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First and most importantly maintain a calorie deficit until your BMI is under 25. Then do starting strength with a small calorie surplus and eat 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight daily until you can bench press around 1.5x your body weight. Just being hot at the beach can work, but if you really want to do well, learn to sing, dance, and do improv comedy. "Yes and" helps with agree and amplify playful flirting. Those skills combined with the physical proof of a good physique, fashion…
/r/TheRedPill20/06/25 05:11 PM
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It's now 22% in favorite of women in 2024. Young men keep the infrastructure running well and they are being ignored, RIP society.
/r/MensRights16/06/25 10:45 PM
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Any woman that gave me IOI or attention. Interact with them platonically at first. If more IOI, try a move, if not received well, just casually hand throw her, brush it off like a fly, back turn her and go on to the next play like nothing happened. If it's a harder rejection, simply view her like the silly child she is. Would you get mad if a 4 year old called you a poopy face?
/r/seduction28/02/25 06:58 PM
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Have you read dataclysm? If so, what's your response to the findings?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 04:10 PM
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I'm saying it with my chest. We don't need women's sympathy. We need them to support men in taking away their privileges and rights. Whether that's done through sympathy, reason, or manipulation, I don't care. I just want to win. I am tired of seeing society decay, and setting up boys to be successful and women to be nurturing is the only viable path forward I see. Feminism is incompatible with that vision.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:33 AM
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Empathy does nothing to prevent your suffering. These men need to demand value from women quickly and cast a wide fucking net to find the few decent women with realistic standards willing to negotiate a fair transaction. Too many women have sky high standards and demand extremely high prices for their mediocre at best goods (single moms only willing to date billionaire underwear models).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:12 AM
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Oh I can think of many things that would immediately help society: ban dating apps and social media demonitize feminist media and remove from them from the algorithm incentivize and support men to become successful good husbands encourage women to become nurturing good wives "Oh but that's oppressive, or violates my freedom" I don't care anymore. I gave up on freedom after I saw what people did with it. Ya a libertarian world that Ayn Rand dreamed up would be ideal, but human beings aren't up fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 08:09 AM
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We do, we have just been marginalized by society.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 07:57 AM
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So you expect the men to fight for what? You can't peacefully live in France if the men have no reason to spend 4 years repelling the Germans. Haven't you ever watched Mulan and listened to "a girl worth fighting for"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 10:16 PM
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Happy marriages are rare because exceptional (in the eyes of men) women are rare. Misandrist feminism has seemed to destroy many women that would have otherwise been fantastic partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 10:13 PM
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Ya you're right they were much worse off than the men that were sent to WW1, WW2, and Vietnam. /yawn
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 10:10 PM
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I didn't say women are objects. I said relationships are transacational. If you want to transact in the sexual marketplace you have to OFFER VALUE. Men know this because most are forced to initiate everything and offer value for free and beg for scraps. Women think love "just happens" and it was an accident, etc. But in reality most men fought and battled for years to become attractive enough to have a chance with 1 woman. We understand how the transaction works because we must in order to be su…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 10:07 PM
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I disagree with red pill about that. That's why I'm more purple. I think men should hold themselves to a set of standards that is defined by what we believe to be righteous. Many red pill men are amoral or outright immoral out of a hatred of women and lust for revenge. I think this is weak minded. Men shouldn't allow their angry emotional states to make them act in ways they know is immoral. Hence, why I don't lie or misrepresent myself. I don't expect women to be exclusive with me until I ask, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 10:00 PM
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I don't think women would be happy if they were forced into those roles. They have to be convinced it's best for them. Red pill says the issue is culture not women. Culture teaches women to hate men, reject traditional values, and be a boss girl. This results in women's sadness. Even the trad mormon women you mentioned still HAVE TO live in our culture. They listen to Cardi B, Sabrina Carpenter, and Billie Eillish too. So, they feel like they lacked the feminist agency that they are programmed t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:57 PM
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Yes, I've seen some of them start making good choices and choose men at their level of physical attraction. But it took them losing their pretty/youth privilege to realize how the economics of the dating market actually works. It's just like a trust fund kid that doesn't understand how working people feel until their parents cut them off and force them to support themselves. Reality hits like a ton of bricks and has zero sympathy for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:52 PM
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Only when they have options. Old women will lower their standards all the way down to hell to avoid the loneliness that creeps in on them as they age and their tolerance to SSRIs grows.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:50 PM
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Not at all. Everyone should expect non-exclusivity until it is requested. Hell every single woman I have been interested was entertaining multiple men until she become smitten with me. Isn't it like normal sex positive blue pill shit to be open and honest with good comminication? Practice what you preach and set clear relationship boundaries and expectations as soon as you'd want them. I'll be honest. It's her job to request exclusivity if that's what she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:47 PM
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I wasn't saying men experience solitary confinement, I was giving an analogy so you can relate to what total romantic affection starvation feels like. We actually have data on this. Men and women differ in their desires. Both in their stated preferences and their (very different) revealed preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:36 PM
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That's a poor choice on her end. If women did some market researchm, like most men are forced to do to become attractive, she should know men of all ages prefer women 20-22. By not seeking a man when she is considered MOST attactive, she has sabotaged her own life. From then on, she can only negotiate for a lesser man than the 20 year old version of herself could have got. Men do this too btw. They don't understand what women want and sabotage their own life by being less attractive than they ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:28 PM
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Was she being nice when she offered me sex? How about the second time? I don't think you quite understand what it's like to be a 60-70 year old woman. Many of them don't get any male attention at all. I've actually coached some of them on how to offer more value to men and the ones that swallowed their pride got good results. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:21 PM
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I think that's more common when silver foxes hot wife gets old and he has an affair with the hot young secretary. Old guys that settle later in life, probably aren't going to suddenly have a chance with a 20F. BUT, they may leave her 10 years down the line for someone 5 years younger. Father time is always beating up on women, that's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:58 PM
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I agree, that's why I said non-exclusive. You can't get cheated on if there was no commitment in the first place. Hell, it's very rare I meet a woman that I think is worth commiting to an exclusive relationship with. I know female nature too well. They are all talking to 20 guys, loyal to their emotions not their duties, will monkey branch if you are not flawless or become slightly more boring than another option. The seduction process never ends, and if I'm going to invest that much into one wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:49 PM
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Well that makes sense. Don't mormon's have some super unhealthy beliefs about sexuality, polygamy, and things? I would expect those to predict unhappy relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:45 PM
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Use? I always tell these women I will not be exclusive with them if they ask. In the dog shit modern dating hellscape, it's safe to assume anyone you interact is talking to 2-20 people depending on how attractive they are. When they are ready to use communication skills to set expectations, I honestly tell them where they stand. Of course, they often are vague, deceptive, etc so they can negotiate a better deal for themselves. The same thing happens when you're buying a car. You don't show TOO m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:35 PM
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That's not even close to a fair summary of my positions. It's not that men are lonely because of unrealistic standards. Many men probably 40-60% of them cannot get even 1 very ugly 1/10 single mom obese women to match with. They get radio silence. It's hard for women to understand what that experience feels like, but consider this: Solitary confinement is considered torture. Women invest in the things they care about (education, career, success) and then get mad when men don't value it. Well, me…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:27 PM
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That is simply not true. I go ballroom dancing, and it's mostly older folk that do it. All of the single women there are miserable and complain about not being able to attract decent men because they all want the young bimbos (that's actually the cope if anything). The elderly married women are usually quite happy by comparison. Younger women, who do not yet understand their privilege of being young and beautiful, take men's attention for granted and think it will always be there. I can't tell y…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:19 PM
