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Yeah, this used to be more of an issue before phones became a thing. Don't use your company computer to do personal stuff - just use your phone or a personal laptop or whatever. Obviously it helps if you're not observable while doing so.
/r/MGTOW24/06/21 12:19 AM
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there was plenty of sexual harassment back in their day. Women would just get fired if they reported it. ... Pease don't idealize the past. That was what I was trying to say. Yes, women were harassed, but you wouldn't be fired for it. Hence dating at work was safer. What is considered sexual harassment today wasn't considered sexual harassment in the past, even though it still happened. I'm not saying that the old days were good for women. I'm just pointing out that it is crazy to look to work f…
/r/MGTOW218/06/21 08:45 PM
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The same way twitch streamers acknowledge every new sub in their livestream, it all just feels kind of weird and fake. Honestly, this is why I avoid Twitch in general (even for content I'd probably otherwise enjoy like game streaming). There is this weird thing with almost any kind of livestreaming where everybody acknowledges every donation all the time in realtime. Happens with MGTOW content too. If I'm watching somebody I'm probably interested in what they have to say or do. I'm less interest…
/r/MGTOW18/06/21 12:59 PM
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All true, but you could say the same of 99% of relationships. :)
/r/MGTOW18/06/21 12:20 PM
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I don't see how a MGTOW could pay for onlyfans. I don't see why not: Not marrying - check! Not cohabitating - check! I wouldn't do it, but if some guy wants to it is probably one of the cheaper ways to have a "relationship" with a woman, and about as genuine as most of them.
/r/MGTOW18/06/21 12:20 PM
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I can't imagine that most of these guys would want to be seen in public behaving this way. A strip club is way too social a place.
/r/MGTOW18/06/21 12:14 PM
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Unless you are a Chad or top 10% of guys, expect 5/10 and lower. The guys who are on OF are not going to get a 5/10. They'd be lucky to get a 2/10 single mother. And there are a TON of guys in this category. Even a lot of people who are redpilled are in denial about how much work most men would need to do in order to attract women and how incapable those men are in getting there.
/r/MGTOW18/06/21 12:13 PM
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For most women, feelings are reality. Heck, at this point I'd say the same is true for most men as well. We've become a society ruled by feelings. Nobody thinks three steps ahead - just whatever feels right in the moment is what you go with.
/r/MGTOW18/06/21 11:44 AM
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Keep in mind that parents are always a generation or two behind the times. My mother always seemed puzzled about why I'm not looking for romance at work. I'm sure she was back in her time. Of course, back then there wasn't such a thing as sexual harassment at all, let alone the whole #metoo thing today. The lesson to not shit where you eat is an important one, especially when you're getting started in life. If you get one negative incident it could ruin your career for the rest of your life if i…
/r/MGTOW217/06/21 09:59 PM
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Women have turned out to be outright rude from the beginning. In the communications exchanged, there is no use of the word 'kindly, please, or sorry'. Sentences are like 'be there' 'don't be late' as some kinda order from an authority than talking to a potential life partner. This is the illusion of abundance on their part. Women get a TON of attention on dating sites. They don't even have time to read all the offers they get. So they perceive the problem is that they have to filter down the lis…
/r/MGTOW17/06/21 08:36 PM
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Are you sure about the "no kids" part? That would easily explain her situation.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/06/21 07:24 PM
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Some depreciate slowly. The problem is that they ALL depreciate, and their standards almost never depreciate faster than their value. When she is a 10 she won't settle for less than a 15. When she is an 8 she won't settle for less than a 12. When she is a 5 she won't settle for less than a 10. When she is a 2 she won't settle for less than a 7. All the while: WAATGM...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/06/21 06:56 PM
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even 50 is bad With the way women naturally evaluate men, two is bad. There is the saying that "ignorance is bliss" and there is some truth to that. Heck, I'd extend the same thing to a lot of men unless all you care about is having some mediocre sex. People naturally make comparisons, and at some point nobody is ever going to meet your inflated expectations. Women are naturally in the role of being judges. You perform, they decide. This is a very non-partnering way to go about life. The only wa…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/06/21 03:54 PM
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As a man you HAVE to figure out to at least be satisfactory in bed. There is no requirement that anybody of any gender be satisfactory in bed. Sure, there are consequences for this, but not being "satisfactory in bed" doesn't make you less of a "man."
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/06/21 03:31 PM
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Well, maybe they'll meet somebody like this woman...
/r/MGTOW16/06/21 04:00 PM
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The advantage that men have is that these oppressions indirectly make him stronger so he is more likely to get success via his efforts fighting said oppression. Testosterone also provides advantages, especially during development. Anyone who transitions to male later in life gives up both of those advantages, so they basically get the pain without the conditioning to deal with it.
/r/MGTOW12/06/21 08:05 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence/ Ton of resources in the sidebar. They aren't as cool as what you'll find on WSB, but they also won't lose 50% of your savings overnight...
/r/MGTOW210/06/21 05:15 PM
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Good luck with that. They can't even ban pirated movies and music online. Granted, they might push the porn market overseas or reduce the production quality of porn using bans.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/06/21 05:11 PM
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women will always have someone to support them like a lover, family, friends, acquaintances, church, social group, govt, and even random people Yup - if men were treated the same way, they would probably behave the same way, or at least would do so to a larger degree. You don't see many women who are homeless, because ultimately there are a bazillion simps out there and most women choose to spread their legs over living on the streets. They might not want to live with a simp, but they'll put up …
/r/MGTOW210/06/21 04:42 PM
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This is my experience as well. I think a lot of this is that I'm just not a very "average" person, so when you toss the redpill and being older on top of everything else it just gets really hard to click. And that is fine - the world doesn't owe me a friend. I try to be friendly, but I'm not going to pretend somebody is a close friend if they aren't. It is more important to get used to being on my own. I do think, however, for a lot of guys the general advice to "just make male friends" isn't su…
/r/MGTOW210/06/21 04:37 PM
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IMO this guy messed up. He should have arranged it so that his wife ran off with that guy, especially if his income became significantly higher. With her being out of state and not wanting to rock the boat with the new husband, he would probably get a much better deal on the divorce. Now he has a wife who is desperate for money and so she'll be directing her lawyer to try to extract every last penny she can get. She is also out of work so the court will be sympathetic and will want to try to sof…
/r/MGTOW10/06/21 01:35 PM
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Note that I'm not suggesting that you should be buying options - doing so on that stock would probably be pretty crazy. I'm just saying that setting a stop loss at $200 will definitely not guarantee that you will get $200. Setting a stop limit at $200 will probably result in you just holding the shares all the way to the bottom if it crashes. On a very volatile stock like GME setting either could also result in you selling the stock at a momentary dip even if it doesn't crash. Most WSB-types wou…
/r/MGTOW209/06/21 07:02 PM
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I'm still figuring out the actual mechanics of trading in regards to how limits and stuff work but I believed if you set it in advance then it should go through. You might want to take the time to learn. If you set a stop loss for $50, then you'll sell if the price drops below $50. It will sell for market price, which could be $49.95, or $10, or $0.01. If trading is halted then it won't sell at all. If you set a stop limit, then if the price drops below $50 then a limit order of $50 will get set…
/r/MGTOW209/06/21 05:01 PM
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If you're just doing it for fun then by all means have fun. It would be no different from spending 90% of your money on entertainment, which is what many at your age do. my plan is to sell out if it does get too low for me So, the usual strategy if you're going to invest in individual companies is to buy low and sell high. If you're selling when the price "gets too low" then you might want to think about that. :) The people who made the most money on GME bought last summer, back when NOBODY was …
/r/MGTOW209/06/21 12:05 PM
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While meme stocks are fun, and I doubled a little bit of cash a few months ago on GME which was crazy, it really isn't what you should be doing with the majority of your money especially when you're bootstrapping your life. You should really think about not just how to make your money grow, but also what you plan to spend it on. If you're thinking about spending it on a car or something in 3 years then having it all vanish a few months before then probably isn't going to help you. I certainly en…
/r/MGTOW209/06/21 10:42 AM
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I also think inflation is likely to be a factor, but when I see Burry shorting treasuries I think that is a mistake. The price of treasuries will be whatever the Fed wants it to be, so if you're going to bet on rates going up I'd probably want to bet on them only going up a tiny bit. Even if inflation is sustained at 5% or whatever that is no guarantee that the Fed won't double down on QE if they come under political pressure. Holding commodities or real estate or other inflation hedges is proba…
/r/MGTOW209/06/21 10:34 AM
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Yup. We don't have any background other than some text and her frustrations. We also don't have much context around the guys she is going after. For all we know she has a shaved head, can't speak a sentence with proper grammar, and is tatted from head to foot, and she is walking up to some guy who is completely straight-laced and has a job as a manager at a Fortune 500 company, and wondering why he isn't interested in her. In her mind she is probably thinking "why wouldn't he be interested in me…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/06/21 06:14 PM
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So pretty much how to be mgtow without even being mgtow. You can't be mgtow without being mgtow. You don't have to say you're mgtow to be mgtow. You don't have to post on mgtow forums to be mgtow. You just have to refrain from marriage or situations that lead to legal entanglement (kids, cohabitation, etc depending on jurisdiction). This guy is basically mgtow right now. However, he doesn't fully get that AWALT so he could very well end up going back.
/r/MGTOW207/06/21 03:34 PM
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MAYBE. I'd really want to vet the therapist though. He obviously has baggage judging by the fact that he is going to Reddit for advice. However, that doesn't mean that any random therapist is going to have better advice. It isn't like getting a therapy license somehow gives you some kind of standing to be handing out general advice especially on matters like your lifestyle or morality. However, MANY therapists seem to do just this. They're also going to do a lot of pushing for him to "get back i…
/r/MGTOW207/06/21 02:00 PM
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This is a big part of why I think LTRs are really difficult to pull off. Gynocentrism applies EVERYWHERE. Your nice conservative family is going to usually take your girlfriend's side over your own once you're in an LTR. So, once you enter that kind of relationship you're basically giving up your own social support network. I remember having an issue or two with my wife and my family basically just wanted to stay out of it. That's certainly a far cry better than taking her side, but obviously no…
/r/MGTOW207/06/21 01:54 PM
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I think that depends on what you mean by assertive. There is knowing what you want and sticking to it. Then there is making sure everybody else knows what you want and getting out of your way. Both might be described as assertive. The latter is being more of an asshole. Women aren't going to be very attracted to the first, because it doesn't convey status. It isn't enough that you know what you want and get it. Women have to see that, and know that everybody else sees that, because that way she …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/06/21 06:27 PM
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A big factor in cancel culture is that the people waging the Twitter wars are far less likely to have real jobs than the people they are targeting. You also have people who are literally paid to protest/etc. Granted, they aren't paid much, but they're basically untouchable as a result. Normal people are less likely to want to burn down the whole system, but they're also much more dependent on having a job, and so they just keep their mouths shut.
/r/MGTOW203/06/21 11:52 AM
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Audioengine A5+. I'm pretty happy with them.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/06/21 11:45 AM
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Yup. We men hang ourselves when we seek external validation. Isn't it enough to know we've won? Why do we need everybody else to know? Better to let others think they've already gotten the upper hand. They can be happy that "they've won."
/r/MGTOW02/06/21 07:36 PM
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When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem you face tends to look like a nail. Women don't have intimidation or physical manhandling as viable options. So, they basically get to choose between asking nicely, yelling (in a pretty non-intimidating way), pepper spray, taser, or gun. Fit male police officers have more tools in their toolbox, so they're more likely to not have to reach for the gun. Another problem is the threat of being hit/grappled. For a woman, if the perp under arrest …
/r/MGTOW02/06/21 04:13 PM
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you’d think that behaviour would eventually be bred out of people yet it’s only gotten more prominent Nothing gets bred out of women, because historically almost all women had children. The evolutionary purpose of women is to manufacture more people. Now, men have all sorts of selective pressures on them because women are wired to only sleep with the best men they can find. Nature doesn't need the vast majority of men to have children, because one man is all it takes to keep a whole bunch of wom…
/r/MGTOW202/06/21 03:53 PM
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He probably will. Ultimately though, if you and your partner aren't on the same page regarding something like this, it is just a matter of time before it happens regardless...
/r/MGTOW202/06/21 03:47 PM
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Keep in mind that laws can change, and there can be a degree of retroactivity to things. So, maybe right now in your jurisdiction cohabitation has no bearing on relationship status. Then a law gets passed that says if you've lived together for some period of time you're now married. Usually in those situations the clock doesn't start ticking once the law passes. So, if you've been living together for two years, and the law passes, congrats - you're a newlywed! Or, well, actually you've been marr…
/r/MGTOW202/06/21 01:40 PM
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I really don't see the point of pre-nups. The whole point of marriage is to give you access to the family court system and "equitable" division of assets. The whole point of a pre-nup seems to be to try to undo the whole point of marriage. So, you're basically entering two legal agreements that are intended to cancel each other out. What is the point? Just don't get married. There are a few other minor things that marriage changes besides how the court treats property and income stream ownership…
/r/MGTOW202/06/21 11:29 AM
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There is a young woman in my family who is well above-average in looks. From the time she went on her first date until the time she got married in her mid-20s I don't think she went more than a couple of days outside a relationship. Oh, after a breakup she might not officially be dating anybody for a whole 2-3 weeks, but if you asked the right questions it was usually apparent that she was going on dates with the next guy only a few days after the breakup, and more often than not knew him before…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/06/21 12:07 AM
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as someone who's hooked up... as someone who has hooked up some very nice and powerful speakers to my computer, I can certify that this woman's voice is quite painful to listen to.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/05/21 12:39 AM
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Honestly, I wouldn't stop for anybody. There are just too many crazies out there. I realize that 95% of people are decent. The problem is what happens when you stumble on the 5%. They're not all women either. If they were in the middle of a desert I might phone 911 to report it just so that they don't end up in a life-threatening situation. Yeah, it sucks, and I really would like to help, but society doesn't do enough to control the crazies and so it is the rest of us who have to pay the price.
/r/MGTOW31/05/21 12:33 AM
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Very true, but the same is also true with a lot of women the PUA-types go after. Obviously STDs aren't a risk if you're going Monk, but at least the prostitutes are probably sober with most of the guys they sleep with and are more likely to use protection. Obviously if you're using a prostitute who DOESN'T require protection you should be considering your life choices...
/r/MGTOW230/05/21 01:34 AM
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They want to prove to you they are better at something than you. Not far off. For women it is about social connections. She said she had a connection with this guy who she figured would impress him. That is how female social hierarchies work. It isn't about what you can do - it is about who you know. From what I've heard from people serving in the military, wives of servicemen tend to form a social hierarchy around the rank of their husbands. The wife of the colonel calls the shots/etc. A colone…
/r/MGTOW28/05/21 01:26 PM
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It is also a form of controlled opposition. I'm not saying that the mods are in some sort of conspiracy, but just the fact that as long as we're here Reddit has a degree of control over us. If everybody just went elsewhere they'd lose all control. Look at their tactics: They can see our sub count, but we can't. So, they get feedback on how their suppression efforts are working, and mods get no feedback on how they're doing promoting things. Bans/etc are given out for comments/upvotes/etc, withou…
/r/MGTOW28/05/21 11:21 AM
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hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of photos of.. themselves This is also driven by a feedback loop. If a woman posts a random photo of something a guy might post a photo of, she will probably get the same response some random guy will get unless she is just an amazing photographer. On the other hand, if she is young and even average in looks, if she posts a photo of herself she'll get hundreds of likes and a bazillion comments about how nice she looks. If guys got that sort of atte…
/r/MGTOW28/05/21 11:04 AM
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It isn't only money - "get woke go broke" is a thing for a reason, but companies keep doing it. Of course, a big part of that is that large companies are largely influenced by employees who don't have that much of a direct tie to the bottom line, and they have boards driven more by connections than success. How else can you explain video game publishers pandering? Women might be responsible for 80% of overall consumer spending, but they're probably 1% of a typical FPS player base/etc.
/r/MGTOW28/05/21 11:02 AM
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Honestly, a situation like this is a guy's best chance to get out of a marriage relatively intact, assuming the new guy is reasonably well-off. If the wife thinks she has hit the jackpot then she'll want to end that marriage as quickly and quietly as possible so that she can step up to something better. This means her husband can offer to make things easy, for a price. Obviously you can't push your luck too hard, but she has better things to worry about so you can probably get a much better deal…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/05/21 08:15 PM
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Yup, one thing about dating somebody way out of your league is that chances are they aren't going to stick around.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/05/21 06:51 PM
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Yeah, with the sex worker you actually get sex. Do you think this woman would actually sleep with a guy dumb enough to send her money?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/05/21 02:52 PM
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That is the problem with women and proxy violence. At best the white knight gets punished. The consequences for women calling for proxy violence are usually non-existent, or extremely minor. Think about it, legally what crime did she commit? Slander, in front of a group of ~20 strangers? Maybe incitement, but I'm not sure what the details are around that. This wasn't an organized group that she was leading - she just stood up and told a lie. If you stand up and say "the sky is purple" that isn't…
/r/MGTOW26/05/21 01:21 PM
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In the US they would just take it as proof that you were there. :) We didn't get to this point using logic, so we're not going to get out of it using logic...
/r/MGTOW26/05/21 12:58 PM
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That, and male sex drive gives them a natural advantage. Women are always sought after for sex, so by making sex the center of everything they make themselves the center of everything. I'm a tall guy. Imagine if I had a friend who was a midget. Now, imagine every time we got together I wanted to make a basketball game the main focus of our gathering. What would be the sport in that? Of course nobody would accept that from a male friend, but because most of us let our little brains run our lives …
/r/MGTOW24/05/21 10:28 PM
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Just another reason not to get mixed up with women. It isn't just the woman you're dating, who might be ok. The problem is with EVERYBODY. Anytime you have a conflict everybody and their uncle will be jumping in to take her side. It really isn't surprising that so many women just go with it and let the blame for everything fall on men. Imagine if you were trying to lose weight but everywhere you went people were just throwing free food at you - junk food, but good-tasting junk food. You know it …
/r/MGTOW224/05/21 08:19 PM
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They've married ugly women, probably ugly inside as well as outside. For me that is the kicker. Look, I get that none of look better as we get older. If it was just skin deep that wouldn't put me off all that much. The problem is that so many of these women start out ugly inside and only get uglier. We just overlook it when they're younger and look nicer, and this excuse just fades with time. It was never more than an excuse though.
/r/MGTOW224/05/21 08:16 PM
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Just another data point. This is why women make terrible friends. They'll never have your back - they might have known you for years but if you tell them something like this they immediately circle the wagons. Heck, 2/3rds of men are like this, but it is probably more like 95% of women. If you're ever in a dispute with a woman, 90% of people will assume you are at fault. GYOW...
/r/MGTOW23/05/21 10:58 AM
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I'm done with women, but even if I wasn't, why on Earth would I ever tell that to a woman? I imagine guys who do are bluepilled and under the impression that you can genuinely be friends with women.
/r/MGTOW23/05/21 10:56 AM
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Perhaps. I really don't care for the tendency to moralize weight arguments. Morality is about things that impact other people, and as long as you're not asking others to pay for your problems I could care less what you look like. Now, consequences are another matter. Most guys are going to be less interested in somebody who is overweight, and that is their preference. When you start attacking people for having preferences that becomes a moral issue. While I think weight is part of why guys are l…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/05/21 10:12 AM
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Oh - I re-read and noted your first statement included guys of all heights. And you know she will exclude many of those Yup. Plenty more desperate high-income guys than desperate buff guys. Looks seem to matter a lot more than income, unless you're talking about beta-bailouts (single mothers mainly). There are a lot of high-income bluepill guys due to STEM.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/05/21 08:37 PM
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I'm sure there are plenty of bluepilled guys making over $130k that would be happy to date her. Some are probably over 6'. However, they're probably not going to look like models, and with her level of fitness interest you know she wants a guy who is serious about fitness. Just a guy who meets her unstated requirements for looks is going to be in very high demand. I do appreciate that she seems to be in reasonably good shape. However, even models in their 20s are going to struggle to nail down a…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/05/21 05:49 PM
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Another factor is longevity. Obesity will kill you in your 50s-60s typically. Maybe your 40s if you're really unlucky. Even without modern medicine/insulin/etc only the worst cases are going to result in death before your 40s. This is well past reproductive age. Now, if you die in your early 40s then your kids are going to be orphans in their teens maybe, but that is about it. So, from a biological perspective there is very little wrong with obesity. Really the biggest issue is if you get outrun…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/05/21 05:21 PM
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None of this is being done "FOR men." Alimony won't go away until women start paying it. Then getting rid of it will be done to benefit women. As it is courts already try to prefer awarding child support over alimony when possible. Both benefit the woman 95% of the time, but child support comes tax-free to her (the man pays the taxes on it). I doubt that marriage will EVER make sense for men. I think the problems go far beyond alimony, though some of these more egregious problems make it incredi…
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 05:17 PM
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Should? Of course. Will it happen? Of course not. This is why we GYOW. Though obviously that doesn't help rape victims much...
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 05:00 PM
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Well, there is a bit of a trend change here. Courts are starting to award alimony to men a bit more often, and in states where this is starting to happen you hear more of a call to get rid of alimony. As the previous post said - once men start to benefit from it then it will be eliminated. So, it is probably true that courts are "becoming more equal" in the sense that maybe now it is 93% of alimony payers instead of 98%. There won't be a rush to get rid of it though until it is net-beneficial to…
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 01:29 PM
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People change over time, just like my mom did. Having been married I can attest to this. It doesn't even have to be a super-negative change - people just change. That goes for men too. Who here is the same person they were 30 years ago? Sure, maybe you'll grow together, but you could also grow apart. Maybe that could be something that drives you to be more tolerant/etc, but often it is just a constant daily irritation, and women have a LOT of incentive to start wielding divorce like a weapon in …
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 12:51 PM
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All of that is true. The bit about presumed paternity can often be fought depending on where you live, but usually only if you do it RIGHT AWAY, without signing the birth certificate. The details of when you can/can't fight it would be something you'd need to talk to a lawyer about or consult the state of the law in your jurisdiction. If you end up in a situation like this talk to a lawyer FAST - if you even have a chance to fight it chances are you'll lose it if you don't get on the ball with t…
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 12:45 PM
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Also true, though I think a key difference is that food is something everybody gets exposed to, while narcotics usually aren't. However, I do think that there are plenty of people out there who have started using drugs and simply cannot stop using them. It is nice to say that everybody has the willpower to do anything, but I don't think that is true. Some people were just born to be failures and that is how they're going to end up.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/05/21 07:03 PM
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The traditional way did work - obviously we're all here for that reason. The problem is that people want to pick and choose what parts of traditionalism they want to keep, and that basically means that women have zero responsibility, and men have zero authority, and that just doesn't work. I don't think traditionalism is particularly compatible with modern technology anyway. I'm not sure what the solution is, short of changing biology so that the whole male/female dynamic goes away or works in t…
/r/MGTOW217/05/21 01:23 PM
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I'll add not having woke friends to that list. You don't necessarily need to be a hermit - going to a meet-up to play board games when there is somebody woke there isn't a big deal. However, you don't want to be discussing your personal life with people like this, because they're always looking for oppressors to take down and sooner or later you'll end up being it. That is especially true if you're MGTOW/etc - you're just not going to have the social proof of being woke, and that is as bad as be…
/r/MGTOW17/05/21 01:20 PM
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Yup, if this isn't out there in the general public (online/twitter/etc) he should just count himself lucky and ghost those "friends" completely. They're going to be a thorn in his side for the rest of his life and maybe next time one of them blows it up on Twitter and now he can't be employed. If only his "friends" know about it then he can still go his own way and get a job and have a decent life. Once it gets into the public forum your options get limited quite a bit. It just isn't a game you …
/r/MGTOW17/05/21 01:18 PM
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Controlling weight is a lot easier for some than others, so it tends to be an area where people experience a lot of judgment. Honestly, it really doesn't matter whether she wants to lose more weight or not. The problem is expecting that people won't care about your weight in a romantic relationship. Most people do not find high weight attractive, and so it shouldn't be surprising that people who are overweight tend to not get much interest. If you aren't going to lose weight then that is just so…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/05/21 01:12 PM
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Yeah, except with OF it is the simps who do 95% of the collective work. Yes, the woman does need to create the content, but for the most part she just has to advertise it a bit and the simps come running to her.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/05/21 02:23 PM
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What does dating have to do with MGTOW? He didn't say he was marrying her, or living with her, or having a kid with her. MGTOW is primarily about avoiding marriage. It isn't about avoiding sex and relationships, though you can choose to do that and also be MGTOW, since if you're avoiding sex/relationships you're also avoiding marriage.
/r/MGTOW214/05/21 02:14 PM
2

Uh, wow. Idiocracy here we come...
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 10:42 AM
1

Yeah, I'll take a pass on both. What is it with people and their 1930s fantasies these days...
/r/MGTOW14/05/21 10:39 AM
8

Thanks for being the first to point this out. Yeah, she is attracted to intellect, which is why she is trawling for guys at the local bar instead of at the local library or programming meet-up.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/05/21 07:21 PM
9

More like hot guy with money. Women who say they're interested in intelligence are mostly interested in the money/status that come with this, especially when they have kids to feed...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/05/21 07:19 PM
2

It is true that we don't know for sure based on this data at least. However, 70% seems a bit high for the general population. Actually, I'm surprised it is this high even for those suspicious of paternity, so who knows. Obviously it would be ideal if we could just sample the entire population and find out, but nobody is ever going to do that experiment, because while it might not be 70% it will probably an eye-popping number.
/r/MGTOW213/05/21 01:29 AM
4

He never said otherwise. He is making a reasonable argument. Sure, he could turn out to be wrong, but his point is that these numbers aren't necessarily representative of the entire population, which is a reasonable caveat given the methodology here. Nobody is saying that you should run out and have a kid or get married.
/r/MGTOW213/05/21 01:27 AM
24

I think it is more about tearing down the guy than changing how he behaves. Really though this is a losing game to play for men. Unless your twitter account is anonymous you shouldn't be tweeting stuff like this. You should just do it and stay under the radar. This came up in a family conversation and nobody in my family liked the idea of older men (40s-50s) dating women in their 20s. This sort of thing just isn't accepted by the mainstream.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/05/21 05:18 PM
6

These FDS dumbasses think that any woman under 27 is still a child and that her brain hasn't finished developing yet Well, they are still children, though their brains have finished developing. That goes for the ones over 27 as well... :)
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/05/21 05:16 PM
27

You're both right and wrong. Women reach full maturity faster than men. However, "full maturity" means they basically are still children throughout all of adulthood.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/05/21 05:15 PM
5

Yup. This works well for everybody as a whole when it is used for mate selection. The problem is that we want them to hold positions like judges/teachers/etc, and in those positions this tendency is very harmful.
/r/MGTOW12/05/21 10:59 AM
6

Absolutely nothing wrong with a guy knowingly deciding to raise a kid that isn't his. It's a noble thing to do. Sure, but this is a REALLY dumb way to go about it, because there is a good chance that he will just end up paying for somebody else to live really well while they neglect the kid. If you want to raise somebody else's kid then adopt a child without anybody else in the mix. Or just assist a family who is struggling with money but otherwise doing a good job raising their kids (ideally fo…
/r/MGTOW211/05/21 01:24 PM
7

The fact that he's kept her secret all this time just tells us all that he knows he could do much better and is partly ashamed of her. No, he is ashamed of himself. Ultimately his problem isn't with this girl - it is with himself. Guys get into thinking that they need some other person to fix some problem with themselves, and that is how they end up in this situation, whether it be with a 4/10, a 1/10, or a 10/10.
/r/MGTOW11/05/21 01:15 PM
47

Our culture has a fetish with disavowing agency and responsibility. If they aren't stoned or drunk, they're spouting a list of mental disorders or identity labels associated with oppression. This way they get to be a loser at age 30 and it is all everybody else's fault, as if that matters to anybody but other losers. Granted, the real losers are the people who actually keep society running, who for whatever reason still let these people vote. They're the real simps.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/05/21 11:47 AM
45

Just tell them that you find their language uninclusive and that they should only be celebrating birthing person's day. I swear these woke people are going to eat themselves if we just toss a little chum in the water.
/r/MGTOW10/05/21 03:43 PM
8

Case law supports that... Yeah, and in a court of law that case law matters. In the court of public opinion it means nothing. Unless you're a manager or owner or something the legal impact of sexual harassment is pretty low at least in the US. Individual contributors aren't very likely to end up being the defendant of a lawsuit. As an individual contributor your main risk is to your reputation. The way that works is if a woman tweets that you harassed her, then 95% of the public will consider yo…
/r/MGTOW10/05/21 02:57 PM
3

Yup, plus that story follows him around - the boss's side of the story doesn't go in his permanent file. Bosses change - the next one that comes along will just read the HR version and he's stuck with that. Of course he can change jobs, but this just goes to why you need to avoid these risks - the consequences follow you for a long time.
/r/MGTOW10/05/21 02:50 PM
65

LOL - you'd need to take payment in bitcoin and self-host everything. Once the news got out nobody would go anywhere near you, including all the banks/etc. Sure, it isn't ILLEGAL, but that won't stop every large company on the planet from blacklisting you.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/05/21 12:12 AM
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I think divorce incentive is a factor a lot of the time, but in this case I suspect in Bill Gates case it would have happened a lot sooner if that were the motivation. I think a big issue is just that ALL people change. That makes marriage hard to endure for most, even when everybody is well-intentioned. Stardusk did a pretty good talk about these recent billionaire divorces and the lessons to take from them, which I generally agree with.
/r/MGTOW07/05/21 06:41 PM
4

Yup, she isn't yours, it is just your turn. If you want to do the PUA thing and spin plates then being an alpha will greatly help with that. Just don't think that it changes the red pill itself, or makes marriage somehow non-broken.
/r/MGTOW207/05/21 12:47 PM
12

Really though there aren't ANY alphas that are alpha enough to make a woman value them for their own sake for decades. Just look at some of the celebrity divorces and so on. Alphas can naturally attract women, but even they can't make them stick around forever most of the time - certainly not reliably. Some get lucky but you can say the same of some betas. I don't think it is worth worry about who is an alpha and who is a beta - the game is rigged and you're probably going to lose either way. If…
/r/MGTOW207/05/21 11:58 AM
1

True, and it is expensive, but I guess he can afford it. Stardusk did a pretty good (albeit drawn out) video on this recently with Bill Gates. Sure, a divorce can cost one of these guys tens of billions of dollars, but that still leaves them with an insane amount of money. Really for these guys money is like playing a video game for score - ok, they lose some points but it isn't like they matter. Once you have more than a billion in the bank we're not longer talking about how big a mansion/jet/b…
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 10:01 PM
1

There you go, one more for you if you're into masochism... :)
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/05/21 11:42 AM
5

If you don't have the skill that comes through practice, then when that unicorn comes along, you wont get her. See, you'll be competing for that unicorn against men whose game is tight. They're going to be more interesting and attractive than you. If she is a unicorn she won't care. The other men with better game just are just helping filter out the rest. :) I'm not sure unicorns even exist. If not, no big deal. I'll stay single. I'm not interested in competing to get a woman. That is a game eve…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/05/21 04:41 PM
18

The PUA folks are right about how the game works. You don't have to play the game, but if you're going to play the game then you need to use your head or you're just going to get taken advantage of. I'm in the same camp - I have zero interest in spinning plates. If a unicorn happens to pop into my life, great, but the key is that you can't pretend that everybody else isn't playing the game around you. If you aren't going to play the game you need to protect yourself and acknowledge that you aren…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/05/21 12:06 PM
21

I think this shows you how men and women view/value sex differently. Sex is something that women can get anytime they want, so the physical act itself has little value/meaning to them. A guy might masturbate to porn to satisfy his biological urges, and a woman just does the same thing but with an actual man, because it is just as convenient for her. Obviously men have to work a lot harder to get sex unless they're a 9-10, and those men treat sex exactly the same way as most women do. For an aver…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/05/21 12:00 PM
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Yup. There are a few with high incomes with jobs, but they're generally jobs in family-founded businesses - like CEO of the company their father founded or whatever.
/r/MGTOW04/05/21 01:55 PM
1

Considering that Melinda complained for years to get her husband to clean dishes every day and to drive the kids to school. I think something was amiss for a long time. Since Bill Gates' time as a decision maker is so unfathomable expensive, from an economic standpoint him doing chores is unreasonable. So, I mostly agree, but not entirely. First, where I agree: The reality is that this is just a shit test. Women often measure up a man's investment in a relationship by how much time he puts into …
/r/MGTOW04/05/21 01:22 PM
2

Yikes, we're talking soda bottle territory. The guy can afford to spend as much time deliberating a million dollar expenditure as you can afford to spend whether to splurge on a soda machine purchase.
/r/MGTOW04/05/21 11:14 AM
1

Seems likely, but it is amazing that with billions in the bank that they couldn't reach a satisfying way to handle this. Not amazing in the sense that I'm in denial - just in the sense that it really is astonishing just how hard to please people are. You can have everything and in the twilight of your life your wife just won't be satisfied with the level of control she has over everything and will leave. This wasn't some short-term celebrity fling either, and they're both well-educated. As you p…
/r/MGTOW04/05/21 11:12 AM
43

Seriously. What is it that people always say to us? "Do you want to die alone?" The two of them could just do a few things they have in common together, maybe sleep with each other once in a while, do the family stuff, and neither one of them ever has to remotely think about doing a chore around the house. The home they live in is probably so large that if you didn't make plans to run into each other you could probably easily go an entire weekend without seeing the other person - it would be lik…
/r/MGTOW03/05/21 11:39 PM
18

Doubt a prenup matters after 25 years.
/r/MGTOW03/05/21 11:34 PM
25

How can you gripe about something like that when they probably literally have a maid following them around to dust every thing they so much as touch? Look, I generally say that money can't solve all your problems, but in his case I think I'd make an exception. He has an ungodly amount of money to throw at virtually any problem. The guy can drop a million dollars and it has about as much impact on his net worth as you buying a video game has on yours.
/r/MGTOW03/05/21 11:34 PM
3

Nobody feels bad for guys when this happens, so you gotta look you for yourself...
/r/MGTOW03/05/21 08:51 PM
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Julian Assanage was saying something similar until he ended up having to live in an office complex for a few years before being handed over into US custody. It is all fun and games until the girl changes her mind after the fact...
/r/MGTOW03/05/21 06:07 PM
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Oh, there are plenty of guys who would treat her the way she wants to be treated. The problem is that they're going to be WAY below her standards. She could dial up the age range she is looking at a LOT, or she could dial down expectations in terms of looks/income/etc. Like every other woman on the planet she wants to go after the same guys everybody else is going after, and those guys can make the rules any way they want to.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/04/21 02:37 PM
1

Sure, but women can get both of those easily and look how little it satisfies them. If you want a woman's ease of getting sex, you'd need to take a woman's sex drive with it. A woman is not satisfied by having Chad for a night and then having him disappear the next day, knowing he has 5 other women on the side. She'll keep saying yes, but she isn't happy about it. I think this is something that men can identify with a little in a different area. Many of us used to seek external validation, alway…
/r/MGTOW230/04/21 01:31 PM
4

That's where your money comes in...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/04/21 11:49 AM
1

Yup. My home is nothing exciting to look at, but it does the job and takes little effort to maintain. I spend time on the things I enjoy, not interior decorating.
/r/MGTOW229/04/21 11:56 PM
6

Certainly, but they were asked if they'd be willing to host an illegal immigrant, not whether they thought that there should be some nebulous government program to do so. They were explicitly saying that THEY would be willing to have them live in THEIR home. Of course they weren't serious. The culture wars have created a nation of performance artists.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/04/21 09:41 PM
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I think the woke people assumed that they could just put their righteousness on display and never have it actually impact their daily lives. We wouldn't have a homeless problem if people were actually willing to house people like this. Even for little kids it isn't like people are falling over themselves to host needy kids for free. Anybody can talk about how much they'd be willing to sacrifice to do the right thing. Actually DOING it is another matter.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/04/21 03:31 PM
23

I guess since everybody is into tribalism these days she is trying to hook you on her tribe? Simps who have iPhones?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/04/21 01:33 PM
21

Reminds me of that skit where they asked people if they'd be willing to host an illegal immigrant. Almost everybody said yes, and so they said, "hey, Gonzales, meet your new family!" Backpedaling immediately ensued...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/04/21 01:32 PM
1

Oh, I missed the CA connection. (doesn't matter if it is the state/country I guess - both are disaster zones for jurisprudence.) Really though talking to a bankruptcy lawyer, CPA, or some other expert on such things would make sense if you're ever in this much trouble. They might not give you the advice you want to hear, but they'll probably give you good advice. Money is a pretty objective topic, so they can tell you if you'll save more than you spend on fees/etc. Don't expect justice. You migh…
/r/MGTOW27/04/21 06:15 PM
2

Well, 30 years ago when I knew a lot of people studying it this was a very lucrative field. Six figure income right out of school with about the same responsibility as a manager at McDonalds. Obviously you had to be competent but it was a very predictable lifestyle/etc, compared to working in a business where things are constantly changing. Now, 30 years is a long time, and since then mail-order and chains have become huge factors. I'm sure the pharmacists have gotten squeezed. However, they're …
/r/MGTOW27/04/21 05:23 PM
1

Bankruptcy would save his house but not discharge student loan debt. Yes he can sue her for what he paid on college and garnish her wages over it. It's happening and men are winning these cases. I'm not sure if any of THIS debt even is considered student loan debt. That means he can get rid of it in bankruptcy, and if he sues her then she can get rid of the judgement in bankruptcy. If you take out an unsecured loan and use it for school that doesn't turn it into a student loan. The resistance to…
/r/MGTOW27/04/21 05:17 PM
2

I imagine you'd go out of your mind, but I haven't kept up. It used to pay REALLY well for the sort of work that it was. Granted, mail-order might have changed that. It seems a bit like working as a Walmart cashier for $120k/yr or something like that.
/r/MGTOW27/04/21 02:19 PM
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Yeah, it wasn't nearly as bad when I went to college but that was 25 years ago. You really have to think about stuff like this. Also, I will agree that simply HAVING a STEM degree isn't a meal ticket. Being GOOD at STEM is. The one CAN help with the other but it isn't a free ride. No doubt everybody has heard about IT outsourcing overseas. Well, the people losing their jobs are the people who had the credentials but were mediocre at best. You can't just coast at anything unless you're willing to…
/r/MGTOW27/04/21 02:05 PM
8

Doing FIRE as a single man in a decade starting at age 40 is a bit challenging but possible if you're reasonably serious about minimalism and have a six-figure job. FIRE as a man by age 55 is doable. Sure, if doing it by age 50 when starting at age 40 is doable, then doing it by age 55 with no constraints on when you start is very easy, even on a modest income. I was talking more about starting off so late. If you want to do it in 10 years you do need to be pretty serious about saving, and the m…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/04/21 02:00 PM
13

Yeah, it is a given that 99.9% of women are feminists. When they actually SAY they're a feminist then they're a whole different class of crazy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/04/21 12:47 PM
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Yeah, I loved the "planner" bit. Gonna start a family at age 40, and do FIRE by age 55. Doing FIRE as a single man in a decade starting at age 40 is a bit challenging but possible if you're reasonably serious about minimalism and have a six-figure job. Doing it while having 4 kids? Good luck with that. No doubt she wants to marry some guy who already has $2M in the bank. Even that amount of investments on top of owning your house would be pretty tight if you wanted to actually RE with 4 kids in …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/04/21 12:41 PM
5

Twice...
/r/MGTOW27/04/21 12:18 PM
1

Yup. I used to care a fair bit what critics said. I think that ended around the time of that Ghostbusters remake. Obviously it has been a trend for a long time but I feel like that was around when the whole industry REALLY jumped the shark, with recent movies just not even bothering with having a plot. I think the last movie I saw in a theater was that Apollo documentary. Anytime I look at recent movies they just look so cringey. Of course they all get great reviews. I just wish there were bette…
/r/MGTOW27/04/21 01:21 AM
3

Even trp and pua is all ultimately about being the man that women want. Exactly. If that is who YOU want to be then by all means enjoy the rewards that go with it. However, it is silly to spend huge amounts of time to shape yourself into somebody that everybody else likes. If you want to get into shape do it because that is what you want for yourself. Sure, you'll get a lot more attention from women that way as well, but it will never be worth it if they're the reason you're doing it.
/r/MGTOW26/04/21 05:43 PM
1

The only safest way is to reject marriage altogether, no marriage no need for a prenup. Besides, what is the point of a prenup anyway? Being able to participate in the divorce is 95% of the purpose of marriage. What else is left? If you don't want to give half your stuff to your spouse when you divorce, then why get married in the first place? People always say "but I want to have somebody who can make medical decisions if I'm unable to." Just go have a living will and medical power of attorney …
/r/MGTOW226/04/21 05:16 PM
1

This habit is bad, this hobby is not good, this job isn't good enough etc. Within reason this isn't actually a bad thing. The fact is that women are going to be taken care of if they don't amount to much. Men HAVE to fend for themselves. Now, I said "within reason." The key is that you need to be successful for your own sake. The problem is that hypergamy floats, and when you're doing it all to please somebody else then there will never be enough. As a man you absolutely must become the best ver…
/r/MGTOW226/04/21 01:39 PM
5

I now have to "import pickle as archive" in order to make her happy. Down this path lies madness. Oh, sure, now it is just this one quirk, but over time your code becomes incomprehensible to anybody who doesn't speak your local dialect of python.
/r/MGTOW26/04/21 01:09 PM
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I can't say I've read every comment but I didn't see this mentioned. As TFM often says, women use words like magic spells. That is, it isn't about what the words MEAN, it is about what effect the words HAVE. When you compliment somebody, it tends to make them like you, which will tend to get them to do things for you. Women naturally form social networks because it benefits them with survival. People will tend to help out women they know, and so women try to get to know EVERYBODY they think can …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/04/21 12:10 AM
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Even if he couldn't keep them he could always rent, but US Bankruptcy law is actually pretty reasonable as much as people on all sides like to complain about it. Student Loans are really the only exception and you can avoid that mess by not getting into them, not that most 18-year-olds have that much sense. The whole point of bankruptcy is that you can't get blood from a stone. It is better to have some kind of settlement where everybody gets something and somebody goes on working productively t…
/r/MGTOW25/04/21 12:13 PM
1

