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And women will never stop being bigots, I guess. Probably the rest of us should just join in on the abuse and raping.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 07:42 AM
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I can't even imagine scanning some woman's shirt and then seeing a message that she wanted me to grope her. I don't think I would believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 11:03 PM
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I'm pretty sure there are dozens of porn videos with almost this exact theme. (Yes, only dozens.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 10:58 PM
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Yep. “The bar is literally SO LOW for men, all they have to do is wear a shirt and not hit women” and then tons of men who meet that standard can’t get dates. Meanwhile women are like “ugh, I dated another shirtless guy today, why do men suck”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 01:54 AM
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I wonder how women would feel if guys had a switch they could use to turn off their libido. And then when women wanted men to respond sexually, they just didn't, because it wasn't time yet or whatever. I think they'd be pretty frustrated and they would start inventing all sorts of scenarios in their head. Does he only like her as a friend? Does he find her ugly? Is he fucking someone else on the side? Is there something wrong with him? I mean, there's ample evidence that women already think thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 07:58 PM
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Middle age spread is a thing. It won't hit when you're 30, but by 40 you could be struggling - especially if you're the type of guy who doesn't easily build muscle or keep weight off. It's funny how much guys throw around "just get fit bro" when any real athlete knows that you can't beat your own genes (unless you juice up).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 10:34 PM
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Sounds like an irrational, emotional response.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 09:59 PM
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ROFL, "I don't date/hookup with X" and then she goes and dates/hooks up with some other X. Sooo common. Women started inventing lies to soft-reject men so that the men wouldn't get upset, or they wouldn't burn bridges with guys they might want favors/a good business relationship with later, or they didn't have the spine to be the bad guy so they pull the punch, etc. But smart men respond by learning to treat anything that isn't an unqualified yes as a hard rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 09:47 PM
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I don't obsess over n-count, but she won't be an 8-9 by the time she finally hits the wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 09:40 PM
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Is this woman what you guys consider a 10/10? Because if so, you folks really need to reconsider the framing. I dunno, 8-9 maybe. Nice legs though. But that's looks. This woman seems designed for pump and dump. I can't imagine trying to have an actual relationship with someone this dumb and entitled. I can't even imagine trying to have one conversation with her. I'd get halfway into trying to start something up before I had to gnaw my conversational arm off. As a result, you'll miss the good one…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 08:04 PM
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I'm starting to see a pattern where when you point out women's bigotry they try to deflect attention from it by whatabouting or changing the subject. Don act like there isn’t a massive double standard between men and women I'm not. There is a massive double standard. Men are raised to understand that they're disposable, their feelings don't matter, their only value to others is service and sacrifice, and they have to fight to survive in a world that only wants to suck them dry and throw away the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 10:16 PM
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Oh, hmm. Yep, she does look like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 09:17 PM
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women aren’t machines that you put food into and it rewards you with sex Apparently OP is though
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 09:45 AM
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You're not owed anything from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 09:29 AM
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Relationships mean you're giving up all the rest of women in order to commit to one person. Unless she's fucking amazing, it doesn't make much sense to do that. Women used to want relationships because they got to share the man's wealth while having a relatively easy and comfortable job. Now that women have their own careers, what are we overwhelmingly seeing? Women see men as unnecessary, not worth it, a burden, a nuisance, or maybe an accessory... the same thing women have always been to men, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 08:22 AM
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Hold up, maybe she has "no barrier" because she's < 5 and her barrier is in the basement "The Hunchback of Notre Dame has never tried to make friends with me"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 07:18 AM
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Women lie for all sorts of reasons. Try taking accountability for your actions instead of blaming men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 06:00 AM
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Even if they tell you the truth, the outcome is the same. I... literally said that. You're gay, not blind. If they are lying then that means they care enough about you as a person to try to spare your feelings. Just means they're cowardly. Women don't care about men's feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 05:59 AM
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It still sucks to be treated like a possible violent rapist because of something a tiny minority of men do, yet here we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 05:57 AM
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Men are not a monolith. I’m not obsessed with virginity like some of these guys apparently are. Don’t tell me to make up their mind. Anyway, the outcome is the same. “I’m dating” means “no”. Women lie about these things all the time so it doesn’t even matter if you really are or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 02:50 AM
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Look in the mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 01:08 AM
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I’d also guess that seeing open hatred towards your social group generally makes you feel more negative about the perpetrators of it. You'd think feminists (and "woke" people generally who like to shit on white people, straight people, etc and then can't figure out why those people don't align with them or blame it on evil right wing mind viruses) could figure that out, but nope!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 07:55 PM
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many girls actively advertise they are kinky and like sex on Sugar dating sites. When money is involved, truth and honesty come out easier, less relationship games are played. What? That's a sales pitch, you doof, not "honesty".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 06:28 PM
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Because I ran across your ASMR videos WAY before this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 09:16 AM
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I think it’s hilarious that you post here. That’s all
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 04:21 AM
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Women can't handle facts
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 07:03 PM
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so you're okay with bigotry actually, good to know
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 06:59 PM
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ITT: women are still bigots
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 06:39 PM
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yes judging people by other people's actions is bigoted
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 07:26 AM
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I think they grow up without having good role models or advice on how to meet women, charm them, date them, etc. Or they get TERRIBLE advice from listening to what women say about dating. Probably also have social problems. So they see all sorts of other people who are dating, they hear stories about so and so slept with who, etc. All the smoking hot Helens out there are fucking someone and it's not always even Chad. So they want in too. And probably they do idealize them because they're cherry …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 02:21 AM
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there's no need for you to villanize them further No, there's no need, it's just fun (I guess)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 01:41 AM
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ITT: women are still bigots
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 01:37 AM
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Not all males. Checkmate
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 10:05 AM
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I mean why would they care about us? What incentive is there for them to care for our issues? Comes down to philosophy, right? Should people care about each other? Do we owe each other anything, and if so, what? Women have been complaining for a long time that men treat them poorly, that we make them uncomfortable, that we don't respect them enough, that we need to care more about their feelings, etc. The implication there is that women believe that men and women owe each other something. If you…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 11:56 AM

For my critics to have better reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 11:29 AM

All the women shitting on this, except the only thing that's actually wrong with it is that it's exaggerated. And the sad thing is this shouldn't even be debatable anymore because the evidence is overwhelming and clear, it's just that women deny any reality they find inconvenient or embarrassing. The flip side of this is that it doesn't matter. Women don't actually give a fuck about men. They don't care what men want, they don't care how men feel, they don't care about men's problems. Is it unfa…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:35 AM
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A baby isn't part of a woman's body. I would have way more respect for pro-choicers if they just admitted they wanted to kill extra babies, instead of this horseshit whitewashing where they pretend that babies aren't even actual humans until they've jumped through a vagina, and also they're just a weird tumor or vestigial organ that grows in the mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:16 AM
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I would suspect most of the folks with this perspective would not like the impact that lack of abortion access would have upon mens overall sexual access. I suspect most of the folks with this perspective would not be sexually impacted in the slightest by the elimination of abortion access. Half of nothing is still nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:13 AM
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Be yourself, unless people don't like you, in which case be someone else. I mean, duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:10 AM
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Women don't give a shit about men. When will you doofs figure that out?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:07 AM
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It's delusional to think that anyone owes anyone anything. Why should men even be nice to women? Why let them have jobs and rights and stuff? Why not punch them in the street and steal their boobs? There is no Saint Peter to judge you if you tie every thot to the train tracks and twirl your long, sinister mustache.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:05 AM
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That's brilliant! Just turn off your sex drive for a decade or two, lads - you'll be better for it! (The switch is in your left armpit.)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:00 AM
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If that's his only option, he should probably stay single. No point getting a partner if you can't get a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 10:48 AM
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So they raise there standards and stop sleeping with the average guy. They get fucked about and complain but will still chase them. Seems like their problem. Not a crumb of sympathy for them. Sucks for decent average guys who can't get any attention, but the women are making free choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:32 AM

Women: men have unrealistic expectations of getting Instagram models, they need to be realistic and settle Also women: There's no way I'd pick a guy who was just settling for my looks
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:26 AM
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They don't give a fuck about men, and they never will. They never have. Women have always looked out for themselves, while trying to blame and shame men for doing the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 08:57 AM

Back when I was doing OLD, I didn't see any difference in female interest/responses when I had a short lazy bio and a long detailed one. Just like I didn't see any difference between sending longer, more conversational messages and shorter ones. I know people want to believe that spending the extra time reaps benefits but that doesn't necessarily hold up in practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 08:37 AM
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Women are framing this like "either we're attracted or we're not". The thing they're not saying is that there is a fuzzy middle ground that has stuff like "I'm not enthusiastic but I'm not mad about it either" and "I didn't know I wanted this, but now that it's happening it's actually hot." For some women, just the fact that men are making confident moves might make them more attracted. Guys who push (especially if they're good at reading nonverbal signals and can tell if they're getting an "ick…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 08:32 AM
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Most women tell us that they do makeup and hair and all these things to make themselves beautiful so they can feel good not to attract men ...but it's a male beauty standard. They're making themselves attractive TO MEN. They might say they're doing it for themselves, they might even be deluded into believing that, but it's still about what we want. Not convinced? Go look up some lesbian thirst traps and report back. What's hilarious is a lot of these women would say they're not trying to attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 09:17 AM
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Bro women are considered a protected class on reddit hence why women can say they should kill all men but if a man says the same thing it’s perma banned. This is most social media platforms (including forums etc). The fact is that those platforms are businesses. They get their users to write all of their content for them for free, which attracts other users; this is how the platform grows, and then they make money off of those users by serving ads (sometimes they also charge for premium membersh…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 07:32 PM
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You are reducing the entire experience of women down to “they can get sex easier.” No, you are. The OP touched on multiple points.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 06:53 PM
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Feminism has always had one purpose which is equal rights, equal opportunities, and especially nowadays, equal RESPECT. Gaslighting bullshit. How am I supposed to feel more respect for people who lie and have dumbass white knights lying on their behalf? Also, do you even paragraph, bruh?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 04:43 AM
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There's this common assertion by feminists that men who have trouble attracting women have that problem because they're misogynists. This is a post hoc fallacy; LOTS of guys you would consider misogynists still attract women. Even abusers and sex criminals still attract women. There may be some proportion of feminists who are so suspicious of men that they reject them at the first hint of misogynistic or abusive behavior, but that's not the majority of women. Besides which, if "not even a hint o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 07:22 PM

Mostly nah. But there are two things feminism has done. Feminism has women thinking that they should make as much as men, but hasn't normalized dating down - so women still expect a guy to make as much or (preferably) more money than she does, which gets harder the more she makes (and remember that the majority of college students these days are women, so you're not outearning a waitress or a secretary or a perfume sprayer, you're outearning a marketing manager or a doctor or something. Good luc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 07:49 AM
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Doesn’t matter. His point is valid: women are only autonomous because they live in a walled garden that men built. If there’s some kind of fall and living standards revert to historical levels, women will RUN back into men’s homes rather than sacrifice their safety and comfort doing men’s work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 01:06 AM
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I’m impressed that you managed to cram an entire bible up your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 01:01 AM
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The US is 98% literate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 12:43 AM
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LOL, you fell for that? Women don't say what they mean or mean what they say. Didn't think I'd have to explain that to anyone in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 06:54 PM
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About 2/3 of people who go for a bachelor's degree get one. The rest drop for a variety of reasons. For a lot of them it's life shit (money issues, illness, taking care of family, changing goals). Some freshmen do wash out from partying too hard and flunking but usually after a year of that people sort their shit out. Community college students drop at a higher rate but a lot of those aren't serious/traditional students to begin with, they're taking a few courses for whatever or they're knocking…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 06:52 PM

LOL, no If time and money aren't issues, the bar for getting a degree is really low. And I've seen/met/worked with tons of college-trained idiots. It's a lousy filter.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:48 PM
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Nah, they love pretending to love obese men. Not the same thing at all. They can post whatever bullshit they want on TikTok but I promise they're not going out and pulling fat dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:31 PM
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Honey, women are always telling men that their preferences are shallow and unrealistic and then crying that women shouldn't have to settle for the sea of men they're not attracted to. Give it a rest
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:24 PM
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Sure but for every one woman that throws out a subtle or snide remark, she also has like 7 or 8 other women telling her she's a 10. Where did you hear that, and why did you believe them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 09:03 AM
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There are sites, forums, where wannabe SBs can go to find or be found by SDs. I guess wannabe SBs could advertise on Tinder, but they're not going out and propositioning the wealthy-looking young Chads they want (are they?); they're waiting to be found.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:05 AM
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Alright, well, you cling to your wacko delusions, and I'll remove you from my user experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:03 AM
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I’m not a slut-shamer, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 11:20 PM
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LOL that you thought this was a good analogy. But it’s telling that you view most men as ugly, fat, and not even the same sex as people you’re attracted to. Really steel-plating that “women are only attracted to tiny% of men” stereotype!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 11:16 PM
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Do you even hear yourself? So you see/know/could date a “quantity” of men, and yet almost none of all those men are quality? Really? So, like, what is the proportion of quality men? 1%? Or is it just a problem with men who are looking for women? Or are you cursed to know only trash men? How do you think this math actually works? Regardless, you’re still one up on men. If we had a hundred women we could date, most of them would be just as trash as men. It’s not like women are so much better. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 11:10 PM

I see you found your anticapitalism in a cereal box. Prostitutes can do nonsexual work like anyone else. They can get college loans like anyone else (and some do). Even if sex work pays better than Taco Bell, that doesn’t make it rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:58 PM
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Don’t be disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:54 PM

Because that’s not how it works? Men approach with money and get babies. Yeah the babies can turn a guy down but then they don’t do any business. Any guy with a six figure income and the ability to be kinda classy can rent a baby. The hate for women with even a moderately high n-count is insane though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:50 PM

That’s bullshit. Taking money IS consent. No one is forcing her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:47 PM
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LOL @ this thread. Do men pay sugar babies for not-sex? Sure they do - like men hire escorts just to talk to them. It happens, yes, but if you think that’s the majority you’re absolutely deluded. These old guys are definitely trying to smash the young hotties they can’t pull (and probably never could) and any baby that doesn’t perform is likely to be looking for a new daddy soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:40 PM
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Fat women get clowned too, it’s just less overt teasing and more passive aggressive female bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:30 PM
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Women literally don’t have to do any of the things society pressures them to do. Want to not diet, not work out, not wear makeup, have a simple utilitarian haircut and wear jeans and tshirts all the time? You can. Nothing is stopping you. I mean, you’ll probably never get a date that way. But, don’t y’all actually hate attracting strange men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:07 PM
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This is an interesting way to say that most men are awful and worthless. As opposed to women? Or do women think of themselves as mostly awful and worthless, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 09:58 PM

“Women like sex” “Want sex?” “Ew no”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 09:56 PM
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I skimmed through this thread but I didn’t need to because I already knew what would happen: a small number of people correctly pointing out that women are overtly bigoted against men, and a large number of people saying anything to miss the point or twist the story so it’s not bigotry when women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 05:01 PM
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The thing about women is they like all sorts of weird shit for no reason. Yeah, money, looks, charisma all generally help. But some women like lanky dudes, or shy dorky dudes, or punky dudes. Dad bod won't make you a Chad but some women are into softer guys. Sometimes there's just strong chemistry for no reason. That's all true even for hot women. They might be spoiled for choice but they still have preferences. So it's possible for an average guy or a weird guy to still attract a hot woman. It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 08:11 PM
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Horses for courses.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 08:05 PM
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Employers are desperate for magic elves. They don't care much for actual humans who have their own lives and interests, and who expect to be paid well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 02:35 AM
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Right, women are going to start avoiding fitter men. Super legit ROFL
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 10:42 PM
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Every man who isn't an ultrachad (or one of those rare weird dudes who still drowns in pussy anyway) or a cocky egomaniac expects rejection. We all know dating is a numbers game.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 07:27 PM
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Yeah, that's the thing, most women are just average people, and average people kind of suck. If you meet a woman who has kind of a boring life, isn't particularly intelligent, isn't particularly entertaining, isn't particularly nice, etc. why would you want to stay with her? Maaaaybe if you have a strong match in values and interests that's enough, but otherwise, meh. Bering born with great genetics (for looks) doesn't mean you're smarter or have a better personality, and you can't find those th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 07:25 PM

Does this not smell of interclass struggle/warfare? So your argument is that class warriors sound bitter, RPers sound bitter, therefore RP is class warfare?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 07:06 PM
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I'm sure some men want to chase.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 06:24 PM
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No, the radfems are just deranged man haters. No need to go much deeper than that. When enough people get sick of them that we can shun and bully them back under their rock, the world will be better off.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 12:48 AM
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Who would women be more attracted to? Which women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 07:18 PM
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However, for women a mans weight is hardly part of the equation. AHAHAHAHAHA
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 04:06 AM
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Completely disagree. Take sex away and women are basically short, soft little men. Except they don’t understand you like other men would because they’ve never been one, they probably don’t have the same interests (almost guaranteed she’s into some kind of girly shit that you’re not), they just think strangely. They require special treatment. Also, a lot of them lowkey hate or fear men, either because feminism got to them or they had a bad experience with men or they’re just female chauvinists. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:49 AM
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I've seen you around here a bit. It's obvious you're just a manhater and you come here to whine about men. That's fine I guess but don't expect a discussion. You've got your answer, if you refuse to accept reality that's on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 08:30 PM
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I swear, some of you people just want to argue so badly that you'll take a trash position to do it from.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 06:46 PM
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When asked, a lot of women here will say they don't want a guy with a high count, one who engages in a lot of casual sex, one who's paid for sex, etc. because those guys are tainted somehow or have "bad values" or whatever. Mind you, a lot of women in here are deranged. But women slut-shaming men and/or assuming that someone who sleeps around a lot would make a bad LTR is definitely a thing that happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 06:28 PM
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That is equally as stupid as a bitch saying “Men shouldn’t expect women to stick around after paying for her meal at an expensive 5 star restaurant. Expensive dinners lock women down? News to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 06:24 PM

All this translates to is: You should feel obliged to fuck men but never expect men to give a damn about you. No, it means that you need something to offer besides pussy. Especially if you're not even offering pussy. Men are held to the same standards and arguably worse ones because dick is almost never a valuable offering. We have to be employed and wealthier than average (and many women are actively expecting to be kept rather than contributing half), we have to be taller than average, handsom…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 06:18 PM
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would you ever date someone from this sub Maybe? Probably not, but maybe? There are definitely some attractive women here; there's a small but non-zero chance we have compatible views and personalities. either try to understand their point of view or in hope they might come round to your way of thinking? Oh, good god no.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 05:40 PM

So were fusion plants, faster than light spaceship drives, time machines, self-aware AI...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 05:32 PM

Most guys want to have sex with a PERSON, not a hole. Even if they're selfish, they still want someone that acts with their own will, has their own personality, that feels pleasure and desire, whose participation makes the guy feel sexy or loved. Casual sex is empty because it lacks some of this depth, but you're still with an actual person who chose or accepted you, not a complicated sex toy. Guys can get sex toys now. There are all sorts of fleshlights, blowjob machines, vibrators (some of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 12:32 AM
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No, I don't think. OP was saying "look at all these depraved male interests, female interests are pretty normal" so I countered with three female interests that are fucked up. I don't know why but you've gone so far out on some limb that you're grasping at leaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:08 AM
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Go home, you're drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:48 AM

Quote?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:37 AM

Maybe your data is actually worthless garbage. Have you considered that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:36 AM
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I tried it once, with a pretty thin sound, for science. It's... a sensation, for sure. A burning kind of sensation, like you need to pee. As I said, not my thing. Yes, some people do use progressively thicker sounds to stretch the tissue, and yes it's supposed to be sort of like stretching a vagina. Oh. While I'm here, a woman's urethra is a pretty short shot to her bladder. I guess you could stick something in there but you couldn't go very far before you went through the other side, so it's re…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:35 AM

Seems like you're stretching pretty hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:27 AM
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Man, so many people post here who can't construct a sound, coherent argument and give it an appropriate title. It's like you're cosplaying discussion. I don't care how many guys a woman's slept with, which apparently makes me a bizarre outlier here. It's bizarre to me that YOU care and I think y'all have some kind of hangup or complex or something. So - what do we mean by "strong, independent"? If we're talking raging feminist bitch or someone who always feels the need to flex superiority, I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:17 AM

Sounding is "taboo"? Like... there are UTI risks involved (or actual damage, if you really screw up hard), but it's not any more depraved than any other kinky toy play, is it? (The mentality is that the urethra has a fair number of nerve endings and some guys enjoy having them stimulated somehow. Not my thing, but I'm not sure it belongs on a list with necrophilia.) Meanwhile your infograph has rapeplay, choking, and cutting as strong female interests. Those aren't depraved? Seems like you're st…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:04 AM
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Same. There are probably a few outliers who can. Extremely high sex drive. And, famously, some women who go on T find out to their surprise. But the rest? Nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 10:13 PM
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You can't "learn" how to cold approach women Well, that's just plain false. You absolutely can. Doesn't mean it'll always work. Many times it won't. But you miss 100% of the shots you don't take... You're going to tell me that there's a social component at a bus stop, on a train or a fucking Whole Foods? The people who are best at this sort of thing create a social environment. Okay, like, look. Suppose you're at a bus stop. It's cold and raining. You say "man, this weather is miserable." Maybe …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 10:02 PM
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They're free to go off and find some other women who'll have sex with them, right? Since you're not in the mood? No? Well, there's your answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 09:46 PM
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There are benefits to having a steady, reliable life partner that you wouldn't get from friends or hookups. So there's that. But sexually, it's a lousy deal for men. "In exchange for never being able to do anything even slightly sexual with any other woman for the rest of your life, maybe I will be the one to satisfy your sexual wants, or maybe not."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 09:44 PM
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No, it's not. It's soul destroying. It's also the only way to get actual practice approaching women outside your social circle. I kinda think that if you didn't learn to approach women and ask them out by high school or college at the latest, you are probably permanently fucked at dating. It's going to be too hard to gain those skills later.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 09:32 PM
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To be fair, you're probably doing the men a favor by denying them a date with a raging bitch. Can't really complain about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 09:28 PM
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Also, he gave her his digits. Unlikely to work (she'll just lose your number ASAP, probably) but also less pressure in the moment so she won't reject immediately. Just scrolled down and saw her followup comment talking about the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 09:25 PM
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Bigots will bigot. Remember, lads: part of the reason you have a harder time getting dates is because the people you want to date hate and fear men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 09:22 PM
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here's your "honesty" Sounds honest to me. Now, can women stop pretending that men are shallow and stupid (or deluded) when they choose women based on their appearance, but that women are smarter and deeper even though they do the same damn thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 09:08 PM
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I think it can happen. But you basically have to be the woman's unicorn. She thinks to herself "oh gosh, this man is VERY attractive and his voice is making me shiver" (or whatever), throw in a sexy smile and some witty banter, set the hook, maybe she gives you her number. Maybe some small number of women out there are the most approachable ones and you actually have a chance to establish a contact with them on the street. I mean, I have talked to strange women in places like this. Occasionally.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 09:06 PM

Okay, so generally "cold" means they didn't seek you out, you weren't introduced, you just show up and make your pitch. So you could call approaches at a bar or party "cold" and you would be right. But those are places that women go specifically to socialize. Maybe some of them actually just want to hang out with their friends and not be approached by guys, but it's that kind of context. It's not as cold as, like, approaching someone in a store.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:57 PM
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I mean. We're all human. We live in the same society. So they know some general stuff about us. But they seem to think that being a man is exactly like being a woman, except more bro-ish, and somehow it's easy mode because patriarchy. We don't think the same, we're not treated the same, there are big differences in our gender roles (many women aren't aware that female privilege even exists even though they're coddled all their lives, and they don't seem to understand we have extra obligations ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:24 PM
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Do you lean into it by dressing up as a vampire?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:15 PM
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The saddest part is a lot of these 40something men fully expected to pull 20-30something women in their 40s, but they can't. They can, they just have to pay for sugar babies. Older men make up for youth with income. Otherwise, yeah, unless you have aged really well, you have massive charisma, and/or you have radar for the rare women who actually want to date significantly older men, no way you're pulling these. Late 30s maybe. I've heard that dating gets easier when you're an older man IF you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 05:52 PM
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I think many women have unrealistic perception of what being a man is. Most women have no idea what being a man is like. They think they do but they don't and it's obvious every time they try to speak about what they think our lives are like.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 05:31 PM
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Tell us you're a moronic woman without telling us you're a moronic woman...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 05:29 PM
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Well, if women could agree on what you actually like, and then clearly communicate it, we'd have no problem. Instead you all like different things, and then you tell us you like something when you really don't (or vice versa). :P
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:23 PM
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Our men are known for being "vain". A lot (or some number?) of American women supposedly want men to take more care and pride in their appearance. Use skincare products, dress better, work out so they're more fit looking, style their hair more, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:02 PM
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Well most men will also not be ok with the women they’re dating having casual sex with someone else at the same The consensus seems to be that is that if a woman is dating and attractive enough to pull a lot of men then you can assume she has a lot of other guys on her line and she's probably seeing more than one of them at the same time, and if such a woman is having sex with you she's probably having sex with them too. Any guy who assumes that the women they're seeing are exclusive from their …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 09:58 PM
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Oh, yeah, that tracks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 09:08 PM
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Which country are you in? XD
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 08:24 PM
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I think it's easier to form couple relationships when you're young. Not that old people can't learn or do new things but if you have your own established home, your own life, lifestyle, fitting someone into that space gets harder and harder. You might have room on the margins, but you can't just mash your lives together. I'm saying this as a man but there's no reason why a woman would want to rearrange her life to fit some new guy into it. And kids, if she has them, are kind of the ultimate "you…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 08:01 PM
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Apparently a majority of men would have wished their ONS turned into something more (well FWB counts here). Plenty of guys actually want relationships, but they also want to get laid. If a woman puts out, that's strong inventive to maintain some kind of connection - FWB if there are no feelings or there are incompatibilities, GF if they're a good match. If she doesn't, what are you going to do? Wait who knows how long for sex, if in fact it ever happens (maybe she's just not that into you!), or …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:46 PM
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You already know the answer to that. Work on yourself to become a better prospect, and then practice approaching and socializing with women until you either get good at it or die from psychic damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:02 PM
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Sure they do. Guys see something they want and can't have. Then they see other guys getting what they wanted. And there's really no rhyme or reason to it. You can point at things that might make someone more or less attractive to women - money, looks, charisma, lifestyle - but women can't even agree on what makes men attractive and half the time it seems like they don't even understand what they themselves are attracted to. And you can always see women complaining about how the guys they date ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:01 PM
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Great. Now I've got this mental picture of going over to talk to the friend and just finding a whole group of girls giggling and one of them (not necessarily the friend) saying "oh my god" under her breath.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:33 PM
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women: We actually like sex! men: Cool, let's go women: God no. It has to be the right guy, the right place, the right time, I have to be in the right mood, and I'm demisexual. Why would you even want sex if you haven't spent years embracing my inner being? Why would you even want to touch a boob or a pussy? You just want to ram your dick in anything you're attracted to. You're gross. Men are gross. Ew, sex. Develop some self control, you degenerate perverts!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:22 PM
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Losing your virginity isn't transformational. You're not going to be a different person afterward. It just takes away the OMG what is sex really like tho???? mystery. Maybe you'll be less nervous about sex afterward (although it's always possible to get nervous about sex, especially with someone new) but it's probably not going to make you more confident in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:13 PM