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That's not quite right. We just prefer younger women if we can get them. Some men can only attract older women so that's who they pursue, but those older women let their pride get in the way of allowing these good, but unattractive men pursue her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:15 PM
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Women that make good choices and choose men with hard-to-fake personality traits that predict happy and successful relationships have better outcomes. If a woman is unhappy with her dating life it is almost certainly her fault and she deserves it. It's laughably easy for a woman to have a good life outcome if she simply makes good decisions in her 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:13 PM
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Only the ones that choose bad men. Women hold all the power, but choose physical attraction over hard-to-fake personality traits that predict happy and successful relationhips every single day, all day long. Women deserve their suffering because they are 100% responsible for it. Many men do everything right and still suffer. Some will literally invest years into being an absolute catch by any standard, but because of unrealistic male beauty standards they are doomed to never attracting ANY woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:02 PM
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Single moms are fine if it's non-exclusive and you never meet her kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 07:58 PM
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!remindme in 15 years Every uncoupled old woman I've ever met is lonely, bitter, addicted to SSRIs, wine, and cats. Their pride may never let them admit it, but they are certainly not happy with their choices. Women that make good choices and choose good men on their level of attractiveness have much better outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 07:55 PM
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Also, don't forget Dataclysm proved that women are poor judges of "average". They think Ryan Gosling is mid, lol. A true man in the 50th percentile rated by women and then normalized is probably hoping for a simp-style relationship with a girl that doesn't like him much and uses him for resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 07:01 PM
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Ya I hate the gaslighting that goes on around people saying dead average 5/10 guys have good dating lives. That's so inaccurate I choked from laughter. I've never even heard the FWB thing, unreal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 06:26 AM
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Whether dating is worth It depends on how attractive the man is. A guy that maxed out as a 4/10 should just order a sex doll and invest in oreos and video games. Better to peaceful accept your lot in life and make the best out of it than struggle with unrealistic expectations. A 7/10 guy can put in a ton of work to get a great girlfriend though. On the other hand, dating is very easy and worth it for all women if they make good choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 10:29 PM
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I don't think average guys are getting girlfriends. It doesn't seem that way to me. It seems like average guys get radio silence 95% of their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 10:23 PM
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Found the SIMP!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:01 PM
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Seems like that's what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 05:58 PM
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Hey women don't owe those shitbags anything amiright?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 05:51 PM
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I have plenty of female friends but I still hate most women's behavior. Only 10% of young women are decent people. The rest are only nice to you insofar as they find you attractive. It's self-serving niceness. If they are nice to a man they are avoiding, it's for reputation protection or safety, not genuine nice being. When you remove the possibility of reputational harm or physical safety, women behave like dog shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:41 AM
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lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:35 AM
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I was perfectly happy being an incel until social media starting dehumanizing men as a whole (man vs bear, KillAllMen, etc.). Now I am just matching their energy. They hate us, cool we hate harder. Hope you don't miss those rights we were nice enough to give you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:34 AM
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Never been dehumanized by a woman in real time for something innocuous, huh? Must be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:32 AM
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Slaves hated their masters too. It makes perfect sense that misogyny is rising due to the rampant misandry going online and in the dogshit dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:30 AM
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They want tall dark and handsome? Good I want 18 virgin and submissive. Get mad bitches!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:29 AM
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Attractive men meet women on dating apps predominantly. Average men watch anime and eventually kill themselves. Just as the lord intended.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:26 AM
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Ya at conception should be deleted. I think that was probably put in for anti-abortion phrasing. I wouldn't say this means all humans are female, just that this definition of sex doesn't apply to humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 02:36 AM
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Younger women are always preferred, but their behavior is so shitty in the current dog-shit dating market, it's actually starting to be worth it to go after the older women who compensate for their age with a much more pleasant seduction process, personality, and social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 02:32 AM
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I don't see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 02:19 AM
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Most women are dumb, get a vasectomy to minimize your exposure to risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:56 AM
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I don't really care what women think or say, I know what is just and I'm tired of getting gaslit by misandrist feminists. I just want men to unite and gain political power so we can have legislation that guarantees our right to financial abortions. Men are way stronger than women both physically and mentally. All we need to do is get the incels to stop simping. Hopefully papa Elon gets some AI sexbots going soon and we can move past this feminist nightmare soon!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:51 AM
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Men can't get pregnant anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:50 AM
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Sugar momma, better personality traits, less mental illness, more trusting, she's his only option, makes it easy for him to pursue, she initiates and offers it for free, she makes the seduction process easy and obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:47 AM
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It's more that women can still get their needs met by sharing a chad when single, but incels are left to starve of all affection. So you are correct, but long-run women end up with worse cases of depression, more SSRI use, more cats, etc. When they get old, the can no longer attract chad to fill her needs and holes. So she ends up being bitter, ranting to her 12 cats how men are pigs because they all want the 22 year old bimbos.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:39 AM
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So tired of hearing this. Men are MUCH more likely to get murdered, assaulted, and raped than women are. And yet, we don't fear men. Women are delusional again.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:38 AM
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Completely different for men. Men and women are different in their motivations, desires, mating strategies, and what makes them attractive. So comparing them makes absolutely no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:44 PM
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Virginity is always good and preferably to a women with 20+ ex boyfriends. There are outliers for sure. And to be clear, I'd MUCH rather date an avoidant virgin than an average girl with 5 boyfriends in her past. Old virgins aren't bad, they are just slightly less desirable than young virgins. All virgins are better than the vast majority of women we have to choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:14 PM
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I had a 27 year old virgin not long ago. Just deliver value and lead her to your vision, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:11 PM
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I'd much rather have a weird 24 virgin, than a normal one that's had 30 dudes in her, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:44 AM
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Opposite for me. Virgin women made the best girlfriends. I don't even have to have sex with them. There's just something special about her innocence. Everything for her is brand new, and the law marginal utility dictates that things lose value the more of it that you have. So the more boyfriends she has, the less satisfying they become. Same is true for sex, taking care of you, affection, dancing, everything. Diversity and never giving her everything she wants is the key to keeping a woman inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:41 AM
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Law of large numbers dictates that of the thousands of men that approached her by age 25, SOME of them would have been good options. Women like this often have avoidant personalities. Avoidant attachment style isn't great for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:37 AM
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She may have realized these truths after losing her virginity, or she's a charlatan that doesn't quite believe everything she says.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:34 AM
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It's so depressing. I shit you not, I was talking to a PhD student. We were swing dancing and talking about mundane stuff and her face was lit up having the time of her life. When I started talking deeply about her subject of study, she went cold as ice. It's totally bizarre. I'm actually attracted to intelligent women so it's a catch 22 that I keep hoping isn't going to happen with "this girl" she's too smart right? I found out her IQ was 151. It's baffling.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:02 AM
