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I wouldn't worry about it, you responded fine. Offering to help someone is always a little weird in that way, and it's always (well, almost always) perfectly valid to turn it down. Being witty about it may have sent a few mixed signals his way if he was offering because he was interested in you, but honestly it's not a big deal. My guess is he was worried you were going to make a big deal about it and get mad. I doubt you crushed his desire to help people out with that response.
/r/RedPillWomen18/09/24 04:48 PM
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The best advice for conscientious guys that I can offer is to ask the girl out who strikes your fancy pretty much as soon as you see her and think about it. Take her response at face value. You'll come across as assertive and confident, and you'll feel much less like you have a huge investment that you need a return on.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 01:15 AM
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There are categories and there are subcategories. For obvious reasons, subcategories like to pretend like they're the entire category. PUA garbage is a subcategory of Red Pill. The other "grand narratives" aren't usually part of PUA garbage (except maybe to justify it).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 05:04 PM
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For one person in one lifetime? No. However, you said "without a faith in something greater." Even the nonreligious countries mentioned believe in "something greater" than themselves individually. They tend to be very collectivist and not individualistic. In the US, there's a reason our hyper-individualist country's individuals' traditionalism seems to be inexorably tied with our religious beliefs. Individualism is inherently anti-traditional in the long term. In short, it will probably work for…
/r/RedPillWomen15/12/23 10:22 PM
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There are a couple of things going on here. First of all, there is some truth to the idea that suppression of desires causes them to build. However that's not the full truth, as you need exposure to the triggers of those desires in order for this to happen. This is why Conservative cultures on the "edge" of their conservatism (with deep knowledge of the alternatives and without a fairly extreme sense of disgust towards them) seem to have this problem a lot. Conservative cultures that succeed in …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:17 PM
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There are different types of loneliness. Celebrities are often extremely lonely, but obviously that loneliness is very different from that of a guy with no friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:37 PM
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The whole point is always in the context of "Sexual Market Value" or SMV and its close cousin, "Relationship Market Value" or RMV. The focus is on that "chase" before the relationship is established. Which would guys rather pick if they value a family? It's not that complicated. People take it to mean a lot more than what it means because a lot of visible women (culturally "beautiful" women) and even some men try to hold on to that SMV long after they're married with a family and should have oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:03 PM
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She "still hates you for breaking it off" because it was the breaking off that made you interesting. Don't fall for it.
/r/MensRights13/12/23 01:33 AM
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It all depends what the men are going for, and what their realistic expectations are. The point about virginity is that when men are wanting a relationship in the same way that women want a relationship (stable, decades-long, family establishing, etc), the men prefer virgins because experience having sex doesn't matter for anything that guy values. Having a string of ex attachments does matter for those things, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 08:33 PM
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My perspective is it's men using the same tactics that have been used against them by various hateful feminists over the past decades. Have you seen the delight in male misery that has been common in public media over the past 50 or so years?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 08:21 PM
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This is such an obviously female prognosis on a male condition that I didn't even need your tag to realize you were female. Only a woman would project that guys want so very much above everything else to be thought about. I'm not saying that what the guys are doing is any better, but geez. Learn how to think outside of your own experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 08:19 PM
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Yes because the world isn't simply transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:32 PM
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Yeah well now you're just being dishonest. Nothing personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:48 PM
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Because if they all decided to take "mental health days" your entire world would collapse into violent anarchy and starvation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:47 PM
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Well clearly I'm more in favor of changing the benefits/risks associated with terrible behavior. I've seen enough supposed crashes through history (I'm sure traditionalists in the 1970s figured surely the impending collapse was going to teach everyone a good lesson) to have little faith in the current insanity crashing resulting in anything good.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:48 PM
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Unfortunately I used a no-no word or phrase somewhere which means it had to get approved by mods. Pretty sure that stifles its grown in the Reddit Algorithm since the first hour is very important to post virality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:45 PM
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It worked in this case though, if you read the story.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:33 PM
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This has nothing to do with putting anyone on a pedestal. It is true that certain prefeminist ideas were definitely precursors to feminism (gynocentric is the key operating word). But the biggest problem in the modern world is the atomization of people through over-individualism. Men and women together in married units function far better than either on their own. Whether one is more awful than the other is completely irrelevant. Whether certain marital traditions are uncomfortably close to mode…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:32 PM
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I get it that you breathe the victim mentality and don't even recognize it. It's like asking a fish to describe water. Men desiring validation isn't a hard ask unless you are so ensconced with self-victimization that you see someone else getting validation as a personal attack. That is a problem on your part, not the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:28 PM
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This is a ridiculously low bar. "Oh let it all collapse THEN everyone will know we were right!" No, what actually will happen is things will almost collapse then some ideologue with terrible ideas will fill the power vacuum and nobody will be thinking about the lessons learned. Fix the problem or suffer the consequences. Accelerationism is cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:24 PM
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I'm not speaking strictly individually. This woman criticizing this man will affect far more than just him. The point I'm making is that there needs to be a pattern, even if it's just her testifying at his court hearing to make sure he gets off.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:23 PM
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I've heard of men receiving a single compliment from someone (usually a girl before she is taught not to say such things) and hanging onto that compliment for years. Also many men feel worthless and unsure of themselves and, when asked, report never having received any kind of encouragement from anyone, much less a genuine one from a woman. It will help the issue surely. As to if there are more things to untangle before we reach a truly functional society, that's harder to tell. And women mainta…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:21 PM
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But hardly my problem. It may not be in the immediate sense, but the long-term issues that this is going to create will certainly bite everyone in the butt.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:15 PM
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Fair enough. I read elsewhere that she said she would've been more impressed had he stopped the mugger without his gun.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:14 PM
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So you don't live in an area where there are any police, army protection, infrastructure, or any modern amenities that require underpaid men to keep them running at an affordable cost? I live in an Amish community, and none of the Amish women I've met have that attitude. But I don't know where you are from, perhaps you are even more removed from being the beneficiary of millions of hard-working and honest men than the Amish. In which case, maybe this attitude would be factually accurate (but sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:12 PM
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It's either that or drown.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:08 PM
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This presumes 1) the feminist talking point about historical female subjugation has any basis in reality (it doesn't) and 2) even if true, it's a good idea to engage in retributive action (it isn't). Victim mentalities are bad for everyone. Both you, and the people forced to interact with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:08 PM
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The message (intended or not) has been received loud and clear and I’m not bitter at all because it literally requires less effort from me and increases my likelihood of personal safety. :D Full disagree here. Pre-feminist structures are worth defending, because they work better overall and result in greater safety for all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:05 PM
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This isn't just about benefitting men. Women suffer because of this messaging as well. Also your whole "men also have to work" schtick is nice and all if there was a well-defined path forward for men to work towards. But that's what this whole question is about - direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:03 PM
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Yeah, this is typical response I expected from this. I don't think women's problem is that they don't feel validated enough - it's very possible to be over-validated to the point that it makes you feel inadequate the other way (modern women are clearly in that ditch). This isn't a men vs women thing. It's about finding the right messages to tell the different groups of people. I think that the current feminist message of telling women to look at men with suspicion instead of appreciation is ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:02 PM
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Why lie then and call yourself progressive? If what you say is accurate, doesn't that make progressivism nothing more than a comfortable and fashionable lie that we tell ourselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:51 PM
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The answer is simple. The guys you are talking to just are not that into you. My guess is you are talking to guys that are showing you a certain kind of attention. Modern guys who are just looking for a quick lay will always seem to show a more intense interest up front (and be easier) than guys who are looking for something long-term. Guys looking for something long-term will seem more standoffish at first, because they need to vet you first before getting into anything deep. Guys looking for s…
/r/RedPillWomen13/11/23 07:38 PM
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Love isn't a contest. It's a commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:39 PM
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Porn is a 2d thin shadow of what you have with your spouse, not the other way around. Married people can do much more for each other than porn does.
/r/RedPillWomen10/11/23 06:38 PM
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It's the casual lying and the lack of desired intimacy. Obviously there's a deeper problem that she doesn't want to address.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:12 PM
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Men never oppressed women as a class. That is made-up historical revisionism. Once you let go of that, everything else makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 06:53 PM
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Men as a group bring far more to the table to women now than in the past. Men individually bring far less.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:56 PM
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"It's the current year" argument makes it automatically invalid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:59 PM
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It seems like most men (on PPD at least) would rather date a sedentary smoker who’s thin than a woman who works out, eats right, & doesn’t smoke but who is overweight. How about none of the above?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:55 PM
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It's 100% people asking shitty questions like "whose fault it it" instead of improving things that they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 09:55 PM
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Yes, and men were being pushed into sleeping around with as many women as they could, leading to damaged relationships and countless psychological issues. The sexual revolution is where the stuff really got heading down the drain.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 09:49 PM
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Not to their own interests You know that society also shapes interests, right? You're projecting your interests, which are hugely shaped by a postfeminist society, onto women who had very different interests that were more in line with their society. The contributions of prefeminist women were far greater than the fake stuff we tell women is "important" today. Oh great, being a cubicle wageslave is so much more empowering than teaming up with a man and raising a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 09:48 PM
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Did feminism replace wives with paid women, like nurses and teachers? I don't think so. It's called porn. Single men handle the rest themselves. And yes, every husband did things for their wives that single women have to rely on cops, plumbers, electricians, and soldiers to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 09:45 PM
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Dating has been broken since at least the late 1970s.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 03:55 PM
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Yes, they're going to spend more money. I have an older single sister, she literally spends money to cope with her sadness of being single. Cash in if you're smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 03:55 PM
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The only thing that was deconstructed was the patriarchy - women don't need a male partner anymore. You need male police officers to keep you safe, male plumbers to keep your water running, male movers to mover your heavy objects, male electricians to repair electrical issues in the middle of storms, male soldiers to protect you from foreign pressures... Feminism only replaced the husband with a series of paid men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 03:53 PM
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Therapists will literally evaluate a guy right before he commits suicide and say he's fine. There's a whole study on how a huge majority of male suicides have zero indicators of mental issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 03:50 PM
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Shoot, I left it out. Basically if you compare the numbers from 2019 with 2022, the gap shrunk by almost half (men had a 15% drop from 65% to 50%, while women only dropped from 38% to 35%), which would indicate that it's indeed closing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 03:48 PM
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I think the biggest problem is the hyper-promiscuous men at the top. IMO some level of shaming is in order (shaming that actually works, not this faux outrage that women put on right before sleeping with one of these men).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 03:46 PM
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It's the same thing. You ask women why they're not interested, it's because they'll say what they want isn't out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 03:44 PM
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Here's my full quote: the gravy train that women have "enjoyed" (apparently not, because they're not interested in relationships/dates)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 03:43 PM
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The average woman's response to a lack of attention from the average man is relief and "lol bye." This is true, initially. But this only can happen as long as she feels like she can get a better guy. What happens when her needs aren't met there anymore? Hint: it's not "lol bye"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:24 PM
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Look at the chart I linked, they have the data from 2019 and 2022. There is a huge drop in male interest from 2019 to 2022, while women's stayed mostly the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:22 PM
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I like how you can just casually laugh at the different emotional needs guys carry to the table. Guys will run headlong into a hailstorm of bullets if they believe in a cause. Do you really think that they care much if they are "liked" or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:21 PM
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Well, if you read the article, men went from 65% looking to 50% looking between 2019 and 2022. So you're getting your wish (if the trend continues).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:18 PM
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I think it’s important to highlight that if men could get laid whenever they wanted without commitment the number of men seeking relationships likely would be smaller imo. The thing is, men don't need to actually get laid more in order to have this perspective. They just have to believe it. Which is why cultural expectation is so powerful here, and why I think it's readily possible to completely flip the dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:16 PM
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Honestly it's kind of sad how modern cultural revolutionaries radically deconstructed a complex culture of dynamics that worked between men and women, but nobody seems willing to deconstruct what they put in its place. Where you you think you got that feeling of undesirability?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:14 PM
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Men are systematically groomed into being sex-crazed simps from a very young age.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:12 PM
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being unable to contribute to society The fact that this was a thing feminists actually believe about prefeminist women is just ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:11 PM
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I think there's a lot of validity to this argument, but I'm not convinced it's impossible at least in the long haul. Sooner or later, the whole thing of women not bettering themselves while men are constantly doing so is going to catch up with the culture. It's going to be over decades, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:09 PM
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I could see a mechanism happening, especially in a post-metoo era, where it's just too risky for guys to even get involved with hookups, women stop presenting themselves publicly in sexually alluring ways by default (see "modern" overweight and ugly models), and women keep suffering under the mental issues brought on by social media use.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/23 04:04 PM
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I doubt people like Carl Rogers thought they were doing something feminine that was useless to men. Why wouldn't they? 99% of what I do with my job benefits other people, not myself. They do pay me, of course...
/r/MensRights26/01/23 02:17 AM
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The very idea of talking to solve any and all problems is a feminized approach. Women get a therapeutic catharsis simply from talking that simply doesn't benefit men nearly as much.
/r/MensRights21/01/23 12:46 AM
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The Millennials are no longer posting here, and now it's mostly Gen Z.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 11:24 PM
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It sounds like you're just really good at attracting hoes. That's all it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 11:09 PM
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It's because women don't actually like it when their men give in to everything. The American women are right to not like American men, wrong when they say what these men should do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 10:50 PM
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I'm 32, willing to date younger down to the age/2 + 7 rule. Currently that's 23-32. What that rule amounts to is I will date girls born in 1990-1999, and every two years I increase the last number by one. For reference, all of my exes were 1-3 years older then me, and it just doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 06:50 PM
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The dark triad thing makes sense though. There's plenty of evidence that people just "don't see" people that they don't find attractive. So women who have this terrifying imagination of most men who are all of these bad things only experience that because they only see those men. They are fixated on them, and they see the non-dark triad things that other men are as completely irrelevant. Also, porn is an example of messing with men's empathy, not messing with their feelings of desire to degrade.…
/r/MensRights14/01/23 12:33 AM
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The question in the post is referring to having deep discussions and actually going through your needs and wants, basically outlining your minimum expectations and coming to an agreement? I don't operate this rigorously. It's just a trap, because people change all the time. You're aiming at a moving target and then trying to hold it down and essentially implying that you will leave otherwise. I take a much more dynamic approach personally. If there's a spark, we figure out how to meet each other…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:29 AM
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The whole narrative about the evolutionary origins of everything. It just strikes me as completely unnecessary as an explanation for things. I'm pretty sure you can fit literally any pattern of behavior into some kind of explanation involving evolutionary biology. Also in regards to your stated skepticism, it's possible that both things are true. It can be true that actual survivors of sexual assault are not often believed (mostly because conclusive evidence is so hard to come by), and be true t…
/r/RedPillWomen13/01/23 11:36 PM
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You know what's better than "the real thing?" Not cheating on your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 07:31 PM
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Men want relationships, just not with the women they experience and not under the conditions of modern relationships. If men are complaining about getting no sex when single, would it be better to get some sex in a relationship? Why is that seen as a consolation prize? The funny thing about this is, there's plenty of evidence that people in committed relationships have far more sex than basically 90% of all single people out there. But that's just evidence that it's not about the sex, it's about…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 08:23 PM
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The PUA side of TRP is anti-monogamy. The Trad side of TRP is very pro-monogamy, just not the modern version of it. Have you ever seen The Matrix? Do you understand the reference about the pills?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 08:21 PM
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Something you need to keep in mind about social media algorithms is that they serve you up with posts that you're most likely to engage with. If you regularly engage with posts where guys are saying "I can get a relationship but I don't want one because of casual sex," then Reddit (a social media company) is going to push those types of posts to the top. Also cognitive bias plays a roll here. You're probably also not noticing the posts of guys saying other things, like that they want relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 08:18 PM
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If that year is the first year of a lifetime and exclusively committed relationship, then it wouldn't be. But yes, if you hop from one partner to the next in pseudo-committed relationships, then it's far more casual than a lifetime exclusive committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 08:10 PM
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Evolution does not happen on 50 year timescales. You have zero idea what is going to work in the long term. Well, we do have an idea, because we know a way that worked for thousands of years. The modern ideas that you're speaking of only work in the shadow of a traditional system. Even now, you can see the cracks in society (and I'm not just talking about Divorce rates). People are also lonelier.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 08:08 PM
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Disgust is a feature of the human experience, not a bug. It keeps us away from toxicity in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 08:04 PM
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His dick isn't too small for you. You have a weird fixation on big dicks. This isn't a him problem, it's a you problem that he just happens to not be able to gloss over easily. So yes, you can appreciate your partner for the loving caring person he is while still acknowledging that you have a dick envy problem that the two of you need to work on. Geez we live in a technologically advanced society, why don't you just buy some bedroom toys that you guys can use in your time together that way he ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 08:03 PM
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Putting a guy in the friend zone is what % the woman’s fault? Putting a woman in the fuck zone is what % the woman’s fault? Everyone is 100% responsible for their choices. In both cases, it's 100% the girl's fault and 100% the guy's fault for the choices they make. It's the contents of the choices that matter, not the mere magnitude. So what were the choices? Everyone knows that fucking is a big deal. Both parties in the case of fucking had to make that choice in order for there to be a tango. I…
/r/RedPillWomen07/01/23 07:57 PM
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You work hard to support a family of 10 by working 12 hour days six days a week. That's not happening. If I have that many children that fast, I'm enlisting the help of extended family and church to make sure that I have enough time with my family at whatever my income level is at. And that kind of answers the rest of the questions. If I'm having that many kids, I'm not doing the whole "atomized nuclear family" routine as that is completely impossible. We need close family friends that can help …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 01:53 AM
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I would define all sex outside of a lifetime exclusive relationship to be casual, so probably like 80% at the very least. Don't give enough of a shit about the second question to bother thinking about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 01:48 AM
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First off, what would you, specifically, do in this situation? I would get serious about the relationship, stop sleeping together, and adjust my expectations. You're never getting that honeymoon phase back. Accept this, and move on with the new normal. Is the hurt I've caused irreparable? If so, then why is he still engaging with me? I'm sure he has zero clue as to whether the hurt is irreparable or not either. He's feeling it out, same as you (but in his own way). Do we only get one shot at a h…
/r/RedPillWomen07/01/23 01:46 AM
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Spending your life constantly chasing a dream honeymoon feeling isn't healthy either.
/r/RedPillWomen07/01/23 01:39 AM
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women are chilling. Women aren't chilling. We just went through an entire #MeToo movement, and women have more mental issues today than ever. They're f*cked up in the head.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 01:26 AM
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one cannot expect the typical American to even think about there being something other than their own culture. You obviously have never been in the US lol. We're constantly bombarded with dumb irrelevant garbage about other cultures (usually in defense of some new degeneracy "here's an obscure culture where the women all do the fighting, which is why men need to pay women Alimony!") Divorce rate is strongly trending down for decades. Whatever you think is happening to marriage is not happening, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 01:21 AM
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This is why the chase needs a clear destination.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:49 AM
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I'll assume you're asking this honestly. Simping behavior is when people go out of their way to make someone feel good without requiring anything in return. Imagine you have a friend that "just hangs out and has a few beers and a few laughs" but always buys the best beer, always tries really hard to make you laugh, always says nice things about you, and is always available to hang out with you no matter what. Sounds like a great friend, right? None of your other friends make you feel that good a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:48 AM
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there’s nothing my boyfriend can do. He has a 6” penis and I like my men between 7-8” This is the grossest thing I've heard in a long time, holy fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:43 AM
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Unfortunately a person can be a great bf without being a good lover and sexual needs shouldn’t be overlooked either. That's complete horseshit. If you're dicing apart your partner than this, you have a problem. Why not just get the bets of both worlds? It never works out like that. You can't just pick and choose things and expect them to all work together like they did in the contexts that you observed them. It's like the whole multicultural argument - we want to pick and choose aspects of diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:42 AM
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Which sounds all well and good, but it never wins out once the Prisoner's Dilemma has gained some steam. We live in a world literally built by generations upon generations of people leaving the world in a better place than they found it. I am not going to be the selfish bastard that destroyed it all. To keep with the theme of religion: Trying to save Sodom and Gomorrah is probably a waste of time. To keep with the Biblical story, that didn't stop us from trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:39 AM
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If you’re a guy and you fuck someone, you’re telling them that a real commitment is on the the table. No absolutely not. This is why I don't fuck women before marriage, because you all think that it means something to guys when in reality it's more like taking a hit of a drug. Also fucking outside of a commitment is just bad all around, it removes important emotional context (as evidenced by you pulling commitment out of thin air with it). Simping, on the other hand, is taking a natural thing (c…
/r/RedPillWomen07/01/23 12:36 AM
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I didn't say pretend that you were religious. "Being a part of" implies you're actually in good standing. Cultural shifts don't happen very quickly. Cultural shifts happen slowly, then quickly. There were huge shifts in the 1970s, then fairly small incremental shifts over the next few decades, and the past 10 years have been a bit of a shitshow as well. I think every generation owes it to the ones that follow do everything in their power to leave the culture in a better place than they found it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 04:06 AM
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Continuously fucking someone, same as continuously simping, isn’t wrong if a committed relationship is what you want. No, it's not ok to fuck someone in hopes that they'll return you something in the future. That's not how any of this works. Fucking and simping are not at all equivalent opposites. You can simp without taking things that far. But you can't fuck in a way that doesn't result in huge problems later if you don't have a commitment.
/r/RedPillWomen06/01/23 04:03 AM
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No, they just shouldn't have sex with other people. It's not an overreaction to figure out and undercut your desire for extramarital sex rather than feed into it. People don't lose the desire for something once they get used to having it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 03:59 AM
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It's not 50/50, it's 25/25 with the middle 50% just getting screwed. Putting someone in the friend zone can be cruel and shitty but, the fuck zone can result in children and STIs. ...this equivalency is not at all accurate. You can end up in the friend zone after doing everything 100% right, but you don't end up in the fuck zone without (continuously) fucking someone. The fuck zone is far easier to avoid than the friend zone. Just don't fuck anyone without being married.
/r/RedPillWomen06/01/23 03:45 AM
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it’s not fair to expect person to completely satisfy all your needs. It's perfectly fair to expect this. There are two ways to fulfill an emotional need, one is to engorge it directly, the other is to root out the source of the emotion and take care of it there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 03:27 AM
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Even if those numbers are accurate, things can change if you put the baseline at a different spot. For example, say we looked at a partner count of 5+ instead of 10+, it could easily be the case that 75% of women have had 5+ while only 60% of men have had 5+ and these numbers would still be consistent. And at the other end, it could be possible that 20% of women had 20+ while only 15% of men have had 20+ partners. It all depends on what number turns a person into a slut for the purposes of destr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 03:21 AM
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While I think that's true to a certain extent, that's only true if you don't have measures that you can take to improve your odds. Things like being in a fairly strict religious environment, pushing for cultural shifts, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 03:13 AM
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The real reason that there is discrepancy between the genders on this topic is that women get a baseline of men simping after them and they think that this is just how "normal male friends" act. So when the men finally ask and get rejected, they revert to a non-simping (aka "normal") friendship with said female. This female sees this as him now treating her badly, when in reality he's just not driven by hormones to worship the ground she walks on anymore. So she puts him in the "friend zone" whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 03:10 AM
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The divorce rate in the US is at an all time low, isn't it? Ummm... under what rock have you been living? The US divorce rate used to be far lower than today, back when more people got married. So the problems are coming from two directions. The number of children born into broken or nonexistant families is also at an all-time high (again at a time of low birthrates, meaning the problem is even worse than that number would indicate). Things are not on the uptick. I can't speak much for outside t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 02:56 AM
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That too, but it's deeper than that. Alpha widowing is a big problem, but women don't just get widowed by the alpha. They get widowed by the joy of the chase and the power that they held over thirsty men. For them to then settle into a healthy housewife role is a very tall order. And that's just a small part of the issue (eg, additionally there is the pair-bonding issue).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 02:49 AM
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Yes because protection is important. I'm just not getting why people were assuming that I meant some big bold handgun-wielding badassery. There's also protection from the types of people who see single women as cash jackpots and overcharge for simple repairs, protection from men who don't want a commitment but just want to use and drop her, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 08:16 PM
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I also don't see modern female-male relationships as an unmitigated disaster. What about it is disastrous for you? The divorce rate, for one. The number of children born outside of stable, two-parent households (or that experience family breakup) is extremely high and has lots and lots of negative consequences is another. All of the other stuff you said is mostly coping bullshit. "Alternate lifestyles" all only work on relatively short timescales, which IMO means that they don't ultimately work.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 08:07 PM
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How would it work today in a way that allows people to not have to just accept that this is the modern world of dating we live in? I know we like to make fun of sidewalk preachers who condemn degenerate behavior, but the fact of the matter is that if saying things over and over didn't work, the advertising industry wouldn't be worth billions and billions of dollars. Cultures have become less degenerate in the past, there's no reason it can't be done again. Look at 2020 and the lockdowns. A signi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:40 PM
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The promiscuous parts of both sexes do have the casual sex with each other and do not have negative consequences. Right, so the unmitigated disaster that is modern male-female relationships has nothing to do with this? I'm going to call bullshit on that. I've heard plenty of personal testimonies about the damage it causes and seen plenty of relationships destroyed firsthand over promiscuity. Clearly there isn't just a separate population having more fun than everyone else, who is normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:32 PM
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It doesn't matter, stop thinking about it. So you invalidate other people's strong feelings on things if it benefits you? Gotcha. I'll have to remember that next time a women gets emotional over something I don't think is emotional. Also promiscuity matters, I'm taking that as a given. It's part of the second "if" in my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:30 PM
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Also research bias. I still remember the headlines about how "most male suicides aren't connected to any mental condition" as if that wasn't an indictment on how bad mental health professionals are at their jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:27 PM
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If you’re referring to the men who can be promiscuous Yes. Simping is a separate problem with completely different characteristics (ie, simping is one-way) but your typical man isn’t effected by body count in the same way a typical woman might (not guaranteed) Literally the entire thesis of this post is that even if men aren't affected as much by their own promiscuity, it's still bad for them because their promiscuity negatively affected women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:25 PM
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I literally used that fact to point out just how bad promiscuity is for men. This is obviously addressed at men who are using this argument as an excuse for their promiscuity, not for men who aren't promiscuous. Although there certainly is something bad to be said for guys who try and fail to be promiscuous. Simping is its own topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:23 PM
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Appreciate the positivity, but it belongs under the automod.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:20 PM
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I'd say a happy marriage with a faithful, stable and loving wife is worth a lot, wouldn't you? Does anyone even know what that looks like in this day and age?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:20 PM
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You seem like a joyous person.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:19 PM
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Working outside the home, fixing things when they go wrong, masculine energy, etc. Pretty much an exact and opposite correlation to what men are supposed to appreciate in their women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:18 PM
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That's a strong argument against my position, but I do think it falls apart ultimately. But I didn't want to deconstruct all of feminism back to the suffragettes in this post. Basically everything is ultimately up to the men, women tend to follow their lead.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:17 PM
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Come up with a decent moral code, and make violating it more expensive than conformance. This is how strong communities work, especially religious ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:14 PM
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The best weapon is the one you never have to pick up. Honestly why is everyone fixated on the protection part? That was meant in addition to appreciating my efforts (everywhere, like handyman, income, etc). Also my income protection insurance is my church.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:12 PM
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Most people know and operate on this assumption Not sure I agree. I see plenty of defenses (especially from PUA types) that promiscuity is ok for men but not ok for women. My point is that they are inexorably linked, regardless of what you believe. ”enjoy the decline“ = I have no responsibility to anyone but meeeeeeeeee These guys can burn in Hell right next to the feminists. Actually I think the feminists are actually worse in a lot of ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:10 PM
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Right but that only works if there is a separate "population of sluts" from the "population of wives." There are two problems with this. First of all, there are just as many men as women, so if there is even as small as a 20% "population of sluts" that will still make it a lot harder for men to find their wife because there's only 4 wives for every 5 men. Second of all, men don't actually differentiate like this because men clearly target low body-count women even for "recreational purposes." An…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:07 PM
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So your answer to that is to sit around and die, and not try to restore?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:02 PM
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for a lot of men that's having a whole bunch of wild enthusiastic monkey sex with damn near drop dead gorgeous women. ...and then settling down into an unhappy marriage with a wife who can't pair-bond with him, getting divorced and ostracized by his own family and dying alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:01 PM
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You just eliminate the women who show the signs or red flags of having slept with a lot of men. You're forgetting that there are as many men out there as women. If there were a lot more women than men, then sure this would work. But there aren't, which means that all the women that guys are being promiscuous with will eventually add up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:33 AM
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I understand but I see this system as the lesser evil. I don't see how you can make that argument. Having a moral code focused on long-term ramifications vs having essentially zero moral code except to focus on short-term pleasures at the expense of long-term stability. Yeah it'll work for a while, but then the delayed consequences will come to fruition.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:30 AM
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Right, my argument is that every promiscuous guy is making it harder for himself and every other guy to find a non-promiscuous woman to have a happy, long relationship with (even if he's capable of having one) because he cannot be promiscuous without slut-making.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:08 AM
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So not having available non-promiscuous women isn't a downside in your opinion? Again, that "isolated population of promiscuous slut women apart from the main population of good women" is not how the current dating situation shakes out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:06 AM
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Promiscuous men don't care about other men being left holding the bag. My whole point is that most men who partake in this are going to be left holding their own bag. Even the red pillers, who at least have the decency to warn other men, still don't care enough to actually stop. While this is probably true, I hate seeing it defended like it's a logical position to take. It is 100% illogical and self-defeating. Some of these guys are perfectly fine with getting just sex. Usually guys want a good …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:04 AM
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My problem with your ilk, is that all your solutions revolve around other people changing for your comfort, usually via coercion. I've got two words for that: Fuck that. Lol I'll save my opinions on people like you for some other time. I understand that you get emotional about certain things, but that shouldn't be the driving factor behind your decision-making process. Giving a prescription of morals is no different than describing what happens when you jump out of a plane without a parachute. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:01 AM
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Still doesn't make any sense zero cents how a minority of men could turn a majority of women into sluts. I'm not sure how you don't understand this. If the top 10% of men have an average body count of 50, they can singlehandedly give half of women an average body count of 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:36 AM
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Like it or not, most people in the West are happy with the status quo as it now exists. Right, that's why we currently have a ridiculously high suicide rate and "mental illness" is seen as a trendy thing to adopt. Definitely not fertile ground for some kind of revolution. Most of us would rather take up arms than live under a tyrannical morality we did not agree with from the start. Trying to equate tyrannical morality with actual tyranny is such a slimy L-libertarian take. Your tyrannical moral…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:33 AM
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The only time that male promiscuity is bad is when males who are engaging in it aren't using condoms and they're sleeping with extremely unattractive women. That's also bad, though arguably if they would stay with the resultant kids it wouldn't be as bad. As far as what you're talking about there are way way more females than there are males This is untrue. I believe it's within a percentage point or two. female promiscuity is a choice So is male promiscuity. There's no guarantee at all if a guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:27 AM
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That's not what you were saying earlier. You were challenging the idea of using statistics at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:09 AM
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Men don't prefer youth "per se" but a lot of the things they do prefer have a high correlation with youth.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 02:08 AM
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I'm using statistics to back up one aspect of my point. You were taking statistics and deconstructing the idea of using statistics at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:04 AM
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While I think this is true in a "healthy" dating culture, it requires a number of prerequisites. There must be a culture of short dating periods within the community. Long-term dating relationships need to be seen with a negative light. You need to completely change your approach with such women. It's very different from asking out a single girl. Also it looks a lot more like just subtly indicating availability but then saying absolutely nothing explicit. This is where the short dating periods c…
/r/RPChristians04/01/23 02:03 AM
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So... you know that morals and ideas of right and wrong are a thing, right? What you are describing is the "Law of the Jungle," which any kind of moral system exists specifically because it sucks ass to live in such a society. So yes, I can agree that the Law of the Jungle exists, and works as you describe. I don't agree that any functional society should just sit back and accept it as-is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:50 AM
