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Story time ☕Ugandabekiddingme2/r/FemaleDatingStrategy16/11/21 01:04 AM
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WHOLESOME CONTENTUgandabekiddingme2/r/FemaleDatingStrategy06/02/22 02:22 PM
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DiscussionUgandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 03:00 AM
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Ugandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 10:36 PM
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Ugandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 04:14 PM
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Ugandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 08:31 PM
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Ugandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 09:44 PM
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DiscussionUgandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 02:03 AM
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CMVUgandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 09:28 PM
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Question For MenUgandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 04:28 PM
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Ugandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 12:27 AM
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DiscussionUgandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 01:19 AM
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Ugandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:38 AM
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Ugandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 02:26 AM
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DiscussionUgandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 04:02 AM
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DiscussionUgandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:03 PM
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STAY WOKEUgandabekiddingme2/r/FemaleDatingStrategy02/03/22 01:22 AM
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Ugandabekiddingme2/r/FemaleDatingStrategy13/12/21 04:23 PM
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DebateUgandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:55 AM
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DiscussionUgandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 05:35 AM
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CMVUgandabekiddingme2/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:05 AM
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Ad women of all ages prefer millionaires, because it is their prime, absolutely nothing to do with manipulation or power dynamics
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:50 AM
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LOL LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:11 PM
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Watch the movie. That's exactly what that man did.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:10 PM
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Women in general are better looking than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:06 PM
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The movie is based on a dating advice book of the same name.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:24 AM
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I would take that, if the title of the movie/book wasn't "he's just not that into you."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 03:09 AM
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I have the book and on the cover it says it's dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 02:15 AM
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Playing games is for children Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 07:00 PM
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All men have the capacity to be possessive and insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 06:58 PM
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Why would a woman chase a male?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 06:13 PM
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All human beings have an ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 05:30 PM
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Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 05:24 PM
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So then the option would just for a HMV to be alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 05:21 PM
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If a confident woman is still playing hard to get after being in a relationship for 6 months, then it will likely backfire. Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 05:02 PM
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No, they don't. Rich men literally are applauded for marrying a model simply for her looks. That's objectification.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 01:27 AM
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Tell that to men at divorce court. 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 01:25 PM
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It's not about being a business transaction. It's about what is fair. You don't exploit people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 06:48 PM
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May I ask why you don't believe in marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 03:15 PM
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pickmes itself. Why do you say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 02:00 PM
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You can have a lawyer draft up legal documents to take care of this. This isn't true. There are still tons of rights you don't get. Social security benefits. No health insurance if company doesn't allow non-spouses. Taxes. Inheriting without paying taxes.Think about it, you're spending thousands on a lawyer to draft docs that give you maybe half the rights a marriage does. I'm a woman and I don't see it as this special thing. I see it as a legal relationship and also a symbolic one. Acknowledgin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:56 PM
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Paying the bills is far less than what the man would have had to pay for a housekeeper, personal assistant, cook and many.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:45 PM
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It still does. From a legal perspective, on what happens if one of you gets sick or dies? Or loses their job and loses their health insurance? (USA) From a FDS pov, yes, it is still bad if one of the partners does want to get married and one doesn't. You aren't compatible, and one sacrificing rather than realizing that. Then there is the placeholder issue. That means he doesn't want to marry her because she's a temporary convenience until his real dream girl comes. Then what I said earlier: if y…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 05:16 AM
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I think what you are asking is if forever girlfriends is an issue if chores and child rearing are divided 50/50? The answer is yes. If he wanted to marry you, he would have.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:50 AM
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>Furthermore, if a woman finds doing most of the chores an unfair deal, she shouldn't be dating seriously men who expect that from her. But that is literally the majority of men. That is the status quo. >FDSers accuse of pickmeing individual women whose circumstances they don't know. Because in some cases, they don't need to know the circumstances to see the red flags that spell out "pick me!"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:47 AM
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That's my point. Your husband convinced 12 different job sites to want him. He did just stay in the passenger seat do nothing. He clearly sent them his resume and application. That's my point. Your husband applied to them and showed them his competency. They then made offers, etc. Dating doesn't work like that. Men know what they want from the start. The woman doesn't need to "send an application."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 12:12 AM
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When? how?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 12:11 AM
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It's very hard to convince anyone that: A man who is interested in more than just sex, isn't willing to wait for sex. But a man interested in solely sex is....
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 09:31 PM
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If men can treat women like objects they bought for display to their friends, then they shouldn't play victim when the woman also does the same. Bargained for exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 09:29 PM
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Then pay for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 09:16 PM
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they wont wait and let a girl hold sex over them. That's what you have been brainwashed to believe. Plenty have waited. If he likes her, he will. >If a guy is really trying to play you and only interested in sex he may end up waiting anyway. You just contradicted yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 09:14 PM
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That's my point. Your husband convinced 12 different job sites to want him. He did just stay in the passenger seat do nothing. He clearly sent them his resume and application.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 09:12 PM
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It's different. For a job, I am, for the most part, the one trying to convince it to take me. If a man wanted you, you wouldn't need to convince him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 07:59 PM
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If you had any to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 07:51 PM
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The only vetting you need to do should be pretty common sense stuff. ? > withholding sex are not vetting strategies Seeing who is there for sex and who isn't is definitely a vetting strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 07:51 PM
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Or are you just talking out of your ass? I love the civility. https://news.gallup.com/poll/283979/women-handle-main-household-tasks.aspx
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 07:48 PM
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I don't get what you point is. The median and 50% percentile of relationships, women do the most house chores and child rearing. We are talking about the stratum of relationships in general, not YOU or me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 07:47 PM
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I don't understand the question. Those would be true egalitarian relationships, as stated, in most, atleast 51% of households, women still do the most housechores.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 07:33 PM
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I'm not a bat. I sleep at night. I also have a day job. I'll answer them now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 07:30 PM
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ROTFL.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 06:06 PM
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I agree with your statement to some extent. There's definitely a propensity to be pickmeishas to hot or desirable men. But I think the practice, no matter what men it is geared to, is shamed by FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 06:01 PM
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Personal attacks not allowed on PP Debate. I'm not engaging with a person who debates in this manner. GL.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 05:54 PM
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Why won't men split house chores and child rearing 50/50 then? Every time he delegates his half to her, he has to pay, the same way he would need to pay a secretary, housekeeper and cook.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 05:52 PM
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Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy. "Gold digging is wrong because it is wrong."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 05:43 PM
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Laughing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 05:42 PM
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What is wrong with being a gold digger?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 01:51 PM
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Literally used by women who are butt ugly and are angry at their pretty counter parts Do you have evidence of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 01:47 PM
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FDS is a vetting strategy, not an attraction strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 08:28 AM
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Tell that to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 08:24 AM
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Can you not imply the word upset them? They wouldn't have mentioned it unless it bothered them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 03:38 AM
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Average is not the same as median.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 03:31 AM
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3) It subverts innate human drive. Being picked is usually a good thing. You get picked for a job. You get picked to attend a college. I mean LeBron James must be a real pickme since he worked hard to be picked #1 by the Cavs way back when. Obama is a real pick me-I mean he had to campaign for a whole year to be picked as president. How low value of them. 🙄 Come on, getting picked for a job or as president, is not the same as getting picked in a romantic situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 03:29 AM
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Fine, fine. I've changed it to "upset."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 03:06 AM
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Truly egalitarian? Women do the most house chores and childrearing in relationships and marriages. There are studies on this. The married women are legally protected and get half of their due share if divorce were to occur. The unmarried are not protected and left exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 03:05 AM
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I can't screenshot as I'm not on my phone. Look up the post and search for the term "pickmeisha." It will show atleast 9 times that people made negative comments about it saying it was racist, the equivalent of slut, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 02:51 AM
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They are against forever girlfriends because of how exploitative the situation usually is for the woman and how those women are usually placeholders.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 02:44 AM
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Look at my past post. "What is so bad about FDS' teachings." There are some other posts too, I believe where people complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 02:16 AM
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Cooks and cleans for a man who isn't her boyfriend in hopes he will "pick her. The distinction between the definition provided and the example you gave is "in hopes he will pick her." In your example, if a woman cooks dinner then cleans the dishes after the date, that is just her being a clean person. There's nothing wrong with that and I would strongly object that woman is a "pickmeisha." A more accurate example would be going to the guy's house, doing his dishes and his laundry, in hopes he wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 02:15 AM
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"Beta" men do not exist. There is no scientific or empirical evidence "alpha or beta" men exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 03:51 AM
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No, they later play the victim and shame the woman as a “gold digger.”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 12:59 PM
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Lies. Rich men only care about how pretty the woman is. That’s it. They don’t care if she was born poor. They don’t even care she isn’t attracted to him. As soon as they get rich, they go for a hot model. It’s all about showing off arm candy to his friends. Go clown someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 09:58 PM
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FDS exists because women are tired of being beaten, ending up in marriages with people they were never compatible with, used for sex, and just tired of the low effort and getting scraps while men get the best of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 04:48 PM
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Not how the law works in the UK. The woman does not decide who is on the birth certificate. The man has to consent to his name being on the birth certificate. The link to the UK attorney’s office even says that. And a judge can order dna testing even without the mother’s consent. He is the judge!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 03:00 AM
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Secondly: "You can only apply to change who the father is if a DNA test proves (or a court order says) that the man named on the certificate isn't the natural father." Exactly. You have just contradicted everything you have said about the court automatically taking the woman's word and not allowing a DNA test.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 02:06 AM
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Prince Charles says he's the father. As far as a DNA test, I would be extremely doubtful if the royal family of all people were not able to obtain a dna test to assure their money and titles are actually going to one of their own. You live in the UK, I'm sure you know by now that laws, including paternity restriction laws, don't apply to the rich. They do as they please. There was no paternity fraud in that case. And we are talking about you saying that in the UK, if a woman says the man is the …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 01:46 AM
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You’re going on a tangent and detracting from my comment. The Diana example doesn’t prove your logic that if a woman said he’s the father so the law automatically agrees. Prince Charles said he was the father so the law agreed. And I’m very curious as to why no other women have accused Prince Charles of being their kids’ father since the law automatically believes the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 01:15 AM
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Charles says he is. He has legally acknowledged the child as his. He either didn’t get conned or he is okay with it. You are detracting from my plan to trap Prince William even though I am not married to him and he’s not admitting the child is his.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 12:59 AM
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That’s different. They were married and Prince Charles legally acknowledged Harry as his son. Your logic doesn’t follow here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 12:42 AM
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Well, I’m going to move to the UK, accuse Prince William of being my kid’s father, and since the court automatically takes my word on who the father is, my kid will automatically be a royal and be rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 12:18 AM
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https://cordellcordell.co.uk/news/how-to-establish-paternity/ I just googled paternity laws in UK and the first link from an attorney’s office says that paternity is established by marriage or by the man VOLUNTARILY signing the acknowledgement of paternity. There’s no law that says if this woman alleges you are the father, then you are the father. If that were the rule, every woman would accuse Prince William or some mega rich celebrity of being their kid’s father.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:43 PM
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I find it very hard for there to be a legal system that says, “if this woman says you are the father of her kid, then you are the father, dna or not.” That’s not how legal paternity is established. The man either has to be married to the woman and if he is not, has to sign the birth certificate and legally acknowledge the child. That’s how paternity is established, even in France. If you don’t want to be on the hook, don’t sign the birth certificate. Men signing the birth certificate and getting…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:19 PM
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Go ask the French government that, not me. And it’s not illegal to get a dna test in France if it is directed from the court. That is one option. Switzerland is also only a few hours away by train.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:03 PM
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European men can go to court and get the paternity test then.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 08:56 PM
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It is. So marry a woman you trust then you don’t have to deal with the paternity issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 08:26 PM
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That's his problem then. The [already exhausted] government doesn't have to do his dirty work because he doesn't have the guts to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 07:14 PM
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I don't get it...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 07:09 PM
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Well, can't those men in France just go to court and get a DNA test? I believe it is legal in France if it is through court.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 07:08 PM
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What is stopping men from doing paternity test at birth now? Those at home kits sell at stores.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 03:56 PM
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You are already doing that by trashing FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 01:46 PM
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You’re going on a tangent. If FDS is manipulation so is traditional dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 08:47 PM
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That’s still a form of manipulation, applying your logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 08:33 PM
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That was definitely not the intent. But if you think it is and FDS is so bad, then answer the OP and provide the benefits of the predominant dating culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:20 PM
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Girls are taught to play hard to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 05:08 PM
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Wouldn’t that make traditional dating tactics manipulative too?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 02:40 AM
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How is the foundation manipulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 07:02 PM
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Why do you say it is not durable? Why is it impossible?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 06:08 PM
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THIS. And there is no evidence alpha males exist. It’s not even a disputed theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 06:29 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 04:35 PM
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I’d been on Purple Pill Debate for 4 years. I kept hearing about FDS. I kept hearing how toxic it was. I just decided to peek. Once there, I had to accept the harsh reality that I had been a Pickmeisha to my exes and was indoctrinated by the false teachings liberal feminism.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy14/02/22 11:30 AM
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Studies have shown women still do the most work in child rearing and labor in the home, despite working. It's not about being a provider. It's about being fair. It's not fair to work, pay half the bills, but still do the majority of house chores and child rearing. If the woman doesn't want fairness, then ....that's strange but I will respectfully disagree from afar.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:32 AM
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You seem to think that a “libfem ho” nor a “disney princess” can’t vet a man; when in fact that’s not true at all Didn't say that all don't. But generally, they don't. How do you vet a man you just met and are having a one night stand with? Same with Disney princesses. It's also very strange to vet when you believe "love will conquer all" and when you are more concerned with having the love story rather than the real man. Vetting is very antithetical to the way of thinking. Any woman who doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 04:24 AM
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Ok. I see one benefit described there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:51 AM
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I wouldn't characterize you as a Disney Princess. There isn't anything wrong with dreaming of the wedding and the white fence. The problem is when the woman wants the wedding more than she wants the actual man. When she wants the love story more than she wants the actual man. When she thinks it's "happily ever after bliss" when marriage requires work and there will be some months and even years when it sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:44 AM
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Idk how I missed this a few hours ago. It still matters to know whether he is married or a criminal, because had the woman known, she wouldn't have consented to sex. She wouldn't have consented to helping destroy a family. The issue isn't accidentally getting pregnant, but pregnant by a woman who is less likely to take responsibility than one who is in an emotional relationship with you and has some commitment to you. The Disney princess comment really bothers me. It's not just, "you get hurt, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:40 AM
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But the wanted life experiences that develop social competence? You may have a point here and a positive point. Is this a theory or researched?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:33 AM
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You claim to be against women putting other women down, but as soon as a woman accuses you of putting her down, you claim she is "too sensitive." And no personal attacks are one of the fundamental rules of PP Debate. If you can't debate without personally attacking, you should not be debating on here or any debate floor. As far as the allegation that the message is negative: the world isn't all butterflies. There are negative parts of it. And FDS is just keeping it real. If reality is negative, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:21 AM
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I just re-read all of the post replies. There were only two quality replies: one about learning what sex she likes through multiple partners and one about gaining social competence. There rest were very vague, one straight up contradicted science and the others were just insults to FDS and not directed to the OP. A libfem ho is a woman who espouses sex beliefs taught by liberal feminism. It's more the belief. The acts reflect the belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 03:09 AM
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Exactly. This isn’t “Change my view on FDS.” This is: provide me the benefits of the status quote. Re-read the OP. And about FDS women putting other women down — please review your previous comment calling me paranoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:15 AM
