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Use "Hide from newsfeed". Don't delete, that's reactive.
/r/seduction07/09/11 04:17 PM
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In what way was she broken?
/r/seduction30/08/11 09:59 PM
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I think the most important thing is to project this frame of "I believe 100% that everything I'm doing is OK and normal." Then she's going to buy into it, and see you as a normal person, and have her normal attitudes about you. Otherwise, she's going to have alarm bells going off in her head while she's talking to you, triggered mostly by, "Who is this guy? Is he trying to sell me something?"
/r/seduction23/08/11 09:58 PM
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This is why women get moody, they will naturally push away the shitty guy they are with when they are ovulating so they can get some hot sperm in them That's pretty messed up.
/r/seduction17/08/11 10:38 PM
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Thanks. Interesting, maybe I'm starting to get over it.
/r/seduction10/08/11 04:26 PM
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LMAO. Can't believe you guys debated it this far. yokhai, you have a point. There are two scenarios we're talking about here: I don't do any work, but I demand a hand-out. "Hey, give me $5." I don't do any work, but I get to boss you around. "Hey, get over here." Well, #1 is annoying. But the funny thing is, #2 is attractive. The difference is that you deliver: you actually give value after you take value first.
/r/seduction10/08/11 12:47 AM
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It's all just wording... "a bit of unabashed over-cockiness" -- sunny confidence "a lack of humility" -- a lack of insecurity, self-doubt, cynicism, and pessimism "presence of slight disrespect" -- not taking people too seriously, humor "a willingness to impose upon others" -- a willingness to engage others. "an independent sense of self-regard" -- being self-directed and independent Do you still think this stuff is so bad? My point was that people like to re-frame ideas positively or negatively…
/r/seduction09/08/11 09:31 PM
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I hate RSD. Why?
/r/seduction09/08/11 09:09 PM
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I'm using the word "entitlement" from RSD's Blueprint. There's a tendency here to protect the community's image, so people like to phrase things in a upbeat feel-good way. But for beginner PUA's like myself, it's important to get at the heart of what's really going on, and that means using language that cuts to the chase. Part of this honesty comes from recognizing the costs, as well as the benefits, of certain attitudes that come with correct game. "a bit of unabashed over-cockiness" -- this is…
/r/seduction09/08/11 07:32 PM
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You've succinctly summarized the whole spectrum. Game comes down to one word: entitlement. "Entitlement" is a better word than "confidence" -- because "entitlement" suggests a lack of needy behaviors, a bit of unabashed over-cockiness, a lack of humility, a presence of slight disrespect, a willingness to impose upon others, an independent sense of self-regard, and a streak of daring playfulness.
/r/seduction09/08/11 06:06 PM
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Here's why, it's because seduction and attraction is about being honest to yourself, not about trying to mold and fit your appearance into something that everyone else approves of. You're so busy being worried about judgement that you come off as spineless, whereas seduction should be teaching people to be accepting, giving value, and being non-reactive (e.g., "You are more than entitled to your own opinion."). Some good shit right here.
/r/seduction09/08/11 05:39 PM
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Depends on what level of experience you have. A lot of guys on here are super-star players who have a lot of options. If this girl is talking to you, give it a shot, and gain experience. Keep gaming other girls until she starts being exclusive with you.
/r/seduction09/08/11 03:00 AM
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Good info here, always amazed by your FRs. What makes a woman cheat? Is it because of her personality? Is it because of her stated attitude toward monogamy? Is it because the PUA has good game? Is it because her man is an AFC and has shitty game? Is it because her man is neglectful? Is it because she's young? Is it because she's in a long distance relationship? Also, what percent of women cheat, and how often? Approximate percentages, conditional on the above factors, would be nice. Obviously, I…
/r/seduction09/08/11 12:29 AM
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Jay-Z - 99 problems Jay-Z - Stick 2 the script Jay-Z - Power of the P.u.s.s.y. Lil Flip - You'z a Trick
/r/seduction08/08/11 06:06 PM
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Focus on the positive experience of others Yes. Also, don't bribe people. Don't give people value, in the hopes that they'll give you something that you want. You will fuck up, because of the subtext: they will sense you're not REALLY a friend, because you'll show that you don't truly care about them, only what they have to offer you. I.e., don't be manipulative.
/r/seduction08/08/11 01:37 AM
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There might be truth in that statement, but it's not 100% true. Either way, it doesn't matter, because from the PU point of view, clubs/bars are just places where you can open a lot of sets frequently, so you can make shit happen, and learn.
/r/seduction08/08/11 01:24 AM
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I call it the "powers of the Jew" since he's Israeli. Funny thing. My friend is also half-Jewish. Great FR! We really run very similar styles of game, I think. That's a helluva compliment, considering I learned PPP from your FR's.
/r/seduction08/08/11 12:07 AM
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NYC, excellent training ground for the budding PUA.
/r/seduction07/08/11 08:10 PM
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I was wondering why I was in a shitty state lately. This explains it well. Good realization!
/r/seduction06/08/11 10:20 PM
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I text her back: "good job lol" and "Take your time, my beer is keeping me company" What I am doing here is setting a frame early on that I'm totally comfortable by myself in a bar. This is a quality of a confident, self-validated man. I make sure to keep a leading frame the whole night. And I am extremely polite to the waitstaff (tons of please and thank you's). It's very powerful to show your polite/nice side to her, without supplicating to her directly. This is where many guys drop the ball. …
/r/seduction06/08/11 06:02 PM
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As much as I agree with you about getting your career together, I don't think this is the right forum for that. IMHO, you should be pursuing your passions and you should be going to the forums for your passions.
/r/seduction04/08/11 05:12 AM
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Here are things I knew: that she wasn't into me, that my game wasn't great, that I was getting dragged around, and that I was being disloyal. I wanted an interesting experience and got one. I'm not gonna beat myself up over this experience, even though society says I should.
/r/seduction01/08/11 01:34 AM
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Awesome, thank you!
/r/seduction27/07/11 11:00 PM
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she'll be faithful as long as I'm providing what she needs Let me get this straight. She's faithful to you, and you get to bang other girls?
/r/seduction27/07/11 03:20 PM
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I'd say women use emotions to control, and men are controlled by their emotions. Obviously, a hyperbole, but that seems to describe things quite well.
/r/seduction27/07/11 01:49 AM
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At the risk of over generalizing, here's how women generally using moping: to get attention, as a shit-test, to manipulate. Men actually are sad when they mope. http://www.sandstorming.com/2006/02/men-are-more-romantic-than-women/ http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sticky-bonds/200906/are-men-romantic http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/sex/why-men-are-more-romantic-than-women-2439559/
/r/seduction26/07/11 11:21 PM
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Not sure. But I'd say, about half of the Asian girls willing to date a non-Asian guy will prefer to non-Asian over Asian.
/r/seduction26/07/11 01:47 AM
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Nothing worse than shitting your pants. FTFY.
/r/seduction26/07/11 12:47 AM
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Yes. Some Asian girls don't like Asian guys.
/r/seduction25/07/11 11:11 PM
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One year ago, I made this exact mistake, to this degree of beta-tude. Asked a girl to have lunch in a facebook message. (Senior year of college.) Had lunch. Seriously fell in love with her. Told my parents and all my friends about her. Met up a second time, a month later. Found out she got serious with a guy. Confessed my feelings in a long-winded facebook message. Seriously heartbroken. Waited a month. Had breakfast with her. Waited another month. Had lunch with her. I sensed increasing contemp…
/r/seduction25/07/11 10:40 PM
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OK, maybe pics shouldn't have been posted. You have a point there. But other than that, I don't see what's wrong: these guys are providing very valuable information about social dynamics, in exchange for a small ego boost and helpful feedback. The seduction community provides a place for guys to learn about something they have an interest in. It's no different than a chess club. And an FR is no different than talking about the last game of chess you played--it's partly informative, partly advice…
/r/seduction25/07/11 08:40 PM
