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Social Issuesazazelcrowley/r/MensRights23/04/18 10:54 AM
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misandryazazelcrowley/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/26 01:28 PM
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Feminismazazelcrowley/r/MensRights17/08/19 08:26 PM
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Progressazazelcrowley/r/MensRights29/12/18 11:51 PM
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Feminismazazelcrowley/r/MensRights11/08/15 07:12 PM
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Analysisazazelcrowley/r/MensRights31/07/14 11:23 PM
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You can definitely break down child soldiers into categories. Firstly you have levee en masse from an existential defensive war or population being murderously persecuted, where the term "Child soldier" becomes sort of a misnomer in my opinion. In such circumstances they are basically "A human with a genuine need to defend their life who happens to be a child and has been handed a gun". (Example; The Jewish Ghetto Warsaw Uprising. Child soldiers were part of the uprising against the Nazi occupat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/26 09:45 PM
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They've taken observations which line up with "Freeing the prisoner also frees the guard" and Orwells "To shoot an elephant" and applied them where they don't really belong. The extent to which systems of oppression backfire on oppressors are very much worth understanding and investigating, but in other examples are entirely relegated to performance of the function of an oppressor. The British aren't out in Burma being disbelieved by colonial authorities about Burmese people attacking them becau…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/26 07:00 PM
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To say women are afraid is to say women are inferior. / To say you are afraid, is to say you are stupid. (Both fear and anger have proven results on cognition. When in this state the amygdala strengthens cognitive biases, struggles more to parse information, reaches conclusions faster but more sloppily, prevents understanding of wider contexts, impairs memory of things unrelated to the source of fear/anger, impairs empathy, redirects activity from the prefrontal cortex and towards areas governin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 07:45 AM
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Calling critics incels or ascribing sexual motives to their behaviour is sexual harassment incidentally. Consider that behaviour in another context whereby you insist someone wants to fuck you in as an explanation for them saying or doing something. In the workplace that would be a slam dunk case. Feminism has in effect organized, systematized, and normalized sexual harassment of male critics as a tool of control and power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/26 04:32 PM
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We tend to understand trauma through a gynocentric lens and based on typically female expressions of it rather than male ones. Women are considered twice as likely to experience PTSD because the metrics by which we determine if someone has it are based around their experiences. A man and a woman are both raped. The man becomes a drug addict and the woman develops an anxious personality. The woman is considered traumatized, the man is not. We regard the drug addiction as the mental problem rather…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 06:39 AM
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It depends on the locale. Russia, Iceland, and the Baltic states had more men executed than women, for example. It largely depends on who was doing most of the folk healing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 06:34 AM
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I agree with your conclusion. Another factor could be abusive persons and how they operate within the legal system. Abusive women may simply default to violence more quickly, whereas abusive men may feel the need to first exert less overt control due to the threat of legal consequences, providing a larger window of time for their partner to leave before violence occurs. This could be an extension of "Women aren't taught not to hit people" which also applies to the legal structure. I agree that s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 06:16 AM
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Here's what I would do; The debate will revolve around what "Beneficial" means and attempting to seize that ground. You must be aware of the ground the debate is fought on in order to stand a chance given the disadvantages you've laid out. It is possible to contest them on their own terms and point out the fallacies and such they will use to justify them, however, I would instead recommend questioning the premise by which they can claim to know what "Benefits men" means better than Men as a clas…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 05:56 AM
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A broad movement like this is probably preferable than a narrow one, especially if we want to avoid the insularity feminism has suffered from. We can/should work with these people on common causes and oppose/debate them where necessary.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 05:49 AM
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34978934/ Judgments by male participants of male victims of assaults carried out by women changed notably over time. The 2019 male cohort was less likely to judge that the victim initiated or encouraged the incident (40% in 1984 compared with 15% in 2019) and derived pleasure from it (47.4% in 1984 compared with 5.8% in 2019). In contrast, the 2019 female cohort was more likely to attribute victim encouragement (26.9% compared with 4.3% in 1984) and pleasure to th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 04:28 PM
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They'll defend it until one day it becomes something the patriarchy did, not feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 10:47 PM
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I compared it to crime rates. It's comparable to face-value accepting the claim that 201 billion black Americans are arrested every year. Or undocumented immigrants commit 110 million murders every year in the USA. Do the right wing make such claims? No. Not even they are that far gone. And even if we ignore this as a brain-fart, not even the right wing peddles anything as bad as the "99% of rapes are done by men" stat you frequently find in feminist spaces. It's a pattern of being unhinged and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 10:44 PM
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That's true, but my point is that this doesn't actually say all that much about reality in terms of the value of misandry v misogyny. Value is only determined by subjects and evaluators. Facts like these are useful for testing if someone is even an honest evaluator. For example if someone claims "Misogyny is worse" but is hostile to or denies such facts, that's a degree worse than saying "That may be true, but misogyny is still worse". The OP addresses the latter form of person where even if we …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/26 06:53 PM
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You shouldn't interact with them without being aware of the particular dynamics of that space. There can be female-dominated spaces that work out just fine. I think it's true that the larger a female-dominated space is, the more likely it is to turn into a shitshow in part because if it wasn't a shitshow it wouldn't be female dominated by the time it got that size. But if you're talking about for example a club with a twelve members and three are men, they can work out just fine. If you're talki…
/r/MensRights07/02/26 12:03 AM
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Another point I don't see made often, probably because we don't like to say it, is that there is an underlying reason for it in the toxification of male-female relationships arising from how men are treated. Women complaining that men only see them as useful for sex don't seem to do much thinking on why men don't seem to like them as people. (or rather, they do a lot of thinking about it, but all externally directed). Men meanwhile avoid thinking about it because it's somewhat painful, and will …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/25 07:48 PM
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Try writing a story or fanfiction. The problem is a disconnect between your rational beliefs and a compelling narrative. Working that out through writing is a good means of dealing with it. You may find that the narrative moments which you can't shake become replaced instead with your own ideas over time. If the coolest shit you've ever seen is propoganda for a political cause, it doesn't much matter if you know it's nonsense. it's going to be on your mind a lot. Any asshole can be cool though, …
/r/MensRights30/03/25 10:26 PM
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AFAIK it's basically held until a fine is paid and a course is attended. The efficacy of the course aside, it's frankly a pretty good scheme. My main concern would be that the course is probably just ideological nonsense and unlikely to change behaviour more than making them sit down and listen to someone read the dictionary for an hour until they promise not to do it again (Which will, to some extent, work). Because it will work to some extent, this will be taken as validation of the content of…
/r/MensRights13/10/24 09:31 PM
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AFAIK it's basically held until a fine is paid and a course is attended. The efficacy of the course aside, it's frankly a pretty good scheme. My main concern would be that the course is probably just ideological nonsense and unlikely to change behaviour more than making them sit down and listen to someone read the dictionary for an hour until they promise not to do it again (Which will, to some extent, work). Because it will work to some extent, this will be taken as validation of the content of…
/r/MensRights13/10/24 09:27 PM
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If HR messes it up that's when you make bank with a lawsuit.
/r/MensRights09/03/24 10:44 PM
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If you're reproving something, it must be reproved using methods no other paper has done for that question. Even if the methods are commonly known and published, and the thing you're proving is commonly known and published, if the two haven't been published together, it's fine. It's useful for flagging up weird shit. If there's a thing 9 methods say leads to X, and you use method 10 which says it leads to X, okay cool. But if it says it leads to Y, then we've got a problem. We've got something w…
/r/MensRights20/02/24 06:17 PM
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Hey, thanks for your great question. I would personally recommend a wide range of programs. Many programs attempt to apply a specific model to the entire male population. You could instead have a wide range of "Mini-projects" and then evaluate them based on requests and uptake. This would also help with grant application as if you explain that your grant is willing to take a punt on a wild and wackier form of shelter for a term while also maintaining others, and slowly retaining the ones with go…
/r/MensRights16/12/23 08:58 PM
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It may be sufficient just to voice your opinion when it's relevant to happenings or conversation. Men will notice the stance you're taking and appreciate it. Identification specifically as an MRA is not really necessary unless you find someone else committed to these issues, which, let's face it, is pretty weird no matter whose doing it, man or woman. "Caring" about a specific political issue to the extent of learning a lot about it is almost tautologically fringe behaviour that not everybody en…
/r/MensRights03/12/23 02:26 PM
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Parliament doesn't run Britain either really. The ruling class does. Arguing that the monarchs are symbolic is largely the point. It's an apt retort when some feminist starts whining about how the supreme court or senate is full of men so we must be a patriarchy. But I personally prefer "There are zero billionaires in the senate" and see how long it takes for them to cotton on. Usually they just start acting in bad faith, you know how it is. The feminist uses a similarly childish and superficial…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/23 08:59 AM
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There needs to be a non-carceral means of helping people who claim to be victims of abuse, both for the sake of victims whose abusers are found not guilty, and for the sake of the falsely accused. The false dichotomy presented between thinking Spacey should be treated as innocent and thinking claimants should not be supported is one we should reject.
/r/MensRights26/07/23 07:21 PM
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It's not as bad in some countries media industries. The UK for instance. While still present, there's a lot of ordinary or even ugly looking actors and actresses. However it doesn't appear to have made pretty privilege actually disappear from society. Just within that specific industry. And, thinking about it, I would not be surprised if the pretty people get paid more. Still a step forward to have jobs and representation at all, but eh... It also causes issues. We've had some internal conflict …
/r/MensRights25/07/23 10:40 PM
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It's only hypocritical if you assume they're sincere in their stated intentions. If you're just straight up acting in bad faith, it's not hypocrisy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/23 09:36 PM
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If the opposition operated in good faith it would hurt it. But they were going to find any excuse to dismiss criticism, even a bad one. It will hurt the cause if we decide to make Musk some kind of figurehead for this argument rather than dismiss it as "his opinion which I happen to agree with.".
/r/MensRights25/07/23 05:32 PM
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They need men to actively dedicate their efforts to making women independent. If they refuse to do so or take time for themselves, it's apparently because they want women to fail.
/r/MensRights25/07/23 05:23 PM
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God damn, I guess complex thought and nuance are totally lost on you. The fact you actually said "feminist subhumans" tells me everything I need to know about you. You completely missed the point, untermench. That you're complaining about being called it just proves it applies, right? That's how this works? Or you wouldn't have thought I was talking about you. To reply to such a direct and blunt comparison of your own behavior with "You're not capable of complex thought", when apparently you are…
/r/MensRights25/07/23 05:10 PM
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Or this entire post wouldn't even exist. How do you figure? A fairly prominent figure is mentioning anti-feminism. That should prompt discussion on an anti-feminist subreddit don't you think? If you felt targeted by my words, which were broad and non-specific to any single person here "You guys" applies to every single person here. then I guess you happen to fit that demographic. Cry harder. Well, feminist subhumans do tend to think this way. Ofcourse if you take issue with that language, I gues…
/r/MensRights25/07/23 05:05 PM
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You "guys" are so fragile. + If this movie bothered you, then you're not the man you think you are. It doesn't need to be "Real man" directly to be invoking the same tropes and sentiment. You also ignored that the two most upvoted posts in the thread are from a man and a woman. One is focused on talking about Elon Musk (The man), and one is talking about the movie (The Woman). It's fairly clear you're not actually paying attention to what's going on around you and are criticizing a caricature th…
/r/MensRights25/07/23 04:59 PM
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Downvoted for "Real man"-ist crap. Find a better way to convey your point.
/r/MensRights25/07/23 04:55 PM
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The issue isn't the cartoonish view of patriarchy. It's that it's then contrasted with a matriarchy which while acknowledged to be bad is presented as vastly better than the patriarchy for everyone involved. This carries implications. Imagine a movie where you've got a society with only white people in charge and black people as their willing servants. The problems it portrays are entirely psychological. "This isn't very fulfilling for black people.". It is contrasted with a society where there …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/23 10:36 PM
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When the conversation goes on long enough, you realize something funny: they have absolutely no idea why they're angry. Because they enjoy lashing out at men and seek rationalizations for it. There is no deeper reason.
/r/MensRights16/07/23 04:54 PM
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New Atheism was a process of epistemological inquiry which feminism cannot survive being subjected to. How do you know that Keep in mind the difference between Objective and Subjective. Feminism is built upon a conflation of the objective and subjective. They examine the way the world is, and then say "And therefore, women are oppressed.". If you force them to undergo epistemological inquiry, you force them to amend that conclusion considerably because "Power" is an essentially contested concept…
/r/MensRights12/07/23 08:49 AM
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They might be interpreting "always" to be doing a lot of work there. If you got rid of that and just asked "Is it wrong for women to have an affair" you might get much higher results. "Always" draws your attention to potential edge cases like forced marriage and so on. What's more interesting is the disparity in answers based on gender where that explanation can't hold up. Without that, i'd roll my eyes about the poll question. As the structure of the study is built around gender disparity it ca…
/r/MensRights12/04/23 10:37 PM
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Even with the unilaterally defined set of behaviors it's 50/50. We're in a situation where the shit women care about has been called domestic abuse and it's 50/50. If we took mens testimony seriously we'd see that list of behaviors expand to include shit men care about, and we'd probably be the majority of victims.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/23 12:40 PM
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Hey man I appreciate the comment. I'm happy to discuss epistemology and conceptualization any time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/23 08:42 AM
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Sure. An example would be the treatment of societies without the written word as incapable of communicating dense information like writing. (This was engaged in a lot). The Inca would use the Quipu for instance. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Inca_Quipu.jpg (This is dense with information, and equivalent to a book, and you can be taught to "read" it). But despite being told that repeatedly, because it didn't align with the experiences of western powers, they dismissed that a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/23 09:08 PM
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willful hermeneutical ignorance is 'the propensity to dismiss whole aspects of the experienced world by refusing to become proficient in the epistemic resources required for attending to those parts of the world well'. An example would be a blind person who outright dismisses people talking about things they see and insisting they are just crazy. Or somebody who cannot read not only refusing to read, but refusing to accept anybody else can either. Any knowledge that comes from a source they view…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/23 08:57 PM
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They're shocked because of wilful hermeneutical ignorance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/23 02:37 PM
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Woman refuses to learn from the consequences of woman-centered conversations like the Duluth model, adamantly ignores institutional misandry and how it comes into being, acts like others are being unreasonable for preventing history repeating itself, volume <insert number of times feminists have opened their mouths>. Doesn't understand why everyone is calling her a misandrist doing misandry (Because she deliberately refuses to understand it and actively doesn't want to examine the consequences o…
/r/MensRights17/03/23 12:20 PM
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It's feminist theory which has rotted their brains.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 11:38 PM
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Thankyou for your support and engagement. I'd say that the MRM is currently more of a grassroots movement of men sharing experiences and while there are texts on the topic, none have managed to be fully supported or comprehensive. There is no particular doctrine beyond an awareness of the problem and desiring to fix it where it arises. There are some texts but keep in mind none are definitive or universally accepted and in my opinion all have omissions. Which area in particular are you passionat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/23 12:24 PM
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Go for it :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/23 07:24 PM
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You've had some answers about being a man. I'll try some answers about being a transman (I am not one, but a friend of mine is). Until you pass as a masculine man, you're probably going to get some men hitting on you, mostly because "A woman with a mans brain, please sign me up". If you're a feminine man this probably won't stop. They don't mean anything cruel by it and they're just shooting their shot. Not everybody is going to have a firm grasp of trans issues beyond a vague tolerance. Even mo…
/r/MensRights13/02/23 10:01 AM
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This assumes they'd rather admit fault than destroy society to avoid taking responsibility.
/r/MensRights06/02/23 10:26 AM
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Every study should have that. This one doesn't appear to acknowledge other perspectives on the problem, merely limitations on their method of data gathering.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/23 06:22 PM
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I'd agree if the study acknowledged this as an area for further study or alternative explanation in the conclusion rather than acting like it has found a definitive causal link.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/23 06:10 PM
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They need a way to rationalize their lack of empathy and so go through these stages rather than admit it about themselves because they are terrified of accountability.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/23 08:35 PM
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"Reactionary movements are in fundamental tension with reality, and this tension eventually reaches the point of psychological crisis, a point where reality itself becomes an enemy and only their perspective holds any truth... Through sheer force of will to beat reality into a shape of their choosing, a simple world, where everything is exactly as they see it through their eyes. Where they are right, and their critics are silent. They're going to build a flat earth." - Dan Olson on reactionary m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/23 08:24 PM
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If anybody wants an academic basis for arguing this, you can go to Gallie's paper "Essentially contested concepts" or the wiki page and give that a read. Equality is listed as one, as is equity. You will not find a relevant academic who thinks it is not a contested concept. A contested concept is one for which there are multiple incompatible views on what it means and none of which can be conclusively said not to count. The feminist assertion that "Feminism means equality" is a straightforward a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/23 08:23 PM
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The rights of an American child aren't what the American state gives a shit about. It's a dodge to hide the fact they're enforcing female privilege for American women.# So if the child is American but the woman isn't, the state doesn't give a shit and will actively resist you, as you experienced. We probably need to acknowledge more how feminism is racist in addition to misandrist. White women are in fact the beneficiaries of this arrangement, and often hide behind "Women" as a category to act l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/23 09:09 PM
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Feminists: "Putting us into insane asylums for being feminists was misogyny" Also Feminists: "We're a danger to others as a result of our mental issues and that's something you just have to accept.".
/r/MensRights15/01/23 10:03 PM
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Where did you get so much wisdom on the topic? Hey man cheers, i'm glad it resonates with you. For the most part, personal experience coupled with reading a shitload of stuff. Reading your reply definitely blows me away and it's like that inner voice I have about wormen lol, similar to your reply We all know this stuff. We just need to be told we're not crazy and other men know it too. I guess, I would love to have sex simply put. Is it the physical act and pleasure, or the social ramifications …
/r/MensRights05/01/23 12:25 AM
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Why do you want a woman OP? I think it's important to understand what precisely it is you imagine you will gain from sex or a womans company before we can determine if its worth the effort for you. It's important to interrogate whether or not you actually want these things as ends in themselves, or whether you have internalized them being presented as ends in themselves as "Obvious" because societal discourse treats what a woman actually does to benefit a man as obvious (Chiefly so they don't ac…
/r/MensRights04/01/23 11:47 PM
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Hypoagency doesn't describe it, because hypoagency would imply that men are responsible for all the good and women none of the good as well. Instead we see female agency portrayed as a source of good but never evil, and male agency as a source of evil but never good.
/r/MensRights23/12/22 03:22 PM
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They don't have principles. They have enemies.
/r/MensRights22/12/22 01:54 PM
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Can report all posts supporting the sexual assault under rule 13 btw. See if the mods are pro male rape and that's why their community has turned out this way.
/r/MensRights28/11/22 07:58 PM
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They don't care that it's not accurate because they can just revert to histrionics if you challenge them on it, and since they have power, that's all they need to do. Flip out and leverage that power against you to shut you up or ostracize you.
/r/MensRights25/11/22 01:50 AM
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The feminist defect on full display here. Make society hostile to men and then infantilize men for not participating in it equally.
/r/MensRights09/11/22 11:57 AM
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This sounds like the kind of shit I would do and then fail every student who didnt call me out.
/r/MensRights09/11/22 11:56 AM
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Infants dont get to make decisions. Do not fall for feminist propaganda about how their unaccountability is infantilization. An infant makes no decisions and has no accountability. A tyrant makes decisions and has no accountability.
/r/MensRights09/11/22 11:51 AM
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AKA; "Feminism brainwashed me into breaking the law, discriminating against men, and I knew it at the time, but considered it fine because feminism taught me it was.".
/r/MensRights25/10/22 03:10 PM
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Precisely. They aren't for women. They're against men.
/r/MensRights25/10/22 03:09 PM
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In that hypothetical, I expect it would depend on why. I think if women, all women, had sat down and talked about the ethics of anti-natalism and come to the conclusion that we should end the species, some men would agree, some would strongly disagree but respect their right to make that decision, and some would support forcing them anyway. Broadly I think the former two would win out but perhaps not. I think if it were an emergent phenomena of a tragedy of the commons "Every individual woman ha…
/r/MensRights24/10/22 12:20 PM
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Feminism addled women are not capable of hiding it because they don't see anything wrong with it. Simply be open about being anti-feminist and they'll flip out. Then avoid those ones.
/r/MensRights18/10/22 08:23 PM
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Top 10 lists are good content though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/22 02:46 PM
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Think I just became subscriber 100 :) Thanks for your work. EDIT: You covered the topics really well and with style.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/22 02:03 PM
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stares at the police homicide figures stares at workplace fatalities stares at suicide rates etc. Misandry is a systematic and institutionalized form of killing. Misogyny is just some random citizen. Precisely the opposite of what feminists claim is the case, and this response is a good insight into how they lack a sociological imagination when convenient for them to keep dismissing mens complaints.
/r/MensRights09/10/22 09:21 AM
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They wouldn't report this these days. Note the date, 2015.
/r/MensRights06/10/22 08:54 AM
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In other words, households with women either earn 17% more than households with men, or equal to households with men. And they Still bitch about it endlessly and claim to earn less.
/r/MensRights04/10/22 10:05 PM
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Also feminists over the past week; "Why are men under 30 suddenly anti-feminist?".
/r/MensRights04/10/22 04:47 PM
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They use toxic masculinity as a term because "Toxic Masculinist" doesn't exist whereas "Misandrist" does, and they want to avoid being held responsible for their behavior. It's a way of making it a broad societal problem rather than an ideology advanced by specific actions and individuals who should be held accountable. Functionally they mean broadly the same thing, however "Toxic Masculinity" also allows them to subtly conflate misandry with mens attitudes or something about masculinity rather …
/r/MensRights02/10/22 08:01 PM
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This is not how the UK works. See the post you're responding to for an explanation. It is against the law to ask people that question in the UK except in a social setting. It's a violation of their right to privacy.
/r/MensRights01/10/22 03:39 PM
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I agree with you. The poster is confusing your police record, where this stuff will still show up, and the criminal record. The criminal record only counts unspent convictions. (In the UK, your criminal record is wiped clean 5 years after release, 7 years for some crimes, and 10 years if it's a crime to do with fraud/theft from an employer and so on. The sex offender registry is an exception.). The police record is not a thing anybody except the police give a shit about, and largely for investig…
/r/MensRights01/10/22 03:35 PM
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It's questionable to call her a sex addict in this context and forms a poisoning of the well reliant on sex negativity imo. Especially as she describes herself as a "Recovered" one. She's right, incidentally.
/r/MensRights21/09/22 10:53 AM
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In my experience, the only people who have mocked or belittled me for expressing my emotions have been other men. How much interaction with women do you have? Toxic masculinity is an issue in my opinion because a lot of men view other men who try to express their emotions as “weak” or “feminine”. This isn't really the case. I'll also note that a supermajority of men view the term as sexist and abusive, so you should stop using it if you care about mens feelings.
/r/MensRights21/09/22 10:51 AM
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"Our" culture. By which they mean feminist culture. MRA's know how to talk about it. The issue is that feminists can't handle it being discussed in a productive fashion.
/r/MensRights21/09/22 10:50 AM
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Gynocentrism covers all of it as well as similarities between traditionalist misandry and feminism.
/r/MensRights21/09/22 10:45 AM
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She was a good woman open to changing her mind faced with new evidence. F.
/r/MensRights09/09/22 08:53 AM
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300 bucks at current rates, which would decline due to bulk buying and guaranteed custom. "In U.S. dollars, it costs $2,300 on average for a vaginal delivery or planned C-section in the U.K., or $3,400 for a more complicated procedure. By contrast, it costs $30,000 for the former and $50,000 for the latter in the U.S."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/22 11:06 PM
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You know how some men blame women for "making him" attracted to her and lashes out? That, but with extra steps of rationalization and a lack of self-awareness shoved into the middle. "Masculine men 'make me' feel things and get confused so now I'm going to lash out.". It might be even more divorced from reality than the male version in part because of a societal emphasis on women not being sexual, which makes their lack of self-awareness and refusal to take responsibility for their own feelings …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/22 01:30 PM
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I think what's crucial here is that once you understand this, you can understand why it's not appropriate to have this aspiration for feminism because it is historically hostile and sexist to men. It's akin to wanting the confederate flag to mean a free southern USA but without the racism. It's not really yours to reclaim in terms of symbolism if you aren't the group it has victimized.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/22 04:09 PM
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I don't see any major issues with your stances that haven't been covered elsewhere, however I do think that it's besides the point for your relationship where the issue is more likely to be his displeasure at feminist framing and feminist terminology. The emotional impact of an attempt at even handedness like yours is to bolster what is tantamount to a hate movement in all but the most academic of settings. If you wouldn't go "On the other hand, here's what's good about the confederacy" to a bla…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/22 01:17 PM
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It always was.
/r/MensRights25/08/22 01:08 AM
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They would recognize "Astrology" when shown it and agree "That person is doing astrology".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/08/22 03:47 PM
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Ah, but they agree on what it means, they just don't agree on whether it works or not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/08/22 01:00 PM
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I think broadly speaking if you say "Astrology", you'll get people to agree on what that means in principle. This is distinct from "Power" or "Justice" where no definition can ever be satisfactory without deliberately being narrow minded and ignoring how your definition ignores perfectly valid other interpretations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/22 11:22 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essentially_contested_concept Further reading :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/22 05:06 PM
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(Academia speak, feel free to ask for clarifications). The core part of the myth of male power I find relevant is the fact it points out that "power" is an essentially contested concept, which has implications if we allow one group to define "Power" in ways that suit themselves to the exclusion of other conceptions of it that disadvantage them. This is studied here for example; https://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article/men-feel-less-powerful-their-private-lives#:~:text=Men%20perceive%20themselves…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/22 06:34 PM
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This is certainly extremely revealing. They retreat to "Patriarchy hurts men too" when you bring up actual issues men face and have prepared responses if you talk about them. But if they don't know that you know, they will either pretend men don't face issues until you point out you're not an idiot, or they will list trivial ones first. It is an insight into their psychology and how they're either operating in bad faith and simply want to diminish and excuse away mens issues and don't like to ad…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/22 12:37 AM
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Part of the issue is that we have tied mens status in society to womens approval, an aspect of gynocentrism, and then decided the way women demonstrate approval is by sexual intercourse. Seeking status and not receiving it is part of the issue here. What's noteable is the way men are treated in regards to this compared to women when they complain about lack of status.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/22 12:30 AM
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Hurting themselves in confusion is basically their full time job.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/22 03:00 PM
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The system does not pick a representative distribution of the population that is out of wack. It's not like men are represented but overrepresented and women are represented but underrepresented. Congress represents the interests and views of a system of capital. The views of those in congress would not substantially change even if you changed their demographics, because people who hold views that the economic and political system uplifts would still be selected. It would be a surface level chan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/22 01:41 PM
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There is no consensus on trans men within the MRM, much like there isn't within feminism. I am personally pro-trans.
/r/MensRights16/07/22 08:02 AM
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Unfortunately for everyone that's the biology, and it gives women all the choices in this particular issue. There is no biological mechanism that places men in prison if they refuse to hand money over to women, that is a societal decision. If you have a good solution I'm interested in hearing it, but you'd need to address the concern of allowing genuine deadbeats to simply abandon pregnancies for any reason or none, which is not reasonable. And why is it not reasonable? If a woman wants a child …
/r/MensRights09/07/22 08:44 AM
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If this were actually the case rather than gaslighting men to defend womens interests, we would prosecute women who don't name fathers for denying their child access to what is "rightfully theirs" and so on. We don't. Because it's about what the woman wants, not what the child is entitled to.
/r/MensRights09/07/22 07:55 AM
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"Because they have to carry the kids" is a fine explanation for the in-built inequality of "How come she can decide to abort but I can't tell her not to". The consequence is that men have no control over children they want to be born being killed. That is consequence enough. It does not justify children they want nothing to do with being forced on them anyway.
/r/MensRights09/07/22 07:53 AM
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The answer to pretty much any of these double standards is; "Because women want it that way." or "Because women are deluding themselves about what the solution to the double standard is". Example: Woman has 10,000 pounds. Man has 0. We're supposed to have an equal amount, apparently. The woman then either just insists this be the status quo, or spends ages blathering about how we should stop "attacking" her and she also wants us to be equal and that's why we need to support her solution of searc…
/r/MensRights09/07/22 07:51 AM
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Right, but if we take my actual example, is that not a man creating toxic stereotyping? I agree that it would be, yes. Also I think these things differ incredibly much with demographic and geographical location, as well as local culture and are much too complex to be put into such terms as "men per definition always better". In terms of societal trends, we can say "Single motherhood is the cause of X". While edge cases are worth discussing, they shouldn't distract from the main problem.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 11:54 AM
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https://www.fox26houston.com/houstons-morning-show/fathers-influence-in-raising-empathetic-considerate-children The research suggests otherwise. When we think of teaching skills such as consideration for others and empathy, we think more of moms having the greater influence. But new research has shed light on the fact that dad’s engagement in the family has more influence with raising empathetic and considerate children. The researchers found that fathering was the strongest factor in determinin…
/r/MensRights04/07/22 11:34 AM
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Women are teachers at much higher levels such that a girl can obtain a role model during development, and their media depictions aren't demonizing them but rather lionizing them. The presence of a male role model in a girls upbringing is actually good for them avoiding toxicity as a result of this, though they do also need female role models, they have those in abundance already IMO. Likewise I would think that a boy raised by a single father without exposure to female role models would probably…
/r/MensRights04/07/22 11:28 AM
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Children look to role models for their gender. A single father can provide a role model for a son in a way a single mother cannot. Absent a father a child will look to the media for a role model, and the media depicts men as cariacatures and demonizes them.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 11:04 AM
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It's pragmatic politics. If you give one side everything they want you've given up your leverage. Offer them a package deal or nothing at all.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 09:14 PM
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https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Mean-duration-of-infant-eye-contact-with-male-and-female-interacters-at-Visits-1-and-2_fig4_225194835 Eye contact. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/infant-touch/ Importance of physical contact in infancy on mental and biological health for life. "Kazemian L, Widom C, Farrington DP. A prospective examination of the relationship between childhood neglect and juvenile delinquency in the Cambridge study in delinquent development." is what you'll need to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/22 03:52 PM
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Boys are held less than girls and so on as well. Mothers make less eye contact with male infants. Most childhood neglect cases are of boys, and so on. Blaming the immune system presupposes that the differences in the immune systems are natural and not a result of parents misandrous tendencies and neglect of their children. At the very least it's a gap that can be thinned by addressing this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/22 03:39 PM
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There have been 909 family annihilation murder-suicides between 2000 and 2010. Let's assume they were all done by men. This represents 90.9 a year. There are 130 male suicides in the USA every single day. To be proportionate then, mention the family annihilation on the day it happens, and mention suicides on the day they happen. Do you think that sounds fair? Or is that still not good enough for the hateful mind of the feminist? In fact let's keep it proportionate. If we assume 8 hours, as in, w…
/r/MensRights24/05/22 08:50 PM
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Feminists. Always. Project.
/r/MensRights24/05/22 08:43 PM
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In spain they're trial running a 4 day working week. Which means 16 days a month. So really it's 16 V 13. 13 is around 81% of 16.
/r/MensRights11/05/22 10:49 PM
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People don't work 30 days a month. In spain they're trial running a 4 day working week. Which means 16 days a month. So really it's 16 V 13. 13 is around 81% of 16.
/r/MensRights11/05/22 10:48 PM
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It strengthens our argument because it places us in a negotiation position. Instead of demanding they give us something for nothing anymore, we can instead refuse to help them get abortion rights. Instead, we push for a "Consent to parenthood" ammendment and refuse to back anything else. They can howl about how we're killing women and we'll say; "Nope. You can support the ammendment too." and they'll scream "Just back abortions" and we can simply refuse. We need to become the key demographic the…
/r/MensRights04/05/22 06:58 PM
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I think it is an opportunity if we push for a "Consent to parenthood" ammendment and refuse to compromise away our rights. Say they can get their abortions if they come vote for that ammendment. If we can even act as a vote spoiler effect they will eventually have to cave. 49-47-4. They need the 4. They'll just have to cope with men having rights too, or admit they'd rather have no rights if it means men also have no rights.
/r/MensRights04/05/22 06:56 PM
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So they've put a feminist in charge of the ministry of truth. This isn't surprising.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/22 10:53 PM
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True Crime is trashy in that you don't need to pay close attention to it and can switch off, but is mildly informative and entertaining along a number of vectors. (Psychology, criminology, history, and so on for informative. Horror, crime, police proceedural for entertainment). I find most of the women who indulge in it do so along the vein of popcorn munching and not paying much attention to it. It's quite a condensed form of media to consume that combines multiple genres. This might also help …
/r/MensRights30/04/22 06:32 PM
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There's studies showing that the amount of work caused by having to look after someone else as well as yourself in terms of housework amounts to an extra hour of work a day. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-housework-husbands-idUSN0441782220080404 (Like instead of cleaning up after yourself, you clean up after both of you, and so on.). If you were to value housework as the top 5% in terms of valued work (The top 5% is 200,000) and convert that to an hourly rate, it's 96 dollars an hour. The ex…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/22 11:49 AM
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I think this is the big thing that people need to come to terms with. The reason they argue with you and all that is because if they just came out and said "Yes we're violating your rights and view you as subhuman and no we don't care" then you might get ideas. They don't care about you. There is nothing you can say to make them care about you. The only thing you can do is make it more costly for them to continue behaving this way than to give up power. This is the lesson civil rights movements …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 10:23 PM
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It's not men displaying weakness. It's men displaying humanity that causes people to lash out. Weakness is just one way to do that. For example, men displaying desire is also demonized.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/22 04:05 PM
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They do not have principles. They have enemies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/22 04:03 PM
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I think that if you're a Mr Rogers type of pro-life person then potentially yes. He never argued it should be illegal or tried to shame anybody for having one. He stated his position that all life was sacred and all individuals were beautiful and people should view all life being brought into the world as a good thing, and would encourage you to be your babies neighbor and so on. (It's worth noting he was a radical pacifist who was jailed for refusing to go to war, and a vegetarian as well, whic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/22 08:51 AM
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You'll find none of the feminist or womens subs discussing it either, because they don't like to acknowledge this stuff.
