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| 5 | Men are better equipped than women to deal with all sorts of situations and better able to adjust, which is a sign of intelligence.People downvote when they disagree. I agree it's not nice when you're on the receiving end, so I'll make the effort. I feel that you're not really parsing "Women are better equipped than men to deal with all sorts of situations and better able to adjust" properly. "All sorts of situations" here does not function as a scope-limiter. Indeed, the point here is that she's saying that women are able to cope with "all sorts of situations" because they are "better able to adjust". Just in case that's s… | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 09:15 PM |
| 7 | Response to Stollznow Accusations • History and Timeline of False AllegationsI was wondering when this stuff would show up on here. It's been on my radar for a while, but I've been hesitant to post about it for lack of detail. Currently, Stollznow has a $54,555 war chest, courtesy of everyone's favourite feminist/skeptic/atheist community, to defend herself against the defamation suit filed by Radford on the 17th February this year. Perusing the site linked by the OP, it seems Radford has some pretty strong evidence she has falsified the dates on the emails for the purpo… | /r/MensRights | 03/04/14 07:45 PM |
| 9 | A critique of Hannah Rosins the End of MenWord to the wise: this is a review from an establishment feminist, with a career heavily invested in the acceptance of the feminist narrative. Nothing wrong with that, of course (or, at least, there wouldn't be if people with other political views were allowed to sustain careers in academia), but you're only going to get a different set of selectively interpreted evidence from Cohen, not an objective critique (if such a thing is even possible?). For instance, you get sentences like the following… | /r/MensRights | 01/04/14 10:16 PM |
| 3 | Janice Fiamengo Live at Queen's University"Before I ask my question, I would just like to issue the following mantra that doesn't make me look at all brainwashed? I'm white, I'm straight, and I'm male? I just want to acknowledge that that gives me so much privilege that other people don't have? Like the honour of uptalkingly prostrating myself before the women I pedestalise in the vain hope that I'll one day be considered one of 'the good ones'? Anyway, here's my question? Why didn't you address my-particular-pet-issue-that-would-requir… | /r/MensRights | 01/04/14 01:27 PM |
| 7 | It just seems hopeless sometimes.Don't get upset. Just laugh. I mean, how can you not laugh when you read comments like this?: All the guys coming out with these dumb reasons why woman shouldn't get paid as much are misogynistic imbeciles. Women have the same working brains as you do and are pretty much capable of doing most jobs. I'm not sure I could say the same for men. Still not quite the gold standard of contradicting oneself in one sentence, but doing so in two sentences is still pretty impressive. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 01:39 PM |
| 9 | 1 page of my assigned reading for a required class. Apparently, being a housewife is comparable to being a "prisoner in a Nazi concentration camp."It's on p.3 of Feminist Theory: From Margin to Center: [TFM] remains a useful discussion of the impact of sexist discrimination on a select group of women. Examined from a different perspective, it can also be seen as a case study of narcissism, insensitivity, sentimentality, and self-indulgence, which reaches its peak when Friedan, in a chapter titled "Progressive Dehumanization," makes a comparison between the psychological effects of isolation on white housewives and the impact of confinement… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 12:10 PM |
| 2 | 'Domestic violence happens to men too – and they must talk about it' | Ippo Panteloudakis.Yeah, thanks for this. I'm just reading what Brian Dempsey has to say about it. I consider myself corrected. | /r/MensRights | 17/03/14 08:24 PM |
| 3 | 'Domestic violence happens to men too – and they must talk about it' | Ippo Panteloudakis.Really pleased to see this in the Guardian. Just a reminder to anyone in the UK that the Men's Advice Line is there, and it's got a good rep from what I hear. The reality on the ground is that there aren't a great deal of refuges or shelters out there if you're experiencing domestic abuse/violence, BUT they can help you in terms of getting the local authority to provide something (as they have a statutory duty to provide). | /r/MensRights | 17/03/14 02:59 PM |
| 6 | Pro feminist blog equates anti-circumcision to male privilege, says circumcision isn't mutilation, calls you a sexist and whiner for saying otherwise. O, and it's a "body positive" blog.Because you can't justify the thought that "the vast majority of them are like that". That's the basic problem. All you can do is note, as I have on my travels, that pretty much every time a feminist says s/he's not like that, it turns out they bloody well are. But even then, that's still just my subjective experience, and is prone to confirmation bias, selection bias, etc. I would say: simply stick to making clear that it is your opinion, based on your subjective experience. Thus, the relevant … | /r/MensRights | 14/03/14 12:43 PM |
| 7 | Slate columnist admits that there are men's rights issues that probably should be discussed, but that he can't be bothered to form an opinion on MRAs.I found his answer both wishy-washy and yet still wrong. Look at this bit: I am familiar with the fact that a number of dudes out there feel themselves categorically oppressed, and I have the sure sense that a number of people with whom I generally tend to agree about things regard these dudes with a combination of sadness and spite, and I have been ambiently encouraged to believe that the movement in question is defined by the grotesque rhetorical excesses of its biggest creeps. Seriously, who … | /r/MensRights | 13/03/14 12:44 PM |
| 0 | "Feminism is not 'the f-word'" (x-post from /r/feminism) reeks of desperation from a dying movement, imoYou should watch this little clip from this video. You can actually hear someone say "burn your bra", and someone pouring lighter fuel into the trash can. If I were a betting man, I'd guess that some bra-burning took place! | /r/MensRights | 11/03/14 05:27 PM |
| 3 | Found this interestingIt's not a legit quote, in case you're interested. It was actually said by a white nationalist called Kevin Strom. Incidentally, Voltaire didn't say "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" either. The misquote actually comes from a book called Friends of Voltaire, by Evelyn Beatrice Hall. I remind people of Abraham Lincoln's immortal words at his first NASCAR rally: Never trust quotations from the internet. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/14 07:33 PM |
| 1 | Saw this linked on Facebook, "5 Things More Likely To Happen To You Than Being Falsely Accused Of Rape" How would you address this?Was literally just coming here to link that. It's a good piece, isn't it? | /r/MensRights | 05/03/14 01:18 PM |
| 7 | SOS-"No, I Will Not Take the Men's Rights Movement Seriously"Well, only 1 of the 3 quotes I looked at was a fair quote. But that particular one was so bad that I'm still inclined to agree with you. It was a very stupid and offensive article, not to mention just plain wrong, the one on the 'etiology of rape'. | /r/MensRights | 02/03/14 08:17 PM |
| 25 | SOS-"No, I Will Not Take the Men's Rights Movement Seriously"Those quotes are not cherry-picked or mined from some deep dark corner, they are commonplace in the manosphere to the point of dullness. Forgive me if I don't take your word for it, Lindy. So let's have a look, shall we? In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month. I'd like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women – to beat the livin… | /r/MensRights | 02/03/14 08:14 PM |
| 11 | “Advice” For “Nice Guys” (NoH) - Feminist Critics critiques a man-hating articleCuriously, David Wong showed a very similar attitude recently on Reddit in response to this quite wonderful comment on AskMen talking about his own struggles as a man working with kids. When you read other things he's written, a picture does start to develop, and I think ballgame nails it, as he often does, in his comment that: [Wong] enshrines as his ‘hero philosopher’ a shallow, greed-driven, narcissistic, homophobic asshole who clearly hates men (i.e. Blake, the Alec Baldwin character from Gl… | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 07:00 PM |
| 0 | "I really wish /r/mensrights was more about spreading knowledge and less about complaining about feminists. If people could have a constructive conversation about these things, we might be able to remove the stigma behind men who have been raped."Thats why they chuckle at male suicide figures What? | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 09:01 AM |
| 8 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.Yeah, I'd agree with this. I think it's of fundamental importance to draw a distinction between historical feminism and contemporary feminism. It's quite arbitrary (where is this line drawn? 1990? 2000? 2010?), but it's a simple idea that people can understand so that they can grasp the sort of 'anti-feminism' that's found within the MRM (and even here it's far from universal, this 'anti-feminism'). | /r/MensRights | 22/02/14 09:30 PM |
| 93 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.It was in 2001. Here's a reaction piece from the Guardian, which is pretty below-the-belt stuff, attacking Lessing for being old, in essence, and claiming that there was now a hip young generation who didn't mind being wolf-whistled at by builders (I kid ye not). This was before anyone had heard of Valenti, Bates, Banyard, Filipovic, Watson, Sarkeesian, etc., of course. It's definitely an article of its time, when internet feminism hadn't developed into the click-bait vehicle it is today. | /r/MensRights | 22/02/14 08:41 PM |
| 116 | Women can't be sexistFair enough. I'm just trying to keep people honest. | /r/MensRights | 18/02/14 11:02 PM |
| 164 | Women can't be sexistWomen control 80% of consumer spending, therefore holding more economic power than men. FYI. | /r/MensRights | 18/02/14 10:11 PM |
| 4 | Are men more competitive than women?Worth reading the paper, I'd say. I did see one potential weakness with the study. They used a sample of 52 women and 28 men, which they got by asking for people's participation in the first place and getting them to show up at a later location. Note that for the Masaii, they got 34 women and 40 men. And here's the problem - how do you know that there aren't reasons why the more competitive men would have been absent from the study in the first place? There are all sorts of possible confounders … | /r/MensRights | 15/02/14 02:28 PM |
| 22 | Some hillarious self contradiction from the group that just got Oddfuture refused entry to New ZealandEven if you ignore the fact that men are more likely to face violence than women and only use gynocentric definitions of 'sexual assault' as your yardstick, you still end up with a ratio of around 8:1. That's a little bit different from the elephant:ant ratio of 1,000,000,000,000:1. I'd have to check with a statistician, but certainly 8:1 looks a bit different to 1,000,000,000,000:1 to my inexpert eye. | /r/MensRights | 13/02/14 11:37 AM |
| 2 | If rape numbers include attempted rape, do "forced to penetrate" numbers include attempts as well?God-damnit. I always get that acronym wrong. You know what's really absurd? I checked it at the time, and I still got it wrong! NISVS NISVS NISVS. Nissvuss. Right, it's getting locked in this time. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/14 08:38 PM |
| 10 | What is the leading reason you became a men's rights proponent?a part of destroying the feminist movements strangle hold on gender issues. That's a really nice way of putting it. The aim is not to destroy feminism; it's merely to clip its wings. Force it into being accountable by destroying its monopoly power. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/14 04:54 PM |
| 13 | What is the leading reason you became a men's rights proponent?I guess you could see it that way. Personally, I think there's a bit of a difference between plagiarism/womanising and taking money to support shaming young men into being machine-gun fodder. The most obvious difference is that people died as a direct result of their actions. That's not a flaw, in my opinion. To me, that's a damning indictment of the suffragette movement, one that Sylvie Pankhurst (who I genuinely do think was a hero) had the courage to recognise at the time. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/14 04:51 PM |
| 12 | What is the leading reason you became a men's rights proponent?Where could you possibly have gotten the idea that feminists want young men to be sent to war and die? The suffragettes, still widely regarded as proto-feminist heroes (hence the relevance), did. Read the words of Christabel Pankhurst herself: War was the only course for our country to take. This was national militancy. As Suffragettes we could not be pacifists at any price. Mother and I declared support of our country . . . . We offered our service to the country and called upon all members to … | /r/MensRights | 12/02/14 04:15 PM |
| 2 | If rape numbers include attempted rape, do "forced to penetrate" numbers include attempts as well?It's 'made to penetrate', and yes. See p.17 of the NIPSV. It's simply that they don't separate out the figures when they collate the information, from what I can see. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/14 10:27 AM |
| 23 | Huffington Post reporters discuss James Taranto's article, bursting into laughter at the idea of a man NOT being considered a rapist if two drunk people have sexIt's incredible how deep the pattern of "Man = actor; woman = acted-upon" goes. People commenting can't even understand the point he's making, so thoroughly convinced are they that (het) sex is something a man does to a woman. For this picture of woman-as-passive to be coming from feminists is especially maddening. It's stuff like this that guarantees that women are viewed as the second sex, you desperately silly people. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/14 10:32 PM |
| 3 | Is the imprisonment, shackling, caging and threat of sexual torture of young boys a Mens/Boys Rights Issue? My link on this topic was removed by this subreddit.Here is the logical form of your argument (here I'm using 'V' as the universal quantifier, everything else should be fairly self-expalanatory). A men's rights issue is a human rights issue. (Vx)(Mx -> Hx) What is happening to the Palestinian boys is a human rights issue. Hp What is happening to the Palestinian boys is a men's rights issue. Mp The logical form of your argument is then A -> B, B, therefore A. This is a formal logical fallacy knows as 'Affirming the consequent'. Compare: All rain i… | /r/MensRights | 11/02/14 09:00 PM |
| 1 | Is the imprisonment, shackling, caging and threat of sexual torture of young boys a Mens/Boys Rights Issue? My link on this topic was removed by this subreddit.Apologies. What I wrote clearly does imply that you only linked to the content without adding a comment. You're quite right to pick me up on that, because you did focus the issue in your comment. However, you also set the title as 'Israel imprisons, shackles and cages young Palestinian boys', which surely you must see is virtually guaranteed to create drama? It's a red rag to anyone who'd want to defend the Israeli state against such allegations. That's going to create non-MR drama, isn't it? Su… | /r/MensRights | 11/02/14 12:35 PM |
| 7 | Is the imprisonment, shackling, caging and threat of sexual torture of young boys a Mens/Boys Rights Issue? My link on this topic was removed by this subreddit.The relatively obvious point here is that this will simply get subsumed under the Arab-Israeli conflict narrative. The risk is that posting it here will simply create flame wars and people won't focus on the aspect you're talking about. Remember if you simply link to content, people are free to pick up on whatever they like. Now, it would be great if people focussed on the MR issue, but they don't always. There's one hell of a lot of trolling in here, one ought to remember. As sillymod explained… | /r/MensRights | 11/02/14 11:41 AM |
| 5 | The majority of child abuse is committed by women, mainly mothers.Well, it depends on the relevant rates. There's no evidence here that women pose a greater risk to children than men because it's not controlling for access. You'd also need to control for other factors, such as income, state support, etc. If women are more likely to be left 'holding the baby' in low-income situations, it's not really a shock that women turn out to be worse carers, because we know that lower-income people make for worse parents (purely at a group level, I should stress - obvious… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/14 06:31 PM |
| 5 | The majority of child abuse is committed by women, mainly mothers.From p.x (or p.12 of the pdf): Women comprised a larger percentage of all unique perpetrators than men, 53.8 percent compared to 44.4 percent; To be sure, it's still misleading if presented as a naked fact without putting it into context, because women are more often the care-taker, so you'd expect them to be the majority perpetrators of abuse and neglect. However, it ought to give some pause to those inclined to believe in the 'women are wonderful' trope. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/14 02:04 PM |
| 8 | One of the best critiques of anti-pornography feminism ever written...Have you read Nadine Strossen's Defending Pornography? Here's a couple of nice bits: Dworkin, MacKinnon, and their allies still maintain respect for women's equality, as they envision it, and for women's safety. Their proposed censorship regime thus is predicated on a double standard: that they can withstand the alleged pernicious influence of exposure to pornography, but others cannot. As noted by writer Cathy Young, cofounder of the Women's Freedom Network, there is a striking parallel between… | /r/MensRights | 09/02/14 12:51 PM |
| 19 | Hello. I am a woman, mother of 3 and cardiologist who works with the American Heart Association. I need to share a little information about feminism and medical politics in the United States. (xpost /r/self)#IBelieveHer ;-) | /r/MensRights | 08/02/14 10:06 PM |
| 1 | Anybody else see this? I'm kind of impressed.Yeah, OK, I can see that. | /r/MensRights | 08/02/14 10:01 PM |
| 1 | Anybody else see this? I'm kind of impressed.If there isn't an argument on the table that is to be rejected on account of some property of the author, it's not ad hominem. It's just abuse. Read this if you want. | /r/MensRights | 08/02/14 09:59 PM |
| 1 | Anybody else see this? I'm kind of impressed.Really? I thought it was a very lazy article, full of snideness and without terribly much content. Where there is content, it's sometimes straightfowardly wrong: Also we need to stop saying that MRAs are MRAs because they can’t get laid. That is an ad hominem, and using a logical fallacy to make your argument should embarrass you, your parents, and every teacher you’ve ever had. No it isn't. An ad hominem is whereby one attempts to move from "The person who wrote X is ..." to "X is wrong." It is… | /r/MensRights | 08/02/14 10:21 AM |
| 3 | Why Go Red for Women is a GOOD thing.Appealing to people's desire to help women doesn't help the men's movement. If anything it helps to lock us into the same gender roles many of us are trying to escape. I always thought, "helping women helps men" was a feminist argument anyway, even if it is true in some situations. This is a very good point, and normally I'd be with you on this. But the key difference here is that it's countering an overly gendered message (i.e. that heart disease is for men). This is different to the situation … | /r/MensRights | 07/02/14 11:33 PM |
| 4 | Why Go Red for Women is a GOOD thing.Well, you caught me napping there. C'mon Google, help me out. There is a relationship with age, apparently, but it goes in the wrong direction. The odds of it being a woman given that they have an MI but don't present with chest pain is higher for younger women, but goes down with age. It should be noted, however, that the authors of the study don't recommend changing the public health guidance: Further research is needed to enhance the current understanding of underlying pathophysiology and pot… | /r/MensRights | 07/02/14 11:22 PM |
| 4 | Why Go Red for Women is a GOOD thing.It's there on the website. Also on this page: Fact: Sixty-four percent of women who die suddenly of coronary heart disease had no previous symptoms. Because these symptoms vary greatly between men and women, they’re often misunderstood. Media has conditioned us to believe that the telltale sign of a heart attack is extreme chest pain. But in reality, women are somewhat more likely to experience shortness of breath, nausea/vomiting and back or jaw pain. Other symptoms women should look out for ar… | /r/MensRights | 07/02/14 10:21 PM |
| 2 | Why Go Red for Women is a GOOD thing.There's another relevant piece of information. It's a good cause in its own right to make people aware that women often present with atypical symptoms of a myocardial infarction (heart attack). This could genuinely save lives - the message needs to get out there that women don't necessarily feel the usual tightening around the chest. They can feel it in their shoulders, their abdomen, or even in their neck and jaw. The key things to look out for are dizziness, nausea, breathlessness, and any sor… | /r/MensRights | 07/02/14 10:09 PM |
| 3 | UK politicians demand action over dearth of female scientistsmaybe it's just a ruse, made to sound palatable by using the standard 'help women' tack, to make a more competitive market... That's what I'm suggesting. I should stress, I don't know what I'm saying is true: I'm giving my opinion, my interpretation. But to my mind (such as it is!), it makes one hell of a lot more sense than the explicit justifications that are put forward. | /r/MensRights | 07/02/14 01:38 PM |
| 5 | UK politicians demand action over dearth of female scientistsI've no idea. It's usually at this point where people, having just forgotten that they'd previously said that there are no significant differences in male and female psychology, maintain that bringing in more women increases diversity, and this is good because people think in different ways. Note, however, that if you think about it in terms of suppressing wages, recruiting more women makes complete sense. Suppose that only around 25% of your population even have the raw ability to make it in ST… | /r/MensRights | 07/02/14 01:20 PM |
| 15 | UK politicians demand action over dearth of female scientistsThe report is ridiculous. Look at this: Simply put, the UK economy needs more skilled scientists and engineers and this need will not be met unless greater efforts are made to recruit and retain women in STEM careers. Yet from the very same report, we read: Academic research careers are competitive and many men and women do not reach senior positions. Dr Bryn Jones, Visiting Fellow at the School of Physics, University of Bristol, stated that “we train a very large number of people to PhD standar… | /r/MensRights | 07/02/14 11:04 AM |
| 4 | “Feminism” is not a dirty word - Liam Scott provides a male perspective on men's rights activists and the line between activism and sexism (article is absolutely full of lies as usual)My favourite definition of feminism comes courtesy of Nigerian author Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie. In her TED lecture, We Should All Be Feminists, she defines a feminist as “a person who believes in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.” By this definition, it would be absurd for a person to voluntarily reject the label. Yet many men still do. This is due to an underlying false dichotomy between feminism and masculinity, as if choosing one erodes the other. More 'dictionary fem… | /r/MensRights | 06/02/14 09:46 PM |
| 10 | "The rape culture discourse is premised upon an entirely false view of women as innocent, defenceless victims and men as predatory, potentially violent rapists."Different 'theorists' have different readings on what 'rape culture' is all about. It's the old sword-fighting a fart problem. It's so poorly-defined that it's impossible to argue against. But, in any case, here is one influential (abridged) article on the topic by Dianne Herman. Go to p.49. Her essential idea is that a 'rape culture' is one in which sex is linked to violence, and men are 'performing' sexual aggression against women, who are 'performing' sexual passivity: American culture produc… | /r/MensRights | 05/02/14 06:51 PM |
| 21 | "Ryerson administration has confirmed that the university will be absorbing the cost of the additional security for the February 6 CAFÉ event..."Good on you, Sheldon Levy. This is hopefully a gesture that will be appreciated even by those who dislike the MRM, but value freedom of expression. | /r/MensRights | 04/02/14 10:01 PM |
| 3 | Jessica Valenti's latest piece signals that feminism is officially overYou're right. When he responds to Gjenganger at 19, he says: You misunderstand me. I also fully support the right of those who want to argue in defence of Allen as being innocent unless proven guilty. But that isn't the appropriate contrast. The appropriate contrast would to be to say "I believe Woody Allen is factually innocent." That to me is just as unacceptable as saying "I believe Woody Allen is guilty". | /r/MensRights | 04/02/14 06:24 PM |
| 2 | Jessica Valenti's latest piece signals that feminism is officially overIn both cases, it would make no difference. I don't alter my opinion of people based on accusations. I alter them based on what is shown to the satisfaction of a jury in a court of law. I'm weird like that, I guess. | /r/MensRights | 04/02/14 05:49 PM |
| 3 | Jessica Valenti's latest piece signals that feminism is officially overI'm not sure I understand the question. What sort of choice could I possibly make that would have an influence on Woody Allen's life? He still hasn't responded to my last letter. | /r/MensRights | 04/02/14 05:12 PM |
| 1 | Some convincing proofThey're in the FAQ. The best resource is probably The CONSAD report from the Department of Labour in 2009. But a more easily-digestible one is the Politifact one. | /r/MensRights | 04/02/14 04:22 PM |
| 22 | Jessica Valenti's latest piece signals that feminism is officially overPierce nails Valenti's crass and irresponsible article, so I won't add anything on that. I want to talk about some the comments, because a pernicious false dichotomy is in operation. Note that there are three possibilities whenever you hear an allegation of a crime: Believe it. Disbelieve it. Neither believe it or disbelieve it. If you read the comments, it's obvious that some people think that simply not taking the first option is equivalent to taking the second. Someone called 'Adam' left this… | /r/MensRights | 04/02/14 01:52 PM |
| 5 | 'MRAs stay away,' there is 'no debate to be had'....Worth repeating: As soon as you assert that a topic is beyond the reach of reasonable discourse, it is exactly the time that it is necessary to question it. Why is this, one might wonder? Here's an argument I favour - it's because of the frailty of human psychology. We all tend to use 'anchor and adjust' cognitive mechanisms. Once that anchoring belief has been set down, it is hard to deviate very much from it. The only way meaningful change in one's overall cognitive system is possible is by ex… | /r/MensRights | 04/02/14 12:07 AM |
| 13 | 'MRAs stay away,' there is 'no debate to be had'....I see what you're saying, and I agree that that is a perfectly reasonable interpretation of what she writes. But look at what she actually does. It's not as if she then links to these facts and figures that supposedly make things obvious. On your reading, she would surely put some effort into making the act of questioning the 'core premise' look ridiculous. But she doesn't do that. She asserts that questioning the premise is ridiculous, and from there it is a corollary or a consequence that the … | /r/MensRights | 03/02/14 05:22 PM |
| 115 | 'MRAs stay away,' there is 'no debate to be had'....As women’s activists, we know there is lots of debates to be had about feminism, but none of them should involve questioning the core premise; that women are fundamentally unequal in our society. My goodness, she is arguing that this pivotal assumption of feminism should be treated quite literally as sacred. And at a university at that! That makes me feel so sad, it really does. To have closed your mind so completely at a university seems to me unforgiveable. | /r/MensRights | 03/02/14 02:26 PM |
| 7 | When women shout down good advice on rape, no one is safe | The Sunday TimesVery nice comment in general, and I'm pleased you felt able to comment here without worrying about being downvoted. I think your point that slutty clothing is not an invitation to grope or be overly insistent (harassment) is a good one. I think you somewhat over-egg the pudding, however, with this bit: i think the tension about this issue also has a lot to do with the implications of comments like "she (or he) was asking for it," because of what people often associate with "deserving" it. Honest… | /r/MensRights | 02/02/14 11:35 PM |
| 1 | The 18 year old girl who hit and killed 2 kids in a pile of leaves, then drove off and covered up the evidence will not serve any jail time. Her boyfriend on the other hand gets prison time for helping to cover up the evidence.Cheers for this. That's a good link, and I thus withdraw the claim about there being no evidence for it. There's clearly some evidence, just not very good evidence (after all, he's just supplied the reason why he'd lie about it under oath - to protect his sister). | /r/MensRights | 02/02/14 09:29 AM |
| 3 | Guardian SJW Gender-Polices, Nerd-Shames and Plays The "Man-Child" CardIncidentally means that your subject is "incidental" to the main topic under discussion. Which is also what 'by the way' means. Hence that weird thing of me saying that. If you actually look it up in a dictionary, you'll see that 'by the way' is listed as a synonym. If you're going to be a condescending arse, try to at least be right first. But even better would be not to be a condescending arse in the first place. Correcting someone's grammar/vocab in an online forum is the public-schoolboy equ… | /r/MensRights | 02/02/14 08:29 AM |
| 4 | Guardian SJW Gender-Polices, Nerd-Shames and Plays The "Man-Child" CardI ain't your son, pops. ;-) | /r/MensRights | 01/02/14 10:34 PM |
| 1 | Guardian SJW Gender-Polices, Nerd-Shames and Plays The "Man-Child" CardYeah, I saw that. Using 'incidentally' (which is basically just another way of saying 'by the way') is bad. Or should that be 'problematic'? If it wasn't the Guardian writer himself, you really would just think 'troll' and move on. What an absolute arse! | /r/MensRights | 01/02/14 10:11 PM |
| 1 | Domestic Violence: Men Vs. Women. Read this and tell me what you get out of it?Yet men made up nearly 40 per cent of the victims | /r/MensRights | 01/02/14 01:16 PM |
| 1 | The 18 year old girl who hit and killed 2 kids in a pile of leaves, then drove off and covered up the evidence will not serve any jail time. Her boyfriend on the other hand gets prison time for helping to cover up the evidence.None. There's no criminal negligence involved. It's just a tragic accident. | /r/MensRights | 01/02/14 01:14 PM |
| 20 | Guardian SJW Gender-Polices, Nerd-Shames and Plays The "Man-Child" CardI think it's somewhat ironic that 'progressives' point to the whiteness and maleness of this very broad thing called 'geek culture' since it seems likely to me that it is in part their actions that have meant that white boys and young men have sought out this sort of escapism. If you continually demonise and shame 30-40% of your population for something they have no control over - i.e. being white, being male, it's hardly a shock that many of them are going to find sanctuary in sub-cultures wher… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/14 12:27 PM |
| 3 | The 18 year old girl who hit and killed 2 kids in a pile of leaves, then drove off and covered up the evidence will not serve any jail time. Her boyfriend on the other hand gets prison time for helping to cover up the evidence.You've made some stealth edits to your comment, I notice. For that alone you deserve downvoting to oblivion. As I recall, you initially indicated you agreed with Funcuz, and there was no "(probably)" after that. Funcuz states this: I just happen to agree that the greater crime here was trying to hide her guilt. The kids were hit and that's terrible but it wasn't on purpose or due to recklessness. So initially you seemed to have no problem with your lack of access to the court transcript. Now, af… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/14 11:54 AM |
| 4 | The 18 year old girl who hit and killed 2 kids in a pile of leaves, then drove off and covered up the evidence will not serve any jail time. Her boyfriend on the other hand gets prison time for helping to cover up the evidence.Involuntary manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought, either express or implied. Note the bit 'unlawful' in there. It's not unlawful to drive through a pile of leaves on the street. Unless you can demonstrate she was driving recklessly or without due care and attention, it does not meet that standard. | /r/MensRights | 01/02/14 11:28 AM |
| 1 | The 18 year old girl who hit and killed 2 kids in a pile of leaves, then drove off and covered up the evidence will not serve any jail time. Her boyfriend on the other hand gets prison time for helping to cover up the evidence.It wasn't manslaughter; it was a tragic accident with a very small element of recklessness/anti-social behaviour (driving through the leaves deliberately). The crime was in not stopping at the scene of an accident. | /r/MensRights | 01/02/14 11:05 AM |
| 3 | The 18 year old girl who hit and killed 2 kids in a pile of leaves, then drove off and covered up the evidence will not serve any jail time. Her boyfriend on the other hand gets prison time for helping to cover up the evidence.Indeed. As the driver, it's primarily her responsibility to stop at the scene of the accident. Note that the 'bump' was loud enough that the father heard it from inside the house, and they clearly were anxious enough about it that the brother immediately returned to the accident on his bike. Her story about assuming it was a rock simply isn't credible. Even if you think that it was probably a rock in a residential area (because residential areas are obviously full of rocks on the road?!), you st… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/14 10:57 AM |
| 22 | The 18 year old girl who hit and killed 2 kids in a pile of leaves, then drove off and covered up the evidence will not serve any jail time. Her boyfriend on the other hand gets prison time for helping to cover up the evidence.The guys, in their effort to protect her, convinced/forced her to go alone with covering up the crime and evidence. I'm not sure what the point is of talking about what might have happened. There's no evidence for this, so why even bring it up if not to rationalise her actions? It's not even a very good rationalisation. One of the things we say to children is "If he told you to jump off a cliff, would you?" I find it absurd that we don't expect the same from adult women. Did you know she also li… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/14 10:50 AM |
| 10 | "But what pisses me off even more than the scumbags who take advantage of someone’s baby girl are the people who will prey on my fears with false statistics and outright lies in an attempt to scare me into donating money. "It's the very next sentence that works for me: That way of spreading awareness may work in the short-term, but in the long run you simply end up with folks who will not believe anything you say, because your platform is built on a lie… Just think of all the zombie factoids feminists have come up with over the years: 1 in 4 women will be raped. Women are paid 77% of what men are paid for equal work. 1 in 3 women suffer from domestic violence. 90% of the world's poorest people are women. The convi… | /r/MensRights | 31/01/14 10:23 PM |
| 4 | A history of ad hominem gender shamingIsn’t this just old heteronormative, patriarchal gender policing wrapped up with a new progressive ribbon? Yes. Ally, here's a clue: 'progressives' don't believe the stuff they say they believe. They pretend to believe it, but you only need to observe what they do when they lose their rag to see that they're full of it, and will indulge in every bit as lazy gendered stereotypes such as slut-shaming or loser-shaming as the next person. The real purpose of this stuff is moral credentialing - peopl… | /r/MensRights | 31/01/14 04:45 PM |
| 13 | In light of Obama's referencing the skewed stat of "women earn 77c on the dollar", can we get some links for the studies that refute that?Technically, he doesn't actually make a false statement there. It is true that, as a median measure, women in the US earn 77% of what the median man earns. The problem is that his next two sentences are a non-sequitur: That is wrong, and in 2014, it’s an embarrassment. A woman deserves equal pay for equal work. Note that the clear implication is that women don't currently receive equal pay for equal work. But that is not shown by the median statistic, since the median man and the median woman do… | /r/MensRights | 29/01/14 07:36 PM |
| 0 | This is all too much...Well, it's just tradcon stuff, isn't it? People ought to be free to adopt this sort of way of life if they want. Personally, I wouldn't want such a girlfriend, but I doubt there will be gnashing, wailing, and rending of garments along The Strand at that news. Denmark Street or Gerard Street, sure, but not The Strand. That's crazy-talk. | /r/MensRights | 29/01/14 02:04 PM |
| 6 | The Case for Censoring Hate Speech [if it affects women]As usual, the fantasy persists that you can get rid of the 'hate' speech without, by the same action, getting rid of controversial speech. You can't! It's like saying you can exterminate the entire wasp population without thereby killing off huge numbers of flower species. I find it adorable that people are so trusting of corporations and governments that they believe those institutions won't use this power to silence people inconvenient to their interests, but I for one am not that trusting. Le… | /r/MensRights | 28/01/14 04:19 PM |
| 37 | I've got to vent. Fuck the day and age we live in where every male is a child rapist. (xpost from r/parenting)The comments are still very much stuck at the level of 'Ah, this sucks'. That's not good enough. This stuff needs to change. It is disgraceful that men are being treated like this, where the hysteria has even got to such a point that airlines have explicit policies not to set unaccompanied children next to men. There's this general attitude of 'Why would a man want to spend time with kids?' Are you kidding? It's FUN you bigoted freak! I love pissing around with kids. They haven't had their spiri… | /r/MensRights | 28/01/14 01:01 PM |
| 15 | Here is the TEDx Talk I did about men's rights and gender equality. let me know what you think!It was an excellent idea. Narratives work; statistics don't. Involving the audience as you did was also a nice trick. I really mean it when I say that your presentation was really good. And you're so young! I'm well jeal', as they say round my way. Did people talk to you afterwards? What were their responses? It sounds as though you got a good reception, but I'm curious as to whether anyone responded in person. | /r/MensRights | 28/01/14 01:04 AM |
| 25 | Here is the TEDx Talk I did about men's rights and gender equality. let me know what you think!Awesome stuff. Your presentation style is very effective as well. Small criticism - please be aware that men who are raped do have protection under the law in the UK. The relevant offence is 'Causing sexual activity without consent'. The sentences for aggravated offences are the same as for rape, but the sentences for non-aggravated offences are lower than for rape. It's still something that needs changing, but it's not quite as bad as you make out. | /r/MensRights | 28/01/14 12:46 AM |
| 2 | Found in /r/ twoxchromosomes "a friend posted this on my FB wall, and i'm having trouble coming up with a counterargument. help?"One other point by way of advice. If people are arguing this issue, leave abortion out of it. It just throws people off, and everything gets sidetracked. It's much simpler than that. Pose the following thought-experiment. She's just given birth. What are her options should she not wish to be responsible for the child? She can give it up for adoption, or she can leave it at a safe haven. What are his options should he not wish to be responsible for the child? Oh, he doesn't have any... This is a … | /r/MensRights | 28/01/14 12:27 AM |
| 2 | Found in /r/ twoxchromosomes "a friend posted this on my FB wall, and i'm having trouble coming up with a counterargument. help?"It's all a bit confusing. As far as I can tell, many in the twoX thread seem to have completely misunderstood the argument in the link. There wasn't any suggestion in the original article to get rid of women's veto power over their own bodies (and thereby choose abortion if they so wish). They did indicate they were against abortion, but that wasn't playing a role in the argument, which was Steven Hales'. The relevant idea of 'walking away' was simply not having a legal obligation through mere b… | /r/MensRights | 28/01/14 12:15 AM |
| 3 | studies showing that male scientists get offered more money for a job than female scientists, that scientists are more likely to be willing to mentor a male student than a female student, and that a mYes, that's how insurance works in general, but there are limits. There are restrictions on what an insurance company is allowed to ask, much like hoteliers aren't allowed to check your sexuality and stuff like that. For instance, health insurers in the US are not allowed to screen for genetic diseases precisely because of the sort of argument I've laid out. Also, with car insurance, it's changed quite recently in the EU. They've made it illegal to charge different premiums based on gender. | /r/MensRights | 27/01/14 11:34 PM |
