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| 3 | The progression of a PUA, from the newbie to the master.Apparently you are into the improve yourself literature also (gladwell), seven years... It doesn't take you seven years to learn tick tac toe. In fact all skills take varying amounts of time to learn and master. Pickup is just not that difficult. The people making it seem difficult are the people with a financial motive. I am not indicting a community, I am indicting a lack of community. Community helps to provide and vet valuable information, not insidiously promote their friends and colleagues… | /r/seduction | 28/05/13 11:22 PM |
| 1 | The progression of a PUA, from the newbie to the master.Less than a year though I don't go out more than twice a week and then I started going online based on Dave M's advice which was even less work for more play. Pickup just isn't that hard, this isn't a major league sport. | /r/seduction | 28/05/13 11:10 PM |
| 5 | My first [FR]: Struck out with a hb9-10, how could I have changed the outcome?You need to isolate properly, the whole point of it is to be away from possible distractions. "Caveman|Muscles, take it easy. We're all just having fun here." If he actually said "Hey baby, what's this kid boring you for?" and that was sufficient to get her to go then this is probably not a girl you want anyhow or your description of where you were in the progression is not accurate. You could have found her again later. Bottom line though if you had really built the attraction she wouldn't have… | /r/seduction | 28/05/13 09:08 PM |
| 9 | The progression of a PUA, from the newbie to the master.It doesn't take five fucking years, this is a whole pile of sales BS. | /r/seduction | 28/05/13 08:57 PM |
| 4 | How to keep distance with a girl looking for more?It has a lot to do with how you set expectations at the outset and being straightforward about communication and what you want and being a little sensitive to what they want. I actually am really busy so I just make it clear that I love the time I spend with them but I'm not going to be txt'ing, calling, emailing unless it's about our specific plans. Then when we are together I make sure to make it count, stay off the phone and email, etc. I really have a pretty strict rule of once per week with… | /r/seduction | 22/05/13 07:28 PM |
| 2 | Online Dating?See my comment history for a little more information. It's not one tiny thing, it's everything just like PUA is to an AFC. If you want to go online because you're having a hard time in person you're going to have a bad time. I'm willing to spend time to help a few people with it but it's wasted on someone who isn't already at a high level closing with girls in person. It also depends on a lot of original painstakingly developed material. | /r/seduction | 17/05/13 11:17 PM |
| -5 | Online Dating?So you're saying that you're an advanced PUA but have been in this forum for 4 months and not contributed a single field report? | /r/seduction | 17/05/13 10:50 PM |
| -1 | Online Dating?It's advanced A+++ level pua. If you have mastered in person pickup and gotten pickier and pickier it's worth looking at, there is a definite system to it. Most guys shotgun it and then are disappointed with the results. Basically the AFC's of the online world and thank god for that cause it makes the competition weak. | /r/seduction | 17/05/13 09:46 PM |
| 1 | What advice would you guys give to a 15 year old who wants to really work on his inner game and mainly do daygame?Being in highschool is absolutely nothing like being in a bar, nothing at all. At 15 brain development is still going, the material we present here, if you don't sugarcoat, is in one form or another emotional manipulation. I would like to not encourage or enable pathologies and obsessions with this material, there are levels of moral and ethical judgement that we expect adults to be able to apply to situations that there is no way a 15 year old could. We talk about a lot of adult content. I'm no… | /r/seduction | 17/05/13 09:07 PM |
| 1 | Vegas day and night game?I think that is kind of a pointless assumption and while sometimes true you have no way of knowing before approach. You can however make some statistical assumptions about people that a lot of people are out of towners/tourists and as a local that is a great in to meet and take out groups. | /r/seduction | 17/05/13 01:45 AM |
| 1 | Gents, what's the best way to approach a girl in a non typical/convenient scenario? Ladies, what has worked on you?You're anxious because you don't know what the fuck you are doing. See my post on confidence and competence. | /r/seduction | 17/05/13 01:43 AM |
| 1 | Gents, what's the best way to approach a girl in a non typical/convenient scenario? Ladies, what has worked on you?You are over thinking it. Women are subtle, strong eye contact like that is 75% she would SNL you. Cold approach, body language is important because you don't want to come off as creepy or sales-y but you already had a warm approach so no different than regular night game, you mine as well have been in a bar. If a woman is moving and you are getting her to stop with your position make eye contact and say "Don't panic..." [sasha]. Then use your opener. Easy daygame openers: 1) What kind of [sandw… | /r/seduction | 17/05/13 01:42 AM |
| 11 | What advice would you guys give to a 15 year old who wants to really work on his inner game and mainly do daygame?Am I the only one that things this forum and it's information is not really a great thing for a 15 year old? Focus on building friendships, expanding your horizons with schooling and activities, try and mesh with different groups of people and not just one clique, talk to girls as much as you can, that's really all you need in high school. | /r/seduction | 17/05/13 01:34 AM |
| 1 | I am stepping down as moderator to focus on my writing. Please read, I have a big announcement.I have a lot of respect for a great deal of the contributions that TofuTofu has made here but in the same post he is lambasting the "endless stream of fluffy blog posts, newsletters, Youtube videos, and podcasts" and generally salesyness that this forum ventures towards he is pitching a kickstarter for his book. I'm an author IRL and you don't need a kickstarter to write or sell a book. I think we really need to consider a blanket ban on anyone selling anything or linking to selling anything on … | /r/seduction | 17/05/13 01:29 AM |
| 3 | [FR] yesterday, me alone at bar, no drinking- as requested.I really respect that you put your self out there and gave a real world FR. You are clearly willing to do the work so my suggestion is work smarter not harder. The night you had was way too much hard work, this stuff is supposed to be easy -- and it is. If you are in LA or NYC PM me. Find some better venues and don't be afraid to bail on a venue if it's not working for you. Practice befriending the service staff, stories, jokes, whatever seems to work for you. A slow night it just as bad for the… | /r/seduction | 15/05/13 06:08 PM |
| 2 | Long time lurker first post: Experienced and 95% successful PUA: Me as a PUA, a disclaimer, and the top 7 tips you need to adopt.Due credit should be given to the originator, I'm not worried about the girls, do you have a link to it? | /r/seduction | 15/05/13 12:09 AM |
| 4 | Long time lurker first post: Experienced and 95% successful PUA: Me as a PUA, a disclaimer, and the top 7 tips you need to adopt.Gotta say, really love the calling yourself. Borrow her phone, call yourself, then hand her your phone, "ohh hey can you take this". So many levels of distraction and humor going on there, awesome anchor. Do you want to take credit for that or did you get it somewhere? | /r/seduction | 14/05/13 11:10 PM |
| 1 | Why exactly are day and night game so different?My point is more that there is day game, night game and college game -- three separate things. In college you are shooting fish in a barrel, enjoy it while you can because it's never that easy again. | /r/seduction | 14/05/13 08:17 PM |
| 3 | Why exactly are day and night game so different?I find the opposite of many of the comments here. Maybe at college day game is easier but in real life it is much more difficult. There is a lot more skepticism and not very much context to meeting a women out and about. In night game the venue itself has preselected the girls and is a very powerful context about why somewhere is there and what they are looking for. Day game people generally have real life shit to do, night game people are out specifically to meet people. | /r/seduction | 14/05/13 06:25 AM |
| 1 | I Feel like I'm uglyYou sort of missed my point I think. It has nothing to do with 'confidence'. You have little direct control over your 'confidence'. Deciding whether you have value as a person is entirely separate from anything related to pickup, it's a choice you have to make based on your values and then consequently you can make new choices to change it. You may be incompetent at the whole pickup thing but at least that is something you can control, educate yourself, practice and improve. If you become compet… | /r/seduction | 13/05/13 11:13 PM |
| 1 | Extreme shaking when nervousThere are a lot of things you can do to manage anxiety and anxiousness and prescription medications are really a last resort. If you symptoms are so severe that they present a danger to you or anyone else then by all means see a doctor. If not you can start with something simple like trauma breathing, in for 4, hold for 4, out for 4. Look in detail at what is making you anxious and practice situations to help you learn to control it. Focus on specific precise next steps rather than an end goal. | /r/seduction | 13/05/13 10:51 PM |
| 2 | I Feel like I'm uglyPost your picture as you go out to hotornot.com and get an unbiased baseline. If you can get >7 you are not going to have any problems with pickup related to your looks, if you are below that there are a lot of little things you can do like teeth, tan, gym, etc to inch up those couple extra points. If you really are morbidly obese with out of control hair and bad teeth it's time to see a hair dresser, a doctor and a dentist. Also understand that what you are saying goes way beyond your looks, yo… | /r/seduction | 13/05/13 10:46 PM |
| 1 | First step from girlWhy don't deer walk up to hunters? A fundamental aspect of pickup and dating/mating is that it is NOT a coequal symmetrical interaction between two parties. I'm not making some broad statement about society as a whole or about women outside of the dating/mating sphere. But with regards to dating, the activity is that of the archetypical predator, the male, and the archetypical prey, the woman. This is the result of millennia of evolution, a couple decades of feminism may have made a difference i… | /r/seduction | 13/05/13 10:42 PM |
| 2 | I can't drink.. can I still play the game?In most bars you can ask for a seltzer with lime which is generally known as the drink of either designated drivers or those in AA. It's almost always gratis and it looks like a 'real drink'. If you ask for one immediately in a restaurant of any class the host/waiter will generally skip the booze menu/specials, at least for you. | /r/seduction | 12/05/13 11:38 PM |
