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Logistics are not going to be better in a while. Finding a house in Amsterdam is very hard. I can't believe that will suddenly fix everything? She keeps on coming back but I've tried going for a date, going to her place, getting something to eat after going out, yet she keeps on reaching out. I mean, if she wants sex, how? Seems like she's really playing a game and I'm not going to waste time. IF she keeps sending me messages, how can I be clear? I already told her that we don't need to date wit…
/r/seduction26/07/17 10:50 PM
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Not sure how to elevate if I tried several things. Where do you get I'm afraid? I'm not. Not at all. And the whole reason I posted this is because I don't know what to do in these situations, where I tried several things.
/r/seduction26/07/17 10:00 PM
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Yeah simple as that, you're right. But you can understand that I'd rather not spend 30 euros on public transport for nothing, right? I'd rather invest it in my "business" (photographer). Do you leave the house if you don't get a reply? I did though of course, was my own fault like you said.
/r/seduction17/11/16 03:58 PM
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True, was thinking about that also. I fucked up. I'd rather have her cancel than this bull, the fact that I fucked it up myself. I just had too many flakes to think anything will happen. Even though I seem to do everything by the books, follow the "rules".
/r/seduction17/11/16 12:35 PM
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Cool thanks. I actually told #1 it was either the 2 of us or nothing. But then she was blaming the rain and stuff after that. Situation with girl #2 sucked. I didn't get an answer and it felt like the usual stuff. But she was working. It was my own fault. Do I still have a chance with her?
/r/seduction17/11/16 12:33 PM
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Thanks. I told #1 I didn't have anyone for her friend and it was either the 2 of us or nothing. I took a while to reply after her reply, but not longer than 20 minutes. Then she didn't want to meet up anymore as it was "raining" and wasn't worth it for "just 2 hours". I told her "you know I don't live in Amsterdam and I only need 1 hour". I think she wanted to fuck. Girl #2 strung me along? If I did leave the house I would have seen her. She didn't really cancel. Except that she wasn't intereste…
/r/seduction17/11/16 12:30 PM
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Cool thanks man. Well she did like the idea of meeting up but she wasn't sure about making it. So sending her a message on Thursday is okay? Before you say "Google", do YOU have some good links/YT channels or whatever about meditating, I've been thinking about it.
/r/seduction08/11/16 08:55 PM
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I will never manipulate. Like you said, I love being myself and that's what made her interested. Was just curious why she wouldn't want to take off her clothes. She didn't have to be naked, just the skin on skin is a nice feeling. I'm really curious if she was insecure... maybe I made her insecure. I put my hand on her belly and laying down made it a bit bigger, just a very small "feminine" belly, if you know what I mean. I think it's cute. So I joked about it and she replied with "yeah geez I'm…
/r/seduction08/11/16 08:50 PM
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I hope so. I had a great time, easily a 8-9 in my book looks wise. Her personality seemed nice so far. Asking you too, should I wait until Thursday to check on her plans/availability that night? She would let me know. Or is it too needy, should I let her come up with an alternative?
/r/seduction08/11/16 08:40 PM
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Well, I'm new to this bruh. I've only had one girl friend and just dated 2 women in October, the only 2 women next to my ex, so it's pretty clear why I missed the signals. Should I wait until Thursday to check on her plans? I do want to see her, I don't know if you read the last part.
/r/seduction08/11/16 08:38 PM
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Thanks, I was okay with this. I don't like to push at all though I might have fucked it up/went too far by saying she could take off her shirt as skin on skin contact is nice. That's the furthest I went. I did send her a message for a date, I think you read that. Should I wait until Thursday and ASK her if she already knows if she can make it? Or is asking too needy?
/r/seduction08/11/16 08:37 PM
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Hmm yeah could be, still, why allow a guy in your bed? I'd rather have her tell me she couldn't if she was on her period, but that's not how it works, I know. I was okay with this, it was a fun night and I still got to sleep with a fully clothed woman.
/r/seduction08/11/16 08:33 PM
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Go for contacts if you think it'll make you nerdy and you even say you look better without. There are a lot of great frames out there that are really "fashion". I really like to wear mine.
/r/seduction01/11/16 01:00 AM
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"You're such an asshole/a jerk/insert here!" with an added slap on your arm is great yes.
/r/seduction27/10/16 06:56 PM
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Cool thanks, I will let her come with an alternative date/time. She really sounded genuine and interested on the phone. 30 minutes is pretty long but I don't hope I already fell in the friendzone. She immediately said "yes! that would be great!" when I told her I wanted to do drinks and flirt shamelessly. I also kissed her at our first date. And yes, she has things going on right now, very busy with her career, she even sent me a video of what she does daily. She is about to move back to her mot…
/r/seduction24/10/16 10:51 PM
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Don't want to hijack the thread but I'm kind of in the same position. Okay, I have only had one date with her. Made plans for the next date right after the first one, before saying goodbye. She cancelled the second date. Later she tried to call me 2 times (not on the same day) but I was busy (was dating with another girl while she called, didn't find out until after the date). 3rd time I answered and she was happy. Talked for 30 minutes, told me she could meet today but canceled (again). I know …
/r/seduction24/10/16 07:49 PM
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I took my second date ever - which was 2 weeks ago - to an arcade hall. It went great. It's fun, you're doing something, you don't have to talk all the time, you can joke around. Take a break for a drink and talk and play again. We ended up in the Jurassic Park Shooter cabinet which is a bit dark and I grabbed her by her waist and pulled her close to me. Had my hand on her waist/hip all the time, squeezing it now and then. I wanted to go for the kiss but I didn't, I was scared lol. Ended up kiss…
/r/seduction18/10/16 10:32 AM
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Sent her a message, she also deleted my number and I actually think she blocked it, or her phone has been off. (Getting one check mark in Whatsapp)
/r/seduction12/10/16 07:16 PM
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Yeah I don't know. We were having fun, she accepted the kino, she put her arm around me, I made her girl friend laugh, include her in the conversation to make sure their friends were feeling it also. Talked about one of my favorite things, which happens to be hers also, dancing. I had to shave my head at the last moment because she did not flake, so I was in a hurry. My male balding is pretty obvious when it's at 4-5mm, doesn't look good at all. Well like I said, this is now woman number 2 I hav…
/r/seduction12/10/16 07:14 PM
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Well she acted interested up until I got her number. Once I get a number it's always game over for me. It just threw me off when she replied with the "haha" and "I'm very busy". I thought she didn't like me after all after the chit chat. (I got my first date yesterday actually after my first and only girlfriend, second girl I ever dated, kissed her and I picked another date right away with her to meet again btw! Can't believe it actually happened, I didn't shave my head (balding) as I thought sh…
/r/seduction12/10/16 10:47 AM
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Hmm yeah, maybe I can still turn this around and act like my message hasn't been sent? I would be lying of course but whatever.