/r/MensRights21/04/22 06:46 PM
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Gynocentrism in action. They can only view things from the female perspective and view men as a source of problems for women, not as human beings, even when viewing them as human beings would address the issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/22 11:55 AM
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You joke but if it were to happen, because they don't know any other mode of thinking or explaining reality by this point, they'd turn inward and find some new way to scapegoat half the population. As we've seen it's based on gynocentrism and persistent framing tactics so you don't even need to be different. These are people who took a 50/50 DV split and turned it into a "Womens issue.". They could up and decide women born on even days were the root of all evil and oppressing women born on odd d…
/r/MensRights16/04/22 09:02 AM
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I think this is a privilege that only certain countries can entertain. Nations under existential threat have the draft. Ukraine, Israel, South Korea, and so on have one. Israel drafts both men and women. The other two only draft men. I think it's more plausible to suggest that countries in existentially threatening situations have the local knowledge to know if a draft is necessary, but that there's never a good reason to draft only men. We can say countries like the US don't need the draft and …
/r/MensRights15/04/22 11:41 PM
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Thankyou for your support.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 11:39 PM
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I'm more concerned that even when it's legalized it will still be culturally understood that a womans breasts are sexual in many contexts. Women will continue not to show their breasts in public because they understand this too. Feminists however will exploit the law to flash men in public while protesting while being protected by the law and then claim victim if the men take offence to being sexually harassed in that manner, calling the man sexist for doing so. The "Breasts aren't sexual" point…
/r/MensRights15/04/22 11:29 PM
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I'm more concerned that even when it's legalized it will still be culturally understood that a womans breasts are sexual in many contexts. Women will continue not to show their breasts in public because they understand this too. Feminists however will exploit the law to flash men in public while protesting while being protected by the law and then claim victim if the men take offence to being sexually harassed in that manner, calling the man sexist for doing so. The "Breasts aren't sexual" point…
/r/MensRights15/04/22 11:25 PM
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They just want an excuse to spread fear, hate, and paranoia about men. They're not interested in whether that fear, hate, and paranoia is reasonable.
/r/MensRights03/04/22 06:06 PM
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I think it's a term that may have some use if describing something like "I feel shit about not being manly enough even though I know logically that's silly. I try not to treat other men differently because of it.". That is a fully internal struggle, or at the very least we can concede this intention on the person's part even if it bleeds out on occasion. This is also true of women who may have internalised misandry. I object to calling it internalised misandry when a man is being misandrist outw…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/22 04:02 PM
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I think you're conflating some people here. I would list only one of these responses as defensive; they immediately question my intentions upon messaging them The others are just garden variety assholes and you don't owe them anything. These ones you don't necessarily owe anything to either, but there's more of a case to be made that approaching them could be productive. I'd need more context. Are you messaging these men first? That's both good but also likely to make some men suspicious. Being …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/22 02:37 PM
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Top post and replies demonstrate they're not acting in good faith.
/r/MensRights24/03/22 01:52 PM
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This is good evidence that the measurements of wellbeing used by major institutions are fundamentally gynocentric and this is an injustice against men. I'll explain what I mean. Let's suppose that the measure of wellbeing we use is "Got pregnant as a result of war-rape." and this is all you measure for. You go out and survey the population and find "Ah, womens wellbeing is worse.". Similarly, if you had a measure of wellbeing that was purely "Got castrated by war-wound" you'd receive the opposit…
/r/MensRights16/03/22 04:31 PM
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I’ll probably get banned for this, but the overwhelming feminist response to the draft is that there shouldn’t be one, period. Why would feminists argue for inclusion in something they find fundamentally unethical? Why would you expect them to? Wouldn’t you then call them out for not sticking to their beliefs? Not all countries have the ability to scrap the draft and remain safe. Once you understand that, it becomes a matter of "When the nation is under threat of invasion, whom do we draft".
/r/MensRights16/03/22 04:16 PM
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MRAs do a lot on this topic. I'd encourage you to look up the NCFM as an example. You also claim feminists are the ones pushing this issue, but you erased male victims in your argument at first. You appear to only "Push for it" when people criticize you on that basis. It's like if someone constantly ignores trans people and uses rhetoric that marginalizes then until someone points this out and then they assert "I've done more for trans people than any of you!" and recite a bunch of stuff they ne…
/r/MensRights16/03/22 04:13 PM
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Voting honestly doesn't matter as much in the UK as pestering your MP and other officials. Coordinate with like minded persons if you can to do so.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/22 12:24 AM
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I know it's gauche, but I just had to comment that I had no idea M+M discourse was this old.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/22 12:22 AM
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Reminder that the Vietnam war and draft was a major point for the civil rights movement, including the famous speech by Muhammad Ali openly saying he won't be drafted because he's not treated equally by American society and if given a gun he'd just kill his commanding officer, and called for other black men to do the same. Can you even imagine the reaction if it was a black only draft? And the same people who whine about "More important" stuff. I bet you if you got them at a different time and s…
/r/MensRights06/03/22 12:14 AM
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Feminists were projecting and hating men for the feminists own behaviors and traits. What a shock. Unheard of. Unprecedented.
/r/MensRights06/03/22 12:05 AM
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Do you think they'd just throw a tantrum, or would they backpeddle if you said something like; "Okay. So... if someone backs out on a contract for say, lifelong partnership, does that make all the sex that happened once she files for divorce rape as well?". They don't actually have this principle. Not really. They're merely using it when convenient to be angry at men. If conditional consent and breach of contract were rape, then divorce would probably be rape. They will never agree to that being…
/r/MensRights05/03/22 11:54 PM
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"Accept biological differences in the workplace" "You're earning less because you take time off due to periods." "No, not like that.".
/r/MensRights05/03/22 11:46 PM
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A big part of the hate was mass false reporting on an SPLC report. https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/reddit-mens-rights-hate-group-splc/ Daily dot later issued a retraction, many other publications didn't.
/r/MensRights13/02/22 08:45 PM
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Segregation is inefficient. Part of the issue here is that gym equipment was going unused while queues were forming for the same equipment. This apparently prompted the lawsuit from the members who were bored of being told they can't use half the gym when it was empty. I do think there's an argument to be made for privacy of this kind, but there is an issue with women/men only facilities and it's one we should be honest about in part because otherwise people will demand privacy and pretend there…
/r/MensRights26/01/22 08:56 PM
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Why exactly is that a productive use of time compared to reigning people in from taking claims at face value, given that people like OP are often in a traumatized mental state?
/r/MensRights24/01/22 01:26 PM
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I'd rather that we tell people who aren't currently traumatized to be aware that allegations may be false and to treat them skeptically rather than tell traumatized people to not accuse others, because only one of those has a realistic chance of working and doesn't place the burden of skepticism onto vulnerable individuals.
/r/MensRights24/01/22 12:57 PM
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It doesn't explain why women in left wing parties uphold it. Left wing parties can and have had movements which the media villifies and opposes at every step. But never one to throw feminists out of the party.
/r/MensRights24/01/22 10:44 AM
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Even if true, that is the kind of cognitive behavior which is pretty normal and would come out through discussion of his feelings and experiences, with prompts about the cognition involved in a therapeutic process. "They made me feel X?" "How did they make you feel something?" "Well, I suppose I feel X because they Y." "Why did Y make you feel X?" "I don't know." "Did it make you feel X or do you think you should feel X?" "It made me feel X." "Is it because it contradicts your image of yourself?…
/r/MensRights24/01/22 10:40 AM
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The fact that people who "Hate this dogshit community" are frequenting this thread doesn't give you some pause to consider whether the thread accurately represents the communities views? If you sort by controversial you might notice that certain comments are much more controversial than others, but have more upvotes. I wonder what could explain that. Maybe go ask your Lib friends.
/r/MensRights24/01/22 12:23 AM
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I'll tentatively place the blame on reddit for this one. This particular thread is anomalous on this topic, and the psychological factors of "Herp derp, this is upvoted, therefore i'll also upvote" are well documented by this point. That and this thread is posted in anti-MR spaces and they're particularly noxious. I would not be surprised if they're upvoting the comment. One arsehole gets in earlier, a second arsehole gets in 2nd, and it often snowballs from there. If a pattern emerges it'd be w…
/r/MensRights23/01/22 04:39 PM
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People who are truly sexually assaulted have no doubt. If someone is unsure, they almost assuredly were not assaulted. Date rape drugs and other mental impairments being an exception. This is ridiculous and untrue, and extremely damaging to male victims, most of whom do not understand men can be raped. If you consented, you consented. I don’t buy the “my consent didn’t count” arguments. Unless someone had a gun to your head or drugged you, your consent means you were a willing participant even i…
/r/MensRights23/01/22 04:36 PM
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These are arguments for why the women in question did not do something which rises to criminal behavior. Not arguments for why OP shouldn't feel the way he does, and not arguments for why he doesn't need help. There is a distinction between his needs, and their actions.
/r/MensRights23/01/22 04:34 PM
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Does everything have to be layered in seven layers of cotton wool? Typically kicking people when they are down is seen as poor form. There is a time and a place for not coddling people, and this probably isn't it.
/r/MensRights23/01/22 04:32 PM
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Regardless of whether what occurred rises to a criminal matter on the part of the women involved, whether they even did anything wrong at all, the man has clearly experienced something that has upset him greatly and he feels violated. A distinction can be drawn between a call for action against individuals and a cry for help from an individual. OP, do not allow discussion of whether what these women did was wrong distract you from first focusing on your own wellbeing. You are not required to onl…
/r/MensRights23/01/22 04:31 PM
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Regardless of whether what occurred rises to a criminal matter on the part of the women involved, whether they even did anything wrong at all, the man has clearly experienced something that has upset him greatly and he feels violated. A distinction can be drawn between a call for action against individuals and a cry for help from an individual.
/r/MensRights23/01/22 04:30 PM
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Hating men is the sum total of what they want. They want to hate men and be justified in doing so. So when men and women are treated equally, they throw tantrums, seethe and act up about in examples like this. Then, later, they'll be back to throw another vitriolic tantrum about how men are villainous for treating women like they need special protections. Then, later again, they'll be back to demonize people for not recognizing women need special protections. Their start point and end point is t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/22 11:16 PM
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They're not treated like children. They're treated like people, and are treating men like monsters and in doing so, women are behaving like children. There's a distinction. If we were to treat them like children, we would simply ignore them when they throw these self-centered tantrums and then punish them if they didn't shut up. Acting like children is not the same as being treated like them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/22 11:13 PM
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"And some of your money too". They've opened themselves up to a lawsuit here I think.
/r/MensRights20/01/22 10:05 PM
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It's only for everyone when men try and organize. When you try and get them to do anything for men, then it's for women.
/r/MensRights10/01/22 04:56 PM
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Neutral parties will impact MR through their behaviors, sometimes helpful, sometimes not. If the trend was overall positive there wouldn't be much call for the MRM. For instance, most women aren't feminists. But most women do at some point become mothers. And we know from studies like this; https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/boys-don-t-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons-1.4693208 that they tend to damage their sons in ways that harm them for life. This is just one …
/r/MensRights05/01/22 03:22 PM
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She defrauded very wealthy Exactly. Notably, the examples Pao lists are usually men who fuck over ordinary people. This woman did the big dumb and tried to defraud her fellow elites. Pao misdiagnoses classism as sexism here. It isn't mens fault if apparently women CEO's are too stupid to understand basic class dynamics like this. You can wear a suit and tie and defraud poor people for decades before anything happens to you, if it ever does, but you take a dollar bill from the pocket of a rich pe…
/r/MensRights05/01/22 09:38 AM
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Done. I think it's a good start and I suspect that unfortunately the format of the tool you're using is going to limit its utility on some questions, this isn't your fault. The personal experience question compacts a lot of stuff together for example, I suspect through limitations on the number of options the tool can allow for, and it might be difficult to determine what precisely people are talking about, and some major options are missing but plausibly covered under others. For instance, is b…
/r/MensRights02/01/22 04:58 PM
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Prior to puberty, a boy soldier and a girl soldier are pretty much interchangable in terms of effectiveness. I might be inclined to give the slight edge to girl soldiers due to the psychological effect of being forced to shoot children being amplified when forced to shoot girls, because of male disposability. The type of state to use child soldiers isn't really concerned with norms either. I find it plausible there are widespread female child soldiers.
/r/MensRights02/01/22 04:47 PM
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Men prefer women who support their rights. Feminist concludes the only reason a woman would do so, is because men prefer it, suggesting her own ideas and agency don't exist and she is merely reacting to mens agency. As the woman begins to articulate a reasoned understanding of why mens rights are self-evident, the feminist reacts by calling the woman a man because she dares to have an understanding of mens humanity and inner lives and begins to articulate it. The reason is the feminist wants you…
/r/MensRights02/01/22 04:31 PM
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I'd have less issue with it if women began proposing at equalish rates and also took a knee, which seems to me to be the main problem with it, the lack of equal rates of proposal. Especially in cases where a woman effectively proposes and the man accepts, but to make it "Official" the man has to arrange a date evening and go through the ritual. Which is just the woman offloading the work onto the man. And you'll find that a lot of "Brave strong women" who brag about proposing to their husbands a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/21 06:30 PM
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The sheer beyond parody energy this will have if Julia is "Happy with life" as she states and does the whole empowered woman sex thing with Winston, only to turn around and blame Winston for being toxic that she gets tortured, completely oblivious to the totalitarian nightmare around her, would be just... chefs kiss.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/21 08:48 PM
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5238247/Women-really-fancy-rich-men-more.html
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/21 05:34 AM
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Not OP, but. It's a pretty good show on netflix. (Spoilers). The protagonists are stupid as fuck and the first season ends with them thinking they have won and defeated the villain. In reality the villain has acquired two more of its species to help the infiltration and caused the protagonists to murder one of their own mothers while thinking it was him, hence them thinking "We win!". Almost the entirety of the second season happens with them not knowing what the fuck is going on as the villains…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/21 05:06 AM
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If an unattractive woman wants to be attractive, she has to watch some make up tutorials and apply some, do her hair... maybe a weeks effort. If an unattractive man wants to become attractive, too late. You should have been working to have a decent stable job and career since you finished school, kept yourself healthy, avoided a criminal record, and so on, and so on. The "Effort" involved is not symmetrical. You claim men are "Unattractive no matter what they do", but we have studies showing tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/21 05:04 AM
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Because we make a big deal out of rape. If someone falsely accuses someone of theft it's going to get a shrug from most people. If rape were treated like just another crime, then false accusations would be treated like other false accusations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 08:47 PM
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We did ourselves a favor by demarkating our movement between MRAs, Red Pillers, and MGTOW types. It has significantly reduced the amount of bullshit in the movement. It has however meant we can't use the energy and activism in a roughly coordinated fashion. The question is whether that's worth the cost. And given that a lot of us take a dim view of feminism and want to fix its mistakes, i'd say the answer is probably no. So i suppose it depends what you mean by mens movement. The worst parts are…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/21 11:08 PM
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"It's not about tearing men down" "It's not about men VS women" International mens day:
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/21 03:24 AM
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This is a good point, but in addition to this i'd add that there's an inability to come to terms with the idea that women are raised with these skills and educated in these functions which are necessary for a healthy life. Men are denied this education and upbringing and it makes them dependent on women. But that's extremely difficult to frame as a conspiracy against women or somehow evidence the deck is stacked against them and looks an awful lot more like them whining about their privilege bit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 07:08 PM
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It's because they're pathologically incapable of framing things except as misogyny. The notion that they were given skills and raised to have them which men weren't and make men dependent on women isn't one they're prepared to contemplate, so men just have to be faking and everyone can just do it innately. The alternative is to try and twist themselves in knots to try and convince themselves that them receiving an upbringing that afforded them necessary life skills and educated them in these thi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 07:04 PM
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They enjoy positioning themselves above other people and holding power over them and get off on it. It's the entire reason they hate men and discriminate them, and their attitude is merely doing it interpersonally. Convince the lowliest wokester that they are above men, and they'll feel they aren't the worst people in the world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 07:00 PM
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The royal marines are particularly notorious for this and their "Congratulations to the new marines" parties can involve shit like "Crawl over the broken glass to reach your booze, that's an order. What the hell are you doing? Did I tell you to put on your armor? Alright, now that that's done and you're all nice and drunk, we're going to break into your old barracks and steal all your former friends socks. If you get caught, it wasn't our idea. Who told you to stich up your wounds? Try not to le…
/r/MensRights13/11/21 03:49 PM
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Drinking, pranks, fighting, daring eachother to do stupid and physically demanding shit. All of which arguably serve functions that help train soldiers save for perhaps the drinking. Pranks, the good ones at least, require planning, coordination, stealth, theory of mind, and so on. Daring eachother to do stupid and physically demanding shit gets them on board with following orders into highly ridiculous situations as well as pushes them to the limits. Fighting. Well. Fighting. (Especially within…
/r/MensRights13/11/21 03:45 PM
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The sub has been operating a long time and there's a settled consensus on a lot of issues. People aren't goldfish and we remember all this shit. What more is there to say on them?
/r/MensRights11/11/21 05:46 PM
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It also quite straightforwardly means you require more calories. Most Americans household budget is 9% of income spent on food. Men require 25% more calories. We've seen feminists throw a tantrum over free tampons. How about free energy bars for men?
/r/MensRights11/11/21 05:44 PM
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What about my reply do you take issue with? I'm happy to discuss this with you. I am sorry you were upset by what you encountered, but have you considered thinking about why they have come to believe these things and why they expressed them?
/r/MensRights10/11/21 06:05 PM
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Prioritizing men being able to express themselves openly takes precedence in a mens movement over policing for misogyny, or you end up with somewhere like Menslib that has banned discussion on several mens issues and does things like invite feminists to tell their user base that if they claim to be abused men they are lying misogynists who hit their wives while simultaneously having a hair-trigger about misogyny and banning men from their reddit for the slightest of infractions due to their para…
/r/MensRights10/11/21 05:55 PM
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Yes, but not for the reasons you are laying out. Shameless copypasta; Kalitz, 2011 "Classifying political regimes" "There are two “strong” ways rulers justify why the people should obey them: by the claim that they have a God-given natural, historical or religious right to rule or that they have a God-given natural, historical or religious purpose to rule; or by procedures that guarantee that the people are able to select and control the rulers themselves. There are only two regime types – commu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/21 11:00 PM
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In the UK, the first wave was heavily tied to the British Union of Fascists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Union_of_Fascists#Relationship_with_the_suffragettes "Many felt the movement's energy reminded them of the suffragettes.". So first wave feminists looked at fascism and said "Wow, you guys remind me of me!". Fourth wave feminists now throw a tantrum over comparing them to fascists while also relying on the first wave stuff like the vote to grant their movement a semblance of moral l…
/r/MensRights31/10/21 10:18 AM
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Australia has public healthcare and the Australian government is absolutely able to acquire the product and is obliged to if it proves it for women. The register is a government thing. If they aren't including a male equivalent to female products available on the register, that seems to me to be a problem. There's also no conspiracy necessary for discrimination.
/r/MensRights29/10/21 09:02 PM
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Maybe you can talk to a lawyer? I'd bet you can probably get a class action going if there's just straight up healthcare discrimination going. I understand that is probably a daunting and maybe even expensive thing, but maybe worth a shot?
/r/MensRights29/10/21 06:24 PM
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If that's the name of the module it's possible they'll cover mens health at a later date. If the module is something else and this was a lecture on womens health masquerading as one for both, it may be worth asking your class student representative to anonymously relay to your teacher your concern.
/r/MensRights25/10/21 03:23 PM
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It would probably be illegal because people lack empathy for males. As it is similar numbers of both men and women oppose abortion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/21 08:37 AM
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If paper abortions were brought in, I don't see a harm done to the male in this necessarily. At least not a criminal one, maybe a civil one if it causes distress. And i'm more concerned in ensuring paper abortions become a thing than fighting on this front personally.
/r/MensRights18/10/21 08:31 PM
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They're desperately trying to find an equivalent as an "ah-ha!". What they're avoiding is that the equivalent would be, say, criminalizing a man not paying child support and putting out bounties on them when they elect not to be a parent. Oh.
/r/MensRights06/10/21 05:36 PM
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He might be doing a 4d thing. Do you remember how feminists used to twist and contort and rationalize how misandry didn't exist and everything was secretly misogyny? (It's not misandry to hate male nurses and mistreat them, it's misogyny, because X,Y,Z.). Well here they want to criminalize misogyny while downplaying misandry and denying anything needs to be done about it. Raab has just introduced the idea that, well, men can make the same arguments feminists did. We just have to pretend its miso…
/r/MensRights06/10/21 05:27 PM
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How would you regard a workers rights movement that was vitriolically hostile to BLM, denied racism existed, and insisted everything was about class? Would them providing these benefits to black people by advocating these things make them any more palatable?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/21 01:07 PM
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What a terrible comparison. Why do you think it is terrible? It's gesturing to an overall dynamic rather than a one-to-one comparison. I'm suggesting that you should view feminism as similar to a workers movement that was vitriolically hostile to BLM for daring to suggest racism existed while simultaneously claiming it was "Against police brutality, which is totes about class by the way, it's just that it so happens we care about everything else 'class' related substantially more and plan to fix…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/21 12:56 PM
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It's an expression of gynocentrism and self-absorption, as well as a power play. If you can claim all sexism is misogyny and demand it be seen as a womens issue, then you get to prioritize "Your own issues" and would you look at that? They care more about the miniskirt comment than the milk comment and focus on solving that, because ofcourse they do. Then if someone talks about misandry you can try and appropriate their work into your movement and delegitimize them if they refuse to work within …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/21 12:33 PM
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I think it's what happens when they become incapable or unwilling to view the world except in terms of positive ascription to doctrine being required. I'm reminded of; "In a free country, that which is not explicitly prohibited is allowed, in a dictatorship, that which is not explicitly allowed is prohibited.". Feminists have a similar view of misogyny as authoritarians and totalitarians, because the ideology is ultimately based on an authoritarian mindset and justification for power (see here: …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 09:17 PM
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This is somewhat unfair to them. I'm perfectly happy to fight with them for their rights. When I get around to it. After I resolve mens issues.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 02:00 PM
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FGM = MGM. There are a multitude of forms of FGM and a multitude of forms of MGM. MGM includes things like castration as well as circumcision. What you're doing is comparing extreme FGM to less-extreme MGM and then acting like they aren't equivalent. One could take the contrary stance and say "FGM is obviously less bad than MGM, because MGM involves the full removal of the sexual organ, but FGM is just pricking the labia to draw a drop of blood and causes no long-term effects.". Notably, this me…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 08:31 AM
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Any evidence for this, or a QAnon style conspiracy? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47006912 Population proportion. Read 'Media and Male Identity: The Making and Remaking of Men.', Jim McNamara, PHD. Also, isn’t it crazy how everyone is a fool then? Except for “enlightened powerhouses” like you and MRAs on this sub? Lmaoooo Most people reject feminism, so, no. See above. The reason you think it's "Everyone" is, again, because you are massively overrepresented in the media who present a fr…
/r/MensRights21/08/21 08:07 AM
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Firstly, the world is not America. Secondly, they aren't all small groups. Thirdly, small groups can wield disproportionate power because politicians are dirt cheap. A conservative MP in the UK for instance changed their vote on car regulations for 3,000 pounds from a car manufacturing firm, though ofcourse they deny this. NOW is the largest feminist lobby in the world however, and is US based, with over 500,000 paying members, 500 headquarters, 50 state headquarters, and 1 national headquarters…
/r/MensRights21/08/21 07:47 AM
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Do you not know what a political lobby is? It is a term for activists, media influencers, and financial backers whom push a particular agenda. It encompasses groups, organizations, a base, and so on. https://www.google.com/search?q=feminist+lobby&sxsrf=ALeKk019IK18C6Ub9DhqAtXUwUoejieHMA%3A1629531168285&ei=IKwgYZrmEOb_7_UPjcSc4Ak&oq=feminist+lobby&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQgAEIAEMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeOgcIABBHELADOhEIABCwAxCKAxC3AxDUAxDlAjoECCMQJzoQCC4QsQMQgwEQxwEQ0QMQQzoECAAQQzoLCAAQgAQQ…
/r/MensRights21/08/21 07:34 AM
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How many black people are legally entitled to half of the income of a white person? I guess some due to marriage, but is it like, practically universal? What the post fails to talk about is the wives of those CEOs which is relevant to this point. It also fails to discuss stockholders in the country, which is whom the CEOs actually serve. Similarly, the politicians serve lobbying groups, one of which is the incredibly large and powerful feminist lobby for which there is no male equivalent. Their …
/r/MensRights21/08/21 07:14 AM
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And what compensation should men receive as a result of this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/21 01:56 PM
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No feminists in foxholes.
/r/MensRights17/08/21 03:10 PM
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So basically you think that you making claims and then not bothering to back them up is fine and that people asking you to back them up are in the wrong? Okay dude. You also lashed out at "Us" for being hypocrits, suggesting you've got a serious case of brainworms and not understanding this is a diverse community. Not only can you not demonstrate that people with these views exist in large numbers, but you apparently allow them to inform your view of the entire community and think they define ou…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 06:21 PM
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I'm specifically asking you what is your evidence of the type of MGTOW folk who want stay-at-home wives have joined the mensrights reddit. You do know there are also MGTOWs who take the view that women should earn their own keep and this is a big reason why they MGTOW? What evidence do you have that those aren't the sort who gravitated here, which would make far more sense given the nature of this subreddit?
/r/MensRights08/08/21 04:24 PM
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r/MensRights has had an influx of those opinions as well ever since the ban wave. Where is your evidence for this?
/r/MensRights08/08/21 04:09 PM
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You guys are also terribly hypocritical when half the time you want a traditional women that stays at home, and then you complain if she uses a man's cash which is the only cash available to her. Where on earth do you get this idea? We don't want a woman who stays at home precisely because we want her to go out, earn her keep, and then spend her own money instead of ours.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 12:36 PM
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William Hague (A former Tory leader) wrote an open letter to Starmer (current labour leader) about this and how paralyzing it is to explain how the Tories keep winning elections. Something like; "I sympathize, we Tories were equally bewildered about how to respond to Blair. Here was a man sat opposite us championing market principles and capitalism. How were we to respond to that? You now face a man who governs as a social democrat. I understand this can be frustrating and leave you without anyt…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/21 10:05 AM
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https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/puberty-blockers-linked-lower-suicide-risk-transgender-people-n1122101 Here you go mate :) On the point of minors making decisions, with a careful reframing we can address that point. It is not a decision akin to drinking or driving, but one of a child patient explaining symptoms to a doctor and then being told the treatment options. This is in fact something we let children do, with parental approval, all the time. I accept that it is often framed by libe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/21 09:53 AM
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The UK tories are a "Party of power". Polling shows a supermajority of their voters and members are left wing on economics. While their party elite aren't left wing, they are largely pragmatic when it comes to knowing how to win an election. (One can even make the case that this is literally their only principle). They go as left wing as needed. This has, over time, become more and more "Needed".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/21 09:50 AM
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Very hard, largely because of local circumstances. By local labour party is absolutely interminable in their misandrous outlook. They're also overrun with neoliberals. Meanwhile my local conservative party is increasingly amenable to social democracy and even flirts with a hybrid capitalism-market socialist system. While I could not support a conservative government in the abstract, the reality is, our electoral system is constituency based, and it's easily possible I could look at the candidate…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/21 09:10 AM
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Market socialism also allows free markets and competition, without the addition of a superfluous predator class.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/21 09:04 AM
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I tend to use "these...exceptional individuals...have" when I feel the need to insult someone and get around the censors. It's a wonderful catchall.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/21 08:59 AM
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I can hash this out with you if you like. On a pure numbers game they appear to be a utilitarian good and reduce suicide rates among transpeople. The cases of this treatment being given to "confused teens" who aren't really trans seem to be comparatively minimal. Now. This is not to say they don't matter. Merely that in policy terms, when weighing the pros and cons, more lives are benefitted from the policy than are harmed. Certainly there is a need to try and curtail the harm and minimize it th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/21 08:55 AM
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I think you could make a case for him being a centrist. But I also think you could make a case for him being left wing. If someone called him left-wing, I'd know exactly what they were focusing on and exactly why they thought that. If someone called him a centrist, i'd largely understand, because really, he's "centre-left", but more... "centre-centre-left".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/21 08:51 AM
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"Anti-fascist protection rampart" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/21 08:49 AM
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People’s dismissals of feminism are rooted in the dismissal of women and ideas brought to the table by women more broadly. Do not be a part of that problem. Every single political idea brought by men throughout history has had people dismiss it as ludicrous and poorly founded. This is, in fact, what politics is. Are feminists crying that we're "Making this political" but too lacking self-awareness to use those exact words?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/21 08:48 AM
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The issue is they don't seem able to ask themselves what it is about them that keeps them having toxic relationships and lash out at men. Much the same way incels don't want to examine why they can't get a date.
/r/MensRights15/07/21 04:18 PM
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Women are afraid as a result of a persistent propoganda campaign to get them afraid in order that they will support authoritarianism and hatred, thus preventing any form of solidarity among the 99%, similar to the anti-muslim hysteria after 9/11. It is an unreasonable and neurotic level of fear that women hold and the reason men aren't afraid in that fashion is they aren't being whipped up in this fashion. It is an insoluble problem because pointing this out leads to tantrums due to the persiste…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/21 04:50 PM
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They have power in institutions to enforce their misandry and face no consequences for it, so they feel comfortable voicing it. It's a symptom of their privilege but they will deny this when confronted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/21 02:12 PM
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I often wonder what it says about feminists that they behave this way because realistically there's only two explanations; They enjoy abusing people They actually think this shit is convincing, and would be convinced by it themselves, and as such their movement is full of bootlickers with low self-esteem who can be persuaded into believing something if you call them names for not believing it. I'm sorry you put up with this.
/r/MensRights25/06/21 07:41 PM
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This finding supports the idea that men who reject chivalry and other forms of benevolent sexism face reputational risks and may be misperceived as misogynists rather than being seen as gender egalitarians From the study dude.
/r/MensRights23/06/21 02:37 PM
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Criticism /=/ Hatred.
/r/MensRights23/06/21 01:40 PM
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Men on average very slightly favour women. Women on average favour women 4.5 times more than that. The modern feminist movements deranged conclusion that society is anti-woman stems from this gap. (I.E, they believe their shit smells of roses and that men are out to get them because men tell them "Your poop doesn't smell of anything at all" as a result of the constant psychological abuse they have subjected men to causing men to be in denial that their shit, in fact, smells like shit.). "Misogyn…
/r/MensRights23/06/21 12:36 PM
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I'm not discussing women. I'm discussing feminists and gynocentrists. It is extremely prevalent in women though and we can demonstrate it through the women are wonderful effect. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8226295_Gender_Differences_in_Automatic_In-Group_Bias_Why_Do_Women_Like_Women_More_Than_Men_Like_Men In Experiment 1, only women (not men) showed cognitive balance among in-group bias, identity, and self-esteem (A. G. Greenwald et al., 2002), revealing that men lack a mechanism th…
/r/MensRights23/06/21 11:55 AM
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Noticing something unpleasant about feminists is apparently too far for you? It's a conclusion i've drawn based on study and observation. Do you have an argument against it other than it being an unpleasant thing about someone to notice? I'll remind you this group of people rationalized how women abusing their husbands wasn't blameworthy for decades, rationalized how women raping men "Wasn't rape" and so on. It's not a conclusion i've drawn out of the blue. Often people try to explain domestic v…
/r/MensRights23/06/21 11:35 AM
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How so? I'll remind you this group of people rationalized how women abusing their husbands wasn't blameworthy for decades, rationalized how women raping men "Wasn't rape" and so on. It's not a conclusion i've drawn out of the blue. Often people try to explain domestic violence among heterosexual couples based on theoretical frameworks about gender roles or gender socialization, where there is case of the historical oppression of women. This existing gendered model of domestic violence includes a…
/r/MensRights23/06/21 11:32 AM
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If you didn't find a man to blame for their behavior, their psychology would provoke them to start rationalizing how the behaviour is okay. You can depict a woman murdering someone and have it ultimately be down to how she's a victim of a man and they can accept that. If you just depict a woman being a piece of shit and murdering someone, and you keep doing that, their psychology is such that eventually they'll start believing murder is okay. They don't actually have any moral compass beyond wom…
/r/MensRights23/06/21 09:57 AM
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You're switching between tenses there a little. "Do I have" vs "I have been".
/r/MensRights22/06/21 08:35 AM
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So basically for all the glorifying feminists do of the first wave, if you take the suffragettes seriously in their views, you're having feminists saying "How can you possibly oppose the forerunner movement to fascism and nazism?". Because that is what suffragettes thought they were (or at least claimed about feminism). They have been considerably whitewashed. It has always been a movement of incredibly shitty people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/21 11:07 AM
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Link provided. Several of suffragette leader Emmeline Pankhurst’s colleagues regarded her movement as a forerunner of the interwar dictatorships because of its insistence on total obedience to the Leader. For women who sought a great leader and had become alienated by conventional parties, the BUF seemed a natural successor to the Women’s Social and Political Union (WSPU): the militant women’s suffrage organization which was dissolved in 1917. “I was first attracted to the Blackshirts because I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/21 11:02 AM
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Beyond that she was also a founding member of the British Union of Fascists. Feminists nowadays throw a massive tantrum if you note their similarity to the Nazis, and then in the next breath whine about how without feminism they wouldn't have the vote. ... Um... In the words of the suffragette leaders who got them that vote? Fascism reminded them very much of feminism. They felt it had the same vibe. That's why they joined fascist parties. Some of them even tried to claim Fascism as a child of f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/21 11:00 AM
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Ignore the criticism. They're assuming that there is one singular approach for convincing people. Your approach will convince some, but not all people. Some people respond well to personal stories, some people respond to logical arguments, and so on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/21 10:57 AM
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They fundamentally don't understand the difference between a lens to interpret facts, and a fact.