Well, in some places waters are stocked with fish, so it isn't so much fishing as inefficient farming, so it makes sense that you have to pay somebody to put the fish in the creek so that you can take them back out again. For anything involving a motor-powered boat it probably makes sense to have boat licenses since they pollute/etc and somebody has to clean that up, or maintain access in areas that require dredging/signage/etc. In general though I agree with you - I'm not a fan of taxing stuff …
/r/MGTOW25/04/21 11:25 AM
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Doubt she has anything worth taking. The money all went to the college, and they aren't going to be giving it back. Even if you succeed she'll just declare bankruptcy, which is what this guy should be doing in the first place.
/r/MGTOW25/04/21 11:16 AM
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He is employed and was able to get all that money in the first place. Getting a felony on your record makes zero sense. The debt is dischargeable in bankruptcy, so just talk to an attorney and get that sorted out. Yes, it is probably almost as unpleasant as a divorce but as with divorce once you're free from your past sins you can go on and build a life for yourself.
/r/MGTOW25/04/21 11:15 AM
8

Actually, that means it is dischargeable via bankruptcy either way. Obviously that isn't fun but it makes more sense than killing yourself over a past mistake.
/r/MGTOW25/04/21 11:14 AM
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I have no idea what else he can do after that though. Bankruptcy. Unless he was stupid enough to cosign student loans he can declare bankruptcy (and I'm not sure how the loans you cosign work - those might be dischargeable as well). He would have to sell anything of significant value not needed for basic living unless he took out a new loan to pay for those, but in general bankruptcy can reset most problems like these (as long as we're not talking about student loans). Really that is the whole p…
/r/MGTOW25/04/21 11:13 AM
3

Honestly, the US legal system is completely broken in basically all circumstances at this point. Maybe if you're a big company then it is the cost of doing business, or if you're the government on one side or the other (or both) then you can just bill it to the taxpayers. Women tend to get off lighter, but it still costs them money. For anybody else it is like being ground into powder by a millstone whether you win or lose. Sure, on this sub you're going to hear about it mostly in the context of…
/r/MGTOW225/04/21 12:32 AM
21

So, if he so much as touches her, he is probably going to get arrested. Yes, now he can prove that it was self-defense. In the meantime he loses his job and becomes unemployable for a good year or two while he is waiting for his court date to prove his innocence. After that he might still be unemployable. The court battle will cost him at least $10k. But, hey, after all that he has a good chance of being found innocent, so now he at least gets to be homeless on the street instead of being locked…
/r/MGTOW224/04/21 08:05 PM
2

Exactly - this is why I don't go anywhere near OLD. I'm nothing special to look at and I'm not interested in being somebody's ATM so there really isn't much I can put on a profile that would really stand out. I'm also different enough that most women are just not going to be interested me, nor me in them. It makes more sense to just do my thing, and if I happen to meet a woman where there is mutual interest that is great, and if not then that is fine too.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 12:52 PM
2

Exactly. They fall into this abundance trap. They have a bazillion emails from simps and they think that their problem is that they can't find a needle in the haystack full of guys she isn't interested in. So she starts acting like a banshee to drive off the simps and reduce the number of messages she gets. The problem is that the guys she is interested in are the FIRST ones to leave. She isn't getting rid of the hay to find the needle hidden inside. She is getting rid of the needles first and t…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 12:48 PM
2

Certainly STIs are a big risk with escorts, but trying to pick up a girl in a bar or whatever is probably an even higher risk. Really if you're MGTOW I am skeptical that there are a lot of low-risk options for sex. Most women who are open to having sex with a guy with zero interest in marriage are a lot more likely to have a high partner count. I think there are probably the exceptions out there, but they're going to be hard to find. There is no such thing as easy safe sex. Within that category …
/r/MGTOW23/04/21 12:14 PM
1

That's the thing though - people think Scandanavia is something that it isn't. First, they have a lot of problems that nobody talks about. When was the last time you had a hand grenade attack in your town? Second, their welfare/etc system is WAY tighter than what we have in the US. Yes, they have various benefits programs, but they don't just let people leach off of them unless they are seriously disabled or something. They have an expectation of gainful employment and educational attainment (wh…
/r/MGTOW22/04/21 01:57 PM
2

Well, it does and it doesn't. The issue is effort and reward. For a big porn star you can take one photo and sell it a bazillion times, so that is a huge payoff. For the girl next door she might be lucky to get a couple of guys to give her $5 for her entire collection. It is basically the problem with the entertainment industry in general. You have a few people that make tons, and most people are on food stamps. OF is really no different. Taking pictures isn't much work, but if nobody buys them …
/r/MGTOW22/04/21 01:50 PM
2

I think all the identity politics is a sideshow so that they can play games with monetary policy and so on. Keep all the peasants fighting over race because Coke is just as happy to sell you a BLM-edition soda can as a traditional-values soda can. The problem is that this stuff is potentially going to go off the rails and that is where it will get messy. Also, all this money printing will be a problem eventually. The wealthy can just retreat to their islands and so on, which I think is the plan.…
/r/MGTOW22/04/21 01:46 PM
2

The useful idiots sometimes aren't always useful. Everybody talks in terms of R's and D's but reality is more complex. Romney and Trump might both have an R next to them but they're WAY different (heck, Trump had a D for most of his life). Likewise there is a big difference between Pelosi and AOC. There are lots of uneasy coalitions, but the ruling one right now looks a lot more like Romney+Pelosi. Both have their useful idiots and are trying to get their votes and spin the narrative the way the…
/r/MGTOW22/04/21 01:43 PM
1

It isn't actually unreasonable. All of society used to function just fine this way. Women raised kids, did basic work around the house, and kept their husbands happy. Husbands went to work and came home and enjoyed time with the family. Women were upset about not being treated the same as men and demanded to basically be men. It turns out that most women aren't very good at it, and probably never will be. That just isn't how they were built. Maybe if we weren't sexually dimorphic then everybody …
/r/MGTOW22/04/21 01:40 PM
2

I'm not so sure about that. For most women having Chad is about the tingles and the social status/etc that comes from being associated with him. As it is Chad doesn't treat them as well as they feel like they deserve. When Chad just walks in and snaps his fingers I can't imagine that is what they're looking for. They won't have any special status - they'll basically be housed like cattle and worked when they aren't lying on their backs. Plus all but maybe the best of them will probably be lent o…
/r/MGTOW22/04/21 12:37 PM
2

Yeah, even if you're a survivalist type I think that your best bet would be bugging out REALLY far into the middle of nowhere. For six months anyplace even resembling a town will be Mad Max. After that things will settle down a bit and you're either going to be a warlord/soldier, or a producer. That model breaks down when the population density drops enough as the warlord doesn't want to go scouring through the tundra for slaves. Plus if you want to be a loner you are going to need a fair bit of…
/r/MGTOW22/04/21 12:31 PM
2

30 years ago they were in theater. Now they're YouTube creators. Even the non-Onlyfans ones can be pretty desperate to try to turn it into some kind of career. I saw somebody with 1000 subs get all excited to be monetized and they were begging their viewers to watch all the ads all the way through since they get more money that way. As I understand it YouTube videos earn something like $1 per 1000 views, so they're literally begging you to watch minutes of ads all the way through so that they ca…
/r/MGTOW22/04/21 12:23 PM
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Well, the pandemic probably contributed quite a bit. There will always be women selling themselves. However, when money/gifts/etc are in shorter supply that is when you see the girl next door selling every photo they can take of themselves for $10.
/r/MGTOW22/04/21 12:06 PM
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Don't lesbian couples have the highest divorce rates? I heard gay men have the lowest. Really though brining the state into your relationship problems is just throwing napalm on a fire. If others want to play that game more power to them.
/r/MGTOW22/04/21 12:00 PM
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Meh, if it was a domestic and they were just beating each other up, at that point I'd just say, "y'all have a nice day!"
/r/MGTOW22/04/21 11:56 AM
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Sure, and as long as the cash keeps flowing they'll stick around. As soon as the wife finds out, then the cash probably won't keep flowing unless the guys super-rich and can afford to keep them all happy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/04/21 07:08 PM
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He does - subbed. Granted, it is mostly stuff you avoid by being MGTOW but anybody who puts out 2-3 min videos has to have have a decent signal-to-noise ratio.
/r/MGTOW20/04/21 01:18 PM
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That is why it will never happen. The one thing that both tradcons and SJWs can agree on is that women on low incomes should keep pumping out those kids...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/04/21 07:47 PM
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That isn't a bad idea - that would be way cheaper than even a single kid, and probably no more expensive than the surgery itself. Sterilization is the sort of thing that pays for itself because the amount of money an unplanned pregnancy can cost society is astronomical. Heck, just the tax exemptions are something like $2k/yr for 18 years, but let's not kid ourselves because most of these kids are driving EIC, free healthcare, school lunches, school itself (which is treated as daycare basically w…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/04/21 01:31 PM
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Well, even if you transfer it from there to a private wallet you're still in the same boat, because they're going to maintain records for some period of time, and the bank will record you sending the money there. The court can effectively take your bitcoin even if you destroy the only copy of your wallet/account key. Of course they can't take the money directly, but they can just order you to hand it over, take an equivalent value of everything else you own, or lock you up until you comply. If y…
/r/MGTOW17/04/21 08:37 PM
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I am not talking about the things he hasn't said. I'm talking about the things he has said elsewhere in the discussion, like this thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/ms4ny6/married_mgtow/gushzxh/
/r/MGTOW17/04/21 10:34 AM
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Sure, but you still have to be aware of this so that you don't leave a paper trail leading someplace else. I think there are a lot of people who think that courts just are going to give up if crypto is involved, and just do direct transfers to coinbase, and they will get screwed in any situation like this.
/r/MGTOW17/04/21 10:33 AM
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Honestly, I don't see the downside here. If your concern is politics, then the status quo basically ensures that the vast majority of births will happen to the least responsible parents. I suspect the people you're concerned about ending up having all the kids are the ones already having all the kids. However, I do think most conservatives will share your reaction, which is just one more reason the crazy train has no brakes. We're just going to spend more and more on prisons for children of sing…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/04/21 10:31 AM
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Start siphoning money towards cryptocurrency. As far as i know, the court system can't touch that. It depends on what you mean by "touch." If the court knows you have crypto, and thinks they know how much you have, then they absolutely can consider that a marital asset and have it split, at least as far as the order goes. Now, technologically the government may or may not be able to enforce that order. If you have the money in a private wallet and they can't get access to the wallet key (in unen…
/r/MGTOW17/04/21 12:14 AM
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Yup, but you still have to be smart about it, because unexplained cash withdraws are going to be asked about. Ideally if you've been doing this for a long time a little at a time and not putting it all in one place then they can't find all of it, and you can just disclose the bits you need to. If they only go back 12mo and you finished stashing further back than that then you might not get any questions at all. Bottom line is that planning ahead helps.
/r/MGTOW17/04/21 12:01 AM
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Yup, but this all started a year ago, and it sounds like he has done nothing while she's been aware of where this is going all this time. It is possible she will just go along with it for a decade. Heck, it is possible that even works out better for her - if she was cheating on him there is a pretty good chance she has already gotten legal advice. Maybe in her state if she runs the clock that long she gets lifetime alimony or whatever. If you're in a situation like this, even if you don't plan t…
/r/MGTOW16/04/21 11:59 PM
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Yup. If she pulls the trigger the first he will know is when he is served papers at work, is told he can't go near the house due to a protection order, and finds that all the bank accounts are empty. That is if she is only somewhat hard on him. The other possibility is that he comes home and finds her already with injuries and the police show up 5min later because she called them as he was pulling in the driveway. She has a story, he's confused, and now he's in jail fighting criminal charges wit…
/r/MGTOW16/04/21 11:56 PM
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The only reason you're bringing on intelligence now, is because you've had your fun, now you need a high income beta simp to pay your student loans off, or whatever. Gotta get that money baby. That might be it. Or maybe they just want to project a certain image to their family/friends. They post stuff on Twitter all the time virtue-signaling. Then they go and do the exact opposite. They want the moral supremacy that comes with claiming to value intelligence. They don't want to actually go anywhe…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/04/21 08:02 PM
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Didn't see anybody mention this, but even in the bottom frame the guy she is with is tall, dark, and handsome. That is her idea of "settling." She isn't going to settle for an average guy until she looks like a prune.
/r/MGTOW16/04/21 02:08 PM
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Sure, and the general culture made it so shameful to be a single mother that women didn't just run around having kids all over the place. They disincentivized childbirth outside of marriage. Sure, it still existed and had to be dealt with, but dealing with a problem that impacts 0.01% of children born is a way different issue than dealing with a problem that impacts 50% of children born. Really though all of this is a pipe dream. Nobody is going to prevent anybody from having all the kids they w…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/04/21 11:49 AM
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There was certainly some automation in the 1700s, but I don't think it really hit farms so dramatically until the late 1800s or so. Things like milking cows and picking eggs and so on were done by hand, and those jobs can be done by children. Until fairly recently 50% of the population were farmers, and much of that labor was low-skill manual labor. This was perfect for children. I do agree that marriage does go back even further than that, and child labor isn't the only component. I do think th…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/04/21 11:45 AM
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Sure, it is one factor. However, if you were that attractive it seems unlikely your wife would be taking the risk in the first place. Most guys who end up in this situation are average in looks at best. They're not going to have women lining up for them. The wife, however, will be able to have sex anytime she wants just by spreading her legs.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/04/21 12:07 AM
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I think that is probably the ancient background of marriage. An alpha leader in a tribe somewhere had all the women, and realized that he could get the betas in the tribe to work harder if he awarded them wives in exchange for their loyalty/etc. It went from a hard patriarchy to a softer one, but the alpha was rewarded because he got productivity and not just sex (and he probably still had more sex than he knew what to do with - how many women do you really need in your harem?).
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 05:38 PM
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Yup - it is like weeds in the back yard - as long as they have sunlight and rain or whatever, they keep growing. She has no reason to change as long as people keep bailing her out.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 05:35 PM
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Or if you feel bad about letting kids die, then sterilize them (reversibly) before puberty. Our society treats reproduction as some kind of sacred right, but rights only work if they come with matching responsibilities. When children are involved we are just never willing to hold women accountable, and to be fair it wasn't the child's choice that resulted in them ending up in this situation. IMO the lesser evil is to just require people to demonstrate some level of responsibility before they can…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/04/21 02:08 PM
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That, and cancel culture, because basically anybody who has a job just keeps their mouth shut and let the leftists dominate social media. Sure, you get anonymous forums like this one, but I'd never go voicing opinions like these with people I know, because sooner or later one of them will out me on Twitter, and now I'm broke. It sucks, but the crazy train has no brakes.
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 01:55 PM
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Men may either work “voluntarily” for their wives, or involuntarily for their state/corporation/feudal lord. Either way the money MUST flow up. True, but a factor here is competition. There is a reason this model failed - it isn't as productive. The USSR failed, and feudalism failed before that. The problem is that slaves don't work as hard as free men do, if these men have something to live for. You can beat the slaves as much as they want, but if another country sets its men free it will great…
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 01:53 PM
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If they all quit chasing that impossible dream, literally everything would just stop. (Government, utilities, logistics... everything with a J.O.B.) This is also why marriage is a universal custom globally. Society is fueled by beta bucks. Marriage is a huge enabler of this. So, any culture that has a strong tradition of marriage will outperform a culture that doesn't. Maybe being a plantation worker isn't fun, but that plantation still turns out a TON of cotton/tobacco/whatever. We've started d…
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 12:43 PM
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Maybe with women and their appearance something like this is more obvious, but I've been interacting with some younger guys online and they're pretty indoctrinated as well. They just don't dye their hair green.
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 11:48 AM
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If you are friends with a woman, ask them if they "know somebody" who was an "unreported victim of rape." I guarantee they do - most likely she is thinking of herself but she may or may not admit that part. Hence every woman knows that it is widespread. Now, if you pressed them for the details and we pretend that she didn't just accuse you of misogyny, then you'd find out that it was some guy she slept with who turned out to not be Mr Right. Maybe he lied or mislead her, or maybe not. A lot of t…
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 11:36 AM
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The judicial system is pretty terrible for ruining lives on nothing more than a story, but it is still a massive step up from trial by public opinion. The police actually do some kind of investigation, which at least some of the time detects BS. It is a crime to file a false police report. A jury is at least instructed about reasonable doubt and will be forced to listen to the accused's version of the story and any evidence they can provide in their defense.
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 11:27 AM
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I think this is a big part of it. I think a LOT of women have this story in the back of her head that she WANTS to call rape, but she knows if she went public with it people would look like her like she is crazy and generally shun her. So, in their mind most rape stories go unreported, because they all know in their hearts that they are unreported rape victims. I knew a woman who a long time into a relationship had commented about somebody she knew who had "raped her." The story was always vague…
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 11:14 AM
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More like double virtue signal. If bullets start flying at best she is going to be stampeding in a random direction, but if the question of meat shields come up you know she is going to be looking to stand behind anybody she can find. She definitely won't be marching to the front of the line towards the fire.
/r/MGTOW15/04/21 11:04 AM
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Meh, be whoever you want to be, and if that guy isn't what she is interested in, then don't waste your time with her. I'm not going to let some crazy girl dictate my personality...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/04/21 01:03 PM
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The other problem is that her "type" just doesn't even exist. Look, I'm all for the idea that people complement each other so you shouldn't date somebody just like you. That sounds great on paper, but it doesn't actually work that way. If she was more plain and wanted somebody more exciting that would be fine. The problem is that she wants a guy who is unobtainable; she wants a guy who will not be loyal to her, but she wants him to be exclusively hers. She wants a Chad who will commit, and of co…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/04/21 01:02 PM
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The reviews on that are just gold. It is one thing the tradcons and SJWs can agree on: we don't need apps like this - just blame the men for doing it wrong! Don't these guys getting falsely accused of rape know that all they had to do is just stop raping people?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/04/21 12:50 PM
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I think this post actually explains it. This girl feels bad about turning guys down. She has three guys to deal with and is upset about having to turn one down. On a regular dating app she'd have hundreds of guys contacting her every day, and now she feels like she has to reject 99% of them. So, the purpose of the dating service is to get rid of the losers who don't have good jobs/etc so that all that are left are the 0.1% of losers who do have good jobs/etc. She is still wasting her money thoug…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/04/21 12:47 PM
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If women behaved this way I'd actually WANT to date them in the first place. I don't want to jump through a million hoops just to get into a relationship with a woman, just so that anytime she is feeling upset I can jump through a million hoops to get her to come out and say what she is upset about. The whole thing is just massive attention-seeking behavior.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/04/21 12:44 PM
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He has given her exactly what they all claim to want, a "nice guy" and the reality is that she is not attracted to "nice guys". He is doing nothing to build sexual tension and she has zero sexual interest. This is why I have zero interest in actively pursuing women. 99.99% of them are just like this, and I really don't care to jump through hoops to game them to get them all excited. I kind of like being the "nice guy" but in the sense of live and let live and not being a doormat. I can see how t…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/04/21 12:41 PM
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Typically when wives seek an open relationship status they seek agreement to ground rules like "this is about physical sex only - we're not going to get emotionally/financially/etc involved." I mean, EVERY married guy is free to do what he wants. Most live within the parameters they negotiate with their wife. When their wives find this non-beneficial they just initiate a divorce. I've been married over 10 years and I still don't have a joint bank account and we split bills. So, what is the point…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/04/21 10:41 AM
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I don't think the media can shape culture nearly as much as you suggest. I think it largely reflects culture. Sure, it can push, but only so much. Marriage was definitely not just something for the wealthy during the industrial revolution. Sure, if you go back further than that I'm not sure how much people even bothered to marry in the lower classes, but being able to own children was a big cash cow.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/04/21 05:01 PM
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That sounds nice on paper, but I think you're describing 0.001% of women. They aren't going to want to sleep with some completely average guy just because it is going to piss off his wife. Sure, if you're in the top 5-10% of guys in attractiveness then an open marriage completely works for you, though why you'd get married in the first place is beyond me, as women are going to stick around even if you don't marry them, at least long enough for you to find 10 more plates to spin. For the average …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/04/21 03:54 PM
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I did read the story. Hence the reason I said, "My comment was just more around why open relationships generally don't work for men." I didn't say they NEVER work for men. I said they generally don't work for men. 90% of the time the story doesn't turn out this way. Ok, maybe there is that one guy somewhere who got lucky. If that is what you're hoping for just go buy lottery tickets as the downside is just wasting a little money.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/04/21 03:51 PM
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Well, the winning move today is not to play the game. If for some reason you're in the game then obviously you do what you can to get the least-worst outcome. I just don't want anybody to think that they can just avoid no-fault divorce and somehow make marriage a reasonable decision. If the letter of the law requires the judge to award 90% of the money and custody and support payments to the father, the judge is going to be looking for every excuse they can not to do that. You're basically playi…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/04/21 03:50 PM
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Nah, man. Grand parents were married until death did then part. It's not a fantasy, it's attainable. You're just seeing cultural inertia. No-fault divorce didn't exist because families were serious business 150 years ago. Family stopped being serious business maybe 60-100 years ago. The cultural norms lingered on because everybody remembered how things were when they grew up. The laws started to change, and the cultural norms changed, and now we are where we are. I believe that women practice hy…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/04/21 03:47 PM
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For men it means the chance to find some one to love and some one in which they can be needed by and who can be dependant on. Sure, but what is in it for the woman he wants to have this relationship with? His wife won't let him spend money on this woman, so he has little to offer her. Unless this man is super-attractive he has nothing to offer a woman who is not his wife. He can't pay her, and she can find better men for casual sex.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/04/21 03:00 PM
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Very true. Even men like Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise can't make a marriage last. However, at least those guys would do just fine in an open relationship. My comment was just more around why open relationships generally don't work for men. The woman just has to spread her legs and guys will line up to have a "relationship" with her. The man can't do that - he needs to offer things in a relationship which he can't offer while he is still married, even if the marriage is "open." An open marriage just …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/04/21 01:58 PM
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That was a genuine relationship. That was the whole point of marriage. Loving who you're with because they aren't selfish and make you happy. Maybe in some idealized fantasy about the past. I think in practice the main point of marriage was having access to a large number of children who could work on the farm at age 8 and turn a profit. That is why everything started to change once automation made low-skill labor a minor component of the workforce. Marriage is like Mothers Against Drunk Driving…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/04/21 01:54 PM
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I didn't see anybody comment on this little bit: Nothing was wrong in our marriage and i still don’t know why i had those feelings for that guy. I might be insecure in myself. She says this as if feelings were reason, and as if having those feelings somehow made it logical that she act on them. This is just the natural result of giving people agency without responsibility. They end up following their feelings. I slept with that guy because of how I felt - as if just doing whatever you feel like …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/04/21 12:44 PM
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Conversely, saying "yes" is also pointless. I dunno - tactically it seems like the wiser move. Usually the first to file for divorce has a lot of advantages (like being able to clean out the bank accounts, get the other person locked up depending on their gender, and so on). So, just being concerned, talking it out, and in the end just telling your wife that you "want her to be happy" or whatever is probably the best bet. Then she thinks she is secure and won't do anything that YOU will regret. …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/04/21 12:39 PM
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Sure, but how likely is a family court to actually let you do this? Or are you going to spend a fortune on PIs, legal arguments, and so on, and in the end the judge just says that no-fault would be better for reasons and so you're right where you started?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/04/21 12:35 PM
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That is REALLY unusual though. Most men attract women through beta bucks. A married man has no bucks to offer. If the guy is SUPER-attractive then an open relationship would work for him. However, it seems like if a woman has managed to lock down a guy like this the last thing she would want to do is let him off the leash.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/04/21 12:33 PM
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Poor guys need it just as much. Having a kid when poor is more than likely going to keep them poor forever. Poor guys just aren't good at appreciating the long-term risks and benefits of a vasectomy vs not having one. That's probably part of why they're poor. Yes, I get it that they aren't free. I'm sure that if you do the cost/benefit analysis they're cheaper than not having one while being sexually active. If you're really going to go monk, fine, but if not you should get snipped...
/r/MGTOW09/04/21 11:55 AM
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Honestly, I don't get the point in playing it on easy anyway. I've only played part of the first Dark Souls, but it seems to basically have next to no story, so it seems like the gameplay is the entire reason to play it. With a game that is more story-driven having an easy mode makes sense, since some players will be more attracted to the storytelling/etc. Or there are games where half the fun is min/maxing the stats and so on (like old-school D&D-type games - though many of those are turn-based…
/r/MGTOW08/04/21 12:04 PM
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I mean, I was basically Mr Six Figure man, and I had a very modest house in the burbs. With a 30yr mortgage you can get something adequate for a family. No, it won't be as large as what your coworkers have by being in debt up to their eyeballs, but it is functional. However, I was driving around a 5-10 year old car most of the time, and most of the money went into the necessities of life. We occasionally did vacations, but they tended to be cheap and involve driving. However, this was definitely…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/04/21 06:48 PM
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While it is a natural pairing to some extent, I'm not sure that the issues are any less. Unless you're dating a 16 year old just about any girl is going to have some LTR history. The question is whether she has dealt with it. If I am dating a woman I'm not going to expect her to pretend that I'm the first guy who ever truly interested her. I'm not going to mind if she talks about something she did with an ex, especially one who is deceased. The question is whether she is present in the current r…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/04/21 06:44 PM
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the body cam footage from before floyd's death shows the cops were EXTREMELY restrained, a solid 30 min That's the thing. Any time you want to do a serious analysis you need to look at everything. There is no way that even a well-intentioned news outlet is going to show 30min of footage of anything. Heck, if it were the first moon landing they'd shorten it except for the live broadcast. Sometimes you really only can get the context from going through EVERYTHING. And watching something like this …
/r/MGTOW06/04/21 06:02 PM
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Well, "full price" these days is a bad deal for ANY relationship, but I get your point.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/04/21 12:43 PM
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Certainly true that widows can have baggage, but that is true of anybody really. They could be alpha widowed - you certainly need to be careful. In general though you can't fault them for this particular state of affairs. Sure, it is a reason to be careful, but it isn't for anything wrong they've done.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/04/21 12:19 AM
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Yeah, it is a legal fiction to be sure. The problem seems to be women eating their own BS. This is like having one of those websites where they sell commemorative team hats for $500, and as a courtesy to customers they include a free ticket to the upcoming big sold-out game to anybody who buys one. Imagine if they just shipped you a hat and included a note saying that they'd run out of tickets but thanks for buying the hat. All that said I don't see any problem with having reasonable standards. …
/r/MGTOW05/04/21 11:51 AM
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Yeah, I'm at a point where I could pay the mortgage, but having access to money buys options, and my mortgage rate is low enough that it isn't a clear choice. Granted, with interest rates being where they are it is more tempting now, and I'll admit the market makes me nervous, but it isn't like a 30-50% drop would actually do anything to me short-term. On the one hand I think about what I'd do with more time, but on the other hand I see I struggle to use all my vacation time as it is - I can be …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/04/21 11:42 AM
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They can have their fun. I'm just glad I can go to bed at night and not worry about making my next mortgage payment if I lose my job. For a while I was supporting my wife and two stepchildren as the sole earner (or close to it). We were living modestly but I definitely worried about what would happen if I lost my job. Now I am saving around half my income, and if I do make a discretionary purchase it just means that I'm only saving maybe 30% of my income that month. I see a lot of people out the…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/04/21 03:01 AM
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Almost invariably the lifestyle they want can only be accessed by a man who makes six figures I haven't watched that show and can't vouch for the details of what is on it, but in my experience the sorts of lifestyles women concerned with such things want require way more than $100k/yr in income. Technically $900k/yr is also "six figures" but there is a world of difference. Maybe 10% of men make $100k/yr, but these women often want $300k/yr lifestyles, and that is going to be a significantly smal…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/04/21 11:08 PM
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Yeah, a LOT of women use words like magic spells - they say what it takes to get the immediate results they desire. This isn't just true of women, but as with many things there tend to be fewer negative consequences for them doing it, so they tend to do it a lot more. They also tend to react far more negatively collectively to efforts to investigate the truthfulness of things they say or impose consequences. BelieveAll and all that.
/r/MGTOW04/04/21 11:55 AM
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Plus... her friends & family who will defend her, no matter what she does. Plus... YOUR friends & family, who will also defend her, no matter what she does...
/r/MGTOW04/04/21 03:35 AM
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Sure, but that is for their children. I'm talking about for a partner, assuming the technology ever exists to grow one up quickly. Of course I can only imagine what employers would do with that. However, sperm banks are a great example of hypergamy in action. I think Stardusk once interviewed somebody who works with a sperm bank (maybe it was somebody else), and they said that women were EXTREMELY picky when it came to sperm donors. There might be some variation as to whether they wanted brown e…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/04/21 12:11 PM
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Easy to believe: they're a different type of hoe in each season. They're hoes with a short attention span.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/04/21 01:34 AM
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Man, I dread the thought of when genetic engineering gets to the point where they can just order up exactly what they want...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/04/21 01:34 AM
1