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When I said promiscuity, I meant previous promiscuity. I agree that unfaithfulness is bad, but I never talked about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:47 AM
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These statistics have underlying realities, which once understood, are easily remediable. So yes, I bring in statistics to back up my claim that being less promiscuous and lifetime monogamy is a good thing, but that doesn't mean that I necessarily must chase 100% statistics, or that I can close my eyes and hope that I'm on the good side of the 50-50 shot. These underlying realities also have negative impacts even if you are on the right side. It's not about maximizing statistics or gambling, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:46 AM
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Right, but I would say going RP MGTOW is worse than marrying a faithful woman. So the promiscuity is still "bad."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:38 AM
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My point is that the idea of being sexually reserved before marriage and lifetime monogamy after marriage carry material benefits especially in the very long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:35 AM
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Promiscuity among men doesn't affect their likelihood to cheat or divorce later.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:33 AM
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Promiscuity absolutely affects relationships negatively in the long-term. Especially if women are promiscuous. But again, please move the discussion to the automod because it's not relevant here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:32 AM
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Do you know the most effective way to defeat an enemy? It's a little method called "divide and conquer." Successful societies don't divide themselves against themselves to the detriment of the whole. Such a society will die in eventual insignificance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:28 AM
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This is objectively wrong. People die from random things if they aren't careful. If this were true, Africa would rule the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:26 AM
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I agree that if promiscuity bad for 1 then it's bad for the other. Then you agree with me and should post under the automod, not under the post. You're completely wrong about what you said though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:25 AM
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The point of my post is that promiscuity is universally bad even if it doesn't apply to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:23 AM
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Again, if you disagree with the fact that sex has significant long-term consequences, please comment under the automod because it is completely off-topic for this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:22 AM
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The underlying assumption in your statement is that there is one promiscuous man for each promiscuous woman. No, I did not make that assumption. In fact, if anything there are more "average promiscuous and above" women than "average promiscuous and above" men precisely because of hypergamy and men's preference for low body-count women. My point is that being faced with a huge population of emotionally damaged women as potential partners is just as bad if not worse than being that emotionally dam…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:20 AM
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Then you can put your comment under the auto-mod, since it has zero bearing on this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:16 AM
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I need to add an edit, I really really don't care about whether you agree or disagree with the fact that promiscuity causes relationship problems down the road, especially in women. I'm talking about the fact that even if it affects one gender more than the other, it makes it equally bad for both to engage in.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:14 AM
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This is off-topic from what I'm discussing. The divorce rates are higher when women have been more promiscuous. This doesn't mean that every such marriage will fail, just that it's more likely to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:11 AM
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My post isn't about this discussion. We're assuming that it is for the purposes of this discussion. And looking at the divorce rates, there's at least a correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:09 AM
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Nothing specific. It's just nice to be needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 12:54 AM
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Men have been fed "women like X are better" lines for a while, and it's quite obvious that many of those lines are meant to be self-serving by the speaker. It's just a statement of an obvious fact. Also it's important for men to not lie to themselves, so if a guy tries to deny that he has a strong preference for younger women, it can send him into a complex than if he just accepts it and then deals with his preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 12:20 AM
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I want someone I can protect and who will appreciate my efforts rather than challenge them. That's really all I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 12:11 AM
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Hello, I'm a guy but not a friend of yours (at least that I know of). This is not always true, especially among guys who are actually looking for something serious and are more deliberate by nature. This is not a red flag by any stretch of the imagination. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
/r/RedPillWomen31/12/22 02:01 AM
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Logic doesn't motivate anyone. Ultimately logic can only take you from goal to implementation, it can't give you goals. If you're looking at things through the (false) dichotomy of emotion vs logic, you're going to eventually find out everyone is motivated by something illogical and thus "emotional." People mean something different when they say more logical. They usually mean ability to continue on towards a goal even when emotions get in the way of that goal, not that their entire motivation i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 11:10 PM
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men go through many more hormonal swings each day than women who have a month long scale. Yes, and men are forced to control their emotions more because of this. That's my entire point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 10:58 PM
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I'm not doing any of those things. The constant drive for sex still relaxed around 30, and I'm guessing I'm approximately typical.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 10:56 PM
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I didn't say you contradicted yourself. I said that you defined assuming that men who are horny only respond after sex as misandristic, then you went on to say that these men are so horny that they become mindlessly obsessed with pussy. So I called you a self-admitted misandrist if you want to take it that far.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:41 PM
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I don't know if you've ever been taught this, but repeating yourself doesn't help clear anything up when the content of what you're saying is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:31 PM
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I mean, some people do see emotions as a negative (like you, apparently). I think that's a dumb stance to take. And yes, guys do get emotional and let those emotions override their logic. I didn't say that guys didn't. I just said that women do it more. But logic isn't the end-all be-all of a good life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:29 PM
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It's called rebutting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:16 PM
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That's irrelevant to my point. Guys are more logical and that's just a thing. You don't need to take it personal, or try to explain how being logical is somehow not logical. I don't really care about Tate or Sneako, although you sure seem to. It's like you're outsourcing your personality to people that you hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:16 PM
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for even a couple likes on a photo on Instagram That's your measure for how much men like a woman? Actually I have a hypothetical. Let's say that you are right, and men don't like women anymore no matter how much these women do to appear appealing to men. Which is the more likely reason, is it A) men need women to do even more body modifications in order to be attracted to them, or is it B) men are attracted to something completely different that these women are neglecting (like, you know, being…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:02 PM
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I've been looking for something more trad focused as well. Is there an RP subreddit for that kind of thing?
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/22 06:54 PM
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I get the whole "women like experienced men, men like pure women, so let's just smile, do our part and be happy" trope, but it doesn't work out practically. Men can only get experience by revoking the purity of other women. Sure this works for a while, but sooner or later even the pure men start to run out of pure women to settle down with. It's an unstable cultural expectation. We have better cultural expectations (universally expected purity before marriage, commitment, lifetime monogamy - aka…
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/22 06:42 PM
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I don't think this actually fully answers the question OP is asking. First of all, there's a lot of overlap between women adopting "I hate men" style talking points that still end up in relationships. Also seeking the approval of this crowd happens even among women who are otherwise fairly traditional.
/r/MensRights29/12/22 05:47 PM
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Also this really debunks the whole “men are logical” myth by claiming that they are controlled by feelings of horniness, and they cannot control if it dictates their actions. I'm not sure you understand what "logical" means. "Logical" doesn't define wants one way or another, just the means for getting to those ends. I think you seem to have associated "logical" to mean "better" or some such thing, which is untrue. Logic doesn't have an inherent morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 05:44 PM
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Your priorities is not other peoples problems. Ok, maybe. Women’s bodies are not trophies headed out to men for good behavior. I thought people's priorities aren't other people's problems. If so, how is men prioritizing getting sex a woman's problem? It’s not women’s problem that these men only want pussy and are so obsessed with it, they become mindless over it. Didn't you just define this line of reasoning as misandristic above?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 05:42 PM
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I think evolutionary psychology is stupid and cringey in terms of the narrative it builds up, but it's enough in parallel with reality that it is (somewhat) accurate for a lot of things. Most guys don’t cheat but they’re still miserable fucking the same girl for prolonged periods of time. They still look at other girls and imagine fucking them. None of this is controllable. This is complete bullshit. We are affected to an immense degree by our cultural surroundings. These types of feelings are i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 05:32 PM
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No. Dating only costs money if there is an expectation that it costs money.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 01:33 AM
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I have an alternate theory about the whole male sexlessness thing. I think it has much more to do with women being less desirable to men than vice versa. Women are performing the same/more as they have ever been. Putting on makeup, dressing sexy, etc. Men are performing less than they have in the past. Less approaching, less effort, etc. All of this points to men being the ones turned off at women, not the other way around as everyone seems to assume here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 11:46 PM
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Point 5: Men being fuckboys necessarily shrinks the pool of desirable women remaining. Therefore this only benefits the top 10-20% of fuckboys before you end up with a huge population of women that they used. Therefore you're wrong about it being beneficial for men. It's beneficial for a small minority of men, and screws the rest of us over.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 10:00 PM
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Too much socializing. Social media, social justice, social consciousness, socialism, etc. The US has long had an undercurrent of extremely toxic feminism just under the surface. Then social media came along and exposed all of the toxicity. This has had a two-pronged effect, in that it has driven toxicity levels up to exorbitant levels, as well as exposed it for the rest of us to see and be very disgusted by it. You can see this in the utter collapse of support for feminism even among liberal men…
/r/MensRights10/12/22 09:57 PM
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I think you're conflating "hard things" with a lack of direction and purpose. Most men here (my age at least) complain mostly about having been taught inaccurate things about love and relationships. It's very possible to put yourself through hardships that carry zero benefit at the other end of the tunnel. If you could tell these men exactly what to do and it was guaranteed (or even just likely, especially if they persisted) to result in a stable and fulfilling relationship, these men would go t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:46 PM
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I think this is pretty much the same thing as beta orbiting or a bad case of the "friend zone."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:40 PM
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I think the problem is much much deeper than you present. There is a streak here that any kind of relationship that makes the wrong people happy must be a bad thing, and this conflicting advice is just a manifestation of the true desire of these people that people they don't like should be miserable. It's possible to lose both ways, and that's what these people are trying to set you up for.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:31 PM
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People change a lot through their 20s, which is exactly why that relationship didn't work and why I think it's a bad idea in general to marry that young. People don't change in isolation. If you go into a marriage expecting that the other person won't ever change, you're going to divorce anyone that you marry at any point in your life. And if you do find someone who never changes, the chances that they have everything exactly how you want it is simply nonexistent. The problem is with misplaced e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:28 PM
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Your argument is that too many people are doing something, therefore it's not an indication of mental health issues and instead must be a permanent and unfixable social phenomenon? You know which side of the slavery debate that puts you at any point prior to 1800, don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 09:26 PM
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who get married even though they could imagine a better match. The problem here is with the imagine part, not the marriage part. If you are imagining a better match than your spouse, that is a you problem, and you should seek counseling.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 06:37 PM
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I completely disagree. Unmarried people have a harder time of things than married people. It's literally as simple as having two together is better than two apart. All this other garbage about marrying too young, etc has everything to do with people not maturing faster and indulging in hedonism, and nothing to do with anything fundamental about the ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 06:36 PM
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No, the implications of my statement is that we would have far less single people above the age of 25, thereby making this entire situation completely moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 10:47 PM
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While I think people are mostly right about the whole "sex is like food, it's only a big deal if you're not getting any" idea, I think there are in fact, outs. But you have to basically remove yourself from our sex-saturated and hedonistic culture in order to approach them and stay the course. There are many other things that can satisfy the desire that we so often associate the desire for sex. Things that bring purpose, like duty or belonging or solving difficult problems, can be very powerful …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 10:03 PM
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I’m going to be in my 40s by the time she’s 30 and ready to enter the adult phase of her life. Can we just pause for a little bit and take a second to fully appreciate the full implications and context that is needed for this statement to be made so matter-of-factually? This is the problem. If everyone would grow the eff up sooner, you wouldn't need to spend 16 years of your life effing around.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 08:57 PM
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Actually talk to them and don't base your relationship on feelings of attraction and how good the sex is. Or just take the Red Pill yourself. There's plenty in it for women, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:16 AM
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Yeah this is not how it works. Sex is simply one component of a relationship that follows how everything else is going. If people like each other and commit, they engage in fun activities that often result in children, something that commitment is needed to handle. Plus stable relationships have long-term advantages that are better than "good sex."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 01:17 AM
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I think men are more complicated, we just are pushed to handle it ourselves rather than outsource it onto the people around us.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 12:19 AM
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This is complete bullshit. If a system is rigged against you, or pathological in nature, you don't keep feeding into it because its ever-diminishing rewards still exist even as the downsides for everyone get larger and larger. This reads like a rationalization of drug addiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 12:08 AM
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It also comes from a bunch of people engaged in highly destructive practices.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 12:06 AM
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No, it's not. If you chase that, you're just ruining the long game for yourself and others.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 12:05 AM
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And you are missing out on the great parts of dating if you are so afraid of the bad parts of dating. I think the people who are giving up on modern dating are well aware of the supposed positives. They're making a cost/benefit analysis, and modern dating comes up short.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 12:05 AM
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Most people who are anti-abortion are also anti-men sleeping around. As far as I care, more power to you. I think it helps dispose of the myth that pregnancy is solely the woman's problem, which is what unfettered abortion advocacy results in.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 11:57 PM
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Feminism didn't ruin your relationship. Your lack of boundaries early on ruined your relationship. Stop apologizing.
/r/MensRights29/11/22 11:32 PM
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It's not a factor I consider from the outset. I care if she's kind, feminine, agreeable, etc. I could go either way on her being opinionated, I would prefer someone who is hardworking, and the career really depends. As far as not taking shit, that's a really really fine line. But if she is also kind, feminine and agreeable, I could see it working. However, most women who are described as "strong women" have serious red flags in practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:30 PM
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I'd imagine this study to be very subject to confounding variables. The doctors conducting the study seemed quite keen on lowering taboos.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:50 PM
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Please meet the guys in person before making these kinds of generalizations. I know it feels less "safe," but guys are able to redirect those energies towards things besides phone sex when they are in physical presence. Also a note on "porn sickness," it's not just porn. Social media has the same effect on men. What it is in reality is the effect of feminine manipulation of masculine energies with no payoff beyond sexual release for the men. Women with beta orbiters are in exactly the same class…
/r/RedPillWomen29/11/22 09:33 PM
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32 m. I'm religious and missed the boat on early marriage. I blame the "Purity Culture" backlash to the looseness of the 90s in religious communities for my situation. However, I'm not interested in blaming religion or anything, just the stupid idea that the correct way to deal with a problem in the culture at large was to hyper-focus on the same thing, just in the other direction. I think there's a happy medium somewhere between "go out and have fun" and "wait wait WAIT WAAAAAIIIIITTTT!!" I've …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 11:33 PM
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Have things changed in the past 10 years? I don't remember CS being that bad. It was just a bunch of nerds and a few nerdy jocks. The girls didn't seem pressed or anything, at least in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 11:19 PM
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I don't know what you're referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 11:17 PM
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That's interesting. I think what's going on with the "used up" stuff is that it's more of a weighted factor than an absolute. If you have other things going for you, then that can definitely outweigh the downsides if you aren't just a hedonistic hoe. The point is that if a man had to choose between two women who were exactly the same other than their body count, they would choose the one with the lower body count. A low body count doesn't outweigh having a horrible personality. The other thing i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 11:16 PM
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First of all, she'd have to marry that "any other Adam" which kind of makes my point. Secondly, isn't the problem with "Slightly Better Simon" that he doesn't want to commit to her? All of the advantages that I listed are specific to commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 09:39 PM
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Sex with a companion. A constant voice of male reason. Someone with a vested long-term interest in her success. Undivided attention. Just to name a few. I'm sure there's more. Marriage is a fantastic setup if you go the traditional route.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 09:16 PM
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This trend is as old as feminism. Men with power often made mens-only clubs. Rather than focus on having something of value so that other people wanted to join their female-only clubs, feminists decided it would be easier to force their way into these male-only places. And men were decent enough to keep out of women's spaces right up until the trans movement.
/r/MensRights17/11/22 09:10 PM
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Poor mental health among men. Canadian government: "Have you thought about killing yourself, mate?"
/r/MensRights17/11/22 05:48 AM
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This is bad advice. If you have trauma, do not look for people who have also had trauma. That sounds like it will work out, but it does not.
/r/RedPillWomen16/11/22 10:36 PM
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What do you mean by "win?" This isn't a game... there are no endgame conditions, unless you lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:17 PM
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Industrial society leeches off of high birthrate patriarchal areas in order to sustain itself. Where that supply of fresh blood disappears, you see collapse. Eg, Japan, increasingly Europe, Russia, China, etc. But yeah... I see how you view the world. Keep marching towards your declining birthrates and inevitable collapse of society. Maybe you'll even throw in a Socialist utopia here or there to speed up the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 06:44 PM
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Is that why the Amish are the single fastest growing subgroup inside this wave of feminist "industrial capitalism?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 06:30 PM
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Iran and Saudi Arabia are the current targets of massive amounts of feminist messaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:19 PM
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Saying that men are here because they are incapable of pulling women is the equivalent of a small dick joke. Also it's inaccurate. Many of the guys are here because they want a real relationship (I'm sure OP is not in that minority though).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 02:27 AM
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If what was true? Dude can you really be that dense? You made an affirmative claim in your post. So I'm saying, if your claim were true, etc. Now it does not work at all, hence the current fertility crisis. A specific form of it doesn't work at all. Enforced monogamy is still highly successful among various minority populations, especially those that hold to more traditional values. If you want to find the problem causing the fertility crisis, it's not technology. It's the rise of Feminism (the …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 02:25 AM
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She is still regularly sleeping with her ex who sexually, physically, and verbally assaulted her Yeah... she was lying about her ex to get sympathy effort from you after a breakup. I would suggest that men in general shouldn't hang out with women who are willing to use men for emotional labor, in exactly the same way I would suggest that women not hang around men who are willing to use them for sex.
/r/MensRights15/11/22 01:10 AM
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If you're going to use a weird acronym, please write it out somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 01:03 AM
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I don't understand the idea that since you are sexually attracted to someone therefore that gives you some kind of identity like gay, straight, poly, etc. The reasons for monogamy are much more complex, and sexual attracting is just one component of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:49 AM
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Oh look! A small dick joke in disguise! Such a rarity here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:47 AM
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If this were true, we would have a birth imbalance (more females born than males). But instead it's almost exactly 50-50, which means that polygamous societies are always ultimately going to screw men. Enforced monogamy became the dominant norm because it works better than other alternatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:46 AM
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This is a fair point, but you didn't take it far enough. We sympathize with and celebrate women's insecurities, while demonizing and ridiculing men's insecurities. Male insecurity is demonized by people who are patriarchal and believe that men doing a poor job matters more than women doing a poor job. And in a sense they are right. This whole mess is men's fault. So therefore women need to get out of the way because only men can solve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 10:47 PM
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I think that this makes little difference to the point people are making when they say that their mothers lied to them. The point that they're making is that the information from their mothers cannot be trusted. Whether or not these women believe it themselves is of little consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:31 PM
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I mean, men are also treated like crap, we just learn how to cope with it better. You know, avoid being anywhere near kids, look as weak and unthreatening as possible, keep your head down, yada yada. But it's possible you were getting a bit of the counterbalancing attention to make up for the positive attention that the pretty girls were getting. It's important to fight the urge of resentment, though. Resentment against a Creator is just a proxy for resentment against all of humanity. Don't get …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:27 PM
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I enjoy sexuality very much but it hurts to realise that if my looks were poor, men would ignore me again like they did when I was ugly. You realize that getting ignored is the average experience for the average male, correct? If you want to feel like a man, don't lean into your sexuality. I've seen anecdotes and maybe even a study or two that backs up the idea that this "lack of seriousness" that you speak of is directly tied to the sexuality in your presentation (ie, people take women more ser…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:16 PM
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Once again, guys wanting to sleep with someone isn't the same as a guy wanting to marry someone. One is literally replaced with a porn session.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:12 PM
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Instead of railing against this, I think it’s worth embracing. We don’t know if this isn’t just the next step in our evolution. So we're evolving, just backwards into greater pain. Nice!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:06 PM
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As someone who has a high preference for someone with similar sexual experience to me (which is zero), this is completely off-the wall for a guy to be saying. I'm assuming that he sleeps with you. That means that he has given up all pretense of wanting someone who isn't "used up" as he says, because he's actively partaking in the "using." He has zero grounds for having this kind of standard. My guess is that there is more to this than meets the eye. He's probably holding back some resentment or …
/r/RedPillWomen10/11/22 07:04 PM
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The sun doesn't have a multibillion dollar industry behind it with a vested interest to make sure that its product isn't perceived as dangerous to use. Though yes, I'm sure there are other factors at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 03:11 AM
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Also if you really cared about skin damage on your face, you'd wear sunscreen everyday. The sun damages your skin much worse than makeup. That's totally not true. I live in an Amish community where the girls (mostly) don't wear makeup at all. They routinely get mistaken for 10-15 years younger than they are as they get older. If what you claim here is true, it would be the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 02:00 AM
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You're forgetting the other end of the equation. What's in it for men to look that marginal amount better? Women apparently get so much out of makeup that they can trade in hours of their day for whatever it is that they gain when wearing it (and years of early aging caused by skin damage). My guess is that the juice isn't worth the squeeze. The point still stands that it's not rational for guys to wear makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:30 AM
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I don't think it's actually true that men want relationships more than women. A lot of men want an easy girl for a quick lay, but bulk at the idea of a relationship when push comes to shove. So a lot of this supposed desire for relationships from men is just men trying to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:24 AM
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I completely agree. I've had my tag for years here now.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:37 PM
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Yes, it's possible to infer things incorrectly. I'm not sure that that's the point you were trying to make though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:57 PM
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I never want to be someone who tells someone what to do with their own body I don't understand this sentiment. Did you not like him? I have poor relationships with some people, and I never tell them about the things they do wrong mostly because I just don't like them. If I like someone, I'll tell them. It's like public society beat values into our heads that are directly self-defeating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:55 PM
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Reality is often contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:53 PM
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It seems like men tend to believe what they are told moreso than women. That doesn't mean that women's feelings are more accurate, just that they have a leg up against certain types of lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:52 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean. The point is that the perception is there, not that anyone is actually worth more or less. Guys can have experience with women that doesn't include sleeping with them that can inform their decisions. They also can look at what women are demanding that they do and decide that it's not worth it. There's not "How do you know that?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:33 PM
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You definitely contradicted yourself. Solid strategy. Remove nuance, find contradiction. I wish I had thought about it before! Sex workers in legal brothels are meticulous about safety. Yes, brothels are known for their extreme cleanliness and safety-consciousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:23 PM
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I actually made a post about this here a while back. My operating theory is that *ncels are that way not because they lack self-respect, but because women are not worth the effort anymore. Even if true, this isn't the slam dunk you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 03:48 PM
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Yes. That's the point. High self-esteem is toxic af. It's also not the same thing as self-confident acceptance. not all Chads are red-pill Pretty sure one of the tenants of RP is that Chads don't have to be Red-Pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 03:33 PM
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Men. And the dating apps that let you change your location.
/r/MensRights01/11/22 03:36 AM
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You clearly don't understand the point RP was making. Don't confuse 30 with the wall. 30 is when women who want families first get inklings that they're not as hot as they used to be, and so they generally start looking past "hot" men to settle down, rather than playing games with guys who are way above their league or just unwilling to settle down. The "Wall" doesn't come until later, like 40. But it's preceded by years of diminishing returns. There is no "it's 2022." We are not going to progre…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 05:28 PM
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You just contradicted yourself. Nothing about sex work is particularly destructive. That's not a contradiction. I disagreed with you. Learn the difference. Funny you bring up motorcycle jumps when those guys are all about safety. Maybe if we would approach sex with the same level of preparation...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 09:35 PM
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We regularly incarcerate people for engaging in self-destructive behavior, like illegal drugs. It's exactly the same as between them and their dealer, a consensual exchange that we imprison people for. There's nothing special about sex work. We just ban it because it's destructive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 10:56 PM
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Nothing really "changed" because I got the Red Pill, I merely grew up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 08:08 PM
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Yeah... the modern tech "regression to the mean" really drives me up the wall. It's like every product manager is just following whatever the other one is doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 06:29 PM
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hunting photos. I know plenty of women who like the hunting guys. They're just not the type to go on dating apps. Anyways, I'm talking about having a different experience for men and women in general. Those were just examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 06:20 PM
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So those were just examples. The core thing I was interested in discussing is if it would work better with a totally different matching mechanism for men vs women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 06:18 PM
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Oh I know all about those people. I am one of them. But that's not what your OP was about, and I actually agree with your OP that this whole "sex trafficking" thing is way overblown and includes voluntary sex workers. That's a separate issue. I just don't think there's any evidence to support the idea that legalizing something necessarily makes the illegal form of that thing less common, which is what you are assuming as an axiom. I don't think that it works that way with a lot of things, especi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 06:16 PM
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Well they have to deliver or else people will eventually quit using them for those purposes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 06:07 PM
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Right, I would say all of those exceptions are culturally enforced, and do include some kind of boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 06:06 PM
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It's no more a trick than trying to downplay a percentage reversal by saying "it's like 1 out of 5 people changing sides." And yes, it makes the difference between minority and majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 12:49 AM
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Well, one of the other ideas I got here was to decouple the picture swiping from the decision to match. So basically guys would rate/swipe pics on one part of the app, then actually "match" with a profile that included stats on their picture, like "X% rating among guys with Y% similar taste in women as you." So rather than trying to raise women match rates, instead try to lower men's match rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 12:42 AM
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Obviously you wouldn't be reading resumes, that was just an example to contrast with how it works currently. I'm more interested with the idea that men and women's experience can be asymmetric. Do you think that would improve things, rather than setting up a mirrored experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 12:09 AM
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One of the things that I've thought about is decoupling the picture swiping from the actual "match" decision. Turn it into a two-stage process where (guys) swipe on pictures but then actually make the match decision from a screen that presents their profile, interests, and some stats on how well their pictures did (some way of statistically scrambling it, like X% of men within X% of similar taste in pictures as you liked her). There are a lot of options for mixing things up. I'm not sure what wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 12:07 AM
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What you described is otherwise known as a 50% increase.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 11:40 PM
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Yes, if the app is only presenting the picture extremely prominently and making that the easiest way to move, that's going to be the result. My point is that women generally don't look for the same things that men do, so why should the app experiences be mirrored the way that they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 11:39 PM
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Yeah nothing really compares to the photofeed scroll. It's an uphill battle. I think that they should at the very least target similar positive engagements for men as women. As in adjust the experience until there is a similar "match" (for whatever that means) rate between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 11:36 PM
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Second marriage First of all, that's already a failed marriage. You're already admittedly in a tiny minority of second marriages if you make this one last. The success rate for second marriages is far below 50%, taking you far away from the "most" category. Secondly, my point was more about making the lows lower, and more difficult to get through. While it's true that the average majority of people are going to give it up, I'm not saying anywhere that it's impossible. It's like driving to get fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 11:10 PM
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No it's not significant. Trafficking also isn't happening at 99.9% of the legal gas stations, hotels, what name you. Does that matter at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:59 PM
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I do my best :+1:
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:58 PM
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This is how it would seem, given a 10-year timespan. Sure, most of them haven't had an issue (yet). I think what's actually going on is that you set yourself up to spiral really really down far if you ever have a bad season, and these people that you see "settling down" just haven't had things get bad enough so far to have to deal with it. Lasting relationships are "for better or worse." So yes, it's true that while the times are better, promiscuous people won't reap their sown wild oats. But I …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:36 PM
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The fundamental problem with this proposition is that there is tremendous overlap (acknowledged or otherwise) between what makes people like each other as friends and what makes people like each other as romantic interests. The only way that it can really work is if there are very powerful culturally enforced mutual boundaries. And even then, those boundaries will usually directly diminish how deep such a friendship can go.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:30 PM
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Women are most safe when they have a lifelong male partner who is culturally pressured to put his life between her and danger. As such, MGTOW directly harms this more than feminism does (which only does so indirectly by making women unmarriageable). As such, your thesis is still wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:24 PM
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Huh, even without the male gaze, it's still just as intellectually bankrupt and mostly just about power games. Weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:22 PM
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The vast majority of "trafficking" arrests and statistics are generated by voluntary participants either having a fallout or some kind of legal dispute that the authorities can tag with the "trafficking" label if there is anything sexually related involved. Anti-trafficking laws should be renamed honestly for what they are: the sex work equivalent to anti-drug laws. They're meant to protect those who want to partake in it. With the subversive way it is currently presented, it's just in service o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:20 PM
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That does not mean that it happens less in places like Reno, which is the metric that actually matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:15 PM
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The same could be said of most female asks of men. It's a mirror of what they themselves are subjected to on a regular basis. Incalculable BS, all of it. Welcome to the Feminist reaction. It's not just here on this sub, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 10:09 PM
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I think it's true of all people, not just men. The difference is in the fact that men can find something somewhat attractive in a large majority of women, but women only find a small minority of men all that attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 01:42 AM
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This answer isn't from the requested group of people, and should be under the automod comment. Mods?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 01:40 AM
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It's shorthand for not wanting a hoe. I can tell who the hoes are. Body count is just giving it a number.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 01:39 AM
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However, if we didn't have a significant population of lonely men, we wouldn't see so many pop out of the woodwork. That's... that's the whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 04:29 PM
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Honestly, I think it's a trauma response of the guys saying those things. In men, those sexual traumas at a young age often make them overly fixated on sex. This fixation directly corresponds to thinking that such instances are a good thing. Btw, I think guys get such trauma from a lot more than just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 03:28 PM
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I have a thought experiment involving dick pics. Imagine that you are in a small community of 10 people in your marriage range, 5 women and 5 men. And you send a dick pic out to all of the women. How do you think that's going to go for you? Now imagine that your dating pool expands to... say 100,000. Now you can send dick pics to 1,000 women, and the odds are fairly decent if not too many guys are also sending dick pics that you'll come across the one in 1,000 women who responds positively to sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:54 PM
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That's not what I asked. Does what people are attracted to ever change for any reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:33 PM
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I didn't initially turn her down, but it definitely was a factor that made me feel disgust and contributed to me losing interest in her as a potential Long-Term partner. She didn't process it well though. I think I could've got past it if she wasn't trying to demonize the guy in a way that made it appear like she was skirting responsibility for her own actions. Like I want to know how you changed from that, not hear excuses. For context, we were both religious, and I was (and still am) saving it…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 12:05 AM
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Wait, so you believe that physical attraction cannot be cultivated and is something you might as well have been born with?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 11:42 PM
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does not necessarily mean they’re more likely to be happy though, they just have a lot of different social pressure to not divorce I'm pretty sure I remember studies that actually show that religious married people are happier in their marriages as well. "Marital satisfaction" ratings were higher.
/r/RedPillWomen18/10/22 08:01 PM
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I said fuck. As in, at all. And you do. Yes. So you understand that attraction is pivotal. This doesn't follow. Physical-based attraction is secondary, and can be cultivated.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 07:47 PM
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No I’ll freely admit that sex is important to a healthy husband/wife relationship. It’s extremely important to share intimacy, the hormones, etc. I do think people overplay the importance of performance, but that’s an aside. Me saying I didn’t want to “fuck around” or fuck (multiple) people was in reference to fucking in isolation from anything else. I care more about the meaning surrounding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 07:17 PM
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I don't want to fuck anyone. I want a relationship with a decent person who will be a good mother and wife and I'm going to try to be a good father and husband. I also think anyone who just wants to fuck people gets in the way of both of those, and therefore I hate people who fuck around unapologetically.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 05:24 PM
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The Amish Pill is a complete rejection of and separation from modern values, and an explicit embracing of premodernist thought. This coupled with real sacrifice (rejection of many technological conveniences) and a commitment to the core principles, not just someone's ego (which would be a cult). Examine every "new" idea with skepticism and actually think about what you would be giving up. For example, cars were rejected by the Amish because they would cause people to live further apart, sacrific…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 05:03 PM
