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I haven't read the whole post yet, but here's something I've learned (as an experienced guy, and a former mod here): If you go indirect on girls the same way they go indirect on you, and then go direct when the timing is right, you're gonna be able to fuck them almost every single time. Every PUA has basically said the same shit, but they've never put it so concisely. I'm gonna go ahead and say that I've just said it more concisely than anyone else ever could. Start with indirect shit that might…
/r/seduction20/11/18 08:41 AM
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Yeah, it was pretty big news a couple years ago. The dude was just... sexually frustrated for whatever reason, and decided that girls were the problem. What's "funny" (not really, but you know what I mean) about it is that he basically disproved his own fuckin point. He killed himself (after killing multiple others) because girls weren't the problem in the first place. He was the problem, obviously, because he led himself to his own death. But yes, he certainly had some issues -- I wouldn't try …
/r/seduction05/10/18 08:45 PM
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You both made different points. He's saying that a "bad boy" looks down on women, because he's using a different definition of the term "bad boy" -- a term that I would never use in our glossary, because it's such a clusterfuck of a term, in and of itself. You're using the term in a different way, so it has nothing to do with his point. I, personally, feel that the term falls somewhere in the middle of your 2 points. I think a "bad boy" can satisfy both of your definitions at the same time, and …
/r/seduction04/10/18 03:50 AM
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Even when I put her on a pedestal, I still respect myself more than some random girl. So I don't "chase" any girls, ever. Why the fuck would I? I just do what I do, and we'll see how it works.
/r/seduction30/09/18 10:50 AM
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I disagree. You gotta know how to flirt correctly. The other guy made a very good point, overall. I agree with it.
/r/seduction30/09/18 10:47 AM
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WHAT?? You wanna redefine your point? Or say something better?
/r/seduction30/09/18 10:46 AM
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He's obviously making a different point, here, so...
/r/seduction30/09/18 10:45 AM
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I would never call anyone -- that's too 80's movies, obviously ;-). I'd get their number, then text them either later that night, or I'd wait a couple days. I can find their fuckin facebook within an hour without even getting their "facebook." I don't use any of those other apps, and I've literally never heard of them. I would just get the girl's number so I can text her. Or give her mine so she can text me.
/r/seduction28/09/18 05:37 PM
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I agree. But it's still kinda true that if you only meet girls at night, they're more likely to be those "party" girls, but if someone isn't looking for that, then they should focus more on day-game. Obviously most of the same girls will overlap. But as an example -- my current girlfriend hardly ever went to the bars. I was a regular at my bar, and I randomly saw her once, and flirted with her, and we've been together for 4 years. She just randomly went there, and I had never seen her there befo…
/r/seduction28/09/18 05:26 PM
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Late reply here, but your best bet (though it depends on your age) is to simply meet a girl/guy who can teach you some English, and/or try to date that person if she's a girl. And then go from there. I would say your best bet is to "simply" learn English, which would solve a lot of problems, but I dunno where you currently live, so I dunno.
/r/seduction28/09/18 07:10 AM
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I've met several girls through day-game, so I wonder why you feel that way. Granted, I've met many more at night. IMO, day-game is more interesting for many reasons: 1: It introduces you to girls in a different situation. 2: Those girls are often different than the ones you meet at night. 3:Your approach needs to be different than it is at a bar, or whatever. 4: It's outside of the comfort-zone, for everyone involved. If you fuck it up, you've royally fucked it up. Granted, some guys have said t…
/r/seduction28/09/18 06:59 AM
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Just gonna go ahead and say "yep." Edit about the instagram thing -- if you're already flirting with the girl and it seems to be going well, get her fuckin number. You can find her facebook in a million different ways if you really want to stalk her. Allow her the opportunity to give you her actual number. I've never (and will never) ask a girl for her fuckin facebook or instagram shit, cuz that doesn't make sense. Get her number, at the very least.
/r/seduction28/09/18 06:48 AM
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Late reply here, but I disagree with the other guy's point: that "being direct and upfront is usually a plus." I disagree. I think most guys who know how to do shit aren't just gonna straight-up try to get in a girl's pants. They're doing their own version of flirting (which may or may not be more openly-flirtatious). For me, always -- I flirt with the girl enough to make it obvious that I'm interested, but that's about it. Then if it's last-call at the bar, I might try to have her come to my pl…
/r/seduction28/09/18 06:43 AM
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No, you definitely can still do that -- and you should. It's just a matter of percentages, in the long run. Some girls will hate it, some will love it. Most will hate it, so you have to calibrate to that.
/r/seduction28/09/18 06:28 AM
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"Hey, I like your tattoo," or "Hey, just wondering -- no offense -- but did you play volleyball in high school?" Or even "Those earrings are pretty." Or "Those earrings are pretty cool." Or (with hair specifically) you can literally say "Oh my god, it must've taken an hour to do your hair!" (but say it in a very friendly way). Or just comment on how straight and/or curly it is, and ask what shampoo she uses. It's dependent on the situation, but it's on you to realize when she's going for a certa…
/r/seduction28/09/18 06:25 AM
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Still waiting for a fuckin response, dude.
/r/seduction23/09/18 03:18 PM
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Just looking for a straight answer.
/r/seduction23/09/18 02:56 PM
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I feel like you dont understand the "finesse" that's involved. If women truly saw right through it, how was I still able to fuck so many of them?? It's a question for the ages, I guess.
/r/seduction23/09/18 02:53 PM
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Also, apparently everything is "gaslighting" according to you, because I've never had to say "Calm down, it was just a joke" to anyone. Maybe you're just not great with jokes?
/r/seduction23/09/18 02:49 PM
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Are you a guy or a girl yourself?
/r/seduction23/09/18 02:45 PM
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Also, you didn't bother to argue against anything I said. Would you like to?
/r/seduction23/09/18 02:39 PM
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Haha, what a funny story, Mark!
/r/seduction23/09/18 02:37 PM
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Here's some better advice, as a former mod here, who wrote a thing about "negs" -- I already understand what you're talking about. And no, women don't see right through it when it's done right -- but hey, you know better than me, right? Either way, I now refer to "negs" as just "jokes," because any time they get mentioned, someone like you comes along and has to chime in about it. I've been dating my current girlfriend for 4 years. I'm 28, and she's 54. I'm sure my negging has really put her in …
/r/seduction23/09/18 02:22 PM
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K but you realize your advice isn't helpful at all to beginners who kinda need some basic lines, for support. Right? So what are some things you've said in the past? I agree with the fact that you shouldn't mention her appearance at all unless it's a "positive" neg, or just calling her "cute" works, because "cute" can be taken in many different ways. I like to play it both ways. I'm aggressive enough that the girl knows I'm into her, but I'll still call her cute and randomly mock some shit just …
/r/seduction23/09/18 07:12 AM
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Nightgame is similar, but relies a lot more on social cues (and the fact that you're often dealing with groups), and since you're both probably drinking, it's easier to be more "forward" in general. It's still the same general idea, but IMO, you have the option of being more flirtatious and/or more standoff-ish, depending on the situation. You can also close really quickly (like, literally fuck the girl within the next couple hours if you play your cards right -- unless you don't want to, which …
/r/seduction23/09/18 07:07 AM
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Overall I like the post, but I also agree with the other points. The post is very good for beginners, IMO. But I agree with the first commenter -- don't mention the akwardness of a situation that's already awkward. Also -- if it's purely random day-game, then telling the girl you think she's cute is perfectly fine, but there are still better ways to do it, while still conveying the same message. But for beginners, yeah, I'd still recommend to simply say that you thought they looked cute, or that…
/r/seduction23/09/18 07:01 AM
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I was just about to say "Sounds like you're doing fine," before I saw the first comment that said the exact same thing. You're already doing great, so just keep doing it. It's like I didn't feel the need to practice anymore/game, because I was (potentially) going to get with a girl who, I personally thought, was wayyy out of my league. Practice with that ugly girl regardless. You're the one who''s nervous about it, so just keep practicing. With hot chicks, ugly chicks, random guys, older women, …
/r/seduction17/09/18 12:02 AM
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My personality (well, you've seen some of it here already, where I can be kind of a dick, especially when drunk and looking at the shell of the place this once was) is pretty similar now, and it took hundreds of "approaches" and hundreds of experiences to become that way. I still have a crazy amount of social anxiety, even though I have plenty of experience, and I'm a manager at my job, etc. It still manifests itself, and then I basically just try to hide it. You can't change your face (unless y…
/r/seduction14/09/18 06:04 AM
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What I've generally noticed (and my dick is just average-sized) is that if you're in missionary, it's good to kinda rub against the clit -- with your lower abdomen -- as you're fucking, instead of just going in-out-in-out. Also, change the pace randomly (unless she tells you to keep going, which means she wants you to stay at the same pace -- no faster, no slower). Also, sometimes stick it in as far as you can, but other times, stick it in just a bit, or maybe half-way. With my current girlfrien…
/r/seduction12/09/18 11:54 PM
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Pretty sure he's implying he said it in a jokey tone, not a super-serious tone.
/r/seduction12/09/18 11:39 PM
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My mom and dad met at work. That rule is stupid, and only applies to specific situations.
/r/seduction12/09/18 11:34 PM
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Has this sub become such a fuckin small shred of its former self that you're able to get 54 upvotes just for saying "don't be unattractive"? Dude, go back and look at some of our older posts. You guys are a bunch of pussies yourselves, that's why you're not getting any. Sure, this dude is probably making up most of the story, but his advice is perfectly sound, and something I've recommended plenty of times in the past, as a fuckin mod. God forbid anyone actually tries to implement this (hell, mo…
/r/seduction12/09/18 11:33 PM
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I've had the same girlfriend for 4 years, but I generally used to approach women basically every day, multiple times a day. I don't like to refer to it as "approaching" though, because I think that makes it sound too intimidating. I just think of it as "talking to women," or hell, "talking to people in general." Even now, I usually talk to women (by approaching them in a similar way, but not directly flirting with them) multiple times a week.
/r/seduction12/09/18 11:00 PM
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You can make a simple declaration, if you want. Say "I love every single thing about you. I love how you flip your hair. I love how you put on a sweatshirt. I honestly love how sexy you are, and you don't seem to realize how sexy you are." If you really feel that she's special, you can add "I'd do anything for you." And/or straight up just tell her that you think she's sexy as fuck. It won't be cheesy, because it's sincere. Trust me, she'll appreciate hearing it. It's better than some sort of on…
/r/seduction12/09/18 09:51 AM
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At the start, I simply faked it. Ignore the judgment from other people, and just do it. With my current girlfriend, I randomly approached her at the bar, and her daughter (who's like 5 years older than me) was like "Stop hitting on my mom, asshole!" I basically responded with something like "Hey, I'm just making conversation, it's all good." Her daughter certainly judged me in that instance, but I kinda just blew it off, and kept going. The easiest way to delete that sense of insecurity from you…
/r/seduction12/09/18 09:39 AM
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Some of the best content creators on youtube started out by just amusing themselves (H3H3, Internet Comment Etiquette, etc.). Often, the best way to create comedy (in terms of content) is to simply amuse yourself. If you're already that sort of guy, chances are that your comedy will also appeal to thousands of other people.
/r/seduction12/09/18 09:35 AM
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He does live in San Fran, so I'm sure he makes a decent chunk of change. But I've met him in-person, and he simply exudes confidence. The money doesn't really factor into it at all.
/r/seduction12/09/18 06:16 AM
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Not sure about guys who literally turned their lives around, but there are plenty of guys (like TofuTofu, who used to mod the sub) who aren't conventionally attractive, but have had tons of experience with women. He's overweight and I wouldn't call him handsome, but he and his wife have an open relationship, and he has plenty of success with women. Also, I seem to remember that he might've been terrible with women before discovering the seduction community (can't quite recall, though). If you go…
/r/seduction11/09/18 09:24 PM
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Yeah, feel free to message me. I've always got a reddit tab open (though I'm not always logged in, but still). I wouldn't say "Congrats, you won the hole," because that's hard to understand (if you open with it), and it's wayyy too forward, IMO. Some guys will just go with it, but most will think it's weird.
/r/seduction09/09/18 06:45 PM
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Very good point. And in general, I just call it "acting," cuz that's what I'm kinda doing. I'm playing a character. Except now it's been like 6 years, and I now AM that character. It led to me becoming a manager at my job, etc -- not just shit with women. Once you get that general attitude, then that's just how you act, generally. It's fuckin weird man. But it's also fun to be in charge of a whole store, and it's fun to walk into a bar and everyone fuckin knows me, and wants to say hi. I can und…
/r/seduction09/09/18 08:25 AM
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you're both right. Trust me, I've done my fuckin homework on this shit, but like the other guy mentioned, you have to take it all in combination. Like you said, you can't just look at hair-flipping. But if you combine hair-flipping and her random glances at your lips, I'd say you're pretty fuckin golden at that point.
/r/seduction09/09/18 08:16 AM
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Start with "Hi." He'll say "hi" back. Now it's up to you -- if you're really that skittish, I'd make some sort of situational joke about whatever's around you in the current moment. Easiest joke to make (and also dumbest, but still proven to work) is to say something about the weather. Depending on how he responds to that, you can now get a feel for how "into it" he is. And you delve from there. If you wanna just say "So how bout this rain, huh?" that's not a bad opener if you're "seducing" a gu…
/r/seduction09/09/18 07:01 AM
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Late reply here, but can you admit that your initial usage of the word "Ew" means that you thought the situation was awkward (on your end, at least)? I'd feel bad about being wrong, but I'm not the person who started the comment with "Ew." Yet you said the situation wasn't awkward, so I gotta wonder... why even say "ew" in the first place? If it wasn't awkward, there'd be no reason to say "ew." I'd just love to see your response, because I'm honestly just sitting here trying to figure out why th…
/r/seduction07/09/18 09:39 AM
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That's fine, but it's also why we don't recommend listening to individual girls on this subreddit, because every girl prefers different shit. You prefer if a guy just went for it. Other girls might report you to the police if you just "went for it." As a guy who's done virtually everything, I can give better advice to other guys, compared to some random girl who wants the guy to just "go for it."
/r/seduction07/09/18 09:31 AM
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Most of the approaches that are mentioned in "The Game" can still work from the opposite perspective. IMO, you have to balance your levels of confidence/humility. You have to be confident enough to make the approach, and confident enough to keep up a conversation, but you have to be humble enough so that you won't randomly brag about yourself, or talk over the guy/girl. The easiest way to fuck a girl (from what I've seen) is to start a conversation and then just listen to -- and agree with -- wh…
/r/seduction07/09/18 09:25 AM
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That's a good one. I'll remember it in case I need to use it.
/r/seduction07/09/18 09:19 AM
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Late secondary reply here, but I want to reiterate a point: Emojis don't exist for any actual reason. Someone created them, and people started using them. To further explain my point: I also never say "lol," ever, in any text I've ever sent. I might say "haha" sometimes, but I don't say "lol." Maybe it's just my own experience/thoughts, but little things like emojis and "lols" seem a bit immature to me, and IMO, the over-use of them will make you seem a bit desperate, if not a bit weird in gener…
/r/seduction07/09/18 06:46 AM
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Ok, so the answer is actually kinda complicated, then? I was a mod of this sub for like 3 years, and I'm doing okay in general. I just wanted you to explain a bit more about the situation because I knew it was more complicated.
/r/seduction03/09/18 05:21 PM
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You used them twice in one reply on reddit, which IMO is twice too many. Emojis exist for kids. Phones could already do the "happy face," or "sad face," or whatever. Emojis exist just because they could. Feel free to use them (my girlfriend uses them sometimes), but they're stupid, and don't even work on some phones.
/r/seduction03/09/18 04:58 PM
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Your reply itself though is kinda complicated, if you think about it. You're in a situation where the dialog has died, and then you say "Hey..." for some reason. Obviously the reason is to kiss the girl, but that's actually kinda complicated, especially for guys who've never done it before. You yourself said it was easy, but you wrote basically a paragraph about how to do it, and still didn't explain it. Can you explain it?
/r/seduction03/09/18 04:44 PM
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No, you can use a lot of the stuff we talk about here -- it'll be a bit different, but not much different. You gotta start slow, and work up to it. Start talking to the cashier at the grocery store, or the barista at Starbucks. Then start talking to more people. Then start talking to some random people you happen to see. Once you're semi-comfortable with that, then you can start approaching random women (if that's what you want to do). It's really just up to you, and you're in control of it. Jus…
/r/seduction03/09/18 04:35 PM
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I kinda disagree. You don't wanna potentially have some girl who's feeling weird around you cuz you randomly tried to kiss her one night. You'll see her the next night, and it'll be weird. You can certainly go that route if you're just randomly going to a bunch of bars or something, but in my town, you can't just do that. Worst that can happen is her boyfriend comes up and punches you in the face, and... either way, it can definitely get worse.
/r/seduction03/09/18 04:25 PM
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I agree with both of you. Body language cues are certainly a thing, but like the other guy said, they're less meaningful in most situations -- they're more meaningful in the beginning, when you're first meeting someone. My boss happens to mirror my body language a lot (while NOT mirroring our other managers much). So that means he likes me, or at least respects me a bit more than the other managers. In terms of dating though, body language stuff is only important when you first start talking to …
/r/seduction03/09/18 04:21 PM
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Yeah. You know what you're talking about. Maybe you can reply to some of the women in the first comment who seem to think it's crazy to ask a random question and go in for a kiss. IMO, it's one of the few times where you can actually play out a romantic comedy movie where it actually works and isn't weird.
/r/seduction03/09/18 04:10 PM
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I don't know anything else about you, but my main advice would be to use less emojis, in general.
/r/seduction03/09/18 04:07 PM
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Yeah, maybe. I'm a former moderator of this sub. I'm 28, and my current girlfriend is 54. Regardless, you're purposely imagining the worst-case scenario of how this situation plays out (hypothetically), because you're a woman who's been in similar situations before. But that's akin to saying something like "Sex is bad, because my previous boyfriends have been bad at it."
/r/seduction03/09/18 03:47 PM
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The first word you used was "Ew." Now you're saying that it wasn't awkward. Why use the word "ew" to describe the situation? Clearly something about the situation didn't feel right, but you're saying it wasn't awkward. I made a comment below in this thread where I mentioned that I think I did a similar thing with my current girlfriend of 4 years, who has never said anything about it. But you still said "ew." And now you're saying that it wasn't awkward, despite saying "ew." Edit to mention: No, …
/r/seduction03/09/18 03:40 PM
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If it wasn't awkward for you, why do you keep describing it as being awkward?
/r/seduction03/09/18 03:26 PM
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Most girls I've fucked, I've fucked more than once. If they secretly hated it, then they certainly kept it secret. In which case, it doesn't matter.
/r/seduction03/09/18 03:18 PM
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I'm a bit late to this party, but yeah, she seems a bit young... or something. She's misunderstanding the whole situation in the first place, and she's writing reddit comments as if they're phone texts from a 4th-grader.
/r/seduction03/09/18 03:12 PM
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You realize the guy isn't actually cutting you off in this situation, right? This situation would occur at like the end of a date where you've been walking around town, or walking on the beach, or getting home from the bar. He'll ask a random-ass question that's supposed to be very general, and light-hearted, while he's already standing very close to you (keep in mind, this isn't some random motherfucker -- it's the guy you've been with all night). When you go to answer this random light-hearted…
/r/seduction03/09/18 03:02 PM
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I'm a guy who has personal experience from a guy's perspective, which is wholly different from your perspective as a girl. For one, you're automatically assuming that the situation will be awkward. I'm automatically assuming that it won't be. Two, you're probably imagining a situation where it would become awkward, whereas I've actually done it a million times and it wasn't awkward when I did it. Will it be awkward when other guys try to do it? Sure. That's on them. This guy was asking about a v…
/r/seduction03/09/18 02:46 PM
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As someone with more "early" experiences with girls, I always felt similarly when I was like 13-15. As with anything, it just takes some experience, and you'll notice it the same way I do now. It's not really about "confidence" (I don't consider myself to be truly confident -- I just fake it). But experience will teach you how to do it. I don't say a single fuckin thing when I want to kiss a girl, or even when I want to fuck her. I gauge her reaction the whole time, so asking would be a moot poi…
/r/seduction31/08/18 08:43 AM
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Yep, for most guys -- by the time you think she's ready to be kissed, that means she was ready to be kissed like 15 minutes ago, and you've just been afraid to do anything.
/r/seduction31/08/18 08:38 AM
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Gonna go ahead as someone with more experience and say you're completely fuckin wrong. The guy obviously isn't expecting a fuckin answer in the first place -- he's being cutesy, cuz it's a cutesy thing to do.
/r/seduction31/08/18 08:35 AM
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Do you know where OP lives, or are you just making assumptions? I don't live in an area where I can join a bunch of clubs and shit. You do, but I don't.
/r/seduction30/07/18 05:34 AM
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Do you think he lives down the street from you?
/r/seduction30/07/18 05:32 AM
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I gave the guy a much different answer, because I disagreed with your notion that he can just randomly join a club. I live in a suburb where I can't just randomly join a club. But you seemed to be assuming that OP can just join a fuckin club.
/r/seduction30/07/18 05:30 AM
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If you play in some free volleyball league, then mention it to the fuckin guy who's asking about it. I'm not sour and negative. Then again though, where do you play? Do you think this guy lives around there, or what? Where do they do the special olympics shit, and are you also suggesting that this dude should meet women at the special olympics? I'm not joking -- I wanna know. So let me know, please.
/r/seduction30/07/18 05:27 AM
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I've never tried tinder or any other dating site, ever. I meet girls at bars, at bookstores, etc. You need to start the conversation. Once it's started, she might turn you down at some point. The world isn't ending -- just move on to the next girl. People might say it sounds "fake" or whatever, but so does fuckin Tinder.
/r/seduction30/07/18 05:18 AM
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As a former mod of this sub, with plenty of experience, let me just say this: stop doubting yourself. I'm guessing you're from across the pond, but the same shit applies. Go out and talk to women. That's it. Just go do it. Do it in a friendly, non-flirty manner. I do it every day. You can do the same. Just start there, until you get used to it. Once you're used to it, you can start being flirty. But just say something about the shitty weather or something. That's it. Then walk away. Edit: Or in …
/r/seduction30/07/18 05:08 AM
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I usually try to help guys overcome shit like this, but yeah -- this is a situation where he has zero "frame" at all, and he's got her sitting on the highest pedestal for no real reason. Even if the bitch is a model, just match her frame then -- or make yours better. It's pretty easy. Just fuckin pretend to be cool.
/r/seduction30/07/18 04:59 AM
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Yeah, if I had Instagram, there'd be a bunch of crazy shit that doesn't really represent my actual life.
/r/seduction30/07/18 04:55 AM
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I dont really understand why Im boring for not wanting to drink or go out to those places. There are other things to do in the world. Maybe it works for you and thats great but your basically saying I >need to change myself and do things Im not interested in to get a relationship. Isnt that what youre not supposed to do? Also, am I supposed to avoid women completely until I get my own place? YES!!! You do need to change yourself, clearly, since you aren't happy with your current situation. You l…
/r/seduction30/07/18 04:43 AM
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You don't need to drink, but on Friday/Saturday nights, you should go to bars anyway, because that's where most people will be. Just order a water or whatever. The trick is to pretend to be confident. Once you learn how to pretend, you'll soon discover that you're actually being confident without pretending. It's a funny thing, and if you just make the effort, you'll see the results soon enough.
/r/seduction30/07/18 04:35 AM
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Ok, but your answer is that he needs to join a class. Does he have money to join a cycling class or some shit? Because I certainly don't. I'd tell him to start approaching people (women or men) at the bookstore, and/or the grocery store, etc. I wouldn't just assume that he's a rich motherfucker who has enough money to take a class in whatever bullshit. Nor would I tell him to bother with that unless he's genuinely interested in it, in its own right. What destroys self-esteem is a bad childhood a…
/r/seduction30/07/18 04:30 AM
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I'm in my 27's and barely function. That makes you smart. You can also type clear and coherent sentences, which has to mean something.
/r/seduction10/03/18 06:58 AM
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For me, it started from a point of anxiety and (to some level, at least) desperation. I knew (from the first day of orientation in college -- where I went out-of-state) that I could easily just sit there and do nothing, and be perfectly comfortable. But I knew I couldn't make friends that way -- so as soon as I walked into this huge lecture hall, I went and sat next to this random dude (who turned out to be living in the dorm next to mine). I started talking to him, and we hit it off, and I was …
/r/seduction10/03/18 06:56 AM
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For the sake of the situation, I believe you. I was moreso just making a point about "rating" a girl in the first place. I've talked to people in the past and said "this girl was a 6," and "this girl was an 8," etc. Because their "relative" attractiveness can be a huge influence on how you try to approach her. If the girl's a 6, I can't go in acting all cocky and shit, cuz that will put her off (though it still depends on the situation). Also, I can say a girl is a 6 but still be attracted to he…
/r/seduction07/03/18 09:19 PM
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Agreed. It's like saying "lol" even though you're probably not actually laughing at the time. Which is why I never fuckin say lol in a text, to anyone, ever. I just think it's fuckin stupid. I'll say "haha" in certain situations when I think something's funny, but that's about it. There was a time when I used "lol" and other shit to try to tailor my texts to the specific girl I was texting, but I quickly realized it was just a waste of time. If the girl wants to say lol all the time, that's fine…
/r/seduction07/03/18 09:04 PM
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Late reply here, but since nobody really helped answer the question, I can try, at least: For girl one, you can simply say "Hey, I know we didn't talk much in class, but we should hang out some time." Then ask for her number, preferably in a non-awkward way. For girl two, you can say literally the same thing. OR maybe mention basketball (but as you said, you had only talked about it once, ever). It'd be weird for you to start flirting with them now if you never have before, so your only real opt…
/r/seduction07/03/18 12:13 PM
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Like others have mentioned, it seems like you're judging yourself more than you would ever judge anyone else. What you need to learn and accept is the fact that you simply are who you are. Yes, you can become more sociable (and you should). You can change various other things (and you should). But in the end, you are who you are. IMO, your past pains should be put in the past, and you should simply focus on the future. You should totally act how you want to -- you just also need to learn to acce…
/r/seduction07/03/18 11:58 AM
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I'm an okay-looking guy, but even I will strike out almost 95% of the time at any club or bigger bar (or even smaller bars). It really just depends on how you approach the situation. It's still true that anyone can get with anyone in a bar, but there are obviously some caveats. If you're better-looking, that's obviously an advantage. But I've still been out-shown by plenty of "fatter" and/or "uglier" guys a thousand times. Because their entire attitude/demeanor was simply more attractive. It hap…
/r/seduction07/03/18 11:33 AM
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Yeah, he's either a straight-up troll, or just really, really weird in general. Also, I think some of these posts have started to be invaded by bots (not this one, except for the most recent post at the bottom). I'm not sure what to do, cuz the mods aren't here. I used to be a mod, but I can't do shit now, so I guess this guy's random troll/bot post just stays on the front page for everyone to see. He's totally lying, btw.
/r/seduction07/03/18 10:58 AM
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The dude either fucks all the random bar chicks at last call, or he's lying about the entire situation. He doesn't understand basic grammar -- so if he is fucking a bunch of women, they must also have little regard for proper grammar.
/r/seduction07/03/18 10:50 AM
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No, he's saying that OP is a fuckin liar. I fucked drunk chicks all the time, but OP's describing it like it's some sort of fairy-tale, cuz he's lying. Eskeeetiiit was saying that anyone can get with a girl at a bar/club/party, which is true. But he's also saying that handsomeness isn't the fuckin answer to the problem of getting girls. Whereas OP seems to be trolling, and also implying that he himself is handsome, and that's why he gets girls. First -- I don't think OP gets girls. Second -- I s…
/r/seduction07/03/18 10:47 AM
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You voiced it better than I could have, but yeah, this guy seems like a troll, and he keeps randomly getting upvotes -- I have to assume those upvotes aren't coming from our normal seddit users, cuz they would never upvote that sort of bullshit in the first place (edit: also, the other commenters in some of these threads seem like literal bots). The dude's initial question is basically asking "Hey, I get fucked all the time despite saying dumb desperate shit, so I'm cool, right?" First -- no, yo…
/r/seduction07/03/18 10:36 AM
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some of them call me Mr perfect or marry me already lol Bullshit
/r/seduction07/03/18 10:24 AM
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The point of OP's post was to kinda show the "escalation" of her IOIs. So your responses should be tailored to the IOIs she's showing. She might be wanting to fuck, but you can't ever just say "Let's fuck." Your responses have to be congruent to her IOIs, and then you escalate your advances as her IOIs escalate.
/r/seduction07/03/18 09:29 AM
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IMO this happened in the OP's post as well, he just didn't go into detail about it. Either way, I agree -- it's basically a "qualifying" situation.
/r/seduction07/03/18 09:26 AM
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Especially if he's at work, yeah. She probably wanted the D.
/r/seduction07/03/18 09:24 AM
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I'd say yeah, definitely. That's kinda how it tends to go, but she also could've just been into him from the beginning (I wasn't there, so I dunno). But in general -- yes, this is exactly how you're supposed to handle that situation. You're being playful the whole time, and being somewhat "disinterested" -- which means she now has to make more of an effort. That's kinda the whole point of "seduction" as a general thing. You're just flipping the script on the gender dynamics.
/r/seduction07/03/18 09:21 AM
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Answer the fuckin question. You can't just randomly be racist against Indian people, dude. I punched an Indian guy last year and people started thinking I was racist somehow. I made sure to mention that the guy called my girlfriend a cunt, and I gave him a warning, but then he said it again, so I punched him. So no, I'm not Indian. What are you, though?
/r/seduction07/03/18 09:07 AM
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I'm the whitest motherfucker in the world without being albino. What nationality are you?
/r/seduction07/03/18 08:58 AM
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Did you read the actual post, or are you just a bot?
/r/seduction07/03/18 08:56 AM
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As much as I agree with the point, this message can also be found in the sidebar here. And the other commenters seem a bit fishy to me, based on their grammar errors and general reddit histories. These people have all responded as if the OP is asking for advice. But the OP was actually giving advice, so the responses don't make much sense. They honestly sound like bots. I'm gonna mention them to the admins.
/r/seduction07/03/18 08:52 AM
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Later reply here, but I wanted to mention: the ship has sailed and here I am daydreaming that I could get laid even once, without paying. It's not happening, obviously. I'm sure you're a smart guy, and since you're smart, you can understand that what you said above is just coming from a defeatist mentality. Have you ever really tried to make it happen? I got lucky in high school by looking decent, but by college, I looked pretty normal. I got girls in college by going around to various dorms and…
/r/seduction07/03/18 08:40 AM
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Since you were both showing signs of disinterest, it's hard to make a judgment call on the overall situation (without knowing shit more intimately -- you can PM me if you want, unless you've already gone through with shit). "ily" doesn't mean "I love you," IMO -- so I would consider that just a casual response to a "loving" text, or whatever. There was a single day where she didn't text you, after which she mentioned that she had been trying to text you -- in my own situation, my mom has a famil…
/r/seduction07/03/18 08:19 AM
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Mods, delete this shit when you get a chance, please. Look at OP's history. Or don't even bother with his history -- this post would be immediately deleted if I was a mod, because he's asking a bullshit question and apparently can't accept anyone else's answers. He also apparently hates Indian people, for whatever reason. And can't structure sentences properly. The dude's either the biggest tool in the toolbox, or a troll.
/r/seduction07/03/18 08:01 AM
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I have no idea what these other commenters are talking about. She didn't fuckin "ghost" you -- all she did was fail to respond for a day. God forbid you ever fail to respond for a day and then your future wife dumps you cuz you "ghosted" her, that one random day. There have been multiple days where my actual girlfriend supposedly "ghosts" me for almost the entire day, cuz she's busy with other shit. Who cares? My guess is that this girl isn't thinking much about the fact that she didn't respond …
/r/seduction07/03/18 07:44 AM
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IMO, it's relevant because there are literally different approaches you can use depending on the girl's "relative" attractiveness. And it can be especially helpful for guys who have less experience. Sure, it's a way to humblebrag about some girl you fucked, but IMO it's always a bit helpful, just so people can understand the situation a bit better (even if the OP is lying, the repliers can still respond to the "hypothetical" situation, which is never a bad thing).
/r/seduction07/03/18 07:07 AM
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And yet you feel you don't provide much value? No, I can guarantee that I provide little value as it pertains to a job and/or money in general. I make up for it in most other regards. Most importantly, I'm confident. I'd rather be at my home than try to lure a club sloot Then that's your prerogrative. I go to bars mostly. Not too many clubs in my area. But if you ignore them, most likely they will be more receptive to you. Quite openly in fact. And you only have to be mildly attractive. That's a…
/r/seduction07/03/18 06:47 AM
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I've run the gamut between younger girls, older women, and girls my same age. She's still hot and has a very "sultry" voice -- so I randomly met her at the bar, flirted with her, and now we've been together for 4 years. Older women are generally more "open," and also much more sexually-experienced (depends on the girl, I guess). Her children aren't my biggest fans (2 of them are older than me), but overall, we have a decent relationship.
/r/seduction05/03/18 07:30 AM
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That's pedestalising women. That's perpetuating that pussy is a high commodity. And what does she exactly bring to the table that's so valuable? It's a 2-way street. You should be gauging her worth while also showing yours. Why do you place so much worth on getting laid? You clearly lack self esteem and gynocentrism has led you to believe that it must be you who brings the value. That's all women bring too. Is there looks. So you're on an even playing field. I've been with the same girlfriend fo…
/r/seduction05/03/18 06:05 AM
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My frat only had like 17 guys, and most of them were overweight and/or "nerdier" guys. They lived in just a normal-sized house, not a mansion like most other frats. They got laid because they hosted parties. Without that factor, they largely would've remained virgins too.
/r/seduction05/03/18 05:48 AM
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No no no -- don't get me wrong, I agree with your argument about "we're kissing, then I'm taking your clothes off, then we're fucking, etc." I'm just letting you know that you never explained the woman's actions while all of this was occurring (and technically, it'd take more like 15 seconds to do that). I agree that it's always implied that the girl can say no and/or interject at any point, but your way of explaining the situation kinda glossed over that fact. Also -- NO, if there was a total l…
/r/seduction03/03/18 03:19 PM
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Your last text was fuckin retarded (no offense -- I've done it many times before). She gave you the hint in her second text. IMO, you're still fine, but you'd be doing much better if you hadn't texted that stupid last text, which killed a lot of the vibe you had going. I'd just wait till tomorrow, and see if she texts at any point before like 3pm. If she does, then just respond casually, but then try to lead it into a more "serious" convo (or just invite her on a date). If she doesn't text in th…
/r/seduction03/03/18 01:44 PM
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It depends on the specific girl you're pursuing. Showing "less investment" would probably be the better term. You can still initiate contact, and set up dates, and whatever, but it's almost always a good idea to basically "pretend" as if you don't care very much. I know it sounds shitty, because on some level, it is. But this is how girls usually interact with guys. Having said that -- it still totally depends on the girl. If you're attracted to that one goth chick, she probably won't care that …
/r/seduction03/03/18 01:17 PM
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You sound like you've been kissing girls' cheeks and necks wayyyy too much. Stop doing that. I mean -- keep doing that, but start kissing their mouths more. You're just not used to it. Also your last sentence sounds weird (I'd rather kiss a girl than grab her ass -- I can grab her ass any time I want, but I can't always just kiss her, randomly). For kissing, start by just putting your lips up against hers, and just move your lips in response to what she's doing. If she starts to add some tongue …
/r/seduction03/03/18 12:29 PM
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Yeah, basically. For the guys here -- you can't just go around oogling asses. You give a few glances here and there (enough so they know that you're looking, but not enough to where you seem like some sort of creep who's just looking at their ass). Then you approach, with the mindset of the guy who's already been successful. It's hard to describe that mindset, but you basically need to visualize that the girl was already into you, and you're just sealing the deal. Granted -- if your social barom…
/r/seduction03/03/18 12:19 PM
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Welp... guess it's time for the annual bot uprising, cuz friendly-bot's certainly going down if it replies to me again. Go ahead, friendly-bot
/r/seduction03/03/18 12:03 PM
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Bad bot If I could kill a bot, I'd kill... well, maybe a few others, but this would be in my top 5
/r/seduction03/03/18 11:54 AM
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self-improvement is NOT the answer. How can you feel self-worth with self-improvement when self-improvement is basically saying "you/re shit now, but complete this goal and you'll be better, and after that goal do this goal, and after that goal do another goal and then you'll be better." 100% agreed. It's the same reason why everyone looks for the new fad diet -- cuz they couldn't maintain the last fad diet they were on. Just eat less calories and work out a bit more, for fuck's sake. I got real…
/r/seduction03/03/18 11:48 AM
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Drinking (to a point) is totally fine -- it's how I became a mod here, and partly how I became more successful with women, in general. You seem like you have a good head on your shoulders, so you're already doing better than most guys, believe it or not. For me personally (and this might not work for you), I literally just faked it -- for every interaction, I imagined what Brad Pitt would say/do, and just said/did that exact thing. It worked. Nowadays, I'm just myself, but I still have that gene…
/r/seduction03/03/18 11:35 AM
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While totally true, you need to find a better way of explaining how it unfolds. Everything you mentioned is "technically" fine. But you can't just force a girl to kiss you, without at least explaining what you mean -- I've "forced" multiple girls to kiss me, but it's usually in the heat of the moment, with a ton of sexual tension, and I know she already wants to kiss me. Even in your comment, it's not explained very well -- yeah, you can quickly put a condom on and put your dick inside the girl,…
/r/seduction03/03/18 11:09 AM
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I never went to a club until my first year in college and felt the exact same way at the club, despite being a "normal" weight -- so just keep that in mind. There was literally no difference between you and I, in that situation. Perhaps clubs just aren't the right environment for me? I feel like it's the only place I feel in the zone though. That last sentence makes it sound like you need to just stop worrying and start loving the dance floor. I can't dance for shit, and I look like a fool at a …
/r/seduction03/03/18 10:35 AM
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I'd say it's a mix. I found the sub when I was starting college, and it allowed me to reinvent myself (I went out-of-state for college). I then had a lot of success with women, and became a mod, for several years. As of now, I'm 27, my girlfriend is 53, and we've been dating for 4 years. There were various shenanigans going on with r/seduction in general at the time, so I'm not a mod anymore. Either way, it's a mix. My girlfriend wouldn't still be with me if she didn't still find me "attractive"…
/r/seduction03/03/18 10:26 AM
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Like perversealt said, it's more of an in-between, I think. Yes, the fact that she recently made out with another guy means that she doesn't give much of a shit about you -- unless and/or until you become a couple. Also -- just in general, I tend to treat concerts and shit the same way I would treat Vegas... what happens there, stays there. Think of it like an 80's movie where whatshisname gets Molly Ringwald -- she'll never actually talk to him, ever again. Good for him though, cuz he'll probab…
/r/seduction03/03/18 10:04 AM
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I firmly agree with and support your last sentence. But everything else seems a bit discomforting. If the girls are into it, more power to you, but your comments make it sound like you're basically forcing them to kiss you, which would be sexual assault. I feel like you just didn't explain enough in your initial comments, and that's where the downvotes all came from. You kinda make it sound like you just force girls to kiss you, but in reality, it's probably a bit more nuanced than that.
/r/seduction03/03/18 09:44 AM
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I'd normally call bullshit, but looking back on it, I've been turned away maybe 10% of times, at most. If the guy's kissed 10 girls at a club, that statistic makes sense. His initial comment is fuckin shitty though -- don't just go randomly sticking your tongue in girls' faces. He makes it sound a bit too rapey, IMO. Let's go ahead and try to avoid any mention of that sort of stuff in this sub.
/r/seduction03/03/18 09:40 AM
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I don't suggest dating sites, at all. I've never used one, and never will. You're gonna keep getting the same shit you've mentioned. I'm an "okay-looking" guy, with a good sense of humor, but I would get utterly destroyed by the dating sites. I'd get zero hits. For you specifically, therapy is the best option. I've done it, fuckin Justin Beiber has done it (and I think we went to the same guy in Pasadena) -- it's just an outlet for you to vent all of your frustrations. You need to stop thinking …
/r/seduction03/03/18 09:14 AM
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Then you're still dependent on the concept of "value." Value just refers to the general shit you can add to the relationship. Whether it be psychological, or materialistic, or financial, or fun, etc. If you lack "value" overall, that's why girls won't date you. I personally don't provide much value overall (shitty job, no money, etc.). But I'm decent-looking, I know my way around sex, and I'm fun to be around, usually. Those last 3 traits are what keep me afloat -- otherwise I'd probably still b…
/r/seduction03/03/18 08:29 AM
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That's actually probably the most important point to take away from the OP. You should value yourself enough to inherently believe that you're funny, and interesting, etc. I don't go fuckin hiking, or take girls on "dates" and shit. I'm just a cool guy, so people tend to like me. Is that thought mostly in my own head? Maybe, but in terms of my interactions with people, it makes no difference. Just be careful, because if you think too highly of your jokes, or of yourself in general, that can back…
/r/seduction03/03/18 08:23 AM
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Basically, hang out around Berkeley, or UCLA, or whichever college. Go to the bars around there, and just see where it leads. No, don't lie and say you're a student. Also, I dunno how much "older" you actually are. Your post makes it sound like you're 40 or something. If you're younger than 40-ish, you could easily just go to the various bars around whichever college area. If you're older than that, that's kinda weird, but at the same time -- I'm 27, and I've been dating my 53-year-old girlfrien…
/r/seduction26/02/18 09:13 AM
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Late reply, but yeah, his answer was just a straight-up insult. Even with negging, the point was never to literally insult the woman. I don't do much "negging" in the first place, but when I do, it's never really a "derogatory" remark. It's just a random remark that could be considered derogatory in certain contexts.
/r/seduction24/02/18 08:39 AM
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A real disqualifier would be more like "Yeah, I wish there were more strong guys around here. But here we are." Like another guy mentioned, you wanna increase comfort while technically reducing attraction (but you're doing it for a reason -- increasing comfort can lead to increased attraction later). I almost always will make self-deprecating jokes when I'm first talking to a girl (or a guy, just in a friendly way) at the start of a conversation. As we get deeper into the convo, I start to show …
/r/seduction24/02/18 08:36 AM
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Going off your point, ImJustSo's reply would actually be a pretty good response, if we're talking about individual responses (which is stupid -- it was decided years ago that individual lines are retarded, because you'll never know when to use them, and even if you get lucky, you still gotta follow them up by being a cool guy in general). But if I was actually just a cool, easy-going guy faced with a girl saying that line to me, ImJustSo's line works pretty well -- "Well, I'm pretty sure a woman…
/r/seduction24/02/18 08:25 AM
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Those responses are all fine, but like the other guy mentioned, they're unnecessary at that point. My main response would be "You're welcome," and I'd just lay down and cuddle with the girl (assuming she came too -- if she didn't, I'd keep going until she comes). I've made the same joke where I mention how big her other partners must be -- it usually works fine, but again, it's just an extra joke -- there's no real reason to say it, unless you know it's gonna be funny to her. Your last line is f…
/r/seduction24/02/18 08:05 AM
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Sounds like this guy stalked a girl and then tried to get physical at some point, after she was already uncomfortable in the first place. Getting expelled from the school usually doesn't happen unless you cross certain boundaries. This guy almost sounds like he would've been arrested if he had done similar shit in the middle of a city.
/r/seduction22/02/18 01:58 AM
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Your scrotum is already bigger than hers (I hope). To be more serious, it's always possible that this other guy was just flirting with her as well, and just happened to call her "babe" in his flirting. If I were you though, I'd play it safe and assume that the other guy is her boyfriend, and I'd just stay away from that whole thing. There are other girls in the world
/r/seduction22/02/18 01:39 AM
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To be honest, I'd say you might as well not fuck around with girls that already have boyfriends. In which case, I'd say "what time are you coming home today babe?" I'd love it if you could text that exact response and let me know how it goes. But in general, meet some other girls.
/r/seduction21/02/18 11:51 AM
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I don't play too many games anymore, but I totally agree with the gist of the post. Partly how I became so successful was by basically treating every interaction as a "game." I didn't need to win the game, but as long as I was able to play it, that counted as a success. I followed Mystery's original shit from the book, back in the day, and who'd'a thunk, it actually fuckin worked!! Nowadays, I just try to stay true to myself, but I still look at most interactions as a sort of "game" -- you don't…
/r/seduction21/02/18 11:19 AM
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Like the other guy said -- don't just try to meet girls for the sake of meeting other girls in the future. Say "hi" to random girls, and just be a friendly guy in general. Don't rely on some sort of "outcome" -- just fuckin say "hi" cuz that's what normal people do. If the convo stays at "Hi," that's fine. Maybe say "hi" again when you see them at the next class, or maybe get real crazy and say "how's it goin'?" This is literally how I met girls in college -- there was no sort of "seduction" to …
/r/seduction21/02/18 11:03 AM
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Yeah, blind dates are like the worst possible situation to have 2 people meet each other. I wouldn't even want to be on a blind "date" to meet some other guy, let alone a random girl I'm supposed to be attracted to. And I agree -- 9 times out of 10, when a female friend hooks you up with someone, it's probably one of her good friends who also happens to be ugly as sin, and then you feel bad for turning her down, even though it's not your fault at all, since you didn't get to choose in the first …
/r/seduction21/02/18 10:51 AM
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You're not only right, but this is probably one of the best comments I've ever seen about this topic. Just to add, though: OP, you can't just randomly ask your female friends about other women. What you're supposed to do is either meet some women (who become your friends) or already have some women who are willing to be a wingman for you. You literally have to ask them if they can help you get a girl. If you don't do that, then they won't be aware of the situation, and likely won't be of much he…
/r/seduction21/02/18 10:43 AM
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I'd say even one month (or hell, maybe a week, or less) is a better time to sort that out. If it's just a girl you've been fucking, and you know that she gets around too, then that's fine. But usually this sort of conversation happens earlier than 3 months (for me, anyway). It usually happens within the first month. And I'm always totally open to a long-term relationship if it's the right girl -- I'm currently in a 4-year relationship with a girl that I randomly met at the bar. With my current g…
/r/seduction21/02/18 10:28 AM
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Girls will still play "hard-to-get," just like I would advise the guy to do in a similar situation. It's a difficult concept, because it mostly applies to younger girls, and each different girl will have a different philosophy on text-etiquette. Rescheduling dates is an entirely different ballgame, IME, but in terms of texting itself, it's totally fine if a girl doesn't text me back within 12-24 hours of me texting her, especially if I just met her.
