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I think you're taking aspects of your own personality and what works for you, and extrapolating that to be rules of seduction and "manhood". Which is completely fucked. Some guys are more of the romantic type in a relationship, and as long as they are with someone who enjoys that and is actively giving the same amount of energy back into that..........it really has no bearing on whether seduction is happening, or whether he is a "real man". These things don't create or destroy value, unless: A) …
/r/seduction11/01/14 02:46 AM
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I don't think it's worth keeping anyone excessively negative around you. But I'm not saying you should do anything dramatic. Sometimes you can't surgically cut out one single person out of your social circle. I just wouldn't go out of my way to spend one-on-one time with an overtly negative person. It'll fuck your head up in the long run.
/r/seduction01/01/14 03:11 AM
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Looks and attraction isn't everything. Some of the sexiest women are the craziest, and for whatever reason that only makes them hotter, but they will ruin your fucking life. Learn the red flags of crazy, spot them early. QUALIFY women and make them qualify themselves, make that a huge priority. Because life is short and you deserve to only spend your time with the best and most positive people, period.
/r/seduction31/12/13 09:55 PM
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What is this, a Fresh Prince episode? When someone has oneitis, the worst advice you can give is to keep trying to win the girl over in any way. He needs to give her up and never look back. Period.
/r/seduction24/12/13 06:27 PM
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It's feel-good bullshit You said it..........
/r/seduction24/12/13 06:24 AM
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I don't know if this kind of post is allowed here If it is then it shouldn't be. Jesus. I'm depressed now. A marriage pact? Seriously?
/r/seduction24/12/13 06:18 AM
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I think #1 and #9 are really important points, and I've responded similarly in a lot of posts. Especially about so-called shit tests. If you are straight up insulted by a woman and your first thought is "how can I turn this around and still fuck her?", you have zero dignity. To me, that's the epitome of pussy on a pedestal. As for #9, yeah.............I see about 1 post every 2 weeks that legitimately makes me worry for the person. It's a thin line but sometimes people come on here and describe …
/r/seduction24/12/13 06:06 AM
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There's really no ultimate answer for this. You're not just fighting against her own standards, but society's as a whole. The easy seduction-approved answer is that you should've gotten her hot enough and said the right words so that her lust trumped her shame, but the reality is sometimes you do everything "right" and still don't get the desired result. My best advice is to not look at it as a singular failure. Be outcome independent, especially with sex. You had a great time and she's obviousl…
/r/seduction22/12/13 10:55 PM
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You might be overestimating how much "magic" you worked over text. To give you any kind of advice, I'd have to know more about how you met her, how much attraction and comfort you built with her before you started texting, because no matter how strong the texting felt to you, it probably wasn't enough by itself to drop her defenses in person.
/r/seduction22/12/13 06:30 AM
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Nothing wrong with talking about yourself, but I disagree that not doing so comes off as supplicating. I think what OP said is a pretty reliable truism, that people just really enjoy talking about themselves, and generally won't even be aware of the one-sided-ness of the conversation because they're too busy telling their grand life tale to you. And for better or worse, in purely western cultural terms, yapping about yourself is seen as a "feminine" activity. (ie: Don Draper wouldn't do it). Not…
/r/seduction17/12/13 05:07 AM
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I've found the exact same thing. It's crazy how much people will read into your personality if you just don't offer up unsolicited info in conversation. I was with this chick a few weeks ago, post-sex in bed, and she got to talking about her life. I kept asking follow up questions and she kept going on and on, a mile a minute, but it was interesting and she's cool so I was enjoying it. After a while she stops, looks deep into my eyes and goes, "you don't like talking about yourself, huh. Very my…
/r/seduction17/12/13 12:58 AM
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I've done it, with mixed success. I can relate to women who react coldly to gym approaches though because, personally, I go to the gym for an intense workout and I get annoyed when people come up and talk to me, too. It really all depends on her state of mind, just try to calibrate. Obviously if she's one of those dainty girls who just goes to the gym to show off her outfit and do a little light jogging on the treadmill, hardly even breaking a sweat.......go for it. That being said, the water fo…
/r/seduction17/12/13 12:31 AM
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I could get her number from my roommate, but I could see that coming across as slightly creepy. Yeah, that would be pretty try-hard. I think your best bet is to send her a message on FB asking for her #, then ask her out on the phone. That's a good middle ground.