| 1 | From a woman's perspectiveI don't see a lot of that, I do see a lot of AFC's. If you can show a real world situation where a man follows a womens advice and as a result achieves better results in pickup I'm all for it. We have enough bad advice floating around here, we don't need more if it. I expect to see a unicorn first. Here is the specifically awful advice: 1) The approach : honestly the best pickup lines are the ones that aren't , so simple and natural, 'hello' is the best icebreaker! Then asking what they've been … | /r/seduction | 12/05/13 11:35 PM |
| 0 | From a woman's perspectiveI've picked up my share of women, to say that any of my experience would apply equally to picking up men is foolish at best. They are different 'creatures' with different habits, responses, feelings. To the extent that some things are broadly applicable, say 'don't be filthy' I think that's true but is silly to take it farther than that. Maybe there is a correlation in my success but that doesn't mean I have grasped clearly the cause and effect relationship of my behaviors and success. The point… | /r/seduction | 12/05/13 10:28 PM |
| 1 | From a woman's perspectiveIt's not a literal comparison, it's a metaphor. Pickup is inherently a 'predator and prey' relationship in the anthropological context (no other meaning implied). Asking the prey doesn't make sense because it assumes that they have a clear, rational and conscious understanding of what's happening and they don't. We are all guilty of reverse rationalization but women have especially strong affinity for that. All you are learning is how she has rationalized the reasons for various experiences posi… | /r/seduction | 12/05/13 10:24 PM |
| -2 | From a woman's perspectiveThere is little of use here. It's a bit callus but it's always right: "You don't ask the the deer for advice on how to shoot them". | /r/seduction | 12/05/13 09:11 PM |
| 5 | First time at a club. Never felt so shitty in my entire lifeUpvote for having balls, that is literally step one. The rest of the advice posted here seems on point. What's your grooming, were you dressed right to fit into the environment? [rhetorical] | /r/seduction | 11/05/13 10:25 PM |
| 1 | A Los Angeles Seduction Experiment, Seeking Interested PartiesGot some good pm's already, keep em coming. Anyone else have any feedback on this idea? | /r/seduction | 09/05/13 07:10 AM |
| 1 | Motorcycles. Try one.All true. Also lots of people need your nice healthy organs. Make sure you are an organ donor first! | /r/seduction | 09/05/13 06:45 AM |
| 0 | Alright seddit..... I need some feedback on what it takes to pull the 8's,9's and 10's....10's are by definition a different species and require a certain level of exaggeration regarding all your interactions. In most cases they have a wildly inflated ego and you need to not play into it at all. I see a 9 at a bar and I go talk to her. I see a 10 at a bar and I go up and I say something like "Wow you really now how to overdress for an occasion." You need to use just the right level of cocky/funny. Alternatively I use "You must be a model right, you're hands are incredible. They're on… | /r/seduction | 09/05/13 06:36 AM |
| 4 | This is one of my favorite pickups I've ever seen. I'm no expert in PUA, so what did he do right? wrong?You are way over-thinking it. Everything about this is right. Fun, light, funny, set a super strong anchor with the mom. She has to go out with him now or answer to mom. All he did was set up coffee but he did it in a total way that I bet date one is a bar. "Coffee right, that's innocent enough". beautiful. After watching this, I want to go for fucking coffee with this guy. There are a lot of similarities between opening and stand up comedy. There is no real chemistry yet, that's the point of th… | /r/seduction | 09/05/13 05:40 AM |
| 2 | Above The Game Part 6: Logistics (getting the number, texting, setting up dates, etc.)This is incredibly sound, success proven advice. This is the 80% of the equation. | /r/seduction | 07/05/13 12:59 AM |
| 2 | How to take full advantage of my career strength and money (X-POST from askseddit)I think this a great question and something I've dealt with myself. Unless you're taking private jet amount of money then not all that much is different. However your money gives you access and conveniences that you wouldn't otherwise have. 1) Personal trainer, you should be in really good shape. Not meathead but definitely peak physical condition. You can afford to have the trainer come to you and work within your busy schedule. 2) Clothes. High end brands that have been tailored to you. Go to … | /r/seduction | 01/05/13 07:54 PM |
| 1 | Hypnotic Seduction - How It's DoneI can't really offer any validation of the 'hypnosis' elements of this. However slowing your pacing is almost always a good idea and there is a lot of good material (dialogue) presented that is worth remembering. Some good examples of easily creating investment by her in the conversation early on (reword in your own voice as necessary). | /r/seduction | 13/03/13 06:30 AM |
| 1 | I blush and I believe it strongly interferes with approaching women, thus, worsening my AA.Not an issue at all unless you make it one. Use it. "Look at what you're doing to me" If you have to blow it off, "My great grandfather was asian, one drink and I'm a lobster". | /r/seduction | 12/03/13 07:57 AM |
| 1 | How to Get A Date in Day Game [with audio FRs]I just want to offer that these are some excellent examples of just how easy this all is and props to OP for putting it out there. Hard to tell from recorded audio but OP sounds kinds of nervous and I'm not a big fan of his opener because it just doesn't branch anywhere that fun or interesting. It's a really limp compliment. In spite of that he's obviously having success. In day game the magic words are "Don't panic. [smile] I'm not ..." . "I'm not selling anything", "I'm not trying to mug you",… | /r/seduction | 12/03/13 07:55 AM |
| 2 | Best place in the country to practice seduction?Dallas is very good. NYC you can also do really well but it's not really inexpensive. If you are in a position to pick I have to recommend los angeles, it's the show. Can be done on the cheap and the best mix of girls in the world. | /r/seduction | 12/03/13 07:46 AM |
| 1 | Being asian...A disadvantage?Not a disadvantage but more of a specialty. Consult the works of JT Tran (Asian Playboy) who has made a living but also demonstrated a lot of success on this specific issue. The shortness issue is normally the main thing so at 6' 2" I would say you have next to nothing to be concerned about. Demographically the only real hurdles are male heights under 5'7", black men who want to date asian women, and black women who want to date white men. | /r/seduction | 05/12/12 11:33 PM |
| 2 | Does Anyone Have The Fastseduction PUA Archives Downloaded?I completely disagree, I have yet to see anything in this subreddit that isn't just a bad rehash of what was already covered well back then. Also it seems a lot of very valuable material has been forgotten. I was out of the game going on 5 years and it seems like hardly anything has improved, overall things just seem to have gotten very commercialized and badly at that. If you know someone with decent technological skills they can show you to the archives, they are still out there, it's not very… | /r/seduction | 04/12/12 02:29 AM |
| 1 | After a couple of dates, she reports back to you "there is no chemistry,": Does that essentially mean 'sorry, you have no game'?I don't know if a couple of dates means two or more. "There is no chemistry", "There is chemistry", mean pretty specific things to women in my experience. In the case of "no chemistry", it is a reverse rationalization to explain why your interactions failed to live up to her expectations. Generally speaking it most often comes from a place where she expected things to escalate physical faster than they did. I don't agree it could be a million reasons, if it was something else she wouldn't have u… | /r/seduction | 03/12/12 06:32 AM |
| 1 | [FR] Proving a point: Sometimes it just doesn't matter what your opener is.Yes and no. That was actually a pretty good contextual opener. I would have made you try "It burns when I urinate". | /r/seduction | 02/12/12 08:47 PM |
| 13 | Have you ever done a PUA Bootcamp. Is it worth the money?There is absolutely nothing they can say or show that cannot be found more accessibly for $0 on this forum. They have a perverse incentive not to be too helpful because they will want even more of your money in the future. Finally pickup is just not that complicated, it isn't in need of a seminar to show anything. | /r/seduction | 02/12/12 08:43 PM |
| 13 | I use women as my only source of happiness. How do I end this cycle?It's the brain chemistry (New Relationship Energy), in a nutshell it's a high. If the pursuit of that high is causing actual negative consequences for you and you persist with it anyone you have an addiction. If that's not really true and what you describe is more a general malaise then unfortunately welcome to the human condition. By the way while I'm not totally unproductive without the pursuit of women, it supercharges me more than 10,000 cups of coffee in all aspects of my life. | /r/seduction | 02/12/12 12:41 AM |
| 1 | Met girl over Facebook, two days later we have a first date. She spends the night but I can't F-close..LMR?I think my main point came off a little clumsy but it's this, if you're doing well and performing competently then you should be the one primarily deciding if it's sex on this date or sex on a later date. I frequently don't have sex until the 3rd date by intention but that's not to say that most if not all of those girls would have sex on the 1st if that was how I wanted it to go down. | /r/seduction | 30/11/12 10:26 PM |
| 1 | It's Not Always You...Why You Shouldn't Take Rejection To Heart.Pretty much all of us who are very successful at this from Neil Strauss down, all agree on the adage "It's always [me]". You'd be wise to listen and understand why that is. | /r/seduction | 30/11/12 08:55 PM |
| 2 | Met girl over Facebook, two days later we have a first date. She spends the night but I can't F-close..LMR?While it's true that not every single girl has had a ONS and I personally am not even a fan of ONS. The concept of "Not every girl is going to be a same night girl, no matter how good you are." is largely false. If you inspire the correct emotions, if you create the scenario where "one thing leads to another" aside from women with fundamental principles (such as no sex before marriage based on religion) "every women is a same night girl". In my experience virtually every woman over 25 has had he… | /r/seduction | 30/11/12 08:06 PM |
| -4 | It's Not Always You...Why You Shouldn't Take Rejection To Heart.So you failed to calibrate and didn't really complete beyond the opener. I wouldn't say you were rejected but it was still you. It's always you. | /r/seduction | 30/11/12 08:01 PM |