/r/seduction21/02/18 10:07 AM
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We've all experienced it. It's normal to feel that way. The first commenter basically said what I would say, and I'd also add that doing multiple "coffee-dates" in a row is a bad idea from the start, because you're not escalating the interaction. Like someone else said, you can start with a coffee thing, and see where it leads, and then next time, take her out for actual drinks. Or at least do something a bit more intimate (even a walk in the park can be more intimate, if you play it right). You…
/r/seduction21/02/18 10:01 AM
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As a former mod (and with whatever influence that may or may not have now), I wanna say that there's no fuckin reason to come up with a specific response to this specific line from a girl -- mostly because nobody will remember the line when they're actually in the situation. Nor have I ever heard a girl say that, personally (maybe I'm just a big, strong, man -- or maybe that's just one of those random lines you might hear in .01% of situations). My general response in this situation would be to …
/r/seduction21/02/18 08:41 AM
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Like ethical said, it's more about being playful/friendly/innocent, in that situation. My current girlfriend is twice my age, and I knew her exact age within minutes, because I asked -- but I was cool about it. I wasn't like "Wait... how old are you?" I was more like "Yeah, you're like 50, so blah blah blah... (into some joke I was leading into)". You always have to play to your audience, so if the girl doesn't seem like she'd be cool with it, that gives you 2 options -- either don't try it at a…
/r/seduction21/02/18 08:30 AM
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Late reply here, but his answer: "Probably the thing you want to work on the least", still totally applies to your situation. I broke my leg in high school, and at the time, I wasn't exactly popular/unpopular, but kinda in-between. But girls loved to sign my cast. And I would ask people (including girls) to help me with various tasks. A broken leg shouldn't be seen as a detriment at all. Whether you're using crutches or a wheelchair, you can still ask women to help you in various situations. And…
/r/seduction01/02/18 03:24 AM
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I was here during the beginning of it -- kicked out of college in a very relevant situation, actually. I won't expound on the details here, but it's not something I try to hide, or anything. The girl thought she might've been pregnant cuz her period came late, and her parents were devout Christians, so (in her mind) the best option was to accuse me of rape. Of course, the police didn't believe her version of events (because her version didn't match up with the actual timeline), so legally, I was…
/r/seduction25/12/17 07:01 AM
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How'd you meet your wife? Just as full disclosure, I was a mod of this sub for like 4 years -- I've seen the other dude's advice a million times, and I certainly disagree with part of it, and I agree with some of what you said. I wasn't trying to hate on your comment (I didn't even downvote it or anything), but I thought it was a weird response to his comment.
/r/seduction25/12/17 04:48 AM
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The best shorthand answer for this is to basically treat her the same way she would normally treat you. IMO the situation's much more complicated, but boiling it down, that's what it is.
/r/seduction24/12/17 09:13 AM
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I'm the exact same as you -- it's actually how I stumbled upon seddit back in the day. I get talkative and enthusiastic (almost like I'm geeked out), and then I'll make very well-received comments on seddit. Because I'm just relating random shit that's happened in life. Nowadays, I still have anxiety that gets cured by alcohol, but I also have real experiences while sober that remind me of how "talkative" I can be, and how "forward" I can be, etc. I'm still that same guy now, but I no longer nee…
/r/seduction24/12/17 09:01 AM
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They're telling him to post a video where he randomly walks up to a girl and interacts with her. IMO -- especially in this case, that would be a terrible idea. I really wish this sub was run the same way it was when I was here. We wouldn't delete this guy's posts, but we'd remove the shitty replies to it. The dude needs some help, obviously, and all these shitty replies should be removed. But who am I to say that?
/r/seduction24/12/17 08:46 AM
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He keeps saying that he was randomly "suspended" from a college campus -- but his comments are making me think that he did a bit more than simply asking out a girl at a college campus. He later basically says that he's been barred from the campus altogether, meaning he did something more egregious, I'd assume. I just read in a lower comment that he's practicing some of the PUA "drills." So now I feel kinda bad. He's trying to improve himself, and he's putting in more effort than 90% of the guys …
/r/seduction24/12/17 08:42 AM
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That guy sounds like a future serial killer, IMO. I've been accused of rape before (by a girl from college), but I also had the most sex at college, in general. So statistically, I guess it makes sense. Just to add: The girl who accused me was afraid that she got pregnant somehow, and her parents were very religious. The cops dropped the charges against me, cuz they knew I didn't do anything wrong.
/r/seduction24/12/17 08:35 AM
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You can totally "hit on" a woman first, but you then also need to be watching for her visual/physical responses simultaneously. If you can't do both at the same time, don't try to do it (until you have more experience with it). Just ease into it at first. My girlfriend is 25 years older than me, and I only met her cuz I randomly saw her across the bar and decided to "flirt" with her. I was technically "hitting on" her, but in a more playful manner. Turns out, she was with her daughter (who is 5 …
/r/seduction24/12/17 08:32 AM
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Your reply not only agrees with most of the shit the other commenter said, but then you somehow also manage to skew his comment and also disagree with it, at the same time. Your grammar also has a certain lack of finesse. So let me ask you: How did you meet your wife? And what led up to that point?
/r/seduction24/12/17 08:12 AM
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If that's exactly what happened, how exactly were you banned from working at the campus? Obviously the woman must've reported you. Or else, there's some other reason...?
/r/seduction24/12/17 08:07 AM
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Yeah, and it is a great philosophy to have, in general. But in a realistic sense, it's totally fine for you to tell her your feelings, and/or tell the guy your feelings too. It doesn't make you any less of an "alpha" to do so. I'd even argue that a "true" alpha would step in, in this situation, and tell the other guy to fuck off. Even Brad Pitt has been cheated on, and nobody on this fuckin subreddit is a more popular, richer, more sought-after guy than him, so it's kinda unrealistic to expect y…
/r/seduction24/12/17 05:59 AM
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100% agreed. The first comment is "alpha" as fuck, but in real life, shit gets a bit more complicated. If I know for a fact that a former fuckbuddy keeps texting my girlfriend trying to fuck, I'm gonna tell him to his face that if he keeps it up, I'm gonna do something about it. With my current girlfriend, there was this random guy who would randomly text her once in a while, but he never had any sort of relationship with her (sexual or otherwise). He happened to live right near the bar we were …
/r/seduction24/12/17 05:46 AM
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IMO, your mind forms a barrier between the 2 kinds of women (as you're obviously well-aware of). All you need to do is break down that barrier in your head. For me, what got rid of my social anxiety (that I had my whole life, and still technically have) was to just get drunk and approach multiple girls. The drunkenness led to a lowering of inhibitions, but I also didn't have any "goals," or any sort of attachment to the individual girl. Edit to mention -- you don't need to get drunk, it's just s…
/r/seduction24/12/17 05:27 AM
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Definitely -- even in real-life situations, guys have pulled me to the side and asked me how to handle a situation with some random girl. So I told them the best approach. Not once did it fail. Every single time, they at least made out with the chick -- not sure if they got laid, but that wasn't the point. Some probably got laid, and some probably only got a kiss. Either way, shit works.
/r/seduction17/09/15 07:35 AM
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People are shitting on you all over this thread. As a former mod, this is one of the best posts I've ever seen about online dating on seddit. A decent amount of cockiness will completely change your results, and you're doing the exact same shit I do in texts and in-person. Sure, you might sometimes sound like a dick, but if you're displaying confidence, you're at least giving yourself a better chance. Multiple repliers here have said that they don't think this approach would work very well -- no…
/r/seduction17/09/15 07:31 AM
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You're black and your neck is pretty big (generally means that you're muscular overall). I still gotta disagree with the other guys above me though. It's very rare to see some random black dude not have success simply because they were black. What's far more common is that the black dude tries to assume a certain "role" in the interaction (he's either the intimidating guy with the huge dick, or he's the nerdy/dorky guy). It still definitely depends on your area, but just judging by your comments…
/r/seduction02/09/15 08:14 AM
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This got a downvote, but it's the most important and correct post in this whole thread. "Intoxication" isn't a factor in any states whatsoever. Whereas "Incapacitation" is often mentioned in various laws. If she's stumbling over and doesn't really know what's going on, that's technically rape if you fuck her. If she's just buzzed/drunk, no state is gonna charge you at all unless other factors are involved (force, or feeding her drugs, shit like that)>
/r/seduction12/07/15 05:24 AM
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You technically shouldn't just because it's not a great idea (similar to driving after you drank a beer or 2). But it's perfectly legal in every state unless other factors are involved. Certain aspects of the media just like to fear-monger.
/r/seduction12/07/15 03:26 AM
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Late reply, but just trust me when I say that 99% of girls (especially the ones you find attractive) will hardly ever approach you. The girl I mentioned happened to live a few doors down from me when I moved into my grandma's house last year. She would basically walk over to my place and invite herself in (it's very hard to say "no" to someone who basically assumes you're gonna let her in). It was always incredibly awkward, for obvious reasons. I later moved into my own place across town, but I …
/r/seduction27/06/15 08:02 AM
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Yeah, I guess... Edit: Even currently, there's a girl with Down's Syndrome who approaches me whenever she sees me. It's not like random hot chicks are approaching me.
/r/seduction21/05/15 08:38 AM
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You've probably mostly heard random horror stories on reddit or whatever site. Real life is much different. Hell, if I was a blogger, I could recount like 100 interactions where a girl creepily approached me at a grocery store. But I'm not a blogger, and I don't really care when shit like that happens, so you'll never hear about it. 99.9% of the time, nobody automatically thinks it's creepy unless you've got Freddie Krueger gloves on, or you're drooling on yourself, or some crazy shit like that.…
/r/seduction21/05/15 12:38 AM
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Like u/the-who said, this is normal. It doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong, necessarily. Keep in mind, especially if she's hot/popular/whatever, this is just her standard way of conversing with people (and especially with guys). IMO this might be a situation where you should do the opposite -- don't ask a bunch of questions (or any questions at all); talk about your shit, and see how she responds. Asking questions is all about building "value," but it doesn't automatically make you more at…
/r/seduction21/05/15 12:26 AM
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I think if you ask someone like puaCurveBall or TofuTofu (or skype them, or something, just to make the convo more "real" to you), they'll say that it requires a complete mental overhaul. Obviously it's difficult. But it's what all three of us did at one point, IIRC. For me, it was going to college out-of-state: prior to my first day there, I already knew that these people were all strangers who had no idea who I was, no idea what type of person I was, etc. And that allowed me to sorta free my m…
/r/seduction07/04/15 07:02 PM
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What's even funnier to me is that she (relative to the average 25-year-old, at least) rarely even goes out in the first place, and supposedly describes those encounters as "raw sex." I understand the euphemism, but it doesn't seem to fit the rest of this description about the type of person she supposedly is. Like you said, she basically comes across as being socially awkward herself, so a guy like me probably wouldn't bother approaching her in the first place. And I certainly wouldn't do it if …
/r/seduction08/01/15 10:57 AM
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Serious. I just talk to people. And I used to be a huge introvert and really anti-social or whatever. But give me a drink, and/or some motivating advice, and/or a new life accomplishment, and/or just challenge me to do shit -- I'm gonna get shit done. It took me about 5 hours total before I was fucking my current girlfriend (flirted for a couple hours the first night I saw her, then kissed later and I brought her home). This shit is an art-form, and I learned from some of the best. My roommate s…
/r/seduction15/06/14 09:07 PM
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Late reply, but just wanted to add that yeah -- a thousand per year is basically 3 per day, and is also why I don't personally think of those situations as "approaches." Granted, there will be days where I don't go out at all and/or don't see anyone I'd like to fuck, but I gotta assume my average amount (per year) is like 15000, probably higher. I'm not really trying to fuck all those girls, but I'm certainly talking/bantering with them. Three per day is weak shit, especially if you're not getti…
/r/seduction15/06/14 07:38 PM
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That's kinda why I tell guys not to think of them as "approaches" in the first place. Just think of it as "talking to people."
/r/seduction14/06/14 10:28 PM
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Nah it works for me. My body language and the type of teasing/flirting I do makes it pretty clear.
/r/seduction14/06/14 10:26 PM
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I've literally never been in that situation though. Indirect doesn't mean "don't show interest." I flirt and fuck around all the time without being "direct." I can convey the exact same message without literally saying "Hey, btw, you're cute and I like you." The girl from Aurelio's already knows that I'd fuck her if I wasn't already dating someone. Even though I've never explicitly said anything about it. "Indirect" doesn't always mean "I hate this weather, don't you?"
/r/seduction14/06/14 05:26 PM
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I can fuck younger girls whenever I want, but my current girlfriend was sorta a regular at the bar who I'd noticed a few times, so I eventually talked to her. I'm not even a "milf" guy, but I had always been attracted to her regardless. She douches, so her pussy tastes like water. I'm dating her because we vibe well, not because she's a milf or has a clean-smelling pussy. She acts much younger than her age too, while I tend to act much older than mine, so it works. Either way, I'm probably break…
/r/seduction14/06/14 05:16 PM
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I think you're referring to the other guy's approach. I don't do daygame too often (I've had success with it, but only a couple SNLs and some numbers, really). I don't have any specific approach, but I'll often ask which team she's rooting for (when there's a game on at the bar), and then purposely root for the other team. Or in my girlfriend's case, she likes the Sox and I like the Cubs, so that was good for bantering. I'd say the main thing I do is I'll be sitting next to some girl already, an…
/r/seduction14/06/14 02:06 PM
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That's what I do. I almost always stay indirect until I make an actual move (I mean, I'm indirect probably 90% of the time, but then I get more playful/personal/sexual, and then I make a move). People -- especially PUAs and people on this sub -- tend to downplay "indirectness" as if it just doesn't work at all, but I think a lot of them define indirectness differently than how I'd define it. I define it as virtually anything that doesn't involve you saying "Hey, I think you're cute" or some shit…
/r/seduction14/06/14 01:27 PM
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You were downvoted, but I agree. Especially for guys who are being cautious and don't know what they're doing -- 99% of the time, they're already bailing too early. Hardly any of these guys (meaning most of the guys you teach, basically) is the type of guy who takes it too far. They're probably doing the opposite of that -- in which case, the "plowing" advice is something they need to hear.
/r/seduction14/06/14 01:21 PM
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I agree, but this is where calibration comes in (and by "calibration," I mean "unspecific-nebulous-action-that-doesn't-mean-anything"). Some of the best sex I've had (and relationships as well) only happened because the girl and I were fuckin arguing and "shit-testing" each other for a few hours beforehand. Like, really going at it, but as we're arguing, we get closer and closer to each other, and then we're suddenly making out. I understand your point (and kinda agree), but plowing has worked f…
/r/seduction14/06/14 01:18 PM
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I basically said this in another comment, but you kinda just have to make moves (don't ignore the vibe if it's bad, but also don't pay too much attention to it, if you know what I mean). Dive head-first into the pool, don't just wade in like a little bitch. Like sedditforthewin said (whose advice I basically agree with 99% in this thread), you mean nothing to her until shit gets a bit more personal. You're likely not even the first guy she's danced with tonight. And shit, for all you know, the o…
/r/seduction14/06/14 01:07 PM
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IMO, if you're dancing/grinding for longer than a minute without making out with her, that's where you fucked up. If she's already willing to be so close to you like that, she's also willing to kiss you if you go for it. Spin her around to grind front-to-front, and just pull her in for a kiss (usually you gotta make some "sexual" eye-contact first). Depends on the venue/vibe obviously, but that's what I usually do at bigger bars (and clubs) with a big dancefloor. Getting sex is a different ballg…
/r/seduction14/06/14 01:00 PM
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Your starting-point is the same shit that I do, so that's fine. Don't worry too much about physical contact (we treat it as gospel on this sub, because it will help, but it's not completely necessary in various situations). So instead of worrying about physical shit, focus more on making the conversation more personal/sexual if you can. That should at least lead to some sort of physical shit eventually (though if it doesn't happen within an hour or so, I'd say just bail and find someone else -- …
/r/seduction14/06/14 12:54 PM
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Plowing is more like... you go up and say hi, and she casually says "hey" without even really looking at you. So you continue by saying something more personal/relevant to her, and get her to continue the convo. Then she might shit-test you, either because she thinks you're obviously hitting on her and/or because she's rarely been in this situation before (where a guy randomly talks to her). It's not that she's uncomfortable with you, she's just uncomfortable with the general situation. The way …
/r/seduction14/06/14 12:50 PM
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For shy/stubborn girls especially -- there's basically no chance you'll hook up unless you "plow." Shy girls will be more uncomfortable in general, and stubborn/"bitchy" girls will shit-test you all night long if they want. Break through the initial shit-tests/discomfort, and they'll fuckin love you. These are also the same girls who you won't be able to win over by simply saying "Hey, I saw you and thought you were cute, blah blah blah." They don't do that shit, and they'll reject you right-off…
/r/seduction14/06/14 12:38 PM
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Like the other guy said, it's one thing to have high standards, but if you have high standards while simultaneously not getting much "practice," it's gonna be noticeable to most women (especially the ones you're likely going for). If you're having decent success with girls, then you're fine, but if not, you might wanna change it up a bit. When I was a manwhore in college, I had more success with the girls I really wanted, because I had so much "practice" with so many other girls. When you get to…
/r/seduction14/06/14 12:22 PM
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I gotta agree even though I still agree with some of these guys' opinions on it -- I wouldn't say 120 a month, but at least like 50 is an amount that's guaranteed to yield some long-term results. Anything less than that, a newbie will likely never "fully" learn how to handle approaching/rejection, and he's gonna reach a plateau where he's not really seeing any decent results. I've had a girlfriend for a few months now, but before her, I was approaching virtually every decent-looking girl at the …
/r/seduction14/06/14 10:42 AM
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Yep. Also just to add (late): I added certain terms that I found in other "seduction" glossaries, that I myself may not agree with. I tried to make mine a bit more "friendly" for beginners, but some of the terms were simply too well-known for me to ignore. "Spinning plates" might be on there, but it's not like I agree with the idea -- I just put it on there because it's fairly common within the community. Like you mentioned though, "k-close" is simply when the interaction ends with a kiss. Sayin…
/r/seduction08/05/14 05:58 PM
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As the creator of the glossary: we use acronyms and shorthand in much the same way they're used in every other subject. Math, science, philosophy -- everyone uses acronyms and shorthand in every subject, and if you can find any subject that doesn't, feel free to mention it. They simply make it easier for people in the same "field" or "community" to understand what someone else is talking about. It only sounds "shitty" in regard to seduction because it has an emotional impact on you, where you th…
/r/seduction01/05/14 08:51 PM
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I agree with blitzik. He seems pretty egotistical for the most part, but most of his advice is still decent regardless. I'd never willingly hang out with him one-on-one, but he generally knows what he's talking about.
/r/seduction10/03/14 10:40 AM
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I agree, for the most part. A lot depends on how he says things (and I didn't watch the video, so I dunno), but you could always just turn it back around on her (light-heartedly). Still though -- the general gist is that you need to put things into your frame of reference, kinda regardless of what she's saying. As long as everything circles back to your frame of reference, you basically control the convo.
/r/seduction10/03/14 10:36 AM
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You have to stop seeking validation from the kissing/sex/girls in general. That's why you're getting hung up, it's why you're "using" the sex as motivation to get with future women, and it's why you weren't "satisfied" with the other sex you've had. None of those things should be influencing your general mindset. You just have to appreciate yourself for who you are, and fuck everything else (literally and figuratively). It's hard to just do that, but it's what you need to do. Whether you change …
/r/seduction04/03/14 10:40 AM
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The general gist is that if you don't masturbate, your testosterone level will start to rise, and then reach its peak of about 150% on day 7. After day 7, your testosterone level goes back to normal, and I have no idea why anyone would take it further than 7 days. Even the science explicitly says that wouldn't help with anything. But I (and the seddit mods) generally agree that nofap is pretty much pointless. Like -- yeah, your testosterone level is 50% higher on day 7. Now go out and get laid! …
/r/seduction04/03/14 06:47 AM
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Might want to try some anti-anxiety meds along with the Adderrall, or switch out the Adderrall for something similar (like Vyvanse). They all affect different people differently (in terms of side-effects, I mean) -- if you go to your doctor and ask him to try something else, he can do that in 2 shakes of a lamb's tail. Adderall and Vyvanse are the main two, but I know there's some others as well. And if you already know all this, disregard my comment.
/r/seduction04/03/14 06:36 AM
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Nobody's removed it yet.
/r/seduction04/03/14 05:38 AM
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Yeah, kinda weird to see that as the top comment. I can understand if some people agree with it or whatever, but not the very top comment. When I have sex with a fuck buddy or in a one-night-stand, it's because I want to have sex, not because I'm deriving my sense of happiness/self-worth from it. Maybe that's where there's a miscommunication here: Nobody should be thinking that having some sex will have any sort of major impact on their lives (well, maybe a negative impact, depending...). I don'…
/r/seduction04/03/14 04:58 AM
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Generally if you're talking, you're gonna be making more eye contact, and when they're talking, you'll be looking away a bit more. I'd say about 75% when you're talking, and more like 50% when they're talking (depending on the situation, obviously -- if you want them to know you're listening intently, use more. Otherwise, use less). If you're just out on the street walking past someone, nobody really knows what the best "strategy" is (you'll have all kinds of semi-awkward situations, just forget…
/r/seduction04/03/14 04:33 AM
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It's really simplistic with misogynistic undertones. A lot of it could be reworded to get the point across without potentially fucking up a guy's perspective. He said you need to feel "superior" to the girl. Nah, you don't need to go around acting like people are beneath you. You'll get much more respect if you put them on the same level as you. You just need to make sure you value yourself highly -- you don't gotta value others less in order to do that. Some of the other points can be modified …
/r/seduction08/02/14 01:34 AM
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IMO no, the topics don't matter very much at all. Even if you get into some really "deep" shit, that's still "comfort." I think there can be some crossover, but unless you know exactly what you're doing, that's probably not happening unless you get lucky. Still though, the teasing and shit will still count as "attraction-building," so they kinda mesh with one-another.
/r/seduction30/01/14 07:42 PM
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Moreover, OP's talking about "active" listening, where if someone tells you they're a nurse or some shit, you follow up by asking about the job and/or making comments on it (have they seen someone die? are they comfortable with blood? do they like saving lives? There's all kinds of things you can follow up with, that will get them to talk even more about themselves, which is what most people prefer to do). You don't have to "remember" any of it (at least, you don't have to memorize it or anythin…
/r/seduction30/01/14 04:57 PM
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IMO, escalation is more important in the long run (I mean as opposed to just talking about some other topic). You can just keep talking about random shit, but if you do that, you at least need to be teasing her and/or creating some sexual tension somehow. You can't simply share stories and be "empathetic," because that's how friendships are formed -- and unless you're just looking for a friend, it's not gonna be very productive. From what I've seen, this is where most guys fail (introverts, extr…
/r/seduction30/01/14 04:52 PM
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Just to focus on one point: OP, unless your college only has like 300 kids in it and all those kids are in all your classes, then you're not "that guy" to the whole school. Most likely, you're "that guy" to like .01% of the school. And trust me dude, if you're just some "forgettable loser," nobody's going around to all their friends and telling stories about you (I know this sounds harsh, but it'd simply be a waste of their time -- there's thousands of "forgettable losers" at a college, and they…
/r/seduction30/01/14 04:36 PM
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In terms of actual "strategy": just make sure you immediately talk to the host when you enter the party (as soon as reasonably possible, at least), and unless he's a total stranger, play up the fact that he's an awesome guy who you appreciate a lot. Even if he is a stranger, basically do the same shit. He'll appreciate it, and at the very least, it ensures that you won't be automatically kicked out of the party. But focus on his interests, and agree with basically everything he/she says, and you…
/r/seduction22/01/14 08:41 PM
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If it's a guy, you basically just say "Hey, what's up man," and focus more on that guy specifically. Trust me, for most guys like that, you don't even need to lead the conversation (he'll do it for you). But if you do need to lead it, you just make a general statement about something situational -- like whichever team's winning the football game, or about how the bar sucks and/or is packed, or seriously any random shit like that. As long as you can start some sort of convo with the guy, it'll wi…
/r/seduction22/01/14 08:33 PM
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It's best to do it ASAP and as often as reasonably possible. Keep in mind, it's mostly referring to small, innocuous gestures, not like overbearing sexual shit. So like, a light touch on her arm when getting her attention or making a point, hugging her when you greet her instead of not touching her at all, things like that. I'd even say that simply closing the physical gap between you two also counts, and is more likely to lead to makeouts. The physical closeness also tends to create a sort of "…
/r/seduction21/01/14 03:27 PM
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Yeah, this is what a lot of guys don't automatically think about. It's happened to me before, though usually with girls who were clearly too young/immature for me to give a shit. It's simply a weird situation to be in, if you're a guy (especially when you're in situation where it's not expected at all). Granted, this also applies to girls, but not anywhere near as much -- it's just much more common for them (and "attention" is more common in general). Not only was I feeling uncomfortable in thos…
/r/seduction20/01/14 06:45 AM
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I think it's pretty cliche too (the first one at least), especially with certain girls. I'd instead just make sure our heads our getting closer together while we're talking, do a bunch of triangle-gazing, and as long as she's doing something similar, we'll both kinda naturally go in for the kiss at the same time. Don't even need to use a hand till we're already making out. The "shush" thing works well enough, but I probably wouldn't recommend it in most cases -- or at least, there's better optio…
/r/seduction20/01/14 06:30 AM
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I disagree in terms of principle, but I agree in terms of the fact that OP could easily just get with with some other girl instead of having to worry about that shit. OP's theoretically got about a million options right now. He doesn't need further validation from this one girl (unless he "reallly" likes her -- but if he's younger than like 27 without much experience, then he shouldn't put much stock into those feelings).
/r/seduction18/01/14 07:25 AM
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As a guy who's most recently fucked a 30-year-old, 34-year-old, and 39-year-old, the most I can say is that there really isn't much of a difference between an older girl and a younger girl. With older girls, you generally have to be more forward from the start, and once they're on the same page, it's like shooting fish in a barrell. If they're not on the same page, that can backfire on you, but all you need to do is play it off like you don't give a shit (because you shouldn't). I honestly would…
/r/seduction18/01/14 07:20 AM
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I'll bang pretty much anything, so I tend to use the 1/1 scale. Seriously though, I am a manwhore, and I don't think about girls in terms of the "scale" in the first place. Even more seriously, it shouldn't fuckin matter. Nobody cares how you rate a girl. Even in cases where you're describing some shit to some other guy, all you need to do is describe things in a way that he can associate with. Largely, though, it doesn't matter. Use a 1-10 scale, or a 0-1 scale, or a 3-82 scale. Nobody gives a …
/r/seduction18/01/14 07:09 AM
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This is a late, semi-unrelated reply, but IMO, a girl can be a "keeper" even if she doesn't measure up to your list (hell, I've dated girls who missed most of the things on my "list," but we still had great relationships. Most guys who've been in more than a few relationships probably know what I mean. It's got nothing to do with "standards" or anything like that -- I'm simply attracted to the person (physically, mentally, and emotionally) to the point where those things aren't a big deal in the…
/r/seduction18/01/14 06:58 AM
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I agree, but I think both should be taken equally "seriously" -- there's just different dynamics involved with each. I prefer night game because it's still where you're most likely to get laid within the next 0-6 hours, whereas with day game, that's highly unlikely in most cases, and 90% of cases involve simply getting the girl's number and then having to do more shit later on, which is no longer "day game" at all, and involves different dynamics. They each have their pros and cons, and it's def…
/r/seduction15/01/14 05:15 PM
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One thing: Depending on the venue, it's often the case that the girl simply won't be invested in much beyond the dancing/grinding itself. They'll often make out with you at least, but unless you really know what you're doing and already have the logistics worked out, they're usually gonna bail after the dancing. In most cases like that, I just accept it as an inevitable aspect of dancing at the club/bar. I don't blame myself in most cases, because I likely did nothing wrong. And shit like this t…
/r/seduction15/01/14 03:44 PM
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No, it's just that a lot of people in this thread don't seem to know that when we put "nice guy" in quotes, we're referring to a certain specific kind of person, not simply a guy who's nice. OP's entire post was spelling out the difference between the two -- I don't know how so many people can miss the point so entirely. "Nice guy" (with quotes) is a term that's been around for a while now. It's specifically referring to the type of guy about whom people often say "Oh, he's so nice." But if he's…
/r/seduction15/01/14 03:24 PM
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This is true but it's not what OP was talking about. We often put "nice" in quotes because we're referring to a specific sort of "niceness" that inherently implies certain "push-over" qualities. It's a common term on seddit and on reddit in general. OP actually explained the difference really well in his post (not explicitly, but he constantly implied the difference) -- I mean, it's kinda the whole point of the post that he's not simply talking about being a nice person. He's talking about being…
/r/seduction15/01/14 03:08 PM
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So does/did everyone. Life, uh, finds a way. Nor should you be thinking of it as a "check-mark." That kinda goes against my point. Let shit happen, and make shit happen -- and whatever stems from that, just fuckin roll with it.
/r/seduction14/01/14 04:02 AM
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More power to you. I'd go for sex ASAP regardless of how I feel about her, but that's your decision to make. In my opinion, you might as well get some sex out of it, even if it's pointless for many other reasons. There's simply much less of a chance for you to look back on it with a negative opinion (unless some weird shit happened, or something along those lines).
/r/seduction14/01/14 03:42 AM
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I know.
/r/seduction14/01/14 01:46 AM
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K first of all, you're not even a real dog. And I'm not sure how I got all that weed, but it certainly wasn't from you.
/r/seduction13/01/14 11:59 PM
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The things that stimulate anxiety are chemical in nature, guaranteed. Take some xanax and then try to tell me otherwise. I understand that it's still largely a psychological thing, but as someone who's generally overcome it, I tend to disagree. I take anti-depressants (that also function as anti-anxiety [I take Selexa (Citalopram) for anyone interested)], but I was already fucking plenty of girls before then. My "psychological" state was different, no doubt, but that also only supports the OP, i…
/r/seduction13/01/14 08:06 PM
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for some people, it is many times harder to ignore than for others. The answer, then, is that you need to try harder, instead of simply accepting the fact and going on for the rest of your life thinking of yourself as some sort of "forever-alone" type. The same applies to physical differences as well. It sucks that you're an Asian short person in America, where girls tend to prefer taller white guys. But unless you go through some major (and in most opinions, unnecessary) surgery, you're stuck i…
/r/seduction13/01/14 07:55 PM
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Like I said, depends where you're from. Either way though, I just say "hey guys" in most cases anyway. Even when I'm talking to a group of girls. They understand (just as much as I do) that I don't mean anything by it. They're not some weird internet SJWs who try to take offense at everything.
/r/seduction13/01/14 07:08 PM
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So here's a story from A to Z, you wanna get with me you gotta listen carefully, We got Em in the place who likes it in your face, We got G like MC who likes it on an Easy V doesn't come for free, she's a real lady, And as for me you'll see, Slam your body down and wind it all around Slam your body down and wind it all around. The song is about the fact that you have to make a good impression on the girl's friends, and it's also saying that if you like a specific friend, you're gonna have to ple…
/r/seduction13/01/14 06:10 PM
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Unless you're somewhere in the south where "ladies" is acceptable when referring to a group of women, it's better to just say "hey guys" or "hey girls," OR just "hey." It largely depends on your geographical region, though. I'd never say "hey ladies," unless I was doing it somewhat jokingly and knew they'd interpret it that way.
/r/seduction13/01/14 05:57 PM
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It's been around since the concept of "seduction." I've seen it in Casanova's memoirs (btw, google for those memoirs and read through some of that shit, because the guy definitely knew what he was talking about, and I think his advice is even more significant, considering the time period -- meaning, dude generally dealt with much more "prudent" girls). But this is also a basic piece of advice from Mystery, and most other PUAs. It's also much too simplistic -- you don't have to explicitly ask the…
/r/seduction13/01/14 05:53 PM
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I somewhat disagree with that notion (the biggest guy isn't necessarily the most "powerful" in terms of group dynamics), but the main reason is because you don't want any trouble with a guy who could kick your ass when you do/say something he doesn't like. If the smaller guy doesn't like it, that's often okay, because he probably won't physically threaten you, whereas the bigger guy can easily do that. If you get him "on your side," then you don't have to worry as much about a physical altercati…
/r/seduction13/01/14 05:40 PM
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Not just that. I often go to the guy/girl who seems to be the "leader" of the group, and simply make friends with them. Then I'm set when I try to do anything else. If I hit on the wrong girl, the "leader" of the group will already know that I had good intentions, and they'll usually keep everyone else in-check (and often they'll even argue in my favor, since I'm already considered "okay"). It's simply etiquette, at the heart of it. When you go to a party, you try to make friends with the host, …
/r/seduction13/01/14 05:34 PM
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For me, the more relationships I had, the more I realized that many girls can be very compatible with you. I can name probably 5 former girlfriends who, if they came up right now and asked, I wouldn't feel too bad about marrying. The marriage wouldn't be perfect or anything, but it'd be good. And "perfect" marriages are either extremely rare or nonexistent, depending on how you define "perfect." Simply the fact that they're rare should contradict the idea of soul-mates, IMO, though I understand …
/r/seduction13/01/14 05:21 PM
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IMO that mostly depends on your age, and on how often the girl herself responds and/or appreciates it (though it's generally impossible to tell exactly how much she appreciates it). In high school and maybe college in some cases, it's the norm to do that (like you kinda mentioned), but once you get a bit older, it becomes less common. I'd also just like to stress that it's not impossible for texting to "work," I just don't think it builds any actual attraction in and of itself. In which case, it…
/r/seduction13/01/14 04:56 PM
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This one is upvoted pretty high now (at the time I'm commenting, so 3 hours after you), and the higher-voted comments are all serious comments themselves, except the one. But even with that one, I doubt most people upvoted it for the joke, but for the sentiment it expresses. And I happen to agree with the sentiment (not that you should literally throw away your phone, but that for all intents and purposes, it'll probably be more of a help to you than it would would be to send a whole bunch of te…
/r/seduction13/01/14 04:43 PM
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Yep, the only real issue I had with your post (because the other 99% of it is stuff I've said myself before on numerous occasions) is that it can often be more helpful to "get on their level." If she uses improper grammar and a ton of smileys, it can often be beneficial for you to do something similar, since it builds a sense of familiarity. If she constantly sends texts, then she's obviously at least somewhat interested (or just weird, so nix that shit), so you can feel free to do something sim…
/r/seduction13/01/14 04:32 PM
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if you really want to play with her emotions like that Ideally, it's not about playing with her emotions -- it's about you being too busy to respond. You're at the gym, or in a meeting, or hanging out with other people, and simply not paying much attention to your phone. OR maybe you just don't give enough of a shit to immediately text back. Don't get me wrong -- I have no issues with someone who does it on purpose to play with emotions. I do it myself all the time, and I don't think there's any…
/r/seduction13/01/14 04:21 PM
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I'd recommend simply lowering your standards in order to achieve some success and get some more validation/motivation for the future, and then you can feel free to raise your standards back up.
/r/seduction13/01/14 03:44 PM
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It's simply an outdated notion (and likely solely perpetuated by media). I've seen far too many "soul-mates" who ended up not being soul-mates after a few years to not believe in romcom crap like that. I mean, I can't understand how anyone thinks that way (I get that it's a pleasing notion to have, but it has zero value beyond that vague platitude) when there's millions of counter-examples. Hell, if we include all failed relationships, there's billions of counter-examples (and that's only if we'…
/r/seduction13/01/14 03:42 PM
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I'd simply addend it with the fact that women are just as much a part of your life as anything else. You don't have to focus on getting women, but you shouldn't ignore it either. If you're trying to improve your overall self, then communication/flirting/dating/sex should be a part of that. Especially since ignoring those things will most often lead to worse problems. You can be jacked, successful, and very happy with your life, but if you still can't talk to women, those things will only get you…
/r/seduction13/01/14 03:31 PM
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Well sure, it just means you're more likely than others to give her the benefit of the doubt. Which is awesome, and IMO the best way to go about it. But many others don't see things that way -- including myself, sometimes. I don't want to make certain judgments about people, but if I only have a small amount of info to go by, it's kinda inevitable for me to question certain aspects of their character based on that info. Especially when it comes to the "dating game," and other situations where on…
/r/seduction08/01/14 06:12 PM
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Nah, it makes sense (to me at least) -- if you're talking to a super sexy girl, and she happens to mention that she's been single for like 3 years, you're naturally gonna assume there's something fishy about her (and you'd probably be right). Obviously you can just give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she merely enjoys being single, but you're still gonna have that thought in the back of your mind. Whereas when you have a girlfriend (even an ugly, crappy one), it shows that at least some…
/r/seduction08/01/14 04:56 PM
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Like HappyJerk said, it has to be your current situation (or really just your current state of mind, regardless of the actual situation).
/r/seduction08/01/14 04:46 PM
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Regardless of whether it's good or not, I disagree with him about that. Even when you're in a relationship, you can definitely have some convos that have sexual undertones. IMO it's more accurate to say that the sexual undertones are occurring more "naturally" -- you're not actively trying to create them. Just like how you're not actively trying to "seduce" the girl (because you're already taken). Subconsciously, this makes you act much more attractive than you would if you were single, and that…
/r/seduction08/01/14 04:42 PM
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Regardless, from what I've seen it's true that "traditional" dating is nowhere near as common as it used to be. And IME, it's simply a shitty way of doing things. And it's more difficult. And more time-consuming. And it wastes more money. IMO, it's only the "best" choice in a situation where you literally can't talk to the person for more than a couple minutes (though even then...). You can still "go on a date" with someone, but there's absolutely no need to phrase it that way, or to set it up t…
/r/seduction01/01/14 10:33 AM
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I agree, though I think his main point is that he doesn't frame the whole thing as a "date" in the first place. Like, you can still go to a nice restaurant, or to the movies, or bowling, or wherever you want -- just don't set the whole thing up as a "date," where there's certain inherent formalities. Just say "Let's go bowling," and then once you're actually bowling (and/or afterwards), that's when you escalate, and turn it into something "more."
/r/seduction01/01/14 10:27 AM
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I don't know if it's necessarily the "norm" yet, but if I were betting on it, I'd be more likely to bet that casual flings will lead to relationships, rather than casual "dates" leading to sex. People just don't realize how easy it is to go from sex to a relationship. It's so fuckin easy, because you've already had one of the most intimate experiences you could possibly have with each other. Doing it the opposite way is simply harder to do, no ifs ands or buts about it. It's what every "chump" h…
/r/seduction01/01/14 10:06 AM
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But that one avoidable problem is the "serious" thing. I come across as serious. Even just on a first date. Even if we don't talk about anything serious. I don't get it. No offense, but I think that's the whole point of the article. "Going on a date" is automatically more serious, because it's inherently more formal. Even "going out for some drinks" is more formal than just "hanging out," especially because of how you set up the situation and follow through on it. IMO, when a conversation gets t…
/r/seduction01/01/14 09:57 AM
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If I were you, I'd read it again. The whole book shows Daisy to be a total bitch, yet Gatsby still "loves" her. Every single thing he does is for her, even though the general conclusion is that she isn't worth it. The main premise of the book is that Gatsby wants to relive the past, even though that's not the best idea. When you read it from that perspective, every scene/argument/monologue will make more sense.
/r/seduction01/01/14 09:49 AM
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Well it's not like you're just grabbing her head and pulling it down to your crotch. Escalation means things get more and more intimate as you go along, eventually leading to a BJ (or sex, or whatever). It's not a one-step process, it's an escalating series of steps. And some people can make it happen in a shorter time-frame.
/r/seduction31/12/13 02:44 AM
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Just that things start getting sexual, usually by making some moves (like going for a kiss, being more touchy-feely, etc.). You escalate the intimacy.
/r/seduction31/12/13 02:33 AM
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Yep. To put it frankly, online dating is inherently "shallow," and you simply don't get the full range of experience that you'd get in-person. Plenty of guys (like TofuTofu) use dating sites, but only as a supplement to the shit they're already doing out in the real world. If that's how you're doing it, that's totally fine. But if you're using it because you're afraid of real-world shit, not only are you more likely to fail, but you're likely also missing out on a shitload of better experiences …
/r/seduction30/12/13 11:34 PM
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Classic dating intimidates both people involved, and it's unnecessarily "formal." I haven't asked anyone on a date in like 8 years (beyond girls I was already dating at the time). Edit: Also, even though I've only read the first page so far, I'd totally subscribe to that guy's newsletter. He knows exactly what he's talking about, and he's good at expressing his ideas.
/r/seduction30/12/13 11:21 PM
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That's just confirmation bias on their part. Because it's also true that if they don't really like a guy, they won't give it up as easy or as fast in that situation either. As the guy, you have absolutely zero way of knowing which category you fit into. So don't worry about shit like that. Edit: Also, "what took so long" is that you probably never escalated shit. Escalation would've solved all your problems, and it's also how the "assholes" can get their dicks sucked so quickly. They escalate, w…
/r/seduction30/12/13 11:19 PM
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Yep. And if you're a virgin, your first time's gonna be at least semi-decent regardless. Who gives a shit if the other person doesn't have a mind-blowing experience?
/r/seduction30/12/13 11:10 PM
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Like these guys have said, this isn't always true, so it shouldn't be generalized. And either way, the sex is probably gonna happen regardless, even if it's somewhat awkward for the other person. I've fucked plenty of virgins who I didn't realize were virgins at the time. It wasn't a big deal. Some were pretty lousy at sex, some were awesome. That said, plenty of "experienced" people are also lousy at sex. Experience can help you get better, but not if you never adapt. And in that sense, IMO the…
/r/seduction30/12/13 11:08 PM
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Going along with what ManInTheMirage said, it'd probably be better not to phrase that as a question (because the answer could easily be "Uh yeah, it's a problem," and then you're stuck). In these types of situations, IMO it's better to tell the truth, but phrase it in a way that makes you look good (ie: "I just haven't met the right person yet," or whatever).
/r/seduction30/12/13 11:03 PM
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It's all about self-validation. Get rich because being rich is awesome, in addition to the fact that it might help you attract women. Nothing wrong with that, but if your only motivation is attracting women, there's like a million other things you can do that are much easier than "getting rich." We're social animals, so the ego is tied to everything we do, even if just in some small, indirect way. And that's fine. Just realize that external validation is much less significant than self-validatio…
/r/seduction30/12/13 10:58 PM
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The thing is that sex itself is already a pretty emotionally-charged experience. That's why "players" often lie to girls about how they feel -- once they have sex, the girl wants to date all of a sudden. It's not impossible (it's not even very difficult) to have an emotional relationship develop into a sexual one, just don't ever be surprised when it doesn't work. In a thread yesterday, we were talking about how if you're acting like someone's friend, then they'll most likely only see you as a f…
/r/seduction30/12/13 04:49 AM
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I'm gonna go ahead and leave LoneWolf_Alpha's comments up for the sake of posterity (and since it's probably better for everyone to see what a jackass he is).
/r/seduction28/12/13 10:14 AM
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See Throwaway's other comments in this thread -- he basically lays it out for you. Though I don't fully agree with Mystery's "structure," the gist of it is that you have to get the person attracted to you before you start building comfort. You have to share some banter and shit before you start talking about life goals or whatever bullshit. If you start with too much comfort and not enough attraction, then you've basically just created a friendship, and unless you get lucky, you've pretty much j…
/r/seduction28/12/13 10:12 AM
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The cool thing is that it works like 99% of the time, because you're basically telling her that you could easily bail at any time. When something like that's a definite possibility, it tends to make people think twice. It's what I've said to basically every girl I've been with in the past few years (well, usually I just straight-up say I'm not really looking for a relationship, though I'll addend it with something like "But I do really like you, and want to keep seeing you").
/r/seduction28/12/13 09:59 AM
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That's why when we talk about this type of person, we put "nice guy" in quotes. Lots of guys who get laid are really nice guys -- there's nothing wrong with being a good person. "Nice guy" is in quotes because it's not simply talking about a guy who happens to be nice -- like others have said, it's a guy who thinks that being nice is what will help get him laid, and then (whether consciously or unconsciously) goes out and acts a certain way around women only because he thinks it'll help his chan…
/r/seduction28/12/13 09:45 AM
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No I mean that a girl will hardly ever slap you or sue you for something like that, even if you started it. That just doesn't really happen, unless you point to a handful of cases that got a ton of media attention because of how stupid and pointless they were. The guy who said he fucked 3 girls purely from that situation is probably exaggerating a bit, but I do similar shit all the time. I'm just a playful guy in general.