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I heard it here first. It's not okay to be unattractive! #Cancel ugly people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 04:37 PM
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Posting here because I'm still single. I keep telling people to adjust their perspectives about each other. The response I usually get is that, "If I'm not feeling it, I'm not feeling it!" I think that's dumb. Your feelings follow your thoughts and experiences, especially over the long term. Therefore, not all feelings are created equal. Some of them should be challenged and ignored, others should be listened to and built up. Also I'm resisting the choice of violence over OP's use of the term "b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 02:39 PM
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PUA is not all of Red Pill. PUA advice is a lot of useless driveling by sex-addicted men with all the foresight of females who claim to be "witches." The Red Pill is just the acknowledgement that the mainstream ideas are not accurate. The sexual revolution was a lie. We're living through the consequences of a bunch of boomer sexual experimentation, and it's not pretty. Take the Amish Pill. Just because the Amish women don't understand your particular forms of degeneracy doesn't make them stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 02:26 PM
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Aren't women a lot less likely to have such an illness while their partner is still alive than a man? My guess is that in terms of raw numbers, it's still more likely that the man falls ill and his wife leaves him than a woman falling ill and her husband leaving him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 02:08 PM
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Any woman who values height like this I can automatically assume is superficial and values the wrong things. I can expect a decent likelihood of her showing up on social media later with a black eye from her tall ex and probably a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 02:03 PM
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You obviously haven't been paying much attention. Men have gotten shamed for having preferences in women's mutable characteristics (like weight, hoeish behavior, etc). This was just a way of turning the tables on how that sounds. Of course people have preferences (duh) the point was shaming women the same way men have been shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 02:01 PM
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Competition is good, but only if taken honestly. If competition descends into war, everyone loses. A rising tide lifts all boats.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:52 PM
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I think the 80/20 thing comes from OLD hookup apps and the ratios there. Also I always took it more as the desirous hookups for women, as in the ones taking part in the hookup culture. There are sizeable populations that don't take part in hookup culture at all, and are having sex with their spouses (that's still 50%). The complaint was about the remainder.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 06:26 PM
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Men understand that marrying a virgin times are over. No, men who say this still want to sleep around and aren't willing to keep their end of the bargain. Guys who want virgins and stay so themselves are more honest and consistent with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 07:36 PM
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I absolutely agree with this, but I don't think you are taking it far enough. Male-bashing from men is a much larger problem than anything women do. The worst thing that men do to themselves and each other is become feminist allies. We throw men under the bus, often just trying to step on his sorry carcass to make ourselves look better (ie, feminist allies). We make jokes about meeting our daughters' boyfriends at the door with a shotgun or not allowing our precious daughters to date until they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 07:34 PM
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Men are biologically wired to trip over themselves protecting women and doing thing for women. Random women, not just their spouses. Men do not offer the same level of help towards men, nor do women towards random men. Also, if you live in the US, you have the privilege of not being legally obliged to be drafted into selective service should a war break out (which is completely beyond men's control, btw). Also more recently women are extremely privileged just by nature of everyone assuming that …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 03:42 PM
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I'm 32, male. Basically every year is better than the year before. I literally just had a female friend (we went out on a date, she wasn't into it much, I wasn't into her much when I saw her religious directions) tell me that she was describing me to one of her friends say that she wanted to meet me. I've got genuinely complimented once in the past 5 years and only because she was distantly related and too young to know better.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 04:06 PM
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That just means they didn't see you as worth pursuing. Either that or you're so used to the overly nice way that men treat women in general that you're blind to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 04:00 PM
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the absence of men isn't threatening, the presence of them is. You don't think a woman can hurt you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:57 PM
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These SAME men pursue sex with women who will grant them access casually and then demonise and feel "disgusted" by this same women. I don't think it's the same guys. Most guys aren't drowning in pussy. Yes, there's like a fraction of the top 10% of men who are players who also just want a virgin for an LTR (and they'll probably get it, too). But most of the guys complaining about women having lots of bodies are either inc*ls, intentionally celibate / religious, or have very low body counts. If t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:55 PM
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This seems to be a case of not being able to see the forest for all the trees. While it's true that more and more men are shouting louder against this kind of thing, the idea that men aren't continuously beclowned by normal society is just wrong. What I do think is hilarious is how accurate your prognosis is for a much larger percentage of women who enjoy seeing men taken down. What you say is true, but it's literally so large on the women's side that they have it all categorized and it's just "…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:49 PM
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Women privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:46 PM
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Who do you think is actually best at nabbing kids? A big scary male, or a kindly looking female? I've heard stories of woman baby snatchers who just openly carry the baby away, sometimes with the father actively yelling at her to give his kid back (guess who the crowd sides with), and even after such a thing happens people often just let the woman walk.
/r/MensRights12/10/22 12:53 AM
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That's not even very many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 11:32 PM
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You exclude the religious, yet this whole post reads like a bad religious argument with even worse justifications. It's ok for guys to have standards. It's ok for guys to feel irrationally disgusted by something. They don't have to "get over it" any more than a woman needs to "get over herself" and go out with a short guy. These guys clearly value a good woman over getting their dick wet. Good for them! More power to them! Maybe if people would stop attacking them out of a sense of deep self-loa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 10:48 PM
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Again, that's not respect. That's not a wife. That's Hugh Heifner in the Playboy mansion, and neither of us have a mansion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:17 PM
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Absolutely not. As soon as that guy does anything that gives them the "ick," they're out. That's not respect. That's like saying men love slutty whores more than good women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:13 PM
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because thats how social media conditions younger men to think. I agree with everything here, except I think this phenomenon started long before social media. It started all the way back with the sexual revolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:09 PM
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I want respect. Getting drooled over isn't respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:07 PM
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Femininity is chaotic and mysterious , yes? More so than masculinity. And have some overlapping qualities I believe Not necessarily. They're just describing things from different perspectives that may not have anything to do with each other. It's possible to be both unfeminine and unmasculine at the same time. It's like the directions east vs north. You can go north without going east, and east without going north, or you can do neither, or you can go a mix of both. But if you try going both you…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:04 PM
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I don't think it has to be massive. You're right that there is a barrier, but it's not like the current arrangement isn't going to leave you sexless eventually. I think if we men would shame guys with high body counts, not for what it does to women, but what it does for the rest of us men, it would go a long way. Sure, the narcissistic women would go crazy for a few years because they're not getting attention anymore (similar to what the #MeToo movement did), but you wanted to avoid them anyways…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:00 PM
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So you're advocating orbiting and hard simping for individual women? If orbiting and hard simping for individual women worked, then yes I would be advocating for that. The problem is that these strategies don't work, so that wouldn't be a maximizing of the opportunity, now would it? I'm talking about much shallower things like telling her she looks beautiful and being super nice (when you barely know her), flirting with her when you know that she isn't girlfriend material, etc. Instead, be hones…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 03:54 PM
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I agree with the last part, though I think it's also that guys who don't care about casual sex are genuinely more attractive to relationship-minded women. Though yes standing out in that regard certainly helps. I disagree though about not being able to do anything. Yes, they have to decide for themselves. But no, that doesn't mean I can do nothing. Sure, I can't guarantee that any given guy will change for the better, but encouraging good behavior does have an impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 03:45 PM
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Actually, iterated prisoner’s dilemna still has the same unique [n]ash equilibrium of defecting every time being optimal. This is not true. An iterated prisoners' dilemma where you don't know the number of future iterations will result in the actors punishing defection enough in between iterations so as to make the defection not worth it or rewarding non-defections to make up for the difference. In an iterated prisoners' dilemma, you have to meet the guy you betrayed. This changes the game. Bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 03:43 PM
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Say a woman desires the best possible partner she can attract. Is that woman not entitled to ‘respond positively’? To that man? The problem is in identifying that partner. With everyone giving out half-assed attempts at hooking up, it makes the identification phase extremely hard for her. So she's going to put it off, and put it off. That's a real consequence, not just an automatic one from getting more attention and only being able to say yes to one. Which is a bad thing? Yes, any time there is…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 03:36 PM
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I don't tell anyone IRL about the number of girls I've had, as I don't want to cultivate the fuckboy image. So you're a fuckboy, you just want the benefits of not being a fuckboy. That's... definitely a way to get things that definitely will bite you in the ass later (in addition to leaving girls in your wake that the rest of us have to deal with, or deal with their complete unavailability). How many years have you been doing this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 03:31 PM
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Well, how can we get guys to be more like this? I think we should shame men who simp, shame men who are driven by pussy (successful or not), and teach men how to approach qualitatively and not just spread out emotional stuff all over her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 08:36 PM
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That’s kind of the whole reason I was using the term “sexual attention” to cover both casual sex and the constant beat of it. Simping is just trying to get sex and being unsuccessful
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 08:33 PM
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It’s not that hard. Just start shaming men you know for being simps or manwhores.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 08:31 PM
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I’m saying that men are at a baseline overstating their interest. Or that it’s more like an addict than a healthy use of it. Not that it doesn’t exist. And my point about the feedback loops is that fundamentally, it may not be by that much. But it’s just enough to turn off enough women that creates a shortage. this is a good argument for not accepting anything but dinner dates. So, if you’ll notice the whole of my post was analyzing what guys should do based on the long-term effects, not the imm…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 08:30 PM
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My original version of this was asking why guys who sleep with every woman who crosses their path aren’t viciously shamed by men that this behavior so obviously negatively affects. Like it seems to me that men would be far better off slut-shaming men who are like this. Especially the ones who are doing it badly, but even the ones who are succeeding. How long is a woman taken out emotionally by a few guys who sleep with her like it’s nothing? Like that directly makes things harder for you the ave…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:52 PM
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People aren’t islands. We need each other’s help and benefit from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:44 PM
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I don’t want to be drooled over. That sounds pretty lame and weird. I want a good wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:43 PM
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You run the risk of just getting traits that are the opposite of masculine. But masculinity and femininity are not actually exact polar opposites. Like I said, it’s hard to pin down. Femininity is more chaotic, but in a small way that manifests itself largely. Ever wonder why Adam named the animals, and not Eve?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:41 PM
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You didn’t take the repeated games into account. If you don’t know how many games are played in the future, then those people “messing it up” in the future are transient. Because between games you have the ability to punish them yourself to ensure that they have the right incentives. In this case, I’m simply saying that men should shame other men who give out their sexual attention too freely. Notice that this is different from a serious approach. Guys need to do more of those. But I’m talking a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:36 PM
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I got piled on a while back for saying that I didn’t think that men inherently had stronger libidos than women. Testosterone affects aggression and risk taking. I think it’s easy to see a certain libido level mixed with aggression and say it’s a higher libido level than the same libido level but without the aggression (maybe with another emotion). But yeah, the willingness of men to beclown themselves and allow themselves to be beclowned doesn’t help anyone, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:25 PM
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Like I hear all of these Red Pill guys talk, and they’re saying good stuff about you know, how pretty people aren’t angels, etc. But then they veer off right back into left field being all “men spread their seed” “men this is how you get endless pussy” “men just want their dick wet” like… NO WTF that’s what GOT us here!! Men want meaning and we should remind them of that and emphasize the meaning. The emphasis on sex has all of the markings of a crazy crack addict.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:18 PM
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I think it comes, as so much of modern relationship issues do, from the principles of the sexual revolution. Sex is sold in our society almost as a commodity. Advertisements push this idea that sexiness is valuable. I think those are effects of a culture that values sex and pushes men into a desperate frenzy to get it. Honestly I don’t really care what came first or second. Eve ate the fruit, Adam took it too. End of story. Now how can we fix it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:14 PM
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What masculine/feminine ideal do you think would be a good guide?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:10 PM
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I mean the logic that if a woman does not want to sleep with a man and that leads to a man questioning his worth - is at best a weird argument. I agree that it’s weird, but for many men it is reality. And I’m actually critical of it. My whole point is that we’re putting too much emphasis on it. And that deflated sense of sexual worth is man's own doing, not because someone said NO to them. I don’t know if you noticed, but my entire post was directed at men and what men should do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:08 PM
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Ok, fair enough. But even then, the guy should understate it and always keep feeling in reserve. The masculine form of this is to make a genuine sacrifice for her, and only when necessary. What guys often get caught up in is trying to express it explicitly all the time, either through words or grand gestures, when they should keep the full depths of it deep down. Yeah I’m not 100% on board with what you say about a guy knocking up a woman he doesn’t like that much and then the subsequent marriag…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:04 PM
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Do you actually find sleeping around that fulfilling? Or is it just something you do that’s more akin to an addict taking another hit? Also, if you are one of those guys who sleeps around with all kinds of women, what is the reaction that most men give to you upon learning this? Is it positive? I always found the positive reaction from men at people like you describe completely baffling. It seems to me like hateful resentment would be the better play, because every woman you sleep with is anothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 03:53 PM
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Voluntarily decreasing men’s collective opportunities to approach, only limits him. This is so obviously not true it’s really sad. Think about it from the women’s point of view for once. A woman who gets tons of sexual attention is not going to respond positively nearly as often as a woman who doesn’t get it nearly as much. That’s just percentages. But even more than that, women actively are repulsed by desperation. Your strategy reeks of desperation. Ok, I’ll grant you that there’s a difference…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 03:41 PM
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Actually I commented elsewhere about this. Yes it’s a prisoner’s dilemma, but a prisoner’s dilemma only results in the bad outcome for the prisoners if everyone is only playing for the single next outcome. But what happens if you account for playing the prisoner’s dilemma game multiple times? That actually changes your strategy completely. And therein lies the problem. Trying to get pussy now is sabotaging your ability to get a woman in the future. It’s a matter of short-sightedness, not an inev…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 03:36 PM
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I think that’s accurate. I didn’t get into that aspect very much though, just on the effects of it and how helpful it would be to tone it down. But there are lots of things wrapped up in the why, and I do think it’s mostly men ruining it for other men. But things like the male sex drive are so misunderstood. The fact that we call it a “sex” drive just screams “this must be fulfilled by sex” when in fact it’s usually a hugely complicated array of feelings and desires for meaning mixed in with it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 03:31 PM
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So anything that doesn’t have men doubling down on sexual attention at every happening is “female projection?” That’s an interesting conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 03:26 PM
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Femininity inherently doesn't lend itself well to being easily described or measured (those are both masculine traits, just to illustrate the problem here). You're trying to make a competition for two things when one of the two things is literally competition itself. Femininity is just different. It doesn't fit into nearly as many neat little boxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:47 AM
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You're just being difficult at this point. "Shockingly hot woman" is the same thing as a perfect 10. You can tell someone's score by how they look or by how others rate them, but it's just a simplification of what's actually going on. Higher numbers mean more people like how you look or want to get your attention. It's not that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:41 AM
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Look, you downvoted me for saying that I'm not trying to get laid, so I'm already not taking you that seriously. But now you're just going off on ridiculous bluepill rants about people not having fairly obvious scores and groups of hot guys getting most of the hookups. Also I don't know why you brought up perfect 10 women, as I was talking about men's ratings. And not everyone engages in "the game" like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:22 AM
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I’ve dated women who led with the topic. You should run from these.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:03 AM
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Yeah I can agree with this, but I don't think it's that common. Like guys get stuck in a sort of Prisoner's Dilemma and forget that this is a repeated game, so they play the game as if they're only trying to beat it once (which is why they betray their fellow men).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 04:00 AM
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Guys should build each other up more too. The funny thing is, if we do this, we'll probably get more women to do it as well (since confidence begets confidence-inspiring moments).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 03:59 AM
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Yeah except one person altering it won’t do shit (I mean except that one dude just took himself out of the game) Not actually that true. Especially if you're just under the cutoff point, like a 6 or a 7 on the scale and the women seem to only go after 8+'s, acting more aloof and choosy with your attention can net you better opportunities just by virtue of simping being such a repulsive negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 03:57 AM
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Both honestly. The sexual attention gets transmitted whether hookups are happening or not. The relationship side is more of a long-term issue that gets negatively affected by this kind of behavior, but actually it affects women worse than men because you have to be more honest with relationships, so women not only have to deal with reality, they also have to deal with the reality that they can get much higher on the male SMV scale than they can get on the male RMV scale. The only thing skewing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 03:55 AM
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i think you over-explained it. I tend to do that. This is after I deleted entire paragraphs. personally i don't hit on a woman until they flirt with me. i'll just talk to them when situationally appropriate with no unspoken intentions until they flirt. so i guess i can vouch for your theory. Sounds like a solid strategy. But also don't DM girls, don't double-message if you're just talking, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 03:43 AM
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I'm not trying to get laid here. Also grown-ass people can do what they want, including tell the truth about a situation that may alter other people's behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 03:32 AM
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I first heard this idea from my sister (who is now single at 43 with multiple cats). It's the language of autistic nerds.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 02:11 AM
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I agree with the Feminists. Everything is men's fault, everything is men's responsibility, because men are that awesome and women are incapable of solving men's problems in the same way that men are expected to solve women's problems. Men, you have the capacity for great good if you but choose to take the mantle. Don't be scared by the hissing of the Feminists. Embrace the blame, responsibility, and power they heap upon you as they lay their problems at your feet. Rejoice that only you have been…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 05:09 PM
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Speaking as a man who arrived to the age of 30 without ever experiencing sex, very much intimacy, and only a single 3-month romantic relationship (so a 30-year old virgin), let me tell you... As others have stated, the problem isn't sex. The problem is relational. It's easy to get the two confused thanks to social messaging, but around the age of 30 the edge comes off of the sex drive and things separate out a little bit more clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 11:33 PM
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No, because the problem isn't women being "too picky." The problem is the slow painful death of monogamy. Women could be as picky as they want, as long as the pool of men above my head keeps shrinking as they get monogamously paired off. With modern Peter Pan hookup culture, those guys "above" me never get off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 11:31 PM
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I take it you want a high sex relationship. Where do you get that from "relationship with sex?" When I say "relationship with sex" I mean a relationship with sex (ie, it exists).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 03:51 PM
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She told me that she's "unavailable to you," and on the other end she's going away from a traditional religion that I would like to stick to. Also, she's clearly not over her ex yet. It's mutual, but also not mutual.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 11:19 PM
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Ehh, there are women who don’t participate in hookup culture. Few (like 10%) but they do exist, and not always just because they are too ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 10:12 PM
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Long-term, committed, exclusive, and publicly declared.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 10:10 PM
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I don't want casual sex. I want a relationship with sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 04:05 AM
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I don't disagree with your conclusion in the current culture, I just think your evidence is sorely lacking. Pretty much 100% of what actually matters you left out of your anecdote. What is the girl? Is she a 10 herself? Is she obese? What about the guy? What factor does the current cultural thing of men approaching women first play? Are there exterior cultural factors such as differential loneliness coming into play?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 04:03 AM
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Marriage vows are all about the "bed" No they're not. Here is a typical set of marriage vows from the Catholic tradition: "I, __, take you, __, for my lawful wife/husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, until death do us part. I will love and honor you all the days of my life." These don't even mention the "bed" as a requirement directly (though some do in the form of "keep yourself only unto ____". Also they d…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 11:39 PM
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Yeah I mean, I might be able to bounce back emotionally myself, but the knowledge of what divorce does to society as a whole and to my family if there are kids involved, etc... just no.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 11:29 PM
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Oh I'm happy with a 10% success rate depending on what it is. I just know that getting divorced would be completely soul-destroying for me. But I would happily go on dates knowing that I only have a 5% chance of success with them (as long as failure just means I have to try again).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 04:06 PM
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We were speaking specifically of domestic violence. Women do it at higher rates than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 04:04 PM
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Conservative men won’t be scared off or think you’re too much when a women says she wants marriage. A feminine man will be scared off because he’s not motivated by hard work. This is such an understated point. People, don't be afraid to scare off people you don't want! Even the people you do scare off are going to remember you and come back if they change. I think there are a lot more Scandinavian men out there who want this kind of lifestyle but they are so afraid to admit it it’s sad. This is …
/r/RedPillWomen28/09/22 03:33 PM
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or hitting her. Women are more violent than men in relationships. This is not a good bet. Also even a 10% chance of getting divorce-r'd is too high. Would you get on a Chinese traincar if you knew you had a 10% chance of getting rworded?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 03:25 PM
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but regardless what one thinks, isn’t abuse and infidelity a valid reason for divorce? With regards to the infidelity argument, I personally believe that the marriage vows transcend the "bed" as it were. Don't cheat. If you cheat, stop cheating and fix the damage you've done. And with the abuse thing, I think it's more a question of the exact nature of the abuse. If it's criminal, then process it that way. If it's not criminal levels of abuse, then I'd see it as equivalent to infidelity. Any vio…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 03:22 PM
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The medieval times had their points about reality. They actually seemed to understand that men and women are different, and didn’t believe in such modern things as gender reassignment (despite it apparently undermining the Feminist message). Also I’ve never heard a Feminist give a coherent answer to why they don’t fight for equality with the military draft forcing only men to the front lines (see Ukraine and more recently, Russia) when it is so important elsewhere like in CEO jobs. Just buzz off…
/r/MensRights28/09/22 01:47 AM
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It’s the same reason men (used to) open doors for women and go to war to protect women and let women and children on the lifeboats first. I’m sure most of the men there see it as a form of chivalry, as do a significant portion of the women. Not every woman is going to believe the feminist garbage that you got from your gender studies professor. You guys can’t even come to terms with the fact that half of people against abortion are in fact women.
/r/MensRights28/09/22 01:38 AM
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I would’ve never imagined myself having to argue with someone who believes women shouldn’t get to vote, in 2022. Feminism mad overstepped, and the chickens are coming home to roost.
/r/MensRights28/09/22 01:34 AM
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Yeah… that’s not true at all. People can have all sorts of kinks that are very dependent on mental state or experience and nothing to do with any universal experience of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:33 AM
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No. I have cousins who are "successful" with women like this. Now that they are in their 40s, their life is just sad, they're into gay bar shit, etc. Also my female cousins who were traditionally "hot" are constantly in all kinds of relationship drama with multiple guys and it's just sad when you're acting like you're in your 20s when you're actually 40, even if you still look 25. Give me an LTR with a plain wife who is easy on the eyes (not obese, not hideous, etc) and is sensible (somewhat eas…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 12:18 AM
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there is no systematic oppression directly targeted towards men/boys. This is the whole point. There is no systematic oppression directly targeted towards women/girls, and yet we still hear about all of the "implicit" stuff going on. Like how the Army requirements favor men because they measure things that men are good at. Your defense of the school situation is that, only in reverse (although I think your defense is inaccurate).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:59 PM
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The anger is probably based off of the fact that every n in a guy's n-count is another n in some other women's n-count. The same isn't true of height, money, and most other preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:55 PM
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I didn't argue, I postulated. That's actually allowed. Here's the Atlantic article I was basing that claim off of: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/05/why-are-women-better-off-but-less-happy/18293/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:47 PM
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Androgen levels aren't an absolute measure of horniness. Again, all of the measurements in a western culture would be baselined by western influences.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:42 PM
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although i agree i'd be happier if cocaine was cheaper and easier to buy. I think that the very metrics most likely to be affected by drugs and other superficial things are the only exceptions. Things like life satisfaction and stability, etc are lower now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:42 PM
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In addition, there's no historical critical evidence either, nothing but stories. Isn't that kind of all we have to go by here? I think a more interesting question has to do with the role of polygamous tendencies have on this, since men tend to be more polygamous than women. Maybe we're conflating the issue there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:40 PM
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And how do political decisions mostly not affect women? They don't get drafted in war. Still don't over 100 years after suffrage was passed. How is it fair that women then get to vote on any issues of war?
/r/MensRights27/09/22 11:37 PM
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Having sex a lot and having a high n count are two completely separate things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:36 PM
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Good point. There are many many other side effects to T. It could be that the change in T has an outsized influence in women just due to the novelty of the feeling (which would tent to break down social conditioning).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:35 PM
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Pretty much this is all I was meant. I'm much more traditional in approach, which isn't just a male thing btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 11:34 PM
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So you think women are then ones forbidding themselves from driving? You clearly haven't actually listened to the people during these times of "oppression" of women. Usually it's widely supported by both men and women trying to keep their own place.
/r/MensRights27/09/22 11:33 PM
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In any healthy relationship, you don't keep score. You focus on the other person and help them out whatever way they need in order to function better as a couple. If you're keeping score by splitting chores, packing your own lunches, etc, your relationship is ultimately doomed to fail until those things change.
/r/MensRights26/09/22 09:01 PM
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Women today are less happy today than in the past by most metrics. Maybe it's because we've convinced them to be less horny, and that makes them less happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 08:53 PM
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This doesn't actually address the claim that this could be culturally influenced. All of those are measures in the current culture, but that doesn't preclude the existence of a previous culture where it's reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 08:52 PM
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It was a poison, and it was described as being very effective, but with very serious side effects. So... like any modern birth control (just the modern stuff has much slower negative effects)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 08:50 PM
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I actually think this is hilariously accurate. You can even infer some kind of reversal from the Holy Scriptures, where the disciples reacted to Jesus' forbidding of divorce as a negative for men, which completely boggles any Western society member familiar with the nature of modern divorce (women file for 80% of them). I don't think women are actually hornier than men, just that it's roughly equal biologically, but highly susceptible to cultural pressures. If you tell men that they are hornier …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 08:49 PM
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It's like the whole women drivers thing in Saudi Arabia. If you polled the women, the vast majority of them see driving as a chore and like the enforced culture of men driving them everywhere. Same with pre-suffrage American women - they largely didn't care about politics and liked the fact that they didn't have to sign up for the draft or get saddled with the responsibility to make decisions about things that mostly didn't affect them.
/r/MensRights26/09/22 08:39 PM
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If they are monogamous and honest, they do remove themselves from the dating market though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 08:35 PM
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Well, they get all kinds of attention any way. Not usually the kind that they want exactly though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 10:59 PM
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This is definitely a factor. More women think that they are in relationships than men. However the whole simp culture happens the other way with men. The difference is that the women are having sex, and the simps get no action.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 10:43 PM
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No usually it's about women getting all the attention they want and men getting no play and then getting treated like the worst thing in the world as soon as they ask for something.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 10:17 PM
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Women are 2x more likely to get a date from an OLD app than men, just by definition of those numbers. These numbers say nothing about the non-OLD relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 09:19 PM
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You know that every woman in a relationship implies that a man is also in a relationship, assuming it is monogamous and honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 09:16 PM
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Niceness has an implicit expectation of reciprocation that should be embraced, not denied. You need to be nice, and give the other person room to be nice.
/r/RedPillWomen23/09/22 09:14 PM
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I'm not trying to draw any conclusions. I'm trying to offer up possible explanations why some guys are acting bipolar about whether they like you. My guess is you're "hot" in a way that attracts and blinds guys to your personality. Or maybe it could be something else, but the point is that it initially blinds them to something that bothers them more as they get to know you better. This is 99% of the time a personality issue, and our interactions here don't exactly support you being part of the 1…
/r/RedPillWomen23/09/22 05:50 PM
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YES. Especially the low-effort apps where you just need pictures and a short bio. Go to one of those dating sites that make you fill out like an hour's worth of questions and pay like $5-$10, and explicitly advertises its long-term success (like eHarmony). You will find guys who aren't just looking for another player in their game. But I guarantee you that they won't be as immediately attractive as the players, and that they will be a lot quicker to react negatively to any personality issues you…
/r/RedPillWomen23/09/22 05:42 PM
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They were both players, and they reappeared to play you more. Only guys who don't care about your personality at all (because they are only there to play) are willing to look past the negative aspects of your personality.
/r/RedPillWomen23/09/22 05:34 PM
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Again, you are attracting the players and getting played. If you want quality guys, you need to attract them, not the players.
/r/RedPillWomen23/09/22 05:32 PM
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It’s true that, on average, straight men and women should show the exactly the same number of partners. This is not at all true. The only thing that's true is that the number of times a random man has heterosexual sex with a single woman, a random woman has had heterosexual sex with a single man. "Number of partners" doesn't account at all for the number of times that someone has had sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 05:02 PM
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When ever someone says that men statistically have more lifetime sexual partners than women, men on PPD fire back that that is impossible — every time a man has sex a woman has sex too. It should therefore even out. This isn't true, and I can prove it with a simple example: Imagine a room full of 10 men and 10 women. The 10 women each have sex with the same guy. Now you have 100% of women having sex, and 90% of men not having sex. It doesn't even out like that. EDIT: I just realized that I misre…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:59 PM
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So what's your question here? You are attracting the players, and you're getting played. Do you want out of the cycle, or are you just trying to make a series of pointed statements? You imply you're intelligent and well mannered, yet you ghost women? I ghost narcissists who can't listen but will dish out their own self-absorbed perspectives nonstop while making themselves out to be the victim at every turn. Men and women. Usually they have gotten plenty of warnings to stop and they completely ig…
/r/RedPillWomen23/09/22 04:04 PM
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women that I don't consider to be significantly better than me. Why would you expect guys to care what women you think are better are worse than you? The only reason we would care is to see if you have a personal narcissism problem, and that statement above (and a lot of your comments) are very strong evidence that you do have such a problem. It even fits with your described stories, because narcissism isn't something that is immediately obvious to guys in the presence of a hot chick. But after …
/r/RedPillWomen23/09/22 03:48 PM
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This exchange is quite illuminating. I think we've found why the Blue Collar guys always ghost her. If I see anything like this kind of attitude in a woman, I am gone, ghosted, no need to apologize. I actually enjoy talking with women who are very disagreeable and we spar quite regularly. But this attitude completely ruins any enjoyment I may have of it.
/r/RedPillWomen23/09/22 03:38 PM
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Actually, I never considered these men lower than me. Nobody actually thinks this in relationships. It's always an unintentional vibe. So you're going to have to do more introspection than "I don't explicitly and consciously belittle him" if you want to know if this is part of your issue.
/r/RedPillWomen23/09/22 03:33 PM
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Wow, I didn't realize things were that bad in Europe even compared to the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 05:24 PM
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He’ll probably grow out of it/mature as he gets older and more experienced. I feel like this is an underappreciated aspect of relationships. We need more guidance on the kinds of things that people grow out of vs the kinds of things that are genuine red flags.
/r/RedPillWomen21/09/22 05:12 PM
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And lads stop stealing ladies underwear. This feels a little like it might be connected to the single sock thieves.
/r/MensRights21/09/22 04:51 PM
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I've always seen the Red Pill as a transitory thing. Obviously the desired end goal looks something more like traditional relationships. The toxic part of Red Pill is more of a way to use chaos to destroy the entrenched ridiculousness going on. Order vs Chaos.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 09:42 PM
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If your head is hurting, no. If you're feeling good, positive, and well put together, then follow u/welcometothejl 's advice and dig in. You never know who is watching, and if you ignore the problem the dragon will only grow.
/r/MensRights19/09/22 04:53 PM
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It gives me the "ick." Enough said.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:37 PM
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Except… if they are only in it platonically that is their right, if you don’t like it you can fuck off . You sound like the type of person I would definitely want to keep a normal friendship with. Pretending we're talking about an actual normal person, in my experience she was a little disappointed and questioning but was ok with it. We still talk, I'm less interested in her, and I respect her boundaries. And she respects mine. I bet you’re not bold enough to vocalise this with them right? … So …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 04:33 PM
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I have very specific rules around this. I make it very clear to any girl that asks to be "platonic" friends (or "just friends" or anything specifically defined as unromantic) that I will not be defining the friendship that way. She is a female friend with all that entails. You're not going to guilt me into thinking that any romantic feels that I may or may not develop are a violation of some kind of friendship. I have lots of female friends (I'm single), but I never explicitly establish platonic…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 11:02 PM
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Why can't you specifically point out the exact type of women/men you have an issue with? What does that look like exactly? For men, saying "I would like a woman who does this, that, and the other for me" comes off as extremely demanding and toxic already (apparently women are such angels that men should be happy just to have them grace their presence and ask for nothing). This, and also there is this tendency of people who are not explicitly like that but are perfectly complicit in these things …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 10:37 PM
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The issues with Native Americans are similar to Black Americans, but they have a whole different history to unravel. Most NA's are living off of Federally run reservations that have horrible incentive structures very similar to the ravages of the welfare system. Again, to do a deep dive into all of that stuff (and not just focus on statistics) would probably show a lot of nuances in some cases but also a lot of similarities between the effects of the Civil Right's movement and the federal repara…
/r/RedPillWomen16/09/22 10:29 PM
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They would find other outlets to let go of their sexual energy, probably worse ones. I disagree with this take. People develop habits for stuff they repeat, not the other way around. Every man would prefer a real partnership with a woman over porn. Its not the mens fault. Again, disagree. Have you seen the vapid sh*t that men have to put up with nowadays? I think men are just as "guilty" (if you can really call it that) of not wanting relationships with women as women are of not wanting men, if …
/r/MensRights16/09/22 10:10 PM
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Well part one of a solution is demanding one. I think guys would be much more ready to demand a solution if there wasn't something of a cheap substitute in porn.
/r/MensRights14/09/22 09:24 PM
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It's far worse than that. It functions as a replacement for actually fixing issues, interacting with people, etc.