True true. A guy could probably save some face (and time, money?) by just being noncommittal and saying things that could be interpreted as interest or invitation, and if she doesn't start acting super interested, just peace out and don't bring it up again. edit: the problems of course are (a) you have to be smooth enough to work this sort of thing into a conversation without being awkward and obvious, and (b) it's almost useless for cold approaching strangers that you have no reason to have cas…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 06:35 AM

video games LOL, I didn't think we had Boomers in here. Is this Gen X energy now?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 06:32 AM
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If you're a man who can pull women you find interesting or attractive with reasonable success, there's tons of incentive to date. But if you're not, putting yourself out there and getting rejected again and again is brutal. (And women say they want men to be more vulnerable. Uh, yeah, no thanks.) Online dating is brutal. Fighting upstream against all the negative messages men hear from feminists all the time is rough. If you're one of those guys, and you can't turn it around pretty quick by hitt…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 06:31 AM
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No. Everything men don't like that women like is a red flag. Cottagecore? Red flag. Pumpkin spice? Huge red flag. No, but seriously, you're listening to the wrong dudes. The idea that a woman who likes to travel is necessarily a wanton slut is completely insane. Of course women are allowed to like things. Except for music by angsty feminist singer-songwriters... flashing red neon sign, that. (Dating in Japan is pretty conservative generally and they're famously single over there. Women who don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 06:20 AM
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So I lived all my life as a man, but suddenly I have a woman’s body while retaining all my memories and personality? I mean. First thing to do, after I get over the shock and disbelief, I’d try masturbating. Obviously. Gotta check that out. But as far as living as a man in a woman’s body, uh, I guess I’m a lesbian huh? Also, hopelessly lost when it comes to feminine behavior. Also, I kinda doubt I’d adapt to the new identity well (considering what transfolk have said). If it’s anything else, lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 12:34 AM
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Escorts can’t be relied on to give accurate opinions about sex work. We must turn to the sour church ladies and broken femcel princesses to learn the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:18 PM

Why are these men AUTOMATICALLY demonized Misandry?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:44 AM

Why can't the male client also want to pleasure the sex worker? SWs have a limited time to provide clients with a satisfactory sexual experience, which means generally they take the lead, which doesn't necessarily allow for much focus on their own pleasure (supposing that they could actually get off with the help of the stranger who's paid them for sex). As it turns out, many SWs have tighter boundaries than some dates. Some don't kiss; others don't allow oral or fingering due to concerns with r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:36 AM
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We don't even have to pick up a rock. You people scream how you feel about men at the top of your lungs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:17 AM
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I mean, the odds of a woman losing their bf/husband to a professional are vanishingly small. Think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:16 AM
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Pretty much anything that isn't 4chan or Stormfront is kind to misandrists.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:11 AM
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I mean, they are probably sex negative too. But they automatically hate, hate, HATE anything that pleases men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:10 AM
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Western women act this way because Western men allow it. Hold up there, Captain Nuance. Let's take the anecdote - entitled bitch shoves homeless guy out of the bathroom line. What would he have done to disallow that? He could have verbally protested - this would only have resulted in a pointless argument with someone who believes they're incapable of doing wrong. He could have appealed to the crowd (or the bouncer? Was there a bouncer?) - who would probably have responded with "that's rough, bud…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:07 AM
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The war of the sexes has gone on since forever. So no, things will never get better.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:50 AM
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I could cook a horse on that take and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 02:42 AM
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You just have to assert instead of asking permission. Even if you're autistic, you have to assert. It's going to be harder because you're a poor communicator and you have trouble reading people, but that's your cross to bear; get used to it. Women are never going to take pity on men and makes themselves more kind, affectionate, and easy to date; what you see is all you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 08:17 PM
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But that's not even the point. Okay, so they think you're creepy. I guess you have no chance with them. You know what you would have had if you didn't talk to them? No chance. You lost nothing. Except maybe a little faith in humanity. If you talk to more women, they might think you're creepy too. Or they might not. If you don't talk to them, they won't think anything about you, which is not really any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:45 PM
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You get a C on your writing assignment. But, yes, women's advice on how to approach women, when to approach, what women want, etc is FUCKING TERRIBLE. They don't know what they like. They sure don't know what other women like. Never listen to women's advice on dating, it will only screw you up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:42 PM
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She's told me that she's glad I've "got my shit together" and can "take care of myself like an adult", unlike "most straight men". (I kinda ended up with a straw feminist, and I have some regrets.) Yeah, thanks babe. Your turn? Can you take care of your shit pls kthx?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:33 PM
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shrug I've been hearing this refrain over and over again. "Women don't need men. Women don't need men. Women are raising their standards because they don't need men." Ayuh, sure. Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:29 PM
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Same here, I feel like I'm a goddamn butler/maid to my partner and she's a permanent houseguest who says "can I help with that?" once in a while to be polite. She left for a while to care for one of her parents and suddenly there was so much less housework to do, it was insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:21 PM
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When you put it like this, it seems like, gosh, I guess women never need to deal with men at all. They've got everything now. Except that women still want relationships with men. Women still want men to like them. They act like we're worthless garbage, but then it kills them that we don't like them more. There are tons of low-key femcels out there crying about how they can't get a date or how the guys they were dating ghost them or about how they slept with a guy (why would a woman even do that …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:15 PM
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The OP has a weird take, but he’s right about one thing: you demanded access to all of our spaces, and offered up none of your own. Kind of like feminism generally. "Hi, we would like all of the privileges that men have, but none of the obligations, and also we would like to keep all of our own privileges. And if you have a problem with that, you're an effeminate loser poopyhead jerk." But, I mean, the answer is to create new men's spaces, or restore old ones, and have the sense to keep the wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 06:32 PM

Really? You've had a string of best friends and you dated them all? Yes, that sounds plausible and not like blatant bullshit. This is why women are worthless for dating advice. They don't understand men. They don't understand themselves. They don't know what they want and they don't know how they think. Asking a woman how to date is like asking a six year old to draw the inside of the CIA HQ. The best thing men can do is ignore everything women say about dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:22 PM
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I would rather explore real intimacy with a person who doesn’t need to pay me to like them. Men would rather explore real intimacy with a person who they don't have to pay to like them. But...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 07:52 PM
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Exactly. You can't change women being entitled princesses or dudes being hornier. But you can develop some dignity and standards, and stop investing time and energy in people who aren't gonna provide good returns. If women want us to offer them attention, time, respect, emotional intimacy, etc. they need to earn those things. If you're really thirsty and stuck in a desert, don't be a pussy beggar, escorts are a thing. The legal risk is low (not nonexistent unfortunately - something society needs…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 07:38 PM
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If this were a socialist country you would be stupid for wasting your time on some career. You could get more pussy by going to the gym or trying to be a rock star. Funny you say this when the US is hypercapitalist and we're still telling dudes to go to the gym and get fit to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 07:23 PM
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Leftism is tied to feminism The brocialists know what's up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 07:21 PM
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Most people don't understand left/right because they learned about it from the media. Politically, left means less hierarchy and more equality. The far left pole is some kind of anarchic ideal where no one has any power over anyone else and everyone is completely equal. Right is the opposite (more hierarchy, less equality) and the far right pole is some kind of totalitarian fascism with a small number of ultra powerful people and everyone else is basically a slave, and the slaves fight each othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 07:19 PM

You're assuming No, I'm just cutting through the bullshit. We're all human beings with thoughts, feelings, preferences, etc. Cool. Next time a woman complains about men wanting sex with her, I'll bust out this line. It will definitely convince her that it would actually be better to put out, because women care a lot about men's feelings preferences. ROFL I personally think it's better to be honest. As always, women have the worst dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:59 PM
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Yeah. Can you imagine a guy putting "I'm just here to meet people and make new friends... who I intend to have sex with" in a dating profile? ROFL
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 04:57 PM
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what about myself and the other dozen or so men and women here who were friends with their partner first before trying for anything sexual? To have a romantic/sexual relationship, you need prospects in your social circle, or else you need to add them to your social circle (AKA dating). A minority of people may already have someone in their circle that they develop feelings for/attraction to (or maybe you meet the friend of a friend for the first time and there's immediate attraction). Everyone e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 04:55 PM
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If you hang out and nothing comes of it, did you need anything to have gone differently? Yeah, you needed to not have been wasting your time (and money, probably) on a bad prospect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 04:48 PM

The only thing people have an issue with is someone pretending to be your friend, building that platonic relationship and coming to value it, only for the other person to scrap the friendship once they know they're not going to either get laid or get into a ltr. Guys pretending to be women's friends in order to fuck them is 100% a response to women's insistence that men get to know them better/become friends before sex. Women say they want men to be honest about their intentions, but if that act…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 04:37 PM

All women are advocating for to these hapless men, is that they do dating like this. Because it will work more more often for them than cold approaching or being quick with intentions. This is pretty much the worst dating advice I've ever heard. You must be a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 04:17 PM

Every time I read a comment like this it makes me laugh at all the women who insist that women like sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 10:53 AM
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Women are TERRIBLE at communicating their preferences. In fact I would guess the vast majority don't actually know what they want. They think they do but if they got what they asked for they wouldn't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 10:41 AM
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I thought nerds were hot now, or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 10:24 AM
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Yeah, this whole "aLL tEh mEnz iZ LozErS" thing is super played out and says more about the women spreading it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 10:24 AM

You want the men you like to stick around, while all the others fuck completely off. But that's not how it works, just like you can't pick what part of your body you lose weight from. The other option is to do the approaching yourself. But most women can't handle that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 10:12 AM

A lot of women actually don't have much to offer. If you take sex completely out of the equation, what is a woman? Basically a small, weak, overemotional dude with weird interests. Many of them hate men and say awful shit about us. Many of them think of us as potential poison M&Ms and don't want to be around us. On top of that, they're not any smarter or more interesting than men. On top of that, a lot of them (in America, at least) are spoiled, entitled, and/or narcissistic to various degrees. …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 10:07 AM
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Feminists don't know anything true about Gamergate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:58 AM
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If you're in a relationship you don't need to be on OLD. If people are approaching you IRL, you don't need to be on OLD. If you can pull wherever you go, you don't need to be on OLD. Women mostly don't need to use OLD to get the benefits because they can easily meet men IRL. The ones you find on there are either flakes who signed up for no-stakes validation or because they were bored (and are never actually available, except maybe if you're an ultra-Chad, so you're wasting your time matching wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 07:12 PM
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Eh. It is what it is. 90 of those replies would probably be bullshit. I'd never answer that particular ad, but if there are hung super studs under 35 who will settle for a fat, selfish 50yo, uh, good luck to them I guess. I think they could legit do better than that, maybe not every night, but definitely in the long run. If you just want a random fuck with hours or days notice, prostitutes are a thing, and you don't even have to be a Chad to get one. If you live anywhere urban, that's a whole ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:18 PM

If I'm not as slutty as my partner ,simply because I can't be I don't see how your inability to find OTHER casual sex partners is this woman's fault? But I don't see how you're jumping from a ONS to marriage. That's WAY too quick for me, son.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 05:54 PM
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Only one way for us to know. But those boobs are bangin'.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:18 AM
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Honestly, you haven't shown me that you're not just an NPC, and this last comment is really not helping your look. Enjoy fronting at imaginary Nazis.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:15 AM
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Let's say I chat for a week or two with a guy and I feel we are really connecting, we meet, sparks fly , and making love seems perfect at the moment. Great. Sounds like I'm in for a fun night. Then that guy decides that I've probably slept with many men the same way, which is a logical conclusion, but false. But how would he know? I mean, I don't care. I don't know who these dipshits are who expect near-virgins or see women as "ruined" by sex. The thing I'm going to be wondering is, will there b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:09 AM
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Women aren't as thirsty.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:06 AM