/r/seduction12/10/16 10:43 AM
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Not a literal sign sorry, I meant if she was looking for a one night stand.
/r/seduction12/10/16 10:42 AM
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Thanks for your advice my man, appreciate it. You're right about the long term goal, but it's a goal, I'm not expecting it to happen, not at all, especially with my history of 0 dates. True... not everyone is the same, but it seems my stuff is not working on any type of woman. I do try to calibrate, but as soon as I get a number it's game over for me, always. I can talk with her for days to comfort her but it'll probably end up nowhere. Again, been there, done that. I see other posts about despe…
/r/seduction11/10/16 12:14 AM
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Thanks. Now why did you feel like I'm not telling the whole story? I sent her 2 messages, that's it. Too high expectations? I never expected anything more than a fun reply. Is that too much already? I never had the expectation to get her in bed at all. I'm sorry, I don't get seddit sometimes. I get a "haha" and "I'm busy" so I should pursue but when I see the same stuff happening to other guys it is a "yeah bro, move on, clearly not interested".
/r/seduction10/10/16 11:39 PM
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I would normally say stuff like that, but I've been there so many times before already. Please believe me when I say that, I always have a good reply ready, I like to be creative but it never works. But this time I was just done with it. I was actually about to say something like your example, or "no time to find out whether we might break our "no marry" rule?".
/r/seduction10/10/16 11:32 PM
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Thanks for your reply. I just knew it wasn't going to happen right away. Sorry, I don't like wasting time on someone who has "2 faces", first let a friend ask for my number, being fun and energetic and the next day sending me a "haha". I would have felt too needy if I said something like your example. The "haha" was enough. I told her we would get something to drink, but it was all going very fast, like I said 5 minutes top. I could have said "let's go salsa dancing at x-dance school" (I know on…
/r/seduction10/10/16 08:35 PM
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Dude, it's not just one woman of course. I keep having stories where everyone would tell me "yeah dude good job" assuming I closed the deal, but I somehow fuck up. Things where every other guy would have closed the deal. It feels like I pick the wrong women.
/r/seduction10/10/16 06:37 PM
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This would have made her head explode I think, perfect response
/r/seduction10/10/16 05:08 PM
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IT IS 2016 for GOD'S SAKE
/r/seduction10/10/16 05:07 PM
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Guess so. She added me on Facebook after we had fun while I was working at a nightclub (photographer). Talked for a bit so I went for the meetup, she agreed. She even said "when are you free?" after I said "let's go for coffee/drinks and shameless flirting this Friday as I have to be in Amsterdam or Sunday night". She would maybe come to this party on Friday but didn't as she was sick. So today she cancelled. I said "Tuesday night" and she agreed. It's getting a bit tiring, I think I'm going to …
/r/seduction09/10/16 11:12 PM
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Is the keep me in the loop also bad when she says she is not feeling too good/is sick?
/r/seduction09/10/16 09:58 PM
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This. I got with a girl (my first and only girlfriend) in this shit time, where I got sick also. I was miserable. She wanted to stay with me but I just couldn't do it anymore, I got near depressed, maybe I am, I don't even know what feeling good is like anymore. But I started acting like an asshole and I still think about it some times, she did not deserve that. I still am in a circle of bullshit, hard to get out. I won't start anything serious until I have my life together.
/r/seduction09/10/16 06:03 PM
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I thought I was reading a post by myself until "platonic conversation and show sexual intent". I don't have trouble with said problem and somehow I'm doing things "right" but can't get more than just kissing. There will never be a date, or sex that night.
/r/seduction30/09/16 01:48 AM
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Good for you man, lets hope she will contact you again. It wasn't really a date, I met her that night in the club. I just hate thinking about how I fucked up so bad, but maybe she wouldn't reply even if I did it right, who knows. I thought she was the most interesting girl there, the best looking also and she really made me crazy, but I wasn't needy at all, she was just too sexy. And if she's into it also, I can't help it. I hate looking back at it, like I said, that I probably was just another …
/r/seduction22/09/16 08:27 PM
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Yes, nice. Any tips on how to deal with regret though? I know about point 2. Sometimes I play out a whole different scenario in my head not even an hour later when I know I fucked up. It can take days for me to even start forgetting about it. I will think about the different scenario I should have done. I feel down. For example, last weekend I had a cool night with a girl, we kissed and danced, it became very sensual but I didn't spend time on "connecting" mainly because I was drunk and we were …
/r/seduction22/09/16 06:15 PM
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I think this is my problem, maybe you could read my last post? Fuuaaark, I really need to quit the alcohol when I'm clubbing/working, or at least have a max.
/r/seduction21/09/16 04:58 PM
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I guess so. I talked for a bit, but I think it's harder to have "quality time" in a club, especially when tipsy. I really need to change my drinking habit. Just makes me think because the guy from example 2 didn't really take her to a secluded area or something for some "quality time" as far as I know, I mean, they were inside the dance area all the time. Why can other guys succeed but not me? Maybe they knew each other already. I don't know.
/r/seduction18/09/16 10:21 PM
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Yeah that is weird, women can be weird. Their actions give you an expectation but then they can go a full 180 on you. I think she was starting to regret it or something, like the rest said. Read my last post btw, I also had a shitty experience with my first(!) Tinder "date".