You probably just use whatever piece of flab you can find, just as with a real one.
/r/MGTOW02/04/21 03:56 PM
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That's the nature of choices - they're exclusive by nature. If you have 1-2 non-negotiables/etc then that isn't a problem. However, if you have a list then it is a problem, especially when multiple items on that list are uncommon. If you're a camgirl but are content to date anybody who doesn't mind camgirls, you probably will be able to find a date. Sure, maybe you're excluding 80% of the men, but 20% is still a lot of men. However, if you want a guy who is attractive, with a decent income, who …
/r/MGTOW02/04/21 03:54 PM
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Exactly. You invest in people because you HAVE a relationship, not because you WANT to have a relationship with them. The latter is basically hiring an escort. It actually applies in lots of spaces. I'm pretty fussy with things like Patreon/etc contributions when they're oriented around gaining access to some kind of community or interaction with the person getting paid. I'm all for supporting people who do things I like, but the idea of paying somebody to pretend to be interested in me who othe…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/04/21 01:46 AM
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This whole comment thread is making me depressed like dating is just a game to everyone Well, I think an issue is that the people who are serious and practical end up finding somebody and selecting themselves out of the dating pool. I suspect that the people just playing games intentionally are a minority, but of course they're going to be swarming over in FDS (and PUA forums as well). I suspect most women intend to be serious, but have unreasonable standards. Not being treated to dinner isn't a…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/04/21 01:40 AM
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Don't worry, I'm sure you'll be given the opportunity to create SMART objectives before every vacation, to be submitted for her approval of course. Before ghosting you she will first give you an opportunity to create a Performance Improvement Plan on A3 paper. If you're really delighting her she'll even buy you a birthday gift using your joint credit card!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/04/21 01:21 AM
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Exactly. It doesn't matter what you're looking for in a relationship - investing heavily in a first date with a complete stranger makes no sense. If you're looking for sex, you have no idea if she's going to want sex with you. If you're looking for somebody who can hold a conversation, you have no idea if you're going to be bored out of your mind the whole meal. If you're looking for somebody interested in an LTR with conservative values, for all you know she's just there for the food and will b…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/04/21 01:17 AM
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I feel all it needs to be is a foundation to build upon. But I’m sure my house will look different than yours in the end. This is part of why MGTOW find it so hard to get away from "talking about women" or whatever. The fact is that we're all on different journeys to different places. We have more in common with where we started than where we're going. Hence, our conversations tend to be anchored more in the past. Sure, there are some abstract principles that we tend to share moving forward, but…
/r/MGTOW201/04/21 07:28 PM
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Maybe it is regional or something. I've never seen it available. In any case, sorting out the drinking situation is the least of the difficulties. My oddities in drinking habits are nothing compared to the rest of my oddities, so there is probably a 98% chance that any particular woman would not be interested in me for anything but a bailout, and I'm not into those any longer...
/r/MGTOW201/04/21 07:10 PM
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I've never seen a Starbucks that serves soda/etc. I guess you could get water. Really though I couldn't see meeting up with somebody in this way. I would probably only date somebody after I've already known them for some time elsewhere. It just seems like such a waste of time as I'd think that maybe 5% of randomly-selected women would even remotely be likely to have something in common with me...
/r/MGTOW201/04/21 06:54 PM
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It isn't even commitment, but things that bring the state into it. If you want to be in a monogamous long-term relationship with a woman there is nothing wrong with that. You do need to be aware of female nature, and that it often doesn't work out. However, there is nothing wrong with entering into such a relationship for as long as it is mutually beneficial. The problem with dragging the state into it is that this rapidly becomes non-mutually-beneficial and very much to the man's disadvantage.
/r/MGTOW201/04/21 05:58 PM
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Don’t get too close, don’t get anyone pregnant, no cohabitation, no marriage, make sure you’ve got something to back you up in case you get me tooed. Congrats - you just described MGTOW. Not sure what the OP was going on about with having nothing to do with women. You can of course do that, but it is hardly central to MGTOW. I think one of the problems right now is that MGTOW has a bit of an identity crisis with everybody trying to pull it in their own direction. The simplicity of not marrying o…
/r/MGTOW201/04/21 05:56 PM
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One thing I don't like about that approach is, well, I don't drink coffee, and those places never serve anything else. So, I guess it means staring at somebody else drink coffee. :)
/r/MGTOW201/04/21 05:29 PM
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Well, sure, that would make sense. Good luck though finding a woman to go along with that. That is roughly my attitude towards dating though. I have nothing against having relationships, but they're going to have to be on fairly level terms with give and take. And her end of the bargain can't just be looking pretty or being the damsel in distress...
/r/MGTOW201/04/21 04:43 PM
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I assume that was before. If the charges really were dismissed they can't keep her under house arrest.
/r/MGTOW31/03/21 01:48 AM
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I suspect it means man with money, but who doesn't spend it all on her. Of course, if the man wanted to spend money hand over fist he could just hire a model...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/03/21 06:43 PM
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"Today, the school is contacting parents to explain the reasons behind the assembly and to ensure that any student who requires support is aware that it is available." Hey, if any boys feel traumatized we can arrange for a psychologist to further explain their problems with toxic masculinity. I imagine that the people doing the support will be the ones who came up with making the boys apologize in the first place...
/r/MGTOW30/03/21 05:25 PM
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I don't know the details on that rental law, but I do know that Hawaii has some interesting history in that area. The livable land area is pretty limited, and at some point in the past there were a fairly small number of property owners who controlled all the rents. That lead to a lot of laws that you don't find elsewhere. Ultimately though you can't fix the problem that there isn't a lot of space, so you're going to end up with really messy laws around property.
/r/MGTOW230/03/21 01:56 AM
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Yeah, the problem here will be selective prosecution. Woman does it, no big deal. Man does it, well, we have laws for that... Just don't get involved in a relationship where money is involved. No marriage, and no cohabitation.
/r/MGTOW230/03/21 01:52 AM
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Women voters chose factors that provide security at present. Men voters chose factors that can develop the nation. Agree, but I've heard it phrased another way: men tend to focus on production, and women tend to focus on distribution. It tends to make sense, since historically men were out there hunting or working and so on, while women tended to be raising a whole bunch of children. The guy brought home the big side of meat, and the woman made sure that each kid got enough to eat. You do need a…
/r/MGTOW30/03/21 01:08 AM
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That was my first thought - no way there would be "minutes" in-between. And let's not forget toilet breaks unless she was doing that while "staying productive." Ick.
/r/MGTOW29/03/21 10:23 PM
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Marriage, commitment, cohabitation, is no longer my goal (which was for most of my life). And that is all MGTOW is. I wouldn't even lump commitment there. Marriage and cohabitation tend to be the strict definition of MGTOW if you can say there is one. Of course, the term isn't trademarked, so you'll find all sorts of opinions. I'd lump in having kids as well, but I guess it was left out of the common definition because people just take that as a given. The reason marriage and cohabitation are re…
/r/MGTOW229/03/21 09:23 PM
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So, in other words, you're MGTOW? Unless you're telling me you actually plan on getting married, which doesn't sound like "accommodating them on [your] own terms." People dump a lot of baggage on MGTOW but ultimately this is all it is. Nobody says you can't have long-term relationships with women if you're MGTOW - at least nobody outside of some rage-oriented channels. Look at huMAN - he seems very interested in pursuing meaningful relationships, but he acknowledges that they can be hard to find…
/r/MGTOW229/03/21 01:58 PM
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Hard to say if it will actually happen. Certainly you should be bookmarking alt sites and using them. However, the whole quarantine system of controlled opposition might be something they're willing to play the long game on. If everybody goes to another site they lose all control. If everybody stays here they can prod us to shape the narrative, and do things like ensuring posts don't hit the front page and so on. That is certainly the smart move for them to make. Of course, the left has basicall…
/r/MGTOW229/03/21 01:03 PM
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They have no understanding that social and legal standards fuel MGTOW growth, not misogyny. Well, of course, because that would mean that THEY are part of the problem. Yikes - responsibility is one of those things you don't want to touch even with a 10ft pole. The beatings will continue until morale improves...
/r/MGTOW229/03/21 01:01 PM
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If she is sexual interested, she won't love you, she love this projection, this Mr Grey's... Stardusk did a good talk about this. Women have this idea of the perfect guy, and every guy she dates is basically auditioning for the role. What she doesn't know about you gets molded by her imagination to be the perfect guy. So, if you're tall she imagines you're good at playing basketball if she is into basketball players. That works until one day she sees you playing basketball with your friends. At …
/r/MGTOW226/03/21 02:07 AM
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Yup, if you play your cards right your odds can be as good as Russian Roulette!
/r/MGTOW226/03/21 02:04 AM
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If guys are just blasting her in DMs with no provocation, then she has a right to be offended. I view that as being highly unlikely. This is the internet - I'm sure it is very likely. There are all kinds of crazy people online. One problem with ANY of these forums is that there is a tendency to think that the most outrageous behavior is representative of the whole. I'm MGTOW, but not because I think that all women are out to get me all the time. It is just that there is no benefit to me to get m…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/03/21 01:05 PM
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I use IG and FB, but the only things I post are my photography, and the only people I follow are people I know. I NEVER comment or post about politics, news, etc. If you just use them to stay in touch with people you have actual relationships with they're fine. Anybody is welcome to look at my photography, and I don't mind interacting with them, but it isn't like I follow back random strangers just because they follow me. If I interact enough with somebody that I'd consider it a light friendship…
/r/MGTOW220/03/21 02:50 PM
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So, if the airline isn't properly maintaining aircraft that obviously needs to be remedied. However, just because an engine fails doesn't mean that it wasn't maintained properly. A well-maintained engine has a very small chance of failure on every flight, and that is why pilots routinely train for engine out scenarios. Single engine failures happen all the time - they're really only noteworthy when they fail in a way they're not supposed to, like an uncontained failure. The risk is low per-fligh…
/r/MGTOW17/03/21 12:51 AM
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It is just biology. I agree with you completely, but it is completely understandable. As far as your genes are concerned your personality, intelligence, talent, etc are all just accessories to help you father more children. I was just pruning some plants and thinking about really the only thing the plants care about is getting those flowers/seeds/etc to grow and spread. They have no brains - they just grow so that they can churn out seeds, so that more plants will grow. This is just the way of l…
/r/MGTOW216/03/21 06:53 PM
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I never truly understood that word or why it has so much significance in current times. Simple. In a gynocentric culture men are valued based on their ability to get women to have sex with them. That makes "incel" the ultimate insult. MGTOW rejects gynocentrism, which puts us in the minority, so you can expect the majority to toss out the word liberally as a way to unite themselves against us. It is just classic high-school behavior. The best defense is just not to care, and ideally don't talk a…
/r/MGTOW216/03/21 06:35 PM
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I hear it is semi-feasible for stuff that runs on diesel, but mostly I've heard of people doing it with waste oil. I had a coworker who would make rounds at local fast food places and take their waste oil (which normally they have to pay somebody to dispose of). He would then take it home, filter it, and then use it in his car. I'm not sure if it really needed any treatment otherwise (I think he did heat it to filter it to reduce the viscocity, and he used old jeans/etc as a filter media). If yo…
/r/MGTOW16/03/21 01:04 AM
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There isn't any money in kids not being born. I think that it is just a case of ideology over brains. A lot of the people driving this stuff are true believers, and everybody else is just trying to cash in however they can before the party ends.
/r/MGTOW215/03/21 07:30 PM
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Probably in the same way that the NFL is profitable. They don't do anything "useful" but they still generate revenue. I can't vouch for how true this is, but when you see the sheer amount of publicity/etc it does seem like the sort of thing you could monetize.
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 07:37 PM
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Yeah, the solution to every problem isn't more lawsuits. The problem is, neither is it believe every claim of victimhood. The US court system is also terrible in that you're basically punished simply by going through it. There are huge impacts on your reputation, and it costs a fortune in money and time. You basically have to prove your innocence, even though in theory you should be able to just show up and do nothing if you're innocent. Obviously rape is terrible, but the problem with it is tha…
/r/MGTOW211/03/21 06:43 PM
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No kidding. The guy is lucky enough to be born with all the options in the world. This is what he settles for? There are women who would date him who look like models who don't have any obvious publicly-known indiscretions, who play two instruments, can paint and sing, and could have an intelligent discussion on the works of Shakespeare with him. Or whatever your personal interests are. I mean, this is the guy who literally could date the mythical unicorn, and she would be jumping through hoops …
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 02:38 PM
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Yup. I mean, he basically gets a stipend from the government, so he is somewhat immune from divorce (I'm sure she could get some of it, but he'd still be well-off, and there is no room to argue for more). Most of his attraction is from his status, which he was born with and really can't be taken away from him short of him screwing up and doing the sorts of things he is actually doing. I'm not saying I approve of the situation, but man, you'd think he could do better for himself...
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 02:35 PM
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they will still expect men to pay for everything and thus will only date up Poor woman: expects you to pay for Applebees Wealthy woman: expects you to pay for the trendy new place in the city with a two month waiting list for reservations where water is $4 per glass Not much of an upgrade...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/03/21 02:29 PM
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Honestly though, you did the right thing, kept your cool through it all I'm not sure I'd have done any better, but you're right that it is really critical to keep your cool. Be careful what you say when you're in a situation like this. Keep in mind that arguing with your employer is rarely a battle you can "win." Your management is your judge, jury, and executioner as far as round one goes. You don't want to say things to try to "win" - you want to try to do what you can to keep your head down f…
/r/MGTOW11/03/21 01:31 PM
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Oh, I'm sure plenty of guys want the same thing. It is just that there is no way that a man could ever obtain this.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/03/21 08:27 PM
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She’s clearly confused as she is describing modern women. Well, she is describing accurately the men she is interested in, who want nothing to do with commitment. When women describe men, keep in mind they're only describing the men they're interested in.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/03/21 08:24 PM
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This is not about celebrating women, it's about using them as a prop. And hence the reason they do it. Actually making the world a better place costs money. Hiring a token woman for a job is not very expensive in moderation. It is like greenwashing.
/r/MGTOW210/03/21 07:42 PM
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This argument is silly. Women are about half the population. Yes, in some areas they're slightly more, and in some areas they're slightly less. We're talking about tenths of a percent in general unless we're talking about some kind of war zone or a place with some kind of crazy population controls that incentivize gender-specific abortions/etc (which nobody here is advocating for). In any case, whether you claim 49% or 51% there is no need to treat them as some kind of "minority."
/r/MGTOW210/03/21 07:20 PM
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You know, I feel like Gen X gets a bit lost in the shuffle. You have the boomers above you, Millenials below you, and both get a LOT of discussion. We're the generation who went to school where we were taught how to use the card catalog and encyclopedia, and then we figured out the Internet just fine on our own. We taught it to our parents and our kids. And somehow we managed to use it throughout our 20s without posting a photo of everything we ate and without selfie cams. :)
/r/MGTOW206/03/21 12:34 PM
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Certainly agree. I actually do think there needs to be some balance, but the problem is of course that once you have some kind of wealth-transfer mechanism in place there will always be a huge pressure to shift the balance until everything breaks down. So, I'm not sure which is the lesser evil. The problem with purely keeping it in the family is that you often fail to utilize the potential of people born into poor families. When the next Einstein or Musk or Wozniak or whatever gets born into a p…
/r/MGTOW05/03/21 12:59 PM
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They even have a term for this, “filial piety”, which is something that just doesn’t even translate into English without sounding weird. I don't think there was ever a word for it in English but the concept was very common in the West until recently. 100 years ago it wouldn't be at all controversial to say that a man had a duty to support his parents in old age when needed. Everyone looks out for everyone. You still see this in some subcultures in the West. Take the Amish as an example. When som…
/r/MGTOW05/03/21 12:20 AM
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Universities can pump out way more doctors and dentists than are demanded by the community's needs, so we get an over-supply. My peers studying clinical psychology area running into this issue. I'm not sure I'd lump in psychologists with MDs or even dentists. They're VERY different professions. I suspect that psychiatrists are a bit closer to MDs in terms of demand/etc. It is a shame, because I think psychology and mental health is such an important area in terms of the needs of the population. …
/r/MGTOW05/03/21 12:16 AM
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So, I get why guys do this just for pump-and-dump - the other guy is of no concern to them, and really neither is the girl. However, to do it to family/friend is another matter, because you're tossing a stable relationship for the sake of a momentary one. As /u/mma13579 said, most likely they're just thinking with their little head.
/r/MGTOW04/03/21 02:06 PM
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I think one of the most important things a person can embrace is the fact that they can do better, and that they will PERSONALLY benefit if they do so. Being better doesn't always mean working harder, but it usually does involve work. That can manifest in so many ways, and certainly you shouldn't change just because somebody else says that you ought to. I do think you should be looking for external input into how you can change, whether that be from friends, coworkers, philosophers, and so on. W…
/r/MGTOW04/03/21 02:04 PM
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I think there's also a simple supply-demand issue: the supply of human beings is higher than ever so the (market) value of any individual human is lower than ever. I'd have to really think about that. Most of the demand for human labor tends to come from humans. The more people you have, the more food you need, etc. So, I'm not sure that population growth in and of itself changes the price of human labor. Sure, the supply goes up, but so should the demand. Now increasing population density as we…
/r/MGTOW04/03/21 01:47 PM
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I agree, though I really wonder how much this just reflects a trend that they're just at a different point in. Once upon a time everything you said was true of the US. I really do hope that things remain as they are in Asia for a long time. I would love to be proven wrong in my claim that this is the result of the increasing importance of skilled labor. Your comments remind me a lot of what drove me away from watching the TV show Survivor. The original model of the show was to have two teams, th…
/r/MGTOW04/03/21 01:24 PM
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I think the problem is a lack of balance. All this focus on class ignores the fact that people DO move up and down in those classes, and often people are in the class they're in for a reason. Sure, a big reason for many is being born there, and in the span of a single generation there isn't a lot of mobility between the very top and very bottom. However, over even a few generations you get a lot of mixing across the whole system (albeit with way more at the bottom than the top, so it is much eas…
/r/MGTOW03/03/21 07:20 PM
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I agree, though a lot of it comes down to a conflicting set of priorities. Which is more important: making the pie bigger, or ensuring that everybody's slice is the same size? Ie, is the priority production of resources, or equal distribution of resources? These tend to be in conflict, and you don't have to 100% favor one or the other. The problem is people get SOOO caught up in ideology that they do this - and you can see it on both extremes. You get the super-libertarian types where people who…
/r/MGTOW03/03/21 07:11 PM
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Yeah, I had a conversation with somebody about how 95% of the time the victims of crimes do things that result in them becoming victims. The reaction was what you'd expect. I wasn't suggesting that criminals don't bear the primary blame for crimes, or that they shouldn't be punished/etc. It is just that often victims of crimes do stupid things that contribute to them becoming victims. I can't control whether some asshole decides to become a criminal. I can control the sorts of things that put me…
/r/MGTOW03/03/21 05:36 PM
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That's fine by me: my life is finite and I don't care about the human race. I think the issue is that technology has greatly changed the utility of children, and this is why there is now a disconnect between the interests of the individual and the "human race" - or even just the society. If you go back 100 years kids were a cash cow. A LOT of labor was unskilled, and children provided free labor for their parents at a pretty young age. Much of this happened on farms. Even very young children cou…
/r/MGTOW03/03/21 12:54 PM
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Half decent looks - full head of hair, nicely done, 6'+ tall, 6-pack, dark. You know, just the usual stuff.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/03/21 12:59 AM
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They read all of this, they have it laid out several times, yet it never sinks in, even a little. Most people coddle young women to such an extent that it really interferes with learning lessons like this. Men learn from a young age that they must bear the full consequences of their actions. They quickly learn to pay attention to the experiences of others, because it is better to watch somebody else burn their hands on the stove than to do it yourself. Women are in such high demand at a young ag…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/03/21 05:42 PM
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Oh, I'm sure there are still a TON of guys who are desperate enough to marry her. She sticks #foreveralone on her post. If she actually posted that on that sub she would be complaining because she was getting hundreds of DMs from desperate guys. She wants to be bailed out by a guy who will make all her friends jealous of her. She isn't willing to settle for just anybody. However, you are right that any guy who would meet her standards would have nothing to do with her.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/03/21 02:53 PM
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While I definitely agree with the sentiment, you have to be practical. You only get one shot at life, and these sorts of attacks basically destroy you for life - or at least they force you do do a complete reset and change your entire approach to life. If you had wanted some kind of career in the corporate world/etc that door is forever closed after something like this - even if you "win." So, really your best strategy is to avoid standing out and becoming a target. Sun Tzu said, "if your enemy …
/r/MGTOW28/02/21 02:58 PM
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there are mods above MGTOW mods You're referring to admins, and that is correct - they're the ones taking action. Then the automod kicks in Automod is a tool available to moderators. The bots used by the admins may be similar, but I've never heard Reddit refer to those as "automod." You seem to be conflating moderators and admins. Moderators are unpaid volunteers who moderate subs. They don't have the power to do stuff like this. Admins are paid and have a higher level of access, and they (and t…
/r/MGTOW28/02/21 11:48 AM
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When you get a message like that it usually means you hurt one of the mods feelings This is a result of upvoting. Mods have no visibility into who upvotes stuff. These actions are taken directly by Reddit itself, and the mods of a sub actually have zero control over it. You can be suspended for upvoting stuff on this sub, for example, and there is nothing the MGTOW mods can do about it.
/r/MGTOW28/02/21 12:59 AM
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You dont have to interrogate them to pick the lies. Just ask for minute details... Kids often faulter to keep up those lies once more details are asked. Uh, that basically is interrogation. :) My point is that figuring out whether somebody is lying is a skill. Simply having gonads doesn't confer this skill upon you. Neither does the mere passage of time. Personally, I find it is best to just assume that everything that everybody tells me is a lie, at least if it is consequential. If it is import…
/r/MGTOW227/02/21 10:26 PM
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Yup. When somebody lies to you, that is on them. When you spread that lie without any evidence, that is on you. This woman didn't just take the necessary actions to protect her daughter. She also started a crusade against the man. And this is why I have zero interest in stuff like online dating. If I'm going to date a woman I want to see how she handles stuff like this when other people are the ones getting burned. Does she spread rumors? Does she believe everything anybody says to her and get o…
/r/MGTOW227/02/21 01:23 PM
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As a parent, you should be able tell when your kid is lying or not. IMO this is dangerously naive. Sure, some people are better liars than others, and some people are better at detecting lies than others. However, the idea that ALL parents have the ability to detect ALL lies by ALL children is just wishful thinking. Stuff like this should never be taken at a person's word. Really, nothing serious in life should be.
/r/MGTOW227/02/21 01:18 PM
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Honestly, if it were your own daughter, would you question it? Most wouldn't. And that is why I'm MGTOW. When a woman accuses a man of something, EVERYBODY believes her. Men most of all. It just isn't a reasonable basis to form a relationship. How can you even be friends with somebody if when there is any disagreement everybody will take the other person's side? The daughter was ... young enough that her story would be believed. LOL - people believe these stories no matter how old the woman is, …
/r/MGTOW227/02/21 01:14 PM
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Certainly all good advice - I think that generational changes are important to consider here. I'm one generation behind you (mid-40s), and I could see the impact of our culture changing on my marriage compared to my parents. The situation for somebody considering marriage today is very different. I completely agree that kids and family can be very rewarding - it was something I was looking forward to when I got married. The problem is that it is also fraught with peril legally, and bad incentive…
/r/MGTOW226/02/21 03:12 PM
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That may be the case, but doesn't really change anything I said. Women still want to be attached to the super-dominant personality because it puts them at the top of a hierarchy. It doesn't change anything that only one woman is in this role at a time, and the guy that dominates a bunch of other men is likely to dominate her as well.
/r/MGTOW225/02/21 07:24 PM
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"Why was [INSERT SERIAL ABUSERS NAME HERE] able to easily enter relationships, but I'm not?" Most serial abusers I've met didn't have that large of a posse. Median of one. I think you have to pick a side here. :) Are they easily able to enter relationships, or not?
/r/MGTOW225/02/21 06:42 PM
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Complaining about something without proposing solutions is called whining. Sure, but you'd be amazed how often it gets incentivized. Just look at the law. The law says "do this" and "don't do that." The law doesn't ask whether this is feasible. At best you can argue for mercy before a judge, but by the time you get to that point you've already been thoroughly punished by the process. Just ask any guy who has been given an unreasonable support order. This is why the law makes a poor substitute fo…
/r/MGTOW25/02/21 12:28 PM
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"Why was [INSERT SERIAL ABUSERS NAME HERE] able to easily enter relationships, but I'm not?" And for questioning the choices of women as a whole, they are branded as sexists. I feel sorry for them, but I don't have an answer. There is a simple answer. Women aren't attracted to nice guys, for the most part. They want to feel protected, and the sorts of highly aggressive guys who end up becoming abusers also end up making women feel safe. Women also want a man who intimidates other men, because th…
/r/MGTOW225/02/21 12:22 PM
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Well, that is one of the things I like about this sub, at least most of the time. We're here to help each other find self-actualization, not tear each other apart... :)
/r/MGTOW225/02/21 02:13 AM
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Couldn't agree more. I've met plenty of people like this, though fortunately I've mostly avoided getting the loon award. Life isn't fair, and if you're going to just be miserable until either life becomes fair, or you die, then you're going to die miserable. Everybody gets dealt a different hand, and some of us get stronger hands than others overall, but almost everybody gets something they can work with if they figure out the right angle. You can sit and complain about everybody else, but your …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/02/21 08:08 PM
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I would disagree on that, fellow brother. We never let one failure stop us. This sounds like arguing that one should master the skill of touching the hot stove before deciding that maybe touching the stove isn't such a good idea. You don't need to get burned to know that touching the stove is a bad idea. However, if you do get burned, that is all the more reason to stop doing it. Really though MGTOW is more of a mindset - one that involves walking away from the values everybody else tries to imp…
/r/MGTOW224/02/21 07:28 PM
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MGTOW is a growing group. That means that there will ALWAYS be more men in the rage phase than any other phase. There will ALWAYS be more men who just made the decision to give up on their dreams of marriage than men who have been going their way for years. Additionally, the decision to GYOW is really the only thing any of us actually have in common. I have no idea what your interests are, but there is an 85% chance that they're completely different from mine. That's fine, and I hope you're find…
/r/MGTOW224/02/21 07:20 PM
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Incels want a woman for sex, but can't get one. MGTOWs don't want a woman. I don't think I'd agree with that. It isn't about WANTING women. It is about feeling entitled to them. There is nothing wrong with wanting a woman for sex, and not being able to get one. I mean, I wouldn't mind owning an F-35, and I certainly can't get one of those, but you don't see me whining about it all day long or trying to break into an air force base to steal one. The issue is entirely entitlement. The problem isn'…
/r/MGTOW224/02/21 05:40 PM
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That sums it up. It is like a woman's profile picture. You can safely assume that anything not in the picture isn't flattering, because if it were then it would be in the picture. When they make their profile picture a photo of their pet/kids, that means that her pet/kids are literally all she has to offer....
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/02/21 01:45 PM
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That was never my take on it, but it isn't like I own the trademark on MGTOW, MGTOW1, MGTOW2, etc. I always saw it as being a place to talk about MGTOW without the low-value meme posts and reaction videos and that sort of thing. Talking about self-actualization/etc certainly makes sense. I think that when you start getting into the specifics it tends to fail because MGTOW is a journey where we all start out at the same place and end up in different places. So, it is natural that the discussion e…
/r/MGTOW224/02/21 01:41 PM
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So, I've met some people who looked ugly, and then after spending 5 minutes with them I discovered that their looks are their most redeeming quality. Certainly there are plenty of nice people who are overweight - you can't just judge a book by its cover. However, in my experience women don't usually avoid other women JUST because they're ugly. If anything ugly women are sometimes safer friends because they aren't competition. What drives people to avoid you is if you're just outright obnoxious, …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/02/21 09:43 PM
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How it is possible that a woman in her mid-40s with a fair amount of success in the job market is still under the sway of Disney Princess Syndrome? That is simple - nobody at work would dare tell her that her dreams aren't going to come true. I've seen women with all kinds of issues at work - you just avoid getting caught in their problems as best you can. Trying to "help" them by telling them the truth is just career suicide. They simply can't handle the truth.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/02/21 07:31 PM
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Seems like this woman isn’t a mean person, just someone in an unfortunate situation. So, the post is written in the sense of "why do I have all these problems?" However, most of the time when I meet people like this the answer becomes pretty obvious pretty fast. She says that none of her friends want to be around her - that doesn't strike me as a "this woman isn't a mean person" sort of problem. I'm sure she has some backstory, maybe family issues or whatever. She almost certainly would benefit …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/02/21 07:28 PM
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I remember going to somebody's birthday. They had this cousin or something who was there, and who later tried to connect with me on Facebook. I didn't want to go making enemies so I just brushed her off politely. This woman looked like she was 45, though it turns out she was actually closer to 30. She was REALLY REALLY overweight - like I don't know how she fit into a car. I was curious so I looked at her profile and she was just constantly whining about all her problems, it seemed like everybod…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/02/21 07:23 PM
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I preferred it when guys just talked about the accomplishments they achieved on their own. Not sure what that has to do with MGTOW. If I want to talk about something neat I did I'll just post it on a sub dedicated to that hobby. No need to have an alt account just to talk about your accomplishments...
/r/MGTOW223/02/21 07:02 PM
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Even on the left there are people who suspect all this identity politics is a way to distract people from a lot of economic issues that are inconvenient to people with the kind of money Madonna has. This is why you see companies eager to jump all over BLM, critical race theory, diversity training, and so on. Those things don't really cost them much in terms of cold hard cash, and gets them a lot of brownie points. Politicians love identity politics because it gets voters all riled up, but they d…
/r/MGTOW22/02/21 04:59 PM
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Well, there are two aspects to that, IMO: Much of this was codified in religion and tradition. This was a system that worked, which is why it became so prominent, but it was engineered per se. Different cultures had different practices and the ones that worked best became dominant. The other factor is that kids used to be big business, and marriage provided control over kids. People often think of kids in ancient times as a retirement plan, but they were more than that. Most labor in that era wa…
/r/MGTOW222/02/21 04:16 PM
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Oh, I'm sure SHE had plans for them. My guess is that she was going after Chads and Chad doesn't get bothered with long-term plans.
/r/MGTOW22/02/21 02:45 PM
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Feminism does have a point, actually - it isn't the one they are trying to make, but there is a reason it exists. The fact is that traditional society was a very artificial construct, and it relied on suppressing the natural inclinations of both men and women. It should be completely expected that individuals would have negative reactions to this. The problem is that both the biological underpinnings of this conflict and the reason that society was organized the way it was were not well-understo…
/r/MGTOW222/02/21 01:55 PM
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LOL, they don't have to. The judge decides whether they think you have them or not. It is basically up to you to prove that you did lose them. Guys get locked up for not making support payments larger than their income all the time - the judge just decides that they are willfully making less money.
/r/MGTOW22/02/21 11:52 AM
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Oh, it certainly can be - if they know you have it. It is an asset just like a stack of gold bricks or a bottlecap collection. If they know you have $100k worth of bitcoin then they'll split that up in the divorce like anything else. If you don't want to transfer it then they'll just let you keep it and give your ex an extra $100k worth of everything else. If the everything else isn't worth $100k then they'll just order you to hand it over and lock you up until you comply. Obviously if they don'…
/r/MGTOW22/02/21 02:01 AM
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Often true, and not worth the risk, but your odds are a little better in marriage simply because you get a chance to form a relationship with your wife BEFORE the kids come along - go figure. Of course, once you're married it is a bit too late to do anything if you end up in this situation...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/02/21 07:44 PM
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True, with one caveat. There is no such thing as male chess or a male grandmaster, just as there is no such thing as men's tennis or men's football, or men's basketball. There is chess, and there is female chess. There are grandmasters, and female grandmasters. There is basketball, and there is woman's basketball, and so on. The women's league is only for women. The other league is open to anybody. It just happens to be that women don't place anywhere near the top, with very rare exceptions.
/r/MGTOW20/02/21 12:39 AM
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It is a shame because from sharing of work standpoint that should be a natural matchup. However, you're absolutely right that basically you end up being responsible for 100% of everything by default. That means you are guaranteed to be responsible for double the mouths to feed. You may or may not get one partner to share the domestic work with. When everybody pulls their weight it works great, but the problem is that one partner gets the option to slack, and the other does not. In a lot of ways …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/02/21 05:33 PM
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Really though it didn't work out for him in the end. Cutting costs like that is dumb. These doctors get paid a fortune. Ok, maybe you have to kick back $1k to the sperm bank or whatever, and that is an expense on your $30k surgery. However, now this doctor is probably going to lose just about everything he ever made and never be able to be a doctor again. I can laugh at the situation. However, I can also recognize that it was pretty dumb.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/02/21 04:11 PM
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This is part of why I don't hold up much hope for finding a decent woman interested in some kind of reasonable LTR (certainly not marriage or cohabitation). Women tend to both practice and seek out in men behaviors that I personally find repugnant. Women are attracted to status, and they are attracted to men who display their status. Humility is a complete turn-off to women. In turn they also are seeking to flaunt their wealth, ideally in forms that show that some guy spent money on them (I thin…
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 04:08 PM
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Certainly men with these behaviors exist, but they're a minority of men. However, women seek to emulate these men most of all. I heard somebody who was pretty tradcon comment on this. He pointed out that the sorts of men who women are complaining about are generally not looked upon positively by most men. He also observed that these were the sorts of men that women most want to emulate.
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 04:01 PM
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Women are the weaker sex. Both sexes know that instinctively. Women will always need an advocate. This is why the old timers believed women should speak to and/or through their fathers and, later, through their husbands. This reminds me of a very analogous situation. I remember in school learning about the UN and how some of my history teachers would complain about how the permanent veto nations in the security council were just unfair and should be rotated. Superficially that might seem so, but…
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 03:56 PM
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Well, that wasn't the excuse they used, and their actual argument isn't an entirely unreasonable one, although I think it is misplaced here. Many newspapers avoid reporting on suicides in general, the reason being that it is believed that this encourages suicide. (The copycat effect, people seeking publicity, etc.) That is actually a legitimate concern, though there should be a way to balance it in this case. Clearly the general issue that people are being driven to suicide over false accusation…
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 02:29 PM
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Of course, this is why you have to have laws/etc that aligns the interests of society and the individual. It isn't wrong to point out that our laws are broken. That doesn't mean that you go out and get married in complete ignorance of the law. However, that doesn't mean that when you see that our civilization is going to go down the tubes that you have to like it...
/r/MGTOW219/02/21 02:12 PM
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LOL, YOU could probably win a WNBA title by yourself, assuming you're a guy. Ok, maybe solo vs an entire team you might not pull it off, but if you tossed in a buddy or two (who aren't any good at basketball), all bets are off. There aren't a lot of organized matches that involve women's teams and anything that involves men, and there is a reason for this. The advantages men have over women in almost any kind of sport are incredibly lopsided, and nobody wants to see that demonstrated.
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 01:05 PM
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TFM always goes on about some high school team that beat the women's Olympic soccer team. This wasn't a particularly good high school team. It was apparently a complete blow-out. Maybe it would be an interesting match-up if you pitted the chess team full of out of shape nerdy guys who have no training in organized soccer tactics against the women's olympic team. On shows like Survivor when they design challenges they basically have to design them specifically so that the women aren't too disadva…
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 01:02 PM
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Legally the wig is optional.
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 12:55 PM
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Yup, and this is why single mothers are such a trap. These woman are looking for somebody to pay for their bad decisions, not somebody who is going to expect to have a 50% say in future decisions. At best they'll let you be an equal participant. As in she and the 2 kids vote yes, and you vote no, and so you're out 3-1. As the other reply said, since she is basically a child herself that means that you're agreeing to earn the money and then let the children decide how the house is run...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/02/21 12:42 PM
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This is the trap of egg freezing. It just shows how much they believe that prince charming is out there to rescue them in their 40s after they're done having their fun. They're actually willing to spend their own cash up-front on that dream. Now, on the flip side if you're a guy and it is suggested that you have your sperm frozen prior to getting a vasectomy/etc, that is something that you should be VERY reluctant about, because all it takes is a court to issue an order and now you're a father o…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/02/21 12:37 PM
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I have no doubts that people will keep trying to make that a thing, but if they do I think they'll run into an ugly red pill. Women are always hypergamous, but when it comes to selecting sperm from a catalog, they're, well, hyper-hypergamous. So, suppose the laws get changed. Woman sues to get support. Records get unsealed and guy gets unmasked. Before it even gets to court his lawyer points out to the woman's lawyer that he is now facing child support claims for 135,482 children, and per the st…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/02/21 12:32 PM
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I kind of get the argument that men just want to spread their genes, but I really don't get that. After I'm dead, why would I care about how many partial clones of me are running around? While I'm still alive it isn't like these are children/grandchildren who will come visit me/etc. So there really is no upside unless you count whatever miniscule payment you get for it. I've also heard that women are VERY picky about sperm donors. I mean, you think they're hypergamous on dating apps, but when th…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/02/21 12:23 PM
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I mean, have you seen what they consider food?
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 02:15 AM
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Uh, I'll hazard a guess at no. Honestly, the booze and cigarettes, while definitely harmful, are probably the least of that kid's problems. Then in another decade that kid gets to be everybody's problem.
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 02:15 AM
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While I'm glad this all worked out, this really seems like taking an unnecessary risk. If you want have an attorney or somebody like that present, maybe in addition to yourself. The only reason you didn't end up in jail is because she didn't come up with the right story. If she just told the cops that you hit her, you'd probably be in jail right now. Again, I'm glad it all worked out, but in general when a woman calls the police they're usually going to take her side unless she plays her cards p…
/r/MGTOW19/02/21 12:33 AM
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I don’t see why so many whine so much Well, it is pretty obvious - the completely natural behavior you're describing is almost completely incompatible with a stable civilization. Yes, our natural biological instinct is to behave like a bunch of apes. However, apes aren't capable of sustaining all the civilization we see around us. Stuff like marriage and traditional values is entirely a social construct. The reason that it is so ubiquitous worldwide is that it is a social construct THAT WORKS, o…
/r/MGTOW218/02/21 05:39 PM
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this line of thinking/study ultimately has no utility and is intellectual masturbation Well, sure, just like 99% of everything else on this sub. :) Not everything we do in life has practical utility. Yes, we know, don't get married. Don't cohabitate. If that's the end of the conversation then why not just pin a post that makes those two statements and just block all further posts?
/r/MGTOW218/02/21 05:28 PM
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I don't see anybody advocating for getting married here. You seem to be reading something into the original post that isn't there. Also, you need to distinguish between what we as individuals do, and what society ought to do. Obviously our best reaction as individuals is to just try to disengage from society when it is being unreasonable. However, it isn't wrong to point out that society is being unreasonable and trying to enforce double standards. That is just pointing out the very reality that…
/r/MGTOW218/02/21 05:26 PM
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Sure, and none of these guys had these companies handed to them by a relative/parent. They didn't just buy the companies with cash handed to them by a relative/parent either. They're self-made in the sense of the word that you're using. Sure, they had some opportunities that most men don't have access to. However, that doesn't diminish what they made of those opportunities. If you hand 99% of the guys on this sub a million dollars at age 15, they'll never be 1/10th as successful as the three peo…
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 02:01 PM
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They aren't the richest men in the world because their fathers were rich. They all created huge companies. Would they have created huge companies if their fathers weren't rich? Hard to say. Lots of men have rich fathers, and very few of them make it to the top of the list of the wealthiest men, because the men who end up at the top have to create a lot more than what they started with. You can't just reduce these guys to being born rich. It is the whole luck = preparation + opportunity. Yes, the…
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 01:58 PM
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Agree, though I think people take that argument way too far. Look, nobody can argue that luck doesn't matter. Take the guy who set the world record for the long jump. I wouldn't be surprised that there was a little gust of wind helping him along on his best attempt. Maybe in a perfect world some other guy would hold the world record by the narrowest of margins. The problem is that this sort of attitude that luck plays such a large part leads to far bigger problems. Somebody ends up looking at th…
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 01:12 PM
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Nobody is "self made." Not even a garbage collector. If you were born as a mentally retarded quadriplegic you would be utterly dependent on the charity of others for your entire life, no matter how hard you tried to improve yourself. People are in fact born that way - fortunately only rarely. All of us start out at different places. There is no true equality. However, most men this far at the top have done a great deal to make more from what they started out with. As to what "adulation" anybody …
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 01:05 PM
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Only an idiot thinks that hard work is the only thing that it takes to get ahead. Being well-off at birth certainly helps, but that is hardly the only factor as well. Your income is based on the value of what you produce, not what you do to produce it, except to the degree that it makes it harder for a competitor to produce the same. Sure, luck also is a factor. However, you generally don't get into these positions purely due to luck.
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 12:50 PM
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Look, you can argue whether their companies are overvalued, but the fact is that all of these guys have created things. Should they be #1 on the list, or #50 on the list? You can argue about that. Ultimately when you have 3 companies all creating a product that has the potential to be popular, the one that gets popular depends on luck along with a lot of other things. However, luck is still preparation plus opportunity, and the "lucky" product inevitably still had a ton of work behind it. Doesn'…
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 12:45 PM
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The funny thing is that women try so hard to make themselves look like plastic dolls, and then they wonder why some guys just end up buying plastic dolls. Makeup is hardly the only example of this problem: a big problem women have relating with men is that they get all their relationship advice from other women. I can appreciate a bit of enhancement using makeup, but when step one is to basically completely bury your face in concealer so that you're starting with a blank slate, you're going to e…
/r/MGTOW18/02/21 12:37 PM
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Definitely agree. Though I've found it interesting that anytime I used the term as a simp it was mostly about how complicated things are to use, and I think that is a common aspect of WAF. What does that say about the average wife?
/r/MGTOW13/02/21 12:57 PM
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This is just social media. I guarantee that a post like that on IG gets a bazillion likes. It goes to their heads. Now, 99.99% of those likes are from guys she would never want to go near, and most of those are on the other side of the country. However, she still gets that sweet attention. The problem is that she can't actually attract the men she wants to attract, and hence WAATGM. She feels like men are sending her mixed signals. It is really that a mixed group of men are sending her consisten…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/02/21 08:27 PM
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Historically I've been as patriotic as the next man, but with the way things are moving towards being a police state I'm not going to complain about them dismantling the military. I appreciate those have served but it seems like the bill is starting to come due for spending more than we have, and combined with progressive identity politics that could start looking really ugly.
/r/MGTOW11/02/21 08:24 PM
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Look, I'm reasonably moderate on a lot of stuff, but in my experience most single women are WAY out on the left. Now, if you're on the left, great. That's entirely your business and this isn't a problem for you I guess. However, for any guy who isn't into burning down Starbucks and government buildings, this is actually a problem. I bet that you and I could probably have a rational discussion of our disagreements. Maybe - I can't speak for anybody but myself. However, in my experience most women…
/r/MGTOW211/02/21 01:25 PM
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Maybe. Could be reddit. Could be automod. Could be some kind of caching issue with Reddit. It is a big site so I wouldn't be surprised if comments didn't propagate instantly.
/r/MGTOW11/02/21 01:41 AM
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MRAs have been fighting this stuff for decades. It just keeps getting worse. I'm not sure what more you think can be done. Really this stuff became fairly inevitable once we moved towards universal suffrage. That has lead to collectivist policies across the board, and marriage is collectivist by nature. Most people tend to favor these sorts of policies, and this is deeply rooted in education/institutions/etc. Conservative institutions like churches also cling to the traditional notions of marria…
/r/MGTOW209/02/21 03:54 PM
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after giving a couple of samples to save for if you do feel like having children I would be VERY careful about that. While it might not be likely, it is at least conceivable that you could be sued, forced to become a father against your will, and then be forced to pay child support. If a court orders that sperm bank to hand over your sample they will happily do so. If he really thinks that he might want to have children then he needs to take a completely different path in life. It is a risky pro…
/r/MGTOW209/02/21 02:43 PM
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I'll be curious how well that actually works. I'm sure it depends on jurisdiction. If you're working with a lawyer and this was the recommendation then I'm sure it was your best shot. Family courts like to hand women money - they tend to get frustrated with roadblocks to this...
/r/MGTOW209/02/21 02:36 PM
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Even that comparison wouldn't really be a complete one. You do account for survivorship bias, but not selection bias. Suppose a boy gets polio and is paralyzed and confined to a wheelchair for his entire life. What do you think his odds of getting married are? When women are actively choosing to marry strong, healthy men, why should it be surprising that married men end up being healthier? Suppose a young man has difficulty obtaining a decent paying job. How likely is he to end up getting marrie…
/r/MGTOW209/02/21 01:22 AM
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Well, you can obviously do what you wish, but IMO there is no value in telling them why you're leaving. Nobody knows the future, and nobody is going to give you a bit of help if you need it, so it is always best to keep your options open (IMO). Information is an advantage - don't just give it away...
/r/MGTOW208/02/21 05:36 PM
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Pretty sure it is because when you use Uber Eats you hand the driver cash. If you wanted an arrangement where Uber Eats showed up at your house, handed you food, and then they hand you a stack of cash to go with it, Uber might find fewer drivers willing to work for them...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/02/21 02:42 PM
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I'm going to put in a 2 week notice for "no confidence in management." I'd recommend against giving any reason other than you're leaving. Why burn bridges? Management could change, and the new management will never hire somebody who left giving a reason like that. The old management could also end up going someplace you end up. An old boss gave me really good advice once: play your cards close to your chest. Don't go telling everybody what you're thinking if it isn't to your advantage to do so.
/r/MGTOW208/02/21 02:29 PM
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Well, if all she wants is sex it is a reasonable strategy. Women are just FLOODED with messages on these apps. The problem is that this strategy is a trap if you want relationships. The "problem" women confront with dating apps is too MUCH attention. They post a profile and they get 400 messages per day. They just can't be bothered to read them all, especially when half are one-liners. So they start trying to "filter" this down by editing their profile. Height, income, listing their flaws, etc. …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/02/21 06:57 PM
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Well, if you just want to look at sex toys you can go a lot cheaper. Really though the main thing men want from women is sex and that doll isn't a bad substitute. When you think about it the things women want from men in a relationship would require a fully sentient AI capable of basically making humanity obsolete. To be fair most men want more than sex from women but women don't actually provide those things. :)
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/02/21 12:34 PM
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I'd talk to a lawyer before doing anything else whatsoever. The lawyer will tell you if you have leverage or not. The reddit cheerleading squad won't be able to do more than tell you how unfair it is that you lost your job. And of course it is, but we have to deal with the hand we're dealt. And talk to that lawyer before you get fired. Once the company makes a decision there is zero chance they'll reverse it - if there is an opportunity to influence the decision you want to do that up-front. Don…
/r/MGTOW205/02/21 02:00 AM
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Yeah, it isn't 100% guaranteed, but it is a huge risk. You definitely don't want to engage with somebody like that. It is a risk even with a witness - no upside and all downside. I'm really glad she ended up being booted, but I don't think that is the norm in these situations. Keep your heads down.
/r/MGTOW205/02/21 01:58 AM
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On the left they are willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish their mission - they have no concept of limited democracy. On the right most are willing to surrender their rights as long as it goes through a form of due process. Most on the right also do not care that much about limited democracy. This is a process of boiling frogs. They start with the things you object to the least. They leverage freedom of association and private choice as much as possible, such as organizing boycotts. Sinc…
/r/MGTOW04/02/21 10:57 PM
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It is this way everywhere. When I was married I used to get grief from my wife all the time when I "wouldn't stick up for her" or whatever. She would go pick a fight with somebody, and expect me to come to her rescue. This is part of why women are attracted to physically strong guys.
/r/MGTOW04/02/21 04:18 PM
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Yup, I was listening to a MGTOW content creator comment on this a few years ago. You tend to use the tools that work for you. Learning how to invest is a lot of work and has a moderate chance of success. Learning how to bat your eyes at guys is a lot less work and has a higher chance of success, if you're a woman. You tend to develop the abilities that work most best for you...
/r/MGTOW04/02/21 04:06 PM
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The reality though is that a lot of the people in that sub are partnering with women to help them benefit from the whole GME thing. Who do you think subscribes to OnlyFans in the first place?
/r/MGTOW04/02/21 03:22 PM
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Sure, but that is hardly sexism. Women are used to getting attention the moment they walk into a room. Merely being treated the same as a guy who walks into the room (ie neutrally) is an unwelcoming reception in their view. Guys are used to a neutral reception - if they want to get respect/acclaim and not merely polite interaction then they need to earn it. A guy who walks into a meetup gets some handshakes and that is about it. When they organize an event or give a presentation or help some peo…
/r/MGTOW04/02/21 02:56 PM
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Hey - sleeping with a guy who wasn't already wealthy or super-hot was a big sacrifice for her.
/r/MGTOW04/02/21 02:52 PM
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Yup. TFM said it well in a recent stream. You can't use logic against this stuff. They don't care that they're hypocrites - they are winning. They're going to keep winning if all everybody does is talk about how they're playing rugby when you signed up to play tennis.
/r/MGTOW04/02/21 01:08 PM
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a private business should be able to do as they see fit And this is why conservatives will go extinct in the US - at least for a time. They really will sell somebody the rope used to hang them.
/r/MGTOW04/02/21 01:03 PM
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That is why women seek high-status men. They adopt the mantle of the person/organization they are attached to. A woman feels as powerful as the man she is with. This is also why women are attracted to men who are self-promoting. These men help her project the aura she desires. A man who quietly succeeds is unattractive, because other women will not recognize her achievement in attaching herself to such a man.
/r/MGTOW04/02/21 12:46 PM
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If she was hot, she would want nothing to do with you. I've got news for you - if she is below average she still doesn't want anything to do with you, if you're in the bottom 90% or so of men. This woman is hanging around doctors all day long. She has a crush on the most attractive 35 year old doctor in the department and surprisingly enough he is more interested in professional bikini models. Women barely lower their standards at all as you go from supermodel down to morbidly obese. They all wa…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/02/21 12:08 PM
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she's either so picky that 99,9% of men are not even people at their eyes, or she's horribly fat/physically disgusting. Honestly, I'm skeptical that there are ANY women that are so horribly fat/disgusting/unpleasant that there isn't a guy interested in them. So, at some level it comes down to pickiness. That said, if you have this many problems I don't think that completely eliminating all of your standards is the right solution to them. You need to work on yourself first. For women who are just…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/02/21 12:04 PM
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making her instantly unattractive Oh, I'm sure there are plenty of guys interested in her that she has turned down or clearly sent signals so that they don't even ask. I read that the ForeverAlone sub basically had to ban women because anytime one posted they'd complain about getting 300 DMs from desperate guys. Not having anybody interested in you is basically a male-only phenomenon. When women claim to be in this state it almost always means that Christian Grey doesn't notice her.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/02/21 11:56 AM
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Yeah, hence my example of a parent dying. If it is something like that and lasts a week and doesn't impact your income/etc they'll probably deal with it. Usually. However, if it is losing your job or something like that then that is an entirely different matter. Women can be very practical if your role is the beta provider - they'll give you some time if they think it is likely to work out and that they don't have any better options. However, if it starts to look like this is a long-term situati…
/r/MGTOW203/02/21 07:25 PM
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Yeah, they seem FAR more common than when I was growing up. These days it seems like just about everybody under the age of 30 has them. I don't get it. I don't really have a problem with it per-se, but especially among those who are older it tends to correlate with impulse control. Maybe it is so normalized in younger generations that it lacks that predictive power. I don't personally find them attractive, but who am I to tell somebody what they should look like? I mean, if you want to shave you…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/02/21 06:49 PM
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Most women are sheltered from the sorts of consequences that foster maturity. To them maturity is when a man steps up and bails them out.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/02/21 06:13 PM
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Yup, I doubt she'll have any hesitance to calling the cops on that one. Well, maybe. She might just take it to Twitter and get you blacklisted everywhere. That avoids the need to file a false police report and actually face a very tiny risk of consequences.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/02/21 04:32 PM
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This is the key. Women won't solve the loneliness problem. Heck in many ways they can make it worse. Yes, sure, having this super-nurturing partner would definitely help, but that isn't what you're going to get. Women do NOT want to nurture their husbands. They want you to be there to nurture them. Maybe if a parent dies they'll give you a couple of days to mourn if they're decent - many won't even give you that. It really sucks but you just have to learn to cope with this stuff on your own, or …
/r/MGTOW203/02/21 04:24 PM
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He has to be young. (A woman her age should be looking for men at least a decade older.) Alternatively, she could look for a very young man in his 20s. These tend to have low RMV due to their finances/etc. Of course they wouldn't be an instant bailout but they could make a partner. I'm not saying that this is the first choice of either group, but your 20 year old incel and your 50 year old single mother are actually well-matched RMV-wise. Of course, what she wants is Christian Grey offering a ba…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/02/21 04:19 PM
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When I was a Christian and single it was my sense that most women who were even moderately attractive met men outside of church. Usually they didn't get involved in social activities inside the church unless they already had a boyfriend from outside, and usually not even then. There were exceptions of course, but church seemed to be the social club where they'd show off their catch.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/02/21 12:42 PM
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That is very true. When I look at my life I suspect that a lot of women would feel embarrassed to talk about me with their friends if they were dating me. Doesn't bother me, but it does mean that I'm not going to waste a lot of time trying to find women to date. They're going to have a long list of things they'd want me to change so that I'm more conventionally attractive, and honestly that just isn't where I'm interested in spending my time. If somebody wants to be an activity partner and someb…
/r/MGTOW201/02/21 10:04 PM
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I think we need a MGTOW widowers club or something. I am in my 40s but in a similar situation. I have no opposition to the idea of being in relationships but it seems really hard to find women that would be interesting to date. I can't say I spend much time looking though. Some of it is just personality - I'm not really into a lot of the typical interests people have and so that is going to make a lot of people not a fit. However, I think Stardusk hit the nail on the head saying that women and m…
/r/MGTOW201/02/21 08:32 PM
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That is nice to say, but then she just picks up that phone and destroys your life, much like she did in this case. You can't ALWAYS blame parents for how their kids turn out. Plus there are two parents, and the father is the one with the least control over the situation since in a case of a father, mother, and daughter, there are now two women in the situation who can pick up the phone and destroy his life. Sure, a lot of kids are the result of bad parenting, but it isn't like parents get a lot …
/r/MGTOW201/02/21 12:34 AM
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Yup. If you go on the Financial Independence sub you'll see that people get really worried about having a 5% chance of running out of money before they die. Divorce is like a 25% chance of running out of money before you're 40.
/r/MGTOW231/01/21 11:03 PM
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They seriously followed that up with "your odds are pretty good." Yeah, worse than your odds playing Russian Roulette. 75% isn't pretty good considering what happens to you the other 25% of the time.
/r/MGTOW231/01/21 11:02 PM
1

Look, I realize you work hard for your money, and you're probably feeling panicked at the idea of just handing me a suitcase full of it... < insert bitcoin account number here > It certainly is an interesting approach to begging...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/01/21 02:30 PM
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This sort of thing is somewhat inevitable. The problem is that as the government shifts more leftward there is an increasing tendency to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. These people can never be satisfied. Just look at the typical stay at home mother. You could just be happy, watch TV, clean the house a little, and just have dinner ready, and be happy the rest of your life never having to do a serious job. Instead that isn't good enough and now they're juggling kids on top of two jobs.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/01/21 02:20 PM
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This was largely just a result of their options. Women just didn't have the opportunity to sleep around back then, at least not to nearly the degree they can today. They certainly couldn't just move it with a random guy at age 18 and not be disowned.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/01/21 02:13 PM
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One issue I've had in these sorts of relationships is that often the woman views it as some kind of democracy. She and the kids want A, and majority rules, and so you're going to do A. Of course in any relationship there has to be give and take. The problem is that single mothers tend to greatly prioritize the needs of themselves and their children, and the man is generally relegated to paying the bills and doing chores. In the beginning they do tend to be grateful for your support, especially i…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/01/21 02:09 PM
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Yup. Nobody blames men or women when they complain about terrible parents. Ultimately they have to suck it up and deal with it because it isn't like you can change it. However, nobody considers your parents a reflection on you. The partners YOU choose, on the other hand, do reflect on you, whether you're a man or a woman. If you're seriously dating women who you met in a bar while they were cheating on your boyfriends, and then you're whining about how they're cheating on you, I'd say that you h…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/01/21 08:23 PM
1