/r/MensRights14/09/22 08:59 PM
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Where did you get the idea that I was in favor of banning porn? I never said that. Honestly I agree with you about it being the symptom first, but I think it's incredibly naive to think that it doesn't make the issues worse.
/r/MensRights14/09/22 08:39 PM
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Porn is both a symptom and a cause for further descent.
/r/MensRights14/09/22 08:18 PM
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time and resources directed at one thing leave less time and fewer resources to direct at something else, correct? It goes deeper than that (you can't just sum up attention and focus like you can time and resources), but I think it's approximately correct. Sure, but the question is why did it accelerate faster in the Black community than in the other communities? Why did the culture shift the way that it did? Why did other oppressed minorities end up much better off without such major pushes for…
/r/RedPillWomen14/09/22 08:18 PM
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Thomas Sowell has documented this well in the black community. If you look at the single parent rates back in the 50's I believe, they had a lower rate of broken families than the white community. The Civil Rights' movement coincided with a huge uptick in these kinds of social issues, much faster than in sub-populations that weren't the focal point of the Civil Rights in question. The point being that a focus on improving the lot of a sub-population of people can and often does have the opposite…
/r/RedPillWomen14/09/22 12:07 AM
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Men were essentially groomed and sexually messed up for decades by professional online porn producers and you never heard a peep from anyone except to blame men for when it started affecting marriages and relationships. Now that women are starting to get caught up into it thanks to social media, all of a sudden it's a huge problem. There's a definite double-standard.
/r/MensRights13/09/22 11:45 PM
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I think at least part of the problem is when success is measured by anything other than competence at the job. If a place is just naturally full of women because of some structural coincidence, then it can work as long as people are focused on the job at hand. But as soon as you start focusing people's attention elsewhere, you have problems. You can see something similar with Civil Rights movements and the subsequent internal decline of those populations that were ostensibly helped by said movem…
/r/RedPillWomen13/09/22 11:41 PM
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Have you seen the recent poll numbers for Feminism that split between age and gender and political affiliation? Everything looked mostly normal (conservatives hated it, liberals loved it, older people liked it more than younger people) except for male liberals. They disliked feminism about 3/4 as much as male conservatives did. I think the simple answer here is Feminism is destroying the left among men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:16 PM
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Have you ever seen a woman get abducted while walking alone at night?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 07:42 AM
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It's a partial truth. They do it for how the difference in attention from others makes them feel. This attention is more complicated than just "the male gaze." You also get looked at differently from women. You also imagine other people looking at you differently. There's a huge variety of different ways this makes women feel better about themselves, and every single one of them is a sign of being a narcissistic attention wh***.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:04 PM
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Guys, the rule about advice for men from women applies in spades here. This is going to be from her perspective, not yours. She's not going to ever get the cops called on her, so why would she think about such a possibility or even notice such a situation developing. If you're ugly and male, do not take this advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:01 PM
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I go to church, sometimes I'll go to sporting events, and I often can be seen working at a local cafe. If you find out where they hang out, let me know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 10:58 PM
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I think it's more a function of how society is set up better to support lonely women than it is to support lonely men. Men just have the bottom dropped out from under them if they are single. There's no meaning, there's no value, you're looked at suspiciously in a lot of contexts, etc. With women, there's a meaning attached to it (however shallow it may be). You can attach yourself to any number of socially acceptable ideals. This provides a somewhat genuine replacement for relationships, though…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 10:48 PM
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Dead beat dads will always be worse than single moms. One cannot get any credit for their absence. She could be straight up beating those kids but if you weren’t there you sure as hell couldn’t have been protecting them so you’re still a POS. Again with the gaslighting. You can't think of any other reason other than the guy being a deadbeat that he isn't around? Not the fact that it's very easy for women to divorce their husbands and get full custody? A single mom that works to keep the father o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 10:44 PM
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This is completely untrue. You obviously haven't been to many Bible colleges - there is a whole world of liberal Christianity that most people pretend doesn't exist, yet it is just as insufferable.
/r/MensRights12/09/22 04:11 PM
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Those laws were far more mundane and nuanced than the headlines gave them credit for anyways. This was about how to deal with cases of "he said she said" not cases where there was direct evidence of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:08 PM
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in the face of all this doesn’t it make sense young women are focusing on career and marrying later? If you take a look at the economics, you would understand that there is a causal relationship between women entering the workforce and wages going down so low that you no longer can live off of a single wage-earner. If you increase the supply of workers, the price is pressured downwards. Which both men and women participate in so why women are getting all the slack for that is beyond me. This one…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:04 PM
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The RedPill is fundamentally about something just being "off" about the "normal" society's way of doing things. RP offers a wide variety of alternative explanations, some of which amount to nothing more than "you hurt me, now I hurt you." Which honestly is better than the whole "I'm going to keep suffering in silence while you keep walking all over me." (But not as good as actually fixing stuff - but that's a heckuva lot more difficult than just suffering in silence or being retributive).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:00 PM
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So why does pretty much every study about the effects of living together before marriage conclude that such action is a predictor of increased later marriage trouble? Humans aren't robots. You can't enter into the "halfway arrangement" of living together without commitment and expect that not to have an impact on their psyches and perception of the relationship. Sometimes the best strategy is to burn the ships. "Common sense" would indicate that being fully committed to something will result in …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 05:58 PM
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I wouldn't call 70% the "vast majority." Also there is a simple relationship dynamic that goes on, which is that people who are stable tend to pair off more quickly than the insane people. That means that if you wait and observe, you are going to see more relationships start and end with very unstable people than stable people, and at any given time there are more "recently available" unstable people than stable people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:45 AM
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This answer isn't from RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:41 AM
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This answer isn't from RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:41 AM
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Well it does and women still do it. It's probably a shit-ton of peer pressure and psychological manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:40 AM
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What do you think marriage is? Some kind of incantation that you recite that magically makes you fall in love or devote? No, it's a public vow to each other meant never to be broken as long as you both live. That means something if you don't view it as nothing more than a sentimental bond meant to be dissolved as soon as the sentiments go away. The marriage vow means as much as the commitment of the two people making it. Society used to help us along here, but now it seems intent on turning it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:39 AM
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See, hearing your experience just makes me double down on my stance of celibacy before marriage. Sex is just a thing people do because it's what is expected of them. It's not meaningful at all in the long run after you've broken up with the person. The benefits of "test driving" the other person seem vacuous at worst, vastly overridden by short-term fleeting desires and offset by the long-term due that must be paid back at best. The only reason to have sex before an extremely serious commitment …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 04:08 AM
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Right, but I'm talking about over the past decade or so, not just the past 2 or 3 years. Especially if these relationships where it happens are many months or a year+ long.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:36 AM
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No I meant after the 4th or 5th cycle of getting to know someone, him "liking you as a person," you sleeping together, and then breaking up for some reason or other, the breakup time, and then looking for the next person. That seems empty. IDGAF about the legal document. I care about the commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 02:50 AM
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I see the difference, but I guess I'm a little confused then why you can't see why people would take that all the way to a full-on lifetime commitment. "He actually liked me as a person" just seems kind of empty after about the 4th or 5th time, doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 02:41 AM
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This is reason #589 why I'm celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 02:34 AM
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Because he’s going to enjoy it way more than me. Is that really the only reason you wait? Like I'm a fan of waiting, but this just seems kind of twisted. Like I wouldn't make my girlfriend wait on taking me shopping just because I know she's going to enjoy it way more than me. Seems kind of sadistic tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 02:29 AM
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What part of "I wouldn't recommend it if at all you can find another way" indicates to you that I think this is at all healthy? Do you lack basic reading comprehension, or are you just looking for ways to be neurotic and accusing? Having sex with drunk people while being sober is considered rape. Where did I say that the other person had to be sober? Also you can give consent while sober to sex while drunk. If he's sober and says "hey I'm going to get drunk, let's have sex!" then... pretty sure …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 02:28 AM
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Women who are virgins at marriage are less likely to divorce. It's not even close. Something like 35% of marriages end with the woman divorcing the man (another ~10% end with the man divorcing), but it's low single digits if you only look at women who married as virgins. That's a big difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 02:24 AM
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I was referring to the fact that you have had sex with more men than I have, so you would know better than I do if horny dudes like foreplay. Would you derive any kind of satisfaction from helping a guy get off? Or does that thought of that sound like your least favorite chore?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 02:18 AM
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People do that type of shit all the time. Alcohol is much more common though. I wouldn't recommend it if at all you can find another way, but the fact that she admitted to doing said drug already means it's not like egregiously bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 02:08 AM
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Well, I still go back to the dentist when I need to. Though yeah, probably taking care of my teeth better so I don't have to spend extra time there as much as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 02:06 AM
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Why would a guy not want this virgin woman if she’s also saving herself for marriage? They wouldn’t know until after they were married. I’m talking about this topic; marrying a virgin who ends up not enjoying sex. I'm not sure where I said anything that a guy wouldn't want a virgin woman if that's what he wanted. The bit I was quoting was where you said she was waiting, but you also said specifically that she was not a virgin. No guy is going to want a woman like that, whether he is saving himse…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 02:04 AM
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Look, I am as horny as they come, but I know dang well that slight struggles with the "final pay-off" are a very small price to pay if I have found a woman who makes us a great married couple the other 995 waking minutes of the day (aka, all stuff that I can learn about a virgin before marriage just as good as non-virgins learn before marriage). Believe it or not, even horny dudes can like foreplay if it's done right. You should know this better than I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:54 AM
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I wouldn't know, I've never had it happen to me other than at the dentist's office. That's why I'm asking you :P
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:33 AM
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My opinion on the subject is that people change with time, so to focus too much on the immediate characteristics of your partner is a trap. Also you didn't specify percentages, which matter a lot here. If it's 50% of virgins not being able to stand having sex, that's a very different issue than if it's <1%. Say having a virgin makes her 10% less likely to divorce-rape you, and that trade-off risk starts looking quite worth it even if a lot of these virgins are bad at sex. Plus there's the dynami…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:32 AM
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Sex is like what, 8 minutes a day if you are a complete horn-dog? I've heard of couples changing each other adult diapers for years in their later lives, that takes at least that long. I'm curious though, does this mean that you all don't enjoy the foreplay either, or is it just the physical act that you don't enjoy?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:19 AM
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Yeah there are things to consider other than just "enjoyment" when it comes to stuff like this. We don't wipe the baby's butt because one or the other of us enjoys it. It's a need, it's expected, there aren't really any alternatives, it's not considered degenerate behavior, etc. When you say "absolutely no enjoyment out of it," do you mean just neutral, or do you mean actively hating it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:16 AM
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There are going to be people who you groove with better than others in bed. That is not what the OP was about. OP was about it being impossible, not about it not being as good as it could be. Of course you're going to have a "better" experience in bed with a trained prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:11 AM
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It seems like a tiny risk to take in comparison to the very real increased risk of marital problems if you take your partner on a "test drive." How is this hard to grasp? This is like the abortion argument with rape/incest. 98% of the time, it goes the other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:10 AM
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What is that risk exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:08 AM
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He wasn't comparing them. He was comparing empathetic enjoyment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:08 AM
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But what if she watched some videos to try to learn. Yeah that's a question I'm going to be asking my virgin fiance before we marry. "Have you watched pegging videos to the point that you have an unhealthy desire to execute them?" Seriously, that's just something really dumb for anyone to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:07 AM
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His comment doesn't actually need that premise in order to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:04 AM
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So... you figure this out... and you and your virgin husband move to a state with legalized marijuana... Sounds like we already have a fix for your unfortunate hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 01:02 AM
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This situation is a complete red herring. Sex is one of the easiest things to do well enough in a marriage, and it's completely retarded that we lift it up to this level of importance. I value the things we do for each other, the 500x more important other compatibility issues that we've already worked out without sleeping together, the way she looks at me, etc etc etc ad nauseum. The sex life is going to go how it will. If it's really that bad there's probably some underlying issue that won't be…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:59 AM
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This isn't an answer to the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:54 AM
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Because our culture values short-term pleasure over the long-term good. It's sweet to the mouth and bitter to the belly. This applies to its effects for both men and women, even if it's a little different in the details. And anyways, even if it only damaged women, it would still come around to the male gender in the form of trying to pair up with damaged women (or ending up mutually alone).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:50 AM
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I mean we’ve all been virgins. Being terrified of the painful sex you’re about to have before bleeding for weeks and wondering what’s wrong with you is “the greatest trait to advertise”?!?!? The fact that this is what you think of when you think of virginity is a huge ick. Gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:18 AM
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It’s 100% internalized. So is the fact that physically stronger men don't just walk around beating up everyone they can get away with. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:16 AM
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Mostly agree. Men who want virgins should be virgins themselves. I think the mistake you made here is assuming that the same guys who actually want virgins with low n-counts are the same guys sleeping around with every woman that comes into their vicinity. Those aren't the same people. Sure, guys with moderate n-count will say that theoretically they like women with lower n-count than them (same as women wanting guys with higher salaries than them), but you see a whole lot more women "re-waiting…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:15 AM
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Women are less in touch with their emotions than men are. Men feel a ridiculously complex mix of emotions that are often completely impossible to communicate. I've found in having deep conversations with women about feelings, they often don't go to the same depth as men go into. Could this just be a lack of mutual understanding? Possibly, but at the very least men are every bit as deep and complex in their feelings as women are. It's not just "men horny, hungry or sleepy."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 10:35 PM
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Guys that do everything in a relationship should have some self respect and stop being a doormat, their pathetic, but their only hurting themselves Exactly. And the fact that they think they are helping someone else only accelerates the spiral into resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 10:23 PM
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I didn't mean be that on the nose about it. I meant something more along the lines of "Come with me to this Indian place that I really like." By phrasing it something like that, you're giving her permission to invite you to her favorite places.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 10:21 PM
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This seems like a feature, not a bug.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 10:18 PM
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This applies to men too, btw. So I'm actually stereotyping 7.9 billion humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 10:16 PM
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I didn’t lump all women into that category. At the very top, I said specifically that I was talking about “good girls.” Same with men, but that was more implicit. You are right that most partnerships require reciprocity to be functional. In general, almost everyone wants to feel needed. Yes. I’m directing this at a specific subpopulation of men who don’t get the fact that they can’t just “nice” their way into a good relationship. Or that what they’re doing is actively making every girl they run …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:23 PM
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This reasoning literally applies to anything you could possibly say about anything. It’s without nuance and a completely worthless analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:18 PM
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Yes. But “my reason” undergirds all of the others. It also makes non-romantic relationships more reasonable if people state what they want and try not to be overly self-sacrificial. Telling people what you want is a risk. It is a sign of dominance, etc. My point is you can have all of this without becoming an asshole psychopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:16 PM
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Right, I get that there’s an immaturity angle to it too. But women will also just choose perpetual singleness over a “nice guy.” I think the simplest unification of those two things is that women want to feel that they make a difference just as much as guys do. A guy that does everything for her and wants/needs nothing for himself offers her no way to make a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:12 PM
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Right, the underlying principle is definitely not gendered. But the way it comes out is very different. For women who do this, it looks more like the girls who get offended when someone opens the door for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:07 PM
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Yes they lose their minds. But that’s only on the surface. Deep down buried under a lifetime of feminist conditioning is a certain type of attraction if you can stick to it and are consistent with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:04 PM
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Well, as older users of this sub, shouldn’t we be nudging the direction of these discussions for the sake of our younger compatriots?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:01 PM
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But that’s the point. Wouldn’t you want her to tell you if she really really liked, say, Italian food? You’d take her to the Italian place if you knew. Imagine how maddening it would be for you if she refused to tell you that she liked Italian, and every time you went to a place you could tell that she wasn’t reeeally enjoying the place. If you knew she liked Italian, then you can take her there to show that you care. Now imagine that, except exactly flipped and with that Indian place. If she’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:00 PM
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You must be one of the “some people” then.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:44 PM
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It’s against their religion to run for political office, yet they are one of the most successful sub-groups in America.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 02:43 PM
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Have you ever told a woman what you really want?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:41 PM
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Oh tyvm = “thank you very much” I was talking about the type of girls who get offended if you hold the door open for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:40 PM
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I was agreeing with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:34 AM
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Modern feminism is specifically neurotic about the fact that gender differences exist. Femininity can exist without that specific one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:33 AM
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I’ve noticed that too. Is that a sign things are getting better or worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:32 AM
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Ok, what’s your favorite restaurant to go to?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:31 AM
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It really isn’t honestly. I’ve seen women lose guys over this. From women it comes in the form if “I can get the door myself tyvm.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:30 AM
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Ahhh you’d be such a fixer upper and give her a fantastic sense of achievement for every week you don’t beat her. She’s making a difference. Seriously though, maybe tell her that you like Cyberpunk figurines painted if she’s artistic, idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:29 AM
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They are looking for a good guy who makes them feel like they make a difference. However, if they have to choose between the two, they will compromise on the good guy before they will compromise on making a difference. And there’s a certain logic to it. Wouldn’t you choose something meaningful over something that felt meaningless, even if there was a “hot bod” attached? Nice guys need to give their girls meaning in their relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:09 AM
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Sure, you may understand this. But I still see hundreds of very good natured guys forget to apply that reciprocal part when it comes to their romantic lives. I myself fell into that trap. So sure, some know it. But some don’t, and even most that do “know” it don’t get what it actually looks like. Yes, I recognize I’m talking to a subset of the male population.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:59 AM
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Unequal/unreciprocated requests are also disrespectful That’s my point. I’m making the case that unequal/unreciprocated stuff going the other way doesn’t work either. There needs to be explicit reciprocation. Also the PUA RP stuff is wrong because it’s just about using people for sex, not because it’s useful for making yourself more attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:49 AM
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So in your view of things, a guy asking a girl for something is disrespectful?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:27 AM
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If you’ll notice, I’m trying to disassemble one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:15 AM
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America is anti-Amish because we haven't had an Amish President.
/r/MensRights06/09/22 01:15 AM
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Not sure why this got buried so badly (4 hours, zero comments or upvotes). The physical thing that draws me in most about a woman is her eyes (despite knowing better in a lot of cases). The rest is more about being within a reasonable average (I just don't care much for extremes, except maybe hair length). As far as personality, I prefer someone who is effortlessly feminine and hasn't been pulled fully into the resentful feminist competition. It's not like I'll run at the first inklings of femin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 12:49 AM
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I think you're wrong about why girls gravitate to the Tate's and Sneako's of the world and away from the MrGirl's. The reason has to do with the subversive toxicity of MrGirl's mindset. He sounds extremely neurotic and controlling. You can be controlling through "niceness," and women recognize that subconsciously and can't stand it. Tate and Sneako are every bit as negative as they seem, but they aren't subversive whiny manipulative bitches. If they say that they want something, you can be sure …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 09:00 PM
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For the first question, what percentage is 1 out of the number of people born in the 1990s? (I don't sleep with anyone outside of commitment). For the second question, it's probably 80% based on physical attraction (I value other forms of attraction far more - probably whittling my pool down to more like 10%).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 08:39 PM
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double sided reciprocity I really like that term. I found myself continuously struggling for words to describe the idea of benevolently asking people for something as a way to allow them space to help you in a way that improves their self-worth. It's almost like you cannot express that idea easily with our modern language.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 07:59 PM
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I still remember a time before I had heard that song, which was the only reason I actually went ahead and wrote the title. Otherwise yes, it was ringing through my head too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 07:56 PM
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I actually agree somewhat with this. Modern women are culturally pressured to receive niceness, and modern men are culturally pressured to give niceness. Usually it's dressed up in "men should make her feel safe" and "doing something good for men is a sign of historic patriarchal oppression and sounds like eeeevil 'submission.'" However, where I break with that is the simple fact that these instincts to like and be liked run far deeper than the social conditioning. The fact that women who are ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 06:42 PM
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Did you actually read what I wrote, or just skim the titles and the TL;DR? My conclusion was that you need to do good things to other people as well as tell them what they can do to do good things to you. I'm targeting a specific experience with guys who are generally high in conscientiousness and try very hard to be nice, and find that it doesn't work to get them the girl. I literally said "You don't have to be a bad guy to get out of toxic niceness."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 06:37 PM
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It sounds like the message is reaching young men.
/r/MensRights02/09/22 05:03 PM
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I'm pretty sure that jobs are more like a relationship (which is what women complain about men not wanting) than having a one-night-stand hot sex (which is what men complain about women not wanting). That would flip the genders of this little analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:58 PM
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"Nice guys" are not liked because they don't ask for anything. This makes her feel useless at a certain level. Girls want to know that they can do something for their guy (other than smile and say thank you). And yes, some girls are just shitty. But most aren't, and guys who try too hard to be nice genuinely aren't good to be around for too long.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:53 PM
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If you have to say you're nice, you're probably not or doing so with an angle and come off as entitled. Again I think that the problem exists even if you are being "nice" in all the right ways without humblebragging, etc. Like yes, coming out and saying you're nice probably means you're not that nice. My point is that even if you are genuinely nice it's not going to get you far in any relationship if you don't do things like setting boundaries, asking for things (taking the risk that they may no…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:43 PM
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Well, I think the sentiment exists for this version of niceness even outside what people define it as. Like there are a lot of people who fall into this trap of "self-sacrificial niceness" when they are in fact needing reciprocation but "telling" everyone close to them that they don't need it. The nearest path out that I can see is to attach niceness to allowing others to be nice to you as a good thing to do for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:40 PM
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Right. I'm trying to figure out how to get guys from "I did all these nice things for her and it turns her away!" to what you are experiencing. It seems that people are very shitty at effectively explaining it. You end up with people saying "you gotta be a bit of a jerk" when I think all you need to tell people is "tell them what you want and give them space to be nice to you."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:35 PM
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Ehh... I'm not convinced. Sure maybe for some people. For me "kindness" is doing something good to someone while explicitly expecting hardship to come on you. Niceness is more neutral or of the "it'll come around back to me" variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:32 PM
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Why would any man want basically a robot with no agency. I think part of the issue is just straight-up cognitive dissonance (ie, asking for contradictory things). People say they want someone who is nice to them, but don't often say that they want someone that they can be nice to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:20 PM
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That's a separate problem that I'm not addressing here. I alluded to it though. People need to find other things to do for/with each other than having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:13 PM
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It very much is. Like it works in a big city to be nice to random people and just expect that it comes around. In any kind of relationship where you meet the same person over and over, you need more than just "expecting it to come around."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:56 PM
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It's the "pick me" of male gestures, it's cheap and when every girl gets your "niceness" then its meaningless. Kinda like how when everyones special no one is. I don't think this is complete. This whole "nice guy syndrome" also happens when guys are only being nice to one girl. The problem isn't just the generality of it. Women respect men who have their boundary and bad boys have theirs although their boundaries are in the idgaf realm and might not be concious efforts. There is power in walking…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:46 PM
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Perhaps what your really trying to say is that some women are raised to expect to be treated badly and so when they meet someone who does so that expectation is fulfilled and that feels satisfying on some psychological level. Did you read the post? That is not what I'm trying to say. I'm saying that you should give the other person room to be nice to you and do things for you rather than trying to do everything yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:34 PM
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This isn't even specific to romantic relationships. I used the example of "good girls like bad guys," but if you actually read the post, you would've got to the point where I said, "This works for nonromantic relationships as well." That would imply that I'm talking about all relationships in general (familial, romantic, professional, etc) and thus include these that you're asking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:32 PM
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This is the "bad boy" perspective. It certainly has its utility, and is better than a "one way nice guy" perspective that I describe above, but I don't think it's complete. Also just because guys think this way because of "childhood traumas" doesn't mean we can't discuss it. I was pretty targeted in this post towards guys who think this way. Maybe it is because of childhood trauma. Idgaf and to bring that up is worthless except as a pathetic attempt to feel better about yourself and drive them i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:28 PM
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It shouldn't need to be stated. This is such a woman comment. Just tell her what you want. Be less neurotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:23 PM
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its lead me to the conclusion that woman have no moral compass whatsoever. That's where I'm disagreeing with you. Just being "nice" without leaving room for the other person to reciprocate is the mistake that is being made. Try asking explicitly for stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:21 PM
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…yes. If you kept reading my conclusion was that you should explicitly ask for reciprocation rather than do the whole “nice” runaround.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 01:02 PM
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It was fairly recently that I had the realization that hey, I like doing things for other people, maybe other people would like to do things for me. But then I realized that I would have to open up which is NOT happening anytime soon. Bottle that up!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:45 AM
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So I said match rate, not match total. The deal is that the group having a harder time of it is going to be more likely to swipe at a higher rate, further lowering their average match rates. This is where the exponential feedback factor comes in.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:43 AM
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Well it depends on how you look at it. On another level, you could see it as them seeing themselves as your savior and too good to accept anything from you. Either way, it’s demonstrative of something being out of balance, and it’s fairly repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:38 AM
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I’m not justifying women’s poor choices. It absolutely boggles my mind why women would rather deal with an asshole who makes them feel wanted than a “nice” guy who they could just say “ASK me for something that you want me to do instead of trying to do everything for me.” Wait… is it because that sounds too submissive, and that’s not ok unless you’re a part of some extremely trad community?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 02:30 AM
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Not to mention it actually explicitly removes agency from men by saying it’s just something that cannot be helped. I’m offering what I hope is a clear reasoned way to get around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 02:26 AM
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No it’s what I added afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 02:23 AM
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Beings you didn’t bother to read the post (or the TL;DR apparently), this comment is pretty worthless. Also you don’t seem like a very conscientious person, which means you probably never had a problem being the asshole (your words, not mine) and thus you are not the target audience of this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 02:22 AM
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This is slightly unrelated to the topic at hand, but I have a theory that you don't actually want someone "exactly like you" representing your interests. You want a bit of an outsider who cares about you, because they are less likely to dismiss issues that they share. Thomas Sowell did an interesting study about Irish people who had negative socioeconomic outcomes despite having disproportionately higher representation in their local governments. However, their socioeconomic factors improved fas…
/r/RedPillWomen02/09/22 01:39 AM
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You missed some of the specifics but are right in the general. I haven't seen it discussed much how useful it is to explicitly ask someone for something as a way to make them feel wanted and give them room to do you favors. I might add my own TLDR to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 01:16 AM
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Not gonna lie, sounds like it would sell as a concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 01:11 AM
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We don't need to be massively overthinking what words as simple as ''nice'' mean in an attempt to make them bad so that women's choices can be correct. It's actually an allowable conclusion that women's selection criteria aren't perfect and virtuous. I never implied that they were either of those things. And guys actually are this clueless about niceness. It's very unfortunate for guys, especially those who are high in conscientiousness, when they think they are doing something nice for the pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 01:10 AM
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I think it would be interesting to have a dating app that actively shows the numbers of men and women in the area. Like just plastered "THERE ARE [150] WOMEN AND [1,150] MEN IN YOUR AREA ACTIVE ON THIS APP" right on the top status bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 01:02 AM
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New post up just so you're in the loop and there's a connection with this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 12:52 AM
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Right. The problem is that the only way that we can get true balance is for people to go off the market as they get matched. We just re-invented monogamous marriage :P
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 12:50 AM
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If you evened the gender ratio, we would still likely be looking at about a 1:500 chance of matching for an average guy without a single standard to speak of. That's not actually true. What's probably going on is there is a feedback loop that is amplifying the difference, causing an exponential relationship with the difference. My guess is if it was 9:10 you would still see a 2x match rate for the one with more people on it, but 1:1 you would see mostly even match rates eventually shake out. Mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 12:36 AM
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Here's the thing about being "nice:" all niceness implies reciprocity. But the big lie surrounding niceness is that somehow people are just "nice" without an expectation of reciprocity. That is completely untrue. Sure you're never "expecting" something in return immediately, but you are expecting something in return eventually, be that from the person at hand or through cosmic karma. The way to get past this is to recognize that doing things is a two-way street, and you should both be nice and r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 07:49 PM
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I'd do it. I just got done arguing that women should be ok with guys wanting paternity tests even if they have zero reason to suspect their wife of cheating, so sure as heck I'd go through with something like this if I knew it helped quell her fears about my commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 04:34 PM
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You said it “reveals their character” if they don’t reciprocate. Do you treat people different based on how you perceive their character? If so, how exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 03:57 PM
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Well I’m here, and I have not abandoned it. Should I rephrase it into a clearer CMV in a separate post, or just get this unremoved?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 03:52 PM
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If they don't reciprocate, that's on them for being shitty. This is exactly what I’m talking about when I say that this form of “niceness” is toxic af. How is “be nice back or else you’re a shitty person” not a horrible thing to put on people?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 03:50 PM
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This sentiment will get you further than niceness with a lot of people, but it’s not sustainable long-term. Working with others is a necessity in the long term, not an optional convenience.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 03:33 PM
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That’s the problem. You just admitted through your point about reciprocity that there is an expectation of return. You can say “should expect nothing in return” all you want, but the fact of the matter is you are looking for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 03:31 PM
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I would argue that it doesn’t work for deep relationships, only shallow ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 03:28 PM
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Why did this get tagged CMV? I tagged it discussion and got no responses in an hour, so I went to sleep and was going to pick it up today.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 03:26 PM
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I literally was about to type this response. They're using studies like this to assert that it's "not actually abusive" for young boys to have sexual experiences, which then of course reinforces the "there's no excuse for all these young men acting out" when in fact there are clear correlations with these kinds of experiences and struggles later in life.
/r/MensRights01/09/22 04:41 AM
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Don't even do that.
/r/MensRights01/09/22 02:48 AM
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So if there are 3-9 men for every woman on tinder, and 30% of men and women are meeting people on tinder, doesn't that mean that the average woman has to be meeting 3-9x more guys on tinder than guys meeting girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 01:16 AM
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It's the exact same reason that when a young girl gets SA by a man it's the end of the world and people will go to the ends of the earth to kill the perp, but when a young boy gets SA by a woman the assumption is that he liked it and she gets a slap on the wrist. This despite the fact that there's no evidence that it hurts one less than the other.
/r/MensRights01/09/22 01:02 AM
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I slut shame women because I genuinely care about them. They're free to listen or not, but I figure if I can make it a little harder to make bad decisions and a little easier to make good ones, I've made the world a better place. For the record I also simp shame men, and compliment both women who are making good decisions (usually in the face of pick-me allegations) and men who are making kingly decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:16 AM
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You're not doing her any favors by keeping her in the dark while you struggle with feelings over her. Let her know early that you're having little feelings. Don't tell her later that you're having huge feelings. This advice helps on so many levels. It's the basis of an abundance mindset, it makes you feel less desperate and thus more confident, it ups the tempo if you're having to try multiple women before you get a match, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:06 AM
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Men's horniness is almost embarrassingly simple. We see a naked woman or parts of a naked woman, our reptile brain activates and we wanna fuck. This isn't actually true. While men's horniness has been manipulated and gaslit into being this simple, the reality is that men's emotions are extremely nuanced and complicated. It's a desire for meaning mixed with a desire to protect and a desire to feel needed with a dab of arousal, just to start naming a few. However, modern society very successfully …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 12:50 AM
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To hold up a giant mirror onto feminism and hopefully cancel it out. After the war is over, take our rightful places without trying to push this or that agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 12:44 AM
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Your marriage definitely has serious issues. She's talking about divorce. Get counselling and fix whatever underlying issues you have. Make sure you don't have one of those counselors that just blames the man for everything, but you need to talk about this with an intermediary.
/r/MensRights29/08/22 11:03 PM
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I think the source for this feeling is that porn stars are more inaccessible than these other women. Also porn stars are "lower" on the social hierarchy, so you feel less threatened by them than a "somewhat respectable" influencer who dresses her softcore porn as "try-on hauls."
/r/RedPillWomen17/08/22 06:47 PM
2

