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False Accusationgenobeam/r/MensRights01/07/19 06:40 PM
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False Accusationgenobeam/r/MensRights01/07/19 11:24 PM
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Feminismgenobeam/r/MensRights14/02/19 07:42 PM
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I've had to take a lot of breaks in the past. This stuff can certainly be taxing. Take care of yourself.
/r/MensRights24/03/24 09:50 PM
14

Sometimes you have to put your own mental health above society's problems
/r/MensRights24/03/24 09:45 PM
52

I'd rather not get sent to war either way
/r/MensRights14/03/24 11:23 AM
10

Father-child relationship is extremely important. Paternity leave emphasizes this and allows that early bond to develop. I'm 100% in favor of generous paternity leave
/r/MensRights24/01/24 08:30 PM
19

Facebook and social media is destroying everyone's lives.
/r/MensRights05/01/24 01:51 PM
1

What's unfair about paying more if you earn more
/r/MensRights01/01/24 05:12 AM
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If you're comparing who earns more, why would you add the households where both earn the same only to one side? Either you add 29% to both sides or neither. Men earn more in 55% vs 16% Men earn more or the same in 84% vs 45%
/r/MensRights01/01/24 05:09 AM
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Because you should either compare the households where men earn more to the households where women earn more OR compare the households where men earn more or the same to the households where women earn more or the same. 55% > 16% Or 84% > 45% You can't compare the households where women earn more or the same vs only the households where men earn more. That's not a fair comparison.
/r/MensRights01/01/24 05:05 AM
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I said "men earn more income" so, the fact that there are MORE households where men earn more than households where women earn more supports my point. 55% > 16%. To further emphasize my point: Median weekly earnings were $996 for women, $1,186 for men, in first quarter 2023. 1,186 > 996 therefor men earn more than women. That's amongst full time workers only. Since a higher percentage of men are full time workers than women, the gap is even higher when you include non-fulltime workers. BLS weekl…
/r/MensRights01/01/24 01:51 AM
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This data supports what I said
/r/MensRights01/01/24 01:23 AM
23

True and men earn more income so they pay more taxes
/r/MensRights31/12/23 11:31 PM
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It's not important if it isn't true. Men pay more taxes because they earn more. Even after taxes they take home more. There are reasons men are victims but paying more taxes isn't strictly one. Now if you argued that men earn more because of unfair societal expectations that they put work above their own health and happiness, then maybe you could make an argument
/r/MensRights31/12/23 11:30 PM
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Most engineering graduates don't get their pe cert
/r/MensRights23/12/23 04:15 PM
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You can.. but you'll probably fail. Business ownership is a lot of work, does not guarantee steady returns, and has a high rate of failure. Compare that to a steady income with set hours. 2 years is not really enough time to gain the proper experience in a profession to start a business either.
/r/MensRights22/12/23 06:48 PM
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Trade school has some major disadvantages compared to a bachelor's degree. Significantly lower earning potential, less job mobility, more physically taxing jobs, etc.
/r/MensRights22/12/23 05:31 PM
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If oppression is inherited then men today have inherited an equal amount. Half our ancestors are men and half are women. It's not comparable to something like racial oppression where communities can be held back for generations due to racist laws and practices.
/r/MensRights16/11/23 01:56 AM
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What kind of movie are you talking about specifically? Female led action movies?
/r/MensRights14/11/23 09:48 PM
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Can you please link some of these news articles?
/r/MensRights14/11/23 09:28 PM
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Does it include dialogue about how inept men are or is that speculation? There's nothing inherently misandrist about all female leads. There are plenty of movies with all male leads and I don't find them misogynistic. If there is a woke agenda here please highlight it.
/r/MensRights14/11/23 09:27 PM
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I'm not familiar with the movie, what about it is woke politics?
/r/MensRights14/11/23 08:01 PM
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Please explain what this has to do with men's rights
/r/MensRights14/11/23 06:49 PM
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Even those men get messed up by it. I know one of them and he's one of the most unhappy people I know.
/r/MensRights09/11/23 04:18 AM
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I disagree because that trend does not continue as women get older. Men and women both want 10/10 attractive partners, but online dating has made it very clear that if you're not a super attractive man, you will not match with a super attractive woman. Women on the other hand get many more matches and so get a false sense of who's available to them as a long term partner. I'm very close to one of these attractive men and I can tell you that after the women figure out that he's not really availab…
/r/MensRights08/11/23 01:19 PM
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Right but when Leonardo DiCaprio was done with the women, they were no longer in a relationship with him. So if you interviewed the women, now they would be single. It does not explain the stat.
/r/MensRights08/11/23 03:22 AM
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Logistically impossible? Genghis Khan did not impregnate "millions" of women. The number was in the hundreds or thousands.
/r/MensRights08/11/23 03:19 AM
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But for every woman aged 18-29 in a relationship with a man aged 30-49 there's one less man aged 30-49 for the 30-49 year old women to date. So why are the 30-49 year old men still more single than the 30-49 year old women? The age gap does not explain it.
/r/MensRights08/11/23 03:16 AM
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Sometimes, but that's not typical
/r/MensRights08/11/23 12:10 AM
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This just sounds like bullshit to me. For a child to survive and prosper it helps to have an involved partner. That means that an "alpha man" who is juggling 4 different partners will not make the best father. Finding a monogamous partner is important from a biological point of view.
/r/MensRights07/11/23 11:57 PM
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80% of women are alrdy dating 20% of men So 20% of men are averaging 4 simultaneous relationships?
/r/MensRights07/11/23 11:51 PM
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Yeah but aren't you still single if you're doing this?
/r/MensRights07/11/23 11:30 PM
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That's just guesses. I doubt bisexuality explains a significant percentage here. We're talking about 30% difference.
/r/MensRights07/11/23 11:29 PM
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Homosapiens have tended toward monogamy throughout all of recorded history and in many different cultures. This idea that harems are the natural order is just not supported by any data
/r/MensRights07/11/23 10:24 PM
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I disagree that women are "happier" that way. You don't see those trends continuing as women mature. I think it's that women in their 20's think that those top 5% guys are more available then they actually are. Those types of guys are often physically available but emotionally unavailable, and young women haven't learned that yet.
/r/MensRights07/11/23 10:05 PM
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I was looking at stats from Pew, which are along the lines of those numbers. But like I said, if men over 30 are dating women under 30, then why are women 30-49 still less single than men 30-49?
/r/MensRights07/11/23 09:24 PM
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I wonder how much of this is also caused by online dating. The guys I know who are casually dating multiple women all use online dating. For women it makes it very easy to be ultra-selective in the people you date, which funnels a lot of women towards dating the top percentage of attractive men.
/r/MensRights07/11/23 09:21 PM
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So the discrepancy is because ~20+% of women in the 18-29 age bracket are in "relationships" with guys that are "single"? I mean, I guess that could explain it but it's pretty sad. If you are a Chad, why would you date only 1 woman ? also, to answer your question, there are plenty of reasons to be in a monogamous relationship. Monogamous relationships are much more stable than polyamorous relationships. I'd argue much more fulfilling as well, but I am also biased.
/r/MensRights07/11/23 09:02 PM
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This is a snapshot in time right? So unless the women are dating the subset of men simultaneously that doesn't really explain the discrepancy.
/r/MensRights07/11/23 08:41 PM
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I don't understand these stats. How is there such a gap? Who are the women dating then? Are women that much more likely to be in homosexual relationships than men? If women are dating older men you'd expect the numbers to flip, but women in the 30-49 bracket still report being single less than men in the same group. The numbers don't really flip until the 65+ bracket and even then the disparity isn't as large and could be caused by the ratio of old women to old men being very skewed towards wome…
/r/MensRights07/11/23 08:28 PM
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I'm not OK with women being exploited so I don't think my stance represents a double standard. Financial domination is essentially exploitation.
/r/MensRights28/10/23 12:52 AM
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What double standard are you talking about? Can you be specific?
/r/MensRights28/10/23 12:23 AM
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There definitely is an observable trend where when more men enter a field the average pay increases and vice versa. Men tend to do more things which increase average pay, like work more overtime or specialize or trade benefits/flexibility for salary. Men do these things because men are valued by society for the amount they earn. It's the same reason women spend much more time than men working on looks, women are more valued for looks, men are more valued for salary.
/r/MensRights16/10/23 12:27 PM
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It's important to note the definition of "false accusation" is different from study to study. The 2% number comes from a study of people who were actually charged with making a false accusation. Most stats about false accusations are about police designations of false accusations which generally only happen when the accuser makes an admission. That number is around 8%. ​ https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/c4waw8/understanding_false_accusation_statistics/ Here's a write up I did on the …
/r/MensRights10/10/23 01:41 PM
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You want this stat to mean more than it does. If you 'control' 5% of purchases and 'influence' 80% of purchases then you 'control or influence' 85% of purchases. I guess I'm gonna eat a lot of downvotes on this topic but you are misusing a stat pulled from a dubious source. Imo MRAs need to be much more disciplined with stats and don't need to rely on shady numbers. I agree unpaid labor is a logical fallacy but 'women spend 80% of income' is absolutely absurd. It's literally feminist propaganda …
/r/MensRights08/10/23 12:46 PM
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If I saw a study with a methodology then I could tell you exactly what it means. Technically if you have any input at all into a spending decision that could be considered "influenced". Let's say a married couple spends 25k per year on their mortgage, 5k on car payments, and 10k on other stuff. If the man made all those purchases but the woman picked the color for the cars and said no to one house in a neighborhood she didn't like she influenced 75% of their consumer spending before you even con…
/r/MensRights08/10/23 12:30 AM
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... This is frustrating to explain because the stat is bullshit but using your own words: "the woman of the house makes the majority of the spending decisions" AND "the man of the house makes the majority of the spending decisions" are BOTH TRUE using this stat. MEN ALSO CONTROL OR INFLUENCE > 50% OF CONSUMER SPENDING. Also please find the primary source for this stat because I cannot find any study with a methodology that lists this number. Just infographics and secondary sources (such as the s…
/r/MensRights08/10/23 12:15 AM
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No, it's not semantic. Multiple people can influence the same purchase. Multiple people cannot make the final decision on a purchase. "80% of income is spent by women" implies men only spend 20% of income which is incorrect. Women do not spend 4x more than men. Women influence 80% of consumer spending because home purchases are mostly joint and account for a massive percentage of consumer spending. Men influence more than 50% of consumer spending also. That statistic is misleading. It's not surp…
/r/MensRights07/10/23 11:59 PM
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80% of the household combined income is spent by women I agree with your point but can we stop misusing this statistic? It is the percentage of consumer spending that women "influence". For a joint home purchase both the man and woman would get credit for influencing that decision. So women don't "spend 80% of the money". Most of the big purchasing decisions are counted as joint influence. The statistic is something like women influence 80% of consumer spending and men influence 76% Edit: Anyone…
/r/MensRights07/10/23 06:28 PM
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You got any citations for this info? I'd love to see some evidence for these trends in who's fighting for custody.
/r/MensRights02/10/23 02:55 PM
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They actively lie to their users to promote their worldview. They've had a link to "False Rape Accusations and Why We Shouldn't Fear a False Rape Epidemic" on their sidebar for years. I did a breakdown of all the lies contained within (there are many and they are blatant). I brought it to the attention of the mods and they did not care at all. The breakdown: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/c7xtyt/rmenslib_is_knowingly_spreading_lies_about_false/
/r/MensRights30/09/23 02:21 AM
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One big caveat to this is that the numbers add up to more than 100% because a lot of these purchases are joint between a man and woman. Vacations, homes, Bank accounts are mostly joint.
/r/MensRights27/09/23 11:16 AM
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I'm not advocating for it to be illegal, but I'm sure it's very hard for someone with this fetish to get help because of the taboo nature of it. Recognizing it as a real issue can help by destigmatizing it and allowing people who are suffering to talk about it and recover from it.
/r/MensRights26/09/23 08:09 PM
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And junkies want to get high. Doesn't mean it's healthy behavior for them.
/r/MensRights26/09/23 05:12 PM
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Meta studies tend to use broad categories so they can combine data from different studies. My biggest question is why and how they combine their own broad categories (prevalence of any use, problematic use, and alcohol related harm)
/r/MensRights26/09/23 09:45 AM
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I'm looking at the supplemental section. It says that only 15% of the studies used included "prevalence of risky drinking" and only 5% included "frequency of heavy binge drinking". The sex ratio includes "prevalence of any use", which 51% of studies included. My point is that "any use" doesn't equal risky behavior, so what weight is that getting in the sex ratio? Why are the individual metrics not displayed somewhere individually? Even the 3 broad categories they use (indicators of any alcohol u…
/r/MensRights26/09/23 09:35 AM
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If the gender ratio for problematic drinking behavior is 1.1 then why do men die from problematic drinking at 3x the rate of women? The study does not define what variables comprise this "gender ratio" figure nor the weights of any variables. Not all studies within the meta-analysis report the same variables so the weights of each study going into the "general ratio" figure are different. Any study that uses a methodology that cannot be recreated is questionable to me. I can't see how you don't …
/r/MensRights25/09/23 08:56 PM
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bullshit. Meta-analyses are rife with handwavy bullshit statistics. There isn't any real data to look at here, to get to the actual data you have to dig into the references, many of which are paywalled. But it's not hard to just google the gender differences in alcohol related illness. According to the CDC men are almost twice as likely to binge drink, binge drink greater amounts, binge drink more often, are more likely to be hospitalized due to alcohol consumption, have increased injury, violoe…
/r/MensRights25/09/23 03:00 PM
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Bruh...
/r/MensRights20/09/23 01:21 AM
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That number is misleading because a lot of big purchases (i.e. housing) are joint between two partners so men control > 50% of spending using the same metric. Don't remember the exact numbers but women were only slightly higher than men
/r/MensRights17/09/23 12:34 AM
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I understand what you're saying, but the bias against men is a large factor in the increase in male incarceration. You cannot separate out the bias in this instance. That's why the number of state incarcerated males has grown by 700k vs about 80k for incarcerated females. If that bias had nothing to do with it and just the overall downward spiral of the crime sector as a whole, then you'd expect the numbers to increase similarly for men and women. But the male numbers increased 9x more than the …
/r/MensRights04/08/23 02:03 PM
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If the justice system is very biased against men, and that bias did not change, then this statement doesn't make any sense: the real problem is with the entire crime and incarcerations field, not a men vs women thing That persistent bias against men is a huge part of the problem.
/r/MensRights04/08/23 01:36 PM
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That's a complicated question to answer and I'm not sure I see the relevance.
/r/MensRights04/08/23 12:42 PM
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Citation needed.
/r/MensRights04/08/23 12:35 AM
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If reframing the data is misleading then yes it's bad for a news organization to do that.
/r/MensRights03/08/23 10:21 PM
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Well a big part of the problem is a men vs women thing. Sentencing is much stricter for men than women adjusting for crime and criminal history.
/r/MensRights03/08/23 10:10 PM
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I fail to see how a 14.7% growth compared to a 12.5% increase in a population 2.8x larger represents an "interesting sociological shift". More likely the publisher is just framing the data to appeal to a primarily female readership.
/r/MensRights03/08/23 10:05 PM
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In 1978 there were 255,025 more men than women in state prisons. Today there are 895,932 more men than women. Even adjusting for population growth the gap has increased. You can't compare growth rates to different baselines to see if a gap is closing. If anything you should compare the incarceration rate per 100k people or some similar metric to get an apples to apples comparison.
/r/MensRights03/08/23 09:40 PM
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Yes, the rates are important, but so is the context. Statements like "Women's population is growing faster than men" can be pretty misleading when the men's population is numerically increasing by 9x the number. When the rates are used to make a comparison between two different populations and draw conclusions about which population is more at risk, that's where I have a problems with the way these statistics are being used. Consider this article: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/wom…
/r/MensRights03/08/23 09:13 PM
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The gap isn't actually narrowing. Male binge drinkers outnumber female binge drinkers almost 2:1, so when binge drinking goes up 14% for women and 12% for men the gap actually INCREASES. (12%2 > 14%1). It's just blatantly misrepresenting statistics to fit a narrative. And you shouldn't be happy about it anyway because it's an issue and it's getting worse for both men and women.
/r/MensRights30/07/23 12:30 AM
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The statement is just flat incorrect. Men 25-35 have the highest rate of binge drinking, men 18-24 are second. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7041a2.htm
/r/MensRights30/07/23 12:25 AM
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https://imgur.com/a/vOmsX1H
/r/MensRights30/07/23 12:12 AM
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I think the stat is no sex in the past year.
/r/MensRights11/06/23 04:10 AM
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"I see a situation where there's a woman in such fear of her life she is armed with a knife. I have every right to believe maybe he has a weapon". Such a huge assumption that BECAUSE SHE HAS A KNIFE therefore HE is the threat. Just unbelievable.
/r/MensRights11/06/23 04:03 AM
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He was found guilty of illegal discharge of a firearm so not quite scott free and according to the video had a couple pending charges the jury did not make a ruling on set for pre-trial hearings.
/r/MensRights11/06/23 04:00 AM
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Looking at a tragedy explicitly as something to be exploited to advance your personal ideology especially when the two are not directly related is disgusting
/r/MensRights29/03/23 02:30 PM
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Old people are more likely to vote and old women outnumber old men by a lot. Also both parties ( especially the Democratic party) try to pander to women in different ways, while neither party really pushes anything pro men.
/r/MensRights25/03/23 10:59 AM
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Technically the false rape numbers mostly come from police investigations where the accuser admits the accusations are fabricated. Women are hardly ever charged or prosecuted for making false allegations.
/r/MensRights04/03/23 01:10 AM
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Guy above said millennials have higher divorce rate because they haven't been married as long. You say they have lower divorce rate because they haven't been married as long. Neither is accurate because the divorce rate has been dropping in each age group as millennials age in to that group. Previous generations had higher rates at the same stages
/r/MensRights27/02/23 12:27 AM
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That's not true. Younger couples have lower divorce rates.
/r/MensRights26/02/23 01:50 PM
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Boomers and gen x have higher divorce rates than millennials though. https://freebeacon.com/culture/divorce-is-down-thanks-to-millennials/
/r/MensRights26/02/23 01:48 PM
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The US went from hating Native Americans (some religion in this one), to the Irish, to the Jewish, to black people (though this one started back with native Americans), to gay people (after a peaceful break in the 70's), and now it's men. Most of these groups were/are hated simultaneously. It's not like people stopped hating any one of these groups and then switched to another. "The US" is too broad a group. Plenty of people here still hate many of the groups mentioned in your comment. Plenty of…
/r/MensRights14/11/22 07:09 PM
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Nursing actually pays pretty decently.
/r/MensRights09/11/22 02:20 AM

