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Or how about "just dress appropriately"
/r/seduction28/11/12 06:43 AM
20

Or, you know, you could just approach...
/r/seduction25/11/12 05:52 PM
2

I want to be Tyler Durden. I want to be Adam Lyons. So you wanna do internet marketing? These guys aren't enjoying the rockstar lifestyle that you think they are. They're selling a product. Seduction coaching. Meet them in person and then decide if that's what you want. I'd suggest setting your goals higher.
/r/seduction12/03/12 02:19 AM
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One of the best pieces of advice i've got from anyone was being told that I shouldn't talk about things I've done/will do or things she's done/will do. Keep the conversation in the present, and talk about what she is doing right now and elicit emotions. A conversation with a woman is 10% exchange of information and 90% exchange of emotions/state in the present. Stop telling stories, and start sharing an experience with her. And don't tell her about yourself, let her find out about it. Mystery is…
/r/seduction26/02/12 09:35 AM
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Nope. But dudes from my local lair went. They all agree that it was cool to watch, but completely useless in terms of actually relating to any sticking points they may have. I went to the hot seat preview. and it had some cool videos. But the only thing that has EVER helped me is actually being out in the field and doing.
/r/seduction21/02/12 03:59 AM
1

If you don't want to rely on booze, then stop using it as a crutch. You'll have an awkward period, and then you'll normalize, and you won't miss it
/r/seduction21/02/12 03:37 AM
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Sounds like it's not fun any more. Next time, make a game out of it. Grab a friend and play Simon says. If Simon says do something, do it, or you have a punishment that hurts in someway - financially works, but if the punishment is embarrassment, even better. You're making an excuse to rationalize your AA. Aren't you curious to see if that cute girl in glasses sexywalking down the street from you has anything to offer your life? Go find out!
/r/seduction21/02/12 03:35 AM
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After the brief interaction I realized I was nervous and I had unconsciously put my hand in my pocket when I started talking to her, which is bad body language Don't overthink it.
/r/seduction21/02/12 03:32 AM
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Good job. Now commit to going out in public every day for an hour and meeting people. Instead of going home after work/school, go to some place and do exactly this.
/r/seduction21/02/12 03:31 AM
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Yeah. But I haven't met a person that it's helped yet.
/r/seduction21/02/12 03:28 AM
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He's good with an audience. He knows how to present. But he hasn't approached in months and he won't actually do anything in field because he's married. Being personally acquainted with him and his "trainers" I have to say that his videos are pretty useless. He's pretty real in person, but his videos and products are pretty shitty. And his advice is, for the lack of a better word, pretty obvious.
/r/seduction21/02/12 03:27 AM
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Whats LSE-LD?
/r/seduction19/02/12 09:20 PM
1

Go do some approaches first before you try any products, it will give you a sense of what you can do, or cannot do. The hot seat tells you what is possible if you get over the fear of rejection. Try to do 50 approaches in either a daytime setting or a club before you spend money. And for gods sake stop reading.
/r/seduction09/02/12 03:37 PM
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Yes. But VERY physical. I mean, he grabs girls and is a little rough with them. The verbal part only gives him an excuse for rapid escalation.
/r/seduction03/02/12 02:51 PM
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I have tested this out but I'd like you to try it anyway: The apocalypse opener TofuTofu's physical push pull
/r/seduction03/02/12 02:24 PM
5

He got in trouble because Jason told security that he was harassing some underage girls. (or so I gather from their FB page)
/r/seduction30/01/12 10:42 PM
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It's all in your mind. If you can make it seem like they're not being hit on, as opposed to swept off their feet, you're golden. Don't be creepy about it, be charming.
/r/seduction26/01/12 08:12 PM
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Read everything, and be open to all material. But be careful of what advice you take to heart.
/r/seduction25/01/12 04:11 AM
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I used to post on /r/seduction all the time before, but I've taken a break since. I've been working out a lot of kinks in my mind and trying a number of new tactics/ styles of game, but none of that has really felt congruent. I've been actively going out for night game for about 2 years now, but I haven't had consistent results. I've had more luck within social circles, but I wasn't meeting the type of girls who I wanted. I would go direct on most girls when I approached them cold if I couldn't …
/r/seduction22/01/12 11:37 PM
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I'll send you a PM
/r/seduction22/01/12 10:12 PM
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HOLY FUCK I'M GOING THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW That's pretty ridiculous, but ever since using direct game I've been so much more excited to meet women. I still need to practice the "mid game" and keeping the interaction sexual and outcome independent as well.
/r/seduction22/01/12 07:40 PM
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It's how you say it. Have you watched these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9QS28m1j9w&list=UUFns-k9UgOhVRnKHdynzU2A&index=25&feature=plcp? That's how you do it.
/r/seduction20/01/12 04:16 PM
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In my ideal world I would like it to be socially acceptable to go straight up to a girl and say "You've caught my eye, care to talk a bit and see if we have anything in common" Seriously: watch these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OhW83s3S6w&list=UUFns-k9UgOhVRnKHdynzU2A&index=7&feature=plcp
/r/seduction18/01/12 06:20 AM
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In my ideal world I would like it to be socially acceptable to go straight up to a girl and say "You've caught my eye, care to talk a bit and see if we have anything in common" It's completely acceptable. What makes you think different?
/r/seduction18/01/12 06:01 AM
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Well put.
/r/seduction18/01/12 05:55 AM
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Talk about getting the wrong message. I would like someone to kill this man. Hes always around since hes my roomate's best friend. I simply can't take the advice that you should assert your will over others, assume and act as if you are the center of the universe and be a domineering prick. It is against everything I feel a human being should be. It sickens me when others do it and I can't bring myself to do it to anyone else. Sounds like you're jealous a lil bit. Have you heard about giving val…
/r/seduction17/01/12 02:54 PM
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So, top 10 PUA Coaches?
/r/seduction30/12/11 06:04 PM
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HAHAHAHAH. Good one.
/r/seduction16/12/11 12:59 AM
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What do you mean? Are you a celebrity? Or look like one? Or in a band? Are you me from 1 year in the future?
/r/seduction05/12/11 06:21 AM
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I'd still like to hear it.
/r/seduction05/12/11 06:19 AM
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I'll bite. A hundred women a year. That's one every three days. How?
/r/seduction05/12/11 01:01 AM
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People confuse "be yourself" with being "authentic". There's a difference. EDIT: Damn, lost the rest of the comment. I think this is good enough.
/r/seduction26/09/11 06:08 PM
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Easy. Don't drink. EDIT: Really. I didn't drink for a year when I went out and practice and I'm all the better for it. Drinking reduces anxiety but destroys calibration. You remember everything better and you learn more doing it sober. If you MUST hold a drink, get tonic water or seltzer with lime, or even a coke. It's a dollar, or free if you are claiming to be sober driver. For dates, pick coffee dates, cook at home, and try happy hours. Tell the girl that you'll get food, she gets drinks. Ice…
/r/seduction25/07/11 12:53 AM
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Better practice. Self affirmation without results from your efforts leads to delusion.
/r/seduction12/06/11 10:11 PM
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I don't really want to try acting like an alpha. I'm fine with who I am and the few girls I've dated/been with have said that's part of my charm. I don't want to act like some popular poonhound just to wake up next to some bar slut and say "Yeah....You need to leave so I can level up my resto shaman. I indirectly lied to you about who I am, so you aren't going to be interested in seeing me again." Don't come into this with preconceptions about who you will become. The only things you need to lea…
/r/seduction11/05/11 04:03 AM
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The loops on your jeans.
/r/seduction10/05/11 05:43 AM
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True. I do that a lot. But the belt loops are very sexually suggestive. Try it now. Especially if it's the ones above your crotch. Now imagine doing that to a girl while you're qualifying her. powerful shit.
/r/seduction10/05/11 05:22 AM
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Okay let's examine this carefully: smile a lot [but not too much, preferably only in the beginning], laugh at her jokes [only if they're good], eye contact (esp when smiling), be considerate and chivalrous [when she deserves it, and only very carefully] , and little touches on the shoulder or arm. :) That's a good way to get started :) The question posed was: things that get girls horny. Chivalry doesn't get a girl horny unless you're coming from a place of higher value. Smiling is good to get r…
/r/seduction09/05/11 07:06 PM
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I recommend tucking your thumbs in your pockets and expanding your chest. Not to nitpick, but most BL guides list that as a gesture of unwilling submission. Try sticking it in your belt loops instead, this is a very dominant gesture. This will expand your chest and move your pelvis out as well - it's more sexually aggressive. It also helps if you stand asymmetrically. Remember thumbs signify dominance. Source: The toastmasters BL guide linked on seddit a little while ago.
/r/seduction09/05/11 06:27 PM
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Nailed it.
/r/seduction05/05/11 06:02 PM
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No FR required there.
/r/seduction02/05/11 03:42 PM
2

Anything can be interesting if you can present it in an interesting way. As long you're passionate and talk well - go for it!
/r/seduction01/05/11 01:50 AM
4

Seddit, I think we've been friendzoned by patheticsex.
/r/seduction29/04/11 03:28 PM
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You're missing the point.
/r/seduction24/04/11 06:09 PM
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I'll just leave this here.
/r/seduction24/04/11 05:54 PM
3

From what you write, I think a lair might help you.
/r/seduction23/04/11 11:16 PM
2

Like a boss.
/r/seduction23/04/11 09:01 PM
1

I used it in Tuesday night for the first time. What better day to use it?
/r/seduction23/04/11 02:18 AM
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Finally! They're on Hulu! No more crappy Canadian TV rips and youtube video hunting! Thanks for sharing! Also, watch Cajun on it. The man has some great game.
/r/seduction23/04/11 01:26 AM
1

Wow. It sounds like you're missing a core understanding of the meaning of non reactive, high energy, etc. we're supposed to be high energy individuals but we're not supposed to be non-reactive, as well Non reactive - not non proactive. Imagine you're on pot and cocaine at the same time. Be laid back, relaxed and react with delay. But also have reserves of energy and passion that you can draw from at will. non reactive means not letting things faze you. She's being annoying, it doesn't bother you…
/r/seduction17/04/11 05:05 PM
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I don't think most of the people giving advice here on being alpha even know what it is. Accept all advice. Choose what you implement carefully.
/r/seduction16/04/11 07:52 PM
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No, really. We get one of you every other day. And it's the normal reaction for anyone who just discovered the seduction community. Read this about why most feminists like us. Besides getting tired of explaining how "we are not all like this" and that the terminology is just a means to an end, we really have no reason to justify anything to you. And FWIW does "F closing a challenge girl" convey any less meaning than "I had sex with a girl who I would consider a challenge to attract?" while being…
/r/seduction14/04/11 10:31 PM
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Please leave.
/r/seduction14/04/11 09:43 PM
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Reddit Enhancement Suite. Better comment reading, and you can turn off subreddit style.
/r/seduction14/04/11 08:29 PM
1

Stop worrying. Take your phone and put it in their hand. Text them after.
/r/seduction14/04/11 04:52 PM
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I think this is an example of how natural pick up can be, instead of how you got gamed. You may just be reading too much into this. Pick up intends for you to attract the girl in the most natural seeming manner while being self aware of your actions and minimizing any negative tendencies for your action. You may think this is him using MM on you, but to him (and other naturals) this may be a normal method of interactions.
/r/seduction13/04/11 01:35 AM
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Just two that I check regularly. I get most of my info from seddit and my lair. I've stopped reading much, though, and I'm spending time practicing. Roissy Not for everyone. But a good perspective Jeremy Soul
/r/seduction09/04/11 11:37 PM
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Nailed it. It's great to have passions, but if you can't communicate them and their importance to you effectively, you won't build attraction. It's been said a million times before: attracting girls is not what what you say but how you say it and how you frame it.
/r/seduction09/04/11 04:19 PM
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STOP READING AND GO PRACTICE. Put in 10 hours in field for every hour that you spend reading. Read classical PUA theory. Go out in field everyday Read as many Field Reports as possible. Obtain as many female friends as possible. Be the one that puts them in the friend zone. Start making approaches again. Eliminate AA from ever holding me back. Become numb to rejection. Get number-getting techniques down solid. It's not that hard. Just hand them your phone and ask them for the number. Go out on ~…
/r/seduction08/04/11 05:17 PM
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If you find your soulmate in a relationship with someone else, wouldn't you try to give it a shot? /cliche If it bothers you, don't do it.
/r/seduction08/04/11 03:50 PM
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There's no line. Because it's like this: Pushover | Confident man | Asshole Strive for the middle ground.
/r/seduction08/04/11 03:42 PM
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Thank God I'm not the only one. The last few posts I've written seem to deal with calling people out for bad seddiquette. Hell of the last 4 self posts I've written/submitted, 3 are calls for better seddiquette. Come on guys, don't downvote things you disagree with that others might find useful. I remember a post from a gay guy who was giving us advice about IOIs. The self post that he wrote was downvoted (and garnered maybe 2 upvotes) while a post linking to the original reddit post written by …
/r/seduction06/04/11 06:13 AM
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Lol yeah. You're on a seduction subreddit, I kind of had to call you out on not being confident in your work (or at least sounding like it).
/r/seduction06/04/11 02:26 AM
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Time to get ripped to shreds by redditors Haven't seen the site yet, but for pete's sake, be proud of what you've done.
/r/seduction06/04/11 02:01 AM
1