Makes you wonder if there is a strategy to be had in the style of the Absent Minded Professor: Throw the player with the ball - no incomplete passes or interceptions...
/r/MGTOW24/01/21 07:20 PM
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I think they were concerned though from a military-industrial / trade standpoint. It became apparent towards the end that the Pentagon was doing stuff behind Trump's back - maintaining forces in places he told them to withdraw, and so on. With another four years, Trump could probably really whittle away at that, making it much harder for the neocons to go back in. On the trade front there is only so long that countries can play chicken with the US. Covid gave the US even more leverage to try to …
/r/MGTOW24/01/21 07:10 PM
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Yeah, Republicans HATE that he can still run. He also has the threat of running third party, which would basically destroy any chances they have of winning the election. He can use that threat to make sure he has access in the primaries - if they suppress him too much he can just run third party. He could do a lot of damage to Republicans even as a write-in. That said, they're handling it wrong. Look, a lot of Republicans liked Trump but would probably say it is time to try something different. …
/r/MGTOW24/01/21 01:45 PM
3

More like 4 weeks. We're still riding the Obama economy, remember? Maybe in six months the stock market crashes. That will be the start of the Trump economy. But when it recovers that will be the Biden economy.
/r/MGTOW24/01/21 01:38 PM
5

Yup, just saw that police busted up a BLM blockade on a highway over in Seattle on MLK day of all days. They're no longer useful idiots. Riots when Orange Man was in charge fit the rebel against the evil dictator narrative. Riots when Saint Biden is in charge don't fit the narrative. No more deep pockets funding riots. No more get-out-of-jail-free cards. If the police bust some jaws efficiently dispersing protests it won't make the news. Police can go back to shooting black men in the back and t…
/r/MGTOW24/01/21 01:36 PM
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This means they think people should treat men and different the same. I agree. This is why I'm all for this. Look, I really don't care what crazy path they have to take to get there, but they're basically advocating for what libertarians have always stood for - equal opportunity for all. Ok, so maybe in the future every birth certificate will say "black female" on it and the intersectionalists can celebrate their victory. The black women CEOs will still all have male genitals and light skin, but…
/r/MGTOW24/01/21 01:28 PM
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LOL, do you think that women will be getting silver/bronze? Give it a few years and they won't even be able to make it into the tournaments. Do you know how many men don't make the cut? Any of them would mop the floor in a women's league. It isn't like you have to grow your hair long or something to join. It will just turn into a second open division with fewer perks (but still way more than what you'd get for intramurals).
/r/MGTOW24/01/21 01:24 PM
1

I'm all for this but I do fear the backlash. So, here's the thing. The identity politics is going off the rails. This is basically going to turn into a tax on anybody who doesn't check a bunch of identity boxes. Raise taxes for "everybody" but then offer discounts if you are female/minority/this/that/whatever. So, basically it ends up being a tax on white/asian men. However, if you can choose your gender/race, then these sorts of racist policies become ineffective. Ok, so it is becoming impossib…
/r/MGTOW24/01/21 01:21 PM
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LOL, so if they decide this was a mistake are they going to get rid of any records set? If not, we'll end up never seeing another woman's world record ever...
/r/MGTOW24/01/21 01:11 PM
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Well, that's the thing - it isn't about guys having a thing of their own. I believe it is already illegal to deny a woman participation on a sports team due to her gender. If your college only has a "men's" basketball team it is already policy that women can try out for it. Of course, women don't actually try out for these teams because it is completely impossible for them to actually make the teams. But if a woman came along who could keep up she could play on the "men's" team already. Men's te…
/r/MGTOW24/01/21 01:06 PM
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I want the NFL, and the NBA burned to the ground by forced female integration so I can laugh. Well, unless you mean gender quotas these leagues are already integrated. In basically every modern sport there are 1-2 professional leagues: Every sport has a league open to everybody. Some sports have a league limited to women. There isn't a men's league and a women's league. There is an everybody's league and a women's league. If an NFL team wanted to hire a female linebacker that is completely allow…
/r/MGTOW24/01/21 01:01 PM
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he'd have hunted me down and kicked my ass because she said I seduced her after knowing she was married. Most men are idiots. There are at least two parties involved in cheating: One party knows they're in a relationship. They made a promise to be faithful. They decided to sleep with somebody else anyway. The other party never promised nuttin' to nobody. Maybe they knew, maybe they didn't. Men almost universally blame #2. That means that men basically already know deep in their hearts that women…
/r/MGTOW21/01/21 05:51 PM
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Yup - most people are as good as their options. If you legalized shoplifting you'd see every store in the country put everything behind steel cages and arm their employees. Either that or go out of business. There are no negative consequences for this behavior, so people just follow whatever impulse enters their brains.
/r/MGTOW21/01/21 05:44 PM
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Yeah, but I get why people act the way they do. We live in a world where at least online it is completely acceptable to tell one side of the story, and it is unacceptable to tell the other. That tends to lead to a lot of bottled-up rage. When you're sitting at a table and 3 people are going back and forth about something you strongly disagree with the temptation is to express your disagreement. Of course this then leads to you becoming an outcast. It is difficult to listen to people say things t…
/r/MGTOW221/01/21 01:46 PM
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I think the problem is that they want to dress up MRA issues in a way that appeals to the masses. The deck is stacked against them in numerous ways. So, in the end this ends up dividing men. That said, I haven't gotten the impression that MRA in general are opposed to MGTOW. They don't stand for MGTOW but when I listen to people like Paul Elam speak it seems clear that they understand why people make this choice and are supportive of it. Now, I can't say anything for the subreddit. Reddit in gen…
/r/MGTOW221/01/21 01:19 PM
2

If Republicans had control for long enough I think you'd see more of the tradcon element get more intrusive. They're just the lesser evil because they effectively are the opposition force today. They're also more than happy to increase government spending in ways that will eventually come back to haunt everybody, unless you plan to move to Thailand or something. The Democrats are worse because they have popular momentum behind them, so they can actually enact the authoritarian measures they stan…
/r/MGTOW221/01/21 01:16 PM
1

So, I think that the traditional father role wasn't as good for men as people think it was. It made more sense in the era of child farm labor, since children were an immediate economic boon to the father. Of course, you never hear that romanticized. That said, traditional views of marriage today are a complete trap. The Republican family-orientation generates nice platitudes and sounds nice in a Sunday morning sermon. However, the reality is that legally these marriages are presided over by cour…
/r/MGTOW221/01/21 01:13 PM
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Trump supporters fall into a lot of different categories. I think the reason he is popular with a lot of MGTOW has nothing to do with him actually doing anything for MGTOW. It was more of an enemy-of-my-enemy thing. When you see how the typical feminist's head explodes when they see Trump do anything, you end up rooting for him to a degree. Michael Moore (a man that certainly doesn't stand for traditional conservative values) described Trump as a Molotov cocktail aimed at the political establish…
/r/MGTOW221/01/21 01:05 PM
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Not sure if there is any practical way to actually test this, but I'm not sure it is anything intrinsic to female biology. I think it is just the result of gynocentrism. When you coddle somebody and tell them they're special from the time they're toddlers until they're about 30, they never learn basic lessons in adulthood. I suspect that if you treated a boy the same way they'd turn out the same. We're just wired to not want to treat boys that way - when an 8 year old boy cries our instincts are…
/r/MGTOW20/01/21 01:23 PM
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I've heard though that they're much more likely to not stick with it after graduation. In the US the loans are probably a factor that might make them stick it out more. Outside the US if there aren't loans I could see them doing 8 years of training and then working a year or two and some deciding that it is too stressful. For a woman the status of being a doctor isn't as impactful to their lifestyle as it is for a man.
/r/MGTOW19/01/21 08:20 PM
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It is just normal childish behavior. They don't think long-term, just immediate gratification. The ability to delay gratification is one of the biggest predictors of success in adulthood, and women are basically trained to be terrible at it by all the attention they get when they are young.
/r/MGTOW19/01/21 07:15 PM
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Well, either that or you better have a car with a really good tow capacity between you...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/01/21 07:00 PM
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What solipsism. You don't see MGTOW walking around whining about how society doesn't throw a MGTOW parade for them...
/r/MGTOW18/01/21 02:52 PM
1

It is easy when you write an entire essay as a single sentence.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/01/21 01:08 PM
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It seems like a lot of women conflate being an asshole with being strong or a leader/etc. Maybe those are the sorts of guys women are into, but the fact is that men are repulsed by that behavior in other men, let alone women. I've met plenty of guys I'd be willing to follow into a battle, and most of them were perfectly nice 99% of the time. Now, if you dropped the ball they'd call you out on it, but good leaders know that leading people means using all the tools in the toolbox, and not just the…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/01/21 01:06 PM
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I manage systems in a pretty niche domain that at least at my employer is flooded with women (who use the systems but generally don't manage them). I'd say people doing my particular job are mostly men, but there aren't a lot of them. Don't really want to go into more detail than that. The thing with IT is that the best way to get decent compensation is to combine it with some subject matter. If you're just a generic web developer you're going to have to work hard for that money. If you write th…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/01/21 06:26 PM
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Thanks - I had no idea african spider man was a thing. Japanese Spider man is amazing though!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/01/21 06:18 PM
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Pretty sure they're not the first ones to come up with the profession of pimping...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/01/21 03:21 PM
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Yup. I'm sure it is like acting. You have a few dozen big-name stars who make millions per year, and then you have tens of thousands of wannabes who are lucky to get paid $2k/yr for commercials or whatever. It is the same effect. I can spend two hours watching Iron Man, or I can spend two hours watching some low-budget amateur production. Why wouldn't I watch the better movie? Well, if some model is charging $10/month for Onlyfans, and some 40 year old desperate single mother is charging the sam…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/01/21 03:20 PM
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Unless you literally have a quota for number of former sex workers it is going to be almost impossible to make something like this happen. This stuff is just a problem waiting to happen. Now, the scenario in that meme would never happen that way. Only a moron tells a candidate that they're being rejected because of something like this. You just do the background research on the candidate in private, and you just don't hire them for something like this. If they ask why you give them the generic B…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/01/21 03:17 PM
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I mean, it might happen, but those guys will be out of a job VERY quickly. And most companies don't have soundproof offices with complete privacy and plenty of room where a pretty young woman disappearing for an hour or two wouldn't be noticed, along with a locked door and nobody answering it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/01/21 03:12 PM
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I ended up in an area of the company that must be 80+% women. This is by far the easiest job of my career. I have to be careful to stay out of the intrigue, but simply getting some work done and actually showing up to work while everybody is losing their heads over an election/riot/whatever gets quietly noticed. I'm constantly hearing women at work complain about each other, and heaven forbid one of them thinks they're being treated unfairly they go on and on forever about it. I can't remember t…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/01/21 03:06 PM
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There are ways to do UBI that work, not that they'll ever happen. One doesn't require any taxes and is 100% voluntary (money-wise). Sterilize everybody in a reversible fashion at puberty. Then to have children you have to pay a fee, which goes into a UBI insurance pool. The newborn child will receive UBI for life. The fee would obviously be very large, but in a generation 100% of the population will receive UBI, and nobody has to pay a penny for it unless they want to have kids. As a side benefi…
/r/MGTOW215/01/21 02:28 PM
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I think it can make sense since in theory it pays for itself with later tax revenue. What I'd probably do is: Do all the stuff above. You graduate in debt to the government for your education. It wouldn't be nearly as expensive as today since costs would be regulated, and you'll have a degree in a serious subject so you have opportunity to pay it back. At any point you can pay your debt and you're free and clear. Half of the taxes you earn from this point on will be credited towards your debt, s…
/r/MGTOW215/01/21 12:32 AM
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To be fair she probably needs them more.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/01/21 08:51 PM
3

Yeah, I don't really have a problem with the onlyfans thing. I think it is eventually doomed to be replaced by sex robots, but if simps want to pay somebody for attention, it at least gives them what they're looking for. It is just the free market making sex work more efficient.
/r/MGTOW214/01/21 05:09 PM
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Yup. I forget which content creator pointed it out, but young attractive women are one of the most valued commodities on the planet. If they have any brains they can write their own tickets - for a few years. Now, plenty of them just are content to hang out with the cute broke guy at the bar until their value is gone, but they have tons of better options. A 20 year old model who even puts in a modest effort towards their appearance can make a fortune on these sites if she just puts in a little e…
/r/MGTOW214/01/21 04:42 PM
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Yup. With sex the woman actually has to be physically present, which means that even the bottom 10% of women are still in demand. With photos one hot woman can sell the same image to millions of guys, and that happens 24x7 even after she retires. Sure, guys like some variety, but even 50 super-hot women are way more than are needed to satisfy every guy in the country if they're just consuming photo/video.
/r/MGTOW214/01/21 04:38 PM
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Yup, and that is the reality of digital distribution. Hot woman posts a photo, she can sell that one photo to every thirsty guy on the planet. Just look at Hollywood. You have a few dozen big-name actors who make millions per year. And then you have tens of thousands of wannabe performing arts majors who work at Starbucks and if they're lucky they get paid $1000 to be an extra on some set with a speaking part. Onlyfans will make serious money for a few popular people at the top. Then there will …
/r/MGTOW214/01/21 04:33 PM
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That's the thing. If literally all you do is post photos, then why would anybody pay $10/mo for your ugly photos when they can pay $10/mo for some model's photos? The ones who rack in the big cash also interact more, and they're models besides. You can't just phone in online sex work unless you're the hottest woman on the planet. Unlike in-person prostitution one supermodel can have a million subscribers.
/r/MGTOW214/01/21 02:17 PM
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There are countries that have free college, and it can make sense, but they don't do it this way. Here is what they generally do: It isn't available to everybody. You actually have to qualify academically. They don't waste money sending people to college who won't benefit from it. Many regulate the degrees that are supported this way. This isn't about having 6 years to party while being undeclared for a while and then finishing with a useless degree. This is about educating future engineers/etc …
/r/MGTOW214/01/21 02:14 PM
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There are a few series that are somewhat decent that I watch. Though that is getting harder as everything gets more and more woke.
/r/MGTOW14/01/21 02:06 PM
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They’re not like us, they’ve never experienced women IRL... Now, now, I have it on good authority that "everybody has sex..."
/r/MGTOW14/01/21 02:05 PM
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This is also how women end up being unable to compete with sex dolls. Women plaster so much makeup onto their faces that they look like dolls. Then they just do starfish sex because there is always another guy willing to put up with that. Then they suddenly wonder why after making themselves both look and act like plastic dolls that they end up being replaced by plastic dolls.
/r/MGTOW14/01/21 01:58 PM
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Yup. The thing that will change this is when AI gets to the point where a chatbot can keep up. That might also take the form of a hybrid system where you have humans doing some of the interaction, combined with an AI generating the images. At that point companies could profit from OnlyFans with the sorts of effort they put into running their online chat support systems. Simp pays $x/month, and that gets them y minutes per month of interaction 24x7 with a virtual partner who never sleeps and is a…
/r/MGTOW14/01/21 01:56 PM
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Yes, but if Warren broke a crime while doing so, she isn't going to get punished for it. If you do the same, you will be. Don't create a heap of trouble for yourself just to prove a point. The hypocrites don't care. Heck, half of the folks that are right-leaning won't care either. In a situation like this you want to be the gray man. Get the benefits your taxes paid for, legally, with the least fuss and attention.
/r/MGTOW14/01/21 12:56 AM
1

I'm not sure I would go with Native American without checking regs. Maybe it is ok to identify as the race but not a particular tribe. I only mention that because Native American tribes actually get specific carve-outs in laws because of reservations/etc and there is probably a process to get identified as belonging to a particular tribe. Best to pick a race without that baggage, but maybe native american is OK if you don't claim any tribal affiliation. As far as picking races goes, I think that…
/r/MGTOW13/01/21 08:03 PM
1

https://abc7ny.com/medusa-statue-sculpture-luciano-garbati-me-too-movement/7001582/
/r/MGTOW13/01/21 07:20 PM
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Yes: https://abc7ny.com/medusa-statue-sculpture-luciano-garbati-me-too-movement/7001582/ The articles just refer to the "criminal court" but if you look up other photos the building directly behind the statue is clearly recognizable as the family court building.
/r/MGTOW13/01/21 07:20 PM
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Oh, I agree, but you can still get a lot further with the secure device. What you describe is basically how all my employer's laptops are configured. For employees with access to sensitive data going to sensitive regions (cough...China...) IT will image a very generic PC, give them a new temp login with minimal access, and pre-populate it with whatever data is essential for the trip. Really though I try to use TPM-backed encryption for every portable device I take out of my house. This sort of t…
/r/MGTOW213/01/21 07:13 PM
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If you MUST do it that way then at least use VMs or something. Really though connecting to work via your home PC is just asking for trouble. Work gets virus from your PC, they're ticked. You get virus from work, you're ticked. There is a problem, who deals with it? Your employer shouldn't want you doing this either. If they're emailing confidential company info to your gmail account or you're downloading it to your PC, that is just a ticking time bomb until the company ends up with a leak that c…
/r/MGTOW213/01/21 06:01 PM
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you are not forced to come here or any other site So, this is still frustrating because I don't want to live like a hermit in the middle of nowhere. Most of my socialization is online, and it is hard to find people that aren't constantly getting into politics, and it seems like 80% of them have a viewpoint that I find annoying. Now, they're free to talk about what they want to talk about, of course. It is just really frustrating, because my choices are either to try to converse with them about o…
/r/MGTOW211/01/21 08:19 PM
3

Yup. Really after November I've always thought that the real question was who would deliver the next State of the Union address.
/r/MGTOW11/01/21 02:20 PM
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Seriously, if you MUST do face-to-face at least have the brains to do it in public somewhere. Right now she's being nice to try to keep him around - or at least keep him around until SHE has the next guy lined up. Once there is no hope of salvaging things, her next best option is to maximize what she gets out of the divorce. An easy way to throw him off guard is to call the police. So then instead of him having the lawyer serve papers after the moving van pulls out while she is at work, now he i…
/r/MGTOW210/01/21 09:56 PM
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I don't think it is wise to stay in the house, but I would DEFINITELY check with a lawyer. There may be ways to mitigate any arguments for abandonment. I've seen notices from lawyers given to spouses saying that they're leaving the family home for the sake of peace but not to abandon them yadda yadda. I have no idea what the requirements are to make something like that work, so talk to a lawyer. The problem with just sticking in the house is that she can basically call the police any time and ha…
/r/MGTOW210/01/21 09:50 PM
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Somehow you don't strike me as the sort of person who decided that Trump did horrible things this week. :) As far as I can tell the only thing he's done is express his opinion that the election was fraudulent, and asked people to show up in DC for a rally. I don't think he is on the record anywhere as endorsing violence. Ok, maybe he downplayed the violence as it happened a bit, which is basically par for the course with politicians for the last year. Not a good thing, but hardly news. The peopl…
/r/MGTOW209/01/21 07:07 PM
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I'm skeptical that it was much different 1000 years ago. And if men were desensitized to it 100 years ago, why not 1000 years ago? In any case I'm not suggesting that biology has changed in the last thousand years. I think we're just noticing it more. That is partially because of the Internet, and it is partially because we can afford to live on our own, which has made the problems both more obvious and easier to stop ignoring.
/r/MGTOW09/01/21 01:37 PM
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they wouldn't be able to hide their disgust for all men past a certain point They hide that disgust pretty well today, so why not in the past? And beyond a certain point they do reveal it. Why do you think so many married couples don't have sex? huMAN had a good video where he basically talks about women leaving relationships because they get tired of faking it.
/r/MGTOW09/01/21 12:56 AM
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The natural woman in your mind, I do not think would have survived for most of human history. I think that women have been like this for all of history. The only thing that has changed is their options. In the past women needed beta bucks to survive. Today they don't. They never wanted the men they ended up with (for the most part) - it was just the best they could do and so they made the most of it. Lots of people don't like their jobs, and yet they don't quit. They've just figured out the job …
/r/MGTOW08/01/21 09:11 PM
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Why would you care what women love or not unless you are making them the center of your universe? I don't care. I was just responding to your statement that if a woman detects weakness it is probably due to how he opened up. No, she detects weakness because the man isn't convincingly pretending to be perfect. That's all there is to it. There is no way that a man can genuinely "open up" with a woman and not mar his image in her eyes. At least not for the vast majority of women. And if there is th…
/r/MGTOW08/01/21 12:51 PM
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Maybe there is that mythical unicorn in Thailand who will love to hear you open up. Most women are repulsed by it. Women want the healthiest man they can find. When they see one man revealing his weakness and another man not doing it, they have a primal urge to reject the weak man. Of course the other man isn't perfect, but this is about feelings. The grass seems greener on the other side of the fence, and that is as much thought as it gets. Stardusk put it well. A man in a relationship is audit…
/r/MGTOW08/01/21 02:21 AM
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Yeah, that drives me nuts. My wife would always tell me that she wanted me to be more emotionally expressive. Duh, why do you think she liked me in the first place - because I was steady and reliable while her entire life was a mess. My mother would encourage me to talk about my problems, and then would get upset anytime I would do so and didn't want me to be a "momma's boy." Never open up to a woman. They'll complain about it, and encourage you to do it, but you'll never hear the end of it if y…
/r/MGTOW08/01/21 02:12 AM
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More likely that they'll just have some kind of tax. That will give them money, but obviously they'll still be lonely. Expect lots of government funding for mental health. That said it is doomed to fail for them. The progressives are all pushing for "no gendered language" and gender is a social construct, and anybody can be on the women's sports team if they say they're a woman. I say more power to them. That will be our ticket out of this mess when a law gets passed saying that single men need …
/r/MGTOW07/01/21 11:46 AM
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That's why I favor the "virgin-plus" method of vetting... 15% or so isn't enough by itself. I'm more in favor of the "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" method of vetting. Just don't get married and then you'll probably not end up divorced. I don't really see the benefit of marrying anyway - it offers almost no benefits other than the ability to get divorced, if you consider that a benefit. Everything else is easily arranged by a contract.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/21 11:09 PM
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Yup, I used to be Christian and it seemed like women exclusively met their boyfriends at the local bar and then dragged them into church. They had zero interest in the sorts of guys who were actually interested in being there for reasons other than pleasing their girlfriends. Women love the atmosphere of church, but very few of them care for the morality (except when it comes to giving to those in need and they're the one in need). It is just another safety net for them, and maybe a place to mee…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/01/21 09:10 PM
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Maybe they could look for a relationship at a church. As if the guys at church aren't interested in sex. Even if they aren't having sex before marriage, they probably would want sex after marriage. Of course, that is no guarantee that they'll receive it, and if they don't they're basically screwed because nobody is going to do anything about it. At least 100 years ago they might have been tradcon but if a husband complained to their priest/minister/whatever about their wife refusing to have sex …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/01/21 09:08 PM
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Eh, I can see why women don't care for men bringing up sex before they even have a date. However, you also have to look at why these men do it. The men she is engaging in conversation are the men that EVERY woman is engaging in conversation. They ALL want to go on dates with this guy, which he of course will end up paying for. So, he needs to narrow down the list and an easy way to do it is bring up sex so that he can find out which women he can get sex from, either without paying for a date at …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/01/21 08:59 PM
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These are of secondary importance. Her primary criteria is that she must find him sexually attractive based on his profile picture. The great majority of men will not pass this criteria. She will mindlessly swipe left on most men, some of whom would be honest, loyal, etc. She doesn't even realize she's doing it, because those men are basically invisible to her. When she asks WAATGM, she is asking WAATGM among the men that interest me and who actively pursue me?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/01/21 08:53 PM
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very few of those women get divorced Looking at the study below (I'm all ears if there are others worth looking at), the divorce rate for women who were married as virgins is 1/3 to 1/2 the rate of those who were not. Obviously a 10% 5-year divorce rate is better than a 30% divorce rate, but it is still quite large all things considered. We're talking 10% in the group that is most likely to have been religious/traditional/etc from the start. Then you have to consider the risks. We're not talking…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/01/21 06:42 PM
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Yup, society is basically killing the goose that laid the golden egg. I think this is also why we're seeing increasing trends towards collectivist thinking. We can't get organic growth when half the workers have no reason to work, so let's just start trying to get blood from a stone instead with taxes/etc. The beatings will continue until morale improves. Marriage was so prevalent across so many cultures because it provided a competitive advantage TO THE SOCIETY. A culture with marriage would ou…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/01/21 06:33 PM
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Oh, I agree. My point is that this post seemed to think that somehow weaving, baking, and sewing were invented by or dominated by women. Now, at a domestic level this probably was true, but at a professional level these fields have almost certainly been dominated by men historically. Sewing today probably is the one on this list that is actually more dominated by women/children where it is done manually, and I'd consider that actual skilled work (not super-high-skill, but I'm sure the 8 year old…
/r/MGTOW29/12/20 01:15 PM
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LOL, which exceptional women are you talking about? There have been exceptional women in many fields. I doubt they were any more prevalent in fields like baking/weaving/etc.
/r/MGTOW29/12/20 12:25 PM
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Actually, some of the earliest forms of programmable devices were looms - which adopted punch cards around 1804. However, like all the other professions in this tweet, these devices were invented by men. Women were probably used widely as machine operators with looms, but I suspect all the setup and management was done by men. The same is true of all of these professions. While women might have baked some bread at home, I imagine most professional bakers were men. That is largely true today as w…
/r/MGTOW29/12/20 12:22 PM
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How many ancient women did? I suspect that most of the advances in all of those areas were made by men. Yes, women did some of this work domestically, but I imagine most professional weavers, bakers, and tailors were men.
/r/MGTOW29/12/20 12:09 PM
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Oh, I thought that was the name of her unborn child. Not sure that makes it sound any less cringey.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/12/20 11:49 PM
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Well, that and because we have an oversupply of teachers. Now, you could fix that by raising the standards for those hired so that only the best and brightest end up being teachers. However, that is pretty repugnant to the sorts who make those decisions and who are already teachers. So instead you have the typical union seniority system. Unpaid interns are basically a way to require seniority before getting a paycheck at all, and of course once you do get a paycheck it is miniscule. That NY teac…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/12/20 11:23 PM
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Ok, any career which requires hundreds of hours of free interning is obviously going to be an issue. Really anytime I see a career where interns are unpaid my first thought is that they obviously have an oversupply of labor, so why would I want to go into that?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/12/20 08:14 PM
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I don't think the main barriers are certification/etc. I think in practice the issues are: If you're any good at anything practical (STEM/etc) then you can probably make more money with less fuss elsewhere. That matters more to most men because money = social status for men. If all your coworkers and managers are women that probably isn't going to be a great environment to be the only man in. You need to watch your step because you'll get zero sympathy anywhere for not towing the party line. Thi…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/12/20 07:35 PM
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Isn't part of the problem peoples' stupidity? Sure, but LOTS of people are stupid, and they don't seem to have any problems getting sex. That, and antibiotic resistance is basically inevitable - the best we can do is try to minimize it so that each antibiotic is useful for as long as possible, and so that your odds of catching a bug resistant to multiple antibiotics is reduced.
/r/MGTOW28/12/20 02:21 PM
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How much do you want to bet that the 8 years is how long her alimony lasted and now Chad wants her to get a job.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/12/20 02:17 PM
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Just one more reason why men don't end up in teaching any longer.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/12/20 02:14 PM
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Red Pill
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/12/20 02:31 PM
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Would be an interesting study to see for sure. Yeah, you won't ever see such a study done, or at least published, unless it is designed to ensure it gives non-controversial results. There are so few studies on RP topics because why would any researcher want to make themselves unemployable?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/12/20 10:32 PM
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Might not be as relevant if you already have programs for free education/retraining/etc. It does make sense to pair education with military discharge though. A lot of people benefit from a bit of structure/discipline if they're struggling with launching into adulthood. The military is pretty good at taking kids with basically no skills and putting them into professional roles, increasing responsibility, and so on. That can put them into a framework where they'll get a lot more out of an educatio…
/r/MGTOW26/12/20 07:11 PM
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Really loans don't make much sense all-around: If they're conventional (dischargeable in bankruptcy, no guarantees, etc), then nobody is going to issue them to kids without a co-signer. That basically means that they'll only go to wealthy families if that, and they don't really need assistance. Plenty of bright kids are born to poor families and they will end up delivering pizza which is a loss for society. Those with higher incomes ALREADY pay more in taxes, so you already have a system for rec…
/r/MGTOW26/12/20 02:21 PM
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LOL - I have one who was divorced, widowed, and then he handed a bunch of money to a girlfriend to improve her home so that maybe he could move in with her, and of course they aren't seeing each other now. The guy is actually pretty good with money in general, and owns one business and is a partner in another. Guys who are otherwise pretty smart can be complete morons when it comes to women. So on the one hand don't feel too bad if this describes you, but on the other hand get your head out of t…
/r/MGTOW26/12/20 01:15 PM
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Yeah, if you're contemplating divorce, find a competent attorney, and do what they say. Yes, it won't be as emotionally satisfying, but it will probably be a lot cheaper in the long run. Most likely it won't involve revealing to her that you know she is cheating while you're still living with her, and thus in a situation where she can just make one phone call and have you hauled to jail and cost you $10k in legal fees, and while you're dealing with this she's laying the groundwork to screw you i…
/r/MGTOW26/12/20 01:12 PM
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"Fishy" implies that the problem isn't completely obvious. There are no situations where it makes financial sense to co-sign a loan. When you co-sign a loan you're basically making yourself into a lender, and you're not receiving interest in compensation. I get why people do it for family, but it is almost always a bad idea. Well, with student loans the US taxpayers are the co-signer. About the only criteria for receiving one of these loans is having a pulse, and parents willing to sign the FAFS…
/r/MGTOW26/12/20 12:55 PM
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they then formed their own girls troop separate from the boys To be fair, that was actually what BSA came up with. There are no mixed Boy Scout troops (other than Explorers, which were mixed decades ago). Women are only part of new troops that are women-only. It makes complete sense - you can imagine the liability issues for just about everybody involved when you mix genders in something like this. Plus it would be one giant distraction. I don't know how they handle access to facilities or event…
/r/MGTOW25/12/20 11:40 PM
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More than 20 years ago one of my professors said he thought that they should simply make education free but that you would sign over a percentage of your earnings for the next 30 years or whatever. That would make it accessible to everybody, and it would also make colleges far more discriminating about who they admit and how serious they were about actually giving them a genuine education (instead of feel-good feedback which was already becoming a problem at that time).
/r/MGTOW25/12/20 10:26 PM
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If they are handing out loans to kids, then they are part of the problem. The other part of the problem, is the kids parents agreeing to this stupidity. The government guarantees the loans. The banks can't lose money. In fact, if the students default the government makes their payments, AND it pays the banks an additional fee to try to collect back the money from the students. So the banks actually make more money if the loans aren't paid back as agreed. The government program is the problem her…
/r/MGTOW25/12/20 10:23 PM
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I immediately think someone studied art history and is resentful. Look, if somebody wants to pay $50k for a useless degree, then I have no problem with that, and I could care less whether they're resentful or whether they whine about it all day to anybody who wants to listen. Where I have a problem is when they ask ME to pay for their useless degree. I actually think that investing CAREFULLY in education makes sense as a government policy since JUDICIOUS investments are likely to pay for themsel…
/r/MGTOW25/12/20 10:17 PM
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I would also add that the longer I've been mgtow (going on a decade now) I care less about the dramas of life Yeah. The Tao of MGTOW really comes to mind here. Yes, there is insanity out there, and it will probably get worse. However, a man who is not seeking to please others is fairly unencumbered and best able to navigate these problems. Even though we might be actively opposed, we are too agile, and not the ones worth anybody's trouble to catch. Don't try to swim back upstream - to try to mak…
/r/MGTOW25/12/20 02:33 AM
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This is why the key to happiness is not giving two shits what either group thinks...
/r/MGTOW25/12/20 02:22 AM
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For one, women have been conditioned with the lie that in their youth, they can have anything they want, and the State/society will condone it, up to even allowing it. The problem is that this isn't actually a lie - it is the truth, at least until they hit the wall. Women get quite a few privileges even after hitting the wall though far fewer than before.
/r/MGTOW21/12/20 11:41 PM
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I mean, seriously, would you? There is nothing you could do to stop something like this - she would just somebody else to fill out the birth certificate. All you can do is flush your career down the toilet if you complain. Welcome to clown world. Just put on your red nose before you head out to work and take a shower when you get home if it makes you feel dirty.
/r/MGTOW20/12/20 10:39 PM
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Hardest part is unsubbing all the woke default subs - unless there is some way to do that faster...
/r/MGTOW20/12/20 10:37 PM
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That's a really good point. I mean, we're all susceptible to conditioning like this, but women are often driven by emotions and so I'd think they'd be even moreso. Random reward schedules are the best way to get anybody hooked on anything...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/12/20 10:26 PM
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Uh, it is the person BUYING the bond that earns the interest and fees. As in you pay $100 for a bond and the government pays you back $110. That doesn't necessarily make it a great deal, but war bonds never cost the purchasers money in the net. The main issues are that you could have gotten more money investing elsewhere, or that the bond might pay less than the inflation rate in interest. That is more of a risk if the term is long.
/r/MGTOW220/12/20 08:34 PM
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That, and women didn't have as many options if they did get divorced, so even if they were cheating they couldn't rub it in their husband's faces. Plus not having sex with your spouse was grounds for at-fault divorce, which basically meant losing just about everything you owned. Since there was such a strong incentive to marry back then, it also resulted in a pairing off phenomenon. Sure, everybody wanted to be with the captain of the football team, but he could only marry one woman. He got his …
/r/MGTOW220/12/20 08:03 PM
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In practice the purpose of strict liability is so that the court can throw the book at anybody it wishes, and prosecutorial discretion to let others off. Gynocentrism trumps the law. That is why it isn't adequate to merely have gender-neutral laws. If they're over-reaching then they'll be applied against men and waived against women.
/r/MGTOW18/12/20 09:38 PM
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Well, a decade ago the nice guys were still lining up. These days there probably still are plenty doing so, but I think the red pill is starting to make more serious inroads. I was that guy and definitely paid the price for it. Fortunately I got off easier than a lot of guys do. Having been burned by that stove I definitely won't be touching it again. Hats off to the guys who are learning from my and other men's examples.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/12/20 04:58 PM
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Yeah, nothing wrong with being inspired by going through a personal problem. However, when half of the people delivering therapy have mental health diagnoses themselves. It would be like finding out that 90% of cardiologists have heart disease.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/12/20 05:57 PM
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Yeah, there is nothing intrinsically unscientific about the CONCEPT of psychology. It is always going to struggle since it approaches the problem of individual behavior/motivations/etc which are hard to measure empirically, though you can use statistics to look at how people behave on average and use that as a starting point. Arguably it should become a harder and harder science over time as our understanding of the biology of the brain improves, and if we can bridge the gap between neurology an…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/12/20 04:04 PM
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Well, I think the issue with her, and almost all cases of WAATGM, is that her expectations don't match her attractiveness. Personality is just one element of attractiveness. Almost any woman can attract men. What varies is what kinds of men they can attract, and for what kinds of relationship. A woman can always attract a more desirable man to have sex than she can attract to have a relationship. If a woman improves herself (personality, appearance, interests, whatever) she is going to attract a…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/12/20 03:03 PM
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Women like this are their bread and butter. I don't feel bad for the therapists - they're getting paid. My guess is that the failure to get results is a result of two factors, probably both significant: Half the advice they give is probably blue-pilled and won't get their patient anywhere. The other half of their advice is probably genuinely useful, and the patient will ignore it. As far as I can tell getting any kind of mental health care as a guy is a dumpster fire. To start most of the provid…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/12/20 02:47 PM
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There are still guys who would date her. Those are the ones she describes as having "no chemistry." There is ALWAYS a guy willing to bail a woman out - that's why there are so few homeless women out there. They don't want just any guy - they deserve the guy of their dreams just like the woman who spends 2 hours a day in the gym.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/12/20 02:29 PM
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I'm sure some half-decent guys that she hasn't slept with managed to leak into that count...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/12/20 02:14 PM
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Bro, be wise, college is all blue pilled. If you fight or stand your ground in college as a man a thousand simps will come running to put you down. Yup. If you're going to go to college, be prepared to keep your thoughts to yourself for a couple of years. If you think that is unreasonable, then don't go to college. Going to college and then speaking up is basically paying a large organization to abuse you. You'll be kicked out, have your reputation publicly smeared, and you'll be out tens of tho…
/r/MGTOW15/12/20 12:44 PM
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Oh, I agree. I was just explaining what it was. IMO Heinlein does have a bit of a point around the idea of service being a pre-requisite for some rights like the right to vote, but in his conception it was never mandatory. I'm not sure I entirely agree with him either - there are probably other ways to accomplish similar goals, though I do agree with him that suffrage shouldn't be universal. I do think that everybody should have the OPPORTUNITY to EARN suffrage, though even that will have practi…
/r/MGTOW14/12/20 07:15 PM
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I doubt that most guys these days are planning on having kids. From an evolutionary standpoint this is WHY we're attracted to the women we're attracted to. However, it isn't a conscious thing. Women shrivel up as they get older because 100k years ago a tribe with shriveled up older women ends up focusing its energy on protecting young women of reproductive age, and thus pumps out more kids. If a tribe had a mutation that resulted in women looking pretty at age 50, then guys in that tribe would s…
/r/MGTOW14/12/20 05:07 PM
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Sounds like Germany from the text, though Google suggests the term is Austrian (could be used in both countries). He was talking about mandatory service, which is one step higher than the draft. The US has never had mandatory service as far as I'm aware, but some countries do. This is where some portion of the population is required to serve in the military (subject to exceptions/etc). In some countries that includes women, in others it sounds like it does not. This is usually driven by security…
/r/MGTOW14/12/20 04:22 PM
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Yeah, there is a reason 20 year old women are largely oblivious to the red pill and all that. For them dating/etc is completely effortless. They show up, and the guys do all the work, and they just take their pick. The only time women stop to think about this stuff is when the party ends...
/r/MGTOW14/12/20 02:52 PM
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Yup, because 51% of the population is a minority, for reasons...
/r/MGTOW13/12/20 09:51 PM
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If you don't go the MGTOW route, just know that you don't have to marry your girlfriend, you don't have to give her a key to your house Uh, if you do those two things you already are MGTOW, whether you want to call yourself that or not...
/r/MGTOW13/12/20 03:12 PM
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Such an approach only works for very small businesses where the owner can personally do all the hiring and it is too small to attract attention. If you delegate hiring authority then those people will end up bringing in women. If you tell them not to, then they'll testify to this in court and you will lose your business. The only way this sort of thing works is plausible deniability. If you don't write this policy down or communicate it to anybody else, then nobody can use it against you in cour…
/r/MGTOW12/12/20 10:25 PM
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Yeah, there is nothing wrong with just saying objectively "you aren't the best." If the guy doesn't want to hear that he probably shouldn't ask. I mean, if I asked a girl "am I the tallest guy you've dated," what am I expecting her to say? I either am or I am not. The problem is if it is a hang-up for her. Sorry, every guy you meet is probably not going to be the best you've ever experienced in every category. He can't be the best in bed, the tallest, the strongest, the fastest, the wealthiest, …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/12/20 08:02 PM
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He probably wasn't even "better in bed" - it's just that she was more turned on by his caveman persona Yeah, sex is part the mechanics (which you can genuinely better/worse at). It is also part the person you're with. If you take a porn star's brain and stick it in a morbidly obese body, you're not going to get the same experience. That is just as true for men as for women. What varies is the sorts of attributes that are attractive. So if two guys perform the exact same acts with the same physic…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/12/20 07:22 PM
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Yeah, I've heard others say the same thing - might have been Stardusk. They basically are creating a super-man in their mind that literally nobody can compete with. They judge every man by his worst attributes basically. It makes sense from an evolutionary psychology standpoint, but it basically means that most long-term relationships are doomed. If you were Brad Pit they would think of that ONE thing that somebody somewhere could do better than him. Nobody is the best at EVERYTHING.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/12/20 06:37 PM
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Honestly, it wasn't a particularly subtle troll. They're just completely oblivious if they didn't recognize it as such. Apparently they are...
/r/MGTOW10/12/20 03:26 PM
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That's how it goes. Single moms act like they are the prize because they can afford it. Foolish, thirsty men are everywhere online. This works if they want an onlyfans sub (or equivalent). But then these same women whine about the guys who reply. At least on twitch/onlyfans/etc they know how to convert people to paying customers. If you want a guy who you'll be generally satisfied with you're going to have to work harder to be worth his time.
/r/MGTOW10/12/20 03:25 PM
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Certainly true, but I think there is actually a more general lesson about the problems with filtering. I think it applies to more than just dating and women's standards. I'll start by explaining what is going on with dating and then talk about the bigger lesson for all of us. First, here is why women do what they do. A woman sets up a generic profile and gets 500 messages/likes/whatevers per day from thirsty guys. She perceives that her problem is that she needs to narrow that down to a manageab…
/r/MGTOW10/12/20 02:54 PM
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While I share the sentiment, this really makes me question my investing strategy...
/r/MGTOW10/12/20 01:55 PM
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That depends on where they live. It is still best to avoid - common law marriage is one risk. Domestic violence accusations is another. Getting kicked out of your own home is a MAJOR inconvenience, though obviously not nearly as bad as a divorce. And of course laws can change. What might not constitute common law marriage could be changed if a law passes. Your previous time spent might get grandfathered in, and if you don't pay close attention to such things you might not notice in time. Even if…
/r/MGTOW10/12/20 12:19 PM
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Yeah, if I were ever contemplating a relationship a vasectomy would be the first thing on my mind.
/r/MGTOW10/12/20 12:14 PM
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I guess I'll be somewhat contrarian on Dave Ramsey. My thoughts on Dave Ramsey can be summed up in something I've heard numerous other say: "Dave Ramsey gives great advice for people who are terrible with money, and terrible advice for people who are good with money." If you're struggling with debt, then do everything he says. His advice isn't always technically optimal, but it really works well psychologically and that probably matters a lot more. Once you're at a point where you have your debt…
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 04:49 PM
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It is also a branding message to her friends. Yes, the guys who date me are uglier than the guys who date you. However, they're smart! So I'm just as good a woman as you. If she could attract the attractive guys she would prefer them. This is the whole "you can't fire me I quit" posturing. She is trying to signal that she could attract ANY man but is CHOOSING which men she wants. In reality she is settling for what she can get, and just trying to sell those men as being more attractive to her th…
/r/MGTOW09/12/20 03:53 PM
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people are biologically driven to have sex ... It is more than - it just feels good. Well, ultimately emotions seem to be synonymous with biological drives. Emotions are just how we perceive the more animalistic part of our brain expressing itself. I agree that most people are going to follow their emotions on this one. That is why MGTOW is ultimately an individual thing. It isn't some kind of solution for society - it is just the best reaction an individual can have to the reality that surround…
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 02:36 PM
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That's a really good point, though this hardly makes me feel inspired to turn my genitals into an inoculating loop...
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 01:52 PM
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Yeah, I'll agree with that, though if you're having sex with any regularity it seems inevitable that you'll end up catching stuff like this. Really it comes down to risks and benefits. To me the risks are a lot more tangible than the benefits. Ok, so sex feels good. I'm sure lots of other things I don't do also feel good. A bit of epicureanism never hurt...
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 02:06 AM
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I didn't think that condoms protected against some STDs, like HPV.
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 01:33 AM
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Yeah, the direct costs of the kids are only the tip of the iceberg. I've been of the mindset that the best solution (which will NEVER happen) is to just reversibly sterilize everybody before puberty. Sure, that would cost some money but it would have an insane ROI. At the very least if you want to have a kid you would need to show up sober to some office and apply to do so, and have both candidate parents sign on the line. Maybe require a two day waiting period as well at which point both people…
/r/MGTOW208/12/20 02:05 PM
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You don't have to apologize for being a decent human being. Yes, it is dumb to marry a single mother. However, if you happen to already be married to a single mother, and you have a relationship with the kids, then who is anybody on this sub to tell you you're not allowed to freely choose to support those kids if you want to? If I want to spend my money on a new car, that's my business. If I want to spend my money on a vacation, that's my business. If I want to invest my money, that's my busines…
/r/MGTOW208/12/20 01:35 PM
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There aren't many studies that examine paternity fraud, but I think the few that do find MUCH higher rates than 1/75. That's why so many countries make it hard to detect - they know that they'd have an insane mess on their hands. If kids were routinely tested at birth then there would be a ton of divorces, and non-fathers would not way to pay child support, and then if the mother has no idea who the father is the state would end up having to pay for the kid. Best to just brush the problem under …
/r/MGTOW208/12/20 01:31 PM
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It can be done, but: You need a passport not under your name with another country to do it long-term. You can travel to SE Asia or whatever on a US passport before they start looking for you and disappear, and if the country isn't super-friendly with the US they won't tell on you, but your passport WILL expire and then you can't do anything without going to a US embassy. They will arrest you on contact. You need to have a pretty minimalist lifestyle or a TON of money they can't trace. If you're …
/r/MGTOW07/12/20 04:43 PM
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You'd also need to only use the phone in a location well-separated from where you live. Every time you use a cell phone the tower you use is going to be logged at the very least. They might even triangulate your position and store that (they're capable of it - though I'm not sure if they preemptively track that info unless you call 911 or there is some kind of warrant/order on file). Even if you use that phone once, it will show up if authorities pull a log of everybody who has called the father…
/r/MGTOW07/12/20 04:37 PM
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Some reactions to comments on that thread: This was so full of self pity... I can’t even begin to care about your circumstances with all the self pity... The one thing NOBODY can handle is the idea of a guy feeling sorry for himself. Yes, the reality is that a pity-party for yourself probably won't solve your problems. However, the idea that a guy might be upset about being treated horribly is just repugnant to almost everybody. How dare you not be a machine. I mean, sure, debate the morality of…
/r/MGTOW06/12/20 01:53 PM
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Sure, but while that case was a bit extreme, this is basically the reality of being a man in this situation. EVERYBODY will take her side, including your own family. I'm not sure his is the best solution except in the most extreme situations - unless you REALLY like camping/etc. You basically have to be near-homeless for the rest of your life to do it that way. Ghosting to another country is about the only way to have a higher standard of living if that is what you want, but that isn't easy at a…
/r/MGTOW06/12/20 01:28 PM
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There is definitely a sugar and spice and everything nice stereotype for women. The reality is that there are slobs and neat-freaks and everything in-between of both genders.
/r/MGTOW204/12/20 04:34 PM
2