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So this is how it's done. Good shit.
/r/seduction23/07/11 01:34 AM
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Average. I won't see a professional until I try the fleshlight.
/r/seduction22/07/11 05:20 PM
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She didn't make a big deal about it, and actually dumped them because of their needy, jealous personality. Think about that, millionaires being needy and jealous even though you'd think they can get any girl they wanted. Excellent cautionary advice.
/r/seduction22/07/11 04:14 PM
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Not sure yet. I'm gonna try a fleshlight for practice. If that doesn't work, time to see a doctor.
/r/seduction22/07/11 04:10 PM
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Yea she told her roommate, and her roommate had it happen to her before, so she told me not to feel bad lol
/r/seduction22/07/11 04:09 PM
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Your world is yours to own, go ahead and do it. Good way to put it.
/r/seduction22/07/11 04:08 PM
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Just remember, don't stop practicing just because you have a girlfriend. I still want you to be making new friends, conversations, and good times. Don't try to spend all your time with your girlfriend. Will do.
/r/seduction22/07/11 04:06 PM
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We tried getting her on top, didn't work. She's kinda self-conscious and a spoiled princess, so I didn't have her moving around too much. After awhile, she gets frustrated and just gives up. The time I lost my virginity, the girl and I literally tried for 3 hours. Failed. Then we woke up, and she tried again, finally got it in, on account of my morning wood, and she was on top, doing all the work.
/r/seduction22/07/11 04:05 PM
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Solid advice. Thank you. Most of my work will now revolve around becoming more "secure" and "confident". Even she said this.
/r/seduction22/07/11 03:53 PM
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Have you seen a doctor about it? No, but I have slightly lower blood pressure than average. Although it's within the normal healthy range. I think it's just bad habits from masturbating. I'm getting a fleshlight (stamina training unit), to work on this problem. She knows too lol. A lot of this girl and even this guy's behavior could've been a result of the persistent sex fails. Agree. why on earth would you tell that to a total stranger? Yea it was kinda weird, but I felt like trying it. Also, h…
/r/seduction22/07/11 03:48 PM
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What would you have done different? Thanks.
/r/seduction22/07/11 03:44 PM
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23, almost 24. lol
/r/seduction22/07/11 01:30 PM
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lmao
/r/seduction22/07/11 03:53 AM
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Winging with black guys is helpful, I've found. Our stereotypes cancel each other out--my stereotype cancels out their threateningness, and their stereotype cancels out my nerdiness. But ultimately it's about YOUR game and your wingmen's game, not the stereotypes. Stereotypes have an effect, but my point is that game can overcome them.
/r/seduction22/07/11 03:49 AM
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Depends on which group of friends. Sometimes an all-Asian group, but mostly, a mixed crew.
/r/seduction22/07/11 03:40 AM
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Yes, I'm starting to get into a relationship. Girl flipped out when I told her I got another girl's number. I hesitate about doing approaches now, and when I do, I don't go for a close.
/r/seduction21/07/11 03:34 PM
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Thanks. New FR coming soon. I'm 23, almost 24. Yea sure, ask away.
/r/seduction19/07/11 10:58 PM
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Asian male here, who goes after white girls a lot. Quit lying to yourselves (whether to be politically correct or to avoid cognitive dissonance, whatever the reason). This has been shown statistically on OkCupid message response studies, and also in my experience of gaming girls of different races. It is harder for an Asian guy to game white girls, and I try to game white girls because: They're more challenging I'm more attracted to their light skin and wavy hair, which has been sexualized more …
/r/seduction19/07/11 05:56 AM
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Cuz the experiences are fun. If it's a good experience, it's a success, regardless of what happens afterward. I asked her, then she asked me the same thing.
/r/seduction13/07/11 12:12 AM
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15% success in getting an email or number. Out of that, if I follow up, maybe 1/3 chance I get a date. But what matters is the experience, not what you get at the end. Example #1: I walk in front of her. Point out some dog some guy's walking. She tells me what type it is. I chat with her for a good 15 blocks. She tells me she's engaged. Example #2: I run up from behind her. "Are you half asian?" "Yes!" She was like, "Where did you come from?" I walk her to her bus stop. We hang out at the bus st…
/r/seduction12/07/11 06:26 PM
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"Hey, excuse me." They stop. "I think you're really cute. I have to know, are you single?" Sometimes, if I've walked too far, I turn around and chase them down.
/r/seduction12/07/11 03:21 PM
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Yes. By by "game" extra hard, you have to act like you're cooler, so that means appearing to try less hard.
/r/seduction12/07/11 02:13 PM
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I'm just a beginner PUA. I don't really have a systematic approach. I don't mind inviting girls to hang out with my friends.
/r/seduction12/07/11 12:33 AM
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He saw my most recent FR.
/r/seduction11/07/11 03:10 AM
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Well I actually am a noob. Until I'm banging hot girls, I'm a noob. Most of my game is just getting dates/make-outs.
/r/seduction10/07/11 06:36 PM
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That was to her voicemail, and I was kinda far away. So no clue.
/r/seduction09/07/11 05:33 PM
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It's interesting. The guys I'm with are all pretty socially intune, so they're aware of the problem, and they often encourage me. "Chalengr, YOU'RE leading tonight." "YOU decide." "You're the alpha male tonight." But subconsciously, they still amog me. I still think this has to do more with everybody's level of alphaness, and my alphaness lagging behind theirs, but they're graciously pushing me forward, so I'm kinda using them as my training wheels, since it's like sparring with tougher opponent…
/r/seduction09/07/11 05:23 PM
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I agree that when a few guys do it to you, you get rid of them. But when every other guy friend does it to you, that's more of my problem, than their problem. This is a social dynamic that I've been trying to figure out for awhile. I've told them ("Remember when you did this? Not that you were intentionally doing it, but we call it a DLV in pickup."). It's a systemic problem I'm trying to correct, with the way I relate to people. It really sucks -- cuz I end up getting amogged consistently, so I…
/r/seduction09/07/11 03:24 PM
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I think you shift your weight back on one foot, like you're about to leave. Google "PUA body rocking" Another similar tactic (although I don't think it's called body rocking) is to just walk away to say something to somebody else and come back a second later.
/r/seduction09/07/11 03:15 PM
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This guy amogs me a lot, treats me like a kid ("I know better, I'm doing this for your own good."). That's a social dynamic I still have to work out, since a LOT of my guy friends have this dynamic with me.
/r/seduction09/07/11 03:12 PM
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I learned physical push pull from your FRs. I have no intuition for why it works (although I understand it conceptually -- that it's very calibrated kino escalation cuz you're doing something that negs her while you escalate kino, and it's very playful), but I do it whenever I remember to do it, and it just works.
/r/seduction09/07/11 03:05 PM
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I agree about the girls part too: female neediness is more often sexual neediness, than emotional neediness. Sex, however, extends far beyond the physical act itself -- otherwise, women could just opt for a vibrator, or a good-looking subservient "nice guy". So by sexual neediness, I mean the need for male dominance. Male dominance is accomplished by a lack of emotional neediness (i.e., beta subservience, the opposite end of the dominance dynamic). So you're right, "flipping the script" is exact…
/r/seduction08/07/11 01:01 AM
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Word. The most common form of male neediness is emotional neediness, not sexual neediness.
/r/seduction08/07/11 12:37 AM
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frogma, you blow my mind on a regular basis. Hats off to you.
/r/seduction07/07/11 11:48 PM
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He's a guy milking his condition to become a self-help motivational speaker. There's not much else, materially, behind his career of public speaking, unfortunately. I don't think he's dated models. I saw one video of him and a chick, and he was so eager to rub his face into her, for the camera, that I don't think he gets women regularly.
/r/seduction07/07/11 05:34 PM
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Good find. Sure, but my point is that sex is vastly more than physical attraction. It's feeling, mood, interest, excitement, sensation, surprise, and intimacy. A lot of seduction is about "being sexual." This guy's idea of sex is pretty expansive.
