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It’s probably around a third. Maybe as few as a quarter, maybe almost half of men. I’m defining this the way YOU define it - a woman wanting sexual intercourse solely because someone looks so physically appealing. What you are completely missing is that sometimes a man becomes incredibly physically appealing after getting to know him a bit. I think you think Chads have to be appealing the way men look at women - you barely GAF who we are - but our sexuality is truly different. I thought my boyfr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:45 PM
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If you are wired this way (can only respect and desire a man you ‘look up to’ in some way,) it’s all very clear and intuitive. I am. A lot of women are, but surely not all, and plenty have never introspected to be able to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:50 AM
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Yes. It’s a false accusation. She used a thought terminating cliche (at least it can be called thus in these parts) to smear him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:41 PM
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Yes. Women as a whole do not begin their reasoning process on related topics at the *beginning,* which is that our having a vote is new and if men ever organized, they could in fact take that vote back. But Western men will never organize, and in fact so many are being raised in a post patriarchal environment that they are missing key necessary ingredients for resuming their ancestral position in society. What women in the west truly ought to consider is that we are currently inviting men in who…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:28 PM
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Wanting one specific guy who is appealing on multiple planes and WANTS ME TOO, rather than basically being an animal who gets turned on by nice shaped bits regardless is “rigmarole?” This is peak absurdity. And 40% of a population cannot be called an outlier by any definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:13 PM
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What you are missing is that we need to find a specific man appealing to trigger that objectification-style, horny-from-parts mode that you are using as some kind of marker for heterosexuality. Allowing a man inside my body is risky. I need to want HIM. Once we do, we are as voracious as any teen boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:21 PM
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I think you should be glad he has that line.
/r/RedPillWomen09/05/26 01:18 PM
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This is what baffles me every time this conversation happens. Women are only 18-25 once, and there are as many men as women. If you ALL are so driven to derive your happiness from that small slice of humanity, well, sucks to be you. The rest of us who are deeply attracted to people in a range that ages with us have much better odds, and that isn’t touching any social implications.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:31 PM
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You cannot help the first thought, first impulse, your initial reaction. You can and should control what comes next. What you choose to feed mentally is up to you. I nip any thoughts of other men in the bud instantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:09 PM
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A single Y chromosome not cutting it is in no way insane
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 12:13 PM
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Short term only. 20 years of him ignoring small things you ask for will kill that incredible gift
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 11:42 AM
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You are almost right. Totally right that the raw desire makes everything so, so much better. Orgasms come easy and even when they aren’t there the sex is still good. Just having him on you is awesome. Prolongedly relying on this and thinking it’s ok to ignore her orgasm indefinitely WILL erode that intense desire, however. Unless you are so far above her that she’ll never meet another man like you, but in most cases, you’ll fuck up the gift of having a woman drooling for you if you pay no attent…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 11:37 AM
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I’m uncertain whether this is a split in women’s bodies, or in women’s experiences. Based on a lot of conversation and a lot of online reading, I tend to think it’s both, with a strong lean towards experiences. OP and a few other posters here have identified something that is very, very true: when you are experiencing raw desire, the exact same penetration (or tongue) feels truly amazing and triggers orgasm. When it’s just a nice warm level of liking someone sexually, it takes FAR more skill on …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 11:33 AM
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I’m quite literally drooling over my 48 year old boyfriend. Raw desire, the kind people claim women don’t have. But it was a lucky thing that I ever came across him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 05:11 PM
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You seem to be missing that people can be very satisfied and happy, feel respect and desire, and also have a self image that includes loyalty and fidelity - when those things exist together, there is NOT someone better. Because no one better could come along that would offset the pain and strife and loss of love that bailing for “better” would cause. The fact that you could maybe comb the planet and find someone just so exciting that such a partner would leave doesn’t mean it’s at all likely. Li…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 05:07 PM
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A cast iron chicken fryer, a GE indoor smoker, a specific cake pan I asked for, and a few other things. It was a wonderful Christmas.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/26 11:56 PM
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Those men your dad’s age? They grew up in a very different era from what the current young men have experienced. They weren’t threatened by female strength because theirs wasn’t also being torn down, and still had a whole lot of male institutions they could take for granted. As for the women wanting a traditional relationship… there are plenty of women who have realized that pouring yourself into generating shareholder value is no more intrinsically fulfilling than sewing dresses and baking brea…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 03:36 PM
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It seems pretty clear to me that we took a whole lot of male centric and male only resources away, made it easier to live without dad in the home, and then pretended that men and women are essentially the same and men didn’t need that kind of framework.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 02:25 PM
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That is no reason to EEEWWWWWW it, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:37 PM
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Legislation is not even a possibility. It is true, however, that there is an online surge is disapproval of age gaps that is very odd. There have always been women who are attracted to older men (and not just men who are hot who happen to be older.) I’m one of them. I push back whenever I see the demonization of age gaps between 21+ year old adults, but I’m now the minority voice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:35 PM
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My sexuality is for me and the one man I’m in a romantic relationship with. That’s it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:52 PM
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Women being attracted to maturity separate from a straight up financial arrangement is a very old, very real thing. My own age ceiling is 20 years older. I’m far more attracted to men about a decade ahead of me than my own age. It’s a variation of normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 01:39 PM
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If we can keep modern standards not tolerating domestic violence, I could be convinced
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:05 PM
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Introverted men are just fine. Some of us prefer them. Men who are clueless, robotic, avoid eye contact and can’t read cues are not. They have to be able to interact well, but they don’t have to enjoy it like a real extrovert would. I don’t need ANY preselecting or for him to be able to give anyone else tingles, only me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 09:22 PM
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There is some element of truth to your last paragraph. I don’t go after people who are clearly out of my league; not only do I not pursue them, the deeply practical part of my brain doesn’t even allow them as an option. Women like me do not waste time being attracted. Ironically, that also undercuts a key RP tenet - that we are all chasing the same few men. We aren’t, because most of us aren’t actually idiots. All it would take is a similar slice of women (10-30%) chasing Chad to make it appear …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 09:53 AM
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I am the same way. It’s carriage, intelligence, humor, a unique skill, great competence at something - all of these have taken a man from “mid” at first glance to very appealing by the end of the date. It’s also why I can never fully sympathize with men reciting the usual RP cant about women chasing hot/rich men only, and that’s why they are alone. Buddy, what you are actually telling me is that there is nothing highly developed or unique about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 10:22 AM
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It was bonding over sci-fi in one case, and the second was an incredible kisser. Your worldview is so impoverished.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 02:35 AM
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I am not going to take the usual route of swearing that women can lust after totally average men. What people refuse to see, or maybe it’s too hard to account for, is that something special about an otherwise average man can spark the interest that leads to closeness that creates real desire. That’s going to totally vary on what particular thing pushes a particular button for her. Two of the men I have dated and had hot, active sex with have fallen squarely into that category, alongside others w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 05:48 PM
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What matters about ideology is the real world impact. Is X happening in this community? Not whether the text explicitly (or implicitly) makes a particular statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:39 PM
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The toys are used with fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 10:35 AM
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Because a whole lot of us are wired so that you are trading a brief thrill for lengthy pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 02:39 PM
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I think you are being deliberately obtuse about this. Certainly, you are pretending that it’s ‘resenting the enjoyment of sex’ to simply not want your buddies to have had your wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 01:58 PM
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How convenient this belief system is. You know what women really want. If they say they don’t want it, they are lying. You can’t lose. It’s remarkably similar to religion in that it does not respond to firsthand evidence against it, but instead retrenches.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:47 PM
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This post is true, and you seem to understand something OP doesn’t. We had no choice, for a very long time. Now that we do have a choice, some women will take that deal. Others won’t. Red pill chooses to simplify because it’s better for what they are selling, and works often enough for that purpose, but women have different sets of motivations and some will straight up do homicide if their man shares their dick with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:28 PM
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We dont want hot and rich! We want loyalty and real intimacy!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:23 PM
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This is a good reply. Plenty who are struggling and don’t have real intimacy and trust anyway might say yes. For them it’s a matter of opportunity cost, not a quantifiable loss of something they already had .