Do you know that Donovan calls MGTOWs & Black Pills guys pathetic losers? I've heard that. They hate us, and here you are quoting him just because he spilled some red pill. Yup. And I don't have a problem with it. This isn't us-vs-them. The truth doesn't become contaminated because it comes out of the mouth of the unholy. I swear that this SJW nonsense is seeping into everything these days...
/r/MGTOW04/12/20 04:15 PM
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Uh, because whether a statement is right or not has nothing to do with who says it? And because it is polite to attribute somebody when you quote them? Donavan said something very true, and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that even if other things he says aren't true.
/r/MGTOW04/12/20 01:13 PM
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Too many people think with their parts and not their brain Well, keep in mind that is basically how they are genetically engineered to operate. I mean, if all the preying mantis males decided that becoming dinner for the privilege of having kids isn't a good deal, then the species would be extinct in a season. The only preying mantis males that reproduce are the ones willing to give up their lives for the cause, and so all the newborn preying mantises have this behavior baked into their genes. H…
/r/MGTOW04/12/20 01:10 PM
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Yeah, I don't listen to him much, but my impression is that if he is OK with MGTOW it is because MGTOW can also be PUA. Hey, if you want to do PUA have fun with that. I just think it is a ton of work, and a lot of risk, for little practical benefit. Sometimes these guys come off like members of some kind of chess club who want to brag about how good they are at playing chess, and then when somebody comments that they're not into chess they get all upset because somebody isn't super-impressed by …
/r/MGTOW04/12/20 01:02 PM
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It is a shame because people would really benefit from honest feedback. The problem is that in the US at least honest feedback will get you sued. So you give empty but polite feedback instead. Ditto when somebody gets fired at work. "We no longer require your services, here's your severance, and you can call this resume help service when you're ready. Good luck!" You'll never find out why you're being fired.
/r/MGTOW04/12/20 12:29 AM
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The issue with that is that when an employer spots something like this they don't document it. If I have a stack of resumes to go through, I don't go writing up at work that I'm not interviewing XYZ because of ABC. They just don't make the short list. If during the interview they give off the serial killer vibe, I don't write in my notes that they give off the serial killer vibe. I just nod at the other interviewers in the post-meeting and they just get quietly set-aside.
/r/MGTOW03/12/20 04:01 PM
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I have a relative who is a lawyer. Apparently social media can be a pretty entertaining part of their job as well. Plus they can use subpoenas. Hint to any would-be scammers out there: If you file a claim for a debilitating injury you can expect the defendant to subpoena your Facebook account, so if you have photos of your recent volleyball match on there you're going to get asked some questions...
/r/MGTOW03/12/20 03:52 PM
1

MGTOW is taking a common sense approach to self-improvement, with a small part of that being avoiding marriage and cohabitation. Gonna disagree on that one. MGTOW is avoiding marriage and cohabitation, full stop. It has nothing to do with self-improvement, though many MGTOW (and non-MGTOW) believe in self-improvement. It has nothing to do with women at all really. It certainly doesn't involve "hating" women, though, again, many MGTOW (and non-MGTOW) hate women. I disagreed with that MGTOW rules …
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 04:51 PM
17

a majority of women – say that dating has become harder in the last 10 years. Well, duh. For women dating gets harder basically every year after they reach maturity, and that has true since the beginning of time. Obviously no woman has personal experience in how dating as a 40 year old compares now vs 10 years ago. When they say that dating has gotten harder in the last 10 years what they're saying is that they're having a harder time dating as a 40 year old than they had as a 30 year old.
/r/MGTOW230/11/20 11:17 PM
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That's true to a point, but women still circle the wagons when the gravy train is threatened. They tend to think very collectively. They'll stab each other in the backs, but not when it comes time to vote on whether tampons ought to be free.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/11/20 05:22 PM
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Yeah, but half of these women have gender-studies degrees and low pay, and so they don't pay most of those taxes. There are a lot of things that DO need to be done to fix this mess, IMO: Just ditch these guaranteed loan programs entirely. They encourage people to make stupid decisions that the government ends up bailing out one way or another. They also drive up the cost of education, sending tons of money to administration which is inefficient. Let's stop the bleeding. Education is actually goo…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/11/20 05:20 PM
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I'll agree with that, though really the issue there is poor decision-making. It isn't like sub-freezing weather and thunderstorms just pop up without any warning. I was watching a video about a Cirrus running out of fuel recently, and that is just another example of poor flight planning. Then you see videos of fighters dropping flares due to pilots violating TFRs. All a lack of planning. Yes, spending 20min before each flight checking the weather and TFRs is a bit of a pain, but it makes mistake…
/r/MGTOW29/11/20 08:30 PM
18

10 years ago she was still going for guys she couldn't have attained. Women sleep with the best guys they can sleep with, and the guys she could get to commit are always a number of steps lower. The thresholds drop as she ages, but it will always be true that the caliber of guys you can get to sleep with you will be higher than those you can get to marry you.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/11/20 05:43 PM
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Women are all about the herd - it is a biological drive. There is safety in numbers. Nobody wants to see a woman suffer, and that means they have even less desire to see a LOT of women suffer. The more a woman fits into a herd, the less likely she is to suffer any consequences for her actions. If you take out $100k in student loans you're in trouble. If a large enough group does it then it is a national crisis and nobody will be held accountable.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/11/20 05:41 PM
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The answer is her mother chose poorly and projected her disdain for men on her. I'm not sure about that. I think for most women the issue is that they are no longer financially dependent on men, and so they have no reason to settle when they're younger. Back when parents basically locked their daughters up and they had few career prospects they had a lot of incentive to get married - then they could move out of their parents' house and have a lot more freedom. They couldn't afford to move out ot…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/11/20 05:38 PM
2

From what I've read on the topic, small aircraft safety falls into two categories: Owner-piloted Professionally-piloted I was referring to the former - lots of wealthy people, including modestly wealthy like doctors/dentists/etc, like to fly as a hobby. These flights tend to be MUCH less safe than commercial travel. The same is true of poor people flying small aircraft, but obviously the expense of flying results in an unusual percentage of those killed being more affluent. Professionally-pilote…
/r/MGTOW29/11/20 03:52 PM
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I have no idea what happened in his case specifically, but well-off people do a lot of dumb stuff. Look at how many die in small aircraft crashes.
/r/MGTOW29/11/20 12:23 AM
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I think all people are wired to seek the rush. Just look at how children behave - whether they're boys or girls they will throw tantrums to try to get what they want. The only difference is consequences. If you hold people accountable for bad decisions, most (but not all) will learn not to make them. If you bail them out, then they won't learn. Men learn that there is a price to be paid for following your emotions, and so most learn to delay gratification. We expect women to behave the same way,…
/r/MGTOW227/11/20 04:01 PM
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And there is certainly nothing wrong with this! :)
/r/MGTOW23/11/20 01:50 PM
2

While I would not base voting rights on gender, I would definitely require people to be responsible members of society in order to vote. Paying more in lifetime taxes than received lifetime benefits is a reasonable proxy for this, though there might be other ways to do it. I don't really see the harm in letting everybody own property. There isn't any harm from a 5 year old owning property, for example. There are lots of men as well as women who lack self-control, and they should be treated the s…
/r/MGTOW23/11/20 01:49 PM
10

Would you blame an alligator for biting you if you dangled your leg in front of it?
/r/MGTOW23/11/20 12:57 AM
9

I'm sure he gets it. Bargaining is a psychological thing. You know what reality is, but your brain wants to reject it because it was told for so long that it could have its fantasy. I'm not sure there really is anything you can do other than keep flooding your life with red-pill reminders. For most men, family, schools, friends, churches, the TV, books, movies, and just about everything has been spending decades indoctrinating them in the blue pill. It takes more than a few Sandman videos to rew…
/r/MGTOW222/11/20 12:44 AM
4

Yup, now that I have more money than I know what to do with I've actually started buying more shoes, but it is all pragmatic. Cheap shoes for everyday use, and nicer shoes for situations that need them (hiking in mud, working in heavy snow, the office, etc). The cheap shoes are so that I don't put unnecessary wear and tear on the expensive shoes. Even so it feels really weird to have more than 2 pairs of shoes. In the meantime my wife had rows on the floor, storage containers, organizers that hu…
/r/MGTOW222/11/20 12:41 AM
9

I forget who I heard make the joke: If a woman is ugly she needs to be prepared to live like a man: she's going to have to work for everything...
/r/MGTOW222/11/20 12:38 AM
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Google Financial Independence for a ton of info. A lot of it won't apply to single guys, but the general principles money-wise are it. The main key is to minimize your expenses. For every $1/year you don't spend, you need to save up $25 less. So, saving money and investment gains aren't nearly as important as cutting your expenses. Of course, cutting your expenses now is how you save up in the first place. Single guys who aren't trying to impress women can be happy without spending a lot of mone…
/r/MGTOW21/11/20 11:21 PM
18

Can't speak for Australia, but in most US states it is relatively easy. You just talk to your doctor, get a diagnosis for gender dysphoria (which basically is just handed out if you answer a few questions correctly - the doctor doesn't care, is getting paid, and doesn't want to get in trouble). Then you send that to the state and request a correction to your birth certificate. Then you send that in to get a new driver's license/passport/etc. Though you're generally already a woman as soon as you…
/r/MGTOW18/11/20 01:47 PM
2

Gotta imagine her revelation made the grieving process a lot easier...
/r/MGTOW18/11/20 12:47 PM
7

Stardusk talks about this from time to time. Men and women just are very different. They often have different hobbies, and they approach things differently. Relationships can be good in the sense that they help you to expand your horizons. However, they are often filled with conflict for the same reason. Put it another way: suppose you were chatting with a guy you bumped into and you found out his hobbies were sewing and misc crafts, and he spent much of his time chatting with friends about the …
/r/MGTOW18/11/20 12:34 PM
10

I don't think people staying together back then had anything to do with sleeping around. They stayed together because the laws and society forced them to. If a woman sought a divorce because she just wasn't happy, then the courts would have found her at fault. She wouldn't get custody of the children. She would get almost nothing in the way of money. She might end up having to pay child support to the father (not so sure about that). And that is just the legal consequences. Then her family would…
/r/MGTOW18/11/20 12:26 PM
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Yup. This is the problem with traditionalism. Yes, people didn't get divorced 100 years ago. However, this just meant that you were stuck in a marriage with a woman who didn't want to be there. That really isn't a pleasant way to live for most of your life. Sure, gynocentrism has gone off the rails today, but even though MGTOW is unpleasant for some, it really is better off than how many relationships end up being.
/r/MGTOW18/11/20 01:31 AM
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Well, I'm sure once upon a time they probably did a lot of good stuff. The problem is that these kinds of organizations always outlive their original mandate, or they creep. The ACLU is another example - once it was about free speech for everybody including people everybody disagreed with, and now it is just another left-wing mouthpiece. They won't come to the aid of anybody being censored on the right.
/r/MGTOW217/11/20 06:39 PM
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There are a bunch of problems with a "bachelor" tax. A bachelor is generally understood to be an unmarried man. Lots of women are unmarried and they're not going to want to be paying extra taxes, so you can't just target it at all unmarried people. The man part is problematic because of the whole trend towards gender-is-a-social-construct thing. If checking the male box on the tax form is going to cost me an extra $10k per year, and all it takes to check the female box is a note from my doctor a…
/r/MGTOW216/11/20 04:56 PM
4

Well, more that people are much more likely to watch content from the average woman. If you took the same script and gave it to an average man and an average woman to record, I guarantee that the woman would get a MUCH bigger response. The reality is that most content on any topic is fairly derivative, and MGTOW is no different. There is a ton of regurgitated MGTOW content. However, if you take a Sandman video's talking points, and just have an average woman dress up nicely (we're not even talki…
/r/MGTOW216/11/20 04:50 PM
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The economic impact of a single Mgtow is in the hundreds of thousands of $$ over the course of time. That, and it is really hard to stop. MGTOW are defined by the things they DON'T do. Unless they want to start assigning random women to every man to marry it is kind of hard to do anything about it. I don't see women lining up to be assigned incel husbands anytime soon... Since men tend to be fairly minimalist the bachelors benefit from progressive tax systems, etc. Oh, sure, the ones who earn mo…
/r/MGTOW216/11/20 02:49 PM
6

There is no reason people who disagree on politics can't be friends. However, US politics has become completely toxic and tribalized. People are lumped into identity groups and political party is just one more. If you're anti-abortion then you're anti-gun-control. If you're in favor of a public health insurance option, then you're in favor of student loan forgiveness. All kinds of completely unrelated issues get bundled together and you're a bad person if you don't tow the party line on every on…
/r/MGTOW15/11/20 06:37 PM
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I'm fairly centrist. I'm sympathetic to some of the arguments for stuff like healthcare/UBI/etc. Here's the problem: I don't trust US Democrats to create such systems. They're so infatuated with identity politics that their idea of something like UBI is just increasing amounts of free money for people who check various identity group boxes, and instead of being the near-zero-overhead system it is pitched as it will have an army of bureaucrats to make sure that it is "fair" and a ton of non-profi…
/r/MGTOW15/11/20 01:13 PM
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Their character flaw was daring to hit the like button I guess. :) I love the "bare minimum of equal stature" bit. Ie, she wants a man who contributes more to the relationship than her, and one who gives just as much is the "bare minimum."
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/11/20 01:04 PM
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Society is messed up enough that even if the votes were counted fairly, men would still get screwed. That's just gynocentrism. Oh, sure, maybe the details of how and when they get screwed would change, but the crazy train has no brakes. The problem is that the checks and balances on the system are largely failing due to political pressure. It has gotten to the point that lots of policies are basically enacted by the courts, and appointing judges just requires a 51% majority in the senate and whi…
/r/MGTOW14/11/20 05:13 PM
2

You SHOULD be able to say whatever you want. However, in our gynocentric culture you are taking a risk when you do so. Life isn't fair. You either play the game by the rules, choose not to play at all, or watch the ref lock you in the penalty box.
/r/MGTOW214/11/20 05:06 PM
3

The risk will never be zero. However, it depends on your situation. If you're a guy in college, all I can say is heaven help you. That system is just completely screwed up. You're not guaranteed to have trouble if you interact with women, but there are a bazillion things that can go wrong, and at best you're going to have to sue the college to try to pay for not being employable for the rest of your life. However, outside of college there are two main costs to a false accusation: The cost of a c…
/r/MGTOW214/11/20 05:04 PM
5

There is no upside to trying to argue the point, and there is a small risk of downside. The costs (while small) still outweigh the benefits.
/r/MGTOW214/11/20 04:57 PM
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While I'm not a huge JP fan, this is something that he has talked about. Guys don't provoke other guys unnecessarily, because doing so carries the risk of a physical confrontation. Unless you're picking on somebody WAY weaker than you, a physical confrontation is going to mean that you're getting hurt, even if you "win." And then of course there is a decent chance you'll get into trouble legally but that is almost beside the point. If there is a huge mismatch then the other guy is just going to …
/r/MGTOW13/11/20 06:14 PM
2

I think in most states all cars are insured for anybody to drive it, as long as they don't live with you. You only need to list drivers if they live with you. That said, it doesn't matter who is driving if you don't have comprehensive coverage in this case. If you just have liability coverage then they're not going to cover a loss except to another car due to your fault.
/r/MGTOW213/11/20 06:05 PM
9

I've learned that a woman wants to live her fantasies through a man. And if her current man isn't living up to her expectations, then she monkey branches to the next guy that can. Stardusk expressed it a little differently, but with a similar idea. Basically every woman has in her mind this vision of the perfect man. When a man dates her, he is basically auditioning for the role of this perfect man. When a woman barely knows a man then her mind fills in the details, making him into that perfect …
/r/MGTOW212/11/20 06:24 PM
2

LOL, you think they'll stop at berating men? Most likely the men will still go to jail. It will only be legal for the women.
/r/MGTOW10/11/20 09:43 PM
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As was pointed out, anytime they do this stuff they legalize BEING a prostitute, but they keep it illegal to engage the services of a prostitute. So, only the men are punished, since after all the men are the bad people.
/r/MGTOW10/11/20 09:42 PM
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Well, there are two levels of knowing: Knowing her past, and knowing the consequences of her past. Women try hard to cover up the first, and society tries hard to cover up the second. A lot of guys can be ignorant of either. I think the info is getting out there, but I bet a lot of guys still get burned by ignorance. Obviously ignorance won't save you from the consequences, but when the truth is locked in a basement behind a sign saying "beware the leopard" you have to have at least a little com…
/r/MGTOW09/11/20 01:26 PM
1

Thanks for these links - they look like they're things I'd be interested in. I haven't dug into them, so this is a pretty raw gut reply and perhaps I might feel differently after reading through them, which I intend to do... a lack of opportunity arises from the misfortune of being born at the wrong time where sufficient technological advancements cannot take advantage of an individual's skills I think there is SOME truth to this - most traits probably exist because they were useful in some cont…
/r/MGTOW09/11/20 11:19 AM
2

This really resonates with me. I think it was Stardusk (or maybe Coltaine/huMAN) who recently talked about how the stuff that is going on has been trending this way for decades. Every branch of the US government has gone back and forth in that time. Many swing states have gone back and forth between parties in that time. And yet the trends have continued. Maybe things will trend that way a little faster under Biden. Maybe not. However, the stuff that is driving men to go their own way isn't like…
/r/MGTOW07/11/20 08:48 PM
2

So, that is basically the corporate model. It makes sense with a corporation because it is owned by the shareholders. I think there needs to be a balance with the country. I don't think that a few hundred super-wealthy people should control 90% of the votes. That is taking it too far to the other extreme. That very small group of people is VERY out of touch with the experiences of almost everybody. The goal isn't to just exclude tons of people for the sake of doing so. The idea is that people wh…
/r/MGTOW06/11/20 12:00 AM
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Yup. TFM has the right general idea. Just let people vote if they are a net-taxpayer. Take taxes paid, subtract benefits (including roads/education/etc), and if the result is positive you can vote. Voluntary treasury donations count as taxes, so if you're close to the line and want to vote you can choose to buy in or not. Immigrants would actually have an advantage in this scenario, since they start with a blank slate having not been educated on the public dime, assuming they're productive. Of c…
/r/MGTOW05/11/20 12:54 PM
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As a bonus, once he establishes that income working 80 hours, that becomes the level of income a court will require him to sustain if she divorces him. Now he's working 80 hours per week to pay for her for the next 20 years. If he ever loses one of those jobs he goes to jail for not meeting his support commitments unless he basically stops eating and lives on the street.
/r/MGTOW05/11/20 02:40 AM
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Well, the looks could be the deal-breaker, and the guy is just trying to be nice about it. Really just doing what women do. "Hey, you're a wonderful person. It is just that we don't have chemistry. Please don't take it the wrong way - you're such a great person and I'm sure you'll find somebody..."
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/11/20 08:07 PM
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The guy was probably being nice about the 10lbs thing. Or she was bending what he said. However, it also sounds like she has her standards set really high. This really is the problem women have 99% of the time. There are guys who will literally date any woman with a pulse, and honestly for some of them the pulse might be optional. If a woman can't get a guy, it is because she wants what she can't have. And there is nothing really wrong with that - but she has to understand that she just isn't go…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/11/20 01:15 PM
3

There are some 60 ish fitness females that are still hotter than a lot of 20 year olds. A lot, maybe. All, definitely not. The 20 year olds who also hit the gym are going to be a lot more attractive. This woman is going after guys who can probably date 20 year old models. The guy in this post was probably interested in trying something different or maybe trying to get somebody who is better able to handle a conversation. However, he probably is sleeping with 10s all the time, and there is no amo…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/11/20 01:11 PM
2

I mean, for attracting normal guys not being fat is enough. However, it sounds like this woman is trying to date fitness models or something. If you don't want to sleep with a guy unless he's been on at least 5 magazine covers then just being in half-decent shape isn't going to cut it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/11/20 01:01 PM
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Honestly, I'm guessing that isn't an option for her at this point. The post doesn't supply all the details, but the guy was attracted to publicity photos of a woman in her 20s who was nationally famous, which means she was probably super-attractive in her photos. She probably was never quite as good as her photos in her prime, but at least she was in her prime. She focuses on the part where she gained 10lbs, but she's also gained 10 years. Most guys aren't going to care THAT much about either, s…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/11/20 12:58 PM
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Yup. It isn't just court. If you're in a relationship, then you can expect all your family/friends to take her side in any disagreement that becomes public. That's just how people are. So, the mitigation is to avoid making the stakes large. If you keep relationships light then you can break things off if they get out of hand. If you get into a situation where you NEED your family to be on your side, then you're screwed.
/r/MGTOW203/11/20 03:41 PM
7

Yeah, that is the problem with civil cases - just requires a majority of the jury and a preponderance of the evidence. In a criminal court you only need one person on the jury who realizes what is being done is wrong to prevent a conviction. However, a civil case is more like just regular life - gynocentrism rules.
/r/MGTOW203/11/20 03:39 PM
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It really is the design of the US voting system. Every system with a design like the US has ends up with two parties, because it is winner-takes-all. It really is a dumb design. You can end up with two candidates that differ on every issue. Then people vote. If it goes 51-49 (in electoral votes) then that candidate gets to basically enact their policy subject only to the limits of their office without any consideration for what the 49% voted for. A very small number of votes end up having a huge…
/r/MGTOW03/11/20 01:07 PM
2

I might do some reading on both topics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis Interestingly enough the article mentions the abortion link in the intro as well. There might be some studies of either. Of course, such topics tend to be governed by political correctness so I'm not sure it will ever get explored comprehensively. Abortion would contribute to both social/environmental and genetic contributions to criminality.
/r/MGTOW03/11/20 10:37 AM
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I'm not sure if that has been studied. I think there is a lot of evidence though that the elimination of lead in gasoline has had a HUGE impact on crime around that time. I'm sure abortion helped as well, but probably not as much. Lead poisoning is pretty insidious.
/r/MGTOW03/11/20 02:03 AM
1

And then when half of them turn out to have problems/etc we get to pay for all the problems they cause in adulthood. We could probably fix half of society's problems by giving everybody a mandatory free reversible sterilization at puberty. Then you'd need a license to get it temporarily reversed, which includes a signoff by both parents. Maybe toss in some parenting classes, but just making it intentional would eliminate a TON of unplanned births, and now both parents get a choice in conception.…
/r/MGTOW03/11/20 02:01 AM
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Yeah, but then you're stuck drinking coffee. Yech. The sorts of places that sell overpriced coffee usually don't have anything else decent to drink.
/r/MGTOW30/10/20 09:15 PM
6

Wow, how progressive. Goes to show you that displays of progressive values are just displays to most women - they're doing it for attention. It has nothing at all to do with their actual values.
/r/MGTOW30/10/20 06:20 PM
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I will restrain myself in order to promote the good The problem with this is that it is still voluntary. Of course all morality is voluntary, but we have laws to create consequences for non-compliance. I don't kill people because it is wrong. However, if I ever do get the urge to do so anyway I will know that I'm likely to end up in prison for the rest of my life and become an example to others. The problem is that even if a woman sincerely wants to do the right thing, nobody is forcing her to d…
/r/MGTOW30/10/20 06:17 PM
1

I've seen it, but I don't believe that the issues he raised pertain to the specific case where a woman is proven to have committed adultery, which was the only situation I was commenting on.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/10/20 06:08 PM
6

Yup, since becoming single my savings rate has shot through the roof. I still feel kind of bad splurging on expensive items, but the reality is that buying something like a 3080 just sets me back part of a week on my savings...
/r/MGTOW30/10/20 02:31 PM
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Honestly, this is why I am not interested in going on dates with strangers. You're basically agreeing to pay the bills while they get an hour of your time with no requirements for basic human decency. I'm happy to get to know somebody, but I really don't want to be feeding them while they lecture me on whatever they feel like. I'm sure this is a minority of women, but it seems fairly prevalent.
/r/MGTOW30/10/20 02:13 PM
3

