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Conversationearsurgery9/r/seduction18/04/20 12:56 PM
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I think you're kind of right, but it's also the mere fact of approaching so much puts the odds in your favour (you are more likely to stumble across that girl who thinks you're hot or whatever) I got laid a lot once i'd read lots about game and started approaching lots, although only when I sat back and had a good think did I realise it wasn't to do with any of the 'techniques' etc i'd learnt (they didn't even work 955 of the time because 95% of the time i'd approach a girl who wasn't interested…
/r/seduction24/10/22 07:04 AM
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lmao
/r/seduction23/10/22 03:44 PM
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i think this is basically the case for everyone, tbh. Even if you watch infields, you'll see this pattern. It's kind of a numbers game. If she is into you, it's all effortless. If you're not her type, she doesn't talk back, your cold reads and pushpulls etc land on deaf ears, and she really just wants the interaction to end no matter how confident and how much 'game' you have lol
/r/seduction23/10/22 02:58 PM
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game won't help if she isn't attracted to you, though That's why they say looks get your foot in the door. Game is more about leading attracted girls to sex.
/r/seduction23/10/22 02:56 PM
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i'm obviously thinking back to when I didn't have my own place, but i brought a lot of girls back to my parents house after meeting them in bars etc. Parents didn't care and the girl didn't care. Other times you push to go to her place instead or her parents One time i took a girl too a cheap hotel I had friends who used to bang girls in their cars It's different if you are looking for a relationship because some girls will literally never date you if you live at home or you don't drive or whate…
/r/seduction21/10/22 03:44 PM
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I agree. It's actually quite interesting. I've noticed this on this sub so many times. A guy will make a post about how direct game is the way to go and it gets a million upvotes. Someone makes a very similar thread 2 days later and it's downvoted, and all the replies are advocating indirect/mysterymethod etc lol
/r/seduction19/10/22 10:56 AM
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lol. Truth hurts. Also, seddit is super interesting in that votes and consensus depend on who happens to be online at the time i guess. I've made a similar post before that got heavily upvoted haha
/r/seduction19/10/22 10:40 AM
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not sure if i can link any vids here, but maybe i'll treat you all to one of tylers that I always liked (where he gamed girls in different ways like being overly 'gamey' etc to try to demonstrate that good game 'is like good plastic surgery')
/r/seduction18/10/22 10:03 PM
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I probably need to share them at some point so other people can get the content that may be lost. yeah, i've got quite a few RSD vids scattered around on old PC's and stuff, too
/r/seduction18/10/22 09:29 PM
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typically the guy isn't rejected because he's 'nervous' though, tbh. It's usually just because she isn't attracted/he's not her type (in fact, they often find it attractive/cute/endearing if the guy is a bit nervous when he IS her type)
/r/seduction18/10/22 09:15 PM
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i'd 100% not important at all, personally (unless you're talking about getting a girlfriend as opposed to hookups with randoms)
/r/seduction18/10/22 10:05 AM
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Then there is no such thing as seduction incorrect. It's just that 'seduction' doesn't mean what you think it does Read some Mark Manson to get a better idea. It's more helping girls get out of their own way and smoothly leading an attracted girl to sex
/r/seduction17/10/22 11:47 AM
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you're essentially asking what you can say/do to force attraction in a girl. This was the promise of 'game' back in like 2004 although you might have noticed that this trend/idea kind of died out I mean, in THEORY, you can MAKE her attracted by using DHV stories and negs (if you believe in mysterymethod) or by using cold reads (if you believe in london day game model) or by being super direct (if you believe in mode1) etc However, does it actually work? If it did, i'm sure we'd all be sleeping w…
/r/seduction17/10/22 08:18 AM
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it's a numbers game. It's about amplifying existing attraction. You can't force attraction with 'game'/attraction material (negs, pushpull, cold reads etc)
/r/seduction16/10/22 07:51 PM
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sosuave
/r/seduction16/10/22 04:59 PM
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thing is, you can open and try tell a dhv story and try to qualify her and pushpull and stuff, but none of is will help if you are not her type, tbh. I read a million FR's per day of guys going up to girls and telling dhv stories and qualifying her etc and she doesn't give a shit. But if you are her type you can just approach and use interview mode and escalate to sex. Imagine a 75 year old blad fat broke guy hitting ona hot 18 year old thinking his dhv story and negs or wahtever is gonna work.
/r/seduction16/10/22 02:50 PM
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Remember, men are attracted more by appearance and women are attracted more by character hell no. Make a profile of a good looking guy on tinder as an experiment and then see how much they care about looks lol. It's the same in person. They are just as visual as us men
/r/seduction16/10/22 02:45 PM
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it's just irrelevant. indirect and direct both get the same results. If she thinks you're hot, direct will work. So will indirect. And if you're not her type, direct will lead too an insta rejection, and indirect will lead too a girl not talking back and a slightly slower rejection
/r/seduction15/10/22 11:24 AM
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Who lies more....monet or women??
/r/seduction13/10/22 05:52 PM
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If she just stood there when she said it - she was challenging you. Meaning she was testing you and you failed. lol, no A girl would never ever say that too a guy she was attracted too. There's no coming back from the kind of rejection he got. Wasn't a 'test'. SHe wasn't into him
/r/seduction09/10/22 10:41 AM
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pushpull is good, but only if she find you attractive If you're not her type, it's beyond useless. Same as negs etc. She doesn't 'chase' you if you're not her type because you neg her and give her the backturn. She literally wants you to leave haha
/r/seduction07/10/22 05:17 PM
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Note I said 'would NEVER' swipe right on you. In other words, you are completely not her type. She's not at all attracted to you. In that situation, of course 'game' won't help you! Take it too an extreme. If anyone here thinks that Danny devito now, but without fame, wouldn't get rejected 100 times in a row if he was hitting on hot 18 year olds, even if he was amazingly confident (had game) then they're insane Also important to remember that not all girls have identical tastes, or even conventi…
/r/seduction07/10/22 04:26 PM
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the hard truth you don't wanna hear is that this isn't really a 'skill'' past being somewhat normal and maybe being able to flirt a little There is no jedi level where you can 'seduce' whoever you want kind of thing A guys rejection rate is dependant on things like his looks, the looks of the girl relative to his own, his age, his location. His 'skill' is almost irrelevant (unless he is unusually bad in terms of social skills to the point even if he was good looking, he'd mess it up with every g…
/r/seduction07/10/22 03:58 PM
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lol
/r/seduction28/09/22 05:56 PM
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you can only amplify existing attraction as per mark manson This is never more true on a cold approach! If you are 60 and old and fat and you approach some 18 year old beauty queen and she of course isn't remotely attracted to you, then all of the 'game' and confidence in the world isn't going to help with her. In fact, outside of the US (where people are polite) you won't even get past the opener lol
/r/seduction28/09/22 07:25 AM
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there's nothing to 'learn' other than you just weren't her type (unless of course you were seriously socially misscalibrated and said/done something very unusual on your approach )
/r/seduction26/09/22 10:31 AM
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you'll look even stranger if you never ask her the 'normal/boring' questions, tbh. Standing there making cold reads and statements and comparing her to fluffy animals and guessing what sort of person she is ('Hi. I'm jack. you look like someone who's quite artistic and likes their own company. Am I right?!!!!!' ) as many PUA's advise is why so many PUA's get weird reactions from girls lol Go watch JulienRSD - all he does is fire 'boring' questions at girls You just need to be her type and be nor…
/r/seduction24/09/22 02:57 PM
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it's only gonna appear 'creepy' if she's not interested in you. All you can really do is find out. I can write too a girl who thinks i'm hot and say 'hi! Thought you looked cute. What's up?' and it will lead too a meet and a lay, but if I do it too a girl who's not into me i'm likely a creep who's about to get his ass blocked lol Don't overthink it too much. Shoot your shot if you want too, but the words you write aren't that important
/r/seduction24/09/22 02:48 PM
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you've got it
/r/seduction10/09/22 07:02 PM
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This is basically it. And it's what EVERY PUA master coach is actually doing, even if it looks more impressive than that when they have the ability to cherry pick infields etc. Nobody is 'converting' a legit 'no' too a 'yes'. They are turning a 'yes' into sex. Which tbh usually DOES take at least some 'game'. (i'm not disputing that game exists) - But pretending it's something else and that game is about making girls attracted to you is just BS
/r/seduction10/09/22 06:33 PM
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there truly is not 'strat' or forumula etc. Im sure you know that. The 'community' is basically built on a foundation of lies/marketing The bar for what you need to do and act and say etc is really fairly low. What matters is whether she is attracted to you. Not really in your control. But from there, it's very easy to get the lay (this why every 'expert' disagrees about literally every tiny nuance of game. Because there IS no freaking rules lol. Everything works and nothing works. Depending on …
/r/seduction10/09/22 02:19 PM
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this!! People are so funny on reddit, man. Some super hot 18 year old is NOT gonna be 'manipulated' into sex or 'persuaded' to bang some guy she's not attracted too just because he's older as is always the assumption on reddit. Much more likely is she'll just give him a brutal rejection lol. Girls this age have like the highest SMV, and nowadays, they know it!!
/r/seduction08/09/22 07:34 AM
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fair enough. In that case i'd probably recommend 'the technical game bible' if you want an all purpose book with bits of classic 'game' with a more modern twist, or/and models by Mark Manson for a different take Don't buy either. They're out there for free if you look
/r/seduction07/09/22 09:29 PM
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exactly. So many posts I see about how people failed to hook the girl despite using cold reads and plowing or how they often 'run out of things to say' with certain girls etc, but the truth is that it's just not in your control! Conversation is a 2-way thing. If she doesn't want to talk (maybe, shock horror, you're just not her type and she's not attracted to you and so she's deliberately trying to not talk/lead you on and end the convo) then there's nothing you can do. Anything you try (teases,…
/r/seduction07/09/22 04:41 PM
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you very likely know all you need to know and all that is in books etc. (back in the day i read about 50 books and don't think i learnt anything that was ground-breaking or that i didn't already know. You can't make a girl attracted to you basically!) So it's about grabbing your balls and approaching lots of girls and seeing who's into you. I promise you every 'expert' who fools you into thinking he can get whoever he wants is playing the exact same game. (it's a shame so many of the uncut, whol…
/r/seduction07/09/22 08:04 AM
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Women will never approach you this isn't true. If you go out at NIGHT to bars and clubs etc a good looking dude will get approached a hell of a lot. At least here
/r/seduction06/09/22 08:27 PM
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it's always luck, my man. Same as cold appoaoch. You need to open (or swipe) on girls who are into you. They're the ones you bang
/r/seduction05/09/22 07:05 AM
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this
/r/seduction04/09/22 09:36 PM
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threesome with victoria secret models.
/r/seduction04/09/22 09:28 PM
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you don't need to be male model but you're right in that it's somewhat rare and you need to be well above average. I have 2 friends (out of maybe 300 friends) who get approached by random girls non stop. Very handsome dudes. They're not models as a job, but i'm guessing they could be
/r/seduction04/09/22 08:15 AM
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A huge percentage of my lays have come from cold approach in bars. But you need thick skin to be able to take lots of rejections! ((unless you are stupidly handsome)) Some of them can be quite brutal too depending on where you live lol One of the hottest girls I ever got was fairly recently through a temping job. It made me realise that i'd kind of missed out over the years as i'd rarely worked with hot girls and i think the propinquity is quite useful and probably increases the odds of batting …
/r/seduction03/09/22 06:25 PM
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The only thing that matters is that you approach. That is what gets you results (assuming you look decent enough that there's girls out there that think you are hot and that you are not ridiculously weird). Can be direct or indirect or whatever. If you really think some push-pull lines and good eye contact and flirting and humour etc (game) is going to make a girl who wasn't at all attracted to you want to rip your clothes off, you've been massively fooled by PUA coaches lol. (hint: they are no …
/r/seduction03/09/22 08:08 AM
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very hot young girls are literally getting DM'd by famous athletes. Of course they are picky. They're comparing whoever approaches them to him lol
/r/seduction02/09/22 12:24 PM
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the 'approach that works' is just an approach on the right girl (a girl who is attracted to you)
/r/seduction02/09/22 11:40 AM
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lol
/r/seduction31/08/22 09:04 AM
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this. I've had sex with girls from bars extremely fast, but it's not about method or skill or whatever. It's about finding a horny DTF girl who likes how you look, and having the luck (and the balls) to find her
/r/seduction31/08/22 07:44 AM
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honestly, i've never experienced that, never seen anyone able to do it in real life in PUA circles, and have never seen a 'coach' do it in an infield lol. I don't think it's possible (turning a legit 'no' around) What probably happened was her rejection was based on something else as opposed too a lack of attraction. For example i've pulled girls who are SUPER shy and her reaction was more about that than me not being her type. But again, experience tells you where she's at imo
/r/seduction24/08/22 11:51 AM
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check out mark manson for a different perspective
/r/seduction24/08/22 10:50 AM
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experience tells you I tend to know before i've even finished my opener whether it's worth even carrying on lol. (Also with infields I can tell within about 5 seconds whether it will be a rejection or not) I can spot if i'm not her type within half a second nowadays. And can also spot the flicker of attraction as we make eye contact before i said a word If you are new, feel free to keep 'plowing' and sticking in set just for reference experience, but in time you'll learn when she's not intereste…
/r/seduction24/08/22 08:40 AM
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hit gym, hit tinder, profit?
/r/seduction23/08/22 10:05 PM
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lmao. Read that ages ago. Everyone has. Mystery got rejected a shit load. You ever seen his awful infields?!! cringy as fuck. No game
/r/seduction22/08/22 08:09 AM
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if you're not her type, game won't help i'm afraid lol You can pushpull and dhv and neg and self asmuse until you are blue in the face haha
/r/seduction22/08/22 07:57 AM
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I quite like that HonestSignals guy. I think Richard was a con artist, though. Just a very handsome dude exploiting tourist game (was huge in the UK for a while!) as well as good marketing and connections/money etc. Richard has 2% of the game vadeem from honest signals does, although would still have got better results due to how he looked and stuff
/r/seduction21/08/22 04:18 PM
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girls are actually more visual. Especially the young ones
/r/seduction21/08/22 04:15 PM
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to fuck teh hottest girls, you need to be the hottest guy. Unless you are rich lol. You can still bang them then even if you ae ugly, but know that at this point it's not about attraction. It's about her being willing to bang you to get some of your money haha.
/r/seduction18/08/22 11:29 AM
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I tend to approach every hot girl I see. However, that's more because a small percentage of girls are too shy to give choosing signals and I don't want to miss them! However, I certainly don't disagree with the idea of only approaching girls who give choosing signals. Saves you wasting a lot of time! If you are always approaching girls who aren't attracted to you, all you will get is constant rejections. Even if you have the best game in the world
/r/seduction18/08/22 08:22 AM
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Some things in life are simple and not complex. This is one of them. If she's attracted to you, you chat and flirt and it leads to sex. If you're not her type, sex will not be on the cards with that girl no matter how many Todd V videos you've seen
/r/seduction16/08/22 02:58 PM
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There really is very little to practice It is indeed very easy if you are her type. And if you're not (she's not attracted to you) then no amount of game will help you at all.
/r/seduction16/08/22 02:23 PM
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well you need physical attraction. That's what he means. You can't 'game' a girl who isn't attracted to you lol
/r/seduction14/08/22 08:42 AM
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It's possible she was attracted to you physically. That's always the case i'm afraid. No pua on earth can 'seduce' a girl. She needs to be attracted on a physical level
/r/seduction14/08/22 08:13 AM
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True. And i'm sure some are going that route and will reap the rewards soon. I agree with you.
/r/seduction11/08/22 09:36 PM
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true that once they are hot they'll be on easy street, but these guys need to get their hands on 80-160k first. For most of them it either won't happen, or will take a long time So they have to rely on 'game' instead which isn't gonna help anyone if you're not her type
/r/seduction11/08/22 09:35 PM
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Dermal fillers aren't enough! haha Most of them need nose jobs and full on orthagnathic jaw surgery. They simply can't afford it. We're talking like 80k Then double it if they also need leg lengthening
/r/seduction11/08/22 09:32 PM
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i'm not sure i'd bother. Unless someone has seriously bad social skills to the point they'd need to read a book to 'learn' that it's good to hold eye contact etc, then reading books on 'seduction' is basically overkill (and i've read them all. Literally, close to all of them haha) There's no secret moves or lines or theory that is going to make a girl attracted to you. If you can hold a conversation and appear normal and have teh balls to make a move on a girl who is into you, you already have a…
/r/seduction09/08/22 10:28 AM
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I don't think he read my post properly. Doesn't matter. You seem to know what's up and how it actually works
/r/seduction08/08/22 04:03 PM
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community has always been split between direct and indirect basically. In the old days coaches used to have full on arguments about it on seduction forums Direct people said 'she knows why you're talking to her. Girls aren't retarded. You're showing confidence (which is attractive) by not hiding your intent and being direct. And you are also saving yourself from wasting time' Indirect people said 'Direct will only work if you are her type. Direct isn't even game. You need to be indirect. Then bu…
/r/seduction08/08/22 11:05 AM
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if they're like 18, it's probably a sugar they don't want people knowing about lol
/r/seduction04/08/22 09:11 PM
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Uuooooaahhh!!!!
/r/seduction04/08/22 09:10 PM
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if she's being boring it likely means she isn't trying at all. She isn't trying because she's not attracted to you. Nothing you can do about that eject and On to the next
/r/seduction02/08/22 10:13 AM
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onto the next.
/r/seduction01/08/22 06:23 PM
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sounds like she just wasn't interested in you. Didn't do anything wrong. I promise asking questions (which some are saying you did wrong etc) would be fine if you were totally her type. I see it every weekend! Onto the next
/r/seduction31/07/22 10:04 PM
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disagree as per my post you replied too haha
/r/seduction31/07/22 08:18 PM
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My girlfriend isn't a professional fashion model, but she is very conventionally pretty and gets hit on a ridiculous amount (on and offline). It's annoying. Even last night about 5 bouncers at different times were massively forward in trying to get her number and stuff. (4 of them waited until i went to the bar to hit on her, and one cheeky bastard pretty much done it in my face haha) I know what i think is acceptable for her (chatting, letting them buy her drinks but reminded them she's got a b…
/r/seduction31/07/22 08:42 AM
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but flirting with a girl if you are not her type is not gonna go anywhere. It's unwelcome. And even with bad game, sometimes girls will do ALL of the work if you happen to be extremely hot in her eyes. One of my wingmen who is male model handsome has no game to speak of and crushes it lol (mainly on tinder but also gets approached in bars a tonne)
/r/seduction31/07/22 08:22 AM
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100% money is great and can help you in all kinds of ways. Game is important in terms of not fucking it up with girls who are into you But it's looks that is what actually gets you genuine attraction and the opportunity to successfully 'game' a girl
/r/seduction30/07/22 09:10 PM
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he was probably just rich but not good looking. Women often cheat on the rich dude with their good looking pool boy lol
/r/seduction30/07/22 09:09 PM
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swipe right on tinder. Match. Meet. Have sex
/r/seduction29/07/22 10:34 PM
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you don't really need one. If you are her type and she is attracted to you, she wants to bang. Just be like 'lets go back to my place for abit for a drink' etc
/r/seduction29/07/22 06:50 PM
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well it's not 'game' as such. She'll fuck any guy who she thinks looks hot and shoots his shot (or in your case swipes right on her). That's a lot of guys lol
/r/seduction29/07/22 06:45 PM
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irrelvant tbh. I got laid with 'hi' as an opener many times haha
/r/seduction29/07/22 01:22 PM
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this is one of those old piece of PUA advice that people ran with lol. There's nothing wrong with asking questions . Ever seen Julien from his RSD days? All he did was fire questions at girls. Cold reads arent magical at all. Nothing you read about in a game book is! (and by magical, I mean able to MAKE a girl attracted) If you open a girl who is into you, don't worry about 'muh statements'. Just talk to her like a normal person. But add some flirting of course (assuming you can tell she's into …
/r/seduction29/07/22 01:19 PM
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no point in chasing. Them girls aren't into you. Game doesn't work on girls who aren't into you. The girls taht are attracted to you will chase you as much as you chase them. It's a team sport!
/r/seduction29/07/22 01:15 PM
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good post. So many people are still kidding themselves when it comes to this stuff (although in fairness, the number has drastically decreased compared to when PUA was even more popular and gullible noobs were drinking the PUA cool-aid by the bucket lol) As you rightly say, you help them along. Nobody on reddit or anywhere else is 'seducing' women in the traditional sense of literally making them want you kind of thing. ''Girl isn't at all attracted to you? Ignoring your opener and telling you s…
/r/seduction28/07/22 05:58 PM
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Women and men are attracted to very different things they're really not lol Go out with a good looking wingman and your world will turn upside down! :) They actually care about looks even more than men haha (exception being older women who will settle for a rich ugly dude. No actual attraction there, though)
/r/seduction28/07/22 03:54 PM
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as you say she looked like she didn't want to be bothered etc and presumably didn't look like she was interested, then there's really nothing else you could have done that would have helped. Onto the next! When you open the girls who are into you, it feels different and you'll know
/r/seduction27/07/22 05:38 PM
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I disagree. I think physical appearance is at least as important to girls as is it us. Especially the hot young girls.
/r/seduction26/07/22 08:48 PM
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it's called pre-selection, but it's not magic i'm afraid A lot of girls won't even bother shooting their shot if they think you're with someone. Could be a potential psycho bitch in her mind. Plus if she is hotter than she is, she probably won't think she has a shot. Also, physical attraction is will always be a pre-requisite. Some super hot girl isn't gonna start flirting with you if she doesn't think you're hot, just because you are there with a pretty girl i'm afraid lol
/r/seduction26/07/22 11:04 AM
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1)are they asking you questions back! Are they smiling. Are they engaged. Good eye contact/ 2)Walk away. If she's being 'distant' there's like a 99% chance you're just not her type. No point in wasting time. Find a girl who IS attracted to you
/r/seduction24/07/22 12:59 PM
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yep. It's just the way it works. You'd have to be blind to think otherwise! Just some marketing that people desperately clinged too in the hope it was real. SO much so that it seemed to catch fire at one point lol Funnily enough though, there actually exists female PUA forums too (at least there used too. PUA sub reddits too) And guess what them 'coaches' tell their female clients? You guessed it. ''Men aren't as visual as you think. You don't need a pretty face or a nice body! learn to 'game' h…
/r/seduction24/07/22 09:39 AM
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go out with a good looking wingman and you'll see exactly how VISUAL women are! haha. It's the same as it is for us The thing about girls not being 'visual' when it comes too attraction is just sometihng that PUA's back in the day made up to help market their material towards ugly guys who were struggling
/r/seduction24/07/22 09:07 AM
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exactly! there is no 'game' if she's not at all attracted lol. You can't pushpull your way into banging an 18 year old stunning cheerleader if you are 53 and fat and bald lol game is about capitalising on sexual attraction. And believe me, it's very possible to fuck it up, even if she's kinda attracted to you. That's what 'game' is for.
/r/seduction24/07/22 08:11 AM
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you don't have to wait for them, but you'll be wasting your time 95% of the time if you just approach every super hot girl you see (unless of course you look really good and maybe she just didn't notice you) Otherwise, you're very likely not her type
/r/seduction24/07/22 08:09 AM
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100% The industry has moved on from the silly marketing claims of the old days (mysterymethod 'get any girl you want' stuff etc) and most people , even lots of 'coaches' realise that game really is about being good at 'closing the deal' and not magically forcing sexual attraction in a girl and making her want you! That's NOT possible with however you define 'game' (pushpulls, confident body language, humour blabla. That's all good stuff, but it's not gonna make a girl drop her panties if you isn…
/r/seduction24/07/22 08:07 AM
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i'll respectfully disagree too haha I'm not saying 'game' doesn't exist at all, and i have friends who have bad 'game' to the point they get dates but never get laid (failure to build comfort, no balls to escalate etc) But waht you are tlaking about has never been shown. I've seen every PUA you can think of. Me and many friends have used evry 'tehcnique' known to man, from mysterymethod to vin di carlo, and everything in between. self asmuse. Be confident and flirt with good eye contact and nrel…
/r/seduction22/07/22 04:14 PM
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it's always kinda of about looks in the end, i'm afraid. You can't seduce a girl who doesn't want to be seduced by you (e/g you are not her type) no matter how much 'game' you have. You see 'pros' fail at this in infield again and again
/r/seduction22/07/22 08:12 AM
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this. So many stupid answers. if we're just talking about getting laid, she couldn't give a shit (it can matter for relationships though). If she's attracted, she'll just fuck you by a dumpster!
/r/seduction16/07/22 10:54 AM
1

irrelevant for getting laid Matter if you're trying to get a relationship
/r/seduction16/07/22 10:52 AM
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Real talk (no sugar coated bluepill 'just learn this 'game' shit (that everybody knows), bro! do a cold read on her and tease her! Then you can be a midget and still fuck victoria secret models on cold approach bro!') It's gonna be a bit harder the shorter you are in general. Your looks always come first. That's what gets your foot in the door. Then 'game' helps seal the deal - turning that physical attraction smoothly into sex. And height is simply a part of looks. Height is important to some g…
/r/seduction16/07/22 08:51 AM
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the whole 'don't ask her questions' was one of the most stupid things to come out of PUA and honestly does more harm that good and is responsible for lots of odd behaviour you see from PUA's Besides, JulienRSD literally proved it was nonsense. You don't need to keep making stupid cold reads and stuff for example. Just chat to her. If she wasn't interested in you, there's about a 0.5% chance if was because you were asking her 'interview questions' and a 99.5% chance you just weren't her type In t…
/r/seduction15/07/22 10:36 AM
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she'll decide either way in the end lol. I personally approach every hot girl, but it's usually a waste of time and best to only approach the girls who give IOI's (they're the ones who are attracted to you and so you have a shot with them)
/r/seduction14/07/22 12:08 PM
1

you'd save yourself a lot of wasted time and rejection by waiting for IOI's before you approach a girl, although the answer is it's up to you. You risk approaching a tonne of girls who aren't attracted to you, but if yuo're OK with that, then just keep going
/r/seduction14/07/22 12:06 PM
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yeah, that's a bit different. LIke, if someone gets tonne of dates because they are good looking, but don't get laid, that's a 'game' issue. If someone makes 200 cold approaches and gets nothing but rejection, that might NOT be a game issue at all. If you're talking about true 'maybe girls' then yes, that's where 'game' can come into the equation a bit. More the ability to flirt in an effective way
/r/seduction14/07/22 12:05 PM
1

lol k
/r/seduction14/07/22 12:02 PM
1

you honestly probably have no game tbh It's never about 'game', tbh
/r/seduction14/07/22 08:03 AM
1

lol no.
/r/seduction14/07/22 07:57 AM
0

he's awful! have you not seen his infields? Compulsive liar, too
/r/seduction14/07/22 07:53 AM
7

this. Embrace the fact that is IS a numbers game, no matter what some virgin PUA 'coach' tells you who says it's because you used the wrong neg or your feet were too close together blabla lol. Approach lots of girls and flirt. The rest will take care of itself assuming you look fairly good
/r/seduction13/07/22 10:56 AM
1

One can't game the 'no girls'. Don't waste time on them Concentrate on the receptive girls (they're the ones who are attracted)
/r/seduction10/07/22 10:55 AM
37

Vegas is party central. much easier. 'what happens in vegas, stays in vegas, girls!!!!' there's a reason so many PUA coaches move there lol.
/r/seduction06/07/22 05:00 PM
3

You don't wanna bang a girl who you don't think is hot. Guess what, neither do girls lol. Game is the icing on the cake and is something that makes you more efficient at banging the girls who think you are handsome (because believe it or not, it IS possible to mess up with a girl who thinks you're hot, although you can get away with a LOT, the hotter she thinks you are) But it's not gonna help you one iota if you're just not her type (looks)
/r/seduction06/07/22 04:01 PM
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yes. That I agree with. it's about closing the girls who are interested and not completely messing up (with bad 'game'. I agree that you can lose a girl who thinks yu're quite good looking if you are super awkward etc) But i promise nobody on planet earth has this magic gift that PUA's try to market where you can basically bang any girl you want no matter what you look like if only you buy their course and learn their particualr brand of 'game'. Pure fiction. If you're not her type, it's done.
/r/seduction06/07/22 03:26 PM
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pushpull! you can be 96 years old and obese and 4ft tall but if you use pushpull to get her emotions going, you can bang 100% of super hot 18 year old cheerleaders!
/r/seduction06/07/22 03:20 PM
1

correct. Be her type (she needs to think you're hot/is attracted on sight). Have enough game to not completely fuck it up
/r/seduction06/07/22 01:14 PM
3

no, he's right. If you're not her physical type/she isn't attracted to you, then no 'game' in the world is gonna make her wanna rip your clothes off lol. It IS a numbers game, i'm afraid.
/r/seduction06/07/22 01:14 PM
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you can't create attraction. Only amplify existing attraction
/r/seduction06/07/22 01:12 PM
2