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:17 PM
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We do not all dream of not working. I personally dream of the Star Trek future. We will work quite hard in a system that ensures basic needs are met, and allows maximization of potential. Not cramming your natural talents into whatever shape maximizes shareholder profits and hoping your tiny cut is enough to pay for a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:15 PM
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Someone who is intimate with people they “barely like” is by definition unappealing. You are very sure we are very transactional, and will refuse to integrate any conflicting feedback.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:12 PM
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Society itself has shifted. Clubs, societies, even bowling leagues are greatly shrunk from past eras. And if you are the first or last of your childhood circle to have a major circumstance shift, like having kids and being unable to party, it can happen that way too. Terminally being online is a symptom.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:25 PM
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That last paragraph is wild. One fairly bland word as a proxy for an entire value system? I tend to agree that words matter. I also like the gendered terms, gf/bf, husband, wife. That said, this all reads like just another thing that people who hate change are getting mad about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 11:40 AM
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The last statement is the key. OP, and a lot of people, don’t seem to be able to tell when women are and are not attracted. Loss of attraction is a real and permanent cause of dead bedroom, and in that case, OP is right. But it’s NOT the only cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 12:15 PM
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Because the men were in charge!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:23 AM
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The tiny slice of upper middle class around NY and LA are irrelevant to most of us
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 09:47 PM
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They are faking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:06 PM
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You say that, but the exciting girls who are on the far end of the crazy/hot scale get a thousand times more attention than the ones who are just pretty, but also steady and loving.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:00 PM
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It’s not at all pointless when people are advocating for sweeping societal change based on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:58 PM
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Yes, it does. We don’t GAF about being able to pull tail. We want someone who loves us and is faithful to is, and that takes real time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 01:39 PM
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I can only speak from my own experience. I had a breast deformity. I was WILDLY insecure during intimacy, limited in tops I could wear and hunched over. It bled over into my general confidence. At 35 I finally had it surgically fixed and it improved my life massively. Just massively. I should have gone into debt for it years before.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 04:43 PM
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Skanks talk like that. This is the problem with young terpers… they don’t even realize they are selecting for a certain type of woman in the first place, either by their social group, neighborhood or just their taste. Then, wow, red pill is true, these hoes act just like it says.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 04:34 PM
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It’s because while looks are definitely important, to some women, a dad bod on a well built broad shouldered frame + handsome face is just as attractive as a gym rat. It’s not very different from how some men are truly into women whose butt and thighs are straight up overweight but have a pleasing shape. Add in being sexy in other ways and suddenly you get some goggles where you notice the shoulders wayyyyy more than you notice the paunch.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 04:30 PM
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You’re making the usual mistake of seeing a be our and believing it’s universal, or close to universal. Also, of refusing to look deeper into that behavior All of the pregnant women who spend 12 hours a day on their feet in a store, warehouse, or plant, who then get a max of 6 weeks unpaid/partially paid leave before they have to go back to work PLUS assume increased responsibility with reduced sleep are just erased because you saw some UMC whiners taking their pregnancies too seriously Whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 07:39 PM
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Dude, you are flat wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 01:18 AM
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But we don’t value casual sex. I literally do not care about some guy wanting me, because it’s so cheap and plentiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 12:20 PM
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If they had been robbed repeatedly by black people (or any subset of people) since their early teens, they would naturally be more cautious. That isn’t the same as treating them poorly when interacting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:13 PM
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No. You are too far into TRP if you straightfacedly claim that sex with others isn’t cheating. MOST women are as devastated by it as men are
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 01:39 AM
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This is an outstanding reply! We have swung pretty far out on the reactionary side of the pendulum that most can’t really be logical about this. IMO, bikini pics as such aren’t helpful or necessary, and if we are honest with ourselves we can tell which ones are incidental (beach action shot etc) and which ones are thirst traps. Both from the poster POV and the liner POV.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 09:41 PM
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Congrats. Least accurate post I’ve read all week.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 01:37 AM
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As a nearly 40 year old who has been through a whole lot of makeup… I would know her skin texture is drastically different, she isn’t naturally rosy, her eyes are smaller and duller, as are her lips. Go back and actually look at each feature and notice how every single one is paint. Really look.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 11:09 PM
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Only to people who are clueless about makeup and how it changes the face…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 11:04 PM
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We had children who literally starved. Children who were packed into orphanages, few of which had a real chance at adulthood. Orphan trains. Kids begging on the corners. We’ve solved this, 80%. Why are you so eager to punish women who behave in a way you don’t like that you would be willing to bring back such a massive chunk of human suffering?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 12:33 AM
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You have been horribly twisted, dude. You are also guaranteeing no real intimacy exists. Maybe you can find women who don’t need it - they exist. But that in itself ups your likelihood of the relationship failing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 03:29 PM
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If I like him enough to show him my most intimate parts, I like him enough to be my boyfriend. So nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 01:26 AM
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Not if they put some thought into that bio. The vast majority do not, but my boyfriend did. A specific turn of phrase catches my eye and tells me I am dealing with someone whose insides work like mine. I actually didn’t even find him particularly attractive until 4 dates in. Then the physical chemistry became apparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 05:42 PM
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Dude. Nowhere does that state % of teens who have been pregnant. It’s sexual activity, which I did NOT state was garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 11:21 PM
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You pulled the pregnancy stat out of your ass. It’s laughably untrue, particularly when you later note that only 40% had sex in high school. Numbers mean something, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 08:05 PM
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Wife goggles. The teaching is that is you marry him young, and keep him satisfied, he will always see you through wife goggles - not in the cold hard light of post wall day. Honestly, it’s one of the few concepts from RP I like. Because it’s a variant of how we see people that we love as beautiful, even if they aren’t.
/r/ExRedPill15/08/22 01:25 AM
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I disagree, despite this being kind of accepted nowadays. Some people have a very strong drive for partnership. It is, in a very real way, as if part of them is missing. No matter what the current view on mental or emotional health might be, some people are meant to be married and to characterize someone built that way as a loser is disappointing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 11:46 PM
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When was free prostitution available for 12+ hours a day for millions of average men? You are deliberately ignoring the ubiquity of free porn now by drawing the false comparison to getting a $20 hooker once a week in 1990
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:41 PM
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Goggles are very, very real. I think people who have never connected with someone, and suddenly find them very desirable when it was previously NOT the case, just don’t get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 01:26 PM
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Wat? We adore broad shoulders.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:30 PM
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This is what they all miss. My current boyfriend was not very appealing on date 1. Overweight, high voice. But he is smart and active and stuff that he had no idea was hot IS hot, like being capable and passionate in several areas of interest. By date 4 I was seeing him as handsome. Now I can’t keep my hands off him and am crazy about him. Because he pushed MY buttons.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 04:36 PM
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I certainly do. As I find out more appealing things about him, I become attracted. Opposite also very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 06:18 PM
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Thank you. This thread is like the twilight zone. I just broke up with a man I adore. I miss him intensely. But he has no libido, and I would lie next to him and ache with the need for sex. This is a spectrum, not average vs not average.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 08:01 PM
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Interesting. Not having female friends is a plus for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 09:56 PM
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The fuck it doesn’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 10:43 PM
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First, I don't have a "revulsion" as much as a distaste, and only for men who regularly see prostitutes. Not a dude who ever paid a hooker once or rarely, and when he was unattached. It isn't a dealbreaker. But the distaste IS due to being threatened. Whether it is because what I have to offer is devalued, or the institutions surrounding what I have to offer being devalued, I think that it is a fair description. It is a direct threat to the ideal of lifetime monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 05:08 PM
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Yeah. Adam and Eve. Perfect man, perfect woman, perfect place to live, personal relationship with God, literally only ONE thing they were forbidden... ...she still wanted more, and damns mankind. Pretty red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 08:21 PM
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Hmmmmm. My husband and I are solidly middle class in income, education and lifestyle. But I come from very rural, working class, VERY practical people, and agree completely with the core of RP. Maybe this stuff "works" on me due to my background?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 04:08 PM
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It was meant to place the trainwrecks here in perspective. A young'un who finds TRP, is disgusted and then finds MRP next and hasn't been in marriage forums doesn't have that. And also meant to say look, these guys have developed an approach to a problem that others aren't even trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 12:44 AM
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What is going on. I leave PPD for a while, come back and I agree with many QW posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 11:52 PM
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Well, sure, the marriages in MRP are bad or at least start out that way. How much have you read in mainstream marriage forums? I am going to wager it isn't much. Their success rate isn't good. Not divorcing doesn't mean a gold star relationship, no kidding. But a marriage where the wife has lost attraction is quite literally guaranteed to fail, given only typical approaches. I speak from a place of experience, as someone whose marriage was saved by the RP sphere (not TRP.) We aren't outliers and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 11:49 PM
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That last bit is really the most important, when it comes to MRP and these types of marriages. The blue pill/the world at large has nothing to offer but divorce. And they are proud of it, since they've successfully devalued lifetime marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 11:08 PM
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My husband has THE WORST camera smile. It totally distorts his face and makes it look super fat in pictures. I do not understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 05:34 PM
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They outearn black men, are better educated and live longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 12:44 PM
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Aren't black women better off than black men in that respect? There is a 20 point obesity difference between black men and black women, which just screams gender, not socioeconomics.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 01:59 AM