| 3 | Conflating feminism with radfems/feminazisHmm, that's an interesting viewpoint... Though you could also argue that it's the men who are causing the conflicts in the first place. Well, you could, but I'd simply respond with the same question: which men? If Boris picks a fight with Colin, what has that got to do with Danny? If Boris conscripts 1000 men, and Colin conscripts 1000 men, and the 2000 men go at each other on Boris and Colin's behalf, do those 2000 men bear the responsibility, or is it still Boris and Colin to blame? Also, the … | /r/MensRights | 27/01/14 09:23 PM |
| 4 | Conflating feminism with radfems/feminazisWhich men? It's easy to throw 'middle eastern men' under the bus in a bid to prove you're one of 'the good ones'. The reality is that, all across the Middle East are a series of shitty regimes for both men and women, typically run by a tiny cabal of extraordinarily rich men, and aided by the twin evils of our addiction to oil necessitating propping up corrupt regimes and religious dogma used by those corrupt regimes to consolidate and maintain power over a relatively ignorant population. And you… | /r/MensRights | 27/01/14 08:10 PM |
| 2 | So I've been banned from /r/Feminism..You're missing the point. If I put forward the idea that we live in a 'man-hating culture', and it turns out that what I mean by it is that "a small minority of people criticise men in the following ways: X, Y, Z...", you can hardly blame other people for reacting to 'man-hating culture' bit, rather than listening patiently to my explanations. I've called my ideas by a stupid name, and I bear responsibility for that choice. | /r/MensRights | 27/01/14 05:47 PM |
| 2 | So I've been banned from /r/Feminism..You make it sound as if feminists had no responsibility whatsoever in coining the ridiculous phrase 'rape culture' as their own. People can hardly be blamed for hearing that phrase and assuming it means what it would mean for 'X culture' - a culture in which X is generally accepted. If feminists don't want to be straw-manned, maybe they shouldn't use ridiculous phrases in the first place? They're straw-manning themselves to some degree. | /r/MensRights | 27/01/14 04:45 PM |
| 2 | Turns out I am not a real manNot to mention she immediately mentions fingering. Surely, by her own lights, fingering would be a complete waste of time? Going from memory, the research on 'G-spots' shows that only around 1/3 of women even have a G-spot, and those that do have it roughly three inches in. Why do most women enjoy vaginal sex? It's a good question, this, but it's probably because they're still being clitorally stimulted. The clitoris as an organ actually goes a fair way inside the body, and the general moving ar… | /r/MensRights | 27/01/14 10:41 AM |
| 1 | Equal Opportunity Objectification? The Sexualization of Men and Women on the Cover of Rolling StoneUg, what a horrible study. So many issues with it... What are the controls on the researcher such that, if you got a load of different people in, they'd code the covers for sexualisation in the same way? A different researcher could well get completely different results for all we know. What justifies the weighting they give to each particular parameter? Why is the mouth so important, for instance? What justifies assertions like this: "Images that scored a ‘‘2’’ on this measure were overtly pose… | /r/MensRights | 26/01/14 10:53 PM |
| 6 | Rand Paul: 'If There Was A War On Women, I Think They Won'If you follow the link for "Men out-earn their female counterparts by 33 cents on the dollar nationally", it gives you the 77c factoid: On Tuesday, the Census Bureau released new numbers showing that the gender wage gap was 77 percent in 2012, meaning women make just 77 cents for each dollar a man makes. I'm trying to think where they got 33c on the dollar from. There's no mention of 33 anywhere in that link. It's not the reciprocal (men earn $1.30 to women's $1). I think it may be simply that t… | /r/MensRights | 26/01/14 07:45 PM |
| 1 | studies showing that male scientists get offered more money for a job than female scientists, that scientists are more likely to be willing to mentor a male student than a female student, and that a mIt's the fallacy by composition to say 1/3 of those women don't pose that risk so we should treat them all as if they don't pose that risk. You're not asking them to be treated as individuals either if you advocate they not be assessed by that very real risk. The argument is that you don't know who that 1/3 is, and tarring them all with the same brush will create injustice to that 1/3, whoever they are. There is no fallacy of composition there. | /r/MensRights | 26/01/14 05:26 PM |
| 1 | studies showing that male scientists get offered more money for a job than female scientists, that scientists are more likely to be willing to mentor a male student than a female student, and that a mExcept you're not vetting individuals at all here. There's absolutely nothing in this that suggests treating them as individuals at all. You're simply applying a group demographic to individuals as if the risk spread evenly amongst the members of the group. This is a fallacy of division. The truth is that you don't know the risk any given individual presents. | /r/MensRights | 26/01/14 10:03 AM |
| 2 | studies showing that male scientists get offered more money for a job than female scientists, that scientists are more likely to be willing to mentor a male student than a female student, and that a mOnly if there isn't another alternative, which is to ignore gender as a valid consideration altogether. You know, like we're arguing in terms of the injustices of the family court system... We're there arguing that the Courts shouldn't be allowed to judge fathers based on the historical tendency of people who abandon their children being overwhelmingly male. Should the gender of the plaintiffs be taken into account in terms of this particular risk assessment? Or would that be sexist discriminati… | /r/MensRights | 26/01/14 12:59 AM |
| 9 | Femnazi logic: want your fellow sisters to rally to the cause? Insulting everything they have ever achieved'll do it!It's odd, though. It's pretty clear from the comments that people are only objecting to her being bigoted about other women. All of these were from popular comments: Actually, equality will truly be attained when women stop doing this kind of bullshit to each other. This is a problem when women degrade other women. Men do that enough, there is no need for women to do the same. You belittle yourself, and women everywhere, by deciding what they 'should' and 'should not' feel successful about and d… | /r/MensRights | 26/01/14 12:29 AM |
| 1 | studies showing that male scientists get offered more money for a job than female scientists, that scientists are more likely to be willing to mentor a male student than a female student, and that a mInteresting response. The way the legal system works, though, is that anyone found guilty has to be assumed by everyone to be guilty of that crime. As soon as you start second-guessing the criminal courts, you're in trouble. After all, you could pretty quickly argue that you can't jail anyone since you're running the risk that they're not in fact guilty. It's probably the biggest reason why there is (or at least used to be) a strong presumption in terms of letting the guilty go free rather than … | /r/MensRights | 25/01/14 09:03 PM |
| 3 | studies showing that male scientists get offered more money for a job than female scientists, that scientists are more likely to be willing to mentor a male student than a female student, and that a mHaving a criminal background is not a demographic. I'm talking about attributes over which people have no control. In any case, I would still say 'yes', but mainly for pragmatic reasons as opposed to principled ones. The whole point about 'serving your time' is that your debt to society has been paid (if it doesn't, why are we locking people up for different lengths of time? Why not simply put all criminals in jail for life?) One of the biggest problems with recidivism is that criminals can't re… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/14 08:43 PM |
| 0 | studies showing that male scientists get offered more money for a job than female scientists, that scientists are more likely to be willing to mentor a male student than a female student, and that a mReality often is unfair. So that's not really much of an argument. So what are you doing here? What could you possibly say to someone who said "Oh men are treated unfairly. Boo hoo. Let me taste your salty man tears?" Don't you get it? The whole point of wanting to raise men's issues is because they represent injustices! If you choose not to regard women's legitimate expectations (rights) within an advanced industrial democracy as legitimate, you have no basis for complaint when other people dis… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/14 08:43 PM |
| 2 | studies showing that male scientists get offered more money for a job than female scientists, that scientists are more likely to be willing to mentor a male student than a female student, and that a mYeah, but what fair means? Equality at the cost of the employer's? Yes! If the employer wishes to employ people, they should do so in a fair way or not at all. Human beings are human beings with rights (c.f. the name of this sub-reddit), not 'human capital'. | /r/MensRights | 25/01/14 06:18 PM |
| 1 | studies showing that male scientists get offered more money for a job than female scientists, that scientists are more likely to be willing to mentor a male student than a female student, and that a mWell that I certainly agree with. Nonetheless, it's important to be clear about the principles behind what we're doing. Without an idea of what one's wants to achieve - fair equality of opportunity - it's impossible to measure whether any given policy is successful or not. | /r/MensRights | 25/01/14 05:49 PM |
| 0 | studies showing that male scientists get offered more money for a job than female scientists, that scientists are more likely to be willing to mentor a male student than a female student, and that a mWell, yes, but see my other reply. The thought goes the other way as well. If you're prepared to tolerate unfairly discriminating against women who intend to remain childless on the basis of their membership of a demographic over which they have no control (i.e. being female), then you have no basis for complaint about 'tell men not to rape' and 'Schrodinger's rapist'. It's all wrong for the same reason - it doesn't treat people as individuals, but as defined by arbitrary demographics. | /r/MensRights | 25/01/14 05:32 PM |
| 3 | studies showing that male scientists get offered more money for a job than female scientists, that scientists are more likely to be willing to mentor a male student than a female student, and that a mWell, that's an interesting issue. I'm not sure I agree with the injunction not to ask about child-rearing plans, but I'd need to think about it some more. In any case, that still doesn't justify sexual discrimination. | /r/MensRights | 25/01/14 05:23 PM |
| 5 | studies showing that male scientists get offered more money for a job than female scientists, that scientists are more likely to be willing to mentor a male student than a female student, and that a mBut that's acceptable, because he has given them that information and he is being treated as an individual. He's just an idiot for volunteering this information! If, however, his name was 'Steve', and the employer took it upon themselves to decide everyone called Steve secretly harboured an ambition to bugger off after two years, that would be unfair discrimination. | /r/MensRights | 25/01/14 05:22 PM |
| 4 | studies showing that male scientists get offered more money for a job than female scientists, that scientists are more likely to be willing to mentor a male student than a female student, and that a mThis means that 65% of the female population that could be applying for jobs represent a significant risk of loss of productivity. Well, OK, let's go with that number (I want to quibble over what you could possibly mean by an unconscious intention, which strikes me as oxymoronic, but I'm not going to argue the point). That still means that you'll be treating over 1/3 of female applicants unfairly by prejudging them. So what's the moral of the story here? You don't say, except something along the… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/14 05:18 PM |
| 2 | studies showing that male scientists get offered more money for a job than female scientists, that scientists are more likely to be willing to mentor a male student than a female student, and that a mThat's a rather heart-warming thing to see. What she did took a lot of courage, I'd say, so good on her. I desperately wanted to upvote, but I felt like I probably shouldn't. You've obviously got a nice way of discussing with people so that you don't get their backs up. Not sure I've ever managed that! ;-) | /r/MensRights | 25/01/14 03:03 PM |
| 16 | studies showing that male scientists get offered more money for a job than female scientists, that scientists are more likely to be willing to mentor a male student than a female student, and that a mTrue, but they really oughtn't. That's the whole point about discrimination. You can't pre-judge any given applicant on the basis that they're female, as it's unfair. Just because women are more likely as a group to represent a wasted investment in terms of training, doesn't mean that it's fair to treat someone on the basis of their belonging to that demographic. (Note that this perspective is unavailable to people who don't agree with liberal, individualist values. If, for instance, you are the… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/14 02:39 PM |
| 2 | Why Men Love Reddit: Speaker says /r/MensRights is "active and trollish". Passive accusation that "some people don't think it's my place as a woman to talk about [reddit]"The child porn bit makes me think poe, to be honest. | /r/MensRights | 25/01/14 10:10 AM |
| 11 | Why Men Love Reddit: Speaker says /r/MensRights is "active and trollish". Passive accusation that "some people don't think it's my place as a woman to talk about [reddit]"At 2:50: I've realised that, simply by virtue of being a woman, talking about Reddit is probably going to annoy some people who don't see it as my place as a woman to talk about what is their space. Or perhaps it has nothing to do with your sex, and it's just because you're the kind of person who makes unfair, contemptuous generalisations about entire sub-reddits, and people don't appreciate that? Here's an idea - try pretending to be a man and act in the same covert-aggressive, snarky manner an… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/14 10:03 AM |
| 2 | "Nice Guys of Ok Cupid:What has MR got to do with it? These are just random guy's comments they made with some expectation of privacy. They have been taken off and used to publicly shame and humiliate them. Their comments are often quite douchey. That pales into insignificance compared to the bullying behaviour meted out to them. If women got treated like this, there would be outrage, not snarky dog-piling on men who have already been treated like dirt rather than vulnerable young people. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/14 02:44 PM |
| 2 | Proof women have taken over, IMOI'm afraid not. It was a straw poll carried out by a magazine. It doesn't 'prove' a single damn thing. It doesn't even sample the magazine's readership that accurately because you're still only getting the people who respond, let alone sample the general population. Incidentally, the magazine in question, More, is now defunct. It was a magazine aimed at teenage girls, and if I know teenage girls, they're much like teenage boys in that they have a tendency to pretend they're more sexually experie… | /r/MensRights | 23/01/14 01:03 AM |
| 1 | As far as we can tell, amongst the world's poor, women are about as equally represented as men - UNICEF - Report (page 22)I'll always try to be polite to you, lokidemon, demonicbtch, proudslut, etc. Just by posting here, you earn my respect, because it can be the proverbial lion's den sometimes round here. If I might try to summarise what you're saying here, you're saying that listening to people's experiences and trying to collate them into an overarching narrative has a role. It was all we had before more scientific and analytical techniques came to the fore, and it didn't serve us so badly. As such, you regard i… | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 04:47 PM |
| 1 | Suck It UpI think that's a plausible description of what could be going on. I especially agree with your criticism of this horrendous capitalist idea that if something is not paid, it is not valued. To my mind, it couldn't be clearer just how much value society places on parenting, and mothering in particular. That people seem to think that the absence of a formal salary for these important roles (mother and father) means they are not valued is more than an error - it is a repulsive reductionist mantra th… | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 03:52 PM |
| 2 | As far as we can tell, amongst the world's poor, women are about as equally represented as men - UNICEF - Report (page 22)I'm not 'assuming misandry'. I'm arguing that she's being irrational. It's pretty simple - don't form strong beliefs without sufficient evidence. It's OK to have hunches, but there's a difference between that and holding something true. It's kind of understandable where she got the idea. And it's proof that there's more going on with her, then you've admitted, that she's able to admit her hypothesis was flawed, after she tested it. Of course it is understandable. It's understandable that people … | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 01:19 PM |
| 5 | Sunrise host David Koch blows up over 'demeaning' Mamamia postWhat is more demeaning to women, a bit of banter on TV, or people alleging that Armytage doesn't know her own mind and is some helpless victim? Tangentially, I think people need to remember that pole-dancing is now a type of dance in its own right. You get pole dancing techniques in all sorts of performances now because the addition of the pole allows for some truly breathtaking acrobatics. See, for instance, this amazing performance on Ukraine's got talent. It's sexual, yes, but there are obvio… | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 11:54 AM |
| 15 | Nature (#1 world scientific journal) publishes editorial that questions the value of woman quotas in science. Feminists attack and Nature apologizes.The letter in question: The publication of research papers should be based on quality and merit, so the gender balance of authors is not relevant in the same way as it might be for commissioned writers (see Nature 504,188; 2013). Neither is the disproportionate number of male reviewers evidence of gender bias. Having young children may prevent a scientist from spending as much time publishing, applying for grants and advancing their career as some of their colleagues. Because it is usually women… | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 01:49 AM |
| 8 | Suck It UpI don't think it's a bad idea to be 'nit-picky' about a crucial concept like knowledge. It's not exactly like correcting someone's spelling, is it? | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 01:23 AM |
| 3 | Suck It UpIn truth, that probably should have occurred to me, as follow-up 'replies' are pretty common. Whoops. Sorry about that. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 01:18 AM |
| 10 | Suck It UpWhich would be a good response if he weren't making a knowledge claim. We don't know anything of the sort, and it's ridiculous to say otherwise. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 12:59 AM |
| 5 | Suck It UpThe behaviour in question is that of the person who made a daft claim about women's capacity for empathy. I've said nothing about whether women should empathise (or at least attempt to empathise) with men's issues. I don't really see where you got that impression from, in truth. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 12:54 AM |
| 12 | Suck It UpThe existence of outliers does not disprove the general case. True, but one needs to establish that the general case is the general case before one can justifiably call other things 'outliers'. One cannot simply baptise such cases as 'outliers' and expect to convince anyone. Women do not reciprocally give in male friendship situations. Similarly, this is a strong claim. Where is the evidence for it? | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 10:49 PM |
| 17 | Suck It UpHis first error was to ever overtly look for sympathy from a woman (women). We already know women lack the capacity for empathizing with the male experience, but sympathy is another side of the equation. Do we? Funny, because the many women involved on here seem to be able to do that. I agree it's hard to empathise across genders, but that goes both ways. Even in the most ‘emotionally evolved’ women, by order of degree, Hypergamy is always testing for male fitness in order to assess whom she wil… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 09:31 PM |
| 1 | As far as we can tell, amongst the world's poor, women are about as equally represented as men - UNICEF - Report (page 22)There's nothing wrong with being wrong. Rationality doesn't guarantee correct beliefs - see, e.g., Ptolemaic astronomy, or Phlogiston Theory. The problem is the process of belief-formation. There are good ways of doing it and bad ways of doing it. A bad way, for instance, is to simply listen to whatever people named 'Colin' think. Another bad way is to think about what chimes with your experiences (because of confirmation bias). A good way, however, is to suspend belief one way or another until … | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 04:33 PM |
| 1 | As far as we can tell, amongst the world's poor, women are about as equally represented as men - UNICEF - Report (page 22)Another nice link. I thought this comment from someone called Clare was interesting: Many of us, myself included, have a strong belief that all aspects of poverty – income, assets, education, everything, are defined by gender inequalities. But most of our information on that is based on anecdotal or case study evidence not large data sets, because the data is generally pretty poor. So here comes some data – albeit imperfect – that sets out to test this belief empirically in relation to just one … | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 02:34 PM |
| 1 | Torture and the feminist corruption of human rights groupsYeah, I admit I'm extremely disappointed in Amnesty International [AI]. I wouldn't be as vociferous as the author here, as clearly AI does lots of sterling work completely unconnected to this gender stuff, but it does seem to be the case that they've unwittingly adopted a rather toxic brand of feminism in some of their material. Why? Well, I think it may have something to do with the way that 'charities' these days are run like modern businesses. It's more accurate to call them 'not-for-profit b… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 12:21 PM |
| 10 | As far as we can tell, amongst the world's poor, women are about as equally represented as men - UNICEF - Report (page 22)Thanks for this. I've got a couple of points to make. The first concerns the logical consistency of that section. When examining the percentage of females across global income distribution quintiles, we find that the dispersion is, in fact, nearly equal, with each income quintile containing about 20 percent of the global female population. Given that the female-to-male ratio was about 1:1 as of 2007,6 this comes as little surprise. This finding remains unchanged even when further restricting the… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 12:01 PM |
| 3 | Australian women lament the drought of eligible men.The serenity... | /r/MensRights | 19/01/14 10:46 AM |
| 7 | 'You Can't Have a Conversation About Sexism at Gunpoint 'If you note, also - the tone of the article is such that responses to it, both there and here, are measured. At the time of my writing this, no one on here has had an unkind word to say about the author. So I would praise the author, Megan McArdle, for writing like this. All too often, the dynamic is rather the following: Writer, who just happens to be a woman, writes a load of crap in an inflammatory way. Many (though rarely most) comments are equally crap and inflammatory. Writer only notices … | /r/MensRights | 15/01/14 02:12 PM |
| 2 | Can we have a discussion about this and what your view is?I think it's more likely obesity is taking its toll, to be honest. BMI and sexual dynamics have strong associations - people with higher BMI have less sex amd enjoy it less. People who lose weight have more sex and enjoy it more. The UK has become a very fat society over time. It's odd Wolf doesn't consider this. It seems like the obvious explanation to me. | /r/MensRights | 15/01/14 01:37 PM |
| 4 | Equality: A Step Down for Women? [Tom Golden, Men Are Good]This is a superb little video, and beautifully narrated. It's simple enough for university-educated idiots in their 20s to understand, but complicated enough to raise awareness of male disadvantages for those who have a bit more wherewithal and a feeling for complexity. It doesn't have any hostages to fortune in terms of deterring people who would otherwise be sympathetic to the MRM, which is another advantage. And Tom's 'men are good' line is so beautifully simple, but so perfectly says what ac… | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 02:12 PM |
| 21 | Male studies in academia about to be scrapped as feminists fight to maintain their monopoly and depraved ideology.I sometimes wonder if there's any criticism of feminism that hasn't been described by some feminist somewhere as a 'backlash'. It's such an obvious bit of rhetorical trickery. Did Maynard-Smith experience a 'backlash' when he put forward the gene-centred view of evolution? Did G.E. Moore experience a 'backlash' when he argued that the good is indefinable? This is sophomoric nonsense. If you're a genuine academic with an interest in the truth, you expect criticism; you don't fear it. (Indeed, mos… | /r/MensRights | 12/01/14 06:38 PM |
| 8 | Who are more powerful, men or women? (Spoiler: I don't know)I think you just did. | /r/MensRights | 10/01/14 06:14 PM |
| 1 | One of Britain's best pro-male journalists is being subjected to unprovoked libellous abuse from radfems on Twitter.I think there's a lot of truth in what you're saying, Sasha. It seems desperately ironic that socialists adopted feminism, when it's unarguable that, since feminism's heyday, the average household now works longer hours and consumes more crappy trinkets than ever before, even sabotaging the only good things in their life with said trinkets. (I despair every time I see people with their phones out in the pub - learn to socialise, you dull bastards!) And your point about depressing wages is probab… | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 12:05 PM |
| 1 | One of Britain's best pro-male journalists is being subjected to unprovoked libellous abuse from radfems on Twitter.No you're not coming across as offensive at all. Even if you were, I wouldn't mind. It's when people have no argument that I get irritated. hat pains me however is that he's always throwing a bone to feminist ideology, he always adopts a pose of 'of course women have it worse, but hey men have some issues too you know', that ultimately renders his articles completely bloodless - they just sort of vanish without trace. But we agree on this, and 'bloodless' is a good word to describe him. I'm tryi… | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 07:58 PM |
| 11 | My female friend posted a blog, here's the text - any comments?Just on the pay gap: this is the reality, taken from the Office for National Statistics' (ONS) recent bulletin. As you can see, women outearn men in part-time work by 5%, and men outearn women in full-time work by 10%. What happens is that, if you lump it all together, you get a much bigger gap. P/T is not paid as well, and with 43% of women in P/T work compared to 12% of men, this means that you get a much bigger gap when you lump it all together because the P/T women drag the average down cons… | /r/MensRights | 05/01/14 12:38 AM |
| 2 | Boys are born to prefer dolls over masculine toys like carsPresumably they felt that the fact it was a picture rather than the real thing would dampen interest proportionally. That's a rather big assumption, in my view. I know myself I'm much more interested in things when I know I can grab them and play around with them. It may well be the same for babies. I don't know why they didn't just film the babies and present them with dolls and trucks, and then just plough through the footage. It would still have been worth doing because it was a different age… | /r/MensRights | 04/01/14 10:06 PM |
| 1 | Boys are born to prefer dolls over masculine toys like carsI don't see the need for such a silly title. Mind you, the study appears to be just as daft. From the abstract: Findings of previous studies demonstrate sex-related preferences for toys in 6-month-old infants; boys prefer nonsocial or mechanical toys such as cars, whereas girls prefer social toys such as dolls. Here, we explored the innate versus learned nature of this sex-related preferences using multiple pictures of doll and real faces (of men and women) as well as pictures of toy and real ob… | /r/MensRights | 04/01/14 08:54 PM |
| 6 | Feminists Finally Declare that ALL Vaginal Sex is RAPE. (The Amazing Atheist)Agree with you until you say this: Here is another bombshell, don't blame the victim - comes from a three stage trauma recovery process that attempts to reduce the rape victims extreme and irrational levels of self blame and personal responsibility for the event - not an attempt to absolve women of all personal responsibility. This is merely a genealogical fallacy. It may come from there, but 'victim-blaming' no longer functions in that way. When you've got people attacking Mr Deity for pointing… | /r/MensRights | 04/01/14 02:14 PM |
| 2 | One of Britain's best pro-male journalists is being subjected to unprovoked libellous abuse from radfems on Twitter.Nope. I don't think that's abuse or abusive. It's mockery of some people calling themselves MRAs. Read it carefully: there are some self-styled men’s activists who use the occasion of IMD as an excuse to bash feminism, although the truth is those guys would use the occasion of a pigeon crapping on their shoulder as an excuse to bash feminism. I don't really know what to say about 'wanking'. Are you from Britain? Maybe this will help if you're not. | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 08:32 PM |
| 3 | One of Britain's best pro-male journalists is being subjected to unprovoked libellous abuse from radfems on Twitter.I don't see any shaming in that term. It's like 'whacking off'. I don't see anything that comes close to 'being abusive' either. If you could support what you're saying with a quotation, it would help. | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 07:43 PM |
| 2 | One of Britain's best pro-male journalists is being subjected to unprovoked libellous abuse from radfems on Twitter.It's pretty similar to 'whacking off' - crude slang for masturbation. It only conveys shame if you think there's something shameful about masturbation. | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 07:39 PM |
| 2 | Penis Size Matters Say Over 80% of WomenNo. It's exactly as you say. | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 06:36 PM |
| 2 | Penis Size Matters Say Over 80% of WomenStraw poll, I'm afraid. The results are meaningless. | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 06:05 PM |
| 9 | One of Britain's best pro-male journalists is being subjected to unprovoked libellous abuse from radfems on Twitter.He responded to snark with snark (and even then, not immediately). If you want people to be polite, you have to be polite to them. If you don't mind people not being polite, go ahead and be rude to them. But you thereby forfeit the right to be indignant when they're rude back. This is known as 'dishing it out and not being able to take it' where I'm from. We're the first people to criticise women who act like turds and then damsel themselves when people respond in kind (that reminds me, I need t… | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 05:02 PM |
| 2 | One of Britain's best pro-male journalists is being subjected to unprovoked libellous abuse from radfems on Twitter.Well, OK, we've established our differing takes on the matter. Do you have the same view of Glen Poole and Greg Anderson, out of interest? Or is it just Fogg you don't like? Because they all take a pretty similar view, as far as I can see. | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 04:53 PM |
| 5 | One of Britain's best pro-male journalists is being subjected to unprovoked libellous abuse from radfems on Twitter.OK, so let's talk about that piece. How does that help demonstrate that Ally Fogg is like Hugo Schwyzer, which is the comment I was originally responding to? | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 04:45 PM |
| 11 | One of Britain's best pro-male journalists is being subjected to unprovoked libellous abuse from radfems on Twitter.Not exactly damning evidence is it? You assumed he was female, and then doubled-down instead of apologising for making a dumb assumption. He then proved your point superficial by judging him on one piece rather than taking his work as a whole, and you still acted like a dick. At that point, he returned in kind. He gave you two chances, and you blew it by being a snarky prick. I don't have even the slightest problem with that. Sorry. | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 04:13 PM |
| 8 | One of Britain's best pro-male journalists is being subjected to unprovoked libellous abuse from radfems on Twitter.Except he's not getting thrown under the bus. He's merely attracting the ire of TERFs, and TERFs are frowned upon in mainstream feminism. Everyone hates Cathy Brennan! If someone like Helen Lewis, Laura Bates, Kat Banyard, Jill Filipovic, Suzanne Moore, Laurie Penny, etc. comes out against him, that's when he's being thrown under the bus. But it's unlikely to happen on Twitter! | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 02:21 PM |
| 2 | One of Britain's best pro-male journalists is being subjected to unprovoked libellous abuse from radfems on Twitter.He does the sort of things you do to make feminists feel comfortable that he's one of the 'good ones'. Stuff like pretending a feminist has made a really good point when even if you agree with them it's utterly banal, nodding along with feminists when they arrogantly speak for all women, stuff like that. I wouldn't call it 'lying', because such sentences are not really functioning as declarative utterances. It's like saying "Oh great idea, boss. I'd never have thought of that." You're not lying;… | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 02:15 PM |
| 15 | One of Britain's best pro-male journalists is being subjected to unprovoked libellous abuse from radfems on Twitter.This is unfair. He's shown on many occasions he's responsive to the evidence, and he puts in a lot of effort responding to people and engaging with comments. He obviously does care. His reading of what's going on, however, will differ. The way you respond to that is by engaging properly, not by slagging him off. He does have a bit of a tendency to be supplicant, however, and I've seen him say stuff that he knows full well is patently false just for the sake of maintaining his rep as one of the '… | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 01:08 PM |
| 1 | Demonstrate women don't care about bodily autonomy.1 x 10-99 out of 10. | /r/MensRights | 02/01/14 09:25 PM |
| 2 | Great Discussion Between Dean Esmay, Glen Poole, Greg Anderson and Paul Elam - 'Does Anti-Feminism Help or Hurt the Men's Movement?'But it's likely there's going to be more than one thing going on here. I'm not discounting any of the things you say (and indeed I would emphasise the marriage undesirability point myself); I'm merely agreeing with the idea that the economy has to be a big part of it. | /r/MensRights | 02/01/14 12:21 AM |
| 3 | Comedy- apology by Ani Difranco after canceling feminist retreat on a former slave plantationIt gets better. Some idiot made a sock calling herself 'LaQueeta Jones' (I kid ye not) pretending to support Ani DeFranco on this, and got totally busted on it! | /r/MensRights | 01/01/14 11:44 PM |
| 3 | Great Discussion Between Dean Esmay, Glen Poole, Greg Anderson and Paul Elam - 'Does Anti-Feminism Help or Hurt the Men's Movement?'Someone linked to a relevant pdf report on this just the other day. It's well worth a read. Here it is. I don't think it's wise to ignore the economic effects. But there are nonetheless puzzles - if, as seems to be true, college education is still offering a good ROI, why are males not responding to this incentive? It's at this point that other explanations come in. | /r/MensRights | 01/01/14 11:37 PM |
| 2 | Great Discussion Between Dean Esmay, Glen Poole, Greg Anderson and Paul Elam - 'Does Anti-Feminism Help or Hurt the Men's Movement?'I'm not sure about the chronology or time-related aspects of your post. For example, it's not clear to me that it's only contemporary feminism that is (or has been) ignoring and (less often imho) exacerbating problems for men. There have always been unwarranted biases within feminism, in my view. Yeah, I'd agree with that. But that's OK in politics. You have to accept what Rawls called 'the fact of reasonable pluralism', and that you're never going to get anything in politics except points of ov… | /r/MensRights | 01/01/14 09:58 PM |
| 2 | Great Discussion Between Dean Esmay, Glen Poole, Greg Anderson and Paul Elam - 'Does Anti-Feminism Help or Hurt the Men's Movement?'I'm not sure we're disagreeing, though. As you've set it out, I want to 'destroy' feminism in its current form. But not in all forms. Think of it this way - we've had a couple of posts about the relationships thread where the guy says that he "made her" go through an abortion alone by maintaining it's a dealbreaker that he doesn't want kids. Here I want someone coming along and saying "Hang on. You're talking about an autonomous agent here with choices. You're not talking about a child; you're t… | /r/MensRights | 01/01/14 04:41 PM |
| 12 | Great Discussion Between Dean Esmay, Glen Poole, Greg Anderson and Paul Elam - 'Does Anti-Feminism Help or Hurt the Men's Movement?'This is an issue that comes up time and time again on here. Here's the way I see it (this is my opinion): Boys are now growing up without a stable sense of identity. A big part of that has got nothing to do with feminism - it's the economy, stupid. The collapse of manufacturing jobs and the move to a capital-biased economy means that the (innate?) preference men and boys have for working with things, and the preference women and girls have for working with people translates to an economic situat… | /r/MensRights | 01/01/14 02:07 PM |
| 6 | Apparently, this is an unpopular opinion I have among my female friends...but I have found this to be true most of the time. (X-post from r/AdviceAnimals)many feminists actually do claim that men are the driving force behind the criticism of female appearance. Do they? I'm prepared to be corrected on this, but it's not something I've seen very much. It's certainly not Naomi Wolf's view in The Beauty Myth, which I'd say is the canonical feminist take on the issue. In that book, Wolf locates the problem as a socially-constructed, structural issue that serves the political status quo. It's a pretty standard 'blame it on the Patriarchy' approach, and… | /r/MensRights | 31/12/13 07:31 PM |
| 4 | Apparently, this is an unpopular opinion I have among my female friends...but I have found this to be true most of the time. (X-post from r/AdviceAnimals)So what? It's still shit. Think about how much it drives you up the wall when you point out that men are overwhelmingly the victims of violence, and someone responds with "Yeah, by other men!" Logical consistency, please. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/13 06:58 PM |
| -5 | More gynocentric goodness from r/relationships. Brace your jimmies. They're gonna be rustled.I think your comments in general have been good here, especially on acknowledging the seriousness of her lies (and they are lies, just as surely as if you've cheated and omitted to mention it), but I do want to pick you up on this. He hasn't "fathered children". Most obviously, a zygote or foetus is not a child. More importantly, however, it's important to be crystal-clear about what being a 'father' is all about. You're a father when you've put in the years, not when you've donated sperm to a z… | /r/MensRights | 31/12/13 02:34 PM |
| 3 | Misandry is not feminismYes. | /r/MensRights | 23/12/13 06:43 PM |
| 8 | Misandry is not feminismFeminism is important to me because I think all girls deserve an education. Feminism is important to me because there are girls who have been raped and are not allowed to get an abortion. Feminism is important to me because I am often called a “lesbian” purely based on my attending an all girls school. Feminism should be important to the world because some people have the mindset that men are above women; and to stop this, feminists shouldn’t be thinking the opposite. It’s all about thinking of … | /r/MensRights | 23/12/13 04:07 PM |
| 2 | Feminism @ Crisis centers; a human rights violation?Is there anything to change the likelihood that 45% of shelters think pushing feminism is their primary goal? Has feminism fallen out of social/political favour? There are myriad reasons why it might be different. One possibility, for instance, is that shelters have become more dependent on governmental funding, and this would entail kowtowing to governmental demands. This could well have changed things. Or it might not. Another possibility is that feminism itself has changed, and moved more int… | /r/MensRights | 22/12/13 06:59 PM |