| 4 | [FR] Field Report: Coffee shop daytime approach parlayed into insta-dateWhile on a certain level I would like to agree with your sentiment the reality is that say "hot or not" ratings are incredibly consistent. If you have men rate women with a sample size larger than 100 you see consistency towards 1/3 of 1 point. Follow OKC's data blog for more hard data if you like, they only use 1-5 but again see incredible consistency. Again not rating some mythical perception but on a scale of 1-10 how does the woman look right now. | /r/seduction | 30/11/12 05:19 AM |
| 2 | Top mistakes newbies makeWe don't have double blind studies that's true. We have specific detailed information that is tested and able to be reproduced in field reports across multiple men and settings times 10's, 100's and 1000's. For example flake prevent, "text you something naughty", "glad you like it", specific and universal grooming advice, openers, ways to create emotional investment, closers, how to work through LMR. That's the advice people new to pickup should be learning and following, not this BS. I say it a… | /r/seduction | 30/11/12 05:17 AM |
| 5 | [FR] Field Report: Coffee shop daytime approach parlayed into insta-dateSorry to nitpick around here it's become endemic. The HB system of rating has always been intended as a "presented appearance" measure and especially not what the girl is to you. Nothing to do with personality or things that make her attractive to you specifically. It's trying to be a somewhat objective measure. That said HB7 is still a pretty attractive lady. For example being smart, funny and an ivy leaguer has no positive or negative connotation to an HB rating. When a girl has no makeup, mus… | /r/seduction | 30/11/12 02:33 AM |
| 2 | Top mistakes newbies make"Don't eject so early" I could also say "Don't eject so late" or "Learn to eject at the right time" or really anything. It's a completely meaningless statement, if offers the reader nothing of values. There is no evidence whatsoever that this is a universal problem amongst "newbies". I have been working with many kinds of guys the past two months and of all there problems this is non-existant. "don't fluff so much" and "scared to escalate". Again absolutely nothing to base that this is in fact a… | /r/seduction | 30/11/12 02:30 AM |
| 2 | Top mistakes newbies makeTwo people saying I said too much, two saying I should elaborate. Interesting. I feel like I got my point across. What was provided are vague platitudes, try to follow them or even their opposites and it not going to do shit for your success. The things I quoted are ridiculous, they don't make logical sense on their face and offer nothing practical to a person trying to be successful with pick. The whole list is a pile of mean-nothing-hot-air, it can't be translated into any practical on the gro… | /r/seduction | 30/11/12 01:43 AM |
| 1 | Advice needed. Should I hire a "professional"?Number one, the type of girl you want will call herself an escort. Not a hooker or prostitute. You're not going to go get a girl off the street corner. This is a choice only you can make. I vehemently disagree with the other commenters who have offered you their opinions either for or against. I would treat the decision similar to that a physician might pose to you before plastic surgery. If you really feel like your lack of experience is a hindrance to your life and moving forward with your enj… | /r/seduction | 30/11/12 01:39 AM |
| 66 | [FR] Field Report: Coffee shop daytime approach parlayed into insta-dateI appreciate a good field report with practical information about what you did to be successful. I think it would have been helpful if you identified the region of the country, urban, suburban, the sticks, your approximate ages as well as her appearance (HB?) For those reading my comment I want to just break down what the OP did... Grooming: "look like the soulful, tortured author" . Totally appropriate to the context of a coffee shop. I'm guessing he still looked "well put together", no neck be… | /r/seduction | 30/11/12 01:33 AM |
| 8 | What is a glaring difference between a girl playing hard to get and a girl that is just not interested?The difference is jealousy. Women not interested at all will not demonstrate anything in regard to the attention you pay to other women. Women playing hard to get will and in fact jealousy is probably the best "strategy" to end their game playing. | /r/seduction | 28/11/12 07:49 PM |
| 27 | Top mistakes newbies makeThere is so much wrong here. I object to the term newbie for one. The rest seems to be vague platitudes mixed with actually bad advice. "In order to fuck beautiful women you should fuck a lot of less beautiful women". "DON'T EJECT UNTIL YOU KNOW IT'S OVER AND SHE TELLS YOU TO LEAVE." "The typical newbie: virgin or a guy with less than 30 lays who is extremely picky, entitled, and judges women too much. " Just terrible and without basis in fact. This is a ridiculous post and does not deserve atte… | /r/seduction | 28/11/12 07:47 PM |
| 1 | How can I use my natural talent in writing to increase attraction?I would say on the whole it doesn't really matter and in many ways may serve as a strike against you depending on the venue at lest until you are legitimately published or successfully self-published. The advice regarding the venues it opens for you is good, by all means go check them out and meet those people. If you are good at creating material for yourself then that's a help too. | /r/seduction | 28/11/12 02:48 AM |
| 0 | The most comprehensive lecture on Natural Game. Probably wont fly with many of you Sedditors, but for new guys I recommend that you watch it to learn something new.I would be really surprised if this works for anyone who is not an australian model. He is a 26 year old australian model and self-described natural. What works and why he thinks it works for him is not going to work for the average guy. Watch his pickups. The girls are fixated by the attractiveness of his face, he could be reading the instructions from a shampoo bottle and they wouldn't notice. He completely exaggerates and misunderstands that purpose of lines and material. Lines and material a… | /r/seduction | 28/11/12 02:43 AM |
| 32 | How do you deal with Alpha's who want to fight? [story inside]Best social marketing for a flashlight I've ever seen ;) | /r/seduction | 27/11/12 10:30 PM |
| 4 | Why You Should Resist Online DatingYou're 19, you've got youthful good looks, you're in college. There is nothing for online game to offer you. Focus on IRL game, you will never have a better context in the rest of your life than college. I mean that. Sometimes I want to renroll just to have another crack at that context. Every girl you see there is already in the same "tribe" as you, it's a goldmine. -Wiley. | /r/seduction | 27/11/12 07:34 PM |
| 2 | Everything you know about approach anxiety is wrong.Thanks for the well thought feedback. I think there is definitely a line between run of the mill anxiety and crippling medical condition panic-attack anxiety. If you're bordering into that second type then I'm sure I'm not the first to say that this forum is not the right place for you, there is other shit that needs to get worked out first in a different setting. I would say that a litmus test for that line is whether you experience the anxiety with anyone (male, female, potential mate, bus dri… | /r/seduction | 27/11/12 02:50 AM |
| 11 | Why You Should Resist Online DatingI don't know where you are but I'm in LA and there are ridiculous piles of 8/9/10s on OKC. This very second there are 57 girls within 25 miles of me who are online now, atheist or agnostic, under 5'7", age 27-33, who don't smoke, are single, have a picture and are rated 5 OKC stars which is pretty close to though not exactly HB8/9/10. Four of them say they enjoy anal. Yes, most girls very attractive women on there get 100-300 messages per month, and the fact is 99.9% of them are completely retar… | /r/seduction | 27/11/12 02:21 AM |
| 15 | My game has improved greatly in the past month and a half, but I'm still struggling with some things.What you explained sounds fine but I think that it wasn't really pickup at all. You became a more interesting person, that's always a good thing but has only a little to do with pickup. First make sure you're grooming is in order. Hair, facial hair, clothes, shoes, teeth, tan, etc are "well put together" and contextual to the venues you're picking up in. The biggest difference from what you were doing to what you want to be doing is intent. You're now going to be interacting with women with at l… | /r/seduction | 27/11/12 02:03 AM |
| 7 | Why You Should Resist Online DatingIt seems some guys potentially think online dating is a way to avoid the details of the approach. However to be successful online you need all of the skills of that and more because you're in written form without the ability to convey anything in body language and instead of competing with only a room full of guys you are competing with thousands of them. They get frustrated and just start spamming the shit out of every women on there with ridiculous cut and pastes. Then you need to be 100% cong… | /r/seduction | 27/11/12 01:24 AM |
| 8 | Why You Should Resist Online DatingI like and primarily use online dating. However I agree with this, it's the AP class of pickup. If you aren't any good IRL than you are going to be equally bad or worse online. It amplifies everything about your technique that sucks. | /r/seduction | 26/11/12 10:05 PM |
| 3 | Help for setting a date.You didn't give nearly enough details on you and your situation for anyone to offer credible advice. Maybe your grooming is bad, maybe your opener was bad, maybe your 21 and only asking out 45 year old cougars. | /r/seduction | 26/11/12 06:03 AM |
| 2 | Everything you know about approach anxiety is wrong.There are definitely guys out there running camps that create results. I'm not disputing that. But just like Maytag who builds a washer that lasts 10 years they have a lot of extra BS built in to "make sure you get your moneys worth". I'm not aware of one of them who is successful and legitimate in the US who isn't a direct member of the original project hollywood or a direct disciple of someone who was in project hollywood. That's pretty much the exact playbook I work from and I'm happy to shar… | /r/seduction | 26/11/12 05:56 AM |
| 1 | Everything you know about approach anxiety is wrong.Dating isn't an meeting of two equal participants. Now I'm not making some broad generalization about women here, just about the overarching model that occurs in dating/mating. It's by evolutionary design a predator/prey type of interaction. There's an analogy I like and it's perfect for PUA. If you want to learn to hunt deer do you ask a another successful hunter or do you ask the deer? If you have successful-at-getting-women-with-pickup men that are your friends by all means go out with them a… | /r/seduction | 26/11/12 01:03 AM |
| 1 | Everything you know about approach anxiety is wrong.What you describe would be akin to the unconscious competence I reference. It's a little bit like a "muscle memory" I suppose. | /r/seduction | 26/11/12 12:20 AM |
