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| 3 | How to talk with womenRead up on conversation threading (not the email feature, the concept from pickup). Or, for a civilian approach look into "active listening". The best conversation is a two-way street. Listen to what she's saying, and tell funny or interesting stories (briefly, don't be a blowhard) that fit the topic. For exercises, there are tons of active listening exercises for all sorts of scenarios all over the web. Practice definitely helps. Living an interesting life helps, too. The more interesting stuff… | /r/seduction | 22/03/17 05:10 AM |
| 1 | Rules different for those of us in our late 30's early 40's?I read a bunch of stuff, probably too much. Most of the pickup stuff that was around when I was starting to figure this out was just an extension of the self-help industry (i.e. people making money off of people who are desparate). It still is, really, including some of the folks peddling their wares on seddit. So, I guess the motivation provided by the materials was positive in that it made me start actively trying to talk to and pick up girls that I thought were too hot or too young for me. Tr… | /r/seduction | 03/06/14 05:57 PM |
| 2 | 'It's bad to be in your head' but how do you remember what Seddit has taught you?Pick one element to work on each time you go out, and don't worry about the other stuff. This is useful for any new skill. When learning a complex new piece of music, for instance, one might learn the rhythm first, then the melody, and then add counterpoint or harmonic content. | /r/seduction | 02/06/14 11:19 PM |
| 3 | Rules different for those of us in our late 30's early 40's?I've been away from /r/seduction for a while, and mostly lurking now. But, I'm roughly in your same age range, so thought I'd chime in. I'm currently dating a 22 year old and have a long distance relationship with a 25 year old. And, I am going out with a new 23ish year old sometime this week. I have good feelings about the latter, as she came back to flirt with me at the end of the night after an event, so she effectively picked me up. There are a couple of other girls sort of in the wings for … | /r/seduction | 02/06/14 09:40 PM |
| 16 | Building attraction with "text game." The unexplored frontier.Most guys, when getting started, make the mistake of texting too much. Way too much. Like novel-length, carefully thought out, texts that exhibit a need for validation and an attitude of scarcity. The simple rule of thumb for that is, "Text a whole lot less. Mostly just for setting up dates, keeping a lead warm when you can't get the in-person meet." etc. Guys starting out also tend to want to use facebook and text because it is easy. It requires no balls to talk to a girl via text or facebook. … | /r/seduction | 04/03/13 10:42 PM |
| 3 | A tough challenge: overcoming poly bias in females by upping my game.I bring it up very early, but I do it in a way that almost guarantees the girl is relieved to hear I'm poly. Here's my general process...get flirty with the girl, escalate a little bit with some casual friendly touching, teasing, etc. Then drop the girlfriend bomb in a casual way; "So this girl I'm dating blah blah blah." Girl will possibly quiz you a bit on the girlfriend, in a subtle way. This quizzing is an IOI, and gives you the chance to talk about how it's been interesting opening up your … | /r/seduction | 18/02/13 09:35 AM |
| 1 | [FR] Gym approach, #-close to bedroomThat's highly variable. In legalized and regulated prostitution markets, and in areas and populations that aren't being tested regularly, that may be true. In black markets, such as most of the US and Canada, the STD/STI incidence is much higher. One US study found that 80% of prostitutes had HSV 1 or 2. Hep C is found at much higher rates than the general population; though it is very rare for Hep C to transmit in a heterosexual relationship, if your partner has open sores (from herpes, or othe… | /r/seduction | 23/01/13 05:22 PM |
| 2 | What are some of the most unbelievable closes you've ever pulled off?Approaching 40. | /r/seduction | 23/01/13 05:04 PM |
| 1 | What are some of the most unbelievable closes you've ever pulled off?Slept with a girl who was (mostly) a lesbian, who hadn't been with a man since high school, ten years earlier. Dunno how, really. I was just my usual charming/funny self, and pursued her really aggressively. Slept with a girl who'd been celibate for over three years because she'd had an awful experience. She was sworn off of men. I persisted for about a week, with her always proclaiming our dates as "not a date". I merely agreed..."Yep, definitely not a date." One night, after a not-date, I aske… | /r/seduction | 22/01/13 07:48 AM |
| 2 | [FR] Gym approach, #-close to bedroomhave bareback sex with transexual prostitutes for example I literally just gasped. I'm really glad you're getting tested regularly, both for your sake and for your partners sake. Bareback with any prostitute is just begging for an STD/STI. (I hate condoms as much as anyone, but I can wait until everybody has gotten tested before I lose them.) Best of luck my promiscuous brother. | /r/seduction | 22/01/13 07:34 AM |
| 1 | [FR] Gym approach, #-close to bedroomYou'd be surprised. I have never gotten a bad response. It often results in relief: "Thank you for bringing that up. I'm always the person who has to bring it up, and it's refreshing to not have to." The worst that's ever happened was a girl decided she wanted to get tested before we had sex, since she wasn't certain of her status, and wanted to be safe. And, honestly, that's not that bad of an outcome...I can wait a few days, if it means I know I'm having sex that is thoroughly free of STD risk… | /r/seduction | 22/01/13 05:48 AM |
| 1 | [FR] Gym approach, #-close to bedroomYes, I have been vaccinated for Hep A and B. But only recently. I recommend it, despite the discomfort and cost. It's two less things a relatively promiscuous person needs to worry about. But, having it show negative is reassurance for your partners, I guess...though I would think telling them you've had the vaccine would also be sufficient. I mostly use STDTestExpress, but there are many out there, roughly the same prices and roughly the same service. They send you to one of a couple of lab com… | /r/seduction | 22/01/13 05:43 AM |
| 14 | [FR] Gym approach, #-close to bedroomYes. Before anybody gets naked, or even before anyone is really thinking seriously of getting naked, usually a couple hours into the first date (after some making out has happened, and maybe we're back at my place), I'll usually just say, "Hey, not to imply that anything is going to happen tonight between us, but I like to get this out of the way really early in a relationship. I tested negative for everything, including HSV 1 and 2, three weeks ago, and I haven't had unprotected sex since then,… | /r/seduction | 21/01/13 04:57 PM |
| 19 | [FR] Gym approach, #-close to bedroomThings shouldn't become awkward if you're being honest all along. I'm friends with damned near everyone I've slept with in the past. Some make great wings today. Some are fuck buddies when they're not in relationships (because they know I'm gonna be a great time and that I'm getting tested regularly and having the STD talk with every partner). Having casual sex doesn't mean you have to mislead anyone or hurt people's feelings. | /r/seduction | 21/01/13 04:35 PM |
| 3 | Is there anything specific I should do when I'm certain she's seeing other dudes?Stop putting any energy into the interaction. An important aspect of this is that you still be flirty with the bartenders and waiters and every other person around. This is the most important part of this plan. Otherwise it will go horribly astray, and she'll think of you as sullen and ornery. The important thing is that she needs to see that you have options...lots of them. Any girl in the room is your option. Right now, she's feeling like she can have her cake and eat it, too, and not be hones… | /r/seduction | 25/09/12 06:18 PM |
| 2 | I'm going to a "write on your shirt" party tonight. What can I write on it to get some attention?You don't even know what you don't know. This is the worst suggestion in this thread; even worse than the really stupid ones (because this one is clever, but it won't get you laid). There have been many great suggestions, including the most upvoted ones. Go with one of those. | /r/seduction | 19/09/12 09:54 PM |
| 18 | I'm going to a "write on your shirt" party tonight. What can I write on it to get some attention?I did this recently in a somewhat different context (a more serious situation where someone was supposed to be writing a message on the shirt for a political event), saying, "That is a huge cock. Wow. Realistic, too." When girl being drawn on, said, "No! Tell me you're kidding!" I replied, "Yeah, I'm just kidding. It's not really that big. It's, you know, like, a life-sized cock, I guess you'd say." This worked doubly well because it was another cute girl doing the writing, so it led to a fun co… | /r/seduction | 19/09/12 09:05 PM |
| 1 | Girls with boyfriendsAlso true, though it depends a lot on context. In a bar, girls will often say "I have a boyfriend" even if they don't. In a group of friends, it's less likely to happen. So, it's often a shit test when gaming girls you just met, but in social circle game it rarely is. But, it doesn't make any real difference in how you should game the girl, if you're interested in her, so it's not really useful data. | /r/seduction | 06/09/12 07:46 PM |
| 1 | Girls with boyfriendsHer boyfriend is her problem, unless she says to you, "No, I have a boyfriend." when you ask her for her number, or for an instadate or whatever. I back off when the girl makes it clear she's happy in her relationship, but it's not my responsibility to decide whether she is happy with her boyfriend, and whether that relationship is worth continuing when she has other, possibly better, options that might lead to a happier, healthier relationship. You don't know anything about that relationship. H… | /r/seduction | 06/09/12 11:30 AM |
| 1 | My problem with SedditEvery step of the journey is improved by guidance. You are at the beginning of the journey. Your questions and the answers you need are different from those who are further along. Neither type of question and answer is wrong; they may just not be right for you at this time. It can be productive to read about what more advanced seductions look like, so you begin to internalize right behaviors before you see them in real life. Humans can model activities, or watch others performing the action, and… | /r/seduction | 05/09/12 04:28 PM |
| 2 | How does a girl have an awesome one night stand?OP was not hostile, and is no more clueless than most of the responses she's gotten. Anyone who comes here sincerely wanting to learn and to improve their ability to attract the opposite sex should receive a respectful response. This notion that women have nothing to teach, or nothing to learn, in this community is one of the broken elements of some of the seduction community. While it is true that women rarely have the knowledge to help guys pickup girls, most men also lack that knowledge...and… | /r/seduction | 05/09/12 03:54 PM |
| 9 | How does a girl have an awesome one night stand?Is there a Shit Seddit Says subreddit? 22 points. Sigh. | /r/seduction | 05/09/12 10:09 AM |
| 66 | How does a girl have an awesome one night stand?Dear gods...I'm sorry, OP. seddit is embarrassing itself tonight, and doesn't even know it. A lot of seduction tactics work just as well for women as they do for men; and, a lot of the same advice applies to women as it does for men. If you want more men in your life, whether for casual sex, or for additional relationships, you're going to have to talk to more dudes. Some things that might be standing in your way: When you go out, are you with your boyfriend? Or do you go out with girlfriends as… | /r/seduction | 05/09/12 09:35 AM |
| 1 | 27 year old virgin, finally broke through. here is my storyI like that throughout this conversation, you and a couple of other women have made discoveries about why men do this, and realized that you girls do this to guys, too. I think that shows that you're awesome, or at least on the way to becoming awesome. It's unfortunate that this has to seem like a zero sum game for anyone playing it. And, in the beginning, guys may be playing it like a zero sum game, and leaving some girls feeling confused and hurt. It doesn't have to be that way, and with pract… | /r/seduction | 05/09/12 06:25 AM |
| 1 | I haven't had my own group of "boys" (friend circle of guys that I'm close to, not kids) since early high school...any advice?Yeah, I think it depends a lot on the group of guys in question. The caliber of folks found here at seddit is much higher than those that spring out of other PUA forums, for example. reddit is just a better educated group of folks than most forums out there. Though we still have our fair share of misogynists and one-dimensional folks. It's just a guideline. I'm sure some folks have a good experience with their local lair. (I still hate the name "lair".) | /r/seduction | 04/09/12 09:09 PM |
| 2 | Missed Chance.Practice fixes everything. Even knowing that your tactic wouldn't have worked, it would have been better than not doing anything. So, do the best you can, win or lose, you will learn by trying. So, talk to girls. It doesn't have to be ambitious or perfect. Just talk to them. You'll get better. | /r/seduction | 04/09/12 08:26 PM |
| 2 | Give me the best pep talk you canYeah, I browsed a little, and saw that there were lots of newbies giving it the old college try...but, being misguided or simply not quite there yet in their understanding of how this stuff works. It's OK, though. We've all given bad advice, too...we learned with time and practice, and this new batch will do the same. Support is often more important than getting exactly the right answer. But, I'll also post a few right answers now and then to keep the art and science of our community moving forw… | /r/seduction | 04/09/12 05:51 AM |
| 1 | Give me the best pep talk you canI don't do it for the fame. I do it for the love of humankind. ;-) Good to see you, too. I'm happy to see most of the old gang is still around; though a few of my faves have seemingly moved on. But, maybe they're taking a break like I was for a while. | /r/seduction | 04/09/12 05:07 AM |
| 1 | BallsWikiPedia is an obvious first stop. It covers the basics, provides sources, covers what kinds of disorders it has been proven to provide benefits for, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy I suspect one option would be to pick the disorder you're interested in, like "depression", and google that: "depression cbt" CBT is usually a guided process in the beginning, and there are people who are trained in CBT who are not necessarily psychologists, and may charge less. There… | /r/seduction | 04/09/12 04:05 AM |
| 1 | Give me the best pep talk you canAh, OK. It may not be depression, but you have this one very deep emotional block. I know about that one. My parents were shocked when I brought a girl home for the first time. Start small, but start right away. Make yourself do some of the "getting started" exercises that I'm sure you've read about in your 4 years of reading without doing. Also, set yourself a rule that you can't read anymore about this stuff until you've accomplished one of your goals. The easiest starting out exercise is to t… | /r/seduction | 04/09/12 02:34 AM |
| 1 | Give me the best pep talk you canDepression aint gonna fix itself. You should talk to a therapist, preferably one who can prescribe drugs. You may need anti-depressants. You may also find something like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy can help you overcome some of your more destructive habits and the identity problems you have. You believe you are powerless to change your own life; that is a curable condition. Go see a professional who can give you coping tools at first, and then tools for growth (whether those tools are anti-depr… | /r/seduction | 04/09/12 12:11 AM |
| 1 | Give me the best pep talk you canYes, of course. Everybody knows about everybody else. I have a strict honesty policy with my partners about who else I'm sleeping with, and I expect the same from them. I've been living a non-monogamous lifestyle since before I discovered seduction...about 6 years. I was introduced to it by a girl I dated after breaking up with that longterm relationship I mentioned. I don't usually do serious relationships, since I've been travelling so much, but this one was worth the extra commitment (and it … | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 11:25 PM |
| 18 | Locking in a FWBOoh, I know this one! Here's what you do: Take her out with some friends (her friends, your friends, doesn't matter), preferably females that like you. Flirt like a motherfucking champ with every girl, especially one of the friends. Don't escalate to any kind of making out or anything, just spike the sexual tension a bunch in the room. Sexual tension is contagious among girls. Every once in a while, do something that spikes your targets sexual tension...like giving her a playful shove, tickling … | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 10:33 PM |
| 1 | How to sleep with a girl who wants to sleep with you, but is just incredibly shy/reserved/flaky?Cool. But, doesn't change anything about the problems with your text game. You shouldn't be going sexual via text, if you haven't been sexual in real life, because it's weak. If you're seeing her all the time, and yet you save the sexy times for when you're not able to act on it, it shows you're a chicken, which girls don't find sexy. Also, it changes how you go about getting the date. This is a prime candidate for an instadate. Next time you see her, chat her up a bit, getting her laughing, and… | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 10:16 PM |
| 3 | Give me the best pep talk you canI was 21 when I lost my virginity, and that was dumb luck. I only had sex with two other girls by the time I was 24. It took my nearly ten more years to get this shit sorted out; I had a long term girlfriend for most of that time, but I was still in that scarcity mindset that led to me sticking with a relationship that wasn't healthy or happy because I feared I couldn't do better (she was hot, at least, even if she was not good for me or very nice to me most of the time). I'm in my mid-late 30s … | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 09:00 PM |
| 6 | You CANNOT "seduce" via TEXT!!!Yep, it's definitely an age difference. I'm older, but pursue girls across the age range from about 21 to 35 (I'm older than that upper bound, but not by much). I've noticed a distinct difference the older the girl is, to the point where a 32 year old FWB almost exclusively calls (though she recently started texting a little bit now that she has an Android phone), while a 20 year old that I've never hooked up with, but probably will when she turns 21, has never talked to me on the phone, but she… | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 08:14 PM |
| 8 | You CANNOT "seduce" via TEXT!!!The field tests of lots of sedditors seemed to come down on the side of correct use of text messaging being superior to calling, in terms of real world results. If that hasn't been the case for you, that's cool. But, I know my own results, and I know what this community discussed way back when. Do what works for you, but be careful about deciding you know something is true until you've tested it. It sounds like you've never actually tested good text game vs. good phone game to know which works b… | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 07:53 PM |
| 25 | You CANNOT "seduce" via TEXT!!!We had this discussion a year or two back, and the consensus was mostly that with younger girls (under 25), text may be the only reliable way to reach her. But, you should treat it as only a method of setting up dates, not escalating or trying to seduce via text...as you note, you cannot build attraction via text. I've very rarely had a problem getting the day 2 via text, but I'm making a real impression during the initial meeting. So, I believe your premise is valid, but the solution to the pro… | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 06:39 PM |
| 3 | Missed Chance.Welcome to creeperville, population: you. Hugging is too far along the touching scale with someone you just met without some indication it's OK, and some prior physical contact with good results. You're also investing way too much in this girl, with this talk: "One of the burning things I wanted to do was ask her if she wanted to be my accountability partner, in that you set goals on what you want to achieve for the week and then have a talk about it after that week." No, no, no, no. You just me… | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 06:23 PM |
| 4 | How to sleep with a girl who wants to sleep with you, but is just incredibly shy/reserved/flaky?Stop doing this shit over text! Don't get kinky over text, until after you've gotten kinky in real life a few times. You're setting yourself up for failure when you escalate over text. You playfully tease over text, but never go sexual until after real life sex. Sexting sets up the situation where she knows you are going to expect sex, and she doesn't yet actually know you well enough to want to have sex with you. It is the worst possible situation to be in; she can't go out with you until she k… | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 05:36 PM |
| 2 | BallsIt's also mostly bogus. | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 05:23 PM |
| 21 | BallsNLP is bogus. There are elements of it that work and are backed by science, like CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy), but NLP, on the whole, is a new agey concoction made up of random bits of pop psychology and self help tropes. So, skip to the science-based elements, like CBT, and don't waste time on the other bits. CBT has good science, and may even work better than drugs for some conditions and situations. In short, CBT predates NLP and has science to back it up. NLP tacked on a bunch of super… | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 05:22 PM |
| 3 | I haven't had my own group of "boys" (friend circle of guys that I'm close to, not kids) since early high school...any advice?Join something. A team sport is great, social bike rides are great for getting dude friends, join a local activist community (like for the environment, for instance; I like occupy groups, though only a few are still really active, the one year anniversary of all of them is coming up, so there will be renewed interest), go to meetups that meet at a bar or coffee shop or other social place, join a band (rock, street brass band, whatever). What do you love? Find a way to do it in a social context, … | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 05:09 PM |
| 2 | What cultural problems and issues do you see in the PUA community?The sellouts. It seems like anyone who has any success or becomes well-known becomes a "guru" and starts spamming and being a shithead in the very same community that nurtured their growth, trying to eke out some kind of pathetic living by separating desperate men from their money. We don't need gurus, we need a community. This is true of the forums and stuff, too. Every forum I've ever seen, other than seddit (knock on wood, fingers crossed, etc.) has devolved into a shitstorm of commercial bul… | /r/seduction | 03/09/12 10:08 AM |
| 1 | I haven't visited /r/seduction in months, but this comment about creepers from /r/AskWomen has to be seen by sedditors. Hopefully, no one here is making these kinds of mistakes, but it's worth seeing a woman's perspective.You're probably right (and I've been around long enough to know better). But, I just couldn't resist. This is really good stuff, about mistakes that a lot of Nice Guys make over and over again. | /r/seduction | 02/09/12 03:18 AM |
| 2 | My dad shared a pretty cool icebreaker with me, is it a good one?Don't be a creepy weirdo, and you won't have this problem. Easier said than done for some guys, this is true...but, you have to get out of your comfort zone if you want to get better at this stuff. This is a pretty good excuse to touch a girl, for guys that need it, and a decent bar game. Bar games are good, and touching is good. So, have fun with it, bet her a beer, or whatever, and get others involved in the fun. It's not bad, at all, and if a guy is acting creepy, there's not much we can do a… | /r/seduction | 16/02/12 08:09 PM |
| 2 | I need help learning to touch people.That's too much pull and not enough push. Give her a chance to pursue you. Hug, and then push her away. Hand on her knee or thigh, and then give her a light slap or shove when she says something sassy or goofy. Being nothing but hands on is needy. It is good to be assertive, and even aggressive. But, it's not good to be predictable or needy. | /r/seduction | 22/01/12 08:45 PM |
| 28 | What to say when she asks why you don't have a girlfriend?"Girls are gross." | /r/seduction | 22/01/12 08:23 PM |
| 2 | A HB which I used to game, but never closed just broke up. How long until I start gaming her?I came here to say, "Why weren't you gaming her (and everyone else) every damn time you saw her up to now?" The question exhibits a wrong mental state. Game is not something you do when you want a specific chick, it's something you are every day of your life with every person you meet. | /r/seduction | 15/08/11 04:18 AM |
| 7 | Kino anxietyHave you read this? I ask because if you've read it, and actually started doing it, you should be much less afraid of touching someone than you are. So, I assume you haven't started integrating touch into your everyday life...which means you're still really tense and nervous about it. I found myself in a situation with a girl recently where I hadn't had as much chance to escalate physical as I wanted...so, when we were sitting next to each other, I ramped it up fast. I started by looking at her … | /r/seduction | 30/07/11 01:46 PM |
| 1 | The Apocalypse Owner, based on "Shock and Awe". Anybody tried this yet? :-)Aggressiveness works better than not being aggressive. I've never used this particular opener, but I am pretty aggressive. Girls I like get an invite back to my place within an hour or two of meeting, and they very often accept the invitation. It doesn't always lead to sex, but I'm confident the lay rate is much higher when I'm aggressive than when I'm not. | /r/seduction | 30/07/11 05:24 AM |
| 1 | Adultfriendfinder / Craigslist's casual relationship section - Anyone used these?AFF is obviously a scam (and there have been a few expose sort of posts over the years online from folks who've worked at AFF that explained that fact). There are like five women on AFF, and approximately 1.32 billion men. Those are not good odds. Why would you pay for that kinda bullshit? And why would decent women want to fuck the kind of losers who are desperate enough to fall for it? I've heard of folks having success on CL casual. I've only met fat girls from CL, back before I got game and … | /r/seduction | 28/07/11 03:42 AM |
| 4 | Using OKC as a supplemental pickup area, should I approach those messages like texting and delay responses?This. You have little to no attraction with a girl you met online. You need to make the physical meeting happen, ASAP, so that attraction can happen. | /r/seduction | 28/07/11 03:29 AM |
| 1 | If you date a girl and you feel like there's this dude trying to steal her from yeh...what do?Yeah, I think it's important to realize that "non-reactive" in the pickup and seduction context does not mean "passive" or "doing nothing". It means, you aren't reacting to what she does, but rather doing and saying what you want. Reactivity gives her the frame...she sets the terms of the relationship when you react to what she says and does, and that's unattractive to most women. Most women want a strong, confident, man that is not fazed by her various whims. In short, when I use the term "non-… | /r/seduction | 27/07/11 05:35 PM |
| 3 | If you date a girl and you feel like there's this dude trying to steal her from yeh...what do?Yeah, she actually kinda gets off on it. Honestly, I've lost most of my desire for other women...she's just so fantastic, it feels like a waste to sleep with someone less smart, hot, etc. But, I'm still dating other girls; and she still has orbiters. We have an agreement that we'll tell the other if we're having sex with anyone else (primarily from an STD risk perspective), and she's explicitly given me permission to bang other girls (carefully and always with protection), while she's said she's… | /r/seduction | 27/07/11 05:18 PM |
| 6 | If you date a girl and you feel like there's this dude trying to steal her from yeh...what do?It's in everything you do. A doormat reaction would be accepting that you're going to lose out to any other guy that comes along, and thus getting demanding and giving angry ultimatums; non-reactive reaction would be assuming those other guys don't even have a chance. There's a sort of confidence that comes, with practice and awareness, that allows you to respond in the right way. Doormat stays home when she goes out with a bunch of her guy friends. Someone that can keep a girl like that goes ou… | /r/seduction | 27/07/11 02:45 PM |
| 74 | If you date a girl and you feel like there's this dude trying to steal her from yeh...what do?Welcome to the world of dating attractive women. There is always some dude trying to get into her pants. This is not an odd situation. Becoming defensive about it, showing weakness and concern that she might stray, is the best way to insure that she will stray. This is, honestly, the price of dating hot girls. If you can't be non-reactive, you're never going to be able to keep one. You and I know that the "she isn't his type" bit is a gambit, intended to increase attraction. He wants to fuck her… | /r/seduction | 27/07/11 02:20 AM |
| 12 | PSA: Men, please watch your kino.The common advice for guys just starting out is to err on the side of recklessness. i.e., do more of everything (touch, risque comments, challenging her, etc.) than you think you can get away with. This is because they've historically done so much less than is necessary to get girls, that even if they think they're way overshooting the mark, they probably aren't even actually reaching it. It may not work when they first start trying to do this stuff, because a lot of things have to fall into pla… | /r/seduction | 22/07/11 02:25 PM |
| 1 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTYeah, it's a small company. I don't have a lot of people to manage (and the people I choose to hire are very self-directed, so they do the right thing 99% of the time, without asking or being told; if they turn out not to have that ability, they aren't right for my company), or a lot of stuff that requires direct interaction with people. Since it's software, it's possible to automate nearly every aspect of the process. A lot of technology is available to enable a wholly virtual office. Google vo… | /r/seduction | 17/07/11 04:54 PM |
| 1 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTI'm sorry I don't have easy answers for you. It depends on who you are and what you are already competent to do. I am a software developer. But, many jobs can be done on a contract basis remotely. I happen to own my own company, which sells commercial software products. It took me a few years to build it up to making enough money to support this lifestyle. But, I could be doing the contract work I did (IT systems management for a very specific niche) before this company, as well...I usually did … | /r/seduction | 16/07/11 01:19 AM |
| 1 | Common shit tests and how to defuse themHarvard, you? The girls I would date seriously may have gone to Havard (or Yale, Princeton, Brown, CMU, MIT, etc.; it's just really common in many of my social circles). So, I don't use an Ivy or prestigious school as an absurdified response (because it'd be too easy for them to take me seriously). So, I tell the truth: "Oh, I'm a community college drop out. My parents are very proud." And trust that two or three minutes of conversation will tell them all they need to know about my intelligence … | /r/seduction | 15/07/11 02:23 PM |
| 1 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTThe job itself is not that interesting. There are many remoteable jobs, and the kind of nerds that make up most of reddit probably are mostly in jobs that could be remoted. Software, web design, writing, blogging, some IT jobs, etc. all are remote-able. You just have to decide you're going to do so, and start designing your life around that goal. That's what I did a few years ago, and once it was all fitted into place, I moved. And kept moving, whenever I wanted to. | /r/seduction | 15/07/11 05:45 AM |
| 1 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTHow? My job is entirely remote-able. So, I chose to entirely remote it. I haven't been back to the "home" state in over a year. You should read The Four Hour Work Week. It's not where I learned how to do it, but when I listened to the audio book version of it 6 months or so into my own lifestyle overhaul, I realized it pretty much covered all the same stuff I'd figured out on my own. So, if you read it, you'll probably know most of what I know. It certainly tells you how to do it (mostly, though… | /r/seduction | 15/07/11 03:27 AM |
| 2 | The Magic Pill to getting better at Pickup FASTI roll solo more than half the year...I move to a new city every month or two, where I know no one. The wonderful thing about excuses is that they're always available. You can find an excuse to do nothing in every situation. But, excuses make poor company. | /r/seduction | 14/07/11 04:12 PM |
| 1 | Fun Sexual Escalation Role PlayI'm not arguing for or against direct or indirect game. I'm arguing against being creepy and making excuses for having desires. I have desires because I'm a man, and I don't need any excuse for that. | /r/seduction | 10/07/11 05:40 PM |
| 9 | Fun Sexual Escalation Role PlayI don't think you understand me. I'm suggesting not over-complicating things. OPs suggestion is an over-analysed kinda chickenshit way to escalate, and I'm saying don't do elaborate routines for escalating. So, how do you come up with the notion of me being the one over-analyzing things? | /r/seduction | 09/07/11 06:54 PM |
| 11 | Fun Sexual Escalation Role PlayDid I say how awesome it was that her male coworker stuck up for her? No. I said that if I were there, I would have picked up her ID and I would have licked it and rubbed it all over my body. (I pretended to lick her ID she had sitting on the table.) She laughed hard and said that it would have been better if I had rubbed it on my face instead of my body. I said she was good at this stuff--maybe too good. Now, see, that's awesome game. There's nothing at all wrong with that one...it takes what t… | /r/seduction | 09/07/11 06:51 PM |
| 32 | Fun Sexual Escalation Role PlayI don't like making excuses for why I'm escalating. I know it's easier to give reasons for the things you're doing...justifying it in your mind and hers. But, it's weaker than simply having desires and acting on them, which makes it less attractive. I'm also a little worried about putting this into a creeper context. You're asking her to imagine you in the role of a creepy guy at work who sexually harasses her. That's a very unattractive image to put into her head, and visualization is considere… | /r/seduction | 09/07/11 05:57 PM |
| 1 | Four words that can send your text game through the roof: "I declare picture war."Well, at least he's the lord. | /r/seduction | 09/07/11 04:10 AM |
| 14 | Four words that can send your text game through the roof: "I declare picture war."Two rules of picture war: Don't talk about picture war. Don't be a politician named "Weiner" (or "Cox" or "Balz" or "Dick"). | /r/seduction | 06/07/11 07:42 PM |
| 1 | Quick WTF moment from last nightI'm poly myself these days, by necessity. Married polys sort of confuse me, since I see very little reason for people to get married in modern society, except maybe for raising children, especially if they're open-minded enough to be poly. but it's all good. Whatever makes folks happy. | /r/seduction | 05/07/11 06:43 PM |
| 7 | Quick WTF moment from last nightI just started dating a girl who turned out is married. It's an open thing, and they don't live together...it seems to actually be mostly for economic purposes. They do sleep together now and then, though. It happens. I don't even really consider it a WTF kinda thing, as I've run across poly girls so often...I guess I attract the weird ones. | /r/seduction | 05/07/11 05:03 AM |
| 0 | Do tall guys have it easier?I'll just leave this here. | /r/seduction | 04/07/11 01:36 AM |
| 6 | Need 2 minutes of your time. I'm at a loss for a response to HB9's text.Time to move on. You can't fix this. You have no attraction and never did. You can't freeze out a girl that never even liked you. There are millions of girls. You need to go talk to some of the other ones. If you're getting one-itis over a chick you met on the fucking Internet and have exchanged maybe a dozen words with (and, honestly, it sounds like you are) and haven't even seen in person, your "attitude of abundance" is badly broken. You need to meet more women in real life, so you know what … | /r/seduction | 03/07/11 04:27 PM |
| 3 | Need 2 minutes of your time. I'm at a loss for a response to HB9's text.something like "Your phone isn't the only thing you just lost" might be your only chance. Reactive. | /r/seduction | 03/07/11 02:38 AM |
| 1 | [FR] All of us completely outgamed by 5'5" Indian guy.Whoring her out to your friends isn't the same as a push. Some girls in clubs kiss readily and like it's a handshake, but others consider it a much more intimate thing. You really have to know what kind of girl you're dealing with, when you starting doing this particular sort of thing. It would work OK with a girl who'd been kissing everyone she met all night. And the kind of girl that considers it intimate would have considered it extremely disrespectful and uncomfortable. | /r/seduction | 02/07/11 11:42 PM |
| 5 | When you are talking with someone, how do you deal with the other girls trying to isolate you?This is what we call a high quality problem. I had a touch of it last night with a girl's friends, who we "accidentally" ran into while on a first date (I'm in a small town, so I guess it's not impossible that it was actually an accident...but, it seemed a little suspicious to me). The friends all had a frame that we'd be joining them in their bar-hopping plans for the rest of the night; and I just said, "Nah, I think we're just gonna take a walk. We might catch up with you guys later." It wasn'… | /r/seduction | 02/07/11 10:33 PM |
| 1 | Tips for seducing a dude that just doesn't get it?He'll wonder who it's about. | /r/seduction | 02/07/11 07:09 AM |
| 4 | Tips for seducing a dude that just doesn't get it?You're being reactive. That's unattractive. One of the primary tenets of being more attractive is being non-reactive; not being drawn into a frame that controls you. You have chosen to view extremely good advice as criticism and condescension...that was your choice. The intent of Whisper was obviously to help. | /r/seduction | 02/07/11 07:08 AM |
| 2 | I found a use for OKCUPID in real lifeAs with most OKC questions, this one makes me want to deconstruct it: Worse for whom? Which people and which animals? Is the animal the last of a species? Is the human a mass-murderer or a volunteer at an AIDS hospital in Africa? I guess the value of some of the questions is they make you pause and think, "Well, what would make me choose an animal's life over that of a human? Is a human always more valuable?" | /r/seduction | 02/07/11 07:03 AM |
| 3 | I found a use for OKCUPID in real lifeThis is my only "very important" question, I think. I disqualify hard on utter stupidity. | /r/seduction | 02/07/11 06:58 AM |
| 2 | [FR] Tell her about your vibrator burnThis. If the story is actually congruent and feels true to the girls, this would absolutely be a great indication of preselection. That said, I wouldn't recommend everybody add this to their repertoire and start wearing a finger bandaid (though bandages are probably good, subtle, peacock items). The odds of it being believable from most guys in most circumstances seem very small to me. I'd probably make up something outlandish first, and then follow up with the real story, were I in OP's shoes. | /r/seduction | 26/06/11 05:41 PM |
| 5 | My favorite movie pick-up scene: Meet Joe Black - Coffee ShopDoctor. That was a classic cold read. | /r/seduction | 21/06/11 02:30 AM |
| 2 | My current sticking point.False time constraint. "I've only got a minute because I'm on my way to do blah blah." or "I've gotta get back to my friends, but let me ask you..." or "I'm on my way to the bar, but I want to say real quick that..." It means you are a scarce commodity, and will be leaving soon; it gives you a plausible reason to bail when you don't feel like talking anymore; and if you use that reason at the right time, your value will be high and she'll be more likely to give you the number so you can talk mor… | /r/seduction | 19/06/11 06:15 PM |
| 1 | [FR] 1 year after, Round 2Oh, poor child. You think the friend zone is something a girl does to you. You chose the friend zone last year. You made her put you in the friend zone. And, it sounds like you've already decided to step back into the ring and demand she friend zone you again. She contacted you, probably because she remembered that you were nice, maybe interesting, and that you had some fun together. She's hoping maybe you've grown up and grown some balls since then (or she's rebounding and wants someone to vali… | /r/seduction | 17/06/11 11:48 PM |
| 1 | [FR] 1 year after, Round 2It doesn't matter, at least in how OP should behave. She contacted him. She knows he's attracted to her. He should escalate just like he would with any other girl he's on a day 2 with. | /r/seduction | 17/06/11 11:45 PM |
| 2 | [FR] 1 year after, Round 2Everything was going great. She showed some IOIs. I then took her home wat Y U no escalate!? When tickling a girl, having her sit in your lap, etc., and she's totally into it, you go for the kiss. Not later, and not after asking permission. The goodnight kiss is for suckers who don't like getting laid. Anyways, after that we spoke about it, I said it was an impulse, and that I was sorry for it. I told her I was old enough for all of this nonsense of pulling and pushing, and that I had an impulse… | /r/seduction | 17/06/11 11:43 PM |
| 6 | just wanna say.... always have a non-latex condomI kinda like Durex Avanti Bare condoms now and then, anyway, so I always have some in the bedside drawer, and one in my bag or pocket when I'm out. But, yeah, agreed. Anticipate these kinds of issues. Keep a new bottle of lube in your bedside drawer, condoms of a variety of styles, latex and non-latex condoms, a new extra toothbrush in your bathroom, clean towels in case she wants to shower, enough clean clothes so you can give her a fresh T-shirt and boxers to sleep in, enough clean glasses to … | /r/seduction | 17/06/11 09:26 PM |
| 2 | [FR] OKC F-close"OMG! Why are all these pasty chubby dudes from all over the world checking out my profile all of the sudden?" This could turn out badly. | /r/seduction | 17/06/11 06:47 PM |
| 1 | [FR] Last day of school year; text can build attraction/comfort.On the aloofness front...I think it's worth letting her make moves now and then. In my case, I occasionally would say something like, "I'm going to behave myself tonight," at a point when the attraction and sexual tension was really high. She'd say, "Good." and then 30 seconds later, she'd say, "What would you do if you weren't behaving yourself?" Which is something you've already seen happening to some degree with your girl. But, you don't tell her what you'd do...you show her, immediately and … | /r/seduction | 17/06/11 04:28 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Last day of school year; text can build attraction/comfort.I've been there with the "it's not a date" kinda girl, and things turned out okay. (Actually they turned out great, and I'll be visiting her in a few weeks.) Don't be a pussy. Just because she says she's not dating doesn't mean you can't flirt. Flirt like a motherfucker. In fact, I'd say flirting more aggressively than ever is warranted here, since you have to flirt enough for the both of you. Keep it light and funny, but you don't do friend zones. Escalate, but respect boundaries. If the attrac… | /r/seduction | 16/06/11 10:54 PM |
| 1 | [FR] #-close a Hiredgun HB8"shacked her hand" is pretty funny, too. "shook" would be the correct word in that case (past tense of "shake"). But, really, everything was quite clear in meaning despite many minor spelling and grammatical errors, so you're English is fine. It was a good FR. | /r/seduction | 16/06/11 06:41 PM |
| 2 | Movie to watch with a girlExcellent choice. It's good, everybody loves it, most people have seen it but will watch it again, it's fun and fast-paced, and not much of a thinker. The two main characters are sexy as hell, and Leeloo has crazy sexy outfits without it being in any way sexists (chicks are turned on by pictures of scantily clad women, even if they are not gay or bi). | /r/seduction | 16/06/11 12:41 AM |
| 1 | Movie to watch with a girlIt's too good, and in French, so she'll be reading the subtitles the whole time. Horrible first or second date movie for those reasons. But, I love the movie and own it, and have seen it a couple dozen times. Often with girls. But never girls I haven't slept with yet. | /r/seduction | 16/06/11 12:38 AM |
| 2 | Movie to watch with a girlIt's chick porn. | /r/seduction | 16/06/11 12:37 AM |
| 6 | Palm reading for non-believersTo the people of seddit, failing to attempt is far more embarrassing than getting rejected. The shame of cowardice is far worse than the shame of not succeeding in the attempt. | /r/seduction | 15/06/11 10:59 PM |
| 6 | Need to be naughty?Well, I guess he should stop doing stuff that causes it, huh? ;) | /r/seduction | 15/06/11 09:47 PM |
| 2 | How to hit on famous girls and build rapport on famous males?Act normal. Don't treat famous people different than anyone else. It's refreshing for them and it raises your value. So, hover hand? Nope. Autographs? Right out. "OMG, I loved you in The Big Lebowski, that's my favorite movie ever, say that line, you know the one!" Not a chance. A sincere and thoughtful compliment might be a OK. Bring value. Be a social enabler. Introduce people to other people. Famous guys like meeting cute girls. Famous girls like meeting cool guys. So, bring some, if you can.… | /r/seduction | 15/06/11 06:47 PM |
| 20 | Need to be naughty?This. They're qualifying themselves to OP. That's expected. Give a girl a hoop, and she'll jump through it, if she likes you. OP is giving the girls a naughty hoop and they jump right through. He raises the hoop, and since they're already invested in this guy the fear of losing him to someone naughtier is now bigger, and so they jump through that one, too. But, also, girls are freaks. All you gotta do is let them know they can let their freak flag fly, and they'll usually unleash it for you. | /r/seduction | 15/06/11 06:38 PM |
| 1 | How to sexualize your datesI'll have to defer to your greater experience of China on that count, since I've never been there. But, I kinda doubt the differences are so big that social proof and jealousy isn't still crazy powerful mojo. I suspect you're maybe presenting the wrong frame, if it would be a problem. There was some discussion about this in another thread...where a guy was having trouble getting over LMR, but it was really that he was not playing the seducer role, but instead was trying to play the devotion and … | /r/seduction | 15/06/11 06:30 PM |
| 1 | How to sexualize your datesI'm confused. Why would you want to turn off social proof? Texts from other girls is money; having a booty call show up during the picture bit might be a problem for some girls, but probably not most. I'm not familiar with iPhone's notifications, but I use my Google Voice number on my Android phone for girls, and the notification for a text is just a ding and an icon in the notification bar...it doesn't show the actual message, so what's in the message is left as a mystery. Which, is nearly alwa… | /r/seduction | 15/06/11 03:22 PM |
| 2 | [FR] "Fuck it." - don't pussy out, go say hi to her.And then she is annoyed Probably not. But, maybe. Some girls are annoyed with any opening. And, I would point out that if a girl is doing that intense death march that some girls do when they don't want to be bother...well, maybe don't open them, if you really hate being shot down. But, once you have her attention, you open normally, though probably a lot more direct than you might otherwise; since, as you not, she expects some purpose in you stopping her. So, give her one, "Hey. I wanted to tel… | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 11:39 PM |
| 2 | [FR] "Fuck it." - don't pussy out, go say hi to her.If, after the tap on the shoulder, she doesn't immediately remove her earbuds, mime removing earbuds with your hands. Make eye contact, smile/smirk/grin, and wait. | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 05:20 PM |
| 11 | [FR] "Fuck it." - don't pussy out, go say hi to her.Agreed. I love that line and will be stealing it. It's surprising...disarming, one might say, which is super powerful during those early moments when she might not be sure and might default to the safe answer ("no" is the safe default answer for hot girls), so making her think for a couple of seconds is absolute money. | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 05:19 PM |
| 9 | How to sexualize your datesYeah, travelling a lot is my oddity. I'll live in one city for a couple of months, and then move. I literally have no "permanent" home. There are a few things I don't like to talk about...one of them is the "how can you afford to do that!?" line of questioning. I don't like to talk about money, because it can only cloud the issue. If a girl likes me because she sees dollars signs, I don't want her. Instead of the how I can afford to do it, I'll tend to steer the conversation to the why, places I… | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 05:08 PM |
| 11 | How to sexualize your datesNow that I have you lured into a false sense of security, you'll be easier to spy on. | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 06:19 AM |
| 1 | How to practice game without trying to get laid?This is absolutely correct. The natural order of things is for you to not get laid when you go out and talk to people. You have to take active steps for the lay happen. It does not happen by accident. You can easily do everything we talk about here, except for the endgame escalation, and you'll be absolutely fine. If your girlfriend doesn't mind you kissing other girls, you could even go that far...though I find it hard not to go farther once I'm making out with a girl. | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 06:18 AM |
| 2 | How to practice game without trying to get laid?eppey1 does not quite grasp the meaning of one-itis. You're fine. One-itis implies lack of reciprocation on the part of your target...or, at the least, a mismatched level of devotion and attention, wherein you care more about her feelings than she cares about yours. | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 06:16 AM |
| 10 | How to sexualize your datesIt is, of course, a joke. I generally can't stand to be in the same room with dumb girls. But, when she asks what I do, I'll often say, "I'm a spy." And she'll be so taken with the idea that it's hours before we get around to talking about what I actually do for a living. In that time we'll have concoted codenames, cover stories, mission plans, and discussed the finer points of being a spy (you know, spy conferences, spy car pools, spy health benefits and dental plans, etc.). And, during all tha… | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 06:10 AM |
| 20 | How to sexualize your datesDo you have any sisters? I'm guessing not, so I'm going to let you in on a little secret of the sorority: Girls will have their friends listen in on phone calls from boyfriends or boys who are asking them out. This is true at least through high school. I've had girls record me on the phone before, as well, and I've found out about it later...it was a little weird, but I didn't consider myself violated or anything. Some girls also debrief each other on what happened on dates, including extremely … | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 05:43 AM |
| 15 | How to sexualize your datesTo be fair, he knows he's a loser on dates...which is why he's doing it: To get better and stop being such a loser on dates. | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 05:41 AM |
| 12 | How to sexualize your datesI often tell girls I'm a spy. Being wired would be an awesome prop when we get to the bedroom (which we invariably do; chicks love mystery). | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 05:33 AM |
| 1 | [x-post from /r/documentaries] Japanese Male "Hosts" on Netflix. There's a lot to learn about seduction, pickup and other valuable information.Remember that hosts and hostesses don't sleep with their clients, as the main host said their goal is to "sell dreams". Not according to the film. The most talked about host in the film, Issei, says something along the lines of, "I have sex. Of course I have sex. I've had sex 365 days a year." and shows scenes of the girls taking the men home, or going to hotels. There's definitely sex happening with the guys in this film. And, many of the customers of the male hosts are female prostitutes, whil… | /r/seduction | 14/06/11 12:14 AM |
| 1 | [x-post from /r/documentaries] Japanese Male "Hosts" on Netflix. There's a lot to learn about seduction, pickup and other valuable information.That's amazing. And sad. And so many other things. The people, both hosts and customers, are just such tragic figures; the champagne scences at 30 minutes in are heartbreaking...the girls are wasted out of their minds and looking sad, the guys look like they're about to vomit, and yet they're all still loudly screaming for more. Japan is fucked up. Of course, American strip clubs are the same concept and business model with the sexes reversed. But, I think the scenes with approaches are fascinat… | /r/seduction | 13/06/11 10:16 PM |
| 5 | How do I keep up a long distance relationship without running out of things to say or do on skype? Any ideas for games or dumb things we can do over video chat?/r/relationship_advice | /r/seduction | 13/06/11 08:18 PM |
| 6 | I'm not old but why do I feel time is running out?From the FAQ: Am I too old for this? No. You're extremely lucky to have found a process for overcoming these problems early (and you have found such a process; most of the stuff we talk about here does work, it is not superstition). You'll be pleasantly surprised to find that you do have a little bit more time...you can date 20-somethings well into your 40s, if your game is tight. Also realize that a lot of guys don't get this shit figured out until much later than you (I'm among them), and some… | /r/seduction | 13/06/11 05:22 PM |
| -2 | What's with all this OKC shit? You know there's a subreddit for that already.I never said seduce. Then we agree that it doesn't belong in /r/seduction. | /r/seduction | 13/06/11 05:04 PM |
| 0 | What's with all this OKC shit? You know there's a subreddit for that already.The difference is that you can't effectively seduce those women online. If you happen to strike her fancy, by being lucky enough to be born looking like she considers the ideal male looks, making the amount of money she considers worthy, having the job she thinks is cool, answering a bunch of questions just the right way to match her checklist, whatever; then yes, you might get a date with a high quality woman online. I doubt she will be a 10, however. I've never seen a 10 on an online dating si… | /r/seduction | 13/06/11 04:40 PM |
| 5 | A very interesting interpretation on the question "What is an alpha male?" by a man who lives with a pack of wolves.It's not really an amogging situation. The wolfman guy is just really comfortable in his skin, and the guy who lives to be on TV is not. The contrast between the two becomes uncomfortable for the interviewer guy...nothing wolfman did was overtly or even subtly intimidating or "AMOG" type behavior, and in fact he answers every question with absolute politeness and patience...he is following the lead of the interviewer, but we can all see who the more alpha of the two is. The interviewer was simpl… | /r/seduction | 13/06/11 05:28 AM |
| 28 | [FR] Being a trooper: Kiss close HB8 stranger. Same-night pull HB2. Yes, HB2. Both are first-times for me in my home city.HB9 is leaving. Given my behavior with other girls, I want to be sincere, so I tell her: "Hey, I don't want you thinking I'm a player. Honestly, I've been wanting to talk to you the whole night. I'll delete all the other numbers I got tonight for you." "I'm sure we'll hang out again." "Can we get lunch sometime?" "Maybe." Her HB4 friend was there, but I blatantly asked her out anyways. HB4 approved. But I let her go without number close. WTF? Are you insane? You have all of this social proof, an… | /r/seduction | 12/06/11 11:29 PM |
| 0 | [FR] F-closed couchsurferI dunno, I just imagine this subreddit as a place to share stories of amazing feats or advice. You've imagined wrong. This is a field report. seddit is all about field reports. No amazing feats required or encouraged. | /r/seduction | 12/06/11 11:11 PM |
| 1 | Does a girl expect you to move for a kiss after the end of a first date, regardless of how the date went?If you ask them out again, they're more likely to think you're scared to make a move. Which is worse than them thinking you're not interested, since being afraid of girls is unattractive. So, what do you do instead? Kino, kino, kino. Physical push/pull. Tease her, and then pull her in with your arm around her shoulder, saying, "You're cute when you pout." or whatever. After a few of these, the kiss is easy. Usually you can just make eye contact, smirk, and then move in for the kiss on one of the… | /r/seduction | 12/06/11 03:58 PM |
| 6 | Hookup/Seduction: Big city vs Small citySmaller towns are harder to get laid in, because there are fewer places where quality young women congregate looking to meet men. I travel full-time. I know of what I speak. When I'm living in small towns, I can go weeks without getting laid, because I just don't meet enough girls that I would want to have sex with. You have an attitude of scarcity. There are men in your city who are in sexual relationships with a half dozen women, and bang a new one every couple of weeks. Some men have harems, … | /r/seduction | 09/06/11 05:15 PM |
| 1 | Not Giving a Fuck.That's a great thread. I don't usually read AskReddit, so I hadn't seen it. And, I think it touches on what we talk about here quite a bit: It's what you do that matters. You become the person you act like every day. | /r/seduction | 09/06/11 03:33 AM |
| 1 | [FR by proxy] and a perfect example of what being outgoing and the life of a party will get youHad the author not gotten shitfaced drunk this may have gone in a more relevant direction. I think this is an important point to learn from this. Some of my most regrettable failures of game have come from being too drunk to think clearly. I've never nearly died, but I failed to number close (or more) an HB9+ that was absolutely smitten on a couple of occasions. This could have been an epic story had he not wound up vomiting on the sidewalk just when things started getting good. | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 09:24 PM |
| 13 | Girl flaked because she's too poor.I do not understand how this kind of thing keeps coming up. First dates are cheap. There is no food to be paid for because you aren't taking her to dinner. There is no entertainment to be paid for because you aren't taking her to a show. There may be a couple of drinks, but you can buy a drink or two for a girl once you're on a date without it being a big deal. Hell, one of my favorite solutions to the "chick is poor" problem is to text her midweek with "Dolla dolla beers, y'all, at X bar Wednes… | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 07:42 PM |