| 1 | Feminism @ Crisis centers; a human rights violation?Cheers anyway. | /r/MensRights | 22/12/13 06:00 PM |
| 2 | Feminism @ Crisis centers; a human rights violation?If the phenomena are unchangeable, what you've said is true. But it's practically axiomatic in the social sciences that the phenomena change, and this change can be fairly rapid. This is perhaps one of the most important differences between social science and natural science. (And arguably one of the reasons why the very idea of 'social science' is inherently confused, but that's another argument!) | /r/MensRights | 22/12/13 05:59 PM |
| 2 | Feminism @ Crisis centers; a human rights violation?That source is 25 years' old now. Also pay-walled. Do you have anything else on ideology in shelters? | /r/MensRights | 22/12/13 10:27 AM |
| 5 | The 'Men Going Their Own Way' Mystiqueruthlessly exploit your natural male superiority ? | /r/MensRights | 22/12/13 10:19 AM |
| 10 | Horrible Anti-MRA article, says that MRAs just want to rapeI think The Daily Beast one by R. Todd Kelly was probably the most damaging I've seen. You do get the feeling the writer is trying to be fair, but just sincerely believes the MRM is bad. Read how it plays to a non-partisan audience. When feminists write hit-pieces, the average, non-partisan reader will just get a "Well, you would say that, wouldn't you?" vibe. | /r/MensRights | 22/12/13 01:23 AM |
| 17 | Horrible Anti-MRA article, says that MRAs just want to rapeStart of article: If you’re unfamiliar with Men’s Rights Activists (MRA), here’s a quick overview: It’s group of very angry, heterosexual shit-stains who claim that men are actually the ones being oppressed in a world that is being torn apart by equal rights, matriarchy and serial killer feminists. End of article: My point is not that any group should be stigmatised, or their plights neglected. And that's why... you always read things through. | /r/MensRights | 22/12/13 12:04 AM |
| 6 | The high number of female teachers isn't caused by low salary or respect: the Finnish caseOK. Fair enough. Sorry if I came across as hyper-critical. | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 06:31 PM |
| 16 | The high number of female teachers isn't caused by low salary or respect: the Finnish caseOr... it could be that on average (note, we're talking about groups, not individuals), women tend to prefer jobs involving dealing with people, whereas men tend to prefer jobs involving dealing with things. You can have a big old determinist/environmentalist debate about why that is, but it does seem to be true. (pdf) | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 05:59 PM |
| 2 | Anita Sarkeesian Isn't Worth Your Attention.It's the ending where she suggests you get your family to watch the video and have a debate about feminism! Has me in hysterics every time. I seriously love that video. | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 05:29 PM |
| 2 | IamA student that hears college rape cases AMAI mostly agree with you, but I was criticising the system as it is (for example I also accepted the preponderance of evidence standard, which I find inappropriate for such matters.) implented doesn't follow the rules that define it. One aim is of course reductio ad absurdum, showing that the system can't be implemented fairly, even if we agree with the broad definition of harassment. If this is the strategy, it's quite a good one I think. Just use their definitions and show that the university i… | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 04:33 PM |
| 2 | IamA student that hears college rape cases AMAWell, I suppose by the standards of what the 'Dear Colleague' letters are saying, that is 'harassment'. But it's not anything I'd call 'harassment', personally. I'd say harassment is a persistent pattern of behaviour with the intent of annoying or upsetting someone, or where you've deliberatel ignored someone's legitimate request to leave you be (or something like that). But it has to be persistent, and it has to be intended in a negative way. We shouldn't start reasoning like SJWs and trying to… | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 01:53 PM |
| 3 | Unkind Cuts That Hurt Us AllI suppose it does mean that it's unlikely any of them will get onto the 'hot' tab. But perhaps that's how Ianafiafe wants it? It's generally the 'new' tab that has the interesting stuff, and the 'hot' tab that has the circle-jerks. | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 12:38 PM |
| 7 | Unkind Cuts That Hurt Us AllI think this is probably the best article I've read on the subject. I was especially pleased he brought up the sociological function of circumcision - to let boys know that their bodies belong to the group so that they implicitly prioritise the needs of the group over their individual needs. That's why it's so important that it is non-consensual, and that's why religious groups don't want it to be a consensual procedure undertaken in adulthood, even though that makes vastly more sense in terms o… | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 12:33 PM |
| 7 | [A small break from all the serious stuff] If you had randomly gotten a known radfem for your reddit secret Santa, what would you have gotten them for Christmas?Yes, much better to be a humourless joy-sink. | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 11:37 AM |
| 1 | Because male privilege, right?People don't understand stats, I'm afraid. People without a family history of getting Huntington's disease still think they've got the same likelihood of getting the disease as the baseline rate. If people want to look this up, it's called 'The Ecological Fallacy'. | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 11:29 AM |
| 9 | [A small break from all the serious stuff] If you had randomly gotten a known radfem for your reddit secret Santa, what would you have gotten them for Christmas?This. Or this. Or perhaps a patriotic bow-tie for their cat. Obviously, you'd need to sign the present with the disclaimer "I hereby renounce any entitlement to free sex this gift gives me under the rules of the Patriarchy." That's what an ally does. It's somewhere in one of the lists on how to be an ally, I'm sure of it. | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 11:17 AM |
| 1 | IamA student that hears college rape cases AMAYes. That's what I'm saying. But I think you need a better example, because that one seems a little ridiculous. It would hardly take long before you were became aware that that is not a way to compliment people. 'Harass' implies intent. You can't harass by accident, for instance. | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 10:09 AM |
| 3 | IamA student that hears college rape cases AMAI had this thought as well. I think forcuriou is not really thinking it through. Filing an accusation that is, in fact, false should not itself be considered an offence. Think of a case where the complainant has a sincere but false belief that they were raped. Suppose then that the accused is found not-guilty. This mathematically guarantees that the kangaroo court thinks the claim is false on the preponderance of the evidence. However, it doesn't mean they've filed a malicious report, and it's o… | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 01:29 AM |
| 4 | This is the exact same shit we bitched about a few months ago. I understand this is /r/mensrights, but this shit isn't right regardless of gender.I think it's fine to post this, as it bears on a previous posting regarding David Eckert (HuffPo), and thus means that we need to recognise that that previous posting wasn't a gendered thing. And you're right. It's not acceptable. Having said that, the reaction in the comments is most certainly gendered. Oh my goodness. If you look at the HuffPo one I linked, the joint top comment has a joke "Did they at least let him know that his prostate was healthy?" The other joint top comment says "I agree… | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 11:46 PM |
| 5 | Kate Winslet target by fathers' rights groupGood question. How about?: Kate Winslet Criticised by Fathers' Rights Group Notice that the very headline presumes that she is the object of the action, as opposed to the agent. Smacks of female hypoagency. Perhaps a more accurate headline would have been: Winslet Threatens to Sue Fathers' Rights Group Over Advert That seems to convey the most up-to-date aspect of the item, which is usually how headlines work. They announce the latest bit, and then the body will flesh out the background. | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 09:55 PM |
| 3 | Anita Sarkeesian Isn't Worth Your Attention.Silly bugger. I think most of us worked that out a long time ago. I still think her Christmas songs one is hilarious though, and I will keep on recommending it. I think I've watched it 4 times now, and I still find it funny. | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 08:56 PM |
| 2 | I'm sorry but help?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91O3wDSy_HE | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 05:41 PM |
| 12 | Kate Winslet target by fathers' rights groupLook at the language - 'targeted'. Ooooh, sinister. Except all they did is quote something she said and indicate why it's not a nice thing to say. What she said clearly indicated she disapproved of shared custody arrangements, and F4J are quite right to criticise her for that. She's an extremely rich and successful woman. The idea that she is being 'targeted' by a group whose combined wealth could well be lower than hers alone is farcical. This raises the question: is there any degree of power a… | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 01:59 PM |
| 2 | [xpost /bestof][relationships]fnredditacct comments on I just realize I'm sexist towards women. I'm going to have a daughter very soon. What can I do to stop this train of thought before she is born?I'm afraid I can't agree. This is an example of the attitude we need to combat. I appreciate the thought that one is not limited by one's gender. That strikes me as a good thing to say, and well worth emphasising. But to me that seems in tension with the idea that he should spend more time with men who don't conform to his notion of 'masculinity'. This is a postmodern feminist view of things. The idea is to 'destabilise' his conception of masculinity, and basically prise it open. That strikes me… | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 01:14 PM |
| 2 | Huffington Post: "'Men's Rights' Trolls Spam Occidental College Online Rape Report Form"Yeah, I figured it would be. I've just had a look at UK law, and it's hooey there as well. The employer need only have reasonable grounds for believing them to be guilty after an in-house investigation. But if it's concerning misconduct outside the workplace, you can't fire them unless you can mount a decent argument that it impacts their ability to do the job. | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 01:16 AM |
| 2 | Huffington Post: "'Men's Rights' Trolls Spam Occidental College Online Rape Report Form"You're somewhat loading the dice here by giving me an example in which you're telling me the person committed embezzlement as part of the thought-experiment. In the real world, we are never given such information sub specie aeternitatis. All we have are our suspicions, and the various bits of evidence available to us, from which we make a judgement as to the likelihood of their guilt. Thus, I will address this scenario if I may. Here I would say that the firm does not have the right to fire some… | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 12:45 AM |
| 2 | Huffington Post: "'Men's Rights' Trolls Spam Occidental College Online Rape Report Form"Not if the existence of that supposed 'dangerous work environment' is predicated on the premise that a crime took place. Then it seems to me that the only legitimate way to establish that a dangerous work environment is present would be by referring it to the Police and letting them handle it. But if the 'dangerous work environment' is predicated on the premise that some civil wrong that is not a crime took place, it's OK for that to be handled within the business. So stuff like sexual harassmen… | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 12:11 AM |
| 2 | Huffington Post: "'Men's Rights' Trolls Spam Occidental College Online Rape Report Form"You could well be right. The normal experience for a UK student is that it's a bit like that for the first year because you're in halls, and you do get to know the porters a bit, shall we say. However, thereafter, you live off-campus, and generally socialising takes place off-campus. The idea that the university would be involved in all that is pretty alien to me. The other big difference is that universities are very definitely regarded as institutions of the state, just like hospitals are (and… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 11:44 PM |
| 33 | The Southern Poverty Law Center blogs about the website A Voice for Male Students in their "Hatewatch" blog. The website hasn't been out for four months and its motto is "Educational Equity for Men and Boys."Good job Jonathan. I'd also note that the comments on the SPLC post are, to be frank, embarrassing. Masturbation jokes, talk of 'butthurt trolls', repeated meme of 'men's rights misogynists', "Awwww, we white males sure have it tough, don't we? Boo-hoo-hoo!", stuff like that. It reads more like SRS than a serious blog from a civil liberties organisation. Do a CTRL-F on this 'Aron' person's comments. Is this the kind of person the SPLC attracts? Yikes! And they want to criticise your tone? A tad … | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 11:32 PM |
| 2 | Huffington Post: "'Men's Rights' Trolls Spam Occidental College Online Rape Report Form"I'm sorry. I'm not getting this. I don't understand how one student's actions to another student have anything to do with the university. It doesn't appear to be part of the environment at all. I can't see how there's any case for liability except that created by all the Title IX stuff, and it's the Title IX stuff (or, more precisely, the 'Dear colleague' letters 'clarifying' it) I'm objecting to. Thank you for persevering. You have been awesome. Genuinely. But I just don't get it. I'll carry on… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 11:06 PM |
| 2 | Huffington Post: "'Men's Rights' Trolls Spam Occidental College Online Rape Report Form"Thanks for this. I'm still chewing this over. I haven't got this clear in my head yet. But I'd like to think out loud, if I may? Am I right in saying that, under US law, students are treated much like employees are within an organisation? That is, if you're a student at a university, you're a part of that university, and thus the university starts to become liable for your actions? Because I think I can understand how that might work. At the moment, what I've got is something like this - univers… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 09:44 PM |
| 5 | Huffington Post: "'Men's Rights' Trolls Spam Occidental College Online Rape Report Form"Thank you for this. Very interesting stuff. As I understand you, what you're arguing is that this system has come about as a way of pre-empting liability issues. You are saying that universities can sometimes 'know' that a person is bad news, and they are then legally culpable should they not act on that 'knowledge'. They thus have to have some sort of system for shielding themselves from civil suits. You then go on to talk about the form that might take. I'm going to leave aside as moot the poi… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 08:08 PM |
| 0 | Huffington Post: "'Men's Rights' Trolls Spam Occidental College Online Rape Report Form"Let me try again. In my comment to which you replied: Agree and disagree. You're right it needed to be protested. But at the very least people should have given them the opportunity to recognise the concern before the spamming. That's fair, isn't it? what do you think my point was? And how is your comment: The point of the spamming is to show that the form is flawed in that anyone can send reports and that they're all anonymous submissions. Therefore someone can file a report on this alleging so… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 06:24 PM |
| 9 | Huffington Post: "'Men's Rights' Trolls Spam Occidental College Online Rape Report Form"You're right of course (and incidentally I'm upvoting all your posts, and wish to thank you for contributing). But your point makes the situation even more absurd to my mind. University administration shouldn't be involved in what is a criminal matter in the first place. We have nothing like this in the UK. To me, it just looks bat-shit crazy for administrators to be adjudicating what ought to be criminal matters. I'm curious as to whether you have any thoughts on that. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 06:16 PM |
| -4 | Huffington Post: "'Men's Rights' Trolls Spam Occidental College Online Rape Report Form"What does that have to do with my comment? | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 06:11 PM |
| 7 | Honey Badger Brigade: Who's Been Naughty and Who's Been Nice?Naughty - Hugo Schwyzer. Has to be. We have to keep reminding everyone that this is what a male feminist looks like. Nice - Dr Helen Smith. Finally someone gets it out there that men's increasing refusal to 'grow up' could well be a rational response to a game that's not worth playing. No one wants to play slot machines that cost £1 to play and return prizes of 50p either, but we don't shame them for that. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 04:13 PM |
| 3 | Huffington Post: "'Men's Rights' Trolls Spam Occidental College Online Rape Report Form"Probably not. But that's not something you are entitled to assume a priori. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 03:36 PM |
| 7 | Huffington Post: "'Men's Rights' Trolls Spam Occidental College Online Rape Report Form"Agree and disagree. You're right it needed to be protested. But at the very least people should have given them the opportunity to recognise the concern before the spamming. That's fair, isn't it? | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 03:09 PM |
| 17 | Women’s Student Association at Harvard enrolls men to help rethink gender issuesSeems like a pretty obvious ploy to involve male feminist pets. Various dog-whistles like being 'respected' on campus, and the port-manteau of 'manbassadors' which just reeks of feminism. And then these sort of quotes: I often discuss these issues with my girlfriend, who worked at a male-dominated company for a while. She’s helped me understand some of the more subtle ways women may feel at an environment like that. But that doesn’t mean I always know exactly what to do or how to react to differ… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 03:04 PM |
| 5 | TheVerge's reporting on the college rape form issue. The article is uninspiring but it's great to see the comments section be as reasoned as it is. Good work if any of them are you.That's the way with outrage and drama. Once the initial outbust subsides, people actually start looking at the issue. Then people say, "Hmm... they actually kinda do have a point. I don't like how they went about it, but I'm not sure I'd like my son being hauled into the Dean of Students office and told that someone says he raped them. For all we know, it could just be someone who has a grudge against him for some reason. My son, because he's a fine young man who does respect women, would be pre… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 02:35 PM |
| 4 | this needs to be read.Has it occurred to you that this guy is just an asshole, and now he's found the perfect cover for being an asshole? People who say stuff like this really creep me out: [T]he reaction from many quarters is the same kind of irrational anger and skewed empathy that made me into a monster. If you think you were a 'monster' before, but now you've seen the light, it's virtually certain that neither of those things are true. He wasn't a 'monster'. He was just an asshole. He probably still is. Or, if yo… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 12:51 PM |
| 10 | Nice Guys and White Knights: two words used by two sides that mean the same thing?White knights don't necessarily do it for that reason. They just hold sexist attitudes about women that they're weak and incapable of fighting their own battles. Men will also white knight for a woman they don't find attractive (though perhaps not quite as much). As for the nice guy stuff, well, it's been done to death on here. It's highly unlikely anyone would 'act nice' to get into someone's pants. As a deliberate seduction strategy, it's prettay, pretttay, prettttay bad. It's so bad that I ve… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 12:08 PM |
| 1 | (x-post from /r/offmychest) A vent to my old friends at /r/MensRights, and why we can't be friends anymore.k | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 11:03 AM |
| 3 | All of you are setting yourselves back.Are you claiming that having the same goals automatically guarantees people will support the same course of action? I want to lose weight. Alison tells me what I should do is build up an aerobic base by working at a heart rate no higher than 130bpm for as much as 20 hours a week. Bob tells me what I should do is to do lots of balls-to-the-wall high intensity interval training and weight training. They are both responding to the same goal. Their recommended courses of action are completely differ… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 01:23 AM |
| 6 | Why I need Mens Rights:I think that might be the first time I've looked at a picture of a baby and had an 'awww' reaction. Very cute indeed. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 09:50 PM |
| 3 | For the most part I like rationalWiki, but their page for mens rights is just a disgusting strawman attack trying to paint it as a women-hate movement (obviously written by an extreme feminist). Can we fix this?Check out the link under "External Links" called "How Men's Rights activists get feminism wrong". Whoops! | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 07:44 PM |
| 2 | What are the major law changes and measures we'd like to see?explain what you mean to me by false accusations made in good faith. An accusation of rape can be false for many reasons, but often it turns upon the question of whether the belief that consent had been given was reasonable. It's relatively easy for the would-be victim to be wrong about that, especially if you feel ashamed the next day (as is a common experience with one-night-stands in particular). Your memory quite literally changes with the subsequent emotion. Thus, you get genuinely tragic c… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 07:09 PM |
| 8 | Why I need Mens Rights:I think we needed to hear this right now, so thank you. It sounds like you're pretty happy with that arrangement. It doesn't work for everyone, but it does work for many, and there's a sense that we've been heaping a lot of pressure on women to think that if they're not shoulder padded wage-slaves, there's something wrong with them. There isn't, of course. Not everyone wants that sort of life, especially if they're not that materialistic to start with. All the best with your little one. And your… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 06:48 PM |
| 6 | What are the major law changes and measures we'd like to see?Agreed Agreed Agreed Agreed Agreed Not enough substance to agree or disagree. We just don't know what's up in education, in spite of what James Taylor says. He offers some good thoughts, but the lagging behind of boys is happening all across the world, and it's not at all clear why this is happening. Disagree - take this out of colleges altogether. Rape is a criminal matter, and colleges have no business being involved beyond providing support. Disagree. False accusations (i.e. accusations made … | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 06:28 PM |
| 1 | Who would've thought? Just blatantly agreeing with your wife can cause you to be unhappy.It's a joke! This 'study' didn't happen. Look at it. Look at the graph! This whole thing is demonstrating the sheer stupidity of science journalists. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 04:58 PM |
| 1 | Happy marriage study abandoned as husband becomes depressedIncidentally, did you see the chocolates one? I thought that was pretty funny as well. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 04:54 PM |
| 5 | Happy marriage study abandoned as husband becomes depressedThe study has some limitations. There was no trial registration, no ethics committee approval, no informed consent, no proper randomisation, no validated test instrument, and questionable statistical assessment. We used the eyeball technique for single patient trials which, as Sackett says, “more closely matches the way we think as clinicians. Brilliant! | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 04:52 PM |
| 1 | Happy marriage study abandoned as husband becomes depressedNo, no. They couldn't possibly have done this. You can't do ANY studies without ethics clearance. No chance. That would be the sort of thing that would get you stricken off by the BMA. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 04:52 PM |
| 3 | (x-post from /r/offmychest) A vent to my old friends at /r/MensRights, and why we can't be friends anymore.Indeed. The OP throwaway only posts twice, and then seems to go away, which is pretty unusual in itself given they get lots of interesting responses. AMRadiohead1 pops up 1-2 hours' later and is the most heavily-involved poster on there. Once again, this isn't proof. But it's certainly consistent with the idea that AMRadiohead1 wrote that piece. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 12:36 PM |
| 7 | (x-post from /r/offmychest) A vent to my old friends at /r/MensRights, and why we can't be friends anymore.I suspect the OP is AMRadiohead1. Here's three bits from the OP: MRAs claims that it's only the rad-MRAs that do this, and how if you spend time on their sub, you'll see how it's mostly mature discussions and about "SERIOUS" issues. Well, as a long term member and contributor, this simply isn't true. MRAs has a ton of non-serious issues that not only show up often, but they are actually apart of the "official" MRA movement. ... it makes the whole movement look like a fucking joke (which at this … | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 11:49 AM |
| 5 | Doxxing sites listed on MensRightsThis smear derives from a few different sites: The Ariana Pattek debacle (which Elam held his hand up for, an important point seldom acknowledged). Relatedly, on Reddit, this sub- got spanked when intortus, a Reddit admin, applied Reddit's nigh-on-unintelligible rules about what is and what is not doxxing in a manner seeemingly inconsistent with previous actions, as Legolas calmly pointed out (and was ignored). It may be that it is Register Her, a site hosted by AVfM, people have in mind. As you… | /r/MensRights | 17/12/13 11:56 PM |
| 14 | Where does the misandry and sexism that is deeply ingrained in modern feminism come from?Because social actions don't come pre-interpreted. Something that might seem to you relatively innocuous, such as linking to a picture of Emily Ratajkowski and saying you'd like to hit it (not saying you would do this, by the way!), might well come across to a feminist as you literally treating this woman as an object, regardless of how you intended it. They would see unconscious attitudes of dominance and power in that expression, and they would wish you to re-examine your underlying beliefs. A… | /r/MensRights | 16/12/13 07:43 PM |
| 7 | Going to the mountain to die alone.Someone posted this earlier (around 15 mins before this post came up, in fact): But no, if you are a functional citizen of a developed nation, you are not "going your own way" in the most extreme sense of the term. If you are living halfway up a mountain in a hut you built yourself, using none of our shared infrastructure, then maybe. But that's not most people, and I don't think MGTOW was ever intended as a mountain-man movement. Clearly, someone read that and thought it would be hilarious to p… | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 11:27 PM |
| 36 | Feminist construction company pitched on TV show Dragons Den. Gets rejected, extremely cringeworthyWhat was she doing? Trying to shame them into believing that 0.15a + 0.05b = 0.2(a+b)? I know they edit it to make it seem worse, but still... | /r/MensRights | 14/12/13 09:14 PM |
| 6 | Bullied by girls, hurt by women: My post (including a link)Good to have you here. I think the thing that really comes across for me is just how vulnerable you were, and how this vulnerability was actually exacerbated by the expectation that you were 'privileged'. And that strikes me as a pretty core problem with this notion of 'privilege' and the attendant notion of 'intersectionality' (which is typically modelled as additive). If you're neurotypical, well-off, have a stable family background, etc., you might be fairly happy saying that being a white gu… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/13 04:28 PM |
| 3 | Question concerning male rape.From what I understand from hearing people recount their stories, threats are often involved. Another common thing is that the men in that situation freeze because they become concerned about hurting the woman. And sometimes, of course, it is boys who are getting raped, and they are selected precisely because they aren't that strong yet. Another thing to bear in mind is that rape doesn't necessarily require coercion or force, depending on jurisdiction. The key features are often absence of conse… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 09:18 PM |
| 5 | Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism?Nah, man, you're entitled to your opinion. You raise a good point about the MRM being a tough sell. You're dead right on that. It is a tough sell. People don't want to hear this stuff, men or women. But you're talking about half the population. Do you really think all of those people are destined to be leaders? That seems rather unlikely. For a huge number of men, the choice is not between 'being a leader' and a 'follower'. Unless you're pretty rich to start with, you're almost certainly gonna b… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 08:06 PM |
| 4 | AVFM is hosting International Conference on Men's IssuesThe choice of Detroit seems quite appropriate. No city in the world quite conjures up that vision of an America that hasn't got a bloody clue where it's going. If you haven't seen Stefan Molyneux's video on the bankrupcy, it's worth seeing. It's quite gloomy though, and of course it's geared for his libertarian agenda, so do be wary of the bias. But still worth watching. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 07:26 PM |
| 8 | The fourth wave of feminism: Meet The Next Wave of ClichesCheck out this comment! Hilarious censorship. | /r/MensRights | 11/12/13 07:22 PM |
| 8 | Subject of Twitter bigotry now claiming to have received death threats from MRAs.Since mine was the most up-voted comment, I feel obliged to repeat what I said to end my comment in that thread: There is a big positive in this exchange though - Jenny O'Henry shows us all how it's done here. She is someone to emulate, I feel. Note how I did not recommend being abusive, but actively ended on a positive emphasising politeness and courtesy. Even if I didn't believe that to be important purely on moral grounds (which I do), you'd have to be a very stupid MRA not to realise that be… | /r/MensRights | 11/12/13 01:41 PM |
| 51 | Twitter bigot alert. "Feminists are allowed to joke about men. It's allowed." Can men joke about women? "No that's sexist!"Also: Laura - I don't really care if some privileged men get their feelings hurt. Jenny - No, you don't care if what you perceive as privileged men get their feelings hurt. We can't make those judgements. Opinions Laura - yeah, all men have privilege - if we disagree on that then there's not much point in continuing. This is no complete yahoo either. Laura Sneddon writes for The New Statesman. It's not that she hates men; she just doesn't care about them. 'Privilege' is the means via which she r… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/13 05:43 PM |
| 2 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.The date is wrong because Andrewlevin clearly presented this as a recent development, when it is in fact from 5 years' ago. The country is wrong because it's from Northern Ireland, not Ireland. The language is gender neutral, but it is not a gender neutral campaign. Thus it is disputable because it depends on what he meant by 'gender neutral' in the first place. It seems he did indeed mean the language. | /r/MensRights | 08/12/13 12:30 PM |
| 2 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.I think the date and getting the country wrong are much more serious issues than the gender-neutrality thing. The neutrality thing is a disputable point, and people will take different stances on it. But facts are facts. And what we're seeing here is that people don't do even a cursory amount of basic fact-checking before posting their crappy image-posts, and then reams of morons are upvoting without checking either. And that's a serious quality-control issue. Reddit has its good points and bad … | /r/MensRights | 08/12/13 11:47 AM |
| 5 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.Before you upvote, please check this link - http://www.psni.police.uk/index/updates/updates_campaigns/updates_be_smart.htm Note the date at the bottom of the page. | /r/MensRights | 08/12/13 09:38 AM |
| 1 | Because men don't have feelings right?I'm certain that's true of the raw 7 emotions - joy, sadness, anger, contempt, disgust, fear, surprise. I think other emotions are linked to having a certain sort of sensibility, and it might get more messy thereafter. I don't know, though. | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 06:06 PM |
| 1 | Because men don't have feelings right?I don't know what sort of gaming sessions you've had, but in my experience it was mainly increasingly silly and outrageous gloating. There was no "Shall I compare thee to a red shell?" going on. Male groups are all about doing stuff and having fun, and there's nothing wrong with that. I take your point about negative reinforcement, though. Sometimes it's hard to know whether this is 'tough love' in preparing you for a world in which no one's going to be responsive if you draw attention to your e… | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 01:40 PM |
| 8 | Spread the word: The reactionary, anti-science movement is feminism, not mensrights.I'm not sure it is ignorance all the time. I think they also quite self-consciously 'sex up' their reporting simply to get more exposure and climb the greasy pole. And scientists themselves are pandering to it too sometimes for exactly the same reason. | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 12:35 PM |
| 0 | Because men don't have feelings right?That's a bit much. It is empirically well-demonstrated that men don't express the full range of emotions. Give them a Likert-scale with emotions on it, and they'll always be in the 3-5 range, whereas women will use 1, 2, 6, and 7 much more frequently. It's slightly harder to say whether that means they don't feel as deeply. It's a difficult question, this, but ever since William James there has been the school of thought that emotions are intrinsically tied to their expression, and there appears… | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 11:24 AM |
| 8 | Because men don't have feelings right?What? You mean you don't philosophically analyse Bieber songs? Weird. Take the piece 'Baby': Baby, baby, baby oooh Like baby, baby, baby nooo Like baby, baby, baby oooh I thought you'd always be mine (mine) This is clearly a meditation on the emotional resonance of Heraclitean flux. Justin expresses so well the painful disconnect between the synthetic a priori intuition of relationship impermanence and the cruel reality. What we are left with is not an emotional resolution, but a painful awarene… | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 11:11 AM |
| 23 | Spread the word: The reactionary, anti-science movement is feminism, not mensrights.The really ironic thing is that the research on intra-female competition came about in part as a reaction to the supposed biased focus on males. And now that you've got proper scientists like Maryanne Fisher, Lorne Campbell, Anne Campbell and Tracy Vaillancourt doing the research and coming up with interesting results, that's still not good enough! Evolutionary Psychology has actually had something of an egalitarian turn in the last few years. A lot of people are saying extremely important stuff… | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 10:43 AM |
| 28 | 1992 An MRA, PUA and Feminist Walk into NBC's talk show with a Female AudienceCount the shaming tactics. Count the indicators of listening. ...and that's why the MRM is growing like a beast. | /r/MensRights | 05/12/13 03:10 PM |
| 22 | "How to date a feminist". Read the comments - the facade is is crumbling.Thought this was a pretty perceptive comment: Collectively there is little coherence, with mutually exclusive views held up as ideal, and a largely ad-hoc approach to determining "what a feminist should be/do/think". That in itself could describe any number of groups, but the fact that coherent doctrine is often treated as being somehow tainted with patriarchy has a particularly vicious effect. In practice, it isn't that feminists are, by any way, largely obnoxious ideologues, it's that the obno… | /r/MensRights | 05/12/13 10:48 AM |
| 5 | What does it mean when feminists say men's issues are feminist issues?2 days' ago, you said: Doesn't anyone on this sub have the guts to defend their positions? GWW gives you a 688 word response to a point you made, and you respond with: Nice little gig you've got going on here GWW. Being the top woman in a misogynist hate group must bring you lots of attention. Kudos! | /r/MensRights | 04/12/13 11:16 PM |
| 3 | Warren Farrell asks AVFM readers to help him choose a book coverAl Capone famously started out as a hat salesman, but just got sick to death of wiseguys mocking his fedora, and so segued into the busting heads game. Hence the origin of the phrase: "Don't get fresh with my fedora". | /r/MensRights | 04/12/13 08:49 PM |
| 5 | Warren Farrell asks AVFM readers to help him choose a book coverWell, I got game, that's why. Albeit game from the 1950s... | /r/MensRights | 04/12/13 08:17 PM |
| 14 | Warren Farrell asks AVFM readers to help him choose a book coverI hate all of them, really. They're all vaguely chauvinistic, and not at all in-keeping with the message of the book. This is what I'd have - Orson Welles as MacBeth. It's a great photo in its own right, but it very easily gives the reader the take-home message that the appearance of power isn't the same thing as actually having power. | /r/MensRights | 04/12/13 05:15 PM |
| 3 | A collection of YouTube channels every MRA should know about!I'm not sure about ramzpaul. I like his satire and he's a funny man, but I'm not altogether convinced about what he actually stands for, and I'd be nervous about outright recommending him. I read the SPLC hatchet-job, and it's about as convincing that he's a 'white supremacist' as SPLC's hatchet-jobs are generally (i.e. it convinces me that the SPLC is a dishonourable organisation peddling in tabloid smear and innuendo), but his political views do seem fairly reactionary nonetheless. | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 02:04 PM |
| 3 | A collection of YouTube channels every MRA should know about!Billy Clement - another member of the Scottish Manlightenment. Doesn't get angry or ranty, which is nice. Bane666au - has the same annoying synthetic voice as RBK, but some good content. Vinny Mac/TheIgnoredGender - excellent stuff on media double-standards. The Justicar/IntegralMath - a bit smug at times, but also can be very funny and incisive. A bit more concerned with the scepticism/atheism crowd, but touches on gender a fair bit nonetheless. noelplum99 - much like Justicar, more concerned w… | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 01:53 PM |
| 21 | Two women slashed the throat of a 30-year-old DJ with learning difficulties and then claimed he had tried to rape themEr... yeah, the whole innocent until proven guilty thing isn't some optional extra. | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 10:51 AM |
| 1 | Study confirms the feeling of "creepiness" is largely bullshit. Being male, being nonconformist/deviant, being unemployed, talking about your personal life, having pale skin, and talking about sex are overwhelmingly seen as 'creepy'.But the feeling drops out of the analysis in that eventuality. It is the behaviour that is unacceptable, and it would still be unacceptable even if no one was, in fact, creeped out by it. Take the Facebook exchange. Suppose the person on the receiving end was just a bit oblivious to it all. The guy's behaviour was still minging, because there just is an obvious lack of any sort of responsiveness to his overtures that's indicative of a lack of respect for her boundaries. I'm not sure, in the fina… | /r/MensRights | 02/12/13 01:04 AM |
| 32 | How can we find common ground?The National Organisation for Women is the largest and most important feminist organisation. Read what they said about the MRM a year ago. Until politically-influential feminists are ready to admit that feminism should not hold the monopoly on the discourse on gender, and that it offers merely a narrow, gynocentric range of interpretations of social events, I can't see any hope of cooperation with politically-influential feminists. They have nothing to gain, and everything to lose from co-operat… | /r/MensRights | 01/12/13 04:40 PM |
| 14 | Dads Are Not Always The Bad Guys In Break-UpsIt's not exactly an ambitious article, is it? Hey, guys, not all men are evil. Injustice is inevitable, so it may as well be fathers that get shafted. Mothers have a stronger bond, even though that's by no means a settled matter empirically. It's one thing to want to be even-handed, but it's another thing to be simply weak and appeasing. The statistics cited justify a far more robust response than the interpretation he gives them, and he grossly undersells the argument. Seems to me that you shou… | /r/MensRights | 01/12/13 11:53 AM |