/r/seduction06/07/11 01:49 AM
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You were attracted, and she was attracted. The attraction was accomplished. You're talking about inner game. "He's just not that into you" is a good book that encourages women to get over guys who are wishy-washy. However, IMHO, it is too harsh in its views about men, and potentially could turn unattractive women into unattractive and picky women. It won't help her get more dates, just help her get over guys more quickly. So that doesn't really solve the problem. But tread carefully. What makes …
/r/seduction05/07/11 10:46 PM
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I think in modern society, you're right. Because women demand monogamy, if a woman's game isn't tight, a guy can't emotionally afford to keep her around, because that's the only woman he gets. In prehistoric times, when our attraction switches developed, the story was a lot different: the alpha male didn't really have to stay loyal to one woman, he only needed to stay loyal to his harem. So the only requirements for keeping a woman and that woman's children around would be looks (i.e., fertility…
/r/seduction05/07/11 12:30 PM
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Go ahead and make me look silly. I'm open to another point of view, and I'm curious.
/r/seduction05/07/11 12:25 AM
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I'm a Chinese guy. In the back of everyone's minds is racism, stereotypes, and the fear that others hold these stereotypical views of ourselves. I'm pointing out the negatives and racist stereotypes that we might consciously reject but which subconsciously we fear to be true. This possibility of racism in the minds of others is what holds many of us back from making approaches and from interracial dating -- unfortunately this colors a person's own self-esteem as it relates to his particular race…
/r/seduction03/07/11 05:35 AM
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Yea I was trying to spike attraction by pushing her away. I guess this was the wrong way to do it.
/r/seduction02/07/11 06:25 PM
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No, drunk maybe.
/r/seduction02/07/11 03:20 PM
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I opened HB7, I invited her to the bar, but ALPHA started chatting her up the second we got there. HB7 was pretty into me, as a dating prospect, I think. But ALPHA had her attracted tonight. lol About the Indian part, see my response to timtamboy63.
/r/seduction02/07/11 03:16 PM
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Nice, this was the point of my FR, to not let these stereotypes hold us back. Statistically speaking, Asian guys, Indian guys, and Black guys get rejected (as in, no response to a message) on OKCupid more than White guys--how much rejection depends on the race of the girl they're messaging. However, in real life, game trumps all.
/r/seduction02/07/11 03:08 PM
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I was actually doing excellent in the re-opened set, on this HB8. Making her laugh her ass off, we were singing together, she was qualifying herself. I had to leave cuz my buddy CUCUMBER showed strong interest in her, the other girls were all preoccupied with FRAT GUY, ALPHA, and AMOG. Also they sat at a table and I was the guy coming up late and joining the group by kneeling by the table. Even after I left the set, HB8 kept walking by me and waving at me. So there was attraction, I just couldn'…
/r/seduction02/07/11 03:05 PM
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Excellent. She giggled uncontrollably and started joking along with me. I had no idea why it would work like that. Imagine if I had said something like: "I don't know, hang out." That would've wasted an opportunity to spike her attraction.
/r/seduction02/07/11 03:01 PM
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Just used your response. LMAO. http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ievk2/fr_all_of_us_completely_outgamed_by_55_indian_guy/
/r/seduction02/07/11 08:20 AM
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She was pretty tall. Maybe 5'10", the other girls around 5'6''. So tonight I was out with an Indian guy that was about 5'5". He outgamed ALL of us. He was super confident. It was his going away thing. He was keeping 5 girls laughing their asses off. The girl I brought with me, who was taller than him, was ALL OVER him. I actually left her with him just now (3am here), and they're still talking. So height really doesn't matter. If game has taught me anything, it's that all logical, physical, emot…
/r/seduction02/07/11 07:20 AM
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Hey they did a scientific study on this. Not Mystery. Scientists. The list of qualities that women find attractive: about a dozen "main" qualities (economic resourcefulness, intelligence, humor, confidence, emotional maturity, pre-selection, etc.). The list is pretty long. For men there were only 2 main qualities for attraction: #1: her looks #2: her loyalty Boom. That's all there is for you in terms of game. So "hit the gym" is right. And then show exclusive affection to a guy you find attracti…
/r/seduction02/07/11 12:24 AM
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Helps, but height isn't anything that game can't beat.
/r/seduction02/07/11 12:06 AM
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Solid analysis. Chinese guy here. Definitely got some of that inferiority complex going on. It's still unclear to me why I am able to occasionally attract hot white girls, but each time I do, it's disproving that notion in my head, and removing another limiting belief -- and I feel less inferior, and more swaggerlicious. Game is the truth; but it's counter-intuitive to me, at least in the beginning. Popular stereotypes are not true; yet they seem so intuitive and believable.
/r/seduction01/07/11 09:14 PM
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I called left a message "Hey it's Chalengr, talk to you later." She didn't call back or text back. So I let it go.
/r/seduction01/07/11 08:56 PM
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I'm 6'1''
/r/seduction01/07/11 08:55 PM
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I used to be that guy. You've gotta get up really close to his face, start talking to him, look into his eyes, keep talking but slower and softer, look at his lips, and basically plant your lips on his. You'll win big points in his book if you do this. Actually, any guy's book, if he already likes you. EDIT: oh, and you can't go half way. Three years ago, I literally had a girl invite herself to my room at 2am, she started lifting her dress up, and I still did not make a move, she ended up havin…
/r/seduction01/07/11 08:19 PM
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IMHO, you should've asked him if he was Tyler Durden, instead of asking seddit.
/r/seduction01/07/11 08:12 PM
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You're absolutely right. I had this mental bad habit of thinking that being beta is "being myself", because maybe that's the way I've been around women for most of my life. But a habit of being beta is just a habit; it has nothing to do with who I am. So, "being genuine" is a tricky term. It's easy to confuse it with "being shitty" or "being lazy". The other confusion I had was trying to "be vulnerable" and "show interest" as a form of comfort-building that makes my interest in her more believab…
/r/seduction28/06/11 04:52 PM
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That'd be a great tweak to my game, thanks. The natural's a good looking guy. If I'm a 6 or 7, he's an 8. But it comes down to his game and personality more than his looks. His equally good-looking friend sucked.
/r/seduction27/06/11 11:25 PM
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lol I love the commentary. Yes, this guy was pretty cool, and super value giving with me. He just made me realize there's a whole new way of gaming. Of course, he is super congruent with it, so I gotta adapt it to my own personality/style if I'm gonna do the same shit.
/r/seduction27/06/11 11:22 PM
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First, manage your expectations. Don't expect material changes in your life (i.e., going from not dating at all to dating hot girls) to make you happier. As science shows, winning the lottery or losing your legs in a car accident doesn't change your level of happiness in the long run. I think happiness can only come from mastering your life overall as best as you can. Second, manage your time. The game is seductive. It can be addictive, like video games. It consumes time, your most precious reso…
/r/seduction27/06/11 07:41 PM
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I have a similar problem, though not as bad as your case. You can still get girls if you look 16, if your game is good enough, you just need more game than other guys to overcome that initial resistance. Women operate on emotions, not logic--her logic is gonna say "He looks too young" but if you can blast through that logic with good game, she'll be defenseless against her emotional and sexual attraction to you.
/r/seduction27/06/11 01:28 AM
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Continue hanging out and learning from them. But if you want to start closing more, you need to also hang out without them, and see how far you get. Getting eclipsed or amogged by other guys is pretty common for me. Game IS competitive; you have to be the best "apparent" option for the girl to be down to hang with you.
/r/seduction26/06/11 11:15 PM
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That said though, I'd still like to know what is possible, given the race/superficial limitations, so I can work on reducing my own limiting beliefs about race/appearance. So that's why I want to know precisely what level of success you personally achieve. I want to know what is realistically possible, so I can manage my own expectations about how far I can go with game. How hot are the girls you get with? How far do you get with them? How often do you succeed? Thanks.
/r/seduction22/06/11 03:06 PM
1