I think the first reply I typed out got lost - Haha, I'm from Bangalore too. Don't worry about your accent, it is better to speak confidently and authoritatively. Speak with rhythm and vary your tonality to add emphasis. (Look for a PUA called Magic online, his accent is terrible, but he's got a very confident way of speaking). A good trick is to lower your pitch when gradually as you end the sentence. Start with a normal, or slightly higher than normal pitch, and lower it as you end the sentenc…
/r/seduction05/04/11 04:04 PM
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LMAO, I'm from Bangalore too, although I live in the US now. If you live in Bangalore, don't worry about neutralizing it. Learn how to enunciate and project vocally. Speaking with confidence and charisma with good english is better than speaking with a neutral accent. In fact having a characteristic way to speak is awesome and girls find it hot. Learn to speak with a rhythm instead of speaking phonetically (the way most people tend to in India, Indian langauges are phonetic, English is rhythmic)…
/r/seduction05/04/11 03:59 PM
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Where are you from? I'm great with accents, but singing accents are way harder. I'm guessing Indian or south asian?
/r/seduction05/04/11 06:30 AM
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My bad, that's what Luke said, I forgot the second thing, it's not arousal, it's logistics. His game is VERY similar to yours actually, super sexual social proof based. Plausible deniability is something I should work on. I'm not pushy enough when it comes to try pulling girls home. I escalate aggressively in field, and don't push hard enough for the close allowing the girl an easy way out for her "I don't want to be a slut side" :( Project for this weekend...
/r/seduction05/04/11 06:01 AM
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Good job using plausible deniability. But I think in this case it was unnecessary for the most part, I may be wrong, because I don't know the circumstances. I don't see why just escalating at the kitchen table wouldn't have worked. Case in point: Girl from entourage which means: preselection + propinquity + lots of comfort + attraction already established She already came to meet you. In other words, if you told her to meet you near your place and asked her to just come I don't think the outcome…
/r/seduction05/04/11 05:49 AM
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Thanks!
/r/seduction04/04/11 03:59 AM
1

Leave outcome dependance at the door. It's a failure only if you don't learn anything.
/r/seduction04/04/11 02:19 AM
1

Your post definitely reached the people it needed to reach. It got 100 + upvotes, which is rare on seddit. Regardless of the people who freak out when told that their fashion sucks and how they don't need to fix it, your contribution was invaluable. You should see the stupid comments I get when I write stuff for seddit.
/r/seduction04/04/11 02:12 AM
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Misread your comment, your first sentence is confusing. My bad. Original commenter said: overpriced retailer such as H & M
/r/seduction04/04/11 02:06 AM
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Troll?
/r/seduction04/04/11 12:10 AM
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I posted this link to accompany this, but I think this will be far more useful if more people on the front page saw this.
/r/seduction03/04/11 11:18 PM
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Well. This is a guide how not to fuck up when the girl wants to get with you already. Your SO assumes that the girl already likes the guy. This is why only advice from self aware girls are valuable in this subreddit.
/r/seduction03/04/11 10:55 PM
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Well put. You want to have the good qualities that assholes have and leave the bad ones behind.
/r/seduction03/04/11 10:49 PM
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Okay. You're missing the point. Instead of being an asshole, try being playful and challenging. You're trying to communicate high value, confidence and self esteem to people. Try teasing people, men and women alike. Hold your head high and stop giving a fuck what people think, and people will be attracted to you.
/r/seduction03/04/11 10:48 PM
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Confidence. Security. Being a challenge to women. You can have those qualities without being an asshole.
/r/seduction03/04/11 10:46 PM
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Correction: it was a week. My bad.
/r/seduction03/04/11 10:43 PM
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Also, here's a relevant article on state control
/r/seduction03/04/11 06:00 PM
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Holy Shit. Boots tucked in looks TERRIBLE unless you know EXACTLY what you're doing. It's horrible advice to give anyone who is trying to fix their fashion. Upvote for Desert Boots. I LOVE my old DBs and I intend to pick up a new pair soon. These are GREAT for summer wear and SO COMFY.
/r/seduction03/04/11 05:49 PM
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I think you're going a bit overboard here. Band T shirts can be tasteful and can often be a good way to add flair to an outfit. It's not my style, but I've seen some guys pull it off effortlessly. I think the rule of thumb should be: no more than two or three colors, no loud graphics. A black T with a white logo, like this. If you're a guy in your early 20s, have some fun with your look but OWN it. Regardless, H&M doesn't exactly make the best quality stuff (in terms of how long it lasts), even …
/r/seduction03/04/11 05:39 PM
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LOL at H&M being an overpriced retailer. T shirts for 7 bucks, button ups for 15-25, jeans for 20-30. Not exactly sure what you can find for cheaper outside a thrift store. And that's not on sale.
/r/seduction03/04/11 05:27 PM
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Zara. H&M. Banana Republic fitted Vee.
/r/seduction03/04/11 05:25 PM
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Express is great, I own a lot of their 1MX shirts, but the fabric is not ideal for hot climates. If you have an H&M nearby or can buy cotton shirts from Lands End Canvas (online) do it. You'll thank me. Jos A. Bank Fabric is good, fit is disgusting. This caters to a Wearing a wool suit is fucking miserable Suits all the time? I love blazers, and I live in Texas, can't do that in the summer. Considerer linen (which gives a wrinkles casual look). They also make tropical wool suits. It's fucking am…
/r/seduction03/04/11 05:23 PM
1

Read the guide. Don't dismiss it.
/r/seduction03/04/11 05:17 PM
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I remember reading a study saying that there exactly the same amount of bacteria after a week as there is after a year of daily wear on jeans. Regardless, I go months without washing my dark wash selvedge jeans, smells fine and looks even better.
/r/seduction03/04/11 05:13 PM
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IMO Dressing congruently is the same thing as dressing well. Semantics. This post and the one it addresses originally are arguing the same point. Essentially, you can buy an armani suit, but you need to own the clothes and not let the clothes own you. I believe: Get clothes that fit well - both your lifestyle and your body. The other post gives you a good place to start, and essentially tells you how to dress like a grown up.
/r/seduction03/04/11 09:26 AM
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Girls are incredibly compliant if you have attraction. Just make sure you're firm and lead the way. Say "come with me", and grab her by the hand and walk. Don't look for a response. Just lead.
/r/seduction28/03/11 02:26 AM
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If she outright asks for you to buy her ticket, that bodes terribly for any potential hook-up. It means you're already going as friends, you just don't know it yet. Or she's assuming the relationship is far more serious/advanced than OP wants it to be? Girls don't expect you to pay if you're friendzoned unless she's a playette/user. They expect you to pay if she considers you dating material. As OP said: im 17 me and this girl have been dating for a few weeks now
/r/seduction27/03/11 10:54 PM
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The terminology of mystery method, yes. Not a lot of people on seddit use routines based pickup though. It's universally reviled despite being hella effective.
/r/seduction23/03/11 04:23 AM
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Okay. So, what you're saying is... you're not overly intelligent? Joking aside, I don't mean to harp on this, but it's not all silly tricks and tactics. In fact, if you're in the right emotional state, everything that sounds silly now will induce certain responses that you NEVER thought you'd do. You know how your one friend bitches about how she always seems to date assholes? At a logical level she doesn't want to be treated like shit. At an emotional level, she can't help herself. These tactic…
/r/seduction23/03/11 04:19 AM
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Opinion without understanding is meaningless. You don't know what pick up is, do you?
/r/seduction23/03/11 12:09 AM
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Nailed it!
/r/seduction22/03/11 08:09 PM
1

Don't worry about it too much. Just send out brief statements/questions/commands.
/r/seduction22/03/11 08:00 PM
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Awesome TL;DR.
/r/seduction22/03/11 07:59 PM
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Noted. Since you want to get into this, how do you know OP has not made this up or wrote his FR with a bit of bias? How do you know he is any good? I don't, but the advice is solid (if rehashed) pua advice. Being able to separate the chaff from the grain is vital to getting better at pick up. Just pointing out that stupid advice and useless comments get upvoted by inexperienced sedditors (?). My original message stands - if you don't think it would work and you don't try it and someone field tes…
/r/seduction22/03/11 07:50 PM
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There was enough attraction from the HB9 for him to pull it off. The key to this is calibration. You can't expect a repayment for nice things you do to people If you use this tactic with that frame of mind, you're not going to get anywhere. You're not gonna come across as a jerk if you do it playfully.
/r/seduction22/03/11 04:54 PM
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Hate to break it to you, but seduction is an exchange of value. The girl is asserting control over him, ad changing her shit test to your compliance test is something that builds massive attraction and respect. As long as you don't get too hung up on it and make the girl feel bad for asking. There's a line between being playfully challenging and being a dick, the OP is safely in the former area.
/r/seduction22/03/11 04:40 PM
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Word.
/r/seduction22/03/11 04:30 PM
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Welcome to seddit. If you met one of us in person actually doing this to you.... you'd be madly in love with us.
/r/seduction22/03/11 04:30 PM
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This is classic prize-ability (Swinggcat) and this works on everyone, not just girls. Women love being challenged, and so do men. If you want to get into a challenging mindset, start playfully compliance testing everyone. It's attractive and fun. Your friends do that to you all the time and you never notice. "What's in it for me?" is a very alpha frame and it's a great one to have or try to incorporate if you're a newbie. Granted, OP's challenge (asking for the kiss) for opening the door won't w…
/r/seduction22/03/11 04:28 PM
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It's shit like this that annoys me about seddit. This statement has absolutely no basis in pick up theory and then gets upvoted. I use this challenging mindset ALL the time, and it works on all ages and on both women and men (especially if you're AMOGing). Women love a challenge. The AFC won't challenge their requests and shit tests. The strong confident man won't take shit tests easily, or bend to their whims. Granted OP's compliance testing is based on attraction already being there, but that'…
/r/seduction22/03/11 04:19 PM
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He was the asian guy from that episode. Almost didn't recognize him. Found the video. The transformation is stark. I met him last year, and then saw the video and I couldn't believe they were the same guy. I'm amazed. I'd like to think that my transformation would be mindblowing when I finally get there.
/r/seduction22/03/11 05:49 AM
1

What's BA FC?
/r/seduction21/03/11 06:08 PM
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vis-a-vis FTFY /spelling nazi All valid points. Can't believe I missed the show.
/r/seduction21/03/11 06:06 PM
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I've met him, he's a tiny badass, even if he wears like 3" platform boots and has a massive mohawk. He was on the Love Systems Dr. Phil episode back in the day, if someone can dig it up and you can just see the transformation.
/r/seduction21/03/11 05:15 PM
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It's one of the most useful things I've found on the internets. BL is one of my favorite parts of pick up, if you have any other resources, please share.
/r/seduction21/03/11 05:04 PM
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Before anyone yells 'best of' or 'sidebar', it's already been submitted and in the new to seddit post. There are a lot of resources there, as well as in the comments of the original post. But, thanks for bringing it up again. This stuff is gold and everyone should read it.
/r/seduction21/03/11 08:29 AM
1