/r/seduction11/09/16 09:40 PM
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Bump. What about the escalating part? Any tips?
/r/seduction05/09/16 12:49 AM
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Indeed, thanks. Just a shame though, she was the first Tinder match (after like 200 matches or so) that actually wanted to meet up.
/r/seduction04/09/16 03:48 PM
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Thanks, your reply made me think but she kept acting like that when her friends were gone.
/r/seduction03/09/16 05:22 PM
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A bit late, but I had to try Tinder again. I never said I ASK them what they are doing on Tinder right? But I installed it again. Just had to try. Still not getting a lot of matches. But I've gotten every number I asked for so far. 3 seem interested in meeting as in "my ass is the best spot of x-city", so that's pretty clear. Now just trying to go for a time. One thing is holding me back, or 2. I live with my parents and I have no car. So it just sucks. It all sucks lol.
/r/seduction10/08/16 11:58 PM
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I never said I ask them that question though... and I always tried having a good face pic first, pics of me doing fun things, one with my dog etc., had a 50/50 cheeky/serious bio. I'm not going to try it again.
/r/seduction06/08/16 10:20 PM
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Lol, that was an easy one yes. Damn son
/r/seduction04/08/16 10:51 PM
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I'll keep an eye on this post... I'm having the same problems bro. I don't really like texting, I'd rather call. But you're right I guess, I'm probably from another generation already (26) who didn't care about phone conversations, I always loved it. Also, I see it like this. If she can't even call back, or ask over text why you called, she is not worth the time. She is not interested enough.
/r/seduction04/08/16 10:49 PM
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One of the things I always mention. Take salsa dancing lessons. Go check out open days, maybe the social dancing nights even.
/r/seduction04/08/16 10:45 PM
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I don't have it installed anymore and I think I deleted the Tinder profile. Maybe I saved a screen of some conversation that was - in my eyes - going wel... I'll reply back later.
/r/seduction04/08/16 10:34 PM
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Like I said, I have tried everything to no avail. I don't know man. I got a few numbers, they would tell me I'm fun and my bio was great, my opener was great, I look sexy bla bla bla, but nothing. I really HATE texting, so I try to keep the messages to a minimum, I try to find out what they're doing on Tinder and most of the time they're just there for attention whoring. Sometimes they just stop responding out of nowhere after things were going okay (they laugh, they might say sexual things, etc…
/r/seduction01/08/16 05:58 PM
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This doesn't work for me. I've tried practically every thing. And this is my go to stuff, being direct, no bullshit, no time wasting. 0 dates out of maybe 250 matches total.
/r/seduction01/08/16 04:56 PM
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Good you have started this journey. We always advise you to check out the sidebar on the right. Start with that. It covers practically the stuff you need right now. Good luck bro
/r/seduction18/07/16 07:42 PM
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It's okay, you don't want to dance with a person like that, really. I don't want to sound like an arrogant asshole, but I really learned to not give a fuck. 6 years ago I would have felt like shit for days if something like that happened. Now I shrug it off. I don't even ask them. I stick out my hand and I'll see what happens. No? Okay fine, but you're missing out because I've heard the "you're such a great dancer" a lot. And good job on the approach man, don't let this stop you.
/r/seduction17/07/16 11:06 PM
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Nice shit man, good job. I am thinking about trying it for one last time but I just know it ain't gonna happen.
/r/seduction14/07/16 05:35 PM
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I've accepted the fact that I look old (thanks eczema for fucking up my skin and of course thanks balding head!) and I do say things like you listed. It really works. There is no alternative, period. Edit: I've never had someone say "you look old" but when they ask for my age I just fuck around but when I eventually say my real age they say "oh you look older", but that is essentially the same. I think it's less rude than the direct "you look old" though.
/r/seduction13/07/16 05:29 PM
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I've had this with every single woman on Tinder... I must be doing something wrong I guess.
/r/seduction08/07/16 03:52 PM
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Nice one man... Do you like her? Or was it really just for that one night. Just curious... I understand you don't want to get too serious already. I thought I found one too on Instagram but all I got was an attention whore. I too left a comment but I said something funny and she replied to my comment only. 3 comments later she sends me a DM... Later we texted, she sent me voice messages in the morning... Stuff I never expected to happen so I thought I was doing good. Went for the meetup. But nop…
/r/seduction04/07/16 12:24 AM
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I've been in the same boat. 3 times, or reinstalled it 2 times. I've been told I had the best opener quite a lot, I've been told my profile was great, I've been told I look good. Yet 0 meetups. A few numbers. Around 200-250 total matches. It's not you or... it's exactly both us. Followed every "rule". Be direct, not too many messaging etc. etc... Nothing. Wasted too much time so I will probably never try Tinder again.
/r/seduction30/06/16 07:23 PM
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Why would it be absurd and pointless? You are going to have to approach them at one point?
/r/seduction30/06/16 02:39 PM
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I have no intentions to be an ass at all, I just don't see the need to hold her drink if she can put it on somewhere 1cm away from her. If there is nothing to put it on I gladly hold it.
/r/seduction21/06/16 10:07 PM
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What about simple things like "could you hold my bag/drink"? I tend to decline if she is literally standing next to a place where she can put the stuff on. Is that wrong?
/r/seduction21/06/16 05:39 PM
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This can't be any easier my man. Come on.
/r/seduction18/06/16 04:01 PM
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I think he means using your knuckles... just a tap. Like you would if someone is standing next to you and you want his/her attention, you tap them like that.