| 1 | How is life for singles in San Diego, California?What everyone finds attractive is different and everyone's welcome to their opinion. LA's a big place, in metro terms roughly 17 million to san diego's 3. In terms of neighborhoods I would say that santa monica, hollywood, west hollywood, the hills through to los feliz and silverlake are the attractive woman capital of the world. I've lived in san diego, san francisco, dallas, phoenix, nyc, and boston as well. I moved to LA primarily for the ladies. | /r/seduction | 25/11/12 11:59 PM |
| 2 | Everything you know about approach anxiety is wrong.My point here is that anxiety doesn't have to stem from anything. It's the perfectly natural human response to anticipating an uncertain event. You use a lot of touchy feely buzzwords that I don't particularly care for. Inner game, outer game, self trust. None of that shit matters. Anxiety is not stopping anyone from approaching girls -- well maybe if you have actual panic attacks. What's causing the hesitate is a lack of confidence. No one wants to enter an uncertain situation feeling unprepare… | /r/seduction | 25/11/12 11:50 PM |
| 2 | Everything you know about approach anxiety is wrong.In terms of fashion for the purpose of pickup the goal is simple. You don't need to be fashionable, you just need to not be unfashionable. /r/malefashionadvice is about a large hodgepodge of people attempting to be fashionable. It's got all sorts of issues with sample size. Essentially it's asking the question: What do a bunch of predominantly white, computer literate, website goers think is stylish? There is probably a place in this world were that question matters but it isn't here. Secondly t… | /r/seduction | 25/11/12 11:46 PM |
| 7 | Game On [Part 2]: An Amputee's Seduction Experiences and FailuresAwesome job man and thanks for the shout. I wanted to point out one particular line that I think you did perfectly and is worth others looking at and using: “I like your nose ring [name].” Her: “Thanks, you're the first person who told me that ...'” Me: “Haha, well, it doesn't work for everyone but it works for you.” By adding a name to the compliment it makes it much more sincere and also by complimenting something that she chose rather than an intrinsic quality it makes more of an impact. Fina… | /r/seduction | 25/11/12 11:06 PM |
| -1 | How is life for singles in San Diego, California?San Francisco is 700,000 people, in practical terms it's a very small city, it's a tiny peninsula. If you include the entire bay area it's 7.1 million people but that would be like lumping San Diego in with LA. Because of bridges, traffic and waterways travel times are deceptively long given the as the crow flies distance. You can't practically live in San Jose and nightly enjoy the San Francisco night life. San Diego is 1.3 million people but that count is very spread out. It feels like a city … | /r/seduction | 25/11/12 10:53 PM |
| 1 | How is life for singles in San Diego, California?San Diego predominantly skews young. Even if people are in there late twenties or early thirties like pretty much act like they're 22. Once people reach a certain maturity level, almost universally they leave to the outer suburbs or to another city entirely. Whoever is calling it hipstery has never been to Brooklyn. It's a beach town that's never grown up. The traffic isn't too bad but it's not a "big city" in terms of nightlife and things to do. If you like to eat it's a city with profoundly ba… | /r/seduction | 25/11/12 10:46 PM |
| 2 | I have a problem with BOIf you would describe the odor as having a fishy ness it isn't BO, you have a nutritional deficit of choline or possibly a genetic disorder. If you truly have BO that is persistent and is unaffected by bathing or washing you should see a doctor, there are several diseases that can cause that type of symptom. | /r/seduction | 24/11/12 09:08 PM |
| 1 | Game On [Part 1]: An Amputee's Seduction Experiences and FailuresAll sorts of places. Old pua forum data, which was pretty extensive. My own numbers over several hundred dates. OKC data blog, research studies. You can really just google it, dating is a very widely studied topic. Just be careful of shoddy methodologies. | /r/seduction | 24/11/12 01:22 AM |
| 4 | The defensive attitude women have when out is starting to wear so thin on me...It's always you. Double check you're grooming and fashion. That said you're the 20th guy to come up and say that to her in the last hour. Even if it's true it makes it sound very unauthentic and like a feeble attempt to get in her pants. If she's attractive odds are she knows she's attractive. Try complementing something she has control over or better yet use any of the hundreds of proven openers out there that don't focus on her looks at all. Lets say you see tony hawk doing tricks on a skatebo… | /r/seduction | 24/11/12 12:14 AM |
| 12 | Is this a good opener? From a semi-AFC/still total noob who happens to have had 100% success with it.It's not awful but it's very gimmicky and while it may open it doesn't really do much to setup the rest of the conversation. It also gives her an easy out to shut you down, "No", game over. I feel like it also takes away from your leadership status because you are deferring to your friend although no sane woman actually believes any of it. She thinks "Ok, this is different, he's a little funny, what's next". So in that sense it's an opener to another opener and it does nothing to get her talking… | /r/seduction | 24/11/12 12:09 AM |
| 6 | Getting blown off after the first or second date.Spark/magic/fireworks/chemistry are all the same thing meaning attraction. There are three things a woman needs to feel to find you suitable as a mating partner. She can have fun with you, you can protect her from harm and you can satisfy her sexually. What you are experiencing is reverse rationalization. These women went on the date, had on some level expectations about what the physical result would be (remember you got them out on the date, they were excited to go, etc) . Things did not go th… | /r/seduction | 21/11/12 10:23 PM |
| 25 | Game On [Part 1]: An Amputee's Seduction Experiences and FailuresOne thing that may or may not make a difference. Rather than self-deprecating jokes or even random stuff like shark attack which are not necessarily bad I kind of like the qualification angle for you. Turn the tables, you're the status quo and those with two legs are the outsiders to you're awesome confident one-legged world. From everything I see you easily have the confidence to pull it off. It's a really great false disqualifier which I think is important for you, gets something potentially u… | /r/seduction | 21/11/12 03:27 AM |
| 11 | Game On [Part 1]: An Amputee's Seduction Experiences and FailuresFor men "friend" is an awesome and powerful word. At the start of this interaction you're already saying, I'm evaluating you and maybe even putting you into the friendzone. She's put in a position where you beat her to the punch, she can't put you in the friendzone if you already put her there. In my experience while maybe a little counter intuitive it has the opposite effect of what you fear. Again something that comes straight from project hollywood, don't beat it to death but at the outset of… | /r/seduction | 21/11/12 03:13 AM |
| 40 | Game On [Part 1]: An Amputee's Seduction Experiences and FailuresLet me just say this is the best post I've seen in this sub in a long time. Fucking props to you man. Also I think you are pretty close to the finish line. Maybe it's just me and my twisted sense of humor but I hope you make jokes about your missing leg, turn that to an advantage. "Disarm" people of their uncomfortability. Re: Scenario #1. I think a couple things. Statistically blacks and asians are a tough dating mix, one of few groups where a lot of societal prejudice remains though out americ… | /r/seduction | 21/11/12 12:09 AM |
| 2 | A girl walks up to you in a bar, and tells you you're cute. What's your response?I don't know what else to tell you except that I've had this happen several times and I've used that exact response and it was successful. I guess it's hard to read the tone, it's not something I say with a deadpan. I say it in a laughing and joking way. Here is another follow on I've actually used in that situation. So after that part I said "You're hot too, I bet you could be a part-time model". "Part-time model" is from those new zealand comedy guys but it's a line that works just great if yo… | /r/seduction | 20/11/12 11:48 PM |
| 3 | RANT: A brief history of PUAFirst thanks for disagreeing in a thoughtful way. The Game was just a great book, it's entertaining as fuck but I would agree with anyone who said it isn't a good guide for learning anything other than that PUA exists and is a thing. Project Hollywood was the exact opposite of a frat house, that's the whole point of my post. Underneath what looked like a frat house was a "scientific" process that dramatically changed the game. Frat houses are really pre-selecting naturals. Project Hollywood was … | /r/seduction | 20/11/12 11:40 PM |
| 4 | To those of you who got good at this, did you dive in head first and let seduction consume you, or did you gradually improve over a long period of time?I think this is a good question and deserved a little background and some detail so I ran with it. I had a very busy full time job at the time but I was dedicated. It's also not to say that I was starting from zero. I did not have a hard time talking to people, even women. I just didn't know how dates and dating were supposed to work. I played sports in high school and was very popular though when I was much younger I was a major nerd. So in high school all the women I was with virtually threw t… | /r/seduction | 20/11/12 11:39 PM |
| 3 | A girl walks up to you in a bar, and tells you you're cute. What's your response?Accept and amplify. "Cute, ha I'm a butt|hand|etc model. Glad you like it". | /r/seduction | 20/11/12 10:34 PM |
| 2 | What if you're not interested in casual sex?What is casual sex exactly? I don't often have ONS and don't usually care too. That being said if I haven't slept with a girl by the 3rd/4th date I moving on. For the two girls consistent girls I'm dating give or take weekly now, does it seem casual? Not at all, it's incredibly intimate. That said we're still in the dating phase, they know I'm dating other people, they're free to, we're not in committed relationships. If I can find another cool girl I'll bring her into the mix. I would call it t… | /r/seduction | 20/11/12 10:32 PM |
| 3 | RANT: A brief history of PUAI sort of dislike subreddits that keep adding layers of rules and regulations, it's a lot of work for everyone involved and I think adds only a minimum of benefit. I think if we all work a bit to set a tone we can qualify out those participants that are unproductive and attract those participants that are high quality. Hope you see what I did there. I think if we iron out some very bare essentials to appear in FR's, streamline the sidebar, that would be some good bang for the buck. Maybe try and… | /r/seduction | 20/11/12 09:07 PM |