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It's very hard for a woman not to be "any of them" since many of those categories are binary. You either are having sex outside of love/a relationship or you are not. If you are, you are a libfem ho. Period. You speak of those other lifestyles, but have provided no description of them. You don't have to provide a "category" per se, but provide descriptions. > I'm realizing a relationship isn't about what I get out of it, it's what I contribute. This is why FDS exists. I have never heard of a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:14 AM
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Link?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:06 AM
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Men being a provider for his family is a crazy idea, huh? If you are so for 50/50 on dates, then start advocating for men to be 50/50 on cooking meals, 50/50 on watching and babysitting kids, 50/50 on doing laundry and ironing, 50/50 on organizing the family's finances. And you have said a lot. If you want me to reply to ONE topic, then provide ONE subject matter for me to respond to. I've never seen the posts you allege, so until then, they are unsubstantiated.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:57 PM
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Personal attacks are not tolerated on here. You do not know me and some cursory review of my comments do not qualify you to judge me. I am simply repeating the teachings of FDS and repeating them in the same direct and brutal manner they repeat it on their sub. It's the same way men have "locker room talk." It shouldn't be a shock or categorized as "negative" bcwomen do it. Employers eliminate employees based on negative characteristics and history, so the analogy can apply. It's not just based …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:54 PM
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Re-read the OP. I said some those are examples of libfem hoes. They range from those who have one night stands to those who have sex with non-committed men they are dating. It’s a range but all fall within adopting the beliefs of “sexual liberation” and “sex positivity.”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:27 PM
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Do you have evidence of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:23 PM
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Well, it’s centered on heterosexual, monogamous libfem hoes. Poly relationships are complicated and are not often fully understood outside the poly community. It would not be a realistic or practical to apply FDS to that community and lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:21 PM
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No, if the man wanted to pick you from the beginning, he would have. And as far as “have a wonderful life,” look up placeholder girlfriends and wives. Something FDS teaches about.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:14 PM
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I’m still want to see the links. And you didn’t mention the 50/50 thing until now. Yes, that’s a core philosophy. Send me a link to the other allegations you made against FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:12 PM
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Never said libfems don’t vet partners/boyfriends once. The no vetting was for sex partners. How much vetting are you if have a one night stand with a man you just met? The OP never said they can’t build relationships from casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:09 PM
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FDS’s philosophies are centered to heterosexual relations and monogamous relationships and lifestyles.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:06 PM
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Are you serious? Many women on this post alone have admitted to being libfem hoes, disney princesses, and Pickmeisha. Libfem culture, Pickmeisha culture and the Disney princess culture is saturated and pervasive among women. And to your previous reply, employers vet applicants before they make an offer. In some industries, the boards require the employer to vet. Landlords do background checks for prospective tenants. Lenders and mortgage companies have even created a credit score system to vet t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 10:02 PM
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Send me the link that is the definition of HVM FDS prescribes. FDS isn't individualistic, it's calling for the end of the individualistic male-favoring relationships. Please provide me links of these allegations you are making against FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 09:07 PM
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Look at the first link if you want reference to a study. I've never seen ONE that denies that oxytocin is a hormone that leads to bonding. If so, please provide it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 09:05 PM
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Pickmeisha - the exploitation; the man knowing he will NEVER want you but will exploit you for sex and maid duties as long as he can. Doing this for many men until you succeed with one. You will be exploited by many men in doing so. Normalizing devaluation and having no dignity. Normalizing that women should sacrifice the most for a relationship. Libfem Ho - the risks are EXPLOSIVE. The woman changing her mind midway and date rape. One night stand and later finding out the man was a criminal. Se…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 09:03 PM
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HVM is defined by traditional values (many of which are of no use to many women). That's not true. I think you don't understand what a HVM is. Can you please provide your understanding of a HVM? >An example of individualistic/self-centred nature would be all the many threads on “how does that benefit me FDS is actually saying the current status quo is very individualistic to men, and women are expected to sacrifice for the benefit of the man and the family. They suggest dropping friends who are …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:39 PM
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It isn't minimizing people. It's the reality. There are many risks and negatives to being a pickmeisha, libfem ho and Disney Princess. What claim? I'm not understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:34 PM
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You clearly didn't read it. It's an interview with a scientist/psychologist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:23 PM
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how it’s enforced it’s very narrow. What do you mean? >it’s fairly individualistic and self-centred Can you provide an example of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:19 PM
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Didn't say it. I never said all men are not focused on pleasing his partner. Just saying that casual sex does not = amazing sex. Even love sex doesn't = amazing sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:16 PM
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If marriage is the ultimate life goal, and for the woman is worth the sacrifice of dignity and accepted exploitation, then yes, you have a point. One benefit highlighted then.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:01 PM
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I wasn't asking for your view. I was asking for evidence. What you asked for: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6838998/ https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happens-to-your-brain-after-sex-2018-6 >I mean for me I’m literally a woman who has had sex with people I’ve not got attached to. Science doesn't say it will. Just very likely. Some women don't bond with their newborns either. But that doesn't debunk that oxytocin in most women creates bonds with their newborns.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 07:54 PM
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Most importantly though, people should do whatever the f* they want; I’m not going to play some moral high ground, just because people want to do things I don’t “approve”. It isn't really about displaying a higher moral ground or not. It is really just asking, "what are the benefits to this?" "Do the benefits outweigh the risks?" "Why should I engage in these cultures and lifestyles?" "Why should I teach this to my children?" "Are the negatives so toxic they are becoming harmful for society?" Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 07:46 PM
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Science doesn't say they can't, but are extremely likely to. That oxytocin is released after sex, and that for women, it causes attachment is set science. Do you have links to updated science/evidence that has disproved this? Please provide it. Trolling isn't allowed on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 07:41 PM
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Especially the desperation to perpetuate the myth of women necessarily getting attached to men they sleep with So how do you substantiate this when science says it is not a myth?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 07:30 PM
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I'm willing to sacrifice myself for my partner and compromise on some of my own standards FDS isn't saying there shouldn't be some compromise. It says you shouldn't have to compromise too much of your values and needs. How can your relationship withstand if you have sacrificed to the point you are not who you are anymore or who you wanted to be anymore? How can there not be resentment? FDS also says the sacrifice and compromise shouldn't only be on the woman. Women are expected to sacrifice too …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 07:20 PM
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Libfem ho sounds like she has an amazing sex life Who said the sex is good? Sex with a man who is focused solely on getting off and isn't focused on pleasing you is AWFUL.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 07:14 PM
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I just read the article. Disproves nothing and states nothing about oxytocin, women and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 07:12 PM
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They're not tied down with children, usually. They can advance their careers easily. The desire and acceptability of not having children is not an ideal exclusive to liberal feminism. Radical feminism (FDS included) and even traditional women push the idea of the woman's choice to have children or not. they don't put much romantic value in sex and attachment > That isn't what biology says. Oxytocin is undeniably a hormone that causes bonding. It is produced after women give birth and after sex. …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 07:07 PM
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What are the other alternatives?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 06:20 PM
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There is nothing wrong with gold digging. Gold digging exists because of men's ageism and shallowness in a capitalist world system where everyone is trying to eat.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 04:08 AM
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There is no evidence it exists in humans. There is no evidence the concept exists at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 02:24 AM
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Misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 02:11 AM
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“Alpha” males and “beta” males literally do not exist. There is NO scientific evidence they exist. The scientist who coughed up the theory re-did the experiment years later and realized he was wrong. He even published articles saying the alpha male theory was wrong, but the RP still uses the lie to coax men into their misogynist scheme.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 11:57 PM
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It would depend on the woman. If the woman is good-looking enough to pull someone of high income, she wouldn't settle for it. It's all on the woman and what she can command.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 03:38 PM
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HVM is the way a man TREATS women. It is a man who has dealt or is willing to deal with his childhood trauma so he doesn’t project it on this wife and kids. It is a man who takes affirmation action for his mental health rather than one who is mentally ill and brings that to his relationship. It is a man who is honest about who he is and isn’t hiding children, gender diphoria, criminal past. You can be a physician, tall, make good income, but if you treat women terribly, refuse to get help for me…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 12:29 PM
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None.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 01:14 AM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 01:44 PM
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Again, I can’t form a concrete opinion until I know the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 01:25 PM
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The OP didn't say why he was only seeing his daughter EOW. We don't know if it was the judge who decided that or if that is the custody agreement he agreed to. Either way, it seems like his concern is child support, not seeing his daughter. I used to work for the state court system and assisted with child support hearings. The wife's free rent is considered a gift and the amount she is saving is considered "income." That should have been imputed as her income and been included in the child suppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 11:33 AM
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I read the guy's story and don't see how marriage screwed him over. He adopted the child. That child is his fully and legally as if he were the child's biological father. That's how adoption works. Sounds like he got screwed by a lazy lawyer who didn't do this job. The child support numbers is a formula the state decides. You just put in the numbers in the formula and it comes out with the child support number. Sounds like his lawyer didn't properly do his job in inputing income on the Wife. Liv…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 03:14 AM
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Marriages establishes paternity. The presumption can be rebutted and the husband disestablished later on if he opens a case to prove he is not the father. But until he does, he is presumed to be the legal father and has custody
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 12:54 AM
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Why did you bring the topic up on a debate subreddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 09:31 PM
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He will be raising the child if he pursues custody, though, most men don’t. And do you have evidence the mom is spending that money on herself? If she’s paying for the child’s food, water, electricity, she is using the money to provide for the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 09:22 PM
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Who said he would even be paying child support? And even so, you are paying for the child to eat, the cost incurred everytime that child takes a shower and uses electricity. Living isn’t free for anyone and both parents should be responsible for the the child’s cost of living.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 09:10 PM
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This is not true. Most men who want custody get it. Most men don’t get custody cause they don’t want it. The others don’t bother showing up for court and lose by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:54 PM
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Yep. Married fathers have an automatic right to custody of their kids born of the marriage. Unmarried fathers don’t have any automatic custody rights to their children. Custody belongs solely to the mother until a court gives unmarried father custody rights. This is the law in almost all states.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 08:10 PM
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THIS.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 03:01 AM
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I think what you need to understand is fundamentally what a "pickmeisha" is. Pickmeisha isn't just some friend with benefits, pickemisha can be a girlfriend. Pickmeishas are after commitment from a man. They want to be picked by any man. They are after any man just to have a "love story"/ a man. What FDS misses is that this option is not available to most men. It's not supposed to be. Most women are pickmeishas for any man they want to give them commitment, but HVM men have the most pickmeisha o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 01:37 PM
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That's not an inconsistent statement. Men having pickmeishas to extract female benefits from does not negate that it is still a woman's market. They aren't marrying pickmeishas. They are using them for sex, maid duties. That's all they need in their 20's and early 30s. When they eventually want to create their progeny, they have to go to the remainder of the market, and that is a woman's market. 200 is still too small of a sample. It wasn't a question centered to all women, but to "fit and attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 02:15 AM
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I never sad men had no standards. I said it is easy for women to meet most men's standards. That is completely compatible with my statement that men have high standards and chase for standards out of their league. I've never seen a topic advising women to aim higher due to the higher demand of women, and I'd like a link to that. Even if so, that doesn't mean women aren't realistic about their physical expectations. I would see it as saying, "if men are encouraged to date out of their league, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 01:12 AM
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That's because those women are attractive enough to demand those qualities. Again, those women. FDS teaches women not to settle for men relative to you. If those women are within that league, then they can demand those physical attributes. The women in FDS are spectrum. Every woman has her own physical standards and preferences based on her own physical rating. The man would still have to treat the woman well to be considered HV no matter his physical attributes. An attractive wealthy man who be…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 01:51 PM
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And now in this latest post, you describe a market full of desperate women and a power balance incredibly tilted in men's favor. That is not a "woman's market." I don't know what you are referencing to. Please show me where I did this. It's also a ludicrously inaccurate depiction of a [reasonable] woman's dating experience, as evidenced by.. That is a thread of maybe 200 responses. Compare that to 230k of women on FDS who have had issues of domestic violence, men conning and lying about their pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 01:37 PM
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The graph was referring to married or partnered women and women. In married couples, women do most of the household tasks including paying the bills. That isn't equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 05:30 PM
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Sounds like you are already prejudiced against the sub and have already made up your mind how those women are in real life even though you haven’t met them. I won’t even try to disprove a person who has already made up their mind without evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 02:51 PM
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No, first, you are misunderstanding what a HVM is. A HVM isn't some unicorn man with x, y, z qualities. A HVM is based on how a man treats you. They exist and the standards to be one are not that high. It's just that men exploiting women is the norm in this dating culture, that it seems abnormal. It's like the analogy with the job. This job is seen as a HV job in the USA, when a job with those benefits are just normal in European countries. It's not saying, "if Google won't hire men, I won't wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 03:05 AM
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That's the problem. Women can't save if they are paying most of the bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 11:57 PM
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https://news.gallup.com/poll/283979/women-handle-main-household-tasks.aspx Wrong. It actually shows women were more likely to pay the bills. Re-read the graph again.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 10:38 PM
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https://www.today.com/news/women-do-2-more-hours-housework-daily-men-study-says-t172272 https://news.gallup.com/poll/283979/women-handle-main-household-tasks.aspx There. My point is backed up. This isn't a high value debate. I'm exiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 09:41 PM
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Your argument is circular. You also don't back up any of your points. Nor did you properly rebut anything I argued.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 09:16 PM
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Your argument is horseshit. You still haven't clarified what you are arguing and points to support your argument. No one is demanding traditional husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 07:37 PM
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shouldn't a high value woman have no problem landing commitment from a high value man? (If not, then idk what a "woman's market" would be.) Think about it this way: You have the HV pharmacist I described above. She wants $100k per year, a 9-6 schedule, only works paid overtime, 3 weeks PTO and health insurance. You have a High value job that provides all of the above (Job 1.). They could be a perfect match. The problem is that there are desperate job candidates. Candidates who are offering to wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 06:56 PM
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Yes. The current status quo isn't about equal partnership. It expects a woman to work, pay 50/50 on bills, do the cooking, cleaning and most of child-rearing. How is that equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 06:43 PM
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That's the problem. Their expectations are simple and not out reach but are deemed "unreasonable" simply because men would no longer obtain sex and maid duties without having to work for it. Men like the system the way it is because it's minimum labor for buckets of fruit. Similar to my analogy of jobs who give little pay and benefits to employees but expect to receive an incongruent amount of labor in return from the employees.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 05:25 PM
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I don't understand what you are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 05:19 PM
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No, a better analogy would be this: Think of an FDS woman as a job candidate in pharmacy. She has a pharmacy degree. She has 3 years residency working under a senior pharmacist. She has 2 years experience post-residency. She follows the rules at work and respects the hierarchy. She is looking for a job that: 1.) Standard 9-6 work hours; 2.) No overtime or pays overtime; 3) Pays a minimum 90k per year, 4.) allows two 30 minute lunch breaks, 5.) provides great health insurance, 6.) provides 3 week…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 05:08 PM
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If I said this about men but added the caveat--the man still has some value if he has money and can fund a woman's lifestyle--I'd be getting personal attacks left and right from RP men on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 04:36 PM
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You've met "most" FDS women, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 04:29 PM
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You’ve met all of those women, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 02:39 PM
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FDS teaches that good men exist. Men who you are compatible with exist. It’s just about rationally vetting to find a compatible partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 02:38 PM
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That’s because FDS is a VETTING strategy not an attraction strategy. It’s for women who have options, but teaches them not to settle or end up in marriages with people they aren’t compatible with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 04:08 AM
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Polygamy is illegal because it's harmful to society. It led to too much inbreeding as too many people had the same fathers, and their fathers had the same fathers, etc. It also led to warfare between men as men and women are born around the same rate and there aren't enough women for men. Even in societies where it is technically legal, like Islamic societies, it is widely discouraged.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 03:41 AM
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Sorry, but even in those countries, the courts force men to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 05:12 PM
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The OP's title was that "you bitches are too fat." She's provided statistics showing young men are just as fat as young women. She's literally invalidated the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 06:54 PM
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Men are supposed to shut up and stay in their lane when they're poor mate No, it's called TheRedPill, MGTOW, Incels, Return of the Kings and various other online subreddits and websites where they "trash" women and how beautiful women should pick them and give them free labor because they have great personalities
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:13 AM
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> they end up alone while browsing FDS. Shouldn't you be happy then? Since women are the poor mate anyway, according to you. You're rid of the poor mates! Congrats!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 01:40 AM
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So what's your argument: women are the poor mates so they should stop trying to mate and be alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 11:52 PM
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Nah. They literally teach it's better to be alone than with poor mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:57 PM
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Young women carry children. Young men don't. Sounds like you're just upset that fat chicks will still get laid but fat guys don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:56 PM
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They bitch and moan about women not wanting to give below average dudes a chance and not wanting to date men for their "personalities" when they wouldn't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:52 PM
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What does that mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:27 PM
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Everyone already knows that. Even women. That’s why Female Dating Strategy exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 07:56 PM
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Send me the link to the studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 04:50 PM
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FDS woman here. This is the best advice ever written on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 05:33 PM
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Pro-men as in "unfair" marriage laws? I know none. All of them reward unpaid labor as they do paid labor brought to a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:19 AM
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Did the study say "why'?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 07:29 PM