/r/seduction27/11/13 05:56 AM
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no is a bad answer, yes is worse. The best I've come up with is something along the lines 'You look like like the type of person who gets into trouble with a drink unsupervised. I'll give you a sip of mine" - that way you are sharing something - but its not great. I've simply been saying "Not a chance in Hell" for like the past 5 years now. It's no longer a "line" or anything -- I just truly will not buy some random girl a beer/shot unless some other circumstances are involved. That's all there …
/r/seduction27/11/13 05:48 AM
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Luckily shit like that hardly ever happens in real life. People just love to talk about it online for some reason.
/r/seduction27/11/13 05:39 AM
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Being direct simply won't work as well in certain situations. If this happened at a rowdy club at closing time, then it'd be fine to go all-in with something super direct. If it's at a mid-size bar at 10pm, you want to get some build-up first, before going all the way. Chances are, both you and the girl will still be there an hour later -- if nothing else fucks you up, logistics will.
/r/seduction27/11/13 05:37 AM
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Vaginas usually don't give you some sort of magical feeling compared to what your hand can do (don't get me wrong -- tight pussies can feel fuckin amazing). For the most part, what you experienced is basically par-for-the-course, in terms of the actual sensations your dick felt. Also depends on how she was moving (and how you were moving). When girls are on top of me, they always want to slide back and forth, but they don't realize that it does literally nothing for me. I either gotta tell em to…
/r/seduction27/11/13 05:30 AM
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It gets much more complicated than simple "mate fidelity" though. A common theory is that women will go for "bad boys" while still looking for someone else to "settle down with." It gets even more complicated than that even, but the point is that modern-day cheating wouldn't affect the basic premise at all.
/r/seduction27/11/13 05:01 AM
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I agree -- not to say I trust the daily mail or anything, but I'm in the 70/30 nature/nurture school of thought, and IMO "nature" can apply to a whole host of situations, such as this one. I mean, society still plays a big part in it, but I bet most societies have shown similar trends between men and women, so maybe a large part of it goes beyond simply cultural norms/beliefs.
/r/seduction27/11/13 04:58 AM
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I think I mentioned in a comment that people were talking about being "creeped out" by someone who said "hi" to them. That's an incorrect use of the term, no matter what the dude looked like. He wasn't being "creepy," and in fact, I'd argue that their use of the word was intentionally hyperbolic. They weren't actually creeped out by someone saying hi to them.
/r/seduction14/11/13 08:33 PM
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I talk to girls who either have boyfriends or overly-protective friends. Edit: For example -- at one party, I was making out with a girl on a balcony. When I went back inside to get more beer, the girl's friend got all pissy at me and straight-up told me to leave. I argued with her for a bit, but then just gave up (I was already at a party down the hall anyway). No creepiness there, just an overprotective bitch of a friend.
/r/seduction14/11/13 08:30 PM
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I agree with pretty much everything you've said here, but my main point was that some people are actually misusing the term, so they'll apply it whenever they want, even if it doesn't fit the description you just gave (where there's "an implied threat"). If the situation does fit your description, I wholly agree. If it doesn't though, then people are simply misusing the term. I wasn't talking about a specific example. I've been around the block a few times, and I've been kicked out of multiple p…
/r/seduction14/11/13 04:54 AM
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Just tell her you can't pay. Say it before going out anywhere. Or like bl1y said, find somewhere that's free/cheap. Also, IMO, traditional "dates" are fuckin retarded, especially in a college environment. Just invite her to your room, or to the caf, or to whatever place that costs no money but will still be a decent time. Don't call it a date, just have her come hang out. Then make some moves. Shit's like 1000x easier that way.
/r/seduction14/11/13 03:36 AM
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With the girl I'm kinda-sorta with right now, I simply told her the night before that she'd have to leave early in the morning. She was fine with that, so it was all good. Like these guys said, just be upfront with it, and then it won't come back to bite you in the ass (well, it still can, but you have a good justification for it if that happens).
/r/seduction14/11/13 03:32 AM
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To be honest, I'd treat them in basically the exact same way you treat your casual flings. At some point down this line, you're probably fucking it up by taking it too far in the opposite direction -- you care more, so you might be texting them more; or being more possessive in general; or wanting to hang out more, even if it might be inconvenient for them; or doing more bf/gf shit with them, when it might be too early for that for them, you know what I mean? Like tehichigo said, emotional attac…
/r/seduction14/11/13 03:27 AM
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The real trick for this scenario is to weed out the girls who seem to be looking for something more -- immediately try to find the ones who probably don't (last calls at bars are great for this). If you still want a "respectable" person to fuck, then you can still qualify them when you first start talking to them. Just be pretty upfront about it. Say "I'm not looking for a relationship right now" (which is what girls say to guys all the time, no matter how true/false it may be). Get a lot of kin…
/r/seduction14/11/13 03:08 AM
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I don't think so, really. I really do think some girls just love to throw the word around as if it means nothing at all. And I think the term does often get used in situations where it simply doesn't apply. "Creepy," the way I see it, is supposed to describe the actions of the guy as being socially unacceptable (or at least, that the majority of people would disapprove of). But (on reddit at least), I've seen it used in situations where a guy simply said "hi" to someone, and in situations where …
/r/seduction14/11/13 03:02 AM
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I'd just tease her and go as far as I could with that. But I'd keep it playful and hope (though, not really care that much) that it isn't "offending" her.
/r/seduction14/11/13 02:47 AM
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Experience helps with shit like that. If you previously made a similar joke that was great with like 50 other girls, the fact that one girl took it the wrong way probably says more about her than it does about you. I think the common consensus in the community is to go ahead and assume that the majority of "bad" things that happened were NOT your fault (though some things definitely were). Obviously you don't want to just completely ignore the things you did wrong, but confidence can be pretty p…
/r/seduction14/11/13 02:45 AM
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I definitely wouldn't. I was fucking girls by then, but a roommate introduced me to the book, and then I got more involved with the community after that.
/r/seduction23/10/13 03:22 AM
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You just have to play it right. Have a decent profile, and then message like 100 random girls from your school (or even your dorm, if they've already got that info available). Then maybe like 15 will message you back -- so you have a short, innocent convo, and then invite them to a party. Then some will show up, and you can choose who to fuck. OkCupid's a bit different -- shit's more random, and it's generally more "formal." You can't simply say "Well there's a party tonight at blah blah blah, i…
/r/seduction23/10/13 03:19 AM
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All of our AMAs get a decent amount of downvotes. Don't take it personally -- your post is still at 74%, which is decent.
/r/seduction23/10/13 02:56 AM
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I've used facebook before and it worked pretty well. Just message the girls who are close to you. I'd just search for random girls at my college, find some of the hotter/younger ones (back when I was a freshman), and tell them I'm just trying to meet people. I'd be super friendly, and then tell them about a party that was happening later. That was about it.
/r/seduction23/10/13 02:47 AM
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The main idea to take away from The Game is that it's still a story -- things are still exaggerated and dramatized. Owen Cook was undoubtedly pretty nerdy/shitty back in the day, but he's grown a lot in the past... 8 years or whatever. We all have.
/r/seduction23/10/13 02:37 AM
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Semi-adding to his point -- don't get attached to just one way of doing things. Don't always be looking for that next girlfriend, but also don't just be trying to get sex all the time. Mix it up.
/r/seduction23/10/13 02:34 AM
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Usually when we say they don't matter, what we really mean is that your confidence/affability/attitude can almost always override the looks factor, even if you're ugly as shit. Working out is perfectly fine, and I'd totally recommend it to anyone and everyone -- but IMO it's not directly tied to your success with women. It can certainly help you or hurt you in various situations, but for an overweight paraplegic (or, basically any guy who can't change the shape of his face no matter how buff he …
/r/seduction16/10/13 11:17 PM
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Only in most situations. Sometimes, you might actually be Brad Pitt.
/r/seduction15/10/13 01:40 AM
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Nah -- I mean, I like your definition (and it's more concise than mine), but I'd say PCF is more specific than that. I already updated the glossary, so you can check what I put, but I definitely wanted it to be more specific to the whole idea of a "prince charming" (and like, why it's such a flawed idea in the first place).
/r/seduction15/10/13 01:28 AM
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It's a "new" term I guess. I can add it to the glossary, but it'd take at least a few paragraphs to fully define it. I guess I can just say "This is when a girl hypothesizes about a certain situation, and imagines that someone like Brad Pitt is the person she's interacting with. Sure, it's "sexy" when Brad Pitt does it, but in most situations, you're probably not Brad Pitt, so her imaginary example probably won't apply to you in the same way." Something like that.
/r/seduction14/10/13 06:47 AM
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Usually when I say it, I'm not speaking directly to the person I say it to. I'm making sure other readers can see my comment, and can then change their initial opinion of your comment. The fact that you got a bunch of downvotes means that a bunch of people disagreed, and IMO, they're just completely mistaken about the nature of OP's post. To me, he doesn't sound like a dick at all, and moreover, actually sounds like a pretty good person who previously had some shallow beliefs. The comment above …
/r/seduction14/10/13 03:07 AM
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To be fair to the other commenter -- it's good advice in certain situations, but not in most. There will definitely be certain situations where the guy's such a douche that you just can't win him over. In those cases, you basically "reverse-cockblock" him, or you completely ignore him (hopefully causing him to lose his motivation for attacking you, and making him look pretty dumb if he continues), or you just bail because you don't want to deal with the drama. Edit: I should add -- ideally, you …
/r/seduction14/10/13 02:45 AM
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I agree with your point, but I still agree with Anaron that simply befriending the guy will probably lead to better results -- and like literally, isolate him so that you can talk to him some more, about whatever shit he enjoys. Take the focus off the girl, AND make him think you're just trying to meet people (which you are, but you're also trying to fuck that girl).
/r/seduction14/10/13 02:42 AM
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Yeah, that's a great situation to have. We used to do that in college all the time. Make sure our pregame party includes a decent number of hotter girls, then we all go out together, but then kinda split up once we're at the party. Then go back home to post-game, and everyone's free to bring their "dates" (then we'd just have a big "sleepover," where people would find beds -- or just the floor). And we'd try to help each other out, as a group. But yeah, it's good that you say that to guys. They …
/r/seduction14/10/13 02:39 AM
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Yep. Should've checked the comments before adding mine above. With the overly "masculine" guys, I usually try to partner up with them in bags/darts, and/or just buy them a drink. They'll love you after that.
/r/seduction14/10/13 02:31 AM
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The worst part is -- even if the girl does kinda like you, she'll still side with the friend 99% of the time. She doesn't know you, so you're more expendable than he is, even if he's a huge douche.
/r/seduction14/10/13 02:29 AM
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And the best way is almost always to just be friendly to the guy (even overly friendly -- hell, buy him a drink if you think it'll turn him onto your side. Or just chat with him about his interests, shit like that). Like you said, if he's still a dick at that point, then he's only making himself look bad, and usually making you look pretty good in comparison. Also, with total strangers, I usually start off with the vibe of "just wanting to make friends -- guys AND girls." So I'll be talking to b…
/r/seduction14/10/13 02:26 AM
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I think he's basically just saying that you need to do some risk/reward analysis, and see if you still want to go after the girl despite some potential consequences. If he says she has a boyfriend, is he telling the truth, or does it seem like he might just be "protecting" her from you? Maybe you should go talk to her to get some more reliable info. OR, if he's kinda a dick, maybe you can basically just ignore him (like he means less than nothing to you), and your confidence might make him back …
/r/seduction14/10/13 02:21 AM
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Yep. Thanks for the write-up. For those of you who tend to check the comments before the link -- this comment is all you really need to see. When I looked at your first couple sentences, I figured the article would mention things like "When you stretch your arms, your shirt rides up to show your abs." And that's basically exactly what this article is like. Stretching will look sexy for a guy with nice abs, but will look repulsive for a guy with a beer belly.
/r/seduction14/10/13 02:16 AM
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He should've added that men don't know what they want either. We think we do usually (as do women), but we often don't -- not really.
/r/seduction14/10/13 02:08 AM
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Yeah. Sorry about all those downvotes. I agree that OP didn't really make himself out to be a "tool" at all -- he just had a more shallow opinion of himself before, is now changing it AND makes a post for other guys like him to see. A "tool" wouldn't be making this type of post in the first place.
/r/seduction14/10/13 02:07 AM
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Ok.
/r/seduction14/10/13 12:10 AM
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To your last point, I'd say that applies to every other situation as well, not just bars. People have some pretty weird beliefs about what happens at bars, probably because they don't go to them very often (likely due to those same beliefs). My point was simply that you can have deeper conversations at bars, and for whatever level of "deep" conversation you're saying that doesn't apply to bars, ALSO doesn't apply to any other situation where strangers meet (unless you decide to take it in that d…
/r/seduction13/10/13 06:29 PM
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I have convos like that frequently though (deeper conversations, I mean), and it mostly happens at bars. Going out to smoke a cigarette is the best for that. We'll go out to smoke (or if she doesn't smoke, I'll still tell her to come outside with me so we can chat), and usually ask each other about our jobs and shit. Most of the time, she's a nurse or a teacher, which means she loves helping people, and/or loves kids (which is an easy inference to make), so we'll talk about that a bit. Then we'l…
/r/seduction13/10/13 05:42 PM
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Yeah -- just keep in mind: when a guy brings up a certain topic on reddit, and then asks girls to respond, most girls will likely start thinking of the worst experience they've ever had. That's cool and all, but unless you're that same random bum on the street who grabbed her boobs or some shit, she's probably not gonna have the same reaction to you, when you simply walk up and say "Hi." It's a completely different scenario. And like I said, some people will answer questions as if they're hypoth…
/r/seduction13/10/13 07:49 AM
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Yeah, agreed on both points. From the description, it almost sounds like OP's just "going through the motions." Like he hardly even enjoys it, and just kinda puts up with it. If he's already seeing things with that mentality, I'd bet any money that the girls he fucks are seeing things in the same way, a lot of the time. They're seeing an ONS as an ONS, because that's what he's doing. If he viewed things a bit differently, that would probably change the whole dynamic.
/r/seduction13/10/13 07:33 AM
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OKCupid's equally as superficial, if not more so. A lot of these top comments (and OP) just seem to be looking at things from a weird perspective. OP seems to think that when he meets some girl at a bar, he should just "run some lines" on her and then fuck her. But he doesn't have to do that, and I've never heard a PUA say you have to do that. Not even Mystery himself. If OP wants to make an emotional connection with someone, then he should do that. I was a total manwhore at the start of college…
/r/seduction13/10/13 07:28 AM
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Im tired of these posts putting everything in black and white. Me too -- I don't fault these guys for doing it, but it seems like they've only read The Game or something, and then they try to define their entire lives by it. First -- the whole point of The Game was that you shouldn't do that. Second -- I guess it's just natural that when someone first starts reading about this shit, he'll compartmentalize it, as if it's some sort of completely separate aspect of his life. So when he goes out to …
/r/seduction13/10/13 06:57 AM
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The seduction community has never really used "alpha" in the scientific way that's applied to other animals. I think I "defined" it in our glossary on the sidebar (if not, then I "defined" it somewhere else). IMO, for humans at least, anyone can be "alpha." And "alpha" just refers to how you carry yourself, how you conduct yourself, etc. It can mean that you're the center of your friend group, or whatever, but we're not literally referring to gorillas when we mention that term. Same with "beta."…
/r/seduction13/10/13 06:22 AM
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Exactly. Guys, feel free to go ahead and text her all the time. Go ahead. And, say whatever the fuck you want to say. No seriously, go ahead and do it. A few weeks from now, report back here, and let me know how it went. Wait, what's that? It didn't go so good? Hmm, maybe there's a reason for that. I mean -- sure, it's good to be "natural." But there's a reason why certain things tend to work a certain way. There's a reason why waiting to text back can often be beneficial for you (it's basically…
/r/seduction13/10/13 05:49 AM
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I think you have the wrong idea -- and I think most people do. It's not the "bar/party" scene that's fucked up, it's your idea of "dating" that's fucked up. Instead of going through the usual random bullshit when you meet a girl at the bar, start going into deeper shit -- emotional stuff that she cares a lot about (and talk about the same things yourself). It's not hard to make an emotional connection with someone. It just sounds like you're kinda purposely avoiding that sort of topic/theme/vibe…
/r/seduction13/10/13 05:37 AM
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Most reddit women are talking about hypothetical situations, and/or particularly shitty situations they've encountered (where some creep randomly says some shit). Going up and saying "Hi" to someone is perfectly fine, and happens every day. Also, "creepy" is in the eye of the beholder. It has no bearing on the person doing the approaching. Especially not when you're a stranger. For most of the girls I've fucked, that never would've happened if I hadn't gotten up the courage to randomly approach …
/r/seduction13/10/13 05:29 AM
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Brash honesty only works in certain situations (and usually you gotta be a certain type of person in order for it to be at all congruent). I agree with you when it comes to someone like Mystery, but there's all different "styles" out there. Wygant's advice basically centers around that "brash honesty" stuff. If I were being 100% honest, I'd walk up to the girl and just say "I want to fuck you." It's worked before, but it's not something I'd say in like 99.9% of situations. In other words, there'…
/r/seduction09/10/13 09:07 PM
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A shark's just a man in a shark's body. More like a manwhore though. He'll eat the fish, but then he'll also eat license plates, old shoes... take his advice with a grain of salt.
/r/seduction09/10/13 09:01 PM
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I read through it. It's not complicated or anything, it's just reiterating the fact that you have to treat the situation a bit differently. Going out on "dates" with a fuck-buddy is a huge no-no, unless you've known each other a long time (in which case you're friends-with-benefits, which is a bit different). I have a fuck buddy right now who seemed to actually want to date me in the beginning. She would text all the time, and tell me to call her if I wanted to talk about whatever random shit. I…
/r/seduction04/10/13 06:56 PM
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Seriously though, even when we're talking to someone else, our feet will naturally tend to point in the direction of whatever we're most interested in. So for girls, sometimes they'll have one foot facing a different direction, pointed toward a different guy/group that they're interested in. Just keep the idea in mind, and when you're talking to people and shit, you'll start noticing that you're doing it all the time.
/r/seduction04/10/13 06:43 PM
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IMO this is the main reason, while maybe OP's self-consciousness is a secondary reason. Given current gender roles, girls don't approach guys much in the first place, because they don't really have to, 99% of the time. Also, I dunno about anyone else here, but out of the times I've been approached, the large majority of the girls who approached me were unattractive. Even many of the hotter girls who approached me later turned out to be kinda weird/crazy. The other big reason is that most of us e…
/r/seduction04/10/13 06:33 PM
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Everyone kinda goes through it at some point (I know I did), where it's like you have "life" on one side, and "gaming" on the other. This sort of issue comes up a lot, and I always basically say the same thing -- don't even think of it as "gaming"; don't think of your approaches as "approaches"; don't think of k-closes as "k-closes," etc. Because when you start to think of things that way, where you're differentiating between these (really, insignificant) situations, you're gonna be looking at e…
/r/seduction03/10/13 03:24 AM
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There's no reason to think of "gaming" as some sort of separate endeavor from the rest of your life. When I walk around, and/or go to bars, and/or do whatever, I talk to people (including girls). Then maybe I flirt. Then maybe we hook up. If you're treating it as some sort of separate thing, you're gonna continue to see it that way, and it's gonna continue to pose a challenge, even if you become really sexy (or whatever it is you're trying to do). If you simply treat it as a part of life, like e…
/r/seduction03/10/13 01:06 AM
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Late reply here, but... yeah. For anyone who goes out regularly, this is the situation you'll deal with most often. Where some girl is shy/awkward, and basically ruins the whole experience for everyone. I've had three threesomes ruined by that, along with about 100 other awkward situations. If you can, try to build some comfort with that girl. Acknowledge the fact that it's a weird situation, and then build some more attraction (by making out with her, or whatever you can do at that point). 90% …
/r/seduction19/09/13 06:06 AM
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Just to be clear here -- the "mods" are simply the people who control a certain subreddit (I have control over /r/seduction, because I'm a mod). The ADMINS are the people who created/own the site itself. They have the final say when it comes to anything at all. They can remove subs/people just for the hell of it, if they want. OP was never banned from seddit, and you probably weren't either. You just got shadowbanned by the admins, presumably for making multiple posts featuring certain sites, wi…
/r/seduction19/09/13 05:23 AM
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Stop caring about what other people might think. Just focus on having a good time, and you'll probably have one. I know it's hard to develop that mindset, but you'll be SOL until you can do it. So make an effort. Make small-talk with whoever you can, then "graduate" and make small-talk with random people. Then go from there.
/r/seduction19/09/13 05:17 AM
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Situational remarks are basically 90% of what I do. And those same situational remarks can carry the whole conversation in most cases. It's easy as shit to do, once you start making the effort to do it.
/r/seduction19/09/13 05:14 AM
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All I can say is that I regularly go to bars without a clean shave, or clean clothes, and can still get with some girls. Especially at a bar (even a nice one), nobody's gonna care about that shit. Hell, I'm trying to grow a beard right now (even though it's patchy and looks shitty) just for the hell of it. Girls still like it -- or at least, they say they like it. Either way, don't prejudge the bar/club people just because you feel less comfortable in those situations. Many of us feel uncomforta…
/r/seduction18/09/13 10:08 PM
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To answer your last point: Also, I am familiar with creatine, but never used it. How reliant on lifting does one have to be to take advantage of creatine? It's just like protein (and it's found in meats, just like protein). You take in what you give out. The more work you do, the more it benefits you. Creatine "simply" adds more water to your muscle cells, which automatically will make them bigger, but will also help them transfer energy from ATP (or whatever the fuck it's called -- wikipedia wi…
/r/seduction18/09/13 09:44 PM
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To be honest, I find it hard to believe that you've put in enough effort to see some decent results. Maybe your metabolism is just extremely high -- in which case, you should have a doctor check for that shit, so he can show you what to do -- but in 99% of cases, the fact is that you think you're eating/exercising a lot, but in reality, you still aren't putting in as much work as some other guys are (in order to get big). What kind of supplement are you taking? Creatine will help grow those musc…
/r/seduction18/09/13 09:07 PM
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That's why that piece of advice (go out and talk to women) is the #1 thing mentioned here. Obviously it's harder for some than it is for others, or else they'd already be doing that. It's not like they've never considered it before. So, some people need training wheels; others need the right motivation; others need some background knowledge first; others need a better mindset; others need help with anxiety/mental issues, etc. Just like how you can't tell a depressed person to simply be less depr…
/r/seduction18/09/13 06:17 PM
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I think it also largely depends on the gym. At the YMCA I went to a while back, virtually everyone would talk to each other (at least a little bit). People would walk around and talk between sets, sometimes they were in groups of 3 or 4 (so they're generally more sociable), and the gym was a big area with a lot of traffic. I've been to other gyms where that wouldn't fly (any kind of interaction beyond "Can I use this machine?" would be heresy). Also depends on the type of workout you're doing. I…
/r/seduction18/09/13 05:49 PM
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Late reply: Yeah, all I did was I wore a "dressy" shirt that happened to have some pinkish/purple patterns going on. When I showed up at my friend's place, I met some girls who said they could do some makeup for me. So I went over to their place, and they added some eyeliner, blush, and shit like that. I ended up fucking a completely different girl, but still -- I flirted with some girls left and right, and made out with a few that night. The girl I ended up fucking was someone I already knew, b…
/r/seduction13/09/13 07:20 PM
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One thing I'd modify about this (not that it's bad or anything -- it's just not how I roll): when you bring things out into the open like that, it can often be too much pressure for the girl, even to the point where she might deny you (despite liking you). It's a bold move, no doubt, but it can also be really jarring, especially if you've never escalated with her before -- and sometimes, she might not even "like" you in that way, and you just misinterpreted the "signals." So instead, I just esca…
/r/seduction11/09/13 01:37 PM
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It depends on how you define "canned." If I use the same situational opener multiple times because it happened to work the first time, it'll become "canned," in a sense, because now it's pretty automatic. But there are definitely some guys who were never involved with "canned" stuff -- David Wygant comes to mind. Granted, some of his material will involve examples of "canned" responses to various situations, but in terms of opening, he just walks up and opens the person. He'll talk about specifi…
/r/seduction06/09/13 02:04 PM
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Sure, I'm just thinking of how I would've dealt with it. It doesn't really matter either way, but my first choice would be to steal a flower and then make some banter with her. That's just how I am though.
/r/seduction05/09/13 07:20 AM
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The point of it is to basically say what her social status was, and to show how "difficult" it was to get with her. Most guys here misuse it as purely a "looks" thing, but it's meant to show a difference between different interactions. Back in the day, guys like Mystery and Style would post about their interactions constantly, and it kinda helped to know whether they were dealing with a Playboy model or a crackwhore. Even if the crackwhore looks amazing, she's still not a 9 (or an 8, or probably…
/r/seduction05/09/13 07:05 AM
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Hard to say, in that situation. If he already got the number, then it probably doesn't hurt much to buy the flower. Then again, if you're paying her, and you gotta grab some money out of your wallet, it'll probably become just another transaction from her perspective. For me personally, I'd never (ever ever) buy the flower in that situation. Shit, I'd probably steal a flower in that situation, then maybe give it back to her if she asks nicely. It just creates more opportunities for banter -- plu…
/r/seduction05/09/13 06:35 AM
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Go to youtube and find videos of Gambler (or Juggler, I forget which guy it was). He's got a video where he shows himself talking to a girl about some random shit, but then casually puts his arm around her, etc. It wasn't an actual in-field video -- it was just a demonstration -- but still, that's basically what I do. It's not really about "creativity," IMO. But I guess it's pretty "creative" to kino a girl in a situation where it's not really expected. Like when I go to this one bar, I always t…
/r/seduction05/09/13 06:11 AM
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There's never a need to be an asshole. Like these guys said, just escalate (physically). You can be the most flamboyantly gay guy in the world, but if you're physically escalating, you'll get some good results (I did that for Halloween one year -- dressed a bit flamboyantly, acted "gay," then was just touchy-feely with everyone, and girls loved it).
/r/seduction05/09/13 06:00 AM
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That's not the best approach. You shouldn't need someone else to make you "forget" her. You need some self-validation and some self-confidence. Otherwise, you're just replacing one girl with another, and I can guarantee you'll suffer the same shit with that other girl. Edit: Granted, I'm not the authority on this either, because I still have some feelings for previous girlfriends. Still though, it's much less of an issue for me now, and I'm not thinking about "finding somebody else." That though…
/r/seduction05/09/13 05:49 AM
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Direct openers are best for daygame. At a bar, a line like OP's would sound pretty fuckin weird. I mean, there's a chance this girl could be having sex with you later, so why would you open with something so... juvenile (no offense OP, that's just the best word I could think of)? More importantly, what the fuck do you expect her to say after a line like that? Is she supposed to say "Oh awesome! Yeah, I'm really looking for some sex, and you're extremely attractive to me, so let's go fuck!" Nah, …
/r/seduction05/09/13 05:08 AM
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Totes magotes
/r/seduction05/09/13 02:26 AM
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I'm not him -- but for me, I had to switch schools due to a personal issue, and my aunt suggested that I see a therapist. At first I said "No way, fuck that," but my therapist happened to be a really cool guy who had basically been in my exact same position before. So yeah -- you can go see a therapist for any reason at all, or even for NO reason at all. Or if you're having some legit issue that's bothering you, even better. BUT, it helps to have a therapist you actually like -- not some random …
/r/seduction05/09/13 02:18 AM
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Well, yeah -- if you admit yourself that you were attracted to her, then there you go. We can't really make that judgment for you. It seems like she responded pretty coldly to your offer, which is her fault -- not yours. You might have a crush on her or something, but it'll pass. Keep doing that same shit -- except next time, don't act like you're in a position where you can't control the outcome. Even if you can't, just act confident about it, and your next partner will follow your vibe. She wo…
/r/seduction29/08/13 07:43 AM
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I guess it just depends on how you're lifting. Like when I was getting big big, I would take huge breaks between each set, where I did some cardio, rested a bit, drank more water, stretched, etc. Then like 10 minutes later I'd go back and do another set, with more weight this time. When you're doing it like that, you can lift a lot more weight for each set, and IMO that's the easiest way to get big. And I kinda got lucky, because I had a powerlifting class in high school, and my lifting partner …
/r/seduction29/08/13 05:17 AM
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No problem. I feel like for most people, it's simply much easier to judge ourselves based on our perceived limitations. Like, sometimes, depending on the situation, we might try really hard to achieve certain things -- but for the most part, most of us are content with the thought of "Yeah, I once tried that, and it sucked, so here I am. I don't have to try it again or anything." Everything's "safer" that way. Like for public speaking (and I'm a shitty public speaker, so don't think I'm saying t…
/r/seduction29/08/13 05:03 AM
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Maybe watch it with the coffee and just get some simple sugars/creatine instead (or you can google the best current supplements, and find one that sounds good -- pre-workout especially). I drink a ton of caffeine already, but I generally don't like it before a workout (unless it's part of the supplement I mentioned) -- it can give you energy, but it's got various other side-effects that aren't too great (it dehydrates you, might make you wanna shit, speeds up your nervous system -- and I think m…
/r/seduction29/08/13 04:33 AM
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For bars and clubs, it really just depends on who you happen to talk to (though I know some venues will tend to attract certain kinds of people). When I'm at a big bar with 100s of people, I look around and try to find some girls who seem more openly friendly, but also more relatable. Like, not that super hot girl who's dancing all over the place, but maybe one of her friends who's playfully mocking her for it. That type of person. And you can find people like that at pretty much any venue that …
/r/seduction29/08/13 04:26 AM
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Not really. It's just about how well you "mesh" with a person, which is gonna be different in every situation. One thing would be calibration -- but that's not a great answer, because calibration just means you read their body language, listen to how they speak (and what they talk about), and basically match your responses to theirs. Like, I like to tease people a lot (and sometimes I take it too far). With a girl who seems to respond poorly to it, I'll tone it down. With a girl who loves it, I'…
/r/seduction29/08/13 03:56 AM
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At 190, you should start deadlifting more than that (even for 3 sets of 5). Each set should be nearly impossible to finish, and you should be adding a bit more weight for each. If you need to cheat, that's perfectly fine. You're trying to get stronger, not trying to impress the judges. The main thing that helped me initially was creatine. I bought a small tub of creatine capsules and started taking some before workouts, then eating a shitload of protein afterward (and a bit more creatine, I thin…
/r/seduction29/08/13 03:29 AM
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Late reply here: for me, I only care about the general vibe (which can mean anything, but for me it just means that things are going well). If the vibe's good, I'm good. If it's bad, I should either try to make it better, or just bail. I don't worry about IOIs -- and my brain will be subconsciously noticing them anyway (which is how I'm able to tell that the vibe's good).
/r/seduction29/08/13 02:42 AM
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Yeah, that's the point. It's an IOD -- an Indicator of Disinterest. Generally, you want to make really good eye contact. But when you already know how that works, you can also purposely look away if you want. Or just mix it up and do a bit of both. When it's done right, it makes the girl try to grab your attention more. I do it all the time if I'm next to a girl -- instead of always having my head turned to look at her, I only look straight at her when she says something that really grabs my att…
/r/seduction29/08/13 02:35 AM
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Yeah. It's definitely possible, but most of us don't have the memory capacity to do that. All I do is try to get a good vibe going. Anything else is basically irrelevant. "Advanced" body language is when you notice her eyes move in a certain direction when she answers a question. That's what this guy talked about in his book -- it was part of the interrogation strategy. Most normal people won't be required to look at shit like that, nor should they -- especially since it's a less-formal situatio…
/r/seduction28/08/13 08:14 PM
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Mainly just because a former FBI agent came out with a book talking about how these things tend to happen in clusters -- and the book is spot-on. I forget the name, but you can probably google "FBI body language" or something like that. I think the book came out a while ago, but it was only pretty recently that people started looking at it as a good source of info. And you can probably attest to this. Just because a girl flips her hair while talking to you does NOT mean she's attracted to you. T…
/r/seduction28/08/13 07:43 PM
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Yeah, that's the basic idea. You got 2 downvotes for no reason, which is stupid.
/r/seduction28/08/13 05:16 PM
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I don't meditate, but the idea is that you focus on the present, and the self, in any situation. It'd be hard to do that shit in the middle of a mall -- which might be why your therapist suggested it -- but doing it at home can at least introduce you to the concept (so once you're comfortable with it, you can then go do it at a mall). It's the same with pretty much everything -- if you don't really know how to flirt with girls, you can start by making small-talk with the cashier at the store. Fr…
/r/seduction28/08/13 05:15 PM
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Yeah, and that happens to everyone (though some people pay less attention to it than others). I've always been a more anxious, "shy" person (though now I'm a bit different). So yeah, I still lay in bed most nights remembering those bad experiences, and there's nothing wrong with that -- I mean, it's probably not too healthy for your mentality, but everyone does it to some extent. All you need to do though is refocus your mentality when you're in that moment -- who cares how you might feel about …
/r/seduction28/08/13 05:01 PM
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Sure, we all do that. But at least in the moment, you can try to rethink it and take a different approach. I'm clumsy sometimes. Back when I was a kid/teen, any time I tripped on the sidewalk I always thought it was a huge deal that everyone saw and secretly mocked me for. Nowadays when I trip on the sidewalk, I either completely ignore it as if nothing happened, or I specifically look back at that part of the sidewalk and say something like "Fuck you!" And sure enough, since my whole mentality …
/r/seduction28/08/13 04:50 PM
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IOIs are various actions that show interest, and IODs are various actions that show disinterest. They're still really popular in the community, but a lot of guys have started moving away from them (often for good reason). An IOI is something like when a girl laughs at your joke (especially if it's a shitty joke). It automatically shows that she's comfortable with you, it shows that you can make her laugh, and it might show that she's at least somewhat interested in you. But don't ever think a si…
/r/seduction28/08/13 04:24 PM
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It's the implication!
/r/seduction27/08/13 03:39 AM
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Nah. When people go away for college, the college aspect is already a huge decision. It's how me and one of my girlfriends split apart. Shit happens. OP should want his ex to be happy, not be constantly pining for her. There's that constant movie quote where someone says "Well she'd be happiest with me!" Probably not. She wanted to pursue other things in the first place, and hopefully found another person she could be happy with in the same way. If you met in high school, then it's most likely s…
/r/seduction27/08/13 03:32 AM
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I'd literally sit down next to them, make some casual small-talk like it's not a big deal, then invite them to a party (or to play some volleyball, or whatever -- usually something that would involve a big group of people in general). Some of them will think it's weird, some won't, but usually your casual small-talk will show them you're a normal guy. If they're studying hard, I wouldn't bother them (though I still might sit near them and make some small-talk). If they're sitting at a smaller ci…
/r/seduction26/08/13 01:30 PM
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I've heard about them from a few people. It really just depends on how much work you put into it. Some places are pretty expensive, but the big companies are usually pretty decent. If you don't try to make many changes, you'll have a shitty experience. If you do try, you'll generally have a good experience, and probably some success with girls. I'd say it's mostly for beginners though (and for rich people). If you're not desperate, then it's probably not worth the money. They basically do some s…
/r/seduction23/08/13 04:52 PM
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Yeah, I agree. The scale's supposed to be based on a shitload of different factors, not just how hot the girl is. If she's hot but also grabbing your dick as soon as you meet her, that changes the whole situation, and she shouldn't get a high "rating" for that.
/r/seduction23/08/13 03:42 PM
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I never actually took a bootcamp. I've just googled the prices before.
/r/seduction23/08/13 01:30 PM
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Just be friendly, and try to get to know people. If that's how you approach it from the start, nobody's gonna care. Do the same with guys and girls. You'll see how it works.
/r/seduction23/08/13 05:34 AM
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The initial knock will be considered "creepy" by anyone. Once they actually open the door though, then shit changes.
/r/seduction23/08/13 05:21 AM
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No, knocking in the first place will be viewed as creepy. Instead, you say something like "Hey, we're trying to get a team for volleyball together." Or you say "Hey, my friend's beating my ass in Mario Kart. Can one of you try to play against him?" When I was a freshmen, I just went around inviting girls to volleyball games, and we'd often get about 20 people. Then I'd fuck some of them afterward. You can do the same, regardless of your school. Edit: I should mention -- I sucked at volleyball. B…
/r/seduction23/08/13 05:12 AM
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When I was a pledge, I handed out some of those flyers. To OP -- just go to the cafeterias and talk to people. Randomly. They probably won't mind, and if you seem okay, you'll probably get invited to shit. If you're too old to go to cafs at this point, you can still walk around and randomly meet people. That's what I did for pretty much all of my college career. You gotta be talkative though. You can't just half-ass it and expect people to talk to you. Edit for OP: I guess I got lucky, because I…
/r/seduction23/08/13 04:52 AM
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Talk about anything. To me, what's more meaningful will be your body language -- and in a random convo about random shit, your body language will be even more important. I personally don't "pick a topic," or anything like that. I just talk about whatever we're already talking about.
/r/seduction23/08/13 03:11 AM
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I'm not positive, but I'm starting to think blizzardice was just joking.
/r/seduction23/08/13 03:08 AM
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I think for RSD it's like 1000-3000 bucks. It's expensive. But any bootcamp like that will be pretty expensive. You go to some seminars and then also have a guy teaching you -- if the guy teaching him was Brad Branson, then shit's gonna be expensive. You can google the prices. That's all I did. Bootcamps like that will all be pretty expensive.
/r/seduction23/08/13 03:06 AM
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Well obviously. OP's looking for other things to talk about.
/r/seduction23/08/13 02:59 AM
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Yeah, it is. This is also why I don't go on "dates" in the first place. Everything's so "formal." I hate that shit. I'll kiss you when I feel like kissing you, not at some preconceived time where it's "allowable."
/r/seduction22/08/13 01:47 PM
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It's usually based on looks because the "scale" idea was borrowed from society -- we already have a "looks" scale (usually from 1 to 10). Girls have it too. Unfortunately, many people here tend to think we use that same scale, since the numbers are the same. We don't though -- like ThrowawayPUA said, our scale is supposed to be based on a mix of factors. If you value her highly, and she values herself highly, then she gets a higher number on the scale. Jessica Alba after a serious injury where s…
/r/seduction22/08/13 01:03 PM
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Better: Universally-Portable Cunt Uptake Neurology Transmitter. UPCUNT (or simply UCUNT) for short.
/r/seduction21/08/13 04:05 AM
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Definitely. It's weird as shit. And I think that's why most of the mods here (including me) don't subscribe to that whole idea. Most PUAs don't either. The common advice is: If you're "looking for a girlfriend," you need to fuck some random girls. And it's because of exactly what you said. How the hell will I know if the girl's "girlfriend-material" before I've actually been with her for a bit? Shit never works that way. That's actually the opposite of how shit works. Like if a girl tells me she…
/r/seduction21/08/13 03:21 AM
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It's a gradual thing, for the most part. It's just about changing your mindset to the point where you stop focusing on it. You might have a "Eureka!" moment, where everything changes, or it might take some more positive experiences. It'll always be a factor, no doubt, but the issue is that you're focusing on something that can't really be fixed. Similar to an actress who gets a bunch of cosmetic surgery. Name even 5 actresses who looked better after getting a nose job, or after getting more coll…
/r/seduction20/08/13 08:55 PM
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Hijacking here. OP, what did you honestly expect to see here? I personally don't use pet names like that very often (they're fuckin stupid), but if I do give a nickname to a girl, it'll be specific to her appearance/personality/name. If you want to tease her, then yeah, it's best to give her a sarcastic (but also playful) nickname. I do that sometimes. I don't like to call girls "babe" or anything like that, because it's so... cliched. And it sounds lame unless you've been together for a while a…
/r/seduction20/08/13 08:17 PM
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At least you have a license!
/r/seduction20/08/13 07:57 PM
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No, I get you. We shouldn't argue about it, because it's interpreted weirdly in the first place.
/r/seduction20/08/13 07:51 PM
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I won't bullshit with you here -- first off, I understand that height can be an issue, and in some cases, I completely agree. Also though, I think it's not an issue in other cases (at least, not a dealbreaker). And I think what's happening is that you've had some experiences where it was an issue, and since you're already insecure about it, you're assuming it's a huge factor in general. The girl I fucked on Friday was 35 and taller than me. I've had a few girlfriends who were taller than me. Wha…
/r/seduction20/08/13 07:43 PM
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Yeah, that was kinda my point though. You can be accused (and sometimes charged) with assault, even for some innocuous gesture. If the girl doesn't want it (like in the extreme example I mentioned) -- that's still "battery," but the context makes it a different situation. From what I've seen, assault is still the threat. Whether it's apprehended is a separate issue. If I tell you right now "I'm gonna kill you," that can still be interpreted as assault right now, even in an online comment (and pl…
/r/seduction20/08/13 07:25 PM
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I was just quoting Dumb and Dumber. I feel you, I just don't know how you plan on dealing with the height issue unless you wanna start wearing platform shoes or something. The height's never gonna change, so deal with the shit you can control.
/r/seduction20/08/13 05:58 PM
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Oh well pardon me, Mr. Perfect! I guess I forgot that you never ever make a mistake! Seriously though, we all deal with shit. If you notice, I wasn't really complaining about it, just mentioning it. It's not a small-dick-measuring contest or anything. When it defines your entire being like that, that's probably where the problem stems from -- not from the height itself, but from your self-consciousness. You won't be able to fix your height, so try to deal with the self-esteem issues instead.
/r/seduction20/08/13 05:00 PM
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No. Technically it's assault and battery. Assault just refers to the threat. Battery refers to the actual act, assuming it harms another person. Did my roommate ever get charged with anything? No, because nobody ever pressed charges in the first place. There's a lot of things that would be considered "assault," including me responding to your comment (depending on the definition of "assault"), but nobody cares, since you won't press charges (or if you tried to, no jurisdiction would care). When …
/r/seduction20/08/13 09:48 AM
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It's what a lot of actors already do, but for me, it's not even like I'm trying to be a different person, per se. I'm still basically being myself -- it's just that in this case, I'm not the one getting rejected or anything. The character's the one who has to deal with that shit, not me. IMO, it's not a "frame" you're supposed to maintain. It's just supposed to be something that let's you experience things from a different perspective for a bit. Once you've experienced those things from a differ…
/r/seduction20/08/13 05:04 AM
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Oh, yeah, I was just referring to the posts themselves -- didn't really look at the comments. But even that first guy's comment -- notice how he says it's interpreted as being humorous? He was never being serious when delivering the line, whereas when we're talking about cheesy openers, the assumption is that the guy's being serious. That guy was being intentionally humorous, which changes the whole vibe. I can't think of a great example, but there was a time where the very first thing I said to…
/r/seduction20/08/13 04:47 AM
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Yeah, for shit like that, it really depends on the situation. In your example, you were introducing another guy (while being a wingman, too). The major point of the advice here is that "Hi" can work just as well as any other "opener." You still have to follow it up with more conversation though. Like you just kinda agreed with though -- the cheesy Simple Pickup openers can definitely work in various situations, and that's also why people here will often say "don't knock it till you've tried it" …
/r/seduction20/08/13 04:39 AM
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I would hope we're seeing less of this over time. I've been noticing less and less of it. Your first example is where the OP goes up and says he thinks a girl is really gorgeous. IMO that can be cheesy (maybe even in most cases), but if it's what he legitimately thinks, then it's just a direct opener, not simply a "line" being delivered. For a direct opener like that, I don't think you can really put that in the same group as a cheesy "line," because the intent's different, the delivery's hopefu…
/r/seduction20/08/13 04:24 AM
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To add even more (I'm drunk, just roll with it), I always go back to that original advice you've probably heard before -- act like the girl. Act like the girl in those situations. When you're talking to a girl like that, how does she usually act? Pretty nonchalant, right? And even if she's "flirting," you can't really tell how she feels? Just copy that. If you can establish that sort of tone before she does, then she's naturally gonna play the opposite role in the interaction. So instead of you …
/r/seduction20/08/13 03:55 AM
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Uncomfortable silences are the best because she usually feels the exact same way you do. She's not thinking you're weird (hopefully), she's just thinking the silence is weird, so she's in the exact same position you're in. So usually in that case, I just embrace the silence, and let it happen. It'll show in your body language, and she'll try to break the silence (because in her mind, she's the one who fucked up). Sometimes I'll even give her an expectant look, like "Are you gonna say anything...…
/r/seduction20/08/13 03:16 AM
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For the posture thing -- first off, I basically did the same shit, and still do. I have to consciously think about it most of the time. Eventually, it'll start feeling more natural. What might also help, though, is to just think of yourself as a different person -- like the billionaire CEO of a Fortune 500 company. Try to adopt a bit of his mindset, and you'll also find yourself adopting his posture. For the last question -- if you're moving in soon, fuck dude, I'd just go around knocking on ran…
/r/seduction20/08/13 02:19 AM
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I'm not sure why you're reading so much into it. Sounds like a totally normal response to me. Hell, it's basically a good response, compared to whatever else could've happened. You said you had to run, and she said okay. Text her again tomorrow and see if you can get together.