Nice!! FR?
/r/seduction20/03/11 07:21 PM
1

Assume IOIs and proceed. You shouldn't be looking for IOIs, anyway, especially in front of her/your parents, just absence of IODs.
/r/seduction20/03/11 06:13 PM
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I would say be laid back, and don't give her too much attention. I think you should make the experience fun for her more than anything. Try not to use overt DHVs stories, your parents can do that if you want. There's a lot to be said about negs, and routines, but they're primarily good for club game, anywhere else, you'd probably not be helping or hurting yourself. (Neg =/= teasing, feel free to tease her) Do her parents and your parents know each other? If not, it's an IOI. There's much to be s…
/r/seduction19/03/11 11:51 PM
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What do you mean by applying game? Do you mean routines and peacocking? Or displaying confidence, dominance and value? Because one is long term attractive behavior and the other is short term. Ideally the pick up persona and your identity need to be congruent. I'd say don't be weird. Oh and we don't know what your regular self is. So... most advice we give would be useless.
/r/seduction19/03/11 06:33 PM
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Jason Savage is the real deal. Check out his website.His writing has a lot of clarity and presents a very refreshing point of view about seduction. One of the few community guys who doesn't have a product and is only interested in seduction and nothing else, and has given more to the community than anyone else IMO. He gives a talk about how seduction and pick up are different, etc (social vs. seductive vs. sexual).
/r/seduction18/03/11 08:22 AM
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A lot of people fail to understand that a lot of his game was to help people who could already pick up 7s and 8s pick up 9s and 10s. It's extremely night game heavy and it's VERY routines based and not very natural. Every guy studying MM goes through this progression Learn how to open > Open a lot, but not hook > Open hook with routines > Try to learn attraction routines > Fail miserably at this > Hate on routines Here's where a LOT of guys quit and assume MM doesn't work. They don't realize (an…
/r/seduction15/03/11 07:39 PM
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She sounds bitter. All her arguments are bitter and accusatory deflections that attempt to back you into a corner and make you qualify yourself. Case in point: I take it you like being lied to? Why do you hate gender equality? Is that what you really mean to say? Fuck that. This struck a chord in me: Once you're aware of the dynamic at work, choosing to work within it becomes your choice. Last halloween, a girl I met in a bar told me up front, "I'm not playing the game." Out of the blue. At whic…
/r/seduction12/03/11 01:50 AM
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Just read it, and it mildly annoyed me. Linear thinking. Their logic is: Reddit male knows everything about everything The average reddit male is forever alone Therefore it's not his fault, it's the womans fault. Similarly, Assholes get women Nice guys don't get women Therefore: to get women, one must become an asshole. If you've read the 15 minute orgasm chapter in the 4 Hour Body, Tim Ferriss makes a similar point about male logic. Also, reddit is a safe place where being forever alone is acce…
/r/seduction12/03/11 01:02 AM
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You should read the blog, it's great for cold reading!
/r/seduction12/03/11 12:35 AM
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Read this: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/05/28/101-being-offended/
/r/seduction12/03/11 12:29 AM
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Well, only half kidding. It's kind of a stupid opener, but if you framed it right.... maybe, who knows? Calibrate! Calibrate! Calibrate!
/r/seduction12/03/11 12:09 AM
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As long as your delivery is fine.
/r/seduction11/03/11 09:19 PM
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Some points: if you read the comments, she says this: I said from the beginning that I was not going to have sex with this guy. It's my own fault for taking him home, but he said he'd lost his key and didn't have anywhere to stay so I let him sleep on my couch. I would have kissed him or done other stuff but he didn't put any moves on me at all. He didn't even touch me once. Just begged to let him sleep in my bed. I wasn't going to let a stranger sleep in my bed - that's stupid and dangerous if …
/r/seduction10/03/11 04:59 PM
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Buying temperature FTW.
/r/seduction10/03/11 04:36 PM
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It's my own fault for taking him home, but he said he'd lost his key and didn't have anywhere to stay so I let him sleep on my couch. This. Changes. Everything. Should've mentioned this.
/r/seduction09/03/11 11:37 PM
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Oops. My bad. I meant to say what I corrected it to. My rule of thumb: If she says no when not turned, she may say yes if you turn her on. So, if she says no sex first, turn her on. Then ask if you should grab a condom. If she says no, then back off. Especially if it's a one night stand. In any case you both had fun. Yay.
/r/seduction09/03/11 11:35 PM
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Or maybe she just wants some making out or heavy petting. Maybe even just giving him a BJ.
/r/seduction09/03/11 10:57 PM
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Women want to be seduced. If you're not turning her on enough, not leading her to sex, you're not discharging your duty as a man. your own lack of assertiveness and literally having no clue as to what you really want after taking a guy home is pretty pathetic It's not her place to be leading. She didn't want sex any more, why would she be leading him to sex. She would be open to the idea had he turned her on. which he didn't do.
/r/seduction09/03/11 10:52 PM
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Holy shit, it amazes me how many of these guys. just. don't. get it. I can't believe how angry some guys are right now with the OP.
/r/seduction09/03/11 10:51 PM
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Why is she hypocritical? She wants to be seduced. He didn't do it, and killed whatever attraction existed by begging. He's not getting any. Plain and simple. She wasn't attracted enough. I took two things away: if she takes you home and tells you no, it's ASD. The onus is on you as the man, the leader to take the initiative. You're the man, it's your job to lead her to sex, not wait for her to lead you. Also, don't beg for sex. Don't change their mind, change how they feel. About women can teach…
/r/seduction09/03/11 10:46 PM
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Sit up straight, take your time to answer, speak slowly. Strong eye contact, firm handshake. Smile in the beginning, no need to keep it plastered throughout your interaction. Be relaxed and fluid, but not stiff. Don't move too much. Lean in to convey excitement.
/r/seduction09/03/11 08:13 PM
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You bring up a couple of good points. First, No doesn't always mean no, it means not yet. Women need to be turned on before they want sex. It's our job if we want to have sex with women to turn them on and take them to the point of no return. They want to have sex, but they need to feel the chemistry and attraction. If a girl says no, just gently keep pushing (don't be rough, calibration is key). Second, Begging is pathetic. An attractive, confident man would keep escalating till he hits the wal…
/r/seduction09/03/11 07:13 PM
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HA. Wow. Was she sober when you met her?
/r/seduction08/03/11 01:43 AM
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Actually, I'd like to know this: but was blown away by what she was wearing when we met up
/r/seduction08/03/11 01:24 AM
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You're on a seduction forum asking if being a douche works. Nope. It doesn't. There are douches who get laid and douches who don't. It's confirmation bias that you'd assume that being a douche would work. We get people asking that sort of question every week. Also, questions are answered in r/AskSeddit. Back to your points: "Treat others as you wish to be treated" The golden rule. I only treat women how I want them to treat me. And how I would treat them if we were to date or more. Nope. Treat p…
/r/seduction07/03/11 11:37 PM
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You should've let them be your wingwomen. Girls sometimes respond well to that... They probably think it's cute and all that..
/r/seduction07/03/11 07:48 PM
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Define Nice Guy Define Douche You're going about this wrong. You need to stop being a pushover and start being a man. Not a douche. A man. A real man. Not that many of these any more. Choose the attractive characteristics of who you consider a douche and acquire them, and add to them the qualities of a real man - Confidence Authenticity Assertiveness Sexuality Abundance Self Esteem Social Intelligence No one likes a man who doesn't stand up for himself. No one likes to see a man who puts the pus…
/r/seduction07/03/11 07:42 PM
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On a serious note, it's disappointing to see some people spending more time defending their masturbation habits than say... posting feedback to an FR, writing their own FR's, sharing techniques or advice, defending the community from people who call us all douchebags, organizing nights out with other sedditors... Possibly because it's something they're more familiar with?
/r/seduction07/03/11 04:05 PM
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In short: Cycling IOIs and IODs either verbally or physically. "You're cute, <pause> too bad you're such a dork." or even "You're so high maintenance, we would never get along", pull her in to you. Push her away then pull her towards you playfully, verbally or physically. Your frame is is: I'm playing with you, let's dance Google it. There's a lot of info. Read the sidebar.
/r/seduction07/03/11 05:35 AM
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LMAO. You got me.
/r/seduction07/03/11 04:56 AM
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Never give away anything for free. Learn how to play hard to get. You don't want to be the one who gives a girl a bad rejection though because it looks bad for other girls. Be super polite about it, but don't lead them on. Make it clear you're not interested, but you can use her for social proof/ preselection as a fun guy. Hell you can tell her you're down to help her snag other guys, if she'll help you snag girls.
/r/seduction07/03/11 04:55 AM
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Calibrate. Learn how to generate rapport before you try to learn how to generate attraction. Sounds like you don't really know how to neg, r understand what a neg is. Learn how to tease and negging will follow. Its not that she's prude, it's that you're not hitting the right buttons.
/r/seduction07/03/11 04:48 AM
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Watch Spread. And I posted earlier about The Tourist
/r/seduction07/03/11 04:16 AM
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The Science of Sex Appeal has some footage...
/r/seduction05/03/11 02:42 PM
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I wish I could claim credit. I heard it from Vercetti yesterday at an inner game talk.
/r/seduction04/03/11 09:43 PM
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Good logistical decision.
/r/seduction04/03/11 06:43 PM
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Some gurus advocate telling yourself, "I'm enough." I want to take it a step further. Tell yourself, "I'm fucking awesome." Self affirmations without action leads to delusion. To become awesome, be the awesome person.
/r/seduction04/03/11 05:45 PM
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You only come across as a creep if you're worried as a creep. Not being congruent with escalating the interaction as a result of worrying about being creepy can show in your body language, and women can pick up on that. Girls are far more communicative via touch, you're not invading their space. Also, all the Spaniards and Italians I know are very 'hands on' with women. You'll be fine in Madrid. A non verbal rejection never comes off as badly as you would think it would. Be handsy with EVERYONE.…
/r/seduction03/03/11 09:58 PM
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You missed the window. But you can shamelessly send her a text once a month to gauge interest if you wish. I'd suggest an invite text. "The boys are heading to <event>, you can come if you promise to behave"
/r/seduction03/03/11 08:39 PM
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I read everything you write in Will Ferrell's voice...
/r/seduction03/03/11 08:36 PM
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/r/seduction03/03/11 07:56 PM
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Makes you feel like a baller doesn't it? Remember the frame with a direct approach is: I think you're cute, but I want to find out more about you. I'm curious about you.
/r/seduction03/03/11 05:42 PM
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I'm just referring to commonalities. You can be interesting and passionate and not have anything in common with a girl, and still have her want you.
/r/seduction03/03/11 02:50 PM
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I was drunk in a bar in New Orleans (not Bourbon St., a local bar) , and I opened a girl who was giving me approach invites. I decide to go direct, with a compliment. I thought I was being sexy, so I made steady (?) eye contact and placed my hands on her hips as I was talking to her, and would pull her to me ( sober, or buzzed, this would've been smooth, but I'm pretty sure this was too aggressive when I was drunk). She informed me that she was married and that she wouldn't talk to me unless I t…
/r/seduction02/03/11 05:00 PM
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Attaboy!
/r/seduction02/03/11 04:06 AM
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Yeah tell her that you have better options now, and you've found some self respect. And avoid her calls. Cut out the negative influence.
/r/seduction02/03/11 02:58 AM
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Great idea. But keeping a conversation isn't attractive. Leading a conversation is.
/r/seduction01/03/11 06:35 PM
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"What's in it for me?" Always make them work for it, in a playful way. "Hey, can you take a picture?" Take picture of yourself. Hand back camera, deadpan. Tease all the girls. Tell them they're using hollywood smiles. "What's that?" Make up pop sci bullshit to hook them. Then tell them that you made it all up. Tease them for believing anything.
/r/seduction01/03/11 04:24 AM
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(a solid HB8) I'd say a HB6.5, definitely more cute as opposed to hot.. Stop worrying about what the girls would be rated, especially with daytime approaches. As long as you're having fun and talking to women that you want to talk to, nothing else should matter. Also, you're at UT (I'm assuming) and an undergrad. Just put yourself out there, join clubs and try to leverage hanging out with the two girls who showed interest with you. Make friends with people in your classes. Don't sweat it and jus…
/r/seduction01/03/11 04:21 AM
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I believe the context (read: calibration) is what is important... Truth. This line applies for 90% of all pick up knowledge.
/r/seduction01/03/11 04:13 AM
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I do, but not very often. It's the way and when I say it that's important. I use it with confident tonality, not apologetically. Among Gurus, Jeremy Soul (Love Systems) uses it for day game, with direct opening. His game is very polite and natural, yet dominant and confident. Check out youtube videos of him in field, it's really quite good. AFC Adam encourages it when opening with a compliment or a question (like asking for directions). The rationale is that you disarm the person with it. Most g…
/r/seduction01/03/11 04:12 AM
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ref. OP's submitted posts?
/r/seduction28/02/11 07:04 PM
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Nope, he was a suitor who got turned into a nice guy friend.
/r/seduction28/02/11 07:03 PM
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No. Wrong. Try and get her to go out of her way and do things for you as much as possible. This adds to how invested the girl feels towards you. Never say no to her doing something for you. Not to the point of annoying her, or turning her off. Like the buying drinks bit, let social intelligence dictate it.
/r/seduction28/02/11 07:02 PM
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She did sound snotty and "entitled" right from the start: He obviously wanted to lean over and kiss me when I dropped him off at this place at 4 a.m., but he had done such a painfully terrible job throughout the entire night that I couldn’t allow it to happen. Whoa, the male isn't entitled to a kiss either. She rejected the kiss because there was no attraction. She clearly explains that she wanted to be attracted to him, but she lost whatever little attraction she had. Sure, we could use some fe…
/r/seduction28/02/11 06:59 PM
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It's a shame that so many AFCs are frustrated with putting in the work to get better with women and lash out at a woman who seems self aware of the ways women judge guys. It's like they are angry with you for judging men the way most women judge men. Please don't stop contributing. The people who are most likely to gain anything from you are genuinely dedicated to learning seduction and are motivated by their love for women.
/r/seduction28/02/11 06:49 PM
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but i didn't recognize a lot of the names as regular contributors. I've been keeping up with it and I didn't recognize most people.
/r/seduction28/02/11 08:31 AM
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Well put. It was really frightening to see the anger towards women that we saw today. The submitter had nothing to gain from her (mostly well written, especially from a woman) post, she was only trying to help. It sucks that so many sedditors don't even try to look at her side of the thing. After all a lot of seduction involves listening to what a woman's trying to tell you, verbally or non verbally and reacting optimally to it.
/r/seduction28/02/11 08:22 AM
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It's funny, most guys who get good at this try to keep an open mind with anything seduction related. For these guys the realization hits sooner or later about what's right and what's part of the circle jerk. Most guys who have just started reading seduction material and are less than 2-4 months into it tend to struggle with the mindsets and concepts and tend to think that they completely understand everything. It's always nice to find a girl who can be as analytical or open minded as you are wit…
/r/seduction28/02/11 07:20 AM
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Have you read an FR or LR?
/r/seduction28/02/11 01:59 AM
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Depends on if it's a date, or hanging out. It sounds like the OP and the guy were just hanging out at a bar, not on a date.
/r/seduction28/02/11 01:56 AM
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Question: What if he's not drinking? I go out a lot, and usually stay sober if I'm trying to meet women.
/r/seduction28/02/11 01:55 AM
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Social intelligence > Blanket statements and rules. Knowing when to buy drinks for a girl > not buying them drinks at all
/r/seduction28/02/11 01:52 AM
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if a girl says "I love psychology!" and doesn't immediately follow up with her Myers-Briggs score or some other fashion magazine pseudoscience rubbish, then there's a 100% chance she looks like Susan Boyle's uglier sister Truth. Happened 2 weeks ago.
/r/seduction28/02/11 01:41 AM
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Second, why wouldn't she rationalize it that way to a friend? Seriously, in what context would she ever be positive about it? It was a random hookup, that's just how they work; even if she wasn't drunk, even if you were fuckin awesome about it, even if you actually had sex and she really liked you, she'd still say that shit. So don't pay any attention to how she describes it to her friends. And definitely don't ask her yourself- she'll say the same shit to you. Well said.