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TRP is a scam. Alpha males do not exist. There is no scientific evidence alpha males exist and all previous theories published have been publicly retracted by those same scientists. The head of TRP have scammed these men and have done a disservice to women and society in creating followers of an ideology based on a scam.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:13 PM
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Personal attacks are not touche. Ad hominem attacks reflect immature debate skills. That's exactly my point. The old man should be shamed as a predatory the same way the women who use them are shamed as "gold diggers."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 01:59 PM
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and what is the definition of predatory?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 03:35 AM
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You said "you" not FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 12:34 AM
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All because you refuse to date within your league. >If a guy is dramatically above you the only reason he will date someone that far below his level is if he has massive issues, will treat you bad, or is married and just looking for a side chick. If you dated within your league the chances of this happening would plummet. No good looking tall guy is going to date a woman who is a 3 unless there are reasons like I outlined because otherwise he would date another good looking woman not women like …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 11:14 PM
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>you're just too immature to realize dating is more about personality and type than looks. Do you tell that to men too? All these responses have been "men are more looks oriented."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 09:49 PM
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All you did was attack me. Re-read your response.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 09:48 PM
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Neither can you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 09:47 PM
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Nice insulting people, getting insulted back and wondering why you got insulted and blaming FDS instead of your nasty attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 09:46 PM
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WheelIntelligent1354's logic. I'm just going along with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 09:38 PM
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You don't date attractive women so you have no basis to say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 07:30 PM
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That wasn't a serious statement. Don't know if you realized that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 07:28 PM
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Nope. I am debating gender values on a subreddit to discuss gender issues. I'm done with this convo. I won't entertain personal attacks rather than honest intellectual debates. I hope you get banned for breaking PPD rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 07:27 PM
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Did you even read the articles? Inside the articles are quotes from psychologists and social scientists. Yes, they pitch their opinion on popular websites too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 06:57 PM
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https://www.elle.com/culture/a35854625/no-more-politeness-2021/ https://getflare.com/blogs/the-aura/politeness https://theswaddle.com/etiquette-has-always-been-used-to-control-women/ All articles with quotes from experts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 06:46 PM
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Women are taught to put other people's feelings before themselves since childhood. Women are taught this to the point they put themselves in danger rather than not be "polite." The patriarchy then punishes and shame women are not submissive as "bitches" and "difficult." Women may have some legal rights now, but the social patriarchy didn't disappear when women get legal rights. Most men don't even show up to court and happily give up custody. I have no comment about the weird comment about havin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 06:29 PM
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you just called women who used old men for money golddiggers hahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 06:25 PM
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No, women aren't taught to protect themselves in this patriarchal society. That's where FDS comes in. Already explained FDS exists because of things like that Tinder study.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:16 PM
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Yes, they aren't also victims of DV and other problems in relationships. It just doesn't happen. Delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:15 PM
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I've never blamed honest predatory old men either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:14 PM
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244 comments for low quality? Men hate to hear the truth but ramble about it comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:14 PM
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If you want commitment instead of love, stop blaming golddiggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:33 PM
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Many men conceal their past. No one is going to put, "I beat women" on their head when they start dating. They are different people in the beginning. FDS teaches women to look for signs of control and dominance. To also look up the man's record for history of DV.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:32 PM
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Thanks for the compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:31 PM
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This is suppose to be an argument about gender norms and misaligned expectations for women and men. The reference to FDS was just an example. This is PPD OP to debate. This isn't PPD OP to trash FDS. Low quality response.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:30 PM
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That's why FDS exists. To teach women to vet and to protect themselves. And it's called the Halo effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:28 PM
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It's below avarage fat, argumentative and entitled women, thinking they are avarage, who can't pull an attractive man for COMMITMENT. Yes, but balding, dad bod, misogynistic men thinking they are above average think they can pull an attractive woman for LOVE ? right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:27 PM
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Women carry children and naturally gain 35 pounds in pregnancy. What is men's excuse for gaining weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:23 PM
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? YOU DON'T KNOW ME OR THE WOMEN ON FEMALE DATING STRATEGY. Attractive men beat their girlfriends, they cheat, they scam women too. But you wouldn't know that BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ATTRACTIVE. Why don't you tell men to date within their leagues?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:22 PM
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Everyone is all for capitalism until women start putting their uteruses on it. Amen.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:20 PM
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FDS women are 4/10s who think they deserve 10/10s because they have a useless Is that what you tell yourself because you can't reconcile that attractive women can also be sick of getting the stick end of the relationship spectrum?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:19 PM
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I'm pro-gold digger. My views are separate from FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:04 PM
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I was being ironic when I said "gold diggers don't exist."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:02 PM
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No, his money made him inherently sexually attractive. Atleast according to WheelIntelligent1354.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:00 PM
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Yep! Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:59 PM
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Those women aren't dating rich ugly men because for money. Money makes them inherently sexually attractive. According to WheelIntelligent1354's logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:59 PM
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This is supposed to be a conversation about gender norms and values in our society, the FDS reference was introducing where I started seeing this. But you are using this OP as a way to attack FDS rather than the PPD debate. Poor quality response.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:42 PM
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Women don't age horribly. Women just aren't allowed to age. Forehead lines, "dad bods", weight gain, and even white hairs are acceptable on older men and they aren't deemed to "age horribly."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:40 PM
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Personal attacks are not allowed on PPD. Hope you get banned!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:38 PM
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>Their power(usually money or status) is inherently sexually attractive. Gold diggers do NOT exist. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:46 AM
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The link to the scientists's article is above if you still think it's a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 11:55 PM
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Did you actually watch the video? The video referenced the scientist who came up with the popularized theory of the "alpha male." That same scientist realized he was wrong and took it back but popular culture won't let it go. Source from the actual scientist here: http://www.wolf.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/267alphastatus_english.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 08:44 PM
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If you want to call data and research stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 02:07 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ti86veZBjU Alpha males don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 02:06 AM
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I don't subscribe the RP beliefs and teachings of "alpha" and "beta" males. There's no evidence such things even exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 01:55 AM
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No, it's a strategy to weed out mentally ill men who refuse to get help, women beaters, serial cheaters, and men who use women for sex. I don't believe only "alpha" men do those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 01:40 AM
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Nah. FDS was created because of fuckboys.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 01:24 AM
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No, I meant the opposite. Finding out he believes kids before marriage/forever girlfriend/life roommates is okay. You were talking about how the person has sex not their belief about sex. I could say the same about pressuring women into your value system.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 06:40 PM
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Letting a man know you don't like jackhammering can be dealt with easier than finding out one doesn't believe in kids before marriage, finding out about undealt with traumas the person refuses to deal with, wants to live across the country, etc. You are seeing whether he is compatible on a life-style and value system level before on a sexual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 06:15 PM
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"If discerning sexual compatibility were truly important to the guys who insist on it, the focus would be on waiting and ensuring the woman is fully comfortable enough to be having sex she is fully ready for."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 05:54 AM
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You're approaching the general public like a prison guard who talks down to people and assumes guilt from the start, but wonder why you can't get them to love you. The fact that you can't see that you are the source of your problems is what's leading you even further down the path of extremism. More personal attacks. Wow. And I'm the hateful and judgmental one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 05:53 AM
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Read the comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 05:39 AM
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Can you say the same? Or is that 'everyone is victimizing me' incel mindset landing you the successful relationship you desire? You should work on that before you go through life being so hateful to innocent people out looking to find a partner in good faith. As I said, if you honestly operate with this mentality you're not ready for a relationship. Do you ever walk anywhere since you can get run over by a terrorist or drunk driver at any time? If you're really so incapable of trust that you nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 05:39 AM
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The problem isn't the content of the debate or your argument or POV. We were having a healthy debate until you decided to start personal attacks. That's where I drew the line. Can you say the same? Or is that 'everyone is victimizing me' incel mindset landing you the successful relationship you desire? Personal attacks again.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 05:27 AM
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My relationships are going exactly this convo has gone: Man has disrespected me so I've bounced. May you realize now that women will no longer tolerate your bullcrap and disrespect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 05:18 AM
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And I'll leave this here with the "sexual compatibility" lie/scam you preach: https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/qvsx3l/testing\_for\_sexual\_compatibility\_is\_a\_bullshit/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 05:17 AM
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You'd detect a transgender person by the third date my way, whereas yours you'd commit to them first before realizing. You've had history with this, huh? You'd also most likely detect a married person my way since they'd be spending all night apart from their partner quick and regularly my way, but not yours. Like married people don't fake business trips from their partners. Like they don't stay out all night long and say they are with their "boys." BTW this 'queen' nonsense makes you sound just…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 05:12 AM
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if you cannot handle the ego blow that comes with it. What are you talking about? Women have been doing the other path you suggest for decades. There is a 50% rate and 80% of the divorces are the women wanting out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 03:08 AM
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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/07/dating-app-tinder-married-relationship Earn trust > Start with trust until distrust. And it's easier for you to operate that way because women seek relationships. Whereas men seek sex, so we have to operate from a protective baseline. And you didn't answer my question about the married woman or transgender woman. I have treated you with respect, sir. Do not forget you are talking to a Queen.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 02:45 AM
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Do you often have sex with people and not know they're transgender? Do you find yourself dating married people often? No, but just a hypothetical because it happens. If you're really so incapable of trust that you need to treat every new person you meet as trash and look down on them, you're not ready for a relationship. You should work on that before you go through life being so hateful to innocent people out looking to find a partner in good faith. Trust is earned. There's nothing irrational a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 02:21 AM
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If you did your 3 date paradigm with a woman, had sex, committed only to later find out she is married or she is transgender, you wouldn't feel duped? You wouldn't want to try to protect yourself from dating scam artists? There are other forms of compatibility that should be measured before sex. If those don't work, why even try to see if there is sex compatibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 01:08 AM
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The idea of picking someone you like and actually trusting them in good faith doesn't even register in your mind, does it? Do you know how many married/people in relationships who date and dupe single people? I'm not that naive. And it's not just about liking, it's about some sort of compatibility and that takes more than 3 dates to figure out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 12:39 AM
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Go clown somebody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 11:25 PM
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You commit to someone after 3 dates? Really? Mhmm
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 10:42 PM
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No, the solution wouldn't necessarily be in the long term. Because the same issues that occur during the marriage were likely always there in the man's belief system/way of life. Vetting in the beginning serves for the woman to decide what she can and cannot live with. Because if she can't live with it now, she won't be able to live with it 5 years from then. No sex before commitment allows her to logically see the situation and the man rather than be high on oxytocin love eyes and overlook flaw…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 05:28 PM
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I edited my reply to not "casual sex" but "sex before commitment." Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 05:24 PM
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The question was if you haven't already started one and she just didn't feel like having sex on the 3rd or 4th date, assuming her value system accepts casual sex sex before commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 03:35 PM
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I corrected my original post. But here is a link from Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-and-gratitude/201310/oxytocin-the-love-and-trust-hormone-can-be-deceptive "As with animals, humans enjoy the reward that comes from feeling good after sex. In nature—and sometimes in the world of humans—after receiving their ‘feel-good dose,’ the males go back to being themselves,” she said, adding, “The female view is very different with this oxytocin release.'" Here is what happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 03:30 PM
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Is that what RP men say to make themselves feel better?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 01:59 AM
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You broke PPD rules and engaged in personal attacks. That's why no one is replying to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 01:57 AM
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I have gotten over 1,0000 replies and I am keeping up. ​ No, the solution is to vet and to start holding men accountable. That's what FDS teaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 01:52 AM
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What is so cringe about it? It's more polite than "desperate woman or low self-esteem woman."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 01:06 AM
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Girl, you still haven't been banned from PPD yet for violating rules? Saw some weird RPs kept referring me to this conversation that I left because you kept breaking the rules and engaging in personal attacks. ("you're cute"; "you must be one of those people who blame poor people for not investing in expensive shoes." "You're the person mgtow warn others about.") To end this convo so people don't keep referring me back and saying I ran away: 1.) This is a conversation about child support. Child …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 11:48 PM
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What if the woman is okay with having sex after 3 dates in general (value system) but doesn't want to have sex with you on the fourth date for whatever reason (libido, menstrual period, she just doesn't feel like it or want it), you'd drop her like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 10:15 PM
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Then it's the manipulation "seeing how he reacts to saying no" so we're doing token resistance as a grown ass woman It's a way to vet men who have control issues, it's not a form of mind games.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 10:10 PM
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Because of biology. Women produce oxytocin after sex --a hormone that causes them to become attached to their sexual partner. Men do not produce this hormone after sex. Men do not react the same way to this hormone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 10:07 PM
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The fact that you think you are entitled to sex after 3 dates is why FDS exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 04:20 PM
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what's a "pickmei A woman who allows herself to be exploited just to have a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 03:43 PM
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FDS doesn't teach gold digging. That is just my personal belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 03:36 PM
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???
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 03:25 PM
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You think most women are actually happy their kids' family has broken up ?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 05:22 AM
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This is selective bias. Some women in FDS do chase dollars but that is not a central tenet of FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 05:15 AM
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No, I don't condone cheating. I have never seen FDS condone cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 05:12 AM
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Where are the other examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 04:13 AM
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Think it's smart advice. Women produce oxytocin after sex and it causes attachment. That woman would be setting themselves up for suffering if they chose the man rather than the vibrator.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 04:13 AM
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It was already shown that the "FDS Coach" and post they referred to was written by a troll and not an actual FDS person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 03:54 AM
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I didn't see any of the posts you speak of to disprove anything. And I don't see it as the same thing. Golddigging is a result of men being shallow and ageist in a capitalist system. I don't see myself or any women who gold dig as monsters nor the men as "victims."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 03:42 AM
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You said nothing to rebut anything I posted. Just unsupported assumptions. You also seem to have selective bias in the things you have "seen" on FDS. A HVM is based on how the man treats you. And yes to the last comment. I openly advocate for golddiggers and advocate against gold digger shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 03:32 AM
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Not at all. They are saying that FDS consists of mostly overweight women with no proof , that they simply teach go to after rich men which isn't true. One post was to an alleged link on FDS that was actually a troll. I'm actually waiting for actual facts that answer the OP. I've also gotten a lot of personal attacks by angry RPs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 03:16 AM
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I'm not arguing. If the commenter is presenting an argument based on misinformed facts, then of course, I will reply. I'm also getting a lot of personal attacks by angry RPs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 03:12 AM
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Um advertisers use commercials to sway people? There is literally a branch of marketing dedicated to commercials and using media to pervade our minds. Are you actually saying the media cannot psychologically influence people?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 03:07 AM
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Re-link.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 03:05 AM
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paying for EVERY date, is wife treatment Men just considered this "normal" treatment back in the day. Paying for her bills is wife treatment. When did FDS ask for women to pay for their bills before marriage? I’m referring to when a bf and gf don’t live together and aren’t married, FDS still expects the man to be generous and giving with the woman and the woman is still not supposed to clean his place, not cook, not move in with him, not pay for anything if she does live with him and don’t do gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 03:05 AM
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If he is that dumb to actually think a 20 year old wants him for his "personality," he isn't the type of guy I'd want anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 03:00 AM
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50% of marriages fail and 80% of those divorces are initiated by women. If men were so uncomplicated, women wouldn't be balking marriages. SOMETHING has to be wrong for women to end marriages and create subs like FDS. The problem isn't FDS. The problem is men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 02:58 AM
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I'd actually consider myself objectively attractive considering my dating pool history. That's your problem: in your mind, FDS women MUST be ugly, overweight, have personality disorders, etc. That's the only way to justify men's behaviors and why women would join FDS. Believe it or not, attractive women CAN be on FDS. Attractive women can be victims of men who are married and lie about it, and the other 42% of scammers on dating apps: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/07/dating-app…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 02:07 AM
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Personal attacks not allowed on PPD! And the question is what is wrong with the PRINCIPLES and TEACHINGS of FDS. Re-read the OP before you call my post a troll post.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 01:53 AM
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I'm not ignoring anyone. Your reply got buried by the other 500 replies. and I don't get what my old post has to do with you saying, "I wouldn't bother reading it." Oh you mean the person who broke the rules of Purple Pill Debate and engaged in personal attacks so I refuse to continue the debate with?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 01:47 AM
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This is a LIE. No FDS dating coach posted that. That was a troll post.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 01:34 AM
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With the 50% divorce rate, 80% of those divorces initiated by women, doesn't seem these other rules are working for men either?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 01:27 AM
