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Crazy. They should absolutely be conscripting teens before 60 year olds. Teens fought most of the wars the classical world. I guess teens have mothers who wouldn't stand for it and would be very politically damaging in the modern world and so they'd rather take old men who will be less effective on the battlefield.
/r/MensRights30/06/25 09:26 PM
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This dude is old as fuck. I didn't know things had gotten that bad. They're snatching 45 year old men off the streets? I get it if you're like a healthy 23 year old young buck. But this guy should be too old for conscription.
/r/MensRights30/06/25 07:15 PM
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Don’t know what you’re talking about. These events are almost all women. Men don’t attend unless it’s some college thing. If it’s for non-student adults, it’s always all women because it’s a bad deal for guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:46 PM
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Facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 08:08 PM
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Men don’t want any single woman. Men don’t want to be monogamous. Male sexual desire is can best be described as polygamy. Men want to have as much sex as possible, as often as possible, with a wide variety of different women. Men are polygamous and women are hypergamous. That’s why the saying goes “the best pussy is new pussy.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 10:35 PM
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This is ordinary hypergamy. And of course it doesn't apply to men. Men are not hypergamous. If you're a very smart woman, you'll looking for an even smarter man. This is difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 01:47 PM
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TRP is not about “getting” women. She’s not yours. It’s just your turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 12:17 PM
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Bro. Don’t even bother engaging with these low T weirdos. Every time I read something bizarre from someone claiming to be a man, I just remind myself that this is Reddit and not real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 10:06 AM
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But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but. . . Biden has been telling me for months that Ukraine was winning the war and they just needed a few more hundred billion dollars of taxpayers money to finish the job. Was that not true? Why would Biden do that? Just stand at the podium and tell lies about a country where his son made millions of dollars serving on the board of a gas company where he didn’t even speak the language?
/r/MensRights10/03/24 12:24 PM
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In the event it is her duty. In some relationships, sex isn't part of the deal. But I wouldn't get into some long term relationship or marriage in which sex was left up to random chance. Just as paying bills isn't left up to random chance. Ideally, you wouldn't be married to a woman who refuses to have sex because "she doesn't feel like it". That's not really a reason unless this is the end of the marriage or she's physically ill and literally cannot do it. There are tons of things that men don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 04:15 AM
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Sort of. She would need to understand ahead of time that this was her duty and she would need to consent. Assuming I have consent, then I'm fine. She doesn't have to enjoy it. Just as there are plenty of duties that I carry out that I do not enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 02:29 AM
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I think this is true. But sex is a duty in a marriage. I don't feel like taking out the trash. I don't feel like paying the mortgage. There are a lot of things men do that they don't feel like doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 11:10 PM
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Also, take this pamphlet full of feminist propaganda and educate yourself. It's your personality that women find repulsive, and not the fact that you're smaller than their twelve year old brother. Be confident and make friends with girls first. Do you support the Current Things? Do you plan to vote Biden in November? Celebrating a woman's right to choose will get you far further with the ladies than being taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 01:12 PM
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Depends on what height we're talking. I've never seen a man shorter than 5'5" "do well" with women. But yes, I've seen 5'7" guys do great if they have a lot of other things going for them. Sometimes a genuinely short guy can end up in a LTR or married, but that's not evidence he "did well" with women imho.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 01:01 PM
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Those are the worst. Also, “my brother is short and he has no problems dating”. So much missing information and subjective biased perception going on. How short is he? How often does he get into intimate relationships with women? Is he currently in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 12:40 PM
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Thank you for being honest and not gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 10:14 AM
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But it’s not true. Women are hypergamous and so you’ll focus on anything you lack and think that’s all women care about. If you lack money, all women care about is money. If you lack height, all women care about is height. If you’re neurodivergent, all women care about is ‘game’ or ‘rizz’.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 12:50 PM
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With the current marriage laws? This is what I'm saying. The laws will change to be much more friendly to polygamy because women will demand it. Women would rather share an alpha than to have a faithful beta all to herself. The laws will change to make having multiple wives much less risky for the types of men who can attract multiple wives. Meanwhile, the financial burden of society will fall primarily on the shoulders of the men who cannot support a harem.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 08:45 PM
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This was only true in the distance past before TV, video games, and modern copes. Back during the classical period, it was extremely dangerous for a society to contain disconnected and disenfranchised young men who weren’t getting laid. Even the Romans knew that this was a recipe for disaster and social unrest. They solved this by sending those men out of country to fight. But this is no longer the case because modern technology makes it more likely for young men to retreat inward than to hit th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 01:15 PM
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Promiscuous women and single mothers don't get penalized in any way whatsoever and can easily find a man at any age, 🧢
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 01:09 PM
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Left over men won’t be having sex or donating sperm. Women are still hypergamous. That’s not changing. What’s more likely is that we will see the social and legal acceptance of polygamy. You’ll have high status men with 5 to 7 wives and most men will remain single for life in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 01:08 PM
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Clearly there are exceptions which prove the rule. I also clearly wasn’t saying that every single man on earth isn’t so deeply religious that he won’t engage in sex before marriage. But these men are ridiculously rare. And of those rare men, how many are attractive. Very few, I’d assume. You cite Tim Tebow like that’s normal. It’s not. For every Tim Tebow in the NFL, how many NFL dudes do you think engage in casual sex? I’d say 100 to 1. If anything, your examples prove my case. Plus, it doesn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 04:05 PM
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Both of my last 2 boyfriends who I consider quite attractive men, had low body counts and weren’t hooking up or having sex outside of relationships. 1) how could you possibly know they were telling the truth? 2) if that is true, then they were not that attractive and they probably were not even in the top 20% of male SMV. Plenty of men are the same way. We’re not thinking, “hmm, what is the absolute highest number of people I am capable of having sex with?” I'm sorry. You are so off the mark. Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 01:24 PM
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Why are you acting like participating in hook up culture is a privilege or something good? Because it's a difficult and rare thing for a man to participate in hook-up culture. Any woman can participate but only the top 20% of men can participate because women are hypergamous. It's considered something good for men because having sex is pleasurable. Being sexually desired by women is pleasurable and life affirming for men. Just because you weren’t able to doesn’t mean you missed out on something …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 08:33 PM
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I was never part of the top 20% of men who could readily participate in hook-up culture. I had to get dates by offering relationships and stability. But I was friends with a few of the guys who did participate in hook-up culture and some of them do get jaded after a while. The guys who seem to respect women the least are the guys who get a lot of sex from women. I don't think they get more sex because they respect women less. I think it works the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 08:04 PM
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Roosh v is a good example of this, went from writing bang guides on how to have sex with women in different countries to denouncing that lifestyle and converting orthodox Christianity. Andrew Tate and Sneako are another example of this phenomenon as well. This is pretty common for guys who unlock the secrets of female desire and partake for an extended period of time. A lot of them convert to a traditionalist mindset after they experience the degeneracy of the true nature of female base desires.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 06:34 PM
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Any guy can get a woman to “pretend” to like him, but again, that’s empty and meaningless. Correction. Any guy with money can get a woman to "pretend". And the amount of money that you need keeps going up and up every decade. The rest of guys can't even get a woman to pretend.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 12:55 AM
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There is no description here about your looks. How tall are you OP? And what is an honest self-evaluation of your looks on a scale from 1 to 10?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 07:10 PM
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I don’t think so. Most men don’t even like makeup. It’s biological. Men are programmed to want to fuck about 80% of the women they see. But women are hypergamous and they are programmed to only be attracted to the top 20% of men. In the past, this wasn’t a problem because women had more important priorities than sexual arousal and so marriages and monogamous partnerships still formed. But in modern metropolitan and techno-socialist societies, women don’t need men as much to fulfill any of their …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 01:40 PM
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I didn’t know that was up for debate. Tinder and OKCupid research says that social media has made women focus exclusively on the top 20% of men in terms of how other women rate attractiveness. Because of this, men broadly are having way less sex. But women are NOT having less sex. This means more and more women are sharing a smaller and smaller share of very sexually experienced men. That’s not women “being more selective”.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 05:10 AM
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They're not more selective. They’re looser than ever, but they are just fucking a narrower cohort of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:57 AM
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You're not a Chad. Plenty of men who have a lot of sex do so when they're bored. Not every dude wants to go on an adventure and slay a dragon to get laid. If you're good looking enough, you can pick up a fat chick on a slow Tuesday without a lot of trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 08:29 PM
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Some guys may like fat women. You don't have to like a girl to fuck her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 08:28 PM
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but I knew that he would only want to fuck me if I were thin. False. Chad will fuck a fat woman. He just won’t become her boyfriend or anything serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 12:44 PM
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He never should have even hit on her on the first place when she was busy doing something. She was just sitting by herself. He didn’t know she was doing anything until she said she was on Live. That’s when he apologized and politely left. And she even explicitly said that she didn’t mean that he could sit next to her. Actually no. She said that she didn’t say he could sit. He asks “may I?” And she hems and hahs, and finally tells him she’s talking to her friends on Live. He apologizes and polite…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 02:12 AM
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But for normal people You think this woman was normal? She look like she was going to have a panic attack because a stranger spoke to her. But that’s just it. It’s completely subjective. For some women (though vanishingly few), it wouldn’t bother them to have sn unattractive man hit on them. They’d just say “flattered, but no thanks”. But for other women, seeing an unattractive dude sitting quietly on a bench within eyesight is enough to make them very uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 10:24 PM
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Seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 10:18 PM
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Comfort is a subjective feeling. It isn’t his responsibility to control her subjective feeling. His burden is simply to be respectful. I think he accomplished this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 08:48 PM
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We appreciate that which is rare and excellent. That’s why we appreciate the male who has access to many female sex partners. Doing so is rare and takes substantial skills and (traditionally) a substantial production of value for his community.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 08:12 PM
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but times have changed. But they haven’t. These are innate rules of attraction that have evolved over hundreds of thousands of years. They don’t change over mere decades. They changed over tens of thousands of years. You still haven’t answered my question, do you think that prioritizing sleeping around with loads of women for men to be a good end goal? It doesn’t matter what I think. There’s nothing to be done. It’s core to our evolutionary mating strategies. It’s like you’re asking “do you thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 08:10 PM
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Depends on the guy. An unattractive guy is going to make women uncomfortable anytime he approaches. If he’s unattractive enough, he’s going to make some women uncomfortable by standing in the same room with them. “Making people comfortable” during all social interactions is a pretty high and unreasonable bar because it’s subjective to the person you’re speaking to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 08:06 PM
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That’s right. Below average looking. I’m not talking about her character.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 08:02 PM
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I watched the video and disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:59 PM
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And he’s not an airline stewardess. It’s not his job to make sure everyone is comfortable all of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:59 PM
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It’s a biological construct, not a social construct. It doesn’t matter how we feel about it. You’d have to change the nature of men and women to change the fact that male promiscuity is prized by men and women alike and female promiscuity is discouraged by men and women. Because men are polygamous, it benefits society that promiscuous women be shamed. It’s good for the man who is giving a woman resources and it’s good for other women who want to secure the resources of their men without fear of …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:43 PM
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Because it’s extremely difficult for men to sleep around. He (traditionally) had to provide a lot of value to society to reach the status where he could “sleep around”. It’s hypergamy (quality over quantity) - the mating strategy which is innate and natural to women. Meanwhile, women don’t have to do anything special to sleep around. A woman who is an ugly bum can sleep with a different man every hour if she wanted. It’s polygamy (quantity over quality) - the mating strategy which is innate and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:37 PM
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No doubt. I think women now-a-days don’t want anyone to approach them who isn’t ideal. Unfortunately, those men are like 5% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:30 PM
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He continues to attempt to flirt. I don’t think it was obvious she wanted him to leave because she was acting like an ultra shy anime character. Dude probably thought this was “part of the dance” because she wasn’t just like “no, leave me alone”.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:28 PM
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I doubt it. Also, she’s an adult and he might have been 24. They gave it a range of 25 to 30 to make it seem more scandalous. Meanwhile, she’s 19. An adult in every state. We need to stop celebrating fragile women. You’ll only get more awkward, frightened, fragile women who see themselves as victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:24 PM
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"I didn't say you could sit there." Doesn't that indicate that she didn't want him to sit there? No. It indicates surprise at the misunderstanding. The guy then decided to press forward respectfully. The worse you could say about this whole thing is that this guy obviously is practicing “pick up” and saw a below average looking shy girl sitting alone and he thought she would be easy pickings. I’m sure he didn’t think he would be shot down so quickly. I think that made him more bold than if he ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:11 PM
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True. So glad Live Streams didn’t exist when I was a college Freshman. Oof.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:07 PM
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You’re basically saying “don’t approach people”. Every cold approach of a stranger in public involves initial discomfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:04 PM
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He’s agreeing with you. “W” means “Win” (as opposed to “L” for “Loss”). It’s Gen Z internet speak for “I agree with you”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 03:00 AM
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Maybe. But I wouldn’t intervene for a random woman who I’m not with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 10:30 AM
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Buy the time Police arrive, it’s usually too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 10:19 AM
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It’s more than that. Men don’t want to be with hot women that a bunch of other men have fucked, but women want to be with men who have fucked a lot of other women. Also, men are attracted to a much broader range of women while women tend to fixate on one top male of a group.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 11:08 AM
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Apparently as many as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 05:08 AM
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You: “Hey everyone, I like short men myself.” Me: “oh yeah? How tall is your boyfriend?” You: “Well actually, it. Just. So. happens. . . I’m a 44 y/o bisexual who married a woman”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 04:51 AM
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44F Bisexual currently married to a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 11:09 PM
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Many men, consciously or not, prefer women who are promiscuous or who have qualities that correlate with promiscuity. Ooof. I was with you until this part.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 03:51 PM
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It's not? Damn I thought it was. You literally said that you can’t afford a house because we don’t have enough socialism. It’s not any of our responsibility to buy you housing. That’s your responsibility. That has nothing to do with the housing crisis. That is literally the reason for the “housing crisis”. Supply and demand. If you want lower housing prices, then increase supply. But you can’t do this if government is making it hard for builders to build housing. He wouldn't be interested. But t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 08:08 AM
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It’s not my job to buy you a house. Vote for politicians who don’t flood the economy with government money if you want to lower inflation so you can afford a house. Or vote for local politicians who will loosen zoning regulations in your city so the developers will build more housing. None of this has to do with having children. In fact. Find a man with a good career who can help you buy a family home.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:59 AM
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You're right that more socialism will mean even less children and not more; but I think your reasoning is wrong. It turns out that hypergamy has no floor and women naturally are only attracted to about the top 20% of men. This wasn't a problem historically because women had to trade attraction for provisioning because women couldn't work and even when they could work, you needed two incomes to survive. Now women can work and technology has made it such that we can survive with barely any money a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:23 AM
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No. That's false. We know it's false because people had more kids when they had a lower standard of living and poor countries have far more kids than rich countries. If anything, it's because we have too many things and too much socialism.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:19 AM
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Turns out that even associations or publishers dominated by women aren't immune to discrimination. Accusations of racism are rife. While fantasy and science fiction authors are wrestling with diversity and publishers try to make it easier for minority groups to also have their books published, romance don't get the same treatment. Support for women of color or frankly poor Caucasian women are non existent. I’m a racial minority but what does this have to do with the price of tea in China? The po…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 07:54 AM
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It's Trotsky in the streets, but J.P. Morgan in the sheets.
/r/AllPillDebate30/08/23 10:18 PM
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I'm confused. They guy was having sex with you and then stopped talking to you when you got engaged?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 09:52 PM
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The fuck zone can happen to women who are in happy monogamous relationships I'd submit that no...no it can't. If a man is fucking you and not giving you attention, he's not really in a relationship with you. You think you're in a relationship, but you're not. There is another woman and I can almost guarantee that he's not "monogamous".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 07:57 PM
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I disagree that your interpretation is worse than mine. If you are messing with a fuck boy who doesn't even like you, you are getting good sex but you are wasting your time and female options dwindle as you age. Youth is way more important for women than it is for men when it comes to finding a partner and starting a family. Being in the "fuck zone" steals your time, just like being in the "friend zone" steals the time of the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 07:34 PM
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No. It’s a guy (who is usually far more attractive than the woman) who only has sex with her but doesn’t claim her as a girlfriend and she’s never met any of his friends or family. He doesn’t spend any time around her unless it’s time for sex. Some women delude themselves and call this “a situationship”, but really he’s just using her body and she’s reliable backup option number 3 on a slow Tuesday.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 11:21 AM
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I agree with that. But that further proves my point that “the male-taller-norm” is a product of female hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 10:43 AM
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Women aren’t choosing men who are taller than them. They are choosing men who are taller than other men. This is hypergamy. Also, men are taller than women in the first place because women are hypergamous. It’s the ultimate evolutionary evidence of hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 11:15 AM
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No. You’re wrong. The reason men are “naturally taller and stronger than women” is due to hypergamy. Hypergamy is natural to women because they carry offspring. Men evolved to be taller because of hypergamy. And yes, the female tendency to be aroused by men who are taller than other men is the prime example of hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 11:10 AM
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You call the American People “sheep” by citing a time in which they rose up against the government?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 11:07 AM
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The major concern is another: the ongoing heatwaves. Oh right. I forgot that much of Europe doesn't have air conditioning. I live in the Southern United States and extreme heat is the norm for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 01:59 PM
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I might be naive, but I don’t think the American People will fall for that again. Our culture and our economy cannot handle another lockdown. I’m not even sure if you’ll see many masks this fall/winter. But I can’t speak for Europe and Australia and Canada. I could see it happening there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 12:01 PM
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"Don't lie to me because that makes you a bad person" is actually deceiving the listeners for the real intentions and motivations of the person. Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 04:04 PM
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True. But Feminism (and Marxism) has been eroding those institutions and customs which restricted the natural tendencies of women. The only way to diminish the power of hypergamy is to reinstate "culturally enforced monogamy", "slut shamming", and "traditional sexual education" in schools which warns girls about their biological clock and finding a husband before their options dwindle. Society is moving in the opposite direction. Destroying these traditional cultural norms even faster so that hy…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 04:02 PM
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As I've said, lying by a great magnitude is tactically unwise. But I don't think it's "wrong" in any moral sense. Maybe this is a distinction without a difference, but I don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 10:15 PM
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Why would a relationship form if you’re obviously lying? Happens every day, my friend. Why would anyone want to be in an immoral rather than moral relationship? It's an amoral issue. That's my argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 09:57 PM
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Well, I mean it's a tactical issue and not a moral issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 09:56 PM
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It is perhaps morally wrong only in the sense that one has wasted another person's time by lying. I don't even think this is true because chemistry is felt in person and not over a screen. You can't KNOW that you're about to waste someone's time because you lied and claimed to be 28 years old when you're really 30. Maybe the person will find out and throw-up all over themselves, but you can't be sure of that, and you couldn't have foreseen that you're "wasting their time" by showing up on the da…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 09:52 PM
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Good point. All of these apps are designed to make money, not help you find a partner or a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 09:49 PM
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Why take the control out of someone’s hands for your benefit? There's no control here. Both parties are taking a risk. It's buyer beware. Yes, if a woman said that she didn't have kids and then I found out that she did have kids, that might be a dealbreaker for me. FOR ME. But that doesn't mean that she won't meet some other guy who will be okay with the lie. She's not a bad person for trying to increase her reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 09:43 PM
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Anyone lying online to meet someone in person (online profiles in this case) is called out for misinformation because why do that unless you’re trying to hide something? If you have nothing to hide then why do it? If the whole point of the profiles is to find a partner, you’re starting it off with a lie? That's easy. Most OLD platforms allow you to filter people out based on this and that variable. So, if you're 30 years old and you put down that you're 28, then maybe you get a chance for a few …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 09:23 PM
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Exactly. Like I said, it's a tactical decision and not a moral one. You're not saying that the lie is wrong. You're saying that it won't be effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 09:19 PM
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Many don't want to. That's why it's a tactical matter and not a moral matter. My post is about before a relationship is formed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 09:15 PM
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Totally agree. These are all tactical concerns.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 07:54 PM
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There are duties that arise once a mutual relationship has been formed. But there are no duties to strangers that haven't even met. You have no duty to strangers to put X, Y, or Z on your profile so you don't "waste their time". That's not a thing and you don't owe strangers information which puts you at a disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 05:52 PM
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Let me be clear. There are certainly duties between people in a relationship. I'm talking about OLD before you have even met the person. I don't think you owe any duties to someone whom you haven't even met. So I don't think it's morally wrong to lie on your profile. It may be stupid, but it's not wrong. It's a matter of tactics. And yes, after you meet and you form a mutual relationship, duties and morality then apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 05:51 PM
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No. I'm saying that no one owes intimacy to anyone else. As there is no duty, there can be no moral obligations. There is no moral duty to eliminate oneself from consideration. Now, duties may arise and morality may come into play once a relationship has formed. But there are no duties between strangers who are first meeting beyond that of autonomy and consent. You don't owe each other anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 05:32 PM
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I don't think we have any social duties in dating except to respect the autonomy and consent of the other party. There is certainly no moral obligation to rule yourself out of consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 05:29 PM
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learly I triggered you by tagging you in my post. Actually no. I was trying to be funny with that first line but I doesn't come across in text.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 05:25 PM
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All of your choices have moral consequences whether you like it or not. Surely not. Choices that involve only yourself do not carry moral weight, certainly. In fact, I would argue that the foundation of morality is duty. If there isn't a duty to others, then there can not be a moral obligation. There are no duties involved with intimacy because intimacy relies on individual autonomy and consent. There are is no duty to engage in intimacy with anyone and therefore morality doesn't attack. It's on…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 05:23 PM
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That's interesting. That's exactly the reason why I think that it's an amoral endeavor. Morality comes from social duty. There is no social duties in intimacy. No one owes anyone any intimacy. Therefore, I think that dating (the the thing that leads to intimacy) is also amoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 05:20 PM
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But since "OLD" actually has the word "dating" in it, then I disagree that morality should not play a part in it. That's exactly the reason why I think that it's an amoral endeavor. Morality comes from social duty. There is no social duties in intimacy. No one owes anyone any intimacy. Therefore, I think that dating (the the thing that leads to intimacy) is also amoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 05:19 PM
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Of course. But that's a tactical result. Both sides can lie and both sides can decide if those lies are deal breakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 05:17 PM
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It's a callback to this
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 04:32 PM
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You’re saying he should lie cuz if he wastes her time that’s a happy bonus? That’s fucking ridiculous and sociopathic. You have no right to unilaterally decide what she cares about isn’t important. That’s for her to decide. No. That's for them both to decide. It's a two way street. There are more considerations than just the woman in these interactions. But, I did pause when I typed that because I knew you'd get caught up on it and ignore the rest of the substantive point. I meant that some guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 11:28 AM
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The problem is if she doesn’t want to date someone who’s 5’whatever, he’s wasting both of their times AND he’s lying. That’s not a problem at all. It gives the man a choice to meet a woman in person and persuade her out of her preconceptions. Because height is a prerequisite, the man loses nothing by lying because he would have been rejected outright if he were honest. And, if she would have been okay with the height, she probably won’t even notice the lie. Furthermore, if she would have rejecte…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 01:23 AM
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If feminism encouraged women to take on that responsibility, would not hypergamy diminish? I don’t think so. I think hypergamy is innate to women. . . It’s biological and cannot be changed. Feminism is destructive because it tries to fight female nature in the same way its older brother (Marxism) tries to fight human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 01:14 AM
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How about you only have one kid? Who is going to refuse to get married because they feel that they can’t afford 4 kids? That’s not a thing. That doesn’t explain why women aren’t getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 01:09 AM
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I think that's oversimplify the situation. It's not that educated women MUST have lower birth rates, it's just the the two are correlated. Correlation does not imply causation and all that. Here, there is clearly a causal relationship. Women are hypergamous, and so when they are more educated, they are only attracted to men who are even more educated. . . when they have increased social status, they are only attracted to men with an even higher social status. . . when they make higher incomes, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 06:04 PM
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I find it absolutely fascinating that the human race crumbles when women are more educated. This whole house of cards was built upon basically forcing women to depend on a man. That’s crazy. That's because the people who built society were realists who understood hypergamy. Now we have hidden hypergamy under a thin veil of lies and so we are surprised when women gain more social power and suddenly feel that no man is good enough for them to marry. Then yes, society falls apart. But this trend wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 06:00 PM
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Where in the world did you read a claim that women just walk around demanded men’s height? Most women ask in OLD. But in real life, I don’t experience that because I’m not a tall guy who tries to flirt by bringing up my height. As a short guy, I’m not going to volunteer my height unless I’m asked. That’s why I thought it weird that you had experience with men lying about their height when you’re not using OLD. I didn’t figure that tall men would be approaching tall women (probably low hanging fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 01:01 PM
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I never used OLD and don’t plan to. But I do have a ton of experience with men lying about their height. It’s foolish. Wait a second. If you don’t use OLD, then why do you have experience with men lying about their height? If a guy is standing right in front of you, why would you ask for his height? You can see how tall he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 12:30 PM
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This is OP’s point. Women say that they would leave a date if a man shows up shorter than he claimed because he’s a liar and liars make bad partners. But in truth, they would leave because if the height and not the lie. This scenario proves it because women wouldn’t care about the lie if the lie went in the other direction…so the issue is height, not lying. This suggests that men should always lie about their height in OLD because at least it gives them a fighting chance and if she leaves, he ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 12:28 PM
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I don't see how this is even an issue. There are gives and takes in any relationship. If you value sex more than companionship and your partner isn't giving you sex, then you'll need to get sex somewhere else or leave the relationship. If you value companionship more than sex and your partner isn't giving you companionship, then you'll need to get companionship somewhere else or leave the relationship. It's not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 08:36 PM
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It’s funny cause you can hate women and they’ll start liking you more if you play it right if you’re tall enough. FIFY
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:41 AM
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Meh. I disagree. I think it’s women who are open and men who are dishonest. As women are the gatekeepers of sex and now sex comes before relationships, attractive men have the power and they reject women covertly while women reject men overtly. A women is very honest with what she wants (“6’0” or taller only”). Meanwhile a man will keep quiet about his demands (“a submissive feminine woman”) and just use the woman for sex but never give her a relationship or any commitment. A man will approach a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:38 AM
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You’re literally stripping women of agency. You just said that handsome evil men will have more sexual success than shy nice guys because women are manipulated by the “strong arm” tactics of narcissistic handsome men who understand power dynamics. You made it about the men instead of the women voluntarily fucking these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:17 AM
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Wait. I wasn’t aware that we would be speaking facts on Reddit today.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:10 AM
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While three quarters of those who use their service identify as female, around four in ten female texters had suicide as an issue. This is probably a big part of the answer. They are counting anyone who “identifies” as a woman in their statistics (I.e., not a woman). Trans people have an astronomically higher suicide rate, and so including them during this transgenderism epidemic is going to skew the results. There may be no increase at all among natural born women.