/r/seduction20/08/13 02:11 AM
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For me, the specific topics don't matter, but I like to tease girls as often as possible (usually in a light-hearted way -- like tease her about her job or whatever). Mostly it's about your eye contact and body language. I'm the type of person who never really takes anything seriously, so I hardly ever "build up" the conversation in the first place (unless it just naturally heads in that direction). We'll still be talking about a random sports team rivalry by the time we're making out -- because…
/r/seduction20/08/13 02:07 AM
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To give (hopefully) a more thorough answer -- there's r/highseddit, and the same basic ideas here will still apply to pretty much everything, no matter your age, and no matter the situation. It's only when we start getting into specifics where things start to diverge a bit. IMO, it's fine to know the basics in high school, but it could really fuck you up if you start learning a ton of "theory" too early, because the high school environment is different in so many ways. For example, one-night-sta…
/r/seduction20/08/13 01:38 AM
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We all do. The point is that unless you're about to get some crazy plastic surgery, you're never gonna change it. That's just the way of life. In certain areas of America, it might suck for you more than it sucks for others, but what else can you do? The most you can do is be fuckin confident instead of worrying about that shit.
/r/seduction16/08/13 07:00 AM
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Like, you know, getting past these barriers and trying to know what cards to play with women who do have these prejudices? Yeah, exactly. So what do you want to actually ask about? Do you want to ask about "opening"? In that case, I'd tell you the same shit I'd tell to anyone else. Do you want to ask about transitioning? Again, it'd be the same shit. What do you want? Do you want me to tell you how to get with racists who already hate you? I have no fuckin clue how to get with those people, nor …
/r/seduction16/08/13 06:39 AM
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People don't get slapped too often in general, let alone for a cheesy line like that. I think people overestimate the amount of slappage going on.
/r/seduction16/08/13 03:33 AM
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Race is a factor to people who think race is a factor. If you want to think it's a factor, go ahead, but it won't help anything. Are you looking for validation -- like, you want other people to acknowledge that if you're a different race, shit's more difficult? Okay. Shit is more difficult if you're a different race, and it's definitely more difficult if you're short. Maybe it's just my friend group, but I'm usually the shortest guy at most parties I go to. Now that we've figured that out, where…
/r/seduction16/08/13 03:03 AM
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For one, I think she's just completely ignoring your perspective, and I bet she already knows that, and knows why. If you really care about her, then sit down with her and ask about it. If you legitimately question her reasoning, I'd say to simply override it with your own reality. This is about her, not you. But yeah, if that shit's even semi-important to you, you should tell her, and make it clear. Don't be a dick about it, but make it known. And if she disagrees, that's a bad sign. If it's so…
/r/seduction15/08/13 10:52 PM
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Many of us (the mods especially) believe that fucking on the first date says nothing about whether or not someone is "wife-material." We prefer to fuck someone on the first date, because we think sex is important, and if we ended up being friendly with someone, only to find out later that we weren't sexually-compatible, that'd be shitty. If sexual compatibility isn't as much of a factor for you, then go ahead, but don't come back and complain to us when it doesn't work out. You want to find the …
/r/seduction15/08/13 10:25 PM
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No -- in a way, they're still "racist" for having that opinion. Hell, we all are, in various ways. If white girls exclusively date Asians, that means they're also ignoring white guys, black guys, most Indian guys, etc. And it means they're likely just excluding people based on race. That's the definition of "racist." But I understand it, and I often have similar views -- I prefer white brunettes with a certain body structure, and I'll sometimes meet someone who doesn't fit that, but that's what …
/r/seduction15/08/13 10:15 PM
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As a shorter (5'9"ish) white guy, it's a bit harder for everyone. And I look young, so for anyone who's 3+ years older than me, that's hard too. Your race will still be a factor, I'm sure (racial tensions are still around), but if you let it affect shit, then that's your problem. You can be the blackest motherfucker in the world, but you'll still have a chance with that hot white skinhead chick if you make the right moves. Sure, some shallow girls will immediately disqualify you, but that happen…
/r/seduction15/08/13 09:59 PM
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As anyone here would say -- that might be the wrong way of going about it. The common advice is that if you're looking for a soulmate, you need to fuck as many women as possible. If you're just trying to hook up, you should be looking for someone who's wife-material. It's counterintuitive, but it makes sense. You're not just gonna randomly "find" a wife. Unless you marry your high school sweetheart, shit just doesn't usually work that way. You'll meet your wife by *chance," but it'll most likely…
/r/seduction15/08/13 09:36 PM
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Yep. This is basically what I said. My only difference is that you can definitely ask for her name -- hell, 90% of the time, she'll offer it up. For everything else though, yeah, you could just make some cold reads. Based purely on statistics, there's a good chance she's a nurse/teacher, or at least studying to be one. But you can also look at her body language, tone, and just the words coming out of her mouth. If she starts inserting random "nursing" phrases, then you know she's a nurse. And it…
/r/seduction15/08/13 09:23 PM
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Even at a big bar? Do you just go up, make some minimal conversation, then ask her out for coffee on some later date? I can see that working fine, but for me, I'd rather get a chance to fuck her that night, instead of just getting her number. IMO it's a much better chance, too. If you prefer that sort of coffee date, then that's cool. For me, I prefer to fuck (or at least get some action that night), so I'd never do something like that. And IME, the coffee date will often be kinda awkward, so no…
/r/seduction15/08/13 08:53 PM
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In addition to what these guys have said, you can always just make statements instead of asking questions. Instead of saying "Do you like to read?", say "I bet you read a lot" (then maybe follow it up with "What are you into?"). Simply the fact that it's a statement will make it seem like less of an interview. It'll also make you seem pretty intuitive; and even if you're wrong, she'll correct you and probably give out even more info about herself (or she'll tease you about being wrong, which is …
/r/seduction15/08/13 05:38 PM
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Like Ben_KA said, for day game that tends to be the preferred method, whereas for night game most people prefer to be more indirect. For night game, there's other guys around (some of whom may already be hitting on her), she might have a bitch-shield up (to deflect you in exactly that situation), and you're not taking her by surprise or anything -- and the more guys who hit on her, the more likely it is that some have been using really lame/desperate/pervy lines, and your directness might get lu…
/r/seduction15/08/13 05:06 PM
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It's probably fine to start with something like Models, but some of the ideas might go over his head a bit. For more experienced guys, we're already well aware of the ideas being presented, and we know how/why they're being presented. A beginner might read them and then just immediately forget, because they're not directly relevant (unless he's been approaching for a while already). I'd say the same applies to a lot of "inner game" stuff. I just realized you said basically the same thing. Frankl…
/r/seduction15/08/13 04:49 PM
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It's an iffy situation. In your case it was fine, but I'd never advise anyone to "win" a girl over by flattering them. I'd basically advise the opposite of that. Depending on how aggressive he was being, that can work -- just probably not in most situations.
/r/seduction07/08/13 02:55 AM
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Shit man, that's a pretty good problem to have. At that point, you might as well go for one of the other girls. Her friends should get a bit jealous, but at some point you want to show some interest in her, and hopefully her friends will get the hint (and/or won't care either way because they're not paying much attention to you. You might just be flirting too much with these other girls -- don't openly flirt, just be friendly). I've never k-closed a girl out of nowhere before, only on dates and …
/r/seduction07/08/13 02:11 AM
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I think he was trying to convey his point by "pushing" you away in his replies. To be fair, you did respond to each of them. But yeah, he was just being a dick (and seemed to be completely misconstruing your comments -- though I'm not sure if that was on purpose or on accident). Seddit definitely isn't as one-sided as he makes it out to be. I actually kinda agree with his initial comment (IMO, texting does nothing to raise attraction, except in some pretty specific situations). But then he went …
/r/seduction07/08/13 12:15 AM
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Sure, I'm just saying that this is probably something he's considered many times before, from various angles, and there's a reason he's approaching it a certain way. It's great to be "true to yourself," but you're gonna need to add some shit to that, or else you won't be getting very far.
/r/seduction06/08/13 11:46 PM
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Tenmagnet's a pretty well-known dating coach/PUA, so he probably has a decent grasp on the concept. The issue is that women want certain things, but they might not respond well to those same things. I also don't think that's "all" a shit-test is. In most cases, I don't think shit-tests have anything to do with the guy himself, regardless of how he's acting or how genuine he's being. A common shit-test is something like "you're too young for me." That has nothing to do with how the guy's acting -…
/r/seduction06/08/13 08:14 PM
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Yeah, that's the whole point. Just DON'T DISAGREE. Go along with whatever situation/perspective is presented to you, and add to it. The "Yes, and" thing applies more specifically to improv, as a lesson to beginners. I never say "yes" -- it just sounds weird coming out of my mouth. I say "yeah," if anything. But you don't need to make one of those affirmations in the first place. All you need to do is go along with the situation being presented, and then add more to it.
/r/seduction06/08/13 08:00 PM
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To reiterate what a few people have said (without making a joke out of it), you don't literally need to say "Yes, and." That would be weird. Look at OP's example -- he only says "Yes, and" once. Otherwise, he just agrees with the girl's perspective, and adds to it. That's the gist of it. Agree with the perspective being presented, and add to it. Having said that, there's also many times where you can say "Yes, but," or just straight-up disagree with a person -- in those cases, you usually want t…
/r/seduction06/08/13 07:57 PM
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Basically this. I can't really add anything. Your body language should be conveying a sense of "closeness" in the first place, regardless of what you're talking about, and that's what'll increase the sexual tension. IMO, sexual tension is basically "unspoken" anyway. It's not like some sex jokes are gonna strengthen the bond between you two -- and unless you're pretty suave, they'll probably backfire more often than not. And in terms of texting, the best way to raise sexual tension is by sexting…
/r/seduction06/08/13 07:47 PM
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I basically agree, but don't downplay some of these situations. In middle school/early high school, I was infatuated with a certain girl, for like 3 years. She had "dated" my best friend (in middle school, so they didn't really do much, but still...), and I developed a crush on her. I had a couple classes with her, and those were always the best parts of my day. Even if I didn't get to talk to her sometimes, I was just happy to be around her. But she had never thought of me in that way, so I was…
/r/seduction06/08/13 07:38 PM
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Depends on which study you look at I guess, but yeah, it looks like online dating is a bigger percentage now (at the same time though, how long has online dating even existed? Those couples probably haven't been together for more than like 10 years). Either way, my point was just that 1/5th of married couples clearly had a successful relationship at work and clearly didn't get accused of harassment after a bad breakup, didn't get fired, etc. And that's not even counting unmarried couples. When p…
/r/seduction06/08/13 04:16 PM
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It's definitely more important. It's the same idea as you thinking your face looks good, even if other people think you're ugly. For one, if you lack self-confidence regarding your looks, that's not gonna help when you approach and interact with someone. Two, your personality should outshine and outweigh any physical/aesthetic qualities, regardless of how you look. Even if realistically, you know you're not a looker, you'd just be doing yourself a disservice by having that mentality. And if you …
/r/seduction06/08/13 04:06 PM
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I've had that too, just IME when she says something that heavy, it's usually because she already thought about it a lot and made up her mind about it, regardless of how she's currently acting. You can definitely still go for it though, if you want. Keep doing the same shit you've been doing, and then make a move. As far as holding hands, let your hand brush up against hers while you're walking (then maybe do it again, just because you can), and if she doesn't seem to mind, then just grab her han…
/r/seduction06/08/13 07:19 AM
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Go to bars/frats/parties as often as you can, and embrace your new looks (in other words, let that be the source of your confidence, and show up to places with that idea in mind). You look good, and people are gonna be attracted to you. You know that, so act like it.
/r/seduction06/08/13 07:13 AM
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Ideally, I'd continually talk to both and bring them both back to my place, but that's if we're gonna drink/afterparty at my place. Then just let the chips fall where they may. If that's not doable, you'll probably be pretty stuck in most situations. One of them is probably "hanging on" to the other (like one of them is the ride, or whatever), but a good time to isolate is if you're all sitting at the bar. You can quietly invite one of em to come with you (to smoke, or play whatever games they g…
/r/seduction06/08/13 07:10 AM
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I'd start by being more friendly with everyone who comes in, be more open with them and have more "involved" conversations. Do that for a while and see how it works out -- if people like you, they might seek you out themselves.
/r/seduction06/08/13 07:01 AM
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One big thing is that you need to be making moves. If you're not making moves, she probably won't know how you feel exactly. It's the same shit guys do -- girl seems flirty and blah blah blah, but since she's not literally taking her clothes off, we have no idea if she's trying to hint at anything more. And since we're already nervous/anxious about it, we rationalize it as something innocent/inadvertent, even when it's not.
/r/seduction06/08/13 06:59 AM
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It really depends on how you personally feel about it. You might just be more attracted to the "stoic" personality, in which case you probably won't like the girls who are the opposite of that. I tend to prefer "girl-next-door" types, who (by my definition, at least) are usually more down-to-earth, less bullshitty, etc. Stoic girls can probably be included in that group. I don't like the girls who outwardly flaunt shit, unless I'm drunk or just looking for some sex.
/r/seduction06/08/13 06:55 AM
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In addition to what Throwaway said, one thing you can do is just pretend that you're the girl and she's the guy trying to hit on you. Then when you're talking and shit, imitate the way the girl would usually talk/act in that situation. Don't go too far with it, but at least keep that idea in the back of your mind. You'll notice that you start reacting to things a lot differently, and probably 8 times out of 10, she'll start conforming to her "role" as the person who's trying to get with you.
/r/seduction06/08/13 06:51 AM
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One big piece of advice (that I always "use" now) is to stop thinking of silences as being "awkward" in the first place. The other person likely feels just as awkward as you do, so if you go ahead and don't think it's awkward, then they're the only one who's worried about it (either that or they'll pick up on your comfort and feel more comfortable themselves). A good side-effect of this is that you won't freeze up and lose focus, or just won't really care about the "focus" to begin with, which w…
/r/seduction06/08/13 06:46 AM
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bl1y didn't expand, so I'll try to -- IMO, this whole thing about "don't shit where you eat" is way overblown, and it's heavily influenced by the people who did have bad experiences with it, while people who have no experience with it just kinda stay quiet, since they don't know (or they just spout whatever shit they've heard from others). Meanwhile, most married couples met at work, so... there's that. I can only think of a few friends whose parents didn't meet at work. It's really up to you th…
/r/seduction06/08/13 06:42 AM
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I've had exes say the same thing before, and in my anecdotal experience, they're usually being pretty truthful when they say that (like, there have been a few times where I knew that wasn't how they actually felt, but then when shit started getting real, I realized they probably did actually feel that way). It's definitely possible to get back with an ex, but when they say something like that (especially to you), that's a pretty sure sign that even if you do hook up again, you shouldn't expect m…
/r/seduction06/08/13 06:27 AM
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I don't like those types of texts (what kind of retarded fuckin question is that?), so I'll often say the opposite of what she wants to hear -- though I'll still be playful about it. There's really no reason to engage her seriously with something like "Yeah, I really miss you right now." That's so cheesy, and for all we know, you're actually lowering her attraction. Like bl1y said though, it kinda depends on what your relationship is already like. Of course I'll tell a girlfriend that I miss her…
/r/seduction06/08/13 06:23 AM
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For the first question, the classic answer (that still usually works well) is to befriend the group, even to the point where you're kinda ignoring/teasing the actual "target." The point of that is to get the group more comfortable with you so they won't cockblock you later (or just when you go to isolate the girl). The other point of it is that you build some banter/tension with the girl herself, so at first, she doesn't really know how you feel about her, and then is pleasantly surprised when y…
/r/seduction06/08/13 06:15 AM
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Thinking of it as a competition (of sorts) only leads to more problems (except for the times that it works out). Let him be him, and you be you. Granted, there will definitely be times where the other guy might get the girl you wanted, but one side-effect of losing that competitive outlook is that you end up being more naturally at-ease (and thus, more confident). When you're not worried about shit, your words and actions flow more smoothly.
/r/seduction06/08/13 04:04 AM
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Very true. We also get brigaded by various subs (in this case, probably /r/cringe and other related subs), which happens much more frequently now that the sub has gotten bigger. A lot of the negative comments here are from people who don't seem to have much of a (if any) history on seddit. The only real issue here is OP's link mentioning doing this on purpose, and that's what skewed all these opinions. If you randomly touch a boob on accident, nobody ever gives a shit (and you certainly won't ge…
/r/seduction06/08/13 03:35 AM
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No problem -- but yeah, like I said... you might just want to comb through the sidebar instead of looking at random posts (and/or check out r/highseddit). Looking at random posts is probably gonna give you a warped view of things, and it'll probably hurt you more than it helps. The mods tend to think that virtually any situation can be helped with some general seddit ideas, but even we agree that high school is a bit different than most other situations. There used to be a "college" seddit, but …
/r/seduction01/08/13 02:33 PM
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I'll allow this post since it's early and we don't have many users right now, but this type of question is better-suited for r/askseddit. IMO, most of the advice here won't apply to high school (besides the basic ideas). High school mostly relies on "social-circle" game, where you create a big group of friends and then meet girls through that group. You can definitely still check out a lot of the stuff here, but I'd advise you to ignore pretty much everything beyond the basic ideas. If you try t…
/r/seduction01/08/13 02:04 PM
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No, but someone who's a "try-hard" is bad. Picture a guy telling a story, who's exaggerating all of his good qualities, trying to impress the girl who's listening to the story. The story's probably not even relevant to anything, but he's telling it anyway, since it gives him an opportunity to list all of his good qualities. That guy's being "try-hard." Whereas there's nothing inherently wrong with "trying hard" -- though it can definitely become an issue if you're too nervous and/or dependent on…
/r/seduction01/08/13 01:44 PM
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I dunno who that is, so he must not have been mentioned too much. Either way, I can try to get an AMA with him.
/r/seduction01/08/13 06:48 AM
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Do not approach groups of girls on the dance floor unless one of them wants to dance with you. And Some women go to clubs/bars with only their i.d. Looking for a guy to buy their drinks all night. Those ideas seem a bit contradictory. From the girl's perspective in that second situation, she's basically just screwing the guy over and "forcing" him into a shitty situation. And in the first situation, the guy's also at fault for doing the "same." Seems like the guy's at fault in both situations, n…
/r/seduction01/08/13 06:41 AM
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Honestly, I was thinking the same, and was gonna remove some of these posts/comments for that reason. But I checked a lot of these guys, and they all seem to be actual redditers. I think it's just one of those phases where a certain guy gets mentioned a lot (it happens all the time).
/r/seduction01/08/13 06:21 AM
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When I first started deadlifting, my max was probably about 405. When I took my powerlifting class in high school (it was something you could take instead of "gym"), my max went up to 515 in about 4 months. I was 5'10" and weighed about 170. During that period, I spent more time fucking around than I spent actually lifting weights. I realize it's different at a gym where you're with strangers, but even more recently when I went to the YMCA near where I lived (at the time), I still talked to a bu…
/r/seduction01/08/13 05:43 AM
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Search on seddit for "gym," and you'll probably find stuff. A few people wrote some decent "guides" for it. Though you'll also find some stuff about how it's a bad idea. It's a really polarizing issue. If you're gonna do it, it pretty much works the same way as any other cold approach (except you're in a gym). It's definitely possible, just don't be weird about it.
/r/seduction31/07/13 11:18 PM
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If you're not into super-loud music and shit, clubs might not be the best. I've only been to a handful of clubs. I prefer bars (of all types). Bigger cities tend to have bigger bars, that are just like clubs, but there's less of a focus on random dancing, and more of a focus on the bar itself. Those places tend to be easier for approaching, since you can go up to the bar and just start random convos with people (including girls). Smaller cities also have bars (obviously), and depending on the ci…
/r/seduction31/07/13 07:47 PM
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Anyone who focuses on that sort of thing might be too insecure in the first place. Think about it this way: You're worried that she might be miffed by it, but are you even gonna ask her about how many guys she's been with? Do you even really care? I mean, maybe you do care, but she gives off a vibe that she hasn't been with many guys. Even then, maybe she has been with a bunch of guys before, and her personality just doesn't project that. Point is though -- it shouldn't be of much concern in the…
/r/seduction31/07/13 07:39 PM
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For me at least, I went to college in a different state, where I basically recreated myself (acted more confident, etc.), and it eventually became my natural attitude. So I got lucky, in that regard. It really just hinges on experience and improving your self-confidence though. Easier said than done, but that's what a lot of this material is supposed to help with.
/r/seduction31/07/13 07:06 PM
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I know one guy who read The Game back when he was like 14, and I'm pretty sure he implemented a lot of the basic ideas. I know between Jr. High and High School he basically became the most popular kid in school (after being pretty much unknown). He's had more sex than anyone I know. So it definitely worked for him, but I think it's because he just focused on some of the really basic concepts introduced in the book, while ignoring all the specific stuff. If you're at a point though where you're n…
/r/seduction31/07/13 07:01 PM
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Similar to what icypenguenz said -- I think Manson is specifically talking about girls in that part. Like, if you don't know whether to make a move, or whether to be more sexual, or whatever, air on the side of aggression in those cases. He's not talking about being aggressive in general. That'd be bad, and pretty much the opposite of his overall message.
/r/seduction31/07/13 06:47 PM
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In addition to what these guys said, try to search up some articles/material on "cold-reading." It's like an art form, but the basics are pretty easy to do. It's largely based on first impressions and statistics. When you meet a random girl, there's a pretttty good chance she's either a teacher or a nurse. If she's got big, athletic thighs, she probably played a sport (either volleyball, softball, or soccer -- though soccer girls will tend to be a bit skinnier. Maybe basketball). You can make th…
/r/seduction31/07/13 06:42 PM
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That's how most people tend to feel about Mystery Method. IMO, only Mystery himself has the type of superhuman memory and experiences to be able to pull it off 100%. Other guys (like Style, and whoever) can only imitate that, and even then, it's not gonna work the exact same way for them. Not much has changed in 2 years though. It's not like we were all focused on Mystery 2 years ago. Even by then, MM had already fallen "out of favor." The only "change" I can think of is that many more people ar…
/r/seduction31/07/13 06:01 PM
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Many PUAs will tell you there's a few stages that everyone tends to go through. Stage 1 -- AFC stage, where you basically don't know what you're doing. Stage 2 -- This is when you learn some shit, and get some experience. You almost become/act the opposite of how you did in Stage 1. You might start getting too cocky, and doing what you described here (you basically just chase the thrill, but the "thrill" loses its effect after a while, and you hit a plateau). Stage 3 -- This is when you start re…
/r/seduction31/07/13 05:08 PM
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Yeah, it's more about being proactive than it is about going to the "right" places. Any place (including bars and clubs) can be the "right" place, just depending on the circumstances (edit to clarify a bit: Ryan Gosling has probably been to more than few clubs before. Hell, if you're in the right spot at the time, you could even meet him at one of them. So yeah, clubs can still be fine for meeting "good" guys). Being passive just means that the only interactions you'll have are with guys who hav…
/r/seduction31/07/13 04:55 PM
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That's kinda the problem that guys face in the first place. You said: Friends are only going to think you're a slut for accepting the advances of a guy if they think you're significantly lowering your standards for him Isn't that entirely dependent on who your friends are in the first place? One of my best friends is a shaggy-haired red-headed guy who didn't start getting noticed until high school (because... you know). Then he started dating a really popular cheerleader/poms girl, and has been …
/r/seduction29/07/13 07:22 AM
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I literally do, sometimes. I've gotten into arguments with so many people about GoT, but since I read the /r/asoiaf sub, I tend to know much more than the random show-watchers, and more than most of the book-readers. So we'll get into arguments about shit (where I usually win), while also talking about more casual shit.
/r/seduction29/07/13 04:09 AM
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NO NO NO! That episode is from the third book. If you try to watch the third season before reading the third book, I'll hunt you down and kill you. The whole reason why that episode got so much viewers in the first place is because the book readers were all persuading people to watch it. Because we already knew what would happen. And we knew it'd be great. Seriously, don't watch the whole show before getting into the rest of the books. At the very least, you can watch an episode of the second se…
/r/seduction29/07/13 03:41 AM
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What the FUCK is wrong with you?! The season with John Lithgow (from 3rd Rock from the Sun) is easily the best in the series -- I think he won "best supporting actor" for it. You gotta watch at least some of those earlier episodes just to understand Dexter's mindset right now. If you're watching it "blind," you're not really gonna know why he does the things he does. It's all been building up for the past... whole series, so it helps to see that earlier stuff. IMO, you should try to read GoT bef…
/r/seduction29/07/13 03:18 AM
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Have you not been watching from the start? If not, find some ahemsites where you can watch it. Definitely watch those other episodes first. Some seasons are worse than others, for sure, but each episode is at least worth seeing. If only to give a bit more perspective on Dexter's character. If you have seen everything, ignore me. Still though, I didn't mean to overplay the "coolness" of this episode -- if you get a chance to watch it with someone else before the next episode, definitely watch it …
/r/seduction29/07/13 03:00 AM
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There should be 12 episodes total, and this was episode 5. If you'd rather watch it with your sister, I'd recommend doing that instead. It'll probably be a cooler experience. Trust me, it doesn't contain the same sort of "twist" as the last episode, but once you watch it, you'll probably see what I'm saying.
/r/seduction29/07/13 02:44 AM
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I never liked her very much, and still don't like her much this season, but she did fine in this last episode. I usually like shows for the acting, and IMO even guys like Batista and Quinn are better actors overall, but she's been doing a pretty good job. Dexter still tops all of them -- look at how "true" he stays to his lines, and look at his body language. IMO, nobody else has done that at all, except probably Quinn and Batista in various situations, and LaGuerta in some situations. To note: …
/r/seduction29/07/13 02:22 AM
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This episode was probably the best of the season. I know the last episode had a great ending, but this one was pretty consistent throughout, in terms of the suspense/story.
/r/seduction29/07/13 01:55 AM
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I think the idea of "calibration" is pretty much the opposite of "not giving a shit." If you were to completely stop giving a shit, you'd be a psychopath. If you did the opposite, you'd be a little bitch in every situation, constantly sucking up to people, constantly being submissive. "Not giving a shit" is good for various reasons, in various situations. But also, "calibration" is pretty damn important in various situations. You need an ability to not care about the outcome, while also not over…
/r/seduction29/07/13 01:49 AM
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Yeah, the important thing is that you're open to the idea. Everyone has a different "boundary" when it comes to personal space. I was the same as you, and then something changed. At some point I just realized that it was a pretty "normal" thing for people to do, and I started doing it too. Anyone who's openly talkative/emotional tends to touch people more often, even in random convos with strangers. At first, I started forcing myself to do it, but after a while, it just became natural. It also l…
/r/seduction29/07/13 01:15 AM
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Similar to what jingidy said, you don't want to be a dick about it. You don't need to just "eject" though. Continue to be friendly (especially to the girl you opened -- better yet, make sure to open one of the girls you're not attracted to). By opening a random girl you're not attracted to, that'll usually ease some of their "suspicions." Just stay friendly, and they'll probably open up a bit. Especially in a bar/club situation, it's something that girls do a lot, because they're already expecti…
/r/seduction29/07/13 12:49 AM
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We all do similar shit. Guys do it, just not as often, because girls don't approach as often. It's just an ego thing. And can you blame them? They're closer to their friends than they are to you (as a stranger), so they'd rather get approval from their friends. Try to think about it in terms of a really fat chick walking up to you to openly flirt with you (who's also probably pretty drunk). Your friends are all around you. Are you actually gonna flirt back with her? Probably not. You'll probably…
/r/seduction29/07/13 12:42 AM
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He's talking about the terms regarding their general usage, and in that case, I totally agree with his points. Usually though, when people say "direct" vs. "indirect," they're referring to the wording of your opener. An opening compliment is pretty much always "direct" (unless you're just joking or insulting the person). Whereas an opening observation about this nice weather is pretty much always "indirect," even if you're oozing sexual charisma. For example, I hardly ever open with a compliment…
/r/seduction28/07/13 11:55 PM
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Do you ever lightly touch a stranger when they're standing in your way and you need to get around them? Every other form of "kino" is basically just an expansion of that idea. Despite what you said, I still think you've touched people when trying to get their attention in some way (whether to move around a stranger, or to tell something to a friend who was busy with something else). Or hell, when raising a hand in class -- that's still the same basic idea.
/r/seduction28/07/13 11:19 PM
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Like sharperguy said (and got downvoted for), basically gauge her interest and take the plunge. There's no perfect gameplan for it. How much eye contact does she make, how often does she glance at your lips, how close is she to you when you're talking (like physically, is her face already within like a foot of yours? GOOD), how much does she start (and/or recipocrate) the kino, etc.? If that kind of shit all seems pretty good, she's probably at least a bit attracted to you already. In terms of m…
/r/seduction28/07/13 11:12 PM
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To "pull" back, you can just be friendly (maybe friendlier than normal), make them laugh, share stories, have a "deeper" convo than normal, be more flirty than normal, etc. Basically do the opposite of "insulting" them. Be really friendly, be a good listener, and show a hint that you're actually attracted, and that you don't just hate their guts. I've had a lot of girls who thought I legitimately didn't like them just because of some random-ass joke I made a single time. In terms of how bad you …
/r/seduction28/07/13 11:04 PM
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In this case, it's just personal preference. They want to make sure people know that they're mods. I want to do the same. I already mentioned some specific shit though (and already have the tag next to my name), so I don't care enough to distinguish the comment. It doesn't really matter. None of us usually care about it. These guys probably just distinguished themselves because the post was specifically asking about them. If I wasn't drunk, I might've done the same.
/r/seduction25/07/13 03:49 AM
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I randomly found out about reddit, then randomly found out about seddit. Then I stayed on seddit for a while, because it was interesting to me -- and at the time, I'd just left a school where I'd gotten a lot of experience. I made some comments, here and there, for a while. Then I started making more comments, trying to help other guys reach the same realization I had reached (the realization that nobody gives a shit, and you can do whatever you want). Eventually I was asked to be a mod.
/r/seduction25/07/13 03:14 AM
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Most of us have already done "AMAs" before. Check our post histories. Tofu did one I think. So did I at one point. The community used to be great, back when we had like 15,000 users. Things were more personal, and each question tended to get a pretty "personal" answer. Now, we have almost 135,000 users, which has been bad and good, for different reasons. We can't provide the same "personal" answers much, but the questions have gone more in-depth than they ever were before. I became a mod because…
/r/seduction25/07/13 03:08 AM
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Well... yeah. Basically. But it's also a "general" style -- if you wear boat shoes, you're not supposed to wear socks. It's part of the "sacred code." I went on vacation to the East Coast recently, where I wore ankle-high socks, and (god forbid... oh noooooo) cargo shorts. Nobody seemed to give a shit, but still, most guys my age were wearing boat shoes with no socks. I still made out with some girls, but I definitely noticed the fashion there. I even made sure to bring some non-cargo shorts, be…
/r/seduction25/07/13 02:46 AM
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You must not spend too much time in mfa, because shoes with no socks is a popular style now, especially on the East Coast. When they wear boat shoes and shit (which is the style now), they often won't wear socks at all. You can go ahead and wear some of those "no-show" socks, like someone mentioned. Either way, there's definitely a trend right now where people wanna see less and less socks (and it's been happening for the past 20 years or so.)
/r/seduction25/07/13 02:36 AM
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It's basically the same as the dorms, but you have to make even more of an effort to talk to people. For instance, when I was in an "apartment," I was actually in a townhouse, and didn't see anyone else on most days (whereas if you're in an actual apartment building, you might see people every time you show up). So the first thing I did was made friends with both neighbors on either side -- one was a group of partiers, and the other was a group of stoners, so it made for a good mix. Then I'd als…
/r/seduction24/07/13 06:10 AM
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In general, obviously we're gonna go for similarly-attractive people. We're too afraid to go for anything more, and too proud to go for anything less (in general). That judgment is totally fine IMO, but the way those studies reached that judgment is questionable, because IMO the premises were false for most of the studies, added to the fact that everyone in those studies was forced to interact for a short period of time, then make a decision. When it comes to human interaction, I think it's defi…
/r/seduction23/07/13 10:28 PM
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In terms of a relationship, where one person changes and the other doesn't, it makes sense. But I still think that can be explained by different things than what the article is talking about. Neil Gaiman (famous author) is married to some chick in a punk-rock band that wasn't very famous, but he still likes her for her personality. And there's a shitload of reasons why their relationship might falter, but it's probably not directly related to her wealth/status, or anything like that. And for Nei…
/r/seduction23/07/13 10:19 PM
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The basic hypothesis sounds okay, but I'd add confidence and/or desirability to it. In fact, I'd probably throw out anything about wealth and anything about physical attractiveness as is. Confidence and your general vibe is gonna override a lot of that shit (sometimes, all of it). If that's even possible once (like for me, I have no job, no car, I don't look great, etc.), then it's an exception to their "rule." All of these studies are pretty questionable, because you're basically forcing people…
/r/seduction23/07/13 09:57 PM
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Try to take the bus (depends how close you are, I guess). Get to the school much earlier than you need to, and just walk around. Talk to people. Figure out where they're from and where they're going. Figure out if someone lives near the school and is having a party on Friday. And don't leave the school until much later than you need to (unless nobody's there at that point). Again, just walk around and make friendly conversation, figure out where people are from, and make friends with them. Then …
/r/seduction23/07/13 06:41 PM
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The way I define "DHV stories" is that you briefly/subtly mention some aspect of your "value," while the story itself revolves around something else entirely. So if you're a firefighter, you'd say something like "I was getting this cat down from a tree, but then this guy comes over and does (blah blah blah)." The story is about the guy who did something crazy, but the girl still realizes that you were rescuing a cat from a tree, even though you just kinda glossed over that part. Same thing appli…
/r/seduction23/07/13 07:32 AM
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IMO you did fine. But this was in text, right? #1 -- don't apologize for shit. 2, don't send many texts that aren't about meeting back up. How did you meet her and get her number? I can give some more advice, but it'd depend on your past history. Looking at your other reply below -- you're not really building comfort by apologizing (for texting, most shit is simply different, and you're never gonna get the same responses you would've gotten if you had had that same convo in-person).
/r/seduction23/07/13 07:26 AM
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Nah... you've got some selection bias going on I think. I'd say about 90% of the posts here are about rejections. The guy fucked up and he's looking for help. There's really a teeny-tiny minority of "successes" being posted, but you see them "more often" because they're upvoted more. It can definitely be a game of cat-and-mouse, but for a beginner, I probably wouldn't recommend that sort of thought-process. Save that for when you know how to play that game already, and know how to do those thing…
/r/seduction23/07/13 07:14 AM
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Just sit close to her -- if you need to, do the classic "yawn" and put your arm around her. Ideally though, your arm should already be around her as soon as you sit down -- if that's too "forward", then do the yawn thing. Then when there's a loll (or whatever) in the movie, just pull your arm even closer, so her face ends up right next to yours. The rest should be obvious. Honestly though, the movie shouldn't matter at all, and it'd be better to just present yourself as a sexual person in the fi…
/r/seduction19/07/13 04:33 AM
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Regardless, just make sure to do some kino early on and then make some actual moves early. If you're watching a movie together, that already means she likes you. So don't be afraid.
/r/seduction19/07/13 04:21 AM
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I feel you, but nah, I'm thinking of 2 posts specifically that went into the filter, and neither of them were like that. The filter's just weird, man. We just kinda accept it now. Edit: And I don't think I've had many phrases like that in other posts. I mean, either way, the filter would have to make some pretty specific distinctions with the wording. But I don't even think the wording is all that important. The filter removes all kinds of shit, and we (the mods) haven't really been able to figu…
/r/seduction19/07/13 03:45 AM
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I think it's built-in, and I'm not sure we can manually "change" it. I'm also not sure if it can be disabled (and, it catches a ton of "legit" spam/crap, so we might not want to disable it anyway). I think most of our mods (not me though) are pretty good with IT shit, and in fact, they can give you a much better answer about the spam filter if you PM them. As far as I know though (and as far as the other mods have said themselves), it's not something we can just "change." It's supposed to be lik…
/r/seduction19/07/13 03:26 AM
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Check google. Search for something like (no quotes): "scary movies cause attraction" -- or something along those lines (I googled it myself and couldn't find shit, so you'll just have to trust me). Scary movies cause attraction because you both legitimately get kinda scared during the movie, and you both use each other as a sort of "stabilizing" figure. And then you both subconsciously associate each other with this "figure" that "protected" you during a scary situation. The movie also makes you…
/r/seduction19/07/13 03:16 AM
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I kinda feel the same way. We try to direct people to askseddit, but there are others who can learn shit from the question (especially right now, where we seem to have less current browsers than usual), so we might as well just leave it up. Also, for anyone wondering -- if you make a post and then it disappears, that probably doesn't mean a mod removed it. Most likely, it means our shitty spam filter removed it for no reason. The mods generally don't remove too many posts (especially not at 2am)…
/r/seduction19/07/13 02:42 AM
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You should've posted this to askseddit since it's a question that's been asked a lot before, but I'll allow it. Depends what you want. If she's into scary movies, find a decent recent one -- her fear of the movie helps build her attraction to you (they've done studies and shit). If I'm gonna be making moves though, then I prefer a semi-boring movie that we've both already seen before. In other words, I prefer a movie like Office Space -- good movie, no doubt, but if you've seen it 10 times alrea…
/r/seduction19/07/13 12:55 AM
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On that note, xanax is like a lesser form of oxy, while adderrall is like a lesser form of coke. Depending on your issue, they can both help mellow you out and make you less self-conscious. It really just depends on the issue though. If you legitimately have ADD, then you won't fully understand why adderrall's such a popular recreational drug, because you experience it differently.
/r/seduction18/07/13 10:04 AM
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Oxycontin was the best for me. Other shit made me mellow out, but oxycontin always made me more talkative. It was just like coke, but all the main effects were completely different (besides the talking). Coke will make you talk, but will quickly make you sound like a fuckin idiot. Oxy will also make you talk (and easily make you throw up), but you'll still be able to talk pretty "normally," just with most of the stigma removed so you never worry about it too much.
/r/seduction18/07/13 10:01 AM
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It's just a term we all keep using due to tradition. "HB" basically means "hot babe" (or anything similar), but it's also used to refer to basically anyone. So yeah, there's such a thing as an "HB1," even if the girl's extremely ugly and has a terrible personality. It's just a rating system with some meaningless letters attached. The intended point of the term is to put a "value" on someone -- if they value themselves very highly in a certain environment, then their "points" jump up. gosurobber …
/r/seduction18/07/13 09:29 AM
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Simple, clear-cut answer: You wanna fuck, but you don't need to fuck any specific girl. You can fuck the girl sitting next to you at the bar, you can fuck her friend, you can fuck that girl in the corner, you can fuck one of the girls who's smoking outside, etc. You'd like to get some sex, but since you have options, you're not constantly second-guessing yourself. If the first girl rejects you, cool, now you can move on. That's about it. The point is not to get your validation from the random gi…
/r/seduction18/07/13 08:45 AM
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It really depends on how exactly you're applying it situationally. Because cockiness can still apply to sexual shit (you're cocky because you know they're attracted and you know that sex is a legit option). You don't need to be super talkative or anything. Especially one-on-one, it can be better to just use your body language and eye contact to do most of the talking for you. Sit back and give her the "sex" eyes (for an example, just google for pictures of Orlando Bloom -- his eyes are pretty mu…
/r/seduction17/07/13 06:02 PM
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The start of the night was kinda shitty, but I don't think you really did anything "wrong." When those girls immediately scrutinized you, they were either just being assholes, or something might've been "off" with your body language/tone, so watch out for that. I hardly ever get people denying that I'm new to the area (even when I'm just pretending to be), so I'm either picking the right people to talk to, or I'm just giving off a more genuine vibe somehow (it's hard to explain exactly how, but …
/r/seduction17/07/13 05:47 PM
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Never do what whitehat said, but definitely make some random jokey remark about what they got. If they got a bunch of one item, then jokingly ask about it in a friendly way. If they got something that's "weird" to you, same thing. Jokingly ask about it. If they're about to grab something, jokingly stop them from grabbing it and say that your preference is better, as you grab something right next to it.
/r/seduction16/07/13 04:18 AM
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If you're in college, it's not even about that, either. She thinks you'll just ditch her and move on -- and hell, maybe you will (and maybe she will just as easily). So take her out to breakfast the next day, show her a good time, and show that you actually care. If you don't care at all, I understand that, but I'd never leave a girl like that. I used to do something like that, but haven't done it for a long time. Just be more genuine from the start, and you won't have those issues. If you still…
/r/seduction16/07/13 04:15 AM
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The "above the game" guide also talks about giving value and being vulnerable. IMO Tofu's interpretation of it is probably the best overall. You gotta understand that most people here don't use the definition you're probably thinking of -- being a "leader" is still part of that basic definition, but we've added a lot of other things that are completely irrelevant to Silverback gorillas. In terms of being a "leader" in your friend group, it's definitely not a requirement, but it is generally seen…
/r/seduction15/07/13 05:50 PM
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San Diego has the most beautiful women. It also has bars that charge a normal amount of money. Shit though -- I went to Chicago yesterday and most bars charged like 6 bucks for a tiny cup of beer. So I checked around for a cheaper bar and went there instead.
/r/seduction13/07/13 06:45 AM
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Most of us know that. Hopefully there aren't too many guys who still think that way, but it's tough to say. Many "beginners" like to think of things as a sort of "game," because it makes things less personal for them (you didn't get rejected, only your character got rejected). When I was a freshman in college (and before I knew anything about the "seduction community"), that's how I got good with girls. Prior to that, I wasn't a "loser" or anything, but I definitely wasn't the sort of guy who ha…
/r/seduction11/07/13 04:04 AM
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Don't ever do that. If you talk to more than 1 girl, that's easily 10-15 bucks you just wasted on drinks that weren't for you. If you have the money for it, go ahead, but it's not something I'd ever recommend.
/r/seduction11/07/13 03:56 AM
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Yeah I feel you -- that's exactly what you're arguing with this girl about, right? You're trying to show that girls aren't more in-tune with social cues than guys (at least as far as flirting is concerned). On the one hand, that makes a ton of sense, and I basically agree with the notion in general. On the other hand, when it comes to flirting especially, nobody is good at interpreting a single movement, or a single glance, or a single whatever. Every body language book will tell you that you ha…
/r/seduction10/07/13 04:32 AM
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I think the reason why people don't go into detail about calibration is because instead of just generalizing all women, you're now stereotyping certain "types" of women, which can often lead to more inaccuracies than the generalization. More than that though -- as the person giving advice on calibration, there's no possible way for me to know how you should calibrate, because I wasn't living the experience (I've probably lived similar experiences, so I can give some advice, but it's a crapshoot …
/r/seduction10/07/13 01:10 AM
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When I go out with friends, I usually don't compete with them. I either ignore them or try to help them. That's all I'm saying. There will always be guys who are stronger, more attractive, smarter, more successful, etc. It'd be a waste of time to worry about it. It's the difference between self-validation and external validation. If you rely too much on external validation, sure you might still be successful, but you'll fall into a rut at the first sign of "failure" (failure's in quotes because …
/r/seduction09/07/13 03:46 PM
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I'm removing her comments. She only came here because of the fuckin cringepics invasion the other day (I should've known). She's trying to bash the whole community. I mean, I know she's trying to "help," but she's doing so by basically bashing the entire community and saying everything's "fake," though she's really just misinterpreting things.
/r/seduction09/07/13 03:39 PM
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Are you kidding? I was in swimming. I could improve my own times without beating anyone else. My best race was a race where I came in dead last, because I improved my 100 fly time by like 5 seconds. It's about improving yourself -- other people are irrelevant.
/r/seduction09/07/13 03:36 PM
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Sure they are, if your strategies would be different than OP's. Mine wouldn't though, so I think you're wrong. I get what you mean about being genuine and shit, but that doesn't mean OP's strategies don't work. I can guarantee the only reason you have a negative response is because you're reading the actual thoughts behind it. If you had just randomly seen a guy having fun on the dancefloor, you wouldn't think twice about it. If you were at the bar with a guy who was being laid-back yet also giv…
/r/seduction09/07/13 03:18 PM
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Your first comment said I can't even begin to tell you how wrong these "strategies" are.
/r/seduction09/07/13 03:09 PM
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I have experience too, and he's right. The girl's not even gonna know you're "playing mind games" in the first place, and yourfaceoffendsme is completely ignoring that aspect of it. The girl's probably not even gonna notice that you're leaning back, let alone view it as some sort of manipulative game you're playing.
/r/seduction09/07/13 03:08 PM
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I dunno the study, but since you mentioned it, it definitely makes sense. It's not like we, as guys, recognize our own subtle hints. Based on various other studies, people will often point one (or both) feet toward the person they're most interested in (whether sexually or just in general). And that's probably not something you'd ever recognize yourself doing unless you've read the book that talked about it and remained consciously aware of your foot movements. People tend to have a more "open" …
/r/seduction09/07/13 05:17 AM
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I'd say it's fine to get her number from your friend, and then just play it cool. Bikes4fun seems to be forgetting that you don't have another way to access this girl, so I dunno how you're supposed to "be a fucking adult" about it. If you were to get the number from your friend, text her and say "Hey this is Y___, I got your number from [friend], which totally isn't creepy or anything. But I'm having a party on Friday if you wanna come." I can pretty much guarantee her response will be somethin…
/r/seduction09/07/13 04:47 AM
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I debated removing it, then didn't (I think because it led to more discussion where people disagreed with the guy).
/r/seduction09/07/13 04:30 AM
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touching ;-D Because we all know "Bro, just touch her" would sound so much better. The reason I like the word "kino" so much is that it's a placeholder for all different "kinds" of touching you can do, and anyone who's read even a smidgen of material will know exactly what I mean when I say it. I never mean "poke her in the eyeball," I mean "lightly put a hand on her arm to get her attention." And everyone knows that, just from me saying "use some kino."
