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Oh my God, the scenario you’ve laid out is actually quite probable I can see from my uncle’s daughter, she resents my uncle for controlling her sexuality? He actually almost got into serious trouble for reprimanding his daughter for seeking a boyfriend? You’re actually really correct about my daughter rebelling against me if she grows up to resent me for stifling her femininity?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 05:12 PM

I am 29, not been dating much as I’m unemployed , I feel like I’m very desperate in getting married as I feel like I’m just getting older by the day and wish to be young when I have my kids, not old
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 05:08 PM
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I agree with you I also think The red pill is highly manipulative Like dread game is straight up manipulation Spinning plates just seems odd because why wouldn’t you want to settle down with one woman and get married rather than waste time on casual sex? I do like the self improvement advice the red pill gives but other than that the red pill men just seem highly anxious, insecure and controlling? I am at a cross roads, either I just find my own girlfriend or I follow in my uncles foot steps and…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:04 PM
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Why do you love ex red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 11:55 AM
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So you’re not ex red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 11:17 AM
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Care to elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 10:56 AM
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I don’t understand, how is that paper convincing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 10:51 AM
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Exactly, I got banned from r/exredpill and all I wanted was a healthy discussion rather than just getting banned for being “mysoginist”?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 10:48 AM
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I agree, how come they don’t think there’s such a thing as a “quality” woman at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 10:45 AM
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I have noticed this too I got temporarily banned from r/exredpill for “mysoginy” when I was just there to ask honest questions and receive support?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:32 AM
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I agree that it’s an echo chamber, I get downvoted to oblivion and actually got temporarily banned from the r/exredpill subreddit for mysoginy What certain things I can’t unlearn? I’ve stopped believing in hypergamy and I think dread game is abusive/toxic?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:08 AM
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Hasn’t the alpha male/beta male thing been debunked though?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:17 AM
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Isn’t it abusive though?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:13 AM
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Why do you disagree with the scientific evidence though?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 12:57 AM
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Why are you skeptical?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 12:39 AM
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What’s your opinion on “dread game”? And are you a current red piller?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 12:10 AM
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What about the scientific debunking they’ve done?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 11:25 PM
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You actually make a lot of sense, thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 10:56 PM

What do you mean by “…not to unlock the rest of the world…”?
/r/MarriedRedPill25/01/24 12:49 AM

I feel like I’m sliding into the exredpill community, they’ve debunked a lot of red pill points using actual science? I find the red pill ideology quite toxic, like for example dread game is very manipulative, can’t be healthy for a relationship? And the whole notion that women are like children is disrespectful too? Have you given up on the idea of marriage and children?
/r/MarriedRedPill25/01/24 12:48 AM
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I really don’t want to wake until 40 to have kids, I feel like o would be too old? So 35 is like the nice middle ground between too old and too young?
/r/ExRedPill23/01/24 01:34 AM
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I think sex is for having children, I don’t think it’s a laughing matter at all and should be treated seriously Condoms can fail, your girl might forget to take the pill or you could get an STD, sex isn’t risk free And for women it’s a huge risk as pregnancy is very serious In my opinion, people who can’t keep it in their pants have impulse control issues?
/r/ExRedPill23/01/24 01:16 AM
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Can you elaborate more on your friend from a Muslim country? I am curious how people have casual sex there while trying to keep it secret?
/r/ExRedPill23/01/24 01:14 AM
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Morals such as integrity, honesty, doing the right thing etc.? I mentioned the gang bang example because it’s one of my worst fears I would be so disgusted if I found out my wife had sordid sex with lots of men before marrying me?
/r/ExRedPill23/01/24 01:14 AM
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Traditional values like not having casual sex, no sex before marriage, being a housewife etc.?
/r/ExRedPill23/01/24 01:09 AM
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This comment is actually quite reasonable thank you I agree with you that sexual purity isn’t the best all and end all But don’t you agree that having a ridiculously high body count a sign of a person who can’t control their impulses and hence more likely to cheat? Also how can I feel with me having the Madonna whore complex?
/r/ExRedPill23/01/24 01:07 AM
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I don’t think sex is something to be toyed with It could cause unwanted pregnancies for example? That’s why it’s a sign of good character if a woman can save herself for marriage I reckon?
/r/ExRedPill23/01/24 01:04 AM
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Also do you reckon I should have an arranged marriage if I haven’t found a partner by the age of 35?
/r/ExRedPill23/01/24 12:42 AM
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Where should I search for a partner by the way? I feel that I won’t find any quality women anymore after leaving university? Why is looking for a wife abroad in a traditionalist country not a viable option?
/r/ExRedPill23/01/24 12:36 AM
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This is an excellent comment, very helpful advise So you reckon I should go to therapy to address this? I think I am scared of divorce because of how normalised casual sex has become? One of my nightmares is finding out my western wife has been in a gang bang or was part of other sordid activities like meeting strangers for sex Another reason is that my own parents had a failed marriage and I’ve not been exposed to how a healthy romantic relationship looks like? In the end I just want true love?…
/r/ExRedPill22/01/24 11:52 PM
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This is a very reasonable comment
/r/ExRedPill22/01/24 11:49 PM
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Don’t western women make bad spouses though? Aren’t marriages from traditional cultures better?
/r/ExRedPill22/01/24 06:37 PM
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What is the end goal of the red pill movement?
/r/ExRedPill22/01/24 10:47 AM
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I thought it was socially frowned upon back in the day?
/r/ExRedPill22/01/24 10:42 AM
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I would much rather have my wife bond with the kids than some stranger at daycare And yes, ideally my wife would educate the kids at home if possible
/r/ExRedPill22/01/24 04:20 AM
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This is why I value women abroad, they don’t see cheating as something frivolous
/r/ExRedPill22/01/24 04:14 AM
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Do woman from an arranged marriage really cheat though? They take sex more seriously as casual sex is not something they indulge in?
/r/ExRedPill22/01/24 03:56 AM
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Wow that sounds very scary, have you got any stories where death was involved? I already have a friend from a country where divorce is taboo but he hasn’t told me anything about it?
/r/ExRedPill22/01/24 03:54 AM
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Hold on, but the red pill existed before the covid 19 lockdowns? So how would you say that loneliness is a cause for consuming red pill content? Also I would be happy if I focused on work while my wife stays at home and bonds with the children I am not sure whether j would send my children to daycare as I want to homeschool my kids
/r/ExRedPill22/01/24 03:54 AM
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I think one of the last things still keeping me red pill is that in the west, casual sex is celebrated and women having a high sexual body count is not seen as a bad thing Compared to abroad where casual sex is taboo, women then are not as promiscuous and more trustworthy? How can you trust a promiscuous woman?
/r/ExRedPill22/01/24 03:43 AM
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Thought that good morals would prevent my arranged wife from cheating on me? Cheating in the west seems to be normalised?
/r/ExRedPill22/01/24 03:38 AM
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Isn’t that just Colombia though?
/r/ExRedPill22/01/24 03:33 AM
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Honestly women at bars don’t seem like marriage material
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 07:53 PM
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Okay thank you
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 07:52 PM
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You are correct I need to be out more, I’m a serious home body
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 07:42 PM
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I don’t subscribe to the saying “it takes a village to raise a child” I think deep bonding with my child is better than letting some stranger at a daycare bond with my child I’d rather my wife or me have a very close relationship with my child than choose money and a career over that
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 07:38 PM
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Yes I actually am prepared to provide for my arranged wife for life In return I expect her to take care of the children and me and be loyal I am not a fan of bringing her family members to my country though What you said about her cheating while I’m at work is a huge fear of mine Isn’t it less likely if my wife stays at home though? Isn’t it easier for my wife to cheat with a coworker for example? Also I think it’s too late for me to live with a girlfriend for a life I want to be married with ki…
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 07:08 PM
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Thank you very much for the sources
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 07:04 PM
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I’m just joking dude calm down
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 07:03 PM
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Aren’t career women less likely to stay in marriages?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 07:00 PM
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Isn’t there a grain of truth in red pill content though?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 06:36 PM
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Oh my god that’s crazy Do you have any online sources so I can have a further look into their phenomenon?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 06:35 PM
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Don’t the red pill and men’s rights communities have a point with feminism having ruined marriage in this modern age though?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 05:45 PM
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My integrity is just too valuable to destroy, same as my conscious
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 05:42 PM
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You and me are in the same position, I am terrified of not having children before 35 I would say o am good looking though but my window of opportunity to have a virtuous quality woman is also closed since I’ve left university? Can’t you date your potential arranged wife for a while and see how it goes though?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 05:42 PM
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No no, I would never cheat
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 05:37 PM
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Thank you for your very detailed and helpful response Isn’t it harmless to occasionally consume red pill content? I still find it quite entertaining sometimes especially when I see cheaters regret cheating for example? So overall, I should just focus on myself and then see a relationship when it comes along?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 05:32 PM
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I don’t have hard evidence to be honest I would say that society abroad is more religious and women are not promiscuous as sex before marriage is taboo? So women are brought up to be good wives? And this is what I think the main difference is?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 05:20 PM
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To be fair one of the reasons I am a passport bro is because I am “boycotting” women in the west for being promiscuous and not taking marriage seriously?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 05:15 PM
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I just think non western women have better morals when it comes to cheating, if they have good morals they would not decide to cheat? Also don’t the passport bros have a point in getting married abroad though?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 05:01 PM
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Hold on, I would trust the woman I would leave with my kids?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 04:59 PM
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I am planning to homeschool my kids It’s okay if I spend less time with my kids if I am the main breadwinner But I would want at least one parent to stay at home with the kids Daycare is terrible, I even got abused at days care when I was a child
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 04:53 PM
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I disagree, society seems very matriarchal nowadays
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 04:51 PM
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I am definitely going to therapy and thank you for your frailer comment and support
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 04:48 PM
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I think it’s far better if the man goes to work and the wife stays at home with the children as much as possible compared to sending them to daycare to be raised by strangers who can be abusive like I mentioned on another comment I was abused by a daycare worker when I was a child I agree that my wife could be the breadwinner and I be the stay at home parent but as long as one parent stays at home with the kids then I’m happy?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 04:46 PM
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The culture abroad is more traditional and rooted in respect for men? Compared to the west where men are seen as disposable?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 04:42 PM
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I actually forget that men used to be more abusive in the past but at the same time I don’t have much knowledge on it? The red pill community makes it seem that women just respected and cared for men a lot more in the more patriarchal days? And that since the patriarchy has gone, respect for men and family has gone too?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 04:31 PM
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Oh my god I did not think of this, Do they really have secret boyfriends behind their husbands back? That’s like my worst nightmare? And how do you know they are really good at hiding their cheating?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 04:16 PM
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I disagree with you Sending children to daycare will reduce the chance of you bonding with your children and building a relationship with them I would rather have less money than having less times with my children I agree with you that as a father I should make sure it’s 50/50 between me and my wife But I really don’t like the idea of daycare To emphasise even, I got abused by a staff member at daycare and I remember it till this day Looking back I would rather have at least one parent stay with…
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 04:12 PM
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I’m trying to stay anonymous
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 04:09 PM
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My parents are and why not?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 04:07 PM
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I think it’s best for the kids if at least one parent stays at home, I don’t think sending kids to day care is healthy?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 03:58 PM
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My uncle seems to have a stable marriage though? And he married a woman from his home country abroad? They have a lot of children and it just seems so stable and reliable? I feel like I want to emulate that?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 03:57 PM
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It’s delicious
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 03:34 PM
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To be fair you’re right, im a homebody
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 03:32 PM
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Isn’t it true though that the higher a woman’s body count, the higher the likelihood of divorce?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 02:57 PM
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I want to have a stay at home wife and a lot of kids I feel that modern women don’t want to be stay at home mothers and could potentially cheat on you with colleagues at work for example?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 02:40 PM
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Okay I agree with you What is your best advice for my current situation as a single man? Should I still consider an arranged marriage abroad or would I be wasting my time? One of the main reasons for marrying abroad is because I would be more likely to find a virtuous “good girl”? I really don’t want to get married to a promiscuous woman in the western world?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 02:39 PM
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What would the metaphor be? Also isn’t patriarchy better than the modern day structure of relationships where women can easily cheat and destroy relationship? Patriarchy to me seems a lot more stable and better for a marriage and children?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 02:29 PM
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I see what you mean, I never really thought of it as being a good partner and if I get cheated on that it would be my partner’s loss? Also just to be sure, how are to do confident that the red pill content creators use fake science? I agree with you that gold diggers are easy to spot but what I am terrified of is a woman acting like a “unicorn” for a couple of years and then when the time is right divorce me for my money? And cheating on me as the cherry on top? Also as a side note: How come you…
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 02:24 PM
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So why in your opinion are red pill videos so popular nowadays?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 02:11 PM
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How are you so sure of your opinion though? How come you’re not convinced by the red pill community? For me it’s cheating and hypergamy that still makes me subscribe to the red pill?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 02:10 PM
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How do you know that hypergamy is not real though? And aren’t you terrified of getting cheated on while being in a serious relationship?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 02:05 PM
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Wait, are you sure hypergamy is not real? I am pretty convinced it is but I am open to change my mind? Isn’t the traditional view of marriage being the man being the provider and the woman taking care of the children and the home? Which would mean that women would have to be hypergamous which isn’t necessarily a bad thing as long as the woman maintains a good marriage with no cheating? I feel that women in the west do not want to take care of the children and the home and are more likely to chea…
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 01:57 PM
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I still consume red pill content because it’s quiete enlightening to see how men get treated bad by hypergamous women or get cheated on? My worried fear is getting cheated on while being in a serious relationship? This is why I considered marrying abroad because traditional women seem less prone to cheating? As they would have good morals? You are correct but I just feel scared of making the first move and trusting a woman in this day and age? Is this really true? How come. The men’s rights move…
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 01:45 PM
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The reason I am convinced is because I watch Better Bachelor and Tribe of Men who actually seem reasonable compared to Sandman who is a straight up woman hater? I just frequently see men getting cheated on or women being hypergamous and then losing their money and kids in a nasty divorce? I am scared of not heeding their advice and the same happen to me? This is why I considered marrying abroad in orde to be with a traditional woman who wouldn’t cheat on me or be hypergamous?
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 01:41 PM
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To be fair I don’t watch red pill content creators like Sandman as his views are just straight up mysoginistic. However I do watch Tribe of Men and Better Bachelor who do seem more reasonable? And their content makes me terrified to get married in the west? I am just terrified of hypergamy and getting cheated on? This is why I would consider getting married abroad to a traditional woman but then I feel like that women would not genuinely love me for me? I am terrified of not heeding the red pill…
/r/ExRedPill21/01/24 01:38 PM
1

So you fell in love rather than built a relationship and developed love?
/r/MGTOW219/09/20 01:08 AM
1

It’s not wrong to be attracted to someone but would you say you would have an easier time scanning for red flags if you evaluated her personality more and held off on sex until you were absolutely sure she would not be malicious to you if you ever divorced?
/r/MGTOW217/09/20 05:15 PM
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What was the main reason you married her? Did she have a good personality or did you value her looks more? And when did you start to have sex within her when dating? By the third date for example?
/r/MGTOW217/09/20 01:44 PM
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What’s your opinion on hypergamy though?
/r/ExRedPill17/07/20 10:36 AM
1

And of course that’s irrational right? Our parents don’t own our lives right?
/r/MGTOW210/07/20 01:40 PM
1

I forgot to edit: Violence is only acceptable in self defence
/r/MGTOW08/07/20 05:22 PM
1

Im considering an unofficial marriage? Without a marriage license?
/r/MensRights08/07/20 05:17 PM
1

Why until years later? Is that so common?
/r/MensRights08/07/20 05:17 PM
1

Tell me about it, it’s the guilt that’s eating me up inside that makes it hard for me to have serious relationships leading to marriage with women outside of my race/ethnicity or culture
/r/MGTOW208/07/20 05:10 PM
2

Couldn’t the politicians in the UK change the laws on a whim though? I’ve seen that they’re recently trying to pass a bill that makes no fault divorce legal in the UK?
/r/MensRights05/07/20 02:29 AM
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What would your response be to people who say that alimony is more based on who earns more, rather than what the persons gender is?
/r/MensRights05/07/20 02:21 AM
1

A bit out of context, but I currently have the dilemma of choosing a seemingly stable arranged marriage from a woman from the same ethnicity, which seemingly has low divorce rates or a love marriage with someone I personally vet myself but looks good so far as we share the same values and views? Would you recommend I go for the arranged marriage due to the supposed low divorce rate? Or pursue the love marriage and do the vetting personally for a long time?
/r/MensRights05/07/20 02:19 AM
1

Dude by the way, did you mean that guys might not even be able to get an arranged marriage if they are not good looking? Even though they might be financially well off?
/r/MGTOW204/07/20 08:17 PM
1

I very much agree, it doesn’t make sense at all to involve a third party in a private and intimate relationship, it just seems like a form of manipulation really on whoever uses the state to bend the marriage to their will? And regarding the parental situation I very much agree, but it’s so difficult for me as I’m plagued by feelings of guilt surrounding the topic
/r/MGTOW204/07/20 08:08 PM
1

Also why specifically MGTOW2? Are they less radical than MGTOw?
/r/ExRedPill04/07/20 02:06 PM
1

Hey thank you for your response But I really do not appreciate it when you label me as not a good person, as you don’t see how I condemn marital rape and acknowledge that it exists and that I see violence as never being acceptable so I disagreed with that person talking about wife beating So don’t be quick to judge or make lapses in your judgments please! Anyways, yes I see where you are coming from, some of your questions are quite personal so o will send you a PM Some MGTOWs argue that you sti…
/r/ExRedPill04/07/20 02:05 PM
1

Why is it w waste of time?
/r/ExRedPill04/07/20 01:57 PM
1

Thank you This is exactly what I fear and you’re spot on! The bigger picture is a power grab By destabilising people from self sufficiency But aren’t we contributing to that by walking away from a life of family? Aren’t we playing right into their hands?
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 01:56 PM
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When you say ethnic conservatives culture, would you say that you have an obligation to marry within your ethnicity, to preserve your ethnicity? As I feel this pressure too? But I really like this girl who has nothing to do with my ethnicity or parental culture at all?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/07/20 01:49 PM
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Thank you!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/07/20 01:48 PM
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I’ve sworn off dating apps, o feel that it is really a place where people go to who don’t want to work on themselves and find someone in real life myself included, because that was exactly what I was doing myself when I was heavily into tinder So all in all, I’m in a massive dilemma, what would you recommend o do when it comes to this girl I’m speaking to who shares the same values as me and seems like a great catch? Should I just marry without having the state involved? An unofficial marriage? …
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 01:48 PM
1

I would say my family structure is quite similar to indian when it comes to controlling parents? But they’re not mega controlling? Could you still please give me insight regarding this? And what would you say that the main problem is with marriage? When it’s not down to women for example?
/r/MGTOW204/07/20 01:43 PM
1

So why should the state be involved in marriage? Why do we need a marriage license and all sorts of laws that not everyone agrees with?
/r/ExRedPill04/07/20 01:42 PM
1

Would you say that women are more capable of raising children than men?
/r/ExRedPill04/07/20 01:41 PM
1

Thank you so much But I still want to challenge it and see both sides of the argument I’m familiar with the divorce rate, dead bedroom scenarios and cheaper to keep her scenarios One of the persons on ex red pill argued that alimony is based more on who earns more, rather than their gender? As there’s stories of women being screwed with alimony too? Adele is quite an example? And by sole custody, does this mean that the man never gets to see his children? Or only sometimes if the mother/child ag…
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 01:36 PM
1

One of the people on ex red pill, argued that division of marital assets was based more on who earns more, rather than what gender the person is. What’s your opinion on this? And don’t those statistics reflect that men earn more, so they would end up with the bill for alimony payments? Regarding the custody of children tho, that’s a tricky one where I’m inclined to agree with you
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/07/20 01:28 PM
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Yep, the women on there, some of them are beautiful, but it’s their mindset that make it too dangerous to go for a relationship
/r/MGTOW204/07/20 01:23 PM
1

I just replied to someone who argued that divorce is more about who earns more, rather than only being in favour of women? What’s your opinion on this? As there are stories of women getting screwed in divorce too?
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 01:22 PM
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I’m so sorry to hear about your grandmother’s struggle, really sorry to hear that That’s really awful and shocking, I think you opened my eyes quite a bit. Because MGToW says that there’s a gynocentric bias in the courts, not necessarily about who earns more? But with the recent Adele divorce it does seem to be about who earns more You say that these laws were created by old men, but MGTOW’s argue that third wave feminism created these laws? What’s your opinion on this? And some MGTOW’s argue th…
/r/ExRedPill04/07/20 01:21 PM
1

Violence is kever acceptable
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 01:11 PM
1

Where is the evidence/sources for these paid binding studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 08:44 AM
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Why is it not valid source?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 08:32 AM
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Why did you look for a relationship in tinder in the first place? Isn’t that place red flag central?
/r/MGTOW227/06/20 09:49 AM
1

Don’t you feel that it skews the definition of love tho? To be split in two?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/06/20 01:36 AM
1

Thank you, this is true, but do net you feel that a lot of women have been told that bei g a SAHM means giving up life? When it’s usually only crucial for years 0-5 in a child’s development? Especially given attachment theory in psychology?
/r/ExRedPill27/06/20 01:35 AM
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What is the best way to counteract this? Would you say that MGTOW alone works? And what’s your opinion on people who say we’re over exaggerating the issue?
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 01:29 AM
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If cohabitation laws changed or divorce laws changed, would you get married? And how real is the risk of feeling that my “parents would control my life” in an arranged marriage?
/r/MGTOW227/06/20 01:29 AM
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Damn, you’re actually on to something, because you’re very right when you look at the JFK assassination, definitely a group of people behind the scenes And politicians most likely are mere pawns How would broken marriages transfer wealth specifically tho?
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 01:28 AM
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I disagree, I feel that the more disconnected children are to one person, the less secure attachment they receive Children need vind permanence, have you heard of attachment theory in psychology?
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 01:26 AM
1

So me te say if you would take another shot at dating? How would you go about it? Let’s say we ignore the case of moving abroad to date/marry or that we don’t have this problem of skewed divorce courts right now? And I would say that being in college doesn’t necessarily make you high IQ? I would say STEM required a higher IQ than the arts for example?
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 01:25 AM
1

So there’s absolutely no way to vet women? Doesn’t that seem a bit far fetched? How about the guys in ex-red pill subreddit, who say that the whole alimony/child support deal is over exaggerated?
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 01:22 AM
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Yeah he has quite polarised me with being for “the nation state” since that does not seem very anarchist of him? But I think that he believes that a lot of immigrants are pro welfare, it’s just that “white” politicians who are in the minority, use immigrants for more political power by promising more welfare?
/r/MGTOW27/06/20 01:19 AM
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It seems to me that the likelihood of divorce is so low due to family pressure? It necessarily a happy marriage? My biggest fear is having my married life being micro managed by my family and extended family? Seems very un free?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/06/20 01:17 AM
1

I was just on ex-red pill subreddit, where they pretty much say there’s no incentive for alimony? Only child support?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/06/20 01:16 AM
1

So you’re saying love doesn’t exist?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/06/20 01:16 AM
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Thank you so much, you’re very kind. Really appreciate your response and I’m very sorry to hear of the abuse you suffered at the hands of your father, you never deserved that. Truly sorry brother. Well, you make excellent points, that is exactly what my biggest fear is about the whole arranged marriage deal. Just seems like I would be permanently tied to a person I barely even know. And all sorts of abusiveness can creep in later in the marriage when it’s too late and children will get affected.…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/06/20 01:12 AM
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Hey dude, your response is very enlightening I 100% agree that basing a relationship on only feelings or “tingles” is what causes a lot of divorce? Because these feelings can always change and fade? But if you have similar values and views on life? And if you admire the other person’s character, that’s a lot more enduring than mere feelings? You are absolutely right about arranged marriages having problems that are swept under the rug, I really do feel that these problems are overlooked for the …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/06/20 12:59 AM
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Who said I want to have my cake and eat it too? Why do you seem bitter that I’m questioning the narrative? Anyways, I fully understand that it’s a sacrifice, but the whole concept of continuing a relationship after it has been ended seems bizarre? If you end a relationship in divorce, why should you be obligated to continue that relationship financially? Some people bring up severance packages, but if that was the case, why don’t all jobs have severance packages?
/r/ExRedPill27/06/20 12:08 AM
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This is actually one of the more productive solutions I’ve found. I very much think that the sacrifice fund is a productive solution So essentially you would advocate for nannies to raise your children if both parents work?
/r/ExRedPill27/06/20 12:06 AM
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Not always; there are a lot of abusive biological parents But the ideal case is two non abusive, biological parents. And this plays into attachment theory in psychology Would you say that children out into daycare receive more bonding and attachment than their own biological parents if at least one of them stays home? I mean both child support and alimony when it comes to divorce? If severance is necessary to provide support after a relationship ends, why don’t all jobs provide severance payment…
/r/ExRedPill27/06/20 12:03 AM
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But who said that SAHM’s have to be SAHMs until the children are 20? Don’t children become adults at 18? And aren’t the crucial child development Jr. years between 0-5 years old roughly? Where all the hard work of child rearing is? So a SAHM could raise her children for 5 years and slowly start to return to work? And are we obligated to finance people’s lifestyle?
/r/ExRedPill27/06/20 12:01 AM
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So you actively advocate for the courts to fleece cheaters and abusers? As much as I despise cheaters and abusers, isn’t that selective justice? Shouldn’t we focus on severing the relationship rather than do a whole “eye for an eye” thing by “fucking over” cheaters and abusers? So won’t women use children as assets in the divorce to gain assets in divorce? What if it’s the mother that’s abusive? What if the divorce gives child custody to her and assets to her? I understand that wokken would be m…
/r/ExRedPill26/06/20 11:59 PM
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Why would a SAHM still need to be employed? Shouldn’t she be fully focused on being there for the children? That’s why I don’t understand what is meant with “flexible” when it comes to work arrangements? Is it expected that the SAHM would still be working while she has young children? Which is not what I would be looking for? Those divorce statistics seem very promising and optimistic, but I’m still quite skepticism because I’ve seen myself how statistics can be manipulated, not saying that thos…
/r/ExRedPill26/06/20 11:53 PM
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But isn’t that the risk you take when you decide to be a stay at home parent? Isn’t that the sacrifice you make for your children? And you can always come back to a career? You can’t travel back in time to be there for your children at their crucial years? Not all jobs have severance packages for a reason, because the worker/employee relationship has ended? Otherwise, why don’t all jobs offer severance packages? I would be okay with sacrificing 15 years of my career to be there completely for my…
/r/ExRedPill26/06/20 11:38 PM
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When you say permanent? Do you mean just the fact that they’ll sacrifice the money they’ll earn? Or their earning potential? Because how I see it, she could always come back to her career, but that time spent when children are young, that’s a once in a lifetime thing, you can go back in time to nurture your you children? But you can always come back to a career after you’ve been there for the children at their crucial development years? Did you think that I meant that women have to be SAHM for t…
/r/ExRedPill26/06/20 11:32 PM
1

What sort of insecurities do you feel that I may have? I would say I’m far from red pill, because I don’t believe in women not being people like h they believe it basically? Or that women inherently are against men I just see it more as the system right now being heavily in favour for women and that women have a higher incentive to divorce because of it? That’s what I’m terrified of? I wouldn’t say I love this girl, because I’ve only just been getting to know her, but she seems like marriage mat…
/r/ExRedPill26/06/20 11:28 PM
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I actually would, because at least I am concerned about marriage and the future of my children? If my daughters potential husband wouldn’t care about child abuse or marriage, it would also mean that he wouldn’t care about solving those problems if they arise? And why would my post history influence my argument? Why not deal with my argument at face value? I’ve not even check your post history? I just deal with what you say directly? I see what you mean about foster kids dreaming for a replacemen…
/r/ExRedPill26/06/20 11:23 PM
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I agree that it’s not only the parents that influence their children, but parents have the most influence I grew up in a divorced single parent household. So didn’t experience being under a SAHM that much And I definitely agree that a lot of nuclear families have a lot of abusive mothers or fathers, but that has more to do with generational child abuse or violent relationships? I still see that it’s ideal to have two stay at home parents that are non abusive, they’re the first line of defence ag…
/r/ExRedPill26/06/20 10:59 PM
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I agree with pre-nips, but isn’t alimony borderline slavery? Going to jail for not being able to pay alimony in America for example? Also, women don’t have to be a SAHM until the kids are 18, what if we focus on the early years where they need secure attachment and bonding the most, lets say 0-5 years old, then the SAHM can return to her career if she wants, since most of the hard work is done psychologically? I understand that it MIGHT reduce the incentive to get married if there is no alimony,…
/r/ExRedPill25/06/20 07:56 PM
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I fully understand having to subsidise my wife to be a SAHM, but why am I obligated to pay money once the relationship is over? What if my wife cheats and divorced me and takes alimony, hoe would that be fair? Because it seems that the vast majority of divorces are initiated by women, not men? I understand that abuse exists and that unhappy marriages exist, as well as abusive husbands or wives. But if the relationship is finished, aren’t we continuing the relationship by forcing someone to pay m…
/r/ExRedPill25/06/20 07:52 PM
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But don’t we see a trend of divorce courts skewing everything in the favour of women? I feel like you’re and the other commenter’s experiences are exceptions, not the rule?
/r/ExRedPill25/06/20 07:49 PM
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But I think that a SAHM is the best for raising psychologically healthy children? As psychology has shown that children need a lot of binding and nurturing in their early years? Doesn’t the current divorce laws just incentivise divorce? And shouldn’t it be both feet into a marriage rather than one foot out and a restocking fee as an incentive to leave?
/r/ExRedPill25/06/20 03:56 PM
1

