TheRedArchive

~ archived since 2018 ~

Wanderingwombat1902 Archive

View 12 posts and 585 comments by Wanderingwombat1902 on TheRedPill subreddit and various other subreddits related to The Red Pill community.
Search in:
In subreddits:
More
Filter by year/month:
Upvotes Title Category Author Subreddit Date (UTC)
273

DebateWanderingwombat1902/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 09:53 PM
252

DebateWanderingwombat1902/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:12 PM
244

DebateWanderingwombat1902/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:18 AM
125

DebateWanderingwombat1902/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:35 PM
103

DebateWanderingwombat1902/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:53 AM
100

DebateWanderingwombat1902/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 04:15 PM
68

DebateWanderingwombat1902/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 10:35 PM
27

Question For WomenWanderingwombat1902/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:20 PM
15

DebateWanderingwombat1902/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 11:14 PM
5

DebateWanderingwombat1902/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:31 PM
3

Question For WomenWanderingwombat1902/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 07:18 PM
0

DebateWanderingwombat1902/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 04:36 PM
Upvotes Comment on Subreddit Date (UTC)
–

Delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 05:24 PM
–

Lol, white women voted for Trump more than Harris. But keep blaming men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 05:23 PM
15

Starting off with an arbitrary definition, ok, obvious bait Saying all men only want casual sex - wrong. Saying men don’t struggle to get into relationships with no proof. The idea that being nice and having a job means you can get a girlfriend is hilarious
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 07:21 AM
2

That’s actually not completely crazy of an idea. They probably wouldn’t execute the product very well though
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 03:03 AM
1

You could fix that by making the company a non-profit, running ads on the app, and requiring people to pay to use it - but this would be a flat fee and would not have any other benefits aside from using the service
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 01:03 AM
1

You’re not telling people what to do. The app presents men based more than solely their images. Who says all women are trying to attract a top % man? Most women don’t use dating apps at all right now and even among those who do not all of them are into hooking up with “chads.” Some women are looking for casual sex. People would be willing to put in more time in the front end if it would yield better results. Women don’t have high standards inherently. They have high standards because the way app…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 01:01 AM
3

It’s really not that simple
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 12:12 AM
3

If this was only “incel pandering” why do women constantly complain about apps? Sexual socialism, lol. That’s what monogamy is. Dating “profiles” are just 3-5 pictures and 1-2 sentences. How much can you honestly tell about someone from that? Not much. If you reduced the need to rely on the pictures, it wouldn’t matter as much. And women’s dating profiles often suck as much as men’s do. Hinge changed the game? Lol. No, it’s the same shit as everything else, also owned by match group, using their…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 11:51 PM
2

With a properly designed app you can sort out the women who have those standards. In real life women don’t only go for 6 foot, 6 figure men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 11:39 PM
6

I don’t think a non-profit dating app would be too crazy of an idea
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 11:22 PM
–

I’d suggest rewriting this thing bro I don’t get it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 08:02 PM
2

So you are admitting men are commodities
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:09 PM
33

That’s not what most men are. Talk about negative stereotypes. And also, what about women? How many women are addicted to substances, obese, working dead end jobs, lack hobbies, lack personality, etc etc. The emphasis is always on men. And finally, none of this matters because women want men who are better than other men, not men who are objectively good. If all men become better then women’s standards will only increase again
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:07 PM
15

Ban the current crop of dating apps. All of them. Then regulate how new ones can operate. They can’t make money by selling premium to men. They can’t use bots to make fake matches. They have to maintain a roughly equal gender balance. Limit the number of matches per day. Potential matches are suggested by highest compatibility not looks. Compatibility is determined by personality tests, values, lifestyle preferences, etc. Matching is strictly broken up between looking for short term and long ter…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 02:39 PM
–

No they don’t. You have to make it happen as a man
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 08:21 PM
10

That’s not true. Men have standards IRL. I’ve never seen an even average guy go for a fat chick, even as a hookup, unless he was super drunk
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 04:52 AM
1

Said in jest? It doesn’t matter. It’s still how we praise people. We think of dudes who can pull women as socially successful. Dire threat to women? Oh come on. This fear mongering, this hyperbole is exactly what I was talking about in this post. The idea that a men are all potential rapists is frankly misandrist. You’re letting the actions of a few men define all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 04:42 AM
1

It would depend on how much money I make and how stressful my job was. If I made enough money, then I’d have no problem with her not working. The ideal would be for me to work and then for her to be a stay at home mom. If I had a super stressful job, that might make things difficult because I might get burnt out but feel obligated to keep working just to support her and the family.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 02:09 AM
-6

Sure you can. But that’s not the message young men are hearing and that’s why half of them don’t approach women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:42 PM
2

How do both parties consent to an interaction that hasn’t even begun yet? That doesn’t make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:30 PM
8

Women are the ones who enforce the importance of sex. They routinely say they don’t date virgins. Women also enforce the standards of how men act and what they wear. If it’s not masculine enough, they ridicule them And how would I find a woman who wants to have sex if I can’t express my sexually freely? If I can’t approach women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:27 PM
2

Career and athletic success is different than social success. Social success - having friends, active dating life, meaningful experiences, being popular with others, being charismatic. The biggest flex here isn’t saying, “I have a group of great friends that I play dungeons and dragons with every week,” it’s saying “I regularly fuck lots of hot women.”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:24 PM
1

Except if you never take a risk, you never date. Dating is risk taking. Sometimes you get rejected. If you take that rejection gracefully, why is that a problem? Again, so what if you temporarily annoy the person you ask, they don’t have a right not to be annoyed
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:22 PM
0

Ah, so you’re agreeing with me here
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:20 PM
7

Social success. Not overall success- not economic success, not political success.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:19 PM
0

There’s been many studies about how people, both men and women, aren’t good at reading social cues
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:16 PM
5

No one can read the signs with total certainty. There have been many studies about this. And how do you learn? You learn by doing. You’re saying don’t even do that. So these women are discouraging men from expressing their sexuality even in the most benign and respectful way
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:15 PM
1

Expressing sexuality can come in many different forms. It can be ability to flirt with women. It can be wearing clothes that are revealing. It can be just not being ashamed of their bodies. Anything could be annoying. So what? Do you have a right not to be annoyed? You can always tell the man you’re not interested and then he’ll go away. Flirting, or making small talk about non sexual subjects but with women you’re sexually interested in, is inherently sexual. How can it not be?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:11 PM
-3

Instagram comments aren’t real life
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:08 PM
5

Reputation. Being seen out and about with a hot woman. Assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:01 PM
3

But both he and her are under no illusions of why they’re talking. Does she really think that a guy decided to approach an attractive woman just to make small talk over some insignificant matter? Maybe if she’s really naive but most women arent and they know what’s going on
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:57 PM
2

As I said in my other comment, when you have a social interaction with someone who you’re sexually interested in, is that not also inherently sexual? You both know what he wants regardless of that fact that they’re discussing some innocuous topic
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:56 PM
4

When you approach a nice looking woman, that’s inherently sexual. Sure you might be making small talk about a piece of fashion she’s wearing, or the weather or the news or sports or whatever, but deep down she knows that he wants sex and a relationship and he knows that he wants sex and a relationship. It’s all a charade.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:55 PM
2

What’s an example of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:53 PM
2

How often do you hear in real life, men calling women sluts? It’s rare. How often do you hear someone say something like “small dick energy.” “Napoleon complex.” “He can’t get laid, he’s a loser.” This is way more common for people to use as insults
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:52 PM
5

Isn’t flirting inherently a sexual interaction even if you want a relationship, not just sex, and even if you aren’t discussing anything explicitly sexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:50 PM
12

The biggest marker of social success for the average man in society today is sex. Can you dispute that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:48 PM
-3

This is only something discussed on places like this. It’s not common
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:46 PM
-1

I’m asking you to spell it out because I’m trying to prove my point that simply approaching respectfully is being lumped in with behavior that is harassment or assault
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:33 PM
9

How do you know he just wants to use you for sex and not have a real relationship? And I’ve been approached dozens of times by random people on the street asking questions. Who cares. If I say no to them and they go away, so what? I’m under no illusion that when I’m in public I have an absolute right not to be spoken to by anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:30 PM
-2

So you think it’s fine to talk down to all men about this then? To lecture them about how they’re all potentially dangerous? You never highlight good sexual expression for men, only bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:28 PM
7

No, but did I view it as harassment? No. When I’m out in public I’m under to pretense that I’m completely immune from other people interacting with me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:26 PM
6

Except how do you know if you’ve read the signs correctly?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:16 PM
-3

The way women can dress, flirt, show off their bodies, so much more options to express themselves sexually if they want to. The biggest thing is the stigma around men approaching women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:15 PM
-2

Sexual expression without consent is assault. So if a man wants to wear short shorts to show off his quads, that’s assault? If a man wants to try to flirt with a stranger; that’s assault? Are these not ways to express sexuality? At a certain point you don’t know if someone is interested unless you ask. If you think a woman likes you at a bar, do you have consent to approach?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:13 PM
11

How is a respectful approach annoying, intrusive or scary?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:10 PM
-1

Women are not slut shamed anymore. That’s not a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:07 PM
11

Ok, but that’s not the message men are hearing right now
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:07 PM
14

That’s how sex works. It takes two to tango. How do you know if someone is interested or not? You don’t. So you’re telling men not to approach
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 04:57 PM
8

What’s the difference between approach and harassment? That’s a very fine line. What these people are saying is that men don’t deserve to be loved by anyone. Straight women are bigger police of this than men. Simply have a more healthy environment around approaching women. Allow men to not be constantly judged based on their sexual success. Allow men to express themselves for freely
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 04:54 PM
-1

You really think that men are as free to express themselves sexually as women are? No one is saying that harassment is ok. What I’m saying that men have been discouraged from even attempting to approach. From a high level, everyone deserves love. That doesn’t mean you’re owed love by any individual person, but you have a right to try and eventually find someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 04:52 PM
1

And how is that different from masturbation?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 04:49 PM
2

That’s just how I wrote it, idk. My point is that the actions of p diddy, for example, shouldn’t define what male sexuality is. Are there men who do commit sexual crimes? Yes. Does that mean the average man should be told over and over and over again not to rape women, which is extremely condescending? Does it mean that they should be told they’re all potential monsters who need to repress their sexuality?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 04:48 PM
1

Except we don’t live in the animal kingdom. The men having the most sex aren’t reproducing. They’re just having sex. And the men that are, the ones with 5 different baby mommas, they’re looked down upon. Our society is too large to have “one hierarchy.”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 04:44 PM
6

That’s easy to say but not easy to do. Humans are inherently influenced by their surroundings, their society. It’s not easy to just totally reject what you’re hearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 04:42 PM
23

I mean sure but this is a societal level problem. When half of young men have never approached a woman, then just saying “ignore what society says” isn’t good enough
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 04:28 PM
2

Only like 6% of athletes go on to play d1. You don’t need to be the top 6% in socializing skills to have a good social life
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 03:10 AM
1

I picked up soccer as an adult. Sure I’m not messi but I still score goals in my men’s league. There’s the 80-20 rule. It takes only a relatively small about of work to get to the 80% level of a given activity. You don’t need to be the lebron James of socializing to have a good social life
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 02:17 AM
7

They swear it off because online dating puts the onus on them. They have to decide who to pick. And they pick badly, choosing on hot dudes and then they get mad when none of them wants long term relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 11:59 PM
-5

No, you’re not stunted. If you just follow the simply rule of not being an asshole and don’t say stupid stuff, then you’ll be fine. Socializing is really easy. Just let people talk about themselves and act interested. Try to find common interests. It’s not hard
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 11:42 PM
71

I would say at least 50% of men struggle with dating. That doesn’t mean that they can’t get dates but that it takes a ton of effort just to get a date, much less find someone good. Good qualities are being respectful, responsible, funny, open minded, etc. Yes, the good guy is just looking for an average good girl
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 11:03 PM
9

1 - I do seek women who are well educated. That’s an absolute must. I’m also very well educated 2 - I don’t care how much money she makes but women who make more money don’t date down 3 - I’m 6’3” so the number of women who are taller than be is extremely low. Again, I don’t care how accomplished she is. In terms of ambition, I want her to have ambition but not to the point where it’s all consuming.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:04 PM
8

Sallow his pride? Or maybe he’s not so vain that he needs to get cosmetic surgeries to be comfortable in his own skin. I don’t want to end up looking like those girls on love island whose whole face is filled with filler
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 05:47 AM
8

No, I would rather get a free personal trainer
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 05:33 AM
3

6’0” might be considered short now because there are dudes who are 5’10”, 5’9”, etc claiming unironically that they’re 6’0.” They’re a lot of height lying going around
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 12:41 AM
12

That’s because they had venues and social gatherings with clear norms. Like the WWII dance halls. Today, there isn’t an equivalent of that. It’s like there’s too much choice, too much freedom
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:20 PM
38

I think women’s standards are inherently relative. They want a man who is better than other men, not a man who is objectively good. So if you improve all men, the standards women have will just shift up
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:15 PM
1

What will be done about it? Probably nothing. What could be done about it? A combination of 2 and 4. Option 2, boys get more support / more fair treatment in schools and there are more resources made available to men to help them succeed. Option 3 just isn’t going to happen. Option 4, I can see there being a rise in matchmakers services or events to get dating going. I think both men and women don’t like online dating and approaching has dropped off so there is a demand for something to fill the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 09:13 PM
2