This post has been removed because: Rule 1: Submissions must be about men's rights issues. These should fall into one of these categories. Discrimination against men Issues that disproportionately affect men Problems that prevent men's issue being addressed Posts about other issues that have some relationship with men's rights should make it clear what that relationship is. These should be self-posts that explain the connection to men's rights.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 12:43 PM
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The majority of the gap is job selection and mother's dropping out of the full time work force. Men pick careers with higher earning potential and increase their hours when they have kids, women tend to greatly reduce hours after child birth. If you factor out everything there's no gap
/r/MensRights11/06/22 04:52 PM
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GDP has also significantly increased in the last century, adjusted for inflation and population. This is linked to an increased demand for workers.
/r/MensRights08/06/22 02:41 AM
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Our discussion is about language and terminology. Language changes over time. All language is socially constructed. The word "man" was typically used in a gender neutral way to mean "person" until the 11th century when it became gendered. It's not hard to distinguish when you're speaking of someone who was born a man by saying "biological man" or "male". I do not have a problem putting both biological men and trans men under the same umbrella term "men". We already have a word which describes th…
/r/MensRights07/06/22 12:06 PM
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Wtf is "staring of a sexual nature"
/r/MensRights06/06/22 08:21 PM
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Whether you believe it's "entirely socially constructed" depends on your definition of the term "gender". Many now use the term to refer to the social differences rather than the biological differences between the sexes. I personally don't have a problem using the term "gender" to refer to those social differences and differentiating gender from the term "sex". With that definition, "gender" is used to describe a fully socially constructed framework for men and women. You are using a different d…
/r/MensRights06/06/22 07:48 PM
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This post has been removed because: Rule 1: Submissions must be about men's rights issues. These should fall into one of these categories. Discrimination against men Issues that disproportionately affect men Problems that prevent men's issue being addressed Posts about other issues that have some relationship with men's rights should make it clear what that relationship is. These should be self-posts that explain the connection to men's rights. ​ Mod Note: I understand this is satire, but clearl…
/r/MensRights06/06/22 06:15 PM
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Custody battles are another big reason you missed. False accusations can win full custody for the accuser.
/r/MensRights30/05/22 02:51 AM
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Equality isn't about a balanced outcome, equality is about letting everyone have an equal shot of getting on the seesaw, regardless of what the end result looks like.
/r/MensRights18/04/22 06:43 PM
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We need to censor those types of comments to adhere to reddit's overarching rules. the rule in question is not a r/mensrights rule, it's a reddit rule. If you don't like that you arent supposed to post personal info, then you need to take that up with reddit's admins, not our mod team.
/r/MensRights30/03/22 12:27 PM
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Frankly, this issue seems to be blown way out of proportion. The sub is not going to die because one comment which only had a name and location was removed. A 24 hour ban was issued and an explanation was given. The user disagreed with the rationale, but the rationale was there and was transparent. The mods on this sub are generally lax but we absolutely must adhere to reddit's overarching rules. That's the bare minimum that we as a mod team have to do. If users don't agree with those rules, the…
/r/MensRights29/03/22 07:13 PM
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It only shows up if i click the button on each post.
/r/MensRights29/03/22 06:23 PM
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I wasn't the exact mod who handled this situation so I can't answer your second question, although a 24 hour ban is sort of a slap on the wrist. As to articles with names, the reddit rule is about intent and it's clearer that posting an article with names is not intentional incitement of harassment, but a comment that highlights the name and location might be. It's not black and white and the mods are doing the best we can to adhere to reddit's content policy. The comment itself also added nothi…
/r/MensRights29/03/22 06:20 PM
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The article itself was not removed. The article is fine. The issue is commenting about someone's name and location with no context could be interpreted as inviting harassment. That particular comment was removed, not the article.
/r/MensRights29/03/22 03:50 PM
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It's meant to be warning for people in the area to avoid her for their own safety If it's meant to be any kind of message for people in her area to treat her any kind of particular way then you better believe reddit admins will interpret that as inviting harassment. It's not up to the mods on here to decide what the common MRA practice is, this is something above our heads. Reddit admins don't ask the mods what the interpretation is, they just ban subreddits that they feel break their interpreta…
/r/MensRights29/03/22 03:49 PM
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The article was not removed, only the comment. The reddit rules are not black and white, but we as a mod team have to do the best we can to enforce them or we will lose the privilege of having this forum. My interpretation is that the intent of the article is not to invite harassment, but a comment which only reiterates the name and location could be interpreted as inviting harassment. The mod team is also relatively small. Moderation is a team effort where we rely on members of the community re…
/r/MensRights29/03/22 03:44 PM
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Yeah, I agree with you. The issue is these are not r/MensRights rules, these are reddit rules and the mods here aren't the ones who get to argue over what the interpretation is. Reddit doesn't strictly define what constitutes "personal information", so even though the information is listed in the article, it's not clear whether it still counts. If a reddit admin wants it to count against us it will. Also, it's not clear what the intent of the comment is. The comment is literally just listing the…
/r/MensRights29/03/22 03:16 PM
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The reddit content policy rules are listed here: https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy Rule 3 Respect the privacy of others. Instigating harassment, for example by revealing someone’s personal or confidential information, is not allowed. Our sub is certainly not going to get the benefit of the doubt so it's not really worth it to flirt with these rules. The post in question is not adding anything to the discussion, it's just listing personal information. I think whether this is "inst…
/r/MensRights29/03/22 02:48 PM
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If you're saying my math is bad, you're wrong. Here's an example: sample population is 100 people. 60 are women, 40 are men. in our sample there were 10 hospitalizations. 6 were men, 4 were women. 60% of hospitalizations were men. men were 1.5 times as likely to be affected than women. there were 1.5 times more women than men. 1.5*1.5 = 2.25. Adjusted for population men were 2.25 times more likely to be affected. 6 men out of 40 = 15% of the male population was hospitalized compared to 4 women h…
/r/MensRights26/09/21 01:40 AM
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56.5% of hospitalizations or deaths means Men were ~1.3x more likely to be affected. 55.5% of population means there are ~1.25x more women 1.3*1.25 = ~1.62. Adjusted for population men were 1.62 times as likely to be affected compared to women. The adjusted percentages would be 61.8% of hospitalizations/deaths affect men compared to 38.2% for women.
/r/MensRights23/09/21 04:22 PM
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Based on my interactions over there I'd be surprised if they saw it as hypocrisy. Feminists think discrimination against men is totally ok because "historical inequities" or some such nonsense.
/r/MensRights08/07/21 12:48 PM
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His lawyers said two of the victims knowingly took the drugs. There were dozens of accusations
/r/MensRights01/07/21 03:44 AM
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Honestly that's not a healthy outlook for your mental health. Though the possibility exists, you're letting it control your life
/r/MensRights28/06/21 09:34 PM
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Being drafted and sent to your death probably doesn't break the top 100 in ways you'll probably die. Do you live in constant fear of car accidents or heart disease?
/r/MensRights28/06/21 01:39 PM
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Voting has more impact than the draft. Local elections are very important. The draft hasn't been called in a long time
/r/MensRights28/06/21 10:26 AM
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I'm not arguing that it's still not equal, i'm saying progress was made. Imo neither gender should be conscripted.
/r/MensRights28/06/21 06:23 AM
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I get what you're saying but not having the right to vote is less equal than having the right to vote, so even though women didn't have to register for the draft, it was a step forward for equality.
/r/MensRights28/06/21 05:44 AM
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Let me play devil's advocate here and say that the decrease in popularity isn't necessarily a sign that something went wrong. As women achieved more equality it could be that feminism would lose popularity because it's no longer needed. That would mean a decrease in popularity would be a sign of things going right.
/r/MensRights28/06/21 05:25 AM
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Country music has a lot of songs with positivity about fatherhood. Lizzo has a song called boys that's positive about men.
/r/MensRights28/06/21 05:21 AM
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The ultimate goal is to achieve equality. Some of the areas where men don't have equality: Education: women surpassed men in earning undergraduate degrees in 1983 and the gap has kept widening since then. Women make up the majority of teachers and there are studies that female teachers have an anti male bias in grading. Male students are given more detentions, suspensions, and expulsions starting at a young age which statistically are associated with worse education outcomes. Legal system: men a…
/r/MensRights28/06/21 05:05 AM

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/r/MensRights26/06/21 07:02 PM

Your post was removed due to rule 14, titles must be descriptive. Titles must describe the content so that: Users know what the link they are clicking on content before they click it Users who are searching for specific material can easily find the post they are looking for Take the time to describe your link, and save the time of hundreds of other people. When making a title, it's best to assume the reader doesn't know what you're talking about - but don't go overboard with every detail. Then c…
/r/MensRights26/06/21 07:01 PM
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Can you please provide a link to your data source?
/r/MensRights26/06/21 05:11 PM
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There aren't a ton of systemic advantages but there are plenty of cultural/ biological advantages. We are much more efficient at using the restroom/shorter lines, we're not expected to use makeup or shave our legs, we can eat more without getting fat, we don't have to push a baby out of our body to become a parent, we're taken more seriously in a lot of situations, higher alcohol tolerance, we're generally faster/ better at sports, won't be judged as harshly for sleeping around, just to make a f…
/r/MensRights25/06/21 11:39 PM
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It sucks that you're feeling attacked and diminished. I've found that patience and open communication are the key to getting through these things. You're both at a very difficult stage of life, try to appreciate that and give your partner the benefit of the doubt as much as possible. Try to communicate your feelings to her without being accusatory. When you communicate your feelings to your wife try to use phrases like "I feel ____" rather than "You do _____". For example "I feel happy about the…
/r/MensRights25/06/21 07:06 PM
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For us it goes in cycles, but when she's on an "i only want mommy" cycle it can feel pretty bad to be dad. Sounds like your wife isn't handling it well but could it be that she's feeling hurt that her daughter doesn't seem to want her?
/r/MensRights25/06/21 06:04 PM
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You should talk to a lawyer
/r/MensRights25/06/21 04:13 PM