If he wanted to continue watching lingerie videos, he should’ve been honest and said, “OP, I know you don’t like porn but I will continue to watch lingerie videos on YouTube.” That is what a high value man would do. He would be honest. What on earth? No high value man would make that statement in the first place. There is precisely zero overlap on the venn diagram of men who are honest enough to say that and men who would need to say that.
/r/RedPillWomen17/08/22 06:46 PM
1

You could get banned from the sub.
/r/MensRights17/08/22 01:30 AM
3

IMO I agree with this sentiment. Generally porn access doesn't cause "intrinsic" issues in people. But what it does do is fill a void that would otherwise have been filled by a drive for a relationship. Though it also probably also takes the place of some very bad decisions. The true solution is to stop making the bad decisions in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 12:35 AM
4

Well I was specifically referring to these kinds of crimes, which is why I mentioned school shooters.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 03:21 AM
36

u/duhhhh has an excellent compilation, but I'd like to add this: "Teaching" criminals how not to be criminals doesn't do any good. People very rarely commit felonies just because they weren't told not to do it by some sociology professor. A criminally minded person (like a school shooter) is fueled by descriptions of how much pain their actions would bring, not deterred. Focusing on the pain only helps with good-meaning people (if it helps at all).
/r/MensRights15/08/22 08:56 PM
0

I always double down on it. "Hey by the way I'm using my Male Privilege to pay for your dinner." (The actual term I used on my date was "pull Patriarchy" - and this was after she had said a lot about the advantages men had. I always just agreed with her, but in a way that was like "then let me hear you out so I can help you").
/r/MensRights15/08/22 04:46 PM
1

What is this "fun" you speak of? Cocaine is also "fun" in some regard but that doesn't mean you should f*ck around with it before sobering up. The guys in your second paragraph are usually either speaking in terms of a "in a better world, don't do this. But this world is shitty, so have fun" context or they're just dumbasses to be avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:27 PM
0

Yes, and Shariah Law is good for women according to the Islamic apologists. Just saying it doesn't make it so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:13 AM
2

I wasn't addressing my comment to you, but thanks for your input!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 10:51 PM
1

Beyond a certain point, common interests are overrated. Yes, the first 3 or 4 are an absolute necessity. But beyond that, it's more about things that grate on each other and if you can balance that out with things that draw you together. You need some give and take, and you can't have that if you're just constantly agreeing on everything. Sure it's fun, but it's shallow in the long term. We all need someone with just enough in common to enjoy each other enough that the differences that are the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 10:22 PM
3

I know enough to not look for validation from females. And you, the dude there scrolling past this comment. You're a king. You're an absolute catch and any woman would be lucky to have you as her man. Why? You are man. Wear your manly crown proudly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 10:04 PM
2

I am a guy whose abused and used by women because of how modern society functions today to benefit women. Isn't that a normal initiating factor for trans people?
/r/MensRights28/07/22 09:57 PM
1

quite surprising with the rise of sexual liberation, OLD and feminism. That happened in the late 1960s and 1970s, which is before the timeline listed in your description (1989-2021). We had already crested by 1989 in that respect. It's not surprising to see it fall off the high.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 09:55 PM
1

How can you say It's up to each person to determine what works for them. right after saying I mean we're all influence by one force or another. We're literally talking about what influences should be encouraged and which ones should be discouraged. If you're influenced, then you are not making the decision entirely yourself. Those things are contradictions. You can't spend a huge amount of effort convincing someone to do something and then when they go your claim that they chose that of their ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 09:52 PM
0

Feminism is not about choice. It's about influencing women to act a certain way, and then calling it "choice" when they choose your way and "oppression" when they choose the other way despite your efforts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 09:48 PM
1

women are finally showing they're more than stay at home moms or a housewife Do you not see how this statement is phobic of those people? That's like me saying that I'm happy I'm "more than a woman." It's pretty offensive tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 09:46 PM
1

I think it's a step in the right direction. Sex should have a cost for all parties involved. A solution to the child support fraud case could be to allow paternity tests after the child is 18 to hold up in fraud court, and subject the woman to liability to return all child support to the frauded non-father if she declined a paternity test when asked.
/r/MensRights27/07/22 05:49 PM
1

That's the idealist version, sure. But the reality is that Feminism has also been used in the name of pushing women into traditionally male-dominated fields, the assertion that men and woman are equally good at everything (and therefore any disparity must be sexism), pushing more women into the army, etc. Modern "more choices" ideology will literally spend huge amounts of effort in convincing people to make different choices and then insist that people responding to their influence are just "exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 05:42 PM
1

Ahh, a feminist by phallophobia. Interesting... I mentioned it in another comment, but I'll repeat here that the modern push for more men in certain (usually high-paying) male-dominated fields is a great example of this. Also the push for more women in the military. And the debasement of motherhood and other forms of femininity compared to where they were.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 05:35 PM
0

So you feel sorry for women for having a choice to act like themselves. Literally the opposite of what I said. I feel sorry for women for having public social pressure to act like something they are not "naturally." I do get that the idea of "naturally" is up for debate, but I tried to word it around that. What about modern feminism makes women ‘more like men’? The push for more women in male-dominated work areas, as a big example. A lot of women enjoy having jobs, having independence, not being…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 05:31 PM
2

In a nutshell, Feminism. The public pressure to be more like men and to measure yourself directly against men and what men are biologically advantaged for, rather than accept the value of your own personal biological dispositions. The public debasement of femininity into some twisted form of sexual promiscuity. The "empowerment" that women receive at a very young age, which has a counterpart in responsibility that comes along with it. With that power comes a huge weight of responsibility to be t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 03:21 PM
2

You generally get shitty at things when you're, you know, doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 10:22 PM
3

so while i’m happy and still learning, i don’t see why people see it as a good thing? You're looking at it from the experience of the right now, struggling and learning together. The reward at having learned everything together afterwards is quite well-worth it. It's like buying a trophy versus earning it. And yes, it's also a struggle to deal with an alpha-widowed woman, but there's nothing rewarding about that at the end of the day. The fact that women ask this question just exposes how little…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 02:10 AM
1

The pills are mostly about relationships, and sex is just one part of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 02:03 AM
2

"If only people thought like me, every bad thing would stop."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:56 PM
21

I'm absolutely sick of the pandering. Look, I'm fine with being a part of a gender that has such expectations placed on me. But for crying out loud, don't do it while spitting in my face and calling me privileged while screwing me at every corner. There will be male privilege so long as men bear this burden. And we always will, even if they lie and say that it's equal.
/r/MensRights08/07/22 11:33 PM
6

I'm going to take this in the complete opposite direction. This is a green flag, not a red one. You are describing a man who is (at least somewhat) demonstrating a knowledge of his Shadow, and his mastery over it with you. This is a very good thing. You don't want a guy so unaware of his capability for evil that he isn't making conscious decisions to follow the light, and instead is getting pushed in that direction. You want a guy who has the self-knowledge to incorporate his shadow and choose c…
/r/RedPillWomen08/07/22 11:28 PM
8

I think even to build on this, you don't want a guy who didn't make this conscious decision. It's a little shocking to admit that yes, you're capable of evil, but the person who has incorporated this into themselves and is capable of still choosing the good is a far better man than someone who isn't aware at all of his shadow. What I find most unfortunate about this is that this is actually an extremely green flag on his part, but it's getting spun the complete wrong direction.
/r/RedPillWomen08/07/22 11:20 PM
2

The vast majority of alleged "sex trafficking" is some form of adult prostitution. This isn't to undermine the seriousness of the issue of sex trafficking or even prostitution, but to emphasize the seriousness of lying about such things to garner increased support or "awareness." So yes, in this case, it might make sense and garner sympathy to side with the victim. But every bad law and bad precedent has a sympathetic victim at its head. If this is applied indiscriminately to "sex trafficking" c…
/r/MensRights08/07/22 11:15 PM
0

let's face it, you're fine with men fucking off If that were true, I could understand the anger. However the fact that I have repeatedly said that I'm not fine with it means that you are clinging to some kind of demonic image of me to maintain your worldview. I understand it, it's much easier to de-person people when you speak of them in euphemisms and imagine them with devil's horns, responsible for all kinds of suffering. Perhaps if the fetus had a long nose in Weimar Germany and I was a lando…
/r/MensRights08/07/22 12:00 AM
3

Because in reality, online hate doesn't matter that much, and you don't actually fix it by "treating it" in some way.
/r/MensRights07/07/22 04:53 PM
1

Were any of those "women post pics, men post voice messages?"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:13 PM
2

This has me wondering if men are just supposed to accept little BS like this and not being appreciated if we want to have a family. No. Get your house in order. It sounds like you're trying to passively coast through life like a woman rather than confront issues. If you demand to live your life as a passive bystander, then yes you need to put up with little shit like this and her eventually leaving you and taking the kids. Just can't believe how selfish she was and how I can never have another f…
/r/MensRights07/07/22 04:11 PM
0

My "arguments" hinge on the fact that sex should be free and enjoyable for everyone that wants to have sex with each other. Sex is not and never has been "free," even if you completely remove the chance of pregnancy from it. You're working against biology, which any half-decently self-aware woman knows (and any reasonably astute man knows) puts a ton of weight and baggage with sex. Your argument is based on sex being literally nothing more than a hug, which is ludicrous even if you remove the ch…
/r/MensRights07/07/22 03:52 PM
0

I agree that your "solution" is somewhat less barbaric than allowing abortions. I would even agree with it to some modifications - say that we outlaw having sex outside of marriage without the male having a vasectomy. But even that doesn't really help much. Women can still get raped even if all unmarried men have vasectomies. Women can still get pregnant from rape if the man had whatever certification you are proposing we put in place for getting it undone. Are you proposing background checks fo…
/r/MensRights06/07/22 12:05 AM
1

I think you're missing the fact that the feeling is mutual. Men are also choosing to be single rather than deal with the modern "empowered womxn." (Which just means that they act like they don't need you and are incredibly more disagreeable).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 02:31 AM
1

You seem to think that I'm arguing that rape shouldn't be illegal. Is that actually what you think I believe? Your response seems roughly appropriate if that's the conclusion that you came to. Perhaps mandated vasectomies would be appropriate if we made rape legal. For the record, no I'm not in favor of rape being legal. I'm also generally not in favor of taking things from an innocent bystander to give to someone who was stolen from. It doesn't make me misogynistic to not be in favor of baby mu…
/r/MensRights01/07/22 11:10 PM
0

Abstinence works 100%. In cases of rape, the blood of the innocent does not atone for the sins of the father, nor does it make anyone's trauma go away. So again... when I get to own your body, then we'll talk. If by this you mean force me to take care of any offspring that may result from all my sexual gallivanting, then your terms are acceptable. We could also just mandate that all men freeze sperm and have a vasectomy. Nobody is talking about mandating birth control for women. Well, except for…
/r/MensRights29/06/22 12:34 AM
0

Child support isn't an engaged father. It's insulting to fathers to even imply that. Not all men are disengaged. That was the point you were making about not all women aborting their baby. And if you look at the data around delinquency and single motherhood, it's not like single mothers are exactly the most engaged parents that exist either. no man has ever died of paying child support. No man has ever died trying to earn money. Gotcha. Why don't you sign away your basic human rights, then we'll…
/r/MensRights29/06/22 12:22 AM
1

Where's that study on the rise of men who haven't had sex in the past year? Isn't it up to like 30% at this point?
/r/MensRights28/06/22 09:58 PM
4

Somehow I didn't need to see your pfp to know you are a woman.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 09:57 PM
0

Except many women also don't have abortions and do become single mothers. So they are engaged mothers. Except many men also don't financially abort and do become fathers. So they are engaged fathers. Wasn't the point that men should be able to abort as well? How is giving the advice right back going to progress that? I'm firmly on the anti-abortion side of the issue. Women shouldn't be able to abort, and men shouldn't be able to abort. We've already got laws on the books for the latter, so let's…
/r/MensRights28/06/22 09:42 PM
1

Pretty sure more women get abortions than become single mothers, but I don't have data on that.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 08:11 PM
2

Also there are other options open to men apart from the one you mentioned. Be an engaged father (you never know, you might enjoy it), or if you don't want to do that find a job overseas and you'll never have to pay anything. Also there are other options open to women apart from the one you mentioned. Be an engaged mother (you never know, you might enjoy it), or if you don't want to do that flee the country and you'll never have to pay anything.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:51 PM
1

But many people also don't externalize their loneliness to negatively impact other people. I mean, it's fair to point out that loneliness comes in many forms. For example, the loneliness experienced by many of our modern pop stars is quite different from that of a person who has deep trust issues and never had a close friend. But I can't think of any form of loneliness that doesn't negatively impact others. Antisocial behavior makes things difficult for others even when you aren't interacting wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 04:19 PM
1

Black moms and kids are more likely to die. Usually murdered by black males. Black men go to prison longer for the same crimes. Violent crime rate among the unprisoned population is still higher. Black people are seen as worse for the same behaviors. A random black person is 5 times more likely to be a violent criminal than a random person of any other race, at least in America. This is according to crime data, and it's basically completely impossible that this difference is due entirely to diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 04:12 PM
11

Having more physical strength means nothing if the legal system consistently is arrayed against you.
/r/MensRights21/06/22 09:08 PM
8

Women have air support. So unless the guy plans on completely incapacitating her, she has all of the final power because of the bias of the legal system.
/r/MensRights21/06/22 09:07 PM
1

It's easy to feel less entitled when you're consistently given a lot of what you want. These men are lonely. I don't think it's much more difficult to understand than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 09:00 PM
4

None of these suggestions actually address the underlying problem, and in fact probably would only make things worse. Also death penalty for rape is not a road you want to go down.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 08:58 PM
2

This isn't right. To say that slavery 150+ years ago somehow justifies ignoring violence today is just wrong. You're making the exact same rationalizations that every one of those groups make that you claim to hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 08:54 PM
2

I remember telling a female friend of mine that i would like her number so I could text her. She thought i said "sext" Yeah, you don't hear this without thinking about it. She was definitely thinking about that word while you were talking.
/r/MensRights21/06/22 08:48 PM
119

I also notice that in public spaces men are more collegial with me, which they express through verbal and nonverbal messages: head lifting when passing me on the sidewalk and using terms like “brother” and “boss man” to acknowledge me." We do have some things right socially :D
/r/MensRights21/06/22 03:10 PM
1

I mean, you are the exception, not the rule, if you actually think that way. More power to you, and I think that more people should get married to people their age at a younger age and focus on building lives together rather than what each other has to offer. The problem with people is that what they say they'll do in hypotheticals and what they actually do when those hypotheticals come to life are two different things. And then there's the messaging, which is how we affect what people offer us …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:07 PM
2

I generally agree with you that the age split isn't as big as RP makes it out to be, especially when it comes to relationships. However, you seem to have completely forgotten that one-night stands and non-relationship flings are a thing. Comparing a 22-year old male to a 29-year old male for a fling is very imbalanced for the typical 22-year old female looking for something fun. This 7 year advantage is still enough to make young guys have problems getting what they want (even young relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 06:04 PM
1

I want privilege for having to register for selective service, and be used as cannon fodder should an invasion ever come (like happened in Ukraine).
/r/MensRights18/06/22 12:56 AM
1

I disagreed with your assertion that privilege should be handed out on the basis of being different. That's actually not what I said, if you would have read the context rather than jumping straight to the sound bite. I said that privilege should be handed out on the basis of men being in the draft. Your inability to think logically shows you have a lot in common with the females than you'd like to think. Umm... for someone accusing me of being racist and a sexist, this is a pretty rich thing to …
/r/MensRights17/06/22 11:18 PM
1

Nothing in life is certain. This isn't a controversial statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 11:13 PM
1

Shot: You're just like the feminists, only the male version. Both of you are oblivious to how discriminatory you both are. Chaser: It's because of this mindset the feminist movement even began... From race to gender, you're still stuck in the 1800's. Sooo.... Feminists kept us in the 1800s? Also I'm racist because I said men and women are different... peak 2022.
/r/MensRights17/06/22 06:27 PM
2

Play the long game. Look at it 20 years from now looking back.
/r/MensRights16/06/22 10:32 PM
-4

Nahh, you guys with your panties all up in a wad because you want to end the draft or draft women are completely missing the point. Men get the draft, therefore we should also get male privilege. Why are you guys out here fighting for "equality" with females? They are different from us. We should get different treatment. It's about making a bargain, not some kind of technical notion of #Equality.
/r/MensRights16/06/22 10:26 PM
1

At a minimum, it's a drastic oversimplification. That was always the point. It's a simplification of the concept of an exponential distribution. The more sex you have, the more desirable you are to have sex with. With women there is a significant factor that works against this, that is men's desire for sexual inexperience. This by its very nature will flatten that distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 04:32 PM
17

I thought presenting him an ultimatum might trigger him to make a clearer decision for me to be able to access whether I should stay in this relationship or not. Ok first of all, PLEASE both of you start communicating directly. "...make a clearer decision for me to be able to access whether I should..." Do you always talk to each other this way? How do you ever really know what anyone means? You're hedging yourself like 3 times over in every sentence. If you converse normally like this, there is…
/r/RedPillWomen16/06/22 04:56 AM
12

Last night, I presented him with a very direct question about whether something would be a deal breaker regarding a situation about how he will react when and if his mom wanted to start issues again. Holy indirectly worded run-on. Can you clarify this? Were you asking if he would see it as a deal-breaker, or are you saying that it would be a deal-breaker for you if he doesn't change how he reacts to his mom starting issues? Later you said "but he felt like how I presented it as a deal breaker sc…
/r/RedPillWomen16/06/22 01:44 AM
1

Modern, enlightened, supportive women are not a rare breed. That is a contradiction of terms. Modernity is all about self-care, not support. Individualism and not community. Feminism and not working together. Every ounce of supportiveness that a woman has is an ounce of modernity that she does not have. That's true of men, too, but that's not our current topic. Is there a shred of evidence that men are the ones who wont marry now? It's now a common cultural trope that women have trouble getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 10:00 PM
1

most advice these days is "don't date for potential" which is true. a person only changes because THEY PERSONALLY want to. Dating for potential is different from what I'm talking about. You're still dating based on what you hope they become, rather than dating based on a desire to work together and accomplish things together. So I agree that you shouldn't date for potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 07:44 PM
1

Those are all things that you need to work at in order to reform. That's part of reform. Coalescing ideas, gathering support, unifying and distilling the message, and dealing with pushback. That's reform in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 07:37 PM
2

Why should young women get to ask for competence without risk or effort on their part? Because they can get it. Because men keep giving it to them. Meanwhile divorce rates skyrocketed and have only come back down when the marriage rate dropped (ie, men are stopping marrying these women). Yes, those are out there, but so are the good ones. I don't disagree with this statement. However, when the odds of getting one of these are 60% instead of the more normal 6%, there is a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 07:31 PM
3

Agree with your diagnosis, disagree that the only option is to leave. What's wrong with reform?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:45 PM
35

really what most of those people need is an industrial-sized vat of therapy The problem here is that this ideology has even infected modern therapy.
/r/MensRights14/06/22 04:29 PM
0

Something that isn't even concrete and guaranteed. Nothing is concrete and guaranteed. Our attempts to make things concrete and guaranteed ultimately results in stasis and doing nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:20 PM
1

I have quite a bit of money that I earned, especially for a person my age living in my country. In fact, I think it's safe to say that 95% men my age don't have that amount of cash, and I'm earning more and more every month. What job exactly are you working? The fact that you have cut off most of your family raises... questionable flags about the type of job that pays that much to a 22-year-old woman in what sounds to be a not too developed nation.
/r/RedPillWomen14/06/22 05:27 AM
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Men don't verbalize their trauma, so it must not exist. Don't look behind the suicide curtain!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:13 AM
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No, but I'm pro-life. However, I'm 100% on board with consistency here. If we're going to make abortions legal, it shouldn't be so one-sided. That's obviously just an extreme bias against men, which isn't helpful for creating healthy male-female relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:11 AM
4

I don't think she's that attracted to me, because when a woman [like that - with a sexual past] is attracted to a man, she will be ready to have sex and pounce on him. She won't be able to wait and control herself. Don't go after thots with short-term men in their past. You will soon be on the outside of one of her short-term flings. I wasn't interested in the guy I had sex with. I was just horny, he was physically attractive and he fulfilled a quick need. I didn't want to be with the guy and he…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:06 AM
3

On the other hand, some women refuse to date men their own age, viewing them as immature and unaccomplished. It takes TIME to grow into your powers as a man—and if you’re not already a natural with women, your experience can only increase slowly. What ever happened to investing in a young man of your own age and helping him advance his career to the mutual benefit of both and your family? Why should young women get to ask for competence without risk or effort on their part? The answer is the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:42 AM
2

The root problem with this kind of thing is the fact that consent is actually a shitty standard. It's not enough to merely have mutual consent for the act. Are you both prepared to deal with the consequences? Do you both understand the risks involved? Do you both know what your emotional connections are going to be with each other after this encounter? Do you consent to the shitty feeling afterwards? There's a good reason successful cultures historically based acceptable sexual relationships aro…
/r/MensRights13/06/22 11:30 PM
3

I feel I have a lot to offer. I have put a lot of thought into this over the last few years. I thought about this later that I completely forgot to mention that there could be an issue with presentation. As in you possess high RMV traits, but lack the skill at presenting them in a way to effectively convince someone that they're worth pursuing. So yes, it could be just that you're meeting all of the wrong men. But it could also be that you will improve your results just by working on your presen…
/r/RedPillWomen10/06/22 09:57 PM
11

So far I've seen "Don't talk to anyone, especially not the police," "Get your parents involved and on your side ASAP" and "Only talk to a lawyer." Seems about as solid as it gets, tbh.
/r/MensRights09/06/22 11:30 PM
1

I agree with your statement, but entirely disagree with your example. That's a very bad example. A good example of non-communicative action would be to do something randomly nice for the person when there is conflict. Can't agree about who to vote for? Do the dishes, make his favorite meal, get her flowers, give him a random nice hug, etc. If it's a more random person, there are smaller things you can do. People will argue that achshally that's communication, and it is. But do keep your mouth sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:09 PM
8

Well, if that is indeed the case, then you need to stay the course and change the watering hole that you are using to find men. Because you are definitely striking out on relationship-minded men if none of them are leaving you behind because of the reasons I described. You're also dodging a lot of bullets from the sound of it ("sexual compatibility" is just a BS way to get women into bed with you).
/r/RedPillWomen09/06/22 01:17 AM
11

Do you really not know how to hold a guy's attention through any means other than sleeping with them? This seems like a very unfortunate admission and is why I put in those suggestions about your "reformed self." I think the problem is that you're used to getting by on your SMV, and now that you've taken that off of the table, you're suffering from years of neglect of your RMV. This is driving men to realize that you don't have anything to offer other than sex. The solution is to raise your RMV …
/r/RedPillWomen09/06/22 12:41 AM
9

I have a friend who used eHarmony and a few of the other more involved ones and he had no problem finding a person with shared values. I think you would do a lot better signing up for a more involved, non "swipe" form of dating app if what you are looking for is actually a committed, long-term relationship. Bumble and Hinge aren't as bad as Tinder, but they don't have as much of a real commitment to the long-term (at least that is the perception). The other thing is that if you have a history of…
/r/RedPillWomen08/06/22 11:52 PM
3

How are you meeting these guys?
/r/RedPillWomen08/06/22 10:56 PM
3

what is the bare minimum you would accept in a woman to date and potentially marry? Well first of all, someone who doesn't give just the bare minimum to the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 10:07 PM
0

Never ask women for dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 04:00 AM
1

It's called equality via quota. It's literally anti-sexist for them to deny men at the door, because that makes it more equal inside. Big Think (tm)
/r/MensRights03/06/22 03:29 AM
1

Those women all look pretty happy.
/r/MensRights03/06/22 03:22 AM
1

But in regards for situations with car and house maintenance, Would you consider the amount of work comparable? IMO if you're trying that hard to compare, then you've lost the plot. Let men do culturally established manly things, and let women do culturally established feminine things. I wouldn't ask my wife to reshingle half of the roof, and she wouldn't ask me to cook up some complicated recipe. Sure, my sisters used to do roofing, and my brother is a good cook, but that doesn't make it less o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 03:31 AM
1

Well, I hear much hubbub about sharing household chores, but never a peep on sharing the car or house maintenance responsibilities. That seems kind of one-sided, don't you think? Ok but like most people don’t think like this. I don’t think through the guys I’ve slept with an classify themselves like this I never said people think explicitly like this. This is my deconstruction of how they are thinking when, for example, a woman obviously thinks she is "settling" for a lesser man. The blame for w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 12:43 AM
1

You hold men up to standards that you would never fulfill yourself, or trust us to tell you they correspond to your standards of us without accusing us of misogyny. Secondly, just because a socially desirable man lay with you once and is willing to do a one night stand with you again doesn't mean that you're at the same social level as him. You're not "settling" by going for an LTR with a guy with lower social standing. He's the best you could get for a committed relationship. So in a sense I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 10:42 PM
2

I mean, I agree with your statement too. Like 10% of the time that is the case, and those cases are usually far more surmountable than the cases where it's one or more persons being shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 10:25 PM
5

Just leave. Problem solved. This is an incredibly toxic viewpoint. Leaving doesn't solve anything. 90 percent of the time "incompatibility" just means that one or both of you are being toxic people. Generally what makes you a good person to be around for one person usually makes you a good person to be around for another. Fix your dang issues. Running away from your problems isn't a solution. It just makes things worse, and it makes you a worse person because you're looking at the door rather th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 08:46 PM
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We've been having this task force for the past 100 years. It's called Feminism. It has been having the exact opposite effect on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 11:14 PM
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if women ruled the world, the world would be peaceful and fair Every time you get that, just list the Democrat women who voted for war in Iraq.
/r/MensRights26/05/22 11:12 PM
1