Plus they can just stash them in that big empty space in the middle. Maybe they could be nice and give them a canteen too.
/r/MGTOW27/10/20 11:49 PM
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/r/MGTOW27/10/20 07:32 PM
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If you're doing hands-on stuff like wiring things, or configuring routers, then while you won't be paid as much as Stacy, you'll probably still have a job, because at the end of the day they kind of need the computers to work and Stacy isn't going to get the job done... At least not if Stacy isn't competent. It might not be a cushy job, but it is like the guy who cleans the toilets. At the end of the day at the bottom of the totem pole people do care if the toilet is covered in shit if they need…
/r/MGTOW27/10/20 06:41 PM
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Heh, having done some architecture projects in IT I could see the appeal of something honest like selling used cars. :)
/r/MGTOW27/10/20 05:18 PM
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Yeah, it is annoying to get the whole "some things are easier to work out in meetings" spiel. I remember a project where I basically had about 10 hours per week of standing meetings, and probably was in meetings a total of 50% of the time at least. I probably triaged 70% of the issues by email. Yes, it is annoying to go back-and-forth three times in an email. However, having 2 meetings instead eats into my calendar which is a much more limited resource. Plus email is just a lot more efficient. I…
/r/MGTOW27/10/20 05:17 PM
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am making more as a director now F
/r/MGTOW27/10/20 05:13 PM
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One thing I noticed in IT at my work is that to get beyond even mid-level it is less about technology, and more about hitting the right numbers on spreadsheets, and entertaining managers in the business. Sure, if the technology completely falls apart it will get noticed, but the leadership is WAY more concerned about whether your project will hit the budget/time requirements than whether it works. Oh, and EVERYTHING runs on annual budget cycles. It will take them about a third of a budget cycle …
/r/MGTOW27/10/20 01:22 AM
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Sure, if you live in a country that does Sharia. If you're a Muslim woman in the US and commit adultery, you get the same cash and prizes everybody else gets.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/10/20 07:52 PM
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Legally, that is exactly what a wife is. Or a husband though they don't have the same options 90% of the time. Legally marriage has NOTHING at all to do with sex in most places. In a lot of places it does have to do with presumed paternity though.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/10/20 12:21 PM
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That's how it always has been in traditional cultures. It isn't that women didn't want to cheat. Sometimes they even did. However, it had to be kept REALLY quiet, because there were serious consequences for it becoming public. In some cases spouses even discussed this stuff, though I suspect that was more rare. If it became public then one of the parties would have justification for an at-fault divorce. The person who had the affair would basically be cast out, with no money, and no custody of a…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/10/20 12:17 PM
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That is how EVERYBODY thinks. That's why you're an idiot if you get married. It is ALWAYS the man's fault. It was her husband's fault for not satisfying her. It was the guy's fault for seducing her into having an affair. It was her family's fault that she couldn't just divorce her husband because nobody else would pay all her bills. It isn't just women who avoid accountability for their own actions. EVERYBODY participates in this. If you get married to a woman, then everybody in your life is goi…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/10/20 12:11 PM
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Honestly, I have mixed feelings on this whole topic. Sure, in some religions he might also be in the wrong, but here is the thing: Husband and wife make a promise never to sleep with somebody else. Random stranger didn't promise anything to anybody. Who broke their word? The random stranger never gave his word. The wife sleeping with the stranger wouldn't be a problem if she hadn't promised to exclusively sleep with her husband. If she and her husband had never met there would be nothing wrong w…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/10/20 12:07 PM
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People are people. It was the culture/laws that changed things. Transplant them and they conform to the new culture/laws. They are given no other choice. Really the sort of behavior that is tearing up families is basically natural biology. Would you call a dog or ape that just has sex with any female in heat that it encounters a "degenerate?" No, it is a dog - it just does what it feels like doing. Well, people do have brains but for the most part people also do what they feel like doing. We're …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/10/20 11:57 AM
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Well, maybe in this case. India has some really crazy laws that usually screw over men. Maybe false paternity is one of the few areas where they're more sane. I wouldn't be surprised if she can get support from the biological father though.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/10/20 11:53 AM
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Well, ultimately this is the problem with FDS, incels, and so on. Their goals require getting other people to do what they want them to. The Red Pill is nothing but knowledge. You can take that knowledge and decide that you're going to live the way that makes sense for you, and just take your relationships with other people as they come and accept that most people aren't going to behave in the way you'd prefer them to behave. Or you can throw a temper-tantrum because the world doesn't work the w…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/10/20 01:21 PM
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So, I don't really pay much attention to this FDS nonsense, but my impression is that these terms don't mean what they purport to mean: High Value Woman = any woman who hangs out on FDS. Low Value Man = any man who doesn't commit. They're so low value they couldn't help but rip off their clothes for them. It is all just rationalization to make them feel better. All those guys she was desperate to attract must actually really be low value, so they did her a favor by treating her like a doormat. S…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/10/20 11:15 PM
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Yup. Only 84% of women failing is a bit of a surprise, unless these are just the basic standards to work a desk job. The difference in physical capability between the average man/women is pretty dramatic. Even your typical overweight/etc guy who never exercises is going to be able to out-strength 90%+ of women. Yes, there are exceptions. There are those world-class female athletes who might be able to compete with the average guy who hits the gym regularly.
/r/MGTOW15/10/20 03:12 PM
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True. In some sense Amazon Mechanical Turk is the ultimate meritocracy. Nobody cares who is doing the work or how it gets done - just that it gets done.
/r/MGTOW215/10/20 01:31 PM
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What would be the point? Literally the only thing getting married does legally is let your wife take a bunch of your money. If you don't want that, why would you get married in the first place? It is like asking for a way to eat shit and have it not taste like shit. I mean, if your goal wasn't to taste shit, why would you be eating it? Plus in this case we're talking about child support payments. Prenups have absolutely zero impact on child support payments in most states.
/r/MGTOW12/10/20 08:04 PM
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The main lesson I guess (well, not for you, but for younger less experienced men) is... Agree, but keep in mind that the main reason that young men don't seem to be "learning" this lesson is that nobody is teaching it to them. Granted, the red pill is becoming much more popular these days, but young boys get a very deep and systematic instruction into the blue pill, reinforced by every authority figure in their lives. They basically have to stumble onto the red pill to even have a hope of figuri…
/r/MGTOW212/10/20 06:19 PM
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Ok, she wouldn't be spending as much in absolute terms, but my point was more that it isn't the extra money that makes them spend. It just gives them more opportunity. Really though you don't need to be a prostitute to afford to save up for a rainy day. If you are a saver then the extra money won't hurt. Their problem isn't with their income - it is with their expenses either way.
/r/MGTOW11/10/20 09:06 PM
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Sure, but she would be spending just as much if she had a dead-end job. There is nothing wrong with making a ton of money on onlyfans. If women had any brains they'd save it and then live more minimally and they'd be fine for the rest of their lives if they made a lot early-on. But, as you point out if you have a choice of increasing your income or decreasing your expenses, you'll get a lot further with the latter 99% of the time.
/r/MGTOW11/10/20 05:03 PM
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On the flip side, they're probably not paying taxes/etc, in particular unemployment insurance taxes. I can't really sympathize when somebody doesn't get government assistance for being out of work, when they didn't pay taxes when they were working. I'm all for legalization/etc, but if she had taken the money that would have gone to taxes and just saved it, she'd do WAY better than unemployment would pay.
/r/MGTOW10/10/20 11:19 PM
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Yeah, that movie is practically a documentary...
/r/MGTOW08/10/20 09:27 PM
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No, it should simply be abolished. I was reading something about gay rights earlier today. I was thinking that the best thing that could have been done 10 years ago wasn't to legalize gay marriage, but to abolish it for heterosexuals. It is a bit funny to think that anybody would be fighting for the right to end up in a common law marriage/etc.
/r/MGTOW08/10/20 07:47 PM
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While I agree, the problem is that unless you're willing to just execute these kids if they become delinquents then you're just kicking the can down the road. Educating a the child of an irresponsible parent is expensive. Dealing with a life of crime for that same child is even MORE expensive. See my other reply to the parent for my alternative, which is to keep the kids from being born in the first place.
/r/MGTOW08/10/20 07:45 PM
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Agree, but there is actually a solution for this. Granted, just about everybody (left or right) will oppose it. Require everybody to be reversibly sterilized before puberty. To have a kid you need to need to apply for a license. The requirements for this are up for debate and I don't want to get into them. Really though even if you just rubber stamp all requests it would eliminate all unplanned pregnancies or any where there isn't consent of both parties so that alone would eliminate a ton of co…
/r/MGTOW08/10/20 07:44 PM
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I think democracy is potentially less worse but I do think it makes sense to have SOME kind of qualification around who can vote. Net lifetime taxpayer is actually a pretty objective one - it is just a number. It doesn't matter how you became a citizen, where you're from, how much you make, what your race/gender/whatever is. You pay off any assistance you got as a child, and now you're able to vote. If you never pay it off then you can't vote, but that's ok. You're still a citizen.
/r/MGTOW08/10/20 07:07 PM
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Yeah, I liked the concept in the book. But net taxpayer works pretty well as a surrogate. I'd make it lifetime net tax, so kids start out not being able to vote, but as soon as you've paid for any public education/bussing/whatever you've gotten as a child, you now can vote. If at some point you receive assistance you lose the right to vote once you go into negative balance territory. Still one person one vote, and no need to segregate by anything else. Immigrants start with a zero balance since …
/r/MGTOW08/10/20 07:03 PM
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And here we thought marriage was a legal contract too... :) Really though I don't get pre-nups. First you agree to give the woman half your stuff. Then you want to try to un-agree to that. If you don't want to give the woman half your stuff, why get married at all?
/r/MGTOW208/10/20 06:56 PM
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I'm not sure which is worse: Not realizing that calculus isn't a foreign language. Thinking that anybody who writes in a language you don't understand is a terrorist.
/r/MGTOW08/10/20 06:52 PM
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men just need to be slim and muscular The deleted post mentions tall but just as some kind of "preference." Just ask 80% of the guys on here and it is clear it is more than just a preference. A big problem is online dating has taken over quite a bit, especially among adults where you don't have school/etc mixing people up. Well, on a dating platform your height is a key attribute, and almost all women set filters. So, it really doesn't matter how great you are in every other regard, if you're 5'…
/r/MGTOW08/10/20 05:16 PM
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Without culture the optimal male strategy is to just sleep with any woman you can. This works...in hunter gatherer cultures. It doesn't work in any other culture and always leads to the top men forming harems and the bottom 1/2 of men having no incentive to contribute. Well, two things: I'm explaining the optimal strategy for the individual, not the culture which doesn't even exist in my example. My whole point is that "assortative mating" is a cultural thing, not a biological thing. Yes, it exi…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/10/20 12:02 PM
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It sounds whiney because it goes on and on, but that is more a reflection on the state of society than the person who wrote it. Doesn't mean anything about the person who wrote it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/10/20 12:45 PM
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I'm not sure assortative mating is really a thing. If it is, it is more of a cultural construct. Without culture the optimal male strategy is to just sleep with any woman you can. The only reason you wouldn't sleep with an ugly girl is because you could be spending that time sleeping with a prettier one, but that isn't a problem unless you're already sleeping with women anytime you aren't eating or actually sleeping. For women, again without culture, the optimal strategy is to try to avoid sleep…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/10/20 12:42 PM
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Yeah. Part of the problem is that there really isn't any central authority as to what "MGTOW" is - and of course the term gets co-opted by those who want to redefine it with both good and ill intentions. I tend to like the simple definitions - MGTOW are men who have decided not to marry or cohabitate. It is really simple, and you can be MGTOW without even knowing what MGTOW is. Doesn't matter what your motivation is. There are tons of benefits/issues that spring up from this but I like to keep t…
/r/MGTOW205/10/20 01:52 AM
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MGTOW isn't some forum on the internet - either this one or any other. Forums are places where we talk about MGTOW. You have a future. I have a future. Those futures have almost nothing in common most likely. Thus we don't talk about it much. We also have pasts, and chances are those have a lot more in common. That is why people tend to talk more about the past. It is especially true when you're new to MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW203/10/20 08:28 PM
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Definitely. Note that the list included mutual friends. That same list of people will be in line to testify against him in family court. "I've been a 'friend' to OP for 10 years and yes he definitely mistreated his wife." Oh, and by that point it will be his own family taking her side as well. This is a big part of why I'd never get married. Our culture is just so gynocentric that when there is conflict you literally have everybody you know pressuring you to surrender, no matter what the demands…
/r/MGTOW03/10/20 01:09 PM
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What other philosophies ( like minimalism and stoicism ) should we combine with MGTOW to become a more lethal threat to the system? How about the idea that we should be some kind of "threat to the system?" I really could care less about being a "threat." I'm going my own way. I need to understand the rules of the game so that I can play the game I want to. If somebody wants to make the rules more fair more power to them, but I'm not going to live differently than how I prefer just to try to get …
/r/MGTOW201/10/20 10:59 PM
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the husband is forever trapped with her so why not? The moment his name is on the birth certificate he's trapped with her whether he married her or not, or even whether or not he's had sex with her if he doesn't dispute paternity fast enough.
/r/MGTOW29/09/20 03:47 PM
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Looking back on my relationships, I think the most important thing is setting boundaries. IMO it actually is more likely to make relationships last, but it can cause a relationship to reach a decision point where things get broken off. That said, if the only way to make a relationship continue is to keep moving your boundaries, then the relationship isn't healthy in the first place. Also, sooner or later you'll have given up everything and have nothing left to give up, and at that point the rela…
/r/MGTOW228/09/20 01:35 PM
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replacing that love and affection you got from mom Agree that this is a driver for most men, but it is something that women absolutely hate to provide. IMO just this one fact is probably the biggest redpill most men can receive. For most men it is natural to want a mother's love. 99% of most adult men simply will never receive it. Trying to chase it is a self-destructive path as it is what drives so many men to just sacrifice themselves for nothing.
/r/MGTOW228/09/20 11:56 AM
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I entered a relationship ... but I gotta say I was way happier being mgtow The two are not mutually exclusive. You can have relationships with people and be MGTOW. The typical definition of MGTOW is men that avoid marriage and cohabitation, though nobody really owns a trademark on the term. In any case, it leaves a lot of room for other sorts of relationships. That said, if you want a relationship with ANYBODY (man/woman/job/whatever) to be healthy you need to set boundaries and have some idea o…
/r/MGTOW227/09/20 08:21 PM
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I think this is basically it. You can take all the red pills you want, your little brain still has its urges. All you can do is train your big brain to hold your little brain in check. I think huMAN articulated it well in a video - how many men would tolerate the sorts of behavior they tolerate in girlfriends if it was expressed in a male friend? It is almost impossible to divorce relationships with women from sexual attraction, because 98% of them don't really have anything else to offer - at l…
/r/MGTOW227/09/20 07:25 PM
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I never really thought about it this way, but on reflection you're definitely right. Normally I wouldn't be bothered by the idea of dating somebody who has adult kids. But this is definitely a potential pitfall. That said, I don't plan to ever share a house with a woman, and I certainly won't be signing any legal documents involving one. For this reason alone I'm pretty unlikely to end up even dating one (they're mostly looking for bailouts so why would they date somebody who isn't going to bail…
/r/MGTOW227/09/20 05:31 PM
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It is already happening. I think there is a push to eliminate spousal support in FL because women are starting to reach the 50% threshold on the net payments. The moment women start paying men on average the law will be changed. Also, judges already prefer child support over spousal support in most cases. Child support almost always benefits the mother (since mothers almost always get most of the custody). Also, taxes on child-support are paid for by the father, unlike spousal support. I'm skept…
/r/MGTOW227/09/20 05:25 PM
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It worked for 4000 years, because women were abiding by the traditions. It worked for 4000 years because: Kids were a huge financial benefit in the medium-term (not when you were old and needed to care for - when they were 8 and could be exploited for their labor). Automation and a rise in labor skill requirements made this obsolete. The family was the primary social safety net. The welfare state made this obsolete. Because of 1+2 marriage was serious business, and regulated like any serious bus…
/r/MGTOW227/09/20 05:22 PM
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I am mostly the same. I'd always wear one pair of shoes. Now I have a few, but entirely for practical reasons. I'll have boots for snow, waterproof shoes for when I expect my feet to get wet. Then I have cheaper shoes for general wear optimized for cost/comfort, mainly so that I'm not wearing out the more expensive shoes all the time. Sure it is a few more pairs but I'm expecting to have this reduce my spending overall. But, that is how guys think. We'll spend $10 today to save $20 tomorrow, but…
/r/MGTOW226/09/20 12:51 PM
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Yup. The problem is that the only way she can actually have all these orbiters is the implied promise that there is some kind of chance of sex. The internet and red pill knowledge is killing that, at least for a chunk of men. Sure, not all men are red pilled, but there are only so many guys who know how to fix a toilet or computer in an area, and each one that gets taken out of simping means that women have to expand their cloud of orbiters that much further. Now they're actually competing with …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/09/20 05:05 PM
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The guys won’t be able to relate to the idea that perfection is boring because they likely aren’t constantly bored and don’t depend on others to entertain them. This is because men learn that when they take a risk they bear the consequences when things go wrong. You can go to the casino and put all the money on 00, and most likely you'll go home broke after one spin. Women don't experience risk the same way. If the guy she is with puts all his money on 00 and wins, then she moves into the mansio…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/09/20 03:11 PM
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I'm still a "nice guy" because I learned too late to change my personality into the alpha douche that women actually want. I'm a nice guy because in part that is how I raised, and at this point it is just who I want to be. I'm not going to behave like an asshole just because it gets women all excited. They can go play their games with somebody else.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/09/20 03:03 PM
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Most people know systemic racism isn’t real Oh, it is very real - it is just called "affirmative action." IMO it does more harm to minorities than anything else. Also, we're gotten to a point where the only people who don't benefit from it are themselves a minority. There are plenty of people who are racist. However, the way to fix this is to allow people to interact as individuals. The moment you target somebody with punitive measures, you basically turn them against the very people you're tryi…
/r/MGTOW24/09/20 03:01 PM
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Liberalism (communism) Liberalism used to mean staying out of other people's business - ie let's worry less about who your neighbor is sleeping with and how they entertain themselves, and focus more on good governance. These days it has turned into wokeness, which is basically the exact opposite.
/r/MGTOW24/09/20 02:55 PM
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With agency comes responsibility. When you admit that you have control over your emotions, then you admit that most of your problems are your own fault. Even if nobody else holds you accountable, you still have that thought eating away at your mind. Better to just smother it with a pillow and do what the emotions tell you to. It always works out in the end - at least while you're still young and pretty. Heck, even when you're old people still bail out women - just not with relationships.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/09/20 11:09 AM
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They always said women mature faster, and yet they never seemed to learn this most basic lasson. They're not allowed to learn that lesson. Boys don't magically figure out that if you don't plan for the long-term you get burned. By age 10 the boy was allowed to spend all his allowance on candy, and then the thing that lasts more than 3 minutes pops up on his radar and his parents don't let him buy it because he already spent his allowance. The boy realizes that he squandered his money and now has…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/09/20 11:06 AM
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Of course not. Marriage was a horrible institution, barely better than the current state of affairs. :)
/r/MGTOW222/09/20 11:40 AM
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Yup. Marriage was about kids and family. Both were really important. Kids were a cash cow. They weren't just some kind of long-term retirement plan the way people think about them. They took a few years of investment and then they're already out picking eggs in the henhouse. Labor was unskilled back then - a kid wasn't all that much less productive than somebody you had to pay. Family was basically your entire social safety net. You didn't marry a wife - you married her family, and her family ma…
/r/MGTOW221/09/20 11:42 PM
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The idiom comes from a story in the Bible: https://netbible.org/bible/Daniel+5 Basically a hand wrote some text on a wall prophesying the downfall of the king. The idiom comes from the fact that it wasn't a warning - it had finality - there was nothing that could be done to avert it. It was a bit of a joke as used in the post above. In general though the idiom means that there is something inevitable coming in the future - you can see it but you can't do anything about it.
/r/MGTOW221/09/20 02:29 PM
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It’s totally ridiculous, insane behavior. It is reasonable behavior from their perspective actually. They're trying to gain social status - that is a currency to them. It gains them access to new potential mates with even greater cash flows. It is like a growing company putting all its money into capital expansion. That is a completely reasonable strategy. When a woman is young and attractive she basically has this one chance to hook the perfect guy and the right friends/etc to boost her status …
/r/MGTOW221/09/20 12:54 PM
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It is just childish behavior. Literally everybody goes through that phase. You don't leave it until you suffer consequences for remaining in it.
/r/MGTOW220/09/20 12:38 AM
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You bring home most the money, but a $400 golf club is silly Tell me about it. I'm actually pretty frugal and have been saving up a fortune. However, my gaming system is starting to feel a little dated and the 3080 is looking pretty nice, and so I'm probably going to end up just replacing almost everything in my system. It feels like a crazy amount of money to spend, but I realized that I'm really only setting back my savings by a week or two. Back when I was married I felt like I was always wor…
/r/MGTOW219/09/20 09:27 PM
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One that admittedly checks all the other boxes...
/r/MGTOW17/09/20 12:41 PM
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That, and a job in real estate. Since the whole thing works off of commission it costs an agency nothing to bring on more representatives - they just take a cut of whatever business they bring in.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/09/20 06:10 PM
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I have a relative that was doing something like this. In his jurisdiction he is probably OK, but I've spoken to him already basically asking "dude, why are you doing this?" He's a decent guy, and probably a bit lonely, and tends to be generous with family/etc. It isn't surprising that he ends up doing stuff like this. We're not talking about an explicit sugar baby relationship. We're talking about a conventional relationship, where women start out by letting you pay for dinner, and then six mont…
/r/MGTOW11/09/20 01:37 PM
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One issue that people aren't mentioning is that apparently in public they did use his last name for her. That is a MAJOR no-no in a country that has common law marriage. There were a few other issues like this. However, I agree that this is a pretty disturbing case. The real issue is that the case didn't set any firm rules, and blurred rules that used to be better understood. I would be VERY careful about paying for the expenses/etc of a woman you're in a long-term relationship with if you're in…
/r/MGTOW11/09/20 01:22 PM
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Oh, I agree. I'm not saying that career women don't have issues with relationships in general. I'm just saying that when the career is "porn star" you're layering on a whole additional mess.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/09/20 08:44 PM
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True. Granted, I've seen plenty of people who deal with spreadsheets with millions of dollars in them live paycheck to paycheck too. However, if you don't even have to think about numbers in your job it can't help...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/09/20 02:58 PM
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The fact that porn stars hope someone [desirable, i.e. top 10-20%] will disregard their past and see them as wife material shows you just how far women will go to deny the consequences of their action. It isn't a super-active denial really. Young women just aren't used to thinking about the future at all in any kind of rigorous way. They've been bailed out so many times that they just assume it will all work out. A man who gets to age 29 without having spent any time seriously thinking through h…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/09/20 02:14 PM
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He always maintained that if she ever quit porn she's the perfect woman. Vomits Don't worry - she would vomit at the thought of dating him too. A lot of guys don't realize this, but women are literally disgusted at the idea of dating a guy she thinks is beneath her. I'm not just talking about a guy as desperate as your friend. Most women are literally revolted at the idea of dating your average Billy Beta (average looks/income/etc). They just hold it in if they're desperate enough for a bailout.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/09/20 01:26 PM
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True, but most careers aren't this problematic from a relationship standpoint. While a lot of female professionals are going to have issues with hypergamy/etc, most men aren't going to be ashamed to introduce them to their family. She is a wealthy celebrity (for now), and so she has all the usual hypergamy issues. Then on top of that she works in a career that everybody might say is fine if they're on the record, but nobody wants a porn star at Christmas dinner.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/09/20 01:13 PM
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there are still enough guys out there with at least some shame Pretty much all the guys that she would be interested in. She is wealthy and a celebrity. She doesn't want to date some nobody. She wants to date somebody whose name everybody would recognize. They are going to be happy to sleep with her in private, but they're not going to want to bring her to Thanksgiving dinner.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/09/20 01:07 PM
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Can confirm - I'm happy to ruffle by boss's feathers in exchange for cold hard cash. Pays better than a lot of prostitutes really when you consider the hours/etc.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/09/20 01:02 PM
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Yup, she'll be invited for the bachelor party, not the wedding day.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/09/20 01:01 PM
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That Chad with chisled abs, a trust fund, and a family home in the Hamptons is NOT going to commit to a woman that has been gangbanged on film. Yup, if you want to be Kate Middleton you need to go to finishing school and be prim and proper in public. You can do whatever you need to do behind closed doors to hook the rich guy, but as far as his family is concerned you need to be the girl next door.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/09/20 01:01 PM
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Well, they really only need it in the short term. Most of these women are making more money than 99% of men will make in their lifetime, and it is essentially unskilled labor. Oh, I'm sure they have to learn how to follow direction/etc and show up to work on time, but it is the sort of thing anybody can learn if they're pretty enough and willing to do it. Financially it makes sense. If you offered me a job that would make me a multimillionaire in my 20s with the caveat that I'd be unemployed aro…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/09/20 12:51 PM
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You don't have to deal with consequences because pussy-ass men, white-knights and feminists will continue to tell you lies and empower you at the same time. As for love? It's much more likely you'll find suffering, misery and loneliness because you're marked for life at this point. I'm not sure this is exactly the issue. First, the sorts of men you're generalizing about are of zero interest to her right now. Yes, lots of guys are paying her bills, and 99% of them mean nothing to her. The guys sh…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/09/20 12:43 PM
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I'm an older guy, so it wasn't that bad for me, but it sounds like social media and dating apps have made it nearly impossible for 90% of the guys out there. It has also created this abundance mentality that basically makes all relationships disposable. While it is true that a lot of guys are left out, both the women and the guys who they want to be with end up having tons of options. That means that anytime an issue comes up in a relationship the other party just bails on them. This just leads …
/r/MGTOW208/09/20 06:51 PM
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if you want to eventually get married you have to date SOMEONE Well there you go with your crazy radical ideology...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/09/20 12:22 AM
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That makes no sense. No, it makes complete sense. Do you want a million dollars in cash and not have to work or risk to obtain it? So do I. It makes perfect sense. It is also the sort of logic a 5 year old employs. I want it, and I'll whine until I get it. In the real world nobody just gives you stuff for free - if you're a guy. However, that is exactly what people have probably been doing with this woman her entire life.
/r/MGTOW03/09/20 07:23 PM
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Yup. She's already proven herself to be willing to throw him under the bus the moment he isn't her best option. Why mess with that further?
/r/MGTOW202/09/20 02:58 PM
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Yeah, you get blamed, and now you have TWO people working together to get you. She can accuse you of doing something, and he could back her up, and now you're really screwed.
/r/MGTOW202/09/20 02:57 PM
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I didn't propose any solutions. I listed some things any solution would need to address. You raised additional issues, but let's take those: extreme hypergamy: I actually did cover that indirectly under the third point of having a way to satisfy sexual urges in a way that moderates conflict. Hypergamy is one of those urges. lack of societal-“shame": I don't think a solution necessarily needs to have shame to work, though it could. Certainly the old solution which would no longer work today uses …
/r/MGTOW201/09/20 12:34 PM
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If women face the most moderate obstacle, they fall apart while men face them daily. To be fair some men fall apart too and fail. The difference is that when the woman falls apart everybody hears about it and comes to their rescue collectively. When the man falls apart nobody has time for that. People will literally let a man starve to death if they can't fend for themselves. So, men are tougher because they have to be. They're allowed to suffer from a very young age so that by the time they're …
/r/MGTOW230/08/20 10:38 AM
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The long story short, is it became work. I can certainly identify with this. Even if it starts out fun, they start creating lists, and they basically treat you as a resource. I'm actually fairly interested in family life - I enjoy going to family events, and doing dinners, and so on. I enjoy getting out and doing day trips. However, when you're in a relationship there is no room for "I'm just not in the mood" - well, unless we're talking about the bedroom and she's the one being moody. When I go…
/r/MGTOW230/08/20 10:26 AM
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Women do anything to rationalize their worst actions in order to convince themselves and the world that they are not doing anything wrong, and that is why women are worthless for long term relationships and marriage. To be fair, we ALL do that, men as well. We just usually do it about different things, or in different ways. The thing they never teach you in school is that you basically have more than one brain. You have a primitive animal brain that drives your emotions. You have a more advanced…
/r/MGTOW28/08/20 12:46 PM
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who cares, let's live the moment Keep in mind that this is actually a fairly successful reproduction strategy. Once you've had a few kids, your forebrain and "identity" are basically disposable as far as your biology is concerned. At that point your best evolutionary use is to provide for your kids, so the family court system is basically a feature, not a bug. If you behave as a slave to your biology, your fate will be the same as a preying mantis...
/r/MGTOW228/08/20 10:22 AM
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Sure. But by heavier I don't mean less balanced - just less news-of-the-day. More huMAN/etc.
/r/MGTOW227/08/20 10:55 PM
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What, no Stardusk? :) Seriously though, appreciate the content. A bit on the lighter side but I think a lot benefit from it who are new and need something a step up from the rage stuff.
/r/MGTOW227/08/20 06:14 PM
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And here I thought women were the paradox...
/r/MGTOW27/08/20 01:25 PM
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Because a woman denying you sex is the most consequential denial a man can experience from an evolutionary perspective. She’s judged him as not good enough for his genetic matter to propagate. It’s about the worst condemnation one could imagine. This is the gist of it, but IMO the answer is even simpler. Your body (including your brain) has evolved to reproduce itself. Men who seek to inseminate as many women as possible reproduce more than men who don't seek this. Thus, we're all the genetic pr…
/r/MGTOW227/08/20 01:04 PM
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To be fair younger women are more likely to be interested in purely casual relationships, and as long as some guy is paying her rent she won't care about cohabitation. However, if a woman is in an LTR, chances are she'll want it to be at least heading towards cohabitation and marriage. What girl wants to tell her friends that her boyfriend doesn't want her around all the time? Remember - I'm talking about relationships, not casual dating. As long as the guy is paying lots of women will date comp…
/r/MGTOW227/08/20 10:23 AM
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That's my point. Women simply won't be held accountable for anything. The problem is giving them any kind of authority in the first place.
/r/MGTOW26/08/20 09:17 PM
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you can bet the simps in hell would petition for her to be sent to heaven, saying it was the man's idea for placing her near the button The problem is that they're right. Expecting people who aren't accountable for their decisions to make good decisions is foolish.
/r/MGTOW26/08/20 08:30 PM
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Yup, money won't make you happy, but it will: Make you a whole lot less stressed about where your next rent check is coming from. Give you the opportunity to do things you want to do. When I became single again I was able to save an INSANE amount of money. I used to worry about my job all the time (even though I'm doing well - the reality is that anybody can lose their job - it isn't something you can completely control). Now I don't even think about it. If I lost my job tomorrow I could easily …
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 01:53 PM
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Yup. I've never been great at creating friendships and sometimes I do feel lonely, but I don't feel anywhere near as lonely as I did at times when I was married. You just have no idea what it is like to be lying in bed next to somebody who treats you like shit and could care less about fixing it, and your options for resolving this are terrible. Life becomes about finding the least-worst solution to most of your problems. There is no way in hell I'll ever be in that situation again. I'm open to …
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 01:43 PM
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MGTOW isn't into relationships, as they serve no benefit. IMO there is nothing wrong with being in a relationship while MGTOW. Plenty of MGTOW like huMAN advocate for it. What they don't accept is marriage/cohabitation or being a doormat. Yes, there are some risks when you get into any relationship, but there are risks when you step out of your house. I agree with huMAN's stance on this - it is about reasonably calculated risks. Marriage is not a reasonable risk - the negative outcomes can be re…
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 01:33 PM
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Of course, the bias extends to a few different things: The levels of MGTOW concept as it is presented in this article is hardly universally accepted, though I will concede that a number of MGTOW would agree with it (if it were presented neutrally). There were a few examples of individuals the reporter checked in with, and they generally suggested they had outgrown MGTOW and had moved on to family life or whatever. The problem is that we have no idea whether these are representative of those the …
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 01:20 PM
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This is just refusal to take personal accountability. They're unhappy, and therefore somebody must be doing something to make them unhappy. No man has made them happy, and so there is something wrong with all men. There are plenty of things I don't like about the real world. I could go around complaining about how terrible the world is. Or I could just deal with it and create an environment around myself where I can be satisfied. If you don't start by taking ownership of fixing the problem, you'…
/r/MGTOW25/08/20 06:33 PM
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Of course guys shouldn't be so pushy that women have to literally fight, but at the same time if a woman doesn't consistently say no, I have a real problem with arguing that she didn't consent. The legal standard doesn't reflect reality in any way. If a guy did the stuff that the law requires then no woman would want to sleep with him. Everybody ends up breaking the rules, and then it comes down to selective enforcement. And even if you follow all the rules it still ends up coming down to one pe…
/r/MGTOW25/08/20 01:50 PM
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Additionally people change over time. I have no idea how those overlap stats are counted, but if somebody posts on a marriage support sub, then a year later on a divorce sub, then a year later on a dating sub, then a year later on an incel sub, then a year later on the other MGTOW sub, and now they're on MGTOW2, that really suggests a progression of sorts. Yes, the user has been in all those places, but that doesn't mean they've been in all those places at the same time. Gatekeeping doesn't real…
/r/MGTOW224/08/20 12:29 PM
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If his family and friends are OK with him sacrificing himself to the system for a women who doesn't give a dame about him, then they didn't really care about him to start with. This really seems like "with me or against me" thinking. 95% of people are not going to swallow the red pill. There is a middle way. You don't need to go along with them, but you don't have to antagonize them either. There are a lot of benefits to having good family relationships. Sure, it would be better if you could get…
/r/MGTOW224/08/20 12:25 PM
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It’s not really going your own way if you’re just agreeing with ppl to keep the peace, (his dad) then privately you hold a different set of beliefs. I don't think you have to live alone in the woods to go your own way. If you end up arguing with everybody you know, that is what will probably happen. There is nothing wrong with ghosting in plain sight. You can still get along with family/friends/coworkers/etc and just avoid the topics that are controversial. If you happen to have family who is un…
/r/MGTOW224/08/20 12:20 PM
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I love the parting advice: So if you plan on leaving make sure you are leaving for the right reasons and have a support system. Ie, when monkey-branching, make sure you test out the new branch and have a good grip on it before you let go of the one you're on.
/r/MGTOW23/08/20 12:08 PM
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May not be true if you have kids, depending on the state. Support is generally paid from the parent without physical custody to the one with physical custody. The relative incomes will change the amount of support, but not the direction it goes in. If the woman gets custody (which they almost always do), then typically the guy ends up paying support, and it can be quite significant even with lopsided incomes.
/r/MGTOW23/08/20 12:05 PM
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If I told him how I really felt about dating he would try to "fix" whatever is wrong with me and then let everyone in my family know. Dude... just be straight with him. Tell him women are too much trouble and you have too much to risk. You might want to address the concern he has already raised regarding doing this. How does it help if he alienates his entire family, and maybe friends as well?
/r/MGTOW223/08/20 12:01 PM
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I suspect this is a pretty common challenge when you're GYOW. Seeking advice seems reasonable - where else would they do it where they aren't just going to be told to man up? If you think he has father issues by all means offer suggestions as to how to address them.
/r/MGTOW223/08/20 11:59 AM
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The only option here is to have a kid and maybe marriage won’t work, so for some monthly payments, you can alleviate his concern (i.e. child support). If he wants more kids he can have more kids. He most likely isn't infertile. Those kids will have even more of his DNA than a grandson will.
/r/MGTOW223/08/20 11:05 AM
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Do they not realise they are basically throwing money away? Nope, the same as people buying lottery tickets. Actually, the lottery ticket might be more likely to pay out depending on the individual. Just look at all the people who fork over their cash to Twitch THOTs...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/08/20 08:45 PM
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Well, I suspect most guys pay. They're basically selling hope. If a woman isn't swiping right on you when your profile shows up randomly, then she isn't going to swipe right if you pay to spam her. That is true even if you're a victim of defaults where women aren't shown profiles of shorter guys - those defaults exist because of women's preferences, not to change them. However, a lot of guys buy into the soulmate nonsense. There is that one unicorn out there who would prefer me over Chad, and th…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/08/20 03:12 PM
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It isn't a cognitive thing. I think women look at a man and can just FEEL his worth. I think they put him into a box within seconds. I'm sure that can change, but much of it is instinctive. I'm sure the upper brain does some of the analysis, but the lower brain calls the shots. When a woman feels something for a man (whether attraction or loathing), she will rationalize it in her brain, but ultimately it is the feeling leading the way. Women are wired to find the majority of men they encounter u…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/08/20 03:29 PM
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Yeah, the only way this sort of job works is demanding cash up-front. Kind of like how all the dating websites work. They dangle profile photos in front of average 20 year old guys, and average 45 year old women, and they hand over cash thinking that this could be the lucky lottery ticket.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/08/20 02:17 PM
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This reminds me of something Tim Pool mentioned. I'm too lazy to dig up the actual study but would love to see it. The study was done on progressives vs conservatives. Basically they asked everybody to identify as one or the other, and were given a bunch of questions to answer. Then they were asked to predict how somebody with the opposite ideology would respond to the questions. They found that conservatives were able to predict how progressives would be able to response to most questions, but …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/08/20 02:15 PM
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It looks like enforcement under the Hague convention is a relatively recent thing, and many countries do not have published child support case records in English, so I can't find any citations. However, you can Google the Hague Child Support treaty, and it is pretty clear that countries are agreeing to enforce each other's support orders. If you want to take your chances and try living in a country that has signed the treaty knock yourself out. However, if you're going to go to the trouble to ge…
/r/MGTOW216/08/20 03:16 PM
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I see lots of people suggesting moving out of the country to evade child support. I get the emotion behind this. However, it is TERRIBLE advice 99% of the time. If you're in a situation where the courts have been completely unreasonable and you're facing an ultimatum you'll never be able to meet and prison is guaranteed, then at that point flight may make sense. There have been people who have done it. However: It requires a lot of preparation. It requires having either a TON of money saved that…
/r/MGTOW216/08/20 11:18 AM
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Uh, for most of human existence most women probably had two children by age 15. Yes, it is horrible for any kind of civilized society, but society isn't normal. For most of human existence it didn't exist either. Fortunately there will be some kind of equilibrium, because if society starts to decline then so will technology, and that will eliminate the pressures that have destroyed the traditional family. It isn't clear what that equilibrium will look like, or whether some new sustainable way to…
/r/MGTOW16/08/20 11:10 AM
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if they were taught how to be good men then they would choose good women and know how to behave in a relationship so the woman doesn’t start acting There are a couple of problems with what you're suggesting: Hypergamy. Women always want the best man they can find. They would rather share the best man than settle for an average man. Even if EVERY man became as good as the top 10% of men are today, that would just result in women becoming that much more selective, again rejecting 80-90% of men. Yo…
/r/MGTOW215/08/20 01:03 AM
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Oh, sure, there was plenty of cheating back then, but they definitely had to keep it behind closed doors.
/r/MGTOW14/08/20 01:29 PM
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So, this brings up a somewhat complex topic. Historically society was stable because it was built on top of a couple of key principles (ones which no longer apply, which is why things are falling apart): Having children was personally beneficial to a man, as they were an effective source of low-cost labor. Having a wife was personally beneficial to a man, as they were a source of profitable children, the needed care to raise them when they are unproductive, and able to perform a large number of …
/r/MGTOW14/08/20 12:13 PM
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...Jennifer Aniston or some other one in a million. They don't realize they don't have camera tricks to hide everything and personal trainers that cost more than they'll make in a lifetime. These celebrities are 2% hard work, and 98% genetics. If they turned into raisins they'd be hiding from the cameras and you wouldn't see them. Go pick any female actor who was a hearthrob or even a girl-next-door type in their 20s, and there is an 80% chance that they look like a raisin in their 40s. Most fem…
/r/MGTOW13/08/20 06:55 PM
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Their behavior is completely reasonable and understandable, but it is also a trap which tends to make them miserable, and it tends to make them terrible partners. That is obviously a complete generalization - it isn't that women CAN'T realize what is going on and do something about it. Rather, most of them don't. The trap is that they all go after the most attractive men they can find, and there aren't that many to go around. As a result these men have VERY little incentive to settle down, and t…
/r/MGTOW13/08/20 03:39 PM
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Maybe. I think that one thing that could offer some hope is more online-only male-only spaces. Obviously this is one, but I'm thinking men-only spaces focused around specific hobbies/interests/etc. The key is that it basically has to be anonymous and cheap. These sorts of things will be attacked by just about everybody, so they can't be vulnerable to cancellation.
/r/MGTOW13/08/20 01:32 PM
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Just human nature. If I had 12 employers calling me every day begging me to switch jobs and one-upping the others' signing bonuses then I can't imagine I'd put that much effort into my work. (Assuming I know that goofing off won't change the situation.) On the other hand, if I was getting turned down on every job application and my boss said I needed to step it up if I wanted to keep the job I had, then you can bet I'd be taking my job very seriously.
/r/MGTOW13/08/20 12:45 PM
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the woman would provide for the house and respect the man by doing XYZ and she would also have sex with you etc Historically the main function of women in a family was taking care of the house, having kids, raising kids for the first 8-10 years, and providing sex. Today the first three of those are largely obsolete. A house doesn't need a full-time caretaker due to automation. Nobody wants a dozen or more kids because kids don't have the same short-term economic benefits they did 100 years ago (…
/r/MGTOW13/08/20 12:39 PM
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It’s too bad that most fathers don’t teach anything about masculine frame, hell a good amount of us don’t even have fathers in our lives period. Not really. The fact that most men are unattractive to women saves them from a lot of grief. The lesson that men really need to learn is that you don't need women to be happy in the first place. Ironically figuring this out will also make you more attractive to them. I'm not saying that men can't have relationships with women and that there can never be…
/r/MGTOW213/08/20 12:01 PM
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So, having just sat through the Wendover video, wouldn't the kids get the kidneys regardless? :)
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/08/20 12:10 AM
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Isn't that against bible teachings though? I'm pretty sure pedophilia is too. An even easier way to save money is to stop molesting kids. I don't think it was a serious suggestion...
/r/MGTOW12/08/20 07:39 PM
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Ok, perhaps I should have said "natural" instead of "normal." That said, I don't think it is THAT unusual either. It just isn't talked about much.
/r/MGTOW12/08/20 05:42 PM
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If you took the entire female population less than .0001% would be participating in a gang bang before they can drive. I'm pretty skeptical of that claim. Oh, sure, that particular activity is probably still a relatively small minority, though I think a LOT more women would do it if they thought there would be no consequences. She was just doing what she felt like doing, and so were the guys. It is only shocking because we don't talk about it. The girl had some major problems. Considering she is…
/r/MGTOW12/08/20 05:35 PM
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US labor law is a bit more complex. First, you have a ton of local laws, which could set minimum salary, rules, etc. These vary by where you work, mostly at the state level but it can happen at lower levels. At a national level there are two categories: exempt and non-exempt. Exempt employees are basically not covered by most of the laws that regulate salary/hours/pay/etc. This is generally limited to high-skill/professional jobs - the rationale is that these sorts of workers are generally in hi…
/r/MGTOW12/08/20 04:18 PM
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It is like the lottery. They're selling women hope. People will pay a lot of money for hope.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/08/20 01:03 PM
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I always wonder about this. Can people not add? If you have a kid at age 40, then you'll be 60 when that kid is still in college. Do you want to be paying for college when you're 60? Do you want to be the parents at the wedding and look like you're the grandparents? Do you want the kid to grow up without grandparents because that entire generation died out when they were 5? If you want to be done with kids completely when you're 55, then you should probably stop giving birth when you're 30. If y…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/08/20 01:00 PM
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Sounds like oncology. I read somewhere that doctors spend WAY less money on end-of-life procedures than non-doctors. They have the money to spend, access to these procedures, and they know all about them. And yet when given a choice of a last-ditch effort or doing nothing, they more often choose nothing compared to non-doctors. An oncologist will tell the patient that a treatment will make them feel miserable for 6 months and have a 5% chance of success. The doctor-patient hears this story and s…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/08/20 12:56 PM
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Occasionally I have brief relationships but either find it difficult to make a good connection or am rejected by men I had hope for. Inevitably I fall back on casual flings as a way for companionship and physical intimacy. Indeed...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/08/20 12:49 PM
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Wanting to have sex when you're 15 is completely normal for everybody. Guys on the football team are attractive. She was behaving in a completely normal (albeit non-traditional) way when she had sex with the football team. This is how most people behave when there are no perceived consequences. It is also natural for men to assault people when they're angry, and that is how men would behave if we didn't have laws against it. What we're seeing is a tremendous increase in perceived personal freedo…
/r/MGTOW12/08/20 12:08 PM
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It could also lead to a ton of subcontracting (often overseas). If small employers are exempt, then you'll see 80% of the work getting done by small employers, or large overseas employers. The latter would probably be much more convenient, so this is going to be terrible for jobs for everybody. And the overseas jobs won't be in places like Germany where they take care of employees. They will be in places where employees are disposable.
/r/MGTOW12/08/20 11:49 AM
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For higher-paying jobs hours worked really isn't a very meaningful metric in the US. Typically everybody is on the books for 40 hours or whatever. Usually pay is based on historical performance. Every year I get evaluated on how well I am getting my projects/etc done and based on this outcome I get a bonus and a small adjustment in pay. The higher you go up in a company, typically the more of your pay is in the form of a performance-based bonus. In positions that are more sales-related almost al…
/r/MGTOW12/08/20 11:47 AM
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While I feel for them, the more these guys fork out, the less pressure there is for the government to force me to fork out in their stead...
/r/MGTOW12/08/20 11:16 AM
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That could work, though the problem is that people could have kids, THEN get sterilized and sign up for UBI. Then people will cry "think of the children" and not disallow this and will provide UBI for the kids too. The only way to deal with kids is before they're born, because after they're born they're basically victims. The kids didn't ask to be born into poverty, and so it is hard for people to let them suffer for their mother's decisions. That said, a tax-free UBI is actually something you C…
/r/MGTOW12/08/20 11:15 AM
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Yeah, I just used "sterilization" loosely - permanent or long-term contraception would be just as effective, though the latter case would require people to get treated periodically.
/r/MGTOW11/08/20 01:58 PM
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Honestly, any R&D costs that go into developing it would easily pay for themselves. Kids that aren't well-raised are a HUGE cost on society. And it could be long-term contraception instead though that obviously requires re-visits.
/r/MGTOW11/08/20 01:57 PM
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Nothing wrong with credit cards if you treat them the same as debit cards. You don't pay interest on them this way. Idiots spending more than they have is the root cause. Maybe we do have more of them in the US, or maybe other countries don't make credit so easily available.
/r/MGTOW11/08/20 01:37 AM
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we should honestly pay people like her (29F) with below-average intelligence a large sum to undergo voluntary self-sterilization I'd go a step further: mandatory reversible sterilization for everybody before puberty. That would be paid for by the government (trust me, it will pay for itself 100x over in reduced welfare and prison costs). If you want to have a kid you apply for a license the same as driving a car/etc. You take classes, pass a basic test, and you need both parents to sign off on t…
/r/MGTOW11/08/20 01:16 AM
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The police SHOULDN'T point guns at people. This is a BAD thing. That was basically my entire point. I just went a step further and said that if it is ok for police to point guns at random people if they feel threatened, then the police shouldn't mind when people point their guns at them if THEY feel threatened. Taken another step, if it is ok for a police officer to shoot somebody because they pointed a gun at them, why isn't it ok for citizens to shoot police officers when they point a gun at t…
/r/MGTOW09/08/20 11:50 AM
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That's basically my point. Most contests that are designed to be equally-matched between men/women or give advantage to women tend to be pretty artificial in their design, or subjective in their judgement.
/r/MGTOW09/08/20 11:47 AM
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Women are superior at a number of other things.l that men aren’t. Honestly, if you want to generalize there really aren't that many things that women on average are better at than men. You mostly have to come up with things to evaluate them on which are tailored towards morphological differences. For example, if you make a tiny hole in a wall I'm sure a larger percentage of women than men could fit through it, because on average women tend to be smaller (at least if they eat right). In most prac…
/r/MGTOW09/08/20 12:53 AM
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Most of this is obvious and already addressed in the other comments. However, I'll raise a point I've heard somebody else make: women tend to think collectively, while men compete individually. It makes no difference to a man if some other man proves he is just as X as Y. When a man does something great, that is his achievement. Women on the other hand think more collectively. When a woman sets a women's record, all women think of it as some kind of achievement on behalf of all women. They take …
/r/MGTOW09/08/20 12:47 AM
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This is ridiculous. The standards for cops should be no different from anybody else. You shouldn't point your gun at somebody unless they're an immediate threat to somebody's life. If they have a gun, then at the very least that means they need to have a gun pointed at somebody, not merely drawn. Police regularly point guns at people while they're trying to figure out whether they're dangerous or not. There is no reason that they should feel threatened when other people do the same to them. That…
/r/MGTOW08/08/20 11:46 PM
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The flip side of this is that not only are men obsessed with achievement, but they're good at it too. This bias is literally baked into human DNA, and in many of the species we evolved from before that. As a result males have been selected to be highly successful in competition. Sure, in any competition between two men there is a winner and a loser, but they're both men. Put that man up against a woman in almost any event, and the man will win, unless the event is carefully tailored to benefit t…
/r/MGTOW08/08/20 11:37 PM
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If you can only get a job that provides $45k/year, then you’re next to worthless. True, but at least you get to eat. For men, that isn't a given. If you can't get that job, then you could literally end up living on the streets.
/r/MGTOW08/08/20 11:34 PM
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Girls with AS are not seen as creepy for awkwardness or missing small social cues. Girls find no difficulty in dating, etc. It is basically a non-issue for women due to this and I actually had a “based” counselor in the past actually tell me more or less that (which resonated with me as it was something I already knew). Yeah, when I see women talking about ASD is it a bit like women complaining about being ForeverAlone or whatever. Everybody instantly wants to be their friend and there are a baz…
/r/MGTOW08/08/20 10:19 AM
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I have an autism diagnosis from a psychiatrist but I never told any of my classmates or employers. The only thing I want them to think of me as, is the guy who gets the job done, through actions. Nothing else matters. That's because to them, nothing else does matter. If you talk about your condition with them, they'll see you as a liability. They won't think about how you accomplish things in spite of difficulties - they'll just think of you as defective. If you produce, you'll be appreciated. T…
/r/MGTOW08/08/20 10:15 AM
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Yup, although I think she will probably wait a few years before she actually thinks to try that. She'll probably get passed around a bit before then.
/r/MGTOW207/08/20 10:38 PM
2

Rolo Tomassi made a great comment - with all her talks about rules and warnings and so on she sounds like somebody who works in HR. Probably because she's had more than a few interactions with HR getting rid of guys who gave her unwanted attention at work.
/r/MGTOW07/08/20 09:16 PM
2

That other Chad DUMPED her and that is why she's lashing out and calling guys little boys. He probably didn't even dump her. Just look at her points. Chances are Chad had 12 other THOTianas or whatever she calls them on the side. She dumped him because she couldn't stand not being exclusive. Then that last point is probably because Chad was bored one night and figured he's see if she was still around for a booty call (probably after she had taken off her makeup after work). Of course, he wasn't …
/r/MGTOW07/08/20 09:15 PM
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More like the top 1-2% at most. More like the top 0.01-0.02%. She is used to getting attention from guys due to her looks, was a TV celebrity with lots of connections, and has lots of money. Being a guy that checks off all the normal over-demanding checklists is probably what it takes to even have your existence acknowledged by her. Of course she'll probably sleep with any guy who simply is attractive, but the fact is that she feels like even those guys aren't good enough for her and it drives h…
/r/MGTOW207/08/20 09:12 PM
10

That's the thing with so many ambitious women. Women find that super-assertiveness attractive in men, but most men don't want to deal with that at home. Even more average women can be really a pain to live with - hence the man cave. A woman who is used to arguing for this and that at work and getting her way is just going to be that times 50. Women have every right to live and work the way they want, but if they want somebody else to live with them then they need to consider that the behaviors t…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/08/20 01:30 PM
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She was by all accounts an ugly fucking chick. There are no shortage of guys who would have been happy to be with her. None of them are up to her standards. At her level of fame/money there are probably 20 guys on the planet who are up to her standards, and they could date literally any woman on the entire planet. AWALT. They set their sights high, and then wonder why these guys who have a million choices all act like assholes. On the flip side women mostly have a million choices and they act li…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/08/20 01:23 PM
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I suspect that most of the money actually comes from men. Keep in mind that 80% of men are unattractive to women - these guys are desperate to do anything to get attention from women. Women don't need to pay for super-likes or whatever. They just sign up and watch their inbox flood. It is the guys who have to pay extra to stand out. Now, some women might be willing to pay more to find a "real man" - it doesn't help, but women tend to be the ones who hire the professional dating services for post…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/08/20 06:45 PM
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Uh, wow. Yeah, there you go, as long as you don't need more than one pose.
/r/MGTOW06/08/20 05:24 PM
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huMAN actually talked about this in a live stream yesterday. Sure, most of us like the touch of a female. It does make us happier when considered in isolation. But then you have to consider what you have to give up to obtain it. Suppose you have a practical car. Would you be a little happier if you had a $200k car instead? Perhaps, considered in isolation. But then think about all the other things you'd have to give up in order to pay for it. Epicureanism is a good way of looking at this stuff. …
/r/MGTOW206/08/20 03:38 PM
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So, is it illegal to beg using an image that isn't of yourself? Ie just grab a stock photo or whatever (legally), and then use it to beg? You wouldn't make any promises - just like here. I'd think that would be completely legal, especially if you never claim that the picture is of yourself. If you were to try it I'd probably make sure you are using the photo legally (ie you paid a license fee/etc or it is public domain). If some prosecutor wants to make an example out of you they'll look for ANY…
/r/MGTOW06/08/20 01:27 PM
11

It is like buying a lottery ticket, just without the drawing. You get to dream that somehow it makes a difference.
/r/MGTOW06/08/20 01:25 PM
16

My ex wife left me for a rich guy. IMO this is actually one of the best things that can happen to a married man. You're going through divorce with a woman who thinks that her new man is going to be her provider, and that you don't have much to offer. That means that she has a lot of incentive to make the divorce smooth and non-contentious. After all, she isn't married to the new guy, so the last thing she wants to come across as is vindictive. She wants the rich guy to marry her, so she has to b…
/r/MGTOW05/08/20 06:49 PM
2