I want my wife to be a SAHM because I believe that children need a lot of psychological nurturing and bonding in their early years. Are you opposed to the whole SAHM idea in general?
/r/ExRedPill25/06/20 03:54 PM
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So what would you say the solution should be when it comes to divorce and alimony? Isn’t the concept of alimony itself ridiculous? Why pay money to someone you have ended a relationship with? Doesn’t that continue the relationship?
/r/ExRedPill25/06/20 03:53 PM
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Would you say that arranged marriages counter the risk of divorce? I’m facing the choice between an ethnic arranged marriage and a love marriage from a western girl who seems quite red pilled politically at least and is close to her father? Is this still a risk? I find arranged marriages depressing, but still see the risk in divorce nowadays?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/06/20 04:14 PM
1

So who is behind this push? Is it not simply the state?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 12:35 PM
1

But isn’t it better to focus on one person at a time? Isn’t it better for children to have strong bonding without one parental figure rather than be passed around in the family without getting used to one parental figure?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 12:34 PM
1

Stefan said to join clubs as if people put the effort to join clubs, it shows initiative? Say a debating club? It shows higher quality than alcohol fuelled dating in bars for example where depth is not valued? What about high IQ women? Aren’t they more valuable and pose less of a risk of divorce?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 12:30 PM
1

So traditional stay at home women are no different than the modern empowered casual dating women?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 12:28 PM
1

That’s very true What hope is there left for raising children in a nuclear family? Are arranged marriages the answer?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 12:27 PM
1

Hey dude, Massively appreciate your response I agree with you on a lot of things, but I’m still wondering, when you pursued women, did you put looks first or values first? All the times I put looks first, I lost my ability to have control in the relationship and ended up with toxic women who relished in the fact that I put sex over self respect? But now that I out values first, I have so much more self control I have found a girl who seems to be anti-state and seemingly agreed with me politicall…
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 12:19 PM
1

I don’t understand the analogy, how does that show similarity to divorce?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:50 AM
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Blue pulled in which way though? I recognise the whole CC and hypergamy stuff But I also recognise that this is a psychological and incentive issue? There is a difference between an Instagram CC rider and a girl who is actively looking for a relationship and keeping her body count low? Isn’t the state the one that wants to incentivise women to divorce? Not all women themselves? Because remember, not all women are feminists? So in this case, what would be the best way to raise children given that…
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:43 AM
1

Massively appreciate this dude Yeah my family, well at least my dad don’t know about her yet. So I’m vetting her personally So I am focusing on her actions too, rather than just talk. If the actions and words don’t consistently line up, I will have to let go of her But I am still terrified of divorce, I’ll shoot you a DM in a minutr
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:39 AM
2

Who do you feel is at the top or forefront at this push for more communism? My bet is the host of politicians pushing for more dependency on the state, rather than an “evil cabal”, they all simultaneously want more power and control? And could you please message me with a link to where you read about this in communist Russia?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:37 AM
1

So beating your wife is acceptable?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:35 AM
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Okay, could you message me a link? And doesn’t this tie in with the whole “handful of rich guys” conspiracy theory? Isn’t it the state in general that fosters this? Politician after politician? I’m not denying that there are a few powerful ones pulling the strings at the top?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:34 AM
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Yes, but can’t we discuss stuff? Doesn’t the government want men to get divorced easily so that there are no nuclear families anymore and people would rely on the state instead? And doesn’t it have a lot to do with the mentality of the girl? Isn’t there a world of difference between a college girl who is just CCing it up vs a girl who might still be in college but decides to look for a good man for a relationship?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:33 AM
2

What do you mean by that? Do you mean that it will collapse?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:31 AM
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What do you think is the best way around this? I have so much more faith in vetting and choosing a partner based on intelligence and values, rather than throwing in the towel and saying that all women are just “Instagram attention seekers”? And besides, doesn’t the state itself want smart people to not reproduce so that there would be less people to defy them?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:22 AM
1

Who is the master?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:20 AM
1

Apparent let the state still sees you as married or liable for child support/alimony if you don’t get married?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:20 AM
1

Which system?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:19 AM
1

So what is the best way of raising children?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:19 AM
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So what was meant for men? Isn’t a nuclear family the best way to raise a child? Don’t children need attachment and bonding to their parents to grow into emotionally healthy adults?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:18 AM
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So what are the options for having a family and children? We all just give up and not have kids?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:17 AM
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So what are the options for having a family and children? Doesn’t the state want you to not reproduce if you’re smart? Isn’t the last thing the state wants is more smart people to oppose them and their divorce laws?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:17 AM
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You gauge her capacity to lie by gauging how honest she is with other stuff she talks about. The more honest she is about other stuff, the less likely she will lie when it comes to body count?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:15 AM
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So is marriage and dating dead or is it more the divorce courts that destroy the incentive? And what about Paul Elam? He is a known mgtow who says that you should lead with your values, if you’re still wanting to date? And why is vetting blue pilled? Do you believe that all women are the same in terms of values or emotional health?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:14 AM
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I agree with a lot of your points It’s so depressing to just see the decline My money is on them purposefully wanting to destroy nuclear families but I agree with you that they want you to get hooked on the current marriage laws so you get divorced The incentives are fully in favour of women it seems. I am so concerned in the first place, because I have the choice of either pursuing a traditional arranged marriage from my family or taking it further with this smart girl I met at college who shar…
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:12 AM
1

So what do you reckon went wrong?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:07 AM
1

I wouldn’t of course, but isn’t the point of those arguments to say that the trains direction is the right direction, despite the potential risks? Like thy eyes always a risk of a train de-railing, but if it’s well maintained you mitigate those risks?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:07 AM
1

So marriage is dead until the state stops being involved?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:05 AM
1

Didn’t nuclear families build modern civilisation tho? Because it their stability? Aren’t extended families just a side effect of marital unions?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:04 AM
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But that’s only in so far as that he sees that white demographics vote for a smaller states, he’s not against other “races” for having families because nuclear families are an antidote to the state?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:03 AM
1

That’s terrifying
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 11:00 AM
1

Is it the whole riding the CC problem?
/r/MGTOW221/06/20 11:00 AM
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Hey dude, sorry for my late response, I’ve been quite busy So you would prefer a love marriage over an arranged marriage? Personally, the only reason I would pursue an arranged marriage is due to me being terrified of divorce? However I feel that my parents would control my life in an arranged marriage and I might not be attracted to or have any chemistry to an arranged marriage wife?
/r/MGTOW221/06/20 10:54 AM
1

How old is too old for women in their 20s?
/r/MGTOW218/06/20 03:53 AM
2

Can you elaborate on whether it’s more worth it to pursue a love marriage if you vet your partner really well or whether to go for an arranged one due to family pressure and a low divorce rate? I thought Indians were doing well with such a low divorce rate?
/r/MGTOW218/06/20 03:29 AM
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But isn’t that what vetting is for?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 09:03 PM
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Stefan argued that just because the incentive to divorce is there, that not every woman would use that power? Why give up all hope on marriage just because the state wants us to? Don’t you see that the state has made marriage so hard so we give up on having nuclear families so that we rely even more on the state?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 09:03 PM
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So you really believe that Muslims have it right with how they deal with marriage? I am for a stay at home wife, but total control and physical hitting? Why would that be right?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 09:01 PM
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Why though? How would you look for someone based on values? Would you say that tinder is a place to look for someone who has good values? Because I feel that soooooo many people make the mistake of going on dating apps to find someone with good values?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 09:00 PM
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Is there no way to get unofficially married? What would the best option be to raise a family and be “married” in the current climate if you still want to try to do it without involving the state? Aren’t we just capitulating to the state by not getting married? Isn’t that what the state wants? For people to not have nuclear families anymore so we get more dependent on welfare?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 08:59 PM
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Okay but I am on the fence about whether he’s right or wrong I still have the benefit of the doubt, because I feel that it’s the state that ruined marriage? And there’s two ways we can circumvent this? Either get unofficially married if possible Or do heavy vetting and withholding sex until you have vetted her very well and are sure you want to be with this woman?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 08:58 PM
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But isn’t this because of the sta te ruining marriage? Not marriage being bad in itself? Hasn’t marriage played a historical role in keeping society stable? Hasn’t it been only recent where feminists have worked their way into divorce court and absolutely ruined marriage?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 08:55 PM
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But isn’t that what vetting is for? You make sure you get to know her very well and then decide whether to go for it or not? Why have sex and get anchored to an emotionally unstable attractive woman and then end up divorced If you can make sure to really get to know the woman first, withhold sex so you don’t let her use sex to make you overlook her personality and then decide in the end whether to go for it or she seems right? The arranged marriage seems so loveless and depressing to me? I hones…
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 08:53 PM
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I have much more faith in the arranged marriage as the woman would come from a culture where divorce is taboo And she would be close to my family as well? I know this sounds horrible but her coming from the third world would make her dependent on me, this is why I don’t favour it because I don’t like someone being dependent on me for survival? It seems exploitative?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 08:52 PM
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How else are we supposed to raise a family tho? There has to be a way around this? Not all girls are insta gram “thots” or emotionally vapid people? Besides, isn’t it possible to get unofficially married?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 08:50 PM
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Looooool 😂 That’s funny 😂 But seriously tho, I’ve listened to HOURS of Stefans podcasts and a lot of his podcasts on MGTOW and marriage and I think how vetting works would be this: -Don’t prioritise looks before valued -Make sure you know what values you desire before seeking them out -Then, talk to her, understand what kind of person she is, what she cares about; if it’s a clear narcissist who only values her looks, Red flag ;if it’s someone you can have deep conversations with about important …
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 08:49 PM
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So there’s really no hope for marriage in the west? What about his arguments about the divorce rate? How it heavily depends on vetting and choosing a partner with a low body count? He’s not saying there’s no risk, there will always be risk, but that the statistics show that the risk decreases especially for partners with low n counts. And then after comes the work of vetting and finding someone with good values?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 08:41 PM
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I believe that this is quite simplistic though? Doesn’t it have more to do with the character of the woman and trying to not involve the state into your marriage if possible?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 08:39 PM
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So no hope of marriage in the western world at all? Is there no way to get unofficially married without involving the state?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 08:38 PM
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Okay I understand, but I disagree. Didn’t the government practically ruin marriage with all the laws making it Russian roulette for men? Not marriage itself? That’s why o still believe in marriage but I’m trying my best to either remove the state’s involvement or reduce risk by hard vetting and no sex before marriage or at least have sex if I have vetted very hard?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 08:38 PM
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No no, I totally understand that blindly following love is very dangerous. Also, when you mentioned my smiley vetting the girl, did you mean this for the arranged marriage case or a girlfriend from the west? Or both? For the arranged marriage case, I feel that my parents would be desperate to get me to marry arranged because it would be a girl trom the same ethnicity? While with a girlfriend it’s a totally new girl? Currently the girl and I are having lots of conversations about politics and I’m…
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 08:36 PM
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So I would be better off marrying a Virgin from the third world in an arranged marriage? Even tho it would be loveless? How else am I supposed to raise a family? I’m not sure I just want to have casual sex for the rest of my life and not have any form of relationship? And me too dude, big Stefan fan. Only conflicted about marriage with him Because he does say that is men choose our wives based on looks and sex first rather than whether she is a good person with good values? And I understand that…
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 08:31 PM
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Couple be posted it on ex-redpill too? But wanted to hear your guys perspective?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 08:27 PM
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Even if his arguments hold water?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 08:27 PM
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Did you choose your wife based on how hot she was or based on her mindset and values? How long did you talk to her before having sex?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 01:55 PM
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Why is this downvoted? A lot of footballers go for looks over mindset?
/r/MGTOW12/06/20 01:18 PM
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Do they know her past?
/r/MGTOW10/06/20 12:03 PM
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Are black people apes?
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 07:25 AM
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Any sources?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 09:29 AM
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I vouch for this
/r/ExRedPill12/05/20 08:02 AM
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I’ve had this happen to me recently, I’m still in the dating scene because I’m not too sure about full mgtow. Any tips?
/r/MGTOW04/04/20 12:52 AM
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True
/r/MGTOW22/03/20 12:14 PM
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Exactly, never met a girl on there who straight up wanted to have sex right away. Unless she wasn’t that attractive and even that was hard
/r/MGTOW22/03/20 05:23 AM
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I know plenty of white single moms?
/r/MGTOW23/12/19 12:56 PM
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This is a very good answer
/r/ExRedPill08/10/19 09:42 PM
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The problem is that we’re in close proximity to each other so not sure if I can go out in a Lil and ask her out because it brings everything to light and could make it very awkward if it doesn’t work out And I’m honestly sick and tired of chasing her up and trying to get her to like me, she really doesn’t seem to be in to me despite the signals she sent me in the past? And I feel that the more I try to talk to her the more she hates me??
/r/ExRedPill08/10/19 09:42 PM
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I’m just worried that if I be my real self, I would seem uninterested in her as I’m a quiet person sometimes? But on the other hand when I feel like showing off my personality I seem overly funny and obnoxious sometimes? I honestly don’t know, I feel like I can’t control her, all I can do is just try to talk to her and express interest?
/r/ExRedPill08/10/19 06:06 AM
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What do you mean by comebackable? I feel like it’s so awkward talking to her as it seems like I’m hitting in her every time I try to strike up a conversation? I have sort of not shown interest to sort of give the impression that I don’t care whether she likes me or not but in reality I actually do? At the moment it feels like she doesn’t really like me but that all I can do is put my personality out there and make her decide? I even think I ruined the vibe with her because it seems as if I’m bei…
/r/ExRedPill08/10/19 12:39 AM
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Being myself means not pretending to be someone I’m not in order to attract her Or not forcing her to like me by being forcefully funny in a jerky way? It almost seems as if being a jerk is what works sometimes?
/r/ExRedPill08/10/19 12:32 AM
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I feel like she notices when I try to force a funny conversation with her or force myself to flirt with her? It doesn’t seem like our conversations flow naturally? But I don’t want to be like the other guy and force flirting and joking with her? She seemed to be more curious when I was just open and being myself?
/r/ExRedPill07/10/19 12:29 AM
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Do you reckon the best bet is to just be myself and strike up conversations with her but be neutral and not force anything such as being forcefully charming? I actually believe he devalues his attention as she still hasn’t given into him making quite obvious moves to her? However her finding it funny just seems like she is more into him and she seems to talk to him more than me? Which makes me feel like I’ve alienated her by pretending to not care?
/r/ExRedPill07/10/19 12:22 AM
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It’s just annoying because I feel like she gets the impression that I’m a boring person if I’m just being myself and not constantly chasing her to talk to her or flirt with her?
/r/ExRedPill06/10/19 03:54 PM
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So what about tinder? Don’t most FEB situations come from there?
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy06/10/19 01:35 PM
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Yes that’s the worst case scenario, having her fall for the false persona I’ve displayed to her rather than who I actually am? I will see this girl frequently so I don’t think it’s a good idea to put on a false persona as that would have to be maintained for a long time
/r/ExRedPill06/10/19 12:55 PM
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Betrayed and lied to that’s for sure
/r/ExRedPill06/10/19 12:54 PM
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That’s what I mean, I want it to be natural and not forced just so she can like me?
/r/ExRedPill06/10/19 12:53 PM
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Really agree, not good in the long run
/r/ExRedPill06/10/19 12:53 PM
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That’s amazing advise, it just feels like a lot of guys put up this front of being charming and amazing and it’s just exhausting to me to do the same? And it’s very true to be dishonest that I don’t care about her but at the same time dumping my feelings into her and pressuring her to make a decision is bad as well I think the best thing I can do is just be myself and enjoy her company and show her that I like her but don’t put her on the spot to make any decisions I think I don’t even have to t…
/r/ExRedPill06/10/19 12:53 PM
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I honestly feel like I’m missing out on building rapport with her by not forcing myself to be funny and flirt with her?
/r/ExRedPill06/10/19 12:01 AM
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The problem is I’m not sure whether she would even want a relationship? Even if I would go for a hook up I still wouldn’t want to be myself? Is it not possible to go for a hookup while still just being myself? Because what if the hook up turns more serious?
/r/ExRedPill05/10/19 11:58 PM
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Thank you cause it almost feels as if I have to put on this extravert, funny persona just to try to get her to like me and I really hate it? It almost seems as if a lot of guys do this and the other guy currently seems to be doing this? But it upsets me because it feels like he’s building more rapport with her while I’m waiting for her to like me?
/r/ExRedPill05/10/19 11:40 PM
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Thank you
/r/ExRedPill05/10/19 11:39 PM
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I am honestly waiting to see how long the other guy can keep it up because to me he’s putting in a lot of effort just to be entertaining and funny when he doesn’t really feel like it deep down it seems but does it just to get with this girl? The girl does seem to be open when I’m being myself but I just haven’t had the chance to talk to her more? Would it be a mistake on my part to try and get her to like me or should I just be totally myself and she decides whether she likes me or not?
/r/ExRedPill05/10/19 11:38 PM
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How would I truly get over he feeling of being really physically attracted to her but her not being into me or being a good fit for me relationship wise?
/r/ExRedPill05/10/19 11:10 PM
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Haha that made me laugh, she probably does but it just feels like she is having so much more fun with the other guy trying to force the jokes and flirting on to her, while I’m all reserved and pretend not to care if she doesn’t talk to me? But at the same time I just can’t give in to that type of behaviour no more? I really just want to be liked for who I really am?
/r/ExRedPill05/10/19 10:51 PM
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Very true, you have to find out if you would be compatible with each other beyond the looks
/r/ExRedPill05/10/19 10:50 PM
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Thank you, this gives me a lot of optimism because you’re very right, it’s very depressing to always far this barrier that feels like you’re not allowed to be yourself to attract girls, hey you almost always have to put on a fake persona?
/r/ExRedPill05/10/19 10:49 PM
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This is exactly what I feel it would lead to if I wasn’t being myself with her from the start? But it does user me because it’s almost as if not being yourself gets you more? At least in the short while?
/r/ExRedPill05/10/19 10:48 PM
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My problem is that I am avoiding showing her who I really am out of fear of turning her off? I can be quite wacky and wild with my male friends but reserved when it comes to speaking to women? But it’s also because I just want to be myself and not force myself to be a comedian when talking to them to force flirting?
/r/ExRedPill05/10/19 10:47 PM
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I feel that I would be boring because I don’t want to be entertaining just so that she would like me? I want the jokes and funniness to come naturally?
/r/ExRedPill05/10/19 10:45 PM
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Thanks a lot guys, it almost has me feeling like not being myself just to get with this girl and it is this that would make me slide back into the red pill?
/r/ExRedPill05/10/19 10:44 PM
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Thank you so much, you don’t know how invaluable your insight is to me I was so horny today and was really on the fence about just doing the deed and getting over with it. Brit as soon as I masturbated and my horniness got away I straight away started to berate myself in my mind for even considering going to a prostitute Jus the amount of money I would lose and waste. There are actual cheap escorts there and I as well suspected that they might be drug addicted but totally didn’t suspect any pimp…
/r/ExRedPill23/08/19 11:43 PM
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I am very tempted to just go to a prostitute? What would you say to to not recommend it?
/r/ExRedPill22/08/19 10:48 PM
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I was almost considering going to an escort tomorrow because the urge is just too great But like you say, the emotional intimacy is not there, that’s why o really miss the last girl I slept with because we were really emotionally intimate with each other but I just couldn’t let myself get into a relationship with her because I just didn’t have that faith in her that she would be good for me in the long run and for a relationship (single mom,emotionally unstable) And if I had sex again that desir…
/r/ExRedPill20/08/19 11:31 PM
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I wanted a relationship with the last girl I had sex with but she was emotionally unstable and a single mom I make t a point to not get into a serious relationship with a single mom because I don’t think it is fair to take the burden of taking care of someone else’s kid?
/r/ExRedPill20/08/19 11:27 PM
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That’s very well said
/r/ExRedPill20/08/19 11:02 PM
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I would say I crave romance and intimacy but I am worried that if I get intimate with a girl, she won’t like me for the person who I am or see how flawed I am? So any time I have send with girls, it’s not really hat intimate save for the last time I had sex? I do think I get this thought patterns you mentioned, it just feels like everyone is having sex as much as they want and getting all this intimacy in relationships while I’m here starving for both?
/r/ExRedPill20/08/19 10:54 PM
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Br masturbation only stills the sea drive for a day or two, heck sometimes only just a few hours until I get horny again? I honestly feel the urge to have actual real sex, I’ve only felt satisfied after I had full sex, then I wouldn’t feel like having sex for like 3 to 4 days until I get very horny again? I am in this constant cycle of masturbating to get rid of my horniness? Or either I keep seeking sex to get rid of the horniness? I think I’ve wasted all that time and could’ve searched for som…
/r/ExRedPill20/08/19 10:37 PM
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As they say in he TRP sphere, I’m worried going to an escort would ruin my relationship market value? It would just highlight how desperate my sex drive can make me sometimes? I would say that the last time I had sex I was very attracted to the girl but she was absolutely awful at it, I had to take control of the sex but as soon as I did she felt uncomfortable with it, so in all honesty, I wasn’t enjoying the sex as much as I’d like to And I have slept with women I wouldn’t be attracted to it I …
/r/ExRedPill20/08/19 10:34 PM
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I can abstain from masturbation but my main problem is constantly seeking sex and potential hook ups not in real life but on dating and hook up apps? If it was real life I probably wouldn’t have complained so much as I might’ve been able to get laid. But because of my circumstances I can’t even go to a girls house at night without raising suspicion
/r/ExRedPill20/08/19 10:31 PM
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Because I am having a lot of trouble deciding to settle for a person if you now what I mean? I feel that the girls that are into me want relationships and I am only mostly interested in sex with them and would want to pursue relationships with girls I am more interested in?
/r/ExRedPill20/08/19 10:13 PM
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I thought it was a loserish thing to do? Doesn’t society hate people that pay for sex?
/r/ExRedPill20/08/19 09:13 PM
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I felt that your wife would probably want to know your sexual history, wouldn’t it come up at some point?
/r/ExRedPill20/08/19 09:12 PM
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But isn’t that bad for an important relationship like marriage? Wouldn’t my wife want to know my sexual history?
/r/ExRedPill20/08/19 09:12 PM
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Exactly, I want to have sex but I shame myself for it and I am worried about other people shaming me for it too
/r/ExRedPill20/08/19 08:21 PM
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It’s just something that I would remember for the rest of my life? I feel that I would lose respect for myself paying for sex?
/r/ExRedPill20/08/19 08:12 PM
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I’m trying to stay private which is why I can’t talk about my circumstances but all I can say is that I don’t have enough privacy to go and meet girls or stay over at their place I am actually so tempted to find an escort but won’t I have to talk about this in the future with my wife? And wouldn’t my wife be put off by it? It’s not something I would want to keep secret for the rest of my life if I would be married?
/r/ExRedPill20/08/19 08:00 PM
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Change in what ways? It really does seem like girls just care about money and muscles?
/r/ExRedPill19/08/19 08:43 PM
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The whole mgtow community is about fear mongering about women
/r/ExRedPill17/08/19 12:17 AM
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It’s all a terrible circus I’ve actually discovers that even if a girl is super hot, if she can’t engage with you emotionally and if it takes you hoops to jump just to talk to her, how in the hell would that ever be worth it and how in the hell would you ever feel good enough for her? The answer is you won’t, there are girls and men out there for whom you could never be enough because they can’t genuinely love you or themselves which is where all of this stems from They can only love he outer yo…
/r/ExRedPill17/08/19 12:17 AM
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I think I want to get married because of wanting to build a family but I can’t deny that there isn’t a part of me that wants to get married because of me getting older and to not be left behind when it comes to getting married?
/r/ExRedPill17/08/19 12:10 AM
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That’s he problem, too many face value advises given out at that community, I need to take he time to make up my own mind rather Han give in to their narrative
/r/ExRedPill17/08/19 12:09 AM
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So why do so many women make it a life goal to get married if it’s such a bum deal?
/r/ExRedPill17/08/19 12:08 AM
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I agree with your point but why paint a view point as immature and selfish? What does that have to do with an actual viewpoint and why would it be relevant? I can understand why you would call it selfish but don’t you see why I find it so risky to get married, it’s because spotlighting up will cause so many problems But I do still wonder, is it then not possible at all to be married by name and not involve the legal and financial side at all? Because all this time I thought it was the government…
/r/ExRedPill17/08/19 12:07 AM
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Which right and property property protection?
/r/ExRedPill17/08/19 12:05 AM
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I don’t understand why can’t people be together without singing a contract and involving a law and still call themselves married? That’s what I ultimately want because like you say, signing a contract that seems risky is what puts me off of marriage? It just turns into a financial spectacle rather than a promise from the bottom of each other’s heart to be together for each other? But I do appreciate you highlighting how courts are actually fair because the mgtow community does not talk about thi…
/r/ExRedPill17/08/19 12:02 AM
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Thank you
/r/ExRedPill16/08/19 11:52 PM
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What advise would you I’ve in regards to marriage? Is it possible to not involve the state and have an informal marriage?
/r/ExRedPill16/08/19 11:51 PM
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But why are mgtow men so convinced women will always turn your back on you and are disloyal?
/r/ExRedPill16/08/19 11:48 PM
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That’s what I mean 50% is ridiculously high? All that I would’ve worked for in my career would be gone if I get divorce raped? Br I do actually want to get married, just not sign my stuff away if I get divorced?
/r/ExRedPill16/08/19 11:43 AM
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Definitely, they say that they’re not intel’s but even if they aren’t it’s still protecting a wounded ego
/r/ExRedPill16/08/19 11:42 AM
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Thank you, it warms my heart that it’s not always about looks and that you guys do feel used. I hate the whole shallow looks only attitude I used to have and was cultivated by mgtow and the red pill, it made me treat women like pure sex objects and only have interest in them in as far as how good they look which was terrible I actually all along wanted to enjoy the company of women and I loved women but I just felt used by certain particular girls for attention but I think it was my own fault fo…
/r/ExRedPill16/08/19 11:41 AM
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Very much agree I should’ve cut ties earlier or called her out on her behaviour
/r/ExRedPill15/08/19 08:06 AM
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I do want to get married but not formally? Like not involve the state of that’s possible?
/r/ExRedPill15/08/19 08:06 AM
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That’s very true and it’s very true that mgtow isn’t just anti marriage it’s anti women and any form of relationships with them
/r/ExRedPill15/08/19 08:05 AM
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Yes but I’ve heard pre nips are quite useless because they frequently get overruled?
/r/ExRedPill15/08/19 07:01 AM
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That’s exactly why I want to stay away from red pill and mgtow, they just blame all of their problems on women’s and over generalise them
/r/ExRedPill15/08/19 06:51 AM
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And that’s very true
/r/ExRedPill15/08/19 06:50 AM
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Yes makes a lot of sense, I feel like I’ve gotten caught up in confusion So many people on red pill or even purple pill debate always talk about how you can’t “beta orbit” or try to friend your way into a woman’s pants but it never made sense to me This mindset actually hindered my dating life a lot and made me not be friends with women as much Which I should’ve done as it makes sense to me to be friends with a woman first if you’re attracted to her The main reason I believed these people was be…
/r/ExRedPill15/08/19 06:49 AM
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So how can you meet your needs if you don’t have a true self? How would you even know what your needs are?
/r/ExRedPill15/08/19 06:39 AM
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But what about the people that say that you shouldn’t befriend women you want to fuck?
/r/ExRedPill15/08/19 12:25 AM
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Why is it wrong to befriend women if you’re attracted to them? Can’t you control this attraction and just still appreciate the person they are without making any moves?
/r/ExRedPill14/08/19 04:05 PM
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It’s not that bad, like yesterday there was a girl who barely put in any effort and didn’t even reply, so I’ve just deleted her and stopped pursuing her. But with other girls it’s hit and miss, it’s always me carrying the conversation and asking questions. As soon as I don’t ask questions I know the conversation will die, but they keep replying which indicates interest to me even tho it’s not fully a two way street? And the reason I stick around is because my tinder ELO score is completely broke…
/r/ExRedPill14/08/19 12:41 PM
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I think I have been clingy when texting, like I expect a reply all the time or feel that I said something that came across wrong and then constantly apologise I haven’t been pushy with meeting up at all. But the thing is, I myself try to turn the conversation interesting, it’s always me that asks the questions and I don’t want to jump into shared personal interests straight away if we can’t even talk about he little things like education, work or places you’ve travelled to In most cases I find t…
/r/ExRedPill14/08/19 11:29 AM
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I really agree with you about the validation part, I think my issue is generalising all women as attention and validation seekers and then staying away from them as a result instead of treating each one as an individual and see if they do that to me or not And that’s true not all of them are the same, we just pay attention to the bad ones which is why
/r/ExRedPill14/08/19 11:24 AM
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Still don’t really understand what you mean?
/r/ExRedPill14/08/19 11:22 AM
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What do you mean by culturallly stuck with a person they don’t like, do you mean an arranged marriage?
/r/ExRedPill14/08/19 12:41 AM
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But don’t you and also the red pill community slander guys for befriending girls if they want to fuck them?
/r/ExRedPill14/08/19 12:40 AM
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That’s my biggest issue, I barely have female friends because of my own personal history and issues and then Red pill and Mgtow making it worse? So all along I’ve relied on hooking up from night game and then I push away the girls that are actually interested because I mistrust them?
/r/ExRedPill14/08/19 12:38 AM
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The thing is, o feel that if I approach girls platonically, they would just want to keep me as a friend and always see me as a friend? Rather than a potential love interest?
/r/ExRedPill13/08/19 12:16 PM
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I tho k that is unrealistic though, you will always have biases, you’re not a robot, you’ll have your previous experiences that will influence what you expect from people but that’s not to say that you shouldn’t treat them neutrally but just saying I think that’s unrealistic
/r/ExRedPill13/08/19 12:15 PM
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I think you do have to improve your life but not yourself, you should accept yourself for the person you are. You can’t change who you are deep down inside but you can change your behaviour. I say this because there are a lot of men out there who change who they are and conform and sacrifice themselves just to be with women and I think that’s wrong I do agree about therapy
/r/ExRedPill13/08/19 08:32 AM
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I see what you mean, I just feel that because of my social life being bad due to mental health that I am missing out on relationships especially and rely too much on dating apps to make up for it Dating apps are a pain because they are designed to extract money for you while giving you the least in return, I’m lucky some of the girls I have been speaking to seemed sensible and decent, a lot of them won’t even reply or seem very narcissistic
/r/ExRedPill13/08/19 12:11 AM
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The problem is, I have had a lot of animosity and distrust towards women due to my own negative experiences with them throughout my life And in addition to this, I myself struggle with mental health quite a bit which reinforces my problems with trusting women But I make the mistake of chasing emotionally unavailable women myself so I could say that would be one aspect that is a problem? I disagree with the statement “be someone there want to be around” I feel that this implies that I shouldn’t b…
/r/ExRedPill13/08/19 12:09 AM
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I highly agree with this, but why does it still seem like you believe that I want to use dishonest means to obtain sex? Didn’t I explain earlier that I’m not intending to manipulate my way into sex but at the same time I feel like full disclosure of yours intentions seems awkward if it’s too overt?
/r/ExRedPill12/08/19 02:07 AM
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Thank you, I agree that feelings are important and I hate how TRP preaches that feelings should be extinguished, they have got it totally wrong, no wonder they end up feeling empty and meaningless in the end But o could agree with you in that I feel more taken for granted than taken advantage of, that’s probably what I meant all along? I don’t believe in selflessness, I believe that you should be yourself no matter what but I can appreciate the compliment
/r/ExRedPill11/08/19 11:25 AM
1