Body count can’t be changed but it can be controlled. Also, men don’t judge this as much as women judge height and balding for example. I don’t think money is that easy to change really. I can see the argument about muscle and being fit though
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 03:18 AM
19

Yes. If women were as horny as men they wouldn’t be picky at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 02:41 AM
2

Why would I want a submissive woman? I want my woman to be sexually aggressive, freak in the sheets type. I want her to want me, for her to initiate as much as I do. From the standpoint of the relationship as a whole, why would I want a woman who never takes initiative, always defers to me, always is dependent on me and expects me to always be a stoic masculine hero all the time. That sounds rough
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 01:56 AM
3

Women don’t acknowledge this. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a woman explicitly say “I will drop my standards for hot dudes”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 01:41 AM
3

Extremely negative. Modern feminism is only about oppressing men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 01:29 AM
4

That’s a bad comparison for several reasons. 1 - becoming rich is much harder than being a healthy weight. 2 - rich is inherently relative. Only a certain percentage of men can be rich. Whereas everyone can control their weight. 3 - rich dudes don’t automatically get more attention, if they’re rich and ugly it’s still going to be tough for them unless they are ok with just attracting gold diggers. Side note, I’ve never for one day in my entire life been overweight or obese. It’s extremely easy f…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 01:18 AM
2

Women have this “I can fix with” mentality with hot guys, where they will try to change them so they become long term partner material.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:49 PM
1

Women won’t marry the hot guys usually because they don’t date down. They’ll end up settling for the nice average guy who makes good money eventually. How often do you hear the term “trophy husband?” Pretty much never.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 07:35 AM
12

I’m not shocked just stating facts. I’m not surprised women go for hot guys. I just don’t like the hypocrisy of women claiming a man needs to have this, that and the other but then throwing all those standards out the window if a hot enough guy comes along
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 07:32 AM
11

Lol, no. Everyone knows that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 07:04 AM
3

Im 6’3” and never had a problem with my weight. But I have family members even taller than me and they’re obese. Just because you’re tall doesn’t mean you’re always going to be skinny no matter what
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 07:02 AM
20

It’s quite simple really. Their standards for hot guys are super low. You can be an unemployed airhead but if you’re hot enough you can still find plenty of hot women to fuck. Look at Chad phishing for example. But the standards for average men are super high. You need to have a good career, dress well, be respectful, be funny, be interesting, etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:57 AM
2

Being fit/in shape/not fat is a near universal preference that men have. If women had a universal preference for men who are readers then you might have a point
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 04:33 AM
4

That’s a bad comparison because he gets no pleasure out of being used for his money but he can get pleasure out of being used for his body
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 03:59 AM
6

Yet women have no compunction in telling men to better themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 03:13 AM
4

Are those a real representative sample of women? All I can say is I live in a city with lots of young people - who are in college and starting their careers and I find most of these women who aren’t fat to be attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 02:20 AM
12

Yes, that’s a genuine belief I hold. There’s been studies that prove that fat people delude themselves into believing they eat less than they do. There’s was a British tv show called secret eaters about this phenomenon. The average American doesn’t go to the gym and doesn’t walk more than 3000 steps a day. Gaining or losing weight is SOLEY about calories in vs calories out. It’s why weight watchers is so effective if you are actually keeping track of the calories you eat and the calories you bur…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 02:02 AM
6

For women it should. For men no. For women does it mean it’s easy to find her Mr. perfect? No. But it is easy for them to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:59 AM
11

It’s not that big when you consider the number of ugly dudes and average dudes who don’t have many options
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:58 AM
6

If you offered that option to a lot of touch starved, single men, they’d instantly go for that option of “getting used for their body.” And unattractive women have an objectively easier time dating than their male counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:57 AM
11

They do have it easy. Unattractive women have an objectively easier time dating than unattractive men. Hell, unattractive women have an easier time dating than even average lot of average men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:54 AM
6

In the option where you’re the woman you have the option of being single or having casual sex. In the optional where you’re the man you don’t have that option you’re always single
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:49 AM
10

That’s what women are constantly telling men to do. Yet when men say this to women they don’t want to hear it. Instead they keep complaining about how there’s “no good men,” “they just can’t find any single men,” “the only men out there only want sex!”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:43 AM
9

Maybe take the poison out? And you can do that by losing weight or lowering your standards
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:38 AM
4

Go on any thread on reddit where men are asking for advice from women for dating help and i guarantee there will be women telling him to hit the gym and get into shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:37 AM
5

Why did you apologize for that? She should lose weight. That’s what her doctor would tell her. That’s what would making her dating life easier. I’m sure you would have absolutely no problem telling a man to lose weight
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:35 AM
10

It’s not easy for people who lack self control. If it was so hard not to be obese, why is it so easy for me? I haven’t been overweight or obese for a single day of my life. And im not particularly active or eat extraordinary healthy. Women tell men to lose weight all the time. But men can’t do the same to women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:33 AM
3

Most women are attractive if they are a healthy weight
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:27 AM
2

Do you tell her she should lose weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:26 AM
12

Yet it isn’t hard to not be fat. If you have such little self control that you are obese, you can’t complain about dating being hard. Sorry. The first thing women tell men to do when they have trouble dating, even if they’re already skinny, is go to the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:24 AM
48

For the vast majority of women, all they need to do is be a healthy weight and boom, they’re attractive. Weight is something you can control. So failure to control your weight and then complaint about dating is not something men have sympathy for when an average looking but in shape man can struggle with dating. Yes, some women have ugly faces or certain defects but this isn’t true for most women. That’s why this is a generalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:21 AM
20

About 40% of young men are in long term relationships and 30% of men are single and not having sex. So the number of dudes who are players must be 30% or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 12:28 AM
69

You’re only seeing the men who want to be players. The men who want to settle down either already have or they can’t get a girlfriend to begin with. So all you seem to see in the dating pool is the fuckbois who just want sex. This is a minority of men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 09:42 PM
4

Yes. The apps are predatory. They like it this way because they know desperate men will pay money to increase their odds of matching. They will artificially restrict how much a man’s profile is shown if he isn’t paying either and even if he has paid they will restrict it in a bid to get him to pay even more. It seems like this business model should be illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 09:06 PM
5

As a man, any matches would be better than 0. It’s a desert out there
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:50 PM
5

It’s a game theory problem. It’s optimal as a group that men only swipe on a few women but individually there is an incentive to swipe on as many as possible to increase your odds of matching since there’s more men than women. Because of the gender imbalance, men are already at a disadvantage and need to do everything in their power to match
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:49 PM
7

What I would like: Unprompted/spontaneous affection. It doesn’t have to be sexual, but just very sweet. Also, unprompted compliments and thoughtfulness. Noticing something small I do and saying that she likes that. Doesn’t have to result in gift either, just the fact that she notices and appreciates me in some way is cool. Listening to me talk about topics I’m interested in and then responding with smart questions. Another guy mentioned this but I’ll mention it too, cooking together. Also workin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:38 AM
1

But then if you aren’t a sex crazed man women will think something’s wrong with you and criticize you for not having enough experience
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 12:29 AM
6

Harsh but true
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 12:28 AM
1

Happy to see that my post on toxic masculinity is generating more discussion. Anyways, I don’t agree with you here though. At the end of the day it all comes down to power. Women have more power in dating because they have more options and they are the ones being pursued. So they can establish and define the way men should act but it’s nearly impossible for men to do the same to women. If anything, men go for hotness over all else and I think you can criticize men for not having enough self resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 06:21 PM
2

Personally, I’d rather be single than with a woman who is constantly shaming me for not being masculine enough. Saying that it makes me gay if I talk a certain way, if I cry, if I ever feel anything other than pure confidence. And by the way what’s wrong with being gay? I’d rather be gay than be married to a woman constantly shaming me
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 08:40 PM
2

Their only options are to become more attractive, be nice and hope someone settles for him, or hope they get lucky and somehow meet a woman who likes him the way he is
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 07:19 PM
2

Because of the whole bad boy thing. An attractive bad boy is hot because he is confident, he breaks rules, maybe a little dangerous. This is exciting to women. Consciously, rationally, women want the nice, normal, rule following attractive man. But subconsciously, sexually, they want the exciting, rude, dangerous bad boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 07:15 PM
2

Because attractive guys who are nice have less of an advantage compared to fuckbois who are rude
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 07:06 PM
6

Yes but weight is the only thing that matters for women to be reasonably attractive. If you’re a healthy weight, you’ll already be in the top 60% of women and have no trouble at all dating. Women have control over their weight. For men, you have to be a healthy weight at an absolute minimum. You also have to be tall and not balding - both things you don’t have control over. You have to have an above average face - not something you have control over. You need to be strong and reasonably muscular…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 05:54 PM
6

A better catch? You’re waaay underestimating how important weight is. That’s by far and away the most important thing for a woman’s attractiveness and it’s not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 05:37 PM
8

Try not being nice? That only works if you’re attractive. If you’re mean and not attractive then that’s just being creepy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 05:17 PM
1

How about this. A real man does whatever the fuck he wants and doesn’t listen to whatever garbage “advice” is coming from certain deluded women online. If a man wants to want to express his emotions, he’s going to express his emotions and I don’t care if you think it’s gay for men to be sad or depressed. How about you focus on what you can control instead of controlling men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:26 PM
8

I think some things are ok to remain secret forever. I don’t think anyone is obligated to share something that they find extremely embarrassing and are uncomfortable with sharing. He has a right to privacy. I’m not sure how important it even is to have that information disclosed. If both partners are ready and willing to have open communication around sex, and he is willing to try to improve and try new things, does it matter if she knew or not that she took his virginity? I don’t think so. What…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 06:40 AM
2

That’s reasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 10:28 PM
3

What do you mean by not having anything in common with those kind of guys? What are your impressions of what that type of guy would be like?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 08:30 PM
1

That makes sense but I don’t get why shorts are a no go. Especially if you’re just out around town running errands, grabbing a casual bite to eat or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 08:12 PM
1

What does it say about them? Wouldn’t they argue it’s a bonus because it means they are vain or superficial?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 08:08 PM
1

Where would zero style go in this continuum? Sure, the clothes he wears are clean but they’re not stylish. It’s not even outdated there’s just no style whatsoever. Just wears whatever is comfortable
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 08:08 PM
0

What would you like to see him wear instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 07:48 PM
1

We’ll say he dresses this way all the time in his free time. At work and formal occasions he wears business casual or suits
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 07:26 PM
2

That makes sense. I would love if it I would meet a woman who was interested in talking about history, economics, geopolitics, or urban planning issues. I have guy friends I can talk to about these issues but haven’t found a woman who’s interested in this
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 02:53 AM
5

I think this is true. I’ve thought about it myself and I don t think I would be able to settle down with someone below my social class unless they were really special.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 02:31 AM
2

How is somehow intellectually compatible? Like you’re both interested in the same stuff? You both think the same way? You both work the same intellectually demanding jobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 02:26 AM
5

Dirt poor? Sounds like you were squarely middle class and you just had frugal parents. My grandpa was dirt poor. He grew up without indoor plumbing in a shack of a house with no insulation. They slept three to a bed. That’s dirt poor. My other grandpa worked in a chemical plant in the south side of Chicago before WWII. His clothes would be tattered from exposure to harsh chemicals. That’s poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 01:53 AM
11

But it’s more than just your friends. What would you family, colleagues at work, etc, think when they meet your wife? Are they more impressed by her being hot or her being socially successful - having a good job and good education? Probably the latter. People might think she’s a “trophy wife” gold digger type. Values and character often correlate with class. It’s easier to find a partner who shares this when they are of the same class as you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 01:48 AM
2

What made him good at sex? What makes someone bad at sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 03:41 AM
2

That doesn’t matter because it’s likely that she is always going to be more experienced than the guy. Imagine he never a shoe but took a class on shoe Ed in high school and he’s watched videos of people putting on shoes for years, etc. He could probably figure out how to put on the boot in like 10 seconds I don’t know why you cited the dictionary for experience but whatever. My point was that when people talk about experience what it actually is is maturity And what are the basics. Spell it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:43 PM
1

They won’t. If someone is attractive enough to date and in the mid 20’s they’re just going to automatically assume he has experience. Also, normal people don’t talk about ex’s all the time. You can’t not build social skills. You talk to people everyday. Women are just people. You talk to them like anyone else. It’s really not hard. Rarely mature? You’re telling me there no difference between a 7th grader, a sophomore in high school, a sophomore in college and someone who has worked for a few yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:37 PM
4

They complain about gender inequality and want to live in a more “civilized society” yet for men they expect them to compete for them as if they live in the “animal kingdom” hilarious hypocrisy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:29 PM
2

That’s a fallacy that both people are at the same level of experience. I knew a guy from high school who had sex for the first time at 17, but his girlfriend had been sexually actively for years before that and had many partners. So the idea that you’re automatically going to be paired with someone of the exact experience is ridiculous. Also, the physical act of sex isn’t hard. If you can put on a shoe you can have sex. The hard part about sex is communication and figuring out how to please the …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:27 PM
1