| 16 | [FR] A Stripper approaches me, while I'm chilling in my car at 2:00 amYou gamed yourself right out of getting laid. Stop talking and following scripts, when the girl is being super compliant and seems horny. Just go with the flow. That said, let's be honest: A stripper who goes trawling for random dick in the middle of the night while high on drugs may not be as careful about her sexual health as she should be. I'd be hesitant to bang a girl like that, no matter how hot she is. | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 05:37 PM |
| 7 | "I don't know why I'm attracted to you""Well duh, it's because I'm an awesome and fun person, which is rare in this fucked up world." Try-hard. Just say, "I like you, too." And then playfully smack her on the ass or pull her in for a kiss or some other physical affirmation. | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 05:10 PM |
| 7 | Very effective field-tested teaseDon't do this, especially if she's particular about her hair or how she looks. Those are especially the ones you do it with. If you don't have a lot of playful teasing going back and forth, because she obviously doesn't enjoy it or something...then you'd back off a little on all teasing, and not just the hair tousling. But, if teasing is happening, and she's enjoying herself, you can get away with just about anything. If she gets mad (more than a mock "OMG! I can't believe you just did that!" ki… | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 04:18 PM |
| 1 | A guy is at a bar with his Fuckbuddy when a sports star (speculated to be Mariano Rivera, but left unclear) hits on her right in front of him, and takes her back to the hotel. What (if anything) could he have said to keep her with him?Jessica Alba's herpes might give me pause...but probably not. All sense goes out the window in such a case. Celebrities have serious sexual power. | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 06:16 AM |
| 6 | A guy is at a bar with his Fuckbuddy when a sports star (speculated to be Mariano Rivera, but left unclear) hits on her right in front of him, and takes her back to the hotel. What (if anything) could he have said to keep her with him?This probably wouldn't have worked in this case, but it's better than anything I can think of. | /r/seduction | 08/06/11 06:12 AM |
| 4 | Very effective field-tested teaseThis is pretty universal, and not at all surprising. The hair ruffle is really standard stuff. It comes after there's a bit of comfort with touch and there's a teasing back and forth going on, but it's not at all outrageous or untested. Only the spoken portion is "new", in the sense that I don't think I've ever seen anyone suggest it before, and we all know that what you say is only a tiny portion of what matters (what matters is how you say it, your body language, and your tonality). Anyway, I … | /r/seduction | 07/06/11 10:22 PM |
| 6 | [FR] # Closed cute Korean neighbor in my slippers (Day Game)Careful...you're setting up a frame of "we'll be buddies" rather than "we'll be lovers". That's not terrible, and a helluva a lot better than a sheepish "Thanks." so you're definitely improving. But, I do think you have to be willing to express your real desires, if subtly, rather than giving excuses for why you'd want to call her or why you should hang out. Indirect game is fine, but there still needs to be some sexual tension, even on the very first meeting, or else you get pigeonholed in her … | /r/seduction | 07/06/11 09:58 PM |
| 4 | What a week: 2 F-close for 40-something divorced dad. Thanks, seddit!Social bike rides are among my favorite option for expanding my social circle. It's mostly men, but there are usually still enough women to hit on, and they're usually pretty hot (for the same reasons a running group would have hot girls; they're into fitness for fun). And, it's much more acceptable to talk to people than at the gym. | /r/seduction | 07/06/11 07:34 PM |
| 1 | Since everyone's posting about their OKCupid successes. I thought I'd share my failure.Here's the thing: It's really easy to screw up via IM or text. Stuff that works OK in the real world can come off as try-hard via text. In this case, though, he went too hard on the self-deprecation, sarcasm, etc. which would have failed in the real world, too. It would have been less bad in person (probably, assuming body language and tonality are solid), but it still would have been bad mojo. | /r/seduction | 07/06/11 06:54 PM |
| 30 | What a week: 2 F-close for 40-something divorced dad. Thanks, seddit!Good FR. I like it when we get perspectives outside the norm (20-something, pursuing 20-something girls, being the norm around here). More evidence that good game works on all kinds of girls. | /r/seduction | 07/06/11 06:33 PM |
| 1 | Being the prize makes life dull.Your thoughts on this are all squirmy, and I can't quite pin them down so I can explain what exactly is wrong with them. I don't think you've quite got them pinned down, either (which is good, because at the moment, they're wrong, at least from the perspective of getting quality girls in your life, and so you need to keep them shifty and amorphous until you've got some sort of framework in place for working past this mental block). I think maybe what you're missing is that the "I'm the prize" me… | /r/seduction | 07/06/11 06:19 PM |
| 3 | Being the prize makes life dull.So, you want a princess, you want to put her on a pedestal, and you want her to be better than you. That's a problem you need to work on. A good relationship is one made up of roughly equally awesome people. If the alternative to you being the prize is you being a milquetoast and doing whatever she says because she's a princess and you're her humble servant, girls will want nothing to do with you. You know how bored she'll be in such a situation? She no more wants to be treated like a princess t… | /r/seduction | 07/06/11 05:53 PM |
| 2 | Not Giving a Fuck.This. Fake it till you make it actually requires real action. You have to go outside and talk to girls in order to fake it. You can't fake it in your house (while you can do your affirmations at home). You can't fake it while reading reddit (but you can tell yourself reading reddit is helping). Going outside and walking up to girls and saying "Hey, how's it going?" is an action which reinforces positive behaviors and self-beliefs. When you do that enough times, your brain can easily believe you'… | /r/seduction | 06/06/11 05:02 PM |
| 1 | Not Giving a Fuck.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19493324 Or the full PDF: http://www.uni-graz.at/psy9www_sul_09ws_vo_krueger_wood_et_al.__2009_.pdf There is pretty much no good science to indicate positive effects, though it is not a well-studied area. It derived from New Age and self-help bullshit rather than from actual clinical research...so, it's never been taken very seriously as a technique for therapy, and thus nobody has done much to prove or disprove it. But, when it does get the light of a controll… | /r/seduction | 06/06/11 04:55 PM |
| 1 | Not Giving a Fuck.You're not convincing me by saying "just a form of NLP". NLP is bunk. The parts of NLP that are known to work (in controlled scientific studies) pre-existed NLP and were in common use in behavioral psychotherapy and other fields. The parts of NLP that are unique to NLP have pretty much zero credibility, and have failed to produce results in controlled scientific studies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurolinguistic_Programming#Criticism_and_controversy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLP_and_scienc… | /r/seduction | 06/06/11 04:52 PM |
| 4 | Not Giving a Fuck.Alternatives to something that has a negative impact? I guess doing nothing would be a better alternative, though the mere desire to get better and a willingness to commit to active effort in that direction probably has a net positive effect, even if the techniques you use are doing you harm. Maybe. Here's stuff that we know works: Practice. Practice leads to success (eventually). Success leads to confidence. Confidences leads to more success. There is science to this one; your brain can be "tri… | /r/seduction | 06/06/11 02:21 AM |
| 9 | Not Giving a Fuck.Sorry, but the science is not good on affirmations. In fact, most of the real science seems to indicate that affirmations have a negative impact on the mental well-being of the people most in need of improvement. If you already have good self esteem, affirmations probably won't hurt; but if you have self esteem problems, affirmations may very well cause a spiral further and further into depression and self-doubt. One theory on why this happens is that you can't easily trick your own brain. If yo… | /r/seduction | 05/06/11 10:27 PM |
| 3 | Is wealth really a workable solution?Two of the richest men I know (and I know some fantastically rich people) have had horrible luck landing decent women. Because they have no game. One of them went to a PUA workshop, which was a bit of an embarrassment, and began learning game a couple of years ago. Last time I saw him, he was doing much better, though still having a hard time. Having tens of millions of dollars, and a significant stake in several early stage companies that will eventually make him worth hundreds of millions (his… | /r/seduction | 05/06/11 08:03 PM |
| 2 | How often should I text this girl I am interested in?If you only learn one rule about text game, this is the one to learn. Your texts should be similar length or shorter than hers, and you should be texting maybe 2 for every 3 messages she sends you. Sometimes you have to break this rule in order to get a date set, but it should be pretty rare. | /r/seduction | 04/06/11 05:15 PM |
| 2 | How often should I text this girl I am interested in?This isn't quite the right balance. You shouldn't be aiming for frustration. What you want is the tingle of uncertainty. Mystery is fun. Frustration is not fun. | /r/seduction | 04/06/11 05:11 PM |
| 2 | What's with the OK cupid obsession?I'd say it's closer to 2% on OKC. If you're decent looking, OKC will be showing you higher rated girls; it chooses matches based partly on how you're rated. But, when you actually dig deeper and look at the full results, you're going to see the dregs. Or, if you happen to be in the lower half, probably due to being fat, you'll see the dregs and rarely see a quality girl, by default. This makes sense from the perspective of OKC, since ugly/fat guys aren't going to have much luck with beautiful/sk… | /r/seduction | 03/06/11 09:20 PM |
| 5 | [Online FR] Ongoing OKC MessageYou talk too much. She says two sentences, you reply with a novel. You're way more invested in the outcome than she is, and thus demonstrating lower value. You start off strong (with a subtle neg, even), but once she turns her attention your way, you start bouncing around like an excited puppy. No challenge, just boring question and answer. It's easy to fall prey to that kind of thing, if writing is what you're good at...but you need to fight it. It won't serve you well on OKC. That said, this m… | /r/seduction | 03/06/11 02:41 PM |
| 4 | Why Seddit keeps preaching "Move on!" and the repercussions, from my experience, of not doing so.OK. You know you better than I do. But, I've known a lot of addicts, and you've got a lot of the traits of an addict. Lay off the booze, regardless; you were hitting it really hard in this story, and while I don't begrudge anyone wanting to party, do drugs, let off steam, etc. I also hate to see people destroy themselves with addictive substances. And, in your case, everything really terrible that happened in your story would have been avoided had you been sober. So, it's at least as much a less… | /r/seduction | 02/06/11 05:49 PM |
| 20 | Why Seddit keeps preaching "Move on!" and the repercussions, from my experience, of not doing so.I think maybe we need to talk about your alcoholism first. Are you getting some help with that? | /r/seduction | 02/06/11 01:00 PM |
| 3 | Is there an iPhone app to let me type a reply now and set a time to automatically send it later?Careful with that. If she texts you again with some other question or comment...your reply might not make sense, might come across entirely wrong (I can visualize something like this happening, "Saw a monkey on a bicycle!", you reply "LOL!" for delivery four hours later, one hour later she says, "My cat just got run over! I feel horrible."). In email it works OK to have send later features, since context can be included in the message, but texting is much more limited, and the context is usually… | /r/seduction | 01/06/11 10:42 PM |
| 4 | I get it. I just don't care for it...Looks to me like he came to waste our time and his. | /r/seduction | 31/05/11 07:48 AM |
| 0 | [FR] Experimenting with "momentum", "not giving a fuck", and "going direct"."No kidding. He's definitely a good looking dude." Then change the subject. Or, if you're into that sort of thing (and you think your friend would be down for it), say, "You want me to invite him to come with us?" | /r/seduction | 30/05/11 08:04 PM |
| 5 | [FR] Experimenting with "momentum", "not giving a fuck", and "going direct".This feels try-hard to me. | /r/seduction | 30/05/11 08:01 PM |
| 1 | Frequently Asked QuestionsI've added a question/answer for this to the FAQ. You should do exactly what we recommend guys do. Women picking up women turns out to be surprisingly similar to straight men picking up women (our resident expert on the subject, LesbianPUA, speaks up frequently, and maintains a subreddit on the topic). You'll find that nearly everything we talk about here applies to your seduction of women, though the alpha mentality is less important for women (if a guy talks over you, it won't break attraction… | /r/seduction | 29/05/11 08:00 PM |
| 4 | IAm about to profess my love to a friend of three yearsHell, your prediction seems like too good of an outcome to expect. I was pleasantly surprised by how gentle you were about it, honestly. | /r/seduction | 29/05/11 04:56 PM |
| 13 | The BEST possible text you can send when she flakes (doesn't reply to you asking her out)Reactive. That makes you unattractive. OP reply is non-reactive. I don't know that his reply is better than nothing (I am a big proponent of "when in doubt, say nothing"), but yours is horrible, and I would definitely expect negative results. | /r/seduction | 28/05/11 05:20 AM |
| 4 | User nomznomznomz, you've been shadow-banned by reddit admins. Please create a new account.I doubt they could put up with this place sober. | /r/seduction | 26/05/11 08:43 PM |
| 3 | Pointers for messaging a girl way out of my league on OKCupidThis is true, too. She's not someone I would ever message. She's attractive enough, but not my type (at all). But, OP is wearing an Ed Hardy shirt or something similarly atrocious in his picture, so we have to assume he is a pretty good looking douche seeking a pretty good looking douchette (and they are both pretty good looking, despite any differences of taste and style I may have with them). And more power to both of them, I say! | /r/seduction | 25/05/11 10:46 PM |
| 4 | Pointers for messaging a girl way out of my league on OKCupidShe's less hot than you think. She's hiding a lot of her face, and posing to minimize body imperfections. That said, she's still hot. But, there's no reason you wouldn't be able to approach her in the real world. My advice: Don't make a big deal out of her. She's like any other girl, so you should message her like you'd message any other girl. She probably won't reply; hot girls on OKC get tons of messages, and ignore a lot of them. No big deal. But, if you elevate her and exhibit too much excit… | /r/seduction | 25/05/11 07:14 PM |
| 0 | Medical Doctor Doug McGuff Speaks Alongside Dating Guru Adam Lyons and Paleo Guru Mark Sisson -- Proves Health of Primal Diet and ExerciseYes, and there is actually some decent science discussed in this video, though I think there are better sources for it. But, I really don't like the inaccurate and hyperbolic title beachmuscles has chosen (he's done it in a lot, maybe all, of his submissions, and I find it distasteful and misleading). Frankly, I just really hate spammy shit in seddit. | /r/seduction | 25/05/11 06:59 PM |
| 0 | Medical Doctor Doug McGuff Speaks Alongside Dating Guru Adam Lyons and Paleo Guru Mark Sisson -- Proves Health of Primal Diet and ExerciseI don't care if they're qualified or not. A dude talking is not proof. Peer-reviewed science is proof. Show me the science and call it proof. Don't show me a video of a guy making assertions and call it proof. | /r/seduction | 25/05/11 06:30 PM |
| 1 | Medical Doctor Doug McGuff Speaks Alongside Dating Guru Adam Lyons and Paleo Guru Mark Sisson -- Proves Health of Primal Diet and ExerciseThat book, unfortunately, also has some flaws, though the study it is based on is among the most impressive studies of human diet ever undertaken. As flawed as The China Study popular science book is, the science upon which paleo/primal diets are based is almost non-existent. In short, go to the science rather than the popular science interpretations of the science. If it looks like a fad diet, it probably is (paleo/primal looks a lot like a fad diet, to me). If it looks like it was written to b… | /r/seduction | 25/05/11 06:24 PM |
| 1 | Medical Doctor Doug McGuff Speaks Alongside Dating Guru Adam Lyons and Paleo Guru Mark Sisson -- Proves Health of Primal Diet and ExerciseSome dudes talking does not prove anything. Paleo/primal diets are fad diets (better than many, but a fad diet, nonetheless). While people who switch from an average western diet to a "paleo" or "primal" diet will see remarkable improvements to health, it is because they are cutting out a huge swath of garbage and replacing it with whole foods. But, there are almost certainly better diets for longevity and overall health. Also, the science on what humans historically ate does not agree with the … | /r/seduction | 25/05/11 05:34 PM |
| 2 | Hey Seddit, I did a thing and I now seek advice about follow-up action. Thanks guys; you rule.We get a lot of guys here who think that having sex without longterm commitment is somehow a bad thing, and is taking something from the girls they date. It's a broken mindset, but it is very common among a lot of "nice guys" we get first comments from around here. I mistook your "I don't want to be a dick" comment for that mindset. | /r/seduction | 25/05/11 03:46 PM |
| 9 | Hey Seddit, I did a thing and I now seek advice about follow-up action. Thanks guys; you rule.Take it in pieces. Your problems seem impossible to deal with when you look at it all at once, but they're all pretty darned small individually. If driving is the only way to get around your area, go get your license. Takes an hour, if you already know how to drive. If you don't, it'll take you a couple days of practice and reading. I don't have a car, and bike everywhere or catch a cab (I'll rent a car for some things, but not for first dates; and when you're under 25 you have to jump through a… | /r/seduction | 25/05/11 06:13 AM |
| 1 | Hey Seddit, I did a thing and I now seek advice about follow-up action. Thanks guys; you rule.Take it in pieces. Your problems seem impossible to deal with when you look at it all at once, but they're all pretty darned small individually. If driving is the only way to get around your area, go get your license. Takes an hour, if you already know how to drive. If you don't, it'll take you a couple days of practice and reading. I don't have a car, and bike everywhere or catch a cab (I'll rent a car for some things, but not for first dates; and when you're under 25 you have to jump through a… | /r/seduction | 25/05/11 06:11 AM |
| 2 | I'm a female. I'm in love with my best friend. Advice?One-itis. You has it. Game fails where one-itis reigns. All the things we can tell you are incompatible with thinking of this one specific guy as the only guy for you. We preach an attitude of abundance (i.e. there are millions of awesome people in the world; I don't need all of them, or any specific one) and being unattached to outcomes (i.e. if this approach fails, it's OK; there will be many more in the future). You're betting everything on one person. In short, that's not what we do here. We… | /r/seduction | 24/05/11 05:59 AM |
| 3 | Routine: 5 Questions GameBar games, bar bets, and drinking games, are all good conversation fodder. It doesn't have to be just the ones approved by Style, Mystery, David D, or whoever else. Play any bar game; they're meant to be fun and get people talking and laughing, which is all you need. There are hundreds of coin games, question games, card games, dart games, billiards games, etc. that you can play to keep the energy high and the kino flowing and the girl laughing. You can make them up on the spot ("OK, I'm going t… | /r/seduction | 24/05/11 02:14 AM |
| 2 | [fr] judgement day came earlyAgreed. I believe the biggest mistake of the night was not playing with the "douchebag" hot girl. chumpta was approached by one of the hottest girls in the room, that's money (even if he didn't want her, other girls are aware of that kind of thing). I can understand getting caught off-guard, though. It happens to the best of us. But, it was a shit test and an opener...so, disarming the shit test, and changing the subject would be the way to go. She wanted to talk, but had been embarrassed by the… | /r/seduction | 23/05/11 03:31 PM |
| 2 | Got her number and everything went perfectly, but now she isn't texting/calling back...Wait a while. At least a few hours. Then setup a date. Maybe open with "Sorry to hear you're having a bad weekend. The weekend is almost over, so things are looking up for you." or something along those lines. You can be nice when she's having shitty times...but, you shouldn't jump to attention when she responds hours or days late. You should respond similarly late, and casually, as though you didn't notice she was MIA, and as though you were too busy to notice your message. I've started leaving… | /r/seduction | 23/05/11 05:53 AM |
| 6 | Ask Seddit: What's your best comeback for "Why are you staring at my tits?" (or the declarative variant: "You're staring at my chest.")Short, to the point, and non-reactive. There is nothing at all wrong with this response. It is perfect in every way. | /r/seduction | 23/05/11 02:03 AM |
| 3 | Ask Seddit: What's your best comeback for "Why are you staring at my tits?" (or the declarative variant: "You're staring at my chest.")All field tested. I laughed at the thought of thinking of these, going out into the field, testing, and then pulling out your clipboard and making notes of the responses. Obviously, these all turned out really well. I mean, they'd have to, right? | /r/seduction | 23/05/11 02:01 AM |
| 6 | Ask Seddit: What's your best comeback for "Why are you staring at my tits?" (or the declarative variant: "You're staring at my chest.")Weakness, you has it. Never deny when accused of "crimes" like this. You're a man. If you want to look at tits, you'll look at tits. It's bad game to stare at a girl's tits...but if you do, and you're caught, don't act like you've been caught doing something naughty. | /r/seduction | 23/05/11 01:59 AM |
| 1 | Frustrated as hell!There exists an opposite argument for just about every piece of advice that I find That is because there is more than one way to do it. Also there are way more than one type of girl. And because there is a lot of money to made by making up more shit to sell to desperate guys. | /r/seduction | 22/05/11 02:47 PM |
| 1 | Frustrated as hell!Or, it could just be that he hasn't actually gone out into the field and talked to real girls. With experience it becomes easier to separate the bullshit designed to sell books/videos/bootcamps and the fundamental knowledge. | /r/seduction | 22/05/11 02:45 PM |
| 1 | I have good game when I'm alone, but when I'm around my male friends I turn into the dirtiest motherfucker on the planet and it drives women away. Is there a solution to this?We calls them as we sees them. More than one experienced sedditor thinks maybe that's where your problem lies, so I'd give it better than even odds of being at least somewhat true. We don't know you, and we're not seeing your interactions, only your description of them. But, from what I know about your situation, "dancing monkey" syndrome is the problem I think you have. All you have to do is try our advice and see what happens. Then you'll know for sure (and hopefully you'll come back and share… | /r/seduction | 21/05/11 08:10 PM |
| 1 | I have good game when I'm alone, but when I'm around my male friends I turn into the dirtiest motherfucker on the planet and it drives women away. Is there a solution to this?There's a lot unsaid in your post. And, those unsaid things are the important bits. Unfortunately, since you haven't mentioned them, you probably don't have the level of social calibration needed to know where your problems are. Here's what I can tell you: Dirty jokes are fine. And, I don't mean, "you can get away with them every now and then". I mean you can be a dirty motherfucker from the get-go, and still get girls; even high quality girls. So, I suspect your problem is something altogether … | /r/seduction | 21/05/11 07:08 PM |
| 1 | how do i turn questions into statements?You're not asking the right question here. You don't want to ask a bunch of questions, and you don't want to make a bunch of statements. You want to have a conversation, and that's not a series of questions and statements. The key to having a better conversation is not about what you say...it's about what you hear. Listen to what people say, and bounce off of it. Tell relevant (short!) stories when the subject turns to something you have a funny story about. Thread various topics in occasionalll… | /r/seduction | 21/05/11 04:35 AM |
| 1 | Hey seddit any good movies/documentiares I should watch?I coudln't even finish this movie. So tedious and dull. In fact, I hate most of Linklater's films, as they tend to be equally dull. I did find Julie Delpy to be quite lovely in it, but it wasn't enough. | /r/seduction | 21/05/11 03:35 AM |
| 1 | Hey seddit any good movies/documentiares I should watch?Upvoted mostly for The Tao of Steve. The Pick-up Artist has primarily one lesson to teach: Constantly approach girls without fear and you will get laid. A lot. | /r/seduction | 21/05/11 03:30 AM |
| 2 | Hey seddit any good movies/documentiares I should watch?No doubt...Han Solo has awesome game. | /r/seduction | 21/05/11 03:24 AM |
| 3 | [FR] Solo Sarge, Instant Wing, # Close, eventual F Close {super long}My biggest sticking points though is reestablishing Kino on Day 2's etc. Your biggest sticking point, as I see it, is using all canned routines (and pretty well-known ones, at that). These will get you shot down fast in major cities, where the attractive girls have heard them a dozen times. But, good job on approaching, and sticking it out despite having a shitty friend ditch you. | /r/seduction | 20/05/11 09:19 PM |
| 8 | How to stay masculine when going out with 2+ girls at the same time?I tend to have a lot of female friends, and I do this all the time. Gay it up, joke about being a lady ("I'm a lady" said as though you're Oprah or something), drink with pinky extended, say silly girly stuff like "I can't, I'm watching my figure", etc. But, and here's what I think is really important: Don't fall into the cackling hen bullshit. If the girls are gossiping, don't join the gossip. Gossip is unattractive on men and women...but on men, it is feminine and beta in addition to being una… | /r/seduction | 20/05/11 08:50 PM |
| 13 | [FR] Day-2 lay reporti mean, she agreed to meet you 1 on 1, and showed up looking nice. Umm...That's what happens on a date. Not all dates end in sex. He played the game well, she had a great time, and so did he. That's what this subreddit is about. | /r/seduction | 20/05/11 08:12 PM |
| 2 | Fatties need not apply?To be fair, she said: It seems really ridiculous for you to think you should be sleeping with extremely attractive women when you said yourself you are overweight and not attractive. And, it kinda is. If you're fat, it's probably not reasonable to think you should be sleeping with beautiful, skinny, girls. The fact that you can, if you put in the effort and get really confident with women, doesn't alter the fact that a lot of folks will look at the resulting couple and think, "What's she doing w… | /r/seduction | 20/05/11 06:02 PM |
| 4 | Fatties need not apply?People are piling on with the downvotes...but there is some truth to it. Looks don't matter as much for men as they do for women, but they do matter. Being 70 pounds overweight is a major detriment to the kind of girls you can attract. You'll do better when you lose the weight, and you'll find it easier to attract the highest quality girls. That said, I know some chubby guys who do very well. One of the most successful guys I knew in high school (who got even more successful in college and later… | /r/seduction | 20/05/11 04:45 AM |
| 10 | You have to approach. [True story]That's true. It's much easier to bang grown women the first day you meet them. | /r/seduction | 19/05/11 10:16 PM |
| 1 | What do I do with a girl when I'm broke?Look over in the sidebar, where it says "CONFUSED ON TERMINOLOGY". Click that glossary link. All your acronym and abbreviation and jargon questions will be answered. | /r/seduction | 19/05/11 05:11 AM |
| 1 | What do I do with a girl when I'm broke?Yeah, I'm not 21 and I'm not taking her for coffee when she works at Starbucks. So what? You're not really grasping what I just explained, so I'll repeat myself: Dates are not to impress the girl. Dates are an opportunity to get to know the girl better. (Note that I was not suggesting you go to Starbucks for your date. That'd be stupid. Starbucks is anti-sexy. I was simply saying that because you were buying coffee at Starbucks when you met her, we know you have enough money for a cup of overpri… | /r/seduction | 19/05/11 04:37 AM |
| 4 | What do I do with a girl when I'm broke?If you can afford a cup of coffee at Starbucks, you can afford a first date. I usually meet for coffee or drinks for the first date, and often I'll switch off buying rounds with the girl; or, if I get there first, I'll buy myself a drink and she can fend for herself when she arrives (if she doesn't make a move to buy a drink, I'll finish mine and by a new round for both of us). No big deal. It's good to have a few bucks in your pocket, so you can buy a round if it seems like the right thing to d… | /r/seduction | 18/05/11 07:46 PM |
| 2 | I'm really struggling in a new cityI travel full-time, and have no permanent residence (I rent a new place wherever I go). I'm in a new city every couple of months. I don't always have a great social life, but I've gotten pretty good at making one happen when I really want to be social. Here's what I do to jump start my social circle: Introduce myself to my neighbors. Whenever I can, I choose cool neighborhoods with young, hip people and walkable or bikeable bars, restaurants and coffee shops. If you don't live in such a place, s… | /r/seduction | 18/05/11 05:15 PM |
| 1 | I'm really struggling in a new cityYou can get some impressive results quickly if you rehearse a few gimmicks, but those are hollow victories; you're still lost after you've used up your material. Doesn't matter if the interactions don't go anywhere. It's practice cold approaching girls, and that has a big impact on your results. I don't think any interaction with real live girls can be considered hollow victories...they lay the groundwork for the future. While I'm all for ditching the canned material as soon as possible, if it r… | /r/seduction | 18/05/11 05:01 PM |
| 2 | Rainbow T-shirt for climbing,not for gay!!So much hippie hate in this thread. Hippie chicks are sometimes hot as hell, and they're generally really low maintenance. I don't mind getting a little grubby now and then. | /r/seduction | 18/05/11 04:58 PM |
| 3 | Feeling disillusioned with SeductionThe hotter the girl, the more true this is. | /r/seduction | 18/05/11 04:25 PM |
| 3 | Feeling disillusioned with SeductionI'm aware of the "gift givers" culture. The problem with that one is that it is self-destructive behavior: They are a danger to themselves and others. We, as a society, tend to want folks with those kinds of problems to get help...and in many places, the law will step in to force psychiatric care, possibly under confinement, when someone meets that definition (I don't support that kind of forced intervention, but some societies do). I'm all for BDSM, various kinds of slave play, etc., and I thin… | /r/seduction | 18/05/11 04:14 PM |
| 18 | Feeling disillusioned with SeductionFor someone just like you, who is basically already socially calibrated, but afraid to approach, your advice may make sense. Some guys need more guidance than that. Some guys need more guidance to feel like they can begin to approach and get that practice. Some guys need assurance that if they go through the unavoidable pain of making mistakes, embarrassing themselves, failing, being rejected, and overall leaving their comfort zone for extended periods, at some point in the future, they will beg… | /r/seduction | 18/05/11 08:53 AM |
| 2 | Possible to "know too much" about game?Those guys are Mystery, Style, and some other mPUAs who use Mystery Method stuff. They have fuckin great memories- if you have good memorization skills, you can probably pull off something similar to what they do. From what I've read, I don't think they have miraculously good memories...I think they failed a bunch while experimenting, and then internalized right behaviors in the process. The routines were and are secondary to their success. It's their confidence, body language, assertiveness, an… | /r/seduction | 17/05/11 08:04 PM |
| 3 | Possible to "know too much" about game?I think it's possible to waste your time studying game, if it is used in place of actually practicing with real women. You won't get good with girls by reading about girls, any more than you'd get good at basketball, or playing guitar, or whatever, by reading about it. It simply doesn't work that way. I also think it's possible for nerds like most of us sedditors to get analysis paralysis, where we spend so much time thinking about what we should say or do that the moment when we should have sai… | /r/seduction | 17/05/11 07:58 PM |
| 3 | [FR] 2nd date k-close and 3rd date no k-close with HB7You've been friendzoned, friend. Nearly all the things you're calling mistakes in your FR probably aren't that important in the big picture. But, not escalating from the first date definitely is important, and you obviously didn't do it, since your kiss came on the second date. First kiss should generally come an hour or two into the first date, long before the date is over. I say "generally", because some cases are special...I did a field report about a girl that it took me several instances of… | /r/seduction | 17/05/11 06:59 PM |
| 5 | 5th date with a girl and things went very well. Today she doesn't call me or respond to my text. What should I do?Nothing. Stop texting and calling her! You shouldn't have done either enough to be worrying about why she hasn't responded...it's been one day. You should have sent one text or called her once. Got it? One time; singular; not two, not three, not "every five minutes until she answers, OMG, why doesn't she answer?!?". Once. Anything more than that is needy and unattractive. Don't be unattractive. She could be busy. She could be sleeping. She could be out with friends. She could be sick. She could … | /r/seduction | 17/05/11 06:17 PM |
| 2 | Highseddit asks you: What do you wish you'd known in terms of seduction/social dynamics in high school/before college? What can we get away with in high school and what can we do to prepare before college? Unorthodox advice is encouraged, as we know/have read the books (MM, ConqYC)There isn't a whole lot of social disparity between students (things like cars, being a celebrity, high paying job) so as long as you think you are the shit, you pretty much are. I wanted to repeat this, and amplify, because I don't think a lot of high school kids realize just how fluid social cliques in high school can be (though they rarely are). There is this belief that social strata is really strong in high school and fades later...but, that's not really true. People in high school haven't … | /r/seduction | 16/05/11 05:14 PM |
| 2 | Advice: When the Shit Hits the FanI'm not sure I understand this perspective. If you manage expectations from the beginning, there is no uncomfortable breakup, there is no stalking, there are no dramatic scenes in restaurants. Just be honest from the beginning, if you aren't looking for something serious. Cancer chick wants to have as normal a life as possible. Dating and sex is part of a normal life. So, you look like a hero (at least to her, and any of her close friends that she talks to about it) for not letting the cancer th… | /r/seduction | 15/05/11 06:02 PM |
| 2 | Advice: When the Shit Hits the FanIn this context, he is not apologizing. He is expressing sorrow. "I'm sorry" is not necessarily an apology. It can be used in all sorts of contexts. For example, "I'm sorry I offended you.", which is an apology, or "I'm sorry to hear that.", which expresses sorrow at what I just heard from you. I think he did fine. I'm sure she did not interpret this as an expression of guilt or apology. | /r/seduction | 15/05/11 05:40 PM |
| 1 | Frequently Asked QuestionsIt's in the sidebar: CONFUSED ON TERMINOLOGY? This glossary defines the most commonly used community terms. When in doubt, google it! Tag your field reports with [FR]. Video Field Reports [VFR] are also encouraged. Click here for a how-to guide. You are not obligated to use the acronyms and abbreviations and jargon in your own posts and comments, but in some cases it is a useful shorthand to express complex concepts briefly. | /r/seduction | 15/05/11 04:55 PM |
| 3 | Sedditors, I have quadriplegia and I need your help!Telling a girl what to do (within reason) is good game. So, yeah, tell her to sit next to you, if things are going well and you're having a conversation (I do this sometimes, myself, pretending to really notice my target for the first time..."Hey, I haven't talked to you at all tonight. Come here. Sit down."). Likewise, getting them to lean down to be closer to you, which you can do explicitly or by simply talking quieter (be careful with this one, though, you don't want people to zone you out b… | /r/seduction | 11/05/11 09:23 PM |
| 3 | Sedditors, I have quadriplegia and I need your help!Villains always have like 20 chicks in bikinis around them. Chicks totally dig dangerous men. But, there are probably better ways forward for you that don't involve creation of super-weapons or espionage. | /r/seduction | 11/05/11 08:50 PM |
| 1 | [FR] 4 F-closes in a day and a half or What to Do When Moving Away.Yes, that's true. Once you've gotten the rest of your game pretty solid, About 50% of your effort is spent on logistics: getting a girl to a place and time where you can do what you want to do (whether that's sex or something else). | /r/seduction | 11/05/11 05:16 PM |
| 2 | [FR] 4 F-closes in a day and a half or What to Do When Moving Away.Yep. Just keep on telling yourself you have no chance because of something you can't change. Chicks totally dig defeatism and low self-esteem. So, why are you here? You seem to believe you have to be tall in order to be successful with girls. I'm guessing you're not tall, so, why bother? | /r/seduction | 11/05/11 05:14 PM |
| 2 | [FR] 4 F-closes in a day and a half or What to Do When Moving Away.If you had better organization, you could probably arrange more like 10 F-closes in a day couldn't you? It's not a job, man! Take your time, enjoy yourself. I've had two girls in one day, though not at the same time, and beyond the initial "Wow, I'm a badass" feeling, it's better to just enjoy the same girl all day. | /r/seduction | 11/05/11 04:45 PM |
| 9 | [FR] 4 F-closes in a day and a half or What to Do When Moving Away.There's always some excuse you can give yourself for why you don't talk to more girls, and why no girl should want you. Not tall enough, not thin enough, too thin, asymmetrical face, too many pimples today, no clean clothes, not enough money, etc. Sure, being tall, good-looking and rich are good things. You'd get more girls if you were all of those things. But you know how many girls complaining and tearing yourself down will get you? Exactly none. If you believe that being short makes you worth… | /r/seduction | 11/05/11 04:41 PM |
| 1 | How many Sedditors here are unemployed?How about getting a job? Don't be proud. Get a shitty job, if that's all that's available. It'll give you some pocket money and a reason to get up and out a few times a week. But, you can drink water when you go to the bar. You generally just need a buck to tip the bartender for that. I often drink one or two beers and then switch to water, as I don't really enjoy being drunk. | /r/seduction | 10/05/11 11:15 PM |
| 1 | [FR] Cold Approach works like a charm!That's what I like about these high school girls, man. | /r/seduction | 10/05/11 07:51 PM |
| 1 | [FR] Blew it. Total Failure!!! Learn from my mistakes, if you want... especially you sensitive, writer, drinker types (long)I hadn't thought of it that way, but it was kinda cruel. As was the way she manipulated me into telling her how I felt in the first place. Classic shit test (which might mean her flirting wasn't fake just to get attention; I consider shit tests an IOI most of the time). You failed. Not really her fault; girls can't help shit testing potential mates. If we hold grudges for shit tests we will never get laid or meet great girls. Nonetheless, I think less of her for flirting with someone else and ha… | /r/seduction | 10/05/11 07:03 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Blew it. Total Failure!!! Learn from my mistakes, if you want... especially you sensitive, writer, drinker types (long)This is why we love you, LesbianPUA. As painful as this was to read, I also laughed. A lot. Because we've all made these same mistakes...maybe (hopefully) not all in one night with one girl, but we've all been there. Honestly, though, it probably is salvageable, as others have mentioned. This chick really likes you...you fucked up, bad. But, you had strong attraction when you fucked up. Because it was so spectacular, and so quick and intense, I almost feel like it may not be as bad as making all… | /r/seduction | 10/05/11 06:16 AM |
| 3 | Hey seddit, let's get to know each other!I'm a cofounder in a tech startup that's been around for a few years. It's comfortably profitable and pays me a decent and reliable salary. I'm not wealthy, but I do have a very high level of freedom. I also have a very high level of security, even in down economic conditions. I use that freedom to travel pretty much constantly, staying in one city for a month or two or three, and then moving to another, rarely repeating, though I do have a couple of favorite cities that I visit once or twice a … | /r/seduction | 09/05/11 11:59 PM |
| 4 | How do you avoid resenting women?I don't have any revelations that will change your whole worldview, and I don't think anyone here is going to be able to make you accept the world for what it is rather than what you wish it was. But, I do have some comments that I think are relevant to your situation. I have always respected them very much, and related to them more so than with men. This is probably why you have so much more knowledge of women's faults. Men have faults, as well, and if you spend enough time with a large number … | /r/seduction | 09/05/11 07:33 PM |
| 12 | Some basic tips I've realized that have made all the difference in my attitude and resultsIt depends on the crowd. In my experience, it's easier to adjust upwards later than to correct for over-use in the beginning. Some people just don't get sarcasm...and if you don't have at least half of the group keeping up with you, you'll lose the target. In some cases, even if she's smart enough to know WTF you're talking about, you can lose her because the rest of the group is not. This applies to a lot of stuff we nerdy types do for laughs: puns, ludicrous exaggeration for humorous effect (t… | /r/seduction | 09/05/11 02:36 AM |
| 1 | How do I deal with other alphas who kind of rip into me a little bit? I think its relevant to life in generalThat's a good one, too. Commonly recommended for handling insults. Since they have to do something for you (repeat themselves a couple of times), it becomes a tit-for-tat kind of thing. | /r/seduction | 08/05/11 07:44 PM |
| 4 | How do I deal with other alphas who kind of rip into me a little bit? I think its relevant to life in general"No problem, brother", or "I got your back, bro" or "You got it, dude" or "I got this." Say it loud, with a confident nod and smile. Then, slap him on the shoulder or back like you're old friends, as you deliver the drink or whatever. Anything that makes a minor show of you doing the task, and makes it clear you're doing him a solid (even a small one), is fine. Spend more time with dudes. This stuff will begin to come naturally. There is a certain level of playful jousting that goes on among men… | /r/seduction | 08/05/11 06:26 PM |
| 1 | [FR] Success or Failure?Good job. My only real criticism would be: Do more of what you want to do. You're thinking too much about pleasing people, especially your targets. This is a low-value mindset, and one that will lead to you breaking frame frequently, as happened in this case. When you're tired of sitting with the girl, get up and go somewhere else. When she shut down the kissing and wasn't enthusiastic to be around you, I probably would have waited a couple minutes, making smalltalk, and if things didn't turn ar… | /r/seduction | 08/05/11 08:11 AM |
| 18 | How do I deal with other alphas who kind of rip into me a little bit? I think its relevant to life in generalOne of my favorite tactics for this kind of situation is to simply ask him for a small and very reasonable favor when we're surrounded by other people. "Hey, man, can you hand me my drink? It's right behind you." or "Hey, you got the time?" or "Could you ask Sam whether there's more beer or if we should make a beer run?" In a bar or party situation. Or, in a work sort of environment, ask him to look something up, ask someone about something, or just wait for you while you grab something from som… | /r/seduction | 08/05/11 03:03 AM |
| 3 | DAE think that having a hickey kind of gives you some cred, in the eyes of women?I think this is probably correct, but I think it also works with college girls, even if you aren't in college. Younger girls view hickeys differently than grownups, and that makes a difference...to younger girls it's frisky and funny and a little risque, and it's an obvious proof of being preselected by other women. But, to grownup girls (say, 24+), it's probably more likely to be taken as evidence of immaturity, and poor choice in girls (girls who are younger than they are). Likewise, grownup g… | /r/seduction | 07/05/11 11:06 PM |
| 5 | [FR] took the girl i like to a barShould i tell her how i feel or how should i do this? Why not read the FAQ? This is one of them. | /r/seduction | 07/05/11 10:57 PM |
| 4 | Girl you like says "call me anytime tomorrow" (not a workday), when is the best time to call?I'm gonna take a stab at this: I think you should call her anytime tomorrow. It sounds crazy, I know, but I think it just might work. | /r/seduction | 07/05/11 06:27 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Why I Need Boxers With Buttons And Other Embarrassing EventsNo big deal. You're overthinking it, and getting too caught up in outcomes. So you didn't get laid that night, so what? You'll get laid next time you see her, if you liked her enough to see her again. And, if not, no big deal. It wasn't meant to be. I don't sweat sex anymore, now that I know I can get it with regularity. Sure, I like getting laid, and I don't like the blue balls that follow a close but unsuccessful attempt at getting laid, but there will be more chances in the future...and the s… | /r/seduction | 06/05/11 08:16 AM |
| 2 | Challenge: Bust the "certain type of girl" mythVin DiCarlo loves complexity. He has a complicated system for everything. I don't know that he's just making shit up, but I do think the complexity is unnecessary and mostly good for selling books/videos/workshops rather than a useful tool. Pandora's Box is like his escalation ladder: good idea, but an incredibly overly complex execution that prevents it from being all that useful in the field. | /r/seduction | 06/05/11 04:05 AM |
| 1 | Update > Need advice: she does not have a couch ... (what do i answer?)You're still not really getting it, despite many people explaining this fact in your previous post. You cannot build attraction with text. You can't effectively use innuendo. The medium is simply too limited. Text is for setting up dates, not for arranging sex. Do not expect going sexual via text, when there has been no prior sex or clear indication of sex from her, to have good results. It can't. It's weak, at best, and creepy, at worst. Don't be weak or creepy. It's bad game. When you see her … | /r/seduction | 05/05/11 11:50 PM |
| 4 | Common misconceptions about PUA, share them.Honestly, when I first started reading reddit/r/seduction I was very sad because it merely confirmed my fears that most people out there just want to hurt me. I find this very surprising. I rarely see things on seddit that I would be uncomfortable with girlfriends or female friends seeing or discussing with me. But, I assume there must actually be something offensive here; you can't all be imagining it (the top-rated thread right now, referenced by OP, is a guy berating all us sedditors for bein… | /r/seduction | 05/05/11 09:06 PM |
| 5 | I've been thinking this for a long time but I haven't gotten around to posting it.sidebar links to posts that specifically state you guys aren't about gaining confidence and that you should do so before you join the community I doubt that. I wrote a significant portion of the stuff in the sidebar, and I certainly don't recall writing anything about seddit not being about gaining confidence. Get specific: What link in the sidebar gave you that idea? in doing so you inherit many negative traits and might just cripple yourself in the future. Honestly, I'm pretty sure you haven't… | /r/seduction | 05/05/11 06:16 PM |
| 2 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsThere hasn't been a lot of gay-oriented pickup discussion here, but I have personally noticed that gay guys respond very similarly to women to most pickup techniques (I'm not gay, but I game everyone, including guys, and gay folks wander into my monkeysphere quite frequently, since I live mostly in big cities with active subcultures). I suspect seduction as we discuss it here works better for gay men than it would for straight women, even though the sex of the targets is the same. You might find… | /r/seduction | 05/05/11 06:09 PM |
| 2 | MomentumI'm not sure he's talking about momentum with a specific girl. I thought he was talking about momentum in his game...once you get past the AA and get lots of approaches happening, they get easier and easier and your circle of people you know at the bar gets bigger. It's hard to start all over a week later, build your motivation up, and start approaching total strangers again. Maybe OP will clarify which of those circumstances he's talking about. I guess either one is worth discussing, though. | /r/seduction | 04/05/11 10:09 PM |
| 2 | Alphas don't give a shit, right?His only sin is he's got one-itis, has low self-esteem, and no clue how to be alpha. Most folks here have no clue how to be alpha, and a lot of folks have low self esteem. That's who we're trying to help here, you know? Your comment didn't get a rise out of me. I just didn't find it to be a valuable contribution to the discussion, and I explained why. | /r/seduction | 04/05/11 05:48 PM |
| 2 | Alphas don't give a shit, right?You're focused too much on this girl. You do give a fuck, and that's why you're failing with her. You need to be bringing other girls into this circle of friends. Alphas have options. If you wanted to get this one, you'd run jealousy game instead of "following her around like a goofy puppy" game. Don't get me wrong, people are picking on you for being immature, or whatever, and you are, but not because you're playing with her in this way. Playing like you're a kid, every now and then, is absolut… | /r/seduction | 04/05/11 05:43 PM |
| 2 | Alphas don't give a shit, right?The point is the same as that of all field reports: To help the guy posting the field report get better, and to give the guys reading the field report a chance to think through what they would do in similar circumstances. Field reports are not supposed to be "examples of great game", they are supposed to be post mission debriefings, where you can discuss your experiences with peers. Sometimes they'll contain examples of great game, sometimes they'll contain examples of bad game. If you don't lik… | /r/seduction | 04/05/11 05:32 PM |
| 4 | [FR] A Barrage of Lies ===> Great SexMost of these border on the little white lies everyone tells for social lubrication...You have made no claims of being her one-and-only. You've made no promises of a future together (in fact, you made it clear there was none). Those are the lies I consider verboten and particularly evil. Leading a woman on is one thing, telling her people you just met are friends is altogether different. The Peace Corps thing is laying it on a little thick, and I'd never go that route; I'm pretty much truthful a… | /r/seduction | 04/05/11 07:21 AM |
| 3 | [FR] First FR and sarge!Reframe the problem. If you don't see how to make out with a girl here, you figure out how to get her there where you can see how to make out with her. Maybe you'd make plans to meet up with her alone later, but maybe you could pull it off immediately if you get a tiny bit of isolation so you can do a venue change to somewhere more private with just her. Perhaps you'd corner her in the pool with a cheeky grin and strong eye contact, but not go for the kiss that she's expecting. Maybe you'd drop … | /r/seduction | 04/05/11 07:07 AM |
| 3 | [FR] First FR and sarge!First up, congratulations. It's hard to start approaching girls. The first step is the hardest for most guys, so you're probably over the biggest hurdle (though you'll have to fight through AA again in the future...in my experience it never really goes away). You don't realize it, but you're at least halfway to getting some girls. Approaching increases your odds by an outrageous amount. Some thoughts: Be more real. Keep in mind that the routines are for you, not the girls. The routines don't bui… | /r/seduction | 04/05/11 12:25 AM |
| 2 | For those of you that write a lot of stuff...There's no need to be rude intj. Drop it. I thought I was being extremely polite, given the circumstances. I have no motivation to be friendly to people pushing their products on seddit (or having their "friends" push their products on seddit, as the case may be). There's no benefit to me in doing so, if I want a seddit that is free of commercial bullshit. You're here because seddit is 22,529 eager marks. Nothing I can say, and no matter how "rudely" I say it, to you will alter the fact that 22,… | /r/seduction | 03/05/11 10:13 PM |
| 2 | For those of you that write a lot of stuff...I believe a community is more valuable to men trying to overcome this problem than a coach. I may be wrong, and I certainly don't have a problem with you doing whatever you want to do (elsewhere), but what I want from seddit is a community, not a bunch of commercials. I've come across this argument before and find it interesting, people seem to think that if something can be done for free then anyone trying to earn money from it is inherently immoral. These are not my words or my thoughts. I can… | /r/seduction | 03/05/11 09:48 PM |
| 0 | For those of you that write a lot of stuff...With respect, I take great offence to the automatic assumption that I'm immoral. Life is hard sometimes, and sometimes we get our feelings hurt. I don't care what you do on your forums. I just never want to see commercial stuff on seddit. We got along just fine here before the pickup experts started showing up and showcasing their wares. I'm not always in the majority on this position, and I may even be in the minority these days. Seems like slick sales guys can woo the masses pretty easily now … | /r/seduction | 03/05/11 09:28 PM |
| 2 | For those of you that write a lot of stuff...Probably not. I don't think it should be a business; I think it better serves men when it is a community. He should certainly feel free to do anything he wants and charge anything he wants, as long as he does it on his own forums. But, I don't want to participate in that side of the seduction world, and I don't want it encroaching on the community-driven side of the seduction world. I consider seddit part of the community rather than profit-driven, and I hate it when the for-profit elements find… | /r/seduction | 03/05/11 09:16 PM |
| 1 | Help me with a spot of ASDWe've discussed this ad nauseam here. Text is not for building attraction, and definitely not for escalation. Going sexual via text is not bold, it is weak. Going sexual in person is bold. Text is how you setup dates. If you're chattering away like a 12 year old girl (a dirty 12 year old girl, in this case) you're not building attraction, you're breaking it. So, stop texting her so much, and you won't be tempted to say stupid shit or escalate via text. | /r/seduction | 03/05/11 09:09 PM |
| 3 | For those of you that write a lot of stuff...I'm deeply opposed to the for-profit wing of the "community", and I downvote pretty much anything that is profit-driven. I don't usually have this aversion, but when it comes to seduction and pickup, the profit-motivation fucks things up. Guys who really need this stuff are desperate, and I don't like industries that prey on desperate people, and the seduction industry is among the worst; they use the tricks of the trade to seduce the men they're supposed to be helping into spending more and mor… | /r/seduction | 03/05/11 09:00 PM |
| 2 | Where's cheddarchexmix been?Seddit has, unfortunately, devolved into a circlejerk of keyboard jockies in a lot of discussions. I'm frequently disappointed at what gets upvoted and what gets downvoted. I don't know what, if anything can be done about it, but if people were downvoting cheddar (who is among the most polite and thoughtful sedditors, while also having obviously good game and some experience in the field), I reckon it's just one more symptom of the problem. Anyway, I've missed cheddar since my return a few weeks… | /r/seduction | 03/05/11 07:09 AM |
| 2 | Beginners/AFCs: You're presented with a choiceI rarely drink when I go out. It's entirely possible to have fun without alcohol, and it helps your game to be fully aware of your surroundings and social cues. Also, you can meet women anywhere...bars are just one option of many. I talked to a girl at Walmart today while buying paper towels, and another in the frozen foods section. | /r/seduction | 02/05/11 08:26 AM |
| 2 | Did something last night I never thought I could do. Guys, this shit works. [FR-1]No. I was agreeing with you. I should have said, "I also prefer not to cover my ass." to make that more clear. Sometimes stream of thought commenting isn't always full of clarity. | /r/seduction | 02/05/11 02:13 AM |
| 3 | Did something last night I never thought I could do. Guys, this shit works. [FR-1]I don't like covering my ass. It feels beta. I just go for it, when it feels right, maybe saying, "I'm gonna kiss you now." If she turns her head, I say with a smirk, "No? OK." and move on like it never happened. At least 75% of the time, she ends up in my bed that night or on the next date, anyway. | /r/seduction | 01/05/11 10:39 PM |
| 1 | How do I run Game in a 2000 person community without getting a bad rep?When you start to have some success, keep your mouth shut about the girls you're hooking up with. Establish a pattern of discretion, and you'll be pleasantly surprised by the results. | /r/seduction | 01/05/11 04:12 AM |
| 1 | [FR] – HB 8.5+ opens Kumar to use to make ex boyfriend jealous. Kumar hooks HB 8.5 - Make out + # closeGoogle fanboy. ;) Good luck. | /r/seduction | 29/04/11 11:30 PM |
| 2 | [FR] – HB 8.5+ opens Kumar to use to make ex boyfriend jealous. Kumar hooks HB 8.5 - Make out + # closeOld Pro, huh? So, do you work at Google or Facebook? | /r/seduction | 29/04/11 09:00 PM |