It’s weird, I’m not trying to be nice to instil guilt and be covertly controlling. I’m just being genuinely nice as a baseline for my interaction with her? I just want to be the person I am without having to hide myself or manipulate the other person which is what TRP teaches? But I agree with you that it’s probably rare for girls on tinder to have sex on the first date straight away, they probably want to date diet most of the time to build trust and comfort with you
/r/ExRedPill11/08/19 09:35 AM
1

So you’re trying to tell me, tinder, a hook up app, isn’t even used for hookups by 98% of women? So there exist no women who enjoy causal sex?aren’t you yourself painting all women as a monolith by saying that? I do agree that sex has a higher emotional toll for women and sometimes even if they hook up on a night out they regret it but I doubt that women themselves don’t want or enjoy casual sex at all?
/r/ExRedPill11/08/19 09:29 AM
1

It is okay to feel angry and it is okay to have these thoughts, you can’t change how you feel or what you’re thinking. You can only either suppress it or be aware of it and suppressing it will lead to more self inner isolation. But here’s the difference, it’s your actions that matter, just because you feel angry doesn’t mean that you have the right to act it out and take it out on others and you also shouldn’t suppress it and let it go against yourself. But fully feeling it and understanding the…
/r/ExRedPill11/08/19 09:25 AM
1

Yeah I actually agree with you but believe me I’m not being nice just for the sake of getting into her pants, it’s just that I feel like I’m being out last because of being nice? And it’s true that it’s other men who shame you for being the “nice guy” and not strictly treat these girls only for sex? And I agree that tinder isn’t just a hook up app but it primarily is, it’s the default expectation which is why but I agree with you that girls don’t need tinder to get laid, all they have to do is t…
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 08:07 PM
1

No I actually agree with you about the red pill contradiction that a women then is blamed for being damaged goods if she decides to sleep around or have sex on the first date But the point is, I’m only in the area for a couple of months and I won’t be likely to come back for a very long time, so a relationship would just not work really. And besides that I can understand if she wants commitment from me because almost all girls I’ve had sex with wanted commitment so it’s true that women are more …
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 07:45 PM
1

This is the pattern that keeps happening Match with a girl on tinder, talk to her for a while, out effort into the conversations even to the point where it’s draining me because my tinder algorithm is shit so I can’t take my matches for granted and try to preserve them So I at least try to show them I’m a quality guy and I genuinely want to be nice, I don’t like mind games or any of the sort But when all is said and done, they usually are “too busy” to meet up or they will “let me know” so I gen…
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 07:35 PM
3

Wel what else can I do? I already told these women that I’m not likely to be in a relationship because of my circumstances but they are still okay with meeting up for dates?so I agree with the previous poster that sometimes girls go on dates to scope you out first before jumping into bed with you Even when girls say they want to sleep with you right away it’s most likely just a rash decision based off of being horny, as soon as that hormones wears off they most likely will flake or ghost you or …
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 07:28 PM
0

That’s the whole point, I want to be nice but I feel like I’m being taken for granted? And because of that it turns me bitter again and makes me start to believe in red pill concepts again which I don’t want I actually genuinely want to be nice but I feel like if you’re nice you will be taken advantage of and just lead on
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 07:24 PM
1

Exactly it looks weird if you bring it up without even meeting them in person but at the same time not try to obscure it ether so I agree, I’ve told some of the girls this now so I feel better about myself and don’t feel like I’m leading them on But I totally agree, it’s okay to go on a date and not expect a serious relationship right off the bat it’s normal
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 04:19 PM
1

This is exactly what I mean because we’re already on tinder nothing is assumed to be serious right from the start? So why ruin it for yourself and bring it up? It only embarrasses the girls if you tell them you don’t consider them for a serious relationship?
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 03:02 PM
1

Okay that clears things up pretty much I just thought sometimes girls don’t want to be clear about hongs because hey don’t want to admit that they want hookups? Because they could get called out for being promiscuous and everything?
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 01:58 PM
1

I don’t understand tho, can’t I just tell her this when I finally go on a date and then explain my situation and see where we stand? Why does everything have to be so clear and definite early? If I go on a date isn’t a relationship not expected right out of the gate? But I think I agree with you it’s best to be clear early on, it’s not good to lead people on and I do think she wants a relationship which is why she’s been holding back from inviting me over to her place
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 01:43 PM
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Yes but she expects a relationship after? Like the other poster said, I should be up front about my intentions and not make her believe I will fill in go for a relationship?
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 01:30 PM
2

Yeah I’ve just messaged her just awaiting her response now, I already told her earlier and at first she ignored it but when I brought it up again she said that she said that it would be a waste of time to meet if I wasn’t going to go for a relationship But I think she said that because she thought I was totally closed off to a relationship and not open to it which is why?
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 01:28 PM
0

Because she expects a relationship and I’m not in the area for a long time?
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 01:16 PM
3

Also the reason I’m not being up front with my intentions anymore is because tinder algorithm is absolutely gone to shit, so can’t just jump straight into sex like that?
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 01:15 PM
1

The thing is though, I feel like these girls want dates because of wanting to preserve their self respect, they don’t want to jump into bed with anyone right away? They want to at least go on a date or two before you sleep with them? So being up front with your intentions might ruin that? Because I feel like they would rather not talk about it but see how it goes? I’ve told her anyways so fingers crossed what she says
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 01:14 PM
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Okay I will do this because otherwise it feels wrong
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 01:07 PM
1

The problem is though I’m not going to be in the area for a long time soon and will a lot farther away so it would be very hard and rare that I would be able to see her. Which is why I told her that it would’ve been hard to go for a relationship? But what would she rather have me do? Lie about that and hide that fact?
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 01:07 PM
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Isn’t it ridiculous though, like tinder is primarily a hook up app, so that should be expected right out of the gate? But at the same time she knows I wouldn’t jump into a relationship with her straight away she probably just meant that it’s a waste of time if I’m not at least open to a relationship?
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 11:51 AM
1

She seems like she wants a relationship because we’ve been talking for a while and when I told her that o might not be able to get into a relationship because of circumstances, she told me that it’s a waste of time to meet if I’m not going to be in a relationship? But I agree with you, I shouldn’t stress out about this because I can’t control her and you’re right real life is way easier than dating apps or tinder, but I basically have a bad social life and I can’t go to bars or clubbing much the…
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 11:27 AM
1

Is it also possible that she doesn’t want to be seen as a slut if she sleeps with me on the first date? We haven’t met for a first date yet and she told me she wanted a relationship if we were going to meet?
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 11:15 AM
2

Yeah but I came to ask this on extrp for a reason because I don’t really subscribe to RP beliefs no more? But I can agree that she is weighing her options, o think it’s my own fault for being to nice and coming across as a nice guy? But I just don’t want to be the “asshole” TRP tells you you “have to” be in order to be successful with women?
/r/ExRedPill10/08/19 10:23 AM
2

That’s the problem with TRP, either you become huge muscle wise or you are missing out on the dating scene?
/r/ExRedPill04/08/19 06:48 AM
1

Thank you, I am so glad you share my viewpoint as this is the problem with TRP. TRP attaches that you as a person don’t matter and that all you can hope for to attract someone is to have looks, money or status but then they don’t realise that they attract the wrong people with this mindset who precisely can only care about looks, money and status At the end of the day it’s about who really cares about you
/r/ExRedPill04/08/19 06:47 AM
3

That’s fair enough, everyone has different interests and things that satisfy them but there are people out there who don’t live life for themselves but for the approval of other people
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 09:12 PM
6

Love this, I hate the middle class “keeping up appearances” game a lot of married couples play at, its anti genuine life it’s all for the image and for what other people think about them
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 06:37 PM
1

Thank you, noted
/r/ExRedPill03/08/19 10:02 AM
2

I really agree with what you wrote and really appreciate the answer. I can relate too that when I’m desperate looks start to matter more and I become superficial I think the more genuine I am with myself the more I can bring out the genuiness in other people even if they are sure attractive or superficial to start with? I felt that when I approached super attractive women, they didn’t shut me down right away or they gave me a chance because I wasn’t intimidated by them and just went for what I w…
/r/ExRedPill03/08/19 10:01 AM
1

Makes sense, thank you
/r/ExRedPill03/08/19 09:57 AM
1

That makes sense, I can project superficiality myself at times so I need to be aware of not doing that myself
/r/ExRedPill03/08/19 08:44 AM
1

I have had sex before but I would say that I wasn’t in their league and could’ve done better, not to sound superficial or anything? So I made the mistake of saying that I felt like all women would reject me if I approached them with my phhsique. I think I more meant to say that it’s more either “hot” women like 8-9/10s or even women in my league like 6-7/10s. Who would reject me for my physique provided that most of the time they would value looks first and then personality?
/r/ExRedPill03/08/19 08:43 AM
1

Thank you this makes sense
/r/ExRedPill03/08/19 08:41 AM
5

This makes sense, thank you. I wouldn’t say I’m using girls, more that I’m not ready to jump into a relationship straight away so would want to date around. Which would mean that I might be sleeping around quite a lot But I can’t deny that I myself can be superficial and attracted to “hot” women, but I do value a good personality. It’s just that I don’t want to be stuck in the zone where I only find or seek out emotionally damaged or narcissistic women like the other poster said. But I also can’…
/r/ExRedPill03/08/19 08:40 AM
1

Wow thank you very much, it does feel true that connection is king. Because even with my current underweight body that I display on dating profiles, they do not seem to mind as much as long as I treat them as a person and build a connection? I just have to see how they would judge me in person when I finally try to meet them because I probably would look worse in person than in pictures body wise?but I really agree with you that going to the gym for health is way better for your self esteem than…
/r/ExRedPill03/08/19 08:37 AM
2

Thank you, this is a very good response, I was worried that if I become a 9/10 on looks after I get the gym hard, that precisely I would attract dysfunctional people or people with low self esteem that would only want to use me to attempt to raise my self esteem? I don’t want to sound like a double standard hypocrite but I myself sometimes try to go for 8-9/10 women? Because I can bequite superficial myself and care about looks quite a lot but I don’t always go for “hot” women, I like cute 6-7/1…
/r/ExRedPill03/08/19 08:34 AM
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Thank you, I think it depends on the girls mentality really, there are a lot of shallow people out there but it’s not them that I want to attract which is why
/r/ExRedPill02/08/19 08:51 PM
2

Thank you this is quite a good response
/r/ExRedPill02/08/19 08:50 PM
-1

I don’t believe in the whole discipline and will power thing because hen it feels like it’s something that you force on yourself, I would go to the gym genuinely because I want to and feel like not because I’m expected to by the people around me?
/r/ExRedPill02/08/19 08:49 PM
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I feel like women won’t even give me a chance because of me being underweight? I can’t even approach them? I straight away feel like I’m not in their league, almost as if I’ve got to get my physique in order first before I approach them?
/r/ExRedPill02/08/19 08:48 PM
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It’s not a bad thing, o just feel that the more I prioritise looks, the more I attract girls who only care about looks and will get used for it?
/r/ExRedPill02/08/19 08:46 PM
1

Fitted clothes? Whenever I wear clothes that fit quite tight it just makes it stand out how skinny I am and makes me look worse?
/r/askTRP23/07/19 12:19 AM
1

So he can’t enjoy his money? I’d rather flash all this money and not give anyone a dime, frustrated the gold diggers even more not getting what they want
/r/askTRP03/05/19 10:20 AM
3

Completely disagree, I’ve developed love for women I’ve been with sure But are you going to tell me you would unconditionally love a women regardless of her looks or her behaviour?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 04:44 PM
11

This is very true, even though I’ve dabbled into MGTOW and TRP a lot, this is one of my main gripes that doesn’t seem right to me Unconditional love is only for children, it makes zero sense to expect it as an adultThe only logical reason why you would still expect it as an adult is to still have that longing for unconditional love since you missed out on it in childhood?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 01:26 PM
1

I used to be an orbiter because I met a lot of female friends through her but eventually it wasn’t worth it because I wanted to have sex with either her or her friends? You gotta have the halls to seduce and not waste your time It’s fine being friends with women on the basis that you don’t want to fuck then under any circumstances, my friendship with them was fine when I didn’t want to have sex with them until I did and stopped giving them so much validation and attention They were just stringin…
/r/askTRP30/04/19 01:32 AM
1

Not worth it in any way? Even if I keep it to anal sex or she decides to use birth control? Overall just for the fact that she’s a single mother it means that she would be much more motivated to trap me?
/r/ExRedPill30/04/19 12:37 AM
1

You are 100% right about me not going to be able to handle this mentally if she gets pregnant, I would totally lose my mind even if it’s not a big surprise to me I think I would be too paranoid to have sex with no additional birth control, I use good quality condoms but that doesn’t mean the can’t fail, I just never want to take that risk It’s more so the fact that she would never consider an abortion even if the father is just a fuckbuddy and never wanted a relationship If a girl wants to keep …
/r/askTRP29/04/19 07:28 PM
2

I think she told me on the first date to test me and see if I would still want to stick with her or not, but I just wanted to have sex and not a relationship at all. It was more her trying to weed me out I think I will stop seeing her regardless because not wanting to have an abortion and not using any birth control is just a risk I can’t take
/r/askTRP29/04/19 04:14 PM
1

What’s sperm harvesting? I know you can put sperm in a sleek hank but what if it’s not enough to get a future wife pregnant and say my vasectomy is irreversible in an unlucky circumstance?
/r/askTRP29/04/19 02:47 PM
1

Yes her rapists got jailed and I don’t see a reason she would lie about it as she told me about the times she got raped and was willing to provide details, didn’t see any motivation for lying as she told me this on the first date I would’ve ran away but I thought her past shouldn’t keep her from doing things in the future and I just wanted to have sex But I will stay away because I don’t want to risk getting this girl pregnant and I want to see other girls but she wants to rope me into developin…
/r/askTRP29/04/19 01:32 PM
1

So far whenever I had long term casual sex, it’s always been while wearing a condom and the girl being on the pill, which means I could fuck however hard or intense I want Now without her being on the pill or any other birth control, it means that I have to be very careful the condominium doesn’t slip or break Just doesn’t seem worth it Should I just have anal sex with her or just totally break off the sexual relationship?
/r/askTRP29/04/19 12:24 PM
0

Agreed
/r/ExRedPill29/04/19 11:45 AM
1

What else do you want me to do? There’s no way in hell I’m even remotely ready to be a father so my only other option is not to have sex with her at all?
/r/ExRedPill29/04/19 11:40 AM
1

I should mention that she is a single mom because of being raped and deciding to keep the kid. But I didn’t mention it originally because of her not being okay with abortions regardless?
/r/askTRP29/04/19 11:37 AM
1

Point number one is very, very true Just he face that she wouldn’t abort, let alone use birth control is really dangerous She even told me she doesn’t like using condoms but there’s no way in hell I would fuck her without a condom I always ask my plates if they would consider an abortion and if they don’t I usually don’t end up fucking them no more I would want to get the snip but I’m still quite you, only 60% of snip procedures are reversible and I don’t want to risk becoming permanently infert…
/r/askTRP29/04/19 11:33 AM
1

I didn’t, we were both wearing underwear and were rubbing our pussy and dick together while I had quite a bit of precum inside my underwear, how likely is it that she could get pregnant from this?
/r/askTRP29/04/19 11:27 AM
1

What are the odds of her getting pregnant from my precum from rubbing my dick onto her pussy while we were both only wearing underwear? I had quite a bit of precum but I don’t think it stained my whole underwear? I would definitely always wear a condom and pull out but even that is a risk to me, it would mean I would have to be very careful and conscious of how I have sex and I probably wouldn’t enjoy it?
/r/askTRP29/04/19 11:24 AM
1

I always use condoms anyways but I mm not considering the ship because apparently only 60% of vasectomies are reversible? I am way to young to be permanently infertile if my vasectomy can’t be reversed I wanted to use spermicide gel but she said she might get an allergic reaction to it too, I just don’t want to sleekly felt on condoms because one mistake could ruin my entire life
/r/askTRP29/04/19 11:21 AM
1

But condoms aren’t perfect What if it accidentally slips off of my sick and gets stuck in her pussy or what if it breaks?
/r/askTRP29/04/19 11:17 AM
1

She told me she doesn’t want to try that in case she gets an allergic reaction to that too. Does the rhythm method really work?
/r/ExRedPill29/04/19 11:15 AM
1

Excellent, what if she still gets pregnant if you use a condom and birth control?
/r/askTRP29/04/19 11:14 AM
0

That’s the problem, I’ve read too much about it, and the studies say that precum can have speed in it?
/r/askTRP29/04/19 02:35 AM
1

I just feel that one form of birth control isn’t enough but if I were to have sex with her in this situation this is what I would do? I already had sex with her once while wearing a condom but I’m still paranoid pre cum might have leaked out of the condom or accidentally during foreplay?
/r/ExRedPill29/04/19 02:24 AM
1

Excellent
/r/ExRedPill29/04/19 02:23 AM
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Wait, when you say I have to be in charge of the birth control, do you mean the condoms or say her being on the pill? I always thought you could never force her to be on say the pill even if you insist on it, it still comes down to trusting her word to be on it? And about condoms, I fucked her with a condom only one time and did not cum inside her but I’m still worried pre cum might have slipped out of the condom or got on to or inside her pussy accidentally during foreplay?
/r/askTRP29/04/19 02:21 AM
1

Thank you very much, I respect you for wanting to look out for me and telling me I need to prioritise myself rather then her I keep being worried of upsetting her to not let the plate break but it has to be done I fucked her with a condom last time but I didn’t cum in her, what are the odds of precum slipping out of the condom or getting into/onto her pussy during foreplay? I checked the condom the other day and it was not broken?
/r/askTRP29/04/19 02:20 AM
1

I am ashamed of using hookers, escorts and hoes even if no one would know about it, it just communicates to me that I’m not good enough to have a girl interested in me without resorting to that? Which is why I’ve lowered my standards? But I do agree that this situation with this single mum here is dangerous? One slip up, one single sperm cell even from my precum entering her cervix and it’s over for me As a side note, how likely is it that she could get pregnant from my precum? I had a lot of pr…
/r/askTRP29/04/19 01:06 AM
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This is hilarious, but where is the main danger, is it her not wanting to have an abortion, not wanting birth control which is quite obvious or her having more motivation to get pregnant off of me?
/r/askTRP29/04/19 12:51 AM
1

You mean she would actively try to get pregnant? It does show to me that she has no problem not having an abortion which terrifies me Even with my ex I told her that if I get her pregnant she has to get an abortion or there would be no sex
/r/askTRP29/04/19 12:41 AM
1

Admittedly it has been, had the worst dry spell because of bad mental health
/r/askTRP29/04/19 12:40 AM
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I am mostly worried about precum leaking out of the condom? I feel that I have enough self control to not cum inside her but just worried that while I fuck her, precum might leak or and get her pregnant?
/r/ExRedPill29/04/19 12:33 AM
1

Is it more the birth control situation or her motivations for getting pregnant?
/r/askTRP29/04/19 12:32 AM
1

Isn’t the snip painful? Honestly my standards have gotten rock bottom because of having a very long dry spell and she was quite hot And I’m mostly worried about precum? I feel that I have enough self control to not cum while inside her but I’m scared of precum leaking out of the condom and getting her pregnant? I’ve heard precum still has speed cells even if not many?
/r/askTRP29/04/19 12:26 AM
1

This is 100% true from my experience
/r/ExRedPill29/04/19 12:12 AM
1

Thank you, this makes sense
/r/ExRedPill25/04/19 10:07 PM
2

Thank you, even a casual relationship? I don’t want to act like a dick because I don’t want her to become even more depressed and hopeless about all men being assholes?
/r/ExRedPill25/04/19 01:45 PM
1

Thank you very much, it makes sense. And I don’t feel as guilty no more because even she told me she wanted to have sex after I told her I felt guilty about it. This is much more of a healthy mentality to have because for me there is a lot of shame attached with sex, especially if I’m not intending to be in a relationship?
/r/ExRedPill25/04/19 01:45 PM
1

Thank you very much, this is very good support and fleas my head because it’s so easy to get entangled into guilt
/r/ExRedPill25/04/19 10:44 AM
1

No, I told her I’m not ready for a relationship at the moment, but that I’m not totally closed off to it either, just that I’ve got to see how it goes because I don’t like to jump into a relationship straight away?
/r/ExRedPill25/04/19 05:00 AM
1

Thank you? Is it still right if I keep seeing her and even maybe have sex? I’m still attracted to her and I like her but her past and her poor mental health just makes me feel so guilty about it? I feel like she needs therapy at the moment rather then a sexual relationship? But what she did tell me was that she was willing to be friends and explore her sexuality at her own pace?
/r/ExRedPill25/04/19 04:59 AM
1

What does roofing mean? And what do you mean by O’s and refractory period? I just feel that I shouldn’t treat her differently for what she’s been through but I just feel so bad and guilty if I’m not strictly honest with her?
/r/askTRP25/04/19 04:57 AM
1

I even feel bad if I would want to stay fwb’s and have sex with her again if I will eventually leave her? But you are very right about her not wanting to be treated differently? That’s how she came across when we were talking on the date, she told me about her past but then didn’t keep going about it the whole date, just that she wanted me to know about it and be up front about it? I just feel like she needs therapy because of her mental health and I feel wrong if she is still wounded and me jus…
/r/ExRedPill25/04/19 04:56 AM
1

Thank you very much, I appreciate your understanding and support I just feel so sorry for her, it just feels very wrong to me to have sex with someone so vulnerable but I did make sure she was okay with whatever was going to happen I just think she needs therapy and to take care of herself and if she is a lot more stable and in time with herself again then I might reconsider seeing her again But for now if she wants to see me again I’d have to be really clear and honest with her that she should …
/r/ExRedPill25/04/19 04:49 AM
1

Which part of her behaviour is fucked up? Her stopping the sex or her telling me about her past so soon? I feel like I can see why she would do both things? Instinctively I didn’t feel like she was manipulating me, more that she felt comfortable about telling me about her past which is why
/r/askTRP25/04/19 04:44 AM
1

I think you’ve got it spot on about her not being ready to date? I think that’s why I feel so bad about it, because I feel like she’s suffering from all this trauma and me having casual sex might just hurt her if she catches feelings but I can’t take it any further then just sex? I still like her and would want to have ads again but I don’t think I want to risk it now I definitely don’t want to ghost her outright because o feel like she would hurt I will be careful not to orbit in the long run a…
/r/askTRP25/04/19 04:39 AM
1

Come on man, how can you not have an ounce of compassion for what she might’ve been through? She told me all her rapists have been jailed, she told me who did it but I didn’t ask how it happened because it seemed too personal I understand where you’re coming from and I’ll withdraw a bit to see if she is trying to manipulate me for validation But overall I do feel like she is genuinely struggling with her life and I just feel bad for having used her for sex if she’s got such a difficult past beca…
/r/askTRP24/04/19 11:26 PM
1

Sorry to hear about you losing your friend, that’s awful and I can see where you’re coming from about adding trauma
/r/ExRedPill24/04/19 11:18 PM
1

Thank you, it’s just her past, she just seems like a very traumatised person and I don’t want to add to that trauma which is why
/r/ExRedPill24/04/19 11:04 PM
1

She doesn’t seem to? I haven’t paid for anything on the first date and we haven’t been on a second date yet She might bring stuff up down the line though?
/r/ExRedPill24/04/19 10:42 PM
1