Women can absolutely not tell the difference between a virgin, someone who has some but not much experience and someone who has experience but is just bad at sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:05 PM
1

Well you only have to lie once. Then the next relationship you have you don’t have to since you’ll be telling the truth. Most women aren’t going to press super hard about ex’s right at the beginning of the relationship. And if they do you can always refuse details by saying “it ended on a bad note and I’d really not like to talk about that relationship.” Also, the idea of needing experience and learning to socialize is bunk. The reason why teenage relationships fail isn’t because they don’t have…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:03 PM
3

Women aren’t willing to teach when you’re younger either. The vast majority of “learning social skills” is just mentally maturing. The dumb stuff a 17 year old kid does while dating is mostly due to his immaturity not lack of relationship experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:00 PM
1

Yeah, you can fake confidence
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:57 PM
0

And how would the gf ever know? And even if she asked directly how would she know if he lied?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:57 PM
0

None of these things are hard and fast rules. It’s more about the confidence to just try
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:51 PM
2

You can lead regardless of how much experience you have. Men with a lot of experience are often shitty at leading because they are selfish
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:50 PM
3

Lol, that’s not how testosterone works. And we don’t live in the animal kingdom. Men today are told under no circumstances should they approach women so many don’t. Testosterone doesn’t matter
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:49 PM
3

That’s not always true. I knew a guy from high school who had sex for the first time at 17, but his girlfriend had been sexually actively for years before that and had many partners. So the idea that you’re automatically going to be paired with someone of the exact experience is a fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:47 PM
1

Why is it important? Why can’t you learn it later?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:45 PM
4

The vast majority of men didn’t even have bank accounts in the 19th century. The idea that men had privilege but women didn’t is ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:43 PM
2

The vast majority of working people in the Industrial Revolution weren’t financially independent. They were struggling from paycheck to paycheck. And women worked too. In fact, women were arguably the first modern workers because they would spin yearn during the early Industrial Revolution. People were serfs. If you lived in Eastern Europe, Asia, even the south as a black person you were not in any way free - man or woman. Even in the U.S., the vast majority of men couldn’t vote less than 100 ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:40 PM
7

The vast majority of working people in the Industrial Revolution weren’t financially independent. They were struggling from paycheck to paycheck. And women worked too. In fact, women were arguably the first modern workers because they would spin yearn during the early Industrial Revolution. People were serfs. If you lived in Eastern Europe, Asia, even the south as a black person you were not in any way free - man or woman. Even in the U.S., the vast majority of men couldn’t vote less than 100 ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:40 PM
11

Your whole argument is but what about men? My point is, so what? Why shouldn’t men look at women’s actions and not what they say? Because men are sometimes hypocritical? So if someone tells a lie to you and you call them out, can they come back and say “you can’t call me out because I know you’ve lied before too!” That’d be ridiculous Also, points 2-4 lack any evidence at all
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:25 PM
6

If that was true then how do you explain that most relationships today begin online?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 04:05 PM
9

1 obviously. Sex without emotional attachment isn’t nearly as fun or meaningful. Also, option 2 would be incredibly boring. Why would I want to hang out with someone who doesn’t care about having deep conversations? And how long could this realistically last for? This is probably a few months long FWB type relationship not a real girlfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 08:42 PM
1

But believe women is different than “don’t dismiss women”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 10:49 PM
2

What do they mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 09:56 PM
28

“Believe women.” Asking for men to immediately be fired and ostracized immediately after an accusation
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:56 PM
1

No one is saying it isn’t. That doesn’t change the fact that there needs to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt that it happened and the burden to provide that proof is on the accuser. A mere accusation is not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:19 AM
5

If a jealous ex accuses him of SA and this is completely bogus, what else could he have done to prevent that? Nothing. He’s the victim in this scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:43 AM
5

Out in society. Are you disputing that there aren’t men who have been cleared of sexual assault before? But you need to make your decision to support him or not before the legal process is over. If it turns out it was an unfounded and bogus accusation but you immediately believed it and threw him under the bus, you’re ok with essentially ending that relationship you have with your son? He’s never going to forgive you for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:35 AM
7

Pretty strained would be putting it lightly. He would probably never speak to you again. There’s different levels of exoneration. For OJ, he clearly did it the jury just went for him. There’s also where there’s just not enough evidence. There’s also where it comes up that the accusation was entirely bogus. If it turns out the accusation was entirely bogus but you immediately believe the accusation and cut him off, that relationship is 100% over. I can’t believe you’re willing to end your relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:23 AM
3

Then how do you explain all the men who have been exonerated of these charges? And what will your relationship be with him after this if he is completely exonerated?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:00 AM
1

There’s many examples of men being completely exonerated from bogus accusations. And accusations isn’t enough on its own. What do you think your relationship would be like with your son if he is exonerated?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:59 AM
5

What if he’s found innocent and then is resentful that you didn’t emotionally support him enough during his ordeal?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 01:56 AM
12

Contrary to what women on this sub are constantly saying, women are the ones that are far more likely to have a problem with earning more money than the man is. Most men don’t have a problem with it. But what they do have a problem is when she starts treating him like shit because her promotion goes to her head and she thinks she’s now the greatest thing ever because she’s now a “marketing director or HR boss.” Women shouldn’t worry about what changes this will cause to her man, she should worry…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 03:48 PM
–

So a 26 year old is an older predator and he’s preying by trying to date her? Please show me the harm in full grown adults entering into a consensual relationship. Adults who can vote, pay taxes, hold jobs, join the military, etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 06:05 AM
–

You’ve still never said how a 24 year old is at risk of being groomed but a 26 year old isn’t. That’s a horrible analogy. Choosing a soda is not like choosing who to date. That obviously takes more maturity. Why is a 24 year old mature enough to vote, join the army, be a law enforcement officer, be a doctor or nurse or lawyer, enter into binding contracts, etc etc. But can’t form a relationship rationally. Why is that different? Why not ban women from walking alone at night after 11 pm because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 05:48 AM
–

Yes, you are. You said a 24 year old is at risk to being groomed. Therefore you’re saying that she cannot make rational decisions about who she dates and you want the government to jail the 26 year old who wants to date her
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 05:38 AM
–

I’m trying to figure out why relationships need special protection until 25 but the other things I mentioned don’t. You haven’t said apart from the vague idea of the prefrontal cortex developing. But why is the prefrontal cortex needed for relationships but not all the other things I mentioned? I think the other things I mentioned need more maturity than a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 05:37 AM
–

Why are 18-25 at risk? Are you saying they can’t make decisions for themselves but a 26 year old can?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 05:25 AM
–

Do you need a fully formed prefrontal cortex to kill people in combat? I can enlist in the military at 18? What about voting? What about entering into a contract?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 05:24 AM
–

Can you provide me any evidence that points to any causal mechanism where testosterone levels affect social interactions? Where it affects the ability to ask people out and handle rejection? I personally know shy guys who hate approaching women and outgoing women who enjoy meeting new people
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 03:36 AM
–

Their signals aren’t incredibly obvious though
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 03:05 AM
–

How do you define approaching? As in walking up to them and asking them out? Even if a woman is bold enough to start the conversation and start flirting, they’re almost always not going to be the one to ask for the number and makes plans to see each other again
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 03:04 AM
–

Don’t think testosterone works that way bro. Also, it’s not like you can’t be confident and assertive as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 03:03 AM
7

I disagree with the idea that you can’t find happiness in a relationship unless someone is perfect. That just seems ridiculous to me. Everyone has flaws somewhere. No one is perfect. You can’t have someone who’s the complete package. A relationship just doesn’t click on day one. It takes time and effort from both people to make it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 12:55 AM
2

Honest question, do you believe every woman can find their ideal partner? And if so, should they never settle?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 12:43 AM
1

No one wants to be “settled for” in theory but also I don’t see it as this horrible thing. In fact, I think it’s a good thing. People can grow to like each other. The idea that you comb through the world’s population to find the one person that’s right for you is a fallacy, bordering on delusion. People fall in love with who’s in front of them. They get to know each other. And the relationship grows. Maybe he’s not Mr. Perfect. So what? In what other area of your life are you aiming for perfecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 12:39 AM
–

They do?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 09:08 PM
–

How do men not offer empathy to others?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 08:56 PM
–

I see people complaint online all the time about their job, their family, their relationship with their partner, their health, you name it. It’s not inquiry to men who struggle with dating at all
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 08:55 PM
–

Casual Misandry
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 08:52 PM
–

Maybe the cost of college should be reduced. My Dad paid $300 per semester in the 80’s at the flagship university for his state. Also, there should be more options to get boys into high paying trade programs too
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 08:17 PM
–

https://bigthink.com/thinking/boys-graded-more-harshly-in-school/#:~:text=Authors%20Ilaria%20Lievore%20and%20Moris,graded%20more%20generously%20than%20boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 07:47 PM
–

Systemic discrimination against men in elementary through high school isn’t a hurdle? Women also have an easy time gaining acceptance to schools during the admissions process.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 07:11 PM
–

They go because they succeed despite having hurdles. Most colleges nowadays are 55-70% female. What would convince you that there is a problem? If not a single man was going to college?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 07:05 PM
–

Yet women constantly ask men to do things for them constantly. Yet when men simply ask for women to stop discriminating against boys in education, the answer is a hard no. Double standard
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 07:03 PM
–

People who go to college have better financial earning on average for the rest of their lives than women do. What’s preventing them? A school system that systematically discriminates against boys. Tells them they’re not good enough. A system that is built by women for girls to succeed. A system where girls receive preferential treatment at every stage including college admissions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 07:01 PM
–

Why do you keep bringing up Trump? What do democrats do to help boys?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:59 PM
–

I’m sorry I didn’t realize the vast majority of elementary school teachers were men…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:58 PM
–

Aren’t as good at school or discriminated against? Studies have confirmed women teachers give worse grades to boys for the same work. The vast majority of teachers are women. Boys don’t get enough exercise or play time in schools. Boys are penalized for being active while girls are praised for being neat, organized and obedient.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:53 PM
–

Try to help men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:50 PM
–

What about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:48 PM
–

I don’t care about what Trump would do. What are democrats doing to help boys?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:47 PM
–

Try making good faith arguments and maybe I’ll respond
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:45 PM
–

Bye
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:45 PM
–

When was the last time women were prohibited from going to college? 80+ years ago? Hell, both my grandmas went to college. Yet men today must suffer for the fact that women couldn’t go to college 100 years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:45 PM
–

That’s not nearly enough time. In Finland, school is only 5 hours long with frequent breaks and time for play and exercise. They get little to no homework in Finland. But they have some of the best educational outcomes in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:43 PM
–

If they have those memberships they aren’t using them. The percentage of adults who met both physical activity guidelines was higher among men (28.3%) than women (20.4%) and decreased with age for both men and women. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db443.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:41 PM
–

I don’t know why you’re latching onto sports. You’re clearly debating in bad faith. Bye
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:39 PM
–

Well as a teacher, surely you’ve thought about this before right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:36 PM
–

So it’s the boys fault that the education system discriminates against them? Many studies have shown that teachers give male students worse grades for the same work. Teachers perceive male students as disruptive while failing to give them adequate exercise and play time, and expect them to sit still for 8 hours. Men are still negatively experiencing the effects of affirmative action. Boys have less male teachers to look up to during their early years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:35 PM
–

So what’s your solution? Rigid Chinese style obedience? Again, the Finnish model is superior
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:31 PM
–

The democrats will never implement affirmative action to help men. Affirmative action has been and always will be about putting men down and bringing women up. More women get into med school than men. What’s being done about it? Nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:28 PM
–

I don’t think we should model ourselves off China lol. We should look to Finland, a health democracy where there is great education - arguably the best in the world. In Finland they actually gives boys enough play and exercise so they can focus in school. And their school days are much shorter and they don’t get homework.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:27 PM
–

You’re debating in bad faith. Remove your red pill flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:25 PM
–

Supporting “public education” is a meaningless term. Does that mean reducing gender discrimination against boys in schools? If not then it won’t help men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:23 PM
–

Vote for the ones advocating for affirmative action programs that directly hurt men? I don’t know about that. If democrats were serious about closing educational gaps between boys and girls then sure. But they’re not
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:22 PM
–

At the same rates that men do? And they put in the same work at the gym as men do? How much effort are women putting into makeup if only 38% of women wear makeup on a weekly basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:15 PM
–

What are you trying to say here?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:14 PM
–

If you don’t want to go don’t. Nails aren’t even something I notice nor something the vast majority of men notice
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:13 PM
–

Lol, this place is called purple pill debate. You’re mad I’m trying to debate gender issues on a subreddit about debating gender issues? GTFO from this subreddit if that offends you. I saw a post today on a different subreddit about how men don’t put enough effort into their appearance and I disagreed so I thought I’d debate that idea here. Women in society talk a lot about how men don’t put effort into their appearance. And I disagree with that talking point. But according to you we can’t discu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:12 PM
–

Ok, well then do you just ignore the part where men are 40% more likely to work out regularly? Women tell me they do these things for themselves / for other women not to look good for men. I’ve also never heard a man say a woman’s eyebrows or nails looked hot. Men shave their faces and chests. And men grow more hair and grow hair faster than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:09 PM
–