/r/seduction03/12/13 01:46 AM
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Maybe this is a regional/cultural thing, but if you did this in most major cities, you'd be in a fight within the first hour or so. Guaranteed.
/r/seduction03/12/13 01:13 AM
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I came to this community as somewhat of a natural, meaning I've been using rough versions of these techniques to get laid since I was a teenager. I dismissed the online seduction stuff at first, mostly I think because of the connection to Mystery/peacocking/etc, but when I actually started to read some of it I realized that it was all familiar. It was all on point, as far as my anecdotal experience. I realized I was basically like an untrained musician. I could play the instrument but I couldn't…
/r/seduction03/12/13 01:08 AM
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Most definitely. I didn't say it's absolute, I said you get a better mix, which I think is pretty undeniable. There are overlaps, but there's a whole class of women that doesn't go out clubbing. Ever.
/r/seduction01/12/13 04:53 PM
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The main pointers have been covered, so I'll just add that the whole starbucks-menu-girl situation is one of the more esoteric benefits of using the three second rule. Approaching, hesitating, leaving, and then reapproaching is a surefire way to kill any interaction with a girl immediately. Dead on arrival. Unless maybe you own up to it directly and make it the joke, but that's some higher level game. Anyway, like others have said, you did fine just by approaching at this point. Keep it up.
/r/seduction01/12/13 06:35 AM
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I find it better sitting next to them for sure. I'm just saying I don't usually run into any huge kino limitations sitting across, either. I prefer one over the other, I just don't see it as a hard rule in my own game.
/r/seduction01/12/13 06:25 AM
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It sounds like you just caught her with her boyfriend. Once you've been in a relationship for a while, you don't kiss in public or say hello much anymore. He was pissed because you didn't even acknowledge his existence. Either way, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with that line, but delivery is everything. Focus on your vocal tone and body language and see if you can self-critique any of that.
/r/seduction01/12/13 06:20 AM
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This really is a great read, and all on point. I would add that having the "one(s) that got away" is just a part of being an adult in the world. At a certain point it becomes unavoidable, when you put yourself out there enough. Regret and loss builds character. Earn your scars and have something to think about on your deathbed. Like OP said, there are going to be girls you just will never forget no matter how many new ones you meet and experience. How is that a bad thing? You can either let thos…
/r/seduction01/12/13 06:13 AM
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It was a joke. But yeah, there's tons that can go wrong, lol.
/r/seduction01/12/13 01:19 AM
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I know this is a sacred cow here, but I've always found kino pretty easy sitting across. Hands, arms, brushing hair, legs, footsie, etc. Unless you're sitting at king Arthur's roundtable, I really don't see the problem. Most restaurant booths and tables are close enough that it's virtually the same access, and like someone else said, you get to look them in the eyes.
/r/seduction30/11/13 07:14 PM
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dare her to do something crazy at the museum. For example, lead the game by touching something you're not supposed to touch, etc. Make it fun. I'm using this one. She touches a sculpture, I touch her boob. Can't go wrong.
/r/seduction30/11/13 07:09 PM
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Just the neck. Play hard to get.
/r/seduction30/11/13 07:01 PM
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I'm not really a club person, so daygame is my preference. I feel like if you do it the right way (IMO direct, funny, spontaneous), you'll get a better reaction than nightgame because she wasn't expecting it, and genuinely feels part of a romantic or fun moment. When you call later, the connection is so much stronger. You also get a better mix of sweet/shy/nerdy girls who you would never see drunk in heels ”woooing” it up at a bar. That's just my experience, and it seems to somewhat go against t…
/r/seduction30/11/13 02:40 AM
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I think the key question is, what makes you ditch them mid-set? Is there an external reason, something they are doing to disqualify themselves, or do you just have a little voice in your head telling you the bird in the hand isn't worth shit? Like someone already said, ideally your goal should be to close everyone you've opened. No reason to look at it as a zero-sum game.
/r/seduction29/11/13 10:59 PM
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Yeah, like I said I think vagueness is perfectly appropriate before you've slept together. It's understood that you don't know eachother well enough to have any expectations yet, so it's easy to deflect. I was operating under the assumption that you've slept with all 10 in the normal course of dating, then they hit you with the "what are we" question. At that point, she's being direct with you, I think you owe her directness and honesty back, even if it means she walks away and that's the last t…
/r/seduction29/11/13 08:22 PM