| 2 | [Mini-FR] How'd I do on shit testsYour response to the girl offering to buy you a drink was reactive. As with compliments, you should just accept it with a "Thanks." And then change the subject. It's not a big deal to you when a girl buys you a drink...happens all the time. It it's a shit test, it is a very subtle one...and your response should be subtle, as well. It shows social grace to be able to handle it without making it a big deal. Sounds like you're over-compensating for being a nice guy by becoming kind of an asshole (w… | /r/seduction | 29/04/11 06:32 PM |
| 1 | Quite possibly the saddest female FR everYour game is weak. Luckily, you know it...so you'll do better next time. This is how we get better...we try, and fail, and we try again. Some tips: Be less available. When in doubt, be less responsive, rather than more. Men love a chase, so you give them one (the same is true for men pursuing women; it's a two way street, in the best relationships there is a constant back and forth). Work on your attitude of abundance. There are millions of dudes. A lot of them want to fuck you. Keep it in mind.… | /r/seduction | 29/04/11 02:27 AM |
| 1 | Avoiding buying girls dinner, help?First date: Drinks, coffee, pool, bowling, etc. I pay or swap rounds, whatever seems to fit the mood; I tend to buy first round, and give her a chance to buy second if she's so inclined (if things are going well, she'll tend to do so to keep me around). No big deal. It's always cheap, always has an escape clause an hour or two in, and allows for switching venues if things are going well. Second date: Cooking together or pizza at my place, movie, Rock Band, sex, etc. I don't do dinner out dates u… | /r/seduction | 29/04/11 01:22 AM |
| 1 | Anyone with experience in the more iffy Thai nightlife?Anything that prevents these girls from getting a paying customer that night is, to me, an unethical action. I'm not gonna get all White Knight on you about it; it's your thing. But, the fact is, these girls aren't doing what they do for fun. They aren't "hired guns" in the traditional sense found in US bars and clubs and such...they are desperate women trying to support families or children. Even strippers in the US are rarely actually down on their luck in any significant way. But, the girls w… | /r/seduction | 28/04/11 07:57 AM |
| 1 | Anyone with experience in the more iffy Thai nightlife?I would encourage you to watch this, and this, before embarking on this adventure. Think about whether what you're doing is ethical. And, if that doesn't convince you, pay attention to the discussion of the dude with the wart-covered dick. The girl is still expected to fuck him...know what that means? You're going to be exposed to STDs, because the girls are not allowed to take care of their sexual health and keep their jobs. | /r/seduction | 28/04/11 04:10 AM |
| 1 | Girl coming over for dinner tonight: Ideal way to get laid?Dinner at my place is my favorite kind of date, and I've talked about it before. | /r/seduction | 27/04/11 08:47 PM |
| 1 | Alright, enough of this HB nonsense. Here's the best way to discreetly "rank" the other sexLet's not do this again. Please? | /r/seduction | 27/04/11 07:15 PM |
| 3 | Need advice: she does not have a couch ... (what do i answer?)I don't like escalation via text; sexual teasing via text after you've escalated physically and in person is fine. It sounds like you haven't escalated at a good pace, so far, so springing this via text is probably bad mojo, though I'm not seeing good alternatives, since you've painted yourself into a corner where you've gone on dates without escalating properly. So, I don't know what to do with this one. I think your response has about 50% odds of going poorly, but I don't have anything better … | /r/seduction | 27/04/11 07:12 PM |
| 2 | Help a girl decode this guy's behavior?I'm teasing you, for acting like a stereotypical teenage girl. And, I'm making fun of the guy for being surly and acting like Edward in Twilight (which is like totally my favorite movie ever). | /r/seduction | 27/04/11 06:22 AM |
| 2 | Lessons learned from 1st game-driven relationshipYou can relax when you internalize the right mindset and the right behaviors. Until then, you fake it. These days, I'm ridiculously relaxed in my relationships. Fuck buddies, girls I adore, girls I have that crazy thought that she might be "the one", it doesn't matter. When you begin to experience the world as someone that isn't surprised by female attention, you can relax and enjoy yourself. But, there are things you should never do again...and expecting a girl to be your emotional tampon is de… | /r/seduction | 27/04/11 03:07 AM |
| 4 | Lessons learned from 1st game-driven relationshipYou talked about whether a woman should "approve of a man, shouldn't understand her man, or want him to open up to her or please her", and I made no comments on what women should or should not do. I cannot control what women think or do. I can only control my side of the relationship; and OP can only control his side of the relationship, not what his girl thinks or does. What you want to be true about relationships, and what is true, may be two very different things. We talk about ways to be mor… | /r/seduction | 27/04/11 02:59 AM |
| 8 | Help a girl decode this guy's behavior?Watch out! That guy's totally a vampire! You should go with that other guy...the one that spends so much time in the woods, and likes working on motorcycles. | /r/seduction | 27/04/11 12:55 AM |
| 4 | Lessons learned from 1st game-driven relationship65 now. Either the system is horribly broken now that we've reached 22+k sedditors, or we've been invaded. In either case, I've seen it happen a couple of times now just in the past week. It's worrisome when bad advice consistently rises to the top; it takes the educational value away from the place...people who know it's bad advice can ignore it, but the people who need the most help will have trouble deciphering the white knight bullshit from reality. | /r/seduction | 27/04/11 12:29 AM |
| 6 | Lessons learned from 1st game-driven relationshipAw, I made a new friend. | /r/seduction | 26/04/11 11:47 PM |
| 4 | Lessons learned from 1st game-driven relationshipI didn't say any of the words you just said. Game is fun. If it's not fun for both parties, you're doing it wrong. | /r/seduction | 26/04/11 11:42 PM |
| 7 | Lessons learned from 1st game-driven relationshipWhen does the girl stop testing you? Never. What makes you think they ever would? It's how women are wired up. They need to know you're strong, and can take care of her. She can't test you by beating you up and seeing you can fight back (because 90% of women are weaker than 90% of men)...so she uses Jedi mind tricks to suss out your suitability. I think projecting self confidence is enough It is. Where did you get the idea that anyone in seddit was suggesting anything other than being confident?… | /r/seduction | 26/04/11 06:09 PM |
| 21 | Lessons learned from 1st game-driven relationshipWhere'd this crazy lady come from? Here's the deal: Attraction is required for all stages of a relationship, as OP found out the hard way. You stop gaming, you lose attraction. All this bullshit about game being for only one night stands and fuck buddies is the work of angry hens clucking about the rooster figuring out how to get into the henhouse. Game every girl, especially the one you want to keep. Also, fucking newbs please stop voting up bullshit like this. If you don't know enough to know … | /r/seduction | 26/04/11 06:04 PM |
| 2 | Asked coworker out... she flaked, but won't stop flirting with me.Women are never "uncomfortable with moving so fast", if things are fun and feel safe, and you aren't being needy. They may put the brakes on when you escalate toward sex, but that's a completely different thing. I think there's a different problem here, but your question doesn't give us any way to spot it. You think you know enough to know what the possibilities are, but I suspect you're missing clues about what she's really thinking. Doesn't matter, though. Girls who flake should get your stand… | /r/seduction | 26/04/11 12:57 AM |
| 3 | The Importance of TanningTanning booths do not look "fake" because they are not fake. You are actually tanning. They are, however, probably a lot more dangerous than the sun. Get out of the house and do some stuff in the sun. That'll warm up your skin tone a bit, and give you some exercise, which is also good for your appearance. I go tubing, hiking, biking, kayaking, walking with my dog, etc., and I do something outside every day, even if only for 20 minutes. I don't think I've ever noticed any big difference in my pic… | /r/seduction | 25/04/11 11:21 PM |
| 5 | Is using your business card a good way to give to your number to a woman?No! I've seen this go down several times, and it is pretty much never good. Here's why it's bad: Girls never call. If you give her your number, and you don't have her number, she will never call, and you will never get the girl. When a girl asks for your number rather than giving your hers, it is a polite "no". Move on, as you're not getting that girl anyway. Your business card is boring. No matter how awesome you think you and your business are, it is boring to anyone who not inside that indust… | /r/seduction | 25/04/11 06:44 PM |
| 6 | This Changed My Game Forever502 it went through 504 try once more | /r/seduction | 25/04/11 05:54 PM |
| 1 | (I'm a girl) Heads up to all you shy guys!!do you mean that, even if the guy was wayy out of your league, you would still give him a chance to impress you with his outlook, and possibly get your number? Whoah! Hold on now. Girls should be nice when guys get up the guts to approach. But that's as far as it goes. She isn't obligated to "give you a chance to impress" her. There are two people in the conversation, and she may have shit to do, may have a boyfriend waiting at home, may be gay, etc. The point of her statement is that girls are … | /r/seduction | 24/04/11 05:53 PM |
| 2 | [FR] An accidental seductionWe're all retarded sometimes. You may note that I made two mistakes that could have easily led to me not getting laid that night. Most girls are not aggressive enough to come knock on your door after you've ignored their earlier subtle cues. I'd guess that 90% of girls would have gone to bed horny rather than knocking on my door. Hell, I rarely have the kind of guts that takes. | /r/seduction | 23/04/11 09:56 PM |
| 4 | What's the deal with the rest of reddit?In the past, I occasionally tried linking to seddit or to specific seddit discussions, when there was a particularly egregious example of "forever alone", but the downvotes, and vicious attacks those comments received, sometimes from the very people I was trying to help, were enough to convince me to mostly stop (I'll still mention seddit in sexxit, because it's a bit more open-minded about such things, generally, and there are enough of us sedditors over there to keep it somewhat fair even when… | /r/seduction | 21/04/11 01:25 AM |
| 1 | Who is your best fictionalized PUA role-model?Can't believe anyone would vote this down. Tao of Steve is a fantastic movie for pickup and seduction, and you could do much worse than following the three rules of being Steve. | /r/seduction | 20/04/11 09:04 PM |
| 3 | Who is your best fictionalized PUA role-model?Magnolia. Respect the cock! | /r/seduction | 20/04/11 09:03 PM |
| 8 | [FR] Biggest fucking curveball I've ever gotten. Need quick response. She tells me she wants to hang out with her friends after our date??You sound very reactive, to me. For a first date, you should be thinking about how to escape early, just in case she's lame/fat/annoying/smelly/whatever. You should be building an early ending into the date from the get-go. The fact that you're making a big deal about spending a specific (and large) amount of time with her on a first date is scary, especially for a girl you met online. I always frame first dates with girls I don't know well in terms of "I'm going to be in X area. Meet me for a d… | /r/seduction | 17/04/11 08:01 AM |
| 3 | Thank you seddit for the help, what do I do next?Never like shit on facebook, especially for girls that are being aloof (but never means never, IMHO). That whole "respectful" thing is bullshit (both from a game perspective and from a being a good human being perspective). That was a mistake. It's dishonest, for starters, since you wanted to bang her from the very beginning. Once she realized you were just biding your time before pouncing her while she was drunk, she kinda felt used. I don't blame her. You think you were being a Nice Guy, but y… | /r/seduction | 15/04/11 09:22 PM |
| 3 | Cellphone/text/chat game pointers?I'm feeling about 50/50 on this advice. Overall, it's mostly reasonable, but I think you're also too wordy. The advice of "should never be less than 5 words" feels wrong to me. Talking too much seems to be the biggest source of failure for most guys who post their text/IM fail reports. Your theory that "you want her reading carefully and thinking about you" seems like a hard-to-prove hypothesis, and I suspect it's wrong. When you type too much, it can appear as though you're way too into her, wa… | /r/seduction | 15/04/11 08:41 PM |
| 15 | Help! My fricken Dick wont work!This is a question for /r/sex, not /r/seduction. But, I'm guessing she's more alpha than you. There was an article here a couple of days ago about the impact of feminism and strong women on hetero relationships. Maybe you need to talk to her about it, rather than us. Or, maybe you need to up the ante on your alpha in the bedroom. Going caveman might be helpful. It's all psychological, anyway, and it happens to everyone eventually. | /r/seduction | 15/04/11 07:49 PM |
| 2 | Help! My fricken Dick wont work!The retard alarm went off loudly when I read this, as well. By my reckoning, he asked her out about a week too late. | /r/seduction | 15/04/11 07:45 PM |
| 21 | I dont think some sedditors would see the IOIs in thisSo, umm...chicks at events like that are paid to flirt with everyone, especially guys with camera crews. That's not to say they aren't IOIs, it's just to say that this is an artificial environment, and everything you see should be processed with the awareness of that artificiality. | /r/seduction | 14/04/11 08:58 PM |
| 32 | What to do in the seconds after you're denied a kiss?"No? OK." with a smirk...then change the subject. It's only a big deal if you make it a big deal. | /r/seduction | 14/04/11 05:49 PM |
| 7 | From the guys that brought you Penis Pickup: Internet Meme pickupThat's true, too; there is value in seeing rejection and understanding that it doesn't kill you and it doesn't mean anything (the guy who seemed to be doing the worst in most of these also did the best, with the hippy chick wanting to jump his bones right then and there, but settling for an insta-date). But, I was just surprised by how aggressively some of the approaches failed. I rarely see that level of "leave me alone-itude" from my approaches...and I'm pretty sure I'm not significantly smoot… | /r/seduction | 13/04/11 07:23 AM |
| 46 | From the guys that brought you Penis Pickup: Internet Meme pickupThese guys are awesome and bold and seemingly fearless, but I will note that a huge number of these meme openers did not catch at all. I mean, chicks were running away in some cases. So, I think we can take from this what we probably already suspected: Spending more time on reddit may not be the best way to improve our game. Funnily enough, a couple of those were reddit-specific memes. We know they're redditors, are they also sedditors? If not, they should be. I'd certainly enjoy having them aro… | /r/seduction | 13/04/11 05:00 AM |
| 1 | Tips on Teasing and JokingThis made me chuckle. I hate facebook, but I'm totally using this. | /r/seduction | 13/04/11 04:55 AM |
| 1 | I know one-itis is a bad thing on this subreddit, but this is something I have to do. Can you guys help?It's the first question in the FAQ! | /r/seduction | 13/04/11 04:48 AM |
| 2 | Tips on Teasing and JokingHe obviously has tested this stuff. And it is money. | /r/seduction | 13/04/11 02:44 AM |
| 6 | Tips on Teasing and JokingTeasing is a great way to escalate kino, and he's even gotten the girl escalating on him. Flipping the script is money. | /r/seduction | 13/04/11 02:42 AM |
| 21 | Tips on Teasing and JokingThings have obviously gotten out of hand around here if this is the best rated comment in the thread. Where the fuck did all you people who've never been in the field come from? And why do you think you have the right to vote shit like this up? Teasing is money. Teasing works on smart girls, old girls, young girls, slutty girls, and stuck up girls. It works on rich girls, poor girls, white girls, black girls, fat girls, skinny girls, and girls with one leg. Teasing is a fundamental tenet upon wh… | /r/seduction | 13/04/11 02:41 AM |
| 2 | [FR] I quit drinking alcohol and switched to Red Bull. Best move I've ever made.If you need a drug (whether it's alcohol or all the crazy shit that's in Red Bull) in order to talk to girls, that is a problem to work on, it is not a technique. I'm all for stopping alcohol if it hurts your game (and it probably does for most people, once they have beaten AA enough to approach through the fear), but I don't see why it needs to be replaced with a different drug. I should make clear, I'm not opposed to drug use in general, if that's what floats your boat. But someday, the perfec… | /r/seduction | 13/04/11 02:27 AM |
| 1 | Just some general male advice you guys might find interesting.I'm pretty sure it's both. | /r/seduction | 12/04/11 04:42 PM |
| 11 | Just some general male advice you guys might find interesting.Because 11 year old boys love looking at titties. What's that got to do with the discussion at hand? | /r/seduction | 12/04/11 04:21 PM |
| 9 | Need a witty comeback for when a girl playfully says "Don't tell me what to do!"Depends on the context. How well do you know her? Regardless, this is a pretty standard shit test, though it's a very mild one if it's said playfully. She's just testing your mettle, and whether you can play at her level and keep her entertained and tingling with excitement. You should respond playfully and cockily. Here's the kind of response I'd give: "Alright. You the boss darlin'." Then smack her on the ass, with a grin, and maybe follow up with a salute. (Presumes you have already gotten a … | /r/seduction | 11/04/11 10:35 PM |
| 9 | Share some seduction gems and tricks from this past month!Yeah, you're probably right. Better stay home and look at pictures of cats on the internet instead. | /r/seduction | 11/04/11 06:39 PM |
| 1 | Transitioning from night game to day game... how do you guys do it?"Day game" generally refers to meeting women during the day...like at the grocery, gym, mall, beach, whatever. But, to answer your question about what to do to keep her coming back: Do less. Use the number to text her to setup the day 2. Maybe send her a joke the same night or next day after you met her. But, don't chatter on like a 12 year old girl. You're busy, you have shit to do. You can't really build attraction via text or phone, so just use it to setup dates, where you can build attractio… | /r/seduction | 11/04/11 05:24 PM |
| 2 | Need a little help. Name me a couple good date flicks. Movies women would enjoy watching.Amelie is a lovely film, but it's not an ideal first date movie. If the girl doesn't speak French, she'll be watching subtitles all night, because it is a great film, and if she hasn't seen it a dozen times (I have), she'll want to know what's going on. | /r/seduction | 11/04/11 04:06 PM |
| 2 | Seduction for Ethnic GirlsI am indian and kino escalation has backfired when i tried it a week after knowing a girl. You waited too long. Surprise kino after a week of no contact will always backfire. | /r/seduction | 11/04/11 04:04 PM |
| 1 | How to Leave Him Wanting More?Then we're probably not the best people to ask. We're about helping people get laid. You don't want to get laid, and if you did, I suspect it would have the opposite effect of what you want (he'd feel like seduced you one last time, which will make him feel like a boss, and you'll probably feel like crap). But, I'll mention the times I've had twinges of regret about breaking up with girls: She looked hot, and was walking like she meant it. Hips are powerful motivators to the male psyche. So put … | /r/seduction | 11/04/11 03:01 AM |
| 2 | How to Leave Him Wanting More?I don't think I grok what you want out of this. Do you want him back? Do you just want an ego boost for when you find the next guy? Are you wanting closure? Do you want one last bang for old time sake? All of these things require a different approach, and you need to know what you want before you choose how to act. One of the core facets of game is knowing what you want and being willing to go after it. If you are unsure of your desires, you're very unlikely to get the girl/guy. So, you need to … | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 11:53 PM |
| 25 | Fake it til you make it.Many religious orders have a basic tenet of, "live as though you are the person you wish you were, rather than the person you are". Basically, the idea is that even though you have doubts about your faith or about whether you're a good enough person or whether you're awesome enough to lay an HB10, if you act as a person who has strong faith or someone who is infallibly good, or a person who can talk to any woman, you will become that person. It may take years...but, eventually, living as though … | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 11:46 PM |
| 6 | Dating multiple women?Do any of them believe you are being monogamous and not seeing other women? And, by that, I don't mean merely, "We've never talked about being monogamous or commitment." I mean, do they believe you are monogamous, even though you've never said you are? Would they be pissed if they heard through the grapevine that you were out with another woman? If you can honestly answer "no" to all of those things, then you're doing nothing wrong. If, on the other hand, any of these women believes there is a m… | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 11:00 PM |
| 2 | what to do after using a pick-up line?I don't think this knowledge changes my opinion, but let us know how it turns out in your field report after the meeting. More data is always good. | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 10:02 PM |
| 1 | Been single 4 years, could use a little advice...Excellent analysis. This is one of the girls you pass on. Spend your time elsewhere. Any one of these factors is not a dealbreaker, but when you combine them all, you've got a recipe for stupid drama, wasted time/effort, and possibly an ass-kicking (sounds like boyfriend might be the fighting type). If she just had a kid, that'd be fine. Just don't put yourself into the kids life if you're not going to be around for a long time...having men who take on a father-figure sort of role and then disap… | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 09:28 PM |
| 7 | what to do after using a pick-up line?You probably shouldn't use pickup lines. And, if you do, they should be so bad they're good, and used cheekily. I'm not sure if this one crosses that line, or if you've got the cockiness to pull it off. This also looks try-hard, specifically because you've gone to the trouble to ask about her and find out what she's studying. This is a mistake. The more effort you put forth in preparation for talking to her, the more beta you look and the more you elevate her and devalue yourself. In fact, now t… | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 06:32 PM |
| 2 | Guys, how would you react to a girl being "alpha?"You're going to find a lot of disagreement on this topic, but I think it's important to realize that "alpha" is kind of a shorthand way to describe a lot of traits, and is not any one specific behavior. Most of the traits we use the term to describe are positive in anyone, male or female. Confidence is sexy in everyone. Always. But, the cockiness that men familiar with seduction cultivate might not be the ideal form of confidence for a woman gaming men. You may note that men who see cocky men hi… | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 05:38 PM |
| 4 | Powering through a Jesus cockblock? Or is this something else?This is not one-itis (since he's dating other girls) but I agree with you that the "Missing me yet?" text is the point at which things ended completely, though he'd already set it up for failure from the beginning, because of mistakes he made along the way. He made this look like an "I want to be your boyfriend" process, and then right when she decides to get frisky with him, he drops the "I don't want to be your boyfriend" bomb. This was a mistake, and a broken frame situation...he comes off as… | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 05:17 PM |
| 11 | [FR] Bowling is just fucking goldenPool/Billiards promotes much much better kino in comparison. Not better, just different. I like bowling better for dates...it's a more physical game, and promotes more movement and less thought and concentration. DAE think that "LOSER MCLOSINGTONS" is a tad immature? Immaturity is funny sometimes. It also shows you're not worried about looking cool, or whatever. And, of course, playful teasing is great game. | /r/seduction | 10/04/11 02:24 PM |
| 1 | Buying drinks for girlsThis has not only been done to death, it's been done one day before your post. Seriously. Search first. http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/gkw62/buying_girls_drinks/ | /r/seduction | 09/04/11 10:50 PM |
| 5 | Why can't I do this...Practice is the only cure. There is nothing magical we can tell you to fix this problem. Start talking to people every day. If you don't know what to say, just say, "Hey, how's it going?" And then listen to their reply. Sometimes they'll say something you can bounce off of. Sometimes they won't. Doesn't matter, you're practicing. Eventually you'll find ways to leverage anything (including just "Hi!") into a conversation. You cannot go from severely introverted to extroverted overnight. You can't… | /r/seduction | 09/04/11 10:41 PM |
| 15 | My First [FR] having fun on OkCupid.That chick has game. Yours is a bit lacking, but she's making up for it. She's teasing more than you are...step it up, brother! But, you got the digits and probably the first date, so you obviously did alright. | /r/seduction | 09/04/11 06:38 PM |
| 1 | [FR] Greek Girl, Part 3It could be. If donuts or bagels have similar effect on you, then yes. That's what it is. Beer is about as close to drinking a bagel as you can get. If I have pancakes for breakfast, I'm good for nothing all day. Likewise, if I have a few beers at night, I just want to lay down and rest. I suppose it has to do with my bodies insulinemic response to sugars. Maybe. Fruit, even very sweet fruit like watermelon or grapes, does not have the same effect, for whatever reason. And, thanks for the welcom… | /r/seduction | 09/04/11 12:18 AM |
| 1 | Why is it ok to run game on girls with boyfriends?The abusive shitty asshole boyfriends also tend to create a grip on the woman, where she won't cheat. Co-dependence is a whole other kettle of fish. I'm assuming reasonable sanity on the part of all parties involved. But, even in codependent relationships, at some point, usually around about the point where she starts going out with friends every weekend night trawling for men (whether she calls it "girls night" or "I just want to dance, why are all these men hitting on me, gosh!"), most women w… | /r/seduction | 08/04/11 04:56 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Greek Girl, Part 3Wow. You have really bad taste in music. But, your game is pretty good. Sounds like you're teasing her just the right amount (which is usually a lot). If booze hurts your game, cut it out. You may be sensitive to the simple carbs...I get dozy on beer, for instance. Hard liquor and dry wine doesn't hit me the same way. Also, work on your musical taste. It really is atrocious. Obviously, not all girls will notice, but someday you'll meet a smart girl. | /r/seduction | 08/04/11 05:26 AM |
| 2 | TofuTofu: You need to record the audio of yourself on one of your nights out.You could do worse. But, you could also do better (Tao of Steve is pretty good). | /r/seduction | 08/04/11 05:12 AM |
| 2 | When to ask? Where to go?Limiting beliefs. You has them. But, if you're cool with taking it slow, that's fine. Just make sure you're not overly chaste. The friend zone always lurks just around the corner, if you take it too slow. | /r/seduction | 08/04/11 05:02 AM |
| 1 | An open request to TofuTofuThanks. I come and I go. I travel all the time, so I'm not the most consistent contributor. But, I should be around for the next few weeks. Gotta catch up on my game again, now that I'm back in a city with loads of cute girls. | /r/seduction | 08/04/11 12:47 AM |
| 4 | When to ask? Where to go?Wrong order. Don't go to your place, and then back out. That all but guarantees you don't have sex that night. Bowl, then bowl. If you end the night at your place, a large percentage of the things that will prevent you from having sex are removed. But, if you end the night out at a crowded bowling alley, you all but guarantee a chaste goodnight kiss or hug and you go your separate ways (or you drop her off at her place). Once you have attraction more than 50% of game is logistics. | /r/seduction | 08/04/11 12:44 AM |
| 3 | When to ask? Where to go?So should I ask her in person between classes to hang out? Yes, dipwad. Ask her out, already. 2-3 weeks is a long time to wait. An insta-date next time you see her is the absolute best possible choice. Texting for a meetup is barely half as good as an insta-date. But, you must make some kind of move, or the attraction will turn to friendship (it's probably already trending that way). Bowling is fine, walk in the park after class is fine, watching a movie at your place is fine, checking out a pro… | /r/seduction | 08/04/11 12:18 AM |
| 3 | An open request to TofuTofuBy all means I think he's also a redditor. You must be new here. TofuTofu was a sedditor (and redditor under a different nick) long before he was a mod, and he was nominated by a large number of sedditors to the role of moderator. He was drafted, he was not campaigning for the role. | /r/seduction | 08/04/11 12:09 AM |
| 8 | Why is it ok to run game on girls with boyfriends?This has been discussed ad nauseum. But, I guess we'll do it one more time. I guess your premise is that women do not have minds of their own? Women can't say "no" to your advances? They can't say, "Sorry, I have a boyfriend"? And follow up with "Seriously, I'm in a relationship" if the guy takes it as a shit test (which sometimes it is). I don't go after married women, because I don't want that kinda drama in my life. Likewise girls dating friends of mine. I'm not really a "bros before hos" kin… | /r/seduction | 07/04/11 11:51 PM |
| 6 | Girl I have known for about 4 years is really flirty but I think she has no interestStop being retarded. Don't ask us what she wants you to do. We don't know, and neither do you. Escalate until you get a definitive answer. And if the answer is "no", but not "No!", back off and escalate again, until you get a definitive yes or no. | /r/seduction | 07/04/11 09:20 PM |
| 2 | What are people's opinions on Barney from How I Met Your Mother?Don't even ask or tell them, just do it when they walk away for a while; no need to force it to happen, but if you find yourself in a new set that's going well while your friend is away, it's something funny you can do. It's even funnier if they have no idea WTF is going on. They won't get laid if they don't know how to play off such a thing, but you'll get a good laugh out of it, and so will everyone else. One of my favorite wings plays it beautifully. He'll either play up how weird it is that … | /r/seduction | 07/04/11 09:17 PM |
| 9 | Buying girls drinks...Yes. You don't need to wonder. Feynman's theory of pickup is a little rough around the edges, and unrefined, but it's inarguable fact, and you'll never find anyone here telling you to buy strangers drinks as an opening, unless they're trolling. You really don't need to keep asking for confirmation. Generally speaking, you should not buy drinks for girls you don't know. I don't avoid paying on dates, if I invite them out, though I'm much more likely to trade off buying rounds. But, the notion tha… | /r/seduction | 07/04/11 09:11 PM |
| 15 | What are people's opinions on Barney from How I Met Your Mother?"Have you met Ted?" is right out of the PUA canon. Totally acceptable game, if a little well-known at this point. I do it all the time. Many variations of "Have you met Ted?" exist: "Hey, you guys know Ted, right?" Act shocked when they don't, and follow up with, "Are y'all just visiting or something?" Or talk up Ted while he's away at the bar or bathroom, so everybody in the group knows his name when he returns. Make it an inside joke where Ted is the butt of the joke, and get everyone to prete… | /r/seduction | 07/04/11 07:46 PM |
| 1 | Watch this guy (jimmy carr) dominate 4 female talkshow hosts at once...Surprisingly, "somewhat gay" works fine for picking up girls. It's not my thing, as I'm burly and hairy, but I've known several guys who were very successful with women who wore makeup, skinny pants, fancy shoes, etc. Though, Carr comes off as the "maybe British and inbred, or maybe closeted gay" type, which is probably working against him. I suspect he does OK now that he's famous, but I bet he wasn't nearly as successful in the past. | /r/seduction | 06/04/11 10:13 PM |
| 7 | Interesting comment on how a woman would initiate a threesome if she was a man.This chick has game. Though buying shots as the opener is somewhat weak. If you're in a group already doing shots, I guess it's fine, though. | /r/seduction | 19/02/11 12:42 AM |
| 1 | My successful, tested online dating tip: Change profile, try againIt can also mean drug dealer or hustler. Which probably pulls at a good rate. Girls love dangerous men. | /r/seduction | 17/02/11 01:35 AM |
| 2 | Android app, This is not a plug- looking for suggestionsIt wasn't a very good thread, anyway. I don't feel too bad about messing it up. | /r/seduction | 13/02/11 07:16 PM |
| 1 | Android app, This is not a plug- looking for suggestionsNobody is lecturing anyone, but it sounds like you need a little lecturing. You're simply being silly with your "if this is a good idea, it's mine" nonsense, and I pointed that out. A lot of people have had "new" ideas about "social networks", a very few (maybe 0.1% of the people who had ideas) have built a social network, for instance. And only a few of those have ever made any money or gotten any traction, most have lost money, and only one of them (and it was not created by the first person t… | /r/seduction | 12/02/11 06:47 PM |
| 1 | Android app, This is not a plug- looking for suggestionsIdeas have no commercial merit. Literally zero value. Every good entrepreneur has a dozen great ideas every single day (I know a lot of entrepreneurs; it's what I do, and what I've done for 15 years). Only good execution of a good idea has commercial merit. Great execution of a mediocre idea is better than a great idea with poor execution (or no execution, such as just talking about it on the Internet). You know how you're always ranting about knowing about Hollywood, and how nobody here underst… | /r/seduction | 12/02/11 12:27 AM |
| 2 | Is there a way to ask if the girl has stds before we do it without ruining my game? We should have some general STD information on seddit.Dangerous HSV or just cold sore HSV? Doesn't matter. Herpes is herpes. One happens to prefer infecting lips, the other tends to prefer infecting genitals, but either can infect either location. You don't want either, if you can avoid it...but, realistically, you'll probably run into girls who get cold sores at some point, and you won't consider it worth giving up making out with her over the risk. But, neither is "dangerous", per se. Having it won't shorten your life. The worst thing about it is… | /r/seduction | 08/02/11 06:33 AM |
| 1 | How do you counter a jab at being bald?Non-reactive. This is your new mantra. Repeat it slowly as you meditate on its significance to your life. | /r/seduction | 08/02/11 12:54 AM |
| 1 | How do you counter a jab at being bald?There's a cliched response that would probably work here, "Girls, girls, no fighting, there's enough of me to go around." or "Wait your turn, blondie (or "brown eyes" or "cutie" or "sugar" or whatever diminutive little pet name you want to give her), I'm talking to your friend." Which brings to mind the fact that you probably opened the wrong girl...you should be opening the potential cockblocks, and disarming them before you talk to your target. Anyway, you definitely don't want to take her ser… | /r/seduction | 08/02/11 12:53 AM |
| 2 | Is there a way to ask if the girl has stds before we do it without ruining my game? We should have some general STD information on seddit.a girl revealed she had genital herpes after we'd had sex a couple of times did you get HPV? Herpes is HSV; HPV is genital warts and various asymptomatic forms of the virus which may or may not be harmless. And, no. She'd had it for years, and the virus was not active during the times we had protected sex. This was part of why she didn't tell me until after we'd had sex a couple of times...she felt like since she so rarely had an outbreak, it was very low risk. I, obviously, felt betrayed that s… | /r/seduction | 08/02/11 12:08 AM |
| 2 | How do you counter a jab at being bald?"She's not sleeping with you tonight" That's an interesting, and very bold cockblock. I'd love to get that one, though. It'd be funny as hell to probe the depths of it, and probably very easy to disarm. Here's where I'd go: "Really!? Did you guys make a pact before coming out tonight: Don't let me hook up with some asshole, even if he's really cute. I need to understand this process. I should do that with my buddies. I'm always attracted to the crazy ones, kinda like you guys, maybe...the next d… | /r/seduction | 07/02/11 07:58 PM |
| 2 | Hey Seddit: I want to go overseas. Just don't know where. Advice?Then why ask? You already know where you want to go! And, you probably couldn't pick a better place than Eastern Europe, in terms of seduction. The girls there are, perhaps, the most beautiful in the world. Feminine perfection must grow on trees, or something, over there. That said, the languages are many, and difficult to learn. Crime and corruption is high in a lot of places in the region (though, by no means, all, or even most; the US could probably be considered equally rough if you don't kn… | /r/seduction | 07/02/11 07:47 PM |
| 2 | Hey Seddit: I want to go overseas. Just don't know where. Advice?I'm in a similar situation, and I'm going south this year: Mexico, Belize, Costa Rica, etc. The women there are beautiful (if you like brunettes), particularly when you get way down south, the language is one I have an inkling of already due to high school Spanish classes, though I plan to practice a lot in touristy parts of Mexico before going deeper into Spanish-only areas, the cost of travel and living there is reasonable, the weather is great most of the year, the beaches are reportedly amaz… | /r/seduction | 07/02/11 06:58 PM |
| 6 | How do you counter a jab at being bald?Has this actually happened, or are you just giving yourself excuses not to talk to people? I've found that it's very rare for people to actually be rude, as long as your approach is friendly. If someone is actually rude to you, it's well within your rights to be rude back. Depends on context, but, I guess something like, "Good one. Did you think it up yourself? You must be very clever." said in a mildly condescending tone, of course. Avoiding bitterness is vital, however, and shoot for a jovial … | /r/seduction | 07/02/11 06:05 PM |
| 2 | [FR #8] "the possible threesome which I have not yet agreed to..."P.S. do not take tips about women from Chris Rock comedy routines. Can you possibly argue with the advice of "say that shit like a man"? That's probably 90% of what we're trying to teach AFCs here, and a lot of examples and successful field reports are guys talking about how to say that shit like a man. We've all seen your anti-Hollywood, anti-actor, anti-TV, tirades...and I think your anger on the subject is clouding your judgment of what good advice looks like. This post is, completely and utt… | /r/seduction | 07/02/11 06:29 AM |
| 9 | GF has figured out my game and is not pleased ... How do I keep a good thing going?You know the answer already. Though, I would caution, as Throwaway mentioned, that you never explain the power balance, or put her in her place in your conversations. Saying, "No problem, baby, 50/50." or even, "You the boss, darlin'." or "You're the brains of this here operation, I'm just the muscle." is fine...as long as you're still setting the terms of the relationship. Also, there's nothing wrong with opening up, being a sensitive caring sort of boyfriend. But, make no mistake that the kill… | /r/seduction | 07/02/11 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Is there a way to ask if the girl has stds before we do it without ruining my game? We should have some general STD information on seddit.Why are people implying I'm desperate because I brought up this issue? It never happened to me, but I just liked to have a discussion about it. Reactive. That's unattractive. ;) People aren't trying to antagonize or insult you. We're just trying to impart the right attitude, which is one of abundance. An attitude of abundance means that if you want to ask about STDs, you don't worry about what she'll think of you when you do. You just ask; because you're awesome and your awesome brain is curious… | /r/seduction | 07/02/11 05:40 AM |
| 3 | Is there a way to ask if the girl has stds before we do it without ruining my game? We should have some general STD information on seddit.You wanna know what's really bad for your game? Herpes. Don't be afraid to ask. I don't demand testing before sex, but I also don't go after skeezy club girls. If I did, I'd be a lot more paranoid. | /r/seduction | 06/02/11 11:30 PM |
| 1 | Is there a way to ask if the girl has stds before we do it without ruining my game? We should have some general STD information on seddit.Could not agree more strongly here. It's bad game to not be open about sexual health, and exhibits a fear of not getting laid, which is beta. If you're really confident of yourself and your value on the sexual market, you aren't going to be freaked out about a girl deciding not to have sex with you because you asked about STDs. So what? If she's freaked out about discussing STDs, she probably has one or has a risky sexual history that she doesn't want to be reminded of. Do you really want to sti… | /r/seduction | 06/02/11 11:29 PM |
| 7 | "I don't want this to be a one night stand."It's not only ticking, it's winding down fast. The likelihood of a woman over 40 getting pregnant and carrying to term is pretty darned slim. Steer clear of women this age who haven't satisfied their maternal urges, unless you're looking to settle down soon and have kids yourself. It's unethical to stand in the way of a woman this age who is hell-bent on landing a husband and making babies (actually, I steer clear of all women, no matter what age, who are "ready to settle down"). | /r/seduction | 01/02/11 02:48 AM |
| 2 | Renting a hotel room tomorrow with this HB9 I'm sleeping with, and she's just told me she's got a yeast infectionThis is a question for /r/sex. You need to get some knowledge for your young ass about the workings of a vagina. It is not a seduction question, it is a sexual health question, and if you continue to have success with women you'll need to learn a lot more about both male and female sexual health. | /r/seduction | 01/02/11 02:42 AM |
| 2 | [FR] Deaf newcomer decides to test the AA to see if there are any resultsIt's not just an asshole thing to do...it's low-value, even if you do it privately rather than to their face, and just complain about it to your friends. People complain about shit they can't control but that exerts control over them: Government, disease, their boss, etc. When you complain about someone that is there to serve you, you're demonstrating that even the waitress, or the flight attendant, or the chef, or whoever, exerts control over you and you're at their mercy. I think the reason hu… | /r/seduction | 30/01/11 04:37 PM |
| 3 | [fR] Gym FailThis is so tragic, because so many guys have been asking how to approach at the gym...and you didn't even have to approach. She opened you, which is so powerful a position to be in. This is actually one of the things dating coaches for women recommend they do to meet guys at the gym: Ask how to use a machine or do an exercise. You were being gamed. It'll probably never happen again. ;) That's OK, though. There are millions of girls. You'll get the next one. | /r/seduction | 30/01/11 04:16 AM |
| 9 | [FR] Deaf newcomer decides to test the AA to see if there are any resultsI have no real advice to give. Your game is tight. You didn't seal the deal by securing the digits (but maybe that was logistically pointless, anyway), so you may have missed an opportunity for more. If there are any mistakes here, they are in terms of logistics and achieving your potential. But, it sounds like this was a big milestone for you, so congratulations for a game very well-played! But, I do want to just call out a few things as being worthy of comment: She started out being extra nice… | /r/seduction | 30/01/11 04:10 AM |
| 1 | [FR] What Would Mystery Do?When you put it that way, it doesn't seem that bad. | /r/seduction | 29/01/11 04:42 AM |
| 2 | [fR] (fail report) - Gym failI still have AA, and it's very strong at the gym. Which may be part of my hesitation to approach there. But, I also know that a lot of women don't want to be approached at the gym...they're sweaty, no makeup, in embarassing/exposed positions, whatever. I do think as long as you keep it light, you can approach just about anywhere, including the gym, without causing offense or discomfort. But, I like to have some eye contact in advance to have some notion about whether the approach is welcome or n… | /r/seduction | 29/01/11 03:07 AM |
| 16 | [fR] (fail report) - Gym failThe gym is a tough one. You can't be aggressive at all at the gym, because it'll creep people out. So, attraction has to build slowly and is probably going to have to be based mostly on your looks and eye contact. Classes at the gym are slightly more social, and if you arrive early you can make chit chat with your neighbors, and you're likely to be heavily outnumbered by women at most classes. Again, though, you can't be too aggressive. I simply won't do a completely cold approach at the gym. If… | /r/seduction | 28/01/11 06:29 PM |
| 14 | We all could learn something from this guy (Made his move like a BOSS. Video)Agreed. There is a point where you can throw the rules right the fuck out the window. And this guy. This guy. Man, he can just do whatever the fuck he wants, as long as he keeps his massive brass balls under control and doesn't hurt anybody with them. | /r/seduction | 28/01/11 06:23 AM |
| 1 | I finally grew a pair to talk to this girl on the bus (yes, it was embarrassing), now I need your help...I just think that you're assuming this time, he's going to act like you act, and aren't putting yourself into his shoes enough. If he can't cross that chasm and have a normal conversation with the girl, he's not going to get her no matter what he says or does; my method or your method will both fail, if he can't have a normal conversation with the girl. I'm assuming he'll do better next time, because practice fixes everything. If he doesn't do better next time, it will be practice for the next n… | /r/seduction | 28/01/11 06:16 AM |
| 3 | I finally grew a pair to talk to this girl on the bus (yes, it was embarrassing), now I need your help...It's not insincere because I don't have "awkward moments" of silence. The awkward silences have already happened. We can't make that go away. He knows it. She knows it. Don't get me wrong, completely ignoring it would be fine, and would also be way better than apologizing or trying to explain why there were awkward moments. But I think trotting it right out into the open and laughing at it is even better than ignoring it, and I have a reasonable of field testing to give me confidence of this. I … | /r/seduction | 28/01/11 01:45 AM |
| 9 | I finally grew a pair to talk to this girl on the bus (yes, it was embarrassing), now I need your help..."I hope I didn't creep you out yesterday... I am not good at this" or something like that Nope. This is very different from my approach. My approach calls out a shared experience, and makes it funny. Yours calls out your failure to be awesome, and makes her nervous that it's going to be repeated. Shared experience trumps self-immolation. If my suggested script doesn't fit for some reason (like you aren't near her on the bus), you should still keep it light and focus on the shared experience aspe… | /r/seduction | 27/01/11 10:34 PM |
| 5 | I finally grew a pair to talk to this girl on the bus (yes, it was embarrassing), now I need your help...While I respect your opinion, I think your approach is maybe a bit insecure or at least insincere. Girls, even hot ones, don't need you to to be perfectly awesome in every way all the time. It can be extremely disarming of the bitch shield, totally funny, and attractive, to own up to your less than ideal interactions. I say stuff like, "That was really funny in my head, but I guess you had to be there." and "Wow. We are having the most boring conversation ever! I think we set a record or somethi… | /r/seduction | 27/01/11 10:27 PM |
| 13 | I finally grew a pair to talk to this girl on the bus (yes, it was embarrassing), now I need your help...Because otherwise it's just hanging there. Mocking you. Seriously, though, almost everything I ever say is because I find it funny; I'm entertaining myself, not putting on a show for others. It shows you're not intimidated or worried about what she thinks about you or the prior interaction. You just assume she thinks you're awesome, and she probably will. Also, what Enthusizer said. She knows there were some awkward pauses in the last conversation, and she's probably worried about her inability … | /r/seduction | 27/01/11 06:31 PM |
| 31 | I finally grew a pair to talk to this girl on the bus (yes, it was embarrassing), now I need your help...Next time you see her, if it's on the bus, "Hey, cool. It's you. We can share more awkward pauses on the bus ride, today. How's it going (name)?" Then tell an interesting short story about what you've done since last you saw her. Start it with, "Hey, have you ever done (x thing) at (y place)? No? You should get out more. My buddy and I just went this weekend. It's actually a lot of fun, blah blah blah." If it's not on the bus, you can do the "Are you stalking me?" bit, but in this case it's prob… | /r/seduction | 27/01/11 05:18 PM |
| 10 | A nice face saver when she refuses to give you her numberNo need to save face. You did nothing wrong in asking for the number (though with practice you'll learn to recognize the signs of whether she wants to see you again), and she did nothing wrong in refusing. As with all instances of a girl saying, "No", just say, "OK", and move on. | /r/seduction | 27/01/11 05:07 PM |
| 1 | Gunwich - The Way of GunThe best way to share files, particularly big ones, is to use bittorrent. The more people downloading, the faster it gets for everyone. | /r/seduction | 26/01/11 02:49 AM |
| 8 | Got a call from the ex-girlfriend, time to re-frame aggressivelyThe important thing about frame is that you, as the seducer, need to determine it and do what needs to be done to make that the reality. You did that very well. You held the line when she tested to see if you would go for any bait she dangled out there; just hanging out wasn't enough for you, and she sensed that. She probably did actually want to get laid that night, but she probably also wanted to hang out as friends and many other possible outcomes. The story isn't determined until you both co… | /r/seduction | 25/01/11 10:56 PM |
| -1 | [FR] Prince, Purple Rain, and the Pursuit of PussyJim Morrison was a dork. And, in the end, he was a fat, barely coherent, dork. | /r/seduction | 25/01/11 07:36 AM |
| 3 | A question from one sedately to the othersFear is the mindkiller. It is also the attraction killer. The moment you fear losing a woman is the moment she will begin to slip away. | /r/seduction | 24/01/11 09:20 PM |
| 2 | [FR] The baristaYou don't need to mention Assange. He was all over the news for weeks as a "hacker" and a "terrorist" and "traitor". The mainstream idiotic media has done all that needed to be done. Now nerds are dangerous, world-shaking, wreckers of world political balance and shit. Best thing to happen to the word "hacker" from a pickup perspective in years. (Idiotic and embarrassing from the perspective of objective and informed media, but we just concern ourselves with chicks around here, and being dangerou… | /r/seduction | 24/01/11 09:14 PM |
| 21 | [FR] The baristaExcellent game on the fake number situation. Non-reactivity showed that you didn't care about the fake number; and playing hard to get when she wanted to get real was money. This is a pretty good example of really geeky game. A lot of guys seem to think they have to put on some front of being an international playboy or a Jersey Shore style douchebag to get girls. But, you can be nerdy as fuck and date hot girls. You just have to be cool and high value, and nerds can be extremely cool and high v… | /r/seduction | 24/01/11 06:35 PM |
| 1 | Who thinks we need a list of "dismantled shit-tests?"I didn't suggest making a big deal out of it or being an asshole about it, and I think maybe you're responding to some other comment than mine (I've pointed out that most chicks are barely above retarded, which, as you note, is just like most dudes). I merely suggested not going out of your way to please chicks you just met. Me standing around waiting with a purse in my hand is going way out of my way. You can hold all the bags you want. I'll let the table or chair or her friend hold it, while I… | /r/seduction | 22/01/11 10:27 PM |
| 2 | Who thinks we need a list of "dismantled shit-tests?"All of these are a bit played out, I think, and a bit reactive. | /r/seduction | 22/01/11 09:39 PM |
| 3 | Who thinks we need a list of "dismantled shit-tests?"That's so cute. You think it's intentional! She can't help it. She's not doing it on purpose...shit tests are like breathing or farting for girls that get hit on all day. It's just something that happens without them planning to do it. It's not a "Alright, now I'm going to tell him to hold my purse. That'll make me lose all attraction for him, and then I won't have to go home with him or give him my number." It's not like that...it's an involuntary reaction to being hit on, just like IOIs and bl… | /r/seduction | 22/01/11 09:37 PM |
| 5 | Who thinks we need a list of "dismantled shit-tests?"Nope, that's one of the occasions where she does not need you to hold her purse. It's an excuse to make you do something for her. Need looks like this: "OMG, that guy just had a heart attack, hold my purse so I can do CPR! Also, call 911; my phone is in the side pocket." (That bitch is awesome. I'd hold her purse any day. But, she probably wouldn't ask; she'd just drop her purse and get shit done.) It does not look like: "OMG! My glass is empty. Hold my purse so I can herp derp derpity do!" or "… | /r/seduction | 22/01/11 09:33 PM |
| 2 | Today I walked up to random attractive girls and said "Hi, you're hot. Let's go out."I strongly suspect the success rate would be roughly the same as indirect game, no matter what you look like. If you're unattractive, the results of any kind of game will be less positive than if you're good looking. That aint rocket science and nobody is surprised by it. I just think you're overestimating the value of indirect game in most circumstances. I also think, orthogonally, that you have some limiting beliefs about appearance that will effect your success rate more than your actual appe… | /r/seduction | 20/01/11 02:28 AM |
| 5 | Today I walked up to random attractive girls and said "Hi, you're hot. Let's go out."I think you underestimate how attractive an apocalyptic opener like this can be, particularly during the day. It's not as bold as "Do you want to come home with me?" but it's pretty damned bold, and the resulting shock and awe it powerful. Indirect game may be necessary in clubs where girls are being hit on all the time, but during the day, the girl isn't all dolled up, she may have gone all day without someone flirting overtly with her (unless she's a 9 or 10 and always dresses to aggressively … | /r/seduction | 19/01/11 09:51 PM |
| 13 | How do you respond to "Do you like me?"Context matters a lot with something like this. Is it after you've had sex? Then, you say, "Yes, I like you very much. C'mere and give me a kiss." Is it after you've just been flirting for a couple minutes? Then you've probably done something wrong that needs to be defused (and it may be a shit test). I'd probably joke about it a bit. "Well...I'm not sure yet. But, I reckon you're alright, so far. Let's see how you do these next few minutes before I pass judgment." (Smiling and laughing about it… | /r/seduction | 16/01/11 11:08 PM |
| 2 | But If We Started Dating It Would Ruin Our Friendship Where I Ask You To Do Things And You Do Them [Repost from r/funny, but incredibly relevant]That guy of yours was never in the friend zone, despite his attempts to walk into it. You wanted him all along. That, by definition, means he was never friend zoned. "Friend" and "friend zone" are not the same thing. The friend zone is a specific term meaning that attraction is not reciprocated. Friends can, and often do, have mutual attraction...if circumstances are right, that friendship can turn into more than friendship. No surprise there, and no friend zone escape has occurred. | /r/seduction | 16/01/11 08:15 PM |
| 1 | But If We Started Dating It Would Ruin Our Friendship Where I Ask You To Do Things And You Do Them [Repost from r/funny, but incredibly relevant]Oh, I don't think Twisting_Me's situation is very illuminating of the friend zone. That guy was never in the friend zone, despite trying for a year and a half to walk into it. She was attracted to him despite his unattractive behavior. I was just agreeing that when a guy ends up in the friend zone, he almost certainly did it to himself. And, as I've said numerous times here at seddit: The best way to get out of the friend zone is to not step into it. And, if you are in the friend zone, it is eas… | /r/seduction | 16/01/11 08:12 PM |
| 4 | But If We Started Dating It Would Ruin Our Friendship Where I Ask You To Do Things And You Do Them [Repost from r/funny, but incredibly relevant]I'm pretty sure that at least 90% of the time, guys walk voluntarily into the friend zone. That's the tragedy of it. I see it all the time, on reddit, among friends, etc. It's everywhere, and it's clear as day to people who have any comprehension of seduction and attraction. | /r/seduction | 15/01/11 10:44 PM |
| 4 | How men and women attract each other - according to CraigslistYou missed a couple of words: "How men and women try to attract each other". There's no science here on which of these ads are effective, even relative to each other. | /r/seduction | 15/01/11 12:17 AM |
| 1 | Seddit, how do you wear you facial hair?Full beard; usually reasonably well-kempt, but I'm been known to let it grow wild for a week or two. I never have less than a goatee with moustache and big sideburns. I'm a pretty hairy guy all-around, so I consider it fair warning so girls know exactly what they're getting. | /r/seduction | 14/01/11 02:47 AM |
| 3 | [US FR #12] Day Two in Miami - Day Bar Game, Social Engineering into the VIP, Club Game, Random F-closeI've stopped kiss closing most of the time. I don't like getting sick, and I got a severe case of antibiotic resistant strep throat once after a club make out, and ended up losing a couple of really lovely girls that I had on the line because of it (if you can't meet up and build attraction for ten+ days, it's hard to keep attraction going). So, I tend to only kiss the girls I'm bringing home. | /r/seduction | 11/01/11 08:45 PM |
| 5 | When does aggressive become pushy?Don't give DTF signals if you aren't DTF, and you'll probably avoid this sort of thing in the future. Making out on a late night train with a guy you just met after you've both been out partying is a pretty strong signal that you're looking to get laid. He went into "I'm getting laid" mode, which is, for some guys, extremely aggressive (which many girls find to be a huge turn on). I'm not saying he was right to act the way he did. He definitely was not. Dude was acting like a petulant child by t… | /r/seduction | 11/01/11 08:38 PM |