Agree that women need to step up. But so do men. Everyone needs to step up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 10:46 PM
1

You're playing word games. I think you know what I mean. No one is "independent" in a society. Ok, now you're just playing dumb. You're conceding the point about independence, after using it as one of your central points about the positives of feminism. Is independence that important if it doesn't really exist? It sounds to me more like Feminism is pushing an aesthetic ("oh wouldn't it be nice if it were this way instead of that way") with no clear benefit in the net. Feminism is about giving wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 07:52 PM
1

I don't ever want my independence taken away You're not independent though. As soon as the (mostly male, mostly armed) cops leave, you're f*cked if you don't have someone who can protect you. You're dependent on the (mostly male) farmers raising your food, the (mostly male) truckers delivering that food to and from processing plants, (mostly male) workers doing dangerous jobs keeping your plumbing working, electricity working, house repaired etc etc etc. You don't have independence. You are high…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 05:05 PM
2

And when the war breaks out, you still get to skip the country while the men have to stay behind and fight (or spend a decade in prison). Sounds like a pretty sweet gig. But even more seriously, I'm not talking about things in terms of "more options equals better." I'm talking in terms of what makes people the happiest and gives the greatest long-term fulfillment vs what consistently makes people unhappy and feel extremely unfulfilled at the end of their lives. It's a simple matter of fact that …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/22 03:03 AM
1

polyamory is still pretty niche Polyamory is not niche. I was speaking in terms of having multiple sexual partners period, even if they are serial (ie, not overlapping, in temporary monogamous relationships). I can personally attest to influencing a number of women to give more men a shot than they ever would have before we met. You're presupposing that the reasons women wouldn't give it up for me were completely irrational and had no other negatives attached to it. IMO you are carrying a bucket…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 11:52 PM
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I honestly don't buy the "exploited 3rd world worker" thing. Upon closer inspection, usually these people are working at these places because it's a vast improvement over the places that they left, and they serve as a stepping stone to greater wealth for everyone in the area where these sweatshops existed. It's the exact same progression that happened in the Western world 200 years ago, but much faster than my great-great grandparents went through. Read up on what the British coal miners used to…
/r/MensRights24/05/22 07:17 PM
1

The guy also pushes for lowered birthrates as if that's a good thing. You might want to take a careful look at what's in your treatment.
/r/MensRights24/05/22 07:03 PM
5

Ahh the old "beat my enemies by granting them every quarter while they take advantage of my every concession" approach. Sure to end well.
/r/MensRights24/05/22 06:55 PM
6

Let's see... Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffet, etc. They're really pushing an inspiring future.
/r/MensRights24/05/22 06:54 PM
3

So... in your world, capitalism takes seed money and no hard work, managerial skills, technical skills, or anything like that? Just seed money.
/r/MensRights24/05/22 06:52 PM
4

Condemning hypocrites never matters if the people you are condemning don't care about consistency. The best thing to do sometimes is to hold up a giant mirror to show them what happens when the shoe goes on the other foot. Then we can talk and compromise.
/r/MensRights24/05/22 06:48 PM
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A lot of the takes on this incident are positioned no differently to the "belive all women" stance just with genders switched. Why should men play fair if women don't play fair?
/r/MensRights24/05/22 06:20 PM
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let's focus on the exploited men in that emerald mine in South Africa that musks wealth originated from Umm... that's not where he got his wealth.
/r/MensRights24/05/22 06:19 PM
4

He's better than most other Billionaires.
/r/MensRights24/05/22 06:18 PM
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Wait, so your theory is that Musk got wind of the story braking, so he started a plot to buy Twitter with 44 billion dollars and came out openly as a Republican to head it off? Definitely seems more plausible than someone who didn't like where his politics were going had this story on the back burner and decided to now go public with it. That type of story shelving never happens.
/r/MensRights24/05/22 06:16 PM
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Men aren't "evolutionarily predisposed" to try and "spread their seed" everywhere. That's just shitty dudes trying to say "Darwin made me be a shitty father." While the negative consequences of Feminism are very real, it's not women who are benefiting from it or women who are primarily responsible for it. It's just as much the responsibility of good institutions for allowing themselves to be run over by such an ideology as it was women who "benefit" from the extra responsibility thrust into thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 06:05 PM
1

You don't see how it could've been anything other than Capitalism? Well, there are other explanations that I think fit the history much better. One I've been exploring lately has to do with the rise of modern secularist rationalism (as opposed to traditional reasoning around a religious framework).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 05:52 PM
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Is it possible that you can become so successful and attractive that you limit your own dating pool ? No. Your problem is that you have standards that are above your experience with women. You literally have exactly the same problem as *nc*ls who won't lower themselves to paying a hooker for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 11:16 PM
1

Right. My point is that capitalism has nothing to do with it. Capitalism didn't deconstruct the culture. Something else did.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 11:12 PM
1

I can just as easily rewrite your sentence as: "if you are aware of the impacts of hookup culture and committed to holding your own values, that's a completely different..." I guess I'm not sure where the connection to Capitalism comes in. It seems completely superfluous, since it's clear that cultures exist which are very free market/capitalistic but still traditional with regards to hookup culture. Those concepts seem separable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 10:50 PM
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Why would guys who are getting free sex from women who put out want to stop? You're assuming that Chad the Schlong Wipper cares about what happens to the dating prospects of Religious Rob or Geeky Garret who can't get relationships because every girl assumes they're just going to schlong whip their way through a hookup. Guys aren't a monolith. Chad's gonna keep doing what works and has zero incentive to stop picking up chicks. Also, from your description of yourself, you are participating in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 10:16 PM
1

If that were necessarily the case as you say, then every subculture that is affected by capitalism would also have those same cultural characteristics of hookup culture. Would you agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 10:11 PM
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Ok... let's see if I can unpack this well. You answered my expose on "modern culture" 's dating scene being that of deconstructing relationships down to hookup culture as "the word you're looking for is 'capitalism.'" I'm assuming that meant you are ascribing modern hookup culture as somehow inherently capitalist, correct? Or a result of capitalism?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 10:03 PM
1

Ahh. You sounded like one in your comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 09:59 PM
1

Is that what Scripture says? "All have sinned" depends on the individual person?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:37 PM
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You're missing the point. If our culture is capitalism, does that mean those counter-cultures I mentioned are anti-capitalist for being different?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:35 PM
1

Wait, do you ascribe to the Romantic theory that people are basically good, but get corrupted by social forces? Because that viewpoint is incredibly unbiblical.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:29 PM
1

I would agree. My evidence for that is that she is dating a guy who doesn't share her values on chastity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:28 PM
1

I'm quite impressed if what you say is true, but you are extremely naive if you think that you are typical in any way if you are in fact a virgin at 37.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:25 PM
0

Yeah, fairy tales like men spreading their seed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:22 PM
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The woman is a giant hypocrite if she's doing this with a guy who obviously has no qualms about sexual activity before marriage. She's clearly settling for this guy, at least in a religious sense. If you're going to do this, do it with someone who shares your values. She doesn't actually have that value of chastity in her radar. She's just hoping for some kind of "reward for being good" in this relationship, which isn't the spirit of the principle at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:21 PM
2

Capitalism didn't deconstruct our culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 05:56 PM
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where do i find relationship-minded men? Well here's the funny part about modern culture: You don't! Seriously, modern culture has deconstructed every relationship institution down to the barest essentials, which is why the default is "ooga booga sexy feels go have sex (and then leave)" It's male-female relationships almost maximally deconstructed down to the physical action. We've distilled marriage down to something that's just about worthless (what does a commitment mean when you can just exi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 06:33 PM
2

I mean, people are people. It takes a naive level of introspection to believe that oneself is incapable of evil unlike all of the other people out there. An honest self-appraisal revealed all I needed to know about others. There are no angels, there are no devils, there are just people running around with very similar brains as mine. I grew up with quite a low opinion of myself (surrounded by women who think like you do now) and thought that women were different somehow. Better at the right thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 12:09 AM
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I had to think long and hard, then I remembered one. #MeToo. Actually I don't care, because I don't let shit like that bother me (she was my HR person at an internship).
/r/MensRights20/05/22 11:36 PM
2

It's probably more like "we were having a spicy conversation while drunk and he did it as part of an escalating series of teasing." I can easily see how someone would characterize that experience afterwards as "he just whipped it out."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 11:25 PM
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There's got to be a ton of context missing here and it wasn't just "hello ladies, here's my dick". Pretty sure the same can be said of the Elon story.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 11:21 PM
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What's the data on the percentage of men who engage in catcalling? I'd imagine that a dude who is doing it can probably hit 100 different women in a month. In other words, 99% of the men they are going to be catcalling probably never have done it in their life.
/r/MensRights14/05/22 06:31 PM
3

That is a weird legal standard. I'm pretty sure it's impossible to enforce.
/r/MensRights14/05/22 06:29 PM
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You don't have to be a killjoy about waiting on sex. Use the time to find other ways to keep each other's interest in each other. Think about eating food. Sure, you can immediately swallow the whole portion. But that's not the point. You can enjoy the smells from the kitchen as it gets prepared, the prepping of the table, the arrangement of the room, the presentation of the dish, the technique of the utensils, the anticipation of the bite, the texture of the food, the tastes of the juices, the r…
/r/RedPillWomen14/05/22 06:11 PM
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I've never heard guys complain about this. I've heard guys complain about the fact that every woman wants to be an insta model, and that they basically do nothing and get treated 500x better than they do despite being shallowly vapid and completely self-absorbed, etc. Never that they tried to get random insta models to love them and failed. The complaints are much deeper than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 05:56 PM
1

Ice cream doesn't give you STDs or kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 12:18 AM
1

I'm pretty sure the guy is copy/pasting at this point. He's arguing that Marxist ideologies are good, and just ignoring the fact that by his own admission he has no empirical data (all the other attempts at Communism "aren't real Communism," - in fact he doubled down with the whole "communism on a global scale"). You can attempt to reason away all of the points he's presenting, and you might get through to him. Though what argument ultimately does isn't going to have anything to do with reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 12:15 AM
1

The point that I was making was that it would be some random cultural example, not that everyone worships Kim K.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 12:08 AM
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There are different schools of thought on this topic specifically, and certainly the traditional view of waiting on sex till a commitment/marriage falls within the Overton Window here. But there is a broader window of acceptability expressed here that is perhaps more controversial, but it is all encapsulated in the idea that you should be realistic about what you are getting. However, another problem with the idea of "withholding" sex is that it implies you view it as a transaction from you to t…
/r/RedPillWomen12/05/22 04:47 PM
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You're missing the sexless men's agency in this. Most men who cannot get laid can't because they are not willing to stoop as low as it would take for them to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 04:29 PM
2

This would be believable if marriage carried any cost for the woman and wasn't just a panacea of positives no matter what she decided.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:56 PM
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Therapy is as good as it’s therapist There are a lot of very shit therapists out there. I've seen them systematically destroy perfectly average marriages over some woman's insane internal hamsterwheeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:54 PM
1

Women define polite as "not doing it."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:51 PM
5

No such thing as a sexless man in sales. That just means you fire all of the sexless men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:49 PM
1

Lol. It does but someone eventually says yes. No they don't. That's not how this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:48 PM
-1

Ehh, probably not actually. The world is more chaotic than that. It would depend on whether Kim Kardashian said it's ok or not, then the women would be ok with it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:48 PM
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The difference is that women from traditional cultures, while they do like the first world country and the wealth that comes with it, also see it as a package deal and are probably less likely to divorce than a native westerner.
/r/MensRights12/05/22 03:44 PM
0

The human race dies out.
/r/MensRights12/05/22 03:42 PM
1

And you sound like those dumb edgelords who cuss online because they weren't allowed to as kids and thinks that makes them more mature or something. It's just so tiresome and pointless. Having no standards isn't interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:34 PM
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All I mean is that you don't call a hot nice guy "nice," you call him "hot." Same with a not nice hot guy, he's still "hot." Only a nice ugly guy is "nice."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 05:08 AM
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Yeah that's a shifted goalpost. institutionalized monogamy, which... is socially harmful and therefore ought to be abolished post-haste. That doesn't even follow. Just because something is harmful doesn't mean that whatever you replace it with won't be even more harmful. Also "occurs within a society that has institutionalized monogamy" isn't an argument any more than "every time we have tried Communism it has resulted in murderous regimes." children would instead be raised communally and have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:42 AM
5

I don't think anyone should use crass degenerate language. I'm just saying it's not likely that someone who is very trad would use that language.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:00 AM
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Trad people generally aren't potty mouths. It's degenerate language.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 01:35 AM
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I'd believe you were trad if you wouldn't be using the phrase "please your dick."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 12:46 AM
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Do you not consider sexual pleasure to be a significant upside? Do you still feel the pleasure from a sexual encounter after 1 year? 6 months? A week? Even if you argue that you live on the high for several days, the point is that the pleasure doesn't last and it inevitably ends. That's why I mean by it having no upsides in the long-term. That leaves only downsides, like STDs, unwanted pregnancies, emotional connections being ripped, etc etc. Then there are the good things you miss out on, as th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 12:36 AM
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we like casual sex and that doesn't make us evil Casual sex is evil though. In the long term it has basically zero upsides and only potential downsides for all involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 10:17 PM
1

Wait, that's what demisexuality is? IMO that's the "normal" form of attraction, and the other form is due to the large-scale exploitations of weaknesses of male emotions by a post-sexual revolution society. And those weaknesses always existed, so it always skewed that direction. But the modern way just takes it to a whole new level. So I guess I'm disagreeing with your solution. The solution isn't to just accept it. The solution is to stop emotionally manipulating men into being... abnormal / no…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 10:16 PM
1

Is this guy a virgin himself? Or is he pretty high-n count? You haven't given many details about him.
/r/RedPillWomen11/05/22 10:03 PM
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someone who is both hot and nice They're just hot. If they're hot and not nice, then they're also hot but you hide the issues you're having. You're only "nice" if you're not hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 09:58 PM
1

I honestly thought it was about fighting for men’s rights. That's ostensibly all feminism is about, too. People have blind spots, and sometimes you just need to counter aggression with counter-moves.
/r/MensRights11/05/22 09:45 PM
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I meant that as a prescriptive term. As in, humans both create and participate in society as we interact with each other. Of course it results in friction when you don't agree with the people you interact with (in that area), but IMO this issue is worth a little friction. There are also enough women with similar desires to not partake as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 09:44 PM
1

Seriously. As if any half-competent child trafficking ring doesn't have well-dressed women do their deeds.
/r/MensRights11/05/22 04:44 AM
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At the same time, if multiple exs are ganging up to ruin your life, thats the weirdest thing ive ever heard lol. This comes from elsewhere in OP's comments: They weren't random, the group of women are the friends of my ex. As for the timing of the accusation, I was gonna start my own organisation and it was gonna compete with them. There were disagreements and fights with the heads and I was going to leave.
/r/MensRights11/05/22 04:37 AM
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She's probably going to claim to be harassed because she's getting negative comments now lol
/r/MensRights11/05/22 04:36 AM
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You sound like the type of woman who would know exactly why a group of women would target a random man and try to ruin his life and blame him the entire time for no reason.
/r/MensRights11/05/22 04:34 AM
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I was gonna start my own organisation and it was gonna compete with them. There were disagreements and fights with the heads and I was going to leave. Oh wow. Now you have motive. Seriously, you should take this to a lawyer.
/r/MensRights11/05/22 04:33 AM
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It sounds like you just have a bunch of female friends that you talk to regularly. Unless there's more going on than you're letting on (honestly I'm like 50-50 with my suspicions here), it sounds like you're over-romanticizing interactions with women. Viewing women as unattainable princesses isn't healthy either. Although I think you're still selling yourself short. You still picture yourself as an outsider to them, as not really capable of having an impact on their lives. So I'm going to give y…
/r/RPChristians11/05/22 04:13 AM
2

Huh, so I guess that means my mom's friend was a child bride. Weird.
/r/RPChristians11/05/22 02:43 AM
2

Some states have it illegal you go out with someone under 18yo There are no laws against "going out" with someone, unless that term means something I wasn't aware that it meant.
/r/RPChristians11/05/22 02:36 AM
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society shaming women for being sexual is pretty common where I’m from If only it were more that way here. It's not exactly a panacea when all standards go out the window just FYI. Some people here are just like the “feminazis” they’re criticizing all the time That's... the whole point of MRA.
/r/MensRights11/05/22 02:34 AM
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It's not the society I live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 02:23 AM
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I think the core point OP is making is that that is the only response that a guy gets when he doesn't want the baby that he participated in creating. And no one bats an eye.
/r/MensRights10/05/22 02:39 AM
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I usually tell people off if they make fun of me for being a virgin. It's really really easy to belittle someone who gets personal validation out of having FOMO sex with someone. It's really quite pathetic if you think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 02:35 AM
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0 hours. Learn empathy and you're good. Sex isn't hard, people. There has literally never in all of human history been a generation where people didn't figure it out. Also don't have FOMO sex. That's really really pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 02:25 AM
1

While that could be a factor, there are far larger factors at play here. I would wager that the larger assertions of correlated gender ratios are merely coincidence in the grand scheme of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 02:23 AM
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Depends on what you mean by "enough," I guess. If you are a woman, I'm sure you would come to the conclusion that I don't socialize enough. Probably have a mild conversation a few times a week at work (a few deeper conversations occasionally), then in the weekends I am interacting a lot with church related things. I'm extremely gun-shy about dating, though. I never feel like I know a woman well enough to ask her out, and the modern dating scene just murders everything in the womb. I've had two g…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 02:15 AM
2

Independent IT Consultant I work with mostly men, but some of my clients have lots of women on staff whose computers I have to maintain. My office is also at a cafe which hires almost exclusively women. Additionally I attend and am very active at my local church (which does, in fact, contain women).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 01:35 AM
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telling them that their existence is lesser or secondary to the 'potential' life growing inside of them. You don't lose your existence when you have a child. That is simply not at the same level. Do you know what does lose their existence if the abortion choice is made? i do not acknowledge it as on the same level as an actual breathing functioning person. I don't even think you have to make this assertion to respect its right to life. The question is, are they at such a low level as to their li…
/r/MensRights10/05/22 01:21 AM
1

That's a complex ethical situation. I know there are increased chances of complications with young ages in that situation. In that case, I think it makes sense to weigh the ethical choices in full view and honestly, which is weighing the life that was created against the risk to the life of the person pregnant. But again, having an abortion will not fix any trauma for the young girl, nor will it supply retribution for the "father." It's a shitty situation all around with no easy fix-all. So if i…
/r/MensRights09/05/22 06:44 PM
1

the absurdity that forcing someone to pick cotton is enslavement but forcing them to carry a baby and give birth is somehow not This is... wow. Ok, did the people we freed from slavery have a previous action that they could have taken that would have prevented them from having to pick cotton? Specifically, a voluntary and optional action that nobody forced them to do.
/r/MensRights09/05/22 06:30 PM
1

The state has no business punishing it withy enslavement. Giving birth isn't enslavement or a punishment. Full stop. There's no crime involved. If it weren’t for your force, they wouldn’t be giving birth. Ummm... pretty sure something happened before "my force" that was much more fundamental to the issue at hand if you require a complex medical procedure of questionable ethics to stop the birthing process.
/r/MensRights07/05/22 04:54 AM
1

The amount of sex that people are having is also at an all-time low and is much more closely correlated with those numbers. Also comparing 1994 to 2019 isn't all that interesting because it's not like you're looking at a difference in policy spanning the years. What's striking with the rise of abortion and contraceptives around the time of "The Pill" (which has a 9% failure rate) is how that the single motherhood rate skyrocketed after that. It points to using something with a 10% failure rate a…
/r/MensRights07/05/22 04:21 AM
1

the single motherhood rate and the unwanted pregnancy rate have only gone up since those things have been commonplace. That's why. Also in this context I mean "more sex" as in "sex with more people." There's evidence that married people actually have more sex in an absolute sense, though obviously with much fewer partners.
/r/MensRights07/05/22 04:01 AM
1

There would be no exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, which can be deadly for pregnant people if left untreated, Insider previously reported. Again, definitions matter. If the life of the mother is at risk, most pro-life people wouldn't even consider that to be an abortion, so it wouldn't make sense to make it an exception for something that isn't even an abortion in the first place. The rape/incest argument is lost on me. If you believe the fetus is a life and deserving of at least some conside…
/r/MensRights07/05/22 03:53 AM
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Not to mention other instances of non-viable pregnancies like ectopic. That's pretty misleading. Most pro-life people don't consider operations to remove non-viable fetuses as abortions unless there is a way to save it. Abortion is strictly the termination of an otherwise viable pregnancy. The government you live in shouldn't be able to force you to have a child. Even if abortion is banned, the government isn't forcing you to have a child unless they're... actually forcibly impregnating you.
/r/MensRights07/05/22 03:23 AM
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I'm decently educated (4 year engineering degree from a top tier school). Educated women won't take a second look at me because they're too busy dismantling some system of oppression or other.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 03:05 AM
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consent is the primary right that shall not be trumped. Consent is actually a pretty shitty standard. We do all kinds of things to children without their consent. We send them to school, we potty train them, we clothe them, we take them places, we give them shots, etc etc ad nauseum usually without the consent of the child. And we all know why. Even for adults, consent isn't enough for a legal doctrine. You can consent to the action but not consent to the consequences. You can't consent to certa…
/r/MensRights07/05/22 02:54 AM
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Bring in trusted intermediaries. Hopefully you belong to a church that shares your faith, and there are elders there that can talk with him so you're not doing it alone.
/r/RedPillWomen07/05/22 02:41 AM
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1 Corinthians 6:1-10 1 When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints? 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! 4 So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? 5 I say this to yo…
/r/RPChristians07/05/22 02:35 AM
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I should point out that the rise in availability of abortions hasn't actually reduced the single motherhood rate, and the increased availability of conception hasn't reduced the unwanted pregnancy rate. Both have skyrocketed since 1970. You'd think that the explicit "solution" to both of those problems existing and being commonly available would actually cause them to go down.
/r/MensRights06/05/22 11:36 PM
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What state do you live in, OP?
/r/MensRights06/05/22 11:34 PM
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Men have the options not to have sex, wear a condom, get a vasectomy Women have the options to not have sex, put in an IUD, get their "tubes tied"... If men who don’t want to be fathers are proposing ‘financial abortions’ then who is picking up the bill for supporting these unwanted children? I keep hearing that abortion and contraception are there in case the children are unwanted. And yet, the single motherhood rate and the unwanted pregnancy rate have only gone up since those things have been…
/r/MensRights06/05/22 08:37 PM
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But saying that pregnancy and childbirth is easy or has less of an impact that 18 years of paying child support is rather disingenuous. How is it disingenuous? Sure it's hard to compare 9 months of compressed risk to 18 years of it more spread out, but it's not immediately obvious that one is higher than the other. But, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not aware of any men who have died or become seriously injured as a result of becoming a father when they didn't want to be? Why do you think that me…
/r/MensRights06/05/22 08:34 PM
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Your statistical analysis are so off-base and full of "I think it ought to be this way" that I can't believe anything coming out of your mouth. The fact of the matter is that men and women are pro/anti abortion in pretty much equal measure, and that there are plenty of anti-abortion people who are younger.
/r/MensRights06/05/22 08:29 PM
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The ironic thing is that they granted the right to an abortion over "right to privacy" of a woman's sex life, yet apparently the father doesn't get that right to privacy over his sex life.
/r/MensRights06/05/22 08:25 PM
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Yes, in the long term. Of course. But that also means that there will be days and weeks and even months where the net balance is negative. You put in worth and haven't got a return yet. If I'm constantly looking for VALUE, it's going to be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 07:56 PM
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I was clearly talking about carrying a baby to term AFTER HAVING BEEN RAPED OR AN INCEST VICTIM. So was I. I'm not sure how aborting the baby makes the rape/incest trauma go away, or help it at all. You don't punish the child for the sins of the father, and no amount of baby blood is going to wash away the trauma of an assault. You're just adding trauma on top of trauma. If it wouldn't be a life, then fine you would be right. But we don't sacrifice lives to fix trauma. We may sacrifice lives to …
/r/MensRights06/05/22 07:54 PM
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I'm not so toxic that I demand the balance to always be in my favor, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 07:49 PM
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"Should" and "ask her to" are very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 07:48 PM
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No, actually... it's not. The point of a relationship is to work together to bring more value to the world than you both could separately. If you focus on what you get out of it, then you are just setting yourself up for a cycle of destruction as soon as things get a little tough and you feel like you're doing more work than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 07:46 PM
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I mean, it sounds like a mix of reading and secondhand descriptions. FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out) is a real phenomenon that drives a lot of behaviors in people based on a perception of missing out, when in fact nobody actually has this imagined life that you're missing out on. I think a lot of both men and women end up having FOMO relationships and FOMO sex rather than actually falling for the person and doing what's best for that relationship.
/r/RedPillWomen06/05/22 07:44 PM
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Only worry about shit you can actually control We're all free to plan things and try to convince others to join us. That's within our control. I feel like this has been taken to an extreme that it was never meant to, in that older people in a position to help out their younger counterparts does nothing to help out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 08:20 PM
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Hobbies are better than events specifically for dating. Except people go to hobbies for the hobby, not for the dating prospects. We tried this with gyms, and look how well that went.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 08:17 PM
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I really am against an enjoy the decline approach, since i am a young guy still and i would like to not live an extra 80 years in this whole shitshow. FINALLY geez. That's the one thing that keeps me out of RP. Just no, sorry. And all common solutions are 100% in detriment of one side or the other, to the point where it seems like men and women are basically enemies which is nuts if you think about it. What needs to happen is we need to have an alignment of values, and give up the lower-valued o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 08:16 PM
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What came naturally to other women it seems didn’t come naturally to me I'm curious, how exactly did you know that these things came naturally with other women? Based on reading, based on secondhand descriptions, or based on firsthand experience?
/r/RedPillWomen05/05/22 08:08 PM
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I think you hit the hammer on the head here, especially when it comes to people like incels. They all want to be loved by a woman, and it grates at them emotionally, but if you really dig deep you'll find that actually they don't feel that their satisfied feelings would be worth it (ie, they doubt that they would actually be satisfied, they figure it's going to come with huge negatives, or it's just too much work and not enough payoff). Mixed in with that usually is a negative view of others gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 07:57 PM
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Can't wait to tell a women that she needs to bring value to my life or she isn't worth my time of day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 07:41 PM
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Carrying a baby to full term is nothing like breaking your back. You're doing the very thing you accuse me of. Speaking of broken backs, if there existed a treatment for a broken back that just required the life of a healthy 2yo, would you be comfortable with people taking advantage of that?
/r/MensRights05/05/22 07:39 PM
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Can people please upvote this AutoMod so it's not buried under everything? Thanks. One phenomenon u/Hoosker-Doos forgot to mention is that of women fighting over a guy who's having sex with them both. I see stories like this all the time where a guy has a girlfriend and a side chick and those women will, instead of both dumping him, proceed to fight with each other for taking their man. It's like the man is only made more valuable by the presence of the other girl. I don't think I've heard of me…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 04:28 PM
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Maybe we should have only the volunteers vote on wars then.
/r/MensRights04/05/22 04:21 PM
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Is it not inconvenient in those cases you mention?
/r/MensRights04/05/22 04:19 PM
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How the hell does it make sense that a 40yo single dad of two cannot leave but a completely healthy 20yo childless woman can? "Equal rights, equal fights" is a phrase of absurdity, not an actual suggestion. Anytime a woman tries to claim that only men are responsible for most wars, I list the names of the female democratic congresswomen who all voted in favor of the Iraq war, and the fact that more women than men vote for all of these politicians.
/r/MensRights04/05/22 04:10 PM
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These are the statistics we have to work with. That's not how data or statistics work. If you have no good data, you can't make up for that by taking wild guesses or getting bad data. You're not the only person I see making these types of mistakes. I think it's called the measurement fallacy (or measurement bias), which is the idea that because we can measure something means that it must be a more important factor than the one we can't measure. Related is the idea that if we throw enough bad mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 02:56 PM
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Umm... it's not romantic of it doesn't include sex at the end?
/r/MensRights29/04/22 10:46 PM
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This reminds me of the epidemic of accusations that happened in the 1980's: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-modern-witch-hunt/2015/07/31/057effd8-2f1a-11e5-8353-1215475949f4_story.html I understand that the roles are flipped in your story, and there are now much more stringent protocols for questioning kids in a legal setting, but the fact remains that there is a strong tendency of authority figures to ask children very leading questions and, in some cases, actually implant memories of…
/r/MensRights28/04/22 09:17 PM
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OC (not you) is talking garbage. 90+% of women like it when men are as OP describes, and you probably don't want to deal with the remaining 10%. It's not just attractive women that like good leadership. This whole "everything is relative to the situation" mantra is only true if you are a 10 iq rube who doesn't know how to translate knowledge. We shouldn't have to reinvent attraction with every single person we meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 09:12 PM
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The basic question that separates her worldview and your worldview is the existence of a reality outside of the inner self. She has placed nearly all parts of reality within the inner being, while you (and normal people) have a broader set of "external" things that define the self. Being fat is "external" in your view, and you saying it is just a description of the external reality. But to her, being fat is an internal construct, so you contradicting her inner feeling is actually you denying her…
/r/MensRights28/04/22 08:56 PM
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That's called Christian science. Christianity literally invented the scientific method.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 05:53 PM
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Dude men are put into prison at rates 20x higher than women, are more often victims of violent crime, dominate virtually all of the most dangerous jobs, are required to sacrifice their life in the event of a war (see gendered Ukraine policy) Life sucks for everyone in different ways. But we make do with the best we have.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 05:51 PM
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women report Ahh...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 05:48 PM
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Unfortunately for you, before contraception, selfish people were forced to have children - children the often didn't want and even hated or loathed. I do wonder how much more abuse children would have received in the past being that it was quite easy for someone who hates children, to have children. I don't get how that hypothetical is unfortunate for me or anyone for that matter other than the hypothetical hated/loathed children. I also don't think that narrative of "children are loved much mor…
/r/MensRights27/04/22 04:32 AM
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Men's Rights are about more than defending the system of sexual dynamics that was popularized in the late 1960s. It's about defending the rights of men from those whose sole life purpose seems to be the destruction of male morale. Even if I was involuntarily celibate, the concept still applies.
/r/MensRights27/04/22 04:24 AM
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Bingo.
/r/MensRights27/04/22 04:20 AM
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It's not issue number one. There are far more important men's issues.
/r/MensRights27/04/22 01:41 AM
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Have you had sex? Do you have children? No and no. I don't intend to do the former until I am ready for the latter. You know, how it worked for all of human history up until like 1960 (for all but the super privileged or lowlifes). And I don't think anything has really changed in human nature since 1960 and the pill. Being "responsible" apparently means having 30x more sex with a 3% likelihood of the "responsible measures" failing. But in the real world, contraception means people have more sex,…
/r/MensRights26/04/22 11:38 PM
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I think it's also good to throw in "I was baking a bunch and I made way too much and they turned out so well." It makes it less obligatory. Just make double batches of something you were going to make for your family anyways.
/r/RedPillWomen26/04/22 07:11 PM
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No not sketchy. I one time passed out my mother's cookies while we were stuck at a standstill on an interstate during a blizzard. Everyone still likes that.
/r/RedPillWomen26/04/22 07:09 PM
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How is trying to make sure that no responsibility comes from an act that naturally creates a large responsibility somehow "responsible?" It's a bass ackward world.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 05:30 PM
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I mean, I think it's all 100% BS. Birth control is a sign that you're just having sex without wanting the responsibility.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 03:37 PM
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My mother used to do things like bake cookies or other baked goods and deliver them to the neighbors. Make sure it's something universally liked.
/r/RedPillWomen26/04/22 03:18 PM
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Self-image that comes from internal feelings and emotion instead of a purpose that is set from an external perspective will always result in a neurotic personality, which is a lot of negative emotion. This is bad for both men and women.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 08:45 PM
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This stuff is hard, so don't feel bad. You figured it out, so move on. Take the extra time you spent in that state of not knowing as a lesson that much more well-learned. I certainly can identify with feeling a certain way, and feeling like it's not ok to feel that certain way (and especially not to express it). Especially when the issue is asking for more reassurance as a male. You shouldn't assume that people always know why they feel the way that they do, even if they later figure it out and …
/r/RedPillWomen25/04/22 04:30 PM
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I think this is a valid point. "You're just being irrational" is never a valid argument in the first place, though. Nobody is completely rational, and every "real-world" application or rationality necessarily operates only on a subset of the available information, which makes it irrational to rely on rationality for most of these decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 04:20 PM
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they want anal sex Who cares about degenerate desires? The OP was about romantic relationships, and I was specifically talking about traditional points of view. I believe anal is generally looked down upon by traditional thought. Men here, including yourself, have not mentioned responsibility as something attractive or desirable in a woman. Plus, loads of men here claim responsibility is “masculine”, so it’s probably undesirable. Where did I say that men desired responsibility in females? I was …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 01:35 AM
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Nope, Amish-Mennonite. Very similar belief system on this subject, however.
/r/RedPillWomen23/04/22 12:18 AM
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Where did I say I thought men wanted "giga-anal throat-fuck degrading porn sex" or "submissive fuckdolls" who "submit to your whims" or anything like that? It's like you don't even have a concept of what responsibility means at all. It has nothing to do with whims, beating/raping defiant people, getting worshipped for born status, getting respect even if you are an incompetent loser, or anything like those things. That depravity all came out of your mind, not mine. It's about taking the responsi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 09:22 PM
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undefined desires The reason these desires are undefined is because deep down they are things that have been beaten to death and completely poisoned to the point of unrecognizability by 50+ years of modern feminism and cultural deconstruction. There's a reason traditional societies put men in the position they were with responsibility and authority. It was aligned with men's innate desire for meaning and respect. Nowadays I can't even bring that up without being accused of some kind of "backward…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 06:18 PM
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Guys are forgiving about this type of thing if you can demonstrate genuine change for the better (especially high quality guys). Lying about it only proves that you have not changed for the better, and that you have not processed your past in a good way. Whether or not they find out the specifics, quality men will be affected by a choice to be untruthful.
/r/RedPillWomen22/04/22 05:50 PM
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Contraception and abortion exist to allow people to have more sex, not to lower the unintended pregnancy rate. Contraception prevents pregnancy 97% of the time when done completely properly, so as a result people will have 30x more sex because they are driven by risk, not sexual saturation. People are prevented from having sex by the risk of having children, which means that as the risk lowers, they will have more sex. As far as I can tell, there is no "saturation" point where people have more a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 05:01 PM
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I think the problem with this question is the core assumption that you can pick and choose random elements from a larger culture and they will add together into a full and fulfilling life. The reality is that the "just build bonds with your male friends, pay for sex/hookup when you can, and create the lifestyle you want" dream is completely unfulfilling when you put it all together. There's no thread connecting it together. However, having a relationship with someone does have a strong thread th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 10:55 PM
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If the 80/20 rule was magically reversed would men ever be encouraged to settle? Yes. Honestly if it was 50/50 men would be encouraged to settle. Heck men are encouraged to settle now the way it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 10:35 PM
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Yes, it was a difficult compromise within our family. If you're implying that it wasn't a compromise, I'm not sure exactly what you think "compromise" means. It doesn't mean "capitulate." It means we found a way to make things work without completely giving up our values, but giving up other things.
/r/RedPillWomen21/04/22 02:47 AM
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If I'm not mistaken, there are roughly 4 men for every woman on OLD apps. This is actually sufficient to explain the 1-4% match rates average men get, because abundance begets abundance mentality, which begets more abundance. With an 80-20 imbalance, you would expect guys to get roughly 20% match rates and women to get 80% match rates if everything was random. In reality, the 20% match rate in men causes them to swipe more often than random, while the 80% match rate causes women to swipe less of…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 01:02 AM
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At the end of the day it’s like I choose what I want for myself, you choose what you want for yourself, and we both choose whether we’re people we’d like to associate with (and to what extent) based on our choices. I get the Libertarian dream, but at the end of the day it's never that simple. We can't just solve our differences by running away and finding people with fewer differences to associate with. We have entanglements with people with differences, and we have to compromise on very real is…
/r/RedPillWomen21/04/22 12:21 AM
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I came here to defend against those saying that 80% are losers, but come on you can't be serious about 1%. That means in a room of 100 random men from all walks of life, you would only find one loser in the bunch? I do like the positivity though. That's attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 05:43 PM
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I would never push it on others. I hear this phrase a lot when it comes to traditional values, but I'm not sure I agree with it as a sentiment anymore. Given all we see with modern Feminism and the Alphabet Acceptance brigade, it would seem that it's not "pushing it on others" to employ similar tactics that they have used while pushing traditional perspectives out of the mainstream. I don't think that traditionalism is that specific. In reality, it's very broad and applies to a large majority of…
/r/RedPillWomen20/04/22 05:40 PM
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The reason I don't think these stories have anything to do with reality is you put in a bunch of implicit assumptions. First of all, you're assuming that "what a person needs to get off" never changes, which is a laughable assumption to anyone who has been around for any length of time. Secondly, you're assuming that "what a person needs to get off" has nothing to do with helping the other person get off. Honestly if that's the case, that's probably a much deeper emotional issue, and it probably…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 05:12 PM
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yet delaying my education means it may be that much harder to break into the field when I'm older. I've seen people repeat this, but is it actually true? Do colleges actually prioritize young people over older ones for programs like this? Another thing to think about is the "true" cost of college. People often forget that you pay for college almost 3 times over. 1x tuition, 1x lost wages, and 1x lost experience / lost wage growth. These all come out to be roughly the same amount on average ($25k…
/r/RedPillWomen18/04/22 06:50 PM
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If the father(s) are still living, HELL NO. Either the man is a deadbeat loser, meaning she is the type to get pregnant by deadbeat losers, or the man is active in their lives, meaning I'm getting cucked as a dad and a co-parent. If she's a Widow, fine. I'd consider it. There's a certain nobility when it comes to that specific situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 04:12 PM
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Everyone would be equivalently miserable. The second level Red Pill is to recognize that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. If you make women miserable, men are going to be miserable too. If you make men miserable, women are going to be miserable too. The tale is as old as time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 04:02 PM
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It's a saying that means you do meaningless stuff just because someone had a shallow urge to make you do something.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 06:15 PM
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What I don't understand are people who plan for it, who knowingly decided to live like that. Knowing about the insane amount of risk and dependency that comes with (not to mention proven toll on mental health), why would you choose this for yourself? Coming from a culture in the US where this is almost universally practiced, it is a lifestyle choice. The parent isn't just staying at home hovering over the child. There's a lot more that goes with that lifestyle. Like it's not just an "oops, I'm n…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 05:44 PM
1