/r/MensRights06/06/23 12:23 PM
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That’s not true. It takes two to have sex, but women are the gatekeepers. The traditional checks on hypergamy were eroded by feminism and the advent of “the pill” in the 1960’s. Women no longer need to regulate the behavior of men through sex and so now they only pick the top 20% of men and that’s what has caused hookup culture. The intense competition for the top males has ironically forced women to play by the male rules for sex instead of the old female rules. The top men don’t have to give a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 12:20 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 03:47 AM
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I find that hard to believe. Even men with high n-counts tend to want women with low n-counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 03:45 AM
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Based and humble.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 03:43 AM
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I don't see anything wrong with this. But as some have pointed out, they're not friends. She is a prostitute and he is paying her in rent and chores. This sort of thing is dangerous on many levels though. One false accusation could easily send him to jail. Also, she could stop at any time and it would be very hard to have her evicted (because the contract is illegal and she would have domicile rights). In some states, it would take years and she would be bringing other guys into the house to fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 08:28 PM
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Height helps both men and women Bullshit. Height does not help women reproduce. Not at all. If anything, it's a hinderance (though not much). Short women have more babies than tall women even today. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22410858/ study showing short women are more reproductively successful. Also, tall men are more likely to give birth to boys (for whatever reason). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15935175/ The piece of information you are missing is the generalized Trivers-Willard hyp…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 08:23 PM
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There are tons of phenotypical traits that are inherited based on sex. What makes you think that height isn’t one of those things? Do you think that men happen to be taller than women based on pure coincidence? Or do you think it was a product of natural evolution and inheritance? It’s simple. If there is a trait that helps a sex reproduce, that characteristic will amplify within that sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 11:24 AM
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women reproducing with taller men wouldn't create sexual dimorphism with respect to height, as the couple would be as likely to have tall sons as tall daughters. That's not true because tall boys would be reproductively successful, short boys would not and girls of any height would be successful. This would produce taller and taller men relative to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 09:37 PM
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They certainly don't unanimously say women care about height more than any other factor, or that polygamy, protection or provisioning have anything to do with height preferences. Every study I've seen on this subject (which tries to give an explanation) site evolutionary reasons. What else could it be? It must be a result of our distance past because this strong preference (or requirement) is seen across cultures all over the world. There was another study showing that taller men have greater st…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 01:56 PM
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She even came back with the "it just so happens" meme in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 12:54 PM
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The studies on this are quite varied! No they’re not. They all say the same thing. Men don’t care about female height because we’re “polygamous” and seek replication value from multiple women. Women care about height more than any other factor because they’re “hypergamous” and seek protection and provisioning from the best man they can attract. The best example of this was from a study that asked men and women what their ideal height for a partner would be. What were the results? For men, they s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 11:07 AM
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This is a fake quote and damn near 150 people replied like it’s a thing. The real quote is that “there are more attractive women than high value men”. This is a fact. Beauty in women is common. But the things that make men attractive are very rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 10:01 AM
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The RP message is a lot more concrete, giving you a more definite idea: "Follow my program and you'll be drowning in pussy!" This isn’t the RP. This is the message of the PUA community, but that isn’t exactly RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 03:11 AM
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True. A bunch of NPCs believed in the Russian Collusion Hoax for years. Some people STILL believe it even after the Justice Department has admitted it was just a lie. I don’t think CNN has apologized yet, even though WaPo, the NYT, and the WSJ all have finally admitted the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 12:34 PM
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I mean, she figured out that you were using her for sex. It’s no different than a guy snapping when he realizes that his female “friend” has been using him for free food and as an emotional tampon. Just because you sometimes invited her on platonic outings doesn’t mean that you weren’t using her for sex. I don’t even blame you. It’s basically what the RP teaches us to do. But why are you mad she reacted this way? It seems like you let your emotions get into the situation and you actually valued …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 01:12 PM
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The answer to almost any question about women on this subreddit is: “hypergamy”. A virgin man implies that he sits low on the social dominance hierarchy. This turns women off because they cannot partner with a man who is “below” her or the types of men she normally dates (in her mind).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 12:46 PM
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It should be called the “conventional wisdom bot”. This rote response isn’t insightful and it’s not correct in terms of male height. It would have been more statistically accurate to reply with a two word answer: “Get rich” or “increase status”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 10:12 AM
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I don't think the claim was ever that young women find old men attractive. It's that many many many more young women find old men attractive than if you swapped the genders. It's a relative thing. Almost no men find old women attractive (except for a rare fetish) but there are a large minority of women who find men 10+ years older to be hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:24 PM
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Historically, love had nothing to do with marriage; much less “true love” like OP is suggesting is key to a good relationship. It’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 09:15 AM
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Women don’t choose to be hypergamous. They’re simply hypergamous by nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 02:38 AM
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This is the correct answer. But it only will work with male relatives who have no interest in fucking you. Don’t ask your male “friends”.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:51 AM
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Guess that makes me a chump for being what I keep hearing we're supposed to be. Yes. That 100% makes you a chump. But it’s not your fault. It’s the culture. We live in a gynocentric culture that incentivizes men to act in ways that decrease their potential to be arousing to women. Swallow the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:49 AM
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and women have on average approximately 4-5 partners over her lifetime Where are you getting this number? A survey from 1920? Most men would be ecstatic to find a woman in 2022 with only 4 or 5 bodies to her name.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:39 AM
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Most good looking men continue to fuck other women even after they "find the perfect girl". Men are only as faithful as their options. We are not hypergamous. We fuck up down and sideways on the attractiveness scale. It's women who are hypergamous (only desiring those above them) while men are polygamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 08:18 PM
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They are getting the dates, they could get through that sex door on most of these dates if they were motivated enough for it. I totally disagree. Most women accept dates with men who they're not sexually attracted to. It's super common. In fact, I bet most normal women do not go on first dates with men expecting to fuck them at the end of the date. Just going on a date (if you're a man) means almost nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 07:47 PM
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have you not seen men date women out of their league. What does that mean? A man who is able to fuck out of his league still wants to fuck other women too. Men are polygamous and not hypergamous. A man with the best looking woman in the world (a perfect 10) will still fuck other women if he is able (4s, 5s, 6s, 7s, 8s, and 9s). Meanwhile, if a woman has a man who is a 10, she will not want to fuck other men...and certainly not men who are less than 10s. That is the difference between hypergamy a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 07:22 PM
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That's fair enough, but I bet those men were just nervous or have been taught to be gentlemen beta, which isn't advantageous in today's dating market. But it's much easier for a guy to get a date than it is to get laid. A guy who is a 6 can go on a date with a female 7. But it will be very hard for him to have sex with that girl without paying for it or doing something transactional. Same in reverse. It's easy for a female 5 to have sex with a guy who is an 8. But that guy is not going to claim …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 07:14 PM
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Can you give an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 07:07 PM
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our league is what you end up being able to land dates with. False. Our league is who we are able to fuck. A woman's league is who they are able to obtain commitment from. Going on a date with a woman doesn't put you at her league. She could be using you for food, cash, and prizes. You are in her league if she let's you fuck without it being transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 06:08 PM
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Women don't know they're hypergamous, it's comes natural to them. And what's even worse, they assume that men are hypergamous too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 06:05 PM
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Good grief. Pull yourself out of the Matrix. Don't accuse people or listen to those that do without evidence. I'm going to assume that vicious accusations about a man who has never been convicted of anything are false until I hear some evidence otherwise. Not mere hearsay and conjecture.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 10:40 PM
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No. He. Doesn't. Did you watch the video where he debunks all of these obvious lies? Where are the charges for human trafficking? Where are the women claiming they were enslaved or treated poorly? Where is the transcript where he claims that women are property? Did you read the entire context? Stop reading all of these propaganda sites. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPBdfh8gR-c
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 09:27 PM
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You're incorrect. He does no human trafficking. He's never even been charged with anything. He is not a pimp. He started a cam girl site that made him millions. He is not controlling any of them, and has never said that they are property.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 09:17 PM
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That's ridiculous. Plenty of women love rough sex like this. It blows my mind that there are enough incels who think that video is unusual for a man who fucks a lot of women. Edit: Also, if you are going to assault and beat a woman....why take the time to set up a camera on a tripod and start recording? It was clearly a sex thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 09:09 AM
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Hypergamy —-> trading up/trophy wives/starter wife Absolutely not. That’s not what hypergamy means in the RP. Men can be aroused by practically any women and their relative social status is meaningless. Women are only aroused by men whom they perceive as superior to themselves. Men who they perceive as higher in the social dominance hierarchy than they themselves. THIS IS HYPERGAMY. Men are not hypergamous. Men are polygamous. Men can be aroused by a woman who is a doctor or a fast food worker. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 11:09 AM
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Totally disagree. There are some RP men who temporarily hate women because they are in the “RP rage” phase, but the philosophy itself gives no option on the moral status of women. RP just explains how intersexual dynamics works in real life. RP rage comes from the cognitive dissonance of believing feminist Blue Pill lies your entire life and suddenly realizing you’ve been lied to by society.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:09 PM
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These surveys are easy to manipulate because they operate on subjective feelings instead of actual objective numbers. GDP, or even GDP per capita is a better measure of relative human welfare than “happiness”.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 10:45 AM
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More and more people risk life and limb to come here to “work themselves to death” to escape the poverty and deprivation of their home countries. They usually even make enough to send some money back to their relatives. This is the problem with socialists and leftists generally. They complain about capitalism but never examine the alternatives. People keep coming to the US for our economic system because the alternative is so much worse. Ask anyone who lived through socialist Cuba or Venezuela o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 10:37 AM
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The lower status, even with 20x the hard work of the rich, will probably remain in lower socioeconomic class. That’s simply not true. Immigrants come to the U.S. with no money and work their way into the middle class in a decade’s time. It happens so often that more and more people around the world risk life and limb to come here. What nazism said in their manifesto, to what they actually practiced are not aligned. That’s also false. This is what they practiced until late in the war when they dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 10:22 AM
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“People being equal” is not anti-capitalism. Did you read the 25 point plan? Here are some highlights from Hitler’s political platform: We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. All citizens of the state shall be equal as regards rights and obligations. The first obligation of every citizen must be to productively work mentally or physically. The activity of individual may not clash with the interests of the whole,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:54 AM
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What instances are those? Also, the Nazis (the National Socialist German Workers' Party) were fascists but they were not capitalists. You should read about Adolf Hitler’s National Socialist Program. It sounds like the Democrat Party platform if Bernie Sanders had won the election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:39 AM
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im speaking to the average person. the 3% who are actually short af plz ignore this post. its not for u. This might be the stupidest post I’ve seen this week. And you should change this to 15% at least…if not the shortest 20%. Women don’t want a man who is shorter than 80% of men. Most women in 2022 want a man who is at least in the top 50% (5’10”) regardless of their own height.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:28 AM
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There is nowhere on Earth in which “unrestricted capitalism” exists. Imho, pure capitalism would be a huge improvement to what we have now where government can put its thumb on the scale to protect the most powerful companies through tax policy, regulations, and legalism. Good example….the $15 min wage was pushed by large and powerful retailers (Amazon, Wal-Mart, Costco, etc.) and their Wall-Street backers as a way to kill small business so they could monopolize the consumer base. And they had a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:23 AM
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He beats women in the context of sex play. Every woman has come out to say that it was part of a BDSM kink. Why the fuck would he otherwise record a sex tape of him slapping up a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:13 AM
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What is your malfunction? Nothing in human history has reduced human suffering and deprivation more than capitalism. You need to learn how economics work and why the free exchange of goods and services has raised the standard of living of every society that adopted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:10 AM
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and feel frustrated toward women who are ripe for the picking Why is redpill always framed in this way? It’s just an examination of the truth when it comes to interpersonal sexual dynamics. It’s not a philosophy about hating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:06 AM
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It's not a cycle though, unless you measure it in hundreds of years. The natural state of humans is one high status man with multiple women. Then, after thousands of years, society introduced organized religion and various norms to force monogamy onto society. Those socially constructed norms have lasted for more than two thousand years, and now these values (which we now consider "conservative") are being eroded through feminism and cultural Marxism. As these institutions continue to fall, we w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:59 AM
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I'm confused. Monogamy and marriage have been statistically falling over the last sixty years at least, and extremely quickly over the last 20 years or so. What makes you think the trend will suddenly just turn around?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:43 AM
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No one deserves anything and violent behavior is part of nature. But still, being stabbed with a knife during a robbery is painful and I don't see any problem with people complaining when violence becomes systemic in their community.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 09:05 PM
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Women therefore should take more accountability in regards to acknowledging this reality and coming back down to earth. There is no incentive for women to do this. Women would rather share an alpha than have a loyal beta to themselves. Therefore, the next step will be the dissolution of monogamy as the norm. Marriage and the Family Unit has basically fallen. Next, there will be a societal norm that takes us back to our evolutionary past (7 to 1 mitochondrial DNA) where the vast majority of men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 06:58 PM
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Wait....back up. There is a difference between a woman above 30 who is your wife and whom you love and just a random woman at the bar. In general, a random 30 year old women is significantly less attractive than a 20 year old one. But there are a LOT of thirsty men out here and so even a 50 year old woman won't have to worry about not finding a man willing to have sex with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 06:47 PM
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This is the most ridiculous comment of the week. Brah. Most women are disgusted by the thought of their man doing anything sexual with another man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 03:45 PM
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Um, it might be happening in Japan now. There are perhaps 500 thousand young Japanese men who are aware of these truths and refuse to leave their parents houses or contribute to society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 11:35 AM
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so my question according to the red pill can women have fun in their youth and later on settle down with a man without the AF/BB ? or do they have to live a life of celibacy even when they have access to a lot of sex ? You're confused because men place women in two different buckets. One is the sex bucket (recreational use only) and the other is the relationship bucket (maybe future wife). A woman with a high body count can be fine for the first bucket but absolutely unacceptable for the second.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 08:27 PM
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You keep crying “eugenics,” but again, nobody is forcing women to get abortions. That's not what the eugenics movement was about. You don't need to force people to do anything in order to eliminate undesirables from the population. All you have to do is make abortions more readily available among certain populations.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 11:00 AM
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Fertility clinics and PP go where they are needed. They're needed for population control. That was the whole purpose of the eugenics movement from which PP was founded. since people have poorer knowledge of contraception nd have more free sex. Whut? Poor people are familiar with condoms. That's bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 12:55 AM
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That would prove its 100% culture. I don't think even OP was saying that it's 100% culture. Not even 100% of strawberries are red. Not even 100% of rooms have four walls and a ceiling. Not even 100% of swans are white. But certainly it's way more culture than it is "systemic poverty". Probably something like 99 to 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 10:39 PM
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https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-608r You tell me. We reviewed expenditures of federal funds reported by 39 Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) affiliates. PPFA affiliates, which operate over 600 centers across the U.S., receive federal funding to provide health-related services to patients. From 2016-18, the 39 affiliates spent over $270 million in federal funds. The Department of Health and Human Services funded most of these expenditures—about $256 million (or 94% of total fede…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 10:18 PM
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That study from Freakanomics has been challenged and I believe it was even withdrawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 09:57 PM
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You've got to be joking. Something like sixty million black babies have been killed since Sanger founded that institution during the American Eugenics movement for that very purpose. The AA population would be double if not for Planned Parenthood. Also notice that white neighborhoods get fertility clinics while black neighborhoods get PP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 09:55 PM
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I'm all for abortion, the republicans are wrong on this. Wait, what? Abortion is used as contraception now. How can you be RP and for abortion when it's obvious that abortion helps to absolve women of bad choices? There needs to be consequences on women who pick bad sex partners and consequences on men who pick bad relationship partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 09:36 PM
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Bingo. Socialism and Cultural Marxism was the worst thing to ever happen to the black community. We had intact families and "black Wall-Street" in the 20's. Then, after the Welfare State and Planned Parenthood, we have violence and single motherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 09:32 PM
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You're comparing apples and oranges, comparing the US and China. You never answered the statistics of American Asians in New York completely destroying the idea that "systemic poverty" is the cause of violence and anti-social behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 09:30 PM
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Single moms don’t create violent men, systemic poverty does. Disagree. I know this is often quoted idea but I have yet to see any evidence for it. The most criminality seems to exist in rich countries and not poor ones. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "systemic poverty" but if you mean "individuals who come from families who have been poor over multiple generations" then I would agree that such an individual is more likely to turn to criminality than an individual who come from middle class …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 09:24 PM
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I did it, swiped on like 50 girls. Didn’t see 1 height requirement. That's impossible. What app were you using? Also, if it's not directly in a profile, then it's the first question they ask in the chat. Plus, you're pretty much obligated to list your height on Tinder as a man because no woman will swipe on you if you don't. They know you're not taller than average if you leave it off your profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:40 PM
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Because women aren’t hypergamous My God. not leaving their boyfriends/husbands in droves to date a man a few inches taller. In the vast majority of cases, their current boyfriends/husbands already passed the height filter. No one is claiming that women look for the tallest man possible. Just that height is the most important thing most women look for.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:23 PM
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Eh...I guess that's a little difference because it's someone commenting on someone else's relationship. But that's not much different than a woman's friends stigmatizing her for dating a shorter guy. They're either both immoral or neither is immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:18 PM
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My main contention is when dudes who are like 5’7-5’9 complaining about “no women wanting them because they are short.” To me, idk just sounds like a weird deflection. Why is that weird? You just conceded the main point you were arguing about. You're quibbling over the exact point on the male height spectrum at which a man is viewed as subhuman by women....but you are not challenging the overall paradigm that society views taller men as superior to shorter men. Since everyone agrees that the par…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:13 PM
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Good grief lady. Just make the male profile so you can see for yourself. Men are practically designed to lie to you. Don't believe what a man who knows you in real life tells you about the dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:08 PM
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This. The idiots in this thread are quibbling over the point which you are seen as subhuman by women, but everyone agrees with the general paradigm that taller men are widely viewed as superior to shorter men. And because women are hypergamous, this matters tremendously in dating. I don't see how this is even a discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:44 PM
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Hey. Fellow short black guy here. Racism in dating is NOT a thing. Either morality applies to attraction and dating standards or it doesn't. Clearly it doesn't. You can't say that it's wrong not to date black people or Asians or whatever but okay not to date short men or Transwomen or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:40 PM
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What is your reasoning behind the conclusion that he's cheating on me? Just because he's attractive? Do you think attractive people don't fall in love and can't be faithful? Not at all. It's in our biology. Attractive men aren't more prone to want to cheat any more than unattractive men. All men want multiple women. It's just that attractive men have far more opportunities and they can negotiate relationships where they also have sex with other women. Some of these men tell the women upfront and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 02:40 PM
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He doesn't sleep with other women Press 'X' to Doubt ---> 'X'
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 02:20 PM
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If this was the case, no hot extroverted men would be in a relationship, ever. That's not exactly true, but it's becoming more and more true as our social contract further erodes due to the ubiquitous nature of dating apps and feminism (which has fueled "hookup culture"). Most men in the top 10% are hooking up and not entering into serious relationships. And those that do, simply continue to sleep with other women but to give some commitment to a "main" partner. My boyfriend and I started hookin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:45 AM
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Some men do. But the underlying motivation for this is the inability to secure noncommittal sex from multiple women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:00 AM
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They can't stand the idea that some people get to bang hot dudes and then also settle down with a hot and even better dude. That’s not a thing. The guy who you commit to is not as arousing as the guys who you couldn’t lock down. By definition. The fact that he had to give you his commitment suggests that he has a lower SMV than the dudes who wouldn’t give you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:05 PM
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I don’t think men are pursuing an af/bb strategy. Men just try to fuck who they can fuck. Most men are not attractive enough to fuck without commitment and so they trade commitment for sex. This used to be a good trade for men back in the day, but it’s not a great bargain (for men) in the modern world, imho. I don’t think any man wants to give commitment if we don’t have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:03 PM
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Who actually thinks personality is most important? You’d have to be completely blind or low IQ to believe that (and yet some grown men still do). I firmly believe that Feminists myths are the “Santa Claus” for adults. That and “gender theory”. Grown adults walking around believing obvious lies that were created to maintain social cohesion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 12:57 PM
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Um…no. A high risk pregnancy starts at 35. At 30 years old, about 85% of a woman’s eggs are gone. A woman of 40 can only get pregnant with extraordinary medical intervention and even then the child is at high risks for physiological disorders. A natural pregnancy has the best chance prior to 30. It’s possible at 35 but risky. And it’s virtually impossible at 40 except for extreme and expensive scientific intervention.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 02:34 AM
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But the explanation about fertility is far more elemental and basic than simple "women are less horny". "women are less horny" is an observation but it's not an explanation, imho.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 12:32 AM
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It's a lot simpler than that. Women are the selectors of genetic fitness. That's all. They only produce one egg a month and they can only produce eggs until they're like 30 to 35. They have a very limited window. They are programed to be extremely picky. Of course, what was effective in the ancient world can mess them up in the modern world. The extreme pickiness causes a lot of women to wait until most of their bargaining chips are gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 12:17 AM
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Women are also drawn to determined and smart men Eh...not really. If you look at the dual mating strategy for women (yes, men have a dual strategy also), you'll find that women may want relationships with determined and smart male providers, but they want to pass the genes on of large, strong, and violent men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 09:52 PM
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Not necessarily. The traits needed for succeed in the ancient past are not necessarily the traits needed for success in the modern age.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 09:50 PM
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If you had a society with excellent genetics "Excellence" is determined by the environment. Hypergamy was formed in our evolutionary past where size, strength, and propensity for violence were huge advantages and hallmarks of "excellent genes". Society has changed but women still basically selection for size, strength, and propensity for violence. There are probably other traits that will lead to a more fruitful modern society.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:13 PM
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Hypergamy was a great thing for our evolutionary history. That's why it persists so strongly even though it's not really needed anymore in most modern societies. It's not necessarily a bad thing today, but the problem is that our modern social conventions are structured in a way which pretends it doesn't exists. Men and women are encouraged to share the same societal roles even though our evolutionary program is extremely different. Also, hypergamy can be said to be a bad thing today (for all wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:11 PM
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I’ve seen countless attractive girls with average/ugly guys. No you haven't. What a man thinks is ugly about a man is not necessarily what a woman thinks. Also, beauty is common among women. About 80% of women (under a certain age) are naturally attractive enough to persuade any man to sleep with them. So because beauty is common in women, they are looking for something other than "beauty" when it comes to men. What they find hot in men has little to do with what you think is beautiful/average/u…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 11:37 PM
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Filed under “shit we already knew”. In the next study, this crack team of scientists will explore whether men like feminine women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 11:37 AM
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Women's attraction I believe is EXACTLY the same as mens Fucking hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 01:59 PM
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Polygamy does not mean desiring everyone and having no standards In this case, polygamy is the male strategy in opposition to hypergamy; the female strategy. Men have almost no "standards" when it comes to fucking. But men have very high standards when it comes to commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 11:39 PM
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Men don't mind having kids with hoes. Kids can be abandoned. But no man wants to "wife" (commit) to a hoe. Recreational use only.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:08 PM
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Most men aren't social enough to have a casual phase. Bruh. No. Women find 80% of men as "unattractive". You need to at least be in the top 20% of men to even have a shot at having a "casual phase". And even then, being physically attractive is not enough. That's when you need social acumen also.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:06 PM
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Uncle Elon might change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 06:47 PM
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Bingo. It's almost as if Classical Western Society already figured this out thousands of years ago, and Feminism and the advent of birth control replaced millennia of truth with lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/22 11:38 AM
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ITT: Let's figure out a way to make this men's fault. No. It's simple. This phenomena is caused by the invention and rise of social media and online dating, plus the same female hypergamy that has been around for 100s of thousands of years. Social media has given women access to top men from around the world when they traditionally only had access to men in their town. So most men are having much less sex and the top 5% of men are having much much more sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 03:52 AM
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But it is true. Most males are attracted (or at least capable of being attracted) to about 80% of women between like 18 to 30. That number plummets for women who have already hit The Wall, but it's always way higher than female attraction to males.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 11:03 AM
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if hypergamy selected for skinny males with no muscles. That can’t be a thing because being a skinny guy with no muscles doesn’t move you up any social hierarchies. That’s like saying “in this hypothetical, being healthy is bad for you”. do you really think redpillers would continue trying to get jacked even if it meant girls become physically unattracted to them? You’ve moved the goalpost from working out to “getting jacked”. And most people who get jacked are addicted to lifting weight. They w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 11:26 AM
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similarly, you work on yourself FOR YOURSELF so that you can get a gf. No. No. You’re not getting it. I guarantee you, 99% of these redpill guys would stop weightlifting "for themselves" if all women suddenly got turned off by muscular men. No they wouldn’t. And that wouldn’t happen because women are hypergamous. Women are merely a byproduct of moving up social hierarchies.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 10:01 AM