/r/seduction28/02/11 12:17 AM
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Love your last line. Using it here
/r/seduction27/02/11 11:53 PM
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It's helpful, but having little in common isn't a big deal if you're looking for short term relationships or flings. Attraction has nothing to do with it Chemistry.
/r/seduction27/02/11 11:47 PM
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On the other hand it's nice to have a girl who's analyzing her lack of attraction to an outwardly perfect mate. I'd be down, I get feedback from every girl I date/sleep with anyway. I wish half of them were as analytical as this.
/r/seduction27/02/11 11:43 PM
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This is awesome advice. Saved.
/r/seduction27/02/11 11:33 PM
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I don't know why you're getting downvoted so much. This makes perfect sense, especially if you're willing to reciprocate. The problem is when guys can't distinguish between receiving attention/interest and making a connection with the girl. You're at a bar, you're getting a drink. It's polite and social to offer it to whoever you're standing at a bar with be it your wing, your good friend, or someone who you're formed a connection with. Enough girls offer me drinks (which I rarely accept) even 5…
/r/seduction27/02/11 11:25 PM
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Not an FR. This is a question for Ask Seddit.
/r/seduction27/02/11 08:11 AM
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True. It's a nice reframe to consider the strippers your customers.
/r/seduction26/02/11 06:56 PM
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We check on our customers, the girls check on us, we sit chill and talk when girls approach. Your customers?
/r/seduction25/02/11 10:17 PM
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Read the sidebar. Post questions in AskSeddit. There are no lines/conversations that would lead to a hook up. There's general self improvement through the implementation of the strategies that we practice. It takes work and lots of it, but it's worth it. The FAQ says that we're not going to help you with 'this one girl'.
/r/seduction23/02/11 02:35 AM
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are very picky about guys touching their hair That's not true at all. You can play with her hair within the first 5 minutes of making your intent known, especially if you're using playful kino. Girls love it when you do it right, especially if you grab the hair in the back of their neck firmly.
/r/seduction23/02/11 01:36 AM
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You should have DHVed before you used the disqualifier. Then run push pull and the cube routine. I guess a DNA close is better than nothing.
/r/seduction22/02/11 08:31 PM
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Man up and set the tone of the relationship right in the beginning. Tell her this is what you want, and she can take it or leave it. Don't fall into her frame just because she's hot. True abundance comes from willingness to walk away and treating a hot girl just as well as you treat an average one.
/r/seduction22/02/11 04:59 PM
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This is meant to be constructive, I hope you take it that way. I meet up with her and she tells me to figure out what we're going to do, since I was never too specific. You invited her. That's your job. You should be taking the lead and coming up with something to do. your invitation text should be something like, "I'm going to X to do Y, you can come if you promise to behave" So I throw the idea of drinking around a firepit or hitting up my buddies place. You expected her to show up alone and g…
/r/seduction22/02/11 01:24 AM
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Yeah. Now she's super into him and can't stop thinking about him. Except he ditched her, get rid of her jacket (which she probably trusted him with) and was an asshole to her, and decided his ego was more important. Now yet another girl who has a poor opinion of men and will cockblock any guy who tried to go home with her friend. You don't have to be rude and disrespectful to overcompensate.
/r/seduction21/02/11 11:16 PM
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What? You couldn't wait one minute? Jesus. Maybe she wanted to ask her friend for a condom. Maybe she left her phone inside. Maybe she left her car keys. Maybe she was too embarrassed to tell you. It's scary as fuck for a girl to leave with a guy she just met, considering the fact that you built little rapport with her. No one is there, which is good because I don't want anyone to catch me caring if she's there or not. It shouldn't matter what others think. Stay if you want to stay, leave if you…
/r/seduction21/02/11 09:25 PM
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Great idea!! You're subcommunicating a 'selector' frame, and that's what we try so hard to do anyway.
/r/seduction17/02/11 04:37 AM
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Also a great description of how we learn seduction and get better: During the first phase, known as the cognitive phase, we intellectualize the task and discover new strategies to accomplish it more proficiently. During the second, the associative phase, we concentrate less, making fewer major errors, and become more efficient. Finally we reach what Fitts and Posner called the autonomous phase, when we’re as good as we need to be at the task and we basically run on autopilot. Also: “There are no…
/r/seduction17/02/11 04:34 AM
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In neither of my conversations, either in your FR or this thread have you been willing to have a reasonable discourse. Why are you so confrontational? You're only completely willing to talk about one point of view. You can't take advice or different points of view, you're looking for people to stroke your ego and confirm what you're thinking. Standardized HB Scale won't work. Look at this: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-mathematics-of-beauty/ Why do you need to "circumvent" that simple wa…
/r/seduction15/02/11 10:00 PM
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Forget negging. It's not necessary until you're hitting on super hot girls with their egos pumped up. Learn teasing and push pull. Far more useful, and you'll pick up negging in the long term.
/r/seduction15/02/11 07:56 PM
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Let's say I'm in a bar full of really fucking ugly skanks. Then I find the least hideous one of them all, take her home, and next day tell Seddit about my glorious "sex marathon" with a HB10. Nothing wrong with that, right? Who gives a shit? Are you here to call them out or get better yourself? Plus: you have to game the hottest in a bar with only average women as an HB 8 or 9 because she is getting more attention and hence she thinks she's hotter than most. The only reason you even use the scal…
/r/seduction15/02/11 03:21 PM
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The HB Scale is meant for social value, not looks. A model in a bar full of cute girls would be 10, because she would have the attention of most men there but she would be a 6 or 7 in a bar full of super hot women. It's to do with presented appearance. Read the FAQ. That's why you're getting downvoted. And stop being prissy. If you couldn't tell most of seddit's post fall into: 'How can I do something that I'm completely overthinking?' and 'Look at me, I'm having sex with a girl through my mad s…
/r/seduction15/02/11 06:38 AM
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You're still in. Girls tend to be just as awkward as guys sometimes. Sounds like she might have panicked a little there, and walked away. The text was a way of reminding you that she's still into you.
/r/seduction14/02/11 01:04 AM
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You're reading too much. Stop reading and thinking and visualizing amazing interactions. It's mental masturbation. Now, go out and DO.
/r/seduction10/02/11 08:23 PM
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No, in "PUA", a routine is something you say or do because, based on previous experience, you expect it to positively affect the outcome of your approach. That's not the whole truth. But when people talk about internalizing routines, it means that they are able to apply the principles of why it works, not just the routines. Take cocky funny routines for example, the first few times you apply it, you have to do it from memory, applying the lines you learned. The more you do it, the more you come …
/r/seduction10/02/11 05:05 PM
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Then why do many many girls swarm when not given attention, while YOU say that you wouldn't waste your time? Because they have low self esteem and need validation. It's how GIRLS work. The whole process of seduction works that way. Read The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene. Also, I'm a guy, I don't work in the same way, if a guy won't deem his time valuable enough for me, he isn't worth mine. If the guy is famous or high value, it will throw me off that he's doing this. Look at Andy Warhol's pe…
/r/seduction10/02/11 03:34 AM
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I can't tell if you're a troll or not. Because this is a subreddit dedicated to seducing women.
/r/seduction09/02/11 10:02 PM
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I just want to start off as good as possible. Sure, when the time finally comes, I know I will fuck up, but taking the bootcamp will hopefully set a solid foundation. See, here's your problem again. You're afraid of fucking up. There's not growth in the comfort zone (I got that from DJ Fuji). your problems aren't going to get fixed in one weekend. It's marketing. It takes months of sustained practice What do you think these bootcamps and gurus do? They force you to approach. Fuji demands 10-15 a…
/r/seduction09/02/11 10:00 PM
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Unwillingness to use 'routines' just because that's what they are displays that you don't really understand the point of routines. Don't use other people's routines. Every time you tell the same story to different people you're using a routine. Consider this, a routine is just a means to get your brain to think in a certain way. The point of my comment is, be challenging. Women LOVE a challenging man, a man who plays hard to get. I'm trying to give you a mindset not a routine. It's the same with…
/r/seduction09/02/11 09:51 PM
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I would feel weird. But here's the thing: I wouldn't care. If he won't make an effort to treat me as an equal with anyone else in the group, I won't spend any of my time on him. I would assume that there are qualities in him that I don't admire. I'm not saying that you have these qualities, just that I would assume that. it's more like I respect them too much LOL How is that? Have you never had a conversation with a woman that you've enjoyed? What if the girls like being hit on (and I know they …
/r/seduction09/02/11 09:50 PM
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There are so many things wrong with this statement that I'm not even going to try.
/r/seduction09/02/11 09:44 PM
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Confidence = belief in one's skills and abilities in a situation Self Esteem = respect for one's self. A lot of confident people have low self respect. Consider PUAs and party girls, a large percent of them don't have self esteem issues, but no confidence issues. Dominant females tend to be that way too. These girls are, I promise, a bit upset (and I can understand) that someone does not acknowledge them This is a symptom of low self esteem - they seek validation from external means. I'm not dis…
/r/seduction09/02/11 09:34 PM
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I just don't want to mess up too bad in college. Everyone is connected in someway and the school is only so big after all. There's your problem. It's not high school, don't be afraid of fucking up. Go to as many parties as you can and go escalate on drunk girls. No one's going to remember in the morning. Plus you're in a school with 45000 kids or so. Are you really afraid that everyone will know that you fucked up? It's okay to fuck up. Your first priority should be to make friends with guys who…
/r/seduction09/02/11 07:15 PM
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I've said this to you before in another thread. You need to fail on your own before you start learning this stuff. Stop. Reading. Now. And fail a few times. Don't come back till you're 21. Everyone that I know who got into pick up early is all kinds of fucked up. Great at pickup. Can't hold a relationship, can't get laid more than once, is too suspicious of people's motives. Try and fail a few times before you resort to this. Most bootcamps will make you fail a bunch of times anyway. It's really…
/r/seduction09/02/11 07:13 PM
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Some where worried that I did not like them, some were puzzled by my actions, a few were upset You'll only attract those girls with low self esteem. This is similar to using negs to attract women. The ones who are comfortable in their own skin and have high self esteem won't care whether you like them or not.
/r/seduction09/02/11 07:00 PM
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Pretty soon one of them popped The Question: "do you like Vietnamese women?" :D Hah! This happens basically anywhere in Asia you go. "Do you like Japanese women?" "Do you like Korean women?".. Of course, they already know the answer - pretty much every single white guy in Asia likes Asian women, and luckily Asian women tend to like white guys, so it's a win-win! Yes, but it's validation seeking, and the more you make them work for it, the more attraction you will generate. If you're ever faced w…
/r/seduction09/02/11 04:48 PM
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Pro Tip: cover penis before approach. With pants.
/r/seduction08/02/11 06:02 AM
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Sorry man, sidebar says IMPORTANT: This is not AskSeddit. Only post field reports, links and FIELD-TESTED SELF-IMPROVEMENT/SEDUCTION STRATEGIES and METHODS! In any case, seems like she's into you. Go kiss her or go find other girls to holler at.
/r/seduction08/02/11 06:00 AM
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A boot camp is a bandaid. All it will do is get you approaching, and won't help your inner game. You might as well find a wing who's pretty decent of seddit or your local lair and pay him a 100 bucks to force you to approach. There's a better option for coaching. Some guys (DJ Fuji and Magic, both of whom I've met and say, from personal experience are the real deal) offer long term skype coaching. The difference between the two is DJ Fuji offers self improvement through qqa highly technical appr…
/r/seduction08/02/11 05:57 AM
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Well, I didn't read the other post because of the title, this one just seemed more appropriate for seddit. Also, TofuTofu posts frequently on Seddit and has street cred. Regardless, this is one of the best lists I've seen.
/r/seduction06/02/11 07:40 PM
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Not a whole lot, man, just banging girls and smelling like curry. You still trolling poorly?
/r/seduction05/02/11 08:46 AM
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I'll do you one better. I'm going out right now and field test that. Maybe I'm unconsciously doing it right, let's see how it goes.
/r/seduction05/02/11 04:26 AM
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Semantics :D Regardless, I model my 'tap' after what he does. From one of my earlier comments: I explain what I do. But it's more of a lingering touch than just a tap.
/r/seduction05/02/11 03:43 AM
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nadernik?
/r/seduction05/02/11 03:18 AM
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Not really. Watch this but just to 3:15 for the approaches, and what how he uses his proxemics well. More about his method at 4:15. You just really have to NOT be weird. You could give up the limiting belief and assume that if you don't think it's weird it's not going to be weird because you're imposing your frame on her. Self fulfilling prophecy. Remember, it's your world, everything happens for your amusement gives you the confidence to pull it off.
/r/seduction05/02/11 02:22 AM
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Good for you, and I'm glad you talked to a girl in public and didn't let rejection faze you. Don't worry about numbers. The numbers are indication of relative social value of the girl. Just go with "I was attracted to her so I went for it"
/r/seduction05/02/11 01:15 AM
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Maybe you were too reaction dependent. The key to saying shit like that is not taking it seriously, and not caring what she thought. If she objected to it then well, fuck, reframe it. Ask her if she's the type who can't take jokes, or if she just cant understand dark humor. Enough people are worried about being politically correct. Be yourself. But don't be a prick about it.
/r/seduction05/02/11 01:13 AM
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But you should try the lacy panties in the box thing.
/r/seduction03/02/11 10:36 PM
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Go out one night and look for wingwomen. That could be your opener. And just riff off that: "Hey, help me hit on women?" "What?" "Yeah, be my wingwoman!" "Um, Okay" "Just so you know, I'm a pretty awesome guy! Blah blah about me. I won't hit on you though. You seem pretty awesome, but you're totally not my type" "What?!! Why not?" "You're far too nosey/unhelpful/dorky. And you have cooties." "........." BAM Attraction. Watch her try to get with you. If not watch her try to help you get women. Pr…
/r/seduction03/02/11 10:36 PM
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Playing sneaky games instead of overall self improvement is not going to produce long term results. On the other hand, if you're going to be sneaky, I'd suggest getting a hot girl to drop a box off while giggling about it. You are surprised by it and you open it in front of your co workers. You find a box of candy and sexy pair of panties. You hide it pretending to be bashful. Co workers are impressed, word gets around the office.
/r/seduction03/02/11 07:09 PM
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Good advice. Two thoughts: A better mindset would be to not regret it. Instilling a mindset of abundance means not regretting anything, and not caring about rejection anyway. Don't approach because you'll regret not doing it. Approach because you want to, because you're awesome and because you can. But no matter what happens you won't regret it either way because you will always have another shot with another really beautiful girl. That's the worst title ever. How about: "A piece of advice: take…
/r/seduction03/02/11 07:00 PM
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This is a good start. But don't use it as a crutch. Learn to project strong eye contact with EVERYONE you meet. But you can fake it till you make it.
/r/seduction03/02/11 06:56 PM
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No, but there's a saying on the internet: don't feed the troll. I've done just that be even responding to you in the first place. The points you make are just inflammatory, and nothing would please you more than for me to dignify you responses with an answer. You're not adding to the discussion and you're not giving any advice. There's not one single reason to respond. I have nothing to prove to you or anyone on seddit, my advice can stand on its own merits. If I give you any examples of my appr…
/r/seduction02/02/11 08:43 PM
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Wow, you angry? Sounds like it's hard for you to believe that people of other races can get laid. You've attacked the Chinese guys in the other posts. Compensating?
/r/seduction02/02/11 08:04 PM
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You think it's something you can't overcome? I used to be chubby about 2 years ago, and I'm still over what I want to be but I'm working on it and I'm losing weight and I look much better now. Guess what? I didn't care and was consistently getting results. I'm surprised by how women don't give a fuck what I look like with my clothes off even now (think man boobs, love handles, and extra skin from being chubby). I won't be ripped but I'm still get compliments on how I look now. Fuck that shit, I'…
/r/seduction02/02/11 05:32 PM