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Maybe so. I haven't had much experience with serious resistance either way once they're at that point of wanting to hook up. But I generally offer my place and it seems to be received well. All the times when I've suggested their place, there's always that split second when their eyes go up and they stop to consider it, lol. Maybe I'm misreading and they're really just trying to remember if their bathroom is clean, haha.
/r/seduction29/11/13 08:12 PM
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Yeah. This is why I think it's so logistically important to maintain your own place to go back to when the question arises. Women have a lot of legitimate fears in dating, so even if she genuinely wants to sleep with you, she still may not be 100% comfortable bringing you to her home sweet home. It's just a lot easier to deflate her fears by bringing her to yours.
/r/seduction29/11/13 08:06 PM
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I don't think anyone will deny that it's effective. You'll keep those 7 women on the hook longer than they would've wanted. But the end-game will be a billion times messier when those women get fed up with the vagueness. You've already fucked all 10 once. Why do you need to KEEP fucking all 10? Ideally you've already been out there building up connections with a new set of 10, and the numbers game begins again. No reason to play with peoples' heads unnecessarily. I think we will have to agree to…
/r/seduction29/11/13 08:01 PM
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Welcome to modern dating. Seriously nothing weird about this at all, she just doesn't know you yet and probably isn't comfortable with you knowing where she lives yet. Perfectly reasonable. Kick ass on the date, build comfort, kino, escalate. That's how you earn her trust the right way.
/r/seduction29/11/13 07:53 PM
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This may sound like the most simplistic advice in this thread, but it's the best. You hit the only two events that matter in creating an FWB situation. Fuck her really good, and tell her you don't want a relationship with her. Easy.
/r/seduction29/11/13 07:36 PM
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I agree with some of the stuff you say on here, but this is way off. I'd say keep it vague if you have to until your first sexual encounter with the girl, but after that if you keep up the vague bullshit you're just being a bitch. What, are you afraid she'll want something different and walk away? Not very "outcome independent" of you there, Josh. Like someone else said, do the normal date thing, fuck her really good, then when she asks what the situation is, tell her you like her but don't want…
/r/seduction29/11/13 07:32 PM
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It's awesome that this worked out for you, but I think this is terrible advice to give someone else to try to recreate. You basically friendzone'd yourself with a chick who happens to be okay with fucking her friends. This is a flash in the pan type of situation you found. Most women wouldn't even have spent weeks talking to you online with you without you ever once escalating.
/r/seduction29/11/13 07:25 PM
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Don't ever join the military, lol. Seriously though, it's hard to answer this without knowing more. There's nothing ”mean-spirited” about a locker room mentality, so you have to distinguish between friends joking harshly in jest and actual hateful insults. What's the intent? That's the real question. You might be hanging out with assholes, but you also might just need thicker skin. Hard to tell.
/r/seduction25/11/13 03:24 AM
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I agree, it feels weak to go indirect, especially in daygame context. I never do it. Sometimes I'll open by making a comment about what's going on around us, but that's the farthest indirect I'll go. As far as turning #'s into dates, I think most people here would agree that has less to do with the way you open and more to do with not building enough comfort during the meat of the conversation.
/r/seduction25/11/13 02:56 AM
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There's a difference between giving up and having basic standards, lol.
/r/seduction25/11/13 01:59 AM
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I see this behavior as borderline mental issues, to be honest. This is the type of chick that will have you on the front page of the news with all your friends wondering why all they found was your dick, lol. Besides that, I have a baseline dignity. Some random chick calls me a bitch on my phone, I'm not just gonna keep ”gaming” her like everything's cool. I can fuck her, yeah, but so what? That's not a huge event in my life.
/r/seduction25/11/13 01:58 AM
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I don't think there's any unwritten rule in pickup saying that you have to be a high energy attention whore at all times. It's more polarizing than you think to be the laid back, present guy in a loud, frenetic nightclub.
/r/seduction09/11/13 12:31 AM
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It really depends on what being "ragged on" means. Friends fuck with eachother, make jokes, play the dozens. If that's all it is, you need to learn how to not take yourself so seriously, and not get offended by any of it. This is where "agree and amplify" actually works outside of seduction. If you have thin skin and don't know how to take a joke, people zone in on that and just go a million times harder. But if you are getting cracked on and you know how to laugh at yourself, it pretty much sto…
