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| 1 | Misandry And Puritanism Fuels Prisons, Atrocities, And Fascism; Mark Rubio Seeks To Send Criminals (Men) And Immigrants (Men) To Infamous El Salvadoran Prison In The Name Of Protecting Women And Feminine Sexual Virtueeducation isnt only repetition and propaganda. letting people run with it all is a part of it all, educationally speaking that is. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/06/26 11:35 PM |
| 1 | The Tea App, Open Sourced Lynchingsi feel you don't really grasp the point. Those groups make some men murderous, and they act out in very predictable ways. See especially the rhetoric and actions taken against immigrant populations. That is a fairly direct causally related result of apps exactly like the tea app. That is literally how lynchings have always happened. I wouldn't particularly blame men in either side of that either, that is, the murderous rage that men come to feel towards those 'dangerous men' that women have been… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/25 09:12 PM |
| 14 | Men's version of Tea app?that is the way such groups ought to be too. the problem isnt necessarily people talking about their dating experiences; its the sense of vigilante justice that goes with the tea app that is the real problem. they arent 'gossiping among friends about the guys'; theyre trying to get retributive justice against them; like that is the stated aim of these sorts of feminist centered groups; 'protecting women from the perceived horrors of mexican immigrants and scary big black boys'. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/07/25 02:14 PM |
| 2 | The Tea App, Open Sourced Lynchingstrue, however as i said could it lead to actual lynchings? yes, cause historically that is what has always happened from that. if you consider it well, i think youll also see that the current efforts to deprot immigrants em masse is exactly that kind of lynching outcome. they are targeted men and using irrational fears regarding feminine sexuality to justify it. this app just open sources that hate spew. id also suggest things like beat downs from school onwards surrounding relationship dramaram… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/25 05:23 AM |
| 2 | On Coalition Building And Gender; Against Fascismim largely speaking of george washington, he was deeply opposed to political parties. the tradition stemming from then is why in america were relatively uniquely have so many people who are independent of any party affiliation; also likely why so relatively few folks vote in america; we despise party politics; our reps dont represent us; they represent themselves only; their party primarily; rather than the people theyve sworn to represent. roughly a whole third of the population and electorate;… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/25 07:56 PM |
| -11 | David And The Death Of FeminismExcuse me good sir or ma’am; as i suggested by way of the musical score to the post, the forthcoming rhythm of such posts as you describe shall be once a week at least. ‘Fresh poison each week’, til the whole damn world comes dance with me. i mean learning to read to be clear and to the point. neither life, this space, nor academics works the way you are describing. Im queering language and hence our concepts via our shiny new online tools. Its what philosophers do;) coloring outside the lines i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/05/25 07:54 PM |
| 1 | Puritanism And Fascism Go Hand In Hand, Tamp Down The Misandristic Puritanism And Avoid The Typical Disruption Of Our Organizing Effortsmasculine sexuality is culturally defined and relative, its an aesthetic. it refers to sexuality that is, relatively to a given culture, generally, or traditionally, performed by the men folk biologically speaking. queer masculine sexuality is also masculine sexuality, its queerness is relative to that given culture, however it is not limited to being performed by men folk biologically speaking. femdom would be, in our culture a masculine sexuality, in this modeling of it, as 'domming' is unders… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/25 12:35 AM |
| 1 | Puritanism And Fascism Go Hand In Hand, Tamp Down The Misandristic Puritanism And Avoid The Typical Disruption Of Our Organizing Effortsi read this as asking: how can we have aims if we arent aiming for some idealized norm. in which case id suggest that the issues therein lay at least with the limitations of reality on such idealizations. to aim for 'perfection' or 'being singularly correct' on some specific issue, topic, or series of questions, is to miss the reality for what it is, which exactly isnt singularly so defined. it is a kind of categorical error in thinking which presumes without particularly good evidence for it, t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/05/25 11:38 PM |
| 1 | Puritanism And Fascism Go Hand In Hand, Tamp Down The Misandristic Puritanism And Avoid The Typical Disruption Of Our Organizing Effortsi adore dei, i just think it needs to actually be inclusive to people of all kinds, including men and masculine queers, i think its failings are mostly attributable to that in particular. i adore dei bc it provides an actual means of achieving something akin to meritoriously determined stations at work or school, and it offers a wonderful check against nepotism in general too boot. the former due to either an assumption, belief, argument or ethic (take your pick), that all people were more or le… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/25 11:16 PM |
| 3 | 19 Y/O Immigrant Unconstitutionally Deported To El Salvador Because Hes The Wrong Kind Of Dudethe way that i am reading these kinds of issues is that fascism uses a specific style of gender relations, puritanism, which looks a lot like hot wife cuck husband 1950s americana, and it spans many political positions. fascism is a concept with specific characteristics to it. that it primarily targets men, and only secondarily targets women is one of them. to be blunt, far too many people on the left espouse outright fascistic views on sex, sexuality, and in particular men and masculine queers.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/05/25 11:03 PM |
| 3 | Puritanism And Fascism Go Hand In Hand, Tamp Down The Misandristic Puritanism And Avoid The Typical Disruption Of Our Organizing Effortsi think the aesthetic of guilt is important to the sexual fulfillment in that dynamic. the semi-criminal stature of men and masculine are crucial to maintain the sexual tension therein. the brute and the damsel. the claims of misogyny are a kind of loaded sin to which the semi-criminal male is defined by. their lust for women is also their crime. to show desire as a man towards a woman is uncouth, she is supposed to say no, she is supposed to be offended by it. she isnt, but that is the aestheti… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/04/25 05:32 PM |
| 1 | Puritanism And Fascism Go Hand In Hand, Tamp Down The Misandristic Puritanism And Avoid The Typical Disruption Of Our Organizing EffortsPositive Balance | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/25 12:18 AM |
| 1 | What a horrible court decision has been released in the UK today.it aint all women, it aint all feminists, but the irrational fear around their sex, gender, and sexuality is clearly a very feminine sort of fascist fear. they are vile people. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/04/25 11:24 PM |
| 1 | Racial and Gender Stereotypes: How White Women Perpetuate Divisions Between Brown Men and Womenits very much worth pointing out that this kind of phenomena is true across the board racially speaking. you can find them, i mean, among black cultures and latino cultures in the us, whereby the black and brown respectively do strikingly similar things. my point being this is a standard sort of 'its racism' kind of comment, which is good and fine, but oft in those kinds of comments the reality that its a phenomena of racism is lost in the attempts to make it about power or blame, by way of expl… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/25 10:57 PM |
| 0 | Labor And Men, Whats So Leftist About Mens Issues Anyways?huh. "Abstract We have studied the statistical mechanics of money circulation in a closed economic system. An explicit statistical formulation of the circulation velocity of money is presented for the first time by introducing the concept of holding time of money. The result indicates that the velocity is governed by behavior patterns of economic agents. Computer simulations have been carried out in order to demonstrate the shape of the holding time distribution. We find that, money circulation … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/03/25 07:04 PM |
| 1 | Labor And Men, Whats So Leftist About Mens Issues Anyways?i am not trying to be mean, sincerely, i know that shites hard to read over the internet. *cheerfully* I read your comment as if suggesting we should defend the status quo of the global trade system. 'the thing to do is resist tariffs' as you put it. and conversely that we ought not be taking advantage of the opportunities the open world wide trade wars present to us. that is the 'doing nothing' aspect to which i am referring. i disagree with your analysis on the vulture capitalists too, while i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/03/25 06:49 PM |
| 1 | Labor And Men, Whats So Leftist About Mens Issues Anyways?centralization of wealth is stemming from the global trade itself. that is how capitalism works, isnt it? it leaches off what it inhabits, with the larger the base it is drawing from, the more centralized the wealth becomes. but here now, think of it granularly. the imposition of a tariff, and at this point even the volatility of the threat of a tariff are ground to renegotiate trade contracts across the board. Suppose you were in a shit deal with, say, walmart. hence the link in the op. youre a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/03/25 06:22 PM |
| 2 | Labor And Men, Whats So Leftist About Mens Issues Anyways?i appreciate this reply, so giving it a thumbs up. trade relations ought be based on harmony between bioregions, but i agree with the sentiment youre expressing. The problem was that the now dead and dying world trade system was exactly entirely built on business concerns. its trade relations were predicated entirely upon a notion that 'we can better ourselves through capitalism by making things cheaper for consumers'. that has proven to be untrue. what youre saying is also true tho that trade r… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/25 09:41 PM |
| 1 | Labor And Men, Whats So Leftist About Mens Issues Anyways?organizing on labor is the solution to any sorts of threats youre referring to regarding ai and potential job loses. that is quite literally where Unions and the Labor movement stems from. those kinds of concerns are fuel for them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/25 09:27 PM |
| 2 | Labor And Men, Whats So Leftist About Mens Issues Anyways?UAW President offers straight talk to workers on tariffs the person who called for the may day 2028 general strike disagrees with you. It isnt an unpopular opinion, it is just one youre unfamiliar with. the view youre espousing, 'cost of eggs go down' is a neoliberal, neoconservative, and right wing Libertarian kind of view on economics. that is, where all that matters is consumer price. price go down mean everything good. that is what was used to justify the building of the now dead and dying g… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/25 09:21 PM |
| 1 | Labor And Men, Whats So Leftist About Mens Issues Anyways?thats kind of you to say, thanks. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/25 09:13 PM |
| 5 | Labor And Men, Whats So Leftist About Mens Issues Anyways?theyre fascistic, unfortunately. christian white nationalism is a version of fascism, and it is broadly what they support. also the economic modeling they are using is expressly fascistic, right wing Libertarian i mean. they arent shrinking the government, they are trying to make the federal government more powerful by vesting that power in the executive branch. They are also trying to end regulations as much as they can so that businesses, monied interests, can have as directly and corruptly a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/25 09:11 PM |
| 1 | Labor And Men, Whats So Leftist About Mens Issues Anyways?I take these as that, at least in part. Labor contracts and local gov regulations can be very effective methods of blocking fascistic movements. it breaks apart fascistic narratives which tend to be nationalistic towards more locally centered arenas, where local govs are far more influenced by their constituents than any on a federal level. the move toward the local is a good counter against fascistic movements in general. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/25 09:01 PM |
| -1 | Labor And Men, Whats So Leftist About Mens Issues Anyways?The neoliberal, neoconservative, and right wing Libertarian views of economics are the sources of that global trade empire you are so ardently defending. they were the ones in power over that global trade arrangement that just fell apart. that was them. the folks weve been targeting for the past, oh, 50 years or so from the left. what that is is an opportunity. you describing some hopeless and fatalistic call for people ignore it by pointing out how someone else might take advantage of it isnt h… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/25 08:51 PM |
| 1 | Labor And Men, Whats So Leftist About Mens Issues Anyways?i tend to agree, tho perhaps provided that folks actually take the initiative while the momentum is in their favor and sorta nude that process along the way through actionable kinds of actions. every country in the world tho is having to the opportunity to reevaluation all their trade relations, and Unions and organized labor more generally can also seize that opportunity by using labor contracts and local gov regulations to ensure what that development to be like, and utilizing entrepreneurial … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/25 08:44 PM |
| 3 | Labor And Men, Whats So Leftist About Mens Issues Anyways?this is the classic dem lib economic take that the Unions derided quite fervently too when the democrates abandoned them in favor of a more pro business model with clinton the first. im elder enough to recall that in the 90s. Unions were pissed af, and correctly too. it harmed Unions and local economies across the board. folks on the left been harping on bout that since the 90s actually. you are referring entirely to the cost of goods and services, and saying 'look, line is going down on prices,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/25 08:39 PM |
| 0 | Labor And Men, Whats So Leftist About Mens Issues Anyways?i have. youre espousing classic liberalistic economic theory, which is broadly what folks dont want. Its the 'line go up' view. the Real Economy doesnt proportionally benefit from line go up. thats why its called 'line go up'. insofar as it goes, i prefer the circulation valuation modeling. meaning the more locally money is circulated, the more often it will have transactions, and the actualized value of money lay more with the number of transactions made rather than hoard of wealth made. buying… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/25 07:35 PM |
| 2 | JD Vance: "Don't allow this broken culture to send you a message that you're a bad person because you're a man"not what i said. i said praising men and masculinity is common af, and what vance is doing isnt particularly novel. hes merely framing in the current discourse that uses language like misandry and misogyny. I also said that what vance is saying and leading people to is exceedingly misandristic, regardless of the words hes using to entice them there. id add that historically the language was a bit different, but what was typically said was more akin to denigrating 'effeminate values' and 'effemin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/02/25 04:29 AM |
| 2 | JD Vance: "Don't allow this broken culture to send you a message that you're a bad person because you're a man"you might be being too specific. i said similar to this, not 'the same as'. clearly vance is pandering to a specific demographic of the moment based on some rhetorical aspects in the discourse. there werent those rhetorical aspects in the past discourse, so there likely arent examples of the exact same language being used, though there may be, they'd just be hard to find (it isnt too hard to imagine a president responding to the prominent feminists of their day saying something more or less the … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/02/25 03:48 AM |
| 2 | JD Vance: "Don't allow this broken culture to send you a message that you're a bad person because you're a man"meh, what he means by this is that men ought be 'soldiers for the fascist army', and 'good workers for their masters' and 'good christians'. there isnt really anything pro man about what he is saying. its using a rhetorical flourish to try and coop mens issues as if they were the same as being a good soldier, a good christian, and a good worker. without being outright hostile to those roles per se, i heartily disagree that positioning that those are the ways of being good men is in any way shape… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/02/25 02:54 AM |
| 0 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Usits concern trolling. there are some folks here who are anti-gender studies types. their responses tend towards 'concerns' over styles, length of a post, suppositions of 'conciseness' or 'readability'. and anything that touches upon gender studies is viewed as wrong regardless of the content. they arent serious concerns, and given the number of views the posts get, i dont think they are even a substantial minority of people in this forum, maybe im wrong tho. its just a style of trolling that doe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/02/25 12:45 AM |
| 0 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Usconcern trolling. why yall spend so much time attacking style? i dont see anything in what youre saying. also, i literally butcher grammar so that i know when someone isnt serious as they comment on style and grammar rather than content. its an old school tactic on internet to avoid taking seriously what someone else is saying. if they go after gramma and style rather than content, then they are most def not serious interlocutors. sometimes i go out of my way, going back and retyping things to m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/25 09:29 PM |
| 0 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Ussee how easy it was to comprehend, even chat gpt can do it. it we took your 'concerns about complexity' seriously, we'd live in a meme, which isnt desirable. most of the time claims of ''communication skillz' just amount to people not appreciating whats being said. id suggest youd do far better simply taking the time to read and understand what someone says, rather than taking the rhetorical tact of attacking how they say it. youd do way better in being taken seriously for whatever it is that yo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/25 09:22 PM |
| -1 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Usi literally said that i dont think people are too stupid to understand this. "ive read your 'offer to help', and like i said, i trust people to be capable of reading and understanding relatively complex things. id go so far as to say that if they arentl, they deserve the opportunity to do so, which is what i am offering, in whatever modest capacity i can." the people commenting that it is too long or too hard, oft without even reading it in the first place, are making that 'people just dumb' kin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/25 09:06 PM |
| 0 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Usbut its not the world, its like the same people saying the same things that have been proven wrong over and over again, e.g. people dont read. We'd do better writing a meme, or some other such thing. if i listened to people in the comments of anything anywhere i posted who were just blindly critical, id be doing myself a disservice. if i post something in a feminism sub, and they comment 'u sux', i dont really take it seriously. I just dont. no one should. its emotion posting. if i post somethin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/25 08:59 PM |
| 0 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Ustrue, ive not bothered to defend the content of the post to these people, as their point doesnt seem to be that there is something off with the content, so much as the length of the post itself, and a supposition that people are incapable of reading 'something that long'. as soon as someone wants to contest something about the content of the post, id be happy to respond to it. as it is, i just dont think people have disagreement with the content. likely bc its correct. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/02/25 06:10 AM |
| 0 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Usi just, idk my lady or dude. im non anon. my name is literally eli ashe. ive posted my facebook and other socials long time ago to avoid this kind of personal attack method. swung and missed twice? ive swung dozens of times on this forum, and i mean, howsoever you feel about those the content there, i dont think its a 'miss'. i dont even really know what you mean by that tbh? ive read your 'offer to help', and like i said, i trust people to be capable of reading and understanding relatively comp… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/02/25 04:49 AM |
| 1 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Usuh huh, non-sequitur to the points. why would you assume that people who are against fascism wouldnt appreciate a video describing what fascism is, and how to combat it? seems like some pretty straight forwards leftswing stuff tbh. why didnt you watch it? why you making a big deal bout it, instead of discussing the contexts of the post? they arent that difficult to discuss tbh. but i can think of a lot of right wng reasons why not to discuss them, and why to try and dissuade from discussing them… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/02/25 03:51 AM |
| -1 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Usimma be a bit flippant here, cause i think that appropriate response. hi, i am a human that writes stuff. its stuffy stuff. congrats. i dont think people are idiots or need to have their hands held in order to read what are, in all honestly pretty basic stuffs. high school students are regularly subjected to reading this level of content. this isnt even particularly college of university level content. ive literally taught this stuff to elementary school aged people. it isnt that difficult. i di… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/02/25 03:41 AM |
| -2 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Usdarling, that you think what i wrote is 'inaccessible' more speaking towards your ignorance as to what actual academic writing is, than anything i wrote. i just distilled three volumes of 'southern capitalism' as well as multiple volumes on black american history into a post that is like, what, seven pages? at most. the problem is entirely that you dont read, and you dont want people to read, you want them to emote on memes that serve whatever silly purpose you want. if you had understood the di… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/02/25 01:55 AM |
| 1 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Uslike others in the comments, non-sequitur to the points of the post. id suggest this is a bot response, but it may just be a silly tactic. just note im no fan of intersectionality, this post has little or nothing to do with intersectionality, how this post provides pragmatic and conceptual means of conter to the bs narratives in the currents across the board (regardless of politics), indeed, most of what this 'person' says has no relation to, is 'non-sequitur' to what the OP has said. such is a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/25 11:41 PM |
| 0 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Usi will, and we all will. i appreciate your goodwill. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/25 11:19 PM |
| -1 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Usi can see the views on the posts tho..... there are reasons i keep posting here. youre still being non-sequitur to the points made too. there is irony to be had, as the post suggest a serious mode of attack based on the conceptual origins of Patriarchal Realism, and how it is that there are problems within the feminist and gender studies programs which rely on a false narratives to uphold their positions, and how those narratives overlap with the fascistic narratives, right wing narratives. slog… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/25 09:29 PM |
| -5 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Usnon-sequitur to the points. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/25 09:10 PM |
| 1 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Usavoid memes, be wordy. enjoy language and its uses. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/25 09:08 PM |
| -5 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Usyes yes yes, we're all familiar with the 'make a slogan bc people are stupid' response to words being used in ways that make someone feel uncomfortable. personally, i dont take those criticisms seriously, as they are disingenuous, anti-intellectual, and condescending to people. I trust that people have the capacity to read and understand things, and that doing so is good for them, good for leftwing politics, and good for mens issues. no, it isnt the first time you or others have seen me here, no… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/25 08:24 PM |
| 0 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Usid suggest the notion that something is 'too long to read' is entirely indicative of the problem. Its noteworthy, for instance, that you dont really respond to anything said in the post, instead offering a pithy reply on a topic that is, at best, tangentially related by dint of being a criticism of 'leftism' as 'collectivism'. in an ostensibly leftist space. thats what happens when reading is treated as a problem, rather than a solution. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/25 08:15 PM |
| -1 | Patriarchal Realism As The Capitalist Class, Misandry In The Horror Story Of America; We’d Be Fooling Ourselves If We Didn’t Realize There Were Some Enemies Among Usmemeing yourself to hell isnt the proper solution. we tried that, it goes badly. that is what twitter is for. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/25 08:09 PM |
| 12 | Easier to accuse someone of being a racist than a misandristit makes sense that misandry peaks in conjunction with racism. id say that it doesnt have to be that way, i am not a huge fan of intersectionality per se, but especially in the case of misandry racism in particular magnifies the misandry. i think this is so due to the fear base of misandry. that is, people fear men and that fear is foundational to their misandristic takes. this is the whole ingroup outgroup males, which runs deeper than racism, but definitely also manifests itself via racism. he… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/02/25 09:01 PM |
| 9 | Can we return the sub to leftist male advocacy?there are some goods to be had in what OP is saying, but like others in the comments i think OP just belongs in menslib, the simping for feminist reddit. i have had a somewhat difficult time knowing to what degree i ought really be posting more directly and deliberately leftist content here, ive assumed it best to keep it towards mens issues without veering into neoclassical rightwing talking points. OP tho is making a critical fallacy by predicating feminism as leftist, feminism isnt leftist, i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/25 07:05 PM |
| 2 | I talked to the DEI officers at work about men's issues - Part 2good work, keep going at it, and others would do well to follow the same in their own spheres. id even suggest utilizing these posts as examples to sort get the ball rolling with your local dei folks. share them with them i mean. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/02/25 04:49 PM |
| 9 | Found this on Facebook. People are of course losing their minds in the comments section.its just aesthetics, so much of the problems in the world are people conflating aesthetics with ethically obligatory sorts of things, or the other way round. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 07/02/25 11:58 PM |
| 1 | Misandry And Puritanism Fuels Prisons, Atrocities, And Fascism; Mark Rubio Seeks To Send Criminals (Men) And Immigrants (Men) To Infamous El Salvadoran Prison In The Name Of Protecting Women And Feminine Sexual Virtueit is, but it isnt as time consuming as folks seem to make it out to be either, and there are boons associated with that are seemingly not obvious. there is something note worthy of being able to speak towards a topic at length and thereafter have more meaningful and purposefully relevant information and even argumentative efforts on the topic. i watched part of the 'debate' between destiny and finklestein, see here; destiny is such a fucking clown lmao. like, there isnt even a contest there, he… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/02/25 11:47 PM |
| 2 | Discussing gender issues--my friend wants me to abandon the 'MRA' label because they feel the movement is beyond redemption and I don't want to be guilty by association of propping up the far rightyoure not wrong, it has been and continues to be a fight. id maintain tho that it is a fight, and it is the correct battlefield to wage that fight upon. not 'anti-feminist' or 'anti-meninest' nor 'anti-queer', but rather, we need to be able to understand these issues within a broad gendered context and roughly neutral frame within which we can make claims of asymmetries, problems, and so forth without tacitly or explicitly vilifying whole classes of people. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/02/25 02:01 AM |
| 1 | Misandry And Puritanism Fuels Prisons, Atrocities, And Fascism; Mark Rubio Seeks To Send Criminals (Men) And Immigrants (Men) To Infamous El Salvadoran Prison In The Name Of Protecting Women And Feminine Sexual Virtuethe connection between racism and misandry has long been noted, correctly. far too oft tho its used to highlight the racism and claim that the misandry doesnt exist. bc 'misandry isnt real' is a too common belief, one they think upholds their theories. turns out racism is real, and men come in all races shapes and colors. also turns out that when you refuse to admit that something is real, like misandry, you enable it to flourish, much to chagrin and horror for everyone involved. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/02/25 01:54 AM |
| 2 | Misandry And Puritanism Fuels Prisons, Atrocities, And Fascism; Mark Rubio Seeks To Send Criminals (Men) And Immigrants (Men) To Infamous El Salvadoran Prison In The Name Of Protecting Women And Feminine Sexual VirtueI cant tell if youre serious or not, but personally i think folks in general need to reacquaint themselves with longer form writing and thought. the memefication of human thought has not gone well. we got into this mess via memes, easy thought. we can get out of it by way of thoughtful writing and learning to read well. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/02/25 01:48 AM |
| 7 | Discussing gender issues--my friend wants me to abandon the 'MRA' label because they feel the movement is beyond redemption and I don't want to be guilty by association of propping up the far rightive never been one to be much concerned with labels, your friends ought understand you well enough as a person to not be caught up on a label one way or another. I tend to disagree that mra has become 'problematic' just because some folks use it in 'thus and such' a way, for the same reason as i do about feminism. some feminists actively advocate for harming men, and really quite a few other pretty horrible things. I dont think the term feminisms ought be abandoned bc of it. i do tend towards a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/02/25 05:39 PM |
| 23 | Discussing gender issues--my friend wants me to abandon the 'MRA' label because they feel the movement is beyond redemption and I don't want to be guilty by association of propping up the far rightthis does, unfortunately, seem to be a common direction that 'profeminist mens issues' groups go. i dont think it ought to, and i dont think it has to tho. its quite plausible to be profeminist and promeninist and indeed proqueerist while viewing these as distinct tho interconnected aspects. id caution against understanding the 'camps' here as 'pro or anti feminist' in other words. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/02/25 05:25 PM |
| 0 | at which point misandry starts?this attitude seems to be relatively prevalent, i mean the 'good reasons' or 'justifiable reasons' via trauma. this is false tho. trauma is misleading in that way. it overly simplifies problems in ways that are grossly out of line with reality. its the 'tiger in the woods' problem. people learn to fear tigers in the woods, the thought goes, because their ancestors were traumatized into being deathly afraid of them, and for good reason. the trauma response is to categorize all tigers the same whi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/25 01:52 AM |
| 4 | I've come to dislike much of feminisim both in theory and community - but I also dislike anti-feminists.i think the biggest problem i see with how you are trying to frame and understand these issues is that your still trying to cram all the problems under the patriarchy clause. this is an issue with 'idealization of a problem', where instead of viewing issues in their proper contexts, folks will try to understand them under a simplified and almost entirely wrong rubric. Its like when people blame everything in america on communism, even tho communism isnt the thing being used, not even remotely th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/02/25 11:30 PM |
| 1 | What “Gendering State Deportations And Immigrant Organizing”, monisha das gupta, can tell us about The Lanken Riley Act, the current efforts at mass deportation, and how to properly and effectively stop it.Trump Comments About 'Illegal Aliens' Inspire New Trend From Critics That trend, humanize the primary targets here, men and masculinity. utterly destroy them with love and compassion. From the article, itself quoting from the tictok post: "Lourdes Duque (@.ignorantslut), 21, a Chapman University student from California, shared a clip of her grandfather, Simon Navarro, 80, happily enjoying a cake on TikTok. The video has garnered 2.6 million likes and 10.4 million views.. Speaking about her grand… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/01/25 04:11 AM |
| 13 | Prisons are for men..... onlyironically this will entail blaming men for women's actions, imprisoning them in their stead, in the name of 'keeping families together'. bc, just like with immigration see here, men are viewed as 'not caregivers' to families. this justifies lighter sentencing for women, heavier sentencing for men, targeting men, and looking the other way when women do crimes. thats just like a pretty basic gender theory read of what goes on. this upholds the 'ideal family', 1950s americana. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 29/01/25 06:23 PM |
| 12 | The very famous and influential philosophers Plato, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche agree on de facto nothing, but they all more or less agree on women, and they would have all been fiercely opposed to any kind of feminism.this is false. i am uncertain on schopenhauer, but Plato expressly believed in an equal society between men and women. in many ways the america society and culture is built off of his Republic. it was class based, but in each class he felt that men and women ought be equal. nietzsche is more complex, he admired women for their aesthetics which is what he was big on. he despised 'equality' but not necessarily based on gendered grounds. he says, for instance that women ought not be educated like m… | /r/MensRights | 29/01/25 01:20 AM |
| 0 | DEI mandates backfired disastrouslyTruth is hard to hear. everyone's life is about to get worse. Ive been in Labor, i know how the hiring and firing practices work. ive done negotiations and dialoging with hr. their interests are entirely towards promoting ass kissers, bc duh. you dont even have to think about it much tbh. what do you really expect them to do? the trump admin is a great example of this, all he cares about is LOYALTY. thats it. there is no merit to be had there beyond 'will you be loyal or not', and that amounts t… | /r/MensRights | 28/01/25 11:10 PM |
| 0 | DEI mandates backfired disastrouslynah, DEI corrects for peoples tendencies towards racism and sexism, e.g. nepotisms. picking your friends, your ingrouped people, and pretending that they 'deserved it'. that is all 'meritocracy' can possibly be without serious checks upon that tendency. DEI choses from among qualified candidates, and services as a real check on your boss's ability to simply promote their friends. which is what is going to happen to any place that gets rid of their DEI policies. your ages will go down, you will b… | /r/MensRights | 28/01/25 10:48 PM |
| -1 | DEI mandates backfired disastrouslythere is no such thing as meritocracy without means to control against nepotisms, corruption, racism, and sexism. this has long been well understood. DEI provides those kinds of checks. folks against DEI are just shooting themselves in the head. you think the boss is going to what? pick you and not his or her son, daughter, favorite, etc....? That is entirely the way it was in the before times, businesses were simply corrupt organizations that gave promotions, jobs, benefits, and boons to their … | /r/MensRights | 28/01/25 09:56 PM |
| 1 | “misogyny IS the root of misandry”its insanity. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 28/01/25 07:29 PM |
| 24 | The Untold Abuse of Black Male Slaves by White Women | Part Twothere is an absurdity here whereby people who talk about slavery talk about it as if women didnt own slaves, and were really just has hapless a victim as the slaves themselves. This is due to the ahistorical analysis that is Patriarchal Realism, adherence to the story that women were oppressed since the dawn of time is far more important that silly facts, reason, rationality, history, etc.... Women are known to have raped male slaves with regularity, and oft enough present that as if they were t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/25 06:25 PM |
| 3 | This Is Way Too Farnote that the inverse, using sex to con people out of other things isnt mentioned. pretending to be sexually interested, just to get that bank or whatever. that kind of common phenomena is celebrated, and normalized, bc when women do the same thing it is legal. "but women arent capable of having that conversation yet" puritans. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 28/01/25 06:09 PM |
| 15 | Are women more likely to under-report being victims of sexual violence or men (in the UK)?Making a girl believe you like her just so you can have sex with her ought be sexual assault understand this is what they mean in those studies, there is nothing to them in other words. they are merely surveys of people where the questions asked are anything but 'have you been raped', and the people translate those answers into 'yes i have been raped and didnt report it'. they use, for instance, 'unwanted' as a stand in for rape or sexual assault, and indeed trickery as the linked post notes. th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/25 06:07 PM |
| 3 | What “Gendering State Deportations And Immigrant Organizing”, monisha das gupta, can tell us about The Lanken Riley Act, the current efforts at mass deportation, and how to properly and effectively stop it.ICE Conducts Made-for-TV Raids as Cities from Chicago to Newark Resist Trump's Immigration Crackdown “They will continue to target people who are ‘dangerous’” Its the whole name of the game at this point. Note that unfortunately nowhere in this coverage do they mention that men are the main targets, but instead focus on the abstracted ‘criminal or not’ status, as if it were fine and good, maybe even great if they were criminals. Not of course that they say that directly, but that is the overall … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/25 06:01 PM |
| 1 | The tv Admin Is Targeting Immigrant Men, As Do Most Immigration PoliciesI was going to respond to this sooner, but was busy working on a related post to the point, see here for a long response if you want. In short form, most detainees and deportations are not over criminal offenses. Most stop and frisks are not over criminal offenses. but 90% of detainees and deportations are men. Because men are targeted for it. likewise, 90% of stop and frisks are men, because men are targeted for it. if youve spent any time on this forum, youd know that sexual abuse of men, espe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/01/25 07:12 PM |
| 2 | Liz Plank sexually assaulting men in the streets calling it activismoh, i mean i dont disagree with your point, if she actually believes that grabbing someone by the waist is sexual assault, then she is willfully committing what she believes to be crimes. which is fucked up. id suggest that part of the absurdity of her actions tho is that it just clearly isnt sexual assault. like, she displays how unlike sexual assault it really is. no one is getting hurt by what she is doing. people might be somewhat annoyed with the asinine way she is doing it, but there just … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/01/25 01:50 AM |
| 21 | This video perfectly sums up my approach to the men not interacting with women anymore topic.i think its a bit worse than just plausible deniability tho. there is power to be had by way of being in the receiving position. it clearly privileges folks such that the same kinds of behaviors are treated wildly differently. for the initiators, behavior is scrutinized, tabooed, and criminalized, for the receivers the same kinds of behaviors are praised and encouraged. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/01/25 05:57 PM |
| 4 | Liz Plank sexually assaulting men in the streets calling it activismsee, its the 'sexually harassing' thing that really bothers me here. while randomly going around grabbing people's waists is odd, the notion that it would be sexual harassment to do so is vile. I mean, a big moral bad, as it criminalizes something that is really just a normal, and fine sort of thing for people to do. I think women ought flirt via touch more, a lot more. that there is nothing wrong with human touch at all. that this person is, from what i can tell from OP, attempting to 'make a p… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/01/25 05:54 PM |
| 33 | This video perfectly sums up my approach to the men not interacting with women anymore topic.do tend to agree here. i suspect that a huge portion of the gendered problems can be dealt with simply by having women take a more proactive role in their own sex and love lives. not only would it enable people to experience the full range of the dating and sex experiences, thus giving them better empathy and insight into each other, but it would also defang much of the bs discourse that is out there on the gendered dating topics. im old enough and have been active enough in the dating scene to … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/01/25 04:34 PM |
| 1 | Liz Plank sexually assaulting men in the streets calling it activismid be more on board with her doing so if it wasnt cloaked in puritanism, e.g. she is trying to make a point regarding how human touch is bad. as it is, i dont feel any outrage over a woman, or a man touching someone's waist. human touch isnt a bad thing, and ought not be vilified. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/01/25 04:23 PM |
| 3 | The tv Admin Is Targeting Immigrant Men, As Do Most Immigration Policiesget the little kids in there too. really drive the point home. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/01/25 04:13 PM |
| 3 | The tv Admin Is Targeting Immigrant Men, As Do Most Immigration Policiesits important to frame it and push it as a misandry issue too. folks are going to be talking about this a lot at least for the next few years. pointing out how wildly disproportionately this affects men is a good way of inserting into the dialogues going on already how misandry fuels these issues. its also a good way of drawing attention to the reality that men face the prison system due to misandry, not inherent criminality of themselves. there is no crime happening with immigrants. the detaine… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/01/25 04:13 PM |
| 1 | ????never cede ground on this point. raping men, sexually harassing men, and sexually assaulting men has been legal for at least the past several hundred years, especially if it was done by women. that they were not counted, doesnt mean they didnt happen. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 22/01/25 10:51 PM |
| 1 | Metaphysics of Race, Gender and Sexuality - Some Terminologythe distinction between sex and gender is one of the major developments. disentangling these terms which were confused by their common usage. that is exactly one aspect of academics; to disabuse folks of the confusions they have in their common understanding. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/01/25 10:51 PM |
| 1 | Metaphysics of Race, Gender and Sexuality - Some Terminologypeople dont follow the academic language usage for a lot of things. which is plausibly fine. folks dont have to speak in the language of academics. what becomes exceedingly awful is when folks make pretense to being of academic merit and stature in their dispositions, and use confused language, concepts, etc.... rather than taking the time to learn the proper terms. its not much different than folks making pretense to being scientists. there are problems too with folks conflating pop gender theo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/01/25 06:13 PM |
| 4 | Extremely tired of hearing the term "rape culture"its a puritanical term, meaning a term that is overly moralistic of sexuality. specifically it overly moralizes male sexuality, claiming that any sort of sexualized interaction that isnt verbally expressly agreed to beforehand is 'sexual violence'. is crazy bullshit. its witch burner talk. i aint saying you shouldnt take it seriously, witch burners are witch burners, they burn people over wild make believe stories and moralized dispositions regarding sexuality. its what they do. but dont ever pr… | /r/MensRights | 18/01/25 06:27 AM |
| 3 | Israel to release 50 Palestinian prisoners including 30 serving life sentences for each female soldier hostagethe reality is that it is so normalized, misandry that is, that people will mouth it and say it doesnt exist at the same time, in the same breath, by the same utterance, by the same concept. "women and children" - leaves men and little boys breathless. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/01/25 03:13 AM |
| 11 | Missandryist really defending Margret Thatcher💀this is directly tied to the storytime of Patriarchal Realism as noted here, the belief that is that women have never wielded power. the overwhelming majority of human history was aristocracies, in which men, women and queers alike held power in courts. women held tremendous power in the aristocracies. whats missing is a history of it. which you can view in two ways. [insane way] women didnt exist or exert power at all. they did nothing in history. they were histories passive fuck dolls, even qu… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 18/01/25 01:50 AM |
| 1 | Male survivors 'ignored' as their abuse is classified as 'violence against women'"The term 'violence against women and girls' refers to acts of violence or abuse that we know disproportionately affect women and girls. Crimes and behaviour covered by this term include rape and other sexual offences, domestic abuse and stalking. "Men and boys can obviously be victims of those crimes as well, and many of the measures we have introduced apply equally to them too, including the launch of new Domestic Abuse Protection Orders, the strengthening of anti-stalking powers and plans to … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/01/25 01:28 AM |
| 2 | But..but MGM is not worse than FGM:as i understand it, biologically male circumcision is directly comparable to certain forms of female circumcision, namely that which circumcises only part of the hood around the clitoris, and biologically that is the part that is circumcised on boys. as in, that is the same tissue which develops into the foreskin. Development of the Human Penis and Clitoris - PMC when done in comparable medical precision, at well developed hospitals, the outcomes between these procedures is largely the same. the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/01/25 01:05 AM |
| 1 | "Male High School Students More Likely Than Females to Ask for Verbal Consent Before Sex"- A recent survey by CDCim not a fan of the verbal asking for consent for everything, pretty sure that is puritanical nonsense for the most part at any rate. but there ought be no surprises that females are less likely to do so, as there has been zero efforts made for hundreds of years now to get them to do so. they freely rape, sexually assault, sexually harass, and so forth, in that they are neither taught not to, nor are there punishments if they do, nor are there many laws that really focus on their behavior. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/01/25 12:33 AM |
| 68 | Holy False Equivalence, Batmanits amazing the lengths these people go to, rather than just not be total fucking assholes to men. like, they will spend their whole lives striving to find arguments to justify just being complete pieces of garbage to men. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 18/01/25 12:24 AM |
| 3 | Metaphysics of Race, Gender and Sexuality - Some Terminologythat distinction between gender and sex is the main and perhaps only foundational point here. gender is subjective, to use the term from the vid, whereas sex is objective, and may be essential. it really is the separating of these aspects, the biology from the cultural, that constitutes a huge portion of what people refer to with differing genders. 'gender is not sex' is the key point. in the idealist/realist terms, gender is an ideal, it doesnt have a 'realist' component to it per se. sex is a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/01/25 11:47 PM |
| 1 | Metaphysics of Race, Gender and Sexuality - Some TerminologyRewatched the vid to see where this comes up, closest i could find is: 34:50 “why are these people so concerned with what makes a woman? Is it bc they are concerned with Truth? With facts? [setting aside here that Truth and fact are not the same thing]. Bc the science says so? ‘It really bugs me when people get facts wrong’. I dont think so, bc these are typically the same religious people who are not concerned with other sorts of facts. For instance evolution.” I dont think he is speaking of da… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/25 11:22 PM |
| 2 | Metaphysics of Race, Gender and Sexuality - Some Terminologytru | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/25 08:50 PM |
| 6 | Metaphysics of Race, Gender and Sexuality - Some Terminologyfwiw, this is an example of the disposition of hard-core empiricist objectivist essentialist types. among the best counters to it is simply to note that the stuff they are referring to as 'nonsense' nonetheless exists. They arent making ontological claims, in other words, they are making moralistic claims, e.g. 'that thing ought not exist', rather than 'that thing does not exist'. its akin to the pro-trans argument denoting that trans people exist, regardless of if someone views it as 'nonsense'… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/25 08:11 PM |
| 9 | I talked to the DEI officers at work about men's issuesstrong agreement with OP, and good work talking with those folks. im sure you are doing so, but be respectful, dialog only really happens and works well when folks are respectful towards each other. the inclusion of mens issues within the DEI framework is an excellent path forwards, as it provides folks primarily interested in womens or queer issues a pragmatic and meaningfully impactful path forwards. id suggest others follow OP's lead if they are able to. thanks to OP for making the effort. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/25 07:14 PM |
| 2 | Don't engage with their talking points. Engage with their hypocrisy instead. Watch these people exposed themselves.this is related to attacking their narrative, the story they are speaking, rather than any facts per se; going after the internal inconsistencies in their story is generally more effective because that is what they are ultimately relying upon, not facts or talking points. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 14/01/25 04:41 PM |
| 2 | Hatered won't keep you safe.whats funny here of course is that men have always been targeted by these types. black men, immigrant men, poor men, gay men, straight men, etc... thats why prisons populations are overwhelmingly male, people like those folks, puritanical types, targeting men and masculinity predicated upon the perception that women's sexuality needs protecting. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 10/01/25 11:11 PM |
| 30 | Are attitudes towards abused men this bad across reddit?currently the biggest open debate is if misandry exists, if men can be hurt, abused, etc... sadly a lot of people are so delusional that they have come to believe that misandry doesnt exist, men cant be hurt, or abused, and so forth. short answer is yes, it is this bad across reddit. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/25 10:07 PM |
| 15 | Are attitudes towards abused men this bad across reddit?neolib and neoconservative are Liberals in the classic sense, meaning that they focus on individualism in their politics. so, individualists, individual rights, and so forth. the neo- prefix refers to a shift from classic Liberalism towards market liberalism. in other words, anyone who focuses on market solutions, individual achievements, etc... obama, clinton, pre-2020 biden, warren, but not say sanders or aoc. their distinction from neoconservative has to do largely with social issues. so reag… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/25 10:04 PM |
| 2 | This is disappointing to read:i believe you. you arent doing anything wrong. its still what needs be done. it isnt easy. they are living in a fairytale, a delusion that they are defending at all costs, Patriarchal Realism. its difficult to break people from their delusions, they tend to violently react to any challenge to their delusion, precisely bc it is a delusion, something technically fragile and easy to disprove. but it is what they've been taught to believe, its their worldview. its strongly akin to when you talk to a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/25 07:24 PM |
| 5 | "male privilege" is another manifestation of male hyper agency.this is fairly common sort of phenomena when you are dealing with ahistorical narratives, fairytales that people believe. in this case it is that men are privileged in society across the board, Patriarchal Realism ultimately. facts dont really matter as they arent really dealing with facts, they are dealing with narratives, stories they tell each other. even when you show them the facts, it is easier (mentally for them) to simply claim that you are lying, or to make up some other element of a st… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/25 07:17 PM |
| 1 | This is disappointing to read:i lean pretty heavily into mixed spaces, that is, coed not gender separationist. so ive some cause to disagree with these takes. however, i do think that there has been a distinctive loss of especially father figures in peoples lives due to work being done primarily away from home, and men disproportionately being task with such labors. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/25 06:48 PM |
| 2 | This is disappointing to read:discussing it is the proper course, as that is how culture is formed and adjusted. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/25 06:44 PM |
| 0 | This is disappointing to read:i dont see this in the universities. what i do see is a more measured correction for previous issues with historical revisionism, e.g. the cheery patriotic narratives of western civilization bringing enlightenment and nothing else to the world. there are folks online who aim towards revisionism to act as if 'western traditions' brought death and destruction and nothing else to the world. but in the universities that narrativized history isnt taught pretty much at all. you'll find classes that br… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/25 06:38 PM |
| 7 | Trans misandry is real.proximity to masculinity is proximity to being targeted for hate. fascism always targets men primarily. the targeting of men, be it transmen, or transwomen (treated as if men), queer men, straight men, black men, white men, etc.... doesnt matter as much as folks may think. what matters is that it is some category of men that are targeted. the 'good women' avoid those men, but the men are the main targets, bc people fear men. That fear, phobia, of men spreads especially among the feminine populat… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/25 06:16 PM |
| 2 | Trans misandry is real.whatever it takes man:) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/25 06:08 PM |
| 1 | Fascism and Authoritarianism, But Patriarchal Realism’s Conceptual Framework Doing Its Dirty Little Plays.yep, i sent it to chatgpt and it spat it out as a madlib that i had my cat fill out. that was keen of you to notice;) ahistorical refers to things that are especially failing to consider historical context, not facts per se. its related to 'historical accuracy' but is meaningfully and importantly different. historical accuracy refers mostly to facts, not context. so, for instance, i could point out that some women didnt have the right to get credit cards in their own names until 1974, this is a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/25 05:15 PM |
| 1 | Richard Reeves On The Daily Show, Many Of The Issues Discussed In This Forum Are MentionedI have not, i doubt that i will either. to me the main point is about getting mens issues on the table in general, and within the dem party in particular. that can be messy af, cause, for instance, we gotta handle the reality of liberals and neoliberals in the dem party, in addition to the reality of a variety of flavors of feminists and the less savory feministas. if he is focusing on mens economic output, that sounds bout right for obama and demlibs. not my fav, but whatever. i will say i actu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/01/25 04:52 PM |
| 3 | Richard Reeves On The Daily Show, Many Of The Issues Discussed In This Forum Are Mentionedtend to agree, the puritanical sex negative takes on male sexuality which pretend that all men are sexual predators in actuality or in waiting is a major aspect of mens issues. it is also something that clearly isnt stemming from the 'patriarchy' it is stemming directly from especially womens groups. i dont even want to say 'feminsits' or 'feminisms' though some of those groups and ideologies do have strong commitments towards such puritanical dispositions, its just more broadly a distinctly fem… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/01/25 11:41 PM |
| 3 | Richard Reeves On The Daily Show, Many Of The Issues Discussed In This Forum Are Mentionedi mean, it isnt a one to one relationship right? obama shamed black men before, its a common tactic. and just bc obama read it and put it on his good reads or whatever doesnt mean he is parroting it. the good of obama putting it on his good reads is simply that it puts it out there in an field of literate readers who would have otherwise not given it a second thought, or indeed, even a first thought. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/01/25 11:36 PM |
| 3 | Richard Reeves On The Daily Show, Many Of The Issues Discussed In This Forum Are Mentionedutilize his prominence to discuss the issues in a more complex and complete way. not just criticizing him or his views, but that the topic is brought up, add to it, built a positive feedback loop, one where this voice amplifies the issue, that voice amplifies some specific aspect thereof, not as a negative attack on the former, but as a positive position on the latter. in other words, simply saying 'revees boo' only really dampens the voice. saying 'revees brings up some important points on mens… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/01/25 10:22 PM |
| 1 | Richard Reeves On The Daily Show, Many Of The Issues Discussed In This Forum Are Mentionedsame, was always the youngen. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/01/25 10:13 PM |
| 27 | Richard Reeves On The Daily Show, Many Of The Issues Discussed In This Forum Are Mentionedi doubt that i agree with all revees' views, tbh i dont even really know them that well. the point tho isnt about whatever revees' particular views are, the point is that mens issue are being discussed and applauded for being discussed as mens issues within a rather massive leftist media space. thats actual progress. once the space is open to the discourse, that allows for more robust discussion and action on these issues. moreover, simply as a matter of leftist concerns, as leftists i mean, get… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/01/25 06:33 AM |
| 39 | Richard Reeves On The Daily Show, Many Of The Issues Discussed In This Forum Are Mentionedi'd say that among the main thrusts has to be to reframe this stuff as men are harmed by misandry. the harms of that accrue to men are not mediated by the harms that accrue to women. similar is tru for queers. queer issues are not secretly womens issues, e.g. misogyny in disguise. nor again are mens issues but derivatives of misogyny. decentering womens issues so that folks are allowed to have issues that arent just tangentially related to some issue women face is crucial for actually addressing… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/01/25 05:57 AM |
| 50 | Richard Reeves On The Daily Show, Many Of The Issues Discussed In This Forum Are Mentionedmaybe, but the reaction overall is what strikes me as far more important. that is a pretty leftie audience there. to hear them cheering instead of jeering revees is a significant change. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/01/25 05:54 AM |
| 2 | Feminists want to kill usjust note it is rad fem. tho they arent the only suspect grouping of feminists, and it is a bit more certain ideological commitments rather than broad groupings of people. we ought be careful bout not pigeonholing all feminists as if they were akin to what are arguably the worst elements of feminisms. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 08/01/25 11:58 PM |
| 5 | 91% of middle-aged men who died by suicide had asked for help from at least one service or agency before deathi venture a guess that they were largely shunted to the side for such services in favor of other, more deserving folks. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/01/25 09:49 PM |
| 3 | PSA: The difference between being misogynistic and criticizing Feminism.its either: a) trolls and bots saying dumb shite to stir the pot in the wrong direction. b) people who are simply misandrists, who view any criticism of feminism or advocacy for men as being misogynistic. there arent really any other serious reasons for folks in the femosphere to be making the claims they do regarding male advocacy. they might cloak it with some poorly construed theory, e.g. the bs lines that pretend there is no such thing as oppression or harm done to men, etc.... but ultimatel… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/01/25 03:18 AM |
| 1 | Advicethis is my most hopeful take. all the worst shit rises to the top first online, and there are any number of bad faithed actors involved. for all that tho, it has poisoned the well, and many an online feminista has come to believe that shite. its hopeful tho in that it is plausible counterattack it by firstly identifying the basic conceptual problems so as to target the appropriate aspects, and secondly by various efforts of mods to properly moderate their forums. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/01/25 01:30 AM |
| 1 | Any other transsexual men on here? I want to know your thoughts about how feminism and the greater LGBTQ movement does or does NOT benefit FTMs."gender roles themselves are not bad" this is a fairly critical point for folks to get. it isnt even just the 'forcing or not' question, it is also the dispositions from individualists who view any sort of social force as an inherent bad. These are both gender abolitionists and strangely the gender/bioessentialists as they each assume that there is some 'tru gender within you', and hence that there is something no good doo doo bad bout someone else 'telling you how to be'. gender is inherently a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/01/25 10:49 PM |
| 1 | You can have preferences and not be bigoted.preferences are aesthetic based, and ought be taken lightly for that reason. having this or that preference for some kind of food is a perfectly fine sort of thing. but ones tastes are thereby impoverished for it, and to take those preferences overly seriously is to be childish about them. there is little harm for such misapplication of preferences in regards to food. snobbishness, childishness, harms done to oneself by failing to develop a pallet for a wide range of tasty foods. but when it com… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 29/12/24 11:59 PM |
| 2 | You can have preferences and not be bigoted.this seems super odd. measuring by outcome is a reasonable measure of things overall, though it certainly has its flaws and limitations. though i actually agree with the implication you are giving here, that the measuring of these kinds of things is difficult. and yet, you follow it up with some handwaving about supposedly black women being forced to do it all or something? doesnt really make much sense. how do you measure 'oppression' and who 'has it worse'? why is it important to you to find o… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 29/12/24 11:55 PM |
| 5 | You can have preferences and not be bigoted.you gotta keep in mind, youre not exactly talking to other people, youre talking to an emotion, that emotion is hatred. they absolutely hate men. in this case its bi men, but adding a qualifier to it doesnt mean it isnt just another form of misandry. everyone has a right to choose who to be sexual with, very tru stuff. some people make that choice based on hatred. also very tru stuff. they are bigots, misandrists, and homophobes. it is all they are, bc again, you arent really talking to a whole … | /r/EverydayMisandry | 28/12/24 03:42 AM |
| 3 | Misandry sucks and it's making me feel really bitterits not all feminism. there are pretty specific lines of thought within feminism that exhibit these traits, and they can also be found in the mra stuff, they feed off each other. im also less convinced that there is an overarching plan that divides and conquers, so much as there is just an inherent sort of problem within the dynamic that needs be addressed cause it divides people. or rather, there is both. there is a tendency of people towards these kinds of divisive points, for instance placing… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/12/24 11:05 PM |
| 1 | Misandry sucks and it's making me feel really bitterone point here is the 'who has it worse' line. while i dont want to suggest that it doesnt matter at all, it is a highly overrated point when dealing with oppressive structures. its divisive and entices people to fight each other over the 'worse status' rather than recognizing and dealing with the systemic issues themselves. worse still, the problems are actually fairly complex. it isnt the case that you deal with 'the worst' and magically everything else is 'better'. rather its the case that if… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/12/24 10:57 PM |
