See my submission history for what I'm about. Me in brief, for schedule reasons use OKC, early thirties, very picky. OKC has exceeded my wildest expectations but note that online dating is not a substitute for knowing how to PU girls IRL, it's more like AP level PUA. Commenter in another thread requested an FR on this as a non-bar place to do a date, I'm kind of wired from a date I just got home from so I'm honoring that request. I still always like bars for first dates and only do this as a day2.

HB8 from OKC (would say HB9 on this date), smart, attractive. Quirky in ways I find particularly attractive, unusual ethnicity which I find hot, great style, super tiny. Date #1 followed my most typical formula of wine bar-> qualifiers/tests -> k-close & minor groping. I wish I could say that all my dates are as erotic as my last two FR's but those are of course the exception. I tend to FR only when there is something particularly complicated, a lot of fast escalation and is useful to report.

On the first date I had a good time, on a personality level I really clicked with this woman and in terms of style I really like what she has going on. However during qualifiers/tests conversation it's pretty clear that she has never veered off the beaten path with regard to sex. If you read my other FR's I generally end up using the ice cream kinky qualifier line but never even got to that point with this girl. Get the k-close in as soon as you can, don't put it off to the end of a first date. I won't harp on furniture again here but nothing helps the kino more than the mini-couch and the faster kino moves the earlier the k-close can be done.

I see some gimmicks around and I don't normally like them but in this case I tried something new and I liked it. It escalated more than just a regular k-close would have done in the same circumstances. We had gotten close together, our legs were touching side by side. Conversation paused for a minute, I made strong eye contact, I said "Do you trust me?" in a smiley way. She gives me the "where's this going" look but says "yes". "Close your eyes".

She does. I move my face in close to her neck and I whisper in her ear "your scent is very sexy" and then move my face out and kiss her. Two things I love to compliment a women on, her scent and the softness of her skin. Saying these in the right way adds a strong sexual charge. I generally advise against complimenting or negging anything the woman doesn't have control over. For obvious reasons I also compliment shoes a lot.

No resistance at all. Not a big makeout but a very generous sensual kiss, I end it. This is about an hour into the date. I have no doubt that I could have just k-closed her without that gimmick but in doing so I accomplished a lot more, I built huge sexual tension and started building trust which is where all this is leading to.

The other kiss gimmick I sometimes use to good effect is the "My time is valuable, are you a good kisser?". Sometimes I use this in a call with a girl to set the tone for an upcoming date, sometimes I use it in person really early in to speed things along. I think it goes back to project hollywood.

In person they answer yes, you say "prove it" or "I don't believe you, you have lips that look kind of fishy" or something along those lines and you kiss. If you've already seen her eat or drink you can make fun of that in terms of kissing. "I saw you swig from that pint, I hope you're better at kissing than that". The gimmick can be funny, sometimes just a peck, sometimes it leads to an immediate make out, whatever just roll with what happens but don't be aggressive with it. After reading how creepy some of you are use this with caution, you need to have confidence to pull it off and you need to do it in a joking way. If you can't pull off chessy line, this sort of thing is not going to work for you.

After the k-close I ask her about the sex questions in her profile, she avoided pretty much all the risqué ones. She's kind of dodgy and uncomfortable about it. In these circumstances I use a line that I've field tested a lot. "I know the hitachi magic wand is more than a neck massager" with a wry smile. If you don't know what the magic wand is, you need to learn. For women it's the hemi V8 of vibrators, "a hitachi" is a coded word.

Ever seen the "Hysterical Literature" portrait videos, that's what's rockin those girls under the table. It also has a strong association with BDSM and forced (still consensual) orgasms which I'm all about. She gets incredibly red in the face because she understands what I'm getting at but clearly doesn't own one or maybe any vibrator at that. That's a pretty long way from where I like to play so I backed off on the sex talk but we had a great date otherwise ending with more serious but still pretty tame making out and me groping her ass forcefully.