I always find these comments weirdly, and I mean WEIRDLY sex negative. I literally do not care what a woman's count is. As far as I'm concerned they're free to be as slutty as any man. Disease is potentially an issue but as long as they take reasonable safety precautions and get checked regularly, I'm good. If anything, I would hope that a woman with a higher count is better at sex, or else at least knows what she likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 05:48 AM
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Nope. Typical lack of self-awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 05:38 AM
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Women expect more from men on the basis that they no longer need them for shelter or food. And what more are you offering us, that we should offer you more in exchange? Seems like the one thing that's changed is that you have more money... but since most of you won't date broke guys, and the rest of us make our own money and don't need yours, I don't see how that's really an asset in your favor. Actually, since the new trend is toward casual, overt misandry, I see even less reason to invest in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 05:32 AM
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That’s not necessarily misandry… Yeah it is. Are you that blind? It’s true that women expect more from men today than they used to. On what basis, though? It's not like women have actually become better. No, they expect more because they've been spoiled. Coddled their entire lives in a civilization that men built, and now that they can get soft, cushy admin jobs they're asking what men have done for them lately. Deplorable. Well. As far as I know, despite the fact that they "don't need us anymor…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 01:22 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 12:25 AM
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Incels are mostly harmless, if annoying. They're not really more misogynistic than anyone else, they're just in pain and not afraid to say things that sound really misogynistic because they think it doesn't matter what they say anyway, so they're lashing out. They mostly just have poor social skills and low self-esteem, but fixing that is a hard road. Both make it more difficult to socialize successfully so they tend to be self-reinforcing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 10:29 PM
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So given all this why do women choose to gaslight men instead of just admitting they have this privilege? In general, women are not aware of their societal privileges. When they are, they're grateful for them and have no interest in giving them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 10:23 PM
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IME, the typical "nice guy" who's frustrated that women don't want him is contrasting himself with the typical "jerk" who cheats on their girlfriend, tries to manipulate or control them, pushes for sex early, treats them inconsiderately or rudely, hits them, etc. Or the "jerk" who's not in a relationship with them but approaches them when they're not receptive, or catcalls them, or gets too handsy. "Women hate those things - I know because they often say so. I wouldn't do those things if I had a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 10:14 PM
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How odes this square with the knowledge that women prioritize height in OLD? Do they look for different things in OLD vs. IRL? (also I'm a nerd: "of course a shorter man is going to have a higher frequency, that's just basic physics")
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 09:21 PM
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Eh. Most of the parties I've been to, you either already know the women at them, or you will before long - so if you're not already seeing benefits from that part of your social network, you're not likely to. I guess if you're really on the fringe of the people being invited or you're going to parties where most people don't know each other, there's a benefit to making female friends there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 09:18 PM
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If you look at most empires and civilizations they either broke apart or collapsed due to military spending, and their most prosperous periods were during times of peace. Which you would know if you actually understood what you were talking about. But you go on thinking that you can pull history out of your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 09:13 PM
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Monogamy means that you're locked in with one woman forever. Every other woman is unavailable to you (unless you cheat) no matter how willing/interested. And there's no guarantee that the woman you're with will even keep having sex with you; dead bedrooms are definitely a thing (and long marriages are notorious for them). Meanwhile, "getting cucked" obviously doesn't matter much to poly guys. Neither does a woman's n-count. So that's not really a downside. If men are going to keep being horny an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 08:44 PM
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Peace is not a pillar of civilization. Technology and hyper specialising is what makes a civilization. Without peace, you're making guns instead of butter, which discourages specialization.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 08:37 PM
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Radicalised single men, incels and mgtows are a tiny subset of the broader right. And they're not all right, either politically or culturally. But they are being pushed that way by woke culture that's absolutely determined to alienate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 08:34 PM
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Basically, women want friends and men want sex. Both want love, affection, support, companionship, etc. And both want validation and ego boost, which they might try to get from dating. Men get discouraged when dating women who seem uninterested in having sex with them. Women get discouraged when men "don't care about them, only their bodies". Women will sleep with guys trying to feel loved, men will offer fake love/friendship to get laid. People aren't a monolith and no one is one-dimensional so…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 08:26 PM
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Since mainstream feminism has been indoctrinating women for decades with the idea that men have all the power, that men are oppressors, that many of us are violent rapists, etc., I would say it has contributed greatly to the amount of misandry in society. When I see women today talking about how most men are losers who have nothing to offer, I feel like it's a direct effect of all this feminist misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 08:02 PM
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It's not about how much work is actually being done, it's about whether or not she feels he is pulling his own weight. She gets room and board, plus spending money, because of him. If she feels he isn't pulling his weight, perhaps she'd like to start paying half of all the bills (with what income?). Or she could sleep naked on the ground and hunt for food during the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 07:35 PM
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Anyone who seriously suggests that SAHMs/housewives work crazy hours or are "constantly on call", that they have the equivalent of several degrees, or that the work is unpaid, is so delusional that they ought to be laughed right out of the room. Also, if any of that was actually true, women should be begging/hustling to be primary breadwinners while finding unemployed househusbands to do all the "real" work for them. Funny how that almost never happens. The fact is that taking care of a modern h…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 07:28 PM
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I started laughing when you tried to explain how the gender that endlessly cries about how they can't find good men are successfully weeding out the ones with bad personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 10:55 AM
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It is friendzone 101 but women usually have single friends and having mutuals is almost like being preapproved, they might even introduce you. Or they make you look more legit in any public space. Women are potentially AMAZING wingmen if they're doing it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 11:06 PM
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I honestly don't know how men meet women in bars. Women never go alone, they always have a group, they don't have to talk to anybody else. Or if they're separate at all, there's probably already a dude there shooting his shot. Plus women distrust men so much anyway that I almost can't believe they actually get to know people there ("almost" because obviously it does happen). Same deal in clubs, at least you could try dancing with someone if you're into that (if not, what are you even doing there…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 11:03 PM
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Some people say "don't shit where you eat"; others say dating coworkers is fine, and then some of those get burned. You want to court trouble? That's on you.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 09:42 PM
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Yes, I think we should support prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 09:41 PM
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Historically, men had all the hard labor jobs, all the dangerous jobs, they did the hunting, scouting, shipping, etc. All that. We also provided security, we were soldiers for armies in times of invasion. We did all the building, maintaining, etc. So women live in a world that has been almost entirely built and provided to them by men. We've reached a point where a lot of that work doesn't need to be done anymore, or is mostly done by machines, depending. Police provide security, standing armies…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 09:25 PM
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Men can get tied. It does cost, what, a couple thousand, out of pocket? (Ins ain't gonna pay for that) The best time for it, of course, is when you're young and can't afford it. Also, it's theoretically reversible but in reality you'd better be sure you NEVER want kids, or I've heard you can deep freeze some sperm for later (but I bet that's not cheap either, remember it has to be stored too, for years, and I don't know how viable it is afterward).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 09:03 PM
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From everything I've heard ADs make it harder to orgasm, but they don't make you stop being attracted to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 08:58 PM
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I can get myself off, that's no problem. Sometimes I want to hold a pretty woman. Kiss one. Grip a tit. That's not stuff dudes can do for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 08:56 PM
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Are you seriously suggesting that marriage convinces women to have sex with men, when there's massive amounts of anecdotal evidence saying that sex tends to dry up after marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 08:54 PM
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I think men are probably disposable there too. Egalitarianism isn't going to fix anything as long as even the egalitarians don't care about men.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 07:17 PM
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"Women make less money than men" but they never count government benefits or support from men in the total.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 06:33 PM
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Social media lets weirdos find each other. This is good if you have an obscure hobby or something. But it also allows people to disconnect from their local communities and enter into online echo chambers where wacko ideas that could never survive in the real world can be normalized and the people who espouse them can find the validation they would never get from their community. (Critics would say the same about this sub, of course.) But to what extent is this actually changing culture as a whol…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 06:32 PM
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You let a woman hug you at work? Yeesh. If you'd been fired, that would have been why. Treat your female coworkers like they're literally covered in plague.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 10:48 AM
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HR protects the company. Sounds like this woman is a middle manager, not the CEO. Showing up to HR's office with a "hi, here is a damaging lawsuit waiting to happen" will make them reduce liability. Middle managers can and do get fired for shit like this, HR doesn't always fall on that grenade. edit: Oh, she's actually C-suite. Then yeah, fuck HR, compile all your evidence and take it right to the government.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 10:37 AM
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Popper's tolerance paradox. To have a tolerant society, you have to be intolerant of the intolerant. It's usually invoked against Nazis, racists, etc. but it also applies to the woke assholes who get their way by being more shrill and nasty than everyone else around them.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 10:34 AM
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"Sure thing, boss. You're absolutely right." And then you go and do whatever you wanted anyway.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 10:31 AM
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Why are we continuing to approach this problem as a gendered one? I'm a leftist - a real leftist, not one of those woke jokes. Yes, all Americans should absolutely be pounding on class issues. From a socialist point of view, identity politics is poison because it alienates and divides the working class against itself. You might wonder, why am I posting here then? Because it's evident that men are the target of a feminist culture war, and we haven't been fighting, and so we're losing. As a man, I…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 10:29 AM
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Most men actually have very little power. Do we decide laws? Do we steer companies? Are we very influential in our communities? Do we have a vast media platform? No! We're just trapped in a society we didn't make, following rules we might not even agree with, trying to claw out a living from the scraps the rich give us to fight over. We don't usually control anything besides our own bodies/tools and society loves to tell us what we're not allowed to have or not allowed to do. The radfem idea tha…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 10:06 AM
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speaking from experience as a friend of someone that's been used and abused by fuckboys most her life Yeah, no. There are a lot of fuckboys out there but women can usually sniff them out FAST. Your friend got used because she wanted to - or because she was chasing the 10s who attract tons of women and have endless options so they never have to give up anything for female company.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 07:13 AM
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White knights are just an aspect of one of women's big privileges, the privilege to be coddled. I don't know what the hell possesses the white knights to do it, because it's not pussy (knighting doesn't get you pussy, everyone knows that), but they're super annoying. They're worse if they actually have any kind of power at all because they will abuse it to the hilt - and they'll often get away with it, because they were coddling women, which is widely accepted behavior! I was just thinking about…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 07:10 AM
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women do not feel compelled to have no other choice but to subscribe to such a poisonous movement. False dichotomy. Feminism is not necessary for women's rights. What are womens issues Mens Rights activists should pick up? None. Out of scope.
/r/MensRights03/06/15 06:59 PM
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I'm assuming I'm going to catch a lot of hate Why would we hate you? We're pretty trans-friendly here. Most of us, anyway. I think. So I guess my biggest inquiry is how do you think we can move inequality forward? I assume you mean "move equality forward". End feminism, and SJW culture in general. Women's rights are fine, equality is fine, but all the misandry, the victimhood, the lies, the identity politics that determine who is allowed to have their own opinions, and the notion that all harm i…
/r/MensRights03/06/15 06:48 PM
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This bot is surprisingly good at its job, I gotta say.
/r/MensRights03/06/15 06:24 PM
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I just popped in here to post this. VERY good article, even if it veers too far toward kissing SJW ass at times.
/r/MensRights03/06/15 06:23 PM
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I just think feminism is fundamentally illiberal It is. the area of politics that throws me firmly against liberals is always feminism. Feminists aren't liberals, they're "liberals".
/r/MensRights25/05/15 08:47 AM
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Feminist and MRA issues are not a zero sum game. As long as feminism is misandrist and anti-MRA - yes they are.
/r/MensRights25/05/15 08:00 AM
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Stuff like circumcision, selective service and longer prison terms for males was around way before feminism, and you'd be hard pressed to find a feminist who supports them. Feminist: I totally care about gender issues! Justice and equality are super important! Feminism is for everyone! MRA: Here is a men's issue. Feminist: Yawn... No one actually blames feminism for these things. But we note that a movement that bills itself as egalitarian has a suspicious tendency to overlook or dismiss certain…
/r/MensRights25/05/15 07:52 AM
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Can I still be super liberal fit in with the MRM movement, or is it overwhelmingly dominated by right-libertarians? Lots of liberals in the MRM. My political position is very similar to yours from the sound of it, although I tend to take Occupy's view of the Democratic and Republican Parties: they both work for the 1%, they're both corrupt, and we need to save ourselves from both of them. I'm also a big Bernie Sanders supporter, though if he loses the nomination I can promise I won't be voting D…
/r/MensRights25/05/15 07:46 AM
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We're talking about teachers here, not students.
/r/MensRights16/05/15 03:24 PM
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They've been pushing for discriminatory policy and special treatment for years by claiming to be "uncomfortable". Now their chicken is coming home to roost.
/r/MensRights15/05/15 04:00 PM
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It's estrogen poisoning. We should sterilize them all, except for a select group of breeding stock to continue the species until a technological solution is available. /s
/r/MensRights15/05/15 03:52 PM
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That a nominally left-wing political party has appropriated radical and anti-social ideas in the name of liberalism may be wrong but that's still how people understand the dichotomy. ... Right or wrong, people think the Democratic Party is on the left. Then perhaps people should be educated. Given that reality, eventually you have to admit that that IS the left-wing. Language is a living thing. If the popular understanding of "left" or "liberal" is ruined beyond any hope of correction - an outco…
/r/MensRights15/05/15 03:45 PM
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you just put more of an emphasis on Max's role in things as a character whereas I see him as something of an interchangeable catalyst/carrier for whatever that installment's conflict is. See, I don't think he's interchangeable. Like, say you replaced him in every movie. This one's Mad Max, the next one's Raging Rob, after that you get Crazy Craig. Well, that just reduces the whole thing to genre stories, doesn't it? "Post-apocalyptic wasteland; mysterious stranger who's a burnt-out shell of a ma…
/r/MensRights15/05/15 07:23 AM
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Who is illiberal? Where is the line drawn? She draws it pretty clearly at free speech here, and since free speech is valued by real liberals, there's nothing "special" about her definition. See here for example (emphasis mine): Character assassination was the method of discourse favored by Republican Senator Joseph McCarthy; and it was a tenet of the liberal creed to resist such tactics.
/r/MensRights15/05/15 06:58 AM
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Supposed by whom?
/r/MensRights15/05/15 06:52 AM
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There's no interesting story to tell about just Max Rockatansky. He's the same "wounded stoic badass" that we've seen done to death in a million different genres and mediums. Max is about as boring as a "protagonist" can get. He's more of a device to tie together wasteland adventure stories while giving the comfort of a common element. If Fury Road had just been another 90 minutes headlining Max, I would have had no interest in seeing it, because there's just no more story to tell with him - the…
/r/MensRights15/05/15 06:46 AM
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It seems as though feminists, in appropriating gay and non-white struggles, have merged sexual, racial, and gender-preference oppression into one single phenomenon, some sort of straightwhitemale supremacy. They imagine straight white men as being on "team oppressor" (which they also conflate with political conservatism/the right wing) and everyone else as being on "team victim". This is not to say that they don't view, say, black men as being patriarchal - they do - but in the grand scheme of t…
/r/MensRights14/05/15 04:04 PM
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Choose your battles. A feminist event filled with feminists is a great place to start a fight (and lose), but a lousy place to change minds.
/r/MensRights14/05/15 03:33 PM
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its starting to be a shit flinging contest.. Starting? "Sexist, racist, anti-gay! MRA, go away!" - a chant used at the Toronto protests. They've always flung shit at us.
/r/MensRights14/05/15 03:29 PM
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is it really "just out of spite" I prefer to think of it as a political bargaining chip.
/r/MensRights14/05/15 03:22 PM
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I completely agree. Both sexes should have reproductive freedom, but as long as men's reproductive rights are nonexistent and the idea is treated with contempt and confusion, men should oppose reproductive rights for women.
/r/MensRights14/05/15 03:21 PM
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No, you missed a rather salient point here : There's liberalism and then there's contemporary left-wing politics. There's a difference. A big one. I don't think much of your "salient point", to be honest. Part of the problem with discussions like this is that words like "left", "liberal", and "progressive" have been reused and misused so often, for so long, that they're nearly devoid of objective meaning. There is a vast difference between someone who thinks that straight white men and their sup…
/r/MensRights14/05/15 03:09 PM
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I really don't think you're hearing me, so this conversation is losing value for me. But: y'all have been in charge in most societies for most of the history of civilization and these antiquated, harmful ideas come out of that legacy And what were women doing all that time to change the status quo? Was the world solely inhabited and built by men until women were somehow introduced into it, with their role already written in stone by their new hosts? Where in your worldview exists female responsi…
/r/MensRights13/05/15 05:02 PM
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You know, feminism is pretty offensive. The last thing most guys want is to go to a movie like Mad Max and have preachy feminist messages shoved down their throat and the titular character thrown under a bus (figuratively, but maybe literally too, I dunno) to give feminism a platform. But, to me, the outrage seems premature. No one's seen the movie yet, other than some critics who haven't done a review of the movie from an antifeminist perspective. Is it really a sanctimonious glorification of W…
/r/MensRights13/05/15 04:39 PM
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It really shouldn't matter, but does.
/r/MensRights13/05/15 04:17 PM
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So I really don't understand how anybody can be on the political left and still be an MRA. ... The way I see it, leftists push for laws that penalize men (emphasis mine) That's why you can't understand left MRAs: you see straightwhitemale-hating identity politics as a fundamental part of the left. We see it as more like a creeping cancer, or a bodysnatcher that kills liberalism and wears its skin as a mask.
/r/MensRights13/05/15 04:16 PM
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While I respect it, I don't understand how so many MRAs can be so left wing. It's because you can't understand the left. Most of the left can't understand the right either.
/r/MensRights13/05/15 04:08 PM
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If there was, I'd never use it. I just stopped being friendly to strange women. Wish the rest of you would get the fuck on board with my plan.
/r/MensRights12/05/15 09:01 PM
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Oh yay, another thread where some amateur athlete with a chip on his shoulder proclaims obesity a moral failing and insists that anyone can meet society's mainstream beauty ideals if they just conform to the speaker's favored diet and exercise regimen. Frankly, OP, you sound like a giant asshole, and maybe the girl in your story picked up on that.
/r/MensRights12/05/15 08:59 PM
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I believe that when we discuss Teh Patriarchy we should be discussing the ideas that women are automatically better parents and men should be obligated to serve in the military, that women are incapable of committing rape and men are incapable of being victims. You still call it "patriarchy" though. I don't appreciate the implication that the harmful effects of traditional gender roles are in some way masculine in nature or origin, or that I am morally inferior to women because I have more power…
/r/MensRights12/05/15 08:48 PM
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Why is it that so many seem to think that a being woman can't be sexual while retaining full value as a human being with a personality and an identity? "Male gaze." Any attempt to appeal to men's sexual interest, for any reason, is viewed as servile and objectifying (that is, by acting as a sex object, they perpetuate the notion that women are sex objects). I'm honestly not sure how feminism views the lesbian female gaze. I think they assume that as long as it's another woman gazing, you're all …
/r/MensRights12/05/15 08:41 PM
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Here's the problem. Traditional gender roles put men in the position of having to try to maximize their income and women in the position of trying to find a good husband, which is to say a rich one: a doctor, a lawyer, or just someone who "has their life together" (i.e. has some advancement in a chosen career, and possibly a house). Once a man and woman pair up, those same traditional roles have women as homemakers and men as primary earners. Those roles haven't really gone away. There's mountai…
/r/MensRights12/05/15 08:35 PM
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I submit that "feminism" has been hijacked by people pushing an agenda I think feminism is that agenda. I think it was always that agenda, going all the way back to the Seneca Falls convention where men were only allowed to attend if they sat quietly in a corner - is that what equality looks like? How can you have a sexual equality movement when you systematically block out one of the sexes and treat all its members like abusers or second-class "allies" who might be trying to do the right thing …
/r/MensRights12/05/15 07:51 PM
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The college gets paid, right?
/r/MensRights12/05/15 07:28 PM
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Holy shit, sanity.
/r/MensRights12/05/15 07:24 PM
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So, say for example you are interviewing for a job, and a woman is deciding who will get that job. If she selects a woman, solely based on her gender, then she has been sexist. And it even fits their definition of sexism, as she is the one that holds power in that situation. "Women do not hold institutional power in society; men do. It is not possible for women to be sexist toward men as women do not have power as a group. That doesn't change just because one woman somewhere is in a position to …
/r/MensRights12/05/15 07:23 PM
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I saw a titanic shift in the priorities of the left. Soon any one who was a white, straight male was the enemy. This isn't so much a shift in the priorities of the left as the influence of a large subgroup operating within the left that has believed this since long before Occupy. This group is not liberal; it kills liberalism and wears its skin. There are still liberals out there who hold to the principles you agreed with (lots of liberals in this sub!), and they've had just about enough of the …
/r/MensRights12/05/15 07:06 PM
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Why would I call out specific people Because you were asked for examples.
/r/MensRights12/05/15 06:28 PM
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I'd really like to have all y'all as allies rather than enemies. You can; you just have to walk away from feminism. Ditch the label, throw out the misandry, and stop defending a movement that's fundamentally sexist.
/r/MensRights12/05/15 06:27 PM
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I've noticed that feminists tend to view all oppression* as one. It's why they accuse MRAs of racism, sexism, and homophobia all in one breath. It's why clueless white middle-class feminists can pretend to speak on behalf of gays and black people against white supremacy while at the same time silencing and misrepresenting gays and black people. They're not just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks; they believe in a grand unified straightwhitemale supremacy, with You Know What Demographi…
/r/MensRights12/05/15 06:19 PM
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create social policies that encourage men to parent more and women to earn more. Typical insightless feminist crap. Sure, give men paternity leave. Fine. Equality, yo. And then watch the women leave them if dad wants to stay home with the kid and make her go out and earn a living like a man. Watch dads weigh being able to spend time with their new child against the damage it will do to their career, family, and status. Without addressing the true underlying reasons why we have the current arrang…
/r/MensRights12/05/15 06:05 PM
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Bit off topic, but isn't it odd how feminists don't stop at calling things sexist, they also have to call them racist, homophobic, right-wing, etc? Call it throwing shit at a wall if you like, but I think it's more than that. I think many feminists have actually succeeded in convincing themselves that they, as a group, are basically gays and black people. And what I mean when I say that is that they have taken all the oppression they can imagine (except classism, of course, which nobody cares ab…
/r/MensRights08/05/15 05:12 PM
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What do I think? The whole article is bullshit. It implies that women live under constant threat and have to behave accordingly (and therefore reinforces the threat narrative) - yet crime statistics clearly show that men, not women, have the highest risk of being attacked. Score one for female disempowerment and terrorism. Go, feminism!
/r/MensRights08/05/15 04:48 PM
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Looking at that image, I see the line "MEN GET RAPED TOO." Well, that's a start, I guess. But I see the same problem here that I see in feminist assessments of "toxic masculinity": the use of passive voice avoids examination of who or what is actually causing the problem. Is this because feminists don't want to promote women's responsibility for societal ills? I think so. No one doubts that men can be raped; just ask any prison rape joke. What would surprise people to learn is how many women are…
/r/MensRights08/05/15 04:22 PM
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But it's still only women who are harassed and threatened online, amirite?
/r/MensRights08/05/15 04:12 PM
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I'd rather you advocate for equal rights of all genders There are plenty of people looking out for women and very few looking out for men. Women don't need more egalitarianism, men do.
/r/MensRights06/05/15 06:00 PM
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I'm sorry, but are we supposing to be refuting feminist hypersensitivity, or adopting it? Violation? Dehumanization? Really?
/r/MensRights06/05/15 05:58 PM
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Yes, I've been saying this for a long time. That definition is fairly accurate if you actually stop and read what it says, instead of cherry picking "women's rights" and "equality" and skimming over the rest.
/r/MensRights06/05/15 05:12 PM
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Uh huh. So is she going to stop claiming that only women are harassed online?
/r/MensRights06/05/15 04:59 PM
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Oh, okay. So we'll all just overlook the flood of abuse and ridiculous accusations from feminists and pretend it never happened or didn't matter, because Whedon says it's not the reason he left Twitter. So, what - abuse only matters when someone damsels?
/r/MensRights06/05/15 04:58 PM
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Steal away!
/r/MensRights02/05/15 05:56 AM
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Uh huh... and why does this anger need to be channeled, and by whom, and for whose benefit?
/r/MensRights29/04/15 11:09 PM
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This happened SO much.
/r/MensRights29/04/15 05:21 PM
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You mean liberalism. Conservatism has no problem enforcing harmful traditional roles and libertarianism is largely disinterested in equality.
/r/MensRights29/04/15 05:17 PM
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I thought this sub was accepting of trans identities. Who moved the rock?
/r/MensRights29/04/15 07:01 AM
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Depends what you think a "woman" is, I guess.
/r/MensRights29/04/15 06:58 AM
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These questions are terrible. Most are extremely broad generalizations and some are (deliberately, I suspect) ambiguous or loaded with unspoken assumptions. If I were forced to take this, I think I would Neither Agree or Disagree with every question simply out of principle.
/r/MensRights29/04/15 06:50 AM
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We can help you prove it, but we can't make them accept it.
/r/MensRights29/04/15 06:42 AM
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Best thing for you to do is to stay away from college women. Don't hook up with them, don't date them, don't go to parties with them, and if they ask you out or flirt with you, ignore them or let them know that college has become such a hostile environment for men that you would rather not spend time with women while you're there. That won't guarantee that you won't be falsely accused, but it will make it very hard for anyone to make a false accusation stick, and it will absolutely prevent the s…
/r/MensRights28/04/15 03:50 PM
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Well, yes. We know. We didn't do it.
/r/MensRights28/04/15 08:02 AM
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No, but if you take a job then you agreed to do the work for a particular wage. Agreed under duress. I bet if I put a gun to your head and offered you a job for $4/hour (and your life) you'd take whatever it was. That's not consent. I'm very familiar with Ford. Really? I couldn't tell. So you know all about how automakers had trouble finding skilled, reliable workers, how strikes, sabotage, and absenteeism were commonplace, and how Ford addressed this by offering his workers twice the wages ever…
/r/MensRights27/04/15 11:22 PM
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Someone making $0 an hour might. Read up on Henry Ford and his time and see for yourself how well people like low-paying jobs. There's a HUGE difference between slavery and low-wage employment. It's called consent. I don't remember America's poor consenting to the current distribution of capital.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 10:45 PM
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More positions become available as wages drop. So what? Who's going to want a job that pays, say, $4/hour? You can't come close to living on that. Want an economy with full employment? Abolish the minimum wage. Or make slavery legal. But who wants that? Besides employers, I mean.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 10:29 PM
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r/offmychest is known to have censorious feminist-leaning mods.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 09:04 PM
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Well, it's a movement in the sense that everyone, except for some political radicals, is moving in the same direction. Classism isn't just an agenda, it's the status quo. That's why I say it's the most successful.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 08:48 PM
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Labor markets aren't a zero sum game. Then I guess employers won't mind paying more for less, will they? As long as having a decent job is required in order to survive, decent jobs for everyone will continue to be a necessity and having the freedom to work as much as you want will be a luxury. I know lots of single guys that do 40 hours during the week but are bored on the weekends and evenings when they aren't working. Tell them to get a fucking hobby like normal people. Or they could start a s…
/r/MensRights27/04/15 08:44 PM
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Yeah, I don't get the downvotes. Isn't authoritarianism and not being welcome to criticism and debate what is supposed to be so terrible about feminism? In principle, we welcome debate and value free speech and a robust marketplace of ideas. In support of that, I think you'll find that while you might get downvoted here, you won't be banned and your posts won't be deleted; they'll be available for anyone to read who wants to, and in their original context. In practice, though, we get an awful lo…
/r/MensRights27/04/15 08:27 PM
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I am astounded that those who identify as feminists cannot grasp the inherent sexism in the way the laws/theories were framed by them and continue to be framed.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 08:12 PM
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They used to have a "political strategies" page where one of their listed strategies was - I shit you not - following father's rights groups and lobbying against whatever legislation they proposed. I think I saved the page as a PDF somewhere. Taken down now, but it was up as recently as a few years ago.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 08:10 PM
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BULLSHIT. Sorry for the bold, but there's an important point here: this debate is bullshit because its terms are not adequately defined. First, what is feminism? I can say without a doubt that David (whose position we are all familiar with here, I think) and, uh, Ricky have different definitions for feminism. Crucially, David views all feminism as having certain core assumptions or tenets that are fundamentally misandrist - so it doesn't matter if you're a liberal feminist or a radical feminist …
/r/MensRights27/04/15 07:59 PM
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this Meninism stuff shows people's true colours and I really do like that.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 07:11 PM
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You can still find plenty of estranged parents talking about the court system.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 07:09 PM
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lol, not bad
/r/MensRights27/04/15 07:04 PM
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"Should be", then. Educating children means more than filling their heads with facts. If someone can't dress themselves appropriately even with guidelines to tell them how, they obviously need remedial work. Once the offending girl learns to wear clothes properly, she's welcome to come back and learn about quadratics and Napoleon.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 06:59 PM
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During lunch, a huge feminist comes up to me and asks how it feels to be a fucking asshole. "You should know."
/r/MensRights27/04/15 06:53 PM
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A lot of people tell nasty lies about us. We're always glad when someone comes and learns the truth for themselves. We do get a number of trolls too so I hope you'll understand if some people treat you with suspicion. (Also, the word you're looking for is "wary", not "weary".)
/r/MensRights27/04/15 06:38 PM
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Women marry up. And that's the crucial point: even when feminists pretend to support men by being in favor of house-husbands and paternal leave, they are well aware that we still live in a society that looks down on men for not being providers, and therefore all the "equality" they're pushing will never actually help the majority of men. In order to pursue social equality, feminists would have to criticize women's behaviors and preferences. The last time feminists turned on women (by criticizing…
/r/MensRights27/04/15 06:24 PM
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They do like mitigating lawsuits, though. It's possible to profit from entities that don't give a fuck about you, as long as you know what motivates them.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 06:14 PM
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Regardless of her beliefs, what she's doing is hostile, aggressive, rude, and harassing, and she has no right to do it. Make it clear to her that you don't appreciate her behavior and you want her to stop harassing you. If she doesn't stop, start complaining up the chain. Regardless of how female-dominated your field is or what sex the leadership is, this is your only formal avenue for getting the problem addressed, so it's the one you'll need to follow. While you're doing this, you should defin…
/r/MensRights27/04/15 06:11 PM
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Let's get to the point where everyone can comfortably survive working 40 hours a week or less; after that, the overachiever workaholics can work as much as they want.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 06:00 PM
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Feminism has succeeded due to basically two factors: institutional control and extreme authoritarianism. The internet is creating a freer marketplace of ideas. While it's true (and concerning) that feminists still have influence and control in academia, government, and the mainstream media, the internet is making it easier for people to spread messages that feminists can't control, and it's making it easier for those people to find each other and organize. People are also starting to get tired o…
/r/MensRights27/04/15 05:51 PM
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I don't know why you keep getting downvoted... oh wait, yes I do. It's because capitalists defend pro-capitalism narratives the way feminists defend patriarchy and rape culture narratives. Feelz, whether due to imagined gendered oppression or chest-thumping pride in class division and the belief that poverty is the result of moral inadequacy, are all that matter; facts are an inconvenient nuisance that must be buried.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 05:35 PM
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The most successful hate movement is classism: so omnipresent, so fundamental to our way of life, that we no more perceive it than we perceive the movement of the Earth through space. Countless pundits, economists, and know-nothing blowhards on the internet insist that not only is classism fair and just, it's impossible to eliminate and anything we do to correct it will make everyone worse off.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 05:30 PM
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Stop whining and man up. Real men don't let sexism bother them. ...is what your detractors seem to be saying. Makes me wonder why they're here.
/r/MensRights26/04/15 03:56 PM
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Meh. For a Dem to be pro-choice, pro-gay, etc is like for me to walk down the street and not kick anyone in the nuts. It's not really an accomplishment, it's an expectation. What do they want, a fucking cookie?
/r/MensRights26/04/15 03:51 PM
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What sort of idiot would vote for this bitch? SJWs and Obama apologists, obviously.
/r/MensRights26/04/15 03:48 PM
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None of these candidates interest me, and I don't think they'd do well in the general election. They're too boring and inoffensive. If Dems want to run the next Al Gore, John Kerry, etc. then all of these would probably be fine choices.
/r/MensRights26/04/15 03:46 PM
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What the FUCK does this have to do with men's rights? I know we talk politics sometimes in here, but c'mon!
/r/MensRights26/04/15 03:31 PM
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Well, AVFM serves as a kind of bad cop, in that their message and tone are more aggressive, more accusatory. MR Edmonton, too. So feminists can deal with people who are trying to make reasonable arguments, or they can deal with "Don't Be THAT Girl". Of course, feminists don't deal with reason well and would rather just throw tantrums, but there it is.
/r/MensRights25/04/15 06:00 AM
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It's really a reactionary force A reactionary force would be trying to return to an earlier status quo. I prefer to think of the MRM as a "response", something that exists because of feminism but is trying to chart a new path forward, not simply go backward.
/r/MensRights25/04/15 05:56 AM
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This is why I find it so sickening when they claim to support certain men's issues. Even if the words sound nice, the solutions invariably involve smashing the patriarchy, fixing toxic masculinity, and elevating women. When you tell them about men's issues, they say "that's patriarchy". But for some reason it's a kind of patriarchy they can't ever be bothered to smash; they just tell you "moar feminism" and when you ask how men's issues are supposed to be addressed by feminism they don't really …
/r/MensRights25/04/15 05:52 AM
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What that means is they don't actually believe in the oppression framing. I think that many of them (though perhaps not the leaders, the most outspoken, etc) think they believe in it. It's just that their view of oppression is so distorted that they can't tell it doesn't make any sense. They have a blind, religion-like faith in it.
/r/MensRights25/04/15 05:45 AM
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you have to realize that their actions are justified (or at least not as crazy) when considered within the context of the world-view where men are oppressors and women are oppressed. Except that that worldview itself is crazy. Look, I'm all for understanding your opponent, but our opponent is not rational. Understand them all you want, you can't build a bridge to Crazytown. Target this, and the rest comes falling down. Target it how? Antifeminists of all stripes have found examples of men's issu…
/r/MensRights25/04/15 05:40 AM
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Any anti-1% jacking off is welcome here or anywhere. It doesn't how bad Republicans are, electing Hillary is not going to help anyone but her sponsors. Sanders and Warren need to get together and decide which of them is going to challenge Clinton in the primary, cause both or neither would be bad. And Americans need to start seriously thinking about how to get big money out of politics, end gerrymandering, and reform elections to provide third parties with a level playing field, instead of meekl…
/r/MensRights24/04/15 11:07 PM
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No worries... Miss Mustafa recently graduated from Goldsmiths with an MA in gender and media studies.
/r/MensRights24/04/15 06:57 PM
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I was debating with a male feminist. Why? Don't waste your time unless you have a fair-minded and rational audience.
/r/MensRights24/04/15 04:04 PM
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Petty power corrupts all out of proportion to actual power.
/r/MensRights24/04/15 07:50 AM
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Sounds more like GG tricked Anne Wheaton into directly donating to FemFreq. Which, actually, really means that FemFreq tricked Anne Wheaton into donating to FemFreq. A fool and their money...
/r/MensRights24/04/15 07:18 AM
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a large number of the women who work in the industry are human sex slaves and have nightmares for lives ...according to feminist anti-prostitution activists who have an axe to grind and can't be trusted as far as you can throw them. Some prostitutes choose their jobs and like them. Those people should be allowed to do business without sex-negative feminists and the moral majority directing police to get up in their shit and harass them or their customers. And if prostitution were decriminalized,…
/r/MensRights24/04/15 12:25 AM
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Knives aren't very heavy. Most women can lift them.
/r/MensRights23/04/15 07:15 PM
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Tenants are people who live in rented or leased housing. The word you want is "tenets". And subjective experience is never "wrong". Careful with this one. Your perception of events is incontrovertible - barring mental illness, drug use, etc. - but both your memory of what you perceive and your interpretation of it can be false. Give ya an example. One time, as I was leaving a bar (sober) and crossing a parking lot, a black woman who was a complete stranger to me pulled up next to me in a truck, …
/r/MensRights23/04/15 12:31 AM
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Gender equality is taking a turn for the better and more people are realizing the social injustice that women experience at times. Recognizing only social injustice that affects women is not taking a turn for the better; it can only exacerbate gynocentrism.
/r/MensRights23/04/15 12:03 AM
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Men can't be feminists. Just ask feminists.
/r/MensRights23/04/15 12:01 AM
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Goddammit. Why didn't you post this earlier? I've already raped six. If only someone had reminded me...!
/r/MensRights22/04/15 10:30 PM
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I was just curious as to why a majority of the things I was reading about the MRM was negative against females. Consider the speaker.
/r/MensRights22/04/15 05:58 PM
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I don't see this as a bad thing, necessarily. But the big concern here is who is directing these discussions, how they are being framed, and what information the boys are or are not being provided with; what could be a useful venue for critical thought and discussion about gender and masculinity could just as easily be turned into a feminist indoctrination camp.
/r/MensRights22/04/15 05:43 PM
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I've seen a lot of articles lately about how MRAs are boycotting all women. Not true. And even a YouTube video about how female MRAs are worse than feminists. Can't believe everything you hear, I suppose. I'm sure that plenty of women out there firmly belive and support male rights. We have some right here in this sub.
/r/MensRights22/04/15 05:40 PM
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forced military service. That's a big fucking deal Oh, good. I'm glad you agree. But outside of that, when it comes to everyday life... I can't think of anything. A lot of things on the list of "things women can't do", but not much on the list of "things men have to do". Succeed without help. Support women and children through charity or service, if they want to be respected as full adults. Initiate almost any sexual or romantic relationship, even though doing so is becoming increasingly legally…
/r/MensRights22/04/15 05:36 PM
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Having limited opportunities available to you does not mean that you can't do as you please. I'm pretty sure it does, unless you're incredibly unambitious. Women were told (and currently are, in some parts of the world) you can't do this, that, that, and that because of your gender. And men didn't have that happen to them. No, instead men were told "you MUST do this, this, this, and this" because of their gender. I swear to god, if someone set up a torture chamber and only tortured men in it, so…
/r/MensRights22/04/15 04:13 AM
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Life wasn't awesome for men, but they had the freedom to do as they pleased The vast majority of men throughout history have not had the freedom to do as they pleased. Many men lived in societies with little social mobility. Their job opportunities were typically limited, most jobs didn't pay much, and most jobs involved hard labor. Most men did not and could not own significant amounts of property. And men had obligations because of their gender role ranging from being expected to fight in othe…
/r/MensRights21/04/15 09:33 PM
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Why waste the effort?
/r/MensRights21/04/15 09:22 PM
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Ugh, downvoting for Alex Jones.
/r/MensRights21/04/15 09:22 PM
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There's that empathy and objectivity feminism is known for.
/r/MensRights21/04/15 05:30 PM
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The comments on that article are predictably disappointing. But I note that there are no substantial objections or criticisms to the MRM there (or to the position that men should not marry), only warmed-over false generalizations that are trivially dismissed and petty personal attacks.
/r/MensRights21/04/15 05:28 PM
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How are they NOT comparable? Because one happens to women, obviously.
/r/MensRights21/04/15 08:04 AM
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The circumcised guys sit in a corner Sitting in the corner is traditional for dunces, so great. But you should wear the caps, too. "Cutting up babies who can't give consent is barbaric and should be stopped." "Yeah, well, I don't have a problem with my circumcision. Why is this such a big deal?" "Cutting up babies who can't give consent is barbaric and should be stopped." "People should have the right to choose for themselves." "Fine, but babies can't choose." "All you're doing is shaming circum…
/r/MensRights21/04/15 08:02 AM
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Nonconformity.
/r/MensRights21/04/15 07:53 AM
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Sigh heavily, like I do every other time the 1%'s candidate wins.
/r/MensRights21/04/15 07:51 AM
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In general, feminists believe they are entitled to air their political beliefs without anyone who disagrees with them being allowed to do the same.
/r/MensRights20/04/15 06:07 PM
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Obviously they want men to pee on the floor... in the women's restroom.
/r/MensRights20/04/15 04:26 PM
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A lot of people are focused on whether the HBB technically broke some rule (thus making their expulsion "okay" somehow) or on trying to guess what their true intent was. None of that is the real issue. The real issue is that they were thrown out because a tiny, vocal minority didn't approve of their politics. As most of you know, feminists don't want to have a conversation, they want to lecture from a pulpit. In service to that ideal, the con wants to lecture from a pulpit and will not tolerate …
/r/MensRights20/04/15 06:18 AM
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Because users have no power.
/r/MensRights19/04/15 02:14 AM
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Feminist/MRA is a fine position to hold. It's not. You can't simultaneously have membership in a group that advocates for men and one that's consciously misandrist.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 06:59 AM
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Seems to me majority of these white flag feminists aren't even schooled on their OWN MOVEMENT! They really aren't. They're really only familiar with a handful of mainstream feminist causes/talking points, they know almost nothing about feminism's history, they know almost nothing about men's rights, they think they're "into" feminism and know a whole lot about it because they talk to other clueless feminists who are just like themselves. And then they come here and try to extend an olive branch …
/r/MensRights17/04/15 06:55 AM
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Seriously, she's trying to talk to us and reach an understanding of our values. Not really.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 06:30 AM
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"Is there any way we can work together? Oh, but I don't really know anything about your issues and can't be bothered to spend time learning about them."
/r/MensRights17/04/15 06:24 AM
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you're arguing at right angles to one another. We're not. I'm perfectly aware of biology's role; I called it out in an earlier post. I'm also aware that how you use the voice your biology gives you is socialized - not just speech pattern, but pitch and tone, something that he doesn't seem to be able to grasp, probably because he's a fucking idiot.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 06:22 AM
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Are you mentally ill? Go ask any trans person or drag queen about learning how to speak like the opposite gender; I presume most of them will be familiar with the concept.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 11:57 PM
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Men and women dont speak with different voices because they are socialized to do so. Your position is demonstrably false. I'm done arguing with you.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 11:17 PM
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Now odds are that they might want to break up the friendship with you for not agreeing with them. Well in that case, they have a humungous character flaw - and they never valued your friendship in any meaningful way in the first place. See, I don't think that's necessarily true. If they never really valued your friendship then they would have treated you exactly like they would have treated any other fellow believer. But they didn't, did they? They hung out with you, helped you with stuff. There…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 11:09 PM
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What exactly is a gender "role"? Off the top of my head: A gender role is a collection of behaviors attached to a particular gender; anyone of that gender is expected to conform to those behaviors, and those who do not conform may be socially sanctioned. I'd go further and argue that how others perceive and treat you because of your gender is probably part of your gender role, particularly in that it affects your own behavior. I think everyone in here knows men and women are different. I think t…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 10:56 PM
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We're not the liars, though. Take your bullshit and go, please. We are not interested in working with people who support misandry.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:30 PM
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I am an egalitarian, I am also a feminist. Not possible as feminism is anti-equality. I'm not abandoning my ship, I'm going to pitch in and save her. Talk is cheap. I don't think the MRM has any use for you. Bye now.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:26 PM
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I could see that he was really perturbed as I began to explain some of what I have learnt over the years, and to express my utter cynicism about feminist use of statistics. He became quite upset and we had to end the conversation. I realised that it would have been better if I had said either nothing at all, or very little, as he is someone I like and respect and I didn't want to upset him. The problem as I see it, is the differing interpretation of history. Once you have accepted ideas such as …
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:20 PM
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I do not stand with them just because they elect to carry the same banner as I do. If you're carrying the same banner, you are standing together.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:14 PM
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Fine. Go into feminist communities and tell them that MRAs are for equality and that we should work together. Then, when you read the nasty, critical responses and the lies, ask yourself how we could possibly work with people like that.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:13 PM
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I don't really think it's patriarchy theory anymore if you rip out all the man blaming and gender bias. We all know here that traditional gender roles impose limits and obligations on men; I think most of us regard that as a harmful thing (the rest are redpillers and tradcons). It's just that we don't have a name for that thing, and we don't want to use "patriarchy" or "kyriarchy" because of the baggage those words have. Of course, this formulation is incomplete without some examination of women…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:06 PM
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There are at least enough good, rational individuals out there who support feminism that the camps I am active in do not actively engage in any of these activities. If you support equality and don't support feminist hate, you and your friends should hold hands and walk out of feminism together, rather than continuing to validate it by identifying as feminist. The MRM welcomes egalitarians.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:01 PM
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The fundamentals are based on equality No. The fundamentals are based on a myth that men as a class unilaterally oppress women as a class, that only men have power in society, and that the way to equality is to take power and privilege away from men and give it to women instead. From the very beginning, feminism has denied or ignored the existence of female privilege and power and demanded all the benefits of the traditional male role, with none of the accompanying obligations and limitations th…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:58 PM
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Feminism is a toxic misandrist female supremacy movement. So no, we can't work with feminists. We will never work with feminists. However, feminism has been selling itself as an equality movement for decades, so there are a lot of gender egalitarians who are familiar with gender critical theory who mistakenly call themselves "feminists" because they don't know any better and have been exposed to mostly feminist material. We can work with those. Of course, since feminism is misandry, we would nee…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:54 PM
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Yes, but "the system is rigged against you" is not the same as "there's nothing you can do". Odds are that we won't be able to elect a third party outright - not just because of FPTP but also campaign funding, media bias, etc. But just getting 5% to vote for a third party would, supposedly, get that party a spot in the official debates. More votes for a party creates a feedback effect where that party becomes more credible and collects more campaign donations (including bribes, yes) and gets mor…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:44 PM
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Should we join the Democratic party to select a different nominee, or is it impossible? I'd say, let's see who runs. If the primary is worth getting into because someone worth supporting actually runs, then get into it. Otherwise, look to third parties. Should we cross the aisle to the Republican party to find an alternative we can stand? I've been advocating voting Republican in order to send Democrats a very strong message about their candidate choices and platform, but I can't imagine any oth…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:36 PM
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Exactly right. You'll notice that feminists will whine all day about their feels and their microaggressions and how they think society sees them, but the instant a man says "hey, wait - what you said isn't cool" they start making excuses for it and justifying it instead of listening and learning like they keep telling us to do. Or worse, they double down: "omg, what about the menzzz??" "male tears" "whiny pissbabies and their fee-fees" Smug fucking hypocrites.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:27 PM
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But why choose a word favoring one gender? Stock feminist answers: "Feminism is for equality, but it's women who are oppressed." "Feminism is for equality, but changing the name would erase women's historic struggles and/or contributions." "PATRIARCHY!!! GRAAAAAAUUUGH" "Why does the name matter? It's just a word."
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:19 AM
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Conflict triggers me. Mods, please delete this thread.
/r/MensRights15/04/15 09:15 PM
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Feminism is for everyone, except for everyone it is not for. It has ever been thus.
/r/MensRights15/04/15 09:14 PM
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it’s kinda weird to use voter turnout as a measure of political influence when the viable presidential nominees are always men. There is a false assumption that should be addressed here, which is that men and women are separate teams fighting for dominance and that whichever team has more people in office is winning because those officials will favor their team. In fact, women's suffrage was legislated by men; alimony and child support was legislated by men; the famous Roe v. Wade abortion decis…
/r/MensRights15/04/15 09:11 PM
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How on earth did a good definition get into a patriarch's dictionary? Oh wait, I know: it must be WYMYN POWYR! Except that women have no power, because patriarchy. What?
/r/MensRights15/04/15 07:12 PM
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dictionary definition Oh. You mean the one in the dictionary that can't be trusted whenever its definitions are inconvenient to feminists because it was written by white patriarchs?
/r/MensRights15/04/15 05:23 PM
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There's probably a good reason for that.
/r/MensRights15/04/15 05:22 PM
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Feminism really is the Catholicism of gender.
/r/MensRights15/04/15 05:21 PM
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No, there is no "except". College men should make it plain that they want nothing to do with college women and that it's a direct result of the push to demonize men, criminalize ordinary sexual behavior by men, and eliminate due process for men. She can be scorned all she fucking likes, as long as she can't get any male affection and she's made to understand why. I mean, ideally, they should. It ain't gonna happen, although there are signs that some individual men are backing away from women.
/r/MensRights15/04/15 05:17 PM
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The majority of prospective employees, I'd guess, have little to no bargaining power to begin with. The employer may pretend to leave compensation open for negotiation during the interview, but in fact, they have a number in mind, and if the prospective employee doesn't like it, there's a second choice and a third and a fourth right behind them who could probably do the job just as well. It is extremely rare that a position is so hard to fill or a prospect is so desirable that they can simply as…
/r/MensRights15/04/15 05:03 PM
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Wu went on to point out that the study doesn’t consider why women are harassed more than men when they use online services like Xbox Live or why women game journalists get more threats than their male counterparts. Maybe the researchers correctly felt that would be begging the question.
/r/MensRights15/04/15 04:51 PM
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I don't know why you're getting downvoted. This isn't really any crazier an idea than all college men taking personal vows of chastity, which, frankly, would probably be in those men's best interests.
/r/MensRights15/04/15 04:49 PM
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"Why am I being guilt-tripped to join a STEM field while your dumb ass majors in gender studies? You chose to major in gender studies. You will probably get a job related to gender studies. That job will probably pay like shit. Congratulations, ya big dumb idiot, you're the reason a wage gap exists!" Fucking pwnt.
/r/MensRights15/04/15 04:45 PM
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She said the bill's sponsor, Sen. Kelli Stargel, R-Lakeland, had not conducted any review of how the bill could financially affect people receiving alimony. Because that's not the point. The point is to make a fairer law. Fucking adapt, or don't.
/r/MensRights14/04/15 11:27 PM
6

AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA no
/r/MensRights14/04/15 11:22 PM
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these things makes us look bad. It makes people not take us seriously. And it gives the feminists good points to use against us. Your concern has been noted.
/r/MensRights14/04/15 04:43 PM
3

Fucking right. The Obama apologists overlook that. But not everyone on the left does. Obama belongs in a cell, next door to Dubya and Dick Cheney.
/r/MensRights14/04/15 04:32 PM
2

Hear hear.
/r/MensRights14/04/15 06:05 AM
1

patriarchy What is patriarchy? Is it a majority of men in positions of formal authority? Is it an unconscious conspiracy by men to oppress women for their own benefit? Is it traditional gender roles? Is it the devil? Is it a denial of men's individuality that reduces all men everywhere to accomplices in an imaginary crime? Ask two feminists for long enough and you'll get at least three answers. And you're asking me, do I believe this thing exists whose nature and identity feminists can't even ag…
/r/MensRights14/04/15 05:41 AM
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The goal of feminists is equality for the male and female gender Wrong. That would be the goal of gender egalitarians. Feminists do not seek equality. its goals are ... to dismantle a system that has historically favored men and masculinity. There's no such system. Congratulations, you win.
/r/MensRights14/04/15 12:35 AM
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"Poor black people men need to learn their place and stop saying "good morning" to white people women. How dare they speak to us in public?"
/r/MensRights13/04/15 06:46 PM
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Your dishonesty is evident from your framing. I'm done talking to you.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 06:44 PM
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Hang on, I've got a tiny violin around here somewhere that I play for wealthy people's problems.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 06:43 PM
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My point is though, an effective strategy sometimes involves compromise TELL ME HOW YOUR STRATEGY WORKS. EXPLAIN IT. When you have to consciously think through how electing Democrat after Democrat who will not address America's biggest problems will solve America's biggest problems, when you break down how this is actually supposed to work into steps small and concrete enough to explain to another person who does not share your unconscious assumptions, you will come to realize that your strategy…
/r/MensRights13/04/15 06:41 PM
35

Real Men don't let others categorically define them.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 06:08 PM
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Ask him what a man should do when he's being attacked by a woman when both the police and the public will automatically take the woman's side and consider him a violent abuser if he lifts one finger to defend himself.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 05:46 PM
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Sure, sure. "It's for the children." Sounds very enlightened and all. Don't make the innocent suffer. Except that its still sexist. According to this, if a woman wants to not be held accountable for their crimes, all they need is a child to use as a legal human shield, and that's disgusting. Men will rarely if ever be in the same position due to the bias against single fathers. Furthermore, it supposes that the best interest of the child aligns with being raised by a convicted criminal, which is…
/r/MensRights13/04/15 05:36 PM
1

Diversity in the work place shouldn't be the goal, if people believe all people are equal then workplace diversity is naturally going to improve. But until then, actively pursuing diversity ensures more opportunity and representation for social minorities who might otherwise not get it. It should be done within reason, of course, not to the extent that employers can't hire qualified workers.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 05:28 PM
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"Oh. You wear all this for yourself? Is that it?" "That's right!" "Well, how do you know it's working?" "Huh?" "How do you know when you look hot? How can you tell?" "I know because men...uhh..." "Thought so."
/r/MensRights13/04/15 08:41 AM
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What bluff? There's no bluff. You found dozens of results. You sound like one of those idiots who claim that we only care about cis-heterosexual white men because we don't talk enough about other men's issues. You want more posts about male homelessness, suicide, bias in primary education? Stop nagging and be the fucking change. Christ.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 08:32 AM
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Reading comprehension. Get some.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 08:27 AM
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Or countries that have the ability to invest meaningfully in "women and girls" have more developed infrastructure and more stable societies and government, without which they wouldn't be investing shit in shit, and the reason the ability to invest manifests as investment in "women and girls" (really schooling, small business loans, etc) is because of gynocentrism and the desire to appear more civilized than others who do not make special efforts to appear to be concerned with the state of women …
/r/MensRights13/04/15 08:17 AM
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Given the current anomie, I'd say: offer to split, and if he wants to pay the whole thing, let him. First dates aren't the time for hashing out your respective roles in a relationship that doesn't even exist yet, they're to see whether you want a second date or not.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 08:10 AM
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These new excuses about the cost of makeup and manicures is a new one they've come up with and I don't buy it. Reminds me of the grossly inflated estimates of a housewife's value - you know, the ones that say that microwaving chicken nuggets for your kid and then getting them to eat them all makes you the equivalent of a chef and a psychologist, so somebody (never identified) should be paying you six figures to raise your own children and clean your own home.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 08:05 AM
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Probably less topical. Feminism is an active anti-male force with a significant media footprint, so there's a little more urgency to talk about the things they talk about - countering lies and bullshit is more pressing than countering silence. You can call that reactionary if you like, but I don't think that's the right word for it. Still, if you actually read the sub, you will see those issues you named get mentioned again and again and again.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 07:00 AM
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Well, many people have noted feminism's conservatism. How long do you suppose it'll be before feminists demand to go back into the kitchen? And, of course, whenever I see something like this, I think about all the NAFALTers and "good feminists" who appear to be doing fuck-all to oppose this in the public view. Such brave women.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 06:52 AM
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Martin O'Nobody? Somehow, I have my doubts. edit: You know, when Obama came out of nowhere to win the primary for the 2008 election, people said he was a do-nothing Senator, a Chicago crook, a bullshitter who talked a lot about hope but wasn't credible. And they were right. I'm saying this as a liberal, you understand. He "compromised" with Republicans even when they used it against him, he abandoned single payer or Medicare-for-all schemes and gave us Romneycare, he used drones to murder civili…
/r/MensRights13/04/15 05:52 AM
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You can't even walk down a street in New York for ten hours anymore without some nigger saying good morning to you. MISOGYNY!
/r/MensRights13/04/15 05:51 AM
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Guys, raise your hands if most of the women you date obviously went shopping for new clothes and dragged themselves through the salon, spa, etc. right before going out with you. Yeah, no, I didn't think so.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 05:41 AM
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Another person's 'expectation' DOES NOT obligate me to fulfill that expectation. In the sense in which the article is using it, yes, that's exactly what it means.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 05:39 AM
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Women are entitled to have a man "cough up for a couple’s first excursion, whether it costs him $50 or $500" Women are not entitled to have a man.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 05:36 AM
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None of the issues you mention are neglected. They all get discussed here.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 05:35 AM
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I don't think this is something that's really an issue. You would if you were a guy looking for a place to live and your options were sharply limited because of pervasive misandry.
/r/MensRights12/04/15 08:30 PM
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I consider your position to be essentially Robb Stark logic: "If I execute Lord Karstark, half my army will abandon me overnight, and I'll lose all my fortifications..... but I'm going to do it anyways, because it's the right thing to do." Been a while since I read those books, so you'll have to remind me: was half of Robb's army a bunch of traitors and lazy layabouts who wouldn't fight? Because that's pretty much the Democrats. If Hilary loses, we're looking at a minimum four years of totally u…
/r/MensRights12/04/15 05:05 PM
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The type of change you're talking about is generally a multi-decade process. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Where's your step? Sounds to me like you're refusing to budge from your spot. The Rs in congress just passed the most barbaric budget proposal imaginable, and were it not for our DEMOCRAT president, it would certainly become law. That's absolutely terrifying. What's absolutely terrifying is how easy it is to convince large portions of the American public that the …
/r/MensRights12/04/15 05:37 AM
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Okay... who do you propose to be a democratic party candidate who is viable to beat the republicans - who universally oppose civil rights for gay men? Well, if Bernie Sanders was serious about running, I'd name him. I don't think he is. If Warren was serious about running, I'd name her. I don't think she's going to announce her candidacy. Fact is, I don't think we have any good Democratic candidates right now. And that is precisely the problem. Democrats think they don't have to earn votes - all…
/r/MensRights12/04/15 05:28 AM
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Fuck yes. I tried to toe the line, for a while. They'd bitch about liberals or the left, whatever, make fun of us, blame us for feminism, tell lies about us based in ignorance, and I'd just say "hey, don't make it political. We're here for the same thing." I turned the other cheek a lot. And you know what happened? They didn't stop. See, there's nothing to make them stop. Nothing forces them to act like adults. Oh, what, they get a few downvotes? BFD. They whine about liberal Reddit, liberal med…
/r/MensRights12/04/15 05:12 AM
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And you plan to beat it with statistics?
/r/MensRights12/04/15 05:06 AM
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That is assuming that would even happen, which we have no reason to believe it would. It's happening right now. You've heard of Henry Ford, right? What was he famous for? Cars? Assembly lines? Sure. But he also had this crazy idea. He believed that in order for his company to prosper, he should pay his workers enough to buy the products they manufactured - double what everyone else was paying. He believed that the wealth generating power of capitalism, together with this principle, could end war…
/r/MensRights12/04/15 05:05 AM
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Don't you lecture me on who to downvote, you son of a bitch. Downvoting. He specifically said by relying on facts, statistics, and shit like that ...that, if he's right, no one will give a fuck about because who cares if it's unfair, they're just men? We have to believe that the empathy gap is beatable, or else we're all wasting our time here.
/r/MensRights12/04/15 02:41 AM
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That would reduce the entire country to poverty and destroy production. It appears the wealthy only care about relative position. They don't care how bad off we all are, as long as they're the ones on top. They're the opposite of utilitarians. I would like to know how libertarians would sell us to the "wealthy"? Eliminating worker rights and protections in favor of a "free" labor market (that no one can actually leave, so it's not really free) while enshrining the rights of property owners (i.e.…
/r/MensRights11/04/15 08:06 PM
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I think his post deserves better than a sarcastic response. I don't. it really is a blunt reality that avoiding that weakness will get us respect. You really think the MRM will get "respect" - as in, public acceptance and agreement - if we act all tough and stoic? And once we've manned up, exactly how are we going to address the men's issues that suddenly even we can't say we care about because we're so macho? Do you really think that the problems rooted in male disposability and the empathy gap…
/r/MensRights11/04/15 07:55 PM
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Misandry is fashionable, and who do you think its biggest market is? People who are not men.
/r/MensRights11/04/15 03:54 PM
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Your concern has been noted.
/r/MensRights11/04/15 03:48 PM
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So I'm arguing with a feminist in real life about the pay gap Unless you have an audience who's open to hearing your side, never argue with a feminist - it's a waste of time.
/r/MensRights11/04/15 12:26 AM
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Noooo... you invented a class of "technical feminists" who care about equality. There is no such thing. Feminism is not and never has been about equality.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 11:37 PM
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AHAHAHAHAHAAH no. Do you actually read anything besides Daily Kos?
/r/MensRights10/04/15 10:53 PM
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MattClark is "short bus" special.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 10:51 PM
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It was a compromise that sold us out to private insurance companies. Yes, some people have benefited, but don't pretend this was a win for the American people.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 10:48 PM
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Egalitarians care about equality. Feminism is a misandrist female supremacy group that hides behind claims of equality. Get it right.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 10:47 PM
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Were not against each other The evidence does not bear this out. we all have different political ideologies and letting that get in between us doesn't solve anything And yet the righties just can't give up their left-bashing. You shouldn't be surprised that the lefties are sick of it.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 10:45 PM
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Voting third party only takes away votes from the candidate better suited. You've got it backwards. The last Democrat we had who did anything really good for America was Johnson, and we haven't had a good Democrat survive the primaries since then. Third parties are better suited. A turkey sandwich would be better suited. Also: if the Dems run Hillary, and there's no compelling third party candidate, I will vote Republican just to teach Democrats they actually have to earn my vote. Stick that in …
/r/MensRights10/04/15 10:43 PM
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Congratulations. You understand how you're being screwed. You understand that the people in power have inherited a system that makes it easy to remain in power, and you know how that system works. Now, think. How can our present institutions be subverted? What power does the public still have? How can they use that power, and how can they be organized? Is there any way to force change by degrees? Is there any way to upset the status quo? First past the post is like one of those "locked room" puz…
/r/MensRights10/04/15 10:33 PM
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Conservatism and Liberalism is based on one thing: the status quo. Actually, liberalism is based on the ideas of Enlightenment-era writers, particularly John Locke (although you could probably throw Adam Smith in there as well), and the people who refined and expanded their ideas. When Jefferson said that workers disenfranchised by the destruction of the commons should be compensated, that was liberal. When Thomas Paine said that we should prevent the growth of money power through taxation and r…
/r/MensRights10/04/15 10:28 PM
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I voted for Stein last time, and I don't regret that - but since the last election she's been pushing feminism really hard, and it's leaving a really bad taste in my mouth. The only way I'd consider giving her another vote now is if she runs an amazing campaign, something that would create enough public awareness and interest that I could actually see the Greens getting to 5%. That would be worth it to me. But if it's just a token vote, she's lost me.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 10:14 PM
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That's quite the false dichotomy you've got there, champ. You could try imposing your will on the Democratic Party, instead of letting it impose its will on you. Tell them if they run Hillary you'll run the other direction - and do it. One term is a small price to pay to let the Dems know who's actually in charge. Or vote third party. Granted, any third party will probably be lucky to get to 5%. But you shouldn't go in thinking that change is impossible. Have the courage to vote for a candidate …
/r/MensRights10/04/15 10:11 PM
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The most glaring reason being that she's not a liberal. She's just a Democrat. Yeah, that was kind of the point I was getting at.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 10:06 PM
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Libertarians are to liberalism what truthiness is to truth. Sure, they'll support your right to smoke whatever you want and fuck whoever you want - but they'll also finish the task of selling out the country and all its people to the wealthy. When you need other people's permission to make a living because there's no actual way you can support yourself by your own labor and are basically reduced to a serf in your own country, you go ahead and tell me how much "liberty" you have.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 10:02 PM
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Succumbing to political blackmail isn't the lesser of two evils. How about you act like an empowered voter with a spine, instead of a weak, scared bitch voter? Hold the Presidency hostage. Tell the Democrats that Hillary's not acceptable and if they run her, you'll vote Republican just to make sure she loses. Tell them if the Party wants to be in position to take bribes and do favors, they need to run a candidate you approve of. Because, honestly, it's not going to matter much if the Republicans…
/r/MensRights10/04/15 09:55 PM
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Feminists seem to think men are the stupidest things on two legs and that we can't tell when we're being shit on. Now, I'll grant you, there's a lot of white knights and blue pill-types out there who seem to not know any better... but a lot of men have sensed feminism's hostility and indifference to men for a long time.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 09:44 PM
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Matter of principle.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 09:39 PM
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I just wish feminists would see the glaring elephant in the room and apply that same logic to the name of their own movement. Until they do, I see no reason to let them have their way with other gendered words.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 04:34 PM
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I suggest you go back to history class. I suggest you go to one at all. _pluto_ has it right.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 04:09 PM
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There are plenty of perfectly good reasons to not want Clinton for President even if you're a liberal. She's a hawk. She's a neoliberal whenever she can get away with it, and she lives in Wall Street's bed (and you watch, her economic game is going to be Reagan II with a thin coat of candy-colored paint). She's another fucking Clinton (can we never elect another Clinton or Bush again, guys? that'd be great). And she's a goddamn liar over and over again - which is standard for politicians, but th…
/r/MensRights10/04/15 04:07 PM
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No, but feel free to downvote them.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 03:53 AM
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Did you read my entire post? "Feminism" doesn't get to be above public scrutiny.
/r/MensRights09/04/15 07:38 PM
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They're entitled to a space if they want it. If someone wanted to create /r/FeministCirclejerkSafeSpace and make it a dissent-free hugbox crucible, that would be fine. But feminism is a major political and social movement with substantial funding, lobbying groups, media support, etc - and feminists routinely pretend that feminism is for everyone and that if you want equality, you're a feminist. They have attempted to make feminism populist, and in doing that, they have made feminist spaces publi…
/r/MensRights09/04/15 05:28 PM
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If men are not oppressed and fighting for men's rights is silly, then no harm can come of letting MRAs speak. Everyone will realize that their claims have no merit. I suspect you're afraid their claims may have merit and that if given a platform to speak they may succeed in convincing others of it.
/r/MensRights09/04/15 06:57 AM
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You're way conflating the difference between not supporting feminism and not supporting different forms of feminism. All forms of feminism are female supremacy, misandry, and patriarchy theory. Feminism is not the same as egalitarianism and it is not the same as critical gender theory.
/r/MensRights09/04/15 06:51 AM
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while current feminist discourse defines feminism as an ideology founded upon the equality of genders/sexes Feminist discourse is dishonesty. Feminists have no interest in equality and their actions make this clear. liberation from the patriarchy. No such thing. it is our patriarchal culture that systemically forces mothers to choose their children or their careers Actually, that would be time, and the limited amount of it in each day.
/r/MensRights09/04/15 06:47 AM
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You sound awfully ignorant for someone who's supposedly been an MRA for years. Why does it suddenly smell like the underside of a bridge in here? I’m not sure if we’ll ever enact any kind of meaningful change if we remain so hostile to the goals of women. We're not hostile to the goals of women. We're hostile to the goals of feminism. Can you tell the difference between women and feminists? we’re inevitably going to need to cooperate with women We have no problem cooperating with women. There ar…
/r/MensRights09/04/15 06:43 AM
2

The internet needs barf bags.
/r/MensRights09/04/15 06:31 AM
1

If this is accurate, why aren't all women making at least this much?
/r/MensRights09/04/15 06:29 AM
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The place was more like mra's challenge feminists and feminists fight for their little corner than a feminist area. Aww. Won't someone please feel sorry for the deluded bigots who aren't allowed to circlejerk in peace. Hang on, I've got a tiny violin around here somewhere...
/r/MensRights08/04/15 05:11 PM
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only 2 in 100 rapes are reported. How does she know how many rapes occurred? Did she watch them all happen? Does she have a crystal ball? Is she psychic? Did the heavens part so that God could deliver the Troo Fax unto her from on high? Bullshit statistic is bullshit.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 05:03 PM
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Supposedly, the sexist old boy network can't bear to hire women to do the jobs even though it would save them massive amounts of money. Because feminists don't understand anything about business, apparently.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 04:20 PM
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Market forces will sort this out. People who don't get paid enough to work overtime or weird shifts won't. That's unless those people are so desperate for steady work that their employers can cut their wages and they'll have no choice but to accept, which would be a huge market failure, but market failures like that are business as usual in America.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 04:16 PM
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the Women's Center on our campus already publicly states that they are all-inclusive to both genders. Burger King is inclusive to both genders, but they won't sell you a taco. Presumably a men's group would provide services and support that the Women's Center would not. But if they really want to push the issue, tell them that their name is exclusionary and confusing and demand it be changed to something gender-neutral. Then you'll see where they really stand - and so will everyone else.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 03:33 PM
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I'd deviate by focusing more on a minority issue like Mass Incarceration and Criminal Justice that overlap with existing activist efforts. Of course there are plenty of other serious male issues but putting that one out front will deflect a lot of criticism. Interesting - you don't feel this would be similar to feminism's appropriation of e.g. race struggles to lend their own movement more legitimacy?
/r/MensRights08/04/15 03:29 PM
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Don't mind Porno, he is one of our resident lunatics.
/r/MensRights08/04/15 04:18 AM
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Tender Years doctrine. Duluth Model. If a drunk man and a drunk woman have sex, the man is the rapist. Men can't be raped. Sexism against men doesn't exist. Misandry doesn't exist. Anti-meritocratic quotas for jobs and political offices. Funding for women's shelters only. Male tears are delicious. No, I don't think everything would be better with feminism.
/r/MensRights07/04/15 05:38 PM
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Voat is no more reliable than Reddit or 4chan, and as I recall, the people running the MRM groups over there aren't too concerned with free speech.
/r/MensRights07/04/15 05:35 PM
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Linguistic overreach.
/r/MensRights07/04/15 05:32 PM
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Are men entitled to this right as well? According to many feminists, no. Feminists believe that the existence of patriarchy makes double standards that favor women both just and necessary.
/r/MensRights07/04/15 05:28 PM
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And of course gynophobia will be used in the same tone as homophobia, if it isn't already, to imply that any man who has a reasonable fear of being screwed over by a system that's stacked against him is actually an ignorant and irrational bigot. Yet another way to make it "damned if you do, damned if you don't" for men.
/r/MensRights07/04/15 03:47 PM
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I think there's a split between the goal of liberal MRAs and libertarian/conservative MRAs. The libertarians generally only care about legal inequality; as long as the laws are equal and equally enforced, they think social inequality/misandry doesn't matter. The liberals recognize social inequality as a problem. If we ever get the legal reforms the libertarians want, I predict we'll see a lot of them peel away from the MRM and start accusing the liberals of being whiny victims with much greater …
/r/MensRights06/04/15 08:44 PM
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The pattern is the same - a lot of feminists want the rights to do everything that men do, while leaving the not-so-fun responsibilities all to men. This is what feminism has ALWAYS been about. This clearly isn't all feminists, maybe not even most, but it is becoming such a popular kind of feminist narrative lately that it's easy to react with anger. Feminism pretends it's egalitarian, so egalitarians who don't critically examine feminism get tricked into proclaiming themselves feminists. The pe…
/r/MensRights06/04/15 08:39 PM
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Feminists and MRA’s are looking for gender equality. Feminists aren't looking for equality. They wouldn't be feminists if they were. we should work together We can't work with misandrists. That should be obvious.
/r/MensRights06/04/15 08:34 PM
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Have you tried searching the sub? I mean, you're not the first person to ask. But frankly I would be surprised if the people you're trying to convince would accept any evidence that contradicts what they want to believe about MRAs.
/r/MensRights06/04/15 08:28 PM
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Elam's been very clear in the past that if you give money to AvFM, and you want to know where that money goes, you can fuck right off because he's not going to tell you. If you don't think that $650, or whatever he's charging, is not a fair or necessary price for a ticket, then don't buy one. I sure as hell won't be. I don't think these conferences are really important with the existence of the internet, but if you do and want to start your own, godspeed.
/r/MensRights06/04/15 07:09 PM
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If we consider there to be two types of Feminism, Classical Feminism that advocated for the equality of both genders, and Radical/Modern day feminism I see no benefit in entertaining such a plainly false hypothetical. Feminism has never advocated for the equality of both genders unless it first redefined "equality" to serve its agenda.
/r/MensRights06/04/15 06:55 PM
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Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
/r/MensRights06/04/15 05:45 PM
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The Admins and some other memeber's keep yelling feminism and that this was a proudly feminist group "Proudly feminist" means proudly censorious.
/r/MensRights06/04/15 05:43 PM
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It is absolutely a reputable news source. Yeah, well, not anymore.
/r/MensRights06/04/15 05:20 PM
1