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That's definitely not true my guy. Think how women work. They are loyal to their emotions #1. If you can give her an amazing emotional experience with your words or some other thing, she will desire you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 04:57 AM
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Probably a really attractive guy and she was low on his list. Guys like this may entertain women much below his normal quality if she does all the work and makes it super easy and basically free for him. The other options being a guy with zero social skills, or crushing social anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 10:12 PM
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There's some room for seduction conversation skills, but she has to be a little interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 10:11 PM
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This is not quite true for men. For us, seduction skills in conversation can acutally MAKE a woman like you. she can go from neutral to attracted just based on a couple conversation traits like fun, insightful, mysterious, mildly dangerous, subtly flirty, passionate, charming, attentive, etc. For women though, they can't talk their way into being attractive. If he's clearly bored, best to move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 10:10 PM
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Some neurodivergent people have traits that make small talk conversation difficult, especially with strangers. Many times I've scared off a woman by passionately describing the evolutionary reasoning on how trauma increases neuroplasticity, the remarkable Christmas Day truce of WW1 in 1914, or the sublime chaotic beauty of the Mandelbrot set. I'd think these are fascinating subjects anyone would love to chat about, but they just want me to ask how many siblings they have, what they do for work, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 10:02 PM
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Oh yes 1000%. Men have their own mental health issues but it's not like this. Women have it insanely easy but act is if they are 3rd world starving slavery victims. They tilt with windmills, and destroy their own chance of happiness and men's at the same time. For example, I've made my life as good as it can possibly get. I rate 8/10 on photofeeler.com and yet I still cannot get even mid 5/10 women to give me a single chance in the most casual light-hearted approaches. Hope is running out. There…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 04:25 PM
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Women are extremely unfair to men. I finally just embraced it. I'm not mad, I'm just going to make sure I win. Women are so weak it's kinda sad. Men are going to win and it's not going to be close.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 07:14 AM
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Unattractive men aren't people though, her quote was right. Also, you have to seriously not care about creeping out women right now. Women think 2 years is a predatory age gap, and sitting next to her at a bar is harassment, lol. There's going to be a lot of cat toys in our future. Good time to invest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 06:08 AM
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Who gives a fuck if most women don't want to be bothered? (that's not true btw) Your mindset should be that you are a RAGING train with one destination, find the needle in a haystack sane reasonable woman that is genuinely attracted to you. You will have to do everything possible to look as sexy as you can and approach hundreds maybe thousands of girls depending on how tall you are to find even 1 decent woman that reciprocates your desire. OF COURSE you will offend MANY MANY women in this proces…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 06:05 AM
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Of course, going to the gym and being extremely attractive is the solution. The trouble is these incel men have been taught learned helplessness by society. Only the few that escape that mind virus and focus on pursuing excellence see good results with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 09:00 PM
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Men that happy being single is kind of like Buddhist monks that are happy lighting themselves on fire. Sure, it can be done, but it took a lot of mental gymnastics to get there. I don't think we should reverse modern dating trends to punish women, but to save the human race. The current birth rates MUST result in societal collapse. Fixing the dating market should be done for the the same reason we try to avoid nuclear war. South Korea has a fertility rate of 0.88 per women, where replacement is …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 07:10 PM
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Absolutely! That has been happening for a long time actually. Birth rates in industrialized nations have been declining for a while. Women don't need men in welfare states, and they never really wanted 95% of us to begin with. Now, only the top 5% of men are able to attract women, and the rest starve. The only way to help this is to reverse the misandrist cultural programming of women, make them materially dependent on men again, or incentivize men's success and encourage women to take on more n…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:47 PM
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Try to live without a roof over your head and tell me how homeless people should stop being so needy and they should stop making fools of themselves by begging for warm clothes and food. It's funny... Going through an experience like that COMPLETELY changes your perspective on everything. Being completely starved of affection has the same depressive effect on people as being homeless laying on the street and people stepping over you clutching their belongings tightly. The people that need it the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:29 AM
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Affection is not the only think that makes life worth living. It's just one of the many things that makes life miserable when you completely lack it. Like sleep, a roof over your head, clean water, and enough food to stave off starvation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:24 AM
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This is nonsense. Yes human beings are programmed by evolution to seek out relationships and a lack of a relationship causes suffering. This is mother nature kicking you in the ass to reproduce. Suffering because you aren't getting affection is a normal and completely expected outcome based on what you'd expect from evolution. This stoic BS that you should be perfectly happy completely isolated and lonely is gaslighting so many men's painful experience. Think, solitary confinement is considered …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:18 AM
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This is nonsense. Human beings are programmed by evolution to seek out relationships. This stoic BS about you should be perfectly happy completely isolated and lonely is gaslighting so many men's obvious experience. Think, solitary confinement is considered torture. Why should we be satisfied and strong because society has created conditions that effectively torture men that have biologically wired needs of affection? All the stoicism grandstanding just sounds like a gaslighting cope to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:09 AM
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full cynic, I love it lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:01 AM
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Bars are a waste of time. I find success in female-dominated hobbies like ballroom dancing or theater. They aren't always there to find a guy but if a very fun guy shows up she may be interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:37 PM
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Of course attractive guys with social and material proof do well. But they do well in any environment with available women. Social media just gives you a more reach at the cost of less organic interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:14 PM
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I am convinced OP is a Meta employee. Most guys I know get maybe 1 match a month with a single mom on dating apps. Instagram is a toxic environment that rewards bad behaviors like flexing your wealth, or having a large parasocial following of people that are nothing compared to real close friends. Better to have a small network that invest heavily in each other, than 100K followers on social media who are completely artificial. Even if a gamed instagram account results in success, the damage don…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 08:52 PM
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I've never seen that at any ballroom or swing I've been at. The women seem to welcome and cultivate ANY man that shows up because there's always a shortage of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 08:02 PM
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The girls dancing with each other always gaze with envy at the girl I'm dancing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 08:01 PM
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You can fight the universe as long as you need to. We all succumb to effectiveness and practicality at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 06:01 PM
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Every man I've talked to mentioned this as a motivation to learn ballroom to some degree. I've found many women are often bad at identifying this. Sure, some are aware of it, and others can at least identify the clearly uninterested guy that's only there to grope them. But put a skilled dancer in front of her with a strong frame that leads ahead of time and isn't acting thirsty, and she'll project what she believes to be her own motivations onto the man she is dancing with. I also don't think mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 12:43 AM
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Rational converstaions like reading are very anti-seductive. To seduce a woman she needs to find you physically attractive and you need to engage her emotions. Hiking is not the best option to meet women because it doesn't have a built-in way to find and seduce potential women, but it's a great date idea though. In ballroom dancing lessons, the instructor literaly tells the women to touch you and then they rotate so you get a chance with every woman there. You get to have physical connections wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 04:09 PM
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False, a lawyer can sit at the bar by himself all night long. It's emotionally engaging conversation that gets you laid. That can be done at the grocery store, alcohol just makes men more courageous. Dancing is truly seductive all by itself. You don't need to be Cassanova, since the physical connection does a lot of the heavy lifting for you. Finding women that are physically attractive to you and then seducing her with your actions or words is how this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 04:04 PM