/r/MensRights20/06/21 07:55 AM
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Compare to Imperialism and the White Mans Burden to see how out of touch feminists are when they tell themselves this nonsense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 07:11 PM
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Oh, and in support of your argument, the emotional intelligence of kids raised in single parent households is lower than those with dual parent households, which strains the biochemical/genetic explanation and lends more credence to a resource investment/neglect explanation of emotional intelligence. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341165082_Emotional_Intelligence_of_Adults_Raised_in_Different_Family_Structures "Significantly higher EI than single parent households". Orphaned kids also …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 04:49 PM
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https://time.com/3581587/mothers-emotion-words-girls-boys-surrey-studymothers-encourage-emotions-more-in-daughters-over-sons-study-says/#:~:text=In%20a%20study%20published%20yesterday,4%2Dyear%2Dold%20sons. + https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/boys-don-t-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons-1.4693208 These the ones mate?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 04:34 PM
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Thanks. :)
/r/MensRights14/06/21 05:47 PM
1

Are they suggesting men are inherently inferior to women, or are they simply ignoring that environment plays a role? The stat that men are most of the victims of crime demonstrates that the environment is hostile to men. That it is perpetrated by men isn't relevant to that, it's merely the mechanism. For instance, suppose we set up a situation where any woman who assaulted another woman were given 5000 dollars. Is this "Womens fault", or the fault of those who designed this situation?
/r/MensRights14/06/21 04:34 PM
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If it's merely validating to themselves that they're a good person, why do people donate to particular charities? I'm not suggesting it's not a factor. I just don't think it's the only one. If it were about "I'm a good person for doing this" then that wouldn't explain why someone donates to a dog shelter over a cat shelter, for example. What would explain it is their personal relationship with dogs and caring about them, genuinely, more than cats. I put it to you that this interindividual caring…
/r/MensRights14/06/21 12:24 PM
1

I think women MRAs value ideological consistency for its own sake, value the men in their lives, and value making other people happy, as well as value the narcissistic feedback of virtue signalling. These are all needs present in varying degrees. I don't believe human beings are merely virtue signalling validation seekers as you posit, or the existence of the MRM wouldn't have an explanation. It's a factor for both men and women in the MRM, but not the only factor. The only addition to make to t…
/r/MensRights14/06/21 11:58 AM
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I would point out to you that there are women MRAs which seems to fairly conclusively settle the argument over whether women can or should be participants in society and are capable of changing. While I also like the notion of a transhuman abolition of sex, I suspect it's for different reasons.
/r/MensRights14/06/21 11:40 AM
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It's capitalism mate. You just need to know two things to explain it. Women control most of the household budget. Women have a massive in group bias. This self-reinforces. Women decide what products to buy and gravitate towards companies that pander to their sexism and self-absorption. This then results in culture spamming them with ever-escalating "Women are superior" messages to obtain their custom, heightening and worsening their delusions as they become submerged in escalating affirmations o…
/r/MensRights14/06/21 11:28 AM
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I did answer your question. I'm not claiming it, i'm explaining why that is the conclusion I've drawn.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/21 03:57 PM
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"Put the men to death and take the women as slaves". If you doubt that's a worse deal for men, then why would anyone live as a slave rather than rebel or commit suicide when under siege or enslaved? We have one example of that happening. The siege of Masada. And that was largely as a result of religious fanaticism rather than a belief slavery was worse than death. (it's also contested whether this ever actually happened. It's the only such claim this happened in history, and there's no archaeolo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/21 12:18 PM
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I have explained to you why that is the case. Why does the analogy not work?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/21 12:13 PM
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By calling themselves feminists and trying to make that out to be something other than anti-male hatred, they are engaged in an anti-male thing. I gave you an example of my reasoning. If you keep trying to claim the confederate flag isn't racist because you're not a racist and you use it, you're actively trying to whitewash racism and engaged in a racist act. There are no people who fly the confederate flag who aren't at least mildly racist. Some people are outright klansmen. The others are in d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/21 12:05 PM
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If you're trying to whitewash a hate movement and give it new meaning, you are being disrespectful to its victims. See the confederate flag controversy. "Not everyone who flies it is a racist". Flying it is an act of racism. every feminist is engaged in anti-male hatred. Some of them actively hate men. Some of them have dehumanized them to the point they don't consider their suffering important. Guess what? That's all of them. Those two things right there? That's every single feminist. And I can…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/21 10:00 AM
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No, it isn't true. You'll find these same people will deny reality and say most male rape victims are victims of other men and will also brazenly ignore stats on that and just keep repeating themselves. For the same reason. The point is to tell lies, gaslight, and abuse people, to derail attempts to help men and demonize them in order to maintain power over them, and hope that credulous morons will go along with it and then be too ashamed to admit they joined a hate movement and that that their …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/21 09:42 PM
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who are already known to have a lower life expectancy than men in the wake of natural disasters. When you're used to privilege... I'd wager if you threw a rich person and a poor person on a desert island with no infrastructure, one would last longer too.
/r/MensRights08/06/21 05:14 PM
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Bad faith and gaslighting. Same as if we just took the term girl power and started pretending it was about celebrating women being abusive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/21 03:39 PM
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If when Sikh people are attacked because their attacker hates muslims and thinks "He's brown-looking and wearing religious garb of somekind, must be a muslim" that is considered "Islamophobia", then what should we think about TERFs misidentifying women as men? "Transphobia" is a misdiagnosis of TERF behavior.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/21 08:48 AM
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"I believe the uncivilized barbarians are perfectly capable of being civilized by us. In short, I am an imperialist.". "An Imperialist? Why are you so racist?" (This is treated as the punchline, because these people have had their brains rotted by feminism to the point they don't actually even understand the criticism being leveled at them.).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/21 09:42 PM
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Australia’s National Research Organisation for Women’s Safety (ANROWS) has found that almost half of the women murdered by an intimate partner in Queensland had previously been identified by police as the perpetrator of domestic violence. This is not merely a police thing. There's that study showing that the biggest predictor of women being in danger of serious injury from a partner is if the woman admits that she perpetrates and initiates violence against them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/21 03:18 PM
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I mean that sounds like a legit problem in Austria then. So how about we focus on women in Austria, and men in literally other country on the planet.
/r/MensRights11/05/21 06:33 PM
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I don't like this. I understand the sentiment, but i'd prefer a "Single parents day".
/r/MensRights10/05/21 08:22 AM
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The way feminism has taught women to operate in the world is to make out that someone is subhuman for doing things they don't like based on really spurious logic, group together with other women who don't like that thing to gaslight others and present this logic as something "reasonable people agree with", and then accuse everyone who points out they operate in bad faith and/or aren't making their case for why their accusation makes sense of being the type of subhuman they're accusing others of …
/r/MensRights05/05/21 08:44 AM
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"Not about tearing men down"
/r/MensRights03/05/21 09:34 PM
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The first female MP was an open supporter of Hitler and fascism. Lady Astor. She was persuaded by the conservative party to resign in 1945. A significant amount of the suffragette leaders in the UK were fascists and nazis. There's a documentary about it; "Mother was a blackshirt". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Union_of_Fascists#Relationship_with_the_suffragettes Also, when feminists flip out about you comparing feminism to fascism, you can just tell them that first wave feminists did exa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/21 07:49 AM
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Hey, thanks for taking an interest in it. I think you've understood and summarized it well.
/r/MensRights30/04/21 09:52 PM
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It's an example of how feminists can't be allowed any form of influence in society, because they will misuse it.
/r/MensRights29/04/21 09:39 AM
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They have built their entire identity around being victims and enforce this as a gender role. It's why feminism is incapable of ending gender roles or sexism, its fundamental premise is based on the enforcement of gender roles. They're the same kind of people who would get angry and insist women can't read and then spout some pseudo-intellectual garbage to justify that opinion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/21 07:09 PM
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Decades of gynocentric brainwashing will do that.
/r/MensRights28/04/21 12:00 AM
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There's studies showing that boys are aware they are being discriminated against in this fashion and this actually leads to their lack of trying. If we just marked girls down because they are girls, eventually they'd stop "studying and preparing" more than boys too, because they'd recognize a rigged game and not bother.
/r/MensRights24/04/21 08:31 AM
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It does have something to do with it because it demonstrates that either reddit thinks liberals are a "vulnerable group", or that their argument for why hate against men doesn't count was a lie.
/r/MensRights18/04/21 10:50 AM
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Oh, look, another deranged person who thinks women in the past valued the same things women today value and has swallowed the idea of liberal universalism. Lay off the drugs and alcohol and feminism, okay mate?
/r/MensRights17/04/21 09:36 PM
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It's a surface level evaluation that serves to obscure the reasons, such as neglect of boys during childhood and greater male disposability.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/21 12:09 PM
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many sections of Dan Olsons flat earth video on QAnon applies to progressives a lot. "By carving out an exception, they make themselves exceptional. They engage in wild hypocrisy as an act of domination, adhering to something demonstrably untrue out of spite. Because ultimately it's not about facts, it's about power." https://youtu.be/JTfhYyTuT44?t=4130 This to the end.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/21 11:21 PM
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I've moved beyond it into anger and determination tbh. Use it as fuel. Once you accept you don't really care about yourself anymore due to depression then social controls no longer hold you back. Just pursue a goal and view your life in terms of utility to that goal. It's what gets me through the day productively at least, working on this issue.
/r/MensRights06/04/21 11:13 PM
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"Vulnerable groups" is a specific term which very obviously applies to men. The rationalizations and excuse making feminists engage in to argue men aren't oppressed is separate from men being vulnerable.
/r/MensRights06/04/21 10:23 AM
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We may be thinking of the same survey. Our right wingers tended to identify as libertarian. The 3 biggest responses were social democrat, centrist, libertarian. The honey badgers are also libertarian, as in, enough to associate with the libertarian party and speak at their events. Farrell is a democrat. He interviewed most of the presidential candidates for the democratic party and talked to them about mens issues and their plans for it. They seemed amiable. Yes, Farrell worked with Trump to get…
/r/MensRights04/04/21 11:36 PM
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Reminder that the demographic survey shows /r/mensrights is in line with population norms for having relationships. /r/menslib is below population norms.
/r/MensRights04/04/21 04:19 PM
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Most of what you wrote is just you flailing your arms and howling so we'll ignore those parts, since they ultimately boil down to your refusal to understand the harms feminism has caused. Let me get this straight - you don't view equality as a universal truth in its own right, but rather some invention by man that can only be manipulated and defined by men? No, equality is not some universal truth in essentialist terms. There is no substance of equality floating around in the ether. Equality is …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/21 08:47 AM
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Nope. You don't get to choose when opinions/interpretations are relevant or not. "I feel that this is hostile so my opinion as to why it is hostile is relevant, but since you don't believe feminism is hostile your take is irrelevant." Are you on crack? It's irrelevant because it claims to be an gender equality movement despite mens understanding of equality being wildly divergent from it. "It's an act of misandry to consider feminism a positive movement." Wrong again. But it an act of misogyny t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/21 08:47 PM
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God that was just beautiful, watching you offer your interpretation of what feminism truly entails -- stating such an opinion as if it is fact -, all while discounting mine as "irrelevant." It's irrelevant to tell people that something isn't hostile to them if they interpret it that way. There are significantly more anti-feminist men than pro-feminist men and for legitimate reasons to do with the movements history of prejudice and bigotry against them, hence the confederate flag comparison. As s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/21 06:24 PM
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I've got shit to do, basically.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/21 10:30 AM
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"to be more considerate of what is going on with women right now". They've been doing this for decades now. It's a permanent emergency to them and never the "right time". Just quote letter from a birmingham jail at them next time. Dealing with your issues does not have to come when convenient for them.
/r/MensRights19/03/21 02:48 PM
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A certain mens lib moderator right? Yeah they're an ideological fanatic. Notice that bit at the end there "95% of the dudes who whine about feminism 'are content to ignore'" and then he just rattles off feminist garbage. Totally beyond their capacity to think that you can't use "People who disagree feminism disagree with feminism, therefore their disagreement is wrong" and that be a coherent logical rebuttal. "I'd tolerate disagreement with feminism if it were reasonable, but in my experience, p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/21 11:35 PM
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To call yourself a feminist and consider it a positive movement is in itself an act of misandry in the same way flying the confederate flag is an act of racism. Your own personal interpretation of the symbology of it is not really relevant. That's part of my reasoning, what's your argument against it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/21 07:34 AM
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They don't view you as people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/21 10:05 PM
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You have to realize they're not sincere. They're operating in bad faith and it's why discussion with them is pointless. Only organizing and direct action.
/r/MensRights14/03/21 09:21 PM
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The issue is that feminists have normalized psychological violence against men while behaving like retaliation "Proves" they are entitled to behave this way. It will continue until men organize to start having feminists arrested and deplatformed frankly.
/r/MensRights14/03/21 09:19 PM
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I'm pointing out to you that you caused these problems. And no, as I pointed out, some areas are now defunding womens shelters as a result of this dynamic. When you say "Why can't you do it, we did" you are ignoring the history of it. And when you say "Just do what we did", you are basically asking "Why don't you threaten feminists with violence if they don't shut up about womens violence so men can monopolize the conversation? Why not mail bombs to feminist academics? That's how we got this don…
/r/MensRights13/03/21 07:26 PM
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We talk about male issues but we’re not gonna solve them for you. This is ignoring how this issue is a direct result of the feminist movements activity on this and how the distortion they have caused in society through their violence and misinformation prevents men solving the issue so long as it goes uncorrected. You have to honor Silverman’s legacy by continuing to fight like feminists have for generations. That doesn’t mean blaming feminists though. Lol. Are you sure you want us to fight like…
/r/MensRights13/03/21 07:21 PM
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Firstly you can't claim feminism helps men then refuse to do so and say "Do it yourself". It's one or the other. Secondly, reperations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey#Reciprocity_of_domestic_violence + https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233717660_Thirty_Years_of_Denying_the_Evidence_on_Gender_Symmetry_in_Partner_Violence_Implications_for_Prevention_and_Treatment You didn't just "Start your own". You used terrorism and violence to ensure no mens shelters got built and then academ…
/r/MensRights13/03/21 07:04 PM
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A continual shifting of rhetorical emphasis on how an enemy is both too strong and too weak... seems familiar.
/r/MensRights13/03/21 03:18 PM
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They claim all the minor issues feed into the major ones through patriarchy, but all the minor mens issues are just minor ones that don't matter. They'd realize how legitimately ill they sound if you turned to them and screamed about how they're supporting drafting men to die in the trenches whenever they don't support the most banal and minor mens issue and made up a conspiracy theory for how the two were related and how they absolutely must react to that minor issue like someone just suggested…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/21 11:17 PM
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They'll keep behaving that way so long as you allow them to. Just tell them you don't want to associate with or speak to them anymore. You don't have to put up with abusive family members. Don't argue with them, because that is what they want.
/r/MensRights10/03/21 05:10 PM
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The UN does not recognize international mens day. It's an unofficial grassroots event. No governments or legal bodies recognize it. They made it officially world toilet day after a few years of it happening.
/r/MensRights08/03/21 07:47 PM
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there is a campaign to get november 19th recognized as international mens day, but it currently serves as an unofficial one.
/r/MensRights08/03/21 07:47 PM
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Equalities minister Caroline Dinenage rejected Mr Davies’ call and said that since the penal system was largely designed with men in mind, This is the kind of hostility to improving mens lives that patriarchy theory generates. You can see its influence on her outlook here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/21 11:37 PM
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We already have some institutions and groups whereas previously we didn't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/21 09:04 PM
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I personally agree we're unlikely to be particularly supportive interpersonally. I actively try to do so quite regularly as a point of political principle and keep an eye out for men in need of help. But that doesn't mean I necessarily feel it, and not everyone makes those kind of decisions to consciously do shit like that. But I think men as a group? We're likely to be able to recognize a problem and organize for institutional solutions. Eventually, our interpersonal behavior may improve as a r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/21 08:49 PM
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This view is distinctive from the traditional view given its rhetorical support for gender equality but may well be vulnerable to unconscious bias against women in the workplace; although we have no evidence to support this thesis from our survey findings. Beyond parody.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 10:38 AM
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Why do you assume they can't understand it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/21 01:58 PM
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Their domestic violence policy ensures that there's more female victims and deaths than their needs to be (Because they refuse to teach them not to create violent situations), but it also lets them demonize and vilify men as evil oppressors. You know the answer to this.
/r/MensRights02/03/21 01:53 PM
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They enjoy psychologically abusing men. Once you understand this you understand what you need to know about them.
/r/MensRights01/03/21 01:01 PM
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Not really. It's a woman realizing she is in fact an abusive arsehole but this is the extent of her self-awareness. It took her 12 years to take even a modicum of responsibility for her own behavior and it's incredibly unlikely she will ever have the psychological fortitude to confront how women have normalized this and feminism is responsible.
/r/MensRights01/03/21 11:28 AM
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By spending 200 actively drinking koolaid until your brain is so broken you don't have any self-awareness.
/r/MensRights01/03/21 11:19 AM
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Feminism normalizes this kind of abuse from women because it is one of the most major expressions of it. It's this behavior writ large in society. It isn't about equality in the same way going mental over the hamburger meat in the OP isn't about healthy eating. It's about control and narcissism. You shouldn't defend feminism. At the very least you should accept that mens experience of it is highly negative and abusive and you cannot have equality with people if you insist on trying to whitewash …
/r/MensRights01/03/21 11:13 AM
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Not to be rude but this reply demonstrates you don't actually know about the history of this. ​ Opposing Shared Parenting: The Feminist Track Record – A Voice for Men Example one ​ (PDF) Thirty Years of Denying the Evidence on Gender Symmetry in Partner Violence: Implications for Prevention and Treatment (researchgate.net) Example two.
/r/MensRights23/02/21 04:11 PM
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The issue is that due to feminism they believe they are helping, it has warped their minds. Mens rights is more important as a core goal and concept, obviously, but if you try and get anything done on that front you'll soon realize feminism is the major obstacle that needs to be dealt with to achieve things.
/r/MensRights23/02/21 04:03 PM
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If done right, sure. But MRAs attempting to co-exist with feminism throughout the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 2000s resulted in feminists constantly telling lies and trying to get us shut down and so on. You can't have peace with people intent on war.
/r/MensRights23/02/21 03:52 PM
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It sounds like you don't want to leave and want to be convinced not to. So... why need convincing exactly?
/r/MensRights23/02/21 02:04 PM
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"Women have no agency to impact those around them. Unless it's good things.". rolls eyes
/r/MensRights23/02/21 12:52 PM
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A lot of it maps onto psychological abuse tactics.
/r/MensRights23/02/21 12:51 PM
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That's absolutely fine. I understand fully well how disorientating a shift in perspective like this can be. I'd fully encourage you to come back when you're feeling more grounded to talk to people about this topic. It's probably very sensible to avoid this conversation while you're unsure if you'll stick by the things you'll say and may come to regret them. You are probably going to experience some people who are angry and hostile to you here because we tend to be an open space. I'd urge you to …
/r/MensRights23/02/21 12:46 PM
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I did not come here to debate feminism. No, but you do have an opportunity to talk about the views and ways you might be being harmful to men now that you're here. It's a good thing you're starting to question stuff, it's very positive. But you're probably not going to be able to come up with the anwsers by yourself because they revolve around mens experiences, and the best way to gain understanding with that is to talk to the people here about it. so if you have any questions about whether a vi…
/r/MensRights23/02/21 12:31 PM
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They hate men and spend their time in spaces that encourage them to think it's okay and normal to hate men and give them a bunch of reasons to do so. They don't mind telling lies to justify their abuse and hatred of men because they think they're alluding to a larger truth with those lies, not realizing that the larger truth they are supporting is merely a pyramid of those little lies. Ultimately they enter such spaces because on some level they do not respect men and view them as equals, since …
/r/MensRights23/02/21 11:33 AM
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I finally see a lot of flaws with these two subs that I thought was near perfect for the 4 years I attended it. I have one small deviation with the status quo there and ask a question, and I get "permanently banned". You should take this opportunity to question the views such a space inculcated in you. most people here seem to despise feminists and will probably hate what I stand for. We despise feminism. What do you stand for?
/r/MensRights23/02/21 11:28 AM
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The mens movement that coined the term had an extremely different conception of it. They used it to describe a masculinity that arises from a lack of male solidarity and male spaces, arising in the modern era as a result of feminism and capitalism. They frame it as a lack of masculinity and say the solution is mens groups, male solidarity, and male brotherhood and so on. Feminists are using it extremely differently to the point that claiming the concept they're discussing was coined by men is ju…
/r/MensRights23/02/21 11:25 AM
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The mens movement that coined the term had an extremely different conception of it. They used it to describe a masculinity that arises from a lack of male solidarity and male spaces, arising in the modern era as a result of feminism and capitalism. They frame it as a lack of masculinity and say the solution is mens groups, male solidarity, and male brotherhood and so on. Feminists are using it extremely differently to the point that claiming the concept they're discussing was coined by men is ju…
/r/MensRights23/02/21 11:25 AM
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Because they don't operate in good faith and rely on you trying to reason with them rather than recognizing them for what they are and deciding that there is no point in discussion, only mobilization and direct action.
/r/MensRights22/02/21 12:24 AM
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Tell her to talk to some transpeople about their experiences and how their experiences, thought patterns, and perspectives changed when they took hormones.
/r/MensRights21/02/21 06:27 PM
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Imagine being on a date with a woman who never shuts up about herself. Like it's constant. From the moment you sat down, she's been talking. And when you try and get a word in, she flips out about you interrupting her, then goes back to nattering. Like, imagine the lack of self-awareness such a person would have. That's the charitable view. The uncharitable view is that they're doing this precisely because it's a method of control and filibustering. They know if they never shut up and monopolize…
/r/FeminismStopsWhen21/02/21 06:13 PM
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It's not ironic. They enjoy this kind of appropriation of our points and using them against us before we can use them to criticize them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/21 05:51 PM
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The OP has fairly straightforwardly explained to you how it is a form of social power and social capital. I think feminism has trained women into denying this instead of engaging with that observation (largely because it's a cult of victimhood that used an oppressor-oppressed monolithic power dynamic to explain sexism for a hundred years and framed all of womens experiences through it) and that's why you're angry about men doing it, because it makes it harder to live in denial. If you don't live…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/21 09:54 AM
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I think calling this kind of social capital "hypersexualization" is just a way feminists have come up with to try and present womens social power as social oppression.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/21 08:49 AM
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They've really have been cracked from people pointing out they shouldn't say sexist things and have spent the last few months constantly bitching about it and trying to validate to eachother that their behavior is normal and reasonable rather than just, you know. Change their behavior. They're caught in a loop now because on some level their constant attempt to normalize this behavior doesn't ring true for them but they feel it should be true. So they just keep spamming this point for why they s…
/r/AntiFeminists11/02/21 02:26 PM
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It provides a good opportunity for protests. Millions of people will still go see them. Just takes a person with a placard outside the cinema.
/r/MensRights09/02/21 10:28 PM
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There are no good feminists. They are just people who ape the "White moderate" constantly and talk about how the conversation for mens issues is not timely right now but we'll get there when it's convenient for them. This is essentially their behavior when they whine about "What about the men?" and "derailing" and so on when men bring up these issues at times they don't like, but them talk out the other side of their mouth about how they want it solved. Just, you know, when it's convenient for t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/21 07:52 PM
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I can see this being helpful, but I can also see why it may be a lot to ask, especially if that organization was specifically created to dedicate resources to a female disparity, especially if that issue is still super prevalent. This ignores that these organizations have built themselves up over the years through hostility to recognition of mens issues and opposition to attention being given to male victims and so on. It's the difference between "Well, I want you to be less poor, but it's not f…
/r/MensRights04/02/21 02:21 PM
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That's another of their predictions down the toilet then. What do we call it in science when a model fails to make accurate predictions all the time? Is it Wrong? I think it might be Wrong. And where that model is based around saying men being bad people is the root of it all, and it's based on absolute garbage, you might even call it something else.
/r/MensRights04/02/21 02:12 PM
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You're right that they focus on dick in order to avoid actually having self-awareness of what they are saying about men, but that it's fairly clear they mean men and are just too unwell to admit it to themselves because of their self-image being so out of step with the reality of who they are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/21 07:28 PM
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The reasoning for it being overturned is incredibly revealing. The appeals court said they were overturning it as "The decision of the lower court appears to overrule a previous ruling by the supreme court, which only the supreme court has a right to do.". They basically upheld its arguments in all other respects. It's about as clear a signal from an appeals court to the supreme court that they can give that they want the supreme court to look at it and hear the argument.
/r/MensRights02/02/21 06:25 PM
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Why do we celebrate women getting careers then?
/r/MensRights30/01/21 12:14 PM
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Hydra, not Minotaur. It's a tone of voice that is needed in the chorus.
/r/MensRights30/01/21 12:25 AM
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Feminism is merely psychological abuse engaged in to obtain power over others.
/r/MensRights27/01/21 06:40 PM
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You have to understand that this is a result of our failure to confront women and force them to realize that their perception is not actually based in the reality of their experiences, but in anti-male propoganda and group bias. They are constantly told to feel unsafe and about all the dangers around every corner, then feel unsafe, told their feelings are valid and they are oppressed, note men do not feel unsafe, and then conclude that this must be because men are not unsafe because they have ca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 03:15 PM
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Contains information about feminism we don't like to admit.
/r/MensRights19/01/21 01:07 PM
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"I'm just a stochastic terrorist, I don't support terrorism. That's not what stochastic terrorism is about.".
/r/MensRights19/01/21 01:06 PM
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They're the same thing. The only difference is scale.
/r/MensRights19/01/21 01:05 PM
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Only if we let it.
/r/MensRights18/01/21 08:07 PM
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but it's our fault because we've been "oppressing women for the past thousand of years" and this is what we have to deal with. This is what women who are too young to have learned to gaslight men come out with. It's only as they age their justifications get more complicated. But always remember this is how they started out. And the answer as to why, is because nobody punishes them for it. It's up to us to do that.
/r/MensRights18/01/21 08:06 PM
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They spend their time validating a bunch of man-hating nonsense to eachother and continuously tell eachother that people criticizing their misinformation means they hate women and don't need to be taken seriously. The mere fact you don't accept the evidence they throw out at face value is, to them, evidence you are evil. They don't actually care about evidence. To them, it's all about starting from their conclusion and working backwards, and if you don't help them do that, you're a bad person wh…
/r/MensRights18/01/21 12:43 PM
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This is why they use the term. It was a way for them to finally acknowledge and address mens issues but without talking about misandry. They spent decades downplaying mens issues, denying them, and saying misandry doesn't exist. It's damage control.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/21 04:52 PM
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Psychological abuse is the only tactic feminists have.
/r/MensRights17/01/21 12:31 PM
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https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11816/philip_davies/shipley/votes Consistently voted against equal gay rights Consistently voted against allowing marriage between two people of same sex Almost always voted against laws to promote equality and human rights (Sub sections: Voted against legalizing abortion in northern ireland. Voted against same sex marriage in northern ireland. Voted against largely retaining the human rights bill. Voted in favor of repealing the human rights act. Voted against …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/21 06:57 PM
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Feminists who believe in patriarchy theory are radical feminists. As mhandanna pointed out, it's a specific branch of feminism. It doens't mean "extremist".
/r/MensRights14/01/21 04:11 PM
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Yeah but that's not in their financial interest to acknowledge, so they'll just call them scared and weak and so on instead to try and bully them into handing over money. Their solution is to leverage gender roles and make the pressure on men to go to therapy higher than the pressure to be frugal, not to address the pressure to be frugal, because ultimately they don't care about men, just their incomes.
/r/MensRights14/01/21 02:14 PM
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They act as though politicians write laws on a whim. They consult with think tanks, lobbies, and interest groups. How many of those for men do you see around? Women write the laws related to gender, because the lobbies consulted on gender policy are universally womens orgs. Politicians merely take the credit for them. You'd think that would be a feminist issue about men stealing their work and claiming it as their own, but then they'd have to take responsibility for the product, and they don't w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/21 02:01 PM
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He's a bit of a grifter largely bringing it up to troll the left. He routinely votes against things if they might actually help people, including men. He gives a voice to these issues because they have no chance of actually passing. He would 180 so fast parliament would shift on its axis if a bill was proposed to fund the mens shelters he spent so long talking about, and suddenly he'd be all "Well we shouldn't spend money on it or anything...". I base this on his voting record where anything tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/21 01:59 PM
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Ah, and having read some of your other comments, the survey is deeply flawed and operates on the assumption that all sexism is sexism against women. This dramatically changes the nature of the questions and responses and your failure to outline this makes the study effectively worthless unless your purpose was to just push an agenda rather than conduct actual academic work. Severely disappointing and poor practice. Simply assuming that men (your target demographic) will agree with a fringe and h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/21 01:26 PM
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Completed. I'm interested if you weight the questions on gender roles and feminism along the same metric. (As in, strongly agreeing with things like "A man should be in charge of family finances" is counted with "Feminism is responsible for problems between men and women" in determining the score along that vector). I'm also interested in reading the results when they come out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/21 01:14 PM
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The issue is that when the MRM tried this throughout the 80s until now, feminists actively suppressed and crushed those organizations and attempts. Hence the focus shifting to anti-feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/20 03:26 PM
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This. Additionally, in every country where working class men got the vote, they elected a party to give women the vote within 10 years. The exception to this is France and the USA, which democratized through violent military conflict and had a much stronger conception of "Vote = conscripts".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/20 01:29 PM
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I mean protesting her movie releases is simple enough. You just need a handful of folk with signs outside a couple of cinemas for a movement to start.
/r/MensRights25/12/20 11:58 PM
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There are zero billionaires in the senate, therefore they are oppressed and non-billionaires rule the world.
/r/MensRights24/12/20 07:55 PM
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Once you understand it's about female supremacy it makes sense. The first is to gaslight, shame, and abuse men and demoralize them alongside pushing for schemes to give women money and power. The third is about exploiting an opportunity for women to gain money and power. They do not actually have any consistent principles and operate entirely in bad faith.
/r/MensRights24/12/20 07:42 PM
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This is pretty much exactly why TERFs hate transpeople, because they provide a means to lessen feminisms exploitation and oppression of men.
/r/MensRights24/12/20 07:40 PM
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Also we need to rig the education system in womens favor for decades while denying sexism against men exists at all.
/r/MensRights24/12/20 01:26 AM
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Decades of feminist thought has rotted away their capacity to think, let alone openly acknowledge, that women might need to change their behavior to be better. Feminist thought and theory trains people into assuming men have to change and men are the source of issues. So when presented with; "It turns out if men hang out with men, they find no use in women" they react like entitled freaks who reply "No, you HAVE to love me, you HAVE to appreciate me. I don't need to develop as a person and be be…
/r/MensRights24/12/20 01:12 AM
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When the mythopoetic mens movement came up with the term toxic masculinity, before feminists appropriated it, it was only ever used in contrast to "deep" masculinity which was seen as positive. "Toxic" masculinity according to them was a result of a lack of male influence that was brought about by the modern economy, fatherlessness, etc. Feminists have taken the term and completely reversed its meaning in an appropriation of the rhetoric of the mens movement. The Mythopoetic mens movement had pr…
/r/MensRights22/12/20 04:12 AM
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They're fascists dude, and that kind of incoherence is a hallmark of fascism. The whole simultaneously strong and weak thing.
/r/MensRights17/12/20 08:20 PM
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This doesn't mean we don't organize into hierarchies however. It's just that those hierarchies are usually more chill and there's less games played to move up them. It's more; "The ten of us look around eachother and say; 'I reckon John should be in charge, he's pretty level headed and we all like him.', the others agreed and we set to trying to build a raft" as opposed to; "The ten of us look around, notice Emily there, and all start boasting about how amazing we are. Emily later hooks up with …
/r/MensRights15/12/20 03:52 PM
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It depends on whether they get wealthier or not like the 60s generation, and i'm inclined to say they won't. Social mobility is crippled and wages are stagnant while cost of living is rising. The 60s generation decided things were fine as they were because they were fine for them, and now they act bewildered and blame those younger than them for not being able to take advantage of the system like they did. Our generation is not likely to undergo the same process. Things will be unsatisfactory fo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/20 04:57 PM
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That's why they had to redefine the word. Same as they redefine sexism when it points out how they are behaving. It's part of a campaign of epistemic injustice, to remove the ability to articulate the wrongs they are doing to men by taking the words that define them, and changing their meaning in a DARVOish fashion.
/r/MensRights05/12/20 03:27 PM
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"Women have no agency or impact on their surroundings.".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 05:31 PM
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A paternity test prevents reproductive abuse. If women could take a pill or have a proceedure that made them immune to intimate partner abuse, they'd do it and they'd flip out at men for being misogynistic and selfish if men replied with "Why don't you trust me?!".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/20 02:27 PM
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If there was a pill women could take that would prevent them being domestically abused by partners, and men got angry or pissy with them for taking it, what do you think the reaction would be?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/20 01:19 PM
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Suppose women could take a pill that would prevent being domestically abused by a partner and then consider how quickly the 180 would occur on their arguments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/20 01:18 PM
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Worm by wildbow. It's available free online. It's amazing. (Minor spoilers) Premise is basically "What if PTSD caused superpowers to manifest". Main character is Taylor, a girl with the power to control all bugs in a certain radius. She wants to be a superhero, but decides to go undercover (without permission) in a villain gang that the heros have had trouble dealing with in order to gather intel before she switches sides. Themes: Trauma, power, violence, identities, arbitrary classifications, e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/20 08:47 AM
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"The feminism that only exists in feminists heads is real, and the feminism that impacts society is imaginary." War is peace, freedom is slavery, etc etc.