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Thanks! That's a great article. Those 2 points explain why as a FOB, I tend to do better than my non FOB friends with admittedly better social calibration here.
/r/seduction02/02/11 05:12 PM
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Come on, guys, she's got good girl game, and we can learn a lot from it too. She hit the gym, took lessons to improve herself, learned about the lifestyle that attracts the type of man that she wanted. She played hard to get, made him wait for sex, and was interesting to him. The guy was probably sick of having hot 22 year olds who were interested in banging him for his money, and being too easy. I can see why he went for her. She didn't bang him right away, was unavailable to him, was mysteriou…
/r/seduction02/02/11 03:23 PM
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I'm not suggesting imitating the dialog, I'm suggesting using the frame that the actor or, in this case, the actress uses. Also, look at two lessons that you learn here: Women don't like being asked or being ordered. They like being lead. Women like men who don't really give a fuck what others think and do as they please. It's a horrible fucking movie, but there's enough to learn from these.
/r/seduction02/02/11 02:20 PM
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I think I just found a project for this weekend. I'm going to field test what you did, I haven't tried shock and awe since I got better at this. Also, I used the hand model line this weekend, and told her friend that she was too nerdy to be one, so she had to be a shoulder model. Works wonders!
/r/seduction02/02/11 03:53 AM
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Sounds like you just found Shock and Awe by Ciaran. Also ref. this.
/r/seduction02/02/11 03:47 AM
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I wish some of my brown friends would wake up to this advice. They don't like going to bars with lots of white people. They assume that because you're brown the girls don't want to be with you. they're being mindfucked by their self fulfilling prophecies. I see this so much more in guys who aren't FOBs, though, and that really surprises me.
/r/seduction02/02/11 01:41 AM
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Why is this being downvoted? This is good info.
/r/seduction02/02/11 01:33 AM
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You don't need negs till you start hitting on girls with social values of 9s and 10s. Work on teasing and kino. It will be far more helpful. The negs will follow when you have enough social calibration to be rude to girls.
/r/seduction01/02/11 05:17 PM
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Point taken. I only downvoted your original comment. Because we have people who make the same comment every other day.
/r/seduction01/02/11 07:18 AM
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Are you trying to compare virtual dick sizes? Because number of comments and comment karma is indicative of the quality of comments, especially advice that pertains to this subreddit. And I haven't seen you contribute anything else worthwhile in this subreddit. I don't think you're actually practicing seduction. Your comment karma invalid in this subreddit. This is my throwaway for seddit. Think about that.
/r/seduction01/02/11 05:25 AM
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Please. Get. Out. You're not contributing anything new. We get someone commenting uselessly like this every week. EDIT: Sorry, that was needlessly rude.
/r/seduction01/02/11 04:29 AM
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Touch people when you talk to them, men and women. Place your harn on their shoulder or upper arm, for a second, but DON'T look at it. Don't let your touch linger. When you're on a date, tap her gently when you make a joke, grab her hand to lead her, hold her hand to make a point. You don't need a reason to touch someone. You should just be a touchy guy. The goal is to get them used to your touch, so that when you escalate kino (from hold hands => increase proximity => arm on hips => arms around…
/r/seduction30/01/11 08:59 PM
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Also, what you're suggesting is building rapport. It's common for many guys to build rapport before building attraction or initiating a relationship. However the downside is this frequently results in women losing any romantic interest in the guy and putting him in the "Friendzone". Walking up to a girl with confidence and introducing yourself will get you FAR further. This is building attraction (in addition to other things like being funny or teasing them), and you can get SO much further with…
/r/seduction26/01/11 08:44 PM
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You really don't know how this subreddit works do you?
/r/seduction26/01/11 08:26 PM
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Not really. It's not creepy if you can play it off like the most natural thing in the world. You create your reality - it's only creepy if you think it is. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
/r/seduction26/01/11 08:24 PM
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See if you can piece something together with this and this.
/r/seduction25/01/11 09:00 PM
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Haha, Last Halloween, I met a girl who said she doesn't play the game because she doesn't like it. I proceeded to neg her, tease her, kino escalate on her, push pull, then have her close me. Candy from baby. She then proceeded to get upset when I said, "You do realize that we just played the game, right?" It's almost as easy as the girls who say PU doesn't work on them.
/r/seduction25/01/11 08:53 PM
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The HB system rates a social value of a woman not just her attractiveness. A model might be 10 at your average bar, but she's probably a 6 or 7 at a high end Vegas club. In other words, read the fucking sidebar.
/r/seduction25/01/11 08:49 PM
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Trying to impress her? Not the best frame.
/r/seduction25/01/11 08:47 PM
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Well, when I had trouble with my game a couple months ago, I was told to read 60. I took certain things from it that helped my game. Here's how I would describe my game: AFC Adam style natural game + El Topo style Body Language and Kino escalation + 60 years's sexual tension and always be escalating mindset. A lot of what he says I disagree with. For example, he says never break rapport. I break it rapidly and constantly. If you read his stuff, he says open girls with hi or cheers and if you don…
/r/seduction25/01/11 03:45 AM
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You should read some of 60 year's of challenge's game theory. He contends that there's a natural sexual tension between every man and woman, and you can use game techniques to build that and make it lead to sex. This seems to confirm that. It's pretty eye opening.
/r/seduction25/01/11 01:01 AM
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Grow you hair like this guy and get platform boots.
/r/seduction24/01/11 10:17 PM
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This is awesome. You should submit it on the main page.
/r/seduction24/01/11 09:58 PM
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Let's work through this. Tell me what frightens you? Write it down as a reply to this comment, in bullet points. It's unnatural for me to be in a dimly lit place packed with strangers Is it the dim lighting? Is it the density of strangers? Is it the strangers? Let's assume it's the strangers. What upsets you about strangers? Write it down. It's easier to reason your way through this if you write it down.
/r/seduction24/01/11 08:14 PM
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I see preening everywhere now.
/r/seduction24/01/11 07:06 PM
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Picked up my wingmen in bars like I pick up my women. Also, lairs.
/r/seduction24/01/11 08:18 AM
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See this post by cheddarchexmix.
/r/seduction24/01/11 08:10 AM
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I'm in!
/r/seduction24/01/11 05:06 AM
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There's not a whole lot going on on Seddit dealing with natural game currently, unfortunately, lot of David Wygant and some RSD stuff. Nice to see someone bringing in more diversity.
/r/seduction24/01/11 01:35 AM
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Good, I'm not the only one who thinks this is true. Still, new environments means new tactics. Where does that leave us? Shock and Awe? Apocalypse? Online game? We must adapt, right? EDIT: Punctuation
/r/seduction24/01/11 01:09 AM
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Zan is indeed an eye opener. Have you seen him speak or done the Ars Amorati thing?
/r/seduction24/01/11 01:05 AM
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On the other hand, using the sympathy of the masses to change a girl's opinion - masterful! Way to harness the bandwagon effect.
/r/seduction23/01/11 08:53 PM
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"No, but he will." "I don't know if I like you yet" or "I haven't decided if I like you yet" "I don't even know you" "I don't buy drinks for girls I don't know" "Why don't you buy me a drink?" All this is context sensitive. 20 minutes into your set or if you're in for sure, buying her a drink or two won't hurt.
/r/seduction22/01/11 06:45 PM
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What about guys who aren't going for promiscuity? There should be a better metric for rating a guy's skill. I get lots of numbers, I don't like making out at bars, I go on lots of dates and next women if they aren't interesting to me (I push all interactions to a close if I can, and use the date as a screener, because no matter how hot/cool she might seem at a bar, she's a different person the next day). My ratio of approaches to numbers to dates to sex is something like 20:10:5:1, including sho…
/r/seduction20/01/11 02:10 AM
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Direct game works. Instead of closing with just the line you use, try building rapport and you'll get some solid numbers. It's very Paul Janka.
/r/seduction19/01/11 04:32 AM
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I will admit that my friends don't give off creepy vibes. I have sarged with guys in my local lair who had creepy vibes and I rarely had problems with it as long as I maintained 100% control.
/r/seduction19/01/11 02:46 AM
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Great idea!! This gets new ideas out to the seddit community and it's free publicity for them too. I think we can make this work. On another note, I know a lot of PUAs are willing to give 'Lair Talks' for free via skype. It allows them to push their products, while giving away a lot of good stuff to the community for free. We can organize a live straming talk as well, with questions and answers via chat.
/r/seduction17/01/11 08:26 PM
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Well, self evaluation with most beginners is pointless. The best way to decide what needs work is to have someone else evaluate them in field. In the two lairs that I've been somewhat involved with, beginners have a very skewed perspective of what needs fixing. What we can look for would be: Age Ethnicity (just for records) Nationality + country of origin (I'm not American, but I live here now) What you want (Promiscuity/Relationships/Proficiency) Sex Height Fitness Level sexual orientation A se…
/r/seduction17/01/11 08:13 PM
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The direct verbal is alpha, as long as you're not whiny. It's all about how you say it. AFC way to do it would be to ignore it and stare at her like a puppy.
/r/seduction14/01/11 08:44 PM
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Sounds like we have different styles of game too. I do a lot of direct approaches, so setting the frame like this works for me. By the time I'm on a date, with the girl, especially the first two, I'm very dominant and aim to get as much compliance out of them early on by making them jump through hoops. Whatever works, right?
/r/seduction14/01/11 08:43 PM
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I just think it's fine when you meet them for the first time, or are hanging out in a group or at a party. But when you're on a date initiating a relationship, I just think it's better to be clear about what's acceptable. You're wandering off may be perceived as it's okay to do it since you can keep yourself occupied while she's chatting. On the other hand, firmly and playfully setting the frame of the relationship (When she's with you, she's with you) is better. I just prefer positive reinforce…
/r/seduction14/01/11 08:05 PM
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I wish this comment was getting upvoted more instead of what I wrote. This is better advice.
/r/seduction14/01/11 07:53 PM
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I disagree. That's just passive aggressive. I was thinking be more playful about it. Plus, say what you mean and be assertive about it and she'll respect it more. Unreactive does not equal unassertive. She's already on a date with you. Set some boundaries instead of playing mind games. She's on a date with you, all you're doing is escalating.
/r/seduction14/01/11 07:49 PM
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Don't tolerate behavior from hot girls that you wouldn't from ugly girls. Tap her and say, hey, that's rude, you can call them back later. Remember, you're the man. Don't take shit from anyone. EDIT: calling her out in an assertive yet playful manner the way frogma describes it would probably be better. or freaking escalate
/r/seduction14/01/11 04:38 PM
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Are you out there for practice or for results?
/r/seduction13/01/11 02:54 AM
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Or, get into PUA stuff and find 10 more girls to make connections with.
/r/seduction13/01/11 12:31 AM
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Smiling in a goth club might get you lynched.
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:49 PM
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Play with her. Tell her to stop hitting on you in a playful way. Use the girls are sexual predators frame. Make her chase you. "OMG you're so touchy feely, don't think you're going to get any just because I let you touch my pecs" "Woah there, that shit ain't free. I normally charge 10 bucks a touch, but since you're cute, 5 dollars"
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:13 PM
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You slipped and fell when you asked her to pick up that pencil you dropped. You broke your fall by sticking your penis in her.
/r/seduction12/01/11 08:11 PM
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Stop overthinking it. She will sense it. Just stay calm and be unreactive (Badasses don't look at explosions). Just eat food, and don't show too much interest. Just be playful. It's really hard to give you advice without knowing who you are, seeing what you're like. My self image as a freshman was COMPLETELY wrong, I really wasn't the person I thought I was. All I can say is, don't be too needy, and TAKE RISKS. There are hundreds of girls at your uni, don't be afraid to fail. Be forward and don'…
/r/seduction12/01/11 07:07 PM
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El Topo is awesome. He's helped so many guys in the local (Austin) community, for free. He's also REALLY fun to hang out with.
/r/seduction12/01/11 05:33 PM
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Nope. They want someone who makes them feel good. Not someone with a nice house.
/r/seduction12/01/11 06:22 AM
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I agree with BPhair. Seems like your target is the HB 7, but make sure. Get her number from HB 9 after making sure. The HB 9 will most likely try to talk about HB7, so don't bring it up. Don't text too much. Keep it very laconic. Text asking to hang out. Do something low investment, like ask her to chill at the quad, or grab lunch at the cafeteria. "I'm gonna grab lunch later at X cafeteria, join me?" This is to get her comfy with you. Don't talk too much, ask her about her life. Don't boast, ma…
/r/seduction12/01/11 05:39 AM
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Rinse repeat. Fail fail fail till you succeed. It will hurt, but it will work, and work faster than you think, if you're taking risks. Escalate on them. Let the hormones work, do whatever you feel like. Your body knows how to work, allow it to work..
/r/seduction11/01/11 03:36 AM
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Stop reading and go do 20 approaches. Figure out what you're doing wrong and go fix that. Then read some more.
/r/seduction11/01/11 02:08 AM
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If you want to salvage the situation, start disqualifying yourself. "I'm too <whatever>for you". "Too bad you're so <quality>, I only go for <opposite quality>" Or that could just be the way she speaks.
/r/seduction11/01/11 12:29 AM
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This is a really interesting article. Upvoted!
/r/seduction10/01/11 09:10 PM
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Can you post more history for context?
/r/seduction10/01/11 07:13 PM
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Socialize with women. Forget pick up. Just make friends with girls. Try that for four months. Come back and report on progress.
/r/seduction10/01/11 06:27 AM
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Nope. I burned out badly for a semester (I'm a grad student), with no results. I was doing all the wrong things (pushing for SNLs, when I should be practicing escalation on dates, other stupid things like not following up on numbers, not working logistics and social circles). Now, I have a better approach to this without burning out: I go out with friends for one night, and sarge the other two.
/r/seduction10/01/11 06:00 AM
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I never drink. Unless the girl buys me a shot, I don't drink anything except water or tonic and lime, and even that, occaisionally. I usually like keeping hands free for kino. I do better after a couple drinks, but nothing like the 3 approaches or other ways of getting in state. I also sarge 3 days a week, so to remain productive, I need to stay sober.
/r/seduction10/01/11 05:49 AM
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What's the problem?
/r/seduction08/01/11 11:41 PM
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What's a top?
/r/seduction08/01/11 11:39 PM
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:D Don't be judgmental till you've tried it. Don't use other people's routines. The routines are meant to rewire your brain to natural patterns of seduction. Make your own using experiences and before long, you'll use your own routines to seduce women. Go to college, and enjoy yourself. Go be social and don't get too hung up on pick up. Join clubs, and go to every party you can. Come back to pick up when you're 21 and still have problems getting laid. Learn by trial and error and stop being anal…
/r/seduction08/01/11 11:33 PM
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Im only 18, and have never had any sort of sexual contact so what do I know? You're only 18. You need to fail on your own before you start learning this stuff. Stop. Reading. Now. And fail a few times. Don't come back till you're 21. Everyone that I know who got into pick up early is all kinds of fucked up. Great at pickup. Can't hold a relationship, can't get laid more than once, is too suspicious of people's motives. Try and fail a few times before you resort to this. I'm glad you have such a …
/r/seduction08/01/11 11:09 PM
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Hey dude, don't worry about the kino escalation. Most under 21 girls are skittish, especially in public. I'd suggest showing no attachment or attention to her in public, almost as if you didn't care but get her to your place and caveman her.
/r/seduction08/01/11 07:16 PM
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Well I just think about how I want to get better with women and have sex.
/r/seduction08/01/11 06:45 PM
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This is Richard LaRuina, Gambler. One of the original gangsters. He owns PUA Training, (which also has AFC Adam as a trainer, but has horrible marketing). He's got some great stuff, his videos are awesome.
/r/seduction08/01/11 06:41 PM
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Word. I've lost many a lay when I moved away from West Campus.
/r/seduction08/01/11 05:31 PM
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Don't bring up commitment. Let her. But go on dates, escalate.
/r/seduction08/01/11 09:20 AM
1