/r/seduction15/06/16 06:40 PM
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Dude, same boat. Well, at least you got a few dates. I've had 0. I know how you feel. Being direct, showing intentions, making sure you are not going to be their texting buddy. Yeah, all that stuff that should work, is not working for us. Where do you get those #s? From my experience, so far... numbers from clubs is not going to work 99 out of 100 times. Maybe a bar, but still... Never given a fake numbers also. I'm supposedly a cool guy and I do have a lot of female contact. Yet... I think most…
/r/seduction15/06/16 04:52 PM
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Cool thanks... working on it. But I've been working on it all my life... It's nice to see you talking about qualities. I have a few things I'm pretty good at, I kinda know... People tell me all the time. "It's a shame you don't do x or y because you're so damn good at it. I wish I could." Drawing, taking pics, graphic designing, programming, sports... I just need to DO it. You too hang in there, I believe we will be really great one day.
/r/seduction14/06/16 02:34 PM
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Please stop. Yes I have, it's really bad. I actually have a book about procrastination but I never touched it.
/r/seduction14/06/16 01:53 PM
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I am a perfectionist, indeed. Job related stuff is the worst. I am insecure about the work I deliver, but also a perfectionist. It sucks. Good post.
/r/seduction14/06/16 01:01 PM
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I just do crazy RnB sexual moves ("rolling" your body), sometimes even a "gay" feminine looking move while pointing/waving at them. Add a wink maybe. I do get the "are you a dancer" a lot tho, so that helps. Number closing in a club has never given me a positive outcome. I'm about to give this girl a call I was making out with last weekend. But I already know there is only 10% chance of actually getting to meet her again. I now know clubs are more of the "now or never" things. My logistics suck …
/r/seduction09/06/16 05:50 PM
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26 and 1 girl. I need at least 4 girls a week to get to your 300 lol. Your confidence helps you to a certain point, so you must be a damn 9 also. When you say it like that it all sounds so damn easy.
/r/seduction07/06/16 01:07 PM
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Been quite the whole day, I just let it rest and I'm a bit busy now. Anyway, I kind of give up already when the girl does not send shit herself, is that the wrong attitude or am I right? If she really was interested she would have sent me something for sure... Not sure what to do, I've been in this situation too many times that I know what is going on, that nothing will happen. Even if I call her up or whatever to set something up, not gonna happen. It's been almost 3 years since my last (and fi…
/r/seduction06/06/16 05:26 PM
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Cool thanks for writing this. Yup, I've had so many chances with women but I fucked it up by being too wasted. I tell myself to stop doing that but it happens. Gotta do something about that. I just find it very hard because I get 1. free drinks and 2. everyone from the organization (who gives the parties) also drink and put a glass in your hand, so I just want to join the fun. I just have to stop at a certain point. I was caressing her body with my fingers and eventually I went up her side to he…
/r/seduction05/06/16 02:03 PM
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Yeah that was stupid... on the other hand, I was honest. I don't even go for numbers anymore because I just know there is no point if you don't plan a date. And even then it's just a gamble. Too much time wasted with chatting up women who just wanted attention...
/r/seduction04/06/16 04:58 PM
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Well, I did not add the time I have to wait in between 2 bus rides, which is 47 minutes. (this is when I have to go home around 4-5am)
/r/seduction04/06/16 04:56 PM
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There is nothing, NOTHING scary about salsa dancing. It's the easiest (by farrrrr) method of improving yourself... why? It is everything in one essentially. You're probably going to feel good dancing You're doing cardio, really it's pretty damn intense, I just started again last week and man, I forgot how intense it is, sweating as a mofo (taking a second t-shirt with you is not weird at all) You are meeting women which are there to learn the same thing as you, to dance. They also have to go thr…
/r/seduction03/06/16 03:55 PM
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The biggest confidence boost was at the time I started going to the gym and salsa dancing. I started both at the same time actually. Really, I changed. I also worked in restaurants and also as a bartender. Bartending is fun, you can joke around. Just BE that different bartending guy, the one who is fun, who doesn't take everything to serious.
/r/seduction01/06/16 03:31 PM
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Yeah sucks bruh. I "met" this chick on Instagram a while back. I commented on one of her pics with a funny line and she replied. LAter got a DM from her, I was surprised. Talked for a bit, wanted to see pics (don't use Instagram for personal stuff) so I sent her a pic and told me "yeah you're my kind of guy". Talked for a bit on Instagram, got her number and eventually went for the meetup. But nah son, didn't happen as she was busy the whole week. When she said that I went into silent mode immed…
/r/seduction24/05/16 02:32 AM
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I'd say don't approach from behind. Approach when you've had eye contact at least twice.
/r/seduction23/05/16 11:56 AM
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I agree with this one.
/r/seduction09/05/16 12:47 PM
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I could say the same damn thing and it would never work. I like being funny and direct like you are, but to no avail. I mean, going for the # ASAP. Will never try Tinder again as I had 0 fucking meet ups and only a few numbers which was all time wasting bs. Made me feel like shit. I guess you are at least an 8. For real, this will only work if you look good. Please, don't deny it, "confidence" bull and stuff like that. "Fun" profile pics can you take so far.
/r/seduction07/05/16 05:45 PM
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Bro, go start salsa dancing! I don't know where you're from but the Dutch salsa scene is great. The women are very very friendly and open. I haven't been rejected once (okay one time because one of her shoe heels was broken). Really, give it a try. You say you dress well, you are pretty fit. This will help. Especially with your stance. Salsa dancing is about having fun, making her feel good. Don't worry too much about your dancing skills. The most important thing is leading. If your leading is g…
/r/seduction14/04/16 10:53 AM
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As long as the place is fun and has good music, then I'm fine. Whenever I go out in my hometown, I really have to drink because the venues are just that bad, the music is bad. The people are lame. It's no fun at all. I'm Dutch. Amsterdam for example is a goldmine, I have 100s of choices of fun places to go to, without the need of a single drop of alcohol.
/r/seduction10/04/16 01:11 PM
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Lucky you, why won't this ever happen to me? Even if they start DMing I can't pull it off. I just quit texting, Tinder and stuff like that for now, it just won't happen.
/r/seduction04/04/16 09:45 PM
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Blame the patriarchy.
/r/seduction02/04/16 01:41 AM
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This video just sums up my romantic life. Goddamn my sides.