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More harm than good I'd say. Most women desire masculine men. You can do the hobbies I mentioned in a masculine way, but few men participate resulting in a shortage of men. Also, dancing can be quite good cardio so many of the women are in good shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:47 AM
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The only hobbies that can help get you laid are ballroom dancing, improv comedy/theater, and volunteering at an animal shelter.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 10:10 PM
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Incel is a descriptive term not an insult. If anything it insults women who are too delusional to understand their true sexual market value. I know plenty of incels that are excellent people, and amazing friends. They just happen to be short, bald, unfashionable, unconfident, or fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 03:24 PM
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Had to be a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:11 PM
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As a rich man, I love poor women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 12:59 AM
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The fact that you think the rejection women go through is anything like what men go through is proof enough that your intersexual understanding is severely lacking. Maybe make a tinder profile with the permission of an average looking male friend. Try to get a date as a man and then come back here to debate intersexual dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:13 PM
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At least with speed dating the girls are paying, so they are less likely to be uninterested in dating. All women are delusionaly picky now though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:09 PM
25

Hahaha women have absolutely no idea what it’s like to be an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 04:06 PM
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Not at all. I was a late bloomer, followed the advice and f “just be yourself”. The problem was myself was unattractive, autistic, lacked social skills and fun. I had zero options and no friends. Now I am jacked, can ballroom dance, and become a performing improv comedian. I have plenty of options now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 03:56 PM
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I don’t mind older happily married women. It’s just that women my age that aren’t married, there is usually reason that she isn’t. A younger woman hasn’t been scooped up yet, so it is really just a game of trying to get the best match. That being said, I would always leave the door open for an older woman that is a late bloomer or worked through her problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 08:12 AM
1

I guess I’m fortunate to live here then. Never had a problem supporting my girlfriends. I do earn quite a good living in my field but I’m not rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 03:27 PM
1

Dang I wonder why almost no women want to be bread winners to stay at home husbands. Seems like such a great opportunity for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 07:07 AM
1

They do by and large, I'm an outlier though because I am a demisexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 04:13 AM
1

You should be pickier with the guys you pick then. I know plenty of average looking men that would love to find a submissive girlfriend to provide for. Unfortunately they all chase the hot 10/10 guys on Tinder that use them for sex instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 04:05 AM
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No, nannies work by taking care of other people's kids 40 hours a week if they are full time. A SAHM gets the luxury of taking care of her own kids (which she will cherish in it's own right), and that doesn't take 40 hours a week. After the kids are 6+ years old they go to school and she is spared even that labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 04:04 AM
1

Keyword being "IF". I was considering a hypothetical to illustrate the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 12:32 AM
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Many do! I hired someone to make meals for me for example. I still leave the door open for a stay at home cohabiting girlfriend, but I'm not holding my breath either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 12:28 AM
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What? What is expected of modern SAHM that 1950s housewives didn't do? If anything breadwinner husbands are now expected to help their unemployed SAHM wives with chores that 1950s wives used to happily do with LESS labor-saving technology than we have now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 12:27 AM
1

I don't want kids personally, I was talking about the general SAHM case originally.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 12:25 AM
1

Because men are expected to play our tradional roles (when it benefits women) but women refuse to play theirs (when it benefits men). Men just figured out the modern LTR/marriage deal is a massive rip off and actively sabotages his own life, so they view women like the 304 only fans girls most of them are. I'll happily clean my own house when I am single or dating, but the moment I am paying for all the bills with a rare 1% woman that is worthy, I expect her to take care of everything around the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 11:56 PM
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What are you talking about? All men want is belly full, balls empty, house clean. We take care of everything else. The modern world has made this stupidly easy for women to accomplish with a few hours of labor a week and they still find a way to victimize themselves. Men figured this out and now only use women for sex because the LTR deal is no longer worth it like it was in the 1950s.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 11:51 PM
1

Hell no I wouldn't! I have supported myself financially and I understand what that entails. If my wife was generous enough to pay all the bills, and I wanted for nothing and all I had to do is cook and clean? Fuck that, I'm rubbing her feet too. But of course almost no women would agree to this arrangement. Reverse the genders, and almost all men would agree to be a breadwinnner for a gracious SAHM.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 11:49 PM
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Ok! It's much cheaper to hire a housemaid than hiring me to work the equivalent hours, lmao. The reason men offer the breadwinner/SAHM arrangement is because they desire companionship and they are willing to sacrific to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 11:47 PM
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Imagine women used to do everything without technology. Not we have endless gadgets making being a stay at home mom way easier, and yet women STILL find ways to complain. Keep in mind it is much harder to be a breadwinner now than it was in 1950, and yet it is LESS appreciated. So to recap, compared to 1950: 1) being a SAHM is far less hours of work 2) being a breadwinner is much harder 3) women are less willing to be a SAHM now than 1950 4) men are doing more work now and still shamed for not d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 10:09 PM
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Stay at home partner literally doesn’t work an actual job. All they have to do is a few hours a week upkeep. We got dishwashers, washer dryer, roomba. How lazy can you be when someone is putting in at least 40 hours a week to 100% financially support you? Go out on your own. Work 40 hours then come hope and keep your house clean for a while, maybe then you would appreciate a breadwinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 09:51 PM
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Bro are you paying ANY of the bills ms dependent? Have some respect for your breadwinner. I would never allow my wife to do a single chore if I was a stay at home dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 09:45 PM
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Rare to see a woman with such a clear and honest understanding of the male perspective. 👏👏
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 11:24 PM
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I don't want a strong and experienced women. I want her to be pure and uncorrupted by bad boys that used her for sex. Experienced woman will often unfairly project her ex's bad behavior on to my good intentions. Pure and innocent woman are much less hassle from the man's perspective. For me and many strong leader archetypal men, we want her to be supportive, lady like, nice, peaceful, trusting, and want to be led by us. These are not the traits of a strong and experienced women. Few things are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 07:22 AM
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I think you'll repel more good men by feigning disinterest. Players know how to overcome resistance because they literally study that exact roadblock. They know the right behaviors and words to seduce a woman. Genuine romantic men just read it as disinterest and look for a more innocent and genuinely reciprocating girl to pursue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 12:35 AM
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You said a small portion of men ARE attractive to motivate you to approach though. That's the point that is denied so often, and young men need to hear more women being honest about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 12:33 AM
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I don’t think his pursuit makes any difference in his intentions. Many men will pretend to love women they hate to get sex. It’s the woman’s responsibility to determine if his interests align with hers, because it’s safe to assume almost all men are interested in easy sex no matter who is pursuing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 06:57 AM
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Ya, I always say average guys make me look great, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 02:01 AM
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Yes, that is a trade off. We used to have social pressure to avoid those outcomes. Like your dad and brothers would vet the guy "what are your intentions with my daughter?" hand on shotgun was pretty effective. We don't do that kind of thing anymore because it's been deemed "patronizing" by feminists. If women wanted to pursue this strategy they would have to have a good understanding of the male perspective and a well-calibrated red flag radar. If done well, I think it's the best strategy for w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:59 AM
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Unless you're 70+ you can always attract some men at least a little. You can have your picture rated on photofeeler.com to see where you fall on 1-10 scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:40 AM