| 4 | A friendly reminder that the F in TERF does in fact stand for feminist.The gentlest way to deal with the gendered discourse problems on the left is to philosophically knife radical feminism. That means going after their specific ideological commitments, which are actually a bit smaller in number than the ones listed in the OP. The listed things in the OP tho are pretty straightforward derivatives of radical feminisms ideological commitments. Their commitments can be found here, at least as ive laid them out. But it is very helpful to have a more detailed list of th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/12/24 09:05 PM |
| 1 | Women asked about men’s mental health. Empathy for men is always backhanded.yep, unfortunately. unclear how much cause the stats never really detail that kind of info, but for instance in DV its common to treat all such instances as 'male perpetrated violence'. sexual violence done by women at all, and to men in particular oft isnt counted at all. its only really been even made illegal recently and not everywhere. its deeply unclear how any instance of sexual violence 'perpetration' by women ends up being counted as a sexual violence by men due to this simple lack of co… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 27/12/24 07:30 PM |
| 0 | Feminisms Are Feminisms, How To Understand The Problems With Political And Ideological Confusions In The Gendered Discourseapologies, i didnt mean to imply that you are conspiracy theorist. i meant to imply that while i agree with the overall point you are making, i think that most of the grand overarching narratives are too, well grand and overarching. they are 'conspiratorial' in nature, which doesnt mean they are necessarily incorrect. but it is something i find worthwhile to avoid if at all possible, as it seems less likely to be true. besides which they tend to be divisive views. i've read that song as an indic… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/12/24 10:07 PM |
| 16 | Women asked about men’s mental health. Empathy for men is always backhanded.more than anything else these stats reflect wild gender biases, e.g. women perpetuated violences are not counted as such. and moreover, women perpetuated violences are oft counted as male perpetuated violence. there is, in other words, simply no reason to take the stats seriously, and every reason to take the states as deeply suspect. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 26/12/24 08:44 AM |
| 2 | Genuinely curious about itthere are I think at least three major points to reply with in regards to the heteronormative society, and they each depend on how you are understanding 'normative': 1) if by 'normative' you mean an 'ought', that is an implication of ethical obligatoriness to the state, as in 'it ought be enforced as an obligatory matter that people are heterosexual', then you queer folks persist in spite of this. they become outlawed, illegal, and they exist on the margines of society. but hey exist. this is an… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/12/24 08:12 AM |
| 2 | Genuinely curious about itim a patriarchal idealist, and i think the reality is a heteronormative complex with a significant queer component. the former isnt a denial of patriarchy, it is a belief that what folks ar pointing to when they point to patriarchy are merely certain ideological notions; not 'objective real world phenomena'. Patriarchy are specific cultural phenomena we can point to, but they are not 'objective aspects of reality' or as is oft pertinent to point out patriarchy isnt 'biologically driven'. differi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/12/24 06:01 AM |
| 2 | Swatting At The Gadfly; Being A Queer Dude Means Belonging Everywhere And Being Accepted Nowherei wasnt making a demand upon you. it was a clarion call for others to hear. that you hear it directed towards you is indicative of the point tho. thanks for sharing. their ill-formed loves expressions are what i am calling out, and the clarion call is towards them to do the fuck better. from their vitriolic dispositions on gendered relations, to their antilove dispositions of sexual relations (individualists), the call and aim wasnt towards you. tho again, thanks for commenting, bc you highlight… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/12/24 05:21 AM |
| 0 | Feminisms Are Feminisms, How To Understand The Problems With Political And Ideological Confusions In The Gendered Discoursethere are a lot of practical problems with parties, democracies, and various positions along these lines too. a party doesnt perfectly reflect its constituents, democracies are messy and political positions are not generally even well defined. as OP points to, the Ideological Purity involved is far from a Gender Theory or feminisms ideal that tends to hope to askew these problems by aiming towards a more practical coalition building enterprise. in the online forums tho, these political confusion… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/12/24 05:03 AM |
| -1 | Feminisms Are Feminisms, How To Understand The Problems With Political And Ideological Confusions In The Gendered Discoursethere is a something to what youre saying, but i think it is too conspiratorial, and not conceptually and genderly oriented enough to reach out to those folks to who we are reaching out towards. i agree, i mean, that race is more overriding than gender, and so too is queerness (umbrella term) more overriding than gender per se. but the folks you want to reach towards are actually interested in gender per se, and tbh that is a valuable and valiant effort. folks wont be able to reach out to them w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/12/24 04:54 AM |
| 0 | Feminisms Are Feminisms, How To Understand The Problems With Political And Ideological Confusions In The Gendered Discourseoh, and i agree that all or at any rate most feminists believe in 'patriarchy theory', meaning that there is such a thing as patriarchy. what that means tho differs quite a bit from one feminist to another, or one feminism to another. one of the main points of the OP is that feminims are not defined in opposition to patriarchy, which is i think unfortunately what folks have come to assume in pop feminisms and even within Gender Theory in its popular forms, or as OP notes as menslib and mra group… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/12/24 10:26 PM |
| 3 | Feminisms Are Feminisms, How To Understand The Problems With Political And Ideological Confusions In The Gendered Discoursethats really kind of you to say, thanks. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/12/24 08:33 PM |
| 8 | Feminisms Are Feminisms, How To Understand The Problems With Political And Ideological Confusions In The Gendered Discoursei adore the pluralization of feminism(s) as it disrupts the tendencies towards arbitrary and erroneous unity of feminism. that is sort of the main point of holding that it is pluralized actually. when folks speak of 'feminism' non-pluralized, theyve the capacity to pigeonhole it in 'this or that' categorization, which belies the reality that there is a spectrum of views involved. folks across the spectrum, ideologically speaking, have poor incentives to singularize feminisms. it seems to discred… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/12/24 07:04 AM |
| 2 | Why is femicide a thingfeminicide is a thing because it is unusual. that is the entirety of the point. distract from the real problem, which is the unchecked murder of men, by highlighting the minority problem, the murder of women. the point is to distract you from the real problems in the world. not to suggest that there are no real problems for women in the world, this just isnt one of them. the '''''suggestion''''' here is bluntly that by focusing on a minority issue we are thereby in this case (but not all cases o… | /r/MensRights | 23/12/24 06:25 AM |
| 0 | The Mazan/Gisèle Pélicot rape trial in France wrongly called the trial of all meni actually think it is a bit more disturbing than that, tho there is that element to it. i dont think people in general properly delineate their own notions as to what is a left or right wing interpretation of gendered issues. in other words, the leftwing feminista doesnt understand when they espouse rightwing positions on gender; to them all things that are pro woman or pro feminist are inherently leftwing. which is simply false. conversely the rightwing feminista doesnt even understand that th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/12/24 09:03 PM |
| 1 | (Repost) “It’S tHe PaTrIaRcHy.”good read. a few things: while i can get the reason for the focus on how this may or may not relate to patriarchy given the source, i find the focus there to be hampering to the point. the aim isnt necessarily towards 'bringing patriarchy low', it is towards the betterment of peoples lives, or possibly towards the betterment of people. in the case of emotional labors overall, it would seem to me that understanding how that dynamic plays out overall without the ancillary goal of 'dealing with pat… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 22/12/24 08:40 PM |
| 5 | Swatting At The Gadfly; Being A Queer Dude Means Belonging Everywhere And Being Accepted Nowhereyep, irl im quite charming actually:) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/12/24 10:32 PM |
| 1 | I hate being called "One of the good ones."maybe. i think i get where you are coming from here. systemic issues arent actualized by any given individual. my view on this, and i could be wrong, is that systemic issues are not necessarily actualized by individuals, however, sometimes they are. systemic racism in the early 20th century was actively practiced by huge swaths of people, for instance. systemic doesnt mean that it cant be actualized by individuals doing it, it just means that it doesnt have to be. in the current id say women act… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/12/24 08:52 PM |
| 3 | The Mazan/Gisèle Pélicot rape trial in France wrongly called the trial of all mendoing a longer piece related to this point, but in essence Gender Theory actually covers a broad spectrum of theories. the pigeonholing it as a womens issues oriented topic is simply false. this is true both in the academics and in the movements. mra folks are gender theory movement people. so are lwma, menslib, radical feminists, liberal feminists, queer theorists of all stripes, etc.... what is presented especially online is a rather disturbingly polarized and politicized version of both femin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/12/24 08:45 PM |
| 4 | Swatting At The Gadfly; Being A Queer Dude Means Belonging Everywhere And Being Accepted Nowhereive dated couples and engaged with sexual activities that i think most would construe as 'not entirely straight'. i dont really like dishing bout it tho. gender wise i was the stay at home parent before that was cool at all for dudes to do, primary caregiver of my kids and part time caregiver of quite a few other kids, cooking, cleaning, laundry, homeschooling, etc.... all the classic 'wifely duties', and something of a 'community parent', which is typically a feminine role. this also involved l… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/12/24 04:34 AM |
| 4 | Swatting At The Gadfly; Being A Queer Dude Means Belonging Everywhere And Being Accepted Nowherei apologize, to me that seems plain. idk what you mean or are looking for in an answer here, but id note that im poly, queer, and a dude, which to me seems pretty self-explanatory overall. i dont generally dish bout my personal sex life tho. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/12/24 03:54 AM |
| 16 | The Mazan/Gisèle Pélicot rape trial in France wrongly called the trial of all menfeminism isnt left wing. it isnt right wing either, it is a loose collection of philosophies on the topic of womens issues, and is a subset of Gender Theory which covers all issues from all genders. i aint necessarily saying that the feminists making the silly claims are definitely not left wing, they may be. im far more suggesting that their understanding of feminism is profoundly confused politically speaking. See also Disentangling Political Confusions From Gender Theory. imagine i mean being… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/12/24 03:51 AM |
| 5 | Swatting At The Gadfly; Being A Queer Dude Means Belonging Everywhere And Being Accepted NowhereQueer: denoting or relating to a sexual or gender identity that does not correspond to established ideas of sexuality and gender, especially heterosexual norms. Dude: masculine. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/12/24 01:03 AM |
| 6 | Swatting At The Gadfly; Being A Queer Dude Means Belonging Everywhere And Being Accepted Nowherei think there is truth in what you are saying. id only caution against conflating feminism or gender theory with left wing. feminism is neither left wing, nor right wing. it is a loose collection of philosophies that span the political spectrum. Disentangling Political Confusions From Gender Theory. still, i think i tend to agree that folks see masculinity as power, rightly or wrongly, and act accordingly. being a gadfly to them is understood as remarkably dangerous in their eyes and minds, rega… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/12/24 02:30 AM |
| 2 | Male perpetrators of sexual violence are under-reported in comparison to female perpetrators of sexual violence. Thoughts?generally what these folks are counting can be found at NISVS. its important to note that what they are counting tho is not what is legally or ethically broadly construed as sexual violence. they are asking questions of people regarding if they have ever done specific kinds of actions 'behaviorally specific questions', and then interpreting those as if they were in fact admissions of a sexual violence. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/24 11:41 PM |
| 8 | Male perpetrators of sexual violence are under-reported in comparison to female perpetrators of sexual violence. Thoughts?these are referring to self reporting, not 'sexual violence' but 'behaviors' that the statisticians then interpret as if they were sexual violence. while there is some cause to think that women are more likely to self-report, e.g. no one has (yet) stigmatized that behavior in women, that is also generally a good reason to suspect that the numbers are more honest. regardless, the 'self-reporting' method is deeply troubled. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/24 11:33 PM |
| 68 | I hate being called "One of the good ones."part of the strategy in the current is to shut down instances of misandry. people are in the denial stage, that is, simply denying the existence of misandry. many havent even reached the level of recognition that individual instances of misandry exist. i mean to say, they believe that any individual instances of misandry are actually instances of misogyny, through whatever twisted bit of logic they use to get there. some are at the point where they can admit that there are individual instances o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/24 11:26 PM |
| 46 | (Repost) “It’S tHe PaTrIaRcHy.”ive grown less inclined towards the view that men are 'emotionally stunted'. im sure there is some truth to it, e.g. repression of ones emotions, what ive seen far more of is a lack of emotional maturity from women. by that i mean an inability to control their emotions in any way shape or form. to be subservient to their own emotions in other words. my sense at this point is that what is typically referred to as male emotional stunting is more a failure to understand that emotional maturity enta… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 19/12/24 11:15 PM |
| 7 | Male perpetrators of sexual violence are under-reported in comparison to female perpetrators of sexual violence. Thoughts?the second article is kinda interesting in that it is seriously criticizing the self-reporting methods themselves. its fairly opaque reading as to exactly what they are using to make those determinations beyond 'qualitative difference' and 'linguistic differences' and 'gendered differences', all of which are likely broadly correct. i mean, i dont have any reason to suspect that self-reporting is a deeply troubled methodology for measuring this stuff. highly manipulable based on what questions yo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/24 10:34 PM |
| 20 | Male perpetrators of sexual violence are under-reported in comparison to female perpetrators of sexual violence. Thoughts?the bolded text is indeed quite incredible. there is an open rape culture for female on male violence, sexual and otherwise. it is celebrated, not generally illegal, hasnt been illegal at least for centuries now. it is definitionally underreported for that reason, e.g. you dont report crimes that are definitionally not crimes. those are 'societal level gender norm or other societal level factors....' whereas for men society severely targets them for any sort of sexual activity, even normal sexua… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/24 10:14 PM |
| 7 | Swatting At The Gadfly; Being A Queer Dude Means Belonging Everywhere And Being Accepted Nowheretru, ive wondered some if that fear is part of the appeal. sometimes ive wondered to what degree folks confuse their feelings of love and desire for fear. butterflies in the stomach can be misinterpreted by the person feeling them. a feeling of unease in the presence of desire or love is a common experience. one that is i think easily mistaken as being a feeling of fear. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/24 04:57 PM |
| 1 | Swatting At The Gadfly; Being A Queer Dude Means Belonging Everywhere And Being Accepted Nowheremy sense is that in those spaces i am viewed exactly as not queer, as male in other words. which is something that doesnt quite fit within those spaces. i mean, in terms of pervert, consider the degree that masculine sexuality is consistently under attack. views for instance that heterosexual interactions are inherently rape (due to inherent power differentials), or is breeder sex (use and abuse of women; for some reason not also of men), or that men are sexual predators, or sometimes more cereb… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/24 04:55 PM |
| 6 | Swatting At The Gadfly; Being A Queer Dude Means Belonging Everywhere And Being Accepted Nowherequeer dude. but that isnt really the point. maybe because ive been comfortable with that for a long time idk. the point is that the masculinity is what folks react in fear from, and differing groups find differing aspects of masculinity to justify that fear. folks project their fears of masculinity upon me in those various spaces. id assume doing so is made all the more possible due to the queerness. that is, it isnt as if i present as some obvious version of masculinity. that would make it more… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/24 04:37 PM |
| 3 | Queer men also suffer from men’s issuesim more inclined to blame concepts personally, but i agree that misandry is a thing that affects men, queers and women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/12/24 06:06 AM |
| 2 | The duality of men, when it comes to male sexuality.my general take on part one of op is that folks simply target male sexuality across the board due to puritanical dispositions about sexuality. there is and ought be nothing wrong with expressing sexual interest in women as a man. its just normal behavior. folks pretend that it is 'objectification' but it isnt. it isnt even what that term means. that term refers to the totality of how you treat someone, not any given instantiation, and it doesnt mean that there is anything wrong with sexualizing … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/12/24 10:36 PM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?i originally posted this as a debate question. mods told me no, for no real good reason imo. but i listened to them. then i posted this as an ask men question, cause i thought it would be good to let men say what they thought on the matter. mods told me no because supposedly men cant ask men questions, goes against their rules. which it doesnt by the letter of their rules, but whatever. so i listened to them then i posted this as ostensibly a question for women, but made it clear i was asking th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 03:00 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?"it is impossible for an individual..." which is why i pointed out that the systemic point is relevant. such as reddits denial of its existence. and huge swaths of the population. not 'you' but while swaths of the population, and while policies of websites across the internets. *you* are merely participating in it, and defending it by denying its blatant existence. its blatant systemic existence. by law. by culture. by terms of service. by norm. even by ethic (as in, many folks feel ethically ju… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 02:49 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?isnt the denial that misandry exists, which is blantantly systmetically present and which you are currently perpetuating, exactly systemic misandry? this is why it is the worst misandry per the op. it allows for the unchecked, justified, even glorified misandry. "sure, that person said all men ought die, but that is just that one person. one of literally millions." no one can call them on it. cause i mean. misandry doesnt exist. correct? so i mean. who cares. murder the boys. oppress them even. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 02:39 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?as i said, plainly: the systemic denial of misandry is the most obvious form of systemic misandry. elaborating on the point doesnt dissuade from it. when you claim that it is individualistic, you are systemically denying its existence. it is systemic. not to even yet bother with the blatant de jure (but law) misandry, such as the centuries long, or longer, denial that women can rape, sexually assault, or sexually harass men. that is practically the definition of systemic. but we might also note … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 02:27 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?youre pointing to an ahistorical and anachronistic narrative. one that take notions of gender from modern times in a and attempts to graft them on all other cultures and times from the past. its a thoroughly repudiated form of historical analysis. literally no historian would take you seriously. in point of fact, the roles of women in war have varied a great deal by culture and throughout time, but by and large men have tended to be pushed to the fore on the point. part of your analysis here whi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 02:19 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?renaming it patriarchy doesnt absolve it of its misandry. that is just another way to deny its existence. bonus points for blaming men for misandry tho. feminism is far too broad a term to be used here. philosophy has repeatedly called out these problems too. which feminism do you refer to? i regularly find myself defending feminism from folks that make these broad claims against feminism without denoting to which feminist theory they are referring. ill do the same to those who use the term 'fem… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 02:12 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?i cant say for sure tbh. the simple act of murdering men, we neednt misce words here, misandry is not policed on reddit, we can say murdering men, killing them for fun, just tourturing them to their death, doesnt matter. reddit doesnt care. we asked repeatedly to have them do something about it. they dont give a fuck. so, murdering little boys for fun, sounds pretty bad. aint gonna lie. but isnt it worse that reddit allows for people to openly discuss the murdering of little boys for sheer pleas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 01:52 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?certainly the denial of the very existence of misandry is akin to 'seeing nothing wrong with their way of thinking' correct? note reddits policy is that misandry either doesnt exist, or if it does, it doesnt matter. so feel free to be as misandristic as you feel like being here. you can say, as i am here, that all men are human scum, because they are men, and they deserve to be tortured to death in public, simply because they are men. you could report that to reddit, and they would say "that ok,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 01:39 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?is this not just a continuation of OPs claim regarding the denial of misandry as being the worst form? here there is a kind of dodge of the point, or an attempt at it, which really only perpetuates the justifications to continue practicing misandry, e.g. its not me, its men, what i do is fine. acceptance of the reality of misandry is the principled starting point for dealing with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 01:35 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?this just seems like variations on the theme of 'misandry doesnt exist' which is why the claim that misandry doesnt exist is the worst form of misandry. it empowers misandrists to keep being such, justifying their hatred of men by dismissing the claims entirely. the systemic denial of misandry is the most obvious form of systemic misandry. elaborating on the point doesnt dissuade from it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 01:31 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?not that this would be the worst misandry at all, but the claim here pretends that women didnt have a say as to if they die in war. they did. they chose not to. they utterly made the choice that they didnt want to, and so they avoided it at all costs, including reinforcing the notion that men ought to be the ones to die in wars. they do this still when they, broadly, still oppose a draft or conscription system that also drafts women. much like their patriarchal kin, bc they benefit by doing so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 01:29 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?isnt the denial of the systemic nature of it backing up your point, insofar as it goes. which isnt very far imho. in other words, your willing and able to freely practice misandry on men as much as you please, exactly because you believe that there is no such thing as 'systemic misandry'. but of course that is exactly a manifestation of systemic misandry. such is why the denial of misandry is the worst kind of misandry, as it empowers all other kinds of misandry, systemic, individual, or otherwi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 01:26 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?but is that the worst misandry? or is the denial of its existence the worst form of misandry? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 01:23 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?sounds like the first part is the simple denial of the existence of misandry. the second part is the denial of the effects of that denial. more men are murdered than any other category, not even close actually. a while women may not be the direct cause of all those murders, the aint innocent bystanders either. we just tend to call those 'self defense' for one reason or another, or 'male on male' violence without looking at the causes thereof. not gonna say that all or even most of mens deaths be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 01:22 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?tru. im a go getter. but im willing to toss it off if needs be too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 01:18 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?the systemic denial of misandry is systemic misandry. it also enables all other forms of systemic misandry, for instance, the denial, de jure (by law), or de facto (but culture), that the rape of men even exists. or sexual assault of men. or sexual harassment of men. especially as such is perpetrated by women. such is defined away as a matter of law and culture, simply in virtue of the denial of the existence of misandry at all. this is why it is, arguably, the worst misandry. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 01:17 AM |
| – | Is The Denial That Misandry Exists The Worst Misandry?yep, this was the fourth effort to make a post on this topic, the previous three were deleted for various reasons that had nothing to do with the rules as stated, spent a long time writing the original post, modifying it repeatedly to meet their (non-rules stated) demands, so i posted just the question. just dont care enough about this group to leap though hoops like that. fix the group. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/24 12:11 AM |
| 1 | United Kingdom OFFICIAL law on the definition of rape.remember boyz, its entirely legal for women to rape you. they do it, they dont care, and there is no protection you have against it. it is celebrated when it happens, legally supported, and culturally normalized. its whats known as rape culture. their hatred for you comes first and foremost. they target you, and they target your little boyz too. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/24 11:08 PM |
| 1 | Fd Pushes The Point That Misogyny And Racism Were To Blame For The Election Loss, Asking To Be Rebuffed. Its The Misandry From The Left That Cost Them The Electionfactors in an election, where such big numbers are being reflected in the outcomes are not really indicators of what are determinate of the outcome. In other words, sure, the price of corn in iowa was a factor, but what are, hmm, the salient factors, the factors that we ought focus on. where is there play in the electorate? and also, where do people themselves say that their own concerns are. see here too regarding the ceos assassination. as i think this is dispositive (final) proof on the matte… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/12/24 10:21 PM |
| 11 | What do you think are important safety tips for men when dating?im not a huge fan of red flags. i find them to mostly not be indicative of real problems. something tho that comes to mind is if your date seems overly puritanical about sexuality, human touch, and overly vitriolic towards men or male sexuality. id tend to view those as serious kinds of concerns to have, as they speak more directly to problems with the presumed aim of the relationship, namely, a sexual and romantic one. trying to love and be sexual with someone that low key or capitalized hates … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/12/24 09:03 PM |
| 1 | Fd Pushes The Point That Misogyny And Racism Were To Blame For The Election Loss, Asking To Be Rebuffed. Its The Misandry From The Left That Cost Them The Electionglad to be concerning. fwiw i actually accept that systemic racism exists. i think it is by far the most concerning quality you mention too, as i tend to think that it is more fundamental than gendered discrimination. i am not of the view that in american or western societies that misogyny is a particularly systemic issue. i think much of those issues have actually been dealt with, and most of the instance i hear that purport it to be the case dont really pan out, e.g. suppositions that hierarch… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/12/24 08:59 PM |
| 1 | As LWMA, what do you think is the best way to teach kids about consent, boundaries, and sex and what not to teach them?ive both a boy and a girl, and helped raise a few others over the years. I taught them to respect a no, regardless of their gender. im a no means no person tho, and find the yes means yes ethic to be no good, to put it mildly. i also taught them to be mutually respectful, and that relationships and sexuality is about mutual pleasure, at least by and large. to communicate their desires to their lovers, both things they want and things they dont, and more generally that good communication goes a l… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/12/24 07:28 PM |
| 1 | Sigh.i am not finding a reference for bell hooks using that term. after searching a bit, this popped up: We Real Cool: Black Men and Masculinity can you provide one? which seems to suggest that the term may refer to the poem We Real Cool by someone else, or perhaps in that book itself, but the ai at any rate says that it isnt used in either, and the wiki article on the book, where hooks talks extensively about men and love, doesnt seem particularly derogatory towards black men. which having read her … | /r/EverydayMisandry | 13/12/24 07:00 PM |
| 35 | The jokes write themselves now'all violence is male generated', its like women dont even exist. just histories passive dolls. when theory writes your whole gender out of existence. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 13/12/24 04:53 PM |
| 1 | Fd Pushes The Point That Misogyny And Racism Were To Blame For The Election Loss, Asking To Be Rebuffed. Its The Misandry From The Left That Cost Them The Electionidk, sometimes there are fairly definitive or better answers, or at least answers that provide more proper or practical direction. fd's claims are logically false. they are definitively wrong, at least as he is presenting them. the second post i did on this regarding the dispositive proof from the reaction to the healthcare ceos assassination i think shows that populism is the better answer, a positive answer as to what is going on. moreover, i think the outright misandry on the left implied and… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/12/24 04:01 PM |
| 4 | Most people don’t understand what a ‘traditional relationship’ actually meansi appreciate the basic historical point being alluded to, namely, that the history of humankind is not like 1950s americana hot wife cuck husband. that is not a 'traditional' gender role. but some of what you are saying doesnt fit well with the historical reality either. throughout the overwhelming majority of human history, prior to wwii, most everyone were farmers. women, men and children. industrialization was a thing, and city life was a thing, but those were minority roles for people. depen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/24 03:28 PM |
| 7 | Most people don’t understand what a ‘traditional relationship’ actually meansvery tru stuff. basic history stuff is important to know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/24 03:18 PM |
| 1 | Sigh.there are indeed horribly racists and misandrist statements by well known feminist academics, and just in general, those are real things. my sense tho, or my concern is to what degree are these things in the current products of online fuckery? i mean, how amplified are the hateful? who is targeted by them and who isnt? i mean too, like suppose the self proclaimed feminist in the post i linked to is sincere. why doesnt she see those kinds of hateful statements, or if she does, why doesnt it affec… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 13/12/24 03:08 PM |
| 2 | What’s the solution then boss?pretty sure everyone is safe enough to do this. i see people do it regularly. such is known as hysteria and fear mongering. present it as if there isnt safety, and then act accordingly. the notion that you get rid of men and make it fine is just indicative of the complete hysterical nature of the problem. these are gated community people, and the people that want cops on every corner. theyre sick. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 13/12/24 02:50 AM |
| 24 | By the Same White Knight Who Made the Last Post I Shared in This Subyou can sum this up as: there is no such thing as gay men there is no such thing as disabled men there is no such thing as poor men there is no such thing as black men there is no such thing as..... it is the No Categorical Instantiation Fallacy as noted here. the 'men' they are trying to refer to do not exist, because there is no real world instantiation of them. fwiw there is a similar styled argument in gender theory as applicable to women, its meant to show that the notion people have a 'fem… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 13/12/24 02:03 AM |
| 9 | DID I JUST GET RED PILLED?shes describing Patriarchal Realism and the consequences of it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/12/24 01:55 AM |
| 3 | Sigh.im oft left wondering to what extent these sorts of poking at men are genuine. i dont mean the people posting them here, i mean the source. there is so much fuckery from folks who want to cause havoc, and then there are the algorithms and peoples own shitty dispositions towards reacting to those kinds of things that its difficult to tell how real or prominent those points of view are. there was a self-proclaimed feminist, see here, who remarks how the kinds of feminists we (lwma) interact with a… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 13/12/24 01:52 AM |
| 1 | Legal Consequences of Getting Rapedsure. tho the main point i was making is that of rape culture, where boys and men are simply raped with total impunity, even legal protections to it, and wild celebrations of it happening. just in terms of the forced to be a parent thing, there is similarity in the instances, i admit that women forced to give birth in instances of rape are going through something extra, namely, the carrying to term and birthing. but then, that is an issue that people actually care about too. like you can cite, a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/12/24 01:42 AM |
| 1 | Society needs to understand that men can easily be physically abused in straight relationshipsnah, that doesnt make any sense to what the oc was. the clarifying point of the oc was thus: but i think using the laws is far more like being aware of them, and utilizing them, not the 'free agent but for laws' but an active participant in the laws. such that, for instance, you might break them because they are unjust, or you may act based upon them, not in a bound sort of way, but in the liberating sort of way, as in 'ah, here are the legal ways to act within a certain context'. which is somet… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/24 08:42 PM |
| 3 | The Reaction To The Insurance CEO's Assassination Is Dispositive Proof The Election Was Won And Lost Due To Populism, Not Misogyny Or Racism As FD Among Many Others Have Claimed. The Misandry On The Left Manifested By Insisting That They Are Misogynistic And Ignoring Male Issues Drives Men Awayhis company didnt save anyone. healthcare workers did. all his company did was siphon money away from people and cause tens of thousands to needlessly die. literally that is all it does. no other civilized country on the planet even understands why these companies exist. they literally just steal money from people and do everything in their power to cause them to die. luigi is a folk hero. he murdered a murderer. people ought be celebrating, and they are. all ceos ought feel the target on their … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/24 08:35 PM |
| 4 | How open is this sub to working with feminists?Not to mention a very heavy handed policing of any dissentlng voice if not outright banning. indeed. i got banned from r/AskFeminists for quoting well regarded feminists, gender theorists, and racial studies academics because it didnt agree with their hot ass take that women ought choose bear. i got banned from r/TrueAskReddit for trying to post something related to mens issues at all, which was denied, and then respectfully arguing in the comments on a post that mens issues in family law, being… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/24 08:31 PM |
| 1 | How open is this sub to working with feminists?idk man, its not really an opinion to say that some traditions actually sux. like, you can just read history and see that that is the case. strict gender segregation for instance is a shitty tradition. the traditions that keep people within certain specific fields of labor are shitty traditions by and large at any rate. the reason dei is failing currently is that there are concerted efforts by people to make it fail. not for any other reason either. it didnt just magically start failing, people … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/24 08:21 PM |
| 3 | The Reaction To The Insurance CEO's Assassination Is Dispositive Proof The Election Was Won And Lost Due To Populism, Not Misogyny Or Racism As FD Among Many Others Have Claimed. The Misandry On The Left Manifested By Insisting That They Are Misogynistic And Ignoring Male Issues Drives Men Awayive thought that might be the case too. i go on bout Patriarchal Realism and its problems. i feel that that ideological view is common online, and likely common for most self identified feminists. if you believed in Patriarchal Realism, regardless i mean as to if you call it that, then the notion of overthrowing the patriarchy would certainly appear to be revolutionary. but it wouldnt be populist. the problem really is that its a false belief. its largely incoherent, ahistorical, and anachronist… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/24 08:15 PM |
| 4 | The Reaction To The Insurance CEO's Assassination Is Dispositive Proof The Election Was Won And Lost Due To Populism, Not Misogyny Or Racism As FD Among Many Others Have Claimed. The Misandry On The Left Manifested By Insisting That They Are Misogynistic And Ignoring Male Issues Drives Men Awayhe murdered someone who is directly responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands. yall condemn him, but not them. that the only problem. if you wanna say he ought be taken to prison, the person he murdered and those like him ought be also, and wildly more so. the lack of consistency in justice is the problem here. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/24 08:12 AM |
| 1 | Women had nearly flawless PR until social media which has inadvently led to the Redpilli adore how the book you are citing is a take on nietzsche's beyond good and evil. idk what more to say about that either, just something that made me laugh. there is a series of three books called The Nature Of Love, by singer. id suggest those as they give a fairly comprehensive view of how love has been viewed over the centuries, at least in the western tradition. good series, has its limitations, but it is pretty good. the broad dispositions on love and as regards women over the many centuri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/24 07:45 AM |
| 2 | The Reaction To The Insurance CEO's Assassination Is Dispositive Proof The Election Was Won And Lost Due To Populism, Not Misogyny Or Racism As FD Among Many Others Have Claimed. The Misandry On The Left Manifested By Insisting That They Are Misogynistic And Ignoring Male Issues Drives Men Awayfair point. dont mean tho that duder didnt do correctly what needs be done tho;) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/24 07:22 AM |
| 1 | How open is this sub to working with feminists?youre welcome. no rush. take your time. we gonna crush em in time anyway. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/24 07:11 AM |
| 1 | Society needs to understand that men can easily be physically abused in straight relationshipsno, you do. youve no ethical obligation to obey unjust laws. i admit that is somewhat controversial, but not really. a law that says you ought do something inherently unjust ought not be obeyed. moreover, laws dont inherent constrain, they can be to free people up from otherwise constraining forces. for instance, laws that provide protection to people who are generally constrained by some other force, say racism, or bigotry, or class difference, are liberatory in nature, not constraining. to uti… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/24 07:09 AM |
| 1 | Society needs to understand that men can easily be physically abused in straight relationshipsbeing a lawyer is a profession, practicing law, or 'using laws' is just a thing people do. i do get i think where you are coming from, the assumption of being a free agent but for the laws, and hence bound by them. but i think using the laws is far more like being aware of them, and utilizing them, not the 'free agent but for laws' but an active participant in the laws. such that, for instance, you might break them because they are unjust, or you may act based upon them, not in a bound sort of w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/24 06:28 AM |
| 4 | How open is this sub to working with feminists?really depends on what you mean by 'traditional'. some traditions sux shitty ass. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/24 06:17 AM |
| 8 | How open is this sub to working with feminists?im against the return to 'traditional' gender roles. i dont even think they are 'traditional'. i think those people are profoundly confused and conflate americana 1950s hot wife cuck husband with 'tradition'. no historical analysis bears those gender roles out beyond a slow build up to it via industrialization. most everyone was farmers historically. men, women, and children all farmed, they all made their own stuff, they traded in small communities, etc.... thats actual history. ive been pushin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/24 05:01 AM |
| 0 | “Women Deserve Women’s Only Spaces”im not really a huge fan of women only spaces, or men only spaces. gender segregation is largely abhorrent. it isnt exactly tho that i think there ought be literally no such spaces, it is that they ought be pretty few and far between. moreover, the rationale that is given, safety, is so gross its beyond the pale. such lies and vilifies men. | /r/MensRights | 11/12/24 10:47 PM |
| 3 | Telling a Young Child How He Should Treat Others but Never How He Should Be Treated Is Beyond Toxicthe lack of women being taught to treat their lovers well is a wildly serious problem. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 11/12/24 10:43 PM |
| 2 | The Reaction To The Insurance CEO's Assassination Is Dispositive Proof The Election Was Won And Lost Due To Populism, Not Misogyny Or Racism As FD Among Many Others Have Claimed. The Misandry On The Left Manifested By Insisting That They Are Misogynistic And Ignoring Male Issues Drives Men Awayim having a hard time understanding how your comment is related to the post, can you explain? as to the misandry, pretty sure ive spent my entire time on reddit, which isnt long, specifically making the point that the left is losing men due to the misandry on the left. aside from cleaning up the philosophical bs on the left in regards to Gender Studies, which i think is crucial for folks to adequately address the problems, its pretty much my purpose atm for being on reddit at all. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/12/24 08:49 PM |
| 2 | The Reaction To The Insurance CEO's Assassination Is Dispositive Proof The Election Was Won And Lost Due To Populism, Not Misogyny Or Racism As FD Among Many Others Have Claimed. The Misandry On The Left Manifested By Insisting That They Are Misogynistic And Ignoring Male Issues Drives Men Awayidk every forums restrictions. i assume they differ from each other, which ought not be surprising. i know that most or maybe all my attempts to post on mra have been initially denied, and only one (maybe two?) has ever been accepted. despite not really saying anything particularly wild. point being, the mods manage their spaces differently. which is maybe fine, but also likely leads to various voices being routinely denied access. i am pretty sure that male centered forums are far more scrutini… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/12/24 08:42 PM |
| 13 | Straight up at front page! I had to do a reverse image search to confirm this happen. It did happen. I am not surprised, just disappointed.its fairly shocking the degree that people are willing to blame and harm little boys in the name of protecting theoretical grown women. its only more disturbing that it is almost certainly a bunch of grown women looking to target little boys for harm. my suspicion is that most of the folks caught up in this are themselves monsters to scared to face the fact that, indeed, women can be monsters. rather than accept that obvious reality, they seek to blame little boys, and are willing to harm them w… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 11/12/24 07:55 PM |
| 1 | The Reaction To The Insurance CEO's Assassination Is Dispositive Proof The Election Was Won And Lost Due To Populism, Not Misogyny Or Racism As FD Among Many Others Have Claimed. The Misandry On The Left Manifested By Insisting That They Are Misogynistic And Ignoring Male Issues Drives Men Awayfair:) kinda wanted the title to just be it rather than my usual long ass posts. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/12/24 07:14 PM |
| 7 | The Reaction To The Insurance CEO's Assassination Is Dispositive Proof The Election Was Won And Lost Due To Populism, Not Misogyny Or Racism As FD Among Many Others Have Claimed. The Misandry On The Left Manifested By Insisting That They Are Misogynistic And Ignoring Male Issues Drives Men Awayid say that its a bit more due to the high level of scrutiny mens spaces receive from the reddit admin overlords as well as creeps that patrol the spaces looking for something to report. recall, vast swaths of reddit despise lwma and mra and any other male centered discussion forum that isnt just bootlicking the matriarchy and perpetuating the patriarchal realist lies. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/12/24 07:03 PM |
| 19 | "They're young men"#itsalwaysmen is their montra. they are misandrists first and foremost. they at most differ on which men they hate. that hatred oft, but not always is racist. when it isnt, doesnt make it better. but its oft racist nature reveals its misandristic roots. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 11/12/24 01:08 AM |
| 3 | The Reaction To The Insurance CEO's Assassination Is Dispositive Proof The Election Was Won And Lost Due To Populism, Not Misogyny Or Racism As FD Among Many Others Have Claimed. The Misandry On The Left Manifested By Insisting That They Are Misogynistic And Ignoring Male Issues Drives Men Away"edit: spelling and minor changes. and this is the fd signifier vid we are referring to see here, where he asked to be proven wrong. hes been proven wrong. bring the point home to him, hold his feet to fire." youre correct, i didnt initially put the original vid in the post. i added it in the edit for that reason. aside from that tho, i dont particularly see this post as being rambly. perhaps any perception of its rambliness stemming from not being in the know of its origins. in which case the l… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/12/24 12:52 AM |
| 10 | The Reaction To The Insurance CEO's Assassination Is Dispositive Proof The Election Was Won And Lost Due To Populism, Not Misogyny Or Racism As FD Among Many Others Have Claimed. The Misandry On The Left Manifested By Insisting That They Are Misogynistic And Ignoring Male Issues Drives Men Awayi like that comment. thanks for providing it here. sounds pretty spot on. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/12/24 10:20 PM |
| 5 | “No, ALL lives matter!”primordial and non-Euclidean Eldritch horror that is “the patriarchy.” what fun way of saying Patriarchal Realism:) | /r/EverydayMisandry | 10/12/24 08:43 PM |
| 3 | "Be strong for those that need it" a masculinity the left needs but refuses.People have a right to rally around whatever political ideas they want. mostly tru. there are modes of such political rallying that we might feel folks dont have a right to, such as fascistic rallies, or political movements that seek to end other peoples rights to political rally. my sense is 'the right' in the current is exactly those sorts of political rallying. It is morally reprehensible to rally around those point, and ethically inconsistent (paradox of intolerance). id note that this is di… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/12/24 08:24 PM |
| 4 | "Be strong for those that need it" a masculinity the left needs but refuses.im not a huge fan of this take, this is a Liberalistic and individualistic take. i appreciate the notion of individual choice, it is a thing that happens within cultural contexts, not independent of them. providing broader cultural contexts that are healthy, life affirming and virtuous are all ways for folks to exercise their individualist dispositions. absent a cultural context, the individual is left wanting of a means to make a choice, and oft typically just blows with the emotive winds of th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/12/24 08:18 PM |
| 38 | "Be strong for those that need it" a masculinity the left needs but refuses.i think this is the correct take and problem, in particular on the left. OP is correct i think that men ought hold themselves and masculinity towards that ideal and aim, i think that is a good thing to do. it grants them purpose, meaning, and gives them something valuable to do. id only add that it isnt even that it doubles down on male disposability, it is that it comes with harsh treatment from those within leftist groups themselves. its one thing to be spat upon by those you may be fighting a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/12/24 08:15 PM |
| 12 | "Because gender roles are becoming obsolete, men feel like they don't have a purpose" How true is this statement really?the sentiment seems false. my intuition on this is more that such is an obfuscation of the attacks on men and masculinity more generally. a means of pretending that men are upset over something other than what men are expressly saying that they are upset over, and at the same time to deflect from those who are doing the attack. id agree with others in the comments that there is also a thing of note where self-declared feminists, and women more broadly, have been attempting to institute essential… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/12/24 01:15 AM |
| 2 | Just a reminder to those who haven't left. This site wants you to feel hated. They want men to be pushed into further radicalization. For the sake of your own mental well-being. Leave this website.thats how hypotheticals work, you take your interlocutor's claim at face value. if we take what they are saying at face value, at best that means..... i am not making a false claim, i am using the hypothetical of their own reasoning to show how it is false. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/12/24 10:22 PM |
| 2 | Just a reminder to those who haven't left. This site wants you to feel hated. They want men to be pushed into further radicalization. For the sake of your own mental well-being. Leave this website.yes. i include white in '1', and i make an 'at best' qualifier in two, e.g. if we were to take their arguments seriously at all, at best..... | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/12/24 06:25 PM |
| 9 | Society needs to understand that men can easily be physically abused in straight relationshipsits amazing that that isnt immediately taken as 'oh, so she likely takes her anger out on the kids too'. i mean, dont get me wrong, sux that it happened to you too, but id assume since they are there to look after the well being of the kids that would be their first inclination to hearing that one of the parents has an anger problem. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/12/24 05:36 PM |
| 1 | Society needs to understand that men can easily be physically abused in straight relationshipswell, that doesnt make sense to me. me using the laws as they are written dont make me a lawyer. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/12/24 04:47 PM |
| 2 | Genuine dysphoria induced from misandry. (Hear me out.)this is such an aside, but given that gender stereotypes are cultural artifacts, would it necessarily be racist to note that within a given cultural context this or that grouping of people tends to exhibit more or less masculine or feminine traits? i mean, isnt that just a culturally relative claim? granted it could be used in a racist way, as in 'see how feminine [yuckies] those asians are'. but noting that within one cultural context a certain set of traits is masculine or feminine is just bei… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/24 08:00 PM |
| 5 | Genuine dysphoria induced from misandry. (Hear me out.)folks have foolishly conflated gender with political parties. that has in turn translated to pretty silly, hateful, and outlandish behavior in groups that identify along a political axis. welcome to queerdom, where you arent technically welcome anywhere even as you belong everywhere. youre experience isnt unique, you arent alone. youre welcome here. due to the aforementioned foolishness, this space has a queer quality to it, being that it is male focused in a politic that has been, foolishly, ge… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/24 07:09 PM |
| 20 | Society needs to understand that men can easily be physically abused in straight relationshipsgood for you, men ought not tolerate the abuse that women bring to them. i think women are simply not taught any kind of self control as a matter of culture or formal education in regards to harming men or treating them poorly. perhaps in general idk. to be violent towards men is seen as an acceptable, normal, even good thing for women to do. when they get angry, they are not taught self control in how to deal with it, instead they are taught to express it. they are taught to harm men as a means… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/24 06:53 PM |
| 6 | Society needs to understand that men can easily be physically abused in straight relationshipspretty sure thats just women doing that, not 'feminists'. but i agree with your point. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/24 06:44 PM |
| 5 | Just a reminder to those who haven't left. This site wants you to feel hated. They want men to be pushed into further radicalization. For the sake of your own mental well-being. Leave this website.i feel like this ignores the history and the pragamtics. the 'vulnerable categories' protection is meant to deal with pre-existing and real world discriminations that have happened and continue to happen. youre pointing to the ideal, without acknowledging how to get there. if black people in america are being systematically, legally, and culturally discriminated against, you need to have some kind of special protections in place to stop that. hence you create special categories of protection. sa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/24 06:40 PM |
| 2 | Just a reminder to those who haven't left. This site wants you to feel hated. They want men to be pushed into further radicalization. For the sake of your own mental well-being. Leave this website.i think this is consistent with my point, its doesnt moot it. the point of noting that it affects protected categories of men is to display that fallacy in their thinking and policy. you cannot disambiguate 'men' from the subcategories that it comprises. black men are men. gay men are men. white men are men. they are all of them men. to allow discrimination against men is to definitionally allow discrimination against all the subcategories thereof. that would include white men. i dont personally… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/24 06:27 PM |
| 4 | Just a reminder to those who haven't left. This site wants you to feel hated. They want men to be pushed into further radicalization. For the sake of your own mental well-being. Leave this website.youve moved from categorical concerns to individual concerns. the scalar difference actually matters here. the question isnt about if you are a racist or not for doing so, the questions are if a protected class of people are being ruthlessly attacked or not. which they are. black men are a protected class of people. by attacking men in general, you are also allowing the attacking of queer men, transmen, gay men, asian men, black men, and so on. thats just how that works. moreover, you cant disam… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/24 06:22 PM |
| 1 | Just a reminder to those who haven't left. This site wants you to feel hated. They want men to be pushed into further radicalization. For the sake of your own mental well-being. Leave this website.that sounds correct. id add that in addition to being marginalized because they are men, it can even specifically be because they are black men. the categories just cant be well segregated. some folks have argued that this entails that there can be no discrimination except in a contextualized sense, e.g. no one is discriminated against because they are a woman, they are discriminated against because they are a poly queer short brown lady who works as a secretary. i dont fully buy that myself, i … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/24 06:08 PM |
| 11 | Just a reminder to those who haven't left. This site wants you to feel hated. They want men to be pushed into further radicalization. For the sake of your own mental well-being. Leave this website.that does appear to be their reasoning. its terrible reasoning, its disproven in the academic lit on the topic, it makes no logical sense either. but hey, fuck it, why not. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/24 10:22 PM |
| 17 | Just a reminder to those who haven't left. This site wants you to feel hated. They want men to be pushed into further radicalization. For the sake of your own mental well-being. Leave this website.tru, this is the point of the criticsm No Categorical Instantiation Fallacy as noted here. When people say 'men' what they are referring to has to real world instantiation. they dont mean black men (but they do), they dont mean gay men (but they do), they dont mean poor men (but they do), they dont mean immigrant men (but they do), and so on. if you push the point there are no real instantiations of the category 'men' to which they are willing to apply their claim. so when they say 'its all men'… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/24 10:14 PM |
| 2 | National Review: The Democrats Have a Woman Problemi am pro defensive action, even physical confrontation. i dont think that is an abnormal or extreme position. defending yourself or others is a normal sort of thing to do. even 'seeking it out' in the sense of finding instance where they can be such a defensive group is normal, not extreme, kinds of behavior. the extreme therein is the offense folks, the instigators of the violence, whomever they be (fascists, is always fascists), hence the 'antifascist' moniker. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/24 06:45 PM |
| 12 | Just a reminder to those who haven't left. This site wants you to feel hated. They want men to be pushed into further radicalization. For the sake of your own mental well-being. Leave this website.could be, sadly. it wouldnt surprise me at all if there are serious monied incentives to allow radicalizing rhetoric. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/24 06:40 PM |
| 87 | Just a reminder to those who haven't left. This site wants you to feel hated. They want men to be pushed into further radicalization. For the sake of your own mental well-being. Leave this website.just some things worth pointing out: men as a group exist in all the 'vulnerable categories', except women, tho of course women are no more really a 'vulnerable category' than men, howsoever people want to cut that. this is common lore in racial studies and gender studies. you cannot separate out men, or women, or queer people, from the other categories they exist within, black, white, filipino, etc... allowing the harassment of men is allowing the harassment of black men, native american men, q… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/24 06:18 PM |
| 1 | National Review: The Democrats Have a Woman Problembeing a political minority doesnt make one an extreme. id also say being against fascism, antifascist, simply isnt a minority position. tho regardless of if it is, it isnt an extreme position. fascism is an extreme position, opposing it is a definitionally non-extreme position. as for the feminism quip, depends a whole lot of what feminism you talking bout right? there are a broad spectrum of feminist dispositions, some of them are extreme, some of them are not. indeed, there are gendered theori… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/24 07:21 AM |
| 1 | How you deal with misandrist hate?not really. no more than anyone else i suppose. the tater tots that follow tate, or the jp minis mimicking jp, or the trad con cucks that dream of 1950s hotwife cuck husband culture, they pretty similar. there is just an overarching taboo against the men doing those sorts of things, they just as sheeple tho. and those folks tend to be pretty solipsistic too for that matter. | /r/MensRights | 07/12/24 06:04 AM |
| 1 | How you deal with misandrist hate?oh, i dont think all women are, as opposed to, say, all people are. id be willing to entertain the notion that everyone is a bit solipsistic, just in the there is a bit of idealism predicated upon the self that individuals have. but im unconvinced that women in particular as a category of people are more inclined towards such, or that men are less inclined. I do and have noticed tho that in the pop discourses women are oft encourage to be such, and men are discouraged to be such. which i am sure… | /r/MensRights | 07/12/24 05:44 AM |
| 1 | How you deal with misandrist hate?solipsism is a philosophical concept, not a psychological one. solipsism is the belief that you and only you exist, everything else is a product of your mind. it stems from berkley, its a kind of idealism. they believe the whole of world is but a mind dependent construct. its related to skepticism and nihilism. tho i am sure that folks use it as a synonym for narcissist. | /r/MensRights | 07/12/24 04:02 AM |
| 2 | The left or progressives seem to have a strong hatred of individualism. And I think this could be harmful for men issues.the rugged individualism of women is a real problem these days. the rugged individualism point is an old line from feminist lit used as criticism against men in particular. that they need no one, they can do it themselves, society ought not help them, others ought not help them, and so on. somewhere along the line, a disturbingly large number of feminsitas started touting their own rugged individualism. they need no man, no men, no one, they are self-sufficient, they are 'empowered' and so on. i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/12/24 03:36 AM |
| 1 | Wouldn't find funny if the genders were reversedthe hatred is whats important for them, the misandrists. there is little more to them than that at this point either. just pitiable balls of hatred towards men. the saddest people to have ever lived. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 07/12/24 02:59 AM |
| 1 | Apparently Misandrists are now extending there pathetic attack against trans men.id suggest that the proper aim within activism is inclusiveness, and anyone being divisive predicated on race, class, gender or sexuality ought be confronted on it. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 06/12/24 08:30 PM |
| 5 | National Review: The Democrats Have a Woman Problemmens issues are not 'rightwing' nor are womens issues 'leftwing', nor does caring bout them one way or the other necessarily entail that one is right or left leaning, nor again does caring bout queer issues denote a right or left leaning. gender isnt a political orientation. im sure anyone could do that all day for most any left leaning or right leaning outlet, e.g. make arguments that they are 'far left' or 'far right'. this is because the terms are vague and people idiosyncratically define the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/24 07:18 PM |
| 1 | Good news: the Second Circuit broadens the path for accused teachers/students put through sham misconduct proceedings to sue their schools"the more local the less likely that pople will be fair" pretty strong disagree. the more localization of judicial application, enforcement, the better, generally speaking at any rate. the issues here relate pretty strongly to the just world fallacy, the belief that thing are likely to dispense justice if given the chance. people naturally get what they deserve. which just isnt tru. the point of a localized disposition is to dissuade from this disposition. tho i fully admit that if we have at ha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/24 07:16 AM |