/r/MensRights03/12/20 08:34 AM
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It's a thought terminating response, not a coherent argument. It only needs to be superficially related to be convincing, even if it's logically little different than an unrelated "Yes but the sky is blue" as a response. Affective override and throwing tantrums can do the rest. (Affective override is where someone becomes unable to think logically because they are outraged). So the trick is simple; supply women a bunch of nonsense thought terminating cliches in response to criticism, and teach t…
/r/MensRights03/12/20 08:29 AM
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We aren't valued by society and are viewed as a nuisance at best and disposable at worst.
/r/MensRights26/11/20 12:18 AM
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The UK conservatives have been doing a "War on woke" strategy for about a year now. It's getting more normal for them to promote these views.
/r/MensRights22/11/20 06:40 PM
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They're attacking her for saying it because they have no self-awareness and think it's bad. Like if a far-right newspaper ran an article on all the pro-equality things someone had said and left it at that. Or from the other sides view; "Sanders wants to give you free healthcare, look at all these statements of him criticizing the health insurance industry and the problems it causes!", but without bothering to rebut any of it because they're just that insulated from differing opinions that they t…
/r/MensRights22/11/20 06:39 PM
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Live a civilian life in wartime.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 06:40 PM
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Left wing spaces don't make room for MRAs, right wing ones do. As a consequence, MRAs tend to drift right as they are exposed to more right wing ideas and rhetoric and immersed in right wing environments (Often being banned from left wing ones.). The black propaganda feminists engaged in to cast MRAs as right wingers infiltrating left wing spaces essentially turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy over the last two decades. We've seen a shift from MRAs being broadly divided down the middle as soc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/20 10:25 AM
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Gynocentrism.
/r/MensRights07/11/20 03:28 PM
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The iroquois are one example. lso, explain how societies that did not have an agricultural revolution are relevant to our society and a discussion about modern patriarchy. If you're suggesting patriarchy originates with agriculture, the presence of patriarchal societies that aren't agricultural dispute your notion that patriarchy stems from agriculture.
/r/MensRights05/11/20 09:10 AM
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It is common anthropological fact not even closely unique to Marxian theory. It's not a fact. It's a hypothesis, and it's largely unsupported by actual evidence. There are patrilineal cultures without agriculture, and agricultural cultures without patrilineal norms. The expansion of horticulture to a much larger scale so the food production replaces hunting and foraging demanded more work for which the male physique was optimized. Women naturally occupied the less strenuous work. The importance …
/r/MensRights05/11/20 08:09 AM
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This is not the case. There are agricultural societies without this, so the cause must be something else. The crass and bolshevik pure materialism of marx is not even supported by neo-marxists anymore.
/r/MensRights05/11/20 07:38 AM
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Dude, this is not a frequent issue. The issues of men are mostly universal. There may come a day when we need to fracture along the lines your suggesting, but it's not yet. These boards are not being overwhelmed with issues specific to non-western countries such that they detract attention from issues in first world ones.
/r/MensRights03/11/20 03:26 PM
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I believe in UK sexual assault has same maximum sentence as rape so put effort into something else is my advice. They don't have the same minimum sentence however. It means a man who kidnaps, tortures, and rapes a woman can theoretically get the same sentence as a woman who kidnaps, tortures, and rapes a man, sure. But if they "just" rape eachother, the man will see at least some years in prison, and the woman may see none at all.
/r/MensRights03/11/20 01:14 PM
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It is for men all over the world. Ignore and downvote those dudes.
/r/MensRights03/11/20 01:12 PM
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You're mistaken about how it works in the US: " A parent who voluntarily works fewer hours, is fired for cause, or switches to a lower-paying job, absent a valid reason, will be assessed child support based on his previous full-time income. Thus, a parent who quits his job to avoid paying child support will not be able to lawfully do so. This is an area which finds us in support court on a regular basis. Earning capacity is the amount the party would be expected to earn at a full-time job in his…
/r/MensRights03/11/20 07:07 AM
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It's only been 100 years since women got the vote and you all are already an angry, hot mess? Meanwhile, women are playing society like a fiddle, and you all just can't pull it together. This is largely because the values society has have shifted considerably. The attempt at equity (rather than equality) traditionalism provided fulfilled the needs and desires of both sexes for most of human history until the values people held shifted. It's not a matter of women resisting and suffering under the…
/r/MensRights03/11/20 06:59 AM
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It allows them to signal to eachother and recognize eachother as members of the hate movement. It normalizes derisive and hostile rhetoric to men to say it and defend it, and that rhetoric being normalized damages men, and feminists hate men. It allows them to engage in interpersonal abuse and gaslight their victims when their victims object, by engaging in motte and bailey strategies and then insulting their victims and gaslighting them when they point out how unjust the phrase is. (Such as by …
/r/MensRights02/11/20 01:20 PM
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They're products of their upbringing and society.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 01:02 PM
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Then it doesn't exist, as we do not have the primary power in terms of moral authority and social privilege.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 01:02 PM
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This is not the case. An example of why can be found in the right to not testify against your spouse on the basis of coveture. Because they were regarded as a single legal entity, neither a husband nor a wife could testify against the other partner, it was regarded as self-incrimination. If women were the property of men, this would mean women would not have been afforded this protection from their husbands testimony. Additionally, your property can be used to incriminate you in court, so the pr…
/r/MensRights02/11/20 12:56 PM
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There's no evidence for that theory though. It's just asserted outright without actually proving it to be true.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 12:55 PM
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Most of the jobs necessary to keep society actually functional are not easy or glamorous jobs that a privileged class willingly take on.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 12:53 PM
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sometimes I think if women just lack a general sense of fondness for men? I differ from the biological explanations below. This is a sociological phenomena and a result of feminism. It creates an in-group/out-group dynamic and teaches women to feel indifferent at best and hateful at worst.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 12:50 PM
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Sure. A lot of the changes men want are common sense and men have the right to boundaries also. I don’t think it’s a good idea to go to extremes. What extreme? I’ve worked closely with a lot of men. We did wonderful things. Like when a male co worker and I partnered together to give sex Ed to adolescents. I wanted to model for them that men and women could be friends and could talk about things like sex together without shame. That's good. I'm fairly skeptical you'd have handled it well, but it'…
/r/MensRights02/11/20 11:47 AM
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Why should men be forced to support the child if they don't want it, and are you aware of the mechanics of child support and how it actually functions? For instance; a woman raising a child with primary custody can, if she so decides, quit her high paying job and get one for lower pay that stresses her out less or makes her happier or was always her preferred career (Like switching from being a banker to a baker, for example). We don't regard that as something she should be put in prison for on …
/r/MensRights02/11/20 11:24 AM
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Certainly not all women, but enough of them that men are entitled to protect themselves.
/r/MensRights31/10/20 07:54 PM
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https://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/bitstream/handle/10012/6958/Yeung_Amy.pdf "In Study 1, I manipulated the target’s gender and responses on a subscale of the Ambivalent Sexism Inventory (high HS, low HS, high BS, or low BS). The low BS male target (compared to high BS male target) was judged to be higher on HS, less supportive of female professionals, less good of father and husband, and more likely to perpetrate domestic violence. Ratings of the low BS male target were as equally negative as those o…
/r/MensRights31/10/20 04:31 PM
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People are not disenfranchised for being white, but are for being male, at least on this issue based on these stats.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/20 02:41 PM
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Yeah, sorry about that.
/r/MensRights31/10/20 04:25 AM
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As for your deleted reply, because It's an important discussion: If you look at appalling behaviors committed by members of each sex, men aren't very appealing either now, are they? At least a woman isn't going to come shoot up the workplace if she gets fired. This is a typical expression of gynocentrism that deflects criticism away from women, as usual, and thus ensures they never improve. You're also taking an outlier and applying it to men, whereas I am discussing a fault with women as a grou…
/r/MensRights31/10/20 04:17 AM
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Men should not be forced to interact with people who have the levels of in-group bias women have. It is entitlement to say men should mentor women simply because if men don't, womens careers will suffer. Maybe if that is the case, women should become more appealing mentorees instead. On treating them the same, that's largely the point. Womens in group bias and warped perspective makes that impossible and they often refuse to come to terms with this. There's studies out there showing women percei…
/r/MensRights31/10/20 03:41 AM
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This is basically it, and then they rationalize backwards why it's sexist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/20 04:05 PM
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The solution is to convince men they should not listen to the things women say on the topic and to understand that their in-group bias makes them invalid participants in the conversation on equality. You don't ask deaf-from birth people what mozart sounds like.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/20 04:04 PM
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There's two possibilities here given how routinely this has been pointed out to them. They're legitimately not capable of understanding their in-group bias causes them to behave this way. or They're aware and doing it deliberately. Notice how both imply a similar response necessary; You need to understand they aren't worth taking seriously and cannot participate in this conversation as equals. So long as a woman has not thoroughly rejected feminist thought, she is either has a limited capacity, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/20 04:01 PM
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I am not from the UK, but where I am from they do hold women in a psychiatric hospital until the evaluation shows that you are no longer a danger to yourself. This presumes they are a danger to themselves, I.E, actually planning on committing suicide rather than engaged in suicidal ideation.
/r/MensRights27/10/20 04:35 PM
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Protocol may be different in some countries. I'm from the UK.
/r/MensRights27/10/20 04:23 PM
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The data for what? These are the terms. It's why psychologists and doctors ask you if you actually plan on comiting suicide, or if you're just thinking a lot about killing yourself. People with suicidal ideation tend to make spontaneous and unplanned attempts to kill themselves and don't follow through often. People with plans tend to actually go through with it and research it. It's why women end up in the hospital so often having "Attempted suicide" by taking a load of pills. Because they didn…
/r/MensRights27/10/20 04:13 PM
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Suicidal Ideation V Suicidal Intent. In short, if these women presented themselves to doctors offices they'd be given pills and therapy and told to go home. If these males presented themselves to doctors offices, they'd be committed and held in custody of the medical establishment for a few days or weeks in addition to the above. SSA is a result of suicidal intent. Cutting your wrists is a sign of suicidal ideation. Contrapoints made a comparison to these for politics the other day. It's the dif…
/r/MensRights27/10/20 04:04 PM
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Note that they claim the consultations pushed for this definition. They consulted with the groups pushing for the sexual offences act, so feminist groups. When internet rando feminists claim feminists support equal definitions of rape, they are historically ignorant.
/r/MensRights25/10/20 12:49 PM
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I'm sure some women might kick off if a male custodian did this, but those are freaks. The problem is our society is structured that we listen to the most obnoxious and self-absorbed women when they throw tantrums about this kind of thing. Frankly, most people, including most women, would ignore the custodians regardless of gender because they understand they've got a job to do and shit. Provided the custodian doesn't acknowledge them, they won't acknowledge the custodian. It sounds kind of clas…
/r/MensRights22/10/20 04:06 PM
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That's positive. I'm glad you're moving into a healthier atmosphere.
/r/MensRights21/10/20 02:09 PM
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I mean she's engaged in domestic abuse with you. I agree with the commenter below that you should try telling her how you feel about it and if she carries on, distance yourself. In between that, you can point out that she is abusing you. If she carries on anyway, try pointing out you don't have anywhere to go, but she does. If she carries on still, call a domestic abuse shelter and explain the situation, and ask them to take her off your hands. When (if) she refuses to go, go through and try and…
/r/MensRights21/10/20 01:38 PM
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Openly admitting that you've built your in-group solidarity on hating an out-group but don't see a problem with this is a hell of a take. She doesn't seem to realize the implication that feminism is reliant on hating men to maintain cohesion. She also doesn't seem to want to admit that the reason the hating men for "substantive" reasons fell out of fashion is that people kept pointing out feminists were telling lies and ignoring female perpetrators were more likely to face no consequences and ab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/20 09:39 AM
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It changed with Trump. Prior to that it was 50/50 with the ones on the right being Libertarian. Then Clinton with "Women are the primary victims" and Trump promising to reform campus kangaroo courts, and that's all it took.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/20 10:35 PM
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His post was terrible, but this isn't why nobody listens to men. They seek out excuses not to because it threatens their perception of the world.
/r/MensRights13/10/20 11:21 PM
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Depends on whether they are allowed to decide what healthy masculinity looks like themselves, or are told what it looks like from a feminist.
/r/MensRights13/10/20 04:15 PM
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Feminists are only about 20% of women. 20% of women are constantly making asses of themselves for sure.
/r/AntiFeminists12/10/20 01:51 PM
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Hmmmmmm... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2BZyD7HdW0 0:06 and 1:45
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/20 08:20 AM
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Why do so many of them abandon it the moment it comes to acknowledging mens issues then, and instead insist on viewing them through the lens of race, or poverty, while denying the male aspect to mens oppression? I put it to you that intersectionality is not the dominant paradigm. Excuse making and rationalizing whatever they need to to continue various narratives are. Intersectionality is a tool to be picked up when convenient and dropped when inconvenient. You can see this when discussing mens …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/20 08:00 PM
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It's people embarrassed that they fell for a con. Like someone wandering around saying "Richard Spencer is just pretending to be alt-right. Really it's about patriotism, and you can't be patriotic if you hate half the people in your country.". They don't want to admit they heard people like this say "Feminism is about equality" and believed them and so became feminists themselves, because it would mean admitting they were rubes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/20 07:08 AM
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The reason there is no push back is because we're aware that they don't actually have any empathy for men so there's no actual "convincing them to stop" that can occur. The solutions all revolve around amassing power to shut them down and marginalize them from society. Find other people who oppose misandry and work with them to infiltrate institutions, start companies, and so on. Support other pro-male groups financially and so on.
/r/MensRights05/10/20 10:32 AM
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Who decided that the demographic on tv shows has to match the real world population? Uh, you guys did? Statista has done data analysis on movie viewers and found that in 2019, 61% of movie-goers were caucasian while over 72% of lead roles were caucasian. Cinema is not the only venue by which movies are watched. So, do tell, how is the existence of black men associating with white women and children in media a blatant attack on white men? It isn't provided there are comparative representations of…
/r/MensRights05/10/20 07:00 AM
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Please elaborate.
/r/MensRights04/10/20 04:09 PM
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White males are actually underrepresented in the media in terms of proportion to population, and are more often demonized and cast as violent, thieves, or villains than other groups. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gays-and-ethnic-minorities-over-represented-on-tv-n7xcqftgz As the study notes this is particularly the case in children's programming.
/r/MensRights04/10/20 07:00 AM
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I'm replying to you agreeing with Czareen. So you may as well have written what they wrote. Which aspect of my criticism of your view is inaccurate specifically and how?
/r/MensRights03/10/20 03:07 PM
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The demonization of white males in media doesn't go away because black males are being portrayed positively. You've done the fundamental feminist conceit here; "If it's good for group A, then it must be good, and the fact it's bad for group B is irrelevant.". In doing so you are showing you don't value all people equally. The issue is the demonization of white males, not the positive portrayal of black males. You're engaged in Afrocentrism, akin to the Gynocentrism feminists engage in, where you…
/r/MensRights03/10/20 11:58 AM
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The demonization of white males in media doesn't go away because black males are being portrayed positively. You've done the fundamental feminist conceit here; "If it's good for group A, then it must be good, and the fact it's bad for group B is irrelevant.". In doing so you are showing you don't value all people equally. The issue is the demonization of white males, not the positive portrayal of black males. You're engaged in Afrocentrism, akin to the Gynocentrism feminists engage in, where you…
/r/MensRights03/10/20 11:58 AM
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The demonization of white males in media doesn't go away because black males are being portrayed positively. You've done the fundamental feminist conceit here; "If it's good for group A, then it must be good, and the fact it's bad for group B is irrelevant.". In doing so you are showing you don't value all people equally. The issue is the demonization of white males, not the positive portrayal of black males. You're engaged in Afrocentrism, akin to the Gynocentrism feminists engage in, where you…
/r/MensRights03/10/20 11:55 AM
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I'd ammend this to add that they want to control men and be pampered by them without any consequences or responsibilities at all except those they opt in for, and they want to be oblivious to this fact and have it never pointed out or discussed. Their avoidance of consequences extends even to avoiding the psychological consequences of enforcing inequality on society for their own benefit.
/r/MensRights03/10/20 11:47 AM
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Why not?
/r/MensRights03/10/20 11:46 AM
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Check the study on "Maternal gatekeeping" to understand how this just the newest iteration of women refusal to take responsibility for the negative results their agency has and viewing everything through the lens of "patriarchy" to blame men for it. Maternal gatekeeping is directly correlated with the amount of involvement men have in domestic responsibilities. A lack of it predicts a man as an involved and active parent and homemaker, and the presence of it predicts the opposite. This suggests …
/r/MensRights03/10/20 11:14 AM
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Suddenly when it can be used as a threat, they acknowledge how ruthless the child support system is to men.
/r/MensRights23/09/20 02:24 PM
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Ah, it's a UK show and article. Not sure this criticism would apply in the US.
/r/MensRights22/09/20 07:37 PM
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85,000 rapes of women per year UK. 2% of 85,000 is 1,700 per year. (As in, 1,700 false accusations by women.). 671 murder victims last year. So almost 300% more likely to be falsely accused than murdered. That's if we take the lowest number of false accusations and only accept those proven to be false and submitted to the police..
/r/MensRights22/09/20 07:27 PM
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It's a doubly stupid argument that they just throw out as a thought terminating cliche to avoid confronting female privilege. Even if we take the low numbers she uses (the 2-10% proven to be false accusations), given the number of rapes that occur (to both sexes), you're more likely to be falsely accused of rape than murdered. Again, even if you accept their lowballing of the prevalence. The odds are; 1st: raped 2nd: falsely accused 3rd: murdered But she didn't go on a rant about how shows prete…
/r/MensRights22/09/20 04:58 PM
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What they refuse to acknowledge is that it doesn't stay in their spaces. The generalisations they normalise there end up being repeated when they go out into the real world. Thats WHY men followed them back to the source, found a hive of generalisations and propoganda, and kept pointing it out. If it stayed in twoX nobody would care. Its because it moves from those places to social media spaces meant for everyone to mainstream media and then these generalisations and erasure of mens issues becom…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/20 02:29 PM
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You can support womens rights and mens rights. You can't support feminism and mens rights.
/r/MensRights17/09/20 01:04 PM
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Imagine hating men so much you decide that young boys are mentally ill for being different from girls.
/r/MensRights17/09/20 01:02 PM
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Feminism.
/r/MensRights17/09/20 01:02 PM
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Their ideology leads them to the conclusion that men are the source of all evil in the world.
/r/MensRights12/09/20 11:19 PM
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"Men are poisoned by their spouses far more often than women are, this is evidence men are oppressed." "Why don't you cook more then?" "Don't change the subject.".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/20 05:24 PM
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We know she has form on lying about rape given that she uses stats the dramatically undersell the number of male victims. So it's a fair question. If she lies about hundreds of thousands of rapes and does that professionally and for a living, why not one more?
/r/MensRights08/09/20 07:16 PM
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Women seen as superior to men at caregiving and feminine tasks: Misogyny, because it makes them do it and them being viewed as superior at it doesn't mean anything in that evaluation, only that it makes them do it. Men seen as superior to women at any other task: Also misogyny, because it views men as superior, and that it means men have to do it doesn't mean anything in that evaluation, only that they are viewed as superior. The only consistency they have is gynocentrism. They have no other pri…
/r/MensRights18/08/20 02:14 PM
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There's times it's appropriate to bring up and times it isn't, and I far more often see the latter. It's also never framed in the appropriate context and discussed who exactly is teaching boys not to cry (mothers) and is instead left implied that men are simply deciding not to out of the blue. There's also a strong element of female privilege in the assumption that it's just a matter of "Opening up" and "Deciding to do it" rather than it being a result of years of ingrained training and conditio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/20 01:03 PM
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There's times it's appropriate to bring up and times it isn't, and I far more often see the latter. It's also never framed in the appropriate context and discussed who exactly is teaching boys not to cry (mothers) and is instead left implied that men are simply deciding not to out of the blue. There's also a strong element of female privilege in the assumption that it's just a matter of "Opening up" and "Deciding to do it" rather than it being a result of years of ingrained training and conditio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/20 12:54 PM
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Telling men how to handle their problems and how it should effect their identity is fucked up. if men want to feel aggrieved by them that's their business. They shouldn't have to feel vulnerable just because that's what women expect them to feel.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/20 10:17 AM
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If, hypothetically, men as a group shifted their behaviour, I think women would have no choice but to shift their own selection standards according to the choices available. Hypergamy is a thing. Women only need a small section of men to adhere to womens preferences to make a majority of other men not adhering to them an abdication of womens interest in them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/20 10:15 AM
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It's also like telling a person with broken legs to walk and then acting like they're doing it on purpose when they don't. Most men are raised in a particular way where doing this kind of thing is incredibly difficult for them not because of shame or anything but because their ability to do it has been neutered. It's as usual framing sexism against men as something they can just act differently and fix themselves. Instead of "It's okay to cry", they should be saying "Teach mothers not to psychol…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/20 10:14 AM
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Disagree. The amount of energy put into derailing discussion of solutions for mens issues into discussions of how men should open up more emotionally makes this an apt thing to note.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/20 10:11 AM
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You can get some women to cotton on to this if they pull it on you by getting them discuss womens issues and just spamming them with "It's okay to cry about it" and derailing any suggestions they make for actual solutions. Some of them will throw a tantrum, some of them will have a realization of what a cunt they have been to men by doing that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/20 10:10 AM
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Missing is Media bias and systemic marginalization of mens issues because of societal gynocentrism. Arguably comes under "Invalidation".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/20 10:08 AM
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Cognitive dissonance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/20 12:14 PM
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"The last labour government-" - Tories, almost 15 years into governing the country. "But patriarchy made those rules" - Feminists, almost 40 years into controlling gender relations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/20 07:33 PM
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"Do you expect men to do it for you?"
/r/MensRights05/08/20 02:12 PM
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I mean, I'm going to validate you. I really appreciate you doing what you're doing, and we both know you're doing it because you care about people (Or at least, care about fairness in the abstract) to the point you're willing to join a marginalized and disparaged group because it's the right thing to do. But it's not sexual validation, because ofcourse it isn't. I'm sorry you had this experience.
/r/MensRights04/08/20 09:57 AM
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Men are discriminated against in practically all other fields, so they gravitate to these ones. This is then used as evidence of discrimination against women. It'd be like if we were extremely racist to black people in every sport except one, and then acted like it was evidence of black supremacy that they entered that sport at high rates.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/20 12:10 AM
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If you notice how the media is spinning this, you'll notice that high class men have the same protection and spin as women in general. "Forced to have sex with" is a term only applies to rapists who are women, or powerful men. Other men get called "Rapist.". When the extent of female privilege is such that they're getting the same treatment as royalty, that might be suggestive. It also undermines the argument that the reason women rapists aren't treated seriously is to do with masculine norms, s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/20 10:37 AM
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Considering it's women + children, this means that males (including male children) made up well over 50%. If male children are also killed more than female children, then we might be looking at a 70-30 or 80-20 rate.
/r/MensRights28/07/20 10:28 PM
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"outlived their usefulness?" AreWeTheBaddies.Meme
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/20 11:16 AM
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Most cases of mass hysteria involve women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/20 02:30 PM
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BLM has broadly aligned itself ideology with progressive identity politics on the topic of gender. It's not surprising that as a result women are more in favor and men more opposed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/20 02:29 PM
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This is pretty common. The notion that people might have contempt for women because they are behaving in a contemptible fashion is verbotten, something feminists are straight up unwilling to contemplate when it comes to women, but are more than happy to defend when it comes to men. You shouldn't feel guilty about your feelings. Just accept them. It'll make them less intense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/20 01:54 PM
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It's not just this, but that's a good description of the dynamic. It's that feminists gaslit an entire generation of boys and psychologically abused them by tellling them lies, telling them that what they were plainly seeing (Women finding masculinity attractive) was untrue and if they thought it they were evil and had something wrong with them. They did this to gaslight many young males into not being as masculine so that women could benefit from that situation financially and socially and expl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/20 01:49 PM
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Precisely right and the studies show it. It arises from feminists being incapable of self-reflection and challenging the toxic aspects of womens identity. An entire generation of men has been betrayed in this fashion. It's the one thing you can point to to justify "I do not need to listen to anything you say, because when I do, it ruins aspects of my life and you don't care about it. If you wanted to be taken seriously, you shouldn't have done that."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/20 01:45 PM
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It's a holding pen where they try and direct men into in order to control discussion and contain the growth of interest in mens issues. Ofcourse they want you to sit around discussing theory rather than discussing praxis.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/20 01:37 PM
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But there would also be commentary about how women get called irrational for these things while men don't. (Ignoring that men get called sexist when they do it, which is basically calling them "Irrational and evil"). Seems to me you're confirming the double standard being discussed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/20 01:34 PM
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Challenging gynocentrism would challenge their privilege, so when you try and shift away from gynocentrism, they lash out and claim you're "derailing" rather than addressing a sexist imbalance.
/r/MensRights24/07/20 08:58 AM
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It's a movement that has abusive gaslighting as a core mechanic of how it operates. Like how an abuser will turn from "You're a worthless piece of shit nobody could love" to "I love you" as and when convenient for the abuser.
/r/MensRights24/07/20 08:56 AM
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Feminists always project.
/r/MensRights22/07/20 04:38 PM
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This is because of the work-life balance gap and women having more freedom than men to personalize their workplace arrangement. The wage gap only applies to full time male workers currently in a relationship with a woman. Single men earn less, part time working men earn less, and so on. In terms of household incomes, households with women are paid more than households with men, and households with both outearn single-sex households. The feminist trick is in trying to convince you this is a women…
/r/MensRights22/07/20 04:37 PM
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This happens to women too when it comes to getting tubes tied. It's more impactful for men since they have absolutely no fertility control options they can take without a womans permission or knowledge, but the specific example applies to both.
/r/MensRights22/07/20 04:32 PM
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Market socialism seems to work out pretty well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/20 09:43 AM
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"Misandry" and "Internalized misandry.". The only reason they started using toxic masculinity is that they are toddlers who couldn't admit to themselves they were wrong for opposing those terms for decades, and because it's a dethatched term that removes "Misandrist" from discussion and subtly frames the issue in rhetorical terms differently, even if they'd deny that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/20 10:28 AM
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Men are most of the homeless, most of the prisoners, most of the disadvantaged and needy in society in general. They face most violence and rarely receive redress for their grievances. They are dehumanized in the media, and failed by the education and justice systems. If you define being an oppressed minority as not being able to be a CEO, you're a feminist. (Even though not everyone can be a CEO anyway and this impacts less than 0.1% of the population). If you define being an oppressed minority…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/20 07:02 PM
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I wouldn't know what you're counting as a majority. It's possible to be sure, but that may well be because of disparate support from the right compared to the left. The left will not support left wing MRA spokespeople, even though they are out there. I don't think any MRA social democrats are going to be convinced to become anarcho-capitalists by hearing right-wing MRAs, and the demographic surveys show it's a pretty divided movement in that sense, about half left wing, half right wing. Where it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/20 06:59 PM
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I've noticed something similar when you talk about how women raping men face no consequences. They immediately shift the conversation to men making jokes about male rape victims and insisting they only ever see men do that. They are unable to keep the conversation about women doing something negative because they have serious psychological problems caused by feminist propaganda and how it has trained them to immediately deflect all demands for better behavior from women onto some way men are at …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/20 06:48 PM
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Correcting feminist misinformation is characterized as derailing in almost all womens subs, even if it's provably misinformation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/20 06:46 PM
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Farrell is a social democrat. Half the honey badgers are social democrats. The OG MRA was a socialist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/20 06:39 PM
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There's always going to be right wingers in the MRM, and there's always going to be left wingers. The mere presence of people who disagree doesn't indicate it's leaning one way or the other in particular.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/20 06:28 PM
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Dude, Menslib is an anti-male sub. That's why they delete stuff like this. You shouldn't participate there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/20 02:01 PM
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Can you talk to us about your experience as a non-feminist mother and your view on these topics, as well as what led you to them?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/20 01:59 PM
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Seek clarification rather than lashing out at fellow sub-users.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/20 01:58 PM
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Feminists abusing their sons because they hate their fathers. What's new.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/20 12:52 PM
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It's an extension of their decades long temper tantrum and denial that misandry is a thing. They started using toxic masculinity when the backlash over them denying misandry existed got too much for them. But note that this is a stop-gap measure for their filibuster bigotry, since they're using "Toxic masculinity" to demarcate the discussion and isolate it, not discussing internalized sexism for men and so on, or "Misandrists", etc. It's a way for them to admit mens issues exist (finally), while…
/r/MensRights28/06/20 06:56 PM
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"The British government cares about the Irish now. That we've treated like like shit historically is no reason for them to have independence, even though they declared it long before we decided to stop being dickheads.". Not your choice to make mate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/20 01:25 PM
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Is this book Academic enough to be used for citations?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/20 11:05 AM
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The history of the movement is anti-male and yes it amounts to an anti-male agenda.
/r/MensRights27/06/20 10:30 AM
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A large part of the modern south is about building communities with black people, and therefore we should celebrate the confederate flag. If feminists want to be taken seriously as not hating men, they shouldn't call themselves feminists. If you want to be taken seriously as anti-racist, don't fly the confederate flag. Pretty basic stuff. Because if they're claiming feminism is an equality movement, that necessarily involves denying the abuses it has done to men and its history as a hate movemen…
/r/MensRights27/06/20 01:28 AM
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Before I forget, there's that study showing that after the financial crisis, the number of men under 30 who were having no sex skyrocketed, but the number of women having no sex stayed the same. (Suggesting women were still having sex, just with a smaller subset of men). It seems that for men, sexual opportunities are tied to success within capitalism whereas for women that isn't the case. This is worth pointing out when women throw out incel and so on as an insult, because they often like to pr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/20 07:22 PM
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"The roads just exist. They're not a thing someone has to construct" is something someone who hasn't thought about it would believe. Women are actively encouraged to think this way about the labor men do in many ways. Expressing it as something that "Just happens" is an expression of female privilege.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/20 03:30 PM
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It's kind of like the galbrush problem. If you show a zany, erratic, and stupid woman doing all the shit homer simpson gets up to, it has to be played positively, as though this makes her desirable. (Closest thing is the "Manic pixie girl" thing). It has to be framed as positive and life-affirming, something that awakens the husband spiritually to see her do and so on. Because that she could just be a fuckup and a Moron who keeps causing herself and those around her problems is verboten, as our …
/r/MensRights23/06/20 04:14 PM
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I can help if you want. Send me some questions or contact details.
/r/MensRights23/06/20 04:02 PM
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In concept i'm fine with single parents being celebrated on both mothers day and fathers day. But if you posted "Happy mothers day to all the single dads", they'd absolutely flip their lid.
/r/MensRights22/06/20 03:45 PM
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They're not greedy. They've managed to memefiy sociopathic narcissism. They're so self-absorbed they don't understand the problem and genuinely see it as fair. Imagine a string of words you could say to make a person turn into a serial killer, like a memetic hazard. That's what feminism is in terms of narcissistic personality disorder. Women who internalize it become selfish narcissists, and the system of ideas and rationalizations feminism represents prevents them from understanding that's how …
/r/MensRights20/06/20 03:50 PM
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Conquest and Imperialism. Noteworthy about the feminist narrative is it is at it's core fundamentally racist for this reason, seeking to spin the actions of an oppressor as the result of victimhood. The reason women adopted the roles they did and accepted them is that churning out waves of soldiers to conquer other nations was beneficial to them. More beneficial than alternatives. The material gain this afforded women In terms of quality of life is why they supported it. Once that dynamic change…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/20 01:17 PM
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What I don't get is, feminists routinely acknowledge these days the "Vocal minority" who hate men. So even from their perspective, right? Even from their view, it's like this. They're in a group working to end racism. There are some people they recognize are neo-nazis in this group who use it as an excuse to be massive racists. They try not to associate with them much, but you know, it's difficult to discern their input unless you pay close attention, still, they are a minority, so it's not a bi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/20 05:44 AM
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Modern femininity thanks to feminism is built on a victim complex. Feminists project their own psychological problems onto men. Like, when they talk about how a mans masculinity is threatened if he sees a woman doing something masculine, and seeks to stop her doing that thing? Womens identity is threatened when men suffer, because their identity is based on melodramatic victim complex thanks to decades of feminism warping them by telli. This is the female version of the kind of tantrum a psychol…
/r/MensRights19/06/20 08:09 PM
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It's the elites backlash and punishment of the populace for occupy wall street.