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Women do not desire dick, I give them what they desire (excitement, fun, similar interests, and a great physical appearance). Hence their genuine burning desire for me, at least the girls that haven't had their innocence destroyed with the emotional baggage that comes from hot players using them for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:38 AM
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Why would a man work hard for something when other women are making it easy for him? Fake gamey disinterest just repulses me. I look for genuine burning desire from innocent women without a ton of emotional baggage giving them artificial behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:38 PM
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Yes, tradtional when it benefits her, and modern when it benefits her. Smart men are wise to this game and either have 100% modern hookups or traditional gender roles. Traditional is great because there are not arguments about who does the dishes, pays the bills, or cooks dinner. We each know our roles and happily do them because it is what both of us want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:19 PM
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That's all correct factually, but I wouldn't limit yourself from shy guys. If I were a woman, I would actually look for and hunt the insecure, brilliant, average looking, talented guy with a heart of gold. You'll get an amazing man that just happens to be shy at approaching and escalating with girls. There is mountains of men like this and there is so much value women leave on the table by refusing to go after that kind of hidden treasure. And as a side benefit, the odds of him cheating are much…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:08 PM
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You've got it backwards it's not the interest turns men off, it's that a man will not reject a women he doesn't like if she shows interest because it's hard for most men to turn down easy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 08:31 PM
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You've got it backwards it's not the interest turns men off, it's that a man will not reject a women he doesn't like if she shows interest because it's hard for most men to turn down easy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 08:29 PM
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I've never once been turned off by a girl that was "too" into me. If anything men pine for the days when women were lady like and wanted to be led.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 08:27 PM
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She said it out loud boys!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 08:26 PM
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If the men you are approacing don't think you are attractive that is feedback. 80% of men will happily marry a girl that is 2 steps under his SMV. Just start pursuing guys at your attraction level and leave the super hot guys for the streets.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 08:23 PM
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Got the hottest girlfriend of my life after only 2 months. 9 years younger than me. Learning partner dancing was crucial along with getting over fear of approaching. I got pretty good at dancing and the confidence was all I really needed. The anger was strong for 6 months, still have flare ups, but I only need to mediate it with some mindfulness. Not getting mad at female nature and viewing bad beahvior kinda like a tornado. You wouldn't get mad at a tornado, so why get mad at women? I'm still a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:42 AM
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Money doesn’t buy sexual options unless you are in Vegas.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:30 PM
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I am talking about men here in case that wasn’t clear. Of course average looking women can get attention. But average looking men, especially those that are too shy to approach in real life are overwhelmingly lonely. The ones that have massive amounts of courage to approach and get rejected 98% of the time occasionally win the lottery and find a girl that somewhat likes him. But I’ve never met an average looking guy that was any woman’s #1. At least in my experience, It is always a settling and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:12 PM
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Beyond decent clothes and hygiene, money does almost nothing for men in the initial phases of attraction. Money only makes women not resent you in medium and long term relationships. But most men aren’t interested in commitment these days anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 07:59 AM
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Wrong, you can’t negotiate desire. That’s like one of the pillars of red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 06:31 AM
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Dr. Buss talks about face symmetry predicting health as to one of the reasons why most but not all women pursue the top 5% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 06:30 AM
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I am simply telling you my personal experience. No one had told me the reason I was unsuccessful with women was because I was average looking(not overweight btw), and my hobbies and interests were not as fun for women. It's not as if I was a boring and ugly person, I was just spending all my time outside of the house playing magic the gathering and dungeons and dragons and looked like 6/10. I may have been the most popular, fun, and interesting guy in the card store, but that is not going to att…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:28 PM
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Nonsense, I always thought a woman should love me for me, and I only need to “be myself”, someone would appreciate my romantic gestures and reciprocate. All that neediness and lack of excellence got me was loneliness and rejection. One I accepted what women want, went to the gym, learned how to make women have fun, it was night and day. I had actual options for the first time in my life. All thanks to the red pill. No other resources online helps men like the red pill. A lot of men experience re…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 09:24 PM
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For hookups that at makes perfect sense, but as a LTR-focused man, all things being equal, I’d take a modestly dressed 7 over a slutty 9 every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 04:03 PM
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It always makes me laugh in real time when a left woman slut shames a competitor because she knows how effective it is to get the man she wants, feminist ideology be damned. It’s pure solipsism, Schrödinger’s ideology changes depending on what benefits her the most in the current moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 03:53 PM
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I get what you mean but bow hunter magazine is still quite masculine. The conservative male spaces are one of the last male spaces made for and by men. But they still don’t talk about women they just keep it strictly business.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 03:50 PM
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Brilliant analysis! Holy cow.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 03:45 PM
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Age is less relevant than experience. I've dated girls in their late 20s that had never had a boyfriend, and that was very similar to the innocence you see with inexperienced younger girls. A 40 year old that lived a sheltered life in an amish compound or under Islamic oppression wouldn't have the same experience as an 18 year old girl that grew up in LA.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 05:40 AM
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It's the outliers that are the problem. Men have worse outliers, hence the threat assessment. Remember the African proverb: "A child that is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:29 AM
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Good thing I didn't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:27 AM
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I can't speak for "normal guys", but if I had to hazard a guess, they may not be aware of the risks, they might feel the social shaming is not worth it. Many men are taught to be ashamed of their desires, I pursue my desires without guilt or shame. It's also important to notice, that our current zeitgeist is enforcing an atypical standard on men. In his book "When Men Behave Badly" Dr. David Buss talks about the historical desires of men, and it would appear based on those facts, men of all ages…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 11:34 PM
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It's more difficult to attract an experienced woman because they are no longer bright eyed with optimism and tehy are more aware of their options. It is also more difficult for experienced women to trust men as a result of having had a failed previous relationship. Women that marry their first partner have the best outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 11:05 PM
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Not all younger women are inexperienced, and experienced young women will have seen how desirable they are, since men of all ages prefer young women. For most (but not all) people as their options increase, they raise their expectations and standards and reduce their willingness to commit because of analysis paralysis. "Can I do better?" is the thief of happiness. So from a LTR-focused man's point of view, we either have to thoroughly vet a heavily experienced woman to ensure she is free of red …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 10:15 PM
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I'm still waiting to hear your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 10:03 PM
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You asked for a reason to desire inexperience. Both studies show that on average, higher partner counts result in worse long term outcomes for men. This shows experience is a predictor of bad outcomes, so it makes sense for LTR-focused men to priotize that when looking for a partner. Younger women are less likely to be experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:05 PM
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You do realize strawmanning your opponent makes you look weak and bad faith right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:00 PM
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Sure, women with more experience are more likely to divorce and cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:54 PM
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How is that so? Again, we are assuming the best case where everyone has good intentions and no deception is at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:25 PM
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I am asking you to steelman your opponent so that your argument is more convincing. It is trivially easy to defeat an opponent in debate when you assume they have the moral character of Josef Mengele.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:23 PM