Who? What?
/r/MensRights06/04/15 05:19 PM
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I hear a very similar line of argument when I tell other feminists that I'm an MRA. I'm sure you do. But where is the MRM's "patriarchy" bogeyman and unfalsifiable victim complex? Where is our equivalent to feminism's enthusiastic misandry? What laws have we successfully lobbied for that unfairly benefit men at women's expense? Where are the prominent MRAs who say "men's rights isn't about equality, it's about liberation"? Where are the MRAs who patronizingly refer to female MRAs as "allies" and…
/r/MensRights06/04/15 04:59 PM
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I can't agree that feminism was "always" about the supremacy of women above men I don't see why not, because it was. The women at Seneca Falls adopted (in fact, probably originated) the patriarchal oppression narrative. The suffragettes and their progenitors didn't care about suffrage for everyone as a civilizing principle; they wanted suffrage for women specifically and didn't care if anyone else had it. I suppose there might have been a bright spot in the 50s with Friedan and de Beauvoir - tho…
/r/MensRights05/04/15 06:47 AM
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You might catch a young coffeeshop feminist with that (after you explained the Duluth Model to them, cause they don't know) but... "Most domestic violence is initiated by men and men cause the greatest harm. Women who commit domestic violence do so in response to male abuse, and to arrest them for acting in self-defense is oppression. The real problem is pervasive misogyny and toxic masculinity and if you really wanted to end it you'd feminism harder." ...that's a stock response from a feminist …
/r/MensRights05/04/15 06:21 AM
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Feminism is man-hating female supremacy. If you're not a misandrist bigot and you don't want female supremacy, you're not really a feminist, no matter what you like to call yourself. CHS needs to walk away from the label and stop supporting it, and if you're not really a feminist, so do you.
/r/MensRights04/04/15 07:09 PM
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I liked the movie quite a bit - but yes, its views on gender are decidedly conservative and mainstream.
/r/MensRights04/04/15 07:06 PM
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actual feminism, rather than the Tumblr variety of Radical Feminazism Real feminism is about female supremacy. It always has been. Everything admirable about "feminism" is the result of the egalitarianism that feminism has gathered around it by pretending to be egalitarian. We don't need to defend feminism; we need to keep the egalitarianism and throw the feminism away.
/r/MensRights04/04/15 07:04 PM
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All those examples of, what I guess you could call real feminism, are admirable. Real feminism is about female supremacy. It always has been. Everything admirable about "feminism" is the result of the egalitarianism that feminism has gathered around it by pretending to be egalitarian. We don't need to defend feminism; we need to keep the egalitarianism and throw the feminism away.
/r/MensRights04/04/15 07:01 PM
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Or worse, "equality".
/r/MensRights04/04/15 06:59 PM
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wat
/r/MensRights04/04/15 06:56 AM
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There's the door, buddy.
/r/MensRights03/04/15 03:28 PM
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Anybody want to bet that a game about using a hot curling iron as a speculum would be decried as sexist with no redeeming qualities? I dunno, someone start one. We know what's probably going to happen, but force their hand. Prove it. Make them affirm the double standard. Keep copies of all the comments on both projects and provide them for public scrutiny.
/r/MensRights02/04/15 11:25 PM
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But women do have power.
/r/MensRights02/04/15 11:21 PM
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I don't think this is a fight we want right now. There's still a broad public perception, even among people who don't call themselves feminists, that feminism is about equality and that women still have it worse than men and that women have ALWAYS had it worse than men. So if we come out saying "hey, we want this law for equality", then people will immediately think of the feminist version of "equality" (i.e. more for women, less for men, because patriarchee or something). We're going to get a l…
/r/MensRights02/04/15 08:55 PM
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"It's really gross when men talk about women. Now, we're going to tell you about men" -Feminism
/r/MensRights02/04/15 04:43 PM
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It's really just unrestrained gynocentrism. These women want to live in a world that revolves around them and exists for their convenience. So if there was just some magical way where the universe could filter their life experience so that they get positive attention and feel sexy and validated whenever they want it, but never experience any kind of bad feelings for any reason, that'd be great. (Read that last part in the voice of Lumbergh from Office Space.) And since they basically feel entitl…
/r/MensRights02/04/15 04:41 PM
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Feminism has the same meaning it always had. More people need to realize this.
/r/MensRights02/04/15 04:28 PM
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Dunning-Kruger is a bitch.
/r/MensRights02/04/15 04:24 PM
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"We're going to teach men respect by disrespecting them!" Seems legit...
/r/MensRights02/04/15 04:18 PM
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I said that's not the question she asked There you go. and then she tried to change gears And this is your cue to roll your eyes and leave the conversation.
/r/MensRights02/04/15 04:15 PM
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Is going MGTOW really the best response to getting hurt? The way I have seen it, a MGTOW is a MGTOW because he was, broadly speaking, pursuing a relationship and got burned...bad. But if that is the case, isn't that just "giving up"? There are 3.5 billion women on this planet; surely there are millions upon millions who would be suitable wives and girlfriends. So why decide on the impulse to just "check out" of the entire game? No man anywhere has any moral obligation to partner up with anyone. …
/r/MensRights02/04/15 04:13 PM
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that is discrimination, but feminism and womens groups do nothing. Nothing except pretend that feminism is actually about equality.
/r/MensRights01/04/15 11:39 PM
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We can never discredit feminism as a movement Sure we can, just keep telling the truth about it. The truth is fucking damning. it is based on Female supremacy. Hypocrisy. Misandry. And there are countless examples, contemporary and historical, to show this. the dictionary Words printed in a book. Do you believe everything you read? what feminism is really about. True feminism, real feminism, genuine feminism, is not an equal rights movement. It has never been an equal rights movement, not even 1…
/r/MensRights01/04/15 08:04 AM
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Since there is nothing to support their claim, there's no need to refute it. Tell them to prove it and sit back with a bag of popcorn while they try to bullshit their way out of it.
/r/MensRights01/04/15 07:53 AM
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Webster's Dictionary is a useful resource, but it is in no way authoritative. Feminism is what it IS, regardless of what is printed in a dictionary.
/r/MensRights31/03/15 12:55 AM
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First, a massive majority of feminists would have to disagree with these statements. As far as I can tell, they just kinda let them stand.
/r/MensRights31/03/15 12:53 AM
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Since women can't choose to be undead to avoid medical expenses, nor can they choose their biology, I see nothing unreasonable about this.
/r/MensRights31/03/15 12:46 AM
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So you have lousy reading comprehension. That explains it, thanks.
/r/MensRights31/03/15 12:43 AM
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Sure will. One thing first - since you've read the Communist Manifesto, can you just remind my lily white ass where Marx suggests that after the worker revolution, society should be ruled by a despot? Because I don't remember seeing that part.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 03:27 PM
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If you don't know anything about Marx except what you heard from your redneck drinking buddies, you could just say so. It's not like you can't find his written work online or in a library...
/r/MensRights30/03/15 02:26 PM
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Hard to explain to a libertarian since they generally lack the liberal philosophical background. David gave it a pretty good try and I dont think I could do better. Locke was pretty much the origin of the idea of personal ownership through mixing labor... But that's generally as far as libertarians go. Locke also said that for that to work, the commons had to have "enough and as good" for everyone else, I.e. You don't get to screw everyone out of prime land just because you got there first. And …
/r/MensRights29/03/15 01:58 PM
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Men do have feelings, but what he's talking about is how feminists - having never experienced the masculine role directly and being unwilling to actually listen to men - have this kind of invented notion of what it's like, and then imagine how it would be for them as women to wake up in that role, and then they imagine that this is what being a man is like and we're all just too stupid to know it and need those feminists to tell us what our own lives are like.
/r/MensRights29/03/15 01:37 PM
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Bit of a broad brush you're using there - but yes, this is a thing that happens.
/r/MensRights29/03/15 01:28 PM
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Not anymore.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 06:25 PM
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What's your favorite quick response to people who use the argument that women are oppressed more "Bullshit." A lot of you are suggesting I go with the "women aren't oppressed" route... I know, I know. But suggesting this right off the bat usually ends the discussion. The truth is everywhere. Those who are ready for it will find it.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 07:32 PM
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What MRA's take? Insufficient data.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 07:30 PM
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Never really found this argument convincing. Because you can't math?
/r/MensRights25/03/15 07:28 PM
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Feel free. I don't really care if I get credit for the comment.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 03:23 PM
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I am frankly shocked - but pleasantly so - to see that xojane has started inviting MRAs to contribute articles. This is a boldly progressive move among a sea of man-hating feminist conservativism. I would also like to commend the author for having the bravery to view this from a male perspective and recognize how Meghan (or the character her song portrays, whatever) is a selfish, spoiled, deeply entitled person who any man in their right mind would run away from rather than date, and a terrible …
/r/MensRights25/03/15 12:24 AM
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if you think my complaint is pointless and naive, then post elsewhere, and leave this thread alone. On the contrary, because your complaint is pointless and naive, I'd like YOU to post elsewhere.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 12:11 AM
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I'm not really seeing how you'd plan to motivate "They should pay people more for working less." via non-authoritatian route Oh, it would definitely be authoritarian, at least in the short term. I mean, you don't give a disobedient kid a stick and tell him to beat himself, it doesn't work. You have to use the stick. Likewise, you can't just tell employers that they have to pay more. Direct intervention is needed. Of course, raising the minimum wage is an easy fix. You don't need special auditors…
/r/MensRights25/03/15 12:10 AM
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Reproductive health isn't a gender (rather, sex) neutral issue, though. Men and women have different reproductive health issues, and those issues have different solutions. But who's talking about funding for men's reproductive health? The article says nothing about it, pro or con. And what I saw were comments about "cock carousels" (traditionalist sex-negativity - how dare women have sex freely?) and apparent confusion about the notion that female contraception would save money and benefit women…
/r/MensRights24/03/15 11:54 PM
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It doesn't, that comes from your posts generally. I just used it for context.
/r/MensRights24/03/15 09:32 PM
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So?
/r/MensRights24/03/15 09:22 PM
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"how do we get to the point that there is no such thing as uniquely 'men' or 'women' issues" Eliminate men and women. There was an initiative to do that in the 60s, but it failed after billions of dollars of technological and productive investment because of political foot-dragging. divisive Your whining, useless concern has been noted.
/r/MensRights24/03/15 09:22 PM
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I'd rather be adorable than a monarchist, I guess.
/r/MensRights24/03/15 09:19 PM
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Yay, TERFs! I guess when they say they want to abolish gender, they don't mean that gendered norms are bad, they mean they want to abolish the idea that you can have a gender identity distinct from your biological sex. Which, uh, is actually embracing gender at the same time it ossifies it. How conservative. Whoever called these people "radical" is confused; they don't want fundamental social change, they're just hateful extremists.
/r/MensRights24/03/15 09:11 PM
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What does this have to do with men's rights? Oh, right. Cue the parade of conservative MRAs whining about how men have to pay for contraception without understanding how doing so would save them money in the long run. "Child support is a scam! It's slavery!" "We could make it so that young women can't get pregnant." "NO! Taxation is a scam! It's slavery!"
/r/MensRights24/03/15 09:05 PM
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Welcome to the internet, which is not a democracy.
/r/MensRights24/03/15 09:01 PM
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I'm confused as to how any group, whether it's MRAs or Feminists, can claim to want equality among the genders while going about it in a way that consciously focuses on the issues of just one of the said genders. The MRM exists in the context of a society where there are already countless forums and institutions for discussing and addressing women's issues.
/r/MensRights24/03/15 07:38 PM
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What a refreshingly unapologetic calling of bullshit.
/r/MensRights24/03/15 07:22 PM
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Yeah, but that's not my point. I don't think Judy did her job wrong. I think that justice hasn't been served yet.
/r/MensRights24/03/15 06:43 PM
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What that doesn't achieve, though, which shorter workdays does, is cutting payroll costs and directing more profit to shareholders. Shorter workdays should be paired with substantial pay increases. If the minimum wage had kept pace with productivity increases since the 60s, it would be $22/hour now. Instead all that money went to the wealthy and wealth inequality has increased to banana republic levels. Americans like to pretend they value hard work, but if we really valued work, we would pay mo…
/r/MensRights24/03/15 06:21 PM
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Are we supposed to feel sorry for schools now? Academia enshrines feminism. The same people who are "forcing" schools to adopt an anti-man, anti-justice stance are the ones that the schools taught to do those things in the first place. Furthermore, when all this started, schools could have taken a moral, principled stand against the elimination of due process and the demonization of men. The Harvard letter could have been published years ago. Instead, greedy, amoral administrators saw their way …
/r/MensRights24/03/15 06:12 PM
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the popular interpretation is almost invariably that men are paid more entirely because of gender bias. This is because feminism has been telling people this for decades - including indoctrinating schoolchildren and college students with feminist propaganda - and the more we're able to spread the message that differences in pay are attributable to career choice and hours worked, the less people will automatically assume that earnings gaps are caused by sexism.
/r/MensRights24/03/15 05:58 PM
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You're also better at lifting heavy patients and restraining violent ones.
/r/MensRights24/03/15 05:54 PM
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I downvote nearly every post of yours that I see, but this one is spot on.
/r/MensRights24/03/15 05:51 PM
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If politicians know they won't get burned for supporting the MRM or if they think they can get votes for supporting men's rights, they'll support us. The fight isn't to convince politicians, the fight is to convince the public. When the public sides with us on men's issues, politicians will fall in line. If we're not at that point yet, then we're not at that point yet. We will be. We need money. This is true, but there needs to be a place for the money to go, and people have to trust that sendin…
/r/MensRights24/03/15 05:44 PM
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There was a post about it a while back. Might try a forum search.
/r/MensRights24/03/15 03:50 AM
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You know, I thought about that before posting. Would I write "white men" if they were white? If not, why not - because I assume white as default? Would it appear that I was trying to suggest that the cause is more worthy because the men are black and therefore have more Oppression Points(TM)? In the end I went with it because I suspect their race may have been a significant factor in their conviction, and I wanted to highlight that possibility - also because of people who think that this group i…
/r/MensRights24/03/15 03:48 AM
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Compared to r/feminism? Sure.
/r/MensRights24/03/15 03:41 AM
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Yes, but see we outnumber them As I said: Feminists only want discussion on their terms and will generally avoid any space where men or anti-feminists are allowed to speak freely. So, uh, what you're saying is you have a hell of a time finding feminists who honestly want to have frank discussions with people holding alternate views. Color me completely unsurprised. Of course, this is FRD's elephant - no one there will acknowledge it and you'll get censored and banned for pointing it out. Unless …
/r/MensRights23/03/15 08:48 PM
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pwnt... ...is what I want to say, but it doesn't go far enough. There are two other men out there she's treated unjustly, and she deserves to be punished, not just made to pay his legal fees.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 08:28 PM
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So according to the speaker, women are fearful and demanding. Well, you won't find much popular disagreement with that.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 06:54 PM
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Denying mudslingers ammo is not a viable strategy; mud is available everywhere.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 06:23 PM
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women tend to be more risk averse fearful and appreciate higher quality facilities demanding So according to the speaker, women are fearful and demanding. Well, you won't find much popular disagreement with that. Now if only we could get women to appreciate paying for their higher quality facilities. Seems like it would be a simple matter to create gyms that are effectively men-only without credible cries of sexism by embracing a grungy "concrete and bad lighting" aesthetic that repels women.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 05:47 PM
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genetically: no.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 05:43 PM
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Even if there is such a thing as male victims, it wouldn't matter because patriarchy is on their side, even though it's the thing that's hurting them, and if you really wanted to help men you would feminism harder because feminism is for everyone, you mansplaining fedora neckbeard shitlord pissbaby.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 05:36 PM
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Why stop there? We can have women-only police officers, women-only lawyers, women-only government agencies, women-only schools, women-only laws... oh wait, we already have all of those.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 05:25 PM
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pretending they've never done anything helpful won't help anyone. I'm not pretending anything. Feminism is a misandrist female supremacy movement that managed to attract a lot of egalitarians by telling them feminism was egalitarianism. Feminism helped women get the right to vote This is arguable. It may have. Then again, women got universal suffrage around the same time period that men were getting universal suffrage, so it's possible that feminism played little or no role in this. Hard to say.…
/r/MensRights23/03/15 05:22 PM
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Am I wrong in assuming that posts detailing gender bias against women are unwelcome in this sub? Discussion of how an issue is or isn't gendered or affects men and women in different ways may be relevant here, but if it's just about "here is a woman's issue" then it's off topic. There are plenty of places online (so, so many) to talk about women's issues.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 04:55 PM
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Feminists only want discussion on their terms and will generally avoid any space where men or anti-feminists are allowed to speak freely. Is there a sub where neither gender OR MOVEMENT (MRAs or feminism) is vilified or blamed No, and there will never be. Oh, wait - there is r/FeMRADebates. Extremely strict policing ensures that MRAs and feminists are rarely vilified, because you're not allowed to say anything that portrays either movement negatively, even if what you're saying is demonstrably t…
/r/MensRights23/03/15 04:50 PM
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Employers generally don't want to hire people who will wreck morale, make endless demands for special treatment, give 77% when others are giving 100%, and expose them to litigation. It's got nothing to do with vaginas and everything to do with attitude. And feminists are making it worse.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 04:38 PM
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"Where is the oppression? Point it out." "Uh, well, it's there. Lots of it! Um... it's just too small to see. You can't see it. But I can, because it's soooo oppressive. That's it."
/r/MensRights23/03/15 04:34 PM
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Feminism is straying so far from It's roots. No it isn't. Feminism was always, ALWAYS about misandry and special pleading. Seneca Falls, Suffragettes, Steinem, Solanas, Redstockings, etc. The fact that at some point it attracted some egalitarians who did some useful things doesn't mean that it was ever "good".
/r/MensRights23/03/15 04:31 PM
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Brought to you by the 1%.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 04:26 PM
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As a whole, Dems don't hate white men so much that they wouldn't vote for Sanders - though he's left of the party and would probably lose some votes on that account. Biden is a joke and the other two are nobodies.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 04:25 PM
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We'll be cutting them off with delayed retirement and limited opportunity, just like the baby boomers are doing to us. Their kids will be running the world when it's pried from our cold dead hands, not them.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 04:20 PM
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Not discussing things that make you "uncomfortable" is literally the exact opposite of what college is supposed to be. "What college is" is determined by what will get them the most money and what will cause the fewest lawsuits. Staying true to an ideal is not one of their incentives unless it attracts students, and since it's students (or a certain vocal minority among them, anyway) who are demanding these changes as a condition of their attendance, that's what colleges are going to deliver. Ch…
/r/MensRights23/03/15 04:16 PM
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If they aren't doing it now, I'm not sure they ever will.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 04:12 PM
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Talk is cheap.
/r/MensRights23/03/15 03:33 PM
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I'm never going to see the change I want in the feminist movement unless stuff like this gets out and normal women (whether they identify as feminists or not) get angry and start to push back. But they don't push back. The feminists NAFALT and the other women mostly just ignore it. The only way you're going to see change in the feminist movement is by denying it support, which you do by emptying it.
/r/MensRights22/03/15 06:39 PM
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Mmm, nachos.
/r/MensRights22/03/15 06:25 AM
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...did you even look at the FAQ?
/r/MensRights22/03/15 06:22 AM
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To me, the thing that's brilliant about the prank is that they managed to fit some real men's rights content in. Which means that, as much as the people watching might think it was all a silly joke, they still got the message, and they got it in a way that doesn't alienate or polarize them. Everyone is focused on the feminist attacker (and yeah, that's fucked up, especially if she gets away with it which she almost certainly will) but my favorite bit is when he tells the cops "if I were a woman …
/r/MensRights21/03/15 04:36 PM
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When "rape" is something that can be arbitrarily and retroactively applied to any sex act regardless of the circumstances, you can never know.
/r/MensRights21/03/15 04:24 PM
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it spoke of a new doctrine. the host Trevor Phillips was a leading figure in equality in the UK for 9 years said that before they had taken the stance to try and stop people from saying racist things, thus eventually they would stop thinking them he stated he thought it didn't work and now the new doctrine is that White British people were now seen as tarnished and as such were afraid to speak out about things in fear that they may be seen as racist So what, exactly, is the new doctrine? Because…
/r/MensRights21/03/15 04:11 AM
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programs in colleges for men to protect themselves against being accused of rape. Aside from telling them to avoid college girls and always have an alibi/be recording, how exactly do you propose college men protect themselves? They can't control whether accusations are made.
/r/MensRights21/03/15 04:07 AM
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www.PriMate.com
/r/MensRights21/03/15 04:05 AM
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Why do very few men take me seriously when I say I'm a lesbian? Don't ask me. Whenever I saw, say, a dating profile claiming that a woman was definitely a lesbian, I moved on; if she's telling the truth, then I'd be wasting my time, and if she's lying, then I'd still be wasting my time.
/r/MensRights21/03/15 04:00 AM
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They used to say that women got paid less for working the same jobs. They still do say that. Never let the facts get in a way of a good story... To people with eyes who see how STEM fields are crying out for women this sounds obviously wrong There are still plenty of feminists, including women in tech, insisting that women in tech are discriminated against - and of course, if you call bullshit then you're "dismissing women's experiences" and "mansplaining" and "silencing" them and it's "patriarc…
/r/MensRights21/03/15 03:58 AM
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could just mooch off a friend, relative, or simp clown None of these income studies account for shared income, that is, income that a woman gets (and a man loses!) because she lives with a man who pays more than half of the expenses.
/r/MensRights21/03/15 03:53 AM
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NAFALT has always meant exactly two things: "don't hold me accountable", and "don't hold feminism accountable". I don't understand how you can believe in the patriarchy, male>female power dynamics, male privilege, etc., and not be like that. You can't. Feminism is fundamentally sexist. If you are a feminist then you are a sexist bigot and you support sexist bigotry. "Not all feminists have any idea what feminism actually is and prefer to just don the title without spending five minutes even aski…
/r/MensRights21/03/15 03:47 AM
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I see, and will the girls have to tell the boys what they like? Actually, it's hard not to feel cynical about this. After all, these boys are raised in a society with a clear double-standard where men are criticized for preferring attractive women, but women are not criticized for doing the same thing. Surely at least some of these boys, already indoctrinated with social scripts, will feel compelled to answer accordingly, while the girls will have no problem describing actors and professional at…
/r/MensRights20/03/15 05:33 AM
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"I feel uncomfortable" has become the standard codespeak for "silence that person".
/r/MensRights19/03/15 04:50 PM
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Risk isn't something you have to weigh if you can expect to be protected from all harm.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 04:48 PM
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wtf is the deal with this SJW meme of desperately desiring a "genuine discussion" or "an open and frank discussion about" whatever the cause-de-jour happens to be? What exactly does this mean? Just more bullshit, I'd guess. "We're for equality." "We don't hate men." "We want an open discussion." ...etc. I get the impression that this is hugbox newspeak for a railroaded conversation where everyone comes to the 'right' conclusion Probably. edit: On rereading this, I had a thought. Who are the femi…
/r/MensRights19/03/15 04:46 PM
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Half of feminist leaders and writers are men, right? Men's issues and perspectives get equal time in feminism, right? No? Hmm. Oh, to answer the question, you fight it with facts, and who gives a fuck what they call you. Haters be hatin'.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 05:56 AM
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Having "fem" in it does make it exclusionary, though. Which, actually, if you're trying to be an equality movement, is pretty bad.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 05:55 AM
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It absolutely supports the OP of this comment chain's claim I only see the abstract here, but nothing in it proves or even suggests that the effect is biological. This is the problem with all the evopsych and "it's biological!" wankers: all speculation, no follow-through.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 05:49 AM
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Real Men Don't Let Others Categorically Define Them.
/r/MensRights18/03/15 08:03 PM
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How do you propose to remove political affiliation? I think what we need to remove is the righties. No matter how many times you tell them that left/right politics are divisive, they just can't act like adults.
/r/MensRights18/03/15 07:56 PM
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Oh look, evidence that doesn't support your claim.
/r/MensRights18/03/15 07:54 PM
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Look at that: it's another "downvote MattClark0095" thread!
/r/MensRights18/03/15 07:53 PM
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Sure. Chase, Monsanto, Halliburton...
/r/MensRights18/03/15 07:53 PM
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Unfortunately, feminism was never really about equality. The third wave is so awful simply because it's following what the first two waves told them.
/r/MensRights18/03/15 07:50 PM
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Male feminists are mostly egalitarians who got sucked up into feminism's pseudosociological bullshit and Bizarro identity politics. That's all. how can we explain this simple concept to awake them? You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. If facts don't work, they're a lost cause.
/r/MensRights18/03/15 06:54 AM
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This is not an anti-woman rant. Could have fooled me.
/r/MensRights18/03/15 06:44 AM
2

The feminists I encounter ... truly want equality. What do they think "equality" is, and how do they think it is to be achieved? Can you give me some proof of your position? An examination of feminist campaigns, feminist literature, the history of feminism, etc. makes what I said clear - but a Reddit comment is not the place for that examination. I am a feminist and a men's rights activist ... And I am not for the undermining of men, obviously. Since feminism is misandrist, and supporting femini…
/r/MensRights17/03/15 06:04 PM
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In my experience the beliefs of feminists are enormously diverse. They're not. All feminists believe in patriarchy. All feminists believe that the way to gender equality is to continuously give more power and privilege to women while undermining that of men. These things form the essential core of feminism. Individual feminists may have additional beliefs which vary from feminist to feminist, but that does not mean that feminist beliefs are diverse. People who do not believe these things are not…
/r/MensRights17/03/15 05:44 PM
6

Explain? Male disposability, the empathy gap, and pervasive misandry.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 04:39 PM
1

Indignity, the last refuge of the inept.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 04:34 PM
3

The definition you listed doesn't say that feminism is equality, anyway; it says that feminism is advocacy. Nothing about that requires that feminists are sincerely pursuing equality, or that feminist advocacy must lead to equality or vice-versa. But yes, it's trivial to demonstrate that feminism doesn't support equality by pointing to inequities they either deny or show no inclination to address. Won't convince the faithful, though.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 06:29 AM
2

It's really hard to talk about what feminists believe Maybe for you. I don't have a problem.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 06:25 AM
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Feminism isn't any one thing Then why does it have a word? Don't buy into feminist equivocation. Feminism is a thing. It can be defined.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 05:53 AM
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But how long can "they" distort the truth? As long as they have enough support and influence to get away with it. Plenty of feminists don't want to look deeper. They've got their articles of faith, their axe to grind, and they're content. Others actually make their living from advocacy or lobbying or consulting. The only way we're going to get most of those people to reconsider is by making it really clear to everyone that feminism is wrong, that it's toxic and sexist, that it's NOT the same thi…
/r/MensRights17/03/15 05:44 AM
1

Was. Now it's a reference to The Matrix and a subreddit where they believe ridiculous things that most of us here would not like attributed to us.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 05:41 AM
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Whether you like it or not, that sub creates confusion as to the intended meaning, and we should not expect visitors to be able to tell the difference the way insiders and old hands might. I'm in favor of striking the phrase.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 05:40 AM
1

I see misogyny once in a while (no, I'm not going to go hunting for a link). It's pretty rare, though, and it tends to come from the people who've bought into redpill bullshit.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 05:37 AM
1

Yeah, no.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 05:33 AM
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I only have one upvote :( Of course, you didn't have to read that far in to find the bullshit. "Traditionalism is the only known stable social structure" was your first clue.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 05:31 AM
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The theory itself is sexist. If you buy into it, you buy into sexism.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 05:29 AM
1