So a rejection doesn’t mean you are not good enough for her, just means you're not her type. It's a numbers game.
/r/seduction29/06/22 11:46 PM
2

obviously lol You don't wanna bang a girl who you don't think is hot. Guess what, neither do girls lol. Don't believe the nonsense 'dating coaches' trying to get your money tell you! Game is the icing on the cake and is something that makes you more efficient at banging the girls who think you are handsome (because believe it or not, it IS possible to mess up with a girl who thinks you're hot, although as you rightly say, you can get away with a LOT, the hotter she thinks you are) But it's not g…
/r/seduction25/06/22 06:24 PM
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you can't get the 'no' girls. If you're not her type, then no amount of 'game' in the world is gonna help. Despite what coaches trying to take your money tell you (who also can't do what they claim lol) Most people in the community eventually realise this (some slower than others!) and so eventually reach the same conclusion and concentrate on the 'yes girls'. Screen hard. Screen early. If she's hot and into you, escalate. If she's hot but she's clearly not into you, move on to the next hot girl…
/r/seduction23/06/22 11:52 AM
1

yes lol. him
/r/seduction23/06/22 11:49 AM
0

he's the biggest fraud there is haha
/r/seduction22/06/22 08:55 AM
6

this guy gets it. For young girls, if you are hot, nothing else matters. Not your 'game' or even your money etc. Probably more so now than every before in history thanks to the new social media insta wold they were born into As they get older and their own looks are faded, they want a guy with money who can give them a luxurious life. They still want looks of course, although they're more likely to be willing to 'settle' and close their eyes when having sex with a guy they're not actually attrac…
/r/seduction14/06/22 07:42 AM
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to be fair, that's kind of always the case. Guys like to tell themselves 'i got her because i used the pushpull line', but they don't even realise she wanted to fuck him the second she laid eyes on him
/r/seduction13/06/22 11:37 AM
3

probably done nothing 'wrong'. 20 approaches is nothing. It's a numbers game. Unless you are very very good looking, don't expect to get laid from such few approaches
/r/seduction12/06/22 08:53 PM
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exactly. It's not hard to understand. It's just a 'part' of looks. You can be tall and ugly, although that height will make you slightly more 'attractive' than if you had a twin who was 5ft 3 A girl can have a killer ass that always makes someone more attractive, but if she's 7ft tall and has a huge chin or whatever, then overall i'd personally not be interested in her Girls are the same when it comes to how they view guys
/r/seduction12/06/22 08:16 AM
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height is simply a part of 'looks'. Girls like tall guys in general, but if you're ugly, of course she probably won't be interested. But a tall handsome guy will win against a short handsome guy ps - my wingman who is stupidly handsome and gets appraoched by hot girls every weekend who wanna rip his clothes off IS actually on the short side.
/r/seduction12/06/22 08:13 AM
3

exactly. If she's into you, you still need to escalate (unless she does it first) and move the interaction from friends to sex. (game). Although the bar is pretty damn low in that regard tbh . Just don't be a complete oddball And if you're just not her type / she isn't attracted to you / doesn't think you're handsome to her tastes, then of course at that point you won't get off the starting blocks with that particular girl. You can demonstrate 'confidence' and use pushpull lines and pre-selectio…
/r/seduction12/06/22 08:06 AM
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it 'works' but it's not what you think it is. You can't use 'game' to make a girl sexually attracted to you. That's marketing nonsense. Of course. There's no magic verbals or techniques you can use if you're not her type. You can't negotiate attraction But having 'game' will mean you convert a much higher percentage of girls who are into you, into sex, than someone who has no 'game'.
/r/seduction12/06/22 08:01 AM
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i sort of agree, but then you could more or less say the same about girls you meet in a bar or at work or any other setting. It's never the 'game'. It's about whether she thinks you're hot. From that point, the bar for 'game' is so low, it's not really worth talking about (don't be a complete oddball basically. That's enough if she thinks you're hot. And if she doesn't think you're hot/you're not her type, the best game in the world won't help at all)
/r/seduction11/06/22 09:40 AM
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because he's good looking! lol. genetics. Tall, green eyes, good face shape (bones) etc. Not something one can learn haha. His answer wold be 'I stand there and girls come up and flirt with me and tell me i'm handsome' lol
/r/seduction11/06/22 09:22 AM
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but if you're not her type (the hot girl you want) then it's already over. Whersas the good looking guy is very likely to be her type, so he will get her
/r/seduction11/06/22 09:09 AM
1

good looks lol
/r/seduction11/06/22 09:00 AM
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good questions But I can tell you that a lot of guys screw up with girls who are attracted enough to be open to sex. But he doesn't flirt. at all. He's awkward. He will never escalate. Many things can happen. You CAN get away with having like zero game if you are very good looking. I have 2 friends who pretty much fall into that category. No game but girls approach them and do all of the work etc. But them people are few and far between and not worth worrying about! Most people need a bit of gam…
/r/seduction09/06/22 09:42 AM
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it 'works' but it's not what you think it is. You can't use 'game' to make a girl sexually attracted to you. That's marketing nonsense. Of course. There's not magic verbals or techniques you can use if you're not her type. You can't negotiate attraction But having 'game' will mean you convert a much higher percentage of girls who are into you, into sex, than someone who has no 'game'. It's basically 'applied charisma'
/r/seduction09/06/22 09:25 AM
2

you weren't her type. Good job for shooting your shot. NEXT!!
/r/seduction09/06/22 09:22 AM
1

i agree
/r/seduction10/05/22 07:06 PM
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nah. She knows the second she lays eye on you, just like men do
/r/seduction06/05/22 05:28 PM
1

lol
/r/seduction22/01/22 08:03 PM
1

be very good looking. Have you ever had a woman make the first move on you at a bar? VERY rarely, but my wingman has it about 5 times per night when we go out! Zero game is required for him. Girls do the work (making convo, escalating etc) - So it 100% happens, but you need to have hit the genetic lottery
/r/seduction19/01/22 08:31 AM
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you can't make a girl want you sexually. You're either her type or you aren't. I promise no secret psychological tricks (''buy my course for $159.99'') or pushpull lines etc are going to trick her brain into wanting to bang you lol Get yourself fit and healthy and in a good state of mind, and approach lots of girls and show some intent and try to be fun with it
/r/seduction13/01/22 01:04 PM
2

good job. You couldn't have done anymore. If you're not her type, you're not her type. ''Next!''
/r/seduction12/01/22 08:31 AM
1

Have a little chat about something not to boring. Maybe what you both got up too at the weekend or whatever, and then be like 'We should go out for a drink sometime'. If she's interested in you she'll go with it. If you're not her type, she'll give excuses etc. You're either her type or you're not. You're job is just to find out.
/r/seduction06/01/22 08:49 AM
1

it's always a numbers game
/r/seduction04/01/22 09:17 PM
5

100% agreed. I'm currently banging a girl from work who is way out of my league and that's what I done. I implied I had other options, I teased her a lot, I made it clear I thought she was hot, but as if it wasn't a big deal. females like the challenge of getting a guy to like them If they find them attractive. Exactly; as you say. IF she is attracted. nothing is gonna work if you're not her type. That's not what game is. That's the marketing part of 'game' that coaches looking to rip off naive …
/r/seduction20/12/21 10:58 AM
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We're often on the same page, me and you (although we probably disagree a fair bit with the idea of game in general). But yeah, I agree again. This is what i've done many times. Gently push against the wall and kiss straight away as soon as we're through the door more or less. I've even had girls tell me it was super hot. I think people overcomplicate it somewhat. If she's into you (and the fact she's agreed too a date and then came back to your place or whatever is a damn good sign) then you ca…
/r/seduction13/12/21 08:59 AM
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One of them kept dancing close to me and flicking her hair back to brush me, backing her ass into me it was already over at that point lol People overthink game. It's easy as fuck when thye are into you, and impossible if they're not
/r/seduction12/12/21 09:56 AM
1

LOL
/r/seduction08/12/21 11:20 AM
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you two goons win the internet today. I laughed and then laughed some more!
/r/seduction07/12/21 11:17 AM
1

bingo.
/r/seduction07/12/21 08:36 AM
8

yep. You think she'd be 'busy all the time' if her fav insta hunk asked her out? :) it's a numbers game and he did well to shoot his shot. Now on to the next!
/r/seduction03/12/21 04:43 PM
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that he wasn't her type? Not everything has a lesson lol
/r/seduction03/12/21 03:30 PM
2

I hesitated for like 2 minutes, but managed to do it in the end. I said she was pretty and I wanted to say hi. I was nervous, i mumbled words from the nerves but she gave me her number. The same week i went out on a date Beautiful. That's why 'game' is so overcomplicated. You can mumble and be hesitant and be super nervous, and still get the result you want. It's simply about trying your luck. If she's attracted to you, none of the above matter (as you proved). And if she's not attracted to you,…
/r/seduction03/12/21 10:30 AM
2

you should do fine with a mirror selfie if you that good looking tbh, but if you can afford it, then why not! Will improve the quality of your lays even more
/r/seduction03/12/21 09:25 AM
1

you should clean up on tinder. Give it a shot!
/r/seduction03/12/21 12:16 AM
1

THAT'S how you do it!! Love them insta makeout sets. nice one!!
/r/seduction02/12/21 11:56 PM
3

don't worry about it. She can't read your mind. Just be like 'hey. We haven't met yet. I'm horaman76! How's your day going?'' or whatever
/r/seduction02/12/21 08:28 AM
0

all the info is on youtube and stuff. Plus you can easily torrent 'premium products'. BUt it all boils down to approaching girls and flirting. If she's into you, escalate. It's not rocket science
/r/seduction30/11/21 02:17 PM
0

sounds like a 'no girl'. Next!!
/r/seduction30/11/21 02:08 PM
2

you need to be a 10 as well (very good looking, very charasmatic, lots of money etc)
/r/seduction27/11/21 09:08 AM
1

the way she looks at you. Also proximity and little things like ficking her hair etc
/r/seduction26/11/21 02:41 PM
3

A mild case of oneitis. There should be a cream for that
/r/seduction25/11/21 06:00 PM
3

x2
/r/seduction24/11/21 07:02 PM
2

whether you go all talking about sex or just dropping subtle physical compliments etc Either is fine. As long as you make a move to escalate it in some way and get your answer as to whether she is interested or not.
/r/seduction24/11/21 12:11 PM
0

haha!
/r/seduction24/11/21 11:23 AM
1

hit the gym and get some tats then try again
/r/seduction24/11/21 10:37 AM
0

check out Todd V on youtube
/r/seduction23/11/21 02:14 PM
1

exactly
/r/seduction20/11/21 09:57 AM
2

lol
/r/seduction18/11/21 11:41 PM
17

nobody can seduce a girl who doesn't want to be seduced by you If you are just not her type and she's not attracted to you, that's it. You're just delaying the rejection. NO pushpull lines or female psychology theory or negs or whatever are gonna help This is proven again and again, even in infields
/r/seduction16/11/21 08:15 AM
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no. Just used actresses and stuff lol. He knew a lot of theory but then so do I. And so can you if you have a spare hour
/r/seduction13/11/21 02:39 PM
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Dr. Robert Cialdini has a book, The Psychology of Persuasion. He’s got great stuff in there that’s important toour understanding of attraction. One of the things he talks about is physical attractiveness and its importance in influ-encing others. There’s this amazing rumor going around that looks don’t matter. That’s kind of a fallacy. Yeah, they do matter. We like to kid ourselves that they don’t matter. We like to say it doesn’t make a difference – but it does.Although it has long been suspect…
/r/seduction13/11/21 02:07 PM
1

she has no idea of your height? Most girls ask before the date nowadays to avoid wasting their time. All you can do is shoot your shot. If you're not tall enough for her liking it will be pretty obvious fairly fast and obviously the date wo'nt go anywhere sexual. Who knows. Maybe she's one of those girls for whom height isn't that important in which case you'll be fine The fact she didn't ask might be a good sign actually
/r/seduction12/11/21 03:48 PM
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that's just life though i'm afraid. Only scammy coaches will tell you any different! Would you want to sleep with a really fat, ugly older woman because she knew some 'game' lines or was charasmatic and confident? I doubt it. Same for girls. It's about attraction. There's really no 'strategy' for that (there have been, such as in the mysterymethod with negs and stuff, but nobody does it anymore since it didn't work lol)
/r/seduction12/11/21 08:24 AM
3

lol. Another clueless noob!
/r/seduction12/11/21 08:08 AM
2

it exists, but the bar is super super low. If you approach a girl who is into you, you literally just need to ask her some questions, and show some intent. You can even do it super basic so literally tell her you think she's pretty and lead her around and physically touch her more and more. Or you can go all PUA and use pushpull lines instead. The outcome is the same If you open a girl who isn't attracted to you and you are not her type, you can't game your way into her underwear. This is proven…
/r/seduction10/11/21 04:11 PM
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unless one is being super weird, the rejection is out of their control. There's usually nothing to ''learn''. A different approach angle or cold reads or a pushpull line wouldn't have cut any ice with a girl who simply wasn't attracted to you
/r/seduction10/11/21 03:31 PM
3

He was caught using an actress for an infield a few years back (like most of them tbh) so it's not a great loss. If he was actually able to 'seduce' girls he'd never had hired someone. It's good if he inspires people to actually approach, but he's no 'better' than any other random dude. Nobody is, tbh. It's just a numbers game
/r/seduction10/11/21 09:04 AM
1

doesn't sound like RSD. Only ginger they had was tyler/owen. Could it be Valentino Cohen?
/r/seduction10/11/21 08:55 AM
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numbers game, bro. Keep going. Your goal is to find sociable girls who like how you look. From there it tends to take care of itself. Nobody can game a girl who doesn't want to be gamed by you Unlikely you could have changed that result unless like you were unable to look her in the eye and other massive mistakes, but that doesn't apply to 99% of guys
/r/seduction10/11/21 08:54 AM
5

he probably means their 'energy' or maybe their fashion etc. However, I used to test that stuff out since it was very popular in the PUA world and honestly found it to be no more effective than anything else. Maybe it's a culture thing or an age thing, but the girls here found it weird to be told them sort of 'compliments' advised in PUA books. ''Good energy?!! Errrr....Ok...?...'' lol I actually found it's best to keep it simple and if you're gonna compliment her, just tell her she's cute/your …
/r/seduction09/11/21 08:34 PM
2

hit gym hard, get fashion as good as possible with hair style and clothing and even tats. Then it's just a matter of meeting and hitting on as many girls as possible. All the dating apps and also go out every night to cold approach girls in bars etc. (say hi, ask how their night is going, ask things about them, make observations, show humour, flirt) At some point you'll meet a girl who likes you and is attracted and then you just need to escalate There's no magic verbals or tips or tricks to mak…
/r/seduction08/11/21 01:58 PM
1

walk up to her and flirt. Say hi, ask her stuff, joke around, tease her etc. If she's attracted to you it could lead to sex. If you're not her type, move on to the next girl. She can't be got
/r/seduction08/11/21 08:33 AM
1

i agree that if she sees you as a freind it doesn't mean she can't see you another way But disagree that you can shape someones type or whatever. If she's not physically attracted to you, it's game over
/r/seduction07/11/21 01:34 PM
1

That's not true, turning a friendship to dating is pretty easy. Only if you happen to be her type (she thinks you're hot)
/r/seduction07/11/21 01:30 PM
1

it's irrelevant really. The opener is to get them engaged in a convo. The 'result' of the interaction is determined by whether you are her type or not There's nothing really wrong with going super direct, tbh although it's not my style. But it saves you wasting time where you are just delaying the inevitable rejection assuming you're not her type
/r/seduction07/11/21 10:17 AM
4

it goes in cycles. Basically switches between mysterymethod (indirect open, negs, dhv stories etc) and mark manson (direct, no gimmicks) The recommended approach basically changes every month or so. It's actually quite interesting to see it in practice as the consensus constantly switches back and forth the actual reason for the apparent lack of consensus and people always looking for the next thing and arguments etc, is simply because 'game' can't do what people want it to do (give you the abil…
/r/seduction06/11/21 08:50 AM
1

incorrect. Flipping 'maybe girls' takes a certain level of skill and persistance, but it's not hard. A maybe girl is basically still a 'yes girl' or a 'no girl' and you just need to find out. Nobody in the existance of infields (the bets proof we have) can flip 'no girls'. YOu simply can't negotiate attraction. You've been suckered in by pua marketing from 'coaches'. I was where you are once
/r/seduction06/11/21 08:42 AM
1

I get results. I'm as 'good' as anyone else tbh lol. There is no 'master'. It's like being the 'master' of breathing haha
/r/seduction05/11/21 08:27 AM
1

All kinds of reasons. Good looks, status etc
/r/seduction04/11/21 08:19 PM
3

exactly. A number of successful people in this thread are basically confirming exactly what I learnt some time ago. That, despite all the PUA marketing and scammy coaches, all of this stuff is really just about being good at spotting who's into you, and being good at lleading that attraction to sex. It's NOT about magically MAKING girls want to have sex with you and taking them from 'ewww go away' to 'please bang me!!'. Literally nobody can seduce a girl who doesn't want to be seduced by you. Ev…
/r/seduction03/11/21 04:54 PM
2

Well now you're touching on an important subject. If you've been in the community as long as me, you'll have noticed how things, including the advice has massively changed. (probably for the better) In the old days, if someone said 'Hi, there's this super hot girl in my class. HOw do I bang her?', people would be answering it from the angle of MAKING her attracted. Answers would be like 'Start up a convo about class and be sure to drop in strawberrery fields routine. Then neg her a bit about her…
/r/seduction03/11/21 02:56 PM
2

I agree with him, tbh. I think he's sort of saying that 'game' is largely just being normal. Most people who grew up with friends and stuff have as much 'game' as any of these PUA coaches and really don't need to 'learn' the stuff in PUA books etc as it's just common sense for most people. It's really not very difficult. But it's massively overcomliacted due to marketing reasons. The same reasons coaches imply that it's some sort of jedi mind control when in fact, even at the 'highest' level, it…
/r/seduction03/11/21 01:47 PM
0

lol. It needs to be 'learnt' by people like you who have serious social issues/autism etc and literally need to learn this stuff. I'm glad RSD helped you. They're 10x better than that john anthony scammer
/r/seduction03/11/21 08:26 AM
14

this is not necessarily a shit test. Don't get too carried away with that stuff lol It is often a matter of the girl just being a 'no girl'. She' simply not interetsed. Not attracted (girls know why a guy in a bar approaches them and of course, if you're not her type, she isn't going to want to encourage you). There's no verbal wizardry you can do to turn that ship. You can't negotiate her attraction If you're talking too a brick wall, wish her a good night and go find a new girl who might be in…
/r/seduction02/11/21 09:16 AM
0

why is this? Because your 'vibe' and your 'game' is of fairly minor consequence. (despite what coaches and scammers trying to sell you stuff need you to believe) What's important is are you her type. Physically. Is she attracted to you If she is, it's not too hard to close the deal. Good vibe or not And if you're not her type, all the pua theory in the world won't help
/r/seduction01/11/21 06:41 PM
6

kind of. Back when I was approaching a lot and getting laid a fair bit, on more than one occasion, girls knew who I was. Sometimes i'd approach a girl and ask their name and give mine and they were like 'I know who you are. You slept with my friend' or 'I know who you are. You hit on me last week' etc lol Weirdest one was a group of young girls blatantly filming me in the pub (trying to do so in secret), and it turned out it was because I slept with one of their friends the week before and they …
/r/seduction01/11/21 06:39 PM
3

not just the word 'real'. Asking to meet someone just sounds strange to me. Maybe a culture thing. ''Hi, can I meet you' would get a very confused look from a young British girl lol
/r/seduction30/10/21 08:40 PM
3

try. But the actual words 'can I meet you real quick' does sound super cringe to me, but maybe that's just because i'm British. Maybe it sounds normal to American people?
/r/seduction30/10/21 03:31 PM
9

UK is social circle game basically. Love systems done a lot of research on this and UK is far from ideal in terms of cold approach. Especially down south. Stick to social circles, and of course try bars etc (but still expect a much more hostile reaction compared too a bar in the US). Do daygame if you live near central london and expect all success to come from travellers/tourists etc
/r/seduction30/10/21 03:20 PM
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If you go up to 5 girls and not one is interested, don’t you think either your game is wrong or you are going for girls out of your league? yes. And now we're getting to the cold hard truth that coaches really don't want to admit. They say 'if you approach 30 girls and none are interested, then it's 100% your game' but that is a ridiculous statement to make Imagine some 55 year old short fat bald dude. If he goes too a 'victorias secret' models convention full of hot 18 year olds, i'd wager he's…
/r/seduction30/10/21 03:17 PM
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It is 100% a numbers game. This is because no matter how much 'game' you know, you can't seduce the girls who don't want to be seduced by you. If you are not her type, your game is no more effective on her than an ugly girls game would be on you Only coaches trying to scam you will tell you otherwise, and for every coach who tells you that, I can find you many many infields of their 'game' failing completely (due to trying to game unattracted girls)
/r/seduction30/10/21 12:18 PM
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It 100% happens! But not to most guys so not worth worrying about My wing gets appraoched on average, i'd say 5-6 times per night! (usually girls pretending to recognise him or making a commnent on something about him) Don't think i've ever seen him approahced in the day, thjough
/r/seduction23/10/21 05:55 PM
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very nice. That sort of thing happens to my really good looking friend lol. He even banged a girl once who he had accidentally 'blocked in' with his car. She came up to him to berate him, realised how handsome he was, and they were fucking shortly after that haha. Crazy story. Like a decade ago now but still makes me laugh
/r/seduction22/10/21 10:10 AM
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this. As others have said. Stop trying to 'seduce' a girl who clearly doesn't want to be seduced by you It's not how it works in the real world. Only 'coaches' (and people shilling for said 'coach') will tell you that this is possible.
/r/seduction22/10/21 08:26 AM
2

UK is very different to the US culturally
/r/seduction22/10/21 07:53 AM
2

he lies about literally everything...and not just to the girls he's trying to hit on lol
/r/seduction20/10/21 06:50 PM
2

i don't think he has game though, tbh. He even dismisses pretty much all attraction material (pushpull for example. He literally has videos saying not to do it, and not to do basically everything else under the umbrella of game) What's left? That's why the only girls he can get (other than hookers) are STRONG ye girls. His model is approach, pretend to be a DJ (even though it's lying it's still technically 'game' since it's a dhv) and then he goes for the pull. 99% of the time she isn't attracte…
/r/seduction20/10/21 06:49 PM
2

start flirting a bit. Sooner rather than later. Don't wanna get friend zoned too bad
/r/seduction20/10/21 01:09 PM
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The coach i'm learning from though advocates compliance and verbally passing her objections at each stage. I've got his lines down but keep hitting road blocks Sounds like that fraud PUA jmulv? The one who just uses hookers and doesn't get laid unless with strong 'yes girls' He doesn't have or even attempt to use game. Has videos himself where he literally admits this ('never use pushpull' for example lol) That's because he is relying on being tall doing the work for him. Hoping to stumble acros…
/r/seduction20/10/21 12:40 PM
0

Nobody can bang 'no girls' (see infields for confirmation of that. If a girl is blatantly not attracted, no game in the world can turn that ship around) How old are you? How old are the girls you are approaching? If there is a massive different there, then of course most girls will insta reject you unless you run sugar daddy game. And girls know why you're approaching them in a bar, so even your open which appears indirect(ish) is basically saying 'I wanna bang you' in her mind. And so of course…
/r/seduction20/10/21 09:14 AM
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he's a coach. Anyone who's job it is is going to multiply their lay count by about 20 lol. Very likely just some unemployed dude trying to make some money in an unregulated industry where literally anyone can claim anything and charge people for their 'advice' haha
/r/seduction19/10/21 10:29 PM
1

there's no magic lines i'm afraid lol. In person or in texting
/r/seduction19/10/21 10:11 PM
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seduction isn't a solo game. Don't beat yourself up. If a girl isn't into you, she will just give one word answers (if that) which will put an end to the convo fairly fast and there's not much you can do about it. You're just delaying the rejection
/r/seduction19/10/21 08:49 PM
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ha. I can tell you that i've been gaming for quite a few years and some of my worst periods were when I was super technical, following a strict model, using the appropriate lines in the appropriate places etc like a PUA robot (of course acting as if it's natural though). I'm not recommending anybody, but one of my better patches coincided with watching Tyler from RSD back in the day after he'd adopted 'natural game'. I wasn't thinking about anything other than self amusing (in a calibrated way o…
/r/seduction19/10/21 06:12 PM
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Most people drop the PUA stuff (majority of it) when they realise that it's a bit like dumbos feather. The actual results after someone learns all about cold approach pickup/game, really come from the fact that you are now meeting tonnes of girls! You're increasing your odds. And you might even appear a bit more confident because you have a 'pushpull line' memorized or a framework or something that you think is akin to jedi mind control and will MAKE any girl wanna bang you What most eventually …
/r/seduction19/10/21 05:51 PM
1

Did you make a move on her. Show some intent either verbally or physically? Unfortunately you can't force attraction in a woman. But you need to find out if she's attracted to you or not which is why you try to slowly escalate. If you didn't make any sort of move that COULD be why she moved on (thinking you were just being friendly or whatever) It could also be the case that you were just not her type and she was being friendly. Conversation will always go dead if only party is actually interest…
/r/seduction19/10/21 03:00 PM
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he's good enough. There's no secret super powerful techniques or anything. If you find his style cringy or whatever then find someone else who resonates with you. There's many pickup guys to choose from. Take a look at todd V, Tay Social, honest signalz, RSD. As I say, don't overthink it though. Flirting/game is pretty simple shit!
/r/seduction19/10/21 02:51 PM
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You can't 'create' attraction. You can only 'amplify existing attraction' (as per Mark Manson in 'models' ) Basically you need to flirt. Flirting is great. But doesn't MAKE her wanna fuck you (Nothing does. same as 'game'. If you're not her type it's game over) - But it will make things happen in the event that she is into you So read about game/flirting. Tease her. Touch her.
/r/seduction19/10/21 02:43 PM
1

young girls don't care about DHV stories and stuff. More about feelings and fun and of course what you look like
/r/seduction19/10/21 12:33 PM
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flirt and be fun. Check out RSD
/r/seduction19/10/21 12:12 PM
0

yeah. I'm not saying game and stuff doesn't help, but rules 1+2 will always be the overriding factor when we're talking about sexual relationships (especially on a cold approach)
/r/seduction18/10/21 09:23 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/qatt09/beware_of_the_undercover_dating_coaches_that_are/
/r/seduction18/10/21 08:58 PM
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u/thesunshineman ??
/r/seduction18/10/21 08:57 PM
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check out Todd V. Tonnes of free, actionable advice. Even vids like 'use my lines' adn stuff. In fact, RSD products were essentially just compilations of their youtube vids
/r/seduction18/10/21 08:48 PM
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he contributes piss all except 'i've banged 1000 girls' in every post and 'learn my style of game' (because that's how he gets DM's where he can offer coaching lol)
/r/seduction18/10/21 07:53 PM
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That goons a coach?? Oh God, that's even more embarrassing. I knew there was something off about him. Clearly here just to shill for business. That's why his posts are so hollow. He's fishing! lol
/r/seduction18/10/21 07:37 PM
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you're clueless
/r/seduction18/10/21 07:16 PM
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i know a lot more than you.
/r/seduction18/10/21 07:00 PM
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For it to work, there's gotta be some initial attraction bingo!! ps - he's just scamming/shilling for clients. he doesn't know anything you don't already know. I promise
/r/seduction18/10/21 06:39 PM
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he's just shilling for clients. Trying to take peoples money. All the info on game is already out there for free
/r/seduction18/10/21 06:20 PM
3

there's no secret lines or techniques (other than the ones we all know about. Cold reads, pushpull etc etc) It's a numbers game
/r/seduction18/10/21 05:46 PM
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approach lots
/r/seduction18/10/21 01:28 PM
1

UK is a very different culture. Americans tend to be very receptive to strangers
/r/seduction18/10/21 01:22 PM
1

either. Game is vvery simple indeed. Anyone can do it. We all do it here on seddit
/r/seduction18/10/21 01:18 PM
1

Todd valentine youtube; Or tay social Just type in pickup on youtube and you'll find many. It's simple though. It's just approaching girls nad shooting your shot
/r/seduction18/10/21 01:03 PM
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2000 lays could also watch Tay social, too. Game is very simple
/r/seduction18/10/21 12:56 PM
1

it can work, but only if she thinks you are VERY good looking and she's attracted enough to comply at each step
/r/seduction18/10/21 09:56 AM
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just ask her out. She made up her mind the second she saw you. It's your job to find out (ideally without being too weird about it. That's game)
/r/seduction18/10/21 09:29 AM
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game is just shooting your shot. People make it sound like black magic haha
/r/seduction18/10/21 08:45 AM
2