"Dancing to someone else's flute" is that the term you're having trouble with?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 05:09 PM
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No. I personally find tattoos completely abhorrent and gut-wrenching. (Also, it's hate speech if you try to get me to not be true to my internal feelings of disgust on the subject) Like, why would you view your body as a canvas or an accessory like that? I dislike makeup for the same reasons, but at least that can come off and can stop doing damage if they quit wearing it young enough. Same thing with piercings. Tattoos are just on another level. As soon as I see a tattoo, I lose interest sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 01:24 AM
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It's the idea of dancing to someone else's flute to impress them that they find disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 01:08 AM
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Most dating problems have nothing to do with stuff like this. They have everything to do with a lack of desire, or a feeling of disgust at doing stuff like this just to impress someone. Behind every emotionally frustrated inc*l or feminist cat lady is a person who ultimately decided that the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 06:29 PM
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If that helps you sleep at night, who am I to keep you awake with warnings of how we should be better to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 05:19 AM
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but you are jumping to conclusions. Everytime culture changed there were luddite esque people who hated the change. Not every change is equal. Also not every change for "progress" has zero drawbacks. Even automobiles have negatives, as we're becoming more acutely aware. But as the Amish would tell you, there are more negatives for the automobile than just the climate. I don't think it's a good strategy to look at everything that looks a little Luddite-ish and dismiss that sentiment as backwards.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 05:17 AM
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usually a full on collapse requires hostile outside forces very deliberately seeking that goal. That's untrue for so many high profile cases in history. Rome collapsed from the inside. The USSR collapsed without anyone firing a shot on them. The only significant change we're experiencing that's likely to cause collapse is climate change, since that globally disrupts every aspect of human life as we know it. I literally laughed out loud at this. This belief is quintessential of an anti-humanist M…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 05:09 AM
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Not sure where the disagreement is here. Yes hedonistic lifestyles are part of the reason we are here. Yes sexual liberation is part of the reason we are here. The fact that men and women are different doesn't mean that they can't function in a relationship. If you're demanding that your partner think exactly like you, or that you always understand what they are up to, that sounds like you're the one overcomplicating things. My thesis is that those demands are culturally pushed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 05:04 AM
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The trends I mention are national, not just among PPD. Yes it's more extreme here, but I don't see the national trends moving in the other direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 05:00 AM
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So many people probably weren't happy and stayed in miserable, shitty relationships due to social pressure and religion. I disagree with this characterization. For every genuinely evil person who had a poor innocent partner stuck with them, there were 10+ people who learned how to make it work and be happy. And in a lot of cases, they did a better job than modern people do with all of our self-centered concerns with partner selection. People still want to have children, they just want to do so w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 04:57 AM
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A lot of people are alone unhappily and unwillingly. Can't be much worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 04:51 AM
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I agree that it's more extreme here, but as I mentioned in OP, all of these trends are moving in this direction when you look at the larger culture. Marriage rates aren't just declining among PPD, they're declining nationwide.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 04:49 AM
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People are getting more divorced now than decades ago because now that is less stigmatized. True. That doesn't counter my point that it turns the marriage into a farce. And before you play this game, no it's not more of a farce for two people to be married and not "love each other right now" or some dumb self-absorbed shit than to "be honest and get divorced." All that divorce does is solidify what very possibly could have been fixable relationship issues. Not because marriages on average are le…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 04:47 AM
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The dead don't speak
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 04:42 AM
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This is the part I disagree with. Society is fine. It changes all the time. Societies also collapse horribly all the time. Study history, it's filled with the empty husks of once-great civilizations. To me, a queer man in an LTR with another man, the social changes have strengthened my ability to form a family, as I can marry my partner and adopt children. This social construct was mainstreamed like 5 years ago and we have zero idea if it works in the long term to any degree. We know monogamous …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 04:40 AM
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You do know what pre-modern mortality used to be like, right? Yes, and we were able to deal with death better. We did it by fighting back directly with more life. But just giving up on life continuing does far more to the psyche than solving a technical problem of "social issues caused by too many people." Why does it need to reverse? Why do people need to be paired, sometimes (often?) unhappily or unwillingly? People work better together than apart. I feel pretty safe in saying this is a univer…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 04:36 AM
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incredibly costly for anyone to deviate from it. For good reason, apparently. Our modern "permissive" society has only served to delay the costs. people who weren't fit for the trad lifestyle nor interested enough in following trad norms either remained single or adopted "degenerate" lifestyle "Progressed" society creates its degenerates. It doesn't only find them. Sure it's kicked off by the inevitable fringes of society, but as it becomes normalized, it increases the population that participat…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 04:33 AM
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Marriage rates declining is not the same as people not being in long term relationships. Fair point. I should have mentioned the fact that a large portion of the marriages that are happening are being turned into a farce by divorce. As for the sources of that other information, that is common knowledge. If someone would claim the opposite (that younger people are more mentally stable now than years ago) that would be a claim demanding sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 04:26 AM
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the world has been burning over the past 2 decades and everyone is busy trying to survive How old are you? Just curious about the perspective, because I see this sentiment a lot, and yet if you look at things worldwide the past two decades have been ridiculously positive. Additionally, we’ve very much skewed to having fewer quality offspring over having many and hoping one survives Except we're not getting higher quality offspring as we're having less of them. Kids are having more issues nowaday…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 04:23 AM
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The majority of people are in relationships We are trending the other direction (honestly I don't think I believe that stat, but I'm sure there are many different ways to measure it), and I don't see how it's going to reverse. Do you? And I have no idea why we need more kids. Let people who don’t want them opt out Stagnant/declining populations have ridiculous negative economic and social effects. We shouldn't go their willingly and think it's going to improve anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 04:13 AM
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Give it time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 04:08 AM
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Because that worked so well in the 60's and 70's sexual revolution. Zero downsides.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 03:45 AM
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I don't think it's a Left/Right thing. It's a Traditionalism/Secular Humanism thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 03:44 AM
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So you are the doomslayer fighting on the side of the demons in my story. Fascinating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 03:40 AM
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You're not disagreeing with me though. I agree that societal collapses have happened before (quite often, frankly). I agree that there is an element of tribalism going on here (though no tribe that has trouble reproducing is going to last long). I agree that there are these other flaws helping drive us apart. I agree that the struggle in dating is more a product than a cause (see usage of the word "indicators" in the title). I also agree that we are divided along more lines than just men vs wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 03:31 AM
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I want to believe you, but sadly the data is clear when you look at declining marriage rates, increased reports of chronic loneliness at younger and younger ages, and overall life dissatisfaction expressed by the younger generations. Mental illness rates aren't going down.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 03:22 AM
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female emancipation and subsequent promiscuity does not causes societal decline. If it did, Arabic countries would've been the most developed countries The second statement is only true if female emancipation and subsequent promiscuity was the only factor that could cause societal decline. However, that is not indicated anywhere, leading to a logically inconsistent statement. Also, there are a million things to unpack inside the term "societal decline." If you define "societal progress" by how e…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 12:11 AM
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If you are missing those things now already, it's not going to get better as time goes on. There's a good reason values are ridiculously important for this kind of thing. Interreligious dating never works, because either it's a constant point of contention, or you are both not actually that religious (in which case you're not really interreligious). Unless one or both of you plans on converting to the other, I would highly suggest seeking out someone who is a "really good guy" plus shares your v…
/r/RedPillWomen07/04/22 04:09 PM
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Nightclubs and bars see no shortage of women, despite those being places of significant increased risk for such things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 04:04 PM
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what is it about how women perceive their safety that bothers you? Risk is always a tradeoff. Cars are dangerous and risky, yet we trade in that risk for their transportation convenience. Taking drugs is likely to cause lifelong issues, yet people still trade in those issues for the immediate high of the drug. Sex outside lifetime monogamy is extremely risky on all sorts of levels (disease, emotions, potential assault, etc), and yet people still partake in it quite regularly. Once you give up th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 11:58 PM
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My trust issues usually center around their incredible ability to be mentally abusive, and occasionally sic large sympathetic men to their beckon call without having to deal with the intricacies of male conflict on their own. I don't let people get close. I dumped both of my ex's before they got too close, because I couldn't trust them not to just turn on me and make the rest of my life even more of a living hell like the females of my family have consistently done with theirs. I was trained to …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 11:13 PM
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Conditioning? Mental illness? Innate desire? Result of pornography? Just for fun? It's probably a weird combination of innate desire and conditioning. From a Trad perspective, it's an extreme form of innate feminine submission that is probably an overreaction from modern indoctrination into women trying to be more "strong" and "independent" than they actually are. And in fact, it suffers the same phenomenon that super puritanical cultures run into. Holding something that is desired just out of r…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 10:55 PM
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By loneliness do you just mean not getting laid? Because that's not loneliness. There's a lot more driving the male loneliness epidemic than a lack of sleeping around.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 10:51 PM
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I had a female friend like this. She had a bubbly outgoing demeanor and treated men just like she treated women. She was constantly getting the kind of male attention you talk about, though she was generally better about redirecting it gracefully than seems to be happening in your situations, and the men in her circle tended to be less... direct about it. Like they would try to ask her out on dates more than try to get her to dress for their enjoyment (homeschooler culture). The first issue is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 03:55 PM
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Rampant cultural misandry was bound to drive me here eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 03:18 PM
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ACTUAL suggestions Stop scaring people about men. Build men up. We've done a fantastic job building up women to their capacity. Let's lend some of that energy to our men now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 03:17 PM
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And, as I said earlier, I don't think being treated suspiciously is always being treated shitty. How would you know? Have you experienced this? Also, it's more than just the women. Guys will white knight all day and night on women's behalf because they feel obligated to by frightened women. If you don't want women to throw themselves at every man who approaches them, exactly what are you expecting? Well, a heck of a lot more than 5 easy tips for not being an ass that only apply to women when the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 02:48 AM
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I literally said that I wasn't speaking specifically at any one gender (gender is a subgroup of people), and you're still over here saying that the only thing I'm suggesting is for women to throw themselves at every man they see. I don't understand what I have to say in order to get you to not twist everything around into some kind of self-serving garbage. Let go of my panties if that's what you think you are twisting lol. I might be married, but I also have friends, family, co-workers, etc. Goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 02:26 AM
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I compressed what I was saying into a single sentence. Details got lost, and now you're focused on the details because you don't actually care about the issue, you care about proving some heckforsaken point 50 comments down a Reddit rabbithole that no one else is ever going to read that you're still right. I've made the point multiple times that I'm not speaking specifically at any one subgroup of people, even if the advice gets gendered on the way out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 02:07 AM
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Honestly, this sounds like you take every challenge to your belief system and chalk it up to "blaming alcohol and clothes for sexual assault and rape." Like sure... I guess grouping up and being less isolated as means of increasing accountability is just like telling a woman she deserved it for wearing a short skirt and drinking the spiked punch.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:55 AM
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You don't like having your viewpoint challenged?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:27 AM
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Well I'm perfectly happy to explain that one. I'm not blaming the people for pushing a solution that seems to work on some levels. The only point I was making is that the world is a chaotic place, and sometimes the very things we do to help and look like they are helping in the short term can turn their ugly heads in the long term. It's like taking a painkiller to go to sleep after a major surgery. It helps, in fact it can help for years, and then next thing you are addicted to opioids. Another …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:20 AM
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I was describing myself, not the trauma. So yes, it was me personally. And yes, what you said was mean-spirited and something you would never take about yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 01:03 AM
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Yet you demand a safe space to talk about your trauma to me. Huh. Weird how that works. Are you a typical woman or an outlier? If so, it's weird how guys get the idea that women are self-absorbed narcissists.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 12:59 AM
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You are obviously not a safe place to discuss trauma with, lol. I'll pass from the nitpicking that will inevitably arise.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 12:44 AM
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I wasn't describing my trauma. You just couldn't resist that little jab, could you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 12:42 AM
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Well, why should I take your word about trauma despite me having literally the opposite experience? Why shouldn't I just dismiss your experience and say, "Well having random girls (heck anyone, tbh) approach me and give me any kind of attention would probably do a lot to help my depression onset by loneliness (as it has done in the past like that one time my friend complimented my shoes)?"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 12:32 AM
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Notice how I said "I'm just taking your word for it that it was traumatic" about your issue? And how I'm not saying anything about me thinking or not thinking whether it's possible to be traumatized by something that I would find so uplifting? Yeah. You're doing the thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 12:04 AM
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I'm not trying to bully you for what you said. I mean, I kind of agree. That was the whole point. Then you got on some weird high horse about "except I'm not complaining" and I'm like wtf you just made a long list of complaints. If what you said wasn't a complaint, then at least half of the stuff in RP "isn't complaining, merely observing" which invalidates half of your "observations" about this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 10:21 PM
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If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... It's a duck.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 09:46 PM
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What I said: I think sexual assault problems rose as ideas around sex (the act) were made more open Your interpretation: You are saying that my issues don't excist, that my friends haven't experienced the things that they have told me, that I'm just emotional, illogical, hysterical. "women are just being silly"? I mean, I understand that communication between different experiences is difficult, but come on. I said nothing about current lived experiences. I said that the current lived experiences…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 09:44 PM
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I mean, that excuse for complaining is as old as the hills. "I wasn't complaining, merely observing all of the negative things about the situation." Mhmmm I have oceanfront property in Montanna to sell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 09:37 PM
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Right. I'm pointing out 2 things. First thing is that there is a dynamic aspect to interest. No girls will show interest in a guy who doesn't look approachable. This idea that "there has to be at least one somewhere in the world" doesn't pass muster.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 09:35 PM
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I don't think history was as bad as a bunch of openly power-driven ideologues made it out to be. I think sexual assault problems rose as ideas around sex (the act) were made more open, and now we're trying to fix it with more sexual expressiveness and awareness and feminism, which will never work no matter how hard you push it. I think women were more silent on rape longer ago because it didn't happen as much longer ago. This whole modern concept of individual sexual expressivism is at the root …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 09:14 PM
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We're on a sub where most of the men here think we're essentially plotting to falsely accuse men of rape, baby trap them, cuck them, cheat on them, take all their money and their house and ruin their reputations. They think we're plotting to someone shame them for a myriad of reasons from speaking up to dating girls that barely turned 18, they think any sort of constructive criticism is an attack on mankind as a whole and masculinity specially. They barely think we're adults, some barely even co…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 09:02 PM
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I didn't claim to be an incel. So that answer is nonzero.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 09:01 PM
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Did you really repost this after the thread got deleted for calling me names? I'm curious... why? Are you playing for an audience? That said, if you can't tell the difference between taking steps to protect yourself from would-be perpetrators and living in cowering fear of the unknown, then I really pray for the safety of anyone you are giving advice to. Empowering people against would-be evildoers is not victim-blaming. Your conflation of the issue would disempower people in order to maintain t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 09:00 PM
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You literally brought it up three comments above. "Oh I'm not complaining, I just think men do all of this bad shit that I'm going to spell out now." Seriously? I don't speak to the rest of it. Most of the stuff anti-TRP people bring up is tired old feminist arguments that have been overdone for the past 50 or so years. I disagree with them on a lot of stuff without resorting to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 08:50 PM
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You have routinely torn me apart for views that I did not express, based on views that you assume people from my group have. You literally were doing it in the comment above. That qualifies.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 08:44 PM
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Okay, I think a 100% of men have had at least one female be interested in them even if they weren't all that interested in her. You're operating under the premise that people have like a list of possible soulmates that are attracted to them no matter what. In reality it's not like that at all. It's very easy for a guy to be a loner and barely get any female attention, much less positive, much less actually someone interested in him enough to want to go all the way. There's a dynamic aspect of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 08:33 PM
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So you're not complaining about men being suspicious and misogynist because of the minority of women who do bad shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 08:20 PM
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Fair. I guess things are bad. Maybe I'm an idiot for thinking that they could be better. But for me, I'd rather be the idiot who dies horribly fighting for something better than the damn crab at the bottom of the bucket pulling the top guy down.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 08:13 PM
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Yeah, and when that happens you manosphere types just accuse us of wanting the abuse and torment. We're terrible and to blame for trusting men and cruel bitches for not trusting every man in existence. I mean, that's men complaining about women's inability to tell the difference between a perp and an actual good guy. IMO that's every bit as unproductive as trying to treat every man as a threat. So what is that you consider isolating behavior? Considering every man as a threat is pretty isolating…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 08:10 PM
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So...how is a woman being suspicious of you traumatic? I didn't ask you how a man catcalling you was traumatic even though I would have been thrilled at that age to have a grown woman catcall me (so I obviously don't understand your perspective, I'm just taking your word for it that it was traumatic). I'm also not arguing that catcalling should be more accepted, so I'm not sure what the relevance of it was in the first place. And you're the one bringing up someone else's trauma. You understand w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 08:02 PM
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But hey I get it; some people are bad. Do you think those views are extreme or just extreme when the subjects of suspicion are men? I think that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If we're going to make the point that a small minority of men doing bad shit justifies all kinds of suspicion and misandry, then doesn't it follow that a small minority of women doing bad shit also justifies all kinds of suspicion and misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 07:50 PM
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You can't make it less common, without adressing the source of SA and actually getting rapists to fear going to jail. Rapists already fear going to jail. That's why they get sneaky about it. In fact it's probably part of the thrill driving them into it. We fear getting raped. You fear going to jail for rape. Considering the fact that more SA happens to men overall solely because of prison rape, I find this juxtaposition especially ironic as an attempt to illustrate an imbalance of trauma. Oh but…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 07:43 PM
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Well, we don't have the luxury of just assuming every guy is safe. It seems to me that there might be a middle between pretending every man is a threat and assuming every guy is safe. If that's your dichotomy, then actual threats will put on a front to try to get on your "safe" list. The difference I'm proposing is to avoid isolating behavior, because the one thing that threats cannot deal with is accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 07:25 PM
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The overall pattern and size of the decline were similar to the decline in the overall violent crime rate. I mean, that kind of proves my point that there hasn't been any special decline in SA other than the wider decline in overall violent crime. Also, that study ends in 2012, which was a decade ago. I'm talking mostly about the past decade, which I'm sure has a giant spike in 2020 and 2021 just like the rest of violent crime. Seriously??? That’s the whole fucking point. Do not judge an entire …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 07:20 PM
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Almost being the key operating word here. Well, a typical example of that is the whole "wear a low cut top and if guys' eyes go down there it means they want something from you." Although that usually only applies if the guy is ugly. It's just tiring and causes standoffish behavior because of perfectly predictable reactions and tendencies among males and females. Why play them against each other when we could understand each other and work with those hormones instead of against them so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 06:58 PM
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But when do something VERY successfull (be weary of all men), it's a problem? I thought yall just wanted us to be safe? My whole point is that this isn't successful. It's self-defeating. What do you think threats want to see, a large interconnected group of people who do positive things for each other and look out for each other, or isolated individuals getting more and more self-focused with each passing scare? It's not like SA is getting any less common because of this, and you're kidding your…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 06:46 PM
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Precisely what is it that you want women to do? It's not only women pushing this notion. Guys do it too, though usually out of self-service (we call it white knighting). I'm just saying stop scaring women unnecessarily. Pretend men aren’t threats? First of all, you don't have to pretend, because the vast majority of men aren't threats. Secondly, pretending all men are threats doesn't help you against the actual true threats. Actual threats aren't phased by you being standoffish to everyone. Non-…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 06:35 PM
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We help men and women who subconsciously pick abusive partners due to codependency and other issues to recognize it and break the patterns. Whoever has been doing this has been doing a completely shitty job, because again, I haven't seen any evidence of those rates dropping despite everything that has been done over the past decade or more. We help everyone by helping them understand there is nothing wrong with being alert and aware of signs and protecting themselves and there is nothing misandr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 06:17 PM
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you’re saying it’s their fault. Just because someone could have done things differently doesn't make the trauma of the incident any worse. In fact, if there is an obvious thing that they can do in the future to prevent it, then it can become a therapy in and of itself. It's empowering to know that there is something you can do personally to prevent the situation. That doesn't imply that the person now has to live under some double trauma of accepting fault. Growth does not mean that you have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 06:04 PM
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If you can’t figure out the difference between something like making the decision to meet a blind date at the restaurant rather than your house Nobody mentioned that. Heck I wouldn't want her to know where I live that early because maybe she is a crazy person. I'm not arguing against common sense protections, in fact I would argue in favor of them because once someone feels safe (by rights of actually being safer), they tend to open up more. We're talking specifically about "misandrist behavior"…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 05:49 PM
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Because I'm just focussed on me? And I'm a woman? Yes, and I am focused on men even by your own measure. So why are you complaining about me focusing only on myself? You realize that if it's ok for you to focus only on yourself, then you need to extend that courtesy to others, right? At least on an online forum dedicated to discussing gender issues. Like none of these women that are being cautious of men are doing that out of group effort. I never said that was the case. But you're kidding yours…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 05:32 PM
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It's a negation when you're trying to argue an equivalency. I'm not arguing equivalency. I'm arguing that the correct way to address trauma of any kind is not to dish other forms of trauma out onto others. Don't even get me started with the comparison game. Who can tell whether a single night of being beaten up is more or less traumatic than 30 years of daily verbal abuse? We can all find ways to make our trauma the worst thing in the world (and it is, because it affects us more than anyone else…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 05:16 PM
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Funny assumptions that you are making. Pretty irrelevant to the issue, though. I mean, supposing that I am completely focused only on men getting hurt (I'm not, if you would read the rest of the comment), that still leaves the question for why you are focused only on women. Maybe we need a "male day of visibility" or whatever they're calling it these days. The point isn't to try to compare one trauma to another. The point is to try and trace back the sources of trauma to reduce it, and make sure…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 04:37 PM
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What do you think it did to my psyche to have grown men catcalling me while I was still in grade school? Oh it certainly affected you negatively. But pointing out that men also have issues isn't a negation of your experience unless you're actively trying to weaponize your negative experience against the world. You perceive that suspicion as being treated badly. I don't. That's because you've never experienced it. Again, that's like me saying "You perceive grown men catcalling you is bad treatmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 04:21 PM
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Creep
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 04:13 PM
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I don't expect you to understand as a women what being treated extremely suspiciously does to a person's psyche, but there are numerous anecdotal reports of females observing the marked difference in socialization that they experience when they present as male, and how bad it is. Anecdotes such as this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/tvt6t7/trans_man_discusses_how_once_he_transitioned_he/ Any time you respond to a problem by treating other people badly, you run the risk o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 04:07 PM
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No it's definitely white misogynist raiding parties trying to claim what they think is theirs. Unabashed racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 03:56 PM
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I think you're looking at this the wrong way. Yes, the numbers are low. But that's all it takes to justify women being misandrist and suspicious of men. Now turn that over on the flipside. Yes, it's true that most women won't falsely accuse you of rape. But those low numbers still justify suspicion and misogyny. Most women won't divorce you in a fit of vapid self-indulgence. But 1 in 5 do, and that is reason enough to justify suspicion and misogyny. Most women aren't vapid whores, but some are, …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 03:54 PM
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But apparently you think those people shouldn’t be helped — it’s not big deal if the numbers aren’t high right? That's not the point OP was making. The point he was making was that if you help some by hurting more, are you really helping? And are we actually helping those women by telling them to be weary of all men? Last I checked, those spousal abuse cases are not getting any lower despite all of the awareness campaigns. So we are applying a fix (treating all men suspiciously) that doesn't act…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 03:48 PM
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Having similar interests or enough flexibility/open mindedness to bond over mutual interests is important. Human relationships largely revolve around time and bonding. Sharing into something together is typically the only significant way that we bond. It's difficult to get two people who don't know each other to commit to seeing each other and make time for each other without a mutual interest to bond over. I think you hit the nail on the head. In my case, we had a shared distaste for the way "C…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 05:38 PM
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How do you work your thought process for matchmaking? I got matched to a girl by a mutual friend, but we didn't mesh well at all and honestly I was kind of shocked afterwards that the mutual friend didn't know me or didn't know her well enough to know we wouldn't match well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 04:36 PM
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People change when they are in love. I've had that happen to me, girls I thought were completely stuck-up and wouldn't give me the time of day suddenly look at me directly and smile at me and engage with me directly after they have a significant other. I think it has to do with the pressure being off. Similarly, maybe you guys were in a rut for 15 years and you changing the way you converse with him over the past month and a half was a wake-up call for him. Also, sometimes feelings have common o…
/r/RedPillWomen01/04/22 04:32 PM
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Both of those things can be true at the same time... The drive to get off doesn't exist in a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 02:19 AM
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I was definitely conflating misogynism where you actually hate women and would participate in degrading activities irl like gangbangs with so-called "casual misogynism" where you believe men should lead out, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 12:01 AM
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Because that's usually not the reason guys watch porn. Most of the time it is to feel some kind of connection with someone (even if it's fake). If you just enjoy watching someone be degraded, in order to enjoy that kind of stuff you'd have to be into stuff like gangbanging. Which people are into, and maybe that's more the form of misogynism that you were referring to. I was using misogynist in that sentence to refer to antifeminist, which is a misnomer IMO but most people here disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 12:00 AM
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A true misogynist would see misogynistic porn as a form of cuckolding. That's why straight dudes go for solo/lesbian porn so much. A guy watching porn just wants women. You watching a guy watching porn involves a man and the woman in the porn, which is mirrored by you watching a guy and a real girl have sex. You watching a guy watching a guy and a girl having sex is very different from either of those two. Porn preferences don't directly mirror real-life experiences when you cast them like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 10:00 PM
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Traditionally, you made vows and pretty much everything outside of that was shamed. Seemed like a good system, worked for a few millennia, didn't result in a gender crisis every 5 years. Good system.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:50 PM
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Or maybe we all could be unicorns and fart rose-scented rainbows. For as many women have completely ridiculous habits that are destructive and men are supposed to make way for them, leaving blockable comments on a public website seems like a very minor thing to put up with that is quite easily remediable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 09:44 PM
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As a single childless male, I would only consider a widow/widower on principle. And even then, I'd have a hard time with it just on the practicality basis. Something that would make me more open to it would be if it was like a distant relative of mine that died, which makes me feel better about raising "someone else's kids." Of course, if I knew that relative too well it would just be weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 08:24 PM
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I literally included an example in my OC. I controlled myself by removing myself. For example, if someone is verbally antagonizing me (guy or girl, lest you're still fixated on sexism), it's usually best if I leave. Yes I should be able to "control myself" and take it, but it's not a sign of losing control if I leave. Similarly, I control my feelings for a person by spending less time with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 08:13 PM
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Sure. I don't disagree with you there. People want the positive and don't want to deal with the corresponding negatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 07:56 PM