What do you study?
/r/seduction08/01/11 09:10 AM
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:D My username is from a joke I made calling a lair meeting "AFCs anonymous"
/r/seduction08/01/11 12:46 AM
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Nope. I've had relationships, been in love and have had bad break ups, but it wasn't a girl who drove me to it. I'm in the community because I really wanted to learn to get women through cold approaches. I was not happy at all with the type of women I was meeting through social circle after my last break up. I got into pick up to make myself more confident and attractive.
/r/seduction08/01/11 12:44 AM
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I don't look like a FOB. I dress really well (very well fitting, no visible brand names, classic looks, good jeans, good shoes, etc.), and I have a haircut that makes me look great. I'm dark (some white girls love my 'tan') and my skin isn't the greatest but I don't have an accent, most people are surprised that I've been here for just a few years especially after their doctor/professor who's been here for 30 years still has a thick accent. But the accent isn't it. One of my good friends in the …
/r/seduction08/01/11 12:41 AM
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I went to the W a couple of times on a Thursday before Xmas, haven't been on a weekend or during the non holiday season, but I will check it out. Expensive drinks, and a nice vibe but the crowd wasn't great on either night. I'll definitely go back in a couple weeks.
/r/seduction08/01/11 12:15 AM
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Haha, I thought we you were like IDontGetSeduction because of your username :D
/r/seduction08/01/11 12:10 AM
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Are you a novelty account? Or are you for real? in any case: It's when a girl gives you proximity, eye contact, shows you a prop that can initiate conversation. Girls can't outright approach guys 99% of the time. They need to make it such that we can "Approach them" and open then, and they can accept or reject us. Very common approach invited are when you're at a bar, and the girls come stand near you, make eye contact and turn their backs to you, often flicking their hair towards you. You can s…
/r/seduction07/01/11 11:23 PM
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Haha, I do get more attention in the American Northeast. Not so much in Texas.
/r/seduction07/01/11 07:03 PM
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To clarify, I don't get approach invites from a lot of girls.
/r/seduction07/01/11 07:01 PM
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Brown guy here. There is no sexy stereotype for Indian. I don't get approached [clarification: Approach Invites] as much, and I'm not viewed as a dating prospect by most women, until I actually start attracting them. Confidence and good game is universally attractive. In fact, use race to your advantage. Be the exception to the negative stereotype. Learn to make fun of them, and 'stereotype' your target in a playful way. One of the push pull things I LOVE doing is: "You're pretty good at ____ ..…
/r/seduction07/01/11 09:48 AM
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You've discovered the magic of Authenticity!
/r/seduction06/01/11 10:48 PM
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i think if you've followed throwaraptor's advice you've been friending people around here What advice is that?
/r/seduction06/01/11 08:56 PM
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Yup, try it at least 10 times, but watch your body language. You're building massive attraction in around 30s of opening. No weaknesses. Let me know how it goes. Any tips on attraction building then? These girls are already attracted to you, and are possibly nervous. Think about any guy you know who's cool as shit and fun to hang out with who gets nervous around women who are very attractive. The women can't see the awesome side of him and assume that he's just a another guy. The number one thin…
/r/seduction06/01/11 07:34 PM
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Sorry if I came off a bit harsh. A couple of points on building attraction - There are two different ways of making a girl want you. One involved making them want to fuck you and it's VERY heavily linked with investment, buying temperature and compliance. This is playful and works much better in clubs than day time. This makes women want to sleep with you for validation. You're** not** interested in this from what I can tell. The other involves what I call knight in shining armor game. It's a ve…
/r/seduction06/01/11 05:20 PM
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something superficial Are you looking for sex with her? Or a relationship?
/r/seduction06/01/11 04:51 AM
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The last two dates I went on that ended in first time sex, I kept CONSTANTLY touching her, and kinoing. Playing with her, pushing her around, pulling, holding her, stroking her arm. Expressing dominance, confidence, comfort while keeping it natural and fluid. After the sex, one of the said that she'd never felt this comfortable or non self conscious. In fact the only reason she even had sex this early was because: she was turned on by how confident my touch seemed and how comfortable it made her…
/r/seduction06/01/11 04:26 AM
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The smaller nose would perfectly compliment the regular sized one already on your face.
/r/seduction06/01/11 04:16 AM
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Not too many upvotes, guys. Don't want this hitting front page do we?
/r/seduction06/01/11 04:14 AM
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"Why can't women be interesting to me?" is a common feeling, a lot of guys go through it. You're not going to like this, but it's the fact that your game isn't calibrated. You're very social, but are you sexual? Are you escalating on the women there? I think you're a little worried about getting hurt or rejected badly, and you're projecting that as a sheild against taking risks and escalating. How often do you get blown out? How often are you failing? Trust me, I went through a LOT of this. It t…
/r/seduction06/01/11 04:03 AM
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Can you contact her via Facebook?
/r/seduction06/01/11 03:32 AM
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Is she not answering texts or phone calls?
/r/seduction06/01/11 02:48 AM
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When the world around you tells you this is the way things are, you kind of feel broken for not wanting them. It doesn't affect my confidence any but it does get me wondering. If you feel this way, you'd be far happier if you accept your lack of desire for companionship. You won't be any happier in a relationship that you feel you have to be in for the sake of society. My old roommate (who's in the community as well) feels EXACTLY the way you do, but has come to accept it and rarely goes out of …
/r/seduction06/01/11 02:46 AM
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Haha, have you asked them interesting questions? You're the man, take the lead and make their conversations interesting. Most hot girls learn that it's smarter to shut up and look pretty. it's not that they don't have personality, it's that they're not rewarded for displaying it, and if you want to see anyone's true colors, you need to tease it out of them. It's the ugly girl and formerly ugly girls that have TONS of personality. read the link, it's VERY spot on with men's motivations and how to…
/r/seduction06/01/11 01:30 AM
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Do you feel like you need to be with women because society tells you that you need companionship? Are you trying not to connect either through a sense of superiority or fear of getting hurt? Women are EXTREMELY good at reading how a man really feels about them, and any negative body language indicating fear or condescension (or some such attitude) can be easily picked up by them. I used to have both problems, and I changed that through rationalizing my way through it and learning to be genuinely…
/r/seduction06/01/11 01:25 AM
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Depends on how much you wanna spend, and what time of year and the weather. Find a lounge, or a late night hookah bar or a wine bar. Don't stay for longer than an hour and bounce her home ASAP :D.
/r/seduction05/01/11 09:42 PM
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Is an open relationship an option?
/r/seduction05/01/11 09:28 PM
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Get coffee and take a walk. You won't run out of things to talk about given the amount of stimulation around you. Get to know your city well, and take her to a place where you can watch the sun set, or a river, or someplace calming. You can kino, put your arm around her, hold hands, whatever, and escalate. If it's going well, suggest going back to your place and chill. Escalate immediately.
/r/seduction05/01/11 09:20 PM
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HA! That's awesome. We expect an FR!
/r/seduction05/01/11 06:37 PM
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The whole point of the book is for women to date and keep high value males. Kind of how Mystery Method is mostly for higher social value girls.
/r/seduction04/01/11 08:45 PM
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Can you imagine this not working on AFCs?
/r/seduction04/01/11 08:34 PM
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Is it funny that we're telling women to go get their own seduction subreddit considering how seduction is considered a feminine art?
/r/seduction04/01/11 08:07 PM
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Also, see this. I don't agree with all of it, but there's enough that is helpful.
/r/seduction04/01/11 07:34 PM
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Learn to stop giving a fuck. It really doesn't matter what others think. If you don't let it bother you, they won't even think about it. You're bringing them into your reality, not theirs.
/r/seduction04/01/11 07:16 PM
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Just change topics. Whatever comes to mind. No one's going to call you out for abruptly changing topics, no one ever remembers how you got to talking about whatever you're talking about. Just get 5 go to questions, stories and/or topics and switch to them abruptly.
/r/seduction04/01/11 07:13 PM
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I am, haha. Too much personal info on seddit/reddit already. I post my FRs on a private seduction boards, but I like the atmosphere here. Not too pickuppy.
/r/seduction04/01/11 07:12 PM
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I'm not that good looking (I'm not that ugly either, though.) I just don't carry myself like a cute girl, and I'm sort of a mess/clown. Kino, sexy body language, eye contact, vocal work, presenting a challenge. What I remember about a girl in most of my interactions are how friendly she was, the way she looked at me, the smile, and how she touched me. I can't recommend any resources to read, but there's a lot in the behavior of a woman that is really powerful and under appreciated. I'd much rath…
/r/seduction04/01/11 04:11 PM
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It's only because it's so cheap :D I mean, my screener is coffee + walk somewhere, usually a park or along the river. If it's a higher investment date, like a drinks at a nicer bar, I'll make them split it.
/r/seduction04/01/11 08:42 AM
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Or he could create a account under some other name, and promote his content through that. There's no law against self promotion on reddit, at least he's honest about it. There's so much promotion through social media going on anyway, better the man himself than someone who is paid to promote. This article might be generic to you, but if the info is good, it might benefit people who don't have PUA blogs on their google reader. Like me. I'm not a fan of the presentation of his site, but he creates…
/r/seduction04/01/11 05:52 AM
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If it's a public place that's unconventional, it ups the naughty factor. As long as you're being fun and spontaneous, and turning her on. Walking around just lets you kino so much more. Grab hand, twirl, physical push pull, being playful, piggy back rides.
/r/seduction04/01/11 05:31 AM
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Keep it cheap? A coffee date is 7-8 bucks for both of you. A casual dinner that's memorable (take her to get hotdogs or to a food trailer and walk in the park) wouldn;t be more than 10-20. Plus if you time it right, you can get a romantic time of the day (sunset). you can say, I get dinner, you get dessert.
/r/seduction04/01/11 05:24 AM
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this subreddit is really more geared towards guys trying to get girls. just a heads up, it's probably why you're -1. best of luck. Or that we prefer situations that are general (gaming mixed sets in coffee shops), or sticking point related (Am I doing my push pull wrong), not target - specific (how do I get this one girl/guy who is my soulmate)
/r/seduction04/01/11 05:20 AM
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It's called mirroring body language. If they like you, or are on the same wavelength (rapport). It's something you can do as well. When you open, mirror them, and slowly start making them mirror you. It should be subtle and fluid, it's an advanced technique. All of us do it. for example, if she's facing you face, her. If she turns away, turn away, and slowly start facing her, and she'll do it. Use it for compliance tests. If you open someone on the street, face away from them initially, and rapi…
/r/seduction04/01/11 04:40 AM
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Here are some ideas: Hey [nickname]. Happy Birthday!! Party a lot!! You need to teach me how to sneak into clubs soon. I'll be hitting some clubs this weekend, you can come if you play nice. No wearing your birthday suit though. Or Hey [nickname]. Happy Birthday!! Party a lot!! You need to teach me how to sneak into clubs soon. I'll be hitting some clubs this weekend, you can come if you play nice. No wearing your birthday suit though.
/r/seduction04/01/11 04:24 AM
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Good point. OP, use what he says instead.
/r/seduction04/01/11 04:14 AM
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Luck favors you. Send her a happy birthday message, but not the Wall. Throw out the invite. She can't be wearing her birthday suit though.
/r/seduction04/01/11 04:05 AM
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If you're good at it, try cold reading. I can usually guess where they're from via accents. But if you're specifically targeting the undergrads, Try it anyway. If you're right,it's a DHV, and builds rapport. If you're wrong, just say, "Oh, you're boring. My next guess was going to be Hawaii/interesting place you've been to. Have you been to Hawaii?" But, what are you trying to accomplish? conversation? Attraction? Comfort?
/r/seduction04/01/11 03:53 AM
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Why are you here? To save us from ourselves?
/r/seduction04/01/11 03:39 AM
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she grabs my hand and says, I have to go get my phone from my friend; Lets ditch these people, and jump in. Sounds like you have a spark. Send her a flirty message on FB. I mean, nothing ventured, nothing gained right? Keep it short and sweet. DON'T tell her how you feel, etc. Nothing is worse than neediness. "Hey [nickname, if you have one, or something that you can refer to that you talked about]. Hope you had a good holiday/xmas/whatever. You need to teach me how to sneak into clubs (or somet…
/r/seduction04/01/11 03:33 AM
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Why neg? He's in isolation, in a situation of equal social value. It's far better if he's teasing or playful. And the real effect of the neg is in the delivery. If he doesn't have the logistics for disinterest in her, a neg's just going to come off as rude. I mean, he already has her all to himself, he just needs arousal and/or a deeper connection.
/r/seduction03/01/11 09:08 PM
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Neg = back handed compliment. "Nice nails, are they real", "Woah, did you used to have braces?" It's not what you say, it's the delivery. If you're new to this, don't neg. Get calibrated first. Learn to tease. It just works better. Negs are only for girls who think their social value is higher than yours. Push Pull: Statement of interest, followed by statements of disinterest. Read this comment.
/r/seduction03/01/11 09:05 PM
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So, not an old man, just someone who was in the community a while ago. What's your life like now?
/r/seduction03/01/11 06:47 AM
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Replied to the wrong person?
/r/seduction03/01/11 06:45 AM
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How old is old?
/r/seduction03/01/11 06:04 AM
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You're on a date, you have equal social standing it seems, why would you neg? Take charge. If you don't like where she's sitting, make her move. Women are soooo compliant. She's already on a date with you. Ask her to take her sunglasses off. Why? Because it's hiding her face. Or if the sun is in her face make her move till it's not. Make her do stuff to invest in you, and just be dominant. Be playful, so that any misstep can just be attributed to just you teasing and being playful.
/r/seduction03/01/11 05:38 AM
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A group of people in a social situation. A 2 set has two people. A mixed set is a group of girls and guys.
/r/seduction03/01/11 04:42 AM
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coach? For a pick up company?
/r/seduction03/01/11 01:00 AM
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Open 3 sets as soon as possible. Just crash and burn if you have to. It's like pulling off a band aid. Music helps too.