Todd V - free on youtube
/r/seduction18/10/21 07:23 AM
0

it is a numbers game. Coaches will tell you otherwise because they want your money, but as long as you have basic social skills and the guts to show intent, your results depend on being the girls type. She's just attracted to you on some level the second she see's you. Thus it's a numbers game
/r/seduction17/10/21 07:48 PM
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Sounds like she was a 'polite NO girl'. A tricky customer. You think you have a shot because she's willing to talk and stuff (so you think she's a 'maybe girl' or even a 'yes girl'), but she's not actually attracted (rejects compliance). You're just not her type. Nothing you can do. She's actually a NO girl in disguise ;) That's one of the advantages of direct game. You don't waste time on girls who literally can't be got by you. Even if you have the best game on planet earth. Sounds like she wa…
/r/seduction16/10/21 10:09 AM
1

there you go. You've just learnt game. Go forth adn shoot your shot
/r/seduction16/10/21 07:53 AM
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agree
/r/seduction15/10/21 06:52 PM
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good lesson. When a girl is attracted to you, you really don't need to overthink the game side of things. It's extremely basic and only needs to be 'learnt' if someone has some very serious social issues (never had a friend, can't hold eye contact etc)
/r/seduction15/10/21 06:13 PM
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correct. 'Pull' = sex
/r/seduction15/10/21 04:50 PM
1

he's kinda right in fairness lol. I mean I get why the community tries to push this idea that 'girls aren't visual' and aren't attracted to looks and 'looks don't matter' etc, but in truth, that's just marketing so they can sell their courses and stuff. Anyone with handsome friends or even sisters knows this! (they've seen girls literally hit on guys simply due to how he looks having never spoke to him. Girls aren't actually 'blind' like PUA's try to pretend they are haha) Of course a girl isn't…
/r/seduction15/10/21 12:36 PM
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lol
/r/seduction15/10/21 11:07 AM
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just try your luck and ask them out, starting with the one you want the most lol There's nothing anyone can tell you here to 'seduce' or MAKE them want you. That's not how it works. Shoot your shot. Find out if she thinks you're hot or not
/r/seduction14/10/21 10:13 PM
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competition still exists i'm afraid. You're competing with insta guys adn tinder studs who they are chatting with haha
/r/seduction14/10/21 08:57 AM
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It depends on where you are, but in general I think it's very low In the UK, even at NIGHT it so rare to see guys cold approach. (only exception seems to be on the dancefloor and that's if you can call grinding on a girl a cold appraoch lol) People just don't do it. Daygame?? Outside of London? Literally like 0.2% lol. In the US it's much more common, but even then, i'd guess like 5%?
/r/seduction13/10/21 11:04 PM
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doesn't really matter. Just means she's not interested. You think she's gonna pull that shit on Leo Dicaprio and risk losing him? :) Leave her to him and find a new girl
/r/seduction13/10/21 08:13 PM
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of course. They have preferences just like we do. Depends on the girl
/r/seduction13/10/21 08:11 PM
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Best = vadim from honest signals Also RSD were quite good (especially Julian) A few others who are decent are Austin Summers and coach Kyle But don't worry too much about coaches. Most are just liars with pretend laycounts and stuff trying to make money from the desperate, and there's really no secrets out there. Nothing you can't learn from 30 mins reading seddit or whatever. Approach, flirt. If she's into you, escalate. If you're not her type, move on to the next one
/r/seduction13/10/21 07:42 PM
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that's how it's done! Good work
/r/seduction13/10/21 03:25 PM
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it's a numbers game. Have the balls too approach girls you like If you are her type/she thinks you're hot (she knows the second she looks at you), then just escalate without being weird and not boring her to death (have game) If you're not her type (you'll know within seconds as long as you can read body language etc), move on to the next one! And yes, sometimes you'll surprise yourself. Some girls don't have typical taste (not ALL girls think a young Brad Pitt is super good looking for example)
/r/seduction13/10/21 01:46 PM
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i can't really think of one. Asking if she is single is not uncalibrated. It's fine. I was just saying there are uncalibrated ways of being direct of course (that's what you initially asked)
/r/seduction13/10/21 11:01 AM
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he needs to hit the gym more and improve fashion and stuff most likely. Unless he's spitting when he talks and stuff lol
/r/seduction13/10/21 10:32 AM
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it's a numbers game. Get as good looking as possible (gym, fashion, etc etc)
/r/seduction13/10/21 10:31 AM
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Not really As long as you don't say it in an uncalibrated way. Walk up too a girl and tell her you want to fuck her and it's not gonna end well unless you are 10/10 in looks But tell her she's cute and stuff is fine. It's about being socially calibrated. But direct is fine. So is indirect. It doesn't really matter. She's either into you or she's not
/r/seduction12/10/21 04:33 PM
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They're scammers lol. Anything you need to know about 'game' can be found and learnt online for free in like 45 mins. And don't expect miracles. There's no super secret advanced techniques to force attraction in a girl i'm afraid ;).
/r/seduction08/10/21 08:30 PM
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i haven't paid for any, but i've seen them ALL! All common sense, tbh. There's no super secret powerful seduction secrets lol.
/r/seduction06/10/21 02:07 PM
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you can learn all there is to know for free in just a few hours. This shit isn't rocket science lmao There's no 'secrets'. Only 'coaches' trying to sell dreams to the naive Everyone on youbtube is just rehashing the stuff taught by mysterymethod and vin Dicarlo and Tom Torerro stuff. But tbh none of them guys have any more success than the random guy on the street lol. Game just helps bang the 'yes girls' and some strong 'maybe girls'. It's not black magic lmao
/r/seduction06/10/21 09:07 AM
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lmao - John Anthony is literally the laughing stock of the community haha He has zero game. It's so clear from watching his infields. He runs the same 'game' as someone who has never heard of it lol. Plus some varry damming expose vids about him. He's completely useless. Plus he just uses sugar babes and hookers in Brazil for his 'lays' haha
/r/seduction06/10/21 07:33 AM
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lmao - John Anthony is literally the laughing stock of the community haha He has zero game. It's so clear from watching his infields. He runs the same 'game' as someone who has never heard of it lol. Plus some varry damming expose vids about him. He's completely useless. Plus he just uses sugar babes and hookers in Brazil for his 'lays' haha
/r/seduction06/10/21 07:33 AM
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None of them are really any 'better' than any normal/well socialised guy off the street tbh. I mean, there's really no secrets lol. She either likes you (is attracted) or she's not. Having said that, if I had to choose someone, i'd probably say vadeem of 'honest signals'. I also used to like Richard from 'street attraction' (had lots of infield but all got purged after the BBC program)
/r/seduction05/10/21 08:27 PM
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it's just not hard. Chat, flirt and escalate. She made her mind up before you said hi lol. The 'framework' is just obvious. It's like telling people you need to turn the heat on before frying the meat lol. You don't need to buy a course or memorise or think about this stuff unless you are someone with extreme social issues
/r/seduction01/10/21 06:25 PM
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just know that it's basically out of your control. You really don't need to stress. She either is attracted to you or she isn't. People stress because they are still stuck in 2007 and are thinking about all kinds of theory and stuff when talking too a cute girl. Relax
/r/seduction01/10/21 02:57 PM
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it's so funny to me that this is even a contentious issue (yet you're right and I see people claiming 'girls don't care about looks and aren't attracted visually' all the time on this sub lol) It's just a narrative that is very important to people marketing PUA advice as without people believing this narrative, the community (and their bank balances) are in trouble!! Anyone with sisters or good looking friends knows exactly how much girls are attracted by 'looks' and how 'visual' they actually a…
/r/seduction28/09/21 07:40 AM
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you can't verbally attract a girl who isn't attracted to you though. Neither can mystery. All of these seduction gurus get rejected just as often as me or you. I promise
/r/seduction26/09/21 08:50 AM
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nah, it works the same for girls As you say, we are like 'nice ass? young?! blonde?! I'm in!!' Well young girls are like ''nice jawline? Good body? tall?!! I'm in!!!'' The only difference is to do with things like safety etc. Certain things such as being very anxious/weird etc are enough to turn a girl off in some situations, whereas as a guy we wouldn't tend to care at all if some hot girl was really anxious or weird. We'd still wanna bang her! But it still all comes down too attraction. And sh…
/r/seduction26/09/21 08:46 AM
2

You're right. They decide as fast as we do when decided whether we'd bang a girl or not. Game is not for attraction. It's not for making a girl want you. It's to help you close the deal more efficiently
/r/seduction26/09/21 08:45 AM
2

you must be handsome as fuck dude! Congrats. Keep slaying!
/r/seduction23/09/21 09:14 PM
0

I didn't say everyone is equally 'good' at game. Of course if someone is unable to hold eye contact and can only talk about football, he's gonna struggle more than his twin who is a good talker and is more normal. But when it comes to getting laid, what matters is her attraction. Once you are 'normal', and can approach without shitting your pants and stuff, then the the standard of your game is largely irrelevant. She picks the guy she thinks is hot (as long as he's normal and can hold a convo e…
/r/seduction21/09/21 02:37 PM
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they've created a business out of thin air lol The idea you can 'seduce' someone simply isn't true. Watch enough infields form experts (including their many rejections) and you'll see this. None of them have a better hit rate than the random guy on the street (except the handsome PUA's like James Tusk etc) It's just a numbers game: It's about saying hi, and showing some intent. 6 year old boys on the playground do this without reading PUA books
/r/seduction21/09/21 08:38 AM
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different girls have different tastes. IN general, height is a bonus in terms of looks Girls want to bang 'hot'/handsome guys according to their tastes. Just like we want to bang hot girls. It's exactly the same for both sexes. Don't listen to these PAU gurus trying to sell you shit Approach enough girls, and if you are decent looking, you'll eventually find a hot girl who you can hook up with despite your height
/r/seduction20/09/21 04:17 PM
1

same. Deleted tinder a few years back. No matches! Would rather play the numbers game in person and 'match' with every girl haha. If she wants to 'swipe left' after I open her, that's fair enough
/r/seduction17/09/21 10:44 AM
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off too a flyer! Good job. I actually got a same night lay many years back with my first ever cold approach after reading my first PUA book!! I Thought 'this stuff works!!' but then got brought back down to earth and rejected by the next 200 girls or so over the next month or so haha. It's all fun and games. I've slept with many girls now and of course get rejected a huge percentagea of teh time, but i'm sure my game is as good as can be, pretty much.
/r/seduction17/09/21 10:35 AM
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Approaching a LOT more. I started getting laid lots when I started approaching a shit tonne of girls. You need to approach so much so you can find the girls who are attracted to you. Attraction is everything. Without it, nothing will happen If she's not attracted to you, you need to move on to the next girl. You can't make her attracted. So it's a mixture of making yourself as attractive as possible to appeal to more girls (gym, diet, style etc) and then just approaching When it comes to 'game' …
/r/seduction17/09/21 09:34 AM
1

i've gotten many many same night lays from bars. If that sounds like bragging I should also add that I get rejected a huge amount of the time! Probably not the answer you want to hear, but it's really about finding the girls that are attracted to you. When you find these girls, everything really does tend to 'just happen'. For example, lots of guys worry about 'running out oth things to say', or 'how do I escalate', but with the girls that are into you (especially at night) she MORE than helps y…
/r/seduction16/09/21 10:12 AM
1

Well 16 is legal where he lives. And even if he still chooses to only goes for 18, he's still likely to approach a lot of say 15-17 year olds. They all look the same around that age. You don't suddenly look loads older when you turn 18 lol
/r/ExRedPill16/09/21 08:11 AM
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she might like you too? You just need to find out. You can't make her like you (sexually) but you can find out. flirt. See if she flirts back. Ask her out. If the other guy has a big edge over you then in truth your odds are slim, but you have nothing to lose if they're not actually dating
/r/seduction14/09/21 09:21 PM
0

negging a girl doesn't force attraction LOL!
/r/seduction13/09/21 07:33 AM
2

there's not much to screw up. SHe's either attracted to you or she isn't. Find out. Ask her out
/r/seduction10/09/21 02:15 PM
1

you said what I said much more concise lol
/r/seduction09/09/21 10:55 PM
12

take a deep breath. You're right in that there is a tonne of conflicting info. All of the dudes who write the books disagree with each other, as you have noticed . That's because 'game' is basically bro science. It's just random dudes trying to market their own theories. Different things will work for different people because girls aren't robots. A handsome guy the same age as the girl might 'neg' her and then sleep with her and think it was the neg that done it when in fact he was just her type…
/r/seduction09/09/21 10:51 PM
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short of spitting at her on the open or some other extremely uncalibrated behaviour, there really is no 'wrong' or 'right' Almost every book on seduction disagrees on every point with the next author. (for example compare mysterymethod with models by mark manson, or LondonDaygame model with gunwitch etc) So whatever you are doing you are doing 'right' according too at least one of the seduction experts. In your case, you are running 'mode 1' type game. Open confident and state your intent. So no…
/r/seduction09/09/21 10:31 PM
1

he didn't do anything wrong though. What should he take responsibilty for exactly? It's not illegal to say hi to girls and try your luck (at least where he lives)
/r/ExRedPill09/09/21 05:14 PM
1

You go out, you dig on the ladies, and see who digs you back pretty much. Imagine people paying coaches thousands for that advice haha
/r/seduction08/09/21 01:15 PM
1

you're showing better social awareness than most to even realise this so that's a good start. A lot of them ARE weird. And their game/PUA tactics actually often do the job of making them look even more unusual than they otherwise would (for example trying to avoid asking her questions in favour of loads of 'cold reads'. Just makes you look unusual. Self amusement taken to the point of a technique, negs and bragging DHV stories etc) A lot of it does more harm than good and it certainly doesn't 'm…
/r/seduction07/09/21 07:40 AM
1

it ain't so bad. I used to approach like 30 girls per night and even though it was nearly constant rejections, I still got laid every week with a cute girl Even the 'pros' have similar stats, although they'd obviously never admit that! (although the few PUA's who released unedited streaming approaches pretty much confirmed it) It's really not 'skill' that drastically effects the success rate, but logistics and looks. A good looking guy in Vegas or soemthing is gonna get laid a tonne for example.…
/r/seduction02/09/21 12:36 PM
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the idea of turning a 'no' into a 'yes' has honestly been debunked at this point lol Just have a long hard look at infields and rejection compilations etc in premium products. Look for patterns in the successful interactions. What you will see is that PUA's, just like regular people, bang the girls who are receptive to their open, and never ever bang the girls who are like 'sorry. I'M not interetsed' or whatever when they open/. Their 'game' is powerless against an uninterested, unattracted girl…
/r/seduction01/09/21 10:41 AM
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thousands. Pretty much all at night in bars etc
/r/seduction01/09/21 09:20 AM
2

approach a tonne. Find the girls who think you are cute. Escalate. Body count stops being impressive once you realise it's just a numbers game tbh
/r/seduction01/09/21 09:19 AM
2

not a waste of time. I've gotten many lays from it, but you need to accept that unless you look like a young Brad Pitt, you are gonna need to play the numbers game to the extreme!! Be prepared too approach hundreds of girls and most of them will have zero interest in even answering your question lol. You are basically hunting for the girls who not only like how you look, but they are also super social girls who are comfortable with talking too a random guy Obviously slightly better odds with nig…
/r/seduction26/08/21 07:09 PM
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culture and stuff can have a big effect on cold approach success. There's a reason all the UK PUA's only get results with foreign girls, or that they tend to travel to other countries Or why there's never been a uk nightgame infield shot since the inception of youtube! Every US state i've been too i've been amazed at how friendly strangers are with each other and it's crazy to watch them have full on chats whilst waiting for teh bus and stuff, but i'm sure there's states in teh US that are more …
/r/seduction26/08/21 09:48 AM
1

If it's just some random guy on reddit, assume he's full of shit if he claims to be able to 'attract' any girl lol. You need to realise that on reddit, and online in general, everyone claims a 1000 slay count and can bench press 400lbs and are spinning 12 teenage plates who are all models etc lol. Some people get their kicks this way. The best you can expect is to close the majority of strong 'maybe' girls. Nobody has ever banged a girl who was not remotely attracted to him. DHV stories or no dh…
/r/seduction25/08/21 10:04 AM
2

like all styles, it will work if she's into you. Do it enough times and i'm certain you'll come back with a fun lay report at some point
/r/seduction25/08/21 07:23 AM
1