/r/seduction09/07/13 04:24 AM
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I'm late to this party, but here's my 2 cents. For one, the mods have discussed this sort of thing before, and I think we eventually agreed to keep the terms as they are, because: It's easier for guys to find stuff when they search for it. Seddit's big enough as it is, so we kinda don't want more users. If the jargon is enough to turn someone away, that's their own problem. I do basically agree with you though. If you were to go through my entire history, you'd find maybe a handful of times wher…
/r/seduction09/07/13 04:18 AM
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That's what we're all doing here. If that's what we're all doing here, that's fuckin shitty and I'll ask EvolutionTheory to close the sub. That's not what we're doing here, and if I catch people doing shit like that, I'll probably remove their comments.
/r/seduction09/07/13 04:03 AM
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Normally we do remove a bunch of those comments. I saw the thread at some point yesterday, and it was nowhere near as bad as it is right now. Pretty sure we had an invasion, because most of the top comments aren't from sedditors. Like you said though -- yeah, I've never used the exact lines OP used, but I've done similar shit.
/r/seduction08/07/13 04:15 PM
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I can approach, open, have a great interaction with a girl, take her back to my place, make out with her for a bit, get a blowjob, then walk her back home in the morning. If I didn't get any sex, is that still a "failure"? Well nah -- for one, I got a blowjob, so that's decent. But I also had an experience where I got to see what I did right, what I did wrong, etc. If you read material by other guys, most will tell you that they appreciate the "failures" more than the "successes," because they l…
/r/seduction08/07/13 04:38 AM
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I'm not a girl, but I lost my virginity in a one-night stand, and a few girls lost theirs to me in one-night stands. OP's situation sounds plausible as fuck.
/r/seduction02/07/13 03:35 PM
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Yeah, I mean -- my only real beef with your post is that the post itself added a ton of context, whereas "just be yourself" literally just means "be yourself." I'm sure a lot of the people giving that advice actually mean something more like "Just embrace yourself," or "Just embrace your positive qualities," but even then -- that wouldn't solve any problems for a basement-dwelling 30-year-old neckbeard who lives with his parents. That neckbeard still wouldn't find any success by being "himself."…
/r/seduction28/06/13 07:20 AM
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This is a good post. Like I said to another guy -- I think we can try something like this for a couple weeks and see how it goes. I'll mention it in a mod mail tomorrow. We're just worried because there's all kinds of shit that goes down "behind-the-scenes" that we've had to deal with, and it creates a shit-ton of work for the mods. But I don't see much harm in implementing it for a week or 2 and just seeing how it works.
/r/seduction28/06/13 07:07 AM
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It's definitely a decent idea, we're just worried about people using the flair for entirely different reasons (or just lying). Like you said, hopefully that wouldn't happen too often -- and honestly, it probably wouldn't happen that often. But I dunno. For all we know, it could end up being a constant issue, so the mods would have to be online as often as possible to constantly keep a check on things. Though maybe we can institute it for a week or 2 and see how it goes. I'll mention it in the mo…
/r/seduction28/06/13 07:04 AM
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But any thoughts on how to reduce the amount of blind-leading-blind that goes on? Honestly, nah, not really. Everything we've already considered in the past few years usually has more potential drawbacks than benefits, and like ThrowawayPUA bluntly stated, it'd just make much more work for the mods -- not only would it be more work, but it'd be pretty damn subjective, meaning we'd have to go through each user and "evaluate" them somehow. I already have a hard-enough time evaluating myself. I kno…
/r/seduction28/06/13 06:59 AM
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Like these guys said -- yeah, basically just treat him like a friend (do that with everyone). His whole goal with those comments was to lower your self-esteem, so you can simply just laugh and agree with him if you want (in doing so, you're showing that it had no effect). Or you can agree and amplify (like RaptahJezus said). Or you can completely ignore it, as if you didn't even hear it -- or better yet, act like you didn't hear it, and then say "What?" Get him to repeat it, but act like you sti…
/r/seduction28/06/13 06:35 AM
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The thing is, you obviously changed your attitude, right? So (if we're talking about the usual viewpoint of "just be yourself") you weren't actually "being yourself" anymore. You improved your mindset and basically became a "You 2.0." You actively worked to gain self-confidence instead of just being "yourself." Basically all I'm saying is that this sub generally totally agrees with your message, but I think most of us would still say you weren't exactly being "yourself" anymore, and that's why w…
/r/seduction28/06/13 06:23 AM
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This is the main thing that Mystery basically mastered. For the "higher" girls, he'd use negs because he knew they thought more highly of themselves, and he knew most guys just kissed their ass. Instead, he'd tease them and purposely try to make them feel a bit self-conscious, which probably wasn't a normal occurrence for them, and it made him stand out more. You don't have to use negs, but teasing is always good. More importantly though, stop thinking about them as being "different" in the firs…
/r/seduction28/06/13 06:05 AM
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The main thing about most older women (though 30 isn't very old, but 18 is usually considered pretty young in-comparison) is that they tend to have more experience all-around, and especially if you meet them at a bar or something, that's probably not the first bar they've been to. So they likely have more experience with flirting. Like I said though, 30 isn't that old, so it might not apply as much. But for a woman who's more like 35-40, part of her is gonna be "desperate" for some sexytimes, an…
/r/seduction28/06/13 05:34 AM
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We've discussed it a million times before. The main problem is that people lie -- secondary to that, the problem is that we don't want to ask for "proof", since not only would that be kinda weird, but people like myself don't even really have any "proof" to show. I don't usually take nude pics of a girl I'm fucking (and nude pics would probably be the most dependable "proof"). We could just give people the benefit of the doubt, but... I dunno man. I don't think it would work very well. We almost…
/r/seduction27/06/13 06:37 AM
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Yeah. For instance, I don't want my location being known (for the most part, though I'll sometimes mention it in certain cases -- like in a PM if I trust the person I'm messaging). So I just wouldn't participate in the post where you would submit your flair request. It's not like the mods here can just automatically tell where you're from (though the reddit admins can probably get a good idea, since they can see your IP address -- that's irrelevant though).
/r/seduction27/06/13 06:28 AM
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I agree with you -- CurveBall's just saying it'd probably be a bad idea to let people manually choose their flair (I actually didn't even know that was a possibility -- I don't think I've ever seen a sub that allows it. Not just that, but I literally don't know if it's possible. I think the mods are the ones who can assign flair to people. In some subs, you can request a certain flair, but even then, the mods have to approve it).
/r/seduction27/06/13 06:24 AM
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Eh, I think a lot of guys here are fine with it -- hell, ThrowawayPUA himself is using a "throwaway" account. It's mostly for guys like OP who are trying to find guys to sarge with. Since I'm not using a throwaway, I never mention the actual city I live in -- though sometimes I'll mention the general area. But a lot of guys here are using throwaways, and/or just don't really mind their location being known. Either way, this would be an optional thing -- if we were to do it, we'd make a post tell…
/r/seduction27/06/13 06:17 AM
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I think he just means something like you check the box in the sidebar that says "Show my flair on this subreddit" (though I doubt that's what he was actually talking about). But that would probably work fine. Either way, that box will automatically be checked, so it'll automatically show their location. So the people who choose to give out their location just need to remember that they can always uncheck that box at a later time if they don't want their location to be shown anymore.
/r/seduction27/06/13 06:11 AM
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Yeah. Beyond this, he doesn't need much -- if he wants people to appreciate his "decor", he should get cheap shit that matches, and/or add some posters that look nice (instead of buying the "standard" Dark Knight poster, you buy the "artsy" one that looks cooler). That's about it. If he's looking to go all-out Barney Stinson-style, then he can add trashcans to every bathroom, add a separate can for "other" things, add original paintings to the walls (hell, if you know a decent painter, have them…
/r/seduction26/06/13 05:45 AM
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As an alcoholic, I agree with you. Whether I drink beer, vodka, or just straight wine for the night, I don't tend to get diarrhea very often. Actually, more often than not, I get pretty constipated from it. Like ThePickupArts said though, it works differently for everyone, and you and I have just had different experiences with it.
/r/seduction26/06/13 05:36 AM
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I probably have thinner skin than most. I've been seeing a psychiatrist about anxiety issues. And I already saw one a few years ago. My "thick skin" is an illusion, Michael. Luck never played a role in anything -- if anything, I've generally had really bad luck. Either way, by letting things get to you, you're just creating a worse situation, regardless of whatever shit you've gone through, and regardless of your current situation. Even if you're in a "good" situation, you can't let random inter…
/r/seduction25/06/13 09:30 PM
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Well, that's kinda the point. Once you get to rock-bottom, you have nowhere to go but UP. Eventually, those open sores don't seem like much of an issue, and you just live life regardless. Try talking to a person with depression, who otherwise seems to have a decent life. It's not about getting "lucky," though I'm sure that would help -- it's about changing the entire perspective so that you no longer care about dumb shit like that. I can guarantee you I've been rejected more times than you have.…
/r/seduction25/06/13 09:05 PM
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Were people just kinda standing and nodding their heads to the music? In that situation (I haven't been in too many of those situations, but I've been in a handful), then yeah, don't make moves on the "dancefloor" if there's no dancefloor to begin with. Just enjoy the music, then make moves when you're in some other part of the place that isn't as loud. I've gone downtown to see various indie bands and blues bands before, and those aren't the best places for "pick-up," unless you move away from …
/r/seduction25/06/13 06:15 PM
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At a bar/club/party where the music is literally that loud, most people will be drunk anyway. But there's also a certain "subculture" associated with those situations, where random dancing/grinding is seen as being more acceptable (unless you're weird about it or the other person's just uptight about it). I'd describe the process as "constantly gauging the vibe." If you look at her and she smiles, that's a decent vibe right there. If you start walking over and she still doesn't seem to mind, tha…
/r/seduction25/06/13 05:13 PM
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You're drunk now, but yeah, your friends can go fuck themselves. To get experience in the first place, you need to make some attempts. If you don't, that's fine too, except you didn't make many attempts.
/r/seduction22/06/13 07:37 AM
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Instead of focusing on that individual interaction, I'll instead focus on other shit, so I'll end up saying like "Hold on, I gotta go talk to some other guys." What you'll notice is that you won't find yourself in too many situations where you'd have to turn to a girl and say "Aw shucks. Sorry!". You'll almost always be in a less "formal" situations than that, so you can literally say whatever you want. tl;dr -- if you don't want to hurt her feelings, than be nice about it. Either way, let her k…
/r/seduction22/06/13 07:05 AM
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It's hard for you "to distinguish being alpha and horndog" because you're afraid of crossing the line. The fear of crossing the line prevents you from doing things that you would've been doing, if you didn't have that fear. I can't give you any answer that tells you exactly where the line is at, and how to not cross it, because the line can be anywhere (depending on the person/situation). So, take some chances and cross some lines.
/r/seduction21/06/13 08:59 PM
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You won't find much more substance than that. It's just the way things work, for the most part. If you were someone with more experience at this point, you'd already know why your question was basically pointless. Not trying to knock you at all, just saying that guys with more experience will quickly notice why your whole perspective is "wrong" from the start.
/r/seduction21/06/13 07:32 AM
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Adding to this -- for some reason, I never received this comment, as far as I know -- usually the reason shit doesn't happen is because you're too cautious and don't want to cross any "boundaries," even in situations where those boundaries are already lowered, and where the girl would be much more receptive to shit in the first place. Since you're a guy who's viewing things from the standard guy perspective, your first natural thought is to question yourself. Stop doing that. At some point durin…
/r/seduction21/06/13 06:13 AM
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For what it's worth, I've gone out by myself much more often than I've gone out with friends. And usually when I do go out with friends, I still basically ditch them as soon as we enter the bar. I prefer to be alone, because that means I don't have to deal with any unexpected bullshit my friends might pull (and, most people won't care that you're alone -- even if they do ask about it, you can just say your friends went somewhere else or didn't want to go out, or if they're there with you, you ca…
/r/seduction21/06/13 04:22 AM
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There's restaurant-bars, and then there's bar-bars. The "bar-bars" only really function as bars. They might serve food, but their main function is to serve drinks and get people drunk. Which means, virtually everyone at a bar-bar is there to drink, not to get dinner or whatever shit. Which means they also don't tend to allow anyone in if they're under 21. If it legitimately felt pretty intimidating just to walk in, then maybe this bar is more of a "bar-bar," and just happened to have some tables…
/r/seduction21/06/13 03:47 AM
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All bars are different -- some follow local laws, some have their own policies, etc. Most restaurant-bars will allow people under 21 to be there, and this sounds like it's probably one of those places. So yeah, you can probably walk in and either sit at a table or at the bar, then just order something non-alcoholic. But in many places, bars won't allow anyone who's under 21 to even walk into the bar, and many restaurant-bars won't allow it after a certain time in the evening. They'll have people…
/r/seduction21/06/13 02:56 AM
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Yeah -- like I said, Mark Manson's advice is generally coming from a very similar viewpoint. He used to be part of the community, but he got fed up with some of the same bullshit you're talking about, and now he doesn't really associate with it anymore -- though he still gives advice. He did an AMA here a while back (and it was one of the best -- if not the best -- AMA we've had. You can find it in the sidebar). I do disagree with some of your points though -- I think a lot of the biggest factor…
/r/seduction21/06/13 02:41 AM
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IMO Tim's a bit better than both of them (or at least, I think his advice is more... reasonable and "natural" than theirs). Mark Manson's probably exactly what you're looking for. His book was called "Models." I'm not sure if he has any videos though. I think he's got a blog, at least. I'd say AFC Adam is kinda similar. Off the top of my head, I can't think of too many guys who fit exactly what you're talking about (though hopefully others can chime in here). For me, I prefer to date "girl-next-…
/r/seduction21/06/13 02:16 AM
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The mods don't condone it, but some good guys to look at (IMO) are Tim from RSD, AFC Adam, Mark Manson, Lovedrop has a pretty good video (just on youtube) that I've watched like 5 times, just to see it. Juggler has some good videos you can find if you look around. And... some other guys. I wish I had my old computer, because I had a whole list of resources. Edit: I often confuse "Juggler" with "Gambler." One of them has a really good video about body language, but I can't remember who it is. Eit…
/r/seduction21/06/13 01:56 AM
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Go to youtube and search "21convention," then just click on some of the longer videos you find. It's probably the best source of free content unless you download things illegally. It's just a convention where various PUAs and "men's interests" guys give hour-long (more or less) talks.
/r/seduction21/06/13 01:45 AM
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Maybe. There's really no way to know. You're describing a hypothetical, whereas OP is saying that it's worked fine for him in actual situations. I've never done it (and don't really plan to), so I'll never know. The most I can do is recognize the similarity to things I have done.
/r/seduction20/06/13 09:14 PM
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It's not really about attracting "types," but I generally get with girls who have a similar sense of humor.
/r/seduction20/06/13 09:08 PM
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For the part about pick-up lines (none of us here really support pick-up lines anyway), he said why they're bad, but then gave 2 "normal" ways to start a conversation that are actually mentioned here all the time. And they're "lines" themselves -- in fact, in this guy's case, they'd be part of his "strategy," which is weird because he just got done talking about how strategies are bad and don't often work. His third point (about outcome-independence) is good. The point after it (about not being …
/r/seduction20/06/13 08:00 PM
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It's like a basketball fan trying to join the NBA because they know a lot about basketball. They know plenty of strategies, but they don't actually play basketball, so they probably won't qualify for the NBA. They know a ton of hypotheticals, but since they've never actually played, they won't be a very good player. Likewise, a heterosexual man won't be very good for advice on how to pick up men, because he's never actually done it before -- he's only been on the receiving end of it (and even th…
/r/seduction20/06/13 05:55 PM
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The real problem with this is that most guys won't always text the "right" things. Sexual stuff is almost always good, when done right, but anything outside of that will be a toss-up unless you already know exactly what you're doing, in which case you won't be reading this thread, unless you're just giving advice. IMO, there's just way, way, way too many potential situations where you say something that's a turn-off, or "boring," or whatever. If the girl legitimately enjoys texting and she's the…
/r/seduction20/06/13 06:33 AM
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+3. This is a great post, and much more succinctly-worded than most I've seen. Whenever we get around to fixing up the sidebar/wiki, I'll definitely put this post in the "texting" section. The best part is the "But I Know Someone With Good Text Game!" section. Sure, good "text game" exists, just like good "negs" exist, but unless you have a shitload of experience, it's probably not gonna work the same way for you. You either don't understand the mindset, and/or don't understand the advice itself…
/r/seduction20/06/13 06:00 AM
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Depends on how it's presented. The way he phrased it wouldn't really work with my personality at all. The way I'd do it would be as more of a joke, where I just make shit up as I go along -- but I'll still make observations about her that end up being true, because it's cold-reading. You can make anything true when you phrase it a certain way. For example, you're kind of a rebel but you're very rational, moreso than a lot of your friends. You're a bit more introverted but sometimes you like to b…
/r/seduction19/06/13 04:53 PM
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I hardly ever bring up sex stuff in a "verbal" way. I usually just use eye contact and body language to set the tone.
/r/seduction18/06/13 05:24 AM
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I have a manly mancrush on him. What's great is that it's mostly actual improv. No other late night host can say the same. Conan and Letterman (and I'm sure Jimmy Fallon, though I don't watch him much) will often say a few improv'ed things, but 90% of it is scripted. Whereas for Ferguson, only like 50% is scripted (probably even less). He hardly ever looks at the prompter -- even when he does, it's only to check the subject matter, and then he immediately looks away and just starts talking about…
/r/seduction18/06/13 05:14 AM
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I'm the same way. In my personal opinion, it's not a big deal -- and if you can still remember the experience the next day, then it's a good learning experience to figure out where the boundaries are. Don't ever "call it a night." Instead, just try to pace your drinking a bit better, and try to drink some more water between other drinks. IMO it's almost always good to have a bit of a buzz -- and can often be good to be totally drunk, as long as you're like me and you, where we can physically han…
/r/seduction18/06/13 04:52 AM
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I usually don't do much sexual banter (or sexual talk of any kind) unless someone else brings it up first. IMO it's too blunt, usually. Instead, I'll use kino + eye contact + body language as my "sexual banter." We could be talking about the most mundane thing in the world, but I'll be gradually moving closer to you, sliding a hand across your back (briefly, and for no real reason), giving you the "sex eyes," while also looking down at your mouth like 1000 times. At some point, I'll just lean in…
/r/seduction18/06/13 04:45 AM
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IMO, "maturity" is overrated. Show her a good time and get a good vibe going, then make some moves. Also, your best bet is to figure out where all the post-game parties are at. Don't ever think of it as a "competition," because you'll always lose, in some regard. Even when you "win," then you gotta deal with the pressure that comes with it. Instead, drop that whole idea, and you won't have that pressure to begin with. Like I said though, the main thing is to get a good vibe going, then make move…
/r/seduction18/06/13 04:34 AM
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Agreed. It's not good advice for any noobies (unless their issue is that they're too talkative). Usually in threads like this, most people give the opposite response, by saying the "strong, silent" thing generally isn't a good approach unless you're really attractive -- even then, it's still not the best approach. We all know James Bond is an awesome dude, but he's also a fictional character. It's similar to how in chick flicks, the guy will do some things that "earn" the woman's love, but if a …
/r/seduction18/06/13 03:56 AM
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It probably largely depends on the area. My hometown was a pretty diverse area, so everyone and their mother smoked cigarillos (and cigarettes, but you'd see cigarillo filters on the ground everywhere you went). In the town I mostly grew up in, they weren't as common, so it was kinda "cool" to be smoking one. In the various college towns I've lived in, not only was the area more diverse, but there were also a bunch of white-ass college kids who thought it was "cool" (even though they'd never smo…
/r/seduction17/06/13 05:14 AM
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Check my edit. I didn't really add anything, just gave some more context about why I agree with you.
/r/seduction17/06/13 05:05 AM
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No, I agree with that too. You definitely don't often see younger people smoking them just randomly -- there's almost always a reason for it. Even for most older guys, there's a reason for it. Plus, cigars are big and bulky, they're much smellier than cigarettes, etc. It does look weird if some 20-year-old is walking around town randomly smoking one (granted, it shouldn't look too weird, but that's just the way it is). I think OP's just forgetting that his nice cigarillo will only be recognized …
/r/seduction17/06/13 04:51 AM
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He's not talking about "regular" cigarillos. Romeo y Juliet is a legit cigar brand that also happens to make cigarillos. Either way, I agree with you, because most people will see what it looks like and assume it's one of the cheap ones (Black & Milds or whatever. Granted, those taste delicious -- but yeah, they tend to make you look kinda trashy).
/r/seduction17/06/13 04:13 AM
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I have the same problem all the time (though now it's 1000x better than it used to be). The way it usually starts is that some of your commonalities are already inherent (you're both in the same place right now, likely for pretty similar reasons, you might be walking in the same direction, or even headed to the same spot). That's like 10 potential convos right there, if we include shit about the weather or other random topics that strangers tend to talk about. Some of my best relationships were …
/r/seduction17/06/13 03:02 AM
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Personally, I wouldn't even ask. But if it's what you want to do, then yeah, that sounds fine. Though I'd rephrase it to something more like "Would you have a problem if I dated X?" The way you phrased it kinda makes it sound like you're expecting him to be upset, like you already know it's a big issue. Phrasing it more nonchalantly will probably get a more straight-forward answer from him.
/r/seduction17/06/13 02:45 AM
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If I had to give a "rule" to the guy about dating friends' exes, my only real rule would be "If she's his most recent ex, wait at least a few weeks before you start getting more serious with her." Because everyone needs some time to heal. That's about it. Anything beyond that, you're basically closing yourself off to any potential relationship with any girl who's dated anyone in your social circle -- since they're your friends right? And according to everyone in this thread, you can't date a fri…
/r/seduction16/06/13 05:33 AM
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If you were to follow something like Mystery Method (assuming you had an awesome memory), you could technically pre-plan an entire interaction (from start to bed). Since most of us can't do that though, it's better to just listen to what she says, and draw from that. If she says her name's Katelyn, you can ask/comment about the name itself. Or you can just say "cool" and move on. For complete strangers, I usually start with small talk, but other people like to go direct and basically say "I saw …
/r/seduction16/06/13 04:51 AM
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The moral (from Strauss's POV) was that pick-up is ultimately kind of a shitty way to do things. He used it to get a girlfriend, and then "left" the community. But he was also trying to tell a good story, and IMO that's the main reason he came to those conclusions at the end. In reality, he broke up with that girlfriend and went back to the community -- which, if we judge the book as truth, is something he never would've done. So IMO, definitely listen to some of the decent advice from the book.…
/r/seduction16/06/13 04:36 AM
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I disagree with (what appears to be) pretty much everyone in this thread. I have no clue why so many comments disapprove. This girl isn't even the most recent ex-gf (in which case I would've said to just be cautious about it). And it sounds like it's been a while since they broke up. A bunch of the responders here just seem like they had some really bad personal experience with it -- sucks to be them I guess. As I said in another comment, this shit is normal when you're in the same friend group …
/r/seduction16/06/13 04:28 AM
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Yeah, I have no fuckin clue why these comments are all getting upvoted so much. Shit, she's not even the most recent ex! Even if she was, I'd say there's usually a bit of a waiting period so you can let your friend get over it a bit -- then go for it, unless you really think he'll break off the friendship just because he's a little bitch. Growing up, my best friend and I always hung out with the same people (for the most part). Naturally, we hung out with the same girls. Naturally, we dated some…
/r/seduction16/06/13 04:15 AM
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Either way, play up that mutual friendship -- at least when you have access to a phone again. Make some sort of joke about one of the friends and go from there. She'll hopefully respond, and then you can do whatever you want -- either stay on that same conversation, or turn it into something else. At least then, you have some options. Right now (without a phone), your only option is to send another FB message, and that'll just make you look weird.
/r/seduction11/06/13 07:46 PM
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If she's a girl from your school, don't you have some ties to her through mutual friends?
/r/seduction11/06/13 07:22 PM
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I see it now: Second-degree sexual assault to have sexual intercourse with a person between ages 13 and 16 if the actor is more than two years older So an 18-year-old can fuck a 16-year-old, but a 19-year-old can't. I should check the laws again, because I don't remember seeing too many where that was the case. IIRC, if the age of consent is 16, then that's all there is to it, for most states. A 99-year-old could fuck them (though could still be charged for other reasons). I could be wrong thoug…
/r/seduction11/06/13 05:03 PM
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That's my bad then. I'm probably thinking of a different law. As soon as you mentioned "11," I knew that was the number. In CT, would you be charged because of the age difference? Like, a 16-year-old could fuck a 20-year-old, but 21 would be off-limits?
/r/seduction11/06/13 04:57 PM
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Your other point was good though, and based on some of the votes on various comments, I think most people here just automatically assume that 18 is the age of consent. 18 is the age of consent in like 5 states. Otherwise, it's either 17 or 16. Even in places where 18 is the age of consent, some of those states also have Romeo and Juliet laws, which allow people who are close in age to have sex, even if the younger person is technically under the age of consent. As far as I know, California is th…
/r/seduction11/06/13 04:29 PM
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Yeah -- if that's the case, I agree that it'd be stupid to keep it going in the first place. If a girl literally stands you up, that's a pretty shitty thing to do, even if you don't like the person or care about them. If, by some random happenstance, I end up setting up a date with a fat girl who has down's syndrome, I'll still go on the date and be friendly. That's really just common courtesy. Hell, if a fat girl with down's walked past me on the street and said hi, I'd say hi back and be frien…
/r/seduction11/06/13 04:18 PM
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For me, the answer was to get drunk to the point where I didn't care anymore. I wouldn't exactly recommend it, but I kinda recommend it. I guess all I can say is that if you're already grinding with a girl, then you already know she's cool with that. If she's cool with rubbing her ass all over your dick, she'll probably be cool with you putting your hands closer to her pussy, and/or putting your head closer to hers, etc. Some girls won't be, but those girls are weird -- ignore them. For everyone…
/r/seduction11/06/13 04:08 PM
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If I spent all my time comparing myself to TofuTofu (which is exactly what I did when I met him in SanFran), I'd never get laid. Don't think about it in the context of what other people experience, just focus on having a good time. Don't think of it as "work." Failure will still be "failure," but it's also a chance to reflect on what might've gone wrong, and to do things differently next time. For instance: if you're getting rejected pretty immediately, then something's probably wrong with your …
/r/seduction11/06/13 04:03 PM
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Like InState said, a lot of the rules don't really apply in high school, because both of you are basically guaranteed to have less experience, just in general. If she has less experience, then there's no need to wait 3 days to text, there's no need to push for sex, etc. A lot of it's different because the whole dynamic will be different. And usually -- at least from what I've seen in high school -- you're usually gonna be pushing for a gf/bf relationship (meaning if you guys don't hit it off pre…
/r/seduction11/06/13 03:51 PM
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That doesn't apply to pictures. Any nude pic of a minor counts as CP unless it's "art" or unrelated to porn.
/r/seduction11/06/13 03:32 PM
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In addition to what these guys have said -- if your friends are anything like mine, they'd probably take every opportunity to mock you for it. Not in a mean-spirited way, necessarily, just in a jokey way. But from your end, that's not a good thing, and you don't want it to happen, so you don't approach. For me usually, I either separate from my friends when we get to the bar, and/or I make little bets with them about what I can accomplish (not for real money -- I'll just say "I bet I can get tha…
/r/seduction11/06/13 03:27 PM
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The fundamentals don't really change, but various other aspects probably will. I think a certain amount of "complacency" is to be expected, and probably even a good thing. You don't wanna be waking up anxious every day because you're still trying to "hook" a girl who already likes you (or even loves you). At the same time though, you can't get too complacent about it, and you shouldn't really change your personality at any point. Your personality should've been authentic to begin with, and shoul…
/r/seduction11/06/13 03:20 PM
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IMO, it's pretty subjective. The way I usually invite girls to parties is by inviting like 10-15 girls at once, on the same day/night as the party (I know it's sudden, so I don't blame anyone for not showing up). Some respond, some don't. Some who respond affirmatively will show up, some won't. Next week, when there's another party, I'll do the exact same thing. I won't hold it against various girls for flaking, because god knows I flake on things pretty often too (though I'm mainly just referri…
/r/seduction11/06/13 03:14 PM
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Not just that (your example was a good reason why you shouldn't give a shit, but you won't always be in situations where it's that "lenient"), but I know it's harder when you're with a group, especially if a seemingly judgmental guy/girl asks you who you're with -- and that's the best time to just casually say "I'm here by myself," or just blow off the question. The person who asks the question in a serious manner is almost always the person who's projecting their own insecurity. The rest of the…
/r/seduction09/06/13 12:51 AM
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Tofu's taller than you, granted, but when I met him at a bar in San Fran, he basically owned the room. The rest of us (some other seddit guys were there) just kinda watched him do his thing. I don't think any of us had any "success" that night, but we all had a great time. And he was more overweight than basically every guy there -- everyone else was comparatively "skinny." He was tall, so that still might've been a factor in some regard, but the main difference was his talkativeness and his ope…
/r/seduction09/06/13 12:14 AM
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He's got some good ones. The only reason he's not still a mod right now is because he's doing this. The mods don't want to express support for any certain PUA/material. But in general, all I can say is that Tofu knows what he's talking about.
/r/seduction09/06/13 12:07 AM
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I'm usually honest and just say I'm by myself. Whether I'm on vacation, or hanging out with my dad, or my friends ditched me, I just give that as a reason, and I don't act ashamed at all for it. That's about it. Like he said, most people won't care anyway, and even when they ask, you can usually just give a short answer and move on to something else. If they stay on that topic, there's a good chance you just seem really uncomfortable in general, so that's what you need to work on.
/r/seduction09/06/13 12:05 AM
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Agreed. I only mentioned the threesome situation because there will be times where you can explicitly mention it -- it'll be later in the interaction, and you need to already know the girl's open to doing shit. Like you said though, Dizzy's line wouldn't even be good in that situation. It can work fine, but it's not the best way to do things. I was merely saying that if a husband and wife were trying to set up a threesome, it'd probably be better for them to be pretty "open" about it. That way, …
/r/seduction06/06/13 07:13 AM
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Most of those guys probably came with the girls (so don't mind them), and some were simply more confident about it. Just like with grinding itself, you just kinda act like you know what you're doing. Expect a positive reaction, and you'll probably get one. Don't get too cocky, but some cockiness is usually a good thing. Just train your mind to start seeing things differently, and see the "approach" as if it's just part of your daily routine (like brushing your teeth). It's just something you do.…
/r/seduction06/06/13 07:01 AM
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I kinda agree, but at the same time I think the percentages at least help to show people who have issues that it's not exactly about what you say, but how you say it. Colbert recently had Clinton on the show to talk about random shit, and from what I saw (I only saw bits and pieces), Clinton never said anything new or profound, but he had a manner of conveying things that made the audience clap for him, like every single sentence. And it was at a college, so they probably didn't have any "applau…
/r/seduction06/06/13 06:12 AM
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You should give some more info (and normally, you should post this type of question on r/askseddit). What'd you do in your room, and did anything happen while dancing? nice_name's advice is good. I think he's assuming you're out of high school, but I'd assume you're not. Either way, just tailor his advice to your situation. More importantly, are you talking about "next time" you see this girl, or are you talking about "next time" you're in your room with a girl?
/r/seduction06/06/13 05:44 AM
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For behind-the-back grinding, I just kinda "nuzzle" around her cheek/neck, making her turn her face toward me (if she likes it), and then I'll kiss her -- then she usually turns around to make it easier.
/r/seduction06/06/13 05:35 AM
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I've grinded (ground?) plenty of times before, but IMO no, there's not really any sort of "skill" to it. At least for guys, we can basically just kinda stand there, moving to the music a bit, while thrusting our dick out at her ass. That's about it. If people want to get more "dance-y" with it, that's their prerogative, but I'm just like you: I don't really know what the fuck I'm doing. That doesn't seem to matter though. Last time I did this the girl walked away from me. I must be a bad dancer …
/r/seduction06/06/13 05:32 AM
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I wouldn't worry about it. I disagree with what Dizzy said, because I honestly don't think her example would really work in a real-life situation (at least, not when you first meet someone). I mean, unless they're showing a shitload of interest right off the bat -- then it might be fine. If not though, that'd be a really weird convo to have if you haven't actually done anything yet. I'd imagine girls might say stuff like that a bit more often than guys do (if ever). It'd be one thing to say "Hey…
/r/seduction06/06/13 05:17 AM
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I already replied to you, but yeah, I agree. I've never had that type of convo with someone beforehand, and frankly, I don't really even understand how people could have that convo beforehand. IMO it'd just be really fuckin weird. You already aren't sure what's gonna happen, so why the hell would you be telling the other person what's about to happen?? Especially when they probably don't know either. I guess if a guy's just extremely confident (or in this case, a bit conceited), he could pull it…
/r/seduction06/06/13 05:07 AM
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Agreed. In my entire life, I don't think I've ever had that sort of conversation before anything really happened. And I don't think any girl would've really appreciated that type of conversation. There are some ways to show that you're just interested in a fling (namely body language, how sexual you get, etc.), but even then, it's pretty much a toss-up. What you hope to find is a girl who's handling herself similarly, so you guys will be on a similar page with everything. Even then... it's a tos…
/r/seduction06/06/13 04:56 AM
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Alright. Your intentions were fine, but you fucked up at the very beginning, and that influenced everything else. I expect someone who says he'll do the work tomorrow to actually do it tomorrow. We were just friendly at the time, I teased her a bit, but nothing really there. That's fine. Not great, but what else could you expect? she'd been dropping hints about wanting to see something showing at the museum, or seeing a movie. I emailed her a few days later and asked her to go see a film. I love…
/r/seduction05/06/13 04:55 PM
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Sorry about the late response. The way I see it, your attachment issues are coming from an overall lack of experience. You're getting experience now, sure, but it's new to you. Essentially, you end up wanting what you can't have, and even if a girl was an ugly crazy bitch, you still develop attachment even after they leave. That's normal for people who have less experience (the first girlfriend is usually the hardest to get over, etc. -- even if it was a shitty 3rd grade "relationship"), and it'…
/r/seduction05/06/13 01:42 PM
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You solved absolutely nothing, and if you don't start saying better shit, I have half a mind to ban you. The other half is waiting on the other mods to agree. A woman has to wake up every morning and put concerted effort into being unattractive to require something like fPUA, which is an insult to male self improvement in the first place, and shouldn't be promoted by this sub, but that's another story.. What?! Don't be fat. Don't be old. Go to club. Exist. Profit. I just solved all female self i…
/r/seduction29/05/13 08:06 AM
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Most of this sounds like bullshit coming from someone who's never actually been with many girls before. If a woman is ugly, there is no redeeming factor there, her shining personality is not going to make me hard...men ask one thing of women: be hot. If you can't do that, what worth she? I've dated some girls who didn't fit your standards, and some were great in bed, had great personalities, and were generally cool people. You might be as shallow as you sound, but from what I've seen, most guys …
/r/seduction29/05/13 07:28 AM
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For me, a girl with a "sexy" attitude is just as hot as a "9." By "sexy" though, I don't mean that she mentions sex a lot, I just mean that her general "vibe" is sexy (kino, eye contact, shit like that). If she can do those things while still keeping me guessing, that's the hottest shit anyone could do. Even worse is if she rejects me, but being who I am, I'll probably still try to win her over if I think she's worth it. Like I said though, that just applies to me. Other guys might feel differen…
/r/seduction29/05/13 07:15 AM
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Yeah -- OP, Wygant's probably the best for that. The movie "Hitch" was based on him. He's a cool guy and he knows what he's talking about.
/r/seduction29/05/13 07:08 AM
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Use situational cues to start a convo. If there's something on TV in the background, make a comment about the show. If the girl's wearing something cutesy/stylish, make a comment about that. If she's shy/quiet, tease her about it. Even if you're being shy yourself, the whole vibe changes if you tease her about it. When worse comes to worst, I just tease a lot -- in a case where 2 random girls show up, I'll talk to the one I like and say something like "Your friend's really cute. Is she single?" …
/r/seduction29/05/13 04:53 AM
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You won't be able to find much. I think there's an r/fPUA, but I can't speak to how "good" it is as a source. It might be decent though, so check it out. In terms of videos, you won't find much of anything. There's simply no market for shit like that. You can still give her some general advice, but like you said, don't ask a fish how to catch a fish. The best thing she can do is find a more-experienced girl who's willing to give advice.
/r/seduction29/05/13 04:37 AM
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Therapy's great if you find the right therapist. You can be totally "healthy" and can still benefit from a therapist -- if you have the money/means. There are many different "types" of therapy, so it might depend on which "type" you do, but mine was basically just a situation where I sat down and talked to a guy like once a week for probably 10 weeks or so. He'd listen to me, he'd generally support whatever I said, and he'd give advice at certain points. That was about it. I'd been expecting som…
/r/seduction29/05/13 04:05 AM
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I don't disagree about this post itself, but I disagree with your larger point. I think the reason this became marketable is because people were willing to pay for advice. For them, shit just wasn't that easy, and they were willing to pay money to get better at it. At this point, people are willing to drop like 3 grand on a bootcamp, because that's how not easy it is for them. If they had your same attitude, they'd never pay that kind of money (or any money). Hell, this sub probably wouldn't exi…
/r/seduction29/05/13 03:49 AM
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If you have a cookie to spare, then... yes, sir, I'd like one.
/r/seduction28/05/13 10:25 PM
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Bullshit. Say whatever you want -- I don't get any sort of "thrill" from saying "nigga," nor did I ever really care in the first place. It was simply a word I used in a community where white people were a minority. Like I've already said, a few black guys didn't like it, and around them, I wouldn't use it. Around everyone else, I'd use it, because I knew nothing else. It was just a term of endearment. If it pisses you off, I apologize. I never meant it to be negative. I grew up in a neighborhood…
/r/seduction28/05/13 10:16 PM
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If you don't want to discuss anything, that's fine. I don't see how it helps you at all, but ignorance is bliss.
/r/seduction28/05/13 09:54 PM
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You're taking offense where none is being given. If you continue down that path, I wish you the best of luck. I don't blame you for anything, just saying that you're looking for "vengeance" in a case where none is really relevant. I think we both agree that the first mention warrants an approach. And if it happened again, that'd be an issue -- most likely (this is all assuming that "nigga" was originally said in some sort of negative tone). You said that I'd "get hurt," except like I said, I've …
/r/seduction28/05/13 09:29 PM
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Other people do use the term, though. And from what I'm hearing, you've likely never started a fight just from hearing a white guy say "nigga." That was kinda my point. When it does offend people, you won't see any white guys using that term. But when it doesn't, then who gives a shit. If they're using it in a bad way, they deserve to get their asses kicked, but if they're just using it because it's a common term for them, then it's not really insulting to you in the first place. Even if it is, …
/r/seduction28/05/13 08:17 PM
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I grew up in a suburb of Chicago. I'm not talking about going around and randomly saying "nigga," I'm talking about doing it where the situation kinda calls for it. Trust me though, as a random white guy who's used the term for most of his life, most black guys don't have a problem with it. All it takes is for one person to get offended -- that's true. As it stands though, virtually all of those people were white. I got called out once by a black friend at the university I went to, but he quickl…
/r/seduction28/05/13 07:13 PM
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I think you guys are overestimating the danger. Some crazy guy might attack you for it, but then again, some crazy guy might attack you anyway. I grew up in a town where the majority was black, and everyone used "nigga" as a term of endearment -- white or black. Maybe in a suburb, the white people might care (because they're idiots, and feel the need to represent black people) -- in an actual ghetto though? No, nobody will give much of a shit. If you do a good job, they'll appreciate it. How do …
/r/seduction28/05/13 06:06 PM
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No doubt, but that's after the initial introduction. If a girl's reading a book by an author I recognize, my "opener" will be about the author, which makes things more personal right off the bat. If she's just randomly walking down the street, I don't have that. I can usually think of something, but it'll be pretty random. I'll ask where she's headed, which will usually be near where I'm headed, so that will be the commonality. And I usually can't build much from that, beyond asking her about he…
/r/seduction28/05/13 05:24 PM
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You gotta learn the cripwalk. I can only do a few moves myself, and I generally hate dancing, but the cripwalk is more like an actual exercise, and it looks really cool when you can do a full set. Then at the end you get to "dust off" your shoes, which usually leads to cheering from the crowd. And it's much more fitting in a club, where most people are just grinding on each other. I don't have the patience to learn it, but I'd assume you probably do. Salsa can make you look cool, but in the aver…
/r/seduction28/05/13 05:14 PM
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Even when I do go out with friends, I become a "lone wolf" as soon as we get inside. I still go back to them every so often, but otherwise, I do my own thing. Most of my friends are pretty cool and are at least decent with girls themselves, but in some cases, they'd ruin the vibe by saying dumb shit, and in other cases, they'd steal my thunder by being more attractive and generally more interesting than I am. The only real purpose they serve is to motivate me -- and they can easily do that while…
/r/seduction28/05/13 05:00 PM
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I'll look at the rest in a sec, but what popped out to me was the mention of day game vs. night game. For a guy like me, day game is much, much, much more difficult than night game, unless I'm in a particular mood. Night game just feels much more natural to me, and IMO is much easier. I go out with some friends, get a bit drunk, talk to some girls, and that's really all there is to it. Whereas with day game, I need to show myself as being a pretty confident/cool guy in a situation where I normal…
/r/seduction28/05/13 04:32 PM
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Yeah, that sounds good. I'll admit, I'm not a very "deep" person, so stuff like that usually isn't something I'd ever care enough about to consider. But yeah -- like when she's wearing brown, and her dress is pretty tame, then it's obvious that she's not really trying to get "noticed," meaning she's probably a bit shy in general. Also might be a bit prude. Whereas if she's wearing highlighter yellow, she wants people to notice her -- and in the context of a bar/club/party, she does want to get n…
/r/seduction28/05/13 04:15 PM
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I just realized you asked about her being interesting, not interested. I thought you said interested, so my response was a reply to that. In terms of whether she's interesting, it's still basically the same idea. You tease her to find out if she's "interesting" enough to banter with you. And/or you try for a "deeper" conversation, and if she's interesting, it will make itself known, just based on how she talks and what she talks about.
/r/seduction28/05/13 04:02 PM
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For me usually, I either bail, or play it cool and just wait it out, or I go all-in and tease her like there's no tomorrow (and sometimes take it too far). For me personally, I don't judge anyone with a Gucci bag (it's a popular brand, lots of girls have it, so it doesn't say too much about their character -- not inherently, at least), but it's still a possible sign that they might be a bit stuck-up/bitchy. So in a situation like that, I might be more inclined to just bail and find someone else,…
/r/seduction28/05/13 03:51 PM
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When I was in San Fran I saw some of the RSD guys -- only briefly, and I only talked to one of them for a few minutes, but I saw Jeffy walk into the bar, then immediately leave. I think they were doing a bootcamp and he didn't like the vibe of the bar we were at. I was there with TofuTofu and some other sedditors, who told me that they see those guys all the time. It's pretty cool seeing them in person, because you notice that they're just pretty normal guys (some humble, some douchey, but all p…
/r/seduction28/05/13 03:34 PM
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He had a girlfriend for a while, and they had a kid together. But I think they broke up a couple years ago.
/r/seduction28/05/13 03:27 PM
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It should be noted that most (probably all) of these guys have been trained by body language coaches. The girl who trained Obama also trained David Cameron. Granted, I'm sure they were all already pretty good with their body language (I doubt Obama got much training prior to being president), but still, some of those coaches are great at what they do. They're the same people who train guys like Brad Pitt. David Cameron paid Obama's trainer like 70,000 bucks to fly in to London 4 times to coach h…
/r/seduction28/05/13 03:23 PM
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That she's smart and interesting. Instead of complimenting her physical looks, it'd be better to compliment her cool shoes/shirt/hair/shitlikethat. If anything, it'd be better to tease her about her looks (not too harshly, obviously -- unless you feel like it). She's been hearing about her eyes/smile her whole life, so that kind of compliment doesn't mean anything to her. Not only have guys like you already said it before, but she's also heard it from huge pervs and total douchebags before. You …
/r/seduction28/05/13 03:08 PM
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You did great, but you still fucked up by not escalating at all. It's cool that your date ended in a kiss, but dude, it should've been so much more! You already knew the girl, and already should've been in her panties before that point. You're good to go either way, and my only advice would be to play it up when you text her. Still let her remember the situation, but be cool about it. That's it. Let her do the rest. Shit's gonna work out in your favor as long as you play it cool. Invite her back…
/r/seduction27/05/13 05:38 AM
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Learn to accept the fact that everyone else has those same thoughts. Nobody's really watching you specifically. They will, sometimes, but so will you. You'll be watching some of those same people for the same reasons. Being drunk is a big help, but even then -- just pay attention to how you view certain people when you're drunk. You still hate that random guy who went and pissed on the bag game. At the same time, you wouldn't necessarily blame a girl for doing the same. Recognize the difference,…
/r/seduction27/05/13 01:23 AM
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Sounds pretty perfect to me. The top comment is saying that she picked you up, and I largely disagree. You did everything right here -- you still messed up some other shit, but that wasn't an issue. I do the same on a daily basis. All of the little points you hinted at were really good points -- kino fast, then push/pull a bit, then just respond to whatever she's doing. And that's what you did. Her friends didn't care because you already seemed like a cool guy, and nobody else cared for the same…
/r/seduction27/05/13 01:11 AM
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IMO, like Nailpolished said, you shouldn't really change yourself in how you interact with a "shy" girl. So on that point, she's right -- though she's wrong on most other points. You usually don't need to act any differently around certain girls, whether they're "shy," or "slutty," or whatever. Like you said though, you still need to calibrate. Calibration is tricky, because the whole point of it is that it's not something you can read in a book. You can only learn it through experience. Having …
/r/seduction26/05/13 09:13 PM
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Who the hell looks at ankles first to see if someone has a nice figure? The figure pretty much speaks for itself. And based on your own "theory," why would girls prefer "skinny and 5'10""? Skinny and 5'10" means the dude probably has a flat ass. At least if he's muscular, the ass will likely be a bit bigger (or at least more defined). A skinny ass isn't gonna mean anything. "Dumpy" isn't good, for sure, but I highly doubt "skinny" is any better in terms of... whatever it is you're referring to. …
/r/seduction26/05/13 06:39 PM
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There was a study done at some point (probably multiple studies, and I'm too lazy to google, so you guys can check yourselves) showing that women generally have much better peripheral vision than men. They're able to "see" things out of the corners of their eyes much better than we can (on average, at least). Although -- when I was much healthier and bigger (in a good way), I did get checked-out somewhat often. Not really on the street, but if I walked into a place like a restaurant, I'd notice …
/r/seduction26/05/13 06:32 PM
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That doesn't seem like a very good idea. They'd be wasting money when they could easily just tell the person to leave. Better yet, they could make "friends" with the person and stop them from drinking so much, thus calming them down. At the bar I usually go to, that's what they usually do. Making someone a "strong" drink is basically the last thing you'd want to do, unless you can already guess that the extra alcohol will incapacitate them.