You're absolutely right. I should worry about my specific situation and how to make the best of it, instead of setting an external goal relative to other people that is arbitrary to where I actually am.
/r/seduction22/06/11 12:38 PM
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And success-wise, how do you feel you stack up against non-Asian PUAs with a similar level of skill as you? Assuming I have the same skill level as another PUA, should I expect less success because I'm Asian? And how much less success?
/r/seduction22/06/11 04:28 AM
1

My bad. How are you like, infield?
/r/seduction22/06/11 04:24 AM
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Hey I was inspired by one of your lecture videos. However I've been hunting for infield footage of you, to see how you are infield. I only found one reference to you in one of Mehow's Infield Insider series but couldn't find a bootleg copy of it (my bad, I just don't like paying for things online). Anyways if you could link to footage, or just describe what you typically experience when you're infield, I'd appreciate it. It'll give me an idea of what is potentially possible for Asian PUAs. The o…
/r/seduction22/06/11 04:00 AM
1

Added the TLDR. Well I think it's easier to game HB10 asian girls, cuz I give less of a fuck, and I've had more success with them. They're still hot to me, just not on a pedestal for me. So what you're saying is: I should not put the HB10 white chick archetype on a pedestal. Good shit. But I feel like there's more of a high or rush, when you're gaming a girl, and you believe the girl to be high value. I don't want to be desensitized to the enjoyment of it, but obviously that kinda of assumption …
/r/seduction20/06/11 02:14 AM
10