Your post was removed due to rule 7: No Reposts. Material that is substantially similar to something posted within the last three days counts as a repost. A post with new information about the same topic is not a repost. If similar posts are made within a few days of each other, the number of upvotes and comments will be taken into account when choosing which to remove. Moderators will use their discretion. No Fakes No Ads No posts about being banned from other subreddits. Nearly everyone here h…
/r/MensRights25/06/21 02:09 AM

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/r/MensRights25/06/21 01:37 AM

This post has been removed because: Rule 1: Submissions must be about men's rights issues. These should fall into one of these categories. Discrimination against men Issues that disproportionately affect men Problems that prevent men's issue being addressed Posts about other issues that have some relationship with men's rights should make it clear what that relationship is. These should be self-posts that explain the connection to men's rights.
/r/MensRights25/06/21 01:36 AM

This post has been removed because: Rule 1: Submissions must be about men's rights issues. These should fall into one of these categories. Discrimination against men Issues that disproportionately affect men Problems that prevent men's issue being addressed Posts about other issues that have some relationship with men's rights should make it clear what that relationship is. These should be self-posts that explain the connection to men's rights.
/r/MensRights25/06/21 01:20 AM
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ok, looking forward to it.
/r/MensRights23/06/21 02:11 PM
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You still working on this?
/r/MensRights23/06/21 01:38 PM
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I don't agree that modern feminism must be viewed through the lens of feminism's historical accomplishments. The movement has evolved and today's feminism is not the same feminism of the suffragettes. Again you've described the pay gap and rape culture as issues that need a "fix". The problem is, these "issues" are not clearly defined. There are a dozen factors that contribute to the pay gap that have nothing to do with discrimination, but "solutions" to the "problem" ignore these factors and fo…
/r/MensRights23/06/21 01:39 AM
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The core issues that feminism is built upon are based upon lies. Gender pay gap. The statistic "women make 75 cents for every dollar a man earns" is not a measure of discrimination. That's not to say discrimination does not exist, but this stat doesn't demonstrate it. The number one reason for the gap is that women tend to put their careers on hold when they have children, while men tend to increase hours worked after having children. If you look at men and women in their 20's for example, there…
/r/MensRights22/06/21 08:20 PM

Your post was removed because it broke the crosslinking rules: Linking to a comment thread in which you are involved encourages brigading and is not allowed. Cross-linking to posts from other subs must be done only by NP links or screenshots. Replace "www" portion of the URL with "np". Cross-linking to hate subs such as r/ShitRedditSays or r/AgainstMensRights is banned. This includes the SRS offshoots. Users should respect the communities that are cross-linked. Reddit enforces a no-tolerance pol…
/r/MensRights22/06/21 01:22 PM
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I'm leaving this post up but in the future please follow rule 14: Title must be descriptive.
/r/MensRights22/06/21 01:16 PM

This post has been removed because: Rule 1: Submissions must be about men's rights issues. These should fall into one of these categories. Discrimination against men Issues that disproportionately affect men Problems that prevent men's issue being addressed Posts about other issues that have some relationship with men's rights should make it clear what that relationship is. These should be self-posts that explain the connection to men's rights.
/r/MensRights22/06/21 01:12 PM

This screenshot is taken out of context. The full paragraph is not disparaging to men. "I’ve read your bio and know you used to write comics for a website called suck.com, so I imagine you have at least a fingertip on the pulse of the more, shall I say, cynical side of the internet? If you do, you know that for every woman in America there’s an article about how men are the root of society’s ills, how men are so violent they must be rounded up and taught not to rape women, how men should be redu…
/r/MensRights22/06/21 01:05 PM
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I seriously don't know what you're talking about. You going to tell me or just gloat to yourself?
/r/MensRights22/06/21 12:20 AM
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Explain what you mean
/r/MensRights22/06/21 12:08 AM
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Your response about selling their land? Do you need me to explain what a lease is? You can't sell land you don't own.
/r/MensRights22/06/21 12:00 AM
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I pointed out that your own comment describes how black land holders had their 40 acres taken and were given a 6 year lease on 20 acres instead. You have no comment on that? Did you just not read that part?
/r/MensRights21/06/21 11:45 PM
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Because you didn't address my point and moved on to make an unrelated point
/r/MensRights21/06/21 11:42 PM
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So I guess you're just ceding the point then that those aforementioned landholders had their property repossessed
/r/MensRights21/06/21 11:39 PM
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You're changing the subject.
/r/MensRights21/06/21 10:54 PM
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Firstly, "In June 1866, it was reported by one of the planters that the number of negroes holding possessory titles was few in comparison with those working under contract." so this is only a portion of the freedmen. Secondly, what you just posted proves my point. The land possessed by the freedmen with titles was reclaimed and they were given leases on half as many acres, after which the original owners would be paid off for the land. "Thus the freedmen were to surrender the plantations for whi…
/r/MensRights21/06/21 08:20 PM
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By June 1865, about 40,000 freedpeople were settled on 435,000 acres (180,000 ha) in the Sea Islands.[85][86] In the winter of 1866–1867, Sickles turned the Union Army on the settlers, evicting all those that could not produce the correct deed. Black settlers retained control over 1,565 titles amounting to 63,000 acres.[213] Scott recounted in his report to Congress: "The officers of these detachments in many instances took from the freedmen their certificates, declared them worthless, and destr…
/r/MensRights21/06/21 05:06 PM
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I didn't say "all" I said most. Andrew Johnson's reconstruction policies led to the repossession of most of the land confiscated during wartime. When you say a "massive amount of land was transferred" I assume you're primarily talking about the sea islands specified by General Sherman's special Field Order 15. This land was restored to its former owners by Johnson.From wikipedia: After Lincoln's assassination, Andrew Johnson became president. On May 29, 1865, Johnson issued an amnesty proclamati…
/r/MensRights21/06/21 04:38 PM
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Do you know what "annulled and reversed" means? The majority of land that was distributed to freed slaves was then taken back and given to the former white owners. Please take a minute to educate yourself.
/r/MensRights21/06/21 02:46 PM
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If a user has broken the rules please report the incident to the mod team.
/r/MensRights21/06/21 04:28 AM
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As you know massive amounts of wealth was transferred prior to that. slave OWNERS were given $300 per freed slave, while slaves were paid $100 only if they left the us forever. Is that what you're talking about? Not really equivalent to 40 acres and a mule. You're harassing users and spreading false information. Please stop
/r/MensRights21/06/21 04:18 AM
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Just fyi the poster attacking you has no idea what they're talking about. 40 acres and a mule was reversed and annulled. Any land allocated was given back to the former white owners
/r/MensRights21/06/21 12:52 AM
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The 40 acres and a mule order was annulled and reversed by Andrew Johnson. Please stop telling people they're ignorant while spouting off about things you clearly don't know about
/r/MensRights21/06/21 12:50 AM
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"Happy Father's Day to the fathers, stepfathers, grandfathers, and father figures who enrich our character, love us unconditionally, and give so much of themselves every day so we can live lives worthy of their dreams and sacrifices." https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1406662126912081923?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1406662126912081923%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-32977368314056973530.ampproject.net%2F2106072053000%2Fframe.html
/r/MensRights20/06/21 10:19 PM
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/06/18/a-proclamation-on-fathers-day-2021/
/r/MensRights20/06/21 10:14 PM
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Ive seen dad focused billboards in maryland.
/r/MensRights20/06/21 04:15 PM
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The post I linked includes definitions and examples for all the police classifications.
/r/MensRights20/06/21 02:32 PM
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If the accuser doesn't provide a statement i'm not sure how you can categorize the case as "true" or "false". Usually the victims statement is the primary source of evidence. I think the solution is to educate people about why these classifications exist. Refer to figure 2 on this post for reasons why cases are suspended: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/c6p1kk/case_outcomes_damning_evidence_against_current/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
/r/MensRights20/06/21 02:29 PM
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"Unfounded" doesn't mean uninvestigated. In many of these cases the accuser doesn't cooperate with the investigation and so the investigation can't continue. This includes not giving a statement, not naming a suspect, or providing inconsistent statements.
/r/MensRights20/06/21 02:23 PM
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These are things you need to discuss with your partner. Having children in your mid 30's is absolutely fine. (I know from experience).
/r/MensRights20/06/21 01:34 PM
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If you're happy with your partner then stay with her. Getting older with someone is part of life. You didn't miss out on anything. Honestly older women tend to have a more well-rounded view of the world than younger women in my experience. Also "30's is the peak and then things start to decline", you're not dating an NFL running back. 3 years is not a big age difference. Statistically you'll probably die first anyway.
/r/MensRights20/06/21 01:25 PM
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So that actual law you were talking about? was that just something you were making up or what?
/r/MensRights20/06/21 03:24 AM
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The memo I quoted is a draft of the resolution. It is THE "actual law". so again I ask you, which "actual law" are you talking about that doesn't specify race? Here's the memorandum: https://cityofevanston.civicweb.net/document/50624/Adoption%20of%20Resolution%2037-R-27,%20Authorizing%20the.pdf?handle=E11C7B73E1B6470DA42362AB80A50C46
/r/MensRights20/06/21 03:00 AM
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I didnt say there was no law, I said the law DOES specify race. I provided a quote for you. The part that's confusing me is why you're saying race is not specified. It clearly is.
/r/MensRights20/06/21 02:53 AM
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The person who posted it is welcome to appeal my decision by messaging the mod team.
/r/MensRights20/06/21 02:21 AM
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Sorry I'm confused what your point was about the law not specifying race. The law specifies that black people were discriminated against, so in that way in specifies race. It doesn't require that applicants be black, but that they were discriminated against by anti-black housing policies, or descended from someone who was.
/r/MensRights20/06/21 01:54 AM
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Which "actual law" are you talking about? From the evanston city council memo: The Restorative Housing Program (“the Program”) acknowledges the historical harm caused to Black/African-American Evanston residents due to discriminatory housing policies and practices and inaction by the City. To apply you need to meet one of these: Applicants applying as an Ancestor. Applicants applying as a Direct Descendant. Applicants that do not qualify as either an Ancestor or Direct Descendant, but experience…
/r/MensRights20/06/21 01:46 AM
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If you read the Evanston report it's pretty clear that these particular reparations don't apply to white men because they were not subjected to the anti-black discriminatory policies which these specific reparations are addressing. Note that these reparations are not for slavery. This topic is not about men. The OP is trying to make it a men's issue to invalidate the discrimination black people faced. The men's rights movement is not anti-black rights. Whether or not you agree with reparations, …
/r/MensRights20/06/21 01:07 AM
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Is this a women hating board or a men's rights board?
/r/MensRights19/06/21 11:40 PM
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OP is taking me out of context. I didn't remove any posts for political reasons. OP posted about reparations. That's not a men's rights issue. Op's point was that reparations are racist against white people. In regards to the capital riot post, I did not remove that post or anything in it
/r/MensRights19/06/21 10:01 PM
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You made a whole post just to whine about me and you're gonna call me pissy lol
/r/MensRights19/06/21 07:00 PM
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The op was arguing rebellion is a human right but U.S. code says it's illegal. I wasnt arguing that the capital protesters should or shouldn't be charged just that it's not a legal right.
/r/MensRights19/06/21 06:54 PM
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As far as I know there's no maximum character count for memes
/r/MensRights19/06/21 06:52 PM
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It was a generalization about women's intelligence
/r/MensRights19/06/21 06:36 PM
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Thanks for the feedback
/r/MensRights19/06/21 06:34 PM
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You posted about how it's not fair that non-black people can't apply for funds that were allocated to address specific anti-black policies. That's not related to men's rights. As far as my recent comment history it's because someone was arguing that people who stormed the capital shouldn't face any charges because they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
/r/MensRights19/06/21 06:30 PM
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Commenting isn't the same as posting.
/r/MensRights19/06/21 06:25 PM
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Me wanting to discuss it doesn't make it relevant to men's rights
/r/MensRights19/06/21 06:19 PM
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Since your article is "light on the details" here is the report that outlines the impact of racial segregation practices in Evanston during the time frame of reparation repayments. https://www.cityofevanston.org/home/showpublisheddocument?id=59759 I hope this sheds some light on why the reparations in Evanston are specifically being paid out to people who are black. (It's because their being black was the cause of discrimination if that isn't obvious enough).
/r/MensRights19/06/21 06:14 PM
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This post is primarily about the constitutionality of reparations which is not a men's rights issue. It seems to me that you're making this a men's rights issue ironically in order to add to your point that black people shouldn't be paid reparations. None of this falls under "men's rights".
/r/MensRights19/06/21 05:39 PM
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Your post was removed due to rule 10: Hate speech restrictions. We want to encourage people to share their views without allowing stupid posts. Messages that are purely for insult or hate purposes will be removed (eg "black people are lazy"). Alternatively, messages that discuss a person's opinion, or argues for a point, may not be removed. Extreme misogyny or misandry will be removed - this doesn't include posts about general traits of women/men, but attacks on either gender as a whole (ie: "Me…
/r/MensRights19/06/21 05:29 PM