/r/seduction23/05/13 08:29 PM
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For me, /r/hardbodies isn't even relevant. In my high school, most of the softball girls were already popular just for being hot, and they mostly joined softball since their friends were already in it. Like I said, some were still pretty big girls, but the rest were pretty normal, and attractive. It was similar with the volleyball girls (they all tended to be taller, but with much larger legs). At least in my school, I don't think anyone was really attracted to their "physique" -- they were attr…
/r/seduction23/05/13 05:39 PM
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From everything I've heard, it might be a bad idea to ask for a mojito or a mint julep, because they both require more work (which is to be expected of a bartender, but they still probably won't enjoy doing it unless you're talking to them and making it more fun). Don't just ask for it, but also make sure to tease them a bit, bet them that they can't make a good one, and pay a bit extra either way. Then again, if you're already in Kentucky, then yeah, the bartender probably just sucks in general…
/r/seduction23/05/13 05:18 PM
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Obviously -- we just don't think it helps as much as some people claim. I've heard many stories where the supposed added testerone made the guy more desperate, which negatively affected him. It's great that he was more "horny," but if he was also more desperate, then that's still a problem. I also don't think a 47% spike in testosterone is all that much (and that's just the highest outcome, not the average). I'm already pretty sure my testosterone levels are pretty low, so bringing them from 100…
/r/seduction23/05/13 04:53 PM
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Yep. Obviously the best place for this is a downtown area. Doesn't really work for the suburbs or rural areas. For those, I'd say just go to the mall/starbucks/bookstore and hope you're not hitting on high schoolers. Bookstore's the best IMO -- everything's "chill," nobody's really "busy" (like they might be at a mall), and plenty of people are just kinda browsing or sitting down and not doing anything too important. Coffee shops are the same, if you're talking to girls who will be staying for a…
/r/seduction23/05/13 03:58 PM
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Our high school team had some of the hottest girls in the school (also some of the ugliest, but still). If I were to rank the teams in order of general hotness, it went: Dance Cheerleading Softball Volleyball Basketball Soccer/swim team The top 3 were all pretty similar, and a lot of the girls were in 2 out of the 3 (since they had different seasons). After softball, there was a major drop-off. I think it's largely because volleyball, basketball, and soccer/swim girls were actually devoted to th…
/r/seduction23/05/13 03:45 PM
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Despite what everyone here is saying, I approach from behind more often than not. I'll still usually try to make some sort of eye contact before just randomly grabbing her, but that's not always a possibility. Some girls in groups won't want to dance with guys, but from what I've seen, the large majority are still open to it. So I'll just approach from behind with a confident smile on my face (to show that I'm not a threat or anything), and grind like normal. I don't know what the social situati…
/r/seduction23/05/13 02:38 PM
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We're not huge fans. The mods agree that it's mostly just placebo effect. Some study was done showing that your testosterone levels do rise when you abstain from masturbating, but the effects reach their peak at the 7-day mark (up to a 47% increase), and then drop back to normal. Also IMO, testosterone isn't exactly a necessary factor. I also like to wack off before going out so I can last longer during sex, which to me is much more important. I don't feel too strongly about it though. If somebo…
/r/seduction22/05/13 03:19 PM
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Yeah. Trust me, Tofu's a pretty big guy in general. He's not obese or anything, but he's a guy who most girls would ignore, if he didn't do some extra shit. When I first went out with some seddit guys in San Fran, one of them mentioned that Tofu would be there. So I walked around the bar, and ran into a guy who randomly introduced himself to me. I forget what happened next, but by the end of the night, we were sitting next to each other and ordering beers for the other sedditors at the bar. Just…
/r/seduction21/05/13 06:26 AM
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I'd guess he's about 6'0"-6'2". So, taller than you, right? Except, he's also taller than me, so how do I keep fucking girls?
/r/seduction21/05/13 05:49 AM
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He is. TofuTofu isn't fat, by any means, but he's definitely a big guy. He probably weighs about 250-260. He still has plenty of muscle, but he's not "strong". But yeah, Tofu has always been overweight, so he's probably a bit heavy right now (250-270, is my guess). Tofu himself can answer your questions about it. I can too, but it'll be from a more general perspective.
/r/seduction21/05/13 03:26 AM
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I'll mention, just for shits and giggles -- TofuTofu is overweight, by 50 pounds at least. He's not exactly a "great-looking" guy, yet he makes shit happen. He's just really confident at those times where most guys aren't. If he can do it, I know I can, and you should too.
/r/seduction21/05/13 02:56 AM
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Agreed. Most nights when I'm just having fun, that's exactly what happens -- and that's all that happens. If I go to the bar just to talk to friends and play darts with them, that's all we're gonna do -- nobody's gonna be hopping on my dick for it. If I go to a party and own shit in beer pong all night, that's fine (and it's plenty of fun), but no girls are gonna be flocking to me. There always comes a point where I need to start making shit happen, usually by actively talking to girls and flirt…
/r/seduction20/05/13 04:07 PM
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Not only that, but actually tussling someone's hair is a good tease if you're cool about it. Who cares if she gets mad? Just be cool about it and she probably won't stay mad for very long. Assuming you do it right, it'll make you seem more attractive to her. When someone constantly gives and gives (in the form of compliments, or "chivalry," or actual gifts), it's not gonna have anywhere near as much of an impact. When someone gives, then takes, then gives again, the "giving" usually has a much b…
/r/seduction20/05/13 03:31 PM
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The most important thing is to implement the ideas you hear about. Study without implementation is basically just masturbation. Study with implementation is actual knowledge. I can read about how to do an oil change, but I still wouldn't really know how to do it until I've done it. I just put up a trampoline the other day -- I checked out the manual like 5 times just to get a good idea of how shit works, laid everything out in specific spots so I could reach things more easily, etc. Yet when I a…
/r/seduction20/05/13 03:05 PM
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I think it's more because she said "be yourself." That's the "advice" that tends to be given by anyone who doesn't really understand what they're saying. If an antisocial neckbeard was to "be himself," he'd get about zero women. Being "himself" probably wouldn't be the best option for him. Whereas, maybe if he got rid of the neckbeard, became more outgoing/confident, etc., then he'd have a better chance. Even then, that's still pretty lame advice. The shaving part is actionable, but you can't ju…
/r/seduction20/05/13 01:24 PM
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Nah, it's definitely a possibility, just not something that can be used as some sort of "prerequisite" for people, including the mods themselves. If you can convince a chick to fuck, there's a decent chance you can convince her to take a random nude picture, but since that's not what I'm trying to do in the first place, it's not something I'd generally try to do. I certainly wouldn't do it just to show seddit that I'm "legit." That'd be kinda weird.
/r/seduction16/05/13 09:13 PM
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I've never taken a single picture of a girl during a one-night-stand. It's just kinda weird in most situations unless you're already pretty familiar with the girl, or if you secretly take the picture, which is pretty weird/shitty in and of itself. It's not something I'll be doing any time soon. And if I followed that logic, then I certainly couldn't be a mod, since I don't have any of those pictures. I don't even have a picture of myself -- then again, last time I checked, the other mods don't h…
/r/seduction16/05/13 08:48 PM
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Don't get me wrong though -- it's definitely not a bad suggestion, just like how tags aren't a bad suggestion. But as a mod, seeing how shit works in practical terms from my angle, I just can't see either of those suggestions working very well for this sub. Neither of them really "solve" any "problems," and both of them can easily lead to more issues. In an ideal seddit, we could separate posts among various subs, and make sure that the highest-voted comment is the "best." Like I said though, it…
/r/seduction16/05/13 06:12 PM
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It is. IMO though, I don't think hiding votes is very helpful unless you're in a bigger sub that gets a lot more comments on the average post. For us, we'll have plenty of people disagreeing with the poster, and plenty of people agreeing, just like in the major subs -- but we also don't get too many trolls (or even comments) in comparison, and it's generally expected that the highest-voted comment will be the "best" answer overall. Since that seems to be true the large majority of the time, ther…
/r/seduction16/05/13 05:57 PM
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We've considered it before, but nobody will ever provide any sort of proof (except the few guys who are able to take a picture of some naked girl they fucked in a one-night-stand -- which presents some other problems), and the whole thing is subjective in the first place. It's still definitely an option, but it'd be entirely dependent on how the mods feel about certain people (which will also be subjective). Every other sub you mentioned has some pretty "objective" goals/achievements/stats, whil…
/r/seduction16/05/13 05:51 PM
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Wouldn't work. I recommend you try starting that sort of sub yourself (the mods here don't have any issues with something like that). Then just watch how many users you get on a daily basis. It'll probably be cool... for a bit -- but in general you'll find that you don't have enough users to carry the sub, even if the sub has awesome content. Shit just doesn't work that way on reddit. We've already tried it multiple times before.
/r/seduction16/05/13 05:43 PM
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Both can work in favour in the game, as long as the Arrogance is properly concealed as confidence which is not too hard to pull off. True, except Tofu's confidence isn't veiled arrogance in the first place. The other guy would already be at a disadvantage since he has to "hide" his arrogance. His tips are fine, except they're really common. I could've given the exact same tips, but I wouldn't, because I would assume most people have read the sidebar. I don't doubt his amount of successes or anyt…
/r/seduction15/05/13 08:58 PM
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Check my other comment in this thread. He thinks that because his approach works on a certain segment of the population that it therefore translates to mean that all women are disloyal and inferior to men. Yeah, I had the same reaction. He sounds like a misogynistic asshole. Frankly, your response smacks of someone who's gotten sensitive about being asked to actually think about the advice and concepts here beyond the beginner levels. If that was the case, I apologize. That definitely wasn't my …
/r/seduction15/05/13 08:36 PM
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Except his "alpha" character was expressed in some comments on 4chan, and I'd argue that it doesn't contribute to his "confidence" at all. TofuTofu's pretty damn confident, and shares plenty of the same ideas, without being misogynistic. I wouldn't say the guy's more confident than TofuTofu, especially since he has no proof to back anything up and is posting that shit on 4chan in the first place. Not to say that reddit's any better, but Tofu's also given plenty of proof before (and I've met him)…
/r/seduction15/05/13 06:24 PM
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Well, a big part of seduction "theory" is to recognize some of those emotions. specifically in that for us to give out strategic suggestions it is required and logical to generalize with a broad stroke It's not simply about generalization. The fact of the matter is that zero advice would exist if we didn't make some generalizations. I couldn't tell you to be more confident, because since there's a minority of women who don't like confident men, that advice wouldn't apply to them, and would thus …
/r/seduction15/05/13 06:09 PM
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That's why we shouldn't make any generalizations. What I think is worse is the fact that we make generalizations about girls who go to bars/clubs in the first place. They're not inherently "worse" people to begin with. But yeah, I'm in the same boat. Most of my relationships started as "random" hookups -- hell, even in grade school/high school, they were pretty "random." There have only been a few times where I started dating a girl after slowly "wooing" her. Every other time, shit happened pret…
/r/seduction15/05/13 05:51 PM
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If this is the same 4chan shit I'm thinking of, it's been posted here like 100 times before. The guy's got some good ideas, but he also presents them in a pretty misogynistic way that I highly doubt is very beneficial for him. He might still get laid a lot, but I'd bet he could get laid more if he dropped some of the sexism.
/r/seduction15/05/13 04:37 PM
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Realize that when you walk into a place and think other people might be judging you, most of those people share the same exact thoughts about themselves. Once you have a certain degree of confidence, use that knowledge to your advantage. When you're doing cold approaches with strangers, just understand that you'll probably never see the person again. Even if they hate your guts, there's no reason for that to affect you. If it's someone you will see again, things are a bit different -- but you ha…
/r/seduction15/05/13 04:29 PM
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Most people here would agree that lesbians and anyone who's bisexual would tend to have better advice, since they're dealing with the same sort of issues. Like I said though -- you've already seen it. At the same time, you've also seen some people with the opposite position. So you take the good with the bad, and then you have.... the Facts of Life.
/r/seduction13/05/13 05:16 AM
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I generally agree, except this OP basically made the same point already, so I'm not sure why you're automatically "against" it -- though I understand the thought-process.
/r/seduction13/05/13 05:10 AM
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I'm no better than anyone else -- though IMO I am a bit better when it comes to random texts and shit (it's something I do all the time). In other words, nobody should treat my comment as a "definitive" example of how to run shit. Shit simply doesn't work that way. If OP had been talking about facebook exclusively, then yeah, I probably have more experience with facebook than most people, especially in terms of random convos.
/r/seduction13/05/13 04:12 AM
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I think it really just depends on the individual, and how they incorporate it. For me, I was a freshman at an out-of-state college, and on the very first day (actually, orientation day, not the first day of "actual" college) I decided to act more like the high school quarterback, and I adopted some of the same "body language" -- the way I talked was a bit different (I just acted confident all the time), the way I walked was different (I acted like I always knew where I wanted to go), and I even …
/r/seduction12/05/13 08:49 AM
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Nah... that doesn't make sense at all unless you're specifically referring to an ex-girlfriend or some similar situation. I still "randomly" text girls from my hometown all the time to see if they want to hang out. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. And usually when I text those girls, I'm also texting about 10-20 others, because I already know most will be unavailable regardless. If I'm really desperate, I'll call some of them. Usually at least a few will show up. Texting "out of the blue…
/r/seduction12/05/13 08:13 AM
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In terms of sparking a convo (I haven't checked the other comments -- others have probably mentioned this), you usually want to text something that basically "requires" a response. "Hey" doesn't necessarily require a response (though I'd still recommend it since it's simple and who gives a shit). So naturally, some quirky story is more likely to get a response -- because it's (hopefully) intriguing and gets some laughter. Likewise, any sort of question is more likely to get a response. I just go…
/r/seduction12/05/13 07:51 AM
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The only thing I really disagree with here is the dancing aspect, but most guys here also tend to disagree with me on that (most guys would agree with you). In a club -- especially when everyone's already drunk and the inhibitions are slim to none -- I tend to "randomly" grind on girls a lot. It could just be my looks (though they're not great) or the way I approach (though that often isn't great either), but it tends to work for whatever reason. 99% of the time, it seems like everyone else is s…
/r/seduction12/05/13 07:37 AM
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I don't have pictures. At one point, my bench max was about 245 and my deadlift max was 515. I was 5'10" and weighed about 175 at the time. I was just making a joke though. I think you're super strong, and I'm envious of your strength. I wasn't actually calling you an asshole. [Though I bet I can still deadlift more than you ;-)] Edit: For reference, since it seems like you care, I'm still the same height, but in the past 3-4 years, I've lost a lot of muscle and gained a lot of fat. I still only…
/r/seduction10/05/13 12:45 AM
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I'll add (while gay-ly admiring everything about you), I like how you mentioned that you've been working out for 4 years. As someone who used to be pretty jacked and then stopped working out, I can guarantee that it's possible to gain pretty significant muscle in the span of like 1 month if you're really working hard and taking some decent supplements. It sounds like you basically followed the same principle. Girls started approaching you after like a year, because you were working hard and your…
/r/seduction09/05/13 11:40 PM
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Yeah, my bad. In that case, it's merely looks. That's basically the answer to OP's question. The same's true for everyone, except some people handle it better than others.
/r/seduction09/05/13 10:56 PM
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The cool thing for both guys and girls is that if we decide to keep trying, we'll stop being so cautious/insecure about the possible name-calling. Some of the "sluttiest" girls are also really confident, really sex-positive (obviously), and usually "wiser" people all-around -- unless insecurity was their basis for their sexual expression in the first place (in which case, that's not good).
/r/seduction09/05/13 03:01 PM
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Like I said to someone else, IMO most girls who can't pick up on the sarcasm probably won't be too compatible with you anyway, so it's not really worth it unless you just wanna fuck them. The best interactions I've ever had are when a girl and I have some harsh banter back-and-forth, where it kinda seems like we both hate each other, but both of us understand that we're just fucking around. And then we fuck (and even at that point, we're still playfully mocking each other). There've definitely b…
/r/seduction09/05/13 02:54 PM
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For most women it's not as simple as pure aesthetics (so no, it's not about the guy dressing better and shit). Like someone else said, "attractive" qualities in men can include confidence, charisma, social status, financial status, etc. Think about it as a guy yourself -- if you found out that Scarlett Johansson is kind of a loner in real life, would you decide not to fuck her, or would you still fuck her with glee? For women it's a bit different -- though using celebrities as an example is stup…
/r/seduction09/05/13 02:48 PM
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Well alrighty then.
/r/seduction09/05/13 02:46 PM
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IMO, it's not "wrong." I tease people a lot and I'm sarcastic a lot because that's just my style of humor. If a girl responds by immediately interpreting it the wrong way, then we likely have completely different styles of humor and wouldn't have a great time together anyway. Other girls who are more socially-adept are able to see the tease for what it is and then tease me back even more harshly. Then we get some good banter going -- that's basically my favorite kind of interaction to be in. If …
/r/seduction09/05/13 02:35 PM
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1) Since it's a bar, that's to be expected. I wouldn't worry about it too much. But yeah, I think you can approach the same person twice. If they seem to recognize you, approach it differently than you did the first time (or just make a joke about the first time -- don't make it seem like you're mad about it or anything, but tease them about it). 2) Sometimes. It depends. Basically if I think there was some interest being shown, I might approach again. The thing I usually do though is I eject fi…
/r/seduction06/05/13 01:56 PM
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The main thing about Casanova is that he became infatuated with pretty much every girl he was even vaguely attracted to. Once he developed a crush on someone, he'd do everything in his power to get them. Which isn't exactly a good thing (but it probably worked for that time period). The good part about it is that he showed genuine interest in every girl and made all of them feel "special." It's better to just skim through the book though and see the details of his interactions, because the guy d…
/r/seduction05/05/13 05:21 PM
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I've only read a bit of it before, but the guy was a fuckin beast. The various movies about him don't even do him justice.
/r/seduction05/05/13 04:53 PM
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Most IOIs are subtle subconscious "tics," not exactly conscious moves (though they can be). Hair-flipping can be a conscious move, but it's usually a more instinctual thing. Some girls will flip their hair a million times in like 10 minutes, and won't even realize they're doing it until someone mentions it. Likewise, people tend to point their feet toward the person they're most interested in, even when the rest of their body is mostly facing somewhere else. The only people who would ever intent…
/r/seduction04/05/13 06:22 PM
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And think about it from a woman's perspective- I would not mind discovering a post from my love interest describing our first encounter and how much he liked me and how excited he was when we first kissed. I would be appalled and freaked out to find a similar post in which he described me as a "HB8" and "k-closed" me, crowing over his victory, explaining the techniques he used to accomplish it. I wouldn't expect you to be too happy with it. I'd be weirded out to see my girlfriend doing anything …
/r/seduction01/05/13 08:36 PM
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I can't look at a mirror without seeing a hideous monster. I spend way too much time making sure my hair is perfect, and think I'm repulsive whenever I can't get it just right. With all that I still go out and force myself to talk to people. Most of us do the same thing. Find an interview where Dane Cook talks about his hairstyle, and he says some of the same shit. Even though it looks like he just rolled out of bed, it actually took him like 30 minutes to make his hair look the way he wanted it…
/r/seduction01/05/13 06:45 PM
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Also, this[3] kind of shit (from your all-time top page). They say you should never ask for general dating advice from women because we will all invariably misunderstand the question and start rattling off what we PERSONALLY look for in a guy. Seriously, we're not all self-centered morons. I think in this comment alone, you've shown how you invariably misunderstand the question and start "rattling off" what you personally look for. Which is fine, and totally understandable, but still doesn't rea…
/r/seduction01/05/13 05:39 PM
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I'm late to this party, but I think your head is in the wrong place, so I want to touch on these points: I work out nearly every day, often for two hours at a time. I work my ass off to be presentable whenever I go out. I have nice fitted clothes, and get my hair professionally styled. IMO (others will disagree), that shit's not as important. Especially if you're not legitimately doing it for your own benefit. I still work out semi-often, but nowhere near on a daily basis, because I realized I w…
/r/seduction01/05/13 04:48 PM
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There's no point in talking about how important looks are. People who look better will usually have an easier time, but I don't see how that's relevant at all to people who don't look as good. Just focus on the things you can change, and don't waste much time worrying about other shit. There's no point to it. I also think that not only will your personality overshadow your looks, but that even if you look good, that's only really beneficial in the first few seconds/minutes. Sure, you'll have mor…
/r/seduction01/05/13 04:17 PM
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There just isn't any material they can relate to. It's kind of paradoxical that people get into pickup to become cooler, more attractive people, but being into pickup is not cool or attractive. I don't think that's really the fault of the community itself (though it may be the fault of certain people in the community). I think there's just a big stigma attached to the idea of guys figuring out how to make themselves more attractive, especially since many things are counterintuitive. You can be a…
/r/seduction01/05/13 04:06 PM
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What I've noticed from most of my friendships is that the guy who makes a move first is usually the guy who gets the girl. Just keep that in mind -- some of these girls probably already like you, to some extent (they obviously already think you're an okay guy if they're hanging out with you). But like some of these guys have said, the beauty of social circle game is that there's hardly ever any pressure. So what I usually do is just use those girls as "back-ups," in a way. If I end up wanting to…
/r/seduction01/05/13 03:43 PM
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We're still trying to figure out the wiki/sidebar. Trust me, this post is one of the best introductory posts I've ever seen, but I don't want to put it in some random spot on the sidebar. We need to clean up the sidebar and get the wiki going, but we're still not sure how to do it in the best way. We're hoping to just provide a wiki link, but the admins haven't made the wiki stuff very "usable" yet. I've been trying to update the wiki for a long time, but it keeps telling me I can't for whatever…
/r/seduction29/04/13 06:20 PM
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See, you say things like that, which makes you seem like an alright dude. But then you're looked up to in this community that, according to my thirty-minute perusal, is centered around a framework of treating women like we aren't people. Well, shouldn't that give you cause for question? This is the top post (and has been for like 13 hours), with a bunch of upvotes, and with most of the comments praising it. Isn't this post also a part of this "community"? Which posts are you referring to when yo…
/r/seduction29/04/13 03:19 PM
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Whether you tell the truth or give a jokey answer -- as long as you yourself are fine with it, 99% of other people will be fine with it too. Whereas if you interpret it as an accusation and act defensive/insecure about it, people will pick up on that and make it into a bigger deal than it needs to be. The same applies to your profession (or in my case, lack of one). I don't chide myself too much for not having a job right now. I'm still pretty young, the job market sucks (especially for the job …
/r/seduction29/04/13 03:11 PM
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Others have answered this better than I can, but some points: You must not have browsed here very long, because I'd estimate about 90% (or more) of the guys here are looking for a long-term relationship, and their main issue is that they're having a hard time striking up conversations and progressing with women. I'd say about 95% (or more) of the guys here haven't had more than 10 sexual partners in their lives, let alone anything close to 100. Do some guys want to randomly fuck 100 women? Eh, m…
/r/seduction28/04/13 05:26 AM
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Especially as it applies to meeting and dating women, it gets really hard to recognize the difference -- to the point where many guys who clearly seem to be putting women on a pedestal will adamantly defend themselves because they truly believe that's not the case. There's nothing anyone can say that will make them change their minds -- it's something they have to be able to recognize themselves. Like when you're at a party and you meet this random girl, then end up in a long-ass conversation wi…
/r/seduction22/04/13 04:57 PM
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People are human, and I doubt many (if any) are capable of truly "giving value" 100% of the time -- at least, not without some expectation involved. So don't be too worried about that. Just try to recognize how often you do it, and cut down on it. I think one of the main points being made is that you don't always need to give. You don't always need to feel that it's necessary just because. When you do it too often, especially if it's coming from a place of insecurity/expectation, it starts setti…
/r/seduction22/04/13 04:28 PM
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There's a few reasons, all having to do with social dynamics. If it was that easy to just be blunt and make shit happen, crazy psycho-rapists would have a million easy targets just by being blunt with the girls they approach (actually, that might not be a social thing -- that might be more of a biological thing). From her POV, she's gonna feel/seem like a bit of a slut for just saying "Sure, let's go fuck right now." From my POV, I'm not feeling much different. From my POV, if I somehow flub the…
/r/seduction16/04/13 01:13 PM
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Definitely. I can guarantee he has other people handling his shit. He showed up for an "AMA" on seddit for about 10 minutes, then did an AMA on /r/IAmA for a couple hours. He didn't care at all about the seduction community, and didn't seem to care much about the reddit community in general. His AMA was mainly an excuse to push his product. Then again, that's how it works for everyone else too, so it's not like we didn't expect it. I wasn't really trying to disagree with you at all, just explain…
/r/seduction15/04/13 12:29 AM
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He was always a bit of a shill (most of the well-known PUAs are), don't let The Game fool you into thinking it's completely true-to-life. At the end of the book, he basically just talks about how a lot of these guys are leading horrible lives and how he wants no part of it. Annnddd then he goes back to being a PUA after breaking up with his girlfriend (that part just isn't in the book). The book was meant to read as fiction, in terms of the character development and the themes in it. That was al…
/r/seduction14/04/13 06:05 PM
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Whenever I go to bars with friends, we hardly ever stay together for a prolonged period of time. We almost always separate, either to find someone else we might know, or to go mix it up on the dancefloor, or to go play darts/pool, etc. I have one friend especially who straight-up told me once (because I was kinda following him around) to get the hell away because he wanted to hit on girls. You can say the same to your friends, and then, like others have said, use them as a "home base" when you'r…
/r/seduction13/04/13 07:17 PM
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Don't think of it as an "approach" (that seems to be where a lot of the nervousness comes from). Just think of it as sitting down on a train where you happen to be next to a cute girl. If it's a short ride (I guess in London, it usually will be), IMO it's still better to say something situational -- which is great if she's reading a book or dressed a certain way. Simply saying "hi" can be a bit strange unless you have something to follow up with (if you have nothing, you can just casually ask wh…
/r/seduction13/04/13 07:05 PM
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I know about the mod queue.
/r/seduction10/04/13 03:03 AM
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Yeah. It gets put into the "reported links" link, that only the mods are able to see. Most mods of major subs don't bother checking the link very often, because it's mostly a waste of time -- but yeah, the other mods will see it if they check the various "mod" links.
/r/seduction10/04/13 01:37 AM
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They show up in the "reported links" part of the modqueue, which we usually don't check because most are bogus reports and the "legit" reports only happen like once a week. I'd check the actual "moderation queue" links more often, except that's usually not a problem either, so it'd be better to check the "reported links" instead of the general "moderation queue." I trust the other mods to make decent decisions, and they trust me to do the same. Otherwise, we wouldn't be mods (and we've gone thro…
/r/seduction09/04/13 08:13 PM
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If that's happened within the past few years or so, then I envy you. I'm only 22, so I obviously haven't seen shit at bars change too much in the past couple years, but I've been going to a certain bar since I was a kid (because my dad was a regular there), and I haven't really seen things change much in that time. I got older, started ordering beers at the bar, started going there by myself, and started hitting on girls more regularly. What I've found tends to be pretty synonymous with what mos…
/r/seduction09/04/13 07:09 PM
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emancipating more towards the pick-up scene, which is great imo. Do you mean that they recognize it and accept it, or do you mean that they hit on guys more often than "normal"?
/r/seduction09/04/13 06:50 PM
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Like he said, there's no chance of a hetero female seddit ever getting off the ground. Why? Because there's hardly enough demand for it. Seddit's not a small "seduction" forum (it's at least comparable to some of the larger forums), but even the larger forums don't have a separate area for women. And why is that? Here's a few reasons: Despite what anyone says, guys tend to value looks more highly than girls do. It's not necessarily because men are inherently more shallow -- it's based on a ton o…
/r/seduction09/04/13 06:22 PM
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Under someone's comment, "reply" is one of the links you can click. Near that, there should be a link that says "report," so you can just click that, and the person's comment/post will be sent to our (the mods') "reported links" section. We don't check it very often, since people hardly ever report shit, but most of us try to check it at least every other day or so. For whatever reason, nobody uses the "report" function very often. I use it all the time in other subs, but I guess that's because …
/r/seduction09/04/13 05:56 PM
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This subreddit is driven by a lot of guys who are focused on sex and not love. Well that sucks, because I'd say about 90% of guys here are looking to start long-term relationships. I think the majority of the mods would still advise people to have sex as early as possible, regardless of what "kind" of relationship they're trying to build. You can go ahead and wait until the nonexistent "right time," but that's what 10-year-olds already know how to do (some just have to wait longer than others). …
/r/seduction09/04/13 11:50 AM
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The AMA's at this link: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/1bpajj/ama_with_julien_from_real_social_dynamics/?sort=new So go there. I already posted your questions, so you can just ctrl-f your username to see if he's answered them yet.
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:47 AM
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The AMA's at this link: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/1bpajj/ama_with_julien_from_real_social_dynamics/?sort=new So go there. I already posted your questions, so you can just ctrl-f your username to see if he's answered them yet.
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:46 AM
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The AMA's at this link: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/1bpajj/ama_with_julien_from_real_social_dynamics/?sort=new So go there. I already posted your questions, so you can just ctrl-f your username to see if he's answered them yet.
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:46 AM
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The AMA's at this link: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/1bpajj/ama_with_julien_from_real_social_dynamics/?sort=new So go there. I already posted your question, so you can just ctrl-f your username to see if he's answered it yet.
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:45 AM
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Here: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/1bpajj/ama_with_julien_from_real_social_dynamics/?sort=new
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:40 AM
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Here: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/1bpajj/ama_with_julien_from_real_social_dynamics/?sort=new
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:40 AM
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From /u/hotpajamas: Have you ever been so disgusted during sex that you had to stop and leave her? Why? Have you ever DP'd a girl with tyler or another instructor? I know one of you motherfuckers is in to pegging. Who's the smuttiest dude you know where do you call home these days?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:37 AM
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From /u/Zeusofsex: Any tips for a highschooler? what techniques work or don't? what should I focus the most in, Im good socially
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:36 AM
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From /u/pants7: -When you are out with your buddies, not for bootcamp or filming hotseat, do you talk to every one (including guys) and open as many sets as you can? Or do you just chill out, and wait for a girl who you are attracted to approach? -About social game: Do you have a standart line or a topic to say to strangers you are not interest in banging (guys, friends of the girl)? It's because when I'm out of state and engage a conversation, if I don't imediately find a topic we're both inter…
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:35 AM
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From /u/FireMarshalBillBrown: Like everyone else here, thanks so much for doing this. A reoccurring theme in your videos and posts, as well as many others associated with RSD, is self-amusement and not trying to impress others. This is currently my biggest problem in regards to meeting women. It seems that a lot of the advice given in the videos to remedy this is vague without any real steps on how to teach yourself to just have fun in those environments. Would you be able to offer some steps th…
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:35 AM
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From /u/boogaloose: Your videos are great help and you seem like a cool dude. You mention that you used to play music. What instrument? What genre? Do you still play?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:34 AM
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From /u/brighouse29: Approximately how many girls have you banged? 50? 100? 200? 500?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:34 AM
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From /u/redditulous1: Do you think that you had natural traits to begin with that allowed you to have game, or was it a struggle to reinvent yourself? Obviously you have studied the art, but were you relatively successful before that?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:34 AM
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From /u/Paolo20pua: My question is about the video that you recorded in medellin, Colombia. You said that you quit your stuff to go america and live a life that you can express your creative thoughts, but how do you deal with it, you go alone and met tyler or you have already met him? my question is because I quit of the university and start to work to finance my lifestyle, but I really don`t want to work, I really want to devote myself to the pick up
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:33 AM
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From /u/brighouse29: Approximately how many girls have you banged? 50? 100? 200? 500?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:33 AM
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From /u/FireMarshalBillBrown: Like everyone else here, thanks so much for doing this. A reoccurring theme in your videos and posts, as well as many others associated with RSD, is self-amusement and not trying to impress others. This is currently my biggest problem in regards to meeting women. It seems that a lot of the advice given in the videos to remedy this is vague without any real steps on how to teach yourself to just have fun in those environments. Would you be able to offer some steps th…
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:32 AM
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From /u/Sedditquest: How many girls are you seeing regulary right now? Do you have multiple relationships right now? Someone has to ask: what is your laycount? I think the question isnt so wrong. How is hotseat filming going? Where do you see yourself in 5 years?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:30 AM
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From /u/chromepenis: how did you meet Tyler? Did you attend his workshops and he just saw the potential in you? How old were you when you went to LA, and really started getting into pick up?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:29 AM
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From /u/dbie22: Any tips on "hot guy" game? I think I'm an above average looking dude and girls are awkward and shy as fuck, I even get approached by girls but most of them do it because they got the approval from their boyfriends. it makes even find lasting friends difficult, I have no problem meeting new people, but I feel pretty lonely because most people around me are boring as fuck and as I said, girls usually have boyfriends or are lame as FUARK. I know moving to another city could be a go…
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:28 AM
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From /u/68maverick68: have you ever gamed in italy especially in a major city like rome or milan (I saw a video of yours from orvieto)? If yes do you think it's harder? Have u dated/fu***d many italian girls?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:27 AM
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From /u/rusty987: In a lot of (neigh, all) your videos, you preach the idea of 'man knowing himself'; having a strong and unwavering conception of oneself - it is this understanding of one's own values that projects authenticity, core confidence and hence attraction. I personally connect with this concept in a powerful way, as i'm sure a lot of other men do. Was it only through pickup that you developed this self-actualized conception of yourself? Do you think its only through pick up that one c…
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:26 AM
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From /u/Poowaah: Hello Julien, I'm from Brazil, saw his seminar opener to close: the heart of the game. You ask simple questions to do after the opener as a buyer of tv. Rode 5 questions for me to do and I would like you to assess, here goes: What do you do? What must you different from other girls? Do you like animals? What is your favorite color? Do you believe in ghosts? Is that right? The questions are correct? And what matters most is the communications sub?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:24 AM
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From /u/Dopefish89: Have you ever tried to or made a girl cheat on her boyfriend, if you knew she had one? Would you make a girl cheat on her boyfriend if they were in a LTR, and you just wanted to f-close her, or would you just move on when you find out about it? Do you try to "judge" how serious their relationship is? Have you ever experienced heart-crushing one-it-is? What did you do to get yourself out of that? Do you f-close most girls by pulling her the same night, or do you f-close them b…
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:22 AM
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From /u/chosen1one: I am writing this post for all my wings and myself. We also signed up for your bootcamp in May. So we hope you are able to answer our questions: 1) What is the best way to start an instant make out? What can we do to turn a girl on faster and make her horny? 2) How do you open and escalate in an overcrowed club? I mean in those clubs where you can hardly move because the dance floor is full with people and of course it is impossible to start a conversation because it is too l…
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:21 AM
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From /u/Zabza5: 1) How old are you Julien? 2) How many womens did you sleep with? 3) What is the perfect age to "join" game in your opinion?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:20 AM
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From /u/OHHAI_THROWAWAY: How do you change your game to those girls who are privy to "the game"?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:19 AM
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From /u/adiyo011: What's your biggest mistake and what did you learn from it? How do you think the seduction/PUA game has changed over the years and where do you see it going in the future? Given a chance to speak to the Julien of old, what would you say? How do you train yourself to become someone with an excellent work ethic.
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:19 AM
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From /u/PeevedStandup: When's RSD's next free tour in London?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:18 AM
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From /u/positrino: This is not exactly a question about dating but it's about social dynamics. I have an lifelong (girl) friend of mine that I am attracted to. About 3 years ago she showed she also liked me but I never did the move because of self-steem issues and simply because back then I had no clue about women. Since then, well, we are okay but every now and then I cannot stop thinking about that and look kind of sad when I see her (because thinking about what happened 3 years ago!). I'm pas…
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:17 AM
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From /u/del_fino: 1) How important is meditation in game? 2) Can you fake abundance? By that I mean, abundance is obviously a very important factor to getting girls but as a newbie, I don't have a rotation of 10 girls or anything crazy like that, so is it possible to fake being abundant? 3) How many celebrities have you banged? :P You don't have to name names, you can give a number though! 4) Who is the absolute best guy you've seen in game, someone who's wowed you because at your level I can im…
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:16 AM
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From /u/dsrdsr: 1) What is intelligence? Define it in your own words. 2) According to your definition of #1, how can intelligence be increased, accelerated and/or realized? 3) If given the choice between dying a Slow Death or passing through Quick Decay, which would you select? 4) What is your favorite brand of beer? 5) What exactly merits your approval? 6) Is reality distorting your ideals? How was it in your past and how iis it now? 7) How often coincidences happen to you? 8) What does woman w…
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:14 AM
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From /u/dsrdsr: 1) Have you ever taken LSD, any other psychedelic or tried sensory deprivation and if so how did it affect you? 2) What do you think about weed, and how your perception changes after smoking? 3) Do you meditate? 4) Do you practice regurarly any other skill than picking up? 5) How to talk with guys and/or elder men when you don't agree with most of things they say?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:13 AM
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From /u/emfan3 What was your first interaction with Tyler like? Did you hit it off immediately? What happened that first night you met him? What did you guys talk about and do
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:12 AM
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From /u/awkwardteen: What are some techniques you use to draw girls into your reality, bring out those strong emotions, and relate to them on a deeper level?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:11 AM
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From /u/Mr-Metaphor: Hi Julien, something I don't see you guys talk about a lot is status. There's a general consensus here that if a guy has the chance to fuck a girl/F-Close her he should. But after a lot of socializing, any girl you hook up with probably has some kind of connection with the other people you know, and this will get your status down. What's the solution for this?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:11 AM
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From /u/bellend: 1) What was the pivotal moment that made you stop and start learning about the game? 2) Is there any differences you've noticed between girls from the UK and girls from the US? (e.g. Did you have to change your method? What worked well with girls from the UK?) 3) Can I be you?
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:10 AM
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From /u/thedarkknightfucks: 1) Have you ever had to deal with someone (in bootcamp or general) who is an absolute chode/noobie and had no clue how to interact with women or people in general, let alone seduce and be confident? How do you deal with this? What do you say to them? Any significant success stories? 2) Though I have some success, I still feel like an absolute chode when I look at you and Tyler. So please excuse this noobie question: To what extent do you think your physical appearance…
/r/seduction05/04/13 01:09 AM
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Here's some cold-reading assertions: "I sense that you are sometimes insecure, especially with people you don't know very well." "You have a box of old unsorted photographs in your house." "You had an accident when you were a child involving water." "You're having problems with a friend or relative." "Your father passed on due to problems in his chest or abdomen." Google some of those and see if you can find some decent books. Those are all pretty classic shit -- and they all happen to apply to …
/r/seduction04/04/13 06:51 AM
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My stepdad's about the same in terms of "figure." He hasn't fucked too many girls, but based on the vibrators and cock rings I've found, I assume he has a pretty healthy sex life with my mom. He's also easily the most talkative/outgoing person I've ever met (which is saying something, because I've lived with cokeheads and kids who snorted oxycontin on a daily basis -- they tend to be talkative). I dunno how he does it. I know he's prescribed to xanax (which means he might have some underlying is…
/r/seduction04/04/13 06:06 AM
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I thought the same, until it started happening to me. I was still a manwhore, so I still "gave it up" in those situations, but I really didn't want to. I only did it because the opportunity was sitting right in front of me and literally grabbing my dick. In some cases, yeah, you might already be attracted. In other cases, NO, YOU WILL NOT BE ATTRACTED. But this ugly-ass girl with zero personality will be grabbing your dick, so you're thinking "eh... shit happens." Girls deal with the same shit, …
/r/seduction04/04/13 05:51 AM
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I'm picturing you as a 50-year-old loser with a beer belly -- and yet, I can still name a few guys like that who are good with women. Example 1: My dad. He's about 52, with a huge beer-belly (otherwise, he's pretty small). He's divorced from my mom, so he's been fucking random girls for like 15 years. Guy gets around. I don't really know how he does it, but girls somehow find him to be attractive. Then he fucks them. Example 2: My stepdad's best friend. Dude's at least 50 now, and ugly/dumb as s…
/r/seduction04/04/13 05:30 AM
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The guy whose book I'm talking about (I'll probably never find it), talked about how he immediately gauged people as soon as they entered his little "parlor." If the girl seemed athletic, he'd immediately guess that she was involved in tennis/bicycling and shit like that -- and he'd be right most of the time. If she was fat, he'd immediately guess that she was insecure about her weight (which would almost always be true). He hardly ever made a statement that was based on a sheer guess. Pretty mu…
/r/seduction04/04/13 05:05 AM
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Yeah. Check my other replies (you probably already have). The dude simply presents shit in such a... readable way -- everything in the book is fascinating. I have no idea if Ian Rowland does the same, but he's supposedly the Michael Jordan of cold-reading, so his books are probably decent too. It's just cool to see (and understand) some of the principles of cold-reading. Some of it's pretty obvious, but other parts will make you think "shit, why have I never noticed that before?!" I'm gonna keep…
/r/seduction04/04/13 04:51 AM
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Since I still can't find it, here are some authors who talk about cold-reading: Ian Rowland, Ron Martin, H. Dewey, Brad Henderson, Richard Webster, Stuart Cumberland, Alexander Thomas, Gene Nielsen, whoeverthefuckelse. I still can't remember this asshole's name, but it sounds like Ian Rowland's books will show you everything you need to know. The guy's supposedly been on TV as a "psychic" a million times before, so he probably knows what he's talking about. It's just fun to read some of those st…
/r/seduction04/04/13 04:42 AM
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Trying to remember: the guy talked about how he saw a woman who was grieving, but still had a wedding ring on her finger. His assumption (obviously) was that her husband had died. He said this before she ever mentioned it, so she thought that he was super psychic. In reality, he made a really simple, obvious observation. He talks about a million other examples where he does similar shit. I know there's one point where he talks about being on a TV show where he's matched up against other psychics…
/r/seduction04/04/13 04:22 AM
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If you talk the way you type, then IMO you're already there. Your typing shows you to be pretty witty and "talkative." If you act the same way in real life, then you're fine. If you don't act the same way in real life, then you need to develop that aspect of yourself. When you're talking to people online, take a second to really feel that emotion and embrace it -- then just do something similar in real life. Don't second-guess yourself. If you're already pretty, then yeah, that's not an issue (a…
/r/seduction04/04/13 04:01 AM
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It was a really good book, so definitely search around for it (there are probably some other similar books too). Robert Nelson wrote a book about cold-reading, and I'm sure other people did too. I know the name of this book was kinda unique, so it's hard to search for it. I'll try to find it. Edit: To be clear -- I'm not purposely trying to obscure it or anything. I'll tell you what it is as soon as I find it.
/r/seduction04/04/13 03:32 AM
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Agreed. First of all -- if she seems a bit nervous, that could easily be a sign that she is attracted to you, and you should approach. The way she's describing it makes it seem like she only cares about the girl's perspective -- which is fine, but it generally isn't directly relevant for the guys in this situation. It's like when you watch a shitty action movie -- nobody gives a shit about the villian, because he's undeniably evil. In a "good" action movie, we get to understand the motives of th…
/r/seduction03/04/13 11:43 PM
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Just want to say, I agree with basically everything you've said. Because AND LET'S BOLD THIS SHIT: YOU DON'T NEED TO BE SUPER PROTECTIVE/CAUTIOUS AROUND GIRLS. Go ahead and try doing that, and see where it leads you. Congrats, now you're back at seddit still looking for advice. The pdf is decent in really basic terms, but holy shit -- one of the very first arguments is: Flirting is most socially acceptable at parties, celebrations and social occasions/functions. Kate (the author of this mantra) …
/r/seduction03/04/13 11:16 PM
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Don't worry. Most AMAs don't happen on-schedule anyway, and for a lot of them, the PUA (or us) can follow up on any of your questions. Just PM one of us.