/r/seduction09/11/13 12:13 AM
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I'm saying that if that's what you see online dating as being, this easier "wide net" process versus the "hard" challenge of going out and meeting women in real life, then you are doomed already. You're letting fear dictate the whole context in which you choose to meet women. You haven't given any examples of your messages that aren't turning into dates, but your results (or lack thereof) show that you're probably doing a ton of things wrong. Things you should be learning by having social intera…
/r/seduction07/11/13 12:02 AM
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There's so many levels of conflicting signals to this. Everyone has already talked about calibration and proper venue. To me, the most glaring issue here is that spirituality/religion is just one of those topics you should stay away from if you are trying to have a broad appeal with women you don't know. It's like going on a long political rant in the middle of a coffee date. Ok, you're passionate about this topic........does this person have to know that RIGHT NOW? While you're still in the bud…
/r/seduction06/11/13 11:52 PM
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I know I need to get out there and meet girls in real life, but I feel like I can cast such a wide net online that eventually I'll catch a good one? Besides clearly not being too great at it, it really sounds here like you're just using online dating as a crutch to avoid approaching women in real life. I think online stuff can be a good side thing IN ADDITION to real live day/night game, especially nowadays since it seems like most of the stigma is gone so actual hot, educated women are using th…
/r/seduction06/11/13 11:31 PM
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Be confident. Everything that goes with that. Eye contact, no hesitation, always assume attraction, etc. Kino/escalation Take the lead. Literally and figuratively. Lead her places, and lead the conversation (frame) Make her laugh Make yourself laugh (self-amusement). If you're not having a good time, you'll put out a weird energy. Every time.
/r/seduction06/11/13 11:01 PM
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You say no to ratchet pussy, jetlag84 can't
/r/seduction06/11/13 10:53 PM
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Did you go to the club with her? Your opening sentences kinda make it seem that way. If you already knew her and she was part of your group, it makes sense that she would be talking to you like a big brother. If she's just some random girl you just met in the club, the dynamic is totally different. Then you can look at it more as a "shit test" of sorts, though I don't think it matters either way. What matters is if you really wanted to sit there and listen to her in the first place. If not, then…
/r/seduction05/11/13 02:29 AM
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Low strength is probably the way to go, lol.
/r/seduction05/11/13 02:12 AM
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This is cringe-worthy. When an alpha wolf is threatened, does he shrug his furry shoulders? Sometimes this sub is nerds leading nerds. If sometime insults you, confront them immediately. If it's a man, ask if they want to fight about it. If it's a woman, tell her it's unacceptable for her to talk like that to you, and you're cutting her out of your life immediately. I'm going to keep giving this advice even though I keep getting downvoted for it, because you guys really have no idea what ”alpha”…
/r/seduction04/11/13 01:12 PM
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What is this ”perfect opportunity” you're looking for? People generally stay in their own personal bubble. You need to change your perspective a little. Approaching and opening are not about capitalizing on some ”perfect opportunity” that has arisen by chance.......it's about CREATING the opportunity. Taking initiative. If you keep waiting for perfect opportunities, in practice you'll just be waiting for women to make the first move when they like you, and that is antithetical to what you should…
/r/seduction04/11/13 12:51 PM
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Oh okay, yeah....I've been on that sub. Just didn't recognize the abbreviation. Honestly I didn't stick around long on there because it's pretty limited to one particular style. Seems more geared to the "GQ" older professional type. Not much....."urban" style, for lack of a better term. There's not much on there that wouldn't get me robbed in my neighborhood, haha.
/r/seduction30/10/13 09:10 PM
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This is great. I can relate to a lot of it as well, recently divorced myself and going through a lot of the same small adjustments. What's MFA?
/r/seduction30/10/13 08:02 PM
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Well, you know the situation and yourself better than we do. I kinda understand what you mean by losing respect.
/r/seduction30/10/13 03:39 AM
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And don't sabotage yourself by telling her you're busy when you've obviously been looking forward to this for weeks. Allow yourself to be vulnerable, make mistakes, and move forward. Was gonna say the same thing. Don't trash the whole date just because you recognize a flaw in the buildup. Own it, laugh about it, let it go. You described putting in a lot of work building comfort with her over a 3-week period of time, and she was into it. If she really makes a huge deal out of a few benign text me…
/r/seduction30/10/13 03:05 AM