I had sex with her after she told me, I was planning to cut the date short by kissing her and then going home but she hugged me and then I slowly just got more and more into her and kissed I then wasn’t sure whether to ask her to come to my place but I did because I was worried that if I didn’t I would regret not having slept with her I thought her last wouldn’t be such a big deal or shouldn’t prevent her from doing what she wants to in life at the moment but now I just feel guilty because I fel…
/r/ExRedPill24/04/19 10:36 PM
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She’s been raped multiple times and birthed a child from one of the rapist, why would she lie about that? That’s something horrible to tell someone and would repulse them And I made sure to ask her for consent all the way through
/r/askTRP24/04/19 10:32 PM
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She only stopped the sex when I got really vigorous and was a little bit rough, before all of that she seemed to enjoy it I feel that me being vigorous and rough reminded her of being raped which is why she didn’t feel comfortable continuing anymore? I feel like she brought up her past to see if I would stick around and still decide to see/fuck her or not, sort of like a test? I didn’t flat out tell her she was pump and dump but before we even met I told her I wasn’t totally closed or open to a …
/r/askTRP24/04/19 10:30 PM
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I don’t want to fully ghost her because it seems cruel, I just want to tell her the truth that I am not looking for a relationship and can only be friends with benefits at most right now, especially if she has such a difficult history? I just don’t want to feel like I’m using her for sex, I already feel so guilty about it? Also why would she lie about being raped multiple times and having a child because of it? She might be playing me by being helpless but I’m still confused why she would, is it…
/r/ExRedPill24/04/19 10:22 PM
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Thank you, the issue of tact is noted and I’ll make sure to not be hurtful when telling her the truth
/r/ExRedPill24/04/19 10:19 PM
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Thank you very much, this is the type of high quality advice I needed I think treating her like a child would exactly keep her trapped in a feeling of helplessness and I do admit to becoming terrified of saying the wrong thing and treating her like a porcelain figure I will make sure to remind myself that honesty is the best policy because ta a form of respect after all. If I wasn’t honest with her I wouldn’t be respecting her which is what she would want in the end regardless of whether what I …
/r/ExRedPill24/04/19 09:18 PM
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Which manipulation tactics? From what she told me, she did get raped, she wouldn’t tell me because it’s repulsive and horrible and would make me likely to not want to see her so I don’t see why she would have an incentive to fabricate it at all?
/r/askTRP24/04/19 09:15 PM
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The way I see it, she’s had a very difficult life and her rape incidents do not seem fabricated at all but I don’t want to go into detail about it out of privacy I told her that I’m not looking to get into a relationship anytime soon but that I’m not closed to the possibility of it, which I hope implied that I was just looking for sex at the moment But I feel that just because someone has a history of mental health; doesn’t mean that they should deny sex? Unless the consensus on here is to not g…
/r/askTRP24/04/19 09:14 PM
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Excellent response, honestly just stopped me from having a heart attack because of me feeling so guilty As long as I’m honest and up front with her it should be fine, I will make sure to tell her again that I am not ready to get into a relationship yet and that I can only be okay with us seeing each other if she knows that I can’t promise her anything and that she shouldn’t rely on me and catch feelings for me? I will still be there to help her and support her with her mental health but it would…
/r/ExRedPill24/04/19 09:03 PM
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That’s exactly what I was worried about, I was worried that I was viewing her as damaged goods but it’s unfair because it’s not her that’s responsible for what horrible things happened to her But in the other hand, this would not be my first choice if I was to ever go into a relationship? I think I should tell her that I can’t date her or be in a relationship but that I can still be friends and if she wants to have sex then it is totally up to her but that I would feel horrible if she catches fe…
/r/ExRedPill24/04/19 08:44 PM
1

I’ve told her to seek therapy, I hope she does And is it really that high? That means it’s almost unavoidable coming across someone who has been abused?
/r/askTRP24/04/19 08:11 PM
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That’s very true, when I remember that she has some responsibility as well, the I don’t feel as guilty no more but when I don’t I feel guilty as hell because of her seeming so helpless?
/r/ExRedPill24/04/19 08:00 PM
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Thank you, I won’t ghost her or soft ghost her but I will tell her where I stand in life and what I can deal with If I decide to go my separate way I’ll make sure to tell her I still like her and want to see her again but I’m very afraid of us catching feelings for each other
/r/ExRedPill24/04/19 07:58 PM
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Thank you, that makes a lot of sense
/r/askTRP24/04/19 07:57 PM
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Thank you very much, I just feel worried about how I should go about it now? Either I keep being friends with her and just support her but let her now I am too afraid and wary of getting involved with someone that has such a vulnerable and serious past but on the other hand I feel like fading away might hurt her less?
/r/ExRedPill24/04/19 07:42 PM
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Raped multiple times and got a child from one of the rapes, not something you would light of if I was in her position and it would repulse me which she knows it would, because it’s a horrible thing to happen so there’s no incentive for her to make it up
/r/askTRP24/04/19 07:34 PM
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Thank you, I just feel guilty because she seems so vulnerable and I don’t want to take advantage of her vulnerability That’s why I made sure she was comfortable with everything that was happening until we had to stop
/r/ExRedPill24/04/19 07:28 PM
1

Thank you, I will look into the sober buddy thing but my friends do tell me to go outside quite a lot
/r/ExRedPill18/04/19 10:11 AM
1

“Man the fuck up”
/r/ExRedPill17/04/19 11:41 AM
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I think that’s it, you have to try and if it doesn’t seem to be reciprocated, then withdraw?
/r/ExRedPill17/04/19 11:39 AM
1

What are the best regular dating sites? They all seem terrible from what I’ve tried?
/r/ExRedPill17/04/19 11:37 AM
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What’s the best mainstream dating app? All the dating apps I’ve tried just seem terrible and the women on there don’t seem virtuous or healthy at all, lots of single mums or heavy smokers
/r/ExRedPill17/04/19 11:36 AM
1

I guess this is the way to go
/r/ExRedPill17/04/19 11:34 AM
1

I think I agree, I spend way too much time online and this is to the detriment of my actual life, it’s tied in with my mental health a lot. So I think focusing on my mental health first should make me more social in turn and make me focus less on stuff like online dating If I get a tinder match then I wouldn’t be so invested into it and wouldn’t care that much if it didn’t work out?
/r/ExRedPill17/04/19 11:34 AM
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I honestly don’t see many other options, my social circle isn’t that big because of me dealing with mental health issues so I don’t socialise much, so I rely on finding girls on tinder that want to date? Other than this I go clubbing but then again I’m in the same situation? I’ve almost never approached a girl in real life to ask for her number, so if it’s not my social circle, I’m restricted to these two avenues?
/r/ExRedPill16/04/19 11:39 PM
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I’ll check out mark Manson but I don’t mind rejection, it’s not like it’s never happened to me before What I do kind is being rejected after putting my faith in this person and investing in her, just shows to me that it really doesn’t matter
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 03:02 PM
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Spot on TRP always laments about women not being able to love and that only your mother was the only woman to ever truly love you, but they completely forget and not even talk about how love as an adult is conditional, not unconditional Unconditional love is only appropriate for children
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 03:01 PM
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I’ve never tried to met a girl in person because it just seems like you’ll be dismissed as desperate if you could approach them And if it’s social circle game, then that doesn’t really work either because it’s a high chance you’ll just be friendzoned as well as it does seem a bit too awkward to date girls within your social circle So I rely on tinder because it’s the most mainstream dating app even tho people do look for hook ups on there And how are TRP strategies immoral though? I personally d…
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 12:15 PM
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I largely agree with what you mean but it could’ve done without the attack on my character
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 12:10 PM
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I agree with this, I’ve tried the beta approach multiple times because I wanted a genuine and honest relationship but time and time again they just seem to only care about looks
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 09:15 AM
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I can definitely understand this I even think that with me over investing so much, going on a date just seems like such a massive big deal and like you said out a lot of pressure on both of us, rather than it just being a fun relaxed thing? I think I didn’t read the situation and just blindly followed what I desired rather than looking at the reality of the situation and have a realistic picture of who she is, rather than the idealised one I’ve built up in my head? On a second note, she has told…
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 08:26 AM
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Very true and I think this is the most rational approach
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 08:23 AM
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What do you mean by that?
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 08:22 AM
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If I’m honest, it’s lack of socialisation for a number of reasons I can’t disclose due to protecting my privacy And I overinfested because I left the red pill for a while and thought to myself that I just take each girl at a time and ended up only talking to about 3 at most. In my mind, if I was genuine and honest and they were too at the same time, there was no abandonment to fear? But I was wrong And I totally agree with you about having a healthier approach to abundance mentality And looking …
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 08:22 AM
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I wouldn’t even say I was that clingy, I just enjoyed talking to her and took my time responding to her after several hours, but I guess I could’ve been seen as clingy because of how much I invested through text
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 04:30 AM
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I don’t understand what you mean? Do what?
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 04:29 AM
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I highly agree, I would say I’m emotionally insecure because of having a lack of abundance which is an RP concept I do think is true? When I tried to leave the red pill I stopped talking to as many girls as possible and just focused on each girl one to one or only talked to about 2-4 girls at a time. This caused me to invest a lot through text, but I always end up with this end result I can definitely understand it being a defender mechanism and I greatly respect you honouring the emotional aspe…
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 04:28 AM
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When I was heavily RP’ed it seemed like a very nihilistic, cynical and depressing mentality to have, but some of their theories do seem true, like emotional invesent, having abundance and that looks largely matter?
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 04:24 AM
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Excellent response I largely agree with I would say I’m purple pulled, swinging between red and blue because of situations like this but I don’t want to give up hope Sometimes I wish being nice was just enough but it’s not, it’s honestly a lie when girls say “looks don’t matter” in fact from my experience, girls only seem interested if they see my “good” looks and if I stop investing in them I invested so much into this girl because I was too busy too meet up in person so I thought that instead …
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 04:23 AM
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No but it angers me, I want genuine, honest and kind characteristics in myself and the girls I date but it just seems like they don’t respect you if you at like that
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 04:17 AM
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This stuff just angers me and maken me believe in AWALT, anytime you’re nice you just get taken for granted Cue in the angry feminist “we are not a fucking monolith man”!” lines
/r/ExRedPill15/04/19 01:47 AM
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It’s true, the more emotionally healthy I’ve gotten, the more I notice red flags. The danger is regressing to worse mental health and then being stuck with other emotionally unhealthy people who keep the cycle going
/r/ExRedPill13/04/19 03:14 AM
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That the trick, but it requires very good emotional health I feel and emotional awareness, otherwise you would always ignore and compromise for red flags because of not believing you could do better It doesn’t help that meeting the same cunty women would reinforce the belief that AWALT either, but I think this is because of staying stuck in relationships with these types of women which would reinforce it Anytime you distance yourself is when you see the truth that not all women are like that
/r/ExRedPill12/04/19 05:39 AM
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I don’t like the narcissistic aspect of TRP, it’s very narcissistic and like you said, views people as objects rather than regular humans with acceptable faults But on the other hand they do have a point that dating is a numbers game sometimes, sometimes investing in a girl can be a complete waste of time if she is leading you on and is playing games
/r/ExRedPill12/04/19 01:26 AM
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I can’t give specific examples to protect my identity, but I would say the flirting scaled to abot a 7/10 in intensity and implied sexual interest. Sometimes it seemed like harmless flirting, other times it just seemed like flirting so I could take it to the next level and pursue her But me being in the friendzone confused the hell out of me and made me feel guilty for having any sort of sexual interest in her so I suppressed that, until I said no more and gave it a shot Surprisingly she wouldn’…
/r/ExRedPill12/04/19 01:21 AM
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And what’s your opinion on the other poster saying that the friendzone is not a real thing? Just me being a boring person? Is it again mainly because of not wanting to admit to their own quirks in psychology?
/r/ExRedPill08/04/19 12:11 AM
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Also, it seems like you don’t really want to hear what I’ve got to say but not more less just shit me down? You just seem very angered by what I’ve got to say but I’m merely just saying it without the intent of angering anyone And yeah just because it’s an honest opinion doesn’t mean it’s right but I’m not out to say I’m right, I’m trying to compare and discuss and seek advice
/r/ExRedPill08/04/19 12:10 AM
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Thank you so much, I think this is the best response I’ve gotten so far on this thread I’ve heard of that book before but haven’t bought it yet and googled covert contracts in the past I definitely felt like I turned into the “nice guy” and got stuck into a covert contract There was this particular girl I wasn’t sure whether to make my intentions clear with as it could’ve turned very awkward given the circumstances if I got rejected. But the problem was me sticking around and being friends with …
/r/ExRedPill08/04/19 12:06 AM
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Yeah the issue is using people, my main gripe is women using guys for validation I’ve had a girl who kept flirting and flirting always implying there’s something potentially sexual between us which just ended up confusing me. I would’ve been perfectly happy just being her friend and love on to other girls But every time I hang out with her she still tries to flirt, I just figured she loves the validation she gets from me desiring her sexually and always tries to push my buttons into trying to pu…
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 11:55 PM
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I highly disagree, I’ve had supposed female “friends” who blatantly led me on by being heavily flirty, always implying sex as a potential which of course made me stick around because why wouldn’t I want to have sex with them if I’m attracted to them? Eventually I figured out it was all about stroking her ego and making her feel attractive rather than her actually wanting to have sex in the first place, this is a prime example of what I mean by leading on A girl asking a guy friend if her ass loo…
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 11:45 PM
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Agreed
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 11:43 PM
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Thank you, I understand
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 01:19 PM
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I will see this girl again next year. I’ve thought about messaging her on social media which I did but didn’t get a response way back in the day but messaging on social media just seems desperate and cowardly?
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 01:18 PM
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I’ll see what I can do but it’s pretty much been a year of me knowing her and her knowing me and me not making any moves, is it too late now, would she move on?
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 01:14 PM
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There’s this girl in particular who I know is interested in me but who I’ve kept my distance from because of not wanting to be friendzoned, however this has resulted in me barely even interacting with her or getting to know her? It’s as if I’m just waiting to catch her at the right moment to make a move?
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 01:07 PM
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Well my main reasons for not wanting to get close or make the move is because I’m afraid of “shitting where I eat”? If I get rejected I’d have to face this person on a regular basis which would be very awkward for me?
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 01:00 PM
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You’ve pretty much nailed it, don’t see much I disagree with But what do you mean by “sexual presence” What I’ve tried is not becoming friends with girls I’m interested in; hell I’ve not even talked to them. But I know the interest is there and I sort of try to send the message that I just want sex, not a friendship so I haven’t introduced myself or become a friend because it seemed insincere? So I think I could get with this girl if the situation was right but if I approached her as a friend ev…
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 12:33 PM
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That explains it really well, thank you for this
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 12:11 PM
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Also I do still feel that you’re shaming me for wanting to pursue sex with women in attracted to And why is the friendzone not a real thing in particular?
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 11:17 AM
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And that’s my gripe, there are so many girls I’m attracted to and want to be romantically involved with, but it seems that if I don’t start out as friends with them, I wouldn’t have a chance? As I don’t do cold approaching? But it does seem manipulative to start out a friendship just to one day get into some girls pants. So what you recommend basically is to figure out early on if she is into you and then leave and not stay friends and “orbit” if she’s not into you? Seems quite sad that you can’…
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 11:13 AM
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This is probably the most rational comment I’ve read on here so far. It is about reciprocity.
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 11:09 AM
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I think you’re misconceiving what is meant with beta orbiter. It’s not being there for the girl emotionally per se, but more having the friendship based on wanting to have sex with the girl if you had the chance, so you stick around long enough until it would happen someday The girls know this attraction exists and lead the guy on for their own benefit?
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 11:08 AM
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But aren’t you going into orbiting category anyways if you start out the friendship? Wouldn’t the sexual attraction be there in the first place?
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 11:06 AM
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So essentially you’re shaming me for wanting to have sex with a girl I’m attracted to but also wouldn’t mind being friends with? I think you’re right about me pursuing friendship as a decoy for sex but sometimes I didn’t know how to go about it. Sometimes I approached the friendship route as it seemed safer than outright making my romantic interest clear? What is wrong with that approach in particular? But you’re right about it being a two way street, I guess I couldn’t see through my own behavi…
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 11:04 AM
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I think it was more a way of me relating to other guys who experienced similar shifty women, that’s what draws TRP in, its like getting your experiences recognised. However because of them projecting their anger and not dealing with it, they stay stuck in hating women which is why I’m not relating to TRP no more or even MGTOW which seems very toxic now However, stuff like beta orbiting just still seems true to me mainly because of the types of women I’ve dealt with I guess it’s mainly to do with…
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 02:26 AM
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You’re making it seem as if life experiences had nothing to do with me turning to TRP As if I just woke up someday and decided to choose to believe in RP theories Not even considering the bitches I’ve met in life that could’ve contributed to this
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 02:20 AM
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I don’t know, some female friends are just friends but a lot of them seem to just put me in the backseat for one day when they decide is the “right” moment to switch to romantic mode with me? Or they just like the attention and validation I give them. I’ve gotten sick and tired of this, but I won’t blame all women, just the particular “shitty” emotionally unhealthy women I’ve been involved with. But my experience with them has drove me to the red pill and viewing women as validation seekers in g…
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 01:54 AM
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So you can’t be friends prior to pursuing a romantic relationship with the same girl?
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 01:47 AM
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I don’t know, on one hand I can see a lot of RP stuff being toxic, but I feel they still have a grain of truth about girls stringing guy’s along because they want to fuck them, that’s why I try to avoid that trap? It’s just hard, I’d love to be friends with the girls I’d wanna fuck, but on the other hand they’d probably always put you on the friendzone because you approached her that way? It’s hard I feel like as soon as I treat a girl as just a person that o don’t want to have sex with, they ge…
/r/ExRedPill07/04/19 01:35 AM
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That explains it well, thank you
/r/ExRedPill03/04/19 06:38 PM
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I just feel the whole gentlemanly thing makes you look like a “nice guy”, there’s nothing wrong with being respectful and considerate but it can definitely be overdone and come across wrong I don’t want to manipulate this girl, but I don’t want to be manipulated into feeling obligated to be overly “nice” to win her over either, this is what I mean by being my authentic self
/r/ExRedPill03/04/19 06:38 PM
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I do disagree with this though, are you telling me attraction is not a factor? It does seem that women do go after the most attractive men and go crazy for them, I’ve witnessed it myself, sometimes I do believe it depends on the psychological make up of the woman that behaves like this but I still believe in “AWALTY-y” beliefs in general? So I do agree with your part about it only attracting emotionally damaged women?
/r/ExRedPill03/04/19 06:31 PM
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Hold up, I’m not gonna get married here, this girl lives a long distance away,, don’t think I can be that serious with someone that lives so far away And regardless, I still haven’t dated around enough to take someone so serious yet?
/r/ExRedPill03/04/19 06:29 PM
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I’ve been talking to local girls as well but this one has the highest interest, like crazy interest. I don’t see any other way of keeping her interest. I’m making her invested in me if I kept talking to her, the other girls I stopped talking to seemed to have lost interest I know texting is for logistics only but it just doesn’t seem to work, I’ve been a lot better off just continuing to talk to these girls
/r/askTRP03/04/19 04:09 PM
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Yeah I will tell her we can’t be exclusive since we live far apart, would never be exclusive in a long distance deal
/r/askTRP03/04/19 03:58 PM
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We’re meeting halfway through
/r/askTRP03/04/19 03:52 PM
1

I’m talking to multiple, she’s one of the best options, got the best body, highest interest
/r/askTRP03/04/19 03:25 PM
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We’re meeting halfway so I’m kind of in her frame when it comes to logistics. I don’t want to bring up staying at a hotel so it’s totally me waiting for her to let me go to her place after our date? To me the context is different, a park bench is natural to sit side by side, when eating it’s usually face to face to have some small talk but I don’t want to keep talking in the restaurant so would change venues for sure
/r/askTRP03/04/19 01:52 PM
1

Thank you very much for the detailed advice, much appreciated The way I see it, I could go for a bite because of being hungry after travelling for a long time but then tell her to go for a walk outside after we finish our food and then apply kino from there if we sit at a park bench or something? If I need to bail, I’d finish my food, show disinterest and cut the date short soon If she sets me up as a potential provider, I will pull back and not give in to her demands? I guess she would want to …
/r/askTRP03/04/19 01:30 PM
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I’ve had a girl sucker me into paying for her dinner before and tell me she wasn’t interested in me romatincally, I then just felt used for paying for her dinner, I am trying to avoid this scenario from happening again but I mostly agree with your comment
/r/ExRedPill03/04/19 01:08 PM
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I highly agree with your comment, it’s very eye opening, especially the part about sacrificing your authentic self
/r/ExRedPill03/04/19 01:06 PM
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We’re meeting halfway, she seems very interested but wouldn’t say sex is guaranteed
/r/askTRP03/04/19 11:02 AM
1

Ik going to see a girl that lives like 2 hours away, she suggested we go to a small food place, I wouldn’t mind because I wouldn’t want to travel all the way there and just have a drink somewhere, I’d be eating the food for myself and I wouldn’t pay her bill or split the bill?
/r/askTRP03/04/19 08:50 AM
1