This post has been removed because: Rule 1: Submissions must be about men's rights issues. These should fall into one of these categories. Discrimination against men Issues that disproportionately affect men Problems that prevent men's issue being addressed Posts about other issues that have some relationship with men's rights should make it clear what that relationship is. These should be self-posts that explain the connection to men's rights.
/r/MensRights19/06/21 05:26 PM
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If you see a mob storming the capital shouting "kill pence" carrying trump signs and you think "hey this is a good time to save $35 on a capital tour!" Then you deserve your trespassing misdemeanor. It's not like these guys are being charged with treason. Also they were trespassing so they're not innocent.
/r/MensRights18/06/21 08:46 PM
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Yes what does that have to do with it
/r/MensRights18/06/21 08:41 PM
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Look at any picture of the mob and there are trump flags and maga hats everywhere. pretty obvious who the mob was there to support
/r/MensRights18/06/21 06:54 PM
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Are you arguing that the rioters weren't trump supporters, weren't there to disrupt Congress, weren't influenced at all by trump, or what? They were just randoms that wanted a look in the capital? What are you even arguing here?
/r/MensRights18/06/21 06:04 PM
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Whether or not you believe trump meant to incite violence, the rioters were there to disrupt the ratification of the vote and that is my point. If you have some other theory why a bunch of trump supporters marched on the capital after trump essentially told them to, then please present it. They were shouting "kill Mike pence" after word came out that he was not going to be complicit in trump's plan to block the ratification of the vote. Please explain that. Trump was impeached for inciting viole…
/r/MensRights18/06/21 05:38 PM
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How about you look it up for yourself. The rioters were watching the rally from their phones. They literally admitted marching to the capital because of trump's words. If you think they're just random opportunists you're intentionally burying your head in the sand
/r/MensRights18/06/21 05:47 AM
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The rioters are being charged with mostly Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building; Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building; Violent Entry and Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building; Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building. These are not crimes covered by the patriot act so your whole argument is based on nothing. Most of the rioters are not charged with very serious crimes. You're acting like they're all being charged with terrorism. Also habeas c…
/r/MensRights18/06/21 02:09 AM
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The capital was stormed because congress was getting ready to ratify the election results that trump disputed. Read the transcript of trump's speech. "All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they're doing. And stolen by the fake news media. That's what they've done and what they're doing. We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn't happen. You don't concede when there's theft involved."
/r/MensRights18/06/21 01:53 AM
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I'm not the one who removed your original post, but I can also see why it was removed. You loosely advocate for the overthrowing of the US government. This type of post is difficult because there are foreign actors who want to spread these kinds of ideas and are not here for mens rights discussions. Your post throws some mens rights issues into the last paragraph, which seems like an afterthought to the rest of the post. It's full of absolutist claims with no citations or evidence. You build an …
/r/MensRights17/06/21 03:44 PM

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/r/MensRights17/06/21 02:53 PM

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/r/MensRights15/06/21 07:52 PM

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/r/MensRights02/06/21 05:15 PM
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In what ways did BLM and Trump affect sentencing practices that would invalidate 500k data points over 16 years?
/r/MensRights30/05/21 01:27 AM
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Who are these men that speak about women like that? I agree that "women's value peaks at X age" is a terrible comment, but I dont know anyone who thinks that way. Sure some men think women's peak attractiveness is around that age, but value and attractiveness are not the same thing. Very strawman sounding quote.
/r/MensRights27/05/21 08:04 PM
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Citation please? Quick google search says more like 25%-30% although the data i found was from the 90's.
/r/MensRights12/04/21 11:28 PM
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Forcing a man to ejaculate for you is rape
/r/MensRights11/02/21 05:16 AM
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" The top ranked nation to favour women over men is claimed to be Saudi Arabia, with a score of -0.001554. " This is really poorly worded and makes it sound like Saudi Arabia is the best country in the world for women. Saudi Arabia was the closest to 0 out of all the countries and only favored women very slightly.
/r/MensRights26/10/20 06:51 PM

This post has been removed because: Rule 2: Posts must provide value and shouldn't be Memes, which should be posted on r/MRAmemes Rage comics Low-effort images Low-effort text posts sTuPiD cApS Screen shots of media articles without a link to the original This kind of content belongs in subs specifically devoted to these things, such as r/mramemes. If you have a point to make or a story to tell, make a self-post. It is not the content so much as the format that is the problem. Mods may remove lo…
/r/MensRights22/10/20 02:21 PM
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It's not going to have an effect on what movies get made, it's just virtue signaling. The requirements are very easy to pass, and I'm not sure how they'd even determine some of them. Wouldn't it be rather invasive to ask the entire crew what their sexual orientation was so they can determine if they have 30% representation?
/r/MensRights14/10/20 02:27 PM

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/r/MensRights15/09/20 06:24 PM
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Don't forget men also spend more time commuting. This gap hardly ever gets considered in these types of discussions. https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/articles/thecommutinggapmenaccountfor65ofcommuteslastingmorethananhour/2018-11-07
/r/MensRights14/08/20 04:54 AM

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/r/MensRights28/07/20 07:37 PM
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Well if you do the research and have a good data to send them, send it to me to look at and maybe i'll email them too.
/r/MensRights28/06/20 01:42 AM
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Well why dont you do that then? I dont have the "corrected stats". If you have good stats to email them then do it.
/r/MensRights28/06/20 01:24 AM
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There are no corrected stats. These stats are literally just opinions of interviewed advocates. The stats are correct that 14% of advocates believe women/girls are at risk of losing their right to freedom from torture and 0% of advocates believe men/boys are at risk of that.
/r/MensRights27/06/20 11:55 PM
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I agree with you and agree it's great the men/boys are at least included now, just wanted to point out some observations with the data. Also you might be right about a handful of countries like North Korea, but in the western world i'd trust some actual data before I trust the guesswork of a rights advocate.
/r/MensRights26/06/20 02:43 AM
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You actually didnt even tell the whole story. The women's team actually did get paid more than the men's team, but they complained that if they had the men's contract they would have gotten EVEN more. " According to a letter released Monday by U.S. Soccer President Carlos Cordeiro, the federation has paid out $34.1 million in salary and game bonuses to the women as opposed to $26.4 million paid to the men. Those figures do not include benefits received only by the women, like health care."
/r/MensRights25/06/20 06:42 PM
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some things in the results that stand out as questionable to me: US data, people at risk of having the following freedoms violated, by % of experts who feel the group is at risk: https://rightstracker.org/en/country/USA?as=hi&tab=atrisk Right to freedom from arbitrary arrest: Women/girls (7% of experts identified this group as being at risk of having this right violated), men/boys (0%) Right to freedom from death penalty: LGBTQIA (14%), men/boys (0%) Right to freedom from torture: women and girl…
/r/MensRights25/06/20 02:37 PM

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/r/MensRights24/06/20 06:58 PM

Many of the people who are being accused of sexual harassment or sexual assault have admitted to their innapropriate behavior. "False accusers destroys everything" is about the worst possible take on this issue. Sexual harassment in the gaming industry IS a real issue. False accusations are also an issue, but it's possible to acknowledge both without dismissing either.
/r/MensRights24/06/20 06:16 PM

Your post was removed based on rule 15: Mods may use their discretion to resolve any situation not explicitly covered in any other rules. Mod Note: this post was removed for being "fake outrage". There are plenty of real issues that men face and this is not one of them.
/r/MensRights24/06/20 06:00 PM
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Thank you for providing a link but allow me to fact check. The first stat in your link is buying power. I followed the source of that data for for the US it says: The current spending power gender gap in the United States, the largest in all of North America, is $1,561 in favor of men who have an average annual spending power of $39,940. American women currently have an average spending power of $38,379. This gap is expected to widen to $1,809 over the next decade, an increase of $248 (15.9%) ev…
/r/MensRights02/06/20 01:59 PM
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Women don't make 70-80% of all purchasing decisions, that stat is misleading. It comes from a "sheconomy" site that inflates the economic impact of women. I tried to find the source, the cited source denies the claim. The actual claim was something like "women contribute to 70% of all purchasing decisions" but most of these decisions were jointly decided by men and women, meaning men also contributed to about 70% of purchasing decisions.
/r/MensRights02/06/20 01:17 AM