/r/seduction02/01/11 09:47 PM
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Yes. Quoted from the self post. at least it promotes being interesting. Its more entertaining to have a semi-interesting conversation with a guy who is clearly a PUA robot than an awkward guy asking me what my favorite color is. Reading the post might help. I'm not allowed to have an "attitude" after you "resort to misdirection"? Nope. No attitude for you. Also, Misdirection is a bad word. I was just deflecting.
/r/seduction02/01/11 08:18 PM
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It's nice that some women appreciate that we're trying to be more interesting than the average guy at a bar. I just got tired of people, mostly guys, in real life and in the other thread misunderstanding pick up. Hi there! Are you a woman too? :p And I just thought you were just posting a snarky comment to diss mine. As in accusing me of being a woman after the discussion in the other thread. So just resorting to misdirection. What's with the attitude, anyway?
/r/seduction02/01/11 03:55 PM
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Nope. I'm a dude. I edited my original comment for clarity.
/r/seduction02/01/11 03:29 PM
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Worst. pick up line. ever.
/r/seduction02/01/11 03:23 PM
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To be more constructive: Be outcome independent. Do not be reaction seeking. Smile when you open, but a casual smirk, not a big grin. If they don't respond, make a statement and qualify them. "You look like <whatever>. Are you a <whatever>". Like "You look interesting. What's the most fun thing you've ever done." "You girls look like trouble, who's the bad one?" Girls love that shit. You're getting them to qualify themselves to you, just get them to do more of the talking. Have some simple back …
/r/seduction01/01/11 09:27 PM
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Cutting off your leg = ultimate in peacocking. Tell him he took it too far this time.
/r/seduction01/01/11 09:20 PM
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Something I try to focus on is adding value and spreading a feel good vibe when I go out. I tend to try to pump them up if they're down, I'm funny and make them laugh. I run into them later and they remember me, they stop by, say hey and chat throughout the night. Which is why I made the statement. I don't believe in strategy or competition I guess this is where we differ. I love competition, I don't perform well without pressure, and I like planning ahead. If I want/need something in life.. I l…
/r/seduction01/01/11 08:28 PM
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That's one of the big systemic flaws I see in the whole seduction strategy.. You've all been brainwashed to believe there is some 100% reliable set of truths that work on all women.. and result in some "shortcut" to getting what you want (whether that's easy pussy or something else). It's marketing bullshit, and too many people buy into it. But I believe that most of these tactics apply to a majority of the attractive women out there. Because it's natural and organic. It's how almost all people …
/r/seduction01/01/11 08:05 PM
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What makes you think that I didn't? I remember the names of all the girls I met, what we talked about. One girl was bitchy (as some girls in bars think they should be) but the others were really nice, I just didn't continue my interaction with them because I felt no connection with them. My point is, I left them better than I found them. I added value to their night. and just treat people with love, respect, compassion and politeness Yes. That was exactly what I did. With a little bit of pretent…
/r/seduction01/01/11 07:51 PM
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Zan's awesome. Really awesome. If you can, you should definitely do the ars amorata, or casa amorata programs that he offers. He's got one of the healthiest attitudes I've seen in any man towards women.
/r/seduction01/01/11 07:14 PM
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If that's not true... I don't understand why the seduction/PUA community would allow that misperception to continue, and not do something (on a wide scale) to fix it. Surely you don't want that negative image.. it effects your game. It's because 90% of the people in the community don't care. If you're good (or smart about it), no one will know that you're in the community. It'll take a lot of time and energy to fix it. And when you're in the community, you want a little bit of advantage over the…
/r/seduction01/01/11 07:03 PM
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If you don't know exactly what it is, why would your opinion on "needless jargon" be valid. You're not giving me a reason why touch describes what kino escalation is.
/r/seduction01/01/11 06:41 PM
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If on the other hand... he's pulling that same strategy on 5 or 10 different girls a week... (trying to make sure none of them find out about the others)... or because he just wants to get into their pants... THEN that's deceptive and manipulative. You're forgetting - women are complicit in their own seduction. This is the first time they meet, he's single, she's single, he's offering an exciting rollercoaster ride of emotions and sexuality, and she's biting. There are two sides to this. And doi…
/r/seduction01/01/11 06:20 PM
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Haha, not to self promote, but, you can submit the comment separately on seddit for inclusion and see if others agree :D. Not many people are going to read this thread any more.
/r/seduction01/01/11 06:09 PM
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Haha, I was being snarky. But you have no understanding of the people on this subreddit. If you work on improving yourself.. with the goal of having real, honest, genuine and quality interactions with other people... THEN you'll meet amazing people... and on occasion (a few times a month or maybe more) you'll have some great experiences (which may or may not include sex) And we're not? What gives you that impression? We are working on that, but we limit our discussions here to seduction. A lot o…
/r/seduction31/12/10 11:21 PM
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Let me give you an example. Man meets woman at a party. Man is funny, teasing her, coming across as charming and confident. He wins over her friends, and leads her to the balcony. They kiss. They exchange numbers and soon begin dating. Did any of this sound familiar? Being in college I'm sure you've seen this. Lets try it again. Man initiates conversation with women using an funny one liner. He is funny and teases her a little and is generally being more interesting than all the other guys who a…
/r/seduction31/12/10 10:50 PM
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Haha, don't judge us based solely on the impressions that a few dbags give us.
/r/seduction31/12/10 10:19 PM
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You have to say the right thing,.. to the right person.. at the right time.. in the right circumstances. That's asking for a lot, isn't it? About your TL;DR, game is for the girls who don't already like you. What if you're not happy with the girls who like you? EDIT: To be clear, that works for women who want to sleep with men. They know that! On the other hand, if you want to sleep with a woman, it would be much harder. There was that study where 90% of men were wiling to jump into bed with a h…
/r/seduction31/12/10 10:14 PM
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Meh, I understand. I hate frat boys, and funnily enough, some of my closest friends are ex frat boys.
/r/seduction31/12/10 10:07 PM
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Wow. Okay. Good argument. I've been schooled. You obviously know a lot more about this than I do.
/r/seduction31/12/10 10:06 PM
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If you can tell they're PUAs they're not very good. Or if they're dumb enough to tell people that.
/r/seduction31/12/10 10:03 PM
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Haha, that was you? I'm sorry for the comments. It's hurtful when your first success with a girl is mocked by people who are by and large insecure in themselves. I understand the nature of your comments better now. I'm happy for your relationship and that you're happy. You're still young and it's your first relationship since being "forever alone". You're only 18 and you've been dating for two months. Make sure you continue to grow as a person and keep her attracted to you. I don't do anything o…
/r/seduction31/12/10 10:02 PM
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It's convenient. And most PUAs don't care about the perception of pick up.
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:37 PM
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If you want to sleep with a girl, you should be man enough to ask her directly (at an appropriate time/moment) Humor me. How does that work?
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:36 PM
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TL;DR.. If you're actively doing anything to try to influence how other people like/dislike you... then you've poisoned/polluted the interaction and it will never be "genuine". You've never done any of this to get a person to like you? You've never had an interaction where you've had an ulterior motive? You've never tried to look cool in front of a girl you liked? Really, everyone manipulates. Read The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene. It's not a PUA book. But you'd be surprised by how many peo…
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:34 PM
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I don't see a problem with that either... as long as your open/honest/transparent about it. If simply getting laid is someones agenda... then why not just be direct and ask? Why all the social-games? Oh?.. social proclivities mean it's rude or impolite to just ask for sex?... I'm not sure why. If that's what you have in mind.. and that's what she has in mind.. why not just skip directly to the question?. Spoken like a man! If only women worked like that.
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:30 PM
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We're not in this just for sex, it's the thrill of the chase. It's the fact that we can learn to attract most women anywhere.
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:28 PM
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So, what makes you think we never do that? I never call them one night stands, I like calling them many night stands :D
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:18 PM
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EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT Nope. We're all motivated by mostly the same things: desire for comfort, rapport, security, excitement and acceptance. I did everything pretty much off track of PUA and it's going great. Probably not. You unconsciously employed the same techniques that we are learning. just because I keep social. It's called social proof and social value. You do it naturally. Therefore you're what we call a natural. We generate social proof as well, by many other techniques. To seduce girls…
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:14 PM
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Ha, how did you know they were PUAs?
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:04 PM
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I was going to write a long response to this, but you seem pretty set in your opinion, despite it being based on incomplete information. You really have no understanding of this, possibly only from what you read in The Game or saw in the Pick Up Artist. Why do you read seddit again?
/r/seduction31/12/10 09:03 PM
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Go find those women and seduce them, then. It's all the same concepts.
/r/seduction31/12/10 08:19 PM
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Upvoted for username. About Seddit's attitude for STDs, read this and this. We encourage responsible sexual activity. Also, it's a good thing that I've never seen anything I think that every person here should read the writings of Zan Perrion, who is one of my major inspirations. He's completely mature about seduction, and has possibly the healthiest attitude towards women of any person. He's also mentioned in the chapter in The Game on picking up women from restaurants. My point is there are pe…
/r/seduction31/12/10 05:45 PM
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See above.
/r/seduction31/12/10 05:34 PM
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Kino is a tool. Kinesthetic escalation is strategically establishing rapport and building sexual tension through touch. Touch doesn't cover all the implications. Kinesthetic is an established scientific term. Take, for example, the concept of Kinesthetic learning. Would it be more effective if we call it "Touch learning?" Before most people say that kino is manipulative, realize that a lot of kino is done naturally, we just learn to read it and apply it. It's like saying that learning how to imp…
/r/seduction31/12/10 05:34 PM
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Ask yourself why you like them. Then ask your self what of those reasons would remain if she was ugly. Then compliment her on those reasons indirectly or add a disqualification. "You have good taste in music... for a girl" "I love that you like rock climbing. Too bad you're such a dork."
/r/seduction31/12/10 10:25 AM
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I still don't think you understand what we do or what PUA is. Everything that you do naturally, we try to understand and apply. It's like make up. Please don't judge us without trying to understand what we do exactly. I am curious. What causes your impression of us being creepy and not genuine?
/r/seduction31/12/10 10:16 AM
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The best way to teach yourself natural flirting is by embodying it, and repetition, and over time, it becomes natural to you. A lot of how the community teaches itself to be confident and cool is to internalize it by following the motions till the motions become natural. That's how I'm doing things, a lot of escalation and teasing and flirting that comes naturally to me now I couldn't do at all just a few months ago. Also, There's a post like this every month or so. If you're not getting answers…
/r/seduction30/12/10 07:02 AM
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/r/seduction29/12/10 11:06 PM
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First: Read (10%) + practice (90%). The only way you can get better is immersion in the field. Go practice on a bunch of girls, don't focus on just one.
/r/seduction29/12/10 06:06 PM
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Copy the link to your self post and submit it as an outside link (through a url shortener). Have people upvote it, till you have required karma. It'll take 2 mimnutes and you'll probably generate the karma required to edit the faq.
/r/seduction29/12/10 05:55 PM
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I really didn't think much of it This is SO important. You weren't thinking about it, you were spontaneous, and confident, and smooth. Girls LOVE that. You were direct about your intentions and you hit a lot of attraction switches through that smooth confident maneuver. Awesome!
/r/seduction29/12/10 05:52 PM
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Ha. I've deleted them three times, they just keep coming back for some reason.
/r/seduction28/12/10 12:02 AM
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Every single book that emphasizes routines tells you to make your own. It tells you to try the canned stuff made by some one else and then transition to your own material. If you've read The Game, you know that Style really came into his own when he started coming up with his own routines. [Gone Savage](www.gonesavage.com) makes up hokey routines on the fly for phase transitions. Lose the routines memorized from books. Make your own routines that are congruent to you. This is what makes game nat…
/r/seduction26/12/10 09:53 PM
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"hey i gotta run but i think you're really cute and i'd like to hang out with you sometime. lets exchange numbers." Say it!! I use this all the time, when I have shorter sets. It also helps if you plan out what you say in the beginning so that you can focus on delivery and body language. Something I need to put into practice :P
/r/seduction24/12/10 06:46 PM
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Have you ever tried reading a math or physics book? without working on the included problems after every chapter? This is kind of the same. If you don't read a chapter and then learn to apply it immediately, you're shooting yourself in the foot. Get out there and approach women every time you learn something new. Do this: Read 2 or 3 approach theories- Go approach 10 or 20 women with those, see what works, and cut out what doesn't. Read comfort/attraction - Go try this out on 10-20 women. Read o…
/r/seduction23/12/10 06:43 PM
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The alpha doesn't do anything he doesn't want to. Do whatever you want, but maintain control and frame. If they leave to smoke, open another set. Abundance mentality.
/r/seduction22/12/10 09:23 AM
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So, you're pulling a direct approach? You're making your intentions clear, but your asking her to make you feel comfortable? Think about what you're trying to convey when you open. Yo're better off nervously telling her that you had to come say hi than telling her how scared you are of rejection.
/r/seduction21/12/10 04:58 PM
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Using direct openers and approaches during day game. Being very direct with your intentions. Being dominant, etc.
/r/seduction20/12/10 06:26 AM