/r/seduction02/04/16 01:40 AM
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I know how you feel. One of the worst fucked up things in my life is my eczema which can become really really bad and I mean reaaal bad out of the blue. I almost become depressed when that happens. I can't sleep, too much itching. I look bad, it hurts. It destroys my life. It's just stupid. Whenever I feel good my eczema is gone. When my eczema is gone, I feel good. Whenever I have eczema, I feel bad. I feel bad when I have eczema. It's a circle I can't leave and I've tried everything to fight m…
/r/seduction01/04/16 10:54 AM
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I do the thigh thing when dancing. But only if I really feel she might be interested. Just make sure it isn't obvious. If she doesn't mind, she doesn't. If she does she will step back or whatever. Again, don't do this with every single woman you dance with of course.
/r/seduction24/03/16 03:04 AM
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My body language should be fine, especially thanks to fitness and salsa dancing. Chin up, breast forward, you know the deal. I talk slowly, I look in the eyes etc. Fashion is one of my hobbies actually.
/r/seduction24/03/16 02:05 AM
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Nice post, I always do this but meh, I get the feeling they would rather have a boring conversation. I actually always have had conversations like that. Anyone else here who has the feeling that everything that "works" does not apply to you?
/r/seduction23/03/16 01:26 AM
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Like I said, I tried every thing and some of them kept the conversation going. They seemed interested but it was all fake. You would think that "That was the best opener I've heard on here" or "You seem like a fun person" would give you extra points. At least, that is what I think. When I felt like it was time to go for the meet up the game was over. For example, if you are talking about sushi and she says "why go out, I can make the sushi for you myself" you would think you are close to closing…
/r/seduction15/03/16 11:07 PM
1

Mine was great because it actually never happened. I've been on it for the third time now and I'm about to delete it again. Have had a total of ~200 matches I think, a few numbers but not one single date. It felt like I was talking to the same person match after match, just in a different body. I tried everything, I tried following every "rule" e.g. be direct etc... I'm done with it.
/r/seduction15/03/16 12:04 AM
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Move on.
/r/seduction14/03/16 12:44 AM
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Tinder sucks. I've managed to get a few numbers, I tried the direct approach, I tried talking for a bit. Times where it seemed like they were interested, really interested. They are mostly attention whoring. Most of them. It helps if you are good looking. But I'll just warn you, this will probably happen a lot. Take in mind that women have A LOT of matches, even the not so good looking ones. Tons of men fighting over a single woman. She'll go for the best looking ones and of course it helps if y…
/r/seduction10/03/16 01:59 AM
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Kind of in the same situation. Been talking to a girl I've "met" on Instagram. I really like her style (fashion, music choice, being funny) and she even dm'd me first. Eventually got her number and after talking for a week or so I was going for the date. Told me she was really busy. I already know what time it is if they say that. Stopped talking immediately.
/r/seduction04/03/16 12:27 AM
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0172 hier. It really sucks. And I'm like literally in the center of A'dam, R'dam and Utrecht. It's just hard to get home unless you leave around 8am, especially in the weekends.
/r/seduction03/03/16 11:34 PM
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I would go out alone more if I lived in Amsterdam, it takes 1 hour and 30 min to get there by public transport. 40 with a car, but I don't have a license. (hate myself for that) No problems going out alone at all. It's just that this "city" is boring as hell and the people living here are really NOT my type.
/r/seduction03/03/16 12:09 AM
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What psycho said... what would have been the correct response?
/r/seduction28/02/16 01:48 PM
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Thanks bruh. Yes, I do agree. I might try it again next week with a specific day and time, a Wednesday or something. Will check for nice spots. I'm having the feeling I'm that waiting room entertainment. But then again I find it weird she sends those things when she just woke up. Or "So I just got home and... blah blah blah". I would find it funny if she is sending those things to other dudes also. Also agree on this on. I've been talking to her for 2 weeks now since the first message on Instagr…
/r/seduction28/02/16 01:47 PM
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I forgot to add I follow every "rule". I have done that. I've been there. It does not matter whether I'm direct or talk for a bit, the outcome is the same.
/r/seduction22/02/16 04:17 PM
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My current profile sucks, I admit that. Only have one pic on it lol. I hate my own face (and I'm a photographer myself) plus I don't have the most interesting life (as I was sick for a while, jobless). Now I've installed it for the 3rd time in 16 months time or so, over 100 matches total (now I have like 15). A few numbers. 0 actual meetups. I want to thank the ladies for wasting my time by the way. Acting all interested, even sending me messages the next morning and stuff like that, but not wan…
/r/seduction22/02/16 02:22 PM
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If you have 800 matches then you don't have to do much.
/r/seduction10/02/16 07:56 AM
2

I've been there. I have premature ejaculation and the moment she started dry humping me I was okay, but a few minutes later I could feel it coming already so I just snapped out of the nice moment and could not stop thinking about the PE. It fucking sucks and is literally the only reason I am scared to escalate even further... They might think you rejected them or they know you are insecure and most women don't like that.
/r/seduction05/02/16 07:54 PM
2

Smoke weed and the dark web? Sure she is not an undercover agent?
/r/seduction05/02/16 07:51 PM
1

The dickhead was uncalled for so I could do this. I actually like this girl... but seems she has some weird side.
/r/seduction05/02/16 07:01 PM
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Sure, I'm okay with worst case scenarios, because it already happened so much already. Some times I just don't mind anymore, because I know I will waste time, I know the worst case scenario will happen anyway. I would be surprised if it didn't...
/r/seduction03/02/16 01:02 AM
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Tinder is only for at least 8.5/10 looking guys. I see myself as a 6.5 and I also had to find out the hard way. I did have matches, I might have had a total of 200 at the end but 0 wanted to meet up, even if I "followed" every "rule", for example, by being direct etc., they told me I had the best opener, I've got comments on my bio. I got a few numbers but numbers don't mean shit, especially on Tinder. My "in person" game is just way better, so I have to go clubbing or whatever.