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It doesn't, of course. I was more objecting to the characterization of providership as necessarily excluding genuine feelings. I realize RP portrays it that way, and why. I apologize if I misunderstood you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 06:55 PM
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If he smells like he just found TRP a couple of weeks ago and is "trying out" some "tactics," then I would try to be encouraging (or, I think I would if I was available. I'm not.) I'm old enough that even if I was back in the SMP terpers wouldn't be approaching. Maybe Dalrock readership.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 04:25 PM
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A whole lot of marriages are partly providership - because that is just a thing between men and women - but also largely affectionate and not sexless.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 04:06 PM
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Lower class women can eat smaller portions. They can eat canned veg, tuna, and use a measuring cup. My background is as white trash as it comes and calorie counting still worked, I still lost 50 lbs while eating the foods people claim magically make you fat, and I'm still thin now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 12:18 AM
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Eye rolling. Mostly ignorable. I forget five minutes later. Occasionally even flattering, if it is closer to clever than just crude, or the guy in question is appealing at all. The only time that the language in the OP becomes appropriate is if we are talking about someone with a great deal of power, and frankly I am old enough to manipulate that well enough to protect myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/16 04:28 PM
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.2% was the old estimate. Now its up to .6%, and that is everyone who identifies that way, including a handful of bandwagoners and people who just dress. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/health/transgender-population.html
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 07:56 PM
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Which means you lean globalist. All well and good even to most people, until your governor tells you STFU about the dramatic damage to property values and increased crime rates close to massive immigrant centers, and to "find another state" if you have a problem with it. Many, many many people are not ready to accept trouble in their own lives to accommodate newcomers that are uninterested in our values, in assimilation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 06:44 PM
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This is true about the Reddit Trump brigade. It isn't true about the formerly faithful Dem vote that was turned in the upper Midwest. Not true at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 06:36 PM
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Couldn't he have done that without spending millions of dollars of his own money, subjecting himself to character assassination both legit and false, and keeping up a very difficult schedule flying all over the country over the last few months?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 02:05 AM
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I think that he respects women as much as they deserve. Sometimes, they don't deserve it. The discourse in society right now is that we deserve something more than basic human respect, "respect for women" (lots of tie in to the pillsphere.) I also believe that the playing field is already level. Harassment is nebulous and the laws already prohibit it. The wage gap has been discussed ad nauseum, so I'll just say that I do not (and many Trumpers do not) want any further pressure on good people and…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 11:38 PM
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Why is he, in your words, "anti woman?" All that I have seen is the kind of sexual entitlement that is completely normal in the super wealthy, super successful. And you are talking about a guy who hasn't had 30 years to sterilize his life for political campaign level scrutiny. The Clintons have, and our candidate's husband is freaking twinsies with Trump, and from where I sit the candidate herself fully enabled it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 11:00 PM
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Are you prolife or prochoice? Pro life. Would you personally get an abortion if you found yourself pregnant today? No. Would you have an abortion if you wanted to keep it, but y our husband/boyfriend told you to have an abortion? No. If you found yourself inconveniently pregnant and wanted to abort it, would you keep it if your husband/boyfriend told you to keep it? This is impossible because I would not want to abort it. If I somehow began wanting to abort it, I would have undergone a fundament…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 08:55 PM
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Voting Trump. The off color, racial comments are no worse to me than Clinton telling her own Secret Service to "fuck off" and generally being one person on camera and someone else off camera. I want a conservative Supreme Court. I'm pro life. Clinton used the State Department to get rich. She might be calmer headed, but her ultimate motivations are not patriotic or aligned with Americans - she wants a "common hemispheric market."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 05:36 PM
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Margery Tyrell.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 09:21 AM
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The problem isn't that it is unattainable. It is that you'll never believe she only did that with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 09:14 AM
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Goldblum really is excellent, isn't he?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 03:07 PM
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I like Christoph Waltz, too. He doesn't get enough fangirling.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 03:06 PM
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I'm a Cumberbatch fan. Also Henry Cavill. But those two actually look a bit young for my ideal preference, which would be Iain Glen Oh! And my god, Rufus Sewell. EDIT forgot one! Toby Stephens!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 03:02 PM
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I'm only one person, but I did not feel that way. I still had quite the sex drive. Just not towards the person I was allowed to have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 12:50 AM
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What rights do you believe Christians want to take away? Abortion would be the only one I can think of, and that is hotly contested within and without. I've also been married for a decade. The women with whom I "hang" largely converted without any apparent changes in their life, just internal improvements and the addition of church attendance/prayer. You are really, really making huge sweeping judgments, and I wonder where exactly it is coming from. People's comprehension of feminism (and its ef…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 06:41 PM
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I think he is referring to the subconscious tendency to protect the female... dynamics and decisions are altered when you have mixed gender teams. The men literally behave differently, and it isn't something you can train out of them in boot camp.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 05:47 PM
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This is a wonderful example of leftist hate/distaste/disgust. I see far more live and let live from my conservative Texas relatives than I do from "women like you." You cannot conceive that someone can look at the same picture as you and draw a different conclusion. I tried your way, for a decade. It sucked. I entered a church very recently. EDIT: Obviously I need to work on turning the other cheek. Just consider that brainwashing isn't the only reason a woman could prefer the old ways, and bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 05:36 PM
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I don't know that I'm a fundamentalist, but I support traditional Christian mores. And those include a loving but hierarchical marriage model. It isn't much different than RPW, except that you don't have the out of divorce and you believe that the dynamic works because God designed it (rather than an evo psych explanation.) Labelling it "second class citizenship" only makes sense if you believe that you need to do everything men have done in order to be happy, fulfilled, actualized, or "first cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 04:56 PM
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Yes there would be a difference. That thread was nuts. One ranges from neutral, lacking only pleasure up to kinda gross, whereas the other is wholly repulsive and fundamentally unacceptable. I know its de rigueur to describe sexual orientation as fluid or malleable, but that is flatly untrue for some of us. You may get some overlap at the extreme ends, meaning a guy who is skin crawlingly nasty, or a rape, etc. EDIT: Hilariously, this is in my top controversial posts. It keeps getting a couple o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/16 01:44 AM
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It is sexually arousing, creates respect and creates a feeling of safety. I'm religious and I believe that we are built with complementary roles as part of the design. Putting that aside, I would have to theorize that dominant male/neutral or submissive female pairings must have succeeded very well over time. Whether the sexual component or the social came first is anyone's guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/16 01:37 AM
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I would word it differently than him. Its not that we "can't" understand that pain. Its that humans in general don't give a shit about the pain of people that we don't... well, give a shit about. So once the man in question becomes a non-sexual, non-desirable being in her eyes, she gives zero fucks that he hurts, and devotes zero mental space or empathy to it. The narrative that no one deserves sex, your husband isn't entitled to anything etc come in too, once she gets bitching to other women ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 01:34 PM
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You really think a heterosexual man allowing another man to fuck him is no different from a woman deciding to sleep with a guy that doesn't get her wet, in terms of mental impact?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 01:30 PM
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I don't know about that. One threatens the person's entire self image.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 12:17 PM
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Him putting his foot down, and feeling so strongly about something patriarchal is what earned him respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 11:11 PM
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Now see, I'm not trying to target you. But I just read your list, and wives don't want you alone with their husbands. Can you really not see that some woman's husband should NOT be hanging out alone with a woman who is always aroused? This is another level of temptation above what most male/female friends deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 06:48 PM
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Since the political elite are largely leftists, or openly kowtow to leftists just to avoid being labelled ist or ism (I'm talking about most Reps there) the shaming from that side is more powerful, and accepted. Do you see it differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 06:15 PM
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I took his name. If I ever remarried, I would take that man's name, also. Now my husband is very blue pill. Very laid back, also, not at all heavy handed with authority. So when we were engaged and I said I wanted to keep my maiden name, I was shocked when he got all crazy eyed and said NO. You take my name. He got some respect for that, and I'm certainly glad now that I've reddened and have had kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 04:18 PM
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This is what people, even in this thread, are completely missing. Within the last year, I have lost all concern for being shamed. I've been called racist in the aggregate and even occasionally individually for things which are most assuredly not racist. I've been called sexist and homophobic for citing black and white stats in a non-inflammatory manner... the left cannot see that they have overused what was once an effective tool. It means nothing to many of us now, and can in fact galvanize us …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 03:12 PM
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Female. I used to be high BMI. Like 32. It sucked, I was not happy with it. My husband was normal, ~25. I lost a bunch of weight between 1 and 2 years ago. Now BMI 22. I'm an hourglass although not a dramatic one (waist could be narrower, stretched out lower belly from 3 kids and weight loss.) I am much happier. MUCH. I did it doing CICO, the only thing that ever worked (I was and am rigorous with it, no halfassing.) Now my husband is overweight, BMI 28. Not muscular.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 01:39 PM
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It is an innately leftist trait to believe they can ignore, deny or alter fundamental human characteristics. Young men without food or sex get violent. Video games are delaying the ultimate payday, but it will still come.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 01:52 PM
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I'm kind of scratching my head at your response. I acknowledge that people focus on the aggressiveness, but that isn't really the core of what women in general find compelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 06:15 PM
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It isn't about the posturing. It is whether a man can act effectively when needed. This can often translate to violence or physical strength, but not always. Passivity/ineffectiveness vs competence/action are vaguer and less interesting than talking about violent men getting women wet, but it is more accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 03:47 PM
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They aren't really surprised. There is a lot of virtue signaling from men, and myopic shrieky outrage from women who already disliked him. Hardcore pragmatists and realists and those who really, REALLY don't want Hill don't give a shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 12:38 AM
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It was sarcastic-ish. A comment that back then, women had the same childbirth-related obstacles that we use as excuses now, but they were on average much thinner. What is different is that now you have to consciously make choices to stay thin, whereas the environment more or less ensured it in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/16 02:26 PM