Probably not, but a misidentified gender egalitarian might.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 05:27 AM
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The male legislators and the male judges are exactly the ones who have been creating and perpetrating unjust laws. Ah, but why are they doing it? I don't know why you hang around here, to be honest. It doesn't seem like you have anything to contribute, and it doesn't seem like you're learning anything, either.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 01:40 AM
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Now you're talking about land, which is a completely different topic. It's not. They do, that's why they enter into a voluntary agreement with the club owner to receive financial compensation instead. Taking cash in lieu of ownership is not an option that is offered to performers, it is a requirement that is imposed on them as a condition of being allowed to use the club for their performance without being subjected to violence.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 08:05 PM
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Seconding. Comparing feminism to a cult may sound crazy and overdramatic to you, but think about all the hateful things Futrelle and the others said about us. If you dissent from feminism, they will speak about you like that, too.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 07:33 PM
1

Yet another example of how we need to change the public perception of feminism from "equality movement with bad apples" to "hate movement supported by misled egalitarians". Once we separate the gender egalitarians from feminist misandry, the egalitarians and the MRM will be able to work together.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 07:27 PM
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When I was a feminist, I believed ... people who don't call themselves feminists are just scared of women This is a ridiculous premise. Even supposing feminists were right about patriarchy and male privilege (which they aren't), there is already a group that men are equal to: other men. If men were really scared of having equals, wouldn't they be even more afraid of each other? What's really interesting to me is sussing out where the "men fear women" idea came from. Is it an attempt to emasculat…
/r/MensRights16/03/15 07:22 PM
1

Positive rights are fictitious creations of the state. So is property. You can assert claim to property without the state existing. You can assert such a claim, but without violence, it will have no force. If I pick up a stick, fashion a weapon out of it, and claim it as mine, I am not initiating violence against you. You had no more right to that stick than I did; you took it away from me when you began to fashion it. If I attempt to make the same claim to it, then you must use violence to excl…
/r/MensRights16/03/15 07:14 PM
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If I own property, you have to initiate violence against me to take it away from me. Property is a positive right. Before it exists, it must be asserted. If you claim property, YOU have to initiate violence to exclude me from the thing you claim property in. Unequal property distribution is the result of poverty Utter nonsense. What do you think poverty is?
/r/MensRights16/03/15 06:31 PM
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Congratulations on your intellectual honesty and rational skepticism. Yes, many MRAs are former feminists or feminist supporters who came to realize that feminism's views on gendered power and oppression are inadequate, that feminism both permits and encourages a great deal of misandry, all while it pretends to oppose sexism, and that men have real issues that feminism's theoretical framework is incapable of addressing.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 06:25 PM
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I thought she genuinely had no idea why anyone would complain about her videos "Don't assume malice when stupidity will do" is a good guideline, but I don't think it's the case here.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 06:12 PM
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Because property is violence. Violence creates it and violence maintains it. Property distribution causes poverty which induces people to consent to disagreeable working conditions (including wages). Unless, of course, you can convince every person who can potentially access some thing or resource to freely and willingly consent to the current distribution of property, which would make property nonviolent - but of course you can't.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 06:08 PM
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So instead you want to just ignore the fact that men have been making these decisions Men as a group are not liable for the decisions made by individual men. Why not attack the overwhelmingly male legislators and judges who implemented that law, upheld that law, and continue to not change that law? Because the legislators are not the problem, they are a symptom. Attacking them would no more cure sexism than blowing your nose really hard cures a cold. Why just choose to attack feminists? Feminist…
/r/MensRights16/03/15 06:03 PM
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Your statements are contradictory. Property is violence. If you are not against property, then you must claim the moral authority to use violence.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 08:54 AM
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Religion requires faith from its adherents.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 08:50 AM
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So she KNOWS why most gamers disagree with her views on games... and then pretends not to, so that she can call them misogynists? Duh?
/r/MensRights16/03/15 08:48 AM
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They imply that there is some unique authority on "systems" which she has accessed and which other people need to know about too. There's nothing inherently wrong with this. We could say something similar about justice in reference to, say, the revocation of due process for male college students accused of sexual assault. The problem is that her claims don't bear scrutiny. Also that the way you learn about "systems" (as if the concept itself existed in a vacuum and that people are not exposed to…
/r/MensRights16/03/15 08:47 AM
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People should not have to compromise the public interest for basic financial security.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 08:41 AM
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Oh, then you are against property? Could have fooled me.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 08:35 AM
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Alternately, point out that you find the gendered word "feminism" exclusionary and confusing, and ask them why they continue to use language that excludes men from gender equality. Watch them trip over their own feet trying to excuse it.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 08:30 AM
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GNL is well within his rights to declare you so ignorant or committed to your position that talking to you is a waste of time. It's not a win, but it's not a loss either.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 08:26 AM
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Neither you nor any other third party has the moral authority to use violent coercion to stop them And yet you claim moral authority to use violence to induce them to accept a particular wage.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 08:22 AM
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MRA's need to suck it up and admit that a lot of what they are fighting against is in fact laws and court decisions made by other men. I don't see why. Men as a group are not liable for the decisions made by individual men, and there is no reason to believe that women would have instituted fairer laws. The feminists might have a powerful lobby, but they have never actually been in power. If they don't have power, why do they often get their way in the face of political opposition? Targeting femi…
/r/MensRights16/03/15 08:12 AM
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Well, you're not wrong. Proponents of the kinder, gentler MRM seem to think that people will adopt reasonable positions if they are politely presented. But consider: could I convince you to become a Mormon? Is there any amount of polite, reasoned discourse that would cause you to adopt Mormonism? (If you are already Mormon, or Mormon-leaning, then Buddhism.) How about socialism? (If you are already socialist: capitalism.) Probably not. Sure, we might have a pleasant, respectful conversation abou…
/r/MensRights16/03/15 08:07 AM
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This article was sort of refreshing, in that a feminist group claims to believe that feminism is about gender equality, that that means that men have (or should have) an equal place in it, and that both men and women should be represented equally. Of course, feminism is still misandrist, and any claim to the contrary supports bigotry by giving political cover to bigots, and it portrays feminism as having a monopoly on gender. So this effort, however well-intentioned, hurts men. "Feminism" needs …
/r/MensRights16/03/15 07:32 AM
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I also haven't served prison time (yet?), still doesn't mean there are no issues with bias in sentencing just 'cause I was lucky enough to avoid Truth. It's not like every schoolteacher, or every school, is exactly the same amount of feminist. OP may simply be lucky.
/r/MensRights16/03/15 06:47 AM
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Organizations need strategies and goals. Movements, not as much.
/r/MensRights14/03/15 12:13 AM
3

Feminism is for everyone, except for the people who it is not for.
/r/MensRights14/03/15 12:12 AM
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Try to convince them, tho. See what happens.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 09:08 PM
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Too many people have the wrong definition of feminism. When people don't know the true meaning of the word, they instinctively use root words to figure out what it means. Spoken like a true revisionist.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 07:05 PM
1

Yep.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 07:04 PM
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Seeing sex as a commodity is deeply problematic - except when women are looking to sell.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 07:03 PM
1

Literally rape.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 07:02 PM
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We're not gonna line up behind you, so don't let the door hit you in the ass.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 07:01 PM
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Sex slavery is not as common as many of its opponents claim; most people who prostitute themselves do so voluntarily. To suggest that it's an act of violence to trade money for sex with a willing partner who prefers prostitution to unemployment is absurd. If there is any act of violence here, it is that the prostitute lives in poverty to begin with - but this is class violence, not gender violence. And for those prostitutes who are not poor, there is not even the violence of imposed poverty.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 06:53 PM
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/thread
/r/MensRights13/03/15 06:45 PM
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When men hate women, they kill us Hold up a second. Harpies like Valenti think that all of society hates women. That misogyny is woven into the fabric of everyday life, and that there is an active - if unconscious - conspiracy to keep women down. Why, then, aren't women being butchered by the thousands? By the millions? If misogyny makes men into murderers, and all men are misogynists, it should be like an 80s slasher flick out there. Or Auschwitz.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 06:43 PM
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Feminists are anti-man and want supremacy, not equality, so why would we ever work together?
/r/MensRights12/03/15 05:07 PM
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Cool story, bro
/r/MensRights11/03/15 10:33 PM
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Abandon society and politics You're in a political sub, dipshit. The MRM is a political movement. Feel free to abandon it anytime.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 10:32 PM
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No amount of right-wing ignorance is going to attract me toward it, either.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 06:42 PM
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No amount of identity politics is going to make me think - for example - that trickle-down economics works, that taxation is theft, or that climate change is a conspiratorial hoax.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 06:33 PM
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I think a lot of people on the left have this experience. And the way to escape that is for more of the people having it to speak out and band together, create more communities where left ideas and discussion are welcome, but groupthink, ideological prejudice, and silencing/relational abuse are not. Many of the same people on the left who would condemn us for heresy are just as heretical but afraid to admit it, and would step away from the nuthouse if they had a place to go.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 05:20 PM
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She didn't so much criticize games, as the people who play it. She criticized both. But it's not a criticism in good faith; it's a smear attempt, using lies of omission, deceptive framing, and outright factual untruths to support a narrative that unfairly indicts people who have done nothing wrong. Why not quit? Nobody likes a quitter. Besides, she makes money on this. ...Sounds like a pretty pathetic video to me, whiny and self-pitying. Is this supposed to drum up more sympathy and sweet, sweet…
/r/MensRights11/03/15 07:55 AM
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Mutually assured destruction works. Usually. Sometimes you get a missile crisis.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 06:53 AM
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How much alcohol (or other recreational drug) does it take to erase a woman's agency? According to some feminists, even one drink is enough. Others would say that where a man and woman are equally drunk and have sex, the man is guilty of rape and the woman not, and that it is the man's duty to gauge whether the woman is capable of consenting to sex (but not vice-versa). And this is the standard being pushed in schools and (to a lesser extent) everywhere else in society. Still other feminists are…
/r/MensRights11/03/15 06:45 AM
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I was on the outside looking in, but here's how I remember it: Several years ago, feminist and other SJWs started attacking nerd/gaming subcultures, accusing them of being misogynist, racist, and homophobic. There are shades of this in the whole "fake geek girl" controversy a few years ago, and also the "Dickwolves" thing at Penny Arcade, and various accusations of harassment at cons, claims that women are harassed online more than men, and so forth - all the usual "women are under threat, save …
/r/MensRights11/03/15 06:10 AM
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What's it called when women are guilty of "manspreading"? "Misogyny".
/r/MensRights10/03/15 04:18 AM
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You really aren't doing this sub a favor Your concern is noted.
/r/MensRights10/03/15 12:42 AM
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I realize how this story can highlight a bigger issue Then why are you bitching?
/r/MensRights09/03/15 09:40 PM
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Shouldn't have given him anything except good advice. Dude needs to learn.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 09:38 PM
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I do actually care and am trying to make valid points, but you don't have any, just like all the other people who don't understand that taking a certain stance doesn't actually make people adopt your views. Your whining, ignorant, useless concern has been noted.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 09:35 PM
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equality for everyone, that is the roots of what I consider to be true feminism See, this is your problem. You're misinformed. The roots of true feminism are sexism. Belief that men have power and women don't, that women are oppressed by men and not vice versa, that the way to equality is to help women and harm men, that is the basis of feminism, and that is sexism. Even the name is sexist. Is the "f-word" too intimidating Not intimidating at all, just highly inappropriate. you don't want be ass…
/r/MensRights09/03/15 08:54 PM
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Funny story. My girlfriend is a big ol' feminist. Reads feminist blogs and messageboards, retweets feminist stuff on Twitter, took feminist classes in college. One time she was trashtalking characters in a video game and she called one of them a shitlord. Doesn't understand how "SJW" can be a bad thing because "how can anybody be against social justice?" Yeah, I'm amazed we're together too. We've kind of learned not to talk about this stuff; it greatly reduces arguments in which she gets irratio…
/r/MensRights09/03/15 08:51 PM
1

The overwhelming majority of feminists are decent, good willed people, interested in gender, who honestly have not give the male perspective consideration. Feminism, as a movement, as a philosophy, as an academic discipline, has been very much about hearing others, legitimizing people's lived experiences, recognizing that other viewpoints are valid, and so forth. And it has been about identifying hidden power structures, unrecognized forms of oppression, and exposing them. Unless it's men's voic…
/r/MensRights09/03/15 08:30 PM
1

This is why I've been beating the hell out of the "feminism is bigotry, make the egalitarians leave it" drum.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 08:10 PM
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go away, concern troll
/r/MensRights09/03/15 08:07 PM
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As usual, Paul can't write for shit and desperately needs a competent editor.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 07:56 PM
1

Why don't we pose this question to twox/feminism "You have been banned from /r/feminism."
/r/MensRights09/03/15 07:53 PM
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Your concern has been noted.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 07:51 PM
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So claims of misogyny practiced in the past or by other societies are invented in order to make present society look better in the eyes of gynocentrists? Interesting idea. Merits further research, IMO.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 07:50 PM
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He specializes in being a far-right lib'rul-hating caricature. If I didn't know better I'd think he was false-flagging or something.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 07:41 PM
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Yay, let's run toward conservative traditionalism. Because THAT'S been so good for men...
/r/MensRights09/03/15 07:38 PM
1

After scanning the comments, I trust this experiment has been educational for the OP: the right won't stop the infighting.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 07:35 PM
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I'm not really aware of that kind of character with women scientist characters. So basically Hollywood tells girls if you're not pretty you probably can't pull off being a geek. Kind of a tangent, but I am legit sick of pretty little actresses. You want to show me a strong woman with smarts and initiative, fine. But don't have her played by some 20-year-old piece of eyecandy. Give me a woman who appears to have some grit to her.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 07:01 PM
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Since feminism is misandrist, you can't combine it with egalitarianism or MRM. MRAs can be egalitarians and vice-versa.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 06:51 PM
1

One man and 1727 women. How long before one of them accuses him of sexual misconduct?
/r/MensRights09/03/15 06:20 PM
1

We're all disposable slaves to the system. Welcome to anti-capitalism.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 06:16 PM
1

Actually, the biggest cost for the government is the military, by a huge margin. Social welfare programs represent only a tiny sliver of government spending. We actually spend more to subsidize corporations than we do to support the poor.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 06:16 PM
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If ignorance is also a conservative aim, congratulations.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 06:00 PM
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Distancing yourself from feminism and walking away from it are two different things. You should be doing the latter, not the former... if you are a decent person.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 05:56 PM
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i'm a feminist Why do you support bigotry?
/r/MensRights09/03/15 05:55 PM
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I have heard several people justify their actions by implying that their clothes were revealing and thus were looking to get laid. I can see why feminists would connect this with slut-shaming. You just have to view the claim as an attempt to invoke puritanical moral codes to make the woman appear less virtuous and therefore unworthy of sympathy and credibility.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 05:50 PM
1

The Sarkeesian gambit lives. If any of you were still carrying a bit of respect for her after her HeForShe speech, you can go ahead and set it down now.
/r/MensRights09/03/15 05:46 PM
1

How come these good feminists never call out this disgusting bigoted behaviour that goes on by the 99% of feminists that keep deliberately lying to spread hatred of men? They do. Quietly, where almost no one can hear them. And usually only when challenged to do so by critics of feminism. Or, on rare occasions, they write polite editorials expressing mild disagreement without condemnation. But you will not see them protesting outside the offices of a feminist publication or organization. Or outsi…
/r/MensRights09/03/15 05:40 PM
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That doesn't in any way change what it is. Which is why I don't be doing it.
/r/MensRights08/03/15 01:24 AM
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No, that's pandering. Our moral ground is high enough. We don't need to kiss babies.
/r/MensRights07/03/15 07:51 PM
3

I haven't been everywhere on Reddit.
/r/MensRights07/03/15 09:36 AM
0

never forget that "pussy" comes from pusillanimous Still bullshit.
/r/MensRights07/03/15 09:35 AM
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Not interested in pandering. Men's issues are real enough.
/r/MensRights07/03/15 08:53 AM
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Some of the people here are jackasses who downvote perfectly reasonable posts. Brush it off...
/r/MensRights07/03/15 08:45 AM
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The image is not supposed to be literal. Then it is propaganda.
/r/MensRights05/03/15 09:26 PM
3

Let's face it: he's controversial for being a crazy motherfucker.
/r/MensRights05/03/15 06:04 PM
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So, female anger is something to celebrate, whilst male anger is something to be maligned. Feminism enshrines double standards!? My gosh!
/r/MensRights05/03/15 05:55 PM
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I challenge any feminist to tell me where I can work where I actually get to grab the cute office lady's boobs and she just doesn't care and nothing bad happens to me. Oh wait, there is no such place. More hysterical bullshit.
/r/MensRights05/03/15 05:53 PM
1

modern zionism wat
/r/MensRights05/03/15 05:49 PM
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And nothing of value would be lost.
/r/MensRights05/03/15 05:48 PM
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The thing that concerns me about this is, who at Google gets to decide what "truth" is? I can just imagine sites making debunked feminist claims of women's oppression being promoted because those claims are considered true, while MRA sites get pushed down for contradicting that narrative. It'll be Wikipedia all over again, only without even the pretense of openness.
/r/MensRights05/03/15 05:42 PM
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That was a whole lot of bullshit and no payoff. What on EARTH made you think anyone would want to read this? Downvoting.
/r/MensRights04/03/15 04:50 PM
1

You clearly aren't listening.
/r/MensRights04/03/15 04:33 PM
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As usual, the article paints the sexual non-worth of Asian men only as a racial issue, not a men's issue. But we know better.
/r/MensRights04/03/15 04:46 AM
0

Republicans don't engage in the same failure of thought because their entire lives they're exposed to a media, news, hollywood, television, etc, that is not an echo chamber of their thoughts. . . . AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
/r/MensRights04/03/15 04:38 AM
1

Do you think they literally wait ALL conversation for something that could mildly be construed as sexist, and then run with it? I think they'd have to.
/r/MensRights04/03/15 04:35 AM
1

"Mens Rights itself is anti-woman." And then I would ask how, and she would say some ignorant bullshit, and I would form an opinion on the basis of which I would dismiss her. Arguing with feminists is a waste of time. Feminism is a bit different, in that the leading organizations of that movement are pushing for action that hurt men. And there you go. The people who lead feminism, harm men. Feminism is led in a way that harms men. Answered your own question. I think we're done here. No? Okay, if…
/r/MensRights04/03/15 04:28 AM
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authoritarian gov't pressure rofl
/r/MensRights04/03/15 04:15 AM
0

There is a certain comfort in seeing that almost everything you post is absurdly, hilariously wrong. It's familiar. Oh, and if it hadn't been for NASA, there would be no SpaceX now. Public investment is what provided the foundation for space exploration.
/r/MensRights04/03/15 04:14 AM
2

There's a reason why this article, which found the average penis size to be 5.13 inches, has become incredibly popular. What is that reason? Because it's certainly not any new findings. Average erect penis size has been pegged around 5 1/2 inches for decades.
/r/MensRights04/03/15 12:45 AM
2

You are declaring, with a wide brush, that all feminists are anti-man. I know several feminists who not would act or identify as such. Feminism itself is anti-man. Therefore feminists are, by definition. Perhaps you should ask these "feminists" you know why they voluntarily self-identify as members of a sexist hate group.
/r/MensRights04/03/15 12:42 AM
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Feminists keep making shit like this, and all I can think is, I'm not groping strange women on the street or pulling their clothes off. And I don't see anyone else doing it, either. Like, I have literally never seen this ever. And I don't think I've ever known a guy who thought that sort of behavior would be appropriate. So, I have to think that what these photos really depict is a state of paranoia - not a real oppression but one that exists entirely in the mind of the observer. Women imagine t…
/r/MensRights04/03/15 12:39 AM
1

Wtf are you talking about? American life. How thick is your bubble? Jesus. Not if they're innovating and they're in a field where there's actually a little demand (read: not psychology or biology). Yeah, okay. I'll just mark you down as "doesn't actually know anything about science funding or research". Um, conservatives aren't to blame for that. Since conservatives are the ones always crying about the deficit and demanding spending cuts to everything except the military and corporate subsidizat…
/r/MensRights04/03/15 12:10 AM
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Jesus Christ. It IS possible to exclude individuals from a category without it being a logical fallacy. You can't be pro-man and anti-man at the same time, this is fucking common sense. Humans. Fuck.
/r/MensRights04/03/15 12:02 AM
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"Wealth inequality"? You mean capitalism? I mean the way that we take, say, a hundred million people who might have good ideas that they could develop if they had access to good education, time, and capital, and then instead give them shit education and make them spend most of their day working at one or more shit subsistence jobs. That is NOT how you promote innovation. Hell, American scientists have it hard these days. Salaries are low, grant money is scarce. Schools are turning into breeding …
/r/MensRights03/03/15 09:10 PM
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You cannot be for men if you accept feminism.
/r/MensRights03/03/15 08:34 PM
2

Stop providing cover for bigotry.
/r/MensRights03/03/15 08:33 PM
1

This gander isn't interested in your sex-hating puritan dystopia, thanks.
/r/MensRights03/03/15 08:29 PM
0

Christ alone knows you can't just fucking do something, you have to pollute the airwaves with your rant as to why. opinions are like assholes the personal is political therefore, her asshole is political... or something
/r/MensRights03/03/15 08:28 PM
1

So you want people who have sex to have to pay... what's the estimated cost of raising a kid these days? Anyway, it's one hell of a fine.
/r/MensRights03/03/15 08:26 PM
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IMO conservatives (in the U.S. at least) are the true party of progress. They are the ones to endorse innovation-promoting principles. Yeah, because wealth inequality is so good for promoting innovation...
/r/MensRights03/03/15 08:21 PM
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their disdain outweighs anything I've ever experienced from a Republican referring to a Democrat. Yeah, well, I don't suppose you've experienced being a Democrat. If it's not clear enough, I'm accusing you of confirmation bias.
/r/MensRights03/03/15 08:19 PM
1

But that's the whole thing, there is no one single set of values called "feminism". You know, I would be happy to acknowledge that "feminism" has no meaning and just eliminate it from my vocabulary - but others won't. Feminists will continue to use the word both for its tremendous brand power and to conceal or excuse bigotry through equivocation. The only way to stop that is to nail the word down. You may be too wishy-washy to do that, but I'm not.
/r/MensRights03/03/15 08:16 PM
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"Held accountable" is a phrase that is only used in the sense of punishing someone or forcing them to fix or justify something. Saying you want to hold people accountable for sex is essentially saying that sex is bad.
/r/MensRights03/03/15 08:09 PM
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Why in the hell can't they be held accountable for their choice to have sex as men are? Why do you want to punish people for having sex?
/r/MensRights03/03/15 05:30 PM
0

Feminism is anti-man. If you do not acknowledge that, you cannot be pro-man. This isn't a distraction from the work, this is part of the work.
/r/MensRights03/03/15 05:27 PM
-1

Terrible article. The author no doubt thinks he scored when he called out feminists for failing at feminism - but the MRM should not validate the idea that real feminism is about equality or that feminism has a monopoly on gender. Feminism is inherently, fundamentally sexist. There is no "good feminism", there is no "equity feminism". By pretending that there is, or that identifying and criticizing sexism is necessarily "feminist", the author provides cover for bigots. It's notable that the best…
/r/MensRights03/03/15 05:25 PM
1

Feminism is inherently sexist. Some self-identified feminists express that sexism more than others.
/r/MensRights03/03/15 04:57 PM
2

You sound like one of the religious right claiming that sex education and access to condoms makes teenagers more likely to get pregnant. The thinking here is quite simple: some babies are going to get dumpstered. Or killed. Others aren't, because they're wanted by their parents. Baby boxes aren't going to make loving parents decide to give up their children; they're going to protect the unwanted children. Instead of going all fundamentalist retard, we should be concerned that men and women are n…
/r/MensRights03/03/15 04:53 PM
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According to me? Sure. But the feminist definition is intended to enshrine a clear double-standard by providing a flimsy but reasonable-sounding justification for it; ask them this question and they'll start hamstering.
/r/MensRights03/03/15 04:44 PM
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Can you tell me what the hell "power" is? Power is notoriously difficult to define, but one common definition is something like "the ability to get your way despite opposition".
/r/MensRights03/03/15 04:21 PM
10

Righteous ganking.
/r/MensRights03/03/15 04:19 PM
2

You're either pro-life (how can you be anti-life!?) Malthusians are anti-life. Call me crazy, but I see more teenage boys pressuring teenage girls for sex than the reverse. Gee, why do you suppose that is? It's almost like men and women have different roles when it comes to sex and dating, or something.
/r/MensRights03/03/15 04:14 PM
1

They don't need to explain it; they're satisfied with justifying it ("patriarchy") or excusing it ("NAFALT").
/r/MensRights03/03/15 04:09 PM
1

rofl
/r/MensRights02/03/15 08:52 PM
2

In group bias strongly moves toward women being biased towards women and men being biased towards women. But there's no proof that the cause is biological.
/r/MensRights02/03/15 08:51 PM
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I'd say debating with people who can't agree Marcotte is a sexist bigot is more harmful; you're wasting your time at that point.
/r/MensRights02/03/15 06:34 PM
2

But it matters A WHOLE LOT when considering how to address it.
/r/MensRights02/03/15 06:33 PM
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Well, it's exclusionary language that reinforces traditional gender roles. But other than that, yeah, there's a lot of people here showing off poor reading comprehension.
/r/MensRights02/03/15 05:40 PM
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Calling a spade a spade doesn't harm debate.
/r/MensRights02/03/15 05:36 PM
4

We are hard wired to place women's interests above ours [citation needed]
/r/MensRights02/03/15 05:13 PM
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[a bunch of crap that's entirely wrong] Now that you've been schooled snicker You couldn't school fish. Take your whining elsewhere.
/r/MensRights02/03/15 05:11 PM
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Is this going to be used as another truncheon to swing wildly against men and boys while affording special rights to women and girls? It quacks like a duck.
/r/MensRights02/03/15 07:21 AM
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No media coverage also repels no one. Moot point, since without media coverage people wouldn't know or care about us anyway. P.T. Barnum ("no such thing as bad publicity") knew a hell of a lot more about public relations than you do. Why should we ignore him and listen to you? Elam's ignorant clowning creates two SJW's for every angry groupie he draws to his ineffectual site. Elam is a clown, but this is sheer hyperbole. Thanks to him, it's going to take much longer for men's issues to escape th…
/r/MensRights02/03/15 06:55 AM
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Masculinity doesn't exist in a vacuum.
/r/MensRights02/03/15 04:16 AM
1

Ideally, you'd be out and proud about being an MRA. But that's just not realistic for most people. There's a real limit to how guilty you should feel about sparing yourself a bunch of unproductive bullshit.
/r/MensRights02/03/15 04:10 AM
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I think we need to put a banner at the top of this sub stating that we are not for the legalization of rape and that we fully support the independence and equality of women all over the world. We don't need any such thing.
/r/MensRights01/03/15 05:18 PM
1

Stopped caring about OP after seeing his flounce.
/r/MensRights01/03/15 05:14 PM
1

They say it like this will eventually cause a problem when the truth is it already is a problem.
/r/MensRights01/03/15 05:07 PM
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You would in fact do better with no media coverage, and excluding media. Because that keeps credibility and cred is what draws people who are on the fence. No media coverage draws no one. I think Elam is a twat of the highest order, but the MRM has benefited substantially from being loudly criticized. Every time the media calls us a circus, curious people line up for tickets.
/r/MensRights01/03/15 05:03 PM
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I guess they chose their domain name well.
/r/MensRights01/03/15 04:53 PM
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And taxation.
/r/MensRights01/03/15 04:52 PM
7