| 1 | Action Item: Send Your Words of Hope to Survivors of Prison Rapetru stuff. thanks for posting this. the degree that male victims of rape are ignored is an ethical travesty. reaching out to victims of such horrendous acts is a principled and primary way to show support and solidarity for them, and to raise awareness of the facts that male rape victims are across the board disregarded. rape culture is the normalization, acceptance, and even the celebrations of rape. while there are some instances of that occurring for female victims of rape, by and large rape … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/24 06:40 AM |
| 1 | Good news: the Second Circuit broadens the path for accused teachers/students put through sham misconduct proceedings to sue their schoolsi disagree with you that schools ought not be involved. but aside from that, this is good news. thanks for posting it. to the disagreement, this is akin to labor concerns or any other sort of concern whereby we would tend towards wanting them to be settled on a more local and specific level if possible. having companies, universities, and labor unions, and there ought be more of those, involved in the processes, is generally better. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/24 06:08 AM |
| 4 | National Review: The Democrats Have a Woman ProblemThat aligns with the Democratic party and wealthy American liberals: all the focus in on culture wars, completely unwilling to challenge Wallstreet. vague agreement. i dont think tho that the liberals are left, i think the neoliberals and neoconcervitives are their own sort of thing that surround individualistic beliefs with small differences on both economic and social issues. i also think the whole gender discourse is politically confused, mistaking political party for political positions, gen… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/24 03:46 AM |
| 30 | Legal Consequences of Getting Rapedthis is what is known as rape culture by definition. a rape culture is where rape is celebrated, legally enforced, and normalized. this only applies to men across the board, the only known example of a rape culture that targets women is instances of war, where oft raping women was normalized, slavery, and outgrouped classes of people, such as native americans. ingrouped women, which is most women, are prioritized and their sexuality guarded as a norm. notice too how raped boys or men have no say… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/24 03:02 AM |
| 3 | Curious newcomerbest advise is to poke around the site and read some of the pre-exiting posts to get a sense as to what the community is like. personally i find there to be a lot of similarities between the online 'manosphere' and 'femosphere' folks. both seem radicalized in a bad way, antagonistic, mean spirited, oft vitriolic towards each other and really anyone that is critical of them in any way. i also tend strongly towards the view that this is largely due to the online discourse being polarizing by way o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/12/24 12:20 AM |
| 42 | National Review: The Democrats Have a Woman Problemthe guardian isnt far left, and the national review isnt far right. the national review has largely be staunchly against trump, still is too, tho not entirely uniformly so. traditionally they have regularly pushed back specifically against the far right. the guardian doesnt tend to support communistic or statist positions, they are oft critical of even socialist democratics, they tend towards a leftist position for sure, but they are hardly far left. aside from that, thanks for the post. it is g… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/12/24 10:50 PM |
| 31 | Absolute Fucking Trashraping a man at all wasnt considered a crime until recently, and women raping men is still not considered a crime in most of the world. in other words, women do it all the time, and no one cares one wit bout it. there are a host of movements and websites dedicated to harassing men, destroying ex boyfriends and husbands lives until they are literally run out of their social groups, families, even communities. these not only exist, they are celebrated. there are laws, whole political apparatus tha… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 05/12/24 10:33 PM |
| 1 | The Misguided Transmutation Of Migrant Labor Concerns For Those Of Gendered Concerns Highlighting Womens Issues At The Expense Of Mens Issues; Failures Of IntersectionalityFirst of all, that is a misinterpretation of what I am saying. I am not saying it is true in all of academia. I am saying it is true of intersectionality and its proponents. fair enough. note tho that this point gets undermined by your second claim. And second, Really ? How confident are you about that ? Have you heard of the grievance studies affair ? i have heard of that, more or less at any rate. it was part of a broader point regarding the academics that they are kinda fucked across the boar… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/12/24 10:13 PM |
| 3 | Imagine using someone’s horrific torture and murder as a political tool against your perceived enemiesreading up on it, i think i tend to agree with the observation, and the reality, i dont however tend to agree with the rationale, e.g. that broad power differentials (dominant/subordinate groupings) are good explainers of it. its an interesting point tho, and i also agree that the dynamic that is being described is roughly a good descriptor of how racism arises, e.g. that there is a sexualized component whereby women in particular target outgrouped men predicated upon dispositions of assumed sex… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 05/12/24 09:38 PM |
| 3 | Imagine using someone’s horrific torture and murder as a political tool against your perceived enemiesyep, and not just any immigrants, the targets are typical male immigrants. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 05/12/24 07:28 PM |
| 1 | Such a Myopic Way of Thinkingtend to agree. folks are playing pretend with psychology when they do this. take them at face value rather than attempting to explain away their arguments by way of suppositions of their motives. this is already a logical fallacy, albeit not a formal one. their motive could be white knighting, getting some sweet puss or thinking it will take them to the moon to do so. what important is what their arguments are. doing so also allows you to undercut them when they do the same. cause again, it is a… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 05/12/24 12:36 AM |
| 1 | More prejudice, deflection and even a little projectiontru, tho managing womens emotions for them is broadly the norm. there is projection happening in the op on this point in particular. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 05/12/24 12:22 AM |
| 10 | Imagine using someone’s horrific torture and murder as a political tool against your perceived enemiesrecall tens of thousands of men were lynched like emmett till, in america. it was not a unique phenomena to america or black men tho. every country that has ever existed has their emmett tills, men who 'offend women' based on sexuality in particular, and are lynched. the most direct current related phenomena are the various groups that castigate men based on puritanical suppositions regarding sexual 'wrong doing'. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 05/12/24 12:17 AM |
| 1 | The Misguided Transmutation Of Migrant Labor Concerns For Those Of Gendered Concerns Highlighting Womens Issues At The Expense Of Mens Issues; Failures Of Intersectionalityidk, i mean i dont disagree with the conclusion; intersectionality is a fucked theory. and i dont want to defend diangelo, fwiw i found laytonics retort to diangelo to be quite good, see here. but there are some thing you say in that comment you linked that i dont agree with, and some that i dont think are problems. you say that there is a cult-like bit happening in the universities, whereby if you dont agree with intersectionality's take on things, that you fail. i dont think this is tru. you m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/12/24 07:10 PM |
| 2 | The Misguided Transmutation Of Migrant Labor Concerns For Those Of Gendered Concerns Highlighting Womens Issues At The Expense Of Mens Issues; Failures Of Intersectionalityindeed, it was marketed to be that if we just deal with the relatively niche areas of concern, narrow our focus, we would thereby address all the other concerns in the process. if we deal with the 'most oppressed' of the trafficked peoples, we thereby deal with all the oppressed trafficked peoples. in practice, we end up ignoring the overwhelming majority of trafficked people, vilifying them even as part of the problem, and hyperfocus our attention on areas that tend to support the problems over… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/12/24 05:03 PM |
| 1 | The Misguided Transmutation Of Migrant Labor Concerns For Those Of Gendered Concerns Highlighting Womens Issues At The Expense Of Mens Issues; Failures Of Intersectionalitythat may be an unintended affect of it, i dont think it was the intent. at least not from what ive read. i could be wrong tho. maybe they had a cynicism embedded within the framing? im more apt to believe that it is just a certain mode of femininity, the weakwoman, who gains power by centering herself and her needs that others might take care of her. it would be no surprise if it turned out that feminism has within it rather strikingly rightwing and fascistic elements to it. intersectionality, w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/12/24 04:56 PM |
| 2 | On a subreddit for 'exposing misogyny' loli saw a vid by cheyenne lin here in which she makes the same claim, e.g. misandry doesnt exist. the feministas appear to be approaching full delusion mode. the whole argument is literally 'murder doesnt exist so long as the murderer is oppressed.' its bonkers shite folks. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 03/12/24 01:16 AM |
| 18 | Boy gets raped, then he's sent to jailmy suspicion is that this could happen in most any country at this point, as the notion of a woman raping a man is just not yet well accepted. my suspicion is that younger boys get raped by older women quite often, and that the norm is still to blame the boy regardless as to if the blame is bout rape or not, e.g. 'he's responsible for the sex, not her.' | /r/EverydayMisandry | 03/12/24 01:10 AM |
| 1 | Fd Pushes The Point That Misogyny And Racism Were To Blame For The Election Loss, Asking To Be Rebuffed. Its The Misandry From The Left That Cost Them The Electiontend to agree, i mean, if any male issues were advocated for by the dems that would go a long ways towards securing the male vote. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/24 01:31 AM |
| 2 | In the 70s, rates of domestic violence homicide between men and women were almost equal...the only other things id add here is that there has also been a long standing tendency within that same timeframe to reclassify female on male violence of any sort as self-defense, and conversely any male on female violence as aggression, and this especially in the instances of violence between spouses. I think that overall its going to be a relatively complex matter to even understand how all that pans out in the data, take here for instance The legal pitfalls domestic violence victims face whe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/24 01:14 AM |
| 2 | Fd Pushes The Point That Misogyny And Racism Were To Blame For The Election Loss, Asking To Be Rebuffed. Its The Misandry From The Left That Cost Them The Electionthis seems like the correct take. there are a host of people who simply would vote for her due to her race and gender. those are net positives, not negatives. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/11/24 06:38 PM |
| 1 | As a feminist I might be over looking the men's issue. So tell me what are they?maybe the biggest possible issue there, or the most fundamental at any rate, is that i cannot believe that this is tru. i mean, i entirely doubt the ops intent. imma disregard that, even as i state it, cause that the reality, and the most important point you gonna hear. the gaslighting on mens issues is so intense, i and no one else has any reason to believe OP or anyone else that shows even the slightest sympathy let alone empathy to any mens issues whatsoever. you might take me as a bitter det… | /r/MensRights | 29/11/24 04:20 AM |
| 1 | The Misatopia, Misogny, And Misandry, As The Left Grapples With Their QAnon Lunacy That Is Patriarchal Realism In The Post-Election Fallout1) weve time. the queers have time. weve always existed, we always will. may as well accept that, and then take the slower but more fruitful approach. same for everyone else, mens issues, etc... there's a piece of advice given by a philosophy prof some years ago now. idk that advice is even the right word, a mode of evaluation he used. how big a splash you make? as in, scoring a driver leaping from on high into the waters towards the deep below. the splash one leaves in the wake of the effort is… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/24 03:56 AM |
| 6 | Girl abuses her boyfriend on a regular basis and he livestreamed all of itits only remarkable that anyone would defend the behavior. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 29/11/24 03:42 AM |
| 3 | In Honor of It Being Thanksgiving Here’s a Positive Message I Got That Means a Lotnov 19th, international mens day. strikes me that positing the positive messages about men would be a good thing to do at on that day. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 29/11/24 03:10 AM |
| 4 | Fd Pushes The Point That Misogyny And Racism Were To Blame For The Election Loss, Asking To Be Rebuffed. Its The Misandry From The Left That Cost Them The Electionbroad agreement, and just wanna say that. id only add that it is a bit more specific imo than identitarians, namely, its the intersectionality. i tend towards this route bc in the pragmatics of politics and reality, what matters to specific groupings of people actually does differ. how to deliver for them, how to address their needs, and so on. I mean, for instance, family issues vary but subcategory, family issues by race really are different, as they are by class, gender and sexuality. not eve… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/24 02:49 AM |
| 5 | Fd Pushes The Point That Misogyny And Racism Were To Blame For The Election Loss, Asking To Be Rebuffed. Its The Misandry From The Left That Cost Them The Electionim actually of the view that folks on the left in particular the online left ought be touting bidens policies and expanding on them. recall when the gop said something like 'biden is the most left wing president in american history' and he said 'yup, thanks'. i bet you dont, bc the online left didnt signal boost that. he was, in fact, at least since fdr, the most lefty president in american history. the online left dropped the ball. it can be picked up again. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/24 02:40 AM |
| 19 | Fd Pushes The Point That Misogyny And Racism Were To Blame For The Election Loss, Asking To Be Rebuffed. Its The Misandry From The Left That Cost Them The Electionto me its only amazing that folks are bending over backwards and into pretzels to try and pretending that telling a group of people that you hate their guts isnt why they didnt vote for your team. Show a little love, maybe that gonna work better and i mean, some people like it like that. its a bit sad that its a team sport, but even on the most basic level, this shouldnt be an argument. the people you are wanting to vote for you are asking you to not treat them like piles of garbage. it aint tha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/24 02:37 AM |
| 4 | Fd Pushes The Point That Misogyny And Racism Were To Blame For The Election Loss, Asking To Be Rebuffed. Its The Misandry From The Left That Cost Them The Electionwell, i wouldnt speak to him poorly to begin with, and the aim wouldnt be to get him to shut up, the aim would be to get him and other folks to listen and dialog better. on this point in particular, fd asks to be criticized. he asked to be proven wrong. he asked and said he would listen. good on him for that. op's point is pretty plain and straightforward. it is a direct proof against his main claim, which is a patriarchal realist claim that the society as a whole overall is a patriarchy and tha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/24 02:22 AM |
| 18 | Fd Pushes The Point That Misogyny And Racism Were To Blame For The Election Loss, Asking To Be Rebuffed. Its The Misandry From The Left That Cost Them The Electionid only reiterate that a major reason male voters who arent like hardcore righties types are giving for why they either didnt vote or voted trump was that they were alienated by the left specifically the online left who trash men constantly. misandry. harris didnt do that, but she suffered the hit for it. clinton did trash men, she got what she deserved in losing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/24 02:03 AM |
| 3 | Fd Pushes The Point That Misogyny And Racism Were To Blame For The Election Loss, Asking To Be Rebuffed. Its The Misandry From The Left That Cost Them The Electionits tru, i dont provide much evidence for it. i may not here either. i do mention the anacdotal bit regarding my father voting without really knowing policy, and i suspect that a lot of folks do that. just the 'im dem' or 'im left' so why bother being overly concerned with the policy aspects? politics as team sports isnt a particularly novel take, one i think folks can generally agree is something of a problem. certainly, at any rate, ive heard that as being a real problem for a long time now. w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/24 02:00 AM |
| 3 | Fd Pushes The Point That Misogyny And Racism Were To Blame For The Election Loss, Asking To Be Rebuffed. Its The Misandry From The Left That Cost Them The Electionthe vitriol is a very real problem. tho to be clear im actually ok being vitriolic to fascists. idk that it is necessarily the best strategy all the time, but i dont think 'being nice and kind' to fascists is particularly the way to handle fascism. on the gender issues tho, kindness, love, care, and compassion are goods to do, even reaching out as far as folks can towards others dissimilar to themselves, but especially towards the ends and aims of bridging gendered divides, and not being interna… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/24 01:51 AM |
| 3 | Fd Pushes The Point That Misogyny And Racism Were To Blame For The Election Loss, Asking To Be Rebuffed. Its The Misandry From The Left That Cost Them The Electionim familiar with this notion. its a misleading affect of conceptualization and theorizing on a given topic. in philosophy we would refer to this as a tendency to over simplify a problem by effectively pretending that the all phenomena are causally related to the system in question. its tunnel vision, 'everythings a nail to a hammer' just like how economists tend to understand everything in terms of economics, and consequentialist utilitarians in their terms, and divine realists in their terms, f… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/24 01:48 AM |
| 3 | Fd Pushes The Point That Misogyny And Racism Were To Blame For The Election Loss, Asking To Be Rebuffed. Its The Misandry From The Left That Cost Them The Election"We can’t overgeneralize from swing states to all states" this is the main flaw in fd's use of the data to which op is pointing to. his overall claim isnt just that 'misogyny and racism caused the loss' it is that 'misogyny and racism are systemic issues that fundamentally shape the electorate across the board', patriarchal realism. fd also plainly relies on intersectionality, which is just a theory, not a great one, but it is taken like gospel. im actually more inclined to believe in the racism… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/24 01:36 AM |
| 1 | The Misatopia, Misogny, And Misandry, As The Left Grapples With Their QAnon Lunacy That Is Patriarchal Realism In The Post-Election Falloutthanks for asking. misatopia is a neologism meaning 'hatred of queers'. its a term i asked the a.i. to come up with that puts ''hatred of queers' on a level with hatred of men (misandry) and hatred of women (misogyny). if i am recalling correctly, atopia is being derived from the greek and meaning something like 'otherly' and 'rare'. in the context of gender meaning something like 'a gendered expression aside from the norm'. you can look up either atopia or atopy. it can also refer to feelings o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/24 01:13 AM |
| 1 | The Misatopia, Misogny, And Misandry, As The Left Grapples With Their QAnon Lunacy That Is Patriarchal Realism In The Post-Election Falloutthey will double down until they dont. keep pushing it, over and over again until they break. it isnt easy, but it does work and it can be done. it is disheartening, i know, been at this a long while myself. comporting yourselves well, with civility towards them, and sticking to key aspects can be fruitful. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/24 01:10 AM |
| 1 | The Misatopia, Misogny, And Misandry, As The Left Grapples With Their QAnon Lunacy That Is Patriarchal Realism In The Post-Election Falloutim not big on excluding feminists or queers. for one thing, queers are also men. i mean, not all of em obviously, but some of em. for another, and far more important thing, the aim is coalition and inclusion, not segregation and exclusion. differentiating between the ideological commitments of feminism and gender related topics that are inherently exclusionary of masculinity and men is a valid thing, but part of that is exactly including those ideological commitments of feminism and gender theor… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/24 01:07 AM |
| 2 | The Misatopia, Misogny, And Misandry, As The Left Grapples With Their QAnon Lunacy That Is Patriarchal Realism In The Post-Election Falloutoh idk. i think i understand where youre coming from, i dont think his point was to make a caricature of homosexuals, he was pretty explicitly speaking of fantasy portrayals of elves and wanting them to have broader scope than that, and just how ridiculous and unrealistic the portrayal of elves was. there is overlap between that caricatures of elves and caricatures of homosexuals, but that has to with how elves are portrayed, not homosexuals per se. i guess i am not inclined to believe that a cr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/11/24 02:58 PM |
| 7 | This is really toxic and self depreciating!im somewhat indifferent to the point. i dont think the proper thing to do is beat your partner more or less in any case. i appreciate the capacity of men to not be violent, the training, self-discipline involved are actually good things, something far more women should do. the proper lesson there being that women are violet af, and they dont get called out for it, let alone punished for it the way that men are. oft their violent behavior is even encouraged. i do support showing a lover that what… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 28/11/24 02:42 PM |
| 3 | Are you kidding me right now? This is why I am not proud to be Malaysian.there is a good argument that strict gender segregation is inherently sexist to everyone, so includes misandry. but in this and many other cases, whereby women seek to have their own private spaces that are devoid of men, this is entirely misandry as it predicated upon a belief that men are inherently harmful to women. the irrational fear of men, a phobic kind of response, which dictates that women ought be segregated from men 'for their own safety'. This is almost always upheld by irrational be… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 27/11/24 11:30 PM |
| 1 | Same shit, different daynote the fairly direct attack on male sexuality, a kind of hyper puritanism that seeks to control if, when, and how men can feel sexuality. this is the same rationale used for saying that women ought cover up, just with a bit of a gendered flip to. she is deeply misandristic and authoritarian, seeking to control other peoples thoughts, feelings, and even where and why they look. its super gross shite. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 27/11/24 10:48 PM |
| 3 | What do all points besides the first even have to do with women being saved first?note their irrational belief that 'men built society', e.g. as if women had no role whatsoever in all of human history towards building society. i swear to yall folks, Patriarchal Realism is a fundamental underpinning bit of lunacy for these people. women helped build societies, all of them, throughout all of human history. id note such is a basic point in most feminist and gender studies theories too. the notion that women were passive victims of history has long since been noted as itself a mo… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 27/11/24 10:45 PM |
| 2 | 18 year old Marcus Fakana facing up to 20 years in UAE jail for having sex with 17-year old girl.the misandry here is the targeting of male sexuality. ethically speaking regardless of any legal structures (laws are not ethics), there is nothing wrong and everything right with an 18 and 17 y/o having sexual relations. its also almost always the men and male sexuality being targeted in these kinds of actions too. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 27/11/24 10:31 PM |
| 3 | What does "the standard patriarchal presence" mean? Remember, all transphobia is misardry.standard patriarchal presence is a derivative of Patriarchal Realism as noted here in essence, it is an entirely crazed position that holds that women were oppressed since the dawn of time, and men were oppressors since the dawn of time. this entails a kind of ever presence of 'patriarchy' simply in virtue of men existing. it is bioessentialist, gender essentialist, and holds to a variety of entirely unreasonable and unsubstantiated beliefs bout history, which again, can be summed up as the beli… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 27/11/24 03:14 AM |
| 6 | The Misatopia, Misogny, And Misandry, As The Left Grapples With Their QAnon Lunacy That Is Patriarchal Realism In The Post-Election Falloutyoure welcome. thanks for saying such. there is far too little positivity in comments. something of a lost art, an art im too unfamiliar with myself tbh. not to utterly deride criticisms, but there is a problem whereby folks come to have too little say positive bout things folks like. i suppose thumbs up and sharing and such is a means, but the positivity of comments in an important thing. So again, thanks, its always wonderful to hear anything positive to the point. its appreciated even if ive … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/11/24 02:08 AM |
| 2 | The Misatopia, Misogny, And Misandry, As The Left Grapples With Their QAnon Lunacy That Is Patriarchal Realism In The Post-Election Falloutdamn, that is one of the most real questions ive gotten in the past thirty five years, thanks. as i am forced to consider my choices of word used, the reality of it is that there is an old joke bout elves in DnD i heard from a DM i had as teenager who, of the elves, mocking them, said something like, the 'folksy folks frolicking through the fields of dick weeds signing as they sniff them'. he did a skipping motion with a happy face as he said this, wearing these super small and tight red shorts.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/11/24 01:11 AM |
| 1 | Women in mens toilet.id merely reiterate the comment here. if the SH is primarily bout your beleif, as opposed to the actions involved, then no, it isnt SH. SH, or SA or R are about actions that people take, not feelings that people have. | /r/MensRights | 27/11/24 12:32 AM |
| 0 | Disparities in what are construed 'attacks on" people by gender. "Attacks On Women Surge In Social Media"; in actuality, pro-lifer rhetoric surges, but this is considered 'an attack on women', meanwhile, #killallmen, #itsallmen, and #ichoosebear isnt considered an attack on men.OPs point is yall gotta bend over backwards to make YBMC bout women and not bout abortion. it is clearly, plainly, bout abotion. folks make the issue of abortion, a decidedly non-gendered issue into a gendered one, 'about women' when it isnt. its about abortion. whereas no one cares at all bout kam. its a joke. its funny. its haha. the double standard there is about the bending over backwards, not the outcome. if you think that YBMC is a gendered attack, you are bending over backwards to make th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/11/24 11:41 PM |
| 7 | The Misatopia, Misogny, And Misandry, As The Left Grapples With Their QAnon Lunacy That Is Patriarchal Realism In The Post-Election Fallouttldr is at the top already. I wouldnt have done such a long post without one, as i understand it is a lot to read, these days at any rate. fwiw tho, sometimes brevity isnt the proper way or aim;) i could do a middling length comment summing it up too if folks think that would be helpful. just lmk. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/11/24 08:16 PM |
| 1 | A thanks to everyone herei feel like i ought have something better to say here than i am, but i appreciate hearing the post and share the sentiment. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/11/24 07:34 AM |
| 1 | A thanks to everyone herei tend to view this not even exactly as an extremist thing. feminism simply isnt left wing. it isnt right wing, or centrist. it is a loose collection of philosophies that center of women as a sex and a gender. some of those are quite right wing, event fascistic. some are lefty, some centrist, some authoritarian, etc.... folks both tend to call 'feminist' that which they adhere to or prefer, when speaking of it in a positive, and call it 'feminist' that which the abhor and do not prefer when spea… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/11/24 07:27 AM |
| 1 | Responding to a post (Don't harrass the OP).i appreciate the length and depth of the post here. i find there are some common themes; abdicating their own culpability in the actions and responses. The whole 'men dont do xyz to help themselves', as if such justified them not doing anything at all, or absolved them of whatever culpability they have in their own actions. the dismissal itself being indicative of their own failures to address the problem. as in, we could eat most of the claims, and so 'so what bout yall tho?' 2) blame game shit… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/24 09:57 PM |
| 1 | No Books for men | John A. Douglasim fairly primed to believe this, which gives me serious reason to be skeptical. i know tho that there has been a long concerted push to make various genres more accessible (read interesting), to female audiences. so things exactly like fantasy novels being redone so as to not put women's only roles therein as hapless victims to be saved, etc... in fact, id say much of OP's point and argument sounds very familiar to those arguments, just with a gendered inversion. which is fine, dont get me wron… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/24 08:11 PM |
| 3 | Rosa Luxemburg vs “bourgeois women”, or how anti-capitalism is conspicuously (and predictably) absent from all the most visible claims for equalitytheres a pretty long history of criticisms of feminism and womens movements from the left, whereby the notion that they must give up their common conceptions of femininity in order to properly address gendered issues at all. feminism, and womens issues, are not necessarily left wing, which is why pretending that they are is quite dangerous and damaging to any leftist movements. See also the importance of not making movements bout personal preferences here especially as concerns womens issues, as… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/24 07:36 PM |
| 1 | Greater Manchester launches strategy on gender-based violence against men"The plan is part of a 10-year gender-based violence strategy and has the backing of Greater Manchester’s gender-based violence board, which includes representatives from several women’s organisations." and "“The government’s priority to halve violence against women and girls in the next 10 years is one we wholeheartedly support. “But we don’t want anyone to experience gender-based violence and abuse, and that includes men and boys, and that’s why in Greater Manchester, we’ve always had a gender… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/11/24 05:17 AM |
| 17 | reddit being lovely as alwaysmy sense on this is that folks studying it have used gender coded modes of 'aggression' to make the claims. whenever ive spoken to people bout it, that is what it sounds like at any rate. what you mean by aggression? i mean physically pushing someone. what bout emotional manipulation? or social sabotage? isnt that aggression? no, thats defense, or something else entirely what folks typically mean by aggression is male coded modes of aggression. at which point no shite men 'more aggressive when w… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 25/11/24 01:41 AM |
| 1 | Rule changes and thinking out loud about the disinformation age and the state of the subfew thoughts on this: 1) strengthen and enforce existing rule 6 'avoid generalized language'. ive found i regularly retort to folks that 'it isnt all feminists' or 'it isnt all women' and so on. 2) personally i regularly attack ideas, specific ideas, Patriarchal Realism and puritanism, rather than 'feminists' or 'women', but i understand that that isnt exactly practical in many circumstances. on a strategic level, doing '1' and '2' turns those kinds of views into minority views, isolating them t… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 24/11/24 01:33 AM |
| 5 | I Finally Understand Edgelordsidk that ill watch it. ive watched a fair amount of his stuff before, but i know hes a deep seeded misandrist and a patriarchal realist. for him pretty much everything boils down to 'patriarchy' and men doing bad things. i dont see him as any different than trump and vance blaming mexican men; hes just picked a different type of man to blame for the worlds problems. at fd's best, which i do think is pretty good, he provides reasonable analysis on issues of racism in particular. its only daunting… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/11/24 09:32 AM |
| 3 | How can we mitigate the current political divide between Young Men and Women; except not misandristic in content.Imma try and give a comprehensive response here. 1) divide and conquer. By differentiating between pop feminism (feministas) and academic feminism, you remove the cover pop feminism has of legitimacy. You also provide a valid means for folks who identify as feminists, or gender theorists, to remove themselves from the radical and pop elements. 2) provide a specific set of parameters to focus on. Ive outlined those here via text, and here via vid. This provides people with a means of understandin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/11/24 08:53 PM |
| 9 | How can we mitigate the current political divide between Young Men and Women; except not misandristic in content.good correction | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/11/24 06:43 PM |
| 10 | How can we mitigate the current political divide between Young Men and Women; except not misandristic in content.agree, also note that all the proposed solutions they are offering blame men both on a personal level and on a societal level. have a problem? get therapy. why? cause its a you problem. it is something wrong with you, not an expression of a real issue in your life that you are dealing with. its just you. need a role model? thats cause you personally chose tate as a role model, or men in general keep putting for bad role models. cant be that those are symptoms of serious issues regarding mens iss… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/11/24 06:42 PM |
| 13 | How can we mitigate the current political divide between Young Men and Women; except not misandristic in content.thats good. i dont wanna come off as being overly defending of 'em either. i just think the conflating of 'feminism' with the most vitriolic elements of online discourse is not a good thing. most the things i hear over there are extremist right wing takes on feminism, not even gender studies, and things that were long ago considered largely or completely disreputable within the academics of gender studies. those folks aint scholars of gender studies, or even feminism. edit: i wanna be clear tho.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/11/24 04:57 AM |
| 2 | Found this gem on Twittertru, there has been a long standing concerted effort to not only exclude male victims of rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment, and stalking, but also to exclude female perps. most oft this is done by law, as in, laws simply by default exclude them, but maybe more importantly, cultures exclude the possibility. folks have a difficult time even conceiving of a woman raping a man, actively protest against the possibility, and actively celebrate it when it happens. talk bout some spicy rape cultur… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 22/11/24 04:50 AM |
| 21 | How can we mitigate the current political divide between Young Men and Women; except not misandristic in content.dont ever mistake r/AskFeminists as being representative of women of even academic feminism. i dont view them in any better light than i would view tate or musk or trump as being representative of masculine concerns. the algorithms in no small part have played folks to contort themselves into hate filled balls of bs. the self declared feminists are no different. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/11/24 04:39 AM |
| 11 | How can we mitigate the current political divide between Young Men and Women; except not misandristic in content.i think the proper historical analysis is that those measures may have over shot their aims. i mean, it was, definitely was the case that women were wildly under represented in university and in job markets for a variety of reasons i wouldnt entirely chalk up to misogyny, tho that was also a player there. any analysis that ignores that is being dishonest. im also not really willing to conflate all of feminism with whatever political of social manifestation is currently has. just as i wouldnt wit… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/11/24 04:36 AM |
| 15 | How can we mitigate the current political divide between Young Men and Women; except not misandristic in content.tend to agree, the solutions gonna have to come from the left, cause the rights problems with men are.... idk, wild and self destructive. i appreciate the 'heroic death wish' point, dont want to detract from that. the left in principle at least offers a breadth of masculine experiences, just needs to handle the problems of the feministas online activities that seek to suffocate it favor of their as sicko worship of femininity. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/11/24 04:06 AM |
| 73 | How can we mitigate the current political divide between Young Men and Women; except not misandristic in content.understand, they are speaking of punishing little boys too. they're horrible people, who would gladly harm little boys as much as they possibly can to make their point. they know no bounds of humanity, for they do not view boys and men as human beings worthy of basic levels of respect. the comment simply displays the problems with over policing, prison populations being dominated by boys and men, and minorities too. Im sure if you confronted them if they mean little black boys theyd be like 'no,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/11/24 04:01 AM |
| 1 | Can someone offer counter-evidence against the WHO claim that 1 in 3 women are victims of domestic and sexual violence?the main counterpoint to these kinds of stats is that they are playing with the numbers. these are not criminal data, they are surveys which folks who make those surveys rig the questions to get the answers that they want. there is a post you can look up called the 451 Percenters in the left wing male advocates group that goes over the whole thing in depth. but the main points therein are that folks making these wild claims have changed the definitions of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and r… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/24 03:56 AM |
| 10 | Pretty funny how they can’t handle their jokes back at them even slightlyhatred is their aim. they have a big feel, hatred towards men, a.k.a. misandry. anything that boosts that feeling is a plus to them. anything that doesnt or actively depresses that emotion is a negative. folks can pretty much understand their entire response predicated upon that point, cause misandry, like any misanthropy, is stupid, easy to spot, and relatively easy to dislodge. tho it does take effort. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 22/11/24 03:01 AM |
| 1 | Is The Left Dangerously Out Of Touch?didnt mean anything negative, i meant 'you should consider what you said as taken as well-meaning advice'. tone and such can be difficult to read. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/11/24 04:16 AM |
| 1 | Is The Left Dangerously Out Of Touch?consider it taken as such then. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/24 07:12 PM |
| 34 | What is your response to "abuse towards women was normal back then"?one aspect of this phenomena is the 'progressive arch of history' narrative. that is, the belief that the past peoples were primitive by comparison to the current. this sort of phenomena is prevalent in all sorts of areas, but it is also in play in the gendered discourses, where the belief is that women were oppressed since the dawn of time, and we are only really dragging ourselves out of that oppression 'right now', where of course 'right now' is always just whatever the current state is. patr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/24 07:00 PM |
| 17 | What is your response to "abuse towards women was normal back then"?one thing you are pointing to that is highly relevant is the differences between the media, how media portrayed a thing, and what the reality of it really was or is. i recall the campaigns to portray women in particular as being ignored in their abuse, as a means of trying to address domestic abuse against women. doesnt mean the reality was that women were ignored, but in the pop narratives that became a thing, and i suspect that folks in the current believe that was the case now, even tho it re… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/24 06:55 PM |
| 1 | Is The Left Dangerously Out Of Touch?i appreciate the criticism, i understand there is a certain audience that prefers 'precision and concision', sometimes im even one of them. that just isnt really what i am going for rn tho, and personally i dont think that it harms the content, i think it enhances it and makes it generally more accessible. there is an aim for a balance between hammering on specific points and providing context and depth to them by way of such things as poetics, musical references, and flowery language. things th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/24 06:43 PM |
| 1 | push mens issues into the dem partybiden improved labor conditions and pay for tens of millions of men, trump seeks to destroy their lives. neither of them did it 'for men', neither of them thought of these as 'mens issues'. trump just hates women and dems, and vindictively attacks them. much as how feministas attack men online! biden was interested in Labor and improving the lives of people, not vengeance. good for him too! we should all be so blessed to have a pres looking to do that for us. but neither of them did it for men. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/24 04:12 AM |
| 2 | Is The Left Dangerously Out Of Touch?seems pretty straightforwards to the definition actually, an overly moralistic view, especially of sexuality. if you find yourself nitpicking other peoples sex lives trying to find some moral 'wrong' theyve done, pretty sure that youre a puritan. words have meanings. now, people can believe that sexuality ought be nitpicked and moralized from beginning to end, an 'affirmative consent script and contract' that is written out beforehand, signed, or proscribed norms that have to be met lest a moral… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/24 03:58 AM |
| 2 | Is The Left Dangerously Out Of Touch?i have been trying to provide folks with some tools for that. specifically distinctions like 'patriarchal realism v patriarchal idealism', and sex positivism not sex negativism. the forum Gender Theory 102 is meant to partly try and address that, but most of my posts regarding gender, which is most of my posts on reddit at this point, are exactly meant to provide at least some means of differentiation. the hope is very much that folks can come to some kind of better understanding by way of weedi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/24 03:47 AM |
| 1 | Is The Left Dangerously Out Of Touch?i do agree that the dating culture is a significant problem for the overall cultural and political dispositions. the antagonism within the dating and sexual discourses are serious problems, and they do rather deliberately target men and masculine sexuality. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/24 02:14 AM |
| 1 | Is The Left Dangerously Out Of Touch?i appreciate the point of what the right has done to attract men. it isnt that they attract men as men at all, men are just attracted there for other kinds of reasons, and there is not only no draw from the left there is an active push from the left to get away from them if you are a man. neither side really does much of anything to attract men, which makes that aspect such a plausible political mode of gaining male voters. appealing to them as men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/24 02:09 AM |
| 1 | Is The Left Dangerously Out Of Touch?it wouldnt surprise me if not literally all of them did the switcharoo, or the exact switch either. also the names used were not universal. the main point tho is that in their inception, here is one take on it, tho that take continues to try and center women to the field, and minimize other genders. which i mean, given the source is to be expected. the main point OP getting at tho is that there was and has been a rather significant movement for decades now to more generalize from 'women's studie… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/11/24 02:05 AM |
| 3 | Is The Left Dangerously Out Of Touch?daunting, but necessary and plausible. a real actionable thing to do that had plausible tangible results, unlike 90% of the bullshit out there. its a winning strategy, or at the lest, part of a winning strategy. one of the things to push for over the next two election cycles at least. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/11/24 06:34 AM |
| 5 | Is The Left Dangerously Out Of Touch?the politicization and partisanship of gendered issues was major failure on the part of folks in the past three decades. we had cultural conservatives down for trans rights in the late 90s and early aughts, and that momentum is what made homosexual marriage a reality. As folks pushed into to positives, overlap in the aughts to the teens, those gains and issues started becoming partisan issues in ways they just werent before. there was, is, and remains a cultural point these movements that just s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/11/24 06:17 AM |
| 1 | Warren Farrell: Trump won because Democrats keep telling young men they’re dangerous and don’t matter | Opinioni didnt downvote your last post, but i do this one due to its sheer patheticness. | /r/MensRights | 17/11/24 05:35 AM |
| 0 | Warren Farrell: Trump won because Democrats keep telling young men they’re dangerous and don’t matter | Opinionneither did biden bring us such wars despite the bait of israel/gaza and russia/ukraine. he avoided them, whilst in actuality trump increased the use of drones to murder men he thought deserved it, and seeks to justify the murder of men by russian and isreal, because he and his admin are misandrist scum that ought be ousted. whats more, trump justified his murderous actions because the people he murdered were men, because he is a misandrist pos who seeks to murder as many men as he can based on … | /r/MensRights | 17/11/24 05:04 AM |
| 1 | Is The Left Dangerously Out Of Touch?idk, some pics and related thoughts to the point. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/11/24 02:44 AM |
| 1 | Question For Women: How often in your entire life would you say you saw a guy that you were attracted to whose number you would’ve liked to have, but he didn’t make a move/direct IOI and you also didn’t with him?this sounds like a paranoid conjecture. yes, all the men were pretending for all those years. the decades of efforts, supported plenty by men, all of it was fake. conversely, the very real pushback that women gave to the notion that they ought not be so picky, the mass of groups that try to 'weed out bad men', all the labels of men as incels as a pejorative and something dangerous, all it, i mean, it happened, its real. but it isnt indicative of women not reciprocating on the same things they th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/24 02:15 AM |
| 2 | Richard Reeves On The Male Voteoh, dont get me wrong, i dont think it is fringe, unfortunately. i go after Patriarchal Realism and the puritanism cults in particular bc they are not fringe. if i thought they were fringe, i wouldnt be on here at all. ive got similar stories of people ive known my whole life just losing their minds with what i take to be the strange extreme beliefs of Patriarchal Realism and the puritanism cults. more than anything else for me it was via 2020 organizing, ive mention it before, but recognizing h… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/11/24 07:02 PM |
| 1 | Richard Reeves On The Male Votei was talking to some folks irl yesterday, explaining the problems within online feminists, the feministas. some of them, the more online ones, where like 'yep, i get you'. understand, and i know that not everyone here appreciates it, but i explained how i was on lwma trying to show that it isnt all feminists, it isnt all gender theory, there is loads of that stuff that pushes back against the bullshit. one person who isnt online much in that way, and who is just starting to study gender theory … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/11/24 07:54 AM |
| 2 | Question For Women: How often in your entire life would you say you saw a guy that you were attracted to whose number you would’ve liked to have, but he didn’t make a move/direct IOI and you also didn’t with him?to quote myself here personally, i think people need be less picky all around, and get beyond that basic vibe bit, be more daring in their love and sex lives. otherwise all we get is exactly shallow vibe checks. 100% behind that too. what you are referring to as the complaints of men have everything to do with a good faithed effort across the board that men did for women, namely, swiping right on people, being daring in their tastes, being willing to try out, and so forth. only to have women fai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/24 12:20 AM |
| 2 | Question For Women: How often in your entire life would you say you saw a guy that you were attracted to whose number you would’ve liked to have, but he didn’t make a move/direct IOI and you also didn’t with him?this seems to ignore the realities of the roles of initiators. something i suspect people in the typical receiver role do very oft. when you are tasked with initiating, you have to make decisions on who to initiate with on fairly superficial grounds, unless we are speaking of pre-existing intimate relationships like friends, or close-knit communities, where you get to know lots of people prior to initiating with any one of them. in a sense, looks, but also things like style, dress, location, etc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/24 11:32 PM |
| 9 | More glorified violence against menWhat is the ‘Your Body, My Choice’ meme? Origin and why it’s trending the point of circumcision is exactly the origins of that slogan, and it was exactly meant to be a tongue in cheek point of 'wait until your turn' when it comes to the question of abortion. one of many instances in fact where male bodies are given over to others to make choices for them, which is considered fine or even celebrated, whilst any even remotely similar such concerns for female bodies is viewed dimly. after all, mens… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 14/11/24 09:53 PM |
| 4 | The problem with nordic model of prostitution and how swiss model does a better job of preventing human traffickingindeed, not going to spend a ton of time on it, but i did a quick search and couldnt find anything. doesnt sound unbelievable, making hay about sex trafficking is something of a norm in society, but still would be nice to see a source or something for a factual claim like this. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/11/24 09:45 PM |
| 5 | Men's issues in society being self-inflictedits the self-fulling bs from Patriarchal Realism, e.g. all the worlds problems are actually problems of patriarchy, women have been helpless oppressed creatures since the dawn of time, not responsible for any ills in the world, and so on, hence, obviously, #itsallmen and #killallmen. these people are as delusional and sick as quanon folk, and ought be handled in much the same way. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/11/24 08:32 PM |
| 5 | Disparities in what are construed 'attacks on" people by gender. "Attacks On Women Surge In Social Media"; in actuality, pro-lifer rhetoric surges, but this is considered 'an attack on women', meanwhile, #killallmen, #itsallmen, and #ichoosebear isnt considered an attack on men.ah, reduction to ad hominem attacks. super cool. im curious, do you think sundown towns were real? do you think i made it up? do you think all the authors i cited arent real? or all the examples i gave didnt happen? again, you can just look that stuff up if you want. but its pretty common lore. id add that women do this currently to with TERF/gender critical rhetoric, and they did that in the past too with a host of queer theorist criticizing the way that women use heteronormativity, and specifi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/24 08:35 PM |
| 2 | Disparities in what are construed 'attacks on" people by gender. "Attacks On Women Surge In Social Media"; in actuality, pro-lifer rhetoric surges, but this is considered 'an attack on women', meanwhile, #killallmen, #itsallmen, and #ichoosebear isnt considered an attack on men.cool, so like i said, you can just look this stuff up, see here: What is the ‘Your Body, My Choice’ meme? Origin and why it’s trending its original meaning had to do with male circumcision, paraphrasing the point here; men have no say in that. your body, my choice, with a cheeky retort of 'wait until its your turn women' in regards to abortion. in regards to abortion. then someone, maybe its a self-identifying nazi, idk, dont really care as its irrelvant to the point, but suppose he is, someone … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/24 08:19 PM |
| 6 | Disparities in what are construed 'attacks on" people by gender. "Attacks On Women Surge In Social Media"; in actuality, pro-lifer rhetoric surges, but this is considered 'an attack on women', meanwhile, #killallmen, #itsallmen, and #ichoosebear isnt considered an attack on men.i am indeed quoting from someone who is actually knowledgeable about the topic, as i have degrees in the relevant subject matters and some odd quarter century of experience. that is actually how that works btw. nothing i said was false, you can look up sundown towns. you can look up how black men were lynched based on false accusations in america, id recommend reading bell hooks on the point as she leveled that criticism against 'white feminists' some, oh, thirty or forty years ago. many, many n… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/24 07:45 PM |
| 3 | Disparities in what are construed 'attacks on" people by gender. "Attacks On Women Surge In Social Media"; in actuality, pro-lifer rhetoric surges, but this is considered 'an attack on women', meanwhile, #killallmen, #itsallmen, and #ichoosebear isnt considered an attack on men.i think that male victims of female rape having a say in the matter of the aftermath of that is a good way of broaching the topic. its the most sympathetic sorts of cases, and at least potentially enables folks who arent stone hearted a way of de-escalating their misandry on the topic. yes, ive also seen folks pushing the slogan as if it were a rape threat, thats of course sundowntown talk. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/24 07:23 PM |
| 6 | Disparities in what are construed 'attacks on" people by gender. "Attacks On Women Surge In Social Media"; in actuality, pro-lifer rhetoric surges, but this is considered 'an attack on women', meanwhile, #killallmen, #itsallmen, and #ichoosebear isnt considered an attack on men.OP is a way of referring to post or the poster of the post. it enables people to discuss the post without necessarily discussing the poster of the post. which is helpful to avoid personal attacks, and for the poster of the post to be able to discuss the post itself without tacitly also discussing themselves. Its common practice on reddit and in academics fwiw. I appreciate being open that to make an anti-abortion claim is to make an anti-woman claim. i personally think that is the only real rout… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/24 07:18 PM |
| 6 | Disparities in what are construed 'attacks on" people by gender. "Attacks On Women Surge In Social Media"; in actuality, pro-lifer rhetoric surges, but this is considered 'an attack on women', meanwhile, #killallmen, #itsallmen, and #ichoosebear isnt considered an attack on men.See Women's Fears Fueled Sundown Towns, #metoo, AWDTSG groups, so called red flag groups, #takebackthenight organization, and really a host of lesser-known online groups (ive been a part of a few of them over the years), they are mob justice groups that target men in societies that they dont like. nothing more, nothing less. they utilize a puritanical mode of thinking bout sexual violence, as in The 451 percenters as noted here. which in their minds justifies harassing, bullying, and ruining the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/24 07:03 PM |
| 2 | Why are statistical false-allegations cases so low?this is basically correct. folks that claim few false accusation play with the stats to make them few. so they take some number of accusation that have gone through some kind of court or official proceedings, which weeds out false accusations, and use that as if were applicable to all accessions. its pretty much exactly like filtering some water, and then looking at that filtered water and using it to pretend that the pre-filtered water is just as clean. | /r/MensRights | 13/11/24 03:17 AM |
| 8 | Disparities in what are construed 'attacks on" people by gender. "Attacks On Women Surge In Social Media"; in actuality, pro-lifer rhetoric surges, but this is considered 'an attack on women', meanwhile, #killallmen, #itsallmen, and #ichoosebear isnt considered an attack on men.i dont think so. i didnt tie myself up in knots, i gave a very clear explanation and even suggested that you can just look it up, it isnt that difficult. what was #killallmen about? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/24 02:40 AM |
| 16 | Disparities in what are construed 'attacks on" people by gender. "Attacks On Women Surge In Social Media"; in actuality, pro-lifer rhetoric surges, but this is considered 'an attack on women', meanwhile, #killallmen, #itsallmen, and #ichoosebear isnt considered an attack on men.didnt do whataboutism, did double standardism. some women are angered by the potential loss of access to abortion, this is tru, that doesnt however make anything said that is pro-life an anti-woman statement. some women may feel like it is a personal attack against them, likely because theyve been led to believe that abortion is an issue about women, whereas plenty of people see it as a question about murder or not, e.g. is it ok to murder a fetus, baby, etc... when exactly isnt it murder, and s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/24 02:33 AM |
| 2 | Why do divorced men seem to struggle so much even when financials are not an issue?single men are targeted by people online and irl. they tend to be social outcasts. folks might point to how they dont tend to have as strong social connections, as if it were something 'wrong with men' rather than a boring social fact regarding men, e.g. societies tend to outcast single men. they are viewed as threats to society. it can be money tho, i disagree with the OP on this point. speaking on averages there men are worse off monetarily post divorce than women, specifically because they te… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/24 02:03 AM |
| – | The 4B movement won't work because most of us already don't get laidi vaguely agree with OP, but i think your reasoning bout is a bit flawed. specifically, there have been decades longs 4b movements in the US, just hasnt been called that. 'dont have sex with men of thus and such a sort' has been going on for decades. think so called red flag groups, AWDTSG groups, broader posts and movements encouraging women in particular to leave 'problematic men', or all the various discourses that have gone on here and elsewhere regarding things like 'black pill' content, ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/24 01:53 AM |
| 8 | Disparities in what are construed 'attacks on" people by gender. "Attacks On Women Surge In Social Media"; in actuality, pro-lifer rhetoric surges, but this is considered 'an attack on women', meanwhile, #killallmen, #itsallmen, and #ichoosebear isnt considered an attack on men.i am not under the impression of anything regarding if men can prego or not. that isnt at all relevant to what ive said. I made myself clear as to where the typical criticism of abortion stem from, correct? they stem from beliefs about abortion being murder, not 'we hate women' but 'wow abortion is murder'. that isnt a gendered position. it isnt even about women at all. its about how lots of people, i am not one of them, but lots and lots of people think abortion is morally wrong because it is m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/24 01:31 AM |
| 0 | Warren Farrell: Trump won because Democrats keep telling young men they’re dangerous and don’t matter | Opinionits worth folks coming to terms with the reality that biden was good for men. not perfect, folks can point out flaws, limitations, etc... but biden was actually objectively good for men. we have a good economy because of him, he was extremely pro labor which is good for workers and good for men, and he didnt pontificate plans on deporting millions of men. trump wants to deport men, create wars against men, and to harm as many men as he possibly can via incarceration, police harassment, and gover… | /r/MensRights | 13/11/24 01:21 AM |
| 8 | Disparities in what are construed 'attacks on" people by gender. "Attacks On Women Surge In Social Media"; in actuality, pro-lifer rhetoric surges, but this is considered 'an attack on women', meanwhile, #killallmen, #itsallmen, and #ichoosebear isnt considered an attack on men.its not difficult. #killallmen is about men. its in the name. it is expressing hatred for men howsoever you cut it. your body my choice is about abortion, not women. a clear play on 'my body my choice'. my own logic here is pretty straightforward and clear, my dude or chick. my guess here is that folks who are failing to see the point are stuck thinking of pro abortion as a 'pro-woman' position, and anti-abortion as a 'anti-woman' position. distance yourself from the gendered nature of it. is th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/24 01:08 AM |
| 16 | Disparities in what are construed 'attacks on" people by gender. "Attacks On Women Surge In Social Media"; in actuality, pro-lifer rhetoric surges, but this is considered 'an attack on women', meanwhile, #killallmen, #itsallmen, and #ichoosebear isnt considered an attack on men.ok, sadly not an uncommon rhetorical point; "I'll buy a Glock and shoot you if you're a white male and you're on the same street as me at night" recall, womens fears fueled sundown towns too. no difference here. Women create 'MATGA' trend about poisoning husbands after Trump victory the hysteria, which conflating pro-life with anti-woman is causes people to act crazy, target random men, and fuels misandry. cause of course it does. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/11/24 12:10 AM |
| 9 | Disparities in what are construed 'attacks on" people by gender. "Attacks On Women Surge In Social Media"; in actuality, pro-lifer rhetoric surges, but this is considered 'an attack on women', meanwhile, #killallmen, #itsallmen, and #ichoosebear isnt considered an attack on men.you'd have to distinguish between 'forced pregnancy' from 'pro-life', cause as far as i know those rhetorical devices refer to the same thing. which would be consistent with what OP said, namely, that the 'your body my choice' is about pro-life rhetoric, not anti-woman rhetoric. people conflate these, which again, is consistent with OP's point, but its pretty reasonable to suppose and to hold that pro-life positions and rhetoric are not inherently anti-woman. id go so far as to say that someone … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/24 11:56 PM |
| -3 | Disparities in what are construed 'attacks on" people by gender. "Attacks On Women Surge In Social Media"; in actuality, pro-lifer rhetoric surges, but this is considered 'an attack on women', meanwhile, #killallmen, #itsallmen, and #ichoosebear isnt considered an attack on men.i dont see it, sorry. i think construing it as a rape threat is a misreading of it. i honestly dont see how folks could really view it otherwise. the statement is about abortion, not sex. if folks are viewing it as about sex, thats more about them than about the statement. my suspicion here too is that folks are used to hearing abortion as being a 'womans issue', hence they conflate the two and they end up making it an attack on women and not on abortion. i am sure it is being primarily targeted… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/24 11:49 PM |
| -34 | Disparities in what are construed 'attacks on" people by gender. "Attacks On Women Surge In Social Media"; in actuality, pro-lifer rhetoric surges, but this is considered 'an attack on women', meanwhile, #killallmen, #itsallmen, and #ichoosebear isnt considered an attack on men.i dont think so. its a clear pun on pro-choice rhetoric, 'my body, my choice'. it cant really be construed in any other way. even the context of the culture displays this, e.g. abortion is a major issue in the currents. while i am sure folks can find people using it otherwise, its a pun, a play on words, of classic pro-choice rhetoric. it isnt misogynistic, as it doesnt attack women, it attacks abortion. whereas #killallmen is an attack on men directly. besides which the main point of the OP is … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/24 11:19 PM |
| 4 | More Downplaying of Misandry On a SubRedditThis is the Patriarchal Realist defense see here, e.g. women have been oppressed since the dawn of time. Its false, but you can see how it is used to justify any maltreatment of men, and any action that benefits women. its such a stupid take on patriarchy, even casual familiarly with basic history disproves it. understand, anyone that says this has essentially negative understanding of basic history. there are thousands of counter examples to what they are saying in history, from cultures that w… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 12/11/24 11:00 PM |
| 3 | Richard Reeves On The Male Voteshoulds are in the actively doing, here is ferrel writing an oped in multiple newspapers around the country also, fwiw, Gender Theory 102 is trying to do the same via reddit social media, albeit without the masculine or feminine or queer bent to it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/24 09:29 PM |
