Possible to "know too much" about game?

intjpua · 2011-05-17T19:58:37+00:00

I think it's possible to waste your time studying game, if it is used in place of actually practicing with real women. You won't get good with girls by reading about girls, any more than you'd get good at basketball, or playing guitar, or whatever, by reading about it. It simply doesn't work that way.

I also think it's possible for nerds like most of us sedditors to get analysis paralysis, where we spend so much time thinking about what we should say or do that the moment when we should have said or done it is long past, and the girl is bored. Being present in the moment and enjoying yourself is much better game than pulling out the exact right routine (per whatever complicated method you like) thirty seconds too late.

So, as everyone here always says, get out there and practice. Spending more time on seddit will not improve your game, but talking to girls will.

frogma · 2011-05-17T19:37:49+00:00

do you think it's possible that someone could learn an extensive amount of information online, but not be able to access and apply it in a real life situation, due to the contextual changes?

It's the difference between theory and practice. For pick-up, it's about growing some balls and just doing it. I don't think it's possible to have too much knowledge on the subject, so long as it doesn't lead to second-guessing in an actual situation. When I'm with a girl, I don't analyze anything ahead of time- I just try to pick up on the vibe and make it a good one. It's good to have the theory internalized and always available in the back of your mind, but if it's constantly on your mind you're gonna hesitate, and fumble your words- and it's a lack of confidence, which will often be pretty noticeable.

There's only a few guys I know who can sit there constantly studying material and then consistently apply it in the field without breaking up the "flow." Those guys are Mystery, Style, and some other mPUAs who use Mystery Method stuff. They have fuckin great memories- if you have good memorization skills, you can probably pull off something similar to what they do. But just make sure to do away with the scripted shit once you've got a solid understanding of how it works.

For most guys, it'd be much better to internalize inner game shit. If you can really internalize what it means to be confident and alpha, you'll naturally end up doing attractive shit. You don't even need to learn specific techniques, since you'll already be doing similar shit.

tres4 · 2011-05-17T22:57:48+00:00

Yes. Knowing a fuckload about pickup simply means that the guy doesn't have the balls to just go out and be rejected, so he stays in front of his computer (his comfort zone) and pretends to be addressing the problem instead of actually addressing it.

razqel · 2011-05-17T19:47:01+00:00

Trying to recall information or remembering something is a different skill and matter than applying the information. The theory you learn should help guide your behaviors, but they are often a simplistic representation of the world. Real-world situations are always more complex. What you gain through in field interactions is the experience to make sense of the theories and the calibration to adjust the theories according to each situation.

Yes, you could learn an extensive amount of information online, but not be able to apply it in real life situations. But the reason has more to do with a lack of experience and calibration than about changes in the learning environment. For example, learning pick up theory in a bar would likely not help you much more than studying at home.

Theoretical knowledge may hamper your game if you're so inside your own head that it interrupts the natural flow of the interaction. That's why you'll hear many MPUAs advise people practice a small subset of skills at a time until it becomes second nature. Trying to implement everything you learned at once is too much of a cognitive load for a newbie to execute and learn from.

Overall, you can learn as much theory as you want, but be sure you apply everything you learn. It's possible to learn too much that it becomes overwhelming, at which point, you should stop or slow down and focus on internalizing what you already know through practice. Otherwise, things just become too confusing. Theory is the road map to understand and move in the right direction. Practice is the feedback that tells you if you're going the right way.

2011-05-17T20:31:20+00:00

I don't think anyone can ever learn too much about any subject. It's when they get caught up in theory crafting and philosophy of the given subject that the application of knowledge gets lax.

stayhigh · 2011-05-17T20:37:24+00:00

it's not that know too much, it's that you do too little.

Naga14 · 2011-05-17T21:47:47+00:00

Know too much? I doubt it. Practice too little? More likely :)

puaCurveBall · 2011-05-17T20:14:35+00:00

not be able to access and apply it in a real life situation, due to the contextual changes?

Yes, but not because of contextual changes.

even that having an extensive amount of theoretical PUA knowledge might hamper the development of one's own natural game.

No, i disagree with this.

You cannot as efficiently learn and adapt from in-field without the required background knowledge. Reading is definitely not a substitute for in-field, but it will speed it up dramatically.

For instance, someone who has read a lot can learn 20 things everytime he goes out, while it might take someone 20 times in field to learn one thing because he doesn't know what he is looking for and is basically doing trial and error.

I think anyone who claims knowing more hurts them is just someone looking for excuses and giving themselves reasons to fail, or reasons to not learn as much as they should out of lazyness.

chalengr · 2011-05-17T22:38:44+00:00

I think the #1 "know too much" case is when studying game starts adversely affecting your normal life. For example, if you're dropping out of school to study game, you're being retarded. A healthy lifestyle is the bedrock from which all other things (including game) spring. Game can be addictive; don't let it take up too much time and take away from the rest of your life. Always try to improve your life as a whole, never just for the women, or the money, or anything else for that matter.

chumpta · 2011-05-17T23:17:04+00:00

semantically i'd say its the difference between knowledge and information. knowledge is useful and contextualized by experience, and you cannot have to much of it. information is words, ideas, abstracts that have a loose connection with experience but it is not firm. this you can have "too much of."

but even then, it's not so bad to have too much of it. the only issue is whether or not you're at least TRYING to contextualize it.

2011-05-18T01:15:23+00:00

Practice makes perfect. In my head I know the theory and all the little details: Open, Transition, Attract, Qualify, Comfort, Seduce. In reality though, I don't have time to think, because either I'm thinking or listening, and the game is a listening game, not a thinking game. The moment I think, I lose track of what the person is saying. So you have to practice, and review theory, practice, and review theory. That's the only way to progress, which also builds intuition. Intuition is when your subconscious is thinking for you, during a conversation, an idea comes up instantaneously and you know what to do next. Kind of like when a professional hockey player is in the zone, and all the movements happen naturally, he doesn't have to think.

rblacksun · 2011-05-18T01:25:14+00:00

There are some skils like getting women..that are better learned by your unconscious mind rather than your conscious mind.

Dresden718 · 2011-05-18T01:40:53+00:00

I think you miss the point of reading about this information. Its so that the information is assimilated into your subconscious. Reading it over and over will not do that for you. It needs to become part of you, only happens through repetitive (correct) use.

TL;DR: "know too much", No. Spent too much time just reading, Yes.

dzy1 · 2011-05-19T15:56:54+00:00

Of course its possible you just read all day long and don't apply. My rule is follow one overarching philosophy/guru of pickup. Anything else you learn to bounce it against that style and use or don't use based upon that. Calibration

2011-05-17T19:35:38+00:00

Perhaps there's a difference between "knowing too much" and "thinking too much."

Someone who "knows," has true information. Someone who "thinks," has curiosity, doubt, uncertainty, etc.

PUA theory is just a set of ideas that have proven successful when applied by some people. That doesn't mean the theory is useful, true, or productive....it's just a theory.

Title	Possible to "know too much" about game?
Author	unclebenjamin
Upvotes	10
Comments	22
Date	May 17, 2011 7:01 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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