It's forgiving myself for fucking up.
/r/seduction18/06/11 01:34 AM
1

Go and enjoy yourself. Be centered in yourself and work on staying happy with yourself during your interactions with her. And think sexy thoughts.
/r/seduction16/06/11 12:19 PM
2

Roughly speaking, I think you gotta recognize the difference between tension (attraction) and release (comfort). You need both. Build attraction by pushing her away, then create comfort by pulling her back in and kissing her. In a relationship you want this dynamic as well.
/r/seduction16/06/11 11:33 AM
1

Philosophically, makes sense actually.
/r/seduction13/06/11 11:38 AM
2

Im picturing a cross between Shrek and donkey. Very close...
/r/seduction13/06/11 11:38 AM
1

Hahahaha
/r/seduction13/06/11 11:37 AM
2

First date - 2 years ago, after I picked up "Rules of the Game: How to get a date in 30 days" First kiss - 1.5 years ago First lay - 1 year ago Been going out in NYC for a year. Yea definitely was a peak experience in NYC. My first kiss close in a bar/club in the city, so it's a pretty big step for me.
/r/seduction13/06/11 11:35 AM
2

I think mostly cuz of my lack of sexual inexperience, or I wasn't into her, or I need penis pills or something. Not sure.
/r/seduction13/06/11 12:04 AM
9

Good advice. I mistakenly thought showing unqualified interest was equivalent to "sincerity", so I tried to compensate for my promiscuity with beta-ness. Retarded of me.
/r/seduction12/06/11 11:50 PM
1

I think in clubs and bars, social circle situations, once you hook the set, you can do stuff like Mystery method, etc. In day game, especially on the train, you're better off being direct, being easy on the kino, and being bold on confidence and humor. Show some confidence, banter a bit, find out where she's getting off, get the number before she has to get off; usually on the train you don't have time to play games and play hard to get, cuz if you do, she'll be off the train in 5 minutes and yo…
/r/seduction12/06/11 04:37 PM
1

My advice is this: Try not to be creepy but also don't be afraid of being creepy, just go for it. And anything is better than nothing. No matter how badly I've bombed an approach, I've never regretted one. I'd go up, and just say, "Hey I think you're cute. Are you single?" Sometimes I get a number and a date that way.
/r/seduction10/06/11 03:33 AM
1

Hell yea, good to know man. :) I've always been the nerd, and people called me creepy (still do sometimes) when I tried learning to talk to girls, saying how I would have no shot with X, Y, or Z girl. Disregard all social pressures, norms, and do your thing. It will fucking happen.
/r/seduction09/06/11 12:03 AM
2

I probably would've said "Oh have a good night" had she said "No I'm not single." But she was laughing at my jokes on our walk, so I assume it wasn't all bad. She also was wearing a very low-cut blouse, so she was aware of why I was rather helpless against staring.
/r/seduction07/06/11 05:45 PM
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I apologize.
/r/seduction07/06/11 04:59 AM
2

Thanks, I appreciate the encouragement!
/r/seduction07/06/11 03:34 AM
1

Thanks, read your other comments. Good stuff. Before this, I've only been in this type of situation 3 times in my life. LMR is late stage game, so I'm still working on getting to this point more often.
/r/seduction07/06/11 02:47 AM
1

Yea he used to be pretty alpha in China, as a leader of men, good with women, etc. But he's become pretty beta in the USA, working as a mailman.
/r/seduction07/06/11 12:54 AM
3

LMAO. I was stuck in bed with a girl who didn't want sex 30 minutes ago. Shoulda just done a freeze out to look at this exact post. FML.
/r/seduction06/06/11 04:01 AM
0

Date #2: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/hs331/fr_im_chinese_gaming_white_girl_my_father_shows/
/r/seduction05/06/11 12:48 PM
1

Word. This got me in trouble at a formal with a chick. She ended the date.
/r/seduction31/05/11 05:23 AM
1

Good attitude, I like the non-denial and not being fazed by it either.
/r/seduction31/05/11 03:26 AM
3