| 7 | What are some ways I can tell how sexually adventurous a girl will be?This is definitely my area of expertise. First off most all women are probably more adventurous and open than you would expect. Women are pretty much as deviant and debaucherous as men. Tattoos and piercings aren't necessarily solid indicators, they are very contextual. Pierced clit and nipples, its on. Pierced ears and nose, not telling you much. Tatoos same thing, pussy tattoo, yes she's game for anything. Shoulder sleeve, not telling you much. They do call lower back tatoos tramp stamps for a… | /r/seduction | 20/11/12 04:43 AM |
| 2 | RANT: A brief history of PUAThat's sort of my point "a lot of PUA things are bullshit", I agree except that they aren't really PUA things, they're somebody trying to sell something. If you are doing it right the key concepts here work, they work like you wouldn't fucking believe. PUA is like I said in the post incredibly simple, you groom yourself, you talk to a girl and say certain things (not necessarily routines), she says and acts certain ways, you enter a feedback loop of that and you escalate physically. Eventually (… | /r/seduction | 20/11/12 04:33 AM |
| 7 | RANT: A brief history of PUAI've used it literally more than 400 times, never had a flake (no show/no call or same day illegitimate excuse). Is this phone, text, in person? What are the other parameters? You literally have women saying "No I'm not a flake" and then flaking? Getting flaked on is an absolute sure sign you're doing something wrong. | /r/seduction | 20/11/12 04:29 AM |
| 1 | Anyone else find that meeting girls around the holidays extra difficult?I have to disagree. Women get particularly lonely at the holidays and while you need to be tactful and in come cases scheduling can be tricky my experience is that on the whole it ups the buying temperature of every single lady out there. What woman wants to spend the holidays without someone? Use that to your advantage. OP you sound like you've forgotten, your not chasing them, their chasing you. Attractive intelligent well put together men are the scare resource, pretty ladies, I seriously can… | /r/seduction | 20/11/12 04:26 AM |
| 5 | To those of you who got good at this, did you dive in head first and let seduction consume you, or did you gradually improve over a long period of time?It took me a little over three months from when I read the game to where I was consistently going from opener to f-close's. I had been on pickupforum before that in a non-serious way. It was really gradually then suddenly because there were a couple things I was doing wrong and once I figured those out it all came together very quickly. Having just re-watched Style's "Annihilation Method" which was kindly uploaded to youtube I would strongly recommend that again. In two days he has a pretty motl… | /r/seduction | 19/11/12 10:16 PM |
| 3 | I'm Asian and find non-Asian women intimidating. Asian sedditors, how did you over come this?Disclaimer: I'm a white guy but this seems to be a thing that has had some specialized attention put on it. JT Tran (Asian Playboy) specifically focused on it and his material seems to be popular and successful among asian men. | /r/seduction | 18/11/12 11:53 PM |
| 1 | [FR] From "Pass The Oregano" To Hookup In Less Than 20 Minutes... With Major ASDhow are are you roughly, how old were the girls? | /r/seduction | 18/11/12 12:23 AM |
| 1 | [FR] "The IKEA Date" as requested. OKC Day2 with vanilla girl, quick recap on date #1I think it varies by IKEA and time of year a lot. This case was a wednesday starting just before 6. My opinion is that tue/wed early like that would be the slowest but check your own logistics at the IKEA near you. | /r/seduction | 17/11/12 11:44 PM |
| 2 | Request: Guide to body hairI think age is a major factor. I'm early thirties and definitely at the hairy end of the spectrum but keep my pubic hair pretty neat and trimmed, otherwise no shaving. Girls really seem to like my chest hair and arm hair. If I had back hair I'd get that taken care of. However I've noticed that early twenties women seem not to like hairiness at all and most of the guys I know in that range shave a fuck of a lot more areas than I ever thought possible. Not sure if it's right but just an observatio… | /r/seduction | 17/11/12 11:42 PM |
| 6 | Why is it that most people have such a negative view of this subreddit?I think it's really very simple and there are just two main factors. 1) Making a broad generalization, women believe they have a rational understanding of what they are attracted when in fact they do not. Having this pointed out and proved is very uncomfortable for them. 2) Everyone, man or woman, is thrilled by having a great encounter with a stranger who is charismatic, fun, brightens their day. Having said that pretty much none of those same people want to see how "the sausage gets made". The… | /r/seduction | 16/11/12 08:37 PM |
| 25 | Looks Don't MatterYou seriously don't know what you're talking about and I'm not selling anything. You admittedly have had only one view of one place in two small markets and you're assessing something which a bartender at best has limited visibility on. Did a particular guy get laid or not? You would be amazed at how many of those 6' tall attractive white guys leave with a girl but never get her into bed. Statistically with regard to dating there is one type of person that is absolutely driven by appearance, coi… | /r/seduction | 16/11/12 02:12 AM |
| 1 | [fr] First meetup - coffee - salsa dance class - makeout at my place - EX CONVICT??Just a general question, not judging at all. What exactly would qualify a girl out for you if anything. You say this girl is not that attractive or at least not as attractive as you remembered and she is literally a convicted criminal, why not bail and move on to the next? Then you say not much chemistry but there is attraction, I'm confused. Second I don't understand the issue with the "seduction alarm". You were trying to seduce her and she was there and wanted to be seduced based on all the o… | /r/seduction | 15/11/12 10:16 PM |
| 1 | [fr] First meetup - coffee - salsa dance class - makeout at my place - EX CONVICT??I don't think it's a myth, I thinks is a general rule of thumb. Certainly there are exceptions, if someone is communicating DTF signals at the outset then certainly it doesn't apply. However in my experience with the exception of the DTF girls and I keep pretty good records, 6-7 hours of combined time (even if over multiple dates) is the minimum. Can sometimes be longer but very, very rarely is it shorter. In other words there is not much in between, the DTF girls is essentially ASAP, but otherw… | /r/seduction | 15/11/12 10:08 PM |
| 6 | [FR] - Wednesday Night with ChazzingtonWhy is this getting downvoted? This is an excellent FR. Explain yourselves. | /r/seduction | 15/11/12 08:55 PM |
| 8 | [FR] "The IKEA Date" as requested. OKC Day2 with vanilla girl, quick recap on date #1[continued from post] I actually find the day2 physical intro more difficult than the first date. I go in for the hug and move to a quick kiss which was almost perfunctory. I compliment her on her heels and tease "Glad you wore those, otherwise you'd be too short to get on the rides". She says "There are no rides in IKEA silly". I say "You'll see". In general I like to treat all public outings as though it is travel to some kind of theme park. I also fucking love disneyland which is also an awes… | /r/seduction | 15/11/12 10:14 AM |
| 2 | [FR] My first #-close followed by date - early successExcellent work. A cold approach to a federal employee on the job literally behind bullet proof glass is about as tough as it gets. I don't think you did anything wrong, depending on timing maybe you came off a little too eager but if she's into you she will followup and if she's not move on. Now you know just how easy it is. Just my opinion but I wouldn't worry about the second encounter until after the first. They need to be chasing you a little or a lot at that point and you definitely don't w… | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 10:23 PM |
| 1 | [FR] Date, no escalationFirst dates are really just about two things, evaluation and escalation. To some extent they're almost a factory process. Anywhere outdoors is pretty good but unlike when I was your age there are pretty goddamn serious consequences for being underage with alcohol these days and you definitely don't want to drink a drop and be driving anywhere underage or you can kiss the rest of your opportunities in life goodbye. Later dates are all about creativity but first dates you're better off with someth… | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 10:10 PM |
| 1 | Quick tip for restaurant datesSee: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/131k7t/fr_date_no_escalation/c71fays | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 09:51 PM |
| 1 | [FR] Date, no escalationIf you're over 18 that's a different than if you're under 18. Under 18 is something I don't think this forum is really appropriate for but there is a long history of under 18 dates, walk around town, parents basement, hang at the mall, under age nights at a variety of places. I think a dinner date first date is even worse for under 18, it's just not contextual. Over 18 but < 21. House parties, hanging out at peoples houses/apartments. Also get an apartment or get to college as soon as you possib… | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 09:40 PM |
| 0 | [FR] Date, no escalationI'm genuinely interested in more information about precisely what type of woman you mean by "quality women" that you think are put off by going to a bar? | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 09:29 PM |
| 0 | [FR] Date, no escalationDepends. First I'm doing all kinds of things to qualify out girls only interested in a free drink or gold digging (I date online mostly now). In person primarily you do that by showing you're not supplicating to them and by generally being confident and self-assured. That line I use "...in the first 5 minutes..." also serve that purpose as well. Let's them know that if they suck you're gone in 5 minutes. If I meet a girl at a bar I'm gonna trade rounds and what not. If it's a date that I asked a… | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 09:26 PM |
| 5 | Quick tip for restaurant datesSee: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/131k7t/fr_date_no_escalation/c7112p9 | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 02:37 AM |
| 8 | [FR] Date, no escalationEdited: Original done from my phone, lots of typos. I would say the bar is the absolute default first date location because if you are entering into this in the right frame it's purpose meshes with yours exactly. If the cafe serves booze and has at least bar style seating (side by side) it's a bar in my book. If you want to do something else you better have a really damn good reason for it that overrides these 10 reasons first dates are best left to bars: 1) Your time is valuable and you are eva… | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 02:37 AM |
| 15 | Quick tip for restaurant datesWhy do a restaurant date for a first date at all? If you're still qualifying a girl that's a pretty big commitment and this is coming from someone who's a big eater. | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 12:31 AM |