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You said you were exercising because you want to be in a relationship. Instead of exercising for yourself. Also, “employer validation” is fine. It’s “female validation” that is destructive. In general, there is a positive correlation between the work you put into your job and the benefits which result from that. However, there is generally a NEGATIVE correlation between the work you put into impressing women and the benefits that result from that. In other words, the more you put in, the less yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 03:11 AM
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I just did it because I wanted to be in a relationship. This means you're doing it for female validation. Don't exercise because you want to be in a relationship with someone else. Exercise because you want a good relationship with yourself. Do it for you only.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 02:49 AM
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This mostly makes sense. But getting healthy is never “a waste of time”. Your problem is that you did it for female validation. Never do ANYTHING for female validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 10:15 AM
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It’s not who you “can” get. It’s who you DO get. The market price is set after a sale. The Fair Market Value of land (for example) becomes whatever it is sold for on the open market. The same goes for SMV. Also, it’s not the same for men and women. This is because you use the term “get”. “Get” is different for men and women. For men, “get” is have sex. For women “get” is to obtain commitment or a serious relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 11:50 AM
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Looks like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 04:04 AM
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Hypergamy is not evolutionary biology, it's a byproduct of evolutionary biology. I'm sure that was true hundreds of thousands of years ago. But now, it's part of biology. Women are hardwired to be hypergamous like men are hardwired to be polygamous. If resources were abundant and equally available to everyone, women would be less discriminatory in their selection process This is not true. We know it's not true. In fact, women would just have even higher standards if we had even more abundance. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 02:32 AM
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From an early age women grow up watching the little guy get pummeled by bigger guys. Bullies almost never beat up kids their size or bigger. Hard to feel protected by someone shorter than you. It's not social construction. It's evolutionary biology. A blind woman or a woman who was home-schooled her entire life will still prefer a tall man to a short one. It's hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 02:10 PM
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There can be XY females No actually. There can be XX males No actually. Let's stop here. Again, your postmodernist thinking and allegiance to social Marxist narratives are moving you away from truth instead of towards it. Science doesn't care about category shifting sophistry. It doesn't change the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 04:16 PM
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She is being honest and exposing the inner reasoning of women. It's not bad. It's just how mother nature works. Women are hypergamous and so of course they will test their men for strength and stability. In their evolutionary past, being with a weak man could mean certain death.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 04:07 PM
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The fact that humans are not just XX and XY means that we need to dig deeper in terms of what means what. But it is. It's XX and XY. Anything different is simply a genetic anomaly. It's not a new category. A person with Klinefelter syndrome has an XXY chromosome in each cell (they have an extra X chromosome). But that doesn't mean that a new category of human gender/sex exists. It's just a simple genetic abnormality. We don't change all of society because of people with genetic abnormalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 08:44 AM
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Are we talking before puberty. Do you speak English? A woman is an adult human female. Shifting categories using postmodern sophistry is bullshit. It doesn't change the science. It doesn't change anyone's chromosomes. Call adult humans with XX or XY chromosomes whatever you want...it doesn't change the underlying biology. A woman who had a hysterectomy is still a woman just as a person in a coma doesn't stop being a person. The word games merely try to obscure the truth while science should seek…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 07:03 AM
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So biology wise you can research what are the differences between an estrogen-dominant human vs testosterone-dominant human. you just can’t call it women vs men because that definition doesn’t apply anymore Stopped reading here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 04:09 AM
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Absent strong social institutions and/or values, humans women are naturally hypergamous. FIFY
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 01:25 PM
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Agree to disagree. If anything, science which has always been true is no longer able to be explored if it offends the sensibilities of the politically correct. The Universities and Institutions who fund scientific research are not going to allow research into topics where the truth could “harm” newly protected groups or approved narratives. On a similar note, this is why I’m for expanding scientific exploration world wide. There are topics that cannot be researched in the United States (especial…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 01:21 PM
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2012 is very recent when talking about our biology. Our biology hasn’t changed in just 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 05:15 AM
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Bingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 06:10 PM
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I think you mean sugar babies? I think there they have to fake enthusiasm. Yes. I mean sugar babies. That’s the better option for certain types of guys who have more money than they have time or desire to negotiate access to older women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:55 AM
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Guys do try…. But most guys aren’t the shit. They don’t get these girls…. So they end up negotiating with older women who are definitely more picky now and demanding. True. The problem is that a guy with high enough value to get casual sex from an older woman with less value can easily get casual sex from a younger and more valuable woman. This may be an “arrangement” instead of an actual relationship, but that is easier for the guy to negotiate than entering into a relationship for occasional d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 11:39 AM
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And it's even deeper than this. I can prove that my theory is correct because look what happens when single women move into their late 40's and cross into their 50's. It can happen a lot sooner than this depending on the woman, but there is a panic and deep unhappiness when the woman realizes that she has become the poor man. She will wake up one day and not be happy about being single because she will realize that she no longer has the choice to find a man. Or at least her options have shrunk s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 11:59 PM
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It’s because not having something by choice is not the same as not having something against your will. A rich man can live in his car by choice, driving from town to town and camping under the stars while considering that to be the best time in his life. This is because it’s his willful choice and he can always go buy a house if he wanted to. But a very poor man who is forced to live in his car and sleep outside may be completely miserable because he is forced to live that way and he has no opti…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:43 AM
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I guess. But the blue line should be steeper and the pink and the blue line should converge near the end . Close to 100% of men and woman would go for a "10".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:52 AM
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That’s also true, but it’s not the same thing. A man gets hornier more often than a woman. But also he finds a much wider subsection of individuals sexually arousing when compared to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 03:00 PM
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https://www.statista.com/topics/2158/online-dating/#dossierKeyfigures
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 11:18 AM
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You might be part of an older cohort. But your way of doing things certainly produces the best outcomes imho. It’s just that this isn’t common anymore and so instead of fixing the issue, society is adapting by changing the way we think about relationships. And this change is great for the top 10% of men and good for women in the short term. It won’t be until these women creep into their 40’s and older when they realize traditional marriage/relationships were the best in terms of the long-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 10:54 AM
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More than half of women meet the man whom they are currently sharing (knowingly or unknowingly) through OLD. That figure is probably closer to 90% for the younger generation if you include Instagram as part of OLD (which you should). No one meets in person first anymore. Unless you meet at work, which is highly discouraged in modern societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 10:47 AM
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But womens attraction to men is more likely to grow on exposure to their other positive qualities. This is true but irrelevant in the digital age. With Tinder, Instagram, and online dating; women do not need to get to know any men who do not meet their high standards and they can simply share the few men who do. That’s why wealthier societies are quickly trying to pivot away from the traditional family and towards “modern families” and alternative arrangements. Women have the government and do n…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 10:34 AM
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No. The reason is biology. Men are hardwired to find the vast majority of women attractive enough from a physical stand point. Women are hardwired to find only a small sliver of men attractive enough from a physical stand point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 10:21 AM
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100% true.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 07:31 PM
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That's sort of a good point. But we can speak in generalities. In general, men love idealistically and women love conditionally. Men fall in love with the "idea" of a woman. Her feminine virtues and intrinsic qualities that go beyond flesh and blood (either real or imagined). Women fall in love with what a man provides to her (his masculine qualities). When I say "provides", I'm talking about provisioning and protection...not necessarily "money". If a man is no longer able to provide provisionin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 04:12 PM
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Genuine love means that he deeply cares about the woman and her feelings You can't control another person's feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 03:52 PM
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I was fucking all kinds of dudes when they guy I love broke up with me LOL. Wait so are you saying it’s possible for men and not women? I was actually just saying that it's possible for men. I suspect it's not possible for women because of evolutionary biology, but I'm not asserting that. But I am saying that "love" doesn't mean the same thing for both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 03:51 PM
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It is certainly possible for a man to love a woman and still sleep with other women whom he doesn’t love. Men and women do not love the same and so I don’t know what you mean by “genuine love”.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 12:38 PM
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the data do not agree that the population is decreasing. You must be looking at old data. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-12-18/california-population-loss Here is an LA Times article admitting to the shocking population declines, but spinning it in terms leftist will accept. Instead of admitting that California is now a shithole people are fleeing, they cite fewer immigrants (which is strange because immigration from Mexico has exploded under Biden) and pandemic deaths. 😂. Of cours…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 12:34 PM
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Not sure what you're saying. Which part of my post do you disagree with? That California has a negative population growth? That prices are high? That crime is increasing? Which part?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:18 PM
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So women should become sex slaves and servants to men, What the hell? Also, California isn't exactly a hellhole. It's expensive as fuck (supply and demand, you know) That's not why housing, food, and consumer goods in California are expensive. It's not "supply and demand". California has a negative population growth. It's expensive because of government policies you support. "Green policies" cause California energy to be very expensive. Zoning laws pushed by leftists to restrict development (i.e…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 05:43 PM
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Men leave. It is good for society to have children not raised in poverty. There are plenty of available men around so that very few women would need to be single mothers. Single motherhood is a choice that has become socially acceptable because of the government policies you apparently support. You sound like the people who flee California due to government policies which have turned it into a hell hole; just to vote for the same policies in their new state. It sounds like you’re not thinking th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 02:05 PM
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What you're missing is that women are pretty content being alone This is true for a time. But it’s also a social construct that is enable by government policies.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 01:34 PM
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This is the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 01:27 PM
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Isn't this exactly the same for men? No. When it comes to only sex, men have no floor. Men are not selecting for the hottest women. They are selecting for any women who is sexually available to them. It’s women who are selecting for the hottest men. (Hot just being a euphemism for high status).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:27 PM
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Now why wouldn't a guy be pissed that his wife is settling for him and knowing that she'd have defenitely rejected him in her hookup days? RP is not about being angry. Once you fully swallow the RP, these truths will not trouble you or make you angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:25 PM
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http://www.nimbios.org/press/FS_pair-bonding
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 01:34 PM
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You even admit that postmodernism and Marxism are only at odds when we are referring to Marxism as an economic theory which is antithetical to capitalism. This is not the definition of the word when it is used by critics of “wokeism” and other distributive social theories not directly related to economics. Here, the term “social Marxism” and what you’re describing as Marxism are not equivalent. And certainly Social Marxism and Postmodernism go hand-in-hand. Here, you’re parroting the “social con…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 12:59 PM
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https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2021/10/08/the-male-college-crisis-is-not-just-in-enrollment-but-completion/
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 12:43 PM
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A. A very big group of men simply stops working Or B. A very big group of men becomes aware of their worth and refuses to date and marry promiscuous women I think A is happening already with more and more average men foregoing college.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:41 PM
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Bingo. You nailed it. This post modernist Marxist bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:36 PM
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It’s because it’s engrained in our evolutionary history. A promiscuous women meant a lower chance of guaranteed paternity in our ancient past. So men evolved to be naturally disgusted by women with a high N count. You can ignore that feeling to your own detriment. But studies show that women with high N counts have problems pair bonding and are more likely to dissolve their relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:31 PM
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No one respects a single guy in his 40s. That’s ridiculous. A single man in his 40’s is far more respected than a single woman in her 40’s. A single woman in her 40’s is a punchline, unless she’s a widow or something. There are whole subreddits dedicated to mocking them (WAATGM being the premier one).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:27 PM
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Women are the ones who drive the sexual market. Men have to adapt or die alone. Women drive the market for sex, not the market for relationships. Men drive the market for relationships. Women have to adapt or die alone. (And unfortunately for society, it seems that women generally don’t mind a lonely death if they can’t be with a fantasy guy).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:25 PM
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It’s a compelling argument now. If they are experiencing disrespect, it could be that men are disrespectful to women and separately, they are disrespectful to trans people. For instance, are cis men more respectful to trans men than trans women? I doubt it. But what’s probably going on is that men are sometimes respectful and sometimes disrespectful to trans people, women, and other men. But when men are disrespectful to each other, we don’t attribute it to our sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:21 PM
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It’s very rare that a trans person can pass for a cis person. It does happen….but it’s the rare exception. So you can’t take the experiences of transwomen (for example) as the experiences of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 06:36 AM
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Trans people mention this all the time, and I believe them. Men get respect, women get kindness and openness; men are feared, and women get dismissed Who men get respect? Who men are feared? Most men are neither respected or feared. That's what OP is saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:10 AM
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If you can fuck her, you can get a relationship from her. But why would you want too? If it’s easy for you to get laid, you’re going to keep doing that. Unless by “relationship” you mean “another reliable girl in the rotation”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 05:46 AM
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I agree. That’s basically what I was saying. The real flattening of the dating market (which has triggered run-away hypergamy) started in the early 2000’s with the proliferation of social media and online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 10:31 PM
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And it's all due to hypergamy, which I find sad. Hypergamy isn’t sad. It’s probably what made us evolve from our ape-like common ancestor to the planet’s ruling species. The females of the other primate species never developed concealed fertility or hypergamy. And so that’s why we observe them through cages in zoos. The issue arose after the invention of birth control and then 2nd wave feminism in the 1950’s. The proliferation of feminism and its more aggressive and radical variants has acted as…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 12:17 PM
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They needed Billy Beta back then, but it didn't mean they were sexually attracted to him. That’s the definition of beta. Betas can be attractive but not arousing. 80% of the male population is beta. You have to be at least in the top 20% of men to be considered alpha. And just being in the top 20% of looks isn’t enough to be alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 12:00 PM
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There is way more divorcing now than during “the divorce boom”.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 11:57 AM
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A beta just means a guy who is attractive from a long term perspective but not sexually arousing from an immediate perspective. 80% of the male population are betas and they had no problems dating and getting into long term relationships back in the 50’s and later.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 11:55 AM
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Meh, we know that’s not true. The 1950’s was a thing. Before the flattening of the sexual marketplace due to social media, most women could absolutely feel sexual attraction to a Billy Beta who would make for a good father.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 03:56 AM
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This is like asking “why do men willingly sleep with strange women when they have a loving partner at home?” The answer is because it’s a biological imperative. Women have a biological drive to have a baby with the “fittest” man they can find and men have a biological drive to have sex with as many women as possible. Higher order thinking takes a back seat to our based urges.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 03:44 AM
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This is complete bunk. The male drive to sex is biological and has nothing to do with depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 01:28 PM
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That's like saying a man looses a little attraction if he's TOO rich. Well don't worry about that. Just become as rich as you can because only a handful of guys on the planet can become too rich. Just like only a handful of guys on the planet have the genetics to become "too muscular".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 02:42 AM
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No. You can’t change your facial structure, you can’t change your height, and you can’t change the size or shape of your skull. It’s not a play on anything. You literally cannot change your bones. There is no gym for your bones and your bones make up a lot of your attractiveness. For women, their facial shape and for men, their height.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 07:45 PM
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Their option for marriage is limited. But not for sex. They still are having sex with these 20% of men. And they can do so until they are like 35. From 35 to 50, they have to expand to the top 40% of men but their chances of marriage or long-term commitment from a top 20% man falls to zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 03:19 PM
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True. But this will probably become a sociopolitical issue over the next 20 years thanks to social media and other technologies. Just as automation will eventually rapidly increase the wealth gap as companies can easily operate with fewer and fewer employees….the conversion of the sexual marketplace from local to global through Instagram and online platforms will rapidly increase the intimacy gap. It’s not a society level problem when only like 5% of men are single and unable to negotiate sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 03:14 PM
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They’re not cold and bitchy around Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 02:51 PM
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but most unattractive people can do things to make themselves more attractive, but their lack of self-awareness and bitterness often prevents them from making changes. Eh. You sort of lost me on that last part. I think it’s more often not the unattractive person’s fault. I mean, you can control your weight to some degree. But you can’t change your bones.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 02:48 PM
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A lot of Asia. I remember a similar story happening in Korea almost a decade ago where a contestant on a gameshow talked shit about short men. Even the producers of the show were forced to give a public apology and they resigned. In the U.S., they would have gotten a parade.
/r/MensRights17/02/22 11:54 PM
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‘Game’. Though Game and Personality aren’t exactly synonymous, they are similar. The major difference is that personality is seen as innate and game can be taught. Also, personality is seen as gender neutral while game recognizes that a behavior directed at another man can be rude and yet that same behavior directed at women can be arousing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 11:09 AM
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That’s certainly how modern dating works. Back in the day, you would meet people through friends, family, or social events where people with things in common would pair off and you couldn’t treat the woman badly because you’d have repeat interactions with her shared social circle. That’s all gone and so RP strategies are the most successful strategies. And yes, it’s now just a numbers game.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 11:02 AM
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It’s hurtful to guys who have been fed blue pill and feminist lies their entire lives and believed that female nature was something totally different than reality. So when they discover hypergamy, they experience a period of anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:58 AM
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Sure. Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 01:01 PM
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My God. The delusion is scary. ALL men remain sexually attracted to other women after they fall in love. Women don’t have to understand male nature as much as men have to understand female nature (because men have to pursue)….but it’s dangerous for you to be this naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:54 PM
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The fact that you think that he doesn’t shows that you know nothing about how male sexual desire works.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:45 PM
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Yes. That’s like your fiancé saying “so, loving my fiancé even though I maintain intense sexual desire for multiple other women around me is somehow polygamy? Man, you are delusional.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:33 PM
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I agree with this mostly. And yes, a woman's sexual attraction drops significantly when a man doesn't meet her hypergamous standards. However, I would not say it always goes to zero. I disagree slightly with this one part. I think it goes to zero when it comes to arousal. But not for attraction. A woman can be attracted to a man she’s not sexually aroused by and still form a long-term partnership with him. But in order for a man to be arousing to a woman, she has to see him as her superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 05:11 AM
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That’s simply not true. To the extent that a woman would want a male harem (a very rare female desire); the members of that harem would appear remarkably similar. Meanwhile, a female haram for men would look like a very diverse selection of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 05:08 AM
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Do you mean I only fantasize about my female bosses or celebrities or politicians? Sure. That’s one dimension. Here you are talking about social status. You are attracted to women of both higher and lower social status. Your wife is only going to be attracted to men of a higher social status than herself. That’s just one example because the measure of superior/inferior is subjective to the individual. Remember that hypergamy merely requires the individual woman to feel that the man is superior t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 05:06 AM
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Women do not love men whom they feel are beneath them. That’s what hypergamy means. Men have no problem loving women whom they feel are beneath them. Likewise, men can fuck multiple women and still be in love with just one of them. This is a product of polygamy. But women cannot love a man while fucking several different men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:32 AM
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This is classic RP knowledge. I didn’t “make it up”.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 03:28 AM
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If your wife masturbates to the thought of other men, rest assured that she views those men as superior to herself and probably superior to you. That is hypergamy. When you masturbate, you don’t imagine only women who you view as your superior. Also, you probably fantasize about being with other people much more than your wife does.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:39 AM
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Hypergamy is not bad. It just is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:20 AM
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I disagree. I think it’s the opposite. They will take a guy who they don’t quite see as their equal for the long term (but they won’t be aroused by him), but they are not going to engage in casual sex with a guy who isn’t sexy (meaning arousing).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:19 AM
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there are literally groups of mountain dwelling people who practice polyandry. women get multiple husbands. Oh good grief. The self-delusion in this thread amazes me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 01:01 AM
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That’s still hypergamy. You’re looking for an “equal” while a man doesn’t care about the social status of women when it comes to attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:55 AM
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Men are polygamous and so there are many more men who like fat women than their are women who like short men. But even still, just because a man is married to a fat woman doesn’t mean he is attracted to fat women. But, it might be better than nothing for him. Women don’t do “better than nothing” because they are hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:53 AM
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the way women are socialized does cause some of them to be more picky for sexual encounters But we have no reason to think that socialization has anything to do with this. Women produce one precious egg per month. Men produce millions of nearly worthless sperm per day. It’s really that simple. That’s the reason women are hypergamous and men are polygamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:46 AM
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Just because someone has a 5’3” husband doesn’t mean that she prefers short men to tall men. That’s like saying men with fat wives prefer fat women to thin women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:45 PM
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there are definitely women who prefer short men. They’ve done studies on this. When polled, usually about 4% of women say that they would consider dating a shorter man. None prefer shorter than them to taller than them. Sexual desires for men and women are a bell curve. But the female curve is very very narrow and the male curve is very very broad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:43 PM
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🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:37 PM
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This is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:36 PM
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Women don’t need to plan the strategy. The strategy was already planned by Mother Nature. It’s encoded into our genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:35 PM
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yup. women who enjoy lots of men? They don’t. Woman are attracted to a small minority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:34 PM
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How can one ignore that and say "well hypergamy is the female mating strategy" based solely on biology? Because we have a ton of data from online dating and match making services. Plus just census data on married couples. Is hypergamy becoming less of a thing now that women are financially independent and choosing to not have babies, and there are more social safety nets? No. Hypergamy is a biological drive. As women become more successful, they just find fewer and fewer males as attractive. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:33 PM
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There are no counter examples of women who prefer men shorter than them to men taller than them. A woman may take a shorter man if he has other compensating qualities though. It’s more than a generalization. If 99% of a population exhibits a behavior, it’s safe to call that behavior a rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:30 PM
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Polygamy here just refers to quantity over quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:28 PM
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It’s not complicated. A woman is only aroused by men whom she believes superior than her. Even the women here who disagree with RP do not disagree with this basic fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:27 PM
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A tiny exception doesn’t negate the rule. As an easy example, maybe there is a woman out there that prefers men who are shorter than her to men who are taller than her, with all other things being equal. Her existence doesn’t disprove the rule because there are probably less than 1% of all women who are like her. We can still say that women are hypergamous and male to female height is one example of the expression of hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:59 PM
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Being attracted to a large variety is being hypogamous ie low standard. No. People who are hypergamous (i.e. women) do not fuck someone they view as better than them on Tuesday and then fuck someone they view as inferior to them on Thursday. Men do this. Men are polygamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:55 PM
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Yeah. Sorry. Your sex drive doesn’t go away simple because you fall in love. Just don’t act on your desires. Consume porn or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:49 PM
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You are so wrong about male sexual nature that it boggles my mind. Most women are wrong by ignorance, but you seem to have given this some thought and created an entire framework that is incorrect. Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:36 PM
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I’ve never seen a woman fall for a man whom SHE didn’t view as superior to her. A lot of people cite Pete Davidson and Kim Kardashian as an example where hypergamy doesn’t apply because Pete is ugly. Completely forgetting that he is 6’4” and has a ton of social proof from openly dating a string of other women just as beautiful as Kim K but younger. Don’t forget that the opinion of the woman in the relationship is all that matters. You might look at a couple and think “she is better than him”. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:21 PM
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What would be the point? There is no point that makes any sense anymore. It’s how men are hardwired through millions of years of evolution. It doesn’t have to make sense in any modern context. Hypergamy doesn’t make sense either. Why can’t most women be aroused by shorter men? It doesn’t make any sense in the modern context but our biological hardwiring was set thousands of generations prior to the modern area of society, laws, commerce, and governments.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:11 PM
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I labeled the post as discussion but the mods changed it to CMV. You are right. Looks tend to outweigh the others now because women have their own money and status now.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:07 PM
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This is a man acting out his polygamous nature. That is a good example. Meanwhile, women cannot love a man while willingly fucking other men. At least most women can’t do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:04 PM
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You are correct. But the term “relationship” should be read very loosely. The relationship may only last an hour. All men want to exercise polygamy because of their biological hardwiring. Outside of pornography, only a very few can because women are hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:03 PM
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‘Change My View’
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:01 PM
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Wow. Your replies are making me a little sad. Look. Guys with Stacy fuck Becky on the side all of the time. Literally all of the time. It’s the norm, not the exception. Guys with enough options to lock down Stacy are going to absolutely bang other Stacy’s and Becky’s on the side without offering any commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:00 PM
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Is this a joke? What man is only attracted to taller women? Men are attracted to both taller and shorter women. Men are polygamous. It’s women who tend to only be attracted to taller men. Women are hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:56 PM
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Just the opposite. If both men and women were hypergamous, we’d still be living in caves with a dismal birth rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:54 PM
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Is fantasising about others an example of polygamous nature? Only if you’re fantasizing about a wide variety of men and not just a narrow band of men whom you perceive as superior to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:54 PM
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Also, I don't think men love "variety" Wow. Just wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:52 PM