| 1 | Study confirms the feeling of "creepiness" is largely bullshit. Being male, being nonconformist/deviant, being unemployed, talking about your personal life, having pale skin, and talking about sex are overwhelmingly seen as 'creepy'.I do. If you note, that's precisely what I'm suggesting here - that people control their levels of shame in part by changing how they think about things. But I think the lack of directness makes all the difference. Because the simple fact is that one doesn't choose to have the feelings one has. You're right that there is some sort of responsibility there, and there is some sort of accountability, but it's not like (say) the injunction not to be violent. | /r/MensRights | 01/12/13 08:08 AM |
| 4 | Study confirms the feeling of "creepiness" is largely bullshit. Being male, being nonconformist/deviant, being unemployed, talking about your personal life, having pale skin, and talking about sex are overwhelmingly seen as 'creepy'.Ah, I see. So what you're saying, then, is that it's a bit like having an irrational fear of heights, or spiders? The 'creeped out' feeling is likewise irrational since it in no way corresponds to a genuine threat, but is rather churning out stacks of false positives caused by completely arbitrary shit. What you're saying here makes a lot of sense, and I withdraw my earlier statement of 'what happened' as it was clearly incorrect. There's another thread running here "What is wrong with people?" … | /r/MensRights | 01/12/13 12:24 AM |
| 5 | Study confirms the feeling of "creepiness" is largely bullshit. Being male, being nonconformist/deviant, being unemployed, talking about your personal life, having pale skin, and talking about sex are overwhelmingly seen as 'creepy'.Here's what happened. You wanted to attack a certain explanation of 'creepiness' and declare it as bullshit - i.e. spurious, lacking in precision, or simply false. This explanation would go that creepiness is, as it were, inherent in the behaviour of the object. There is an objective difference between creepy behaviour and non-creepy behaviour. This explanation would then be undermined by the fact that ascriptions of creepiness track other information not to do with behaviour. But instead of say… | /r/MensRights | 30/11/13 11:40 PM |
| 3 | What is wrong with people.Why don't men talk about their feelings? How about because when they do, they are shamed for having the feelings they do? | /r/MensRights | 30/11/13 10:54 PM |
| 2 | Study confirms the feeling of "creepiness" is largely bullshit. Being male, being nonconformist/deviant, being unemployed, talking about your personal life, having pale skin, and talking about sex are overwhelmingly seen as 'creepy'.It's just a bullshit thing, since the measured and verifiable correlations given by the study are things that don't make any sense to be associated with it. But that's just it. They provide an explanatory framework for why these things make a difference - the ambiguity of threat model. That doesn't make 'creepiness' bullshit. Clearly, the feeling is very real, and /u/mkautzm provides a very good example of something that is manifestly creepy. Certainly, as I read that Facebook exchange, my skin … | /r/MensRights | 30/11/13 10:48 PM |
| 5 | Men go MGTOW. This is the reason why. - Out of Order Chronicle 2000That was a grim watch. The way a father wanting to see his kids is portrayed as some kind of sick lunge for control... They're his kids! How is this hard to understand? We recognise it as obvious that fathers will lay down their lives for their children, and yet it's supposedly weird that they'll chafe against a restraining order that distances them from their children? How much do you have to hate men such that that some deep-seated desire for control becomes your go-to explanation? I just don'… | /r/MensRights | 30/11/13 07:31 PM |
| 2 | Shared maternity leave in the UK: Fathers get to share maternity leave with the mother of their child. Sounds good, right? Yes. But for the wrong reasons.What the Tories actually did was cut the decent maternity period (I can't quite remember the details off-hand), and allow you to share the additional bit. Thus, it was actually a cost-cutting manoeuvre they repackaged as a move for equality. Sneaky fuckers, eh? Personally, I think maternity cover should be strictly for the health implications of pregnancy, which are considerable. And I think employee entitlements to flexible work arrangements should be extended across the board, with the EUWTD e… | /r/MensRights | 29/11/13 11:35 PM |
| 8 | Finally, a social campaign that accounts for *both* sexes. What a fantastic video.I'm sorry, but I can't agree that this is 'fantastic'. I don't even think it's good. Look at what you've got: Girl alone hearing 'society' tell her she can't play handegg. Man scolding his boy for crying. Girls scolding girl for not being pretty enough. Boy bullying other boy for being girly. Man around drunk woman hearing 'society' that he's entitled to sex. Spot the problem? Where is the recognition that 'society' is telling men to put their welfare second, and women's first? Where is the reco… | /r/MensRights | 29/11/13 11:06 PM |
| -1 | Can I encourage all MRAs to spend a little time helping men in crisis at r/suicidewatch?Evolution simply does not build perfect things; merely things that are good enough. Note that I said: There need not be a reason. I'd already acknowledged this. My point is that we don't know that the broken leg analogy is apt. It could be. But there are other pokers in the fire. You can't fix the broken leg by positive thinking or watching a motivational video. Cheap shot. 1) it isn't a motivational video. 2) it isn't supposed to help depression. It is a video about depression. If the problem i… | /r/MensRights | 29/11/13 09:10 PM |
| 2 | The media have no idea who we are: they think we are white, male, and against equality. How can they be so out of touch?Heather Graham was just thin, not invisible. | /r/MensRights | 29/11/13 08:53 PM |
| 1 | Can I encourage all MRAs to spend a little time helping men in crisis at r/suicidewatch?I tend to agree. I was just trying to be balanced in how I presented it, and didn't want to push my personal beliefs. Depression is a sensitive area, after all, and some people view this stuff as a kind of romanticisation of mental illness. | /r/MensRights | 29/11/13 07:42 PM |
| 0 | Can I encourage all MRAs to spend a little time helping men in crisis at r/suicidewatch?We don't know that. Here's a question - why does depression exist? Think about how immensely costly it is - people with depression are markedly less productive and functional, and they often kill themselves. If there was a candidate for something that would be selected out the gene pool, depression is it. There need not be a reason. It could simply be that these selective pressures haven't been strong enough, or it could be that depression is a relatively modern phenomenon that arises as a resul… | /r/MensRights | 29/11/13 07:09 PM |
| 13 | Michael Kimmell - America suffers from "white wing" male rage. "It's everywhere!" - AlternetAbout the MRM: I don't know that they'd agree with taking rights away from women necessarily. I think they believe that a switch has been thrown and that women now run the show - control corporations, courts or government policy initiatives. They don't want to take rights away from women as much as to "restore" the rights to which they believe themselves entitled. They see evidence of reverse discrimination everywhere they look, from "Ladies' Nights" at bars and clubs, to custody decisions in di… | /r/MensRights | 29/11/13 04:07 PM |
| 30 | Sexist organisation says girls suffer from sexismI wouldn't say young people have a good time in general. But, of course, we won't know from reading that report, because they only ask girls. What's the point of doing this? It doesn't tell us anything. And this is feminism in microcosm. Let's just assume things are only shitty for women and girls, and let's not even bother making a comparison. But let's use the word 'equality' nonetheless, which is a comparative concept. So let's use a comparative concept, but not use a comparative methodology.… | /r/MensRights | 29/11/13 10:24 AM |
| 11 | After seeing this image in a presentation today, I tracked down its source to a feminist blog without any sources for the stats. How reliable/true are these numbers? (source please)You know what would be really funny? If the POTUS said it. | /r/MensRights | 29/11/13 09:57 AM |
| 3 | Not entirely sure what to make of this, so figured I'd try to propagate some discussion hereI think I understand where you're coming from, and let me just say it's a real privilege to be able to bend your ear here. If I can put what you're saying into my own words, it seems to me you're identifying an unhelpful therapeutic paradigm coming from certain feminist organisations. This unhelpful therapeutic paradigm started out life as a corrective that was genuinely helpful to people trapped in an endless cycle of self-blame and recrimination whereby they fixate on likely causally-irrelevan… | /r/MensRights | 29/11/13 09:40 AM |
| 0 | Would it be worth it to make shirts like these that say "Yes, I am a men's rights activist. No, I don't hate women"?No one gets that luxury with PR shit. You are only ever as good as the last thing that hits the news. The MRM will have to prove, again and again and again and again and again, that it isn't about hating women. And this will not be easy, because it is part of the MRM to hold women to the same (or equivalent) standards we hold men, and that is indistinguishable from misogyny to people who haven't thought about their 'benevolently' sexist attitudes. | /r/MensRights | 28/11/13 09:33 PM |
| 2 | Not entirely sure what to make of this, so figured I'd try to propagate some discussion hereThere's a lot there. I think we're agreed in the broad brush about wanting to strike a balance and wanting to stress that you are, as a matter of fact, pretty God-damn safe in today's world. Just a few nit-picky comments I make in the spirit of anticipating that, like me, you probably like a good argument: The message most pervasive right now is that rape victims are irreparably damaged psychologically. For a victim, does this cultural attitude help with recovery? I doubt there is a general rule… | /r/MensRights | 28/11/13 08:21 PM |
| 5 | What are the major prejudices and discriminations against men?From the sidebar - http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/uwekw/facts_and_statistics_detailing_male_oppression/ | /r/MensRights | 28/11/13 06:55 PM |
| 1 | Not entirely sure what to make of this, so figured I'd try to propagate some discussion hereI'm not sure I can follow you here. This is a point you yourself make - it's perfectly plausible that women have very sound evolutionary reasons for having a heightened fear of sexual assault, and a heightened affective response in the case of sexual trauma. The data on PTSD seem to accord with this hypothesis, with women considerably more likely to develop PTSD than men following the same trauma. So, in a sense, women might well be in more danger if you include the long-term psychological impac… | /r/MensRights | 28/11/13 06:44 PM |
| 2 | Seen in the wild: Self Defence for WomynWell, it's a bit daft, but frankly I'd rather have neurotics learning this stuff than cowering in a corner of the internet and overinterpreting song lyrics until they hit the cultural low-water mark that is reading 'Baby, It's Cold Outside' as rape culture. We're better off with neurotics who think they're Lisbeth Salander than neurotics who think they're Joan of Arc. At least wannabe Lisbeths are actually capable of functioning around people who don't share their opinions to the fine vibrations… | /r/MensRights | 28/11/13 12:09 PM |
| 4 | A video from the feminist camp blaming men as a gender for sexual violence and rape, and urging them to act upon internalized gender guilt to stop violence against women.You do get a real sense when watching it that here is a man who needs to feel he's really powerful, and this weird world-view he has in which men are some sort of Borg collective provides him with that. I guess I do feel some sympathy for him, because he's obviously in an emotionally-unstable place. Emotionally healthy people don't start putting on hairshirts and invoking puritanical modes of thought. But the problem is that he's putting himself out there, and he will be damaging young men with … | /r/MensRights | 28/11/13 10:02 AM |
| 1 | Poster campaign on MacEwan University campus sparks privilege debateWell, the thing is... if we're going to talk about what the most important advantages are, there's one that eclipses everything else by a country mile, and it's the social class you're brought up in. So importance doesn't really work. The argument they will use is an appeal to this nebulous notion of 'social structure'. Some differences are, as it were, random, mere artefacts of fortune. Some differences are, however, structural in some sense. And here we get right to the heart of the problem. U… | /r/MensRights | 27/11/13 11:34 PM |
| 11 | Not entirely sure what to make of this, so figured I'd try to propagate some discussion hereI'm not sure he gets in the vicinity of the nail, to be honest. He simply asserts various things as true of women's experiences. Surely he is aware that we've all met hundreds of women in our lives and have talked to them, and thus we know perfectly well that the sort of things he describes are not, in fact, universal experiences? From there, we're all just going to know he's full of it. Women don't live in a foreign country; they are our friends, wives, sisters, mothers, etc. We talk to them! J… | /r/MensRights | 27/11/13 08:23 PM |
| 7 | Poster campaign on MacEwan University campus sparks privilege debate“(With) me fitting all five of them, you questions yourself,” he said. “It makes me feel awkward. It makes me feel really awkward.” Sounds like this guy has got the message loud and clear. What is this 'privilege' stuff if not precisely making people feel guilty about absolutely nothing? It is a platitude that there is always someone worse off than you. There is nothing remotely insightful or interesting about that fact. What we're seeing tacked on to this sophomoric thought is an abuse of langu… | /r/MensRights | 27/11/13 05:36 PM |
| 1 | OECD's Gender Index disregards social institutions that discriminate against menWith these indices, there's so many things wrong that it's genuinely difficult to know where to start. It's too big, in a way. But here's an obvious question - why is FGM covered and not MGM? | /r/MensRights | 27/11/13 09:44 AM |
| 7 | Classes on financial domination on men or how to profit from insecure, inadequate menThe challenge here is to get through the article without thinking of a marriage joke. | /r/MensRights | 27/11/13 09:21 AM |
| 3 | Camille Paglia on Rob Ford, Rihanna and rape culture - "Feminism is dead. The movement is absolutely dead."The India comment bothers me. Are we so sure that we should be worried about India? There has been one appalling case that captured international imagination. Is there any actual evidence of a widespread problem in India beyond isolated cases? Because by that logic we should say that the USA has a culture of high school massacres, and that you shouldn't send your children to US schools because they'll get killed in one of those massacres. Why are people so ready to believe the worst about India?… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 10:15 AM |
| -6 | Girl plays the "you can't hit a girl" card and punches guy in the face. Does not end well for her.Yes, and that's why that hypothetical guy would have acted poorly. But that still doesn't excuse a disproportionate response, especially as a sucker punch. What I'm saying here is that both people acted poorly. | /r/MensRights | 23/11/13 07:10 PM |
| 2 | Girl plays the "you can't hit a girl" card and punches guy in the face. Does not end well for her.The litmus test here is if had been a 100 lbs 5'6" man with puny arms, would we be OK with it? I wouldn't. Honestly. Especially since it was a sucker punch. The relevant moral fact here is the strength differential. Gender is merely a correlate of that, and has no moral significance. | /r/MensRights | 23/11/13 06:43 PM |
| 7 | [xpost] Crystal Mangum, the accuser in the Duke Lacrosse rape case, is found guilty of Second Degree MurderLet me just remind you of what Amanda Marcotte said (acc. to Cathy Young - Marcotte deleted her post) at the time of the Duke Lacrosse case: Slamming CNN as "pure evil," Marcotte vented her outrage at having to "listen to how the poor dear lacrosse players at Duke are being persecuted just because they held someone down and f***ed her against her will," and concluded sarcastically, "Can't a few white boys sexually assault a black woman anymore without people getting all wound up about it? So unf… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 09:27 PM |
| 11 | Why I'm now a Men's Rights Supporter.Ah man, siblings... They know how to push your buttons. No one in your life will ever be quite as good at it. Your sister sounds like a right madam, and it sounds like you love her very much. Your mother's response to this fight does seem odd, however. I can certainly understand why you'd be upset about it, because you must have felt like your mother didn't really value you as much as your sister. If you can stomach a bit of unsolicited advice, try to find out why your mother had that reaction. … | /r/MensRights | 21/11/13 10:40 PM |
| 2 | Serious question about expressing sexuality.How come feminists want to have the right to express their sexuality however they want, but men are animals because they express their sexuality? Here's an area in which NAFALT actually is a good response. The sex-neg vs sex-pos distinction is a live one amongst feminists. The answer to your question is simply that different feminists have different opinions, and there's no logical inconsistency because the would-be inconsistency is distributed across the group, rather than held by an individual… | /r/MensRights | 21/11/13 07:15 PM |
| 1 | Men's reproductive rightsI think I get it. You're interpreting the word 'reproductive' to mean strictly 'pertaining to the general physiology of reproduction', and then arguing that it is 'misleading rhetoric' to use it to refer to general issues to do with reproduction. I got thrown because it seemed to me you were making it even more narrow than that and literally making it about sperm and ova, thus meaning that once the egg is fertilised, there are no relevant reproductive rights. But you obviously don't mean that. I… | /r/MensRights | 21/11/13 06:02 PM |
| 3 | Men's reproductive rightsNo, I still don't get it. Why is abortion a matter of reproductive rights whereas a man exercising control over his biological material not? I'm obviously missing something here. Is it just the 'reproductive' bit you don't like and you're just making a semantic point that we ought to call it something else? Or does something substantive hang on this? In other words, what ethical difference does it make what you call the right in question? Or are you saying there are no relevant rights here? I'm … | /r/MensRights | 21/11/13 12:43 PM |
| 4 | Men's reproductive rightsSorry, I'm still confused. 'Reproductive rights' can have many interpretations, some broader than others. Perhaps the simplest way to get clear is to ask you directly - are you saying abortion isn't an issue of reproductive rights? | /r/MensRights | 21/11/13 09:20 AM |
| 7 | Men's reproductive rightsI'm not sure I really understand you here. What blocks the following inference, then?: Unless you're talking about rights dealing directly with ova, "female reproductive rights" isn't a thing. | /r/MensRights | 21/11/13 09:01 AM |
| 3 | Men's Issues Movement To Get Toronto HomeFair enough. I don't suppose there are any correct answers here, and of course it's not for me to tell CAFE how to do things. I just wanted to register a concern about such distancing should it be carried too far. In any case, cheers for the little discussion. | /r/MensRights | 20/11/13 12:30 PM |
| 3 | Men's Issues Movement To Get Toronto HomeIt's a bit of a rock and a hard place, isn't it? You want to do something positive, which means playing into the very narratives (The MRM is evil!) you actually think are mistaken. There are no easy answers on this, but I do think it would be a mistake for CAFE to distance itself from the MRM, because it would lose the energy and support it actually needs in the long-run. It shouldn't be 'masking' itself, because there isn't any shame in being part of the MRM. | /r/MensRights | 20/11/13 11:45 AM |
| 5 | Men's Issues Movement To Get Toronto HomeIt would be good name, but there's no identifier connected with it. 'Men's issues advocate' - what would that mean? For that reason, it can't work. 'MRM' and 'MRA' have stuck, and it would be folly to change it now. Whatever name is chosen, it's bound to be attacked, simply because of the politics of the thing. So long as AVfM remains a voice for men, why is such distancing even needed? Right now, the only site with the arrogance to pretend it's the only place the 'discussion' is taking place is… | /r/MensRights | 20/11/13 10:06 AM |
| 3 | Singing the Masculinity BluesWell, it's good exposure for CAFE. Alliance? Where did that come from? Just a few words of encouragement to Adam - speak up a bit, mate! Take your time, loosen your shoulders. Perhaps a bit of 'Dutch courage' before you go on? You've got good things to say, so don't be afraid to seize the moment. You only get one shot (or more), do not miss your chance to blow, this opportunity comes one in a lifetime yooooo... (or something like that). Also - did you notice judgybitch was cited? Love it. | /r/MensRights | 20/11/13 09:46 AM |
| 8 | Lurking supportive female with a questionA good one is to say you're a 'post-feminist'. It captures what I want to say, which is that I recognise the importance of historic (liberal) feminism but regard its current incarnation as irredeemably toxic. Obviously, there's plenty of decent people who are feminists out there, but I personally feel they are decent in spite of their feminism, not because of it. | /r/MensRights | 19/11/13 06:13 PM |
| 2 | Boy, 9, found hanged 'was bullied for being white'Just thinking... earlier I saw a whole bunch of nine-year-olds in day-glo jackets as they were being herded into the sports centre. The sheer horror of imagining a kid that young taking his own life... What can you even say? I find the race angle a bit... Well, it's a bit 'Daily Mail', isn't it? I wouldn't be at all surprised if the race element was not at all salient, and this is just the DM doing what it does best - distorting shit to produce outrage. | /r/MensRights | 18/11/13 09:41 PM |
| 15 | Female abuser tries to kill her partner on camera.Join the White Ribbon Ride! Stop violence against women. Men... not so much. | /r/MensRights | 17/11/13 08:45 AM |
| 9 | Daily Dose of RageIs it? Or is it just a harmless joke? And you know, even if that is what she wants, so what? The whole point of people having rights is that they get to choose how they live their own lives, so long as it doesn't hurt other people. I don't see how her rather mercenary attitude hurts anyone. It's not the way I'd want to be, but again, so what? | /r/MensRights | 15/11/13 06:20 PM |
| 9 | Cracked.com is just.... I just don't know where to start. This is awful.It's also fucking boring if you're not the sort of person who likes the financial equivalent of grinding on World of Warcraft. (Incidentally, WoW stats were 84/16 in 2005. Could it possibly be that males and females as groups have different motivational profiles?) | /r/MensRights | 15/11/13 06:12 PM |
| 6 | They ditched me like I was nothing.Jesus... I don't blame you for being upset. But all I'm hearing is "our gender suffers more, so we're fighting for our rights first. men later." Yep. That is pretty much the guiding intuition. My contention is that people react so vociferously when you question that fundamental premise precisely because no work has ever gone in to establishing it as true. It has always been assumed, and no one has ever sought to say what it means, and compiled evidence to show that it is true. It's because they … | /r/MensRights | 15/11/13 05:58 PM |
| 6 | 'Men's rights' are a big whingeThere was this thread from a year ago of someone pointing out that we need to get active to stop the MRM from being associated with this fruit. | /r/MensRights | 15/11/13 08:53 AM |
| 5 | Revenge Porn Is Bad. Criminalizing It Is WorseSo... having identified the problem: Discussions of internet law seem like an endless cycle of “but what about the women/children?” pitted against “but what about my free speech?” (Telling choice of words, incidentally - 'women/children'. Yes, that is the paradigm of female hypoagency!) We get: The problem of revenge porn is embedded within a larger context of violence against women and the stigmatization of the naked body, which means the issue can be tackled from many other directions. All of … | /r/MensRights | 14/11/13 11:39 AM |
| 5 | Fathers’ Rights Groups Gaining Momentum – From More Than Just MenIt's well worth bookmarking that NOW newsletter. If we could all just get in the habit of linking to it whenever the inevitable "Why do you attack feminism?" post comes up, I think it would probably make for an easier time on here. They seem to think the MRM is synonymous with fathers' rights, which is a bit weird, and indicates they clearly haven't done any research on the topic, since there are many salient MR issues that aren't fathers' rights issues (e.g. MGM, IPV and Duluth model, false rap… | /r/MensRights | 11/11/13 09:26 AM |
| 57 | Noah Berlatsky attacks Joss Whedon's speech on "Equality is the Natural Order & the word Genderist", claiming Whedon needs feminist indoctrination, and to get rid of his white male privilege.The reason Whedon can stand up at the podium and say that equality is natural is because all these feminists he doesn't talk about, from Susan B. Anthony and Sojourner Truth on up, have fought exhausting battle after exhausting, grinding battle to get to this point. So give them a statue. Using the same logic, I should go down to the beach and start attacking Germans because Winston Churchill enjoined us to in 1941. Times change. Whether 'feminism' is a good idea depends on the social context. I… | /r/MensRights | 09/11/13 01:23 PM |
| 3 | Good Men Project - Fathers are not importantWasn't it this one? | /r/MensRights | 08/11/13 06:42 PM |
| 10 | UK Student Union (hence feminist group) Bans Even MORE Harmless Stuff For Being "Sexist"The 1890s called... they want their attitudes back. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/13 01:19 PM |
| 1 | UK Student Union (hence feminist group) Bans Even MORE Harmless Stuff For Being "Sexist"Fast reader... | /r/MensRights | 08/11/13 01:18 PM |
| 5 | Ok I have to ask as i feel like i have been beating my head off a brick wall .It's not an MRM group. It's a satirical group, as far as I can tell. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/13 01:08 PM |
| 5 | Nathanson & Young | Review of Michael Kimmel's Guyland. (Goes beyond Kimmel's book, though)Lovely bit in the conclusion (p.150) For Kimmel, the problem is that young men feel what he describes as an illegitimate and therefore justly thwarted sense of entitlement to rewards, status and power, that are due specifically and only to male people. Denied what they consider their due, he says, these young men feel rage and express it in a wide range of antisocial ways – especially in hostility toward women, who now do reap rewards. For us, on the contrary, the problem is that young men feel … | /r/MensRights | 07/11/13 08:59 PM |
| 6 | Woman From MTV Demands Free Stuff From Us (men)Ah, come on. All media organisations expect you to do stuff for them because people usually jump over themselves to have their 15 minutes of lame. It's nowt to do with gender. | /r/MensRights | 07/11/13 01:21 PM |
| 4 | Sweden wants 2 females per movie. This is getting ridiculous.I've no idea either. I think people are just irritated by it. To me, it's this simple. Who cares if there's now two implausibly badass women with tragic back-stories talking about that time they went to McDonald's in France in The Fast and the Furious 8? How could movies possibly be made worse by this? | /r/MensRights | 06/11/13 02:47 PM |
| 25 | In which subreddit might I find some reasonable people that call themselves feminists?That's a very good question. I don't honestly know the answer. I can think of individual examples, but not a collective as such. What I've generally found, and it's just my personal impression, is that where you find someone who castigates MRAs for taking 'extremists' to be representative of feminism, you will often prompt them a little and soon discover, for instance: They believe the 1 in 5 and the 77c statistics on faith. They think it's legitimate to point to isolated instances of rape denia… | /r/MensRights | 05/11/13 12:18 PM |
| 1 | Teach at a boys home, and will be showing videos for Movember and Men's Rights/Issues. Can you suggest?Is DV a bit much? If not, James' story from the Mankind Initiative is very powerful. Or perhaps something to start a discussion about the different reactions to male and female violence from the 'What Would You Do?' series like this one? On family courts - Message to UK Family Courts. Suicide is a good topic to explore, but I can't think of any obvious videos... Sorry if these suggestions are a bit lame. I realise you're probably trying to tie it in to Movember... Hmm... Actually, not so easy th… | /r/MensRights | 04/11/13 10:11 PM |
| 3 | Outcome of my Men's Rights ProjectNothing much to add. Just wanted to say that your example is genuinely inspirational. Good on you. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/13 11:11 PM |
| 2 | MensRights is a joke, let's be honestThat's not fair. They tell you to go outside and show people your ass. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/13 10:53 PM |
| 7 | Make fatherhood a man's choiceI wouldn't get your hopes up. One swallow does not make a summer. A reply comes up pretty quickly from Marina Adshade on Psychology Today: Like Anna March, I have my own personal reasons for spending over a decade thinking about this issue and I have come to the conclusion that there is no easy answer. I have changed my mind several times as to whether or not my son’s father should be paying child support after he opted out of the family plan (well, the family he has with me at least). For me it… | /r/MensRights | 02/11/13 10:22 PM |
| 0 | (In reference to not drinking and driving) Just because she's had a few drinks... doesn't mean you should crash. Don't be That Car.I find this poster more confusing than anything. The picture shows a car crashed into a barrier. Thus, the 'she' in the poster would appear to be referring to the drunk driver of that car. So who is the 'you' here? The car? Huh? I'm guessing the idea is that you're trying to convey the idea that two cars have crashed, one of which is driven by a woman who's had a few drinks, and we shouldn't hold her accountable for her actions. But if that's the case, you need a different photo. You need one wh… | /r/MensRights | 30/10/13 12:07 PM |
| 2 | Die Like a Man: The Toxic Masculinity of Breaking Bad (WARNING SPOILERS) an interesting article about masculinity in Breaking BadWhat I take you to be saying here is that you should look at 'toxic masculinity' as being defined by uncaring, aggressive, violent, needing to dominate, etc. This is OK as a technical point. The problem is that it hasn't been used like that. If you look at how the 'theorisation' of 'masculinity' has progressed, it's gone from norms of self-reliance, status-seeking, etc. to being violent, aggressive, etc. Thus, even if you accept that 'toxic masculinity' just is all those nasty things and not int… | /r/MensRights | 30/10/13 09:40 AM |
| 2 | InSight: The Men's Rights MovementI think the word is 'manipulative'... I have other words I'd use too. | /r/MensRights | 30/10/13 08:59 AM |
| 4 | InSight: The Men's Rights MovementI felt that their presentation was great, and they'd clearly worked hard to try to be balanced, and the effort is appreciated. Whilst I could nitpick in terms of their confusing various things, I'd like overall to commend them for putting in a lot more effort into being balanced than their MSM counterparts. By the way, did people catch the bit at 5:12 where the feminist stops herself saying 'patriarchy'? That made me chuckle. | /r/MensRights | 29/10/13 11:26 PM |
| 2 | Against Vigilanteism in our MovementYou can file a false allegation without lying. Indeed, I'd imagine most false allegations are sincerely believed to be true - they're just not, as a matter of fact. | /r/MensRights | 29/10/13 06:16 PM |
| 3 | Against Vigilanteism in our MovementThe problem is that you said you wouldn't punish false rape accusations, but malicious allegations are a proper sub-set of false allegations. Thus, you've actually contradicted yourself here. I take your position to be that you'd prosecute some false rape accusations - i.e. malicious ones. (Frivolous ones?) Now that that's been clarified, I agree with what you're saying. It would be a lot simpler, to prevent the entire issue with False Rape by ommitting the names of the "accused" and the "victim… | /r/MensRights | 29/10/13 06:09 PM |
| 25 | Die Like a Man: The Toxic Masculinity of Breaking Bad (WARNING SPOILERS) an interesting article about masculinity in Breaking BadIt's easy to blame men for not talking, but does anyone actually listen when they do? Think about how the MRM has been received. Does anyone actually want to listen? Or would they rather belittle men talking about their experiences, shame them, call them 'misogynists', and tell them, in the words of Big Red, to SHUT THE FUCK UP? It strikes me that men not talking about their feelings is a perfectly rational adaptation based on their experience of what happens when they do. It's hard to listen to… | /r/MensRights | 29/10/13 05:47 PM |
| 28 | In Ohio University sex act caught on video, prosecutor reveals facts that show it was not sexual assault; the school should drop its investigationMore importantly, when is the media going to hold its hand up and say "Yeah, we reported this like a bunch of mewling fucktards"? | /r/MensRights | 29/10/13 04:35 PM |
| 1 | In Ohio University sex act caught on video, prosecutor reveals facts that show it was not sexual assault; the school should drop its investigationSo does anyone know why there was a photo of her apparently passed out on the sidewalk? Was it not of the same person or something? | /r/MensRights | 29/10/13 04:34 PM |
| -4 | What is your view on r/theredpill?For example, both men and women with certain personality disorders are attractive to many of the opposite sex, they can charm and treat people like shit and they will keep coming back for more. This is an excellent point. The sexiest woman in the world will always be Shirley Manson singing Supervixen. The woman on Game of Thrones who always says "Jon Snow" in that weird North-of-(Hadrian's!)-wall way reminds me of her, actually. And it's the same moral - you fuck sexy people. You don't go out wi… | /r/MensRights | 29/10/13 04:26 PM |
| -6 | According to Slate, men are supposed to cross the street to stay at least half a block away from women at night so they won't be afraid. Imagine the shitstorm if this advice were directed at men of color.I believe you're wrong here. She clearly points out that it would be a nice thing to do, not something you're supposed to do: Since you see the woman looming ahead of you, it would be a nice thing to do to cross the street before you're close enough so that she starts glancing behind her, clutching her purse. | /r/MensRights | 28/10/13 10:46 PM |
| 2 | My post history. Any advice?I think it's probably a mistake and he meant to post to http://en.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1pdxxu/how_can_we_mediate_if_i_cant_be_in_a_room_with_her/. To the OP - if you click on "Submit a new text post", it will start a whole new thread like this. Click on the link I've just put up, and then click in the box on that thread, and write your comment there. | /r/MensRights | 28/10/13 06:39 PM |
| 6 | Go Red for WomenWomen are significantly less likely to report chest pain or discomfort compared with men. These differences, however, are not likely large enough to warrant sex-specific public health messages regarding the symptoms of ACS [acute coronary syndrome] at the present time. Further research must systematically investigate sex differences in the clinical presentation of ACS symptoms and must include standardized data collection efforts. Source. | /r/MensRights | 28/10/13 08:44 AM |
| 1 | YSK about "The Second Sexism: Discrimination against Men and Boys" (2012) by David BenatarThanks. I do plan to. I've just been doing a fair bit of reading in and around social philosophy, Marxist feminist stuff, and critical social theory, and it's thrown a lot of things up in the air. Anything I write at the moment is all a bit woolly, and I can't bring myself to put it up. | /r/MensRights | 25/10/13 07:41 AM |
| 2 | YSK about "The Second Sexism: Discrimination against Men and Boys" (2012) by David BenatarIt's a good book. What's especially good about it is that, as a proper philosopher and not some pretentious wordsmith, he is meticulous about his conceptual distinctions (e.g. between disadvantage, discrimination, and wrongful discrimination), and makes great pains to present his case modestly. The average reader can read it and learn from it, although it won't be an enthralling experience, and it won't give the reader an illusory feeling of cleverness for reading such erudition. You can kinda t… | /r/MensRights | 24/10/13 09:18 PM |
| 5 | OU student misidentifiedEr, so why didn't you report it? That's what I've just done, and it's what I did last Thursday when I saw a doxxing piece posted on here. | /r/MensRights | 22/10/13 10:58 PM |
| 58 | Women are fine with sexism… as long as it benefits them, says new study.I'm not really sure about this research. Better link here. The researchers found a sense of entitlement in women was associated with stronger endorsement of benevolent sexism. To me, this is a conceptual entailment. What is a 'sense of entitlement in women' if not inclusive of accepting benevolent sexism? It's merely 'entitlement' carried over into the relationship sphere. (Thus, it's a bit like announcing that there's a correlation between bachelors and being unmarried). I suppose I'd need to s… | /r/MensRights | 22/10/13 05:24 PM |
| 36 | Since this is apparently what counts as research these days... Google Autocomplete on husbands and wives.Just to be clear, I don't personally believe this demonstrates anything. My intent is to show just how ridiculous the UN Women thing is. By sitting there and simply plugging in phrases until I got the result I wanted, I could 'demonstrate' sexism in attitudes in my region. | /r/MensRights | 22/10/13 10:43 AM |
| 17 | He says it's embarrassing as a man when MRA's ask for equal rights for men.Ironically, it's a persistent source of criticism in sceptical/atheist communities if one encounters a 'dictionary atheist' who thinks that the question of the meaning about 'atheism' (about which considerable disagreement exists) can be settled by an appeal to a dictionary. And yet here we see AronRa make exactly the same mistake. That 'feminist' doesn't mean simply "Someone who believes in the legal, social and economic equality of women" should be fucking obvious from the fact that many femin… | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 12:32 PM |
| 4 | "A TED Talk That Might Turn Every Man Who Watches It Into A Feminist?"Let me guess without watching - Jackson Katz showing that he understands bugger all about linguistics, but does know how to use a flipchart? | /r/MensRights | 18/10/13 08:53 PM |
| 9 | The reason we're not taken seriously is partly because many of you don't seem to respect women's issues.Nicely put. That's the thing. It's a familiar claim. We've been hearing it now for 40, 50 years or so. It slots nicely into the grooves of an ideological mechanism that's well-oiled and well-maintained. It's precisely when a claim seems so obvious that it's most important to ask: "Wait, how do we actually know this? And what do we even mean when we say it? And where's the objective evidence?" And when you do ask these questions, I've found, it really isn't that obvious at all. I prefer to say si… | /r/MensRights | 18/10/13 04:05 PM |
| 4 | Math blogger Mark CC on sexual harassment of womenIn the comments, he adds: One of my huge frustrations watching the sociopolitics of our culture is the fact that so many people are willing to accept the idea that men are innocent victims of predatory women who use feminism to get them. It's a bullshit story which gets paraded out all too often. Men who victimize women - whether that victimization takes the form of sexual harassment, abuse, rape, or anything else - they know that they are victimizing women. Rapists know, full well, that they ar… | /r/MensRights | 17/10/13 09:40 AM |
| -1 | She says "College Men: Stop Getting Drunk" .... what do you all think about that?And I suppose that makes it better? | /r/MensRights | 16/10/13 09:30 PM |
| 7 | She says "College Men: Stop Getting Drunk" .... what do you all think about that?Are y'all seriously not getting that it's a take-off of the Slate article that had SJWs all a-ragin'? | /r/MensRights | 16/10/13 07:49 PM |
| 3 | When Derailing the Conversation Is and Isn't a Bad ThingTrans women! Women! Queer women! Women of colour! Trans men! Genderqueers! Trans men! Bisexual women! Superlesbians. Women! Unintentionally, they've conveyed the flavour of feminist 'discussion' quite well: repetitive loops of exclamation!!! adrift in a sea of confirmation bias, aided and abetted by restricting who is allowed to be heard in the first place. | /r/MensRights | 16/10/13 09:21 AM |
| 1 | Kimmel's The Gendered Society Reader is not a "Highly Balanced" reader.I do keep meaning to update it... (Now you can see why I couldn't make it as an academic! Too flighty!) | /r/MensRights | 15/10/13 10:39 PM |
| 3 | This feminist writer believes that 'women are complicit in misogyny' by participating in porn and modelling for "Lads' Mags". Using her logic, men in pornos must also be complicit in misandry, and encourage women to be violent to men. Funny female on male violence wasn't mentioned...But the problem now is not just sicko men wanting to leer at female bodies | /r/MensRights | 15/10/13 08:53 AM |