/r/MensRights18/06/20 03:48 PM
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Having a sub specifically to document how AITA is full of misandrists could be funny, and routinely tricking them like this might spark some self-awareness.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/20 11:07 PM
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Misery is a good one with reversed roles. Novelist Paul Sheldon crashes his car in a Colorado snowstorm while driving west to celebrate finishing his latest book. His legs shattered, he is rescued by Annie Wilkes, a former nurse, who takes him to her isolated house in the countryside. She claims that she is his No. 1 fan and loves his Misery novels, as well as their main heroine Misery Chastain. However, the next Misery novel is released while he's in her care, and Annie finds out that Misery di…
/r/MensRights13/06/20 01:03 AM
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The first step for nations like the US is to have decent public services. Income Poverty in the US and UK is comparable, but the difference in the poor in the UK have their health and housing paid for, and in emergencies, they can get food even if they spend all their welfare on drugs. This would cut violence massively. Then you need to address fatherlessness, child support debt (Which in itself is based on the notion that kids welfare should be dependent on their parents rather than society in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/20 02:17 AM
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Not only this, but Obama's term involved injecting shitloads of funds into Identity politics groups and stuff like the title 9 letter. On top of that, the parties divided along demographic lines much more openly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/20 02:29 PM
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Women were able to get jobs in the CCP, but did not have obligations to share their wages with family members. This is the consequence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/20 01:32 PM
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The woman in the pic is a hero. https://misandrytoday.com/bill-gates-is-sexist-towards-non-feminist-women-and-hes-being-sued-for-it/ She's an advocate for men, and she's the one who took these screenshots. She's an academic specialized in PTSD in the military and has monitored feminist private groups on LinkedIn after infiltrating them, gathering thousands of screenshots of this kind to prove their public statements and private ones are wildly different.
/r/MensRights06/06/20 11:43 PM
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I'm British, Labour party. Yeah I can understand why someone would want right wing capitalism, I just don't think it's best for societies wellbeing.
/r/MensRights05/06/20 12:02 AM
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I don't support communism, but recognizing the areas it outperformed capitalism can help us to regulate capitalism a little to make up for those shortcomings. I'm more of a social democrat. Harness capitalism and accept a little less efficiency by taxing to provide for the worst off, rather than abolishing it outright and having the state manage everything.
/r/MensRights04/06/20 11:52 PM
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The drawbacks eventually outweighed the positives, but there were things that were better there than in the west.
/r/MensRights04/06/20 11:14 PM
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It's a USSR nostalgia theme park masquerading as a country.
/r/MensRights04/06/20 11:13 PM
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Subscribed mate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 03:52 PM
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He also ignores the parental abandonment policies instituted to allow women to use "Drop-off" centers to abandon children they can't cope with. Because they killed children otherwise. There's also a question to be raised as to whether its in "Childrens interests" for single-parenthood to be made easier by the state, but feminists argued that forcing women to remain in relationships on the basis it's best for children was unjust to women, so we changed it. So why is "it's best for the kids" allow…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 03:41 PM
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So spamming people with requests they do something is a form of coercion? Hmm. Does that mean feminism = slavery, because it forces men into performing tasks they've repeatedly said no to until they get tired and just give in?
/r/MensRights04/06/20 12:38 PM
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If you're discussing rape and claim 98% of rapists are men, or that circumcision isn't the same as FGM, and someone comes in to point out that's not true, that isn't whataboutism. Routinely that's the issue I see there. Women talking about the issue not in terms of how it effects women, but in such a way that erases and minimizes male experience of that issue, and then throwing a tantrum when people object to that while gaslighting them to say they're doing a "Whataboutism" when the discussion i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 11:39 AM
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The second thread is also full of false stats that erase male victims, such as claiming 98% of rapists are men. (Based on defining rape as penetration, not forced sex).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 11:36 AM
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If you gave in to scientologists harassing society until they got a "Scientology department" at universities, you could expect similar batshittery and fabrication of data as we've seen from feminists, some nonsense about how scientologists are better at everything, because the sort of person who gets a doctorate in that field is a lunatic with an agenda to push and isn't afraid to fabricate data to do it. The solution is to disband their departments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 07:45 AM
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They seemed pretty confident they could just scream "Misogyny" and throw a tantrum if we tried to ban abortion over them doing it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 07:37 AM
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Sex-selective abortions until a sufficient numerical majority, followed by putting men into camps, some of which would be prison camps where they would remain as the survivors used as breeding stock and for anthropological study and so on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 07:30 AM
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It's not a strawman if you're ineffective at communicating, i'm sorry to break it to you, and your refusal to clarify doesn't exactly help matters.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 03:22 AM
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It's a reference to a gendercidal screed too (The paper arguing for the extermination of 90% of men). A dogwhistle for violent misandry that became popular enough to lose that original connotation while embodying a different form of misandry as those using it as a dogwhistle came up with excuses to justify it that became popular.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 03:20 AM
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Because that's precisely what it is. That's what those words mean. What's the alternative meaning you're gleaning from them? Elaborate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 03:11 AM
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Medical personnel have a strict duty to ensure that their procedures are conducted with as little risk as possible. Within the context of arguing gay people shouldn't be allowed to donate blood, how is this not conflating the risk of infected blood, with the risk of gay blood?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 03:04 AM
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I'm not strawmanning you. I think you're just unable to admit you took a bad position, hence your insistence everyone else move on. Or, being charitable, maybe you're just not any good at communicating. Why don't you try explaining your position a little better then? Or better yet, if you want to prove i'm strawmanning you, quote precisely how and explain your point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 03:02 AM
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You didn't make both though. You shifted into a values based argument away from a scientific one after it was pointed out to you that conflating someones lifestyle with their health is prejudiced and not based on good science. Once that was done you said "Well they don't have a right to donate this so it's okay". Maybe they should have that right? What exactly do you think your basis for determining whether something should be a right or not is any less emotionally based than someone else determ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 02:59 AM
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It's that film is a language and that's now what those "words" mean, those those words are changing. Back when people would absolutely flip their lid about someone being gay being portrayed on television, they used effeminacy and hinted at it to get the idea across and it stuck in peoples heads. It's like a dogwhistle.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 02:55 AM
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It's a values argument, not an emotional one. Further, you've shifted from "You don't have a right to X" into pretending you're having a scientific argument. If you're arguing it produces negative health outcomes to allow gay people to donate blood, that's a scientific argument. But you're not arguing that, you're arguing a values based argument on rights and so on. As such, noting that it's a matter of human dignity and so on is perfectly valid. There is no scientific basis to claim "X is not a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 02:50 AM
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They do test all batches now afaik. The questionnaire is there to lower the number of unhealthy doses not because they won't be detected anyway, but because of how they test in batches. (As you noted, it's financially impossible to test each donation individually. So instead donations are pooled together into batches of hundreds/thousands and mixed up. Then tested. It's cheaper to taint 999 good samples by mixing a bad sample into it and thus throw out all 1000 samples than it is to test all 100…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 02:45 AM
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Donors are batched into 1000's, then the batch is tested as a whole. It's cheaper to throw out 999 healthy samples you batched with an unhealthy one than to test all 1000 individually. If their argument is that "When we try that with gay people, we end up throwing out lots of batches because even a slightly higher rate of infection has massive repercussions" then that's one thing, but I haven't seen any evidence of it. When you get a bag of blood from somewhere, that's lots and lots of peoples b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 02:42 AM
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It's a matter of human dignity. People must be allowed to contribute to the collective wellbeing as much as any other person unless there is a good reason they shouldn't. That's also ignoring the implication of saying gay individuals have "Bad blood" and all the negative connotations of that and how that may impact the discrimination they receive from individuals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 02:41 AM
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Sure.
/r/MensRights04/06/20 01:28 AM
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Sorry for the double reply; but let's examine the three examples you used - Divorce, Property, and Voting. In the hands of feminists, these were the outcomes produced by their legislation. Your focus on how these were positive for women ignores that they weren't equal. Example: Divorce law and courts are stacked against men thanks to feminists, especially in the example of child custody. you can't laud the laws feminists passed while ignoring that aspect of them, unless you want to focus on wome…
/r/MensRights04/06/20 01:21 AM
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White supremacy has done nice things for white people but that doesn't make it good. If your defense of feminism is "It did nice things for women", then that's a terrible defense. It's also impossible to divorce the theory from the practice. It's like arguing "Stalinism industrialized the USSR and that's good, that's what Stalinism is supposed to be. Not the gulags, that's bad.". No, Stalinism is both of those things. That's what the ideology is in practice. Similarly, feminism is both a system …
/r/MensRights04/06/20 01:11 AM
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There was a study that showed people react to the same information framed differently positively if it's pro-woman and negatively if it's pro-men. For example a study showing women are less combative in business is seen as positive and people support it. If you phrase the same results as women being less competitive (The same thing), they flip out, question the results, accuse the researcher of harboring animosity to women, and so on. It goes beyond merely supporting evidence of women being bett…
/r/MensRights04/06/20 12:14 AM
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They did the same thing with domestic violence studies for over 30 years. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233717660_Thirty_Years_of_Denying_the_Evidence_on_Gender_Symmetry_in_Partner_Violence_Implications_for_Prevention_and_Treatment
/r/MensRights04/06/20 12:12 AM
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Police are given power with little oversight or accountability. In that situation, some will use that power against categories who society doesn't care about so the police officer can feel powerful through the exercise of power. Maleness, blackness, poorness, homelessness, mental illness, and so on, are all categories that society deems undesirable and so won't kick up a fuss if the cops are violent to them. Compare/contrast if a cop arresting a Hollywood actor decided to lean on their neck for …
/r/MensRights04/06/20 12:10 AM
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Feminism is misandry. The reason you think otherwise is misandrists giving it a good name, and you falling for it, while explaining away slips of the mask as "Giving it a bad name" rather than exposing the underlying hatred. It has been misandry in practice for decades now. The institutional impact of feminism and its legacy is more important than the superficial lies and justifications those institutions peddle to fool people like yourself into support it. Like, remember the confederate flag? m…
/r/MensRights03/06/20 11:54 PM
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Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they se…
/r/MensRights03/06/20 11:51 PM
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The pink tax also misframes the issue. Femininity is higher status than masculinity and this is reflected in the prices, some as other status signifying goods that perform the same function cost more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/20 03:42 PM
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It's permeated institutions, but not voters.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/20 01:44 AM
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They want to keep men lesser while maximizing womens power and freedom. Sex positivity increases womens power and freedom, and so when men are kept subjugated to the point they're comfortable with it they'll adopt sex positivity. When men begin to assert themselves and their rights, feminists will jettison this and turn to sex negativity in order to attack men more. This harms women, but provided it also harms men, they're fine with it. ​ You can see this shift on a number of other issues too. I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 01:16 PM
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Any male who works with her could easily hit the jackpot in discrimination by filing a complaint when she inevitably makes a hostile comment. The company would then either have to sack her (Which they've demonstrated they wont), or will have to convince a jury that they didn't knowingly create a hostile work environment by hiring this woman and allowing her to work with men. Given the egregious and very public nature of her comments they also knew about it before a complaint even got filed. So y…
/r/MensRights25/05/20 08:50 AM
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Testosterone poisoning is pretty obviously sexist. I don't really mind manful as it describes a phenomena where men tend to be harder hit by viral and bacterial diseases due to immune system differences. If used derisively it's a problem, but it's a short and simple way to get across the concept.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/20 12:39 PM
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Master-Slave dialectic, but with the caveat that they conceive of their mastery (I.E, their right to demand and control the slave) through the prism of being aggrieved. ​ Instead of "I am superior so you must do what I say" it's "I am a victim of injustice so you must do what I say.". The same way if you challenge the masters identity on superiority they lash out, so it goes for these women. Their victimhood status affords them master status and they are desperate to keep it, because without it,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 11:56 PM
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Female fragility. Their identity is based on victimhood and challenging that makes them feel attacked.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 11:54 PM
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"Why don't men let us talk about womens issues without interrupting?" *Proceeds to mischaracterize a bunch of mens issues*. ​ The lack of self-awareness is astounding. ​ Which of these is going to be interrupted by a man; ​ "Women experience 50% of domestic violence" v "Women experience 98% of domestic violence." ​ They either don't understand that the way they discuss womens issues means they are also implicitly minimizing mens issues and dismissing them, or they do understand and they're just …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 11:53 PM
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I don't. I take a much more hardline transhumanist approach to it. ​ The transgender ideologues response to attack helicopter memes was to waffle about how gender is special and different and so on. ​ My response would be; "That's dope as fuck my dude. I sure hope one day we'll be in a situation where you can upload your brain into an attack helicopter, and you should know i'll support your journey there. I sure am glad we can all introspect and think about what our ideal expression of our ident…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 05:27 PM
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The sub was founded by people who were very left wing, but it's expanded as a result of them holding very different views on what that entails. (Communism, market socialism, anarchism, and so on.). Now it's vaguely "This is a space for discussing mens rights from any perspective left of centre", and that's probably for the best to foster discussion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 05:24 PM
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Great video.
/r/MensRights20/05/20 05:11 AM
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If you consent to sex with a condom, and someone has sex with you by sabotaging it or removing it, then they have raped you. ​ It's a positive ruling, and potentially opens the door to lawsuits about lying being on the pill too.
/r/MensRights20/05/20 02:12 AM
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If he is also poor that's good news as he won't be able to outgun you on your lawyer. You can get him to stop libeling you with a simple and cheap lawyer and he may be unwilling to pay to even fight and may just take it down as soon as he gets a letter from a lawyer.
/r/MensRights20/05/20 02:09 AM
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There's the UN policy to give food to women in disaster areas, but not men, on the basis the women will distribute it. This is a gendercidal policy that impacts men without women in their household (Or those whose women died in the disaster.), and was enacted by feminists. ​ The issue is that this feminist is trying to use individual violence as the measure when there's no reason to limit the discussion of violence to that. Institutional violence also matters. I can freely concede that provided …
/r/MensRights19/05/20 01:51 AM
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https://imgflip.com/i/41yz6t Lazy meme response.
/r/MensRights18/05/20 10:41 PM
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Oh no, SOCIALIST TAKE! (Bare in mind, feminists pretend to be on the left a lot. Even if you disagree with the left, it points out a hypocrisy.) ​ Working class women worked and always have. Upper class women didn't, but framing that as "Oppression" is suspect, as they could have easily have declared "Fuck this, fuck you all, i'm going to go work in a coal mine for a pittance." but they elected not to. They were barred from jobs in the upper classes. ​ What they wanted was to gain the benefits o…
/r/MensRights13/05/20 11:44 PM
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This ignores that women were allowed to work. Working class women worked and always have. Upper class women didn't, but framing that as "Oppression" is incredibly dubious, as they could have easily up and decided "Fuck this, fuck you all, i'm going to go work in a coal mine for a pittance, marry a coal miner, and spend our days down the mines and our nights recovering together with our children, whom also work down the mines.". They elected not to. What they wanted was to gain the benefits of ex…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/20 11:12 PM
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Average body guard salary: $180,000 a year. Average maid salary: 35 to $60,000 a year. "Unpaid Labour". Hmm.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/20 10:07 PM
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Thanks bro. :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/20 06:04 AM
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Because they hate men and play word games.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/20 05:04 AM
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Sophistry and word games is primarily how they operate. It's a linguistic battle to control framing and place negative frames on men, positive ones on women, and then bolster that through other means.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/20 05:03 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfAwarewolves/comments/ggnzpi/men_dont_hide_their_emotions_because_of_toxic/fq8ofld/?context=3 ​ Can't copy paste properly on a phone. Long write up on why this argument is dumb. I'd appreciate if anyone can save it before they delete it or some shit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/20 05:02 AM
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You should realize that the same reason you were afraid to speak out (The angry and abusive backlash) is why some people won't come to your aid with their posts. But there's people who saw them and agreed with them and didn't want to get involved. Don't feel alone, and there's probably more people on your FB who agree with you than you realize.
/r/MensRights06/05/20 10:52 PM
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"Not being allowed to be president is a civil thing, not a criminal one, so it's not the same and we can relax the standard.".
/r/MensRights06/05/20 01:36 AM
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More people would die for sure, but I think it's actually questionable if more would die from the virus. The old and infirm might starve before they managed to catch it. ​ More people would catch the virus for sure, and there would be more deaths, but whether those deaths would be due to the virus is up in the air. The virus is targeting people who social safety nets typically apply to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/20 06:27 PM
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I don't agree with this stance. But I also don't agree with people reacting like this is trolling. ​ If you have animal rights as a framework, then this is a coherent way to also inject mens rights into that worldview. I'm not an animal rights activist, I tend toward animal welfare, but if I were, I would agree with OP because the intersection of being both an MRA and an animal rights activist would lead inevitably to these conclusions. ​ The issue OP has is that he's trying to use mens rights a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/20 06:16 PM
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Those sociological models constitute a theory basically.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/20 06:13 PM
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The majority fo the left isn't in favor of feminism. Polling shows feminists are a minority even among left wingers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/20 12:52 PM
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The MRM has a more codified set of theories on what it means to support men than being a mens advocate implies. ​ The MRM has an ideology, whereas an advocate need not necessarily have one and also need not care about all mens issues, they could be a mens advocate in a narrow and specific issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/20 12:50 PM
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The campaign against the statement was started because a lawyer used the term in a defence of a rapist while divorcing it from that context and pretending that's how it's used in general. It ignores that it's literally the lawyers job to make any argument they can to minimize the harm done by their client. But femnists decided to lie about it because even they have the self-awareness to realize that if they openly took issue with *a lawyer giving a defence* for being "Problematic", people would …
/r/MensRights03/05/20 12:42 AM
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They see both candidates as rapists, and think Biden is the better option.
/r/MensRights28/04/20 12:19 PM
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I think this one is very telling. Once you've internalized a group as "oppressor" you've really alleviated yourself of all responsibility in your actions to that group. < This is why feminism is a hate movement, fundamentally.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/20 08:28 PM
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Their argument is literally "If you're not gynocentric, you're not helping women.". The mere suggestion that women should consider mens feelings (By male feminists, no less) is a hostile action to women who are feminists. They want everything to revolve around them, their needs, and their perspective, and to call that equality. It's really sad those male feminists don't get a clue and realize they're uncle toms. Also, isn't their entire thing there because they claim MRAs are too angry, yet they…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/20 08:23 PM
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Just proves that the thought-terminating axiomatic rejection of misandry as a concept has been around for ages. The reason they think "History" supports their narrative and thus they don't have to listen to us, is even back in 1908, close-minded morons were throwing out these non-reasons to ignore the observations being made and not consider them legitimate. When the things that get seen as important are womens issues and mens issues are dismissed because of stupid non-reasons in 1908, that gets…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/20 01:22 AM
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It's not merely enough to pass it without the hayden rider. While I support it, be aware that it might turn into a weapon against men. If feminist judges begin to enact precedents where a feminist understanding of "equality" is normalized in law, it'll be bad. One example is the European court of justice case where they conclude life imprisonment for men only is fine. (Their reasoning was basically men aren't oppressed so it can't be an equality issue.). ​ Another example would be if they do shi…
/r/MensRights22/04/20 12:26 AM
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Is this any good?
/r/MensRights22/04/20 12:15 AM
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False accusations being used to destroy mens spaces.
/r/MensRights22/04/20 12:13 AM
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It lacks a referencing system, so it can't be uni level. If it was he would have had to reference the claims he makes and her response would have to acknowledge them.
/r/MensRights21/04/20 01:52 AM
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It's Welsh and it's notiously difficult for English speakers to learn because the letters are pronounced differently.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 03:01 PM
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The top tier language family is celtic, which they both are. Then they are both Insular celtic, as opposed to continental celtic. This is when they split, into Brythonic and the Irish tree. Brythonic and the old Irish family split off into multiple variants, of which modern Welsh and Gaelic are one. ​ (So they share a great grandparent and grandparent, have different parents, and several siblings each, the siblings often dying out, but soem surviving such as Irish/Manx/Scottish and Welsh/Cornish…
/r/MensRights11/04/20 02:54 PM
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That's when they start arguing it's somehow a burden to women to have to do it, whereas previously it was a burden to women to not do it.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 02:51 PM
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Red pill is evil misogyny, and Cosmo is a multinational publication with a profitable business model.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 09:23 PM
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I don't mind all that much with shaving his hair to teach him a lesson and presumably make him follow quarantine proceedures because he won't want anyone to see his haircut. Putting it on social media is unnecessary and abusive and actually undermines the point of doing it to him. If everyone has already seen it, what's the prevention going on?
/r/MensRights03/04/20 11:43 PM
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You having food is not more serious than me having food in absolute terms. However, if I haven't eaten in 5 days and you haven't eaten today but did yesterday, there is a contextual seriousness to the situation. Men killing themselves at higher rates and all the other stuff is similar. ​ We're not saying men having food is more important than women having food.
/r/MensRights03/04/20 11:42 PM
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Mostly unobjectionable, but... Well Akshully, you do in fact have to diet. Unless you want to starve to death. We're all on a diet of one kind or another.
/r/MensRights03/04/20 11:40 PM
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Right, but I don't think many people would claim we were a matriarchy in the past. It's also largely irrelevant to the modern day, especially as the mechanism for transitioning into one is explained.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/20 08:36 PM
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Are women less financially secure? What makes you say so. ​ As for denying women an education, that doesn't appear to be true in western societies and the reverse is more valid (Education centered around girls and their needs/preferences, boys crisis in education.). ​ Unbalanced marriages needs some elaboration. ​ As for gender roles like stay in the kitchen and take care of children, what makes work superior exactly? You're also not noting that these necessitate men going to work. A matriarchal…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/20 08:04 PM
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Could you elaborate on what you mean? It depends what you mean by easier. Also, depends what you mean by confining power for themselves and not other women, why would that be necessary, and how do you know that isn't already occuring?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/20 03:16 PM
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The books a lot of feminists use to justify their mythologized history allude to matriarchal dynamics. ​ Specifically they examine tribal cultures they consider "More equal" (Because they ignore the misandry). Engels and so on are an example. ​ Men still act as tribal chief. But it's noted that any woman of the tribe can walk up and knock his hat off his head, at which point a new leader is chosen. ​ This obviously creates a dynamic we're familiar with, where the tribal chief has to appeal to wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/20 02:22 PM
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It threatens their interests.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/20 08:03 PM
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"Sexual violence against men is treated just as seriously by the law and forcing a man to have penetrative sex, for example, (under section 4(4) of the Sexual Offences Act 2003) carries the same maximum sentence as rape – life in prison." This is a common feminist dodge to gaslight men. The minimum sentence is substantially lower, up to and including no jail time at all. The only way to achieve the maximum sentence is with aggravating factors. While it is true that a woman who kidnaps, tortures,…
/r/MensRights01/04/20 07:27 PM
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It's kind of bad you'd say you're a feminist in a modern context, and especially in a mens space.
/r/MensRights01/04/20 07:25 PM
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A neutral definition: MRA:MRA stands for Mens Rights Activist. Men's Rights Activists have either a novel, or a heterodox up to heretical view of gender dynamics in society, depending on who you ask and what their view on those topics is. Differing from mainstream feminist conceptions of sexism and what perpetuates it. They are critical of other schools of thought. They focus on mens issues, gynocentrism, and misandry, and believe feminist schools of thought are not resolving issues of sexism ad…
/r/MensRights24/03/20 10:14 PM
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They think sex drive defines men and everything they do because they are misandrists.
/r/MensRights24/03/20 09:57 PM
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This is another example however of the lack of self-awareness and double standards normalized by feminist thought and how they simply put, hate men. They're constantly celebrating women doing things that go against their gender role and emphasizing how it's important and encourages more women to do those things. They wouldn't like it if men snapped "Why are you celebrating women having a job? You're SUPPOSED to have a job, you lazy bitch!" and they'd say that was misogyny and didn't appreciate h…
/r/MensRights20/03/20 11:24 PM
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I'm also opposed to any notion of officiality ascribed to a product of the movement btw.
/r/MensRights20/03/20 04:57 PM
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Herein we find that narcissism I was talking about. You've centered your own experience as more important than other peoples. Plenty of men have terrible experiences with women too, but we don't use that as an excuse to say most women are bad people, because we aren't convinced that's an okay thing to do by a hate movement (Feminism.). ​ Similarly, WE know sexism against women exists, but that doesn't mean we're going to be submissive over it either. And THATS what triggered this thread and rant…
/r/MensRights20/03/20 04:52 PM
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Which aspect of what I said is sexist, and how. If you think noting negative trends common, though not universal, in women is sexism and critiqueing them is sexism, then frankly, you're wrong, and you're using the word to mean "Something I don't like". Criticizing women is not sexism any more than criticizing men is. > I know more men with caring friends and family and plenty of men who bitch on and on about their 'problems' whilst expecting you to bottle everything up yourself. You live in a bu…
/r/MensRights20/03/20 04:44 PM
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MGM is a spectrum of behaviors ranging from circumcision to castration. Severe MGM (Castration) is banned. Less severe MGM (Circumcision), isn;t. ​ However, all forms of FGM are banned, including the severe form you mentioned. But there are less severe forms of FGM which are also banned. Is there a reason the less severe forms of FGM should be banned while circumcision isn't? ​ Type 4 female genital mutilation includes some proceedures less harmful than circumcision. One could easily say to you;…
/r/MensRights20/03/20 04:40 PM
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On reddit? Can you show me a womens space that doesn't ban people for criticizing feminism? :)
/r/MensRights20/03/20 04:26 PM
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There are formal rights listed by LettuceBeGraretful below, but also informally, equal rights are not enforced adequately, such as the right to education. (The boys crisis in education), right to family (Divorce and custody law and court bias), etc.
/r/MensRights20/03/20 02:01 PM
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Aww! Diddums! It's afraid! ​ "It sounds like being uniquely oppressed by men is central to her identity to the point she's in denial of reality and views you as an aggressor for pointing out it's nonsense. Think about how pathetic this would be for instance; a guy saying women can't read and bursting into tears as more and more evidence that, yes, women can read, was presented to him. So then he makes out you're the bad guy and there's still no reason to let women into libraries. Not because it …
/r/MensRights20/03/20 01:39 PM
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You think mutilating children is acceptable? Gee. Maybe your OP is right and you really weren't loved as a kid and have no friends, explains a lot.
/r/MensRights20/03/20 01:38 PM
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If we couldn't cope, we'd ban you and your posts like all the womens spaces on reddit do. Because they literally can't cope with their prejudices being challenged. ​ Here we are, see? Coping. You're free to post as much as you want because you're not actually bothering us.
/r/MensRights20/03/20 01:35 PM
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> I feel like alot of the men in this group would prefer a partner who birthed your babies, never complained or nagged, gave you sex whenever you wanted, cooked your dinner, spoke softly and kindly all the time, wore pretty dresses and never raised their voice, and sat down and shut up basically. Am I right or am I right? < "If you don't like Trump, that must mean you want Hillary. I'm too narrow minded to consider that you could be saying you want a third option." I'm engaged to an air-force pi…
/r/MensRights20/03/20 01:30 PM
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What drew you here out of interest? As for ideology, it's mostly important to understand how feminists reframe mens issues to be a result of mens attitudes (Similar to "The reason people are poor is they are lazy and if they just tried harder they wouldn't be so poor" while ignoring social reasons people might be poor, like bad education funding to poor communities.). This is what a lot of their talking points boil down to. When they acknowledge male issues, it's done only in order to frame the …
/r/MensRights19/03/20 09:05 PM
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If she wants her laundry folded a particular way that can be largely fine unless you're worried about how this would get you out of the habit and make it harder for you to live alone in future.It becomes a problem when she refuses to accept responsibility for that preference of hers and blames you for it. If she doesn't do that then it's not really an issue. I'm particular about some things and would rather do them myself too. But if I'm particular about EVERYTHING to the point I can't hold down…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/20 03:48 PM
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The men are lazy argument ignores studies on maternal gatekeeping and as usual for feminist activism places the blame on their nonsense conspiracy theory by not investigating the actual causes of the problem. A man tries to watch the kids for a day, and doesn't do a job as well as a hypothetical perfect parent. The woman freaks out, tells him he's useless and doing it wrong, and takes over. Rinse repeat dozens of times and eventually the man just stops bothering. If you confront the woman on her…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/20 02:51 PM
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I'll get back to you later. You seem like a genuine and lovely person who is actually interested in learning more, you'll get on well here.
/r/MensRights19/03/20 01:45 PM
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Welcome, i'm glad you're interested in learning more. :) There's a number of ideological points that are inherently anti-male, I could go over them if you want. ​ but there's examples of feminism in practice which demonstrates it operates as a hate movement. ere you go: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233717660_Thirty_Years_of_Denying_the_Evidence_on_Gender_Symmetry_in_Partner_Violence_Implications_for_Prevention_and_Treatment (In summary, feminists have spent 30 years engaged in academ…
/r/MensRights19/03/20 10:43 AM
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You shouldn't defend a hate movement. The harm the feminist movement has done to men is well documented. Your problem is that you've believed a hate movement in claiming they aren't one. Why do you think feminism means equality? Because they told you it does? What evidence for that being true is there? Do you believe racists when they say they aren't racist too? ​ As a final question, would you wear a pointy-hooded ghost costume and go selling cookies in a black neighborhood while whining about …
/r/MensRights19/03/20 10:27 AM
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This isn't so much ironic as an intentional consequence of the feminist agenda. By framing mens problems as originating in mens attitudes, they can shut down attempts to influence society to help men and say that the limit of legitimate mens activism ends where their mind does. Meanwhile, women are never required to improve, and noting reasons they should is weaponized against men by redirecting the blame to society and demanding more power and change that benefits women, the limit of legitimate…
/r/MensRights19/03/20 10:24 AM
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Some (Not exhaustive) Additions: Under bodily autonomy there's also conscription to consider in some countries. Under mental health there's also pathologizing ordinary boys as being mentally ill because they're not the same as girls, and treating girls as the default. (See boys crisis in education and overdiagnosing of ADHD). Under family there's alimony reform to consider, as well as maternal gatekeeping and paternity leave. Under media bias you could highlight the "Had Sex" double standard whe…
/r/MensRights19/03/20 10:21 AM
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"Poor health among men often reflects social divisions and disadvantages associated not with gender but with class, ethnicity, race, sexuality and disability" This is a lie. It's claimed out of the blue without being backed up that being male doesn't impact this. ​ although MRAs have highlighted suicide as a major health issue for men, they do not support research and interventions examining the impact of gender. This is a lie. ​ MRAs have attacked women’s health in the name of men’s health, suc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/20 08:41 AM
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The research doesn't give citations for things MRAs are saying, it cites feminists telling lies about what MRAs are saying, and feminist academia is a cesspit of academic malpractice already. They use their positions to lend unwarranted authority to their claims. The OP, by virtue of being an MRA, has more foundation in his post to claim what MRAs positions are than the research, because it is poorly conducted research that deliberately misrepresents itself. If it said "These sources have claime…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/20 02:20 AM
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"White" is often chucked in front of male in order to weaken criticism of feminist policy by pretending it's aimed at white males instead of all males. Yet most of the males fucked over by the campus kangaroo courts were minority men, and suppression of the justice gap and discussion on injustice against men mostly impacts minorities, and so on. ​ It's like someone chucking "Fundamentalist" in front of their criticism of Islam right before just talking shit about Arabs. It's not sincerely aimed …
/r/MensRights18/03/20 05:53 PM
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They externalize an internal pathology.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 05:10 PM
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Worm. It's absolutely fantastic and if you read it I'd love to hear your thoughts as you go, so would the parahumans reddit (The fan community, but don't read stuff there, spoilers.). ​ It's free online due to the publishing format. (Chapter by chapter while requesting donations.). https://parahumans.wordpress.com/2011/06/11/1-1/ ​ It's got one of the best female protags ever.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 03:42 PM
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Completely disagree. It's transphobia, but it's misandry. Convincing these women to hate women less won't stop them treating trans people this way. Convincing them to hate men less, however, would help. So would convincing them transwomen are women, not because it would remove their hatred, but because it would re-target it. Misogyny isn't the issue here.
/r/MensRights15/03/20 01:12 PM
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It lost funding for directing misandry at a woman instead of the accepted target, men.
/r/MensRights15/03/20 01:10 PM
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I didn't say you were excusing it. I was clarifying your point and noting some things about the dynamic. I said that you trying was all that really needs to happen. If i'm re-iterating your point, why are you so angry about it? EDIT:I think this is a grammatical miscommunication arising from here; "If she straight up can't improve because she refuses to, that's that. You need to decide how important being an equal is to you and act accordingly, whether that means just rolling with her nonsense o…
/r/MensRights15/03/20 12:58 PM
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Karen Straughan's calm and reasoned arguments made me re-evaluate several life events and realized a lot of it applied to me.
/r/MensRights15/03/20 11:29 AM
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I think that this is on par with lying about being on the pill. Both are non-visible and internal processes to minimize risk of pregnancy. ​ If this is rape, then lying about being on the pill is rape. I'm leaning towards "Yes, this is rape", but only because of other things I think are rape which this is equivalent to. I think there's a tendency to say "How can this be rape?" and compare it to the most extreme forms of rape. I think this is equivalent to less extreme forms of rape and should be…
/r/MensRights15/03/20 11:27 AM
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The working environment will be hostile, but provided you follow typical male working patterns (Less days off, more overtime taken, etc), you'll be promoted before your peers and your career will progress faster.
/r/MensRights15/03/20 11:07 AM
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It sounds like being uniquely oppressed by men is central to her identity to the point she's in denial of reality and views you as an aggressor for pointing out it's nonsense. Think about how pathetic this would be for instance; a guy saying women can't read and bursting into tears as more and more evidence that, yes, women can read, was presented to him. So then he makes out you're the bad guy and there's still no reason to let women into libraries. Not because it makes sense, but because his b…
/r/MensRights15/03/20 11:01 AM
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If a woman can't respect men and their boundaries being brought up without becoming afraid of them, that's a sign that they're pretty much a write off. Think about this:The shit you're afraid of men doing when they point out mens issues? That's what is happening here. She's not respecting him or treating him as an equal, she's using an emotional response, emotional blackmail, and psychological violence to keep him in a subordinate position where his issues are not taken seriously. That selfish n…
/r/MensRights15/03/20 10:52 AM
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When men do most work -> This is so hard on women. When men die from viruses and women do most work. -> This is so hard on women. ​ ​ Ever get the sense that this is an internal psychological problem they are projecting onto reality and not, in fact, related to the environment they find themselves in?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/20 05:58 PM
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Women have substantially higher levels of neuroticism in 49/55 countries studied. Telling them everything is a catastrophe to them personally is what they want to hear. It's not that the media has an agenda beyond making money. It's just that to make money, you tell people what they want to hear. And since women are neurotic, they want to hear that their neuroticisism is valid and reflects reality rather than being a flaw with their psychology they need to reign in and take personal responsibili…
/r/MensRights14/03/20 05:54 PM
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They start from the conclusion and work backwards.