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Humans are not a polygamous species. Put the dictionary down and reread the OP. Polygamy just means “quantity over quality” in this context while Hypergamy means “quality over quantity”.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:51 PM
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In practice though men do want and will marry the 7 over the 9, they will trade in a older partner for the young and all that. Men do not want to commit to the 7 or the 9. They do so out of necessity. Women fuck who they want while men fuck who they can. Most men have to embrace monogamy to secure sexual access.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:49 PM
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I’ve never screwed around on my wife and I’ve had opportunities. That’s not what polygamy means in this context. Go back and read the OP again. Are you saying that you only masturbate to pictures of your wife? Are you saying that you chose your wife because you view her as superior to you? If the answer to these two questions is “no”, then you are polygamous and NOT hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:47 PM
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Attraction is not the same for men as it is for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:45 PM
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take your shitty thesis out the window now because plummeting fertility rates indicate that the dynamic is not at all trivial like this, You’ve got to be joking. The plummeting fertility rates (I assume you mean birth rates or marriage rates) prove what I am saying is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:44 PM
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That’s how hypergamy works. Women are only attracted to men they view as superior to them. The more successful women become, the fewer men are arousing to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:43 PM
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Men and women can be hypergamous Men and women can be polygamous Any examples of men who are hypergamous or women who are polygamous?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:42 PM
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Sex is hard for 99% of men to obtain.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:40 PM
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Let’s say polygamy is a man’s sexual strategy. It is in no way realistic for like 95% of men. Correct. But it was probably more realistic in our prehistoric past. Remember that only 40% of our male ancestors created offspring while 99% of our female ancestors did. It’s a failing sexual strategy if most men are not successful at it. False. If men were hypergamous like women, the success rate would be close to 0%. Polygamy is a successful strategy for men because it’s far more successful than the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:39 PM
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You’re making my point stronger. You just said that women are only attracted to a narrow subset of men. This is hypergamy. They are NOT polygamous because they aren’t attracted to a large variety of men like men are attracted to a large variety of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:31 PM
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In real life women fuck all sorts of guys. The data shows otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:30 AM
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https://gfycat.com/unkemptboringemu
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:27 AM
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Some of them. Call it a treasure hunt. Hopefully, you’ll learn some things as you browse. A little light reading before bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:21 AM
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Women aren’t consuming pornography featuring fat dudes. But men are when it comes to fat women. Women aren’t consuming pornography featuring short dudes. But men are when it comes to short women or even unusually tall women. Women aren’t consuming pornography featuring 18 year old dudes. You see where this is going? The fact that a few women occasionally browse porn does not make it a bad example to highlight polygamy versus hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:17 AM
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Here is a good place to start if you’re looking for some light reading before bed. https://therationalmale.com/?s=Hypergamy+
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:13 AM
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Pornography is merely an example to highlight the male desire for variety and quantity over quality. Even if these guys do not consume pornography for whatever reason, they are still polygamous and NOT hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:07 AM
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i know a few attractive guys who don’t even watch porn and are in a relationship. No you don’t. You know a few attractive liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:57 AM
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I’m not advocating anything. I personally think run-away hypergamy and run-away polygamy are both bad. This is how our sexuality works. But we also have human reason to help guide us when our desires lead us down a destructive path.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:56 AM
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None of these concepts are based in my personal experience. It’s all data driven. Plus the collective experience and studies of intersexual dynamics of millions of people around the world over decades. That’s why the RP is so enlightening and powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:54 AM
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I’m starting to see this. They can’t accept male sexuality. But then again, most men cannot accept female sexuality. It’s why most men go through RP rage before finally accepting hypergamy is true. Most men don’t like the idea that the love of their life would not have even looked at them if they’d been born three inches shorter or drove a Honda instead of a BMW the first time they met.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:50 AM
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Hot dudes get oneitis too. No. No they don’t. No man stops being attracted to a wide variety of women because they fall in love with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:47 AM
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i know EXTREMELY hot guys who stay in long term loving relationships. Absolutely. And those men still look at porn and fantasize about a wide variety of women who look nothing like their long term partners. And, when they get a chance, they sneak off for an hour here and there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:46 AM
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You’re putting a value judgement on Mother Nature. A man who has fewer options isn’t inherently a better man anymore than a woman who dates shorter men is a better woman. I mean, that’s fine but you don’t get a pat on the back for trying to ignore your desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:44 AM
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there’s plenty of women who get with dudes uglier than them and ones who don’t have money or anything particularly good going for them No. This is not a thing. Not for sex. He’d better be tall and/or muscular or hot in some other very physical way. Now, a woman will pair with an ugly man long-term if he has other traits going for him which makes him a good long term security bet. also i know guys who are lot pickier than this for sexual things. for example one of my friends had a girl (who wasn’…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:38 AM
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That’s not how it works. Men can no more control their polygamous nature anymore than women can control their hypergamous nature. Men are only as faithful as their options and women do not care about your struggles as a man; they wait at the finish line and fuck whomever crosses first.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:30 AM
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You just proved my point. Why is your boyfriend fucking unattractive women? Are you fucking unattractive men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:24 AM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:22 AM
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No. The less dependent women become, the higher their standards for men become. Hypergamy is hardwired into women by Mother Nature. It doesn’t go away because women start to gain more social power. It just means that women find it harder and harder to find superior men (i.e. men that they are aroused by).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:22 AM
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Men don’t want to “pick” at all. We want as many options as possible. But sex is VERY hard to obtain (thanks to hypergamy - example…in our ancestral past, only 45% of the men who have ever lived had children while 99% of the women did). So most men embrace monogamy as a strategy to get sexual access and they then would rather pick a “Stacey” if given the choice. But this isn’t hypergamy. It’s based on practicality and not desire. Plus, men in the top 5% to 1% don’t need to exercise monogamy and …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:19 AM
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This makes no sense. If women were polygamous, they would be fucking both the fat and ugly men and the good looking men as they were able. This is what men do. They fuck across the female attractiveness spectrum when given the chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 10:47 AM
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Aside from aging? I mean, that’s a huge difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 06:48 AM
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managed to get sex easily and often all throughout his 20s. This is not a thing unless he is in his 40’s now and he was in his 20’s before social media took over.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 10:00 PM
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It’s all based in well grounded evolutionary biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 09:42 PM
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A woman needs to be aroused by you before you can have a healthy relationship with her. Otherwise, you could end up as a beta bux roommate living in a one-sided hostage situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 09:41 PM
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That’s why I said “by blue pill standards”. The blue pill thinks being a good person is treating others the way you would want to be treated. This is a mistake because men and women are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 10:16 AM
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You're making broad assumptions across multiple things and combining them into a big bias sandwich. Yes. This is how scientific inquiry works. Examining evidence and generalizing the data into conclusions that can again be tested and refined. It requires generalizations. Hell I know for a fact just for me that the idea of having multiple sexual partners absolutely is completely unappealing. Polygamy, in this context, does not mean multiple partners at the same time. Are you saying you want to on…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:30 AM
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Again, this is not how humanity works. It’s not magical and it’s not mysterious. A lot of social conventions have been applied to sexual dynamics to mask and obscure the truth though. And these social constructs make up much of the advice you’re parroting now. I’ll make it easy and quick. Men are polygamous and women are hypergamous. We are not attracted to the same traits and we don’t even share the same selection strategy. The male selection strategy (the way in which their unrestricted sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:01 AM
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And only 8% of men are 6’1” or taller. What’s your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:47 AM
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That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works. You have to understand how female love and attraction works in order to attract women. Just saying “it’s magic” is only helpful to guys who naturally already have the genetically based physical and behavior characteristics which make them attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:44 AM
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From what I’ve seen, it’s just about masturbation. Some of them would say that the sexual frustration produced from not masturbating should be funneled into attracting real women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:39 AM
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It’s very hard. When I was in high school, I went almost two months without a nut because we were touring Europe with a group of students for the Summer. I had almost no private time. The first week was an absolute nightmare. Probably like trying to come off of a hard drug. But then, after a couple of weeks it gets easier. I didn’t see any benefits though. Except for multiple awesome orgasms when I finally got back home to the good ole US of A.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:35 AM
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Blue pill advises men to be decent humans to their fellow opposite humans. Exactly. Huge mistake. Blue Pill assumes men and women are the same and experience love and attraction the same. Believing this will drastically hurt your chances at attracting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:26 AM
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If you do all this, you don’t need to be a good person. In fact, being a good person (by the blue pill definition), makes you LESS likely to be successful on the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:25 AM
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Had the nerve to put “no exceptions”. Wow.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/01/22 10:49 AM
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You just described the vast majority of men. Not everyone can be Alpha. Maybe < 10% of men. The rest of us are some variety of beta bucks. Men are fine with that if they’re getting sufficient sex. It’s when beta bucks stops getting his needs met when it becomes a serious problem. Men are designed through hundreds of thousands of years via evolution to provision for women. That’s what we do. But we expect sexual access in return. Our modern world has allowed women to obtain the provisioning witho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:17 PM
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“Genuine attraction” from a woman doesn’t really benefit men. It’s the sex they want. After that, it’s her behavior and emotional traits. Is she submissive, friendly, feminine, and likely to be a good mother? “Genuine attraction” is absolutely not needed and it was a rarity in marriage just 100 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 12:25 PM
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No. Good for Caleb. He is using his height to play the field. It’s not his fault. It’s the women who think they are entitled to rare men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 02:36 AM
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Exactly. Men paying money to women for nothing in return. Twitch is worse than Onlyfans though. At least with OnlyFans, these guys are paying for pictures and videos. On Twitch, they get nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 06:25 PM
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You need to read up on preselection. Women generally are not going to date a man who hasn’t been co-signed by other women or people she knows/trusts. It’s like the fact that you need I.D. To get I.D.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 05:43 PM
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God Damn. I keep forgetting that the UK doesn’t have free speech. Wow!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 05:39 PM
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He’s describing the majority of men today. Remember, women rate 80% of men as “below average” on Tinder. A plurality of men put women on a pedestal, for nothing in return, in the false hope of being noticed for their “chivalrous” mindset and behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 05:35 PM
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Actually, the least happy demographic of human beings are single childless women over 40. Do you have a link to your information? It seems unlikely, but I can imagine this being true for younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 05:29 PM
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Woman can easy fuck men way above their league. But it's much more of a challenge to secure commitment or marriage from that same guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 06:31 PM
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I think there is no solution in our life span, but I think society will probably have to just hit rock bottom before any solutions would be viable. I suspect pornography, artificial intelligence, and even sex robots will push back total social collapse even as the intimacy gap expands to unprecedented levels. I suspect that the future will see a rise in aggregate pleasure but a dramatic decline in aggregate "happiness" or fulfillment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 03:50 AM
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Guys not being able to get laid is a 'you" problem. Not a societal one. The same should be said about income inequality. But that’s not said. So, if one is a problem then I don’t see why the other shouldn’t also be seen as a problem. The intimacy gap is as socially consequential as the income gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 11:39 AM
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I think the sexlessness issue is a serious issue that is going to have far reaching consequences for our society and economy as these men age into their 30s,40s, and so on. Single men are statistically shown to have much less career advancement and earning potential. I feel really bad for the young guys in the next few decades. I'm glad I'm not in the game anymore. It’s worse than this. It’s been known from ancient times that societies full of sexless and frustrated young men are dangerous socie…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 11:33 AM
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What is up with all of these questions that pretend that men and women are the same. This is another example where the answer will be different depending on if we are talking about men or women. Also, the word "too" is biased. It's clearly better for men to have sex earlier in life and it's better for women to wait to have sex later.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/21 01:22 PM
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The only real options are marriage options. Women conflate sexual attraction with relationship attraction. A woman who is a 5 can sleep with a male 9. But she can’t lock him down. She is more likely to be able to marry only a male 6 or lower. Even still, she thinks she has “plenty of options” because she doesn’t fully realize her predicament. She doesn’t want male 6’s and so she sleeps around with 8’s and 9’s until she is too old and the male 8’s and 9’s don’t even want her for sex. At that poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 10:28 AM
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No true Scotsman fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 11:53 AM
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versus an actual gang banging, drug dealing thug. Drug dealing thugs have more sex than anyone who isn’t literally famous.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 03:48 AM
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That's not genetics work, if only tall males were selected then we would all be tall, including women. No. Women are not selected for their height because men are NOT hypergamous. During our evolutionary history, almost all women reproduced but only perhaps half of men reproduced and those were the men who had higher status traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 06:02 AM
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I don't get why you keep going for "taller" since most men are taller than most women MOst men are taller than most women because of hypergamy. Taller males were selected for by females during our evolution and so men ended up taller than women. I don't think many couples in the world share a birthday and get payed exactly the same amount. You're still missing the point. Without hypergamy, about 50% of women would date younger and 50% would date older. Without hypergamy about 50% of women would …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:35 PM
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Hypergamy isn't about "similar". It is a measurement of direction, not degree. If 98% of women only date taller, it doesn't matter if it's one inch taller or nine inches taller. Hypergamy refers to the idea that women only date men whom they perceive as "above" them in a social hierarchy. Older, Richer, Taller, are just three obvious examples of this, but others may exist. Edit: Look at age. The VAST majority of women partner with men who are older than them. Doesn't matter if it's 24 hours or 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:56 PM
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It's not the norm for women to date older? So it's the norm for women to date younger? It's not the norm for women to date richer? So it's the norm for women to date poorer? It's not the norm for women to date taller? So it's the norm for women to date shorter? What are we talking about here?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:49 PM
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Wow. So you basically see height as a pure function of gender? You basically think being a short woman and a tall woman is the same but being a short man and a tall man is different?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 09:48 PM
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I don't consider being shorter than a guy as something "worse" or lacking on my part You’re opinion is being clouded by gender norms. Does our society say it’s better to be shorter or taller? What’s the dominant or superior position, taller or shorter. Imagine a short woman and a tall woman. Who has more social privilege if that’s all that you know? This really isn’t complicated. It’s obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:53 PM
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As for rich most girls would be okay with middle class lifestyle There aren’t enough rich guys to go around. Of course, the dirty little secret is that there also aren’t enough tall guys to go around. Of course, women don’t realize this and end up fiercely competing for a small handful of the same men. And Japan is a strange country to use. But yes, I think 1 year matters. Because that one year is almost always in the same direction. This is how hypergamy works. Hypergamy is about the direction,…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 07:54 PM
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I consider women who make more than me "superior" to me, but not women who are taller than me lol. That's just an attraction thing. Rest assured that women find men taller than them as superior and shorter than them as inferior generally. Height is the ultimate hypergamous trait in that it’s effects can be easily measured and are extremely dramatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 07:47 PM
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They don’t “mix” them. Women are the gatekeepers of reproduction. Hypergamy is the reason men and women evolved the dimorphic traits that we have. Women are hypergamous and selected for aggressiveness. So men are less agreeable than women today, on average. Women are hypergamous and selected for height. So men are taller and larger than women today, on average. Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 07:45 PM
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I really don't get why taller is used as a hypergamous trait. The average guy is taller than the average girl Because of hypergamy. Hypergamy caused the evolutionary pressures which causes the physical trait differences we see today. Does it then make guys hypergamous when they go after girls with bigger tits or ass than them too? Men do not have breast size requirements. Men will gladly partner with women with small breasts or flat asses. Men are polygamous, not hypergamous. Also don't see how …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 07:42 PM
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Older, richer, taller. Nothing you said refutes hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 07:38 PM
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I don’t know what you mean by “around their same age”. Women date older, richer, taller. This is hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 07:37 PM
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A woman in law school dating a man 10 years out of law school is not hypergamous, This is ABSOLUTELY hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 06:04 AM
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But in most couples today the man and the woman are the same age and from the same socioeconomic class Huuu? What do you mean? Women don’t usually date men of the same age, same socioeconomic class, or same height. It’s usually older, richer, and taller. There are exceptions, but hypergamy is undefeated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 06:01 AM
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Instantly shrink men to half their original size except for me. So a six foot guy becomes a proportionate 3’0” tall. All women stay the same size and nothing else changes. I basically become a sex god because hypergamy, but the world doesn’t grind to a halt because most jobs can still be performed with some tech modifications.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 12:06 PM
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n now paying $15/hr because they can’t find people who want to work as the government pays them to do nothing. You think the economy is recovering so well? What country are you in? Have you been in a grocery store lately? Have you seen the price of gas? Where are the workers? Why are deliveries taking so many more days? 2021 is worse than 2020 except that there's less media hysteria. But it's certainly worse in real terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/21 01:39 AM
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Right. The economy was excellent and it was the government printing too much free money in terms of stimulus which is causing the inflation, labor, and supply chain problems we are seeing today. But you can’t say people are being underpaid. There are McDonald’s in my town now paying $15/hr because they can’t find people who want to work as the government pays them to do nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 10:18 AM
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Politicians will blame everything except the lack of good paying jobs I'm not sure what country you mean. There are more job openings now than ever before in the history of the United States. Wage inflation is so great right now that it's actually helping to drive systemic inflation across all goods and services.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 08:38 PM
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The female tendency to deception when it comes to sexuality and arousal is also an evolutionary behavior in humans. Think about it. Many other female primates have obvious signals to broadcast when they’re fertile (such as enlarge glands and whatnot). Humans evolved differently and human females evolved to hide their sexual arousal for whatever reason. This is why women do not admit what actually turns them on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 12:01 PM
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Pre-selection is unconscious. Most women aren’t aware they’re even doing it. But you’re right, it’s an evolutionary behavior. It also explains why women are generally disgusted by male virginity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 09:48 PM
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Women who marry young are the least likely to have successful marriages Any study to back this up? Also, I’m not talking about historically young (like 14 to 16) or something like that. When I say “young”, I’m talking 18 to 24. If you get to 30, you’ve lost the majority of the negotiating power you had in your youth. It’s still not hopeless if you’re in good shape. But it’s not optimal and you compromise your chances of long term happiness. Also, I just gave you the key to long-term happiness an…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 12:22 PM
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This is so ridiculous. It’s not that hard folks. It’s like three steps. (1) Keep your shape and stay as firm and attractive as you can (basically eat healthy and workout 3x a week in your youth), (2) Choose men based on their character and prospects (ignore your vagina tingles), and (3) marry young when you’re most beautiful and have the most negotiating power. That’s it. That’s the formula for long-term female happiness. Now, if only society weren’t telling women the exact opposite and setting …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 12:03 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 11:51 AM
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Theres not even enough chads for that to happen. Chad might be fucking 15 different girls in the same two week period a girl should be waiting. There are enough Chads to go around because women are happy to share him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 11:51 AM
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And remain a virgin until your late 20s/early 30s and have people claim its a huge red flag. No man thinks a woman who is a virgin is “a red flag”. Any man telling you this is gaslighting you into bed. Men and women are not the same and the sexual rules that apply to us are totally different. Male versions are creepy and female sluts are “creepy” (from a relationship standpoint).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 11:39 AM
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Nope. But those clichés exist for a reason. I’m just giving you the underlying truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 11:36 AM
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If you believe that to be true, then allow them to make their own mistakes and stop whining about it Fine. But don’t whine when you discover that those mistakes have grave consequences. Ah so you don't expect anything of men, yet expect the world of women... Remember, women are the gatekeepers of sex and men are the gatekeepers of relationships. I expect men not to marry sluts. They have no responsibility in terms of who they fuck. Sleep with as many women as you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 11:32 AM
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Then wait longer than the first few dates. In truth, I understand the dilemma that women face. Women are hypergamous and Chad doesn’t wait because he has a lot of options. So, in order to lock down Chad (a low percentage probability) women sleep with him quickly and hold out hope that he genuinely does like them. He doesn’t. If it’s a more average dude, a woman could ensure that the love (commitment) is there before having sex. But women do not want dudes who they view as average. So the unneces…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 11:27 AM
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Hey, I don’t mind that at all. I’m just saying that women who do this lower their relationship/marriage value. But sure, go ahead. It will be fun. For a while. Edit: If it's such a concern for you, tell men not to sleep with women they're not that into. Men just want wet dicks. We don’t have to like or respect a woman to sleep with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 11:18 AM
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Yes but lots of men on various subs will say that they won’t even consider pursuing a relationship with a woman if she doesn’t put out whilst dating. Don’t date those men. I don’t see the dilemma. After 3 dates you don’t even know someone. Then don’t sleep with them. Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 11:15 AM
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No. Women are the gatekeepers of sex. Don’t give it up to men who don’t like you. It’s not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 11:13 AM
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I don’t see the confusion. There is a big difference between sexual attention and relationship/marriage attention. Men don’t care about the body counts of women whom they just want to fuck and not take seriously. But when we do find a woman we want to take seriously, we want the lowest body count possible. What women should be doing (if they were smart), is only sleeping with men who are going to take them seriously as a long term option or marriage. Instead, they go by vagina tingles and just s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/21 11:11 AM
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Yes. There are plenty of men who are neutral or into femdom. But these aren’t the men that women want. So even men that don’t like being dominant will start to adjust because that’s what virtually all women want. It’s hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/21 12:00 AM
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So then this begs another question: Wouldn't going prudish again repress male sexuality? Yes. That's the whole point. It would repress casual sex on both sides. This would encourage more development of families. But, The Red Pill does not advocate this because it would be bad for the top 10% of men. But other parts of the "manosphere" do advocate for a more traditionalist society.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 11:55 AM
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What is happening here? The women are turning down relationships with men, while at the same time complaining they can't find a man? This is easy. It’s due to unchecked, runaway hypergamy. Throughout human history, there were social checks and balances put on hypergamy. Now, thanks to decades of feminism, these checks and balances have been eroded and now it’s unbounded hypergamy. The average woman is no longer attracted to the average man, and most women only lust after a tinier and tinier perc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 11:59 AM
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This. It’s amazing that height is pretty much the only male characteristic that society says it’s okay for women not to lie about or obscure the truth about. I wonder if it’s because short men are historically less of a threat and so women were never socialized or evolved to hide their disdain for male short stature like they hide their disdain for other male characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 11:55 AM
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I don't know why the short chad face looking guy often gets more sympathy than the 6ft2 dude with an ugly face. It’s because height is easily measured and often slandered, while “ugly” is a very subjective opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 11:49 AM
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The answer to most questions about women is “hypergamy”…but not this. Hypergamy requires a free choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 11:42 AM
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“Thanks, but no thanks”.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 01:11 AM
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This is so crazy. It’s a shame that a lot of young women don’t understand how bad a high body count looks to men. She can’t claim 60 bodies in eight months and expect any man to take her seriously.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/10/21 01:00 AM
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You can absolutely afford kids with only one income. But it depends on what lifestyle you want and where you want to live. You’re right that you can’t live in a major American city with socialist policies and strict zoning/planning laws which restrict housing or enforce rent control which discourages rents to adjust with supply and demand. But you can certainly live in a smaller town or in a rural area with a single income.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 08:59 PM
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I never understood this argument. People had no problems finding partners during The Great Depression. These economic issues generally have nothing to do with marriage, relationships, and families.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 07:35 PM
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I’m not sure what you mean by “egalitarian woman” but it sounds like a social construct. Hypergamy is a biological imperative for women. What do you mean by “egalitarian”?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 07:26 PM
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All women are “into that”. All women primarily date across or up social hierarchies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 07:21 PM
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Women would rather have multiple men providing for them - not the other way around with them waiting around for one guy's attention while he spreads his resources around between several different women. This is true, but women don’t get this choice. The top men that they want will NOT share his women with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 07:15 PM
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The reason is simply that you want sex and women are hypergamous. If you don’t take the leadership position during the date, she will be turned off. And paying during the date is part of planning the date and demonstrating leadership and dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 06:56 PM
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This happened with the deregulation and globalization of the sexual marketplace. The widespread proliferation and acceptance of dating apps and social media accelerated hook-up culture as the pressures on women to secure a top guy exploded and demolished their negotiating power. So now, the top 10% of males make all the rules and they’re not waiting for sex. The only way to find a man who is willing to value “closeness” over fast sex is to look for a more average man. However, most women aren’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 03:50 AM
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Actually, CEO pay is a tiny fraction of the total payroll of any company. Even in very large company where the executives make millions of dollars. Even if they were paid zero, it wouldn't do anything in terms of prices.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 12:44 AM
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This is absolutely happening and it will become a real economic problem that no one is talking about. A lot of young men are dropping out of society and under-earning women, which only makes the problem worse (because hypergamy). And meanwhile, on the women’s side, too many young women are foregoing job-skills and life-skills to make easier money doing onlyfans or becoming an “influencer”. A huge percentage of the youngest generation are not doing real work. The economy will be in serious troubl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 11:55 AM
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That part was a bit strange. But he could be a plumber with his own sole proprietorship and be a millionaire by 57 if he lives in a mid-sized city.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 12:26 AM