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Being military, I go out drinking with mixed groups of male and female co-workers all the time in cities (sometimes countries) where none of us are from, not familiar with the area, etc. That coupled with the fact that sexual assault has become THE biggest issue for top brass the past few years, means that all of us males are more on the alert to protect our sisters from predatory behavior when we're out. When I say "predatory", I mean legit creep shit like slipping stuff into drinks, focusing o…
/r/seduction30/10/13 02:56 AM
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Yes and no. I don't think we have the same definition of "alpha". I think if you genuinely fall in love, that does mean meeting someone in the middle and becoming equals in a partnership of sorts. So if you're basing "alpha behavior" purely on always demeaning a woman to make her feel like you have less interest in her so she'll never leave, I think you've missed the whole point of relationships with the opposite sex.
/r/seduction30/10/13 02:22 AM
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I said he shouldn't stop doing what he's doing (ie: game/confidence) to get the girl. But I don't think any part of "game" means you can't fall in love, or give a girl more than a "tiny bit" of validation. On the contrary, I see game as a great way to get to that point with another human being. It seems like you've been hurt really bad by a particular woman, and I can totally understand that, but you have to see that love and validation is not what makes women leave. You're throwing the baby out…
/r/seduction30/10/13 12:40 AM
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Be confident, keep doing what's been working for you, but don't get so caught up in "the game" that you miss one of the best feelings you can ever have in life. That's all I'm gonna say.
/r/seduction29/10/13 02:40 AM
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This is just crazy thinking to me, I'm sorry. If a girl tells me unprovoked that she's good at blowjobs, I don't care what the fuck I say, there's probably gonna be a blowjob in my near future. In my experience. This whole "shit test" thing really borders on neurotic behavior.
/r/seduction29/10/13 02:33 AM
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He should still listen to us. Always assume attraction. You said it yourself, the worst that happened is..........she wasn't into you. So AT WORST you went on with your life and the world kept spinning. What exactly are you warning him to be careful about?
/r/seduction29/10/13 02:28 AM
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Lmao, man..........just go for it. She definitely likes you. You're golden.
/r/seduction28/10/13 10:15 PM
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"Dear seddit, there's a girl underneath me right now completely naked while I write this on my phone. Do you think she's interested?"
/r/seduction28/10/13 10:04 PM
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I agree. Honestly I was just erring on the positive side and giving him some motivation lol. No reason to not assume attraction at this point. I know personally, I've never had a girl talk about sex to me that wasn't interested in me. Not doubting that it happens. I just tend to see this as a huge green light.
/r/seduction28/10/13 09:10 PM
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I came here about a year ago with much the same attitude as you. Like, Jesus, it's not rocket science. But if you take the time next time you go out to really evaluate and pinpoint all the things you do to successfully pick up chicks with your natural game, you'll see that it's mostly all the same techniques and escalations that are discussed here. Just with actual names. You don't go out and get girls by smiling. You might think that's all you're doing, but in reality there's hundreds of little…
/r/seduction28/10/13 09:06 PM
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You're asking if you should risk a friendship of 8 years for a bartender who already shot him down once, you twice, and who neither of you have even halfway attempted to build any semblance of a connection or rapport with........... I see no holes in this plan. All jokes aside, read the sidebar, start with basics man. There's so much wrong with this, it would be nearly impossible for anyone here to give advice.
/r/seduction28/10/13 08:53 PM
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They're underhand throwing the pussy at you. Enjoy.
/r/seduction28/10/13 12:08 PM
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Watch old episodes of Tough Crowd on YouTube, or listen to any episode of the Opie and Anthony radio show when Patrice Oneal, Jim Norton, Colin Quinn, or Bill Burr are guests. You'll get a master course in teasing. I mean, you don't want to be quite as harsh as they are, but you get the idea.
/r/seduction28/10/13 12:04 PM
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Sure.........I'll make it as detailed as possible from what I remember. I walked into the bank, there was about 4 people in line ahead of me and only 2 tellers, so there was a good amount of time to stand around. The girl directly in front of me was cute, black chick, vintage hipster dress on. That's kinda exactly my ideal girl, so it was a no-brainer to talk to her. The girl at the front of the line was a hoodrat of the highest degree. She had on a tube top that was too small, big ass belly han…
/r/seduction28/10/13 12:28 AM
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As others have said, it's all about comfort and rapport at that point. In my experience, asking a girl to come home with you should be the easiest part of the whole interaction. It just rolls of the tongue because that's clearly the next step in the conversation. If it feels like an illogical next step, or you find yourself trying to convince her, then you obviously haven't put in the right amount of work in building comfort prior to that.