/r/seduction31/01/16 11:48 PM
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Good for you bro. I always was very direct and I hate texting, no bullshit, cut the crap let's get to it. But I've had 0 Tinder "dates". This won't work for everyone.
/r/seduction25/01/16 04:54 PM
2

Tinder sucks if you are not at least an 8 with a diverse lifestyle. With that I mean, having pictures while you're snowboarding, diving, driving around in a fast car, riding a motorcycle, etc. etc... My life sucked lately and I have no good pics (I was sick/bed ridden for a while, depressed). Real life is way better. When I compare Tinder and real life I get the feeling I'm in a different body. For example, with NYE a girl came to me because her boyfriend was joking around with other girls so sh…
/r/seduction05/01/16 08:53 PM
2

I've been approached several times by women while clubbing telling me "you have been flirting a lot/a lot of girls seem interested". I just think they want the experience also.
/r/seduction05/01/16 08:47 PM
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"I know" and maybe the ;) also, like Scumbag said, some things are hard to see as sarcastic. "I love it when you're mad."
/r/seduction30/12/15 09:47 PM
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Below average is probably better than none, especially for a virgin. I never managed to get something out of Tinder, even when they told me I had the best opener, even when they told me I was funny, even when I followed every rule, getting number, being direct... Nothing. I just gave up and I will not try that again.
/r/seduction27/12/15 07:07 PM
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0 because I'm a pussy. Even women in the club notice me having flirts. I never tried going for the next step and I should try it but I always think about my premature ejaculation when I know it COULD get down. Yes for real, I hate it. Meh.
/r/seduction20/12/15 02:48 PM
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If a woman asks you to bring her home after clubbing, is that a sign of interest? Or are they just looking for a taxi most of the time? Yesterday this girl just kept trying but I really did not want to just take her home, being a taxi. Saw her walking(!) away with another dude though so my loss probably?
/r/seduction19/12/15 10:09 PM
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Best way to handle these kind of comments and are they signs of interest?: "Where is your girlfriend?" "You seem to have a lot of girls around here who are interested hmm?"
/r/seduction16/12/15 06:21 PM
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You start to sound like Elliot Rodger. Listen, I am 26. I also feel like I wasted my youth. But now I'm working on it. It is easier than you think. Work on yourself. Go the gym. Take salsa dancing lessons. The combination of these 2 made me so so so much more confident. DO IT. I still play video games now and then, that is okay. But maybe there are better things you could do? Try to learn a language, painting, reading... whatever.
/r/seduction16/12/15 11:00 AM
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Not OP but I've been in OPs position a few times already... How would you plant the idea of going to her place into her mind? Or isn't that even necessary? Can you be direct about going to her place? If I go out, I always go out in another city that's at least 1 hour away. Worst thing, the girls I've had fun with are almost always from another city also which are even further away from my place.
/r/seduction02/12/15 10:30 PM
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I kind of stopped with going for numbers. I had too many negative experiences to go for more numbers. It did not matter if I was direct or not. Actually, I'm always direct and I hate texting. So that's why I try to go for it right away. No bullshit. But to - at least - me it was wasted time. Will read this later for sure and will edit this reply for feedback!
/r/seduction28/11/15 02:24 AM
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This. That is why I SOMETIMES(!) hate the "confidence is everything". Looks aren't everything, but it makes everything easier.
/r/seduction22/11/15 11:11 PM
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Dancing is one my strongest points. It's because I forget everything and I don't care about what other people think when I dance. The first thing you need to do is... dance. They need to see that you can have fun by yourself. I've been called a dancer a lot of times so you need to be lucky to have some "natural talent" for it. But having fun is the most important thing. From there it is easy. Whenever you get eye contact, just hold it while keep on dancing. Do a funny move towards her. Check out…
/r/seduction18/11/15 03:22 AM
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I think this is the only answer you need. I've been there before a few times also. You've had this connection, you had a good time, everything almost seems too perfect. And then the next day they are a different girl. Since this weekend I stopped caring about getting numbers in a club. I will now try to go for fuck closes only.
/r/seduction16/11/15 01:59 AM
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Thanks for sharing your experience. I am going out tonight and tomorrow. I will report back. Let's see if the f-close will happen. Because those girls will not spend time with you for nothing. Their friends will not just give you the approval signs for nothing.
/r/seduction13/11/15 07:31 PM
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Nice to see this reply. I almost gave up on women because of this. Getting numbers is nothing. Especially at a club. To me at least. I've had several occasions where there was a lot of talking, dancing, touching and there was a connection. Then I got their number without them hesitating. I messaged them and I was direct. But they just flaked right away. Again, this is my experience. And I think I will not ask for numbers in a club again. Like Worf said, I think their mindset changes the next mor…
/r/seduction13/11/15 04:44 PM
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This is going to sound like a stupid question but... how risky is oral sex actually? I love going down there.
/r/seduction12/11/15 06:43 PM
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I lost the compilation video of RSD Tyler where he does this. Was outside though, not in a bar. I can't find it anymore argh, was a very very nice video.
/r/seduction11/11/15 11:51 PM
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Try salsa dancing.
/r/seduction10/11/15 11:24 AM
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Dude, she was riding you? wat PS: I was in the same situation but I was already at her home, she was dry humping me and moaning. I started over analyzing and thinking again so I even fucked that up. Worse, she invited me for a second time because she wanted a massage again.
/r/seduction04/11/15 08:14 PM
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Tell her you will show every corner of your bedroom. Then when you get home you actually show her all the corners.