It'd never fly; equality is misogyny, didn't you know?
/r/MensRights01/03/15 04:46 PM
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Why would you give someone like that a platform?
/r/MensRights28/02/15 07:48 AM
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That's because the conservatives don't know how to get along. But there are a lot of liberals.
/r/MensRights27/02/15 11:01 PM
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Obama was also swimming in campaign funding. And let's face it, Romney would lose an election against a sandwich.
/r/MensRights27/02/15 09:55 PM
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It's not. Plenty of liberals here.
/r/MensRights27/02/15 09:52 PM
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And yet there are women who do just fine in tech and don't feel discriminated against. If the "sexism in tech" muckrakers are going to settle for anecdata, then I say these women are proof that there is no sexism.
/r/MensRights27/02/15 09:50 PM
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Nice sob story, but it's still inequality.
/r/MensRights27/02/15 09:47 PM
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Making their sexuality feel worthless. When men complain about this, though, the narrative becomes "patriarchal entitlement to women's bodies". Also, the whole concept here is sort of hilarious/tragic: Man: "I would like some sexy sex! How about you, attractive female?" Woman: "Ugh. No." Man: "I see. Well, I'm disappointed, but I guess I'll go beat off to some porn. Good day." Woman: "What? No - come back here! I'm not done rejecting you!"
/r/MensRights27/02/15 09:33 PM
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/thathappened
/r/MensRights27/02/15 01:14 AM
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I'm just gonna second everything here. If you can, get out. Find another situation where you can do what you want to do. If you can't, then you need to document the fuck out of everything that goes on there. Every time you take on extra responsibilities, meet extra goals, or otherwise do something really well, make a note of what you did and when. Every time your coworkers fuck up, make a note of what they did (or didn't do) and when. Keep a running list at home, just in case something happens a…
/r/MensRights26/02/15 11:00 PM
1

the label they are using means something. It does, but maybe this exact thread isn't the place to make that argument.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 10:41 PM
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I care a lot about what you think.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 10:31 PM
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If you have to ask, it kinda proves me right.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 10:30 PM
1

I think neither of you should be allowed to vote. Happy now? To you specifically, I offer the truest and least satisfying answer ever articulated: you'll understand when you're older.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 06:43 PM
1

Teenagers under 18 think they should be allowed to vote, too. It's so cute how they think they're ready to play grownup.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 04:38 PM
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Dude, not cool :P
/r/MensRights26/02/15 04:28 PM
3

I won't like voting Republican to spit in the Democrats' eye for running a DINO, but I will do it if there are no good third-party candidates.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 08:47 AM
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Watch out Marvel, annoyed comic fans give you no money.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 08:42 AM
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And stop blaming men for shit that we didn't do, stop casting us all as predatory perverts and criminalizing male sexuality, stop accusing us of being in on a pro-male, anti-female conspiracy, stop lying about sexual assault and domestic violence, stop pleading for special privileges... no, there's a lot that feminism needs to do.
/r/MensRights25/02/15 11:08 PM
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If it did happen in the article let me know, I didn't see it. I didn't either. About the strongest criticism she has is that some of us are extremists and we're biased toward men - and that's fair. I too kept waiting for the other shoe to drop and it never did.
/r/MensRights25/02/15 07:19 PM
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I'm not familiar with the author's past work, and I find her authorial voice a bit dull; by the time I got to the end I was struggling not to say "good enough" and skim the rest. But this is one of the most comprehensive, fair, even complimentary articles about the MRM I've ever read. She lists several major men's issues and recognizes them as real problems; she acknowledges that we are actually concerned about these issues; she admits that feminism is focused on women and has an imperfect view …
/r/MensRights25/02/15 06:49 PM
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I don't understand how anyone can advocate an ideology of automatically expelling anyone accused of sexual assault. Our forefathers enumerated the rights we have so that we wouldn't have to worry about things like this, and in such a "safe" environment, some people have forgotten why it was ever a problem. Make them the ones who are facing summary judgement for a crime they didn't commit and they'll start seeing the appeal of due process really damn quick.
/r/MensRights25/02/15 06:02 PM
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They should, in any case, receive a failing grade in all their classes; clearly they have learned nothing about law. Although being expelled without any kind of due process to protect them would be ironic justice.
/r/MensRights25/02/15 05:59 PM
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Put your name to your opinion And face backlash for exercising their right to free speech? No, no. Anonymity has a long tradition in protecting political dissidents from the mob; let us not denigrate it here.
/r/MensRights25/02/15 05:57 PM
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"But I'm not sexist!" "Aha! You see, he DENIES it! Concrete proof of his misogyny!"
/r/MensRights25/02/15 05:53 PM
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Since when is sexual assault a death-causing event? Since politics.
/r/MensRights25/02/15 05:52 PM
2

Maybe "princess" or "girly girl". But these labels are not as insulting as "dudebro" - especially to the man-hating SJWs whose teeth I assume you want to throw it in.
/r/MensRights25/02/15 05:46 PM
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If it's your kid, then absolutely yes. So you're anti-abortion, then? And also against putting children up for adoption and legal abandonment?
/r/MensRights25/02/15 07:03 AM
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Your lack of reading comprehension is disgusting.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 11:51 PM
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Reality does not care what you're saying. Accordingly, neither do I. Your accusation is false and you have your answer.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 11:38 PM
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No, it believes there is no reason for feminism - a misandrist female supremacy movement that uses witch hunts, relational abuse, and propaganda to achieve its aims. Most here would have no objection to a women's rights movement that was honest and fundamentally egalitarian, and draw a clear distinction between that and feminism.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 11:14 PM
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There is no manosphere, except in the mouths of our detractors.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 11:07 PM
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manosphere Pass...
/r/MensRights24/02/15 11:06 PM
5

Smells like bridge up in here.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 11:05 PM
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I'm a white man and I understood it as psymin explains it: "you women say you're oppressed, but even white men go to prison more than you!"
/r/MensRights24/02/15 11:03 PM
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"well men commit a significantly larger percentage of violent crimes, there's no sexism involved" Except that we know that women who commit violent crimes are less likely to be arrested, less likely to be tried, less likely to be convicted, and receive lesser sentences. Those things are sexism. It is likely true that men commit more violent crimes. We don't have a good answer for why. It might be biological, or it might be that a misandrist society is driving men to violent criminality through e…
/r/MensRights24/02/15 11:00 PM
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The risks for men are slightly different, because they also have to concern themselves with a society that will invariably take their abuser's side. How do you say 'maybe your girl won't beat you up, but she will get others to do violence to you by proxy'. There may be young men who can identify with a jealous ex provoking confrontations between two men. Yeah, I'd say this is pretty important.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 08:39 PM
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This kind of reminds me of when gaming media attacked its own male audience.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 08:35 PM
2

Would you have pension split at all? That's not alimony. Whatever value was added to a pension during the period of marriage should be considered marriage assets and split 50/50. Anything added outside that would belong to the individual.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 08:18 PM
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It's not women that are the problem, it's the system that empowers them when they're bad and hurts us.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 06:23 PM
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Unfortunately, it doesn't show it to nearly enough people.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 06:20 PM
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It'll blow over. The Church is not brought down by one crazy bishop.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 06:18 PM
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Well, it makes it clear that Arquette's feminism is about this - and this is how feminists will spin it, because they love to disavow responsibility for the ills of their movement (or anything else, for that matter). What this really proves is that just because someone calls themselves feminist or parrots feminist narratives doesn't mean they're socially aware or progressive, and that (this is the important bit) "feminists" have no special expertise or authority. But that's a sermon only the cho…
/r/MensRights24/02/15 06:17 PM
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Ditto. The only people Arquette helped that night are bigots.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 06:08 PM
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It's fun to watch, but I don't think it actually changes public perceptions of feminism. Even the black and gay people calling her out are likely to go back to sleep after it blows over.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 06:05 PM
1

When we're agreeing with Amanda Marcotte, you know something's wrong.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 06:03 PM
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How to avoid getting bad reactions when talking about men's rights? If this is what you want, choose your audience carefully.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 05:54 PM
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I guess the first question is what can we do to get Reddit to remove all these toxic moderators? Is there any recourse or are we doomed to live with heavily censored default subreddits? I don't see how this is our problem. Moderation policy is set by the moderators of individual subs, not by Reddit. Our sub is not heavily moderated. We don't have any control over how feminists moderate their subs, and none of us are here to ensure that feminists have the right to speak in feminist spaces. This i…
/r/MensRights24/02/15 05:25 PM
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Just eliminate alimony entirely. You get your share of the marital assets in the split and you go and find yourself a job, just like any man would have to do in the same situation. And if it turns out that you never went to college or your work experience is all 10 years old because you were out of the field... well, when this happens to men, they have to start over. Shouldn't be any different for women.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 05:15 PM
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Well, it's true in the sense that women are largely excluded from other forms of violence. Kinda think that's not what they're trying to say.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 07:06 AM
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rofl
/r/MensRights24/02/15 07:05 AM
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You'll also find traditionalism. The MRM should be careful about who it gets into bed with.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 01:15 AM
1

Even well-off black men face racism. It's just less evident because class is such an important variable that it tends to smooth over the racism.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:54 PM
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We tend to not be explicit in this inclusion. I don't think we need to be. If you hear "men" and think "but only certain races or sexual orientations", the problem is you - and I think too much explicit inclusion would come off as pandering or tokenism. What specific message(s) would you suggest?
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:51 PM
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I agree. Debate feminists, convince the audience. You're not gonna convince the feminist, but if you get enough people on your side or at least considering your position, you don't need to. Long term, enough of that kind of thing is going to cause a public opinion shift... or else a broad move to disable comments ;p
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:48 PM
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steeples fingers
/r/MensRights23/02/15 05:48 PM
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That hardly seems necessary...
/r/MensRights23/02/15 05:37 PM
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Feminists say a LOT of things that, if you file the specifics off, seem to condemn tendencies in their own movement. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to develop self-awareness, though.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 08:04 AM
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or 3. Keep fighting for things that matter and ignore the critics.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:53 AM
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the absolute best way we have to talk to feminists. There's an oxymoron here, I can sense it. Converting confused egalitarians is one thing, but you're wasting your time when you talk to feminists.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:52 AM
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The moderation is extremely aggressive. You know this. To say "you can criticize feminism there" when you know damn well you're only allowed to do it with a giant pile of qualifications, disclaimers, and sugar-coating - only to then have Tryptamine-whoever-it-is come along and claim that "feminist" has no fixed meaning because feminism can be anything, right before there's a good chance you get banned for a week - is dishonest.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:50 AM
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That people face discrimination on many fronts is something that the MRM needs to be more clear on. Is it? I wasn't aware that we were unclear on it. The MRM does need to do a better job of showing that when we talk of "Men" we mean ALL MEN It's not our fault we're the underdog in a message war.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:46 AM
1

This.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:44 AM
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what's /r/FeMRADebates and what is it for? It was created as a space where MRAs and feminists could debate, or at least discuss. Supposing feminists would want to do this. I warned its creator that feminists wouldn't bother showing up unless the MRAs were censored or forced to abide by arbitrary rules about what they're allowed to say or talk about. Sure enough, the sub started adopting more and more rules limiting what you could say, with an extremely aggressive level of enforcement. In theory …
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:43 AM
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I'm not aware of anyone who uses "intersectional" except feminists. No, the MRM does not need to adopt feminist ideas or define itself on feminist terms.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:34 AM
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Men don't attempt suicide at higher rates, we are merely much more successful when we do attempt. This is from a societal ideal that men are more aggressive and violent No, it's because women can cry for help with a failed suicide attempt. We can't, because no one gives a fuck. When a man finally brings himself to kill himself, it's because he has no hope left at all and he's determined to get the job done. Right now, women are the caretakers of children. Society sees women as more fit for raisi…
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:28 AM
1

All part of the Big Lie.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:20 AM
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Every teenager thinks they know just about everything. And boy, are they wrong. Life experience will even them out, unless they're dumb. Unfortunately, half the population is dumber than the median... Find some people who aren't hyperjudgemental, hypocritical morons, make friends with them, and tell everyone else to fuck off.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:11 AM
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Try re-reading the comment.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:08 AM
3

I loathe bell hooks. Her patronizing "I want to save men from being patriarchy monsters" schtick is fucking odious.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:05 AM
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gamergate and internet memes and gaming culture is ONLY white mans internet? #notyourshield, etc.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:01 AM
4

Now THAT is a Gish gallop.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 06:00 AM
1

You've been sent an unsolicited vagina pic then I take it? Why, yes, I have. Many times. They generally end up in my spam folder. But how awful is it, really, to get a picture of someone's dick? You can't claim that it triggers people with experiences of being raised by pimps or slavers, where rape or sexual abuse was a constant threat and women have no ability to say no to sexual advances, because virtually no women in western civilization have lived like this. (No, having a constant unreasonab…
/r/MensRights23/02/15 01:41 AM
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We are suggesting that online abuse is not a gendered issue.
/r/MensRights22/02/15 03:59 AM
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What the SJWs seem to want to do is limit any speech that might cause people to feel uncomfortable Cause certain people to feel uncomfortable. If you're not the right kind of person your feelings can go fuck themselves. Either that, or just use empty claims of discomfort to wield power (i.e. usually to censor or eject someone).
/r/MensRights21/02/15 05:19 PM
2

Yeah. Looking for a study though.
/r/MensRights20/02/15 09:22 PM
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it ignores other issues impacting on mens health that aren't their 'fault', e.g. the differential b/w spending on mens and womens health Perhaps they would be open to this idea.
/r/MensRights20/02/15 07:46 PM
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Well, it's not much, but at least it's something. And celebrity backing generally helps.
/r/MensRights20/02/15 07:45 PM
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Both sexes have to struggle to be taken seriously and see justice done, and you're right, the root cause of that struggle is not feminism or misandry. But it is feminism that pushes a dishonest narrative that erases male victims and female perpetrators, exaggerates the harm done to women in order to create the appearance of a moral crisis and secure more attention and funding for women only, and insists that men do not face the same kind of struggles as women. It is misandry that causes people t…
/r/MensRights20/02/15 07:41 PM
0

Asking students to make posters promoting a "healthy sexual culture" on campus is like asking the downtrodden citizens of a tyrannical dystopia to make posters celebrating their freedom. There is SO MUCH MORE that would need to happen before a healthy sexual culture could actually be promoted on campus.
/r/MensRights20/02/15 06:25 PM
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So often these accusations are not taken seriously by police and the courts. Serious DV is treated like a "dispute" between a couple that can be cleared up in civil or family court, where the burden of proof is entirely on the abused with no support from local law enforcement. This is how men are treated. Congratulations on your equality.
/r/MensRights20/02/15 06:23 PM
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I came on this subreddit not sure what to expect, and saw post after post of anger towards women, distorted versions of reality You see what you want to see.
/r/MensRights20/02/15 06:21 PM
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She has legitimate concerns No she doesn't. Kids who think there's a monster in the closet or that the doctor wants to torture them don't have legitimate concerns either.
/r/MensRights20/02/15 06:20 PM
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So tell me exactly how unfairly you men are being treated by the police and the courts? Tell it to a woman who lives every day in fear. "My feelz outweigh your facts." No.
/r/MensRights20/02/15 06:19 PM
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Some people are going to downvote me for saying this, but: Suck it up, nod your head, and get it over with. There is nothing wrong - ethically, I mean - with challenging false information. But you're just one student. You're vastly outnumbered and your position is unpopular. Anything that you do is likely to shoot you in the foot while creating no real positive change. If you really want to fight this, you need to organize.
/r/MensRights20/02/15 06:16 PM
1

If you mean "why do feminists prevent people from speaking", it's for message and narrative control. If you mean "why do feminists cut themselves off from opposed views" it might be relational abuse ("if you don't agree with me, I'll deny you social connections"), it might be genuine dislike ("ugh, I don't want to hear this shit"), or it might be a way to avoid challenges to their beliefs - there's no easy way to tell from the outside, and it could be some or all of these. There's also a tendenc…
/r/MensRights20/02/15 05:57 PM
1

Roosh? Probably an MRA friendly Nothing MRA-friendly about him.
/r/MensRights20/02/15 05:51 PM
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I see a lot of comments saying that people are 'anti-feminist' or opposed to feminism without distinguishing between any forms of feminism. All feminism is based on the belief that women are systematically disadvantaged or oppressed, that men have power in society and women do not, and that the only way to reach equality is to give more power and privilege to women. "Different forms" of feminism are therefore irrelevant, since all of them are wrong. I am therefore against all feminism.
/r/MensRights20/02/15 05:38 PM
2

This is the truest thing you've said all year.
/r/MensRights19/02/15 07:13 PM
2

Your concern is noted. Also: be the change.
/r/MensRights19/02/15 07:09 PM
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Bullshit. Too often, when someone a man lashes out in anger or self-defense, we measure the harm done like a suspicious miser measuring gold coins, looking for any excuse to indict: could he have hit less hard? Could he have walked away? Could he have simply tolerated whatever provoked him, "like a man"? We start with the assumption that the man is wrong. That's misandry, and if the genders were flipped, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. She should never have been on stage rubbing up o…
/r/MensRights19/02/15 07:06 PM
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Benevolent sexism is an oxymoron. Use its real name: female privilege.
/r/MensRights19/02/15 04:47 PM
18

Hey look, a feminist who doesn't want to liberate men from their traditional gender role. What a surprise.
/r/MensRights19/02/15 04:44 PM
9

If this is supposed to produce some sort of feminist epiphany, it's kind of having the opposite effect on me. The Doritos commercial only seems weird when gender-flipped because we don't usually see men portrayed as being so attractive that women leap at them (and it's a pretty stupid commercial to begin with, in any case). The man doting on the woman calls to mind any commercial for flowers, diamonds, etc so this is less a gender flip than a recontextualization. The GoDaddy commercial seems per…
/r/MensRights19/02/15 05:21 AM
2

What's up with that? Even people who care a lot can be lazy and apathetic, especially when the problem seems insurmountable.
/r/MensRights19/02/15 05:06 AM
1

I have no idea whose idea it was first, but if neither side objects, I'd say it doesn't matter.
/r/MensRights19/02/15 12:54 AM
0

However, she does identify herself as a feminist. If I call myself an elk, is it true? Do I grow antlers? If someone calls themselves a Republican, but they are not a member of the Republican Party and don't vote mainly or exclusively for Republicans, are they still one? Just because they said so? Do we let accused murderers self-identify as innocent? Why bother with the expense of a trial? If I say I'm an excellent multitasker, or a sociopath, or a German, but I demonstrate no traits that match…
/r/MensRights18/02/15 09:12 PM
0

I'm pro gun as well, and always found the anti-gun attitude among liberals puzzling - but when feminists are angling to carry guns in schools, it's just one more piece of evidence on the growing pile that they've completely defected to conservatism.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 08:45 PM
1

"Guns are bad! We need gun control now! No one has any reason to need a gun, that's what police are for!" "Feminists want guns because rape culture!" "Oh, well that's a horse of a different color! Arm the feminists!"
/r/MensRights18/02/15 08:42 PM
2

If you're going to have an argument about feminism and provide definitions that you yourself choose, set out those definitions and agree upon them at the outset. The problem is that feminists refuse to provide a realistic definition; "feminism is for equality" would make many of the world's most prominent feminists not real feminists, and it would also make many historical feminists not real feminists. When we point this out, feminists fall back on "every important feminist is wrong" (really?) o…
/r/MensRights18/02/15 08:38 PM
2

You don't need to answer anything, but you're making an ass of yourself.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 08:21 PM
1

You didn't answer my question. Why do women need to drink to have sex?
/r/MensRights18/02/15 05:38 PM
0

You keep using that word, "delusional". But glancing through that FRD post shows that, in fact, you are deeply ignorant about feminism, its effects, and its history.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 05:14 PM
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In it's simplest form marriage is a consensual contract of support and commitment. you are not being forced, you actively choose to enter it. Except that most men are not informed that the contract may have hidden terms (unreasonable child support or alimony awards) or that any contract negotiations they make on their behalf (prenups) before entering the contract can simply be ignored by the courts. Men are not informed that women can impose sanctions on men by making false abuse claims to get p…
/r/MensRights18/02/15 05:11 PM
7

I don't understand what it is with these speaking engagements and such where protesters show up and disrupt - and are not removed from the property (or at least the room). A speech is not an open public forum! If you are not the speaker, you sit there and listen, and maybe at the end you get to ask questions. If you don't like what they're going to say, don't go. You don't get to block things, or chant over the speaker, or pull fire alarms, or some shit like that. Get your own speech if that's w…
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:57 PM
2

Correlation is not causation. What's next, phrenology? If you really want to know how much testosterone women have, there's an easy and scientifically valid way to find out.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:52 PM
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I think she shouldn't have gotten on stage. Is that so fucking hard? Can we please assign some responsibility to the woman who made a bad decision? Thanks.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:50 PM
2

Putting aside the question of veracity, I'm not sure how this is a sad story. He dodged a bullet, his fiance was that bullet and was friends with an even worse bullet, and now she's left to deal with the liar on whose word she destroyed her relationship.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:47 PM
0

Hey, remember that time you made this post, and it didn't get the results you wanted, and then you went over to FRD to whine about how the MRAs are dumb poopyhead jerks hoping for petting and sympathy only to be told that we have a valid position? Did it ever occur to you that maybe you don't actually know better than us, shitstain?
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:40 PM
2

Warren Farrell is not anti-MRM.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:30 PM
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Wendy, by voicing her concerns with modern feminism and considering herself a feminist, gives reason to believe that maybe we can convince some of the more extremist feminists But by pretending there's a non-misandrist kind of feminism, all she's doing is providing radfems with cover. Also, can you produce a list of all the radfems Wendy has converted to non-misandrist egalitarianism, and statements from each one confirming Wendy's role in their change of heart? Show me how effective this tactic…
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:30 PM
1

And why would women need to drink to have sex? Think, sillymod, think.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:22 PM
1

I see what you did there. But you are the one helping the SRS, radfems, etc. by letting them pretend to be egalitarians.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:21 PM
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She literally founded a school of feminist thought. I'm sorry if that complicates your worldview It doesn't complicate my worldview, it complicates yours. Mine still defines feminism in a sufficiently concrete and testable way, and doesn't get confused when non-feminists call themselves feminists or vice-versa. Egalitarians can be feminists, misogynists can be MRAs, welcome to the messy world of gender politics. Your messy world, because you refuse to adopt functional definitions for things. Not…
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:19 PM
2

He's got his own site, for fuck's sake. How much more of a platform is he entitled to?
/r/MensRights18/02/15 06:38 AM
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Far better to simply educate people about feminism, and cut the feminists' legs out from under them.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 05:40 AM
0

Or how about you just accept that I was born sensitive. Nonsequitur. If you want to continue this discussion, I insist you make sense.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 05:38 AM
1

This strategy would only work if all men (or at least a supermajority) refused to approach women, forcing women to approach them. Do you see that happening? Because I don't, and I can't imagine what would convince them. Supposing men actually adopted this behavior, they would further have to reject or report any women who escalated sexual encounters without continuously obtaining affirmative consent. So yeah, if we had a magic wand, this would work great. Until then, it belongs on a list of the …
/r/MensRights18/02/15 05:35 AM
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However, if you think claiming "I was drunk" gets you off the hook I have bad news for you. No, no. You get drunk to have sex. You claim rape to avoid being called a slut for it. Unless you're arguing that women do this with the explicit idea of later making a false rape accusation No. I think they go into it without thinking too much about it, much like children might do. Crying rape is something they think of after the fact. The amount of abuse you get for a rape accusation is a hundred times …
/r/MensRights18/02/15 05:19 AM
5

It's not ridiculous at all. There are women on public record saying they drink at bars and parties in order to have sex.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 05:14 AM
1

By 35, the women are giving up their careers to be housewives.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 05:07 AM
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/thread
/r/MensRights18/02/15 05:07 AM
2

The idea that automation creates as many jobs as it eliminates is only true insofar as it is the increased wealth that automation produces that drives the demand that creates those jobs, and increasingly the jobs being created either require more and more training and specialization (all at the worker's expense, of course!) or offer less and less in pay, benefits, stability, security, etc. (And when did worker pay start lagging behind productivity? Why, in the 70s - right around the time when co…
/r/MensRights18/02/15 05:03 AM
2

Well said.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:50 AM
1

This was the slight boost to my faith in humanity (or at least the humanity in this sub) that I needed, thank you.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:49 AM
5

This "never mind their words or actions, if they claim to be feminists, they must be" schtick is getting really old. It's also providing feminists with cover by allowing them to continue pretending that egalitarians can be feminists, and that feminism is therefore egalitarian.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:48 AM
3

With this in mind, I was wondering what exactly the men's rights movement is doing to help women in areas where they are legitimately disadvantaged? We're doing everything we promised to do for women. is men's rights about 'redressing the balance' and focusing solely on men because they know feminism won't? Pretty much.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:45 AM
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I do not disagree that perhaps the "power" than men have-- which I will call "patriarchy"-- is disproportionally distributed. You ought. Women also have power, and have long done so. The notion that power is something that belongs only or primarily to men is fundamentally false. The feminist ambition to take men's power away and give it to women, viewed from the proper perspective rather than through feminism's warped lens, can only be regarded as female supremacy.
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:42 AM
7

"Good riddance, then."
/r/MensRights18/02/15 04:36 AM
2

I think the best way to combat feminism is to be counter to what they say we are. Show the world that we can be manly and sensitive. The best way to combat feminism is not to start by allowing ourselves to be defined by what feminists say we are.
/r/MensRights17/02/15 06:51 PM
1

Oh, so you're saying feminism didn't really have anything to do with women gaining the right to vote while eschewing male responsibilities tied to that right reproductive rights which are expressly denied to men pay equality which they continually lie about in order to win special privileges for women? It was all about man-hating? Fighting for women, and only women, to have special privileges is a form of man-hating, yes. It is explicitly ANTI-equality. Honestly, I can't argue with this level of…
/r/MensRights17/02/15 06:49 PM
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False dichotomous thinking like this is what causes the Men's Rights Movement to lose supporters. Concern troll doubles down! Film at 11! The idea that feminism is or ever was really about equality is feminism's Big Lie. It was misandrist right from the very beginning and that foundation has never changed. What you want is for the MRM to be sucked into the Big Lie, just like you were, in order to become more popular - in short, you want it to sell out and become its own worst enemy. And whether …
/r/MensRights17/02/15 05:20 PM
1

Spoken like a useful idiot for feminism. Be on your way, concern troll.
/r/MensRights17/02/15 04:40 PM
1

So I just want to say, those of you who are thinking of supporting Cytherea's charity, you do realize that plenty of men and women are victims of home invasion or rape, but there are no porn stars hawking individual charities for them? So the message this is sending is, "you should give a woman free money because she's famous". Is that what you want to support? Do you normally give famous people free money just for the asking?
/r/MensRights17/02/15 04:37 PM
2

I'm a cis heterosexual man myself, but on tumblr SJW blogs it's best suited to apply SJW "logic" napalm. Fixed it.
/r/MensRights17/02/15 04:25 PM
0

However, if the movement is to pick up traction in the mainstream media, we need to first gain more supporters, hopefully with a wider demographic. This includes feminists. Feminism is a hate movement. Feminists hate men. The MRM will never gain, nor wish for, feminist support. We may be able to peel off some of feminism's confused egalitarians, which would be a good thing, but we can only do that by challenging feminism. However, by acting as if any individual feminist is responsible for the ac…
/r/MensRights17/02/15 03:36 PM
2

Why do they want to punish teenagers for having consensual sex? Allegedly reduces teenage pregnancy.
/r/MensRights17/02/15 03:30 PM
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Well, it's defending the group that due process is being stripped from.
/r/MensRights17/02/15 03:15 PM
1

Now can we cut AVfM loose?
/r/MensRights17/02/15 03:13 PM
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In case you haven't noticed the trend, there is a clear attempt in the more "liberal" media to conflate MRA's with tradcons. There is also an attempt to conflate feminism with the supposed "left," which actually hasn't existed in any meaningful sense since the 1940's. Note that the right also conflates feminism with the left, and blames those on the left (or "left" if you prefer) for feminism. As long as the right remains ignorant and hostile toward the left, liberalism, and progressivism, this …
/r/MensRights16/02/15 12:41 AM
1