| 0 | Handling your sexual and romantic relationships with women.It reminds me of Spamhood Academy shit. I think we may now be looking at The Authentic Spam Program. | /r/MensRights | 05/10/13 08:12 AM |
| 3 | I don't think spermjacking is much of an issue but...Here's the link. It's cited on p.48. Apparently it's 10.4% of men, and 8.6% of women reporting that they've had a partner who's tried to get (them) pregnant against their wishes. | /r/MensRights | 03/10/13 09:55 PM |
| 2 | I just can't do it any more.Well, that's setting the bar rather low! But in all honesty, I can't say I've noticed the tenor of discussion being lower on here than on Reddit in general. This is not an knitting and drinking tea society at the Women's Institute. Rather... it is this. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 02:39 PM |
| 2 | Launch of a new campaign to 'rebrand' feminism due to it having 'a bad rep'I would suggest not having a website called 'Make Them Pay'! What's hilarious is that someone actually thought of this in a room somewhere, and it occurred to no one at the time to say: 'Hang on ladies, I'm worried the name makes us sound like we have a vendetta.' | /r/MensRights | 01/10/13 05:15 PM |
| 1 | Where are the angry young men in the MRM?I think you just mean something much more expansive by PC. I mean - taking care over one's phrasing so as to be non-discriminatory in one's language. Gender-neutral pronouns, not assuming a person is straight, not assuming a person is cis, not assuming they're white, etc. Just as one can use a hammer to build a house or break someone skull, you can use PC language to build consensus and create a welcoming environment, or you can use it to censor and bludgeon people who haven't had the same educa… | /r/MensRights | 01/10/13 04:57 PM |
| 9 | Where are the angry young men in the MRM?Yet, as we know, Reddit is probably the most politically correct place in the men’s rights movement. Is this because younger people, even those who can see the validity of men’s rights, have been so thoroughly brainwashed that there is a limit to how far they can challenge the PC feminist framework, or is it more likely due to the open nature of Reddit that allows it to be influenced by feminist trolls etc? No. It's because there is some value in being politically correct. I'm basically with Ste… | /r/MensRights | 01/10/13 10:05 AM |
| 7 | Apprently Germain Greer said if a young boy gets an erection when with an adult women abusing him the sex is his responsibility. I am looking for a source for thisI have a feeling it will be in this BBC documentary. How you'd get hold of it is beyond me, though. You'd probably have to contact the BBC or the BFI. | /r/MensRights | 30/09/13 08:13 PM |
| 1 | Feminist blogger discusses MRA movement. Commenter calls her out in comments. Guess what happens...I've not read Baumeister's book. It's on the list of 'Books I'd buy if I had any money'. I think it's probably simpler, you know. Perhaps men and women don't differ at all about their sense of justice, and the current political differences there appear to be can be explained merely by rational self-interest (just as poor men tend to favour income-redistribution and rich men tend not to. you'd expect women to favour extensive welfare programmes since they benefit from them more than do men.) It c… | /r/MensRights | 30/09/13 07:48 PM |
| 4 | Idiots like this, who send abuse to well-known journalists, give us a bad name.Yeah, OK. I'll go with that. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/13 11:08 PM |
| 5 | Idiots like this, who send abuse to well-known journalists, give us a bad name.Why is this the story? The story here is that Mic Wright gives journalism a bad name. Read his snivelling apology to Laurie Penny's self-published e-book (always a guarantee of quality, that). Note that there is patient criticism in the comments from Angry Harry, one of the most famous MRAs out there, which is left unaddressed by Wright. But you want to focus on some hater's 'threat' that wasn't actually a threat? Yeah, I agree that this Peter Nolan bloke comes across as a twat. But he's not a p… | /r/MensRights | 29/09/13 10:08 PM |
| 9 | Feminist blogger discusses MRA movement. Commenter calls her out in comments. Guess what happens...Hey. Just wanted to say how much I appreciate your videos on 'Tube. As I was watching your last one, I realised that in Robert Sapolsky's lecture series on YouTube, he asks his students at the beginning to fill in a questionnaire, and he reports women always tend to put 'peace' higher than 'justice', and men the reverse. Thought you might find that interesting. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/13 08:49 PM |
| 1 | Are you a feminist man considering "dating" a woman? Conform to this impenetrable wall of jargon and get it drilled into your head.A good question to ask is: Is there any way I can be an emotionally self-aware, reflective individual who's read lots of relevant feminist material from Atkinson to Woolstonecraft (couldn't think of any 'Z' feminists), who listens to what women say, and still disagree with various aspects of feminism? Or does there automatically have to be something wrong with me just because I disagree with you? | /r/MensRights | 28/09/13 11:03 PM |
| 82 | These posters have been plastered around my school for the past week now. Am I the solution?Violence against women is telling sexist jokes, controlling and belittling her, judging her by how she looks. By that standard, 83% of 'violence against women' is carried out by women's magazines. I don't understand why these people expect to be taken seriously. You can call a tomato a 'bassoon' if you want, but if you blow it, you won't get Mozart's Bassoon Concerto in B-flat Major; you'll just get pips flying everywhere. Imagine the embarrassment if you at the Royal Albert Hall, and you covere… | /r/MensRights | 28/09/13 08:21 PM |
| 2 | Are you a feminist man considering "dating" a woman? Conform to this impenetrable wall of jargon and get it drilled into your head.Emotion and intuition are legitimate sources of information. That's good news. Because I had a strong intuition of self-hatred and shame seeping out from every pore of that piece. It's good to know that my having this feeling is, by their lights, a legitimate criticism. It saves me the effort of actually having to quote bits and explain why I disagree. I never realised just how much of a time-saver feminism was until now. | /r/MensRights | 28/09/13 03:50 PM |
| 1 | Saw this article posted by WomenForMen. It seemed pretty balanced.An unbiased account? I'm not sure that's possible, really, because it's an opinion Cathy Young has formed but where she doesn't lay out why she thinks it. Speculating a bit, it's likely down to some of Elam's own articles on there that are quite deliberately inflammatory, such as 1, 2, or 3. I would recommend the Honeybadger Radio segment where they talk about this article. (It's not all about Cathy Young, incidentally). It's not unbiased, but it provides a counterpoint you might find helpful. | /r/MensRights | 27/09/13 11:22 PM |
| 5 | Some MRM Commenting on This Miles Groth Toronto Hit Piece Would Be NiceReally? Groth’s comments come after a controversy over frosh chants that glorify non-consensual sex—or rape—of young women at two Canadian schools this year. Even ignoring the characterisation of those chants as 'glorifying' rape (which is tendentious at best considering 'g' stood for 'go to jail', a fact no one ever mentions), what does this have to do with Miles Groth? His comments weren't about those chants. One could just as easily have written: Groth’s comments come after a the tragedy of t… | /r/MensRights | 27/09/13 04:27 PM |
| 23 | Woman demands that concrete sidewalk posts must be torn town by the city as in her mind they remind her of male genitals. Next up skyscrapers. (TRIGGER WARNING)“When you really look at all four close together, they look like male body parts, which I don’t think is appropriate,” She's clearly prude-bragging that she's done DVDA. | /r/MensRights | 27/09/13 03:53 PM |
| 2 | UK Police Officer: "Now I look back I recall an incident where a man was fatally stabbed by his girlfriend - and I had not recognised this as a domestic crime. I hate to think how we probably arrested some men who were actually the victim because we didn't believe them..."I'm not sure the converse can be inferred. I don't think he actually thinks women should be arrested when they're violent. That's just how I read it. | /r/MensRights | 27/09/13 08:04 AM |
| 3 | UK Police Officer: "Now I look back I recall an incident where a man was fatally stabbed by his girlfriend - and I had not recognised this as a domestic crime. I hate to think how we probably arrested some men who were actually the victim because we didn't believe them..."Sorry, quote me the bit where he talks about what how he'd like domestically violent women to be arrested. Because that was my point. I agree that rhetorically what he's doing is credentialing - he's saying "Look how balanced I am and how much I hate violence against women, before I say something off script". But he actually ends up saying something that perpetuates the very double-standards of which he complains. Did you stop reading once you found a paragraph that you disliked? If you note, th… | /r/MensRights | 27/09/13 08:01 AM |
| 74 | UK Police Officer: "Now I look back I recall an incident where a man was fatally stabbed by his girlfriend - and I had not recognised this as a domestic crime. I hate to think how we probably arrested some men who were actually the victim because we didn't believe them..."It's a great piece, and very welcome. What's so telling about it, though, is that you're reading the words of a man who can't quite get his head around it. He's started to see that things are very wrong, but he still says things like this: Too many women suffer dreadfully from domestic violence and we must do more - it is clear that women are more often the victims and suffer worse levels of violence overall and I would want any man who does violence to a women to be arrested - unless it was law… | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 04:47 PM |
| 1 | Christopher Hitchens on censorship, since apparently I'm not gifted enough linguistically to explain why reporting hate speech on facebook is damaging to our cause.What you say is perfectly consistent, but I still think it's dodgy. It is wandering far too close to the 'free speech zones' satirised in Arrested Development. The reality is that public space is diminishing fast, and the rules of the game need to change to cope with that. The closest IRL analogy is that of a vast shopping mall (instead of Town Centres with public streets), and here I am deeply uncomfortable about shopping malls prohibiting protest within the general areas. This is something tha… | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 10:22 AM |
| 4 | Christopher Hitchens on censorship, since apparently I'm not gifted enough linguistically to explain why reporting hate speech on facebook is damaging to our cause.You're like the guy telling the cop that someone you don't like smokes weed. It's more like pointing out to the cops that the temperance advocates are having a piss up. You're still against the temperance movement, but you want to draw attention to the hypocrisy. There's no contradiction here. You still want alcohol to be legal, but if we're going to ban it, we ought to make sure everyone is affected by it, not merely them uncouth dockers and miners. | /r/MensRights | 26/09/13 10:14 AM |
| 2 | All y'all, the feminists are planning to kill all men.Feminists planning to kill all men? Over my dead body. | /r/MensRights | 25/09/13 09:18 PM |
| 6 | Anyone else notice that all the "bad male" posts are voted to the top and all the "bad female" posts are buried?So what do I get from this? If you look in the first 50, you get: Man baddy = 22 Woman baddy = 14 Both/unspecified = 14 If you look in the second 50, you get: Man baddy = 14 Woman baddy = 29 Both/unspecified = 7 So yes, OP, there is slight evidence that supports your contention. It would need further interpretation, however. It could just be that male baddies are more likely to do the most horrific things than female baddies, and thus get more upvotes as a tale of woe. Or it could be you've got … | /r/MensRights | 25/09/13 10:51 AM |
| 3 | Anyone else notice that all the "bad male" posts are voted to the top and all the "bad female" posts are buried?These are actually 51-100, but the number ordering on Reddit makes it go from 1-50 again. Man Woman Man Woman Both/not specified Woman Woman Man Both/not specified Man Woman Woman Woman Woman Woman Woman Woman Woman Man Man Both/not specified Woman Woman Woman Man Man Woman Woman Woman Man Man Both/not specified Woman Both/not specified Woman Man Woman Woman Woman Woman Woman Man Both/not specified Woman Both/not specified Woman Man Man Woman Woman | /r/MensRights | 25/09/13 10:44 AM |
| 3 | Anyone else notice that all the "bad male" posts are voted to the top and all the "bad female" posts are buried?I ordered them by 'Best' and looked at the gender of the 'baddy' in the top 100 stories. Note that 'man' could actually refer to boys and 'woman' could actually refer to girls in the following. Man Woman Woman Man Woman Man Man Man Woman Man Both/not specified Man Both/not specified Man Man Woman Both/not specified Man Both/not specified Both/not specified Woman Woman Man Man Both/not specified Man Woman Man Both/not specified Both/not specified Man Woman Man Woman Man Woman Both/not specified M… | /r/MensRights | 25/09/13 10:44 AM |
| 1 | So I was banned from SRS/r/SRSsucks might be more appropriate here. | /r/MensRights | 25/09/13 09:24 AM |
| 3 | Is censorship our new thing?One can have a list of preferences: That Facebook doesn't censor people's opinions as such. That if Facebook is going to censor people's opinions, they at least ought to do so consistently. There's no contradiction here. Indeed, forcing 2. might well make people see that 1. is the best option. It's only because feminists knew that they'd get to control what counts as 'hate speech' that they were happy with censorship. If it threw a spanner in their speech, they might see that actually they're be… | /r/MensRights | 25/09/13 09:11 AM |
| 2 | A tale of two pregnant girls...Welcome! I broadly agree with what you're saying here (Sonja puts the quibbles I'd have quite well, I think, so I won't repeat them). The thing that sticks out for me is why the second guy refused to pay, or even help pay, for the abortion. That fact does seem to be relevant to me. Even if we accept the principle that he shouldn't be assumed to be financially responsible for the child if he doesn't wish to be a father, he still very much should be financially responsible for the termination if y… | /r/MensRights | 24/09/13 09:05 PM |
| 27 | Female lawyer suggests that women should take some responsibility for not defining their boundaries, feminist freaks outI took it that you're stressing the need for people to act like adults and realise that personal interactions are always a matter of negotiation, and that there's no 'default' setting that works for everyone. I also think your post is a timely reminder that many people work in very stressful situations. If you made that work environment so that no one could possibly get offended, it would be so vanilla that it would actually become more stressful for a lot of people. People need ways to deal wit… | /r/MensRights | 24/09/13 07:44 PM |
| 11 | Who do we blame for this moral mess? As feminists, we correctly blame patriarchy because boys are securely at the top of the status game. Boys end up with the authority. They have their cake and eat it.She's not 11! She's in Year 11. That makes her 16-17. I really don't like it when people publish young'uns sounding off on controversial topics. They really shouldn't be doing that. It's irresponsible, in my opinion. This girl is not an adult, and should not be put in the position of having to deal with the sort of responses an article like this would receive. That's really not fair. It's not a gender thing; it's an age thing. | /r/MensRights | 24/09/13 09:56 AM |
| 5 | Patriarchy_is_dead_the_feminists_prove_itSee, this is why you can't stay mad at Cathy Young... Great little piece. More broadly, I am convinced that if feminism is to have a positive future, it must reinvent itself as a gender equity movement advocating for both sexes and against all sexism. Focusing solely on female disadvantage was perfectly understandable when, whatever paternalistic benefits women might have enjoyed and whatever burdens men might have suffered, women were the ones lacking the basic rights of adult citizens. But tod… | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 06:09 PM |
| 1 | Prostitutes say they enjoy their livesI'm not telling anyone anything. It's up to them. I'm just letting people know about the connotations it gives off, because they might be unaware of those connotations. I'm hoping to persuade here, not police. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 05:49 PM |
| 0 | Prostitutes say they enjoy their livesAgreed. It's become folk 'wisdom' by now. Just watched the news about men who'd been trafficked and forced to work like slaves on a farm in Newport. This doesn't quite get the same level of attention. Let's just say that there are Political Correctness issues involved. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 05:34 PM |
| 4 | Prostitutes say they enjoy their livesI was more interested in why someone does nothing but post about this stuff in 2.5 years, not whether the content should be here at all. (Not sure if this is worth mentioning, but please be aware that 'Feminazi' is Rush Limbaugh's word, and is not generally favoured on here as it is too closely associated with him. That, and it's a Godwin.) | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 10:37 AM |
| 37 | Appalling article published in the Daily Mail's Sunday supplement, You magazine, whose target audience is female [NSFW]My favourite bit is this phrase (on p.4): startling anecdotal evidence Think about that for a second. What could that even mean? If evidence is anecdotal, it can't be startling, not to anyone with a vaguely empirical outlook. All this article does is string together a series of anecdotes interspersed with comments from gender feminists like Laura Bates. That's it. That's all it does. The anecdotes that can actually be followed up upon (e.g. the Glasgow uni story) are reported inaccurately. This … | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 10:15 AM |
| 3 | Prostitutes say they enjoy their livesWhat is it with you and sex-trafficking stories? 2.5 year old account full of nothing but this stuff. Weird if you ask me. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 09:03 AM |
| 27 | Thoughts on "A Call To Men"Honorary Board Members: Eve Ensler Gloria Steinem Do I need to go on? | /r/MensRights | 22/09/13 09:49 PM |
| 6 | As a subreddit, lets have a conversation about male gender roles.I find it sad, and rather predictable (given you're an AMRer), that you don't quote the very next sentence. Quote-mining... classy. | /r/MensRights | 22/09/13 09:24 PM |
| 2 | Victim-talk.You may have just parsed the (badly-constructed) sentence in the wrong way. You've read it as this: Don't try to make emotional arguments to defend our positions. When they make emotional arguments against us, tell them to man up and speak logically instead of acting like a little girl who is crying because her siblings won't let her play football with them. You could just as easily read it as this: Don't try to make emotional arguments to defend our positions. When they make emotional arguments… | /r/MensRights | 22/09/13 09:16 PM |
| 2 | As a subreddit, lets have a conversation about male gender roles.Here's the way I look at it. The first thing you have to realise is that the nature/nurture debate is fundamentally stupid in the first place. The reality is that, with pretty much any trait out there where men and women, boys and girls, tend to be different, there will be a number concerning the proportion of all possible human societal environments in which that difference will come out. So, for instance, boys liking the colour blue would come out in a very tiny number of possible societal env… | /r/MensRights | 22/09/13 06:30 PM |
| 1 | Mom over at /r/parenting in looking for advice. Thought some people around these parts might be able to help her.Reddit Enhancement Suite. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/13 07:36 PM |
| 0 | Mom over at /r/parenting in looking for advice. Thought some people around these parts might be able to help her.Yes, there are known issues with it to do with CSS. If you have RES installed, for instance, it doesn't make a difference. But it is nonetheless a rule on here to use np links. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/13 07:29 PM |
| 0 | Mom over at /r/parenting in looking for advice. Thought some people around these parts might be able to help her.It takes you to the thread, but doesn't allow you to participate. It's a rule on here to use np links rather than www links. In this instance, your link should be: http://np.reddit.com/r/Parenting/comments/1mrps5/fighting_the_good_fight_custody_battles/ | /r/MensRights | 20/09/13 07:15 PM |
| 1 | Mom over at /r/parenting in looking for advice. Thought some people around these parts might be able to help her.np link please. | /r/MensRights | 20/09/13 05:25 PM |
| 3 | Amanda Marcotte wants us to know that the word misandry, or “hatred of men”, is “nonsense”.Scientologists? | /r/MensRights | 19/09/13 09:48 PM |
| 11 | After yesterdays article about cracked.coms feminist leaning they post thisI didn't even notice that. How utterly pathetic. | /r/MensRights | 19/09/13 03:36 PM |
| 1 | EU to ban anti-feminist speechThey don't say they want to protect feminism. They say they want to combat 'anti-feminism', and here it seems they have some very strange things in mind about what constitutes 'anti-feminism'. | /r/MensRights | 19/09/13 11:53 AM |
| 1 | EU to ban anti-feminist speechI've already indicated that the proposal is too subjective and depends far too much on who interprets it. I'm merely pointing out that Lucian has over-egged the pudding in his argument by assuming that feminism is intended as a protected group in the proposal. There isn't sufficient evidence to support that. One use of the term 'anti-feminism' in the description of the purpose of the proposal isn't a whole load of evidence concerning how it would actually work in practice. | /r/MensRights | 19/09/13 11:52 AM |
| 6 | Slates take on make circumcision.The point about medically-necessary circumcision is that the body-part (and foreskin is a distinct body part, with a distinct set of functions) is no longer functional at that point. So no, it isn't then mutilation. There isn't any equivocation going on here. There is simply a consistent application of one definition. You don't see how the second is designed to spark an emotional reaction by using words like "mutilation" and "violating" and appealing to "human rights"? No. I don't. It is not par… | /r/MensRights | 19/09/13 09:52 AM |
| 5 | EU to ban anti-feminist speechBut that's about the intent or purpose of the statute, and is not in the body itself. Anti-feminism, or indeed feminism, is not mentioned elsewhere. What's going on here is this. Lucian is trying to finesse this description of the purpose being to stop anti-feminism into reading feminism as a protected group. This seems unlikely, seeing as you'd really have to shoehorn feminism into the actual definition of 'group' used. If that's what they were trying to do, they'd have made it easier to slot f… | /r/MensRights | 18/09/13 11:27 PM |
| 1 | Sorry if this is a x-post this isn't original content, I saw it on fbFathers are important. Full stop. | /r/MensRights | 18/09/13 10:09 PM |
| 9 | Slates take on make circumcision.Er... No. There are very few scenarios in which circumcising a baby boy, or a boy of any sort, are medically necessary. As in all cases of paediatric medical procedures, the consent here is given by the parents. The vast majority of circumcisions on boys, however, do not fall into this category. They are exactly as represented by this claim. Go through it point by point: Your parents... true - they gave the go ahead. They might not have physically performed the procedure themselves, but they're … | /r/MensRights | 18/09/13 10:04 PM |
| 5 | EU to ban anti-feminist speechYes, that's the analysis with which I'm disagreeing! | /r/MensRights | 18/09/13 07:40 PM |
| 14 | EU to ban anti-feminist speechThe proposal will almost certainly be rejected, but it's scary that it's even being proposed. I disagree with AVfM's analysis that feminism would be included as a 'group' as defined in section 1(a): "Group" means: a number of people joined by racial or cultural roots, ethnic origin or descent, religious affiliation or linguistic links, gender identity or sexual orientation, or any other characteristics of a similar nature. The only way it could possibly wriggle in is under the weasel phrase "oth… | /r/MensRights | 18/09/13 07:04 PM |
| 3 | Slates take on make circumcision.Are you sure you want to say that? Here's a diagram for reference | /r/MensRights | 18/09/13 05:11 PM |
| 4 | Slates take on make circumcision.Oh shit. Sorry! Fuck, that is weird. What the hell is wrong with them? | /r/MensRights | 18/09/13 04:00 PM |
| 2 | Slates take on make circumcision.Where are you getting that impression from? This bloke isn't a 'hardline feminist'. If I had to pin it on anyone (which I don't think we really need to), I'd plump for religious groups. | /r/MensRights | 18/09/13 01:59 PM |
| 18 | Slates take on make circumcision.I don't think it's coming from feminists particularly. They (by which I mean some feminists, not all) just don't like us calling the (non-medical) genital mutilation of boys 'male genital mutilation'. They assert that it's completely different to FGM. This in spite of the fact that type Ia FGM (the removal of the clitoral prepuce) is referred to as 'genital mutilation'. So: removal of clitoral prepuce = genital mutilation; removal of foreskin = not genital mutilation. It's a silly stance for the… | /r/MensRights | 18/09/13 01:54 PM |
| 24 | Slates take on make circumcision.Your parents, you are told by the intactivists, mutilated you when you were a defenseless child, violating your human rights and your bodily integrity. Without your consent... Note that nothing he said addressed that fundamental point. | /r/MensRights | 18/09/13 01:41 PM |
| 4 | A question about 'Blurred lines'Or even just moderately attractive models. My gut feeling is that a considerable portion of the reason it attracted so much hate was the fact that Emily Ratajkowski was in it. This woman isn't merely beautiful. She's probably one of the most flawless beauties that have ever lived. She's scary attractive. Notice that, alongside all this stuff, she had to field accusations that her boobs were fake. That's a pretty good indicator that people felt intimidated by her beauty. This is, of course, under… | /r/MensRights | 18/09/13 11:07 AM |
| 4 | Rich feminist white girl rejects offer to work in dad's office, goes to Kenya and buys first female "massai warrior" title, writes a book about how she taught equality to the natives.And I thought, gosh, you know, there are lions, there are elephants in there and yet they're walking with complete and utter confidence and I felt that if I could even have 1% of that warrior perspectiiive?, then I'd be in an a more authentic place in my life. In other words, it was A-MAZING! | /r/MensRights | 17/09/13 12:16 PM |
| 5 | Men's rights looks like an anti-feminist group only. Have to dig to get the "rights" part. Warning: longI appreciate this is probably a troll thread, but it's still worth looking at the actual facts. I looked up some of the history of people using 'mangina' in this sub-reddit within the last year, and looked at the content of the threads with 20 comments or more. This meant I looked at the content of 4 of the 14 search results before it went all '1 year ago' on me. There was one thread where it was used in a self-post and no one picked up on it. There were two where there was a bit of discussion a… | /r/MensRights | 17/09/13 11:26 AM |
| 7 | Male feminist Michael Laxer: "Mens rights activists are analogous to far-right racists." (14 minutes in...)Cheers for this, Sasha. It was lulz-worthy as he filled up the bingo card. He has a Wikipedia page and it's hilarious: Known for: social activism Known for social activism!!! I love this shit. Helpfully, Wikipedia puts at the top: The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies. Ya think? I can't even get angry at these people. They're ridiculous. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 12:53 PM |
| 9 | "The paper advocates [...] that people with antifeminist stances should be put under surveillance." (Wiki)Whilst we're on the subject of Wikipedia, I should note that Anders Breivik is listed in a Wiki-categories (I'm not quite sure if that's the right lingo, as I'm not a Wiki editor) as a 'critic of feminism'. That still makes me chuckle. He's also listed as a 'critic of Islam', for the record, which is why I'm not inclined to make a massive fuss about it. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the only reason anyone has heard of this pathetic, narcissistic mental midget is because he mercilessly … | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 11:35 AM |
| 5 | This seems to be a bogus charge against men's behavior in general.'You're taking up too much space'... says the person who's dedicated a blog to posting pictures of... men sitting down on public transport. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 05:51 PM |
| 2 | Meet Tom Martin, Britain's most hated male rights activist...Here's why Tom Martin is wrong about 'whores'. All human interaction has transactional elements. You know how you sometimes have a 'friend' who's never there for you when you need them, but at the first sign of trouble they're on the blower expecting you to bend over backwards, interrupt what you're doing, and deal with their crisis? Well, at some point you realise that person isn't really your friend but is using you. Reciprocity is part and parcel of friendship, and you expect something back f… | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 10:34 AM |
| 1 | Blogtalk radio discussion about the cultish feminists infesting atheism. Cut to 75:00, I'd suggest, as it's very long.There's a lovely Guardian article where they get women to talk about how they feel about being 'breadwinners'. I don't know if you've seen it, but some of the selections are very sad and very funny at the same time. There's an awful lot of "My husband is upset because..." as they then proceed to talk about why they're upset, and some whining about not getting to see their kids, being jealous, feeling wrought by the responsibility, feeling trapped, etc. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 08:45 AM |
| 3 | Blogtalk radio discussion about the cultish feminists infesting atheism. Cut to 75:00, I'd suggest, as it's very long.In fairness, I think they're new to this whole game, and don't really know what they're talking about at the moment. I'm pretty sure they'd be clueless about, say, the 'Dear Colleague' letter(s), or about the extent of the DV industry and the prevalence of Duluth model stuff. It's also a case of not seeing the wood for the trees. At the moment, they think it's just their little clique, and an isolated cult infestation. What they don't realise is that this stuff is happening across Europe, where … | /r/MensRights | 14/09/13 11:51 PM |
| 3 | Blogtalk radio discussion about the cultish feminists infesting atheism. Cut to 75:00, I'd suggest, as it's very long.Well, getting a consistent definition of 'Patriarchy' from gender feminists is a bit of a mug's game, but it's worth stressing that it's not necessarily part of the definition that all men have dominance over all women. As far as I understand it, the charge is more commonly that men, through their acquiescence with a gendered 'system' in which at least some men retain power, are part of the 'oppression'. The idea is that we all want to be patriarchs (which is news to me, because I really don't w… | /r/MensRights | 14/09/13 11:41 PM |
| 3 | Writer for the Guardian says the wrongly accused should stop "noisily fostering a sense of grievance" since they aren't the real victimsWe don't know she is a false accuser. All we know is that there wasn't enough evidence for a jury to find Le Vell guilty. Based on the time they took, though, it's unlikely they thought it was anywhere near close to meeting a standard of reasonable doubt (a 90/10 thing) on any of the charges. But that might mean the jury thought it was a 60/40 thing, a 50/50 thing, a 40/60 thing, a 30/70 thing, a 20/80 thing, a 10/90 thing, or an obviously false thing. We just don't know. | /r/MensRights | 14/09/13 09:21 PM |
| 27 | Writer for the Guardian says the wrongly accused should stop "noisily fostering a sense of grievance" since they aren't the real victimsYikes. Orr's is not a good piece, which is uncharacteristic for her in my experience. She's right about Le Vell to some extent. We don't know he was falsely accused, and it's not correct to say that there was no evidence. There was evidence. Testimony is evidence. But this bit...: Start seeing people vindicated after trials involving sexual offences as people who have made their own unpleasant, unfortunate, yet heroic sacrifice to a cause much bigger than them – the fight for justice for victims… | /r/MensRights | 14/09/13 09:01 PM |
| 5 | Blogtalk radio discussion about the cultish feminists infesting atheism. Cut to 75:00, I'd suggest, as it's very long.I find this fascinating. If you look at the content, it's pretty much indistinguishable from the stuff the Honeybadgers were saying merely a day earlier. They're saying much the same things - that charismatic authorities are utilising the psychology of destructive obedience to keep vulnerable people in a perennial state of fear that only they can help people with. They create the fear by elevating the threat level, and then they put themselves forward as the solution. Not a novel tactic - Blair … | /r/MensRights | 14/09/13 12:27 PM |
| 14 | " Psychology researchers seem only marginally interested in the mental health of men, and most seem to begin with the assumption that men are predators, drunks, and abusers."What's fascinating is that 'Shawn' censors the comments, but leaves hers intact. So he seriously thinks "Grow up, man!" isn't hostile? This is a big part of the problem for me - men not getting wise to the difference between covert and overt aggression. "Grow up man!" is about as hostile as it gets. It's covert aggression, to be sure, but it's extremely hostile because it is attempting to shame a man at his very core. Compare it to "You're a fucking cunt." Everyone knows "You're a fucking cunt" … | /r/MensRights | 14/09/13 10:08 AM |
| 2 | What is the (approximate) number of "botched" male circumcisions per year? How does this compare to the (approximate) number of young women who are subject to genital mutilation per year?I can't get the original paper (paywall), but here is someone referencing the relevant study. EDIT: And Stefan Molyneux cites plenty of sources here. | /r/MensRights | 13/09/13 03:35 PM |
| 1 | This kid thinks we could save so many lives if only it was OK to say 4 words : videosAs I understand it, it depends on CSS, so if you have the 'custom styles' box unchecked, np won't make any difference. Also - RES ignores np by default, and loads of people have RES installed. | /r/MensRights | 13/09/13 10:44 AM |
| 7 | This is the 'male ally guide' for a radical feminist movement. There are men in this movement, and they've clearly been brain-washed into self-loathing. Is there any way we can save their lost souls?This is how I see things. There are strong motivators for men to be feminists, but for me the biggest is reaction formation. One of the hardest things to come to terms with as a guy are the dark aspects of your personality. Everyone has racist thoughts. Everyone has sexist thoughts. Everyone has violent thoughts. But these things are hard to grok, especially if you have an unstable sense of self. Surely only a bad person would have these thoughts, right? Enter feminism and 'progressivism' more g… | /r/MensRights | 13/09/13 09:31 AM |
| 6 | Utterly bizarre comment piece from one of The Guardian's cookie-cutter gender feminists but worth reading just for this sanity-restoring comment from 'SillyRestrictions'... Thank you, whoever you are!Cheers for this. He explains it much better than me. From the Lakoff book: If you keep their language and their framing and just argue against it, you lose because you are reinforcing their frame. This is probably the key reason why the MRM must be anti-feminist, or at least non-feminist. As soon as you accept the framing of 'Patriarchy', you've already lost the argument. The reason is that the term works by bringing forward the image of a dominant male - the patriarch. Thus, the most you can ev… | /r/MensRights | 12/09/13 04:07 PM |
| 11 | Domestic violence reality check for the 'manosphere'The article is riddled with vague allusions and weasel phrases: "According to one men's rights group website [which one?]" "These groups cherry pick studies with dubious methodology [Who does this? And which studies?]" "The studies they cite [Again - exactly who does this? And which studies?]" "Men's rights groups claim that such statistics are meaningless because males are less likely to report domestic violence [Who says this?] "(or femo-nazis, to use the term preferred by many) [Many? How man… | /r/MensRights | 12/09/13 01:52 PM |
| 11 | Utterly bizarre comment piece from one of The Guardian's cookie-cutter gender feminists but worth reading just for this sanity-restoring comment from 'SillyRestrictions'... Thank you, whoever you are!What's especially interesting is how easily the commenters get distracted by the cookie-cutter gender feminist's reframing of the issue to make it a matter of the ethical limits of vegetarianism and parenting. Notice what is presumed, i.e. what's off the agenda. It's presumed that it's perfectly acceptable that there is a legal arrangement in place such that a mother is even able to stop a 5-year-old boy from seeing his father for a year without there being any evidence of criminal misconduct, c… | /r/MensRights | 12/09/13 12:06 PM |
| 3 | 1 in 4 Asian men have raped women? Bullshit, here's why.This might help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR1zovKxilw | /r/MensRights | 11/09/13 01:56 PM |
| 14 | 1 in 4 Asian men have raped women? Bullshit, here's why.Don't be obtuse. If you're investigating to see if something (EDIT - here I mean 'violence') is gendered, you have to compare violence against a baseline. Without interviewing women, you can't establish a baseline. Think about it. Suppose I want to know if left-handed people are prone to eating liquorice. My study shouldn't just ask left-handed people if they eat liquorice, because I won't know if it's any different to the rate at which right-handed people eat liquorice. My study wouldn't test w… | /r/MensRights | 11/09/13 01:23 PM |
| 10 | 1 in 4 Asian men have raped women? Bullshit, here's why.I wanted to understand their methodology a bit better. In the report, it says (p.vii) Annexes I, II, and III and the statistical appendix are available at http://partners4prevention.org/about-prevention/research/men-and-violence-study/regional-findings Except they're not. I wasn't impressed, I have to say. I wouldn't go as far as to say it discredits their report, but it doesn't do them any favours. There are massive variations from country to country, and this to my mind suggests that translati… | /r/MensRights | 11/09/13 01:16 PM |
| 5 | Feminist calls for all men to be condemned of rape!God damn it! I want to know! I'm 80% sure she probably is a Poe, primarily because of this, but even so, I'm still not sure! If it is a Poe, it's very well done, because her random 'fight the power/discourse' crap does hang together in a woo-ey kind of way. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/13 09:43 PM |
| 1 | Can someone help me find an article about the readership of avoiceformenhttp://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/feministing-privileged-white-bitches-in-our-dust/ http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/feministing-the-women-of-good-men-project/ Can't see any % claims there, though. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/13 12:20 PM |
| 7 | Be sure to thank your local feminist.If you're glad that post hoc ergo propter hoc is no longer regarded as a fallacy, thank a feminist! | /r/MensRights | 09/09/13 09:20 AM |
| 3 | Found in my feminist friend's bathroom. Passive agressive?It's one of those situations where you can assume humorous intent where the joke is slightly flat, and not let it bother you, or you could let it irk you because you find it passive-aggressive. I once had a situation where I lived with some people where one of them put up a "Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them" poster up in the living room. I did find it mildly irksome, but I got over it. I think it was the correct decision not to say anything. If you get offended by every little thing, you end… | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 02:31 PM |
| 9 | Anyone on Tumblr wanna take a crack at this (cough) fine piece of writing?They seem to be presenting a false dichotomy. It's not an either/or. All they've done is present reasons that theoretically could limit the extent to which a 'male=disposable' psychology would be selected for because of the importance of pair-bonding for the reproductive success of the offspring. All this actually entails is that an equilibrium point would develop in the overall population between 'male=disposable' and 'male=needed for paternal investment'. Everything depends on the numbers at t… | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 02:13 PM |
| 7 | [Tumblr/Video] Woman sexually assaults young teenage boy on the bus, removing his clothes and grinding on him. People on the bus laugh at it as if it's some fucking joke.http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh7MxarEAXVO0Wji16 | /r/MensRights | 07/09/13 04:34 PM |