How would you explain attention whites from a psychological level? From my point of view they suffer from narcissism and pseudo self esteem. They’re removed from their true self so they have to pursue a false self which is sustained by attention and validation? This means that they can never care about the other person because hey don’t genuinely care about themselves in the first place?
/r/ExRedPill31/03/19 06:59 PM
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Teens in college and thank you
/r/ExRedPill31/03/19 06:30 PM
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I think what you say mostly is sensible. I only disagree with the cynicism. I feel like attraction will always be a fact. People will always gravitate to more attractive people, it’s unfair on less attractive people but less attractive people can make up for it with their personality And even if someone gets with a highly attractive person, of their personality is bad, there isn’t much point staying with them In the end it just boils down to doing what’s best for yourself and staying true to you…
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 07:45 PM
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Are you still into TRP? How come you’re on exTRP if you are? Some TRP material is true but a lot of it seems cynical? I used to be into the AWALT belief, but after I’ve withdrawn from her I’ve honestly found more emotionally healthy girls. SMV and hypergamy can still apply but it’s not a guarantee that the girl would always act on it right?
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 06:03 PM
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I don’t mind putting up with shit tests and passing them, but if a shit test goes on for months, constantly and just makes me lose my peace of mind, it’s not worth putting up with This girl is not even a HB7 with make up and I’ve already done better in the past, but I caught feelings for her and she confused me too much which is why I stuck around Mainly I just feel disrespected, that’s the main reason I’m withdrawing
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 05:53 PM
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But why should I continue to keep up with her shit tests? Before I thought I was a pussy for backing out of her shit tests or her getting with other guys but how I see it as preserving my self respect if I withdraw from her and stop wasting my time?
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 05:34 PM
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Yeah it’s like a self fulfilling prophecy right? As long as I don’t internally challenge these beliefs, I think I would be doomed to keep repeating the same cycle of dysfunctional relationships with women
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 05:13 PM
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Yeah definite, some TRP stuff does have a basis in reality. I think her main motivation was propping up her false self esteem, not her genuine self esteem at the expense of mines?
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 05:11 PM
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Thank you
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 03:42 PM
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Highly agree with you about being aware of the underlying subconscious mechanisms at play It probably is deeply embedded in my psyche because of my experiences with women in general so I definitely agree that I started to “otherise” women and treat them as objects to be conquered? It is crazy seeing it when you’re aware but I feel completely oblivious when it affects my behaviour and I’m not aware of it, or just sorts of floats in the background
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 03:41 PM
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I think the reason I couldn’t see through her behaviour was because I couldn’t see through my own behaviour and be honest with myself about the situation? I kept downplaying my instinct about what was really happening and tolerated it to keep the friendship going, while ignoring how I don’t gain anything from it and in fact actually lose my time, energy, sanity and self respect It actually astounds me because even though I kept reading about it in TRP, nothing made a difference because I was sti…
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 03:39 PM
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Wait, what’s the difference between good and bad people and good and bad women, aren’t you essentially saying the same thing?
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 09:03 AM
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Exactly, my best friendships and relationships are when we’re both open and don’t hide things from each other but still have boundaries and most importantly don’t play games
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 09:02 AM
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The way I see it is that I wanted and from the beginning but didn’t wanna make a move because it could’ve ended really awkward because of the circumstances So I figured I didn’t want to ditch the whole person just because I didn’t get sex so I continued to be friends Later down the line I thought to myself “well, I might as well give it a shot and make a move” didn’t work out which is fine. But then all that was left was being friends which is fine. But the way she was being “friends” was using …
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 07:38 AM
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I like that article, but I’m a bit surprised, isn’t mark Manson an RP guy? By saying his ideas are bad if he is but just wondering?
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 06:54 AM
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I hung around her for months but the way the sexual tension was between us, it was very obvious I liked her more than a friend And she knew this and because of the circumstances, it would’ve been too risky to make a move as it would’ve been very awkward if it didn’t work out, so I decided to be patient and make the move later and bide my time? I can understand that if they want space too, but I just feel used in general. I honestly feel deep down that because she knew I liked her so much, she us…
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 06:08 AM
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That’s noted, thank you
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 06:04 AM
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That’s true, that’s why I’ve withdrawn, I felt like I needed to put a boundary in place to stop being used for validation and to stop going on with flirting if she initiates it
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 06:03 AM
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Mainly tries to get into my head about the sexual tension between us, constantly teasing about this tension and pressuring me to go along with it
/r/ExRedPill30/03/19 06:02 AM
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I don’t know, I eventually develop feelings if I get a close friendship with a girl Sometimes I prefer by interacting so this doesn’t happen and can make my intentions clear from the start? I couldn’t do it in this case with the girl in question because of the circumstances. I was constantly on the fence about whether to make a move or not as it could’ve ended up quite awkward But seeing as a considerable amount of time passed, I felt it was appropriate to make the move at the right moment?
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 11:56 PM
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True, you’re not wrong. But why flirt and confuse me? If she stopped flirting I would’ve been perfectly happy. I wouldn’t mind being rejected, it’s part of life, but it’s the continued flirting and pushing my mental “buttons” that confuse me and cause me stress I felt like I didn’t really make a choice per se but more just wanted to be her friend out of lack of abundance?
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 11:54 PM
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You understand me perfectly, me being entangled with them led me into deeper into mgtow and TRP, it’s quite awful because life just seemed Machiavellian and quite bleak But now that I’ve distance myself I’ve found girls who are more healthy emotionally?
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 11:51 PM
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I don’t think I want to give her that satisfaction. She would just laugh about it and show t off to her friends and make me look desperate. The way I used to talk to her and the way we used to flirt perfectly shower that I was interested in being more than friends, in fact I’ve done none of this with her other friends and solely with her. They even joke about me “loving” her with me denying it I feel like my absence and actions speak quite loud and clear and send a message but I will still tell …
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 09:30 PM
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Wait, I edited my comment, could you please reread it? And yeah I definitely will if it gets to the last straw for me, otherwise I wouldn’t bother and just withdraw
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 08:30 PM
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Yeah I had no problem continuing to be a friend, but I still felt like she was exploiting me and her being underhanded was just the last straw. With that I mean her getting with the guy pre game, it just felt like massive disrespect, I couldn’t tolerate that no more It wasn’t really a healthy friendship, it was all about her pushing my buttons to tease me about the sexual tension between us and she sort of enjoyed playing on that feeling of power she had over me
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 08:28 PM
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Yeah, she also stopped inviting me to pre game so I’ll take that as a sign Seems like as soon as I wanted to preserve my self respect and just be genuine, it’s almost an insult to her that I don’t keep supplying her with validation, I’m just astounded
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 07:27 PM
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It’s always her that initiates the flirting, in fact she’s shown interest again when out on nightclubs but I have shown her I’m not interested because it’s unfair to me to fall for her all over again after having been lead on for such a long time. It just makes me feel like a second class option who she can pick up whenever she feels like and it doesn’t sit right with my self respect? I just act normal and neutral now but I’m far from my joyful self around them now which they used to love becaus…
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 05:52 PM
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I feel like I could never open up to her about any of this as she wouldn’t respect it and above all would definitely show it off to her friends, I can’t trust her at all so I’m left with the option of withdrawing from her I didn’t really have the opportunity to tell her because our interactions feel very rushed and I don’t really have the time to step back and think as I get really pressured if my buttons are pushed? I think she relishes in the fact that she can push my buttons as it makes her f…
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 05:50 PM
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I’ve heard of the book and will definitely read it soon. That’s exactly how it feels like, a covert contract of me being nice, which is okay, I didn’t always expect sex, but it’s like they want me to be nice so that I get validation and the promise of sex
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 05:47 PM
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I wouldn’t say I was mad at being friendzoned, I wouldn’t mind being friends What annoys me is her continuing to flirt and keeping that sexual tension between us, joking about it and showing it off to her friends to make herself feel desirable We haven’t been friends for that long of a time, I can’t give specifics to stay anonymous What really annoys me is how she tries to push my buttons to tease me about the sexual tension. I just hate these mind games In fact, I hit on her other friends who d…
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 04:08 PM
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The thing is, I couldn’t exactly make my intentions clear from the start right away as I wasn’t sure whether to just be friends or only strictly go for sex And I didn’t want to withdraw as soon as I found out I wasn’t gonna get sex as I did like hanging out with them a little bit in the past I suppressed my need for sex to keep the friendship going to one day make the decision to go for sex if it felt right But she knew I liked her and I feel exploited that for her own self validation at my expe…
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 03:34 PM
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Definitely, thank you very much for your kind advice. If I still kept “orbiting” her and her friends, I’d very much end up nihilistic, cynical and losing faith in people overall. But I’m glad I realised I can’t paint everyone with the same brush and that the change starts with myself
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 02:17 PM
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You definitely understand, really thankful for your understanding. Just deep down I feel like I’m just being used, they don’t really care about me. They only want to hang out with me if I continue to make them feel and look good, especially for social media. I’m tired of that game
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 01:59 PM
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Thank you, this is exactly how I’ve changed after I’ve taken a break from reading RP material. I just want to be my genuine self and attract genuine girls. If I keep trying to be dark triad, I will just keep attracting women who are dark triad, which will reinforce my hatred of women I feel that a lot of the men who seek revenge and direct their hatred to women do so not just because of their experiences in their adult life but also because of their relationship to their own mothers?
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 01:11 PM
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After I withdrew from them, I stopped looking into TRP more and just realised how much hate I transferred to women. My relationship with them sabotaged me focusing on women who are actually romantically interested in me and I’ve stopped manipulating or treated women like their beneath me and just have mutual respect? Women like this make me feel that if you’re not “on top” you’re at the bottom? So they always required me to treat them with disdain I felt? Do they sound like the bottom 20% of wom…
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 12:29 PM
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Finally, I feel like you’re able to relate with my situation, I’m generally confused about this but I do feel guilty for not validating them anymore but I feel like this stems from a place of always being a people pleaser in general? I definitely feel like their friendship wasn’t genuine. The main highlight was me being put on their social media, which is what all they cared about and my former oneitis playing mind games and teasing me about the sexual tension between us I’ve just gotten sick an…
/r/ExRedPill29/03/19 12:26 PM
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Am I the bad guy for ghosting:nesting my former oneitis after I pretty much realised she will never let me fuck her and will only string me along for validation? She did show me a lot of interest at the nightclub which made me think she wanted to kiss me, but now o feel like she doesn’t deserve me so I won’t try to kiss her no more even though it seems like she is making moves on me?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 10:06 AM
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Exactly, changing and altering yourself to be someone you’re not just so that another person would like you is far more beta than just orbiting
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 10:48 PM
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I was thinking of making a post on askTRP about them looking down on the “just be yourself” advise. I know it’s quite a meme now but I have seen a lot of RP guys denigrate the “just be yourself” advise in that all they focus on is appearing high status and “alpha” which inevitably means not being your authentic self and changing yourself so that women will like you? That’s another big turn off from me from the red pill in general, I’ve never been a fan of the idea of not being your authentic sel…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 10:07 PM
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That’s solid advice, however why should I avoid all RP communities all together? Or even the ones related to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 09:53 PM
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Mainly because whenever I hung out with them, it was at pre game and they were more excited about putting me on social media rather than just have a relaxed conversation It felt mostly about the sexual tension that was between me and her and her relishing in the fact that I desired her Once I stopped playing into their mental game of making them feel special and just acted ordinary, it seems like they’ve lost a lot more interested in me and stopped inviting me to pregame Another way simply is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 06:35 PM
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I mean she does give me validation in return but I feel like the whole relationship is based on me validating her and stroking her ego It seems like she knows I like her and used to really like her and uses that fact to string me along and show me off to her friends to make her seem more desirable than she is? I just try to be my authentic self now, I’ve withdrawn from her and her friend group a lot but I still treat them with mutual respect if I see them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 06:20 PM
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Thank you very much, I just in particular stopped chasing my former “oneitis” after she got with another guy as I felt butt hurt that I was getting lead on for months. I really still believe she just uses the carrot on stick method to keep me “orbiting” for her own validation? What is your opinion on this? Is this erotimania too?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 05:59 PM
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My main issue has been being a “beta orbiter” but I’ve called that into question as my former “oneitis” seems to just be a cluster B woman and I myself attract these type of women because I am emotionally unconcious myself? On one hand I want to be friends with women but I also would be sexually attracted to them most of the time on the other hand I just feel used for validation and narcissistic supply by these types of women and I have distanced myself? What would be a healthy type of approach …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 05:35 PM
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I’m only just getting into RP beliefs, what would you say are the main things that should steer me away from it? In general I feel that it just directs hatred towards women instead of working this hatred out with a therapist? On the other hand the whole beta orbiter thing does seem to be true?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 02:25 PM
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I’ve heard acting aloof won’t get you girls on here and that you have to show some interest at least or am I conflating it with something else?
/r/askTRP28/03/19 06:43 AM
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Thank you man, And it’s true, I had a group of girls I orbiter in the past and they don’t even bother to meet up in person after I haven’t seen them for a very long time, it’s as if we weren’t even friends back in the day. While back in the day I seemed to be their favourite person
/r/askTRP27/03/19 07:30 PM
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Yeah I was getting very frustrated because I was orbiting my former oneitis heavily, while we both were extracting validation from each other but she pretty much did the carrot on stick approach to me, leading me on for a very long time Eventually at pre game one time it was the last straw when she got with another guy while I was there after having lead me on for such a long time Do I seem butt hurt if I withdraw like this or is it a good idea overall? I don’t totally ignore them but I’m not ch…
/r/askTRP27/03/19 07:08 PM
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The weird thing is that now that I’ve withdrawn from them and stopped putting all my time trying to chase them and gain their attention and validation, I’m actually talking to more girls who are interested in me romantically/sexually rather than just for validation and have more potential for setting up dates? It’s just that I miss their company and their validation but I know that it’s not coming from a genuine place, it’s all pretenses and this is one of the main reasons I moved on?
/r/askTRP27/03/19 06:52 PM
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Thank you
/r/askTRP20/03/19 12:14 PM
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This makes the most sense to me, I feel like I don’t have to burn bridges but not hang out with them or go out of my way to hang out with them if it inconveniences me and causes me too much stress
/r/askTRP20/03/19 12:13 PM
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A closer, what do you mean by that,
/r/askTRP20/03/19 06:19 AM
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And what’s the main reason I won’t be able to bang her female friends? I’ve seen one of my friends bang a female friend he seemingly only was friends with for a long time but I only recently discovered they’re fucking? Why wouldn’t that be he same case for me? Is it just a question of smv? In all fairness, my friend didn’t seem like too much of an orbiter to the girl he banged but he is part of the friendship group, he does orbit the other girls for sure though
/r/askTRP20/03/19 12:36 AM
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I’m not really mad it didn’t work out but more at how freaked out she seems, like how can she not expect her Male friends to not even have a seed of sexual desire for her? Do they really think all of their Male friends are castrated or something or worse, do they know these Male friends want to fuck them and they just use this to their advantage?
/r/askTRP20/03/19 12:34 AM
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What’s funny is that I even got hit on by a hb7 on a night out when clubbing and saw them in the club and who I find far more attractive than this female friend, the difference is that they didn’t see me, sometimes I wish they did so I could send w clear message that I’m not gonna settle for being controlled by them It’s actually ridiculous at this point because it just seems as if they think I worship them when all this time I was just biding my time for pussy but I played the slow game, which …
/r/askTRP20/03/19 12:32 AM
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But that’s the point I’m never really an emotional tampon to these girls and I never really confide my deepest feelings to them because I know they can’t be trusted like that We’re just say; surface level friends who use each other more or less, I get used for validation while I use them to gain access to their other friends?but so far what I’m getting out of it just doesn’t seem worth it as it just seems too awkward to hook up with any of their friends since the default seems to be me getting f…
/r/askTRP19/03/19 11:03 AM
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So what’s in it for me? I wanted to remain friends because I get to meet her female friends and maybe try hit on them Maybe a little social proof here and there and just banter but that’s pretty much it Most of the time the relationship is lopsided with me just being used for attention and validation all the time?
/r/askTRP19/03/19 07:47 AM
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What do you recommend I do ? I don’t mind staying friends as I’m not hugely sexually attracted to her but I do feel disrespect for being used for my time and validation It seems a bit shallow if I burn the bridge just because I don’t get any sexual use out of her or her friends but I don’t want to be friends if that means me being put into orbiter zone again because it just feels disrespect to me
/r/askTRP19/03/19 07:46 AM
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Hold on dude, why does a guy always get expected to make things clear from the start? What if I wasn’t sure whether I’d want to be friends with her and meet her friends and see in which way I’d make a move? If I made a move from the start I would’ve never been able to remain friends with her at all? But I understand what you mean when you say she just feels awkward, so I can sort of forgive her for that And how would it be weird having Male friends hit in you as a girl? Isn’t it very likely that…
/r/askTRP19/03/19 07:43 AM
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I wouldn’t say she was a real friend who genuinely cared about what was going on in my life, more like someone who just called me over whenever she wanted to show me off in front of her friends and suck the validation out of me I pretty much was an orbiter, I changed that because I was sick and tired of getting disrespected by my former oneitis who is also friends with this girl who tried to cuck me So I figured I’ve got sexual needs and try to satisfy them, is that really that shameful because …
/r/askTRP19/03/19 07:40 AM
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That’s pretty much the vibe I got from her now
/r/askTRP19/03/19 07:36 AM
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I wouldn’t say I am desperate to take it further but I would want to fuck her if I could. I think she secretly wants to fuck me as well but pretends she doesn’t to act like she’s above me but she knows I pull girls with higher smv than her I’ve withdrawn from the friend group because of my former oneitis massively disrespect long me and trying to cuck me and it did cause me some heart break I think if my other female friend hooked up with another guy I’d probably be slightly jealous but I wouldn…
/r/askTRP19/03/19 07:34 AM
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Is it really as black and white as that?
/r/askTRP19/03/19 07:32 AM
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This is very true, I even think my female friends do have sex with me in the back of their mind and they sometimes joke about it but I know that they would never do it so they could keep me in the friend zone and keep the sexual stasis going So what do you think I should do in this situation in having female friends but not orbiting them?
/r/askTRP19/03/19 07:30 AM
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They regally do find me funny, but I feel like I’m just being a toy to them used for validation, it’s all about giving them that validation hit anytime I hang it with them
/r/askTRP19/03/19 07:29 AM
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Got it
/r/askTRP19/03/19 12:44 AM
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But I feel like I’d still be technically orbiting them because deep down I’d still want to fuck them more or less? I heard you should only have female friends that are unattractive on here?
/r/askTRP19/03/19 12:27 AM
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I’ve read on here before that men approach dating by befriending a woman first and then escalating it further Why do women almost never seem to consider this and categorise you from the start they meet you into either fuck or friend material?
/r/askTRP19/03/19 12:26 AM
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Is there any point being friends with girls? A lot of people here say that unless you get social proof or a female wingman, it’s not worth it? But for me I just want piece of mind, I’m sick and tired of being pressured to provide them with validation and play their mind games and shit tests they always throw at me? And besides that, my female friends are attractive enough for me to want to fuck, so I’d always want to fuck them if I could, but I’ve been suppressing that urge for so long just to k…
/r/askTRP19/03/19 12:03 AM
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So that means I should have zero desire to fuck any of these girls or do you just mean that I shouldn’t focus on fucking hem and just pursue other girls while still being friends with them?
/r/askTRP18/03/19 11:54 PM
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Can I remain friends without orbiting? Doesn’t TRP say to not orbit because it’s just bad for you mentally anyways? I would bang some of my female friends if I could but I’m not pushing for it too much, I just distanced myself from them for a bit after I felt that I got disrespected Especially my former oneitis hangs out with them who I am trying to avoid as I feel she just uses me for validation and gets off on manipulating me But overall I wouldn’t mind being friends, it’s just being treated l…
/r/askTRP18/03/19 11:50 PM
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Should I mind being friends with girls or is it an absolute waste of time? I just get exhausted and annoyed by how much validation they’re seeking and it puts me out of my own frame and makes me think all about them instead of putting my energy into myself and other girls?
/r/askTRP18/03/19 11:44 PM
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This explains it really well, just really seems like it, was quite a one sided friendship where it was all about me providing validation. But I’ve sort of cut myself off after feeling like they didn’t genuinely care about me at all So I figured I won’t chase the “carrot on the stick” and got assertive with my sexual needs and it really seems like she is offended I even tried
/r/askTRP18/03/19 11:32 PM
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Okay I see you’re genuine, so I’ve got a couple of questions: 1) is texting always strictly for logistics or do you need to build some rapport? 2) What sort of pics so you recommend/avoid, should you remove all selfies from your profile? 3) Is tinder gold a scam? As my account hasn’t had high HB matches in a while which makes me think of deleting and starting over? 4) Is it all just about having a good physique?
/r/askTRP18/03/19 11:29 PM
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How do we know you’re not trolling?
/r/askTRP18/03/19 11:24 PM
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Yeah I’ve been used for attention many times, it pains me because I usually end up not getting any sex but strung along for as long as possible
/r/MGTOW18/03/19 06:47 PM
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Is it true that women would rather string you along for attention for as long as possible, no matter how attractive you are because they value the attention more than the sex in the long run?
/r/MGTOW18/03/19 02:32 PM
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This is so funny but I can see where you’re coming from
/r/askTRP18/03/19 02:27 PM
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She’s reasonably attractive
/r/askTRP18/03/19 01:39 PM
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Very good advice, that’s exactly why I haven’t gone through with it, I only considered fucking her when I felt really horny and desperate. But I’m not that attracted to her, she’s not unattractive but just not hot either
/r/askTRP18/03/19 01:39 PM
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Thank you so much, you’re really right, they always think we’re in our phones all the time and even tho I do use my phone, I still don’t have the time to think out a detailed reply, I need to take my time to do that and I frankly don’t have the time to message and get back to a load of people after I’ve been away for a while
/r/askTRP17/03/19 11:24 PM
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The probleem is, of i keep being friends with this chick, I’ll be inevitably hanging out with my former oneitis as well who I am trying to next? Should I keep my former oneitis as a friend and friendzone her in turn? Or would I just be in her frame and used for validation? And this chick I both like as a friend and as a love interest (not my former oneitis, the other girl)?
/r/askTRP16/03/19 11:27 AM
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I keep forgetting this, there’s endorsed contributors here for a reason
/r/askTRP15/03/19 08:23 AM
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Oh those ones, yeah you mean the girls that try to put on a facade of being “pure” and only have sex in relationships, looool, I knew a girl like this, she was hot and had a boyfriend, but gave off an innocent, clean vibe, she’s just so slutty now after she broke up with her boyfriend
/r/askTRP14/03/19 11:52 PM
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You mean the nerdy, shy, 4-5HB shy “good girls” that always sit at the front of the class?
/r/askTRP14/03/19 11:16 PM
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I tried the approach of gaming my female friends, friends, but I just got treated like another orbiter Seems like if the first line of females don’t want you, then their friends don’t want you either because you got rejected and friendzoned by their friend in the first place? Isn’t it better to just stand on your own two feet and game girls on your own without relying on female friends? I’ve almost never had the female friend thing work in my favour But then again my smv is quite low, maybe aver…
/r/askTRP14/03/19 10:21 PM
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I’ve almost never seen female orbiters, it’s pretty mch 99% males that orbit, by the rare chance I do see females orbit, they usually just orbit guys with very high smv?
/r/askTRP14/03/19 10:19 PM
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Me too, no matter how unattractive or seem like only friends, I’ve always inevitably seen the guy give into his urges?
/r/askTRP14/03/19 09:53 PM
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Calm down, chillax, I know the difference, but in my mind, with the way dudes are thirsty and would smash almost anything, it’s hard for me to believe they would maintain friendships without getting the urge to smash? I have female friends, but I wouldn’t say I’m that close to them, because eventually I’d get horny enough or even catch feelings because of how close and intimate I’d get with some of my female friendships That’s why I sort of keep a distance? I have female acquintances more like r…
/r/askTRP14/03/19 09:52 PM
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That’s always been the case for me, even for my not unattractive female friends, I sometimes get feelings for them which would lead me into wanting to be more intimate with them and eventually fuck them?
/r/askTRP14/03/19 09:49 PM
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Yeah I guess I’ll just keep it to logistics then, but if I don’t have time to meet up, do I then not take the girls off of tinder and just keep them on there until I’m ready to meet up? Won’t I get lost in all the other matches she would get? My goal by keeping the conversation going is building rapport and “comfort” so that she would already feel much more comfortable meeting me rather than someone she’s barely spoken to? But I might be shooting myself in the foot because I know too well how gi…
/r/askTRP14/03/19 08:15 PM
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I know it’s giving in to the girls frame, but I don’t use WhatsApp’s as it’s boring and at least with Snapchat I could flex myself on there if it would help? And in what way would they think I would try to manipulate them? I’m genuinely busy and don’t like to be on my phone all the time, so I’d like to reply when I’m ready and in the right frame of mind, rather than rush a half assed reply, which to be fair, my reply to her wasn’t all that great but I did answer her questions and even asked her …
/r/askTRP14/03/19 07:21 PM
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Yeah really seems like it’s a boost to their ego ignoring someone, trampling over their personality as if they don’t matter at all
/r/askTRP14/03/19 06:11 PM
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But if I don’t get her number and just keep her on tinder won’t I just get lost in the sea of matches she gets?
/r/askTRP14/03/19 06:10 PM
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Logistics only just seems to not do me any favours sometimes Like if I get a girls number and don’t text her at all and say I’m busy for 2 even 3 weeks, how could I expect her to be interested enough to meet up if I haven’t even tried to build slight rapport?
/r/askTRP14/03/19 07:13 AM
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I am talking to other girls but I wouldn’t say my options are varied right now either Also none of them are official plates yet as I only just recently met them online
/r/askTRP14/03/19 07:12 AM
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In which way?
/r/askTRP14/03/19 07:11 AM
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I’m too busy to meet up, how else would I keep her interest or build rapport? And don’t bitmoji’s seem a bit childish and corny?
/r/askTRP14/03/19 07:11 AM
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Oh right thank you
/r/askTRP14/03/19 07:08 AM
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Fair enough
/r/askTRP14/03/19 07:08 AM
1