| 2 | How long should I wait to ask a girl out after a flake? Should I avoid texting her for a while?yes | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 12:27 AM |
| 6 | How long should I wait to ask a girl out after a flake? Should I avoid texting her for a while?As the originator of that particular line I only use it prior to a new date. If a girl ever no showed/no called me (flaked) they're done as far as I'm concerned but it never happens. | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 12:27 AM |
| 5 | How long should I wait to ask a girl out after a flake? Should I avoid texting her for a while?What do the women say when you ask if they are a flake? Is this in text, in person or on a call? They literally say "No I'm not a flake" in a serious tone of voice and still flake on you? What kind of dates are you setting up? | /r/seduction | 14/11/12 12:26 AM |
| 2 | [FR] Date, no escalationIt sounds like you did great except: Logistics! You took what could certainly have been a k-close but turned it into probable LJBF by not controlling the logistics. Unless there is some magnificent reason not to, first dates are always drinks at a bar. Use bar mini-dates if you want or find a place you like the logistics of and settle in. Mind you I don't mean that there needs to be a lot of hard drinking at all. There are millions of kinds of bars, probably even a bar that is also an art galler… | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 09:50 PM |
| 7 | When is the best time to call after getting a number?You definitely need to have something to invite her to do and it's best that that thing is not more than 3-4 days in the future. Let that determine when you call her. The specific time of the call is much more important, you really want to get a pickup instead of VM. I find that trying to use commute times and a little bit later than is normally OK works best. I might try 5:20 if I know she is off work at 5 or I might do 10:15 pm. Fri/Sat nights are obviously not good times to call. I will not u… | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 09:09 PM |
| 19 | How long should I wait to ask a girl out after a flake? Should I avoid texting her for a while?1 avoid this situation from ever happening again by searching this forum for "Flake Preventer". 2 Understand you don't know shit about whether she actually likes you from one comment and some BS 3rd party call that's barely an IOI. Have a life or pretend you do, ask her to join you on an upcoming off-day night (M-T). | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 09:02 PM |
| 7 | What are the easiest tricks of PUA that give the best returns?The two things I can think of that payoff the most with the least amount of effort. 1) "Glad you like it" or "I'm glad you like it" which is a proven response to any sort of challenging accusation or large compliment. "You're sooo cocky". "Glad you like it". "You're really hot". "Glad you like it" and so on. There was another thread on what to say if you're called a player and I think there were some better things overall there but this works too. "You're such a player". "Glad you like it". Supe… | /r/seduction | 13/11/12 08:58 PM |
| 1 | Any PUAs in Dallas? If so, how is the social scene there? Any pointers I should know?Chain restaurants/bars like, TGI Fridays, Chili's, Grimaldi's, Cheescake factory, etc. There are very few cool independent/original venus or neighborhoods in dallas especially for someone your age. They're a few more cool places in fort worth. I would focus on being as outwardly "manly" as you can be or at least that was what the girls I was after were looking for. Not flannel shirt kind of thing but just keep it simple with the clothes, don't over style you're hair. I'm not so into sports but f… | /r/seduction | 12/11/12 12:08 AM |
| 1 | On first meeting, a lot of people think I'm gay. What the hell?When I think beard I think "into the wild" so if you mean very precisely trimmed facial hair then that may be your problem. I live near west hollywood and I don't ever see a gay guy with a beard (well not that kind) but there are some with precisely trimmed facial hair. If you have a real beard then it's got to be your voice or some particular mannerism/affect that is completely blatant. Go talk to gay guys, ask them and what made them think that you are if they do. My experience is that they're… | /r/seduction | 11/11/12 11:35 PM |
| 1 | Any PUAs in Dallas? If so, how is the social scene there? Any pointers I should know?I was in my mid-twenties and I don't think I've ever had easier pickup than in Dallas. Unfortunately you're going to have to learn to like chain places which I fucking hate but I dealt with it. I'm atheist so I steered clear of the really religious as best I could though that came up a few times and I tried to never ever talk religion. I love the girly-girls and even compared with LA that place was disneyland in that regard. I was distinctly non-texan which seemed to be a point of great attracti… | /r/seduction | 11/11/12 11:16 PM |
| 1 | On first meeting, a lot of people think I'm gay. What the hell?I dress nicely a lot but one thing I notice that is different between myself and the gay fellows, my nails look like shit. I do all kinds of things that tear up my nails and hands and I generally don't give a shit. I don't have grease under them or anything but they make it pretty clear I don't get manicures. Also if you are shaving body hair that most men don't you may consider stopping that. Shaved chests give off a pretty strongly gay vibe. | /r/seduction | 11/11/12 11:08 PM |
| 1 | Dealing with bad breathClean your mouth well. Some of the advice here I don't agree with. Brush, floss. I don't recommend using mouthwash or other extreme things like hydrogen peroxide except rarely. These have the effect of killing all the benign as well as bad bacteria. What you want is a lot of the benign bacteria which keeps things neutral. If you kill them twice a day you get a lot of variability that can lead to blooms of bad bacteria. I vastly prefer the hard mints from whole foods or trader joes which are simi… | /r/seduction | 10/11/12 12:15 AM |
| 1 | Need help filtering out the smart women.A couple years back I would have agreed but since I got on OKC recently I wouldn't. Maybe the city you're in but here in LA there are just a ton of beautiful and downright hot gals who are intelligent -- as in ivy league or entrepreneurial -- with pretty normal mainstream interests and free of wacky piercings. Not sure what's hipster about voltaire though, french lit is pretty academic. | /r/seduction | 07/11/12 07:35 AM |
| 2 | ITT: Men taking dating advice from women - why it's not a good thingBring out the deer hunting analogy. Instead of asking a grizzled veteran deer hunter about the best way to track and hunt instead walk up to a fawn and start asking it questions about the best way to hunt it and it's sisters. | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 10:30 PM |
| 2 | Negs only work if you're funny.The other vitally important thing is that you only want to neg about THINGS THAT CAN BE CHANGED. If you neg about something that is an immutable feature of someone, there is no light-hearted way to take that. It isn't their choice they ended up with that nose, there's not really anything they can do about it now. They might pass it off as a joke but you can seriously fuckup a girl with that shit. There is a difference between teasing and negging. A neg in my opinion is a specific type of tease w… | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 10:27 PM |
| 2 | Need help filtering out the smart women.I don't necessarily think that IQ as a whole is a good correlation with what I mean by intelligent but what you said isn't correct at all. Their are incredibly few women with 115+ IQs in a bar on a given night. The stats for that are 1 woman in 22 in the general population at large. Now extrapolate that to a bar setting and cross it with woman who have some sense of style and attractiveness and that you might be attracted to. You are talking about a very, very small demographic. In a bar of 100 … | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 08:28 PM |
| 8 | Need help filtering out the smart women.You're in a perfect situation to go online. Intelligence is my #1 qualifier and the quality of women I'm meeting on OKC is incredible. It's just way too much leg work filtering that out in night game for me. The statistics prove out that their just aren't that many smart women out on a given night. Day game you can be more selective in your places but it still tough, theirs only so much time you can spend sarging whole foods and other high end spots. If you want so more detail PM me. | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 08:09 AM |
| 3 | Having trouble getting to/through A3 (Mystery Method).Use the flake preventer, I guarantee it either causes them to bail right then or they show up: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/12fs7f/tested_100_success_rate_quite_possibly_the_best/ | /r/seduction | 06/11/12 08:02 AM |
| -1 | Best tips for girls?A lot of the advice I'm seeing in comments here seems too generic. Here are some specifics that I've field tested with females I know. Rule #1: As women the sooner you understand that you have little if any rational understanding of what you're actually attracted to the better off you are. Woman are much more emotional than men, I don't think many dispute this, consequently whatever lists of qualities and 'types' women think of themselves as being attracted to are inherently wrong. Most women's … | /r/seduction | 05/11/12 04:53 AM |
| 1 | [FR] OKC Date #4, HB10, payphone-close in four parts. Part 4.Haven't fucked her yet. I posted a panties pic as proof on the last FR in the comments. A few folks saw it but I took it down because I got a little too carried away. After violentacrez I think it's just too risky to put anything out there that can tie to a reddit account to real life. I'm having a great time dating again and I enjoy sharing it but it's not worth risking real life consequences over. | /r/seduction | 03/11/12 10:18 PM |
| 1 | [FR] OKC Date #4, HB10, payphone-close in four parts. Part 4.I am helping some folks with OKC over PM. If you want send me a link to your profile. My requirement though is that you already have some skills IRL with respect to closing #'s, turning #'s into dates and turning dates into closes. Online is not and should not be a crutch to avoid AA and such, though problems will ultimately just follow you online. | /r/seduction | 03/11/12 10:14 PM |
| 3 | Women do not actually know why they find you attractiveThis X10,000. Should be first lesson for any PUA. I also love how there will be women who post on this thread insisting they know exactly what they are attracted to. Learn about reverse rationalization. | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 08:33 PM |