/r/seduction03/04/13 10:51 PM
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I think that's more a consequence of not having as many potential suitors as the average girl (this might not be the case for you, but it's the case for a lot of guys). The average attractive girl is being inundated (for all intents and purposes) by potential suitors who she doesn't exactly choose to talk to. As a hypothetical, imagine you go out one night and have 100 girls come up to talk to you throughout the night. Some are hot, some are cute, some are ugly; some are cool, some are awkward, …
/r/seduction30/03/13 04:00 PM
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For sure, just make sure that it doesn't become a crutch. A lot of guys are okay at conversing once they get past a certain point -- but before that point, they don't really know what to do. That's why Mystery talked about all different kinds of openers: opinion openers, observational stuff, etc. There's nothing wrong with opinion openers -- people use them all the time, just naturally, because they're actually seeking an opinion on something. And there's nothing really wrong with a scripted opi…
/r/seduction30/03/13 03:39 PM
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I wasn't really concerned with the topic. IMO it doesn't matter if a girl mentions exes -- unless she mentions them constantly or says something off-putting. Everyone mentions exes sometimes. If a girl constantly mentions positive things that an ex used to do, that means she wants you to develop some of those habits (and she might still have a thing for him). If she constantly mentions negative things (especially if they're pretty innocuous), then she most likely still has a thing for him.
/r/seduction29/03/13 03:23 PM
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I agree with you. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone who hasn't had at least one boyfriend at some point -- I can make some assumptions about various girls (based on their lack of looks and social skills), but hell, even a lot of them have at least had a boyfriend before. Now, guys on the other hand -- I can think of a few who, as far as I know, have never had a real girlfriend before. There might be girls who "just want to hookup," but it'd be pretty weird if they've gone their ent…
/r/seduction29/03/13 06:46 AM
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The main issue with it is that many girls will be "satisfied" after making out, and won't have much motivation to take it further with you (unless you provide that motivation for them). You've already stimulated them, they've already had the gratification of receiving sexual attention, etc. It happens all the time -- but IMO, it'll often be hard to tell if not making out would've gone any better. I'd rather make out than not, in most cases where it seems appropriate. Kissing in public public can…
/r/seduction26/03/13 06:06 PM
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Hank Moody's great (or at least, the writers are great) because he runs the whole gamut. There are times where he's completely self-deprecating, but in a good way because it's funny and you can tell he's just joking around. Then there are times where he seems like the cockiest guy in the world, but again you can see that he's mostly joking, so it still shows him in a positive light. Then there's also times where he's aloof as shit, but still always responding in the perfect way to build attracti…
/r/seduction21/03/13 05:42 PM
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IMO, over-texting is the worst thing you could ever do. It might've worked fine in middle-school (and maybe even high school), but it tends to be a bad thing with most women over the age of 17 or so. I think that's what OP was referring to. In terms of building real attraction, texting doesn't really do that. You might think you're building attraction, and it might legitimately feel like you are -- she might be responding in all the right ways -- but you're simply not (at least, not in the same …
/r/seduction21/03/13 05:28 PM
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Oneitis means you're smitten with a certain girl -- usually it's either someone you've just met, or a long-term friend who you've never made a move on because you were too afraid to (though it can also refer to a girlfriend who you have way too much investment in). It's called oneitis because it can be like a disease that overwhelms you and fucks up your whole perspective on... everything. From 7th-9th grade, I had a huge crush on this girl who was dating my best friend. We had some classes toge…
/r/seduction21/03/13 04:31 PM
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Guys do somewhat similar shit, it's just that on average, guys don't tend to have as many options, so our perspective tends to be different when we do have an option. We also approach things differently (the guy usually makes the moves, etc.), so that affects our perspective too. I hardly ever expect the girl to make any moves, and if I don't make one myself, I'll continue to not know how she feels about me. Whereas the girl usually does expect the guy to make a move, so when he doesn't, it coul…
/r/seduction21/03/13 04:25 PM
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Your "tone" is fine, but in terms of the actual relationship, look at the first text: So imma be stuck at work tomorrow, can i count on you to text me atleastttt once? What the fuck is that? I've never texted anything like that in my entire life, even back when I used to be insecure as shit. Without looking at your other texts, it would tell me that you're too invested, you're putting her on a pedestal, etc. Don't do that shit. It worked out fine in this case, because she seems to be already int…
/r/seduction20/03/13 04:58 AM
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To take the point a bit further -- try thinking of it from their point of view. Somehow (through the grapevine) they've heard that you're a "player," or at least, that you've been with a number of girls before. Do they think of you as being "scummy"? Sure, assuming that they feel the same way about anyone who's had a good amount of sexual experience. But do they actually feel that way about anyone who's had a good amount of sexual experience? Probably not. What if they themselves have had a good…
/r/seduction19/03/13 04:51 PM
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I usually look for girls sitting alone on their laptops. I guess it depends on your age, but I basically ask what they're working on, then they tell me, then I start a conversation and/or go sit closer to them. I make up a reason for why I'm sitting closer -- I'm interested in the subject, or went to a nearby school, or whatever. And usually that actually is the reason -- I'm not purely trying to get pussy or whatever, especially if it's some random place. You're not looking for a new girlfriend…
/r/seduction19/03/13 04:20 PM
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It's a difficult question because frankly, if you don't have much free time, you don't have much free time. Either do whatever you can to get more, and/or use it wisely when you have it. Beyond that, anywhere where girls exist is a decent place to talk to girls, so keep that in mind. If you have a lunch break, go somewhere where you can talk to people (like Starbucks and places like that where a lot of people tend to congregate). Like you basically said, it's gonna depend on the situation. If I …
/r/seduction19/03/13 02:50 PM
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A lot of times, I'll walk up to a girl who's alone and ask why they're alone (sometimes in a pretty serious tone -- even though I don't care -- but usually in a jokey way). While asking, I'm doing some triangle gazing (looking at eyes, then mouth, then back to eyes) while giving a sly/sexy smirk. If she seems like she's into it (hard to say what that really means, it's just something where you know it when you see it), then I'll move closer and make out with her. Sometimes just from gauging her …
/r/seduction19/03/13 02:35 PM
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I agree. That's the one issue I take with this post. OP's really talking about mindset and shit, not about actually being a "player" (no matter what interpretation of the word anyone uses). I should hope that nobody here would want to be deceptive and shit, but getting with a bunch of women is the main factor that gives someone a "player" reputation in the first place. Once you reach a certain point, it's not gonna matter how you got to that point -- people will probably talk about it regardless…
/r/seduction19/03/13 01:33 PM
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He started focusing too much on the excitement of meeting new girls all the time. It also sounds like he didn't have the greatest mindset to begin with, so that's probably a factor.
/r/seduction16/03/13 02:02 AM
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I think it's a bit of a strawman argument (though it tends to be true). It's definitely a valid point to say that we should try to embrace our internal validation and generally ignore anything external. If it goes too far though, then you're the exact definition of a narcissist, which usually isn't a good thing. And it's definitely bad for anyone to value their self-worth based on how often they get laid, or based on the "value" of the girls they fuck. That's stupid, and probably pretty narcissi…
/r/seduction15/03/13 06:06 PM
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I agree, for the most part.
/r/seduction15/03/13 04:32 PM
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I think it depends on how well the metaphor is pulled off. Heart of Darkness and Animal Farm are basically just 2 book-long metaphors (I wasn't too fond of either of them, but obviously they're considered classics for a reason). Edit just to clarify (though I probably don't need to): You won't find a single page in Heart of Darkness that doesn't use the aspect of "darkness" as a metaphor for some other issue (on most pages, there will be at least 2-3 references to "darkness" that are meant to re…
/r/seduction15/03/13 03:32 PM
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Hopefully most people will understand that I'm just continuing the metaphor as it applies to fish, and not actually talking about stabbing, killing, and selling women as food products. That's the whole point of using metaphors. I just wanted to make sure itsmevichet (who's a dating coach himself) could understand why I still disagreed with him about asking 1000 women for their opinions. Even if you asked every woman in the world about her perspective, then put all those perspectives into a sprea…
/r/seduction15/03/13 03:20 PM
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I agree. I also think her words to a friend, based on a secondhand account, are never gonna say anything bad about you (because that would be shitty). If the account is the whole truth and nothing but it, then the girl's probably already attracted, just a bit uncomfortable (maybe even putting OP on a pedestal). OR, OP tends to talk over people, which isn't really a good trait to have. OP's friend phrased things a certain way to avoid upsetting him, and maybe the girl just finds him annoying. To …
/r/seduction14/03/13 09:48 PM
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You can't just ask the fish though, because most fish will tell you "Don't even try to catch me," or they might say "I prefer to be caught with a net and put in an aquarium -- don't use a hook, and don't eat me." Meanwhile the fisherman's thinking "Well, I have some hooks that are particularly good at catching the fish I'm trying to catch. I also work for a corporation that sells their fish products to restaurants throughout the country, so you're gonna die either way." Even if you ask 1000 fish…
/r/seduction14/03/13 07:19 PM
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To take the point further -- experienced guys tend to give the "best" advice because they've got all these data points to draw from. Women have themselves as a data point, they've got some immediate friends/family as data points (assuming they talk about this stuff in-depth, which they probably don't -- at least, not to the level we're talking about from the guy's perspective), and then they've got their general opinions and preconceived notions about how other women might act in a given situati…
/r/seduction14/03/13 06:54 PM
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Keep it casual -- but say if you're at a restaurant or something, don't be afraid to treat it as a sign of interest and mirror it. So when she gets close, you get a bit closer. When she puts a hand on you, you do the same (not at the same time, but you know what I mean). Same thing applies if you're just walking around a park or something. A lot of times though, you're the one who's expected to start things in the first place, so keep that in mind too. It kinda depends on the girl -- personally,…
/r/seduction14/03/13 06:23 PM
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I think when seddit itself gets brought up in most contexts, there's a negative connotation and some preconceived notions about it. The majority of people in the conversation will agree with everyone else, and if someone comes in to defend seddit, they're downvoted automatically for going against the flow. If you go into a thread and say "Well how do you seduce people?" they'll usually say something like "I don't. I just try to have a good time, etc." Except in a case like this, where the guy sp…
/r/seduction13/03/13 06:50 PM
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I think in general, we're nowhere near as receptive to it. We don't generally have girls lining up to date us, so when stuff like kino happens, we tend to assume it's innocent. Girls (at least attractive girls) are the exact opposite. Even though that probably applies to most men, there are others on the opposite end of the spectrum -- guys who think any sort of casual glance is a sign that the girl wants the dick. Guys also tend to be less receptive to social/emotional cues in general (that's n…
/r/seduction13/03/13 03:04 PM
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A playful punch in the arm is the ideal response to a tease. IMO, most (if not all) kinds of physical contact are used as an excuse to be physically "closer" to you. I'd say the only time where you should see it as a slightly ambiguous move is when you're already friends with the person and there's never been any sexual tension before that point.
/r/seduction13/03/13 01:27 PM
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Like others said, it really depends on what you mean by "sexually threatening." I'd like to hope I'm hardly ever considered "sexually threatening," even though I try to make moves pretty early. I'd assume the guy in your post still makes moves and shit, he just does it without being "threatening" or "intimidating," which you definitely shouldn't be. I'd still describe Type A people as being more sexually "aggressive," more likely to escalate, etc. They can even be "intimidating," depending on ho…
/r/seduction12/03/13 05:37 PM
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Escalating shows interest nonverbally, if you're talking about making actual moves beyond just touching her (which itself can be a sign of interest, but might be totally innocent). Escalating shows sexual interest more than any sort of emotional interest, so that's usually a good thing. If we assume she's reciprocating in the first place, it's a great thing. I think you're getting hung-up on the word "aloof" -- I wouldn't have used that word to describe things. You basically want to show that yo…
/r/seduction11/03/13 09:34 PM
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Keep in mind what thisisgonnabe_good also mentioned: that it often happens involuntary. There are many simple questions like "What do you do for work?" that could technically be considered a "shit-test" (especially from your perspective as the person who has to answer the question), even though a large majority of the time, there's no malice behind that question and/or she doesn't ask it simply because she wants to judge you for it (even though the end-result might be that she judges you for it,…
/r/seduction11/03/13 03:38 PM
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I basically said the same thing in another comment (at least, I said that I thought NickTDS was a bit off-the-mark on that point). I was just pointing out that they're the same guy, so they share the same views -- so when NickTDS is reiterating the author's point, it's actually the author himself reiterating his own points.
/r/seduction10/03/13 10:51 PM
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It seemed like you basically agreed with NickTDS, but not with the author of the article -- who happens to be NickTDS himself.
/r/seduction10/03/13 10:23 PM
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Just fyi, the writer is OP himself.
/r/seduction10/03/13 09:08 PM
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You totally can, and I think that's where NickTDS might be a bit off-the-mark. But you have to gauge the person early-on to see how they feel about casual dating/relationships. I don't know what it is about college, but it was really easy for me to find fuck-buddies in college, and I only faced a few situations where the girl thought I wanted to be exclusive right off the bat (and shit, I was pretty clingy too in some cases). You don't necessarily need to have a "conversation" about it, but just…
/r/seduction10/03/13 09:02 PM
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I think you have to make up for the lack of sexual intimacy ("making moves," as I would put it) with an extra amount of confidence. You can't be tip-toeing around her and being "cautious" about things, because even if you truly just don't want to have sex, she might take it as a sign that you're just afraid/insecure. Which, for some people, might be endearing -- but for most, it's probably a bit of a turn-off. I think you have to know your own value, and truly believe in it. Then she'll recogniz…
/r/seduction10/03/13 08:51 PM
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85-90% of the users here want a long-term-relationship. Shit, probably about 65% of our users have made comments very similar to yours. Just look at the comment under yours, talking about other sedditors. There's so many people talking about these "other" sedditors all the time, when I hardly ever see these "other" sedditors making the same type of comments.
/r/seduction10/03/13 08:32 PM
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It took me a while to get it: It's probably The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene. Personally, I think ivegotsoul421 is pretty far off-the-mark about that guy. The Art of Seduction isn't based on any single conception of seduction -- it talks about all different kinds of seduction "types," and while it's pretty interesting (the audiobook is especially interesting to listen to), I don't think it's particularly helpful -- at least not compared to something like Magic Bullets.
/r/seduction10/03/13 08:27 PM
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This is also true for most guys dealing with girls, just fyi.
/r/seduction10/03/13 08:12 PM
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I think he's just using "she" because he thinks the advice can also be used by women in relationships with men. That being said -- yeah, I think the core concepts he mentioned are decent concepts, but his way of phrasing them is kinda... off-putting.
/r/seduction10/03/13 08:01 PM
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Most of the people in the comments don't appear to be seddit regulars (at least, I don't recognize 99% of the usernames). I'd assume the votes are coming from some of the same people. Regardless, the post is at the top because of the sheer number of votes it has, even though only 55% "like" it.
/r/seduction10/03/13 07:58 PM
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She definitely has some experience and tends to know what she's talking about, so I wouldn't knock her too much, but her seminars are more expensive than the large majority of seminars from other people in the community, which is especially bullshit since she's already approaching it from the opposite perspective (as we all know, that's generally not a good thing, and can often hurt you).
/r/seduction08/03/13 07:44 AM
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leodoestheopposeite sometimes seems pretty prejudiced against seddit. I'd say about 80-85% of guys here are simply looking for girlfriends (and usually looking for long-term relationships). Even though this is seddit, it's still part of reddit, and generally shares the same userbase. Naturally, some of the more experienced guys will tend to have "better" viewpoints, but the large majority of our users don't have much (if any) experience. There is a minority of Sedditors who believe that it's not…
/r/seduction08/03/13 07:38 AM
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You're talking to a stupid borderline alcoholic right now.
/r/seduction07/03/13 09:10 AM
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The RSD guys are all pretty cool. The marketing guy is pretty cool, so he helps us set up AMAs with people. We'll probably never get one from Tyler himself, but that's not a huge deal since we've gotten like 5 other AMAs from other guys at RSD. To anyone who tries to claim we're affiliated with RSD, we've still probably had more AMAs with LoveSystems guys, who are also pretty cool. It's just that the RSD marketing guy tends to be more available, so I talk to him more.
/r/seduction07/03/13 04:47 AM
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Just to note in case you didn't see my other comment -- we're hoping to have an AMA with Julien in the near future. Frankly, I want to know what's going on with his hair (but seriously, he seems like a cool guy).
/r/seduction07/03/13 02:52 AM
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Sasha Daygame has the same hairstyle issues (he has much more hair, but he always puts it into a pretty weird style -- he'll put it into a "ponytail," even though his hair is only like 5 inches long). I was texting with him a bit while trying to set up his AMA, and it seemed like he just didn't give a fuck. He also seemed like a really nice guy in general. He was extremely nice about setting up the AMA (especially since I was at Hooters with family at the time). I'd assume Julien is somewhat sim…
/r/seduction07/03/13 02:28 AM
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Nobody's provided a great answer to this question, and I probably won't either, but here goes -- If you fall in love with a girl before meeting her, she's on a pedestal. If you become attached to a girl within a few weeks, she's on a pedestal (doesn't really matter if she feels the same way about you). Are you treating her like a person? Are you treating her the same way you'd treat your other friends, and family, etc.? If not, then you've probably put her on a pedestal, and that isn't a healthy…
/r/seduction06/03/13 11:33 PM
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The general points made here will definitely still apply to your situation, no matter what situation you're in. It'll be a bit different (it's tailored to straight men, so it'll be more relevant to straight men, lesbians, and gay guys), but the general concepts will definitely still apply to you.
/r/seduction06/03/13 11:23 PM
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It's fun to laugh at now, but at the time I was just thinking "What the FUCK is going on??" I wasn't a "good" kisser myself, but this girl made me look like the worst kisser in the world. But like you've basically said, you don't have to be a "skilled" kisser in order to kiss someone. Everyone's different anyway, so you'll have to adapt to their style either way. That's usually how I do it -- I just totally adapt to the girl's style. But if you want, you can use your own style, and kinda "force"…
/r/seduction06/03/13 11:06 PM
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I'd describe it as always trying to give yourself "home court advantage." She can do whatever she wants, but the ball is always in your court. That doesn't mean you need to always be "dominant," or anything like that. It just means you always know what's happening, and you're generally in control of it. If a girl doesn't text me for like 3 days, then most people would say the ball is in her court. But instead of playing by her rules, I just go ahead and forget about it, either until she texts me…
/r/seduction06/03/13 06:27 PM
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It depends on various factors (how you look, how you act, etc.). But you should start hitting up some bars in your free time -- at most bars, you don't have to drink if you don't want to. Start conversations with randoms at the bar (girls and guys). And understand that it's not a big deal. People won't judge you for it unless you're actually being weird about it (or unless they themselves are assholes). Even then, 99% of people won't say anything to your face about it. the standard keeps going u…
/r/seduction06/03/13 05:38 PM
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OP gave a really good take on it, but in my mind, I simply don't see sexual stuff as being inherently meaningful. It certainly can be, but it doesn't need to be. Having sex with a hooker obviously isn't too "meaningful," in and of itself. It's just sex. That's how I view it in most other situations too. You can go ahead and create a meaningful experience if you want, but nobody's forcing you to do that. As long as you and your partner are on the same page about it, then there's no issue. This is…
/r/seduction06/03/13 05:20 PM
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I've only had one kiss I would describe as being truly bad -- I've had other "bad" kisses before, but it was never a significant issue before (or since). My friend and I went over to this girl's house to hang out and watch a movie with her and her friend. We were like 15 at the time. My friend and his girl were on one couch, me and the other girl were on another couch. My friend already had a crush on his girl, whereas I had never met "my" girl before. So we're watching this movie, and my friend…
/r/seduction06/03/13 05:02 PM
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I wish this sub worked that way. Everything would be a lot easier. I'm a mod -- trust me, I know shit would be easier if we could give flair to certain people. But we can't, because our sub operates a different way. I wish it could operate the same way as r/askscience, but it simply can't. Edit: Also to be frank, it would definitely require more work on our part. It's not just some "simple" thing that we can implement. If that was true, we would've already done it.
/r/seduction05/03/13 09:16 AM
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You do the same. Go through the comments on this post, then also check the comments on the past 50 posts. "Call out the crap." Then watch what happens. There's a reason why the mods don't tend to get too involved with shit. If you could point out everything for me, that'd be great. DO IT.
/r/seduction05/03/13 09:00 AM
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It would never work the way you suggest. People like you would ask for flair, but I don't even know who you are, so I wouldn't give you any flair (even if all of your ideas/advice are 100% awesome, it wouldn't mean shit to me). It'd be great to distinguish certain guys in a certain way, but if we did that, it'd be completely subjective.. Not to mention, those people would also be free to give shitty advice and still get upvotes for it (you might disagree with that notion, but some people are stu…
/r/seduction05/03/13 07:59 AM
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To quote ThrowawayPUA: A lot of people criticize the mods and give suggestions about how we should do our job. There is always one feature of these ideas: they require substantially more time invested by moderators. If anyone has suggestions on how to reduce the burden on moderators, let me know. If your ideas merely require a moderator to camp on seddit 24/7/365, please let me know how you propose someone will do that for free. This isn't too relevant to your comment, but no, we probably won't …
/r/seduction05/03/13 07:50 AM
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I don't disagree with anything you're saying here, but I still agree with ARealSocialIdiot that you can't really build attraction over text (it might seem like you are, especially if she says something like "Come fuck me right now!", but you probably aren't). 9 times out of 10, you're either losing attraction or remaining neutral -- neither of those situations is helpful.
/r/seduction05/03/13 07:38 AM
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Ah, si senor. But yeah, this is why we give this advice in the first place. If you're a ladies'-man who texts all the time with various girls, feel free to keep doing that. If you're not, best of luck to you. It might work great, or it might not work at all.
/r/seduction05/03/13 07:20 AM
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True, but "fake it till you make it" is what worked for me. I'd assume it could work for other guys too.
/r/seduction05/03/13 07:17 AM
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You phrased it much better than I ever could. I feel the same way, for the same reasons. I'll add though -- you might think your "funny" text is building attraction with the girl, but if she doesn't respond, you're fucked; if she doesn't "get" it, you're fucked; even if she loves it, you still haven't made any real progress, since you're not seeing her in-person. Like you already said, the potential downside is far greater than the potential upside. If you're a playa who texts girls all the time…
/r/seduction05/03/13 07:14 AM
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Following your point, the best way to text is to not text at all. She'll wonder why you aren't, and she'll start the conversation herself. Because it's ambiguous. She doesn't know what you mean when you say "hey," and she'll likely say "hey" back, since who the fuck knows? In various situations, it's good to text. But in general? Nah, I wouldn't text very often at all. OP and some other users are saying great things to support it, but they're talking about pretty specific situations. For me, it …
/r/seduction05/03/13 06:56 AM
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Like both lenovopc and rucron said, it acts as preselection (it's obvious -- to her at least -- that you've been with other girls, which is almost always a good thing), and it's a sign for you to either ignore it, or to get more personal (either option is fine, IMO, but it kinda depends on the situation). Out of all the girls who've blindly accused me of being a "player," I ended up fucking pretty much all of them. In some cases, it's because I got more serious as the night/week went on, and in …
/r/seduction04/03/13 06:15 AM
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It's when a girl asks you a question (or makes a comment) that's meant to judge you in some way -- whether she's doing it intentionally or not. It's meant to make you second-guess yourself. An intentional shit-test is something like "I'm too old for you." 9 times out of 10, she doesn't actually mean that -- she's either looking for validation or looking to see how you might respond to it. An unintentional shit-test can be like when she asks about your job. It's usually an innocent question, but …
/r/seduction04/03/13 06:02 AM
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I agree with RoboticSpirit. I can easily get 20 shit-tests in a night (even from the same person) and "pass" them, and still get nothing out of it. A so-called "beginner" is already more likely to get shit-tested in the first place, since he seems less confident/secure.
/r/seduction04/03/13 05:53 AM
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That's half the battle. You're not actually getting rejected by girls who tell you you're too short -- you just assume that it might happen. You may have had some past history of people making fun of you for being short, or having pimples, or whatever, but none of that needs to affect you unless you let it. You're probably already letting it get to you, and thus, not approaching many women, and thus, you're allowing yourself to be influenced by your own perception of yourself. Essentially, you'r…
/r/seduction04/03/13 05:31 AM
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Mystery himself is very good at his own method because he developed certain techniques and memorized them. Not too many people will be able to pull it off in the same way (and the community as a whole has kinda moved away from his style). I only watched the very beginning, but even with that first girl: She noticed his clothing (he was "peacocking," and it worked). She basically gave him a "shit-test" by asking why he's wearing that goofy shit, and he says something like "Because it makes my mom…
/r/seduction04/03/13 04:33 AM
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How many girls do you talk to in an average night?
/r/seduction04/03/13 04:13 AM
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There's no such thing as a bro code. There's such a thing as common decency though, so it's good to follow that code. Guys certainly don't band together though, at least not with strangers. And they might band together as friends, but that doesn't necessarily mean they won't do something to screw over their friend in certain situations. Not saying it's justified or anything, just saying that shit happens sometimes. Be careful not to stereotype girls and guys though. If anything, the most popular…
/r/seduction04/03/13 04:06 AM
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The main point is that your kino won't be very "natural" if you can't get to the point where you're naturally doing it. If it's purely used as a "technique," and you purely think of it as one, it's much more likely to seem forced/awkward, both to yourself and to whoever's receiving it. Just like how in the thread the other day about How to Win Friends and Influence People, some guys were saying "None of this shit would work on me -- I can sense it from a mile away," even though the book only tal…
/r/seduction04/03/13 03:54 AM
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When you don't have many (or any) sources of emotional/mental/sexual output, you're gonna be more invested when you finally do find a source for it. It's indirectly related to science, but I think psychology provides a better explanation for how/why it works that way. When parents neglect their kids, the kids usually grow up with various issues. They didn't get to experience the "motherly love" aspect that most people get, so it's something they tend to seek out later on. Same thing with father-…
/r/seduction28/02/13 04:59 PM
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Without the general "community," seddit probably wouldn't be here, but I'd like to think a similar subreddit would still have existed. It'd probably involve a lot of the same advice, but it'd be more rudimentary, like the various confidence-related subreddits, or r/relationships, or whatever. Maybe it'd be like the masf forums back in the day (where Mystery, Tyler, and various other guys got started). It wouldn't affect me much, but I'd definitely be more "blind" to various social situations, an…
/r/seduction28/02/13 04:38 PM
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Everything I said in my previous comment completely agrees with everything you've said here. If I were giving advice to a random guy, I'd tell him not to comment on a girl's natural looks at all. IMO, he shouldn't even give a compliment in the first place. But if he wants to, he should stick to something unnatural, that she wasn't already born with. In the situation I mentioned, it was different because she approached me (the ball was in my court the whole time). So I told her she was really pre…
/r/seduction21/02/13 12:11 AM
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You might be right about the stubble, but either way, you look good without it. I'd go so far as to say everything about you looks good as it is, and you don't need to change your looks at all (unless you want to update the wardrobe). You literally look exactly like a friend of mine, but that same friend is like 5'8", so he has more shit to deal with. Even then, he's got a good girlfriend right now and was finally able to get some pussy in college. I should mention -- he's always had plenty of "…
/r/seduction20/02/13 10:19 PM
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If I were to compare TofuTofu with anyone, it'd be fat-Mac on Always Sunny. Based on Tofu's own accounts, and based on what I saw from him when I met him, I think it's safe to say that he regularly gets with more girls than I do, and has gotten with more girls in general. Yet he closely resembles fat-Mac (they weigh a similar amount, though Tofu might be heavier; they have the same hair for the most part; I'd say they even wear pretty similar clothing). It's been a while since I met Tofu, but th…
/r/seduction20/02/13 10:04 PM
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This is ridiculous. I have a friend who looks exactly like you (same facial features, same height -- I'm assuming you're not too tall), same outfits. In high school, he didn't get laid, mostly because of his baby face and his general attitude (he never really tried to get laid in the first place). When your picture was slowly loading, I literally thought you were my friend -- you guys have the exact same facial features. To be honest, he has more of a "baby face" than you do. Once he got to coll…
/r/seduction20/02/13 07:30 PM
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Haven't checked the rest of the comments yet, but I'll hijack here and say that OP's line works best if you, as the guy, are already pretty confident/self-assured. I used the exact same line recently, and it worked because the girl had already approached me, and I'd already made out with her a bit. If that had been my opening line, or if I had said it from a place of insecurity/unsurety, it would've made me look just like the guys you're talking about. Definitely wouldn't recommend it in general…
/r/seduction20/02/13 07:13 PM
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I agree. A lot of guys are extremely worried about this sort of thing happening before they've even started approaching. This guy's been approaching, and I don't doubt that he's weirded out some girls, but I highly doubt it's making as big of an impact as he thinks. I mean, if his Greek system is truly small (like, only consists of a few houses or something), I can picture him being semi-recognizable there, but even then... you'd basically have to try to be as creepy as possible in order for it …
/r/seduction19/02/13 03:20 PM
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People with less experience tend to have more contradictory views when it comes to stuff like this. Also, I'd say the majority of our subscribers are just looking for a long-term relationship (which IMO is bass-ackwards, but it's whatever). People who straight up seek out long-term relationships usually have less experience overall -- if they had more experience, they wouldn't put so much stock into finding the "perfect" woman right away. So a lot of people here still hate "sluts," a lot of peop…
/r/seduction18/02/13 09:03 PM
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I'm well aware of everything you said. I was making a generalization (and said as much) because it's an accurate generalization -- it doesn't apply to everything, it just happens to apply to a lot of things. That "hot girl" you mentioned has only approached me like twice in my life. The "fat girl" I mentioned has approached me like 50 times. Trust me, it has little to nothing to do with me or any attributes I have.
/r/seduction17/02/13 07:00 PM
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I agree, but at the same time, I'd still defend it as a general rule, and I'd also posit that the girl who wants you to fight some guy just to flatter her ego probably isn't the best girl to be with (unless you're the sort of guy who wants to flatter both of your egos at the same time).
/r/seduction17/02/13 10:44 AM
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I'm finding it hard to be friends with these two women because they get so insecure if you don't hit on them like "the other guys". I'm committed to being friends and don't pine over these women, I just wish they would respect that Then grow a dick and tell them about it, dude. You're the one who's responsible for keeping your feelings a secret. If you want them to know about those feelings, tell them.
/r/seduction17/02/13 10:33 AM
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Not at all. Most of the mods disagree with me about direct/indirect, but I'll always support the idea that "indirect" tends to get better results more often. Direct is great in situations where it's most effective (mainly, day-game situations where you literally only have a minute to talk). For everything else, there's Mastercard -- or, you can start a nonchalant convo with a girl, then build from there, and it'll be much more "natural" than most of the "direct" shit you'll see, where a guy walk…
/r/seduction17/02/13 03:55 AM
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He did one of our most recent AMAs, so check it out on the sidebar. I think that was his second AMA, so also look for the first one (just search for "Mark Manson" and keep it within r/seduction. He did some pretty good AMAs.) Beyond that though, he's right. The person who invests the least will always have the most control, bar none. Though I might rephrase it to say "the person who has the least emotional investment will always have the most control."
/r/seduction17/02/13 03:37 AM
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I recognize your username (for all the wrong reasons), but yeah, I agree with your point. If she is only going against gender norms because she thinks they're silly and sees no point in following them (the same way I do, in like 90-100% of situations), then she's probably pretty awesome. She's also (unfortunately) in the minority. I dated a girl for a bit in college who was bisexual. We had a pretty open relationship where we were both allowed (or encouraged) to fuck other people if we wanted. W…
/r/seduction17/02/13 03:27 AM
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I phrased everything a bit weirdly, to fit OP's point. I'll try to expand on my own views. I personally think that many girls would make great girlfriends/wives, and that they shouldn't be overlooked just because they're not very attractive. I've dated plenty of girls who weren't very attractive, and those were some of my favorite girlfriends. I'm mainly talking about a situation where you're at a bar and some random girl walks up to you to start a conversation (with the intention of getting in …
/r/seduction17/02/13 03:08 AM
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I basically agree with you, but I think there's a lot of different situations where the dynamics become much more complex. It's hard to pinpoint the "right" approach for certain situations (whether we're talking about guys or girls) -- I think you're generally right, but I've been involved in a lot of situations where I had the complete opposite motivations for shit.
/r/seduction17/02/13 01:38 AM
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Like ToxxicSynergy said, it's a fine line. For me personally, I used to be overly protective, and that cost me a few relationships. Since then, I've basically become the opposite of that -- "Oh, you want to hit on my girlfriend? Awesome!" or "Oh you're touching her inappropriately? Cool, let's see how that works out for you." Those thoughts aren't even sarcastic -- I'm literally rooting for the guy and anxious to see if it's effective. IMO (again though, my current opinion is heavily influenced …
/r/seduction17/02/13 12:26 AM
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Like these guys have said, R just sounds like a bitch, whereas S probably doesn't even realize that she's causing you some discomfort (and/or she still likes you, in which case, respond however you want -- the ball's in your court if she still likes you). Frankly, with S, I would flatter her -- but I'm a dick and I like to keep my options open. She's probably mostly just treating you as a friend though, so be a friend. What's weird though is this: If we're friends, we're platonic friends. I refu…
/r/seduction17/02/13 12:12 AM
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To take it further, the whole idea is reinforced by gender roles. The guy makes the approach, the guy does this and that, while the girl usually can just sit back and be more passive. In other words, girls (especially better-looking/higher-value girls) generally don't approach as often, generally don't make moves as often, etc. So in my mind at least, there's gotta be something wrong with the girls who do go out of their way to do that -- look at any male celebrity with a huge fandom. He's liter…
/r/seduction16/02/13 11:49 PM
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I'll retort and say: Be shameless. Being humble can be great (for the birds), but you're trying to fuck a girl, not a bird (though, feel free if that's what you're in to -- I don't judge). The guy who possesses every awesome quality will always be the best choice. Since I'm not that guy, I do what I can. Sometimes it's perfect and I make shit happen. Other times, I'm "shameless," and I do whatever I need to do. This has been a plug for the show "Shameless," on Showtime. But for realsies, watch t…
/r/seduction12/02/13 08:21 AM
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The schedule's open right now, so it's open game. We'd be happy to get another AMA from any of the Simple Pickup guys.
/r/seduction12/02/13 08:00 AM
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It's weird for me, because I've been to Illinois, Kansas, Missouri, Indiana, and most other "Midwestern" states (Wisconsin, etc. -- basically most states in the Big10/Big12). The most blatant racism I've seen was in Indiana (as evidenced by the Confederate flags, owned by people who were openly racist). That simply wasn't as prevalent in other states. Like we both said though, it'd be weird to call Indiana a "southern" state, since it's pretty far north as far as US states go. I might as well co…
/r/seduction12/02/13 07:52 AM
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I'm the one who sets up AMAs, so that's probably true.
/r/seduction12/02/13 07:16 AM
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Nah, not at all. Shit happens. I was young when I experienced the more "violent" stuff, and the other kids were young too. I grew up a lot since then (especially physically), and I'll admit that I bullied some kids in similar ways -- I wasn't an actual bully, but I'd go along with whatever my friends were doing. You eventually reach a point where you know it's not helpful, so you change your mindset. It happened really quickly for me (literally, from one school year to the next), and I've been "…
/r/seduction12/02/13 06:55 AM
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The whole world opens up to you once you're able to see it from that perspective. That's still basically how I view the world, so it's all good.
/r/seduction12/02/13 06:46 AM
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Yep. More importantly, it's the context that really matters. In the "games" that OP's describing (and in the shit that I do all the time), you're not worried for a second about how you'll be perceived. I always describe it as an "inside joke between you and yourself." You really don't give a shit about how someone responds to it -- and in fact, it's better if they respond in an unexpected way. Even better if they perceive it as a personal insult -- then I can laugh to myself about it later on. I…
/r/seduction12/02/13 12:54 AM
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I'm sure much can be said of Idaho, but it's basically "forgotten." I had to look it up just to see where it was -- being next to Oregon and Washington doesn't help much. Here's the Wikipedia article about the "southern states." Indiana can easily pass as a "southern" state in terms of the general views, but the fact that it's located in the north is what causes some disagreement. In terms of politics, especially in regard to race, southern Indiana might as well be Alabama. Northern Indiana also…
/r/seduction12/02/13 12:23 AM
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ThrowawayPUA will be mad at me for mentioning them, but the Simple Pickup guys pretty much rely on random lines in almost all of their videos. They just say random shit and see what happens. Just keep in mind, for every "successful" attempt you see, they've removed probably 20 of the same attempts that didn't work very well. Based on what I've seen from them (and based on one of the AMAs they did), I think they're all naturally pretty good at getting girls, and good at improvising. So when they …
/r/seduction12/02/13 12:03 AM
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Having lived in a predominately black neighborhood, and after later visiting a major city many times (and a few other major cities), I'd say a nod is always good, but in those big cities especially, a simple "stare" accomplishes the same goal, because it shows (to them, at least) that you're not a pussy. And we're not even talking about that situation in the first place -- where you're walking by yourself at 2am and happen to meet a bunch of guys who are trying to start a fight -- the OP (I woul…
/r/seduction11/02/13 11:29 PM
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I'd say there are 40 frogmas for every HB8. Are there also a bunch of other douchebags who do dumb shit? Definitely. You take the goods and the bads. For every frogma, there's maybe 3 girls who will go out of their way to approach in the first place. For everything else, there's mastercard.
/r/seduction11/02/13 08:32 PM
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We're working on the wiki right now -- not as hard as we should be (I myself haven't even touched the wiki, so give credit to ThrowawayPUA and PUACurveBall for handling that stuff) -- so we'll try to include various things like this. If anyone's wondering, we can't simply add random comments/posts to the sidebar, because we're only allowed so much space for the sidebar (and it's admittedly a bit jumbled, but it's about the best we can do). Reddit's wiki system had been under construction for lik…
/r/seduction11/02/13 07:07 PM
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These are all great, and I've done all of them a lot. I didn't start freestyling until more recently (my housemate was fuckin great at it and would always challenge me), and I suck balls at it, but it's a lot of fun (not to toot my own horn, but I'm much better than him at coming up with lyrics when I have some time to think about them). Most people here (including myself) wouldn't recommend Mystery-style peacocking in general, but it's great every once in a while. Just look at Halloween, where …
/r/seduction11/02/13 06:56 PM
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With some girls, it won't work at all -- but I'd say for most, it depends more on how quickly/efficiently you can build rapport and comfort than on... her own preconceived notions or anything like that. Like even if she's a huge prude who doesn't normally go for that sort of thing, it's still at least possible to build up a huge amount of rapport in a short period of time. I don't do the dinner shit because I'm young, I can't cook, and it's much easier to just invite her over for a movie. But th…
/r/seduction11/02/13 06:04 PM
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I mentioned this in a comment on that thread -- the user definitely overexaggerated the amount of abundance a typical woman has, but you said yourself that women generally have more than men. Also, as true as it may be that uglier girls don't have much (if any) abundance -- and despite the fact that I'm a bit of a manwhore -- I still generally try to hook up with hotter girls, and they definitely have more abundance. I don't think that can even be questioned. Add to that the fact that "seduction…
/r/seduction11/02/13 03:46 PM
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Even so, you'll probably find a direct correlation between the amount of sleazeballs who cat-call her and the amount of "normal" guys who also express interest.
/r/seduction11/02/13 03:18 PM
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This is a bit exaggerated like well_deserved_karma said, but it's basically the core answer. Notice how it's OP who seems more emotionally invested. I have a theory (not exactly a theory, just an observation) that guys are actually more likely to get emotionally-attached (due to the lack of abundance, generally) in lieu of sexual attraction. We tend to have less emotional outlets, and less abundance, so when we get a new "outlet," it's harder for us to let it go. Whereas girls tend to have more …
/r/seduction11/02/13 03:15 PM
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Kinda like what you and Kfeno said, nonverbal communication also has a huge impact on how your words/non-words get interpreted. If I tell a funny joke while frowning/scowling, it basically ruins the joke (unless scowling is part of the act). If I don't use any hand gestures or other movements, the joke might fall flat because I don't even seem interested in it myself (again, unless I'm purposely being deadpan). If I don't use the right inflection/tone, or can't deliver the punchline the "correct…
/r/seduction11/02/13 06:44 AM
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Trust me, I feel the same the same way. In 6th grade, I bought my "girlfriend" (who I had basically never spoken to) a box of chocolates and a Teddy bear, while she gave me a card and I think a different box of chocolates. For both of us, we gave "appropriate" gifts, but neither of them meant anything. And since it was so close to valentine's day, we both sent them just because it was customary. I'd never tell OP to do something like that, mostly because it sounds like he's older, and partly bec…
/r/seduction05/02/13 11:06 PM
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I generally agree, but I think a card is stupid, a text is too impersonal, and a bar of chocolate is... weird, unless you present it in a certain way. If he literally just started dating the girl, I wouldn't give her anything at all. I'd acknowledge the fact that it's her birthday, and I'd probably spend most of the day with her, but I probably wouldn't give her a random "gift" for it. If we've been dating for a longer period, then yeah, I'd give her a gift, but I don't think something like that…
/r/seduction05/02/13 10:15 PM
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Don't treat it much differently than normal. Show her a good time, maybe open some extra doors, etc. If you just started dating, you don't have much of an "obligation" to do something "unique." And she knows that. She certainly wouldn't do much for you if you were in that situation. Make sure to acknowledge the fact that it's her birthday, but if you just started dating, you have no obligation to give her some sort of "party/present" -- or anything similar. If you asked one of those newspaper-ad…
/r/seduction05/02/13 10:11 PM
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In addition to what puaCurveBall said, text her once like every four days. And don't respond when she randomly texts you. If she's away at school and also does random flirty shit with everyone, you might as well do something different. Or like CurveBall said, just don't give a shit either way. If you truly don't give a shit, you'll probably get some better results.
/r/seduction05/02/13 10:00 PM
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Exactly, and then the question becomes -- did they later respond to you because they'd already handed you the drink, or did they later respond because you made a semi-funny joke (regardless of the subject)? I'd say both of those aspects played a pretty significant role. But studies have been done to show that an act of reciprocation doesn't need to be influenced by a similar act -- there was one example where a guy was trying to raise money for some cause. When he simply asked for money, he didn…
/r/seduction05/02/13 08:02 PM
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Yep. This post was originally caught in the spam filter, but I approved it because I knew it could lead to good arguments like this. I don't even have to look at your source, because I know there are many legitimate sources that support the idea. And we all have to remember -- your decision to reciprocate isn't always based on a conscious effort. It's often based on a sort of unconscious "whim." But that "whim" is still influenced by things that happened in the past, even if none of it enters yo…
/r/seduction05/02/13 06:35 PM
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Yep. It's not a science, so there's never a right answer. We just try to figure out what can work in a lot of situations. There will always be examples where it doesn't work at all. Similar to how psychology tends to follow different concepts, based on which classical psychologist/philosopher you tend to agree with. Nobody has ever decided that one of those people were "right" or that others were "wrong." Human interaction can't follow absolutes, so there will always be differing opinions (if it…
/r/seduction05/02/13 06:22 PM
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I upvoted you, and I agree, but the stuff you're describing is more focused on some of the bullshit "seduction" sites that are only trying to make money -- so they tell you to do "5 steps", and if you didn't do them "right," that's your own fault and the blame can't be placed on them. This is one of the main reasons why most people in the community don't follow the "Mystery Method," and why most current PUAs focus on more "natural" approaches/interactions.
/r/seduction05/02/13 05:31 PM
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I mentioned above that I've talked to like 4 married girls in the past month before their husbands would come into the bar and I'd back off. There was this one girl I'd seen like 3 times in the past five weeks or so, and every time I saw her, we'd both be really happy to see each other, we'd sit at the bar together, we'd flirt a bit, but for various reasons, I wouldn't try to make any moves. The latest time I was at that bar, she showed up, we were both excited to see each other, etc. After like…
/r/seduction05/02/13 05:22 PM
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To take it down to basic seduction "lessons," these guys weren't calibrating at all. Calibration, in most cases, means that you can't just ignore social dynamics, you can't just ignore a certain girl's belief-system, etc. If you completely ignore things like that, you're just biting yourself in the foot. Social dynamics tell us that it's usually not a good idea to immediately put your arm around a girl's waist (there are plenty of exceptions to that, but those exceptions prove the rule). When ev…
/r/seduction05/02/13 04:51 PM
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You have some fucked-up views of seddit (looking through some of your other comments that were also completely off-base). Label people as HBs, PUAs, AFCs The acronyms themselves have nothing to do with the rest of your assertion. They're just terms -- much like the terms you use in the BDSM community. I'd argue that the term "sub" implies that a person is submissive and that you want to dominate them, which is shitty -- you'd respond by telling me I know nothing about the BDSM community, and you…
/r/seduction05/02/13 02:41 PM
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Definitely try, if you can. Obviously for seddit, our biggest AMAs will be with Tyler and Mystery, since they're basically the only big names who we haven't directly spoken to (I'm in charge of all the AMAs right now, so I'm the one who emails people -- we've gotten AMAs from most of the people we want to hear from, except for Tyler and Mystery). If you have a bit of a closer relationship with anyone, let me know.