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You’re not a Chad and you apparently don’t even know any Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 12:24 AM
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I’m a man bro. I’m just laying out the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 11:15 PM
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We had this one friend in college who was a jock and a lady killer. He could easily be described as a Chad (or technically, a Tyrone). He told us that he fucked one of the cafeteria workers. A short, overweight 50-something year old mother with an old wrinkled face. When we asked him why he had sex with her, he said (and these were his exact words), “I wanted to see how it be”.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 11:07 AM
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A ten is never even going to glance at a land whale. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Fat women have no problems getting dick from Chad. They just don’t get affection, respect, love, relationships, or commitment from Chad. Most attractive men will take zero effort sex over high effort sex from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 10:57 AM
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It’s true bro. A lot of highly attractive men have high levels of testosterone. Guys with high testosterone tend to be hornier. I’ve seen plenty of dudes who are 8+ take women who are 3’s and 4’s for one night. Yes, 2’s also in a pinch. And these women conflate sex with actual attraction. But men don’t work like that. A lot of men just want a warm hole. So a woman who is a 3 now think she’s an 8 because she slept with Chad once.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 10:39 AM
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I think most women /feminist women want an equal partner Seeing how women are naturally hypergamous, this can not be true. A woman would not be attracted to her equal. She would need to view him as her superior first.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 10:33 AM
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None of that is hard to believe. Anyone with even a high paying job can be a millionaire by 57 years old. You don’t even have to own your own business to accomplish that. If you’ve been making $100K+ since your early 30’s and you’re decent with investing and saving, it’s not unreasonable that you’d be a millionaire by 57. Plus, he might be talking about net worth and not cash on hand. This is very believable at 57.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 10:30 AM
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There is no feminism in the bedroom (with the exception of basic consent). Women generally want modern roles or no roles for themselves while insisting on traditional roles or masculine roles for men who they want to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 10:23 AM
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Thus far, hypergamy has been primarily proven to exist based on status and resource markers, such as caste, education, or wealth/income. Aren't race, height, and ethnicity also markers of status? I don't see the distinction you're making beyond a reluctance to admit something that is obvious but cannot be vigorously studied in academia for sociopolitical reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 08:41 PM
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Women are hypergamous. Bi men are culturally considered less masculine. Therefore, women tend to be less attracted to bi men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 03:16 AM
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The real interesting question is, controlling for supply and demand issues, how innately sexually selective lesbians are. Do they have an attraction distribution curve with respect to women that looks similar to how men rate women (a normal curve)? Or is it like how women rate men (a profoundly abnormal curve)? I agree that this would be an interesting study. I suspect that bisexual women would rate men like heterosexual women rate men, and they would rate women as heterosexual men rate women - …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 09:18 PM
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You have to be careful of not conflating women's greater sexual selectivity and hypergamy. They are the same phenomenon. The greater sexual selectivity means that they only choose mates who they perceive as superior to themselves. Think about it, if one gender has to be very selective and select the best genetic material, why would the partner with someone who they think will dilute their genetic potential? What 'hypergamy' entails, beyond a near cultural universal of women mating upwards in sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 09:16 PM
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You avoided answering the question. Which is an answer unto itself. But the question is really personal and it’s just something for you to consider privately as prima facie evidence of hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 11:57 AM
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I’m 5’1 and my fiancé is 5’8, I don’t find him any less attractive than a man who is 6’. This maybe true of a faceless 6’0” guy. But assume your fiancé was 6’0”. Would you prefer the 6’0” version of your fiancé or the 5’8” version. Both of these men are identical in looks and personality except for height. Who do you choose?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 04:45 AM
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My bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 04:39 AM
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Women doctors are more likely to be married or in a LTR than the general public by a sizable margin. https://c.tenor.com/jIjgls-jHGsAAAAd/will-ferrell-i-dont-believe-you.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 09:33 PM
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Men would always rather have a relationship with the woman they most want to have sex with ie the most physically attractive woman. You have no idea what you're talking about. There is no "woman they most want to have sex with". Men don't look at sex like that. There is no special woman. Sorry to bust your bubble. There is no "most sexy". The game Fuck/Marry/Kill was invented because men are polygamous and we can't agree on which women are the most attractive. Women can pretty much agree on whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 09:24 PM
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Why is preferring a man who is taller and stronger than you considered hypergamy? That's kind of like asking why is preferring a man who has more money than you considered hypergamy. You could just as easily say that having more money is just "different" and it lines up with more masculine professions that pay more. But that's not how evolutionary biology works. Being tall conveys social privileges while being short conveys social stigma. This is because it was beneficial to be taller/larger in …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 08:43 PM
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A lot of "queer" women most certainly have a height preference. I'm 5'8" which is considered tall for an average woman, and women love my height because they feel like I can physically protect them... and they feel more feminine if they're the shorter girlfriend. What do you prefer? Do you have a height preference or requirement?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 08:33 PM
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“Would bang” and “actively pursue and want a relationship with” Our evolutionary desires are based on "would bang". That's what we are talking about when we talk about hypergamy versus polygamy. However, here is the rub. Women are the gatekeepers to sex while men are the gatekeepers to relationships. A man has to go through the "would bang" gate before we even talk about "want a relationship with".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 08:29 PM
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why don’t you consider the fact that there are simply less bi and lesbian women, and so you cant be as choosy if you’re a woman that wants to be with a female partner? That could be true. But two things can be true at once. Horny men that would fuck a pile of chopped meat are a dime a dozen, after all. Which proves that men are polygamous and women are not. Women are hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 08:27 PM
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It's all three. That's like saying "You came up with three definitions for an elephant: (1) a large land mammal, (2) a four legged animal with a trunk, and (3) A creature mostly found in Africa with two ivory tusks.....which is it?" The evolutionary reason that women are hypergamous is because they only have one egg instead of many sperm and so they have to be more selective and seek quality over quantity. Hypergamy itself means being attracted only to those you deem superior to you. And height …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 08:25 PM
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No. Men partner with the best looking partner they can. No. We want to fuck pretty much all women in the top 80% of the attractiveness distribution. It's not true that men are "looking" for any particular woman. If they’re dating someone “below” them (whatever that means), it’s only because better looking women wouldn’t have them. No. The men who can sleep with better look women also sleep with the average looking women. Women aren’t that selective, they evaluate people on the whole vs men who o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 03:01 PM
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But no, I have not experienced or seen anything resembling hypergamy between women. This suggests to me it’s not something innate in women. This was sort of where my mind was going too. If lesbians aren't hypergamous, then maybe we are wrong about hypergamy being the driving force of female sexual desire. But someone else pointed out that bisexual women tend to have lower standards for women than for men. Both in terms of facial aesthetics, height, and income. He thinks this is because hypergamy…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 02:56 PM
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A man will crawl over broken glass to be with the woman he loves. A woman generally will stop "loving" a man if he no longer performs his masculine duties. That's just how it works. It's not a good or a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 02:50 PM
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I don’t believe women are hypergamous. This is really indisputable. It's like saying "I don't believe women are capable of giving birth". The obvious sexual strategy of women is hypergamy. They are highly selective and they typically only partner with men whom they view as "above" them. Meanwhile, men are not selective and gladly partner with women "below", "across", or "above" them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 02:47 PM
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I think it comes down to the fact a woman can't get pregnant by another woman so when they are evaluating a female mate their aren't judging the worthiness of their genes to the same extent they would if evaluating a male. Mind blown. Yes, this is another good explanation based in evolutionary biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 02:41 PM
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Good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 02:41 PM
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Facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 11:55 AM
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Yo. Even plain and fairly ugly women can make money from their looks thanks to social media and the subsequent explosion of simping. This scale is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 11:49 AM
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Ah. This is actually a smart way to view it. Also explains why hypergamy seems like it doesn’t apply to lesbians.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 11:47 AM
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Do you have a source for that stat?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 11:46 AM
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because of what, tinder, okcupid and plenty of fish? or some autistic data gathered by nerd social scientists? Yes. All that. The vast majority of women is not hypergamous, If you think this, then you don’t understand what hypergamy means.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 11:45 AM
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I think that in relationships between women, if things don't work out romantically, it's easier to just be friends. It's happened to me, haha!! So I think that, plus the much lower threat of harassment or violence if you do reject them, makes it easier for women seeking women to give anyone interesting a shot. So these dating dynamics don't really present huge issues. That’s an interesting perspective. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 11:43 AM
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This is obvious. Men love idealistically while women love conditionally. This is how hypergamy works. Also, the vast majority of love poems and songs were written by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 11:10 AM
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I’m generally against new laws. We have too many laws as it is. I’d encourage talented ugly people to start their own businesses. Most classically unattractive people who are rich are rich because they started their own enterprise. No one is going to give them anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:30 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 01:56 PM
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I found this pretty common in the legal world as well when I was first job hunting in the 2010s. Biglaw only cared about credentials. But mid tier law firms cared a lot more about looks because the attorneys would have to work on cases AND interact with clients directly (where a Biglaw associate would probably never even see a client). I notice that prestigious firms employed women who were well put together but not stunning. Mostly nerds with makeup. But mid-tier firms tend to employ super hot …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 11:07 AM
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Fair enough. I’m not going to dispute anything about your own family experience. I’ll just say that you’re pushing a false feminist narrative that ultimately hurts both women and society. The whole “women need men like a fish needs a bicycle” trope. In truth, the least happy demographic of human being on earth is a single woman over 40 with no kids or husband. The feminist conceit of being a “strong and independent” single lady starts to expose itself as a lie in a woman’s 30’s and is completely…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 10:01 AM
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Having to spend her lonely life working in a factory or as a secretary until you can no longer work is a worse life than doing housework. It’s okay for a while, but the aggregate misery your grandmother would have had to endure as a single old woman with no support would have outweighed the mundane comfort of being married to a distant husband with kids and a purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:22 AM
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I’m confused how you think this is worse than being a woman in her 50s with no husband, no children, aging out of the workforce, and unable to attract a husband because she is too old. Having a person to come home to and cook for while he provides food and shelter seems like a pretty good deal. Better than slowly descending into poverty before dying alone as a forgotten old cat lady.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 02:35 AM
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I suspect the average le redditor still does not believe men and women are different. Most probably don’t even believe there is even such thing as “men” and “women”.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 02:23 AM
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You're a red piller, what do you know about success? who are the successful people in life? The ones who are educated with a degree or come from educated parents... So, I see you're in your feelings...but most jobs in America are not at big companies. What you say may be somewhat true in very large companies but it's not true of the average company. Again, unless it's a highly technical field, most HR professionals would choose an attractive guy with no degree over an unattractive guy with a deg…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 07:29 PM
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I doubt most HR professionals would choose an unattractive guy with a degree over an attractive guy without a degree, all other things being equal. But that's beside the point. OP seems to be talking about dating, happiness, and overall life success. Again, it's better to be attractive than to have a college degree. Even a Harvard or Oxford college degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 07:14 PM
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Losing weight doesn't change much about a person's physical appearance. What?! It has a huge change. Even people's faces get less fat when they lose weight and you can see their bone structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 07:08 PM
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Not at all. Attractiveness is far more important than a college degree. A college degree gets you almost nowhere now-a-days unless your field is very technical or you need it for professional schooling (i.e., doctor or lawyer). Meanwhile, attractiveness will benefit you in any environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 07:05 PM
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You aren't obligated to remain in a relationship if it isn't making you happy I think this is true for any relationship except for married with kids. At that point, the marriage needs to be mostly about the kid and not the “happiness” of the couple unless it becomes so dysfunctional that it hurts the kid’s future.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 12:39 PM
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You’re delusional if you think weight doesn’t matter in women. Also, “face” is much more important in women than men. An ugly dude with enough money and status can secure a beautiful woman. But an ugly woman cannot secure a high status man under any circumstance.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 12:00 PM
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Step 1: Is she at least mildly attractive? Step 2: Is she over the age of 23? If the answer to both of these questions is “yes”, then she has a sexual history and has engaged in casual dating in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 11:49 AM
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You responded to a post where I said that the woman will set you up with a woman she deems as having lower value than her. I never said you wouldn’t be attracted to her. Also, hard to have sympathy for you when you’ve got options. I’ve read forums where these dudes have no options at all. None. Regardless of how attractive or unattractive the woman is. What you’re describing is a scenario where you claim to be hungry. Your female “friend” brings you a sandwich. But now you’re mad because she was…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 11:26 AM
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Or you could just…you know…date the less attractive girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 11:20 AM
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If that was the case the most common type of match would be an ok/average dude with an ugly chick. That is what I’ve seen most often in the younger generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 10:55 AM
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Also, the fact that you’re friendzoned means that she doesn’t see you as a viable partner. So you know she is going to introduce you to a woman she deems is at a “lower level” than herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 10:53 AM
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I’m not implying anything. My statement should be taken at face value. The news doesn’t care about black lives when the crime was committed by another black person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 03:15 AM
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True. Men are also fat now. But women are more likely to be attracted to fat men than men are to be attracted to fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 08:00 AM
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Bro. The media only covers things people give a fuck about. White women is one of those things. They also don’t report anything about black male victims unless a white man was involved. If you’re a black man killed by another black man, the media doesn’t give a fuck. If a police officer kills a white dude, no one gives a fuck. There are a ton of double standards my guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 07:55 AM
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Depends on who is doing the killing. The news media in the United States doesn’t report on black on black crime. If 100 black men are murdered in Chicago in 24 hours, the news doesn’t give a fuck. If one of those killers is discovered to be a white dude in a MAGA hat, it’s national news.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 07:51 AM
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That is exactly what it means. But put in the “nicest” way possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 04:19 AM
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They’re saying you’re beta. This is a good thing for women who are a little older and are ready to settle down because their youth and beauty have faded somewhat, and they are no longer able to negotiate access to alphas.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 04:15 AM
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That may be true. I sort of hope that's true because the idea that social brainwashing can be that powerful is pretty frightening.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 11:48 PM
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I’m a virgin but I have raw sex every now and then.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/09/21 04:29 AM
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I think MGTOW and black pill are the natural progression of red pill ideas applied. TRP provides a lot of truth and strategies, but there was not enough emphasis put on “results may vary” and too much emphasis put on “it’s all about game…any man can attract any woman with sufficient game”. Well, men applied this and realized that it really only works for a top 20% man. So average men created MGTOW because they realized the RP truths about female nature were real but the effort to apply them wasn…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 11:45 AM
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Rollos Rule "never move together with a women you do not intend to marry inside 6 month" would not be stated that way if RP is not about ltr / commit too. Nope. That rule is about not allowing yourself to be tied down. The very first concept that The Rational Male introduces is oneitist. Rollo makes it clear that there is no “the one”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 11:39 AM
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I think the “fat acceptance” movement may be working. I never thought that would happen, but cultural change is a powerful psychological driver.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 11:33 AM
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This. I think we’re done here people. Wrap this thread up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 11:31 AM
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I thought you were pro choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 11:28 AM
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This has already happened. At the conclusion of World War 2 there was a stark gender imbalance in most Western countries because so many men had died. And of course you’d want to live in such a society as a man because women would have to adjust their standards. It would be much easier to find companionship and the practical value of having a man would be far more appreciated than it is today with the nanny state and our hypersexualized culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 11:24 AM
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courier delivery driver at Grubhub She’s supposed to be delivering the orders; not eating them.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/09/21 12:06 PM
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I don't care if those options are better or not. Options that aren't better aren't options at all. This is how women view things, and that's what matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 05:56 PM
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Your Marxist ideology has nothing to do with what I’ve said. There is no “the children” unless the requirements of hypergamy are met. Women can work and men can stay at home. But women don’t fuck those type of men and they certainly don’t marry them. That’s why this sort of fictional society could never work.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 11:58 AM
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Men are not having it, you get one or the other, but not both. The male gender role of being a provider is dying, which has caused issues for both sexes. Plus a lot more. But these are the issues that arise as we become a more fair/equitable society. This whole theory rests on the idea that biology is a social construct. It isn’t. You can’t design a functioning society where women provide for society and partner with men who provide emotional support and childcare. Biology has made it to where m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 05:17 AM
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This answer is totally different for males and females. 30 is certainly not too old if you’re a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 05:08 AM
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the party and the drugs and tend to ignore them as they only mean trouble in that enviroment but unless you are generally succesful things won't be any different there. It’s the partying and the drugs which makes it easier for these guys to get laid. If you’re the type of guy to avoid drugs, alcohol, and partying; you’re probably have a high inhibition personality. Women aren’t interested in high inhibition dudes unless they have a lot going for them to compensate for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 03:30 AM
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my biggest source of attraction to a man is that he looks intimidating and scary. Isn’t this all women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 01:22 AM
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The caveat is that it admits that type of attraction is transactional. All attraction is transactional. This is what the black pill doesn't understand about female desire. They think female desire for male height is "real" attraction but female desire for male status is "fake" attraction. This view just doesn't pass various logic tests or observational evidence. They basically think "hey, I could never be genuinely attracted to an ugly woman, therefore a woman can never be genuinely attracted to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 09:06 PM
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You are just reaching for reasons you are having trouble dating What? Where did that come from. I’m not a doctor, and I don’t have problems dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:58 AM
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I’m afraid that I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:16 PM
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Men with options choose both. You would want to sleep with the unremarkable woman and the woman you were strongly attracted to. And then you can see which would make the best wife material.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:15 PM
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It is evidence that hypergamy was in effect 8,000 years ago. This isn't evidence of attraction either as rape was probably common and marriage was a means to survival for women. Let’s think about this for a second. Once civilization was created, in what world would rape be a common sexual strategy to the degree where 1 man could rape 17 women on average? Which women? Do these women have fathers? Do these women have brothers? That’s not a thing. According to legend, the ancient Roman Republic was…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:04 PM
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Fit, friendly, and feminine. That’s all. And she doesn’t even have to be that fit. Just not fat. And that’s for “perfect”. For “perfectly acceptable”, just have 2 out of 3.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 01:04 PM
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Lol. Basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 01:01 PM
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Most male doctors will gladly take a 25 year old unremarkable woman. She just has to be open to it and put herself in an environment to meet a doctor. The problem is that most women don’t date with purpose until they’re 35 and unremarkable. At that age, most male doctors can do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 12:59 PM
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Anthropology. https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success 8000 years ago, after the advent of agriculture, the men who monopolized the resources reproduced with a higher proportion of women. In the case of this study, 17 women reproduced for every 1 man. Several other studies have been done on our ancestral past and the ratio is always high (example: 8:1, female:male), but the ratio gets larger during times of economic inequality. The numbers don’t start coming down to 1:1 until t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 12:51 PM
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Not exactly true. They choose FWB in their youth because they can. But once they hit the wall and their opportunities for casual fun with Chad evaporate, they will usually scramble to lower their standards and find a more average guy for LTR or marriage. However, if they already have Chad’s kid, they won’t even be able to find an average guy unless they are exceptionally beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 12:30 PM
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You have like have reading issues or something? Or you simply want to make a strawman? I said nothing about it going down but changing. Hey bro. Don’t argue with a guy who has a flair saying that Biden is not at fault for Afghanistan. He’s clearly a clown 🤡.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 12:23 PM
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That’s not true. Women will trade height for income, but it takes a lot of income to make up for height. Most women will not partner with a tall bum. Unfortunately, some will have temporary sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 12:21 PM
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False. You can modify social constructs all you want, but you can’t change the essential nature of men and women. You can’t affect hypergamy. Women will just have less options that they find appealing as less men are educated and they eventually out earn a greater portion of the male population. If the trend continues and it starts to become a real problem for a plurality of women; look for governments to start legalizing polygamy and making it a civil rights issue like “marriage equality”.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 12:15 PM
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This is like saying concerns about the acceptance of unwed mothers in society is strictly a concern amongst ugly men and incels. No, these are social issues that should be discussed without shaming those bringing it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 01:23 PM
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why would you ever want someone to settle for you? “Hi this is my wife she settled for me.” Because women are hypergamous. If you’re a guy who is a “6” on the looks scale and you LTR or marry a woman who is a “6”, then she has settled. If you’re a guy who is a “6” and you want a woman who has genuine burning desire for you, then you’re going to have to get with a female “4” or “3”. That’s why guys would usually rather take a girl who settled for them. Plus, a lot of female “3’s” think they are “…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 04:49 AM
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How is being in the seducer position specifically an advantage here? The same way being in the birthing position as a mother is specifically advantageous in understanding childbirth. The only problem I have with your theory is the part where you claim that women are incapable of being attracted to someone shorter than them. That’s not what I’ve claimed. But the exception doesn’t refute the rule. There was an interesting study done on college aged women where 96% reported a height requirement for…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 08:52 PM
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I guess. Maybe. But I have a intuition that exposure to RP truths help young men but can hurt young women. I have no evidence for this though. But I would think that non-jaded young ladies are in the best position to secure great male partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 07:57 PM
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But you really shouldn’t be thinking about these topics at your age. You should be studying for exams and playing My Little Pony. If you try to grow up too fast, you might end up like some of the women on this forum who don’t accept that their desirability reduces with age, and who believe that basic human biology is “the patriarchy”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 07:50 PM
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Actually, I would absolutely choose my college based on sexual access if I had a time machine. You rarely use anything you learned in college and it’s really all about the credentials. Plus, it’s much easier to get laid and find a partner in college than it is in the real world. If I could go back in time, I’d attend the school with the best female to male ratio in an acceptable academic tier. So, I wouldn’t pass up Harvard to go to State University because the gender ratio was better. But I wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 09:05 PM
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So. We may have to agree to disagree on this, but I will leave you with this one simple concept to see if we can find common ground. Who has the capacity to understand the most about childbirth, a male OBGYN doctor or a mother? I’d say that the mother has the greatest capacity because she can hypothetically learn everything the doctor knows but the doctor will never have access to some of the knowledge of childbirth that the mother will know through experience. The same can be said for seduction…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 08:47 PM
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There was a great comment on menslib… Yikes! Yikesoreno good buddy. That’s where I stopped reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 08:26 PM
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High school is better, but not for the reasons you suggest. It’s better simply because it’s a super enclosed environment. If you’re not a traditionally attractive guy, you can still demonstrate your value over time because you are with these same girls everyday. In college, that is less true. First impressions mean a lot more. In the real world, first impressions mean almost everything. In the real world, you have very little time to demonstrate your value to women whom you don’t know. Mere seco…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 08:21 PM
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Exactly. Almost every girl on sugar sites publicly claim that they are not giving anything to these older men but some time and conversation. This is because (1) prostitution is illegal and (2) they don’t want to turn off younger men whom they may want to LTR in the future. These young women don’t want to be perceived as sluts and so they perpetuate this lie and even folks who are RP aware believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 12:24 PM
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True. All men pay. The only thing that changes is the price.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 01:21 AM
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The guy is still paying for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 01:19 AM
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A woman with high n-count who can be brutally honest Huh? Having a high n-count is not difficult for a woman. I don’t understand how that is helpful. Also, how is she going to give you advice on sleeping with women when she is just one woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 06:58 PM
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Whenever you see ANY guy with a hot chick, he’s paying for it. Whether he knows it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 06:31 PM
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Like I said it my post, things like gambling and lotto are predatory because there is a degree of lying and dishonesty involved. I disagree. In the lotto, the mathematical odds are published and even written on the back of the ticket. Also, casinos are regulated so that they cannot cheat their customers. They deliberately open up shop in poor neighbourhoods where they know people are desperate. This is exactly like the OF example. They market to desperate men. If you go to any porn subreddit and…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 06:24 PM
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Then they have an arrangement. But it's been 6 months and the woman's been getting the money she wants but the older man isn't getting the sex he wants. Most older men are not this stupid. This is the fantasy the young women want you to believe. They are fucking these men or at least giving them sexual favors. A 50 year old guy is going to be way more savvy than a 23 year old girl. What you’re describing is not a thing that is common. He is going to demand sex within the first week and cut her o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 12:05 PM
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Unrestrained sexual freedom is good for the individual of both genders, but bad for society. It’s like free market capitalism but society doesn’t benefit because the value created cannot be transferred, exchanged, or stored.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 12:00 PM
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This is a fine argument if you apply it evenly. However, we don’t apply it to casinos, or the lotto, or loan sharking, or high interest consumer debt, or pyramid schemes. Just because something is consensual and fills a need doesn’t mean it’s not predatory. At least by today’s standards. I’m a free market guy and I agree with you in principal. But there are a bunch of Reddit idiots on this site who say that employing someone to do a job for less than “a living wage” is predatory. But these same …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 11:54 AM