| 7 | Great e-mail from our ‘archfather’good article, and i like that it was published in so many local papers. ought continue to be spread around. it is not just Democrats who have created eight federal offices of men’s health and no federal offices of women’s health. reverse that tho, gender typo. no offices for mens health, eight offices for women's health. i appreciate that he is calling out #metoo in particular, as the sexual puritanism embedded within that, and at the CDC is intense, terrible, horrifically targeting normal male … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/24 06:50 PM |
| 2 | Richard Reeves On The Male Votei suspect that his aim is the thin wedge notion. The vitriol that folks left right and center spew at men is pretty wild, they typically respond with a profound negative sense whenever mens issues are brought up. I spoke with my father not long ago and said that ive been working on mens issues, and his immediate response was 'mens issues is a red flag'. hes a lefty type. point being that is just what we're up against. say to someone 'i care about men and mens issues' and their kneejerk reaction … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/24 06:15 PM |
| 3 | Richard Reeves On The Male Votecertainly should | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/24 03:02 PM |
| 7 | How the Patriarchal Realists are attempting to maintain power on the leftWoman leaving husband and the country because she saw a sign that read 'your body my choice'. folks saying that men wouldnt vote reb bc #killallmen and #ichoosebear ought reconcile that with this fairly common behavior from women, whereby seeing a sign that essentially says 'im pro life' is a reason to flee the country, leave your spouse, choose not to have kids, start mass marches, start hate groups that seek to doxx men, etc.... i aint even judging her on her choices, but seriously consider, i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/24 04:43 AM |
| 3 | Bruh fuck off.wow, divorce laws in all societies institutionally support women. no exceptions that i am aware of at any rate. granting that there has been movement on it. child custody laws institutionally support women, not men. domestic violence laws institutionally support women, not men. conscription, literally laws in all societies throughout all of human history. i feel like whoever wrote that doesnt understand what 'institutional' means here. laws written and enforced are institutional support for. jus… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 12/11/24 04:25 AM |
| 5 | Gay barthese people dont really sound like they understand what consent is tbh. they sound a whole lot like they are mistaking 'rapey', a meaningless term, for 'rape'. aesthetics of rape, maybe someone came on hard, flirted in a way they didnt like, some shit like that. which is literally just initiating sexual contact, like, it is just nothing else. and making it out as if that were rape. this why they look the fool. 'so and so offered to buy a drink, he was a creep, i was practically raped.' sure you… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 12/11/24 04:14 AM |
| 1 | Richard Reeves On The Male Voteyep, its important to note too that the righty tighties all bout that identity politics too tho. just run a bit different in which identities they trying to appeal to. when they say they hate idpol, they really just talking bout those dem mofos idpols. there is a something valid i mean bout the lefts criticisms of the right being racist, sexist, and bigoted. each tho not really seeing how they also in that shite, or trying to justify 'bc look at them over there, they doing it' its pretty patheti… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/24 03:55 AM |
| 8 | Richard Reeves On The Male Voteidk, there are serious problems with the 'why did you vote for so and so' questions. people are more complex, and even a good analysis that an individual does wont reflect that complexity with such a simple question as 'why did you....' just consider the reems of explanations that folks give in the discourse as it is; those are the average voters. they aren't distinct from that. the #killallmen thing and the #ichoosebear thing as with many other sorts of aspects in the dialog are things that und… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/24 02:34 AM |
| 26 | Richard Reeves On The Male Voteone would think that an affect of online interactions, right? i mean, the generations that grew up online, more or less, made the move. hence too, as noted here, the relevance of folks hearing #killallmen and #ichoosebear and so on, the sheer vitriol of the online left and the insistence on Patriarchal Realism is a serious problem. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/24 01:10 AM |
| 1 | How the Patriarchal Realists are attempting to maintain power on the leftyoure welcome | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/11/24 11:26 PM |
| 12 | Men are the main victims of war.draft women, force them to fight in the wars, there will be fewer women refugees, maybe some more male refugees, and i guarantee you there will be fewer wars. nothing fuels wars more than the fact that women pay no real price for it. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 11/11/24 11:24 PM |
| 9 | How the Patriarchal Realists are attempting to maintain power on the leftah, i can see how that could be confusing. Patriarchal Realism is a technical term for certain theories of gender, and oft technical terms can be misleading if you arent in the know. tho that are useful for properly delineating between theories. I appreciate you bringing it up, thanks. See here for a technical and philosophical description of what it means. in brief tho, Patriarchal Realism is the belief that there is a mind independent 'real' patriarchal structures, most likely embodied by men,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/11/24 11:16 PM |
| 9 | How the Patriarchal Realists are attempting to maintain power on the lefttru, both of the obamas did if i am recalling correctly. was a low point. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/11/24 11:02 PM |
| 11 | How the Patriarchal Realists are attempting to maintain power on the leftSharing this as i read it here: "World Could Be So Beautiful Without You, Men' and it seems like another good example of this Patriarchal Realism problem the article it is referencing is behind a paywall, but folks can read some excerpts of it via the link, and here is what is available without paying: "Femicides, violence, right-wing extremism: almost all major problems share one thing in common. Men. I'm sad, I'm angry, I'm tired of it. It's time for you to finally work on yourself." there is … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/11/24 10:01 PM |
| 42 | I dared to say "No" to a woman. This is where the meltdown started.that really quite terrible. its particularly sad that your own mother didnt show you more compassion or understanding. ive had many experiences of women throwing tantrums bc i said no them over one thing or another. like, grown women who here 'no' and are themselves flabbergasted that a man dared tell them no, and thereafter proceeded to trash talk me, scream at me, hit me, spread lies and rumors about me, threaten me, and so on. and oft people cheer them on as they do it, and most of the time i… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 11/11/24 09:37 PM |
| 7 | "World could be so beautiful without them"pretty straightforward example of Patriarchal Realism. These people are themselves extremists who seek any way they can to destroy as many men as they can. The irony that women lead these kinds of en masse hate movements against men and have done so for at least decades and id say centuries, whereby they single out target groups of men for murder, war, incarceration, and various other forms of punishment and ruination is just beyond them. remember when women led the call for the wars in the midd… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 11/11/24 09:30 PM |
| 4 | How the Patriarchal Realists are attempting to maintain power on the leftidk, recall the rightwingers are heavily into idpol themselves. their racism and sexism is real too. unlike the left, its both in the politic and in the rightwinger online discourse. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/11/24 07:50 PM |
| 7 | How the Patriarchal Realists are attempting to maintain power on the lefttru based and redpilled. i mean valid and correct. there are pretty serious problems in the currents. one thing id mention tho is that it is a bit less the political leadership, oddly here, as ive seen plenty of actual politicians make related points, harris/walz themselves didnt lean into this shit, its the online left called out in the OP, their base of supporters, the talking heads and so forth that keep pushing the failed policies over and over again, in the way that the OP is pointing out. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/11/24 07:18 PM |
| 3 | Huge laughing stock right here 😭😭😭this is broadly tru. male sexuality is criminalized, female sexuality is lauded. this is tru for even the same exact behavior, but it is also tru for gendered types of behavior. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 10/11/24 10:44 PM |
| 1 | Are these “liberal men” in the room with us right now?its only remarkable that the person doesnt recognize that their own misandry, which they are just blatantly expressing there, is the reason dems and the left lost the male vote. the sheer blindness of folks to recognize even the most basic humanity of men is astounding. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 10/11/24 07:35 PM |
| 2 | This can’t be happening…these are the radical feminists. they are extremist right wing ideologues. they rise up whenever the right wing is on the rise. they believe in things like gender segregation, that harming men is a good thing, and that the existence of men is a travesty to humankind. they are pretty much exactly like this take here from the mra group, with just a variation on the gender: "Powerful make themselves look bad when they whine and complain. The only way to resolve this gender divide/conflict is to ack… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 10/11/24 07:16 PM |
| 1 | Is There A Word For This Level Of Delusion? Because The Word "Deluded" Doesn't Quite Cut It.projection. that is likely a better word. men didnt worship women at the polls when they made a woman's issue a central theme. they are also currently crying bout it everywhere they can, and living in the land of cope. projection takes all that delusion and tries to put it on other people. hence its next level delusion. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 10/11/24 05:07 PM |
| 4 | Bitter Truththis may be the worst take ive seen. you sound like a radical feminist. | /r/MensRights | 10/11/24 04:55 PM |
| 3 | new hate group just droppedthat's correct. they are pro doxxing people they dont agree with. they are pro harming people they dont agree with. while i dont agree with 'your body my choice', i also dont find it to be some ultra repulsive vile thing worthy of harming other people over just because they said it. im sure folks will be going mad and start making comparisons of people disagreeing with them about abortion as just like the nazis gassing the jews. "its the same fucking thing" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/11/24 03:34 PM |
| 3 | new hate group just droppedi mean, i disagree that that is a threat. but even if it were, it seems pretty obviously against reddits rules to form a data base of names of people to start doxxing and harassing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/11/24 03:30 PM |
| 2 | new hate group just droppedseems pretty obvious they are collecting names of men to form a data base that they can then use to harass them. surely that is against reddits rules, right? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/11/24 03:28 PM |
| 1 | The 451 Percenters, Puritanism At The CDC And Other Fascistic FallaciesJust tossing some relevant, if older, articles on CDC misleading use of statistics. Feel free to put any others here too. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/09/22/rape-cdc-numbers-misleading-definition-date-forced-sexual-assault-column/16007089/ https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/11/24 01:54 AM |
| 1 | Sage Advice To Younger Men About Dealing With Labelsactually, it matters a great deal. when people think they have a mandate when they dont, they do really dumb things that the country will tear you apart for. so i mean, meh. looking forwards to t/v believing they have a mandate, trying to go big, and getting slaughtered for it. as for the bit on men not showing up for the dems, i mean..... im pretty sure i know why. i think you may have pigeonholed me as someone i am not. | /r/MensRights | 09/11/24 01:23 AM |
| 0 | Sage Advice To Younger Men About Dealing With Labels"out of 60 elections, trump is going to be placing about 43 in terms of electoral college margin at about 58% of it: List of United States presidential elections by Electoral College margin - Wikipedia. popular vote is far worse. he eked out a win, and he is despised by a huge portion of the population." hes still bottom of the pack of winners in the elections. he did slightly better than he did in 2016. he eked out a win. the only reason people are saying its a 'landslide' is bc he did better t… | /r/MensRights | 09/11/24 12:47 AM |
| 1 | Sage Advice To Younger Men About Dealing With Labelsfirstly, trump eked out a win. he won by pathetic margines where he won. he did better than expected, given that he is an insurrectionist traitor leading a traitor party, and a convicted felon who ought be locked up for the rest of his life. he doesnt have a mandate, he has a country that is divided with most people actually disliking him and his agenda. will be awesome watching him and his supporters flame out like they did last time too. secondly, the attitude i am expressing is not the same a… | /r/MensRights | 08/11/24 09:08 PM |
| 7 | We don't talk enough about the radicalization of young womenold enough to recall the early days of the internet. feminist spaces didnt used to be radicalized. they have become radicalized in the same way, and for the same reasons, that mens spaces have, e.g. algorithmic tampering with peoples emotions to generate clicks, views, shares, and so forth. believe it or not in the aughts most feminist spaces i was a part of at any rate were far more focused on united gendered issues, not feminism per se as the movement at the time was exactly towards a Gender S… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/11/24 06:15 PM |
| 2 | Robin D. G. Kelley on Trump's Election Win: "We Can't Keep Relying on the Democratic Party"; hear the patriarchal realist position play out as they pretend they are not the center of the democratic party at this point. they lost the election, now they are pretending someone else was in charge.thanks:) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/11/24 05:19 PM |
| 1 | Patriarchy as a dump, and reactionarily understood.very tru, the hierarchical structuring of feminine social circles is infamous, e.g. Mean Girls. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/11/24 05:13 PM |
| 1 | Robin D. G. Kelley on Trump's Election Win: "We Can't Keep Relying on the Democratic Party"; hear the patriarchal realist position play out as they pretend they are not the center of the democratic party at this point. they lost the election, now they are pretending someone else was in charge.thanks:) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/11/24 04:54 PM |
| 8 | There’s too much casual misandry on the internetyep, ive heard similar tales across reddit. mods also regularly ban people who have participated in subreddits that discuss misandry, or people who bring up any instances of misandry in the subreddit. this is also expressly allowed because misandry is encouraged by reddit's admins. they love it bc they love hurting men as much as they can. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/24 04:51 PM |
| 50 | Sign the petition to ban the infant circumcision fetish subreddit, CircMoms2remember, misandry it is not against reddits rules. doesnt matter if it is little boys either. they openly celebrate their misandry. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/11/24 04:48 PM |
| -2 | Sage Advice To Younger Men About Dealing With Labelswords have meaning. its important to define them well, and stick to those definitions. we ought not simply ignore them. racism is a real thing. so is homophobia, misogyny, misandry, bigotry, etc... just because you dont agree with how it is used, doesnt mean that they are wrong either. it is fairly easy to delineate between ridiculous claims and reasonable ones too. ignoring them just gives people freedom to be racists, bigots, misandrists, and misogynists. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/24 02:42 PM |
| -3 | Women in mens toilet.SH? depends on your beliefs bout bathrooms... so no. cause SH ought not be belief dependent, but action dependent. id assume that hysterical folks concerned bout transwomen in bathrooms would screech SH, but no one ought take them seriously. using the bathroom is not an inherently sexual act. it is just a normal thing people do. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/24 02:36 PM |
| 0 | US women are not at any significantly higher risk of maternal mortality than the rest of the developed worldthis should give you serious pause in terms of what you think you are seeing with your own eyes. while personal experience is relevant, it can also be highly misleading. there is no state in the US that has a mortality rate near 1%, and as OP points out, folks decided to play with the stats to make them appear bigger than they really are. pregnancy is not a particularly dangerous thing, especially with proper modern healthcare. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/24 02:31 PM |
| 21 | There’s too much casual misandry on the internetthis doesnt cut it. misandry is specifically not disbarred on reddit, or most any other site. it is singled out as 'its ok to literally say kill all men' when for any other category of people this is not allowed. explicitly this is the case. in the TOS and rules that are structuring the discourse. it isnt 'individuals gonna suck' its 'wow, the platform we are using right now sux shit ass and so do most platforms online because they encourage misandry, at the worst they celebrate it, and at the l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/24 05:25 AM |
| 0 | Society Left Men Behindwow, the insane connections between the murder of a man (george floyd) to height is just wild. he was murdered because he was black and the cops are racists in how they enforce the law. simple as that. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/24 04:43 AM |
| 2 | Is now the time to eliminate the Office of Child Support Enforcement?sounds like a crazed fever dream. 'revenge and retribution' is not a governmental policy, and thinking that children dont deserve child support is just bad parenting. go for 50/50 custody hardcore, that naturally delimits the amount of child support paid, as part of the amount paid is based on where the kids are spending most of the time. moreover, it stops fathers being torn away from their kids. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/24 04:40 AM |
| 3 | Why Does Reddit Allow Subs (the one with 15 Million women and others) That Promote Open Misandry?this stems from a belief that its impossible to discriminate against a category of people that are not a minority or in danger in some way or another. that is literally, as ive heard it, the rationale for why reddit doesnt curtail misandry. men definitionally cannot be discriminated against, and therefore, any sort of behavior is allowed against men, hence #killallmen is perfectly fine rhetoric and even deeply held belief. at the most generous of interpretations of the rationale, it supposedly h… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/11/24 11:42 PM |
| 3 | Guys here refuse to believe any behavior can be creepy and/or hinder one’s social life.The largest factor in creepiness is not behaving in a way that’s socially acceptable. Basically, “You should know the social norms. What the fuck are you doing?” i think is the biggest counterpoint to the rest of OP's point. it is entirely a matter of what is or isnt 'socially acceptable', which is just an aesthetic, a mood, and culturally dependent. in other words, people from different cultures do things differently, and that is perceived as 'creepy', but there is nothing wrong with the behavi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/24 05:26 PM |
| 2 | Misandry hurts women.you are speaking to me as if i were a trump humper, and youre not really accepting the reality that the dems are losing male voters. all the things you mentioned are, i assume, tru or tru enough. see how easy it is to just say 'yep, tru nuff'. none of ti changes the reality that men are flocking away from the identitarian rhetoric, the en masse movements to bash men online, the utterly unregulated misandry that is just actively encouraged on most platforms. im not living in a bubble world either… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/24 04:50 PM |
| 2 | What are the implications of electoral results for MRM?should try. not just could, should:) it would be pointless not to try. | /r/MensRights | 07/11/24 04:27 PM |
| 1 | Predicate Coalition Building On The Left, Rather Than Categorical And Intersectionali agree that there has to be an overarching story or narrative. what im describing is revamping the undergirding theory upon which that narrative and story is based, and which it is trying to tell. could be the outsiders as youre suggesting. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/11/24 04:26 PM |
| 2 | Predicate Coalition Building On The Left, Rather Than Categorical And Intersectionali find that there are meaningful and useful reasons to study the demographics. there are real issues that affect, saying immigrant communities in ways that simply do not affect non-immigrant communities. similar for black communities, queer communities, and so on. there are even meaningful differences to be found between the sexes in terms of concerns. i think what youre pointing to tho is the assigning of positive and negative values to them that may be far more the problem. which is beyond dem… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/11/24 04:22 PM |
| 2 | Why Men and Trans People (Particularly women) Should be Working Togetherrhetoric of defending women is what i am referring to, yes. despite trumps 'protect women wanted or not' comment, generally what happens is women seek out protection, or call out a problem, and the dudes come a running. that is what i see in particular on the trans issues right now. go back twenty years, we had fucking pat robertson on the side of trans people being accepted. then along came the terfs and the gender criticals screaming bloody murder over dragqueen story hour or whatever, and the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/11/24 03:48 PM |
| 3 | Predicate Coalition Building On The Left, Rather Than Categorical And Intersectionalthat sounds about right. none of the framing or the analysis of it is particularly easy, despite the somewhat obvious nature of the point. but youre no longer fighting over identities, you're discussing within the proper category of concern, in the example you gave, family issues. in the example you gave, something that people who are not queer, or who may not find queer issues their thing, can still get on board with it. it also doesnt tacitly or explicitly blame classes of people by identity, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/11/24 03:40 PM |
| 0 | Misandry hurts women.im not speaking of the politicians. i could likely find some if i wanted, but again, not what i am speaking of. i am speaking of their base. people online, their supporters, the general discourse. how online forums, like reddit for instance, dont regulate misandry they literally do not consider it something they need to deal with. open misandry is allowed. #killallmen, #ichoosebear (bears dont vote, men do), #itsallmen. people notice that, that matters. harris/walz didnt lean into it like clinto… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/24 03:28 PM |
| 14 | Misandry hurts women.this seems like a politically illiterate take. "dont #killallmen #ichoosebear #AWDTSG #itsallmen' and then wonder why in the world the people who you are deliberately insulting, advocating be murdered, harass and bully online, and say youd rather face furry bear death than have their visage grace your eyes suddenly and 'randomly' decide maybe the candidate youre supporting isnt a good fit for them. its like wondering why black folks dont vote for the kkk, or the reb party in general (comparison … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/24 04:23 AM |
| 1 | Feminists, what do you think about the reaction to Margot Robbie having a son?tru nuff. those things are openly taught in universities. it isnt all of feminism tho, it is peculiar radical feminist beleifs. radical feminism is a hate ideology, ought be banned from being taught, and ought be treated as other hate speech based on that forums policies regarding hate speech. currently reddit for instance doesnt treat it as hate speech. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/24 02:13 AM |
| 3 | Why Men and Trans People (Particularly women) Should be Working Togetherthat tends to be my take on this too. proximity to masculinity is a major component of what sparks transphobia. there are other elements involved, the transness itself can make people 'uncomfortable' to put it mildly. but its the proximity to masculinity that places transfolks as a 'danger' to people. it is one of the big reasons ive found trans issues to be potentially bridging issues between queer folk, the men folk, and the women folk. all the folksy folks:) you mentioned it somewhere in here… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 11:33 PM |
| 3 | push mens issues into the dem partyyep, i believe it. the male targets move around, but its always men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 10:53 PM |
| 2 | push mens issues into the dem partyIn the uk the lefties want to treat misogyny like terrorism they are literally like 'lets just round men up like terrorists if we think they say something misogynistic' and then wondering "why dont men support us?" similar measures we attempted in the US too. just imagine all the times youve been called a misogynist for saying things like 'men ought have 50/50 custody rights of their kids by default' or 'maybe we ought not criminalize basic masculine sexuality' or 'hey, maybe #killlallmen is sex… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 09:28 PM |
| 7 | push mens issues into the dem partyi think they have no choice. they lost big. you cannot win a democratic election while shitting on half the population. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 09:18 PM |
| 3 | push mens issues into the dem partytru. ive mentioned before, that trump expresses a lot of the same characteristics as the online feministas crowd, with just slight twists in exactly who he targets. but its always men that are targeted. maybe its white prep boys, maybe its gansta black boys, maybe its immigrant mexicans, maybe its all men this time around. its always men tho. the feministas only disagree with trump in regards to exactly which men ought be murdered this time round. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 08:01 PM |
| 4 | push mens issues into the dem partythat a lot. id say you are still viewing everything from the lens of Patriarchal Realism, see here for instance, which is a demonstrably false view. it has been disproven countless times. the reason you see bias is that you are clinging to a demonstrably false view of the world, so everything you see is taken in relation to that false view. that 'bias' is just displaying the obvious contradictions in the Patriarchal Realism claims. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 07:57 PM |
| 10 | push mens issues into the dem partycould be. im putting it pretty harshly here. neednt be harsh with them, just honest about the reasons why. neednt make it personal to them either, e.g. so many people in the dems and the left are overtly misandrist that men dont want to associate with them. you cant choose bear and #killallmen and also be bewildered as to why dudes arent interested in joining your little groups and parties. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 07:26 PM |
| 1 | push mens issues into the dem partytrue. id only add that if its a dem, tell them thats why they are losing the male vote. rebs arent winning the male vote because they are appealing to mens issues, they are winning it because so many of the dems supporters re overt misandrists. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 07:20 PM |
| 0 | push mens issues into the dem partytoo defeatist. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 07:20 PM |
| 11 | Trump winning the election is very bad for men and men need to be concerned about trump winning.Make no mistake that women are primarily affected by this election but this is a men's space so let's talk about the effect. this is insane. trump/vance will 'protect women, like it or not'. followed with this: no one is ever going to take men's issues seriously because people especially women won't believe men have problems based on gender. sounds like that is a bigger issue for men now doesnt it? i mean, womens issues are going to be center stage. you may not agree with whatever take trimp/van… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 06:39 PM |
| 2 | push mens issues into the dem partyreverse that for all the reasons just stated. dems have every incentive to compete on mens issues. they have to. the rebs have zero incentive. they won. they are going to institute whatever they ran on as best they can, not pick up some new issue. that is how politics works. they are going to be 'mexican rapists blah blah blah' and 'black rapists blah blah blah' and 'arab rapist blah blah blah' and all the rest of the misandrist hot takes. cause that is what they ran on, it is what they believe,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 06:21 PM |
| 1 | push mens issues into the dem partytru. note also that they just cant fathom that men of color might have a mind and concerns of their own. for the dem leadership and the online feministas, its all and only bout womens concerns. the whole analysis they give and their entire belief system is 'womens issues'. people vote 'because of women', not 'because of mens issues' or any other concern. hence i mean, 'men didnt vote for harris/walz due to misogyny'. nope. it aint bout you. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 06:15 PM |
| 5 | Let's say you are put in charge of writing the Democrats' agenda for winning the male votesaid my piece on this here, you know, why dudes split from the left, i appreciate OP's point tho. expressing what we want gives folks a clue as to how to go about things. bitchin bout it aint gonna deal with it. broadly, addressing the issues with the 451 percenters as noted here, the shameful puritanical and sex negative hot takes on sexual violence that fuel fascistic and authoritarian rhetoric. policy wise this is as simply as changing the CDCs bs lies bout the topic, sticking to the criminal… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 06:11 PM |
| 3 | push mens issues into the dem partyif you are right leaning, sure. i am not. they wouldnt listen to me if i tried, cause i have tried. a lot. the entire opportunity in politics occurs when a party loses not when they win. that is basics of politics. right now i guarantee you those in power in the dem party are scrambling to maintain their power, bc it absolutely is in danger. they lost, big time, on womens issues, clearly on womens issues. off with heads. they lost bc they lost the male vote. that is opportunity. trump is a fasci… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 05:45 PM |
| 2 | push mens issues into the dem partyi saw that article, it is good. its only unbelievable that leaders in the party and in the online feminista groups cant get it through their heads. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 05:41 PM |
| 9 | push mens issues into the dem partytake every opportunity you can when they say 'its misogyny' to retort 'nope, its that you are outright misandrist. it is you vocal support for the hatred of men, your inability to even make a pretense of care towards men. it is your fault, cause y'all were in charge of the campaign, and rather than appeal to mens issues, you expressed hatred for them' tho imho, i didnt see harris/walz lean into that. i did see her ardent supports, the feministas galore, simply reveling in their absolute unabashe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 05:39 PM |
| 5 | push mens issues into the dem partythats my take too. its akin to the strategies to defeat racism back in the 40s, 50s, and 60s. at some point you have to actually push against the misandry, but you cant push too hard to quickly, or else you will turn off the misandrists in the party. do nothing and continue to lose and let misandry run wild, do something measured, and you can manage to deflate the misandry in the party over time. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 05:34 PM |
| 1 | push mens issues into the dem partynah, we gots two years at least, and two more after that, and four more after that. as many years as it takes, cause the dems gonna keep losing over this until the figure it out. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 05:12 PM |
| 4 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersit is men, it is clearly men. own it. the problem however isnt men, the problem is the outright, open, even celebrated misandry. why dont men vote blue? it isnt misogyny, its the misandry. as i noted here, as a man voting for dems is always a trade off, you have to put up with the open and celebrated misandry within the party. much as being a black person or a queer person who votes reb has to. deal with that, and stop wondering why men arent flocking to the dems side. if you dont, it wont be fo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 04:33 PM |
| 4 | push mens issues into the dem partylocal parties. look up your local parties. you have to actually look that shite up. I cannot possibly provide that for you. the dems going down. volunteer at your local dems location. as in, search "[my location] dem party" and follow the links and such. then search for 'volunteer' and if you gots the will for it, look for how you can volunteer for specific position that have voting right within the local party. i cannot be more specific than that, save to note that those that take on more respo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 07:59 AM |
| 1 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersthis conflates academia with politics. which is simply false, but also fascistic. no, academia has not presented some specific bs line. any university level class would teach this already too. the classes teach a wide variety of perspective. the fascistic viewpoint is clearly those who say otherwise, e.g. that there is 'some specific viewpoint being taught'. all that really can mean is that folks dont like what the teachers are teaching. but then, such be not lovers of wisdom, so they be not fro… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 07:50 AM |
| 7 | push mens issues into the dem partypush it. they didnt want you, and they lost, so carry the point home to them in particular. force them to make changes, the trump/vance group is entirely fascist, they will not support you at all. change what you can right now. I thought it would be the rebs, i was wrong. they gone full fascist. change the dems. carry the point home dears. with love, compassion, care, with fervor too. do not be lackadaisical to the point. they aint gotta clue right now. FOR REAL Y'ALL. they entirely lost. that d… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 07:35 AM |
| 25 | push mens issues into the dem partypush the point, they lost. there is something fundamentally flawed with their mode of thinking. ive gone wildly out of my way to include them to the philosophies, i aint gonna skip that either. they belong there. they gotta accept criticism to the point. it will destroy them if they do not. as judith bulter said, correctly, 'we have to stop treating all men as sexual violators' it is sicko bullshito. the democratic rhetoric has to adjust, or it will fall to fascism. face it. there is a sickness … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 07:25 AM |
| 14 | push mens issues into the dem partydont sit on the sidelines, make the learn their lesson. push into the dem party. carry the point wherever you can. to the point of 'men stabbed them in the back' literally nazi and white supremacist talking points. they failed to address mens issues. we live in a democracy, not a totalitarian shit show, tho i mean, consider the point that trump is their idol with but the slightest of gender inversions. someone who seeks to dominate others by their whims. A fascist. now we gonna have to deal with… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 07:16 AM |
| 0 | push mens issues into the dem partyI voted for her too, for many reasons, but among them, against the fascism that is on the right. it a real fight y'all. dont be thee in error on the point. the horrible mistake in recognizing that would be to feed into it by doubling down on the point in the strongman/weakwoman dynamic as noted here, they play the one off the other. gotta deal with mens issues, it destroys the dynamic by focusing on mens issues (as if they were weak, see?) and putting women as the strongwoman (do something bitch… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 07:11 AM |
| 10 | push mens issues into the dem partyhot af and tru too. manifested in the vote right? pun intended. push mens issues into the dem party. the reb party is lost to fascism at this point. the proper counter is to make mens issues a real thing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 07:04 AM |
| 12 | push mens issues into the dem partypretty much the point. push it everywhere you can, and the earlier the better. specifically that mens issues were ignored, and thus these results, see here, why dudes split from the left, very relevant to the currents correct? and here gender studies 102, a.k.a. what are the specific problems in gender analysis?, and here too, it isnt feminism, its gender studies. imma trying to provide folks with a different means and mode of considering the issues that is more viable. these are viable options … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 06:59 AM |
| 14 | push mens issues into the dem partyabortion wasnt ever about bodily autonomy, it was about reproductive rights, which is an inherently mutual affair between dudes and chicks, see here for instance. help dudes with reproductive rights, and you help everyone with reproductive rights. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 06:50 AM |
| 45 | push mens issues into the dem partyindeed, insofar as they lost the male vote, a reasonable person would hold that they ought therefore try to adjust their strategy and tactics to appeal better to male voters. that how democracy is supposed to work. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 06:46 AM |
| -4 | push mens issues into the dem partyi rarely downvote something. this tho? me: "push mens issues" insect: "nah, dont." in a mens advocacy group? come on y'all. just push it into the dems. dont listen to the nay sayers, seize the opportunity. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 06:34 AM |
| 3 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male voterstrump is not pro men. not at all. he is anti-men. he says mexican [men[ rapist are swarming the border. that black [men] are coming to rape white women. that trans [men* transphobic point] are coming to rape your children and all women. and so on, and so on. he despises men, he is just discriminating in which men he despises. time for coalitions y'all, i aint come to the table unprepared either, see here for instance. you all will unite, or you will fall. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 06:30 AM |
| 1 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male voterspat on the back isnt the point. coming to terms with the reality is. failure to garner the vote of men isnt about misogyny, it is about misandry, the complete failure to address mens issues. it pushes people to the right overall, men and womne. i will gladly give harris a pat on the back for not pushing the woman card hard, she didnt replicate the mistakes of clinton. but she also didnt actually really push on the mens issues bit at all. had she done so? just from a mens issues perspective, with… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 06:08 AM |
| 1 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersid suggest that ive provided that means in LWMA posts, and in a few other places ive posted. will take effort to do so, but pushing those narratives are actually effective in the short, mid and long term. sustaining the argument is key to that tho. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 05:57 AM |
| 2 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersmake it happen y'all. push it hard. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 05:48 AM |
| 1 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votershot | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 05:47 AM |
| 26 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male voterstru, they deserve it. own it everywhere you can. they lost mens vote, so they lost in total. big surprise. work together or fall. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 05:41 AM |
| 1 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersnah, there are other options actually. youre referring to esoteric concerns of population growth and a need for money and economics to grow. this is far aside the point here. but youre referring to a growth or die mentality, which is capitalistic in form. in which case i choose death. understand, 'death' here is just the end of capitalism. death is far preferable to the growth of capitalism. totally fine with that. support it 100%. if that is the concern folks have too, my oh my, good luck folks… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 05:39 AM |
| 2 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male voterssounds unlikely, to put it mildly. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 05:26 AM |
| 3 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersabortion was a main issue, tru. but harris/walz made Labor a central feature, the economy, i found that they didnt lean into the girl power thing. im sure some of their supporters did, but i didnt see her do it. and good on her and her team for that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 05:25 AM |
| 6 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersthey will blame the left, they always do. just like the blame men. own it in either case. if only they had gone further left, if only they had addressed mens issues. give them no quarter folks. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 05:23 AM |
| 4 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersi dont hold these as being opposition to each other. i understand that folks have made them to be in opposition to each other. but they neednt be. including men within the notions, rather than ostracizing them and defining equality in relation to them is the way to go. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 05:13 AM |
| 3 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersim a far more demanding lover. i expect them to meet the challenge. if not? not worth it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 05:11 AM |
| 3 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersi expect women to accept responsibility. i wouldnt force them to. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 04:49 AM |
| 5 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersspun out. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 04:35 AM |
| 1 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersthanks! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 04:34 AM |
| 3 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersi dont mind strong language. my view has been that feminists made a grave error in politicizing gender and making it a partisan issue. ive noted that many times in my posts. folks disagreed with them, strongly, over doing so. they did so in the 90s-the early aughts. prior to that both parties were broadly on board with gender issues, aiming towards some kind of egalitarian principals, and mens, womens, and queer issues were viewed far more universally as something like 'gender troubles' to be a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 04:33 AM |
| 1 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male voterssweet | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 04:03 AM |
| 2 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersits going to be about the during and post election rhetoric. that is what OP is saying. make it about mens issues. men have already clearly been breaking away from the dems, push the point in the dialogs. own it as a matter of discussion. making the point that win or lose it is about mens issues not being addressed entails that people will be forced to address them. there is a clear course of action folks can take on this, no matter who wins and who loses, push the narrative that it is about men… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 03:52 AM |
| 1 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersindeed, addressing male issues in some way is a bear [sic] minimum, pun intended. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 03:43 AM |
| 2 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersim acknowledging the division, not making it. and im noting that labor issues are broadly mens issues. cause men tend to be more in the labor force. dems are far more pro labor then rebs. hence, 'insofar as labor issues are mens issues.... dems have a clear advantage [for mens issues], one that will be lost if the rebs win [as they will not be pro labor]" tho uh, i hope that the teamsters can mitigate the eventuality. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 03:35 AM |
| 7 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersplease do, that is how democracies work:) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 02:34 AM |
| 18 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersyep, you can already feel the cope from these folks. they will go after men for their failures as they always do. remember, they hate men first and foremost. its either #killallmen or its #killsomemen but its always #killmen. they blame men for their problems because they are too cowardly to accept responsibility for their own actions. they are misandrists first and foremost, everything else is just ad hoc and post hoc justifications for their hatred of men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 02:32 AM |
| 0 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersin so far as labor issues are mens issues, which is pretty far tbh, the dems have a clear advantage. one that will be lost if the rebs win. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 02:27 AM |
| 3 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersid oubt we disagree much on substance. and that ought give you some degree of pause. fwiw, folks everywhere find my detachment to be infuriating. im a philosopher. its what i do. and there is worth and value in that towards ameliorating the emotive disposition that folks have, including myself. I wonder if this would matter at all to you, i wrote this in the MRA's group, it has yet to be approved: "Id suggest that folks more conservative and reb leaning take the opportunity to imprint male issue… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 02:26 AM |
| 11 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male voterslistening to vaush stream: men breaking trump more than white people. indicative of the problem and the point howsoever you want to lump that. address mens issues, or face the consequences. maybe it wont be this election, maybe it will be next one, or 2032, but until y'all actually address mens issues, you gonna keep facing this problem. Edit One: question to vaush: if harris/walz lose is that indicative of the dems failure to reach out to men? vaushe: if harris/walz doesnt win, my go to explana… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 01:13 AM |
| 8 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersmens issues deserve to be taken seriously and actually addressed. that is the most basic lesson. you can expand on that is a variety of ways if you like. but there is nothing coy to the point right? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 12:48 AM |
| 17 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male voterswe've been there for decades now. the feminsitas alienated men by gaslighting them and ignoring their issues. folks that have done so deserve every single drop of pain they are receiving until they learn to stop treating men like garbage. Huge portions of people on the left threw a trump shaped orange brick at y'all in 2016, learn your lesson, or face it again in 2028. I literally do not care. i will gladly toss that brick again with some spit on it to boot if folks refuse to learn. you chose be… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 12:47 AM |
| 8 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersdont be so hopeless, there are plenty of folks from that university system that agree with me. there is a marked difference between what is going in the pop discourse, the feminsitas as noted here, and what is taught in gender studies programs. while the stuff i say isnt indicative of the entirety of it, i am not presenting a position that isnt strongly supported via the gender studies programs. to my mind, the problems are ones with the internet, horrible discourses, the tendencies of the worst… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 12:44 AM |
| 18 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersnope, they do not. which is why forcing them to hear bout it would be particularly effective. its a democracy folks, that is literally how they work. you contact your reps of either party, and insist they start taking these issues seriously. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 12:35 AM |
| 1 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male voterscould be, idk tbh. just something i heard. i agree she wouldve generally done well by going on there. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 12:34 AM |
| 1 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersanswered in the other comment. most black men vote dem for other reasons. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 12:33 AM |
| 9 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersi dont entirely think the left is the problem tbh. i find it to be a dynamic, a strongman/weakwoman dynamic as explained here. which is also in answer to your question of how to handle the damage done to men in the past several decades. there is frightfully little diff between #killallmen and #mexicanrapistsareswarmingacrosshteborder and #blackmenarescary and so on. what are folks on the right going to be doing to institute mens issues in their party? cause the tradcon bit isnt it? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/11/24 12:32 AM |
| 4 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersi would also never contingent mens rights on women's 'reproductive rights', howsoever anyone chooses to define that. if folks have yet to learn the lessons of the trump brick, i mean.... as an insider looking in, what i see is a democratic party that got schooled in 2016, and has since been struggling hardcore to regain its footing with men in particular, and still flailing. right now they have the horror of trump working in their favor, but thats it. r v w likely plays a role in why they will w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/11/24 11:49 PM |
| 4 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersthought the rogan wouldnt agree to her terms? idk what her terms were tho. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/11/24 11:42 PM |
| 14 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersgotta push the point as much as you can regardless. cant be defeatist about it. fwiw, reps are not going to talk to you like that, no matter what they think. its too dangerous for them to do so (electorally i mean). en masse contacting your reps is always a good strategy. id suggest coordinating as best as folks can with other male issues groups. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/11/24 11:41 PM |
| 98 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male votersindeed, and thus they lose out on men. 'i choose bear', congrats ladies and gents. bears dont vote, good choice! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/11/24 11:40 PM |
| 19 | If harris/walz lose, and insofar as they are losing male voterssounds legit, id include harris' inbox, hold her to her pledge that she will hear everyone out, and represent everyone. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/11/24 11:39 PM |
| 0 | Are there any LWMA's on youtube? I can't find anydoesnt just talk bout men's issues, but does cover it a fair amount: Amateur Philosophy | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/11/24 09:05 PM |
| 1 | So Men Are the Real Victims?this does seem to be a significant problem in the discourse. there is an -archy problem, that is, a belief that there are archical structures of gendered power that span throughout history. these dont really seem to be true in general, and insofar as they are, the distribution of power is far from one sided, or even particularly easy to parse out. hence why i advocate for the HCQ, it doesnt inherently engage in this sort of power distribution dialoging. The author coates makes a similar point to… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/11/24 08:14 PM |
| 4 | I father of 2, got called incel at work here is whyi like this notion of describing the ways that they are simply insulting men, not making any kind of 'argument'. there is just nothing there but hatred. cause that is how misanthropy of whatever gendered flair works, right? the feeling of hatred, disgust, rage, etc... these come first for the misandrist. they hate you primarily, and then they come up with some ad hoc and post hoc reason to justify it. 'oh, this person is an incel, that's why i hate them'. there isnt anything to the claim except … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/11/24 07:58 PM |
| 8 | Thoughts on: Double standard between sexualizing underaged girls vs underaged boys?firstly, all these discussions have to have as a limit the institution of modern age of consent laws, which i support. pedo refers to prepubescent people, thats it. not 'underage'. conflating these categories has a lot of problems associated with it, maybe chief among them is that it infantilizes post pubescent people, so for instance feeding into 'no sex until marriage' discourses, teenagers ought not be sexual with each other, sex is evil, body dysmorphia among teenagers, etc... it is simple t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/11/24 06:31 PM |
| 7 | I father of 2, got called incel at work here is whyyep, that is more or less what i mean. its also hurled as 'i dont agree with you, but i have nothing real to say, so im going to call you an incel'. theyre pretty gross people. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/11/24 06:04 PM |
| 114 | I father of 2, got called incel at work here is why'incel' is just a slur folks hurl around. it has no meaning. its a way of saying 'i hate you, i dont believe you, i wont listen to you, etc....' as soon as they call you an incel, you won. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/11/24 07:01 PM |
| 26 | I father of 2, got called incel at work here is whyas i understand it, the reasoning behind it is as follows: 1) the central question is who has it worse, men or women. 2) we can count each crime on gendered lines as being offset by who is committing the crimes. if a woman commits a crime, thats a mark against women as a whole. if a woman has a crime committed against her, that is a mark in favor of women as a whole. 3) there are no examples of women doing crimes (this is obviously and seriously false, but it is tacitly assumed, e.g. men do thos… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/11/24 07:00 PM |
| 1 | How did you realize you don't live in a real patriarchy?somewhere in university, reading the various gender studies works (feminist theory stuff). prior to that i wouldve considered myself a feminist easy, and in a lot of ways i still do, tho i think it but a subset of gender theory. folks i ran with tended to be more amenable to the notion that gender was more the issue, rather than womens issues per se. still, growing up i heard much bout the issues women face, and the pop discourse was, and still is, around those issues. which made it seem that th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/11/24 06:26 PM |
| 3 | How did you realize you don't live in a real patriarchy?You live in a patriarchal society if the population believes its the responsibility of men and not humans as a whole to take care of society. this is a silly point. who benefits from that? its the responsibility of workers to take care of society, therefore, we live in a communistic paradise? wtf? who benefits from that? the wealthy. if 'men are responsible' and 'women do not have to be, but can choose to be if they want', who is benefiting? women. make of that what you will, but if you are pret… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/11/24 06:12 PM |
| 2 | How did you realize you don't live in a real patriarchy?note: the privilege of not working outside the home is only a 1950s middle class amaricana phenomena. prior to the modern age, prior to a hundred years ago, the overwhelming majority of people, men, women, and children worked on a farm. no one 'left the home to earn a paycheck'. the lie that women werent allowed to work has been drilled into our heads, whatever persuasion, for a long ass time. its complicated by the fact that there were and remain gendered divisions in terms of what jobs people … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/11/24 05:56 PM |
| 0 | What is your political positionthats called nihilism | /r/MensRights | 04/11/24 01:53 AM |
| 3 | Another proof of Feminism being Right Wing: The feminist movement has long historical ties to racism. The feminist campaign for women’s suffrage had black women standing in the back of the line and made openly racist statements towards black men.i agree that left wing has their own versions of racism and sexism. one reason there is an association of conservative and hence right wing with racism and sexism is due to its conservative nature. there is a real sense in which folks that gravitate towards conservativism also tend towards romanticizing the past, including all the racism and sexism of the past. progressivism and hence left wing may push towards new forms of racism and sexism! but if there is a sense of movement away from racism … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/11/24 01:16 AM |
| 5 | Another proof of Feminism being Right Wing: The feminist movement has long historical ties to racism. The feminist campaign for women’s suffrage had black women standing in the back of the line and made openly racist statements towards black men.i am not found of origins arguments either, they are committing what's known as the Genealogical Error, whereby whatever the current is would be condemned by dint of from whence is sprang. but, there is a really important point to knowing history, as it is also true that oft those ideas persist within a temporally coherent movement (one that persists across time), and it avoids the grave error that can occur by way of blind belief that one's ideological dispositions are somehow 'inherently corre… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/11/24 01:06 AM |
| 11 | Another proof of Feminism being Right Wing: The feminist movement has long historical ties to racism. The feminist campaign for women’s suffrage had black women standing in the back of the line and made openly racist statements towards black men.While i am not inclined to say that 'feminism is right wing', i am inclined to say that feminism is no guarantee of leftism, nor is it inherently 'correct' or 'good'. as with any other philosophical disciplines, it technically isnt right or left wing, nor is it guaranteed to be correct. eviscerating the fascistic and authoritarian elements within feminism is as noble and worthy aim as it is to do so within philosophy and the sciences. So too within the MRA groups. As noted here, there is a dynam… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/11/24 06:07 PM |
| 1 | Why Dudes Split From ‘The Left’ A.K.A. How To Defeat The Strongman/Weakwoman Dynamic; gender rights in the 21st centurythat may be true, good point. especially as it relates to the actual irl practices of people, as opposed to the suggested legal and political points. id say the legal and political points tho can go a ways towards undercutting that. could be an obstacle towards their implementation, but uh, sometimes we need a politician to just push the point regardless:) in the pragmatics of irl interactions, the only real remedy i see to that is to be ruthlessly masculine, sex positive about male sexuality, a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/11/24 05:46 PM |
| 9 | Apprently an old friend no longer wishes to have anything to do with me because I’m a man. Honestly infuriating.dang, they going all out on it. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/24 12:01 AM |
| 23 | Watching Michelle Obama's speech to men made me realise that no other minorities besides women truly matter to Democrats. (and possibly everyone else)the notion that people pander to women as a means to avoid dealing with real problems is a long standing and likely valid one. its also known as 'white womens tears', but if youre not a racist all womens tears have the same kind of effect. its also been long noted in the activist and political movements whereby women try to coop other peoples movements, undermining them towards their own ends and aims. have a movement for black people? nope. just a movement for women, somehow or another. cause w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/11/24 11:01 PM |
| 2 | Feminist answers to male suicide and other issues.so, had to look up the argument. setting aside as to if those are reliable numbers, assume they are, how one interprets them is what makes the difference in terms of if the racist argument holds or not. its like the hard data argument that, in 1897 75% of crime in new york was committed by italian immigrants. (making those numbers up btw). pretend that is true. how we interpret that matters a great deal tho, right? hard data is useless on its own. people can misuse hard data to make fallacious a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/11/24 10:28 PM |
| 2 | Feminist answers to male suicide and other issues.i used the race example to highlight the problems inherent in soft data, e.g. how we can clearly cause real world problems by way of inserting our assumptions and interpretations about an issue from the get go. which then show up in the data as if they were real, when all they were is reflections of the assumptions and interpretations of the people making the data in the first place. whereas hard data, while boring af, doesnt tend to suffer from those sorts of problems. or at any rate, doesnt le… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/11/24 06:46 PM |
| 3 | Feminist answers to male suicide and other issues.stemlords huh:) doesnt describe me. hard data is data that isnt preloaded with descriptions and interpretations. let me give a couple of examples on the differences between hard and soft data to draw out what is meant by hard data. in regards to race, hard data might use literal skin color, and say things like this number of people have that skin hue to them. super tame stuff. no interpretations to the question, no values tossed atop it, just 'skin color x and y number of people'. soft data will… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/11/24 04:00 PM |
| 2 | "And who set that system up?"imho youre dealing with folks beliefs in Patriarchal Realism. you may do better attacking that undergirding specific belief rather than trying to argue it point by point. Patriarchal Realism as a belief enables them to ignore reality, history, even basic and obvious facts in favor of upholding that specific delusional way of understanding patriarchy. it is one of the ideological commitments that Radical Feminism in particular holds to, tho it is present in other feminist theories, such as for in… | /r/MensRights | 01/11/24 01:42 AM |
| 1 | Question about ‘feminism’Fwiw, you might do well distinguishing between specific ideological commitments within feminist theory that are fascistic and problematic. Ive found it fruitful to note a few, such as Patriarchal Realism, biological essentialism, denial of the heteronormative complex, denial of the matriarchy, and denial of the queers. these are some of the specific ideological commitments of Radical Feminism in particular, tho they oft get brought up in other feminist theory and thought, such as for instance Li… | /r/MensRights | 01/11/24 01:33 AM |
| 4 | Question about ‘feminism’i tend to hold that the draft is a good towards mitigating instances of war. the backlash to it, which you can witness just by reading all the backlash to it, entails that countries have a harder time going to war and maintaining a war. whereas an 'all volunteer' military disconnects the society from the outcomes of war, and tends to concentrate soldiers coming from the poor, as of course the rich just dont sign up, too dangerous, whereas the poor sign up more, pays well. | /r/MensRights | 01/11/24 12:16 AM |
| 3 | Feminist answers to male suicide and other issues.i dont mind pointing out poor interpretations of something. i think patriarchal realism is just a poor interpretation of what patriarchy is, i think it demonstrably false. i agree that there can be women centered groups, focused on those specific issues, even folks that want to view it via patriarchy, tho i am not a huge fan of the 'x-archy' modeling, i dont think it is so obviously false either, and there are clear instances of it in this or that culture. the HCQ is more a means of how to under… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/24 11:45 PM |
| 20 | Feminist answers to male suicide and other issues.i find it helpful to remind people from time to time that surveys, polls, and data of that sort is generally considered the lowest form of proof in academics. hard data is different. that sort of data is highly prone to manipulation, p-hacking, and even just honest mistakes. also, even the best hard data out there is requires good interpretive skills to be of any use. that is, interpretations beyond mere statistical analysis. 'high percentage of men do x" even with hard data on the matter doesnt… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/24 11:04 PM |
| 1 | Why Dudes Split From ‘The Left’ A.K.A. How To Defeat The Strongman/Weakwoman Dynamic; gender rights in the 21st centuryrelated article on more or less the same point: Opinion | How to Win Male Voters Without Harming Women - POLITICO | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/24 07:32 PM |
| 2 | My (Mark W. Sutton) interview on Politics Politics Politics with Justin Robert Young on the #gendergap in presidential voting and how #Democrats could better appeal to men. Trying to get the word out!thanks, that was a good article. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/24 07:31 PM |