Removed because headline is sensationalized and the story is much more nuanced. Post does not link directly to article so all nuance is lost.
/r/MensRights25/05/20 12:34 AM
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Most cases in the "he said she said" category are not dropped by police. Typically if there is an accusation that isn't proved false, the accusation actually fits the definition of a crime, and the alleged victim cooperates with authorities the accusation will lead to prosecution. here's the breakdown: (https://www.evawintl.org/Library/DocumentLibraryHandler.ashx?id=1223) Closed as informational report 17.9% Suspended/inactivated 28.6% Exceptionally cleared 17.9% Unfounded (baseless 8.5%, false …
/r/MensRights07/05/20 03:39 AM
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"Believe" implies that you should believe they're true. Why would you need to verify if you believe? As to your police example police generally do take accusations seriously but they don't blindly believe accusations. If an investigation doesn't come up with sufficient evidence the case does not move to prosecution. Most cases don't have sufficient evidence to move to prosecution and some people use that statistic to claim police don't take cases seriously. Here are some stats to consider: https…
/r/MensRights06/05/20 05:12 PM
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IRS joint filing does not apply because there is no calculation of the wage gap that credits a non-working wife as earning half of her husband's wages as her own wages. You're stretching the definition of wages. Besides, you missed my question, I asked for an authoritarian source on the wage gap that includes non-full time workers. The IRS is a data source not a wage gap calculation. If a woman doesn't work and doesn't receive public assistance, how does she survive. If women make 70 cents to th…
/r/MensRights02/05/20 10:58 PM
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Census data does not come from the IRS. Census data covers individual wages and family income seperately. There is nothing there that states the person earning the wage had to be the person working the hours. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. A contract is an agreement between two parties. The names of the parties are in the contract. What do you mean someone else can earn the wages without working the hours? What is the authoritarian source for the definition of wage gap? Every time …
/r/MensRights30/04/20 03:20 PM
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Signing bonus is a lot different than unemployment
/r/MensRights30/04/20 01:32 PM
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I'm not quite following what your argument is. What do you mean "it doesn't discount the "house wife"? The link i posted in the original post: Census Current Population Survey contains files specifically for full time workers. Someone who is taking care of a home would not be considered a full time worker.
/r/MensRights30/04/20 04:15 AM
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There are many people on this sub who don't understand the technical definitions involved and that's why I made this post. This post is for members of this sub not the general population
/r/MensRights29/04/20 12:11 PM
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The census bureau's yearly supplement doesn't have the granularity to compare types of jobs outside of very broad categories. As far as hours worked you can factor that out and find that pure hours not including overtime pay accounts for about 18% of the gap.
/r/MensRights29/04/20 12:10 PM
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If the gen pop can't be bothered with anything outside of memes and headlines they don't deserve to be part of the MRM. We need to have a higher standard than that. Stooping to the level of feminists is despicable to me
/r/MensRights29/04/20 12:03 PM
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The argument *should be over
/r/MensRights29/04/20 11:57 AM
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"There is a gap between men's median wages and women's median wages". If you say "the wage gap doesn't exist" and I point out those stats, you just lost the argument. I understand that "the wage gap" is misused to imply sexism but there are plenty who use it to just refer to the average earnings of all men vs all women, and that is where the stats come from
/r/MensRights29/04/20 11:56 AM
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When feminists claim "wage gap" means same work you can say "no the stats you're looking at are specifically NOT looking at the same work" and the argument is over. If you say, "sure it's same work but it's a lie!" You're actually just wrong. There are stats involved and they do not compare similar work.
/r/MensRights29/04/20 11:53 AM
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Yes feminists make a false claim by claiming wages means "same work". I understand this. I am not "in support" of this. MRAs make the false claim that no wage gap exists. Men do earn higher wages. It's not for equal work, so it's not accurate to blame discrimination, but there is a measurable gap. Being tricky with language to act like it's not there is just not correct. The proper way to address the myth is to explain why the gap exists, not to deny that there is a gap
/r/MensRights29/04/20 11:47 AM
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It's the definition used by the census bureau where the data comes from. It's also the widely accepted differentiation between wages and earnings. Google "what's the difference between wages and earnings" and let me know how far you have to dig to find the distinction you're making up. This is really like a feels over reals thing. You like the way your definition of earnings feels, but that definition is not how it's used in the data
/r/MensRights29/04/20 10:57 AM
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I'm not the one making up the definitions. I'm pulling them directly from the census bureau's data dictionary. Just Google "what's the difference between wages and earnings". nobody outside this sub draws the same distinction as you're describing above. We should be using the actual definitions not what we feel the definitions should be. As far as your last paragraph alimony is specifically included in earnings but not wages. Again not my definition
/r/MensRights29/04/20 10:45 AM
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Thank you!
/r/MensRights29/04/20 10:39 AM
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The definition of earnings is literally the opposite. Wages implies they worked for the money. Earnings implies the money came from both wages and non work. Earnings includes child support and alimony. Would you say that those are "worked for"?
/r/MensRights29/04/20 10:33 AM
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Since I looked it up in their data dictionary, i dunno. Edit: technically it goes into the earnings gap but specifically not the wage gap
/r/MensRights29/04/20 10:31 AM
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The part that is a lie is "for the same work". Women do get paid less than men, but they don't do the same work. Relabeling it to earnings doesn't make the "wage" gap disappear
/r/MensRights29/04/20 10:31 AM
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I hope you're right but try explaining to someone the difference between "wages" and "earnings" and i'm sure it'll give you heartburn.
/r/MensRights29/04/20 05:37 AM
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Judging from my interactions on this sub the past couple days it seems like we can't take ourselves seriously so why would anyone else. I don't see this movement growing in a good direction any time soon. I'm trying to be the change I want to see but it's incredibly frustrating to run into unapologetic ignorance on here when this used to be a place that prided itself on accuracy and statistics
/r/MensRights29/04/20 05:17 AM
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Depends how you define pay gap. If you look at average earnings of all full time employees there is a gap. It's explainable sure, but it does exist. there was a study that said the reason men get more money See the study says men make more money, but there's a reason. It doesn't say men don't make more money which is what "there is no pay gap" means
/r/MensRights29/04/20 05:06 AM
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Using "pay" caries no such suggestion as to the "why". The basic wage gap lie is that it fails to offer an explanation of why the gap exists, when perfectly reasonable explanations are out there. Arguing that the language is a lie is not the correct way to address the wage gap. By stating "earnings gap" it means that there is a difference in income because of the behaviour of the groups receiving it. "earnings gap" does not carry any insinuations about "behaviors" of groups. Earnings is literall…
/r/MensRights29/04/20 04:49 AM
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The problem is that you are referring to earnings in a way that includes non wage earnings, while non wage earnings are not factored into either feminist or MRA talking points. I'm using the agreed upon academic definition of "earnings" that is used by the primary source for the "wage gap" debate which is the US census bureau. If MRA or feminists talking points are using some other definition of earnings, they're using the wrong definition. Agreed with the second half of your statement, using ea…
/r/MensRights29/04/20 03:48 AM
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Never said there wasn't.
/r/MensRights29/04/20 03:46 AM
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Sorry but personal threats aren't allowed on here so enjoy your timeout.
/r/MensRights28/04/20 06:53 PM
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Are you threatening me?
/r/MensRights28/04/20 06:50 PM
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I don't have a "target" but if you present a stat that does not match the stats I have seen I need a source. If you provide a source I can modify my view. If you dont' provide a source I'll assume you made up your stat. We're watching you for some time kid. The hell does that mean
/r/MensRights28/04/20 06:48 PM
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Actually the worked hours difference together with the extra hours worked make about 85% of the difference. Did you or did you not pull this out of nowhere?
/r/MensRights28/04/20 06:42 PM
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stop freaking out because i called you out on your bullshit stat.
/r/MensRights28/04/20 06:38 PM
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All I did was ask for a source. When you present a statistic, I expect a source. It's not asking a lot it's it? Otherwise we're no better than feminists for creating false narratives out of thin air
/r/MensRights28/04/20 06:20 PM
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It's not pedantic to understand the difference between "wages" and "earnings" in the context of the wage gap, especially if you're going to use the "Its not a wage gap it's an earnings gap" argument. If you say that and don't know the difference you're going to be easily dismissed. Why I made this post is so that when MRAs argue with feminists they come from an educated and technically correct perspective rather than knowing the truth about the wage gap but not having the proper language to desc…
/r/MensRights28/04/20 05:49 PM
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Yes exactly right
/r/MensRights28/04/20 05:40 PM
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No you need to read my post. I'm referencing the MRA claim that the wage gap doesn't exist at all
/r/MensRights28/04/20 05:33 PM
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My topic was to investigate the validity of the following statement there is no wage gap, only an earnings gap I stated this clearly with the first sentence of my post.
/r/MensRights28/04/20 05:32 PM
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That's exactly my whole point! This post is about why it's wrong to say "the wage gap doesn't exist" and instead you should say "this is why there's a wage gap"
/r/MensRights28/04/20 05:30 PM
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The only difference between wages and earnings is the type of income that gets counted. Earnings counts investments, child support, rent received, etc. Wages do not. It has nothing to do with hours worked. Let me clarify that hours worked EXPLAINS WHY THE GAP EXISTS. but doesn't disprove that there IS a gap
/r/MensRights28/04/20 05:23 PM
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The term "Wages" is a subset of earnings. You can compare the average wages across a population without factoring out hours worked or industry. Example: 10 Male doctors and 10 female doctors. The females are all general practitioners while the men decided to specialize. The men average 200k/ yr and the women avg 150k. Let's say the men hold investings and earn dividends of 50k per year. The women earn child support worth 50k per year. The earnings gap is 200k/250k (wages+ non wage earnings) = 80…
/r/MensRights28/04/20 05:19 PM
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Let me put it this way. Men do deserve to get paid more because of the career choices they make. This means men deserve higher "wages". Saying that men "earn" more but have the same wages is not correct. I have heard this argument a thousand times on this sub including the top comment on this post!
/r/MensRights28/04/20 05:13 PM
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I'm not denying theres obvious reasons for the gap, this post is more to define the terminology that is used when describing the gap. Too much merit is put into the "earnings vs wages" argument, the difference between the two does not explain the gap.
/r/MensRights28/04/20 04:58 PM
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What you're describing is not a difference in earnings vs wages so how is framing it in that way useful? It's counterproductive because it's specifically not focusing on the difference in choices but in the difference in non- wage earnings. The right way to frame it is that there is both a wage gap and an earnings gap but they can be explained by job choices, hours worked, and a number of other factors
/r/MensRights28/04/20 03:34 PM
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"There's no wage gap, only an earnings gap" implies that factoring out non-work income reduces the gap to 0. Non-work income sources are not the biggest factors in the wage gap though, so that is likely a bad insinuation. The difference in "wage gap" and "earnings gap" isn't based on industry or hours worked but how many sources of income are included. Factoring out hours worked and job choice reduce the gap, but those are not factored out in either an earnings gap nor a wage gap. Edit: not sure…
/r/MensRights28/04/20 03:11 PM
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You're missing the point. I agree with most of what youre saying but the bottom line is that you made a claim: Actually the worked hours difference together with the extra hours worked make about 85% of the difference. The rest is seniority (women often take time off for health or child rearing and lose seniority bonuses) and of course dangerous jobs bonuses. This claim is wrong. You dont mention job choice at all only hours. Job choice is a bigger factor than hours.
/r/MensRights28/04/20 03:04 PM
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Sorry another poster said it was misleading. Mathematical average is synonymous with mean. This whole mean vs median discussion is really distracting the main point though which is hours worked only accounts for a small percentage of the wage gap ( whether you use mean or median)
/r/MensRights28/04/20 11:11 AM
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Ok so mean is listed there as not only the most common meaning of average so how is it misleading to present that number as the average?
/r/MensRights28/04/20 01:46 AM
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Uh Ive been saying that this whole time? Job choices are a much bigger factor than hours worked. You're the one spouting that you can explain 85% of the gap just by looking at hours without factoring in other choices.
/r/MensRights27/04/20 07:04 PM
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I just posted the earnings numbers from cps. 77% is income or "earnings". Technically it's wages plus things like medical insurance. I literally posted side by side full time only vs all workers...
/r/MensRights27/04/20 06:48 PM
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The so called WAGE GAP takes into account the TOTAL MONEY the genders make! Wrong, the wage gap is a comparison of the average yearly earnings of full time working women vs full time working men. If you include part time work the wage gap goes from 76% to 70% ​ ||Full time mean|All workers mean| |:-|:-|:-| |Men|$78730|$68610| |Women|$59655|$48112| |Ratio|75.8c/$1.00|70.1c/$1.00| Census bureau CPS 2018 linked above. When we consider Part time hours as 1/2 of Full time hours and we consider Extra …
/r/MensRights27/04/20 06:44 PM
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You're looking at the average hours worked for all workers (full time + part time) but the wage gap stats we're looking at are only for full time (35+ hour workers). Among full time workers men work 43.5 hrs/week compared to 41.1 for women. Your math is all based on the wrong numbers. Also, "extra hours pay double" is not at all true for most jobs. I don't know any jobs that pay extra for under 40 hours per week and if overtime is awarded (it often isn't for salaried positions) then it's usually…
/r/MensRights27/04/20 06:29 PM
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You are making some claims that require sources. If you cannot provide them I will not be convinced. I already agree that the data is incomplete, but there are a lot more factors than hours worked that go into it's incompleteness (such as industry of work). These other factors make up a large percentage of the gap as well, but you're acting like hours worked is the primary factor. Men choose much more lucrative career paths, that's more of a factor than hours. Until you provide sources this rema…
/r/MensRights27/04/20 06:08 PM
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Which issues am i making seem larger than they are?
/r/MensRights27/04/20 06:03 PM
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Wait so you're saying that the biggest causings of the earnings gap is because women choose to have less work after familial changes, a statistic that has been steadily lowering since the feminist movement in the '70s? Yes? Not sure why you're lecturing me like I'm a feminist. I understand the pay gap and what it means and how it's misused.
/r/MensRights27/04/20 05:57 PM
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The census bureau and bureau of labor statistics are wrong and your sources which you have not provided are right and i'm the one trolling? Ok.
/r/MensRights27/04/20 05:51 PM
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That doesn't match the numbers from my sources, please provide yours and I'll be happy to review them.
/r/MensRights27/04/20 05:44 PM
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"bigger than it actually is" No, I'm presenting EXACTLY what the average gap is. If i was talking about the median gap and presenting the percentage for mean then I'd be presenting a bigger gap than what "it" actually was, but I never said I was using the median, I SPECIFICALLY said i was using "average". So no I do not believe this is misleading. Whether or not we should be using mean is a different discussion. I can entertain arguments for why median is a better metric, sure. But to claim that…
/r/MensRights27/04/20 05:41 PM
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I'm not insisting on anything. I presented the mean which is the average and I described it as such. If you'd like to look at the median yes it's a different number. I did not claim to be presenting the median. Yes the mean is skewed by high earners. I never claimed otherwise. Most high earners are men. Is that an insignificant fact? I do not believe so. Do i believe you can explain it? yes. Both the mean and median are important numbers to examine.
/r/MensRights27/04/20 05:22 PM
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"mean" and "average" are synonyms. If I were to say "average" while refering to the median I would not be accurate. I understand the shortcomings of the mean, but "by my own sources" the average or mean is 76%. To say that "median" better represents the average than the mean is just nonsense. The mean is the average.
/r/MensRights27/04/20 05:09 PM
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Yeah, just trying to figure out exactly what the numbers are accounting for.
/r/MensRights27/04/20 04:03 PM
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Someone pointed out that the census bureau's definition of income might include non wage earnings so I'm looking into it. So my previous post might be incorrect. https://www.census.gov/topics/income-poverty/income/about.html
/r/MensRights27/04/20 03:56 PM
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https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/income-poverty/cps-pinc/pinc-01.2018.html Here is the current population survey data by the US census bureau. Compare "mean income" for all males working full time to all females working full time and you'll get 80,399 vs 60,986. A gap of 75.854 or about 76 cents per dollar.
/r/MensRights27/04/20 03:46 PM
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it's 76 cents if you compare full time working women's average yearly wages to full time working men's. https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/income-poverty/cps-pinc/pinc-01.2018.html If you factor out hours worked, industry, specialization, experience, willingness to relocate, willingness to be on call, varying levels of benefits, etc. then you start to get closer to 98 cents, but these things are almost never all accounted for.
/r/MensRights27/04/20 03:42 PM
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Not sure if you're being sarcastic but this is a terrible comparison for a lot of reasons. The wage gap is a measure of yearly wages, not net worth. Zuckerbergs worth is mostly due to "earnings" which are different than "wages". If the wage gap accounted for net worth it would indeed be much wider, but it only accounts for wages.
/r/MensRights27/04/20 03:40 PM
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Yeah but the 77% wage gap comparison only compares full time working women with full time working men. The definition for full time workers is 35+ hours. Among full time workers women work on average 41.1 hours vs. 43.5 hours for full time working men. By % of mens hours full time working women work 94.5%. The hours worked gap accounts for about 18% of the total wage gap or about 4.43 cents of the total 24 cent gap. Source: https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat22.htm Source on 77 wage gap: https://www.…
/r/MensRights27/04/20 03:37 PM
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No, "earnings" in this context means money earned from both income and non-income sources such as investments. Wages are strictly money gained from income. So it is a wage gap not an earnings gap. Women do make different choices that lead to different wages. Stop misusing terminology.
/r/MensRights27/04/20 03:32 PM
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I only removed the comment, the post is still up. The language in my comment is just the default mod message
/r/MensRights26/04/20 01:26 AM
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Your post was removed because it broke the crosslinking rules: Linking to a comment thread in which you are involved encourages brigading and is not allowed.
/r/MensRights26/04/20 12:25 AM
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A feminist subreddit about liberating men from the shackles of their toxic masculinity
/r/MensRights16/04/20 05:56 PM
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referring to menslib as their own space lol
/r/MensRights16/04/20 01:37 PM
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Even if you account for field of work men still average higher wages because they work more overtime, are more likely to specialize, are more willing to relocate for work, etc. The wage gap exists for a reason. "There is no wage gap" is just wrong.
/r/MensRights14/04/20 11:15 AM
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I feel like people on this sub don't understand the difference between earnings and wages and just parrot this "the wage gap is actual an earnings gap" thing without understanding what it means. Wages are what people earn from working and earnings are what people earn from non work things like investing. There is both a wage gap and an earnings gap, but the oft quoted "women earn 77 cents for every dollar a man earns" is refering to average wages of all full time working women vs all full time w…
/r/MensRights13/04/20 05:42 PM
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Depends what you mean by wage gap. Full time working (35hrs +) women have lower yearly wages than full time working men not accounting for hours worked, field of work, experience, or really any other important factor. So yes there is a wage gap, it's just easily explainable. "there isn't a wage gap" is not technically accurate and is also not going to convince anyone to see your side.
/r/MensRights13/04/20 05:12 PM
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Same spending power without needing to hold the same level of job or work the same number of hours? That doesn't sound like a negative impact to me. The only people who call the wage gap a negative impact to women don't understand what the wage gap means. I would say the childcare gap being a negative impact to women is also up for argument. A disproportionate amount of childcare is a powerful tool in divorce proceedings where the primary caretaker almost always has priority for maintaining the …
/r/MensRights13/04/20 05:08 PM
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This post is filled with straw man arguments. Society does have different expectations for men and women and men are typically expected to provide money/ food, but women are expected to provide care. That's not to mention that many feminists vehemently oppose these same social expectations you're attributing to them. This all or nothing type thinking is not accurate
/r/MensRights15/03/20 12:17 AM
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Show me where the source is for 90% divorce cases are awarded to mothers. Edit: "asking for sources is too often a way to derail" sounds like something a feminist would say
/r/MensRights12/03/20 06:57 PM
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If it's a rant, no need to throw up stats that may or may not be accurate. Just fact checking the first one (90% custody) it does not seem to be accurate.
/r/MensRights12/03/20 06:05 PM