| 1 | "It’s not that he seduces women. He seduces everyone." (How to get this famous guy's famous charisma.)If you can't separate politics from personality, well, then, that doesn't reflect well on your intelligence. tl;dr: You're stupid. | /r/seduction | 11/01/11 08:25 PM |
| 2 | "8. You will go home empty-handed if you pass on the sure thing" - Story of my life.[FR]Girls are funny. One never knows. Gay bff may have just been jealous of the attention, or under orders to keep her from fucking any dudes that night (girls do that sometimes; a "don't let me get drunk and fuck some asshole tonight" pact is not all that uncommon). | /r/seduction | 10/01/11 09:07 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Like a boss (F-close and a deeper understanding of pickup)Yay, Internet Tough Guy has arrived! | /r/seduction | 10/01/11 08:56 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Like a boss (F-close and a deeper understanding of pickup)He's the boss. She's the champ riding the boss. It's all very clear to me. | /r/seduction | 10/01/11 08:49 PM |
| 4 | "8. You will go home empty-handed if you pass on the sure thing" - Story of my life.[FR]This is the moment that jumps out at me, as well. This looks to me like a "friend save", where her gay bff sees the girl in distress being hit on by someone she doesn't want to be hit on by, and he steps in. He may have been overeager about it, and she may not have been super keen on him jumping in (or she may have sent out "help me!" signals, it's hard to say). But, OPs response here was poor. "Aren't you going to introduce me?" is a good response. Walking away and starting other conversations … | /r/seduction | 10/01/11 08:33 PM |
| 2 | How to respond to "is this a date?"I've never gotten this question, in the past couple of years of using PUA/seduction methods. I doubt you'll get it either. It's probably obvious it's a date if you've been aggressive enough and built enough attraction. I have gotten, "This isn't a date." at the start of a dinner-at-home date with a girl that was playing extremely hard to get (she proved to be the first girl I've had over for dinner that I didn't sleep with that same night). I replied, "OK, we'll just hang out." We did, and I was… | /r/seduction | 10/01/11 07:46 PM |
| 27 | "It’s not that he seduces women. He seduces everyone." (How to get this famous guy's famous charisma.)I don't see any conflicts. That's all really solid, and fits with most seduction common wisdom, I think. Clinton is, in fact, an awesome example of alpha male behavior. Calm, confident, warm, present, passionate, etc. He had horrible taste in women (some of the chicks he banged looked like ugly dudes), but he was always a player, from very early on in his career. | /r/seduction | 10/01/11 07:22 PM |
| 4 | Ok time for a discussion of poor behavior...That girl wanted to play rough. She was testing to see if you were game, you weren't, so she backed down and tried to meet your level. You obviously played reasonably good game, since she wanted to please and meet your expectations. I generally don't shut that kind of thing down because I like to play rough. When a girl hits me, she's just told me she likes to be hit, so now I have a reasonably good idea how to turn her on. I'll return the strike immediately in a playful way, but with equal forc… | /r/seduction | 08/01/11 06:36 PM |
| 1 | How to ask someone to be FWBYeah, that's probably the best assumption to make, because all the other assumptions you could make might hurt your confidence. ;) I always just assume she wanted more than I was willing to give when a girl nexts me. (A small number of them will call again later for booty calls.) | /r/seduction | 08/01/11 06:03 PM |
| 2 | [Female FR] Awesome is what awesome does!This is an excellent question, and really could use an answer. The PUA party line is that other girls is rarely a problem...especially if she's freezing you out as in this case. I strongly suspect it was the beta-ness of the dude that killed the attraction, rather than the fact that he made out with another chick. She had already noticed his weakness earlier in the night on several occasions...I don't think that kind of thing can be overlooked. I really think if he'd been making out with chicks … | /r/seduction | 08/01/11 06:00 PM |
| 2 | How to ask someone to be FWBThe goal should probably be to avoid ever hearing the "What are we doing here?" question, by managing expectations from the beginning. If it's clear you're actively dating, and it's clear you're not wanting to spend every waking moment with this girl, but when you do spend time with her, you're awesome and aggressive, she'll generally know what's up. If you're attractive enough, sexy enough, and enough fun to hang out with, she'll generally be happy to have those one or two days a week that you … | /r/seduction | 07/01/11 05:56 PM |
| 2 | Recently Divorced? Recovery and a Plug for HonestyAnd being unattached to outcomes, non-needy, and having an attitude of abundance. Inner game is strong in this one, which makes everything so much easier. | /r/seduction | 07/01/11 01:21 AM |
| 2 | Famous PUA Guru Gunwitch shoots a woman in the faceWell, Clinton did shoot, and I bet some of it got on Monica's face. | /r/seduction | 06/01/11 10:34 PM |
| 3 | Famous PUA Guru Gunwitch shoots a woman in the faceHard living seems to really hit hard near the 30 year old mark. I've known a number of alcoholics and other addicts that were gorgeous and youthful, despite their addiction...then 30 rolled around, and bam, shit got real. They bloated up as metabolism naturally slows, hands got that "old person" look about them, ass and tits got saggy, cheeks got sallow, etc. It's always a shock when I see someone I haven't seen for a couple of years, and they're haggard. Somewhat older pictures of this guy seem… | /r/seduction | 06/01/11 10:31 PM |
| 1 | Famous PUA Guru Gunwitch shoots a woman in the faceI've known two different people who committed suicide by firearm. In both cases I had seen multiple bullet holes in their houses, which they claimed were "accidental" discharges, while cleaning the gun or while they were loading it or unloading it, or whatever. So, when I see a bullet hole in someone's home, I automatically assume they've attempted suicide in the past, and may attempt it again in the future, no matter what explanation they give for the holes. So, I suspect this guy has serious p… | /r/seduction | 06/01/11 10:24 PM |
| 28 | For those who don't quite get it: weaknesses and insecurities are the emotional equivalent of genitalia.tl;dr Edward has a vagina. | /r/seduction | 05/01/11 12:21 AM |
| 1 | Ask Seddit: Need to learn PUA in a matter of hours. Any last minute tips?I've never heard of Krauser, and I'm highly suspicious of this theory. Have you actually tested it? This seems like bizarro world seduction advice...where everything is the opposite of how it is in our world. I will point out that no kino at all vs. no physical sexual escalation, are two very different ideas. Most of us here agree that if you're going for the same day lay, you need to keep ramping up sexual tension without relieving it through making out, intimate touching, etc. But that's a who… | /r/seduction | 04/01/11 12:01 PM |
| 1 | Cute Girl At MallYou're not paying attention. Mad wisdom has been dropped. There is nothing more to say, really. You approach her like you would any other girl, just like I said. She is not unique, nor is this situation one that merits special analysis. If you don't know what "like you would any other girl" means, I'll expand upon it: Opinion opener, situational opener, "You look bored.", something funny, something clever, "Hey, how's it going?" Google the first two, if you don't know what they mean. (Example op… | /r/seduction | 04/01/11 02:49 AM |
| 2 | A lesson on fucking up attraction via text.What do you think the most important word in that sentence is? I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count. | /r/seduction | 04/01/11 02:41 AM |
| 3 | A lesson on fucking up attraction via text.Text is not "contact". It's time-filler for her, and if you're too available it will kill the attraction, regardless of what awesome shit you're talking about. Text game is pretty much a science at this point, and talking too much is widely accepted to cause attraction to wither. | /r/seduction | 03/01/11 10:09 PM |
| 1 | (For seduction) DAE use the same perfected date repeatedly for most women?But why is the rum gone? | /r/seduction | 03/01/11 10:03 PM |
| 2 | Female: How do I talk to the hot guy sitting beside me?Earphones solution: Put your hand on his shoulder to get his attention. Wait until he's facing you and you have his full attention. Smile a bit, and mime taking earphones off. Wait until he's taken them off. Say something. It's foolproof. Works every time!* *-By some definition of "works" and "every". | /r/seduction | 03/01/11 09:47 PM |
| 1 | Female: How do I talk to the hot guy sitting beside me?Giggling is good game for a girl. It's sexy. | /r/seduction | 03/01/11 09:44 PM |
| 3 | As a female I have no idea where to start on learning to seduce...Sounds like she's a bi woman, mostly wanting to seduce women, so we probably are more useful to her than we would be for straight women. LesbianPUA and a couple of other gay girls seem to have found some value here. Game seems to work effectively for girls chasing girls. | /r/seduction | 03/01/11 05:48 PM |
| 6 | "We're going back to my place, I want to X" What is X?Pictures, or movies. "My place is just around the corner. I'll show you those pictures of (some awesome thing I saw in the last place I visited)." Or, "Hey, I've got (some new movie from netflix) at my place, let's go make popcorn and watch it." Or, "Hey, I've got Firefly at my place. You're in for a treat. It's The Best Show Ever Made, and if you don't love it, we can never be friends." (I drama this one up, if they've never seen Firefly, because I really do love it, but I don't take the obsess… | /r/seduction | 03/01/11 09:02 AM |
| 3 | Leave her top/shirt on till you take her panties off to bust LMR?I often go for pants first, just because I don't care about tits. I rarely get LMR to a significant degree once I have a girl at my house, but I don't attribute it to the pants-first thing. I think this is a combination of "correlation is not causation" and you getting better at pacing the seduction and reading her signals with more accuracy. | /r/seduction | 03/01/11 05:27 AM |
| 4 | Cute Girl At MallDon't make an elaborate strategy. You're building this girl up, and when you do that you guarantee failure or disappointment. Read the FAQ, and at least one beginner resource. She is an approach, just like any other. Don't make her special in your head, and don't make a big deal out of approaching her vs. approaching any other girl. In fact, since you have already built her up some, you might want to try approaching a few other girls the same day in advance of talking to her, so that you're in a… | /r/seduction | 02/01/11 10:14 PM |
| 1 | [US FR #6] I swear I didn't roofie your friend, lady. Honest!Yeah, that would make a difference. In out of the way places, I'm always on some network I've never heard of; regional carriers, sometimes not even digital. As long as it's included for free, it's sweet...but if you can't use it, that'd be a negative. Doesn't matter, sounds like Tofu is just visiting major cities while he's here. Not a lot of gaming to be done in the middle of the desert or mountains when service gets spotty. | /r/seduction | 02/01/11 09:53 PM |
| 1 | two HB5 > one HB8???As drummers always say, "Three fat girls are as good as one skinny one." But, it's not true. I'd take one hot girl over a dozen homely ones, all other things being equal. | /r/seduction | 02/01/11 09:50 PM |
| 1 | [US FR #6] I swear I didn't roofie your friend, lady. Honest!Hmmm...so, it must not be able to roam for free as direct Sprint customers can. Or maybe I misremembered and it's not on the Sprint network, at all. I got my 3G modem from a company that used the Sprint+roaming network; I've just switched to Clear 4G, which is also on the Sprint network, and I'm hoping it has the free roaming thing, because it makes a big difference; if it doesn't I'll be screwed when I'm in the desert or the mountains. But, I was often amazed at where I could get service, thoug… | /r/seduction | 02/01/11 09:12 PM |
| 1 | [US FR #6] I swear I didn't roofie your friend, lady. Honest!I believe Virgin is on the Sprint network, which is a very big network, so it's good even outside of cities. I'm not sure if Virgin can partake of the free data roaming that Sprint customers can use, but if so, it's probably the biggest network available, or at least a close second to Verizon. I think Cricket and Boost are also reselling Sprint network service. | /r/seduction | 02/01/11 08:38 PM |
| 1 | If another guy at a bar approaches me and asks me BS like "what are your hobbies" I am going to throw my drink on him.Lines like that are great for trolling for interesting conversation at bars. So, it's sort of like a pickup line, then? Oh, wait, it's just like a pickup line! WTF do you think pickup lines are for? | /r/seduction | 02/01/11 05:43 PM |
| 99 | If another guy at a bar approaches me and asks me BS like "what are your hobbies" I am going to throw my drink on him.Take pity on those poor guys. Also, realize that in ten years (maybe a little more or less), you won't be approached by strangers at a rate anywhere near your current rate...you will begin to long for the days when you had your pick of many (even socially clumsy) men. I'm in my 30s and all of the single female friends I grew up with, including some that were and are still, smoking hot, now complain constantly about how hard it is for them to meet men. It takes a lot of guts for those guys to app… | /r/seduction | 02/01/11 07:49 AM |
| 1 | Don't you think you're all over complicating everything?Why are you here? | /r/seduction | 02/01/11 04:18 AM |
| 1 | [FR] First night out: about 4 openers and 3 things learnedIf you're in a good mood, touching the shoulder, back, or upper arm to open the conversation is absolutely fine. | /r/seduction | 02/01/11 12:20 AM |
| 2 | [FR] This game is motherfucking trip manTake solace in the knowledge that everybody that's not a natural goes through this to one degree or another (and even naturals probably have bad days, it just doesn't effect them as deeply because they've had such a long run of general success; which is where you want to be if you're working on being a natural). This is one of the reasons I think we should always be really honest about how hard this stuff is. It does no one any good to believe that just learning a few tricks and techniques will … | /r/seduction | 01/01/11 11:00 PM |
| 3 | PUA is not working for me. Suggestions?superfuntime's first point is probably the biggest stumbling block to your game. It's good that you're powering through and approaching anyway, because you have to. But, your head has to get right eventually, or it'll never work. I hate loud clubs, too, and can't approach for crap in them. I do much better in laid back neighborhood bars full of hipsters, pool tables, laid back people of both sexes, and very few girls who are there just to get a shot of attention. I went out last night, and had a… | /r/seduction | 01/01/11 10:45 PM |
| 1 | Inspired by tofu: hb8 F-closeThey also have signals (probably not actually worked out in advance...just the eyes, face, etc.), so it can work on first meeting, as well, if the girl is giving really clear signals to her friends, and they know she wants to get laid that day (girls also talk about needing to get laid, probably much more often than guys reveal that sort of thing to their friends). I once had a girl's gay BFF talking her up to me, and making sure I knew he was the gay BFF and that they aren't a couple. He knew s… | /r/seduction | 01/01/11 06:49 PM |
| 4 | Sounds gay, but really, this is a fantastic mindset to adopt.I think this article has some dangerous notions. It'd be really easy to take away a perspective that "putting the pussy on a pedestal" is workable from a seduction perspective. You may feel this way about women (I do), but you also have to be in control, be assertive, aggressive, and dismissive of her flighty feminine whims. You can't be blinded by the beauty and feminine graces of your target, and you can't let yourself get lost in it, particularly early on in the seduction. | /r/seduction | 01/01/11 06:46 PM |
| 4 | Why do you all believe one another's FRs? Everywhere else on Reddit, people are skeptical about stories puffing up the ego of the OP -I believe this picture sums up your post better than I could. Also, why are you here? | /r/seduction | 01/01/11 05:53 PM |
| 1 | Frequently Asked QuestionsApparently so. Ross Jeffries coined the term years ago. He's ridiculously cheesy, so it's not at all out of character. I think "hot babe" is also pretty cheesy. But it's our common tongue, so we do with it what we can. | /r/seduction | 01/01/11 08:27 AM |
| 3 | [FR] First "Sarge"Just saying "Hey guys, how's it going?" is fine for opening, as long as you follow with something interesting and have all the other stuff right (hard to fake indicators of confidence like body language, vocal tone and pace, eye contact, etc.). But, if you use an obvious pickup line, like "Come here often?" defenses go up. Practice, and awareness, is the only way to get good at the markers of confidence. No matter how many "good" openers you memorize, your success will depend on getting enough p… | /r/seduction | 01/01/11 12:16 AM |
| 2 | Ask Seddit: Need to learn PUA in a matter of hours. Any last minute tips?Google "shit test". | /r/seduction | 31/12/10 07:33 PM |
| 9 | Inspired by tofu: hb8 F-closeExcellent game. One little quibble: You should be more careful with the friend. If she feels neglected too much she will cockblock. In this case, I'm guessing HB8 had already briefed HB7 on the situation, and hinted strongly enough that she should stay out of the way. If the strip club portion of the story had all happened on the first night, you would have run up against some monster cock-blocking from HB7, almost certainly, if you completely ignored her. A good solution to that is to get the o… | /r/seduction | 31/12/10 07:00 PM |
| 3 | 2 or more girls that are interested in you are at the same place. What's the game plan?Be awesome! You probably can't take them both home that night (unless they're both bi, and both really into you; though I'd think you'd want to save that kind of thing for girls you're already sleeping with), but if you're cool, there's no reason for this to be a problem. Just game them both. Take home the one you want most, and catch up with the other later. I assume you already have both numbers? If not, secure the digits. | /r/seduction | 31/12/10 07:02 AM |
| 3 | Rate my IM gameAh, that's slightly different. I thought you had met her in person. But, yeah, I would still escalate to a physical meet faster. | /r/seduction | 31/12/10 04:13 AM |
| 3 | Rate my IM gameWTF is this shit? Why do you talk so much? Have you read none of our texting advice? It's even in the FAQ. | /r/seduction | 31/12/10 03:43 AM |
| 2 | So there's this girl in the gym..."I forgot my ipod. I hate when that happens. I get bored just exercising. You know?" "Made your new years resolutions yet? I bet one of them is go to the gym more often. Me, too." "You know, I'm not sure I'm doing this right. You know how these newfangled machines work?" "You look very serious. How long have you been on that thing?" I dunno, really. What's going on around you? Anything interesting? New equipment at the gym? New class you haven't tried yet? Say you're thinking of trying it, ask i… | /r/seduction | 31/12/10 01:29 AM |
| 3 | So there's this girl in the gym...Yeah, I think you need to go in pretty indirect to start at the gym. Leave it friendly until you have indication she's buying what you're selling. But, there's no reason not to make a little idle conversation. | /r/seduction | 31/12/10 12:12 AM |
| 7 | Seddit: How do I pick up the stunning girl at the BK drive thru?"You look bored." If it hooks, go from there. If it doesn't, it probably wasn't meant to be. You can't really plow or anything when you've got like 30 seconds. It'd just be weird to hang around talking if people are behind you, though you could minimize that problem by going at a time when it won't be crowded. | /r/seduction | 30/12/10 10:46 PM |
| 17 | Seddit: How do I pick up the stunning girl at the BK drive thru?Never give a girl you don't even know gifts. | /r/seduction | 30/12/10 10:44 PM |
| 1 | On valuing oneself, by Feynman (and Pausch)I think the critical thing is that he believed in himself to a greater extent than a lot of people. I note this is Casanova's defining trait as well. And a lot of people that I find admirable. Yep, that's pretty much a major characteristic of all men who are great with women, even if they don't have precisely perfect game. Confidence is supremely sexy. And Feynman has lovely women in his life because he had it in spades. He proceeded to mark a day on the calendar a few months ahead and thought, … | /r/seduction | 30/12/10 10:35 PM |
| 5 | My first [FR]Like a boss. | /r/seduction | 30/12/10 08:54 PM |
| 2 | Frequently Asked QuestionsHere's my favorite: Egg Bread Cook egg, put it on bread. Hand completed sandwich to girl, and smack her on the ass as she walks out the door. This is pretty advanced stuff, though, so I don't think it needs to go into the FAQ; it'll just get newbs in trouble to try stuff like this early on. Perhaps in the Advanced Tactics chapter of the "seddit method" series. | /r/seduction | 30/12/10 08:47 PM |
| 1 | On valuing oneself, by Feynman (and Pausch)I think his game was tight, regardless of whether he was going for the same-day lay or not. You can be sensitive and emotionally connected, and even vulnerable, and still have good game. It's just longer term game. He was, reportedly, quite smooth with women, and never short of feminine attention...so I think he did alright. | /r/seduction | 30/12/10 06:27 PM |
| 3 | Videos of Mystery In-FieldHe's not very interesting, but he has great body language, very good vocal tone and pacing...he seems interesting, even though he's boring as hell. It just goes to show that being really good at all the ancillary stuff can make up for being boring to some degree. Also, having a camera crew is great for meeting people. | /r/seduction | 30/12/10 07:32 AM |
| 2 | Thinking like a womanEvolutionarily speaking, if a woman makes a poor choice of mate, and gets pregnant...she could end up dead. Men don't have that kind of burden. A poor choice in where we deposit our sperm is not going to kill us, generally speaking. Modern men and women don't have quite those kinds of weight to deal with. Women rarely die during childbirth, and are rarely in a situation where an unwanted pregnancy is a significant risk. The balance is pretty close to even now, but the evolutionary programming wi… | /r/seduction | 30/12/10 07:10 AM |
| 4 | Seriously though: don't overtextThis actually exhibits unavailability. If you have a dozen people competing for your attention, the girl has to work for it. Excellent game. And, yeah, this is a great way to always have something going that you can invite girls to that includes social proof. I usually have my Wednesday mapped out, as well, but with everyone gone for Christmas, tonight will be anemic. Only one or two people are showing up. Lame. I'll have to meet some new people to expand the circle. | /r/seduction | 30/12/10 02:19 AM |
| 2 | Thinking like a womanThat's probably good for your game. Every time you do something beta, that image should pop into your head, and you won't do it again. | /r/seduction | 30/12/10 02:16 AM |
| 5 | This conversation just happened. critique, please?ME: ha ha I don't have plans yet. Just looking for something to do. Wrong. You always have plans when you invite a girl out. You just signaled that you're lonely and bored, which means you are boring. Your plans can always change as the night progresses, if you want to run into her or her plans are cooler than yours; but you can't fix being boring. And being boring is a death sentence for attraction. If I don't actually have plans that night, I'll just say, "Hey, I'm gonna be downtown for dinner… | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 11:49 PM |
| 7 | Not pretty, really. How attractive people feel about being pretty.I wasn't posting to illicit sympathy for those poor unfortunate attractive souls. ;) I think it's an interesting thought experiment. Knowing what you know about attractive women, how do you approach her differently? How do you make an impression? Knowing that guys are telling her she's beautiful all day, giving her shit, etc., you know that you can't do those things, because you become just another one of those guys. That knowledge can be a powerful tool you use to be more effective in field. | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 10:58 PM |
| 5 | Seriously though: don't overtextIt actually applies to all media, including in-person. Being too available in all forms is an attraction killer. It's easier to avoid the problem in-person, if you're doing everything else right. While, in text form, no matter how clever and "alpha" you think your texts are, just the amount of text you send gives the girl signals about your value and your availability. If you're sending her more texts than she sends you, it will turn off her attraction like a switch. In all media, a good rule of… | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 10:54 PM |
| 2 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsYou could start on it right away. ;) This would probably be a good job for a wiki, but the current seddit wiki is ad-covered shite, and I want nothing to do with it. Maybe we should start a fresh "sedditmethod" wiki somewhere, ideally with minimal or zero ads and some sort of karma-related method of authenticating (though the latter would require some signup code that I don't know that I feel like writing), to prevent spam and vandalism. Or, one of us could just hash out the chapters and order i… | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 10:38 PM |
| 11 | Thinking like a womanTrue dat, yo. I have a few female friends, and I've realized over the years of knowing them and seeing their dating habits and the way they speak of the men they date, that women are so much more judgmental, so much more calculating, and so much better at judging men's value than men are at judging women. Women have more to lose in relationships, so it makes perfect sense for them to be highly selective and to have highly attuned skills in detecting weakness, indecision, etc. But, guys who put w… | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 10:04 PM |
| 1 | Frequently Asked QuestionsWe don't have the technology to ask readers questions in the FAQ. ;) But, once I have more space and can edit the subreddit FAQ, I'll add a question that covers the people who come here looking for a flame war, and suggest they go elsewhere. | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 09:56 PM |
| 2 | Frequently Asked QuestionsI think that's mostly covered in the other parts of the FAQ and the "new to seddit" post. We are recommending a beginner book or program for everyone as a first step (and Mouthpiece and others are considering writing/compiling a "seddit method" beginner series that covers all the basics in a very concise form), which would cover opinion openers and situational openers in detail. But, I'll refine that answer a little bit. The FAQ, to me, is designed to prevent people from bringing up topics that … | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 09:46 PM |
| 1 | Frequently Asked QuestionsSo, I'm hitting the 10000 character limit now, so I can't add anything else in the post. fitnesscirclejerk and afcanonymous suggested I add it to the subreddit faq, which is reportedly editable by anyone with enough link karma. So, I'll submit some link bait so I can move this over to the subreddit FAQ. | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 08:23 PM |
| 1 | Frequently Asked QuestionsUpdated. I don't feel like we've ever gotten a consensus on pickup for women (though I looked at some Patty Cantenta videos and she does look legit), so I'm not going to make any further recommendations in the FAQ, except to look elsewhere, because there are no experts on picking up men here. If there has been a discussion about the topic other than the one I linked that covers where women should go for help, I'd be happy to add it. I'm sure there are plenty of female forever alones here at redd… | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 08:16 PM |
| 1 | DHV activities/interests, what's out there?There are things you should rent, and things you should own. A boat is a thing you should rent. (Unless you live on it. Then it's altogether a different story.) | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 08:18 AM |
| 1 | Frequently Asked QuestionsWhile my comment karma is reasonably high, I have a link karma of 1 on this account, and don't have any plans to submit outside links. So, I reckon someone else will need to take up the mantle on that, if it's going to happen. | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 06:39 AM |
| 1 | Frequently Asked QuestionsWhoah. Why have I never seen this (and why did no one mention it when I was looking for a FAQ)? Also, I don't see any way to edit that FAQ. I guess one of the moderators will need to merge them? Edit: That actually doesn't really look like much of a FAQ, now that I look at it more closely. Just a repeat of the latter part of quazzy's new to seddit post, and has the same problems. It's kinda random, and contains a lot of stuff that isn't "frequently asked". But, I was unaware of whatever function… | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 06:21 AM |
| 1 | Frequently Asked QuestionsIt's covered in the "new to seddit" post I mentioned. But, perhaps it belongs in the FAQ, as well...perhaps in a summary form, rather than linking to the discussion which is kind of all over the place. | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 04:15 AM |
| 18 | Ask Seddit: Need to learn PUA in a matter of hours. Any last minute tips?I present to you The Holy Trinity (plus one) of seduction: You're the prize. You give her opportunities to impress you, and you reward her with sweet words when she does. If she says something cool, you can say, "You're cooler than I thought. I think I'll keep you." or "You know, you're pretty clever. I like that." If she does something sexy, even accidentally, you should show obvious appreciation for it (raise and eyebrow, cock you head to the side like a curious dog, whatever silly thing you w… | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 02:46 AM |
| 3 | Frequently Asked QuestionsThanks. I believe the mods are cool with this and my new "New to seddit" post replacing the current stuff in the side bar. We just need to hash it out and solidify both posts so they cover the right stuff in a clear and concise way. I see where you're coming from on "Is it worth it?" but I think it spawned a great discussion (but once was enough, which is why I think it should be a FAQ, because it comes up every week or so in some form or another). Lots of people chimed in, many sides were aired… | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 02:30 AM |
| 4 | Frequently Asked QuestionsAgreed. Human behavior is not an exact science. We can only discuss what works most of the time for most guys in most situations; specific circumstances will vary wildly. Which is why practice is still the best technique in seduction. | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 02:03 AM |
| 7 | Frequently Asked QuestionsGood idea on the facebook question. Balance is always good, and Delightful_white has some great ideas, and writes well. "How to post a great field report" would be a great post! I think it deserves more than just a quick two or three lines in the FAQ, as field reports, and the discussion they generate, are perhaps our most important resource. I wonder if we can get TofuTofu to drop some knowledge on this topic, since his field reports are pretty universally accept as awesome... Some stuff I like… | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 01:24 AM |
| 2 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsI've just posted a FAQ, which I think covers most of your recommendations. I think I missed "she has a boyfriend", so I'll dig up some links and add that shortly. | /r/seduction | 29/12/10 01:10 AM |
| 1 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsExcellent summary. I'll add a link to your comment for the time being, unless/until we find some more comprehensive resource. Lots of people are suggesting Feeling Good in lots of threads lately, so I guess it must be pretty good, so I'll add that as well. To add to your list: Sunlight, or a sunlamp or vitamin D supplementation in regions that don't get enough sunlight, is also known to help with depression. | /r/seduction | 28/12/10 11:18 PM |
| 2 | Am I too old to start?The cost of wine is nothing (though it would only climb; addicts always need more). In ten or twenty or thirty years the cost of hospitalization and treatment for liver disease and other complications of alcoholism will begin to rear their ugly head, and you won't believe what kind of cost that is. One of my best friend's dad died of liver failure in his late 40s, after running up about a half million dollars in hospital bills beginning in his early 40s. His mom had to divorce the guy just to av… | /r/seduction | 28/12/10 11:13 PM |
| 2 | If you want to kill your inner AFC, ask women out earlyeven though all PUAs say that calling is better Most of the PUAs here don't say that. We actually had a pretty long discussion about it a few months back, and the consensus ended up coming down firmly on the side of text having a higher success rate. And, I think you'll find that most of the famous PUAs are also moving more toward texting being a good choice. | /r/seduction | 28/12/10 09:12 PM |
| 2 | Am I too old to start?I take it as I didn't make enough money to support her and her alcoholic lifestyle. You dodged a bullet there, my friend. That's the best economic windfall you've ever had, and you don't even seem to realize it. Addicts destroy everything they touch, not because they want to, just because they can't help it. Their addiction is simply more important than anything else, including family and friends. | /r/seduction | 28/12/10 09:09 PM |
| 1 | Am I too old to start?You're younger than I am, and younger than I was when I started in on this stuff. I regularly date girls in their mid-twenties, and I suspect I could date even younger, if I were so inclined and if I found myself in places where I would meet younger girls. In short, it's never too late. As for the daunting fact that practicing is hard...What are your alternatives? I did the math, and for me, the reality of living months and years without great women in my life was horrifying. If you'd rather sit… | /r/seduction | 28/12/10 09:06 PM |
| 3 | If you want to kill your inner AFC, ask women out earlyI used to believe in the "call her" concept, but I've altered my perspective the more experience I've gotten. Text seems to simply be more effective for me. Like coolNwhite, I lean more towards cheddar's recommendations, as they fit my own experience most closely. And, I used to wait longer than I do now, and I think not waiting so long tends to be better. But that depends on how much of an impression you made when you met. | /r/seduction | 28/12/10 08:34 PM |
| 1 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsAgreed. I pretty much make it a policy to be actively hostile to guys trying to peddle their wares here. There's all sorts of places for that kind of thing (and reddit has ads; they're extremely cheap and effective; I use them for my own business). I was disappointed to note that "our" wiki is now covered in ads. I don't remember that being the case when I looked at it when it first launched. It's like no one can resist the allure of desperate guy's money. I'm simply not linking to anything that… | /r/seduction | 28/12/10 03:19 AM |
| 2 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsWe all agree that the basics of some sort of ladder of kino and escalation is good for newbs. The question is, does it really need to be as complex as the DiCarlo one? And my answer, as someone that is really good at getting the lay once I get a girl to a day two, is a definitive no. As you note, it's really specific in ways that are entirely pointless. There are way too many stages and phases and steps and whatever else for a mere mortal to remember, especially in the heat of the moment. So, I … | /r/seduction | 28/12/10 03:13 AM |
| 1 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsAll of these definitely need to be covered for newbs. But we may need to push them mostly into the FAQ (except maybe the one-itis one...I think there does need to be some kind of coverage of "seduction cannot make a specific girl want you; if you're here because you're in love with your best friend and she doesn't reciprocate, we can't help"). In fact, I think I might include a dozen or so links in one sentence, linking each word, to responses to this kind of question. It comes up so much and th… | /r/seduction | 28/12/10 02:59 AM |
| 1 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsYou might be right. Successful pickup does come down to the belief that you are worth meeting, befriending, loving, etc., and having very low self esteem is a core part of why a lot of guys fail. And, most fail before even approaching someone. So, you've changed my mind about whether to include something about it. Now the question is, what single resource do we point to? Is there a reddit for that? Is there some post somewhere on seddit that tells people in a concise way how to get help for thei… | /r/seduction | 28/12/10 02:38 AM |
| 22 | Gather ye rosebuds while ye may..The longer you live, the more you realize how easy it is to die. People do it all the time, and sometimes it'll be someone you know. It really should be a reminder to live life to the fullest, because while you might have decades more life ahead of you, you also might not. | /r/seduction | 27/12/10 06:29 PM |
| 2 | Straight women reading seddit...why?And I was making a joke based on PUA/seduction principles. Obviously subtlety is fruitless during combat threads. ;) | /r/seduction | 27/12/10 06:23 PM |
| 1 | Straight women reading seddit...why?I've just read through this little tirade, and I'm struck by one question: Why are you here? | /r/seduction | 27/12/10 10:29 AM |
| 2 | Straight women reading seddit...why?Argumentative. You can't logic a woman into doing something. | /r/seduction | 27/12/10 10:24 AM |
| 2 | Straight women reading seddit...why?Reactive. This would be a shit test failure in the field. | /r/seduction | 27/12/10 10:23 AM |
| 1 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsI have no power over taking down the download post, I just don't think it should be in the "New to seddit" post. Keeping it on the down low would be not advertising it too obviously. Really, I'm of the opinion that the best beginner program would be reading "Talk to everyone", and then actually getting your ass outside and talking to everyone. That alone would increase the amount of tail an AFC gets by a possibly infinite amount (for the virgin forever alones among us). Next step would be cultiv… | /r/seduction | 27/12/10 06:33 AM |
| 1 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsAdded Tofu's famous flaming zit nose FR. I liked his solo sarging one better, but the masses have spoken and the zit nose one is much higher rated, so I'm gonna guess it works for more people. Tofu owns the top rankings of a search for "FR" in seduction, in terms of FRs that are well-written, fun to read, and contain good game descriptions. I'm having a hard time finding other really good options, but I'll keep digging. "No place like home" girl was a story I added in a comment in my "Touch ever… | /r/seduction | 27/12/10 06:26 AM |
| 1 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsSo, now that we've talked about it and I've looked over it some more, I have to agree on "Reading list for a beginner" and I'm feeling very iffy about "Pickup material" as it's all copyright infringing stuff, which we don't really want to have officially sanctioned by seddit. So, we don't have a good list of beginner resources in the old new to seddit post. Has anyone seen a good beginner resources discussion happen that wasn't confusing? (Ideally, one where the top-rated comment includes one re… | /r/seduction | 27/12/10 04:19 AM |
| 1 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsThis about sums it up, though I think it still makes the mistake of assuming you have to touch them all, and go in any particular order. I think it should be made extremely clear that these are guidelines of relative intimacy of types of contact. It isn't a precise science. Just guidelines. You should make a submission of your simplified escalation ladder. I'll link to it, in place of the VDKEL link that is now broken anyway. | /r/seduction | 27/12/10 04:12 AM |
| 1 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsWhile I agree that depression and low self esteem is a huge problem for a lot of sedditors, and it will keep people from getting great women a huge percentage of the time, I don't think it belongs in the new to seddit post. Probably in the FAQ, somewhere. Maybe under each of the questions related to "I'm ugy and everybody hates me" or "I'm fat and everybody hates me" or "Women don't like me so I feel worthless". I probably will make the introductory commentary include some words to the effect of… | /r/seduction | 27/12/10 04:01 AM |
| 1 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsI think it's probably worth adding, "Read or watch one beginner book or program, of whatever well-known method you like the looks of. Then go practice. The tactics are training wheels until you do the right thing naturally. Reading more will not solve your problems, practice will." I do think it's tempting for beginners to see those big long lists of books and materials and think that when they read it all they'll be good with women. The temptation is strong, especially when people are saying th… | /r/seduction | 26/12/10 11:32 PM |
| 2 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsYes, we need a FAQ post, for sure, and I'd like to link to it. If no one compiles a FAQ in the next day or so, I reckon I'll start compiling one. We definitely have a lot of those kinds of questions. That said, it probably is worth including one of the posts that explains why seduction is not for getting one particular girl, and is only for becoming more attractive to women in general. A one-itis manifesto, if you will. Whoever does make the FAQ, I think it's important to keep it concise, as wel… | /r/seduction | 26/12/10 07:04 PM |
| 2 | New to seddit: A Concise Guide for Recovering AFCsAgreed. I think one of Tofu's lording the club posts would be ideal for this for a vision of what's possible. Though it might be a little intimidating for newbies...I'm intimidated by his posts, and I like to think I'm decent at this stuff. I do like the idea of including one or two very good examples of the gestalt of pickup and seduction...what it looks like when someone does everything right (i.e. it doesn't look like pickup or seduction...it looks like someone being their most awesome self).… | /r/seduction | 26/12/10 06:54 PM |
| 1 | [US FR #4] Airport lounge game. Parents as obstacles.I smile every time I read one of your field reports. I like to think I'm clever, but you're like a chess master, seeing ten moves ahead of everyone else. | /r/seduction | 26/12/10 05:33 PM |
| 1 | Is it time for a better, consolidated, organized "new to seddit post?"Done. And, here's the link, in case any non-mods want to chime in: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ero8h/new_to_seddit_a_concise_guide_for_recovering_afcs/ | /r/seduction | 26/12/10 05:15 PM |
| 2 | Is it time for a better, consolidated, organized "new to seddit post?"My recommendations: No more than 10-15 links in the new to seddit post. And I'd recommend it contain: Reading list for a beginner or Pickup material Talk to everyone Touch everyone you talk to Kino Escalation ladder How I go from number to first date Heck, that might even be enough, since it links off to several other useful external resources in those posts and comments. Fashion does not belong. Random bullshit from AFCs about their magic, foolproof, technique that worked for them that one time… | /r/seduction | 26/12/10 04:37 PM |
| 2 | How would you respond to girls grabbing/running their hands through your hair?Chicks don't rub your head? All my bald friends get people rubbing their head all the time. I have a great head of hair, and I rarely get as much attention like this as the bald guys I know. | /r/seduction | 25/12/10 09:02 PM |
| 3 | How would you respond to girls grabbing/running their hands through your hair?This is a great alpha move. Nice Guys would be afraid to touch a girl inappropriately like this...but an alpha reckons that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I had a girl hiding behind me a couple days ago...so I grabbed her around the shoulder, pulled her around front and held her while her friend threw stuff at her, calling her out for using me as her shield. Same basic concept. She got close to me and touched me, so I escalated it, and flipped the script around so she became m… | /r/seduction | 25/12/10 09:01 PM |
| 3 | Seddit 13kThere's no reason to rename it seddit. (Just like redditors on sex are called "sexxitors", it doesn't mean the name of /r/sex ought to be changed to sexxit.) Seduction is the subject, seddit is the abbreviation for seduction reddit, and sedditors are we. | /r/seduction | 25/12/10 07:12 PM |
| 2 | I've read a little of the new tab, my head hurts, I'm even more confused..I've been pointing people over to the side bar and the "new to seddit" post for months now...and only just recently actually sat down and read some of it. And, I think this is a good time to point out that the "new to seddit" post is way too complicated and huge. It covers shit that is way outside the scope of this reddit, and pulls in a lot of personal opinions of the compiler about what's important and core to the process...but someone with a lot of experience can see really isn't important in… | /r/seduction | 24/12/10 07:33 PM |
| 1 | Wounded Pride and Inner Game Recovery?Lifting boosts testosterone, but only if you're recovering fully after each lift. A lot of people way overdo it when lifting weights. Sets should be short, and close to as much weight as you can lift. You should recover for several days between lifts (possibly a week or more, if you're lifting for weight gain and lifting to failure every time). You can alternate body parts, if you want to keep the hormones flowing for weight gain...I think it's every three to four days. So, upper body and core o… | /r/seduction | 24/12/10 06:22 PM |
| 0 | Staying out of the boyfriend zoneRead my entire comment, please. The last paragraph, quoted, for your convenience: "All that said, don't string along a girl that wants a serious relationship. Cut her loose. There are plenty of girls who want something fun, something non-serious, and something exciting. Go find some of those." | /r/seduction | 24/12/10 08:55 AM |
| 4 | [FR] Going solo. Rough night turns into 1-hour F-close.It's not important. She'd already decided to have sex with him at the bar. He would have had to do something gross to alter that course. | /r/seduction | 24/12/10 01:22 AM |
| 1 | Wounded Pride and Inner Game Recovery?Yes, there does seem to be a mild testosterone peak. But that's not the only factor in being able to get it up on command. When you go a long period without an erection, you'll find it's harder to get one. If I go two weeks without sex or masturbation, I have difficulty getting really hard. This is mostly a factor for men past mid-20s, probably. If you're a kid in good shape, there's nothing physical to ever think about, probably. But, no, I don't necessarily think the Something About Mary appro… | /r/seduction | 24/12/10 01:05 AM |
| 1 | Staying out of the boyfriend zoneCall her less, and see her less often. Hang out with your friends more. Don't give her your weekends...maybe one day of the weekend if you really like her. Don't make longterm plans (like spending Christmas with her family, for instance). Don't bring up the L word (unless it's true). Change the subject when she starts doing any of those things. Don't treat her like a girlfriend, and she'll have no reason to believe you're her boyfriend. You will lose some girls because of this, but far fewer tha… | /r/seduction | 23/12/10 11:52 PM |
| 3 | Wounded Pride and Inner Game Recovery?This kind of thing will happen to you occasionally if you have a reasonable success rate. I don't make decisions about whether to see a girl again based on whether sex was successful or not; everybody has off days. I've actually had this sort of thing happen to me twice just in the past few weeks (though I've also gone months without having any such trouble in the past), and I saw both girls again...everything went as expected on the next go around and we had a good time. Another random thought:… | /r/seduction | 23/12/10 11:10 PM |
| 7 | [FR] Got slapped in the face, and it was awesome...Do not facebook stalk her. As far as I'm concerned there is no good way to approach on facebook...you missed your chance when you saw her in person. If she messages you on facebook, you can reply...but otherwise, I'd probably recommend you just hope to run into her again. | /r/seduction | 23/12/10 08:23 PM |
| 3 | [FR] First for a lot of thingsWhen going for same day lays, it's wise to leave the question open as to whether you're going to fuck when you get to your place. i.e. don't escalate to very intimate contact before you get there. No making out, no hand on crotch, etc. Just build attraction, ramp up "buying temperature", and then relocate. Lots of kino is fine...but it shouldn't be the sort that relieves sexual tension. Hand on crotch relieves tension, hand on the small of the back raises it, generally speaking. Likewise, kissin… | /r/seduction | 23/12/10 07:15 PM |
| 11 | I have some advice. Feel free to take it or notI don't think anyone who has been to a gay club is going to downvote, laugh, or scoff. They're definitely a great experience. They're also fun as hell. Teh gays definitely know how to have a good time. So, yeah, I think gay bars can be a great learning experience for straight guys. It can probably help those guys who are homophobes get over it a little bit. Being homophobic is deeply unattractive to most high quality women, and will make you extremely reactive with shit tests that question your … | /r/seduction | 23/12/10 07:04 PM |
| 2 | [FR] First for a lot of thingsI thought most women would assume that you're trying to murder them if you don't go out on a proper date first Limiting beliefs. You has them. Women will go home with you after 10 minutes, if the attraction is strong enough and if she wants to get laid that day. Sure, there are girls who have had bad experiences and are afraid to be so bold, and there are girls who have much stronger ASD, fear of STDs, and such. But, if you build strong enough attraction, and the girl is into you, there's nothin… | /r/seduction | 23/12/10 06:48 PM |
| 2 | [FR] First for a lot of thingsyour freezeout was obviously too emotionally loaded, and you came across as perhaps a bit too pouty. Agreed. A freezeout should be extremely subtle, or it looks reactive. The freezeout should look like you've grown a little bored of her at that moment. It's not a "OMG, I need to get laid or check my email!" situation. It's a, "Well, that was fun. What's next? I know, I'll check my email." kind of thing. Very nonchalant, very relaxed, and shouldn't appear be related to the girls behavior in any o… | /r/seduction | 23/12/10 06:37 PM |
| 3 | [fr] Failed thrice last night, with good solid resultsThis was a pretty good night, all things considered. You failed very well, and are to be commended. 'tis better to fail with an HB9 beautifully than succeed with an HB6, I always say (well, I don't always say it...that's actually the first time I've ever said it, but I mean it). "Bullshit, thats just an excuse to flirt with me" Money. So much green. The solution to kino, as you note, is to internalize it when it doesn't matter. When talking to friends, family, co-workers, random people, etc. The… | /r/seduction | 23/12/10 04:41 AM |
| 1 | FR: The one that got away just left my bed. THANK YOU SEDDIT!!!!You aren't taking my 12 steps seriously, are you? Because that might be a bad idea. Though I'm not actually sure of that, now that I think of it. The whole "higher power" thing seems to work well for recovering alcoholics...maybe it'd work for AFCs, too. You can call that higher power anything you want...but I loved Magnolia, and thought "Respect the cock!" was hilarious, and I don't believe in gods...so, I reckon I'll call my higher power the Cock. | /r/seduction | 23/12/10 03:15 AM |
| 4 | Need the seddit POV.but says she is not ready to date anyone right now That means she is not ready to date you right now. She'll date the next guy who comes along that pushes the right buttons. I just slept with a girl who had been "not dating anyone" (she explained to me the first night we met that she was "asexual" and was simply not into sex or dating) for over two years because of a sexual assault and a bad relationship and breakup that happened to her at about the same time (I heard this part of the story on t… | /r/seduction | 22/12/10 07:37 PM |
| 8 | FR: The one that got away just left my bed. THANK YOU SEDDIT!!!!I like to think of it as "hopeful" rather than "sad", since all the AFCs up in here are on the road to recovery. I think we're gonna need 12 steps. I've just had a vision of what those steps might look like: We admitted we were powerless over women—that our lives had become unmanageable. Came to believe that a Power greater than the pussy could restore us to sanity. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of the Cock as we understood it. Made a searching and fearless awes… | /r/seduction | 22/12/10 06:41 PM |
| 5 | What does she want?Doesn't matter what they want. What do you want? Do you want to dance close and get playful with her? Do it. Do you want to show her some really goofy move, and then tell her to reproduce it, laughing the whole time? Do it. Do you want to say, "I don't think you've got what it takes." with a sad nod and dismiss her with a wave of your hand? Do it (this would be money for an HB9+). Get out of the "What does she want?" mindset and start thinking, "What do I want?" and then bring her into that awes… | /r/seduction | 22/12/10 06:18 PM |
| 10 | FR: The one that got away just left my bed. THANK YOU SEDDIT!!!!Maybe we ought to start having AA (AFCs Anonymous) meetings up in here. "Hi, my name is intjpua, and I'm an AFC. It's been two months since I last acted like a Nice Guy and didn't get the girl." | /r/seduction | 22/12/10 04:59 PM |
| 4 | I need some advice from some pro-status sedditorsSo many things are wrong with your approach to meeting and attracting women. So, here's a bunch of random thoughts: Online dating is a backup plan. Start meeting girls in real life. Don't plan for a first date to be lunch or dinner. Always do coffee or drinks. It's quick, easy to escape from, and allows you to bounce to another venue if things are going well. The mindset of trying to line up a second date with the leverage of paying for lunch is a very dangerous mindset. Avoid "dating". You hang… | /r/seduction | 22/12/10 06:19 AM |
| 1 | Approachind during daygame, how much is enough?I don't think you should be hanging out for hours at one location; and you certainly shouldn't be using the same line multiple times in the same place. Go to a location that has many coffee shops, book stores, parks where people jog/walk/skate/congregate, museums, etc. and just wander around, opening anyone that strikes your fancy. | /r/seduction | 22/12/10 04:32 AM |
| 4 | What are the top five stories you always tell on a date?Hmmm...I don't really have anything I use every time, all the time, but there are a few that come up often enough to be a pattern: The story of an old friend's bizarre wedding (weddings are awesome story fodder; totally chick crack). It also has a few "DHV spikes", though I don't always get that far into the story. I actually have a couple of these. Stories about the places I've traveled recently. I travel a lot, so there are lots of these. Travel, all by itself, is a DHV. You don't have to do a… | /r/seduction | 21/12/10 11:33 PM |
| 10 | My secret weaponKnowing all of your bartenders is another extremely effective lifecheat. Pick your battles and your strategies. You can't use them all. | /r/seduction | 21/12/10 09:17 PM |
| 1 | Victoria's Secret Model: Ordinary Guys Don't Have a Chance to Get a Date With Us. (Haha. This could be the ultimate shit test)Which is why I think it's bad game. The girl may not get the intent of the question, which makes it a placating Nice Guy move in her mind ("this dork just asked me out" instead of "OMG, I can't believe this guy said I'm too skinny!"). If you don't know how well she interprets subtle cues like that and how she interprets guys approaching her, it's best to not be too subtle...I'd guess 50% of girls wouldn't catch the neg in this one. | /r/seduction | 21/12/10 09:09 PM |
| 3 | Opening by acknowledging one's anxiety: bad move?The guy who acknowledges his anxiety in the conversation will be treated more politely, on the whole by the women he approaches...but he will be far less likely to attract them. So, if you want to be treated politely, you can acknowledge your anxiety; you'll get much softer rejections, which may be useful in the beginning to get over your fear of rejection. But, you will far more rejections than if you fake it till you make it, with regards to confidence (you'll still get lots of rejections...if… | /r/seduction | 21/12/10 07:14 PM |
| 3 | "The Game" - Worth the read?The Game is a great choice for learning the gestalt of pickup. Everybody seems to want to heap piles of hate on it, but as a short, enjoyable foray into what the process of learning pickup looks like, you just can't beat it. It's well-written, which pretty much nothing else in the seduction literature is (in fact, most of it is barely literate shit), it's honest about the one-dimensional nature of some of the guys participating in it and the lack of knowledge many "experts" actually have, and it… | /r/seduction | 21/12/10 07:10 PM |
| 2 | Victoria's Secret Model: Ordinary Guys Don't Have a Chance to Get a Date With Us. (Haha. This could be the ultimate shit test)He's suggesting models don't eat enough. He's saying, "Hey, skinny bitch, let's put some food in you, and maybe then you'll be attractive enough for me." But saying it slightly more politely. It is not good game, though it's not the worst thing one could say in such a case...it's definitely a neg. | /r/seduction | 21/12/10 07:00 PM |
| 1 | How would you hit on a girl that everyone else is hitting on?You've never met size queens? They exist, and your target probably knows at least one or two, if she isn't one hereself. And even girls who aren't size queens are curious about big dicks. Nonetheless, it's a joke, and big dick jokes fine. I don't usually go sexual in conversation unless she's already done so. I've had a girl say in response to a "Well, maybe I play Magic:The Gathering all day every day, what do you think of that?" jokes, "Well, that depends on how big your cock is", and my reply… | /r/seduction | 21/12/10 06:53 PM |
| 2 | How would you hit on a girl that everyone else is hitting on?I think there is a slightly better variation on this theme...though I think this is a great direction to go in this situation, and it is roughly the way I play it in cases like this. I'll usually just say, "You poor thing..." after I see guys hitting on her (usually badly). I don't even ask her if she gets tired of it. I know she does because I know lots of girls in her situation (I don't say this, it's just implied). She may ask what I mean, or she may know immediately if the guy was really clu… | /r/seduction | 20/12/10 05:39 PM |