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I finally got to your reply. This wasn't written by an FDS coach. It was a troll. Look at the comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 01:22 AM
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Your point? Some women don't go looking for FDS. They are on reddit for other stuff, hear about it, look at it by chance, and realize all the lies the patriarchy and libfem culture has taught women and why 50% of marriages fail and 80% of women file for divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 01:20 AM
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I've never seen them teach that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 01:11 AM
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Not true. HV is about how a man treats you. A rich man who beats women up is not HV and should be avoided at all costs!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 01:04 AM
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Let's break this down first. You consider paying for a date wife treatment? And what about when there are no kids and they live separate. FDS says not to live in before marriage and definitely not to have kids before marriage. Why is a man giving wife treatment to a woman who is not giving husband treatment? I'm sincerely not understanding this. Can you elaborate more?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 01:03 AM
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HVM all want diseased women? And 3 months is not a long time to wait, Jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 01:00 AM
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Your other arguments have already been addressed by other people. HV is not just how the man looks or how much money, it's how he treats you. FDS has some backwards ass views, like men should pay and treat and buy but women should work and just be able to save their money. Argument is also the conclusion. Circular. This is not backwards. Women provide physical labor in cleaning, cooking and raising children. 50/50 on bill is a scam if those other things are also not 50/50. No, they teach them to…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 12:49 AM
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Sounds like you and FDS are on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 12:44 AM
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Your argument, your burden. And if you easily reviewed the stat., you should have no problem re-finding it and showing it. Cat got your tongue. Your entire argument about FDS women being obese is centered on your stats that you can't even provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 12:38 AM
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Looking up to see if he is married on the court records, look to see if he has a history of domestic violence, how he reacts to being told "no", etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 12:37 AM
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Many people run into FDS on accident. I never heard of it until so many people kept mentioning it on PPD. Y'all make it famous and give it clout.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 12:31 AM
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Leave golddiggers alone. They have nothing to do with FDS. That's a separate thing and debate. And I'm a golddigger with a master's degree, not all gds are dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 12:25 AM
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Why would it appeal to golddiggers? Golddiggers aren't looking for love.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 12:23 AM
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The Cinderella/Disney Scam is pervasive. It's unconsciously indoctrinated. And it's not just those childhood, but false hollywood media that teaches that women can learn to love ugly men. One movie that comes to mind is that movie, "Knocked Up." It's all in those hallmark and Lifetime movies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 12:22 AM
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166 million women in the US so that’s more than half of the US population Your stats on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 12:18 AM
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But you told me to "keep shouting that." So I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 12:16 AM
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A rich man/good looking man who beats women up is NOT HVM
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 12:13 AM
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>But I never known a woman who had to be told to not date an ugly man with bad hygiene. I agree with your statement about the hygiene since I'm sensitive to the nose and couldn't tolerate it and don't know how anybody could. But women are taught to "overlook" looks and go for personality. Beauty and the beast and other movies. They are also falsely taught that ugly men will treat them better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 12:07 AM
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What percentage of the 68% are women? If your stats are correct, wouldn't that also transcribe to that the majority of women AND men in the dating game are overweight? I'm FDS and I'm not obese by a long shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 11:44 PM
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So you're claiming there's no look component... This is literally saying not only is there a look component but that the man must look better than you. There is a look component, but it not all looks is what I am saying. And send me the link to the "HVM" advice you just pasted.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 11:38 PM
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Do you need a link to the handbook?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 11:37 PM
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3/4 of the women are there are overweight and need much attitude improvement You've met all 3/4 of the 200k members right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 11:35 PM
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Because in your mind FDS women are all ugly, old, overweight women with personality disorders, right? In your mind, they have to be in order to reconcile and justify men's behavior. Believe it or not, attractive women still get used by men who lie and say they are married. Men still won't marry them and expect them to be forever girlfriends. (Look at Nikki Bella). They are still the victims of domestic violence and other controlling behaviors. HV is in the way the man treats you not just in his …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 11:34 PM
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>FDS is not for the hot 20 yo blond sorority chick Any woman can get used for sex no matter how attractive they are. Used by men who are married and didn't tell them, especially attractive ones. Any woman can be a victim of domestic violence. >Seems to me it’s about helping women who’ve been conditioned to expect and accept shit behavior from men to de-program. You mean the U.S. and all western countries where the media and libfem culture teaches women to be pickmeishas and remnants of the patri…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 11:25 PM
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Saying it is fine to have a fuckboy on the side while you make the HVM wait. Why are you making the guy you want more wait and are treating him worse? Excuse me, FDS does not advocate casual sex. You must be thinking of Libfem subreddits. >If you are ugly you better have a good personality and treat the guy better to compensate for it Sounds like you and FDS are on the same page with this. This is exactly what ugly men do. Ugly but still treat women like crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 11:19 PM
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They can instead find someone younger, prettier, and with a far better personality than you. Sounds like it's men who are the entitled ones. Delusional too if they think younger women want them for their "personality."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 11:14 PM
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You think HV is just about looks, when it's about how a man treats you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 11:10 PM
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I'm a proud FDS newbie! I'm a proud FDS newbie! I'm a proud FDS newbie.! I'm a proud FDS newbie!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 11:08 PM
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Not at all. They teach to take care of yourself, displaying femininity, therapy and other tools to improve yourself and your happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 11:00 PM
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They mean in a relative way. They are saying to stop lowering standards for men who are ugly when compared to you and men women are just straight up not attracted to but are "taught" to give a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 10:57 PM
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Don't know until you try.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 10:53 PM
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Still didn't read what ever you posted. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 10:38 PM
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Didn't read anything you wrote. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 10:31 PM
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​ But you're there, trying to decide what men complain about. Girl, have you been on MGMOW? They complain about child support all the time and don't feel it should even exist. Look all over the men's rights groups. They complain about child support all the time. They don't just complain about "have to pay for children who aren't theirs, who they haven't access to, or whom their mother don't participate in supporting." Most men who don't fight for custody do it because they can't afford lawyers o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 10:16 PM
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Not working after divorce raise the child support. It is not an alimony issue This is a debate about men not showing up to child support court, getting defaulted and claiming to be victims of the court system later. You don't seem to get that. You are going on a tangent about different stuff. Since you are going off topic, I am not going to respond to a topic that diverges from the OP. ​ Men complain that women always win even if they go, that they can ask endlessly and lengthen the process just…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 09:33 PM
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With consent of the other parties..... That's not what is fair "This new UPA relies on a rebuttable presumption that a married man is the father of his wife’s children. The presumption can be rebutted now, but not without constraints. For example, a husband’s paternity can be disestablished with the voluntary consent of all three parties (the mother, her husband, and the biological father)—or, if consent is not possible, then by a suit to disestablish paternity brought within two years of a chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 08:55 PM
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Most states have enacted disestablishment of paternity laws in recent years. They can disestablish even after 3 years. As far as mom's staying stay-at-home moms even after the divorce, sounds like an alimony debate which is different from child support. You are going on a tangent. We are talking about men not showing up for child support hearings.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 08:13 PM
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I'm really not understanding your last comment. File so often? Who says they aren't working?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 07:08 PM
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No, I'm the kind of person who if receive a summons from the court saying if I don't show up I will lose automatically, I show up and atleast try. I don't not show up, make no effort, lose automatically and am put on child support then bitch about to strangers on reddit that the "court system is messed up" for years and years.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 06:39 PM
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18 years of child support puts a man's income in even more jeopardy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 03:49 PM
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At some point he either goes to court or lose his job. ????? The women show up not represented by counsel. They just have to show up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 03:34 PM
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Show up without lawyer but get to tell your side of the story and give judge your expenses to lower child support vs don't show and lose automatically...mhmm
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/21 03:23 AM
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The mother also made it difficult for the man to show up to court too, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 01:59 AM
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No, there was no bias. I worked for the court system and was required to show up for all of the child support hearings. The entire state child support system was based on men just not showing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 02:20 PM
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Re-read the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 03:44 AM
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Stop complaining about child support if you don't show up knowing if you don't show up, you automatically get slapped with child support!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 03:36 AM
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Lawyer or not, you still need to show up. If you don't show up, with or without lawyer, you automatically lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 02:58 AM
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Sounds like they create their own self-fulling prophecy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 01:57 AM
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The point is: men don't show up to the child support hearing, get default and automatically lose, then complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 01:37 AM
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I've seen men win custody when they were clearly the fittest parent for those kids! (Mom was absent in and out and wanted to be a weekend mom). If that's what you think of the court system, then you either show up to court to try to do something about then whine on reddit, but not do anything then whine on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 01:09 AM
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The entire problem of the child support system - apart from the glaring issue I already provided - is that the man's funds go directly to the woman and NOT to the child . Therefore in actual fact it is Woman Support and NOT Child Support . It goes to the child's share cost of the monthly water bill, the electric bill, child's share of groceries and food, child's bedroom cost share of the monthly rent. That's why it is called child support. Living isn't free for anyone. The child's cost of living…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 12:28 AM
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Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 12:22 AM
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No, that's not the presumption at all. They show up and do the exact thing the woman does. They show up and tell the judge what they want, show they are a fit parent and provide the financials and other data needed to make the support calculation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 12:19 AM
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You don't need a lawyer to show up to court.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 11:19 PM
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The Court system isn't against men. Majority of men don't show up for court, majority lose by default, and then use the statistic of them losing to say spread the "the system is against us."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 11:18 PM
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They tell people to come to a settlement agreement, they don't tell them not to show up to court and lose by default!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 11:05 PM
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That's NOT true! You don't know unless you show to court!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 11:04 PM
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Personal attacks are not allowed on PPD!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 11:03 PM
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You don't need a a lawyer just to show up to court.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 10:30 PM
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I'll leave it to the women to reply to this! The concept of what child support is (paying for the child's cost of living, i.e. food, electricity, water to shower, bedroom to sleep in, etc. ) and why it exists (not the state's and tax payers' responsibility to pay for your child's cost of living) has already been explained on this post. >Men do not choose to be fathers. Women and only women have that legal freedom/right/privilege and choice in life. Wrap it up. Vasectomies are reversible. Practic…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 10:24 PM
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It is NOT a show trial! LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 10:17 PM
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why should chad, badboy, fboy show up? Uhh 'cause they're going to automatically get slapped with 18 years of child support if they don't? 'Cause his wages will be garnished, tax returns will be withheld and social security retirement benefits will be garnished until he pays it all off? I'd say that's PLENTY reason to show up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 10:16 PM
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As a user said: "I knew I was going to do poorly on many exams in high school and college, I still showed up and tried my best!" And that's a test! Imagine if it was a kid and 18 years of child support at risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 10:11 PM
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Bullshit. Lawyers who charge for every 6 minutes of their time don't want court cases?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 10:05 PM
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Take. care. of. your. children. period.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 09:58 PM
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The summons is in English, Spanish and French. There's even an option to call for people who are hearing impaired and people who have disabilities and need accommodation to come to court. The summons also specifically tells you if you don't show up, you automatically lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 09:47 PM
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You don't get it. How is the "court system" going to know men are getting "screwed" if men don't even show up to court?! USA!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 09:40 PM
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Mhm 2 hours of missed work plus gas to commute to court or automatic 18 years worth child support? I'd take the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 09:39 PM
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USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 09:36 PM
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Costs nothing to show up to court! No lawyer is going to advise you not to show up when you will lose automatically! A lawyer advising you to settle or go to mediation is not the same as advising someone defy a judge's orders, not show up and lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 08:32 PM
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It costs nothing to show up to court.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 08:15 PM
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Nope. I'm directly saying that men don't show up to their day in court, get slapped on with child support and then blame others for the situation. I'm saying they take no accountability for their alleged misery.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 02:39 PM
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They don't want custody. They are okay being weekend dads or the "fun time" parent. It only becomes an issue when they realize that because they don't have custody, they have to pay child support. It is about them and their bank accounts, not the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 04:58 AM
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Who are the men complaining on Reddit about child support then? Fine, I'll change it to "blame the system."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 04:37 AM
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Wrong. A child custody case is not child support case. Two separate things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 04:08 AM
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I don't understand. How is child support punishment? Living isn't free for anyone. Every time that child takes a shower, that's a cost. Uses electricity, that's a cost. Eats food? That's a cost. That extra bedroom for the child? That's a higher cost apartment. Why should only the mother bear the child's cost of living?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 04:03 AM
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You still don't get it. Either person - man or woman- could be left in a shitty situation if their baby mother/father dies unexpectedly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 12:59 AM
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You still don't get it. He would still have to leave the money to the Wife in order for the money not to be held for the kids until they are 18. In addition, because they are unmarried, she would have to pay taxes on the inherited property!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 05:07 PM
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Nope. Unmarried men don't even have the right to weekend visitation! NOTHING.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 05:05 PM
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Nope, waiting lists!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 05:04 PM
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Agreed. Why I posted this so other people don't make this mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 03:49 AM
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A lawyer wouldn't solve it. Without marriage, she would not have been entitled to social security benefits, tax rights, inheriting property without paying taxes, the right to sue on his behalf and a list of other rights as his legal next of kin.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 02:43 AM
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> it is a scam for men If most men only knew that unmarried fathers have no automatic custody rights to their children. The law is that if a child is born out of wedlock, custody belongs only to the mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 02:36 AM
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Discouraging men? From making sure their kids are taken care of when they die?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 02:33 AM
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Everything listed in the OP. No right to social security benefits, no right to sue on his behalf, no tax rights, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 02:32 AM
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Men can but won't. They have a live in maid, chef, personal assistant, who is also raising his children the 50% of the time he is suppose to be, why do it? II want to see men start doing that before complaining "she gets half." And dropping your kid off at a babysitter isn't the same as "raising a child."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 02:31 AM
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She wasn't eligible when a man was in the house. And the vouchers and those daycares have waiting lists.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:48 AM
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Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:44 AM
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I still don't get the analogy. They were together. She loved him and wanted to marry him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:42 AM
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to a lazy woman who does nothing Raising kids, cleaning, cooking, organizing bills, organizing HIS life are not work?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:41 AM
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> There’s other legal ways to solve this that involves less paperwork. That's not true! Even if he got all these documents together, there are rights she still wouldn't be entitled to!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:39 AM
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He didn't anticipate dying so young. Died less than 3 weeks after finding out he had cancer.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:12 AM
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She was a stay-at-home mom. Work/send the kids to daycare wouldn't be cost-efficient. She'd be working just to pay for daycare.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:10 AM
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Why would she care? Shouldn't she be thrilled he left money for the kids? You don't get it. There was no will. When there is no will, your money goes automatically to your kids. He didn't leave money for the kids, the money went to the kids automatically by law. The money is managed until the kids are 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:08 AM
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Assets you have BEFORE marriage are NOT marital assets. They are yours and only yours. There's an exception if you commingle your assets with his (i.e. transfer your pre-marital money to a shared bank account after marriage). But unless you do this, default rule applies.
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy14/11/21 11:58 PM
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They are straight up delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 04:32 AM
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The problem is when men starting shaming the younger women for being golddiggers. Young women want young men. They date older men for resources and to get a leap on the rat race of capitalism. Either shame both the older man and the young woman or let the system be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 04:15 AM
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You provide the citation since you made the original claim about gay couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 03:45 AM
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Why is DV almost non-existent in gay couples? I'm going to get to the rest of your arguments after work. But this is A HUGE lie. Gay relationships have just as much fighting as heterosexual and lesbian couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 03:51 PM
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Social pressure to dress certain type of ways that cater to men. If you want to call those type of ways sexy, that's just a correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 02:22 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 02:20 AM
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Firstly groups like Fathers4Justice disagree. Fathers4LowerChildSupport is what their name should be. Previous comments apply. It's about money, not the kids. Alimony is fair? Alimony is slavery period. You're forced to work and the money earned is given to your ex. Alimony is fair. Wife staying at home with kids is never a problem for years and years while Husband benefits off of it. It only becomes a problem when alimony is an issue. What about all the men being incarcerated for child support?…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 02:18 AM
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If you want to call social pressure and shaming a "choice"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 02:02 AM