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/r/MensRights12/03/20 05:59 PM
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Why pile on the downvotes here? Are we no longer a subreddit that cares about accurate data from reliable sources?
/r/MensRights12/03/20 04:54 PM
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Please provide sources when you throw around statistics. Latest data I can find for living arrangements is from 2019 Current Population Survey from the census bureau which puts "father only" custodial situations at 17% of single family homes. This is not the same statistic as "divorced fathers getting custody", but I cannot find any good data on that. https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/families/children.html
/r/MensRights12/03/20 03:46 PM
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https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/income-poverty/cps-pinc/pinc-01.2017.html#par_textimage_14 it's posted like 3 other places in this thread. You are the one making an assertion: It's probably going to be pretty close to 50% But you can't be bothered to find out for yourself. Well now you have the link.
/r/MensRights09/03/20 01:09 AM
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Bls gets a lot of data from the cps.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/20 05:21 PM
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I just checked it's 76c for 2018 for mean earnings and yes for just full time work. 82.6 cents is median. Here is the data look for yourself: https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/income-poverty/cps-pinc/pinc-01.2018.html For all workers the average is 70c per dollar. And please stop throwing around stats that you aren't sure about
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/20 03:23 PM
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77 cents per dollar is not a colloquialism it's literally the average earnings for full time year round working women vs the average earnings for year round full time working men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/20 02:32 AM
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I'm saying now it's wrong. The figures are not accurate. The OP took a stat (average earnings for full time year round employees) and put it in the title as "total earnings". But even if the numbers were correct it's still misleading, because it would be total earnings for full time year round employees compared to hours worked for all employees, including seasonal and part time employees. That's not an apples to apples comparison. It's both wrong and misleading
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/20 05:41 AM
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You've lost me. Where does average compensation come into the title? "In 2017, men worked 56% of all hours and earned 56% of all income. Women worked 44% of all hours and earned 44% of all income." I see percentages of totals only. No averages. Are you claiming that "all" and "total" are not synonymous in this context? That the title could be rewritten as "In 2017, men worked 56% of total hours worked and earned 56% of total income earned. Women worked 44% of total hours worked and earned 44% of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/20 05:25 AM
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Yes but both women and men who work part time make much less than men and women who work full time, so the fact that there are twice as many part time working women than men and more full time working men will skew the numbers
/r/MensRights07/03/20 01:52 AM
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It's misleading because it's not comparing total hours to total compensation. It's comparing total hours to average compensation. Here is an example of why this is bad. Let's say there are 10 men and 1 woman at a company. The woman makes $10 per hour and the men make $100. They all work 40 hrs per week. The total hours worked for men is 400 compared to 40 for women. The average earnings for men was $4000/wk compared to $400/wk for women. According to the way the OP did the math, there is no wage…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/20 06:05 PM
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Unfortunately there are plenty of uneducated people here and this post is for them.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 04:47 PM
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I'm not pushing a narrative im reporting facts. Yes I already said somewhere else the difference in hours worked.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 01:42 PM
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You have links to all the plots why don't you show me what you're trying to say instead of speculating Edit: Since you can't be bothered to do it yourself: Full time mean All workers mean Men $78730 $68610 Women $59655 $48112 Ratio 75.8c/$1.00 70.1c/$1.00 If you include part time workers the wage gap goes from 76 cents per dollar to 70 cents per dollar.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 01:35 PM
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I don't disagree with any of that, I'm just saying his numbers and methodology are wrong. It's important to me to get the facts exactly right, not just the overall sentiment. For instance when you say men work 27% more hours without including the difference in the number of Male workers vs female workers, you're exaggerating the gap. Full time working men only work 6% more than full time working women. Or when you compare the hours worked gap of all workers including part time to the earnings ga…
/r/MensRights06/03/20 06:45 AM
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First off "statistically significant" is a phrase that has a defined meaning having to do with the number of samples in a set of data, so you're wrong right off the bat because you're using this phrase incorrectly. Statistically significant has nothing to do with the percent difference between two stats. Secondly, ​ Mean income - Full time workers Mean Income - All workers Total 70,616 58,959 If you include part time workers, average income drops 16.5%. Is that significant enough for you? Thirdl…
/r/MensRights06/03/20 06:06 AM
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Just the data set I had to work with on the census.gov website
/r/MensRights06/03/20 05:35 AM
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Correlation =/= causation. Now you're presenting me with yet another DIFFERENT statistic. Before we were comparing total aggregate hours, but now the average weekly hours is the stat of choice? You do know that's the not same stat you were using before right? We can look at average weekly hours worked in the US and it's not within 2% of the hourly wage ratio. Not only that but you're not correct when you say +/-2% for the data you linked. The difference is as high as 7% for the two stats you pic…
/r/MensRights06/03/20 04:58 AM
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the "CFOI methodology" that you're using is not some accepted standard and honestly i didnt understand what you were doing until just now. You're using statistics that include a different number of men and women, and driving them down to a number that really should be average per man or per women. It's extermely misleading. The problem is the wage gap is the average for women and average for men. Women on average earn 77c for every dollar a man earns. Your numbers are aggregate (and not even tru…
/r/MensRights06/03/20 04:13 AM
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Apology accepted and thank you, very rare to get that on here. I was using the data from CPS, yes it did exclude agricultural.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 04:06 AM
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"When the ratio is calculated for all men and women who are paid wages or salaries [...] the measure is often called the raw gender wage gap." (emphasis added) the part you [...]ed out or for all wage and salary earners who work full-time and year-round are you serious? You dont think that bit is relevant to this discussion? how dishonest is this?
/r/MensRights06/03/20 03:13 AM
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The point stands that 77 cents per dollar is the average for full time workers and not total earned by all workers as you are suggesting.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 02:55 AM
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According to the CPS https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/income-poverty/cps-pinc/pinc-01.2017.html#par_textimage_14 Using 2017 data: ​ ||Total full time workers|Median Earnings|Mean Earnings| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |Male|66,515K|55,502|78,730| |Female|49,244K|45,831|59,655| Full time women on average (mean) earn 59,655 for ever 78,730 a man earns or 75.7 cents on the dollar If you include ALL women: ​ ​ ||workers|Mean income| |:-|:-|:-| |Male|88069K|68,610| |Female|78,358K|48,112| Among a…
/r/MensRights06/03/20 02:20 AM
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Let's do it your way. Here is the 2017 data for all hours worked. ​ # of workers Mean income Total male 88,069K 68,610 6,042,414,100,000 female 78,359K 48,112 3,770,008,208,000 Expressed in terms of total dollars earned for total hours worked women earned 62 cents for every male dollar Now I've shown you that when you use mean hours worked you get ~77 the number YOU yourself chose. When you use total hours worked you get 62 cents.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 02:13 AM
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"The total hours worked figures are annual average estimates of total at work multiplied by average hours for civilians, 16 years of age and older, from the CPS, 2018." OK here is the CPS 2017 data: https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/income-poverty/cps-pinc/pinc-01.2017.html#par_textimage_14 ​ ​ Total full time workers Median Earnings Mean Earnings Male 66,515K 55,502 78,730 Female 49,244K 45,831 59,655 Women on average earn 59,655 for every 78,730 that men earn. That means wome…
/r/MensRights06/03/20 01:41 AM
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The labor force is 157M people not 250M. There are 130 M full time workers and 27 M part time workers. Part time workers make up over 20% of the work force and part time work is 63% female. What do you mean that's not statistically significant?
/r/MensRights06/03/20 01:16 AM
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You're wrong, "muh wage gap" is the average earnings by full time workers of each gender. It's the dollars paid out divided by the number of workers of each gender in the category of "full time" (>35 hrs/week). I don't know how i'm "giving it too much credit" i'm just saying what it is. ​ > The added 77¢/$1 part is calculated from the BLS CFOI data. It's calculated from BLS CFOI data on FULL TIME EMPLOYEES.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 12:18 AM
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Yeah, that's fine if you're using comparable data sets and want to make a statement like that. The problem is you can't use one number (earnings) from one data set (full time workers) and compare it to a different number (hours) from a different data set (all workers).
/r/MensRights06/03/20 12:11 AM
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Post title is misleading. Men work 56% of total hours but also there are more total men in the labor force and more men that are full time workers than women. The wage gap doesnt compare total earnings, it's average earnings. Men earn more because there are both more men working and they work more hours on average (and a number of other factors). Also the earnings statistic is only comparing full time workers, while the total hours statistic includes all men and women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/20 12:09 AM
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We're using a statistic (women earn 77c for every $1 a man earns) which ONLY includes full time workers and comparing it to a different statistic (men work 56% of total hours) which includes both full time and part time workers. If you want to compare these two you either have to compare the hours full time working women work compared to full time working men, or you need to compare the earnings of all women to all men. Mixing and matching the two data sets is misleading. If you include the earn…
/r/MensRights06/03/20 12:06 AM
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If you include part time workers as part of the wage gap then women earn much less than 77 cents on the dollar. You're statistics would cause the "wage gap" to grow by a lot. As someone who often tries to explain why the wage gap doesn't exist for comparable jobs, you're going the opposite direction.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 12:03 AM
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"full time working women earn 77 cents for every dollar a man earns" the above statement is true. There are reasons that explain why it exists, but it's not a lie. "women earn 77 cents for the same job as men" < that statement is a lie.
/r/MensRights06/03/20 12:01 AM
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It's not just hours worked that causes the gap. Men work more lucrative professions, there's an exponential benefit for overtime, men commute further, work more on-call jobs, are more willing to relocate for work, retire later. This post is wayyy oversimplifying the gap. Also men don't work 46 hours per week on average. it's 43.5 among full time workers and 41.1 for women not 38.
/r/MensRights05/03/20 11:59 PM
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The data is not wrong, the context added is misleading. The "wage gap" states that women who work full time (35hrs +) earn 77 cents for every 1 dollar a man earns. Comparing the total hours worked by men to the total hours worked by women is misleading because there are more men that work full time than women. According to the data you linked men worked 161,535,000 hours compared to 124,442,000 for women in 2017, but this is a comparison of all workers, not just full time.
/r/MensRights05/03/20 11:41 PM
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100% agree
/r/MensRights05/03/20 11:15 PM
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If the wage gap only compares the earnings of full-time workers then how can it account for anything to do with part-time workers? It doesn't account for anything to do with part time workers, and why should it? Part time work is often less skilled and requires less education. It's not fair to compare part time workers to full time.
/r/MensRights05/03/20 10:56 PM
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I'm cooking the books? You're attemting to compare two different data sets. full time working women earn .77 for every $1 a man earns. Full time working men work 6% more than full time working women. These numbers are apples to apples comparisons. compare that to the statement you're trying to make: full time working women earn .77 for every $1 a man earns. Among all workers men work 12% more than women. Do you see how the second statement is misleading? it's not the same dataset. also whats wit…
/r/MensRights05/03/20 10:49 PM
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In the context of the wage gap, which compare earnings of full time working men to the earnings of full time working women, any statistics about part time workers is irrelevant. The wage gap essentially already accounts for the fact that of course full time workers earn more than part time workers.
/r/MensRights05/03/20 10:37 PM
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That's irrelevant. The wage gap only compares full time workers
/r/MensRights05/03/20 10:24 PM
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That's including part time workers. The wage gap excludes part time workers so it's incorrect to include them in this discussion.
/r/MensRights05/03/20 10:22 PM
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It would be if the title was accurate. However among full time workers men work 43.5 hrs/week compared to women's 41.1. That's only ~6% more. https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat22.htm
/r/MensRights05/03/20 08:57 PM
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Hate to say this but this chart is a bit misleading, and the title is inaccurate. (using 2019 data below, but shouldnt be too different) Bottom line: hours worked only explains part of the wage gap. The difference between "all income" earned between men and women isn't 56 to 44 as the title suggests. The full time labor force in the USA is 56% male and that is what the number on the chart is representing. That number does NOT account for differences in average hours worked. The fact that men wor…
/r/MensRights05/03/20 08:06 PM
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Talk about moving the goalposts. "Conments generalizing about woman are banned, LIAR" provides an example "NOT THAT KIND OF GENERALIZING ABOUT WOMEN" Also: "No is not, most people men and women are batshit crazy" that's both subjective and a generalization
/r/MensRights18/01/20 03:03 PM
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It's a compliment that generalizes women. It's saying "most women are 'bat shit crazy' but this one is a rare exception." That's the equivalent of saying "Hey, a male who doesn't rape women. That's a nice find." You're literally doing the same thing you're blaming feminists for.
/r/MensRights18/01/20 07:19 AM
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How about this one three comments down: "Hey, a female who isn't bat shit crazy. That's a nice find." Yeah didnt have to look very hard.
/r/MensRights18/01/20 02:49 AM
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This is why we need to make sure men's rights doesnt just turn into "women are bad" "toxic femininity". Unfortunately I see way too much of that on here these days.
/r/MensRights17/01/20 06:12 PM
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In this context you're not the one who looks good.
/r/MensRights16/01/20 05:07 PM
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Source?
/r/MensRights16/01/20 05:04 PM
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Wow, so it's an advice column? You know the questions in those are often fabricated to be controversial or over the top? No wonder the OP didnt link the 'article'. Can't believe that this kind of stuff gets upvoted on here.
/r/MensRights16/01/20 05:44 AM
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?
/r/MensRights16/01/20 05:08 AM
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r/mensrights where we upvote pictures of headlines without a link to the article. EDIT: downvotes why? This post literally links to a JPEG image of just the headline. If you want to find out that the actual story is an anonymous write-in to an advice column (this type of write in is often faked), you have to google that yourself. This shows a clear lack of interest in context and substance to me.
/r/MensRights16/01/20 04:49 AM
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Imagine if r/feminism was just filled with quotes from random no name misogynists. Would you say that's a legitimate proof of suffering for women?
/r/MensRights14/01/20 02:52 PM
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Reporting morons is censorship! /s Reporting what you consider to be a "genuine moron" is the same as "declaring what is legitimate discussion". Don't be a hypocrite
/r/MensRights13/01/20 07:26 PM
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I'm advocating for order. Without moderation subs this size are easily hijacked by people acting in bad faith. You are likening moderation to censorship in the same way people are likening "men suck" Facebook posts to oppression. These aren't ideas being censored, it's irrelevant distracting nonsense being removed from a forum it wasn't meant for.
/r/MensRights13/01/20 07:11 PM
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If you want tumblrinaction type posts there's a forum for that.
/r/MensRights13/01/20 06:59 PM
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Things don't make the front page if people aren't upvoting them in new. I don't disagree that most users aren't super active but there seems to be a majority that believes the purpose of this sub is to just complain about minor bullshit
/r/MensRights13/01/20 05:35 PM