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How does the semen differ between a man in love and a man just fucking, and what is the mechanism by which the woman's body tells the difference/derives benefit? How are things affected if he loves her but pulls out? I've got to tell you, I'm usually all too ready to buy anything that argues for committed monogamous bareback sex, but I really can't find anything even plausible here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/16 01:38 AM
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It worked on me. Shaming used to work. Only reason it doesn't now is because we have taught our kids to reject anything that hurts their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 03:07 PM
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Because women never had surgery or birth injury or childcare in the 1950s, when we were on average 30lbs lighter. Life sucks. If you are fat, you may get called fat. Concocting a completely delusional narrative around it is laughable, but it fits with the times. We reject anything that makes us feel bad. I was quite fat after our second child. I lost 70lbs calorie counting and with little exercise at first.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 03:05 PM
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It began with Marilyn Wann and Linda Bacon and progressed to literal 300lb unfeminine women demanding the same treatment as disciplined 120lbers. They have also concocted an entire alternate reality surrounding health outcomes, but that is irrelevant here. Husbands postings pics of post baby wives is the most innocuous part of the whole movement. There are many, MANY legbeard FAs who out and out state that it is wholly acceptable for them to demand conventionally attractive men, but fatphobic an…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 03:01 PM
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It exists in this fragile state of things - when everyone's bellies are full, and all of the men have forgotten that they could take back control in an instant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 02:55 PM
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This is what those who want to throw out all of the norms don't get. We have ameliorated it with porn, gaming and cheap calories. But if those things somehow become unavailable and there is no availability of or respect for marriage and fatherhood, well, you get violence. Over and over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 02:55 PM
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Those might qualify.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 09:52 AM
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I would immediately find him a virgin or near virgin girl and lovingly supervise their courtship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 01:45 PM
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I am married with three kids, and I work (for now.) So not a lot of hanging out. Sundays till 1pm are in church. I adore my parish. After years of bleh agnosticism, its amazing. Friday/Saturday night my husband and I will (rarely) go out, otherwise we are at home with our kids. Fun solo time for me is a long drive, train ride or walk to explore a bakery supply store, bookstore, or once a year weekend with a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 01:44 PM
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It would bother me less. Now it would still be devastating. Our lives together would be over - I might be able to forgive het adultery if I believed he was repentant, but gay sex means irreconcilable forever. Even with all of that, it would be less painful than being with another woman. Like /u/DrunkGirl69 said, it would just be something within him I could literally do nothing about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 10:18 PM
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My first instinct is to say No Way!! Guy A 4evar!! Because I am possessive, and very much value fidelity. But there is a point at which that would shift. If Guy B was a 9 in looks and resources and could greatly enrich our lives and launch our kids' lives, AND could be very discreet... well, no mistresses. ONS type stuff only that take nothing in romance or resources from our family. So I wouldn't be part of a harem for any money, but I admit total monogamy could be sacrificed. It is just that G…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 04:53 PM
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You have a lot fewer aspirations when you are working at hard physical labor from sunup to sundown.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 01:47 PM
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If I ever end up single again, I am going to be looking for the sardonis70 types. I'm 33 and I just can't handle "the new norm."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 06:37 PM
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I hear a bit of blame shifting regarding the flunking out. It is fine and dandy to realize that you do better face to face. That doesn't mean you can't buckle down and pass what you are taking now - presumably thousands of dollars worth of credit hours - even though it is more difficult for you. I see that your flair says monk mode. Do you have a particular plan and end goal with a time frame? Are you looking to marry straight from your parents' home, or something else?
/r/RedPillWomen04/10/16 01:10 AM
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No debt. Don't float through life acquiring boyfriends and hoping one sticks. Be VERY choosy with the sex and keeping that # down. Look for mid 20s men who are wife shopping, and show them that you bring emotional maturity and physical youth to the table. At that age I still knew some religious women who were good examples of being a helpmeet - a supportive, competent steward at home who followed their husbands' leadership and built them up, never tore them down. I would tell myself to learn fro…
/r/RedPillWomen04/10/16 12:55 AM
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Metformin is really, really helpful. I lost 20lbs on it back in my "obvious" PCOS days. Breaks that insulin resistance cycle that leads to the huge gut. But like others said, rigorous calorie counting will shift pounds. You just don't get to choose where it comes off.
/r/RedPillWomen04/10/16 12:50 AM
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Interesting to hear how many will say yes, sign me up for fucktoy status. But in the end, men aren't women and women aren't men. Our obstacles and needs are different. Reds are comfortable with double standards, because they are really just different standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 12:42 AM
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35-45 for me, provided he is fit and has some life direction. I don't like them looking all that young. Really don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 05:23 PM
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Woman. Grew up very religiously (Jehovah's Witnesses.) Left, spent over a decade rather agnostic. Just, no feelings. Have in the past six months returned to religion - Eastern Orthodoxy. Yes, my beliefs affect how I treat people, how I relate with men, how I believe men and women should function in romantic relationships. But there is a distinction: my observations of what actually works was a major driver in what turned me back to God. Not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 11:15 PM
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The only people using the term sex worker are very liberal folks who don't want to insult anyone, and sex workers themselves. Escort I'll give you. But that is a particular kind of prostitute. Something being unpleasant sounding/feeling does not make it a slur. The observation of such is not moralizing, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 10:27 PM
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Hooker, streetwalker, whore are slurs. Prostitute is not. There is no pretty word for selling sex. If you find a nice word and start using that, pretty soon, it will be ugly too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 09:34 PM
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Yes, the marriage comes first. It feels icky to say "prioritize husband over kids," but you and your spouse are meant to be one flesh. EDIT: The marriage is the house in which you raise your kids. You can't neglect it. Yes, that means mom putting Dad first (and Dad should put Mom first, but the two don't look exactly the same.)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 12:14 AM
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Any trend/frequent fact is important, if your actual goal is to reduce girls getting raped. Or robbed. Or whatever. People can and do make different choices if they know the actual risks (which are very foggy on this subject, on purpose. And I'm not even talking about the race part, just the violent rape part.) EDIT: If you are a political animal, and you are at once invested in both getting people whipped up over rape, AND never casting aspersions on black men, can't you see how this becomes re…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 12:49 AM
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She is saying most violent rapes are perpetrated by black men. And that right now, that fact can never be acknowledged, even if it would help reduce actual incidence. They aren't inherently worse. I don't even think Atlas thinks that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 12:38 AM
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I understand the wider picture. There are a number of mature female posters in those subs who understand it quite well. I'm willing to acknowledge that there may be some starry eyed younglings who find their way into RPW, focused only on pleasing their man, who are unaware or uncaring of the history involved. As for the rest, you are making the assumption that women over there can't possibly realize that a (small percentage) of us decided that they wanted something in particular, worked for it, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 11:31 AM
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Yes. For women, anyway. We are arguably the prettiest while very young. But mid 20s and on every single other racial background looks better than us.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/16 01:45 AM
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You guys keep saying that. I see no evidence that confidence, masculinity, an awareness of women's faults and being willing to go against the current social narrative won't work on most women. But this is discussed ad nauseam elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 02:03 PM
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Sure, plenty will reject based on that. Which leaves those who are already lacking in respect for commitment. Perfect for ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 01:58 PM
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Some red pill men want LTRs. For them, women who proactively seek out taken men are obviously bad bets. AWALT is a set of tendencies, not the degree to which any given woman displays them, and also does not describe other social or cultural standards which can be inculcated in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 01:56 PM
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Are you referring to domestic discipline re:the Christian couples?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 05:22 PM
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Yes. Women can change. It generally happens if they align themselves with a non mainstream subculture (RPW or specific religions are the relevant examples here.) The values they learn there become more important than those in the larger culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 01:25 PM
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I am sorry to hear that. I'll acknowledge that some bad behaviors are encouraged in the comment sections of some threads. It is also well known that the angry period many of them go through is... ugly. I've never seen anything horrible in any sidebar material, however. How would his side of the story sound?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 06:02 PM
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I believe, based on my own experience, that the situations in which someone with a "good woman" finds TRP, is unable to frame it appropriately for his own situation, takes things too far and damages said good woman are vanishingly rare. Men find TRP because they already have a problem. It may be that there are some sweet girls who fall for red pill men and walk a harder path because of it. But how many of those men would have been unappealing and supplicating without TRP, and thus could not have…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 05:27 PM
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Why? If she is sexually enthusiastic and available, he'll never use hard dread. If she is faithful, see above. If she is rational and pleasant to be around, he'll never withdraw attention. The only point that I can see truly damaging a good woman is if marriage and kids were on the table when they met, and taken off the table once she was already in love with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 04:12 PM
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Women's sexual agency does not trump society building. I do acknowledge, however, that it may well be that the social safety net stays strong enough that we never feel the real repercussions of our sexual liberation. Section 8 and food stamps alone let inner city black and hillbilly white girls have all of the uncommitted, nonmonogamous sex they want. And they don't much care that their children's lives are worse by most metrics than those of their married peers, because again, that safety net.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 01:39 PM
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The hate and misinformation are merely a reflection of how far off the reservation we've gone in the larger culture. Of course, if you don't mind marriage rates plummeting, a ~40% divorce rate, double digit partner counts and the whole laundry list that gets discussed here, then naturally the red pill will seem particularly distasteful, since you see no need for a correction in the first place. I do see such a need. I also see a need for more RPW type materials, because we are swimming against t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 11:22 PM
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Interesting that something so powerful could be purely cultural. For the most part, I'm as level headed and rational a woman as you'll find. The green eyed monster, however, feels like a tornado ripping through my mind, and my tendency is not towards the hot, passionate sex that Rollo et al describe. I burn it all down.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 11:08 PM
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Than terpers. There are still guys that aspire to be patriarchs, and that certainly means a wife figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 07:27 PM