| 2 | What sorts of traits do you desire in a woman, and how do you qualify and screen for them?For me starts with super smart, without that I'm not interested at all. Next style and fashion, I'm very well put together, they need to be too, need to know how to walk in heels. Third is body and overall attractiveness, I tend to like dark hair and anything unique. Could be odd color eyes, freckles. Dated a girl who had a small streak of white in her hair genetically, I found it fucking hot, she hated it. Finally they need to be cool with getting kinky/crazy in the bedroom. You should just loo… | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 08:24 PM |
| 1 | Waiting for a date in a bar, how to stay in frame?Get comfortable with the places you go on your own time. Go their alone. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a confident guy at a bar alone. One of the most enjoyable ways I spend time is going to bars alone to check out the scene, not generally pick people up (unless there is just someone too good to pass up) and make friends with the staff. Especially if you go at slower times/days you can really make the shift of the people that work there just by keeping it interesting, funny and light. G… | /r/seduction | 02/11/12 07:15 AM |
| 1 | The friendzoneThere are dozens of studies covering all kinds of conceivable methodologies. How about this more recent one. Same girls, same places, with blonde hair the same women received 30% more approaches than with brunette or red hair. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9450.2011.00911.x/abstract There was also something in the OKC data blog ages ago that female blonde hair showing profile pics are clicked on 40% more than others. Nobody has to like it but the data is conclusive. | /r/seduction | 01/11/12 07:13 PM |
| 1 | [FR] OKC Date #4, HB10, payphone-close in four parts. Part 2.Sub limits text posts to 10,000 characters, otherwise I would have just posted the whole thing. If I do the overflow in the comments the parts get out of order. | /r/seduction | 01/11/12 07:03 PM |
| 55 | Tested. 100% Success Rate. Quite possibly the best "Flake Preventer" text ever.I did create that particular line and have used it hundreds of times over years both on the phone, in person and in text. I can't take all the credit, the general flake qualifier goes back to Dave M if not someone else in project hollywood. There is nothing insecure about this line. It is true, you're time is valuable and you aren't willing to tolerate flaky people, period. If someone self describes as a flaky person, BAM, we're done right now and have a nice life. There is very strong field tes… | /r/seduction | 01/11/12 08:08 AM |
| 1 | The friendzoneNumber one thing girls can do is change their appearance. I'm not saying go slutty at all. Just look really well put together for whatever your style is, a couple of touches of sexy like skirts or a good hint of cleavage or heels if you can walk in them. Learn how to do your makeup properly, even if you're still going for a natural look. Ladies never like to hear this (I even personally prefer brunettes) but try going strongly blonde for a month and see what changes. In terms of research and sta… | /r/seduction | 01/11/12 12:41 AM |
| 1 | [FR] OKC Date #4, HB10, payphone-close in four parts.It's all a progression, not just the emails. You have to have well shot pics, then a non AFC profile, then the emails. The emails DO NOTHING without those other things. Outbound emails are about 30% template, 70% original content. Length is usually not more than 100 or 120 words including everything. I typically write one in under 5 minutes. Girls with crappy profiles are much harder/longer to do so skip them. The goals of the first email are to make her laugh, challenge her if she's hot and be … | /r/seduction | 31/10/12 08:22 PM |
| 1 | Got a first message on a dating site from a 19 year old girl. Advice please?Well I would say that already you're done. You haven't number closed yet and it's gone far too long in email. You should have asked for her number in reply to her first message. This is already headed towards nothing. My read, she's just bored and playing with you to pass the time. If you absolutely feel the need to continue just ask for her number straight up. She either gives it or not. You are already starting to qualify yourself to a 19 year old, stop. On the call you need to have her qualif… | /r/seduction | 31/10/12 07:27 AM |
| 9 | As a long time AFC, how do you permanently remove the "out of my league" mentality you experience when you see a very gorgeous girl?Do not try to date out of your league — that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth: there is no such thing as a league. Or if you really want leagues, there just PUA and AFC, you're already on the right team. Seriously, what you look like, you're raw "hottness" or lack thereof as a man is at best 10% of what makes a woman attracted to you or not. Follow my recent FR with a 10. Never at any point did I think to myself, I don't deserve this girl or I'm in someway inadequate to talk/… | /r/seduction | 31/10/12 07:17 AM |
| 6 | Tonight I chocked...Ahh... I think you mean choked. Chocked is that past tense of what happens what a girl chokes on your cock. | /r/seduction | 26/10/12 08:43 PM |
| 1 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenLooking at this I wouldn't say it's bad general advice but I couldn't recommend anyone spend money on it. Seems very generic. | /r/seduction | 25/10/12 10:38 PM |
| 1 | Help! Any tips on how to handle dating / sleeping with multiple women?What are specific things in terms of physicality and emotional interaction that you DO do and that you DON'T do with these multiple women. Physically I'm a pretty affectionate guy and I definitely just on some level seem to make girls feel like "they're the only one in the world" when I'm with them. Which seems to always make it complicated even when I say things like I'm not looking for something serious and we can both date/are dating other people. Really interested in specifics. You always gr… | /r/seduction | 24/10/12 08:22 PM |
| 2 | [FR] - Don't act threatened by other men. #-close and near k-closeI would call this a good example of outcome independence. When people say that, this is what they mean. Be alpha but go with the flow, have fun, the dividends of your positivity will be returned to you. | /r/seduction | 24/10/12 06:55 AM |
| 2 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenMostly what I was referring to was my offer to help people on OKC. There is not one magic bullet. It's really the same as some AFC being like, help me get girls. You can't just give them a list of pickup lines and send them on their way. There are skills that need to be developed. I've posted some general tips about photos, questions, recon profiles. You never want more than 3 total emails with a girl, 95% of the time it's just two. You open well, she replies, you reply, she replies with her num… | /r/seduction | 24/10/12 06:41 AM |
| 2 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenYears ago I was in dallas with match.com and that was candy land too. Those girls were not kinky very much but really forward, aggressive. | /r/seduction | 24/10/12 06:27 AM |
| 6 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenFor me there is a huge aesthetic element to it and a touch of sadism. I like a girl that's willing to hurt a little to look pretty. That's just me. On the empirical side there is a strong correlation between what shoes a girl is wearing and her buying temperature. Girl puts on 5 inch heels for your date odds are you already doing something very right. She is suffering to look good for you. Physically almost anyone can tell you that high heels make them feel sexy, that's pretty much the point, th… | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 09:51 PM |
| 2 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenAfter violentacrez I'm not doing anything which has the slightest possibility of tying my reddit to anything IRL. However in a recent post I offered to help a couple folks out on OKC and prove it's reproducible and that stands. That's the only proof I can offer. PM me. Also here's a pic of the panties, never left my back pocket. Now that's bragging. [removed] Ok, got carried away, sorry but deleting the link. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 09:38 PM |
| 2 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenEveryone's is going to need to be a little different. You need to be funny, a little provocative and not say anything which doesn't offer you an upside. That's the man lesson I can offer in online in general. Don't answer a questions which doesn't give you upside, don't write a sentence that doesn't give you upside. It's a lot like in-person game, very easy to say the wrong thing. Online game you just don't have any margin, pretty much impossible to recover. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 09:04 PM |
| 2 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenSee my post history for more detail. I'm 7.5 at best, in good shape now but losing my hair. Seriously looks are just not that important. Quality of your photos, the actual lighting, framing, photography IS super important at least for one or two. They still need to very much look like you though, they need to be congruous. I offered in my other message to help a couple people out directly to prove this is reproducible so PM me if you are interested. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 09:02 PM |
| 1 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenIt's a lot like marketing/advertising. You try something, assess the results, adjust it. You do not just spam everyone with a template. You want to be getting at least 10% #-close or you're doing something really wrong. After tweaking you should be able to get to 20,30,40% number close. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 09:00 PM |
| 2 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenI'm early thirties but I don't think this is true. There are a LOT of young women on there. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 08:58 PM |
| 2 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenPlease don't, not really appropriate material for their I don't think. No upside to it. That's a key lesson in online, don't write or say thing for which you don't have an upside. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 08:57 PM |
| 2 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenYes, users rate each other on personality and appearance (mostly appearance). You have to pay to filter by star rating. Come on though, it's like $10 or $15 per month. That's one drink at a classy place. Pay on a separate recon account though so you can control when you appear logged in on your real one. I don't think you can see it directly on an individual one at a time. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 08:57 PM |
| 1 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenGenerally I would say you need to be in a top 5 or maybe top 10 city for online to really be worth it. That was true with match.com anyway, you may have a little better luck with OKC because is does have so many girls on there. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 08:55 PM |