Lessons My vegas trip gave me some personal realizations. I got these problems to work on: Calibration. I'm not calibrated socially in fratty social interactions. I don't fully have a rock-solid social circle of close friends who are all super entitled and who also believe I should be entitled. But I think this is a crucial part of solid game in the long run. I also tend to come off beta in these laid back group situations. Sometimes if I don't watch my state, I overreact. Other times, I withdra…
/r/seduction30/05/11 10:43 AM
1

For guys like me, without a whole lot of game, I think looks matter a great deal in getting girls to open up to you at a club. Your image is just NOT some girls' type sometimes, so don't get too concerned about the rejections that result from it. Just open. And even if you have solid game, you still might not get every girl if you're ugly, short, a certain ethnicity, too fat, too skinny, too buff, too old, too young, etc.: for example, I suspect that some younger girls might not like Ozzie cuz h…
/r/seduction30/05/11 09:35 AM
1

Cafe del Mar. Not mushy. But sets a seductive mood.
/r/seduction24/05/11 12:47 PM
1

Probably harmless to feel more horny because of her high social status. But according to Tyler Durden, you should never feel anxious as a result of her high status; i.e., her high status should just make you horny, not socially self-conscious. At the end of the day, she's just a chick for you to bang. Doesn't matter if she's the princess of some country, that should only make you hornier, not more anxious.
/r/seduction20/05/11 04:30 AM
6

Seduction is merely a set of skills. More specifically, it includes skills like how to dress, how to approach a stranger, how to manage group social dynamics, how to manage your emotions, how to respond to other people's emotions, how to flirt, how to touch a woman, how to kiss, how to plan logistics for dates, and how to have sex. Yes, improving a skill takes effort. But just because something takes effort doesn't mean it's a lie about who you are. It's actually quite dangerous to justify lazin…
/r/seduction18/05/11 03:39 PM
2

Some other ones off the top of my head: tonality, eye contact, talking about sex
/r/seduction17/05/11 11:19 PM
1

I think the #1 "know too much" case is when studying game starts adversely affecting your normal life. For example, if you're dropping out of school to study game, you're being retarded. A healthy lifestyle is the bedrock from which all other things (including game) spring. Game can be addictive; don't let it take up too much time and take away from the rest of your life. Always try to improve your life as a whole, never just for the women, or the money, or anything else for that matter.
/r/seduction17/05/11 10:38 PM
1

Well, one way would be kino.
/r/seduction17/05/11 10:29 PM
1

I don't invest too much in guys like him, but I keep him as a friend because I think everybody is capable of contributing value. I think it's arrogant to exclude people because there's something to be learned from everyone and excluding someone only excludes yourself from what they have to offer.
/r/seduction17/05/11 10:18 PM
2

You seem pretty good at this, and I like your upbeat attitude. PM me if you want to hang out in the city.
/r/seduction17/05/11 05:27 PM
1

See my reply to spunaround.
/r/seduction16/05/11 04:30 PM
3

By sexual projection, I mean putting yourself in a sexual state of mind, and pulling her into the same state of mind. David Wygant talks about imagining her masturbating about you. Tyler Durden talks about being horny about her hotness instead of being excited or anxious about her high status.
/r/seduction16/05/11 04:30 PM
2

Yea I agree. The question to ask is: Are you trying to be social, or be sexual? PUA has taught me to be a more socialized guy, but it's my sexual game that really needs work if I want to get laid more. Calibration is the reason for my natural friend's success. He's had so much sex he is totally tuned in and knows exactly what a girl wants physically, and how to gradually build up to sex. He's banged all kinds of girls, and is surprisingly good at getting hot shy reserved girls to have sex with h…
/r/seduction16/05/11 11:55 AM
2

Not gonna lie, I'm already excited.
/r/seduction16/05/11 04:00 AM
3

So far all my progress has been made outside of the city. In NYC, nothing except dates/cuddling. My goal now is to get a make-out or get the cheek in the city.
/r/seduction15/05/11 11:47 PM
6

I've done this. Start splashing water on some girls. Doesn't matter if you're alone. I did this to an artsy girl and her friends. I got her to sketch my portrait and put her number on the back. We went on a date the next weekend.
/r/seduction11/05/11 07:47 PM
1

I think going to these links directly might bypass the time limit, give it a shot: http://dc194.2shared.com/download/tTEY_VP_/graffiti81.wav?tsid=20110511-000708-b34891dd http://dc208.2shared.com/download/u6X8VuSl/jerseykid.wav?tsid=20110510-235656-e422592d http://dc194.2shared.com/download/waPcRYTQ/chalengr.wav?tsid=20110510-231534-7ba0e47f EDIT: Actually if those links do not work, just view source on afungi's links above, search for the ".wav" link, and try it. Should work, that's how I got a…
/r/seduction11/05/11 04:17 AM
6

Lol. You are just making up excuses not to talk to girls. I talk to girls when I'm commuting to and from work, when I'm walking on the street, when I'm on the train. I've chased down girls walking in the opposite direction on the street. I've gotten numbers and dates from these girls. I do NOT care if there are 10 reasons why I shouldn't talk to her. My job is to talk to her if I find her cute, period. I've never regretted an approach.
/r/seduction10/05/11 06:10 PM
1

I think you DO have some valid criticisms. These criticisms might prevent people from going down the wrong path. However, you're really just espousing a different school of thought than, say, structured methods such as Mystery. But "becoming natural" is still a school of thought, like any other, and has its reasoning for why it works. Maybe your school of thought leads to more coherent and consistent subcommunications, but you gotta explain why and defend it. (And do not assume that your theory …
/r/seduction05/05/11 05:16 PM
79

Ultimately, pickup is a science. We create theories to explain observed human behaviors. Then we test these theories infield, to see whether they are good models of the truth. Yes, science can be abused. Just as chemistry can teach us how to make bombs, pickup can teach us how to hurt others. I don't deny that pickup can lead to terrible results, some of which you listed, and I agree that many walk down this road into a dark place. But that is no fault of the science, it is the fault of the guy …
/r/seduction05/05/11 02:55 PM
3