/r/seduction27/10/13 11:47 PM
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I gave you 3 clear examples of you flat out misrepresenting (or for the benefit of the doubt, missing) what was in my original post, and you still haven't addressed that. The only advice of yours that I'm debating is the stuff based on those misrepresentations. So make your advice "congruent" with my actual story and I'll give it the credence it deserves. That's all. And for what it's worth, we can talk outer game semantics, but I think "shit-tests" are one of the most poorly defined and overblo…
/r/seduction27/10/13 05:30 PM
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Day game is so situational, but mostly you have to remember that everyone is, for the most part, on their way somewhere. This is why I never go out for the sole purpose of "picking up women" during the day. If I'm out and about and I pass an attractive woman, I'll flirt with her, run game, but I never go out for that express purpose. I honestly believe if you're just out there wandering around trolling for women in the day, the way you would in a nightclub, your energy is going to come off SUPER…
/r/seduction27/10/13 01:31 PM
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Glad this is getting upvotes. I gave pretty much this same advice in another thread a few days ago and got shit on, lol. But yeah........this really is it. The more you stand up for yourself and just face your fears, the less your fear will control you. In the case of fighting, I think it's all about realistic expectations of the dangers involved. Nobody likes getting punched in the face, so most of us tend to avoid confrontation to some degree. But once you've been punched in the face a few tim…
/r/seduction27/10/13 01:16 PM
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The first one sounds like she's just being playful. Second one sounds like she's being self-conscious. It really is a case-by-case basis with something as broad as this.
/r/seduction27/10/13 01:24 AM
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You should start looking at questions like those as perfect opportunities. She's opening the door for you to show some confidence and control (or at least confirm) the frame that's already obvious to both of you. It's almost a gimme. Just be direct and honest and you got it.
/r/seduction27/10/13 01:10 AM
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It's a good idea if it's what you want to do. Go for it. The only thing I would say is if you're gonna make her take her headphones off, just go for the direct approach. Tell her you see her walking everyday, you think she's cute and wanted to talk to her.
/r/seduction27/10/13 12:56 AM
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Honestly I just don't think you read my original post very well. You say I should've ignored her and changed the subject. But that's exactly what I did. "I didn't even humor these protests...tried to change the subject." It wasn't until she kept being weird about it that I addressed it. You said she lost attraction as if she never had it. If you read my post, you would see that's not what happened at all. Later you advised I used triangular gazing, clearly missing the part when I describe using …
/r/seduction26/10/13 10:50 PM
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Thanks. That's exactly the type of logistical thing I don't consider. TV's are terrible. And yeah, you're pretty dead on about her mindframe as well. She called about 15 min ago and was very apologetic. You could tell she had been beating herself up about it all day today.
/r/seduction26/10/13 10:02 PM
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There are infinite ways to get out of a conversational lull. Comment on something funny happening on the other side of the room. Cold read her profession or where she's from. Bring up an interesting article or film you recently saw. You can even comment on the awkwardness of the lull itself. Just make sure whatever you do is substantive and leads somewhere, and don't fall back on the interview style questioning and you'll be fine. Do you have this same issue when having everyday conversations wi…
/r/seduction26/10/13 09:56 PM
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Nope.
/r/seduction26/10/13 08:36 PM
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Thanks for the advice. The no-dinner thing makes sense, I'll take that. I picked her up because she doesn't have a car (just moved here), but if she did have a car I'd also take that piece of advice. That being said, I don't agree that the kiss reaction was a shit-test at all. She was being open and honest about her reservations, and as I explained, her attraction was still pretty clearly there. She pulled away once, and then came right back. I had her by the waist, her leg over mine, during tha…
/r/seduction26/10/13 08:30 PM
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I don't think is creepy, per se. Goofy as fuck, yes, lol. Something tells me it works best in a foreign country where a language barrier is implied, so there's a reason for the waving instead of talking? I don't know. I doubt it would be as successful in American clubs, but who knows.
/r/seduction26/10/13 06:16 PM
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I kinda see your point, but in this situation I think it would've just gotten a lot colder/awkward if I didn't address it and let her know it was okay.
/r/seduction26/10/13 05:57 PM
7