| -3 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenFR isn't about the secrets of online dating. See my post history, I'm willing to share some stuff with a few folks to prove what I do is reproducible (the getting dates part anyway). | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 08:53 PM |
| 1 | [FR] OKC Date #1, F-close. Already knee deep in OKC womenSee my post history because I did just put some other tips on that out there. Online is a completely different set of skills. I owe most of what I do to what I learned from Dave M who was a guy in project hollywood and really figured out online dating. As all the PUA stuff is to an AFC, there is a whole other set of skills needed to give to an OAFC (online average frustrated chump). I put in my other recent post, I'm will help a couple of people out directly if they want. That's the best proof I… | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 08:52 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Wild night. Tag team, and how far just being bold and escalating can get you.I get a lot of questions about why I do what I do but this is the reverse. Seriously what fun is it fucking some girl with from your description pretty low self esteem and not a lot else going on in her life and then trading her with your buddy? I'm not judging here but I just don't get it. Did this girl actually bring anything positive into your life other than some easy pussy? I like fucking as much as anybody but if I can't be challenged intellectually or titillated (pardon the pun) in some k… | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 02:46 AM |
| 3 | [FR-kinda] Madeout with an older woman yesterday.Please don't call a 27 year old an "older woman" to her face, she'll go suicidal. | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 02:41 AM |
| 2 | Dealing with anxiety, taking small steps to lead up to approaches?Everybody gets anxious sometimes. However you used one keyword that stands out to me, you said it can take months to recoup. There are 4 key clinical elements to actual medical Social Anxiety Disorder: You have significant and persistent fear of social or performance situations in which embarrassment, rejection, or scrutiny are possible. You almost always experience the physical symptoms of anxiety when in the feared social situation(s). You recognize that the fear is unreasonable but are unable… | /r/seduction | 23/10/12 02:34 AM |
| 2 | [FR] OKC F-Close and OKC strategy, theory, ideas.I'm not seeing the hard stats here. How many messages out to how many #'s/meetups. Otherwise you all are just blowing hot air. Also need to include the stats on the girls, OKC 3's, 4's, 5's? How many from "replies very selectively", so on. My hard stats from the past week are in a post in my history from today I think. | /r/seduction | 22/10/12 06:52 AM |
| 2 | [FR] Good weekend with every type of closeHave to second the hard core makes on the street. I wish I could pinpoint exactly what makes that work so well but it really does. You can do an alley or around a corner or whatever but I like to do it right in the middle just out there. If you are doing it right and people are around they will hoot and yell. | /r/seduction | 22/10/12 06:14 AM |
| 1 | What is a good direct opening line?There is no more fundamental proof than this guys. It does not matter what you look like, here is a guy 20-30 lb overweight, wearing a bad t-shirt and cargo shorts with what looks like a bird on his head and he picks up a 19 year old model cold as she is walking down the street. Not really any material, just straightforward, flattering even, and bam. Maxormis, post this as a separate link, it really deserves attention. | /r/seduction | 22/10/12 05:33 AM |
| 2 | [FR] First time out, lots of room for improvement.That's a fucking great analogy. Exactly like that. You know it inside and out so even if their are a few unexpected twists and turns it's no big deal, may even make it better. | /r/seduction | 22/10/12 05:21 AM |
| 2 | [FR] First time out, lots of room for improvement.I think I'm just old but what is "she smoked me out" a euphemism for a blow job or you smoked a bowl? There is this idea of "competent confidence". It is a result of practice. When you say "I'm still a bit stuck in the straightforward answer mode during small talk." it sure sounds like you are on the right track and keeping doing (acknowledging then adjusting) what you're doing will let that iron itself out. | /r/seduction | 21/10/12 11:32 PM |
| 1 | I hope this story motivates some of you. [FR]I kind of view this as a unicorn story. I'm glad for the OP but I don't think this was really a good FR to post. What you did here was all pretty much wrong, you just happened to have circumstances beyond your immediate control that worked out in the end. The lesson if there was any here is that if you had real confidence in yourself at first meeting her you could have skipped all the BS and just gone straight to dating the model. Grooming matters SO MUCH MORE than actual physical looks. You hav… | /r/seduction | 21/10/12 11:26 PM |
| 1 | [FR] Dancing on the RooftopHow old are you man? | /r/seduction | 21/10/12 11:20 PM |
| 2 | Hey, what's the protocol when a girl always gives you the "i'm busy" excuse? But constantly calls me and tells me if she had time I'd be the guy she'd hook up with.Serious case of oneitis. There will be literally piles of women greater than her in looks, brains, style, humor in your future if you are willing to kick her to the curb and move forward. It doesn't just suck... you're learning a lesson here. Absorb it, become better, move forward. If a woman is interested in you, really attracted to you, she will literally move heaven and earth to make time to be with you. Shit like flying across the country at a moments notice or skipping work or rescheduling … | /r/seduction | 21/10/12 11:04 PM |
| 3 | [FR] First time going to a clubGuy, 10 people here are telling you you're making excuses. Listen to it, absorb it, try again. If you are absolutely convinced that you're not, you're in denial and there's nothing we can do for you here so just STFU and stop going to clubs because they're gonna be like that. | /r/seduction | 21/10/12 10:58 PM |
| 1 | [FR] I owe my whole night last night to you guysI have to agree with some other posters here. The point of an FR is to teach somebody something, it's not a self-congratulatory circle jerk. Every FR doesn't need to be an f-close 3-way with a girl from kink.com either. OP just add some specifics about what worked for you and what did not that could apply to someone starting in the same place you were. | /r/seduction | 21/10/12 10:55 PM |
| 1 | [FR] First time going to a clubI can't disagree with a lot of the other things said, you are full of excuses. I'm guessing that you are early twenties. Having said that however clubs are not for everyone, if at a base level regardless of women/pickup you can't have fun or have a good time yourself in that environment go to a regular bar or day game or something else. 10 seconds in a club and I get a migraine from the fucking bass and lights, just not for me. I'm older but classy bars, high end places for day game are just a m… | /r/seduction | 21/10/12 10:52 PM |
| 1 | FR- "Fedora Guy"No matter what the other "rules" of being a confident alpha man with good lady skills are you still have to have taste, some sense of context and a strong dose of class or you just make our gender look bad. | /r/seduction | 21/10/12 10:39 PM |
| 1 | Tired of this. Help me set standards for myself.Read my recent field report, I cover the online to phone to date conversion in detail. | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 11:41 PM |
| 1 | Tired of this. Help me set standards for myself.Couple things, get rid of the dell voice or whatever or use some kind of dial through shit to have a sane number. It is really important to get a pickup and not voicemail even though you don't have that much control over it. There are tons of services that cost next to nothing. Use google voice, twillio, whatever, even if you just enable for the calls to women. I'm older so calling is way more natural to me but I've gotten much better at making plans via text also. Try and call at a time on an o… | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 11:36 PM |
| 3 | [FR] First time out from online date in 5 years. K-Close could have been F-Close.That's cool. I don't mind being judged on that. It's literally how I'm wired. I can say by any measure I'm not most people. I'm sure there are some things you have that are just total no-gos. Maybe being overweight, or high pitched voices, race, ethnicity or redheads. You can't necessarily explain them in rational terms it but it just doesn't work for you. The style/heels thing is just one of those things for me, it's an aesthetic aspect of what turns me on and what turns me off. I promise you t… | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 11:09 PM |
| 1 | [FR] First time out from online date in 5 years. K-Close could have been F-Close.Could you elaborate a bit. I'm actually really interested in what other peoples goals are? | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 09:54 PM |
| 1 | [FR] First time out from online date in 5 years. K-Close could have been F-Close.Almost certainly the latter. | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 09:54 PM |
| 1 | Did I text myself out of a second date?She wants the heat without the fire. She wants the emotional benefits you're giving her without the emotional risks involved with physical intimacy. I would say just move on, but if you want to give it a go one more time (as we all occasionally do) then you need to stop with the text conversations. Next time she starts something, just be like "Sorry, getting ready to go out". No more responses that day. If she texts back again again the next day, I would just totally ignore her no response again… | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 10:12 AM |
| 7 | [FR] First time out from online date in 5 years. K-Close could have been F-Close.Place is pretty sparse but the fucking music is ridiculously loud for a wine bar. I setup at a spot in a corner with a weird cube wall cushion chair thing. Far from ideal but it'll do. Get the list to peruse and get a sparkling water going. Get a text at 7:28 "trying to find a space". No big deal, I understand it. Takes her 15 minutes to find a space, not good logistics. If she wasn't so into me that would have been a real problem I think. Maybe park at a garage and Uber or something to the plac… | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 07:55 AM |
| 7 | [FR] First time out from online date in 5 years. K-Close could have been F-Close.See a little bit of my story here: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/11ncdz/out_of_4yr_ltr_now_getting_back_to_the_game_moved/ This is super super long, feels cathartic after long absence though. Tough shit no TLDR. Glad to see that not that much has changed. Just want to be super clear here. The kinky business I'm after is 100% consensual, everybody's on the same page and into it. I'm dominant, girls I'm after want to be submissive. The second I feel like a woman is not 100% on that sa… | /r/seduction | 19/10/12 07:55 AM |
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