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This is sort of how I look at it. But I’ll try to explain the other side of the argument. These guys are more upset with OF than regular porn sites because OF is normalizing sex work for ordinary young women who are not professionals. The idea is that creating a society where sex work is a social norm erodes monogamy and reduces the utility off men to that of customers. There is also the problem of hypergamy in that women who make fast money are no longer able to find a partner who is higher on …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 11:28 AM
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Yep. When the women complains, it’s almost always that the man is tired of constant rejection, or the woman got fat and so she’s now unattractive and is unaware of this, or the guy is cheating and is getting sex on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 11:12 AM
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I mean, it’s predatory in the same way casinos are predatory. For some people, it’s just occasional consensual entertainment. But both the porn industry and the gambling industry know that a certain percentage of its customer base will develop an unhealthy compulsion with its product. Also, OF is worse than gambling because sexual release is a core need for men, but risk seeking is not as core. Both industries prey on our base desires, but the desire for reproduction is way more fundamental.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 11:08 AM
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But think about it. If they just want someone to talk to, why pay a young attractive girl if it isn’t sexual? I’m not saying you’re completely wrong. There may be a few older men who are that gullible. But most older men who have made enough money to be on sugar sites are worldly and not stupid. The girls want you to believe that they are doing nothing for the money, but MOST are doing sexual favors in exchange for money/gifts/rent/etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 11:00 AM
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I’ve talked to women who have no problem using older men for their money without giving them sex and they’re proud of it. Because they’re good looking and deserve it of course. It’s the glorified sugar daddy culture. I’ve heard of this but I don’t believe it. They’re fucking these men but they’re telling you something else. No older man is going to sponsor an attractive young woman and get no sexual favors in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 04:11 AM
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It just gets filled, and then replaced with another $1M job at another company. Wrong again. HVM are a limited resource. The number of individuals across any hierarchy form a normal distribution (a bell curve). Think of it like this. Let’s look at the dimension of income, just to make things easy. Is there an unlimited number of male millionaires? No. There are far more beautiful and young woman than millionaires to go around. In a monogamous society, these guys come out of the equation. The wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 10:06 PM
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If I am not even able to crack my own code, the manosphere sure as hell won’t be able to either. That’s where you are mistaken. It’s the men who have to understand female sexuality because it’s the men who have to pursue. The women do not pursue generally and so they have no innate access to their own sexual desires. In fact, there are studies which show that women do not know what turns them on. (Study: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2007-17941-013) - (Article about the study: https://www.queen…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 10:00 PM
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You’re still confused. You don’t count the men who are in a relationship. In your example, we are talking about no $1M salary jobs verses 999 $100K jobs. The 999 $100K jobs is polygamy where the competition is fierce. There are millions of women competing for those jobs. In the monogamy situation, there is less competition because the $1 Million job doesn’t exist. It’s been taken. You’ll have to get one of the many jobs that pay $50K a year. There is less competition for those jobs and that’s al…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 09:43 PM
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However, the enlightenment basis of the modern secular liberal society does not want to state that explicitly, It’s worse than that. Neoliberal societies with Marxist social tendencies (like the U.S. and other modern Western countries) actively discourage, shame, and censor the idea that value hierarchies persist under a collective framework. The 80/20 rule persists, and no amount of “we are all in this together” is going to change that. But this fact becoming widespread knowledge collapses the …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 11:49 AM
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Capitalism is extremely beneficial to people’s quality of life and their well-being indirectly. But yes, social media has expanded the SMP for women and made it much more competitive for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 04:07 AM
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Men don’t care about body count unless they’re going to take a girl seriously. That’s why TRP usually doesn’t advocate commitment and certainly not marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 03:45 AM
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No, the fear isn't that men "stop contributing and drop out", the threat of starvation prevents that, the fear is that men stand up and break their chains. Yeah, no. This will never happen. Men aren’t going to engage in some sort of revolution because mating opportunities become scarce. This is because men are still in competition for the few women who are available. What’s more likely is that more and more men will just disengage from society. This is already happening in Japan and it’s even st…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 03:38 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_of_Saudi_Arabia Abdullah married the daughters of the al Shalan of Anizah, al Fayz of Bani Sakhr, and al Jarbah of the Iraqi branch of the Shammar tribe.[18] He had about 30 wives,[94][95][96][97] and fathered 36 children Also, if you look at my comments, I specifically said that these modern societies are monogamous, even though Islam allows multiple wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 09:46 PM
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No. Women all over the world will gladly share high value men. It's not slavery. It's the state of nature when there is no social norm for monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 09:41 PM
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But those positions get filled very quickly in a monogamous society. In a polygamous society, they are never filled and the pressure is always on.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 09:40 PM
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If only 1 woman can have 1 man, then there is more competition for the top tier men, not less. Until that position is filled. In a polygamous society, that position is never filled. It's an ongoing competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 07:51 PM
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So, it wasn't uncommon for harems in the ancient world to contain 50 or 60 women. There are Saudi Royals with more wives than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 07:47 PM
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I disagree. It's not about "oppression". It's about polygamy versus monogamy. Sharia does allow for multiple wives, but only if you are very rich and can provide for them equally. These are still basically monogamous societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 06:52 PM
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This doesn't make any sense. A polygamous society would result in more positions opening up for one man, like multiple roles opening for the same company. That decreases competition, not increases it. Wait, what? No. It's not men who do the picking. It's women who do the picking. The competition increases among women because they have way more competition for access to the top men. In a monogamous situation, many of the top men are cut off from them and they're taken out of the equation. Think o…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 06:45 PM
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Two things can be true at one. Most men loose in a polygamous society AND female competition for top men becomes way more extreme....thus increasing beauty standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 06:35 PM
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What does?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 06:34 PM
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Top men would call the shots, and many women would be able to still get what they want, but the majority of men would lose out. This is what I said. A society cannot function if the majority of men lose out. Men won't contribute to society unless they have "buy in". This is why monogamy was created and those societies flourished. Also, the female competition for those top men would be extremely tough in a polygamous society.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 06:31 PM
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Maybe he meant women having multiple husbands will solve the problem That's not a thing that will happen. Nature allows for numerous women to gladly share a single man. But nature doesn't allow men to share a single woman. That won't work because men are evolutionary designed to be disgusted by false paternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 06:29 PM
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well in most species men look better just check lion and bird. This is because males are competing to attract female attention. Humans have big brains and men compete for females through their accomplishments. Money and social status being prominent contemporary measures of that. It also explains why almost all of the "builders" and inventors throughout history have been men. It's not because of discrimination. It's because we don't have big manes or colorful feathers to attract females.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 06:26 PM
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Exactly. Men are much more scarce in a polygamous society. Remember, women are hypergamous. Monogamy ensures that men are plentiful because the top men get taken up by one woman each. In a polygamous society, these top men have unlimited options and so men become scarce. These women will all be competing from a handful of men and now they can actually have them (unlike in a monogamous society).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 06:23 PM
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Which one of these is it? I will give you the first one, but the second one is a little too spicy. It's both. (1) Women find superiority attractive. That is, they are likely to be attracted to the most superior man in the room. (2) Women exclusively find those superior to themselves attractive. That is, a woman will not be attracted to a man who she perceives as below her. Only because they don’t have access to the women who are better looking than them. If they had, they would never touch the u…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 06:20 PM
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That's true but male beauty is much harder to change and males are judged more on their social status than their beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 12:01 PM
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It started for men with guys like Zyzz on youtube We’re all going to make it, bruh!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 11:33 AM
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So unless that we live in a culture that polygyny is accepted. The author of beauty standard for female are the highest value males because everyone see them as their potential partner not the average male. This is where you lost me. A polygamous society would increase beauty standards, not reduce them. The mate competition pressures put on women would increase tremendously in a polygamous society. Remember that women are hypergamous. In a monogamous society, the top men can only commit to one l…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 11:23 AM
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No. What? Women have been finding ways to make themselves look more attractive from the start of humans. Female beauty is not a social construct. It’s biology. That’s why the cosmetics industry is recession proof. You can’t get rid of the female desire to be beautiful without getting rid of male’s love of female beauty. And this isn’t going to happen because biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 11:19 AM
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I don’t completely disagree. I’m not an incel but I’ve read some black pill forums. My guess is that they would say that it’s less about sex and more about the desire. That is, they don’t want sex per se…they want a woman to desire them. I think this is why they say there is no such thing as a female incel. A woman can always find a man to desire her. Not so for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 11:11 AM
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And who says they have to be women? If someone of the same sex is willing to have sex with you, you cannot say no one is interested in having sex with you just because you are not interested in them. Wow. Just wow. No. I’m not willing to say that a guy isn’t an incel because he is straight and chooses not to have sex with a man. Also, prostitution exists. I think incels would not count prostitution. They want intimacy from a woman who desires them. Also, many self-described incels admit they do …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 03:53 AM
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There is also no such thing as a male incel. We have twice as many mothers in our ancestral past than we have fathers. That proves that you are wrong. About half of men in our ancestral past reproduced while 99% of women reproduced. Plus, women are hypergamous. Men at the bottom of social hierarchies have a hard time finding willing partners. Some percentage of those men will never find a woman willing to have sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 02:50 AM
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I think we still have these base desires but a successful societies creates these conventions which discourage those base desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 02:45 AM
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Jay-Z is richer and more famous. But regardless, we know he is higher status because he could easily leave the relationship but Beyonce can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:54 AM
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Eh...It depends. It's not the primary reason they date you. But plenty of women would date Chad primarily for sex; depending on the phase of life of the woman. A 22 year old college girl would absolutely date Chad just for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:40 AM
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Of course age and height are dimensions of social hierarchy. Do you really think very young people and very old people are treated the same in society? Do you really think tall men and short men are treated the same in society?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:37 AM
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I'll watch it later. As a rule, I don't watch these sorts of SJW type channels because it's not an accurate reflection of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:35 AM
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My best guess is that this is what you mean. Did I understand your point correctly? Not really, no. I think that graph is mostly true, but I'm talking about something even more basic. Men do not look for female partners that are better than them. Men gladly have sex with women who are better looking than them or worse looking, taller than them or shorter than them, richer than them or poorer than them, younger than them or older than them, etc. Men do not care about the hierarchy at all. The nam…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:34 AM
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Beyoncé and Jay-Z? This might be just observational evidence but that’s the same case for basically all red pill philosophy. You think Beyonce has a higher social status than Jay-Z? No. Not by a long shot. We know this because Jay-Z cheated on Beyonce and she didn't leave him. She couldn't leave him. There are so few men in the world with a higher social status than Jay-Z that she had no choice but to stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:24 AM
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I'm confused. You need a scientific paper to say that men want to have sex with as many women as possible and women want the best men available to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:23 AM
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Women don't desire men or sex lol. They fuck for a means to an end. I don’t think this is true. Can you explain this a bit more? Are you saying women do not desire sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:03 PM
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So all women have a low sex drive? I disagree. I think hypergamy is a key concept because it explains how female desire operates. There are women with high sex drives and women with low sex drives, but all women are hypergamous. A woman with a high sex drive is still only fucking men above her; preferably men above most other men (Chads). Meanwhile, a man with a high sex drive is trying to fuck women above him, below him, on his level….whatever. He doesn’t care about the hierarchy at all. He jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:00 PM
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Absolutely. He's probably much taller than her, much fitter than her, and much younger than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 06:42 PM
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Very true. Also, the next man always has to be better than any of the ones that came before him (in general). Thus the "Alpha Widow" phenomenon. But that's more just a corollary to hypergamy. Plenty of women can override the urge to always be with the best man they've ever been with. But almost no women can override the basic rule of hypergamy: The man must be perceived (by her) to be above the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 06:30 PM
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In a societal vacuum women prefer quality over quantity of mates, whereas men would opt for quantity over quality. The issue is that in the 21st century a male cannot exercise his option for quantity without sacrificing his highest quality female option (his beautiful girlfriend will be hella pissed if he fucks the cleaning lady). So even if polygamy does describe male desire, it doesn't really matter when enforced (serial) monogamy is the social normal. Men would prefer to ditch their vast opti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 06:27 PM
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Chad only fucks the overweight aging housewife because he doesn’t have access to the hotties at that moment. Correct. Which shows the difference between men and women. Chad fucks the overweight aging housewife because he doesn't have access to the hottie at the moment. But Stacy fucks no one if she doesn't have access to Chad at the moment. Stacy is hypergamous while Chad is polygamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 06:23 PM
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So what is your opinion on what is morally superior, if either one is?: Hypergamy or polygamy? Bonus: Which one is more likely to cheat? I don't think morality comes into it at all. Sexual desire is an amoral impulse. However, I think both polygamy and hypergamy are bad for society if unrestrained. It's bad for society if men go around fucking as many women as possible. And it's bad for society if women only fuck the highest status men, ignoring the average men all around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 06:21 PM
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Nope. Hypergamy is the mechanism by which sexual attraction operates in women. It's about desire. You're still looking at the dictionary definition which is "marrying up". That has nothing to do with the TRP definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 06:18 PM
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Wow you changed the entire meaning of my post. I am talking about the sexual desires of men and women. It is certainly all about who men/women would fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 05:15 AM
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So the non-gendered definition is the urge to procreate with those above them across social hierarchies, correct? As opposed to the mating strategy of procreate across a population. There are only two strategies. Quality (hypergamy) or Quantity (polygamy). Males are polygamous while females are hypergamous. What percentage of men practice hypergamy? None. So not being hypergamous is like a birth defect? That what you're arguing? You can not have an ear by more means than from a birth defect.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:09 AM
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But if height conveys social privilege which enables those men to benefit from female hypergamy, then wouldn't men chasing the prettiest women also be considered hypergamy by your definition (which I don't quite agree with), since being pretty equally confers social privilege for women? Men will fuck women who are not the prettiest. They will fuck women who are below them. It's women who will not fuck men whom they perceive as below them. Also I'd say looks only predict social status/class but d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:06 AM
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Lastly, what is your personal definition of "hypergamous"? The accepted TRP definition of hypergamy is in the OP. what percentage of women are hypergamous? That's like asking what percentage of woman have a womb. Essentially all women. Maybe not literally all women, but enough to make it definitional.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 02:57 AM
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Are you following? It feels like you're taking crazy pills because there's no room for disagreement if we start a debate taking TRP definitions for granted. Using the TRP definitions are necessary because we are discussing TRP concept. It doesn't make sense to use the dictionary definition of a word we are using the convey something different. I laid out the definitions and you realize that my statements are true and so you're trying to change the definitions. That won't work because the concept…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 01:39 AM
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There is no such thing as a female incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 01:14 AM
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This proves my point. A few top men with harems of women was the natural way. Women freely expressing their hypergamy by sharing a high status male and men expressing their desire for polygamy. However, monogamy was developed because the natural state was bad for social cohesion and building civilizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 01:13 AM
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Which part was extraordinary?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 01:10 AM
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Facts are not misogyny my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 01:10 AM
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I can assure you that I wouldn’t be surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 01:09 AM
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Men are protectors and providers, period. No. Not modern men. As time goes on, there will be more and more modern men as the traditional men die out or partner off. I suspect that a female baby born today will have more options for modern men than traditional men. Of course, the idea is that the State will replace the social responsibilities of the traditional man. The problem with this is that The State giveith and The State takeith away.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 12:21 AM
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This is true. But it doesn’t make hypergamy any less true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 12:05 AM
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I actually agree. It’s a damn shame. Sex work is being normalize and I bet even a female lawyer could do Onlyfans on the side without even being fired from her firm in more leftist states.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 12:04 AM
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There are always rare exception to the rules, but biological facts apply to 99% of any population. For instance “humans have two ears” is a biological fact. Sure, one percent of humans do not have two ears for one reason or another. But the exception doesn’t make the rule. Just as “humans have two ears”, “women are hypergamous”. Are there women who aren’t hypergamous? Maybe. But the exception doesn’t make the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 11:59 PM
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just because you have a base instinct you’re doomed to act on it or give way from your larger desires? I'm not arguing that people do not have free will to ignore their base desires. I'm merely presenting the fundamental mechanism at work which describes why people make the romantic choices that they make. TRP doesn't produce "ought" theories, it produces "is" theories. I don't care if you ignore your base urges or not. But most women do not ignore their base urges because the social stigmas whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 11:08 PM
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Amen brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 11:05 PM
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Humans are nothing if not adaptive. The question isn't whether humans will adapt. We will. The question is whether those adaptations will increase or decrease human suffering and social cohesion. (grabs popcorn)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 11:02 PM
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So… why do men desire to fuck as many WOMEN as possible, as opposed to simply fucking each other? Is that not because women possess things that men do not have? Wombs, perhaps? I guess. Don't see how that furthers your argument though. I pretty much agree with you on your last point, society would not have been built were it not for women’s hypergamy. Men had to come up with a solution to gain access to sex, and giving individual women exclusive provision and protection in exchange for easier ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 10:55 PM
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Read the OP. Polygamy describes male sexual desires. I'm not talking about marriage or the Webster's definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 10:36 PM
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Are you serious right now? Yes, all women do this. It's basic biology that women don't just fuck any man who wants to fuck them. The man has to go through the hypergamy checklist. Is he tall enough? Is he socially calibrated enough (i.e. charming). What is his social status? (does he have a job and which job?). Etc. These are basic questions women try to deduce in the first 10 minutes of meeting a man. If he doesn't check enough hypergamy boxes, then no relationship can form.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 10:32 PM
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Post the link to your comment. I didn't see anything that warranted a response.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 10:29 PM
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You can't create a concept of SMV and rate women's attractiveness out of 10 and then argue that you feel the same when looking at a 4/10 compared to a 9/10... It's not about feelings. Men want sexual abundance. Think of it like pizza. TRP talks about how to get access to that expensive Deep Dish Pizza Hut pizza hot out of the oven. But, while some pizza is better than others, most of us would take a cold slice of Little Caesar's pizza in a pinch. Cold pizza isn't great, but it's still pretty goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 10:28 PM
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“be chad or rope to avoid dying alone”. That's black pill...not TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 10:23 PM
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I've never heard a Red Pill man talk about fat/obese women without insinuating he avoids them like the plague, let alone admitting he'd sleep with them. You're an anomaly. I'm not talking about RP men. I'm talking about all men. Fat women have no problems getting laid when they want. They have a problem finding commitment. Here we are just talking about sexual strategy. Even high status men will fuck a fat woman when other options aren't available at the time he has an itch for whatever reason. …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 10:21 PM
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Well, I guess people say you are attracted to the best genetic material/best provider (to ensure survival of genetic material), right? No. Women do that. Not men. Men spread their seed. It's a numbers game for men. Men are about quantity while women are about quality. It has an inherent contradiction in that the best provider may not be the best genetic material, but I’m sure the theory hamsters in an explanation for that too. The best provider is almost never the guy with the best genetic mater…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 10:16 PM
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Are you willing to sleep with every single woman on this planet who shows you interest? Probably 80%. Me and most other men. Meanwhile, women would be willing to sleep with maybe 1% of single men on this planet who shows interest (from the perspective of an average American woman). This is the difference between polygamy and hypergamy. Also, some women very much do desire sexual diversity and a variety of sexual partners. Huuuh? Have you never heard TRP bitch about how women are all fucking mult…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 08:17 PM
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Wait? You consider yourself RP? How could you be RP and not believe in or understand hypergamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 08:07 PM
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The real understanding is that hypergamy doesn't work off actual social status but perceived social status via the woman watching the BEHAVIOR of the man. That's the source of confusion on all these "debates". Yes. Good point. But when we are talking about social status, perception is reality. Social status is nothing but perception. But that distinction is more accurate. But yes, hypergamy in women is just people redefining common sense that has existed for millions of years, so whoever's argui…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 08:06 PM
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Men are hypergamous, just as women are. Good Lord. Men are attracted to women for the things that they do not have themselves, ie femininity, beauty, softness, youth, playfulness. Naw. We just want to fuck as many women as possible before dying. That is how base male desire works. Now, it's different when you put social norms over those desires and we need to find a marriage partner. but if the only reason men valued women is to satisfy a sexual urge, and to spread the seed, then why would we ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 08:02 PM
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We are talking past each other at this point. Read my OP again. I think you're reasonable enough to agree if you read it carefully and with an open mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:57 PM
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Hypergamy can be explained by simply wanting power, or at least security, especially when it is thought to be possible to achieve by mating up. Men can't find that (at least not power, sometimes security after a fashion) in a woman so they don't look to women for it. This is somewhat interesting in that I've never heard it explained like that. But even still, it's begging the question because you can't explain WHY women look for security in the first place without the concept of hypergamy itself…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:53 PM
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It proves that polygamy is true. That example doesn't prove that hypergamy is correct...but take my word for it mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:49 PM
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For example I watch a ton of office porn but not once have I considered making a move on a colleague just for sex. That’d be completely insane But the reason you don't do this is because of social convention. Not because you wouldn't desire to fuck some of your office colleagues if there were mutual attraction and no negative social consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:44 PM
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It does map onto human behavior. But we do also have social conventions to discourage some of the natural desires which are bad for society. This is where a lot of gender norms come from. Unfortunately, feminism has eroded many of these time tested social conventions and hypergamy is becoming increasingly unleashed. The desperate housewives of the 1950's wanted to act out their hypergamous nature to the same degree as the Instagram THOTs of today. But social conventions restrained that behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:42 PM
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Your post says “all men would generally prefer unlimited sexual partners given the opportunity” and I’m telling you this isn’t true. What I jack off do has no bearing on this. Come on bro. Who are you trying to fool here?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:38 PM
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Sometimes I wonder if RP just applies to men and women with zero impulse control RP simply reveals the underlying desires of men and women (the truths of intersexual dynamics). I don't think RP takes a position of how things should be or how social conventions can temper natural desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:35 PM
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Okay, then you've proved my point. Your sexual desires are polygamous...NOT hypergamous. Women can also control themselves. They don't have to go out and fuck the tallest, most dominant meathead in the office, but that's who she sexually desires. At the very least, she wants a man who is better than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:32 PM
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LOL. It's hilarious that you grouped Syrian in with short, obese, and unemployed. But no, this doesn't prove anything without knowing more. It doesn't look like I will be able to change your mind. But is Zach shorter than his partner? Carl is obese, but what does Carl do for a living and what does his partner do? Are you sure these couples are in a sexual relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:30 PM
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When you consume porn, are you only jacking to women after you know they will make good mothers? Or do you jack to a broad variety of good looking women without regard to their personalities or fitness for motherhood?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:26 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:25 PM
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But by the same token, I don't think women desiring taller men can be strictly considered hypergamy either, in the sense that being tall doesn't always imply that a man is of higher social class. I'd argue that it does. Height conveys an enormous social privilege among males. Tall privilege is to males what "pretty privilege" is to females. I think it's hard to argue that tall men don't have higher social status than short men simply looking at the hierarchical dimension of height. Nor is it unh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:24 PM
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Do you consume porn, bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:17 PM
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This is not a thing. Adam has to check a bunch of hypergamy boxes for this to happen. In no circumstances does this happen because "Adam is cool to Beth".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:16 PM
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IDK. I think the average person is bluepilled. Look at how shocked many women are from hearing even basic RP concepts and biological truths. Looking at the behavior of most young women, I'm not even sure they are aware that their romantic options will dramatically reduce with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:15 PM
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Was she older than you and taller than you as well? Hint: Read the OP. Also, maybe she is your ex because hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 07:12 PM
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Wow. Can you describe a sexual relationship in which the woman is not hypergamous?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 06:56 PM
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And yet, this post is only 67% upvoted. I suspect about 90% of reddit aren't aware of hypergamy or don't understand or accept it, and probably 75% of PPD don't accept the truth of hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 06:54 PM
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Yes, you're going to see people (yes, both men and women) with a mindset like "I'm an individual of quality and I deserve a partner of quality," where "quality" is based in certain social expectations. I don't think you will ever find a man whose sexual desire cares about "partnerships" with women. Male sexual desires don't work that way. Remember that I'm talking about sexual desires and not "relationship attraction" or "relationship values". You're going to find more people who just meet someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 06:38 PM
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Yes. Feminism has eroded the blue pill social convention that women are victims of "deadbeat men" who trick them into having babies with the false promise of commitment and fatherhood. Young (modern) men now understand that to be a lie. Women are not victims and these young men realize that women CHOOSE to have babies with men who they find sexy (i.e., the "best" genetic material) even when they know (or don't care) that these men will make bad fathers. With this being the case, single mothers a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 05:46 PM
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Yes. Also this strawman argument is tiring. Modern men don’t care why you decided to have a baby. It’s the woman’s responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 04:13 PM
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That's not true. When Onlyfans is done, Subway will be hiring.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 02:41 PM
2

all of this growing poverty Huuu? You mean "all of this growing prosperity" right? The idea that every generation is getting poorer and poorer is a socialist lie. The data doesn't back it up. Not in nominal terms or in real terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 02:41 PM