No, it's the bigots who think that all men can be generalized as woman beaters who give men a bad reputation. Get it straight.
/r/MensRights15/02/15 04:35 PM
5

"She picked up a knife, but it's cool bro, she was just raging. Chicks are cute when they turn to armed violence. I love living with someone who thinks you settle arguments with your partner by threatening to stab them."
/r/MensRights15/02/15 04:31 PM
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The research doesn't prove anything! Those scientists were PAID to do that science, it can't be trusted! Look, I've got a guy who's a doctor or something, and he says everyone else is wrong! That proves there's no consensus!
/r/MensRights15/02/15 04:28 PM
3

Today I Was Indoctrinated...
/r/MensRights15/02/15 04:26 PM
2

GG likes to pretend it's a big fish in a small pond, so they don't really mingle with the MRM, but the conflict between GG and anti-GG seems to have opened a lot of eyes to seeing how pernicious SJWs really are.
/r/MensRights15/02/15 04:19 PM
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I doubt the MRM will produce any great cultural heroes. I think that society will resist our message for a while - maybe 10 years, maybe 20, maybe 100 - and then when they finally accept it, they'll act like they figured it all out themselves or believed in it all along.
/r/MensRights15/02/15 04:15 PM
1

Even if petitions don't work on politicians, if they get the message out to ordinary Americans and show that problems exist or certain positions have support, that's useful.
/r/MensRights15/02/15 04:11 PM
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Also, actual liberals are not the pushers of PC. It is progressives who push PC. Progressivism was essentially hijacked by SJWs. Political correctness appeared in the 80s, after feminism got really influential in the mainstream. Using shaming, harassment,and censorship tactics to promote a hate agenda built on lies is not what progressivism was supposed to be, and those "progressives" aren't progressive in the same way that they're not liberal. many of them (example: Hillary Clinton) are war-haw…
/r/MensRights15/02/15 03:59 PM
2

You do realize that shit written for a dumb reason is still shit?
/r/MensRights15/02/15 03:34 PM
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Good start, but ideally a rant should be more angry and incoherent. B+
/r/MensRights15/02/15 03:33 PM
1

Quality rant, sir and/or madam. :D
/r/MensRights15/02/15 03:30 PM
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"I'll just try this suit on... Jesus, this thing is tight in all the wrong places. No wonder she was so bitchy."
/r/MensRights15/02/15 03:29 PM
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Take the fucking chip off your shoulder, dude. Fine, you're a Tr00 Norwegian. No one gives a fuck because we're talking about a comic character that obviously (and unapologetically) diverges from the source material. If you have a problem with that, line up with all the SJWs who insist that culture can be owned and whites aren't allowed to appropriate nonwhite culture and take a goddamn number.
/r/MensRights15/02/15 03:25 PM
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Marvel will keep dumping money into a money losing proposition only so long as it is valuable for them to do so. Whether that is PR reasons or whatever is irrelevant. I agree - let the market sort this one out.
/r/MensRights15/02/15 03:19 PM
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This isn't a progressive agenda at play I dunno, did you read the panels that have been posted in this thread? If FemThor's writing isn't pandering to feminism, I don't know what it is.
/r/MensRights15/02/15 03:17 PM
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Actually, fifteen years ago, comics was the definition of a "good old boys network". That has changed, a lot, in the last decade and a half, but that's still what comics' DNA is. Comic's core audience is young men, and that hasn't changed either. I see a difference between an industry that's misogynist and one that knowingly sells to an audience that has few or no women in it. And really, these companies are motivated by money first and foremost. If girls and women really wanted comics, and they…
/r/MensRights15/02/15 05:38 AM
1

But how many more decades do men being rape have to wait, or men being falsely accused have to wait, or fathers losing their kids have to wait, or men being unfairly treated in courts, military, all walks of life....have to wait? I'm not sure what any of that has to do with whether we hold women's behavior to the same standards we hold men's behavior to or vice versa...? I suspect a guy being raped would wish that his body was somewhat less appreciated. 40+ years of radical feminism and mens liv…
/r/MensRights15/02/15 04:01 AM
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I think it is on the best interest of the men's rights movement to not only to no criticise women being vocal about liking men's bodies, but even stimulate such behaviour Why should we encourage a double standard? the repression of women's sexuality hurts men too. I believe it is far easier to require women to treat men as men are asked to treat women than it is to convince feminists to stop hating men. If we ever get to a point where feminism is thoroughly discredited and addressing misandry is…
/r/MensRights15/02/15 12:37 AM
2

Feminists writers using the medium to promote their agenda Sure. But they do this in all media. Why would comics be any different? Because they're bastions of patriarchal traditionalism? But that was never true; it was propaganda feminists used to justify their infiltration. Remember: feminist narratives are attractive. People want to believe them, and many of those people don't understand that they're adopting lies and sexism. This is why there needs to be a powerful challenge to feminism that …
/r/MensRights15/02/15 12:16 AM
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The thing with making Thor a woman is that there is literally no need for it. There's literally no need for Thor, either. Female characters generally can't hold a title on their own Is that because there's something wrong with the characters, or because there's something wrong with women? I'm interested in seeing how the Captain Marvel movie does. Guess we'll find out a few years from now.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 11:23 PM
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I'm a lot more upset about feminist Thor than I am about woman Thor. At least woman Thor could be an egalitarian instead of a member of a hate movement.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 10:30 PM
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No one says that MRAs can't also be GLBT activists or support other causes. I can see why someone might think "the MRM supports men; gay men are men, so the MRM should support gay men who are discriminated against for being gay." But the MRM isn't really supposed to be a generic support group for men facing any issue, it's specifically to advocate for ending discrimination that hurts people because they are men. People have trouble understanding that difference.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 10:15 PM
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Ugh. I think this is one of those cases where both sides of the argument have merit. There really is a problem with representation in the media (including comics). Most major characters in modern Western media are white men - that's a fact. So, what do we do about it? Well, we could create new characters who are black or Latino or gay or women or trans or whatever. Nothing wrong with that (and people are already doing it, see Kamala Khan for one example) - except that we already have a giant sta…
/r/MensRights14/02/15 10:05 PM
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In after MattClark0095, to give him the downvote his posts always deserve. sigh
/r/MensRights14/02/15 09:31 PM
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We'll be waiting for feminists to ditch the label. I'm sure it'll happen Real Soon Now.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 07:23 PM
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Dude, you're the one in the wrong here. Other people understood the decision. Move past it.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 07:21 PM
1

They might be MRAs, or they might be trolls, or they might just like poking fun at feminism without having any deeper men's rights agenda. Can't really tell from looking.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 07:18 PM
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White knights won't know what to do with her, though. "But... but she's a woman!"
/r/MensRights14/02/15 07:15 PM
0

You think that would stop her?
/r/MensRights14/02/15 07:14 PM
1

This. Spare us your sanctimony, Jake, no one is actually being harmed.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 07:11 PM
1

Apparently we do, because the whole #meninist thing has been remarkably successful - more than I would have guessed.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 07:11 PM
1

She literally has a man's hand up her ass.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 07:10 PM
1

This is the kind of thing you keep to yourself if you don't want people to think you're an asshole.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 07:09 PM
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I haven't read the book or seen the movie, so this is partly speculation. In general, "shades of gray" is a phrase used to refer to morally complex issues where there are no absolutely good (white) or absolutely bad (black) positions; there are only positions that some would consider bad while others would consider good, or that effect both good and harm; in other words, they're "gray". BDSM can be seen as one of these sorts of issues; we're told that dominating others and inflicting pain is bad…
/r/MensRights14/02/15 07:07 PM
1

So is this considered rape? By whom?
/r/MensRights14/02/15 06:58 PM
0

Radical feminism (which is the only feminism that matters, really) has a narrative that all women are oppressed by all men who dominate them, and that all women want to throw off male domination. It's very important to their narrative that it's ALL WOMEN, because if it's only some women, that's not really enough to justify a radical reordering of society. So when even some women are like "ooo, I'd like a hot guy to dominate me!" it completely fucks up the narrative. It says #notallwomen when fem…
/r/MensRights14/02/15 06:53 PM
2

Agency comes with accountability. Some women want to be as unaccountable as possible. That's why they make the guy do everything (including, apparently, using psychic powers): whatever he does is all on him.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 06:46 PM
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eyeroll
/r/MensRights14/02/15 06:40 PM
2

Time to fire some officials.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 06:37 PM
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Liberalism espouses the ideas that all people should be free, so far as it is practical to allow, and that all people should be equal under law. Progressivism builds on this by saying that fulfilling those conditions will make society better, and that we should therefore actively work toward them using the society's power and resources. So if you're liberal or progressive, and there's evidence that someone is being treated unfairly, that's something that you should be concerned about. According …
/r/MensRights14/02/15 06:21 PM
1

I've always assumed that people who are for "blank" rights must be good people... That's how they trick you. "Don't pay any attention to the fact that I'm a liar and bully. Judge me by the cause I say I'm fighting for, not by my beliefs or my actions."
/r/MensRights14/02/15 05:54 PM
1

The fight for men's rights will not be won or lost in a moment. It's free publicity, which is still good for us. Have a deep breath and a beer, you'll live longer.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 05:50 PM
1

I don't really see this as a men's issue, because it's not related to maleness specifically. If the judge was saying that lesbians could marry but gay men couldn't, then it would be a men's issue. It's very obviously a GLBT issue and there are already GLBT organizations who can and should address it. OTOH, as long as the MRM doesn't start wandering further and further out of scope, I don't see any reason to police the occasional post like this; it would do more harm than good. shrug
/r/MensRights14/02/15 05:47 PM
2

So, just to be clear, it's okay for men to be characterized as mindless, walking, consumers Don't be fooled - Madison Avenue characterizes everyone in America as mindless walking consumers.
/r/MensRights13/02/15 10:08 PM
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On the bright side, it means the movement is perceived in our culture. I don't think we could score a TV episode about us if we tried. So, thanks for the free publicity, feminists!
/r/MensRights13/02/15 05:05 PM
1

Of course it's zero sum. There's only so much stuff (money, students, jobs, whatever) to go around.
/r/MensRights13/02/15 05:03 PM
1

Hey! I resemble that remark.
/r/MensRights13/02/15 04:56 PM
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Your concern is noted.
/r/MensRights13/02/15 09:25 AM
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He won, though. One step closer to justice for him, and there's a precedent now. That's gotta be worth something.
/r/MensRights13/02/15 09:14 AM
1

It's a burdensome waste of resource to conduct a study twice if there is little likelihood of gender specific variations. As I understand it, gender-specific variations have been found in unexpected places.
/r/MensRights13/02/15 09:12 AM
5

Accepting false claims feminism makes on its own behalf helps no one but feminists.
/r/MensRights13/02/15 09:05 AM
4

God, I know, right? What kind of monster would exploit the abuse of women in gaming?
/r/MensRights12/02/15 11:19 PM
1

Also, you might be raped while in prison, so it's like "which is worse: being raped, or being completely demonized and ostracized by society and probably also raped?"
/r/MensRights12/02/15 09:40 PM
2

“Can we have one conversation about feminism where men get to be in charge?” The character and his concerns are laughable feminism is for everyone The contradiction speaks volumes. This kind of satire is difficult, because even discussing the ideas that motivate MRAs is to risk being called an apologist for them because a misandrist hate group will viciously and senselessly attack anyone who even questions its narrative. Oh wait, I'm in that hate group. I'm one of the haters. The people chilling…
/r/MensRights12/02/15 08:59 PM
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I can't for the life of me wrap my head around "why" they don't want people to be informed or end abuse... Because they're not actually interested in making the world better. They just want power and attention. They're selfish and hateful and use social issues as a platform to attack people and a shield from criticism.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 08:50 PM
1

Awesome quote. But really, 3rd wave feminism is just the development of the seed that 1st wave feminism planted. The misandry and special pleading were already apparent there, and the radfems in the 2nd wave just made it completely explicit and dared the world to do anything about it.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 07:33 PM
1

How can you support someone who says they are a victim of rape while also not presuming that the accused is guilty? You can't. Good catch. How can you be fair to both parties? By impartially investigating the claim.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 07:24 PM
-1

you should not make people sit through videos, provide transcripts
/r/MensRights12/02/15 07:23 PM
7

The point is there's no consensus. You can't say that people use "creep" in a reasonable and measured fashion, because they don't. Oh, and the person who creep-shamed me on the bus was behind me. Not in front of my camera. Not having her picture taken.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 07:19 PM
1

If the public were asked to vote on it, I think they would vote against it. But if the government just said "this is the way it's going to be from now on, deal with it" the people would grumble, but they wouldn't revolt.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 07:12 PM
9

I still don't understand how feminists can possibly justify arguing against someone who is A) supporting one of their causes and B) providing pertinent information to help end domestic abuse for both sexes. Because they don't WANT to end abuse for both sexes. They don't even want people to know that both sexes are abused. They don't want people to even think about it. He's being attacked because he went off-message and weakened the narrative. That's it.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 07:11 PM
11

I've been creep-shamed for taking non-sexual pictures of people on the bus without asking, so you're wrong. (I had a portrait assignment for a photography class, I didn't have any friends who wanted me to shoot them for it, and I wanted something candid and interesting, not a shot of someone posing awkwardly for a stranger. I did eventually get a good photo, but not without a death glare from the subject.)
/r/MensRights12/02/15 07:09 PM
3

Feminist viciously abuses strawman! Film at 11.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 08:12 AM
7

I don't consider feminism to be a misandrist female supremacy movement. Then you misunderstand feminism - which raises the question of why you're moderating feminist subs to begin with.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 07:11 AM
4

Ask me anything. If your intent is to be friendly to MRAs, why do you support a misandrist female supremacy movement? Why do you feel that misandrist female supremacists and MRAs can work together when they have no common goal?
/r/MensRights12/02/15 06:59 AM
2

I don't think the right-wingers here, for the most part, expect lockstep - if they just learned to act like grown fucking adults, instead of constantly indulging their biases, we'd all get along. Which is the whole point of people here recognizing "it's not about left or right". Except that only some of us, apparently, can recognize that, and some of us have to constantly run the other side down (and before anyone points out this is what I'm doing: I abandoned the little ceasefire thing we had w…
/r/MensRights12/02/15 03:56 AM
0

What history are you referring to specifically? This subreddit and how the right can't go a week without a circular firing squad. Oh, and the whole thing where you whine about how awful progress is and how unfair it is that you're being forced to do something that's for your own good? Very teenage angst of you. Why don't you run away where I'll never see you again? Then I'll be sorry.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 01:01 AM
1

I don't know if the tendency toward identity politics made the left such fertile ground for feminism or if it was actually the result of feminism's rise to power. The focus on social change and new ideas made them the best suckers for feminism's con job. Once the feminists got in, they did what they always do: divide, accuse, generate bullshit, consolidate power. Basically they turned the left into Left+ the same way they turned atheism into Atheism+.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 11:23 PM
1

I don't know why it's so hard for lefties to call out this bigoted authoritarianism masquerading as the left http://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2vjmml/older_dudes_long_post_on_porn_campus_rape/coiki23
/r/MensRights11/02/15 11:19 PM
5

If that was the only thing those politicians were like, they'd probably be more popular. Too bad there are, y'know, other issues.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 11:18 PM
1

What matters isn't their size but their influence.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 10:31 PM
1

She believes that it's acceptable to knowingly send innocent men to prison. There will be no reasoning with this person. Either expose them to public scrutiny, or disengage. A million zillion bonus points if you can somehow secure her imprisonment, so that she has to live according to her espoused principles.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 10:30 PM
8

they have a right to feel safe. No one has the right to a feeling.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 10:23 PM
2

Downvoting for lack of paragraphs. C'mon, people, this shit is not optional.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 10:21 PM
1

If they're that submissive in their normal life, the popular stereotype suggests that they like really male-dominant porn.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 10:20 PM
1

Unfortunately, some people really do need to sit down and shut up because they have nothing of value to contribute, and they usually can't figure that out for themselves.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 10:19 PM
2

Of course she's a feminist. That's what feminism is: man-hating female supremacy.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 10:17 PM
1

It's definitely not what we were doing to black people a century or two ago.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 10:14 PM
1

Voter fraud is not actually a significant concern anywhere in America. If someone says we need ID card laws to prevent fraud, look for the real agenda.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 10:11 PM
2

The two parties exist essentially as puppets for the 1%. The Republican party exists to drag the window, and the Democratic party exists to let them.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 10:10 PM
10

Not my fight. I'm childless and once I'm dead y'all can fuck yourselves - nothing personal.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 10:00 PM
2

If you don't even have a goddamned ID card, how the hell are you responsible or informed enough to have a say in the leadership? But we let anti-vaxers vote. If we're going to draw up a list of who's not good enough to have a say in public representation in this country, not having an ID card goes way down the list.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 09:57 PM
3

Don't confuse left-wing politics with a conservative social agenda.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 09:54 PM
1

The best way for them to speak out is from where they are now, so they appear as what they are - moderates uncomfortable with their own party's radicalisation. And the conservatives on both sides of the party divide are doing their best to alienate and polarize those moderates: Republicans, by accusing them of supporting tyranny and hugboxes, and SJWs, by asking them if they really want to be Republicans. If someone left of Republicans came out publicly against feminism and for men, would he fin…
/r/MensRights11/02/15 09:48 PM
3

I'm an American and I'm well aware of this. Our two major parties are Republicans and Republicans II and both are run by the 1%.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 09:45 PM
-3

If they really wanted to improve society, they'd burn themselves.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 09:38 PM
3

But - but - but math is patriarchy!
/r/MensRights11/02/15 09:38 PM
2

They won't cut the shit. History proves this. Now what? I'm all for purging them. We can't fight alongside men who can't decide whether they'd rather attack misandry or us, and if they're so against liberalism and progressivism then they're in the wrong group.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 09:32 PM
2

If there wasn't such pervasive, normalized misandry in society, maybe all those confused egalitarians that currently identify as members of a hate movement would recognize how toxic feminism actually is and walk away, and once they walked they wouldn't be conflicted about calling out feminism.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 09:30 PM
6

He MADE her want to have sex with him using his Patriarchy Power! It's not her fault!
/r/MensRights11/02/15 08:58 PM
1

Honestly, it would be easier to "accidentally" hit them with a truck and back over them a few times than to sue them, and probably more productive. Of course, doing that makes you the bad guy, somehow.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 08:57 PM
3

Or, you know, you could learn how things actually work. Also, you need a new keyboard.
/r/MensRights10/02/15 11:50 PM
3

Pageviews are worth almost nothing these days; advertisers want clickthroughs and conversions. What do you think is the chance you'll actually be interested in a product or service advertised on one of these sites? If it's "not at all", advertisers won't waste their money on you. So relax. Personally, I'd avoid these sites for the sake of your blood pressure - but they're not getting rich off of selling ads. That's what Patreon is for. :P
/r/MensRights10/02/15 10:48 PM
3

The partisan Democrats love him, because Democrat. People confuse those with the left wing.
/r/MensRights10/02/15 09:36 PM
2

I think it's an imperfect analogy, and unlikely to do more to convince anyone of the facts than a straightforward telling of the facts.
/r/MensRights10/02/15 08:00 PM
12

Near as I could tell, Gillian Anderson was never particularly bright. People just confused her with Scully.
/r/MensRights10/02/15 06:40 PM
6

No, he'll be attacked by Democratic partisans and SJWs posing as the left. The real left isn't happy with Obama. Not surprised you can't tell the difference.
/r/MensRights10/02/15 06:28 PM
16

"The secret to a long employment is always letting your boss get their way."
/r/MensRights10/02/15 06:09 PM
0

Men are raised to be adults. They're required to work hard, endure hardship, and assume responsibility. Our culture raises women to be irresponsible children, and feminism encourages this by teaching them to blame others and make excuses for their own failings. It's not the fault of little girls that they are taught like this, and it's not an artifact of biology either - but until the culture changes, yes, men and women are generally going to be different in this regard.
/r/MensRights10/02/15 05:59 PM
-1

Not sexism, just fact. The adult women, wherever they are, won't be the ones in arguments.
/r/MensRights10/02/15 01:33 AM
26

Holy shit. Epic fail. GG has gotta be ROLLING right now.
/r/MensRights09/02/15 09:20 PM
3

There are plenty of bullshit ideologies that say that if we did away with their devil everything would magically be better, even what that makes no fucking sense. It's like when libertarians think if there were no FDA everyone could treat their diseases with untested miracle drugs, meat sellers would voluntarily pay private organizations to certify their meat, and there would never be any bad consequences visited on anyone who didn't deserve it.
/r/MensRights09/02/15 09:19 PM
3

I am not interested in fashion and if I had the opportunity to wear non-stereotypical clothing I wouldn't, but I think men should have more options than the now-standard man uniform.
/r/MensRights09/02/15 09:15 PM
-3

You should argue with women the way you argue with children, since the women you are likely to argue with are like children.
/r/MensRights09/02/15 09:13 PM
1

People from Poland aren't true Scotsmen. Egalitarians aren't feminists. Get out of here with that fallacy crap.
/r/MensRights09/02/15 07:46 PM
39

Why would you get rid of such a useful warning?
/r/MensRights09/02/15 07:26 AM
8

Surprised she's not claiming sexual assault, frankly. "As I sat there drinking wine I couldn't afford, I Googled ways to earn money that don't require any actual work, training, or talent, and I found one where I'll get paid just to lay around next to men! I have no particular love or empathy for men, but I was so desperate to not have to get a real job that I went for it." "Later, while we were cuddling, his hand came near my butt! MAH PEARLS!" "Finally, I only had most of an hour to go. I trie…
/r/MensRights08/02/15 11:51 PM
5

See I don't understand how you can say that its a female supremacy movement. If you can't see it after reading articles here for months, I'm certainly not going to waste my time.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 11:07 PM
2

It is, but the sex-negative side is much, MUCH more influential - so much that it makes real sex-positive egalitarians (they're not really feminists) look like fringe weirdos.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 11:05 PM
2

I haven't seen Feminists push for consensual acts to be made into rape. I bet you have. But they won't say it plainly because they would be laughed off the planet. You have to find it between the lines. Look at how they argued for affirmative consent. According to them, a woman can have an established partner, she can send him messages talking about how she wants to have sex later, and then they can have that sex and she can do nothing to refuse or resist him and we're still expected to believe …
/r/MensRights08/02/15 11:02 PM
6

I've read the articles, the stories and the discussions for months But apparently either you read the wrong ones, or you didn't learn anything from them. Feminism is a female supremacy movement. The thing that it wants is not equality. It is fundamentally misandrist, which is why it is not possible to be a feminist and an MRA. These facts are inherent in the name, in the theory, and feminists have proven it again and again with their behavior. It is possible to be a gender egalitarian and an MRA…
/r/MensRights08/02/15 08:59 PM
9

Reading this sub, I get pretty used to seeing critiques of feminism. But this is one of the most scathing and unapologetic beatdowns I've seen from an ordinary media outlet that isn't leaning well to the right. Someone stick a PROGRESS flair on this post.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 05:19 PM
4

Seems to generally confirm a popular redpillish narrative: typical women like being dominated, they don't want to screw their friends, and they prefer partners who are a little older than them. (Of course, TRP would hold that these preferences are biologically driven, and that has not been proven.)
/r/MensRights08/02/15 05:12 PM
2

Yes, thank you.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 04:58 PM
4

I just think if we want true equallity we need to lay everything flat on the table and realize the people with "POWER" are the people with money. There are different kinds of power in society. Wealth is certainly a big one. But women have power too, and it will continue to be a problem as long as society's failure to recognize and understand it allows women to continue to abuse it.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 04:18 PM
6

Please look at my post history prior to casting aspersions. If you're not a troll, you're still an asswipe. Same difference as far as I'm concerned. Fact is that Gamergate attempted to coordinate and fight back Fact is that GG is still in denial about what it's fighting.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 04:14 PM
2

What did you mean by this? GGers - some, anyway - like to pretend that gaming media is their only enemy. It's not. Feminism is their enemy too. They are fighting feminism, whether they recognize that or not, because feminism is fighting them. And it's not just gaming media that's against them, it's all the media, just to a lesser extent.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 04:12 PM
13

(I dunno if the admin at /v/mensrights is a good guy or not, for instance) Remember what happened to 4chan.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 04:09 PM
1

What is at issue is the actual state of mind of the accused Which you cannot possibly determine, and have only the accused's word for. and the complainant Ditto. The reason why "reasonable person" tests exist is because the law is not always capable of articulating exactly what behavior should be legal or illegal. In the absence of formal legal guidance, the only way for people to know what is acceptable and legal behavior is by observing social norms. Having a "reasonable person" standard allow…
/r/MensRights08/02/15 03:47 PM
5

Tradcons are no friend to men either.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 03:45 PM
2

Gamergate is fighting a small group of commercial opponents who are dependent on an even smaller group of sponsors for their existence I wonder when the rest of GG will realize that it's not a coincidence that the corrupt journalistic institutions they're fighting are closely allied with SJWs and using SJW messages and tactics to smear GG and white male gamers, and that it's not possible to dictate the scope of your opposition.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 03:43 PM
2

Funny. You don't sound like a Gamergater. You sound like an asswipe troll pretending to be a Gamergater. You guys are literally the butt of a thousand jokes on all sides No, just some sides. Like the one you're actually on.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 03:40 PM
8

Since early on in high school everywhere I go girls harass me about my ass and how 'They just want to smack it' and often they do... Tell 'em they can smack it if you can smack theirs first. Or, you know, don't. But it seems like a perfect opening for some aggressive flirting, if you're interested in that. I never got chances like that when I was in school, or else I just didn't notice them. This happens often and once it was a girl who identified as a feminist, when I brought it up to her and t…
/r/MensRights08/02/15 03:30 PM
16

Do people really just throw around these cards without actually knowing what the damn meaning of the word?! Yes.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 02:26 PM
1

sigh
/r/MensRights08/02/15 02:15 PM
1

Yeah, my bad. I should know better. Fuck off, concern troll.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 06:45 AM
5

If I had a nickel for every... you know what, fuck it. You owe me a nickel for this bullshit. People will believe what they want to believe. Look here: in 2003, we started a war with Iraq on false pretenses. We told ourselves that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling chemical weapons, and that he might have been supporting terr'ists, even though we knew it was bullshit, and then we went and spent hundreds of billions of dollars blowing people up so that our country's dick would look so huge that the I…
/r/MensRights08/02/15 05:52 AM
2

I've seen what you say...on tumbr. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman anyone that came out with that would be crucified by every facet of the media Which is why they don't say it outright. Thinking victims should be believed is a looooong way from thinking that regretted sex is rape. It's a long way from LA to San Diego if you ignore the map and head north. All you're showing me is that you're willing to ignore reality if it conflicts with what you want to believe. What do you thi…
/r/MensRights08/02/15 05:16 AM
2

Also unless you have some sources for those new ideas of rape that aren't tumble i call BS. "I've seen that what you say is true, but I don't want to agree with you, so I'm going to dismiss my own observations as irrelevant and demand new ones in the hopes that you won't produce any." It's your lucky day. Hoist your own shovel. I have never, ever heard a prominent feminist say that sex that is regretted after the fact is rape. Most people, feminists included, have a sense for when something is s…
/r/MensRights08/02/15 04:51 AM
4

Making something criminal that wasn't criminal before is by definition criminalizing. Used to be rape was something you did to a strange woman who was passed out, or with a knife or something. Back then it was viewed as a horrible crime and rightly so. But now, see how feminists are trying to expand "rape"! If a woman has had a single drop of alcohol, or any other recreational drug, her ability to consent magically vanishes and they say it's rape even if she seemed horny as hell and initiated th…
/r/MensRights08/02/15 03:19 AM
1

Radical Feminists would fall more under the Leftists label. The (economic) left doesn't have much love for feminists, since they're always whining about patriarchy and demanding attention when the left is trying to end classism - in fact they view feminists are useful idiots for the money power.
/r/MensRights08/02/15 03:07 AM
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