Because playing sports and going to the gym are good indicators of someone’s level of physical activity. The more physically active someone is, the more likely they are to be in good shape and look good. Except men are more likely to shower everyday than women. Both men and women’s fashion nowadays is extremely causal. Women are way more shallow than men. Men find a much broader range of women to be physically attractive. Women find a much narrower range of men physically attractive. Both gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:06 PM
–

Women think that putting in some effort to do their makeup and hair for a date night negates the effort men put in at the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:02 PM
–

Type in “male model shirtless” on google images and see how many of them have chest hair
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:01 PM
–

Women even say they don’t do their nails for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:00 PM
–

I’ll let another woman explain it for me. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFybULyL/ This model is wearing a dress made out of literal duct tape and yet looks stunning. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/09/30/style/look-of-the-week-gigi-hadid-mini-dress-packing-tape
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:59 PM
–

Well maybe. The dude who works out all the time but doesn’t have a good online dating profile and doesn’t actively approach women still might have trouble dating
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:55 PM
–

That’s a true Scotsman argument if I’ve ever seen one lol. I’ve seen obese guys in relationships. Are these above average?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:47 PM
–

Then men also have a casual style then
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:44 PM
–

No, for women it’s also their body. Women with a hot body can wear almost anything and look good in it. The fashion industry has tricked women into thinking that looking like these models is about their clothes but it’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:44 PM
–

Can you prove that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:41 PM
–

I’m not complaining. I’m challenging the idea that many people put forth here that men aren’t putting in effort
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:41 PM
–

Sure, but that proves my point doesn’t it? That women don’t put in more effort than men do
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:35 PM
–

Do you have stats on obesity? No, but showering is a metric of hygiene. Most of the time, the clothes that people wore weren’t especially flattering. Everything was just average. And yes, you can find a date anywhere. How many people met their spouses at work? How many men grow and trim their beards? That’s essentially male makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:33 PM
–

The vast majority of women don’t wear makeup on a regular basis. And men shave their faces and chests too by the way
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:25 PM
–

Do you have a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:24 PM
–

That’s called being indecisive
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:23 PM
–

What’s your problem here?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:22 PM
–

That’s all true. Not disputing that at all. But women are the exact same. The number of women’s profiles I see that only have a bunch of bad selfies and bathroom mirror pics is insane. Yet they’re successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:21 PM
–

You had to put all that effort in just to get to the point where the average woman in terms of dating options - and she doesn’t put nearly that much effort in. Look at someone like Livy Dunne. She’s maybe the biggest Instagram star right now. She got famous because she’s hot naturally. Not because she had surgeries done or fake boobs or Botox. All she had to do is put a little makeup on and boom, famous
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:19 PM
–

According to the CDC, men are 40% more likely to meet the standards for physical fitness than women. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db443.htm Nails don’t have any appearance value to men. For hair, women aren’t doing their hair up everyday. Men style their hair just as much as women do on a day to day basis. Men go to the barber often.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:15 PM
–

Sure you can lift weights at home. But more men do this also than women. If you look at CDC guidelines for physical activity, men are 40% more likely to make them than women. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db443.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:12 PM
–

And yet women’s use of makeup has been declining for decades. Women’s fashion is more casual now than it’s ever been.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:10 PM
–

Do you wash and shave your face?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:09 PM
–

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db443.htm 28% for men vs 20% for women. Nails isn’t about attractiveness. I’ve ever heard a single man talk about a woman’s nails. Makeup use is declining as I already said and the vast majority of women aren’t wearing makeup regularly. Just from my personal observations women aren’t dressing better than men on a day to day basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:08 PM
–

I didn’t say women don’t put effort in. Simply that they don’t put more effort in than men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:03 PM
–

They don’t workout at the same rates that men do. Also they are more likely to only do cardio at the gym and less likely to go multiple time a week
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:03 PM
–

Statistically less likely than men though to workout at the gym. Also, less likely to workout at higher intensity and less likely to lift weights. What percentage of women are doing their hair, makeup, nice outfit everyday? Hardly any. Maybe they do that once every week or two when they have a night out or a date night. Go to Eastern Europe, these women are wearing makeup everyday, dressing well everyday. That’s simply not true in America or the Anglo nations
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:02 PM
–

Feel free.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 04:58 PM
–

That’s simply not true. If it was that easy every man would do it. What effort are the instagram models putting in? And are they attractive because of this effort or because they have a nice body and face?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 04:58 PM
–

If both… But statistically that’s not true that men and women play sports and workout more. And even when it is true, men workout more often and with greater intensity. You’re focused on a narrow application of appearance - just hair, makeup and clothes for date night. Maintaining your appearance is much more than that. On an everyday basis, men are putting in more effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 04:56 PM
–

I brought statistics, did you? Makeup use among women has been declining for decades. Sure, women might spend more money and clothes and shoes but are they wearing fancy clothes regularly? No. Also, when you think of appearance you have to consider everything - including the gym. The most important part of your appearance is how fit your body is. Men spend more time improving this than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 04:52 PM
–

There was no significant difference in the prevalence of obesity between men and women overall or by age group https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db360.htm She does that everyday or just for dates? And how much time does she spend at the gym?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 04:50 PM
–

Well the problem is that women often have lots of “bouncy sex” with a lot of guys then want to settle for a dude in a long term relationship. He probably wasn’t able to sleep around to the degree she was. So he gets resentful that she was able to do this and doesn’t feel like she truly loves him
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 04:09 PM
2

I don’t follow your question
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 01:27 AM
22

Society has become dramatically safer over the last 30 years. In fact, it has become dramatically safer in the past few hundreds of years. Every year it gets safer because of increased living conditions, less pollution, better law enforcement, etc. Everyone knows that murder is wrong. Everyone knows the punishment for murder is going to prison for a long time. Yet murders still happen. You can’t make humans perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 10:14 PM
5

That’s not how punishments work. Did ISIS controlled territory have no crime when they were lighting criminals on fire? When they were crucifying them? Extreme punishments don’t work
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 10:11 PM
3

How did they live unfair lives? You don’t know anything about them apart from their skin or their gender. And how does them having a tough life, if they truly did have one, mean that they should get the job over a more qualified man?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 10:06 PM
4

Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:25 AM
15

Straw man city. You’re delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:19 AM
7

It’s hilarious you think women are “winning” by staying single lol. I didn’t understand anything else from this rambling, totally incoherent post.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:07 AM
4

I think it’s a good thing that men aren’t vain. In an ideal world you shouldn’t have to be vain to attract a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 10:46 PM
–

I doubt that honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 05:14 PM
–

And you know this how? You can read men’s minds?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 04:49 PM
–

I did go to Catholic church regularly when I was younger. The vast majority of us were only nominally Catholic. We went to church sure but did we actually take Sunday school seriously? The kids who actually went to Catholic school were even worse, they swore, dated, had sex to an even greater degree. Actually being religious was seen as something you did when you were old
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 07:09 AM
–

Then why do men feel this way? Are their feelings valid or are they totally irrational? Are they picking up on real signals from women and society?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 07:05 AM
–

No, it’s two separate things. The men doing that aren’t the ones not approaching women
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 07:04 AM
–

You’re telling young men that their lived experiences are wrong. You’re talking past us. We’re not talking about all men here. We’re talking about the real experiences of a plurality of men. And to just deny it out of hand saying that this can’t be true because of your experiences is ridiculous. Two things can be true at the same time. There can be groups of people in the same society who are struggling with obesity and also struggling with food insecurity
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 07:03 AM
–

But we’re talking about generalizations here. We’re talking about trends. Let’s say I made a post that said, middle class real discretionary spending decreasing, and you said, but the top 1%’s spending increased a lot! What would your comment have to do with my comment? Nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 07:00 AM
–

Maybe the top 10% in looks fuckbois are treating women like this but the vast majority of men aren’t. Most men can’t afford to be that picky
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:57 AM
–

It’s probably less than 1/3, maybe more like 1/4. But regardless of how you define them they’re not the majority. They’re also typically old and concentrated in the south. Atheism is rising - especially among the youth. I’m not seeing an tik tok videos of young people talking about purity culture that’s for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:55 AM
–

That’s all fair and good, but that’s not the message young men are receiving. They’re getting messages from the media, from social media and even from their own social circles than women don’t want to be approached. Any approach is an inherent violation of her privacy and so if you fail, you subject yourself to being labeled a creep or a harassers - at least that’s their perception. How do you change that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:52 AM
–

What percentage of the U.S. adheres to southern Baptist ideas? Not the majority, not even close. Especially among younger, urban, well educated individuals
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:48 AM
–

That might have been true 100 years ago. But not today
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:29 AM
–

The problem is that rejection seems to have much high stakes now. Even if that perception isn’t completely based in reality, the idea that hitting on a woman at the wrong time is horrible is a real idea held by a lot of men. Especially after the me too movement. Men don’t want to take the risk of being labeled a creep
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:27 AM
–

It’s definitely a thing. I’m of the younger generation and men are definitely afraid to approach women or express their sexuality in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:24 AM
–

The countries with the highest birth rates on earth are Benin, Niger, Mali and Angola. Are these men just inherently more fit and better than everyone else? If you believed OP then yes. A reasonable person, like you I presume, would obviously say no
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 11:35 PM
–

I see dudes who are morbidly obese out with girlfriends. I see dudes who are criminals, broke dudes, plain idiots who have girlfriends. None of them are inherently better than a man who doesn’t have a girlfriend. And the idea that they are somehow inherently better and “that’s just nature!” is pure cope. I don’t know how else to say. There’s zero excuse for you to not have a girlfriend if you’re really willing to put yourself out there. Even if that requires dating someone unattractive or dating…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 11:33 PM
–

Calling yourself a beta male is putting the label of inferiority on you lol. “Just don’t get to mate.” Only if you limit yourself to western women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 11:22 PM
–

This is an absolutely awful, half baked idea of a post. First, this implies that people having the most kids are the most “fit.” That reeks of social Darwinism. And how would you define most fit? Also, look at countries that have the highest birth rates? Are the men in Mali just more fit than other men because they have more kids? As a western man, I could walk into any number of 3rd world countries and have a wife in 24 hours or less, and then have a massive family with her. If you’re rich enou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 11:20 PM
–

Are you calling America a shithole? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 11:11 PM
2

Yeah, online dating sucks
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 12:37 AM
6

We all have standards. But if I didn’t want to date a woman unless she’s top 90% looks wise, I think that’s not super reasonable. Likewise, if a woman doesn’t show attention to men unless they’re top 95% income wise for their age, that doesn’t reasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 09:20 PM
12

Beats me. I think it should honestly be mandated by law immediately after birth. Then it’s not up for debate and there’s no surprises down the line. The DNA test could also check for autoimmune diseases and other things
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 05:39 AM
2

That’s true about looks, to a degree you can improve them, but you can only go so far and there’s the risk that the work done goes badly. I don’t think high earning women are at a disadvantage for looks because I think the distribution of attractiveness of high earning women is probably similar to the general population or maybe even better, it’s just that there are so many other women out there who are hot but aren’t high earning who they have to compete with. The other factor is personality- a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 01:33 AM
1

Yes but it’s changing. More women go to med school and law school than men do. More women go to college than men do. We might see this change happen slowly over the next couple decades but it could happen where women hold the majority of high paying jobs. The other factor to consider here is that high earning men don’t place emphasis on high earning women while women do. So a high earning man’s dating pool is basically anyone - as long as she’s hot and has a good personality - he doesn’t care if…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 12:36 AM
1

There’s a big gap between totally useless bum and rocket scientist right? I’m just curious why women often don’t consider average dudes with average jobs. You might click more and have a better relationship with a dude making $60k a year than the dude making $160k.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:28 PM
14

Well that’s depressing
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:22 PM
12

I think you’re reading too much into it. A prestigious job title means that man’s got money. A normal job, means he’s just another boring normie without much money. There’s not much else you can tell from a job title. I work with dudes who are vastly different than me but we work the same job. Emotional connection isn’t primarily about jobs. It’s about personality, hobbies, life goals, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:15 PM
6

🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 11:00 PM
32

That all makes sense, but at the end of the day it feels like I’m only valued for my job. It must be similar to how women feel when they are objectivized only for their looks. Like, I’m the same person I was a few years ago. Same personality, body, interests, hobbies etc. But none of that was enough. None of that is enough. The only thing that matters is money. Its shallow. It’s frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:53 PM
17

Attractive because money?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:50 PM
9

Not op but I’ve personally experienced on online dating that women don’t give a second thought to you when you don’t have a prestigious or high paying job. The second you put that job title in there though, everything changes. Like, I’m the same guy I was a few years ago, only thing that changed was my job. And sure you can say online dating is fake, it’s shallow, but it is common. Everyone uses online dating now. And the same thing happens in real life too just to a lesser extent
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:49 PM
7

How would they know he’s lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:47 PM
1

No, it’s because women still see benefits if they’re with an arrogant man. Some women might find arrogant men to be attractive for some reason. Rich men also typically have no problem spending their money on her wives. Whereas rich women typically don’t spend their money on their husbands. Women also hold more sexual power - so they can use their looks to get an arrogant husband to do stuff a whereas hot dudes don’t have the ability to that degree. Also, if women are more accepting of being trea…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:09 PM
1