When she is single that means there is no one currently to bear her expenses. Well, at least not exclusively. I'm sure her orbiters/onlyfans still collectively chip in.
/r/MGTOW05/08/20 02:14 PM
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Just wait until deepfake/etc or just voice modulation gets a lot better. Especially if there is work from home. If we get to a point where anybody can be a woman then much of the advantage goes away. Just get your gender legally changed and masquerade at work as an attractive woman - just make sure you do something online-only. Scammers of course figured this stuff out a long time ago.
/r/MGTOW05/08/20 01:22 AM
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in highschool&college we all learn that being a nice guy doesn't get you anywhere with Women Not really. Most guys don't have more than 1-3 girlfriends in that span of time. That isn't a lot of opportunity to discover patterns like this. It isn't like being rude with women automatically gets you dates either. when suddenly some woman in her 30s shows an interest in being with you, it just means she wants your money Most of these guys haven't had that much luck with women before this point. They …
/r/MGTOW04/08/20 07:36 PM
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There is a youtube video from some girl who went Bi and started commenting on things that drove her crazy dating women. Basically all the stuff men already complain about. A woman like this won't be content dating a wealthy woman like her, because she wants somebody who will spend a lot of money on her, and that is going to likely be the attitude of the other person. huMAN did a good talk on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yratql6VHrc Women don't just want a wealthy guy. They want a wealth…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/08/20 07:03 PM
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Now Indians are experiencing a development of their economy and their military power, but their values are falling apart. I think the problem is that modern technology is just incompatible with traditional culture. I mean, yes, in theory you could still follow the old culture, but most of the incentives go away. Why did people form nuclear families in the past? It was the most efficient way to raise a herd of kids, and manage a household. Why would people need either of those? Simple, kids were …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/08/20 06:34 PM
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Yup. She's looking for a man who can "handle" her. Guys who could handle her have zero interest in having household arguments with a professional lawyer every day.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/08/20 03:47 PM
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To be fair it is the opposite of the norm. By default, humans want to seek mates and most people spend their lives either in a relationship or chasing relationships. Well, it is the norm CULTURALLY, but not naturally. Seeking mates is of course natural. Relationships are dubious at best - certainly monogamous ones are. Marriage/etc is entirely an artificial construct. I'm not saying that it was a bad construct, for its time and when it was actually balanced. I'm just saying that you don't see ap…
/r/MGTOW02/08/20 09:58 PM
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Soon To Be Ex-Wife I'm guessing.
/r/MGTOW202/08/20 09:54 PM
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I would only do that if you had no other choice. There are guys who have done this, and most of them say the same. Most who do this were facing prison. If you end up in a situation where your support obligations become impossible to meet and you're facing almost certain prison, then it might make sense to become a fugitive. It isn't easy to do, and it basically means abandoning all family/friends/etc. It should never be your default option. But, if you're going to lose it all no matter what, the…
/r/MGTOW02/08/20 11:51 AM
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Yeah, on the other hand rebuilding yourself is another matter. Check with a lawyer about your jurisdiction though. If you stack cash in retirement accounts it MIGHT be protected. Not so much while you're married (they often are split up during divorce), but after you're divorced I'm not sure that most courts would touch these accounts for child support. But, again, check with your lawyer about your local laws, and also ask them what happens if your ex moves to another state while you're still pa…
/r/MGTOW02/08/20 11:48 AM
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It does vary by country/state/etc. The reason for these laws tells you everything you need to know. Look at this woman's example. She had a ONS with some guy she probably could never track down. If her husband was able to establish non-paternity then he could be off the hook for support, and there is no other guy to go after. If this woman ends up not being able to afford the child, then the state has to step in and pay at least part of the costs of raising that kid. The government would rather …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/08/20 06:58 PM
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They're saving that for 2021...
/r/MGTOW31/07/20 08:59 PM
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Keep in mind that large sums of money are viewed with suspicion by the police, may be illegal to transport in some ways, and often can simply be seized without any proof that the money was obtained illegally. So, it isn't a very safe way to store money in general. It obviously is more resistant to seizure by the courts than a bank account with your name on it. Crypto may be a more secure way to store money IF you know what you're doing (most don't), and assuming you can get the money into that f…
/r/MGTOW230/07/20 05:30 PM
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Sure, if the client specifies something then deliver it to them. Even then I would recommend to the client using an unambiguous date format simply because it is a better practice. I just know that stuff like this happens all the time. Reports are often used as a substitute for a query because IT depts tend to be stingy about giving out read-only access to databases...
/r/MGTOW29/07/20 01:17 PM
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That is pretty easy to understand. It is the difference between a slave and a serf and an owner. (Keep in mind that an "owner" in the modern world still pays taxes/etc so is just a more free sort of serf.) As you progressively give people more of a vested interest in their own performance, the better they will perform. The slave works just hard enough to not get beat. The serf works to feed his family. The owner works to create wealth and prosperity for his family. The purpose of culture is to a…
/r/MGTOW229/07/20 12:27 AM
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Panopticon theory I think - they let you know that they're always watching, but they leave you in doubt as to what exactly will cause them to pounce on you, so that way you self-censor.
/r/MGTOW29/07/20 12:16 AM
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To learn something you often need positive and negative reinforcement. Simp tries simping and doesn't get anywhere. Simp tries not simping and doesn't get anywhere. What lesson are they supposed to learn? The guys you are talking about have to basically change their entire personality and outlook on life if they want to get anywhere. They can't just experiment with this one thing or that one thing. Learning by trial and error is basically not an option for them. What they really need are a few f…
/r/MGTOW28/07/20 08:36 PM
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Except they don't actually tell you what was good or bad...
/r/MGTOW28/07/20 08:21 PM
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You want justice. You probably aren't going to get it. That is the reality we live in, and you need to accept that. Do what you can, but don't cut off your nose to spite your face. Your lawyer is going to outline your legal options. You should probably listen to him. I'd focus on getting out of this and doing what you can to cover yourself if this woman does anything else (which could involve moving/disappearing/etc). Trying to get justice in an unjust world could just backfire. Yes, none of wha…
/r/MGTOW228/07/20 05:25 PM
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I would avoid it even on reports. People copy/paste stuff off of reports all the time, usually because copy/pasting a report doesn't require 47 change orders and 18 approvals from IT...
/r/MGTOW28/07/20 04:14 PM
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I also recommend YYYY-MM-DD. However, I've also seen formats like 04-JUL-2020 recommended in situations like this. Obviously it is a bit more of a pain for a computer to parse, but it has the advantage that it is completely unambiguous. I've seen places require formats like this in situations where dates might be legally disputed (less of an issue with computers, but in the era of paper records a lot could hinge on the interpretation of a date). A format like this is both unambiguous and difficu…
/r/MGTOW28/07/20 04:13 PM
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Seriously, just get some fish...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/07/20 12:24 AM
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It boils down to people not seeing men being abused as a problem. Others have said as much in the other comments so I won't elaborate on this bit. Instead I'll talk a little bit about dark humor. One of the purposes of laughter is to communicate that everything is fine despite it superficially not being fine. It is common for people to laugh after being in a dangerous situation once everything is safe again. It is common to laugh at a horror scene in a movie/etc. In both cases this is because th…
/r/MGTOW227/07/20 06:57 PM
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I'm surprised nobody has brought up religion. I think a lot of tradcon-types are making an argument based on religious traditions, but they don't say this because they know that religion doesn't sell like it used to. I don't want to get into an argument on religion itself, but I will just comment that there is a BIG difference between marriage as it is described in just about every major religion I know anything about, and how it is codified in the laws of most western countries. They might both…
/r/MGTOW227/07/20 01:12 PM
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generaly marrying increase man's life expendancy. The study doesn't show this at all, because it doesn't compare how long any man would have lived if they had or had not gotten married. The study is just as supportive of the absurd statement that living a long time increases your chance of being married. The problem is that studies like these can only show association, not causality. You'd need to randomly assign people to get married or not to really show causality (there are other ways potenti…
/r/MGTOW227/07/20 01:03 PM
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Especially since he had typos in his messages. (Not knocking him - I'm hardly composing poetry when I text, but you'd think that if somebody were a "sapiosexual" they'd be more focused on grammar than the size of his sausage.)
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/07/20 11:37 PM
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Well, not necessarily "negative" but there would be a lot of discussion of how men/women tend to interact. Some people make these conversations explicitly negative in tone/etc. Others tend to stick more to the facts, but some consider even that negative simply because it is red-pilled. From what I've seen the mods here are fine with general red-pilled discussion of how men/women interact and what is best for men, but they prefer that this discussion come from a positive frame. Not so much to foc…
/r/MGTOW226/07/20 12:41 AM
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if we want to see more varied content we should perhaps create specific sections (pinned posts?) about things like finance, life choices, fitness, etc Personally I don't get why we'd want to do that. As you've already pointed out, there are plenty of subs to post about that stuff on, and you'll get a much wider audience to interact with who are actually interested in that topic...
/r/MGTOW225/07/20 08:52 PM
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We should be focusing on things like making money, hobbies, and meeting our other needs in a way that doesn't revolve around women. I post about this stuff all the time. I just don't post about it on this sub or using this account, and I have zero interest in reading posts by others on this stuff here, because it is going to be all over the place. Chances are that I don't care about your hobbies, and you don't care about mine. That's fine. The whole point of going your OWN way is that it is DIFF…
/r/MGTOW225/07/20 08:50 PM
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"Don't you worry because should you get bored and will want to step out, I'll have no problems with that". However, once he signs the deed, it's going to be the "good old" Doesn't matter either way. She is into him for his money. Once she marries him then that money is hers. She doesn't care if the guy goes after other women, because she knows that they won't be interested since his money is already spoken for. His value is in his money. Once she has that he has no value.
/r/MGTOW223/07/20 05:05 PM
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You also have to realize that a lot of guys who fall into this are in the bottom 80% of men. If they break up, chances are they're going to remain single for a fairly long time, and the only women who will be interested in them will be because they're looking for somebody to abuse. It certainly isn't healthy, but just acknowledging that doesn't magically make their problems go away. It is the first step, but not the last.
/r/MGTOW222/07/20 06:59 PM
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If that dude has a brain, he'd get away from her. Agree, though there are two issues with this: The guy is grieving. His brain isn't working right and a lot of men who have gone through this would understand. The blue pill indoctrination runs deep. Guys will take a LOT of abuse from their wives. It isn't that they aren't smart - they need a different kind of smart or different way of looking at the world. Intro them to red pill and in a lot of cases is like they are seeing the world for the firs…
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 04:52 PM
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Yup. Pandemic comes along - it is a threat to safety. So women retreat to the men who make them feel safe, which would be the guys who have a roof over their head and a well-stocked pantry, not the cute guy who plays guitar. Now, once there aren't any worries about being able to hang out at the bar they'll be right back again trying to catch Chad's attention.
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 04:01 PM
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With each break up, you're diminishing your ability to love someone truly and completely. "Love" is a loaded word. If it is nothing more than infatuation/excitement/arousal then you can "love" as many people as you want. If you mean self-sacrificing love, then of course you can't go giving that away to everybody before you've sacrificed so much of yourself that nothing is left. That's like setting out to join the military and earn as many purple hearts as you can.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/07/20 01:50 PM
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That, and she doesn't want the reality that all actions have consequences no matter what authority says they ought not to.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/07/20 01:42 PM
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In principle I agree but she is going to not want him spending money on other women, and that is the only way a guy like this is going to get sex. This is why open marriages generally don't work for men, but only for women. The main value a woman has to a man is her body, and in an open marriage the woman can offer her body. The main value a man has to a woman is his ability to provide (90% of the time), and a married man cannot offer provision. If this woman is only sticking around because she …
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 12:08 PM
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While I obviously wouldn't accept this situation, if you've gotten to the point where you don't expect to ever have sex with your wife anyway, then I'm not sure how much you'd care that she is having sex with somebody else. If in turn she lets you have sex outside of marriage that might even get you more of what you're seeking, though you'd probably have to pay for it unless you're some kind of Chad (which seems unlikely here). It isn't like he has to worry about catching an STD from her... If y…
/r/MGTOW22/07/20 12:05 PM
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This is just Poe's law. Is this guy the world's biggest simp, or just a good troll? There is just no way to know because there are plenty of both.
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 05:32 PM
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I think /u/1xTom had the gist of it. I think this is often a progressive thing. A kid starts off on an antisocial path. This could be the result of abuse at home. Maybe they're high-functioning autistic or have some other developmental issue. Maybe they were born close to the grade cutoff and are immature for their peer group. They end up being the kid at the bottom of the pecking order. Nobody wants to be associated with them. Everybody makes fun of them. They turn inward. They fall behind and …
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 03:09 PM
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TFM summarized it well. If men find it attractive, then it is sexist/degrading/mysoginist. If men find it unattractive, then it is empowering. Women are intentionally making themselves uglier (IMO). Then they wonder why sex dolls are getting more and more popular. That's setting aside weight. While being overweight is a turnoff I think most guys can get past it, especially if they're only a bit overweight. I don't think most guys really think they're going to get a bikini model as a girlfriend. …
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 02:55 PM
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As I understand it the troops are all single-gender. There can just now be all-female troops as part of the "Scouts."
/r/MGTOW20/07/20 07:15 PM
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https://external-preview.redd.it/RXkt8S3hHX5Md-XSt06DyndcuwZzmB0y1EGXD79GQZk.png?width=837&auto=webp&s=fc93830a465cb0f4e74d51964c548cafda72c241
/r/MGTOW19/07/20 07:41 PM
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But then when they're in their 30's, and no guy wants them, they are surprised and hurt. When it is one guy she can just say he wasn't up to her standards anyway. When it is one guy after another she can keep saying it. However, when she realizes she hasn't had a real relationship in years, she is forced to realize that the only thing they all have in common is her. I've known guys like this with jobs. They have problems at work so they're out of there with "you can't fire me, I quit!" That work…
/r/MGTOW19/07/20 12:37 AM
2

I doubt most guys care about sleeping with a pro. It is being associated with her in public that is the problem. I mean, what guy wants to take a whore to the family holiday dinner?
/r/MGTOW19/07/20 12:33 AM
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Society really dun fked up a few generations of girls and dating. It is all the virtue signaling. If you say that you wouldn't date a sex worker on social media you'll be driven out of town for slut shaming. So, the 95% of guys who would never want to introduce such a woman to their families will just keep their mouth shut, and the only people talking are feminist-types. Just saw a completely ridiculous post on social media from a guy I know. I was tempted to reply but I realized it was just goi…
/r/MGTOW19/07/20 12:32 AM
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Yup. She basically thinks she might be able to do better but isn't certain. If she was sure she could do better then she'd just reject him. Or maybe he has some potential as a future orbiter/bailout (good job/etc), and she wants to keep him in the back pocket long-term. Women absolutely hate the idea that they could have done better. If he does go out with her she is going to be looking for the next one the entire time.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/07/20 02:54 PM
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Well, sure, for a couple of photos and a few MB of internet data transfer. Obviously women aren't going to get paid the same for a photo as they're going to get paid to sleep with somebody. However, that website can sell those photos 24x7 to people halfway around the world while she is off doing other things. Onlyfans is just a symptom. Feminism is a symptom. The world is changing. MGTOW is a reaction to that change. The real question is whether the world will find a new sustainable culture that…
/r/MGTOW18/07/20 12:44 PM
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It is just revealing how the market works. Supply and demand. Young women are in high demand - they can command a very high price. Onlyfans just lets them more efficiently extract this price.
/r/MGTOW17/07/20 03:51 PM
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IMO feminism is just a symptom. The root cause is human nature and changes in our technology and to a lesser degree culture. People only behaved differently in the past because their options were different. A lot of things changed, and feminism is the result. That is why you can't just "fight feminism" - it is like trying to cure cancer with aspirin. If you want to change how people are behaving, you have to change their options. I suspect we'll have to find some kind of "new normal" that everyb…
/r/MGTOW17/07/20 03:44 PM
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If you have no kids, and been married less than ten years, GET OUT NOW. This is pretty solid advice in general, but I'd also talk to a lawyer. 10yrs is definitely a threshold in a lot of states but you'll want to understand how the decision impacts you where you are at. But, yes, if this is how she's behaving it isn't going to get better, and your options will only get worse.
/r/MGTOW17/07/20 03:41 PM
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While I'm all for trying to keep a relationship together if that seems likely, the fact is that the longer you wait to divorce, the more expensive it often ends up getting for the man. So, if you're saving a marriage that can actually be saved that is one thing. However, if you're just putting up with something that isn't really a marriage then you're just wasting your life and your money.
/r/MGTOW17/07/20 03:35 PM
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No no no (/s). The author of the article addresses that: See, I hate the "lower your standards thing," because I'm always thinking about my friend [who married a janitor] and I don't view [their marriage] as "lowering your standards." I view this as making a different kind of choice. And as an older married guy, I also have something else to add: All marriage involves compromise. You'll learn this. Sometimes the fun part of marriage is working through the compromise and figuring out your comfort…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/07/20 03:01 PM
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Yup. I wouldn't call myself an 8/10 but I could probably get there if I spent some time in the gym, and I otherwise tick off just about all the other boxes. Why would I bother? The only reason I try to stay in modestly-good shape is for me. Maybe I could have a revolving door of women showing up at my house, but other than some STDs and a lot of drama, what does that really get me? I guess it gets you social approval by people who envy you, but that really doesn't matter to me. GYOW. I mean, if …
/r/MGTOW16/07/20 05:18 PM
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Yeah, I once took a look out of curiosity and while nobody mentions numbers I'm not surprised to hear that at all. It seems like most basically just want Chad with an allowance.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/07/20 11:29 AM
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It can be easy for some to feel lost or without a purpose, like i know some of my friends are. I've personally started to make my goal improving my life towards a certain degree/level/point i find favorable and good...Definitely had to learn the hard way through dating that women are shit and shouldn't be considered a priority in life. I think the loss of religion has been weighing hard on society. I'm not saying that religion is the solution, but just that it has left a vacuum. People don't do …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/07/20 05:51 PM
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I have no idea if the issue is biological with women, or cultural driven by male biology. Either way most women just don't mature much in adulthood. My guess is that it is just culture. Guys are constantly covering for women and white knighting and so on, so many just don't learn to take responsibility for themselves. If your father or a boyfriend will pay your rent every month, then why would you worry about budgeting for rent? I have relatives who have kids living in the city and as far as I c…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/07/20 05:32 PM
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The problem is, when men make compromises in exchange for other things of value, they are just being duped. Now, THAT is something I can agree with. The skin-deep beauty is available to evaluate up-front (more or less). Whether she'll turn into a witch after a month is something that is harder to figure out without wasting a month with a witch.
/r/MGTOW13/07/20 02:58 PM
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Ugly ass bitch. Honestly, if her superficial beauty was her biggest problem he'd probably be a happy guy. Most guys don't care if their partner looks like a supermodel. I think women actually worry about that stuff more than 95% of guys. Then again, the guys that women all want to sleep with do care about the looks, in part because they can only sleep with so many women in a week... :) Really though if you think the biggest problem with women is their looks then your priorities are seriously mes…
/r/MGTOW13/07/20 12:37 PM
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Agree, though I'm skeptical that in 2010 it was 20+%. Maybe that is people who marry their high school partners or something. More likely it is people lying on the survey.
/r/MGTOW13/07/20 11:28 AM
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What the fuck kind of bullshit trade-off is that? You get a curriculum that's catered to your needs, an easier time getting admitted into prestigious academic institutions, extremely generous scholarships, entire departments dedicated to women's issues, government programs that are dedicated to hiring and promoting women, et cetera, all of which systematically screws over men. And in return we men get to act like women by being a bunch of overly emotional crybabies? Except it is a con - you don'…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/07/20 10:52 AM
3

Yeah. People used to think it was scary because 1984 was the not-so-distant future. Now it is scary because it is so on point.
/r/MGTOW11/07/20 12:06 AM
9

I'd offer an amendment to that translation: Translation: You don't have social status that will benefit me, or provide opportunities for me to monkey branch to a better partner.
/r/MGTOW210/07/20 02:08 PM
1

That is why I'd look for another job - you would want to get out of there before you end up in a situation where she feels frustrated at your lack of response. Sure, if you absolutely have to stay in the job then making the first move might help, but IMO once HR gets involved you're in trouble if you're a man. Obviously it isn't fair - but if you're counting on the system to come to your aid you're setting yourself up for trouble.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/07/20 12:13 PM
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That isn't likely to go well. You really don't want to stir up drama at work, and that is the whole reason for avoiding women at work in the first place.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/07/20 11:30 PM
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If a woman at work in my dept was flirting with me I'd be looking for a transfer if it didn't stop quickly. Messing with that seems like a career-limiting move. Sure, it shouldn't have to be that way, but that is reality.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/07/20 05:42 PM
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She does. Not that she will be interested in sleeping with 99% of them. There are plenty of thirsty guys out there. I'm sure she gets 100PMs per day begging for her attention. Women do stuff like this because of this perceived abundance. They think that raising their standards will weed out all the losers. What they don't stop to think about is that they're not actually raising their standards, but coming across as being demanding, and that means that the men she is filtering out are all the one…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/07/20 11:33 AM
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She even said if she had less money (humble life) she would been able to date man with less money. Yes, but look carefully at HOW she said it. She suggested that if she had less money then men with less money might be attracted to her, as if men are not attracted to women who make more money. The reality is that if she had less money then she would be more attracted to poor men, although she would NOT be attracted to men that were poorer than her. Men don't find women who make more money less at…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/07/20 03:56 PM
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Yeah, when the laws give a direct preference to gender in their construction you can usually fight them. However, most of the problems with marriage/etc are the result of indirect effects. The laws don't say that the man has to hand his money to the women. What they will say is that the noncustodial parent has to hand a lot of money to the custodial parent, and then courts end up giving custody to the mother almost all the time. Since the law itself is constructed in a gender-neutral manner it i…
/r/MGTOW208/07/20 01:57 PM
1

Keep in mind that getting rid of no-fault only works if the courts are fair/etc, or you need outright criminal convictions/etc. Women already accuse men of abuse as a legal tactic during divorce. Imagine if all divorce REQUIRED proving fault? In such a situation EVERY man would get accused of abuse as the first step in the divorce process. Then every man has to fight an expensive battle against the state. The real problem with divorce is gynocentrism, and that isn't going away.
/r/MGTOW208/07/20 01:53 PM
2

That is true, but the laws will still be adjusted in a way that tends to put men at a disadvantage. All they need to do with lesbians is minimize the cost of divorce proceedings themselves and award joint custody so that nobody pays child support to the other, and eliminate alimony. That isn't anything that would encode a gender preference in law - it would just be a matter of practice. Judges would award equal custody for lesbian couples, and would award primary custody to the woman for heteros…
/r/MGTOW208/07/20 01:50 PM
1

That has been happening for ages now - this won't drive change. Now, what is already starting to drive change is the fact that younger women are starting to out-earn men. The parts of the laws that are driven by relative income end up becoming advantageous to men, and there are already pushes to eliminate things like alimony as a result. Traditionally alimony has tended to benefit women but in the future it would tend to benefit men, and thus it will be eliminated. Child support is the biggest c…
/r/MGTOW208/07/20 01:46 PM
1

This guy is worth almost a billion dollars and has all the power in the world to show some backbone and stand up for himself, but instead cowers to the mob that is BLM. He has very little power in reality. Sure, he can retire if he wants, but if he wants to be CEO he has to look after the company's interest. The company doesn't care about BLM or your freedom. It cares about making money. Here is the reality. If you don't tow the line with BLM you get canceled. Leftists will organize boycotts at …
/r/MGTOW07/07/20 11:24 AM
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This is just a result of men being so driven to court women. At work I've evaluated resumes for jobs. HR filters out any that are obvious non-fits, and I get 2 dozen that at least meet basic qualifications. Often I end up with a dozen people who at least at a glance are all capable of doing the job, but I don't want to interview a dozen, and so I end up having to find ways to fairly filter them down. I end up getting pickier and pickier just to narrow down the list. The reason these women are so…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/07/20 11:57 PM
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That's a good point. Unless he had some way to find out I'm not sure why she would share it. After all, she's still a "virgin" so why would she need to tell him?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/07/20 01:10 PM
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This post is kinda p*ssing me off and i don't know why women do this kind of thing. They do it because they can get away with it, at least until they hit the wall. After then they are so used to doing it that they keep doing it, and wonder WAATGM. Women are constantly showered with attention and inquiries about sex. If a woman wants to have sex she doesn't even have to ask for it - she can just wait a fairly short time before a guy will ask her if she doesn't completely act like a dead fish. If …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/07/20 11:26 AM
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So what value does she have? She's clearly "skilled" at using selfie filters!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/07/20 09:02 PM
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Somebody needs to take the source code for the various "needs more jpeg" sites and create a "needs more filters" site. Women wonder why guys are turning to sex dolls when they go out of their way to make themselves look like they're made out of plastic.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/07/20 09:02 PM
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Yup. It is the same thing that leads to statements like 1/3 women are victims of rape or whatever. Ask a survey question like "have you ever had sex after drinking?" Boom, half the women in the country are rape victims. Most rape accusations can't be backed up with any kind of solid evidence even when they are reported. Even the definition of rape is legally problematic because it is based on consent, which is entirely a state of mind. At best you can have evidence like overheard conversations o…
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 02:25 PM
3

Hint: SNAP benefits supplied roughly 40 million Americans in 2018, at an expenditure of $57.1 billion Yikes! That is more than 10% of the population!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/07/20 12:18 PM
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Yeah. Officially their line is going to be progressive, but they really don't want political activists of any persuasion on the payroll. If you want to do political activism on company time then you humbly suggest it to your boss, and they run it past PR/legal/etc, and then maybe the department can go volunteer for Habitat for Humanity for a day or whatever. I bet you could even organize an official kneel protest event or something like that - but it would be highly sanitized and carefully photo…
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 10:36 PM
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Even 4s can get sex. Just not from the guys they want it from. If she posted that on reddit I bet she got 400 PMs from guys who want to "be there for her." Any one of them would sleep with her on request.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/07/20 06:36 PM
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Forbes publishes a list that is easy enough to Google. Note that you do have to read between the lines. They have the short "source of wealth" but that usually just lists a company/etc. When you read the short bio you'll then find out that the company was founded by their father/uncle/ex-husband/whatever. A fair number actually have high-paying jobs, but again they're jobs like CEO of the company founded by their father/etc.
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 07:19 PM
7

Have you noticed these days that women will scan men for any sign of weakness? This is nothing new. Women want to be with the most desirable man they can find - it is their reproductive instinct since women are limited in the number of children they can have. The only thing that really changes over time is their options. Back when it was socially unacceptable to sleep around the most desirable men got taken off the market, and women would settle for average men. Now the most desirable men are no…
/r/MGTOW30/06/20 01:21 PM
1

Meh - if somebody cares that much about something like this I have better things to do with my time. I realize that I might have described 90% of women with that statement, but that's OK. I don't have some kind of goal of finding "the one" so I can afford to exclude all of them.
/r/MGTOW229/06/20 09:04 PM
1

The cops can sometimes side with her. In most western countries the police are REQUIRED to side with her. They're often required to make an arrest too even if she doesn't want them to.
/r/MGTOW229/06/20 08:57 PM
2

Yup. You do NOT want the police to show up in any relationship unless you're gay and obviously the physically weaker partner. It is police policy in almost all locations to always arrest the person who is physically strongest. In many if not most places they're also required to make an arrest and charge that person - they aren't allowed to leave without hauling somebody to jail. About the only way it won't be the guy getting arrested is if it is some kind of case of elder/disabled/etc abuse. Onc…
/r/MGTOW229/06/20 08:56 PM
13

Gardening is fun and healthy/etc, and certainly to be encouraged. Just don't think that if SHTF that you're going to feed yourself that way in a city. I'm not sure you could grow enough food to feed one person in a half acre back yard, even with modern farming, let alone whatever you're dealing with if there is no food in a grocery store. People don't realize just how much farmland it takes to feed one person. Just look out the window when you're flying across the US and consider most of that fo…
/r/MGTOW228/06/20 03:18 PM
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Sure, assuming they both know what is going on. Really though in a cheating situation I hold the person who is married more responsible than the one who is single. The one person made a promise and broke it. The other person never promised anything to anybody. Sure, it is still terrible behavior, but IMO it is the lesser offense by far. In some cases the other person may not even know the person they are sleeping with was married, in which case IMO they are innocent. Of course, our society just …
/r/MGTOW228/06/20 12:37 PM
1

Yup. If the woman considered this guy a potential bailout then you know she is going to be making herself as available as possible to him to try to reel him in.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/06/20 12:55 PM
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you can actually be held financially and legally responsible for the kid even if you can prove you are not the biological father. Family laws are completely biased. Just one data point - the FAFSA uses household income of the custodial parent as the basis for determining financial need. It is a terrible situation for any number of reasons: If the stepfather wants to pay for college then his income is penalized against him, even though really it is an act of generosity and not really obligation. …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/06/20 12:53 PM
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The main thing; she hates the fact she has a kid. I was honestly taken aback more by her saying she wished she didn't have a kid than anything. Its as if her life choices, and her little child, are a massive inconvenience and burden to her. If that is how she feels about her child, how do you think she'll feel about you when she feels like YOU have become an inconvenience to her? When she feels a little bit guilty about cheating on you it will become just one more reason to hate you...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/06/20 12:41 PM
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They generally only brag about it before they get divorced too. I mean, I can point to all the people who became wealthy by winning the lottery. Must be a great strategy, right?
/r/MGTOW225/06/20 07:13 PM
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I've said it here before, but it is amazing that people can go on and on worrying about once-a-century scenarios when planning for FIRE, and what happens if the day after I retire if the US turns into Japan of the 1980s, and so on. And then most of that sub will go on and on praising the benefits of marriage. That is a financial arrangement that has a 50% chance of depleting your assets by 50% and that is basically the best case scenario. If I were to sell you an annuity and tell you that the on…
/r/MGTOW225/06/20 02:56 PM
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He hurt her feelings. Can't you see that she is the victim here? She feels like he hurt her in the past, and by proving that she is lying he is hurting her in the present too. What an unrepentant serial hurter! Off with his head!
/r/MGTOW25/06/20 01:19 PM
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Haven't seen a photo - she might be reasonably attractive. The thing is that she seems to want guys in their mid-30s who really have their act together, and those guys can get plenty of 20 year old women. Unless she is a supermodel chances are that even a reasonably attractive woman in her mid-30s is not going to be competing against 24 year old women. I have a relative who most guys would consider very attractive and she is getting close to 30. I was sitting close to her at a family gathering a…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/06/20 01:15 PM
1

Oh, if that is all it was why didn't she just say so? And here I thought Twitter was supposed to encourage brevity...
/r/MGTOW25/06/20 11:24 AM
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Agree in general, but keep in mind that you're probably burning bridges if you do that. If you're hiring a good attorney they will point this out. A bad one will just be looking to cash in on your misfortune and not care what happens to you next. If you're going to sue your employer, make sure you are going to get enough so that you don't have to work for a big company again. You MIGHT get a small job at a small employer somewhere. You're not going to be working for a fortune 500 company - I'm n…
/r/MGTOW23/06/20 11:18 AM
1

Yup. And you raise a good point in general though that it is always good to have decent relationships with other people. You shouldn't resort to bribing people to have those relationships (ie getting married) - that doesn't work anyway since those relationships go away as soon as you're no longer in a place to provide. However, if you can build up healthy relationships with friends or family based on mutual support then of course that only improves your situation. It probably won't cost you much…
/r/MGTOW223/06/20 11:02 AM
1

While I agree that people need to grow a thick skin, I also find it a bit frustrating that it should be quite so necessary. Why can't we have reasonably civil discussions? Why can there be no room for nuance? Your post is pretty reasonable, but BOTH of the parent posts are unreasonable, taking extreme views that don't even make any sense. Unfortunately, while those posts are unreasonable, they're also pretty mainstream. It is an interesting phenomenon, and I think it is the result of echo chambe…
/r/MGTOW223/06/20 10:14 AM
1

Yeah, that is definitely a risk. Having taken care of somebody who had such a stroke I'm definitely betting on not being in the same situation myself. I'm not entirely without family, but... Really though there are risks either way. I suspect the overall risks are lower having more cash than more family, but there are definitely scenarios where you can end up being left to rot somewhere in that situation. Depending on the details you may or may not care at that point.
/r/MGTOW223/06/20 09:31 AM
1

This is why you should go for the better homes (that cost more, e.g. $10K a month) if you can afford it. I mean, if you could afford it why wouldn't you - it isn't like you get some kind of prize for dying with $1B in your bank account. However, affording $10k/month is not something most people can manage unless it is for a very short time. To sustain that long-term would require $3M in investments. I think the most common scenario where this would be possible is if you retire, don't spend too m…
/r/MGTOW221/06/20 01:06 PM
1

Our whole culture is like this. If you want to survive you need to work in the system that exists. There aren't a lot of jobs that many here would consider "honest." Not everybody can make the same money doing them. Iam sorry totell you this, but to outsiders you are corrupt by proxy as well. You're acting like this is some kind of grand revelation. If you don't like lawyers, then don't hire them, and see how well it goes for you. I doubt he goes to work to make friends, so your opinion probably…
/r/MGTOW221/06/20 01:02 PM
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I think this is because when men get really angry their most natural way of escalating things is physical, and this avenue is closed to them legally. If you get REALLY upset with somebody at work you might feel that urge to slug them, but you're not going to do it because you know that would basically be the end of any kind of normal life for you. So you walk away and cool down. Women seem to have a natural instinct to escalate things socially, but destroy social networks. They shame people or t…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/06/20 12:37 PM
2

IMO it is good to have a spot in profiles for this. First, to each his own. I'm sure plenty on this sub use drugs. I don't, but I could care less what others do as long as they aren't doing something important at the time (driving, surgery, whatever). Second, people who are into drugs should be able to find each other, and people who consider it a non-starter should be able to easily filter each other out. Why waste time on somebody you're not compatible with?
/r/MGTOW20/06/20 12:17 AM
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parenting 40 years ago aren’t like now, with kids pumped full of drugs and social media starting at 11 I feel like home-schooling or living in the middle of nowhere are probably the only reasonable ways you could actually parent a kid reliably these days. EVERYBODY wants to "help" you parent your kids, and are quick to cancel you if they think you're not doing it right. Every adult your kid interacts with from school to friends to activities is going to be evaluating your parental choices to see…
/r/MGTOW219/06/20 01:59 PM
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I think that you can get some mature attitudes - like not being too impulsive and taking things in stride/etc. However, when you get into a lot of the specifics there will be problems, especially where society has changed considerably. Back in the 60s you could probably pay for a college education with a paper route. Today you probably couldn't pay for a daily Starbucks run with a paper route, and paying for a college education with a 6-figure job is iffy. I'm a gen-Xer so I've seen the dating w…
/r/MGTOW219/06/20 12:48 PM
1

Well, glad to see somebody is doing something. I mean, I'm 100% in favor of police reform, and that original case should definitely have resulted in criminal chargers. However, the solution to police brutality isn't anarchy, large-scale destruction, and appropriation of private property. That is one of my frustrations - nobody wants to accept compromise. Isn't being progressive about making "progress?"
/r/MGTOW19/06/20 02:25 AM
1

I suspect they would still offer a deal. It might not be an amazing deal, but any prosecutor would probably be likely to take a certain deal over an uncertain trial, and it saves the government a lot of time and money - the AG office can spend their time on other crimes then. Plus if she agrees to the deal it takes a lot of the wind out of the sails of possible future protests. If the court imposes a sentence it isn't the same as the criminal accepting one.
/r/MGTOW18/06/20 10:16 PM
2

Hmm, I think you're right. I was just skimming the Federal sentencing guidelines. It looks like a level 26 offense (arson on a government facility is level 24 (not sure if this counts as a "facility"), and you get +2 levels for 2 counts). If this is her first offense then the sentence is 63-78 months - which is WAY less than 80 years. In fact, the guidelines only go up to 33 years and after that it is life. I suspect somebody messed up in the article. 63-78 months seems a lot more reasonable for…
/r/MGTOW18/06/20 08:51 PM
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They are police vehicles, which definitely should raise the stakes. This is an attack on the state and not a mere act of vandalism/etc. Also, arson in general tends to have pretty harsh penalties. In the cases of houses/etc there is a lot of risk to life. In the case of something like a car the insurance companies don't like dealing with the aftermath, and they have deep pockets. In general though a lot of crimes have crazy penalties. It is basically that way so that you take a plea deal. Door i…
/r/MGTOW18/06/20 06:04 PM
3

Blumenthal faces up to eighty years in prison if convicted The key there is "up to." I wouldn't be surprised if she is out in a year.
/r/MGTOW18/06/20 05:57 PM
5

Nope. Education: Meditation teacher certification, Field Of Study Vijnana Bhairava Tantra Degree Name Reiki Certification, Field Of Study Reiki 1 & 2 Degree Name Thai-Yoga Bodywork Certification, Field Of Study Thai-Yoga Bodywork Degree Name Massage Therapy Certification, Field Of Study Therapeutic Massage, Reflexology Edit: Removed linkedin link - not sure if it is against the rules though her name is in the article so she is a public figure.
/r/MGTOW18/06/20 05:27 PM
2

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bit of parallel instruction going on here, but still, we're not talking about all kinds of government spying. According to the article they had over 500 photos of her (not a surprise - burning a police car in broad daylight with everybody taking photos of everything). Then she posts her face online in various places. Connecting those dots isn't too hard even without her wearing a very specific piece of clothing.
/r/MGTOW18/06/20 05:25 PM
1

Paul Hetznecker, the woman's lawyer, expressed concern about prosecutors charging her in a federal court, instead of leaving local authorities to deal with the case. ...or rather to not deal with the case. Maybe if you want to deal with the Philladephia prosecutors you should try to limit yourself to state crimes only?
/r/MGTOW18/06/20 05:20 PM
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Is there a sub for this? Yes. /r/banned But we'll be happy to listen after you're banned for doing this. If it weren't for the double standards they wouldn't have any at all...
/r/MGTOW18/06/20 01:09 PM
4

The other aspect of this is a bit of survivor bias. There are well-known FIRE couples who have made it work. However, that's the only reason that you hear about them. You don't hear about all the couples who started down the path and then handed a third of their assets to lawyers while fighting over the rest. FIRE definitely attracts couples who want to live simply and be able to raise their family of 12 kids in a nice quiet area and home school them and avoid a lot of the modern drama. However,…
/r/MGTOW217/06/20 11:48 AM
1

If you want to hear her prattle on about whatever nonsense she thinks is important, it’s going to cost you at least $50/plate plus drinks. If you're going to fork out for a fancy dinner and put up with prattling, I imagine most guys would just as soon at least be looking at a 30-something while they do it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/06/20 08:08 PM
1

I certainly don't disagree. This is part of why you have to draw some hard boundaries - marriage and cohabitation are a very good start for that. You can't keep from getting hurt unless you don't care in the first place. However, you can at least try to contain the damage so that you're dealing with heartache and not lifetime spousal support payments. Also, if you draw those boundaries it really encourages everybody to remain on their best behavior because nobody is trapped, and there are no inc…
/r/MGTOW16/06/20 07:04 PM
1

Maybe I wouldda considered marriage one day, but after seeing their hypocrisy first hand I wouldnt dare spend my life with such a person You can love women, or understand them, but not both... -- Stardusk (he could have been quoting somebody else)
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/06/20 06:44 PM
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Well, considering that she goes to a "progressive" church it shouldn't be surprising that the men she is meeting there are about as serious about biblical values as she is. I'm sure by "progressive" she doesn't just mean that they use electrical guitars...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/06/20 05:53 PM
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What women on that sub (and their beta enablers groveling on the greased slope of their gynocentric platitudes) say the issue is with nice guys is that they either pretend to be nice when they aren't or that they believe they're entitled to sex/relationship/etc simply for being nice. IMO a lot of that is misinterpretation, and poor use of branding. Misinterpretation So, the sorts of guys they literally describe certainly exist. However, the ones that are attractive and pretend to be nice are hav…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/06/20 05:48 PM
2

I don't disagree. When I say I could see myself in an LTR it is more in a whimsical "maybe some day" sort of way. It would really have to be the right person and that person might not even exist. Any relationship (even just friends) requires some level of compromise so you always have to weigh the pros and cons. If it gets beyond that I'm not sure I'm that interested. I don't mind sacrifice, but only if it is a two way street.
/r/MGTOW16/06/20 02:46 PM
1

At its core most define MGTOW as avoiding marriage and cohabitation. That does not preclude relationships, whether casual or long-term. It does mean that your expectations for a relationship are going to clash with 90+% of the women out there, however, which is why LTRs are much less common here.
/r/MGTOW16/06/20 01:58 PM
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I don't want to change him but he should change ... I don't want to pressure him ... She is just being really honest here. Women want to be served their ideal boyfriend on a silver platter. Stardusk has expressed this well. When you meet a woman she already has a picture of her perfect boyfriend in her mind. That includes some objective qualities that she likes, but it is often about how he makes her feel. When you go on a date with a woman you're basically trying out for a role in the play. You…
/r/MGTOW16/06/20 01:56 PM
10

To be fair there are certainly some around here who are more in the rage phase and some just don't get out of it. I could see myself in an LTR if I met somebody it seemed like it could work with, but of course I'd remain MGTOW. That just means that I'm not going to get married, and I'm not going to cohabit, and I'm not going to be somebody's bailout plan. That doesn't mean that I won't lend a hand in things but I'm going to expect some sort of reciprocation, just as I would with any male friend.…
/r/MGTOW16/06/20 12:18 PM
3

Well, the difference is that a used car salesman knows that they're selling a used car. Acknowledging your own shortcomings is the most important step in dealing with them. If you're deceiving yourself, chances are you aren't deceiving anybody else...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/06/20 02:36 PM
1

I suspect most princesses weren't much in the way of diplomats. Sure, there were some but the reason they're more famous is because they stand out. I'm sure there were plenty of princes that were lousy on that front but they quickly get eliminated. For the most part women were marriage objects in that era. They definitely had roles to play though and they did have to play them, and their fathers/mothers or husbands would ensure they played their part. They had no higher authority to appeal to if…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/06/20 06:04 PM
12

She's looking to meet someone yet has no interest in making herself presentable. The problem is that they get a false impression that they don't need to bother. These women are FLOODED with attention from guys who will take them just the way they are. The problem is that they aren't interested in any of these guys. If they want a provider-type who is fairly high-status they really need to step up their game SIGNIFICANTLY. Not just their looks - their whole attitude, refinement, etc. They do get …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/06/20 06:01 PM
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Now here's the issue: the dad already pays $40,000+ per year in taxes. The dad already works at least 50 hours per week and sometimes on week-end. He had to hire a lawyer for this, to protect his so-called "rights." The case only lasted one afternoon in court. It only lasted an hour or so in front of a judge. Total cost for this bullshit? $15,000. Don't forget that the taxpayers (including him) get to pay another $15k+ for the other side of that same case, plus the courts/etc. It isn't like the …
/r/MGTOW09/06/20 11:19 AM
1

Maybe, but why would he need to sell all that stock? In the case of Enron I could get it - that whole thing was a house of cards. They actually had SOME good ideas at a conceptual level, but the problem was that the valuations and accounting were completely ridiculous. Amazon on the other hand is a pretty solid company. You might debate whether the stock price is a little too high/etc, but they're making a TON of money and are becoming increasingly diversified. That isn't to say that they don't …
/r/MGTOW08/06/20 06:25 PM
13

Just go down the forbes list. Just about all of them got their money through divorce, inheritance, or being named CEO/etc of the family business. Of course some have earned it, but it is the exception.
/r/MGTOW08/06/20 06:21 PM
1

Yup. You don't want to have ZERO idea what is going on. You probably want to know that people are busy rioting downtown and the local prosecutor has declared amnesty for anybody involved. You don't really need to know all the details about how enlightened the people who will flip your car are.
/r/MGTOW08/06/20 05:18 PM
9

The diversity policy seems to be getting all the discussion, but I think the bigger impact around here is the "explicitly address hate" bit. In the actual post the_donald is called out as an example of what they want to burn with fire. Comments pointed to the conservative sub as probably the next target, because they're apparently just as bad. I'm not really a big fan of the_donald or big on a lot of conservative positions - I'm more of a centrist. However, it seems pretty clear that opinions ot…
/r/MGTOW06/06/20 01:27 PM
25