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If I wanted to farm karma on r/mensrights I could easily create a fake online profile and make anti-male statements, blur out the profile and post them to this forum. That's like the definition of trolling. You think all these quotes are legit? And even if they are these are not mainstream views. If you think they are you're living in a bubble. And how exactly are these people being "addressed"? The whole point of these types of posts is to serve as proof that men are hated so the members on her…
/r/MensRights13/01/20 05:27 PM
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No. This forum often serves as the face of the mens rights movement. This used to be a place I was comfortable directing people who were interested in learning about the movement. Now this forum is more of an embarrasment, and I'd never tell people that this is representative of what the MRM is about. What shows up on the front page is important. If you check my history I have posted plenty of the type of material I'd like to see. Way to judge without even glancing at my profile. Also, this isn'…
/r/MensRights13/01/20 04:58 PM
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Giving a platform to 18 year old misandrists is not what I think this subreddit should focus on. It actually diminishes the credibility of the movement, but I guess raging feels good, so maybe that's what you want? Why can't you just go to r/tumblrinaction for that?
/r/MensRights12/01/20 04:35 AM
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Is this /r/mensrights or r/TumblrInAction? I swear 30% of the posts on here are tweets or facebook posts from unknown sources. Do we want to advance mens rights or just get rageboners? There isn't even a source here.
/r/MensRights11/01/20 04:40 PM
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"Less inaccurate" is a terrible standard to hold ourselves to
/r/MensRights08/11/19 06:17 PM
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Don't forget one of their sidebar posts https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/9hraly/fact_checking_false_rape_accusations_and_why_we/ is filled with cherry picked data, misinterpretations of definitions, and just straight lies as I outlined here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/c81qa0/fact_checking_fact_checking_false_rape/ . There isn't any bias in pointing at the the things written in their post do not even match their own cited sources, yet Mens Lib feels this post is deservi…
/r/MensRights16/10/19 07:28 PM
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Misandry: Raped: Female on male rape wasn't even defined as rape until very recently. Prison rape is often not included in rape statistics. Murdered: Perpetrators who kill men receive less jail time than those who kill women. Men are much more likely to be killed by strangers than women. Hindered: Women have a massive advantage in STEM college admissions, often accepted at 2-3 times the rate of men. Women also have an advantage in hiring and being fast tracked in these fields. Sexualized: Men ar…
/r/MensRights06/10/19 12:41 PM
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Proceeding to prosecution means that the police make an arrest and charge someone with a crime. The case is then passed from the police to the state attorney's office. From there they decide how to procede: plea deals, dropping the case for various reasons including victim non-participation, going to trial are all on the table. Not sure which country you're from but the UK has essentially the same operating procedure with the Crown Prosecution Service. The judge does not decide whether the case …
/r/MensRights15/09/19 08:29 PM
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Totally agree with you. even more dubious than assuming all convictions are accurate is assuming all reported cases except those classified as false reports should end in convictions, which is essentially what the original infographic is saying
/r/MensRights15/09/19 05:38 AM
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My bad, but the point stands
/r/MensRights15/09/19 02:18 AM
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In the link I posted in my comment there is a chart of case dispositions of cases that make it to prosecution. 7.9% of the cases that made it to prosecution went to trial. 5.9% were guilty convictions and 2% were found not guilty. Of the cases that went to trial 3x more ended in guilty convictions than not guilty. This data is the largest sample set ever studied in the u.s. Edit: also while I agree the problem is with the enliven project, you have accepted their incorrect nomenclature in your pr…
/r/MensRights14/09/19 03:47 PM
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Sorry to nitpick but labeling all the "Reported" and "Faced Trial" cases as "Inconclusive" is a big oversimplification. Many of the cases that don't proceed from the reporting stage to the trial stage are because the accusation does not meet the standards of a crime (neither a false accusation, nor a true account of rape). Here is a more detailed breakdown of the reasons cases did not proceed in the US: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/c6p1kk/case_outcomes_damning_evidence_against_cu…
/r/MensRights14/09/19 06:12 AM
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I'm not arguing that alimony is never a fair solution. Just saying it's a system that is often abused and hardly ever implemented in a way that is fair. In your parents situation they have assets that would be split (house, savings, etc.), they're close to retirement age (dunno why you say a decade off), they have a pension that would be split, and according to you your mom would also get her own stipend? You and your siblings are independent so your mom is not currently doing child care. So if …
/r/MensRights05/09/19 04:33 PM
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My point is that alimony often forces men to work past the age they were planning on retiring. I don't know how things work in the Netherlands and that piece of information was not in your original message. In the us people have to save for retirement. Retirement age people should have enough savings to live off of. In a divorce those savings are split and pensions are usually counted as an asset that also gets split (so does not count as alimony). Alimony is when a man is forced to keep working…
/r/MensRights05/09/19 04:14 PM
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Most people don't have a pension. Splitting a pension is not the same as alimony
/r/MensRights05/09/19 04:05 PM
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Splitting assets in divorce is one thing, but take your parents situation: your father is probably in a position to retire. If he's forced to pay alimony now he can't retire. How does the court get to decide how much longer he has to work/ how much more money your mother deserves after the divorce? There are clear problems implementing alimony payments there. Not saying it's never a fair option, but very often it's not.
/r/MensRights05/09/19 03:42 PM
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Not to discount this because it's a hugely important issue, but isn't accidental death the leading killer of men between 15 and 45?
/r/MensRights04/08/19 12:55 AM
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I am not ready to admit that my reading is wrong. The study says there were two charged with perverting the course of justice and the response you got from the author says none were. That is a clear inconsistency with the report. Further, the report itself gives several examples of reasons for false allegations. According to the report, the majority of explanations fall into two categories, "revenge" and "cover up". Among the revenge category, all of the examples name a suspect. Among the "cover…
/r/MensRights24/07/19 03:45 PM
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I appreciate you taking the time to look into this. I still disagree, especially since the report clearly states 2 were charged with perverting the course of justice and the response you got says none were.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 03:15 PM
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Most reports on this subject are undertaken for the sake of decreasing the attrition rate of rape accusations. This report clearly has that purpose. Even so, the data contained in this report I find unbiased and valuable, even if the authors are not.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 03:13 PM
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Not to sound like a skeptic, but I don't see that reflected in the data. I count all 216 False Allegation cases were attritioned during the police stage, therefore none of them went on to the CPS stage. That means no one (of the accused) was charged by the police after the investigation revealed the allegation was false (which makes sense, why would they be charged if the allegation was false?) I also do not find the authors of this report to be unbiased. It's clear that the purpose of this repo…
/r/MensRights24/07/19 02:51 PM
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also as to your example, it's important to recognize that the police and the CPS are two seperate independent agencies. Once the charges have been laid the case is in the hands of the cps, not the police. The police don't have control over whether the case gets dropped or reclassified at that point, they've essentially passed the ball to the cps. If a case had charges laid it wasn't classified as a false report (those are two mutually exclusive police outcomes). Once charges have been laid if ne…
/r/MensRights24/07/19 02:00 PM
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Also from the BHO study: "Eight per cent of re p o rted cases in the sample were designated false by the police." It is a police designation
/r/MensRights24/07/19 12:49 PM
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You're incorrect, not every named suspect generates an advice file. The police felt an arrest was not warranted in 33 of the cases so no advice file was generated. I don't know if this will help but please check out this post for the US case disposition statistics. Maybe that will help clear up some of these questions. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/c6p1kk/case_outcomes_damning_evidence_against_current/
/r/MensRights24/07/19 11:59 AM
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Just because the complainant is known doesn't mean they're named as a suspect. You admit two were charged with perverting the course of justice, that means at least two were named as suspects, at least two were arrested, at least two had advice files generated. Also your definition of detected is a misquote. The study says "The detected cases that are proceeded with then appear under CPS prosecution" not that detected cases always proceed to prosecution Lastly, false accusation is a police desig…
/r/MensRights24/07/19 10:56 AM
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Look at appendix 5 of the bho study. This appendix has the attrition stage of each case. These categories are mutually exclusive (add the numbers up, every case is represented once). If a case is attritioned during the police stage it does not go to the prosecution stage (cps). Some cases are then attritioned before trial, and some at trial. Finally some cases are not attritioned and lead to convictions. You'll notice that the police categorization of "false accusation" is an attrition condition…
/r/MensRights23/07/19 01:09 PM
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Yeah you're not understanding these definitions. "False accusation" in the context of the bho study is a police classification that is mutually exclusive from cases that proceed to prosecution (against the accused). In your example the case would be classified as "cleared by arrest" by the police, not "false accusation". The police would not reclassify the case later. After the police clear a case they are finished with it.
/r/MensRights23/07/19 12:43 PM
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u/lonelyBicycle ?
/r/MensRights22/07/19 07:10 PM
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Cases labeled as "False Accusations" mean a crime was committed by the accuser, and no crime was committed by the person accused. It doesn't matter if the case is a "rape case", the outcome is that the accuser or "complainant" was found by police to have committed the crime of "perverting the course of justice". The BHO report clearly states that the charges filed in the false accusation designated cases were charges filed against the complainant. It would make no sense for the police to file ch…
/r/MensRights22/07/19 03:21 PM
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I'm really not sure what you're trying to say in the second half of this comment. I realize that all the cases in this report were accusations of rape. 216 were labeled as false allegations. 2 of those cases clearly led to charges against the accuser. The BHO study clearly states that these charges were: "being laid against the complainant for perverting the course of justice" Complainant means the person making the complaint, i.e. the accuser. 2 complainants were charged with the crime of perve…
/r/MensRights22/07/19 03:16 PM
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No need to apologize, I never mind re-examining good data. The BHO report uses language that is ambiguous so it's not surprising there is confusion. To be clear though, if an accuser does not name a suspect, the label for that case is not "false accusation" the label is "Undetected: Offender not identified". If you look in appendix 5 of the BHO report it contains the full breakdown of case outcomes. Offender not identified was the case outcome in 234 of 2288 total cases, but it is a mutually exc…
/r/MensRights22/07/19 02:48 PM
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I said I looked into them, there's nothing to read. You'd know that if you looked into them. I did provide a link. It's in its own comment. You just missed it. Scroll up. it's there. If you can't prove that a scholarly article or study exists to back up the numbers like 91% of new home purchases are solely made by women, then you are the liar. Since you haven't linked it yet, you either haven't bothered looking into it, or you have looked into it and know you're wrong and just want to continue t…
/r/MensRights17/07/19 12:34 AM
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You keep talking about "the sources"as if there is a study or scholarly article linked in the infographic. There isn't. You are the one lying claiming to have read the sources. For the last time, if you've looked into "the source" that shows the methodology for how these statistics were gathered then link it. Otherwise it's not worth continuing. You haven't looked into the source yourself and it's obvious so i'm wasting my time here
/r/MensRights17/07/19 12:18 AM
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"Yankelovich Monitor & Greenfield Online" is not a study nor is it a proper source. I have looked into it and the study does not seem to exist. If you can prove that such a study exists, then i take back everything i said. You obviously haven't looked into the source or you could just end this by linking the non-existent study. As to whether i posted a link, yes i did as a seperate reply to a previous comment of yours. Here it is again since you have trouble finding it: https://blogs.wsj.com/num…
/r/MensRights16/07/19 11:38 PM
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First off I did provide a link in the comment above. Secondly, it's impossible for me to find definitive proof that something doesn't exist. You have claimed that you looked into the sources. Since you are familiar with the studies that the statistics in the OP came from, please link me the study from the source: "Yankelovich Monitor & Greenfield Online" (note: not a proper citation) that supports the claim that women are the sole decision makers in 91% of new home purchases and i will kindly ad…
/r/MensRights16/07/19 10:24 PM
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You obviously haven't looked into the sources too deeply because "Yankelovich in 2008, said that the statistic "did not originate with our research, but appears to have been manufactured by a source we haven't yet been able to identify." In other words: the source is bullshit
/r/MensRights16/07/19 05:41 PM
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https://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/do-women-really-control-80-of-household-spending-1054/
/r/MensRights16/07/19 05:32 PM
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No, women were part of the decision, not the sole decision maker. Look into the sources for yourself
/r/MensRights16/07/19 05:26 PM
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The infographic posted by OP doesn't either. It takes all joint purchases and credits those to women for some reason.
/r/MensRights16/07/19 04:07 PM
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Like most statistics used in gender politics, the numbers in this infographic are hugely misleading. A lot of the consumer choices listed are joint choices made by a man and woman together. It should seem pretty obvious that women don't account for 91% of new home purchases. Many new home purchases are jointly purchased, but for some reason this infographic decides to credit those purchases to women. From what I found before (and i don't remember the source) the actual difference in consumer spe…
/r/MensRights16/07/19 04:05 PM
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Referred for prosecution is hardly "proven true". Half of those cases get thrown out or dismissed
/r/MensRights03/07/19 10:00 PM
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As a percentage of people who eat breakfast, the rate of false accusations is minimal. It's nonsense to use that as an argument.
/r/MensRights03/07/19 04:24 PM
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A slight correction to your first point: Before I started researching this subject I thought the majority of cases were "he said she said" but it seems the data is a bit more complicated than that. 7.1% of cases are proven false, generally by admission of the accuser. 28.6% of cases are suspended/inactivated, in large part because of lack of accuser cooperation or because a suspect was not identified (i.e. accuser does not make a statement/cooperate with law enforcement) 26.4% of cases are eithe…
/r/MensRights03/07/19 03:30 PM
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Which study are you referring to? There are a dozen studies referenced here. Sorry, but it seems you're misreading my criticism. The BHO study is talking about the prevalence of accusations that don't name the accuser as a suspect for the crime of perverting the course of justice. The study says nothing of the prevalence of accusations that don't name perpetrators of the accused crime. Or maybe I'm misreading what you're saying? Why would you use the number of sexual encounters as a denominator?…
/r/MensRights03/07/19 03:20 PM
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Right. That's just part of it though
/r/MensRights03/07/19 12:49 PM
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The accuser doesn't prove anything. The accuser provides testimony to the police which serves as evidence in their investigation. If the accuser cooperates with law enforcement, her testimony meets the standards of a crime, and the accused does not have a rock solid alibi, that's generally enough to refer the case to prosecution (police have established probable cause). Once the prosecution have the case it's their job to either get the accused to take a plea deal or establish "beyond a reasonab…
/r/MensRights03/07/19 12:15 PM
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I'd say that the original post is too flawed to come from an academic, but from what I've seen sometimes peer reviewed and published studies can be just as bad.
/r/MensRights02/07/19 03:45 PM
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The point is that people in that sub have a hard time having their worldview challenged and I figured that disclaimer might make it a little more likely for my post to make it through mod filters
/r/MensRights02/07/19 10:02 AM
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From the source: In only six of these cases was there evidence of anyone being arrested, and in only two cases were charges laid, although there were at least 39 named suspects. Six advice files were submitted to CPS, with respect to possible charges being laid against the complainant for perverting the course of justice, and two were charged. This report is talking about false accusers being charged for perverting the course of justice.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 10:29 PM
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Any wrongthink gets deleted immediately by the mods