re-read the bit about 'no girls' lol
/r/seduction25/08/21 07:22 AM
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Polar opposites. Mystery is about opening with a little insult in order to lower her 'value' and using various material like stories that make you sound like an amazing person (stories about how you date models and have money and are a leader etc) in order to make her attracted. In theory even if you are a gargoyle and the ugliest 50 year old on earth, and she is a teenage beauty queen she is now very attracted to you because of the stories you told and stuff. Now you can qualify her and ask her…
/r/seduction24/08/21 05:42 PM
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''Wanna goes halves on a bastard??''
/r/seduction24/08/21 05:34 PM
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dudes just trying to get laid. Cut him some slack! Only part I agree with is that all the formulas and techniques are pointless. As he showed (didn't get laid, girls saying 'you're not my type' etc despite his PUA game/forumlas.). It's very simple. Approach, flirt. If she's into take her home. If she's not, she can't be got, move onto the next.
/r/seduction24/08/21 03:04 PM
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"youre not my type". Next!!!!
/r/seduction24/08/21 02:39 PM
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Wtf is set? Noob lol
/r/seduction24/08/21 02:39 PM
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yep. Basically everything works is you're her type, and nothing will if you're not. It's the exact reason all the pro's all disagree on everything and are constantly re-inventing the wheel (plus they all still get rejected loads) lol. There IS no 'system'! It's just a matter of attraction
/r/seduction24/08/21 02:29 PM
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don't try to "game" her. Interesting advice based on the sub, but i'd actually agree lol If she's attracted, you don't need it. And if she's not, it's not gonna help! So just be normal, show some intent, and see what happens
/r/seduction24/08/21 02:24 PM
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pickup lines are as effective as PUA lines (negs, DHV's, pushpull lines etc) So they can kind of help IF she thinks you're hot, basically But there's no verbals in teh world that can force sexual attraction in a girl. IMagine what the world would look like and the repercussions if that was possible lol
/r/seduction24/08/21 11:05 AM
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Hot girls bang lots of guys. Get used too it. If one of your 'plates' goes out and there's a good looking dude there, she probably banged him lol
/r/seduction24/08/21 11:02 AM
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you banged her though. So you do have game. And if you don't have game and she's right who cares - you still banged her lol (so game is basically irrelevant if a girl is attracted to you. Don't worry about it)
/r/seduction23/08/21 08:37 PM
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What country? I mean, if you're in the UK and she's hot, go for it! (age of consent is 16 here. No age gap laws) If she's not legal where you are, then obviously no. NOt worth it
/r/seduction23/08/21 06:38 PM
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From what little you've said, you're doing as well as most pro PUA's lol. You need to realise that these guys have hundreds of the exact interactions you're talking about. It can't be helped. Why? Because if she's not into you or whatever, you WILL 'run out of things to say' because that's basically her goal lol. She's not asking you things, she's giving one word answers or not reacting to what you are saying etc, and there will be a point where, unless you have no social ability to read a room,…
/r/seduction22/08/21 09:02 PM
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The cheat-code element of cold approach/game, is in the fact that you are approaching/meeting so many girls compared to average Joe thus are more likely to find the ones who think you're hot. It's not a cheatcode in any other way. Like, the tools/attraction material (dhv, negs etc) are literally inconsequential. That's why the 'best' still get rejected a tonne as seen in their rejection compilations in their private products (from mystery to James Marshall to everyone else. Why? Because if a gir…
/r/seduction22/08/21 06:43 PM
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In fairness, I think most people know this assuming they have basic social skills The problem is that there are still a handful of people hanging on for dear life in the hope that Mystery was right and that you can make her want you if only you remember your DHV stories and negs lol.
/r/seduction22/08/21 03:23 PM
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Good post. The cheat-code element of cold approach/game, is in the fact that you are approaching/meeting so many girls compared to average Joe thus are more likely to find the ones who think you're hot. It's not a cheatcode in any other way. Like, the tools/attraction material (dhv, negs etc) are literally inconsequential. That's why the 'best' still get rejected a tonne as seen in their rejection compilations in their private products (from mystery to James Marshall to everyone else. Why? Becau…
/r/seduction21/08/21 09:43 AM
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An hour into our convo this hot girl walks up and says "Hey, I'm with my friends and I was like ok these guys are cute as fuck but you're in some deep man talk so I didn't want to interrupt" You must have imagined this. Seddit says Girls don't approach and don't care about looks as they aren't visual. j/k ;) Good stuff. This happens a LOT to my main wingman
/r/seduction21/08/21 09:35 AM
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i think you're instincts are right. If she was actually into you, she'd definitely take you up on your offer. As you say, she knows you're into her and she's not taken the bait (kind of ignored your offer of drinks). If her crush made teh same offer, she'd be badgering him for exact times etc Sounds like she's just one of them social friendly/flirty girls who is like that with everyone she feels comfortable with ps - ignore the 'don't shit where you eat' comments. I'm not sure if it's just a US …
/r/seduction21/08/21 09:31 AM
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I wouldn't worry about being 'creepy'. Certainly not yet!! If a girl isn't attracted to you and you hit on her, she will often think of it as 'creepy'. Like the interaction will be awkward because since she's not into you, she won't really reply to you. You naturally carry on trying to break down her defences using PUA lines and stuff but it doesn't work. Interaction ends and it was awkward. Not really your fault. I mean, she made it awkward by not talking back or engaging (likely since she just…
/r/seduction21/08/21 08:55 AM
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Good FR
/r/seduction20/08/21 11:02 AM
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no. Check out James Tusk. Slays like a rockstar. Always opens direct like that.
/r/seduction19/08/21 08:34 PM
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the opener is fine. Millions of infields with that working perfectly well But it won't work if she's not attracted to you. But then neither will any other approach. (since she isn't attracted) It's normal. Just keep approaching
/r/seduction19/08/21 08:34 PM
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maybe people are just so used to being on their own on their iphones in isolation/lockdowns and stuff that talking to strangers in person just seems weird to them now
/r/seduction19/08/21 09:26 AM
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just baby step them to sex bro.Even if she thinks you're ugly! /s https://www.reddit.com/r/askseddit/comments/p6vzx2/is_rejection_still_normal_even_if_you_do/h9glhq7/
/r/seduction19/08/21 09:13 AM
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you must not have learnt the secret pushpull lines to get any girl you want!! :)
/r/seduction18/08/21 12:10 PM
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exactly. It's just a numbers game. She either thinks you're hot or she doesn't If she does, the only 'game' you need is being normal and of course making a move. People really shouldn't need to learn the 'game' that is taught in books! It's beyond obvious stuff If she doesn't, then no negs or pushpull lines are going to help. No more than they would a girl who you weren't attracted too using them on you Even infields show this nicely if you watch closely
/r/seduction18/08/21 10:52 AM
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no matter how you feel and what you do you can’t actually “choose” or pull a woman, she’s the one who chooses you. Correct Game helps you close teh girls who are attracted YOu can't MAKE her attracted. Neither can any Pickup artist/coach We've all seen enough infields at this point to see how it works.
/r/seduction17/08/21 05:28 PM
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unlimited variables on what 'could' be the reason, especially if you look at it from a 'game' point of view, not forgetting that it's likely all wrong lol Unless he is spitting when he talks or something, it's unlikely his 'game' that's the problem. 12 girls is nothing! They probably just weren't attracted to him. Simple. Unless you are handsome as hell, it's to be expected
/r/seduction17/08/21 07:35 AM
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I'm not sure what the problem is? You could have the best 'game' on planet earth and get rejected 100 times in a row YOu got rejected 12 Suck it up. Keep approaching, Find the girls who are attracted
/r/seduction17/08/21 07:33 AM
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loveStystems (pickup company from back in the day) done a massive article once about UK girls vs US girls. The consensus was that UK cold approach is just about as hard as you can get lol (mixture of high standards, it not being culturally 'normal' to talk to strangers like it is in America/stranger danger, girls typically not wanting to associate with people outside their immediate social circles, and a handful of other reasons I forget lol) I guess there's a reason UK coaches only approach in …
/r/seduction16/08/21 11:13 PM
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I personally don't tend to be quite so direct, but honestly, there's nothing wrong with it (pickup coaches themselves tend to have a 50/50 split as to what is the best approach. That should tell you all you need to know lol) I experimented with both over the years and there was no clear pattern as to what is the best. Direct and indirect will both work fine is she is attracted to you and will both fail if you're not her type
/r/seduction16/08/21 08:13 AM
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He literally pulled a woman into an alleyway against her will in the dead of the night He didn't. And all charges were dropped and he was released anyway. He done nothing wrong or illegal
/r/seduction15/08/21 09:17 PM
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yes. Case was dropped. He didn't actually do anything 'illegal'. He simply hit on girls half his age (perfectly legal) in volume.
/r/seduction15/08/21 09:17 PM
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I mean that you can easily close more or less any woman you choose Then you are only talking about famous people, and ridiculously handsome people lol To give you an idea, Paul Janka, who is a professional PUA/dating coach who is also on the handsome side, has a 4% hit rate (if he opens 100 hot young girls, he'll bang 4) I promise nobody on reddit is doing better than that despite what they tell you. All other PUA's on youtube etc have a similar hit rate. There's no hidden seduction secrets. We …
/r/seduction15/08/21 06:35 PM
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they're the girls who just aren't attracted to you. You're not their type. Maybe they like tall guys with green eyes who are muscly and clean shaven who are funny, and you're short with brown eyes and a beard and are skinny and aren't funny lol. How they act can vary, but it's really not hard to know when a girl isn't into you at all. Could be one-word answers and bad body language. Could be outright telling you that you are not her type. Some are a bit more difficult because some girls are real…
/r/seduction15/08/21 06:28 PM
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because just being muscly still doesn't mean you are handsome lol
/r/seduction15/08/21 03:52 PM
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Mark Manson said it best in reagrds to yes girl, no girls and maybe girls For a while, PUA coaches and stuff were selling dreams to men telling them they can bang 'no girls' (girls who aren't attracted to them) using various PUA techniques like negs and pushpulls and DHV stories etc. Of course, this didn't work and so they then kept trying to find the next coach or technique that WOULD achieve this lol. Eventually, with a few exceptions, the community now knows that it's really about banging the…
/r/seduction15/08/21 01:38 PM
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yep. It's completely random. THat's actually why all PUA 'experts' disagree on everything/what to do etc. Because the same line delivered in identical ways will get a very different reaction based on things like how handsome you are, how hot she is, how old you are, how old she is, your location etc etc It's a pure numbers game. The 'skill' element is basically inconsequential. Get out there and hit on girls. That's it. You've now learnt game. Have fun. Approach lots and you'll likely get laid a…
/r/seduction14/08/21 12:31 PM
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game is just basic social skills, tbh I'ts not attraction. That comes from whether she thinks you're hot or not. It's easy stuff. Don't over-complicate it
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 12:18 PM
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d'oh. I meant having the 'guts' to escalate.
/r/seduction14/08/21 09:58 AM
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Cold approach isn’t a cheat code to “get laid whenever and wherever” it’s having unlimited OPPORTUNITY to hit on whoever you want, nobody claims you’ll have a high success rate if that’s what you’re looking for stick to choosing signals. 100% People get confused when they hear about 'game' and think it's some way where you can say and do the 'right' things and then basically bang whoever you want, but this couldn't be further from the truth. The 'best' and most 'advanced' PUA's get rejected a hu…
/r/seduction14/08/21 08:28 AM
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well yes. 'Game' isn't gonna help at all if you don't meet her physical requirements. Game is no alternative to genuine physical attraction. Of course
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:14 AM
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I don't think there's really a rule about this. Or anything when it comes to game/seduction tbh When you first get into it, you of course realise that every expert has completely different advice that contradicts each other. They don't agree on a single thing (because it's all bro science and all that matters is does she think you are good looking and does she think you are normal and not super weird/possibly dangerous) But what you also notice is that the 'vibe' and energy of all of these PUA's…
/r/seduction13/08/21 07:30 PM
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problem is people sometimes think it's a 'shit test' when she simply isn't attracted to you lol. Doesn't want to talk to you/being rude/telling you to go away and that you're not her type and a million other examples. Some girls will sometimes 'shit test' though. I think it's more when she's kind of on the fence about you. She thinks you're attractive/handsome enough to bang but she's not exactly sold And sometimes, especially if she's very into you, she wouldn't dare shit test you in case you d…
/r/seduction13/08/21 07:24 PM
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I bet some people here think you are trolling or whatever, but i've seen your vids and I remember when this all blew up on facebook and stuff with people out with their pitchforks It wasn't harrassment or anything like that. In fact, you bailed out of the interactions FAST in almost every set lol. (often too fast) - Either because you could tell she wasn't interested or you ran out of things to say maybe. You didn't do anything wrong, but in the UK, cold approach in the day, with volume, outside…
/r/seduction13/08/21 07:58 AM
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that's pretty normal for a pro PUA (they cherrypick their more succesful infields) ESPECIALLY if you are hitting on young girls who are a lot better looking than you. Keep going Detail your approach, BUT it's unlikely that's the reason for your rejection unless you are literally spitting when you talk or whatever
/r/seduction13/08/21 07:31 AM
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PUA answer: Girls don't care about looks. You must be imagining girls hitting on your handsome friend. They're not attracted like how we are. Girls only care about how you make them feel etc. Real answer: Girls are just as 'visual' as us guys are. Attracted to what they see as 'good looking' just like us. That is literally the 'attraction' part covered. Now your co-worker just needs to not weird her out and escalate. And he'll wipe the floor with 'mystery' or any other PUA you can think of lol L…
/r/seduction11/08/21 08:22 PM
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I'd honestly say pretty much EVERYONE giving advice tend to cause more harm than good lol. It's why they all completely disagree with each other. They're trying too impose rules and systems on things which don't work like that! Different girls have different personalities. And like different guys. Everything 'works' and nothing works. No PUA in the world is out there banging whoever he wants lol. The guys writing books and selling coaching get rejected just as much as me or you - because it's a …
/r/seduction10/08/21 09:30 PM
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good job. Now you know she's not interested. NEXT!!
/r/seduction09/08/21 11:00 AM
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We have almost identical game and we've both slept with over 1,000+ women. yes yes. We hear it in every post lol. i've slept with 2000
/r/seduction09/08/21 10:01 AM
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he's a scammer. Just uses hookers and pays girls to make it looks like they're his girlfriends and stuff. Plus his 'game' can be learnt in a few minutes Open - tell her she's cute and that you wanted to meet her convno: Tell her you're a DJ. Ask how tall she is so you can brag about being 6ft 4. Tell her it's your friends Bday and you're having a big party across the road shortly, and invite her with the added offer of free vodka. Done
/r/seduction09/08/21 07:50 AM
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girls meet their boyfriends at work and through social circle Rarely through tinder And VERY rarely through cold approach As you say, even in BARS cold approach is fairly unusual here and girls can still think it's a bit weird lol. Americans are very lucky when it comes to cold approach. They don't know how lucky they are haha
/r/seduction07/08/21 02:41 PM
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if you live somewhere like Central London where you can target lots of tourists, or maybe even if you live up North (people are a lot friendlier with strangers there) then it's worth a shot. It's never really a waste of time as such, especially if you enjoy it, but one needs to be realistic. Game is just the icing on the cake. What matters is that you find approachable girls who like how you look
/r/seduction07/08/21 02:39 PM
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They matter to women as much as they matter to us, basically. In fact, on female PUA subs, they have the exact convos we do lol ('don't worry girls. Men don't care about looks at all! It's just how you behave. You can get any guy you want if you know what to do. Come on my coaching course' etc)
/r/seduction07/08/21 09:01 AM
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It's as good as any other course. The problem is it's only gonna be useful to people who don't have the basic social skills who are actually gonna learn something they don't already know Once you are basically 'normal', you already have as much game as anyone else. IN practical terms at least. e.g - if you are not her type, it doesn't matter how much 'game' you have. You're still going home alone. You can't force attraction. And if she IS attracted to you, then the amount of game you need is not…
/r/seduction05/08/21 04:12 PM
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the age of consent is 16 here and we don't have any age gap laws at all. It's bilogically normal to be sexually attracted to girls who have hit puberty no matter how old you are. We're hardwired to do so. Besides, 28 really is still pretty young For reference i've hooked up with girls who are 18 (and even slightly younger) fairly recently, and i'm a fair bit older than you. Are some girls gonna be creeped out? Probably. Not to worry. Are some girls just not gonna be interested? Of course. But th…
/r/seduction04/08/21 07:17 PM
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this. 32 approaches i NOTHING! I do that in a night lol (and maybe get laid that night eventually) People have been lied to so much by charlatan PUA coaches on youtube who pretend you can just bang whoever you want with their secret pushpull lines. If you saw how often they actually get rejected, the industry would probably just disappear lol Even a good looking PUA who knows all the game theory out there (Paul Janka for example) has a 4% hit rate!! 4%! Let that sink in
/r/seduction04/08/21 08:49 AM
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probably the best Helped me bang 2000+ hot young girls
/r/seduction04/08/21 07:14 AM
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DHV's don't work. Drop them. Check out RSD
/r/seduction03/08/21 11:24 PM
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simple answer: it matters if it matters to her. Not all girls have the same tastes
/r/seduction03/08/21 06:07 PM
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Remember that lots of the people you speak too online are dreamers. They get their validation from pretending to be super slayers on the internet lol I'll tell you that the success rate for cold approach is very low. Not that you shoudn't do it, though! i've been doing it most days for 10 years, and i've banged hundreds of girls and got rejected thousands of times lol. All good Coaches and stuff will of course not tell you the truth in general ($$$), although if you've ever seen uncut, unedited …
/r/seduction03/08/21 12:45 PM
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he wasn't talking about you lol
/r/seduction03/08/21 07:06 AM
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lol
/r/seduction31/07/21 10:24 PM
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People used to be more real about it all. Nowadays, even on reddit, there's so many people who are like 'I can approach 100 girls and bang them all because I know game' lol. Or 'listen to me. I've banged 2500 girls in the last 5 years'' etc. Pure internet Walter Mitty's lol End of the day, it's a numbers game. Game matters, in that it will help you not mess up and help you actually close the deal with the girls that are attracted to you Nothing more. I promise that whoever your favourite PUA is …
/r/seduction31/07/21 04:59 PM
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he's awful lol. zero game, He's banged a few hookers is all
/r/seduction31/07/21 08:32 AM
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it honestly works exactly the same for both girls and guys You need to find them physically hot. It's a pre-requistite for sexual attraction. Of course. Then you need to find them not super weird (as at that point you'll just find someone who looks the same but isn't weird) - that's where 'game' can help (basically hold eye contact like a normal person, don't be too boring, show some confidence etc) Obviously if you're not her type, nothing you can say will make her want to bang you. (literally …
/r/seduction30/07/21 03:46 PM
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All approaches will look 'cringey' if the girl isn't into the guy tbh (many examples of this from pro PUA's) Just asking questions is fine, btw (watch Julien RSD for proof) There really is no rule that you can't ask questions. In fact, NOT asking questions can make you look weirder tbh, lol (keep stacking assumptions and cold reads etc). Cold reads are not superior at all She didn't reject him due to 'interview mode' or whatever bullshit you read on reddit She just wasn't into the dude. Nothing …
/r/seduction30/07/21 03:36 PM
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hit the gym, look your best and approach more girls It really isn't a 'skill' once you are past being somewhat normal and having the balls to escalate. YOu can't 'seduce' a girl if she isn't into you no matter what pickup theory you've read. Approach more. More girls you approach, more likely you are to find the ones that are into you. It's like that for every top PUA, from toddV to mystery to James Marshall to Mark Manson
/r/seduction30/07/21 08:07 AM
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there's all kinds of different opinions on this, because there's all kinds of different theories that PUA coaches sell For example, some PUA's would strongly advise to show intent from the get go and tell her she's hot. And again, their reasons for doing so vary Some say you need to do it because she KNOWS why you are talking to her. And that you're basically hiding your penis by being indirect and not showing intent, thus lowering your value Other PUA coaching experts who are 'pro direct' say y…
/r/seduction29/07/21 09:13 PM
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One can't seduce/game a girl who doesn't want to be gamed by you. As you've learnt here. Read Mark Manson
/r/seduction29/07/21 06:50 PM
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everyone has 100% hit rate on the internet lol
/r/seduction29/07/21 06:30 PM
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I personally tend to open indirect, but honestly, it doesn't really matter. Of course many expert PUA professional coaches advise that you SHOULD open direct and tell her she's cute. Experts disagree on everthing in game because it's not actually the 'game' that gets the results If she is attracted to you, going direct will work fine. So will indirect. And if she's NOT attracted to you, neither will work So just do whatever you feel most comfortable with
/r/seduction26/07/21 10:31 AM
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Good writeup
/r/seduction25/07/21 10:22 PM
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So what things have you learn that you failed to apply? Give some examples of the things you forget in set As you say, all 'expert' coaches disagree on literally everything imaginable. Every possible thing in game or that you can do in an interaction will have some PUA experts who advocate it, and some who say it's awful game Ask yourself why that is, though. I'd argue it's because everything works and nothing works. To the same degree. It works when you open a girl who is attracted to you, and …
/r/seduction25/07/21 07:25 PM
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and that's exactly what he means by debunked lmao
/r/seduction24/07/21 09:01 PM
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attraction material doesn't work Depending on the guru, there is different 'attaction material' For example, mysterymethod says that he can bang a girl who thinks he's ugly if he 'negs' her and uses good DHV stories (try it. It doesn't work lol) London daygame model says that their 'attraction material' is teases and cold reads. Although I promise you that teasing a hot girl about her walk and make cold reads that she must be in fashion or something is not gonna magically make a girl sexually at…
/r/seduction24/07/21 08:21 PM
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Whoever told you the don't ('mystery' maybe?) is lying to you haha
/r/seduction24/07/21 06:52 PM
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She decides whether you are a SEXUAL option for her the second she lays eyes on you. Same as we do with girls. Game is about more efficiently banging attracted girls You can't MAKE her wanna bang you if she isn't physically attracted to you. You can't negotiate attraction.
/r/seduction24/07/21 12:30 PM
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as with all game, it will work if she thinks you're hot ha
/r/seduction24/07/21 10:55 AM
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pickup artist
/r/seduction24/07/21 10:55 AM
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lol, I love it. Good stuff. I remember some approaches like that when I believe in 'game' and 'attraction material' (negs etc). The marketing said it will make the girl chase your validation, but it only works if she is already attracted to you (and ironically that's when you don't even need teases and negs etc haha)
/r/seduction24/07/21 10:52 AM
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not too sure what you're saying - they used to have TONNES of infields and stuff on youtube. Also many infields from their various products. Each instructor had at least one product. (i've watched them all) However, it really did prove that it's always a numbers game. All of these guys with all of their 'game' knowledge got rejected a LOT! Just like anyone else, it's about finding a girl who is attracted to you, and then gaming her to bed. Nobody can 'seduce' a girl who doesn't want to be seduce…
/r/seduction22/07/21 10:10 PM
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orr ''Nooooo!! never ask a girl questions like that! That bores her and is bad game!'' lol
/r/seduction22/07/21 11:03 AM
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same. I've got a 3some line up with a few teen models. Gonna be a fun day!
/r/seduction22/07/21 09:42 AM
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it's about the same for both of sexes - infact, if you look at online dating, it would appear that women are even PICKIER than men when it comes to looks lol (hot guys will bang average looking girls. Hot girls only want the very best in terms of looks) Don't believe everything the PUA marketing need you to believe. Women are attracted to good looks in the exact same way men are. Anyone with sisters and female friends will know this
/r/seduction22/07/21 07:20 AM
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marketing bro. Ain't nobody convincing unattracted girls into banging them lol. Same way if some ugly girl uses negs and pushpull lines on you you still do'nt wanna have sex with her
/r/seduction21/07/21 10:22 PM
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Game is bs in the sense that you can't turn a woman on that doesn't already like you. Exactly. Sexual/physical attraction is a pre-requistite. That really shouldn't be a shock to ANYONE! LOL But yes, you can definitely make a girl 'like you'. Just not wanna bang you.
/r/seduction21/07/21 05:27 PM
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crazy lol
/r/seduction21/07/21 05:25 PM
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proof of covid test to go into a bakery? Damnnnn
/r/seduction21/07/21 03:22 PM
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My appearance hasn't significantly changed in the last 5 years but I suspect that it will after hitting 30 which I'm slightly worried about. How has your experience been with that ? gradual changes. It sucks. Can't fight aging really lol. Slowly more and more young girls will simply not be into you. There's no escape from that i'm afraid. Father time will get us all! As a side story, I went to Eastern Europe for a week before covid when I was like 29, and I stayed in a 'party hostel' full of gir…
/r/seduction21/07/21 10:54 AM
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Do what you want, but just know that the hit rate is gonna be even lower. I mean, for you to have a shot at getting a girl from cold approach, she needs to be physically attracted to you, no matter how good your 'game' is. That's always the case Now, hitting on girls who are a lot younger, you still need physical attraction, but you have an added layer of difficulty in that some girls just aren't 'into' older guys. Game is always a numbers game and even more so when older and hitting on 19 year …
/r/seduction21/07/21 10:10 AM
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unfortunately so Doesn't mean you can't shoot your shot, but not sure i'd bother
/r/seduction21/07/21 07:54 AM
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it's not outdated as such, but she needs to follow you and have liked your pics and stuff for you to have the smallest shot (obviously also need the looks and a good profile with great pics etc, although if she's already following you and stuff, you're likely already good in that respect) edit: oh you matched with her before. She thinks you're hot then. Go for it. Nothing to lose.
/r/seduction20/07/21 08:51 AM
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lots of people comment that 'learning game' actually made them worse lol Personally, i'm glad I discovered it because it made me appraoch girls a LOT more and as a result I got laid a lot more. But honestly, it's in spite of all the techniques and theory and lines etc. Not 'because' of it. Don't worry about the PUA books and coaches and stuff. There's nothing they can tell you that will drastically change your results (Other than to approach lots of girls which IS legit!)
/r/seduction20/07/21 08:30 AM
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anyone who tells you girls don't care about looks and stuff is just trying to sell you some sort of PUA coaching or something lol Game is really just something that helps you more smoothly bang the girls that are attracted to how you look. And not completely screw up It doesn't help you if the girls aren't attracted to you though. (that shouldn't need to even be said tbh. What made people think a pushpull line or neg or whatever would make a girl wanna bang them lmao). Sure confidence is an attr…
/r/seduction18/07/21 08:08 PM
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you'll never get a consensus on anything 'game' related so kind of not worth asking. Even every 'Pro' has completely different advice and theories to the next one lol (this is because this isn't really a science or a skill or whatever.) The actual result, even of the opener, is basically determined by whether she is attracted to you or not. So you can open however you want tbh)
/r/seduction18/07/21 10:35 AM
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Yes. Although I live in the UK where this isn't even an issue. I almost don't want to mention the ages and age gaps i've had as this is predominantly a US userbase, and Americans have VERY different opinions and stuff when it comes to this! edit: Since i've not been downvoted for that, i'll elaborate and i'll say that all the girls i've met have been through going out at night. Striking up a convo, flirting to see if there's interest, and then escalating (that's all game is) drinking age is 18 h…
/r/seduction18/07/21 10:29 AM
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They don't lol. But they can amplify attraction in a guy they are already attracted too/they think he's hot or whatever. but guys who actually get laid don't worry about any of that stuff. They just approach girls and caht about whatever and flirt and if she's into him, he escalates. Obviously a girl who doesn't think you're hot doesn't care if you are a protector of loved one or that you can give examples (dhv stories) of you being a leader of men etc
/r/seduction18/07/21 10:21 AM
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this
/r/seduction17/07/21 10:33 PM
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yep. I agree. You get better at spotting IOI's and knowing which girls will be most receptive to your approach, and you also get better at learning very fast whether you area flogging a dead horse or not (running game on a girl who just doesn't wanna be gamed by you lol)
/r/seduction17/07/21 11:45 AM
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be this guy - https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ok99o5/nightgame_approaches_eventually_found_the_girl/ just keep approaching. 4 approaches is nothing!! Most normal looking pro PUA's need about 30-100 approaches before they find a cute girl who is into them. Handsome PUA like James Tusk would of course only need a handful of approaches I'ts not your 'game' - you just need to find the girls who are into you That's all 'pro PUA's do too. I promise
/r/seduction17/07/21 09:50 AM
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ask her for her age, country, name, etc. Nah, you shouldn't ask those questions in game. She gets asked them all the time
/r/seduction16/07/21 09:15 PM
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I'm not sure we even need subs and stuff. Game is pretty easy. Approach (indirect or direct. Both are fine) Ask questions, make statements (cold reads). Try to get her to hook. If she hooks, carry on talking, build some comfort, and slowly escalating to try to lead to sex (escalate. Touch more etc) If she doesn't hook (probably you're just not her type) you can try 'attraction material' (depending on which 'coach' you listen to, these are either negs, or more cold reads and pushpull lines and te…
/r/seduction16/07/21 05:26 PM
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this is my go too. I always say I flew my plane and some friends to my mansion for the weekend or something
/r/seduction16/07/21 04:04 PM
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tomorrow
/r/seduction16/07/21 12:03 PM
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Todd V is one of the best, but he still gets rejected a hell of a lot. Much more than some random really good looking guy would. Game is more about not weirding out a girl being able to show you are charasmatic and confident etc. But it's not gonna make some girl wanna bang you lol. Game is nothing more than good social skills/flirting. At every level
/r/seduction16/07/21 11:28 AM
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it's funny that ToddV gets such a bad rep here now About a year back, it seemed like he was the God of this sub (behind Mark Manson) The advice and who people consider good changes here every few months lol. It's funny And also, peoples advice on here will always just be the opposite of whatever the OP who is failing is doing (if he says he's opening indirect and failing, everyone is like 'open direct! Tell her she's cute. Then she'll like you!!'' and visaversa. If he says he uses cold reads, pe…
/r/seduction15/07/21 07:37 AM
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not all girls only want a supermodel looking guy. You need to keep approaching until you find the girls who are attracted to your looks (whilst obviously optomizing best you can through gym and style etc)
/r/seduction14/07/21 11:26 PM
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hopefully your odds increase to getting the one you want every time That's not how it works i'm afraid ;) . (Although i bet Brad Pitt Back in the 90's could have come close! lol). You can only work with a girl who is attracted
/r/seduction14/07/21 08:37 PM
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I know. I was being sarcastic. I agree with you Was just teasing as some people on the sub are like ''Dude. You can be 100 years old and only 4ft tall with half a face and still bang any hot 18 year old you want if you know my secret brand of 'game'. '' lol
/r/seduction14/07/21 09:40 AM
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sure If you play it right and don't look like shit but girls aren't visual. Remember? So age and looks and stuff don't matter. Just learn pushpull and indirect openers and cold reads etc /s
/r/seduction14/07/21 09:26 AM
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Very basic game, but honestly, that's all you need. It's good enough.
/r/seduction13/07/21 09:44 PM
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it's the internet, dude! We've all banged a few thousand girls in the last few years! Catch up
/r/seduction13/07/21 09:21 PM
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Are you hitting the gym and got your style on point and stuff? You really can't verbally trick a girl into being sexually attracted to you. You can have 'game' which will make her think you are confident and stuff, but as i'm sure you know, that won't lead to sexual attraction if you are not her type. You're then just a confident man like her supervisor at work who she also doesn't want to sleep with. Keep trying to improve your looks and increase the number of girls you are hitting on Less theo…
/r/seduction13/07/21 07:00 PM
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Not surprised lol. His product I watched a while back (when he was JMULV) just demonstrated that he has nothing to teach anyone. He just runs the same 'game' as any other guy in the world does Not to mention his ex business partner exposed him to be using hookers and stuff His lay count is pure fiction. And he does seem to be a very odd guy. He made some of the cringiest live streams on youtube that i've ever seen back in the day (just talking pure BS like jay from teh inbetweeners for you UK pe…
/r/seduction13/07/21 08:40 AM
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I've seen it - as with all game products, you really only 'learn' things you already know. Open girl, make a comment on her profile, flirt, try to get her to meet by suggesting wine etc. Same as other game products. There's no secret lines or techniques or anything that is gonna make a girl want you It's basically numbers game + flirting (flirting is really all the PUA techniques are. Think pushpull lines and breaking rapport etc. It's just flirting. Good stuff, but doesn't MAKE a girl want you …
/r/seduction12/07/21 09:32 PM
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What’s critical to understand is that your not getting any younger, and game is simply a numbers game. The more you approach…the more likely your going to get laid. The opener doesn’t really matter to be honest, you just have to play it cool and not creep her out. 100%. These people who pretend to know some secret jedi mind control game are all frauds. It's really just about finding a girl who thinks you are hot (numbers game) and not being so weird that she decides not to bother with you ('game…
/r/seduction12/07/21 09:59 AM
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that's the game. Keep going. Game is just not being super weird and capitalizing on the girls who think you are hot It's very unlikely you did anything 'wrong' unless you were spitting when you talk or something lol Keep going
/r/seduction12/07/21 09:58 AM
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Programming is different. I'm not saying coaching in general is a bad thing. But this is human beings! Limitless variable out of your control. Sales is similar. You can't sell a product to someone who really doesn't want it. But a good salesman will better sell a product that someone is at least warm towards. There has to be interest (desire) A bit like getting a job. You could learn interview skills and have good eye contact and be good at selling yourself, but if you didn't make it out of high…
/r/seduction10/07/21 08:19 PM
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It's probably more like 50 - and about 30 of them are hookers lol (see his ex business partner 'Sonny' for text leaks etc)
/r/seduction10/07/21 07:04 PM
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John Anthony has zero game. If yuo've seen his 'product' you'll see that his 'game' is just 'normal guy game' (hey, you're cute. I wanted to meet you. What's you name? What do you do? I'm a DJ. It's my friends Bday tonight. Do you like grey goose vodka? We're having a party tonight. Do you want to come? infield ends) There. I've just taught you everything that he can lol. He gets rejected non stop until he finds a girl who is into him. Same as every other guy lol Gabriel has a little bit of game…
/r/seduction10/07/21 07:02 PM
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Unless you are crazy handsome, and can demonstrate an amazing lifestyle at a glance of your insta profile with brilliant interesting pics and 5k+ followers, the chances of you getting ignored when DM'ing some random hot 18 year old who you've never met in person, are super high. No magic verbals are gonna change that
/r/seduction10/07/21 03:06 PM
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I don't think anyone is disagreeing from what i've read. Obviously attraction comes first. She needs to think you are hot or whatever. And from that point, you just need to be somewhat 'cool' (or at least not uncool) and be somewhat interesting/able to carry a convo/flirt etc.
/r/seduction09/07/21 04:19 PM
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Attraction is important I don’t care how good your game is. If a woman doesn’t find you attractive she won’t fall for your game. If she’s lukewarm, good game can put you over. 100%. Don't believe the marketing. Mystery, ToddV, Coach Kyle, NOBODY can just walk up too any girl and 'seduce' her. If she's not feeling him/not attracted, every single pushpull line and neg and demonstration of confidence and charisma (and whatever else you have in your 'game' arsenal) etc ain't gonna do jack $hit lol G…
/r/seduction09/07/21 07:52 AM
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yep, fairly decent post. It's really quite simple to have good game tbh. Don't be weird, carry a convo and flirt. That's as 'advanced' as one can get and as good as any 'pro PUA' can do. If she's attracted, it will lead too a lay if you do it well. If she's not attracted, move on to the next girl and repeat the process because that interaction won't go anywhere. You can't force sexual attraction
/r/seduction09/07/21 07:36 AM
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Say 'hi', make some conversation about teh environement/festival or whatever, and try to see if she is attracted to you or not. Don't overthink it. You can't 'seduce' whoever you want. Your job is to find out whether she is attracted to you or not (talk and flirt) If she's not attracted (should be fairly obvious) move on to the next girl you spot
/r/seduction08/07/21 08:14 PM
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Damn man, if you thought that Well that's what you've been implying and saying in threads lol Even threads where someone asked how to DM a hot stranger on insta to make her like him! You implied one could do it if he knew what to write. So what would you write? ANd you said the same thing to someone in this thread about 'magic verbals'. You said they were wrong you keep moving the goal posts because you realise you are talking nonsense
/r/seduction07/07/21 06:30 PM
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yes, pre-selection. But I thought you were arguing in favour of special verbals that make a girl super attracted even if she is not remotely attracted.
/r/seduction07/07/21 06:21 PM
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what are some of your best verbal lines to make a girl sexually attracted. Give a few examples. (for example, mysterymethod used ''You and me woudln't get along. We'd always fight and i'd always win'') - that was one of his 'attraction lines' to make a girl wanna bang him if she wasn't at all attracted/thought he was hideous What are some of yours?
/r/seduction07/07/21 05:19 PM
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it's basically flirting. In fact, basically all game is flirting (think negs, pushpull lines, kino, breaking rapport teases, silly cold reads etc) All flirting. A pushpull line would be ''You're kinda cute. Too bad you're not my type'' or something. The problem is that flirting (and game) doesn't MAKE a girl want you sexually. Unfortunately, nothing does (which is why game is a bit disingenuous in regards to the marketing). Game is really about capitalizing on existing attraction. Not creating i…
/r/seduction07/07/21 04:52 PM
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100% this - both points! (physical attraction is a pre-requistite, and yes, socially savvy people can tell very fast as it's in the eyes. They just don't lie)
/r/seduction07/07/21 12:21 PM
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only if she follows you bakc and likes your pics etc after you follow her (thinks you're hot) Otherwise no. Don't DM random hot girls who haven't followed you back etc lol. She's not interested
/r/seduction07/07/21 08:54 AM