| 8 | Apparently male circumcision doesn't matter at all to some peopleWell, he's correct in the sense that one shouldn't allow our sense of outrage at MGM to interfere with attempts to do something about FGM. But if his intent is to say that one shouldn't draw parallels between the two, I completely disagree. He points merely to one disanalogy whilst ignoring all the commonalities - the cultural justifications, the ritualistic elements caught up with notions of ritual cleanliness and hygeine, the appeal to tradition, the impaired sexual functioning, the desire to … | /r/MensRights | 07/09/13 01:27 PM |
| 2 | Man forced to have sex at gunpoint. This is how male rape can happen.Doesn't look like it. | /r/MensRights | 07/09/13 12:32 PM |
| 3 | Highly biased child protective services interviewI wouldn't get too hung up on my handle - it's merely carried over from my blog, and it's intentionally provocative. Like I say, I'm actually agreeing with you on your basic point that "These are the types of problems & things that should be posted in this subreddit." The negative bit of what I'm saying is that the woman's weight is irrelevant to the question of her competence. The reason she should not be offering guidance about nutrition is presumably because she doesn't know what she's talkin… | /r/MensRights | 07/09/13 12:02 PM |
| 3 | Highly biased child protective services interviewBasically agree, but I think we can leave the fat comments out... The focus should be on her obvious bias and lack of professionalism. | /r/MensRights | 07/09/13 11:11 AM |
| 18 | Highly biased child protective services interviewThis bit was the killer for me. I can't stress enough how deeply unprofessional that was. It is not her job to be outlining her philosophy on parenting. It is especially not her job to be doing so as if she were talking to a 5-year-old, and actually ignoring his answer when he says pretty much exactly what she considers to be the 'correct' answer. Unbelievable. | /r/MensRights | 07/09/13 10:57 AM |
| 2 | Devil's Advocate: YouTube and Twitter reporting is not #Censorship# at least not from a strictly libertarian perspectiveIn reality, corporate censorship has been around for a long time. Plenty of newspapers avoid printing stories that will embarrass their advertisers, and there's self-evidently a 'business-friendly' editorial line in all of the so-called 'free' press. I think it's thus a tad inaccurate to pretend that the ways in which feminists seek to silence their enemies are anything new. They're merely using the same system that at one time existed to silence feminism. It makes contemporary feminists hypocri… | /r/MensRights | 06/09/13 02:10 PM |
| 1 | A Warning to all MRAs.So /u/cannotfindWMD has been deleted as well? | /r/MensRights | 06/09/13 12:04 PM |
| 2 | History question: Hypoagency and hyperagencyAwesome. Cheers for clearing that up. I must admit, when I first came across and used the terms, it didn't even occur to me to look for who first coined the term. It felt to me that they must have been around forever. | /r/MensRights | 04/09/13 07:31 PM |
| 5 | History question: Hypoagency and hyperagencyNeed TyphonBlue or GWW here to explain where they got the terms from, I suspect. Certainly the ideas were there in Warren Farrell's writing already (men's biggest weakness is their facade of strength, women's is their facade of weakness), but I don't believe he ever used those terms. Ginkgo from Genderratic attributes it to TyphonBlue, but I think the video that made it more common was GWW's video. A google search shows no results prior to 2012. That's not proof, of course. As far as I know, the… | /r/MensRights | 04/09/13 11:41 AM |
| 0 | Hi guys, I'm a female redditor and I have to say that I am disgusted about the double standards I've been seeing lately.Your job was to skin cats? | /r/MensRights | 04/09/13 11:23 AM |
| 16 | Sweden’s New Gender-Neutral Pronoun: Hen A country tries to banish gender.Just coming to make exactly the same comment. They don't even notice the tension in citing a massive, gendered educational inequality as evidence of 'gender equality'! The levels of double-think to get to that point! Every so often, you do have to pinch yourself. | /r/MensRights | 31/08/13 10:22 AM |
| 5 | Sexism against men doesn't exist? Riiiight..Is it me, or is the audio in that video a bit echoey? | /r/MensRights | 30/08/13 12:07 AM |
| 2 | On the subject of whether or not things are satire/jokes or not- I presume this is?Well, what would be your advice to a man who only has sex using condoms (5-10% yearly failure rate), and with a woman who asserts that she has no interest in having children, but who then decides, after the accidental impregnation, that she wishes to keep the baby? Suck it up? Or play Captain Hindsight and offer the following 'advice' - you should have got a vasectomy (which is still no guarantee, in any case) so it's your own fault? It's simply not reasonable to expect men to stick to that, any… | /r/MensRights | 29/08/13 11:27 AM |
| 1 | Who knew the Calvin and Hobbes artist was a stay at home dad?He's not. He doesn't have children. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 07:34 PM |
| 18 | Anti-lads' mags and anti-peopleI love that T-shirt: I have 99 problems and the white supremacist cis heteropatriarchy is most of them. Presumably the T-shirts saying "I'm an upper-middle-class snob" were all sold out? Anyone here really believe that if the 'lads mags' were bought by well-off businessmen rather than by young, relatively poor men, anyone would care quite so much? I don't. I don't believe it for a second. Even the very locution 'lads mag' sets up one's audience to think 'Oh dear, lads. They're bad, aren't they? … | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 11:08 AM |
| 21 | Stony Brook University's new center for masculine studies under fire (petition inside)Kimmel: To my mind, these critiques by the MRAs are inevitable. They spend a lot of time trolling the internet and yelling at people. That’s not serious research. Well, now this really does take the piss. Michael Kimmel lecturing other people on 'serious research'! The guy is an embarrassment to the academy and to Stony Brook University. He got informed about a horrific Woozle in his textbook that showed him up as a sloppy researcher, and he was unperturbed. | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 09:53 AM |
| 14 | If a man started dirobing in front of a woman would it be sexual harassment?Russia Today taking the brave stance of pretending a woman flopping out her tits is no big deal whilst blurring the image. And what a shock when they shoehorn in an anti-American angle at the end. Such heroic journalism! | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 06:43 PM |
| 20 | Feminist university newspaper article says there's no such thing as a good man in a patriarchy, and that all men oppress women by nothing more than existing. And more happy thoughts.What I don't understand is why a university would allow and accommodate this kind of hate. Freedom of expression. The only issue is whether they'd print something else pointing out what a bigoted embarrassment she is. That's the problem, I'd suggest, not that it makes it into print it in the first place. And yeah, I would bite the bullet on racist speech. I think that too should be allowed. Any content should be allowed. The only thing that should be disallowed should be on the basis of the inte… | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 01:27 PM |
| 1 | I find it disgusting that despite boys seriously lagging behind girls in education, being out performed almost always by girls. More attention is being given to the 'get rid of lads mags campaignSounds good. All the best with it. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 01:27 PM |
| 1 | I find it disgusting that despite boys seriously lagging behind girls in education, being out performed almost always by girls. More attention is being given to the 'get rid of lads mags campaignWell done, in any case. What A-levels are you doing, out of interest? | /r/MensRights | 25/08/13 10:04 AM |
| 5 | CondescensionHere's my pitch for a rad contemporary advert that's like totally hench. Fade in to the tune of Billy Ocean's 'When the Going Gets Tough'... Hulk Hogan does the moonwalk across the screen. "You want to be a real man, right? Well, real men are so tough that they don't need to actually show any backbone in real life. Instead they pucker up and kiss women's asses 24/7." Adria Richards, sporting an huge afro, walks on, drop her flared trousers and bends down suggestively, and Hulk kisses her ass. As… | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 08:24 PM |
| 2 | Deborah Jane Orr (equity feminist) arguing that Misogyny/Misandry are two sides of the same coin.Cheers for this. Here's the worry. There's a certain logic to it, but there's a conceptual confusion at the heart of it, which is to confuse the logical with the psychological. If you define misandry and misogyny as deviations from the average expectations (e.g. misandry is the expectation of male violence, misogyny as the expectation of female passivity), you get Ozy's Law for free, as they are simply logical corollaries. But the trouble is that there's no particular reason why these logical co… | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 03:24 PM |
| 3 | Deborah Jane Orr (equity feminist) arguing that Misogyny/Misandry are two sides of the same coin.DJ Orr has been pretty consistent on it over the years. I don't think she quite appreciates just how damaging the constant threat narrative is to blokes who are sensitive to such things (which is one hell of a lot of guys, especially those growing up without positive male role models), but she's at least been aware of it. Perhaps part of the story is that her husband Will Self was on the receiving end of blatant misandry quite recently (he was the victim of the overzealous security guard who tho… | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 02:34 PM |
| 8 | Deborah Jane Orr (equity feminist) arguing that Misogyny/Misandry are two sides of the same coin.I put this up in the hopes of sparking debate, rather than because I think it's an obviously poor or great article. I just think it's worth reading and engaging with. There's a querulous passivity to some feminist debate; an endless search to put misogyny up on a podium of shame, rather than just drown it in the majority's common-sense attitude. Common sense tells us that misogynistic people are insecure. Cultural noise – broadly feminist – tells us that misogynistic people are powerful and domi… | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 11:09 AM |
| 4 | Hi. People on this site seem to talk about feminists a lot, but..It's the same in the UK. 40% of victims are men. The latest Home Office figures confirm this. It's 1,200,000 vs 800,000 (or something close to that). | /r/MensRights | 23/08/13 11:55 AM |
| 2 | A woman argues against the male/female achievement gap. Imagine if they applied the same logic to the wage gap.A* is a grade that was introduced in 2008 for A-levels (this is the examination typically taken by 17-18 year-olds and is normally the basis for getting into university) because too many people were getting As and it was making them rather meaningless. It's a grade above A, and it's usually around 5-10% of entrants who achieve it. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 03:10 PM |
| 2 | Wikipedia makes a subtle pointI can try. For me it isn't about the consequences as such. It's about respecting the bodily integrity of a human being. (Although you could argue that ultimately this is a mere rule of thumb that's ultimately grounded in some sort of consequentialism if you wanted to). Let's suppose you really hate your earlobes, and wish you didn't have them. This is unknown to me, but nonetheless I drug you and surgically remove your earlobes as you're unconscious. Now, in one sense, you'd be pleased because f… | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 12:53 PM |
| 5 | I think they're making jokes about us.But they're soooo cuuuuuuuute! I can't be remotely upset about this. Also, it's much more original and interesting than the usual mister fedora ice cream crap that's about as funny as flossing with Melissa McEwan's pubes. | /r/MensRights | 22/08/13 01:01 AM |
| 11 | Wow guys, it happened to someone I love.I'm not quite sure what you're referring to (presumably the Shermer thing?), but the cases are very different. In this case, we have an unconfirmed anecdote naming no one. We don't even know where the OP lives. Nothing is at stake if we take the OP at their word. If he's trolling or making it up, all that's happened is that people have wasted their time. The same cannot be said of the Shermer incident. The fact that an individual was named radically alters things. At this point, of course you ha… | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 08:38 PM |
| 2 | Wow guys, it happened to someone I love.I think I get it. So the point is that privilege only extends to protect people who, in good faith, make an accusation that happens to be false and injurious to that person's reputation? So you could sue someone for defamation in, say, a case of mistaken identity if they wrote the allegation on a placard and waved it around in the town square, but not if they went to the Police with it? Anyway, cheers for the info. It's not every day you actually learn something on here. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 07:16 PM |
| 1 | Wow guys, it happened to someone I love.Perjury is a criminal matter pursued by the state, over which you have no control. Defamation is a civil matter pursued by private individuals. Like I say, it's a question of privilege. As I understand it (and here I'm subject to being corrected by /u/user1492), you can't sue a private individual for statements made to the Police, because those statements are privileged. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 05:58 PM |
| 1 | Wow guys, it happened to someone I love.I'm not sure I understand. Could you please clarify the circumstances under which a private individual whose only action is to intentionally make a false statement to the Police can be sued for defamation? I don't see how or why the actions of third parties could possibly affect the absolute privilege of that statement to the Police. Are you saying that in some states you can pursue a defamation suit against that private individual after they have been successfully prosecuted for filing a false … | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 05:56 PM |
| 7 | Wow guys, it happened to someone I love.No, he can't. Accusations made in the proper way are privileged and immune from any defamation action. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 02:42 PM |
| 5 | Dr Phil under attack for 'misogynist tweet' which merely contained the question "Is it ok to have sex with a drunk woman?"He didn't ascribe characteristics to an entire gender. He said that women aren't taught to empathise with men. And this is a perfectly reasonable thing to say (although it remains at the level of personal opinion, and should in no way be considered a fact without substantive evidence to support it). | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 12:14 PM |
| 13 | Dr Phil under attack for 'misogynist tweet' which merely contained the question "Is it ok to have sex with a drunk woman?"Your claims of agency are exactly what we are demanding that women normalize where they are insisting on the opposite. So, please. Head over there and be heard. Feminists are the ones that need to hear your declaration of agency, as they are the ones who are fighting it. Over here? We think that makes you a reasonable human being. Well put. I think contemporary feminists need to make some new badges. | /r/MensRights | 21/08/13 12:06 PM |
| 5 | See the problem here? Look at the law for a moment. You'll find it.I can see a few potential problems, in all honesty. Take the following with a pinch of salt, as IANAL or a US citizen, but these are the problems that occurred to me: The fact that the law is openly sexually discriminatory. It provides no protection whatsoever for a father who wants to stop his child from being mothered by a rapist. As such, I wonder if this state law is even legal. Doesn't it violate the 14th Amendment ("no state shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protec… | /r/MensRights | 20/08/13 06:48 PM |
| 12 | You think a girl is special? Sexism.TIL that trying to make a girl feel special is evidence of: a cissexist perpetuation of the gender binary contingent on outdated concepts of masculine and feminine emotions. That's some serious levels of pretentiousness. Next time I see a girl not try to show off how much Judith Butler she's read on the toilet, I think I might well say to her now that she's not like all the other girls. I'd probably wait until she got off the toilet though. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 09:53 PM |
| 4 | We really need to save football from the feminizers.IJLTH. | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 06:23 PM |
| 2 | In Finland's Ministry of Social Affairs and Health, there's a "Department of Gender Equality" which consist of 12 women but no men.According to this site, it uses the following approach: Finland has taken an affirmative stance known as the “if not, why not”/ “comply or explain” approach whereby companies are required to explain the reasons behind any deviation from the Finnish corporate governance code i.e. not having a female board member. It has been suggested that this approach provides a middle ground between the total voluntary approach taken by the United States on one end of the spectrum, and the quota model with str… | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 06:16 PM |
| 9 | Hey look, we made it on Wikipedia!I don't even think you need to go to the extremes. I honestly think you could quite easily list mainstream media sites as examples of sites propagating sexism. The Guardian, The Independent, Slate, The Huffington Post, and The New Statesman (I'm sure other people could add more, but these are the ones I'm aware of) all regularly feature opinion articles denigrating all men. Misandry is mainstream within left-leaning publications nowadays, whilst publishing equivalent articles about women would b… | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 12:27 AM |
| 5 | Hey look, we made it on Wikipedia!In fairness, I didn't say it was 'A-OK' to be sexist. There's a categorical difference here, which is that gender feminists tend to deny that misandry even exists because it's somehow not 'systemic'. I'm not saying the equivalent. So already I'm saying something better than an SRSer. I'm saying that I agree misogyny exists, and I'll make a bit of an effort, but I'm not going to do that much currently. And note that I'm showing that my viewpoint is culturally-sensitive. When things change, I chan… | /r/MensRights | 19/08/13 12:11 AM |
| 49 | Hey look, we made it on Wikipedia!From the Daily Dot article cited: It was a stunning condemnation of the 30,000-strong community March 2012 seems like a long time ago now, doesn't it? And just for the AMR crowd who apparently can't get things straight on their sidebar, here's the quote from the SPLC: In almost all cases, we list hate groups at the end of each calendar year when we publish lists. I very much doubt we would ever list the Reddit [r/MensRights] in question—it's a diverse group, which certainly does include some mis… | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 08:23 PM |
| 17 | You don't see these in the ladies clothes department.The joke is wearing very thin indeed. Maybe it was funny 30 years' ago? Nowadays, I tend to find that it covers over the fact that for many men, this really is their reality that they're struggling to accept. For these blokes, the shtick about 'the wife' (happy wife, happy life, blah blah blah) offers a scintilla of empowerment. Ah, you're only apologising for the sake of an easy life. You could stick up for yourself if you wanted, but it's too much hassle, right? It's not because you're scared.… | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 07:22 PM |
| 133 | If a man doesn't want sex, he must be broken and is a "crappy" partnerI don't know how anyone replies to these things. How the hell are you supposed to give any sort of advice when you know so little? There could be hundreds of things going on. I mean, how the fuck does this advice idiot know the following?: He’s a crappy partner, not just in bed. He’s in denial about something — whether it’s his sexuality, past abuse, childhood trauma or a medical obstacle to healthy sexual responses. What?! Or he could be be depressed. Or she could have put on a lot of weight an… | /r/MensRights | 15/08/13 11:31 AM |
| 1 | Literature for boys, young men, and men?I always liked Willard Price as a boy (round about age 8 or 9). Two brothers trying to capture animals in all sorts of weird and wonderful locales. | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 05:43 PM |
| 10 | Terrifying Nice Guys of OKCupidAs a huge fan of Tumblr, I've seen a great place to go and talk feminism, as well as a terrifying place that makes me understand how people can dislike feminism. The internet brings out extremes, good and bad. Not all feminists are like that! Our society believes a woman owes a man a kiss by the end of the first/second/whatever date. These things feed into rape culture. They feed into the idea that "what was she thinking going out that late by herself?" That "it's kind of her fault, did you see … | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 05:07 PM |
| 2 | Heightism is part of patriarchy and 'sexism' against men is really just sexism against women.Carnation? | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 03:11 PM |
| 6 | Heightism is part of patriarchy and 'sexism' against men is really just sexism against women.Indeed. You can think of it as 'second-order sexism'. It's a similar deal with the disparate responses to misogyny and misandry. Misogyny is supposedly grounds to get all up in arms about something, possibly censor on the grounds of 'hate speech', but definitely dismiss someone's argument out of hand. Misandry is one giant meh. That in itself is sexist. | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 03:10 PM |
| 5 | Hugo Schwyzer: we have the wrong focus hereSchwyzer taught at Pasedena City College, no? It's Kimmel who's at Stony Brook. | /r/MensRights | 14/08/13 11:26 AM |
| 1 | Feminist Censorship on Facebook is RealLook at the image. It says 'Article source'. That heavily implies s/he did post the entire article. It's a simple matter of inference to the best explanation. What is more likely? That Facebook censors opinion content from the website of the most popular newspaper in Britain (sadly) because somehow the content itself is objectionable; or, that it removes it because it violates copyright? Granted, I don't know copyright infringement is the reason, but it makes a truck-load more sense. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 01:57 PM |
| 22 | Feminist Censorship on Facebook is RealThanks for this, Legolas. Can we please upvote this to the top? This is by far the best comment on this thread. Many of you have simply jumped on the bandwagon without thinking about it. Other possible explanations tend to be available on most occasions, and you need to think about them before rushing to judgement. This should be a lesson to you about the importance of critical thinking and scepticism. For God's sake, we can't criticise people like PZ Myers or Amanda Marcotte and in the next bre… | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 01:28 PM |
| 11 | Feminist Censorship on Facebook is RealNo newspaper likes having the necessity for clicking on the link removed. If it had been a mere teaser selection of text, it would likely been fine. But copy-pasting entire articles... Big no-no. The Daily Mail even has scripts running on its website (go try it) to prevent simple copying of text, which is direct evidence to the contrary of your claim. There is nothing remotely 'insane' about what Legolas said. What he said makes much more sense than the offered explanation of censorship. I stron… | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 01:24 PM |
| 8 | Feminist Censorship on Facebook is RealSorry, how do you know this? It actually says 'Article source' in the imgur, which heavily implies s/he isn't merely linking to the article, i.e. the direct opposite of what you're claiming. | /r/MensRights | 13/08/13 01:18 PM |
| 4 | Be careful...Dude, you did try to speak for everyone - you used the word 'our' 8 fucking times! No one knows who you are. You're just some random person who shows up in this sub-reddit, launches a selfie, and proceeds to lecture. It's a major dick move beloved of concern trolls. Now, I suspect you're not a concern troll, but just someone who probably doesn't understand Reddit very well. I actually agreed with a lot of what you said, but unfortunately the way you did it is such that "Fuck off concern troll" i… | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 07:23 PM |
| 4 | Written contract to prevent child support.There must be some mechanism for it, though - how do they deal with sperm donors? | /r/MensRights | 10/08/13 11:47 AM |
| 16 | BBC Reporter Paul Mason refuses to answer critics after featuring a feminist-ran malware bot that flagg dissenting Youtube accounts as spam on Newsnight - Labels them "Creepy misogynists"Used to have a lot of time for Paul Mason. His economics reporting was pretty damn good, and he was one of the few journalists to question the wisdom of austerity economics. I actually followed him for the brief period I was on Twitter before I realised that Twitter was just a waste of time and I deleted my account. However, his reporting on this issue has been well below his normal standards. What were the problems with it? Well, for one thing, Mason's own reporting contradicted itself. If the … | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 05:23 PM |
| 3 | Imagine the outcry if a man wrote a condescending article in The Guardian about rules for managing your vagina...It's such a strange article. The tone of it is all over the place. It's like she set out to write something whimsical, but her inner SJW wouldn't let her. The end result is a weird admixture of snark, whimsy, jokes that don't land, seething anger, and misandry. I find it more confusing than offensive. I think someone just needs to have a quiet word with Suzanne and say: "Suzanne, we really like your work, and we feel like you write better when you don't try to be funny. Now, I know you can be fu… | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 12:19 PM |
| 1 | Looking for an old post about some sort of "happiness index".Haha. Well, you gotta speculate to accumulate... | /r/MensRights | 08/08/13 12:25 AM |
| 2 | Looking for an old post about some sort of "happiness index".'The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness' by Stevenson and Wolfers. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 11:21 PM |
| 4 | Rachel Marsden dismantles two bitter feminists. One Woman + Logic vs. Two Women - Logic = Win for Woman + LogicIndeed. They were making Marsden's point for her: feminism may have been useful once; it isn't anymore. You don't see anyone arguing that we still need abolitionism out of some misplaced sense of fealty to its historical worth. | /r/MensRights | 06/08/13 09:56 PM |
| 3 | How does this get "liked" and "shared" so much with no one seeing the grievous omission here? From Fb.That app really makes me want to buy some Kentucky Fried Chicken Hot Shot Bites, for some reason... | /r/MensRights | 06/08/13 09:42 PM |
| 11 | I was told that I only support mens rights because I am not getting laid right now. How do I respond to that?I would say: Even if that were true, how would that affect the truth of the sort of claims I've put forward? Here's an analogy you can use: Imagine you've put loads of effort into an essay, and you get it back with the comment "You only wrote this essay because you wanted a good grade." Would that be an acceptable comment from your marker? It may well be true (actually, probably not - most people, in my experience, tend to write what they actually believe regardless of whether they think the mar… | /r/MensRights | 06/08/13 12:55 AM |
| 1 | I'm new here, but I thought you guys would like this. "Do You Receive a Lighter Prison Sentence Because You Are a Woman?Version 12.15 for Windows 7 I think I do need to update, actually. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/13 10:56 AM |
| 3 | Feminist vs Alex Deane on Twitter trolling / censorshipWe need to stop abuse, you misogynist! | /r/MensRights | 05/08/13 07:43 AM |
| 30 | Feminist vs Alex Deane on Twitter trolling / censorship7:37 - "Alex, if you don't mind. I know you're used to talking over women but if I could just make this point..." 8:10 - She talks over him. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/13 07:30 AM |
| 2 | I'm new here, but I thought you guys would like this. "Do You Receive a Lighter Prison Sentence Because You Are a Woman?Right you are. Opera fails again... | /r/MensRights | 05/08/13 06:37 AM |
| 10 | I'm new here, but I thought you guys would like this. "Do You Receive a Lighter Prison Sentence Because You Are a Woman?You should probably read their more recent one. It neatly shows both a racial gap (3 months), and a gender gap (6 months). The gender gap is less than the one reported in the linked one here, which gives 9.5 months. These are low-bar figures as well. If you look at what Sonja Stark has been doing, she's tried to incorporate differences from further down the criminal procedure process. Her findings are truly astonishing: This paper assesses gender disparities in federal criminal cases. It finds l… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 11:33 PM |
| 14 | Woman dies in tragic accident, feminist blogger tries to make it all about sexismYou've missed the worst article by L.V. Anderson ("Assistant editor at Slate. My interests include food, feminism, and fun.") This one was deeply concerning. I'd say it should be used as an example in critical thinking classes to demonstrate the dangers of ideology: [Quoting the AP report]A 35-year-old media executive on a first date plunged to her death Thursday after the railing on her 17th-floor New York City balcony gave way, police said. Jennifer Rosoff went outside for a cigarette around 1… | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 11:09 AM |
| 15 | Found this gem on a facebook page that my mother follows.Hyperbole is everyday terrorism against rationality. ;-) | /r/MensRights | 04/08/13 10:18 AM |
| 8 | I showed my mom (lesbian, man-hating, radical feminist) Karen Straughans video on feminism and the disposable male - she went berserk.The ones who believe in an essential femininity and do not wish to share their precious victimhood with "fake" women. This is a misconception. TERFs aren't essentialists. What they say is that a trans woman doesn't have the full experience of being a woman because they've have a 'privileged' childhood growing up as a boy. What they say is that trans women still end up acting like men because they've had been socialised as boys. They still try to dominate discussion, use their man-logic (logic is… | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 12:01 PM |
| 2 | /r/MensRights in the New YorkerI take your point. I did bear that in mind, and I think I made clear that I was really leaving the gaming subs out of it. I think the point is that SRD and SRS seemed to be considerably more interested that MR. I suspect we probably just have a mild interpretative disagreement about the extent to which it's a prominent concern on here. I guess it depends on what you're looking at. I've seen so many threads about her get posted (possibly by trolls?) and it just not get that much interest. That's … | /r/MensRights | 03/08/13 12:03 AM |
| 1 | /r/MensRights in the New YorkerAgreed. Which is why you need to look through them to see the content, and see that it's actually more general discussion than discussion about her videos. This thread, for instance, will now come up on searches, and yet it isn't really about her, but more about the general cultural issues surrounding it. Remember also that /r/mensrights gets trolled a-plenty. Plenty of people think that simply mentioning Sarkeesian will makes us all froth and it will generate stacks of lulz. | /r/MensRights | 02/08/13 11:47 PM |
| 37 | /r/MensRights in the New YorkerI'm a little bit confused concerning the supposed prominence of Anita Sarkeesian on this sub. I've just done a search for the most commented threads on 'Anita Sarkeesian': Gaming Truegaming Gaming Games Games Truereddit Subredditdrama Truereddit Subredditdrama Truegaming Truegaming Changemyview Shitredditsays Subredditdrama Mensrights Subredditdrama Mensrights SRSsucks Games Shitredditsays To me, it looks like Anita has got a lot of attention from gaming forums (which is entirely proper), and SR… | /r/MensRights | 02/08/13 03:47 PM |
| 4 | Meet Cathy Young, our hypocritical "ally"...Possibly because I'm in the UK, the use of the word 'vulgar' did come across pretty badly to me. It came across as a classist dog-whistle. But I wasn't too certain whether to say something, because the UK has a very particular history with class that doesn't translate well overseas. I note, however, that Dean Esmay picked up on exactly the same connotation. His comment on AVfM was pretty good, I thought: Although I’ve admired Cathy’s work for years and appreciated her willingness to speak out on… | /r/MensRights | 01/08/13 05:25 PM |
| 2 | A suppermarket's decision to censor or ban 'lads' mags is a victory for the feminist TalibanIn the comments: After years of fighting against her - the Left eventually become Mary Whitehouse. | /r/MensRights | 01/08/13 09:35 AM |
| 13 | Hugo Schwyzer announces he's throwing in the towelIt comes to something when not even The SchwyzTM is supplicant enough to make it as a feminist. I'm guessing he quite literally should have worn a hair shirt as he berated all men for having a psychology that always looked to be more projection than description. So is it now down to Michael Kimmel vs Jackson Katz to be the one good man? My money's on Katz. That guy has got skillz with a flipchart. | /r/MensRights | 31/07/13 08:39 AM |
| 5 | Another Skep chick victim of the PatriarchyI don't think it's the business of /r/MensRights to actively deny other people's experiences without having substantial evidence that they're misleading people in some way. I thus strongly question the way you've titled this link. I would simply say this: if you do think she's not credible but haven't got any evidence to this effect, keep your opinion to yourself. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being sceptical, but whether one chooses to express such scepticism is another matter entirely. | /r/MensRights | 30/07/13 03:36 PM |
| 4 | "War on Men? Yeah, Not So Much." Arguably one of the worst articles I've read in my life.The male privilege is that they can become silverbacks. I'm not an expert and was only making a point for the sake of illustrating a philosophical point, but as far as I understand things from ethologists, not even that is true. It will depend on the genetics and the sort of parental investment the baby gorilla receives. Parental investment can apparently vary a good deal, and it looks to be even more important than genetics in determining outcomes. You're probably still looking at a fairly narr… | /r/MensRights | 26/07/13 10:05 PM |
| 17 | "War on Men? Yeah, Not So Much." Arguably one of the worst articles I've read in my life.I've read worse. However, these are the criticisms I have, ranging from relatively unimportant (1) to fairly important (4): 1 The former [The Big Bang Theory] features four male nerd/geek friends and their foil, a socially-aware (but broke and low-educated) female friend The show started with Penny as the only female character, but the additions of Bernadette and Amy (in season 4) are far from incidental. Indeed, Amy is in my opinion the funniest character in the show. I think it's also extremel… | /r/MensRights | 26/07/13 02:54 PM |
| 4 | Men’s Rights: We Don’t Want ThemWhat you say may well be true, but the problem is that you really need a smoking gun here. I'm a big fan of Bernard Ingham's dictum - cock up before conspiracy. Reality is seldom as interesting as we want to think it is, and governments typically don't know what the fuck is going on next week, let alone plan things for 10 years' time! The sense I get looking at the history is that things were fairly spontaneous. I don't deny that some very powerful organisations, including governments and notori… | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 06:24 PM |
| 12 | Men’s Rights: We Don’t Want Them50 years of feminism... Solution to men's systemic problems - more feminism! Sort of reminds me of the fans of austerity economics. Declining aggregate demand? Make it fall even more! More austerity! Oh shit, it's getting worse. Aggregate demand is dropping even more. Quick, more austerity! At some point, one starts to wonder if feminists have even considered the thought that an ideology positing that men are privileged might contribute to a cultural perception that men don't really have signifi… | /r/MensRights | 24/07/13 02:56 PM |
| 10 | For men, “leaning out” just isn’t an optionThis was my favourite: So my advice to you.. grow a god damn pair.. quit worrying about non-existant pressure from others, and start living your own life. I love examples where someone contradicts themselves in the same sentence . They're like little diamonds in the rough. In this case, it's not quite an explicit contradiction, since you have to add the inference that 'Grow a God damn pair' is itself an example of pressure from others. Nonetheless, it's still fairly special. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/13 11:15 PM |
| 5 | How cops busted the student who threatened to rape herself on FacebookAnd all I can think is... how many more feminists, and people more generally, have done this and gotten away with it? All it would have taken is a smidgen of tech-savviness and this fucker wouldn't have got caught. | /r/MensRights | 23/07/13 09:57 AM |
| 6 | I just realised how true this depiction of society's view is...It's true. I was down the pub the other day, and was taken aback by the fact that the real life human expected more from me other than describing my favourite reaction videos to 2 girls, 1 cup. | /r/MensRights | 22/07/13 10:05 PM |
| 5 | An issue with the response to the new Robin Thicke song...Do you mean the one by Carrie Underwood, called 'Before he Cheats'? Bill Burr had a bit of a shit-fit about it. | /r/MensRights | 22/07/13 12:34 PM |
| 5 | Marissa Alexander, and why her case isn't the next Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman incidentIt was amusing to see 'progressives' get it doubly wrong on this comparison. Not only was the Zimmerman decision the correct decision, so was this (although personally I find the sentence excessive, as I often do with US cases). They're both perfectly consistent with the Florida self-defence laws. Moreover, the results would likely have been exactly the same with the pre-SYG law (since Zimmerman, as far as the evidence suggests, couldn't actually have retreated anyway once he was attacked). None… | /r/MensRights | 22/07/13 12:01 PM |
| 13 | Internet users in Britian will now be forced to "opt in" and register with their ISP to view pornography online. Feminist groups "delighted".It's a load of bullshit PR. It is literally about relabelling 'active choice +' to 'default-on'. | /r/MensRights | 22/07/13 11:06 AM |
| 1 | "Armpits4August is making women's body hair a feminist issue" says The GuardianNotice the shaming tactics employed against the person who said, horror upon horror: When all's said and done, horses for courses. However I'd never date a woman with body hair. So he's merely stating a personal preference. Responses: That's fine, because a woman who had body hair and knew of your distaste, about which I'm sure you would be honest, wouldn't want to date you either. So... imputations of being a liar and undateable simply for having a preference... Classy. and... Gah! So many wome… | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 09:12 AM |
| 3 | "Armpits4August is making women's body hair a feminist issue" says The GuardianFrom their website: We acknowledge that not everyone has the same opportunity to take part in Armpits4August and that in a racist, sexist, classist, disableist, transphobic and lesbophobic society, some women, trans and non-binary people may simply not have the option to grow their body hair as a political act without it having personal consequences, such as increased harassment, having treatment withheld whilst transitioning, being questioned about their ability to self-care, etc. We hope that,… | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 08:47 AM |
| 2 | "Armpits4August is making women's body hair a feminist issue" says The GuardianI'm glad feminists have my back. Provided it's not hairy. ;-) | /r/MensRights | 21/07/13 08:36 AM |
| 2 | Supreme Court upholds Michelle Taylor's minimum 10 year sentence - hearing reveals full details of her crime.I quite agree. People don't seem to have even thought about the basic question: what is the point of imprisoning someone? 10 years is a very long period of time, life typically much longer. What is the purpose of being imprisoned for that period? Is it really going to protect society? Or is it entirely possible that this woman could have learned her lesson with a 3-year sentence (say)? Maybe, just maybe, she could have learned her lesson without any imprisonment at all, and her penance could hav… | /r/MensRights | 19/07/13 02:15 PM |
| 8 | The idea that female oppression is worse than males' is irrelevant to admitting the existence of male oppressionbeing the source of sustenance would put you in a position of dominance within said household This isn't a given. What matters is who controls the way the money is spent; not how it is earned. If a person knows that (simplifying enormously) their options are either 'do as she says', or 'get divorced, lose custody, and still be paying anyway', one's earning ability confers on you absolutely no power whatsoever within the relationship (though it does give you power in terms of your ability to attr… | /r/MensRights | 08/07/13 06:17 AM |