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The OP said we aren't comparing to countries like Iran or Saudi Arabia where women don't have legal rights. We are comparing to countries like Egypt, Turkey where women have legal rights too, but a patriarchy still exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 02:01 AM
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Sexy to please men. Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 11:19 PM
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Why? What do the gain from that as opposed to a full top and shorts?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 11:08 PM
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You still don't get it. We aren't talking just talking about legal rights. The existence of legal rights does not determine whether the patriarchy still exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 11:05 PM
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I can't tell if you're being serious or facetious. But I'm laughing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:38 PM
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You're still don't get it then. Patriarchy in the third world isn't far removed from the patriarchy here in the U.S.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:31 PM
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Family Courts - Fair. Most men only want 50/50 to lower child support. They are okay being weekend/other weekend dads. Nothing unfair here. Alimony is fair. 50/50 is also fair. Male Incarceration --> Product of men's higher level of testosterone and inability/refusal to resort to sex/work so they resort to theft Male suicide rates --> Need stats on this. Never seen this. Workplace deaths ---> Product of capitalism. Not saying life is easy. But women also have problems caused by capitalism, famil…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 10:30 PM
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I haven't seen evidence of wiring of the brain that causes them to be submissive even when they may be in danger. It is social conditioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:57 PM
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Please. Emancipation in name only. They were emancipated to continue to please and benefit men. That's not emancipation. It was a farce to get them to shut up but maintain the system of dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:55 PM
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USA Egypt Saudi Arabia Iran Afghanistan
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:55 PM
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And men still benefit from that "social and psychosexual" emancipation. Was it really emancipation?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 06:05 PM
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Really? Lol. I hope you are being facetious. How do you define patriarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 05:33 PM
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What do you mean? There are gender studies on this!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 05:28 PM
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Patriarchal: A society that caters to men's wants and needs either through legal mandate or indirectly through social and cultural influence.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 04:34 PM
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Are you serious? It is proven in social psychology that girls are taught to be submissive, to beware of manners and politeness while boys are taught to win and to lead. It transcends in to adulthood. There are grown women who have sex out of politeness because of how they were socialized as children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 04:32 PM
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Re-read the OP. I said this isn't comparing the U.S. to places like Saudi Arabia and Iran where women can't drive and vote or have legal rights. I said compare America to muslim countries where women do have legal rights like Egypt, Turkey, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 04:31 PM
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You still don't get it. The team management made that decision because they knew that this mode of dress would be socially accepted by the women on the team. It is not a habit. It is a reflection of the values that women have accepted in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 04:29 PM
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Yes. What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 04:27 PM
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Yes, there is. Women are subservient and submissive indirectly in America. They are taught to do things "not to be rude" or not to offend people's feelings. They are expected to do things just to be "nice." When a woman says, "no" or doesn't fit into that status quo, that woman is shamed as "rude", "bitch", "difficult" and told to "watch her tone." She is ostracized until she conforms. The consequences and punishment in Egypt are physical abuse where the consequences and punishment for not being…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 04:27 PM
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Yes, but there has to be some baseline or common denominator that American women share. Or else they wouldn't be "American women." They would be women who hold American citizenship, that's it. How come all of the American women in the women's volleyball team dressed the in the sports bra and bikini bottom? Something had to pull them all, despite them from being different generations of immigrants, races, cultures, religions, to choose to dress like that, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 06:05 AM
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Why is this even on CMV? Everyone already knows this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 12:32 AM
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If a man just says he will but doesn't then she's gone. That's how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/20 01:12 AM
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They must be right on some level since a man is willing to finance her life in exchange for her being with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/20 01:06 AM
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How exactly can women use men for money when men are getting not just pussy but ELITE pussy, companionship, ego inflation from being able to walk with a beautiful woman on their arms, good genes for his kids, and all that comes with a wife and mother?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/20 12:38 AM
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Yes, shame on us! Still laughing to the bank with no shame though. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/20 08:57 PM
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Wow this statement is shocking. It is saying that women capriciously use the term "rapist" in an abstract manner, and further undermines women's accusations of rape. Stereotypes and statements like this are exactly why women are not believed when they report rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/20 08:55 PM
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I mean Title VII. Both are engaging in "bad" behavior, both only one sex gets shamed. Even if men get some shame, it is not at the same level as women. What is the term for men who buy pretty wives? Who pump and dump women? And can you find those terms in the dictionary the way you find golddigger? The shame against women is much more deep. And shows that women are being more punished for bad behavior, when men also engage in bad behavior. That's the disparate treatment and discrimination. You d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 08:43 PM
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You clearly don't know how to engage in a debate with the constant ad hominen attacks. And this is after, you called Title SEVEN title nine, a completely different law, then claim you are a wizard of understanding disparate treatment and discrimination. Good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 08:38 PM
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Disparate Treatment is a way to show discrimination under Title SEVEN. Title 9 is a whole different law. If you are treating two groups differently for doing the same thing, it's because there is bias. If you are treating women differently for doing the same thing men are doing...bias. That's why it's discrimination. I.e. Studied Title IV for almost whole year.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 08:33 PM
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this will not stop men to enjoy the fruits of their hard work which was needed to even reach the point of using women for their bodies Can you elaborate on what you mean here?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:02 PM
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Gold digger shaming is a form of discrimination in the same way that rapist shaming is a form of discrimination. How could you even compare something like that to rape? I shouldn't even have to explain nor will I argue why rape is a level of degree to that should be shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:01 PM
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The point is he knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:51 PM
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So what??
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:50 PM
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https://www.americanbar.org/groups/young_lawyers/projects/no-limits/proving-title-vii-discrimination-in-2019/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:50 PM
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A poor example? The law would say that is quite a fine example. Treating an African-American different for doing the same than as a Caucasian would be considered a form of discrimination under our current laws. You don't treat the second group different for doing the same thing as the first group unless there is a bias, which is why our government considers disparate treatment a form of discrimination. https://www.americanbar.org/groups/young_lawyers/projects/no-limits/proving-title-vii-discrimi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:49 PM
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Disparate treatment is a form of discrimination. You don't treat the second group differently for doing the same thing the first group does unless there is bias. Men are shamed left and right. What is the name for men who pump and dump women? Who buy wives? And is that name in the dictionary? Women who date wealthy men for money have literally been designated a derogatory name and this is not some colloquial term, but one found in the dictionary. The same against golddiggers is deep in our socie…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:42 PM
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I grew up here. I understand them well. And gold digging is present in every society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:11 AM
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Your biased opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 04:07 AM
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Men obtaining sex with fraudulent declarations of love is something that deserves derogatory nomenclature. Please provide a derogatory nomenclature for men who engage in this behavior....
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:58 AM
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It's NOT fraud. The man knows she is there for money. Trump thinks Melania actually loves him??
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:56 AM
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In my culture, lots of people get arranged. Some learn to love their spouses, some don't. Love is not necessary for a marriage to function. If western people stopped equating love to marriage, maybe their marriages would last.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:55 AM
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There was no fraud. The men know. Whether they want to deny it is something else. You don't have to love your husband to be a good wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:35 AM
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Says who? And what is so shameful about prostitution/sex work?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:19 AM
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Exactly. This is a debate. You either join or your sit back. The comments seem like you are attacking because you disagree with my position on the debate. If you disagreed with the argument I was making, you would have responded to the comment and the reasoning as to why you disagree, not attack me. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 02:37 AM
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So what if I spelled it incorrectly? I clearly know and understood the idea. You probably had to google it. While I appreciate the constant attention you are paying to me, I don't believe it will serve you well to converse with a person who in your estimation is not very bright. Good night.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 02:35 AM
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"ad ho·mi·nem /ˌad ˈhämənəm/ adjective (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. "vicious ad hominem attacks"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 02:31 AM
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Ad-homen attacks are not very bright.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 02:26 AM
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Overturning Wade is all the supreme court could do, and that would align just fine with her statements....she said she can't do it as an appellate justice And I stated that if by some miracle it was overturned, the issue would return to each state, and each state would decide its laws on abortion. Abortion would remain legal in many states. Congress, especially a Republican majority Senate, would NEVER pass a ban. EVER. That single issue is their base for evangelicals, some Catholics and other p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 01:34 AM
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Am I controlling speech or am I encouraging our society to adopt speech that doesn't demoralize and belittle women, in addition speech that is an extension of discrimination against women? I obviously can't police the speech communicated by every single individual in this country. But I can call out attention to this topic to make that individual question why they would want to use that speech. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 01:19 AM
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Way to disrespect a classic american novel!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:54 AM
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A woman that gets pregnant outside of marriage is a rapist through deception. ? Please "dumb" it down for a me a little more.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:53 AM
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Not if it is meant to demoralize and belittle women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:52 AM
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What? Men use women for sex, but women are the rapists??
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:46 AM
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LOL I am waiting for one of the women on this sub to come eat you alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:43 AM
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If the woman is raising the child and performing the majority of child rearing tasks, how is that transferring 100% responsibility to men? Take care of your children or have a vasectomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:40 AM
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Unless you understand what disparate treatment is, and what makes it a form of discrimination, you will never get it. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:39 AM
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lady an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. If you are calling it "eye for an eye" then you are saying that treating women as sex objects is bad and should be shamed upon in this society? I'm not saying women should be gold diggers. I'm saying it should be okay if a woman chooses to be a gold digger, if men are allowed in this society to treat women like sex objects. Freedom for all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:38 AM
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I am simply explaining that disparate treatment--treating two groups for the same behavior--assumes there is a negative bias in doing--and reasonably, it is a form of discrimination Read this again.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:35 AM
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Not necessarily...if they have a prenup, she will have to face that. Point is she doesn't always get money after divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:33 AM
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Disparate treatment is a form of discrimination. That's what you fail to realize. If you consider women using men for money more shame worthy than men using women for their bodies and beauty, that's discrimination!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:32 AM
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Good luck changing the way people speak. Thanks. Hopefully calling men (and all people who shame gold diggers but don't shame men) out will help change the landscape.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:31 AM
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Any person who don't want to work for a good life style but is demanding it and tries to use shortcuts is to shame for it. That's fine. Just also shame men who use women for their bodies. Shame men who pay for pretty wives. That's all I am saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:30 AM
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I am not trying to compare gold digging to the plight of African-Americans and why they are legally a protected class. I am simply explaining that disparate treatment--treating two groups for the same behavior--assumes there is a negative bias in doing--and reasonably, it is a form of discrimination
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:28 AM
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Divorce exists. She can have the money without the man. Not necessarily. It all depends on the number of years they were married and the amount of money earned DURING the marriage, not before.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:13 AM
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How about "money chaser"?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:12 AM
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Disparate treatment of two groups is a form of discrimination period. Treating African Americans differently than Caucasians for doing the same act would be a form of discrimination under the law. Same thing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:11 AM
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Shaming a behavior is not discrimination against a person. You still don't get it. It's not just the shaming. It's shaming one gender more severely than the other for similar behavior. That's the discrimination. Treating two groups differently for the same behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:05 AM
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But it asserts the idea that she is with the man because he is rich. Which is accurate. And a gold digger is after the man. Well both. She is after the man, because he has money. You can't have the money without the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:04 AM
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Nope. Pay to date a beautiful woman or date your looks match.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 12:02 AM
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How about "rich man seeker"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 11:26 PM
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Men would shame a woman if she left her partner while he was sick with some terminal or life altering disease. This isn't a good analogy as this is something both sexes would get shamed for on the same degree. If those women suddenly lost their looks, would those men not cheat or leave? >plenty enthusiastic about sex with young, beautiful women. That's fine. Just understand that if you are not young looking and attractive, those women will only have sex with you if you pay for their lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 11:25 PM
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> Why does the term "gold digger" exist? Because it is useful to communicate an idea. If that were the case, why not call her a "rich man bagger" or even a "trophy wife?" Those are more neutral terms "to describe an idea," since that is simply the goal, right? To describe an idea. Seems like it is used to describe a belittle and shame than to simply express an idea. I heard the term "gold digger" when I was 8 years old. Hell, there is a popularized song about golddiggers. I've never heard the te…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 11:13 PM
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Yes women who have sex for money are, by definition, prostitutes. What are women who have sex for free called?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 10:18 PM
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Anyway, get over it, it's just a word and people are allowed to have opinions. Get over women using men for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 10:14 PM
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You're literally being sexist here and discriminating against men by basically saying that men can't be gold diggers. I never said men can't be golddigers. Not even once.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 10:11 PM
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I'm sure men will start dating women "because they like them" and not for their looks
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 11:23 PM
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False analogy. Giving the man access to a body he otherwise would not have access to, improving the gene pool for his children, companionship and marriage. Sounds like a fair trade to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 07:55 PM
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Please stop attempting to portray me as homophobic. It's disrespectful and not who I am. The responder said he was indifferent to the female gender. I reasonably assumed this was saying he was gay or bisexual and was not interested in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 02:29 PM
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I'm assuming you are gay or bisexual. Well, I can't pretend I have knowledge of the LGBT, but I have a lot of friends who identify and I can tell you golddiggers exist in that community. There's alot of older men who want to date young men and the gold digging phenomenon exists there. It's kind of what you stated earlier: "gold digging is a universal dating mechanism."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 12:43 AM
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So why hate gold diggers.....you made the comment, not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 12:40 AM
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Those are risks in all marriages no matter who you marry....
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 10:28 PM
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If men don't like the game and are disappointed, get out of the game and start dating their looks match. Something tells me they won't despite the "disappointment." So being being a wife, a mother, and all those duties are just extra steps + prostitution? Something tells me your mother would be disappointed that is how you view her role.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 04:00 PM
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Haters going to hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 03:47 PM
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I just don't feel sorry for men who insist on 9+ women, but don't understand that those women don't want average joes unless they will be getting something in return. I'm tired of them playing the victim and portraying themselves as gullible children. They understand the game. You pay to play. That, or date women who are your looks match.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 03:46 PM
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Who said she was lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 03:39 PM
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She's a gold digger. So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 03:38 PM
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I'm not going to continue this back and forth. You clearly insist and are deliberately labeling gold diggers prostitutes. You refuse to acknowledge your role in society stigmatizing gold digging as shameful when you deliberately associate it with the word prostitution. Which it is NOT. You also say that men are bitter because they'll never be loved for who they are. Of course, they won't. Not when they are a 5 and insist a woman who is a 9+. Those women only sleep with men who are also 9+ or ave…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 04:12 AM
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or be associated with things society sees as negative. That's the point. Society wouldn't see it as shameful if people like you weren't equating golddiggers to prostitutes. You create and perpetuate the stigma against gold diggers. Sharing her life at an exuberant cost under the guise of true companionship. At least a prostitute is upfront about her intentions. Gold-diggers just pretend as long as it’s convenient and bails at her leisure. God forbid you’re married to her lol. And of course she i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 02:58 AM
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Well said! Amen!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 02:48 AM
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These things should be born organically through your relationship. Says who? There's list of men willing to buy. the things that should be free (her body, her love, her time) Says who? Who the fuck sells companionship? Prostitutes. Incorrect. Prostitutes share one transaction or a few hours with a person. A "gold digger" is sharing her life with you. None said she's offended. Just that there's no reason to call her that name. Why not call her a smart woman who plays the game well to assure a sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 02:29 AM
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They are selling more than just sex. They are selling companionship, being the mother to their children and sharing their lives with them. I hardly call that a sex worker/prostitution. No one said the women feel shame. Just that those name are designed to illicit shame. You are exactly shaming them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 02:11 AM
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There wouldn't be "lying prostitutes" if men weren't willing to buy. I don't see anyone name shaming men who buy pretty wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 01:59 AM
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How does wanting money make someone a prostitute? Everyone wants money!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 01:51 AM
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Why is a gold digger a prostitute?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 01:46 AM
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So being a girlfriend/wife = prostitute is what you are saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 01:18 AM
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Men who are not gullible will never accept a gold digger. That is a fact. In denial does not = gullible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 01:01 AM
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I'm tired of people portraying these men as gullible, and comparing golddigging to exploiting the elderly is a GROSS exaggeration and outright disrespectful. The majority of these wealthy men are AVERAGE to less than average joes who insist on a pretty woman. Why else would a pretty woman be with this average joe? These men can run million dollar companies but cannot deduce that she is there in exchange for money and status? You're telling me Donald Trump doesn't know Melania isn't attracted to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 12:53 AM