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I’ve done therapy, meditation, introspection, I have dear friends and a spouse to bounce feelings off of. My children and step-children know they can come to me with anything. I don’t think there’s any level on which I haven’t looked at myself and questioned my feelings. Ok, you have described how you see your inner self. You have described spending a lot of time thinking about your inner self, and so you probably agree with me saying that you see your inner self as your "true, authentic self," …
/r/RedPillWomen31/03/22 07:52 PM
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Last time I accidently stroked her "tummy" what she later said have been her boobs.... ooops. "said later" like how much later? She didn't say something at the time? Yeah she's definitely conflicted herself. You're on thin ice here. Be careful. You're dealing with a girl that is all over the place emotionally and doesn't know what she wants. So don't bother trying to get a straight answer from her, because there is none. Play it cool and always be one step "less interested" than she seems to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 07:57 PM
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It's always when your guard is down that you get took. Do it while you feel good about everything so it's not a desperate search when things all go south. Is it a 5% odds you think of things going south like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 07:54 PM
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The difference is fascinating and goes back thousands of years. Though I think there is also a separate aspect of respecting the difference between words and violence. I think it's true among both cultures that you normally defend a verbal attack with a verbal response, and a violent attack with a violent response.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 07:51 PM
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Because it sounds like you're saying that your mind can't overcome biology and/or that you're confusing friendly affection with sexual attraction. Have you seen modern pop culture? Have you read Freud? That's all everyone does with any kind of normal feelings, and you should be happy that it's mostly targeted at men and not you because it really really sucks growing up and being manipulated like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 07:02 PM
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I like how part of "controlling yourself" can never include anything that affects the woman in any way. Like yes, I controlled myself by leaving the situation that was causing me emotional problems. But somehow that's not actually "controlling yourself" because you took away your presence. You can't make these people happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 06:59 PM
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I think men understand this, but there is a problem. CAN doesn't mean WILL. A lot of times these "friendships" become very one-sided because of the sexual dynamic, and women are perfectly content with this setup until something is asked of it from them. It's very easy to get into the trap (as a guy) of doing something nice for a female "friend" that is driven out of a sexually oriented desire instead of just a pure friendship. This puts both parties in an unfortunate position if she doesn't reci…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 06:56 PM
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sometimes ladies tell on themselves, so it's a useful question for guys to ask. This is under-realized IMO about guys and these kinds of questions. Guys have "shit-tests" too. They want to know that you won't fold in fright at the first off-color remark they make.
/r/RedPillWomen29/03/22 06:45 PM
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I can't comment on the response about you being too picky. That's just rude. That sounds like a guy letting his own insecurities show. I understand worrying about that, though. The question then is how much of a #NoFilter guy are you willing to put up with.
/r/RedPillWomen29/03/22 06:42 PM
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They always were. The difference between now and then is you didn't identify with those attributes. Your identity was in a larger context.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 06:39 PM
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We are all just trying to get by. That's not actually true for all people. There are those who are trying to "remake society" in their image or according to some concept they thought up. It's unfortunate that you can't just trust people, but that's just the way things are. I would be very skeptical of the sources of feelings like that. It's tempting to chalk them up to "I am just different" when it's very likely that someone dedicated their time and energies into manipulating people's emotions t…
/r/RedPillWomen29/03/22 06:37 PM
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The biggest one for me is companionship. Just someone to be with who has different interests that we can complement. And someone that I can actually take care of and feel responsible for. That and I see it as part of future family building. I don't care what women say, you can't raise a family with only one parent. And yes, there is a sexual component to it. But mostly I just need a landing pad for those hormones because I'm tired of them getting manipulated and blowing everywhere. I'm sure that…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 05:33 PM
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Where are you getting the idea that "Conservatism" is what makes people ok with this kind of violence in response to words? There's actually a heck of a lot more going on here wrt the appropriateness of "defending your wife's honor" vs the appropriateness of "responding to words with violence." In western circles it has been Liberals defending the use of violence against words to be justified, and Conservatives pushing the notions of free speech. There's another difference here, and that is hono…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 05:13 PM
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stroll around Wallmart at Sunday afternoon and look at all the dads if you do not believe me. First of all, pointing at dads at a local Walmart is the absolute epitome of... well to say "success" bias fallacy is a bit of a misnomer, but you get the point. "Yeah, look at the fact that there are 10 dads here on Saturday. It's definitely working for everybody!" Interesting that you also picked from the demographic most likely to have a wife that divorces him and takes the kids then calls him a dead…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 05:01 PM
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This doesn't add up. You're treating women like a liquid. The reality is that people can only be divided down to the individual, no further. And even then, you're completely discounting the difficulties in compatible people finding each other in a sea of incompatible people. The fact of the matter is that if there are 10x as many Bills as Ginger-loving women, then Bill only gets his one-year GF once every 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 04:28 PM
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no one cares if a woman wants to stay a celibate her whle life. Disagree. Women are heavily pressured to have sex, though most of it is implicit and teasing. But it's more of a status and FOMO thing, like it's not their sexual desires that are being manipulated most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 02:17 PM
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Women arent hypergamous, men are just hornier more sexually manipulated by modern society. Only fix I have to make. The rest seems mostly legit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 12:42 AM
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You seem familiar with the type of guys who pay for sex. You have experience, perhaps? Look, I seriously hope you don't f*ck up your life in this phase of being allowed to be as abrasive as you are being and getting away with it because you conform to the modern psyche of sexuality. I just hope that you realize sooner rather than later what matters in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 12:35 AM
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Who do you think benefits more from marriage: men or women? If your focus is on individuals in what is supposed to be a life union, then both of you are going to suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 12:17 AM
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He also shares research that in America, we're at a 30 year low for sexual activity. Seems like women want nothing to do with the type of men they have themselves created. I'm pretty sure the feeling is mutual. Men are fed up with the women shit too. Half of *ncels are just guys who don't want to dance to a vapid female's tune.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 12:15 AM
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You seem like the type of girl who just figured out that you can get male sexual attention by being a little bit of a whore, so your ego is being stoked by all of the attention. But you haven't figured out that these men will f*ck women even if they can't stand them otherwise, and you are spiraling into that category.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 12:05 AM
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Oh my, now I have a very sad vision of a washed-up man in his 50s or 60s insisting that he's Hugh Heffner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 12:01 AM
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I wasn't referring to 30s when I said, "when you get older."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 03:03 AM
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You literally cannot imagine a world where sleeping with chicks isn't the number one reason to live, can't you? Honestly I just feel pity at this point. I've seen where this gets you when you get older. It's very sad to watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 02:40 AM
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What makes you think everyone wants extroverted people? What makes you think my idea of attraction is anything like "cultural" attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 02:38 AM
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Your obviously banging all the girls. Yes. Clearly that is my driving motivation. Keep white knighting It has been a looong time since I have been called that. It's funny to hear it though. If you care, I'm not defending women at all with my position.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 02:32 AM
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yes you are very jealous clearly judging by that response Bait response is bait. Saying "NO" clearly means "yes." And women say men are the ones with issues understanding the meaning of "NO"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 02:29 AM
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I'm just curious why you leave public dms turned on when you find it weird when people use them. It's kinda weird tbh that you choose to leave it open. It's like you don't like it, but you don't want it to stop either so you don't do the obvious thing that would prevent it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 02:28 AM
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The things that make you attractive on Instagram makes you attractive IRL. Vapid and obsessive self-focus? Extreme focus on body image? Someone who has made a habit of chasing attention and clout? Sounds attractive af. but at the end of the day you just won’t get laid That's not my goal with relationships, and I hate the people who are like this. You're like an inverse Midas who ruins everyone you touch and makes them gun-shy for the rest of us. Go sodomize with a rough broomhandle if you're tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 02:25 AM
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you jealous? NO. I know exactly how those go. They're using money for attention. Count me out, and if you're that stupid as to fall for stuff like that (or that loose), then that's useful to know about someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 02:22 AM
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It's still better to approach people in a context where approaching is expected and approved. It makes that part of conversation so much easier, plus doesn't leave a trail of weirded-out people. I'm well aware of the reddit connotations. I too would block someone who slides into my dm's on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 02:19 AM
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Be strategic That's why I avoid Instagram girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 02:14 AM
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You're an e-celeb if you have one. Discount, but still the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 01:32 AM
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It's not understood as a dating app by most people who use it. Also modern dating has a strong "I might just want to have sex with you and nothing else" connotation that a lot of people don't like. Instagram usage is also a red flag IMO. So why would I go there to pick up chicks that all have red flags?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 01:31 AM
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I think it’s weird when a stranger I have never met before dms me on an app that I use to share photos with my friends Why is your profile public then?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 01:29 AM
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"Celebrities and high-status people get responses" No sh*t sherlock.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 01:27 AM
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and come on, you wouldnt accept a dm from your celebrity crush? I like how your idea for how Instagram dating would go is getting a DM from your celebrity crush. Also you seem to be thinking that would not go horribly with you just being used as his latest toy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 01:26 AM
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I mean, becoming an OF whore is different than doing something that actually has value to society, like becoming a nun. Career and military women are their own issues. Also I'm not saying that the correct response is anger. I'm just pointing out the obvious that it definitely has an effect, just like the rise in wageslave careers among women has an effect. With the nun thing, I'll appeal to a magnitude argument. There are definitely more career women and OF whores than nuns. Also OF whores activ…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 01:19 AM
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I'll do you one better: mentally stable, and not unattractive. They don't need to be aggressively attractive at all times. Just not unattractive. And mentally stable. Don't care if she's hot, and spending money without control is a sign of mental instability tbh. Don't care about ambition unless it's ambitious for a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 06:28 PM
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Because it's not like OF girls are materializing out of thin air and dropping from the sky. They are coming out of the pool of existing women. So, unless you are a top-tier guy, that puts pressure on you and makes finding someone that much more difficult, especially if you have self-respect and don't want someone with that past.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 06:25 PM
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This is actually so backwards when you look at history that if you were to suggest putting things in this order you probably would have gotten run out of town for trying to destroy everything that they hold dear. Attraction isn't something that originates out of the individual experiencing the attractive feelings. These feelings are nurtured, fed, manipulated, squelched, ignored, etc by both the person experiencing them and external forces. There is nothing "special" about feeling attraction tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 05:10 PM
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Your inner thoughts do not define you. The larger culture will tell you that the "true you" is to be found inside your being, and everything that lies in conflict with that must be a lie. This is a poisonous way to view self. It sounds trite, but your Identity really does come from God. Focus less on your internal thoughts. Don't try to fight them, as your thoughts are "desperately wicked" and will only twist the "real you" (aka, who God created you as) into something that confused at best and m…
/r/RPChristians19/03/22 09:51 PM
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Yes. That's one of many reasons we should warn women against becoming a hoe in the first place. At the very least we should stop actively encouraging it in the name of some bs "empowerment" or whatever. It's important to avoid being things that are socially stigmatized because, right or wrong, the stigma keeps piling on. At the same time, there is a huge universal sickness in our culture that encourages both manwhoring and female hoeing. It's all part of the same steaming pile of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 09:32 PM
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It's possible to get rid of it, but it takes a significant time where you aren't adding to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 09:27 PM
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I guess I prefer to completely flip the script. Love isn't a solely function of internal feelings that can be gained or lost. It's also a function of history and commitment. When I look at a potential relationship, I don't think it's good to focus on what I think my or their internal mental state will be. Instead, it should be a function of what we work together to accomplish. The feelings are ancillary, or something to be managed to the best of our ability. It's a partnership with a very signif…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 09:26 PM
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I mean, honestly the striking part about it is how much that behavior mirrors the experience of abuse victims or addicts. Having a strong desire to do something that makes you feel gross in other contexts isn't a normal everyday experience of someone with a healthy thought life. That's just an addiction. That said, I don't think it's going far enough to only reserve it for "loving relationship(s)" (emphasis on the plural). The damage that repeated voluntary separation causes is every bit compara…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 03:32 AM
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Oh yeah the gross part is different though. Thinking about sex, you're not thinking gross no matter how many guys she has banged. Thinking about a relationship, all of a sudden that stuff starts to look very gross. It's an inconsistency that only exists when you try to make "love" free. My point is that the strange part is the part where guys don't feel gross about having sex with someone that they would feel gross about being in a relationship with them. The normal reaction is guys feeling gros…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 03:18 AM
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Sex doesn't carry very much meaning with it for guys (especially those types of guys). It's just a thing to do with someone. Also "crazy, desperate or gross" are not the words those guys would use to describe the type of girl they'd fuck but not get in a relationship with. Usually "hot but toxic" or "pretty but shallow" are the way those girls are thought about. Again, I personally am celibate because I value celibacy in my potential partner, so this is mostly academic for me. But I understand t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 03:10 AM
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even if the occasional woman will be horny enough to want a manhoe? Oh it is way more than just that. Sure there are a class of women who won't have the time of day with you, but there's also a fairly large class who will (young-ish party girls trying to live it up). And trust me, plenty of guys (especially married ones) keep their distance from manwhores. The point is that there exist sizable populations in both camps and they both fuck each other and fuck each other over. But the first part su…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 03:01 AM
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And y'all don't even realize it reflects so badly on you to admit those things? What's with that? Guys do this because there are no negative repercussions from women for doing this. He just looks "confident" and "obviously desirable because other women went with him." The guys who are doing this still get laid and in fact it helps them get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 02:55 AM
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And yet I have never had an interest in hearing a man's "number" Men and women are different. It really is that simple. Men (for a myriad of very traditional-sounding reasons) prefer women with lower or zero previous experience. Women (for reasons that I don't understand) don't seem to care about men's previous experience, and in fact sometimes even prefer more experienced men. This has unfortunate implications when it comes to sexual behavior. What makes it okay to dehumanise someone for not st…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 02:05 AM
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Why don't men want a relationship with a woman with baggage? You know that baggage by definition is a pain to deal with, right? Wouldn't it be better to ask, why don't women (and men, for that matter) all try to have less baggage?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 01:56 AM
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The problem here has to do with "sexual attraction" vs just general attraction. I think women assume that guys who are attracted at all to girls must be sexually attracted and therefore are actively thinking about having sex with the girl and that's what's pulling them towards her. While that does happen if he's in a certain frame of mind, sometimes it can be more of a "I know I could be super into her, but I'm not feeling it acutely at the moment" feeling. Of course, guys who are more successfu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 12:52 AM
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It is the state's view and perspective on marriage that has the largest material impact on your short, mid and long-term life, regardless of gender or sexuality. Ok this is just too much. So you are only living together at the permission of the state? Or is living in the same house as someone a "smaller impact" to you than doing your taxes together or not having automatic "power of attorney" that might affect you materially or it probably won't? Pledging yourself to each other exclusively and in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 12:46 AM
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If she was a psycho in other ways that’s one thing This was definitely the case in my uncle's situation. She was completely psycho in a lot of ways. It was arguably related to her being unmoored from her traditional upbringing, but yes I can reassure you that the divorce wasn't solely a case of him just tiring of his "crazy-sexy but otherwise normal" wife. It is, however, quite telling that his second wife was not "crazy-sexy" at all and fits right in among more traditional people, even though s…
/r/RedPillWomen18/03/22 02:11 AM
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You are describing the perspective of the state. I agree with you that that perspective exists. My point is that marriage is first and foremost a social construct between two people and their immediate communities. If you live as a religious person, the religious aspect of marriage comes first and the legal/government one comes second as an afterthought. So yes, it is legally legitimized by that signed construct. But if you are religious, it is not fundamentally legitimized by contractual, busin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 09:48 PM
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You're actually right in a deeper sense than I think you intended. I see this happen a lot with "rebel" men (and women) who grew up in traditional circles. They think they want this rebel non-traditional spouse, get married to them, and then after a few years realize (whether it's because of their upbringing or because traditionalism has it right) the value of a traditional partner and how much they are missing out on. Divorces are extremely common among people who "leave the faith" during their…
/r/RedPillWomen17/03/22 04:42 PM
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Not if you also include the religious definition of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 04:33 PM
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This reminds me of an incident that my father would tell about my uncle. My Dad's family grew up Amish and still had a lot of Amish family at the time of this incident. My uncle, who left the faith, would have his non-Amish wife dress as slutty as humanly possible when they were at family functions. He saw it as an accomplishment because "even the Amish married men couldn't resist taking a look." Of course he has since divorced her (she was completely psycho) and married a more traditional woman…
/r/RedPillWomen17/03/22 02:30 AM
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It's possible that women actually are more interested than men in a relationship, but the feedback nature of desire and dating leaves us in a weird equilibrium of men acting just a little too desperate because they perceive a shortage, which turns off the women making them withdraw, which makes the perceived shortage now just a bit real.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 02:03 AM
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All careers are red flags. I'm looking for a spouse, not a business partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:45 AM
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List of US Democratic Congresswomen who voted to start the war in Iraq in 2002: Maria Ellen Cantwell Jean Anne Carpenter Carnahan Hillary Diane Clinton Dianne Goldman Berman Feinstein Mary Loretta Landrieu Blanche Meyers Lambert Lincoln Percentage of voters in the 2000 elections who were women: 52% Percentage of above members who would be subject to a draft were the above vote to result in shit really hitting the fan: 0%
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 12:40 AM
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The end of traditionalism is a foregone conclusion. The end of Traditionalism is not a foregone conclusion. If nontraditionalists are just going to f*ck around with collapsing birthrates, meaningless sex, and temporary relationships, then the only people around in a few generations are going to be us Traditionalists. There is no enjoying of a decline. It's all hell all the way down.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 05:29 PM
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That first part had nothing to do with OP's point. "Trust but verify" is a good mantra here. Arguing that people should be able to rush into the world without protection is a nice sentiment, surely. I too cannot wait for Utopia/Heaven. But meanwhile you have to take steps to protect yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 06:29 PM
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I said relationships going bad, not just ending. Which is worse to you, your partner dying, or having a falling out and them divorcing you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 12:08 AM
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Being with someone you merely tolerate is not anything like sleeping on a bed made of sharp glass. What are you smoking? There's a deep issue here psychologically that I think is extremely toxic. It drives people into this cycle of thinking "there's got to be something better if I just leave this person/situation" when it has nothing to do with the other person and everything to do with your own mental freewheeling. It's more of a FOMO thing than a physical issue of getting cut by shards of glas…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 12:05 AM
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The terrible thing is the relationships going bad, not my rational decision to protect myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 11:16 PM
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I am not in favor of living together before marriage. So honestly, I don't care about the intricacies of comparing one bad thing to another bad thing, and they both sound sufficiently bad enough to avoid. A broken family is a bad outcome. A broken relationship is a bad outcome. The only good outcome, and the outcome that should be aimed at above all else, is a reconciled relationship. It's a whole lot easier to reconcile a relationship if you haven't divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 05:27 PM
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So I am curious, for men here who would like kids in an ideal world. What exactly is the reason you avoid marriage? Divorce isn't a mutual proposition. 30% chance of divorce is still ridiculously high, especially considering the well-documented fact that 80% of divorces are initiated by women. That means that the divorce rate would drop to 18% if women divorced at the same rate men did. All that your study proves is that these women are completely stupid for divorcing, because it turns out that …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 06:47 PM
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This is wrong, but not for the stupid reasons other people are posting. We actually do need to be better for each other, and there absolutely is an obligation to be good for your partner. No, the reason you are wrong is because as long as you are looking into a relationship and trying to figure out what you will get out of it, or trying to figure out what you can offer the other person, your relationship is destined to fail. Rather, you need to look at it as a long-term team effort that you can …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 06:35 PM
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Looking for someone that I would rather be with than be alone. That's why I'm still alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 11:54 PM
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Nope, but I've dated. Yes I'm RP, but not in the current Internet craze sense. More in the Trad sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 08:21 PM
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Too many syllables.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 08:10 PM
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Oh no, they're definitely wrong about pretty much everything else. In fact, they're still wrong about the words being bad. They only aren't wrong about the fact that the names do have some impact and you can't just call dog shit and respectable sir the same thing and call it a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 08:09 PM
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If you appear healthy, that's all I ask. The rest is personal association. If I know a bunch of bitchy women with big boobs, then I'm going to subconsciously assume that you're bitchy if you have big boobs. But honestly even that melts away after we talk. Yes, I prefer Amish girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 11:14 PM
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Words matter. The feminists are actually right about this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 11:05 PM
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A nice guy is always a man that lashes out negatively and harms women from entitlement Can we stop using the term "nice guy" for this if that's what the definition is? I don't see anywhere in the definition for "nice" that comes anywhere close to this definition. That's literally the opposite of "nice." At least call them "faux nice" or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 07:20 PM
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Why? Skydaddy? Definitely a sign of someone who thinks very deeply about important subjects. You are confusing docility with niceness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 07:18 PM
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why if you hate these people so much then why do you want them? Hormones. Not everyone's hormones are in perfect harmony with their mental state. Actually it's probably true of nobody, otherwise why would hormones exist? Also this question is kind of self-refuting. The deeper answer is that they don't actually hate each other as a concept. Only love could cause this much angst. The better question is, which unmet expectations are reasonable and should be met, and which are unreasonable and need …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 06:55 PM
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What makes you all think that a HVM would want a woman like yourself? They're out there looking for someone who has a similar laundry list of good character qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 12:07 AM
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My sister is 43 and never married and she's driving the rest of us batshit crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 12:05 AM
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Oh I don't disagree that porn is bad. But I don't think it's bad because of "sex trafficking" per se. That puts a completely inaccurate picture into people's heads of what is actually going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 11:29 PM
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there isn’t a way of doing it without granting government the legal authority to compel people to undergo medical testing to provide information. Well, we could just make it impossible for them to function in normal society without said medical procedures / tests. Like we do for Vaccines, etc. As it currently stands, the government cannot compel you to undergo a medical procedure or test. Have you not been paying attention the past year? Also your quantum statements are... interesting that you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 12:48 AM
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Because the trafficked girls can't talk. I've read up on these stories of trafficking. Most of them are adults with unrelated law issues getting classified that way because police get more support if it's a "sex trafficking" case than if it's a "financial fraud" case.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:26 PM
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Granting the government the responsibility... There are ways of doing this without requiring a huge database of all men, women and children. We have organizations handle private information on our behalf all the time. It doesn't have to be a giant top-down government organization in order to function. False negatives exist for every medical test. Those false negatives will inevitably rip apart or deeply damage some real percentage of families where there was no suspicion of paternity fraud and n…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:35 PM
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Edit: Dworkinpill has changed my mind, they proposed if men are able to get a test without permission, then if they aren't the father, they can be relieved of any obligations regardless of what they have signed, then so be it. If they never choose to get a test done, then that's on them, but it's available to them. Disagree. We have constant government intervention in things like safety systems to normalize them, so as not to allow people to fall into a trap of making false uninformed choices. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 10:24 PM
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I'm curious which culture you're talking about. If your culture is getting a major exposure to the toxic Western marriage culture, it's possible the rising divorce rate could be unrelated to your traditional culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 01:08 AM
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Men are even generalized to be the more disciplined of the sexes, for reasons I don’t know but that’s what people say. That's because men have to be. We're stronger, we have more capability. Not beating someone up isn't a discipline if you lack the capability to do such a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 12:58 AM
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there aren't more of them, just that men will hide it more That's a very convenient claim. "There are tons of people with my kink, they are just all hiding it because you shame it!" Yeah... sure. just look at the amount of dudes who claim to like ''twinks'' or ''femboys'' It's still not anywhere close to the numbers for bi and lesbian women. Yes you take like 3% up to maybe 10%. Bi and lesbian women are far more common. Also these are guys admitting to liking guys who are defined by their femini…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 12:57 AM
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Red pull guys seem to think every conversation with a person of the opposite sex should be ending with sex. People who think like this are obviously expressing a strong unfulfillment in their lives, that I'm not entirely sure gets fixed by treating them as enemies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 12:52 AM
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I get that, and guys don't like being rejected either. But what is the solution? Double down into our own respective corners scared of 99 people because of the 1? If we'd approach this sensibly we could have a sensible compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 12:51 AM
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I just have a boyfriend Ahh, I was thinking I was talking to someone single.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 12:50 AM
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It's the same reason there are more bi and lesbian women than bi and gay men. Masculinity works with attraction like a polar system (like charges repel, unlike charges attract) while femininity works more like gravity (there is no real antigravity - everything attracts). It's just inherent to the nuances of the things that make up masculinity and femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:11 AM
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Chad lies, just not like that. "Yes I really do love you" and "Yes you are the only one."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:01 AM
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Why is it that the potential interest makes you so worried? This just seems so incredibly backwards if you like step back and look at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 03:59 AM
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This happens to me in churches, just in reverse. They all know if I have a girlfriend, so the only time they get open with me and stop looking at me with side-eye is when they get a boyfriend. All of a sudden that cute girl from my cousin's church I thought about but brushed off because she would never give me the time of day is chatting me up and having interesting conversations and finding out we have tons of shared interests... FML.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 03:57 AM
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18 or 19 is not "later in life." EDIT, apparently I need to direct my comment at OP too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:21 AM
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Damn...if I am shocked that you haven't been cancelled yet..lmao I'm more shocked that you found this post after 2+ years!
/r/RedPillWomen12/02/22 02:30 AM
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Another one to the list (though really, I guessed this one already just from inference): Cannot take any criticism My guess is that's the root cause of why you can't find yourself living with someone you love. It's all fine and dandy until there are expectations placed upon you that aren't "fun."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 07:24 PM
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I live in a religious community that actually has expectations from women (and men for that matter) about this stuff. So, it is on the table for me. Of course, none of the women I know will ever have an OF.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 07:21 PM
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Ahh. I'm not married, so nobody I know should know how my dick looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 07:14 PM
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I would date the virgin woman with an OF even over the one with only one LTR sexual partner. That woman has a line that hasn't been crossed that I would get to cross (after committing to her, and her stopping her OF, of course). I think those kinds of lines are important and form the mental barriers necessary to keep each other only for each other. The other girl with a single LTR sexual partner has crossed all lines with another guy, and repeat performances are easier than singular ones. Yes, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 07:13 PM
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A few things: "co-parents" "I realised how much happier I was being single." "I don't particularly enjoy cohabiting with another adult, even one I love or am in love with." "I really need to feel in control of my own time and sexuality in order to give of my best in a relationship." "I am a far better person in the lover role than in the husband role." "I cannot believe the shit that people put up with for the sake of staying together." That all points to someone who looks out for themselves at …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 07:06 PM
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14 usages of the word "I," and you admit to destroying your kids' lives over this. Somehow, I'm not surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 05:32 PM
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Life wasn't focused on happiness either. Traditionally, people recognized happiness as something occasionally tasted but not ever actually realized.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 05:30 PM
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