Thanks, really great input man. This is exactly why I'm here. Since I was a teenager my version of outcome independence has basically been, "I want to fuck her tonight, but if she doesn't let me, I'll just call another girl". I'm starting to realize that that's not really outcome independence, because I'm so tied up in this singular goal. I need to let that go and just enjoy the experience, like you said.
/r/seduction26/10/13 05:21 PM
5

Yeah, I hear you. I wouldn't say I got "angry" necessarily, but I just couldn't pretend I wasn't upset and she saw that. Definitely could've handled that part better.
/r/seduction26/10/13 04:47 PM
1

I think this is one of the biggest and strangest misconceptions in the whole seduction community. Cold approach success may be less common than bars or social circles when you break it down on paper, fine, but that doesn't make it uncommon. I don't find it rare at all to hear stories about cold approaches leading to success..........how many times has a relationship/marriage story started with "she was my waitress and I flirted with her", or "I saw her having trouble with her grocery bags so I w…
/r/seduction26/10/13 01:31 AM
1

You live in a weird nerd bubble if your mind immediately jumps to jail or the hospital from a little fight lmao. We can't even relate on this subject man.
/r/seduction25/10/13 11:24 AM
1

Why would any of those activities be mutually exclusive? It's not an either/or. Pick up chicks, and if an asshole picks on you and won't stop, scrap it up, lose or win, then go back to working on the threesome. Jesus. Some of y'all aren't just scared of women, you're scared of living. Also, the thing you guys seem to still be missing is that this guy is being provoked. He's not out starting bar fights. I'm not suggesting he goes out throwing elbows at random bystanders. Someone is bullying him, …
/r/seduction25/10/13 04:58 AM
2