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Now this is one I wish we could somehow measure. I have too much pride, kind of masculine-style, to share. No matter how hot he gets me. I've also been cheated on and I remember that hot knife in the gut feeling. So no. This may be one that gets exaggerated a bit. Women dump alpha bucks over mistresses. Not all women, of course, but it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 06:40 PM
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/end thread
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 06:25 PM
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Any sexual activity or lifestyle involving a man using a woman's body where he is in control and she is exclusive to him is what is "normal" over there, LTR wise. Getting cucked is viewed firstly as an insult and second as a symptom of how fucked up the normal interplay has become.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 03:37 PM
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This is a reasonable way of approaching this discussion. Western society has been far from that for many thousands of years, however. Women were treated better in Celtic and Anglo cultures (in general) than many African and Arab environments. We have not had harems, sexual slavery and the like since we've had recognizable cultures. We've had monogamy, serial or lifetime, with all of the protections that provided a woman. When we talk about real, modern rape cultures, modern PC folks want to act …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 03:33 PM
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It has not been proven over and over again. This is like African war zone type frequency. Apply some common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 03:27 PM
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I also support keeping all identities anonymous until/unless there is a conviction
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 03:04 PM
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Liking younger girls makes sense from an evo psych standpoint. Letting another guy cum in your wife does not. TRP defends what they define as normal male sexuality, because that is what is being attacked. You can fight over what is "normal," but you know good and well what TRP considers normal, so they are not being internally inconsistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 02:37 PM
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MOST women will cheat. We can fight about the percentages, as I'm sure you would say it isn't a majority. I think 80% of their stuff is right 80% of the time. Do you really want to know why I'm under the banner? I'm very sympathetic to the situation men find themselves in, where the rules have changed so drastically and repeatedly in the past few decades. I don't believe that this has made women as a group happier, either. I thrive under the headship model. I've personally experienced a number o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 10:46 PM
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She is going to have a bad time because now, not cheating will be hard. Now, it will hurt. But in reality, the kind of woman I'm talking about isn't going to let those feeling for alpha bucks get to that point. She is going to avoid spending any more time with him than is absolutely necessary. I'm always harping on avoiding temptation. I get a lot of virtual eye rolls. Its because people who would truly never cheat don't just have magical cheat resistant willpower - they actively avoid the situa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 06:29 PM
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Butterflies and intense hormonal storms decay. Love is a choice you make every day, and the acts you perform to demonstrate it. The point is a good one relative to the alpha bucks, though. If she meets alpha bucks during a really rough patch in the marriage, she is going to have a bad time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 04:51 PM
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Yeah. This is one where TRP doesn't recognize that there is a flavor of women who really just won't cheat. The circumstance for it to happen would have to be so crazy that you can't really call it AWALT anymore. But like all of their laws, it only needs to be mostly true to be better and work better than what they had before TRP. Which is why even if I proved conclusively that .01% of women do not in fact fit whatever red pill law, it wouldn't matter. The whole point is not to hunt for unicorns,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 04:49 PM
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Looking for marriage advice that wasn't garbage. Found Athol Kay. That helped. Moved from softer, fringe red stuff like MMSL into real manosphere sites. I don't know exactly which site pointed me to Reddit, but I lurked here for quite a while before I made an account. Was already Red by that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 11:38 AM
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Because it produces a visceral reaction. A lizard brain reaction. You can slutwalk for the next century and you won't erase that, because it isn't just societal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 11:09 AM
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Yes. One is literally on TV. lol. The poster we are replying to is talking about a boyfriend, not a spouse with whom you have got to go all in to make things work for a lifetime. I don't know how I would have answered this question ten years ago. I do know now that after living with one man for a decade, and learning via the manosphere what goes on in your minds, I am not going to do anything that creates any kind of uneasy doubt in his mind. The marriage has got to come way, way before getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 07:45 PM
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This is pretty much the same comment as what I replied to. We have placed more and more importance on Rape As Bad at the same time as we've made it less bad in real consequences. Of course we understand why victims feel bad. But "your terms" have become elevated to the end all be all. I actually see a parallel between this and pregnancy loss - a 12 week pregnant women terminates pregnancy, and its an affirmation of her right to choose, a Good Thing, etc. Her friend, also 12 weeks pregnant, loses…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 07:37 PM
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Broken partnerships due to infidelity and the resultant parentless kids bring harm to the community.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 06:49 PM
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Yes, I genuinely "hate" a woman who will sleep with my husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 06:47 PM
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It is religious, as well. Intemperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 06:45 PM
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I don't think he is going so far as to say it isn't a crime. But we do, in 21st century America, treat rape as something amazingly horrible, deeply violating, while simultaneously celebrating all other sex between anyone and everyone as necessarily positive, AND ignore that its on a continuum, and shuffle the iffy drunk encounters toward the "rape" end of things. It is kind of schizophrenic. Almost no one is defending forcible rape. It is more an acknowledgement that half of what used to make it…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 06:40 PM
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I'm turned on by calloused hands. Hands that can build, fix, and have certainly never been to a nail salon.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 12:17 AM
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The only benefit to you in maintaining such a friendship is a little dopamine, which is exactly congruent with TRP's Template For Women's Decision Making. And you have to hide it, because there is no "benefit" to disclosure. What that really means is that you know it would be hurtful, or at least cause unease. And, of course, you are willfully exposing yourself to unnecessary temptation, which is never a problem until it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 09:53 PM
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Agree. It isn't that it hasn't ever happened, or is impossible. But someone in a relationship should not knowingly spend time with someone else that they are attracted to. Someone NOT in a relationship is much more likely to try and "go there" with an attractive friend. The scenarios where this works well and no one has issues seem few.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 09:50 PM
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Women are ruled by feelings, right? So yes. It is the emotional impact. How he made her feel. IME - and admittedly, I only have my own - the man needs to create hard sexual attraction AND at least one other strong feeling/set of traits to leave a woman wrecked. She could have "connected" with him (strong romance,) there could have been a big power differential (he was unquestionably her superior) or he fit some archetype (she's crazy into military, he was a Navy SEAL.) I haven't seen anyone wido…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 09:12 PM
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Dalrock for Christian red pill. I shamelessly plug his blog. Ian Ironwood is pretty great, and not angsty. Athol Kay is purple pill, still good.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 06:41 PM
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Social media memes alone about how strong and admirable single moms are - are you honestly telling me you don't see this stuff? https://www.google.com/search?q=single+moms+rock&biw=1071&bih=614&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfxKqIp5nOAhVi44MKHTPmC70Q_AUIBigB
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 06:30 PM
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TRP isn't objective in any general sense, though. They are only objective in the sense that the measuring stick is 'does this help men have more sex.' Tangential stuff attempting to explain why has always been iffy. Also, yes, I do believe extremism is in their best interests. They get far more attention and interest saying the opposite of what everyone else is saying than being just another moderate voice. There are sources of purple pill advice out there, and they aren't TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 06:28 PM
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Yes, alpha widows are temporary. IF they find a man that replicates or exceeds the feelings created by the alpha that "widowed" them. Remember that TRP doesn't claim they are super common. Just that they happen. There are two problems preventing her from getting "unwidowed." One is that she isn't likely to find a guy like that again - the whole reason that he made such an indelible impression is that for her, he was rare. If he was another standard issue boyfriend, blank slate would apply for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 06:19 PM
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Your point about not stressing incredibly rare risks is good. Spermjacking - or really, any variant of a girl getting pregnant on purpose, without your consent - is many orders of magnitude more likely than a rhino trampling. Why on earth would you think she needs a freezer? She just needs the condom and less than a minute alone. We aren't discussing optimal IUI conditions here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 05:40 PM
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I don't think TRP should lighten up on single moms. And it isn't because they are actually "subhuman scum." It is because they are praised to the heavens in media in the USA - positive saints, just for dealing with the consequences of their own decisions! - and we need SOME kind of counterpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 05:21 PM
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Yep. Even if he is the type of man that does not desire leadership, his wife may be one of the women that require it in their spouse. The world can scream that the sky isn't blue all it wants to. I cannot respect and desire a man that I lead, and being the breadwinner is leadership.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 05:00 PM
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I know. I can't even.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 04:25 PM
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There is something really odd going on here. Even at 18-22 years old and wearing girly, sometimes sexy clothes, I was rarely approached explicitly, and only approached at all maybe every few days at most. Then I was fat in my mid to late 20s, so I would not have expected attention. Now at 33 and slim, I get attention again, but I'm too damned old for anyone to talk about my tits like that. I have not had the experience these women have had. Are we maybe defining attention or being approached dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 10:20 PM
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Yes. We no longer have a word that means "one man, one woman, legally and socially bound, sexually and romantically monogamous, till death or true extremity." But we still have a lot of people that want and try to live that life. It isn't a value judgment, it is an observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 07:13 PM
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Posts like this make me think TRP may be making a mistake on the "don't look for a unicorn" rule, in a general sense. Makes guys think it isn't worth looking for particular good qualities. I come from a family loaded with serious cooks. And we are all adequate to good housekeepers, even working full time. We are a minority but not a rare minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 06:41 PM
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It is both. Our neoteny is a feature, true. I think TRP mostly means this bit. But wise older women - Titus 2 women, if you are familiar with the Bible - used to be present. Coddled women, various waves of feminism and oodles of divorce have left far too many 50+ year old women totally unsuited to advise the young girls on much of anything. This is more of a Christian manosphere observation than a TRP one, but I feel it keenly in my own group.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:22 AM
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He understands. White knighting in a world where women were truly at the mercy of men was noble- or at least, it wasn't pathetic, like it is now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 12:16 AM
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This is key. You are joining your life to this man. Together, you make a new family. It is not a matter of loving your father more (although frankly, it is a problem that you cannot conceive of putting your husband ahead of a dead man, who feels no pain. Your husband, however, will feel the affects of your decisions.) What you are doing is distorting roles and allowing your feelings to be the only barometer. That is what gets women into trouble, every time.