Everyone’s life is always in flux. You might have a great job but you could get laid off next year. You don’t know what the future holds so why should you tie the worth of your partner to what he can provide at any given time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:04 PM
1

What’s the line between proud and arrogant? If you’re bragging constantly about your salary and lording it over people that is 1 - distasteful 2 - shallow 3 - annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:01 PM
0

If they don’t want to do that, maybe they could get a REAL JOB and actually contribute to society
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 11:37 PM
0

No one asked for them to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 09:42 PM
5

Haha, “work”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:53 PM
5

That’s like saying you can’t object to sports betting if you watch sports
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:39 PM
5

Because most men don’t pay for OF. OF is mostly supported by a handful of whales - usually older men who can actually afford it. OF is like gambling. It’s taking advantage of vulnerable people are sucking away their money in return for nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:27 PM
10

Yeah, because paying for porn is stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:25 PM
0

So you agree with me that’s it’s neither inherently good nor bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:24 PM
1

There are multiple women in this very thread talking about how they wouldn’t ever pay more than 50% even if they make significantly more than their man. And there’s multiple men in this very thread talking about experiences of high earning women being arrogant, selfish and demeaning. That behavior is still selfish when men do it. Women just tolerate it more. Why? Because when men are usually willing to pay for her lifestyle. When a woman brags about her income but refuses to support her husband …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:56 PM
5

You just don’t get it. Verifying a man’s child is his is not an any way comparable to child abuse. You’re not here to have a reasonable discussion, you’re here to attack men for simply wanting a paternity test. You’re obviously triggered by paternity tests for some reason. Can you show me where the paternity test hurt you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:07 PM
1

Whose privacy? Doesn’t the man have a right to know if the child is his? We have the technology now. There’s no reason not to know. Your child’s blood and fingerprints are also in a database. Because an allegation of child abuse is way out of proportion to an allegation of infidelity. Infidelity isn’t a crime. Child abuse is. And a deadly serious one too. You can’t just accuse someone of crimes because you’re offended. “Hey did you do the laundry?” “ARE YOU A SERIAL KILLER!” You need at least so…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 03:46 PM
5

Oh no a database!!! You really think you’re slick don’t you? You don’t have a leg to stand on here. Why are you so mad about a paternity test? This is such a childish argument. Man, “can I just double check this child is mine?” You, “NOOOO! ALSO, YOURE A CHILD MOLESTER!” Weirdo
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 03:26 PM
1

Doing exactly what the men are doing? There’s no way you could prove that. Here are things that high earning women do that puts down men. Bragging about how much money they make and lording it over their partner. Refusing to let the man have a say in how the relationship goes because she makes more money. Refusing to put more than half of her income into the relationship - if you make twice as much as a man but still want to split the check, don’t buy him gifs, that’s just selfish and there’s no…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 03:04 PM
4

That’s not even close to the same thing. A search like that is way more invasive. A search like that implies far worse things. What’s worse being accused of being a cheater or being accused of being a child molester. There’s no reason not to get a paternity test. It’s quick and cheap and easy and eliminates doubt. It’s far more common for women to give birth to children that aren’t their man’s than for the man to be a child molester who is secretly abusing their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:52 PM
4

Is this so stupid. It’s not even close to comparable. These kind of threads should be banned. What an utter waste of time
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:43 PM
2

Except I’ve never worked a single job that didn’t offer maternity leave
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:18 PM
1

It’s all relative right. I mean for me I think of high earning women as women who make more than me, hence my definition. Other people might have different definitions depending on how much they make. Also, I’m not saying that the high earner women are automatically sociopaths and the men aren’t. I’m saying that both men and women have a greater tendency to be sociopaths the higher they go in income. Do you think you get to CEO by being nice? No, those are the most ruthless people in the busines…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 06:27 AM
6

Travel for work for vacation? If vacation, then how much PTO are you getting lol. And the beauty of traveling with someone is you can share new experiences together. I want to go to the military museum. She wants to go to the art museum. I want to go to the soccer game, she wants to go to a cooking class. We do both, and we expand our horizons. It’s fun. It’s how you grow as a person. I’m willing to bankroll the whole trip, because why not? You only live once, you only get a chance to experience…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 06:23 AM
0

$80-120k isn’t really what I was thinking of when I was talking about high earners. I think about that salary as above average but not a high earner. I was thinking of $250-400k minimum that would qualify as a high earner. I know a guy pulling in $600-800k annually as a partner at a big law firm. I know an oncologist making around $500-600k. That’s what I think of as a high earner.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:18 AM
1

The vast majority of high earning women aren’t software devs. Trust me, I worked at a software company and on my team there were 35 devs, two of which were women. Sure, there are other jobs that pay a lot without having the climb and strive like how I described. But if you find a business professional who makes tons of money or an upper management person, or a partner at a law firm, how do you think they got there?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:52 AM
14

I find it a little shocking that you wouldn’t pay for your boyfriend to come with you on a trip, and it kind of says a lot about you. Like, traveling with a romantic partner is way more fun than traveling alone or even with friends. I wouldn’t had no problem paying $1000-3000 to bring my girlfriend to Europe with me on my vacation last summer if I had one at the time. It’s not that much money for me and it would’ve made the vacation so much fun. That’s how bonds are made. If you’re not willing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:34 AM
6

Maybe you could provide me with compelling evidence that would change my mind. I’m open to hearing it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:25 AM
2

It’s a debate thread not an ask thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:18 AM
1

Tons of men do do it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:18 AM
2

I mean it depends on the job. I worked at a large corporation and trust me I’ve seen the shenanigans personally. Maybe if you’re a pediatrician who is super altruistic about helping children and also makes a lot of money, sure I can believe you didn’t have to climb over anyone to get there. And why don’t they want that? Because the women would belittle and resent them that’s why they’re not interested
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:18 AM
5

I’m perfectly willing to hear you. Doesn’t mean I’ll believe you
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:14 AM
1

I can’t imagine much things easy than putting dishes in the dishwasher and presses start or pushing the vacuum cleaner around for a few minutes
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:13 AM
6

Who do you think are the type of people willing to viciously climb their way up the corporate ladder? Sociopaths, narcissists and ego maniacs. The men and the women. That’s what men are really complaining about when they say such things
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:12 AM
13

Sounds like the resentment is flowing one way - from you to a potential lower income partner. What lifestyle are you living that your partner would have to live? Are you going to Europe every August? Paying down a second mortgage on a vacation house? Leaders have to make money? Tim Walz is probably going to be the vice president but he never made more than a public school teacher’s salary. Just because you make money, doesn’t mean you’re smart, empathetic, a good person or a good leader. If that…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 03:56 AM
7

Doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 03:41 AM
6

Women are most certainly not the only ones called liars
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 03:26 AM
3

Does everything else? Like the chores? Chores aren’t hard. The real reason is that high earning woman often have bad personalities. A woman with a great personality and high earning would be a dream
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 03:22 AM
3

Is maternity leave not a thing? There’s nothing stopping a woman from going right back to work after giving birth and letting the man be the stop at home parent. I don’t know why this is an impossibility
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:49 AM
6

Expecting people to be honest about why their relationship fell apart is just being gullible. There’s two sides to every story. If you asked the man from these relationships they’d tell you a different story. But sure, take what these women say at face value and discount what men say
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:45 AM
7

Whats stopping them from going to the frontlines and fighting in combat if they really wanted to? Nothing. But they don’t do it in anywhere close to equal numbers. But sure, make some straw-man for me and then leave. You’re the one who claims to want equality. Yes, equality in the classroom. Equality in the boardroom. But not equality when it comes to being the provider. Not equality when it comes to doing shitty jobs, not equality when it comes to fighting for your country. You either want equa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:42 AM
6

Yes of course the women will say that. They’re never going to admit, “I resented the fact that he didn’t make as how money so I belittled him and lost respect for him and that’s what caused our relationship to collapse.”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:37 AM
9

Yes it does. That’s what’s currently expected for men. That’s what men have always been expected to do. Why should it be any different for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:35 AM
5

Do you honestly believe that women would have volunteered for combat in anywhere close to equal numbers if they had been allowed to? Even in Tito’s partisans which used extensive female fighters, the total percentage wasn’t more than 10%. Women aren’t serious about abolishing the draft. It’s not a serious proposal because the draft is essential. As for Ukraine, the men get raped too, read stories about Ukrainian POWs in Russian captivity, it’s horrific. But please do tell me how women are the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:33 AM
3

They’re replacing men in these high paying roles. But you assume that this is a good to society. Why? Why is women replacing men in high paying jobs inherently good for society? Who does that benefit aside from the women themselves? Does it negatively affect men if less men are in high paying positions?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:26 AM
-1

Unless that man has tons of money. Then they’d still date him
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:06 AM
2

It’s a good thing why? Why is that inherently good? What does it matter if a CEO is a man or a woman for example? To problem is that when these women can’t find someone to date they turn around and blame men for not being able to “handle them”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:05 AM
3

It’s not an assumption if it’s based on reality
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 02:02 AM
2

I don’t think it’s about masculinity and femininity. It’s about personality types. Men aren’t attracted to women who are complete sociopath narcissists unless they’re extremely hot. And even then a lot of men would still pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:58 AM
10

What percentage of combat troops in WWII were women and what percentage were men? It’s got to be like 95%+ were men right? Feminists have no problem with the draft, with conscripting men for combat, yet they advocate for “equality.” Where are the Ukrainian and Russian feminists advocating for women to be conscripted into the war? Nowhere. Women want equality in everything positive that men have but none of the bad sides. So in fact, they don’t want equality they want superiority
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:54 AM
10

Was she on the frontlines with her female colleagues getting bombed, shelled and gunned down though?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:21 AM
8

Yeah, and the type of people that are willing to viciously claw themselves to the top of the corporate hierarchy are more likely than not to be sociopaths, narcissists, ego maniacs, etc. Not people who most men would be attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:20 AM
1

Well I think it’s primarily the women who preemptively choose not to date men who make less. And when they do in get relationships they are more likely to put down the man who makes less than the man becoming insecure on his own. I don’t have any proof of the second hypothesis but I reckon that’s how it is
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:16 AM
9

Doesn’t work for you how? Also, if you ever wanted to have kids someone will should leave their job at least for a few years to take care of the child. So, having one person being the provider is ideal for that situation. It seems to be like women want equality in pay or better pay yet don’t want the responsibility that comes with being the provider. That’s hypocritical
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:14 AM
8

Yeah, assuming his job isn’t that stressful and he doesn’t work as many hours. Well now that I think about it, maybe it should be a 80/20 split so that the one doing all the chores doesn’t become resentful - so the other person is still at least contributing
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:09 AM
3

It only matters if she puts him down and shames him for not earning or if she doesn’t support him properly when he’s working
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:06 AM
6

Doesn’t it cut both ways? That the high earning women are putting the low earning men down for not making enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:01 AM
11

It depends on how hard/stressful the job is. The person with the more stressful job with longer hours shouldn’t do chores. If someone works a bullshit corporate job where they only really work 10 hours a week but they make 250k, and someone else works a real job that requires a real 40 hour work week but they only make 80k, the one who works less should do the chores. Regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:00 AM
9

I just find it weird that women ask for equality yet refuse to consider the idea that they should be the primary provider of the relationships Like, men are totally fine with this, and have traditionally been the ones getting high paying jobs. Why wouldn’t women be ok with this if they found themselves in the high paying position? Seems hypocritical
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:57 AM
9

But if a man got laid off and had to take a low wage job in the meantime, you’d still divorce him anyways because now he’s making less than you and “can’t pull his own weight.”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:54 AM
7

I really don’t understand that. What’s the point of marriage or even long term relationships then if you don’t see yourselves as a single unit? What’s the point if you’re not willing to support each other? If your partner got laid off, would you divorce him instantaneously?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:48 AM
10

But don’t you see how that will create problems? If women are encouraged to go to college and get higher and higher paying jobs, their dating pools will continually shrink. The answer is for women to drop the idea that the man has to always be the provider
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:46 AM
-1

Exactly, really like how you put it in that last paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:44 AM
2

Not really super close to any of them but I know them and they seem happy enough. If you haven’t divorced after 15+ years I’d consider that a successful marriage. I just don’t see how things would change if they actually got married to a high earning woman. If she intentionally put down her husband, expected him to contribute all his income to a lavish lifestyle, or just didn’t respect him then yeah I could see how that could led to resentment and divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:43 AM
2

Range from like 30-60. Some of they are some aren’t
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:36 AM
3

I know multiple couples in real life that have this dynamic and it’s not a problem. I’ve talked with my male friends about this before and most of them say they hate working and wouldn’t mind at all being the “house husband”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:33 AM
4

Well that’s not very convincing
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:28 AM
7

I’m sure there are plenty examples of that happening but that doesn’t mean every guy or even most guys would be against his wife making more than him. I know friends and family whose parents have this dynamic and it’s worked out fine. Also, what do you mean pays his own way? Shouldn’t a married couple treat their own finances as a single entity? My Dad supports my Mom who makes significantly less money and has no qualms about that. Why should it be different the other way round?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:27 AM
7