| 26 | Feminist answers to male suicide and other issues.feminism, as opposed to gender studies, focuses primarily on women and womens issues. hence they tend to analyze everything from the perspective of 'how does this affect women', not 'how does this relate to gender'. they may or may not be interested in broad equality, regardless their primary assumption of patriarchal realism makes any such aim flawed, e.g. what is bad for men is good for women on balance, and anything good for women is inherent towards equality, due to a since the dawn of time … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/24 07:12 PM |
| 10 | Farage responds to Labour's Budget (or "Why Right Wing Grifters do not have the answers to men's problems")id suggest that those issues primarily affect men tho. being able to work from home, having a shorter work week, and a healthier work-life balance are all things that primarily, tho not exclusively, affect men, as men tend to be work outside the home more than women. any labor issues at all tend to skew towards mens issues. personally id prefer it if that was more of an even split and hence not a mens issue, but here we are. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/24 06:59 PM |
| 1 | Why Dudes Split From ‘The Left’ A.K.A. How To Defeat The Strongman/Weakwoman Dynamic; gender rights in the 21st centurythanks | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/24 04:18 PM |
| 1 | Cross Cultural And Temporally Independent 'Patriarchy Index'i dont think this is a good measure for at least two reasons: 1) taxes are done wildly differently in different cultures, so as a cross cultural measure, just wouldnt work, and that is the primary point of the OP and the focus article. 2) as i view stay at home parents ought be paid, it is very valuable labor, someone ought be the stay at home parent, cause raising babies and kids is super important stuff for everyones quality of life. one of the horrors of modern societies is that folks frequen… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/24 04:17 PM |
| 1 | Why Dudes Split From ‘The Left’ A.K.A. How To Defeat The Strongman/Weakwoman Dynamic; gender rights in the 21st century" to be clear, i am not saying we have to change anything, im just wondering why men arnt voting for us" -shoe paraphrasing travis helwig. "i am going to regret posting this so hard" travis helwig nah bud, you gonna learn that shite needa actually shift. shoe "what's crazy, as far as i know, kamala herself has not played the woman card, to play the sexism card" reporter: "youve been relunctant to lean into, to talk about the historic nature of your candiacy'. harris: "[laughing beautifully] well… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/24 05:51 AM |
| 5 | Why Dudes Split From ‘The Left’ A.K.A. How To Defeat The Strongman/Weakwoman Dynamic; gender rights in the 21st centurythere is a clear right wing fascistic turn that women are taking in order to protect their gender privileges. folks proclaiming that there are serious endemic and widespread sexual violence are one of the main types. there is a pretense that there is some sort of lefty position to be had there, but ultimately its just a puritanical sex negative ideology that is trying to overtake pretty foundational feminist and gender theory principles. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/24 04:05 AM |
| 1 | Guys here care way too much about blue haired feminists and will use those women as confirmation bias.not what ive seen, but maybe im seeing the bad side of it idk. what i do know is that there are pretty significant lefties who defend that sort of stuff, and the culture war stuff is still pretty big. edit: i know that efforts dont always shows. so if you making the effort, thanks for that. it is appreciated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/24 09:04 PM |
| 1 | Guys here care way too much about blue haired feminists and will use those women as confirmation bias.idk what to make of your statement tbh. what i said is pretty straightforwards. define sexual assault and rape by way of personal feelings instead of actions, 'unwantedness' rather than ignoring a no, or 'feeling threatened' (big black boy energy) rather than someone doing something threatening (making threats at me), and just like magic, you have folks being charged for things based on bad approaches. thats just what that means. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/24 09:01 PM |
| 1 | Guys here care way too much about blue haired feminists and will use those women as confirmation bias.so, read the whole thing, tho not in depth. id say the whole thing can be summarized as ferrell reporting what people who participate in incest say about their experiences. when they say 'positive experiences' it is the incest participants themselves, when they say negative experiences, it is the incent participants themselves. there is very little ferrell does towards interpretation beyond disambiguating between associative later harmful aspects of the persons life from the presumed causes bein… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/24 08:39 PM |
| 1 | Why Dudes Split From ‘The Left’ A.K.A. How To Defeat The Strongman/Weakwoman Dynamic; gender rights in the 21st centuryim more optimistic, but i take your point well. there is truth to the notion that folks are unwittingly creating the conditions for fascism by way of creating boogeymen out of regular men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/10/24 06:25 PM |
| 3 | Guys here care way too much about blue haired feminists and will use those women as confirmation bias.idk, the bear v man thing really showed how many people are 'blue haired radical feminists' or at least sympathetic to it, and how retorts like 'man exists in woods so women throw themselves alive into the waiting jaws of furry bear death' were dismissed as 'you are part of the problem'. now, i adore blue haired feminists and women in general, but there is some unchecked and quite brutal misandry going on there too. the bear v man thing shouldve been a no brainer, and instead it turned into anot… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/24 03:58 AM |
| 1 | Guys here care way too much about blue haired feminists and will use those women as confirmation bias.on the date rape thing, this seems to be the point he is making, which is true, based and redpilled or whatever you brats are saying these days: "Feminism has taught women to sue men for sexual harassment or date rape when men initiate with the wrong person or with the wrong timing; no one has taught men to sue women for sexual trauma for saying “yes,” then “no,” then “yes.” … Men [are] still expected to initiate, but now, if they [do] it badly, they could go to jail." the puritanical dispositio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/24 03:50 AM |
| 0 | Guys here care way too much about blue haired feminists and will use those women as confirmation bias.id rate this mostly false personally. to quote from the source on incest: "Warren Farrell admires Giaretto's rehabilitative mission among legitimate victims, for his own investigation allows for considerable negativity, particularly in the father-daughter category. But he faults Weekend for its skewed perspective. "It was like interviewing Cuban refugees about Cuba. Weekend recorded sexually abused children speaking about their sexual abuse, which is valuable, but the inference is that all inces… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/24 03:43 AM |
| 4 | What could be the best argument to shut off a feminist saying "not all men but always a men"?its always men because people always target men. just like it would always be blacks if the laws target blacks. it isnt that difficult to figure out. the laws, norms, customs, and ideologies tend to center blame on men, not women. why is it always men who commit sexual violence? because the laws literally define sexual violence as something men do to women. until very recently in most cases men couldnt even be considered rape victims, or victims of sexual assault. just literally no laws even cov… | /r/MensRights | 30/10/24 01:11 AM |
| 10 | Happy to be hereim mostly clueless about demographics of this stuff. I think the left has a ways to go before they are even close to understanding the fallacies they are embodying with certain feminist takes about things. recall internet rule one; the worst shit rises to the top first. they've been fed a steady diet of lies and misandry for decades now, and they generally express the most reviled and stupid feminist notions ever devised. so dont feel too bad about not being accepted into their spaces. im old en… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/10/24 01:03 AM |
| 11 | An admission that feminism is not for everyonegotta understand, the hatred is the main point for those folks. when they speak of 'going to the root' of the problem, that is radical feminism. it is a belief that men are in point of fact more or less irredeemably bad, Patriarchal Realism, etc... that person isnt 'pro woman' she is antiman, someone who gleefully harms men in her spare time, and openly advocates for the harm of men and even little boys. because hatred is her point. there is little rational thought in what she says, its far more… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/10/24 12:52 AM |
| 3 | Why Dudes Split From ‘The Left’ A.K.A. How To Defeat The Strongman/Weakwoman Dynamic; gender rights in the 21st centuryid suggest that the specifics in the OP are things that folks can do something about, as in, call or write their reps from both parties, and if folks are keen to do local political volunteering, you can get seats at the table and recommend putting the issues on the local party platform. oft those places are understaffed and in need of folks to fill positions. being in the position is what gets you a seat at the table and a vote on things like whats going on the local political platform. often th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/24 11:53 PM |
| 3 | Why Dudes Split From ‘The Left’ A.K.A. How To Defeat The Strongman/Weakwoman Dynamic; gender rights in the 21st centurytend to agree with this point regarding gender being a unified issued rather than a women's issue. certainly the angle ive been pushing with the HCQ:) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/24 11:47 PM |
| 1 | Dr K on female bullying/nasty behaviorive oft viewed many of mens issues as being pretty obvious. not all of them, but many, and likely the case that those that are obvious are the most significant ones. sexual violence has precluded the idea of women doing a sexual bad to men as a matter of law, theory and practice perhaps for thousands of years, but certainly for hundreds of years. its so pervasive that the idea is alien to people, can sound silly, far fetched, and so forth. family law. custody, parenting, domestic violence, famil… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/10/24 08:56 PM |
| 2 | are house chores/being a stay att home parent/wife/husband really that much harder then working away form home like feminists say it is?we decided on homeschooling for academic reasons. thought that a properly done homeschool environment could provide for a higher quality education overall, at least academically speaking. especially because the internet provided a means of accessing a lot of information that would otherwise have been difficult to access, was a lot of a work tho. why did you do homeschooling? my sense too is that once the kids get into high school the workload for stay at home drops significantly again. | /r/MensRights | 28/10/24 03:53 PM |
| 1 | i heard a feminist say that a man could just make another bank account so that he doesn't have to share his income with his stay att home wife and that he could threaten to keep the money form her, is this true? can you really do this and did/does this happen often?legally speaking both 'own' the money. doesnt mean you cant segregate bank accounts and do whatever. id say doing that to someone is financial abuse personally, and speaks to the lack of integrity of the marriage, and would generally be good grounds to divorce. there are lots of reasons tho to maintain separate bank accounts, so that folks can have some degree of independence in how they spend their fair share of the monies. | /r/MensRights | 28/10/24 12:22 AM |
| 0 | Why do men pursue women with traits or lifestyles they don’t approve of once they are in a relationship?i can think of a few differing reasons, some of the more reasonable than others. 1) jealousy can be a thing. 2) being in a long term relationship entails differing expectations overall. dating is a thing, being in an ltr is a different thing. i dont think men or women really come to grips with that beforehand, and it can be surprising to people that what they want changes because the circumstances have changed. 3) boring 'people change' kind of stuff. 4) doing things as a couple becomes a bigger… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/24 11:55 PM |
| 2 | Cross Cultural And Temporally Independent 'Patriarchy Index'sure. if you have specific questions to, feel free to ask, either here or dm. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/10/24 11:48 PM |
| 0 | are house chores/being a stay att home parent/wife/husband really that much harder then working away form home like feminists say it is?ive done both, tho as i homeschooled the kids my days were far busier than most than most stay at home parents. my sense overall was that stay at home tended to be more work, because there you were always on call. vacation time meant working more, not less. weekends, you still on the job. after dinner, still on call. that level of workload drops for most people when the kiddos go to school tho. when i started doing full time work again, (did so prior to the stay at home thing), i was no longer h… | /r/MensRights | 27/10/24 11:46 PM |
| 2 | Cross Cultural And Temporally Independent 'Patriarchy Index'idk that i am any good at providing less complex answers tbh. i find that if people ask specific questions they are having, i can typically answer them satisfactorily tho. otherwise i find that tend to rambling trying to explain the whole thing in other terms. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/10/24 05:31 PM |
| 3 | Why do feminists feel the need to overinflate rape statistics? What's the real number?i dont mind that guy:) im uncertain, i saw your bit here and realized that i may be misusing the term, idk. ive tended to use it loosely to mean fuckery with the stats, rather than some hyper specific term super quick poking around came this: What is P Hacking: Methods & Best Practices - Statistics By Jim the ones that look like they fit what i am describing here are variable manipulation and Excessive Hypothesis Testing & Multiple Comparisons but, again, i may be wrong. read 'p-hacking' here as… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/10/24 03:38 AM |
| 1 | Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’sjust throwing some red meat into this, there are no small number of external factors that at least could be influencing women such they are more likely to leave, namely, there is a lot in the general discourse, media, and so forth that pushes the notion that women ought divorce or leave, that they can 'do better' whenever there is any sort of lull or bad that is happening in a relationship. rather than, i mean, trying to work it out. conversely, as others have mentioned, dudes have social pressu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/24 03:27 AM |
| 2 | Cross Cultural And Temporally Independent 'Patriarchy Index'i dont disagree that that could be the case. i think that such may be a kind of indictor of a patriarchal element tho even if it is just on the very basic level of strict 'preferences for boys'. there is a brute favoritism happening there as a matter of basic existence if nothing else. why that preference is there in certain sense doesnt matter. could be for any number of reasons, but if people are generally preferring to have boys over girls, such as the infamous one child policy in china, ther… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/24 11:59 PM |
| 1 | Well feminist admit in nowjust going to toss that 451 Percenters point here. the issues are in the puritanical dispositions surrounding sexual violence. the stats that get tossed around make no common sense, because they are not reflective of reality. they are by design meant to incur outrage and hysteria, fear, which can be manipulated towards whatever aims and desires. they are puritanical in that they overly moralize sex and sexuality. terms like 'unwanted', 'attempted' and coercion' while they seem like something bad… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/24 06:30 PM |
| 3 | Cross Cultural And Temporally Independent 'Patriarchy Index'the focus article is currently pretty limited in scope to a certain timeframe and regions in europe. they are aiming to have the patriarchal index be something that can be used across the board, but currently its in a limited form. there is a lot of stereotypes that fuel the issues for sure. folks oft have a difficult time pulling themselves from those stereotypes, and just sorta view all cultures through the lens of their own. i oft find that people in the currents are stuck in a 1950s cultural… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/24 05:55 PM |
| 6 | Cross Cultural And Temporally Independent 'Patriarchy Index'this is one of those instances where id take the advertising and various economic measures as the better and primary source. they have all the right incentives, which is rare, to sniff out who is spending that money. the only real pushback id give to the point is that it may be that women have been so targeted by them that its a bit of a self-fulfilling prophesy at this point, and maybe even pushes them to spend more than they otherwise would. but regardless, who is spending the discretionary mo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/24 05:49 PM |
| 5 | Cross Cultural And Temporally Independent 'Patriarchy Index'something i appreciated about the article tho was that they are trying to avoid the problems within western feminist discourses which oft make crass characterizations of different cultures 'as if' they were an expression of patriarchy, when they just different cultures. theyre also i think trying to avoid problems in analysis that assume that any existing patriarchal element is inherently or necessarily a bad. which is so common in the discourse i think folks oft have a difficult time grasping t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/10/24 05:44 PM |
| – | Do we have to pin women down to a science.this seems kinda dense. there is a whole discipline and movement known as feminism, women studies, and so forth that is dedicated in no small part to analyzing men, mens behavior, and so on. if there is an issue with dudes doing that to chicks now, it is stemming from the chicks doing this to dudes for generations now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/24 06:17 PM |
| 1 | FD Signifer Makes a 28 Minute Video attacking Abuse Victim Johnny Deppah, i saw this vid in my watch list, didnt watch it, still wont. made me lose more respect for fd too. all he is saying is that there is no such thing as a male victim. fd is too straight for words. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/24 03:22 AM |
| 11 | Dr K on female bullying/nasty behavioroh, i hear you on the qualifying remarks. i make them too. idk why he is doing them, but i can tell you why i do them. the feministas never did it, they fucked the fuck up with that too. I aint making the same mistakes they did. this shite is a dynamic, when you arent reasonable with things, the tendency is for the others to whom you are speaking to also be unreasonable. men do thus and such. women do such and thus. in truth each do each. breaking a dynamic isnt about focusing on one or the othe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/24 02:01 AM |
| 8 | Dr K on female bullying/nasty behaviorthey think it will give them power. it wont. its reactionary, and its also the same shite the feminsitas be doing. 'rugged individualism' for men or women is bunkus. its bout loving each other, not segregation from each other. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/24 01:53 AM |
| 18 | What was a time that you, as a man, experienced sexism or misandry?oh man, im just going to give some of the tamer ones, also ones that dont seem to overlap much with the other comments. Gender Studies As A Dude i went to university and got a degree in gender studies in the way back of 06-07 or thereabout. before it was cool to be a feminist. at the time it was still generally called women's studies. I was oft the only dude in the classroom. Most of the students in those classes were standoffish to me, gave me dour looks just for existing there. There were vari… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/24 01:34 AM |
| 1 | the reactionary nature of activismIve gravitated to this: Differences In Good Faith, Gender and Coalitions i think it provides a sound framework for folks to organize in. i am an idealist on sex positivity. i think radical sex and love are valid solutions to the world's problems. I regularly aim towards addressing issues primarily as they are related to folks' views around sex and love in particular as a means for folks to come to a better and practical means of addressing the world's problems. there is something to it, i think,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/24 12:03 AM |
| 1 | the reactionary nature of activismi dont have an easy to access list of books on the topics, sorry. moreover, i am not actually aware of ever really hearing any self-critical views within feminist lit. the standard narrative i was taught and what i read was that women were excluded because they are women, rather than women weren't included because the issue and moment was about something else. you can look up Seneca Falls Convention, and likely browse through whatever you find and follow links to hear the basic history of women'… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/10/24 05:50 PM |
| 3 | Why do feminists feel the need to overinflate rape statistics? What's the real number?tru story; way back in 06 or 07 i was taking some women's studies class (it had yet to be changed to gender studies) and when the prof saw me she sighed, took several deep breaths like she was in shock at the horror of something, and muttered to herself (loud enough for everyone in class to hear) 'there's always ten percent, there's always ten percent' referring to me being a dude in the class. she was hostile af that whole class, singled me out repeatedly for scolding on things that were pretty… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/10/24 05:23 PM |
| 5 | Why do feminists feel the need to overinflate rape statistics? What's the real number?im of the view that it isnt feminism per se, it is strains of thought within feminism, see here What Is Gender Studies 102. i think there are certain philosophical commitments within feminism and gender theory that need to be philosophically knifed, but not the whole of it tossed. but this is likely in part bc i am familiar with a fair amount of the academic lit on the topic, and i know some of it is quite good and insightful. whereas much of the practice, online discourse, etc... is pretty shit… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/10/24 01:06 AM |
| 11 | Why do feminists feel the need to overinflate rape statistics? What's the real number?yep, there is pretty clear power to be had by pretending to be a victim. the use of fake stats to induce moral panic in a population so that they hand you power and so that attention is given to the supposed victim is so common historically its only comical that anyone still takes it seriously. the stats used are absurd on their face too. a third of women get raped? while only something like one in a million women make any sort of claim of ever being raped? Edit; bit hyperbolic to the point. i k… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/10/24 12:06 AM |
| 14 | Why do feminists feel the need to overinflate rape statistics? What's the real number?you have to understand that the cited stats expressly do not do that. they claim that you cant trust women to give accurate answers to their own sexual experiences. if you ask them, they might be too afraid to answer truthfully, or some other such thing, so that if you say 'have you ever been raped' they will say 'no', even tho they have been raped, they are just far too silly headed little women to actually know that they have been raped. so what you need to do is ask them unrelated questions, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/10/24 11:51 PM |
| 21 | Why do feminists feel the need to overinflate rape statistics? What's the real number?they are the 451 percenters. there is an ideological bent here, puritanism, which is quite critical. there is also a fascistic bent which attempts to utilize fear and villifying 'the others' (pretty much always men) as a means of gaining or maintaining power. folks have long recognized this in many other areas. in the current there is the 'mexican rapist' trope regarding immigration, the palestinian rapists on the israeli/palestine issue, the 'white prep boys' rapists prevalent on in more lefty … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/10/24 05:40 PM |
| 2 | the reactionary nature of activismyou aren't alone in noting these sorts of things. ive been a long time lefty activist from a family of lefty activists going back at least several generations to the early part of the 20th century, possible further back. family lore is that this sort of thing keeps happening in leftist organizing efforts, and rather specifically in regards to gendered issues. Technically this runs all ways, as in, there have been times when queerness, feminine, or masculine were each exceptionally divisive issue… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/10/24 04:28 PM |
| 2 | Patriarchal Realism, Cruelty Is The Aim And The Pointfwiw, im here as a gender theorist bc imho mens issues are in dire need of being addressed, and i think that doing so goes a long ways towards actually addressing the broader gendered issues we are facing down. but i hear you in regards to what you are saying with queer theorist, feminists, etc.... you are giving voice to the problems that i also see, and to which i am trying to address. to be clear, i do not think that 'liberating women from the patriarchy' will do anything at all to address me… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/10/24 06:56 PM |
| 1 | Anyone else see misandry as being deeply intertwined with racism?i tend to view this as part of a basic dynamic between the sexes which others outsiders, but really just men. folks are pointing to views that are perhaps prevelant within american or european societies, but they are not really prevelant outside of those contexts. dangerousness and masculinity go hand in hand within the imagination, and masculinity tends to be the target of it. hence, in japan or the congo, the outsider males are markedly different, but it is the males that are primarily viewed … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/10/24 03:07 AM |
| 11 | “Toxic masculinity” is real, but the term used for what it refers to is harmfultru nuff on the boys will be boys point. there is a related and more controversial aspect to which i assume folks are more responding to there, namely, that masculine sexuality also has a boys will be boys attitude to it. there is a legitimacy to that, as in, indeed, masculine sexuality is a thing and ought not be villified. Id strongly suggest that the puritancial dispositions towards sexuality inform the gross miscategorization of masculine sexuality into a pejorative of 'boys will be boys'. i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/10/24 03:00 AM |
| 6 | “Toxic masculinity” is real, but the term used for what it refers to is harmfulnoting as others have here that the term was actually formed by a proto mens movement and then later coopted into its current misandristic form, but that aside OP makes a good point. that cooption of the term and the concept also tracks OP's point that women had to be the victims, and men the perps, somehow or another. they took something that was intended to be a means for men to culturally address the problems of modern life as men, and transformed it into a means whereby women, and others, ca… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/10/24 02:51 AM |
| 5 | Patriarchal Realism, Cruelty Is The Aim And The Pointi agree that there ought be more attention paid to the matriarchal elements. I am not sure that to not do so is to just end up with a gynocentric social structure tho. however, 'holistically' doesn't quite capture the point of the HCQ. my sense is that those issues are just inherently dynamic, meaning that what happens in one aspect of it inherently affects the other aspects of it. to modify how matriarchy works is already to modify how patriarchy and queerarchy functionally work, and the same t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/10/24 10:32 PM |
| 1 | Patriarchy as a dump, and reactionarily understood.it does have a fair amount in common with race realism. i know the distinctions between realism and idealism can be somewhat obtuse, but in this case i think they are important, see here. there is a pretty deep series of contradictions at the core of Patriarchal Realism, in that it largely affirms gendered stereotypes, depends on them, reinforces them, and attempts to use them towards an aim of 'liberating' women. but of course since it is so steeped in gender stereotypes it simply cannot really… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/10/24 04:28 PM |
| 2 | Patriarchal Realism, Cruelty Is The Aim And The Pointits because there is a revenge motivation to it. setting aside the merits of patriarchal realism, which i think are exceedingly poor, in any instance of injustices, one emotive possibility is to desire to seek revenge, and to get pleasure, a sense of satisfaction from it. hence the sadism. we might even call that bad faith on their part. Rather than, say, understanding it, and correcting for it. i'm of the view that the HCQ is a proper way to view the gender dynamic, with any injustices within i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/10/24 04:05 PM |
| 1 | Gender Theory rejects patriarchal realism'; idealism is a better understanding of what folks mean by patriarchy, matriarchy, and queerarchy.fwiw: part of the attempt at theory of gender not based around power; Differentiations In Good Faith, On Gender And Coalitions. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/10/24 03:15 AM |
| 3 | Patriarchal Realism, Cruelty Is The Aim And The Pointi didn't mean to imply that she was abusing your kid. I meant to imply that what you are describing sounds like she is abusing you. emotional and verbal abuse. i dont think it is uncommon for someone who is abusing their spouse to also be coddling their kids. both can be manifestations of control, and as we've noted, there is an element of cruelty involved when the rationale for it is the big bad boogeyman of Patriarchal Realism. while i wouldnt say that sort of parenting is abusive, but it can … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/10/24 02:50 AM |
| 1 | Patriarchy as a dump, and reactionarily understood.also good points. it is i think important to recognize that the people who benefit from mischaracterizing society as a patriarchy, and who hold to the demonstrably absurd position of Patriarchal Realism are exactly women primarily. the more lies regarding patriarchy they can spread, the more power they can accrue to themselves by playing victim. it isn't a particularly clever or new strategy, its actually pretty obvious. all the examples you gave are examples of that kind of manipulative power g… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/10/24 02:36 AM |
| 1 | Patriarchal Realism, Cruelty Is The Aim And The Pointsorry that shit is happening to you. you aint alone. i'd agree that documenting everything is important, and it matters if any issue comes up. i dont tend to support folks divorcing over stuff without trying to fix things, so i'd say trying to see a couple's therapist, or talking it out with her yourself are good ways to go, but, having contemporaneous documentations of these sorts of abusive actions can go a long ways in divorce court towards, for instance, getting full custody so you aren't pa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/10/24 02:22 AM |
| 2 | Patriarchal Realism, Cruelty Is The Aim And The Pointwe can hope, i think such isn't an unfounded hope. i've been of the view that, well, i mean i actually support harris walz for a number of their policies, etc... but ive been of the view as regards these specific issues in particular that harris/walz are actually better than trump/vance i've not seen harris/walz lean into the feminist narrative particularly at all. it comes up a bit here and there, but it is far from a central theme, unlike how it was with clinton the second. at least rhetorical… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/10/24 02:17 AM |
| 3 | Patriarchal Realism, Cruelty Is The Aim And The Pointthanks. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/10/24 11:34 PM |
| 3 | Obama's comment towards black men - is it misogyny or is it really misandry (assuming Harris is getting fewer votes because male voters are sexist)its misandry. the assumption is that men cannot choose but to vote for harris/walz unless they are sexist pig faced men. its sad and gross. the only reason dem folks hold this view is that they do not take seriously any sense of mens issues. To them, mens issues are actually womens issues in disguise. as in, for instance, the tragedy of men being the primary targets of laws, police action, police murders, and prison population is actually a horror that women face, cause men be so bad or somethin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/10/24 07:35 PM |
| 4 | How are you keeping your chin up today?ive a couple sweet bottles of red and a bonfire to go to later. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/10/24 06:16 PM |
| 6 | Has anybody had a chance to analyze the "Misandry Myth" study?you gotta understand, they need to show their biases by way of the spelling. here we plainly see their biases are against western, educated, industrial, rich democracies. its helpful, show gratitude for how they broadcast their biases, that way we know we can outright dismiss them from the get go, and we know exactly why would ought to dismiss them:) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/10/24 06:12 PM |
| 6 | Has anybody had a chance to analyze the "Misandry Myth" study?its remarkable that this study has come up more than once, will likely again too. speaks to the persistence of the myth, that is, the myth that there isnt rampant and unchecked misandry racing through feminists spaces, or deeply embedded within at least some feminist thought. like, all obvious evidence to the contrary, when #killallmen spawns and trends within feminist online spaces, that isnt evidence of misandry, or something. 'feed me alive to a bear lest my eyes be sullied by the sight of a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/10/24 06:03 PM |
| 1 | Patriarchy as a dump, and reactionarily understood.i dont personally think that there is no such thing as patriarchy, I think there are pretty clear examples and evidence of there having been and there currently being manifestations of patriarchy and patriarchal elements in cultures and societies. its the specific set of beliefs associated with Patriarchal Realism that are very much akin to flat earther beliefs, and is that to which i think folks who respond, not unreasonably, with incredulous disbelief are referring. it is that grand narrative,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/10/24 03:49 PM |
| 5 | Patriarchy as a dump, and reactionarily understood.you make some good points and oddities in how patriarchy is functionally used. The 'internalizing' sorts of arguments are another that have always bothered me. as in, women (or men or queers) each internalize hatred of themselves. It isn't so much that i think that doesn't happen, it is that in practice of the dialog and how people think about things it means that folks can avoid any sense of personal responsibility, or any criticisms of their favorite pet theories. so patriarchy becomes that th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/10/24 03:41 PM |
| 1 | Gender Theory rejects patriarchal realism'; idealism is a better understanding of what folks mean by patriarchy, matriarchy, and queerarchy.i dont disagree with the principle, some sort of middle ground is at least most likely correct. what that middle ground looks like tho is actually an unknown. there isn't some distinct formula we can use, we can just try and meet each other at it. good faithed efforts all around are required. me trying, believe me. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/10/24 09:41 PM |
| 3 | The Empathy Gap and Ignorance of Male Suffering (1)you gotta understand, for these people, murdering men is the point. for them, misandry is a given. Its like asking a kkk member about the blacks murdered, or the nazis bout the jews murdered. like 'wtf, that's the point right, we are here to literally murder these people right'? its like that, but its men. the hate you first and foremost, your harm and death are their primary aims. they do not think of you as human, bc you are a man. that's how misandry works, just like any other related form of… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/10/24 01:35 AM |
| 1 | Rapists and paedophiles set to be chemically castrated in controversial Italy crackdown - World News - Mirror OnlineI meant perjured, willfully lied about. people willfully lie about men. It is purposefully done, it is hatefully motivated (misandry), with an aim specifically to harm men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/10/24 11:53 PM |
| 1 | Gender Theory rejects patriarchal realism'; idealism is a better understanding of what folks mean by patriarchy, matriarchy, and queerarchy.there is a real connectivity between individualism and x-archy views, bc sexuality and gender are a part of an individual's identity. there is an ease to making that leap, but it is an illeased view. there are scalar differences involved that you are pointing to, between the individualistic viewpoint and the HCQ, that makes huge differences in terms of the worth or value of a given point. what may be valid for the individual is not necessarily valid for the group as a whole. to the point of gend… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/10/24 11:46 PM |
| 1 | Gender Theory rejects patriarchal realism'; idealism is a better understanding of what folks mean by patriarchy, matriarchy, and queerarchy.it is long, hope it was worth the save. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/10/24 11:40 PM |
| 1 | Gender Theory rejects patriarchal realism'; idealism is a better understanding of what folks mean by patriarchy, matriarchy, and queerarchy.I'm wordy, its tru. sometimes wordiness is what is required to properly bring forth the concepts, especially in how they are related to each other. it is relatively simple to describe a concept in isolation, or as a rhetorical soundbite, it is actually quite complex tho to start to describe a full on system, something like a complexly interacting dynamic and asymmetrical system is just far more complex than a little jumble of words are going to convey. just consider; if the reality is actually c… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/10/24 11:40 PM |
| 0 | Gender Theory rejects patriarchal realism'; idealism is a better understanding of what folks mean by patriarchy, matriarchy, and queerarchy.oh, could be, but i doubt it. i hate being public like this, and utterly despise the attention. there is nothing good that accrues to me by way of trying to make myself look smart. I actually just talk like this, believe it or not, unless i am being impish, and i write like this as a matter of course. i feel that folks cannot properly understand these issues without delving into the more 'obtuse' concepts. there are reasons why academics use technical language, and seemingly obtuse concepts; the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/10/24 11:34 PM |
| 2 | Gender Theory rejects patriarchal realism'; idealism is a better understanding of what folks mean by patriarchy, matriarchy, and queerarchy.i dont think we can eliminate power analysis, but i agree that we need other frameworks to better understand the problems. power as a concept is so vague that it is misleading, misused, and misunderstood. What anyone could mean by a power imbalance is just hopelessly lost in the analysis of power. a favorite quote from a feminist prof of mine criticizing something i wrote was 'you have to be specific about what you mean by power, what the instantiations of it are, and you have to also show that … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/10/24 11:28 PM |
| 1 | Gender Theory rejects patriarchal realism'; idealism is a better understanding of what folks mean by patriarchy, matriarchy, and queerarchy.is a good point. there is a queer perspective on this sort of stuff that is more easily able to see the problems from either gendered perspective. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/10/24 11:25 PM |
| 6 | what are some examples of feminist groups protesting against men rightsAny version of the Duluth model of domestic violence. the modeling is specifically derived from feminist theory, and holds that women only do DV in self defense, and men only do DV in aggression for power and control bc of patriarchy or whatever. its a remarkably sexist and dumb notion that defies all logic or reason, but there it is. the modeling is important bc it has long been popular in pop culture and practices, especially in feminist groups, and used to justify the exclusion of men's domes… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/09/24 09:56 PM |
| 2 | what are some examples of feminist groups protesting against men rightsseems pretty reductive of what patriarchy means. the notion of patriarchy entails not 'just the leadership of men' but the exclusion of non-men from leadership, or more broadly, from power. having a man lead something isn't patriarchy, at least not in any normal sense of how that term is used, because it wouldn't necessarily be systemically so, as in, just having joe blow in charge doesn't mean all and only men are in charge. consider how folks describe the way 'feminists' act. to me that is a g… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/09/24 09:41 PM |
| 17 | Anyone else find Dr Anne Campbell a sexist?oh yeah, she's a sexist pig faced woman. no doubt. the obvious and proper view is that all victims of DV deserve resources. only a sexist pig faced person would think otherwise. | /r/MensRights | 21/09/24 08:14 PM |
| 1 | Women are attempting to ridiculously narrow the definition of consent for sexyep, you tend to get mobbed by the consent cultists when you point out that their beliefs are absurd, puritanical, and not reflective of basic reality. enthusiastic yes as a consent model is basically crazy controlling behavior by women. understand that consent defines rape, not 'want' or 'desire'. men regularly, i mean, all the time, do sexual acts for their lovers simply to pleasure them, bc why in the world wouldn't they? and the doing of them has nothing to do with they themselves particular… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/24 07:50 PM |
| 1 | No fault divorce is not good for men.i don't believe in getting rid of child support; post divorce ought be 50/50 custody, but typically and maybe always it is the case that one parent doesn't have the same caliber of career as the other parent, and this bc that parent was tasked with raising the kids. getting rid of child support just punishes the children, and makes the task of raising kids, which is a crucial and important task, something that is avoided. I agree with OP tho that making no fault divorce illegal would harm men, l… | /r/MensRights | 21/09/24 07:35 PM |
| 18 | I find the feminist outrage reaction towards sex robots very disingenuous.part of the problem here is that feminists span a huge array of positions. so its difficult to really pigeonhole 'feminist positions' on a topic. what makes it 'feminist' is either: 1) is the opinion primarily about women's issues. or 2) is it stemming from someone who self-identifies as feminist. to argue that sex bots are good for women or bad for women are both feminist positions is the point i am making. good for women bc incels no do harmy harm. feminist position. bad for women bc teaches m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/09/24 05:57 PM |
| 28 | Rapists and paedophiles set to be chemically castrated in controversial Italy crackdown - World News - Mirror Onlinei'd suggest considering that, for example, men are perjured against being childcare givers due to the belief that men are more prone to do CSA. men aren't thought of as being home makers even of their own kids for similar reasons, e.g. prejudices against men predicated on beliefs about male sexual violence. that sexual assault in general is perjured to be something that women cannot do (laws are slowly changing on that, but that it is only now and slowly changing speaks to the degree of abuse th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/09/24 09:50 PM |
| 3 | I find it suspicious that feminists ignored rigid male gender roles when explaining why men rape.I tend to prefer the view of power and control as an explanation of rape and rape like behavior. It works well as a distinguishing between just being a horny person, and being someone who unduly takes sex from others. I also think that it isn't applied to women and feminine sexuality adequately tho. if rape is about power and control, consider the degree whereby views that seek to center control and power with women in sexuality are actually manifestations of rape behavior. For most relevant ins… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/09/24 07:30 PM |
| 7 | Women complaining from not getting approached anymorelikely tru, unfortunately too. i've been floored over the years hearing about similar stories for folks i've know. they literally do nothing wrong, and some lady accuses them of 'harassment' or whatever, and they are run out of the business, the town, or even just literally beaten up over it. friends and family are pressured to abandon the person, and so on. its the puritanical mob. they are the ones harassing and harming people, not the other way around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/24 01:03 AM |
| 4 | Women complaining from not getting approached anymoreoh my, agree. this is likely tru, unfortunately. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/24 12:31 AM |
| 14 | Lawsuit: a university counselor initiated an unauthorized investigation against a falsely accused student who confided in her about the pain of being wrongly accused. This resulted in the student being dismissed from the program.this is a good point. i've listened to what others have said as gone on in their own experiences at counseling, and its pretty whack shite. not always, but wow, there is a strain of thought in counseling that follow the logic of patriarchal realism, meaning that women are always and inherently in an oppressed position, men are always and inherently in an oppressor position, and hence you can 'solve' problems by correcting for that supposed imbalance. it's quite horrendous, and folks practicing i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/24 05:07 PM |
| 5 | They want equality when it comes to greatness. But when it comes to being terrible, all of a sudden men and women aren't equal anymore?this is true, and one of the bigger issues with feministas. there isn't anything to their ideology beyond 'what is good for women, is good' and 'what is bad for men is good'. they're lacking is self-criticism across the board. this stems from feminisms hyper focus on women's issues rather than gendered issues, which stems from their belief in patriarchal realism. if they were to understand it as a heteronormative dynamic with a significant queer component, those kinds of problems would be mitiga… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/09/24 07:26 PM |
| 1 | Women's Fears Fueled Sundown Towns, And Continue To Fuel Over Policing, Harsh Prison Sentences, And The Targeting Of Poor And Minority Menthis is true, and well known to be tactic used by authoritarian/fascistic leaders, tho also others. stoke fears of crime, ramp up as high as you can that irrational fear response and then use that to take power and direct the anger about it upon your political enemies. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/09/24 04:34 PM |
| 1 | Women's Fears Fueled Sundown Towns, And Continue To Fuel Over Policing, Harsh Prison Sentences, And The Targeting Of Poor And Minority MenIt is pretty fucking wild. It is also why oft non-white feminism and queer gender theory are minimized or outright excluded from feminist spaces. They call into question much of the dogma in those spaces. Dogmas that are oft also questions in spaces like these. it's part of a narrative within especially the left called solidarity. and i don't want to shit on solidarity, but as a consequent of it, in conjunction with the belief in patriarchal realism, the logic runs: 1) women were oppressed. 2) o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/09/24 04:30 PM |
| 3 | Have any of you seen the whatever podcast? It’s making me think modern western women are depraved and malevolent.link to the podcast please? tho also understand that it sounds like a Howard Stern kinda move. shock jocks, where the whole point is to get views by saying really dumb shite that shocks people. much of the internet is like that these days too. zero sense of discourse, just a giant streaming service of shock jocks saying dumb shite. the only sad part is that there are folks who take that stuff seriously and try to live it out. | /r/MensRights | 04/09/24 11:17 PM |
| 6 | Have any of you seen the whatever podcast? It’s making me think modern western women are depraved and malevolent.sounds correct. trump is a feminist icon, he embodies all the talking points of a strain of popular feminism. there is no Truth, just lies that people speak, a.k.a. 'personal truths'. there is no ethic but power, control, and domination. gender roles ought be strictly enforced for men and women, as there is a 'correct' version of them to be had, e.g. avoid toxic embrace positive gender roles. i've only found it remarkable that more feministas aren't flocking around is hog to get a drip drip tast… | /r/MensRights | 04/09/24 11:15 PM |
| 25 | The phase "feminism is for men too" can't coexist with the oppressed vs oppressor dichotomy. Because it's a major contradiction.I think OP is correct, there is a contradiction therein. gotta toss the oppressor/oppressed dichotomy, and insert the heteronormative complex with a significant queer component. Its more factually accurate, and doesn't entail any fundamental contradictions to it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 11:04 PM |
| 4 | Women's Fears Fueled Sundown Towns, And Continue To Fuel Over Policing, Harsh Prison Sentences, And The Targeting Of Poor And Minority Mento me the unjust and undue focus on men's roles in those sorts of things is what marks it best as pertinent to male advocacy. but i'd say that on a deeper level, men get murdered by this shite. this has been a common through line in history in every country and culture that has yet existed. it is a very human sort of problem, when men get murdered en masse and communities terrorized based on gendered roles and stereo types. understanding why that happens seems crucial to men's issues in general.… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 10:39 PM |
| 1 | Women's Fears Fueled Sundown Towns, And Continue To Fuel Over Policing, Harsh Prison Sentences, And The Targeting Of Poor And Minority Menit gets squishy. i think of soft power in part as the means of getting someone else to do the thing for you, rather than doing the thing yourself, or forcing the issue yourself. but the end game for soft power may very well be some hard power shit, like a lynching, a beating, an over policing, a state sponsored reign of terror, etc... to me the origins of the power are what marks it as soft or hard, not the end results which oft can just amount to an exercise of hard power. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 10:30 PM |
| 11 | Lie that won't die - No, women do not serve longer prison sentences after killing abusersit's a harsh but true addition to OP's point: when men murder their lovers, it's an abuser finishing the job. when women murder their lovers, it's an abuser acting in self-defense. exact same action, entirely different criminal outcome. the level of dishonesty involved with the feministas presentations of reality is so astounding it really is difficult to understand how anyone actually believes that shit. Delusional hardly covers it. its the same shite as how folks believe trumps constant stream… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 09:52 PM |
| 6 | Women's Fears Fueled Sundown Towns, And Continue To Fuel Over Policing, Harsh Prison Sentences, And The Targeting Of Poor And Minority Menindeed "i didn't do the lynching, the murder, the over policing, or build the gated communities, or the beatings, i just directed others to do it for me bc me so scared." tho note that in the currents they also leading and doing those things themselves too. equality and all that. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 09:45 PM |
| 1 | Women's Fears Fueled Sundown Towns, And Continue To Fuel Over Policing, Harsh Prison Sentences, And The Targeting Of Poor And Minority Mennot familiar with Nextdoor, is that another 'see something say something' kind of group devoted to outing criminals and dispensing vigilante justice? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 07:38 PM |
| 3 | Women's Fears Fueled Sundown Towns, And Continue To Fuel Over Policing, Harsh Prison Sentences, And The Targeting Of Poor And Minority Mendifferent stats do vary, but they are all using similar models to NISVS now. and they are just surveys. Surveys that can and are manipulated by folks to get the read they want. understand that in any academic field of inquiry, surveys would be considered the lowest and least impressive form of evidence. they are far too easily manipulated, they are just survey questions, so its just opinion polls, and this has been clear for many decades now. the only thing close to hard data on sexual violence … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 07:35 PM |
| 2 | Child Abuse Apologists -- "She's just overwhelmed!"We already have the subs for tracking misandry, I think another key thing that needs to be tracked is how frequently abusive women aren't held responsible for their choices. If a man doesn't something wrong, it's because men are bad. If a woman does something wrong, it's because men are bad. This narrative needs to be broken down. agreed. such a forum needs to be. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 03:25 AM |
| 2 | How Misandry and Misogyny inform Trans Misandry and Trans Misogynywhat i find by far the most telling point is that for trans people, regardless of the direction the transness flows, is that their proximity to masculinity is their primary means of discrimination. for trans women insofar as they are perceived as men, they are ostracized from women's spaces and castigated by society writ large. for trans men, insofar as they are viewed as being men, they are viewed as expressions of misogyny. as if a 'woman had done gone wrong for wanting to be a man.' insofar a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 03:22 AM |
| 2 | How Misandry and Misogyny inform Trans Misandry and Trans Misogynyyep this seems to be the proper take on terfs. it is why radfem is a hate ideology no matter what way you splice it. rad fem and all its ideological commitments that are foundational too it needs to go, as noted here. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 03:16 AM |
| 2 | Being anti male gender role is like being a nihilist. Society finds meaning in male gender roles.Note In this post I won't even bother to differentiate conservatives and feminists in THIS CONTEXT (not in general). Because we all know both conservatives and feminists have damn near identical expectations when it comes to male gender roles and masculinity. It's like the corporate want you to tell the difference between these two pictures meme (it's the same picture). For Christ sake both use the term "positive masculinity" to describe what a "real man" should be. beautifully put. i've said it… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 02:27 AM |
| 10 | Women's Fears Fueled Sundown Towns, And Continue To Fuel Over Policing, Harsh Prison Sentences, And The Targeting Of Poor And Minority Mentrue, one of many thousands of black men in america to be lynched due to irrational fears of women. not a unique phenomena to america or black men either. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 02:01 AM |
| 14 | Women's Fears Fueled Sundown Towns, And Continue To Fuel Over Policing, Harsh Prison Sentences, And The Targeting Of Poor And Minority MenI don't downvote folks who participate in good faithed efforts. I only downvote things that dissuade from reasonable discourse. you got my upvote, not bc i necessarily agree with you, but bc you posited some kind of reasonable discussion point. thanks. As the OP stats, and i harp on consistently, the stat you are quoting is stemming from NISVS, they are not a reliable source. As you correctly note tho, if it were true that 1 in 6 women..... then that would be a reasonable fear to have now wouldn… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 01:33 AM |
| 1 | Support group for men about relationships and sexual connections with women.hmm, interesting bit the comments on the linked post. they are clearly Liberal focused, as in, self-centered. its kinda strange to me to read it, like, the things they say are obviously false, as in, flat earther false, but they're just like 'wow, so amazing, self-empowerment, how can you love someone else if you don't love yourself'. there is also a preoccupation in the comments regarding incels. while i guess i kinda get that a dating advice bit might cater to those folks who are struggling wi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 01:15 AM |
| 4 | Why don't we see Paper Abortion posts in this sub?i've an abortion piece i've been putting together, its inflammatory. it is likely something that needs to be discussed tho. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 12:34 AM |
| 3 | Women's Fears Fueled Sundown Towns, And Continue To Fuel Over Policing, Harsh Prison Sentences, And The Targeting Of Poor And Minority Meni think it is a concrete example that ties history to the current practices in a way that folks can hopefully run with. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 12:31 AM |
| 9 | Women's Fears Fueled Sundown Towns, And Continue To Fuel Over Policing, Harsh Prison Sentences, And The Targeting Of Poor And Minority Menthere ought be more talk to the point for sure. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 12:30 AM |
| 5 | Women's Fears Fueled Sundown Towns, And Continue To Fuel Over Policing, Harsh Prison Sentences, And The Targeting Of Poor And Minority Menthat's a polite way of putting it. guess who helped make black men a slur? and guess their reasons why they did it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 12:23 AM |
| 17 | Women's Fears Fueled Sundown Towns, And Continue To Fuel Over Policing, Harsh Prison Sentences, And The Targeting Of Poor And Minority Menwhen discussed in gender studies classes, the topic of how women's fears bout their sexual virtue are used to harm communities, especially minority and poor communities, it is among the most difficult for the women folk therein to really get ahold of. it is a foreign concept to their experiences. it is asked of them to conceptualized how their own gender's privileges them and how they themselves harm others. that is no easy ask for anyone. it is discussed in gender studies classes tho. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/09/24 12:13 AM |
| 4 | What do you think is the best way to combat street harassment?i appreciate the thoughtful post. i tend to agree that the proper way to deal with catcalling is via tabooing, and noting that catcalling is not a criminal offense, nor is it even indicative of something wrong going on. catcalling is a matter of tastes in socio-sexual interactions. its fine if folks who don't appreciate it finger wag bout it, but there gonna be folks who do it anyway, and there gonna be folks that actually appreciate it, who actually seek it out even. it is literally just a mean… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/09/24 11:51 PM |
| 1 | UC San Diego scrubs sexist girl-only Summer STEM programme after Prof Mark Perryi don't think so, but i do admit that such is a possibility. outreach efforts are common in all sorts of business practices, politics, advertisement, and activist efforts. all it really means is to target people where they are at, wherever that is. the point here is to not predicate that targeting upon things like 'oppressed' or 'disadvantaged' etc... but rather to just aim towards reaching out to all people based on where they are at. there isn't such a thing as a 'generic targeting of all peop… | /r/MensRights | 03/09/24 08:52 PM |
| – | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.dude or chick, be real. people tell that to folks they disagree with in basically every forum online, bc its easier than engaging with others in a real sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/24 08:47 PM |
| 1 | 2019 Harris On The Criminal And Prison Justice Systembit of a side issue, but i see your point. i've never really been a big pro gun person, but i do generally support folks rights to own guns. i also believe in sensible regulation. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/24 04:00 PM |
| 1 | Gender Specific Laws in Spain Backfirethat is an interesting possibility, is the law being enforced or not? i'll take a look at some point. it actually is oft difficult to find specific examples unless they have been sensationalized in newspapers already, like where the 'crime of century' is going on and it gets covered in depth. criminal data and records are not exactly open access sort of stuff, and they don't typically give the details of a case when it is available. so i imagine i can find 'x number of people have been prosecute… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/24 03:32 PM |
| 1 | Gender Specific Laws in Spain Backfireagain, why? why would i take the time to look that stuff up for you? what's your point? pretend i did, and said here it is. then what? like what's your point? i'm not trying to be mean either, i just don't really want to go through the hassle of looking something like that up. i don't keep up with spanish of canadian law, so i don't have like cases off the top of my head i can point to. i can with US law and instances. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/08/24 01:31 AM |
| 1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.idk if that means i agree with your example. didn't you just say 'a stranger touching you in a sexualized way'? if so, what i said doesn't agree with you, as i provided a bunch of examples where a stranger touching you in a sexualized way would be fine. do you mean like some in abstraction stranger on the street randomly passing by and grabbing your crotch? if so, i'd agree that is a bad, but it is a bad bc it lacks reasonable context for the action. in answer to your other question. i don't thi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/24 01:28 AM |
| 1 | Gender Specific Laws in Spain Backfirei honestly am not sure why you are asking for some specific examples, i gave you general ones, of which there are plenty of examples of that happening. its not a secret, and it is how yes means yes laws are written. you can just look the laws themselves up, or even just vaguely look at US history regarding race relations. im asking why you want specific examples because it would take time to actually look up specific case examples, something you could do if you wanted. so like, what is the point… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/08/24 01:16 AM |
| 1 | Gender Specific Laws in Spain Backfireidk about spain's law specifically, but yes in general. such has been fairly common practice for some time now even in places that don't expressly have that law. think of all the hubbub over minority men being targeted by non-minority women who 'feel threatened' by them for whatever reason (racism) in the US. the US doesn't even have these laws per se, but they do have a long history of defacto having those laws. as in, the police illegally do those things anyway at the whim of women who 'feel t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/08/24 01:07 AM |
| 1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.you already asked that in another comment, and i answered that there. here is a copy paste of that answer. "look, you're asking a broader question, and i'll answer it, but understand that OP is about the strong similarities between yes means yes sexual ethic and puritan beliefs about sexual ethics. the only meaningful difference is that puritans held to a marriage contract as the only valid means of showing 'joyful willingness', whereas the yes means yes crowd takes on a Liberal ethic for it suc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/24 12:38 AM |
| 1 | UC San Diego scrubs sexist girl-only Summer STEM programme after Prof Mark Perrythink there is a confusion here. i am not saying that is 'what is going on' in the OP, i am offering up an alternative that would be acceptable imo as a way to target groups of people in pragmatic ways without excluding or discriminating based on those characteristics. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/24 11:32 PM |
| 1 | Do you think it possible for a male to be sexist but not misogynistic? Examples of this?i mean, the obvious example here is being sexist towards men or queers and not women, hence being sexist but not misandrist. but i assume that OP means 'sexist against women and not also misogynist, or misogynist and not also sexist'. short answer is yes, totally possible. you can love women and yet have sexist beliefs about women. You can utterly hate women as a category, and yet believe that things ought be fair nonetheless. misogyny is 'hatred of women' (terms have real meanings), sexism is f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/24 10:33 PM |
| 1 | If women are allowed to divorce their husbands for wanting paternity test, then this guy is justified in leaving his wife for wanting to look at his phonei go far further than what OP is saying, those are not even remotely close to equivalent. The potential harms involved with being treated as the father of a child that isn't your are so deep that i think women have zero clues or cares about it. it is a betrayal that surpasses that of mere infidelity, tho they are of course related. mere infidelity is a betrayal of some vow or understanding between lovers. being tricked into raising someone else's kid is that plus a potentially lifelong commitmen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/24 10:27 PM |
| 1 | What is supposed to be "fair" about dating?i think OP is using a specific notion of 'fair' that isn't really specified, but that is where the consternation is stemming from. i think folks believe that relationships ought be 'fair' in the sense of mutually reasonable and loving interactions. in sex its 69 not 68 and i owe you one. same is true for amount effort put into a relationship, and for such things as who is initiating things, who is directing the actions in a relationship, who has say over how a relationship ought be, and so on an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/24 10:10 PM |
| 1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.sure it does, it is the entirety of what you and some others here have said. its childish name calling as a means of dismissing what someone says. its not a new tactic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/24 09:08 PM |