| 2 | Rating systemI'd also point out that the "rank to your taste" thing refers specifically to how hot you think she looks, and not in something you happen to know about her that you think is awesome. If you know she's a scientist, for example, and you think that's sexy, you can't factor that into the HB scale, because it's not obvious to every dude that sees her on the street. You're determining how you game her with the HB scale, rather than how much you'd like to date her. Some other things might contribute..… | /r/seduction | 19/12/10 07:16 PM |
| 6 | A question for any sober/straight edge Sedditors.You're going to the wrong places and hanging in the wrong social circles. That said, why do you want "party/scene girls" if you aren't a party/scene guy? If you aren't into the drug culture, why would you pursue girls who are involved in it? There are beautiful girls into all sorts of things, including things that don't involve drugs. I don't date girls who use hard drugs (pot and alcohol are fine by me, though I very rarely do either), and I never have trouble finding girls to hit on. I think y… | /r/seduction | 19/12/10 09:01 AM |
| 7 | TIL that a man "negging" is analgous to a woman performing a "shit test." [Short FR]"Sorry honey, I don't scare easy." wink This could be viewed as reactive and overcompensating, and will be by some women. I'd probably embrace and extend, something like this: "It's true. I'm very delicate. You'll be gentle, won't you?" With a big shit (test) eating grin and puppy dog eyes, maybe even cracking up with laughter if I'm having a good time. Sometimes the most confident thing to do is to obviously give them a bone. Basically, you reward them for playing the game well, just like you'd… | /r/seduction | 19/12/10 03:04 AM |
| 1 | Attention Seddit! It's time for a new moderator. Nominate/volunteer/vote here!I wasn't volunteering. ;) I'm happy to help out seddit any way I can, but frankly, I'm pretty unreliable. I travel all the time, and sometimes I'll go weeks without logging onto reddit. They don't have WiFi or 3G/4G data in a lot of places I travel. And, I agree on cheddar. I don't think anyone could possibly say a bad word against him here. He's just a really helpful, sincere, guy with a helluva lot of knowledge and a reasonable amount of experience. He's at the top of the list of people here I… | /r/seduction | 19/12/10 02:25 AM |
| 3 | TheUltimateDouche's guide on meeting girls on OKcupid, with case studies.Yeah, this is an unpolished variation on the asshole game theme. He's missing some key elements to actually take it to real life meetings and relationships, though. You need the "if only everyone else could see him like I do" factor, which is where you exhibit sensitivity at rare but key moments. You need the surprise factor, where you show you're not one-dimensional. The "I'm a fireman" thing that Fred_Flintstone mentioned is money. He also backs down when shit gets real...which blows the attra… | /r/seduction | 18/12/10 06:14 PM |
| 2 | Bar with a black eye!The simple truth is how you can play this in your favor. You're a volunteer, which is sweet. It's fighting, which is sexy and masculine. And, by being non-reactive about it, and laughing it off and still going out that night, you exhibit lots of cool alpha traits. And, of course, it's like peacocking without being a douche. Girls have an obvious reason they can talk to you if they're interested in you. TofuTofu has a great idea on weaving it into the conversation, and leaving the story unfinishe… | /r/seduction | 18/12/10 10:43 AM |
| 4 | Attention Seddit! It's time for a new moderator. Nominate/volunteer/vote here!Throwaway is memorable partly because he's louder and angrier than most folks here, which is not necessarily the best trait in a moderator. I think he's pretty knowledgeable, but I don't really think his temperament is right for moderation duty. The other two seem like good choices to me, especially cheddar. TofuTofu has great field reports, but isn't as active in comments outside of his own posts that I've noticed, so it's harder to say how he interacts with the community when he's not talking … | /r/seduction | 18/12/10 10:34 AM |
| 6 | Attention Seddit! It's time for a new moderator. Nominate/volunteer/vote here!I agree on cheddar; the guy's a champ. LesbianPUA seems too excited about moderation, which is slightly worrying (though I love her advice, and think she's absolutely great for the community). I don't care that she's female. She understands this stuff better than most folks here. But, moderation should be pretty much invisible and very lightly applied, which our current moderators have achieved, and it seems to have been that invisibility of moderation that made LesbianPUA start the campaign for… | /r/seduction | 18/12/10 10:27 AM |
| 3 | Gaming a girl and she picks up her phone......If there are other people in the set, talk to them. If not, I'd simply walk away and start another conversation. | /r/seduction | 14/12/10 06:37 PM |
| 2 | In defense of Mystery-Style opinion openers: If she hasn't heard one [novelty=good], they really work as part of PU, and you DHV under-the-guy-group-radar. She will reject you if she's heard it; but who cares?Does he? I'm surprised to hear that. I see The Game recommended all the time, and I recommend it myself all the time. If someone is suggesting Style doesn't have a lot to offer the community, they're definitely wrong. Nonetheless, it's not productive to think of yourself as an "opinion opener" kind of PUA or a "direct game" kind of PUA. And Style's recent open letter to the community even calls out this sort of thinking for what it is: A lack of understanding. It's not useful to think that becau… | /r/seduction | 13/12/10 11:09 PM |
| 10 | In defense of Mystery-Style opinion openers: If she hasn't heard one [novelty=good], they really work as part of PU, and you DHV under-the-guy-group-radar. She will reject you if she's heard it; but who cares?I don't think anyone here has suggested opinion openers are bad. Your problem with your guy friends and such is that...well, it sounds like maybe you think "be an asshole" is the same as "be an alpha". The net result of your practice and reading should be that everyone likes hanging out with you more. You should be fun to be around, interesting to talk to, empathetic but never dragged down by negativity, and bold enough to talk to strangers. If you're chasing your friends off or pissing off guys… | /r/seduction | 13/12/10 08:48 PM |
| 3 | Share some of the openers you used under the 3 second rule.It doesn't hurt to be seen speaking to everybody in the club. As long as you're making people laugh, smile, whatever, a good amount of the time, it's a net positive to be a social butterfly. You definitely don't want to be seen walking up to every girl in the room and then slinking away defeated, but you're presenting a false dichotomy. If you're having fun, it's never bad to talk to more people. | /r/seduction | 13/12/10 05:12 PM |
| 3 | A modest proposalThere is a wiki. Look over there! --> | /r/seduction | 09/12/10 10:12 PM |
| 2 | Menu suggestions for the cook-together dateI'll make something I'm familiar with, so I don't need to check the recipe much, or at all. You should prepare a variety of foods, mostly fresh and homemade (so don't pull stuff out of the freezer or dump it out of a can; chop your own veggies, make your own sauces, etc.). So, keep that in mind when deciding what to cook...if your sauce takes all day to simmer, you're putting too much effort in before the girl gets there. I like to have a bit of variety, particularly if I'm making something weir… | /r/seduction | 07/12/10 01:41 AM |
| 1 | Gentlemen of higher moral fibre, how do you deal with aggressive and rude AMOGs?but what if he had started dancing along with him? Much hilarity would have ensued. Relevant. | /r/seduction | 06/12/10 05:54 AM |
| 1 | Gentlemen of higher moral fibre, how do you deal with aggressive and rude AMOGs?I don't think it's all that bad of a choice, actually. The guy backed down...so, OP wins. It is usually better to extract from those situations with more subtlety, because at some point some guys are going to punch you in the face (even if you win a fight it's bad game to get into one), but if the guy wasn't taking subtle hints, what are you gonna do? | /r/seduction | 05/12/10 09:44 PM |
| 3 | [FR] The Kino Tipping PointAsk her name when you punch her number into your phone ("I should probably know your name by now, shouldn't I? But, I don't."). Or hand her the phone and let her enter it. If she has a hard time with the phone, it's an opportunity for playful teasing and a bit of kino. Don't be embarrassed to ask her name. It just shows you weren't paying any attention to her earlier in the night, but now she's worth your time because she's shown that she's cool. I felt like I didn't have good reasons for leavin… | /r/seduction | 05/12/10 08:05 PM |
| 4 | Failing my way into an awesome night [FR]That's not terrible. But, I think it's too complimentary this early on. In this case she just said the guy looked like a sissy (which is fine, it just means she wants to test your mettle), so you probably shouldn't respond with a compliment ("we look good" includes her in the looking good). Mouthpiece has a solid reply, as does ThrowawayPUA. I'll probably borrow their idea if I ever get this kind of shit test. If I had to come up with my own, I'd gay it up, and go something like, "I know I'm fab… | /r/seduction | 04/12/10 09:56 PM |
| 7 | Failing my way into an awesome night [FR]I would've probably blatantly sexualized it with something like 'Let me take you to my place and I'll prove otherwise. All night long.' Reactive. This would be a shit test failure. Might not break the attraction, but there are much better ways to handle it. Being homophobic is unattractive to the vast majority of women in modern metropolitan areas, so even if you are scared of being perceived as gay you need to get over it. | /r/seduction | 04/12/10 05:07 PM |
| 3 | How teasing can you help you be a nice guy later.It's not about being too good, or doubt and insecurity. It's about flipping the script. Girls know that love is supposed to play out like in the romantic comedies with the guy chasing the girl and doing huge romantic acts to impress her (think Say Anything John Cusack with the boombox). When you flip the script, she has no idea what's happening, because it's not like anything she's supposed to like...but she knows loves it. | /r/seduction | 03/12/10 06:52 PM |
| 50 | How teasing can you help you be a nice guy later."I don't know why I like you" When they say this, it means you've done damned near everything right. | /r/seduction | 03/12/10 03:12 AM |
| 25 | Are you an INTJ pua? How did you become awesome?You rang? I've talked about it my journey to being pretty good at meeting and attracting women in the past, but I'll briefly discuss the highpoints here. I started working a job that put me in front of hundreds of people spread over a weekend. This gave me a huge number of data points, and tons of practice. When I do these events, I make a conscious effort to be the most awesome, dynamic, and interesting person those folks meet. I don't always achieve that, but having so much data gathered in su… | /r/seduction | 02/12/10 07:06 PM |
| 3 | 12,000+ sedditors. Where are all the quality FRs?Where are all the PUAs who are going out 5 nights a week? Surely you must have some epic tales to tell! While I'm sure that much practice would make for rapid progress, I don't know that most of the folks here are willing or able to put pickup progress above all other aspects of life. I go out once or twice a week at night, and maybe once a week I'll meet someone in day game during my usual errands. But, I do want to see more field reports. They're the most valuable aspect of a community of peop… | /r/seduction | 02/12/10 06:10 AM |
| 2 | Seddit, I just heard my ex-girlfriend being banged by another guy. Help me. Give me strength.Blah blah blah, I'm a special snowflake, and no one has ever known pain like I know pain, blah blah blah. Man up. Did you honestly expect a college relationship to last? 99% of them don't. Get over it. Go meet more girls. | /r/seduction | 01/12/10 04:48 PM |
| 2 | How do you dress for clubs?I dress however I feel like dressing, but always pretty darned casual. One of my best nights out, ever, was when I was wearing an old T-shirt, ridiculous plaid shorts, cheap canvas shoes from Target, I needed a haircut, and hadn't trimmed my beard in a week. I was basically as scruffy as I ever look. That said, I think you should dress at a similar level to the girl you're pursuing. If they dress up, so should you. The kind of bars I frequent are casual neighborhood affairs frequented by hipster… | /r/seduction | 01/12/10 05:18 AM |
| 2 | The hunt for Dreamboat NovemberHe doesn't sound very much like a player to me, but good looking guys get quite a bit of tail just by virtue of being hot, so he may not have to play the game very aggressively to get all the women he wants in his life. But, as RedErin pointed out, a good PUA doesn't act like a PUA in any way you could distinguish from a "really cool guy". If he wants you, you putting out on day one wouldn't be mandatory to keep him coming back. A player, particularly a good looking one, can get laid when he wan… | /r/seduction | 30/11/10 11:03 PM |
| 2 | Advice about a friends ex who is kind of two sidedIck. Don't chew. It's a disgusting habit, and will chase off the best girls. Even those that smoke are likely to be turned off by chew. But, otherwise, I would assume you're smart enough to not get the life sucked out of you. If she turns you on, then have fun. If not, go find other girls; there are millions of them. | /r/seduction | 30/11/10 09:50 PM |
| 1 | My girl is DTF, but not much elseI establish it very early on, before we reach the bedroom, that I like girls that are fun in bed. If she says anything I could interpret as being prudish, I'll use it to push/pull, "Are you one of those polite girls that's all 'ew!' about anything other than missionary position once a week? You are, aren't you? We're never gonna work out. I like adventurous girls." Some girls are obviously freaks in the sack, and you don't need to do anything; just be aggressive and ask for what you like. Some g… | /r/seduction | 30/11/10 08:59 PM |
| 1 | [FR] How to tell if she is into me or friend-zoning me?What type of questions are safe to ask for those responses? Words! Stop trying to use words! There is no question. Stop looking for it. | /r/seduction | 30/11/10 08:17 PM |
| 1 | [FR] How to tell if she is into me or friend-zoning me?It should be in your attitude. Don't be shy about mentioning girls you've dated in the past, including recent past (like last weekend). It should be apparent to her that you have options, and you're selective about who you spend your time with. But, you don't need to make a big deal out of seeing other people. If you are seeing other people, it will show in your attitude and your schedule and how you communicate with women. Being a player is not a negative thing, despite what girls say. But, if … | /r/seduction | 30/11/10 08:16 PM |
| 1 | [FR] How to tell if she is into me or friend-zoning me?They'll know, based on your attitude of abundance. ;) This seems glib, but every girl I'm dating knew from very early that I was dating other people...I never said so, explicitly, but they all knew. When you honestly have a busy schedule, you don't call a girl every day or chatter on with her on IM like her BFF, there is a scarcity that makes it clear that your time is valuable and in-demand. This is another reason to keep dates short (except when they end in sex), and not more than once or twic… | /r/seduction | 30/11/10 08:09 PM |
| 1 | [FR] How to tell if she is into me or friend-zoning me?There must be something I can say in order to get a subtle response that I can judge. Whenever you find yourself thinking, "There must be something I can say here that is the right thing for whatever I want to happen next," it means you have the wrong mindset. There is no secret question or phrase that will advance the seduction. There never is. It's the attitude, the confidence, the assertiveness, and the detachment from outcomes, that wins the girl. It's not the words you say. In your case, sh… | /r/seduction | 30/11/10 08:05 PM |
| 5 | AskReddit survey results - "Women of reddit: How often are you approached by men and how does it make you feel?"If only we had some sort of rating system...perhaps a scale from 1 to 10 (AH1, for example, is the least asshole a guy can be, while AH10 is a rampaging asshole; I suspect the most successful PUAs are somewhere in the 3-8 range). | /r/seduction | 30/11/10 06:51 PM |
| 5 | Asked girl to dance, but I'd rather take a different girl. What do?I don't understand the problem. Your formal is on Friday. You have three days between now and then to take out the other girl. Take the girl you invited to the formal, just as planned, and take the other girl out for something else before or after. No big deal. The point of game is to give you options. You now have options. It worked! Enjoy it. | /r/seduction | 30/11/10 12:54 AM |
| 1 | Trying to get with a 9, but she is hesitant to meet because she knowsIi slept with her two roommates.Why do you think it's an obstacle? Have you actually asked her to meet you for drinks and she turned you down? I suspect it's not going to be a problem getting her to meet you. | /r/seduction | 29/11/10 06:17 PM |
| 1 | Trying to get with a 9, but she is hesitant to meet because she knowsIi slept with her two roommates.I would probably joke about it in some way. Delightful_White seems to have good mojo on this topic. I'm feeling pretty good about his advice. I don't usually get girls acting sneaky about it...I'm seeing two girls in the same neighborhood, and they know each other, and I started seeing them within a week of one another, and we even all hang out together sometimes. It's not weird, but they never thought I was gonna be their steady monogamous boyfriend, so it doesn't come up as a "he's mine" kind … | /r/seduction | 29/11/10 05:54 PM |
| 5 | Trying to get with a 9, but she is hesitant to meet because she knowsIi slept with her two roommates.This skirts very close to trying to logic her into doing what you want. Logic is almost always the wrong path. I'm not sure what's better...but, I'm pretty sure this is a dangerous option. It might work, but logic always seems to go wrong. | /r/seduction | 29/11/10 08:17 AM |
| 6 | [FR] Messed up, salvageable?So, here's where you messed up: You believed that being seen with another woman would hurt your chances with the first. This fucked up your game entirely and you acted like you got caught doing something naughty. I'd probably send her a short, friendly text to see when she'll be back in town. Don't chatter on like a 12 year old girl with her when she replies...keep it short and simple, something like: "Hey when are you back in town-name?" "I get back Monday, but I've got blah blah blah." "Cool. … | /r/seduction | 28/11/10 10:08 PM |
| 1 | Recovering from coming on too strongYour problem description is pretty vague. What do you mean by "coming on too strong"? If you're coming on to her the right way, I think it's almost impossible for it to be too strong. Aggressiveness works. But, if your calibration is off and she just doesn't like you and you didn't recognize that, then there's not much to be done about it. She's not the girl for you. You should move on. That said, here's some tips for post-rejection interactions with girls: Never act embarrassed. Don't act like … | /r/seduction | 28/11/10 06:47 PM |
| 10 | How far acquainted does one have to be to ask a girl out?You have badly mistaken ideas. The more you know a girl before ramping up attraction and being bold, the more likely she views you as a friend, and not a sexual option. Being a girls close friend is not the way into her pants. Becoming closer with her will not make her more likely to go out with you; it will make her less likely to go out with you. (It happens, especially among kids with tight-knit cliques, but it's still not the best way for a guy who wants a girl to go about it.) Here's what I… | /r/seduction | 28/11/10 05:28 PM |
| 6 | Looking for Compliance Test materialAnything that is you doing something to trigger different than normal behavior in the girl is a "compliance test". If she does what you want, then the result is positive, and it means keep going. Tell her to give you a hug. Take her hand. Drag her somewhere else. Put your hand briefly on her knee or leg or shoulder or arm or across her lower back and hip. Pet her. Tell her to do something. Pull her pigtails. Verbally, it's just a matter of how polite she's being. If she's still giving you shit t… | /r/seduction | 28/11/10 05:59 AM |
| 2 | She invited her dad along...Maybe he just really likes old movies. | /r/seduction | 28/11/10 05:04 AM |
| 2 | How do you talk to a girl when you have nothing to say?My thinking on DHV stories has evolved over the past couple of years that I've been learning this stuff. When I think back on when I used DHV stories, I can see in hindsight that I already had the girl. The DHV was just filling time, it wasn't building attraction. I could have gone for the number or the kiss or the lay before the story happened, and it would have worked fine. I think, honestly, the concept of a DHV story is another useful crutch, and not a way to build attraction in and of itsel… | /r/seduction | 28/11/10 04:22 AM |
| 2 | so... a girl who asked ME out, just flaked.advice noted, but I think i left out some pertinent info that gives a clearer picture of the situation. You're not getting it. cheddarchexmix has dropped some mighty wisdom on your ass. Just take it and use it. Don't argue that he doesn't get the situation. He gets a whole lot more about it than you do at this point. You can come back and thank him in six months once you have a handle on this stuff, and you understand why he is so right about everything he said. ;) didn't throw in dive bar bit, … | /r/seduction | 27/11/10 10:58 PM |
| 4 | Self Deprecating HumorI take all PUA/seduction expert advice with a grain of salt. They're all self-proclaimed...so, it's impossible to know how much they really know about the subject. And, this blanket statement conflicts with what other self-proclaimed experts say on the subject (Magic Bullets quote provided by Mat_Cauthon for an example of countering opinion). But, again, if it's the default brand of humor someone is using, it ought to be killed off for a while, because it is a problem if you're using it to make … | /r/seduction | 27/11/10 10:48 PM |
| 1 | FR Gaming a girl for whom taking it slow is a way of life...what do I do to step up the pace?The next time she shuts you down with kino, or tells you "Let's just hang out," you should stick to your normal practice: escalate to no. Agreed. Nothing else is a useful result, and leads to me trying to figure out what the fuck is going on, like an AFC. But, I haven't totally reverted to AFC, since I'm still seeing other girls. I've sent her the invite to come hang out at my place tonight, so we'll see what comes of it, if she accepts. I definitely won't back off of the escalation this time un… | /r/seduction | 27/11/10 08:41 PM |
| 4 | Self Deprecating HumorI think self-deprecation should only happen in areas where you know the girl has a very high opinion of you. I make jokes about my intelligence all the time with girls who know a few things about me (like my work history and such), because I'm well above average intelligence, and they may even be intimidated by it. It's an area where girls try to qualify themselves to me, so I know it's an area that's safe to poke fun at myself about. I'll also make self-deprecating jokes about my living situati… | /r/seduction | 27/11/10 08:12 PM |
| 4 | What mistakes do you still make?I also have problems with eye contact early in the night, and with the hottest girls. I sometimes over-game the hottest girls and it comes off reactive. I opened a set with an 8 and a 9 recently, and the 9 started bossing me around immediately...I knew enough not to do as she said, but I came off reactive anyway with a, "What am I? Your dancing monkey?" Better response would probably have been to switch focus completely to the 8, with a "Your friend is bossy. Anyway, so as i was saying, the blah… | /r/seduction | 27/11/10 07:51 PM |
| 5 | How do you talk to a girl when you have nothing to say?Sometimes you sound like it's really important to constantly be rattling off "DHV stories" You haven't read me very clearly. In several threads over the past few days I talk about how I think doing intentional DHV stories tends to be a negative. I am actively opposed to the whole "DHV stories" concept, and have said so on numerous occasions. I'm also extremely opposed to canned materials, beyond your first few weeks learning pickup and getting over AA and other newbie issues. Wouldn't you prefer… | /r/seduction | 27/11/10 07:40 PM |
| 11 | How do you talk to a girl when you have nothing to say?Your question is vague. Do you mean "how do I open a girl when I have nothing to say?" or "how do a I continue the conversation after opening?" I'll assume the latter, since the former can be answered with, "Hey, how's it going?" Be more interesting. Get some more stuff going on in your life; it really does do wonders for conversation. When you went out with friends that week, went to a class and learned something interesting, and participated in some sort of volunteer activity or sport or commu… | /r/seduction | 27/11/10 06:28 PM |
| 2 | When to stop trying with a girl and move on?I will take your advice and escalate until near-rejection. My advice is to escalate to actual rejection, because nothing else is useful data. Aggressiveness, with recognition of how the girl is responding, is generally the best policy. I honestly don't understand your attitude in conjunction with the fact that you are going on date #3 without a single kiss. What if that happens to me? I'm patient but I don't know how to determine if she wants me as a friend or lover. I think it comes down to cal… | /r/seduction | 27/11/10 05:37 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Texting GameMy feelings on the DHV question have evolved since I've been learning about this stuff. I now believe that women will judge your value almost entirely on how you value yourself, and not on what kind of stories you tell or what kind of elaborate schemes to exhibit your popularity you conceive; and it works in the absence of outside evidence (though social proof is definitely very valuable in seduction, you can still come across as high value with zero social proof and without ever telling a singl… | /r/seduction | 27/11/10 05:16 PM |
| 8 | [FR] Texting GameYou talk way too fucking much via text, and your weak frame and uninteresting life shows through. Here's what the entire conversation should have looked like: Me: Hey come down tomorrow for some cake and Xbox :D Her: Haha I might be hanging with Bob tomorrow =P I'll let you know though Me: Meh. Tell Bob I said "Hi". I'll text you next week. Invite the next girl on your list for cake and XBox. First girl will text you a reply, which you will ignore. She'll probably also text you the next day, but… | /r/seduction | 27/11/10 08:02 AM |
| 6 | When to stop trying with a girl and move on?If the chemistry is weak, I wouldn't give her a Saturday night. Maybe a Sunday afternoon, if she can't do weeknights for some reason. I next girls when I get bored of them, regardless of the question of sex. I just posted a FR/question about a girl I'm having a hard time with, who I've gotten together with twice, and spent about ten hours with; and we also haven't even kissed yet (which is extraordinarily rare for me at this point; these days I usually have sex on the first date, and with only t… | /r/seduction | 27/11/10 07:45 AM |
| 2 | Any information on how to handle different personality types?I've been surprised to find that personality types pretty much don't matter, beyond having some basic calibration to know when your actions might push her too far out of her comfort zone. For example, some very shy, introverted, girls don't like to dance, and would be freaked out by being dragged out to the dance floor. Or, some girls will need you to be more outgoing than her...and some girls are very outgoing, so you have to be a notch above that. But, these are issues of calibration, and not … | /r/seduction | 27/11/10 03:45 AM |
| 3 | Mindset for being non-reactive?Clooney and Craig Ferguson are my inspirational celebrities. Clooney for his comfortable alpha vibe, and Ferguson for his cocky, funny, sexy, banter. Both are super comfortable in their skin and comfortable letting conversations happen organically and embracing even the uncomfortable moments. Non-reactivity comes from being unattached to outcomes and having an attitude of abundance. But, practice is required to internalize it. I've recently achieved enlightenment on this point, and find that I'm… | /r/seduction | 27/11/10 12:40 AM |
| 2 | FR Gaming a girl for whom taking it slow is a way of life...what do I do to step up the pace?Yeah, you're probably right. I actually had nexted her after that first hang out didn't go anywhere...and then she asked me out again ten days later. And since I really do find something about her really alluring, I figured I'd give it another shot. Unfortunately, now I'm kinda hooked on her. I'm gonna invite her over to cook tomorrow...if that doesn't get her out of her pants, nothing will. And, I'll still have the evening to go out with friends and meet someone new if things don't go anywhere,… | /r/seduction | 27/11/10 12:25 AM |
| 1 | Date ideas for getting out of the friend zone?Congratulations. You went from the Friend Zone into the Friend Zone. I was sort of skimming this thread and came upon this, which made me laugh out loud. And then I backtracked to read what lead to it. And then I laughed even more. I think I might have even cried a little. It's all so sad that I have to laugh. I regret that I have but one upboat to give you. | /r/seduction | 26/11/10 10:30 PM |
| 1 | Date ideas for getting out of the friend zone?Did you tell her how you feel? You must be new here. | /r/seduction | 26/11/10 10:25 PM |
| 2 | so did i mess everything up?You earned a second chance. There are guys on here better than I at text/phone game, but basically, you need to start building sexual tension ASAP. That means be creative, spontaneous, unpredictable, confident, bold, and playful. Don't try to seduce via text. It is too low-bandwidth, and escalating via text is weak. While a double entendre in person is bold, when you do it via text it's just creepy and try-hard. Text is for saying stuff like: "Hey, I'm gonna be downtown tomorrow. Meet me for dri… | /r/seduction | 26/11/10 10:12 PM |
| 3 | FR: opening the friendI think it may be an attention issue, I was giving my attention to the brunette and the red head got jealous so she intervened? Yes. | /r/seduction | 26/11/10 09:12 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Seddit Married Man Challenge, Night 1Hehehe...We're not picking on you. We're pulling for you. You're doing fine. Keep practicing, keep playing and having fun with it. Keep laughing off your mistakes. And all will come out fine in the end. | /r/seduction | 26/11/10 08:13 PM |
| 3 | DAE find traditionally hot women (aka 9-10's) mostly unbearable?The 1-10 scale is only about physical attractiveness. If you want other factors to be under consideration for who you date, that's fine. But, when a girl is a "10" it means she is physically pretty much as beautiful as it is possible for a woman to be (and she's probably a movie star or a supermodel). The point of the scale is so that a guy knows what sort of game to run for maximum effectiveness. You can't run "normal girl" game on a girl who has been hit on 50 times that day. Likewise, no matt… | /r/seduction | 26/11/10 08:32 AM |
| 6 | [FR] Seddit Married Man Challenge, Night 1Still, things like "Wear your blue dress" probably didn't even occur to the OP because he just doesn't know how to be dominant. They didn't have to occur to him. I told him to say that in his previous thread. He just didn't believe me, and decided to wing it...to less than stellar results. ;) But, practice makes perfect. It might be a little tougher in an existing relationship, with existing power dynamics. At least he has his whole life to get it right (assuming she and he both really meant it … | /r/seduction | 25/11/10 01:33 AM |
| 7 | [FR] Seddit Married Man Challenge, Night 1The same way you get to Carnegie Hall: Practice, practice, practice. | /r/seduction | 25/11/10 01:29 AM |
| 19 | [FR] Seddit Married Man Challenge, Night 1Towards the end of the evening, I simply said to her "I'm going to give you 15 minutes to go upstairs and prepare yourself for me." This was where individual differences between the global of the PUA world and my life began to show. I think I'm the one that convinced you to get more dominant. But I think you missed some of the subtleties of that plan. Saying, "prepare yourself for me" is creepy, not dominant, in this context, and isn't really like any of the stuff I suggested. You can't go all S… | /r/seduction | 24/11/10 09:55 PM |
| 3 | Not sure if this belongs here but...I'm in my mid-30s and I regularly date girls down to about 23. Age isn't all that relevant. She might make it a big deal...and it is unfortunate that you're not old enough for bars and such. But, don't sweat the age thing. The real problem is distance. That's a serious problem. You can't have a serious relationship with a woman you can't see regularly. Date other girls. Enjoy it when/if you can see her, but don't get too hung up on her. | /r/seduction | 24/11/10 04:32 AM |
| 7 | Dating a girl that is completely different from normal, need advice.She is not completely different from normal. You're just using that as an excuse to not to the things you know need doing to build attraction. Every couple of days someone shows up on seddit saying, "Oh, but this girl is different. She's shy/reserved/quiet/sensitive!" It's pretty much always that the guy posting is projecting...he's feeling shy/reserved/quiet/sensitive and is putting it onto the girl he has a crush on. You should read about escalation and kino, push/pull, and get your head strai… | /r/seduction | 24/11/10 03:31 AM |
| 3 | Seducing with herpesTake the necessary precautions to drop the transmission rate to 0.015% (even PUAs take a long time to have sex 10,000 times - and that number is backed up by actual scientific data) The study you're referencing has a couple of significant flaws for use in the context of ONS and multiple partner relationships. Here's the most important flaw: "A previous study has shown that the median duration of relationship prior to acquisition of genital herpes is 3 months. Thus, the period in a relationship o… | /r/seduction | 23/11/10 11:57 PM |
| 16 | Seducing with herpesAlso, the chance of contracting it after ONE encounter, like during a one-night stand, is so tiny that it leaves the temptation to omit telling them. This is the situation that has the most potential for widespread harm. People who have one-night-stands tend to have a lot of partners. If your partner is infected during your encounter (and the odds are not as tiny as you're making out; it is a very contagious disease when the virus is active, and it is not always obviously symptomatic), they may … | /r/seduction | 23/11/10 07:10 PM |
| 29 | Seducing with herpesI've never had an STD, but I have been in relationships with girls that had genital herpes, as well as cold sores. I'm extremely paranoid about STDs, so I practically have a degree in the subject. You should always disclose STDs before becoming intimate. Yes, it will hurt your lay rate, but you'll find a few girls also have it and were just afraid to admit it. It is quite common. Some stuff you ought to be able to discuss with your partners: Where is your infection and which strain is it? Are yo… | /r/seduction | 23/11/10 07:04 PM |
| 6 | A Challenge to Seddit: Advice for Married, Faithful MenIs what you're saying that the enthusiasm will come with being dominated? Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying, though again, it depends greatly on your particular girl. You know her better than anyone, so you should be able to read the signs. So look for the normal verbal cues and whatever other indicators she has for "I'm happy with this" or "I'm uncomfortable with this". Also, the pussy never lies, check to see how wet she is...if she's damned near dripping wet, you're doing it right, or at le… | /r/seduction | 23/11/10 05:22 PM |
| 4 | Can't tell if she's interested... how would you read this?You're too needy. Stop doing this: but in between I barely hear from her. She doesn't really text - our text conversations involve me asking something, and her responding. I've always initiated them. I also did the normal follow-up call after the dates, which seemed to go okay. However, when scheduling dates she often had conflicts and didn't really suggest alternatives. It was sort of me going "Tuesday? How about Wednesday? Friday? Alright sounds good." All of this is problematic, and will hurt… | /r/seduction | 23/11/10 04:46 AM |
| 4 | A Challenge to Seddit: Advice for Married, Faithful MenNow, here's another part of the problem. It seems like I'm starting to move towards some of the alpha-ness at home, but in the bedroom is a different story. That's even more difficult. I don't know how to be flirty in a serious, mature way. I don't know how to truly seduce her, and never have. It's actually a lot like the day-to-day game stuff, so when the right attitude has been internalized, you'll do the right thing most of the time. Always be giving, but just as importantly, always be taking… | /r/seduction | 23/11/10 03:49 AM |
| 32 | A Challenge to Seddit: Advice for Married, Faithful MenGame definitely applies in long-term relationships, and it's even very similar, though the execution comes out differently when you see the woman every day. Here's where I'd start: Do you have a man's night out with your buddies? Poker, drinks, bowling, sports, music, whatever. If not, start now. Man time is important to keeping your relationship with women (or a woman) in balance. Use this time to flirt with other women, playfully. Don't get frisky, just charge yourself up a little to remind yo… | /r/seduction | 23/11/10 12:29 AM |
| 6 | Looking for advice with an older WomanOn the day she said, "I was hoping I'd get to see you again", you should have pulled out your phone and said, "Well, let me get your number, and we'll make sure to see each other again later when we can talk more." with a cocky smile. But, since you didn't, you can still do it. Just make sure you're flirty, eye contact, etc. Ask her how she's been, whatever. And secure the digits. There's not really a lot of game you can do in such a circumstance. You just kinda have to rely on natural attractio… | /r/seduction | 22/11/10 07:45 PM |
| 2 | Semi-FR with advice needed.I've been in this situation a couple of times. I don't mind being DD, since I almost never drink more than a couple of beers a night, and I'm even perfectly content to not drink, at all. The best option if you want to get laid that night is to build lots of attraction, have a lot of fun, make sure everyone else is having a lot of fun, and then roll the whole party back to your place when the bars start winding down. You can then sneak off with your target for some one-on-one time. Another option… | /r/seduction | 22/11/10 07:15 PM |
| 2 | Upcoming date and I've got some doubtsYour attitude is wrong on a few levels, and it's hurting your game. First up, as others have mentioned, you're sort of unintentionally doing a lot of push/pull in abrupt huge gestures, rather than the subtle attraction building tactics that is usually recommended. Doing it in this big way breaks comfort and rapport. It may continue to build attraction, but sex usually requires comfort, too (unless the girl just really wants to get laid and doesn't care a lot about who it's with; young girls, in … | /r/seduction | 22/11/10 05:48 PM |
| 5 | I'm doing it wrong. Girls know/think I just want to sleep with them.As I mentioned, there's extensive shit test literature. You'll want to familiarize yourself with it. The response should be non-reactive...so challenging her is obviously wrong. Ignoring it completely is perfectly valid, though I tend to take a different route and say something funny instead. You can make a joke, you can absurdify it (if she makes fun of your shoes, for instance, "I know, these are the cheapest shoes ever. I can't believe they even let me in this place. I'm never coming here aga… | /r/seduction | 22/11/10 08:35 AM |
| 5 | I'm doing it wrong. Girls know/think I just want to sleep with them.What sort of 'flirting' is 'safe'? I try to only stick with 'innuendo' rather than anything too directly sexual. When is it safe to flirt about directly sexual topics? Any kind of flirting is safe at the right time with the right girl when you're in the right state of mind. You're practicing so that you can recognize those girls, those times, and so that you'll be able to achieve that state of mind more often. When a girl says/does something 'aggressive', 'heated', or 'talks shit' in a shit-test… | /r/seduction | 22/11/10 07:40 AM |
| 1 | Redditors really need your help. Too many people are alone, but just seem to lack some confidence and skills. (I'm not endorsing Pickup artistry, but just teaching some people how to have some confidence in themselves)Yep, I learned my lesson a couple days ago. I will never mention /r/seduction outside of /r/seduction again. It's just not worth my time. I want to help the guys who are really having a hard time, but life is short, and I'm not going to spend it answering flames from trolls. | /r/seduction | 22/11/10 05:54 AM |
| 2 | I need help from you guys' perspective. I posted this on ask reddit but left out the sexuality part...Is she your friend? Then it is your responsibility to be her friend. What that entails is up to you to decide. | /r/seduction | 22/11/10 01:09 AM |
| 5 | What nonalcoholic drinks can I order?It doesn't matter. Don't be self-conscious about it, and you can drink anything you want. I drink water a huge percentage of the time, and rarely have more than two beers a night. It doesn't effect how girls respond, if you don't act like it should. I was at a bar last night that had a water cooler and tiny little cups. I was in my sober up hour, since I was driving (on nights when I'm driving, I'll have one or fewer drinks per hour, and then at least an hour of no drinking before closing time),… | /r/seduction | 21/11/10 08:07 PM |
| 1 | Rejected or postponed?OK, that's fine then. If you want to spend your Friday night with her, accept the invite. I've already made some comments elsewhere in the thread about some things you ought to change up a bit for your next date (new venues, in particular). | /r/seduction | 21/11/10 07:18 PM |
| 1 | Rejected or postponed?Here's where it sounds like things are going wrong: You're obviously chasing her, rather than having a playful back and forth where she chases you some. She's asking you out, so she will chase, if you give her the chance to do so. Don't think of the escalation ladder as a...umm...ladder. It's making you think that if you touch all the steps, you'll just keep chugging along toward your goal of being in her pants. But, that's not the way it really works. You need to get some push/pull in there. Yo… | /r/seduction | 21/11/10 07:15 PM |
| 1 | Rejected or postponed?To avoid losing the attraction, should I be less available to her? I mean, for example, not to be online so long, or decline some of her invitations. I do generally recommend avoiding chattering online a lot with a girl you haven't slept with. It's really easy for attraction to wane. Also, why is she the one always inviting you out? Why aren't you taking the initiative on that? I mean, it's a really good sign that she's inviting you out...it's a huge IOI. But, it's also more attractive for most … | /r/seduction | 21/11/10 07:05 PM |
| 17 | [FR] STRANGE date from okcupid, need advice!OK, so everyone is calling here crazy. But, that's not what my instinct is telling me on this one (and my instincts for this kind of girl are pretty good). You have found a girl that likes it rough. She wants you to be dominant, aggressive, and she probably wants you to call her things like "slut" and "whore" while you fuck her. She got rough because she wants you to get rough. I wasn't certain of this, until she called you back...you could have told her (not asked her) to come back to your plac… | /r/seduction | 21/11/10 10:44 AM |
| 1 | Went to a party. Host kills it by putting on a movie.If he didn't know the movie was incoming, he probably wouldn't have been prepared for a venue change with any of the girls. 20 minutes is not a lot of time to build up to a venue change. But, I would have at least given it a shot. Just grab the attention of your target or targets, and say, "I've seen it, it's not that good. Y'all wanna go for a walk?" I would also give the host shit for throwing a lame movie night rather than a proper goddamned party. | /r/seduction | 20/11/10 11:56 PM |
| 1 | r/seduction, I have a very time sensitive question about a girl...OK. Go for it. Let us know how it turns out. | /r/seduction | 20/11/10 10:39 PM |
| 2 | What do people think of "The A Game" by Logan Edwards?Meh. I bought it pretty early on in my PUA journey...read it a month or two later, and found that I'd already learned everything it had to offer from random online browsing and reading. It's definitely not high on my list of recommendations. It's a reasonable overview, but it's poorly written (as almost everything in PUA literature is, except The Game), and is definitely not cutting edge material. It's pretty much the basics as taught by all the major PUA experts. You'd be better off spending an… | /r/seduction | 20/11/10 07:55 PM |
| 1 | FR: My dog, best wingman ever, worst wingman everI give my dog a big rawhide chew to work on. That keeps her busy until the girl and I are headed for the bedroom. My dog used to be somewhat aggressive when I brought girls home (she's well-socialized now, so this is no longer a problem). So, things could be worse than your dog being overly friendly. | /r/seduction | 20/11/10 07:52 PM |
| 7 | r/seduction, I have a very time sensitive question about a girl...Two things: Don't friend girls on facebook, if you ever want to sleep with them. Get her number instead. Don't call the hookah place. Go back with friends, preferably female friends, in a week, and hope to run into her again. | /r/seduction | 20/11/10 07:49 PM |
| 22 | Failed shit test?Reactiveness is always a failure. You reacted. A lot, and in obvious ways. Being a bitch is never attractive, and you were definitely a bitch. You acted like a child that isn't getting his way; "I'll just take my ball and go home!" The successful PUA is like bamboo...the wind blows, the rain and hail and snow falls, storms rage around him, but bamboo merely sways, and when the storm is gone, bamboo remains standing, just as before. When a girl tells you to slow down, it means you weren't reading… | /r/seduction | 20/11/10 07:37 PM |
| 1 | Robbie Williams- raw sexuality and confidence.That bit was money! When gaming, you should always be right at the edge of what you can "get away with". If you're not, you are missing out on some of the best girls. He's able to get away with stuff that you or I could not, because he's coming into the situation with so much more social proof and incredibly high value than you or I can manage in our day to day life. But, that's approaching the edge for him, which is what makes it so effective and attractive. It takes balls to sit in a strangers… | /r/seduction | 20/11/10 06:46 PM |
| 8 | Worst OKCupid date EVERYes. Obviously no men are fat or crazy. ;) But, yeah, I agree...online dating is a women's market, and they have their pick. It was a long hard slog for me, when I was doing the online dating thing. I'm relieved to be free of those kind of women and that long arduous process. Meeting girls in real life is more fun, anyway, now that I'm mostly past the worst of my approach anxiety. | /r/seduction | 20/11/10 06:19 PM |
| 13 | Worst OKCupid date EVERThat one's actually pretty funny. I would have stayed and watched the movie, and ate her fries. When I was still a solid AFC I met a girl from OKCupid whose photo was from before she'd had a kid (not mentioned in the profile) and gained ~150 pounds (she weighed 280 if she weighed an ounce). She answered the door with Cheeto stains on her fingers and down her shirt, despite the fact that we were going to lunch. She invited me in while she washed her hands and changed her shirt, and her house was … | /r/seduction | 20/11/10 05:47 PM |
| 1 | How do I seduce her?There was some discussion on one of the past threads about the visualization value of running out to the store for a few items...it is very domestic, and chicks dig domestic shit like that. But, I think it's a risky move, particularly if the grocery isn't really close to your house (preferably walking distance, I think). There's a fine line between "domestic fantasy" and "dull running of errands". I usually have everything handy, but I have taken a girl out to a nearby Mediterranean foods market… | /r/seduction | 20/11/10 08:14 AM |
| 2 | How do I seduce her?OK, so I'm a little slow. Knee jerk reaction to anyone that calls me "bro". | /r/seduction | 20/11/10 02:29 AM |
| -1 | How do I seduce her?Why don't you show me how it's done? Bro. | /r/seduction | 20/11/10 01:10 AM |
| 5 | New PUA "Friendship" talk early in the relationshipYou've read about the dangers of facebook and texting...but you clearly have not comprehended them. The comments you're wanting to make are probably going to be anti-attractive via facebook. They're bold in person, they're creepy online. Is it possible that this stuff can work online? Yes. Is it likely? No. You have her number. So stop fucking talking online! Your online time is over. Now shit gets real. Send her a text to setup a date. Do it ASAP. Trust us. This is not an area where you want to… | /r/seduction | 20/11/10 01:09 AM |
| 9 | How do I seduce her?I'm just going to toot my own horn a little bit here, because I'm the (self-appointed) king of dinner-at-home dates: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/cat6h/home_dinner_date_help_and_advice_needed/c0raoz2 http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/bsdpu/instadate_at_her_house/c0obqwc | /r/seduction | 20/11/10 12:29 AM |
| 1 | DAE want to compile a list of small, random actions that are seductive but aren't worth putting in a bookPeeing with the door open at your apartment, when you don't know her that well yet One of the girls I dated early on did this the first time I was at her house. Weirded me the fuck out. We had sex that night, but the relationship was always weird and mismatched. Quickly licking her on the cheek when you're standing in line somewhere. You can even say 'you're it' and make a game out of it if she responds positively. This is for long after you've banged her. I would never do it, but I can see how … | /r/seduction | 20/11/10 12:14 AM |
| 1 | Robbie Williams- raw sexuality and confidence.I think you're misinterpreting him quite a bit, and it'll hurt your game to not realize that this is not being rude or even douchey (except maybe the kissing attack one; he was a little bit too confrontational to start with, but he may have sensed the actual dynamic better being there...we can't see the girl really in the beginning so it's hard to tell, but some girls really like being dominated a little bit like this). This isn't even asshole game, actually, except the last one. The first one i… | /r/seduction | 19/11/10 10:51 PM |
| 3 | Would you consider her texting/Im-ing me as IOI?You'd be surprised what some girls do. Some do it to have their phone blowing up all the time so they feel fancy and attractive. Not all, or even most, by any means...but it's definitely common. She may also be gaming some other guy, and wants your messages to come in while she's at dinner or something with him. She'll conveniently leave her phone on the table while going to the restroom or whatever. Game goes both ways, and being popular with the opposite sex is a solid play, no matter who you … | /r/seduction | 19/11/10 10:33 PM |
| 1 | A little tip for the winter.I can't drive to Hawaii. I don't like to fly now that it involves being molested by rent-a-cops or irradiated like a TV dinner. That said, I'm buying a sailboat in a year or two, once I've exhausted the American continent. I'm sure Hawaii will be one of my destinations. | /r/seduction | 19/11/10 07:13 PM |
| 3 | I was kissing this girl last night at a ball. I can't remember any of it. What should I do if I encounter her again?Three things: Learn from it. Don't get so drunk. It hurts your long-term game, even if it doesn't hurt your short-term game. If you kissed her, then you were gaming reasonably well (or she was as drunk as you). But, you failed all the logistical stuff. I do this, too, when I'm drunk. I'm still regretting being too drunk to remember to number close a 9 I met a few weeks ago. Logistics are sometimes a challenge when sober, and that means they can be downright impossible when drunk. Don't sweat it.… | /r/seduction | 19/11/10 06:30 PM |
| 2 | Is it too late?Yeah, I think we're missing an important part of the story here: the thing he did that pushed her to cut off contact and tell him, effectively, the fuck off. Sounds like OP was a dick and overgamed a girl who was in a sensitive state. That's not necessarily impossible to recover from (assuming there was ever any attraction), but it probably requires slightly different than usual game. But, going beta is never the right choice. | /r/seduction | 19/11/10 05:47 PM |
| 3 | Is it too late?This. Ultimatums are the ultimate beta move. They're also possibly unique for beta moves in that they're also a total dick move. So, you not only look weak as fuck and incredibly reactive, you look like a petulant, bitter, dick, as well. | /r/seduction | 19/11/10 05:45 PM |
| 4 | [FR] Just a night outYour technique is solid, and you're doing a good job opening, bouncing between cute girls to keep your scarcity up, and such. But, as cheddarchexmix pointed out, you're spending too much time thinking about tactics and techniques and not enough time actually having fun. I suspect you're also gaming a bit harder than is necessary for these particular girls. You're gaming like they're all 9s or 10s with a sky high bitch shield. In the case of girl B (who I guess was your primary target of the nigh… | /r/seduction | 19/11/10 05:25 PM |
| 5 | Expensive VS Cheap first datesWhat woowoozle said. It is always unattractive to try to impress a girl you barely know. You're still not grasping the reason first dates should be cheap (and short, by default, unless things are going great, and you decide to extend it a little bit at a new venue or at your place). When you grasp the why, you won't keep asking for special cases. There is no special case that changes the fact that it is unattractive. That which is unattractive prevents long-term, short-term, and any other kind o… | /r/seduction | 19/11/10 07:32 AM |
| 3 | Expensive VS Cheap first datesYou're not that fancy. Don't ever think expensive first dates are wise. I'm certain there are people here who make more money than you, and they've tried both paths. But, I think you're misunderstanding the concept. It's not that you go to a dive bar, if dive bars are not your scene. The point is that you don't buy dinner, don't buy a huge bunch of drinks, don't take her to a show, etc. A "date" for a PUA is one or two drinks (possibly taking turns buying rounds, possibly not), venue change, may… | /r/seduction | 19/11/10 03:40 AM |
| 1 | Robbie Williams- raw sexuality and confidence.Closeted homosexuals often see homosexuality in everything. | /r/seduction | 19/11/10 01:38 AM |
| 2 | Robbie Williams- raw sexuality and confidence.This was posted a few months back, with annotations from a PUA perspective. It's useful to have the annotations if you don't already understand what's happening: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzfySlLAUuo It makes a solid case, and while I find the guy's music tepid and dull, I'm really impressed with his game (he's also famous in the UK for the large number of beautiful girls he's fucked, so no matter what we think of his game, the judges that matter have spoken). | /r/seduction | 19/11/10 01:37 AM |
| 4 | A little tip for the winter.I have five words for you: Texas, Florida, Southern California, Arizona. Problem solved. | /r/seduction | 18/11/10 08:33 PM |
| 2 | Girl I work with but rarely see - yet I have her Facebook?Don't do it. Without attraction, facebook is a negative-only game. The more you chatter at her on facebook, the less attracted to you she'll become. | /r/seduction | 18/11/10 08:21 PM |
| 2 | Is it worth it?why do I feel dissatisfied and/or like this hasn't been worthwhile? How are we supposed to know why you are dissatisfied!? I can only speak from my own experience, and I'm definitely not dissatisfied. Game works on all girls, including the really smart ones. Your problem seems to be that you're expecting to like talking to everyone. I don't like talking to everyone, though I do try to talk to just about everyone I come in contact with, even if only for a few seconds, just to keep myself in a soc… | /r/seduction | 18/11/10 06:24 PM |
| 1 | She is "not interested in dating anyone right now" Noob questionWhich she'd forward along to all of her friends, including mutual friends. Girls don't talk about guys they reject...unless the guy takes it really badly and acts like a dick in response. At that point, all bets are off, and she'll feel compelled to talk about it, because it makes her feel bad, and girls talk about things that make them feel bad. Anyway, the goal of seduction is to meet and attract more, and better, women. Being a dick to a girl who turns you down accomplishes nothing positive. … | /r/seduction | 18/11/10 05:11 AM |
| 3 | A discussion on stretched ears (gauges)I find them childish. Acting out to look like a "rebel". Too many of the people I've met who have them are just idiots who want to look tough. To put this in perspective, while I'm an old-timer...I grew up a punk, played in grind core and hard core industrial bands for about a decade, worked in the music industry, and am extremely accepting of just about everything. I'm also into BDSM. But, I just don't get the self-mutilation thing. It just seems like a desperate cry for attention, and very few… | /r/seduction | 18/11/10 04:22 AM |
| 3 | Question on an early complimentComplimenting accomplishments, with care, is fine. I've had reasonably good results complimenting athletes on a well-played game, for instance, though I usually would follow up with a humorous push. The really risky compliments are things like, "OMG, you have beautiful eyes!" or "You have great X" (where X is any feature she was born with, rather than something she chose...so X="style" is possibly OK, while X="knees" is probably not wise). If you are coming from an informed position...someone wh… | /r/seduction | 18/11/10 04:12 AM |
| 2 | Issues about EVERYONE knowing about it?I feel like people will catch on to that and everyone will start doing that (not necessarily canned material) Doing what? Having a conversation? This doesn't even make sense. Normal people have conversations with other normal people every day. There's nothing to "catch on" to. It's a conversation, like the other hundred conversations happening in that bar at that moment. If you aren't talking about canned material, how could it ever be something everyone will start doing? The general concept of … | /r/seduction | 17/11/10 08:08 PM |
| 6 | Issues about EVERYONE knowing about it?Simple solution: Don't used canned material. If you need it for the first few outings to be able to overcome approach anxiety and discomfort in driving a conversation, go for it. But, eventually, you should lose the training wheels and try to be awesome by your own wits. I'm better with women now than when I had lots of canned routines memorized; mostly that's practice, but there's also something to be said for being in the moment rather than being in your head trying to find the perfect routine… | /r/seduction | 17/11/10 05:55 PM |