/r/RedPillWomen18/07/16 02:03 PM
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Betas NOW, in the modern west, are described as unattractive. Because they are not masculine. I don't think we are ever going to know how significant the difference more traditional masculinity (physical labor/strength, husband as the boss) made in those marriages. First, that doesn't exist in living memory in the west. Second, the expectation of heat was not there, or was lessened. Third, it would have been complicated by women having had fewer partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 08:12 PM
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I'm not particularly active here, although I do post once a week or so. I'm 33, married to my first and only husband. We've been together 10.5 years. I found the "red pill" off Reddit in looking for marriage advice - we were having all the classic low attraction problems that lead to so many frivorces. Understanding what was going on has helped a great deal. RPW as a resource is very important because there are so few places telling women what nearly every man wants - a sweet, loyal woman who pu…
/r/RedPillWomen16/07/16 01:21 PM
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The thing is, the internet discussion seems extreme, but gets watered down in real world application. If I encountered them in real life, I would be invisible to the younger terpers (I'm 33) and liked just fine by the older ones, because I display zero characteristics of ugly feminism. The vast majority of women would and will be "marginalized" regardless of whether or not a small percentage of dudes think that we should get back in the kitchen. Most of us are cogs in a wheel doing not particula…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 12:42 PM
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There are not nearly enough (by %) women who can consistently be pregnant, deliver, procure food, nurse, care for infants and toddlers in primitive (premodern) conditions, all without either their own man or a surrogate man to care for them. You can fill that role with a couple of strong, nonpregnant women, but they will be using techniques developed by men to do it (spear hunting, or fruit cultivation, or whatever.) I notice you skipped quoting my second line, the one where I state we are compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 12:19 PM
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Show us.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 12:14 AM
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Yes, in our 1% of the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:06 PM
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Oh, our work has always been necessary and valuable. In a support role. I don't actually think you can separate the two. We are completely intertwined.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 10:51 PM
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We display traits described by AWALT to varying degrees. Your loyalty may be greater than the average woman, or your attraction triggers different enough to mean you don't run across men who will trigger your hypergamy often. I am in this situation, as are plenty of others.
/r/RedPillWomen15/07/16 10:14 PM
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I'm not crediting all men. Or maybe I am, in that I'm crediting their nature with being capable of great things. It was really a reaction to witch hunts and whatever else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 10:11 PM
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Why go there? It is completely undeniable that we can sit around and debate this because you men built a world so safe and comfortable that we can literally afford to pretend you aren't stronger and more suited to keeping us all alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 09:58 PM
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By sheer numbers, they live on the coasts. But you are a city girl, Atlas. Small town life with much less pop media consumption was very real and widespread until... until internet. I had never heard a single rap or metal song until I left BFE and lived in Houston for a year in 2000.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 09:54 PM
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There is a kind of girl that is into older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 07:58 PM
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The morphing depends on what goals my husband and I develop. I do have hobbies. I've always baked and these days, I pick a pastry skill or technique and and master it. Other food production and preservation stuff, too. We've got 3 kids. No more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:15 PM
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I was taught as a JW that the man was the head of the household, absolutely. There was a lot of focus on men sinning, though. All of those sexual and violent sins. Mainline churches, which I admittedly only began visiting in the year 2000, were MUCH softer on gender roles. The freaking Anglicans have been ordaining women for decades. You've got entire denominations that are avowedly egalitarian. I don't know what Pem experienced in the 70s or 80s. I do know what I see now in the big denomination…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 04:42 PM
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The rural Midwest is less overtly, secularly feminist. The churches do pedestalize women. They know Mom is picking the church much of the time, and Mom is just not going to tolerate being told she is a sinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 04:31 PM
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He's right about the church culture. Recently, I went looking for an old school, Bible teaching church that isn't lukewarm and doesn't soft-pedal red pill Pauline doctrine. What I found even from an independent, nominally Bible thumping Baptist preacher was a bunch of gooey nonsense about the Lord putting humility and a desire for goodness in ladies' hearts, and their men just needing to put aside ego and follow their wife to church. When you stop vocally respecting man as the head of the family…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 04:28 PM
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Anyone can come in here and argue. An academic style debate with obvious fallacies disallowed and community selected representation would be interesting, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 12:58 PM
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Online debate is for the onlookers. The lurkers. It is absolutely making an impression on some nontrivial percentage of those. What are you hoping for? A clearly expressed, come to Jesus moment where people convert and testify?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 12:56 PM
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/u/pembayliss
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 12:32 PM
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I've learned some stuff from you, Pem. Some more from other posters. TONS from RP sites. I think the strident tone is a net positive. The rest of the world is as concerned with tone as with content. RP is not. It is the Dr. Amy Tuteur of the dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 10:29 PM
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Somehow, you did not become sexist. The older I get, the less I mind sexism. To the point of not minding it at all. There was a thread in RPWi a while back about repealing suffrage... I enjoyed that thread, from my cushy 21st century position of there being no risk whatsoever of it actually happening. We may just be dealing with a certain percentage of folks that really, deeply need the old roles. Since that isn't the way things are now, we just aren't going to have that particular side of our p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 10:15 PM
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I'm a site manager for a remittance management outfit. I fell into it via serial promotions from my first admin job, then porting the title 'production supervisor' between industries. It is fine, because it is 35 hours a week and I've learned how not to let work problems infect home life. I am good at it, because it is just managing people, widgets and vendors and I can keep balls in the air. I have no career aspirations beyond paying down debt enough so that I can work part time and put more en…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 10:09 PM
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Skinny, I'm glad you knew this stuff. I have said soothing bullshit to a guy before when he asked for advice. I know it happens. I sure wouldn't do that now, but I've done it and I've seen fifty other girls do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 09:25 PM
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I was already a little weepy due to IRL stuff. Now I just feel like emoting all over the place because a fucked up girl who happened to love to feed people rates LTR status. I hope you find what you are looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 08:33 PM
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Wonderful post. We gutted marriage, and not just from a legal point of view. There is no more reverence for the concepts of husband, wife, marriage, etc. The satisfaction of fulfilling your role - the thing you are built to do, - and the satisfaction of doing the right thing - has been stripped away. It can be rebuilt on an individual level. But I can understand why so many don't bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 07:05 PM
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I'm going to chime in on the automatic authority issue. That wouldn't have been enough to turn an otherwise unappealing man out and out attractive. It would have been, and still can be, enough to avoid revulsion. When he is clearly in charge, he gets an appeal boost. It isn't enough on its own to create passion, but it is enough to do away with the perpetual rape feelings described so well by /u/Archwinger .