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Her videos are actually what made me stop labeling myself as a feminist. I could sense the misandry creeping in to the left even 10 years ago. Never fully disconnected from the left until Jordan Peterson and Bret Weinstein blew up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:16 PM
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Predatory men can more easily manipulate an inexperienced woman because she doesn't know any better. She hasn't lived long enough to know when a man is being deceptive. Older deceptive men with bad intentions have had a lot of practice deceiving women, so they will have an advantage if they are skilled in deception.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:13 PM
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Yes everyone agrees predatory men are gross, now let's assume he has good intentions and no deception is at hand. How is this wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:12 PM
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I think it is misogynistic to think an 18F is infantile. Inexperienced? Possibly, but infantile? Many men prefer inexperienced women, and younger women are simply more likely to be inexperienced. Nothing weird about it, just some men's preferences. Now if we we were talking about children 100% with you. But we are talking about two consenting adults in this conversation, and it's best to assume the best case that everyone has good intentions and no deception is at hand. It's easy to defeat an ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:10 PM
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Ya it's misandrist. I'm a good intentioned LTR-focused man and I prefer younger women because I like their behaviors. In relationships with an older woman, I often feel as though I have to pay for the sins of the alpha that used her for sex. With a younger girl, the likelihood of that is smaller. The younger girls I have dated have treated me better, been more bubbly, more optimistic, more trusting, given me the benefit of the doubt, and had a more intense genuine burning desire for me. In compa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 06:59 PM
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Most but not all women have a minimum level of status they will consider for an LTR. Most but not all men do too, but generally value different statuses. Most men want status in the forms of looks, youth, and a kind of feminine game, or how well she supports your life. For most men, a very good girlfriend will make his life easier by taking care of small chores and things that weigh him down and less chaotic by radiating positivity through reframing. For many, that's a high value woman, and a fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 06:48 PM
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The trouble is angry women turn into Anita Sarkesian, angry men turn into Elliot Rodger. Basic threat assessment dictates men are the bigger concern when ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:53 PM
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It depends on the guru. I personally do not take the YouTube red pill rage Charlatans seriously. Any intellectually honest commentator has to agree outliers exist. We can bicker over what % of the male or female population are good choices in a LTR, but everyone should agree it is possible to have a long and fulfilling relationship if both parties do the work to give their partner what they want in good faith. I would say the red pill is more based in their appraisal, accurately describing the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:27 PM
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I don’t know any red pill guru that didn’t acknowledge that outliers and exceptions exist. Generalizations are useful because outliers are rare. “The book of numbers: analyzing the roi on the pursuit of women” breaks down the math behind this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:42 PM
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I don’t infantilize women. Many do make good decisions, but based on the outcomes we see, it seems many of them are little more than semi-responsible teenagers. The men on the other hand are consciously deceiving. They know what they are doing is wrong, so it makes more sense to hold them accountable like we used to do when monogamy was socially enforced.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 05:51 PM
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I would share some of the blame with the top 5% of physically attractive men that are dominating the dating apps. They pretend to love these girls then proceed to pump and dump as often as they like. This in turn erodes women's trust in men thus exacerbating the problem. Women eventually only value a man for the fun or physical attraction he brings to the table because at least she can get real immediate value from that, and just expect a one night stand. We used to enforce monogamy, reducing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 07:03 AM
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This is why dread is so important. More people should use it as a tool when their partner drops below their standards to avoid the resentment that comes with mediocrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 06:22 AM
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"Want to go dancing Tuesday night at 7PM?" "Oh, I'm working that night." "No worries, when are you available?" "Actuallly I work every night." (or whatever excuse) "Ah darn, that sounds exhausting! Well I am looking for someone to go on fun dates with. Sorry it didn't work out." Leaders should know how to get to either a yes or a no quickly. It's your time, don't waste it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 06:14 AM
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1000% Interested women make it easy. They WANT to spend time with you. Most men don't know what genuine burning desire looks like because women only give to top 5% men, thus all the male suffering and confusion that we see.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 06:08 AM
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I love to feel needed. But I am a captain type that likes to lead.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 06:06 AM
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It's not her job to make it easy for you. You have to read inbetween the lines, understand the feedback she is implicitly giving you, and change your behavior if needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 06:01 AM
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Yes, men exhibit the same behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 05:54 AM
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No I mean it is less risky/harmful/effort to do the selfish behavior we are seeing. Women have been taught to behave this way because men punish them if they do anything else. Let's take ghosting on Tinder. A woman can simply ignore or block a man and never have to deal with him. If she is honest as to why she is rejecting him, he may get angry, defensive, insecure, or even violent. Even irl, girls have adapted this behavior. Our ancestral women learned to be gently or indirect in rejecting men …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 06:02 PM
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There's no incentive to do any of these except 5. Failing to approach or reply when interested punishes you because of missed opportunity. The others have potential downsides and no one really sacrifices their own advantage for an unwanted stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 06:05 AM
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The trouble is most men don't want to rape, non-psychopathic men want a willing participant. That's why men don't utilize prostitution more. In this type of dystopia, I think it would be more likely to see Genghis Khan style raping, and any dissent or revolutions will be controlled through political prosecution and gulags like we saw in the Soviet Union and currently see in North Korea. Hell, Trump was quite friendly with both Russia AND North Korea, so you even have a model to emulate if he goe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 06:48 AM
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I don't have exact data on garbage man laid rates, but I take your point well. The NEETs are definitely LARPing since they will certainly be the first to die when the power goes out. At least I can give value by swing dancing, playing violin, and quoting Dr. David Buss, because my C++ skills won't mean shit at that point, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 06:00 AM
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Oh, I am not an incel, though I feel sympathy for them. I'm fairly attractive (8/10 on photofeeler.com) and I do ballroom dancing, so I get offers for one night stands about once a week, though I turn them down because I am LTR oriented. I just happen to study intersexual dynamics and evolutionary psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 05:47 AM
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Just look at all the 'boss girl' Ukrainian women that instantly turned into sweet innocent June Cleaver types or fled the country while the men stayed and fought.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 05:37 AM
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Your behavior will change when the electricity turns off. Women will start wearing dresses again when their survival depends on it. The reason women are behaving the way they are now is because of material conditions. Women don't need men like they did in the 1950s, and the birth control pill has allowed women to become promiscuous without much risk. Tinder really did the dating market dirty by giving women thousands of options of attractive men. Since a 10 man will happily fuck and ghost a 4 wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 05:33 AM
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I agree with you. Repealing the 19th amendment(women's right to vote) would cause a huge conflict. My point is that men will always win ANY conflict because of their massive advantages in physical/mental strength and self-sacrificing resilience in fighting. I don't think women quite appreciate how very very angry young men are and just how desperate and "nothing to lose" their mindsets are right now. Put it like this, I am personally very concerned for not only you, but the rest of society as we…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 05:06 AM
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I'd rather just cuddle than use a condom.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 04:36 AM
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Assuming women have the rights to do any of those things. Gen Z men are very very upset right now and they really want to repeal the 19th. That's like a big movement right now, scary as it is. If they make a genuine effort at that, I don't think women could do anything to stop them beause of the physical advantage men have over women. Could always flee to Canada I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 04:29 AM
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A very small minority of women have fetishes for old men, bald guys, fat guys, whatever. Yes, you'll have to get brutally rejected by hundreds in order to find one that genuinely likes you, but it's not hopeless.