What does “odr’ed” mean?
/r/askTRP14/03/19 01:14 AM
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What is the whole point of validation from thirsty men? Isn’t that low value validation?
/r/askTRP14/03/19 01:14 AM
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That’s a good point
/r/askTRP14/03/19 01:13 AM
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So my job is to be a dancing monkey and entertain her through text while she barely puts any effort into the conversation anyways?
/r/askTRP14/03/19 01:13 AM
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Is this a TRP rule? I dont think I’ve come across it yet and if it is, could you let me know where I could read about it in the side bar?
/r/askTRP14/03/19 01:12 AM
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Yeah I always forget this looool
/r/askTRP13/03/19 10:52 PM
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But don’t most girls want to know you before they meet up? I know there’s a “only for logistics” rule here but it just seems too extreme in practice?
/r/askTRP13/03/19 10:51 PM
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I thought about only messaging her in a weeks time to try set up a meet if I’m not too busy? I’ll stop the small talk and getting to know her texts because she clearly doesn’t have any respect for them? I understand what you mean but it’s hard for me to meet up girls for a first date at the moment as my schedule is too busy so I don’t want to lose out on building rapport? I’ve almost never had a girl want to skip straight to fucking from only just meeting her off of tinder? (And yes, yes I’ll de…
/r/askTRP13/03/19 10:39 PM
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Girls sometimes give the excuse that guys abuse their phone numbers and harass them if they don’t get what they want, which is why she didn’t trust me with her phone number yet, which is why I was fine with it? I also barely look at her story so what other incentive is there for her validation wise?
/r/askTRP13/03/19 10:37 PM
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The thing is, I care because I built great rapport, and I’m not too worried about moving things too quick at the moment as I’m very busy anyways so I’d like to take my time and get to know her. I should’ve nexted her when she didn’t answer my question about meeting up but I have her a second chance as it seemed too soon Now I guess I’ll only message her in a week or two and only to set up a meet to rub salt in the wound, is this the right thing to do?
/r/askTRP13/03/19 10:35 PM
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Well in my case it’s Snapchat? So she definitely opened it and decided not to respond smh And I thought that if you get a banner notification, you still won’t show up as read until you actually open the messages on the app on Instagram?
/r/askTRP13/03/19 09:44 PM
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And those steps are ghosting or hooking up with someone else? But wouldn’t ghosting ruin the friendship?
/r/askTRP12/03/19 10:09 PM
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What’s your opinion on guys that seem to orbit girls and seem to have close friendships with them? On one hand I feel like they’re being “nice” and not “shallow” by not just wanting sex from the girls they orbit but on the other hand every time I tried to approach a relationship with a girl from that angle I just feel taken for granted as another orbiter?
/r/askTRP12/03/19 09:31 PM
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Yeah I can’t argue with that, it cuts right through because it’s true, I definitely feel like she’s taking me for granted because I take myself for granted when I let her use me for attention/validation for nothing in return Sometimes I don’t mind being platonic friends with girls but the friendship has just been all about her and providing her validation rather than a huge and take of value? People are right when they say women make terrible friends on here Do you have any female friends by the…
/r/askTRP12/03/19 09:28 PM
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I feel like she pretends to have no sexual interest in me but she does have it but is scared she will jeopardise the friendship so I guess I’ll just do what I can to leverage my own position
/r/askTRP12/03/19 08:56 PM
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How would you specifically build sexual tension? Won’t that mean I’d have to hang or with her more and wouldn’t that mean I would orbit her all over again?
/r/askTRP12/03/19 08:37 PM
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Solid advice
/r/askTRP12/03/19 08:36 PM
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Would she throw LJBF at me because she gains more value out of me from being a friend than a sexual interest? As in all the free validation and attention she would try to get out of me?
/r/askTRP12/03/19 08:36 PM
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You are using exercise and running as a crutch at not looking at your deep seated issues you have to eventually face
/r/askTRP08/03/19 09:53 PM
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Is this really true? One time I actively was going to a dance floor where I would be more visible and ended up getting pulled, I did not look thirsty tho as I did not care whether she wanted me or not? But whenever I am in a crowded dance floor I usually end up staring down girls and it puts them off? But how else would I show interest?
/r/askTRP08/03/19 09:51 PM
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That’s decent, eye contact and acknowledgement usually works but sometimes I find it hard to escalate and take it further, especially if the girl is with her friend because she might not want to leave her friend to get with a guy?
/r/askTRP04/03/19 01:12 AM
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Thank you, is that really true that when you just enjoy yourself for your own sake that it works out? Sometimes I feel like when I do that I lose track of the girls around me and lose out on them if I don’t pay attention to them? But it’s very right about hen smelling he desperation? And even if you’re in the smoking area, do you cold approach or approach if she shows minor IOI’s?
/r/askTRP04/03/19 01:11 AM
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By openers do you mean talking wise? I almost never talk to a girl at a club because it would just come across as being too pussy to make the move physically? And would just come off as being too friendly and non sexual?
/r/askTRP04/03/19 01:08 AM
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What’s your version for approaching? Do you try to grind them or do you just make eye contact, dance with them, hold their hands and try to go for the kiss eventually? I don’t grind no more because I feel that girls get an ego boost off of rejection guys if they try to? So I feel stuck waiting for signals and IOI’s?
/r/askTRP03/03/19 10:49 PM
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This is incredible advise, if only I put all those hours into investing in my body, definitely agree And I understand now what you mean by women putting a fork in the road when it comes to relationships with men I feel like I’m the validation provider to these girls, they will definitely shame me if I don’t hang out with them as much and start focusing on myself improvement I’ve actually looked into the intel and black pill stuff, it seemed convincing but I feel like uncles disregard women that …
/r/askTRP03/03/19 12:00 AM
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I feel like the guy is friends with some of these girls but doesn’t orbit them as much as I did in the past and just turned up for pre game And he was much more aggressive in his approach and escalation compared to me who was inhibited because of my low confidence in my out of shape body? And not only that but I tried to subtly flirt and not come on too strong but I guess they just took me for granted and put me in the back seat as a back up option or just an orbiter? It actually angers me and d…
/r/askTRP02/03/19 07:59 PM
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That’s exactly how I viewed it as, I just go on living my life doing what I got to do to take care of me and try to improve my SMV, it’s not like I go out my way for the slightest chance to be able to hang out with her or her friends
/r/askTRP02/03/19 06:57 PM
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Man, thank you for sticking up for me and injecting some common sense into here This guy did give some helpful advise but he seems extremely on edge, trying to project his insecurities onto me, like he seriously needs to relax
/r/askTRP02/03/19 06:56 PM
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I have found sometimes I lose my friends in the club and it detracts from me making myself available and visible to girls in the club if I end up constantly trying to chase after and find my friends? And sometimes I feel like girls are reluctant to come up and dance next to a group of guys? What’s your opinion on this?
/r/askTRP02/03/19 05:52 PM
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You’re pretentious as fuck man, like calm down. I already get the message that I’ve gotta stop wasting my time and should preserve my self respect
/r/askTRP02/03/19 04:26 PM
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Thanks for the great advice dude, really clarifies a lot. I was a bit confused how it would be orbiting on my part while some random guy technically is friends with some of the girls but did manage to get with one of them? What’s the major difference between his and my approach?
/r/askTRP02/03/19 04:21 PM
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Noooo, some of the girls I’m just friends with, I don’t try to fuck them, the others I do try to duck and flirt with them more When I say platonic friends that doesn’t mean I spend time with them just like I do my Male friends, it’s more like if I see them I won’t flirt with them kind of thing Wouldn’t say I’m an unfuckable beta, but my SMV is quite low because of not being in shape and I need to stop orbiting Ironically I get with girls more at the club when I’m completely in my own frame
/r/askTRP02/03/19 04:16 PM
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Yeah I can see them talking crap about me like that
/r/askTRP02/03/19 03:59 PM
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Yeah will do, ironically I’ve got more luck with women when I don’t orbit and just focus on going after new prospects What about some of her friends who I’m just platonic friends with? To be fair even that’s a waste of time but that’s one of the reasons I’ve not completely hard nexted
/r/askTRP02/03/19 03:58 PM
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Yeah I understand what you mean, but dude I’m really just seeking clarification, like her behaviour confused the hell out of me, I didn’t really care that much that she tried to flirt with me again because it’s meaningless to me at this point But it’s just so confusing, like I just don’t understand why she would still try to lead me on which is why I’ll try my best to not hang around with her no more but to me I don’t mind going over for ore game because I feel like I benefit from flirting with …
/r/askTRP02/03/19 03:54 PM
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Completely disagree with you man How do I have severe oneitis of my actions in real life say the contrary? I’m making this post to seek advise and clear my confusion, despite the long paragraphs But other than that, like I said, I’m not some desperate guy hanging out with them day in day out listening to how their day went? No, I just go to pre game, flirt with some of her friends, not even flirt with her because I don’t even feel like it no more and just see if I feel like going clubbing or it …
/r/askTRP02/03/19 03:44 PM
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I’m just trying to seek advise and learn, gonna move on from this post soon, it’s a learning experience for me so I need good advise from people on here
/r/askTRP02/03/19 03:41 PM
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Yeah in my mind I just feel like sending her the message that she had her chance, so I don’t know if I can even feel like getting with her like that again, my body just freezes up as soon as I remember how she doesn’t respect my self respect like that, that’s definitely why I pretty much didn’t do anything when she tried flirting with me
/r/askTRP02/03/19 03:41 PM
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Yeah that’s true, haven’t fucked any of her friends so this approach of befriending girls to try and fuck them doesn’t work. It’s definitely why I just don’t text them to hang out but let them initiate and if I’m in the mood I’ll go out to pre game/clubbing, otherwise I’ll just leave it And honestly don’t have oneitis for her my dude, honestly wasn’t fazed when she got with this guy at pre drinks, mentally I’ve cut off any sort of emotional investment in her, she’s free to do whatever she wants …
/r/askTRP02/03/19 03:38 PM
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Deleting her from my social media would be a bit too harsh as I’m still on friendly terms with her but I’m not wasting my time messaging or checking her social media out no more And yeah, I hope you read my other comments because I explained I barely hang out with her day to day, I just go over for pre game
/r/askTRP02/03/19 03:32 PM
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I agree with this, it’s been months of her leading me on to nowhere, I consciously just decided to next her in my mind
/r/askTRP02/03/19 03:31 PM
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Thank you man, this pretty much sums it up for me, it’s hard to hard next because I’m friends with her friends and see if I can meet any new girls through them but it’s a lost cause I think? Honestly just so glad I preserved my self respect above all
/r/askTRP02/03/19 03:29 PM
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I am quite happy I denied it, honestly it feels great to just uphold that self respect I can definitely see how she might’ve not gotten the attention she craved throughout that night and probably thought I was an easy target to make her feel desirable again? I more or less got out with them as I got invited, was in the mood to go clubbing and didn’t mind going with them, was more invited by her friends and I wasn’t really there for her, I was trying to see if I could maybe get with her friends e…
/r/askTRP02/03/19 03:27 PM
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I definitely understand more what you mean right now. I’ve not fully went for trying to fuck some of the girls because I’m unconfident with my unfit body, which lowers my SMV; but I can still tell that they’d rather have me orbit than try duck one of them? Also I’d rarely be in a position where I’d be the situational alpha, I always thought social circle game was just you trying it with your female friend’s friends when you meet them for the first time or again, if they get more comfortable with…
/r/askTRP02/03/19 03:23 PM
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Read my other comments man, I’ve repeated myself like 3 times now, it’s for social circle game mostly, I don’t hang around with her but I go over it her friend invites me for pre game, don’t take it much further than that so I don’t waste my time like you say
/r/askTRP02/03/19 01:44 PM
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Yeah I know, that’s why I’m not pursuing her no more but I don’t understand how she doesn’t realise I’m not gonna go for sloppy seconds and try to get with her again if she’s been toying me around for months and didn’t go for sex when I tried to make it more obvious
/r/askTRP02/03/19 01:36 PM
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I disagree man, I’m not obsessing over this chick, hell I didn’t even want to make this post but I was confused as hell as to why she doesn’t realise I’ve stopped trying to fuck her I don’t mind keeping the social circle so I can try game her friends but I definitely don’t hang out with them day to day, it’s either to hang out at pre game or go out clubbing if I feel like it But I can understand what you mean when you say that me being involved with her friends will make me involved in her life …
/r/askTRP02/03/19 01:00 PM
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So what is social circle game according to you? I’ve never managed to figure it out on TRP and AskTRP but I can understand you saying that “newer is better” but f that’s the case I would just be at a club trying to get it on with a girl I’ve never met rather than try it with my oneitis’s friends? Any three way would be to meet some new girl hats friends with my oneitis but I’m not waiting around for that And did they beta frame me because I spend time with them without getting anything in return…
/r/askTRP02/03/19 12:47 PM
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I think I’ll focus more on just raising my SMV, if I day game now; it would be easy to fall back on the mindset that my self worth is tied to my ability to get women, so f I do get rejected, I might take too big of a hit to my ego which would not be good for my self esteem I will try sometime though, but at the moment I’m very reluctant to do Daygame What did you mean by the girls having the same frame at nightclub though, could you clarify that more?
/r/askTRP02/03/19 12:38 PM
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Exactly, I don’t do sloppy seconds, that’s some desperate shit if I did go for it, would’ve hated myself for it and probably embarrassed after it too Yeah she probably was but my belief in her wanting to actually fuck me is near zero, it’s all just a mindgame to her and I’m done, so yeah definitely will stop wasting time on this chick, thanks for the very good advise though
/r/askTRP02/03/19 12:35 PM
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That’s exactly why I still keep in touch with my former oneitis’s friends, it’s for social game, but I still sort of pussy out and act more of a friend than a potential guy she can fuck, I think it’s to do with me being physically not fit which makes me self sabotage myself to avoid rejection But I’m just worried I’d miss it on all the causal sex I could have before I turn 30? 490 girls is quite a lot, but are they at least above average SMV? I definitely will start lifting but I don’t want to d…
/r/askTRP02/03/19 12:33 PM
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I didn’t set out to go to the club with her, it was more with her friends and they invited me Like I said before, I basically don’t message her no more, don’t flirt and don’t even flirt with her at pregame, it’s mostly her trying to interact with me to try get some attention/validation I’m still keeping in touch with her friends so I can try game the other girls or just go out clubbing and have a bigger social circle
/r/askTRP02/03/19 12:24 PM
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I see what you mean now, she wanted to feel wanted and hot I guess, that’s not my job, she’s either with it or not, I just can’t stand how she has the nerve to think I’ve got no respect for myself and would jump at the chance for the possibility to even just kiss her, what the fuck man? The thing is, when I found her at the club near the end, it was just her and one of her friends? And she came to me on her own, so who would she be showing off too? Or is it purely just for herself and her own ne…
/r/askTRP02/03/19 12:01 PM
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How else would I get one night stands or friends with benefits? I’m not into Daygame because my SMV is quite low at the moment because of not being in shape so I stick to night game and the temporary, casual aspect of it. Sometimes daygame even seems desperate to me if I’m being honest, at least if it’s too much of a cold approach? The only other way I would agree with your advise is to stop going to clubs so I can focus on actually living my life and improve my SMV according to my frame, as in …
/r/askTRP02/03/19 11:55 AM
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No in all honesty, I would fuck her if I had her chance, but not at the expense of my self respect and I’m going to put near zero effort into her, but the idea that I should pursue her and blind myself to other girls is ridiculous. In fact she always tries to squeeze out validation and ego booster out of me but I’m not playing into her game anymore, just glad I’m not heavy into my oneitis anymore like I used to be a couple of months ago
/r/askTRP02/03/19 11:52 AM
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This is quite a new explanation, couldn’t figure this out before, I think I agree. She probably was looking for the next best thing but I’m just not gonna disrespect myself like that by being a second option at the same night, it’s not even that, this girl has been playing me around for months when I was still deep in oneitis so it’s only best I forget her and focus on other girls I thought she might’ve wanted validation, but it wouldn’t make sense as she didn’t seem that keen on wanting my vali…
/r/askTRP02/03/19 11:38 AM
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I know it’s terrible, like what does she expect?? She knows I know she’s not going to fuck me, so why still flirt and act like there’s something there? Sure people say beta orbiting, but I’ve stopped messaging this girl, and just started treating her as a friend so I can befriend her friends and see if I could try it with them or just have a larger social circle for the sake of it. Hell I didn’t even flirt with her at pre game at all, so how can she not figure out I’ve already nexted her?
/r/askTRP02/03/19 11:28 AM
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Wowwwww, in my mind I feel like waiting until she hits the wall so I could get some karmic revenge, but on the other hand I want to just improve my SMV so I don’t have to keep worrying about stuff like this
/r/askTRP02/03/19 11:07 AM
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It’s because I’m friends with her friends and don’t mind hanging out or going clubbing with them from time to time but I mostly keep it at that. I don’t even message her no more, I only message her friend now and that’s just to meet up for stuff like pre game, like even her friend I’ve stopped showering with free attention for nothing The only way I would fuck this girl is if she completely and totally shows strong interest and would fuck right away Anytime I’m at pre game I just try to talk to …
/r/askTRP02/03/19 11:04 AM
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And what’s the whole purpose of her wanting to “win” and lose interest as soon as I showed interest? I just guess it’s because t would show desperation from my end? And why would she go into overdrive to try and “fix” it if the guys she get with have higher SMV than me?
/r/askTRP02/03/19 09:04 AM
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Alright I see what you mean, I’m actually happy I’ve thrown my self respect back at her when she tried to get me to dance with her again, felt like I honoured myself despite me losing out on sex (which would’ve been non existent with her anyways) I still remember seeing the disappointment in her face, but it’s her own fault, it’s like my whole body screamed out to me and told me “NO! Don’t do anything with her she’s just playing around selling you a fantasy”
/r/askTRP02/03/19 08:11 AM
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But is this self improvement all just to get women or for our own sake? Sometimes I don’t feel like doing all that self improvement because it comes from a frame of trying to get women instead of prioritising your own happiness in life first?
/r/askTRP02/03/19 08:07 AM
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I’ve definitely noticed who the orbiters were at pre game, I actually even respect the guy who who kissed her as he wasn’t acting like an orbiter at all and was quite aggressive in his approach which surprised me. But I don’t want to sound like a cuck like that praising my “enemy” But he’s done nothing wrong, he’s just doing what he can to get girls It’s my own fault for not just focusing an actually improving my life for my own sake And what do you mean by bailout exactly, do you mean when they…
/r/askTRP02/03/19 08:05 AM
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Thank you very much, what do you mean with the phrase “growing pains” though, I’m not that familiar with it, could you clarify?
/r/askTRP02/03/19 08:02 AM
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Yeah she definitely fucked up, I used to have big oneitis for her but all of it just dropped when her hypergamy kicked in And I just don’t understand because the guys she gets with have a lot higher SMV than me body wise but she still keeps trying this stuff with me? Is this just an ego thing for her? Anytime I talk to other girls she does show slight jealousy or even at the club when I’m looking at other girls more than her she seemed to try it again? Eventually she gave up when she stood in fr…
/r/askTRP02/03/19 07:58 AM
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Well tough luck,I don’t understand, the guy she kissed had a lot more higher SMV than me, so what’s the aim of her trying to do this? Is it just to see if she still “got it” or to get me to orbit more? Or both? My biggest mistake is giving her so much “free” validation whenever she and her friends do manage to find me. But I mainly keep in touch so I could game her friends but it’s a lost cause for me as my body’s state at the moment lowers my SMV significantly until I hit the gym
/r/askTRP02/03/19 07:53 AM
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Thank you so much, I feel like she just started to try even again when I just stood laid back and was eyeing up other girls in the club to wait for them to come dance in my vicinity She’s probably just testing out to see if she’s so valuable that I’d still melt at the slightest chance of having the possibility to fuck her Or I’ve just shown higher value by not giving a fuck despite my SMV being a lot lower than the guy she kissed at pre game
/r/askTRP02/03/19 07:45 AM
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This right here, in red pilled but was never a fan of the whole negging thing
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 09:37 PM
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Wrong, they would rather inflate their artificial self esteem through validation and try to keep whatever sources they have for this supplying them this for as long as possible (orbiters)
/r/askTRP18/02/19 08:14 PM
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Validation is like golden eggs to women, they would always want to find it no matter what it takes
/r/askTRP18/02/19 08:00 PM
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Validation station, all aboard the string along trainnnnn chooo choooo
/r/askTRP18/02/19 05:41 PM
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Excuse me???? So you make Billy beta wait while you go all out for Chad?
/r/askTRP17/02/19 05:45 PM
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So I should ask her if I could come to her place?
/r/askTRP16/02/19 01:53 PM
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How about I ask her for an after party at my place?
/r/askTRP16/02/19 01:53 PM
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You mean pathetic on her part or mine?
/r/askTRP14/02/19 04:57 AM
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I appreciate your guys responses
/r/askTRP13/02/19 07:15 PM
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I’m sorry but I have to disagree with the common advice of forgive and forget because it just encourages people to feel bad about having their repressed emotions about their parents. Acknowledging what they did and holding them accountable for it doesn’t mean that it’s their responsibility to fix our lives. The main reason to hold them accountable is to be honest with yourself for having these feelings rather than trying to stay rid of them which pretty much results in depression or addiction I’…
/r/askTRP13/02/19 07:15 PM
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What about being friends with girls but you do want to fuck them? None of my female friends are that ugly that I would never fuck them? Even the ones I’ve categorised as strictly friends I would fuck if I would but I don’t because it would sour the whole friendship?
/r/askTRP13/02/19 06:45 PM
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Thank you for the advise, there is a psychologist who says that we should blame our parents so that we don’t overlook how we really feel about them and keep our emotions repressed, I am currently working on this myself But I have definitely read about codependency before, I do think I’m still suffering from it I heard quite a few negative reviews about no more mr. Nice guy, what’s your opinion on them?
/r/askTRP13/02/19 06:43 PM
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I instinctively feel that being friends with lots of girls and not caring whether theyll fuck you or not will show them you don’t care and that you’re high value? But so many people on here tell me that I would just be orbiting but so many of my friends are friends with girls but I don’t know whether they’ve fucked any of them though?
/r/askTRP13/02/19 06:41 PM
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I know what you mean but the way I see it is that I don’t want to waste time texting her if I don’t get sex in the end and I haven’t had sex in a long while which is what made me even more outcome dependent?
/r/askTRP13/02/19 06:05 PM
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I would say an anxious attachment relationship where I always have to please them or fear disapproval and abandonment? I have tried to stop this though and have an internal locks of control and not let my self be emotionally controlled by their people
/r/askTRP13/02/19 06:04 PM
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But she even told me to stop texting her and I eventually did? If she really wanted validation wouldn’t she not say that? But on the other hand she hasn’t blocked me so maybe she does want me to still text her?
/r/askTRP13/02/19 06:03 PM
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But how would she get validation off of me if I stop texting her? Or does she get validation from me chasing her through text?
/r/askTRP13/02/19 05:40 PM
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Thank you
/r/askTRP13/02/19 05:40 PM
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I see what you mean, I think I seek external validation, especially when it comes around women and this is just not genuine self esteem. All my neediness and anxious behaviours come out and I keep fearing I said the wrong thing or didn’t word things right, I basically start hamstering I need to realise it’s my life and if she wants to join it’s up to her
/r/askTRP13/02/19 05:39 PM
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So how do you weed them out? I just try to focus on not seeking external validation anymore. It’s easy to get trapped in validation seeking especially when sex is on the line but it just makes me shoot myself in the foot
/r/askTRP13/02/19 05:37 PM
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My problem is, sometimes I don’t want to have a text conversation because it seems like either I constantly text back and forth replying very quickly or if I take my time and text back after hours, they just seem to lose interest?
/r/askTRP13/02/19 05:35 PM
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Yeah apologised for over texting
/r/askTRP13/02/19 04:48 PM
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The thing is, she said she still wanted to meet up after I told her I’ll stop over texting, didn’t text her for about a week, then texted her strictly to meet up, no rapport texts at all and she basically said she wasn’t interested. I was confused why she would do such a 180 all of a sudden when I’ve shown her I can change my behaviour?
/r/askTRP13/02/19 04:48 PM
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Wow that’s a. Wild response but thanks for it though, very informative and helpful
/r/askTRP13/02/19 04:33 PM
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No I don’t think they can see that you pay for tinder. They might think you do if you super like them but everyone gets one free super like a day anyways so they can’t be sure I used to get frequent matched with like hb7-8’s sometimes even 9’s but just noticed that as soon as I stopped forking over money for boosts I stopped getting as much matches as I wanted. I might try one last time and see if I can just find a fuckbuddy and keep the texting to absolute bare minimum but like a lot of people …
/r/askTRP13/02/19 01:59 PM
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Well one of the girls boomeranged back after she saw me in person one time (I didn’t see her but she saw me) and all of a sudden regained interest I hate this because I was over invested and anxious about her being into me and over texted and she ignored all of the messages, but then she does a 180 and tries to act like nothing happened So the girls on tinder that lost interest, just don’t text them and move on right? Because I did send them a few meet up texts here and there but they’ve just go…
/r/askTRP13/02/19 01:41 PM
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I feel like this is the case, she definitely has other options and I would definitely not be her number 1 option and it did feel like it was an excuse because I didn’t text her for a long time after I apologised for over texting. So I did show that I could change my behaviour And when I texted her again it was strictly to ask her to meet up
/r/askTRP13/02/19 01:37 PM
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What’s the main reason to not let her know how it would affect me in the first place? So you mean a girl would never cut you off without telling you? I mean a lot of girls I met from tinder just stopped replying to my messages after a certain point? They didn’t say anything about not being interested no more? Is that so they would boomerang back if they change their minds? I did have a girl boomerang back to me once after she ignored all my messages and she spun it as her having a broken phone w…
/r/askTRP13/02/19 01:23 PM
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I think this is a sensible approach
/r/askTRP13/02/19 01:12 PM
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I just get worried she would lose interest or forget about me if I don’t text for a week or two for example?
/r/askTRP13/02/19 01:11 PM
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So after we both make it clear we want to be fuck buddys, don’t text to talk about random stuff to build “rapport” unless she starts it first?
/r/askTRP13/02/19 01:03 PM
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I was definitely over invested, but she even said she still wanted to meet up after I apologised for over texting so I stopped texting her and only texted her to ask her to meet which she ignored, then I asked her why and she explained that she didn’t want to anymore because I texted her too much? Why would she say she would be interested after in the first place if I told her I wouldn’t over text her no more?
/r/askTRP13/02/19 01:02 PM
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This is hands down the single comment that convinced me that the red pill is not “toxic” as some people make out
/r/askTRP11/02/19 05:04 PM
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Yeah I won’t message her no more unless it’s to set up a meet, I think it’s too early to next her, if you mean that she should come to my city then I think you’re right, it’s not worth it wasting my time traveling to go see her if she’s being an idiot with the text messages
/r/askTRP09/02/19 08:27 PM
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Thanks man, will definitely do that
/r/askTRP09/02/19 04:27 PM
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Yeah definitely, I just didn’t think too much of her leaving me on read because maybe she wanted to say no but didn’t want to be rude, so like all girls pretend on Snapchat that they accidentally opened your message and “forgot” to reply 🙄 I’ve stopped texting her to build rapport so I will literally just text her to ask her to meet, I’ll only meet halfway, fuck going to hers and waste an hour of my life on a girl that might not even like me and I barely know
/r/askTRP09/02/19 02:54 PM
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She’s in her early 20s and I don’t drive, I would have to take the train
/r/askTRP09/02/19 02:51 PM
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I think I’ll try and meet her in the middle? Even that feels like a waste of time to me because I would have no idea if the place we meet in the middle even has a shopping mall we can go to for coffee? It’s very early stages so we’re only just talking, I probably don’t even expect to fuck her on the first date? And of course leaving me on read is a huge red flag
/r/askTRP09/02/19 02:50 PM
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For sure, will just hit her up strictly to meet in a couple of weeks, if she ignores again it’s a hard next
/r/askTRP08/02/19 12:40 PM
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Also keep in mind I didn’t travel to the place of the date, I stayed home when she ignored my message, does that still count as a flake?
/r/askTRP08/02/19 11:51 AM
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I’ll give her one last chance to find out 100% where she stands on meeting so I can hard next her if she flakes again
/r/askTRP08/02/19 11:24 AM
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100%, definitely not putting anymore effort into it. I thought coffee was normal, maybe it’s just because I replied late but my message definitely reached her around 8 pm so she had all evening to read it?
/r/askTRP08/02/19 11:23 AM
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The way I see it is that if I decide to go to meet her in her home town, she won’t eat a second chance if she flakes and it would be the last time I’d try to meet up with a girl too. Do you reckon I should suggest to her to meet up halfway?
/r/askTRP08/02/19 11:22 AM
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It’s not too far away, only like an hour away maximum
/r/askTRP08/02/19 11:16 AM
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I keep forgetting that a lot of these Chads aim really low on the dating market sometimes, I used to blame myself a lot for not scoring high HB women but if I aimed low I probably would’ve had the same result as well?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/02/19 01:12 AM
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Do you really think VR and sex bots will take off like that though? I’m skeptics as to how much of an impact it would even have on the dating market?
/r/TheRedPill06/02/19 01:01 AM
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This is the main draw of the app, the app is focused on giving woman that validation boost while promising easy lays for men which is a fucking lie
/r/TheRedPill06/02/19 01:00 AM
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I’ve noticed that if you don’t pay for boosts and your not a %5 Male, you will barely get any matches. When I used to use boost I used to get like 3 matches a day and even when boots tapered off I used to get regular matches But now that I haven’t shelled out money in a while and haven’t been as active on the app as I used to it seems like my ELO score has gone down the drain even tho my subscription is still active? Just goes to show how much of a scam the Gold subscription is And the worst par…
/r/TheRedPill06/02/19 12:58 AM
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In my view, the women on dating apps are the ones not worthwhile being with anyways?
/r/TheRedPill03/02/19 09:25 PM
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It’s all just an ego boost to her, nothing to see here
/r/MGTOW03/02/19 04:54 AM
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I only want to fuck a select few of the women, the other ones I mostly see as friends However I feel like some of the girls know I want to find them and use that to their advantage to get me chasing after them so they can get validation off of that?
/r/askTRP03/02/19 04:35 AM
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The thing is, my SMV isn’t even that high, I’m very out of shape and skinny? I would say it’s my face carrying my looks for me? I feel like I’m just being used as a trophy and a friend most of the time? But I have noticed sexual tension with a lot of the girls they’ve introduced me to and the IOIs increase the longer I know them?
/r/askTRP03/02/19 03:32 AM
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I’m proud if you got bring ancap, stay strong brother
/r/TheRedPill02/02/19 10:50 PM
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You mean TRP or AskTRP?
/r/askTRP30/01/19 11:07 PM
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The way these girls pose just looks absolutely pathetic, it just screams fake and pretentious
/r/MGTOW30/01/19 08:56 PM
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By the way has anyone written about this “carrot on stick” approach girls do with their orbiters? Specifically this approach, not orbiting itself?
/r/askTRP30/01/19 08:54 PM
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I won’t cut ties completely as I get the benefit of meeting her other friends who I could potentially game or use them as social proof when clubbing But overall I will cut my investment by 95% and stop getting roped in by her tricks Yeah I definitely should ghost, it’s hard to do though as she lives in close vicinity to me and we see each other quite frequently but I’ll do my best
/r/askTRP30/01/19 08:53 PM
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Thanks a lot man, really appreciate the help In my mind I feel like I could spin her kissing and hugging me as having abundance, by not being thirsty and not giving a fuck if I don’t look into it and treat it as nothing serious and just play it off? If I seem unfazed by it, other girls might then see me as high SMV through this form of social proof? I think asking her through text was better because it keeps everything discreet, if I asked her in person she would’ve most likely been with her fri…
/r/askTRP30/01/19 08:45 PM
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Do I not let her kiss me or hug me out of self respect? I feel like if I let her kiss/hug me that she is trying to “claim” me in front of other girls as a sort of ego thing? As if to say “look at me, I own this guy” even though she doesn’t fuck me as a validation thing? And what do you mean by taking the initiative? Yeah I will definitely stop replying to her messages from now on, she lead me on hard before, making me think I’ve got a chance with her but she played me around like a fiddle and I …
/r/askTRP30/01/19 08:19 PM
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I know, I apologise for that, but this girl is playing with my mind by pretending she wants to fuck me but her behaviour says otherwise, it angers me a lot, guess I’ve got closure now and prevented myself from wasting my time Think I’ll just see her as a friend now
/r/askTRP30/01/19 08:04 PM
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Time and time again I’m convinced women seem to feel like they can get away with this bullshit because men are just too thirsty and are blind to shitty behaviour once pussy is on the line Can’t fault is that much for having excess testosterone but we do have a choice in the matter What did she exactly say if you don’t mind sharing?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/01/19 12:34 PM
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How could she have the audacity to ask you to share her like you’re not good enough on your own? What the fuck, this personally pisses me off how we lead you on hard like that
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/01/19 04:21 AM
1