/r/MensRights01/07/19 08:03 PM
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The least they could do is take the offending post off their sidebar, but yeah some kind of information awareness campaign would be the correct way to try and address it.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 07:55 PM
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Not only that, but I dont see anything in the original post that remotely qualifies as "upfront about limitations of methodology".
/r/MensRights01/07/19 07:06 PM
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For every false no contest claim or confession for plea bargaining, a real rapist goes free and puts more people at risk. That's assuming the charge wasn't completely fabricated in which case there wouldn't be a real rapist
/r/MensRights30/06/19 07:20 AM
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Really good summary. It's reassuring to see someone else looked at this data and came to some very similar conclusions. Also it's been 13 years since the data collection period and STILL no comprehensive study document
/r/MensRights29/06/19 09:29 PM
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All the data was collected from US communities. Most reports (62%) were made to police the same day. 82% of reports were made to police within the first week.
/r/MensRights29/06/19 09:03 PM
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Thanks for the kind words. Glad you found this post informative and useful!
/r/MensRights29/06/19 03:51 AM
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You're welcome, happy to provide helpful info
/r/MensRights29/06/19 03:51 AM
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Seems to me more like someone who doesn't know how to read
/r/MensRights28/06/19 01:18 AM
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It's the rate at which accusations lead to convictions. Honestly, it's not a perfect comparison because the standards and process for classifying an accusation as false are much different than the standards and process for convicting someone of a crime. That said, it's still less misleading than comparing the number of accusations classified as false to all other accusations, including unsubstantiated and baseless accusations.
/r/MensRights27/06/19 05:33 PM
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It's not just a lack of critically examining the data, but a complete misrepresentation of what the data means. Using "Only 18% of False Accusations name a suspect" to infer that only 18% of false accusations name an accuser is pure misrepresentation of what the study is actually saying which is that 18% of false accusations name the false accuser as a suspect.
/r/MensRights27/06/19 05:22 PM
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Be my guest!
/r/MensRights27/06/19 12:09 PM
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This guy must be a troll. He was trying to bait me into an argument over on this post too.
/r/MensRights27/06/19 03:36 AM
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Have at it! Glad this could be of some use
/r/MensRights27/06/19 02:15 AM
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no i disagreed that a universal claim can be proved. If you can't be bothered to use precise language or read what i'm writing, there is no point for this to continue
/r/MensRights26/06/19 11:56 PM
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i have never said that
/r/MensRights26/06/19 11:38 PM
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You're completely misrepresenting my position to try and be combative. We do not disagree on the point, we disagree on the language.
/r/MensRights26/06/19 11:20 PM
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I was never trying to disprove it, i'm saying it's bad practice to make statements that are impossible to prove
/r/MensRights26/06/19 10:47 PM
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You made a universal claim: "no police anywhere". In order for that claim to be true it needs to be universally true
/r/MensRights26/06/19 10:06 PM
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If you think that police don't have a bias to protect their fellow officers I don't know what to tell you. There are plenty of cases of police corruption, are you seriously arguing that police never break procedure? ​ What are we even talking about, I agree that in most cases police side with the accuser. I just don't think you can prove that as a universal truth.
/r/MensRights26/06/19 09:27 PM
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Police dont universally follow procedure in every case
/r/MensRights26/06/19 09:12 PM
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Free clue, no police anywhere treat men accused of rape nicely. Ok is this true if the person accused is a cop? Is it true if the person accused is related to a judge? If the person accused is some type of star athlete at the local college? ​ Sure it may be true a lot of the time, or even a matter of procedure. That doesn't make it a universal truth.
/r/MensRights26/06/19 08:58 PM
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I'm not defending it. I'm saying it's important to be careful with how you use certain language.
/r/MensRights26/06/19 08:42 PM
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It's not provable because proof would require investigating every single case. I'm sure that there is some case where a football star was treated with leniency which would make that statement inaccurate
/r/MensRights26/06/19 08:31 PM
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That's an impossible statement to prove
/r/MensRights26/06/19 08:07 PM
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Try opening it in your web browser instead of the reddit app
/r/MensRights26/06/19 07:12 PM
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Click the "share" button at the bottom of the post and select "copy to clipboard"
/r/MensRights26/06/19 07:07 PM
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This is just misunderstanding the police categorizations. People with mental health disorders are more likely to fabricate completely fantastical claims that are easily defined by police as "false". False accusers with lesser or no mental health problems are more likely to create believable scenarios that get categorized as unsubstantiated at best and lead to convictions at worst.
/r/MensRights26/06/19 05:59 PM
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That's a fair point but it doesn't make the above cited sources any more trustworthy
/r/MensRights26/06/19 01:43 PM
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That type of false claim is much easier for the police to classify as false. It's really the claims by sane people that are much more of a threat because they're much more likely to be believed and lead to an arrest.
/r/MensRights26/06/19 01:42 PM
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Nice post, shame these types of posts don't get the attention of other more sensationalized posts
/r/MensRights26/06/19 01:27 PM
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If you go by the conviction rate it's more like 1/20 are proven true
/r/MensRights26/06/19 12:39 PM
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No, it's really because both sources cited are individual accounts with no standards for data collection. These "findings" are just unsubstantiated estimates, not facts. There may be some merit to these people's testimonies, but these by no means qualify for some kind of scholarly citation.
/r/MensRights25/06/19 05:22 PM
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I agree with you that the numbers have less meaning than those who throw them around give them. The reason we can't stay clear of this is because feminists try to use these numbers to justify lessening the standards required for someone accused to be punished. As an example, Obama's title IX guidance informed colleges to use "a preponderance of evidence" as the standard for punishing sexual assault allegations, rather than the criminal standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt". This guidance was b…
/r/MensRights25/06/19 11:33 AM
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These aren't exactly scholarly sources.
/r/MensRights25/06/19 04:06 AM
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Definitely good examples. For my post I tried to focus on studies with larger sample sizes rather than individual cases, but highlighting some cases can be useful as well.
/r/MensRights25/06/19 01:35 AM
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If you can cite sources for me I'd be happy to add this information to the post
/r/MensRights24/06/19 10:28 PM
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This is an area that could use further analysis. I think "most cases" is probably more accurate but I did not want to add anything to this post that was speculative
/r/MensRights24/06/19 10:06 PM
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Hope you find some help man
/r/MensRights22/06/19 06:15 PM
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I have no idea what you're talking about. Some reason you're trying to get really personal but I don't even know you and it seems you're just ranting so i'm not sure what exactly i'm running away from
/r/MensRights21/06/19 10:25 PM
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Don't see how that would be worth it. You're obviously convinced that you have achieved enlightenment on some higher level. I'd rather not indulge that massive ego
/r/MensRights21/06/19 09:50 PM
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Your line of argument is ill informed, convoluted and hypocritical. You're making huge assumptions about my personal motivations and beliefs which you have no clue about. You have a very cynical view of what it means to take a stance, that stances are purely motivated by selfish vanity, which i disagree with. You continue to rail against vanity, but you use condescending language like "here it is in crayon", "your little shimmy", "sure buddy", etc. I can't help but feeling that this railing agai…
/r/MensRights21/06/19 03:24 PM
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I got the same result
/r/MensRights21/06/19 03:12 PM
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First off I don't hate feminists I just disagree with them. I don't know what the difference between opposing someone and playing a game of opposition are. Which are you doing here? You just said opposition is never right
/r/MensRights21/06/19 01:00 PM
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"The opposite of something wrong is never right, it's just another, different wrong pointing in the opposite direction." What? Your position is basically, "don't bother opposing people who push a false narrative about r/Mensrights because that's not relavent to r/Mensrights." Opposing this kind of pseudo-intellectualism is absolutely relevant. This paper attempts to marginalize the Mens Rights movement by invoking some type of academic mumbo-jumbo. That's exactly the sort of thing that this move…
/r/MensRights20/06/19 07:33 PM
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To be fair r/MensRights does attribute the state of certain things in our society to women's influences, while r/Menslib holds the position that women don't have any societal influence and are thus completely blameless. For example I think most users on r/MensRights would agree that women's preference for high earning partners has some influence on men's drive to seek financial gains even at the expense of their own health. In a way this is "blaming" women for a male behavior that harms men. r/M…
/r/MensRights20/06/19 07:22 PM
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the author when posting to /r/menslib described the goal of the paper as follows: "My goal is to use statistical methods to shed a bit of light on what differentiates inclusive and toxic masculine discourses." ​ This seems both extremely biased and incredibly dishonest compared to the language used in the paper. ​ If you believe the paper's introduction the goal is: "identifying the linguistic features that distinguish the performance of anti-feminist masculinity from that of pro-feminist mascul…
/r/MensRights20/06/19 07:13 PM
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"the pay gap" AKA women earn 82% of what men earn AKA women earn less for working the same hours as men is absolutely a lie. Men who work full time work on average .6 hours more per day than women who work full time or 4.2 more hours per week. This somehow never gets brought up in the pay gap discussion. There may be some gender pay discrimination but it isn't anywhere close to 18%. It's so small that it's hard to measure after you account for all the other reasons the gap exists.
/r/MensRights15/02/19 01:15 AM
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Boys who follow this kind of doctrine eventually start to resent women for not accepting them even though they've submitted to every instruction they're told women want them to.
/r/MensRights14/02/19 08:42 PM
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Maybe the survey is only counting sexually active students? Then "low status males" would not be taken into consideration.
/r/MensRights04/02/19 06:13 PM
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> there is no reason for straight men to look off campus for partners. Men are typically less concerned with the educational attainment level of their partners compared to women, so it's not about the "incentive" to look off campus, just the likelihood. A less attractive college male doesn't necessarily have an easy time finding a partner on campus just because the numbers are skewed in his favor. It's also possible that the survey is only counting sexually active students and that there are a f…
/r/MensRights04/02/19 06:04 PM
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First of all, "much" is subjective. There is no mathematical definition of "much", so calling me out "in a mathematical sense" for something subjective is ridiculous. There are 30% more women than men in college, that is significant enough to impact the numbers in this survey. Of course that's only one factor and does not explain the "3x more" number, but it certainly factors in. Secondly, my point was simply that it's not "mathematically impossible" to achieve these numbers, because "college st…
/r/MensRights04/02/19 05:58 PM
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Can you link the article?
/r/MensRights04/02/19 05:44 PM
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It's possible that college men have more partners than college women though. The population of college women is much higher than the population of college men and it's possible that college men have more non-college partners than college women.
/r/MensRights04/02/19 04:10 PM
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Two possible explanations I can think of that would make college men have a higher number of sexual partners: The population of college women is much larger than the population of college men. (11.2 million women vs 8.7 men enrolling per year). College women have a much smaller pool of college men to choose from than vice versa. It's also possible that college aged men have on average more sexual partners than non-college men while the gap between college women and non-college women is closer. I…
/r/MensRights04/02/19 03:51 PM
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What exactly is a person? When does a fetus become a person? Why does the act of pushing a fetus through a birth canal make it a person?
/r/MensRights29/01/19 08:09 PM
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Those are the worldwide numbers, the article is just u.s.
/r/MensRights04/12/18 01:38 PM
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I've seen it a lot for suicide rates and prison population growth too
/r/MensRights04/12/18 01:36 PM
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Teens count as men and women, they don't specify adults. "While teen deaths from drinking were down about 16 percent during the same period, deaths among people aged 45 to 64 rose by about a quarter." these are just two categories of men and women. ​ The 24% is not a change in deaths, it's a change in death rate. Both the 35% increase in deaths and the 24% increase in death rate are from the same study.
/r/MensRights04/12/18 07:00 AM
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Haven't gotten a response yet. Will let you know.
/r/MensRights06/10/17 05:58 PM
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I replied and asked if I'd be welcome to come even though I'm a dude. Not sure how to proceed from here. I'm sure I'll get a lot of flack from friends and neighbors if I complain.
/r/MensRights06/10/17 05:37 PM
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Is there any data for the difference in family-standard-of-living between men and women? That sounds like something interesting to look at.
/r/MensRights31/08/17 02:02 PM
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I guess I misworded this comment. I think circumcision is barbaric and unnecessary. I was trying to answer your question about why people in America do it. They don't know all the facts, and there are obvious incentives for hospitals to provide misinformation.
/r/MensRights31/08/17 01:49 PM
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The main reason is that people don't know the side effects and there are medical benefits such as lower rates of STD transmission and easier to clean bacteria. Foreskins are also sold by hospitals to cosmetics companies, so that may be a reason the hospitals are not giving the whole picture to new parents.
/r/MensRights29/08/17 07:00 PM
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A blog that links to a facebook screenshot is not exactly a reliable source. I've been searching for this story on google and can't find it.
/r/MensRights29/08/17 06:58 PM
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Great video, but puatraining.com is one of the most obnoxious websites I have ever seen.
/r/seduction08/05/11 05:29 AM
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Thanks, this is exactly the kind of encouragement I need. There's always next weekend
/r/seduction14/03/11 02:37 AM
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Thanks, I've also been lurking on the fashion advice subreddit. I guess I just have to get to the point where I feel comfortable making my own fashion decisions.
/r/seduction14/03/11 12:57 AM
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Solid advice, thanks. I guess I considered him overaggressive because he went out of his way to disagree with everything I said, and took my playful teases and made them way more serious than they were... I probably could have dealt with it better though.
/r/seduction13/03/11 02:40 AM
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Ok, I'll definitely start paying attention more. I dont think the dude was her friend but I'm not sure. Also could you point out what you thought was douchy? I'm really worried that I'm going to turn into a douche because of all this.
/r/seduction12/03/11 09:47 PM
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Thanks for the advice!
/r/seduction12/03/11 09:46 PM
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I guess I should have gone into more detail. He #closed with a girl at the second bar. She was very drunk but still counts.
/r/seduction12/03/11 02:01 AM
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True, but my goal was to help him for the most part. And I definitely got an assist on that one. Edit: Also, I never claimed to be a pua! just an RAFC ;)
/r/seduction11/03/11 11:27 PM
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Thanks a lot! Reddit is great.
/r/seduction04/03/11 02:23 AM
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I have the hard time reading what is a shit test and what is a bitch shield.
/r/seduction04/03/11 01:44 AM
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I saw a girl who's profile made it pretty clear she was obsessed with cats. she also mentioned that she thinks she is boring. so i sent her this message: Subject: Eye of the tiger Message: So let me get this straight: you meow uncontrollably, you collect hello kitties, gave birth to a kitten and now are raising it as your child, and somehow you think you are pretty boring? A genetic freak of nature maybe, but you don't sound boring! -Brett Response: A+ for the most original "hello" message in my…
/r/seduction03/03/11 05:30 PM
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She never said she didn't remember her number.
/r/seduction01/03/11 07:14 PM
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