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So a person can still be a "real girlfriend" even though she is playing the role for economic reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 08:39 PM
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So then a person can be a "real girlfriend" or a "real wife" regardless of why they are in the relationship..no.... I feel like you are shooting yourself in the foot trying to maintain your view.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 08:32 PM
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So Melania Trump is not Trump's wife? So all the other women who are legally married are not "really wives" because they married for money?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 08:14 PM
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A golddiger can never be a girlfriend or a wife? Melania trump is a golddiger, is she not a wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 08:00 PM
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You can’t say that a girlfriend is playing the same role without the money because a prostitute who doesn’t get paid is not a prostitute. I agree. I am not calling girlfriends/wives prostitutes. They are not prostitutes. I am saying your OP is implying that prostitutes do the same role/type of things that a girlfriend/wife does. Except prostitutes get paid. I feel like we are going in circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 06:28 PM
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She's a girlfriend, except instead of playing the role for love, she plays the role for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 06:01 PM
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I know. Your OP is implying that a girlfriend/wife and a prostitute conceptually perform the same role, except a prostitute gets paid. And that payment is the one degree that separates them and makes a prostitute a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 05:50 PM
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I not calling girlfriends/wives prostitutes. I am saying based on your OP, it has to be implied that wives/girlfriends do the same role that prostitutes do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 05:40 PM
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Yes, but saying that a golddigger who is a basically performs the role of girlfriend for money is conceptually the same as prostitute, you are then saying that a regular girlfriend/wife and a prostitute do the same thing, except a prostitute gets paid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 05:31 PM
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But you are saying that a girlfriend/wife basically play the same role that prostitutes do....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 05:10 PM
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If goldigger = plays role of girlfriend/ for money. Goldigger = conceptually the same as prostitute. Then you are saying that a girlfriend/wife does the same role as a prostitutes, except minus the money. The money received is the only degree that separates between what a standard girlfriend/wife does/is and what a prostitute does is what you have to be implying then.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 04:53 PM
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Ok, then that goes back to my response. A prostitution is getting money in exchange for performing sex acts/other acts. A gold digger receiving money in exchange for playing the role of a girlfriend and/or wife. Whether there is deception or not doesn’t matter, the role she is playing is that of a girlfriend/wife. So if you are going to say that being a gold digger is conceptually the same to being a prostitute, you are saying that being a girlfriend or wife do the same thing as prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 04:32 PM
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Ok, let's break this down: You are saying that a golddiger and a prostitute are conceptually the same and the reason is because they both are extracting money from men in exchange for vagina and companionship? Let's just get down the basis of why you claim they are conceptually the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 03:55 PM
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Ok, based on the definition you provided, a golddiger is a: a person who dates others purely to extract money from them, in particular a woman who strives to marry a wealthy man. OK, and what is the definition of prostitute and how does not make it conceptually equivalent to each other? And in your OP, it seemed like you were saying that prostitution and golddigging were equivalent because they were performing similar acts for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 03:27 PM
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That's not how you were defining it in your OP. So then what is the definition of a golddigger to you? And what is the definition of a prostitute? Men use the word golddigger to describe unmarried and single women who value wealth. That's 99% of women. So then all women are golddigers, and by your definition, prostitutes?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 03:18 PM
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Hey there! Glad to see my previous post led to an outlet of other OPs. I disagree that there is no conceptual difference between being a "golddiger" and a prostitute. A prostitute is paid to perform a sexual act and/or another act. A "golddigger" is paid to play the role of girlfriend/wife. Your OP is essentially saying that a being a prostitute and a being girlfriend/wife are the same thing, except one is paid. Are you saying that a prostitute and a girlfriend/wife are the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 01:06 PM
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Glad things worked out for you. Good luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 01:22 PM
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So economic status increases physical attraction. Um no. That's not what the study said. We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females At the skeletal level, this sentence is saying that women are more likely to use salary as a factor when rating attractiveness, than men are. A partner's salary is more important to women than it is to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 01:09 AM
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Consequently, men's SES and their willingness and ability to invest affection and resources in relationships may often outweigh the effects of their physical attractiveness in women's actual selection of partners. Ok, what this study saying is NOT what you are saying. In fact, it is exactly what I am saying. For example, Joe is a 4 and not attractive. He is a normal middle class. He has no chance with me. However, I find out that Joe is now a millionaire. OK, now Joe has something that I want. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 01:02 AM
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Not all golddiggers are old rich dudes. I think you meant not all gold diggers are those dating old rich dudes? I never said that they are the only type of gold diggers. That was just the focus of my OP. I've explained this to you many times. And if money increases a man's physical attractiveness and thus, what is attracting the man is his attractiveness and not just his money, how can these women be "gold diggers?" You seem to be contradicting yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 12:55 AM
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Studies show that status increases a man’s physical attraction. Still waiting for the link to the study. I read "attractiveness", I did not read "physical attractiveness." Because Harvey is an unattractive middle aged man who has money. We can use Forrest Whitaker or Michael Jackson (R.I.P.) instead. Did they become physically attractive because they now have money?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 12:50 AM
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Hey, can I bring /u/Mr_Smoogs into this conversation? He seems to believe that money increases a man's physical attractiveness and thus, when a young woman is dating a rich older man, she is dating him for his physical attractiveness and not his money? LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 12:46 AM
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Great to hear. Good luck to you!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 12:44 AM
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So Harvey is now a physically attractive man because his money and status increased his physical attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 12:12 AM
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So, if your premise is correct, is Harvey Weinstein now a 9 in physical attractiveness because he is now a millionaire? You said status can be the foundation of physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 11:39 PM
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No. One of the studies said the women rated PHYSICAL attractiveness before and after learning of his status. Women rate men with status more PHYSICALLY attractive. Re-send that study to me. Cause I did not see the word "physical attractiveness" in the abstract. and a basic looking older dude with status. They are not basic. They are below average, when looking at it from a young woman's pov. It's gross. Your personal views don’t reflect the views of women. You act like women don't have girl code…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 11:06 PM
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That study said "attractiveness." I did not read physical or sexual attractiveness. So Harvey Weistein can jump from a 4 to a 9 in terms of physical attraction because he became a millionaire? And that fact that I am a woman and know how women think has no meaning to this discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 10:58 PM
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Maybe they do. Again, I dispute the term "gold digger." I have no problem with women using what they have to get their coins. But for now, I kept my post about older men and younger women. One of the things I always point out to many of these dating subs is just how important social status\standing is in increasing your ability to attract girls. I think you are hell bent on believing it is not the money that is attracting the woman by convoluting having money to equaling physical attraction and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 10:55 PM
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Oh yeah, shame the golddiger, but not the man who chose to subsidize her life to be with her, huh? There's no supply without demand. There are no golddigers without old men seeking to buy younger women. This is similar to shaming the drug seller but not the drug buyer! And she isn't being dishonest. She was paid by old rich man to play the role of wife. If he understands or should understand that he is paying for a woman to play a role, where is the dishonesty?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 10:29 PM
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I see old men marrying younger women in every day life. And these are not millionaires, but middle class or upper middle class. The point is, they don't have to be millionaires. They just have to be relatively well off compared to the younger woman. Some women also marry older men for Visas. This happens ALOT in Asia. Also, 18 year olds marrying 50 year old millionaires ARE NOT the only girls considered gold diggers. Maybe they are not. But that wasn't what I was focusing on in my OP. I was focu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 10:25 PM
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If you don't mind me asking, are you in good shape for your age? Has she told you she is physically attracted to you? Are you wealthy relative to her?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 10:19 PM
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When did I say this? I'm not mad at sugar babies for getting their coins. It's a dog eat dog world, and if some old man wants to subsidize a sugar baby's life, then I will clap for her! Get your coins, girl! The point of the OP was when these men start playing victim and start shaming "gold diggers" when they get used and abused. Men need to start taking responsibility. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 10:09 PM
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That's exactly what I said. The exchange is completely fair. It's when the men start shaming "gold digger" when they get used and dropped, that irks me. That was the point of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 10:00 PM
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It's another to think you can somehow continue to draw in younger women on the basis of sexual attraction alone until the day you die. I assumed that was what OP was hinting I was. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 09:53 PM
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I think I understand the basis of our disagreement. My post was catered to older men dating significantly younger, more attractive women. The age gap is a factor, especially in what is considered "physically" attractive to each other. I think in your example, you the age gap is not primary, but instead ,you are talking about an attractive (9, 10) 30 year old woman and a 35 year old average looking (5 on a 10 scale) man. So I was talking about a unique scenario with older men and younger women. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 09:44 PM
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I'm glad to hear that it worked out for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 09:26 PM
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Yes, and I’m jealous that a gross older guy who I have no sexual attraction to does not want to pay me to be his wife? Um okay. I am pissed? Why would I want some old man when I can have a man my own age? The point of the post was to call out those who shame gold diggers. If old man wants to subsidize sugar baby’s life in exchange for Pussy, do you! I’m not mad at any sugar baby getting her coins! It’s a dog eat dog world and if some old man is willing to subsidize your life, then get your coins…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 09:22 PM
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I said it was highly sensitive. That's not what the study. It said women were more sensitive to considering status as a factor of attractiveness than men were. That's all it said. You completely misconstrued what the study said and starting saying something completely different. Yes, and the average woman is now attracted to this man. She is a goldigger AND is attracted to the man. I wasn't speaking to the pov of an average woman. I was from the pov of a attractive woman. For example, if I am 26…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 08:14 PM
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I thought you said women enter a relationship with a man knowing he will beat her. As in, I go on a date with you, you beat me on the first date, and I still enter a relationship with you. That is different from being in a relationship with someone for a year, then abuse starts. The relationship doesn't start with abuse or knowledge of abuse. It starts off as normal and an emotional bond forms. Then the asshole starts slapping, and it exponentially escalates. The abuse usually starts AFTER the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 08:07 PM
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People love to say “I’m having kids so I will be surrounded by people I > love when I’m old” but fail to understand if you have dementia /can’t walk/shit your pants most people will abandon you to the labyrinth of American healthcare so they can get back to their lives of working jobs they dislike, eating and sitting watching screens. That is so terrible!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 08:01 PM
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I've always wondered, how do men feel knowing their girl is getting pounded by another guy? Are most men okay with that? Or is there sense of insecurity to it? I've read studies that men don't forgive infidelity as quick as women and get more jealous over their wives cheating for sexual reasons than emotional reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 08:00 PM
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I agree. My point is that women who don't develop emotional bonds, and are just there to get their coins, should not get gold digger shamed. Nor should these men cry victim when they women gets her money and runs!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 07:58 PM
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Women are 1000 times more sensitive to status when rating attractiveness. Yes, you are misreading this sentence. It says women are more affected by status when rating attractiveness. That means status is more likely affect how they rate attractiveness than how men rate attractiveness. It is something that women can consider when they rate attractiveness, but not THE foundational thing that they consider when deciding attractiveness. Status can increase a man's overall attractiveness from a 4 to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 07:56 PM
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< Why are you giving Rupert as an example? Because he is a classic example that came to my mind. So now John Jeremy becomes a millionaire overnight and all women now develop a sexual attraction to him? Yes. The study shows the physical attraction increases with status. If you don't agree that physical attractiveness equates to sexual attractiveness then I don't know what to tell you. I agreed that it can increase attractiveness from a 4 to maybe a 5. But it is extremely unlikely to increase attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 07:29 PM
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Ok, I just read the link. It gives an abstract and not access to the full article. But I get the message. I think the basic hypothesis of the study and what you are getting is that status increases a man's physical attractiveness. I get that. But I don't think it undermines what my OP. For example, Rupert Murdolf as an average joe bo would be a .7 to me. When I find out he is a billionaire, his attractiveness increases to a 2.8. But note, that the status did increase his attractiveness to me. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 07:00 PM
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You make a lot of assumptions about others based on your own biases and prejudices along with your own personal wish that people your age would chose you instead of someone older or younger. ??? I'm a girl. I'm not gay. I don't like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 06:42 PM
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Then you can opine that you are a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 06:41 PM
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well, males like to absolve themselves from any responsibility and blame it all on women. nothing new, tbh. I know. I can't stand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 06:40 PM
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Plenty of women go into relationships with men knowing full well their capacity for violence. And exactly, how would that work? They meet a man, he beats her on the first and second date, and then she gets in a relationship with him? And it doesn't mean she thinks he will hit her. Most abusive relationships don't start off violent. They start off as normal, loving relationships. Then comes an argument, then a slap, then a beating until it becomes a daily/weekly occurrence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 06:39 PM
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but if they look after themselves they can still elicit enough attraction for a younger partner (say 25ish) to get enough affection for them going to keep the wife/husband goggles on as they age. I agree. I've seen some body builders 45+ who still make my clitoris twitch!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 06:36 PM
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Trump's side pieces claimed they were attracted to him. They lied.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 05:57 PM
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Oh yeah, shame the golddiger, but not the man who chose to subsidize her life to be with her, huh? There's no supply without demand. There are no golddigers without old men seeking to buy younger women. This is similar to shaming the drug seller but not the drug buyer!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 05:54 PM
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Ok, I meant to say, "some." And I should correct, that although many of these women do not love nor are "in love" with their older husbands, many do "care" for them. But my point it is, even if they care or not, the foundation of the relationship remains the business transaction and not the emotional bond. If old hag lost all this money tomorrow, you think young sugar baby would still be there?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 05:50 PM
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He married a woman who claimed she was attracted to him. Oh really? LOL Have you seen Harvey Weinstein? Rupert Murdoch? Even average looking women are not attracted to these hags, but a woman who is very attractive is? LOL LOL What makes you think ALL golddigger type scenarios have zero emotional bond? I never said ALL. You are right that some learn to love their husbands. Some "care' about their husbands, although they may not love or be in love with them. However, even for the women who learn …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 05:48 PM
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Please elaborate. Are you saying, many women go into relationships knowing their boyfriends will beat them? If so, that's usually not the way it works. There is usually a pattern that occurs. A pattern of good relationship, then a small slap, then a big hit, and then it escalades to daily abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 05:40 PM
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"Beta bucks" in TRP speak. You must be new here, welcome. Do you mind explaining to me what this means? Ok. Yes, all relationships have something that is exchanged. The difference in a romantic relationship, the foundation of that relationship is based on the emotional bond and romantic affection for each other. With these "buy a younger wives" situations, the foundation of that relationship is not based on a bond, but a bargained for exchange. That's why it is a business transaction at heart. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 05:36 PM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 05:27 PM
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How is that even a comparable analogy?? That's an extreme situation you are comparing to. He married a woman who he knew or has reason to know likely had no attraction to him, didn't have an emotional bond to him, and was there with him for money. And since this is a business transaction, who should know that his death, would not be so much a time of a grief for her. She's a piece of shit, but you knew she was a piece of shit and you chose to buy her anyways!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 05:27 PM
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K. I don't know why she would have that face. She's either an upset feminist. Or The man must be really unattractive, saggy, and thinking that she must be really desperate to do that kind of a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 05:21 PM
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Back track, what is a BB? Many of the women married to BB Many of these young women do have emotional bonds to their husband. Many don't. Many "like" their husbands, but don't "love" them. I used "many" in my OP. I never said "all" once. Disagree. According to your logic, no relationship is a "real relationship" You're right. I should have said, one is a romantic relationship. The other is a business transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 05:19 PM
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Hey, well I am not one nor do I speak on behalf of the "hypocritical feminists" you speak of. I am not against these transactions. As I said before, "get your pussy, old man! And get your coins, girl." And women are looking at you because they know what the deal is. They know she likely has a younger lover some where. We have a women code too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 05:08 PM
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I'm not against these business transactions at all. Old man, get your pussy. And young woman, get your coins! I just don't like the gold digger shaming when these goons get used and dumped for a younger man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 05:05 PM
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How do I do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 05:03 PM
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Shit, I meant I don't condone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 05:01 PM
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That's what I said. I'm not against these business transactions. Old man, get your pussy. And young woman, get your coins! I just don't like the gold digger shaming when these goons get used and dumped for a younger man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 05:00 PM
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I don't think that is a comparable analogy. With a Chad, a woman is in a relationship. There is an emotional bond, and both have explicitly promised to be faithful to each other. In those paid wives marriages, they are not real relationships. They are business transactions. There is no emotional bond. It's being paid to perform the role and duty of wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 04:58 PM
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What do you mean??
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 04:53 PM
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To say he should have known better is ridiculous. If a 5 bedroom 6,000 sq. ft house is on sale for $50,000.00 wouldn't common sense tell you that something is off? So if a significantly younger woman who likely is not sexually attracted to you and would normally be out of league is interested in some average looking rich dude, wouldn't common sense tell you that something else is attracting her? These millionaires have enough common sense to run businesses and make millions of dollars but don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 04:51 PM
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The look on other women's faces makes it all worth it. ? Do you know the likely reason why they are looking at your like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 04:45 PM
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I don't know one UMC middle aged man who screams "reee golddigger!!" They choose to buy a girlfriend/wife and they understand the transaction they are entering. There is a lot of golddiger shaming on reddit. Especially, on PP. And yes, there are men who do scream gold digger when they get cucked, including my male friend who I mentioned in my OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 04:44 PM
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Better a young, attractive woman than an older hag (30 to 40 years old) with saggy tits and flat ass. Same logic is why young bought wives would rather fuck the pool boy than her old hag and saggy rich husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 04:37 PM
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No, I don't condone cheating at all. My point is that these men should expect a lack of emotional loyalty for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/18 04:34 PM
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You can do that without calling people vile names and using crass language. An intelligent and strong debater can articulate his stance without personal attacks on others. Deference to personal attacks demonstrates a lack of maturity and an inference that you cannot strongly argue the point of you you sustain, so you defer to personal attacks. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 12:13 PM
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Exactly. That's how most romance starts in the modern world. With two people who don't know each other. And that leads to women giving preference to males they find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:23 PM
1