/r/seduction04/11/15 08:09 PM
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It should work if you had eye contact. Edit: my experience btw
/r/seduction04/11/15 08:07 PM
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I'd love to try this. I might even try it this weekend and next weekend. I love the concept behind it. Mindfucking is the funniest thing to do. For example, I'm a nightclub photographer and when I take pics of chicks (I do the quickscope method, so I just snap at the right moment, I hate posed pics) and a lot of them come with the "I'm not photogenic!" excuse. I always reply with: "yes, I know". It's amazing to see how they are silent for 2-3 seconds and see their faces thinking "wait, what did …
/r/seduction04/11/15 08:02 PM
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Wow, wanted the same advice, but I did not want to create a thread in here, because it's not really seduction related ish. But yeah, I'm pretty confident now, I can go to parties alone and dance without feeling awkward (I get "are you a dancer" a lot). I'm social. I know about fashion and I'm pretty fit. I know how to make people laugh... I go out in Amsterdam a lot but I'm not from Amsterdam though. I'm also a nightclub photographer who "is not like the rest" (I've been hearing this a lot also)…
/r/seduction31/10/15 04:10 PM
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Just talk man. Say you have talked to everyone except for her or something, that you totally forgot her, whatever. Something funny.
/r/seduction29/10/15 01:38 AM
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Eczema played a big part. Being "unlucky" with a lot of things in life.
/r/seduction29/10/15 01:35 AM
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Good for you my man. I'm 26 and I've only had sex with one girl. So you're way ahead. Keep it up.
/r/seduction26/10/15 12:25 AM
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I'm still learning and very new to this so you might disregard this. But I'm sure everyone in here will tell you that YOU should come with the exact place and time for a date. Don't ask unless they tell you they can't on that certain date/time. Then ask when they are free. I've been trying that though... but to no avail.
/r/seduction26/10/15 12:24 AM
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I gave up on Tinder for the second time a while back. They told me I had the best opener and was the funniest dude they have matched with. Didn't get too many matches, though the #/match ratio was pretty good. Same story with yours. I haven't managed to get a single date out of it. Real life it is for me.
/r/seduction26/10/15 12:10 AM
2

Don't start about them cues. Once a girl was grinding on top of me and I was still over thinking, over analyzing the situation. Really, that was the dumbest thing ever.
/r/seduction22/10/15 02:27 AM
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If she is shy, perfect.
/r/seduction22/10/15 02:23 AM
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Definitely. I once was invited for a movie night at a chicks house and I had no idea what to expect. This was a new experience. I just thought she liked me as a good guy but she really got aroused at one point. I did not fuck because, again, new situation which made me insecure.
/r/seduction22/10/15 02:22 AM
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Maybe this? Jog next to her, but in a funny way, then say hi when you have eye contact, turn around, jog backwards and then say something funny, stick out your hand to introduce yourself. I suck at this tbh
/r/seduction22/10/15 02:18 AM
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I just gave up on asking numbers for a while. Same problem, even if I am direct and come up with a place and time to meetup. The only thing left to try is to set up the date BEFORE asking their number. You have to plant the idea in their head, that they came up with the idea to give their number. This is what I will try with the next girl I am interested in. For example: "I really think we should do x sometime", "I want to see you again so let's do x". With x being something she mentioned like d…
/r/seduction20/10/15 05:27 PM
2

If this happens to me, I think I will say this: "We can be friends as long as you introduce me to women."
/r/seduction15/10/15 10:42 PM
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I've been liking younger girls lately. 18-21 mainly. 26 myself. I am having the feeling that it has to do with "catching up".
/r/seduction13/10/15 08:32 PM
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Good post. And made me feel like shit again. This girl invited me for a movie (I kept denying the fact that she just wanted sex) and she starts to get closer, laying her head on me eventually (I still think "oh she thinks I'm a nice guy!"), let's me massage her, even her butt. Yes I even f*cked this night up. Worse, she invited me again a few days later because she wanted some "massaging". Still, nothing. I definitely learned from that, I hope.
/r/seduction13/10/15 08:28 PM
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This could have been easy mode for you actually. As long as you learned from it, you're good. PS I've had this a few times in the club and I f*cked up major. Or maybe I wasn't interested enough. Or too drunk.
/r/seduction13/10/15 08:22 PM
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I gave up on Tinder. 2 times. I managed to get numbers in less than 10 messages but it did not matter at all. I came up with a "date", got their number but I never actually met a chick of Tinder. It's ridiculous. I just gave up. Once I got their number it was game over or something. I know what you mean. I hate texting also. Real life conversations are easy for me, so that is why I tried to set up something in less than 10 messages. My openers worked like 99 out of 100 times. I have heard "wow t…
/r/seduction07/10/15 01:45 PM
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Fake it until you make it can go horribly wrong when things get to close and are new(!). Personal experience here. This girl got really really interested in me after I talked to her for 10 minutes. I was actually talking with a good friend of hers. I don't have problems with talking and flirting. But then she invited me for Netflix and chill and I had no idea what the fuck was happening, she was on top of me, dry humping me. I shut myself down by over thinking, over analyzing the situation and t…
/r/seduction06/10/15 11:25 PM
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May I ask you if you've had lack of success with women (or anything else, may it be work related like finding a job)? I know how you feel. I used to over-analyze A LOT when younger. I still do. Now I still do it when something happens but the final outcome/verdict is not what I had hoped for. For example with women: I seem to be doing great, she seems interested, there is kino, there is some laughing etc etc etc... But then it does a 180 and somehow somewhere I fuck up. Or talk with my (girl) fr…
/r/seduction06/10/15 12:50 AM
1

No idea. When she slaps, grab her arm, step towards her, really close, look in her eyes and say "come on, harder, I like it". With a smirk, sexual face? Not sure. Just trying to come up with something fam.
/r/seduction05/10/15 11:16 PM
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Weird people are weird. Look into her eyes the next time she says it with a "I know you're bullshitting me" face. Or tell her you like it when she is mad at you.
/r/seduction05/10/15 11:11 PM
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Good for you brother. Nice! I wish it was that easy for me. I even take pics at nightclubs. I dance with chicks. I make them laugh. But I always fuck up. Last time there was this pretty nice girl I danced with. "Oh anon, you're a dancer right?". I always hear that. Later she asks me where the after party is. I tell her that I don't know because I'm not from that city but that she should come up with something. So she says "sure, let me check if I can set something up". I see her 15 minutes later…
/r/seduction05/10/15 11:06 PM
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/thread /post /whatever
/r/seduction01/10/15 05:54 PM
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The difference between you and me is, that I don't see them anymore. I know how you feel tho.