Hey guys I put my (rather long) answers in a blog post. See here: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/h2y24/my_pua_journey_23_yo_asian_guys_blogpost_about/
/r/seduction03/05/11 06:06 AM
1

That beta personality is not "yourself", but what years of bad social conditioning did to your otherwise alpha personality. Don't call bad habits your personality.
/r/seduction27/04/11 02:08 AM
3

It belongs in seddit. Just cuz it's not a SNL doesn't mean it's not seduction.
/r/seduction21/04/11 02:18 AM
4

shit test passed. ;)
/r/seduction15/04/11 02:23 PM
2

Got me my first date ever.
/r/seduction15/04/11 06:50 AM
1

I think the idea of "being a troll" really fucked up the inner frame of the guys here. I think the results seem really different from the penis pickup, the guys seem less calibrated, and the girls seemed to pick up on this being a total joke.
/r/seduction14/04/11 04:17 AM
5

I actually offered a group of random girls at a movie theater a ride home. I was with my friends. So they hopped on. It isn't about what's actually going on or being talked about, it's about social subtext.
/r/seduction09/04/11 04:34 PM
3

lol ah this is why. It's the psychological theory that behaviors drive attitudes. You determine your beliefs after observing your own actions. Whereas before you did this, you might have believed otherwise, after you did this, you believe what you did was what you believed in.
/r/seduction08/04/11 04:04 AM
2

Or seddit. Might be more helpful to the situation.
/r/seduction03/04/11 05:35 AM
4

The philosophy of pickup appeals to me. The same principles that makes a man sexually attractive often also make him a leader of men, and a free-er man.
/r/seduction01/04/11 03:03 PM
3

Speaking as an asian guy in his 20s, yes, you should contact him. EDIT: Most Asian men are pretty reserved about approaching in a forward way, unless they're PUAs. Just my observation. So assume he's attracted to you.
/r/seduction01/04/11 04:58 AM
2

Great response. Thanks a lot. Fortunately I'm fairly frugal so quitting my job won't be a big deal, I don't have a lot of expenses to finance, since I only spend about $10K a year, outside of rent/utilities. I plan to start something on the side, and then quit. EDIT: in particular, I think going in with the understanding that you'll "be in the red" both financially and socially is very valuable advice.
/r/seduction31/03/11 12:18 PM
0

Your advice is right on. I'm 23, make 390K a year. Since about 20 months ago, I have done 2753 approaches. Although happy and passionate, I'm unsatisfied with both game and with my career. I'm not happy because I don't love what I do for work, and my return on time invested for PUA stuff is pretty low. Investing this much time to get dates with women seems a waste of time. The only real benefit is improvement in my tactical skill, but I'm a slow learner, so it hasn't gotten me very far. There ar…
/r/seduction31/03/11 02:45 AM
1

This fine girl on the street in NYC. It was 12 midnight. She was carrying groceries, wearing headphones, and walking fast. It was 25 F degrees, drizzling, and she was clearly cold. I opened with, "Are you cold?" She hooked off of that. Talked for a block, got her number. EDIT: This reminds me of my first ever number close from a stranger -- it was when I first started doing cold approaches. A really hot blonde was reading a book with headphones on, on the subway train in SF. I tapped her knee to…
/r/seduction25/03/11 03:54 AM
1

What tool did you use to record? Quality is pretty good.
/r/seduction21/03/11 06:02 PM
10

People want to feel special and unique. Women have this insecurity that you're into them purely for their looks -- well to be honest, initially you are. You want to move beyond that initial attraction into a genuine connection. The connection has to be: a) highly enjoyable for them b) genuinely believable. Part A: "a highly enjoyable connection". People have 2 fundamental drives: sex and validation. Pick up allows you to satisfy both of these urges in your target. This book talks a lot about sat…
/r/seduction20/03/11 11:17 PM
3

Push their buttons that make them feel validated, be respectful, genuine statements of interest.
/r/seduction20/03/11 08:47 PM
6

lol See my other post on this thread.
/r/seduction19/03/11 11:42 PM
3

You can do anything you want. It's the same thing as normal day game. You can talk to a girl while the train is empty or packed full of people, it doesn't matter. You can open direct -- Hey I think you're cute -- or indirect -- Hey how do I get to X, Y, or Z? But that's NOT the problem. The problem is to be engaging and creative. Like in ANY day game situation, hit her attraction switches, and she'll be entering her number into your phone in no time. I've done this a lot on the train -- SF BART,…
/r/seduction19/03/11 07:51 PM
3

In the past 7 months, I've dated 3 girls I met on the subway train, and gotten a bunch of numbers. My roommate calls me the subway PUA.
/r/seduction19/03/11 07:48 PM
1

Dude I do cold approaches every single day in NYC. And I work 14 hours a day. So I do it literally game at night when I'm walking home on the street, on the subway, on the way to work in the morning when everybody's in a rush.
/r/seduction18/03/11 04:27 AM
2

In the second link, it said after 7 days testosterone peaks and then it drops off after that. Does that mean, in order to hit these peaks, it's better to masturbate every 7 days, rather than never masturbate?
/r/seduction07/03/11 12:20 AM
3

To make this debate more complicated, there is also direct game, which is the opposite of indirect game (which you cite as examples of dishonesty). So you could in theory run direct game and stay honest.
/r/seduction24/02/11 05:37 AM
6

Lol my list of accomplishments probably came off annoying. I don't normally like to brag, but in this case, I had to make a point. Most of my friends knew me as a funny guy. I was a complete ham (nerd rapper), and that's how I made friends. But my charm wasn't appealing to women as a potential mate, just as a cool/"fun" guy. I had to learn to be sexually attractive. EDIT: A picture is worth 1000 words. Here's me being interesting, but unattractive: http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/…
/r/seduction16/02/11 01:14 PM
3