/r/BlackPillScience07/11/24 08:07 PM
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I don't even know what we are arguing at this point. Most men find Salma Hayek at 22 more attractive than Salma Hayek at 55.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:15 PM
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We have the data though. Dataclysm proved that even men in their 70s are most attracted to 22 year old girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 09:45 PM
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But men don't desire the 39 year old as much. Autstic men that are champion ice skaters are rare, but that doesn't mean women want them. The fact is the 39 year old is aware that she is losing against peak 22 year olds, so when she's faced with a man that's her #1 choice, she will be more aggressive to beat out her intrasexual competition. We know men of all ages prefer women around 22. The market will have given older women this feedback. She will unconciously feel her desirability decreasing. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 09:22 PM
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I don't find older women make me jump through hoops. In fact, I feel less jumping is needed the older the woman. Of course, I am aware these older women SAY they have more requirements, but as we all know women break rules for alphas. If she can get attention from a genuinely 1 in 10,000 guy she will dispense with her lists in an effort to lock down a man that she only could attract when she was 22. Again, I am an outlier for sure so you're point may be completely valid for average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 09:01 PM
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Read my last sentence again.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 08:57 PM
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Are the embryo's don't have rights crowd really arguing that it's murder or violating the woman's body autonomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 07:53 PM
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I'm a 34M (8/10 on photofeeler.com) and I can attract 21-25 girls, but I find it more difficult than attractive women around 30. The main hangup I find is she doesn't want the negative social stigma from dating an older men or I'm simply not hot enough for her. They'll admit I'm the most fun they've ever had but worry about being judged or they'll give me a token excuse that translates too "you are not hot enough for me". I find gen Z women are anxious and ruminate way more about social judgemen…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 07:46 PM
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No, many people don't think embryos have rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 07:21 PM
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People are free to speak to someone. You don't have the right to demand the arrest of someone simply for talking to you. You can only enlist the police once the individual is harassing you which has a much higher burden of proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 07:20 PM
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You need growth mindset. I was stuck in negativity too, but once I got the ball rolling, my outcomes improved slowly and steadily. I'm not a gymbro, I have more of a dancers body with lean muscle. Meathead body builders are generally not attractive to women. You only need to bench press your body weight and you'll be good to go. I go to planet fitness and never interact with anyone. Just do my 45min workout twice a week and that by far made the biggest difference in my results. Just force yourse…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 06:53 PM
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You've got the wrong idea bud. Women don't feel genuine burning desire because of your money, that just makes you a viable option. GBD comes from physical attraction(gym) and fun(comedy,charm,emotional engagement,dancing,role play, etc). You show a girl the most fun she's ever had in her entire life, spin her around and dip her down low and hit her with a well timed playful joke in a perfect pirate accent and she will show you what GBD is. After having mastered these traits, I would never date a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 06:16 PM
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I agree that the odds are against you (I was in your boat 1 year ago). But there are thousands of girls in your dating radius and some very small % of them may genuinely like you. The thing I realized is that you have to approach every girl you have even slight interset in and see if she reciprocates. Going to the gym greatly increased women's interset in me. Learning improv comedy, dancing, charm, etc can all help a ton in face-to-face encounters. In many ways, men CAN work hard to earn the att…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 06:08 PM
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No, I do not attribute this to feminism. Altruism is dead altogether. The modern world has created a society of Machiavellians, but not because of feminism; It is the natural result of a breaking down of social cohesion, material conditions, and societal decay. We saw see similar cynicism in the Soviet Union.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 05:20 PM
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Or move to Thailand or whatever conservative country is the new flavor of the month.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 05:11 PM
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While Islam does have codified honor killings, I don't know of any mainstream red pill influencers that would advocate killing women. The worst you'll get is men saying women are hopeless and advocating for MGTOW or repealing the 19th.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 05:10 PM
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That impedes on another’s rights
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 09:12 AM
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Ignore them, Elon is bringing the sex bots anyway. Then they will really be screwed when their car breaks down.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 08:59 AM
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Judging by the oceans of extreme Trump voters, I wouldn't be surprised if there were millions of misogynist men as well. Both sexes have a depressing amount of haters.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 02:54 AM
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Those insane people on twitter are also insane when they are sitting in their living room, grocery shopping, and working in HR.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 11:29 PM
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Physical attractiveness is not the only trait that contributes to a woman's lust. This is why genuine burning desire is so important. If she is pining for an ex Casanova, then she won't feel GBD for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:23 PM
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I'd say you work your ass off for yourself, and if women show up at some point, select the ones that are organically attracted to you and want to join you in pursuing your vision.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:06 PM
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Every day I value virginity in women higher and higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 02:54 AM
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That's not at all what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 09:47 PM
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The fact this sentiment is held by the majority of women makes me want a vasectomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 09:18 PM
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Apathy is the best strategy because women on both sides will instantly filter out men that don't have perfect political alignment with themselves. It's the same reason celebrities and artists avoid politics, they don't want to lose customers. Male feminists took notice and now use their politics as "good boy points" to help them get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 06:19 PM
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I'm not aware of any way of determining someone's revealed partner count, we can only go on their stated number. It would be interesting if we could calculate it in an objective way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 07:10 AM
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Try 2000.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 07:08 AM
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I always thought blue pill is "just be yourself" and red pill is "be your BEST self" Blue bill got me 20 years of struggling, negotiating with women to like me. Once I started reading red pill books, hit the gym, and took ownership of my life, it was pretty immediate. Girls had genuine burning desire for me, and there's nothing that comes close to that feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:55 AM
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"The Book Of Numbers" By Aaron Clarey goes through this topic by the numbers. Women are simply uninterested in 95% of guys. Sure, they enjoy getting hit on by men and then turning them down. They enjoy getting tinder matches, messages from simps, etc, but they string them along and don't pursue anything with the bottom 95% of men. But women of all stripes compete for the attention of the top 5% of men, so they are spoiled for choice. They behave "badly" from the woman's point of view because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 09:03 PM
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Hybristophilia