If you read all his posts, he makes it clear that the provocations are ”aggressive” and specifically aimed at belittling him. Where I'm from and my upbringing, that's crossing a line. Aggressive disrespect? You can dismiss masculinity all you want, but it exists. So does basic courage. Give whatever fluffy advice you want, just know that if he actually follows it, it's not gonna solve a goddamn one of his problems.
/r/seduction25/10/13 04:46 AM
1

It takes just as much time to sulk away and hide in your car. None of these ridiculous rationalizations are going to help this guy.
/r/seduction25/10/13 04:36 AM
4

In buddhism, there's this idea of the raft. Buddhist practice and teaching is like a raft to get you from one shore to another, but once you've already crossed the river, you don't keep carrying the raft with you. You leave it behind you. I think game is a lot like that. For better or worse, there IS something a bit cheesy and embarrassing about being a "seduction student". It implies certain things. Namely that you haven't reached the other side of a river yet. A lot of this stuff is essentiall…
/r/seduction25/10/13 04:15 AM
2

Confirmation bias. For every anecdote you have, I have another about an "ugly" guy who has a hot wife who would go to the ends of the earth for him. Every possible relationship dynamic exists in abundance, trust me. You might "see this a lot", but regardless, your premise is not valid at all.
/r/seduction25/10/13 03:49 AM
1

Yeah, your perspective is all backwards. An hour between texts is completely normal (you should've been doing that before her), and an hour and a half long text conversation is not fun. How can that possibly be fun. You're basically describing my nightmare right now. All the rest of the advice here is dead on. When you meet a girl online or on an app, just do a short exchange and set up a meeting.
/r/seduction25/10/13 03:35 AM
1

Seems like you recognize that the reason you kept getting rejected was dwelling on the first one, along with specifically noticing problems with your voice and body language. So you already know what to work on. Just go back to it with a conscious resolve to do better with those specific issues, don't dwell on rejection, assume attraction, and see what happens. I'd say you also just need to jump in quicker next time. You wandered around building up nervous energy for a whole hour before approach…
/r/seduction25/10/13 03:24 AM
2

If standing up to a bully is the new standard for being a "tough guy"........we've really gone downhill as a gender.
/r/seduction25/10/13 02:19 AM
2

It's not an analogy, it's a simple fact of life. "I might get stabbed" is not a legitimate reason to not stand up for yourself. Just a goofy rationalization for backing down. The worst REALISTIC scenario that could happen is he hits the guy, the guy hits him back, they scuffle and he loses. I guarantee you every single one of his friends will have a newfound level of respect for the whipping boy who finally grew some nuts. And if this guy is as big of an asshole as portrayed, they'll all just sa…
/r/seduction25/10/13 01:34 AM
2

Such a terrible way of thinking. You can get stabbed going to the grocery store. Look, there's a reason this guy is being singled out. This bully smelled weakness on him, and now he's poking at him because he can. His question was ostensibly about how to get or keep respect in this group dynamic............he's already losing respect everytime he just sits there and lets some douchebag run all over him. I know it's not politically correct to say, but violence absolutely solves that. He's not the…
/r/seduction24/10/13 11:56 PM
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Look man, this goes way past this group of friends and what you're trying to do there. You need to stand up for yourself. Losing a fight is way better than just letting some asshole push you around forever. Throw a punch. If all you want to do is "raise your value" and position in a group of friends, fighting will manage to accomplish that, too, but really............just have some basic self-respect as a man. If it's really that aggressive and mean-spirited, throw a punch. Fuck all this "you mi…
/r/seduction24/10/13 10:40 PM
1

Sure, I'll break it down a little and try to point out some differences and what I have incorporated since discovering pickup game. The majority of my pickups have always been daytime cold approaches. If I see an attractive woman on the street, in a store, wherever I'm at, I will almost always approach and try to get her number, flirt with her, or at the very least make a passing comment to make her laugh. Usually if I'm passing a woman on the street, I'll slow down and start looking her up and …
/r/seduction24/10/13 09:35 PM
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