You're right. Girls, give the wrong phone number all the time. Or give the correct number with the intention of not answering.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:23 PM
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Personality dosent do shit unless shes attracted to you at the first place. My exact words.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:09 PM
2

as evidenced by the fucking hordes of ugly men who end up with smoking hot women Were they rich? I think I said that looks can over overcome by wealth, status, or friendship that later blossoms into romance. Doesn't mean the women are attracted to them or will ever be attracted to them. Just means they have another asset that overcomes the lack of physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:02 PM
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LOL yes, agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 04:58 PM
1

Ok, let's re-phrase that, who do you think is getting her phone number?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 09:59 PM
1

Attraction to the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 09:32 PM
1

What is SMV and RMV?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 09:15 PM
1

Can you tell that to the men on here? Cause they seem to be living in a fantasy world, and will get crushed when reality hits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 09:14 PM
1

Yes, and status, and money, can overcome looks when a woman otherwise would not be attracted to a man. Money and status can also overcome a bad personality. It basically can overcome all bad traits a man has.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 09:13 PM
2

Damn,dude, did I turn you down one night or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 09:04 PM
1

And what do women care about? Whenever I say that women also care about looks, I get down voted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 07:59 PM
1

“coup de foudre” ??
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 07:56 PM
1

I didn't write that. I don't know why I am the one who is getting a reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 07:21 PM
2

historically, people usually had a relatively strong sense of each other before any romance blossomed. That may have been the case. But even so, people had a sense of attraction, and that factored into which person they wanted to form "friendships" with and set up the stage for possible romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 07:14 PM
1

I think those factors are things women consider at the secondary stage. The first stage is almost always about attraction. Initially when a woman meets a man, the decision to go out with him and/or decide whether they want to get to know a person is usually based on physical attraction. You don't know the person, what else are you going to make your decision on? Sometimes the lack of initial attraction can be overcome by money, status, incidentally getting to know the person through friendship f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 07:06 PM
3

Yeah, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 06:59 PM
1

I don't know what that means. And if I'm guessing correctly, know that I am heterosexual woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 06:56 PM
4