/r/MensRights14/03/20 05:47 PM
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It's more that if an issue effects men, they have to pre-emptively make it about women to prevent empathy being directed towards men, because if that starts happening female privilege will crumble.
/r/MensRights14/03/20 05:47 PM
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Notice what isn't present here; Acknowledgement that women taking sick days is punished less than men taking sick days. Acknowledgement of class dynamics and why men may need to work. ​ Notice what is: An assumption that men being cowardly and afraid is bad and they should be ashamed for it, despite opening with telling them it's okay to be those things. "It's okay to be afraid apparently, but i'll call you out for being afraid and expect that to shame you into changing." Random anecdote about t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/20 11:45 PM
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Pretty much this. The big 5 personality indicator shows women in 55 countries they tested have way, way higher levels of neuroticism. ​ "People who are neurotic respond worse to stressors and are more likely to interpret ordinary situations as threatening and minor frustrations as hopelessly difficult. " " emotional instability and negativity or maladjustment, in contrast to emotional stability and positivity, or good adjustment. Others yet define it as lack of self-control, poor ability to mana…
/r/MensRights13/03/20 11:26 PM
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Men who were dehumanized by a feminist society. Most black deaths are from other black people, doesn't mean society isn't racist and racism isn't the cause. ​ She even does it here. Her argument boils down to male victims being less important. Guess what, the murderers feel the same, hence why they're killing men more than women.
/r/MensRights13/03/20 11:19 PM
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They don't actually believe it. But so long as they continue to pretend they do, there's not much we can do about it. Calling them out for not actually believing the things they say and merely using them to make their own lives better at mens expense because they have a lack of empathy isn't something people are prepared to engage with, because the solution is basically direct action at that point. ​ They pretend to believe in something because it forces us into a "Discussion" rather than accept…
/r/MensRights13/03/20 11:16 PM
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Depends. If they're running around talking about how they hate men and then become an actress or accountant, whatever. If they're a teacher or some shit, then yeah, maybe they should be fired. I don't trust them with kids or to hold actual power over a man. If they actually take efforts to help men of their own accord in the mean time, no problem, that's evidence of change. But joining a hate movement and then going quiet when society turns against it, and only when you face consequences suddenl…
/r/MensRights13/03/20 11:04 PM
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I think that a users post history can be used to evaluate whether they are just trolling or fucking with us, but it shouldn't be used as evidence in itself for a ban.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/20 11:01 PM
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Any data you seek must be published to remain ethical.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/20 10:39 PM
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I'm not convinced you're going to get these men to support feminism. At best you can turn them into left wing MRAs. Also, I like contra too, one of my faves, but she's pretty shit on mens issues when you get right down to it. She acknowledges the pain as legitimate, and then does the usual feminist nonsense of blaming patriarchy and so on while not acknowledging the arguments against that. Just boring menslib stuff. ​ Her video on MRAs was groan worthy entry level stuff. ​ She's much better at s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/20 10:08 PM
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It would be celebrated.
/r/MensRights13/03/20 02:05 PM
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They want to benefit from sexism without the psychological or social consequences of admitting it.
/r/MensRights13/03/20 02:04 PM
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It's not only a social good, but it's something termed "Social infrastructure". Much like infrastructure like roads helps the economy even though it's taxed because it helps business, universal pre-k allows people to remain in work and so on. It's in effect a piece of infrastructure that helps people get to work and keeps the economy turning. Thinking of schemes like this as an abstract piece of infrastructure makes them easier to support imo. It's like, they can either be working and we tax the…
/r/MensRights09/03/20 02:44 PM
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Every day is international womens day. Not a day goes by without a flurry of articles on womens issues and pushes for more female privilege.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/20 11:33 AM
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The MRM attracted a broad range of political views for years. The issue is that eventually, the libertarians converted a large number of people because frankly, the left is more openly misandrist than the right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/20 11:13 AM
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Weak and co-dependent women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codependency
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/20 07:03 PM
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It's notable that these stories are framed around the mans virtue in terms of him being good for his willingness to endanger himself, whereas positive womens stories are framed around positive characteristics perceived to be innate like "Kindness" and "Empathy" and so on. The result of that is women get permanent credit for innate traits, while a man gets credit while performing an action. Another example of women being human beings, and men being human doings.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/20 06:49 PM
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physical violence by a partner is ever justified This one jumps out to me. In societies where there is more awareness of female on male violence, this question will be interpreted the same way as "Is violence justified" to which the answer is usually "Yes, as self-defense."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/20 06:06 PM
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Her argument is that a man being raped by a woman wouldn't be called rape so it doesnt count. However that also applies to a husband raping the wife. So she should explain why projecting 21st century values back is okay when discussing marital rape in history only if you do it one way, but not the other. Does she have evidence of women conceiving of their husbands forcing them into sex as them being raped? My suspicion is that they would not, and though traumatic, they would view it as a distinc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/20 04:26 PM
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I dont disagree.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 01:59 PM
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They cripple Labour dude. It's like Johnathan Pie said: reading the guardian will not win you an election. Because Labour takes them seriously they repeat their bullshit and alienate the vast majority of the public. Ignore them and let the guardianista crowd howl and they might win.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 01:29 PM
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I'm afraid it's in his books, though the wikipedia for him discusses it: As a speaker, Farrell was known for creating audience participation role-reversal experiences to get both sexes "to walk a mile in the other's moccasins." The most publicized were his "men's beauty contest" and "role-reversal date."[16] In the men's beauty contest, all the men are invited to experience "the beauty contest of everyday life that no woman can escape." In the "role-reversal date" every woman was encouraged to "…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/20 06:52 PM
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Warren Farrell used to conduct an experiment where women would take on the man's role in a date and interrupt them to explain when they had done something wrong and thus failed the date, but wouldn't say what it was. ​ None of them could manage to pass in a way men are expected to. They said it was an eye opening experience supposedly. This was upheld by Norah Vincent when she went undercover as a man and tried dating, and realized how ridiculous the standards are and how many ways to fail there…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/20 04:03 PM
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So you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. ​ France and the US are the only countries where all men got the right to vote *through being members of the armed forces who overthrew the regime*, thus in those countries the right to vote was tied to the draft, and women gained it WITHOUT being drafted. Thus there, feminism did not achieve equality, but female privilege, because it only advocated for WOMEN, not for EQUALITY, the result being female supremacy. Same as "group X can vote for …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/20 12:28 AM
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They're just a general feminist dude. We're used to them in general. Nothing they have said or done is out of the norm.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/20 12:17 AM
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There's human rights. There are no women's rights.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/20 12:15 AM
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Lol ok so the people who fought for women’s right to vote weren’t feminists? right, if only we had a word to specify a person who advocates for women’s rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes. oh wait we do, you fuckin halfwit, that’s literally the definition of feminism. fighting for women’s right to vote is feminism, jesus They fought for everyones right to vote... you’re not a feminist or an egalitarian, you’re a victim I'm not the one selectively ignoring arguments that don't let me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/20 12:14 AM
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Feminism didn't obtain women the right to vote. The universal suffrage movement did. Most people who campaigned for it weren't feminists. Women can work, but that's not equality. That's a lopsided advocacy that ignores men's right to be equal parents and equal homecarers. It also ignores that mens need to work was tied to their status, but this isn't the case for women. All things being equal, a man needs a job more than a woman because his status as a valid member of the species is more reliant…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 11:36 PM
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"Advocacy of womens rights on the basis of equality of the sexes"->"Advocacy of genocide on the basis of national security.". ​ You do not understand the english language. ​ One can advocate something on the basis of something else without the two being related. ​ Feminists advocate for womens rights (Like "White rights") on the basis of equality. That doesn't make the two related. They are opposed even.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 11:28 PM
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Most people who fought for women's right to vote weren't feminists either. It has always been a fringe movement. They were suffragettes from the universal suffrage movement. They did not identify as feminists, for good reason. That was an anti-male fringe.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 11:26 PM
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You're being as ignorant as pretending a confederate flag represents devolution and states rights. In the process you are ignoring mens experiences of the feminist movement and what it represents, and the injustice it has done to them. You cannot claim it means equality as a result, because you are devaluing men's experience of it in order to make that claim. It's like showing the US flag and saying "This means liberty" and waving it in front of a native american. ​ No. ​ No it doesn't dude. It …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 11:12 PM
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Have you ever debated with someone who has a series of rationalizations and excuses for why racism against black people doesn't exist? Just wondering if you're able to have some self-awareness.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 10:49 PM
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Only 20% of young women identify as feminist because 80% of women can see the difference between feminism and egalitarianism. When you're seen as more batshit extremist than the mainstream republican party is against ethnic minorities, maybe take a chill pill and realize you're the hateful fringe, not other people. The overwhelming majority of humanity is telling you that you are hateful to men. Take that on board maybe? Like, non-feminists could pass constitutional ammendments to make it offici…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 10:45 PM
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Less than 20% of young women in the UK identify as feminist. Meanwhile, 25% are anti-feminist. It is overrepresented in the media because feminism appeals to privileged white women, and they are happy to gaslight the public into thinking their views are normal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 10:43 PM
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In the UK, only 39% of Labour voters call themselves feminists. Less than 20% of young women call themselves feminists, while 25% are anti-feminist. You'd be suprised. Feminism is massively overrepresented in upper middle class white women, which is why it is overrepresented in the media. It seems to make sense to the most privileged women in a country, for some strange and unknown reason. In fact, more white men are feminists than black women. Hmm.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 10:42 PM
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The indifference may well be because it has been psychologically beaten into them that it is not their place to decide.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 10:40 PM
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Why would they listen?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 10:39 PM
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Eh whatever mate. Titles are titles and clickbait is a norm. They are defensible in terms of "It's clickbait, what do you expect.". ​ You can have a broader and more meaningful discussion about clickbait in general rather than making it specific to the MRM in my opinion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 10:22 PM
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I see exactly what you mean however the data has to be available to the public and easy to access and traverse. Otherwise the concerns others have raised become my response, feminist academics will cherry pick data and use their extreme levels of social influence and media Influence to further harm and demonize men. Idk dude. We have the data already to debunk a lot of their claims but they keep being made because feminists are louder telling lies than we are pointing out the truth, because of t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 06:36 PM
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We allowed a hate movement to take over institutions, so yes it's getting worse. Find other lonely men and befriend them.
/r/MensRights03/03/20 05:46 PM
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Wouldn't date a feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 10:53 PM
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Think intersectionally. Are white males underrepresented?
/r/MensRights02/03/20 02:26 PM
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Welcome sister. Weve discussed lesbians and victims of female perpetrators before a lot too. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/26m8oq/should_the_mra_be_tackling_femaleonfemale_rape/ Your input on these issues will be welcome here.
/r/MensRights28/02/20 08:53 AM
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Exactly this. It is not merely an open question or something they content sometimes happens, but an active "This is why women do violence, period" ideological assertion as part of the feminist theory model of domestic violence.
/r/MensRights26/02/20 12:22 PM
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Some research suggests its because other subjects fail to educate boys appropriately. Thus a huge proportion of boys think they are "best" at computing, and go into that field. The way to close the gap is to end the boys crisis in education.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/20 12:58 PM
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Note that when men take the same accomodations as women, they suffer even more severe consequences for their career. ​ A man and a woman earning 50k a year at the same company, if they both took a year off to look after their kid, would come back with the man earning 35 and the woman earning 40. This is then called "Penalizing women", because we are a gynocentrist society who have tolerated a neurotic hate movement warping our understanding of these issues. Subsequently, the focus is placed on r…
/r/MensRights23/02/20 12:28 PM
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Partially agree. Men should value men more and ignore it when feminists flip out over that and call it evil misogyny.
/r/MensRights22/02/20 11:50 AM
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What's unusual about the case is that it very much appears to be a murder resulting from unidirectional domestic violence. This is one of the least at risk populations as well as one of the least common forms of domestic violence as I just explained at length to you in the other thread. There are also headline stories about male victims murdered by partners when that happens too, but we don't up and decide that's normal for domestic violence and how it goes down. We use statistics. This story ha…
/r/MensRights22/02/20 11:49 AM
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Here is a pretty comprehensive breakdown of it; ​ First there's the deborah capaldi study I linked above, read that. Here are the highlights: ​ "Dr. Capaldi's research examined the different relationship violence scenarios -- violence by him only, violence by her only, violence by both with him initiating, and violence by both with her initiating. Of these, the most likely to result in future injury to women is when she initiates violence against him and he responds, although both mutually aggre…
/r/MensRights22/02/20 11:41 AM
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Women didn't actually get paid less during the industrial revolution for all working class jobs. They were often paid more because their hands were smaller and could deal with the machines better. It depended on the field.
/r/MensRights22/02/20 11:26 AM
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Male violence is an expression of male disposability. If you want men to take less risks like engaging in violence, value men more. There's also the issue of womens in group bias causing them to psychologically damage their sons and the lack of father figures caused by feminist activism and glorification of single motherhood. ​ https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/boys-don-t-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons-1.4693208
/r/MensRights22/02/20 11:22 AM
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Using an edge case to characterize the entire issue is bad. It's like using the Amber Heard case to push a narrative that women are always the abusers and their accusations are false. Hundreds of thousands of people experience domestic violence, deaths are not the norm by any stretch of the imagination. Of those deaths which do occur, a significant portion are due to mutual aggression. Some of those which occur are due to singular aggression. Nobody is denying such men exist, we are challenging …
/r/MensRights22/02/20 11:18 AM
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You're taking a fringe issue and acting like its the norm. It's a newsworthy individual incident for a reason. Most child murders are done by women. Most partner murders are done by men, but we've explained to you how that is a result of strength differences in mutually violent confrontations. ​ If you genuinely want less dead women its important to acknowledge that and tackle female violence and open mens shelters.
/r/MensRights22/02/20 11:13 AM
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Dude, they're running with the Duluth model here and saying womens violence is primarily self defense. Check the link up top and many other links to realized that this is not true. The article you linked does it's best to bury the issue of male victims and excuse female violence, exactly the thing you're accusing us of. You should post a thread asking for evidence we have on this issue instead of reading what evidence feminists say we have. I linked one in my top comment here, read it.
/r/MensRights22/02/20 11:03 AM
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Right, because men are physically stronger to a significant degree. You're engaged in utter blank slate idiocy I noted above. Ofcourse women end up dead more often in violent fights with men, men are stronger. That says nothing about the causes of the fight and the function of feminist outrage at women losing violent assaults they make against their partners is to call in state violence to back up violent women rather than approach the situation more rationally and in a balanced manner. If you a…
/r/MensRights22/02/20 10:26 AM
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It also ignores that this is a reflection of biological realities. In at least some of those cases, it was a mutually perpetuated violent confrontation, and men are simply bigger. ​ "Most people who provoke an illegal violent confrontation with Mike Tyson end up dead more often than Mike Tyson does, this is proof society is built to favor Mike Tyson and hate people who aren't him" is a galaxy brain take only possible with willfully trying to demonize men, or utter blank slate idiocy. ​ The bigge…
/r/MensRights21/02/20 03:24 PM
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Studies consistently show that younger males are not traditionally masculine in outlook, but they are the ones the boys crisis in education is impacting most. This is a desperate attempt to ignore institutional issues and pretend the problem is in mens heads and how they think.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/20 03:22 PM
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Yeah, i'm sure that's a coincidence.
/r/MensRights21/02/20 12:03 PM
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So you're noting that the actions of feminism don't deal with mens issues, then how is it equality? Further, because feminism is only concerned with women, that is a source of many mens issues and discrimination against them, like the duluth model. Advanced to help women, in the process, harming male victims.
/r/MensRights21/02/20 11:45 AM
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You can advocate genocide on the grounds of national security. It doesn't mean the two are related at all, and one may undermine the other in reality. ​ Notice how feminism doesn't entail equality, it merely uses it as an argument to advance womens interests without consideration for mens.
/r/MensRights21/02/20 11:43 AM
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Anti feminism /=/ Anti woman.
/r/MensRights21/02/20 11:42 AM
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Menslib was founded by againstmensrights contributors after they spent years saying men didn't face issues and misandry wasn't real dude.
/r/MensRights21/02/20 11:42 AM
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Compare this to the Eron incident where his suicide was framed as him trying to continue his abuse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/20 02:29 PM
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If there is a functional difference you have not done equality right
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/20 04:44 PM
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It ignores that most people at work space their effort out in such a way as to be finished with their assigned tasks or a good amount of them by the end of the day. Assigning the men more work would see them work harder. Assigning the women less work would see them work less hard. If you cut the amount of work offered to both by 1/3rd (Since they finish 66% of the work assigned), they wouldn't complete 100% of their work. They'd still finish around 66% of it and work less hard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/20 06:16 PM
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Avoid oppressor-oppressed dichotomous narratives. Accepts each demographic has issues related to their perception and treatment and the caricature of them society foists upon them as well as other groups expectations and entitlements. The victim complex shit arises from a refusal to accept that discrimination against a group is real or meaningful and this gives people license to attack that group to 'uplift' their own.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/20 04:17 PM
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Immune systems become weaker in both sexes as a result of long-term stress and other environmental factors btw.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/20 06:37 PM
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Earl Silverman was attempting to obtain state funding for the shelter, which was blocked by feminist groups. That's when he killed himself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/20 01:34 PM
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It's not based in rationality, none of it is. Its based in rationalization.
/r/MensRights10/02/20 10:30 PM
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Sub human.
/r/MensRights10/02/20 10:27 PM
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UK, women have formal power and representation. More than men. They have a ministry of government dedicated to them, men do not. Other examples too. -matriarchy This is a gynocentric conception of sexism. Maternal gatekeeping is the biggest predictor of a man's involvement with children. Women can choose either home or work, men can choose only work unless the wife allows him. Men are more likely to be abusee. The state also facilitates this abuse through feminist DV programmes that empower fema…
/r/MensRights10/02/20 10:26 PM
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Cultural brainwashing. Boys need to hear that it's okay to distance themselves from their mothers when they leave the home and not associate anymore. Mothers who dont spam their sons with misandry will then form the cultural basis for a healthy relationship, since other ones won't exist as much. It also means the sons can begin to heal.
/r/MensRights10/02/20 10:17 PM
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Look up Warren Farrell and NOWs opposition to equal custody.
/r/MensRights10/02/20 09:57 PM
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You're not being misunderstood. The femijiet movement is the source of a lot of injustice against men and identifying as a feminist isnt very appropriate or empathetic. Examples like the duluth model and so on. Us fighting for men and noting these things led to feminists flipping out, hence the hostility. They spent 30 years denying the evidence women were as abusive as men. Either you accept the role feminism played in injustice against men, in which case why be one, or you dknt, and that will …
/r/MensRights10/02/20 09:48 PM
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I heard the MRM arguments and they were persuasive.
/r/MensRights10/02/20 09:40 PM
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This is the thing, they know that so long as they gatekeeper power and refuse to engage in good faith there is not much people can do about it.
/r/MensRights10/02/20 03:03 PM
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The edit portion wasn't from a deep dive. It's an argument I also use. My point is that people objecting to that argument, well, you know exactly what they are even if they don't tell you, don't you. You know why someone would make that objection.
/r/PussyPassDenied08/02/20 12:17 AM
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Radicalization is a normal and unfortunate part of a civil rights groups demands going unmet for long enough that members begin to seek more extreme explanations for lack of progress. We simply have to hope that the MRM can recruit faster than turnover occurs. If we'd ignored MLK a decade or two longer, there'd be a "Radicalization" toward violence among civil rights activists too. Indeed acknowledging this fact is one reason why progress occurred; the alternative was an eventual race war. You c…
/r/MensRights08/02/20 12:02 AM
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Given that you've defended feminism from my characterization of it and post to shit like fragilewhiteredditor, I expect you'll reject this or not want to accept it, perhaps that's uncharitable, but; Normal people can recognize feminists from their conduct. I do not need to hear you explicitly tell me you are a feminist. It is evident from the silly shit you say. Just like the mere fact you object to someone calling Scientology a stupid space cult outs you as a Scientologist, hypothetically. This…
/r/PussyPassDenied07/02/20 11:31 PM
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I'm not looking for an anti-feminist argument. My search terms were bi-directional violence rates. Nothing in particular to skew the results. It happens to be that looking for facts rather than conspiracy theories about patriarchy tends to result in anti-feminism. Reality has an anti-feminist bias.
/r/PussyPassDenied07/02/20 10:44 PM
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The original point that I was making was that a statement like "odds are it was mutually abusive" is dangerous. The results you've been showing don't even support that (50%). I'm not cherry picking dude. Just taking studies as they're relevant from google searches and most recent ones. I've not found one with contrary findings. Studies consistently show that most unidirectional violence is from women and unidirectional violence from men is uncommon compared to bi-directional and unidirectional f…
/r/PussyPassDenied07/02/20 09:39 PM
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Authors usually qualify their results. Suggesting further research is both good practice, and a means of securing more funding, a happy coincidence. As for your other points: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/#r23 This one shows that around 50% of abuse situations are bidirectional. Around 50% are unidirectional. Where there is one abusive partner, that is the woman 70% of the time. This means that when a woman is abused, there is a larger chance the woman is also abusive than…
/r/PussyPassDenied07/02/20 08:50 PM
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" Approximately 47% of the respondents experienced some form of IPV in romantic relationships, and the majority of respondents reported bidirectional violence. " There's other examples too. Here's a meta study showing the same, while also showing that women-beating-men is the second most common type of abuse after both partners being violent in 4/5 sample groups. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233693659_Rates_of_Bidirectional_Versus_Unidirectional_Intimate_Partner_Violence_Across_Sampl…
/r/PussyPassDenied07/02/20 07:48 PM
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Diddums. "You know, being a flat earther and denying science in favor of your wacky theories asserted without scientific backing makes you kind of a freak." -> refuses to engage with reality because you were mean to them, rather than realizing that "I should stop being a freak" is the proper response. If the media weren't on board with gaslighting the public by doing things like pretending global warming denial is equal to climate change evidence, your creepy little movement wouldn't get the tim…
/r/PussyPassDenied07/02/20 07:45 PM
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I know your stupid theories on how abuse is about power. The duluth model is nonsense and is discredited and has no actual empirical data to back it up. It is merely asserted by feminists that's how DV works. Reality and science disagree.
/r/PussyPassDenied07/02/20 07:42 PM
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They are freaks dude. We also know that women initiate at least half of bi-directional violence situations and men are commonly retaliating, and further, that women tend to continue initiating violent confrontations in subsequent relationships, but men don't because their violence is predicted by the woman being violent towards them rather than something about the man personally. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/researcher-says-womens-in_b_222746 So i'd agree with you that bi-directional doesn't m…
/r/PussyPassDenied07/02/20 07:42 PM
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Here's a meta-study (A study summarizing studies) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233693659_Rates_of_Bidirectional_Versus_Unidirectional_Intimate_Partner_Violence_Across_Samples_Sexual_Orientations_and_RaceEthnicities_A_Comprehensive_Review Unlike what feminist freaks will tell you because they applied their idiotic patriarchy theory to the problem and assumed "Duhhh abuse is about power, and men have the power, so they must be doing most of the abuse, hyuk hyuk", most abuse is bidirect…
/r/PussyPassDenied07/02/20 07:35 PM
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47% of respondents had experienced domestic violence. Of those 47%, a majority said it was bidirectional. The 53% didn't experience DV. You've read the study wrong.
/r/PussyPassDenied07/02/20 07:31 PM
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Doesn't fit the narrative.
/r/PussyPassDenied07/02/20 07:29 PM
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It's common knowledge to people who aren't involved with the feminist cult. You sound like someone demanding a source to prove the world is round to anyone who isn't a misandrist. ​ https://www.cpc.unc.edu/projects/addhealth/publications/1557
/r/PussyPassDenied07/02/20 07:27 PM
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https://www.cpc.unc.edu/projects/addhealth/publications/1557 ​ One example. There's plenty. The overwhelming scientific consensus is that most abuse is bidirectional. ​ You've cited a site that spouts feminist ideology, not science, notably it uses the duluth model of domestic violence and claims abuse is about power and control, a discredited model of abuse that fails to adequately predict or prevent it.
/r/PussyPassDenied07/02/20 07:24 PM
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The odds are that it was mutual; most abusive relationships are according to studies. https://www.cpc.unc.edu/projects/addhealth/publications/1557
/r/PussyPassDenied07/02/20 07:23 PM
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Chris Brown didn't DARVO and try and utilize people who care about the issue to go after his victim.
/r/PussyPassDenied07/02/20 07:22 PM
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Was there ever a petition to support a man who was proved to be an abuser?
/r/MensRights07/02/20 07:21 PM
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They never talk about feminisms crimes against men nor acknowledge them because they aren't sincere, they're gaslighting people when they claim to be for equality. Just like an abuser won't acknowledge the time you caught them out moving your phone to fuck with your head and will pretend it never happened while also flipping out and pretending to be outraged when you call them an abuser. Their entire vitriolic hostility and lies about our movement is because we keep a list of the times they beha…
/r/MensRights07/02/20 07:16 PM
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Farrell did a bunch of interviews with many of them, but couldn't access the big 3. (Warren, Biden, Sanders.). The rest were willing to meet with him and discuss mens issues. This is seperate from them necessarily having those issues on the agenda though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/20 04:02 AM
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She's a spokesperson for domestic violence and they made her one, remember. Same as the other abusive women the movement has empowered historically. It's always been a lobby on behalf of abusive women, has been since the duluth model.
/r/MensRights02/02/20 01:23 AM
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Feminist policy gives feminists a bad name, and people like this merely clarify it.
/r/PussyPassDenied02/02/20 12:24 AM
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Moral frameworks are ultimately subjective, but you can use them to achieve a goal. The goal of feminists has been hating men for decades and they have used whatever moral argument they need to justify that and normalize it.
/r/MensRights30/01/20 06:51 PM
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Taking over institutions like the media and academia to gaslight the public and tell them your neurotic psychological problems are normal ways to think stops working in the ballot booth and In jurors chambers.
/r/MensRights30/01/20 06:50 PM
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This treats the left wing as though they're just being mean and shaming to men as opposed to passing actively harmful policies, much like the right wing does. ​ I'm also a left winger on economics, but the analogy doesn't hold.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/20 11:16 PM
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It's an argument that ignores how individuals interact with institutions and influence them, instead treating them as by definition unable to influence those institutions if they aren't in charge of them. Merely noting men hold positions of explicit authority does not actually tell you where power lies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/20 06:20 PM
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Because it's not about helping men, it's about hating them. Same as "Why don't you celebrate black role models instead of railing constantly about black criminals" has a really obvious answer, so does this one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/20 05:36 PM
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It does seem a little rich that the problem they have with terfs is them rejecting transness, and not that they behave the same way to 'men' as other feminists do. They don't mind the way terfs behave, they mind that they think they have the wrong target. I can see how that would be frustrating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/20 05:19 PM
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It also only applies to upper class women. They were perfectly able to leave and go get a job if they wanted; in a factory or elsewhere, like all the other women. Just not upper class jobs.
/r/MensRights23/01/20 11:27 AM
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You've inspired me to start doing some videos when I have time. In the midst of assignments atm though dude. Maybe we can colab in future
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/20 10:46 PM
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I've got an anonymous source who worked at the hotel, saying that at the CNN shareholder conventions, they had Epstein supply underage prostitutes to the shareholders.
/r/MensRights14/01/20 04:00 PM
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He was on board with a white house council for men and boys and met with Farrell... so... idk
/r/MensRights14/01/20 03:59 PM
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Yes, I believe equality between men and women is a desirable and achievable goal.
/r/MensRights14/01/20 03:56 PM
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About 50% are Libertarians, about 40% are liberals and social democrats. The left is quiet, but they're there. The problem is defending left wing parties when they are openly feminist is difficult.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 09:19 PM
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I tried, at least. Oh well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 09:18 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-suffragism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 01:23 PM
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People don't usually try that with me because i'm a market socialist and it would be patently absurd.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 01:04 PM
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What elaboration do you require brother?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/20 04:10 PM
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As others noted the study shows that the women earned more as private citizens. I'd argue that actually reduces their competence in their new role of representing the public's views. Furthermore it's a good example of how feminist policies are often regressive in practice, In this case a reduction in working class representation and forcing upper middle class people to replace them is spun as progress because its women, even if the majority of women would be better represented by more working cl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/20 09:35 AM
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Example 1: https://amp.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/3fo278/i_want_to_let_you_all_know_about_a_sub_i_just/ Example 2: https://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/cu21yj/this_has_to_be_one_of_the_stupidest_mensrights/exqerel?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x Example 3: https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/3kow5w/recovering_alcoholic_ubigangrydinosaur/ Example of the tone the sub took at time of founding: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/3gp4xj/putting_misandry_in_co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 08:40 AM
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Why does acknowledging the historical injustices feminism has done trigger feminists so much when they're the same people running around with "patriarchy" theory and whining about history all the time? Imagine if I point out; "Here's an example of how Jim Crow still effects black people to this day, and is an example of how white supremacy really fucked them over" you reply with; "Stop pointing out mean things white people have done, let's just focus on solutions.". It's especially ridiculous be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 07:50 AM
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Not even all MR movements, all mens movements in general.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 07:40 AM
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Hey thanks for the award dude :) Yeah I think more debates might be necessary. Perhaps a reddit akin to Femradebates for MRAs V Libs?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 05:47 AM
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Down the line supportive of trans inclusion and rights until you hit the sports issue where I genuinely don't know what a solution would be and suspect there isn't one which would be satisfactory. The reason for segregating womens sports is obvious in many cases, and that segregation is not based on the gender of the participants, but their sex. It's called women and mens leagues because of the conflation of gender and sex which trans activists are opposed to, but the reasoning for the segregati…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 05:41 AM
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They have to keep up the "Intimidated" line of argument because otherwise they'd be too obviously inconsistent in how they describe white women behaving the same way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 03:07 AM
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The level of rape is equal between the sexes, while men suffer PTSD 20% more of the time in the aftermath due to a lack of victim services and so on. So that's your 1/4 nonsense out of the way. As for you whining about history, you're buying into an anti-male framework. In most countries, men couldn't vote either. The average length of time between all men getting the vote and all women getitng the vote is 10 years. The places this isn't true are the US and France, which achieved universal male …
/r/MensRights07/01/20 09:49 AM
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There's a few; https://time.com/3581587/mothers-emotion-words-girls-boys-surrey-studymothers-encourage-emotions-more-in-daughters-over-sons-study-says/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/20 08:27 PM
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One example: https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/boys-don-t-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons-1.4693208 "The study, published in the Canadian Journal of Behavioral Science, found that moms tend to favour girls expressing emotions of sadness and anger over boys. Fathers, on the other hand, lacked a bias towards emotions of anger and sadness in their children."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/20 08:16 PM
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They're overrepresented in the media and the things you see in the media and social media are artificial representations of reality designed to give the impression these views are normal, and that disagreeing makes you a subhuman. There is a silent majority opposed to feminism that stays silent out of fear and belief they are a minority.
/r/MensRights05/01/20 08:04 PM
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Not just this way, but also because of the same toxic feminist conspiracy theory attitudes directed at their sons; they're paranoid over their sons their emotional expression and so on out of terror they'll become misogynists and so the sons never learn to regulate emotions like anger and so on, just suppress them. See the studies on how this behavior is primarily done by mothers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/20 08:00 PM
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They want to hate men, so they look at the current situation, apply whatever normative evaluation they need to in order to say it's a bad situation, then blame men for it.
/r/MensRights05/01/20 07:52 PM
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As a description of a particularly common form of femininity that's accurate, but it doesn't describe all women.
/r/MensRights05/01/20 07:49 PM
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They're taught to defend female privilege and male disposability.
/r/MensRights04/01/20 10:10 PM
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Can you summarize its main thesis for us?
/r/MensRights04/01/20 10:06 PM
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They haven't changed it because feminists use their ideology to frame all sexism issues as secretly womens issues, and naturally this one doesn't rank important to them. Sort of like if we decided all sexism issues are mens issues then prioritized things so only the ones that actually negatively impact males directly instead of through some abstracted nonsensical ideological process got solved. Feminists will naturally prioritize issues that are actually womens issues. They may say they'll get a…
/r/MensRights04/01/20 09:58 PM
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Good observation, it's gynocentrism as usual.