| 4 | Be careful who you compliment.Surely a PUA would say something like "I liked your paper in Neuroscience about neuroplasticity in the Broca's Area. My Mum wrote a similar paper 30 years' ago"? | /r/MensRights | 06/07/13 08:40 PM |
| 12 | Work uniform gender inequalityHe really doesn't have a point. His point is merely defending the status quo because it is the status quo. It leaves no room whatsoever for the possibility that the cultural expectations of men's 'professionalism' compared to women are unfair. They are unfair. Women get to dress with more variety, less expense, and greater comfort, and are still regarded as 'professional'. This is bullshit. To be sure, it's not the biggest MR issue out there, but on a hot day sweating your balls off in a whistle… | /r/MensRights | 06/07/13 04:16 PM |
| 2 | "What Will We Concede to Feminism" (Related)This is not a 'top-level' post. | /r/MensRights | 03/07/13 09:29 PM |
| 2 | "What Will We Concede to Feminism" (Related)From their rules: Please observe our rule regarding top-level comments: first responses (all top level comments) in threads here should come from feminists It's really not that hard. 'Top-level' is just anything that isn't nested. This is a 'top-level' post. | /r/MensRights | 03/07/13 09:29 PM |
| 6 | Here's my take on WHY women turn to feminism=> /r/mensrants please. | /r/MensRights | 30/06/13 08:38 AM |
| 10 | The subject of circumcision on MensRights: Why is there so much disgust and hatred for it?No problem with voluntary circumcision. Have even considered it myself, but decided against. You're misreading why the people opposed to it tend to be uncircumcised. It's not that uncircumcised men have more reason to talk about; it's that circumcised men have a reason not to talk about it. If you were circumcised as a baby yourself, you've got a very hefty item of cognitive dissonance to deal with - like it or not, your parents are child abusers. Literally. Not merely by some technical definiti… | /r/MensRights | 29/06/13 10:00 AM |
| 2 | My experience as a man persecuted by women.Sad to see someone who's a fan of Bill Hicks write something so utterly devoid of wit or self-awareness. I thought that awful song by Jem was the lowest his legacy could sink, but this is on that level. | /r/MensRights | 28/06/13 01:38 PM |
| 1 | Stardusk steps on his own dick - Paul ElamI wonder, though. Isn't it just technology? The disagreements are there for everyone to see. Even the 'MRA London' 'coup' that took place in meatspace spilled over onto the 'net. Had something like that happened 20 years' ago, no one would have had a clue about it. Thus far, the MRM has had the good sense to by and large stay off Twitter, and long may it continue. The amount of ridiculous fallings out that happen because of Twitter... The MRM wouldn't last a day before someone took all the balls… | /r/MensRights | 24/06/13 07:08 PM |
| 2 | Stardusk steps on his own dick - Paul ElamI've seen a few people state this, but where is this coming from? Where's the evidence that feminists have had a 'no public disagreements' policy? | /r/MensRights | 24/06/13 06:46 PM |
| 4 | Credibility check: 'I am a divorce lawyer' threadI ought to note that he actually states he's 30 in the thread itself. So you don't need to look at the /r/relationships thread. Not sure where that leaves things. | /r/MensRights | 24/06/13 09:49 AM |
| 19 | Credibility check: 'I am a divorce lawyer' threadOK, I've almost certainly caught him in a lie. Note here he says: the biases that i encountered in one college major do not have anything to do with what I do for a living now, fifteen years later. Compare to the information provided in a /r/relationships submission here 7 months' ago where he claims: I'm [29M] unhappy with the work-related arrangement I have with my wife [29F]. What do I do, if anything? Unless he went to college when he was 14, he's lying somewhere. | /r/MensRights | 24/06/13 08:40 AM |
| 4 | Credibility check: 'I am a divorce lawyer' threadI'm confused. Are you saying he's not who he says he is, or are you saying he is who he says he is, but that he's a 'liar' in some other way? You appear to be contradicting yourself here - if he didn't graduate as you assert is 'likely', he can't represent the legal field at all, can he? | /r/MensRights | 24/06/13 07:49 AM |
| 3 | An Open Letter to Penny Arcade, RE: CisgateYou asked for this: L UL U UR R DR D DL L Yeah... not laughing now are you? | /r/MensRights | 24/06/13 06:43 AM |
| 27 | Credibility check: 'I am a divorce lawyer' threadI don't think you need to discredit him. His view is just his view. Given that there's a gajillion men out there who can watch that The Talk episode and not see any anti-male sentiment, why should anyone feel threatened by a lawyer telling us he sees few problems with the existing system, everything's fine as it is, nothing to see here, move along now? That is the viewpoint you'd expect him to have, as it's in his self-interest to endorse the status quo. I take his views seriously, but I nonethe… | /r/MensRights | 24/06/13 05:45 AM |
| 1 | "A global report showing that Australia has one of the lowest rates of violence against women is hardly a cause for celebration..." claims Canberra Times of a report that does not even include Australia!The way I understand the term, an epidemic involves the rapid spread of something, usually a disease. Using such a term ratchets up the urgency of the threat. It's rhetoric, basically. | /r/MensRights | 23/06/13 07:23 PM |
| 3 | "A global report showing that Australia has one of the lowest rates of violence against women is hardly a cause for celebration..." claims Canberra Times of a report that does not even include Australia!'Epidemic of domestic violence'. Can these guys not even hear themselves? There has never been a safer period in which to live than right now, especially in the West. That should not entail complacency, but it should at the very least entail balance and having a bit of perspective. The lack of perspective and balance becomes less of a mystery as soon as you realise that promoting the cultural narrative of an 'epidemic' of violence is essential for getting government funding for feminist advocacy… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/13 09:01 AM |
| 3 | The Masculine Mystique: The central conflict of domestic life right now isn't men versus women or mothers versus fathers; it's the family against money.Indeed, whilst ironically having a go at men for being silent. Hmm... could there possibly be a connection between the fact he's so clearly terrified of being accused of being an MRA/anti-feminist and the fact that men as a general rule stay silent? Could it possibly be that men aren't actually that willing to be slandered as misogynist scum who want to take society back to the stone age for the crime of merely dissenting to feminist dogma? | /r/MensRights | 23/06/13 08:42 AM |
| 0 | The Masculine Mystique: The central conflict of domestic life right now isn't men versus women or mothers versus fathers; it's the family against money.If men’s voices are absent from the conversation about family, we have, I’m afraid, only ourselves to blame. Yes, there are the occasional pieces in newspapers and magazines by new fathers—a genre that at times seems more oriented toward establishing one’s literary machismo than toward engaging in substantive dialogue—but men have generally failed to make themselves heard. Those who speak loudest tend to be either members of the aforementioned men’s-rights groups, or explicit anti-feminists, who… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/13 08:29 AM |
| 5 | Dongle Joke - that's no way to speak in front of a lady! Men Can Stop Rape - To institutionalize primary prevention of men’s violence against women (not all people) !! In what other ways is feminism simply reiterating the chivalric and ladies and gentlemen rules?Sentencing differences (aka 'The pussy pass') - feminists now explicitly campaigning for women (and only women) not to go to jail for minor offences. Just repackaged chivalry and hypoagency as far as I can see. | /r/MensRights | 22/06/13 07:38 PM |
| 2 | The Moderator named 'sillymod' is damaging the MRA ReputationMy punt: /u/ExposingFeminists is /u/vivadisgrazia, an AMR person. | /r/MensRights | 21/06/13 05:56 PM |
| 0 | Graham Linehan of the IT Crowd and Black Books did not take our survey seriously.OK... but so was the civil rights movement and indeed feminism itself. All movements start out first of all being ignored, and then ridiculed. Just to be clear, that doesn't show that all movements that are ridiculed end up being good ones. History is littered with bat-shit crazy movements that are ridiculed and stay ridiculed, from David Icke's lizard people conspiracy theories to The Natural Law Party (anyone remember them?). Perhaps you are correct that this whole thing is a big joke. That co… | /r/MensRights | 21/06/13 04:43 PM |
| 2 | I like Lulu because it is a feminist’s dream app...the guys can’t see a thing.. and women hold all the power. It might seem a bit unfair to guys, but hey, we deserve it.Neither would I! I'm not saying I know. I'm just saying - be cautious. | /r/MensRights | 21/06/13 03:32 PM |
| 2 | Graham Linehan of the IT Crowd and Black Books did not take our survey seriously.Linehan retweeted it. Granted, a retweet isn't automatically an endorsement, but in this case I'm 99% sure it is. It's not like he's picking on something that's seen as debatable within mainstream discourse. Within the mainstream, especially the lefty mainstream Linehan is part of, the prevalent view is that the MRM is a bit like white supremacism. It's in the 'whacko' contingent. | /r/MensRights | 21/06/13 03:23 PM |
| 1 | I like Lulu because it is a feminist’s dream app...the guys can’t see a thing.. and women hold all the power. It might seem a bit unfair to guys, but hey, we deserve it.I'm a bit suspicious of this one... Anonymous BC Girl could easily be an anti-feminist poe. I doubt any feminist would write something so transparently damning for feminism. It's hard to say, of course, because Andrea Dworkin wasn't a figment of our imagination and much of what she writes is unintentionally damning for feminism, but my gut says that this isn't for real. | /r/MensRights | 21/06/13 02:46 PM |
| 4 | Graham Linehan of the IT Crowd and Black Books did not take our survey seriously.I think you missed the irony in my post. This is understandable as it was fairly subtle. So let me spell it out more plainly: I don't really think pointing to 'diversity' is a good criticism. The racial profile of people on this sub- is irrelevant to the points being made. My point to Graham is - OK, if you're going to go down that road, you've got some explaining to do... | /r/MensRights | 21/06/13 01:56 PM |
| 1 | Graham Linehan of the IT Crowd and Black Books did not take our survey seriously.Fair enough. I stand corrected. | /r/MensRights | 21/06/13 01:06 PM |
| 5 | Graham Linehan of the IT Crowd and Black Books did not take our survey seriously.He's quite right to draw attention to racial diversity. In that spirit, let's look at the racial breakdown of the characters on the three main shows for which he's known: Father Ted characters Father Ted Crilly - white Father Dougal McGuire - white Father Jack Hackett - white Mrs Doyle - white Bishop Brennan - white Father Dick Byrne - white Father Noel Furlong - white Father Larry Duff - white Father Paul Stone - white Father Fintan Fay - white Father Cyril MacDuff - white Tom - white Jim Halpi… | /r/MensRights | 21/06/13 12:47 PM |
| 5 | Flipping the script with feministsI'm afraid you've made a logical mistake there. Compare with the following: Sleet is a subset of precipitation, as is hail. If there's precipitation, it is both sleet and hail by default. | /r/MensRights | 20/06/13 08:08 PM |
| 1 | 32 Facts That Show How Men Are Being Systematically Emasculated In America TodayHere's a graph I made up with both data sets on it, the average labour force participation rate, and a trend line that is a five-year moving average. There are two clear periods for me. The period up to round about 1990, and the period since. Up until 1990, it was one solid trend - overall work participation increasing, with women driving that, and men falling off in terms of participation. Since 1990, however, the picture is that women's participation has not increased, whilst men's participati… | /r/MensRights | 20/06/13 07:58 AM |
| 13 | RESULTS FROM THE R/MENSRIGHTS SURVEYHumanism is, broadly-speaking, a secular understanding of ethical value that is by-and-large optimistic about human value, progress, and The Enlightenment. But it isn't really a substantive ethical view in itself; more a picture about the origin of value (our humanity, our human natures). Egalitarianism is a substantive political/moral view, however. It is any belief in the virtues of equality (in some sense). You need not be a humanist to believe this stuff - one could, for instance, believe th… | /r/MensRights | 20/06/13 06:59 AM |
| 1 | The Illegitimacy of the Men's Rights Movement as the Ideological Antipode to Feminism (and the failure of GirlWritesWhat to address it)I think perhaps one of the most regrettable trends in recent history has been the tendency to describe one's intellectual opponents as '~ deniers', a rhetorical strategy that seeks to lump people in with the sort of Holocaust denial that is commonplace amongst neo-nazis. I simply refuse to engage with anyone who uses this rhetorical strategy because it violates the assumption of good faith needed for any productive discussion to take place. Thank you for your interest, though. | /r/MensRights | 19/06/13 08:41 AM |
| 5 | Our culture treats men and boys as second-class citizensNot really, though. Look at how he frames the issues. He treats it as just obviously fair enough that young men now have to get treated badly because other people enjoyed privileges 50 (say) years' ago: At a cultural level, no one could argue with the Simpsonisation of fathers, and the dominant portrayal of them in advertisements, popular drama and films as little better than children, when they are not being violent or weak. Fathers, and men in general, had it coming. I don't really care if he … | /r/MensRights | 18/06/13 12:54 PM |
| 13 | Leaked poll results indicate Australian PM's attack on men may have backfired.Blimey. That is a HUGE drop if it's true! Gillard must be shitting herself. With those figures, people in the Labor party must be seriously thinking about a leadership coup and bringing back Rudd. (Btw, EP, surely the ALP had 33% female and 31% male before the change, otherwise the figures don't work?) | /r/MensRights | 16/06/13 08:38 PM |
| 2 | Not everyone on Facebook is a radical feministSpamhood Academy crap. Don't click. | /r/MensRights | 16/06/13 07:07 PM |
| 24 | Forbes Magazine declares its love for radfems and disapproval of mensrightsHe links to that God-awful Lindy West piece on Jezebel as "the best feminist response to MRAs that I have ever seen". Given that the intellectual competition could hardly be characterised as fierce, I'm curious as to whether this was an intentional case of damning with faint praise. | /r/MensRights | 16/06/13 03:56 PM |
| 8 | Sarah Ditum - Whatever you do on Father's Day, don't buy into the fear of 'men deserts'This one's quite amusing. Sarah Ditum sets things up as a big exposé of fact-checking only to discover that the facts claimed in the recent Centre for Social Justice report are actually pretty accurate: Checking the CSJ's claims was quite tricky at the beginning of the week, because the thinktank didn't release its report until Thursday. But it's here now, so let's do what Paxman didn't and see how those claims stack up. "Lone parents tally heads for 2 million" isn't bad: the Office for National… | /r/MensRights | 15/06/13 11:26 AM |
| 2 | Some MR-Related Alexa Demographics I Thought People Might Find InterestingAlexa is the source. Here's the links if you want to check them yourselves: AVFM The Good Men Project Reddit Feministing The thing I thought was particularly interesting was that the demographics for The Good Men Project were nigh-on identical to Feministing - i.e. strongly skewed towards a female readership. Make of that what you will... | /r/MensRights | 14/06/13 02:29 PM |
| 5 | This guy gets it right. Should be required viewing, especially for feministsSuperb. Just superb. This needs to go viral in a massive way, so please up-vote! Cheers OP. (Although I did spend the whole video going 'Who does that guy remind me of?' Just to save you the same experience, I worked it out - he looks a little bit like Toby from The Office.) | /r/MensRights | 13/06/13 09:35 PM |
| 3 | Scientific study shows that gender roles are for the most part bullshit.This is very confused. The whole point about gender and gender stereotypes is that they are a good predictor of behaviour. Indeed, that's the reason why we object to them. If it wasn't the case that gender predicts, with astonishing accuracy, say, the amount of time spent shoe-shopping, we wouldn't even talk about gendered phenomena. It would simply be treated like horoscopes (say) - i.e. as irrelevant twaddle. Gender isn't at all like horoscopes. Gender predicts specific behaviour extremely acc… | /r/MensRights | 13/06/13 12:01 PM |
| 3 | Scientific study shows that gender roles are for the most part bullshit.Well, the title is misleading. The study shows nothing of the sort. The conclusion of the study: For some time, there has been a striking difference in the way that most scholars and the lay public conceptualize sex differences. Whereas most researchers, with a few noteworthy exceptions, have conceived of psychological sex differences as dimensional constructs, laypersons were more likely to view these differences as fundamentally taxonic. We conducted our analyses with the goal of making explic… | /r/MensRights | 13/06/13 11:35 AM |
| 2 | A Question for Straight Men - If You Could Take a Pill that Made you Gay, Would You Take it?Well, it's true that anal sex is riskier than vaginal sex. However, there's a couple of things to bear in mind: That isn't to say the risk is necessarily high. You need to distinguish between relative risk and absolute risk. In absolute risk terms, you're not running much of a risk in somewhere like the US, especially if you use contraception properly. Around 1/4 to 1/3 of gay men don't engage in anal sex at all, according to Wikipedia. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/13 02:10 PM |
| 1 | A Question for Straight Men - If You Could Take a Pill that Made you Gay, Would You Take it?It is disturbing to think that we have... well, essentially stigmatized things like this. Similar I suppose to the 'Ritalin' crisis in boys. What do you mean? (Btw, you don't need to think that women are 'psychos' to think that you'd prefer to be gay. You could simply have relationship preferences that entail that, whilst women could satisfy those preferences, men would be more likely to.) | /r/MensRights | 12/06/13 01:28 PM |
| 10 | Bill Burr on Carrie Underwood's "Before He Cheats" It's pretty funny and he makes some valid points.Here's the song. I'd have no problem with it were it not for the sought-out-outrage about Tyler the Creator. It's the double standards I object to above all. I don't have any issue with people exercising freedom of expression. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/13 12:54 PM |
| 1 | A Question for Straight Men - If You Could Take a Pill that Made you Gay, Would You Take it?But nothing about being gay, nothing about a romantic relationship with a man, appeals to me. Isn't that just because you're straight, though? The point of the thought-experiment is that these things would appeal to you after you took the pill. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/13 10:17 AM |
| 2 | A Question for Straight Men - If You Could Take a Pill that Made you Gay, Would You Take it?Same question as for /u/tandgents - What about romance and companionship? | /r/MensRights | 12/06/13 09:25 AM |
| 3 | A Question for Straight Men - If You Could Take a Pill that Made you Gay, Would You Take it?What about romance and companionship, though? | /r/MensRights | 12/06/13 09:25 AM |
| 6 | I'm FrustratedI guess I feel like I can't blame someone for drawing a conclusion based on anecdotal evidence, Of course you can. It's a basic tenet of rationality not to do this. How much slack you cut her is up to you, but do bear in mind that it's part of that metaphor that you still might have to pull on that rope at some point. An angry period is OK. Becoming a man-hating douchebag is not. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/13 06:41 AM |
| 25 | Australia's increasingly desperate feminist Prime Minister ramps up the gender rhetoricI'm seeing a party political broadcast featuring a load of evil men (but I repeat myself) cackling maniacally as they play catch with a freshly-aborted foetus across the parliament floor. Then fade to black with the tagline emerging: Men. They really are shits. | /r/MensRights | 11/06/13 01:01 PM |
| 3 | Not talking about feminismFrom a political perspective, there's little utility in recruiting feminists. The aim is to shift this bell-curve to the right. You do that by recruiting from the middle, not from feminists. Politically-speaking, the only point to discussing things with feminists is if you've got a large audience of relative neutrals who can be themselves be swayed because they're not already committed to feminist ideology. From an ideas perspective, there's every point in such a discussion taking place. But you… | /r/MensRights | 11/06/13 11:17 AM |
| 1 | Why MRA has become my 'Feminist' subreddit.Is it? Cool. I'll give it a search. I've always wondered why the hell Wittgenstein thought it was good, as it sounds horrendous to me! | /r/MensRights | 10/06/13 09:19 PM |
| 1 | Why MRA has become my 'Feminist' subreddit.My goodness, you've heard of Weininger? I've long since meant to get ahold of Sex and Character, but I never got around to it. I can't believe anyone's actually heard of him outside of Wittgenstein scholars. Also, who's Gines? Do you mean Gail Dines? | /r/MensRights | 10/06/13 06:40 PM |
| 1 | British men will soon be sent to prison to be anally raped for watching videos online of women pretending to be rapedWell, it's not the fantasy that's alleged to be the problem. It's the graphic representation of the fantasy. But in any case, I agree that it's pretty tricky to guarantee people won't take clips of content and then put them on a 3rd party site. But given that a lot of that content is uploaded by the content-makers themselves, I don't see that as an insurmountable difficulty. I dunno, I'm just trying to think of some alternative to the sort of policy Comedy Dave wants to institute. | /r/MensRights | 07/06/13 05:00 PM |
| 3 | British men will soon be sent to prison to be anally raped for watching videos online of women pretending to be rapedWell I'm not saying you should be ashamed. I agree that fantasy, and representations of fantasy, really ought to be beyond the purview of governments. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't blur the lines between fantasy and reality, and it makes sense to require content makers to keep the things clearly distinct. Consider a video called 'Sleeping Bitch Gets Pussy Drilled' (I won't link to it, but you can find it if you search for it). It shows the man giving the woman a drink, and it's heavily imp… | /r/MensRights | 07/06/13 03:32 PM |
| 13 | British men will soon be sent to prison to be anally raped for watching videos online of women pretending to be rapedI don't think many people have any particular interest in defending the content here, although it seems to me that provided a disclaimer is featured at the beginning clearly stating the video is staged and all participants are in fact consenting to the activity, I don't actually have any problem with the content. Fantasy is fantasy. It's not my cup of tea, and I personally prefer very vanilla stuff, but it's not my business to be imposing my tastes on other people. What I do find objectionable w… | /r/MensRights | 07/06/13 09:11 AM |
| 1 | AVFM Special: Tom MattyBloody hell. His story is seriously one of the worst I've ever heard. I don't understand how he manages to stay so calm. What an amazing man! | /r/MensRights | 06/06/13 10:11 PM |
| 3 | Psychology Today's Pay Gap DeniersIn fairness, Walmart-Induced Nausea Syndrome (WINS) only narrowly avoided the cut for the DSM-V, so maybe your boss cut you some slack because of that? | /r/MensRights | 06/06/13 07:25 PM |
| 2 | Psychology Today's Pay Gap DeniersIt's the most difficult job on the planet. | /r/MensRights | 06/06/13 05:08 PM |
| 1 | Feministe demands laws to punish male infidelity as rape.In case people haven't already seen it, I'd recommend watching Snakepliskinist's video responding to a Pesky Dame in which similar themes emerge to that touched upon in the Feministe article. | /r/MensRights | 06/06/13 04:53 PM |
| 29 | Psychology Today's Pay Gap DeniersA strange article. She introduces two weak arguments before concluding by dismissing a straw man. The first point made is that choice and discrimination are not mutually-exclusive. Well, fine, but what of it? The onus is not people to point out that the wage gap is non-discriminatory; the onus is on the people to show that it is (wrongfully) discriminatory. Where is this argument? Where is this evidence? What we see is evidence that motherhood conveys a penalty, but it's not actually obvious tha… | /r/MensRights | 06/06/13 02:54 PM |
| 11 | Feministe demands laws to punish male infidelity as rape.Can someone who is rather more friendly to feminists than me please inform them that 'consensual sex' is not oxymoronic? What they're trying to say is that 'consensual' is redundant in that description. Oxymorons are where arguably mutually-contradictory concepts are put together, such as 'deafening silence'. And even this is nonsense, because 'sex' can refer both to an intentional process engaged in by two or more people, or the raw physical event. Rape is clearly not sex on the first understan… | /r/MensRights | 06/06/13 01:57 PM |
| 1 | "there are children to be bathed and put to bed and told that no, sweetheart, Daddy’s not here because it’s not his night." Kate Winslett gets told some hard truths, commenters call this "hate", "misogyny" (female author).Yeah, this was pretty fucking nasty. Rank traditionalist spite towards one of the greatest actors England has ever produced. Regardless of your views on Kate Winslet's personal life, a public attack of this sort is just waaaayyyy below the belt. And I'm pretty damn sure I'd say the same if it were a bloke she was criticising. | /r/MensRights | 06/06/13 01:40 PM |
| 3 | "Game of Thrones Offers A Complex, Nuanced Critique of Patriarchy" Huh?My literal process here: clicked on link saw the author clicked 'back' | /r/MensRights | 06/06/13 05:46 AM |
| 2 | Pro-women campaigns at work are killing mePossibly. I can certainly see situations where a particularly bullying boss has you over a barrel over something, and you actually can't just leave the organisation because you wouldn't be able to get another job, or something like that. A pattern of that sort of behaviour I'd be prepared to call 'oppression'. But it would have to be pretty bad treatment, and you'd have to be trapped in that job. | /r/MensRights | 05/06/13 09:12 PM |
| 35 | Pro-women campaigns at work are killing meJust so people know, this thread is being monitored by AMR (imgur). | /r/MensRights | 05/06/13 12:45 PM |
| 17 | This guy didn't know that public parks are for everyone but men.This is a parody site. Look at the other articles on there! | /r/MensRights | 05/06/13 12:19 PM |
| 16 | University of Leipzig (Gemany) will use the female form of the word "professor" in every case. So the students have to greet their professors like "Guten Tag, Herr Professorin", translated "good morning mister proffesor(female form of the word)" even if the want to greet a male professorAs far as I understand this with my schoolboy German, the situation with 'Professor' in German is like 'actor' in English. Just as you can use 'actor' to mean both a male actor, and just actors in general, you can use 'Professor' in German to refer specifically to a male professor, or to professors in general. By contrast, 'professorin', like 'actress', can only refer to female professors. Thus, it would appear that this move is a bit like the Academy Awards calling everyone 'actresses' and havi… | /r/MensRights | 05/06/13 11:44 AM |
| 15 | Pro-women campaigns at work are killing meI hear what you're saying. I do empathise with what you're feeling. It must be driving you up the wall that you feel silenced and even ridiculed. As someone who too has worked in female-dominated space, I feel like I have some idea of what you're going through, and it sucks. It really does. There's something extremely grating about hearing women bag on men all day only to get all princessy when you take the piss back. It's rank hypocrisy, and many of us bridle at rank hypocrisy. You probably alr… | /r/MensRights | 05/06/13 10:19 AM |
| 5 | Facebook wastes no time in banning the truthSpamhood Academy man again. | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 05:36 PM |
| 5 | Conversation with WooleyBumbleBee (Kristina Hansen)People in general need to understand that AVfM is not a discussion site. It's a propaganda site in the proper, non-pejorative sense of the word. It's there to propagate ideas and get people together so as to solidify into political action. If you're too much of a pain in the arse, you will be thrown under the bus. That's how politics works. You can regard that as good; you can regard it as bad. Personally, I'm too much of a cupcake to want to participate, and I'm more interested in the war of id… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 04:14 PM |
| 1 | Under UK law, only a male can commit 'Rape'Sure: Causing sexual activity without consent. Rape | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 10:21 AM |
| 11 | (Cross Post from AskMen) A discussion on American culture becoming 'anti-male'I like the way anti-feminism is described as ideological! Talk about getting things ass-about-hat. Compare: Gentlemen, don't turn this into an anti-Marxist thread. Restrain your ideological fervour. The response is: erm... it's marxism and feminism that are the ideologies, not the positions of people who oppose those ideologies! It reminds me of all those assholes who talk about 'fundamentalist atheism', as if the only way to oppose theism is to lapse into some mirrored dogma, as opposed to mere… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 06:43 AM |
| 1 | Under UK law, only a male can commit 'Rape'Causing sexual activity without consent. And the sentence is only identical for aggravated offences. For non-aggravated crimes, the sentencing guidelines are as follows: Rape (4-8 years, with 5 being the standard). Causing sexual activity without consent (2-5 years, with 3 being the standard). | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 06:32 AM |
| 2 | Would anyone be interested in helping us for a episode of our podcast about the bias against men in media?I would suggest contacting the youtube user running The Ignored Gender channel. He has a long-running series on misandry in the media. | /r/MensRights | 03/06/13 06:21 PM |
| 4 | Your thoughts on slurs and racial stereotypes etc?OP fresh account. Thread monitored in /r/againstmensrights... | /r/MensRights | 03/06/13 05:08 PM |
| 3 | Under UK law, only a male can commit 'Rape'Awww shucks... you already knew. | /r/MensRights | 03/06/13 04:40 PM |
| 9 | Under UK law, only a male can commit 'Rape'You're not alone: I also think that the legal category of rape is mediaeval, and it should all be under the blanket of 'sexual assault', because sexual assault, say, on boys, which are now called 'rape' but are still regarded as forcible buggery, they are as damaging and sometimes much more damaging that really we should be thinking in a less mediaeval way. Because the point about rape is that it's actually stealing a woman who belongs to somebody else - that's the etymological meaning of the te… | /r/MensRights | 03/06/13 04:21 PM |
| 9 | Feminist Facebook censors tell gross rape joke then laughI'm gonna let Lindy West field this one... The 'progressives' and SJWs of the world really need to have a big fucking meeting and let the rest of us know the rules for what's acceptable and what isn't. Because right now it's pretty much a lottery as to whether you're going to receive a porcupine-based anal fistula at the hands of the SJWs, or whether you're going to be lionised as the greatest thing since someone thought 'I'm just going to take a knife to this loaf and see what happens'. | /r/MensRights | 02/06/13 03:21 PM |
| 10 | Male feminist invades a /r/bestof post about MensRights that came from a post that I made in /r/Toronto yesterday about feminists trying to shut down MensRights groups in Canada. He tries to argue that MRAs include terrorists and mass murderers and his comments are not received very well.I'd highly recommend watching GWW?'s video on Anders Breivik. | /r/MensRights | 02/06/13 08:57 AM |
| 1 | "There must be compromise and negotiation between men and women ... in many ways, the worst thing that has happened to feminism is feminism itself.”I think it pretty much does mean it's fake, actually. There's no relevant hits for 'virtanen australian national university' either. I also don't think you can publish a study without it being everywhere. Then when you combine it with the tagline for the author of the article, Alex French, you get a vaguely fishy smell: I write, I sleep, I'm not French and I like to tell lies in newspapers. Looking through the site more generally, it appears to be a parody site. Look at this piece on Assange. I … | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 05:43 PM |
| 8 | Deborah Jane Orr - 'Alienation causes murder and violence – not gender, or religion'I thought this was a rather good article by an equity feminist. I've got a lot of time for DJO. The way she ends the article is spot on: The problem isn't men, it's alienation. And believing that men are the problem may be alienating men on a massive scale. Personally, my only gripe is that DJO isn't sympathetic to the thought that feminist ideology is a contributory factor to this alienation. | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 06:23 AM |
| 9 | Feminist fantasizes about tearing groveling male feminist "limb from limb". This is what a feminist looks like.I disagree. She found Hinds' piece to be 'neurotic' and over-indulgent, rather than a satire itself. Her point is that he should have just kept it to himself. The role of feminist men is STFU and listen, remember. I take it that the point of the comparison to violent imagery in her mind is that they both cause her to feel uncomfortable (and are therefore morally equivalent, using feminist logic). Rather than realise that this likely means she has a deficit in cognitive empathy and that she doesn… | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 05:20 AM |
| 5 | Make Ourselves Heard: Please Contact Facebook to Protest Sexist Double Standard in New Hate Speech PolicyIt ought to be wearing a fedora. ;-) | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 02:45 AM |
| 29 | Make Ourselves Heard: Please Contact Facebook to Protest Sexist Double Standard in New Hate Speech PolicyThanks Liam. Good work. Don't forget Female Supremacy Now [6000+ likes]. I'm still not sure if it's ironic. Poe's law in full effect, I suppose. | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 05:39 PM |
| 27 | Troll or true story? Lesbian woman lies about being raped and man goes to jail. She doesn't regret it (x-post from 4chan)Blatant troll. I can't believe anyone even thought otherwise, tbh. | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 05:15 PM |
| 4 | Call to action regarding #FacebookI'm not part of AVFM, but I have to say I completely agree with Paul Elam on this. This absolutely needs questioning. Look at how the campaigners phrase things (from the BBC article): "Recognize speech that trivializes or glorifies violence against girls and women as hate speech and make a commitment that you will not tolerate this content. "Effectively train moderators to recognize and remove gender-based hate speech. "Effectively train moderators to understand how online harassment differently… | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 10:13 AM |
| 11 | Paul Elam Interview with The Amherst StudentOnly 1 in 4 people will experience doing research in their lifetimes. | /r/MensRights | 29/05/13 01:32 AM |
| 10 | Paul Elam Interview with The Amherst StudentRespect for the Amherst college guy. Unlike some people I could mention (e.g. in the so-called 'sceptic' community), he actually got out there and investigated by interviewing Elam. He didn't merely read the SPLC and Manboobz smear-jobs then flounce. | /r/MensRights | 29/05/13 01:32 AM |
| 12 | Fucking SRS, dude...I can't believe they found out about it. Who told them? I'm so bringing this up at the next meeting. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 11:11 AM |
| 2 | Found out the value of my Eggs today. Feminists still have the gall to tell me I'm oppressedDid you know that you initially start off with 7,000,000 eggs and it goes down to around 15,000 by puberty? I thought that was pretty mindblowing - that's some pretty hefty-duty quality control. Imagine running a factory making (say) CPUs where you only ended up selling 0.02% of them. I wonder if women have adaptive behaviours that affect the likelihood of their progeny succeeding? Hmm... They really ought to study that. /s | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 04:58 AM |
| 2 | Two Fallacies From FeministsIs /u/Popsychblog actually Jesse? I absolutely love his blog. It's fantastic. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 04:35 AM |
| 1 | The Basic Problem for the MRMApologies. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 04:16 AM |
| 1 | Don't even know where to start with this...Hey Facebook, Rape is not a Punchline... It's a Headline. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 02:11 AM |
| 10 | Fanatical Feminists trying to bully UK supermarkets into removing 'lads mags' by saying they amount to sexual harassment or discriminationLet's be clear about how this works. The idea is that it's 'sexual harassment' because the people who work in supermarkets, delicate souls that they are (can only assume Kat's never worked in a supermarket!), will find it hard to handle magazines with a picture of someone vaguely attractive (in a plastic sort of way) on the front. My stance is thus: morally - hate lads mags. But then, I hate closer, heat, women's own, hello, ok, etc. It's all vile lowest common denominator shit that makes people… | /r/MensRights | 27/05/13 01:32 PM |
| 4 | Misandry in the no.1 feminist blog'Gendered bullying' doesn't necessarily mean that it's coming from men or boys. Thus, there's no element of misandry here. Sorry. You've just misunderstood. | /r/MensRights | 25/05/13 04:02 AM |
| 3 | I'm here for a reason.What are you gonna do? When you're young, you're sooooo easy to manipulate. We all naturally want to look up to our parents, and it's a brutal, brutal thing when you realise that you've been had. Anyway, cheers for talking about this stuff. I think your story is needed on this forum so that people get a bit of perspective. | /r/MensRights | 25/05/13 03:53 AM |
| 3 | I'm here for a reason.Duly noted. I wish there was something more I could say except that I believe you and respect your views. I'm sorry you had such a hard time. Your father sounds like a real piece of work, and I don't blame you in the slightest for being angry about it. | /r/MensRights | 25/05/13 03:26 AM |
| 1 | Wise Words.I was kinda hoping that would be this. | /r/MensRights | 25/05/13 02:52 AM |
| 4 | Women are shown to be less content with monogamy then menI really wouldn't pay her any heed, to be honest. Marcotte has form when it comes to embarrassing ignorance of evolutionary psychology: read this. And let's not forget her meltdown recognising that the Duke Lacrosse players were innocent. Here's Cathy Young on the incident. | /r/MensRights | 25/05/13 02:49 AM |
| 11 | Richard Dawkins calls out Feminist scapegoating white men, and gets monstered by the Online Wimmin Mob. ~storifyYou simply have to read the Shakesville thread on this. Here's some of the more hilarious comments: This claptrap about sociology reminds me of some comments I read elsewhere today saying that the research into stereotype threat is unconvincing because it's conducted by psychology departments. But I'm sure they'll get right on board as soon as multiple physics departments definitively prove the existence of stereotype threat at the atomic level. I'm somewhat curious as to how they imagine stereo… | /r/MensRights | 24/05/13 09:59 PM |
| 19 | Feminist bigot Pepper Schwartz writes article "can men control themselves?" Asks "can men evolve ... or are men biologically, unstoppably, wired for sexual aggression?"Men are not helpless slaves to their DNA or their hormones. Your average Dad or boyfriend is not surreptitiously videotaping women in a school shower On the other hand, a sergeant at West Point (!) has been accused of doing just that, and taken with the variety of sexual offenses that seem to be epidemic in the military, one might reasonably assume that there is a vulnerability in a certain kind of man, in a certain kind of environment, for foul sexual behavior. To me, the headline should be 'Pr… | /r/MensRights | 24/05/13 06:34 PM |
| 3 | The other day I posted a link to a video of men heroes. This story has women heroes in it. Police woman shot the murders, and women shielded the body...unfortunately already dead.It's worth reading the eye-witness testimony of one of the women involved. She certainly does appear pretty God-damn gutsy. | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 07:21 AM |
| 26 | "Most comprehensive review of the scholarly domestic violence research literature ever conducted" concludes female perpetration comparable to menWatch the second part of the interview with John Hamel. It gives a lot of context to the research if you're unfamiliar with it. John Hamel: It's been a long road. There's some vested interests in keeping the status quo. There are some idealogues who, against all empirical evidence to the contrary, will insist that domestic violence is a gendered problem. Strong stuff. Will feminists actually listen? | /r/MensRights | 22/05/13 09:59 PM |