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My two ways to handle a bad reaction: Ignore it. If you don't make a big deal out of it Be the bigger man and apologize for hurting her feelings. Don't walk away. Just be clear that you're not an asshole. Girls respond surprisingly well to that.
/r/seduction19/12/10 12:47 AM
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The intent of this post is possibly to identify some characteristics of a bad attempt or odd situation. If you're not failing, you're not trying hard enough :D Stop worrying about getting blown out, most girls aren't that cruel if you're not an asshole. you'd be surprised at how many guys get themselves blown out be being idiots.
/r/seduction19/12/10 12:36 AM
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Confidence has nothing to do with it, what you need is courage. You need to put yourself out there and be willing to fail many times to become the best person you can become.
/r/seduction18/12/10 02:37 AM
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I'm curious: what exactly are the duties of the moderator? Does s/he help newbies? Or just keep posts in line, update the glossary, etc.?
/r/seduction17/12/10 07:18 PM
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Is that why your username is what it it?
/r/seduction16/12/10 11:29 PM
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Which begs the question: how much money would you want to let Jack Black lick your face?
/r/seduction16/12/10 05:27 PM
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Some thoughts: Social proof and pre-selection will trump looks any day. Game will trump looks any day. Movies are unrealistic, but you picked up on his charisma and aura. Now try to come up with some version of it. Also, it's awesome how girls will let you get away with shit if you act like it's the most natural thing in the world for you. If you don't care about how fugly you think are, girls won't.
/r/seduction16/12/10 04:48 PM
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The more sets you approach, the better you get. Immersion will help rewire your body and your mind to be awesome. Start small, do indirect approaches and ask for directions or the time, or something. Then as you get more confident, transition. Set up some time to go out. Not bars/clubs if you don't like them. Go get fresh vegetables every day. Go spend some time in a coffee shop once a week. Start conversations with people around you. Join a lair. If nothing else it will give you a way to get ov…
/r/seduction16/12/10 04:43 PM
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How many hours a week are you out in field?
/r/seduction16/12/10 08:59 AM
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Practice practice practice. Social Immersion. I use that term a LOT. Try to involve yourself in as many activities involving friends and strangers. It will be awkward at first, but soon you'll get the hang of it. You just need to rewire your brain to work that way, and you can't reason your way into that. The only way is to train it by immersion.
/r/seduction14/12/10 09:51 PM
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From my experience (guys I've met/seen in field and are still coaching) - Luke Krogh is really awesome. Like really awesome. If I had to choose, I would take coaching from him El Topo's good, his body language stuff, etc. was really helpful DJ Fuji is solid, and my two friends who took long term Skype coaching are doing well, very well The people I know who took an AFC adam boot camp/ one-on-one in fiel d coaching are doing well.
/r/seduction13/12/10 03:17 AM
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Agreed. MM was designed for players who were already good to get 'higher social value' women. Not for 6s and 7s. Not for the guy starting out. Too many guys come into seduction expecting to get 9s and 10s without the legwork involved in getting good in the first place.
/r/seduction12/12/10 06:57 PM
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Your attitude is far more negative than it should be. You think you're being realistic, but you're not. Just as it's unattractive for a guy to be vain about his looks, it's just as bad for a guy who doesn't think his looks are good enough. Make the best of what you can, and play your strengths. I've seen many guys who I would consider to have less than attractive faces with beautiful women, because they don't give a fuck, are confident, and socially intelligent. And their personality and vibe ma…
/r/seduction12/12/10 06:06 PM
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Exactly. They need to convey so much more than just the words because they can't speak for long enough. There's almost never small talk or fluff in movies. Here's the thing though: remember when you're watching movies and it's apparent to the audience everything that's not being said. I think we can learn from that. To communicate non verbally, which I think is SO much more important than anything you can say. Most guys watch the movies to copy the crisp speaking patterns, and mannerisms and bod…
/r/seduction10/12/10 12:38 AM
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We're going to have to settle this dispute in field. Most # closes in a day wins.
/r/seduction07/12/10 08:01 PM
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If you're on campus, join a club. If you're still in college you have no excuse. You'll never have the chance to learn to be social ever again. Find things in common with people. Ask them questions about themselves. Not personal, but interests. Notice something about them. Is he wearing a cool T shirt? Ask him where he got it from. Is she eating food from a place you've been to and really like? Ask her for recommendations for other places. Add value to their responses. Too many guys say, "Cool" …
/r/seduction06/12/10 08:30 AM
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Wasn't thinking about getting a job at a coffee shop, I was suggesting bringing your laptop to a coffee shop and working from there. But it's a great idea anyway! If you can get a job talking to people, it will speed up your re-socializing. Think about it, you're forced to talk to people for hours on end. You'll learn more about it than from reading pick up material.
/r/seduction06/12/10 06:22 AM
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Quickie to calm her down? Nothing worse than being horny during a test....
/r/seduction06/12/10 01:29 AM
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Can you move your chair? Or can you make your target come sit by you?
/r/seduction03/12/10 10:01 PM
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Are you going to bars to drink or to practice your seduction. If you're in college, game your way into parties or do day game, it's just easier to "get some". Leave the bar sarging for later :D
/r/seduction03/12/10 09:58 PM
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Accept it gracefully.
/r/seduction01/12/10 08:05 AM
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Always, with anything, it's how you say stuff like that. I just don't think it conveys anything about you picking up girls, etc. It's funny and self-deprecating. I'd prefer making it funny and teasing. You're limiting your interaction to two minutes or so, going for the number before you've built a solid image in her mind. You want to leave on the BEST possible note. Not letting her wonder if you're serious or joking, or any of the other things. I don't believe self deprecating humor that portra…
/r/seduction01/12/10 03:23 AM
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I'm a shy dude, and I've only asked out a handful of girls in this time, so I was thinking maybe if I get the hang of this stuff I would get a decent amount of success. This. If you put yourself out there, you'll get some. Read up on some of this stuff, at least the opening part, and go have 10 conversations with women. For all I know I have some weird physical deformity or major creep vibe that I need to work on before I apply this stuff. Learn this stuff anyway. Focus on opening and comfort. O…
/r/seduction01/12/10 03:02 AM
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Are you standing close enough to them? If not, lean back and move your torso closer by a few inches every 20 seconds. You'll naturally start touching them. Even if you don't, remember the closeness will ramp up sexual tension. Before long, if you're doing things right, they'll start touching you.
/r/seduction01/12/10 02:43 AM
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Sounds solid, but don't expect a low flake rate. It's very Paul Janka like, but even he plays a numbers game with it. What's the purpose of the last line? I find that it's not conveying anything of value.
/r/seduction01/12/10 02:41 AM
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You have a wide variety of people in Lairs, from EXTREMELY socially awkward guys to guys who are normal to guys who are on their way up. You won't find Ed Hardy types. Well, maybe one or two. Here's what I learned: Don't get too hung up or dependent on the lair. Do the newbie missions/sarges. Pick your advice with care. Have a social life outside of pick up. Make friends with someone who's better than you and learn from them. Go to their speakers/etc. But take everything with a grain of salt. On…
/r/seduction01/12/10 02:32 AM
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You know, I thought I had a similar situation. But it was all in my head. There was something else in my game that was off. I wasn't being sexual enough. And I had other issues with my game. My advice - assume congruence and everything will fall into place. Work on other parts of your game.
/r/seduction29/11/10 07:50 PM
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Depends on the tone of the relationship at the point that you've been texting. You have to calibrate it to the tone that it was aid in. If she says it during rapport building don't be cocky.
/r/seduction26/11/10 09:10 PM
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Haha. Alamo?
/r/seduction20/11/10 07:29 PM
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It's not what you say, it's how you say it. With the right confident body language you can rock any sort of opener. On some nights I can say anything I want and get away with it. On others (like last night) I got blown out really early too many times. It's your vibe and how you feel and projecting your vibe everywhere.
/r/seduction20/11/10 01:34 AM
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You see a conversation as an exchange of information and ideas. Most guys do. Women see it as an exchange of emotions in addition to that, and they thrive off it. That's why they are so turned on by guys who are passionate. Try to see conversation as a game, as a battle of control between you and the other person. If you're not interested, change the topic. If you're bored, take something that they said and tease them about it. I like to be mentally stimulated at all times, making small talk bor…
/r/seduction20/11/10 01:26 AM
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If you can't find people on reddit, try: http://www.nyclair.com/ http://www.meetup.com/NYCLair/ http://newyorklair.com/ Google new york lair, there are a bunch of them.
/r/seduction18/11/10 09:18 PM
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Go in expecting to fail. When you see how nice girls can be you'll start to feel better. I haven't done this, but I know some guy who did this and it went excellently. Set aside a week, and go out for 4 hours a day, during the day, or the night. go to an area where you'd never go otherwise. Open sets. Start small. Open with simple questions/compliments. "Where's the restroom?" "What time does the bar close?" "I love that your scarf matches your eyes." Then transition with "you seem friendly, whe…
/r/seduction17/11/10 09:01 PM
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Go talk to them. "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take" - dunno who. All you need is a hi, and a situational/compliment opener. Be polite! Girls are so much friendlier during the day. They're also very polite if they're busy/not interested.
/r/seduction17/11/10 06:34 AM
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Go for it. If it doesn't work, you'll just be in the friend zone. Where you seem to be now. And if you're not weird around her if it doesn't work out, she won't be either. :D
/r/seduction17/11/10 06:31 AM
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Are you trying to build attraction? Or build rapport? Or both? Are you trying to qualify her as well? Because the stuff you talk about depends on that. I want to make a lasting impression on her (attraction + rapport) and also make her realize I like her (qualify).
/r/seduction17/11/10 02:28 AM
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I wish there was one place where guys could read about push pull/ teasing, etc, but they're all spread out among hundreds of forum posts and e books. Look at David DeAngelo's cocky-funny stuff, Mystery's bait-hook-reel-release stuff. AFC Adam has some stuff too in his Principles of Attraction book, under breaking rapport. I haven't read much pick up stuff, I'm trying to figure this stuff along as I go about doing it, I've really been trying to go out with people who are naturals and trying to ab…
/r/seduction16/11/10 09:19 AM
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I feel you man. I grew up in a limited-touch/contact-with-the-opposite-sex culture and I'm finding kino escalation to be hard as well, and this is and has always been my number one sticking point. Something I hear was every 15 seconds move closer to the girl, after you're isolated with her in any way. The proximity will create a lot of sexual tension, and since you're closer she'll touch you more.
/r/seduction16/11/10 04:42 AM
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Yes.
/r/seduction16/11/10 03:24 AM
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About LA waitresses, that was my guess. They're doing it till they get their big break, finish school or are new to the LA scene. Come to think of it, some of the girls that I've closed in one way or another were (Origin, time of residence in LA) Kansas, 2 months; Chicago suburbs, a month; Nebraska, ?? ; OC, 1 year. Service Industry girls are not my type either, unless she's really fun I won't try to bounce them or close them. In Austin, the social elite for nightlife seems to be service industr…
/r/seduction15/11/10 10:12 PM
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I am talking mostly about 6th, (west and east). I should have made that specific. I do know El Topo works the Austin hired gun scene, that's his specialty. Also did your friends pull closes while the girls were working? I haven't spent enough time here, these are just generalizations. I've just had more luck pulling waitresses in LA, and New Orleans.
/r/seduction15/11/10 09:25 PM
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I stuck to the CWE and Wash Ave. I know there are bars that are open till 3 am, but a majority closed at 12.30-1 (or wouldn't let you in after 12.45).
/r/seduction15/11/10 03:47 AM
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True that. I've been experimenting recently with intrigue, not talking about myself and never giving a straight answer, and women seem to respond better to it. Can't take that too far though.
/r/seduction14/11/10 12:46 AM
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Your boy won't care about this unless you show a willingness to walk away if he doesn't lock you down. If he is satisfied with the status quo, he's going to stay that way unless you threaten to change it with your attitude. If you show no ambition for a better mate, he won't try to be one. Also, there's so much written about how women can read body language subconsciously, but men can too, but are just not as good at processing the information as women. Are you subcommunicating neediness and ove…
/r/seduction14/11/10 12:39 AM
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Not for day game. Never had a bad interaction. As long as you're going direct, it's fine. The key is approach, tap, smile wait for a second for her to turn around and look at you and notice you're harmless, and then open. Don't blurt out your opener till she has had time to get used to your presence.
/r/seduction13/11/10 12:03 AM
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If you think he's too comfortable with your situation: Play hard to get. Don't always be there when he expects you. Do the hot date thing. Dress to kill and go out with your girlfriends! It makes me want a girl so much more when I see that she can have a life (and a sexy one at that) without me. Make him chase you a bit. I was never as interested in a girl as when I couldn't have her. On a purely seduction based note, draw him into a position of deep rapport before you have the talk(this is how …
/r/seduction12/11/10 11:56 PM
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Sexual escalation. Kino Creating chemistry with a woman. I'm from India and I've been in the US for 5 years and I don't come across as a foreigner at all. Most people are surprised when they learn that I'm not American. Socially I'm well adjusted but I have a hard time establishing kino or initiating sexual frames into the conversation since I've grown up in a sexually repressed country. I have a hard time moving from superficial flirting to verbally or physically escalating. I've been told that…
/r/seduction12/11/10 06:52 PM
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True. I like a very clean cut, classic style that's not showy but I think women pick up on the effort I put into details, for example: cufflinks with a shirt under a well fitting sweater, a watch that's inexpensive yet classic, the leather lining in the pockets of an otherwise well fitted yet conservative shirt, or a nice scarf (only when it's cold , of course). My body type isn't ideal (shorter torso, long legs, broad shoulders, with some weight that I could lose around the love handles, but ho…
/r/seduction09/11/10 06:45 AM
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Kills me. The nearest store to me is a 3 hour drive away. I usually have one of my friends in LA to run to the nearest one and grab me shirts/jackets/jeans and then mail it to me.
/r/seduction09/11/10 06:33 AM
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