And I know women, including myself, who look at a man and from there say: "Damn, he's fine! The panties are coming off tonight." People try to pretend looks don't matter to women, when that isn't the case at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 06:55 PM
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I mean, women don't look at a man and say "Why, he's my approximate looksmatch! I do believe I shall bear his children. Not those exact words. But many women look at a man, decide whether she is attracted to him, and that ultimately factors into her decision of she wants to get to know him or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 06:54 PM
1

You sound like a very angry person. Your anger, and crass comments are inappropriate and speaks volumes about who you are and your level of maturity. Please think twice before posting comments like this in the future. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 06:32 PM
1

Greatest answer ever. LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/18 02:51 PM
2

Look, if you are over 40 and are not a body builder, a woman 35 years old or younger will not be physically/sexually attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 03:16 PM
1

Gold diggers are not prostitutes. And prostitutes wouldn't exist if men weren't willing to exchange money for sex to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 11:30 PM
2

A hot chick will not be physically/sexually attracted to some average/sub average looking guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 11:14 PM
1

It is not a form of prostitution. And prostitution wouldn't exist if men weren't willing to pay for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 04:55 PM
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Not true. A girl equal in looks would likely be more capable of being sexually attracted to him and develop an emotional attachment to him. At least with a girl of equal looks the guy can get a woman to have primal sex with him, the sex she truly desires with someone she is attracted to and not doing the bare minimum sex. He gets a woman who is actually emotionally attached to him and loves him. Meaning = she's not just going to leave when she finds a more convenient transaction. He gets a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 04:53 PM
1

That's their own faults. The woman promised to have sex with him, have his kids, and let him parade her around. She didn't promise to love him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 04:50 PM
1

It is not prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 04:48 PM
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She's also passing good genes to his children. He's also getting sex, that she has to suffer through cause she's probably not that sexually attached to him. He's getting more than just status.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 03:26 AM
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Men are dating hot women as a show of what they are capable of Capable of what? To show they are capable of buying a hot girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 03:24 AM
3

Why is being a gold digger and having dignity mutually exclusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 03:07 AM
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They're doing it for a few reasons, those being culture and status. And you said rich men date hot women for status. And hot women date average looking rich men for money and status. They are both doing similar things. So women shouldn't get condemned for being gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 03:06 AM
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I'm sorry to make my last comment seem so based on looks. So I will change my original comment from "Why should she downgrade for you?" to Why should a woman downgrade to a man she is not that sexually or physically attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 03:05 AM
1

Yep, you are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 02:22 AM
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It's about sexual attraction, that's why looks are important.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 02:18 AM
3

You know, some gold diggers don't want to settle down. They just want to be with the guy long enough to get enough money so that she can get her big break. That could be 1 year. They still get cucked, even if it is only temporarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 02:16 AM
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So what kind of girls do wealthy alpha fux men date? And how does he not get cucked by a golddigger?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 02:08 AM
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Yes, you are right. Even regular looking women want men with money. But do you see millionaires dating average looking women? No, they are dating hot women. You're average looking. But you want a hot woman. Why should she downgrade for you? If you want a hot woman, you have to have something to offer her. That's why it is a fair exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 02:07 AM
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Love you too boo.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 02:01 AM
2

Houses are cheap to build in India. You can build a decent house for like 20K, even less.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 12:29 AM
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Neither. I'm serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 12:29 AM
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What does this mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 12:28 AM
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Just because they are rich in come does not mean they are good looking. Have seen tons of models date ugly rich men. Heidi Klum had a baby by an old fugly rich Italian guy. Models will date down in looks, but will only date up in income.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 09:36 PM
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I didn't mean to come off as if I was bragging. Those men really did make me suffer and it is something I really wanted to warn women about. I know you didn't mean to, but your reply really has made me think. And I'm now realizing there is so much more I need to evaluate about myself and the steps I want to take in the future with respect to the men in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 01:41 AM
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Nvm, I get what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 01:16 AM
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I don't understand where he is getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 01:05 AM
1

Like a new OP? Ok, let me know so I can read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 01:03 AM
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Even your criticism is really a veiled compliment. Uh it is? Did you read where I said how they are self-centered, the worst partners, and serial cheaters? That’s the fate you cannot escape. Why is that? But not a word about how you will adapt to seeking out other kinds of men in your life You're right, this is something I should have thought about fully.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 12:20 AM
1

Why do you say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 11:56 PM
1

Why would you say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 11:38 PM
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Why are you calling me that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 07:32 PM
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Really? All the American men I know are faithful. My friend once tried to get with one but he declined saying he was married. I asked about it before and they told me that in American culture, cheating is the ultimate sin so men just don't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 05:11 PM
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At the end you said you would rather 'Share' an alpha than not have one. I was trying to rationalize as to why I was willing to accept his infidelity. I believe it was my upbringing and my mother's words that lead me to believe cheating was normal. I'm not sure, but I do believe, that I was so desperate for him, I was willing to have him 90% of the time, than not have him at all. This is me trying to rationalize my thinking and my behavior. And I've actually never really been on Red Pill. I've g…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 03:51 PM
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I think you're putting these people on a pedestal. Who don't I know? Anyone can be glib and confident. Especially where their heart is not involved. You don't believe that Alpha/Beta/Mixed of both personalities can exist? You have problems connecting with people in general Why do you say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 03:30 PM
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They were all nice at first.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 03:27 PM
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I'm not understanding what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 03:19 PM
1

Is it a culture with traditional values?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 03:18 PM
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What's wrong with your father cheating on your mother? Every man in my family cheats or cheated on his partner. OMG me too! Are you Indian, Hispanic or Asian?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 03:15 PM
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Why shouldn't a guy get some side action? It's also not cheating if you tell the woman you are going to do it in advance. So that last guy never cheated on you at all. Idk. In Indian culture, this behavior is normal. My mom even told me to accept it. However, in American culture, it is seen as unacceptable. I am adapting to my new culture. you actually had a boyfriend How does a girl know when she truly has a boyfriend? I mean, if a man telling you you are together is not enough, then how do we …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 03:11 PM
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Then you conclude that all men are assholes Mhmm I never said this. All men are not alpha males. And how would we know which ones were asshole s and which ones were good ones upon meeting them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 03:07 PM
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Most of them were fine as hell. I generally like good looking men. But there was one who were average, one who honestly was less than average. I think the looks are what got me interested. But I think their personalities are what kept me interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 02:58 PM
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I have to be honest. I have met tons of American men who are loyal and faithful to their wives. It honestly shocked me at first. Everyone I know is a cheater and it's just something I always accepted and expected. But don't feel bad. They say "Happy wife, happy life?" right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 02:54 PM
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I've been on the Purple Pill one week and the people here never cease to amaze me. I'm only going to address this once and only once. I am a female. You can even look at my post history dating back to September. I am not American. I was raised in India and moved here when I was 12. I was raised in a traditional culture and a culture that would be be classified as "patriarchal." Men constantly cheat and their wives accept it. Men are encouraged to be "macho", to be as manly as possible and to lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 02:50 PM
2

This is so weird. Why are so many people questioning whether I am a girl or boy? I've never had to prove to people that I was a girl. They usually look at my boobs and ass, and take that as full value.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 12:56 PM
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My experience is that they will marry but want you to be okay with the fact that he plans on stepping out every now and then.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 12:20 PM
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Physical attraction? I think it depends on if you are a person who likes a person for their looks or their personalities. And the alleged alpha/beta are personality characteristics, so it would be being attracted to a personality type.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 12:11 PM
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I'm a girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 12:09 PM
5

Why do you say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 04:37 AM
1

Make sense. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 04:29 AM
2

Amen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 04:28 AM
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Nope, I like being a female.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 04:23 AM
2

Isn't BPD, Borderline Personality Disorder?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 04:12 AM
2

I knew a girl who fucked half a basketball team. But she had a bad reputation, and the men at school would refer her to the "basketball girl."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 04:01 AM
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Trust me, I'm a cisgendered woman, full female body parts and all. LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 04:00 AM
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Mhm do you have experience with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 03:40 AM
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Cheat on him with his friends?? He'd never forgive me for cheating (as hypocritical as it sounds). His personality and ego wouldn't allow it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 03:37 AM
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How do I do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 03:28 AM
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Yes, the "beta" personality types. In all honesty, I wasn't as psychologically satisfied. But I was emotionally satisfied, as I was no longer being cheated on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 03:20 AM
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Fidelity is mostly important during times of scarcity, or when the population is in danger of becoming extinct. Can you explain why this is?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 02:57 AM
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LOL. Girlfriend. I made them all wait for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 02:52 AM
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It's better not to be with them. They are the worst partners and I honestly believe they can't help but cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 02:43 AM
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Well, most men are not alpha males. Alpha males are rare. Most men are betas. So I guess, women just aren't attracted to 80% of the male population (excluding gay men)?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 02:42 AM
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They were all ethnicities. African-American, Indian, White, Hispanic. They all had that same personality, irrespective of their races/ethnicities.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 02:39 AM
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Word, man. Stopped believing in that crap a long time ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 02:37 AM
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Red Pill doesn't think that women can be sexually attracted to betas after experiencing alphas, and calls these women "alpha widows." How? Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 02:30 AM
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LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 02:17 AM
1

How about the statistical reduction in testosterone in men by a full percentage point each year? Is this true?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 10:10 PM
1

Would you mind elaborating?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 09:06 PM
1

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 08:59 PM
1

Im still confused.How do women support polygamy on their terms?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 08:59 PM
1

Women support that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 08:55 PM
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I got the terms confused. LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 08:54 PM
1

polygyny Isn't that where a man has multiple wives?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 08:51 PM
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How does it let women take advantage of that respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 08:37 PM
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Give me 30 minutes to look at the links, then I'll get back to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 11:24 PM
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We don't know rape statistics, because rape is underreported everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 12:11 PM
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I didn't say that there is less rape in India. I said, I can make an argument about it (just like you did) using stereotypes and appeals to sociology just like you did, but it still doesn't mean there is less rape. We simply do not know because rape is underreported everywhere in the world. My point is using arguments based on stereotypes and feminist theories, does not mean your argument is strong or convincing at all. Like I said, nobody truly knows, so let's not make an argument with no stati…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 11:45 PM
1

Do you mind elaborating?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 11:04 PM
1

You may have a point then.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 08:10 PM
1

The best and clearest answer on this thread. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 07:18 PM
1

Why is it automatically assumed that mean cheating = women are not valued?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 07:16 PM
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Now I think we've gotten to a point where you're trying to defend the behavior of cheating men in your country and justify it. Not at all. This entire thread has actually made me question the things that I have been told my entire life. I feel like I have been lied to. I was just explaining things so that you can understand where I was coming from and how people think in this culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 07:15 PM
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This is an extremely weak argument. You've provided no clear and convincing statistics to back up your claim. The entire claim is based on generalizations, stereotypes, and feminist theories. I could easily say that rape occurs less in India than America because it is more of a religious society, etc. But that factor alone is not dispositive of whether rape actually occurs more in the U.S. than in India.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 07:12 PM
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Men have emotionless sex everywhere. Even the men in America. They have emotionless sex with prostitutes all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 06:20 PM
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Happens more where you're from though. Exactly, how would you know this? Especially when the majority of rape cases are not reported.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 06:19 PM
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Rape happens in every country, even in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 04:17 PM
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I've heard that hispanic culture is very similar to indian culture in that men cheat and their wives don't leave them over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 04:17 PM
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at least the women with any self respect don't put up with that. Why is it considered a lack of self-respect to put up with a cheating husband? I think it is because physical cheating isn't not regarded as the same as emotional cheating over here. Emotional cheating would piss a woman off, mainly because it makes her scared to lose a man's love. But physical cheating isn't seen as unforgivable or elicit such a strong reaction, although it may cause irritation. It's just a body he is using, and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 04:10 PM
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evangelical present Evangelicals divorce and do tons of "unchristian" things all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 04:04 PM
1

Holy cow....
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 04:03 PM
1

Why is the relationship OVER?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 01:09 PM
2

She'd eventually marry a new man. Her new husband would become the kid's new dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 03:51 AM
2

Idk because an unfaithful wife is usually very slick about it and doesn't get caught.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 03:51 AM
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They would still stay with the husband. I'm not kidding.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 03:42 AM
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Does that happen in every country?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 02:15 AM
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I don't know all 1 billion people. No one in my family is divorced. One distant cousin (Americanized) got divorced and her parents were pissed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 02:14 AM
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was it because if she made a big fuss about it and tried to divorce she could be beaten and stoned to death? No, we are not from the village, we are from the city. Both my parents are also university educated and my mother is a professional and works. If you did take offense to your husband's cheating, what would be the out comes and how do those outcomes effect your reaction? I honestly don't know what the reaction would be, because divorce is never an option that comes to mind to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 01:36 AM
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He truly was married. You think he would have stepped out, even he was married?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 01:31 AM
1

I have only read up on this case specifically. What do you think of the way the investigator conducted the investigation?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 11:33 PM
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The judicial opinion was just a motion to dismiss, it wasn't a judgment of case on the merits. But it did outline the timeline of things that happened and the procedure Michigan took when investigating the Title IX. My OP was more concerned about the procedures Michigan took during the investigation. The complaint listed many facts that were uncontested by both the accuser and the accused. So it fair to both sides to take them as true. Those are the only facts that I listed in the OP. I didn't l…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 09:55 PM
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I didn't link it. I'll add it. It was on a motion to dismiss.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 08:13 PM
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K.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 01:26 PM
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upon his roommate? I'm confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 12:19 PM
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they then lied about being asleep to the investigator. The roommate said an affidavit under oath that he never told the investigator that. But even then we don't know. I don't know if the investigator made it up, if the roommate initially lied, or if there was a miscommunication. If the roommate did say that, i feel that it's weird the investigator didn't pick up on it or question it. You're 4 feet away and you sleep right through loud sex and humping? Unless he was in very deep sleep. Sure the …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 06:13 AM
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I was really asking people what do they think about how the investigation was conducted.....I really think the investigator falsified witness statements... (See TL/DR)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 04:29 AM
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I was really asking people what do they think about how the investigation was conducted.....I really think the investigator falsified witness statements... (See TL/DR)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 04:29 AM
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I wrote one just for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 04:19 AM
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What do you mean? I understand it is not a completely adversarial process, meaning that there might not be a chance to cross examine the accuser, etc. But I did believe that the investigator still had an obligation to be truthful as did the witnesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 04:19 AM
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