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 07:01 PM
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What is being skimmed over - or unrecognized - is that the "unhappiness" is sometimes fixable with a reset. People need a wakeup call. If there is a difference in moral code it is that I believe that the vows people make at marriage are meaningful and binding. In this belief system, being shitty or manipulative in response to those being threatened is a lesser evil than throwing it all away. Dread game is manipulative. Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 06:42 PM
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"Not getting your dick wet" is the single most dismissive, misrepresentative, downright cruel description of what a husband goes through after years of little or no sex that I've ever read. Yes, I am saying that a woman, a wife, deserves to get jerked around if she treats her husband like shit. That is EXACTLY what I'm saying. Most people today run around with their emotionally abusive men detectors set to HIGH, and their judgments at the ready, ever eager to jump in and defend wives and girlfri…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 05:21 PM
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Which is why women who are aware of all of this need to focus more on marriage/attraction repair. The rewards are great. You can't negotiate desire, but you can remove most of the obstacles that MRP guys have to fight their way through.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 05:14 PM
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C'mon. You know the RP answer to that is that men can whore around, women can't. I believe that when it comes to bonding. But I can't deal with it IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 03:11 PM
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Right. The SMV is only equal to what you can regularly, consistently pull. Not one offs or rare nights.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 02:59 PM
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I guilded him. There was no give gold button so I had to go to his profile and give him gold there. EDIT: Its there now. Must have been a browser thing. Everyone, disposable_pants is guilded.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 02:35 PM
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BMR varies very little between people of the same height and weight. Generally a max of 200 calories a day. Yes, the higher end of BMR+200 is more likely to occur in the young'uns. I do think that a simple swap of 30 minutes of couch sitting for walking is enough to help a lot of chubby kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 01:04 AM
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That poster did a good job clarifying what I was trying to ask. It was not intended to be a loaded question. I'm very much pro men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 11:23 PM
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Oh FFS You cannot describe dread in a vacuum. Hard dread is ONLY advised after a long time of sexual denial. But blues never mention that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:16 PM
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Well, this is at least different from the other answers in the thread. Everyone else was trying to justify why it "just is," and you say "no, it isn't." Naturally I now want to ask if you really never have loving sex. EDIT: initiated by you when you feel loving. Not by her because she wants to love on you. Another RP man that I enjoy reading posted in this thread that he and his wife have different sex based on his mood, which was more what I expected. So... is this love-demonstrating sex an int…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:09 PM
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lol. My interpretation of my own question is incorrect?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:06 PM
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Thank you. Exactly right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:17 PM
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Nope. Can't have anything on the side. Maybe if you are one of those who rejects anything related to ownership or possession.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:13 PM
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They are only "better" if you are pitting men and women against each other by having them do the same tasks. I have zero need to compete with men. Let them do the interesting stuff, get the glory. I'll be the support and the pleasure. That is half the red pill argument anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 05:58 PM
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Men are allowed to want sex. In my world, they are entitled to sex in a committed LTR. That isn't the reason behind my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 04:37 PM
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Why? Why do we want to be like men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 02:29 PM
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They regret it with a girl they are really into? I haven't seen that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 01:06 AM
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Definitely. The trust is going to take much longer to rebuild than a decision to forgive might take to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 01:05 AM
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But isn't this because he can't possibly know if she'll keep bringing the fun and sex? If he somehow could know that, he wouldn't be giving his commitment away cheaply.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 12:26 AM
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the side piece having feelings for the cheater and seeding feelings in the cheater. YES. If this was something that could truly be known - if there was some actual guarantee that there are zero feelings of affection, zero bond, nothing but a nut - a lot of cheating could be overcome. But that isn't the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 12:10 AM
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You and /u/disposable_pants gave really good descriptions of why sexual refusal is so damaging in marriage. I wasn't even so much focused on that when I composed the OP, but it is very helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 11:57 PM
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This is a good reply. The reason for doing the act in the first place is different. It is laying a different kind of foundation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 11:43 PM
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Don't be solipsistic. There it is. I "get" lot of things men feel that I don't experience. This just seems to be an exception. in no small part because it means something to her AHA! This is progress. There is more meaning because SHE feels something. Still. How does his brain know to dump more oxytocin (or whatever) when its the love interest and not the hoochie? Arousal + romantic feelings = more intense. OK. Closer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 11:41 PM
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Yes. Tender missionary with your partner and whips and chains with your sub (for example) makes plenty of sense to me. I'm having problems with the literalness. Your scenario I can understand because you are doing different things. Actual different acts, and it would be expected that the words used and the surroundings would also be different. Many men are just fucking in both the meaning/no meaning scenarios. They call it making love to their wife and banging a ONS, but there is no big differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 11:37 PM
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This is a really good explanation of why it is hurtful when she withholds. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 11:12 PM
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It has occurred to me. Kind of like how Buddhism has occurred to me. Whisper, I am usually on team man, because I can easily empathize and put myself in your place. I can quite easily see wanting an innocent woman, an obedient woman, refusing to be dictated to by big daddy government, three quarters of the crap I read in TRP. What I am stumbling over is very literal and crude. You can hold me, fuck me, say words of love and possession and then go do the EXACT SAME THING with someone else and cla…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:56 PM
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Streetwalkers/hookers are not mistresses. In a very general sense, they are the same, but there is a quasi romantic aspect with a mistress/kept woman. That is where (at least in the West) the passion and romance were to be found. Not with someone you picked up for your era's equivalent of $40.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:51 PM
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I have tried to reply to you like 4 times. Something is just out of my grasp. As of this thread, I think I'm a little sperg like. Explains a lot. I'll never be able to fully understand needing different things from multiple partners. This is all explained by male polygyny, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:49 PM
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This is probably getting close. If the person giving you approval was also exposed and vulnerable in order to do so, and believed that you were only giving each other approval, it would be even closer. Because approval in most cases doesn't require anything unique from the approver. Sex does.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:45 PM
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This is what I would like to think. But... johns. And pump and dumps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:41 PM
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But what is the mechanism? Is there a different cocktail of hormones present when he is with someone he feels romantic love for?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:41 PM
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So in your opinion, sex is special for some men, never special for others, and my little existential crisis is a non issue because it isn't this way for most?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:40 PM
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This make sense as to why he would develop feelings. But he can have those feelings for her and still bang someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:39 PM
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All of those things have been dismissed as totally worthless by RP guys. More specifically, they say that the only value they get from women, or their marriage, is sex. I've read that statement from /u/pembayliss a while ago and /u/apexk9 just today. Is that an extreme view? If not, the sexbot delivers. EDIT: I suck at redpill today.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:28 PM
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You can't mother a child, just like I can't father one. Fair enough about the rest, though. A woman who is crazy about you thrives on doing things for you - I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't know - and being such a woman, my hamster is a little agitated that some men find that worthless. My issue, not yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:13 PM
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This actually brings up a point that I've struggled to reconcile. In a lot of the materials I've read about marital sex, there is a lot of description about how the wife not wanting sex is deeply hurtful to the husband - she is rejecting him, his body, his love, etc. That sex is a major way that he communicates and shows feelings. And yet you all are the same gender that can fuck anything under 200lbs, right? And /u/boogerpill asks about hatefuck below. How can these two states exist? How can I …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:42 PM
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So no interest in someone keeping your home, preparing your meals, having your kids, raising them? Rubbing your feet, putting aloe on your sunburn? Is it that you don't want those things, or do want them but would prefer to pay for those services?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:26 PM
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sardonis is back!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:21 PM
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No. It is harder to bond, but you aren't doomed. For a typical woman who is not consciously aware of this, it just seems like "all the good men are gone."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 10:36 PM
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You are still kind of mixing up alpha widowhood and garden variety Chad banging carouselers. I'm an alpha widow. I was "widowed" when I was on my second sexual partner. Slutdom is not necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 10:21 PM
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There is no reset button. The mental and emotional landscape is permanently altered after the bond is ripped out. You get "over him" in that the feelings do go away, but some raw materials that were there stay gone permanently.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 10:20 PM
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After rereading all of this, I think he would get a boost in alpha - or maybe just a big reduction in cringey beta - if he did just one thing: drew boundaries with the MIL. But she's his mother and always will be his mother, whereas you are showing signs of moving on. It seems chicken and egg. Is the spinelessness about mom partially because he doesn't feel like one flesh with his wife? If he does law down the law with mom, does he have any hope that you will then meet his needs and love him? I …
/r/RedPillWomen10/07/16 11:38 AM
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You're not wrong. But how many frivorcers come on RPW trying to change their mindset?
/r/RedPillWomen10/07/16 12:35 AM
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It is horrifying, but it is a huge unmet need. All of those alpha widows and ex carousel riders that TRP bitches about? The ones who are decent women at their core but unguided thanks to the sexual free for all end up in her shoes. The shoes I used to wear.
/r/RedPillWomen10/07/16 12:26 AM
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I've felt that fear. Early on I tried explaining it to my husband as standing on the edge of a dark chasm, wracked with terror that there was only 50 years of TV and bad sex ahead of us, and that he just lacked the capacity. Push it away. It is coming from a lifetime of the chasing feels mindset. Most books like those that you read, and The Surrendered Wife, only get you about 30% of the way there. They are better than nothing because they acknowledge gender polarity and don't blame everything o…
/r/RedPillWomen10/07/16 12:24 AM
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I am one of a handful of women online that have worked through your situation. Before I get into that, you are going to have to make a decision, and make it fast. You married him and made vows, but you live in a world where you will experience little punishment for breaking them. So: are you committed, or aren't you? Because this is not going to be an easy path, and it will require more work than you have ever done in your life, but it is deeply rewarding several years in. Do not mess around for…
/r/RedPillWomen09/07/16 11:30 PM
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Women benefit from mature male guidance. It is a testament to the near total penetration of feminist thought that a red pill poster would not realize that.