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game helps your bang attracted girls Looks get them attracted
/r/seduction05/07/21 01:34 PM
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100%
/r/seduction05/07/21 07:39 AM
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they're right, though. They stopped believing the marking lol Being real, you can't force sexual attraction in a girl with cold reads and negs and self amusement etc. It's just marketing. It's about her thinking you are hot, and then having enough 'game' to not completely mess it up. Infields prove this beautifully (e.g, out of like 10,000 infields, there's basically never ever a girl being converted from hard no to yes. If she's not physically attracted, it's game over)
/r/seduction05/07/21 07:36 AM
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Surprised that so many people are calling BS and saying that a girl would never appraoch I have 2 really good looking guy friends in my social circle. They get approached by girls a TONNE!!! I'm talking like maybe 4-6 times per night, girls will walk up to them say hi, maybe pretend to recognise him as an opener, sometimes open with a compliment etc. I've never seen them get cold approached in the day time, but at night time (such as in the OP) it happenes to them non stop I think too many peopl…
/r/seduction05/07/21 07:31 AM
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that's her plan lol (onlyfans girl)
/r/seduction30/06/21 08:33 AM
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lol
/r/seduction28/06/21 09:49 PM
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agree. 100% troll/fantasist lol
/r/seduction28/06/21 09:00 PM
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do you mean a complete stranger? Some random hot 19 year old who has no idea who you are? Firstly, know that unless you are super handsome with a great profile, your odds are like 1 in 10,000 However, you're best bet is to follow her first. Like 1 pic (2 max). If she hasn't followed you back after a while, forget it. She's not interested. If she has followed you back (and ideally liked 1 of your pics) then reply to one of her stories. If she replies, you can start to build a convo from there
/r/seduction28/06/21 09:33 AM
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I think with experience you get better at working out whether her lack of contribution and stuff is due to simply not being attracted to you and thus not interested in talking to you (in which case just leave. It's over) or whether it's more that maybe she's more of shy and someone who doesn't talk to random guys on the street (this is more common than ever nowadays. People get less and less social (especially with strangers) in general nowadays compared to the olden days) - with them girls its …
/r/seduction27/06/21 07:24 PM
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game helps your bang attracted girls Looks get them attracted
/r/seduction27/06/21 04:40 PM
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If you told Stacey you're into anime and then she walked off with Chad 5 minutes later maybe stop telling Stacey's you're into anime that's not the lesson. The lesson is look like chad lol
/r/askTRP27/06/21 11:07 AM
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everyone knows this lol It might have been 'news' back in the mysterymethod days where everyone was brainwashed into thinking you can make a girl attracted by negging her and 'game' and stuff, but in the real world, we all know that good looks literally ARE attraction. Game is the cherry on top Game is great, but it's really about being more efficient at sleeping with girls who are into you. Not MAKING them into you! Like think about how silly it is to think that by doing pushpull lines and negs…
/r/seduction27/06/21 09:22 AM
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Unfortunately there's no tricks or lines or PUA tips that will MAKE girl sexually attracted to you. Dont believe the marketing. Not to say that it's all useless. I mean, if you have no 'game' and are weird and fail every shit test and are too afraid to escalate etc etc, then you won't get anywhere of course. But think about how silly it is to think that by doing pushpull lines and negs and having good eye contact and all the other stuff people are 'taught' by coaches will make some stunning 19 y…
/r/seduction25/06/21 07:16 PM
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I respect people who cold approach, tbh. It takes balls. And yuo're doing what most guys want to do, but won't. The negativity comes from a few places. Firstly, due to the scammy coaches and stuff selling dreams. We all know you can't 'trick' a girl into being sexually attracted to you. No matter how many negs or pushpull lines you use. So people see them as these fools who are confusing 'skill' with just playing the numbers game and seeing who is attracted. Women know full well how it works and…
/r/seduction25/06/21 05:03 PM
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first thing i'd say is that it's basically the same. IN fact, you have a little bit MORE control than men do. Even with all of the 'techniques' and theory and stuff men are told here and on other 'seduction' places (negs, teases, cold reads, pushpull, self amusement, eye contact, blablabla) it ('game') only actually works when she already thought you were hot lol. (imagine a guy she was totally not attracted too at all, doing that stuff. Teasing and flirting and what-not. At best she'd think he …
/r/seduction25/06/21 04:53 PM
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there are no 'ways',. tbh. Probably just a good looking dude who shoots his shots
/r/seduction25/06/21 09:26 AM
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It's not really about 'seduction' as such. A guy might think he 'seduced' a girl, but all he really done was chat and escalate with a girl who thought he was handsome. You can't seduce a girl who doesn't want to be seduced by you (say, you are not her physical type at all for example) just like you couldn't be 'seduced' by some old, fat woman A girl might think she 'seduced' a guy, but she was actually just his type. He thought she was cute and wanted to have sex with her the second he saw her. …
/r/seduction22/06/21 09:45 PM
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EXACTLY!!!
/r/seduction21/06/21 09:05 AM
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the same thing that makes guys desperately wanna bang the super hot 10/10, 19 year old cheerleader even if she's boring and has nothing else going for her. We still wanna bang her because she's hot! Girls are exactly the same
/r/seduction21/06/21 08:50 AM
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what's the age of consent in your state/country? Luckily here that's perfectly legal (16 is age of consent with no age gap laws) - so i'd go for it! Just don't break the law lol
/r/seduction21/06/21 08:47 AM
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i think the other difference is 'age gap laws' that the US has? Here for example we don't have them. 16 is age of consent. I can be 120 and still bang 16 year olds lol
/r/seduction16/06/21 09:06 AM
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Age of consent is 16 here and we don't have any age gap laws, so you could be 100 and it's still all good! I assume you're in the US? Either way, don't feel bad lol. It's hard nowadays! So many girls who are around 15-16 look and act exactly the same as 19-21 year olds here! The makeup and the way they dress and just the general culture nowadays makes the line very hard to see!
/r/seduction15/06/21 10:16 PM
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exactly. No substance. No meet on the bone. 'Become the man girls want'. Is he saying become good looking and rich? (plastic surgery, gym and somehow getting rich?)
/r/seduction13/06/21 11:57 AM
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Amazing time. Girls didn't really have a 'bitch shield' in general. They didn't have hundreds of thirsty guys DMing them and telling them how hot they were every day. You could pick up some real bargains! (beautiful girls who almost didn't know they were hot and were happy of the attention!). Nowadays, them gilrs are getting DM'd by celebs and athletes lol The Internet was still a novel concept circa 1997, so singles went to bars and coffee shops to meet other humans the authentic way -- by walk…
/r/seduction13/06/21 11:42 AM
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Really basic stuff,normal human interaction! Which ironically is all you will see in most infields. They guy is just having a normal chat! But they try to make it sounds complicated in order to sell you stuff lol (''see there? I asked her how her day was. That's an advanced method called rapport building. Write that down. This allows her to feel comfy blablabalbalbla'' haha. They can make a 2 hour on video on how to say 'hello' and sell it) That's why when people say 'learn game, bro' I always c…
/r/seduction13/06/21 10:23 AM
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If people saw uncut infield for a few days/weeks of their favourite PUA's, their worlds would come tumbling down as they realise it's also a numbers game for their hero's too lol (only simplepickup done this from memory. Streamed himself for his whole session and got nothing but rejections. Some quite harsh lol) Make no mistake. It would be the same for Manson or TylerRSD or Mystery or ToddV, or any other PUA you can think of. You need thick skin. Paul Janka (who is not only a pro PUA but a hand…
/r/seduction10/06/21 08:54 AM
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John Candy must have had his pic on all the teenage girls walls back in the day!
/r/seduction09/06/21 06:05 PM
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There really is no 'method' tbh People need to stop thinking of this like we're talking about welding or something lol. It's flirting with girls. You can't MAKE a girl attracted to you with things you do and say. If there were actually magical lines and techniqes and stuff that worked, the guy who invented it would be way richer than Bill Gates, and the government woudl have to do something as we'd all be out banging any girl we want due to effectively brainwashing them lol We all have access to…
/r/seduction09/06/21 04:22 PM
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Good luck! Remember to take the pressure off yourself - it's simply a numbers game (as long as you're not literally spitting when you talk or completely unable to hold eye contact in which case 'learning game' can help some)
/r/seduction08/06/21 11:09 AM
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You do hear about this stuff all the time, but i'm not sure how true it is. I'm also not sure how much location and culture plays a role For example, it seems in the US, being a barman is some sort of high status job Here In the UK, it's kind of the opposite (I had tonnes of friends get jobs at cocktail bars and stuff thinking it would get them laid becuase they'd been reading posts from American dudes lol. Didn't translate over here) Similar with a bouncer I think - again, I think that's becaus…
/r/seduction07/06/21 09:01 AM
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You've found the truth. Everyone does in the end. Takes some people longer than others The word 'seduction' gives the wrong impression and it implies you can influence girls into being sexually attracted to you and MAKE them wanna sleep with you even if they have zero physical attraction to you As you rightly say, it's just marketing Nobody has anything close to that skill - ask yourself why these PUA coaches who know all the theory inside out have to fake infields or approach a tonne of girls t…
/r/seduction06/06/21 08:54 AM
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Good that you've realised they're all scam artists - shows you have some awareness lol. That's a positive The only 'system' is making yourself as good looking as possible (gym, fashion etc) and then playing the NUMBERS GAME. Approach girls, say 'hi', ask about them and flirt and see if they are interested or not. That's all anyone can 'teach' you. And now i've just told you, you don't need anyone else too lol This really isn't a 'skill'(once you are past the point of being able to appear normal …
/r/seduction05/06/21 06:33 PM
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no dating coach has some secret, powerful line or method. They teach you stuff like 'hold good eye contact'', ''ask questions'', ''tease her'' etc. Makes me cringe that people pay them thousands for that 'info' (that 99% of 15 year old kids already know lol) as if it will make a girl who isn't into you want to bang you lmao And they get rejected just as much as the next guy (i.e LOTS!) It's a numbers game. Just approach, say 'hi', and try your luck
/r/seduction05/06/21 08:57 AM
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Similar to the other guy - I'm not saying don't look into it, but don't pay any money for it! Why? 1/ it can all be found for free 2/ They're basically con artists, robbing vulnerable people of their money. (5k 'bootcamp' here, 2k course there etc )Cherry picking infields, using actresses etc 3/ There's no magic they can teach you that you likely don't already know. Approach, say hi, show some interest but not too much. Tease. Touch. Use humor blablalba. Basically stuff people who have never hea…
/r/seduction04/06/21 03:26 PM
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it's basically the same, tbh Just that you might get a slightly more (Errr...why are you talking to me i don't know you!) reaction in a coffee shop than in a bar Having said that, you can also get them same reactions in bars from countries where girls think it's really weird to be approached (UK for example)
/r/seduction01/06/21 01:07 PM
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There are books, but they will only tell you stuff you (and every other guy) already know; hold eye contact, say 'hi', ask her questions, ask for her number etc It's simply a matter of approaching in numbers until you find a girl who thinks you're hot (and is down for talking/hooking up with strangers), at which point, it will all basically take care of itself Don't overthink it
/r/seduction01/06/21 12:58 PM
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it's fine. If she's interested it will 'work' very well. If he's not her type, it will of course 'fail' (as will anything else)
/r/seduction31/05/21 07:37 PM
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Wow. Real talk for once! Good post It really is a numbers game. Even just from watching enough infeilds from 'pros' should confirm this. Look at their hit rate. (not to mention morst of them fake infields lol). Look at the reactions of the girls who they end up pulling at the open. Look at how often the can 'flip' a girl from 'no' to 'hell yes!!' using their 'game'. All the answers are there This stuff is barely a skill (unless you think holding eye contact is a skill) It's about approaching eno…
/r/seduction31/05/21 01:16 PM
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approach girls, try to strike up a convo, and make it clear that you don't just want to be their friend There's no magic secret techniques that will force attraction in a girl, so in a sense, there's really nothing to 'learn' (unless you are one of them guys who are completely unsocialised and who need to 'learn' things like how to hold eye contact etc, in which case there are some books out there)
/r/seduction30/05/21 06:41 PM
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ditto
/r/seduction30/05/21 04:21 PM
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Oh, she knew. Make no mistake For whatever reason, she's playing games. And there's a few possibilities as to why she's playing games, although none of them are great for you, tbh Throw a hail mary to confirm whether she's interested/not interested, and then either escalate or move on to the next girl
/r/seduction30/05/21 04:21 PM
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you can't negotiate attraction, i'm afraid. If you're not her type, your lines and tricks will fall flat
/r/seduction30/05/21 02:37 PM
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I think papi is trying to be helpful and nothing against him, but I kind of agree with you, to be honest. I often find so much of the advice to be a bit cringy and weird on here. I think it's because people are now actively trying to avoid to have a 'normal' conversation as they are taught that it's boring ('don't run interview mode bro!!') and so they avoid asking her name/what she does etc and instead try to do other things (cold reads, forced 'teases' and pushpull lines and stuff) because the…
/r/seduction30/05/21 12:59 PM
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it’s not “created” by you it’s either there or it isn’t. exactly.
/r/askTRP26/05/21 09:48 PM
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there's a few ways to answer that. Yes, i'm sure Bill gates is handsome in SOME womens eyes. Not all girls have identical tastes as to what makes a guy handsome.(although being conventionally handsome is obviously a thing! Many gilrs have 'lust at first sight' over the same handsome men) - I'm not handsome and i've banged some hot girls. (thanks to cold approach and increasing my odds of finding the girls who are into me) However, I suspect you are implying his money is making girls wet/attracte…
/r/seduction26/05/21 08:32 PM
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looks are just a pre-requisisite for sexual attraction. If you are super weird and stuff, she'll just find another handsome dude but who's less work to talk too and doesn't creep her out lol
/r/seduction26/05/21 07:06 PM
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'attraction can't be negotiated'
/r/askTRP25/05/21 09:42 PM
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Game is turning no’s into yes not possible, lol. That's just marketing nonsense. You can't force sexual attraction. If you are her type, basically everything 'works'. And if you are not, all the negs and pushpull and NLP (game) you can throw at her won't help at all lol
/r/askTRP25/05/21 08:51 AM
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but in my experience, anything you say will work if you are her type, and anything you say will not work if you ain't her type. bingo!!! I'm gald more and more people are seeing through the marketing BS and get how this works nowadays, compared to a while back when everyone was so damn naive lol But yes, there's nothing at all wrong with 'interview mode' (ps - julien RSD done it non stop!). If anything, NOT asking the 'normal' questions will make you look odd! Back in the day i'd see some oof th…
/r/seduction25/05/21 07:48 AM
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she fancied me and I fancied her, that’s why it worked, not the line itself. Bingo! If you watch enough infields or make enough approaches, you'll see that all successes and rejections can be easily explained in this way
/r/seduction24/05/21 09:27 PM
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it's not really about 'right' or 'wrong'. It's whether she thinks you're attractive/good looking. Hence it's really all just a numbers game
/r/seduction24/05/21 01:00 PM
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She swims in your blood now...
/r/seduction18/05/21 07:39 AM
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it's more that there came a point where people realised the tactics didn't actually work lol (you don't see people anymore saying 'She's not attracted? neg her or tell her a DHV story or run strawberry fields on her!! That will make her want you'' like the nonsense you heard in the old days where these PUA's were scamming the naive lol) People know now that it was all marketing It naturally moved on to more 'inner game' with the idea being you just need to do what you can in terms of inner game …
/r/seduction10/05/21 11:39 AM
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wait...Are you saying the community has been lied too about 'girls don't care about looks' and that 'girls are different to guys and Looks mean nothing as girls aren't visual!' etc?? Noooooo!! lol
/r/seduction08/05/21 06:37 PM
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there's nothing to learn Just show your intent (tell her she's cute or whatever) If she's attracted, it'll be clear. Then escalate on her. Ask her out, touch her more etc If she's not attracted, you can't make her. Move on to the next girl edit: if you want a book, I guess models or something is fine, but you shoudnt' really need a book tbh
/r/seduction08/05/21 06:02 PM
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well there isn't much point in trying to keep the convo going if, as you say, she's not interested/attracted (and either she has a bf or she's lying about having one. Same thing in the end lol) SO just be like ''Oh! Fair enough'' and wish her a nice day/night and move on to the next
/r/seduction03/05/21 05:33 PM
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you'll learn haha
/r/seduction29/04/21 07:35 AM
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you're describing direct game, basically. And it's fine. In fact, nowadays it seems to have taken over from indirect game in the community. Truth is, it's kind of irrelevant! (that's why all the 'pros' could never agree about anything lol) - go direct. Go indirect. Doesn't matter. All that matters is you approach and shoot your shot. The actual result is out of your hands.
/r/seduction26/04/21 05:53 PM
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You're quote doesn't prove anything lol. Social skills can of course be taught. I never said otherwise. But that ain't gonna help you if you're not her physical type/she's not attracted. Damn you're dense! I've banged a lot more girls than you, and having seen what you look like, the quality is of a much higher standard than you could get too, numb-nuts ;)
/r/seduction26/04/21 04:25 PM
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Otherwise, I can't see why you would argue that a person cannot learn social skills I never argued that. You're clueless lol
/r/seduction26/04/21 02:34 PM
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Why do you think the bullshit that you just said that got upvoted Because only a moron would think otherwise lol. Of course it got upvoted People aren't buying the PUA marketing from 2002 anymore ''The hot 19 year old thinks you're too ugly for her? And she doens't date guys over 60? No worries!! Girls don't care about looks or anytihng like that! Just hit her with the following negs and pushpull lines, bro!' lol
/r/seduction26/04/21 01:17 PM
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Just super basic stuff. That's all that's necessary. After the getting to know you questions and stuff, they might ask her to dance. Sometimes they'll verbally just state their intent ('you're cute') or whatever. And from that point (now that she knows SHE won't get rejected) everything tends to take care of itself. Mutual escalation etc. I used to over-complicate it all myself after redaing tonnes of PUA books etc, but it's all basicalyl irrelevant/marketing. If she's actually attracted, there'…
/r/seduction26/04/21 01:11 PM
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YOU'RE wrong lol
/r/seduction26/04/21 01:02 PM
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not true. Unless you are ridiculously autistic or you're spitting when you talk or whatever, then you just need to be somewhat normal and escalate. No negs and disqualificaiton and teasing qualification and humour blablabla required. I see it all the time with good looking friends who don't have 'game' and still crush it lol
/r/seduction26/04/21 11:55 AM
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true. No 'game' can force attraction in a girl. (and most 'game' is actually flirting when you break it down. e.g negs, and push-pull, and 'teasing' etc etc etc) It's why all of these 'pro PUA's have to play extreme numbers game and get rejected just as much as the next guy. (but they end up getting laid because they approach enough to increase their odds of finding a girl who is attracted to him)
/r/seduction26/04/21 10:19 AM
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Also, anyone knows why with some people the conversation can just "Flow" and with others not? There are some people that I am telling myself (how the hell did I manage to make to the converstaion see almost flawless?). It just happens and I pray that I'll be able to do it the next interaction I have. Any ideas? insights? I remember feeling like this. But I think you've kind of answered your own question. You are fine with some people and not others. I'd suggest that you need to realise that this…
/r/seduction22/04/21 07:41 AM
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This is terrible advice. In reality, your confidence, tonality, and emotional state are far more important than how "ugly" or "handsome" you are. lol
/r/seduction21/04/21 10:52 AM
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probably just faster than typing 'interaction' lol
/r/seduction20/04/21 12:04 PM
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90% of girls would be neutral to you no matter how hot you are lol. wtf you talking about. If you are really handsome, then 90% of girls would be attracted to you. Not 'neutral' lol. And if ugly, 90% would never be sexually interetsed in you (again, not 'neutrual') Doesn't matter how charming you are if she's not remotely physically attracted to you, i'm afraid. Not how it works. (only in PUA marketing books haha) - move on too a different girl. Find one who's attracted
/r/seduction20/04/21 07:37 AM
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girls pick guys based on looks. Just like us men do. Good looking guys get approached by good looking girls. Especially at night in bars etc.
/r/seduction20/04/21 07:25 AM
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Pretty much You can't negotiate attraction. Game isnt magically making a girl attracted to you (that's just marketing. You really think you can make a girl who thinks you're really ugly desperately wanna rip your clothes off because you negged her or made her laugh or had good eye contact or whatever school of thought your particular game guru is from?!! haha) It's about finding the girls that are receptive, and then flirting/escalating.
/r/seduction19/04/21 06:22 PM
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don't worry about it I can tell you with about 99% certain that if you were saying different sentences, it wouldn't have ended any better. It's a numbers game. Game isn't black magic lol
/r/seduction19/04/21 05:23 PM
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Of course. Although honestly, (almost) everyone knows this nowadays The community has moved on from the mysterymethod days where the pua marketing was all about MAKING a girl attracted who isn't (with negs etc lol) People aren't quite as gullible nowadays (thanks to youtube etc) and know that 'game' is really just about being able to capitalise on existing attraction (flirting, escalating etc which I guess is why Mark Manson is so popular) Not in magically 'creating' attraction It's the same bot…
/r/seduction15/04/21 09:50 PM
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yep. Back in the day it was different. Nowadays, any hot 18 year old can earn as much as a surgeon by using onlyfans and stuff! The really don't care what you do in general. It's all about attraction. If you're her type and you work at a gas station or are unemployed, you'll still get to hook up with her. If yuo're not her type, being a stockbroker isn't gonna help you at ALL!
/r/seduction11/04/21 10:08 AM
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What do you expect though lol There's no secret powerful seduction lines/methods etc. Game is stuff that everyone knows (as you say) with the exception of people who haven't been socialised or wahtever (who need to be taught to hold eye contact etc)
/r/seduction11/04/21 10:05 AM
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Agree understanding that there really is nothing you can do and it's basically completely out of your hands whether she is attracted to you, is, ironically, the best thing that could happen to the industry lol (at least we're getting there with mark manson etc taking over from the days of hardcore 'seduction' marketing like mysterymethod etc) So yes, take your shot! Open that pretty girl. If she's not into it (which should be obvious very fast) move on! No big deal
/r/seduction10/04/21 10:51 PM
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'seduce' isn't really a thing, i'm afraid. (Like, real life isn't like the old movies where the 60 year old grotesque man 'seduces' the hot teenage maiden who is initially repulsed by him with his poetry etc lol) It's just a numbers game until you find a girl who is attracted to you, at which point you just need to not be so socially 'off' that she decides to go with a different guy who she considers hot instead! However, i'll chip in. Makes sense to go with my first ever cold approach lay, whic…
/r/seduction10/04/21 06:30 PM
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i get that. I guess i kind of feel the sub should be r/beingnormal as opposed to r/seduction lol.
/r/seduction10/04/21 06:17 PM
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it's basically 'tell hot gilrs that they're hot if that's what you think. Be honest and 'vulnerable'. If she's not interested, move on''
/r/seduction08/04/21 09:19 AM
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100% People in this thread are reverting to the mysterymethod marketing of 2002 lol. "No arms or legs? 100 years old? No teeth? BUt you still wanna bang hot 18 year old cheerleaders? NO problem!! Learn negs and pushpull, bro!! Girls don't care about looks!! :)"
/r/seduction08/04/21 09:03 AM
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it's mainly the culture of talking to strangers is VERY different. I've never really been ignored or shoed away or found myself talking too a brickwall whenever i've gamed in the US. In the UK, unless you stumble across an unusually sociable girl who also thinks you're handsome, what I described above is almost a certainty! haha
/r/seduction08/04/21 08:58 AM
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ha. Maybe not. I remember losing my virginity and I smashed the girl for about 40 mins! She assumed I was some sort of experienced manwhore, when I fact I was simply drunk and had also taken some anxiety type pills, and the combination meant it took me ages to cum lol
/r/seduction07/04/21 08:26 AM
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that's the same for all 'seduction', though Everything only 'works' when she's attracted to you. A guy negging a girl who thinks he's handsome will get her. His friend who she thinks is ugly will still get rejected despite his negs for example One can't seduce someone who doesn't want to be seduced by you It's just about finding the girls who are receptive to you and from there it's really fairly easy
/r/seduction06/04/21 10:51 AM
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because very hot girls are literally being DM'd by celebs and male models and stuff lol. So you kind of feel hopeless i comparison
/r/seduction05/04/21 10:49 AM
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just learn not to cum super fast and you are now as good as anybody else lol
/r/seduction05/04/21 10:47 AM
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there's just not much to say. You can't make your cock spin around inside her doing helicopters. It goes in and out. Basically everyone fucks similar. What makes a guy 'good' is having a decent sized cock, and not busting in 1 minute! Technique wise, there's nothing too it. There's small things though that can help, like what is mentioned in 'sex god' book. Things like eye contact and grabbing her her and neck and all that stuff. But every guy thinks they're amazing in bed, tbh. But it's all mac…
/r/seduction04/04/21 12:05 AM
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IF she is willing to let you in the hookup zone lol.
/r/seduction29/03/21 09:29 PM
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yes. 'Game' is just the icing on the cake. It helps you to land the girls who are attracted to how you look. One can't force/manipulate/trick/game a girl into being sexually attracted
/r/seduction27/03/21 09:12 PM
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Ross Jeffries lol
/r/seduction27/03/21 06:40 PM
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nowadays, they're mainly just getting hit up by Saudi billionnaires offering them 50k to fly them over and do stuff to them lol. Or young sportsman and youtubers etc. They 'fall' for all kinds of guys, though. Depends on what their type is (some might want ripped, tall 'loveIsland' looking guys, someone might just want a guy who can provide her a ridiculous lifestyle of nonstop holidays and $3000 handbags, and some might like a handsome nerdy guy in glasses who's funny etc). You get them by appr…
/r/seduction27/03/21 01:24 PM
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Sometimes the simplest answer is the best lol. I remember overthinking this shit too. Girls clearly seemed somewhat attracted, but I wasn't sure how to 'make the move'. There are more 'gamey' methods you can do, but at the end of the day, it's irrelevant. Everything will 'work' if she's attracted to you (and nothing will if she's not). So, i suggest you keep this SUPER simple. You say you don't know how to get them back to your place? Ask them!! Saying 'Lets' go back to my place in a minute. I w…
/r/seduction27/03/21 01:19 PM
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Because there is a huge variable/pre-requisite. E.g - she needs to be physically attracted to you. Same as you wouldn't wanna bang a girl who you weren't attracted too. You can do everything perfectly (according to whoevers 'method' you are using) - you could open confidently, and say funny stuff, get some emotional convo going, self amuse, coldread, tease her, touch her, use pushpull blablabla and still have zero chance of getting her naked lol because you're just not her type. You can't negoti…
/r/seduction27/03/21 10:22 AM
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I don't get why this is ever a surprise to people. I'm afraid you can't cheat nature with this 'game' stuff that 'coaches' market to men. Many have been exposed before him. And many more will. Nobody has some secret to 'seduce' girls. It's not so much a skill as a numbers game (the 'skill' side of it is very low. Just flirt/show some intent! You are now as 'good' as anyone else, but your results will depend on how hot she thinks you are). Same as a girl can't game you into wanting to bang her if…
/r/seduction26/03/21 06:38 PM
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he does have good game. Agreed. But that game just helps him seal the deal with girls that are attracted to him. It's doesn't convert any girls from 'no!! Ewww!!' to 'please fuck me!!' (as we see in his rejection infields) Game is about finding the girls who are attracted to you, and not ruining it from being super weird and boring etc to the point she'll decide to roll the dice and hope an equally hot guy will approach her instead who isn't so weird and boring (e.g has game)
/r/seduction25/03/21 11:53 PM
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i think people overthink it, because they put too much faith into the words they say. They believe that it's some sort of test and that there are magical lines and theories that will force attraction in a girl. It's just marketing. Accept that a lot of girls aren't gonna really give you the time of day from a cold approach. That's just life unless you are genetically gifted! (sounds like you're half way thre if you're tall with green eyes and a chiseled jawline. Try to lose some weight) See if y…
/r/seduction25/03/21 11:51 PM
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he also has videos where girls literally tell him he's ugly and gets rejected. (vadeem from honest signals) It's a numbers game. For everyone. Even if he isn't especially conventionally handsome, he will still find girls who are attracted to him if he approaches enough girls (not all girls have identical tastes, luckily! Although a conventionally handsome tall guy with a chiseled jaw and green eyes or whatever will blow him out the water lol). PUA's approach a shit tonne of girls (it's their job…
/r/seduction25/03/21 10:33 AM
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“The Game” and “The Mystery Method” will get you laid with hot bimbos They wish!! If she's not physically attracted, a hot bimbo will never sleep with you despite 'negging' her and using a DHV story lol. Basically every guy she meets wants to bang the hot young bimbo lol. ANd she picks the best looking dude
/r/seduction25/03/21 09:13 AM
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it's actually not a bad post Once you've been in the game for a while and realise all the stuff in the books is 99% marketing/make belief, you realise that 'game' is actually just 'numbers game'. It's about fInding the girls who are attracted to you. Not magically MAKING them attracted. So even though i wouldn't necessarily advise trying to mess up, it's also true that if she's attracted, basically anything you say will 'work'. (And if you're not her type, nothing will) and in that respect, anyt…
/r/seduction25/03/21 09:08 AM
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no lol
/r/seduction24/03/21 09:42 AM
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ask one of your friends to ask one of her friends if she thinks you're handsome/is into you or not. If the answer is 'yes', then ask her out. Otherwise, move on (that's pretty much how my friends go laid back in the day with school girls lol)
/r/seduction23/03/21 10:49 AM
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When I first joined this I was worried it would be a bunch of PUA guys talking about lying and using tricks to try to get every girl. It kind of used to be. And then people realised that it was all marketing and that you can't talk your way into making a girl sexually attracted to you lol. So the emphasis became about being someone who she would be attracted too (hit the gym/get as good looking as possible, groom/money etc. Self improvement, basically) - You can't 'game' a girl from 'no' to 'yes…
/r/seduction23/03/21 10:45 AM
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never seen that in all my time. Even the 'professionals' who post infields and coach people only actually bang the 'yes girls' if you look closely. Even the coaches can't convert a 'no!' into a 'yes'. It's the same as a a big ugly fat girl you aren't attracted too. Nothing she can say will make you desperately wanna rip her clothes off.
/r/seduction21/03/21 10:22 AM
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you can take it even further. It's not even 'the way that you do it'. However you do 'it' will be fine IF she is attracted to you (which as the OP rightly implies is the part that unfortunately is out of your hands)
/r/seduction18/03/21 12:12 PM
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there is no 'method'. That's why every PUA book you read will 100% contradict the next (think mysterymethod vs mode1 for exmple lol) It's about her attraction mainly. Her mind is made up before you said a word
/r/seduction17/03/21 08:39 AM
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Have they at least followed you back and maybe liked your pics and stuff? If so, go for it Just DM'ing completely random hot girls who have showed zero interest is obviously only gonna work if you are handsome as fuk and have an amazing insta with thousands of interactive followers etc
/r/seduction16/03/21 01:09 PM
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yeah, but she's not gonna get a police caution for making an unwanted advance like him lol
/r/seduction16/03/21 08:25 AM
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well it doesn't have to be gamey. Telling her that you think she's cute if flirting. That's not 'hard'. You don't have to memorize pushpull lines and concepts and stuff, because none of this stuff is magic. Like, it won't 'work' if she's not attracted to you! No 'game' will. Don't overthink it. It's a number game
/r/seduction15/03/21 10:05 PM
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flirting and slowly getting more and more physical with your touch.
/r/seduction15/03/21 05:17 PM
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what you say doesn't matter. Most dating coaches even agree with this which makes it funny that tey say you have to 'learn' all of this nonsense lol. Wait for IOI's, approach, chat (say what you want), escalate. That's it. If you insist on approaching every hot girl and not waiting for IOI's, that's fine too, but unless you are hella handsome, expect a hella low hit rate (which could dent your ego)
/r/seduction15/03/21 11:06 AM
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Had plenty more returns in Eastern Europe incidentally, where women appreciate well calibrated approaching whilst still being direct. I got lucky 4 nights in a row in Hungary lol To be fair, the "Addy A Game" character you're referring to was woefully calibrated in his approaches, though of course doesn't deserve prison time. Honestly, I didn't see it that way. It was hard to find his actual infields even when he had his channel, but I did see some and they seemed no different to the other Londo…
/r/seduction14/03/21 02:07 PM
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It's been largely over for a few years, tbh (unless you approach foreign girls who are more social, which is why UK daygamers only ever get lucky in central London when they hit on a girl who is travelling lol. Local girls just insta-reject) It started a few years back. Remember that Scottish daygamer who actually got sent to prison!!? I read many news reports, and I struggle to find anything actually illegal that he done! The papers get bringing up the fact he was in his 30's and approaching 16…
/r/seduction14/03/21 12:23 PM
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money only matters to older women and gold diggers. For young hot girls, It's not about money or game or whatever. It's about attraction. Does she look at you and think you're hot. Of course you can bang a girl if you are a millionnaire and she knows you might buy her a car or somEthing, but that's really no different from just buying a hooker.
/r/seduction13/03/21 08:07 PM
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well there's nothing to 'learn' tbh. That's why. 'Game' is basically being normal. (normal people use humour and talk to girls and flirt if they like her etc) So the only people who need to 'learn' it are very rare, and the same people who need to 'learn' to hold eye contact etc. Everyone else already knows all there is to know in 'PUA books', and it's simply about approaching girls and seeing which ones find you hot (numbers game) - Not really 'skill' since you can't force attraction no matter …
/r/seduction13/03/21 10:42 AM
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'dating expert'/scammer lol
/r/seduction09/03/21 10:11 PM
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Even if it works for someone else, it may not work for you because you're in a different country, have different personality, looks, circumstances, etc. This is the important bit. I can say that everything works and nothing works. What is actually important is, is she attracted to you. Does she think you're hot. If that's the case, then anything (within reason) will work. If she's not, then nothing will work. Same as how there's nothing an ugly girl can say to you to make you desperately wanna r…
/r/seduction05/03/21 09:45 PM
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negging hot girls if you're not also hot is suicide lol (especially if you do it before you have lots of rapport. But just walking up too a hot girl and negging off the bat like mystery advised will just lead to her making you looks super foolish lol)
/r/seduction04/03/21 08:02 PM
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He remarked how much weirder people were about talking to strangers here in the US than in Canada which was interesting. ha! You wanna try the UK and see what we have to put up with!! YOu don't know how lucky you are lol
/r/seduction04/03/21 12:55 PM
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it's not about being 'good' or 'bad', tbh. No matter how much theory you know, or how much you neg and self amuse and pushpull and show confidence too a hot girl, if you're not her type (she's not physically attracted) it's game over.
/r/seduction04/03/21 08:43 AM
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Some very good points in your post. I've been in the game for quite a few years too and have read all the books, practiced all the various models (I owned every course you can think of), banged a decent number of girls from cold approach, and was going to write a post detailing my experiences (at some point) that shared some of the conclusions you have although I wasn't sure seddit was ready for it and expected it to be deleted by mods or just heavily downvoted, so interested your hasn't been Ye…
/r/seduction04/03/21 08:41 AM
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That's what PUA coaches tell you lol. Women are at LEAST as visual as men when it comes too attraction. Hanging out/working with young girls and over-hearing their conversations will teach you this very quickly lol
/r/seduction04/03/21 08:34 AM
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Yep. Game is about helping you to bang the girls who are attracted to you. Make you less likely to mess up and lead to sex smoother and faster. It isn't some black magic where you can pick and choose who you bang lol.
/r/seduction01/03/21 11:14 PM
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Thing is, if a girl isn't interested in you, no amount of 'learning' is going to help. If you're not her type/she's not attracted, then that's it. Game over. Move on to the next girl
/r/seduction01/03/21 08:56 PM
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lol I know
/r/askTRP01/03/21 10:51 AM
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can't answer for the other dude, but I piarated his first course years ago when it came out. His 'method' was to walk up to girls, say hi, tell her she's cute, tell them it's his friends birthday, ask how tall she is and then tell her he's 6ft 4 and that he's a DJ. Ask if she likes grey goose vodka, and then invite her to his 'after party' where she can drink it. Pretty much every infield That's it. Now, what about that is different to what any other guy who has never heard of game would do? How…
/r/seduction28/02/21 09:44 AM
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more like 13-14 nowadays lol
/r/askTRP28/02/21 09:31 AM
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lol, exactly this. It's so amazing that people fell so hard for teh PUA stuff. ''Women don't care about looks!'' - errr...have you never lived with women? Why do they have Henry Calvill calendar and not Danny devito? Why they always talk about handsome guys? Why they hit up handsome guys on insta? etc. It's like people trying to tell you 'Girls don't care about how food tastes' or something, and people actually believing it lol. Trying to convince people 'She's not into you? Just neg her or self…
/r/seduction28/02/21 09:30 AM
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Looks Do matter, it’s just that you will be suprisied at the women who think your hot. Exactly this! I'm not gonna sugar coat it and tell you looks don't matter. That's just not true. That's as crazy as someone trying ot convince me that the earth is flat. If you have sisters and female friends, you'll know that looks are super super important. They basically ARE attraction. Women are just as visual as we are However, what people always seem to forget is that different girls have different physi…
/r/seduction27/02/21 08:38 PM
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it's not really a 'skill', tbh. Everything you red in a PUA books are things that all normal people were doing since they were kids. It only seems like a 'skill' if someone is maybe massivley autistic and needs to 'learn' to hold eye contact etc. You can't 'game' a girl into being attracted. Even girls will tell you that that's basically decided as soon as she looks at you.
/r/seduction27/02/21 08:35 PM
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everything works and nothing works. That's why all these coaches disagree. What matters it, are you her type. It's a numbers game.
/r/seduction27/02/21 08:33 PM
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everyone knows he's a scam. I worry about the people who have seen his vids and his 'infields' and STILL pay him money. Them people can't be saved.
/r/seduction26/02/21 09:20 AM
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you being serious?? Unattractive girls can clean up online. Ugly men will never even get a match lol