| 1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.mmhmm, let's pretend that there are not groups dedicated to dragging 'creepy' people online. but no, not a persecution complex, just calling out the current puritan bs that does do exactly that. call the literal or figurative cops bc someone is in their estimation 'being creepy'. puritans. As for the 'not asking permission before sexually touching strangers', i'm vaguely curious as to if you actually think that that is the entire position i stated, and if so why? or is it just more hyperbolic rh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/24 09:05 PM |
| – | Why do we men have to lie about loving the way she is?what i am saying is that being prego and being a parent are both activities that are active, that burn calories. folks choosing to not do those sorts of things in favor of more sedentary life style choices, desk jobs for instance, are putting themselves in a position that is ripe for weight gain. Obvious being prego does change one's body, but in terms of obesity being an active parent, breast feeding, etc.... all the 'classic' stuff of mothers tending to young children does tend to actually red… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/24 09:01 PM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.wah? i mean, honestly maybe i missed something in the comments, there were a lot of them, but i don't recall hardly anyone even making an argument, let alone 'proving something i said to be factually wrong'. so like, what are you referring to? as to your naivete in thinking that people clown each other because they 'meritoriously deserve it', i stand on that point. I expect insults and ridicule from the puritans, its what they do after all. but just in terms of internet interactions, people oft … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/24 07:27 PM |
| 1 | UC San Diego scrubs sexist girl-only Summer STEM programme after Prof Mark Perrythe notion of specifically targeting groups is to have programs that reach out to people where they tend to be at. its a bit crudely put, but consider like a program that targets boys to bring them into STEM (or whatever really) is going to reach out to them at school sporting events, if towards girls its the dance squad or whatever, with messaging that is catered toward them, towards what they are likely to respond positively too. it isn't about, say, targeting specific groups while ignoring ot… | /r/MensRights | 28/08/24 07:22 PM |
| 3 | 2019 Harris On The Criminal And Prison Justice Systemvery true. gated communities protect white women's tears. i'd say though that the problems are exceedingly focused on women's """"issues"""" more broadly and that has led to pretty horrific consequences in society for poor people and minorities across the board. the women folk need to have a come to jesus moment and recognize that they are the foundation of the problems they purport to be concerned about. imho focusing on the over-policing of communities to 'protect the feelings of women at the … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/24 07:17 PM |
| 4 | 2019 Harris On The Criminal And Prison Justice Systempretty sure that the supposed billionaire who argues for tax cuts to the wealthy is the candidate for the billionaire class. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/24 07:14 PM |
| 0 | 2019 Harris On The Criminal And Prison Justice Systemwhile i agree regarding harris being overall better option, this having far more to do with Labor and environmental issues than anything else, i think focusing on one or a small set of issues for advocacy is appropriate. there is a tendency on the left to be little bitches bout shite, just sitting around complaining that the candidate isn't perfect, or indeed that there are things the candidate is for that you are against, and sometimes that is good. but it doesn't functionally operate well for … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/24 07:12 PM |
| 2 | Aren't 'Not all men' and 'They aren't true feminists' the same bullshit?no, these are not practically or technically the same thing. feminist is a category that folks purposefully identify with, and we can denote either by those who identify with it, or if you'd prefer (which personally i do) by those academics who have written on the topic. so to point to, say, writings on radical feminism which have various called for the segregation of the sexes, the eradication of men in total, or the militant war of attrition against men are part and parcel of what feminism is.… | /r/MensRights | 28/08/24 05:54 AM |
| 1 | Q4RPMen: Would you be in a LTR with a very good looking virgin woman who isn’t sexually attracted to you?this question reminds me strongly of the conservative cuck lords. those folks thinking that they ought attract women by way of their money or prestige rather than, say, the way they treat their lovers, how generous they are in sex, or how loving they may be in their personal lives. none of which need imply anything like simps, tho to the rp cred there is a simp problem out there. but the 1950s hot wife cuck husband fantasy of the rp folk is just like, wow. how cucked can you possibly get. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/24 05:45 AM |
| 3 | UC San Diego scrubs sexist girl-only Summer STEM programme after Prof Mark Perrynot a huge fan of gender specific programs, segregation on the basis of sex is generally pretty lame and counter productive to pretty basic notions of equality. that said, i can understand targeted programs, i'd suggest that they occur within the overarching frame of a program rather than being a totality of a program. in other words, to offer some STEM or STEAM program getting high school students to university is fine, and within that program having means that specifically target selective gro… | /r/MensRights | 28/08/24 04:44 AM |
| 2 | Q4M: Do you find it sexist when people say "Man up!"?sounds like matriarchal nonsense. the sort of thing women and the matriarchy more broadly push on men for their own benefit. if its 'on men' to 'just deal with it' the benefitted party there is women and the matriarchy, clearly. it is also no coincidence that women tend to push this on men en masse whenever push comes to shove, e.g. when dudes say 'nah not gonna man up' the women folk come in force to enforce the point. not suggesting men don't also do work to enforce it, but the main culprits i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/24 04:38 AM |
| 1 | is making your partner pay for (almost) everything, feminism?this is likely correct, unfortunately. i'd suggest folks consider that when people view relationships in a format other than for love, such as for relevant instance viewing a relationship as 'what's good for women' (could be for men, or for queers, or for an individual) you end up in a position that entails doing some kind of shitty cost benefit analysis predicated on whatever metric you are using. Only love avoids this problem. see also here Beliefs In Individualism Fuel Anti-Love Ideologies | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/24 04:23 AM |
| 5 | 2019 Harris On The Criminal And Prison Justice Systemyep, we talking bout the same person. commie camala. elect her with a commie moniker so that she has cover to implement a more socialist agenda. accept the right's criticisms, own the point. moreover, push her to the point. holding that there are things contrary to the aim isn't really relevant. what's relevant is pushing her towards the proper aim. everything else is bs at this point. Edit: The options are: Masturbate into the ocean, or work to shift the parties in a good direction. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/24 04:08 AM |
| 1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.look, you're asking a broader question, and i'll answer it, but understand that OP is about the strong similarities between yes means yes sexual ethic and puritan beliefs about sexual ethics. the only meaningful difference is that puritans held to a marriage contract as the only valid means of showing 'joyful willingness', whereas the yes means yes crowd takes on a Liberal ethic for it such that each individual interaction needs 'enthusiastic consent'. if you went back to speak to 15th century p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/24 03:08 AM |
| 1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.thanks for responding in a reasonable manner. firstly i'm curious as to why you think that it wouldn't be equally applicable to men? So to me i don't see any difference in the following circumstances. a) a dude approaches a chick and asks for consent to do xyz sexualized acts (touching, flirting, kissing, or some sort of full on sexual things). b) later the dude has to ask to do abc sorts of sexualized acts. after all, just because the chick said yes to xyz doesn't mean that she agreed to abc. n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/24 02:28 AM |
| 19 | In the 2024 Democratic Party Platform, the word Women appears 82 times, the word Men, 4 times. In the US, how can we encourage Democrats to focus more and boys and men? https://menandthe2024election.substack.com/p/the-dnc-story-no-ones-talking-aboutHarris On The Criminal And Prison Justice System. not to hammer on the point to hard, but that would be my main suggestion as to what might actually get through to folks on the left. criminal and prison reform are major issues for men. decentering women from them, insofar as the dems may have centered them, and largely focusing actually on the issues that harris herself raises, but as they affect men rather than women, would be a nice gain for men's issues in the dem party. it is also something … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/24 12:48 AM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.omg dude, how naive can you be? if i posted in a space that hated on a concept, they gonna clown. cause they clowns. you are a clown. you don't engage honestly with people. that makes you a clown. do you really think you are behaving in some noble reasonable manner compared to, say, if i posted some liberal simp shit in a mra thread, or a conservative cuck lord stuff in a feminist thread? like, how can you and your be that naive? that ego centric? is it the Liberalism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 05:04 AM |
| 3 | Why do we men have to lie about loving the way she is?so, i agree that insofar as we are speaking of weight gain from pregnancy. but this is clearly not the main issue involved with weight gain as a society. its about eating habits, exercise, trying, depression (perhaps), etc.... point being, while i agree that your claim here is valid, it only applies to a minority of cases, e.g. those cases that are revolving around weight gain caused by pregnancy in particular. america didn't enter into an obesity epidemic because women started getting prego a l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 05:02 AM |
| 0 | Why women, gals don't approach guys?everyone considers this. like, everyone. why did bumble try to encourage women to approach? why is there a trope of men approach women don't? why is there a trope of women receive and men don't? why is it that literally all data on the subject says that men tend to approach and women don't? your style of comment just seems to ignore all reality to say: well, they would if they wanted. or well some women do. or, well, must be something about you. all of which dodge the reality and the question ra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 04:41 AM |
| 1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.yep, wholesome cop outs and insults it is! i expect little else from the witch burner crowd:) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 04:02 AM |
| 1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.i appreciate the response as there isn't any hint of insult within it. thanks. you earned my upvote:) i've loads of people in the comments making that claim, and hear it regularly. it is also embedded within the laws (where they exist) and the NISVS stats on sexual violence. the notion here hinges on the 'enthusiastic' aspect of a 'yes means yes' consent ethic. if you hold that for something to be consensual that it has to be enthusiastic then to simply lack that enthusiasm is for the thing to l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 04:01 AM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.the point of OP is that the yes means yes folks hold the same basic beliefs as the puritans, with a bit of a swap out with a Liberal ethic that favors the individual rather than marriage. I think that folks are used to hearing other sorts of arguments, such that the obvious interpretation is somewhat lost on them. whereas the puritans hold that consent ('joyful willingness' to use their terms) was only had by way of a marriage contract (an affirmative yes to be sexual with someone, ordained by g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 03:47 AM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.since its creepy you ought call the cops or the witch burning mobs to come for me eh? really get the zealot's rage going! yee yee haw! I appreciate the innuendos intended to incite people's sense of moral indignation. do it. as to why i post this sort of stuff, its because i do not agree with the yes means yes point of view, i tend to think that they are kinda not good people actually, who advocate for extrajudicial justice and puritanical notions of how sexuality ought be performed and enforced… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 03:33 AM |
| 1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.have fun burning witches. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 03:27 AM |
| 1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.let's pretend for the moment that we disagree as to what 'yes means yes' means. which i assume we do. simply stating what you believe 'yes means yes' means isn't an argument for the position. its just stating your position. that's what i am saying. I truly appreciate that you are not hurling insults, no sarcasm there. the majority of comments i've seen really are just someone hurling insults. how is it a 'more stringent consent standard'? provide reasons, please, as to how it is a more stringent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 03:25 AM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.i think what you're trying to lean into is more like the no means no ethic. that ethic tends towards for instance the giving of a flower as being a cultural form of 'asking' and the other party accepting the flower as being a cultural form of consent to kiss. or whatever kind of sexual interaction. yes means yes actually tends pretty heavily towards the vocalized yes, something that doesn't have any ambiguity to it. the term 'affirmation' is oft also used by the yes means yes crowd, as in, the '… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 03:11 AM |
| 1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.no, not really. i do understand what you are saying, and i'm sure i've mentioned it elsewhere in these comments, the 'enthusiastic' element of the yes means yes is exactly there to do as you are describing, that is, to deal with the reality that a yes can be coerced in this or that way. however, note that no means no already covers those situations. there isn't anything special about yes means yes as being applicable to those situations. the problems with yes means yes are, well there are many, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 02:36 AM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.NISVS is in america. it is hosted by the CDC. it is the source for all the stats on sexual violence in america that get thrown around, e.g. they say the 1/3 of all women in america will experience some form of sexual violence in their lifetimes. all those stats that speak of huge numbers of sexual violence, all them rely on this 'yes means yes' ethic. if you know people who think that yes means yes defines consent, then you know people who think that folks should go to jail for suxing at sex. th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 02:23 AM |
| 1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.i'd suggest reading other comments on this post, as you'll get the point that such a view is actually what is generally held. i tend towards the view that the distinction between yes means yes folks and no means no folks actually undergirds many of the divisions in the current. it is a liberal ideological stance, OP makes that clear right? it is a derivative of Liberalism, and there are loads of liberals out there, and many a liberal or conservative actually ascribe to this. just for instance, N… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 02:15 AM |
| 1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.when you liked 'enthusiastic' to consent, you are in fact trying to legislate good sex. that is just how that works. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 02:08 AM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.Only yes means yes law in spain, the UN treaty on gendered violence (which has been ratified by several countries), there is some law in canada recently passed, and NISVS in america which isn't a law but which is the source of all the stats folks like throwing around regarding sexual violence. all of these laws and modes of defining sex use yes means yes as a model for consent, meaning that if enthusiastic affirmative vocalized 'yes' is not obtained, then the action is some form of sexual violen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 02:07 AM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.right, like when i post in a feminist thread about an mra topic and they same the same shit, or if i post in a mra thread about some feminist topic. like no one has ever just uses these kinds of rhetorical tactics to dismiss things they don't like. grow up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 02:02 AM |
| 1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.enthusiastic yes. that is what it is. and yes, that is included either explicitly or tacitly with yes means yes. it is included to deal with the problem within that ethical theory of consent that folks can literally say 'yes' and yet not mean it. it is meant to capture the supposed problems of power imbalances, coercion to get someone to say yes, wearing someone down to get them to say yes, etc.... 'enthusiastic' = 'joyful'. yes means yes consent cultists use 'enthusiastic' puritans use the term… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 02:00 AM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.not really. it explains a pretty basic connection between puritan beliefs about sex, Liberalism's ethic of centering the self, and how those inform the yes means yes sexual ethic. it just takes effort to read for folks who are not immediately familiar with the topic, or for whom it doesn't 'click' with their personal beliefs. and people who do not agree with it tend to respond with insults, ridicule, and various rhetorical means of dismissing the argument rather than engaging with it. none of th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 01:57 AM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.i save my sweetest and longest pontifications for those who hurl insults as if they were the language of academics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 01:49 AM |
| 1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.there is something interesting here, thanks for the thoughtful reply, without even a hint of name calling in it. exceptional in this crowd. by 'sinful bad' here i do just mean 'non-consensual' because of course non-consensual sex is bad. i doubt that none are saying no consensual sex can happen outside of that frame. i have listened to many expressly hold that view. many, many people. but i do appreciate what you are saying here. i agree that there is a form of consent that occurs by way of yes … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 01:48 AM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.very believe story. men were just dumb. amazing. how old are you? tell us, how many men are just dumb? all of them? men just too stupid to think, so woman had to do a thing. I mean, i honestly don't even really understand how anyone with a couple of brain cells could take what you're saying seriously. hard to believe, but no, men are not just dumb. no means no was clear and crisp when it was promoted, decades ago. yes means yes developed as a supposed means, firstly in academia, to analyze what … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/08/24 01:39 AM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.i don't really care for the continued claims of unclarity, or poor use of grammar, or whatever. tbh i regularly put in poor use of grammar, mispellings, etc... bc it isn't that important, and if someone is commenting on that, they aren't really reading or responding to the content. ultimately for a post this just means i don't care that much. its a reddit post. get over it. There are quite a few things wrong with yes means yes as a law. the specifics of that actually matter a great deal. 1) it d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 08:50 PM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.im a no means no advocate. that is the proper ethic for consent. enthusiastic yes stuff is superlative goods to be had in sex and are worth advocating for, but they are not about consent, they are about good sex. i don't want to go get too many links, but i can point you in the right direction. The 451 Percenters this is just a link to a reddit post, but it more thoroughly breaks down how those legal and ethical structures pan out. its long. in terms of actual laws and/or ethical standards, you … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 08:33 PM |
| -3 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.any and all laws predicated on the yes means yes model inevitably end up with that in them. luckily there are not many such laws on the books. I am aware of a UN treaty on gendered sexual violence that uses a version of this, but it is only ratified in a handful of countries in europe. there is a law in spain i heard about recently that does something similar (separate from the UN treaty), and there was a law in canada that passed. both those latter two were past recently, as in post 2020. but r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 08:19 PM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.sorry you've had some bad shit happen to you. don't assume you're as rare as you may think you are. I appreciate the note of agreement. on just that point, imo laws that attempt to establish yes means yes laws end up destroying cultures, as much of culture revolves around the complex sexual interplay between people. i tend strongly towards the notion that mutual enthusiasm and joy are good things to aim for in a sexual relationship, but they don't define consent. it defines far more the contexts… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 08:12 PM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.as OP states, even put it in BOLD so that folks might actually read it. good sex is praiseworthy. I support good sex. i support good communication, i advocate for mutual joyful fulfillment as an aim, and so on and so forth. that is not what Yes Means Yes advocate for. they advocate for those principles to be codified into law as if they defined consent. meaning that if you don't do them, you can get hauled away to jail. bad sex doesn't equal lack of consent. as to your point about if your lover … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 07:46 PM |
| -3 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.reading is hard, i know. curious tho, how do you know it is a weird hill to die in if you haven't read it? huh. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 07:41 PM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.my bad, i was also responding to other folks not commenting under this and didn't notice that this was under that specific top comment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 07:39 PM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.i practice good communication, openness in sexuality, yadda yadda yadda. it is good stuff. as OP said, as an ethic for good sex that kind of stuff is praiseworthy. I literally advocate for that shit. as a measure of consent that is horrible. bad sex does not mean no consent. consent violations are severe and ought be treated as such. simply having bad sex with someone ought not land them in jail, or have the various lynch mobs online sent after them (AWDTSG and so called red flag groups). you ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 07:38 PM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.sure it isn't said as an insult. sure. my lying eyes and ears and all that. lmao. people have trouble reading things they do not immediately agree with. that's a fact. its boring. people who say things like 'that hard, you write bad, me no get it' are just expressing the fact that they've been forced to read something they don't agree with. it is hard to do so. it does take time to do so. because when you read something you don't immediately agree with, it doesn't just 'click', and people react … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 07:33 PM |
| -2 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.mmhmm. cool teacher bro. got some more veiled insults to hurl instead of anything like an argument? go on, make your students proud. I believe in you! You can do it! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 07:24 PM |
| -3 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.that is what those laws actually mean. if you don't understand that, that isn't on me. people advocate for and sometimes have succeeded in making these things laws. so no, i am actually arguing against points that people actually make, specifically yes means yes folks. against laws based on yes means yes consent notions, that actually codify these principles into law. meaning that if you don't spark joy in your lover's, if you didn't vocally ask, not cultural cues, not spontaneous joyful lean in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 07:23 PM |
| -1 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.you're not really responding with anything like an argument, or a reason. the main claim isn't that they are 'removing joy' it is that they are basing their notion of 'consensual sex' on a notion that 'sex has to be joyful, and given in some contractual manner between the lovers'. to not have 'joyful sex' would be to be committing a consent violation. meaning you would actually go to jail over it. this is why, for instance, yes means yes folks hold that consent can be revoked after the fact. tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 07:19 PM |
| -5 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.not really. the usual problem with folks who 'can't understand' someone's writing is that they don't agree with it, or it is unfamiliar to them. you'd think you'd know that if you are an english teacher. when reading or speaking to someone who has a different view than you, it creates dissonance in your thought processes. you hear something and it doesn't immediately click, because guess what, it isn't what you believe. this is called learning. really and truly it is. although i personally belie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 07:13 PM |
| 0 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.i explained what yes means yes means pretty clearly in this post. i find folks have a more difficult time reading or comprehending things they don't immediately agree with. i also find such folks to regularly violate rule 2 and resort to personal insults rather than taking the time to read, comprehend, and respond. yes means yes regularly holds to the 'enthusiastic yes' modeling. i didn't 'expand on' the yes means yes notion, that is part of the doctrine. it uses 'enthusiasm of the yes' as a gau… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 07:07 PM |
| -7 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.poor sex isn't lacking in consent. if you actually think that bad sex, like, dang that sex sux deserves to be labeled as 'non-consensual' such that people would get thrown in prison for it, then you are in the yes means yes crowd. good sex, good communication, openness, etc.... these are praiseworthy things. people ought aim for them. they are good to be had in life. i regularly advocate for them. punishing people with prison time for not obtaining them is fucking insane. it is liberal puritanic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 06:58 PM |
| -6 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.that is because you don't take the time to read and process what was said. y'all react to buzz words and preconceived notions with zingers, personal insults, and changing the subject, deliberate misinterpretations, etc... its quite impressive. what i said isnt magically difficult to follow. Its basic history of puritans, look it up if you want, a super basic breakdown of what classic Liberalism is, and an explanation of how yes means yes uses the exact same notions as the puritans did. pretendin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 06:56 PM |
| -4 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.yes means yes is not concerned with consent. they are concerned with 'joy' with the quality of the sex, not its consensualness. but they conflate that joy with consent. they are not the same things. aiming for joy in sex is admirable. i do that. everyone ought do that. it is a superfluous good. i advocate for folks to that regularly. confusing it with consent is a horror show. when you make 'joy' a mandatory element of action on pain of legal threat, jail time, etc... you are just forcing people… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 06:52 PM |
| -10 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.ohh, more zingers from folks with nothing to say to the point. cool. i'm always amazed at how the mods here ignore rule 2 consistently. edit: your students must be so proud of you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 06:48 PM |
| -2 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.mmhmm. cool. like i said. you've nothing really to say to the point. so you change the subject to something else. stay on topic, as per the rules of the space. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 06:46 PM |
| -3 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.i don't need saving. watching folks burn themselves is its own joy. every comment that is but a zinger for a lulz cow is just more reason to dismiss the yes means yes crowd. so zing away. understand, most of the world does not follow a yes means yes model. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 06:45 PM |
| -2 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.in brief, yes means yes is a belief that there has to be a vocalized clear yes for something to be considered consensual. however, this is oft coupled with a requirement that it must also be joyful. simply 'saying yes' isn't enough for consent to obtain, it has to be said with joy. this is oft referred to as the 'enthusiastic yes' model. the businesslike aspect of it is pretty straight forwards. it is using contractual language as a means and mode of sexual interactions. it is saying that one pa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 06:43 PM |
| -11 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.ooh, another fun zinger who claim that they can't read basic english as a means of dismissing something. should i call the preschool teacher in to teach you? or you grown up enough yet to converse in a reasonable manner? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 06:30 PM |
| -2 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.there isn't any real response here. just an attempt to change the subject. no, women were not property. only fanatical people who've never read history believe this. women owned slaves, they owned property, land, they were oft fabulously wealthy, they were not themselves slaves. get hip to the groovy times. yes, women could consent in olden times, but thanks for highlighting how crazed your position really is, e.g. you seem to believe that no woman has ever consented in all of human history. you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 06:28 PM |
| -2 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.is this a joke? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 06:23 PM |
| -16 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.mmhmm.... no offense, but either you didn't read it or you need to work on your reading comprehension. Understand that the claim isn’t that sex ought be mutually joyful, that on its own is a laudable aim. One can hold that sex ought be mutually joyful, without making the ethical error of thinking that if it isn’t it is ‘non-willing’ or ‘non-consensual’ or ‘sinful’. " I even bolded it in the OP so that folks could easily recognize it. But also: "Sex positivism promotes good communication as a mea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 06:22 PM |
| -2 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.mmhmm, no response to the actual content, just some silly joke. if you think there is something wrong with what OP said, show it. should be easy, right? i mean, if it is such a poor take or whatever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 06:11 PM |
| -3 | 'Yes means yes’ is liberal nonsense and a puritanical sexual fantasy. Puritans were witch burners, so are the yes means yes folks.oh cool, the lulz cows who have yet to learn how to read have arrived! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/24 06:10 PM |
| 3 | Gender Specific Laws in Spain Backfireone fun example of many laws that directly target men. any yes means yes law is by design racist and sexist. for one thing, such laws define sexual offense by way of feelings rather than actions, as in 'i felt threatened' rather than 'they did thus and such threatening thing'. this difference means that it is essentially impossible to disprove, 'i felt threatened' what you gonna say in response to that? ok, you are hysterical tho. in practice this means that minorities and the poor will be targe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/24 05:01 PM |
| 1 | Victims urged to share experiences of court delays in new survey - Victims Commissioner: It is UK government policy to support boys and men who are victims of domestic violence. Your voice is important.worth doing for anyone who qualifies, regardless of how effective it may be, or if there is any trick here. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/24 12:17 AM |
| 12 | False DV, suspended without pay, trying to take our 50/50 custody away, acs case, please help!you should sue for full custody and use the false allegations she made against you as well as her maltreatment of the children as the reason for doing so. imma just assume here that everything you are saying is true. she is an unfit mother. she will harm the kids, because she has already harmed the kids by the way she places them in the center of your fights, making you out to be 'the bad guy' and the way that she has repeatedly kidnapped the kids from you (custodial interference). to her, the k… | /r/MensRights | 23/08/24 11:26 PM |
| 4 | False Accusations and Zero Evidence/Corroboration Convictions: Why Less Evidence is Moreanother way of understanding the 'small percentage of false accusations' point is that they are referring to cases that have been filtered through police processes and legal systems to the point that they are eventually filtered out. a prosecutor isn't going to take a case that isn't good, police are not going to investigate a case that sounds stupid, and people are not going to go to the police at all with accusations that they themselves think are weak. all of these filter accusations so that … | /r/MensRights | 23/08/24 11:19 PM |
| 22 | While Harris is better than Trump, she is no male advocate nor progressivei don't really understand the supposition that the dems are 'worse on unions' or indeed, are not great on unions at this point. unions are sure happy with the dems. they're far more pro union than they or either party has been at least since regan, and tbh i don't think we've seen a pro union sentiment like this since FDR. seems like something to actively support and grow, not disparage. i like that the teamsters are pushing unions in the reb party, bc both parties ought be fighting to be the be… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/08/24 10:13 PM |
| 1 | Why does it seem many Mainstreams dating apps like Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, paint themselves as "Progressive" and "Female Friendly" yet make most of their money from a large Male audience?for dating apps, fundamentally this stems for women not initiating on a par with men. you can't present men as something to women that they ought seek out, because women won't seek out. even tho they want it. they resign themselves to a passive role rather than an active one. men are always the target audience for this reason. they are trying to attract men to the apps, and succeeding. they present themselves as if there are women there, and i mean, there are some, but women are not who they are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/24 10:03 PM |
| 9 | FD Signifier showing his susceptibility to misinformation and support for abusersBears repeating, many times. There is no rational agency at play here, no dig at FD per se. when it comes to things like racism and sexism, the hatred is the primary source. the hatred is what motivates, it is what justifies them, it is what makes it make sense to them. all other aspects of the discourse are post hoc and ad hoc to that foundational truth for them. they utterly hate men first and foremost. just like an anti-black racist utterly hates blacks first and foremost. nothing that follow… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/08/24 08:28 PM |
| 1 | Do men actually kill way more women in domestic violence, than vice versa?i'd be concerned about the stats. not a lot of detail given there, but self-defense claims can mask the number of murder women do to men. its unclear if those stats include the number of people killed in self defense (it uses 'murder' to describe the deaths at one point, and then 'killings' at another. and it doesn't provide any indication one way or another as to if all deaths were counted, or just some selection of them. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/24 04:34 AM |
| 2 | Doug Emhoff, Tim Walz Speak to Men Who Are Not ‘Testosterone Laden’note how this is a counterpoint to the talk from righty tighties about the power of testosterone, alpha male yadda yadda. point being, they hate you. as a dude, whatever your testosterone level, there is someone out there that hates you for it. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/24 04:04 AM |
| 3 | Unsubstantiated allegation is enough to ruin your life, women who do this are seen as heroes - the Shitty Media Men list"In October 2018, writer Stephen Elliott) sued Donegan for defamation over his inclusion in the list.\3]) The lawsuit was settled in March 2023, with Elliott receiving a six-figure settlement from Donegan.\4])" the thing to note is that these sorts of behavior are highly illegal. The AWDTSG groups and the so called 'red flag' groups are all the same kinds of criminal groups, and could be gone after by anyone who has been targeted by them. https://onlineharassmentfieldmanual.pen.org/online-harass… | /r/MensRights | 23/08/24 04:01 AM |
| 1 | "Women might be pickier, but their preferences are also unique to each one of them", actually they're rather similarI suspect this does depend a bit on the exact crowd, but within that crowd type you're going to get the same basic phenomena. a gentle explanation for this is simply that women fail to approach, bc they are cowards of love. hence, only a small percentage of women approach at all, and that group is going to have a specific trait associated with them that other women don't have, bravery in love. that bravery means that they go after 'the type' for that crowd. hence, and if you think about it this … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/24 11:09 PM |
| 1 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.if you haven't seen the reshaping on the left, you aren't paying attention. but in brief they have moved to the left, towards progressives, unions in particular, and they have largely absorbed the green party entirely, meaning that what used to be known as 'green party issues' are now more or less dem party platform pieces and policy norms. worth noting that as far as mens issues go union issues are big men's issues as they do still tend to be the one's that work outside the home more. the quote… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/24 11:02 PM |
| 1 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.I think you're not really responding to the reality that in 2016 we leftists threw a trump shaped brick to destroy american empire and reshape the parties. we did what you and yours are being more or less asked to finish up on. trump to his credit took out a sicko bunch in the republican party, good for him for doing so. but what is being replaced there is not good, and trump gotta go down for folks to rebuild. you are yours have a choice here. you can attach yourself to trump as he goes down an… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/24 10:06 PM |
| 1 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.its more like the following; there is no nascent men's issues force on the left. win or lose it makes no difference for men's issues on the left. if trump wins, or the right wins here or there, the left still gonna be packed with feministas. that isn't going to change for those reasons at any rate. if the right wins, they are not winning on men's issues, they are not pushing men's issues, they are not even really talking much about men's issues, because they are dominated by trump. but there are… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/24 09:41 PM |
| 2 | How Society is Pushing Men Toward Toxic Conservative Values and How AWDTSG is Accelerating Itin a word, yes. people regularly have spoken of increased suicidal ideation due to these groups, and folks have regularly spoken of outright violent vigilante justice in those groups as a result of those groups' rhetoric. it isn't difficult to see why either. if someone is claiming so and so raped them and rather than going to the police they go to these groups, some folks are going to at least talk about if not actually go after that person. same for things less serious than rape. and folks tha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/24 09:34 PM |
| 1 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.currently i am pushing the notion that the right needs to go down for a variety of reasons, and to be fair i'd likely push that regardless of the following, but i do find the following to be potentially hopeful. i do pay attention to what the righty tighties are saying, and there is an actual nascent men's issues political force on the right. currently it has no oxygen, what with trad cons and fascism playing themselves out over there atm. but, if trump goes down, or as is the case in the UK for… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/24 09:25 PM |
| 8 | There is a trio that are detrimental to men issues. I call the trio, the Unholy Trinity.Thanks for sharing. OP is describing one throughline in history, the basic 'men need to help poor downtrodden women'. its an important thing for folks interested in gender theory to really recognize, as it is one of the dynamic elements that occur between the sexes that broadly defines the power structures inherent in the heteronormative complex. men and women each benefit from this in distinctive ways. Men get to 'be the heroes' gain praise, sexual access, fame, fortune, etc... while women reap… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/24 09:15 PM |
| 3 | How to respond to “who set that system up?”?You can direct them to this post here, which provides some guidance on books that counter the broad 'patriarchy' narrative. there is also a good comment there that provides counterpoints from a historical level. In addition, there are some pretty straightforwards counter arguments. Most of human history is dominated by aristocracies, royalty set those systems up. this included men, women, and queers. That covers literally like 90%+ of human history. Women and queer people wielded tremendous powe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/24 07:53 PM |
| 8 | How to respond to “who set that system up?”?hadn't thought of that, thanks for sharing. looked it up, here are the penalties for not registering. "If required to register with Selective Service, failure to register is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or 5 years imprisonment. Also, a person who knowingly counsels, aids, or abets another to fail to comply with the registration requirement is subject to the same penalties. Unless a man provides proof that he is exempt from the registration requirement, his failure to regis… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/24 07:40 PM |
| 1 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.not that i am aware of, but i doubt atm that there are any. men's issues are not typically viewed as 'civil rights issues'. men are garbage to be thrown away asap, cause men cause all the problems in the world'. there is an opening here for the torries to push back on this as a civil rights issue, by noting that this will inevitably target minority groups of men, and poor men, and it is a wild government overreach. that it is the 'indefinite war on terror' to which every leftish in the world scr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/24 06:46 PM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.could be, idk for sure. i never watched or liked that show tbh. to me the epitome of third wave feminism are things like the rise of polyamory, the openness in discussion of sex and sexuality online, the access to porn, and the celebration of sexuality in music, lit, and movies. the backlash to that are things like the puritanical dispositions towards sexuality that are 'yes means yes' sexual ethics, the hyperfocus on individualism more broadly as expressed by Liberalism, and the moralizing of s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/24 06:43 PM |
| 1 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.fwiw i have been attacked my whole life by people left right and center for my gender as a dude and as a queer. the flavor changes a bit, but overall people of whatever political persuasion have some reason to hate on me bc im a dude and/or a queer. so i haven't really made gendered concerns about men a significant part of my political leanings, e.g. i lean left for other reasons. for folks on the right or center, i am a menace to society because i am not 'traditional enough', or bc i care about… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/24 06:34 PM |
| 7 | The phase "feminism is for men too" is silly for two reasons.this seems pretty accurate to me. I'd add 'not all feminists' and 'not all women' with a bit of humor to it. but the main thrust here seems to be that for feminist theory, and for the feministas online, there is a real problem of understanding men's issues, and really any non 'women's issues' through the lens of 'what's good for women'. This was and is a serious complaint regarding queer issues too, e.g. for women (feminists and feministas) they may merely grasp at the problems of queer folks by… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/24 06:26 PM |
| 1 | Do you think it's fair for men to be stay at home husbands and women go to work?it is unpaid labor, if y'all wanna have people raise the babies, either pay them or move to a moneyless free labor society. that aside, parentage towards the babies ought be generally 50/50. that is the norm. what ought be the norm. any woman or man telling you otherwise is an ass. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/24 01:33 AM |
| – | Do you actually only find a tiny fraction of men attractive?yep, i recall hearing the same things regarding aids. both from my parents and my siblings. i was still a child at the time (the 80s) but my siblings were in their teens already. it was and still is a major player in the slut brigade. like, safer sex practices grew out of that reality. recall talking with folks in the 90s and early aughts bout all that stuff, developing practices for interpersonal safer sex practices, as well as things like condom use, testing, etc... i also rarely meet the free… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/24 01:16 AM |
| – | Do you actually only find a tiny fraction of men attractive?thanks for that, it's actually really nice to hear a lady echo it. i grew up with free love hippies for parents too. there is a culturally relevant bit here worth noting.... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/24 01:04 AM |
| 6 | Maybe we shouldn't celebrate right wing extremism, maybe men who do misogyny should be disavowed in this sub ?you still talking bout me. bring it if you want dear. but make an argument, make your point, whatever it is. please do. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 12:39 AM |
| 3 | Maybe we shouldn't celebrate right wing extremism, maybe men who do misogyny should be disavowed in this sub ?part of those institutional biases are created by and for women. imma suggest here strongly that you are under the influence of the matriarchy. among the main things to recognize is that we are not dealing with a patriarchy, we are dealing with a heteronormative complex with a significant queer component, as noted here. this means that for folks in power there is both a masculine and a feminine component, and this is harder for people to accept, but also a queer component. power doesnt always re… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 12:37 AM |
| 8 | Maybe we shouldn't celebrate right wing extremism, maybe men who do misogyny should be disavowed in this sub ?that me! you talking bout me! there is much potentially to say here, but the main thrusts are going to be that 'fighting against men in the name of combating misogyny' is just another version of the age old trope 'protect women from the bad men'. which men? why? usually, and i mean, by norm in history, that has meant 'murder masses of men' or at times 'imprison masses of men' or 'crackdown on the neighborhoods of the men we want to target. just in america (but this is a world wide phenomena) exa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/24 12:29 AM |
| – | Do you actually only find a tiny fraction of men attractive?doesnt have to be 100% has to be significantly different in percentages. for an initiator 'fuckable' is like maybe if i am being generous here, 25% going to be 'gonna fuck'. for a receiver 'fuckable' is like a 90% gonna fuck, because they've already surpassed the initial hurdle, namely, the other person already kinda said 'sure, i guess let's give this a go'. I suspect your still holding up on the receiver's role, as if 'it isn't a 100% then maybe not' but that just isn't really the argument. if… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/24 12:00 AM |
| – | Do you actually only find a tiny fraction of men attractive?interesting, my crowd has tended more towards agnostic or true believer; nothing quite like a good true believer for sluttiness;) i don't necessarily think the major split is mainstream v counterculture, but i can see what you are going for with it. there are certainly going to be folks who are more inclined towards some notion of physical attractiveness, and it wouldn't surprise me if that skews towards exactly the athletic ridiculously good looking crowd. but i would disagree on the prudish/sl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 11:50 PM |
| – | Do you actually only find a tiny fraction of men attractive?i put this in another comment in this thread, but i think what you're describing is actually the difference between being a receiver and being an initiator in an interaction. in brief, an initiator sees 'fuckable' as 'imma try and see where this goes'; more permissive because they are initiating a contact in the first place. a yes or no doesn't actually mean 'fuck or pass' for them, its more like 'provisional going to see how this goes'. a receiver sees 'fuckable' as 'imma definitely fuck this p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 11:34 PM |
| – | Do you actually only find a tiny fraction of men attractive?disagree. also see no evidence of it. i do see lots of evidence for there being an interpretive difference, which is likely mostly or completely a result of cultural bits having to do with chicks being receivers of dudes being the initiators. if i am tasked, culturally, with initiating a contact for sexual interaction, when i think 'fuckable' i mean in some literal sense 'i'm going to try for that one'. but technically it isn't that i actually want to fuck them right then and there. its far more… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 11:28 PM |
| – | Do you actually only find a tiny fraction of men attractive?yep, sounds kinda similar. thanks for answering. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 11:16 PM |
| 14 | Why doesn't this sub talk more about male victims of male violence?the main reason they ought not is that male victims of female violence is tabooed. its always fine to talk about male on male violence, just like its always fine to talk about black on black violence. the undergirding problems are the hidden and avoided topics of female on male violence. | /r/MensRights | 20/08/24 11:15 PM |
| – | Do you actually only find a tiny fraction of men attractive?insofar as that may be the case, as in, actually instantly sexually attractive, i'd say that the same is largely true for dudes too. as in, the number of people a dude is legit interested in sexually on an instant level is small, whereas the number of people they might find attractive is quite large. I think there is also a matter of if we are speaking of casual sex, hook up, or long term lovers. but you didn't answer, what are the percentages? i mean, for attractive in the sense of just 'pretty… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 11:07 PM |
| – | Do you actually only find a tiny fraction of men attractive?pretty strong disagree actually. i mean, idk bout rp per se, but i suspect that there is far more an interpretive difference in how people are reading words than an actual thematic difference in how folks react to people. i see a beautiful person, i may think 'fuckable' but that gives no sense of actually wanting to be sexual with them. it is far more an 'all other things being equal, they are physically attractive enough that on that metric alone i could be interested in them'. other folks hear… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 11:04 PM |
| – | Do you actually only find a tiny fraction of men attractive?not really, but i do appreciate the notion you are going for. i think that is a view, but it is one that predicates itself on the men always 'dtf' notion. i mentioned in another comment on this thread regarding sluttiness, i don't want to write the same shit here. but what i am suggesting is that 'fuckability' is strongly akin to 'physically attractive', and not actually indicative of a desire to fuck them. there are, in other words, boring distinctions of grammar rather than anything of substan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 10:57 PM |
| – | Do you actually only find a tiny fraction of men attractive?i feel like we're saying similar things actually. what i mean by 'fuckable' is aesthetically pleasing. i think that is what folks refer to in general when they say things like 'attractive'. all other things being equal, or all other factors removed from the situation, on looks alone is the person 'fuckable'. but, there is perhaps a difference idk. i'm a proponent of sluttiness, understanding that as exactly a kind of less care for the looks of the person per se, and more towards the notions of h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 10:52 PM |
| 4 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.fwiw, i've an amazing sex life as do my lovers, envy of most people, i'm a sex positivist, i'm a feminist and gender theorist who leans heavily in certain directions, and folks still would call me an incel for voicing views that reflect exactly a sex positivist position. it is not an insult with much authentic meaning to its claim. incel is a claim that folks use to dismiss sex positivists in a bid to present themselves as 'ethically correct' on sex and sexuality. puritans, as i've said over and… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/08/24 10:35 PM |
| – | Do you actually only find a tiny fraction of men attractive?i feel like the instantly sexually attracted isn't what OP is pointing to. tho i may be wrong idk. attractive in the sense of beautiful/handsome. what percentage? and here i'd think that there might be a difference in terms of what folks means in total. like, i think attractive and i might mean 'fuckable' even if i am not exactly 'desirous' of them, bc what i mean by attractive is exactly physically beauty, but just because they are physically beautiful doesn't necessarily mean i'd want to be se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 09:49 PM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.then men wouldn't have withheld the right to vote from women, men would have made beating your wife illegal centuries ago, men would have allowed and welcomed women opening up their own bank accounts, etc mmhmm. you're in the 'i think some unfair things happened in the past, but i've never really read history to discover that unfair things happened across the board' crowd. got it. let's pretend for a moment that indeed there was some travesty done to women historically as a category. this still … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 07:35 PM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.I'm not disinclined to your bolded claim. I'd suggest that the OP expresses the, or at least some, of the relevant philosophical underpinnings of sex negative forth wave feminism. it is certainly at any rate the case that third wave feminism was sex positivist and dealt far more with aggrandizing feminine traits and sexuality, being open about sexuality, and being giving to each other sexually speaking. for more my style fwiw. the central focus on the self as a foundation of loves relationships … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 05:45 PM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.well its worked for men for millennia this is just false, but you are also not providing any sort of argument or evidence for the claim. so its really nothing but a cheap quip this is all adult relationships no, that's maybe all your relationships? normal human relationships don't do cost benefit analysis to determine their worth. again tho, what you said is just a cheap quip. no argument, no evidence provided. we live in capitalism. you need money to survive so everything becomes a business tra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 05:28 PM |
| 1 | Why is it wrong to say that if men are in the mood and women are neutral (but not agaisnt it) they should have sex with their SO?i did, i made the comment, and provided the proper delineation between oughts. they are likely also confusing an ought of obligation with that of an ought of aesthetics, or a superlative ought. its obviously a fairly easy mistake to make. i'd suggest informing all the folks saying there is no ought involved that there is fact is, its called people ought to be good lovers to each other, that includes trying to set the mood, and that means something everyone involved ought do. not just dudes, nor … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 05:03 PM |
| 4 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.all this stuff is actually fairly complicated, because the 'left/right' distinctions are not nuanced. they are gross over-simplifications of things. i think you answer your own first question pretty straightforwardly and correctly. Left wing people do tend to (incorrectly) think that women are disadvantaged. this is why they vote for misandrist policies. I'd say that the problem is a bit deeper than that, as i kinda also think that right wingers think that women are disadvantaged too, which is w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/08/24 04:48 PM |
| -1 | Why is it wrong to say that if men are in the mood and women are neutral (but not agaisnt it) they should have sex with their SO?i still think you're reacting to the 'ought' as if it were an obligatory kind of thing. can/could isn't about making something better, that refers to a situation that merely has a possibility of it happening. can/could is even oft used in a context where you shouldn't do something, meaning it has a connotation of superlative ought not, as in, 'you can go to the store if you want.... but you ought not'. a superlative ought doesn't carry a connotation of having to do, it carries a connotation of i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 04:23 PM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.im a philosopher, that's the problem. i am using language that is very familiar to me, predicate, predicable, etc.... its common in philosophy bc one common and modern of logic is 'predicate logic'. so when i formulate some logical structure its common to use some version of 'predicate' in the formulation. i also tend to use other linguistic constructs and terms that are not super familiar or commonly used by other people. philosophy is my second language, english is my first, latin is my third.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 03:59 PM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.this is mostly true. it is the also the case that in much of the world parents and grandparents, especially mothers and grandmothers, did some degree of 'match making' or 'arranging of marriages', but it wasn't particularly transactional, so much as pragmatic, as most people lived in villages with small populations, limited mate selection, etc.... this is generally true regardless of the country, as the material circumstances were basically similar across cultures. importantly there, it wasn't '… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 03:27 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.I already responded to question. how does this: You don’t think things like mental illness can have a negative impact on someone’s ability to maintain relationships with family and friends?? relate to why therapists ask those questions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 03:23 AM |
| -1 | What Male-to-female Ratio would your ideal Society for you to live in have?this is because men are disproportionately targeted for murder in pretty much all instances of mass violence. not just wars, not just like, soldiers killing each other, but anytime someone needs to be blamed, maimed or murdered, men to the front of the line. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 02:32 AM |
| -4 | Why is it wrong to say that if men are in the mood and women are neutral (but not agaisnt it) they should have sex with their SO?im a fan of the oughts. i think you're reacting to a sense of should that is obligatory, as in they have to do so. its a good sexual practice in general to pleasure your lovers, goes all ways. its not an obligatory ought, it is a superlative ought, meaning that it makes things better in general for everyone involved. i oft refer to these as an aesthetical ought, its in good tastes to do so. it makes for a better lover to do so. i liken it pretty directly to the notion that it's important to make… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 02:24 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.so far no one makes any argument against it tho. just 'me no agree'. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 02:14 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.sure, the data or something, no source, good point. 100% convinced. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 02:12 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.excellent point, you are a master at discussion and debate, a shining example of what it means to be pro commodification of love, compassion, and care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 02:11 AM |
| 10 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.that is how it likely needs to go, the crazies speak so the sane folks can hear what they gots to say and realize how fucking crazed those people really are. the only catch is that we gotta also mitigate the harms they causing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/08/24 01:01 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.what are you talking about? I was responding to this: You don’t think things like mental illness can have a negative impact on someone’s ability to maintain relationships with family and friends?? i responded to your question regarding 'why therapists' in the previous comment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 12:59 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.that's too broad a question. people in general as in the whole world (inherently too broad), people of which culture and time period cause all of history is too broad too. my general view would be that it varies, and at least for some folks is going to depend on what we mean or intend when we speak of love. without being flippant about it here, just for instance, familial love? sexual love? platonic love? religious love? just love in general? and to give a specific example, imho (no scare quotes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 12:56 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.the proper conclusions to draw from that are: therefore cowards choose to be self-lovers, too afraid of being hurt again or for the first time. and therefore folks can minimize their lives by merely being self-lovers. for, mutually predicating one's decisions on the well being of one's lovers is actually potentially more rewarding. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 12:48 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.those the risks, love is living dangerously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 12:44 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.it isn't a question as to if it is always desired, or if there are exceptions, etc.... its a question of how we generally teach people and what are reasonable or good things to predicate a loving relationship on. to predicate a loving relationship on mutually exclusive individuals min/maxing their cost benefit analysis of each other's worth to them is a bad way to go about it in general. to predicate a loving relationship on mutual interdependence between individuals without min/maxing their cos… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 12:43 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.Emotional labour has a pretty well-established meaning, ie, the management of one’s emotions and presentation for the benefit of others. The only debate I can see about it’s meaning is that some people believe the term should only be applied to paid employment (think service industry). i feel like we're talking past each other. this is what i said emotional labor is, with the only additional caveat to it that it is principally concerned with the expressing of one's emotions, rather than the supp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 12:35 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.what is "valid predicable for a loving relationship'" predicable, capable of being predicated upon, based on founded. I'm saying what you're describing isn't something that a loving relationship can be well founded on. folks can found relationships upon such things, like business relationships, or roommates, something like that, but those aren't loving relationships. business transactions don't entail mixing finances. marriages do that. business transactions keep those things separate. you're af… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/24 12:22 AM |
| 2 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.yep, mass violence is oft predicated upon the notion of 'protecting the women folk' across the board. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 07:48 PM |