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Yep. The welfare state established in the 1960's created a lot of the social problems we see today.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 02:38 PM
12

LOL. Just wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 02:33 PM
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Please stop trying to claim 'men have no reproductive rights'. If the men in question want to disavow a child then they've already reproduced. Relinquishing parental responsibility has nothing to do with reproductive rights. I would agree that a man would need to legally disassociate himself and his responsibilities BEFORE the baby is born and BEFORE the woman has lost the legal ability to terminate the pregnancy. Such a rule would give men full reproductive rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 02:31 PM
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The issue would be sex with a minor. That is (and should be illegal) for a reason. Aside from that, women get to pick who is born. Simply don't bring any babies into this world if you don't want them. And if you do want the baby, it's the woman's responsibility now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 02:28 PM
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Sex is not reproduction. This is where you're confused. Men have rights when it comes to sex (to use a condom or not). But none when it comes to reproduction (having a baby or not). Women are the only one with rights when it comes to reproduction. If they want to have a child...they have a child. If they don't want to have a child...they don't have a child. The man has no say about who gets born and who doesn't. Men only have semi-equal rights when it comes to sex. They have no rights in terms o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 02:25 PM
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Teen girls, unless they fucked their age-mates, are still victems of manipulative older men that talk them out of using birth control. As per the statistics. No. Women pick who gets born. Ultimate choice comes with ultimate responsibility. Now that feminism has destroyed our gender norms, there is no longer any reason to feel sorry for these women. Therefore, modern men don’t feel guilty passing them by.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 11:36 AM
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and Joseph is Jesus's stepfather, This made me chuckle. I’m not a religious scholar but I don’t think that counts. Being the “step-father” to the son of God through virgin birth doesn’t seem like the same thing as a woman who voluntarily made a bunch of bad choices and now wants to settle for you. I'm not asking those here why they wouldn't date a single mom, I am asking what caused this societal shift to occur? Feminism and the absolute breakdown of social gender norms. I suspect that not wanti…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 11:30 AM
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I don’t think men should have a say in who is born or not. But I think it would be reasonable that men are allowed to disavow a child and thereby relinquish all responsibility for it IF he doesn’t want the child to be born.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 09:41 PM
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Don’t blame the woman for getting pregnant when it was 100% the mans decision to cum inside of her unprotected. No. Sometimes it’s not the man’s intent. Condoms fail. And if a condom does fail, he still has no say in whether the baby is born or not. You seem to be confused. It’s women who have the final say in who gets born and who doesn’t. It’s women who have 100% of the reproductive rights and 100% of the responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 11:03 AM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 11:00 AM
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Being able to use contraception is literally part of reproductive rights. Men just have no accountability. Women are the gatekeepers of sex and can usually dictate contraception terms to men. But that’s not the point. Regardless of what men do in the bedroom, it’s WOMEN who have the final say on who gets born and who doesn’t. Not sure why this is hard to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 10:59 AM
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You have reproductive rights, you just want to control women's reproductive rights. No. I don’t. I’m just stating the obvious. Men have no say in who gets born and who doesn’t in the United States. And no rights = no responsibility. It’s as simple as that. I’m not saying men should be able to force women to have a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 10:54 AM
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That is just the sex part. Once egg meets sperm, the entire choice rests with the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 04:13 AM
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why give men more reproductive rights? I’m not arguing for men to have reproductive rights. I’m saying, “no rights = no responsibility”. It’s women who decide who is born and who is not. So the unwed mother household problem is 100% the fault of women. Don’t blame the deadbeat fathers because it’s the women who have 100% choice to have a baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 04:11 AM
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No. Men have no reproductive rights in the United States. It takes two people to have sex, but only women determine who gets born and who doesn’t. Births are completely the responsibility of women. They take all of both the praise and the blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 09:14 PM
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Women often feel disgust at the thought of having sex with a man she doesn't completely know and trust. This just doesn’t pass the smell test. Maybe this is how things used to be before social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 09:11 PM
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Black pilled folks (incels) believe that the game is rigged. It’s a shame that their philosophy is banned because it has a lot of holes in it. It would be better if incels could actually debate their views in the open to have their views challenged. Instead, they are ostracized and they become more radical.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 08:59 PM
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Which is my point the whole time. Women are attracted to high status men. But men are NOT attracted to high status women. Men only care about female beauty/youth/chastity. Women are attracted to male looks/status/"game" (where "game" is just shorthand for the expression of dark triad characteristics).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 07:23 PM
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Naw bro. Modern “careerist” women aren’t usually interested in being housewives. You’re setting yourself up for disappointment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 10:21 AM
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What is there not to understand? Oprah is not considered an attractive woman and she is literally one of the richest women in the world. Tilda Swinton, Whoopi Goldberg, and Lizzo are three famous and high status women who immediately spring to mind as unattractive. Lizzo is wildly unattractive. Jaw-droppingly so. Meanwhile, can you think of any equally famous men who would have trouble with women? I can only thing of maybe one dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 01:33 AM
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Same with careerist women, if a woman is able to make a lot of money or advance in a difficult career, it demonstrates her competence, which indicates a level of competence elsewhere, such as in household management, Huuh?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 01:23 AM
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high status meaning high social status. So celebrities, rich people, community leaders, politicians, high profile business people, athletes, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 01:06 AM
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I don't think any of us asked him. (Also, this isn't something most men talk about. There is no "bad sex". That's like asking a guy if a piss he took was "good" or "bad". It's almost nonsensical).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 12:47 AM
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Guys who are 8/9s certainly don't partner with 2/3 women...but they will absolutely fuck a 2/3 woman. I've seen it often. Some guys just need a release, and if you're a dude who is a 8/9, you don't have to masturbate. You can have sex everyday if you want, and sometimes those guys fuck 2/3 women. There was actually a thread here the other day in which a fat women genuinely believed that men are generally attracted to fat women but are really just ashamed to be with them. In actuality, these are …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 12:45 AM
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I'm confused by what you mean. A lot of high status women are ugly to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 12:41 AM
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I don’t believe you. It’s a biology thing, not a cultural thing. Most men can fuck like 85% to 90% or all women and maintain an erection. Now, maybe 10% of women are too gross for most men to be able to fuck, but plenty of fat women have no problems getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:00 AM
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Probably because guys will plug almost anything. Even guys who are 8’s and 9’s will have sex with women who are 2’s and 3’s. I had a buddy in college that women loved. He told us that he had sex with a cafeteria worker who was in her 50’s and probably a solid “2” with missing teeth. I know that’s just one extreme example, but most men have almost no standards when it comes to just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:56 AM
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Obese women have no problem getting dick though. They will have a hard time getting relationships but almost any man will have sex with almost any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 06:09 PM
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I disagree because Onlyfans women give men the illusion of being attainable without the risk of rejection. Attainable women in real life come with the fear of rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 06:00 PM
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The platform is designed to make them seem attainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 02:12 PM
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Nope. Onlyfans became huge because it triggered something in male brains that accessible and “attainable” girls (‘the girl next door’) are hotter than distant and unattainable girls. The whole platform is designed to create the illusion that the girls are interacting with the guy personally and many of the girls are not super classically attractive. For women, it’s the opposite. The hottest men are the ones who are “unattainable” and distant. That’s why Instagram had fucked the dating market. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 01:57 PM
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This was the Trump Doctrine. But Biden has fucked it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 12:57 PM
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We need to be significantly downsizing our military and moving that money into single payer healthcare and free college Um no. If we downsize our military, that surplus needs to go towards tax cuts and reducing the size of government. Giving local control back to the states. If a state wants to waste its money on “free college”, then that’s cool…I can move to a different state. But don’t spend Federal money on things that aren’t core government missions like Defense, Foreign relations, and resol…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 12:56 PM
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I'm not going to keep going over this. If you can't say that Biden was the one who made the deal with the Taliban to free all those soldiers while leaving the Afghan government out of the discussion, if you can't argue that he started the removal of our troops, then nothing you just said was in any way true You do realize that new presidents can reverse the policies of the prior presidents, right? Biden made the choice to continue the Trump policy in Afghanistan. And what’s worse, he did a shitt…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 12:46 PM
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Biden claimed that he knew the country was fucked. He just thought the Taliban takeover would take months instead of 11 days. So what does it matter if the educated people got out months ago? Plus, I find it funny that you say that we couldn’t break our word to the Taliban and simply stay with a small force, but you’re fine with breaking our word to the brave Afghan citizens who helped us in the war because “it would be bad for the country”. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 03:05 AM
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There were cables from intelligence agencies and officials on the ground in Afghanistan saying that the military was unprepared and the Taliban would take over within days of the US Troops leaving. When Biden was asked about this, he said “we got a lot of cables”. 😡 This asshole just didn’t give a fuck. He was determined to just leave no matter what. He didn’t even bother to come up with an exit strategy. This stunning level of incompetence is going to leave a power vacuum in the region which wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 01:58 AM
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This is an amazingly stupid take. Some things (especially when the risks of failure can be so catastrophic to world peace) have to be done right or not at all. If Biden wasn’t capable of withdrawing competently, then we should have stayed until getting an administration that is competent. Fuck Joe Biden.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 12:55 AM
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We didn’t promise anything to the soldiers. We promised asylum to civilians who helped us in the war before Trump secured the country. There are about 20,000 Afghanis who were promised safe passage and like 300,000 soldiers in the Afghanistan army. Also, if Biden knew Afghanistan would fall to the Taliban, then all the more reason to have started the evacuation months ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 12:53 AM
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He pushed back the date and so he already violated the agreement. He could have ripped the agreement up but chose not to. He took on the responsibility and didn’t do shit for seven months when he should have been evacuating Americans and Afghan nationals who helped us in the war and wanted to leave. Fuck Joe Biden.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 12:25 AM
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We promised them asylum in the US if they helped us. It IS absolutely our job to get them out. It should have been done BEFORE leaving but Biden is an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 12:23 AM
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Sounds to me that you’re saying Biden should have reversed the Trump policy and stayed. He didn’t do that. This is Biden’s fault. If Biden thought the freed Taliban prisoners were going to wreck the Middle East, he should have stayed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 12:22 AM
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Well then you don’t fucking leave until you can safely evacuate everyone who you promised that they could leave. Then you leave. It’s fucking crazy that Biden is trying to say that he couldn’t modify the Trump deal when he already modified it because we were supposed to leave back in May. Plus, he ignored or reversed a ton of other Trump policies. Fuck Joe Biden.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 11:41 PM
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I assume you’re joking. Biden could have stayed if he wanted. This is 100% Biden’s fault. He could have kept troops there, he could have planned for the evacuation, he could have started getting innocent people out months before leaving. This was shocking incompetence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 11:36 PM
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No one thinks that we should be in Afghanistan forever. Trump even said that we would leave. But no one wanted us to leave in this astonishingly incompetent way that creates a breading ground for terrorism, oppression, and human misery.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 11:29 PM
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Sounds like conflating SMV with RMV This is a good point. But I guess I agree with the side of the RP which thinks that hypergamy applies to SMV and RMV. You're 100% correct that hypergamy applies to RMV. But I don't think women can get sexually turned on without hypergamy. So it applies to SMV as well. But I have a broad view of hypergamy. For instance, if you have a narrow view, you probably view hypergamy as only applying to money. That is, "does the guy out earn the woman"? For me, it's much…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 02:20 PM
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It's not advice at all. "Be tall", "Be rich", "Be alpha" are true observations, but you can't really call it "advice". Just like a fish could say "put tasty food on your hook" and you still don't know which bait to use or what rod to use or where to fish or a host of other things that only a fisherman would know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 02:12 PM
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A man should never take dating advice from a woman. Just as a man who wants to learn to fish should not ask the fish. . . He should ask the fisherman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 12:25 PM
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No. I see you abandoned your argument about status after my twin analogy. But you are also mistaken here. I think the confusion here lies in the word “respect”. To me, respect is not optional because women are hypergamous. Can we at least agree that women are hypergamous. That is, they don’t fuck men unless they view him as somehow “better” than her. You’re saying “sex toy”…but a woman would only “toy” with a man whom she views as superior - correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 12:21 PM
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Eh. You’re taking this personally. Let’s agree to disagree. But I agree with you that a guy who is in his 50’s might commit to a woman in her 40’s. But only because he cannot attract a woman in her 20’s. Men of all ages find women from 18 to 25 as the most attractive. Don’t be offended. Men absolutely don’t mind “settling” for sexual access. It’s women who seem to be offended by the idea of “settling” for a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 10:17 PM
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The king had no air conditioning, flies buzzing around, susceptible to die from common diseases, no indoor plumbing, no hot showers, no instant entertainment. You’re right about the concubines, but that is a perk of being a king and not a perk of being rich back then. I modern guy with very little money (but not poor) also has access to sex through modern prostitution. Also, I didn’t say “happiness”. I said quality of life. A poor man in the west in 2021 has a better quality of life than a medie…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 09:30 PM
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Sorry. I didn’t mean to invalidate your experience. I’m just going with the statistics. The guys who are willing to commit to a 40-something year old women tend to have very few options. A more average guy will probably commit for regular sex though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 09:08 PM
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My bad. I meant attracted/aroused. Do you think they can be aroused by a guy they don’t respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 09:01 PM
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🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 07:59 PM
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I assume you are talking about my Medieval king comment? I’d say that my statement is true under almost every metric. Notice how even you had to couch it as “secure housing” instead of just shelter. The standards of living are so comfortable in the modern West that we are concerned with poor people having “secure housing” instead of simply shelter. A standard that would only be enjoyed by the very wealthy in Medieval times. Also, air conditioning, computers, TVs, cell phones, access to cheap and…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 07:55 PM
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Completely delusional You type from your iPhone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 07:50 PM
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No. The single guys on the market are still looking for women under 30 for LTRs and marriage. They will have sex with much older women though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 07:49 PM
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I think you’re wrong. I think male and female libido are very different. I don’t think women are pretending to be physically attracted to status. I think they are being honest. Take two men who are identical twins. One works at a fast food restaurant and the other is a surgeon making $400,000 a year. Not only will the doctor twin be more attractive to women, but they will find him more sexually arousing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 07:47 PM
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Really? You think a woman can love a guy she doesn’t respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 07:37 PM
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I disagree. High status ugly men do fine with women. High status ugly women do not do fine with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 07:35 PM
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A little of topic but “income inequality” is not a real problem. Poverty and lack of a livable income is a problem. “Income inequality” is a Marxist concept which relies on the idea that reward should be detached from contribution/skill/competence/effort/talent/ingenuity. If the bottom of society is getting richer in real terms over time, then it doesn’t matter how rich the top of society gets. The “gap” is totally irrelevant. Even the poorest citizen of a 1st world country lives a better and mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 02:50 PM
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Meh. If you read any incel forum, what they really want is love…not sex. And unfortunately, there is no market for love.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 02:44 PM
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So, let me make sure I understand you. You are saying that men care about status like women care about status. So, you’re saying a man is going to be more aroused by a fat woman who is a doctor versus her identical twin who works retail? I say no. You say yes. Does that describe our positions?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 02:41 PM
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Maybe we have different understandings of “enthusiastic”. This sort of passion only lasts for the start of a relationship if it’s there at all. Or maybe you haven’t had any/many LTRs? 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 02:38 PM
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What you want and what most men get are not even related.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 02:29 PM
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Men care about status just as much. This is demonstrably false. Oprah can't even find a man and she is one of the richest women in the world. Do you think any of the richest men in the world have problems finding a woman? A man only cares if a woman is physically beautiful. Her social status doesn't help her with male arousal one bit. Meanwhile, a physically unattractive male can sexually arouse a female if he's high status enough. Which is why they hide their fat girl attractions. No. They don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 11:34 AM
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I disagree. Women can respect ugly men the same way men can respect ugly men. But respect and sexual attraction are two different things. The black pill conflates them into one. The red pill doesn’t but realizes that respect is a prerequisite for attraction of females.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 10:38 AM
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Yeah, you’re lucky and this isn’t common. Or maybe you have a lower threshold for “enthusiastically”. Most likely, you’re probably just unusually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 04:08 AM
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You’re not more valuable to men. You’re only getting sexual attention. That’s so inexpensive that it’s almost worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 03:55 AM
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Sorry. It sounded like you were making a snarky argument against The Wall based on your limited anecdotal experience. I assume that I was mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 03:52 AM
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Meh. Most men don’t get “enthusiastic” sex without paying for it. “Genuine burning desire” is a rare thing and it only lasts for a season.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 03:45 AM
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I thought RP content was the opposite. That is that a woman has to respect you before she can be attracted (aroused) for you. Not the other way ‘round. What you said does sound like black pill. The black pill might say that women can’t respect ugly men. But that’s because they conflate respect with attraction. That’s why they feel attacked when women simply don’t find them attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 03:41 AM
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That’s not good. If guys were only willing to sleep with you and not seriously date you at your peak, it will be very hard to find commitment in your 30’s or older. Unless you compromise dramatically or stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 03:26 AM
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Meh. “Time wasters” don’t seem like a major problem because that has existed throughout time and the marriage/family/relationship stats have never been this bad. The real problem is that female standards and demands for men are too high thanks to the globalization of the sexual marketplace. And that males near the top of the social hierarchy have too many options and have no reason to settle or engage in marriage. (Again, thanks to the globalization of the SMP). The result is that relationships …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 03:23 AM
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Is it hypocritical for a crack addict to bash drug dealers? I don’t think so personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 03:13 AM
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Agreed. It’s incredible cruel to gaslight people into think that they’re bad people or have bad personalities just because they have a physical trait that they were born with that makes them unattractive to the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 03:06 AM
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I don’t see status on this list. If you think men and women are the same, you’ve already lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 03:03 AM
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There are two different types of male attention. Sexual attention and relationship attention. Male attention for relationship falls off a cliff for women after their mid-30’s (or sometimes early 30’s). But men will have sex with 80 year old women in a pinch. Sexual attention from men is cheap. It’s that LTR/marriage/commitment attention that is expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 02:57 AM
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That’s somewhat true. But an Alpha in his early 20’s is likely to be even more attractive to women when he’s in his 30’s (if he put in the work). So any female LTR is going to have to share him with other females anyway. Most modern women can’t handle that and so they end up settling with betas anyway. Remember that betas are like 80% of all men. So women generally end up marrying or LTR’ing them in the long-run anyway. The problem with this modern Instagram society is that female expectations a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 12:58 PM
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Facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 01:44 AM
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Eh. You might be right. I agree with everything but the last sentence. Most men want more sex. You sort of sound like the folks in the early 2000s who said that anyone who did online dating were losers who couldn’t get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 06:47 PM
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I don’t think so. Guys who are into RP content are not trying to learn how to sleep with older women who have hit The Wall. The Wall is just an honest description of one aspect of sexual dynamics. The Wall is more of a warning to woman than a strategy for men. Think about it. Some top tier men will still have sex with post Wall women. They just won’t commit to them or marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 06:17 PM
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The Wall just refers to the point in a woman’s life when her attractiveness begins to fall off exponentially. For most women, this happens in their early 30’s but I’ve seen some women who are sexually attractive into their mid-30’s. After a woman hits The Wall, she will no longer be able to hold the commitment of the top tier men she desires. Some of the top tier men will still use her for sex from time to time, but none will commit. Meanwhile, men reach their peak sexual attractiveness much lat…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 03:33 PM
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That probably was true back in the 1990’s. Today, many of these RP principles are mainstream and the advice isn’t even considered RP anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 03:21 PM
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It’s not the same. Men don’t care about height but it’s the most important thing for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 03:14 PM
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😂
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 11:39 AM
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Everyone dies alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 11:37 AM
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So if he does well with women for being 6'5" then he doesn't need PUA and never did. But that’s not true. That’s like saying rich people don’t need more money. I guess that’s true, but “need” doesn’t describe the activity of fucking a lot of women or making a lot of money. TRP would have only harmed him. First of all, PUA and TRP are not the same thing. PUA is about using techniques to seduce women while TRP is about understanding sexual dynamics between males and females. But you’re wrong. I kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 11:36 AM
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Meh. One anecdote doesn’t prove this. And you only mentioned one of the three original PUAs. What about Neil Strauss? He did finally divorce last year, but he’s 52 years old at 5’6” and still seems to do well with women. The other original PUA was Mystery. I can’t find anything about his life now, but he’s 6’5” and so I’m sure he does great with women even though he’s damn near 50.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 11:29 AM
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Didn’t he have a nervous breakdown after relentless attacks from feminists and SJWs? It’s ridiculous to say that women are unattracted to middle aged men like men are unattracted to middle aged women. Last I’ve seen, Roosh grew a long beard, became a Christian, and basically fled into hiding.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 11:11 AM
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How many good-looking guys who are deadbeats get women like a click of the finger its cause the woman are physically attracted to him. Very few. More in college when everyone is “broke”. Almost none for people in their 30’s. Most 28 year old women won’t even deal with a good looking bum. i guess status can work but the amount of status you need is too much work so it isn't even reasonable You’ve just destroyed black pill philosophy with one sentence. You should have said “those women are just pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 11:06 AM
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My bad. I’ll edit my comment. It does work for me. But going from like zero to three isn’t a whole lot of proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 10:56 AM
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Wait…you don’t believe in The Wall? You honestly think a 90 year old woman has the same SMV as a 20 year old woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 10:54 AM
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I’m not going to pretend I’m a sex god, and so I’m not the best example of RP truth. But, I’ll say that my interactions with women and understanding female desire have been night and day different after understanding hypergamy. For instance, I’m a fairly short dude and I never understood why woman cared so much about male height until I understood hypergamy. Once I understood that, I realized that my height disadvantage could be somewhat mitigated through other things. This isn’t an obvious thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 10:50 AM
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Bro this STUDY is actually against SJW talking points and fds talking points like many people in this sub have said.blue pill women on here normally say that their attraction Is different in the sense that's it's not as physical but with the height pill you are agreeing that physicall attraction is very important even the most important as it's the first hurdle you get past. I think you’ve missed my point. Female attraction is based on hypergamy, not “looks”. The black pill mistakenly believes t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 10:41 AM
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I mean, all we have are anecdotes and first hand accounts from men describing their success rate before RP and after. But it seems self-evident to me that a person who wants to build an engine from some 300 parts will do better if he has the engine manual. The RP is the manual to sexual dynamics. Without it, you are basically trying to assemble the engine through trial and error. Just understanding the concept of hypergamy gives you a huge advantage in the marketplace unless you’re in that botto…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 10:28 AM
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TRP does not help get you more sexual partners. This is where you’re wrong. Understanding sexual dynamics is the key for fulfilling what women are looking for and allows you to navigate the sexual marketplace. Even the fact that we are competing in a sexual marketplace was originally an RP idea that is more mainstream now, but was an anathema just 20 years ago. I think you’re confused because RP works best when you’ve already got a bunch of other (mostly genetic) traits in your favor. If you’re …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 10:11 AM
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Who do you think will do better the good looking guy with no game or the average guy with no game . Depends. Depends on the gap of attractiveness. It’s like asking “who will win the boxing match, the larger boxer or the smaller boxer?” Again, depends on their skill levels and their relative sizes. There is some point in which no amount of skill can overcome a size advantage. It’s the same with looks versus game. Moreover recent studies say that women and men get sexually attracted in very simila…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 10:00 AM
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It’s not obvious at all. Where is it in popular media that women are aroused by aggressive men? I didn’t even realize height was as big of a deal to women as it is until I was in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 09:47 AM
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He certainly associates with the manosphere. But he doesn’t like the term and recently coined a new term on his show. The Men’s Centric Universe, or the MCU. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 09:42 AM
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What are saying. Many animals (including humans) have similar digestive systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 09:38 AM
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But it’s not though. To say “sexual attraction is based on ‘looks’” is to say that men and women are the same. This fundamental lie is what makes the black pill closer to the blue pill than the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 09:20 AM
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First of all, your whole thread is like saying "if my Grandmother were born with wheels, she'd be a bike". Men and women are not the same and so it's meaningless to say "if you were the other gender, you would behave differently". >Women are hypergamous > Men aren't that interested in dating up when it comes to financial status but absolutely when it comes to looks. The husband leaving his wife for a younger woman is just as much a stereotype as the woman leaving her husband for someone wealthie…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 11:14 PM
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It also depends on what you mean by "prefer". Women certainly prefer high testosterone men for sex partners. But not necessarily for marriage/family/long-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 04:56 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 04:10 PM
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I dont know how to explain sarcasm, so I’ll just say that I meant “women are not attracted to violent men” and I’ll add “emotionally mature women”. To say "emotionally mature women" is just a "no true Scotsman fallacy" that doesn't tell us anything. What I'm saying is that women in general (i.e., the majority of women) are attracted to men who are dominate/aggressive/violent over other men. There is no point in talking about the exceptions to the rule. And I think it’s less of “aggressive and do…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 03:07 AM
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Women aren't just attracted to violent and aggressive men. I don't know where you got that and assumed that women like to be hurt and victims of violence. Did you mean to say “women just aren’t” or “woman aren’t just” (meaning women are attracted to violent men, but not only violent men)? Also, it doesn’t imply that women want to be victims. Women judge men based on other men. So women would be selecting for aggressiveness towards other men. That is, women would be more attracted to men who are …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 02:15 AM
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This is probably part of it, but it's probably even more simple than this. Women are probably generally more attracted to violent and aggressive men, apart from their social status. Yes, women are hypergamous and so social hierarchy is most important, but it would make sense that the most successful men in our evolutionary past were the ones who were the most violent and aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 11:45 PM