| 1 | Evolutionary Husband Samsung CommercialHaha! Cheers for letting me know. This is how I took the news. | /r/MensRights | 22/05/13 09:00 PM |
| 6 | "All your life you are told by others what it means to be a real man..." -Paul ElamYou're not recognising the distinction between the empirical question as to the extent to which male roles are invariable across environment due to features of the genotype, with questions about taking on labels and identities. When it comes to the latter, a free person is someone who takes ownership of their own process of identification. They get to decide for themselves what, if anything, being a man means to them. That makes no empirical claim whatsoever about the extent to which such a deci… | /r/MensRights | 22/05/13 01:17 PM |
| 9 | New leap forward!: My college is opening a male studies program :) (Stony Brook University)I can't believe no one's linked the most recent revelation about his less-than-awesome scholarship in his Gender Studies textbook(!) The Gendered Society. | /r/MensRights | 20/05/13 11:32 PM |
| -7 | Pregnant wife gets only four months for murdering husband - she shot him with a handgun after chasing him in her car for six blocks: Inequality under the law, sexist female sentencing discount.The Kansas City Star reports she was given a 7-year sentence. | /r/MensRights | 18/05/13 09:04 PM |
| 5 | Wake up as the opposite sex?From Cathy Young's original article where she confronted Kimmel with his rather blatant quackery: He conceded that he might have "misquoted" Tavris and Wade, noting that he felt this did not affect his overall argument and hoping that I could "evaluate the larger value of the book without being distracted by a single error." It's not a single error, though, is it, Kimmel? Not only did you not even read the original source, you didn't even manage to notice the date of it! This is the sort of 'err… | /r/MensRights | 18/05/13 03:44 PM |
| 7 | Wake up as the opposite sex?Indeed. It's pretty obvious he never read the original source, and just copied the source citation from somewhere else. We know the claim is still in the 4th edition (2007) of The Gendered Society, but I'd like to know if it's in the 5th edition (2012) still. Anyone know? | /r/MensRights | 18/05/13 03:30 PM |
| 2 | [Meta] I'm out. This subreddit is done.Your evidence that this subreddit has gone downhill is a heavily downvoted comment. With respect, this is true but very misleading. This is what things looked like before the brigading. Plenty of people were also down-voting my response before the brigading happened, although I'm still not really sure why. There's a lamentable sense of wishing to re-write history here. Regardless of whether the OP here is a troll (and I doubt he is), it is nonetheless a genuine concern that the comment he highli… | /r/MensRights | 17/05/13 07:33 PM |
| 33 | Evolutionary Husband Samsung CommercialFucking hell. This is going straight on my list. That's probably one of the most vile adverts I've ever seen. This isn't the normal IV drip of laughing at men; this is simply mainlining outright contempt. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/13 03:07 PM |
| 2 | Mirrored article about misandry, feminism and Men's rights. Skip to part 4 for a worthwhile read-up for any Men's Rights activist!Does no one credit the author of things, anymore? This is Lindy West's article. There are loads of articles responding to it. Here are 4: Eye of Woden Palmatier at AVFM Ally Fogg Me! | /r/MensRights | 17/05/13 11:53 AM |
| 12 | "We need to talk about masculinity" says Laurie Penny at the GuardianI gave up on Penny a long time ago. Comments like this show why: As Abbott noted, domestic and gendered violence always increases during times of high unemployment and social breakdown, because men often find it easier to take their feelings of frustration and powerlessness out on women. Later on in her article, she then has the audacity to complain about 'lazy stereotypes'. Motes and beams, Laurie... David Starkey had it right about her. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/13 01:38 AM |
| 3 | Most shocking federal policy yet: sexual harassment on campus is now defined by the accuser's subjective feelings, regardless of how irrational they might beYou're right. Basically, they're saying that "Sexual harassment is unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature." Thus, if I were singing "I like big butts and I cannot lie" and someone overheard it and didn't like it, it would constitute sexual harassment automatically. The definition itself is wholly subjective, and has nothing to do with hostile environments or whether a reasonable person would think it objectionable. As such, it does appear to be a straightforward tearing up of the First Amendment. | /r/MensRights | 16/05/13 05:24 PM |
| 6 | Men who are physically strong are more likely to have right wing political views; Weaker men more likely to support welfare state and wealth redistributionThis is grossly-incompetent science reporting (quel surprise). From the abstract: In studies conducted in Argentina, Denmark and the U.S., men with greater upper body strength more strongly endorsed the self-beneficial position: Among men of lower socioeconomic status (SES), strength predicted increased support for redistribution; among men of higher SES, strength predicted increased opposition to redistribution. What they found, then, is that physical strength, combined with economic status, tu… | /r/MensRights | 16/05/13 02:42 PM |
| 62 | Train a society of men that the only acceptable option is to be "the nice guy". But.. If they notice that it works against them in dating that must mean they only want sex. So berate and chastise themI think this is a bit harsh. For one thing, it assumes that 'friendzoning' is an intentional thing. I think it's more likely a case of an unconscious thing that people aren't terribly keen to examine. To what extent they are culpable for this lack of self-reflection is a tricky question. To see this, consider that nearly everyone carries around unconscious racial bias. To what extent are they morally responsible for this bias? Are they obligated, for instance, to critically examine their unconsc… | /r/MensRights | 16/05/13 02:24 PM |
| 4 | Most shocking federal policy yet: sexual harassment on campus is now defined by the accuser's subjective feelings, regardless of how irrational they might beI'm still unclear on whether it is a subjective definition overall as opposed to having subjective elements. IIRC, the policy still maintains that it is an objective question as to whether the 'harassment' creates a hostile environment. Is anyone a lawyer on here, or someone who's really gone into the nitty-gritty? Can you help me out? | /r/MensRights | 16/05/13 12:52 PM |
| 6 | The Guardian (UK) - How tackling the 'crisis of masculinity' creates a crisis for feminism'Is something changing at the Guardian?', you start to think... I've been here before. A couple of articles suggesting that light can creep through the cracks of the gynocentric feminist edifice created therein. 'Are the cracks opening up?' Normally you get to hope for a day or so, until the latest, badly-researched, gynocentric feminist rant comes along and it's back to business as usual. This time you only got 4 hours of false hope before Suzanne Moore came along to issue the following totally… | /r/MensRights | 16/05/13 12:03 AM |
| 6 | York University Feminist Society Founder 'Repulsed' By Verbal Attacks From "Hoax" Men's Rights Facebook GroupI don't think it's accurate to describe it as a 'false flag' thing. It seems to be a general purpose piss-take, a kind of South Park approach to the issue. MRAs are satirised, femsoc is satirised, the SU is satirised. I think, in all honesty, Sholto David should have stood his ground rather than apologise. Satire should enjoy free speech protection, especially in a bloody university. I'm extremely disappointed that the university didn't back him, choosing instead to issue him with a formal warni… | /r/MensRights | 15/05/13 03:18 PM |
| 2 | When people say "teach them not to rape," they aren't assuming anyone is a rapist.You need to distinguish between the aims of something, which may well be noble, and the specific programme itself, which may well be pernicious. I'm all for combatting malaria. Does this mean I'm in favour of putting substantial funds into homeopathic treatment for malaria? No. I'm all for combatting rape. Does this mean I'm in favour of putting substantial funds into feminist indoctrination programmes? No. | /r/MensRights | 15/05/13 02:48 PM |
| 48 | York University Feminist Society Founder 'Repulsed' By Verbal Attacks From "Hoax" Men's Rights Facebook GroupHer comment displayed a breathtaking lack of self-awareness and an entitled mindset, a kind of Princess Feminism, if you will: They were making life hard for me because they repeatedly singled me out by name to attack. Because you were the person who put herself in the limelight. You're advocating a substantive political position, you're going to draw criticism directed against said position, and inevitably it's going to be directed against what you say. There were making life hard for me becaus… | /r/MensRights | 15/05/13 02:09 PM |
| 5 | Gender equality and the view on Feminism in Sweden.Indeed. I call this genderising. It's the gender-equivalent of what's called 'racialism' in racial identity politics. You take an issue, and arbitrarily restrict its scope to how it affects group X. No reasons are ever provided for why this restriction of scope is needed. Thus, instead of talking about unemployment, you talk about female unemployment. Instead of talking about IPV, you talk about 'battered women'. Instead of talking about sexual assault, you talk about 'rape' (in the UK, rape is … | /r/MensRights | 15/05/13 01:22 PM |
| 6 | Gender equality and the view on Feminism in Sweden.Some of them are obviously bullshit, but that's not really the most important point here. None of the examples actually explain why feminism, and specifically feminism, is needed. Why not simply say that gender egalitarianism is needed, i.e. without all the feminist 'theory' baggage? This is a question they don't even consider. They simply assume feminism is about 'working towards' equality. Just in the same way that the NRA is about protecting the constitution, presumably. Just take our word fo… | /r/MensRights | 15/05/13 12:43 PM |
| 1 | "Why it’s OK for women to use their assets to get ahead" Actual headline for UK teen website.Not sure I see a problem here. | /r/MensRights | 15/05/13 11:55 AM |
| 7 | SPLC at it again.I presume, then, that the SPLC will be doing a similar piece about how feminists exploited the tragic suicide of Rehteah Parsons by propagandising ideological claims about 'rape culture'? Example 1. Example 2. Example 3. Example 4. Example 5. Example 6. | /r/MensRights | 14/05/13 10:06 PM |
| 2 | Reactions to women attacking men.It's worth checking out the spiking a drink one as well. | /r/MensRights | 12/05/13 07:32 PM |
| 13 | For all those who think you shouldn't have to pay child support...You're putting selfish, indignant mens feelings ahead of the children they created. I have not been malicious or antagonizing in this post. Ahem. | /r/MensRights | 12/05/13 05:18 PM |
| 47 | Feminists complain of being silenced by transsexual activists -- How Does It Feel?The scientists with the highest public profile, men like Stephen Pinker and Simon Baron-Cohen, are politically liberal rather than conservative, and claim to support gender equality and justice: what they oppose is any definition of those things based on the assumption that gender is a social construct. Their goal is to persuade their fellow-liberals that feminism got it wrong about gender, which is not socially constructed but ‘hard-wired’ in the human brain. Oh dear. Note that this is a positi… | /r/MensRights | 12/05/13 04:21 PM |
| 2 | Took a dive into 'AgainstMensRights'I'd be careful about Amnesty, in all honesty. It seems to be a feminist organisation these days. Check this out. First line: Gender-based violence is violence that is directed against a woman because she is a woman, or that affects women disproportionately. Seriously? This is ridiculous. If a violence issue affects more women than it does men, it's 'gender-based violence'. If a violence issue affects more men than it does women, it's not. | /r/MensRights | 12/05/13 12:59 AM |
| 2 | Apple needs to update their dictionary...This is incorrect. Check section 4(4). It constitutes causing sexual activity without consent. With the aggravated cases, the penalties are equal with that of aggravated rape (both 10 years to life). However, the penalties are uneven for non-aggravated rape (4-8 years) vs causing sexual activity without consent (2-5 years). | /r/MensRights | 11/05/13 02:18 AM |
| 11 | A burgeoning men's rights movement in British universities?Out of interest, can anyone name a single reasonably well-known MRA who uses the term 'oppression' to describe the issues of discrimination men face today in the West? I have literally never seen it outside of a few MR reddit threads. Even then, there's usually quite a popular comment where someone objects to the use of that particular feminist buzzword. I just checked the first 17 articles on AVFM using the word 'oppress' - every single one of those usages (and this is well over a hundred) was … | /r/MensRights | 09/05/13 08:50 PM |
| 3 | Why Are We Not Calling the Danny Brown Oral-Sex Assault Rape? (The Daily Beast)It is how rape works. There are typically three components that all must be met for an action to constitute rape: A sexual act of some sort (jurisdictions differ as to what counts, with The Netherlands even including kissing) Lack of consent. Lack of a reasonable belief in consent. This particular event might meet 1. in some jurisdictions and seemingly 3. But it's still unclear whether it meets condition 2. Regardless of whether the woman knew it at the time, if Danny Brown did in fact consent, … | /r/MensRights | 09/05/13 02:58 PM |
| 1 | Age of consent should be 13 in order to stop 'the persecution of old men' claims leading female UK barristerThe original article is at Spiked. It's pretty controversial stuff, I'll warn you. My knee-jerk reaction is 'Fuck no. That's a dreadful idea'. | /r/MensRights | 09/05/13 12:15 AM |
| 2 | Atheism+ glossary: "Sexism - discrimination or social prejudice against women."Not sure what you mean by 'pretext'. The bit that upset PZ Myers is from around 36 minutes onwards, if that's what you mean. | /r/MensRights | 08/05/13 11:53 PM |
| 5 | Atheism+ glossary: "Sexism - discrimination or social prejudice against women."Yes I saw that. I was pretty impressed by the talk by Jamy Ian Swiss that led to it, I have to say. | /r/MensRights | 08/05/13 07:31 PM |
| 4 | MensRights, what am I considered: a feminist or a men's rights advocate or what?Haha. That's so funny. Your website is so similar to mine. I too used the SEP article in my definition of 'feminism', and came to very similar conclusions. I promise you I hadn't seen yours before I made mine. In any case. I 100% agree with your definitions. | /r/MensRights | 08/05/13 02:28 PM |
| 15 | Without sites like this, would anyone even know these things? Would our detractors ever discuss them?And yet you still find comments like this one: You do realise that a significant number of those domestic abuse allegations are counter-claims by men accused of beating their partners, right? That they will have been advised to bring those claims in order to muddy the waters and create the appearance of an exchange of violence rather than one-way abuse? Not a shred of evidence for this supposed 'significant number', and no indication why one couldn't use exactly the same point about women claimi… | /r/MensRights | 08/05/13 02:03 PM |
| 1 | Gender bias in reporting (elitedaily.com)Huh? The article explicitly mentions selling XL and XXL sizes for men. I'm not sure I understand. | /r/MensRights | 08/05/13 02:58 AM |
| 4 | "Approximately 10.4% (or an estimated 11.7 million) of men in the United States reported ever having an intimate partner who tried to get pregnant when they did not want to or tried to stop them fromIt's not 'rape', but it would be criminal if proven. The Assange judgement makes that very clear. If a man makes it very clear to a woman that they're only consenting to sex on the understanding that the woman is using contraception, then her deliberately ignoring that would render her guilty of causing a sexual act without consent. As with all sexual offences except those involving minors, the prosecution would need to prove criminal intent here, which would be extremely difficult to do. The CP… | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 09:05 PM |
| 18 | "Approximately 10.4% (or an estimated 11.7 million) of men in the United States reported ever having an intimate partner who tried to get pregnant when they did not want to or tried to stop them fromHoly crap! I double-checked this myself (especially in view of recent trolling events), and it's true. And that's just the ones that even know about it! Great find, OP. The solution is coming... Please hurry up guys! | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 05:55 PM |
| 4 | What's the name of the study feminists use to alledge that 1 in 4 women have been rapedIt's based on this. Beware that there's an awful lot of existing criticism about this, and actually a lot of the criticism is unfair. I'd recommend reading Daran's analysis at Feminist Critics (over many articles, but here is a good one). | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 01:32 AM |
| 3 | Beware of Trolls: Jezebel "paternity test" article appears to be fakeJust checked. It hasn't changed since 24 Apr 2013 09:35:00 GMT. | /r/MensRights | 06/05/13 10:01 PM |
| 5 | "Male Rights Extremist (MRE)." Is this a new meme?Another bit that I found curious was the claim that: All sides have accused each other of intimidation and harassment, with one of the conference organisers claiming that she is living in fear of her life. I'm not sure where the first half of this sentence is coming from, because there doesn't appear to be anything substantiating the claim that accusations of harassment are being made by 'all sides'. Indeed, the only evidence adduced suggests that the claims are coming from one side, and only on… | /r/MensRights | 06/05/13 01:33 PM |
| 3 | Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences: subtle gender biasI completely accept the findings of this study, and I praise the OP for posting this here. This is exactly the way gender issues should be dealt with - using decent studies like this, rather than by imposing over-weaning, flabby narratives and simply finding the results you want to find. Obviously, it's hard to know quite why these double-standards are in place, but there's no denying that there are such double-standards. Further evidence of this is available via Project Implicit, where there is… | /r/MensRights | 06/05/13 12:59 PM |
| 8 | "Male Rights Extremist (MRE)." Is this a new meme?Yes. Absolutely. What's interesting is that the description moved from radfems to the mainstream media outlet fairly effortlessly. There was once a time when such editorialising was frowned upon in journalism, and there was a clear distinction between reporting and commentary. Those days are long past, unfortunately. | /r/MensRights | 06/05/13 12:32 PM |
| 5 | York University SU rejects feminist societyIt's been a decade since I've been there, so I doubt I'll have any useful advice for you. However, it strikes me that you could use this recent event to your advantage. You could use the following argument, or something along these lines: In admitting that a FemSoc steps on the toes of central Student Union activity, the SU has eo ipso admitted that it has feminist biases within its organisation. Now, compare that to what it says in its 'constitution': B. The Union will seek at all times to: (i)… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 05:48 PM |
| 6 | York University SU rejects feminist societyOther fun facts about my alma mater, The University of York. It has 26.8% more female students than male students, and yet the Student Union still thinks it needs a Women's Officer position, a 'Liberation and Welfare Assembly' (where the Women's Officer regularly reports), and a 'Women's Network' that runs campaigns. All funded in part from the University itself (Universities allocate monies to the Student Union), and ultimately both the tax-payer and the students themselves in fees. In addition… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 04:51 PM |
| 1 | Misandry isn’t real | A Voice for Men - Featuring the Advertising campaign of The National Centre for Domestic Violence (NCDV) ukThe obviously bad bit is 'drag him away', rather than 'drag the abuser away', or 'drag them away'. It's a coin flip as to whether they'd go M-F or F-M, but efforts should be exerted to combat the obvious gender stereotyping danger, but 'drag him away' reinforces it, and thus constitutes misandry, IMO. Make a complaint. Here's the link for the Advertising Standards Agency. Here are the relevant codes to cite: 3.1 Marketing communications must not materially mislead or be likely to do so. 4.1 Mark… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 01:41 PM |
| 2 | I've been doing experiments with rape. If my anecdotes are representative, feminists are some of the biggest rapists waiting to happen.Note well - this is the first post from this user. | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 12:30 PM |
| 2 | “Men’s Rights” Issues That Feminism Is Trying to Blame Men For. Can someone help me understand the faulty reasoning in this post better?This is the Lindy West article again, plagiarised and passed off as their own work. There's many replies out there already. Eye of Woden's is very patient and thorough - link Mine is pretty minimal in comparison, and picks it apart purely in logical terms - link Ally Fogg's is very good, and uses West as an example of 'womansplaining' - link Tara Palmatier's article is also good (and has a great title - 'Lindy West pees on leg, says it's raining'!) - link There are many others too... | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 11:29 AM |
| 5 | Hitchhiker's Guide To Feminism; Criticism of AVFM's Recent ideological MendacityI basically agree with him on the basic point, but I'd stress that an emotional reaction is just that - an emotional reaction. When I saw Dean Esmay's reaction, for instance, I simply thought - this guy is upset, and has every right to be. Let him be upset. Just as I didn't wade in to Steubenville articles and start lecturing people on being rational, it seems inappropriate to do the same here. The context here is that we don't let men be emotional, or try to force them to be emotional in a way … | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 04:44 PM |
| 3 | From an avid men's rights advocate, a few observations on this subreddit.There's all sorts of groups involved in this reddit, people who would call themselves: MRA (neutral/doesn't care about feminism) Feminist + MRA MRA + Anti-feminist Anti-feminist I would say group 3 is the most common, and seems to be the one supported in the sidebar. I'm in group 4, but I nonetheless support the MRM on some issues. Personally, I really struggle to envisage how someone could be in earnest about MR issues and yet call themselves a 'feminist'. One way is by being ignorant about the… | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 02:51 PM |
| 3 | Do you ever wonder maybe we got it all wrong?Abso-bloody-lutely. What kind of thinking person wouldn't think this? Whenever you say anything, it's bound to be wrong. Being right is bloody hard. The key is to keep trying, i.e. not become a postmodernist! | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 05:19 PM |
| 7 | A List of “Men’s Rights” Issues That Feminism Is Already Working On - Thoughts on this?!This is merely plagiarism of Lindy West's dreadful article that has roundly been torn apart in many places and many times over. | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 05:17 PM |
| 1 | Anyone want to make a response to the arguments in this video, or discuss his criticisms?Nah. It's an extremely tired and clichéd attack that doesn't actually address what people in the MRM are actually saying. If people want their criticisms to be taken seriously, I would suggest they direct themselves to specific authors and subjects, rather than utilising tone arguments and blatant mischaracterisation. This kind of broad-sweep caricature has no argumentative value whatsoever, in my opinion, and can be safely ignored. | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 05:13 PM |
| 11 | Prepare to have jimmies rustled. Guy in r/relationships posts about physically abusive wife, gets essentially victim blamed by top commenters and told to seek marriage counseling.The advice actually focussed on helping her, if you notice. Fairly high up was a comment basically saying - I want to hear the woman's point of view before I can decide whether domestic abuse against a man is bad. | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 12:19 PM |
| 40 | Prepare to have jimmies rustled. Guy in r/relationships posts about physically abusive wife, gets essentially victim blamed by top commenters and told to seek marriage counseling.Erm... This is an abusive relationship. Trust me, if you're getting hit/verbally abused all the time by someone, you can't 'maintain the bond of affection'. You tread on eggshells, trying desperately not to set them off. Blaming him for being distant is classic blaming the victim (in the proper sense). The only thing this guy has done wrong is not getting the fuck out. But that's how abuse works, unfortunately. | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 12:17 PM |
| 2 | But I'm A Nice GuyYawn | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 04:05 PM |
| 24 | Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon.Word to the wise: if you're not a friend to the sort of thing Earl Silverman was trying to do, please just keep your silence for a couple of weeks. I managed to do this when Margaret Thatcher died, and I expect the same thing from other people. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 05:33 PM |
| 3 | GirlWritesWhat systematically dismantles feminist theory in her address to the NY state libertarian convention.Sure - it's on Dangerous. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 05:03 PM |
| 19 | A group of feminists using informal false accusations and smears to attempt to exclude a man from a feminist oriented skepticism conference .Define 'doxxing'. Does it include simply linking to a site where someone has put up their own address voluntarily? I would say this is a pretty clear 'no'. If it were more obviously a case of having spent hours scouring the net to build up a profile or something, then I think that could count as 'doxxing' (but not necessarily). Likewise, if it involves putting up information that's not publicly available already, I'd say that that counts as 'doxxing'. But it's a vague term, and one should expect… | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 04:57 PM |
| 3 | GirlWritesWhat systematically dismantles feminist theory in her address to the NY state libertarian convention.In that case, I'll pass off some more Bill Hicks material as my own. Non-smokers... I'd quit smoking if I didn't think I'd become one of you. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 04:25 PM |
| 13 | A group of feminists using informal false accusations and smears to attempt to exclude a man from a feminist oriented skepticism conference .It's time to play... cue music... spot the threat narrative construction: He participated in the gleeful bullying of Jen McCreight, who was driven off her blog last month by trolls. So there was literally no way Jen could just think to herself 'Oh, I'm being trolled. Give it a few days and it will likely go away'? Instead, no, we have a damsel in distress instead of a grown woman with autonomy and agency. He posted Surly Amy’s home address on a hate site. No, he merely linked to a page where she… | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 04:14 PM |
| 3 | GirlWritesWhat systematically dismantles feminist theory in her address to the NY state libertarian convention.She does indeed. There's always a chorus of mortality-deniers beneath her videos telling her to stop smoking. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 12:39 PM |
| 2 | GirlWritesWhat systematically dismantles feminist theory in her address to the NY state libertarian convention.Cool. That's what I wanted to know. I read the script, but I wanted a Hitchens-esque, boozy, fag-in-hand delivery to accompany it. Because that's your thing now in my private mental theatre, apparently. ;-) | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 10:54 AM |
| 3 | Misandry in Film. Speak out against the upcoming anti-male action movie, "Girls Against Boys."Just watched it. IMO all the killings, rapes, etc. are fantasy, and the film essentially catalogues Shae's reaction to getting dumped (since it is immediately subsequent to this that Lu makes her appearance). The film both opens and ends with Fight Club-esque reveals that Lu is Shae, and there's even a sequence showing the 'crime scenes' without victims or any signs of struggle. It's also consonant with the fact that there are no consequences for any of the supposed actions in the film (i.e. no … | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 03:26 AM |
| 2 | Spare Rib, the renowned/infamous second-wave feminist publication, to be relaunched as a website.I'm actually quite looking forward to it. Charlotte Raven, the brains behind it, has already indicated she wants Nina Power (proper academic feminist) onboard. It certainly would be good to see an outlet for feminists that wasn't just angst-ridden women charting their less-than-fascinating journey of finding 'men are bad mmkay?' to be a useful catch-all narrative. Anything that improves the level of discourse is a good thing, and this might well do that. | /r/MensRights | 28/04/13 01:56 AM |
| 2 | Why Both the Dems and the GOP Now Think Voters Prefer Female Candidates - Molly BallFascinating article - cheers for bringing it to our attention. | /r/MensRights | 26/04/13 06:28 PM |
| 135 | I Cheated On My Husband To Secure Better Genes For My ChildrenThis is why all newborn babies should be paternity-tested before the 'father' category is filled out on the birth certificate. | /r/MensRights | 26/04/13 06:23 PM |
| 7 | I need some advice and this is the only place I know where to turn.I would suggest encouraging her to go to the Police, as what she reports happened to her would constitute rape, and needs to be taken seriously. | /r/MensRights | 26/04/13 03:41 PM |
| 5 | Another inconvenient graph for the patriarchy. With 1 Million surveys aggregated the Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index scores men only slightly higher than women in the U.S. and that's mostly for heaI note the depression index is massively different. Love the way it's simply taken as given, rather than thinking about the possibility that men under-report to a much greater extent than women. | /r/MensRights | 26/04/13 03:36 PM |
| 2 | professor threatened over lecture questioning the political correctness of the term ‘sexual assault’Found the following quotes at Feminist Philosophers, a site supposedly full of intelligent people: Throw a cake in his face. Give him a big dry cleaning bill. He’s a typical right-wing academic dickhead provocateur. The man is poison. These aren't dribbling morons. They're likely in academia. Pretty bloody concerning, no? The good news is that there are a few sensible commenters on there, notably Heidi Savage. | /r/MensRights | 26/04/13 03:31 PM |
| 11 | More feminist hate: "Why are men so angry when women have it so much worse?"Textbook case of "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Rather than asking "Is it actually the case that women have it worse?", she merely assumes it. And this is what ideology is all about - it's about the questions that never get asked. | /r/MensRights | 26/04/13 03:26 PM |
| 1 | Why would feminists cheer if men are damaged or loose out? Why do feminists not grasp equality a cheer for all the wrong reasons? Glen Poole - A New Gender AgendaI agree with that. It's because of the mechanism of the special interest group. People tend to think that democracy is the 'tyranny of the majority', but that's far from the truth (although it is true to some extent). Special interest groups can, however, wield quite a lot of power simply by making their voting behaviour entirely contingent on one issue. If the Labour Party/The Democrat Party know that a certain promise will get them 5% extra votes without any corresponding loss of votes (becaus… | /r/MensRights | 26/04/13 02:29 AM |
| 0 | Why would feminists cheer if men are damaged or loose out? Why do feminists not grasp equality a cheer for all the wrong reasons? Glen Poole - A New Gender AgendaWell, keep an eye on my site, because I'm going to be talking about one feminist who is widely respected - Martha Nussbaum - and I don't think she's committed to patriarchy theory. I just checked the index of her Sex and Social Justice and there isn't an entry for 'patriarchy'. It's something that's strongly associated with postmodernist approaches to feminism, I'd say. Whilst I'd definitely say this thread is probably dominant within feminism, it's not the whole story. Rosenberg didn't call his… | /r/MensRights | 26/04/13 02:08 AM |
| 0 | Why would feminists cheer if men are damaged or loose out? Why do feminists not grasp equality a cheer for all the wrong reasons? Glen Poole - A New Gender AgendaWell, it's not quite that simple. I don't think feminism as an ideology is necessarily committed to something quite that strong. I think it would be more accurate to say that feminists believe that, under the current 'system', women are disadvantaged due to their gender substantially more than men are. Then you get disagreement over the extent, and quite how, this is true (for them). Contrary to what you claim, for instance, TB, it's not true that all feminists believe in 'patriarchy'. Thus, you… | /r/MensRights | 26/04/13 12:19 AM |
| 1 | Why would feminists cheer if men are damaged or loose out? Why do feminists not grasp equality a cheer for all the wrong reasons? Glen Poole - A New Gender AgendaPretty similar to Imnotmrabut - I like Glen Poole a lot and have a lot of time for him, but he's made a massive error here IMO. The question is why you'd want to be part of that website. Just look at the title! I know that the content is much better than that, but I think it's fair to say it sets the tone in terms of how the content goes, especially the bizarre fixation on holding men, and only men, solely responsible for all issue of consent in relationships. So many people, many of them I find… | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 09:16 PM |
| 2 | Founder of the Everyday Sexism Project responds to criticism. Discuss?Can't say I'm terribly convinced given that her agenda is self-evident in her performance debating Mike Buchanan, where she quite obviously reads from a script, and bangs the unequal outcomes=discrimination drum. Just thought I'd throw that into the mix. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 12:29 AM |
| 0 | I've just seen the Senior Editor of The Good Men Project Joanna Schroeder making informal false accustions about violence against women against Paul Elam on twitter.But Farrell isn't really taken seriously in an academic context either. Roy Baumeister is (generally - his specific book on the cultural exploitation of men hasn't actually received very much academic attention because it doesn't fit the zeitgeist), but my hunch is that generally most academics know that to talk about men's stuff is career suicide in the current academic environment. | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 08:53 PM |
| 3 | Feminists Danielle Paradis & Anne Theriault making informal false accusations against and libelling mra's.But in another page on Urban Dictionary, it says this: Acronym for "Fuck Their Shit Up", meaning, "Let's expose their lies". Now primarily used by the MRM (Men's Rights Movement) to bring about the reality of feminism to the world. I'm not sure it's clear-cut, basically. To me it seems relatively clear that it is the shit that is going to be fucked up; not the person(s). It's fiery rhetoric, to be sure, but I don't see it as advocating violence. | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 08:19 PM |
| 1 | Follow The Money - Huffington Business - Someone Is Worried : Peter Lloyd, U.K. Writer, Sues Gym For Women-Only Hours, Claims 'Gender Bias'. - Feminists Respond "jackass sues gym"'Never underestimate Gawker sites' lack of research' is what's going on! | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 05:50 PM |
| 2 | Feminists Danielle Paradis & Anne Theriault making informal false accusations against and libelling mra's.My response can be found here - http://femdelusion.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/why-avfm-is-needed/ | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 05:46 PM |
| 3 | Follow The Money - Huffington Business - Someone Is Worried : Peter Lloyd, U.K. Writer, Sues Gym For Women-Only Hours, Claims 'Gender Bias'. - Feminists Respond "jackass sues gym"There is 1.5 hours a week where the gym is women's only - between 6 and 7:30 on a Thursday. All of the other times pertain to one pool being shut. There's two main pools however - one is an old Victorian one, around 30m long; the other is a modern one, around 25m. There's also a small pool. So it's actually closer to 75-8 hours (it depends on how many Thursdays are lost because they fall on holidays anyway). Peter Lloyd is overplaying his hand here. It's a PR stunt, in essence. I don't think PR … | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 12:06 PM |
| 9 | Young man in argument with old couple. Old woman assaults him. Young man proceeds to sit down and open a beer. Old man proceeds to kick him, upper hook him in the face, and squeeze his eyes. Both fallIt gets worse - look at this vile piece of reporting on Daily News. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cursing-fan-u-s-open-brawler-bawler-police-arrest-badmouth-bully-article-1.207488 | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 02:31 AM |
| 2 | Things you should or should not say to a woman.I actually think many of these 'no win' questions are best answered by pointing out that they're 'no win' questions and thus quite unfair. Obviously it's almost always true that you wish your partner was thinner, more toned, etc., but it's cruel to say that. Thus you can either be honest (and hurt her), or you can lie (which runs the risk she'll see through it and be even more hurt). Turn the conversation around. That said, I would also take it as a sign that she may well need some spontaneous a… | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 02:04 AM |
| 1 | Having some reservations about A Voice for MenBut this is my point about AVFM increasing in influence. Little guys get to make such mistakes, because what they do doesn't matter very much. When you've got stacks of followers, some of whom probably aren't all that emotionally-stable, you've got to be more responsible. You've got to be damn sure of the facts before you publish. Them's the rules. Call it the Spiderman principle - with great power comes great responsibility. Once the thing's already happened, all you can do is mitigate the harm… | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 01:55 AM |
| 0 | Having some reservations about A Voice for MenFair play, but it still doesn't absolve him of responsibility for the fact it was published in the first place. It merely mitigates the harm. | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 12:50 AM |
| 0 | Having some reservations about A Voice for MenCompletely agree on all counts. I don't understand 'Register Her'. Why on earth do they keep it? It just screams 'misogyny' to the average person. | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 12:47 AM |
| 1 | Having some reservations about A Voice for MenI wrote quite a long piece similar to this concerning what I'm calling 'AVFM Anxiety' - http://femdelusion.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/avfm-anxiety/ It's not that I have a massive problem with AVFM so much as some of the ways Elam behaves leave me feeling uneasy. I think the problem is basically that, as the site grows, and Elam's power/influence grows, the potential for him in particular to abuse that power grows with it. I still think that he and the website are basically a force for good, but I … | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 12:35 AM |
| 1 | According to my government "Rape is when a male forces his penis into the mouth, anus or vagina of another person when that person doesn't want him to do so; the law calls this 'without consent'."lol. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/13 09:22 PM |
| 1 | UK abuse adverts in the UK are incredibly one sided.The 2012 CSEW estimates 1.2 million women a year suffer some form of domestic abuse, whilst the equivalent figure for men is 0.8 million. ('Domestic abuse' includes non-physical abuse, threats, force, sexual assault or stalking carried out by a current or former partner or other family member.) Link - http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_298904.pdf | /r/MensRights | 21/04/13 04:52 PM |
| 9 | According to my government "Rape is when a male forces his penis into the mouth, anus or vagina of another person when that person doesn't want him to do so; the law calls this 'without consent'."It's incompetent on the law, in any case - Rape is defined in the Sexual Offences Act 2003 (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1/crossheading/rape) as follows: (1) A person (A) commits an offence if— (a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis, (b) B does not consent to the penetration, and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. (2) Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstance… | /r/MensRights | 21/04/13 04:19 PM |
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