I forgot what it precisely is, I thought it was just a way to erode conservative values? Or infiltrate educational establishments with communism in a covert way?
/r/askTRP29/01/19 12:26 AM
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That’s good to hear that you’re getting more higher quality girls now I think the potential ways you could attract trashy women is by being emotionally unavailable? But that being said, you can’t just be emotionally open with any girl like that, it takes trust? I feel like the whole dread game and focusing on looks is what possibly could make you attract trashy women but other than that I don’t see how TRO views such as vetting would make you attract trashy women, quite the opposite actually Hav…
/r/askTRP29/01/19 12:25 AM
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He rationalised it the other day by saying that if you date an anarchist, you’re decreasing the risk of divorce significantly as it would go against her conscience and integrity to use the state against you? Still this feels like a unicorn NAWALT to me which I don’t know is attainable or not? Would you marry if the state wasn’t involved in your marriage? (No alimony/child support)
/r/askTRP29/01/19 12:19 AM
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You mean the state of Israel or Judaism? Or the whole cultural Marxism thing?
/r/askTRP29/01/19 12:17 AM
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I doubt he would be narcissistic as he knows himself about all the psychological dynamics underlying it, he preaches emotional health a lot so I don’t know where the cult thing would fit in I could see people seeing it as cult like as it’s one man preaching a message mostly?
/r/askTRP29/01/19 12:17 AM
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Me too, the guy is a genius, definitely changing the world for the better Some of the truths are a bitter pill to swallow so I still need time internalising them And that podcast is a classic, might have to watch t again to remember what he said again but it was quite a long time ago I saw that one What’s your opinion on how his views fit or compare to TRP views?
/r/askTRP27/01/19 12:54 PM
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Yeah check him out on YouTube, his work is very heavy hitting and he has addressed MGTOW and TRP before but I forgot what his opinions on them were exactly “Though, where anywhere does RP say you have to only go for trashy women who only go for looks?” I think I got this impression mostly from this PurplePillDebate post I read the other day, it did quite make sense but I’m still quite skeptic although. The post talked about how guys on TRP focus on looks and status mostly which attract women who…
/r/askTRP27/01/19 12:52 PM
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Yeah I listened to sandman for a bit as well but his content just seems so defeatist, like there is no point interacting with women at all Ideally I’d want children with a woman that’s emotionally healthy but I don’t want to get married if it will involve the state What I’ve mostly read on here is guys heavily being against even relationships at least? It’s all about pump and dump and avoiding being used as a beta Male provider? I agree with what you said about TRP being about working on yoursel…
/r/askTRP27/01/19 12:02 PM
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Search him up on YouTube, the guy is changing the world in my view
/r/askTRP27/01/19 11:28 AM
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100% spot on, I love his show but I feel like his view on relationships and TRP don’t coincide? He’s all about heavy vetting and working on your own emotional issues first? His view is basically that “like attracts like”? If you’re emotionally healthy, you will attract an emotionally healthy woman, despite hypergamy existing? But here on TRP it’s all about having sex as soon as possible, preferably on the first date because Chad got his full on the first date right? I read on PurplePillDebate th…
/r/askTRP27/01/19 11:27 AM
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Yeah dragon ball seemed a lot more calmed down compared to Z?
/r/MGTOW27/01/19 09:48 AM
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It’s in TRP’s context, I’m trying to weigh my options because some of my friends I know pull lots of girls from that club but I don’t know if I want to go to a club just in the hope of getting with a girl, I think I should put my own enjoyment first but then again a part of going to the club is to pull off some night game?
/r/askTRP27/01/19 01:56 AM
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You make me feel like watching it again, I grew up on DBZ so completely missed out on Dragon Ball
/r/MGTOW27/01/19 12:23 AM
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This was funny as hell 😂
/r/MGTOW26/01/19 04:56 PM
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Thank you so much for the kind and solid advise bro, will definitely save this comment and keep this in mind for the future. All I could say about the thing we have in common is that me and the girl are from the same country and some other thing as well with a different girl so it’s quite special but still a shitshow regardless as it still seems mostly a validation thing for the girls
/r/askTRP26/01/19 12:42 PM
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I’m quite underweight, not by a large margin but slightly. I need to gain weight and hit the gym but it’s hard being consistent with it because I get a lot of lazy days hitting me And that’s definitely how it was affecting me in the last, always stressing right about whether I said the right thing or not and then I instantly start to feel like I’m below the girl in terms of self respect and that I’m entering her frame completely I might not get rid of the apps yet because I have matched with som…
/r/askTRP26/01/19 12:07 PM
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It’s a huge difference bro, in real life girls are so much more enthusiastic and give so much more IOIs but because of me not being confident with my body yet, I’d rather game a girl who isn’t likely to be in my social circle or in close proximity to me (sort of like not shifting where I eat?) But like you k ow, the whole tinder/bumble thing is a buffer and I just get taken for a ride, or really is bad for your mental well being in the long run, wastes time and makes you lose focus on actually l…
/r/askTRP26/01/19 11:44 AM
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I have t had tinder matches for a while by the way, I used to get 2/3 a day when I was very active on it and now I haven’t had a match in weeks. Is this because I didn’t go onto the app as frequently which lowered my ELO score?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 10:40 PM
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But don’t most girls just use it for validation?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 10:29 PM
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Oneitis is a bitch, when I get it, I always hope my fairy tail will come true and that this one girl would give me her love and devotion but then hypergamy kicks in and slaps me in the face
/r/askTRP25/01/19 10:17 PM
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Where do you game mostly?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 10:10 PM
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I am trying to plate her, would never make her my ltr. I think o did quite a good job of not having my oneitis feelings come back last time I saw her and actually flirted a lot with her friends. I agree mostly with your advise though
/r/askTRP25/01/19 10:10 PM
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Thank you so much man, really helps, definitely didn’t know about the whole EC thing before and it’s hard because there’s a lot of conflicting advise on TRP most of the time so this definitely helps I think outcome independence is definitely important though
/r/askTRP25/01/19 09:35 PM
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Nothing bro, think it’s me worrying about it and making it more of a big deal than it already is, what’s your opinion on going, is it worth going to the club with them?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 09:32 PM
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Thank you man I didn’t know how it worked before, also did you read that part I only just edited about the girls always wanting me to hang out with them rather than me chasing them to be their orbiter?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 09:23 PM
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What he says is sensible but it seems a bit too extreme? The way I see it is to be relaxed and just be around women and see if they do anything, if they don’t, I wasn’t attractive enough for them and should start nexting? Also, I’m not some full time orbiter here, I’m just taking the opportunity of meeting new girls and see if they will escalate or not? Also your post history seems incredible compared k his so I will trust your judgment more That’s how I saw it as well because these girls always…
/r/askTRP25/01/19 09:16 PM
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No more along the lines of “oh my god, they’re seeing each other” and “he’s definitely gaming our friends”?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 09:09 PM
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It could backfire on me though, that’s why I wanted to escalate in the club as it’s less direct but in the other hand I could keep it low key this way I’m just worried about all the gossiping but it’s fine
/r/askTRP25/01/19 09:03 PM
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What’s your opinion on the other commenters saying that me even going to the club with them is still orbiting and that it wouldn’t give me social proof since women can tell from a mile away if the girls surrounding him want to fuck him or not?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 08:58 PM
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Not necessarily her hole but her friends? I’m trying to get with her friends more than I’m trying to get with her which is why I’m mostly asking about the to you guys? How should I proceed in regards to her friends who show major IOIs? Would they really not go for me because my oneitis rejected me?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 08:57 PM
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O find the word chump so funny 😂 I get access to her friends who give major IOIs which is why I didn’t completely hard next though?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 08:56 PM
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They way I saw it so far was that since her friends have me major IOIs, I should go to the club to let it escalate with her friends but you saying female friends don’t take scraps makes me think on a whole other level about it
/r/askTRP25/01/19 08:55 PM
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That was my plan B, asking her to come to my place but I think clubbing might give more plausible deniability but it’s too much of a high risk It might sour the relationship with her friends if I only ask her to come over but not spend any time with her friends though?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 08:53 PM
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What would constitute good game besides not orbiting?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 08:45 PM
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Did you read the part about where I said that she tried chasing me again an gave me a small kiss on the lips after she got dreaded by me texting other girls? I definitely see your reasoning here though, it could make me look desperate if I just jump on the chance to try and get with her friends if she rejected me That’s why another part of me didn’t want to go, to uphold my self respect
/r/askTRP25/01/19 08:44 PM
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The thing is, she has been chasing me a little the past couple of days and has me a small kiss on the lips the other day and showed major IOI’s but I’m not falling for the bait, her friend however seems into me who is who I would want to game So it would just work against my favour being with hem in the club, and do you disagree with the other commenter saying I should try going for social proof?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 08:41 PM
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Her friends, one in particular seems really into me but I wouldn’t count on it. Don’t think I would go for the sole aim of gaming her but I would go with an outcome independent mindset? So it’s not worth going at all?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 08:38 PM
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Is it not worth it going to the club and game her friends or other girls? What about social proof?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 08:34 PM
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Why not bang them if they won’t jump straight into my cock? If social proof doesn’t work should I just enjoy the night itself?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 08:34 PM
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You got me there man, do you reckon I should just go and just have fun regardless of the outcome?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 08:33 PM
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Yeah we get along and she seems like she is chasing me a little bit as she gave me a small kiss on the mouth the other day but I’m not counting on it I got over my oneitis but I think if she gets with a guy in front of me at the club it might get to me?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 08:25 PM
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I might end up not going clubbing, my gut feeling feels like she will just take advantage of me “orbiting” again if I do? Even tho I might want to game her friends or just go to enjoy the music?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 08:04 PM
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So I can’t ask for advise about what to do in regards to dealing with her and her friends then??
/r/askTRP25/01/19 07:45 PM
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I haven’t messaged her since that night and kept it that way, don’t orbit her through social media and don’t in person The only way she hangs with me is if her friend invites me and when she does, I game her friends not her.
/r/askTRP25/01/19 07:42 PM
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Do you know the name of that Russian chick? I might want to google this as I’ve heard about it before
/r/askTRP25/01/19 05:49 PM
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Definitely would not LTR for sure, I doubt I have her hooked but I think overall she just wants attention, I’ll feel her out and see what she does but you are spot on about abundance mentality and being the prize. The last time she got with a guy I let it get to me and hard nexted her during the day until she reinitiated contact in person. But it still is at the same level where she seems like she is playing me around
/r/askTRP25/01/19 05:48 PM
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Thank you for the empathy man, it is really getting to stress me out a lot, real life seems much more easier as long as you don’t shower the girls with validation?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 05:46 PM
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Which part of the sidebar, it’s huge?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 05:45 PM
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I’ll see how she’ll act if I escalate when going clubbing, if she doesn’t I’ve got a definite answer, could try to ask her to come to my place as well but doesn’t seem ideal Overall, she definitely seems like she wants me to orbit, I’ve already stopped checking her social media and all that and I don’t even text her no more, if I hang out with her it’s because her friends invite me over so I mainly focus on talking to her friends rather than her
/r/askTRP25/01/19 12:08 PM
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So not seducing her and just texting her to come over to my place is the worst thing I could do?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 11:35 AM
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That’s exactly how I’ve been acting around her friends, I’ve just been not paying attention to her and more to her friends because I obviously don’t fall for her leading me on no more and she just seemed to get jealous that I moved on and just faked her friends So would do the same if I go to the club, so is inviting her over for Netflix a big no no?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 11:26 AM
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No I genuinely moved on, but now she’s trying to pull all these moves, maybe to try and make me orbit her so she can use me for validation?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 09:57 AM
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They might want to go clubbing in a couple of days, but I’ve been clubbing with her before and she chose some other guy over me which made me soft next her. Do you think it’s a good idea to go clubbing again? Or should I just invite her over to my place? Should I ask her to come to my place for Netflix? Since she lived close by?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 09:26 AM
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I get an ego boost myself and some of the girls there seem to want me but don’t want to make it overt, I don’t hang around with them all the time but she definitely lead me on in the past
/r/askTRP25/01/19 09:14 AM
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So what strategy should I use for dating apps? I know dating apps are mostly bullshit but it’s a good supplicant I’d say?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 07:55 AM
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What’s the point of matching/giving her number then? Just for validation?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 03:00 AM
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Wait I’m still quite confused, do you mean to never ask for the number and just keep texting on the dating app? I think I will try texting again just to feel her out but keep it at a minimum and as less as possible but don’t you text for logistics only though? (Once you get the number of course)
/r/askTRP25/01/19 02:51 AM
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Yeah I usually to come meet in town at a specific day at some place I don’t call them because I feel like phone calls are a massive waste of time to me so I usually stick to texting. I don’t give them my number, I usually ask for theirs, I usually get their number so that I can hit them up in the future if I didn’t get right with them the first time? And it also shows high interest to me the fact that I get a number, if I keep messaging on dating apps it just seems like t wouldn’t go anywhere? I…
/r/askTRP25/01/19 02:32 AM
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Haha could’ve been this too, but I was much more scared of it ended up being some crazy murderer or robber preying on my horniness
/r/askTRP25/01/19 02:22 AM
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That’s awful dude, but it’s so funny seeing a big swipe gay guy overpowering those burglars, isn’t the story fake though?
/r/askTRP25/01/19 01:55 AM
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Are you sure they’re just there for validation or would they want to take it slow and text for a couple of weeks before meeting or am I being played around if I do that approach? I’ve honestly just completely given up on dating apps, it’s the same old: match, get number, text for a couple of weeks, get ignored when you suggest a meet And that’s when I don’t keep it to logistics either But I can see how you see it’s a numbers game definitely
/r/askTRP25/01/19 01:46 AM
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It’s almost as if they just want to text back and forth for weeks but then as soon as I suggest a meet, they just stop replying, it’s ridiculous, this is why I just don’t take dating apps seriously anymore because the girls just love getting messages and texts but don’t want it to lead anything, they just want the validation
/r/askTRP25/01/19 01:37 AM
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She seemed moderately attractive, like a 7/10? I expected Snapchat at the bare minimum but even that she wouldn’t give out? The pics were clear but, why the haste to meet at night? If she was real wouldn’t she have the patience to meet in public?
/r/askTRP24/01/19 11:56 PM
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Thank you man, alarm bells were ringing, why is it such a big deal to give a number? I mean I know it’s a hassle to keep blocking number or file a harassment report but not everyone has the time and energy to keep harassing? Also isn’t it much dangerous for me to know where she lives if I was a real harasser/stalker?
/r/askTRP24/01/19 11:54 PM
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Thank you
/r/askTRP24/01/19 11:53 PM
1

They feel like moonwalkers can’t deny that chief ;)
/r/askTRP24/01/19 11:53 PM
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I’ve asked for a date in public, she hasn’t response be
/r/askTRP24/01/19 10:21 PM
2

What if it’s some murderer, cannibal rapist guy who faked being a girl? I understand girls don’t want to give out their number but couldn’t she just give me her snap and then block me if she doesn’t want to do anything no more? What if she pretends everything is okay until I get in the house and there a group of guys that will rob or blackmail me? And can’t you just go to the police and file a harassment report?
/r/askTRP24/01/19 10:09 PM
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Exactly bro, it’s my life and I decide what I do with it right? Same as everyone else, I shouldn’t let negative opinions steer me away from that, this just reminds me of how important frame is again, thank you tho bro
/r/askTRP24/01/19 09:43 PM
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Hahahah
/r/askTRP24/01/19 09:38 PM
1

Yeah that’s true, I wear more Street wear than smart style clothes
/r/askTRP24/01/19 09:38 PM
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Thank you man, that’s exactly how I feel about it too, if I like them that’s all that should matter right?
/r/askTRP24/01/19 09:38 PM
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Haha fair enough to you bro, I like them though, they just full of detail to me I love them but he thing on the back can definitely split opinion
/r/askTRP24/01/19 09:37 PM
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Exactly, I shouldn’t give a fuck, but it gets annoying with people sneakily laughing about it
/r/askTRP24/01/19 09:36 PM
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I see what you mean, I try to display my wealth and sometimes it does feel like I’m going overboard bu I genuinely like the expensive stuff that I buy for myself, I feel like it being nice to other people comes after that not before?
/r/askTRP24/01/19 09:36 PM
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I see what you mean and I agree
/r/askTRP24/01/19 08:33 PM
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Far from bad quality brother, they’re super comfortable and there’s a whole design philosophy behind it, sure they’re not $1000 Balenciaga has but definitely not low end sneakers though. And exactly, everyone just wears the same shit and copies each other, I like to have my own style Edit: also saw the link, he definitely doesn’t give a fuck and I would even say the yellow on the shoes would make the shoes look “weird” but he is doing him so I admire that?
/r/askTRP24/01/19 08:32 PM
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Wait, why would jeans matter though?
/r/askTRP24/01/19 08:25 PM
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Yeah that’s exactly how I feel about it, like I said I’ve received quite a lot of compliments for it, even was in a barbershop one time and the guy kept asking me where I got them from and told me they look really good, so I guess it’s subjective I just really feel like those girls were laughing out of spite rather than genuinely being surprised? Like a “haha look at that weird shoe over there” kinda thing? I don’t care tho, I personally like the shoe but just got annoyed, I’m quite the opposite…
/r/askTRP24/01/19 08:21 PM
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What is the reasoning behind being black and wearing expensive sneakers? Loafers and boots aren’t really my style
/r/askTRP24/01/19 08:18 PM
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Yeah I wasn’t wearing anything else that didn’t fit or was weird, think they got caught off guard by the block on the back but I don’t think it’s that big of a deal? Another girl said she liked it and other people said they liked it as well? It’s just those two girls from yesterday who got me annoyed by laughing about it? But I shouldn’t give a fuck right? I mean I like it myself?
/r/askTRP24/01/19 08:16 PM
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It’s good fashion if you understand the context though, it’s quite detailed which is why I like it mostly and looks sleek. I can see why people might be against the thug in the back but I don’t think it’s that much of a big deal?
/r/askTRP24/01/19 08:14 PM
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I’ve edited the post
/r/askTRP24/01/19 08:09 PM
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/r/askTRP24/01/19 08:09 PM
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/r/askTRP24/01/19 08:09 PM
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/r/askTRP24/01/19 08:08 PM
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I’ve edited the post
/r/askTRP24/01/19 08:08 PM
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I’ll message you now about it
/r/askTRP24/01/19 08:06 PM
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I have messaged you with the piece of clothing
/r/askTRP24/01/19 07:43 PM
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You lost me there man
/r/askTRP23/01/19 11:37 PM
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I’m not denying I haven’t gotten rid of the beta in me but when I say hang around women I don’t mean all the time until it drains me of my time and energy, just whenever I feel like it?
/r/askTRP23/01/19 11:33 PM
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I’m in the same situation, I could game this far girl and eventually have sex with her but bringing her back would definitely have girls that I know talk shit to me. Do you reckon I should only go to the girls place or get a hotel? I think the girl won’t be able to let me go to her place which is why I wanted her to come to mine?
/r/askTRP23/01/19 09:42 PM
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“On the flip side, no quality woman will welcome the company of guy friends unless she is the kind of chick that almost exclusively entertains that company, meaning you will be competing in this small group of guys for the attention of one female who will come and go as she wishes, dangling just enough carrot for you to jump forward like a dancing monkey only to disappear when you try to escalate.” Especially highly agree with this part of your view but you’re spot on. I’m just wondering though,…
/r/askTRP23/01/19 09:21 PM
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This is exactly what I’m fearing, I see other guys on my course being friends with these women and I feel like I’m missing out as the women go out their way to talk to them but I’m worried that if I try to get to a relationship to that stage I might go into orbiter territory and lose self respect? I wouldn’t say they’re attracted to me which is correct, but I am trying to see if I could ether fuck them or their friends? But this is generally why I always keep to myself and don’t really maintain …
/r/askTRP23/01/19 04:12 PM
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I will try if I can but it would be very hard to do, I doubt I’d hang out with them outside of my classes and even if I do, they’d probably try to just friendzone me. I could try to ink them and drop hints and flirt, but if I get shit down the whole relationship might turn sour and I’d get salty about losing my self respect if I still try to be friends? I’d rather just be friends and fuck her friends?
/r/askTRP23/01/19 03:48 PM
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Yeah that is what I am trying to do, I want to be more social, it just gets so boring only having Male friends and a lot of these girls I want to fuck but I can’t just approach them to just fuck and leave it at that if they are in my class, it would make me look socially retarded, of course I won’t orbit but I’ll hang with them whenever I feel like it and if it fits my frame?
/r/askTRP23/01/19 03:20 PM
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Because when I only focus on fucking them there is no relationship at all and just have Male friends which gets boring? I don’t mind having female “friends” as long as I don’t waste time on them, I’ll still keep them open to fucking them but I wouldn’t push it, would mainly just use it for social proof?
/r/askTRP23/01/19 03:18 PM
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How is nofap bullshit?
/r/askTRP23/01/19 03:11 PM
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Anytime you follow a girls social media or go out your way to text her and make it a big deal and just want her attention and validation she will firmly place you into orbiter category, definitely feel sorry for him too, I used to have a mentality like that before as well
/r/askTRP21/01/19 10:16 PM
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What do you mean by doing things?
/r/askTRP21/01/19 09:50 PM
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She has definitely fallen off of the pedestal and I’ve definitely seen her more objectively now, he life honestly seems like a mess psychologically especially as she seems like she can’t control her impulses through her having a lot of bad habits? But her with make up off especially showed how unhealthy she is
/r/askTRP21/01/19 06:44 PM
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Girls that are especially dependent on validation will be fickle like this, I’m sorry to hear that dude, I can relate to your experience definitely as I also had a oneitis who chose another dude over me But overall from all the women I’ve met, the ones that are psychologically unstable are the worst when it comes to trust or being reliable despite hypergamy
/r/askTRP21/01/19 06:42 PM
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I think what TRP misses is psychological vetting? Like she might look cute and all or be a HB9 but what about the person she actually is? If she is emotionally impulsive or has low self esteem or is heavily dependent on validation, you can count on fickle behaviour
/r/askTRP21/01/19 05:14 PM
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Wow that’s heavy oneitis
/r/askTRP21/01/19 05:12 PM
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This is definitely what TRP at its core is
/r/askTRP21/01/19 02:36 PM
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Thanks again for the insightful comments man, very valuable I always forget to qualify girls, in fact I’ve pretty much never qualified a girl, if she looked good and fuckable and I had a chance, I would thirst after it and throw away any notion of seeing if she is actually trash or not? A lot of the girls I had oneitis for turned out to be trash eventually even though I was blinded by them being into me and their looks? I used to chase pussy so much and it used to be like a validation thing for …
/r/askTRP21/01/19 02:36 PM
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Golden comment right here folks
/r/askTRP21/01/19 02:25 PM
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I feel the same now, matter of fact, the cute, innocent looking girls seemed to be the most flakey and two faced girls I’ve met compared to the “honest” sluts?
/r/askTRP21/01/19 02:07 PM
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You did it again man, this is absolute red pill gold The thing is, all of the pain and struggle a lot of RPers go through just to get women places them into the women’s frame by changing their behaviour to get the girl like you say It should be the opposite, you should be the prize and if she really liked you she would come to you? Anytime a girl was really into me she would’ve gone to me herself, not saying gaming doesn’t help or anything but frame and self esteem is much more important I think…
/r/askTRP21/01/19 01:43 PM
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Thank you man, it makes a lot of sense I just need to develop my DGAF attitude and reorient my frame because I care too much about a girls opinion about me sometimes
/r/askTRP21/01/19 11:47 AM
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Thank you, was waiting for a response like this, I knew this deep down but sometimes felt like I was wrong for not fitting the narrative f what girls “want” but then that’s approval seeking like you said I’m saving this comment man, it’s golddd (wanted to give a gold award but I’m broke dude)
/r/askTRP21/01/19 11:45 AM
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It’s mainly because she was a solid HB8 who reciprocated quite a lot which is why it got me w bit disappointed, but tire right about her just being one girl
/r/askTRP21/01/19 12:32 AM
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I’m actually quite self conscious about other people seeing me and hearing my conversation and watching me hit on a girl? I feel like it would make it quite awkward and tense and worst case scenario would be getting rejected in front of other people?
/r/askTRP21/01/19 12:31 AM
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Do you do cold approaches during the day? I’ve almost never done it because I fear rejection too much and I’m worried it seems a bit desperate? The only time I really game in real life is when going clubbing?
/r/askTRP20/01/19 06:05 PM
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I think I want to go another way, why contribute to the bullshit by just posting stuff that ups my SMV, that’s just adding to the bullshit rather than stopping it, the way I see it, it’s her problem if she doesn’t like it I understand that I shouldn’t take a risk but I’m giving up on OLD
/r/askTRP20/01/19 05:56 PM
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Because of investment, which is mostly my own fault
/r/askTRP20/01/19 05:22 PM
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I already know about the handbook but thank you
/r/askTRP20/01/19 05:11 PM
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So I’d have to log in to my account from the desktop first in order to access the mobile version?
/r/askTRP20/01/19 05:11 PM
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That’s her own fault, far from a weabo, it even said the artists name under the album cover so it showed it was a song, so stupid man (not you, her)
/r/askTRP20/01/19 04:16 PM
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Thank you man, I’ve read the side bar but it’s quite dense so I had to skim through a lot of material, but people say it’s a tool box so I haven’t gotten round to specifically find what I needed at the time yet and it’s harder now because of it not being available on reddit anymore I’ll search those up soon and I’ll save your comment for now, thank you
/r/askTRP20/01/19 03:32 PM
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No, I had other stuff on my story which was very interesting but I just wanted to show off this song because o really liked it as an extra, it wasn’t my main part of the story
/r/askTRP20/01/19 02:58 PM
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I know there’s plenty of girls out here but she was actually quite hot, pretty much a solid HB8 even tho she seems slightly heavy on the makeup And I don’t go clubbing as often as I would like which makes me rely on tinder quite a bit (I also barely day game, haven’t got the confidence for it yet) And she seemed quite into me, she reciprocated every time I hit her up, almost met up with her but I was too busy I posted a song on my story which showed an album cover of an anime girl in a bikini, i…
/r/askTRP20/01/19 02:47 PM
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Exactly, fuck her, it’s my life, I do what I want, she would highly likely flake anyways, I’m going to take real life more seriously than tinder which is something o should’ve done ages ago but o had my self confidence invested in getting tinder matches which is why o used to take it quite seriously and forgot that it’s just a validation app for women
/r/askTRP20/01/19 02:45 PM
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Thanks for clarifying man
/r/askTRP20/01/19 02:33 PM
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So mate guarding is okay if you have an ltr/wife? I thought it was never okay?
/r/askTRP20/01/19 02:16 PM
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That’s actually very true, the more I text the worse it gets for me usually
/r/askTRP20/01/19 02:16 PM
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I don’t get he joke?
/r/MGTOW19/01/19 07:13 PM
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The problem was I wasn’t available to date at the time but didn’t want to lose their interest by not texting, so I kept texting them to keep and build rapport but as soon as I ask them for availability or whether they want to meet up it’s either no response or sometimes left on seen, even got blocked one time just because I wanted to confirm a date But I do agree that whenever I try to set up a date immediately as soon as possible (when I’m available) that it usually works out bar the flakes?
/r/askTRP19/01/19 07:13 PM
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Are you black or red pilled?
/r/MGTOW19/01/19 03:55 PM
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Yeah I’m so used to asking all the time, I know this is in the sidebar but Alpha Male Strategies said in a video to ask for their availability and he seems to ask them as well (not sure if I remember right) which is why I went with his advice?
/r/askTRP19/01/19 03:38 PM
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Is mate guarding something you should never do in general?
/r/askTRP19/01/19 03:32 PM
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How do I go about telling them though? Doesn’t it seem a bit weird to just be like “Come meet me at X tomorrow? Or is that the right way? Because usually I ask them
/r/askTRP19/01/19 02:09 PM
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Yeah for example I had good rapport with a chick from tinder on snapchat (not the best way to communicate I know) but when I ask for her number she leaves me on seen, then when I ask her if she would still want to meet up regardless of her giving her number she leaves that on seen as well? Obviously I’ll move on and not message her no more, but is it a good idea to try again if I feel like hitting her up again or should I hard next already? I still don’t understand shit tests fully even though I…
/r/askTRP19/01/19 11:35 AM
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Thank you very much man, my former oneitis especially fucked me up, strung me along for months only to actually break my heart as beta as that sounds
/r/askTRP19/01/19 03:42 AM
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I see, so anything is a soft next as long as you don’t explicitly tell the other person that you never want to see them again? I’m currently soft meeting my former oneitis but I feel bad because this cuts me off from the friend group I had which makes me feel like I won’t hang out with them because of me meeting her?
/r/askTRP19/01/19 03:29 AM
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What’s the difference between a soft and hard next?
/r/askTRP18/01/19 02:54 AM
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This is exactly what I’ve learned myself as well, I used to externally seek validation and pleasure but it was never enough and never made me grow or feel secure as a person
/r/MGTOW18/01/19 12:32 AM
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Brilliant quote, time is way more valuable than we realise
/r/MGTOW17/01/19 09:42 AM
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It’s almost as if they think I’m ignoring them when I don’t watch their stories on social media or if I don’t message them? But I just can’t put up with wasting my time anymore? Reddit has been very useful for me but it can be a time consumer sometimes
/r/askTRP17/01/19 06:20 AM
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I hope he does so he can shut them down
/r/MGTOW14/01/19 02:17 PM
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Thanks for the advise, this is what seems right to do as following her on IG would definitely make me just another orbiter and she could talk crap about me with her friends
/r/askTRP12/01/19 07:32 PM
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I know but it might backfire since we are in the same social group and if it backfires I might see her again if I go over to my friends house?
/r/askTRP12/01/19 07:31 PM
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I understand that’s what a good cold approach would be but I think it would be way too risky, don’t know whether she thinks of me as a friend or not, I’d have to escalate it in a different way I think, like just be real subtle about it?
/r/askTRP12/01/19 02:09 PM
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What are some ways I could come across creepy by accident? I thought asking her if she wants to “talk” somewhere more quite could come across as creepy?
/r/askTRP12/01/19 12:51 PM
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What crime where they charged with? How the hell is it a crime to talk to someone and film them in a public space? Unless it’s harassment, but if it’s harassment then they wouldn’t be talking to them?
/r/MGTOW12/01/19 12:29 PM
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Haha I love how you flipped the script, I’m definitely gonna game her friends, big mistake she made indeed
/r/askTRP12/01/19 07:17 AM
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I can definitely see where you’re coming from What made me gravitate towards the red pill is the gynocentric society we mostly live in? Like I wish that blue pill fantasy of the perfect, emotionally stable and loyal girl who would be with me forever would marry me but I just keep hearing time and time again about all of these stories of men getting burned by marriage or LTR’s gone sour? I’ve been through that blue pill lens before as well in that I tried to attract women through being nice and d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 05:14 AM
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Yeah they’d much rather just keep receiving messages everyday than actually get something out of it and meet, agree with their heads being totally messed these days
/r/askTRP11/01/19 08:50 AM
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I love this reply dude, I might as well buy her a glass slipper haha
/r/askTRP11/01/19 08:11 AM
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Amazing comment
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 07:59 AM
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Yeah in the past I was being nice by ignoring my own needs so I agree. What defines a good woman and what defines a trashy one according to you? And why are you in the oriole pill by the way if you don’t subscribe to the RP ideology? How do you view the world? And I still think that hypergamy is possible in all women, it’s just that trashy women are more likely to act on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 05:40 AM
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Is would even say I might be a 6 because of being very skinny? But you’re right about not giving them attention before the sex
/r/askTRP11/01/19 05:38 AM
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Oh yeah I forfeit to say she said to meet up with her and her friends, not just me and her, doesn’t that show low interest?
/r/askTRP11/01/19 05:36 AM
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I see what you mean, I’ve been talking to her for a while but she didn’t give me her number, instead she told me I should message her on tinder if I feel like meeting up with her and her friends??
/r/askTRP11/01/19 12:26 AM
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You’re a shit friend man
/r/askTRP11/01/19 12:21 AM
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“It simply describes women with an anxious-preoccupied attachment style and TRP prescribes a dismissive-avoidant attachment style, which are attractive to each other.” I subscribe to the red pill ideology but I’d have to highly agree with this, I’ve never seen this discussed in the TRP community before but it was always at the back of my mind What if all these girls we pursue using TRP strategies are just narcissistic and insecure or like you say, have that certain attachment style while us TRPe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:12 AM
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But doesn’t TRP teach about vetting girls for low N counts?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:08 AM
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I’ve been there myself, was really nice to girls I really liked and granted one of them did get feelings for me, but I wasn’t sure whether I wanted anything with her as I wasn’t attracted to her and I feel like she was emotionally needy? Other than that, every time I’ve been nice to girls I just get friendzoned and strung along like the idiot I was Girls seem much more attracted to me now that I mind my business and don’t put them on a pedestal? What about hypergamy by the way? A dime means a gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:06 AM
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What does CMV mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 11:40 PM
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What about AWALT then? I agree that some women are just trash and not relationship worthy, but it’s not like RP men chase trash unless they only want a high N count like you said? I wouldn’t mind just having sex with trash girls, but it’s the dimes that I’d rather try to see if I have a shot at a relationship with?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 11:36 PM
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The thing is, we have something special in common which is why I considered meeting her (I can’t say what this thing is to stay private) but even then you’re right because it will just be an exercise in attention and validation seeking for her? Maybe just enjoy the night and game other girls while I’m there if I decide to go like the other commenter said?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 10:25 PM
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I don’t approach much in real life if I game at night because I’m not that confident in my body at the moment? So if I get shut down it hits me that I get shut down because I don’t have a gym body and the rejection would make me depressed? Also I match with HB8s and 9’s sometimes and they reply and sometimes even give their number, if they were only looking for 9’s and 10’s on tinder, why would they bother with me (since I’m about a 7?)
/r/askTRP10/01/19 10:23 PM
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This is some A1 golden advise, almost forgot about just gaming other girls while there, I think I definitely should Last time I went out with a group of girls I didn’t game any other girls out of guilt, is this the wrong approach?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 09:16 PM
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Haha I’m sorry man, I spend way too much time on tinder and reddit, it’s not helping me get rid of my blue pill tendencies
/r/askTRP10/01/19 09:05 PM
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The thing is, she’s only in town for a very short while before moving out again, should I give it a shot? She might want to try something since she’s not gonna be her again? But I definitely understand that since she’s not clearly interested, she’s not worth pursuing?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 08:53 PM
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Yeah i might try it for one night as she’s gonna be out of town soon so she might want to do something if she’s not going to be back in ages again?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 08:51 PM
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She replied but didn’t give me her number, she just told me to message her again if I want to meet up?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 07:15 PM
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She didn’t give me her number after she replied but told me to message her again if I want to meet up?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 07:14 PM
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She didn’t give me her number but told me to message her on tinder if I want to meet up?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 07:14 PM
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But usually me spamming them with messages just results in them unmatchjng me if they haven’t replied to me yet?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 06:33 PM
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But usually me spamming them with messages just results in them unmatchjng me if they haven’t replied to me yet?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 06:33 PM
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Ill wait a few days, update my tinder pic, Make sure it shows up on the feed so she sees it and if she still hasn’t messaged back I’ll unmatch and report The thing is, won’t your tinder profile get more matches if you already have quite a lot of previous matches, like won’t more matches improve your ELO score?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 06:32 PM
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But why report though? Isn’t that a bit overkill? What if I meet this girl in person, because she lives quite close?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 06:16 PM
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That’s true, I feel like a lot of these infield don’t date down either? I wouldn’t mind having sex with a girl one or two SMV points below me but a lot of these infield won’t even try and seem stuck in their rage that they can’t get a HB9 like Chad can?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 05:14 PM
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Oh yeah the attention seeking and validation thing, totally agree They love getting all the attention but when it comes to finally actually meeting, they hit you with the “sorry I’m busy this day” You ask again a couple of times later and it’s the same story, think I’ll just ask for their availability from now on so I won’t get played
/r/askTRP10/01/19 05:12 PM
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Good advise dude, by the way there was this video on that channel that showed a disabled girl still wanting a non disabled chad and even turned down a disabled guy who was not even bad looking?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 05:06 PM
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Yeah it’s as if they black pill dudes just never want to change because they don’t see the point of it?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 05:05 PM
1