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 08:45 PM
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That is all true, and a separate issue with entirely different solutions. Wealthy educated couples have better divorces and more healthy co-parenting sure, but that's an outlier to the masses of young boys who don't have a father in their lives at all. This occurs either when women decided to have kids with deadbeat dads out of wedlock, or nasty divorces that alienate the father. The result remains the same though, young boys need both parents in their lives, or they have bad outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 08:59 PM
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The study I saw said it was high marital conflict that produced anxiety and behavioral issues in children. Every marriage will have some level of conflict unless there is a 100% submissive parent. So there must exist a gradient of conflict where some inflection point exists that would render divorce advisable for the kid's sake. Finding the inflection point is where the debate should lie. But perhaps there is room for interventions that reduce marital conflict. I don't know much about how effect…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 08:03 PM
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That's an interesting finding if true, but you are comparing the best outcomes of divorce with the worst outcomes of marriage. Perhaps there are some marriages where there isn't much marital conflict besides passive aggressive money problems where the woman feels resentful that she makes more money than her husband and divorces him because she feels like she deserves a more luxurious lifestyle (#1 cause of divorce by the way). In that case, staying married to a man she fights with because he mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 07:51 PM
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Sorry should have been more clear I am talking about the boys not the husband. Broken homes produce bad outcomes for kids. Being raised in a broken home is the #1 predictor of future violence for boys. While it is true that men often commit suicide and homicides following a bad divorce, I wouldn't peg women with that responsibility since the man is an adult and is fully responsible for his own behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 07:40 PM
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Most don't. The nature of the divorce is such that it produces the biggest correlation with bad outcomes for the kids. Regardless of that fact, women shouldn't make decisions that have the worst outcomes for her kids. Maybe women are uneducated about this fact, maybe they simply don't care since they are unwilling to sacrifice their own desires to benefit her kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 07:34 PM
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I don't see why a loving wife wouldn't want to at least give her husband head if it is causing him so much distress. Men are happy to sacrifice and suffer real pain to help their family's success but women refuse to do one selfless act that would greatly help her family? Her husband's happiness directly contributes to her and her family's success and yet they will die on this hill all day long. Men should have higher standards and never commit to a woman that doesn't have genuine burning desire …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 07:23 PM
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College educated women Initiate 90% of divorce which is the leading predictor of creating violent men. So while women do not pull the trigger, they unknowingly load the gun.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 07:19 PM
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Why the hell did you post in this thread? You contributed nothing but your own self-righteous indignation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 05:00 PM
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That's not what I said. I said virgin women that marry young have the best outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 04:23 PM
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On average, virgin women that marry young have better outcomes than all other cohorts of women. Some end up having to divorce, but they take half the man's wealth, 18 years of child support, and sometimes permanent alimony. There isn't much downside to be fair. As a girl, the key to avoiding the worse (but honestly not that bad) of the common outcomes of divorce (ignoring massive outliers like murder, rape, or psychopaths) is having non-sexually interested men like your dad and brothers evaluate…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 07:16 PM
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The rough part for high IQ women is that evolution rewarded ancestral women for selecting high IQ men (because those men had a higher chance of keeping the kids alive), so there is a high-IQ preference built-in to woman's evolutionary programming. For a high IQ woman to feel like her boyfriend is intelligent, he needs to have an equal or higher IQ than herself, since people tend to under-appreciate people with lower IQ than themselves. For men, this evolutionary incentive doesn't exist because a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 10:04 PM
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Talking with other like minded men is a great way to reinforce, steel sharpens steel, etc. But talking about these things with women is a bad idea. Like showing her the spreadsheet of your field note KPIs. She just wants a fun flirting partner, she doesn't want to know how the sausage is made. In reality, women kinda want to think you're a natural and you didn't have to learn all the ways women are attracted to men like you needed a Chilton's instruction manual for seducing women.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/24 09:15 PM
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Women with 130+ IQ are simply harder to please. I find myself attracted to these women the most, but man oh man it's so difficult to find one that reciprocates. It's like I could be nobel prize winning, underwear model, billionaire, with world class dancing skills, but she'll think "ehhh he wears that Witcher 3 shirt sometimes, kinda weird idk.." I usually just give up and pursue women that actually show interest and follow through with dates instead. They are normally 95-120 IQ and are MUCH eas…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 07:43 PM
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We can't fix the world or even other people, all we can do is fix ourselves! I worked really hard on my career, got a super high value degree, bought a house, invested heavily in making my home beautiful and well maintained, achieved my fitness goals at the gym, learned how to ballroom dance, learned improv, and made friends with the uplifting people I see in my local community. I quickly became so desirable I could point in a random direction and have a new girlfriend. I clawed through the suff…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 09:24 PM
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Societal pressure to "do the right thing" for your "atta boys" used to be a real thing. Men would plow a field all day long if they felt like they were being honorable in a society worth suffering for. But today, there is so little social cohesion, that no one wants to suffer at all for a society of such little value. People prioritize themselves in a kind of selfish hedonism all while holding completely cynical beliefs about their society. The antidote to this would be a unifying national ident…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 06:49 PM
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Tatoo this into your brain: In practice there is no losing The only way to lose is to not practice YOU WILL SUCK AT FIRST! Just constantly tell yourself "GO GO GO" and you’ll learn naturally as you go. Push through low confidence times with a growth mindset. Think: "Of course I suck with girls! But that's just temporary. I am brand new to this very difficult skill, but I'll get better as long as practice as much as possible"
/r/TheRedPill27/09/24 07:56 PM
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Dr. Geoffrey Miller Dr. David Buss Mark Manson Jordan Peterson
/r/MensRights29/08/24 11:23 PM
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Peterson is super solid.
/r/MensRights29/08/24 11:21 PM
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I trust this means most women are sharing a few chads that are loaded up with STDs? So these Chads use women like they are fleshlights, break their hearts, and fill them STDs when there are countless lonely but uglier wholesome guys that would love to be a good boyfriend if they were given even one chance?
/r/BlackPillScience29/08/24 02:52 PM
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I will say if you cast a wide enough net, there are women that prefer conventionally ugly men. But you have to be ok with getting rejected 1000 times to get one yes. Also, if you have tons of social proof and wealth you CAN get gold diggers and starfuckers to be interested. Henry Kissinger was banging super models in his 70s.
/r/BlackPillScience29/08/24 02:41 PM
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One thing always gives me the biggest green light confidence boost. Go partner dancing (swing, ballroom, salsa, etc). When you feel her palms are sweaty you KNOW you have the upper hand because that's a biological reaction to nervousness about a guy she really likes, then make her work for your approval. You will exude genuine pure confidence because YOU KNOW she is super into you, and that will make you radiate the biggest dick energy imaginable. Keep her having fun and emotionally invested and…
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