/r/seduction25/02/21 08:25 PM
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ha. I've actually retained pretty much all of my friends from when I was in school despite being well in my 20's now. Was seeing many of them every week pre covid. Add other friends i've picked up along the way through various jobs etc. But it's not like I see them all all of the time now of course. Still consider then 'friends' though, but yeah, only like 2-3% of them are living the lives that I mentioned. It certainly isn't normal. Don't want people thinking every other guy out there is living…
/r/seduction25/02/21 08:09 PM
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I think girls only start to care about your job or income when they hit early 30’s and feel their biological clock ticking and need to find a partner to settle down with quickly. yes. I've noticed the same. Having a sick job and lots of money etc seems to be a much bigger positive if you're trying to bang milfs or just girls over 30. It doesn't seem to even be on young girls radars here (UK) - I was once told it's different in the US, but I can't confirm that
/r/seduction25/02/21 07:07 PM
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if it makes you feel better, they're kind of outliers. I have maybe 300 male friends, and only a handful have lives like that. Just good looking dudes who work as barmen or in a hostel or hotel restaurant etc and meet tonnes of young girls.
/r/seduction25/02/21 06:55 PM
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Trust me, most girls will pick a fit bartender with a fun lifestyle over an aspie lawyer who spends most his time working and stuck in his head any day. True. I think the advice is good but at the same time, isn't black and white, as with most things. The guys i've known who have crushed it the most with girls are just good looking guys with fairly crap jobs, but where they tend to meet girls (customers or collegues). They bang all the cute girls they work with, bang some customers, and then get…
/r/seduction25/02/21 01:32 PM
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lol. She couldn't have made it clearer that she wasn't into him sexually. You've read too much mysterymethod; ) ''Just neg her bro. THen she'll wanna bang you!!' haha
/r/seduction21/02/21 06:47 PM
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lol no. He just wasn't her type. Not to worry. 'Next!'
/r/seduction21/02/21 06:46 PM
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It's true that Owen wasn't that good looking - although he got rejected a tonne. Admitted it himself. He basically got laid due to numbers game. Approach enough girls, and even if you aren't handsome, you'll luck out at some point and bang a girl way out of your league. Hell, i've done it a good few times too!!! haha Which is actually the situation for all PUA's (and all people). Not many like too admit it. It's so simple. One doesn't need to 'learn' anything. Approach girlss. Say 'hi'. You shou…
/r/seduction17/02/21 11:26 AM
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cool. I know many of them don't go though (I double checked using a a proxy server. They get insta-deleted on this sub)
/r/seduction16/02/21 08:27 AM
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I think i'm shadowbanned on this forum so you may or may nor see this lol (they seem to show only a small %age of my posts) But yeah, you make a good point. Just meeting girls can really be tough nowadays. Social circle wise, once you are out of college or whatever, unless you happen to work with tonnes of girls, it's typical to basically not really be around any! People often advise going the hobbies route, which often means forcing yourself into 'hobbies' you aren't even interested in in order…
/r/seduction15/02/21 11:58 PM
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can't learn from failures. This isn't a test. You just weren't her type
/r/seduction15/02/21 06:00 PM
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she'd probably just need to be somewhat attracted and intrigued
/r/seduction15/02/21 02:34 PM
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good stuff. All game is is shooting your shot. Don't overthink it. Good luck with the next one!
/r/seduction11/02/21 12:57 PM
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it's actually one of the things that gets guys in such a twist. They think they are gonna learn some magic, secret, powerful jedi mind trick verbals to force attraction in girls who aren't initially attracted to you (doesn't exist of course), and end up paying people money to 'learn' how to talk like how any other normal guy would talk! (normal people ask questions, make eye contact, make comments and observations and 'tease' etc) Puts 'people needlessly in their heads' There simply isn't anythi…
/r/seduction10/02/21 10:20 AM
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this post from quite a while back kind of answers it: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ehxbk4/what_happened_to_this_place_where_are_the_field/fcmohmj/
/r/seduction08/02/21 11:16 PM
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We either like you or not. We’ll know about the physical aspect within seconds of looking at you. agree. But it's the same for women. They know within a second of looking at you if they are attracted or not.
/r/seduction08/02/21 02:48 PM
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you've been foooed by the marketing :( https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/lf5mkf/this_entire_subreddit_seems_to_be_about_seducing/gmkwd8u/
/r/seduction08/02/21 02:30 PM
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that's some of the most illogical thinking i've seen in quite some time! Every heard of demand?
/r/seduction08/02/21 09:25 AM
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lol
/r/seduction08/02/21 08:38 AM
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it's exactly the same the other way around e,g - IF they are physically attracted to you, you flirt. And then sex happens.
/r/seduction08/02/21 08:38 AM
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I would say the reason the sub doesn’t pertain to men is mainly because there really is no technique or game to getting guys. They really either like you or they don’t. it's actually EXACTLY the same the other way around though lol
/r/seduction08/02/21 08:37 AM
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the answer is basically a mixture of lower inhibitions (having the balls to make a move) and propinquity (how often are you around girls, in a position to meet girls who you are interested in etc) The 'skill' element is basicalyl inconsequential. I know 'PUA's' with massive egos who want to believe they have this magic gift don't like hearing it, but it is what it is (this is why all pua coaches and writers disagree about it all so much! It's basically irrelevant!). She is either into you or she…
/r/seduction07/02/21 09:08 AM
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you haven't really provided any context, but if you're talking about random hot girls who you don't know IRL, then, if they haven't followed you back and maybe liked some of your pics etc, then it's pointless. She's not into you
/r/seduction05/02/21 12:48 PM
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Don't worry about trying to think of witty comebacks. She's either attracted to you or she's not. If she's not, the comeback won't help. If she is, then basically anything you say is fine
/r/seduction03/02/21 11:25 AM
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Basically, this I think they were legit, but what really is 'legit' I mean, they didn't have any special method to get girls attracted. But no PUA does. Not rsd, not todd, not mystery etc etc etc. Because That doesn't actually exist lol. (that's the marketing element) They used the same 'method' as all PUA's - That is 'NUMBERS GAME!' lol. Approach enough girls, and you'll probably find one who likes how you look/is into you/is attracted etc. Everyone can look like they have some sort of mystical…
/r/seduction03/02/21 11:15 AM
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Have fun! Nothing to be ashamed of at all. I hope she's young and hot!
/r/seduction31/01/21 08:34 PM
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just try to get her engaged in the convo should be the goal, tbh. What actually happens is largely out of your control (at every level). With the ones who seem receptive, try to get their number. If she really seems to be into you, try to go on an instant date
/r/seduction31/01/21 03:14 PM
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It's just the hot seat at home, right? I bought it when it first came out in a little 'groupbuy' thing I found. It's OK. With experience I know now that lots of this PUA/Game stuff is just marketing (you really can't 'game' your way into a girls pants if she's just not into you no matter how good you are!) but a far as programs go, I like it. I wouldn't spend 300 on it though. Or any other course for that matter. There's never gonna be anything earth shattering in any course. There's nothing new…
/r/seduction31/01/21 11:57 AM
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PUA is a meme. Trust me. I've field tested it all. Everything 'works' and nothing 'works' - it all depends on whether she is attracted to you. That's why all PUA's disagree about literally everything lol. They're just not smart enough to realise why!
/r/seduction31/01/21 11:42 AM
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how can someone not know how to fuck lol. It's a dick. It goes in and out. Can't make it do helicopters inside of her or some shit haha. I love how every guy i've ever met thinks he's the best at sex in the world when everyone is just doing the same shit lol
/r/seduction30/01/21 10:38 AM
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it doesn't mean you 'failed' though tbh. Well it does in a way, but it's completely out of your control. If she's not attracted to you, then that it's. Game over. Same as you might not be attracted to short fat girls or whatever. I know what you mean about the 'keep trying' response though lol
/r/seduction30/01/21 09:18 AM
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There's really not lol. Trust me. No more than an ugly girl can neg you and self amuse and blablabla and then suddenly you wanna bang her lmao
/r/seduction30/01/21 09:14 AM
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his 'mistake' was that she wasn't physically attracted to him lol. You can't force attraction with 'game' i'm afraid. It's a meme
/r/seduction29/01/21 08:59 AM
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lol, that reminds me of a time in a bar when there was this girl near me who I overheard trying to find out where the bathroom was. (her and her group of friends seemed like they'd not been to this bar before). I said 'hiya' to her and was about to say, 'the bathroom is over there by the fruit machine' and before I could start, she gave me this 'don't talk to me, you don't know me' look of contempt and grabbed her friends wrist and moved away as if she needed saving from me!! LMAO. I think she t…
/r/seduction29/01/21 08:57 AM
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yeah, the words that come out of your mouth are about as relevant as the words that come out of the girls mouth when it comes too 'attraction'. Attraction is like 95% visual and 5% sub-communication (how you carry yourself, eye contact etc)
/r/seduction27/01/21 01:05 PM
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Some people struggle with this a lot more than others. Like a legit phobia. I imagine someone with social anxiety (seems to be fairly common nowadays!) would find it terrifying to approach a random hot young girl Only tip I have is to not worry about the 'game' side of things too much. Lots of people do more harm than good trying to implement a pushpull and a neg and a cold read and memorising stacks and concepts etc etc - Once you embrace the fact that 'game' can't make a girl attracted to you …
/r/seduction27/01/21 10:07 AM
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In order to get the girl you REALLY want chances are you might have to go through massive changes either crazy money (sugar daddy), or crazy amount of plastic surgery (attraction from having good looks) lol
/r/seduction26/01/21 08:50 AM
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Can confirm, that's just how it is in the UK i'm afraid (certainly down South)
/r/seduction21/01/21 06:33 PM
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just use pushpull and negs (game) and she'll cheat on him with you /s
/r/askTRP20/01/21 09:41 AM
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Game is closing the deal with women who like you or are neutral about you, not convincing some woman who thinks you’re a troll to bang you bingo!
/r/seduction20/01/21 09:12 AM
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I'm glad the community has woken up in the last few years lol We seem to be well past the days where people used to full on believe all the PUA marketing: ''She doesn't find you attractive? No problem! Use a neg and a pushpull line blabla and she will be wanting to rip you clothes off bceause girls don't care about looks!!!'' type stuff lol And yes, as the other dude said before, game is all about banging the girls who are into you (or at least borderline into you) - not in magically MAKING them…
/r/seduction20/01/21 09:11 AM
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Whenever I read ''Looks aren't everything, they only get your foot in the door!'', I think to myself ''So surely that means they ARE everything! Without getting your foot in the door (since she isn't attracted to you) you never stand a chance in the first place!'' lol It always strikes me as a bizarre admission for people trying to prove that point - kinda killing their own argument stone dead lol
/r/seduction16/01/21 04:07 PM
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where did I mention race?
/r/seduction15/01/21 08:30 AM
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I know. I think 'negging' is simply a part of a normal persons behavior to some extent. Just light teasing. That's the issue with PUA. They kind of teach you things you were already doing, but now you overthink it all and think it has some sort of power (same as pushpull and 'asking questions' and cold reads etc etc lol) But desperate people want to believe that something like 'negging' can MAKE a girl attracted to you when she wasn't before. Complete wishful thinking to the extreme! lol. Part o…
/r/seduction14/01/21 04:52 PM
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it's not about it being a 'problem' I mean, you don't want to bang a girl who you tihnk is ugly either, do you? Surely. Girls are the same. Of course. Looks = attraction. We are attracted to people who look hot (in our opinion) Nobody can take the high road. Neither men, nor women. We're all the same. It is what it is
/r/seduction14/01/21 04:47 PM
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basically you're saying it's best to wait for IOI's and choosing signals so as to avoid trying to 'game' girls who aren't attracted to you? If so, I agree. Certainly once one has gotten over approach anxiety
/r/seduction09/01/21 11:18 AM
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girls will probably think it's even weirder to get approached lol (especially people who are getting so used to socia distancing etc). The longer this shit carries on, the more unusual it will seem to talk to strangers which is why I really hope we beat this thing sooner rather than later! A generation of people growing up with social distancing doesn't sound good for pickup tbh! (such as in the UK where people already think it's weird to talk to strangers compared to the US!) Girls who are only…
/r/seduction05/01/21 11:09 AM
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he's a scammer lol
/r/seduction05/01/21 10:59 AM
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The idea is that it's a 'shit test' and you need to 'agree and amplify'. Like ''Yeah, I know, he's super handsome. You should ask him out' But the problem with any of this 'game' stuff is that it only really works when she's actually attracted/into you lol I remember meeting a girl in a bar once. It seemed to be going OK to the point she was engaged and we were chatting etc. She then remarked on how handsome the barman was and kept looking at him and I laughed and was like ''Yeah, he's dreamy! W…
/r/seduction03/01/21 03:33 PM
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you must not know that 'girls don't care about looks' ;) lol The girls must not know it either!"! haha
/r/seduction02/01/21 11:21 AM
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correct; None of it ''works'' in the sense that you can make an unattracted girl attracted with negs and stuff. (that's the marketing they want you to believe) Game is to be used on attracted girls. When you think about it, most technical game is actually flirting! (think about exactly what a neg or a pushpull etc is!!) Now, flirting is great, but what happens when you flirt with a girl who isn't attracted to you?!! You all know the answer lol
/r/seduction02/01/21 11:17 AM
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He's kind of right None of it ''works'' in the sense that you can make an unattracted girl attracted with negs and stuff. (that's the marketing they want you to believe) Game is to be used on attracted girls. When you think about it, most technical game is actually flirting! (think about exactly what a neg or a pushpull etc is!!) Now, flirting is great, but what happens when you flirt with a girl who isn't attracted to you?!! You all know the answer lol Confidence is great too. But again, it's n…
/r/seduction02/01/21 11:14 AM
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Exactly!!! None of it ''works'' in the sense that you can make an unattracted girl attracted with negs and stuff. (that's the marketing they want you to believe) Game is to be used on attracted girls. When you think about it, most technical game is actually flirting! (think about exactly what a neg or a pushpull etc is!!) Now, flirting is great, but what happens when you flirt with a girl who isn't attracted to you?!! You all know the answer lol
/r/seduction02/01/21 11:13 AM
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sometimes it's a 'test' and sometimes it's just a girl who isn't attracted to you and thus she doesn't want to talk to you or whatever. Trying to 'game' an unattracted girl is a waste of time. You can't trick her into finding you hot lol. Same as a massively fat ugly girl trying to do the same with you. Ain't gonna work lol
/r/seduction01/01/21 01:54 PM
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if she thinks you're ugly, that's not a 'test' - it's a rejection. Move on and find the girls who are attracted to you. And then game THEM girls
/r/seduction01/01/21 11:40 AM
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you're losing frame, bro! Or maybe you'r banging fatties who are making you attracted to them with their 'charisma' and game since that's apparently how you think it works ;)
/r/seduction28/12/20 09:30 PM
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pretty much. Game is great and it helps bang the yes girls and the maybe girls. But it won't do a thing if she's a 'no girl' (not physically attracted to you at all)
/r/seduction28/12/20 11:50 AM
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It is just more fun when a girl isn't interested at the start or even aggressive, but then becomes yours anyway. that's literally never happened lol (except maybe in some PUA fiction lol) If she's not interetsed at all, it just means she's not sexually attracted. No words/behaviour are gonna change that. Same as how a fat old woman isn't gonna make you wanna bang her by using the same tricks
/r/seduction28/12/20 11:50 AM
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thing is, for example, 'negs' might work brilliantly for a good looking guy, but be literal social suicide for an older, less attractive guy. It's not really about field testing or even 'techniques' etc. (People tend to think it was their 'game' that got them the girl, when in fact, they simply found a girl who was attracted to him. He got her in spite of his game. Not because of it) End of the day, nothing really 'works' at such. YOu can't trick a girl into wanting to bang you with game. Get ou…
/r/seduction28/12/20 10:15 AM
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bingo. It annoys me that some on this sub think you're a game denier just because you don't believe in magic! That's not the case. I believe in game. I implement all of the techniques having read around 50 PUA books and watched just about all premium products you can think of lol. And it can help me bang girls more efficiently than my friends. I can take interactions in the desired directions better than my friends. BUT, if a girl isn't in to me, then it's a no go! It's as simple as that. You ca…
/r/seduction27/12/20 09:45 AM
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if a girl isn't physically attracted to you, no amount of negs and DHV stories (or however you define game and attraction trrggers) will make her sexually attracted to you. Don't fall for the marketing
/r/seduction26/12/20 08:45 PM
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That's not the point of game. (that's just the idea behind the marketing of a certain style of game) you can't negotiate attraction. Game is about helping you close the girls who are attracted to you. Not in somehow jedi mind tricking them into thinking you are attractive and wanting to sleep with you, despite her thinking 'no way!!!' in her head when you approached. That's just wishful thinking
/r/seduction26/12/20 07:02 PM
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that's not how it works. I can think of times i've been rejected by 5's (i'm about a 6) and then ended up pulling a 7. If you are her type, you're her type. Not all girls have the same type.You could certainly bang girls out of your league by only going for the girls giving you IOI's. Just like how you might only ever bang girls below you're league if you cold approach girls who aren't giving you any IOIs (the ones out of your league might all reject you)
/r/seduction26/12/20 06:21 PM
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Let's say you interact with 10 girls and only one's showing interest, but you would prefer 3 of the 10 and the one that's seeming interested isn't one of the 3. then you're free to try your luck. I'd even advise to do so. Just know that there's like a 95% chance you'll get rejected (because she wasn't attracted to you and thus wasn't giving IOI's)
/r/seduction26/12/20 06:20 PM
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i tihnk he's saying that a lack of game meant he didn't get teh girl even though she thought he was hot Thing is, I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm not a game denier. I've also seen guys who acted weird and stuff and failed to close girls who clearly thought they were hot But at the same time, game doesn't help if she's not attracted/you're not her type Game is about more efficiently banging the girls who are attracted to you as mark manson says
/r/seduction26/12/20 05:43 PM
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All you have to do is carry on a regular conversation. well that's kind of the 'bar' for game in a way. That, as well as having the balls to escalate. What i mean by that is, if she's attracted to you, you just need to carry a convo (be normal. Don't set off the alarms in her head that you are weird) and ramp up the escalation/show intent. If she's NOT attracted to you, then no amount of negs and cold reads and NLP lines, confidence etc etc ('advanced' game) is gonna help you. She's simply not a…
/r/seduction26/12/20 02:23 PM
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you for real? Women jump over their own shadows to hook up with handsome dudes lol. Ever made a fake account of a really good looking guy? It'll open your mind lol
/r/seduction25/12/20 11:39 PM
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no. I own every single Julien infield from all 4 of his products. His best 'conversion' is one I mentioned above (he's trying to talk to some hot stuck up girl and she's just ignoring him but he says a few things to try to make her laugh and eventually she talks back a bit. Barely). He didn't pull her home though. Not even remotely close lol. Because she wasn't into him, an no PUA tricks could change that fact Honestly. People can't convince/manipulate a girl into wanting to have sex with you if…
/r/seduction25/12/20 11:32 PM
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out of interterest, point me too an infield where the PUA takes a girl from 'Ewww...sorry, i'm not interested', or even blantantly just ignoring him in the bar and looking away after he opens her, to him banging her. I don't think you'll be able too. I have literally hundreds of infields from various premium products (RSD, mystery, simplepickup, honestsignals, Todd Valentine, James Tusk etc etc). Never happens. Girls who aren't receptive go in their 'rejection compilation album'. I don't know ho…
/r/seduction25/12/20 06:32 PM
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Everyone has rejections unless you are literally male model material. It's fine. No 'game' can convince a girl to be attracted to you. Doesn't work like that. All PUA's bang the girls who are clearly fairly receptive (they like how he looks) and reject the guys who they aren't into (despite his negs and self amusement and bal bla bla). I do think people are realising this now though. And it's a good thing. Game exists!! But it's just not what it's been marketed as. It's about getting better at c…
/r/seduction25/12/20 02:31 PM
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simply: It WOULD be kind of immoral if it actually worked lol. But it doesn't. (If it did, every ugly old guy would be out banging 18 year old cheerleaders using these amazing verbal tricks. You can learn all the pushpull lines and negs and stuff in no time at all. Try it for yourself and see if you can 'manipulate' an unattracted girl into banging you. Won't happen. Even Pro PUA's in infields are only banging the girls who instantly like him and get rejected by the others, if you play close att…
/r/seduction25/12/20 02:20 PM
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I have no idea, having never been there I'm only replying to advise you to ignore people who are like ''Girls are the same everywhere, bro. All game is universal'' I stupidly took that advice a few years back (despite instinctively feeling it wasn't true) and in the end my instincts proved correct. Shouldn't have listened to them It can even be fairly small nuances. Like, the popular game teachers at the time (RSD from the US ) would always recommend to walk up to girls in the street or in a bar…
/r/seduction24/12/20 05:28 PM
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'advanced' game is a meme. I promise. Think about why there's never been infields of PUA's taking a girl from a hard 'no' too a 'yes'. You can't 'game' her into being sexually attracted. And that's basically why models has become so popular. Everybody tried to 'sedcuce' unnattracted girls using negs and cold reads and DHV stories and self amusement and blablabla and it didn't work. It only 'worked' on the girls who were already attracted. So people have embraced Marks philosophy. Be honest and s…
/r/seduction24/12/20 01:01 PM
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'advanced' game is a meme. I promise. Think about why there's never been infields of PUA's taking a girl from a hard 'no' too a 'yes'. You can't 'game' her into being sexually attracted. And that's basically why models has become so popular. Everybody tried to 'sedcuce' unnattracted girls using negs and cold reads and DHV stories and self amusement and blablabla and it didn't work. It only 'worked' on the girls who were already attracted. So people have embraced Marks philosophy. Be honest and s…
/r/seduction24/12/20 01:00 PM
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So how do I approach a woman in bar that's initially quite hostile to me, but I plough through her shit tests and manage to take her home, if she wasn't attracted to me from the start? I don't believe that actually happens except in films, tbh. Even infields by professional PUA's never ever show him being able to 'convert' her from being 100% uninterested in him, into sex. In an infield, he either bangs a girl who was clearly attracted to him when he said 'hi', or the interaction goes in his 're…
/r/seduction21/12/20 11:52 PM
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Understand that GAME is a very vast subject and there are a lot of factors surrounding it. Your location, your life situation, the girl, your dressing, her mood, time of the day, weather, surroundings, your age, your looks, your body language... And the list goes on. If someone here answered your question, they don't know 99% of these details. So, basically there is no point in asking them. But even if you get an answer, understand that it's not YOU all the time A million times this
/r/seduction13/12/20 10:06 AM
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the confusion is due to marketing. No 'game' can make a girl want to bang you/become attracted to you.
/r/seduction12/12/20 11:23 AM
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He did that to demonstrate what not to do in set. lmao. No. Have you never seen the actual prodict that infield is from?? (I own it) It wasn't 'on purpose' and 'what not to do' haha. He just decided to try to stick in their and plow when he should have just realised they weren't into him and walked away
/r/seduction11/12/20 08:03 PM
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hot guys lol (just like if a girl is like 'Who gets all the super hot guys!!?' the answer is 'hot girls')
/r/seduction11/12/20 07:59 PM
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it's pretty hard to do it 'wrong', tbh. Think of how many different styles and schools of thoughts there are and how all PUA coaches disagree with each other. Unless he's spitting when he talks or whatever, it's unlikely he's doing anything 'wrong'. He's just yet to open the girls who are into him. It'll happen. Needs to find them girls
/r/seduction10/12/20 10:53 AM
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wasn't a 'joke' lol. I have all of his programs. He didn't fail on purpose. He tried to covert girls who weren't into him using game instead of realising they weren't into him and walking away
/r/seduction10/12/20 10:11 AM
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nobody has ever taken a girl from ''Eww gross" to "Hell the fuck yeah"using 'game' just so you know lol
/r/askTRP10/12/20 09:01 AM
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lol, no. There's no super advanced level where you can bang girls with your 'game' if she's just not attracted to you. No more than a girl who you aren't attracted to making you wanna bang her using her game (go to female PUA sites lol) It's all marketing BS at that point. That's why even the 'best' (todd valentine or whatever) all have tonnes of cringey rejection compilations (ever seen Todd's 'bench rejection'? :) and their 'pulls' are on girls who are clearly into them on some level as soon a…
/r/seduction10/12/20 08:26 AM
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for what it's worth, if it's just about getting laid (and not getting a girlfriend) then not having a job or living with your parents etc doesn't matter at all lol (I got laid a fair bit when I was unemployed and living at home, and one of my brothers lived at home until he was super old, and he was literally banging a beautiful young model for a while and even had a kid with her) All that matters is she's attracted and from there, you can turn her on and escalate.
/r/seduction09/12/20 10:28 AM
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watched them all at one point or another. (the system, valentine university etc) Got them from various torrent sites and communities and private messages with people etc. As with all 'products' it's mostly just overcomplicating basic social exchange. Turning saying 'hi' into some advanced algebra equation. You 'learn' what all normal people already know, basically If you can get it for free watch it if you really don't know how to hold eye contact or need to be taught to ask her things or to try…
/r/seduction30/11/20 11:56 PM
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I'm not talking about being some girls sugar daddy or whatever though( whilst she bangs young handsome guys on the side who she is ACTUALLY attracted too). Anyone can buy hookers though lol. Money and stuff is irrelevant in my experience if we're talking about actual attraction
/r/seduction30/11/20 07:35 PM
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pretty much. I mean, confidence and body language and stuff matter, but looks come first. Without that, there's no sexual attraction. And without sexual attraction, you being confident with good body language ain't gonna cut it lol. I don't know why people always say 'girls don't care about looks like guys do bla bla bla'. These guys must not have sisters or female friends who sit around talking about handsome dudes and DM'ing handsome strangers etc lol. Hell, even the women who post on THIS sub…
/r/seduction30/11/20 04:29 PM
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in fairness, there really isn't such thing as 'advanced' in a way. I mean, that's when you start going down the snake-oil route where people start looking for secret lines and stuff to 'seduce' a girl who isn't remotely into him lol. Even at the most 'advanced' level, it's really just about not being too weird, being able to conversate, and shooting your shot. We see this when we see 'professionals' getting rejected over and over in infields
/r/seduction30/11/20 04:23 PM
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lol, no. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if some older, fat bald guy with supreme confidence who 'carries himself' brilliantly is in a bar of hot 19 year old cheerleaders, he'll be going home alone whilst the handsome jocks with who don't 'carry themselves' as well clean up lol.
/r/seduction30/11/20 11:49 AM
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this. I have two really handsome friends, and on nights out, very hot girls will approach them regularly
/r/seduction30/11/20 10:13 AM
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agree. If she thinks you're hot (thus she's attracted), then being confident and having 'game' can help seal the deal
/r/seduction28/11/20 07:52 PM
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For girls, confidence and boldness is everything for attraction. lets not get carried away lol Confidence and stuff is good, but they need to be physically into the guy first. Confidence without her being attracted is no good
/r/seduction28/11/20 05:36 PM
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he actually talks kinda slow. She just isn't into him. He's not her type. He should move on. But instead he's been brainswashed into thinkinh he can 'game' a girl into finding him hot lol
/r/seduction28/11/20 02:02 PM
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You didn't seem to really turn much around there tbh lol. She was still basically ignoring you. Not your fault though. You can't negotiate attraction. She just wasn't interested/into you. You should have ejected faster and not made her feel uncomfotable
/r/seduction27/11/20 08:55 PM
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Because this stuff isn't a science. It's a mixture of confirmation biases, marketing, and a few other things! As such, there really is no correct answer. And that's why nobody agrees. Even the 'pros'. Because, they are trying to force a square peg into a round hole. What works for one guy won't work for another guy. Maybe they are trying to bang different sorts of girls. One's a hot shy teenage cheerleader, one's super confident milf. One guy is tall and handsome who bangs girls by acting like j…
/r/seduction27/11/20 05:53 PM
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tl;dw?
/r/seduction26/11/20 07:50 PM
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Mystery wasn't good at getting laid, especially considering he was like 6ft 5, fairly handsome face, with minor celeb status. (magician with TV cameras following him around) His 'rules' and techniques and methods etc done him more harm than good. Don't worry about what he says. Don't worry about what any of the PUA dudes say, tbh. It's mainly overcomplicated, marketing BS Approach girls. The ones who like you will make it fairly obvious and you don't need to do anything special really. If she's …
/r/seduction26/11/20 07:49 PM
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This isn't advanced algebra lol There's nothing to 'learn' as such. You just need to approach girls. LIke, how long will it take you to 'learn' to remember to hold good eye contact during convo? Or 'learn' to use humour where appropriate etc?
/r/seduction26/11/20 03:12 PM
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37 and 22 isn't 'strange' to me at all, but then i'm in the UK where the age of consent is 16 and we don't have age gap laws lol (so it's not that uncommon to hear of 30 something year old guys banging 16 year olds) She could be into older guys so it could work in your favour to just be upfront. Obviously likewise some girls would be put off by an older guy, but there's not much you can do about that unless you're willing to lie
/r/seduction26/11/20 02:36 PM
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More or less. I really cringe at putting 'learn' and 'game' in the same sentence lol. 'Just learn game, bro!!' As if the stuff in PUA books (make eye contact, self amuse, make assumptions, use pushpull etc etc) is some ground breaking magic giving you some sort of edge (normal people already do this stuff) or that it even has the power to make a girl sexually attracted to you if she wasn't already lol All people need to 'learn' is that it's a numbers game about finding the girls that are into yo…
/r/seduction26/11/20 10:11 AM
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the worst thing is the 'neg' straight after the opener lol. Literally suicide in todays world (unless you are are super handsome) with the girls who have egos through the roof with thousands of 'fans' on their insta and only fans etc. An ugly guy thinking a 'neg' on some hot teen who ignores him is gonna turn around the interaction and have the hot girl chasing his validation is so funny lmao.
/r/seduction23/11/20 11:31 AM
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it was the peak of marketing back before youtube and stuff were around to expose their BS lol. (ps you ever seen mysteries infields? Painful!). Don't worry about that stuff. It will do more harm than good
/r/seduction23/11/20 08:48 AM
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Some do some don't. In my experience, older women like them, and young girls are way more mixed about them. (many don't seem to like them) I'm way more attracted to young girls (18 year olds) so I shave my beard, personally. Bit like muscles. Older women seem to love them, but the hot teens tend to go for guys who aren't too hench Obviously there's always exceptions I guess as a rule, if you want to attract some super hot 18 year old you need to look 'pretty' (think young Dicaprio). If you want …
/r/seduction23/11/20 08:42 AM
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I know it's hard to do, but can you give examples of this 'weirdness'? I think some 'weird' people seem to do OK with girls in my experience. Having said that, I've always hated the fact that the biggest slayers i've ever met who just CLEAN UP with the hottest girls, always seem to have really boring personalities and a seeming lack of charisma (dare I say lack of 'game'!), but combined with a handsome face. I saw it so frequently, that at one point I actually started to TRY to be more boring an…
/r/seduction21/11/20 08:35 PM
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lol, I remember that episode. Funny thing is, I used to be massively into 'game' - and read like 40 PUA books and watched about 12 products like RSD's ones etc. Experimented with all the theory. At the time I wanted to believe that boomhauer had no game and was simply trying to get lucky, but with hindsight and experience, I now see he was right!! There really is no 'game', or magical tips and verbals etc that can make a girl wanna bang you. YOu can't force her to be attracted to you using 'game…
/r/seduction21/11/20 09:58 AM
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You don't have to have all of these things you listed, mostly only confidence i'm afraid 'confidence' is no match for sexual/physical attraction if we're talking about getting laid with hot young girls.
/r/seduction11/11/20 09:44 AM
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todd valentine, honest signalz, RSD, tom torerro. A few names. Type them in with 'infield' and you should find some stuff
/r/seduction09/11/20 05:43 PM
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One can't can't really 'seduce' a girl in the traditional sense of the word, tbh. I mean, if she doesn't want to be seduced by you (you're not her type or whatever) then there aren't any magic verbals that will accomplish your goal. The word 'seduction' gives a kind of unrealistic expectation of the process as people associate that word with the idea they've seen in old 70's movies where the ugly old guy whispers poetry into the ears of the super hot teenager and bangs her lol (try that with hot…
/r/seduction08/11/20 01:05 PM
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the 'mingling' aspect that made nightgame a good option has gone. Here at least. Bouncers and staff will try to keep groups separated. No standing around able to spark up a convo. Designate seating areas. Girl go out in small 'covid groups' and just sit in the corner emersed in chat not wanting to be approached etc. It's also amplified the potential 'weirdness' of cold approach as increased the social pressure etc. I kinda think covid has put the nail in the coffin of nightgame :(
/r/seduction02/11/20 08:38 AM
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the basics. Say cold approach for example, is she actually answering your questions and ideally answering more than with the bare minimum. Is she asking you things back. Is she making eye contact and is actually 'engaged' or is she looking around the bar or at her phone clearly hoping you'll leave her alone etc etc. THere used to be this thing called 'plowing' in the PUA industry where you ignored these signals and tried to 'game' her into desiring you lol. But if you watch any successful infiel…
/r/seduction01/11/20 08:34 PM
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never ever force a 'neg' like some PUA nerd. The idea that it magically 'attracts' some super hot girl who isn't into you and makes her chase your validation is why people laugh so much about this 'game' stuff. Marketing BS.
/r/seduction01/11/20 12:40 AM
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My main point of advice may sound silly, but fuck all the rules. I read 100s of articles and books and NONE of them helped. the fact that all of the books 100% contradict each other should tell you all you need to know lol
/r/seduction01/11/20 12:37 AM
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nah, it's just the way young UK girls tend to be if they get approached by some dude they're not attracted too. In my area, at least. I live in quite a chavvy area. Plus these girls are young and hot and have like onlyfans accounts and stuff lol.
/r/seduction28/10/20 10:25 PM
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Take me to you, imprison me, for I,. Except you enthrall me, never shall be free,. Nor ever chaste, except you ravish me
/r/seduction26/10/20 06:46 PM
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basically online nowadays. Insta and tinder. Even in bars, girls don't wanna be appraoched and the bouncers don't let you anyone lol
/r/seduction26/10/20 01:05 PM
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game is used to amplify existing attraction. YOu can't 'create' attraction with 'game'. Like Mark Manson says. Think about it. Do you HONESTLY think you can be a guy who she personally considers to be ugly and not her type at ALL, and then use a pushpull line ('youre kinda cute. Too bad you're not my type') and maybe a neg ('Nice nails. Are they real?? Oh shame....) and maybe a DHV story and then she wants to bang you?!! haha. Also watch infields. CLOSELY! You'll soon see that these PUA's get re…
/r/askTRP25/10/20 08:57 AM
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bit of a myth, tbh (mainly PUA marketing) - especially if we're talking about the very young girls. They don't give a shit about if you have money or even 'game' tbh (when it comes to just hooking up) They just want a good looking guy. Same as when it comes to just sex, we just want a good looking girl and don't care about her personality (within reason)
/r/askTRP24/10/20 04:39 PM
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of course. Attraction IS exactly the same for guys and girls in that we need to think they are hot in order to want to bang them. You can't 'game' a girl into wanting to bang you with pushpull lines etc if she's not into you lol. That's just PUA marketing So put the odds in your favour and get a good physique You can of course and approach in the mean time, as you might stumble acrosss a girl who likes fatter guys (same as how some guys like super skinny girls with no tits, but they're in the mi…
/r/askTRP24/10/20 12:43 PM
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He's sooooo good looking I can't stop thinking about him you must be new here. Girls don't care at all about looks /s
/r/seduction24/10/20 11:22 AM
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i'm guessing UK?
/r/seduction23/10/20 12:11 PM
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Power dynamic is irrelevant. it's not as though some ugly old fat dude can go around banging hot 18 year olds just because he's older and that somehow means he can 'manipulate' them lol. no, they'd tell him to go away if he tried it on because they're not attracted. Attraction is what 'manipulates' people when we're talking about sex. She's no more manipulated by a handsome older guy than a good looking kid her own age. Not worth worrying about
/r/seduction23/10/20 12:09 PM
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tom torerro used actresses in his infields, and rooshV eventually conceded that it's basically all about looks lol (you need her physical attraction before 'game' will do a damn thing. You can neg and pushpull and DHV stories too a girl all day long but she won't wanna have sex with you if she doesn't think you're hot)
/r/askTRP23/10/20 09:35 AM
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She will upfront until he opens his mouth and disappoints her. Your looks will never get you across the finish line because ultimately you have to convince a woman to go out with you. Your confidence helps you in that ha! Girls are actually the same as guys when it comes too attraction If you want proof, look for posts by amnesia on looksmax forum. Realyl good looking dude who posts tonnes of actul proof of him banging hot girls every night, and he's self admitted autistisc and he's even shown g…
/r/seduction22/10/20 09:45 PM
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you're right about how it's silly for guys to be thinking it was that they didn't say good enough stuff, or that their opener was bad or their body langauge wasn't perfect etc, and that's why she ignored him/told him she wasn't interested We don't care if some hot girl isn't saying brilliant stuff or has less than perfect body langauge. Neither do girls. What i'm saying is that this is all super simple: If she likes how you look, you just need to not completely weird her out, and be able to lead…
/r/seduction20/10/20 09:51 PM
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can't really approach in pubs. Bouncers and staff don't let you move away from your designated seat. It's all about tinder nowadays, tbh
/r/seduction19/10/20 01:51 PM
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The first issue as, as you say, most pretty young girls kind of see themselves as celebs nowadays, with their 10k simping followers on IG and many probably have onlyfans accounts now making lots of money with selling nudes etc. Egos like never before in history! So when some guy approaches them, unless he is super handsome or something, you might be in for a rough ride, akin too a dirty homeless person trying to start a convo with some rich young snobby model lol And corona hasn't helped at all …
/r/seduction19/10/20 01:13 PM