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That’s true. But most women enjoy genuine attention from a man they desire and respect. Along with other intangibles you can’t get from a robot. Most men just want sex. You can get that from a robot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 04:13 AM
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That’s just male projection, most women who can’t get a Chad are just thankful to have one. Almost all women can have sex with a chad. Especially if you’re in the top 80% of women in terms of looks. The problem is getting commitment or a monogamous LTR with Chad. That’s damn near impossible and something a top 1% woman would struggle to lock down.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 04:03 AM
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How is the age for men lower than women when women are far more likely to lose their virginity at an earlier age than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 03:58 AM
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Good point. But it amazes me that even in a subreddit like this, the primary driver of female mate selection is ignored. Hypergamy is the cornerstone to pretty much all of the "mysteries" surrounding male/female sexual dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 03:42 PM
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Source? Everything I’ve seen says that women initiate 80% of the divorces and are less likely to pair-bond if they have a high N count. Remember that humans are animals. Pair-bonding is absolutely a scientific framework used to describe behavior within the animal kingdom.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 01:52 PM
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Not sure why you’re saying “people” when men and women are different, have opposing mating strategies, and were exposed to different evolutionary pressures. A high N count makes women less likely to pair-bond. Not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 01:34 PM
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Men are evolutionarily hard-wired to be repulsed by promiscuous women when it comes to pair-bonding with them. Casual sex is one thing, but most men will feel naturally disgusted with the idea about entering into a LTR with a “hoe”. This is because men in our evolutionary past only wanted to partner with women with low N counts (preferably virgins) to ensure paternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:12 PM
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ITT we pretend that hypergamy isn’t real.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:04 PM
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This isn’t even a legitimate question. Studies have been done on this and the results are in. The more sexual partners a woman has had in her past, the less able she is to pair-bond and the more likely she is to divorce. https://ifstudies.org/blog/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability Concentrate more on the data than on the commentary. Here, the authors bend over backwards and contort themselves into pretzels to try to explain the data away as a cultur…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 11:56 AM
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The same goes for SWERFs (sex work exclusionary radical feminists), where they essentially despise all forms of sex work because they deem it to be harmful to women. This is so crazy. First time hearing this acronym, and it's clearly just a shaming tactic. What used to be just plain old mainstream Feminism in the 1970's is now "SWERF". Wow. The debate is reframed as if Feminism hasn't changed and so it's the old school women's rights feminists who are now considered the backwards radicals.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 01:27 AM
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Good discussion. Yeah, we will have to agree to disagree. I’ll just leave with two different points. (1) I’m a black dude and so I look towards the black community as a harbinger of the things to come in the broader society. Look at the men who have the most children. A guy who is a violent thug or drug dealer is likely to have many more children than a Doctor, a lawyer, or a community leader. Women are not selecting for “quality” in terms of anything that benefits modern society. They are selec…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 10:06 PM
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If there is a severe legal consequence for divorce, why would that encourage people to get married? Because both parties have additional security that the marriage will last for the long term. The smaller the incentives to continue the marriage, the more likely the marriage will break up. That's why 80% of divorces are initiated by women. It's not just hypergamy. Men go through unhappy spells in marriage too. It's that men have more to lose in a divorce. They have more incentive to keep the marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 03:59 PM
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Our laws are already pro-marriage No they're not. The laws discourage men to get married because the risks of divorce are one-sided and devastating. Also, the "no fault divorce" rules in most states has caused skyrocketing divorce rates with women breaking up the family 80% of the time. Currently, you need the State to get into a marriage, but you don't really need the State to exit a marriage. Why is that? There should be legal consequences for breaking a marriage contract for the person who br…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 11:50 AM
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There are several policies which could ease dating inequality. Most have to do with strengthening marriage as an institution and reworking the laws to make it more beneficial for men and women. Also strengthening laws against polygamy. Plus, reducing the welfare state and any policies which shield women for their bad choices by spreading those costs across society instead of onto the woman who made the choice. Policies like “financial abortion” also do this. Plus, while we can’t put the genie ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 05:19 AM
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I agree with your statement except that equality of opportunity, economically speaking, has existed in the United States since 1964. And yet, a large portion of the country thinks it’s still a problem and yet no one is talking about dating inequality. I think they both should be considered issues or neither should be considered issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 06:45 PM
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Free market systems exacerbate inequality. I’m fine with that if you’re consistent with your position when it comes to income inequality and dating inequality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 03:50 AM
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Woah. Legalizing prostitution is okay but legalizing polygamy will only increase dating inequality. We need to strengthen marriage so that it is more beneficial for both parties and discourage polygamous relationships and entanglements that do not lead to monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 12:05 AM
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I agree with you OP, but I come to a different conclusion. You seem to be saying that we can find a solution to dating inequality like we can find a solution to income inequality. I think that socialism doesn’t work and there is no solution to income inequality or dating inequality that doesn’t rely on tyranny and human cruelty. So yes. The answer to both income inequality and dating inequality is “life isn’t fair”.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 11:54 PM
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Wait. You’re telling me that if you ban or censor ideas, those ideas are never open to wide scrutiny and they become more radical and virulent over time?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 01:15 PM
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No such thing as a “gold digger”. All women are hypergamous. The degree changes, but the idea of a “gold digger” is just a blue pill shaming tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 12:08 PM
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True. But the 5’5” guy stacking plates will eventually have as many options as the skinny 5’10” guy. But never as many options as the skinny 6’3” guy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/05/21 02:08 PM
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Naw. 20% of men are having casual sex with 90% of the women. They are winning and they only lose when they marry. Which is something that is happening less and less.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/05/21 02:02 PM
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True. But this is irrelevant because women judge male height based on the height of other men; not women. A 5’6” guy is short to a 5’9” woman and a 5’3” woman also.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/05/21 01:55 PM
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An ugly girl has 10x the sexual access of even a very attractive man. There is no female analogy to a short man in terms of getting laid. However, fat women and short men are sort of similar in terms of general social disgust. Ironic seeing that weight is a choice but height is not.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/05/21 01:52 PM
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Height is associate with dominance in our society. And it appears to be getting worse and worse with tallness now even being socially rewarded in girls. Because women are hypergamous, they are attracted to the most dominant men. Height is a very easy and quick visual marker for social dominance.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/02/21 02:57 PM
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Exactly. Very few short men are the product of two short parents. Usually it’s a short mother and a relatively tall father.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/02/21 02:54 PM
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Do not marry down! Women are hypergamous and so practically all men marry down. What do you mean by this? Do you mean in terms of looks?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/12/20 01:44 PM
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AWALT bro. There is no "mutual love" in the way that men desire. The sexes love differently.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/09/19 11:52 PM
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And if I’m wrong, then perhaps we’re wrong. Think that shit out for yourselves. I think this was the key to the joke. I think this was a reductio ad absurdum argument, and Dave was just saying that abortion is wrong. I don’t think he was genuinely advocating for financial abandonment. He was advocating against abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/19 11:45 AM
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Also, do you have a problem with women being hypergamous? No problem with it. It’s pointless to judge hypergamy because this is part of nature. You can’t change it any more than you can change the male desire to sleep with multiple partners instead of mating with only one woman for life. What lie, specifically, are you talking about? I don't remember being taught that women are not hypergamous. You’ve got to be joking. The dominant narrative in our society is that women look for men who are comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 11:58 AM
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You sure about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 01:40 AM
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I never said you’d have a problem sharing tall men with other women. Even handsome guys who are 9s and 10s. The hard part is securing commitment from those men. If you’re a woman, it’s easy to sleep around. Not particularly impressive, but not difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 01:35 AM
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Cute
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 01:32 AM
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If he’s a 8,9 or 10 he’s going to naturally have more options sexually. So, therefore he would most likely not pick the less attractive woman to have sex with. Men who are 9's and 10's pick both women to sleep with. They sleep with thin women and they sleep with less attractive or fat women. Again, men are polygamous. Women are the gatekeepers of sex and men are the gatekeepers of commitment. A man who is a 9 is not going to commit to a fat chick. But he will fuck her. A girl who is less than av…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 11:01 PM
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I think hypergamy describes female sexual desire. Not "love".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 10:56 PM
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Millennial men may consume a bit too much soy, but they're still men. And there is no study in the world which says that most straight men would turn down sex from a woman because she's a few pounds overweight. He might not want to commit to her, but he will be physically attractive enough for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 09:16 PM
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Height is one indicator of being a more desirable mate and short and undesirable men aren't nicer, less asshole-ish in any way (often quite the opposite in fact, I imagine due to developing a bitter outlook cause by being undesirable) so we might as well go for the guys we actually desire All of this is true, but it has nothing to do with my post. It's an hypocritical tactic done by undesired men designed to shame women's preferences. I guess this makes sense if you believe that hypergamy is a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 06:51 PM
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But hypergamy isn't about preference. For example: very few men have a thin/fit body requirement, but most women have a height requirement. This is hypergamy at work. Blame evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 06:47 PM
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Men will fuck any women however they’ll only form a LTR with the most attractive they can get. I think this is mostly true. Women are the gatekeepers of sex and men are the gatekeepers of commitment. But your example still isn’t an example of male hypergamy, because a man who partners with the attractive woman in a LTR still usually views himself as “above” her. A man is not partnering with an attractive woman because he views her as “above” him. So, with anything there are exceptions. I think t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 12:34 PM
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You don’t think it’s inefficient for society to operate in a cloud of lies?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 11:51 AM
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Leaving ones 20 year marriage for a women half your age. In such cases, does the man choose the younger woman because youth is considered a superior trait to age and wisdom? It seems like the young lady is getting the better deal by partnering with an established man. Going after women that are more attractive than you are. There is no man on earth who only or even mostly goes after women who are out of his league. He goes after women he perceives as below him and above him. This is because men …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 11:48 AM
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If she's lucky. She'll probably get pumped and dumped by some bitter betas if she waits too long and loses enough of her SMV before she is able to get a guy to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 04:28 AM
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This is not a bad argument. But, I think the difference is that breast size is more of a feminine trait than a marker for genetic fitness. And by "facial symmetry", I assume you mean beauty? Again, a feminine trait more than a marker of fitness. You're just describing sexual dimorphism, and not hypergamy. When I'm talking about markers of fitness, I'm talking about things that are objectively prized as "good". So, wealth, status, strength, height...all of these things are gender neutral and priz…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 04:17 AM
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90% of men would fuck pretty much any woman. No offense. I’m not saying you’re not attractive. I’m just saying it’s hard for women to gauge their own attractiveness as men constantly gaslight them for a chance at sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 12:52 AM
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Ah. Now I see. But no, hypergamy doesn’t “go both ways”. Can you give an example of male hypergamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 12:44 AM
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No. I just used an 8% difference because that’s about the difference in inches between 5’8” and 6’4”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 12:33 AM
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I’m an attractive female. Maybe. Hard to say. Most women are bad at judging their own attractiveness because even very attractive men will offer sex to unattractive women. Husband is 5’9 But how tall are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 12:31 AM
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Not an Incel bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 11:56 PM
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You clearly are missing the concepts here. Hypergamy isn’t a bad thing. It’s just a description of female behavior. I think you’re hung up on the idea that hypergamy is a bad thing and so you’re tying yourself into knots trying to be the White Knight and save the day for m’lady.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 11:38 PM
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The same way I explain a woman who rejects a man with a net worth of $3 million for a man with a net worth of $2.76 million.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 11:32 PM
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People fuck the best they can get. Not women. You’re viewing female behavior through male eyes. You need to work on your objectivity bro. A woman is not going to fuck a man whom she believes she’s better than. Height is just one domination of this, but it’s an easy example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 11:27 PM
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Not sure why you’re making this more complicated than it really is. Money (or the ability to make money) is a marker for evolutionary fitness. Social status is a marker for evolutionary fitness. Adult height is a marker for evolutionary fitness. Females are attracted to these things in men because they are hypergamous. Males are not so attracted to these things in women because men are polygamous instead of hypergamous. Height, is the most measurable of these indicators of evolutionary fitness. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 11:17 PM
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None of this has anything to do with my CMV. Are you denying the existence of hypergamy as the driver for female sexual selection?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 11:01 PM
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Meh. I’m not sure there is such a thing as a “second tier Alpha”. I guess that’s what incels call “a normie”? If you’re not in the top 20% of men, preferably the top 5%, then you’re not an Alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 10:20 PM
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I’ve answered this in the OP. “Men like nice? asses” is not hypergamy. Men do not reject willing women because they don’t like their ass. Men try to sleep with as many women as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 10:03 PM
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"I really don't care how tall you are" is an actual line on my OLD profile. 🙄🙄🙄 Remember that I’m not arguing that hypergamy is bad. I’m just saying that the female desire for male height is an excellent example of hypergamy in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 10:01 PM
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Remember that women certainly are selecting men who are better than they, but most importantly, they are selecting for men better than other men they could attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 09:52 PM
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Maybe. I have no option on this because it doesn't disprove my thesis. The same can probably be said about having too much status. If you're too famous, the amount of women you attract probably goes down because some women will be intimidated.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:44 PM
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The first reason being “hypergamy”” is a bullshit theory that has no legitimate backing. /u/criticalthinking346 ladies and gentlemen. You are grasping here because height =/= best genes. This isn't even worth arguing about. I don't even need to prove that height = best genes. Just that height is something very valued in our society. Just like money and status are things that are very valued in our society. Height is just a clearer example of hypergamy because it is easier to measure and less pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:42 PM
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True. But even then, I almost only read about hypergamy in terms of money. And when you frame it as a money thing, it can be easily refuted with "I got my own money and I don't need no man" arguments. The height example cannot be denied. I mean, it can be, but women haven't been socialized to gaslight about height yet. Give it about 30 years though...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:38 PM
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Depends on how short we're talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:36 PM
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This doesn't happen. Women may pick an Alpha in hopes of securing commitment from him (which almost never works), but they never choose a Beta and try to turn him Alpha. A great man once pointed out that women do not care about the struggle of men in the race...they just wait at the finish line and fuck those who cross first. This makes evolutionary sense...but it can be problematic for a well functioning modern society.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:36 PM
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I mean, there is a doom and gloom aspect to it, but it's not immediate. It will only affect the woman after years of sleeping with attractive men who will never commit to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:31 PM
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We need a word for the way female sexual selection operates. If you can't name something, the idea can become lost and manipulated. Which is what some actively try to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:26 PM
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Most people are not aware of hypergamy, and the ones in the know often get it wrong. They think of hypergamy as "gold digging", but it's not that. It's the process by which female sexual selection operates. This should be taught in High School. But instead, polite society conspires to hide it, and feminists and social constructionists deny it outright.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:24 PM
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That's actually a very insightful and interesting idea. I almost awarded a delta....but then I realized that female hypergamy is the reason why men evolved to be taller than women in the first place. So you can't use the evolutionary result of female hypergamy to show that hypergamy isn't real.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:22 PM
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What exactly can you do with that information? There are plenty of strategies for men to be successful with women once they realize that women are hypergamous. If you don't have height, you need to max out on money and status. If you don't have status, you need to max out on money and height. If you don't have money, you need to max out on status and height. Unfortunately, that last example explains why we have thugs in every society.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:20 PM
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So a man, ugly or handsome, short or tall, will always want to mate with more women and will never be satisfied with only me. So why would i pick the ugly short guy? If both of them are shit then i want him to be at least a tall handsome shit. Exactly. I'm not saying that hypergamy is bad or that it doesn't make sense. AF/BB also makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:18 PM
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No its not. What's not? human height is not an evolutionary signal for fitness?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:17 PM
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This is interesting, but you would agree that height is considered an evolutionary marker for fitness...right? If so, then why aren't men selecting for female height for stronger offspring? Simple, because men are not hypergamous but women are. Also, if it's simply because height is a masculine trait, then why are fashion models and other women who are considered exceptionally beautiful often tall? Aren't long legs considered beautiful in women as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:16 PM
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Ultimately, money is more important than anything I tend to believe that money is most important too, but that's not what women say. Woman say that height is more important than money. But I think they're lying. I think they have been socialized to deny that a man's financial status is very important. So height is a much better example of hypergamy than income because women have been "trained" to lie about one but not the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:13 PM
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The concept of hypergamy and polygamy are VERY important concepts because you have to understand how that works in order to understand how the female dual-mating strategy works (Alpha Fucks | Beta Bucks).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:11 PM
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That's a hard circle to square. It would be saying that height is more important than money or status. There is nothing in our society to suggest that. Women are being socialized to mask their desire for those traits in men, but they aren't socialized to mask their desire for male height. I suspect hypergamy works equally for all of these traits. Otherwise, you are saying that height is more "better" than everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:09 PM
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I think maybe you didn't read the post. I didn't say anything about good or bad. I said that this is proof that hypergamy is how women operate in terms of mate selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:06 PM
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How do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 05:04 PM
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tl;dr virginity is mostly about paternity assurance, height is about genetic quality, the first no longer really holds, the second still totally does. This is a silly way to think about it. Height is no longer about “genetic quality” any more than a low n count is about assured paternity. We don’t hunt for our food nor outrun beasts. But in both cases, they mattered in our evolutionary history. Women are programmed through evolution to select the “biggest” (i.e. height + weight) man they can fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 01:35 PM
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Who says hypergamy is bad? It just is. It's a fact of our biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 03:30 AM
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You're missing the plot here. Hypergamy isn't some evil thing that started with the invention of money. Money is just a human construct. Hypergamy is part of female biology and it's been that way since humans evolved from our great ape ancestors....before "consumerism" or even "money" existed. Really think about it. I'm sorry if you don't like it or have yet the capacity to understand it. I think you're smart enough though, think about it. Really sit down and think about what hypergamy means and…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 12:06 AM
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You also cannot satisfy a man’s polygamous desires. I meant that women can more easily satisfy their hypergamous desires in that moment they branch swing. Also, hypergamy is not rooted in “consumerism”. Hypergamy is about more than money. For example, the tendency for women to only date taller men is an example of hypergamy in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:35 PM
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Yes. That too would be a man fulfilling his polygamous desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 07:55 AM
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OP is mostly right. However the imbalance comes in because it’s easier for a woman to fulfill her hypergamous desires than it is for men to fulfill his polygamous desires. Even you admit that most men would act on these desires if given the option. However, the vast majority of men aren’t often presented with these options and so this uniquely male desire is kept in check. Meanwhile, because men are polygamous, it’s very easy for women to sleep with a higher quality male than their current partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 07:48 AM
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You’re not. But hopefully, that short guy is “making up for his height” by being higher status in other ways. I wasn’t trying to imply that no woman could love a short guy. Just that a short guy has to demonstrate a much higher status than a taller guy for him to have similar odds with women.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/12/18 07:55 PM
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Respectfully, I think you undercut your own argument by including height. Women associate male height with social status and ability to provide. So it’s neither surprising nor a support for the idea of “true love” to know that lazy, pathetic, poor, and slovenly tall men do fine with women. In order to support the idea of real love, you’d need to show an example of a woman who loves a low status man who is also short or at least of middling height. Loving a low status man who is tall is just an e…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/12/18 02:13 PM
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This is not a serious question. And you don't need a YouTube video. There are literally dozens of academic research papers on this. The answer is yes. Absolutely yes. Women care more about male height than men care about female weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 09:30 PM
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Yet if someone complains that all his job applications are being rejected, would people tell him "you're not entitled to a job!!"? You're not entitled to a job, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 09:44 PM
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The reason women want taller men is because women are hypergamous. Height, in our society, is a signal for social dominance. Also, why you say that height "doesn't imply anything about a man's strength"...that's not really true. Height does not equal strength. But people in our society generally perceive taller men as stronger/better/more dominant than shorter men. And this is why women love tall men. Hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 04:37 AM
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No. There is no start to a relationship without sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 04:34 AM
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We're talking about two different things. I don't think we are. I understand hypergamous and polygamous nature in regards to sexual selection. I'm saying that these influences have far less bearing on partner selection when considerations of the long-term come into account Absolutely. Women have a dual mating strategy. They are sexually attracted to alphas (the socially and physically dominant men), but often prefer long-term relationships with betas for the sake of their family cohesion and to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 09:51 PM
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Men certainly do choose who they marry, which was what I was referring to. And in that regard, what you call hypergamy, I call logic that everyone should use. Let me give you one example to hopefully help you to see why women are hypergamous while men are NOT. A powerful male lawyer can meet a pretty girl taking his order in the drive-thru line at Burger King and want to fuck her. It would actually be quite common for this to happen. But, it would be almost impossible for a powerful female lawye…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 03:50 AM
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I don't even know if this is true...but I'm sure that women are more likely to cheat when the man is unemployed or earn less than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 03:33 AM
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No, they just want to be dominate them No. You misunderstand. Men do not want to dominate woman. Women want to be dominated by men. Men just want to have sex with multiple women and so they have to give women what they want - male dominance. You can't understand the truth about sexual dynamics without understanding this. Women are hypergamous and men are polygamous. Why would men not choose a spouse with the strongest qualities - and thus, acknowledge her equality/superiority, at least in some i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:54 PM
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Is it not possible, in your mind, for partners to view themselves as equal to each other while acknowledging each other's strengths and weaknesses... No. That is possible in the man's mind, but not in the woman's mind. At least not such that she will want to fuck him. A relationship between heterosexual partners can exist like that, but it will be platonic or a dead bedroom. Women are attracted to men whom she can think is superior to her. That's why female sexual selection has formed the male b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 10:49 PM
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Yes, I meant "no woman" to mean "substantially none". That is, it might be possible to find a woman somewhere who contradicts this. But it would be a Black Swan type of event.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 07:47 PM
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a Domme/sub female relationship is not the only place where a woman can be sexually attracted to her mate who she perceives as inferior to herself. This doesn't exist except in the minds of neckbeards. The woman doesn't view herself as superior to her man or she wouldn't be with him. By saying "this doesn't exist in a sexual relationship," I infer from your comment that you've never witnessed a sexual relationship between heterosexual equals? That's right. Whereabouts do you live? Earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 07:29 PM
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No they don't. Not where the woman is not being paid or getting something else out of it which aligns with hypergamy. No woman is going to be turned on by dominating a man whom she feels superior to. If you read femdom material written by women, they usually get off on dominating men whom they find superior to them. Strong, tall, handsome, otherwise powerful men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 07:10 PM
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Any anthropologist worth a salt would tell you that nearly all human civilization began as female dominant ones Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 07:02 PM
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Multiple bluepillers I've talked to have no problem if the relationship follows a captain/first-mate dynamic wherein the captain is female and the first mate is male. They see this as progressive and acceptable if the woman wants to have a career while the man stays at home. Several male Bluepillers have admitted they live a similar lifestyle and enjoy being stay at home husbands. You're missing something very important. It's not what the man wants that is relevant. It's what woman wants. Women …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 01:35 PM
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No. This doesn't exist in a sexual relationship. It can exist in a male/female platonic relationship, but hypergamy doesn't allow a woman to be attracted to "her equal". She has to perceive him as superior. Whether she does that through demenor, or income, or physicality, or height, or intelligence, or experience varies by woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 01:25 PM
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There are both short beautiful women and tall beautiful women, and ugly tall women and ugly short women. But women are not considered beautiful BECAUSE they are tall. Height is considered a masculine trait. (The more you know)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/15 08:59 PM
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Then why are tall women the most prized for their aesthetic appearance Tall women are not prized for their aesthetic appearance. Check the OKCupid data. Tall women are way less likely than short women to be matched. And they are less likely to have children. I suspect models are tall because the clothes hang better with more fabric.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/15 06:36 PM
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The problem here is that a lot of physical traits that are labeled under the category of "attractiveness" are really just expressions of dominance and masculinity. So, a study might say that women are more attracted to men with square jaws than dominant behavior; but that's because a square jaw is a proxy for testosterone and dominant behavior. Think about it. Height is more important than masculine behavior. But women use height as a proxy for masculinity. Maybe a muscular physique is more impo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/15 07:48 PM
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Or, more likely, they're some dude's dusty old plate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 05:38 AM
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No one says the Wall is 25. It's more like 30-35, depending on the female. 35 is pretty much an upper limit though. And it's not like you're not attractive to any man ever. It's just that your attractiveness decreases at such a exponential and shocking rate that most females are caught off guard by it. No alpha wants to have sex with them anymore and so they start scrambling to secure a beta before even they will be out of reach and she'll have to end up nursing a family of cats into old age.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 05:04 AM
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The Wall isn't about female sexual desire. It's about male sexual desire and how it completely falls off for females who have hit the Wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/14 05:01 AM
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They mellow when they approach middle age because they've hit the Wall and their female privileges go away. This is Red Pill 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/14 01:41 PM
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