How do you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:26 AM
–

It’s not pre-jection if it’s based on a real phenomenon. Women really do not in fact want to date down. So as a man, why would you waste your time pursuing high earning women with a success rate that’s significantly lower than trying to date women who are middle class or low income? It is simply more efficient not to pursue them More than 1 in 5 women — 22% — say they wouldn’t date someone who makes less money than them, according to a new survey of 3,000 singles across the U.S. from dating comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 10:04 PM
–

Men have hardly anything to offer? That seems a bit sexist isn’t it? What could men need to offer? That seems like a convenient excuse
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:55 PM
–

From my personal experience, none of the men I know in real life wouldn’t date a woman who makes significantly more than them or has generational wealth. If anything that would make them more attractive. Sure, there might be a loud portion of men who want a traditional wife who takes care of the children. But I bet it’s a smaller percentage than the percentage of women who don’t date down
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:50 PM
–

Exactly, men are only wanting equality with women because women hold all the advantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:46 PM
–

I’m totally open to dating women that make significantly more than me. The problem is they would never do that and even if they did they wouldn’t respect me and they’d eventually become resentful
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:45 PM
–

No, I don’t believe they would.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:43 PM
–

More than 1 in 5 women — 22% — say they wouldn’t date someone who makes less money than them, according to a new survey of 3,000 singles across the U.S. from dating company Plenty of Fish. That’s compared with just 4% of men https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/many-women-say-they-wont-date-a-man-over-this-one-financial-issue-2017-04-07 This is a real societal phenomenon that a big percentage of women - and these are mostly likely the high earning women - don’t date down.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:36 PM
–

No, it’s because high earning women simply dont want to date men that make less than them. Because they don’t respect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:34 PM
–

Men have to pursue widely just to get a chance of a date
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:31 PM
–

She’s only a gold digger if she likes you only for your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:30 PM
–

No, it’s exactly the opposite. The women are the ones who don’t want men that make less than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:29 PM
–

You’re way overthinking it. Guys just want a hot woman. Doesn’t matter whether she is poor is rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:28 PM
3

I have nice clothes for my job and such but I hate wearing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 06:48 PM
11

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ 70-80% of women under 65 are in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 05:31 PM
5

so yes, don’t join a group just seeking a date. it will be obvious, and it will be unattractive. focus on yourself, and having a good time You SHOULD approach women, but only after they’ve shown mutual interest, such as making eye contact a couple of times of more, or waving or something. She’s saying here that you shouldn’t join clubs unless you’re 100% interested in them for your own sake and that you shouldn’t approach women unless you can read social cues that they like you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:57 PM
8

Women on this thread are saying you should stay home unless you’re an expert at reading social cues though
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:51 PM
3

Go into any thread on reddit asking men about if they’ve missed or misinterpreted cues from women before. There will likely be 10,000+ comments of stories of men who’ve had a hard time with these cues. Reading cues is extremely difficult and can often led to men getting it wrong. And the only way to get slightly better at that is to try and to fail graciously. And this can be embarrassing and awkward but is that so awful? Going to clubs you’re not interested in and trying to treat women as frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:51 PM
7

That makes sense, you obviously have to be a bit tactful. I’m not sure I agree with the don’t change yourself part. I hate wearing nice clothes. Should I never improve my wardrobe? If I could I would wear basketball shorts and t shirts every day of my life. I have zero motivation to improve this beyond getting a romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:38 PM
6

You missed the biggest parts. How do they know the other ones like them? Who initiates the conversations? Who asks if the other would want to sleep with them? What I’m getting at here is that the onus is always on the man to make sure the ‘spark’ is translated into action
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:33 PM
16

So you’re arguing to be extremely proactive in pursuing women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:29 PM
5

Ah yes, eye contact and a smile. That clearly means she’s interested and not just being nice. Reading social cues isn’t easy. Telling men to stay home unless they can perfectly read social cues means… men will have to always stay home
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:28 PM
4

Look, just because dating is easy for women doesn’t mean it’s easy for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:19 PM
4

What does that even mean though? This is another problem. Women expect men to read them like a book. They should know 100% of the time if they are flirting or not. They should know with 100% certainty if she likes you or not. You can never be totally social expert. Especially if you are new to the picking up women game, you’re going to make mistakes. And you say if you’re going to be a little awkward, a little inept, then stay home. Well great, these men will always be single then
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:19 PM
20

go for it Go for it how? I thought she was supposed to make the first move? Yeah, millions of men interact with women daily but don’t get anything out of it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:15 PM
21

Yeah, romantic relationships are clearly meaningless and no one should pursue it because it will have zero impact on your happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:12 PM
11

Because this guy in the comment above said he didn’t spend any time pursuing women yet he had plenty of options. He said don’t be proactive
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:10 PM
4

Ah, so now you acknowledge that you have to be proactive…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:08 PM
15

I mean, that’s obviously hyperbole, and these men are really just worried about being shamed
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:07 PM
19

Dating is too formal in the early stages of dating? Huh? So you were still meeting up with women but not calling them dates? And who was setting that up? And if women were just inviting you over to fuck unprompted you should recognize that that’s rare for the vast majority of men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:06 PM
10

All the activities I do are almost exclusively male. Tell me how I’m supposed to meet women organically there?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:04 PM
9

What’s wrong with joining clubs specifically to try to meet women? And how does something “spark romantically?” A man has to wait for the woman to flirt? Wait for her to ask him out? That’s never going to happen
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:04 PM
17

And yet the vast majority or women are still in relationships? The idea on this sub that women have completely exited the dating market is hilariously wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:01 PM
13

That’s how it works for women, that’s not how it works for men. Women will never make the first move, ask a guy out or anything. If a man waits for a woman to make the first move, he’s going to be single forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:00 PM
28

I don’t see a contradiction here. Being proactive is necessary but also really hard. Why is that hard to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 03:59 PM
9

You can “restructure your life” and it won’t mean shit because women won’t ask you out and women won’t actively pursue you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 03:57 PM
20

That’s not how it works. You still need to pursue women to some degree or another. Were they asking you out?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 03:57 PM
5

It seems like it wouldn’t take much to make Adam happy though
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:09 AM
2

They can’t. There’s tons of selfish men who are bad at sex
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 11:33 PM
3

If you don’t eventually sleep with someone you won’t reproduce, so that’s a pretty big deal. You should value her more but that doesn’t mean you have to admit all your flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 11:33 PM
5

Plenty of experienced dudes do that too. Tons of experienced dudes are bad at sex
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 11:31 PM
9

“My last relationship was pretty toxic and I really don’t want to get into to.” There’s the answer
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 11:30 PM
11

Why would you ever disclose that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 11:28 PM
9

Almost all decent jobs require some kind of prior experience. Why not pad your resume vs struggle pointlessly?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 11:25 PM
1

I live in a city of 3 million people. I go to beaches, parks, bars, clubs, rec sports leagues, meet people through family, friends, work. It’s not hard
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 08:09 PM
2

Women have tried calling out unreasonable beauty standards directed at them for decades now. Are you saying it’s ok for them to do that but men can’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 05:05 PM
-1

Ok, then keep coping. Nothing is stopping you from asking
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 04:57 PM
1

The men who say that aren’t trying, i guarantee that. The women have unrealistic standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:45 PM
0

Every dude can date at will if he just asks enough women. Also, there’s no way that statistic can be true even accounting for women dating older men. Either the men or women or both are lying about their status
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 07:14 AM
5

The vast majority of dudes don’t have “screaming negative energy.”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 06:40 AM
2

What glaring issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 06:14 AM
1

No you don’t. The average man in his 40’s or older isn’t special but he’s more likely than not married or been married or in a long term relationship. Average people aren’t special. They work mundane jobs. Have common interests. Maybe a couple typical hobbies. Have the same social interactions as everyone else. Consume the same media. No one is really special
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 05:08 AM
1

Settled or just became realistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 05:06 AM
3

That doesn’t check out. Obesity rates are about the same. How would their market value be an overweight woman? I guess if you’re in shape but you have an exceptionally ugly face maybe https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/overweight-obesity
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:50 AM
5

Most men aren’t obese though
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:45 AM
3

A woman’s top 20% is constantly in flux. Women themselves can’t tell you exactly what they want. The best way to get in that top 20% is to get to know her. You instantly become more attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:40 AM
2

The percentage of men who are obese is about the same as the percentage of women who are obese. They can just date each other, or if they don’t want to do that they can lose weight. Simple as
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:38 AM
3

Yeah, but do you need that? If your goal is to marry a perfect 10, then yes, you should improve as much as possible. If your goal is just to marry someone you like and find reasonably attractive then improvement isn’t the end all be all
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:33 AM
0

My post was aimed at the type of people- whether blue or red or black that seem to think men need to put in Herculean effort just to get a girlfriend. This might be true if your baseline starting position is a 400 pound basement dwelling jobless, friendless slob, but most men aren’t that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:31 AM
4

Most people marry. Most people aren’t special. Sorry, but that’s the way the world works. If everyone is special then no one is. Most people are boring. They have mundane hobbies, mundane jobs, and have similar experiences to everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:19 AM
9

The average woman is not better dressed. I worked in an office with casual dress code. What did women wear? Jeans and a t shirt or sweater. What did guys wear? The same thing. More attractive. That’s only because female looks are valued more by society. If you asked an Ancient Greek about this, they’d say males are more attractive. More educated, sure more young women go to college. But gen z and millennial men still out earn women. And the average woman isn’t anything special. She probably work…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:18 AM
1

I said men should just be more social and more forward about asking women out and this is the best way to see results. The average man and the average woman aren’t anything special and there’s nothing wrong with that. You don’t need to be special just to attract a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:08 AM
2

How else to you learn to how socialize than by actually doing it? And once you’re doing it, it isn’t hard
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 01:14 AM
2

If only 20% of men could date, how do you explain the fact that the vast majority of men are in or have been in long term relationships at some point? Also, you don’t need to date multiple women at the same time, you just need to get lucky once.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 01:08 AM
1

There’s just as many fat chicks out there today as fat dudes. There’s nothing stopping them from dating each other
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 01:04 AM
2

No, nothing changes about a man when you ask someone out. There’s no improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 01:01 AM
4

Even if that’s true, improvement is always emphasized over putting yourself out here. It should be the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 01:00 AM
11

Women do care about looks more than people here admit but also you don’t need don’t to be perfect to pick up women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 10:49 PM
12

Are you speaking of self improvement? If so, it’s not just the work, it’s the fact that not everyone can do it. Not everyone can make $250,000 a year. Not everyone can or wants to spend enough time in the gym to look like Arnold. Can everyone improve their lives to a certain degree? Absolutely. Is it reasonable to expect everyone to the point where it makes a massive difference in their life? Not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 10:48 PM
1

I’m just going to pick out a couple for the sake of time. someone being livid at you. This is somehow unique to romantic relationships? You’ve never had someone mad at you in any other context before? how you establish boundaries Again, never had to set boundaries in any other contexts before? breaking up Yeah, people in long term relationships break up all the time if you haven’t noticed. And the idea that you can always walk away from your problems with your family, friends or work isn’t true …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 02:12 PM
1

Just having a small sample size disproves the idea that previous relationship experience is 100% necessary and essential
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 02:02 PM
6

Well if this imagery person was actively pursuing a relationship, then it reasons that fears of avoidance would be unwarranted and fears of non commitment would be unfounded if he’s actively demonstrating willingness to commit here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:51 AM
8

A red flag is something that is inherently bad. There’s nothing inherently bad about not having relationship experience. A red flag would be lying or not respecting your time or boundaries for example. And past relationship experience isn’t a quality. It’s just a fact. Having relationship experience doesn’t automatically make someone good at relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:31 AM
2

All of that can also be learned from outside relationships. Dealing with other people’s chewing? Well I’d assume you eat plenty of dinners with friends, family and roommates and have had to navigate this problem at some point with one of them before. Trying to decide on what to do is a problem we all face all the time, with friends, family, at work, it’s not unique to relationships. Establishing boundaries is another thing you can and should learn at work and also with family and friends. Waitin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:27 AM
2

No, the communication skills are the same as everywhere else in life. What’s different? The fact that you’re talking about sex? The fact that you’re talking about long term relationship planning? The subject matter doesn’t change fundamentals of communication Growth and maturity can also happen outside of a relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:23 AM
6

Romantic experience isn’t needed to have romantic experiences. If it was then how could anyone get started?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:21 AM
9

That’s a big jump to just accuse all inexperienced men of being bitter and angry. I haven’t seen that at all. The ones who are the most bitter are the ones that have been burned badly by bad relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:19 AM
9

1000% agree here. What people mean by “relationship experience” is actually maturity. You didn’t have better relationships from high school to college to mid 20’s because you had relationships and learned from them, it’s because you matured overall as a person. And all the attributes that make for a successful relationship - communication, thoughtfulness, empathy, managing emotions, etc - none of that can be exclusively learned from relationships. As evidence, I have a friend who is super smart …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:18 AM
5

What unspoken rules? And everyone brings “baggage” in one form or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:01 AM
6

Why can’t she communicate like a normal person? It’s ultra toxic to say one thing and expect another thing to happen Aren’t men supposed to believe women? And if she said “I’m fine,” and he followed up with “I don’t think you are.” Her next sentence would probably be “ugh, you don’t understand, leave me alone.”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 09:40 PM
1