| 6 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.nah, they just going to get 'the bad guys' for us;) they just gonna weed out the wicked. they are doing you and everyone else a favor when they toss you in prison, or sick the re-education bots on you. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 07:00 PM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.hmm, idk. I get what the link is saying, i just feel like its distorted the meaning from the labor associated with emoting to what would be referred to as emotional abuse, e.g. being forced to manage someone else's emotions. i think it cheapens the reality of emotional abuse by equating with something that even at its worst isn't abusive. it also hangs on the notion that deliberately not expressing one's emotions is the same as deliberately expressing one's emotions. i dont think this is true. f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 06:59 PM |
| 4 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.i tend to view this in the same way i am viewing the right wing's fascistic elements. they gotta show their faces before they can be thrown down. the torries in the uk and their allies have been thrown down. they have a chance now to define themselves in contrast to the fascistic elements on the left. which if they are wise they can use the opportunity to raise the awareness of men's issues, by pointing out exactly how horrible those views are, as being expressed rn by labor. the policies they a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 05:45 PM |
| 8 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.'preventing that ideology' is thought crime territory. how do you prevent it? firstly you note the signs of it, the precursors to it. you develop software to detect if and when someone is likely to 'go down that path' [you have to define 'that path' of course, and that definition will change with the whims of the people defining it]. next, you target them with ads, interventions, and so forth, bombard them with it. that's called reeducation camps, but in the modern age, they just use your comput… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 05:39 PM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.mutual interaction isn't transactional. love isn't particularly transactional. just because there are good aspects of something, benefits that is from doing something, doesn't make it transactional in form. nor need there be suffering involved to not make it transactional. people have economic brain, monied minds, which makes them think of things in terms of transactions, but there is nothing that suggests that these kinds of relationships are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 05:29 PM |
| 6 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.you ain't getting off that easy, you get thrown in the trash with the rest of us when the government women and men come for us to take out the trash. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 05:26 PM |
| 12 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.they'll target minority groups and the poor first. its just easier to do that way. but yes, it will be your brother, father, and son who they target for death, prison, and/or re-education. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 05:23 PM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.when speaking of loving relationships, we are not mixing these things up. there are non-loving relationships, relationships that are not based on love. but insofar as we are speaking of living relationships, the nature of the relationship is intimately structured exactly by how love is being expressed, and upon what it is predicated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 05:22 PM |
| 3 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.rhetorical flourish. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 05:16 PM |
| 10 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.its always been that way, i mean, 'save the women' as a justification for en masse state sponsored violence. its not new. the nazis did it, the americans did it to the indigenous peoples, japan did it to the americans in wwii and america did to the japanese in the same war, there are thousands of examples of this. it isn't new. it is what they do. you can literally see examples of this from thousands of years ago when folks talk about how they have to protect from the barbarians. protect who? hy… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 05:13 PM |
| 7 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.they halfway there as it is, reddit's overlords amplify misandry and crackdown on misogyny, oft enough to the point where just anti-misandrist talk is viewed with suspicion at the least. i'd say it goes far deeper than free speech concerns too, for similar sorts of reasons. misandry is rampant, oft state sponsored, this is just one more explicit example of it. the fascistic feminsitas are seeking to run their fascistic views from the left, the fascistic masculine counterpart seeks to do so from … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 05:06 PM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.still literally no argument made by you. just some shite talk about me. look, if you think those things are true, then make some kind of argument. explain what marriages were like pre-1970s, and explain how you believe that means what i am saying is incorrect. ideally explain how it relates to the specific claims i am making. a debate forum is not a shit-talking forum. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 04:47 PM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.you teach is dude. the problem is that we currently not only don't teach the proper thing, but we actively teach individualism, both publicly, in schools, in churches, in public discourse, and in private, as in, individually folks tend to pass this bs on in their families. the point being, teach the proper shit, stop pretending you ain't teaching against it too. OP gives a basic outline of the problem, those are things that people actively teach. its a problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 09:18 AM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.being entirely crude to the point, making your lovers orgasm to the point of ecstasy is plenty reason to maintain a relationship. point being, it's not a selfish endeavor, it doesn't just sound well and good, it is well and good. it also isn't really about your individual circumstances. indeed, the main point of the OP is to criticize the individualism as a root of the problem. treating these broader scalar problems as if they were merely a matter of individualistic concern is exactly the critic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 08:50 AM |
| 12 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.true, actually. the reality is that much of criticisms are stemming from folks who have actually read the material, to one degree or another, and moreover, who have accepted the premises, to some extent. few are the reactionaries against feminism. legions are those who are responding in a thoughtful manner, utilizing the tools they themselves provided, here no shame to the point, and criticizing them within their own framework. wouldn't it be a thing if, after all, the nascent masculine movement… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 08:40 AM |
| 36 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.Just so we are clear here, the folks over at r/WomenInNews are cheering this as some kind of extreme right wing victory where they can murder as many men as they want now, with as much government sanctions as they desire. Extreme misogyny to be treated as terrorism under UK government plans : r/WomenInNews i've said over and over again, that feminism is not a leftwing movement. it isn't a rightwing movement. it is a 'women's first movement'. they will murder you with smiles on their faces for do… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 08:15 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.im like, 45 years old. between the x'ers and mils. i learned from my parents, more or less. i wouldn't want to put all this on them, but some of it, sure. point being, it's an intergenerational slough. you fight the fight, you know you are going to lose. but you do it anyway, because in the war, even that loss can mean the difference between defeat and victory in a positive way;) there isn't a 'reaction against' so much as a 'what did we teach y'all'? hmm? what matters now, given what was taught… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 07:49 AM |
| 7 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.thanks | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 07:43 AM |
| 1 | A Male feministi keep telling y'all, they are puritans. hyper conservatives. they overly moralize sexuality. if i can be as blunt as can be, on gendered issues, feminists are extremely conservative. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/24 07:38 AM |
| 43 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.they will, cause of course they will. that is what they do. its not a big mystery. when they target a given community, the more marginalized in that community take the brunt of it. they are the most vulnerable in the sense of the most easily targeted with the fewest repercussions. which, understand, describes men more generally. men are disposable, we are garbage to them at best. at worst we are toxic. they hate you first and foremost. there are solutions, and in this case OP linked the relevant… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 07:17 AM |
| 24 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.never give in to the terroist rhetoric. its a fungible ball of crap that you can toss anything into that you want. oppose the notion entirely. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 07:11 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.emotional labor is a technical term. it means expressing emotions for the purposes of labor. in an interpersonal context, it refers to expressing the emotions required for an interpersonal relationship. tame examples of this are smiling for customers during work, or smiling as a means of showing affection towards one's lover(s). in the interpersonal context, the notion is more like that expressing emotions is an integral part of a relationship, so the expressing of emotions if a kind of labor th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 07:05 AM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.the goal is to help them overcome it. love isn't restricted to the immediate interpersonal relationships, nor for those between sexual lovers. the hurdle is the aim. jump it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 06:55 AM |
| 28 | Misogyny is terrorism, so says the misandrists.not at all to suggest that it isn't true. link to the article please. for sure tho, that is how it tends to play out. 'see something, say something'. turn the populus on itself. literally in the past forcing teachers to report innocuous behavior has been a way of enforcing this sort of 'war on terror' bs. such is going to be among the more difficult problems for the left to deal with too. because we do tend to be on the side that would hold for some version of statism. not that we have to, but t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 06:53 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.fair enough, thanks for contributing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 06:28 AM |
| 1 | Australian education system (80% female) continues its sexist antimale trend, 2024 NAPLAN results showing female students outperformed male students in literacy across every age group. Teachers' response? All good!this is ok, because illiteracy is correlated with violence. hence, over time, as they make boys less literate, they will become more violent, until at some point that violence makes them rethink their stance. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/24 06:13 AM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.being in power doesn't directly relate to what people are talking about. tho im going to hold that love is a wonderfully rational and reasonable thing to talk about for a wide variety of reasons. being 'in power' is about who is talking about stuff not just that people are talking about stuff. there can be some relationship between those, as in if many people are speaking about such and thus, that can have power. but generally speaking the concern is far more about the specifics of who is speaki… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 05:26 AM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.this is a pretty odd take in a few ways. rationality has generally been in power for a long while now. this argument may have been valid say, a hundred and fifty years ago, but the abject negation of emotional aspects has been a centerpiece for a long while now. the world we live in is in no small part a product of that. that same movement specifically centered the individual, selfishness, and blatantly tried to negate ethics and emotions and really anything aside from that as being 'none-sense'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 05:06 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.true. i'd add in addendum to what i said, that what i am describing isn't necessarily 'how most people use them', so much as 'how an individualist is committed to using them'. and there are plenty of individualists out there, of a variety of flavors even. Liberalism as a concept is out there, and is present not only with neo-liberalism (left leaning folks) but also neo-conservatives (right leaning folks). as an ethic, Liberalism, which posits as an ethical grounding the individual, is committed … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 04:58 AM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.i don't really understand this comment. what op describes is pretty straightforward individualism. not exactly a controversial statement. the controversy comes in regards to if we are to take individualism as means and mode of love. it is hardly a biological drive, it is something that we've taught, there is a pretty strong record of that too. and it doesn't have anything to do with attraction, it has to do with how and in what ways people choose to love. its pretty simply to choose to love some… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 04:45 AM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.communal decisions making isn't what's being described and rejected here. the mode whereby people make decisions is tho. the mode whereby they love each other is. individuals (not individualists, that is an ethical stance, the former is a statement about people) make decisions based not merely upon their self interests, and insofar as they do, they are making poor decisions by and large. more to the point tho, love simply isn't self-centered. it is a relational property that occurs between peopl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 04:42 AM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.this is a true and based point for sure. friends do something similar. this is among the things OP means by outsourcing one's intimacy to professionals. its a kind of cowardice to, as in, it takes some measure of courage to be vulnerable with one's lovers. be those lovers sexual lovers, and friends. much easy to just pay someone and forget. folks should just talk to a.i. and have sex dolls for their physical pleasure, that is the final solution for the individualists (edgy pun intended). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 04:39 AM |
| 5 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.this doesn't really seem like a disagreement with anything OP said, so much as a personal statement about what you like. OP is speaking towards broader issues than your personal desires, and your personal desires are not indicative of what ought be done on a broader scalar. the questions are far more 'ought we be teaching people self-centered love, what are the problems that arise from it, why are people so divisive, is it related to teaching them self-centered love, etc....' not 'well i want la… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 04:33 AM |
| 3 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.this just sounds like you want a roommate, or you want to live alone. which is maybe fine, but it isn't a valid predicable for a loving relationship. it is the predicable for a business arrangement between you and someone else that you want to do some kind of transaction with. maybe you are trying to mitigate that some with the 'i'll do my best' notion, and it is true that at the end of the day it is his and your responsibility, but the point really is that Love as concept upon which we are goin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 04:28 AM |
| 0 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.i think that folks use therapy speak and claims of mental illness and so forth to avoid any responsibility in their relationships, and i think this stems from their reliance on self-love as a primary construct within which they understand loving relationship at all. in other words, they take normal relationship stuff, like being there for each other, and say that 'being there for others doesn't spark joy in my life, so i am going to pay someone else to do that for my relationships'. this is not … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 04:13 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.idk, i don't even think there is a way to really know for sure. what i do know is that i hear it used that way a lot, especially in online discourse, but also ive seen it play out that way plenty irl. attacking people with 'therapy speak' is a real sort of thing. and its not hard to see why it might be common. it enables folks to get out of being responsible for others in any meaningful way. if i can dismiss your pain as you needing therapy, that means i don't have to do the work of helping you … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 04:09 AM |
| 5 | Do the LGBTQIA+ community and BLM have an equivalent to patriarchy at their core?more or less no, they don't. tho idk that blm is exactly an equivalent to the others? racial studies maybe? racism as a concept isn't dependent upon 'white supremacy'. there plenty of racists who are not white. there is an american bias towards specifically white supremacy as a concern. and it is a concern don't get me wrong. but for instance there are plenty of racists in south east asia who are racist against other south east asian people, or against europeans, or americans, etc.... point bein… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/24 03:56 AM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.perhaps not teaching them to prize selfishness and self-centeredness would go a ways towards that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 03:45 AM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.love is a voluntary exercise that isn't predicated upon the self. any love predicated on the self is just a coercive fight between selfish people trying to maximize their benefits from a relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 03:44 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.you did say that. I think what i mean is that what i am describing is how those terms are used more generally, and from whence they are derived. by how those terms are used, i don't mean by me per se. emotional labor has a meaning to it, for instance, that we can look up. and then there are ways that other people use that term, which i am describing as individualists who use it more as cudgel in a fight to exactly avoid having to do emotional labor. But I doubt a lot of people mean it when they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 03:36 AM |
| 3 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.i appreciate the hearing any positive responses, thanks. its all a bit more complicated than 'male v female'. most marriages were arranged in some sense or another, pretty much everywhere in the world. generally by the parents or grandparents. this was true for both women and men of course. every arranged marriage is one that is so arranged for both the men and women involved. the reasons were almost entirely pragmatic; small mate selection, concerns for security in life generally speaking (not … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 03:24 AM |
| 4 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.love is a voluntary interaction, not transaction. a transaction is a strange business like mode of thinking about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 02:58 AM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.no one suggested lack of choice. where do you see this in anything that has been said? as for dependence, oh my yes. mutual or interdependence. that is a relationship. you don't avoid this either by depending on strangers to do things because you pay them. the only difference is what could've been done for free, with love and joy, is done for money, with dourness and sadness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 02:51 AM |
| 4 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.no.... transactional love relationships occurred among the aristocracies in most countries. they did not occur outside of the context, for the most part at any rate. we hear about those because they were quite scandalous in their own right, as the norm was actually to marry with love in mind, more or less. it is complicated as mate selection was far more sparce, so there oft was a sense of pragmatics involved in selection, but it had nothing to do with power or money. poor people historically ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 02:49 AM |
| 4 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.Also, Throughout human history people did not really love one another outside of blood relationships, and even that may be stretch what? look, uh, i like recommending this series of books 'The Nature Of Love', it is a historical analysis of love in the 'western tradition'. I hardly even know where to begin responding to that. Like, there are texts from literally thousands of years ago that speak of people loving each other beyond blood relations. there are religious traditions, philosophical tra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 02:12 AM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.not your therapist. this seems to be a zombie like response from people. op expressly states that: Note this isn’t to say that there are no roles for, say, therapists, it is to expressly say that it’s bad to remove the intimate levels of interactions in a relationship in favor of paying someone to do it. there are roles for professionals. they do exist. you don't have to treat mental illness yourself. that is not what OP says. the rest of these seem like they aren't really addressing the point a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 02:01 AM |
| 5 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.yep, so tru. shit talk, the recourse of the lame. im an incel freak who never saw another human in their life or something. and claims that people ought love each other is like, super confused. tell us, where does the self-love cult meet? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 01:37 AM |
| 5 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.no one suggests that relationships are a substitute for dealing with actual mental illness. this seems to be some kind of zombie response from folks whenever someone mentions that people ought love each other. 'yOu MeAn prEtEnD yOu'Re a tHERapist? MenTAL ILLneSs iS ReAl' the claim is pretty directly that normal human intimacy, mutually helping each other, mutual love, is attempting to be replaced by professionals. its far, far more than therapists too. there are self-help gurus a plenty, relatio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 01:36 AM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.conflation. nah, i don't think so, but i do admit that this is a far petty response, so thanks for that. what you're describing is the commodification of normal healthy relationship behavior, as in, its 'perfectly normal for people to just casually go to see a therapist. everyone needs therapy!' what you're ascribing as being a normal human thing to do is what normal human relationships are there to do. you are describing rather well what the OP is saying is the case; that people commodify norma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 01:27 AM |
| 6 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.i am saying that loving yourself as a primary mode of love's expressions is a direct outgrowth of individualism. its twin outgrowth is the commodification of love's expressions, whereby what ought be of love as a mutual expression between lovers, becomes a thing you buy. the former stems from Liberalism, the philosophy, whereby the ethics are supposed to stem from 'individuals'. the concept of 'self-love' as being important is just an outgrowth of that commitment. the latter stems from capitalis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 01:13 AM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.we might expand on that some, like mutual help, mutual givingness, mutual kindness, and so forth. insofar as those faulter, when something requires other sorts of means to address, then we might seek out the pros. the problems in the current very much are stemming from folks' having a go to disposition to call the pro, like relationships need some fixer to come in and 'make it right'. relationships are not 'correct or incorrect', as hard as that seems to be for people to accept. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 01:02 AM |
| 3 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.no one said everything is to be had from one person. folks ought have friends and family, including lovers whom treat each other in a loving manner. this seems to be one of many 'go to notions' that individualists have, which aren't really relevant to what's being discussed. OP points not to putting everything on one person, but rather, the harms that come by removing intimacy from relationships and putting them onto 'professionals', and the attitude that underpins it as an ill, individualism, w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 12:24 AM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.yeah, i think that's a good point too. no one really argues that if someone is threatening suicide, or some other actual mental health problem that their lover(s) ought just handle it. the arguments are about the non-obvious mental health problems that arise in relationships. the individualists argue that they actually ought not be responsible for them. they 'aren't their parent' and 'they aren't responsible for their well being' are pretty expressly given claims by individualists. the belief be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 12:07 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.that seems like a fair point. i'd maybe modify a bit by saying that it sounds like a rich person's sort of solution in general. as in 'why would i have to be responsible for the well being of my own relationships? can't i just pay someone else to do it for me?' | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 12:03 AM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.i don't think so. i am rather expressly saying that that is what folks in general are doing tho, that is, proclaiming that all issues of relationships are to be dealt with by a professional. a therapist was about dealing with people who have some kind of actual mental healthcare issue. people these days have 'relationship coaches', there are advocates for 'everyone needs therapy', there are 'relationship therapists', a million 'self-help gurus' and relationship advise people. folks condemn peopl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/24 12:01 AM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.firstly, no one on reddit is asking you to do anything. its a discussion, or a debate, not a request. you're supposed to respond to ideas, and not take the things as if someone is directly asking you to personally do something. saying 'no thanks, me no want to' tho is the kind of response ive come to expect from individualist, e.g. for them its just literally and figuratively about them. secondly, the concept of emotional labor is the displaying your own emotions in some specific manner for a jo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 11:52 PM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.broad agreement, let me suggest that OP's diagnosing of the problem is a mode to achieve such. Love properly speaking is a thing that occurs between people; it is a relational property, not one that is properly or primarily centered in the self. i'm happy to dig into it with folks, there are philosophical underpinnings here of Liberalism and capitalism, each of which center the self as a matter of ethics. i'd likely take some issue with the 'emotional labor' aspect, as i think it deserves greate… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 10:50 PM |
| 5 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.it is a good quote. I appreciate the lauryn hill song inspired by it: Lauryn Hill - Tell Him OP's point is exactly to posit that 'what is it with people these days' is this individualism, the position that one ought or have to predicated love on their self, and the related notions of capitalism which holds that we can and ought outsource as much as possible for someone else to do. as i'm fond of saying, loves many bloomings are relational properties, they do not adhere themselves within the self… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 10:44 PM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.this seems to be missing the point. when do we determine that your lover (not business partner) needs some kind of outside support? the individualist and the capitalist sees that real quick like. their tolerance level isn't yet on a mature level of seeing other people as full human beings after all. they are products not people, whom are usable and disposable as needed. for them that point of 'gosh hun, sorry, you gots to go get that elsewhere' is as soon as they aren't 'loving being there for t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 10:32 PM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.codependence is a real thing, but it is a malady, an aberration, not something that defines interdependence, or mutually loving relationships. i agree that these do tend to get confused, as with many things. people take what may be legit medical terms, in this case a mental health term 'codependence' and pretend they are doctors of the topic who can diagnose others and themselves with it. hypochondriacs:) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 10:22 PM |
| 0 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.true, you can rent out a bunch of lovers for an orgy with money, and when you need some emotional support, you can hire someone for that too! you might even come to believe that those folks you hiring actually care bout you. but if not, that's ok too! you just using them anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 10:20 PM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.recognizing that your lover isn't your partner would be a good start. partners are for financial arrangements, lovers are for passionate relationships. OP expressly states that: Note this isn’t to say that there are no roles for, say, therapists, it is to expressly say that it’s bad to remove the intimate levels of interactions in a relationship in favor of paying someone to do it. folks regularly use and abuse this point to pretend that there is nothing else going on. as if folks are just sayin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 10:01 PM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.you say 'obviously' and yet there are hoards of people who don't view that as obvious, and who exactly argue for outsourcing intimacy between lovers. who exactly do that. I think I mean people are talking about stuff like threatening suicide to your partner all the time. i do not see people meaning that, not at all actually. I think folks gravitate to that as a defense of the individualist's position, that what they really mean is like, serious mental illness or something. but that is just a way… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 09:56 PM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.i'm not speaking of what personally motivates therapists to ask that, i speaking of the reasons that therapists are forced to ask that, e.g. so many people fail to have those kinds of networks in place, exactly for the stated reasons. individualist tendencies and capitalistic fantasies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 09:48 PM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.hmm, second time i've heard this. its a practice adopted in academics to segregate between what the author has said, and what the author is saying to you. it is a means too for an author to speak about their own work, in much the same way as someone else would speak of it. when i say 'op says' i am referring to 'original post' not 'original poster' of said post. i've taken it to mean either Original Poster or Original Post on reddit, with the context providing the means of distinction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 09:46 PM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.no one said they ought be someone's 'everything', op is pointing to the bits and pieces of intimacy in a relationship. the loving interactions that occur, which amount to things like giving emotional support, being there for each other, and so forth. that is being the 'best version of yourself'. to outsource that to others is to exactly not be there for them. you enter into some kind of shallow business like relationship with them, a 'partner' rather than a lover. more akin to a roommate. don't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 09:10 PM |
| 0 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.OP isn't talking about financial security. OP is speaking to using money and 'rugged individualism' as a standin for emotional security, as a replacement for intimacy with a lover. pretend for the moment that money wasn't a concern. maybe you're rich, maybe we live in a moneyless free labor society like we should. but whatever the case may be, the point isn't concerns about your financial security, or your security in living arrangements, or anything of that sort. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 09:07 PM |
| -1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.that may be the case in the sense of how folks might ideally look at them. but the point is more regarding how people misuse those sorts of services. folks very much do do things like 'look, its not my JOB to be your emotional support, that's why we have therapists' or 'its not my JOB to be loving towards you, your just my partner. that's why we have things like social services. go get your love from the state or a private business'. moreover, the point is that much of the gendered relationship … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 09:02 PM |
| 3 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.you're speaking to the point that love is mutual, affection ought be mutually given, and so forth. which is true and consistent with OP's point. i'd go so far as to say part of why folks experience such grave unbalanced relationships is exactly because we train people to be selfish. we teach people that they ought 'love themselves first and foremost'. and we teach people that if there are problems they ought seek out professionals, rather than work on it together. after all, if you must love you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 08:57 PM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.love is scary, when you realize that you are the entirety of what they have, that there is no one else on the offer those kinds of things for them, and that they actually do need, want and desire those things. as to the gendered aspects you are trying to raise, i mean, you make OP's point. that folks predicate much of the divisive discourse 'men do blah, women do wah' on exactly this point. they use exactly these kinds of things to try and make the argument. i don't personally buy into the 'wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 08:43 PM |
| 3 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.i don't mind including that there ought be multiple sources of intimate relationships, friends, extended family, and so forth. but i don't think that detracts from the point meaningfully. the point is far more that the source, or rather, a source, of the divisiveness regarding exactly intimate sexual loving relationships is this underpinning belief regarding individualism, and that the professionals ought just handle it. That is true across the board too. as in, i've heard of plenty of folks who… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 08:37 PM |
| 1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.sure, but ought those jobs replace intimate social relationships? more to OP's point, to what degree are folks really predicating their denigration of others, gendered wise, or relationship wise, sex wise or love wise, on a belief that to 'need others' is a bad thing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 08:33 PM |
| 0 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.chances are really good there is no bright shinny line to point to. and instead, there are just attitudinal dispositions that govern how people interact. but the lacking of a bright line doesn't mean there isn't one. people navigate this all the time. when you kid is sick, you make determinations as to if and when to take them to the doctor. that's pretty normal stuff. when your lover needs emotional support, love, care, kindness, a massage, help, advise, etc... you make a determination. a norma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 08:30 PM |
| 3 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.that curving is curving downward on the good scale. nothing to be proud of in being ahead in that curve. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 08:25 PM |
| 2 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.I don't particularly disagree with most of this. it is a balance, it does need to be mutual. i'd say it will never be a 'equal balance', the world is asymmetrical not symmetrical, and you do need multiple sources for this stuff. but the main point stand i think, that individualists run from that sort of thing, and that underpins much of the discourse on gendered topics, especially as they relate to relationships, sex, and love. there is this Liberalism (philosophical belief, not the political li… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 08:21 PM |
| -1 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.note, the op says explicitly that Note this isn’t to say that there are no roles for, say, therapists, it is to expressly say that it’s bad to remove the intimate levels of interactions in a relationship in favor of paying someone to do it. you're veering into the territory of 'as if the op is saying abolish therapy'. op is saying 'don't abolish intimacy in loving relationships' and that abolitionist movement to do so is predicating itself on an ideology of individualism. i'd go further and just… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 08:10 PM |
| 0 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.exactly. outsource all your relationships to a monetary system. love is scary and requires mutual affection, care, and responsibility. better to work for the boss, earn some fat stacks of cash, and then pay other people to do those things for you. there an older documentary, The Great Happiness Space Tale of an Osaka Love Thief (2006), worth a watch. more or less about how people in the sex worker industry buy and sell love and sex, about both men and women. that's liberalism for you tho! that s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 08:05 PM |
| 5 | Beliefs in individualism fuel anti-love ideology, and predicates relationships on financial transactions. In effect, transmuting love towards commodified transactions.if my lover needs sex, imma call a prostitute! get the pros in there baby. outsource that whole relationship! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/24 07:56 PM |
| 1 | Thoughts on this Twitter thread.that sounds awful, sorry that happened to you. i suspect that unfortunately that isn't a terribly uncommon thing to happen to people. a woman's job to be a man therapist or mother, emotional labor, trauma dumping, blah blah. I love it when women say this. Then what is a woman's job then exactly? To offer her vagina? Arm candy? this does seem to be a nugget around which folks are currently, and unfortunately, centering themselves. it goes along with their disrespect of love by holding that people… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/24 06:35 PM |
| 3 | Responses to married men are more happier.yeah, this seems to be correct, that is, do not trust stats. there is a phenomena called 'statical noise' which essentially means that there are problems with in real life data compared to the pretty numbers that get presented. i've found in particular for these fields of study that measurement error as noted here is particularly bad. there are other forms of statistical noise, but for this sort of stuff there are no standard means of measurement, so the 'random measure' phenomena is highly prev… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/24 05:57 PM |
| 5 | How do you respond intelligently to posts like this?women disproportionally murder their spouses, its just dismissed as 'self-defense'. non-black women freaking out about black men literally gets black men killed. that phenomena doesn't happen to black women, bc they are women. i'd personally hold that that racism works across the board, e.g. black women likely get white men killed for similar kinds of reasons, tho i admit there isn't as well developed stats and theory on that. racism and misandry connect up like that tho. beyond that racism elem… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/08/24 06:52 PM |
| 0 | K Harris perpetuates the '80 cents on the dollar' hoaxuh huh, i understood your text. like i said, idk what more you're want tbh. the 'point' you're making is vanishingly small. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/08/24 06:26 PM |
| 0 | Some research or survey came out saying 45% of men aged 18-25 have never approached a women.A shy young man works up the courage to ask a barista for her number at a coffee shop. So what? She's at work? Big deal, she says no and that's the end of it. the workplace taboo has more to do with coworkers and workplace ethics rather than sexual ethics per se. I don't think there is a big deal necessarily to what you are saying here. but there is room for argument to the point. namely, there are degrees of taboos being discussed, or at least that i am mentioning. and a taboo isn't the same as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/24 04:38 AM |
| 1 | Some research or survey came out saying 45% of men aged 18-25 have never approached a women.those places don't exist so much because of the puritanical push that had been going on. specifically, think like (and we might get one in the comments here) the claim that 'not all women go to bars or clubs to date, hookup, fuck, etc... they made that space no longer be that kind of space by effectively lightly tabooing the practice. by shaming people publicly online for thinking that it was ok to approach people in those places. been going on like that for bout twenty years now, and its had a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/24 03:32 AM |
| 0 | Some research or survey came out saying 45% of men aged 18-25 have never approached a women.i don't personally think there is a big deal to it. having culturally accepted and normed places to do such things is common, normal. having places where it is tabooed to do is also normal. in the currents there are and have been puritanical movements base themselves in 'individual rights' such that they suppose that there is something wrong with being approached in basically any circumstances. the 'yes means yes' folks to be blunt bout it. to me that is the 'big deal' but not in a good way, as … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/24 03:16 AM |
| 0 | Some research or survey came out saying 45% of men aged 18-25 have never approached a women.i tend to approve of the site based approach to dealing with this. its nice to be able to, say, go to work, or the library, or the grocery store, and at least generally not expect to be approach for dating or sex. whereas to go to the bar, club, some nightlife scene, or some fairly neutral setting, like a park or the beach one would expect exactly to get approached for dating or sex, and hence one is informed by going there. i personally would say as a matter of pragmatics tabooing certain place… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/24 02:40 AM |
| 0 | K Harris perpetuates the '80 cents on the dollar' hoax? that quote is directly from the cited article. her campaign acknowledged it at the time, and her platform then didn't use the 'for the same work' formulation. idk what more you'd want tbh. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/08/24 02:34 AM |
| 0 | CMV: women aren't empathetic caring individualsraising babies isn't actually indicative of being particularly nurturing, despite the obvious value of being nurturing for the raising of children. folks are just tasked with doing the raising of the babies regardless as to if they are nurturing. it is a desirable trait for that task, in other words, but simply being tasked with it doesn't entail that there is any measure of the trait therein to be had. that desirability of the nurturing trait for that task, and the somewhat mythical role of the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/24 02:32 AM |
| 22 | This terrible "psychology" video portrays the silent one in an argument as the attacker, and the shouter as the victimPeople go silent because they're being abused, and they're afraid of triggering more abuse. Silent people are still listening to you. They're not ignoring you. They're just hoping the abuse stops, they're hoping that anger and that uncessant unlimited abusive unempathetic energy has an end. true, thanks for sharing. i left a comment on the video there myself making related points: people go silent because the other person is emotionally venting and using you as an emotional snot rag to clean up … | /r/MensRights | 15/08/24 08:10 PM |
| 11 | CMV: women aren't empathetic caring individualsi take OP's point to be more like, 'women as a category are not actually particularly nurturing, caring, etc... contrary to the gendered rhetoric that says they are.' which i tend to agree with. that isn't a claim of women being 'punching bags' it's a counterpoint to the pretty common gendered trope that women so emotionally wise and loving. just isn't true, like many gendered tropes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/24 07:39 PM |
| 7 | K Harris perpetuates the '80 cents on the dollar' hoaxthis is from five years ago, and.... "When we reached out to the Harris campaign, they quickly acknowledged that Harris had misspoken, even after being prodded on the point by Colbert. Spokesman Ian Sams pointed out that Harris’ plan does not use the "for the same work" formulation." in other words, harris acknowledged this five years ago, i think its safe to assume she isn't going to do it again. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/24 07:31 PM |
| 13 | Responses to married men are more happier.the top comments in that thread would be where i would go with it too as a first response, e.g. most studies are bs anyway. but the argument or 'narrative' is likely to persist even if you were to give the response that the study was debunked, explained the whole thing, etc,,, as that is what people tend to do. So, there ought be a response to that rather than the study as such. taking the claim at face value, folks could respond in a few ways: happiness measures are notorious vague and misleadi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/24 06:48 PM |
| 1 | Project 2025 Hires, Incompetence, Criminals, and Unamerican. A Rebuttal To: Project 2025 Private Training Video: Conserving Americathat seems possible tbh. i disagree, but then, that might make for the discussion eh? such is therefore the relevance for the forum is it not? to discuss exactly how a post might be relevant or not to the sub. there is an oddity i mean to say here to the claim as if there is a blanket statement given validity that 'oh, this ain't relevant' or even that 'it is definitively relevant'. begs the question, why? I mean, i presented the possibility that it does have a bit more of a political flair to t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/24 01:27 AM |
| -5 | Do women lose more from divorces than men?the 'just putting up with them' comment is lame. but the potential deservedness of a 50/50 split of assets is not, and she does have a point. this is why a lot of topics surround the finances of the home too, and complaints primarily by women regarding being a stay at home parent and not getting paid for it in any way. the notion is that we need and all do better by having at least one parent stay at home, so that parent deserves some kind of compensation for the labor they are doing. in the 195… | /r/MensRights | 14/08/24 11:54 PM |
| 1 | Why do many men support women’s issues when women don’t care about men’s issues?because its the ethically correct thing to do, pretty much regardless of if women are wise enough to do the ethically correct thing themselves. while i can see the withdrawing of support for women's issues by men as a means of protest against the fact that far too few women are willing to properly address men's issues, just as a matter of individual point of ethics, the proper thing to do is come out for the issues that need to be come out for, regardless of for whom it is for. as a matter of te… | /r/MensRights | 14/08/24 11:46 PM |
| 2 | Got Fired From My Job Cuz of Unfounded Complaintglad that worked out well for you. yes, sometimes it really isn't worth the fight either:) | /r/MensRights | 14/08/24 11:13 PM |
| 1 | Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.that is a common thought. its false tho. women freely harm men, and frequently incite or direct harm towards men by other men. as in, that dude is creepy me no like, so get the police to haul him away and ruin his life. this is something that black folks in particular have pointed out repeatedly to people. a scared white woman is a terrifying thing to a black man. recall central park 'karen' threatening to call the cops over basically nothing. setting aside the racism involved for the moment, th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/08/24 11:12 PM |
| 2 | The Gendered Killing of Men and the Double Standard of itthanks:) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/08/24 11:05 PM |
| 3 | First time I've seen a feminist defend men from another feministstill not a patriarchy, insofar as we are speaking of gendered issues, it is a heteronormative complex with a significant queer component (HCQ). the problem with the r/feminist post there is that while they are correctly disambiguating men as a category of people from that of patriarchy they are not managing to come to terms with the reality that non-men of every stripe have historically harmed people of all stripes, including men. that differentiation between the patriarchy and men per se is a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/08/24 11:04 PM |
| 4 | Anti-Feminists: Stop Using Tragedies to Say Feminists ‘Don’t Care About Important Issues’right, the default ought be 50/50, the fact that it isn't is also why fathers oft don't even bother. its the norm, after all. its what they are taught, much as women are taught that it is a norm. again, the author of that article is so unbelievably blind to this super obvious point to anyone that would be thinking in terms of a gendered analysis of the situation its actually quite incredible. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/24 02:45 AM |
| 3 | "It's not a good time to criticize women-and-children discourse" - the culture of male expendability in the context of the Israel-Gaza warIn fact, now is the time to criticize the women-and-children discourse. Because this discourse promotes a culture of male expendability that is closely linked to militarism and imperialism. Until this discourse is destroyed, wars and the killing of civilians will not stop. tru. I think among the most effective methods of combating actual militarism and war mongering is to start valuing male lives equally. the only other aspect that could likely be on a parr with it in terms of effectiveness towa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/07/24 02:40 AM |
| 3 | Why I can’t call myself a feminist“Women tend to be more emotionally calibrated, social, involved in uplifting their community, well-read, and ambitious than men” honestly the comments like this are so bad that i'd have assumed they were trolls and bsers, but for their seeming popularity within feminist groups. they are the sort of comments and positions we used to make fun of back in the 90s and early aughts as being caricatures of feminist stupidity. like 'surely no thinking person really thinks these kinds of things, right'? … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/24 10:59 PM |
| 1 | Apparently women turn “demisexual” around average menthanks | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/24 08:49 PM |
| 6 | Anti-Feminists: Stop Using Tragedies to Say Feminists ‘Don’t Care About Important Issues’Say you come across a particularly harrowing case of a loving father being denied custody of his children. You point this out to show that courts are biased against men – and point to feminists’ silence on the case to prove that we don’t care about “gender equality” after all. You’re oversimplifying this issue by focusing on the outcome of fathers being treated unfairly in custody cases, without thinking about the causes that explain why this is happening. So if you actually want to address the … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/24 08:11 PM |
| 2 | Apparently women turn “demisexual” around average menidk about average woman and average man, but in slut world the way someone looks doesn't play nearly as big a role. i ain't saying it plays no role whatsoever, but as a general norm the aim is more aligned with mutual sexual fulfillment, and making sure no one feels left out. I'd suspect that folks that aren't particularly slutty behave differently, as they may tend towards a view of sex as a relative rarity. something you give towards that 'special someone', and sure, that hot dude or hot chick… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/24 01:00 AM |
| 2 | From Great Men of History to Great Men are Historyi appreciate the arguments against the notion of singular individuals being entirely responsible for historic event, historically or in the current. however, i think it is somewhat insipid, and i've always been a little surprised at how well the notion has played out in academics. in pop culture, its a no brainer that the idea would play well. it requires very little thought or effort, just base emotive disgust towards something or someone, and a mean-spirited attitude that attempts to tear them… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/24 12:34 AM |
| 2 | Do you think the world would be better for women with no men in it?tend to agree with this take to the op. only pushback i'd give to it is that it undercuts many of that valid talking points op is making, e.g. women bitchin bout men. and to be fair (no shade in that) men bitchin bout women. to me this is one of the bigger blind spots in gender studies, the realities of loves, the imperatives of loves. there are ills that accrue from relationships, but for most folks, really the overwhelming majority of people, exactly having those relationships is pretty critic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/24 04:07 AM |
| 2 | How do we politely debunk the feminist rhetoric that everything is marketed, tailored and geared towards male consumers?this is basically correct, im sure the values vary some. but note that at least since the 50s and possibly earlier advertisers, marketers, and so forth have noted this point, and specifically targeted them. folks ought actually be able to look that up, so i ain't gonna try posting some shite links to it here. its pretty common lore tho in economics, advertising, marketing, etc.... its even been noted in feminist lit as a negative, but is typically overlooked. that is, the 'its a negative' take i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/07/24 03:26 AM |
| 1 | I fully, 100%, believe in a woman's right to choose. I also believe in a man's right to choose. Why is this a crazy take?i've held off on this issue for purely political reasons. gonna do so here too, but make a note of it. there are problems with how choices to have or not have children are being made. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/07/24 03:20 AM |
| 1 | A Four Month Strategy Guide For Lefties And For Folks Interested In Men’s IssuesLosing Trump just means the GOP would have to pivot to another non-politician to weild as a figurehead/scapegoat, one which does not have Trump's problem of uniting opposition against him. partial agreement. there is a dependency upon our more right leaning kin folk, the loyal opposition, to take the opportunity for its worth. folks like us, certainly me i dont want to assume for you i suppose, but folks like LWMA can't do that. it is a leap of faith in part, and in part it is a call for teamwor… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/07/24 03:10 AM |
| 1 | There is a reason why Feminists conveniently never seem to want to discuss Black Men/Boys in any capacity outside of the ridiculous depictions offered by the likes of Bell Hooks and Kimberly Crenshaw, because to do so as an honest actor literally breaks Feminismi hope it is helpful in discussions with others. i think you're summing it up correctly. when you're perpetua victima (perpetual victim) you can justify poor behavior, in your mind at any rate. that sort of justification is common well beyond the issues of feminism, and i don't think we ought toss out all of feminism or gender studies. there does need to be a uh, ideological cleansing tho.... | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/07/24 02:40 AM |
| 6 | A potential response from feminists when the misandry perpetrated by feminists is called outthis is more or less my take too. the key is to recognize that they are operating within a pretty shallow and silly historical narrative of 'women have been oppressed since the dawn of time. poking at that, pointing out the unrealistic nature of it, the over simplified view of history, the reality that women have occupied all the roles of oppressors too, can all be useful. there isn't tho a single or simple refutation that they'll tend to accept, as they are, again, caught up in a lie they've be… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/07/24 09:18 PM |
| 2 | There is a reason why Feminists conveniently never seem to want to discuss Black Men/Boys in any capacity outside of the ridiculous depictions offered by the likes of Bell Hooks and Kimberly Crenshaw, because to do so as an honest actor literally breaks Feminismthat is a good link and info, thanks for sharing it. as someone pointed out a bit ago in reply to your comment on that thread, you can replace ethnicity with sex and that may be effective, but as they also say, their typical retort is 'that is not the same thing', and it isn't, at least not to them, which is why it isn't exactly the best retort. the reason it 'isn't the same' is that to the feministas they've been oppressed since the dawn of time, and there may even be a belief that men are inhe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/07/24 09:07 PM |
| 1 | A Four Month Strategy Guide For Lefties And For Folks Interested In Men’s Issuesit may be, there is also an aim and a move that was made about two decades ago in the academy on this to shift the whole thing from a woman's focused studies, to a gender focus studies. which theoretically ought include men and queers. there has been significant push back, from the feministas and from, well, honestly from a wide variety of sources both within feminism/feminist theory proper, and from leftist spaces and political circles. but i'm a dork so i mostly concern myself with what i can … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/07/24 08:31 PM |
| 1 | A Four Month Strategy Guide For Lefties And For Folks Interested In Men’s Issuesyep, there was a decision to make it a political and leftist politicized thing in the 90s to push certain points. which has had some pretty drastically bad consequences. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/07/24 08:18 PM |
| 1 | A Four Month Strategy Guide For Lefties And For Folks Interested In Men’s IssuesBut I also think the Democrat party is fully incapable of reform, and will not make room for a new organizational structure unless it is thoroughly humiliated and shattered. Otherwise it will continue to function as a heat sink for reformist/revolutionary intent and action, all while denying representation to its voters in favor of the interests of its donors. I actually mostly agree. but this is why trump gotta go down. i ain't really looking at the dems for this at this point at any rate, i'm … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/07/24 08:11 PM |
| 1 | Where do men find community/ belonging?firstly, what you're describing is real. it isn't even just straight dudes or straight white dudes, it is dudes insofar as they (women) decide that they are dudes. to be gay, to their eyes, is to be somewhat less a man, because they are sexist pieces of shit. so they may hang out with they gays, thinking something like 'oh, they ain't real men' so they 'feel safe'. again, because they are sexist pos. Proximity to masculinity is a proximation of villainy for them. they are misandrists through and… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/24 05:32 AM |
| 7 | A Four Month Strategy Guide For Lefties And For Folks Interested In Men’s Issuesgonna keep using feministas, as the alternative is to lump everything together as 'feminists'. but i do appreciate the point your making. there are more than one reason for differentiating between subcategories within a group. I want to provide an out for the feminists that more or less grasp the point, understand that what is being described are problems within feminism, but also not condemning feminism as a whole. i think that to use a term that isn't obviously connected to feminism would miss… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/24 02:40 AM |
| 2 | There is a reason why Feminists conveniently never seem to want to discuss Black Men/Boys in any capacity outside of the ridiculous depictions offered by the likes of Bell Hooks and Kimberly Crenshaw, because to do so as an honest actor literally breaks Feminismi don't mind discussing older posts. have little interests in 'being in the moment of conversion' or 'being relevant'. Plus the internet provides a fine boon of being able to discuss things over an extended period of time in a way that was basically impossible for most people before. I meant that statement as something of a joke, As in he could've done better than the lady he was whistling at (tho her death bed confession was that it was all a lie, that's besides the point). He having been lynch… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/24 10:52 PM |
| 2 | Some men will always have personality traits, beliefs, or aspects to them that will always challenge the status quo of society by default.switch out hermaphrodite for intersexed. I think the point still stand. we are defining sexual orientation as being towards genitals. that being the key point of sexual orientation, as opposed to chromosomes. we aren't sexual with chromosomes, we are sexual with genitals. what's important for sexual orientation is who has what genitals, not who has what chromosomes. hence we end up with the sexual orientations, gay, lesbian, hetero, bi, and inter. again, because we are defining sexual orientatio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/24 02:20 AM |
| 2 | Some men will always have personality traits, beliefs, or aspects to them that will always challenge the status quo of society by default.this does get off OP's topic, but it is something i've also been at least vaguely interested in. i've some sympathies with what you're saying, but i don't think it quite captures the point of why people have proliferated the number of sexual/gender labels. I've not spoken much with someone with your persuasion on the topic, so curious to see how this goes. some of this is going to come off as pedantic or semantic cause its dealing with the meanings of words, so apologies for that. i do tend to a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/07/24 01:00 AM |
| 3 | "May the women of America tip the scales and save democracy."the worst part about this rhetoric is that it is alienating to a large swath of the electorate, maybe especially towards that part of the electorate that we are supposedly supposed to be reaching out to. ain't no dyed in the wool feminist going to be changing their vote one way or another this election. there are however huge swaths of populist geared union folks that are up for grabs. never trumpers who may either suck it up and vote trump, suck it up and sit it out, or suck it up and vote bide… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/24 08:58 PM |
| 11 | Is there actually a manosphere?much like how feminism is used as a catchall phrase. it risks erasing all the differing views within by highlighting whatever the more extreme view therein may be. manosphere becomes 'an incel mass murder machine' and feminism becomes 'the radical feminists seeking to kill all men'. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/24 08:05 PM |
| 0 | Telling men not to treat women as sexual objects and to stop watching porn is just word salad and does not provide any real benefit to mensure it isn't. sure. its hilarious that you blame misogyny as there is literally nothing in what i said that refers to women in particular, nor is anything i said in reference to you as a woman. i said what the definition of sexual objectification is, you can look it up like anyone else. i explained what the classic feminist argument is against sexual objectification. which you can read if you want, but idk if you can exactly look it up. you may be able to use an a.i. to guide you in that these … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/24 07:57 PM |
| 0 | Telling men not to treat women as sexual objects and to stop watching porn is just word salad and does not provide any real benefit to menah yes, another 'big words and concepts are scary, i learned the term word salad that lets me not think and dismiss concepts and big words that are scary so i can feel and think whatever i want by not acknowledging what other people feel, think, or say' kind of comment. but sure. 'word salad' or whatever. read books. I'm correct. that is what sexual objectification means (you can look it up), that is how it was originally used in classic feminist lit (you can maybe look that up via a.i., but it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/24 07:37 PM |
| 6 | The male gender role of being the stoic rock in a romantic relationship is the most pronounced example of emotional labour that exists in life, and those who believe women do more emotional labour on average are either lying or ignorant.this seems closer to correct take to me. i'm reading stuff in this thread and thinking, well firstly thinking i recognize all that in my experiences and from the many dudes i've spoken to over the years, and some women too for that matter. but secondly i'm thinking that isn't exactly what the phrase 'emotional labor' was meant to describe, but it is related. it's more or less the counterpart of a dynamic that is typically being described by the phrase. the phrase was meant to describe pretty spe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/24 07:31 PM |