/r/seduction24/09/15 08:25 PM
1

This. Women also are extra sexy/nice towards bouncers.
/r/seduction22/09/15 09:31 PM
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I'd say don't even try it. I fucked up major with a super hot girl, my "neg" was more of an insult I think. Still mad at myself.
/r/seduction22/09/15 09:30 PM
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Same here, struggling hard with this. Kind of done getting numbers as it leads to nothing. They are interested in me, give me their number and then it's GAME OVER. The last thing I'll try before giving up is setting up the date BEFORE getting her number. I never tried that. If that does not help, I give up.
/r/seduction22/09/15 09:28 PM
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Salsa dancing?
/r/seduction20/09/15 08:54 PM
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It really amazes me how MANY of the points I read on Seddit (especially the ones you TL;DR'd) I am already doing! Like the Micro Commitments. The kissing also, I already do that stuff, the pushing away with a smile like "oh oh man, what are we doing" and making the "no" movement. The age example also. And that is just this post, like I said, a lot of stuff on here is not new to me. Yet I fuck it up somewhere. I hate texting tho, that is most def my weak point. I do try to be direct, I come with …
/r/seduction19/09/15 03:14 PM
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What does Seddit think of negging and just joking around? (was drunk, stupid me) Apparently I fucked it up with a very very beautiful girl. And that I manage to fuck this up, really makes me sad and the feeling of regret is just overwhelming. Outside the club I walked over to her and said, "Where is the after party?". Told me I could come with them, so I did. We talked, laughed, hold her hand. Wrapped my arm around her and then I said "Oh, you're kind of a fatty" while pinching her sides (can't …
/r/seduction19/09/15 02:03 PM
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Thanks. The problem is I do what you do. I want to hang out, I tell them. I ask them what their week looks like. This girl gave me a few options so that's when I said "Cool, I want to go bowling with you Xday night". That's when she started giving me the excuses and her idea to go to the cinema. Whatever, maybe this one was the "Nextflix and chill" type, which I also accept. But sometimes it's very hard to read what the hell they want. Especially this one. Anyway, this applies to Tinder and real…
/r/seduction16/09/15 09:20 AM
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Dude, I have the EXACT same problem. Exact. In person I'm really good. I can make people laugh. I am confident. I walk around with my head up, I smile. I dance (one of my strongest points, I always hear at least once "are you a dancer?") in clubs and I don't care what people think. I can have fun by myself. But I hate texting and that is why I like being direct, no bull. The advice here is "make sure you come with a place and time". But that is exactly what I do. It's making me tired also, I'm r…
/r/seduction16/09/15 09:09 AM
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I know I fucked up, I was curious when to drop a woman. And I tried to come with plans 3 times but it did not work. That is why I almost agreed with the cinema because at that point I already tried a few times.
/r/seduction15/09/15 08:55 PM
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Last Friday I had to take pics in a nightclub and I was dancing with one very pretty girl. We had a lot of fun and I got the approval of her friends, clearly. Just looked at them and they all laughed and made the "go for it" face. I've been having that a lot lately but I tend to overthink things... Great, will most def keep in mind. I at least tried to convince her it would be fun but to no avail.
/r/seduction15/09/15 08:01 PM
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Good one, thanks. I understand. Like the "bowling with rails" thing, I tried to make sure we would be having fun anyway, even when the people are looking. I said something like "At least we are having fun". Maybe should have said "But I'm sure we would be having more fun than those other people". Something like that?
/r/seduction15/09/15 07:00 PM
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Great advice thanks. The playful thing is a good point. Maybe add an emoticon/smiley. Now you put it down like that, it makes it even suck more, because in person I am actually playful. That is why I hate texting, some things may come across wrong. Will def think about this. I deleted everything though, so I can't look back on my mistakes. :/
/r/seduction15/09/15 06:58 PM
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Not sure why I read that wrong. Thanks.
/r/seduction15/09/15 03:28 PM
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Edited, changed it to tomorrow night. The problem is, I already mentioned the time and place the first time. The bowling. Yeah I see, the being busy part was wrong. But now I also see it would have not made a difference. Will keep in mind though. Yes, you're right. Deleting her number after I'm done typing. They seem interested in the first place but as soon as you get their number it's game over. (In case of real life, in person situations). I know getting a number does not mean anything though…
/r/seduction15/09/15 03:27 PM
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Oh man I know how you feel, exactly. Sucks. Last time it happened was last Friday when 2 hot girls were interested in me. I was dancing with one of them and I told her I had to walk another round (I'm a nightclub photographer) and she replied with "Yeah sure, I'll be right here". I guess I took too long (I had a few drinks) and she was damn gone. All I do the next 2 days is thinking about how I f'd up. What I should have done. Sometimes it even makes me feel sick. Really stupid.
/r/seduction14/09/15 10:47 PM
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This. But I have trouble setting something up. Even if the girl HERSELF wants me to ask for her number. (For real, this happened 2 days ago, she was interested, her girl friends confirmed) So now I have her number but she is very slow with her replies. I have only got 5 messages and I want to set something up. I can guarantee you it won't happen. It never happens. I am very direct and I hate talking via the phone, I'd rather do it in person. Trying to set something up in less than 10 messages is…
/r/seduction14/09/15 12:04 AM
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Same here. Get number, game over. It's weird af. I am ready to give up. It seems like the moment they give their number, back in their head they are thinking "oh shoot what have I done".
/r/seduction10/09/15 12:47 AM
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I know how you feel. I hope you will do better than me because after that there is another level of bs. Because I'm exactly like you. I can talk. I can make them laugh. I used to be very very insecure. 25 years old now and got my first girlfriend at age 22. Since then my self-esteem skyrocketed. But I'm still stuck at the next level. I've got a few numbers this year but I haven't managed to set something up. Not one of them. I've got numbers in person and Tinder. But it seems like as soon as I g…
/r/seduction09/09/15 11:18 PM
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