LOL running game already.
/r/seduction16/02/11 04:34 AM
4

I'm not trolling. Read my other posts. And if you want to sarge in NYC, shoot me a PM. My friends thought I was an enigma. I was a cool kid, but as soon as I made a move, girls thought it was creepy. Part of this resulted from me purposefully avoiding girls until my junior year of college (so I could "get my other shit together"). So I had no sense of what women wanted. In short, I dressed poorly, put women on a pedestal, did not lead my interactions with them, and was extremely intimidated by w…
/r/seduction16/02/11 03:26 AM
8

I completely disagree. Two years ago, I was at an ivy league college, had started my own business, had good relationships with my friends/family, was "youth of the year" for my city, programmed robots, played basketball, was class president in high school, and was getting paid over 100K a year in my one-year internship after my sophomore year of college. Physically, I was over 6 feet tall, fit, and a decent-looking guy. But I had no clue how to talk to girls, even though I had plenty of great gu…
/r/seduction16/02/11 02:07 AM
1

I'm down next weekend. Manhattan*
/r/seduction30/01/11 11:31 PM
3

Much appreciation for doing this, Tofutofu. How about a NYC Seddit? With such a huge population in NYC, there's surely quite a few quality PUAs here.
/r/seduction24/01/11 04:04 AM
1

Sent you a PM
/r/seduction22/12/10 03:54 AM
1

Hey let's sarge. PM me if you're interested. I'll be back in NYC in a few weeks. I have very low AA, and do a lot of approaches.
/r/seduction20/12/10 02:34 AM
2

Video from #2: That guy had balls. Not a great delivery, but he had balls. Props.
/r/seduction12/12/10 07:59 PM
6

You need to start doing more approaches. Try to open at least one stranger per day, as you go about your business -- could be anybody, doesn't have to be a female. Don't worry about f-closes. If you want to do well, you gotta enjoy it every step of the way to the f-close--and that means enjoying getting rejected as well, to some extent (I know that sounds counter-intuitive, but discovering your mistakes after reflecting on interactions is very fun). So there you go, the game isn't about getting …
/r/seduction05/12/10 11:59 PM
1

yea he's a kinda insecure douche. see his thing against matt damon.
/r/seduction25/10/10 12:10 PM
2

I have the opposite problem. I almost NEVER tease, I rarely put people down, even if jokingly -- unless it's a light and playful "haha you suck" or something. I neg by withdrawing attention and creating scarcity. I reward IOIs with SOI. Try Juggler Method if you're negging too much; that method doesn't require teasing and it still works. And it's not very "gamey". Attraction is about push-pull, but a lot more about pulling than about pushing. I think Juggler had this great example where he was l…
/r/seduction21/08/10 10:36 PM
2

Movie at your place isn't a bad idea. Put on some music afterward. Dance to it. I lost my virginity with that one.
/r/seduction01/06/10 08:11 AM
2

Woah so you approach guys? That's hot. I wish more girls did that. So this is interesting. I've always thought that if a girl was hot, that's enough to get almost any guy -- or at least hookup. Is this true? What sort of strategies do you have? What kind of results do you get?
/r/seduction23/12/09 08:53 AM
4

I'm a romantic. Of course, the girls that I used to like tended to not reciprocate, so that's why I got into game, and now I intend to use game to get a long term girlfriend.
/r/seduction13/11/09 05:04 PM
1

Lol, I probably shouldn't be giving advice then. I have the same problem. Last night I had girl sitting on the bed with me, I couldn't bring myself to even touch her. We just ended up talking for an hour.
/r/seduction19/10/09 10:46 PM
1

Unless your game is amazing or you get lucky, even a successful close on a stranger results in a flake. Why would she let you kino or close? My best DHV technique is to listen and connect. Make sure there is a connection first before you make a move; otherwise, she's gonna be uncomfortable giving out her number and meeting up with you.
/r/seduction16/10/09 09:43 PM
2

I'm a nerd. Been trying to improve my game for 5 months. I've had some moderate success. What I learned: 1) Go for it. Don't let other people tell you stuff is taboo, go for it, even if your approach is lame, because good stuff often comes out of the bad approach. If you don't try, you get nothing. A lot of my best experiences came from a bad approach or opener. 2) It doesn't matter what you wear, although it helps. I've done some of my best pickups in glasses and a grubby sweatshirt, with messy…
/r/seduction03/10/09 02:55 PM
1

Easy. Go out and have fun as best you can. =D
/r/seduction11/08/09 05:56 AM
1

I'm in SF. Send me a PM.
/r/seduction07/08/09 04:55 PM
2

OK I think my biggest sticking point is not having an actually outgoing enough personality. It really helps to be an extrovert and to be able to build a really strong social life, even outside of pickup. It makes it so much easier if you have a lot going for you. And to do that, you have to be outgoing.
/r/seduction06/08/09 07:46 AM
1

I've always been uncomfortable touching people, but I'm working on it. The most kino I ever do is dancing. I've never kissed a girl, so I'm working on that too.
/r/seduction03/08/09 04:34 AM
3

Two weeks ago I got my first number from a stranger after engaging her in conversation, my first PUA success in the symbolic sense. However, because she shut me down over the phone, I am not sure when to pull the trigger now -- I feel like asking for her number without a good enough reason is bad game. In the last couple weeks, I opened someone on a street, six girls on public transportation, and a 4-set [3 girls + 1 guy] at a bar last night. My style is very casual. I keep flirting to a minimum…
/r/seduction01/08/09 09:45 AM
2

I also recommend the books, read Mystery Method first, then David DeAngelo's Double Your Dating. You can get them online. I found it helpful to watch The Pickup Artist, the show, since a lot of times, it's hard to know exactly what Mystery means without a demo. I started about 6 months ago, bought my first pair of jeans, read books, got contacts, went out more, and started actively trying to improve myself in this area. Eventually, it's like anything else -- you get tired and don't want to put i…
/r/seduction28/06/09 04:46 AM
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