/r/MensRights04/01/20 12:00 AM
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Being critical of feminism is an important lens to fixing mens issues because you re-examine feminist action with a critical and skeptical mind and it reveals instances like this which otherwise might go unnoticed. It's an invaluable tool of diagnosis. But I agree it's important to not conflate diagnosis with action. ​ There's also significant problems with the notion that you can honestly claim to be supportive of men while calling yourself a feminist, and a case can be made that it is inherent…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/20 11:41 PM
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That's the point... the theories are the problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/20 11:37 PM
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You'll often hear that it's neutral in the text, but this is only after an amendment to make that the case, and crucially the funding allocated under the version of the bill that excluded male victims was not re-allocated under the neutral version. So it's like "The Education of White People" act outlining white peoples rights to education and so on and setting aside 1 billion a year for those purposes in terms of setting up white-only schools. Then people get angry, so you include "Okay, everyo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/20 04:35 PM
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How it "Appears" to you subjectively is irrelevant; the MRM demographic survey shows there was a split between left-liberals and libertarians at around 40% each, with neither breaching 50% thanks to the third group, socialists, taking up around 8%. Then there was self-identified conservatives, then communists, then anarchists, and finally, fascists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/20 07:50 AM
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I'm an atheist, but I have a number of stories I hold in high regard and place spiritual significance on, even if I don't believe in a spirit. I wouldn't say they've helped except in terms of forming my overall values, freedom, empowerment, humanism, and so on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/20 07:47 AM
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Boys will be boys has only been used to describe the zoomies and being messy and sometimes naughty in my experience. The feminist shitfit over it arose because a defense lawyer used the term to try and downplay a rape their client did and they've had it stuck in their brains that it's a form of rape apology ever since, despite the fact that this defense didn't work because the only people who don't understand the difference are feminists (At least some of them do but repeat the narrative malicio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/20 07:46 AM
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The men currently alive would not be suffering these issues if not for feminists blocking the mens rights movement from fixing them for about two generations now. You may as well be saying we're being silly for complaining about a foreign nation occupying ours militarily because if they weren't here occupying us it might be someone else and history was no better and was merely a long string of occupations. They're the reason these issues *currently* exist and haven't been resolved, and it's ridi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/20 07:23 AM
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> Discuss what the systemic root causes of men's issues are that predate feminism. Because other people benefit from them being in place, or believe they do, at least subconsciously, whether other men or women. Feminism is merely another incarnation of that; it benefits feminists to cast gender issues in a way that has harmed men for womens benefit, and it benefits feminists to demonize men and have an outgroup so they can rally political power and resources to themselves. Other than that you've…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/20 07:21 AM
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Subbed in any case seeing as you're regularly posting content.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/20 06:49 AM
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If i'm not talking about you and instead talking about some other different thing called feminism, then why did you join this conversation? You apparently understand i'm not talking about your feminism but felt the need to come here anyway. And I note your effort is spent on me, a man and thus the victim of these misandrists, not them. Every second you spend telling me this is time you should be spending telling them. I'm not going to stop calling the bad stuff feminism because that's what it's …
/r/MensRights03/01/20 06:24 AM
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Adultery is a form of abuse listed in domestic violence manuals because it necessarily involves gaslighting your partner.
/r/MensRights02/01/20 02:24 PM
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During the Victorian era and the womens religious revival (A period of high religiosity among women that men did not join in on, with records showing husbands often opposed their wives sudden high piety lifestyles and demanding they choose between submission to god, or their husbands) there was a theological assertion made by women that the previous notion that women were lustful adulterers while men were stoic philosophers less beholden to emotional impulses was a lie and that in truth men were…
/r/MensRights01/01/20 12:29 AM
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Toxic femininity is the pathological inability to abandon feminist ideology, even when feminist framing of an issue prevents women getting what they want. For example; Domestic violence (The strongest predictor of a woman being injured by domestic violence is her being a perpetrator of it. Male "Abusers" tend to stop being abusers when they get a new a relationship, but women continue to be "Victims" throughout their lives, because they're the ones initiating the violence.). Another example; the…
/r/MensRights30/12/19 11:29 PM
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Most violence in the black community is other black people. So I guess it's not racism causing that, right?
/r/MensRights30/12/19 11:25 PM
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Has she confessed she made it up and doesn't want to see the video? I could see a case for not making her watch it then, it would seem pointless and humiliating. ​ Is she still claiming they raped her? Then it's necessary.
/r/MensRights30/12/19 10:13 PM
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self-awareness is a terrible thing for feminists to be threatened with.
/r/MensRights30/12/19 02:26 PM
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It's a means for feminists to ignore the ways their movement has harmed men with its theories and to say all problems society faces are due to men having too much power, and women not enough respect, despite men having too little power, and women too much respect. ​ As an example, celebrating women some more is not going to resolve many issues, but will worsen them and keep them in place. Yet it is the only solution an anti-patriarchy approach can suggest.
/r/MensRights30/12/19 03:21 AM
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"Boys should be beaten" was a study done on female educators in third world nations. They also harbor a view that boys are born broken and need to be fixed, that masculinity is inherently violent, dangerous, and flawed, and needs to be "fixed", in their case by beating the boys. The west has simply moved from physical abuse to mental abuse and gaslighting rather than teaching women to not be misandrists.
/r/MensRights30/12/19 03:15 AM
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Because having a slave pick my cotton implies i'm lazy and unable to do it, so it's all about how people hate me. (It's mental gymnastics to recast all issues as womens issues, thereby delegitimizing a mens movement and allowing you to say they support male supremacy and shut them down. It also means that the priority of issues is decided by women, who will naturally focus on fixing shit that actually negatively impacts them rather than fixing shit they spent time rationalizing is secretly someh…
/r/MensRights30/12/19 12:38 AM
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It's an example of generations long gaslighting of men by feminists. I made a thread a while back on mens rights in reference to a menslib thread where the posters were admitting spending time in feminist spaces basically makes them mentally ill and racked with self-confidence issues and shame, it dabbled into them admitting they were basically nice guys for ages as a consequence too. That is not a result that can arise from an empathetic and sincere engagement with men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/19 12:06 AM
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It's a good way to influence culture.
/r/MensRights29/12/19 11:54 PM
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Women have only positive agency. Men have only negative agency. You don't catch them celebrating patriarchy every time a woman scientist makes a breakthrough or something.
/r/MensRights29/12/19 11:50 PM
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Good bot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/19 10:34 AM
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There's women who do this to men too. The differing factor is that women ask men out less. Furthermore, all men are pressured into initiating while not all women are. The socially inept and/or creepy women can afford to wait for a man to approach them and don't become the "I stalked you because I don't know social boundaries/Because i'm a psycho" but instead "I threatened to kill myself/hit you because you tried to leave me after I snapped you up". Whereas inept/creepy men can't do that and are …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/19 10:29 AM
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The modern economy is based around care traits and emotional literacy, this also applies to education. In this sense we live in a modern matriarchy not only because feminine traits are valued, but because they are gatekept by women, chiefly mothers. Through punishing boys for displaying these traits, they are locked out of the modern economy and education system and given negative traits. This is equivalent to historical conditions women were subjected to along these lines, where men gatekept tr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/19 03:14 PM
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Notice how there isn't actually a way to argue against this without creating arguments that work for feminism in general. Because the things she's saying, including in other contexts people think "Make sense" while rejecting this one as stupid, aren't legitimate arguments; they're expressions of a pathology. "That's fucking stupid and you sound ill" is the only appropriate response to feminist arguments, in all situations. There's no way to actually point out the differences between this and ano…
/r/MensRights27/12/19 01:11 AM
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Other than the obvious anti-male implications here, it doesn't actually cut down on trafficking as much as you'd suspect. Testimony from customers of prostitutes in nordic model countries have testified that when they suspect pimping, trafficking, and so on, is involved, it leaves them unable to report the incident. ​ Moreover it necessitates prostitutes conducting their business in private and without records and so on, which places them at risk. Finally, it mirrors the UK problem for prostitut…
/r/MensRights24/12/19 02:10 PM
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There's a binary in play in a lot of analysis of persons due to a lack of distinguishing between someone "Doing a sexism" and "Being a sexist", as well as a lack of differentiating between degrees of sexism. It's certainly troubling that Yang has said these things and appears to be trying to attract support on that basis. I think you can validly make the claim his campaign has become a sexist one as a consequence where it really wasn't one before. However, his campaign is still one of the least …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/19 11:03 AM
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Women aren't socialized into being sociable and so on, that's the usual nonsense feminist lens that assumes the world revolves around women and them being oppressed. The studies show the opposite; that boys are socialized *out of* these behaviors. ​ Parents enforce gender roles on boys while largely leaving girls be. https://www.psypost.org/2019/04/parents-more-uncomfortable-with-gender-nonconforming-behaviors-in-boys-study-finds-53540 This is especially true in terms of socialization and emotio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 09:23 PM
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There's a myriad of complex factors that go into this including how parents treat boys and girls differently.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 02:28 PM
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Feminism is more of a movement to frame interactions between men and women in a certain lens than anything sensical, in this case the positive attention given to a man falls outside that lens. You're supposed to view women as put upon and oppressed, "Strong and independent", or superior, and men as either active detriments, passive collaborators, or inferior. ​ The talking point is not based in anything rational or sensical, it's a rationalization made to return to that framing dynamic. The rule…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/19 02:24 PM
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Addressing both this and OP; It's worth noting that women have far greater ability to choose work-life balance than men, who are pressured into devoting themselves to work. This means that the pool of candidates for bosses is different; ​ Men who put the hours in to rise up the ladder didn't necessarily do so by the free-est of choices and are not at their core personality workaholic types. Women, conversely, have to actively choose to rise up the corporate ladder and eschew work life balance in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 05:00 PM
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Who? Whatever dude. I'm an MRA. It raised an important issue but botched the discussion and implementation. While the justice system is overall racist, police gun violence specifically as an aspect of it isn't really when you examine stats, you're about as likely to be shot by a cop no matter your race if you're doing a crime. Militarization of the police bad. I'm not a fan because they tend to be far-left Marxist types. You can oppose fascism without being anti-fa. I'm pretty sure the media is …
/r/MensRights20/12/19 05:58 PM
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It ignores that men are only going to seek custody if they have a solid case and lawyers will advise them they won't get it unless they have one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 05:45 PM
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They talk about the need for reform while still using the narrative derived from stats that erase made to penetrate in order to pretend rape is a womens issue instead of a gender neutral issue, and criticize the MRM for trying to make it a gender neutral issue instead of recognizing it as a womens one. In a way that's worse because it gives the impression that their statement that women are the overwhelming majority of victims and men the overwhelming majority of perpetrators is true *even after…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 05:21 PM
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They're operating in bad faith and are not good people.
/r/MensRights19/12/19 08:47 PM
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In the same thread where they say that we mock and belittle male rape victims and feminists care, a highly upvoted comment peddles the notion that women are the primary victims and men are the primary perpetrators and that the MRM is lying when we say rape rates approach parity. (I.E, they're relying on a conception of rape statistics that excludes made-to-penetrate.). ​ So they're belittling the issue and upvoting that lie saying we're overblowing the issue, while also upvoting the notion that …
/r/MensRights19/12/19 08:45 PM
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Two big lies heavily upvoted there; ​ The MRM mocks and stigmatizes male rape victims, no source provided MRAs try and make men "The real victims" and ignore that women are more likely to be raped while men are more likely to be perpetrators. (Peddling the statistics that erase male victims and made-to-penetrate cases.). ​ The presence of the outright lie about people who care about mens rights in the first instance, and the statistical manipulation to downplay a mens issue and erase male victim…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 08:29 PM
3

Both of the Vindications are worth reading.
/r/MensRights19/12/19 05:52 PM
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Good luck. Do you think you could collaborate with some translations of major french issues if they arise there but not here? The English reddit is for global mens issues after all and I'd hate for us to miss out on awareness of french examples.
/r/MensRights17/12/19 09:27 PM
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I've read quite a few. The usual problems we all know well arise. Some decent and enlightening testimony of womens experiences inevitably getting ruined with their crackpot theories. Reads like something akin to a bunch of diaries from Weimar Germany and the situation people go through and their humanityn and so on, before veering off into antisemitic conspiracy theories. Some potent and eloquent and even beautiful prose in the earlier writings for the desirability of equality in and of itself a…
/r/MensRights17/12/19 02:40 PM
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Because feminism is one of the major sources of misandry in modern society and is the main obstacle to institutions opposing gynocentrism. Just like opposing white supremacy doesn't make you against white people.
/r/MensRights14/12/19 10:02 AM
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I bet you if you pointed out that how we define gender equality has been built around womens opinions with men not being allowed a say, and so maybe should shut the fuck up and let men define it for a while, they wouldn't like that very much. They don't even want us in the conversation (see reaction to the MRM.).
/r/MensRights13/12/19 11:19 PM
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The reasoning behind the insistence is that it allows them to place focus on mens minds as the source of a range of issues rather than institutional barriers and oppression, the recognition of which is anathema to feminist theory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/19 02:36 PM
2

Around 20% of them are women (but when you get into the leaders of the movement and the activists you start approaching around 50%.) None are incels, because the ideologies are not compatible. 60% are in relationships, in line with population norms. (See the MRA demographic survey as opposed to the paranoid ravings and stereotypes anti-MRAs have about us.). You sound like you're a brainwashed lunatic mate, if you honestly don't understand the difference between Incels and MRAs, that's either laz…
/r/MensRights04/12/19 03:05 AM
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It's interesting you assume it's a man, because obviously a woman couldn't have written this as satire, right? It must be the evil menz trying to undermine feminism. Couldn't be a woman anti-feminist. Right?
/r/MensRights04/12/19 02:45 AM
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If you don't pay that maintenance, what happens? They get sick or die, earlier than men. Well, men get sick and die earlier than women, so maybe they need more money spent on them now.
/r/MensRights30/11/19 08:05 PM
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By claiming these traits stem from patriarchy you are ruling out that another power structure can benefit from these traits and for seperate rationales and reasons, which is a common feminist misdirect. (An example being the duluth model. Male victims of DV are weak baby men who need to beat their women better /=/ Male victims of DV don't exist because violence is patriarchal. Both result in a similar outcome, but they are sourced from different places and for the benefit of different groups, di…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/19 05:00 PM
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Pretty much. Even if men change their behavior it will not fix the problem because if you have a bias against people you will simply rationalize a new excuse to dislike them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/19 12:53 PM
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It's silly to pretend that women don't also have norms that they have constructed to benefit women as a group at the expense of men. Acting like all sexism based on maintaining power relations stems from patriarchy is like pretending all government stems from the USA. ​ Feminism is one such example of a power structure women have created and maintain, often at the expense of men and for sexist reasons. It is not necessary that a woman support patriarchy to support sexism and to teach men toxic m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/19 11:13 AM
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This is one reason why the feminist notion that mens issues should be discussed only in terms of how men are "Perceived" and their "Role" are dysfunctional, as it's quite clear that this perception is something that is far more prevalent among women than men. The issue is misandry and the thought patterns that lead to it. Making out something akin to "Well men can change their haircut and people will see them different" is wrong because it ignores that it's not something about the men that leads…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/19 11:07 AM
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No, but there is a double-sided problem in play. Men from ethnic minorities often roll their mens issues into their racial equality movements, and white men in the MRM often run afoul of the same issues white feminists do. Both of these reduce recruitment. In the case of ethnic minorities rolling their issues into race issues it also makes them insoluble because the causes aren't properly identified.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/19 03:10 AM
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Notice that their focus is on the men. Not on chastising and going after people who make men feel the need to hide their emotions. As a metaphor it's like for a womans issue where someone is punching them every time they try and speak, the feminist will say "Let's lynch the person punching the woman.". When it's someone punching the man when they try and speak, the feminist defaults to; "Don't be afraid, you should speak up. See, we care about men too.". This is because they are ideologically ve…
/r/MensRights20/11/19 02:40 AM
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This. Notice that their focus is on the men. Not on chastising and going after people who make men feel the need to hide their emotions. As a metaphor it's like for a womans issue where someone is punching them every time they try and speak, the feminist will say "Let's lynch the person punching the woman.". When it's someone punching the man, they default to; "Don't be afraid, you should speak up. See, we care about men too.". This is because they are ideologically vehemently opposed to *actual…
/r/MensRights20/11/19 02:34 AM
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It's a way for feminists to keep pretending mens problems are due to the ways men think and behave and nothing to do with institutional or legal disadvantage and second class status.
/r/MensRights20/11/19 02:32 AM
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https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=women+military+industrial+cnn&view=detail&mid=D5AD5FD03D71CE49C068D5AD5FD03D71CE49C068&FORM=VIRE
/r/MensRights09/11/19 07:27 PM
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4/5 of the biggest arms manufacturers in the world are run by Women CEOs. ​ ...So.....
/r/MensRights09/11/19 12:18 PM
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This is also being pushed by them and the media for some reason as maternity leave, probably because the media can jack itself off over womens issues and will give the policy way more air time if you pitch it that way. But it's actually shared parental leave in terms of the policy being proposed.
/r/MensRights08/11/19 03:56 PM
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Wanting equality and being too self-absorbed to properly fight mens issues so men can do things like childcare and so on. "It's all secretly misogyny.".
/r/MensRights03/11/19 11:48 AM
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You're missing the point here. Man accused - Feminist journalists go on the warpath to demonize all men, pumping out ideological screeds and so on. ​ Woman accused - Feminist journalists might, at the very most, comment that the accusation happened and report facts. ​ Feminist woman accused - Out come the defenses and the excuses and the downplaying. ​ Also please note; explicit confirmation that the feminist worldview and conception of history leads them to downplay sexual impropriety.
/r/MensRights26/10/19 02:17 PM
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MRA's getting beaten up and physically assaulted - Meh People pointing out feminists are telling lies - HARASSMENT.
/r/MensRights26/10/19 02:14 PM
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Right, and women have political institutional power via the second largest lobbying complex in the world. Men, however, do not have such power to enact their interests. They also have a near monopoly on influence on the topic of gender due to feminism and its relentless curation of the overton window.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/10/19 09:46 PM
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There are no billionaires in the legislature you realize, but you'd have to really stretch to argue that this means they don't have power and only have "Influence". They control society through lobbying, and as the post notes, women have the second largest lobbying complex in the world devoted to their interests. This is the key part: Men do not have such a lobby. The interests lobbied for are stuff like war, oil, and so on. In the same way as we are oppressed by oligarchs abusing campaign finan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/10/19 09:17 PM
2

I am a market socialist. I'm distrustful of unaccountable hierarchy and large organizations, whether that's the state or corporations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/10/19 09:05 PM
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I disagree. I think the media ignores these kinds of things Lady_Coraline2 pointed out to push a certain ideology. The feminism we see pushed on society is more of a capitalist cabal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/10/19 09:04 PM
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You can utilize it for our benefit since it only works on young men with low self-esteem, who are not going to have the financial or influential means to be of much consequence due to those things taking a lifetime to accumulate. As they begin to grow more confident and less susceptible to these attacks, they'll also be gaining finances and influence. At some point many will reach a tipping point where you can point out to them how fucked up it is that they were treated that way and how they hav…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/10/19 07:03 PM
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Your noble intentions mean nothing when this inevitable outcome was pointed out from the start by critics and they were demonized. This isn't an unforseen complication, you had forewarning and as such are culpable for it. You don't get to distance yourself from it now and absolve yourselves.
/r/MensRights25/10/19 01:14 PM
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We want to develop our discourse and elaborate on our positions. Having more common ground means we can develop those positions more thoroughly. If we want to have a discussion on what the best tax and spend policy for MRAs is, it helps to have that debate center around the specifics rather than the general philosophical point of whether the government is an appropriate tool for social change. I and others still intend to work with other MRAs, it's more about elaborating on our positions and dis…
/r/MensRights19/10/19 06:32 PM
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Never pay the bill. Either split the bill or alternate obligations. (So she gets drinks if you get food) and so on.
/r/MensRights19/10/19 06:29 PM
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I think they are, but they're struggling with rationalizing how to both be a positive force for both women and men's rights and keep feminist ideology around. We're witnessing the kind of rationalizing and denial the left used to get over the Soviets and so on. We're more like the left opposition slowly pointing out how it's a fucking mess and we shouldn't be associated with it. The key is to force the point where they admit that feminism has to go by keeping up the pressure and keep highlightin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/19 05:20 PM
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As an argument it only really justifies defered pay. I.E, you get the money on graduation or dropping out and it is held for you until then. It's also a judgement call on whether going even that far is justified.
/r/MensRights19/10/19 12:07 PM
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As noted elsewhere, men face more harassment than women online so the article already contains falsehoods designed to keep a persecution complex feminists have going, casting its overall framing of this issue into doubt. Twitter is overwhelmingly white middle class women. Maybe people are interested in different points of view and aren't interested in seeing the same things they see every day already. Since it's overwhelmingly white middle class women, maybe we should ask why white middle class …
/r/MensRights19/10/19 10:23 AM
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Most women don't have the same illness feminists do, shocking /s.
/r/MensRights16/10/19 09:33 AM
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Give an in-group bias test, it's the only way to be sure.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen08/10/19 06:01 PM
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R.i.p Elizabeth.
/r/MensRights05/10/19 07:27 PM
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People are desperate for excuses not to take this stuff seriously and blame us for their lack of conscience. Don't care about them.
/r/MensRights03/10/19 02:18 PM
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You're ignoring that in this scenario women get the best of both. While you correctly identified why both are bad for men, women get everything their way.
/r/MensRights03/10/19 11:54 AM
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It's not appropriate to through out incel as a term of abuse toward people you disagree with or who are criticizing women's treatment of men. It's appropriate to note when they actually espouse elements of incel ideology.
/r/MensRights03/10/19 11:46 AM
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They don't believe it. They say what they need to go justify hostility and gaslight people.
/r/MensRights03/10/19 10:30 AM
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Calling yourself a feminist is disrespectful to men.
/r/MensRights02/10/19 07:55 AM
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Activism needs to produce a situation where misandry is more costly than equality, nothing else will work.
/r/MensRights02/10/19 07:00 AM
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http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2%3A391109&dswid=-7675 It's in a Journal.
/r/MensRights02/10/19 12:36 AM
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http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2%3A391109&dswid=-7675
/r/MensRights02/10/19 12:36 AM
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Diversify where you are looking maybe.
/r/MensRights01/10/19 09:55 PM
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Tit for tat ensures they'll stop behaving the way they have been. It's clear that the moral highground won't work because they lack the self-awareness to realize they are the bad guys.
/r/PussyPassDenied01/10/19 09:50 PM
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Most women are not feminists, only around 1/4th are.
/r/MensRights01/10/19 09:48 PM
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You forgot that this only applies to womens issues where they lag behind and is not and must not be applied to men.
/r/MensRights01/10/19 09:43 PM
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Straight up there's a study that shows men don't enforce these norms if it's just men around. Women enforce them all the time no matter who they are with. Men only bother to enforce the norms sometimes if there's a woman around. ​ I think that suggests that men are only pretending to care because otherwise women will try and make them care. That study also reveals how utterly pointless womens spaces are, but suggests mens spaces have utility.
/r/MensRights01/10/19 09:41 PM
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Only two of these are reasonable, and one is phrased poorly to imply only mens shitty behavior should be called out instead of peoples shitty behavior.
/r/MensRights28/09/19 07:58 PM
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It's begging the question and telling you your opinions are wrong and hateful because they are wrong and hateful and the only reason you don't agree is you have wrong and hateful opinions. It's a means of gaslighting you and ignoring what you have to say. They may as well say "Heresy" for all it contributes.
/r/MensRights17/09/19 08:35 PM
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Depression manifests differently in men and women. In boys it can manifest with aggressive behavior.
/r/MensRights17/09/19 11:09 AM
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Congratulations OP! Great work.
/r/MensRights16/09/19 11:40 PM
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Women are angry in an epidemic because a hate movement has driven them into a frenzy with constant propaganda. It's nothing to do with men.
/r/MensRights16/09/19 10:55 PM
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You can't reason with people who are ill and refuse to consider that might be the case, and we already decided putting them in asylums is something we're not prepared to do back in the 1900s
/r/MensRights16/09/19 10:48 PM
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Just start writing articles about how feminist journalists and politicians have done terrible things but refuse to name your sources.
/r/MensRights16/09/19 10:47 PM
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Externalizing an internal pathology. Women have a large in group bias and their identity and femininity is all kinds of broken. But they can't self-reflect on that due to feminism, so they just lash out at men and blame them as the source of their discontent, even in mutually exclusive circumstances, that response being borne from the same thing that makes them discontent in the first place. ​ They have an inflated ego and narcissistic sense that they aren't given "Enough respect" (Reminder, the…
/r/MensRights16/09/19 10:31 PM
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"Not all men" was treated as a joke and has actively been turned into an excuse to attack the person pointing that out. Real equality is responding in kind. The "We go low, you go high" thing feminists demand is how they get away with everything. Respond tit for tat. If women can't handle that shit, they need to get on board with us stopping feminists firing the first shots that we fire back on,.
/r/MensRights16/09/19 10:25 PM
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That's not why everyone thinks mens rights is a joke mate. It's because they hate men. ​ Stuff like this just gives them a tool to gaslight us with.
/r/MensRights16/09/19 10:23 PM
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Fragile femininity.
/r/MensRights16/09/19 10:13 PM
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They spend more time arguing and attack us than they do the feminists they supposedly disavow.
/r/MensRights16/09/19 04:41 PM
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75% of deaths, 100% of shelters. H m m .
/r/MensRights15/09/19 12:09 AM
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Please note as well that there is selection bias in play even if you accept feminist claims about frequency (Despite them being lies.). The type of accusations to get the most attention are going to be ones *designed to get attention.*. Most rapes are, for lack of a better word, "Mundane", and extreme and graphic focus on lurid details is not the kind of thing rape victims will tend to (some exceptions) pepper throughout their retelling of events. ​ Even if it is the case that only 1/100 accusat…
/r/MensRights15/09/19 12:03 AM
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I am a market socialist. I wouldn't say they relate but it stems from similar values. I distrust government control over the economy as much as corporate control, as I view the government as merely corporate control by proxy or extremely vulnerable to it. I think corporations view men as disposable lives and workhorses for the economy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/19 03:08 PM
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Nice to see you here dude. Glad you're a lefty
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/19 03:05 PM
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I don't think public bathrooms should be segregated anyway, and supporting the anti-trans narrative there is an attack on men by framing them as something to be feared to the extent segregation is acceptable. And yeah, i'm fine with public healthcare covering the procedure. The rest, idk man, seems pretty hyperbolic. You sure that's happening?
/r/MensRights05/09/19 03:35 PM
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My primary response is that I legit don't give a shit what somebody does to their own body and it doesn't matter to me if someone wants me to view them as a woman. It simply doesn't get over the "Meh, liberalism. You do you." first hurdle before we even get into the science of it, which i'm inclined to think has some basis because of brain differences. I sympathize with people who cba to work around the whole pronoun thing though. I personally find it simple but others might not, and the overrea…
/r/MensRights05/09/19 02:38 PM
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" We all know how it is played: two people in suits greet each other, man leans across to unsuspecting woman " If you all know this is how greeting is done in your country then it's not unsuspect is it. Pretending this is some kind of predatory ambush by using this language is starting from your goal (you want to harm and vilify men), and working backwards, even if you have to lie to get it done. " She thrusts out her hand to intercept the grab, offering a handshake instead. He is having none of…
/r/MensRights05/09/19 01:45 PM
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This is one of the ways that the hyperbolic exaggerations feminism does in accusing men of wrongdoing while erasing evidence of harm women have done facilitates women treating men even worse. They rationalize that if men have done all this terrible shit then the woman is still "The Good Guy" if she does half as much back, but they fail to understand that they're basing their calculus on propaganda and lies. Also, By cognitively filing it under "Justified action", it doesn't help balance the scal…
/r/MensRights05/09/19 01:32 PM
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It's not shame. It's simple political calculation. They know that it's a vote winner to be anti-male, same reason plenty of men do performative anti-male stuff in order to appeal to women. It'll only stop when men form a counter-weight to it and vote against this behavior.
/r/MensRights05/09/19 01:30 PM
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I'm a British nationalist and patriot, but i'm also mercenary for the MRM. On that basis alone i'd vote for them. Notice however the disparity here. ​ She isn't arguing we should reserve these spaces for men, like feminists do for womens shelters. In fact, other than saying it's for men, nothing about this benefits them more than women except the disparity in need for it. This is how it should ideally be done, but notice feminists don't do that. They don't do stuff like say "DV impacts women, so…
/r/MensRights05/09/19 12:48 PM
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Well, so do I. So do plenty of MRAs. It's a split issue.
/r/MensRights05/09/19 10:42 AM
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These are the girls that grow up to be feminists. It's largely the same psychology, they just graduate to psychological and social violence and enforcing double standards. They demand empowerment, liberation, an end to sexism that effects them and so on, but act like you're an aggressor if you dare demand the same, because they've learned in situations like this that it works for them. The end result is they obtain a privileged position over men and the pleasure of bullying them when they can do…
/r/MensRights05/09/19 06:11 AM
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Shoe and her boyfriend (fiance?) are both pretty amiable towards us all things considered, and have good instinctual responses to situations.
/r/MensRights05/09/19 02:53 AM
2

Farrell interviewed Yang, and Yang had read his book by the way. He drops occasional crypto shit that only MRAs paying attention would pick up on. I think he's one of ours.
/r/MensRights05/09/19 02:50 AM
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Republicans would alienate a substantial portion of their base by doing it. Depending on the savviness of the candidate, they could also force Democrats into alienating their base too or forcing an end to the "feminists care about mens issues too" charade by forcing them to back either the feminist candidate who says there's no such thing and it's all a plot, or back the open and confessed MRA.
/r/MensRights05/09/19 02:47 AM
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That's one reason yeah, but there's evidence that getting books tailored for boys helps them pay attention and sit still more. You can also roleplay read with them so they're acting out the scenes with you.
/r/MensRights04/09/19 05:30 PM
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People spend less time reading to, less time educating and so on their sons than their daughters, including twin studies with one boy and girl, and including parents of a single child. (On average parents with one son will invest less in them than parents with one daughter.). They use less complex language with boys and less language tied to social skills or emotional intelligence. The subject this isn't the case is math.
/r/MensRights04/09/19 05:04 PM
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It starts earlier than that, with parents. They invest more time and resources into girls than boys.
/r/MensRights04/09/19 09:46 AM
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Building your society around constantly psychologically abusing a demographic will tend to produce these results yeah.
/r/MensRights04/09/19 09:43 AM
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Social violence. They're leveraging their higher status to vilify you and tear you down. ​ Similar to asking "When I ask for slavery to end and lay our my reasons I think it should, the slavemaster beats me. Why?" ​ You know why. It's because they're not interested in what's right, only in maintaining power over you.
/r/MensRights04/09/19 09:41 AM
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Feminism is the demand that not just women think they are the center of the universe, but that men think women are the center of the universe too.
/r/MensRights04/09/19 09:37 AM
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Femininity is cancer. It's like some men refusing to see themselves in any way but as in control of women and any woman who doesn't let that happen is an evil bitch. These women have a brain problem where they can't see themselves as anything but victims and any man who challenges it or doesn't facilitate it is just victimizing them even more and an evil asshole. ​ The problem is entirely in their heads, but they lash out everywhere with it.
/r/MensRights04/09/19 09:36 AM
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And if the one you find when you're 35 had a miserable younger life because all the girls were off doing the same, do you think that'll bother you upon reflection? I guarantee you those "Good" ones wouldn't mind being "Tainted" once in a while in the meantime.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 08:03 PM
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You're assuming men who dislike women don't get slept with. Some of them apply TRP, see it works, and become disgusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 08:00 PM
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I agree she didn't owe him anything. I'm merely noting that this is the kind of thing that leads to men lying to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 12:38 PM
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She decided to no longer engage after knowing relatively little about him beyond that he had done a faux pas. Once the information was out there that he had done so, that was enough for her to decide to no longer engage rather than get to know him and see if she enjoyed talking to him. I'd say that's pretty hypersensitive
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 12:24 PM
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You'd be surprised how often people repeat them, especially when they're being casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 12:20 PM
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They don't, just figured i'd point out that even the "recorded" part isn't necessarily relevant to overall attempts actually undertaken
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 12:18 PM
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I disagree. You're hypersensitive if you can't handle interactions with eccentric people and have to leave. It's not much different to deciding you can't be in the same room as campy gay folk or whatever, once you understand the mental health conditions that might be in play with eccentricity. If existing in society is too much of a chore for you because some peoples nature is too much for you, you're hypersensitive. Appealing to the majority won't work either, we've been oversensitive to a whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 12:16 PM
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> So, I ask, why is there a gut level negative response to what is essentially ... honesty? Misandry and because women are raised to hate men as human beings and see nefarious villainy in their nature and existence, and to expect them to suppress it and act out something more akin to what women are raised to expect from them as a sign of respecting womens status. Like when white folk used to lash out and get angry if black people didn't act in a way that placed themselves in a particular role re…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 12:13 PM
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I disagree. Outside extreme aberrations, faux pas are a thing that happen all the time. It's only with the benefit of conscious scrutiny it becomes obvious that a remark wasn't ideal, but provided you're providing conscious scrutiny anyway you may as well go all the way and note the things i'm noting. Pointing out that the interaction is not one sided and at least some fault lies with the woman in this scenario in terms of lack of social grace and awareness is legitimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 12:10 PM
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It's an example of a general observable trend in interactions with women from multiple sources. Moreover, the whole "Sperg" thing is an example of what we'd call being socially unaware. Some people have difficulties communicating and interacting but are nonetheless enjoyable to be around once you understand that (I.E, are aware of it) and tolerate their eccentricities, and can make good partners. What you're essentially doing is trying to reframe women being hypersensitive and judgemental of men…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 12:04 PM
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It was on her mind and is important to her. She wants to know if i'm on the same page. If i'm not, i'll explain as much, and if i'm open to nonetheless have a fling i'll put that out there instead. This is called "Being socially aware", contrary to what all the "Hurr socially clueless" people are saying. The way to respond to OP is to consider what made them say this thing that appears out of context and how they must be feeling and thinking of the interaction. That's actual social awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 12:01 PM
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If you can't overlook a faux pas or two from a human being in a social interaction, you're hypersensitive. This is the root of the problem that leads to men having to lie to women. They can't just be themselves and have to present a sanitized version. Women cannot stand men being ordinary human beings until the man has some emotional investment from the woman to leverage so she tolerates him not being a paragon of perfection. Meeting men and them having flaws is intolerable to women until they h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 11:56 AM
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Feminist treatment of the MRM and mens issues in general along with their general obstinance on the issue has led to the collapse in genuine equality as a possibility. That leaves three options: Try and change their minds (Placing mens liberation with the cooperation of women, and if they refuse to cooperate, we cannot force them to cooperate with mere words). ​ Being subjugated (See above.) ​ Dominating. In some sense, the failure of feminism to be truly egalitarian makes the moral impetus to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 11:51 AM
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There are more recorded attempts by women, men's kind of attempts don't usually require a hospital trip. If he walks to the train station and can't work up the nerve to jump in front of the train, it goes unrecorded.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 11:46 AM
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"Socially clueless" = phrasing things in ways that don't trigger hypersensitivity now? Men socialize just fine without this kind of nonsense. You're projecting a womans faults onto his behavior. Her reaction is at fault, not him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 11:42 AM
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This kind of hypersensitivity is why men have to lie to women. Just letting an occasional faux pas go because men are human beings seems to be something they don't do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/19 11:40 AM
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The most deadly career is actually truck driving, which is mostly kept male due to the long hours and men being pressured into abandoning work-life balance in favor of being workhorses. As the example shows, abandoning it and pursuing long hours until their driving capabilities suffer and they crash.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 09:33 AM
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Thankyou, you'll have really helped the boys in that class by showing them not all women think this way.