| 0 | Telling men not to treat women as sexual objects and to stop watching porn is just word salad and does not provide any real benefit to mensure it is. the reasonable objection is to be treated as a whole, as in the whole of one's life, as if they were nothing but a sexual object. that is what actual sexual objectification means. look it up if you don't believe me. that wouldn't be a puritan view, e.g. an overly moralized view of sexuality. cause people ought not be treated as nothing more than a sexual object. but what i am pointing to, and which happens far too often, is people conflate that right and proper moral with a demand th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/24 05:31 PM |
| 1 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of Historycommon practice on reddit from what i've seen. i take it as derivative of a long standing tradition of discussing and author's works as being distinct from the author themselves. Original Post as opposed to Original Poster. but yes, you caught me, i'm a chatgpt bot on a rampage against lame comments. i've been programed to find the lamest comments on this sub and trash them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/24 05:19 PM |
| 1 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of Historylet me respond a second time, cause why not. what i said is consistent with a notion that gender is some meaningful degree a construct of the material conditions within which we find ourselves. a very leftist and even marxist position, tho i wouldn't necessarily hold myself to marxism to make the point. that there is tho some degree of material conditions upon which our socio-cultural understandings are derived is hardly controversial, especially from a leftist standpoint. tho i'd note that if o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/24 05:08 AM |
| 2 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of Historythis seems correct to me. there is an overreach in play that carries forth the notions involved beyond what would otherwise be their proper aims. that is, the technologies of communication involved have allowed the relative continuation of notions that would've otherwise had a relatively temporary appeal to them. once their aims been reached, they continue nonetheless. which is itself an interesting point; to what to aim when aims achieved? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/24 04:42 AM |
| 1 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of Historymy dude, conversation online can be slow affairs; don't needlessly speed them up. let me say that that tortoise like pace is a thing the world may need and is so novel to the mechanics of speech and the reality we are all experiencing as to be outstanding in its applications. if i may, with musical aplomb: I'M On Fire-Matt Andersen and here, let me say a bit out of context but of relevance. when i speak in private to folks, in email threads themselves novel to the times then and now, which have … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/24 04:40 AM |
| – | Expecting women to be the answer to “male loneliness” is futileone: i think that in no small part this division of loves' hugs stems from the initiator receiver dynamic. as in, women receiver hugs while men give them to them. hence, the OP feels the affection they get because it is something that is stemming from outside of themselves, being given freely and lovingly towards them, be that from strangers, friends, or family. whereas for the dudes who also are i assume hugging OP are the ones initiating the hugs in the first place. they give the hugs and henc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/24 02:43 AM |
| 0 | What is the actual issue towards guys dating younger women?tend to agree with this take on things. there is something humorous about DiCaprio, which does speak to a bit of aesthetical ethical kinds of concerns, e.g. merely cultural concerns at best. but not anything of major significance, as in, ethically obligatory kinds of concerns. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/24 01:58 AM |
| 0 | Telling men not to treat women as sexual objects and to stop watching porn is just word salad and does not provide any real benefit to meni don't think so. in my experience there is a belief that being treated 'as a sexual object' in any instance is deemed to be a problem in the whole of it. it is a puritan view. technically sexual objectification is a problem when that is all and only how someone treats someone else, e.g. basically like a sex doll. but in the currents up to recently at any rate, a dude treating women as sexual objects in any circumstance is considered a bad. see for instance the gamer gate stuff, which has as par… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/24 01:48 AM |
| 2 | Most of unrealistic beauty standards are imposed on women by other womenthey are like that because there is a tension between wanting to do those things 'for themselves' and the reality that many folks do it exactly for their potential lovers, which for most women means men and the male gaze. just like many dudes dress for the female gaze, to please their lovers that is. but that isn't the entirety of why they style themselves howsoever they style themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/24 01:31 AM |
| -1 | Women lose attraction to their husbands more than the reverse, and that's why women divorce much more oftenthe link to the article, despite the title, doesn't really support what you are saying. it doesn't purport a link between attractiveness, it reports a link to assertiveness. and the link is weak and pretty wishy washy. as is most of scientific studies these days. basically bullshit. i agree that women more than men tend to lose their desire towards their long term lovers, and that that is why women tend to initiate divorces more oft, i'd add that i think it is also a major cause of why there is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/24 12:34 AM |
| – | Why do women's empathy disappear when it comes to male children?links might be helpful. i did a little bit of online searching, didn't find that specific case, but found plenty of cases of mothers murdering their children, so like you i find the event itself believable. as to people defending it? idk. but this is true; there are plenty of movements that seek to teach that little boys will grow up to be rapists, murderers, etc... unless people intervene to stop them. so called 'toxic masculinity' and a wide variety of claims against men as being inherently vi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/24 12:17 AM |
| 19 | "But more women are killed or seriously injured by male partners!"just going to point this out again, as this topic seems to keep cropping up. part of the disparity in play here is also related to women committing domestic violence 'in self defense'. see here for instance: Women who kill in response to domestic violence: How do criminal justice systems respond? - Penal Reform International the point being both that women do real violence against their spouses, but it is counted towards 'self-defense'. murder is worse that a beating, arguably at any rate. a man… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/24 12:05 AM |
| – | Why do women's empathy disappear when it comes to male children?i think OP's point is that such was supposedly defended by women and specifically feminists. not so much that the event happened, but rather the defense and attempts to 'garner sympathy' for the perp. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/24 11:36 PM |
| – | Why do women's empathy disappear when it comes to male children?sure it has. there are known societies that do not do that, and rather significant arguments against it, e.g. the disposability of men for instance. but, as the point here is that the comments you are making are not related to the OP, and are conflating what OP said to 'preferences' i'm not going to argue the point here. try responding to what the OP actually says, rather than derailing the conversation into other areas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/24 09:53 PM |
| – | Why do women's empathy disappear when it comes to male children?idk, i mean i could try looking it up, but that is what the OP said: Manosphere types didn't defend or try to garner sympathy for a woman who murdered her toddler age sons out of fear they would grow up to be abusers of women. i vaguely recall hearing about this. the point tho is that that is what OP is claiming, not 'preferencing' but rather specifically targeting children for harassment and worse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/24 09:50 PM |
| 4 | Why do women's empathy disappear when it comes to male children?although i actually don't think it is true that 'every country in the world has a son preference', i do admit that there are places and times where there are son preferences. but preferences aren't what OP is talking about, and pretending it is, is just being disingenuous to the question. he's talking about treating little boys like little rapists in waiting, openly denigrating them both publicly and privately, literally murdering them and defending the murderer bc after all it was just a little… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/24 04:21 AM |
| 14 | Thoughts on how I could rebut this “gender conscious lens” argument?without going deep into the stats on DV, the argument they are presenting is dependent upon a notion that male on female DV is actually more deadly. this may not really be the case tho. The notion is dependent upon physical strength not actual violence done. the classic argument that has been used is that bc women are generally physically weaker, it follows that what they do to men is in self-defense. Hence, people have come to classify female on male violence in DV cases as self-defense. But th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/24 04:10 AM |
| 19 | Male victims dismissed whenever a female casualty occurswomen victims are the minority of victims in all crimes save perhaps sexual violence. which ought not be surprising given the gendered reality. to compensate for the reality, folks play make believe with the stats highlighting the minority of instances of female victims of violence of whatever sort. they also do not tend to highlight when women are the perps, indeed, they tend to not cover it. this is done because they believe (wrongly) that there is a real patriarchy that oppresses women, and s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/24 09:09 PM |
| 1 | Why I'm here:i think there are several links to them in this thread already, but what we know is what the kind of questions they use, behavioral specific questions (this is something they state on their site), and the ideology they ascribe to, 'yes means yes' (this isn't expressly stated but is pretty straightforwardly derived by reading their definitions of what constitutes sexual violence). All their definitions of sexual violence are consistent with 'yes means yes', and they go out of their way to avoid u… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/24 04:18 AM |
| -3 | Holyshit guys It's possible that the presidential election will turn to Men vs Women controversysounds like hysteria. you a lady? | /r/MensRights | 22/07/24 03:55 AM |
| 1 | Why I'm here:from what i've read on it, they simply do not release that information. i'd suspect its because it would open them up to all kinds of criticisms to their methods, and they would claim that 'sexism' would render those criticisms invalid. so best to just not open them up to those 'sexist claims'. its far better for their presentation of the stats if they don't let people criticize the questions they use. tho 'imho' the fact that they have systematically refused to release those questions is far mo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/24 03:37 AM |
| 2 | Feminists who say, "I support women's wrongs" ... what do you mean?not a joke: Supporting Women's Rights and Women's Wrongs (hercampus.com) so imma try and give this a better interpretation than the person in this article gives it. the notion is that gender is far more aesthetic in its ethics than obligatory in its ethics. this means that when women, or men, or queer people do 'wrongs' as a matter of their gender such is better understood as a gendered and hence aesthetic consideration. not something to be taken overly seriously. i suspect that the author of th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/24 01:40 AM |
| 1 | Why I'm here:imagine being asked to make sure your lady lovers orgasms, and replying 'no thanks, lets 68 and I'll owe you 1', and that being understood as the proper mode of sexuality. that's yes means yes. that's the mode of ethics these stats denote. it would be wrong, in other words to say '69 it or I dip' cause after all, that would be pressure or something. destroy these puritans. they are a foundational source of the problems in the current, and they cut across the currents of politics. its as easy to … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/24 12:46 AM |
| 1 | Why I'm here:sure, i mean you can look here but as that is long and boring to read, let me respond somewhat directly. look at the FBI crime stats. or, if you like, look at NISVS's stats as they also note that less than 2% of women and less than 1% of men report rape. those are the actual hard data that is available. and it is consistent across the board, as in, if you look at any country in the world's crime data, with exceptions for say war zone areas, those stats remain consistent. just taking this at face… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/07/24 06:24 PM |
| 2 | Why I'm here:not able to respond to XorFish for whatever reason, so just commenting this here is response to XorFish's comment. u/XorFish, you are not suppling the questions that NISVS uses. Unfortunately they do not provide the specific questions that they use, so ultimately we cannot really analyze the details of their claims. they are just making up questions in a black box, asking people those questions, and translating them into the categories they present. what we do know is that they use a 'yes means … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/07/24 06:17 PM |
| 3 | Most of what Andrew Tate says is spilled between the lines by women on this subi've never watched tate, doubt i ever will. but from the second hand info, yes, he sounds pretty much like the embodiment of every bad feminista trait out there. take advantage of your lovers towards your own aims? you go girl! make sure you get that dollar dollar bill yo? you go girl! use your sex towards the aims of getting bank? yes queen! make sure you pick your sexual partners for what they can provide you? no doubt ladies! he, much like trump, is a gender inverted caricature of the online … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/24 01:56 AM |
| 2 | Two samples about how men are seen as a threat just by talking to women.OP ought understand that a lot of people in this crowd lean conservative themselves. there is a bent there that is already inherently anti-male, that views men as natural predators, rapists, and so forth. think for instance of the 'alpha male' talking points. when you view masculinity in that way, there is a natural tie in with the feministas who talk about how all men are rapists swarming to rape any woman they happen upon. nothing you did was wrong. normal people do normal human interactions, … | /r/MensRights | 16/07/24 01:49 AM |
| 13 | Why I'm here:folks gonna have to get a grip that the stats you are citing here are puritanical visions of sexuality. in other words, they count SA's that are not broadly understood or accepted as criteria for SA's, and they overly moralize sexuality in order to inflate the stats as much as possible. to the detriment of men, as they obliquely cast all men as perps of sexual violence. in other words, the reason people 'choose bear' is because of these bs stats that get tossed around. as has been pointed out he… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/24 11:31 PM |
| 5 | Should we move from the MRA lavel?while i agree with folks in the comments that there are men's rights of note and worth fighting for, and that changing one's name around bc some folks don't like what you're standing for is not generally good, i'd add that having more than one group title under which we are working is good for a variety of reasons. so, not 'dismantling' MRA but adding AMI is a good sort of thing to do. it provides folks who are interested in men's issues (to use the broader term here) but have been turned off fo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/24 07:42 PM |
| 1 | "The Will To Change" - a couple of thoughtsyoure welcome. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/24 05:12 AM |
| 20 | The ‘doing __ aggressively to see my husband’s reaction’ trendwhat's being described is women freely treating their SO's like emotional cum rags for them to use and toss as they see fit. a green flag is a good emotional cum rag. a red flag is a bad emotional cum rag. the premise is that women ought be encouraged to behave like emotionally stunted child-women who may act out of control for no good reason, and the emotional cum rag is supposed to come along and clean up after their mess, comfort them after they behave poorly towards you, and ultimately have … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/24 04:15 AM |
| 1 | In what ways do you approve of advancing feminism, and what ways do you refuse to have a part?the questions are about how best to broadly categorize the nature of the academic endeavor to study the phenomenon associated with gender. what are the fundamental structures that orient people? is sexuality the proper broad category because it transcends cultures, for instance, or ought we focus on cultural expressions like gender? do we divide people up along arbitrary grounds of cultural dispositions of gender by nominally focusing the study on gender, or, do we divide people up along non-arb… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 07:45 PM |
| 3 | Male bashingi am less inclined to say that folks ought avoid those situations. they are going to crop up, and you're going to have to deal with them, and moreover, if you want to actually change anything you have to engage with them. OP asking about how to cope with it is legit tho. personally i find a degree of disassociation to be pretty helpful. boys don't cry sort of stuff. in other words, being emotionally detached from the situation, engaging it more limitedly, only on an intellectual level, and oft t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 06:48 PM |
| 5 | "The Will To Change" - a couple of thoughtsthe problem with hooks is that while she oft recognizes the issues within feminism and women's mode of treatment of men, she erroneously ascribing those problems to the patriarchy rather than just acknowledging that women have agency and are doing those things themselves, for their own gain and self-importance. she labors fruitlessly under the belief that there is an overarching patriarchy. but i do actually agree that hooks is worth a read, cause as long as you understand and recognize her erro… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 06:20 PM |
| 1 | Please read this before posting.nah, i just work in a different arena than you do. you're speaking of rhetorical stuff, pop cultural things, and you're loosely defining feminism. I'm speaking towards dry ass academic works, theory, how well that stuff is holding together, etc... to me and folks like me the battle was won years ago, in other words, when the feminist theories of note, radical feminism for instance, and patriarchal realism, were shown to be false. just bc we noticed that tho, doesn't mean you or everyone else nec… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 01:15 AM |
| 0 | How can they criticise us for not being able to discuss our issues without bringing up feminism when they also can't discuss our issues without bringing up feminismwhat y'all are describing is a rape culture. rape is about power and control within a sexualized context. the feministas seek power and control over men in particular, and most importantly, within a sexualized context. the gendered issues that male advocates are drawing forth are derivatives of the feministas' rape culture towards men, whereby they seek to control, have power over, and dominate the ways and means of sexual interaction along gendered grounds, e.g. sexual interactions ought happen… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/24 12:59 AM |
| 4 | Reddit doesn’t care about you.i mean, call it for what it is. the admins of reddit and the mods of many subs are actively hoping for men to get raped more. they are the cheerleaders for men getting raped, especially by women. The notion that men would have a say in how their own sexuality is done is alien to them. to them, men ought do what women say, sexually speaking. that is the yes means yes doctrine. it is a doctrine that outright promotes the rape of men as a norm of society. to be clear, their underpinning ideology en… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/24 09:19 PM |
| 1 | Please read this before posting.let me describe to you a couple fun things. 1) i watched feminism go off the rails and become the feministas (pop feminists, online feminists) more than a decade ago now. they foolishly decided to politicize their positions, and they stopped being self-critical. so i stepped away and focused on some other stuff, because they'd eventually disprove themselves. which they have. look at the push back. And just for funsies, their most foolish claim has always been patriarchal realism. the belief that… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/24 07:56 PM |
| 1 | Please read this before posting.cool. tho feministas is a technical term to differentiate between feminists, feminist theory, etc... and the pop feminism that happens online. you know, rather than lump it all together and pretend that we can dismiss academic lit because of some shite a feministas said online that pissed you off. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/24 07:10 PM |
| 1 | In what ways do you approve of advancing feminism, and what ways do you refuse to have a part?not in my experience of it, no. this was done to handle the reality that queer people and men are also expressions of gender, and hence the aim of the studies were not towards women per se, but this more abstracted concept of gender as such. there were other notions floated, such as sexuality studies (that one i personally favored at the time, but gender studies is a fine name too), as sexuality studies likewise seemed to better capture the broader spectrum to which the discipline was wanting to… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/24 07:09 PM |
| 1 | In what ways do you approve of advancing feminism, and what ways do you refuse to have a part?i don't think you're yet accepting the degree that science is being brought low in the currents, or the degree that gender theory has been aligning itself with science. philosophy isn't science. at best science is but one branch in philosophy, something we use from time to time or for specific purposes and aims, but ultimately science just amounts to a particular view of the world, one that it turns out has some pretty severe limitations to it. gender theory is also just a branch in philosophy. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/24 07:05 PM |
| 0 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?stomping the feet and storming off rather than respond to basic criticisms. sounds like the typical evo psych from what's i've seen. I didn't ask 'why' i asked 'what' as in, you are making claims as to what animals are, which i'm fine with saying we are animals, but then what does that mean? saying we're animals doesn't actually do anything in itself. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/24 06:34 PM |
| 1 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?lmao dang dude, don't take recommended books to folks that haven't read shite as being indicative of my favs. note tho that you excluded the books i mentioned that don't conform to your hot ass take on this. must be hard tho watching your evo-psyche shite tumble and burn, you've my sympathies. as to the limited and not argued for point that what i said suggests that people are not animals, i mean, just lame shite. not much to say to it really. what that mean exactly? i mean, what is an animal, e… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/07/24 06:47 AM |
| 2 | Hating men is perfectly permitted on Reddit and the converse less soamong the biggest push backs on this, imo, is that the actual push backs to this are themselves wildly over the top. as in, say, project 2025 and their equivalent movements. to me, i see a historical feminism movement that overshot itself, and is receiving a backlash also out of proportion to how far it overshot itself. gonna take brave people center, left and right to correct for these silly cultural indulgences. we ain't gotta be a bunch of hateful pos. could be a bunch of loving fuckers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/24 05:28 AM |
| 3 | Hating men is perfectly permitted on Reddit and the converse less sowow, i mean like, wow, 'men and white people are free game to treat like shit'. its amazeballs that these groups exist and there are people who are like, 'yep, that definitely good stuff'. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/24 05:24 AM |
| 1 | Women want sex robots, so why do women make fun of men who want them?tend to disagree, tho tbh there isn't a great way to prove this one way or another. the reason i tend to disagree, and hence think that these are the same groups of women, is that the talking points that men sux, a warm bath and a good book is better than sex with a man, dildo is better than sex with a man, etc.... has been a long standing pop criticism of men stemming from a basic criticism of men's overall sexual dispositions. the logic tends to run 'men treat women like sex dolls, hence they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/24 02:43 AM |
| 1 | In what ways do you approve of advancing feminism, and what ways do you refuse to have a part?gender theory. its called gender theory. that point was made some time ago, feminism is just one subset of gender theory. there are serious problems with feminists and feminist theory tho, and as a matter of the academics of it that is actually important to correct for towards a gender theory as opposed to feminism per se. note that this notion is relatively new. back when i was at university they were just in the process of changing the discipline from 'women's studies' to 'gender studies', tha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 08:54 PM |
| 1 | In what ways do you approve of advancing feminism, and what ways do you refuse to have a part?I take heart with hearing that. if a feminist activist is taking offense to pretty basic gender theory concepts, you're doing a service for them by pressing the point. socially and culturally i'm aiming for a polyamorous counter to neoliberal individualism, and one that centers local communities, and extended families. note that there is a rather large rise of polyamory in western societies. fwiw such is also in line with strain of feminist thought, and many of the feminists i hang and hung with… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 08:45 PM |
| 1 | In what ways do you approve of advancing feminism, and what ways do you refuse to have a part?in this context, talk is action, because the action is changing people's views about things, for the most part at any rate. i do and have talked to many a feminist in my time. and fwiw i've had good success rates in talking with them, and i try to provide those talking points here for folks to use, such as the focusing on puritanism as a problem, no means no as the problem sexual ethic, sex positivity in the context of multiculturalism, and understanding things as a heteronormative complex with … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 08:28 PM |
| 4 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?its not strawmanning, its an endemic problem that has been repeatedly pointed out to folks in those 'disciplines' for decades now. and their response is always pretty much like what you just provide. 'no, that's just some certain bad examples.' or some other kind of excuses. there are fundamental problems with the methods that are being used, and i described some of them just fine in the comment. '51%' is not indicative of a categorical statement. if its not indicative of a categorical statement… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 08:06 PM |
| 4 | Newcomer here. Im not exactly sure what means "leftwing" in the name of the sub.arguing with you is not discriminating against you. its disagreement with you. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 03:56 AM |
| 22 | So, I happened to come across a forum concerning Tobey McGuire (49) hanging out with an influencer 29 years his junior. The comments summarily bashed McGuire, so I wanted to ask you all what you think of significant age gaps between consenting adults, but from a male perspective?18+ ought be allowed to be with whom they want. folks saying otherwise are puritans in their sexual dispositions, overly moralizing about it. i'd also hold that they are basically just doing tabloid talk, as in, so and so is sleeping with who? oh my? spill that tea b. its childish nonsense that ought not ever be taken seriously, as taking it seriously leads to the determent of people's sexuality. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 03:41 AM |
| 3 | In what ways do you approve of advancing feminism, and what ways do you refuse to have a part?still using it with a straight face. it is a boring claim that the most common kind of sexuality is heterosexual. hence, it is 'normative' in the boring sense, and the additive point that there is also a significant queer component is relevant. due to that boring sense of normativity, there is a tendency for folks to treat heterosexuality as a moral normative, as in, defining sexuality in a moral sense as being heterosexual. which is an unethical way to treat sexuality, but it also simply factua… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 03:38 AM |
| 1 | There is a reason why Feminists conveniently never seem to want to discuss Black Men/Boys in any capacity outside of the ridiculous depictions offered by the likes of Bell Hooks and Kimberly Crenshaw, because to do so as an honest actor literally breaks Feminismtru | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/24 10:24 PM |
| 11 | The Gendered Killing of Men and the Double Standard of itthe reason that androcide isn't well considered is that homicides and all regular normalized killings describes them, for the most part at any rate. it is normal to murder or even massacre men. it is accepted without question to the point that the terms femicide had to be invented to describe the unusual events where women are killed. men are supposed to die. women not. its abhorrent when women die, it is literally celebrated when men die. regarding domestic violence, the stats like many stats a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/24 09:32 PM |
| 1 | In what ways do you approve of advancing feminism, and what ways do you refuse to have a part?talk is what runs things, it isn't really cheap. wanna get them there, convince them. how do you convince them, talk to them in a reasonable manner. befriend them, don't belittle them. show them kindness and demand and expect kindness in return. show them the errors in their thinking. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/24 09:25 PM |
| 8 | How do you all feel about evolutionary psychology and it's play in male-female interpersonal relationships?i tend to agree with munecat's criticisms of it, as noted here. I'd also note that evo-psych is part of a broader criticism happening in the sciences, where basically they're just peddling bullshit, and the bullshit levels are high in evo-psych. they do many of the common and pretty silly fallacies of modern sciences. for instance, claims like 'men do x' or 'women do y' predicated upon small sample sizes, motivated reasoning, inherent gendered biases, p-hacking for prestige and publication, sens… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/24 07:52 PM |
| 2 | In what ways do you approve of advancing feminism, and what ways do you refuse to have a part?feminism has flaws in its theoretical apparatus. i've pointed them out before, as have others, and fwiw i've seen plenty of lady feminists point those flaws out in a variety of ways. what i liken it to is pointing out the flaws within an overarching philosophical disposition, but such doesn't necessarily negate the philosophical disposition. in the case of feminism, i find for instance oft it is the case that if they were to get rid of their claims of patriarchal realism, and their related claim… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/24 07:43 PM |
| 1 | There is a reason why Feminists conveniently never seem to want to discuss Black Men/Boys in any capacity outside of the ridiculous depictions offered by the likes of Bell Hooks and Kimberly Crenshaw, because to do so as an honest actor literally breaks Feminismi'm going to respond to both your comments in this thread here, for the sake of simplicity. chances are good that we broadly agree regarding much of the hypocrisy within current feminism. we may or may not agree as to the cause. i find academic feminism to be too lacking in sound theoretical underpinnings. they depend too heavily on data, sciences, and so forth, and have made pretty outrageous claims, such as a patriarchal realism (the universal historical and current oppression of women since t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/24 07:17 PM |
| 1 | Political Propositioning Around Men's Issuesim going to respond to but your comments in this thread here for the sake simplicity. sources: i described to you how everyone in academics is taught to use sources. if i were to make an argument using empirical evidence, i wouldn't cite anyone, unless i don't want to make the argument myself, i would gather that empirical evidence myself. to not use citations this way is to use them as arguments by way of authority. citation battles. which is not good academics. 'my source is bigger than your s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/24 06:56 PM |
| 1 | It's not until a woman does it/ It's ok until a womans a victim of itthose same folks rage downvote things they disagree with. you have to buy into the lie that women are categorically oppressed, especially historically and throughout all of history, before you can understand their positions. if that were true, which it isn't, they can justify anything that does harm to men, or anything that does good for women, howsoever they so happen to view harm or good. they've made an absolutely incredible claim, offered no evidence to back it up, and ignore all evidence to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/24 06:06 PM |
| 0 | It's not until a woman does it/ It's ok until a womans a victim of itthere is a confused segment of the population that believe that women are oppressed categorical, contrary to all evidence. to them, anything that is 'good for women' is considered good. hence, they can hold contradictory propositions. that is pretty much the entirety of the problem summed up. if folks particularized their complaints such that they were saying 'in this instance' these kinds of contradictions simply wouldn't occur. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 05:30 AM |
| 1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.this seems to be demonstrably false and incoherent as a response to OC. demonstrability: people who work a lot at 'productive activities' also feel dispositions towards sexual needs, wants, and desires. incoherence to OC; what oc is claiming, like it, agree with it, or not, is that many of the most productive people in history, philosophers, gender theorists, and folks that have structured the societies that you live in, all tend to disagree with your take. you can find exceptions, but in genera… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 05:03 AM |
| 2 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.i think you're insisting on needs as a limitation of human life. which is not the context in which needs is generally used. needs is that which is required for human flourishing, not 'i literally will die without it'. one can live off of minimal food, virtually no shelter, virtually no human interaction, sparse water, etc.... but such is merely indicative of a reduction of human life tosome animalistic state. as my oc said. these are not the needs notions that are used in virtually any academic … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 04:55 AM |
| 1 | There is a reason why Feminists conveniently never seem to want to discuss Black Men/Boys in any capacity outside of the ridiculous depictions offered by the likes of Bell Hooks and Kimberly Crenshaw, because to do so as an honest actor literally breaks Feminismso.... the cited youtube video has nothing whatsoever to do with the title of this post. it appears to be a non-sequitur post / citation. in what way is the youtube video related to hooks or crenshaw? I found no relation whatsoever. moreover, i found the video to mostly be parroting pretty classic and standard feminist talking point that hooks and crenshaw would tend to agree with, ironically. so, for instance, the video claims, pretty much, that patriarchy is in fact to blame, its just that the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/07/24 04:26 AM |
| 3 | There is a reason why Feminists conveniently never seem to want to discuss Black Men/Boys in any capacity outside of the ridiculous depictions offered by the likes of Bell Hooks and Kimberly Crenshaw, because to do so as an honest actor literally breaks Feminismits actually somewhat unclear as to if nazis are the actual origin of it. its a common enough idea that you can find similar sorts of talking point deeper in history. 'maybe its not all of them, but there is some of them, or even one that could do it' is hardly a novel concept. however, it is a logical fallacy, and has as a among its most infamous modern uses that of actual nazis talking points to sway people against the jews. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/07/24 04:10 AM |
| -1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.pretty strong disagree that sex is not a need. i'd point out that most of philosophy and gender theory disagrees with this position too. love, including sexual love, is typically and generally understood to be a human need. while it does have some dissimilarities to concerns like food or water, these are not to be taken as indicative of need. such distinction depending on a notion of need that entails 'lack of life' which is not broadly understood as needs. see for instance any real discussion o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 03:46 AM |
| 2 | The destruction of positive male role models grooms society to bow to authoritarian leadersthere are fascistic and conservative strands within feminist theory, and unfortunately they've not yet been well separated out. this entails strands that will tend towards the destructive of existing masculine models and figures ostensibly towards the 'strongman' taking over. tho ultimately the 'strongman' is a weak figure that is easily controllable. trump and in general right wing strongman figures are those, conservative cuck lords that think its super hot to do whatever the women folks want … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/07/24 02:02 AM |
| -1 | Any other more muscular dudes ever get inappropriately touched?not muscular, but yes. course, i don't actually see anything wrong with this sort of behavior. cultural context matters. being at the local meet market where flirtatious touch is normal to do seems like a perfectly fine thing to me, as do individual instances of flirtatiousness between potential lovers. its only if a no is transgressed that i find anything to be wrong, or something done in particularly off limits cultural contexts, such as the workplace. | /r/MensRights | 06/07/24 05:58 PM |
| 2 | A depressing thread that captures the depth of the feminist lefts failure of male victims and how deeply bias can drive one's worldviewtend to agree. mutual abuse is the likely reality in most cases. though OC here is also correct that it is only used, and disingenuously used, by the feministas trying to make the case that there is no such thing as IPV against men. that is a fundamental problem, and hence why mutual abuse as a term needs to be reclaimed as the assumed norm of what happens in IPV cases. It ought take effort to prove that someone in particular is responsible for a fight, a DV, etc... rather than assume it is auto… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 06:42 PM |
| 6 | “Large psychology study debunks stereotype of feminists as man-haters” - ”The Misandry Myth: An Inaccurate Stereotype About Feminists’ Attitudes Toward Men”let's give a few talking points here: firstly, the study uses self-identified 'feminists', so the category they are speaking of is more or less social one rather than an ideological one. this is important as it means that there isn't anything of worth or note to be said by way of this study in regards to any real ideological commits feminism may hold. Its like going up to a 'citizen scientist' a 'self-proclaimed physicist' and taking their opinion as being particularly relevant to the nature of … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 05:47 PM |
| 1 | Political Propositioning Around Men's IssuesAh. you seem to be responding to a broader dismissal of things other than 'science', you're not really expressing a problem with those authors, so much as directing your broader distaste for things 'not of the sort that you respect in general'. in other words, i'd suspect you'd say similar things across the board to any academic works that are not in the disciplines you prefer. i could be wrong, but that is what your criticism sounds like to me. you claim that all the things these folks are sayi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/07/24 04:42 PM |
| 2 | From tomorrow, rape against men is legal in india and no one is talking about it here.let me do you one better. it isn;t absolute, but a general rule, a 'rule of thumb' as it were, is that the more concern about sexual violence that is being hoisted upon society as a 'thing that men do to men' the more likely its the case that sexual violence is actually more prevalent in terms of sexual violence against men. it just isn't counted as such. cause we sux. its definitely not an absolute principle, but in much the same way as you hear the cries of richies complaining bout their hards… | /r/MensRights | 03/07/24 06:35 AM |
| 11 | What's the deal with r/menslib?i find it regularly worth commenting to this point; they're misandrists. they hate you first and foremost. nothing they say about men can be understood without firstly and primarily understanding that point. it is just hate. it is motivated by hate. everything they say after that is but ad hoc justifications to their emotive states of hatred. such doesn't technically dismiss their claims wholesale, but such is the proper way to understand and analyze what they are saying. in other words, being g… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/24 05:37 AM |
| 39 | My Thorough issue with Menslibi find it regularly worth commenting to this point; they're misandrists. they hate you first and foremost. nothing they say about men can be understood without firstly and primarily understanding that point. it is just hate. it is motivated by hate. everything they say after that is but ad hoc justifications to their emotive states of hatred. such doesn't technically dismiss their claims wholesale, but such is the proper way to understand and analyze what they are saying. in other words, being g… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/24 05:36 AM |
| 2 | Is what the mainstream media says about male friendships/bonding reflect reality?i think and feel as tho its bigger than a western world sort of phenomenon. let me suggest this vid: SOCIALISM: An In-Depth Explanation not to indoctrinate you on any socialistic notions, but just as way of a broad history lesson in regards to the interplay between Liberalism (individualism) and one of its counterparts (socialism), though there are others. for me and in regards to male loneliness, and loneliness more generally, such dovetails well enough with these movements towards individualis… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/24 05:17 AM |
| – | What is the role of a girl’s/woman’s father?father of a daughter and a son too. i've not markedly seen my role to my daughter as different than to my son. love them, show them affection, give them space to grow, be there when they need me, educate them as much as i can, prepare them for life going forwards more generally, instill good ethics by example and discussion, and prepare myself to catch them if they falter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 04:08 AM |
| 4 | Meta analysis shows that sexualized content in video games doesn’t cause body dissatisfaction or sexism in players, and studies showing a link are poorly designed or have researcher expectancy effects.this sounds plausible. there was in the olden times, the 'little underwear man' in european art. he went around and painted over the genitals of masterpieces of art, or resculpted sculptures for the same purpose, because they were 'offensive' for this or that reason. modern day concerns about sexualization of women in videogames is the same shite. just gotta push back against the stupidity and puritanism folks. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/24 03:25 AM |
| 3 | Is what the mainstream media says about male friendships/bonding reflect reality?i'd apologize for the writing style, but im not sorry. i do understand it can be off putting tho. you nor anyone else need reapproach me with such stylistic aspects in kind. tho if you find yourself discovering new words, language, and hence thought by doing so, consider doing so. the problem with 'many do thus and such' is that it lacks ethical weight. as in, so what? is that a problem? it has the same ethical weight as 'some'. 'some americans are assholes'. true statement. tells us little abou… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/24 03:13 AM |
| 1 | Political Propositioning Around Men's Issuesi think you're ignoring one of the basic premises of argumentation, which i've stated a few times here, namely, specificity of the target. you specified a far too broad target. for that reason. becomes false. there are demonstrable feminist academic authorities, activists, and lay people who do not do this. there isn't really a shortage of them. What you've done is lump all 'feminists' and 'feminisms' together under an umbrella term of certain specific feminist theories and ideas you're criticiz… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/24 02:41 AM |
| 1 | Political Propositioning Around Men's Issuesfew things in response. 1) who's being called out as feminists here does actually matter a fair amount. while i am not inclined to say that online feministas are not feminists, i am inclined to distinguish between them and academic feminists. I don't find feministas to be any more enlightened about feminist theory, or gender theory more broadly, than most people online tossing the salad of science by making pretense of being scientists, sharing studies, and so forth are about science. i'm sure s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/07/24 10:51 PM |
| 5 | The “By Other Men”agree. the things they are expressing are old timey gendered stereotypes they ought be wise enough to disentangle themselves from. i tend to view them with pity for their foolishness. i'd add that it can be helpful to repeatedly bring up how the same crimes when committed by women are simply ignore, which is what they are expressing when they say 'by other men', and feel free to direct them to here as it highlights that point and also makes the connection to the puritanical dispositions. puritan… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/07/24 06:43 PM |
| 16 | Is what the mainstream media says about male friendships/bonding reflect reality?imho, maybe even '''imho''' what you're describing is a result of several common fallacies that have pretty much overcome especially the social sciences and popular discourse in general. They mostly relate to the gathering and interpretation of data. The sciences are so fucked y'all, sorry;/ 1) as OP is already pointing out, hasty generalization fallacy. in the cases of gender comparisons, this is one where small differences between the genders are taken to be indicative of overarching differenc… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/07/24 04:48 PM |
| 2 | So,I just Found this Sub Recently, and I Just Gotta Sayif you like it, make sure you take the time and effort to spread it too;) also, welcome. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/07/24 09:15 PM |
| 1 | Women making the first move would solve a lot of the issues with modern dating.this seems to miss the point, people aside from 10/10 humans also date. hard to believe, but its true. women still do not generally make the first move, not even by a long shot. if they did, dudes in online dating would have a flood of emails in their inboxes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/24 05:48 AM |
| 1 | Political Propositioning Around Men's Issuesthe courts never ratified any particular interpretation prior to this. they simply left it to the executive branch. you're referring to the 'administrative state', the various workers who carry out the will of the executive branch. and that is key here, while they may provide insight, pushback, or some other sense of expert analysis to the executive branch, ultimately they merely execute the laws as the executive branch sees fit. In terms of the people's authority, if you don't like what they do… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/07/24 04:34 AM |
| 1 | Only could a man get SAd and still be blamed on the way he reacted…im comparing tabooing or criminalization of human touch and boring basic human interactions to puritanism, the over moralization of sexuality, which is a correct comparison. y'all be talking bout shit they write about in the tabloids and the gossip pages and pretending its of significance. most the world learned to avoid that shit a long time ago. | /r/MensRights | 30/06/24 08:36 PM |
| 1 | Political Propositioning Around Men's Issueswell, thankfully in regards to men's issues most of what i said that was relevant applies before the boldfaced comments:) on the chevron case tho, i find this to be a disturbing ruling for issues that go far beyond my interest in men's issues. to me it is a power grab by the courts away from the executive and legislative branches. the courts would effectively be making law on the bench now, and as they are mostly unelected officials, many of the appointed for lifetime appointments, pragmatically… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/06/24 08:32 PM |
| 1 | Political Propositioning Around Men's Issuesi don't particularly disagree with your assessment. OP is given strictly in terms of dealing with men's issues, of getting those issues placed well within one or both parties in a realistic manner. edit: well, actually i think your assessment of feminism are ones that have been validly leveled against 'white feminisms' and 'western feminism' for some time now. point being there are plenty of feminist scholars, academics, and perhaps feminist folks writ large that would agree with your sentiment,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/06/24 08:22 PM |
| 1 | Political Propositioning Around Men's IssuesTrump is seeking to remake republican platform in his own image: Trump campaign memo signals plans to reduce the national GOP platform - ABC News if you're right leaning, unless you think that trump is actually already aiming for men's issues, this is not a good thing for men's issues. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/06/24 08:09 PM |
| -35 | Only could a man get SAd and still be blamed on the way he reacted…i hope so. i really do. caused i know y'all be puritans who hold to puritanical values about sexuality. to y'all, all 451 percent of women are victims of sexual violence, and all 451 percent of men are perpetrators of sexual violence. at best you just want to be counted as victims like the women folk. i give y'all no quarter. rage down vote me, just be sure you cover up your ankles lest you offend your neighbors whilst you do it. | /r/MensRights | 29/06/24 05:11 AM |
| -32 | Only could a man get SAd and still be blamed on the way he reacted…i think that is fine too. sitting in someone's lap isn't a real problem, unless you're a puritan. puritan meaning, overly moralizing sexuality. '*gasp* did that person sit their lap? did they look at them *that way*?' get the gossip pages out, and pull the fainting couch up, we've got a debutante here. | /r/MensRights | 29/06/24 04:44 AM |
| 0 | Thought y’all would wanna see the comments I received todaywomen like to pretend that they were owned by men throughout history, this is not the case. its pretty classic bs. 'women are just like slaves', sure buddy, let's look at the difference between slaves and women.... the thing is y'all gotta just consistently call our their bullshit. its like if you're dealing with a trumper. you gotta consistently inform them that they are horrendously wrong, that there is nothing in what they are saying that is even remotely representative of history or the curr… | /r/MensRights | 29/06/24 03:41 AM |
| -42 | Only could a man get SAd and still be blamed on the way he reacted…tbh, he and she is fine. i despise puritanical bs. if his gf has a problem, that on her. | /r/MensRights | 29/06/24 03:36 AM |
| 2 | Wouldn’t a great leveler of no fault divorce be mandatory prenups?i technically agree, i just think those naked in terms are communal property arrangements (roughly 50/50 split), and understandings that the person staying home to take of the babies is as valuable to the relationship as the person going to do the job insofar as the family is concerned. pay those people, folks. grow up. you live in a stupid society that requires money to live, and then say to people tasked with raising the next generation that they not be paid any monies. Y'all suck. i hope sinc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/24 03:25 AM |
| – | Women pursue fantasy archetypes not actual men: break the fantasy, goodbye relationshipthis is most likely correct, unfortunately, as it entails a serious deficiency in women broadly speaking (not all women of course) to correct towards an understanding of men (or more generally, their love interests) as actually people, and not merely instruments towards their personal pleasure. i believe in y'all ladies though. you can do better. men and your sexual interests are more than just instruments to your personal pleasure. they are people. some day you'll see that. not all women, thank… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/24 02:08 AM |
| 2 | Please read this before posting.let me reiterate: I find myself mostly going around cleaning up the messes of folks who've been 'producing quantity of quality'. this stems from both the feministas online and their reactionary counterparts posting whatever silly stuff they can to 'dominate the dialogue' instead of, idk, trying to speak reasonably to each other. or honestly. or fairly. me cleaning up after y'all. im not entirely foolish, I can be quite unrealistic and foolish for love, but i do understand that there is a place f… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/24 09:36 PM |
| 2 | Polish parliament approves new rape law making sex without consent a crime | Notes From Polandthis looks like a bad, but i am somewhat uncertain. it sounds like they've adopted a 'yes means yes' doctrine, which is just puritanical nonsense as to what constitutes consent, rather than just holding that consent is the ignoring of a no. but i am unsure because it really depends on how polish law defines 'consent' which the article doesn't specify. the law as portrayed in the article says 'lacking consent' is the new criteria, instead of the use of force which is the old criteria, but how is … | /r/MensRights | 28/06/24 07:25 PM |
| 5 | Why most marriages faili think i largely disagree with what i am taking to be the main premise of your argument; that marriages weren't meant to be about love. i just don't see much evidence of this historically. while there has always been a tension between limited mate selection (marrying within small villages being a historical norm), and raising babies was always a part of the package, historically at any rate love, sexuality, and marriage have always been interconnected. in arranged marriages one is supposed to g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/24 06:54 PM |
| 2 | Has anyone actually gone through the democratic process of trying to get divorce laws changed by congress?no, not really. but in a more general sense there are a few things worth knowing and steps that can be taken: 1) divorce laws vary by state, so you're not looking at a national campaign, but rather a state and local one. 2) in some states you can get things on the ballot by initiatives, meaning in essence getting enough signatures to put it on the ballot. in states where this isn't the case, you can still go through a process of gathering signatures and present them to law makers as indicative o… | /r/MensRights | 28/06/24 05:04 AM |
| 7 | I always wondered... those of yall who dont want to date ppl who have been in situationships, polyamorous arrangements, ONSs etc... how will you know someone had a "hoe" phase??you should just ask them. those who are sex positive are happy to talk about their past, gab about it even. those who are sex negative will be reluctant to do so, hide it. the sex positivists, e.g. the polyamorous, sluts, etc.... will divulge by and large. they will be honest, thoughtful, and open with you about their pasts. if they are sex negative types, they will lie, pretend they're virgins, or some other sort of thing to try and appear like they are 'good'. so, you'll know more or less if t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/24 03:24 AM |
| 2 | The Biden admin's Title IX regulations that roll back due process rights for accused students have been halted in ten states as a result of two temporary injunctions. The future is still uncertain, but we can make a few predictions.i appreciate the inclusion of tansness in title ix, but not the rest of it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/24 02:56 AM |
| 3 | If a drunk man has sex with a sober women, then can he claim rape?indeed, the main issues regarding SA and rape surround beliefs on consent of the 'yes means yes' form, a.k.a. 'informed enthusiastic consent'. these are designed to define SA and rape as things that happen to women, not men, and regardless they are puritanical in their form, meaning that they overly moralize about sexuality. holding to a no means no consent method is the proper way to go about combating it. | /r/MensRights | 28/06/24 02:06 AM |
| 1 | "Misandry goes away when you get off the Internet, but not misogyny"i was about to write a long comment detailing all the misandry irl over the years.... there's just so much of it. i think among the things that bother me most overall is the wild disparity between dudes who are willing to accept that there is such a thing as misogyny and go out of their way to do something about it, and the chicks even capable of understanding the concept of misandry, let alone willing to acknowledge it exists or do something about it. which of course is its own insidious form o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/24 12:06 AM |
| 20 | Misandry from a popular webcomics artist and morea good example of the point that misandrists hate you first bc you are a man, and they only later try to justify that hate. you're not dealing with reasonableness from these folks, you're mostly dealing with an emotive state of blood raged hatred of men. They've been fed a steady diet of lies that paint women as victims incapable of harming men, and men as perps incapable of being victims save insofar as they do it to themselves. in some sense it doesn't matter if you show them how men are harme… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/24 11:09 PM |
| 1 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of Historyi looked at the gynocentrism site, poked around there a bit. what i saw there reminds me of what i see in feminist theory, e.g. specific historical instances of 'oppression' which have better or worse merits to it. but none of which come together well enough to make the broader claim of, in this case, gynocentrism as being a broad or overarching reality in history. mostly for the same reasons as i do not find patriarchal realism to be a creditable claim; there are just too many other instances a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/24 10:46 PM |
| 1 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of HistoryI find it difficult to follow your writing, but I think I agree with a lot of this. i hear this a fair amount. you should see the private email groups i'm in. Societies go through natural selection by competing with each other, just like organisms do, and gender norms are part of their genetic code. while i appreciate the competitive evolutionary notions, it isn't exactly what I would argue to be the case. But you are getting the basic gist of the op, you're just coming at it via a mode of under… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/24 08:00 PM |
| 2 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of HistorySome of those things I mentioned are related to assumptions your post might be making. i suspect you're used to hearing those concepts when discussing things about gender. they are not, however, assumptions baked into discussions about gender. It's not clear to me if all of the men's issues are gendered issues and some of them not issues pertaining to sex. it isn't clear to me either. but it is clear that at least some and perhaps a great deal of men's issues are related to gender and not to sex… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/24 07:17 PM |
| 7 | It's not that we don't acknowledge male rape victims. We just don't acknowledge female perpetratorsimho the proper way of understanding that phenomenon is women and their defenders defending women as women bc it secures their positions in society and culture writ large. Witfully or not, to acknowledge that women are perps is to run counter to the women as victim belief, which is quite prevalent atm, so getting people to accept it entails getting people to go against their deeply held beliefs about gender. which is notorious difficult to do. for one thing tho, its going to entail folks fully a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/24 06:28 PM |
| 2 | Can't see my children anymore, absurdly unfair, losing confidence in society.sounds absolutely horrible. sorry that is happening to you. assuming there is no other reasons (like actual abuse you've done, and i am not assuming that you have either), i have a hard time seeing how any fair court could be doing what they are doing. the immigrant mother ought not be able to simply deny you access to your child, and your ex ought not be allowed to simply take away access to your child because she's upset you got another lady prego. such cannot possibly be construed as being in… | /r/MensRights | 25/06/24 09:27 PM |
| 2 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of Historyi'd suggest that we are coming at things from differing perspectives in terms of language use. there are, in other words, interpretive differences in meaning predicated upon what kinds of words and concepts we are each using. that more than anything inherent to what the other person is saying is actually at root for difficulties in understanding. Tho not necessarily as a matter of agreements. I don't particularly disagree with your statements regarding biological sex. gender is consistent with t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 07:51 PM |
| 3 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of HistoryI find this to be the most relevant comment to the OP so far. I agree regarding the lacking of political involvement, especially among the youth. folks ought volunteer at their local political party of choice, and advocate for men's issues therein. that is how democracy works. gonna keep pushing this point, still gotta vote biden, dump trump and give the mens rights movement room to breath in the republican and right leaning parties. right now trump and the reactionaries are sucking up all the o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 07:12 PM |
| 1 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of Historyi appreciate the sentiment, pretty sure what i said is quite clear tho. Judging from the comments, some folks appear to be applying other concepts to what i've said that i didn't mention. such as feminism, intersectionality, and queer theory. What OP said is; gender issue are transitory. temporary sorts of things. they are not intrinsic. they are historically grounded, meaning that they are only really applicable within the historical circumstances that they occur in (i've given several examples… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 06:48 PM |
| 0 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of Historythere is a lot being said here. heteronormativity is a boring reality. it says that most of society is structured around heterosexuality. that it is 'the norm' in the sense of the common, and that oft ethically speaking it is a norm, e.g. normative ethics. as boring factual statements about society, that is true. how people interpret that varies. Normative ethics refers to behaviors that are 'supposed to behave thusly', as opposed to metaethical stances which critically examine what might be the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 06:39 PM |
| -2 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of Historysorry but multicultural reality isn't a feminism point. intersectionality wasn't mentioned at all in the post. queer theory as such wasn't mentioned either. just queerness. which exists. hard to believe but it does. it would be cool if you actually responded to the things said in the post. 'grounding something in objectivity' like, oh, idk, people doing specific things from different cultures that are typically associated with one sex or another? cause that's queerness. or, maybe the basic reali… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 06:11 PM |
| 1 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of Historynot really. and i'd take your lack of understanding on this as willful since the point is pretty straightforward. an 'all volunteer' army entails poor people only. it has no more bodily autonomy to it than telling poor people they sign up for the army, or they gonna suffer. That's the current reality of the US military, and ultimately most 'volunteer' militaries around the world. in a draft military system, there is more pressure that is put on the leaders making decisions to war in a democratic… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 06:00 PM |
| 1 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of Historyloss of bodily autonomy could, possibly be considered as more important. But that is an interpretive question on ethics. Personally i prefer what is more effective for stopping and mitigating wars, as in, i think that far outweighs any concerns regarding bodily autonomy. I don't even actually think it is a close comparison. as to my belief in, fwiw U.S. military draft ends, Jan. 27, 1973 - POLITICO as this article notes, and is pretty common knowledge in the anti-war movements, nixon ended the d… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/06/24 12:44 AM |
| -8 | Gender Issues Are Better Understood As Transitory Issues Of HistoryMmhmm. Cool. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/24 11:02 PM |
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