Well it’s not like there’s no women in history at all. There certainly are some. Queen Elizabeth I. Catherine the great. Boudica. The Trung Sisters. Joan of arc. Ada Lovelace. And I didn’t say sex was more stressful for men just that there is still stress. You’re not just completely relaxed
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 11:47 PM
4

Yeah, it’s look at Einstein and George Washington were men but it doesn’t really affect me that much. In terms of sex, it can still be a bit stressful. You have to perform. You have to not cum too fast or too slow. You have to maintain an erection. You have to make sure your woman’s needs are taken care of. If you fail to perform in any way it can be deeply embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 11:31 PM
5

I’ve heard a couple women in real life tell me that their lives would be easier if they were men, so I wanted to see if that was a widespread believe or not. I also thought it’d be interesting to see what women thought about benefits and negatives of being a man. I feel like the opposite gets discussed here a lot, so I wanted to flip the conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 11:04 PM
2

That makes sense. What about your life in particular would’ve been easier as a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:42 PM
6

I honestly don’t remember anything my high school career counselors told me. Sucks that they were bad at your school though I’ve heard woman’s physical pain isn’t taken as seriously and men’s mental health isn’t taken as seriously as for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:41 PM
3

Can you elaborate a little on the career and medical advantages?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:29 PM
1

That’s a big one
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:28 PM
3

They’re not leaving bad reviews. They’re making fun of/bullying them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 12:56 AM
1

Always? Not become the time of social media
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 12:26 AM
5

How often does it really happen where women are literally fawning over dudes? Unless the dudes an absolute 10, which is very rare, it doesn’t happen. Men are dealing with lukewarm interest 99% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 11:58 PM
9

Why should we as a society tolerate that kind of behavior? Why aren’t there consequences for women making targeting men like that on the internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 11:57 PM
2

15% is still not even close to being a majority…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 11:56 PM
1

Yes I want that. I want random women to approach me on the street 100%. They can catch call me too. Even if they’re below my league.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 11:55 PM
3

Ok, so you’re admitting they’re no universal look then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 11:54 PM
5

That’s just semantics. It’s all the same. Whether you think a guy is hot or just kind of cute, you’re still attracted to him. What do women do when they’re intensely physically attracted vs what do they do when they’re only kind of attracted?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 10:56 PM
9

You can’t generalize. People aren’t that simple and the signs of attractive are very subtle. Some girls have resting bitch face, some girls are shy and advert eye contact with guys they like, some stare, some blush, it’s all different. And the way they act when they’re just being polite and nice might be very similar to when they’re flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 10:51 PM
2

Yeah, you’re not going to get arrested but you could get shamed. She could post a picture or video online of “can you believe this loser talked to me.” Sure this isn’t common but it’s not like it’s never happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 10:48 PM
3

Somewhat read the room meaning what? That you know every time it someone is interested or not. No one can do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 10:46 PM
7

How do you know if someone is attracted to you though? You can’t know 100% for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 10:43 PM
5

Experience can only take you so far because everyone is different. How do you know for a fact if someone is flirting or just being nice? You don’t ever know unless you ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 10:40 PM
6

My parents met at work, have now been married almost 40 years so far. If you weren’t allowed to date your co-workers I wouldn’t be here so I don’t see a problem with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 10:39 PM
1

A video with millions of views and thousands of commenting echoing that sentiment isn’t accurate in the slightest?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 10:34 PM
0

All men are afraid at some level of false accusations
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:55 PM
2

Guess you’re just to suave
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:55 PM
0

You don’t speak for anyone but unhappy feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:22 PM
0

Happiest lol, definitely not. But sure, I’m sure you speak for all women. I’m sure all women hate it when an attractive dude compliments them and asks for their phone number. I’m sure all women would rather live alone with their cats than marry the man of their dreams.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:11 PM
1

That’s weird because that’s not actually what most women think. They want to be approached. If you go on tik tok and look at what normal women are saying - they want to be approached and they certainly want to date. We’re letting a small minority of women dictate how dating should work, and you seem to think people shouldn’t date anyone outside their social circle which is unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:06 PM
1

If they don’t want to approach or be approached then do they just not want to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:51 PM
1

The stakes for getting it wrong are much higher now. One person’s flirting is anyone person’s harassment
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:49 PM
-6

Men don’t live with fear? They are far more likely to be victims of violent crimes But way to hold up toxic masculinity and assert that men cannot be anxious or be victims because they’re the strong ones and they’re always the aggressors
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:13 AM
0

Is it possible that she thinks I’m 1/1000 that aren’t bad, or would she lump me in with everyone else? Probably the latter, especially since she doesn’t know me. So I’m being painted with a brush that is objectively untrue and unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:12 AM
1

It’s in this very comment chain. Go all the way up. Ok, but it says basically 100%. That’s insanely high
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:58 AM
0

Ask yourself how many men you think would say....pressure a woman who could potentially, someday be willing...into having sex on his schedule and not waiting for her comfort? I would say an uncomfortably high amount knocking on nearly 100%. How many men do you think would say pressure a woman to do something sexually she’s not expressed enthusiasm about.....nearly 100%? How many men would say make uncomfortably sexual comments to their female underlings or peers? I’d go ahead and say that one ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:55 AM
1

Would you agree everyone knows murder is wrong? But people keep doing it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:51 AM
-1

How does that lead you to the conclusion that almost 100% of men would be sexually coercive in some way given the chance? I find that a bit insulting honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:51 AM
6

How is that supposed to help? Everyone knows that’s wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:42 AM
1

That’s absurdly high percentages. And this is exactly the problem I’m talking about in this post. Me too has made women think that all men are predators and the only thing keeping them in check is massive amounts of shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:38 AM
0

Did that number change pre 2014 vs post 2014?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:35 AM
-4

This was absolutely not the first time any man had ever been accused of sexual assault or rape before…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:29 AM
-2

Pretty sure people still were arrested and jailed for rape and sexual assault before 2014
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:10 AM
0

Women fear men in general and men fear false accusations
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:07 AM
-1

Men are now afraid to be falsely accused and nothing has changed fundamentally about how the legal system works
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:46 AM
-2

That wasn’t an issue beforehand?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:45 AM
3

Listen, if you’re not smart enough to address anything I said and actually debate me that’s ok. Just shut up. The one going on threads just to insult people they disagree with sounds insecure
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:26 AM
-3

Sure you can do that. But if men have been told over and over that women don’t want to be approached if it’s unwanted and that they’re now hypersensitive to anything that could be sexual harassment, are men going to approach? A lot of men aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:20 AM
1

Imagine getting mad at someone for talking about male gender issues on a subreddit specifically for discussing gender issues…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:16 AM
2

There goes my point? My point is that there are bad people and there are good people. The idea that we need to insistently lecture all men for the actions of the few bad ones is ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:12 AM
1

I don’t think this is what’s really happening though. Sure, average Albert is less likely to approach women he’s interested in, but in the online dating world, the average woman now has 100s of average Alberts ready to give attention. So it’s now supercharged how much attention women can get but it’s artificial because it’s online, and this creates a new set of toxic problems
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:06 AM
0

Aside from Kevin Spacey were any other male celebrities named?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:51 AM
-1

What about the consequence that men don’t approach women as much now?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:48 AM
-1

Why is it labeled as something that is a boys only issue generally though?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:59 AM
1

How do you accomplish that? How do you stop rumors from spreading before an investigation finishes?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:49 AM
3

I’m pretty sure me too was specially for only women. I don’t remember a single instance where a high profile woman was accused of sexual assault by a man
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:48 AM
-6

That’s not all it did. It wasnt teaching consent, it was telling men not to rape. That’s condescending and ineffective.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:45 AM
0

If you can prove to me that those attitudes do translate into an actual reduction of assaults then yes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:42 AM
-1

Because teens having sex without U.S. protection isn’t universally seen as evil. It’s seen as dumb but teenagers do dumb stuff all the time. Everyone knows rape is wrong. And your study references attitudes not actual rates of sexual assault on campus after education programs
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:19 AM
2

What was the effect of the child abduction moral panic? Now parents don’t like children play outside by themselves at the park and children have stunted development because they never learned independent play. Seeing predators everywhere isn’t true, and it certainly isn’t healthy or good. The messaging around me too is for women to be overly cautious even around people they know or in situations that they think should be safe. That’s paranoia not prudence
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:13 AM
6

Education didn’t solve the drunk drivers problem. If education could solve problems then no one would do drugs. After all, we had the DARE program in the 80’s and 90’s right? But because your opinion of men is so low, you actually believe a DARE like program aimed at men would actually work somehow?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:10 AM
3

But I’m guessing you didn’t like being told that right? But you think it’s ok to tell men things like that? Why only consent for men? And after you’ve established the very basics that’s all you can do. You can teach people not to steal for example
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:08 AM
2

“Not all Arabs were directly responsible for 9/11. But the Arabs did do it.” Does that feel off to you? Maybe a little racist perhaps?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:05 AM
0

And I’m guessing you disagree with that messaging given to women. But you don’t disagree with that messaging being aimed at men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:03 AM
0

Getting justice for assault victims and telling men to stop committing assault are two separate things. How would you feel if someone said in regards to me too, “teach your daughters to be less promiscuous?” Wouldn’t sit right would it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:00 AM
6

Yes, because that’s such a basic concept everyone should know it. You can teach kids - both boys and girls - about the concept of consent during sex Ed, but specifically telling boys ‘not to rape’ is beyond condescending. Everyone knows that. That’s like saying we need to teach black kids to not murder. It’s condescending, unhelpful and outright racist
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:57 AM
2

At my college campus during that time they put up tons of flyers, even in men’s bathrooms, about “no means no, don’t commit sexual assault!” This was very much part of the me too movement. That’s just a no true Scotsman argument. “Anyone who said that isn’t normal and only normal people were part of me too.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:56 AM
0

The me too movement wasn’t just about the accusations. It was also the general discussion in society about why men do this and how it can be prevented You can’t have your guard up 24/7, it’s exhausting and frankly paranoid to be like that. Should a woman have her guard up when watching a movie with her partner? When checking out at the grocery store? When walking down a dark alley?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:52 AM
-1

When they were saying things like “teach your sons not to rape,” this was extremely condescending and patronizing. I was in high school and college during the me too movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:49 AM
2

The me too movement wasn’t just about sharing experiences. It was much more than that. If that’s all it was then I wouldn’t have made this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:48 AM
-5

A big part of the me too movement was telling men to stop doing it. As if men are one big group that works in concert together. Also, telling men that any attention they give to women unless specifically asked for by women was bad. And also telling people to believe women no matter what - even if their accusation ended up being false. This is what I object to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:46 AM
-1

It’s the constant messaging of “men are bad,” “men are just waiting for a moment to strike,” “women should always have the guard up.” “Any unwanted attention from a man is evil”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:43 AM
2

So saying all men are predators somehow isn’t misandrist?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:42 AM
7

No one is objecting to rape being prosecuted. Me too didn’t change that - it didn’t outlaw rape. What it did was create a culture of fear. And it also led to some really condescending statements directed at men. “Teach your sons not to rape” for example. The idea that all men are inherently bad and out to get women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:41 AM
0

The victims coming forward wasn’t the issue. It was the media storm that followed it and the many op Ed’s and such about the state of men in society. What stopped victims from coming forward was the fact that they were victims of powerful men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:08 AM
-6

Sure they’ve been told to be cautious but to what degree is my point. Protective how? Telling them that all men are potential rapists who are just waiting to strike? Not letting them go anywhere by themselves? That seems extreme
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:04 AM
-2

I can’t say it’s never happened but it’s rare for men to talk like this compared to women. I’ve been in a lot of locker rooms throughout my life
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:20 PM
–

Even if you’re attractive, you’re not going to be getting swiped on by every woman. So you should still play this strategy to an extent for optimal results. Even attractive men get way less matches than average women on dating apps - that’s just a fact. It’s just a numbers game. If you aren’t shown to any women - you won’t get matches. If you are shown to 100 women you like and only 5 of them match, that’s still a win. Yes, the algorithms are the problem along with the lack of women on the platf…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:38 PM
–

Greed. That’s what it’s all about. If you could convince an average man he needs to pay tens or hundreds of dollars a month just to get some matches - some will
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:17 PM
–

Because that’s how the algorithm works. If you only swipe on women you’re interested in, most of them will reject you and that will decrease your score so the algorithm will show you less. If you swipe on women who you’re not interested in, that will increase the odds they will swipe on you, increasing your score so you will be seen more
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:04 PM
–

Then how do you go on dates, wait for the same men to ask you? How does that change things?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:16 AM
–

Who’s going to open them up once they’ve closed then? There could be untapped demand that isn’t being realized
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:01 AM
–

No one is forcing women into relationships. Men simply want women to have realistic standards. It’s not realistic to always date the hottest guy in a 50 mile radius. What do you want men to offer? Financial support? Emotional support? Friendship?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:59 AM
–

It’s never going to be the norm for people to be single. We’re a social species.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:54 AM
–

Being aggressive changes things obviously. If someone is rude and aggressive then sure, be rude back if you want. But if someone is respectful- why not be respectful back. This really isn’t difficult
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:33 AM
–

That’s still less than half. And that doesn’t say out of those who are single if they are currently pursuing a relationship or not
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:32 AM
–

Sure they can do that. But most women still want children and even among women who don’t want children they still want husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:31 AM
–