/r/MensRights31/08/19 11:56 AM
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Most people aren't like this, gather them together and marginalize feminists.
/r/MensRights31/08/19 07:18 AM
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It's because they are externalizing an internal problem. You know how if you have severe depression you think your friend isn't talking to you because they hate you? When really there's no evidence of that? Same for feminism. Their brains have been broken by this ideology and now they can't process information properly, so they project their pathology onto everything. It's simple to test. Find an obscure issue and pitch the stats in reverse to them and they'll project their pathology onto it and…
/r/MensRights30/08/19 10:50 PM
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They attacked you because you pointed out they were telling lies mate. You don't even have to share your opinion with them, stating facts is enough. They said it was a JP sub, you noted that was wrong. That's why they lashed out at you. It's black propaganda.
/r/MensRights30/08/19 10:36 PM
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There's a desperate rationalization going on in that thread to pretend the modern feminist movement isn't basically using the same dynamic and it was all racism, with no misandry involved. They claim the modern backlash to "Believe women" is white men doing it. Maybe it is mostly white men arguing it, but here's the thing, campus kangaroo courts based on title 9 and feminist activism to install those courts expel mostly minority male students.
/r/MensRights30/08/19 09:39 AM
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Fantastic news.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/19 02:51 AM
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I'm engaged, thanks. They call us incels because they are vile people who tell lies constantly about everyone they don't like. The MRM demographic survey shows we're in line with population norms when it comes to relationship status. I compared false rape accusations to a murder, and systematic encouragement of false rape accusations to encouragement of mass murder. Laughing about one of your friends seriously suggesting we round up the Jews and so on, is pretty fucked in the head. False accusat…
/r/MensRights29/08/19 05:48 PM
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Reminder that these are the same people who gaslight men constantly, for example claiming men are "Intimidated" by successful women and that's why hypergamy is a thing. Then the studies come out to show that was nonsense and DARVO, but they repeat it anyway. ​ You do not have to take them seriously, or even accept that they are sincerely discussing an issue. Their behavior is always to frame everything in a way that lets them vilify and criticize men, regardless of basis, hence this Journos sudd…
/r/MensRights29/08/19 05:27 PM
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Most toxic workplace behavior women put up with is other women, when you bother to ask about it in studies. Feminists can't handle that shit because it doesn't allow them to hate men, so they cook the books, same as they do on domestic violence and other issues.
/r/MensRights29/08/19 05:25 PM
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Conflict and animosity between men and women is not a byproduct of feminism, it is the goal.
/r/MensRights29/08/19 05:23 PM
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Feminist journalist projecting their own psychology onto men as usual. The tantrums thrown about the MRM show that; ​ ​ "Angry they've been made ot think about their behavior, made to interrogate power dynamics they always took for granted, and are punishing (men) for it by refusing to interact with them." applies way, way more to feminists and how they fucking hate criticism of feminism and how it is abusive than it does to anything men do.
/r/MensRights29/08/19 05:22 PM
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She's failed as a parent because she just up and assumed girls wouldn't turn out like this and is shocked when they do. She exists in this society too but couldn't put two and two together on how the constant anti-male propaganda would make this result inevitable. It's like a parent wondering why their kid is talking about gassing jews all of a sudden and being like "Why is this? This is a mystery." in 1942 germany. It makes her an oblivious moron and a failure as a parent because she didn't tel…
/r/MensRights29/08/19 05:09 PM
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What crazy argument? Holding people responsible for their children is fairly normal.
/r/MensRights29/08/19 03:52 PM
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Your mistake is assuming reality matters compared to feelings and propoganda.
/r/MensRights29/08/19 03:31 PM
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There's that study saying you can take data showing a gender difference, and explain it to women. Depending on how you frame it you get a different reaction. "Men better at"- gets them to say it's offensive and sexist. "Women better at"- and they say it's fine and not a problem. ​ Same here. ​ Those two things can't be reconciled, but one makes women feel bad, so we're not allowed to say it. Instead you have to frame it positively.
/r/MensRights29/08/19 03:31 PM
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You have no proof she didn't tell her daughter not to do it because it harms women if false rape accusations become a norm, with no reference to the harm it does boys and men. That's the usual garbage they come out with on this topic.
/r/MensRights29/08/19 03:28 PM
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The notion of us "Looking bad" in the eyes of people who take every excuse they have to demonize, vilify, and hate us, is laughable.
/r/MensRights29/08/19 03:27 PM
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When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression. They like to throw that quote in mens faces but the actual studies on the matter show it applies to them, not us.
/r/MensRights29/08/19 12:19 PM
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Angry femcels, manipulative lesbians trying to get straight women to sleep with them instead of men, and straight up abusers and psychopaths (the ones in relationships with men.). Welcome to feminism.
/r/MensRights29/08/19 12:15 PM
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How is it sexist against women if when they seek custody, they get it? Nobody forces them to have it. Also, this ignores maternal gatekeeping is one of the primary reasons women take care of children. The whole "It's secretly misogyny" thing is gaslighting that misandrists put out to deflect attention away from sexism against men. ​ https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/about-fathers/200806/maternal-gatekeeping-do-mothers-limit-fathers-involvement-their-kids ​ The problem is women thinking men…
/r/MensRights29/08/19 11:51 AM
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Woop woop!
/r/MensRights24/08/19 06:36 PM
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Much as I fucking hate this law, it is in fact the law that a CEO is obligated to try and maximize profit for the shareholders and failure to do so is a crime. They are acting on their behalf with their property. ​ It is corporaye malfeasance not to behave this way. If he said, "more moneys from acting this way because woke profits" and then "Well, that was a mistake, but mistakes happen" he'd be in he clear. But that's not what he said. So he might be liable for a corporate malfeasance lawsuit.…
/r/MensRights24/08/19 04:13 PM
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They do conferences every year mate. Tends to buzz around the anglosphere.
/r/MensRights24/08/19 12:07 PM
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Menslibs notion of positive masculinity is built entirely around their treatment of women. That's because they are feminists and utilize a gynocentric framework of what is wrong with men and what needs to change about them and so on, instead of thinking about that for mens own sake from their own perspective. Even if you ignore the issue of actual systemic discrimination against men and the need to combat misandry and pretend to believe this bullshit about "well if men just envision themselves i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/19 11:31 AM
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Fragile feminism.
/r/MensRights24/08/19 09:03 AM
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Prepping your defense just in case can't hurt, but you should accept you're not going to be able to get feminists to understand what happened to you. Think about this. You knew this woman was a false accuser, and did nothing about it. You hit on her even. Why? Feminism rotted your brain. It wasn't until you were forced to confront reality you realized how feminism is harmful. Instead you have to accept you're going to need to network with non-feminists or anti-feminists. Those friends are lost, …
/r/MensRights24/08/19 09:01 AM
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More seriously it's like the couple of hundred years before this, which was still hating on the Jews. Feminists like to act like just because nothing like the holocaust has happened yet we're being paranoid, and thus expect us to ignore them normalizing bigotry against men and escalating it over time.
/r/MensRights24/08/19 08:54 AM
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I'm a fan of contrapoints and an MRA with a couple of tens of thousands of upvotes, some pinned topics over the years and so on. I'd come over to the sub to discuss this video and our movement if I got some level of assurance it wouldn't be seen as unwelcome.
/r/MensRights24/08/19 07:21 AM
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"Bitch, make me a sandwich." v "Honey, you make sandwiches really well." If I say it nicely, it's different, right? The problem certainly isn't me demanding you make me a sandwich in the first place, it's still you, obviously.
/r/MensRights24/08/19 07:14 AM
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Domestic violence used to include any family members in the household, and women were far and away the majority perpetrators. So feminists excluded children, excluded the elderly, and then acted like a woman beating their husband was self-defence, then started whining about patriarchy. It was a prolonged process of cooking the books.
/r/MensRights21/08/19 08:28 AM
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The whole "Men are intimidated by success" thing was just DARVO and Gaslighting by feminists trying to blame men and misogyny for hypergamy instead of admitting misandry is a thing. The study proves they were projecting womens flaws onto men out of a pathological need to avoid taking responsibility for how they have messed up society with their misdiagnoses of the causes of sexism.
/r/MensRights20/08/19 11:01 PM
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It's not just MRAs who blame feminism though, is it. Men in general do have grievance with it. Only 7% of men support feminism.
/r/MensRights19/08/19 09:19 AM
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If you call yourself a feminist, most men are not going to trust you with their stories. You can't blame people for disliking and distrusting you if you go around in a pointy ghost costume while the KKK is active. So no, in my opinion, you cannot be for mens rights and call yourself a feminist, because you are actively demonstrating a lack of empathy and concern for men and their wellbeing by doing so, and making it more difficult for them to approach you if they have a problem.
/r/MensRights19/08/19 09:18 AM
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40% of custodial mothers admit when surveyed that they interfere with the fathers visitation rights to mess with them.
/r/MensRights18/08/19 10:46 PM
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Why do you think if women had orgasms in sex they'd sleep with different men rather than the same select group of men more often? I agree that there's a lot to discuss when it comes to sex and ensuring men aren't selfish lovers (And the reverse is also true, an orgasm isn't what makes sex good for men. A woman lying on her back doing nothing can make a man orgasm, but she can't make it good sex.), but the point of the OP is to highlight how feminists shift from claiming people aren't owed an org…
/r/MensRights18/08/19 10:42 PM
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Hey man, if you ever need to talk about it, go ahead, i'll be here.
/r/MensRights18/08/19 10:41 PM
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Misandry is not toxic masculinity. This is the woman trying to get the man to internalize her misandry. ​ Don't let feminists frame it as toxic masculinity, that's just an excuse to focus on criticizing men and not focus on criticizing misandrists.
/r/MensRights18/08/19 10:35 PM
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Reminder that women are as violent to men as men are to women in terms of rape perpetration and domestic violence incidents. So...
/r/MensRights18/08/19 10:34 PM
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Spoiler, they didn't. Not in the way feminists pretend. ​ Working class women and working class men both had jobs outside the home. In the home working class women cooked while working class men did other stuff, often with the kids, and working class men would sometimes cook too but this was less common. ​ Other than that, women did not cook, they had servants to do it for them, women servants from the working classes. They also had male servants do things. The middle and upper class women thems…
/r/MensRights18/08/19 10:14 AM
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If feminists weren't so virulently hostile to acknowledging biological differences they could help girls remain more interested in math by explaining a couple of things about how males and females process information. The reason girls lose interest is that the boys are raising their hands to give the answer quicker than she has parsed what the question is. This leads them to believe they are stupid and that math isn't for them. In reality girls can do the sums just fine, they'll just be slower a…
/r/MensRights18/08/19 04:14 AM
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Yep. Their pinned topic about us is a pack of lies too.
/r/MensRights18/08/19 03:12 AM
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Notice none of them want to admit what this says about red pill types and "Nice guys" and so on. Functionally speaking, men raised in an environment of feminist psychological abuse become traumatized and unable to view themselves sexually without feeling guilty and monstrous. They try and get women to sleep with them or into relationships without displaying sexuality because of that trauma, where due to persistant and pervasive psychological abuse by feminists they associate their sexuality with…
/r/MensRights18/08/19 12:41 AM
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That entire thread is astounding tbh. They all acknowledge what the problem is, but none of them want to admit that means feminism is terrible for men and has traumatized them. They stick around saying that it's an equality movement and they need to fix it so feminism doesn't do this to men anymore. ML my dudes. You don't fix an abusive relationship, you leave it. You don't owe them anything just because they set out to make it a partnership and you'd be ruining their plans if you left. That's a…
/r/MensRights18/08/19 12:31 AM
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Worth noting as well that this response of his girlfriend :"why were you so tense at that time, it was completely fine for you to do that!" Is her noticing his sexual trauma. That's akin to the kind of reaction rape victims have to sexual encounters. Tensing up, feeling immediate anxiety and discomfort, and so on. ​ They occur for the same reason. Perception of sexual encounters as akin to violent events. Both rape victims and men exposed to prolonged feminist abuse have this problem. Feminist g…
/r/MensRights18/08/19 12:06 AM
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I mean that's a possible explanation but I'd say you'd need more than conjecture to prove it. If transwomen want to be transwomen then that's not really doing any harm and it doesn't do harm to treat it like it's a legitimate thing, provided we also undermine and demolish feminist gaslighting and abuse of men. If when feminism is marginalized, transwomen stop happening as frequently, then that's that. If it doesn't, it doesn't. There's no need to care about this manifestation particularly, if it…
/r/MensRights18/08/19 12:01 AM
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Cheers bruv, i'll put it in the OP.
/r/MensRights17/08/19 11:34 PM
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It's exactly the same kind of kafka trap the entire feminist movement is based on and how it frames sexism in general. They start with a desire to hurt men and gaslight them and then make up rationalizations for it. Womens issues? Patriarchy. Mens issues? Patriarchy. ​ we're dealing with bad faith actors. They have a goal, and they are prepared to make whatever arguments they need to get there, facts be damned. Any evidence you present them, they will rationalize as proving their point that thei…
/r/MensRights17/08/19 10:11 PM
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Menslib talks about men from a feminist perspective with that this helps men. Menslibwatch is commentary to prove that isn't the case.
/r/MensRights17/08/19 09:39 PM
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It's really not. It's commentary on menslib by mens rights activists. They specifically ban derogatory slurs like cuck and so on about the users of menslib. That in itself makes it above and beyond the other "watch" subs imo. They take note of the evidence that menslib is anti-male and comment on the ways it is.
/r/MensRights17/08/19 09:25 PM
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I'd encourage people not to smirk or poke fun at them, but I understand the desire to do so.
/r/MensRights17/08/19 09:18 PM
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I started out with hopes for the sub, but it quickly revealed itself to be negative. Men sat around believing if they can just find the root of all evil inside their own head and destroy it, everything will be okay for everybody.
/r/MensRights17/08/19 08:56 PM
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I disagree mate. The sub was founded in direct reaction to the MRM pointing out how shit feminism is. You don't go to menslib without having already decided you aren't willing to consider anti-feminsim an option. ​ Menslib exists fundamentally to keep men talking in circles and rationalizing to themselves that the way feminism treats them is okay and trying to *prevent* them becoming MRAs. Not so much a bridge, as a berlin wall.
/r/MensRights17/08/19 08:53 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that. I've been through something similar. As a kid I went through something similar with a couple of feminist authority figures, and that's not to mention the fairly persistent revanchism you experience from girls and women who have been indoctrinated into thinking being cruel, abusive, or unfair to boys is okay and you can dismiss their complaints by referencing womens oppression or patriarchy so turnabout is fair play. Do you think Mensrights is better?
/r/MensRights17/08/19 08:49 PM
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Why do you see it that way? I view us as fundamentally opposed to both of them for different reasons. One is an abuser, and one is a group of people trying to rationalize they deserve their abuse and its form their own good.
/r/MensRights17/08/19 08:47 PM
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-31751672 here's one example. There's other factors in it too. Teachers punish boys more harshly for the same behavior as girls and resort to expulsion quicker for boys, with less warnings, and so on. Schools are also geared for girls in terms of how the work is communicated, how it is tested, and the structure of the activities. Boys are being diagnosed with ADHD and presumed to be mentally ill because they are not the same as girls and show signs of restless…
/r/FeminismStopsWhen17/08/19 03:19 PM
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This ignores that girls are getting higher marks in schools, at least part of which has been proven to be due to anti-male discrimination.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen17/08/19 03:05 PM
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Approaching this goal from a feminist perspective means they will fuck it up, because they'll raise the boys to think the problem is entirely internal and in their heads and they just need to not hate women and it'll go fine. ​ They'll approach it from the "everything is misogyny" angle and not give their sons any actual resistance to misandry, nor raise their daughters not to be misandrists. We know this because we've already had generations of men raised feminist and it did precisely nothing t…
/r/MensRights17/08/19 03:46 AM
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Aww diddums, no response beyond shutting down and claiming it's all lies then running away. Bye bye.
/r/MensRights16/08/19 10:43 PM
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That's not what the statistics show if you don't cook the books, that's one example of the oppression men put up with as a result of feminists. Here you go: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233717660_Thirty_Years_of_Denying_the_Evidence_on_Gender_Symmetry_in_Partner_Violence_Implications_for_Prevention_and_Treatment Feminists up and decided to cook the books by doing what you do, rationalizing excuses to reach the conclusion that men are the problem. They decided women committed DV as re…
/r/MensRights16/08/19 10:36 PM
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Here's four examples of systematic bias women show and how their sexism impacts men in negative ways: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15491274 Womens in group bias. https://i.redd.it/wzisekoskn811.png (That one very relevant for a democracy and how it skews the conversation. Stop blaming men for lack of concern for male rape and DV victims because you rationalize everything to be mens fault, and take a look at the actual evidence here.). https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/about-fathers/…
/r/MensRights16/08/19 10:26 PM
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The Duluth model of domestic violence is one example. The boys crisis in education is another. Maternal gatekeeping is a third. The justice gap is a fourth. There's hundreds and hundreds of issues dude. Plenty of examples of women committing a systemic injustice against men. Right. You know there's zero billionaires in the senate or the house of commons? Are they oppressed? No, they influence government policy to get what they want and ensure class privilege is enshrined. Now follow along. How m…
/r/MensRights16/08/19 10:20 PM
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Men taking responsibility for all sexism is blaming men, dude, especially in the context of constantly acting like masculinity is the problem and only men need to change and then the women will stop "Internalizing" sexism sourced originally in men. So why do they suddenly not matter for holding women accountable, but when you believed men were ineffective at the same issue (stopping women getting the vote) they needed to take responsibility? Interesting double standard there mate. It's because y…
/r/MensRights16/08/19 10:12 PM
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Called it. The opposition to women getting the vote in case they get drafted was chiefly led by women. For the most part, most men stayed out of that debate until women made up their minds. What you think is me owning myself Is you projecting your worldview onto any information that crosses your path because it is an unfalsifiable system that cannot be disproven, as it is not a set of facts, but a process of rationalizations. Same as an anti-Semite can always find some way to blame the Jews for …
/r/MensRights16/08/19 10:00 PM
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Ofcourse it didn't win, that's besides the point. You claimed it was men opposed to suffrage, chiefly it was women. Their motives are besides the point, i'm debunking your bullshit about it being men who did it, why do their motives matter at all? Another example is the womens anti-suffrage league in the UK. Neither of your points address the fundamental observation: The reason women got universal suffrage later than men got universal suffrage was an active attempt by women to protect their priv…
/r/MensRights16/08/19 09:50 PM
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Okey doke, you're right, toned it down.
/r/MensRights16/08/19 09:44 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_Opposed_to_Woman_Suffrage Educate Yourself. ​ "The National Association Opposed to Women Suffrage (NAOWS) was founded in the United States by women opposed to the suffrage movement in 1911. It was the most popular anti-suffrage organization in northeastern cities." By Women. Most Popular. ​ Anyone wanna see this dumb misandrist perform the rationalizations necessary to deflect blame back to men again after she just got proven wrong that it was m…
/r/MensRights16/08/19 09:38 PM
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Sounds like you're ignoring the first two qualifications there to pretend it's about gender and men as a class oppressing women. It's not a bullshit claim about the draft. That's the history of what happened with regards to universal suffrage. Moreover you're ignoring that power is not monolithic and people can have power in different contexts and over different issues, and men are just as valid in their pursuit of equality in areas where women hold more power than them as women are in demanding…
/r/MensRights16/08/19 09:30 PM
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In school I remember a couple of instances of teachers shouting at a boy for being in a conversation with a girl in class. Like, they'd both be talking, and the teacher would be like "JAMES WE'RE WORKING!". ​ It's practically universal and none of them seem to notice it. Worth noting that this environment teachers girls they will never be held accountable and if they can find a way to pin something on a guy he will be instead of her.
/r/MensRights16/08/19 09:23 PM
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But then you're making a scene and they'll punish you. ​ Gaslighting of this kind and reacting like you're the villain for getting angry about it is one of the main reasons female supremacy is hard to combat.
/r/MensRights16/08/19 09:22 PM
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Another common theme of mass shooters not noted here is that when interviewed (if they survive) they were all prevented from physical play in childhood and never learned to regulate it. This is one reason why mass shootings has increased rapidly since the 70s and the demonization of masculinity along with up and deciding boys are broken and need to be fixed and prevented from indulging in these "toxic" behaviors. ​ Feminists told society that boys roughhousing was evil and led to them being rapi…
/r/MensRights16/08/19 09:17 PM
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Men didn't have the right to vote by virtue of being men either, and by the time it was extended to all men it was being extended to all women too, but was held up by fears over this meaning we would have to draft women, before eventually being given to them without drafting them. One example of your narrative not being based in reality.
/r/MensRights16/08/19 09:14 PM
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The next phase is to change it and feminize it so it appeals to girls more while demonizing people who oppose that as misogynist.
/r/MensRights16/08/19 05:27 PM
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Notice that it took them 5 to 10 years to fix this issue, but the general boys crisis has continued for over 50. Almost like their ideology is inept at handling mens issues and no amount of their claims of having good intentions actually matters.
/r/MensRights16/08/19 05:17 PM
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Their identity is based on it and they cannot function without it. It's their primary means for understanding the world. To venture outside it is to go mad for them. Ordinary humans without their mental illness posit as the foundational truth; "Cogito Ergo Sum.", the feminist posits; "Women are oppressed.". They may as well be a different species entirely. (Please note, only 20% of women are feminist.). No matter what facts you present them with, even if you entire change those set of facts to s…
/r/MensRights15/08/19 09:20 AM
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It's 20% of women engaged in this psychological violence. Why do you rule out dishonesty?20% is a fairly normal number for an authoritarian regime. If they were being physically violent it would be more obvious, but that's not how feminine violence works. It's entirely possible they actively know what they are doing, are being dishonest, and are simply playing word games and gaslighting men in order to keep them in line. It's consistent with the evidence in front of us. Either that or we have to…
/r/MensRights15/08/19 09:17 AM
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Notice that the solution is always the same too. Criticize and demonize men, demand more respect for women, and demand more power for women.
/r/MensRights15/08/19 09:13 AM
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You can watch them do this in real time by finding an obscure issue and stat, reversing it and telling it to them. They'll rationalize how it's the mens fault. Then you tell them actually the truth is the reverse of that stat I just told you. They'll tell you it's still the mens fault. It's nothing but a bunch of hateful people crowdsourcing their rationalizations for their hatred to eachother.
/r/MensRights15/08/19 09:12 AM
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Comic is written by a feminist, what did you expect if not freudian slips that reveal how fucked in the head they are?
/r/MensRights15/08/19 09:10 AM
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Notice how her response to his point is to lash out and imply he's a sexist rather than form any coherent response to it.
/r/MensRights15/08/19 09:09 AM
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It ignores that male victims have their own fucked up version of this being done to them with the whole "Well you're a guy so you wanted it" stuff and pretends that men don't have this happen to them. Once again, a feminist erases a mens issue in order to pretend it is unique to women. ​ You're entirely right with this; "shouldn't I be seeing similar posts on articles talking about female victims or if she didn't like it why did she get "wet" or ger nipples get hard? The questions they should be…
/r/MensRights15/08/19 09:05 AM
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Given recent context, I figured this might be semi-relevant and worth looking over. Also, the hindsight on that article title, yikes. ​ " also discussed sexual empowerment through the lens of feminism. " " Sia's response perfectly sums up how feminism and sexual empowerment go hand in hand: "The question is, are you sexy for yourself or are you seeking validation from outside sources?" " ​ Maybe those are pretty cheap quotes to pull, or maybe they've got something worth looking further into give…
/r/MensRights15/08/19 08:00 AM
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It's normalized in the sense that these people have infiltrated and overrun institutions and so are much louder than ordinary people and censor and harass people who openly disagree with them.
/r/MensRights15/08/19 01:38 AM
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They like to claim it's because you're derailing a womens issue and a discussion about women victims, but if you pay attention, they're not ever really doing that. They're talking about women victims of male perpetrators. If you got raped or beat up or whatever by a woman, you're not included either. ​ Because the focus of the discussion isn't really about helping women. It's about hurting men. That's why they react so angrily to you pointing out women do this too and men are also victims. It ge…
/r/MensRights15/08/19 01:28 AM
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You know how the middle class liberal progressive types like to sneer that if someone who can't even speak english is taking your job you weren't any good at it? ... ​ Dunno why that occurred to me just now, but it did. Entirely unrelated, obviously.
/r/MensRights15/08/19 01:24 AM
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Mate it's a good thing because the next step is to immediately challenge the next feminist ad campaign on DV or rape with the same law when they inevitably stereotype the issue. THEN the shit will truly hit the fan.
/r/MensRights15/08/19 01:21 AM
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Your usage of the term incel in this fashion suggests you don't actually know what MGTOW stands for.
/r/MensRights15/08/19 01:20 AM
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It's the most active and populated feminist sub on reddit.
/r/MensRights15/08/19 01:18 AM
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They've bought into a set of delusions where because they do not live in a utopia, men are out to get them. The mere existence of bad things happening to women is sufficient to convince them they are oppressed, and no amount of evidence to the contrary will suffice. Approach it from a realpolitik-idealpolitik hybridized perspective. Either we convince enough women to knock it off and get on board with helping us that the rest can be marginalized and shouted down, or for some reason we can't do t…
/r/MensRights15/08/19 01:15 AM
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You don't need to concern yourself with them accusing you of not being compassionate. Our grievance is with their campaigns against the accused. That's nothing to do with compassion. It's entirely possible to be compassionate to a claimant and not go after the accused, happens all the time. ​ When you do go after the accused, that's where the argument starts over innocent until proven guilty and so on. Which is why their claims that our defense of the accused are evidence we hate women and have …
/r/MensRights15/08/19 01:12 AM
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Almost like the "All of mens problems will get better if you just give women power and stop keeping those positions to yourselves" argument was based in narcissism and gaslighting.
/r/MensRights15/08/19 01:09 AM
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Feminists want to keep the conversation focused on men as perpetrators of evil, but are warming to the idea of that being evil against both sexes and are currently in a bit of a civil war over whether men are evil to women and that should be the narrative, of men are evil generally and they just need to accept the benevolent rule of feminists for their own good because they're hurting themselves too. The two factions are; "The conversation must be, women are being harmed by men." VS"The conversa…
/r/MensRights15/08/19 12:50 AM
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Multiple slaves better for owners than multiple owners for slaves. ​ Groundbreaking.
/r/MensRights15/08/19 12:43 AM
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You can catch these people out on it since they're so often poorly informed. Feed them the reverse of an obscure issue and watch them play the game where secretly it's all misogyny and down to patriarchy. Then reveal actually the stats were the opposite of what they just told them, does that change their view? No. Now it's just patriarchy and misogyny. It's a revealing exercise to understand that reality doesn't matter to these people.
/r/MensRights15/08/19 12:37 AM
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Are you sure they never did anything, or do you think it's possible they did something and you filed it away because you perceived it as less egregious since it was a woman doing it?
/r/MensRights15/08/19 12:30 AM
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Idk man. If women refuse to let men have rights, eventually it becomes a matter of strategy on how to get them, and one way is to go for tit for tat. Destroy abortion rights and then refuse to support them again without provisions for men. Then it forces the issue. It's a valid strategy, even if not ideal. I suppose it depends on how you view most women. are they people who can be convinced? Or is their opposition done in bad faith? If the former, no need. If the latter, there's no other way.
/r/MensRights12/08/19 06:54 PM
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It's because they're entirely self-absorbed narcissists and don't see men as people. They'll rattle off some crap about how it's for them and not you that they dress this way and so on, but I guarantee if you went into work with a t-shirt saying feminists are stupid they'd suddenly understand that when you are in public, other people can see you and be impacted by what you are wearing. Or rather they wouldn't understand it, the hamster wheel would start spinning and out come the rationalizations…
/r/MensRights12/08/19 06:49 PM
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They're fueled by hatred and outgrouping of men and celebrating superiority over them and so on. The goalposts move because the goal isn't anything tangible beyond facilitating their toxic behaviors, self-serving rationalizations, selfishness, and narcissism. Each stage of it it gets worse because it builds on the demonization, vilification, and so on of the previous step. The problem is they have a massive level of in group bias and misandry, but DARVO and project that onto men, thus making eac…
/r/MensRights11/08/19 11:24 PM
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Take a look at the full spectrum of concern for animal welfare across humanity. From boiling dogs alive and selling it at markets up to the other extreme of PETA and animal liberation and so on. If we can traverse that spectrum for animals culturally, why not men?
/r/MensRights11/08/19 11:07 PM
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So why are racial minorities also jailed longer? Racism against whites? ​ It's not treating women like children, it's treating women like human beings. There's all this focus on why a woman would commit a crime, what were her life circumstances, what pushed her toward it. A woman is a person who did a burglary. A man is a burglar. That's the difference. The dehumanization of men, because when you start to point out those circumstances about male criminals, people absolutely lose their fucking sh…
/r/MensRights11/08/19 09:51 PM
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United Kingdom is one I know it's true in.
/r/MensRights11/08/19 09:02 PM
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I figured, but it's all sentiments we've seen before anyway and responses common in places like TwoX and so on, so may as well address them.
/r/MensRights11/08/19 03:15 AM
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Feminism is a hate movement, anger would be justified. You seem to have a problem with basic facts contradicting your view of the world.
/r/MensRights11/08/19 02:52 AM
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My wife lol. You don't really know anything about how I treat women, do you. You're just throwing out some pathetic stereotypes that have been debunked plenty of times. The MRA demographic survey shows we're in line with population norms in terms of relationship status. But that'd be assuming you and the other triggered feminists who throw this out there were sincere and just ignorant, rather than using it as a tactic of abuse so you can derail conversations, (and to scare younger and single men…
/r/MensRights11/08/19 02:39 AM
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Why would you think that?
/r/MensRights11/08/19 02:33 AM
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There's a difference between not being in the mood for passive reasons of "Not horny" and not being in the mood because of things like a headache and "Would not enjoy sex.". ​ The former you can agree anyway and enjoy it.
/r/MensRights11/08/19 01:28 AM
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Attend party meetings and push mens issues as an agenda. Be mercenary and side with whoever is prepared to go furthest on that agenda even if it means sacrificing other principles, until the topic is normalized.
/r/MensRights11/08/19 01:26 AM
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On false accusations: Even if we take feminists at their word and accept the lowest possible figures for number of false accusations, and only count false accusations made to law enforcement as counting, you're still more likely to be falsely accused than murdered.
/r/MensRights11/08/19 01:24 AM
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Good example of how it isn't the case that women are infantilized and viewed as not having agency when they commit crimes, but moreso that their victims are most often men and people don't care about men.
/r/MensRights08/08/19 04:16 PM
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How so?
/r/MensRights08/08/19 01:30 AM
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Other MRA groups have accomplished a lot. For example, the NCFM has obtained court rulings on discrimination cases, including the legality of the draft. The Coalition for men and boys in the UK has also done a lot including spearheading CALM, which has reduced male suicide.
/r/MensRights08/08/19 01:30 AM
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"Feminism convinced me that sexual battery of men was empowering".
/r/MensRights06/08/19 12:31 AM
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Responses are confused. ​ ProMaleCollective is a splinted sub that recently got founded. It was a kind of radical MRA group that denounces every other MRA group as insufficient and weak. basically any actions or mode of thinking that doesn't maximally benefit men is seen as treacherous. I get you OP, they had a few good posts to hook people in, but holy shit have they quickly lost my interest.
/r/MensRights06/08/19 12:19 AM
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I'm apparently alt-right despite being a socialist.
/r/MensRights06/08/19 12:14 AM
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Why do you assume they aren't aware of what they are doing and you can cause them to realize it? They know. They're just gaslighting you.
/r/MensRights06/08/19 12:12 AM
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Feminist delusions VS reality here: In the 1960’s, there was one school shooting.In the 1980’s, there were 27.In the 1990’s, there were 58.In the past decade, there have been over 120. ​ It's not privilege, it's epistemic injustice perpetuated by feminists and the left. One real reason is that men, and white men in particular, do not have spaces with which to associate with other people in similar experiences and understand they are not alone. All other demographics have areas where they can for…
/r/MensRights06/08/19 12:00 AM
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Hatred of men for being different to women and acting like being a woman should be the norm, basically. Women talking about topics I don't know about is fine with me. You don't see me going around deciding that women talking about fashion is an act of violence against me or some silly shit.
/r/MensRights05/08/19 11:51 PM
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I said if the nice girl is a feminist he should check she actually is nice and it isn't a facade first. You're also ignoring that this is in response to his question about his fears of being falsely accused, which makes "Avoid feminists" very relevant. ​ Like if I was afraid i'd get involved in gang crime while out dating, the advice, "Don't date women who are members of gangs dude" might be relevant. If you don't have these fears then it's more reasonable to consider feminists as viable, though…
/r/MensRights05/08/19 10:41 PM
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