| 1 | For whatever reason I'm really uncomfortable being touched by other people.If it's not a phobia brought on by childhood trauma, then it's just something you need to overcome through practice. I grew up in a family that rarely hugs, so I was uncomfortable with hugs as a kid. But, I worked my way through it. It is something you can acclimate yourself to, just like any other kind of social behavior. Most of us here started off really uncomfortable starting conversations with strangers. As far as I can tell, the vast majority of PUAs still get approach anxiety now and then… | /r/seduction | 17/11/10 05:21 PM |
| 5 | Want to meet people? Use public transport.I don't see how that matters. You're still opening a conversation. You can just say, "Hey, how's it going?" if you want to go direct. Again, the opener is such a tiny part of the interaction that it really doesn't matter. As long as you don't set off her creeper alarm, what you say to start the conversation doesn't much matter. It's where you go from there that matters. | /r/seduction | 17/11/10 05:07 PM |
| 7 | Want to meet people? Use public transport.The opener is close to irrelevant, as long as it's not creepy (which none of these are). An opener is not a strategy. | /r/seduction | 17/11/10 04:47 PM |
| 8 | I'm a little late to r/seduction, so I've been behind on my flirting game. Is it okay to start via text?Your instinct is wrong. Text is not for building attraction, and it will almost certainly fail if you try. It's not bold to flirt via text or email, and thus it's probably not going to be attractive...any chode can be risqué via text or email. But, it's bold to do it face to face. So, if there's already attraction, you can flirt a little via text...but if you aren't confident there's attraction, you could very easily break any chance of building attraction by being flirty via text. Also, most gu… | /r/seduction | 17/11/10 04:33 PM |
| 1 | Don't have a place of my own - how's this gonna work?I calls them like I sees them. | /r/seduction | 17/11/10 04:14 PM |
| 0 | Don't have a place of my own - how's this gonna work?I have some bad news for you: That means you're a beta and women aren't particularly attracted to you. If your girl won't go to a hotel to get their freak on with you, it means they aren't particularly into you...maybe they like your money. | /r/seduction | 17/11/10 07:12 AM |
| 2 | What's a good response to the "I can't make Wednesday. How about another time?"You're probably not getting that girl. The less talkative she is, the worse your odds (and the more talkative you are, the worse your odds). I'd probably give it a couple of days, and try again. | /r/seduction | 17/11/10 06:07 AM |
| 5 | What's a good response to the "I can't make Wednesday. How about another time?"Because your wide-eyed innocence made me laugh, I will break it down for you a little bit. Sometimes it's a shit test, but not usually. Generally speaking, attractive women are, surprisingly enough, actually busy a lot of the time. They can have a date anytime they want one. But, the fact that it's sincere doesn't necessarily mean game isn't warranted. The first time a girl asks for another time and she seems sincere, you could give her a couple of other options, just as apocalyptic suggests. No… | /r/seduction | 17/11/10 05:54 AM |
| 2 | Don't have a place of my own - how's this gonna work?Actually, chicks dig it. Adds an element of additional naughtiness. My first dozen sexual encounters were in hotels; some nice, some kinda gross. All were good, and all the girls were cool with it. Of course, money is a problem for him, and hotels add up quick...it'd become cheaper to get a dorm or apartment with a roommate if he has any reasonable level of success and is getting laid more than maybe five times a month. Nonetheless, it is a reasonable option on a limited basis. | /r/seduction | 17/11/10 05:39 AM |
| 4 | Clips of naturals interacting with HBsI say it every time this sort of question comes up, but I'll say it again. Craig Ferguson has the best game on television right now: Scarlett Johansson pt 1 Scarlett Johansson awkward pause Kristen Bell - She's been on so many times and has such an obvious crush on Craig that it's easier just to link to a search page. Lauren Graham - As above. Lauren Graham is totally a smitten kitten for Craig. He seems to like her pretty good, too. Olivia Williams - They apparently used to be an item, so it's … | /r/seduction | 17/11/10 05:26 AM |
| 21 | Please help me understand. I Asked her if she wants to hang out this weekend, she said yeah. Asked for her phone number, she gave it to me. Then she told me that she has a boyfriend.Proceed normally. Her boyfriend is her problem, not yours. When you see her, escalate as you would with any other girl. She'll stop you if she really has a boyfriend, and really doesn't want to do anything with you other than be friends. This changes nothing. You have the number, you have tentative plans to hang out. | /r/seduction | 17/11/10 01:23 AM |
| 1 | How to ask a woman if she shaves...as long as she's not like 45, I'm sure she'll at least be trimmed. it's an incredibly common thing for girls to do. In my experience, the older a woman is the more likely she is to have a regular appointment for waxing. They have more money, so they can afford more frequent and more expensive grooming habits. They are also more self-conscious about the fact that they're aging and not as hot naturally as they were 10 years ago, so they're willing to pay for any advantage they can get. But, I've n… | /r/seduction | 17/11/10 12:59 AM |
| 2 | Asked a girl out on 2nd date (her response)Even better! | /r/seduction | 17/11/10 12:50 AM |
| 1 | Asked a girl out on 2nd date (her response)Oh, I'm pretty confident it's legit and she's not lying about it. Just seemed curious that she wouldn't mention it, if you guys had a connection and she was planning to see you again. But, yeah, if she doesn't tell you when she'll be back, just message her in a week, saying, "Hey, are you back in your-city?" And try to set something up. Don't be too eager, but you do want to strike while the iron is still hot, if there was attraction there. So give it a couple days after she gets back, and then … | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 09:46 PM |
| 4 | Give girl sympathy?Allow steam to vent until pressure is nominal. Do not try to resolve problems. Make vaguely sympathetic noises during venting. Change subject. | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 09:42 PM |
| 3 | Asked a girl out on 2nd date (her response)Did she not mention she was going to California during your first date? Is California a road trip away or a flight away? It's a little perplexing that your conversation on the first date didn't reveal the trip. Regardless, yeah, I'd text her something like, "Cool. Have fun in CA. We'll hang when you get back." | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 09:36 PM |
| 4 | Asked a girl out on 2nd date (her response)Don't push. There's a high risk of it coming across as needy. Unless she's sore because she fucked you and it got rough, you shouldn't volunteer to treat her like a princess by giving her a massage. Just wait a few hours, text her that you can't do Thursday, and you'll text her later. On Friday, maybe, make a date for Saturday afternoon or Sunday, if she isn't yet worth a Saturday night, or you're afraid she will flake on a high demand night like Saturday (I would never offer a Saturday night if… | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 07:49 PM |
| 2 | First date: Steps from bar to sex location (you home)The ASD doesn't seem to kick in as strongly, I think, if you don't escalate up to kissing and very sexual behavior in advance of the sex location. i was at the bar near my house with a girl i met online. we had chatted online a fair bit and i always escalated those chats with a strongly sexual frame. i had her get on skype and take her shirt off. all of this adds up to, she knew what was going to happen as soon as i got her alone. once we were finished in the bar i said, 'let's go to my place, i… | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 07:11 PM |
| 2 | First date: Steps from bar to sex location (you home)I agree strongly with this. I don't make out until she's at my place (or we're at hers, if it's more convenient). I touch a lot, arm around hip or over shoulder, touching the knee or thigh, hands, etc. and ramp up sexual tension a lot, but I don't do anything that would relieve that tension or reveal my intentions too clearly. I don't think it's terribly controversial. I believe the common wisdom is currently that when going for the lay that day, you shouldn't be relieving the sexual tension exc… | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 07:05 PM |
| 3 | A couple of recurring shit testsMeet girls in real life. They can't OKC stalk you to know if you're meeting other girls. But, I never pretend to be monogamous, if I'm not being monogamous, so this wouldn't matter anyway. Besides that, how does she know you're logging into OKC? That means she's still logging into OKC, and thus you can call her out on it. So, if I did find myself in this exact situation, I would laugh about it, say, "Right, because you never login there anymore, eh?" and change the subject. "Because the bar near… | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 07:00 PM |
| 3 | How to ask a woman if she shaves...But, here in Scandinavia, there are also quite a few blondes who have very little hair and it's soft, so they don't really need to shave. I'll be in my bunk. That does sound hot. I avoid blondes, because I'm not really attracted to them. But, I think you may have just convinced me to try one out! I presume this is the fair-skinned kind of blonde with very fine and light blonde hair? I don't meet a lot of those in the Southwest US, but I'm going to be on the lookout for one. I just often pick-up … | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 05:55 PM |
| 15 | Should i straight-up say "I really do like you"?How should I tell her I like her? You shouldn't. You should show her, and make her like you more. Escalate (touch and verbally). Push/pull. Assertiveness and dominance. Social proof is also a big factor. Make sure she sees you hanging out with other girls sometimes. Any advice as to how to make this better? Most of your instincts are wrong. You're young, so she'll likely be forgiving of a lot of your clumsiness (most of your competition is also clumsy in similar ways, though there are probably a… | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 05:43 PM |
| 6 | Should i straight-up say "I really do like you"?While most of this is solid advice, I really disagree with springing a kiss on a girl from nowhere. That's gonna be awkward in most situations, and she'll freak out, even if she likes the guy. There are a number of techniques for making it clear you're going to kiss a girl, and even just saying, "I'm going to kiss you now." is fine, if there's some sexual tension built up. There's also the triangle eye thing, which doesn't require any talking (which is often a win; guys often talk too much and i… | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 05:19 PM |
| 5 | Should i straight-up say "I really do like you"?Don't say anything sweet. Just start touching her. Knee, shoulder, arm, hand, etc. Don't make it a dramatic, high tension moment. You should be touching her all the time in brief, non-threatening ways. Not to toot my own horn here, but you really need some help on touch, so you should read this: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/bpx0p/exercise_touch_everyone_you_talk_to/ Touch is vital to escalation and avoiding the friend zone. | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 05:11 PM |
| 1 | Should i straight-up say "I really do like you"?Yes, after sex is the right time to say sweet things to a girl, if you feel the urge to do so. You can tell her she's beautiful, that you really like her, that she's sweet, etc. after or during sex. | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 05:04 PM |
| 3 | Should i straight-up say "I really do like you"?This is an excellent way to view it, but I think it underestimates the effect being too forthright can have on attraction. You can turn a girl off like a light switch by being too available to her. If you confess your undying devotion to a girl who hasn't show you equal measure of affection, even if she really likes you, she'll begin to like you less...you're exhibiting lower value than her, so you become the chaser rather than the chased. She'll back away just to keep the chase going. | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 05:03 PM |
| 6 | How to ask a woman if she shaves...Hehehe...I was going to poke fun at you for being insensitive, because, sure, we pretty much all prefer neatly kept lady parts, and I also prefer clean shaven or Brazilian waxed girls most days (I'm an ass man, and hair back there is a bit of a turn off), but it seems like maybe a bit much to completely refuse to sleep with an otherwise hot girl that you like if she doesn't have a bald kitty. But, then I noticed who was asking, and loled. I presume you're smooth yourself, so you're at least fair… | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 04:57 PM |
| 3 | How and when attack?You're projecting. Attractive girls have way more sexual experience than you do, or than you think she has. So, she's not "very shy" if she is attractive...she's just not going to make a move, because girls never make the first move. They aren't wired up for it. You always have to make the first (and often second, third, and fourth) move. If you don't make the move, you'll get very few girls in your life. Again, you should be escalating until you stop getting indicators that she's enjoying herse… | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 04:18 PM |
| 2 | A few thoughts on getting younger women (especially relevant for those in their 40s going for 20s girls)My instincts aren't good on the age gap question, so I'm not going to try to come up with a good answer on this one. I blew out a lot before I learned to just completely ignore age. She'll probably bring it up eventually, and I treat it like any other shit test. I don't lie about anything (except social lubrication lies, like, "I'll check my schedule", and false time constraints and such), including my age, but it is another shit test to knock down like any other. Make her guess first, generally… | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 04:16 PM |
| 2 | How and when attack?Don't hit girls! Also don't attack them! If she's expressing interest, you should be escalating until you stop getting signals. Any IOIs mean "keep going". There is no perfect time...it should begin immediately, but playfully. | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 03:52 AM |
| 1 | Having trouble finding gamer/nerdy girls.One of my girlfriends taught me how to knit. It's really boring. | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 03:28 AM |
| 6 | Splitting the billPick someone creepy. Old bald guy, guy who already blew out with the girl in a pitiful way, super-douchey, etc. I've never had a girl take me up on it. They usually go, "No! Ew!" and slaps my arm or shoulder, and laugh. If she does say, "Yes", I'd, say, "Alright!" take her by the hand and start dragging her over toward the guy. She'll fight it. That's way too aggressive for just about anybody. If she didn't fight it, then I'd go chat with the guy with her in tow. No big deal. She'll be terrified… | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 02:53 AM |
| 3 | How to deal with the sudden pause and bait questions/stories.I change the subject, which is what kinda happens automatically once you really embrace the attitude of abundance. If you don't care of you get in this specific girls pants, you won't be so inclined to hang on her every word (which is unattractive, despite what all girls say about wanting a guy who listens to them). Sometimes you have to let them rattle around a bit on whatever nonsense chick subject she wants to talk about, but you don't have to take it seriously, and you aren't obligated to st… | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 02:26 AM |
| 15 | Telling a girl that you are sleeping with other girls. Pros vs Cons?Somewhere along the way, this almost completely stopped being an issue for me. Somehow, something about my behavior, attitude, whatever, makes it apparent that I'm not being exclusive. Further, something about that attitude makes it OK with the girls I'm pursuing, and they don't expect exclusivity. I even find that a lot of girls now try to qualify themselves to me as being "not looking for a relationship", and make it clear they don't expect me to call them every day, before I ever bring it up.… | /r/seduction | 16/11/10 02:12 AM |
| 18 | Splitting the bill"Nah... that guy over there looks gullible enough to buy you a drink." This! I love telling a girl to go hit up someone else in all sorts of circumstances. Loads of shit tests can be turned into something along the lines of, "I'm not really that kinda guy. I bet that guy over there is, though. Maybe you should go talk to him. He looks like just your type. You want me to go get him?" | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 11:46 PM |
| 2 | Invited a sub-par looking girl (a 5.5-6) out for drinks for my personal development (in progress)Don't sweat paying on dates. It's not a problem. But, you should definitely follow uchihavino's advice. Doing cheap or free stuff is better than expensive stuff. Expensive dates are try-hard, and often aren't amenable to actually building a connection with the girl. I like to go for drinks, and then a walk around downtown. If you're having drinks, you can say, "I'll get the first round." which sets up a back and forth situation pretty easily. But, again, I don't sweat it. Paying is no big deal a… | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 08:03 PM |
| 1 | How to deal with the sudden pause and bait questions/stories.I don't recall getting this kind of thing. I mean, sometimes I ignore chicks in favor of other people in the group, and she might let her sentence trail off when she realizes I'm focused elsewhere. I'm not going to snap to attention to hang on her every word. But, if it's one on one conversation, and there's no reason for her to speak in incoherent random combinations of words, I'd probably poke fun at her. "OK, captain short attention span, finish your sentence." or "Did you forget what you wer… | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 07:50 PM |
| 2 | How do you reply to "I'm not interested in dating anyone right now"?Interpreting the situation is what matters. You have to be aware of what she means when she says something like this. There is no autonomic reply you can make to this kind of statement, if you don't have the context. You can't be a social robot with the right sentences to say to various things she says and have any success. A list of awesome sentences is never going to get you laid. It's the attitude and the confidence and the assertiveness and the ability to comprehend what women are thinking t… | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 07:35 PM |
| 1 | How do you reply to "I'm not interested in dating anyone right now"?I know. I'm not saying "you" as in you (random_guy) specifically. It is the third person "you" used in English to signify anyone in this situation. Everybody else is doing it, too, and you're misinterpreting it as being everybody thinking you're the dude being turned down. Is English not your first language? This is a pretty common usage for "you". I understood thoroughly that you wanted to discuss this kind of response, not in the context of a problem you were having, but rather than general co… | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 06:28 PM |
| 2 | How do you reply to "I'm not interested in dating anyone right now"?I read them, and replied with what I consider a very relevant response. WTF is your problem? If you didn't want a discussion about it, why did you ask? | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 06:14 PM |
| 0 | How do you reply to "I'm not interested in dating anyone right now"?While I agree that if you're getting this, in the context of just having asked her out, you just need to move on. She means "I'm not interested in dating you right now." But, there are other contexts where this kind of statement could appear that might not be so dire. I've met a girl recently who is sending mixed signals. She invited me over to her place to hang out...I put it off, because I was going out, and she followed up the next day with the same offer. So, she seemed very eager to get me … | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 06:04 PM |
| 2 | How do you reply to "I'm not interested in dating anyone right now"?Try-hard. | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 05:54 PM |
| 7 | DAE prefer going out alone?There seems to be a delicate balance...I've found a group of three (one male, one female) is the perfect group size and composition for me. I've had my best nights ever with a group like that. But, it depends on the people in your group. If they aren't being social, being friendly, being fun, they'll bring you down rather than helping you stay up. But, I've done OK solo, too. It's not a big detriment to go out alone, by any means. In short, no friends is better than shitty friends that drag you … | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 04:47 PM |
| 6 | She is "not interested in dating anyone right now" Noob questionYes, I was a bit harsh. But the guy asked "Will that work?" about a completely and utterly dickish and bitter comment. I didn't want there to be any doubt that it will not work, and the degree to which it wouldn't work. If he said this, he'd be a pariah among every girl who reads his facebook. And, be fair, I also said we'd be here when he gets his reading done, and has some more practice for us to talk about. I really want to help the guy. But I also want to make sure he's not poisoning the ent… | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 03:40 PM |
| 3 | How to deal with the sudden pause and bait questions/stories.Can you give an example? I'm having a hard time visualizing what you mean, exactly. | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 07:48 AM |
| 29 | She is "not interested in dating anyone right now" Noob questionJebus. The beta is strong this one. What part of being non-reactive, unattached to outcomes, and having an attitude of abundance do you not understand? It's like you've carefully crafted a sentence to be as unattractive as possible. If all of your communication with this girl has been anywhere near this ugly, I'm surprised she was this nice to you. You need to start with the "new to seddit" post over in the side bar. You've got a long road ahead of you. We'll be here in a few days, when you've f… | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 07:46 AM |
| 3 | Is this a shit test? If so, I'm stuck (text game)No, don't cancel. If it were me, I'd probably meet her at a coffee shop or bar near the theater 20-30 minutes before you want to get to the theater, and walk around some, so you can escalate and get some touching going on, so that you can be touchy and tease her some in the theater without it being weird. You can't just sit down in the theater and start making out...but if you're already nearly there in advance of sitting down, you can be more touchy (though I still wouldn't make out with her in… | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 07:26 AM |
| 6 | Is this a shit test? If so, I'm stuck (text game)What's the problem? She said she'd go with you to the Bogart movie. What more do you want? Write her on Wednesday, and say, "Hey, meet me at X place at 8PM. We'll go from there." or whatever. I don't see anything that could possibly be interpreted as a shit test here. She did take some time to find out if she had better options for Wednesday, but I wouldn't sweat it. If she flakes on Wednesday, you'll know she's not into you, and you can put her on the backup roster for texting in a week or two,… | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 06:44 AM |
| 4 | It was going good then I lost her...If I had to pick a single "tactic" for achieving this balance: Push/pull. Early in the conversation a push is always followed by a pull, or vice versa. But, the really key element is internalizing an attitude of abundance and being detached from outcomes. When talking to girls, always keep in the back of your mind that there are other girls, and you're going to meet them any minute...and they're probably hotter than the one you're talking to right now. There is no girl that is "the one", and the… | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 04:55 AM |
| 7 | It was going good then I lost her...It wasn't going that good. You made a lot of mistakes off the bat. Compliments without reason, following her around like a lost puppy, buying her a drink without reason, sticking around long past the point where you were seeming creepy and losing social proof by the second. Be less attached to outcomes. When you decide the moment you meet a girl that she's "the one" for that night, you are destined to fail. It gives her too much value in your own mind, which she'll perceive because of your behav… | /r/seduction | 15/11/10 02:30 AM |
| 7 | Drunk and using Seddit's teachings: my experience!Drunken game is probably extremely unwise this early in your development. You are starting out poorly calibrated, even when at the peak of your awareness when sober, so you don't know how to read the signs of how people are feeling about you. When you mix alcohol with this already defective social awareness, you are simply asking for failure. Congrats on trying something, and I hope you'll give it another shot. But next time, do it while sober. Liquid courage might help your approach anxiety, bu… | /r/seduction | 14/11/10 11:45 PM |
| 3 | A few thoughts on getting younger women (especially relevant for those in their 40s going for 20s girls)One more little thing... it's ok to tease yourself about being old once in a while, let them tease you if they want. But, don't tease them about being young. Only perhaps rarely and in a very lighthearted manner. It comes across as condescending so easily. I dunno, I've just had bad luck with it. Strongly agreed. I've blown out more times than I'd like to admit by doing "you're to young for me" kinds of disqualification. Girls simply think about older mates differently than men do. It definitely… | /r/seduction | 14/11/10 11:35 PM |
| 3 | How to respond to "only if you deserve it" shit test?The key is to believe you're the prize. The more you internalize this the more the shit tests have obvious solutions. Anything that ignores the premise of the shit test is a good response. Several options have been given in this thread, including ignoring it. Laughing at shit tests is acceptable. Absurdifying them works ("OOh, I guess I'd better be on my best behavior then, eh? So I'd better not pick on girls, huh?" and begin to pick on her, tickle her, do whatever funny thing you feel like doin… | /r/seduction | 14/11/10 11:30 PM |
| 11 | Can't read her, should I call the girl or back off?How can you possibly fail to read, "I need more space"?!?! She's lost attraction for you because you were too into her. She's come to the conclusion that she's higher value than you, and thus she's looking to trade up, and needs free time to meet and attract higher value men. There is no other option but to back off and date other women. | /r/seduction | 14/11/10 11:22 PM |
| 22 | just finished The Game: some thoughts: (for real this time)I have a theory that there are actually 2 genetic types of human - one with true higher thought and one without but we are all told we are equal so no one can commit genocide. Your sister has a gigantic ego. You should try negging her. Then she'd probably have sex with you. | /r/seduction | 14/11/10 11:19 PM |
| 4 | PUA concepts for the older manExcellent advice! All of these things are true. Women in their 30s are better behaved when it comes to dating. Lower maintenance, easier to schedule with (except if they have kids, but even then, they rarely flake, so you don't have to do complicated scheduling maneuvers to spend time with them). Older women also tend to know more about what they want. They will go to bed with you faster, and dismiss you faster if they aren't interested...so, you both waste less time figuring it out. I don't thi… | /r/seduction | 14/11/10 02:08 AM |
| 11 | Would there be any interest in PUA advice/tips for a younger crowd (talking 18-21)?Field reports are for you, not your readers. You'll get better at pickup when you write up a field report, and discuss it with your peers, I guarantee it. | /r/seduction | 13/11/10 09:07 PM |
| 17 | Would there be any interest in PUA advice/tips for a younger crowd (talking 18-21)?Why bother asking? Just post a field report and if people like it, they'll vote it up. Asking is just pointless noise. | /r/seduction | 13/11/10 08:55 PM |
| 4 | [FR] from a (former?) AFC - Wait, this actually works?Make out a bit, she gets self-conscious. Friends are there, it's a PDA. I'm pretty sure this was another shit test, but I purposely fail this one, as I don't want to push. Though I do kiss her once more to put a point on it. Actually, not being heavy on the PDA is good game, especially for same day lays. And I don't think I'd call a hesitation to make out in front of friends a shit test, at all. Shit tests are trying to get you to reveal your weaknesses. Once you've claimed a patch of ground, so… | /r/seduction | 13/11/10 08:38 PM |
| 5 | It seems some of you guys could use this resource.Really, you need reasons for people voting down obvious spam? Seriously, this is yet another seduction "expert" selling a "unique" and "amazing" and "powerful", etc., etc., etc. program. "Experts" are everywhere in this community...we don't have to welcome them in. They're going to show up no matter how hard we try to keep them out. And, I would definitely rather we try to keep them out than welcome them in. We don't need expensive seduction gurus. What we need is more practice, more field repor… | /r/seduction | 13/11/10 04:41 PM |
| 0 | Can a guy who is a 4 pull a girl who is 8 or 9?Are you fat (not merely having a few extra pounds...I mean 40+ lbs overweight)? If so, then almost certainly not. If you're fit, then yeah, it's possible. Probably not easy, but definitely possible. Being really fat is a huge detriment to game, and the hottest girls simply aren't going to see you as a sexual being, unless you have something else going for you (being a musician with fans, for instance, or some other well-known figure). The general consensus is that game can easily give you two de… | /r/seduction | 13/11/10 04:33 PM |
| 1 | Alright men, help a sista out! Or just let me rant, whichever...I dunno. Sandwiches are pretty good. | /r/seduction | 13/11/10 11:02 AM |
| 3 | Girl blew me off twice, but still wants to hang out.So the first flake sounds like it wasn't really any kind of firm plans. So, she gets a pass on that one. The second one is a definite, no holds barred flake. No ifs, ands, or buts there. She flaked hard. I suspect you're talking too much in the lead up to the meeting. She gets that you're excited about her being there, which she interprets as her value being high and yours being low. So, stop texting back and forth like a teenage girl when you're meeting up with a girl. Your texts in the lead up… | /r/seduction | 13/11/10 10:57 AM |
| 2 | Self analysis on of an IOI "pull" I used today. Questions and comments welcomed!The problem with IOIs online is they are uncertain in meaning...as you note. Just about everything about online communication is uncertain. You also don't get points for being bold online...any schmuck can make sexual innuendos online. Saying them in person to a girl you just met, on the other hand, is a whole other ballgame, and makes girls squirmy (either in a good or bad way, but it always makes some kind of impact). Regardless, you're putting too much thought into a single online interaction… | /r/seduction | 13/11/10 10:43 AM |
| 6 | [FR] Getting ApocalypsedNo. Always be gaming. Girlfriend, wife, friends. Game is being attractive...you should never stop being attractive. | /r/seduction | 13/11/10 09:46 AM |
| 10 | How to be more witty in general conversation?Watch witty people (talk show hosts are a good choice; Conan and Craig and Dave are all awesomely funny and smart hosts...but, if you like low-brow humor suitable for stupid people, then Leno or Lopez would also work). Hang out with witty people. Choose who you hang out with by who makes you laugh the most, and try to keep up. Open your filter some. Everybody has a filter that determines which of their thoughts are allowed into the open air. Turn the knob a bit, and let more of "yourself" out. Y… | /r/seduction | 13/11/10 08:59 AM |
| 2 | so, what about modesty?This. Too many people think DHV means "brag about the awesome shit I made up about myself". Bragging is try-hard, and gross. I met a guy over Halloween who was a friend of a friend...he was tragically try-hard. Constantly talking about himself, and the things he just did (that weren't funny or interesting to start with). He later tried to spend some one on one time with one my female friends...I guess assuming being around her would make her like him more. She was not impressed, and became less … | /r/seduction | 13/11/10 01:04 AM |
| 1 | Alright men, help a sista out! Or just let me rant, whichever...My motivations for becoming monogamous: It's nice to not have to work so hard at all the games. You still have to play all the time, but it's mostly the fun kind of play rather than the "Oh, I can't come over right now, I'm too busy." kind of games. When your steady girlfriend says, "I need to get laid. Can you come over?" You can go over without losing hand in the relationship. It's nice to have unprotected sex without worrying about STDs and STIs. It's sort of mundane to think I'd get more ser… | /r/seduction | 12/11/10 11:01 PM |
| 2 | Alright men, help a sista out! Or just let me rant, whichever...This might not be ideal for building back to being exclusive if they were exclusive in the past...but it might if he's the jealous type. If he's at all a player, he'll just back off further and become more aloof. At some point someone has to be available for a serious relationship to develop. When I've been seeing girls that are dating other guys, I back off. I enjoy my time with them, and will hook up once a week or so, but I'm definitely going to keep seeing other girls. I tend to let her go f… | /r/seduction | 12/11/10 10:53 PM |
| 1 | The Pick Up Artist world is overwhelming me...Here's a recent post from a guy trying to be as try-hard as possible: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/e4o7x/ladies_of_seddit_i_need_some_input_tldr_included/ Other recent examples of extreme try-hard behavior included a guy who wanted to take beef jerky to the girl who sold him crummy beef jerky, a guy who offered to travel over an hour to see a girl he'd met once, and a guy who got flaked on twice and continued to chat with her. Buying a girl anything or going to significant trouble … | /r/seduction | 12/11/10 09:58 PM |
| 4 | Ok Seddit I've got to know this girl pretty well (more in text)Friend zone achievement unlocked. Have you gotten any indication that she's interested? Have you done anything to indicate your interest in order suss out her interest? Girls, in general, don't pursue guys just because they exist and are maybe cute. So, if you've been hanging out without your behavior triggering any signals of attraction, you are almost certainly comfortably ensconced in the friend zone. Learn from it, and do better next time. You might not be deeply in the friend zone already, … | /r/seduction | 12/11/10 05:15 PM |
| 18 | Girlfriend says that she is not readyIf she's not ready, wait for her. Or don't. But don't pressure her. That's bad game and bad karma. How old is she? And how old are you, while we're at it? | /r/seduction | 12/11/10 01:19 AM |
| 6 | Girlfriend says that she is not readyEvery young girl thinks her vagina is ugly. A few even manage to continue to believe it even after they've been with a few men and ought to realize that damned near every pussy is divine in the eyes of man. | /r/seduction | 12/11/10 01:18 AM |
| 5 | Ladies of Seddit, I need some input. TL;DR included.Fucking Lloyd Dobler! Misleading poor defenseless dorks into always doing the exact wrong thing and expecting anything but disaster. A much better Cusack movie for recovering AFCs is Better Off Dead, as he actually mostly recovers from being an AFC, builds social proof, embraces his inner bad ass, and ends up with both girls liking him because of it. | /r/seduction | 11/11/10 09:06 PM |
| 6 | Ladies of Seddit, I need some input. TL;DR included.You are dead to me. Unless she is really into you, this is destined to break the attraction. When you put this much thought and effort into a girl you haven't slept with, you turn her off like a light switch. It's just wired into her lizard brain. She can't help it. She'll think you're cute, she'll think you're sweet, she'll think you're funny. But she won't think you're worthy of her pussy (because you don't think you're worthy of her pussy, and she figures you're the best judge of that). This … | /r/seduction | 11/11/10 06:38 PM |
| 1 | How many non-American PUAs do we have here?More social circle/money game. Incorrect. You just aren't good enough to crack it, yet. In nordic countries, appearance is more important than anything else. Also incorrect. Appearance always matters, but it's not more important than anything else, regardless of where you are. (I travel a lot. I know of what I speak.) | /r/seduction | 11/11/10 05:42 PM |
| 6 | Is she interested?She isn't extremely interested. You probably came off too eager. You already knew that, though. Don't text so much. The best policy on texting is to occasionally send her one funny text (with one followup to whatever she says), but mostly only use text to setup dates. As for the sweet spot between the two: When in doubt, say nothing. When in her presence, escalate aggressively. | /r/seduction | 11/11/10 06:20 AM |
| 0 | Reddit got a shout out on Pickup Podcast's blog.Looks like blogspam to me. | /r/seduction | 11/11/10 04:45 AM |
| 4 | Just got shot down and I feel great.Don't be afraid to go back. Don't be shy around her, don't act like she caught you doing something naughty. Just be normal, funny, confident, unaffected by her turning you down (be unattached from outcomes; this is a core tenant of pickup, and one of the most important). You'd be surprised what girls tell other people. Attractive women almost never talk about the men they turned down. It's the invitations they accept, and the guys who take "no" badly, that they talk about. If you were unconcerne… | /r/seduction | 11/11/10 04:25 AM |
| 2 | Can we get our numbers sorted? ie: How do we define HB7, HB8, HB9 etc etc. Examples with pics insideIf she were not a supermodel, I have a hard time believing she would still be the most sought after woman in a typical bar that I frequent. You're simply wrong. Paulina Porizkova in her prime would have been among the most sought after women in any western bar or club (culture makes a difference...she might not be as sought after in an African or Indian or Japanese bar, though, by any standard she was a stunningly beautiful woman). She's practically flawless. Symmetrical. Slim. Nicely shaped in … | /r/seduction | 11/11/10 03:10 AM |
| 4 | Can we get our numbers sorted? ie: How do we define HB7, HB8, HB9 etc etc. Examples with pics insideThat's the point. It's not that we all agree exactly, it's that a 10 (which the elusive 10 definitely is for a large percentage of men) will be treated like a 10. We use these ratings in order to determine how to game the girl, not how much any specific man likes any specific girl. It's not about subjectivity, it's about figuring out when to game harder to land the girl. When do you approach with a harsh neg? Definitely not with a 7. But, a supermodel? Yeah, probably so. If you tried to game Pau… | /r/seduction | 11/11/10 02:20 AM |
| 5 | Spanish Buzz Lightyear: The Ultimate PlayerWhy would I care? If he's making fun, he's gone to a lot of trouble to do so. Whether he was sincere or not, it's actually got some pretty good advice. Don't take yourself (or your "scene") so seriously. People who make fun are completely diffused when you clearly don't give a fuck what they think of you. | /r/seduction | 10/11/10 09:37 PM |
| 5 | Should I ask her out?Ah, yes, relationship_advice: Betas and women helping betas to be more beta since 2009. | /r/seduction | 10/11/10 09:09 PM |
| 6 | Can we get our numbers sorted? ie: How do we define HB7, HB8, HB9 etc etc. Examples with pics insideNo. Not even close. Rosie O'Donnell could never be as hot as Scarlett Johansson...no matter how much money, how many trainers, how much effort her staff put into making her gorgeous. She has a team of people to make her look good, and she falls far short of Johansson by any measure. Sure, Johansson is not as perfect as she appears in photos and films. But she is stunningly beautiful even when not made up or photoshopped. | /r/seduction | 10/11/10 08:13 PM |
| 2 | Can we get our numbers sorted? ie: How do we define HB7, HB8, HB9 etc etc. Examples with pics insideThis has been done by Roissy, though I think the methods were a bit questionable, as was the pool of girls to judge from. It included way too many hot girls, and too few average to below average. http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/female-beauty-from-1-to-10/ But, I think we can all agree that cigstache is, in fact, a 1, while Monica Belluci and Alizee are a 9 or 10. I consider most models and actresses who are famous for their looks to be 10s, even if they aren't my perfect 10...because they… | /r/seduction | 10/11/10 07:45 PM |
| 6 | Spanish Buzz Lightyear: The Ultimate PlayerDoesn't look like a troll to me. Looks like a pretty well thought out analysis. It's silly, sure, but pretty well supported. Being very aggressive is more likely to lead to success than being indecisive. Pretty much always. So, this is all sound advice. | /r/seduction | 10/11/10 07:39 PM |
| 7 | What's the difference between a 7 and an 8?I view it as a bell curve. Most women are at the center of the bell curve: a 5 or 6. They aren't fat, they aren't ugly, they aren't significantly asymmetrical, they aren't hairy. But they also aren't particularly hot, they don't have a smokin' body, and they aren't classically beautiful. Someone like...say, Ellen Degeneres or Elaine from Seinfeld might be a six (maybe even a 7 when they were younger, though they're both well past their prime with regard to looks at this point). They're cute and … | /r/seduction | 10/11/10 06:52 PM |
| 3 | What's the difference between a 7 and an 8?The 8 is 1 hotter than a 7, innit? Just like 11 is 1 louder than 10. | /r/seduction | 10/11/10 06:45 PM |
| 2 | I can pull a 6 any night of the week, but I want 8's and 9's.I think this is the key. Just accept that you won't be pulling that night, so you can be detached from outcomes, and go for the hottest girl in the room, damn the consequences. | /r/seduction | 10/11/10 06:34 PM |
| 6 | How many of the people who have managed to turn their lives around using seduction are happy with their lives and relationships (and still hang around reddit?)I started reading about pickup and seduction a couple of years ago. I got serious about actually doing something about it maybe a year ago. Today, I'm pretty good at attracting and sleeping with attractive women, and my approach anxiety is manageable in many circumstances (but by no means all circumstances). AA is still one of my biggest hurdles. So, does it work? Well, that depends on what "it" means. If you put in the work, get out in the field, and talk to women on a regular basis, you will g… | /r/seduction | 10/11/10 06:30 PM |
| 2 | Dealing with a flakeYeah, it's absolutely beta to be bitchy on facebook. It's something a 12 year old girl does. 12 year old girls are not sexually attractive to women...so don't act like one. facebook is not where anything interesting happens, when it comes to pickup and seduction. You're wasting your time if you're friending girls on facebook you haven't slept with. | /r/seduction | 10/11/10 06:39 AM |
| 20 | Louis CK has game (Look at 3:33)So, this isn't so much game. But she does want to fuck him. He has a tremendous amount of social proof coming into the situation, and the DHV stories are coming fast and furious...she does seem melty when he tells the Baghdad story. | /r/seduction | 10/11/10 05:34 AM |
| 2 | Suggestions on how to respond to "wow, you're really tall"I like this one best, I think. Brevity is the soul of wit (and pickup). Anytime you can say fewer words without losing meaning, you should probably do so. | /r/seduction | 10/11/10 05:20 AM |
| 5 | To pay for the date or not?The situation may be slightly different for you. Girl-on-girl dating action might just have different rules. I dunno. It's my understanding from seeing my lesbian and bi female friends dating habits that women tend to be more egalitarian in their dealings with one another, so it's far more common for there to be no obvious "top" in the relationship (where gay men do tend to lean one way or the other). If it's working for you, don't sweat it. And, you definitely want to overcome your beta "buying… | /r/seduction | 09/11/10 07:15 PM |
| 3 | To pay for the date or not?Why did you decide to do a movie date? There are lots of better options. Almost anything is better, actually (bowling, pool, mini-golf, drinks, walk in the park, boating, etc.). Movie dates don't allow you to talk much, build attraction, etc. If you play it really well, you might get a make out in the theater, but that's not terribly likely. | /r/seduction | 09/11/10 07:01 PM |
| 3 | To pay for the date or not?Strongly agreed. Money is ideally invisible in the dating process. I don't like for it to come up, at all. Swapping rounds when drinking is a good idea, taking turns paying for dinner or entertainment is also good. Just don't be her walking ATM, and you'll be fine. | /r/seduction | 09/11/10 06:59 PM |
| 9 | To pay for the date or not?Incorrect. On first dates I frequently pay, and I frequently lay. The "never pay" rule is way overblown. I'm older and richer than almost every girl I date...I don't plan to determine my eating and entertainment habits by what she can afford. You should never buy a girl a first drink in a bar. But, if she buys a round, you can buy the next round. No problem there. Ideally, though, first dates are cheap and quick. One or two drinks, maybe bowling, maybe mini-golf, maybe just a walk around the nei… | /r/seduction | 09/11/10 06:56 PM |
| 2 | Please adress some pointers on what to do. Potential first date tomorrow, but she has a cold.If she's sick, you should probably reschedule. You can't escalate to kissing or sex if she's sick...so you're going to be friendzoning yourself by hanging out with her and catering to her illness. If you want to be sweet about it, tell her to drink plenty of fluids and get to bed. | /r/seduction | 09/11/10 06:53 AM |
| 1 | My situation: I could use some pointers, observations, analysis.All people who are in demand have busy schedules. You never reveal your hand that you're willing to drop everything to meet up with this girl, even if you're beta enough to be willing to do so. You always give her a time. She says no because of scheduling conflicts, she'll either give you an alternative, or you can say, "OK, some other time. I've got some free time Sunday. I'll text you later." If she turns you down a second time, it's probably a blow off. In which case, "Next!" Go after other g… | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 09:14 PM |
| 2 | Should I contact her or not?Your clarification just confused me. I have no idea what you're talking about that would have any effect on what I said in my comment. Regardless, I just assumed you were going to continue seeing and gaming Sabrina, if you enjoyed yourself. As far as we know there's nothing broken about your situation with Sabrina, right? Don't sweat it. If she says anything about it, just say, "Monica is a little crazy for me. We hooked up once. She's sweet, but a million miles away. I don't do the long distanc… | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 08:29 PM |
| 2 | Do I have a special circumstance?Back off. Flirt with other girls in her vicinity. Be less available to her. You can see her, and be friendly to her, without being emotionally available to her. Keep gaming her, but game other girls more aggressively. Don't reward flakitude with more attention. You can ask her out again, but you need to build more attraction and show her that you are in high demand, and if she wants some of your time, it'll have to be on your terms. And HB10 is pursued by several men every single day. You have t… | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 08:17 PM |
| 3 | The Importance of ConfidenceGood job. The clothes weren't really what made the difference, but if your clothes make you feel cool, then they are worth every penny. I often go out very casual. I'm usually among the most casually dressed people in the place. Not particularly cool, either. Shorts and T-shirt and cheap canvas sneakers. I've had good nights dressed that way, and I've had bad nights dressed nicer. It's your state more than anything, though do need to be clean, well-groomed, etc. no matter what you're wearing. | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 08:05 PM |
| 1 | Should I contact her or not?I probably wouldn't even respond to the crazy one. When in doubt, say nothing. Text her again in a few days, something funny and completely unrelated to the whole Sabrina drama, when she's had a chance to cool off, if you want to keep her on the line...but she's a billion miles away, right? So, who cares, except in how she deals with Cristy, who I guess you want to stay friends with (since she introduces you to girls you then sleep with, that's a good friend to have). If she wants to talk about … | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 07:58 PM |
| 1 | Just found seddit... maybe y'all can explain something to me.Not smart with opinions, confrontational and aggressive are different than intelligent and confident. You were also confrontational and aggressive. It takes two to tango. Perhaps that's a lesson you can take forward. If you're touching on a subject that seems to be going in a dangerous direction, change the subject. The old segue is a classic seduction technique. Never let her get the upper hand in a conversation (the goal is to keep her guessing and keep her trying to figure out whether you lik… | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 06:36 PM |
| 5 | Crosspost from /r/depression: Finding a girlfriend is like a job application.We can help. And we will help, if you keep coming back, and working on your problems. Note, however, that this is not a place to get stuff off your chest...it's a place to solve your problems. If you just want to vent, this isn't the right place. If you want to fix it, then you're in exactly the right place. You have some misconceptions about what women find attractive that you need to correct. You've got a little homework to do on that topic. Start with the sidebar, specifically the "new to sed… | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 05:58 PM |
| 1 | Just found seddit... maybe y'all can explain something to me.I tend to think you have low self-esteem if a smart woman with opinions turns you off. Regardless of that, why are you coming to us over something you've ended? We're here to help men attract and seduce high quality women. You decided not to go after this woman, so what are you asking us here? To explain why you didn't like her before, and why you're kinda thinking maybe you do like her? We don't know what's going on in your head. But I'm confused about two points: 1. the debate/discussion at lu… | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 05:42 PM |
| 3 | I am a girl.. is there a way to redeem myself this?Last weekend I got very drunk and we hooked up and unfortunately in my drunken state I told him that I loved sex... By "hooked up" you mean you had sex? Or just a make out? If you had sex, saying you love sex is not really the thing that convinced him you were DTF. The whole fucking thing already handled that. Is he trying to get me to familiarise myself with his place so he can take me back later? Could be. Could be he just wants to walk to the bar or whatever. He might have plenty of parking a… | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 05:16 PM |
| 1 | I am a girl.. is there a way to redeem myself this?seddit is not a secret society. Nothing I do to pickup and sleep with a woman would be nullified by her having knowledge of pickup or seduction. If your game is still limited to canned materials and The Cube, you're probably going to want to step it up a notch. Start practicing without routines...they're training wheels until you get comfortable talking to girls. You should lose them after a few outings. Besides that, we're here to help the people who show up to get more sex, better relationship… | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 05:02 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Follow-up date with karaoke ex-boyfriend girlthe ex-boyfriend was there outside her house!! I loled. Somehow, I just knew the boyfriend was going to make an appearance, somehow. That first ex-boyfriend encounter in your first field report was just too convenient. This chick just can't stay away from the guy. | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 07:19 AM |
| 7 | Cute blond that I have managed not to LJBF (I think) is sitting in front of me (with headphones on). What would *you* do?Oh, no. You've bought Mystery's "fool's mate" and "7 hour" rule. All of that is bunk. Mystery is a brilliant PUA, but he's wrong sometimes. You can have sex with a girl in under an hour. It doesn't break anything. I often sleep with a woman after about 3 hours of time spent with her...and most of the time, it's pretty clear to me I could push it faster if I wanted to. Every woman is different, and yours might take 7 hours to lay (or even get a makeout with), but you don't lose points for being t… | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 04:40 AM |
| 8 | Cute blond that I have managed not to LJBF (I think) is sitting in front of me (with headphones on). What would *you* do?You don't understand LJBF or the friend zone. You can be friendly with a girl, while still having her attracted to you and being well outside of the friend zone. You're also pushing pretty hard on this whole "DHV" thing, I think without quite grokking where you're going with your interactions. In short, you're using a lot of PUA terms, without grasping the underlying meaning or philosophy behind them very well. Asking for her number is bold, and thus attractive. Don't be afraid to secure the dig… | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 04:12 AM |
| 16 | Fucked up big time. Do I still have a chance?That was retarded on so many levels. Don't get drunk angry. That's just got beta all over it. Don't cockblock for girls who aren't your target no matter whether you think they're being skanky or not. That's not your concern. Everyone is responsible for their own behavior. You're responsible for yours. Don't be a total asshole to girls who are friends with your friends and your target. Do you still have a chance? Not if there's any justice in the world. You were a dick to people who've never done… | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 04:07 AM |
| 2 | Women get their own man-gaming tips from magazinesNeither of those things is crazy. A lot of guys dig it. I'm not really among them, but it's not uncommon at all. | /r/seduction | 08/11/10 03:48 AM |
| 2 | [FR] Loser at a ClubI have never once talked about sports in a bar or club. I've never sat through an entire Superbowl, or World Cup match, and wouldn't know the first thing about conversing about sports. I honestly have no idea about sports. I think you'd be surprised by what you can talk about with girls in a bar or club...but you have to be in the right state of mind, and you have to find the right girls, if you want to talk all smart with yer big words and such. I've talked about technology, frequently, for exa… | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 08:21 PM |
| 1 | [FR] Loser at a ClubI don't want to be awesome. I don't want to climb mountains or travel a lot. This is what I'm talking about. I feel like I'm expected to do impressive things and have stories about amazing experiences I've had. I eat well, I run a lot, I pay my bills. I dress nice and try to get outside a lot. I have some hobbies but I spend a lot of my time just thinking, or meditating I guess, like I'm kind of floating in this abstract space in my head and I can't really put into words what I'm experiencing. I… | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 08:10 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Loser at a Clubvarious bowls and cups being in season are proper bar subjects I have no idea what this means. Probably has something to do with why our species is doomed. Hooray! The life of the party has finally arrived! ;) | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 07:49 PM |
| 8 | How do I get rid of zombie AFCs following me around?"Hey man, good to see you again, but I can't chat right now. We'll be back later though, cool?" Best is if you have a set you can introduce him into. "Hey, John, do you know Charles and Jennifer and Rick? Let me introduce you." Then you can say to the whole set, "Hey guys, we're getting out of here for a bit...we'll be back later." I don't mind having dudes sort of glomming on to me. It's more social proof. Not the best kind (good looking girls are the best kind), but it works. There's also an i… | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 07:46 PM |
| 1 | [FR] Loser at a ClubI know I need to start socializing more but sometimes when I think about doing it I feel overwhelmed. Especially after reading all of these seduction stories and the amount of techniques and all thought that people put into it. We're analyzing here. We debrief each other in order to internalize better social responses. The real experience is not one of, "Which line should I run here? Do I need to push/pull here? OK, now kino. Uh, oh, I'm losing her. Need to withdraw and flirt with other girls no… | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 07:31 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Loser at a ClubYeah, I've been there. You can probably change that if you want to. I was able to, anyway, and I absolutely relate to everything you've just described. I'm extremely analytical. I historically would observe enjoyment in others rather than participate in it. I think it comes from growing up nerdy and being an outsider most of the time. Most of my social interaction has always been online...I was a BBS junkie when I was a kid, and then an Internet junkie. Almost never went to parties or out with g… | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 06:37 PM |
| 1 | [FR] Loser at a ClubYou're an introvert. Social situations drain you rather than energize you. I'm the same way. They're not all putting on a show...some people really do relish social interaction and are charged up by it, in the same way you and I enjoy solitude and are recharged by peace and quiet. But, it is possible for an introvert to flip the switch for a while and have a good time in a social environment. What I've found works best is to make friends during day game, build a social circle...and then go with … | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 06:16 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Loser at a ClubIt's not 24/7. It's just the three or four hours you're out at the club. Day game doesn't have to look like a party (though you do need to be enjoying your interactions, or they won't go anywhere). Look, nobody is forcing you to do anything. You can sit in a corner, be sullen all you want to. No one here is going to try to stop you. But, you're going to do it alone. Nobody goes out to a club to be serious and talk serious issues. They go to have fun, connect with friends, hook up with members of… | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 05:57 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Loser at a ClubOr, you could, you know, actually have fun. | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 05:29 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Loser at a ClubYou're not a lost cause. You're just a little further behind the usual starting line than a lot of guys. We were all nerds in school...that's pretty much universal across seddit, and even in the seduction community, at large, to a lesser degree. That's how we all got desperate enough to seek out help and found the community. Practice fixes you. Sometimes, you just have to power through. Other times, you can call it a night early, and come back when you're in a better mood. But, you have to keep … | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 05:28 PM |