Wait what do you mean by your last sentence?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 05:04 PM
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Looooool my phone dude, gotta blame autocorrect 😂 But won’t the power dynamic be in the girls frame if she has an ugly boyfriend? Wouldn’t she be secretly cheating on him with Chads anyway? Won’t he have to bend over backwards just to keep this girl in a relationship with him, would it even be worth it at that point?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 05:03 PM
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Haha you mean I’m still not fully red pulled bro?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 04:58 PM
1

Wait, what do you do when you match them again? I’ve unmatched a girl then matched her again but it was the same result of her having pretty much no interest?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 04:57 PM
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Yeah that’s true
/r/askTRP10/01/19 04:55 PM
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I’m fairly attractive looks wise (sorry if that sounds stuck up), so it would show her what she’s missing out on, not that it would be that effective though
/r/askTRP10/01/19 04:54 PM
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I’d rather not unmatch, she might regret it and come back again and If update on of my tinder pics to “dread” her?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 04:51 PM
1

Just what I thought, AMS is a genius, but I’ve been hearing about the black pill recently, have you heard of that channel called FaceandLMS? I might make a post about this soon
/r/askTRP10/01/19 01:44 PM
1

Very good advice but tone down on the insults man no need for it
/r/askTRP10/01/19 01:43 PM
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The thing is bro, that’s just not my style? Like why would I change my whole wardrobe or my sense of style just to fit this girls preferences? I really appreciate your well thought out response though so I will definitely save it for the future
/r/askTRP10/01/19 01:42 PM
1

Small Nike logos, champion, Guess?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 02:37 AM
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Your true colours shining through
/r/MGTOW10/01/19 02:24 AM
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No you attempted a personal attack, claiming I don’t understand how human beings work, as if my mind is flawed or something, it has nothing to do with my points made and makes me lose massive respect for you, think I’m done discussing
/r/MGTOW10/01/19 02:21 AM
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None of this addresses my points, try again Choosing, not to interact with someone and leave them be doesn’t make you a “cunt” in fact, it can be better than bruising their ego if you tell them the truth, like I said earlier smh
/r/MGTOW10/01/19 02:17 AM
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So a person can’t decide for themselves to move on from someone that hasn’t contacted them in weeks or months? Seems like the problem lies at the person unable to move on and accept ghosting for what it is? All relationships should be voluntary, there should be no forced interactions, people are free to leave anytime without an explanation. It’s a “Shitty” thing to do, but people aren’t obligated to be nice to you
/r/MGTOW10/01/19 02:04 AM
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I think I misdirected you guys by saying designer, it’s more streetwear brands, so Nike and stuff like that?
/r/askTRP10/01/19 01:30 AM
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You don’t owe them an explanation? Hell, I’d rather not explain it and be honest to not hurt the other persons ego? Granted they could take constructive criticism but I doubt they’d apply it anyways as their behaviours are deeply ingrained so it’s easier to just leave
/r/MGTOW10/01/19 01:29 AM
1

I see what you mean, I think it was because I watched an older video of his
/r/askTRP10/01/19 12:26 AM
1

This comment is hilarious dude 😂😂
/r/MGTOW10/01/19 12:05 AM
1

Thank you man, I don’t know why everyone is so anxious about dressing so well on a first date, it just screams discomfort to me and t just makes me feel like I’m slightly entering her frame Just seems so formal Also just a side note: I have quite weirdly shaped shoes that I really like but is quite a subjective taste like marmite so not many people might like it however I really like the shoes myself, is it worth risking wearing it to a date or should I tone it down to more neutral sneakers?
/r/askTRP09/01/19 07:45 PM
3

I see what you mean, of course all those blue polled people will encourage him to find “love” again
/r/MGTOW09/01/19 07:43 PM
1

I have ghosted her for a long time though, might seem a bit weird if I just message her out of the blue for that? I might message her if she comments again
/r/askTRP09/01/19 07:42 PM
1

That’s very true, I’ve got this ex plate that keeps posting unwanted comments on my social media every time I make a post, should I ignore her or message her to stop commenting or just block her if she doesn’t take the hint when I ignore her?
/r/askTRP09/01/19 05:58 PM
2

Thank you man, I admit, I’ve adopted the alpha mindset but still haven’t extinguished the inner beta
/r/askTRP09/01/19 05:57 PM
2

He should NOT remarry, he’s already had the marriage experience and successfully reproduced, he should live the bachelor lifestyle now with his billions despite the divorce
/r/MGTOW09/01/19 05:56 PM
2

I can feel your rage bro, this is some out of this world ridiculousness this divorce
/r/MGTOW09/01/19 05:54 PM
1

Which factors?
/r/askTRP09/01/19 05:51 PM
1

I’ll try that, I think I’m too anxious to do that, my frame is quite weak That’s also why I feel like I want to dress how I dress day to day with the joggers and all so it would help me stay in my frame?
/r/askTRP09/01/19 05:36 PM
1

And the Gucci loafers too ;)
/r/askTRP09/01/19 05:35 PM
1

Exactly, however some girls seem to get more interested after you ghost them?
/r/askTRP09/01/19 05:35 PM
1

That’s true, I wouldn’t mind by then if it goes well, I wouldn’t bring up splitting the bill tho, probably just keep quite and see if she pays herself?
/r/askTRP09/01/19 03:41 PM
1

Thanks for the video, he’s got some very good points, especially about the underwear, my underwear game is so weak haha But seriously, I like his point about not flexing too much on a date, but I could never see myself wearing a shirt or boots? Just not my style? Also I don’t wear shirts because I’m quite slim, so usually wear jumpers? I will wear jeans on the first date though because it might come across as an insult if I turn up in joggers as it would show I don’t care? What about sneakers th…
/r/askTRP09/01/19 03:40 PM
0

Thanks for linking the articles man Yeah by pushed I mean she will start bringing up getting food on the first date or something like that, obviously I’d shut it down but my abundance mentality can be weak sometimes so there’s a chance I could give in to her frame?
/r/askTRP09/01/19 03:05 PM
13

I personally find it hard to leave it at logistics only as I need to try the 100% logistics only route myself but I find it doesn’t hurt to build rapport with a girl if you’re not going to meet up for a long time? Just don’t validate or text too much or give too much attention
/r/askTRP09/01/19 02:50 PM
0

I definitely see what you mean, you should definitely check AMS’s videos out though, he’s highly revered by a lot of red pullers on here and has some solid advise And it’s true that it’s not as black or white but I feel like I don’t want to take the risk? Some of the girls I know live like, 2 hours away, if I don’t escalate it to sex, wouldn’t they expect a dinner date from me? Is it not more worthwhile to push for sex if a girl lived far away? My worst fear is being pushed into a dinner date ou…
/r/askTRP09/01/19 02:39 PM
1

It wouldn’t be a dinner date though? Just a casual coffee shop/bar date? Would it still matter? And the joggers I’d wear would be black and quite expensive? Not that she’d notice that though
/r/askTRP09/01/19 02:29 PM
1

Have you never watched Alpha Males Strategies’s videos? He always says to aim for sex on the first date or she has you pegged as a beta Male? I know it sounds extreme but don’t most girls give it up to chad on the first date? Why allow them to make you work harder for it if they really liked you? And it puts you in the provider category because it would make you seem scared to escalate t to sex, if you take her to a bar it sets the tone for sex as it’s more fun and lighthearted and less serious …
/r/askTRP09/01/19 02:26 PM
1

Thank you
/r/askTRP09/01/19 02:06 PM
1

That’s what I wear, except I almost always wear black joggers, would that be a bad thing?
/r/askTRP09/01/19 02:06 PM
1

Yeah me too, I never risk dinner dates, I aim for the bar?
/r/askTRP09/01/19 02:05 PM
1

I have quite thin legs and pretty much always wear joggers? Should I still wear jeans on a date? It makes me feel like I’m entering her frame by changing my comfort level? Black joggers by the way so they might still seem alright?
/r/askTRP09/01/19 02:04 PM
1

I feel like dressing as if I go clubbing would be quite uncomfortable for me and put me in her frame? I find jeans uncomfortable so would wear black joggers and I would be too cold in a shirt so would prefer to wear a jumper? But isn’t this a bit too casual even tho they’re still designer branded jumper and joggers?
/r/askTRP09/01/19 01:08 PM
4

Of course, £1000 tuxedo for a random thot could never go wrong ;)
/r/askTRP09/01/19 01:06 PM
1

This exactly, I feel like I should dress like how I dress everyday but maybe turn it up a notch a little? And I can’t stand wearing jeans, I usually wear joggers, is that a bad thing for a date?
/r/askTRP09/01/19 01:06 PM
1

My style is mostly sporty but smart? Would it be a turn off to wear joggers to a date even though they’re black and an expensive brand? I can’t stand jeans
/r/askTRP09/01/19 01:05 PM
1

Most of my designer brands have huge logos on them? What should I do?
/r/askTRP09/01/19 01:04 PM
1

You got me there
/r/askTRP09/01/19 01:03 PM
1

If it causes you pain and suffering like that so easily, then you were a poor judge of character and chose the wrong person to develop feelings for? So if people might get potentially upset, we should force ourselves to uphold a relationship that does us no good?
/r/MGTOW09/01/19 01:03 PM
2

I would never wear a suit to a date but I’d be wearing designer brands, is that a bit try hard?
/r/askTRP09/01/19 10:08 AM
2

What??? You dress as if it’s an interview? Isn’t that taking it wayyyyy too seriously? And aren’t girls put off by handshakes? Seems like you treat them like a friend if you give them one? Aren’t handshakes a masculine thing mostly used for leaving an impression for other men?
/r/askTRP09/01/19 10:07 AM
7

Why is ghosting terrible? Are we forced to interact with people or something?
/r/MGTOW09/01/19 09:30 AM
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I love this comment bro, we always think being red pulled means being heartless but I admire OP for having integrity to be able to stop leading her on I know I know, women lead us on, but if a girl is head over heels like this over you, it would shatter her heart knowing she’s just a plate bro
/r/askTRP09/01/19 01:44 AM
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Go with your gut feeling but why not try a relationship if she doesn’t have any or many red flags? It’s up to you but do what feels right, remember AWALT but you can still take a shot at a relationship if she seems worth it
/r/askTRP09/01/19 01:43 AM
1

Yeah it’s true it’s very geared to hookups or FWB arrangements, I’m surprised people still expect relationships from the app?
/r/askTRP07/01/19 09:21 PM
1

Wow theatre do you mean by keeping people single? How would they do that?
/r/askTRP07/01/19 07:40 PM
1

1000 matches? What do you look like? Are you jacked? 😂 I thought 200 was much but 1000 is insane And you still got flaked, ghosted blocked and ignored? So it’s just tinder that’s woefully unreliable?
/r/askTRP07/01/19 07:08 PM
1

Had the problem of wanting to fuck this girl but also being her friend? But I feel like she was just using me as an orbiter for validation and attention? She then “indirectly” rejected me which caused me to soft next her and withdraw attention? Did I do the right thing? I still want to be friends with her because I like her but I feel disrespected by her rejecting me and don’t want to just be used for validation?
/r/askTRP07/01/19 07:06 PM
1

Yeah I’ve had the same deal with my female friends, it’s mostly me doing all the work to keep the relationship alive? They do usually ask me to come around and hang with them but otherwise nothing really happens? And what do you mean by %20 social skills?
/r/askTRP07/01/19 07:04 PM
1

Well I’ve been rejected by a female friend who showed me a lot of IOI’s from the start but I withdrew so I didn’t turn into an orbiter after she rejected me indirectly and not outright? I just felt like she was using me for attention and validation but I still don’t mind being friends but it just seems beta and pathetic if I try to be friends with her now? I’m mainly friends with her friends but they all hang out together so what should I do about this? And did I handle it the right way by withd…
/r/askTRP07/01/19 07:02 PM
1

So what does orbiter involve to be exact? Does that mean: - Not being an emotional tampon - Not constantly hang out with her -Not get manipulated into paying for stuff -Not letting her disrespect you or your time? -Not liking all her posts on social media or watch her instagram/Snapchat stories? And is it wrong if I like some female friend’s instagram pictures or watch their stories, would that turn me into another orbiter?
/r/askTRP07/01/19 06:59 PM
1

I can understand, I hate how girls try to crawl back to you after they’ve rejected you?
/r/askTRP07/01/19 06:57 PM
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It’s all about that cheap, temporary hit they get from a new like or follower, they don’t actually care about the person And at some point might actually start to believe they are some superior, VIP slut you have to look up to
/r/askTRP07/01/19 06:49 PM
1

Yeah fuck her, we gotta be beter than this, she’s just a dumb thot like the other guy said, so trashy
/r/askTRP07/01/19 09:16 AM
1

I was thinking of putting it on my social media but no one on my social media knows her and it would be out of context as well and it would make me look butthurt as well. And it makes me look beta as hell by the fact that I messaged her after she blocked me Yeah the police because I couldn’t think of anything else as she blocked me on social media?
/r/askTRP07/01/19 09:07 AM
1

Thank you man, you seem to have internalised TRP very well, I read a lot of RP material but haven’t internalised it yet I’ve been speaking to this girl for a year or two and she was going to be a plate out of town which is what got me invested, was very close to fucking her a couple of days ago but I bailed because it wasn’t worth the effort and risk Was totally surprised when she told me she had a boyfriend, not ONCE in those two years did she mention having a boyfriend despite sending multiple…
/r/askTRP07/01/19 09:06 AM
0

Actually quite the opposite, I hate SJW’s as well but wanted to teach this girl a lesson not to go around disrespecting people like that
/r/askTRP07/01/19 09:02 AM
1

Sorry to hear that dude and you’re right about that as well. She’s not worth the time and energy to be wasted on that so will be deleting this post soon
/r/askTRP07/01/19 08:54 AM
1

Yeah this is very true, thank you for helping me by the way you make a lot of good points I’ve cancelled the police report, I just wanted to teach her a lesson so she realises she can’t go around disrespecting people like that. But that would be a massive waste of time for me and she’s not worth that She’s not even on that level dude, she’s just a girl as the same level as trash to me now
/r/askTRP07/01/19 08:53 AM
1

Why is everyone so scared of looking “butthurt”? If I’m angry and don’t respect someone, I’ll make sure that disrespect is known, she’ll be lucky to not catch me in town once I’m back again Yeah I know revenge fantasies are stupid but it would be sweet if she got a taste of her own medicine You’re right though, it’s a very minor incident so I should cancel the police report and just move on, o just wanted to teach her a lesson to not fuck with me but why should I care so much about this one girl…
/r/askTRP07/01/19 08:42 AM
1

Thanks bro, I’ll cancel the police report, I just didn’t want to let her get away with that, also I’ve checked all the messages I’ve sent and I doubt she could charge me for abuse, everything was consensual But anyways, it’s not worth my time like the other poster said
/r/askTRP07/01/19 08:41 AM
1

I have her number and all social media, we were about to go to a hotel to have sex but I cancelled, she blocked me a couple of days later, I was surprised why, messaged her and then she responded, wasn’t on tinder or insta
/r/askTRP07/01/19 08:33 AM
1

Yeah hate speech is free speech then? Guess I’ll give her a verbal lashing if I ever come across her in person, return the favour
/r/askTRP07/01/19 08:29 AM
1

Can’t give away too many details but just asked her why she blocked me as I did not do anything rude or even spam her with messages She responds with saying she has a boyfriend (which she never told me about) and then called me a racial slur
/r/askTRP07/01/19 08:28 AM
0

I’m not even rattled, I just feel like she shouldn’t be getting away with doing shit like that? No creepy beta shit, just messaged her after she blocked me because I want sure what I did wrong for her to block me
/r/askTRP07/01/19 08:24 AM
1

On one hand I want to be friends like genuinely on the other hand o just find it so emasculating to turn into an orbiter eventuallly I want the happy medium of being friends with boundaries but it’s hard to pull off
/r/askTRP06/01/19 09:08 PM
1

My problem is that most female friends I make I end up want to have sex with and end up liking them romantically and when t doesn’t work out I get bitter and stop orbiting and distance myself from the girl?
/r/askTRP06/01/19 09:03 PM
1

I see what you mean, it’s a very good explanation and clears a lot of things up But doesn’t it show abundance mentality and frame to her if I don’t beg for her pussy? Doesn’t t show that I have options? Her ego is very inflated though, I told her it’s risky for me to raise my family’s suspicions and 9 o’clock is a ridiculous time to get up to meet her, it would mean getting out of bed at 8 to go outside in the freezing cold, I would probably have the lamest excuse to give to my family which they…
/r/askTRP06/01/19 08:52 PM
1

How do you deal with not talking to your female friends for long periods of time? I feel like if I don’t see them physically they stop messaging me or talking to me? It’s always me that has to pursue them? I’m tired of that to be frank And isn’t it much better to just focus on raising your SMV rather than rely on social game?
/r/askTRP06/01/19 08:22 PM
1

All the female friends I have barely talk to me unless I orbit them or talk to them and chase them which brings out my beta tendencies and makes me lose my time and energy to them?
/r/askTRP06/01/19 08:20 PM
1

So how can you be friends with a woman without being an orbiter? It almost seems impossible, they will want to use you for validation straight away and pidgin hole you into beta subservience? All the female “friends” I currently have I barely talk to, when I used to talk to them I just turned bets and became an orbiter and I had to remove myself from a humiliating position like that?
/r/askTRP06/01/19 08:18 PM
1

So how do you do social game if you’re not friends with any girls and don’t want to become their orbiters? I have friends who are friends with girls but I see what they have to put up with and it puts me off of being friends with girls and even social game because of it?
/r/askTRP06/01/19 08:17 PM
1

Can definitely agree with you on their extreme fickleness, it’s not even an exaggeration
/r/askTRP06/01/19 08:14 PM
1

Your best friend, ouch, she did that on purpose
/r/askTRP06/01/19 08:13 PM
1

How does she see me as beta if I didn’t give a fuck about her pussy like that?
/r/askTRP06/01/19 08:13 PM
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This
/r/askTRP06/01/19 02:47 PM
1

This is actually very good advice, sometimes it’s okay to just go to the place of the date and if she flakes, just have a good time in town by yourself or game other women It’s so true that sometimes they flake to see you’re frame
/r/askTRP06/01/19 02:20 PM
3

She will probably crawl back to me after a couple of months, she did it before and she’s way lower SMV than me, she’s actually quite trashy but I wanted to fuck her because her body was decent and her face was alright I will game other girls, it’s just that o wanted to fuck her when I was back in town again but I’ll just have to meet other girls I guess
/r/askTRP06/01/19 02:18 PM
8

She probably got butthurt I didn’t worship her pussy and wake up in the morning for it and risk making my family suspicious. It’s like the meet was totally in her frame, fuck that, she’s not even a HB7, more like HB6
/r/askTRP06/01/19 02:08 PM
1

So go to the place of the date regardless? Doesn’t it sting to go there and realise you got flakes? Or wait until she sends a confirmation and if she doesn’t assume she flaked?
/r/askTRP06/01/19 02:00 PM
3

I haven’t seen this in the side bar yet but always felt that the word date comes across as do beta and shows no social skills as it straight away implies that you are slave to her frame and want to take her for a dinner date so bad you’d even be polite about it and not just ask her to meet up?
/r/askTRP06/01/19 10:40 AM
1

Isn’t the main sub quarantined?
/r/askTRP06/01/19 05:08 AM
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If you do so frequently, nothing wrong with checking once in a while but if you become a consistent follower, you’re just another number on her list of people who watch her stories that will make her feed off of the validation that gives her, so mostly yes you orbit them
/r/askTRP06/01/19 01:24 AM
1

Yeah that is going to be terrible, I’ll see how it goes
/r/askTRP05/01/19 11:43 PM
1

I don’t think I’ve ever heard of that book before? Is it a core RP book? You mean it’s a shit test that she flakes? Like she wants me to chase her and feed off of the validation that she will get from that? I’m planning to make her know that by just straight up not talking to her anymore until I’m back in town again
/r/askTRP05/01/19 11:42 PM
1

Yeah as soon as nudes are exchange it ruins everything from what I’ve seen? They’re much less likely to meet you then?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 11:40 PM
1

I enjoy talking to her and getting sexual in the texts but it feels like I’m duplicating her and kissing her ass and feeding her validation and ego? I also want to send her a message that she can’t just disrespect my time like that by flaking and coming up with excuses? I want to ignore her for a while and then maybe send a text or two here and there to keep her interest but even that feels like there’s no point?also in your last paragraph did you mean to say that if my goal is to meet up with h…
/r/askTRP05/01/19 11:39 PM
1

What if she will just string me along for attention and validation and will flake again if I try to meet? That is what I fear the most, putting in effort chatting and then getting nothing to show for it when it comes to reality?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 10:19 PM
5

I see what you mean, just don’t care emotionally and invest emotionally which is solid advice
/r/askTRP05/01/19 10:18 PM
1

Taken on board, I definitely get nothing in return for all that attention but I do get addicted to the sexual messages she sends back if she did, I have to curb that tendency in myself
/r/askTRP05/01/19 10:18 PM
2

Thank you, it’s just so hard when dating apps are so easily accessible and make you forget about self improvement but I’m definitely considering going monk We almost ended up going to a hotel to fuck but she had to reschedule which is why I believed we were so close but I think I agree with you that she was stringing me along for attention, I should’ve shit it down from the start and only texted for logistics but my beta ass showered her with golden amounts of attention, compliments and validati…
/r/askTRP05/01/19 10:14 PM
10

How do you hold frame? Do you just continue talking to her if she shits you down?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 10:02 PM
1

Singles allowed if they pay a small fee on the door
/r/askTRP05/01/19 09:48 PM
1

Mainly because she was up for sex straight away, we were entirely sexual when talking to each other and got very close to meeting up and fucking, but she ruined it for herself by rescheduling, then coming onto her period and today she had an apparent incident which seems like complete bullshit? Normally if a girl isn’t sexual I lose interest quickly but as soon as she’s sexual I get driven wild and lose self control?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 09:48 PM
0

It’s confusing, I’ve gone above and beyond with my beta behaviour when texting her but she was so close to meeting up to just have sex but she rescheduled and then she was on her period and today she came up with a lame ass excuse not to meet? I agree that I’m getting fixated on her but it’s because she promised me sex outright and we were very sexual over text, like o got so close to fucking here but she’s pulled off bullshit moves it’s so annoying And if I hard next, should I block her?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 09:45 PM
1

This is so true, I’ve read loads of RP material but it doesn’t work until I unplug from distractions and focus on living my real, present life? I always slide into beta behaviour as soon as a girl gets sexual over text which is one of my biggest flaws. The thing is, how do I maintain a girls interest so that I could meet her again when I’m back in town again? She said she would be up for coming to my town and stay over after a couple of months but I’m worried that if I don’t keep talking to her …
/r/askTRP05/01/19 09:19 PM
3

This, exactly this, why do we as men never hold women accountable?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 09:16 PM
1

How could I try to have a good chance of seeing her again if she’s back in town or if she comes to my town? I’ve asked her to come to my town so she could stay over for a while but o feel like if I don’t keep talking to her until then she’ll lose interest?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 09:15 PM
1

There’s a swingers club that is quite easy to get into which is why I have considered it and I was tempted to go because some of the women there could be very hot despite being chubby or older But you’re right that a lot of them will probably be unattractive and entitled fat women letting their “sexual power” get to their heads?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 08:47 PM
1

Should I watch her stories or ignore them?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 08:41 PM
1

How is it like then?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 03:46 PM
2

I see what you mean, that’s exactly why I felt like sending the confirmation text in the first place, so I could cut my losses early instead of anticipating that the date would still happen
/r/askTRP05/01/19 03:17 PM
1

Yeah I’ve blocked her everywhere on social media, she can still view my stories though so I can DHV and try again once I’m back in town but I’ll definitely stop talking to her
/r/askTRP05/01/19 01:54 PM
1

Yeah it’s saving your comment to remind myself, I think it’s my anxiety pushing me to send a confirmation text way too early like that
/r/askTRP05/01/19 01:53 PM
2

But what is he supposed to do instead though? Leave her message on seen or reply with a small paragraph? Won’t a small paragraph come across as needy? And isn’t it good to send her the message that you won’t bend over backwards for her if she doesn’t offer anything in return? I feel like one word replies are a good way to convey that?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 01:52 PM
5

That’s my plan going forward, it seems needy asking to confirm and it gives them a chance to come up with a lame excuse
/r/askTRP05/01/19 01:25 PM
0

Yeah I had the urge to text her a paragraph about how disappointed I was that she couldn’t turn up and that I wished I saw her but hey would just feed her ego and show neediness like you said I’ve just sent her a one word reply and she left me on read but it’s okay because she couldn’t have answered anything to my one word reply, but it’s my way of showing her I’m cutting off attention I used to text her day by day and reply almost instantly but I won’t hit her up unless she gets back to me I’m …
/r/askTRP05/01/19 01:24 PM
1

Did I get strung along? I was texting her non stop because it was all sexual so I got addicted to it and because I was horny, she was up for meeting and fucking right away but rescheduled, then got on her period and now she’s had an incident but it all just seems bullshit to me?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 01:12 PM
1

Should I DHV on social media and soft next her or block her? I’m trying to meet her again when I’m back in town again but that’s going to be months down the line?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 01:06 PM
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Should I go to the place of the date just to hang out by myself a little and text her to tell her that I’m going there and she should let me know if she would still want to see me if she can?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 01:05 PM
0

She had an incident as is emotionally upset and not in the mood for talking, but I feel like this is just a random excuse she came up to justify her flake? I definitely cut off all forms of attention, also trying real hard to not go beta and tell her how I wish I could’ve seen her today and all that as it’s my last day in town so I won’t see her until I’m back again?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 01:00 PM
1

Yeah I just got a lame ass excuse from this bitch that rescheduled once and then came on her period and today she’s had an incident? What’s your advise for a situation like this?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 12:59 PM
0

Isn’t it too early to hard next if she doesn’t come up with a rescheduled date? What if I try two more times and then if the behaviour is still the same pattern I’d go for the hard next? Also, hard next or soft next?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 12:56 PM
4

You nailed it man, absolutely nailed it, it’s like they hide behind a defensive shield of make up, approval and Instagram followers to cover up for their deep sense of self loathing?
/r/askTRP05/01/19 12:55 PM
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