I like the girl a lot so I'm willing to give it a go and see if I can expand her horizons, comfortably and with her consent. I rarely do this, it's a lot of effort to invest and ultimately might be a point that is a fair deal breaker for both parties.

So Date #2 is what I call the IKEA date. I do a lot of day2's at IKEA if I'm not specifically trying to f-close and am still in the qualifying/escalation stages.

It's a whole different vibe from a bar but still has all kinds of fun things and tons of opportunities to test and qualify a girl. Also I think it's different, I've never met a girl where a guy took her to IKEA as a date before me. I usually frame it like "I need to go look at lamps, I want to see if you have bad taste". Don't stop qualifying. I didn't in this case but sometimes I use the IKEA restaurant as a test for gold-diggers or fame-whores (I do pretty well but I'm quiet about it and I'm not famous but there are some reasons I have a public profile) and make a girl buy me IKEA dinner. If they don't or won't or are offended by the idea of eating at IKEA that's immediate dismissal. It's barely $20 meal combined and the foods actually not half bad. I love eating something when it has a name like GORFBARF.

This is one of those things that gets me a lot of hate mail but I am who I am and I'm honest in FR's cause otherwise what's the point. One of the other reasons I personally like IKEA is that if a girl dresses stylishly and wears heels to IKEA on a day2 I know that we're all good on that front which is otherwise a big deal breaker for me. If they show up in flip flops and no makeup I remember I had bad clams for lunch and that's that, it's never going to work for me. I should note, I'm generally well dressed also. This type of qualifying apparently drives some commenters absolutely mad with rage, seriously guys and gals I don't give a fuck, save reddit the bandwidth. Don't be afraid to want what you want. I value fashion and style amongst other things as well, you don't have to if you don't want to. I see a lot of other people value equally arbitrary things like love of sports teams or particular sports.

Don't do the IKEA date during busy times for reasons we'll get to later, you want to do it when it's almost dead. IKEA is great because there's just so much context to make fun of, names of things, style, design, people and so on. Keeps it very light. Also there are bedrooms. I sometimes will bring a flask of liquor (west virginia "liquor") with me to non-bar places and especially IKEA cause it just seems naughty and funny to be drinking in IKEA and I did in this case. Who has flasks anymore? Hardly anyone. Be different.

I see a lot of posts about staying sober, etc. I don't really agree with that at all. By all means do not get so drunk that it impacts your ability to drive, or behave responsibility in any way, but for 50,000 years alcohol has been the primary social lubricant between men and women. I see no reason to stop that now. I don't want any body to ever be sloppy drunk but a little tipple can be fun and relaxing. If you do plan on drinking a bit (meaning more than a little) wherever, pro tip, eat two slices of white bread before you head out which will dramatically slow absorption of the booze and space it out over time so you get less drunk and get yourself a breathe tester so you can double check where you're at before driving. I don't advocate using the breathe tester as a gimmick with girls but plenty of guys do.

When there is a girl that I want to qualify regarding how open she is to being kinky I tend to use the IKEA date. Over time I have found a very high correlation between public or semi-public sexy time and openness to more kinky things I like. Also in the style of the public sexy time I'm qualifying it by being forceful and controlling, to gauge response. Be incredibly careful with this, though I've never had a problem because I calibrate carefully, I imagine it could get you in a LOT of trouble really quick.

So I meet her at IKEA and she's more made up than on our first date. I think she maybe played it down on purpose but now she likes me so she wanted to show off more. Very nice heels. She's very very short without them. I'm thinking they're too tall for all this walking but she never said anything the whole time, walked like a pro the rest of the night no complaints.

She seems like just one of those women that's into wearing heels everywhere which is A OK for me and why I like the IKEA test for that. The reason I'm mentioning this is that in regard to abundance mentality don't be afraid to qualify girls in or out on whatever makes your motor run. Know your deal breakers and keep to them, why waste everyones time otherwise. Fuck what everybody else thinks, life is way too short. I guarantee that whatever it is that does it for you, you can find a girl who looks that way, does that thing, is into it also, or at least open minded enough to try it.

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