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Same as if there's a girl who everyone wants to bang, you probably wanna bang her too Margot Robbie or whatever. She's hot. so people wanna bang her
/r/seduction18/10/20 07:57 PM
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basically. PUA's think that they're helping you by feeding you nonsense like 'girls don't care about looks' (despite them DMing hot strangers on insta lol) or that it's 'limiting beliefs' and that you can 'game' any girl into wanting to bang you no matter how you look etc. They think this is better, but honestly, I think believing that nonsense ends up doing more harm than good as you spin your wheels trying to 'game' girls who simply aren't into you. A frustating existance indeed. People need t…
/r/seduction18/10/20 07:48 PM
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At least you gave it a shot. That's all one can do. There's no secret PUA lines or techniques that would have helped. Her attraction is either there or it isn't. These girls sound like they weren't into you. not to worry. Move on to the next set. It's about finding the girls that are attracted/interested, and then leading THEM girls to sex (which is where 'game' can help a little)
/r/seduction18/10/20 07:46 PM
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true. you can't 'game' a girl into finding you attractive, either. (or 'seduce' as some people call it)
/r/seduction10/10/20 09:31 PM
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boyfriend line means either she's got a boyfriend, or you're not her type/she's not interested. You can't change her mind SO just move on to teh next girl
/r/seduction07/10/20 09:50 PM
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you're gonna get a of od blue pilled answers from people who think you can magically 'attract' a girl who doesn't like how you look by 'being confident' and using pushpull lines and other 'attraction material' etc, but in truth, physical attraction is a pre-requisite. That's why so many good PUA's with apaprenbtly amazing game have rejection compilations as long as your arm lol. You can't negotiate attraction As for whether you think surgery will help you, that's a hard one to answer. but of cou…
/r/seduction07/10/20 09:48 PM
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you can torrent most of that stuff Certainly Juliens old stuff like pimp
/r/seduction04/10/20 11:06 PM
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that's the problem with it. After I read quite a few books, I realised I was just being 'taught' obvious stuff that I already knew and it made me get in my head over things that are just natural to almost everyone adn possibly worsened my interactions as a result lol. I remember showing my brother some infields back in the day, and he was like 'Why does this guy think he's doing anything special that he thinks he can charge money for??! He's talking to girls and then asking for their number. The…
/r/seduction04/10/20 11:03 PM
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there's nothing really too 'learn'. This isn't advanced algebra lol Just basic social skills, mixed with showing some intent on the girls who are receptive tbh
/r/seduction03/10/20 08:57 AM
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even though I get some hate on this sub from time to time for red-pilling people about attraction/'game' and stuff (i.e it's far from magic and won't help you if you're not remotely her type, even at the most 'advanced'), even I will admit that there IS some variance in what women think of as a 'hot' guy. I am proof of this. I'm ugly, yet i've banged some very hot, much younger girls. And i'm not gonna pat myself on the back and call it some some sort of PUA game wizardry I used to force attract…
/r/seduction29/09/20 03:34 PM
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ask her out. Only way to find out for sure
/r/seduction26/09/20 12:21 PM
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peoples sticking points are usually just a lack of attraction from the girl/she's not interested , tbh. So they need to get more attractive. Not worry about 'game' ('how do I 'hook' these girls' etc. It's not how it works. She'll hook easily if she's into you)
/r/seduction26/09/20 11:34 AM
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you can't really compare it with other 'skills. With 'game', you could know every pushpull line, every neg, remember to hold good eye contact and relaxed body language, self amuse, and all the rest of it, but if the girl you open isn't into you/you're not her type, then it's gonna end in rejection. (same as a really fat girl trying to game you) - You'll blame your 'game' and start thinking 'maybe my approach angle was 15 degrees off' etc, and ignore the elephant in the room and spin your wheels.…
/r/seduction26/09/20 08:19 AM
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When I show interest in a girl that I just met it often backfires!! yeah, that's why it's good to find out the truth about all this stuff for yourself (which it sounds like you've done) If for example you aren't an especially good looking guy, and you hit on some younger (superficial instagram loving girl) at a bar and are very direct off the open, it will backfire almost always. Sometimes brutally so lol. Forget what the PUA coaches who advocate direct game say (every marketeer selling stuff ne…
/r/seduction25/09/20 07:48 PM
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100% - lots of PUA's even admit this nowadays. It's only the really old school guys who tried selling snake oil (before youtube and stuff debunked them) who say otherwise It's simply about finding the girls who are into you, and then not creeping them out and having the balls to escalate relatively smoothly (game) and leading it to sex. No magic pushpull lines or NLP or whatever are gonna actually 'build sexual attraction' if she had none to begin with. It's decided in a nano second, same as it …
/r/seduction25/09/20 07:41 PM
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it's not about 'game'. It's about attraction. Some hot 18 year old isn't gonna wanna bang the guy who uses negs and pushpull lines, but isn't her physical type. She goes for the guy who she thinks is hot (and he needs to just not be weird to the point she'd rather just bang another guy, which is what one might call 'game')
/r/seduction25/09/20 10:26 AM
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it's' mainly marketing BS. It exists in that social skills play a role, but there's no super-duper 'advanced' level where you can pick and choose and CONVERT girls from 'no. Go away' (the girls for who you aren't her type) into wanting to bang you lol Game will put you on par with 'normal' dudes who have always had social skills, and ahead of autistic guys, basically. But the important bit is ATTRACTION - which basically comes from how you look. It isn't negotiable. You can't 'pushpull' or self …
/r/seduction24/09/20 08:11 PM
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but you cut through that if you just talk to the girl IRL for a few minutes. not syre what you mean by 'cut through it'? I mean, even in person, if you're not her type/she's not physically attracted, then no negs/pushpull/eslf amusement/'game' is gonna cut any ice, tbh So it's always the same. A matter of basically finding hte girls who are into you, and I still think it's more efficient online
/r/seduction24/09/20 03:08 PM
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most pretty 18 year olds have only fans accounts now and only really respond to extremely high value guys (very good looking and with a massive social following themselves) Even underage girls have found ways of cheating the verification process or finding other avenues similar to onlyfans to make money. Ego through the roof lol. Probably why there's always so many FR's and stuff of guys just getting outright ignored or swatted away like a peasant after trying to 'run game' on some hot teen in t…
/r/seduction24/09/20 12:00 PM
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exactly. If you're not a good looking guy, then it's just about getting lucky, basically. (girls attraction DOES work the same as ours and they're equally as superficial) So don't beat yourself up when 20 hot girls in a row basically ignore you after you open. It is what it is. ANd no 'game' or magic pushpull lines are gonna make her want you lol. But you put the odds ever so slightly in your favour by meeting more girls than the next guy Good luck out there!
/r/seduction24/09/20 09:33 AM
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it basically is all about looks if i'm completely honest (ESPECIALLY for the young hot ones everyone wants if they're being honest with themselves lol) However, one shimmer of hope is that not all girls have the same taste when it comes to looks. (I know a hot girl who always picks guys on insta who all her friends think is ugly lol) This is where numbers game comes into action! I'm old and not handsome, and I banged a really hot 17 year old recently (16 is legal here before people kick up a sti…
/r/seduction24/09/20 09:26 AM
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correct. The idea of 'learning game' (learning how to hold eye contact and ask a girl her name and 'tease' etc lol) is so cringey. There's no secret lines and stuff that can 'attract' a girl. ANd i've read about every PUA book in existance btw What matters is: a/is she physically attracted to you? b/ if she is, don't totally weird her out (this is where 'game' can help, but only applies to people with Edward Scissorhands level social skills who needs to 'learn' this stuff. Everyone else already …
/r/seduction24/09/20 09:15 AM
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it's just moving with the times. It's not different to cold approach, really. (e.g - girls will be receptive if they like how you look, and you're wasting your time if you're NOT her type). It's the same online and in person. It's just a bit more efficient to message girls on insta I guess.
/r/seduction24/09/20 08:49 AM
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they're not dating the guys that drop into their DMs. that's how my friends that get laid lots do it lol. They just DM hot girls on insta and tell them they're cute and stuff and then meet up
/r/seduction23/09/20 10:32 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/bmnbsl/the_uk_scene/ https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/5vxm2j/gaming_uk_girls_vs_us_girls/
/r/seduction23/09/20 09:53 PM
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I still think there’s a difference between US and U.K. though. there's a big difference. Been some good threads on here over the years talking about ity in fact
/r/seduction23/09/20 12:05 PM
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Less attractive guys with great personalities will always have HUGE advantages over attractive guys with bad personalities. clearly a book written pre instagram days! :)
/r/seduction22/09/20 10:11 PM
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they were on holiday. The rules change on holiday lol. Everyone is in party mode/no judjement/maximum slut mode
/r/seduction22/09/20 10:07 PM
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in fairness, night game died in the UK months ago. The curfew is kind of irrelevant Bouncers and bar staff stop you appraaching girls and talking to strangers and direct you back to your designated area By the time this is all over in a few years, cold apporach will be considered super super weird (it already is in the UK to some extent lol) as it'll just be even more alien to girls who grew up/started going out drinking etc in the age of covid. The guys I know who get laid now are just handsome…
/r/seduction22/09/20 08:34 PM
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they want to be approached adn talked to, BY A GUY THEY THINK IS HOT/ATTRACTIVE. How can people still not know this in 2020 lol
/r/seduction22/09/20 07:24 PM
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don't hit on girls who are paid to be nice to you as a rule (unless you handsome as fuck and so know she'll be interested lol)
/r/seduction22/09/20 06:02 PM
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because 'game' is basically being normal lol. Amazing to think that 'coaches' have made millions selling people courses 'teaching' them to say 'hi' too a girl and ask her some quetsions etc. like 'teaching' people to breath lol. People have been doing it since forever. Be normal, and flirt a bit. IF she thinks you're hot, it could lead to sex. If you 'game' a girl who isn't into you, it wo'nt work and you'll go home alone Do't overthink this stuff. I've read all the books and tried it all. trust…
/r/seduction22/09/20 09:43 AM
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depends what she values. If you are trying to bang some milf at a yacht club, having lots of money with a masculine, charasmatic presence will likely be of value to her If you are trying to bang some hot teenager insta thot, then being very handsome is where she will see value
/r/seduction22/09/20 09:37 AM
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the reason there's confusion is because people try to crowbar in rules and a system into something that doesn't work like that. That's why all the 'experts' disagree and contradict each other every 5 seconds. They backwards rationalise what 'worked' without realising she was just into him! She just needs to think you're hot/be attracted. And from that point, going direct is fine. And so is being more aloof. Basically everything works if you're her type. And nothing will work if you're not (same …
/r/seduction22/09/20 09:34 AM
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it's more face than muscles. This guy is even autistic, but due to handsome face, he has banged like 100 hot teenagers in the last 2 years, and he's in his 30's lol https://looksmax.me/threads/amnesias-no-snapchat-tinder-tales-pt-2-18-year-old-blonde.209275/
/r/seduction21/09/20 10:55 PM
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it should be 2-sided. She's probably just not interested. Open the next girl until you find one who IS, and then it will all usually take care of itself as she'll be asking you tonnes of stuff etc
/r/seduction21/09/20 08:47 PM
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or just be good looking lol This dude is autistic but is hella handsome (lots of surgery) and now slays new teens every day (and he's old!) https://looksmax.me/threads/amnesias-no-snapchat-tinder-tales-pt-2-18-year-old-blonde.209275/
/r/seduction21/09/20 05:29 PM
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yes, although your odds are miniscule. (if she was attracted, she'd give an IOI) Worth a shot though
/r/seduction21/09/20 03:54 PM
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The new stuff is incredibly powerful example of some powerful stuff? e.g - what would new technique/lines etc would you use to make a girl who tihnks you are ugly, very very attracted to you/want to have sex with you? Are you talking about the usual stuff? self amusement, negs, good eye contact etc?
/r/seduction21/09/20 10:53 AM
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cold approach is likely dead for a good few years :( You can't approach girls in bars where i live now. You can't get close. Bouncers and bar staff repremand you for leaving your designated area etc. And to do it on the street would freak out the girl even more than it did pre-covid lol Many of us who aren't super young have likely made our last cold approach without even realising it. Sad times. I used to look forward to the weekends :(
/r/seduction19/09/20 04:38 PM
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Yeah exactly, though I must admit that fear of brutal rejection is probably mostly unfounded Actually, in my experience, and that of a number of my friends, it's not unfounded :(. I wish it was! haha However, I should be clear that i'm talking about night game in bars and clubs. I guess that environment where they all feel like Rhianna or something brings out the worst in them I've got some horror stories from my own experiences and from what i've seen of various friends approaches where they go…
/r/seduction18/09/20 11:13 PM
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this is true. Guys will get brutal rejections if they approach a girl who doesn't think he's hot/handsome (especially in some parts of the world and certain age girls. Young girls in the UK for example will rip you to shreds! haha) Guys will tend to be way way nicer even if they get approached by a girl who they don't find attractive
/r/seduction18/09/20 09:57 PM
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there really is nothing to learn. PUA is basically overcomlicating how to flirt. You can achieve the same thing with just good body language or telling her she's cute. You don't need to memorose the super pushpull lines and all the other jazz. If she's not into you, nothing will work, and if she is into, almost everything will work
/r/seduction16/09/20 07:30 AM
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don't waste your money bro. Make me so sad that people are making a fortune out of this stuff, when there's really nothing to even sell Approach girls, flirt a little, if she's interested (you'll usually know) escalate. If she's not into you, move on
/r/seduction16/09/20 07:14 AM
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because they're been brainwashed by PUA marketing nonsense who wants you to think that if a girl thinks you're ugly, you need to neg her use push pull and self-amuse etc, and then she'll magically be attracted/want to have sex with you lol
/r/seduction15/09/20 06:16 PM
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if you're not her physical type (she's not sexually attracted) then no game/PUA is gonna help. That's all he's saying. And he's right. It's a numbers game
/r/seduction15/09/20 06:15 PM
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completely agree. A few years back I got very heavy into this stuff, and I almost cringe at myself in hindsight (thinking I had more control than I did lol)
/r/seduction12/09/20 08:11 AM
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There is so much advice and information about seduction and a lot of It can be contradicting to other advice and information. That's your first clue to not worry and overthink this stuff, and that it's basically all bro-science/marketing etc (I remember having that thought years ago when I first discovered 'game' and realised all the experts completely disagreed about every tiny nuance lol) It might seem hard, but when a girl is actually into you, it becomes a lot easier. Most guys are trying to…
/r/seduction11/09/20 07:41 AM
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Pretty much on the money. The PUA marketing lie (which forutunately is largely dying out now since it's harder to fool people since things like youtube came about which didn't exist in the days of mysterymethod!) is that you can attract a girl who isn't sexually attracted to you/doesn't think you are good looking etc etc, if you do certain things (push pull, tease, self amuse, neg her bla bla bla) In truth, that stuff is more icing on the cake. Game is basically flirting when you actually break …
/r/seduction10/09/20 08:29 PM
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attraction is the same for both sexes. But men like to cling on to the idea that if only they learn about negs and other game, they can somehow make a girl who doesn't think he's good looking, desperately want to bang him lol
/r/seduction09/09/20 09:41 PM
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It's more binary -he either likes you or not, and you cannot do that much if the latter is the case. Well other than getting hotter at least. that's the same the other way around If a girl tihnks you are ugly, no amount of negs and pushpull and 'game' is gonna do shit lol
/r/seduction09/09/20 09:40 PM
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all hot girls 18 and over have onlyfans accounts and act like celebs lol
/r/seduction08/09/20 07:36 AM
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Cold approach pick-up is about screening and finding the girls that will be receptive to your approach. 100%. That's what it's all about. Nobody can trick a girl into being attracted to you. If you're not her type, no amount of pushpull or whatever is gonna make her want you. Luckily most people are aware of that now, which is why so many PUA coaches went out of business and the industry has kind of moved on. It was easier to fool people back in the mysterymethod days when there was no youtube a…
/r/seduction07/09/20 04:47 PM
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it would only be unethical if it actually worked as marketed. And it doesn't! Obviously. lol So don't worry about it. If there was a 'seduction method' out there that was able to actually jedi mind trick a hot girls brain and make her want you, then everyone would know about it and the world would cease to exist as we know it
/r/seduction06/09/20 04:51 PM
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pushpull or anything other 'game' ai'nt gonna do shit if you're not her type lol. Same as an ugly girl 'pushpulling' or negging you lol.
/r/seduction24/08/20 06:20 PM
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I’m not disqualifying PUA tactics, most of them do obviously work Kind of. But also not really. Most PUA tactics are really just a variation of flirting. (think disqualification, pushpull, negs, certain styles of cold reads, etc etc etc) Now, What happens when you flirt with a girl who thinks you're cute? It works and gets you laid What happens when you flirt with a girl who isn't attracted to you? It doesn't 'work' Same with game. It helps you close girls who are into, but no amount of game can…
/r/seduction24/08/20 06:16 PM
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UK girls don't really talk to stragers tbh (unless they think he's hadnsome as hell). They think it's weord. It's all about social circle
/r/seduction21/08/20 11:35 AM
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unless she has massive daddy issues or simply wants you for your money (so probably banging a handsome young dude on the side) vast majority of 18 year olds ain't gonna be sexually attracted to some old dude lol
/r/seduction19/08/20 08:12 AM
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energy is a thing, but yeah, if she doesn't think you're hot/good looking, she'll put you into the cool guy/'I wonder if Becky will like him'/friendzone, and not in the 'I wanna fuck this guy' zone
/r/seduction19/08/20 08:07 AM
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The industry has simply moved on some. It was built on lots of marketing and lies that came undone as soon as youtube and stuff came along and all the theories were largely debunked before peoples eyes Even RSD and many of the old school guys slowly admitted that it's a numbers game and that lots of girls simply won't be into you etc. Game simply isn't some sort of black magic where you can neg or self amuse your way into the pants of a girl who isn't remotely attracted to you as the very old sc…
/r/seduction17/08/20 08:22 PM
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Basically 'attraction'. If she considers the guy to be good looking/attractive, it's likely his flirting will be well recieved - No matter what he does If the guy is not her type, then it can easily become 'creepy'. What young girl wants a guy who she's not into, flirting with her? Plus she doesn't want to flirt back and give him the wrong idea, so the whole thing gets awkward fast.
/r/seduction17/08/20 10:49 AM
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Torerro used actresses edit: don't know about the down votes! :) But look it up. He was even forced to come clean and admit it after being exposed lol
/r/seduction17/08/20 10:48 AM
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in theory it applies to men and women. (female PUA's tell their clients the same game principles that men are taught) But in the real world, looks come first lol. (confidence is a nice additional thing to have)
/r/seduction16/08/20 03:54 PM
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i'd say they do tend to show hints, tbh. Usually she'll flirt somewhat. Or she'll tell someone she likes you (or at least drop hints to them) in the hope it gets back to you etc There'll usually be something. Even just trying to spend time with you (I remember a girl I used t work with would always come sit by me and just be like 'Whatya doing???? I'm bored' kind of thing)
/r/seduction16/08/20 03:50 PM
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wait for choosing signals, otherwise if basically not worth it
/r/seduction16/08/20 01:56 PM
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Have you got any hints that she's into you in that way? If not, you could still make a move, but you're chance of her reciprocating go way way down, and you risk some awkwardness etc, but that's up to you
/r/seduction16/08/20 01:54 PM
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you're right. But in my experience, it's actually always the result of the girl making it clear she' into you first (usually through other people in the group). At that point, you can flirt back and escalate towards hooking up. In fact, I remember when I first started reading about 'game', it actually messed up my social circle interactions with the girls I knew lol. Overgamed and was applying cold apporach principles that just seemed 'off' in a social circle environment So just litierally be yo…
/r/seduction16/08/20 10:20 AM
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well, she needs to find you physically attractive. That's the pre-requistite At that point, all you need is confidence. But ain't no super ugly dude 'getting dime pieces left and right' because of his 'confidence' lmao
/r/seduction16/08/20 10:18 AM
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Nobody is good at 'seducing' a girl. It's not really even a thing You're either her type or you aren't. The guys who have 'game' are better at not screwing it up, basically (so they have the balls to escalate on girls they can tell are into them, they are less likely to do something stupid etc etc) There's no magic secret skill to this, though. Nobody is out there 'seducing' girls, e.g converting them from being like 'Ewww, go away', to 'please bang me!!' because of his seductive, mind-hijacking…
/r/seduction16/08/20 08:57 AM
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lol
/r/seduction15/08/20 11:09 PM
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A man is only as faithful as his options as Chris rock (i think?) said It's probably a horrible thought for girls, but nearly every girls boyfriend would cheat if some ridiculously hot 19 year old model threw herself at him. It would take almost super-human levels of willpower to not give in Luckily for 99% of girls, your boyfriend isn't hot or famous enough to have super hot young girls throwing themselves at him so you don't need to worry about it lol
/r/seduction15/08/20 10:10 AM
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A 'shit test' (to use the pua term) is nearly always a matter of her just not being into you sexually. You're not her type. No big deal. Move on Imagine an ugly girl trying to hit on you, and you naturally kind of brush off her advances, or maybe if you're an asshole, you'd ignore her or tell her she's not your type/be rude etc. Now imagine if that girl thought 'this is a shit test!!' hahaha. Same thing Now, what women DO do, it kind of tease guys a little bit at times. Maybe i've been kissing a…
/r/seduction15/08/20 09:42 AM
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This isn't exactly how shit tests work dude. Every woman will shit test you in the beginning Not if she's heavily attracted. My wingman is stupidly handsome (no homo. He just is lol) and girls do NOT 'shit test' him at all lol. They're the ones chasing his validation
/r/seduction15/08/20 09:40 AM
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Done a group buy for it ages ago. Wasn't very good, tbh. Also EXTREMELY verbose. Tonnes of the book was just recommended other products to watch lol Listen, the PUA era has largely died out for good reason. I'ts basically all marketing. This isn't 2002. We all know and have too much proof how this hooking up stuff actually works. In teh old days, there was no youtube and what not, and 'coaches' could more easily fool everybody with their bogus claims etc You likely already know everything you ne…
/r/seduction15/08/20 09:06 AM
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it's not really a 'test'. It's just a way to say she's not interested. The girls who are into tend to talk back or not be like that towards you
/r/seduction13/08/20 12:28 PM
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because this is the real world and not a PUA infield with an actress, or, at best, a super social, screened girl in a 'party environment' lol Lots of girls simply don't want to talk to some random guy unless he is completely her 'type'. And in some cultures like the UK, they just think it's a weird thing to do (start talking to them) Numbers game, bro. Keep opening, and you'll find some girls willing to talk back
/r/seduction13/08/20 12:27 PM
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They're suicide full stop in many cultures. ESPECIALLY at the open, which is where mystery (scam artist) advised people to use them! Literally, young girls nowadays with their inflated egos will look at you with complete contempt (assuming you aren't a handsome stud) and walk away if you try to be clever and neg her without first having heavy rapport. Not chase you for your validation as mysterymethod suggested lol. She doesn't give a shit about you. She doesn't care (again. Assuming she's not s…
/r/seduction12/08/20 10:13 PM
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The dating scene feels fucking doomed compared to 3-4 years ago. The world changes fast. Lots of old dudes on PUA forums who aren't even active will tell you nothing ever changes, but they're very wrong It's so much about social circle nowdays for one. Less people are remotely interested in talking to strangers. Unless you are a very good looking dude willing to play the numbers game, then it's not gonna be easy to get laid with hot girls from cold approach. At all. There's no magic PUA game whi…
/r/seduction12/08/20 10:09 PM
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UK girls tend to only really talk to guys in their social circle. IN general, walking up too a strangers and talking to her will be a lot harder than if doing that on a girl in the US. You'll get much more of a 'WTF?' look, and a very guarded, closed off response (unless you are lucky enough to come across an unusually socialable, friendly girl who also think you are hot lol) It's not impossible, though. Some girls will be receptive. In terms of specifics, there are some differences. For example…
/r/seduction10/08/20 12:10 PM
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She makes getting laid seem super easy. She's a girl. And she's somewhat hot (since you have a crush on her) Of course it's the easiest thing in the world to get laid for her lol
/r/seduction08/08/20 02:22 PM
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now we're talking!
/r/seduction07/08/20 10:02 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNPGtceq9tA
/r/seduction07/08/20 09:50 PM
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just become famous, or be an extremely handsome man like Jude Law lol
/r/seduction07/08/20 09:49 PM
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game will only ge tyou so far. It's always a numbers game to the extent that, if none of the girls are into you, you could have the best 'game' in the world and still go home empty handed. People often think it must have been that their game wasn't good enough and that they need to be more self amused or use more negs or whatever, when in fact, he just wasn't her type and he'd be wasting his time and looking in the wrong places when trying to work out why
/r/seduction30/07/20 10:18 AM
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if he's getting dates, then attraction isn't the problem lol
/r/seduction29/07/20 11:02 AM
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The official line is 'no' (in the same way we pretend looks don't matter etc) BUt in truth, of course it plays a role. Some girls aren't gonna be into white boys. Or black guys. Or ugly guys. Whatever. And no amount of negs or cold reads or self amusement etc (game) is gonna make her change her mind lol. Numbers game, bro. Get out there and open and there will very likely be some hot girls who are into you, for whom your ethnicity isn't an issue
/r/seduction29/07/20 10:54 AM
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firstly, don't pay for anything. It's all out there for free. secondly, don't forget that it's largely all marketing (mixed in with some arm chair psychology and outright scammers using actresses etc). Not to say game isn't useful, but it's no replacement for her actually being attracted/thinking you are hot Now, to actually answer your question (and trust me. There's no pua book i haven't read or premium program I haven't seen) it kind of depends on your personality, but i'd say maxrsd 'the nat…
/r/seduction28/07/20 03:32 PM
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air hostesses are no easier than any other hot young girls unfortunately lol. She still needs to think you're hot. (plus they have a hell of a lot of options so are super picky)
/r/seduction28/07/20 03:00 PM
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it's the UK. Girls think it's super odd to be approached there, in general. Just culture. (Although they will make an exception if you happen to be very much her type and she happens to be an unusually social girl) That's why all the UK youtube daygamers only get success from approaching FOREIGN girls (tourists mainly) in LONDON. (they talk back, whereas teh local girls tend to ignore them) This guy was doing it in Folkstone! lol - way too small, and 'close knit' of a place to do daygame It's ba…
/r/seduction27/07/20 05:20 PM
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you've successfully attracted her. Now just close!
/r/seduction27/07/20 02:37 PM
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some humour doesn't really work over text lol. Especially with young girls (sarcasm and stuff seems to go over their heads nowadays anyway)
/r/seduction27/07/20 12:35 PM
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flirt/show that you think she's hot (which is basically what 'seduction is; flirting). IF she is into you, it will go places. If you're not her type, she'll make it clear, and you move on the the next lol good luck
/r/seduction27/07/20 10:58 AM
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best to do it in a big city, tbh
/r/seduction26/07/20 09:23 AM
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yeah, man
/r/seduction25/07/20 07:55 PM
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It's good to compliment them on characteristics about themselves. Especially the pretty girls who are almost bored with 24/7 validation
/r/seduction25/07/20 07:42 PM
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Yeah I guess I can’t remember the first time I saw you You wanted him the first moment you saw him? Shows what i've been saying about how girls are the same as us guys when it comes too attraction and not to fall for all the 'game' nonsense lol. We're all visual creatures Nice story
/r/seduction25/07/20 01:54 PM
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unless people are opening by completely avoiding eye contact and doing weird stuff, there's basically nothing to 'learn' as such, tbh. You just need to find a girl who is fairly into you/thinks you're cute, and who is a social girl who doesn't mind being approached, and from that point, unless you are doing something like not looking her in the eye and stuff and spitting when you talk etc, you'll be fine. His game is already fine. Just needs to approach more until he finds the girls who are into…
/r/seduction25/07/20 08:50 AM
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fair post. I think a lot of people have bought way too heavily into the PUA marketing. The idea that you can 'learn' to be so good that you don't get rejected etc, when the truth is that the 'skill' element of this is TINY! There's kind of very little to learn (and trust me. I've read every PUA book and watched every PUA programe you can imagine and have made LOTS of approaches). It's a numbers game. Lots of and lots of girls will reject you/ignore you etc, no matter how many cold reads and negs…
/r/seduction25/07/20 08:47 AM
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I done that once after trying to chat up a hot young girl who in a bar who then noticed the really good looking barman who she wanted to bang then and there. I Was like 'Yeah, he's hot! I'd fuck him if I was you!!'' - I think she DID ask for his number later! haha. A while back now. Still makes me laugh. One of the first times i'd tried to implement some game i'd read about and it kinda backfired lmao
/r/seduction24/07/20 10:14 AM
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Dude if she doesn't engage with every conversation then she is not interested in you. Basically this. 'Learning game' has messed with a lot of guys heads and made them lose their common sense in a way. If a girl isn't talking back and clearly isn't interested etc, then guess what. She's not interested. Maybe she hates talking to strangers. Maybe she's got an abusive boyfriend and she's worried that he'll find out she talked too a guy. Most likely she simply isn't into you, in the same way you wo…
/r/seduction24/07/20 09:38 AM
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What didn't you know before that you needed to learn out of interest? I've never read anything in a game book that I didn't already know by the time I was like 16 lol. Give some examples. Like, I know some people don't know that you should smile for example But I don't think you've turned any rejections into relationships lol. Are you talking about a cold approach on a girl who was like 'go away. I'm not interested' after you opened, and you used some magic game and banged her lol? If so, i'm no…
/r/seduction23/07/20 07:23 PM
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The reason there's a million styles of 'game' all contradicting each other, is because it kind of doesn't exist, tbh. Your game (unless you are really creepy or whatever) will work or look good when she happens to think you are hot (maybe you're just her physical type or whatever) Your game will look 'bad' to people and you will get rejected when you open girls who aren't interested in you like that. That's why all of these 'pro PUA's have 'rejection compilation' albums as long as your arm! lol …
/r/seduction23/07/20 08:08 AM
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flirting and teasing are kinda the same. Don't worry about it too much. But for example, in the US people like 'mystery' used to 'neg' a girl at the open. Or someone like Julien would kind of open a girl and ask questions at her using a very 'breaking rapport' tone of voice kinda like he was talking too an employee, and he's also kinda of 'neg' her straight away. ''Who are you!!!'. 'Kelly'. 'Hmm....You're too short for me' kind of thing. Now, in the UK, unless she happens to be super social and …
/r/seduction23/07/20 07:35 AM
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I'ts very different. Culturally, we don't really talk to strangers and find it slightly odd. Not all girls, but a much larger percentage of girls than would find it weird in America for example. UK is very cliquey too. You kind of need an intro. Doesn't mean you can't get laid doing it. In fact, most of my lays have come from cold approach (night game in bars). But the whole thing is a lot harder. There's an extra layer of weirdness you have to get through as most girls are like 'Ok. I don't kno…
/r/seduction22/07/20 05:05 PM
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fair enough. Anything that gets someone to approach is good I guess. But there's still people out there spending tonnes of money on course after course expecting to learn something that will make girls receptive to their cold approach and assuming they must be doing something 'wrong', when the truth is, you just weren't her type. They've been brainwashed into thinking 'Ahh! Maybe I can make her wanna bang me if I 'neg' her and maybe tell her a DHV story about the time I wretled a bear. Or maybe …
/r/seduction22/07/20 04:38 PM
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kinda like the mysterymethod. But ALL 'game' really is cringey, tbh. Guys who get laid aren't doing any 'game', tbh. They're just themselves. And they're either good looking OR they are at least decent looking IN HER EYES. And different girls have different physical tastes. Then they just chat with girls, ask them quetsions (no fucking cringey cold reads, please!!!) and IF they can tell she thinks he's hot (have self awarenesS!!) he'll flirt and escalate. All this canned pushpull, neg, opinion o…
/r/seduction22/07/20 04:15 PM
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'make the move'? Is she into you? If not, don't make the move. Find a new girl If you're pretty sure she thinks you're hot, just flirt with her. Give her a compliment or whatever
/r/seduction21/07/20 11:49 AM
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nothing 'works'. (and everything works) Man, I wish people weren't wasting money on this PUA stuff. They all use different 'techniques'/styles (direct, indirect, mysterymethod, cockyfunny, serious, etc etc) because it's irellevant. They all open girls, and IF she thinks he's hot, then he has a good shot at banging her, because you don't tend to need to do anything special ('game') to close the deal if she's attracted. Flirt, show intent, escalate. Only Edward Scissorhands needs to be taught how …
/r/seduction21/07/20 11:46 AM
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It's life, bro. Despite the PUA marketing, girls aren't robots! They like good looking guys just like how we go for good looking girls. I have 2 very handsome friends who have had girls throwing themselves at him since I was a kid and i'm aware of how it works BUT, tastes do vary somewhat, and there's honestly probably a few hot girls out there who think you're better looking than your bro! It might only be a small percentage of girls, but that's where 'numbers game'/cold approach etc comes in! …
/r/seduction20/07/20 09:02 PM
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You're in it
/r/seduction13/07/20 09:08 PM
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If she thinks you're hot, then you just need to flirt and esalate. If she doesn't, move on.
/r/seduction12/07/20 10:33 AM
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'Seduce' isn't really the right word. You can't make someone want you (in a sexual way) who isn't attracted to you (same as an ugly fat girl trying to 'seduce' you. Ain't gonna happen ) But, you'd try to bang her same as any other girl. Flirt, tease etc. If she's into you, it's kind of obvious. At that point, you need to be brave and escaalte
/r/seduction10/07/20 12:26 PM
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it's OK. Never pay for this stuff, though. Just torrrent it
/r/seduction10/07/20 06:50 AM
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ok, now I feel old! Older than 31 and banged an 18 year old fairly recently lol.
/r/seduction09/07/20 06:27 PM
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game is really about just not being so weird that she loses interest in you, and about having the balls to actually escalate. The important part is her attraction which you need, which is why to increase your chances you need to get as ripped and stuff as possible. Without sexual attraction from her (she thinks you're hot) there's no game
/r/seduction09/07/20 07:25 AM
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you can't negotiate attraction, i'm afraid
/r/seduction08/07/20 10:24 AM
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As with all game, it can help IF she is already kinda into you. No game is magic though and can force attraction in a completely unnattracted girl (e.g you're just not her type)
/r/seduction08/07/20 08:52 AM
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it's not a big deal, tbh. Me and my brothers both brought young girls back to our parents house when we were in our late 20's (rent is expensive as hell around here. England). Girls don't really care. ESPECIALLY in the moment!!
/r/seduction08/07/20 08:50 AM
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There's kind of nothing to 'learn' really, unless you are Edward Scisorhands. Approach girls, say hi, ask questions, make statements and stuff, and make sure you show some intent at some point. Flirt a bit. If/When you can tell she's into you, escalate more. If you're not her type, it's fairly obvious, at which point you move on to the next girl
/r/seduction07/07/20 08:56 PM
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Your looks do not matter, how much effort you are shown to put into them to look presentable does not really true, tbh. She needs to think you are hot/handsome whatever in order to want to have sex with you. Doesn't matter how much effort you put in to look presentable if you're not her type, i'm afraid Same as you when choosing a girl. Doesn't matter that she's brought a new dress and cleaned her hair etc. If you don't think she's hot, you ain't interested
/r/seduction26/06/20 09:57 PM
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torero was even forced to admit he'd used actresses in an infield after he was exposed lol
/r/seduction23/06/20 04:40 PM
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I always feel that approach is real life version of dating apps, if she likes your appearance within 5 seconds then she wants prolong the conversation if she doesnt like the look then we blows the guy out with boyfriend excuse. Pretty much, yes. It's basically real life tinder lol. (don't believe what these PUA coaches who want your money tell you lol) But Play the numbers game. Approach enough girls and you'll find some hot girls who think you're hot too, even if most other girls don't.
/r/seduction23/06/20 01:17 PM
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nowadays Negs anywhere close to the opener on a stranger will get you a 'whatever. Byeeee' and she'll walk away or just look at youlike you're a retard lol. (unless she thinks you're super handsome). DHV'ing is kind of unnecessary. Comes across a big braggy even when done well, plus she really doesn't care much either way. If she likes you, it doesn't matter. If shes NOT attracted to you, your DHV stories ain't gonna do shit
/r/seduction22/06/20 08:37 AM
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that's basically marketing stuff lol You can't MAKE a girl want you. If you could, it would be a super power and we'd all be doing it and we'd all be sharing stories of banging victoria secret models each weekend lol She needs to be physically attracted to you FIRST. That's basically out of your control (although different girls have different tastes) From THAT point, game (a mixture of showing confidence, teasing, pushpull, etc etc) will help you close the deal But 'game' won't make a girl go f…
/r/seduction07/06/20 08:11 AM
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that only works on older women. Young girls in my experience couldn't care less. If they think you are good looking, you can live in your mums basement and be forever jobless. I've seen that happen TONNES of times for good looking dudes lol Money isn't 'attraction'. She's 'attracted' too a guy she thinks is handsome and sexy. Money doesn't make her 'attracted'
/r/seduction07/06/20 08:06 AM
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these friends just handsome slayers? hot Girls throwing themselves at you and threesomes and stuff is pretty rare, and basically reserved for very good looking dudes
/r/seduction29/05/20 01:06 PM
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what do you think you've learnt in practical terms out of interest? Imagine appraoching a girl in a bar. How will you open a lead the convo? What sort of tricks do you have up your sleeve if she doesn't seem interested in you?
/r/seduction17/05/20 01:44 PM
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Easier to get laid. That's why 95% of professional 'PUA's results come from tourists. I stayed in hostels in eastern Europe (i'm from the UK). Got laid 'nearly' ever night as I found some wingmen and we approached like mad! Lots of the girls you meet are just looking for adventure. They have their defenses down and aren't concerned about looking like a slut like they might do if they were at home as if they are also travelling alone or whatever, they have anonymity like you do But I didn't get s…
/r/seduction17/05/20 07:42 AM
1