Maybe you live in a bubble because for all my friends - the apps don’t work for any of us
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:30 AM
–

Men are forced to play the game this way because this is how dating apps are designed. The only way out is to not use the apps and do something else
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:29 AM
–

If you’re looking at two options and you think “why isn’t there that perfect thing I saw at the bigger store,” maybe your expectations were inflated? On an app, you might be able to find someone that checks all the boxes, but in real life you might not be able to. It’s not realistic to expect to that. It’s not realistic to always expect perfection. Also, to continue with the store analogy, if you’re looking for something on Amazon, you might have lots of options but it’s hard to tell if a produc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:28 AM
–

It’s not thirst it’s necessity. That’s just how dating apps work for men. That’s because the majority or at least a plurality of all relationships start on dating apps. Dropping off one individually doesn’t change that. But saying that men are increasingly dropping off dating apps, and are looking for alternatives
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:16 AM
–

The majority of young women still want kids and the majority of the ones who don’t want kids still want partners https://fortune.com/2024/05/02/gen-z-millennial-women-choosing-dink-lifestyle/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:13 AM
–

The men who aren’t playing around aren’t getting matches at all. That’s the thing
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:11 AM
–

Most women don’t want to remain single forever. Most want children and families, which means finding a husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:34 AM
–

Like a matchmaking service or friends acting as matchmakers?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:33 AM
–

You don’t need to be brutal and cruel. When a homeless junkie asks me for money on the street, I don’t say, “get a job you lazy bum.” I just say no and keep moving. It’s not hard
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:33 AM
–

So what if it’s unwanted. How hard is it to give a polite no and be on your way? It’s not
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:18 AM
–

The ideal place to meet people isn’t on the street but ideally at a social activity or clubs or something where you can already pre select people that you have things in common with
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:14 AM
–

Of course men. Men have to swipe on basically every woman just to get a decent shot of a match.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:10 AM
–

Women want to find someone nice to date faster. That’s the bottom line. They don’t like having to sort through tons of dating profiles and dumb conversations to get there. They don’t like having to deal with sleazy assholes on tinder. No one is ever going to say they want fewer options. But if you’re standing in an aisle at the grocery store looking at 100 different variations of the same product, you just want the 1-2 variants that you actually like. Meeting people in real life is a better way …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:09 AM
–

If you want to get any matches as a man, you have no choice but to spam profiles. Otherwise you simply won’t get any matches at all and at that point you might as well delete the app
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:56 PM
–

I’ve never seen or heard of a woman making the first move IRL. It’s exceedingly rare
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:53 PM
–

They don’t frame it like that. When you hear about women talk about situationships, talk about trying to lock down a guy into a long term relationship, frustration with dating apps, that’s how the complaints are being voiced
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:52 PM
–

What kind of work are they demanding? The difference is the amount of selection they have today is unparalleled. It creates an entirely new paradigm
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:49 PM
–

For the vast majority of men, apps don’t work like that. They have to swipe at least 100-1000 times just to get one conversation going and that may or may not even led to a date. It quickly becomes a futile waste of time. Participation in everything you named is way down. People simply aren’t going to those places at the rates they used to go. I’d be fine if they brought back WWII dance halls, whatever brings people together
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:48 PM
–

The apps. I’ve seen how women use apps. They can easily get 100-200+ matches in an hour or two of swiping even while being picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:45 PM
–

I’d be happy if women were fully in the drivers seat if they dropped the idea that men should always be the ones to make the first move and that men should pay for the first date and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:43 PM
–

The U.S. was less car reliant pre 1950 than it was today. The drop started after the 50’s and has continued steadily since then. That’s the thing, if people chose not to go the clubs or do activities 20 years ago, then those things probably don’t even exist anymore today.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:40 PM
–

If women were fine with it then why are women dissatisfied with dating apps? And why don’t women make the first move IRL?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:38 PM
–

You can only be picky if you have tons of options. If you go to the grocery store and see 200 different varieties of ketchup, you can be picky. If you go there and see 2 varieties, you can’t be picky. Online dating has enabled women to be way more picky than they have normally been
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:37 PM
–

Women rarely make the first move, even when the guy is hot. Most women still want a man. Most women want kids and a family, that requires a husband. The difference in real life is that looks are only part of what make men attractive to women but it’s almost impossible to show anything but looks in a dating app. In real life you can show your personality, humor, etc. Also, I think most better look better in real life than they do in pictures. And in real life, in a bar for example, if a hot dude …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:35 PM
–

A decrease in third spaces is 100% real. Participation in rec leagues, clubs, social activities have all declined in the last few decades. Additionally, in the U.S. at least, most people live in places that are heavily car dependent and don’t have many public spaces to hang out in. Men aren’t approaching women at the same rates they were 10+ years ago. And most relationships today start on the apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:29 PM
–

But not all women can lock down a “chad.” So it’s a problem for them. Because they’ll have to settle when they try to marry
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:27 PM
–

If you ask anyone today if they like modern online dating - the majority or vast majority will say no. For both men AND women. That’s why participation in the apps is dropping. People want something else
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:17 PM
1

Shit advice loser
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 02:36 AM
1

You’re simply wrong. It makes zero sense that women waited that long to get married. And there’s no evidence to back this up. Your link just lists ages with no citation. And even if that was somehow accurate- is that accounting for second and third marriages?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:37 PM
1

False. You just cherry picked a couple historical data points that support you. Look at medieval Europe - people were mostly getting married in their teens and this was mostly driven by their parents economic status. Prostitution doent mean there wasn’t monogamy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:22 PM
1

I’m talking 90%+ of people in the Ottoman Empire didn’t do polygamy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:13 PM
1

I’m talking pre-industrial age marriages
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:13 PM
-1

You can go to the hunter gatherer societies that still exist today and talk with them and they’ll tell you they practice monogamy. Look at the Hazda for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:12 PM
0

Yeah, except the evolutionary “facts” they purpose were wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:10 PM
1

More men aren’t born than women, where are you getting that from? And men always had a higher mortality rate than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:09 PM
2

Apart from the sultan, polygamy wasn’t common at all for the ottomans
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:45 AM
-1

The Middle East is polygamous? Really? Let’s see some evidence of that. The Mormons existed for all of like a hot minute before they were forced to drop polygamy. Yeah, tons of kings throughout history had multiple mistresses that’s nothing new. You’re really flailing here just to try to pull something to contradict the fact that monogamy has been the default forever
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:02 AM
1

Were they actually athletic - good at sports - or did they just look like they would be. There’s a big difference between couples meeting at a co-Ed sports league and women being impressed by an athletic display
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:59 AM
0

That’s what I’ve personally seen yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:41 PM
-1

Because women are unconsciously reinforcing the idea that men have to compete just to be given basic respect or taken seriously. Isn’t that what toxic masculinity is about?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:39 PM
0

People get waaay more leeway in society than men do. People are more likely to try to help a woman in distress than a man in distress. People are more likely to be suspicious of a man than a woman. People are more likely to give a woman a second chance than a man. I could go on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:36 PM
-1

I’ve seen this on this subreddit twice
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:33 PM
2

Well that’s the default option now since online dating is the most common way for young people to date
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:33 PM
0

Ok, what does the feminist movement believe? What are there tenets?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:32 PM
1

But that’s not how colonization actually happened in history. It was usually the men who went first and then women came later. Occasionally both men and women would come in equal numbers. Look at the conquistadors, the Virginia colony, Quebec, etc etc. And nowhere in history do we see a society that lasted for any significant length of time where polygamy was practiced. The reason humans are more successful than chimps and gorillas is monogamy. Because there isn’t an alpha who gets all the femal…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:31 PM
0

What’s a feminist then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:25 PM
-4

Well like I said I’ve seen it on this subreddit at least twice. But maybe there’s only a small percentage of people who think that. Idk. But what I have seen is a lot of people do reinforce the disposal man idea - that a man only has value if he provides. And that he needs to compete for everything just to earn some basic respect
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:24 PM
2

Men back then weren’t doing that though. It was about how much wealth and power your family had. And if your family didn’t have that then it was mostly a matter of proximity. You could be the most shy, unfit, uncomfortable dude but if your family owned a big estate then tons of other families would be trying to marry their daughter to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:10 PM
1

Unlike men, most women wouldn’t say attractiveness is the only priority for finding the dream man. The dream man needs to have a good job, be funny, be smart, be supportive, share some common interests, share some key common life goals, etc etc. Finding a man who checks all those boxes, AND is attractive AND is willing to get married, is difficult. If it wasn’t women wouldn’t be saying that dating is hard right? So the average woman will have to make a compromise somewhere right? I mean not ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:06 PM
0

No, women still need men. Most women want children. Women need to have children before 35, but ideally before 30. Women also need a partner to split housing expenses with. Women can’t afford to settle down and wait forever for a man. The standards drastically changed once online dating became common because suddenly an average woman could get 100’s of potential dates in an hour. This allows women to have more dating partners but it doesn’t make it easier to find the “dream partner.” If anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:55 PM
2

When I play co-Ed sports I don’t go all out like I do when I play male only sports. It’s always much more laid back. It is more social usually. Men aren’t trying to kill each other to win over a woman or something. And women don’t go for the guy on the team who’s the best at the sport. They go for the hot guy or the funny guy or the social guy
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:48 PM
0

That’s still the case today. A woman needs a man to start a family. In this economy it’s hard for a single income person to buy a house or have a luxurious lifestyle, so a woman needs a man for that. The looks thereshold only exists on online dating apps. In real life, when you get to know women, that looks minimum shifts downward.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:45 PM
2

Most marriages happened at a very young age. How would one acquire these assists? Spoiler, they didn’t. It was their family’s. So they weren’t really competing in the same way men are today
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:40 PM
1

Because I’ve also played co-Ed sports before and it wasn’t like that. Women aren’t swooning because I blocked a shot. Maybe that’s true in high school or maybe college but as adults women don’t care about that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:36 PM
4

Ok, but that’s obviously not at all the same kind of competition that happens today
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:35 PM
-1

Well, it happened
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:34 PM
2

That’s not how things have traditionally worked because that would have meant that average a big portion of men wouldn’t have been able to find a wife but that’s obviously not true. The difference today is online dating - where woman’s preferences can be magnified 100x
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:33 PM
2

They relish doing that IRL or on dating apps? I play multiple sports too but im not doing it for female attention. Hardly any women play the sports I play. The dudes are play with aren’t competing for female attention by playing these sports either. If women were attracted to men solely based on athletic performance that’d be great for me but that’s not how the world works
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:28 PM
3

How did men compete with their peers when most marriages were arranged prior to the Industrial Revolution? Even after that? Until the last 40 years, most people married young and there wasn’t an extended period of dating around or competition around dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:20 PM
1

Just saying what I see, that’s all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:17 PM
4

Hunter gatherers existed for millions of years. Agriculturist culture only has existed for 10,000 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:17 PM
2

Well, it’s about how some feminist women think the damage these apps are doing is ok and “natural.” And how I think that’s absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:14 PM
6

Isn’t that the whole point of the subreddit? To debate issues of dating with people who I disagree with? If I wasn’t interested in debate I wouldn’t be here. And just because I’m here doesn’t mean I let their opinions influence me negatively
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:13 PM
1

Just because they call it that doesn’t mean they’re right
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:11 PM
0

You could be both at the same time. But most feminists don’t advocate for men’s issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:10 PM
3

Men today have to compete with each other in online dating. This has never happened before in human history. How is this natural?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:10 PM
2

Is it though? If you look at Çatalhöyük and other very ancient settlements- they were usually egalitarian. And hunter gatherer societies were also pretty egalitarian
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:09 PM
-1

Everyone has to compete on online dating now. You now have to compete with every other men in the whole city just to get a date. The vast majority of men hate this and there are statistics to back this up. If men only can to compete with like 15 other dudes at work, in class, in a bar, in order to try to win over 1 of 15 women, they wouldn’t have a problem with this. That’s not how online dating works today
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:07 PM
1

Men don’t want to compete with hundreds of other men just to get a date. The way dating works now largely is through online dating where men have to compete against every other single man in a city. There’s no choice here. And it doesn’t matter if you talk to women in non social venues because the options that online dating provides are just a couple taps away. The vast majority of men aren’t “tradcon” men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 10:04 PM
-2

Feminism isn’t red or blue pilled. It’s red when it suits them and blue when it suits them. Purple pilled if you will
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:57 PM
-1

I don’t like the term MGTOW. But idk, men’s rights activist, or something may be a better term and yes I would say someone advocating for the interests of men is a men’s rights activist or another term similar to feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:55 PM
1

Do men choose to compete for female attention? Or do they not have a choice? There’s nothing stopping women from asking out men for example. From what I remember from the discussion where I saw it before this argument was used more broadly to talk about male loneliness not misogyny
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:50 PM
0

Are all feminists against the idea that nature influences who we are? I doubt it. Feminists are a broad group. Anyone advocating for women’s interests is a feminist. Also, feminists can make multiple arguments that aren’t ideologically consistent
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:48 PM
–

I haven’t seen that at all in the U.S.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:05 PM
–

This is only true in Asia. Certainly not true in the west
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 09:04 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

© TheRedArchive 2026. All rights reserved.
created by /u/dream-hunter