I had an early boss who said "keep your cards close to your chest" and it was REALLY good career advice. I go to work to convert time to money. I'm not there to make friends. At some point I'll have enough that I don't have to put up with the nonsense, but until then obnoxious political views are just one more thing to weigh when picking a job. Given a choice of working 5 years longer, or just keeping my mouth shut, I think I can do the latter...
/r/MGTOW206/06/20 11:20 AM
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I actually have to disagree with one bit of this discussion: This is a nearly useless metric for you though, as you lack the necessary relationship value that men would commit to you for, fertility. There are plenty of men who would commit to her. The people who are swiping right on here aren't just guys looking for easy hookups. The problem is that these guys are going to be WAY below her standards, and really everybody else's, unless she becomes very desperate for cash/help. Women will constan…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/06/20 02:00 AM
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Just to add a bit to what others have said below: I think a lot of this is attention-seeking behavior. When women are young and pretty they get lots of attention for doing anything. They make a little joke and everybody makes them the center of attention. They get used to all the attention, but they're behaving relatively normally because they don't really have to "act out" to get that attention. Sure, endless selfies on IG gets them more attention than just a normal rate of posting, but in pers…
/r/MGTOW04/06/20 06:42 PM
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Yeah, the problem with that is democracy. When the government owes you more money than they can pay, do you think the elected politicians will take your side, or the side of the taxpayers (who are also voters)? The federal government isn't in that bad shape despite what the doomers say (not saying there aren't serious problems - it just isn't that close yet). State/local governments are in many cases TODAY where the federal government might or might not be in a few decades.
/r/MGTOW04/06/20 02:47 PM
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I HIGHLY recommend /r/financialindependence - it is completely bluepilled but the financial advice is spot on and you can just ignore anything that doesn't apply for a single guy. Their wiki/links section is a treasure trove. The first six months worth of the Choose FI podcast is also a great intro to the whole thing. After that they ran out of top-notch content and turned more into a lifestyle rambling podcast, so it is hit and miss past that, but the first bunch of episodes really covered all …
/r/MGTOW04/06/20 02:46 PM
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Nope - Personal Capital. This looked just like a screenshot from their application. It is free and a bit like mint.com but more oriented around savings for retirement/etc and less about budgeting. While it is free they offer a semi-roboadvisor service for 1%AUM, and once your portfolio hits a certain amount you'll get endless promotional calls. The service is really great otherwise though so I wouldn't avoid it just for that reason - just don't use their service and it is free. For somebody who …
/r/MGTOW04/06/20 02:31 PM
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This is NOT a good time to buy bonds, IMO. I'm not a doomer but we are at nearly 0% interest rates in the short term. I can't see yields going much lower. I can definitely see them going higher. That means that the value of bonds are likely to drop over time. If you just hold them to maturity you're simply guaranteed to receive back a whopping 0% yield, or maybe a bit more if you're holding them for TEN+ years. That is a terrible deal. The government doesn't want people buying bonds right now, a…
/r/MGTOW04/06/20 01:27 PM
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I did the whole marriage/family thing and am now in my 40s and MGTOW. I've started doing the FI thing along with that. I'm a bit further ahead of you, but not by too far. I wish I had started out as you are. I'd probably be long retired if I had, probably will millions in the portfolio. It is amazing the kind of savings rate you can have without a long list of people asking for money. So, how do you like the PC phone calls every other day? :) You know your portfolio is starting to get serious wh…
/r/MGTOW04/06/20 12:25 PM
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Would you be interested in this "wealth creation policy" wherein for the modest amount of <pretty high amount actually> per month, you'll not only be insured but also receive the sum assured at the end of the term. I don't have a big problem with annuities. In theory an SPIC is maybe ideal for MGTOW - IN THEORY. My problem with them is that they tend to be pretty expensive compared to just doing a bond tent and a 90/10 portfolio. The main advantage of an annuity is that you're transferring all t…
/r/MGTOW203/06/20 05:55 PM
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Women literally control the access to sex. They created hook up culture. Men have been trying to have casual sex with women since the dawn of time. Directly, yes. However, the reason they didn't spread their legs so easily 100+ years ago is that the larger society would punish them for doing so. This was at least as much driven by men as other women. And even then while women had a LOT more incentive to gatekeep they were also constantly chaperoned. They would still sleep around on occasion, tho…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/06/20 05:46 PM
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REAL men DO say what they want. This trait was trained and bred into men for thousands of years. I'm pretty sure the "REAL" men and the "non-REAL" men have the same DNA, so any breeding isn't going to make any difference. I'm sure some men are more upfront about things than others, and upbringing is probably related to this. However, I'm pretty skeptical that most men really even know what they want, let alone say it. Now, if you define a "REAL" man as a man who knows what they want, then obviou…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/06/20 05:34 PM
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However if it's a guy who still lives in his parents basement, has no job, spends all his time and money playing DandD, then yes, those blokes need to grow up. Ultimately that is a matter between him and his parents. If they're all happy with the arrangement I don't see the problem. Men don't have some kind of obligation to live a certain way. The only place I'd draw the line is when anybody needs public assistance it should only be temporary or in case of significant disability.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/06/20 05:05 PM
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TFM made some really good comments on this a while ago, though good luck finding them. In a nutshell he thinks that guys get out of these super-demanding relationships and decide to GTOW. That gives them a TON of freedom, and they're tired of having a bazillion demands on their time. The problem is that often men over-react by basically becoming SO minimalist with their lives that they can become depressed. A lot of men don't do well with zero structure in their lives, and while it isn't a great…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/06/20 02:50 PM
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Women don't really want what they say they want To be fair, this is more of a human thing. Psychologists and economists figured out a long time ago that if you want to know what somebody really thinks, the worst way to go about it is just ask them. For a good study of human preferences/etc you try to contrive a scenario where somebody has to choose between competing options, ideally masking what exactly you're looking for. Or you use statistical data on actual behavior. You're dead on about wome…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/06/20 02:21 PM
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Chad and Tyrone have too many options, the other 80% of men dont. To be fair, those are the only "good men" in their eyes. Well, except for the fact that the "good men" are the Chads who will commit - ie those "good men" have never existed in the modern era. They might have been a thing back when you would have been run out of town for premarital sex.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/06/20 01:02 PM
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While I agree with you about what MGTOW is, I think the relevance of the post is right there at the top: Whereas now you no longer have to do all the work required by the life script. Once of the challenges of MGTOW is you no longer have somebody nagging you into running on a treadmill 24x7. That means that you potentially have a LOT more free time available, and our brains often find it difficult to cope with that. Stardusk and huMAN have both commented a fair bit recently on this phenomenon. J…
/r/MGTOW231/05/20 04:49 PM
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At least time I'm guessing they won't all be bought up by miners... :)
/r/MGTOW31/05/20 04:39 PM
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That's a good talking point. She can't lock in the new guy with marriage if she isn't divorced yet, so you can "help her out" with that problem with an agreed settlement instead of fighting over things. Agree that it will fail if her new relationship fails. You have to get off the hook while she is still full of dreams.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/05/20 12:11 AM
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Works best if the other guy is wealthy. If you divorce your wife and she doesn't have a next step handy, then she'll be extracting as much alimony/support/etc as she can possibly get out of you, for a VERY long time. On the other hand if she is having an affair with a wealthy guy you can try to arrange things so that she feels like this is some kind of long-term deal, but she needs to make sure he doesn't think she is a gold digger. That puts her in a position where she will want as clean a brea…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/05/20 01:10 PM
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Yup. If you find yourself having made a bad decision like dating somebody crazy or getting married, best thing to do is become the "better guy's" wingman. If she has a branch to swing to, she is less likely to try to worry about clawing everything she can out of you on her way.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/05/20 11:53 AM
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Plus you have high tier men punching down which gives low tier women an inflated sense of value. I can't entirely blame them. Sex with a supermodel probably isn't that much more satisfying than sex with an above average girl. The latter is probably going to be more enthusiastic anyway if you're a really hot guy. If all you want is a bit of fun, why "work" for it?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/05/20 03:53 PM
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The only thing gender has to do with it is that it is what creates the supply/demand imbalance due to how male/female sex drive usually works. Everything after that is just human nature. Also, men NEED sex. They think about it all the time. That is basically what I was saying. It is human nature to get away with whatever you can get away with. Gender changes what you can get away with.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/05/20 03:28 PM
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They're basically becoming a FinDom site where they're the ones getting paid in cash while the girls get paid in hook-ups with Chad.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/05/20 01:50 PM
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This is a problem with the internet in general: not quite the apex fallacy but something like it. When comparing one's options, one tends to look at whatever is immediately at hand. So when you're in a gathering of 10 people you're sizing yourself up against those 10 people. When you're online you're comparing yourself to everybody on that forum. With the internet there are a lot of forums that include some of the best in the world in whatever the topic of that forum is. I can post on the same m…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/05/20 01:48 PM
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"tricking" - could that profile have been any more blatant? He even tells girls to go read his profile first, and they are still hooked.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/05/20 01:34 PM
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Yup. It seems a bit like having a conversation with a chatbot when you're bored, except that some guy will freely offer to fill in for the bot. They're probably not even thinking about the guy on the other end of the line.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/05/20 01:30 PM
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Women who do that simply do not care about the feelings of men, because if they did they would not be wasting their time. I think this is just human nature. Imagine if you got legit emails from 100 perspective employers every day offering you increasingly higher salaries to come work for them. You accept a job, and put some work in, but notice that others who don't put work in keep getting paid. You try goofing off for a day and notice that nobody does anything about it. Then you just go nuts an…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/05/20 12:03 PM
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This was my favorite part of the comment thread so far just due to its conciseness: Here's to be still single at 35, and never married. Not bitter, but all self confidence is gone, and interest is so low in dating anymore I feel defeated in looking for love. So screw it, I guess I'll just be lonely. I'm 35 and married, wanna switch?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/05/20 11:49 AM
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Honestly, I'm not sure if it even is the money. I'm sure that is part of it. However, I think the bigger thing is the status. She wants a man that her friends will envy. One that her friends' boyfriends will look up to and respect. A man who just puts in an honest day's work and is reasonably nice isn't going to impress her friends. She wants to brag to her friends about how her husband will be interviewed on CNN tonight, or about how he approves millions of dollars in budgets every quarter. I'm…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/05/20 09:30 PM
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That wandering interest is probably baked into our DNA. But not really cause this stuff is kinda new in more recent years... But over our last 100 years or so the environment has changed signficantly. Marriage is kinda new on an evolutionary timescale. People have been getting married for thousands of years. People or their close ancestors have existed for millions of years. Our biology is a relic from when we were hunter-gatherers, and hasn't changed much since the development of writing. I'm s…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/05/20 07:46 PM
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I have been dating much older men than I thought I would because of this. It's not an age thing, its a maturity thing. Actually, it is a declining-SMV thing. If she wants a guy in his 40s she needs to go for a guy with a very low SMV for his age, because the guys who are higher SMV are all going after girls who are 10 years younger. However, if she goes after guys in their 60s, now that declining SMV works in her favor. She might not be able to compete with the 30 year olds, but an average 40 ye…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/05/20 12:00 PM
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she can't stand those guys because she mistakenly thinks she's out of their league In her 20s she was out of their league, hence her references to the "good old days." Nobody likes the idea that things get worse over time. Men don't like to accept that with regard to their health. Women don't like to accept that regarding anything that has to do with attracting men.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/05/20 11:56 AM
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I think a lot of women just tend to make these decisions based on how they feel, and they're wired so that the feelings go away after a few years. That wandering interest is probably baked into our DNA. Marriage is a very artificial institution - it probably isn't the lifestyle people had for millions of years while they were evolving. Their natural behavior is probably a lot closer to how we see people starting to behave today. Marriage only worked in the past because there were harsh consequen…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/05/20 11:53 AM
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Yup, and she compares this with her 20s where it was an entirely different game. In her 20s she probably had a far higher SMV, and thus guys would be willing to play the game to get her. Only the highest-SMV men are able to pick up young women with very little effort on their part. It all comes down to options. In your 20s the women have all the options, and so they can just be super-picky/difficult and just go on the dates that fall into her lap. In your 40s the roles have reversed and it is me…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/05/20 11:49 AM
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As a guy you really can’t vent about romantic difficulties because it sends you in a death spiral. You can just shorten that to "as a guy you really can't vent." That basically sums it up. And the last person you could vent to is a woman - it just turns their stomachs and she'll look at you like vomit on the street if you do it. You can gossip about other people "hey you won't believe the stupid thing that person at work did today" - but you can't do anything that suggests you have a problem of …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/05/20 07:24 PM
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Beware of women in their 30's, they're looking to trap you. Beware of women in their 40's, they're just looking for a bailout. Hey, she isn't wrong on those two points.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/05/20 07:18 PM
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Yeah, no doubt the prostitutes would be "free" but would get Federal retirement plans. Put in their years in their 20s and then collect pay for the rest of their lives...
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 06:39 PM
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In 10 years she might be doing the WAATGM thing, but she clearly isn't right now. This is just reality - she is probably young and pretty, and so she has men falling over each other trying to do favors for her. You can't really blame her for being picky when she is in high demand. Face it, if you want to date a young attractive girl you're just going to have to be the top bidder. If you're making six figures and some startup calls you up and says they would love to have you work there for $25k/y…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/05/20 02:16 PM
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It depends on your career/etc. For a big company the blacklisting is probably for life. If your name and photo are on the internet with an accusation, nobody is going to hire you. They just don't want to deal with the drama. That said, if you manage to get lucky and the hiring manager/etc doesn't check, then they probably won't get rid of you just because they spot this in your past, unless they otherwise want to get rid of you anyway and just need an excuse, or unless somebody starts creating d…
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 01:34 PM
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They're suing the college for money, so I can't see why the lawyer would cave unless they were convinced they were going to lose. They're not doing this to make friends with the college - they're doing it to collect part of the judgment. These sorts of Title IX abuse cases are starting to become a bit more common, but not nearly as common as the abuses themselves. The problem is that unless you collect enough money to retire (at age 20) you're probably still blacklisted for life.
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 12:59 AM
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If they do such thing, all the guys that are being left on "read" will retort. You say that as if such a standard would be applied equally...
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 12:57 AM
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This is why it is risky to move to some more traditional country and get married. If you are age 60, sure, it is probably not much of a risk. If you're 25 years old there is a very good chance that the laws could change when you're in your 40s/50s and at your peak earning years - ie the ones where you get to pay alimony.
/r/MGTOW23/05/20 10:41 PM
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The irony was back in the era when these sorts of traditional gender roles were established, the mothers really only did the mothering until the kids were maybe 8 years old. At that point the boys went off to apprentice/work/etc as unpaid labor in the family business or in some kind of trade with a neighbor. The girls would stay with the mother and would basically become resources the mother could use around the house and for further child-rearing until they were a few years older and could be m…
/r/MGTOW23/05/20 11:47 AM
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So, I'm not saying that this makes any sense in the modern era but I'll try to give a quick summary of how we got here: Let's start with how marriage used to be. Father has a daughter. Neighbor has a son. The families want to create a family bond for any number of reasons and provide for their kids wellbeing, so they arrange a marriage between them. Now the family has doubled in size, and that means more job networking, business partners, and when something goes wrong there are more people to he…
/r/MGTOW23/05/20 11:43 AM
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Just DON'T GET MARRIED! You don't have to deal with nonsense like this if you never get married in the first place (or do anything that could trigger common law status/etc). Here is the problem with having a backup plan like this: It obviously is situational, but usually you have to ghost your entire family, especially if child support is involved. They just won't understand how unfair the situation is, and they'll look at you as if you're a deadbeat. Most countries do NOT allow this sort of thi…
/r/MGTOW23/05/20 11:28 AM
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Gynocentrism is the reason the laws are the way they are in the first place. That is why appealing to the public for support doesn't work. The laws work exactly the way society wants them to. When a guy gets screwed in a divorce that isn't a miscarriage of justice - that is what the people living around you think IS justice.
/r/MGTOW23/05/20 11:19 AM
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There was an extensive list of gilded/etc comments on that post calling for feigning an attempt at reconciliation in order to gather evidence to mount criminal charges against these men. While I don't approve of what those guys were doing, I think this is a really bad way for society to handle these sorts of issues. This is basically ends-justify-the-means thinking, but I suspect it is fairly common given that the top reply was from a lawyer calling it a good idea. It seems to be a trend in mode…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/05/20 02:15 AM
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I think it's starting to redpill even my sister. You'll occasionally see bits of redpill talk from lesbians or trans-men. Then they're on the receiving end of all this nonsense. Granted, the rape card doesn't stick as well in those cases since people are more sympathetic, but they still have to put up with a lot of the BS.
/r/MGTOW22/05/20 12:59 AM
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What, you don't normally carry around a block of Co60 and a bucket of water to keep it in?
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 04:52 PM
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They're literally paid to argue for a living. That, and to be able to convince about a dozen complete strangers in a short time that she is in the right. So, not only will you get to be cross-examined, but it will be done in such a manner as to convince all your family/friends that you are a monster.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/05/20 04:01 PM
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I think you'll find a lot of folks here who are pursuing FI. The leanFI sub is also a very good resource, though the mainstream FI sub has a much more extensive wiki. Really all the advice applies if you're MGTOW once you discard anything that involves marriage/kids/etc. Really the whole thing becomes much simpler. I wouldn't mind a more MGTOW-FI forum someplace since there are some more specific topics. For example, inheritance planning is often a non-issue if you're MGTOW. Really though the pr…
/r/MGTOW221/05/20 03:48 PM
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This is also why women view status in a partner as such an important issue. If they're going to spend a lot of time talking about their partner with their friends, they want to make sure that it isn't an embarrassing topic, or that their friends won't constantly be telling them that they could do better.
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 03:09 PM
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Honestly, I'm not sure how effective a microwave would be for this purpose. It might just mess the DNA up just enough that you'll be paying medical bills on top of the regular support. Now, obviously if you heat it to boiling/etc that will probably kill the sperm, but the effects would be more thermal - putting it in boiling water would have the same effect. I suspect a few seconds on high probably wouldn't do much. Microwaves aren't ionizing - they're lower energy than visible light. UV-C is an…
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 02:56 PM
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I'll confess that I haven't taken the time to study up on this stuff, but I can see one guy I know muttering "something..something..Kalman Filters..."
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 02:51 PM
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How old are the herbivores getting these days? I'm not sure if there are many of them in their 30s-40s or if this is more of a 20 year-old thing. I'm not sure these men change when they get older or remain that way. The reason I bring it up is that when they're really young girls basically are just riding the CC and those herbivore men are completely inconsequential. They don't care yet that none of these guys are committing and they're nowhere near the wall. Once they're hitting 40 these girls …
/r/MGTOW221/05/20 02:34 PM
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Also realistically most men don't have the balls to walk away, most men can't actually cope without having a woman in their life, and most of those can't cope with the thoughts that she may leave or she might be abusive, to such an extent that they will gain over her regardless of how shitty she actually is. Given that then the numbers who are rejecting women and relationships is too small to make a great impact, enough that women will start to say, hey look not all of these men can have fragile…
/r/MGTOW221/05/20 02:31 PM
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I'll point out something I haven't seen mentioned here: this illustrates that in the world of social media, everybody on the planet is a backseat driver when you are a parent. The father disciplined his daughter, and apparently everybody on the planet gets to read about it. How did they even find out she lost her allowance? Obviously that got posted on social media, either by the daughter or one of her friends. This is why it is futile to try to raise kids right. First, half the time you won't g…
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 02:25 PM
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You know our civilization has officially failed when finding a simple companionship&cohabitation with the opposite sex has become so dangerous that we have to resort to animals. This is actually a half-decent barometer for civilization, because harnessing reproductive energy is actually the powerhouse of civilization. It isn't having kids that makes mankind civilized. Every animal species on the planet gives birth to offspring. What creates civilization is when we stop following our instincts an…
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 02:20 PM
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Not sure where I commented at all on accountability, rights, or duties. I'm describing what they're doing. Whether it is right or wrong matters little when you're the one who suffers for it. It would be wonderful if somebody fixed some of the laws, but it won't really change this dynamic all that much beyond limiting the potential for abuse.
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 01:40 PM
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If men can hold back their instincts to fuck every woman they see, women too can adjust their instincts. There is a difference. The one has consequences, and the other does not. If you legalized murder, not every person would become a murderer, at least not overnight. However, the murder rate would certainly start going WAY up. People do the right thing in part because it is the right thing, but also in part because there are usually consequences for doing the wrong thing. If you take away the c…
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 01:34 PM
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Somebody wanted everybody at work to post recent pictures of themselves outside of work. I actually struggled to find any.
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 12:59 AM
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If a liar truly believes their own lies, does that make them a lier? IMO, no. Somebody who does not know what is true isn't a liar. They're still wrong, but a lie requires an intentional act of deception. Whether somebody is intentionally telling a lie and believes they are justified in doing so, or they're deluded enough to think they're telling the truth really doesn't matter in the end, because you get burned the same either way. Maybe these people are sociopaths. Maybe they're just a kid pla…
/r/MGTOW19/05/20 08:38 PM
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Yeah, the whole "nice guy" meme drives me crazy. It basically says that no man could possibly want to be nice simply because that is how they are and how they want to be, but they just MUST be looking to get something. Inevitably this is justified because somebody mistreats a "nice guy" and they get upset about it, which somehow proves that they were never a "nice guy." Apparently a nice guy isn't supposed to ever complain when they're abused. Whatever - people can think what they want. If you w…
/r/MGTOW19/05/20 07:28 PM
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It is the sort of thing you say if you don't really love somebody, but it isn't illogical on the surface of it. Love can be a feeling, but it is also an action. The word is used to describe a few different things, which is a big part of the problem. "I'm not in love with you" basically means that there are no feelings. There are no butterflies in the stomach and excitement and all that stuff. "I love you" in theory means that you're putting the other person first and doing what is best for them …
/r/MGTOW19/05/20 07:23 PM
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In general it is against the rules to brigade and post over there, but I'm glad you at least get to hear about this stuff. Not every marriage goes the way yours went, but a lot do. People are here for a lot of different reasons, but I think maybe the most mainstream issue people here have with marriage is that what happened to you is even possible. If you're the wage earner in a family especially the legal system is set up to take serious advantage of you if you end up in a divorce, and that isn…
/r/MGTOW19/05/20 07:13 PM
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To be fair, sometimes they wake up a little and realize that their life is a mess and bail and find a beta who will take care of them. Then in a year or two when they're back on their feet they'll get the tingles again and whoa, how did that happen? It will probably just be the occasional side adventure as long as she has a nice house to live in, but if that doesn't work out then she'll just settle for a settlement and alimony for a while. It is a pretty common pattern, but the thing you have to…
/r/MGTOW19/05/20 06:51 PM
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Obviously in this case you can just do the best you can and decide what is important to you. Nobody else can make these choices for you. However, there are definitely risks here, and what is important is to understand them. I have no idea whether this would help you, but you might also be able to somehow separate the religious/cultural/etc aspects of marriage from the legal ones. For example, there are some MGTOW who are seriously practicing Christians, and it isn't the biblical institution of m…
/r/MGTOW219/05/20 01:28 PM
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Grabbing somebody's rear end without permission is certainly sexual assault. At the very least in most places it is assault/battery depending on the local laws. Now, it is also the sort of thing that rarely leaves evidence and would generally not be pursued legally. It definitely isn't rape no matter what the genders of those involved are. Best policy is to avoid intentionally touching people when they don't want to be touched. Now, bumping into somebody certainly isn't assault. It is the word "…
/r/MGTOW219/05/20 01:11 AM
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It's absolutely EVERYWHERE because men like us have been vocal online I think that is 10% of it. 90% of it is that society keeps doubling down on the gynocentrism. Nag your husband, don't ever sleep with him, and then get a favorable divorce settlement when you're caught cheating and decide to leave. Husband gets accused of abuse and is arrested on her word alone and loses his job and custody of the kids. Wife didn't work while married, but gets 50% of the assets. Here, have 30% of his income fo…
/r/MGTOW19/05/20 12:24 AM
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It isn't. All a woman needs to do to get 50 men to sleep with her is swipe right on them. Men aren't that picky. And of course this woman is above average in looks. It isn't an accomplishment to get dozens of guys to sleep with you.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/05/20 07:19 PM
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This woman has the word "feminist" tattooed on her, literally. So to answer your question, propaganda. She is also scantily clad in all the photos and so on. Basically the messaging is that if you accept her, maybe you could be #51 (though 50 is just where she lost count). It is no different than the magazine ad with the hot model smoking a cigarette. And for women the message is that if you behave like her then maybe you could be on the bachelor too. If she can be #2 on that show, then clearly …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/05/20 07:17 PM
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There is already some decent advice here, but I will say that the only real way to "win" is to not have a kid in the first place. Kids are a bigger anchor to your paycheck even than marriage. I suspect most men will pay less for a divorce without kids than they will pay in child support without a divorce. I get that you already realize that, but I'm just telling you to be prepared because there isn't some kind of magical ticket out of it. As others said you need to start dealing with this NOW, b…
/r/MGTOW18/05/20 05:50 PM
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I'm sure the laws vary, but I imagine in most places in the US you would still owe child support. That is intended to give the CHILD a similar standard of living as the adult. Of course, that money is paid to the MOTHER, and as a result it ends up giving her a pretty nice standard of living too. Only real way to reduce that in most places is to get as much physical custody of the child as possible. Good luck with that, and if you end up at 50/50 chances are you'll be paying the mother since her …
/r/MGTOW18/05/20 05:46 PM
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The other answers are fine, but here is another way to look at it. If everything is going "perfect," why would you want to change it? Your relationship is already as good as it is probably ever going to get. Getting married just locks you both into a situation where it is easy to take the other for granted and where changing your mind becomes more difficult. And of course it has all the financial/etc risks you're already aware of. So, if you're happy dating her, just keep dating her. Yes, at som…
/r/MGTOW218/05/20 05:42 PM
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I remember having a discussion with a chemistry professor a number of years ago and he shared his concerns that chemistry curricula was trending towards having the wrong attitude towards safety. It was becoming too rooted in fear, perhaps following the attitudes of society. His feeling was that what needed to be taught was respect. Chemistry is a physical science, and chemical reactions obey the laws of physics. Their behavior is largely predictable, and where they are unknown there are ways to …
/r/MGTOW217/05/20 09:46 PM
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Like everything, this is just a dating strategy. Honestly, it seems like one of those things your boss comes up with and you just have to roll with it if you want to keep your job. Nonsense like this is one of those things I fear happening at work. If it did I'd probably put on the stupid shirt, because I get paid way too much to just toss that away to make a point nobody I care about will even know about. On the flip side, this is one of the reasons why I stash away a pretty good chunk of every…
/r/MGTOW17/05/20 12:59 AM
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So, I hate to be the contrarian, but did anybody actually read that? They're directing these posts to a megathread. My guess is that the issue is that MRA-related issues are actually fairly popular unpopular opinions, and they created a megathread to consolidate these otherwise the sub would just be flooded with them. That is actually a pretty common practice on subs. For example, if anybody wants to complain on /r/MGTOW2 about being banned from this sub they have to do it in a megathread becaus…
/r/MGTOW15/05/20 03:31 PM
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Yes. They'll certainly report that amount of money to the IRS. I have no idea what the threshold is for having to send a 1099, but that much is definitely WAY over it. Now, onlyfans probably won't withhold any taxes, but if she doesn't file a tax return declaring that income she could get in a lot of trouble for it. If somebody doesn't declare $100 they get one time that was reported on a 1099 I'm guessing the IRS isn't too likely to go after them, but it is still a silly risk to take to save $2…
/r/MGTOW15/05/20 12:30 PM
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Sure, but this article is talking about dating, not hooking up. Any woman can get a guy to sleep with her if she wants to. Not necessarily ANY guy but unless they're REALLY obese/etc they'll find somebody who will do.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/05/20 11:38 AM
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Yeah, for all the Jesus-this and Jesus-that she certainly hasn't been paying attention to that bit about not being yoked to unbelievers. She clearly isn't making this about "seek ye first the kingdom of God" and all that. Her obvious goal is to do what makes her feel good, as long as she can sort-of hamster it into her theology. Maybe Chad will like me and spend time with me and then get to know Jesus too, and then he'll turn into the world's greatest Christian! I'm no longer a professing Christ…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/05/20 01:43 AM
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Yup. They know which side their bread is buttered on. The THOTs bring the simps and the simps bring the cash.
/r/MGTOW15/05/20 12:41 AM
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Exactly. If a woman REALLY offered true love, support, and devotion then that would at least be something. I mean, people basically pay psychologists for that sort of thing to a degree, so it is clearly a service that has some demand. However, women just offer an appearance of those things, and then withhold them when it suits their purposes. "Honey, please do the dishes (or you know I'll turn into a nagging banshee). Thanks, baby, you're the best (for now)!"
/r/MGTOW14/05/20 06:54 PM
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Yup. In their startup days they wanted growth so they'll take anything they can get and just fly under the radar. However, their revenue must be picking up quite a bit, and now they need to start getting into legal compliance. If you're making $100M+ per year you can't have a lot of illegal activities going on. The police will notice and while court cases grind on slowly, eventually some district attorney will manage to get you slapped with $100k/day fines or more, or start dragging your officer…
/r/MGTOW14/05/20 02:36 PM
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Younger men are drawn to older women as much as older men are drawn to younger women. And this is not a new phenomenon Younger men don't have a lot of options. Older women have even fewer options. When all the people you're most interested in are not interested in you, then you consider lowering your standards, especially if you're struggling being single for whatever reason (emotional, financial, whatever).
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/05/20 02:30 PM
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VPs are officers of the company. Don't disagree with your overall post, but I did want to point out for those who aren't familiar with such things that job titles like VP do not have a direct association with the term officer. In a small company what you say could very well be true. However, a big company might have hundreds of VPs, and only 5-6 company officers. Typically the officers of a company are designated by name in official filings. The requirements around such positions often vary by s…
/r/MGTOW214/05/20 12:45 PM
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Sad thing is many men really are like what she describes, I've seen it Yup. The reality is that most men are sexually undesirable to women and a significant minority of men have significant gaps in social skills on top of this. However, these men are still capable of otherwise being productive, and for whatever reason a lot of them end up gravitating to highly-technical jobs where they can be extremely productive. Society really needs to come up with a better way of dealing with this reality. We…
/r/MGTOW214/05/20 12:36 PM
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So, this sort of thing is just scamming. I don't get why anybody goes for this. Maybe somebody with more money than brains sees somebody new and figures they can "get in on the ground floor" with them. However, in general what these women are purporting to sell is a virtual relationship. The girl helps the guy foster a fantasy that some average-looking THOT actually gives a shit about him. That is something you usually don't get with a subscription to some generic website like pornhub. The women…
/r/MGTOW14/05/20 12:17 PM
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Yeah, if he actually learns from this $35 is getting off cheap. Not sure he'll actually learn though. Half the people on this sub got redpilled while making their $1k/month support payments for 10 years. Getting a dose of human nature and actually swallowing it for the cost of a dinner is a good deal.
/r/MGTOW14/05/20 12:05 PM
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Oh, you can already see it. Fostering dissent on social media is probably going to be a destabilizing force. Building all those islands in the south china sea and boarding unarmed vessels is going to eventually lead to collecting taxes/etc on anything happening in those waters. They'll just ignore US naval ships going through, but fishing boats will get boarded and inspected to make sure they have their Chinese fishing licenses. They'll also start exploiting resources. Hong Kong is slowly being …
/r/MGTOW14/05/20 12:35 AM
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Honestly, I'm not sure. I haven't read Snowden's book. I'm not sure if that covers these sorts of details of how things work. It probably doesn't have much relevance to the political goals of the CCP, though he probably does weigh in more on the sorts of things the US is doing. I'm not really intending to excuse the sorts of mass surveillance the US does online. I just think that the US and CCP tend to have different goals and they tend to go about them differently. Of course, the US has been kn…
/r/MGTOW14/05/20 12:03 AM
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The thing with China is that it is no holds barred, they're willing to use state power in asymmetric ways like this, and they take a very long view. Sure, they don't like Trump, but the reality is that whether Trump wins in 2020 or he loses, the same folks will be running China 10 years from now when he is long gone. They just exert steady pressure. They don't care if they win every battle. They just have to win 6 out of every 10 and over time things move in the direction they want. Usually when…
/r/MGTOW13/05/20 09:15 PM
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Exactly. They can always deputize. The key with the mod hierarchy is being the one at the top. The other mods basically have to take their marching orders from you or lose their roles, unless reddit intervenes.
/r/MGTOW13/05/20 07:30 PM
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I was listening to some new content producer who had another point which I think goes along with this. I think women started seeing these men as the ones they ought to emulate. The problem is that a lot of these top-10%ers are basically assholes. I mean, obviously not everybody who is wealthy is an asshole, and not everybody who is poor is genuinely nice, but you find a lot of psychopaths in the upper echelons of business/politics/etc. While men do have a certain level of respect for a guy who g…
/r/MGTOW213/05/20 07:27 PM
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Yeah, the $50/month she was making as just one more THOT among millions probably wasn't going to pay the rent. While there are women who make a ton of money on these sites or as instagram promoters or whatever, the reality is that for every one of them there are thousands of girls posting stuff and selling a couple of $20 videos a month, or getting a thousand likes here or there on instagram which is worth nothing to any kind of sponsor. Making money from photos for a girl is like making money a…
/r/MGTOW13/05/20 12:52 PM
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WSB? More like 2 days.
/r/MGTOW13/05/20 12:40 PM
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This is one of those issues with online dating in general, but especially for stuff like suggar daddy sites because they already involve the expectation of financial arrangements. These sites are easily infiltrated by scammers - preying on everybody really. On the sugar daddy sites it probably is easier to go after the women because they all have dreams of meeting some wealthy CEO who will pay them six figures to do whatever they want so that they can be around for 15 minutes a month when he isn…
/r/MGTOW13/05/20 12:38 PM
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What is the point. If you don't want to give all your stuff to her, why get married at all? That is about the only thing marriage does. If you're just doing it to get her to stop nagging you about it, that won't work...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/05/20 12:01 AM
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Yup. It isn't like this stuff was the norm 25 years ago when these #metoo claims date back to. Granted, non-politicians/etc probably don't have to worry about that sort of thing, but if you had a bad breakup with a girl two weeks before the world heard of #metoo you'd be retroactive fair game for that...
/r/MGTOW212/05/20 09:13 PM
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Yeah, with that kind of lifestyle you're going to catch STDs like you end up with a runny nose for a few days in the winter. I bet that she doesn't even mention the more common STDs - they're just part of the scenery for her. If she says she has an STD it is something more serious.
/r/MGTOW212/05/20 09:12 PM
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That is a good point, especially since they don't use the pay-up-front model that a lot of other services use. That said, I think this sort of thinking isn't actually as common as people believe. I work in an industry that is constantly accused of trying to design products to keep people coming back. It really isn't true - generally the products are designed to last as long as possible. It is just that making things that last forever isn't easy, and in this particular industry it isn't just a ma…
/r/MGTOW12/05/20 01:14 PM
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She will still get millions - just for being his wife. She didn't earn any of this money. Surely a few million is adequate compensation for whatever cooking/cleaning she did. She might owe her lawyers a few million but I bet if she offered her ex-husband an agreement that he pays her legal bills to date and gives her a few million dollars beyond that, he'd sign it in a heartbeat. She wants hundreds of millions though, and she might end up getting almost nothing in the end. Then again, courts wil…
/r/MGTOW211/05/20 09:24 PM
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Sounds like a good-paying job to spout dogma without any basis in reality. How can an institution that is exclusively dedicated to researching the health of marriage in America exist for over a decade without having done any study on how divorce impacts the health of marriage, when it is the fate of half of all marriages? It sounds like they have a position and they just spout whatever propaganda they need to in order to support it, no doubt living off of donations or grants. If they do a study …
/r/MGTOW211/05/20 08:23 PM
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Doesn't sound like a plan of the "elites". Unless you mean the trad cuck religious elites. They're the one that pushes this theocracy bullshit, and it gets tiring. You also get the middle-manager types who like to see an office full of worker bees who just do what they're told. They don't care about productivity - they care about face time. Sure, they might have to leave on time every afternoon, but they're not going to confront you about having gotten a better offer at that company on the other…
/r/MGTOW211/05/20 08:19 PM
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They're just following their feelings. I'm not saying it is our job to help anybody. I'm just commenting on the post. Roosh is claiming that OnlyFans is far more damaging than Tinder. I think that the opposite is true. OnlyFans lets a minority of girls monetize themselves but most will just get frustrated and give up. It gives them a taste of a life most will decide they don't want. Tinder lets a majority of a girl get exposed to countless guys they'll never be able to hang onto, and then nobody…
/r/MGTOW11/05/20 08:09 PM
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Obviously neither is good but I think Tinder is doing WAY more harm to young people than OnlyFans ever will. OnlyFans is more in-your-face because it is more out in the open, vs just being a list of profiles and all the activity happens behind closed doors. I think Tinder has way more potential to wreck women though. First, it is more private/accepted. You can set up a profile on Tinder and just say that you're looking for a boyfriend, and just post photos that are maybe slightly risque or maybe…
/r/MGTOW11/05/20 07:36 PM
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In theory with the right person a companion right now would be ideal. The problem is that with anybody but the right person it could be a real mess. The right person might or might not exist. You have all the in-each-other's-hair issues, and then you combine that with all the my-partner-doesn't-get-isolation-protocol issues.
/r/MGTOW209/05/20 06:32 PM
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Yeah, that entire field of study is turning into a lost cause. It is really tragic, because understanding how people work and mental health is actually one of the most important areas of study there are. The problem is that the whole field has been ideologically captured and everything just goes into propping up bias. That, and just about anybody who is remotely rigorous about how they study stuff has been pushed away from the field. I mean, would you want to work in that area to try to "make a …
/r/MGTOW08/05/20 02:42 PM
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Reddit can be really frustrating. I normally follow /r/science, and if you're talking about astrophysics or biochemistry or whatever it is a great sub. However, anytime there is a post on anything resembling social sciences, psychology, or any kind of health policy (especially anything Covid19-related) it turns into a political mess. I just have to force myself not to read those posts, because it is one giant bubble where there is a right narrative and a wrong narrative and you can tell how the …
/r/MGTOW08/05/20 02:39 PM
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Agree, but the whole situation is problematic. They don't want somebody to ask for consent because that doesn't fit the fantasy. However, they still want to have the right to consent or not, which is of course completely reasonable. This is the problem with our current stance towards assault/rape/etc. There is a standard being argued for that is always selectively enforced, because it is almost never followed when the parties actually consent. The idea that on a date the guy asks the girl "can I…
/r/MGTOW208/05/20 02:11 PM
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Yup, the standard here is completely ridiculous, but if you're going to fight fair when the other side fights dirty, then you're going to lose. I'm all for some kind of reasonable standard for this stuff. Really this is the chance for Democrats to come out and suggest reasonable standards that will apply to everybody going forward, but they're not going to do that, because they know the next 47 judicial appointments are going to be more of the same.
/r/MGTOW207/05/20 10:00 PM
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In theory it only takes one lady Sure, but if that one lady is on the other side of the planet that doesn't help. :) you should be able to work it out with one woman somehow sometime somewhere, and if you cannot then you must conclude that the common denominator in all those many failures is yourself. Perhaps, but in the end does it matter? If somebody fails at relationships because there is something wrong with them, or if they fail at relationships because there is something wrong with everybo…
/r/MGTOW206/05/20 01:53 PM
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I think a lot of it comes down to avoiding accountability. Politicians are in charge of making all the decisions here, and they're masters at avoiding accountability. They wouldn't be in office otherwise, because EVERYBODY makes mistakes and people love to crucify their leaders for being fallible. The whole response to the epidemic in the US is highly decentralized as a result. There are committees for this and committees for that and nobody can really just make things happen. There is generally…
/r/MGTOW205/05/20 10:48 PM
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Nah, IQ was pretty valued up until the 1800s I'd say, probably even the early 1900s. Basically it comes down to bailouts, whether for individuals or businesses, and whether in the form of outright handouts or legal liability. If you don't bail people out when they're poor/etc then there is a lot of advantage to IQ in a modern society. The problem is that poor people today are given a lot of help so that they can just get through life and have kids. Likewise, employers are not free to hire and fi…
/r/MGTOW204/05/20 07:38 PM
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Well, it is a slippery slope no matter how you slice it. Quarantines have been a thing for a very long time. Suppose somebody has Ebola. The police say you have to stay at home. That is an infringement of your personal liberty, but it isn't without reason - if you step outside lots of people could end up dead. Covid19 is a bit more of a gray area because it isn't nearly as deadly as Ebola, but it is still pretty bad. The whole point of masks is that everybody is a presumptive carrier. Clearly th…
/r/MGTOW204/05/20 06:45 PM
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And as someone mentioned, she has had 20 years to lock down Mr. Right or at least Mr. Good Enough and chose not to. In her eyes there is no such thing as Mr. Good Enough. That will change in a few years, and heaven help the poor guy who falls for her. She has been dating guys that have lots of options, and they didn't want to have kids, because of course they have lots of options. When you want the guy that all the other girls want, chances are you aren't going to be having kids unless you can t…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/05/20 12:53 PM
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Well, the majority still need to wash their hands and wear masks and so on. Wouldn't hurt if there were enough n95 masks for the general public too, even if they're not 100% effective without fit testing and so on. Japan isn't nearly as hard-hit and that is probably because they aren't averse to being seen in public in masks. But I agree that the majority shouldn't be locked down heavily. They just need to realize that hygiene/etc is very important and not just blow the whole thing off. Also, em…
/r/MGTOW204/05/20 12:43 PM
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At that age range the fatality rate is very low and I suspect most of those are already dealing with more serious issues (though there are a lot of people walking around with asthma that you'd never know from looking at them). That said, even a 0.05%/etc chance of dying is still pretty significant. Choosing to hang out with your friends right now is probably more dangerous than riding on a motorcycle without a helmet, which is something a lot of people would consider reckless (even though >99% o…
/r/MGTOW204/05/20 12:35 PM
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I have mixed feelings on this, but of course nobody in charge has common sense and they have to pander to voters. The lockdown definitely made sense initially. Everybody had to get into a mode of taking this very seriously otherwise there were just going to be a massive flood of unnecessary casualties. Yes, it only kills 0.x% of the population, but that is a LOT of people. It would kill an even higher rate if every hospital is flooded. Plus if all the hospitals are closed to new patients and you…
/r/MGTOW204/05/20 11:59 AM
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I have no problem saying that I hope this pandemic wipes out half of the human race. Well, it won't wipe out nearly that many, and for the most part it won't wipe out the dumb ones either. Idiots below the age of 30 are very unlikely to die. It will probably disproportionately kill much older people who can't figure out how to socially isolate. However, most of those people won't be having additional children in any case. Also, the biggest group that are likely to be impacted are people living i…
/r/MGTOW204/05/20 11:49 AM
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