I've been tempted to do this loads of times with one 10/10 who happens to live close to me. I've followed her, but she hasn't followed me back or liked any of my pics. In other words, i'm not her physical type, so there's zero point lol Basically, don't do it unless it's clear she's into you. You'll just look like a creeper lol
/r/seduction16/05/20 08:48 AM
1

teevster says that a base level of attraction is necessary for PUA tactics like pushpull, qualification etc to work
/r/seduction14/05/20 09:39 AM
1

IN a word, 'no'
/r/seduction14/05/20 09:38 AM
75

yes. Same as ALL game lol (it works when she's already attracted to you. That's why there's a million different seduction experts all doing it completely different and all getting results. (they all pull the girls that already kinda liked them) And it's why even the 'pros' get rejected a lot! (because you can't game the girls who aren't attracted. Doesn't work) Game = closing girls who think you're fairly hot. Having enough social skills to not completely mess it up
/r/seduction13/05/20 05:46 PM
1

bingo. I'm so glad to see more and more people are fucking waking up! People attribute their success to their 'game' without realising he basically had her at 'hi'
/r/seduction11/05/20 05:30 PM
3

fucking BINGO!! lol. So crazy how in this day and age, with girls DMing random good looking guys, people still push the narrative that girls don't care about looks lol. I'd go as far as to say they care MORE than WE do!
/r/seduction11/05/20 05:27 PM
1

lol, nah. It's basically the same for both men and women. Don't believe everything mystery told you ;)
/r/seduction10/05/20 10:54 AM
10

I love his flirting style, but don't forget Russell Brand relied on fame to get laid so much (with hot girls) When he went to Hawaii to film before he was that famous, none of the girls knew who he was, and as such he admitted to not getting laid and just masterbating in hotel rooms lol. As soon as he got back to England, he was in the newspapers the next day after having a threesome with a few UK 'page 3' models lol
/r/seduction09/05/20 02:56 PM
1

unlimited variables in human interation. Sometimes you might have done somthing 'wrong' like inability to hold eye contact or you said something that upset her, but most of the time, if you are rejected, you simply weren't her type and you need to move on to the next. (or she's in a very commited relationship etc) Game isn't black magic lol. If she's not into you, it was never gonna happen
/r/seduction01/05/20 08:54 AM
1

it's a scam. I downloaded it. Rubbish lol
/r/seduction26/04/20 08:56 AM
2

https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/7qkpju/gaming_a_girl_vs_talking_to_her/
/r/seduction26/04/20 07:46 AM
6

move on too a new girl. She's not attracted. Attracted girls won't reject escalation It's a numbers game
/r/seduction19/04/20 02:36 PM
24

Don't forget it only works on women who are attracted to you Many people try negging and disqualifying a girl (who isn't attracted to him) after he opens her in a bar and then straight away he is like 'I'm not sure about you'/'you and me wouldn't get along' etc etc and she just basically agrees and tells him to have a good night and ejects lol Similarly with 'negs'. Great to use to tease a girl who thinks you're hot. But Neg some hot young girl in a club straight after you open her when you aren…
/r/seduction18/04/20 06:41 PM
1

when a waiter used to see a pretty girl who was surrounded by men, or had a boyfriend, the waiter "accidentally" meet with the girl alone when she came out of the bathroom (Of course we aproached in a respectful way), some infidelities occurred thanks to this technique. How is that a 'technique'? - She still needs to think he's hot for anything to actually happen after he approaches her outside the bathroom
/r/seduction17/04/20 11:18 AM
0

get ripped. tattoos etc
/r/askTRP17/04/20 10:07 AM
1

run standard game back to my house How do you define standard game? negs (nice nails, are they real? no? shame), pushpull lines (you're cute.. Too bad you're not my type), disqualification (I'm not into you. We can be friends instead) etc? but tbh, with online dating, they just pick guys who they think are handsome. At that point, it's basically a done deal. We think it was our game, but sje just thinks we are handsome lol (that's why she swiped ;))
/r/seduction17/04/20 10:00 AM
11

girls still want to meet handsome dudes on hinge
/r/seduction16/04/20 07:03 PM
3

statements and cold reads are honestly no more 'efective' than just being normal and asking her questions tbh She’s been asked about her hoodies, birthplace, likes and dislikes hundreds of times. There's not a great deal left to talk about lol. People always say like 'After you open a girl, don't ask her boring stuff like name, age, hobbies, job etc. Ask her something interesting'' They never give examples, but rest assured, walking up too a girl in the street, NOT asking her the obvious things …
/r/seduction15/04/20 02:54 PM
3

field reports. Kinda like journal entries where people write about their various approaches. What they said. What happened on the approach etc etc
/r/seduction15/04/20 06:46 AM
4

FR's tend to get downvoted hard lol.
/r/seduction14/04/20 09:04 PM
1

go where the hot girls are (take up dance class or something)
/r/seduction14/04/20 08:55 PM
1

possibly, possibly
/r/seduction14/04/20 08:36 PM
1

prolonged. Non intense
/r/seduction14/04/20 01:10 PM
1

that goes for anywhere, tbh 'Game' can only take you so far - i,e, help you bang the girls that are already attracted to you You can't MAKE a girl attracted with pushpull lines and NLP/DHV stories etc lol. That's just marketing But social skills do matter to some extent of course. You will likely LOSE a lay from an attracted girl if you have zero social skills at all
/r/seduction13/04/20 09:56 PM
0

Neuro Lingustic programming?
/r/seduction13/04/20 06:55 PM
3

How is your day?” “What school do you go to?” “What music do you like?” type openers fall into the same category as look compliments, with both being unoriginal and overused by guys. What are your suggestions? TBH, that stuff works fine if she's attracted to you. It's not really boring. I think it's better than some of the super cringey stuff PUA'S say lol
/r/seduction13/04/20 11:13 AM
1

I take it as a big of an insult (as usually rejections in clubs etc from grils in bars can be fairly rude, like a palm in your face as you say 'hi', if she considers you too ugly for her) but I certainly never get angry at her lol. I just wish her a good night and move on. I guess there's also a kind of anger at the lies we are told as men (''girls don't care about looks'' etc). Which is obviously ridiculous when you see how girls react to handsome guys, but I guess if you hear something enough …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 03:49 PM
2

Roosh probably isn't much of a PUA to look up too. After years of approaching, his conclusion in his blog post was ''game is nothing more than a tool to be used on a girl who likes your general look.'' In other words, you probably don't really need 'game' (or at least anything remotely fancy) and looks are basically everything He's probably right though lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 03:46 PM
0

lol, that sort of 'seduction' is why the community is a laughing stock lol. That would just cringe all girls out. Super try-hard, pretenscious pseudo intellectual babble It might 'work' if she thinks you're hot, but then so would anything If you're not her type, of course talking like some 18th century poet ain't gonna help you! PS - you can always try it though! Just memorise some of them paragraphs and use them on girls. You'll see I'm right straight away
/r/seduction12/04/20 09:15 AM
4

you pay them. If money and power made girls attracted, people like Epstien and Weinstein etc wouldn't need to have resorted to rape lol
/r/seduction12/04/20 08:31 AM
1

i've made so many appraoches, and I honestly can't think of a difference in 'nastiness' between hot girls and not hot girls. IN fact, all of my worse experiences (in terms of rude, brutal rejections/insults etc) are from very average girls (who of course think they are gorgeous because they have 100 new guys per day hitting them up on insta and tinder lol)
/r/seduction11/04/20 09:49 PM
2

max rsd
/r/seduction09/04/20 10:07 PM
1

Girls are funny.
/r/seduction09/04/20 01:04 PM
2

You're probably just not her type. Game isn't some magic skill where you can get any girl you want. Not even REMOTELY close! You probably did nothing at all wrong. The same 'game' on a girl who is into you would havv been fine Don't overthink it or buy into this 'pua' stuff too much. It's all a numbers game. Even for the 'best'
/r/seduction08/04/20 07:44 AM
3

Where are you from? I noticed in lots of US infields from RSD and stuff, they shake a girls hand and introduce themselves to open. That would make you look weird as fuck in the UK lol She'd be thinking that she'd been plunged into a job interview that she'd forgot about or something
/r/seduction07/04/20 07:26 AM
3

true. Nobody wants to hear it though lol (''human nature hasn't changed bla bla bla ''). They don't get it
/r/seduction06/04/20 04:39 PM
2

It might be helpful to be aware of concepts but don't force them VERY powerful sentence. (not 'forcing' concepts) When I see someone open some hot girl, and run mysterymethod or Todd V style 'by the book' and neg her and disqualify her after the open etc (you're cute, too bad you;re not my type etc) and she's like 'yeah, I don't care. You never stood a chance lol. have a good night Bye!!'' and walks away, I cringe hard. Everything needs to be congruent and reactionary. Don't crowbar in lines or …
/r/seduction06/04/20 04:37 PM
0

Any book that makes you approach! That's it. That's where peoples results actually come from. On eventually opening a girl who is attracted. It's a numbers game, as they say. Your 'game' is ALMOST irrelevant, tbh. Just make sure to show some intent at some point in the interaction. If she thinks you're hot, that's basically enough. If you're not her type, you never stood a shot anyway lol
/r/seduction05/04/20 01:08 PM
3

Sounds like he's been killed by the mafia, tbh.
/r/seduction05/04/20 07:53 AM
1

I’d say about 7/10 cold approaches I would get the girls number. Wow. That's better than Tom Torero, Paul Janka and mystery and other PUA's. IGood stuff
/r/seduction05/04/20 07:49 AM
-2

I don't really think it's even a 'skill', tbh. I think it's basically an issue of you being her type or not (is she attracted to you or not) If she's not, then nothing is gonna work. Obviously And if she is, rather than practice and skill, it's more a matter of growing some balls and having the guts to show your intent and escalate. So probably best to spend the time working out, meditating, etc. Try to get into the right headspace where you take your shots etc
/r/seduction04/04/20 10:48 PM
1

I think the guys that laid at night simply approach lots and lots of girls and eventually find a girl who is into them. (and who obviously gives him 'screen time'). Or only 1 oe 2 girls if they are good looking
/r/seduction04/04/20 12:58 PM
6

efficient. Don't waste your time trying to 'game' girls who aren't attracted to you lol
/r/seduction03/04/20 09:58 AM
4

Are these girls who you can tell are attracted to you? If so, you can just start touching lots and even making some 'statements of intent' (Jeffy used to say things like 'Were you always hot or did you get hot later in life?' or something like that) It's only difficult really if it's a girl who you feel isn't attracted to you. At that point, you can be brave and try to show 'intent', but in my experience, it's best to just move on too a new girl who DOES think you are hot lol It's a numbers game
/r/seduction02/04/20 10:16 PM
2

Took me a long time to realise one of my main triggers: Jealousy/Envy! I realised that it was mainly when i'd heard about how the handsome guy in my friend group nailed yet another hot teen, my envy lead to me fapping! And it is jealousy. It wasn't that his story turned me on or anything. Just plain envy. Porn seemed to make it better and relsease that frustration
/r/seduction27/03/20 04:58 PM
10

the answer is to move on! If she's not attracted, go and find a girl who is and don't stress. It's all a numbers game.
/r/seduction25/03/20 07:07 PM
2

handsome DJ's ALWAYS get tonnes of girls :)
/r/seduction25/03/20 10:09 AM
1

i'd say so
/r/seduction19/03/20 11:58 AM
1

About 25 i'd say
/r/seduction14/03/20 02:33 PM
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