| 1 | [FR] Loser at a ClubThis is absolutely true. Don't pay any attention to the troll. While it's true non-white guys have a slightly steeper hill to climb when going after some white women in some areas (not all cities have this problem; Indian and Asian guys do fine in San Francisco, for example, I suspect they do roughly as well as white guys, or darned close to it), the individual variation is much more important than the racial variation in response. A smooth Indian guy will do much better than a clumsy white guy.… | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 05:20 PM |
| 2 | [FR] Loser at a ClubActually, I'm pretty sure he's good looking, because otherwise the shit he's pulling would not result in this nice of a response from girls (Ingrid coming back later, girl grinding him on the dance floor, that shit doesn't happen to dudes who act like this, unless they're good looking, or the girls are cows). So, he's probably not an impossible case. | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 10:00 AM |
| 25 | [FR] Loser at a ClubFirst up, congratulations on your first nights out. I can tell you feel a bit shitty about it right now, but you actually did fine. With this, you can learn, and improve...and with regular practice you will improve surprisingly fast. Here's some tips: I was standing behind a guy who had a knit cap with a knit beard attached to it, which looked kind of cool. I inquired as to its origins. Apparently, etsy.com. I didn't talk to that group further. Cool. Good job opening a random set outside. Doesn'… | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 09:53 AM |
| 5 | [FR] Loser at a ClubIf he's trolling, he is truly a master. Let's just assume he isn't, and really needs our help. | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 09:11 AM |
| 1 | How to deal with out of town interests.I have a long distance fuck buddy that I see a few times a year when I'm visiting the west coast. I chat with her briefly online about once or twice a week, and send her something funny every now and then. We're old friends, so it's maybe a little easier than a new relationship. I don't think distance is specifically beneficial or hurtful, as it's going to depend on the girl. I'm working on a girl in my new town, who I hope will be a regular fuck buddy, including when I come back through here in… | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 07:58 AM |
| 4 | Just stumbled upon seddit, and...I think when you're older the easier it becomes because older women are more desperate and more up front about what they want. This only applies if you date women your own age. I date girls from about 23-32 (all younger than me by at least a few years). But, I think you're imagining some idyllic time in the future when meeting women gets easy. After college there is never a time when meeting women is easy. You always have to go out, build your social circle, keep it live and interesting, etc. An… | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 01:49 AM |
| 3 | [FR] of a party my sister hadYou wouldn't have even done this well (and you didn't do well, at all, in these texts) if your sister weren't in the picture. She's going to be nice to you because she knows your sister. But, you were very try-hard and needy. That never works, and always kills any attraction that may have been there. | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 01:39 AM |
| 6 | [FR] of a party my sister hadThis is all solid. To extend on never saying, "I can come to you", it's totally legit to meet her halfway, but it's better to make it clear you were already going to be over that way. You had errands, lunch with an old friend, shopping for something specific in the neighborhood, whatever. Just some reason to already be over there. Being too eager to go to lengths for a girl you just met comes across needy. | /r/seduction | 07/11/10 01:37 AM |
| 2 | Where to put your hands, when standing?I'm utterly unfamiliar with Doc Love. But, the description of his ideas in that article are definitely consonant with the standard party line of most of the PUA community, including seddit. He would fit in fine here, and if that's your source, then it shouldn't seem too weird to roam around seddit. That said, if he advocates not touching women, however, I simply can't agree with him. It's simply insane to give up such an awesome tool for building attraction and comfort. -Waiting 5-9 days after y… | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 11:18 PM |
| 7 | How to deal with a shy girl ?She's always looking at me when she talks (which is rare), even when it's not me she's talking to, she likes to pinch me (she doesn't do it with my friend), and she's pushing me playfully when we walk. She's not the shy one in this situation. You are. What is wrong with you, dude? She's trying to play with you, and you're doing nothing about it. She tosses the ball, and you just watch it hit the ground. | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 09:47 PM |
| 1 | Just stumbled upon seddit, and...Women are just as diverse as men are, so why not focus on a girl who's just as awkward as you are? Who says I would have had the courage to talk to her before I started down this path? I almost certainly wouldn't have. Every girl I dated before getting involved in this approached me and chose me. I was lucky that I'm kinda cute and have some other very interesting qualities that drew those lovely girls into my life. But, I didn't have the guts to talk to a stranger, much less ask her for her num… | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 09:33 PM |
| 6 | Just stumbled upon seddit, and...There are several women who participate in seddit. Some are looking for advice for how to pickup men or women themselves. Some are looking for advice on dealing with guys who they think are using "PUA tactics". I think some just enjoy seeing us nice guys suffer, learn, and grow, and maybe pick up a few tips for themselves on spotting players (because when the Nice Guys get good at this stuff, they do tend to become players for at least a little while, to make up for lost time). Some have a profe… | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 09:17 PM |
| 1 | Where to put your hands, when standing?Your words seem to be English, but they don't make any sense. I am absolutely certain, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that touching a woman early and often gets you to bed with her faster than any other single technique or tactic. I'm positive of it. If you have any doubts about that, then you're either delusional, extremely inexperienced with women, or trolling. Touching is the most scientifically backed seduction technique we have. There are reams of peer-reviewed studies about the positive effec… | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 08:58 PM |
| 1 | Help me salvage this, seddit.One-itis, you has it. Move on. There are other beautiful sexy smart fish in the sea. Go meet some of them. She knows nothing is going to come of your relationship, so she's backing off. Which is exactly what you should be doing. You should have hooked up when you had the chance. Now it's done. Go make new chances with new girls. | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 08:45 PM |
| 5 | What's your favorite opener.The standard openers are useful training wheels, but eventually you realize the opening isn't all that important. You just want to start a conversation, and find out if it's going anywhere. I don't believe there is any opener that can magically build attraction from those first words...all it can do is get the attention of the girls you want to talk to for a moment so you have a chance to build attraction (or find out if there is no chance, in which case, you move on). | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 07:41 PM |
| 7 | Wygant Method: How do I challenge women?The key is to embrace the belief that you are the prize, and she's trying to impress you. If you love to travel, you can ask her if she's adventurous, and ask her to describe her dream vacation (this one actually "elicits values", which is a popular idea in other PUA schools of thought, but it works to challenge a girl, too). You'll find that with experience, you don't need to try very hard to naturally do this stuff. When you actually have an abundance of women you are choosing from, you actual… | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 07:39 PM |
| 8 | What's your favorite opener."Hey, how're you guys doing?" Or, "Hey, how's it going?" | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 07:04 PM |
| 9 | First date went well (consisted of kino + kissing, in the course of 3 venues). Next steps?Then I texted her, asking what she is doing tonight. Don't do this. Do this: Hey, I'm hanging at X bar tonight. You should come by around 9. Or: Hey, I've gotta be downtown Sunday, and I'll have an hour to kill. Meet me at Y coffee shop at 3. If she has plans, she'll tell you. You should do less asking and more telling. | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 05:46 PM |
| 19 | Just stumbled upon seddit, and...You're young. Odds are, this relationship you're in won't last. When things go to crap, and you find yourself single for a few months while your process of meeting women "through friends, or work, or common interests" fails to produce results (because the older you get, the harder this becomes), you may change your tune. The seduction community will still be here to help you get your shit sorted. The same guys won't be in it, because they'll have mastered their own situation and no longer requir… | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 05:18 PM |
| 2 | Where to put your hands, when standing?You must be new here. | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 04:30 PM |
| 1 | [FR] Halloween Weekend or: My Discovery of the Power of Social ProofIn that case, figure out whether she can host. Find out if she has roommates, if she can invite you in, etc. earlier in the night via subtle probing. If so, the "My place is just around the corner." can be turned into, "How about we go to your place?" Not quite as effective as your own place, but it works. When I was in college, I also lived at home, and I mostly took girls to hotels, which also requires a bit of extra effort and attraction, since it has a slightly "dirty" vibe about it. | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 07:32 AM |
| 2 | Anyone tried CL missed connections to meet people?Would you have ever responded to one that you found particularly interesting, amusing, or outlandish even if you knew it had nothing to do with you? | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 06:38 AM |
| 4 | In the midst of a semi-full stop. Advice seddit? (Somewhat long)I'm not sure I follow the invite situation. What triggered the conversion from "sure" to "maybe"? It sounds kinda like your freeze out freaked her out about going to the game...she's not sure you actually want to take her. I think that's a problematic use of a full-stop, if you had plans already made before the full stop, and you actually wanted to do those plans. I can say you talk too much via text. That's obvious. Don't chat with her. Send her occasionally funny texts, an occasional order to … | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 06:11 AM |
| 9 | Where to put your hands, when standing?One hand holding a drink by your hip, one gently resting in your pocket (not jammed in, not hooked by the thumb), or on a girls hip or shoulder. Just think WWCD (What Would Clooney Do?) and you'll do OK. Clooney would do something like this: http://twistedgrace.com/tgpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/george_clooney_sarah_larson.jpg Though his foot's a little goofy in this one on account of his chick's dress. Arms relaxed at your sides is fine, too. I use mine a lot when talking...I'm a big talker… | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 05:38 AM |
| 6 | How can I be the best wing[wo]man I can be?Treat your friends with respect and show that you like them. Smile when you're around them, because they're awesome. They should, of course, be doing the same for you, even if you're not on the prowl for guys (or girls). Women, just by being around, are a valuable asset to a man trying to meet and attract women. The better you look, and the more fun you're having, the more valuable you become in that pursuit. All the usual wingman advice also applies. Engage the cockblocks, engage the friends of… | /r/seduction | 06/11/10 02:30 AM |
| 2 | Just a questionI've said it before, and I'll say it again: If you're not getting the number, you're not getting the girl. I just laugh and say, "Nah, I don't really do facebook except for actual close friends, you know? I just met you, and I'm not sure I like you that much." And then eject, unless she then volunteers the number. But she's not a particularly good lead at this point, anyway, so even if she changes her tune, it's probably gonna be a no when you text her later. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 11:08 PM |
| 1 | Anyone tried CL missed connections to meet people?I've never even considered this. Awaiting your findings. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 11:05 PM |
| 2 | I want to have my cake and eat it to.No. Many are men who have been married for years, and are being cuckolded by their wife, or their wife is divorcing them, or any number of horrendous things...and they're still trying to figure out how to get them back with niceness, in a lot of cases. It is eye-opening what some guys will do for mediocre pussy. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 10:53 PM |
| 1 | I want to have my cake and eat it to.It's not nearly as black and white as you make it sound with these categories. No, I don't think it is all that black and white. Nothing about humans is. This beta male that buys her gifts, meets her friends, and worships her with the hope that he may one day be lucky enough to touch her breast, well, he doesn't exist. The competition is not that retarded. Here we disagree. Have you not seen some of the beta posts on r/relatonshipadvice and r/askreddit? There are some truly pathetic guys out the… | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 10:19 PM |
| 1 | Should I experiment with her feelings?I don't know; the science is still early and inconclusive, but promising. Proceed as thought it is. It's good for your confidence to assume the girl you're talking to has a genetically programmed desire to fuck you. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 09:04 PM |
| 1 | Should I experiment with her feelings?I'm just giving the advice I wish I'd had earlier in my life. Take it or leave it. If you really feel like she's the best you can get, then go for it...but that's a pretty self-defeating attitude. There are millions of girls. Go out and meet some. There's an interesting phenomenon called "genetic compatibility" (one study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10964221 but there have been others, including the relatively famous sweaty T-shirt experiment), which means that the women you find most at… | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 08:12 PM |
| 2 | Should I experiment with her feelings?No. Don't lower your standards. It's bad for your game. Also, don't fuck girls you work with. It's bad for your career. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 07:37 PM |
| 6 | Got the number of this dancer at a club... how to proceed.The boyfriend thing was a shit test, I think. She gets hit on all the time, and needs to weed out the weak ones. Proceed as normal. If she has a boyfriend, that's her problem, not yours. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 07:35 PM |
| 5 | Cock blocked very badly. Anything I could have done differently?She's crazy, but she's alpha. That kind of girl is really dangerous, because you can't even call her out or get violent with her if things get out of hand...unlike male cockblocks or assholes who know that there is some point at which there could be a fight, bitchy women just assume no man would ever hit them, so they have no limits on how far they'll go. And, of course, if you were to drop all sense of chivalry and black her eye, as she possibly deserves, your social value will drop to zero wit… | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 07:29 PM |
| 1 | Cock blocked very badly. Anything I could have done differently?Even as a mostly AFC I had a blast in college, and got laid a reasonable amount. College is the land of milk and honey, when it comes to meeting beautiful girls. But, yeah, there's some silly shit, too. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 07:24 PM |
| 1 | What is general consensus on meeting a girl at your place on a first date?You've already covered all the pros and cons. Not much else to say on the subject. If it works comfortably with where you live, then you should do it. If it doesn't, you shouldn't. I meet girls downtown, since my place is in a complex and not a short walking distance to anything interesting. But, it's only an 8 minute drive from downtown so we can get a cab or take her car back to my place after the first date, if things are going well. I've only been here a couple of weeks, but it's worked fine… | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 05:22 PM |
| 4 | I want to have my cake and eat it to.Define "success"? Yes, you can take the provider path, and end up sleeping with a woman. You may even have a satisfying sexual relationship with her. The question is merely, "Which one gets you to your goals faster, more effectively, more often, and with more women?" And the answer is definitely not taking the provider path. Betas always think it's a good path because they usually look pretty good on paper. Their nerdiness in school means they probably have a high-paying, reliable, job today. Be… | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 05:05 PM |
| 2 | If you can use a pickup line with this level of playfulness, you could possibly get any woman interested.Meh, looks are overrated for guys. I've known ugly guys and fat guys who have landed hotter girls than I have achieved, so far (I'm decent looking, tall, and fit). And, pickup lines cannot be "confident". The person delivering them is where the confidence lies. The line is irrelevant...which is my entire point. It's not what you say, it's your state of mind when you say it. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 06:24 AM |
| 2 | What if I like giving girls presents?For friends? No problem! If they're effective wings, and they aren't beta-fying you in front of your targets, perfect. You don't give gifts to girls you want to sleep with. Everybody else it's fine. But, I'm hesitant to fully sign off on this...I'm a little worried about the dynamic between you and the girls you're giving the flowers to. It seems like maybe there's a lot of opportunity for this to end with you looking really beta. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 05:20 AM |
| 1 | I may need counseling / therapy to get over my problems. Has anyone here gone through it? Does it work?Yes. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 05:14 AM |
| 2 | Pheromones?Of course not. It's bullshit from a bunch of spammers. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 05:14 AM |
| 1 | I may need counseling / therapy to get over my problems. Has anyone here gone through it? Does it work?seddit is awesome because guys are as likely to reference George Soros as Ross Jeffreys. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 04:58 AM |
| 3 | Aaron SleazyHe is the latest praised and lauded new master PUA so he is admired, important and followed That's stretching it a bit. Every "expert" PUA claims to have a huge following, and loads of success stories turning guys around. It doesn't make it true. You should just realize that all "experts" are self-proclaimed. You can't get a college degree or certification in this stuff...so anybody who wants to be a master pickup artist can just start calling themselves one. Somebody will believe it. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 04:57 AM |
| 2 | Pheromones?This pheromonetalk site has spammed seddit twice now under different usernames with almost this exact same phrasing. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 04:38 AM |
| 5 | I want to have my cake and eat it to.So, there's this notion that girls want a man who can provide for her. It's the theory that women want a man who can help raise the kids, keep a roof over her head, provide long-term security, etc. Google "provider vs. lover" for more on the subject. But, basically, you're in the provider role if you do a traditional date. You invite her our to dinner and a movie. You pay for everything. You try to convince her you are a good man, a successful man, good with kids, will get along with her family,… | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 03:56 AM |
| 1 | Want to apply PUA techniques, but have no money.Yeah, I just like to make sure I have enough ones to tip even if I get a different bartender. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 02:55 AM |
| 1 | Want to apply PUA techniques, but have no money.You can't invite a girl you just met to your house as a first date. That requires some getting to know her first. But, sure, inviting her to your house is a great second date choice. So, why do you have no money? Get a goddamn job, dude. PUA recommended dating practices require dramatically less money than traditional dating, but it still helps to have a little money for drinks, snacks, decent clothes, tips for bartenders (always tip you bartender), condoms, etc. It's also really hard to land th… | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 02:46 AM |
| 3 | Want to apply PUA techniques, but have no money.This. You only need a couple bucks for tipping your bartender for this. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 02:37 AM |
| 5 | I want to have my cake and eat it to.It depends. Every girl is different and they don't all want or expect monogamy, particularly early in the relationship, so try to find more of that kind of girl. But, I think there's also a problem with your game; online dating might be the bug in your system. I think girls there tend to be of the type who have tired of hookups and want a Serious Relationship. If they're really set on that, there isn't much to be done about it. But, when I go out, if I'm looking for non-monogamous relationships,… | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 02:02 AM |
| 2 | [FR] First date overall successful with strange endingI agree on this one, though it sounds like he was between a rock and a hard place. If they're just across the street from the place, and she wants to go, it'd be hard to argue without coming off like a dick. But, I think maybe South-West is onto something...this sounds planned on her part, in which case, it's a pretty ugly situation to be in. | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 01:03 AM |
| 4 | [FR] weird texting interaction, turned out fineThis doesn't feel all that weird to me. Sure, it's a little clunky in places, where the conversation gets a bit confused. But everybody is human. Girls never respond exactly how you imagined they would. The difference between success and failure is rolling with the changes, without ever losing your cool or your frame of being the prize. I think you did fine here. You didn't jump to be at her beck and call, when she gave you multiple opportunities to do so, which is good (AFCs always take that ba… | /r/seduction | 05/11/10 12:42 AM |
| 1 | Ask Mature Seedit: Any tips?I'm mid-30s and look late 20s, according to pretty much everyone who says anything about it. have you found the game any different with women in their 30s? Principles are the same. The exact words and situations are different. Since I started learning game, I've dated girls from about 23 to 32, and occasionally hook up with a girl my age. Older women require less aggressive game, usually, and are much less maintenance. You don't have to be as challenging with older women to keep them interested.… | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 11:15 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Halloween Weekend or: My Discovery of the Power of Social ProofOK, so last night I bragged on your post, because it is a beautiful field report and really awesome game. But, today, when not incapacitated by medication and sleepiness, I see where you've gone wrong, and what we can maybe help you with: Logistics and pulling the trigger. She was eager to fuck you. You were eager to fuck her. Something went wrong to make that not happen. What was it? When things are really getting steamy, you don't have to stay in the bar until last call. Last call is a psychol… | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 07:06 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Halloween Weekend or: My Discovery of the Power of Social ProofAgreed. The hand on thigh bit he followed up with is money. Just beautifully played. I'm totally using that if I ever find myself in that kind of conversation. I don't like the lion gambit, personally. I've tried it a couple of times, and it got a poor response. It didn't break anything, and I still slept with the girls, but it always felt a little forced and seemed to break rapport. That may be just because I suck at canned material. I think the smelling her hair bit could have probably gone a … | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 06:56 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Halloween Weekend or: My Discovery of the Power of Social ProofIt's perfect. Don't change a thing about your field reports. Being long is only a problem if it's an agonizing analysis of one interaction with one girl. Those kind of field reports should be really short, including only the top two or three mistakes the guy thinks he made, and asking for guidance on how to do better in the future. Yours is a story of the gestalt of pickup, and length is no problem, as long as your writing is clear, concise, and on point, which it is. I'm for more of this sort o… | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 06:50 PM |
| 9 | If you can use a pickup line with this level of playfulness, you could possibly get any woman interested.Calm down dude. I've worked on movies. I know the score. This is all fake. It's TV. Nothing about it is real. Those people were saying what someone told them to say. We all know that. But, that's not the point of what I said. My point was merely that you can say any goddamn thing you want to say, and if you're in the right state of mind, in the right circumstance (such as surrounded by girls), you can open a set successfully. | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 06:44 PM |
| 3 | Not seeming desperate and needy.I always think people are thinking the worst about me. Everybody thinks this, including the girl you're talking to. The power goes to the one who can see the fears for what they are, just random mental noise, and not let it guide your actions. I know I'm fucked up, but that is the reality I'm trying to deal with. I really have to just shut up more often. It's damn hard though. I have a giant mouth sometimes. So do the girls you're talking to. Let them walk themselves into embarrassing, funny, mo… | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 06:32 PM |
| 1 | In order to fuck this girl I have to be fucked my a male.Yep, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Relax about teh gays, dude. They aren't gonna try to sneak up on you and fuck you while you're sleeping, or secretly put gayjuice in your coffee to turn you gay. | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 06:10 PM |
| 3 | If you can use a pickup line with this level of playfulness, you could possibly get any woman interested.Yeah, that'll do it, too. I definitely wouldn't suggest making this your pickup persona. It's just bad mojo, generally speaking. But, honestly, since so much of what goes on is internal and has nothing to do with the words coming out of your mouth, you can say just about anything (as long as it is not retarded) and it will hook at a reasonable rate. In the right state, you can open a girl with just about any line, or no line at all. If you're laughing about it, a cheesy pickup line can be used t… | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 05:50 PM |
| 1 | In order to fuck this girl I have to be fucked my a male.Whatever. You're obviously freaked out by gay people. ;) | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 04:51 PM |
| 12 | Not seeming desperate and needy.I had a minor breakthrough recently with regard to text game, which had been a sticking point for me (texting is where the day 2 is setup, which is where you get laid...so, if you break the interaction here, you're never making it to sex). That revelation was simply this: When in doubt, say nothing. If you aren't sure what to say to build the attraction, put your phone back in your pocket and go back to what you were doing before. Sometimes even if you do know what to say, let it sit for a while… | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 04:50 PM |
| 2 | In order to fuck this girl I have to be fucked my a male.I've never heard this ever. You're getting it because you're obviously homophobic. Here's what you say: "Wait, I can fuck a dude instead? Forget fucking you! Where is this dude? I need some dick." | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 04:33 PM |
| 3 | In order to fuck this girl I have to be fucked my a male.Actually, I believe you'd see this kind of thing if you gave off Ted Haggard style vibes. Very anti-gay on the surface...but everybody kinda suspects he wants some dick. darkhorn is giving me those kinda vibes in all of his comments, but it could just be his Turkish upbringing and lack of women. Guys from conservative cultures are much more uptight about homosexuality. ;) If you honestly have no problem with teh gays, you'll never get this kinda shit test. The paradox is that if you honestly hav… | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 04:32 PM |
| 5 | If you can use a pickup line with this level of playfulness, you could possibly get any woman interested.Here's when this kind of thing would work well: When you are surrounded by beautiful women who are laughing and being playful and leaning on you. I've had reasonable success (though no day 2s from it, so far) grabbing a girl as they walk by my group and saying something goofy and enthusiastic along these lines. Something like, "Wait, wait. Come here. (Look her up and down) You're the person I need to meet. What's your name?" It'll also work if you're really good looking, like Will Smith. Having … | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 04:13 PM |
| 3 | Seddit, does a slow move exist, and does/would it work?I have no idea what you're talking about. | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 04:04 PM |
| 4 | Only able to talk to girls I don't likeAs with just about everything: Practice will fix it. I've found this to be true for me. 8s are no longer a problem for me, and 9s are usually fine, too, though I still sometimes fall back to self-deprecating AFC mode (it makes her laugh, but it doesn't make her attracted). | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 05:43 AM |
| 0 | First casual date - any advice?You came to us too late for us to be particularly helpful. Your day 2 venue is a poor choice for building attraction. Your frame is weak in all of your conversations with this girl. You let her lead you, and you act like her assistant rather than her seducer. You never let her pick until after you've slept with her. Not because you're mean and trying to get sex, but because women hate to choose the movie (or the restaurant or the activity). Women crave a man who will lead them. And equally impor… | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 05:39 AM |
| 15 | Boyfriend shit-test or not, what's the best approachIf she is responding to your escalation, the boyfriend is irrelevant. The only person that should care if she has a boyfriend is her. If she doesn't, then why would you? If, on the other hand, she just likes having a buddy when her boyfriend isn't available, but doesn't plan to actually have a sexual relationship with you, then you need to go into friend zone recovery mode. Becoming her orbiter is just a sad way for a PUA to go out of the game. Have you escalated to the point where she says "no"… | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 04:10 AM |
| 5 | [FR] Halloween Weekend or: My Discovery of the Power of Social ProofExcellent job, and compellingly-told, too. I'm a little tired just reading it, but I caught a cold making out with random girls over Halloween, so it could be the medication making me tired. You are a credit to your species. | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 04:00 AM |
| 1 | I may need counseling / therapy to get over my problems. Has anyone here gone through it? Does it work?Extensive skills or expertise in some area? Something like that. I have plenty of accomplishments to convince someone else that I'm awesome, if I had to prove it on paper. But, that's not where confidence comes from. And, confidence means you don't need to prove it. It is its own value. It doesn't matter where it comes from, really. It's my own self-assessment...and I believe it. That's what matters for confidence. My confidence used to present itself as a quiet but stubborn smugness, but that's… | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 02:54 AM |
| 2 | Besides social status why are you guys so concerned with hot bitches?Oh, yeah, because nobody thinks Natalie Portman and Zooey Deschanel are hot. You've just said, "I'm not that into this kind of perfect 10, but I go crazy over that kind of perfect 10 and this other kind of perfect 10." And, if you're telling us you wouldn't fuck Angelina Jolie or Megan Fox if given the chance, then I question your masculinity. Megan Fox is not my type, either, but damn if she doesn't have a body to kill for. | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 12:59 AM |
| 1 | Besides social status why are you guys so concerned with hot bitches?I don't target only young girls. And, in fact, my most recent fuck buddy is only a few years younger than me, though she still has a smoking size 2 body and the biggest tits of any woman I've ever been with (I'm not a breast man, but I'm not going to complain). But, you're idealizing older girls. They do begin to become less sexy with time. Many women, even beautiful women, start to lose it in the late twenties and early thirties...and by their forties, women who are still fuckable are pretty ha… | /r/seduction | 04/11/10 12:46 AM |
| 10 | Huge inner game issues. Advice?Or just seriously be like "fuck it", and just direct game and just have a nice heart to heart? This is direct, but it is not game. Never imagine that a heart to heart is game, my friend. It is anti-game. Women like mystery, they like thrills, they like surprise. They like emotional roller coasters and uncertainty. They live for it, in fact. A heart to heart conversation where you bare your soul is the antithesis of all of that. It takes away all the mystery...you lay all your cards on the table.… | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 11:54 PM |
| 4 | What'd I do wrong here?I'm afraid this canal leads to crazy town, my friend. But, for those who find themselves in the position of the accused, you should realize it's generally a shit test. A couple days ago, I'd just gotten a girl to my house and into the bedroom, and we were making out but still fully clothed. She said something dirty, and I joked that she was my favorite girl that day, and she paused momentarily and said, "Wait, you mean you've had other girls today?" My reply, "Well..." while looking intentionall… | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 11:42 PM |
| 1 | I may need counseling / therapy to get over my problems. Has anyone here gone through it? Does it work?Simply put, if you could fake confidence, women wouldn't be attracted to it. This one I have to disagree with. "Fake it till you make it" is a mantra in the seduction community for a reason. It works. Sure, fake confidence is nowhere near as effective as the real deal, but if you approach a hundred girls, almost certainly one of them will bite, and many more, maybe even most of them, will be reasonably pleasant, comfortable conversations. That becomes a self-reinforcing confidence loop. It worke… | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 11:13 PM |
| 1 | I may need counseling / therapy to get over my problems. Has anyone here gone through it? Does it work?I'm not entirely sure about that. I remember back when I was a kid, and had a lot of issues, was fat, got picked on, wore thick glasses, always last to be picked for teams, no girls were interested until late in high school when I grew some and thinned down a bit, had learning disabilities that were undiagnosed until the end of elementary school, had a speech impediment, etc. And, yet, I can remember knowing, with certainty, that I was smarter than almost anyone I came in contact with, including… | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 09:11 PM |
| 4 | Girl A or Girl B... really need some advice (update from first post 2 months ago)I wrote up a note and everything today confessing that I like her which I'm just now trying to figure out if I should give it to her or not. No! Any question that contains the words "confessing that I like her", the answer is always "No!" | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 05:45 PM |
| 1 | I may need counseling / therapy to get over my problems. Has anyone here gone through it? Does it work?Great advice on the weights. A lot of people don't realize that the key to exercise is iron, and lots of it. If you're just doing cardio, you're not helping (unless you're trying to solve a specific health problem that can be corrected by cardio). Weights three days a week, cardio the other days, is the right balance. I've got the same exact problem, basically, I'm fucking invisible to women. I would like to point out that nearly all men are nearly fucking invisible to women until they walk up a… | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 04:16 PM |
| 1 | Girls stop texting after invitationThe most recent time the conversation was six one-sentence texts total. Is that too much? Probably. Depends on how much attraction and rapport you had when you were together in person. The more you build when you're in person, the more leeway you have later. I'm iffy on karaoke for a day 2. A lot of people are freaked out by karaoke. Fear of public speaking is extremely widespread, and karaoke is about the same thing. As a group, the number of people willing to do it increases...but, as a date, … | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 03:08 PM |
| 10 | Bitches love smiley faces? ;)Don't be ornery. | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 02:35 PM |
| 3 | I think I'm very close to the "let's just be friends". It might be too late for me.Flirtacious touching and teasing that ramps up towards your goals for the relationship (usually that means turning it into a sexual relationship). There's an "in mere minutes" path to kissing, which is to push-pull really aggressively quickly and then start closing in for the kiss. Though it probably doesn't work as well on a girl you've been hanging out with, without escalating (the longer you know a girl without escalating, the harder it becomes to escalate to a sexual relationship; them's the… | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 06:13 AM |
| 5 | I think I'm very close to the "let's just be friends". It might be too late for me.Jebus. Don't spring a kiss on a girl out of the blue! What is wrong with you? Even if she likes you, she's probably going to be freaked by an ambush kiss. You have to escalate a bit first. If there's attraction you can escalate to kissing in mere minutes...but you still have to escalate. | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 05:14 AM |
| 1 | Conflicting Perspectives: Should I give away compliments?When she's showing compliance a compliment is fine. But, the type of compliment, I think, is worth thinking about. Saying a girl is pretty is pretty much never the right path for a girl you haven't slept with. But, saying, "I really like your style." or "You look good in those boots." is complimenting something she chose rather than something she is. I think there's a subtle difference in how it is interpreted and the buttons it pushes. She feels good, but it probably doesn't trigger the same de… | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 04:30 AM |
| 2 | Got her number, texted her, did not work out quite as planned. Advice?I don't think there's anything too bad in this. I don't like to go overtly sexual via text, until there's physical sex between us, but I may be old-fashioned. If you've established yourself as an unrepentant asshole (but a funny and good-natured asshole), you can get away with a lot later, including stuff that would offend ordinarily. I wouldn't have said, "I'm just kidding with you" in this circumstance, or any other, probably. Though I do sometimes say "I'm just picking on you", but I'm trying… | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 04:07 AM |
| 3 | Bitches love smiley faces? ;)Hehehe...Granted. My game was super tight on Friday. She was putty in my hands that night. But, actually, it's not quite as frisky as it sounds...it was subtle artsy stuff. No pink, no nips, just the curves and some skin. I think she's just really proud of her body (she has tats all over and enjoyed showing off in the bedroom). She's just that kinda girl. But, this little interaction probably could have been a trouble spot if I'd let her keep arguing about the meetup. It was getting late, she ha… | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 03:28 AM |
| 2 | Would appreciate advice on an online attemptI don't think you really understand the concept of ultimatum bargaining. And, I disagree. I'm pretty sure you don't understand negotiation, at all. Nor do you yet understand that you can never win by negotiating with a woman you want to sleep with. Ultimatums are the last ditch effort of someone with no other bargaining chips. "I'll just take my ball and go home!" is what a child does when they don't get their way. A high value man always has other options, so he's never desperate enough to fall… | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 03:14 AM |
| 17 | I may need counseling / therapy to get over my problems. Has anyone here gone through it? Does it work?Women are attracted to men who are self-confident and happy with their lives. I'm not self-confident or happy with my life because women are not attracted to me. You're looking for outside validation. That won't help. Even if women were to find you physically attractive, you won't see it or believe it (which would repulse them because of your behavior). Or if you do begin to believe it, you'll find other reasons for why you have no value. As long as you are seeking external validation, you will … | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 02:42 AM |
| 1 | Interesting discussion on "Relationship Hacks"I think there's too much garbage in there to find the real good stuff (it's about 90% garbage, and 10% interesting ideas). It's just too time-consuming to wade through it all for so little valuable information. | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 02:03 AM |
| 9 | Girls stop texting after invitationYou're asking for advice about the wrong stage of the interaction. You don't need to try to find the right response to her not responding. If she isn't responding, it's already too late. You've lost her. And, you haven't told us exactly what you said when inviting her out. Here's what I think you did wrong, but I'm kinda guessing: You talked too much before telling her to meet you. You shouldn't text more than two or three times before asking her out. Don't chat with her via text. You can't buil… | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 01:36 AM |
| 5 | Fashion / wardrobe?I think I do better when going very casual, as well. It really depends on your "tribe" and the tribe of the girls you're going after. Some girls really like snappy dressers, some girls like laid back guys. I also live in a super laid back town...I would guess it is the most laid back town in America, if not the world. It's famous for it's laid back attitude. Flip flops and shorts and T-shirts are the wardrobe of almost everyone, male and female, nearly year round. At night, people, particularly … | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 12:47 AM |
| 4 | Bitches love smiley faces? ;)I only use smileys when I've said something that is a push or could be considered rude (and sometimes not even then). Last night, I had a girl start arguing about where we were going and what we were doing. I'd planned to meet at a coffee shop, because we'd already established we didn't want to drink (she had work early in the morning, and I'd gone out every night for three nights running for Halloween), but when looking it up for directions before I biked over, I noticed it was already closed. … | /r/seduction | 03/11/10 12:27 AM |
| 1 | Would appreciate advice on an online attemptBe sure that whenever you suggest meeting up with a girl for the first time (this doesn't apply to girls you met in person and have already gotten close to), you give her a specific time and specific activity you'll be doing, and that the activity has an end time implied (getting coffee is a 30 minute affair, but it can last longer if things are going great). Meals are probably too long and too formal to be ideal, so I would avoid lunch until second or third date. Never say, "How about we do cof… | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 10:46 PM |
| 2 | Would appreciate advice on an online attemptI think your assessment of the situation is spot-on. This is definitely what goes through girls minds when they're meeting a guy for the first time. So, you should always do something that has a distinct start and end time...even if you extend it past the end time. It should be short (like 30-45 minutes) so she knows she's not wasting a lot of time on a possible loser or having to suffer through two hours of clumsy advances. The big long speech is probably overkill, though. I would probably just… | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 10:35 PM |
| 1 | Would appreciate advice on an online attemptYou need to give her an ultimatum to force a decision, but do it in a cool way. Never give an ultimatum. Ultimatums are weak, no matter how cool you think it sounds. Here's my number (xxx-xxx-xxxx). Girls do not call guys. Introverted girls really don't call guys. Do this, and you'll never hear from her. Are you sure she's cute? A lot of times a chick being reluctant to meet up IRL means that she might have hit you with some of that myspace angle jujitsu shit and she's scared of the rejection sh… | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 10:30 PM |
| 16 | Full close via OkCupid.Yep, and I was saying what I thought about it. I didn't say he shouldn't post about it...just that I think it's ethically problematic. With great power comes great responsibility, and all that jazz. | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 09:52 PM |
| 4 | Last night I met a girl and had good connection with her, but...Don't bring props. Props mean you went to lengths for this girl. You don't even know her, why would you bring her gifts? If you want to sleep with her: Never give gifts to girls you don't know. Never execute elaborate plans for girls you don't know. Never take girls you don't know on expensive and complicated dates. Never go out of your way to do something for a girl you don't know. You can jokingly say, "That beef jerky was terrible. I blame you. How's it going?" and go from there. You should b… | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 09:31 PM |
| 3 | Time Wasters: How do you spot them?More push. More asshole. More aloof. If she isn't complying consistently to everything you want, you back off and become hard to get. If she does the wishy-washy thing a lot, you go full asshole and start actively pushing her away, both physically and verbally. She should never be allowed to hold the frame that she can lean on you and touch you and take pictures with you at her whim. That's all your decision. You're the prize, and she's trying to figure out how to catch you. When she's able to u… | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 09:26 PM |
| -5 | Time Wasters: How do you spot them?ItIsSpelledSpelled ಠ_ಠ We speak American around here. None of that lazy British nonsense. But I agree on the whole loose/lose thing. Infuriating. | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 09:16 PM |
| 26 | Full close via OkCupid.Agreed. If you're playing with multiple partners, all of them have a right to know you're playing with multiple partners, even if they don't know the specifics. If the chick you're in a theoretically monogamous relationship with isn't exciting enough for you, then you need to end it, or renegotiate the terms of the relationship. Stepping out secretly isn't the right path (though I've been tempted to do so in the past, and even went on a date with another girl once, I never pulled the trigger whe… | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 08:45 PM |
| 1 | Is it okay to give your number to a girl first, Without her asking?Yep, that's about how it goes. I met a 19 year old HB9 once, long before I knew how to run game on such a sought after woman. She was quite friendly and flirty, but it eventually became apparent that it was all in the interests of her career (she worked at an investment firm, my company was, at that time, interesting to investment firms in the area; she was actually pretty awesome, and had started working in investment at 16, because of family connections and so was surprisingly savvy for a teen… | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 08:11 PM |
| 1 | Seddit, what advice would you give your 17yo self?How old were you when you started getting girls? Mid-30s, when I actually got good at it (just a couple of months ago, honestly). I had a decent run in college, landing three girls in a short span (pre-selection is powerful, even if none of the girls know each other...I think girls can smell other girls on men, though it could be a psychic imprint or something; it's some sort of witchy voodoo stuff, whatever it is), then had an LTR that lasted into my 30s. When that ended, I had a roughly year l… | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 05:37 PM |
| 1 | Seddit, what advice would you give your 17yo self?Actually, I'd be happy to find a really nice girl and go monogamous again. But, I travel a lot, and for long periods. I would have some long dry spells if I weren't dating multiple women, and occasionally hooking up with friends with benefits. They all definitely know that I'm seeing other women (in fact, a friend with benefits on the West coast was the first to know I was hooking up with a new girl tonight...we were chatting on Google talk when I was getting ready for my date; we talked about h… | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 10:25 AM |
| 1 | Seddit, what advice would you give your 17yo self?I'm just being cheeky. Do whatever makes you happy. I date one or two attractive, intelligent, funny, and sexy girls at a time (well, not exactly the same time; the girls, so far, aren't into each other...though I have just started something with a bi girl who approaches sex like a man...she'd probably be down for a regular three-way situation), with maybe an occasional hookup with friends with benefits in other cities (I travel a lot), and that keeps me perfectly content. When I find the perfec… | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 10:00 AM |
| 1 | Seddit, what advice would you give your 17yo self?Now I've been feeling like I should conquer as many girls as possible kind of like to make up for lost time etc (and just to get life experience), but on the other hand, I suppose that wouldn't be particularly satisfying either. It's not necessary, I don't think. Conquering one great woman is worth conquering dozens of lesser women. But, sometimes a lesser woman or two is just what they doctor ordered. But, then again, being attractive to women means being selected by women. So, the best way to … | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 08:38 AM |
| 9 | Is it okay to give your number to a girl first, Without her asking?If you aren't getting the number, you aren't getting the girl. You didn't build enough attraction before attempting the # close, or she just wasn't buying what you're selling. I just move on. Personally, I'm not interested in having 90 friends on facebook. I don't add people on facebook until I actually know them and know I like them (I have a few that I've confirmed that I only met once...but I unfriend at the first sign they're going to spam me about anything...and I've stopped accepting those… | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 07:05 AM |
| 1 | Wanna know how to pick up chicks? Grow a goddamn MOUSTACHE! Be a MAN, join us in r/moustache for MOVEMBER and fight prostate cancer.Your town isn't hip enough. I went out this weekend, and beards were everywhere. Also saw a handlebar moustache, as well as several others. I'm pleased by the direction hipsters are taking facial hair. It makes me seem cutting edge. Most importantly, girls are loving my beard. | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 06:16 AM |
| 2 | Anyone buy "B4 u txt her"?"B4 u txt her" is not core materials. If you have read the basics (tons of it is provided in the wiki and "new to seddit" post), you won't be anywhere near "without knowing what to do in any way shape or form". You have to read some, sure, to get over your initial fears and unfamiliarity with conversation. But, once you have familiarity with the basics, reading more in lieu of practice is simply time wasted. The formulaic stuff falls down by end-game. The right mindset never fails (except when y… | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 05:51 AM |
| 7 | Anyone buy "B4 u txt her"?Probably not. The vast majority of pickup "products" are repackaged community-originated stuff being marketed to desperate men hoping for a panacea. Don't buy more stuff. Practice more. It fixes everything. | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 05:34 AM |
| 1 | Married woman telling me and her friend that she needed a good fuck... What should have I done?I would like to refer you to my previous comment on the subject here: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/dwgqy/whats_the_seddit_consensus_on_going_after_girls/c13hda2 But, again, if a married woman is asking dudes for sex, that marriage is already over. I'm not going there, but I'm not going to argue with the dudes that do. | /r/seduction | 02/11/10 05:26 AM |
| 1 | Wanna know how to pick up chicks? Grow a goddamn MOUSTACHE! Be a MAN, join us in r/moustache for MOVEMBER and fight prostate cancer.Chicks are digging facial hair again. Thank goodness. I've had a beard off and on for years (currently on, and the girl I just met on Friday was in a panic when I joked that I was going to shave it off for my Halloween costume). | /r/seduction | 01/11/10 10:21 PM |
| 4 | virgins of seddit, as of last night I am no longer one of youOnward and upward, my friend. Onward and upward! I lost my virginity at 21 (or maybe 22). Though it was with a lovely younger girl who I adored. She moved away soon after, but it was all around a good experience. For folks who aren't coming out of quite as crippled a position as you, I'd recommend choosing a girl that you actually like for your first time. They mostly don't judge on the first couple of goes at it. I've been told by numerous girls that most guys take weeks to really train properl… | /r/seduction | 01/11/10 10:15 PM |
| 1 | virgins of seddit, as of last night I am no longer one of youI agree with you that this is a really sad story. But it's also got the little bit of hope at the bottom, like Pandora's box (oh, Pandora, that chick has a sweet box!). It definitely wasn't poorly told, as stories go. We actually have pretty high standards around seddit...posts that are barely coherent or written in a lazy texting sort of style don't get upvoted (thankfully), and this one seems to have met the approval of lots of us, so I think it's up to snuff. | /r/seduction | 01/11/10 10:10 PM |
| 3 | If a chick flakes, then how am I supposed to treat her when I run into her again?Ha! I, personally, wouldn't care two shits about insulting her. Her friends already know she flaked on you. They know what's up. But, I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of "ignore her". That means, just do your own thing. If she talks to you first, that's completely different...I would even be friendly, but continue flirting with other girls. | /r/seduction | 01/11/10 09:16 PM |
| 2 | Is it smart to strike while the iron his hot, or leave and quit when you're ahead?The iron doesn't sound like it was all that hot, but maybe I'm wrong. I usually text at the end of the night when I get home (or in the cab or whatever), so she gets a brief reminder of me and I'm probably the last thing she thinks of before going to bed. I've just started doing this, but the impact seems to be good. As for the striking while the iron is hot...yeah, generally, it's a good idea to do so. I assume by "while the iron is hot" you have a lot of compliance, a lot of IOIs, some making … | /r/seduction | 01/11/10 05:34 PM |
| 1 | Seddit, what advice would you give your 17yo self?Nah, I don't dwell on it. I've ended my Nice Guy ways, and I can now generally find an attractive girl to sleep with in a few days or less, just about anywhere, so I've moved past it. But, it definitely kept me stunted emotionally for years, having such a pitifully (and needlessly) sexless youth. I'd recommend you do the same. Self-pity is a downer, and hurts your game. Learn from it and move on. My reply was as an encouragement for other young guys to take those chances, because the worst that … | /r/seduction | 01/11/10 05:23 PM |
| 1 | Seddit, what advice would you give your 17yo self?We haven't even gotten to college in my tale of Nice Guy woe. It keeps getting worse. ;) | /r/seduction | 01/11/10 04:21 PM |
| 6 | Seddit, what advice would you give your 17yo self?Fuck that girl Jamie who wants to lose her virginity. Fuck that girl Rebecca who invites you out to a field at night to "hang out", and brings a blanket. Fuck that girl Cynthia, when she asks you to go to the cemetery with her less than an hour after explaining to the group that she wants to have sex in a cemetery. Fuck that girl Ruth because she digs you, and she's beautiful and awesome and smart and one year older than you and more experienced, and you've had a huge crush on her since the day … | /r/seduction | 01/11/10 09:25 AM |
| 1 | What do women want?!Seems reasonable. Though, I question whether feeding a troll has ever done much good? Isn't troll food (responses, the angrier and more time-consuming, the better) what they're after? | /r/seduction | 01/11/10 09:03 AM |
| 1 | Married woman telling me and her friend that she needed a good fuck... What should have I done?I actually talked about my thoughts on married women the same day this discussion took place. I said roughly the same sorts of things. We actually agree. Though, in this case, I kinda wasn't really feeling defensive of the marriage vows at this point in their story. Basically, I think if a woman is loudly advertising her desire to fuck other men, the men in question are almost irrelevant. But, I can definitely out of the pool of men willing to fuck married women, no matter how much they want to … | /r/seduction | 01/11/10 09:00 AM |
| 1 | What do women want?!And I wouldn't use the word "them". I would use "yourself". You're the prize...when you really believe it, the world shifts a little, and gravity starts pulling women toward you. Sometimes, I feel like my game is firing on all cylinders, and when I feel really awesome and unstoppable, I usually actually end up being that way. | /r/seduction | 01/11/10 02:19 AM |