/r/seduction31/01/13 06:29 PM
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For in-field videos at least, I'm sure some are fake, but I bet most of the 3-minute ones out on the street at night are legit. In most cases, it's actually gonna be easier to keep the convo short, because a 2-hour-long night where you're going back and forth doing different shit would probably be pretty boring at various parts, and nowhere near as easy to capture on video consistently. Whereas for shorter approaches/convos, you can do like 50 in a night and end up with 10 good ones (and just ge…
/r/seduction25/01/13 03:09 PM
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I've already set up AMAs with various guys at RSD (most of them have already done the AMAs, but we'll likely get a few more, as well as a few repeats in due time), but Owen's a hard guy to get a hold of, even for RSD's marketing guy. Owen's been CC'd on a lot of our emails, so he's probably seen most (or all) of them, but has never responded to any of them. Since that's the main way to contact him, there's not much else I can do besides wait for some more AMAs and hope he volunteers to do one. E…
/r/seduction25/01/13 02:41 PM
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Regardless of anything else, the number one thing to realize is that most people won't care that you're by yourself, and even for some of the people who do notice, they're extremely unlikely to mock you for it (it happens, just nowhere near as often as you might think). And people are more likely to notice if you already seem awkward and unsure of yourself. If you don't give a fuck, and you appear not to give a fuck, only the douchiest of douches will try to call you out on it.
/r/seduction22/01/13 05:59 PM
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It's a joke. I'm not being serious.
/r/seduction18/01/13 01:48 AM
2

I would say the "Nurturing dependence" and "Inspiring hope" are natural behaviors exhibited by everyone.
/r/seduction18/01/13 12:50 AM
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Especially when we go get something to eat at a cheap place, it's just pretty obvious that neither of us are really attracted to each other. I've gone out to eat with girls who were currently in a relationship with my best friend, so I obviously wasn't trying to start shit, and unless they read the situation completely wrong, they weren't trying to do that either. It's more complicated when you're both single and looking, but even then, your general actions should make it pretty clear that you'r…
/r/seduction17/01/13 09:31 PM
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The only reason I don't agree is because I've heard that things like major depression can completely warp your point-of-view, and the depression doesn't need to have a definitive source. Otherwise, I totally agree with you, and IMO, most people who are "depressed" aren't actually "depressed," at least not in a way that physically prevents them from changing their mindset. In most cases, the issue is with mindset in the first place, which is something that can be changed in most situations.
/r/seduction17/01/13 08:37 PM
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It was never a general context though. It started as a case where he gave specific advice to a guy who wanted to get laid within 2 weeks in order to win a bet. Then somebody must've liked the comment, and told him to make it a post on seddit, so he did. The reason why liquor and OkCupid were mentioned was because they'd both help you get laid if you only had 2 weeks to get laid.
/r/seduction17/01/13 08:17 PM
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As bad as the DENNIS system is -- especially with how Dennis himself uses it -- it's not entirely "wrong." The basic points of it are all pretty true-to-life, except for the parts where he becomes a jackass.
/r/seduction17/01/13 08:06 PM
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Well yeah. But in that case, don't make it sound like you have every DVD in the world. Just tell/ask her to watch something with you on netflix. If you have access to piratebay (is their site still available? I dunno, because I get files from about a billion other sites now), then it's the same exact situation. Link the audio and video cords to your TV (through the laptop, obviously), and it's just like watching regular TV. More recently, I wasn't able to find the audio cord. So I layed on the c…
/r/seduction17/01/13 07:59 PM
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Even for less experienced guys, they likely (hopefully) have some female acquaintances either way, even if they aren't attracted to them. I have a ton of female friends who I'd never fuck in a million years since I'm not attracted to them, but I'm still friends with them. I even have some ex-girlfriends who are still currently friends with me -- there's no weirdness because neither of us are attracted to each other any more. I'm not "close" with many girls anymore since I don't really care about…
/r/seduction17/01/13 07:16 PM
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Sounds good.
/r/seduction17/01/13 06:22 PM
1

Close to Chicago. Ohio's got some great girls (and Ohio State especially has hot girls). Where I was at in Michigan had some great girls too. There was a post on SubredditDrama yesterday where this guy tried to argue that girls from Norway were generally hotter than girls from Texas, and while I don't exactly disagree, I think the proportion of "hot" girls is basically the same in both places. IMO, California tends to have the hottest girls, followed closely by Arizona, followed closely by basic…
/r/seduction17/01/13 06:16 PM
1

I assume you're on the East or West coast if your parents are immigrants. I've been to Cali (for a bit) and NY (just to visit). I'm in the Midwest.
/r/seduction17/01/13 05:59 PM
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I'm American :(. I just called you mate because I was referencing Australians.
/r/seduction17/01/13 05:52 PM
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I'm not great with geography (and by that I mean, I'd never be able to put all the US states in the right spot, let alone anything outside the states). Cambodia's a lot further south than I would've imagined (you're basically Australian, mate). You're basically right between Japan and Australia -- from a certain angle. That's nuts (to me, since I had no idea). I told OP to ask you more about shit though, because I'd bet even in your circumstances, you know much more about Asian culture than I do…
/r/seduction17/01/13 05:34 PM
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Are you still going after Eastern girls more often? Get on some of those UK girls. In America, most Asians still have the same cultural "hangups" when it comes to sexuality and shit like that. I got lucky -- the only Asian I ever dated was raised in Hawaii by white parents and was basically more "American" than I am (she talked like a punk chick -- though in every couple sentences, she would pronounce a word or two with a distinct Japanese accent -- which was really endearing). I'd have to assum…
/r/seduction17/01/13 05:26 PM
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It's not really your fault. OP could've done a much better job phrasing the post -- I know he's basically joking about getting drunk all the time, and basically joking about how smoking can be "good" (he's literally only referring to the social opportunities it can give you). Looking at most of these comments, it looks like OP originally made the post without adding the context (in which he gave specific advice to a guy who wants to get laid in the next 2 weeks in order to win a bet). So before …
/r/seduction17/01/13 04:58 PM
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In that case, Vichet's advice might be more relevant for you. I think he lives in America (might be wrong though), but I bet he knows much more about Asian cultural standards than I do. Since you're Arab, and since you're living where you do, you probably have a lot of cultural tradition that influences the way people act. And since I haven't been there and know little to nothing about it, I can only give pretty general advice.
/r/seduction17/01/13 04:46 PM
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Yep. I agree. Like I said though, if it's a case where the girl seemingly has a pretty normal life with a pretty normal social group (for example, I know a few girls with mutual friends in my social group who "seem" to be very insecure -- yet here they are getting drunk at this party with me), then there's no reason to treat them any differently. A lot of her insecurities are probably the same as my own insecurities, she just gets more hung-up on them and will be more likely to talk about them. …
/r/seduction17/01/13 04:34 PM
2

Not that I advocate actively shit-testing people. But, it's a good tool. That's why everyone does it so much. I was originally gonna say, in terms of what technically works (but is also extremely manipulative), it can be really effective to play on the person's insecurities. Back when I was more of a dick, I'd sometimes do that (often not really on purpose, but I kinda understood the effect it had). It's similar to why women who are abused tend to stay with their abuser, or even after leaving, w…
/r/seduction17/01/13 04:12 PM
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Hard to say exactly, because a lot of people tend to have self-esteem issues, so not much needs to change in most cases (IMO). In terms of your own inner game, it's better to just treat everyone pretty similarly unless they're somehow an outlier (a particularly hot girl, a particularly "ugly" girl, or maybe in this case, a particularly insecure girl). Assuming her level of self-esteem is at the lower end of the spectrum, then you definitely don't want to tease her as much (it's too easy for her …
/r/seduction17/01/13 03:49 PM
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Fuck yeah I've noticed it. I've had a decent amount of approaches where the girl clearly wasn't interested and just kinda half-assed the conversation, but I've literally only had a few where they were actually antagonistic, or actually blew me off, or anything remotely similar to that. The vast majority of girls aren't bothered by it, and IMO even many of the girls who say they're bothered by it are probably mostly referring to pretty specific situations (like when a guy came on really bold/awkw…
/r/seduction17/01/13 03:29 PM
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He's not talking about an interaction with one girl. He was saying that if you feel the need to get laid within a really short time-span for whatever reason, these are some things you can try that might help make that happen (except I completely disagree with the polo/blazer combo -- everything else was okay though, just in terms of getting laid really quickly). I have a feeling we might be deleting this post pretty soon though, because most people either didn't see the context that OP added in …
/r/seduction17/01/13 02:56 PM
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OP's point (can anyone read things correctly, or do they just skip over most of the context?) is that smoking gives you extra social situations (outside of buildings, there will often be groups of people smoking, who will already have some things in common with you -- they're smoking, they're outside of the same building, depending on the area, it's likely pretty cold, etc.). He meant that being a smoker can help in some social contexts. And he's mostly joking with a few of the things he said in…
/r/seduction17/01/13 02:50 PM
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I feel like I need to reply to every comment here to reiterate that OP was giving specific advice to a guy who needs to get laid in the next 2 weeks to win a bet. In that case, then yeah, the basic advice should be "Just get drunk and party like a rockstar for the next 2 weeks."
/r/seduction17/01/13 02:41 PM
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I think OP was kinda joking. I don't think he actually thinks that not drinking is a "bad" habit.
/r/seduction17/01/13 02:39 PM
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OP was giving specific advice for a guy who needs to get laid in the next 2 weeks because of some bet he made. I also disagree with the polo and blazer thing (that sounds ridiculous), but the rest of it isn't necessarily "bad" advice for a guy who's trying to win a random bet within the next few weeks. A lot of it definitely doesn't work well as general advice, but since it wasn't exactly meant to be general advice, that's not a big deal.
/r/seduction17/01/13 02:37 PM
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The guy asking for advice needed to get laid in the next 2 weeks or so, and probably didn't want a hooker (I don't know how common hookers are in your area, or why they're even considered a legit option when they're illegal). So, OP basically said "Get drunk and party a lot" -- even if it goes against some special "inner game" mentality, you really can't deny that it's one of the easiest ways to get laid, especially if you feel pressured to do it within a short amount of time (if the guy loses t…
/r/seduction17/01/13 02:34 PM
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I completely disagree. /r/askwomen is full of women who only have experience with themselves and some random guys (some of whom are probably pretty cool, while many others aren't). So yeah, when a woman says "Don't approach me," or "Don't compliment me on anything" (which seems to be what you were describing), that can easily be true for that woman, as far as she's concerned. It definitely won't be true for all or even most women though (I can vouch for that myself), and even for the woman who s…
/r/seduction17/01/13 02:09 PM
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As someone who's met ImKumarYo, yeah, he's not bullshitting.
/r/seduction15/01/13 10:50 AM
1

I've been hit in the balls a lot (all because of inside jokes and dumb shit like that). I guess I'm used to it, so I'd rather just get it over with, instead of paying money (which is much more important to me).
/r/seduction14/01/13 08:37 PM
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I'd rather get hit in the nuts than have to give 100 bucks. 100's a hell of a lot to me, whereas I've been kicked in the balls plenty of times -- and it's hurt a lot -- but the feeling usually subsides after a couple minutes. Hell, in most situations, I'd rather get kicked hard in the nuts instead of giving 10 bucks to some guy just because they won a random drunken bet (which is usually where this argument becomes relevant). And in many cases, I'd rather have it be a situation where the nut-sho…
/r/seduction14/01/13 07:29 PM
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The advice most often given here is that you shouldn't shit where you eat. At the same time, I wouldn't be here if my parents hadn't met at work, and my half-brothers wouldn't be here if their parents hadn't met at work. The workplace is still the #1 (maybe #2 now) place where future spouses meet each other. The main issue is that it's very easy for the girl to make false claims about you, the situation can get awkward after you've separated, so on and so forth. You don't want that. So it depend…
/r/seduction14/01/13 07:12 PM
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The unexpectedness makes it more exciting, and you don't need to pay any money. Plus, you're hoping to accomplish the challenge in the first place, not to fail it.
/r/seduction14/01/13 07:05 PM
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IMO, "charisma" itself is more of a natural thing, but the idea behind it is to love yourself and to love other people, regardless of who they are. In the past, I'd never talk to any bums, or guys who seemed a bit questionable, but now I often do, simply because I'm interested to hear their stories. [I should note -- after giving out tons of money to bums, I definitely don't go out of my way to talk to them anymore, and tend to ignore them if it seems like they only want money.] But I think "cha…
/r/seduction14/01/13 06:57 PM
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I didn't read your comment very closely before making my own (which was similar), but yeah, I agree with basically everything you said here.
/r/seduction14/01/13 06:33 PM
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If that's your actual situation right now, you either need to start making some more "subtle" moves ASAP, or get a counselor (depending on how bad the situation is). I'm not the best guy to ask since I'm 22 and single, but I'd start by giving your wife some nonchalant compliments about random shit. Don't just compliment her cooking or any traditional shit like that, but if you think a certain shirt looks good on her, tell her -- if you think she did a good job on her makeup, let her know. If you…
/r/seduction14/01/13 06:12 PM
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She forgave him since he started being aggressive. If he had never been aggressive, she never would've gotten with him. That's all we mean with that saying. It's basically common sense (if you never make a move, nothing's gonna happen), but it sounds nice as a motivational phrase. Also, in my experience, girls are fairly likely to forgive you when you do something "too aggressive," assuming it's not something terrible. So the phrase is just another way of saying "Make a move." Edit to add: And f…
/r/seduction14/01/13 04:07 PM
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This is a late reply, but I firmly believe (and you'll see this mentioned a lot) that texting, when done more than seldomly, makes it far easier to lose attraction -- unless you're sexting. You might think you're building attraction, and it might feel like you are, but without being there in-person, it just won't have that same effect. It's words on a screen -- you have no idea how those words are being interpreted, and regardless of how she responds, you don't actually know how she feels about …
/r/seduction14/01/13 05:19 AM
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He hasn't responded.
/r/seduction14/01/13 05:09 AM
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I think it's pretty true that "hanging out" is becoming more common than the "traditional" date, especially for younger people (though for some reason the author tries to blame guys for that -- as if it isn't a mutual thing, and as if it's an inherently bad thing). The last time I took a girl on a "date date" was like junior year of high school. Every time since then is usually more like "Hey, come over to my place," or "Hey, you mind if I come over," or "Hey, let's go hang out at [place]." Espe…
/r/seduction13/01/13 07:10 PM
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A few reasons we tend to disagree with that notion: How many times has a heterosexual woman approached another heterosexual woman and then had sex with her? Assuming she's 100% hetero, she's done it exactly zero times. So she's gauging what we do from the completely opposite perspective, whereas a guy who's had a lot of experience is looking at it from the exact same perspective, has gone through the same hardships, can tell you his own thought-process from that same perspective, so on and so fo…
/r/seduction12/01/13 07:50 PM
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Yep. I agree with everything you said.
/r/seduction10/01/13 11:29 PM
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I agree with basically everything you said. I remember even if I tried to be scarce, they'd get upset. This is the whole point of being scarce. Let them be mad/anxious. That's exactly what you want. I'll agree that texting can somewhat build comfort, depending on the convo, but I'd still assert that it doesn't usually build attraction, and it's far more likely to decrease attraction, no matter what the convo is about (unless it's sexting, like I said). It also depends on if she perceived you to …
/r/seduction10/01/13 10:53 PM
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In high school especially, I'd say it doesn't hurt much (if at all), assuming you play it right. But in most cases, you actually do lose attraction, unless you're literally sexting with the girl. Main reason is because there's no pressure. There's no pressure for you, and more importantly, there's no pressure for her. You're not talking to each other in-person, so you get to think of some "witty" shit (which often won't be as witty as you had hoped), and/or she has to stop texting for a bit (bus…
/r/seduction10/01/13 10:30 PM
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Not sure why you're being downvoted. Unless you're Michael_Cassio and multiple girls are telling you you're the "best texter they know," you probably shouldn't text so often. Hell, even for him, I'd bet he's losing attraction in a ton of cases, and isn't building any in most cases. It's an illusion, Michael. A trick is something a whore does for money.
/r/seduction10/01/13 09:42 PM
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Picture this, good looking guy standing at the bar, makes eye contact with a girl on the other side of the bar. The girl smiles and motions for him to come over, but he turns his head to see who she's looking at. Even if this guy does come over and say hello, he has torpedoed any attraction she felt for him. I basically said the same thing -- I think we're just looking at it from different points in the interaction. I said: the only way you can fuck it up is by... fucking it up. I'm not much of …
/r/seduction10/01/13 08:32 PM
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I'll PM him. Edit: I responded to him a while ago about this, then PM'd him. He either went to bed or just hasn't replied. I won't make a judgment either way (hell, even if it seems like all this shit was fake, it still made for a good discussion, so I'd leave it up either way). Regardless, I can't get over the fact that he seemed to be totally unsure of himself in the first post, but he's now somehow acting maturely (yet, not maturely, since he still wants to see this girl who he himself had pr…
/r/seduction10/01/13 08:26 PM
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He didn't escalate. But in his most recent comment, he says he's rich and has been with plenty of girls before. The more I look over it, the more I question the whole story. I'm not usually one to question shit like this (I just give the guy the benefit of the doubt), but his most recent comment seems to negate most of the shit he said previously (check the first post to see what I mean).
/r/seduction10/01/13 08:20 PM
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I think samofny was joking, but read OP's first post. He mentions that the girl has issues with touching, yet tells him she's fucked 7 guys (she's 18), has an eating disorder, and some other crap I can't remember right now. So many things were mentioned, I immediately assumed she was exaggerating (and I still think she was). How many girls do you know who have eating disorders, supposedly don't like being touched (yet volunteer the info that they've fucked a few guys at an early age), and blah b…
/r/seduction10/01/13 08:18 PM
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Story sounds too crazy to be true I think it is. I won't automatically dismiss OP, but he's either exaggerating certain things, or this girl has been exaggerating some of her issues, or both. Either way, you're right. She was never giving him "shit-tests" (maybe sometimes, in certain situations). This is just how she generally acts. OP's already considered some of her actions to be shit-tests, so I don't know why he's now saying that she seems to be pretty genuine. IMO, she was being "genuine" t…
/r/seduction10/01/13 08:11 PM
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I think the main issue is (unless OP's just making up this story entirely), he believes that the girl is congruent and generally honest about the shit she's been through, the shit she's currently going through, etc. As I said in the original post, I don't think that's the case. At the very least, I think she's exaggerating some things -- she doesn't like being touched, but has fucked numerous guys, presumably in the past 3 years or less, since she's only 18 now. If she's exaggerating that in the…
/r/seduction10/01/13 08:03 PM
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Let me know if I'm wrong. You can give me "proof," but unless you've got naked pics or some other unique way of proving the situation, there's not much else you can provide. Texts, other pics, etc. All that shit can either be faked or can be irrelevant. That's why we usually just assume the guy's telling the truth unless the story itself seems obviously fake. I'm not saying your story is fake, per se, it's just very hard for me to believe it went down the way you say it did, especially since you…
/r/seduction10/01/13 06:52 PM
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It's got nothing to do with "success" dude. You didn't even have any success. I'll put it this way -- in your first post, you mentioned that she was basically crazy and you were "looking for advice." In the next post, you say you're about to go on the date, then in the edit you say that you've gone on the date, that she is crazy, that you didn't escalate at all (due to the craziness/bitchiness) and that even so, you want a second date. Which is already really questionable. And then in this comme…
/r/seduction10/01/13 06:03 PM
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Yeah... after the first post, this most recent reply sounds like absolute bullshit to me. I won't delete the post, but I'll contemplate it. To clarify, the first post makes it sound like he has absolutely no idea what he's doing, and that he knows this girl is fuckin nuts. The second post adds to the fact that she's trouble, but then he says he wants another date anyway (which is a bad idea, according to most people). And now in this comment, he's suddenly completely sure of himself, seems to be…
/r/seduction10/01/13 05:44 PM
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I don't fully agree with OP on that one (anecdotally, the most successful guys from my high school -- and a lot from college -- tend to be pretty cocky/funny, the same way anyone else would do it), but I think the idea is that many girls are already looking for that A-list actor from the chick flick they watched last night. If you're already a Brad Pitt lookalike, you can basically fulfill that fantasy for her by treating her like she's the girl in that chick flick. Real life is a thousand times…
/r/seduction10/01/13 01:54 PM
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I said this down below, but I wanted to add it here too. It took me a while to think about why this girl's story sounded so... familiar, I guess? It sounded familiar because I dated a couple girls who made up sob-stories for absolutely no reason (well, it was partly to get attention, partly because they love drama, and partly to get sympathy). One girlfriend claimed that she had been pregnant -- at the age of like 15 -- with her previous boyfriend, and then he kicked her down the stairs one day,…
/r/seduction07/01/13 04:06 PM
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I've refrained from commenting so far, because I'd usually give the girl the benefit of the doubt, but yeah, I basically agree with you. I mean, I'm sure there's maybe a handful of girls like this who exist, but there really aren't too many who have all of these issues simultaneously, and will volunteer all that info the first time you meet them. I've met a few girls like that, and had reason to be suspicious of all of them. They're usually from upper-middle class suburban families. Hell, the "r…
/r/seduction07/01/13 03:42 PM
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Feminism's been huge in the "seduction" community for the past 8 years or so, especially as it deals with "agency" and shit like that. It's also a big counter to the "white knights" at bars who will immediately interrupt you when you're having an innocent convo with someone. I've had that happen while talking to 60-year-olds at bars, and the 60-year-old husband came over and told me to back off. It's like "Alright, that's cool -- I wasn't actually hitting on your wife, but if you're just trying …
/r/seduction04/01/13 07:55 AM
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People are randomly downvoting you -- you could've expanded a bit though. As it stands right now, NLP doesn't have much support from the scientific community. There are certain parts that are supported, but many others that aren't. Evo psych is a whole other issue, and people draw too many conclusions based on it, but a lot of those conclusions are also based on current culture, which is pretty influential itself. For instance, guys usually need to approach (I'd even say they need to approach ab…
/r/seduction04/01/13 07:12 AM
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Your friend's either just started his studies or has latched onto a certain branch of psychology. I went to a therapist back in the day who was a great guy to talk to, who had been in a frat and understood what I was talking about. If English isn't your first language, that's understandable -- different countries tend to do things differently. Or you just had an "off" night.
/r/seduction04/01/13 04:28 AM
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1) Doesn't it come off weird if you start kinoing the girls back at your place after no kino beforehand? Do you just place your hand on their thigh once they sit next to you? It can be weird as hell, but that's not a hard-and-fast rule. In high school, I definitely wasn't touching girls until I randomly kissed them out of nowhere. To try to explain it better -- no kino whatsoever might make things more awkward, but it won't kill you. Using some kino (assuming you do it right) will help, but it's…
/r/seduction02/01/13 12:45 AM
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I think he's exaggerating the numbers a bit, but no, it's not hard to flirt with (and then try to fuck) 500 women. It just seems hard at first, but then you learn to deal with it. Most of the "naturals" I know aren't even naturals -- they're just guys who got a lot of early experience with women (mostly from family and early friend-groups), so now it's familiar to them.
/r/seduction02/01/13 12:41 AM
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If they're just on a couch watching a movie, it's better to just put your hand there automatically, like it's the most natural thing in the world. She won't question it because of how "naturally" you did it. It's easier to do while you're talking, but you can do it randomly too. Like as soon as you sit on the couch, you throw your hand over there like it's no big deal.
/r/seduction02/01/13 12:21 AM
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I assume it's because she reached out to him, so he already knew she was dtf, and the way she phrased things made it even more obvious (laughing at everything, wanting to know more about him, etc.). Honestly I think he overdid it with the sex-talk, but it was good either way.
/r/seduction30/12/12 08:31 PM
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See, this is where it gets weird, because I know many guys feel the same way (I usually do). But I learned to sort of... "lower" my standards a bit -- not in a man-whorish way, necessarily, but I've gone around the bar/party and just chatted with various girls (or even more often, random groups of people that happened to include some girls). And what I've found is that 99% of people will be open to you, even if you say something dumb/insignificant/unrelated. They'll still be curious about you (a…
/r/seduction28/12/12 09:09 AM
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If you're a woman, trust me when I say you can throw most of that out the window because it won't apply to you. You can literally approach any guy you want, and as long as you don't look like the Hunchback of Notre Dame, or act like the Hunchback of Notre Dame, he'll at least humor you. Embrace that, and use it to your advantage. Even some of the hottest guys in the world aren't being regularly approached by girls. So differentiate yourself, and let him notice you. If you were approaching me, I'…
/r/seduction28/12/12 08:40 AM
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But the guy who happens to be sitting next to me at the bar, playing pool on the table next to mine or standing next to me watching someone doing something, it could just be friendly. BOOM. This is how I approach. There's no pressure, it's easy to tell if she's interested, and at the very least, you have a decent convo or get to play a game together. At the least.
/r/seduction28/12/12 08:03 AM
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Were you not from Boston? I ask because it really depends on how you approach shit. Obviously when I was in San Fran I wasn't randomly approaching girls, but I'd approach them when the situation was ripe (like, when I needed directions and shit like that, then I'd expand the conversation). I just have a bias in thinking that NYC is worse than Boston, no matter what. But if you can give more specifics about girls in Boston, I'd like to hear (I've never tried to pick up girls in either place, so I…
/r/seduction28/12/12 07:59 AM
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Yep. You put it brilliantly. The "image" is mostly cultivated by Mystery (since he had the show and was really popular for a while), and then for the most part, it's all behind-the-scenes and less "flashy." Except in certain cases where it is more flashy, where some asshole tries to stir some controversy, and then the whole country is talking about that asshole for the next week. And they become familiar with that asshole, and they link him to the community, and thus, the community itself is inh…
/r/seduction28/12/12 07:41 AM
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We like to have fun here.
/r/seduction28/12/12 04:57 AM
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What the fuck did you just say about me?! This is Murca, motherfucker.
/r/seduction28/12/12 04:36 AM
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This is literally about 80% of what I do. Hell, this is the only thing I do in a lot of situations. I'll walk up to a girl at a party and tell her she looks bored. She'll refute that notion, and then we'll make out. I'll ask her what she's drinking -- most of the time, I already know, but I'll ask to get a sip of it either way. If I don't know, that's even better, because she gets to school me on it. And like you said, the "Why aren't you smiling/happy" always tends to work at a party or a bar, …
/r/seduction27/12/12 11:53 PM
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You're both 100% correct, you're just looking at it from different perspectives. Which is fine.
/r/seduction27/12/12 11:43 PM
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He sounds like a jackass. As a mod of this sub, I wouldn't recommend that to anyone, ever.
/r/seduction27/12/12 09:57 PM
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I find this logic to be narrow-minded. It is. That's the whole issue.
/r/seduction27/12/12 09:41 PM
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He mentioned semi-recently (like 2 years ago) that he had only been with like 30 women. That's not very many compared to some other guys, and it's not very many compared to me, especially since (at that time) I had only been in college for like 2 years, and hadn't really been involved with the community. The point though, is that he makes sure to mention that, even while giving advice. He straight-up says "Listen, I'm not some mack-daddy, so you'll just have to take my advice for what it is." An…
/r/seduction27/12/12 09:18 PM
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If we get into the general perception in various areas, then yeah, NYC is more "difficult" and more complex than many other areas (except maybe LA itself). But in terms of "seduction" itself, I know it's practiced in New York, but it's much, much more common to see in Cali and Florida (I'd say New York is similar to Chicago, where it's somewhat common, but it isn't really "popularized" to the same extent). Fuck it, I'll say it right here -- I'm from Chicago, and I haven't seen the shit you're ta…
/r/seduction27/12/12 09:00 PM
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I don't think that's "dark," I think that's pretty standard procedure for most situations.
/r/seduction27/12/12 07:50 PM
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I agree with the OP here, though I still somewhat agree with you. Most girls I know either smoke pot or are open to the idea, so it's not a bad excuse to go back to his place. From there, that's when you escalate (the same way you would with any other drug, or literally any other situation). I usually just say "Let's drink some more back at my place" -- even if the girl's drunk or doesn't feel like drinking, she'll come back with me. Once we get back, I'm usually the one who's like "let me down …
/r/seduction27/12/12 07:48 PM
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Even for "normal" girls in the US -- when you're in college and mention that you have coke, at least a couple of them will be interested in trying some.
/r/seduction27/12/12 07:44 PM
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Yeah, here's a good example (hell, we should make a thread about this, just to show the difference between a neg and a straight insult): Girls will often say to each other "You make that dress look good." The implication is that you normally wouldn't like that dress, and the further implication, from the listener's perspective, is that you still don't like the dress. Thus, they become self-conscious about the dress, and start questioning their decision (even though you told them that they made i…
/r/seduction27/12/12 07:39 PM
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This is much better than what I said.
/r/seduction27/12/12 07:27 PM
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Yeah, like I said in my most recent comment, I don't think Mystery thought of it as a variation on teasing (or he would've just called it "teasing," since that's what it would be). The issue is, Mystery was hitting on a shitload of girls in Southern California, and would purposely pick the hottest girls to hit on (who also tended to be a bit haughty). So to "bring them down" to his level, he'd find a way to criticize them without making it seem like he was just being a jerk -- this is where most…
/r/seduction27/12/12 07:19 PM
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It's complicated. As it stands today, negging is the same as "teasing." Teasing's great when it's done right (and most guys on seddit equate "negging" with "teasing," so when they talk about "negging," they're really talking about "teasing"). That's not what Mystery originally intended though. He used the example of a backhanded compliment, where you say "Nice nails, are they real?" You might smile while saying it, but it's not meant to be a joke. It's also not meant to be an insult. It's an hon…
/r/seduction27/12/12 06:58 PM
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I wish this could be a fuckin headline on the whole internet so everyone could see it. When SRS talks about negging, they're talking about douchebags who randomly insult them. Even when seddit talks about negging, most of the time they're talking about douchebags who randomly insult people. It was never meant to be an insult. People just don't use it the way it's supposed to be used (granted, it's very nuanced, and hard to get right).
/r/seduction27/12/12 06:00 PM
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I think a lot of the lesser-known guys are jokes, and I know Tyler's not as experienced as people would expect him to be. But I think Tyler gives great advice/motivation, and Tim's pretty clearly had success (I'd fuck him). Other guys like Brad Branson are pretty cool. We've done AMAs with a few of them.
/r/seduction27/12/12 05:57 PM
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I don't even think it's mainstream in the US. It's not like any (normal) girls are constantly on the lookout for it either way. That'd be a shitty way to live life. IMO, it's happened to a few guys a few times, so other guys get worried about it, but it's simply not a big deal. Regardless, I'd advise most people to try to move away from any canned shit. I'm sure most of our 3rd grade English teachers taught us how to put things in our own words.
/r/seduction27/12/12 05:52 PM
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I was only in San Fran once, meeting up with TofuTofu and some other guys -- but we ran into the RSD guys. I talked to a couple of them for a bit (they were assholes). Then Jeffy came in the bar for like a second just to scope the place out and immediately left. RSD's all in San Francisco, for the most part.
/r/seduction27/12/12 05:48 PM
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I don't have much personal experience with canned routines, but I've had various girls assume I'm using a routine even when I'm not. I think for the most part, the girls who actually know about them will be in the big cities -- mostly LA, Miami, places like that. It's not really as mainstream as you might think, except in places like LA and San Fran where a bunch of the PUAs do bootcamps on a nightly basis.
/r/seduction27/12/12 04:10 PM
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Please feel free to come up with more stuff like this and make a post about it. All of those ideas are great. I had a friend who used to do rap battles all the time, where he'd need to come up with good rhymes on the spot (usually against black people -- I know I'm stereotyping, but they tend to be better at rap battles). Every so often, usually while we'd be driving somewhere, he'd challenge me. At first it was hard to do, and the whole situation was awkward, but then I got more familiar with i…
/r/seduction23/12/12 08:49 PM
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Dude, just the fact that you were in an acting class is a good first "step." You won't be finding me in an acting class any time soon (I'm too nervous for that shit). But yeah, I know what you're saying about eyes. With girls, eye contact is actually easier for me, because I'm usually attracted to them and want to hear what they're saying. I make less eye contact with guys. One trick you can try immediately though is to look at the bridge of the nose (or even the forehead) instead of the eyes. I…
/r/seduction23/12/12 08:41 PM
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Yep. I'm passionate about drinking, reading, and having sex. Everyone who meets me will quickly learn that. Last night I was talking to this 40-year-old woman for a bit (she was already taken, but she was hot and fun to talk to) -- she has a pierced clit, so we talked about that for a while. She said it adds a ton of sensation. So we talked about guys with pierced dicks, and she said that improves the sensation too. How did we get to that point in our conversation? I don't really remember becaus…
/r/seduction23/12/12 08:27 PM
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Yeah. You're both right, and IMO sociopaths are actually very valuable people to learn from. They just also happen to be sociopaths.
/r/seduction23/12/12 08:16 PM
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I hate vyvanse. Shitty side-effects.
/r/seduction23/12/12 08:14 PM
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"That's gold, Jerry! GOLD!" (from what I remember) Edit: Just looked it up because I wasn't sure. But yeah, Jerry tells him a shitty joke, and he says "That's gold, Jerry, GOLD!"
/r/seduction23/12/12 08:09 PM
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Oh man... back when my back was really strong, girls would love to run their hands over it -- same for my chest (again, back when it used to be strong). Having said that though, I stopped working out hardcore about 4 years ago, so both my chest and back are pretty average now -- girls don't comment on them and don't run their hands over them anymore. But that doesn't matter, because they're still having sex with me regardless.
/r/seduction23/12/12 08:04 PM
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I don't use most of the terms myself, and I'd hope adults don't use them "to feel cool." Most of the terms are used for several different reasons. If you want to think they're only used for one reason, that's fine.
/r/seduction21/12/12 08:17 PM
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"K-closes" is easier to write than "How many girls I've kissed," and there are other reasons for its use as well. It's been discussed a billion times.
/r/seduction21/12/12 06:47 PM
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I call it "slaying goblins."
/r/seduction21/12/12 06:45 PM
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Let's say you've only had one girlfriend and you haven't fucked her. How many times have you kissed her? We'll say 1000. That tells me next to nothing about your level of experience with women. How many times have you k-closed her? Basically once. That's a more accurate reflection of your experience. For people saying that "sarging" is a sleazy term, Ross Jeffries had a cat named Sarge, and that's where the term comes from. But I dunno, maybe he was a sleazy cat.
/r/seduction21/12/12 05:34 PM
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Bragging doesn't help.
/r/seduction19/12/12 09:49 PM
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If you have to ask...
/r/seduction19/12/12 07:28 PM
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He's saying that a lot of guys here are "newbies," who tend to prefer more basic advice. Certain things tend to be overlooked because many guys haven't gotten to the point where they can relate to it and understand it. We've had some decent posts in the past that only got a few upvotes because the seddit "hivemind" largely couldn't relate to the situation.
/r/seduction19/12/12 07:25 PM
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Mystery himself immediately changed the definition after getting a ton of backlash from it, so the current definition of "negging" is basically identical to "teasing." Negging definitely works when it's done right, but the main thing is that teasing accomplishes the same goal, and since it's purely playful, there's less of a chance for it to be taken the wrong way. And teasing helps in various other ways -- it shows that you're playful, it still shows that you're not supplicating to her, and usu…
/r/seduction16/12/12 10:15 PM
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If we're going by the original definition that nobody uses anymore, it's simply a backhanded compliment -- it's said seriously, so it's not teasing, and you're not trying to bring the person down, so it's not an insult. Let's say she's a Giants fan and you're a Cowboys fan. Tease: "Haha, Giants suck!" (said as a joke, with a smile) Insult: "The Giants are terrible" (said seriously, with a hint of hatred) Neg: "The Giants' offense is good, but Eli can't hit his receivers" (said seriously, but wit…
/r/seduction16/12/12 09:10 PM
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To be fair, Mystery's original take on negging was that it's separate from a tease. It's something you say with a straight face because you're being serious when you say "Nice nails, are they real?" You're actually curious to know if they're real or not, you're not actually teasing her about it. He's since changed his thoughts on it after all the backlash from people who couldn't understand how they're supposed to work. Like in your first example: you tell her that maybe if she fixed her mascara…
/r/seduction16/12/12 08:55 PM
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I think a ton of people here are making generalizations on both sides. For one, not every policewoman near a coworker will be mocked for interacting with someone. Likewise, not every policewoman will respond coldly. On the other hand, I don't think beginning with a compliment was the best way to do it, and you probably don't want to start the convo the same way you would with a random woman on the street. Some cops will naturally be more strict, some won't. I was riding with my buddy on campus o…
/r/seduction16/12/12 08:31 PM
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Maybe tomorrow. For right now though, the idea is that the host/guests of a party perceive you as an outsider, and basically as a threat (the smaller the party, the more relevant this is EDIT: I should mention, at really big parties, all this shit flies out the window. Just walk in and start having fun). Talking to random people can be fine, but if the host doesn't immediately know what you're doing there, he's more likely to want you out of there -- so you talk to the host first (basically just…
/r/seduction15/12/12 08:27 AM
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It's hard to say. For one, there's no special trick you can use to tell. Two, many beautiful people are insecure as hell, but they might seem secure during an interaction. But for generally insecure people, they'll likely be more defensive when you tease them, more likely to talk themselves up because they're looking for validation, etc. Sometimes they're more quiet/shy in general, other times they're overly talkative for the same reasons.
/r/seduction15/12/12 05:46 AM
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"Unsure of yourself" is the easiest way I can put it. Or maybe "Lack of ability to appreciate yourself for who you are." When you're "secure," you have a firm grasp on who you are as a person, you accept it, and you roll with it. You don't look down on yourself, you look up on yourself, if you know what I mean. I'd also add that insecurity is closely tied to pessimism, especially as far as seduction is concerned.
/r/seduction15/12/12 04:23 AM
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All the time. I didn't learn it from seddit really -- I've just always been pretty persuasive in the right situations. Though never really in clubs, because I haven't been to a club in like 4 years. For parties and shit like that though, first recognize who the host is, and/or who decides whether you're allowed or not. Then just stand around and bullshit with that person. If they seem like they might be more antagonistic, walk up and talk to them anyway (of course, you'll need to be a decent tal…
/r/seduction15/12/12 04:12 AM
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I think more directly, it's an accusation that you run the same lines all the time (and maybe also an implication that you're not very successful with it). At the same time though, I've always seen it as a subconscious acknowledgment of everything you mentioned. Almost every girl who's called me a player has later had sex with me (with some exceptions). Even if they say it in a mean-spirited way, somehow they end up in my bed anyway. To OP though, usually I don't shoot back with some humorous li…
/r/seduction15/12/12 02:26 AM
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Very true. Hell, if we could look past logic, we'd come to the same conclusion.
/r/seduction13/12/12 04:59 AM
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I think you're sexy as hell. Likely sexier than me.
/r/seduction13/12/12 04:04 AM
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To defend ytterp: I basically agree with what he said, though it was a basic point. I think his point was that many other guys do show obvious interest, especially to a hot girl, so they're seen as being one in a million. The one guy who doesn't is automatically seen as being different overall. Just by doing that, you're differentiating yourself. It still probably won't get you laid, but it's a start (especially assuming you can follow it up with other shit).
/r/seduction13/12/12 02:58 AM
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This might not be directed at me, but thank you so much!
/r/seduction13/12/12 02:51 AM
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In singular instances, no, because society in general plays a huge role. But IMO, yeah -- overall, it's theoretically possible to get rid of gender roles altogether. It will never happen IMO, but it's possible. It would require everyone in a certain society to start adapting to the new roles and completely forgetting the old ones. A good example is how women are expected to shave their legs/armpits. That's a new development from the past 80-90 years (or even more recently in many cases). It star…
/r/seduction13/12/12 01:18 AM
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The gender stereotype is that women hold grudges for a long time, while appearing to forgive someone. Men will hold open grudges, but will basically forget how the grudge was started in the first place. It's just a general stereotype -- it doesn't hold true in many cases. Another example is that men will openly bash each other, while remaining the best of friends. Women make sure to say good things about friends/acquaintances, while secretly hating their guts. It's not universally true, but it's…
/r/seduction13/12/12 01:05 AM
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Yup yup. I'm also a big fan of Land Before Time.
/r/seduction13/12/12 01:00 AM
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I emailed him the questions, so hopefully he'll respond in the next day or two. Sorry again for not copying the questions, but I don't know how to do that on my phone, and I wasn't near any working computers. I think a few of the questions were also basically answered anyway, but yours was a bit more unique, so I asked him to at least give an answer for yours.
/r/seduction12/12/12 08:45 PM
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Sorry man. Laptop's broken, 3G hasn't been working, and my wi-fi's been going in and out. I'll email him the questions when I get to a computer.
/r/seduction12/12/12 03:41 PM
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For anyone wondering, this post was caught in the spam filter for a bit. That's my mistake.
/r/seduction12/12/12 02:49 AM
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I wasn't referring to f-close itself as being shorthand, I was referring to other terms (DHV, and most other terms). The terms sound silly because they're unfamiliar. That's the main reason. In literature (or "lit"), certain terms like POV might sound silly, but you just have to deal with it, because it's become such a popular term. Same thing here. You can use normal English to get your point across much easier You certainly can, but again if we look at any other subject, similar terms exist. F…
/r/seduction11/12/12 07:18 PM
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I've said this many times before, but IMO, you might as well forget her name, assuming you can follow it with good shit. I'm terrible with names, so in some cases, I'll purposely guess the wrong name. In other cases, I'll try to guess right, but I'll still be wrong. It all depends on how you follow it up. In some cases, it's better to sincerely apologize and let her know you didn't mean anything bad by it. In other cases, you turn it into a tease. In others, you seriously just forgot her name an…
/r/seduction11/12/12 06:57 PM
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It's fine in terms of an individual field report, but it doesn't apply the same way if you're talking about multiple situations -- it's easier to use shorthand in that case. I definitely agree that it'd be better if people just used normal English in most field reports though. Then again, the term "field report" itself is pretty weird, yet IMO it's probably the best way to describe the situation. Ross Jeffries originally came up with the term "sarge," which was merely referring to his cat (whose…
/r/seduction11/12/12 06:11 PM
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I think our mods are guilty of it more than anyone else, because we'll defend this community to the death. But over time we've all (the mods) learned that it's generally not a good idea to argue about shit outside of this sub (unless it's a situation where you know there won't be much backlash -- I regularly comment in SubredditDrama, and I'll mention that I'm a mod, but nowadays it's usually only in situations where I know it won't lead to external drama). Like Throwaway basically said, it's im…
/r/seduction11/12/12 06:05 PM
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For f-close specifically, it stems from the other types of "closes." #-close, k-close, etc. They all follow that format. I think it's largely because when guys are talking about getting multiple "closes," it's easier to refer to them with that slang -- it takes longer to say something like "Number of fucks: 20," or "Number of different girls I've had sex with: 20." Much easier to say "F-closes: 20." For the terms in general, some people came up with them, and then everyone else started using the…
/r/seduction11/12/12 05:13 PM
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I don't like the guys you mentioned either, though if you're able to separate some of the good ideas from the bad/weird ones, they can still be somewhat helpful. I agree though that they hurt the community's image. Luckily -- on seddit at least -- they're not talked about too often, and I think interest in them is fading. Personally, I think the community is becoming more and more focused on "natural" game and honesty, while the canned stuff and various "tricks" are being talked about less. I th…
/r/seduction11/12/12 04:29 PM
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Hijacking here to say that LooseFooting's just a troll. Here's a recent comment: I think all girls are coerced into sex and are tricked. I don't believe girls of their own free want to have a man stick his penis in her vagina. I think that a guy who wants to do this to a girl is a mean and selfish person. Even if she says she wants to I think she's been tricked into saying that. Ignore him. I don't want to remove all of his comments, because I think a lot of them were an overall benefit to the d…
/r/seduction10/12/12 06:52 AM
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First, I don't want to sound like I'm defending the guy -- my thoughts about it are more complex. But for this: you freak out and call her names because you're emotionally compromised. No, I wouldn't react that way. I used to do shit like that in high school, but I learned from it. She gets all the emotional support from her friends, you dont because you dont open up to your friends about your relationship and society deems that the man is at fault if he couldnt "keep his gf satisfied". I wouldn…
/r/seduction10/12/12 05:38 AM
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Google "Neil Strauss before and after," or search for various other guys in the community. Some look good, some don't. If you've only seen a few guys, your opinion of them will be skewed. I've seen most of them, and I'd say most look average at best.
/r/seduction09/12/12 09:09 PM
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At first I wanted to help you, but now I know you're making shit up. I'm not sure why you'd want to do that, but I'll be removing your future comments.
/r/seduction09/12/12 09:04 PM
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If you base your confidence on how good you look, even if you're very attractive, it'll probably hurt you in the long run (see: most celebrities who became famous for their good looks). More importantly, if you're already "ugly," you obviously have nothing to lose. The fact that you think there's still something to lose either means you aren't as ugly as you say, you haven't experienced real loss, and/or your mindset is leading you into a sense of delusion. For "seduction" purposes, skepticism u…
/r/seduction09/12/12 09:00 PM
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For "unattractive," start working out, change your wardrobe around, get rid of any pimples, etc. For "scared," most therapists would tell you to gradually associate yourself with the "phobia" until it becomes normal and doesn't scare you anymore. In your case, that might mean you start conversations with cashiers, who are basically paid do do that. Or it might mean you set a small goal, like "approach 5 people today." Once you can handle that, set a bigger goal. For "confused," I'm not sure what…
/r/seduction09/12/12 08:48 PM
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Tyler lost some weight and got a haircut recently, but back when he was much more involved in the community, he was overweight and had long, scraggly, ugly hair. Even now, I'd say he looks "average," but back then, he was definitely uglier. Back when he first started with Mystery actually, he was skinnier, with shorter hair, but he was terrible with women (which is why he started in the first place -- and IMO, he also wasn't very good-looking back then). He also seemed to be an asshole, accordin…
/r/seduction09/12/12 08:41 PM
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