| 2 | What do women want?!I would prefer that if what she said just now is not trolling, then you wouldn't call her out as a troll (I've noticed you do this in a couple of threads to obvious non-troll comments, so it seems to be a personal vendetta...that's unattractive). ladywonderlux diesn't make a very interesting comment, sure, but it's obviously not trolling, either. | /r/seduction | 01/11/10 02:17 AM |
| 1 | Your passion held me there, in time, as everything else stopped, and I became one with your breath, with your soul; and all I could do was whisper…The soundtrack for this kind of bullshit is the sound of vaginas snapping shut, and men weeping themselves to sleep. Alone. Never send something like this to a woman you want to sleep with. Ever. Perhaps this could be added to the playbook of "ways to chase off girls you're tired of fucking, but won't take the hint". | /r/seduction | 01/11/10 02:10 AM |
| 4 | OK /seduction - flirty ex gf wants to come over so i can 'help her with her paper'Be careful with exes. But, have fun. Many of my exes have come back for sex when they hit a dry spell, even months or years later. It's usually cool; just make sure you're not giving any signals that you're all fired up to be back in a relationship with her. You broke up for a reason. You should also keep it to a random hookup now and then rather than a regular thing. Girls get attached to guys they're banging even when they don't intend to. | /r/seduction | 31/10/10 11:39 PM |
| 4 | Gotta work on neggingYou're doing it wrong. A neg is not an insult. | /r/seduction | 31/10/10 08:03 PM |
| 5 | The Pick Up Artist world is overwhelming me...PUA tactics are a big bag of training wheels. You use them until you don't need them to get yourself effectively into conversations, and keep attraction ramping up. | /r/seduction | 31/10/10 07:53 PM |
| 5 | The Pick Up Artist world is overwhelming me...Here's the way PUA/seduction study ought to work, in my humble opinion: Read a few things. The basics. Whatever program you like, read it, think about opinion openers, think about how all this stuff can fit into your normal best personality (how you behave around good friends; relaxed, confident, funny, interesting, but without trying to be any of those things). Integrate what you can from the literature into how you approach and respond to girls, and practice. Practice on everybody, not just th… | /r/seduction | 31/10/10 07:51 PM |
| 10 | If a chick flakes, then how am I supposed to treat her when I run into her again?I would simply ignore her. Not even acknowledge her existence. Flirt with other girls. If you make a point of going to unleash your anger on her, as others seem to be suggesting, and many seem to be agreeing with, you expose yourself as being upset that this chick flaked on you...and suddenly it's not something only she is aware of. Everyone in audible range now knows you've been ditched by this girl, and that you're reacting about it as though you're her bitch following her around hoping for cr… | /r/seduction | 31/10/10 07:24 PM |
| 1 | Tips for a wingman?I do this with everybody. If someone I met earlier is standing nearby, I'll introduce them into the set. The value it brings to the interaction is awesome, and it shows you're not one of those, "I called this one!" kinda guys where you get super-possessive of the girls you're flirting with before you even know her name. | /r/seduction | 31/10/10 06:44 PM |
| 2 | FR lame date, girl leaves early in a huffPaying for drinks on an actual date is not a mistake. I know the PUA common wisdom is to "NEVAR. PAY. FOR. ANYTHING.", but I think that's simply wrong, particularly if y ou're older and have more money than her in any significant way. I frequently pay for drinks, bowling, whatever, and once I've got a girl on a date, it nearly always leads to sex. The science just isn't there on the never pay for anything philosophy. Of course, I would never buy a girl I just met in a bar a drink, unless she's a… | /r/seduction | 31/10/10 05:04 PM |
| 1 | FR lame date, girl leaves early in a huffYou did something wrong long before you wandered off, though I can't tell what it is here. I've never been on a date with someone that was so freaked out about being in close proximity to me. Even girls I've met online, which are often far more awkward and almost never go anywhere, the result is far more relaxed than this. How nervous were you? This seems like it would only be possible if you have a reciprocating nervousness cycle, where she does something that shows how scared she is, you do so… | /r/seduction | 31/10/10 09:01 AM |
| 2 | FR lame date, girl leaves early in a huffThat's just a bizarre statement. A park is not a "high pressure environment" by any stretch of the imagination. This chick is nuts, though OP is probably not as good as he could be at making a girl comfortable. | /r/seduction | 31/10/10 08:53 AM |
| 3 | weird situation.Back off. This is the time for aloof, laconic, game, rather than trying to spend more time with her and "power through". You can't power through. Spending more time with her, when she doesn't recognize your value, isn't going to make her more attracted. Let her see what life is like without you in it for a few days. Presumably it's better when you're around, and she'll see that. Flirt with other girls. Call her in a week and see if she's straightened up a bit. If not, take another week off. If t… | /r/seduction | 31/10/10 08:41 AM |
| 5 | [FR] Halloween weekend gameYou know, regular conversation. The opener is always just an opener. It doesn't have to spawn a massive conversation about costume philosophy. Which is why, "Hey, how's it going?" is also a perfectly legitimate opener. She may ask about my costume, or I may introduce myself to her and her friends, and I'll introduce my friends around, etc. I might mention a cool costume I saw earlier. I might ask if they're from around here or if they go to school at the nearby University. It almost never goes e… | /r/seduction | 30/10/10 11:57 PM |
| 3 | [FR] Halloween weekend gameYeah, there's a tendency for guys starting out to avoid mixed sets, but it's really counter-productive to do so. You're eliminating most of the girls in the bar, and also making it hard to bounce from conversation to conversation; it's like trying to win at chess by only using your knight. If you only talk to all-girl sets (or heaven-forbid single females), you're going to have to ramp up to a conversation from zero every time. Whereas if you're talking to every interesting looking group you see… | /r/seduction | 30/10/10 11:49 PM |
| 5 | She doesn't want a relationshipBe more awesome. Stop "confessing your feelings" (show don't tell). Are you dating other girls? That'd probably make her a little more decisive. so I definitely don't want to force an ultimatum on her If any guy here ever gives a woman an ultimatum, they're dead to me. Beyond helping. Don't you ever give a girl an ultimatum (and don't you ever agree to an ultimatum from a girl). Every self-respecting man on the planet will make fun of you. but I need a sense of security when it comes to our rela… | /r/seduction | 30/10/10 11:29 PM |
| 4 | Need to get hyped up for a Halloween party tonight. Anyone have something they listen/watch to get themselves going?My favorite inspirational stuff: The Tao of Steve Craig Ferguson anytime there's a really attractive woman on the show. Scarlett Johansson is my favorite episode now (because she is lapping it up, and she's among the most beautiful woman on earth right now). But, he's also awesome with Lauren Graham, Kristen Bell, and Kate Mara. I'm pretty sure he has the best game on TV right now. But, mostly, I just try to be friendly and talkative all that day. Your state of mind is vital, and if you've been … | /r/seduction | 30/10/10 11:01 PM |
| 3 | DAE find clubs to be the hardest places to game?I'll withhold judgment, since I haven't been to that particular con. But, a Google Images search of "convergence twin cities" revealed a single HB6, and mostly HB3-5s. It's definitely not conclusive evidence, however. The vast majority of attractive women I've met at nerd gatherings have been with their boyfriend, and are smitten enough to follow him anywhere, including into the den of nerddom. Most of the rest have been chubby to huge, and rarely particularly attractive (either in personality o… | /r/seduction | 30/10/10 10:50 PM |
| 5 | DAE find clubs to be the hardest places to game?Yep. I've never been to fan conventions. Nope, not ever. I'm not at all a nerd who loves scifi and video games and role playing games. Why would I be reading reddit if I liked any of that kind of stuff? I'm definitely the jock type, who never reads, goes to dance clubs, and wears Ed Hardey. I've seen it, firsthand, my friend. If those girls are floating your boat, then by all means go get your meat grinding on at a convention orgies. I'm not saying they're all fat chicks, but the stereotypes exi… | /r/seduction | 30/10/10 10:30 PM |
| 5 | DAE find clubs to be the hardest places to game?...with dudes and fat chicks. You forgot to finish your last sentence. | /r/seduction | 30/10/10 09:10 PM |
| 2 | Negging without bad conscience?As insickness touched on, the neg is a type of push. When you follow up with a pull later, it is all the more appealing to the girl and feels better to her. The sum total is positive for both of you; she likes you better, and she's having more fun than she was before you arrived. Note that really harsh negs like this one are generally only recommended for really attractive women (though the bitch shield could be higher just because she's the hottest girl in the room, even if she's only a 7), who… | /r/seduction | 30/10/10 08:07 PM |
| 1 | Are blondes harder to get?It's definitely not going to be true in Sweden, where blondes are extremely common. It might be more difficult in Japan or some place where blondes are rare...just being rare makes people more sought after. But, no, it's not been my experience (though I'm pretty much indifferent to most blondes, and have a thing for brunettes). So, I probably have the exact opposite problem, though I pretty much never pursue blondes (I just surprised myself with this realization; I've never dated a natural blond… | /r/seduction | 30/10/10 02:23 AM |
| 3 | Paul Janka style day game? Does this really work?Paul Janka's game seems to consist of: Be good looking. Be attractive. Don't be unattractive. I'm not saying it doesn't work...it probably does sometimes, and part of his philosophy seems to be quantity, and doing a huge number of approaches (which has value in and of itself), so if you executed on it to the letter, you'd probably do alright. | /r/seduction | 30/10/10 02:16 AM |
| 2 | The confident mind set (a simple way to be attractive)No, introversion never goes away, as far as I can tell. Sure, I can be social now, after a couple of years of serious practice. I can make conversation with a large percentage of people in a large percentage of situations without feeling stress. But, social situations still drain me. And, the more "on" I'm acting, the more drained I become. The fear decreases over time, and may even approach zero eventually (it has not for me, yet), but the energy expenditure doesn't decrease in any way, that I … | /r/seduction | 30/10/10 02:12 AM |
| 2 | Not that into girl, but think she's into me - should I move forward anyway?I did some practicing early on, on HB6s. It was probably helpful...but if you're thinking "meh" when you look at her, it's probably better to go find other girls to practice on. There should at least be some response when you look at her. Also, you've already gotten all the early game practice you'll get from this girl. Once you're reaching third date, the lay is practically inevitable, so making yourself go through with it with a girl you aren't into is probably pointless. | /r/seduction | 29/10/10 09:58 PM |
| 3 | How does one mirror a girls values in conversation?I don't usually consciously try to mirror girls. Though I watch for girls mirroring me. The way I see it, there are an awful lot of girls who are going to be into me just because I'm awesome. I don't waste too much time trying to land the girls that don't feel that way. So, I let girls mirror me, as a natural indicator that they're interested in me, rather than simulating my own interest in her. The girls that I really have a connection with, I will naturally end up mirroring her a little bit an… | /r/seduction | 29/10/10 08:37 PM |
| 17 | The confident mind set (a simple way to be attractive)Extroverts are different from introverts. (Shocking!) Extroverts gain energy from social situations. Introverts are drained by social situations. I have to take a day off after big social events, or I feel like shit. This is why advice from extroverts to introverts, and vice versa, is always pretty much useless. If you don't grasp that talking to strangers involves overcoming significant fear for an introvert, there isn't much useful an extrovert can say to an introvert about doing it (they usua… | /r/seduction | 29/10/10 07:46 PM |
| 2 | How I finally got the girl by making her laughBeing confident "on stage" (even just at the front of the class) is a powerfully attractive thing. Which is why actors, musicians in bands, performers of all types, get so much tail. People who avoid opportunities to be in those kinds of positions are missing out on great opportunities to build attraction. So, if you're deathly afraid of public performance and having an audience, get your ass to a Toastmasters meeting, or an improv class, or an acting class, or something. | /r/seduction | 29/10/10 07:12 PM |
| 1 | Can you make a pass at a friend, without ruining the friendship if it fails?Your fears are probably unjustified. If you really like one of those girls, you can almost certainly close one of them without destroying anything. Just don't make it weird, and don't play the girls off of one another (if they're all friends with each other, it's a bad move to play them against one another; if they only know each other in passing, it's probably good game, though I don't tend to use it). | /r/seduction | 29/10/10 07:07 PM |
| 7 | Can you make a pass at a friend, without ruining the friendship if it fails?Exactly. Girls don't care, as long as you don't. If I'm getting IOIs, and I'm attracted to a girl, I proceed as though I'm holding an engraved invitation to her pants. If she's not feeling it, she'll look away when I lean in to give her a kiss, or whatever. I've never had a girl freak out about it, or end a friendship over it. No big deal. Though, guys should realize that if you walk into the friend zone voluntarily, you shouldn't expect to get out of it very easily, if at all. | /r/seduction | 29/10/10 07:05 PM |
| 2 | Hey Seddit, I have an idea to bring some good fresh content to r/seductionSounds like we're roughly on the same page, then. I'm glad to hear it. I have found your contributions in comments interesting and useful, so I hope we continue to see you around. Let's hope we can keep seddit thriving as the one place in the seduction community where we can talk honestly, sincerely, and without any marketing hype getting in the way. | /r/seduction | 29/10/10 06:48 PM |
| 1 | Dropping the EgoI'm not sure. This hasn't been an issue for me, I don't think. I'm pretty self-deprecating in a funny way when I talk about travelling. People ask what I was doing there, sort of in a "were you working there? doing something important or interesting?" way, and I'll say, "You know the usual...Lookin' at stuff. Standin' on some things. Takin' some pictures." And then, of course, I'll go on to describe the cool things I was looking at and standing on and taking pictures of. I don't always do this. … | /r/seduction | 29/10/10 06:41 PM |
| 15 | Talk to everyone, sounds cool. How?This. Nerdy guys don't realize that you don't have to always be saying something interesting in order to be talking. Sometimes, you're just being friendly, and there's nothing wrong with that. There's a mildly mentally retarded guy that lives in my neighborhood. I love seeing him when I walk my dog, because he reminds me that you can be entirely likable without having particularly interesting things to say. He says roughly the same things every day ("Nice day.", "Hey girl." to my dog, "Have a go… | /r/seduction | 29/10/10 06:08 AM |
| 1 | Playlists...Anything awesome. I have a ridiculous record collection, and I love teasing girls for not knowing some of my favorite bands (easy to do, I'm an indie rock nerd, with all sort of obscure favorite bands). It really doesn't matter. I've seduced girls to the soothing sounds of 80s punk rock, ambient noise music, hard bop jazz, and hard core industrial metal. | /r/seduction | 29/10/10 05:06 AM |
| 2 | Hey Seddit, I have an idea to bring some good fresh content to r/seductionThat's cool and all, and the community will vote up what they find value in. I'm not the boss of seddit (I'm not even a moderator), so I have no control other than my one vote. But, those kinds of posts generally receive downvotes from me, and I'll tell you why: I'm of the opinion that there are already plenty of places to go for commercially-oriented pickup discussion. It's pretty much the entirety of the PUA/seduction community, in fact. All of the other major forums out there are all about co… | /r/seduction | 29/10/10 05:01 AM |
| 1 | Mystery Method infield video: People often make fun of MM, but from this video of it being done correctly, I can imagine it's massively effectiveIn The Game it's pretty apparent the kind of girl Mystery goes for. He loves club girls. Flashy, dressed to the nines, heavily made up, etc. girls. If this is the kind of girl you want, then you go into a club like this one, and you act a bit like Mystery acts. But, most of the principles are the same, even if you're going after a very different type of girl and a very different end result. I think there's a lot to be learned from watching him do his thing (and I watched, and enjoyed, all of the… | /r/seduction | 29/10/10 12:43 AM |
| 1 | Need help coming up with a responseCall the next girl on your list. | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 11:54 PM |
| 5 | Thanks to /seduction, bad-attitude guy gets a date!Oh, yeah, don't make dinner for the girl. Make dinner with the girl. It's the difference between not getting laid for several more dates (if at all), and getting laid that very night. | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 11:01 PM |
| 2 | Thanks to /seduction, bad-attitude guy gets a date!Have you read the couple of discussions about dinner-at-home dates on seddit? They were a few months back...worth digging up, if possible. Lots of good ideas there. Edit: I went ahead and dug up the best of those threads (reddit search kinda still sucks, but it did finally reveal the one I was looking for): http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/cat6h/home_dinner_date_help_and_advice_needed/ | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 11:00 PM |
| 2 | Thanks to /seduction, bad-attitude guy gets a date!Making dinner with a chick is pretty much a guaranteed lay, in my experience. I've posted about it several times in the past. I love dinner-at-home dates, when I can get the girl to agree to it. | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 10:59 PM |
| 9 | Thanks to /seduction, bad-attitude guy gets a date!Upvote for lulz at your sweet douchestyle. | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 10:56 PM |
| 1 | [Field Report] Where did I go wrong?Definitely. I'll also occasionally give demerits for naughty behavior. Which, if played correctly causes her to play up her naughty image. | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 10:07 PM |
| 3 | How do you rate your own looks?Guilty as charged. I'm totally into swarthy dudes. | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 09:44 PM |
| 2 | Hey Seddit, I have an idea to bring some good fresh content to r/seductionAre the keyboard jockeys that obvious..? I suspect they are. I'm betting you're not a keyboard jockey, for example, though you're clearly still learning (as are we all). You know whether I'm right or wrong on that. Have you been in-field and had some success? | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 09:40 PM |
| 3 | How do you rate your own looks?Nah, you're way too hard on yourself! You're a pretty solid 6, at least, and probably a 7. You're not fat, you're not short. You've got pretty good features, though your nose is a bit big and lips a bit funny shaped. Slightly weak chin but decent jawline and you've got a dimple (bitches love dimples). Eyebrows are a bit strong and eyes deepset, but not offensively so. You're a bit swarthy and ambiguously Arab-looking which is a negative for some white chicks, but by no means all. If you worked o… | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 09:28 PM |
| 2 | How do you rate your own looks?This is true. I've run an experiment before asking girls to rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 10. Nearly every girl, no matter how hot or how ugly rates themselves a 7. I would hope self-aware men such as ourselves could be a bit less predictable. But, then I consider myself a pretty solid 7, so I guess I'm perpetuating the problem! | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 09:22 PM |
| 1 | How do you rate your own looks?I'm a pretty solid 7. I'm reasonably fit (a little soft in the middle, but not enough to show when clothed), reasonably tall at 6', have good straight teeth and a full head of really nice hair, as well as fantastic eyes. I also have naturally broad shoulders and chest, even when I'm not working out, so I cut a pretty good figure in a suit or decent shirt and pants. Negatives are I have a weak chin, somewhat feminine features, girly hands, and a big wide nose. My vision is really bad, so I someti… | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 09:18 PM |
| 4 | [Field Report] Where did I go wrong?I'm not going to comment much on the blowouts. You'll get blown out all the time if you're doing this stuff right. Your openers sound pretty weak; on the dancefloor you don't ask if your friend looks like Jake Gyllenhaal. You joke about her bumping into you, "Oh, I'm sorry am I in your way? You want me to clear out a space for you here? Put out some traffic cones so you have room to get your dance on properly?" (All said while laughing, of course, because you're joking around with her for bumpin… | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 07:19 PM |
| 3 | Hey Seddit, I have an idea to bring some good fresh content to r/seductionI think the only question here is who to actually interview. I don't suppose there's a way to sort by highest rated comments of the day or week or whatever, is there? Even better would be if one could get comment karma by subreddit...my account is only used in seddit for anonymity reasons, so my comment karma is my seddit karma, but I know a lot of folks use the same account across all of reddit. That'd probably be a good start on selection, if either were possible. Though you'd want to spend a … | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 06:42 PM |
| 8 | Asking a girl to hang out - I broke it off - did I do it right?Unless there's already been some indication that she wants sex, I don't usually go raunchy via text. But, that's just me. | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 05:58 PM |
| 5 | Asking a girl to hang out - I broke it off - did I do it right?Nah. He was a bit boring, and nowhere near assertive enough, but I don't think there's any insult here. | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 05:57 PM |
| 21 | Hey Seddit, I have an idea to bring some good fresh content to r/seductionI like the idea, but I'm extremely leery of this sentiment: These guys are often called "spammers" when in reality most are adding a value to this sub in the form of fresh, local content. If they're often called spammers, then they probably are. I consider seddit a respite from the standard ad-laden, bullshit marketing filled, forums you find elsewhere in the seductioncommunity. I don't want seddit to go in a more commercial-oriented direction. The lack of people trying to make a living as datin… | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 05:51 PM |
| 2 | Can you describe what makes a man attractive without using the word "confidence"?Oh, right. So he was swimming in dick. Same thing. Dude's cocky as hell. I'm sure he was getting laid a lot. | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 05:38 PM |
| 5 | Risk Tolerance in WomenSit down one day, and think through the actual risk. If you don't approach, you have 0% chance of getting the girl you really want. If you approach an HB6, because you're afraid of the HB8, you have a 0% chance of getting the girl you really want. If you approach the HB8, you have a chance of getting the girl you really want. How big is that chance? I don't know, but it's a lot bigger than zero. (You can go for the HB6, too, if you wanna try for her. But I don't bother. I only go after girls I r… | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 07:18 AM |
| 1 | Calling to schedule a meetup... goes to answering machine but get a text reply "Whats up?"Relevant I don't usually use emoticons on first date invites, though. | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 07:09 AM |
| 2 | Calling to schedule a meetup... goes to answering machine but get a text reply "Whats up?"There's no profit in assuming the worst. Always assume she wants to see you even more than you her. (But, prepare for the worst, and don't just keep texting her if she's being a flake or isn't complying with your plans.) The less you agonize over what she says or does, and just do what you want to do, the more attractive you become. | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 07:07 AM |
| 1 | So my PU skills have improved but now I have a new problem...I'm not sure I understand the situation: You don't want to see her again? Or you just don't want her to believe you have a serious monogamous relationship? If the former, then just tell her you had a great time, but you're still rebounding from your last girlfriend and it was a rough breakup. If the latter, then just make sure you're not seeing her more than once a week, and be honest when she asks if you're dating other women or about "where is this heading?". Some girls will run from you just … | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 06:46 AM |
| 2 | Possibly a unique challengeDo you live in a city where there is a community of Sikhs? I ask because in the San Francisco Bay Area, there are quite a few, and I've seen a number of men who were successfully dating non-Sikh women. I suspect areas where you are recognized for what you are (rather than just being, "One of those A-rabs.") will provide better results than areas where you seem extremely foreign. But, the great nullifier of difference is having a social circle of average people (predominantly white, if you're in … | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 06:32 AM |
| 5 | Calling to schedule a meetup... goes to answering machine but get a text reply "Whats up?"Why were you calling her? To ask her to coffee/whatever? If so, then yes...send her the text. She was probably driving or in a meeting or something. No bigs. | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 06:05 AM |
| 3 | Finished "The Game" last night...No. I explained it in terms of pickup, because that's the exposure most people here have to it, and that is seddits raison d'être. I'm reasonably familiar with NLP. I did quite a bit of research on it, and came away with the clear picture that it is a cult-like pseudoscience, roughly analogous to Scientology, but a little further along the timeline, and created and developed by people who aren't quite as insane as LRH (and they don't seem to be pathological liars, though they strike me as defini… | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 06:00 AM |
| 3 | What's the worst reaction you ever got from trying to take the interaction to a sexual level with a girl?She turned me down gently, we finished watching the movie, and she went home. We went out again later, and everything was fine. Wait, that's not horrible at all, is it? Hmmm...I don't have any horror stories. Sometimes girls aren't in the mood or don't like you enough, and they'll turn you down. No big deal. It doesn't even have to be uncomfortable if you don't make it uncomfortable. Going further, when you make a move and she turns you down, you've planted another seed of attraction. She may th… | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 02:21 AM |
| 1 | Can you describe what makes a man attractive without using the word "confidence"?(Which I think this subred lacks is talking about knowing one self "inner game"). I was with you until we got here. As far as I can tell, that's pretty much all the long-time regulars here talk about. Sure, it's all interspersed with specific approaches and field reports and stuff, but the fact is, this is the least "tactics" oriented forum I've ever seen for seduction...and that's a good thing. Tactics fail when the situation doesn't match the formula. Inner game, and knowing you can handle any… | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 01:35 AM |
| 2 | Can you describe what makes a man attractive without using the word "confidence"?I'm absolutely certain GW was swimming in poon throughout his younger days. Not a single doubt in my mind. | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 01:31 AM |
| 3 | Can you describe what makes a man attractive without using the word "confidence"?I can't believe anyone could possibly downvote this comment. This is absolute gold. Are you sure you're a girl? ;) Seriously, though, this is why I always argue women should be welcomed to /r/seduction with open arms, even if their advice on seduction and pickup should usually be taken with a grain of salt (not this comment, though, there isn't a single flaw to be found). | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 01:29 AM |
| 2 | What are good ideas to dress up for Halloween parties and clubs?A friend went as Waldo last year, and he started counting the people who said, "I found you!" through the night. It topped 50, I think, which is an awful lot of girls approaching you during the evening. It's a bit cute to be seductive, but that's an awful lot of free approaches. | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 01:11 AM |
| 19 | Finished "The Game" last night...Placebo effect is amazing. You should read up on it sometime. NLP sometimes convinces people they have magic words to say, and that makes them forget to be self-conscious or have self-defeating thoughts. But, it's just a mental somersault. The words aren't magic, they don't fix you and they don't make women do what you want. But, practicing is magic. Practice talking to women fixes all your problems talking to women, and makes women like you more. So, if thinking NLP works makes guys get out and… | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 12:41 AM |
| 1 | Need some advice; does she want me to do something? Am I friend zoned? Or is she one to stay away from?I do appreciate all your game advice but I don't think you grasp my situation as well as you think I'm pretty sure I've got a pretty good grasp of it (holding hands, talking about her boyfriend, you pining for her and agonizing about how to tell her, etc., etc., I know this story very well). But, you do what you gotta do. You'll live and learn, or you won't. ;) | /r/seduction | 28/10/10 12:31 AM |
| 1 | Why do some of you guys refer to yourselves as AFCs?I do want to be clear that I didn't call anyone broken. I called the beginning state of most people starting in pickup broken. It's a question of what is temporary and what is permanent. State is what is currently true of a persons attitude, not what the person is, it's their state of mind, not their permanent condition. If you were happy with what you were getting out of life, with regard to women, before, you wouldn't have joined the community and started working on the problems you have meeti… | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 09:30 PM |
| 2 | Something has to give, I want to change my life.Not at the top of my list either, but I've dated girls who were porn connoisseurs. I dated a sex writer last year who ran public classic porn screenings at her school. | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 08:57 PM |
| 1 | How stupid am I being? Safe sex & tips on multiple relationships / fuck buddies.We've probably all done stupid things. When I was younger, I hooked up with girls without condoms on a few occasions. I was lucky enough to come out unscathed. But, it's definitely gambling, and there's no good reason to gamble with your health, when it's reasonably easy to keep it safe and to have one stable relationship with a trusted partner where you get to ride bare back. It's the best of all possible worlds. | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 07:59 PM |
| 1 | How stupid am I being? Safe sex & tips on multiple relationships / fuck buddies.remember in the 90's when aids was the scariest shit ever? well, turns out basically homo's and ppl using needles get that....its safer than you think.. 16% of Americans between the ages of 14 and 49 has genital Herpes (HSV-2). HIV infection rates among HSV-2 infected people is quite a bit higher, partly because of the increased risk of blood exposure. If you fuck 6 girls, odds are, at least one of them has genital herpes. 1 in 2 Americans has HSV-1, which leads to cold sores in some people and … | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 07:39 PM |
| 2 | How stupid am I being? Safe sex & tips on multiple relationships / fuck buddies.HIV rates indicate that there are almost certainly men subscribed to seddit who are HIV+. If this throwaway is fake, then it can be considered a proxy for one of the actual HIV+ sedditors. | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 07:17 PM |
| 1 | How stupid am I being? Safe sex & tips on multiple relationships / fuck buddies.I think this may be an indication of low quality. Dumb girls often aren't as savvy about safe sex, and STD transmission, and aren't as likely to take good care of themselves. I steer clear of dumb girls for this reason; they just aren't worth the risk (also, dear gods, I can't stand listening to a dumb girl ramble on about whatever petty bullshit pops up in her tiny little brain). Very young girls also play a little faster and looser with their health, thinking they'll live forever...so they may… | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 07:13 PM |
| 1 | Field report and how about this line...is it a boyfriend killer or an attraction killer?Well, those being said, I think you had some really really nice points in your talk but I still there's something fishy about her boyfriend. It's either his dumb and trusts her or he's intelligent and trusts her. If he's dumb, I pity the fool. If he's intelligent, you don't stand a chance. Well, there's also the possibility of him wanting to break up with her but that's really, really not the point right here. Yep, those are all the possibilities. ;) Basically: Either she wants me more than him,… | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 06:22 PM |
| 2 | Need some advice; does she want me to do something? Am I friend zoned? Or is she one to stay away from?I am spending time with other girls too, I just think me and her have the best chemistry. If that's actually so, she'll be seeing it too. Are you getting IOIs and reciprocation on your flirting? Is she flirting back? Is she touching you whenever she has an excuse to do so? If she's not seeing it that way and is friend-zoning you, you need to extract and date other girls. There is no alternative. You cannot force a girl to be attracted to you by being around her more in a friend role. Proximity i… | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 05:05 PM |
| 1 | What's the Seddit consensus on going after girls with boyfriends?No homo. ;) I had a shit collection for a couple of decades. It was awesome shit, too, man, and I loved it. Fucking analog synthesizers, badass BMX bikes, vintage guitars and amps and weird instruments of all shapes and sizes, awesome furniture, bitchin' sports car, big house with garage in the suburbs to keep it all in. You know what? It was an anchor. I still have the most important things: two guitars, some favorite kitchen appliances, etc. But, now, I can up and move at the drop of a hat. I … | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 04:52 PM |
| 1 | Need some advice; does she want me to do something? Am I friend zoned? Or is she one to stay away from?Note that at 17, it doesn't necessarily have to end in sex for it to get the results you want. If you're still nervous about sex, you can take your time getting there. She's nervous about it, too, even if she's already had it (and she probably has, since she's clearly a player). At this age, you can get her as your girlfriend, or your social proof, without having to escalate all the way to sex. She'll expect sex eventually, but, there's no big rush. | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 04:37 PM |
| 1 | My adventures with Pheromones.Have you ever been interviewed by a reporter? Many times. I own a business and have written professionally. I interact with reporter pretty regularly. It's not pseudo-science, it's incomplete science. We are agreed here. It's very incomplete science. But, if you don't know what the response means yet, and specifically what chemicals are being responded to, you don't have anything to go on. This response that they're seeing could actually be a bad one for pickup, for all we know. It could just be… | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 04:34 PM |
| 1 | How do you avoid the girl getting the impression you're way above her level and the only thing you can possibly be interested with her is quick sex?I wish. That dude is money. But, I still have a few years before I'm his age...I can aspire. | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 04:24 PM |
| 1 | Field report and how about this line...is it a boyfriend killer or an attraction killer?It sound too scripted and I sincerely hope it's just the language difference which makes it sound like that (I'm not a native English speaker). I can confirm though that plenty of my girl-friends(friends who are girls, lol) would just laugh their ass off and walk away. Hehehe...yeah, I think it might be a language difference. But, it's also a calibration thing. I would never say anything about seducing a girl if the sexual tension wasn't already pretty darned high. It's not an opener. And it's n… | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 10:26 AM |
| 13 | How stupid am I being? Safe sex & tips on multiple relationships / fuck buddies.Dude, use condoms with fuck buddies. Always. Here's why: You don't want to stress over who else she's fucking (and she's definitely going to be fucking someone else eventually if you are just fuck buddies). It'll hurt your game. You can only ethically have one relationship where you don't use condoms. Don't waste it on your fuck buddy. If you're sleeping with multiple girls without condoms, your both a huge asshole and an idiot, and you are putting multiple people at risk of possibly deadly illn… | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 08:29 AM |
| 3 | Why do some of you guys refer to yourselves as AFCs?I don't know for sure what the right answer is here...but I'll tell you the thoughts that run through my mind on the subject: It's an acceptance that you have a problem. It's like being an alcoholic. You have to accept that you have a problem before you can begin to correct it. I don't believe admitting your current state is detrimental to the goals of becoming something better. When you want to lose weight, you begin by measuring where you are today, and set goals for the future. When you train… | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 08:09 AM |
| 2 | How do I be interesting?You seem to have missed the most important line in ImReddit's reply: Forget about what I do, what I'm interested in, people just love who I am. That's money. If you're funny and fun, you don't need to do cool things all the time to be likable (though, again, doing cool things is good for you, and it's fun to do cool things; there is no downside to getting out of your comfort zone and doing something cool once a week). | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 07:45 AM |
| 2 | How do I be interesting?Your biggest problem is your self-image. You think you're boring, so you're going to be boring. You're also going to be really exhausting to talk to. But, your major doesn't make you boring. Your interests don't, necessarily, make you boring...though I would recommend you get some hobbies and pursuits that aren't nerdy (I'm a lifelong nerd; believe me when I tell you that you won't regret the days you take off from reddit or video games to hike or camp or visit a zoo or bowl or play mini-golf). … | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 07:37 AM |
| 2 | How do I be interesting?So make up something that would get their attention? Never. Unless it's so ridiculous she'll know it's made up. | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 07:05 AM |
| 2 | How do I be interesting?For some reason I feel that supporting the negative association with a mathematics major, doesn't help the situation. It sounds like almost all of your instincts are wrong, so you should experiment more. I used to try, "Math and stats, you know the boring stuff, right?" With a smile but it always seemed to go over poorly. This is completely different from russpinke's "make her guess" suggestion, which I think is pretty solid. You're saying that you consider what you do boring, and asking for app… | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 07:03 AM |
| 4 | Quick question on Alpha moveAlright...alphas don't give a shit about a girls facebook. Alphas don't have heart-to-heart talks about facebook statuses, or her farmville pigs, or whatever the fuck other retarded girl crap she's doing on facebook. facebook is not where your relationship is made or broken. Be a badass in real life, and you won't have to fret about what she's doing online. | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 06:50 AM |
| 4 | Need some advice; does she want me to do something? Am I friend zoned? Or is she one to stay away from?Never tell a girl anything. Show her. A 4 day old relationship between 17 year olds isn't shit. Don't be a retarded teenager. Flirt with this chick. Learn about escalation and kino and push-pull, and have some fun learning how to enjoy getting to know girls. Don't agonize or overthink this stuff. Girls at all ages are flighty. 17 year old girls are somewhere in outer space. She'll love you one day and hate you the next. Just don't be her orbiter. This going to the movies, holding hands and talki… | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 06:34 AM |
| 1 | What's the Seddit consensus on going after girls with boyfriends?That probably means I'm on reddit too much lately. I took a couple months off, and now I'm catching up like a heroin fiend that spent a few months in the slammer. But, I'm still out doing real life stuff almost every day, including meeting new girls, so I guess it's chill. | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 06:25 AM |
| 2 | My adventures with Pheromones.Apologies for assuming the worst about your intentions. I retract the accusation that you're a spammer. But, I would personally prefer to avoid pseudo-science, like pheromones, creeping up too much into seddits culture. We've got pretty good science for most of the techniques we do talk about (kino especially, but a lot of the persuasion techniques and confidence building techniques and such, has really solid science behind it, too), so I think it's best to stick to the stuff that is proven in c… | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 06:19 AM |
| 3 | What's the Seddit consensus on going after girls with boyfriends?How do I live? Very well, actually. ;) Or do you mean, how do I make a living? I run a small, but relatively well-known, software company that shall remain nameless for obvious reasons (it has employees, but only a few). I also have some recurring royalties from writing I did a few years ago, and an odd business deal I made a few months back. I'm pretty leisurely about work these days because I don't have to struggle to make ends meet, and I spend a whole lot of time traveling...some of it is to… | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 06:12 AM |
| 2 | Something has to give, I want to change my life.You don't watch porn with your girls? I do. Only the classics, for me, though. | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 05:49 AM |
| 1 | My adventures with Pheromones.Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. What else do you wanna call it? You've linked to a highly spammy site, that requires registration for one of your links. It is obviously a site that promotes and sells the products you are talking about. The products you're talking about are heavily promoted via spam, and have no scientific backing. If you aren't a spammer, then you are one of the spammers victims, and you're unwittingly helping them propagate their spam. There is definit… | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 02:33 AM |
| 1 | Field report and how about this line...is it a boyfriend killer or an attraction killer?Why is that? I've used the word before in seductions, and it was effective (or, at least, did not interrupt the seduction). It was never this type of situation...usually midway through a day two, so there was already a lot of attraction and rapport. I'm willing to be wrong, but I'd like to understand why you think it's a bad choice. And, is it the specific word you have a problem with? So, "If you didn't have a boyfriend, I would pick you up." would be OK? Or "I would ..." hmmm...I'm out of word… | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 02:03 AM |
| 3 | My adventures with Pheromones.Let's not go there, gentlemen. There is no science to support this crap. What you spritz on your skin from any of these bottles could do nothing, make you repulsive, make you attractive to rutting moose, make you feel like fighting, or any number of other things (the vast majority of possibilities are negative when it comes to scent). But, almost certainly it'll do nothing except extract money from your wallet that you could have spent on something more useful. http://open.salon.com/blog/aliquot… | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 01:57 AM |
| 2 | My adventures with Pheromones.Apparently, it turns dudes into spammers. At least, that's what it seems to have done to ponfarr. | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 01:43 AM |
| 4 | Something has to give, I want to change my life.Agreed. Anytime you find yourself using technology as a proxy for human contact (sex, friendship, etc.) you should at least pause and ask, "Is this the best thing for me to be doing right now to increase my happiness and wellbeing?" Looking at porn by yourself is nearly always going to be a "no". Those of us with a reddit habit should probably be asking the same thing on a pretty regular basis (I'm certainly guilty of this). | /r/seduction | 27/10/10 01:37 AM |
| 1 | [FR] Crashed a birthday party, hooked up with the birthday girl.I wouldn't sweat the redhead text situation. A lot of guys want to babysit their phones, and make sure nothing ever goes unanswered, but I don't think that really does you much good (and occasionally some harm). Just text her the next day and set something up. | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 11:32 PM |
| 2 | Is this in anyway salvageable?Moms have very different priorities than men. Grandchildren being the number 1 priority for most of them. My mom is not the type to attempt something like this, but I'm sure her taste in women for me would not in any way coincide with mine. Regardless, this is desperation at work. We should never let desperation guide our actions with women. It is a recipe for failure and misery. | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 11:18 PM |
| 1 | What's the Seddit consensus on going after girls with boyfriends?I've never seen evidence of any man being able to sleep with most women. The rumored cold approach success rate* of the people considered masters of the field (Mystery, Style, D'Angelo, TD, whoever you want to look to) is generally accepted to be between 10% and 20%. That's a long way from "most women". Even if there's someone whose rate is twice that (which seems unlikely), it's still less than half of women, and leaves plenty of room for the subset of girls in happy relationships ending up unt… | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 11:15 PM |
| 13 | How do you avoid the girl getting the impression you're way above her level and the only thing you can possibly be interested with her is quick sex?OK, so I sympathize, as I'm older (mid-30s) and have a pretty intimidatingly awesome life (I'm a published writer, own a successful company, I travel six months out of the year, when girls google me they find that I have fans, etc.). But, I don't have a good answer for you. Somewhere along the way, it stopped mattering to girls I meet, including much younger ones who don't even have proper careers yet. I, honestly, think it's just that my game got a lot better. What I thought was girls being int… | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 10:22 PM |
| 13 | How do you avoid the girl getting the impression you're way above her level and the only thing you can possibly be interested with her is quick sex?Go after hotter girls. Hot girls are not intimidated by fancy jobs or wealth. In fact, they're probably used to dating guys with more of both than you have. | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 09:58 PM |
| 2 | How do you start a workplace hookup?In this reddit we don't let feeling attraction for one particular girl drive our actions. There are millions of girls in the world. This handful can be friend-zoned, without any pain or distress. Date them when they leave the company. Date their friends. Flirt with them playfully. But don't go for them. | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 09:55 PM |
| 5 | How do you start a workplace hookup?You can do this by saying, "Man, does no one go out for drinks after work at this place?" and proceed to tell stories about how that was commonplace at your last job. Or, you know, you could just say, "Drinks after work at X bar. You guys are coming right?" They say, "no", you say, "Lame!" (Or just do the loser "L" on the forehead thing, while exaggeratedly mouthing "Loser!". Playful teasing is powerful stuff.) And walk away, only to enlist others in your drink-getting plans. The girls will join… | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 09:53 PM |
| 3 | Something has to give, I want to change my life.DSOnelove has given you an excellent recipe for becoming awesome. Listen to him, as it's an incredibly valuable bunch of advice. I'd like to add some bits of wisdom I've picked up over the years, which augment what he's said. Is your apartment located somewhere nice? Can you easily walk to shopping, parks, coffee shops, bars? If not, start looking for a new apartment. Don't put off the DSOnelove plan for this...but add it to the list of things you're working on, and should have sorted in the nex… | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 09:45 PM |
| 5 | Something has to give, I want to change my life.I disagree with this to some degree. Masturbation is perfectly healthy, and keeps things desensitized enough to where you can be an effective lover when you do land a girl. But, if you're doing it in the middle of the day, multiple times a day, or whenever you could be instead doing something useful, it's a problem, and should be dealt with by cutting back. | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 09:29 PM |
| 5 | Is this in anyway salvageable?You probably should not do this. Don't let your mom set you up. The woman is probably fat, probably crazy, and probably desperate. Get out of the house. Meet girls. One night out at a cool bar, or at some sort of social event related to things you enjoy (art show, poetry reading, drum circle, social bike ride, whatever, as long as it isn't technology or role playing related) will allow you to meet several new potential girlfriends, if that's what you're looking for. It may take you a few runs at… | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 09:26 PM |
| 3 | What's the Seddit consensus on going after girls with boyfriends?I don't think it's as simple as being more alpha. There are other motivations, and other determinants of a woman's behavior. They do, in fact, have frontal lobes and relatively advanced cognitive functions in their head, you know? Women aren't merely instinctive machines, as hard as that may be to believe, with the way we talk about systems and rules and guidelines and phone game and text game and IOIs, etc. Just like men don't necessarily jump every tight body that comes their way, if they're i… | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 07:01 PM |
| 1 | [FR] Got stuck on a couch being gamed by 3 HB<5's. How to bail?Roissy ran a poll that seems to indicate that enough men agree on beauty that it's a meaningful scale. While my 10 is the groupthink 8.5, and the groupthink 9 is barely a 7 for me, it's close enough to where we can all agree that both Monica Bellucci and Alizee are hot as hell and clearly in the upper echelon of beauty. http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/female-beauty-from-1-to-10/ It's silly to try to come up with other scales, when everybody already knows what "a perfect 10" means. If you … | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 05:09 PM |
| 7 | What's the Seddit consensus on going after girls with boyfriends?I should note that my position on married women is very different. The consequences of attracting someone's girlfriend (or boyfriend), and landing that girl (or boy), is that they break up, which is no big deal. I've broken up with lots of girlfriends, long before I got into pickup and had more options, and even then it was no big deal; when the love is gone, it's not a tragedy for the relationship to end. Sometimes relationships were not meant to be (in fact, I'd argue that most relationships w… | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 04:04 PM |
| 1 | Making up for a failure stated in a previous post. I got her number and drinks are planned this Friday.You never focus on games you're playing with women you want to sleep with. You laugh about it. You make jokes. You make fun of her. You touch her (high fives, teasing shoves, conciliatory hugs). You act theatrically shamed when you make a mistake. The notion that a game would be "boring" when you're playing with someone you're attracted to should never enter your mind. Whatever you want to do is the most awesome thing in the world to be doing at that moment. If it's playing billiards, then by go… | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 03:01 PM |
| 3 | Making up for a failure stated in a previous post. I got her number and drinks are planned this Friday.Bar date etiquette, assuming you want to sleep with her that day: Be there early. Make friends with bartenders, so you know them by name, and they know you. This probably isn't possible on a busy night...at the least tip well, and be friendly, so bartenders smile when you come for drinks. Be flirting with other girls, or at least involved in a conversation with a mixed set when she arrives. Introduce them, if you've exchanged names, chat for a minute, and then grab drinks and isolate for a bit. … | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 07:52 AM |
| 1 | I'm proposing a new scale. Attractive - Not attractiveThis. It's vital for calibration of your opener and how you handle the relationship. You don't open a 6 with a neg, but you might open a 9 or 10 with something downright rude (or not, it depends on the context). Because the 9s and 10s have been approached thousands of times in their lives, they have an otherworldly grasp of the subtleties of seduction. A 6, on the other hand, will have no idea what just happened and be pissed. | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 06:48 AM |
| 7 | What's the Seddit consensus on going after girls with boyfriends?I have a pretty strict moral compass for myself. I won't try to convince anyone that I'm right or wrong on this particular decision, but I will say that I live a pretty strict life because of ethical positions (I've been a vegetarian my entire adult life, and my lifestyle is one of pretty extreme environmentalism, to a point that many people would consider it similar to a life of poverty). If I felt at all ethically questionable about trying to pickup the girl in this case, I wouldn't pursue it.… | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 06:13 AM |
| 2 | Men Are Better Than Women Dick MastersonAgreed. I'm pretty sure he's a comedian or writer or something that just did this on a lark, and found it to be very profitable. | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 05:56 AM |
| 18 | What's the Seddit consensus on going after girls with boyfriends?I wrote a huge series of comments on this subject just yesterday (in a thread about a girl I'd like to extract from her relationship). Here's the question that started a chain of long comments: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/dvvg7/field_report_and_how_about_this_lineis_it_a/c13d3g7 In short, I don't usually do so, as it's too much work. But, if a girl that I'm really attracted to (on much more than a superficial level) is also really attracted to me, I've come around to the idea of g… | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 05:53 AM |
| 5 | [FR] Help needed after F-close..First up, don't get too caught up in the first chick who fucks you. Yes, she might be awesome...but you don't have much to judge that by. Talk to other girls, particularly girls that live nearer to you. When she's in your town, you can show her a good time (in and out of the bedroom). When you happen to be in hers, you can let her show you a good time (though you still want to remain confident, cocky, and comfortable making decisions, even when you're in unfamiliar territory). Realize that she'l… | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 02:18 AM |
| 8 | Ladies, this pisses men off.I have no idea what that means. Thanks? | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 01:47 AM |
| 2 | [FR] Got stuck on a couch being gamed by 3 HB<5's. How to bail?The tragic thing about it is that somewhere beneath all the layers of fat, the excess facial hair, and questionable hygiene, is a beautiful girl. I think she ate her. Honestly, I feel kinda bad about perpetuating a photo of the accepted standard for "ugliest woman". It's not entirely her fault she looks this way. But, she has been declared the prototypical HB1, and it's even harder to find examples of HB1s than HB10s, because HB10s get put on billboards and in movies, while HB1 get put down. | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 01:02 AM |
| 8 | Ladies, this pisses men off.Thanks. I'm glad people find it helpful. | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 12:18 AM |
| 11 | Ladies, this pisses men off.Totally, I didn't even notice the fact that OPs texts have "pleaser" written all over them. You never give an open-ended invitation to a woman you want to sleep with. Friends, sure. Potential mates? Never. There will be a place and time and activity that you want to do. She doesn't want to join you, you call the next girl on your list. | /r/seduction | 26/10/10 12:06 AM |
| 48 | Ladies, this pisses men off.Another option: Ignore her later texts. You're too busy making out with other chicks to be bothered with your phone that night. Text her the next day, "Hey, sorry I missed your text. Long night, just got up." If she replies in reasonable time, you can make a date for that night (assuming it's not a weekend). She'll understand now that your time has value, and if she wants some of it, she has to be willing to compromise a bit. Or she won't. But, you definitely won't get the girl by being at her b… | /r/seduction | 25/10/10 11:57 PM |
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