/r/askTRP09/07/16 12:16 PM
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I wouldn't turn my husband, kids, brother, parents, grandparents or handful of close friends in without truly extraordinary circumstances. That would also be extended to people my husband called safe, also, so his siblings, best friends and parents. Beyond that circle I probably would. There has to be a line somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 09:05 PM
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Yep. Sexuality absolutely had to be controlled to get beyond mud huts. For both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 04:59 PM
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Desensitized is the wrong word. High water mark is closer. If you had really intense sex and passion when you were 22, churned through several dudes like that but now are scrambling around at 30 trying to find someone else that makes you feel that way, you aren't as hot a prospect and you are less likely to find another dude that rates your "imprint." Its known that alpha widows can bond/get unwidowed, but the dude has to bring serious attraction. And the more years go by, the less likely that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 09:52 PM
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Yah. This would be a perfect body switching learning opportunity. Men in a female body during lackluster sex. See, it literally feels like something is moving back and forth in a general fashion somewhere below my waist. Bet it would help.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 09:42 PM
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There are two issues here. First, if he absolutely sucks, can she tell? YES. Second, if he is good, average, a normal guy, will she be able to bond with him more easily (read:see him as alpha) than if he came later? ALSO YES. It isn't binary, yes she can tell or no she can't. An absolute dud is a dud, no matter what. But if the experience is positive at all, and she wants the bond, he is better off than he would be with the same girl after she has had several partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 03:16 PM
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If you want to keep him, don't go. Not only do you not go, you tell him that you realize it was disrespectful and not something that a trustworthy woman would do. Because all of that stuff about him not trusting you, or being jealous, or whatever, doesn't matter. That is just crap that the feminist world throws around to excuse women being able to push any boundary at any time and still look like the good guy. Then, once that is sorted, figure out how to live near him. LDRs need to have a defini…
/r/RedPillWomen06/07/16 12:09 AM
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Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 10:55 PM
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You I like. This is the response I want to hear to this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 10:50 PM
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This does happen, yes (not that you need my acknowledgement.) Best I can tell the red pill ignores it because it isn't frequent or predictable enough to built actionable dating/sex advice around. That and they are starting from the extreme of feeling never attractive, so only Chadlike levels of initial lust generation are an acceptable goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 01:01 PM
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Exactly. As I get older, I can't stand a romance novel that ends with the wedding. I want to see a minimum of half the book showing them getting through the kinds of things that break blue pill marriage every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 12:10 PM
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Let me just reply to this post so it gets the attention it deserves. All of the usuals arguing are missing the point. Her headline should have read "guys who LTR 6s prefer me to their left hand after a dry spell!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 11:00 AM
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Reread Atlas' last statement. its a man's fantasy to be used for sex, and a womans nightmare This obese female is a single step above a gymsock for the allegedly hot guys she is giving it away to. The parallel for you would be if you wrote an article bragging "I take hot girls out to dinner and a show and pay for it, over and over!!" You aren't getting the sex part, she isn't getting the affection and care part (I fucking promise) and both are the height of delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 10:56 AM
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Great post. We want masculinity in our mates. Badly. Millions of women are starving for it, even if they have no clue that is what is missing. Bad boy chasing is specific to a subset of women, but aggression and raw maleness is very appealing to most.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 09:37 PM
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I do care more than most women. But even still, at this point in my life, if I was ever dating again, I wouldn't ask. Its only relevant if its a small town situation and I'm going to have my nose rubbed in it, or I have reason to believe he has made himself more likely than most to need variety (many, many partners.)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 09:13 PM
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I prefer low to moderate. More partners than me is probably good, but years of casual sex or a partner count getting anywhere near the triple digits is a negative. I'm pretty damned possessive, and I really, really, REALLY don't want to interact with someone he has been with before. And sex is special.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 11:36 PM
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First off, if we married and shortly thereafter he became permanently unemployed, I would stay with him, because I took vows. I would not willingly choose this, however. The exception would be something that added a lot of value or lightened my providership load- say, he built our house himself, or he hobby farms and produces half our food, or something. An unconventional husband is fine. A wife is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 08:32 PM
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Haven't you ever met someone who just drove you crazy? Their natural smell, the shape of their fill-in-the-blank, the pitch of their voice? That's some kind of perfect genetic match, or a key in a subconscious lock you didn't know you had. I suppose that isn't valuable information, though, since it is unpredictable and not reproducible.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 02:35 PM
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The breadcrumbs in this case held onto the unusual amounts of water, which kept the product very soft. I would blame the animal protein toughening all beef and lower fat mixes rather than the gluten, since there is really only ~1 slice of bread worth of crumbs spread through a dozen meatballs in a typical recipe. Potato flakes are worth a try, since I keep them around anyway as a sandwich bread moisture crutch.
/r/RedPillWomen30/06/16 11:13 PM
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Hmmm... this is interesting. Pleasing him, submitting, IS the strategy.
/r/askTRP30/06/16 10:03 PM
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5 hours in the marinara and they are really, really good. Stayed very soft, so much that I think I could have used all beef instead of a mix. I'm calling it a win! New official method, going into my binder 'o stuff that works every time.
/r/RedPillWomen30/06/16 09:08 PM
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Your flair is adorable. I guess I think of a "natural" as someone who learned during puberty, or for whatever reason never had to give conscious thought to it all. TY for the summary. I wish it was just single moms causing the problem, but I know some Boomer men whose sole hobby was TV consumption and did not realize their own "success" was only possible due to the leftovers of what their grandfathers did and did not tolerate, and their sons weren't taught anything about masculinity, leadership,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 08:59 PM
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You're right. And that is how I live my life. But that isn't happening on a societal level without some crazy technology destroying scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 07:08 PM
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That attitude has rubbed me the wrong way from Day 1. You've got your naturals, many of whom are apparently married to RPWi's. Women already want them, and their wives need to literally just take the advice that has existed for a few thousand years, still exists somewhat, only became passé in the mainstream about 5 minutes ago relatively speaking, and is easy when you are hot for a man anyway. Then you've got your betas and lower, those both born that way and those who would have been masculine,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 05:51 PM
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I tried a new meatball method today. I have an unexpected day off, so I made 4 dozen meatballs. My husband really likes his mom's meatballs, the only distinguishing feature of which is that they are really, really soft and tender. Mine in the past have been adequate, but I never hit on a 'this is the one!' recipe or method. There is a Chowhound poster that has raved about Rao's meatball recipe for several years, so I tried that. A lot of recipes call for soaking bread in milk, but this one is un…
/r/RedPillWomen30/06/16 04:56 PM
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Very true. The full on ferals would learn nothing. Those whose fathers never held them accountable for anything would change nothing. But speaking as a card carrying, hamster wrangling female, it isn't a true free for all up there, driven only by pussy tingles followed by damage control. If a girl has heard such a speech before, and her peers have heard it, her decision making prior to letting the act happen will be a bit different than if no one ever acknowledges anything of the sort (current s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 04:46 PM
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I think there should be a statement or two. "Girls, changing your mind afterward does not mean that the sex was nonconsensual. It was not rape. The word rape is powerful, as it should be, you have some responsibility here. Be very sure before you have sex."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 10:58 AM
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The Surrendered Wife is one woman's view on how she turned around being a massive, controlling, masculine bitch. It shouldn't be viewed as guiding principles, just a solid example of how you could do it, or things you can try, in an environment that encourages the opposite. As for sex, I think she was in a position that is not representative of most. If your husband has indicated that you are pressuring him, follow Doyle's example. For everyone else, remember that men want to be desired. Tell hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 10:49 AM
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In the United States, children of married biological parents do better by every metric. You can find this all over. http://www.childtrends.org/?indicators=family-structure
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 06:00 PM
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There is no plate school part. I posted them as a reply to the poster above me as a representation of the sub's "theory" on the matter of sex/commitment. Now it is true that if you assume sex first because that's how we do it now, you will end up with a few more "plated" women than insisting on commitment first. But it is likely that insisting on commitment first means that you'll end up with more single women, or unattracted ones. Combine that with the personality conflicts and you get the accu…
/r/RedPillWomen29/06/16 10:20 AM
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/u/kick6 already listed Dalrock. Go down his blogroll and you'll see other Christian manosphere authors.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 06:40 PM
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Do you mean Young Earth creationism?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 06:37 PM
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Hands down, my favorite site in the manosphere. He has taught me how very pervasive feminist thought is, far beyond the obvious talking points that we throw around here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 06:36 PM
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1) Manageable. 2) Relevant to us now only as a lesson. 3) True. But mitigable with mate choice while young, and intentionally staying fit. And life gets less stressful as you learn to give fewer f*cks, and you don't necessarily want to be striving for the same things a man is anyhow. 4) True. But life in Current Year means most of us don't use our strength much. And logic is somewhat teachable. 5) For introspection-free, standard issue girls. Real friendships are a challenge for a lot of people,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 01:36 AM
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That excerpt from Wait for it? is compelling, isn't it? I have some thoughts on this, and the direction you've taken with this doctrine. Just today I've unsubbed from The Other RPW, so I would prefer not to piss anyone off over here. Is a thread like this the place to talk about it?
/r/RedPillWomen28/06/16 12:05 AM
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I agree. But this is like anything else. They have to be ready to learn, ready to listen, and done with excuses. Most aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 07:04 PM
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Thank you for answering, by the way.
/r/RedPillWomen27/06/16 03:06 PM
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I am aware that fewer men are marrying. What I personally believe will happen is that it will stabilize at some point. (assuming no further disincentivization for men occurs.) That group of people that continue to marry and have kids the old fashioned way are partly contributed to by communities that remain somewhat religious. Japan has a very homogenous culture. We don't. Why do you feel driven to throw in little jabs at the poster, rather than focusing on the discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 03:04 PM
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Japan is not really culturally relevant to the US, not yet at least. We've got quite a lot of Christian pro family flavor that the lifelong urban coastal types just forget exists, plus Latin culture constantly trickling in, plus a few other things. I will be interested to see what happens with our Millennials as they mature. Probably reproduce below replacement rates like Italy and Sweden.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 01:48 PM
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Aren't traditional Muslim/Islamic communities patriarchal? Christianity used to be, I know firsthand. The patriarch is very central to the family.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 01:18 PM
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The verge of being dead? Are you going off of urban stats only? There are many many millions of nuclear families still doing their thing. They aren't getting the cultural support that they once did, but that isn't quite the same as saying they are all but dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 01:16 PM
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Average and middle class is over on a macro scale. It is still perfectly achievable for individuals. Kind of like having a stay at home wife, or a patriarchal marriage, or whatever thing you want that the inexorable progression of society has decided is passé. You just aren't going to slide in there with below average effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 01:14 PM
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My pill is red. Early 30s married woman. No casual sex. Came close around age 19-20. No ONS. Yes I've been to a nightclub. Yes I've been drunk before. Yes I've smoked weed long ago, never tried anything else. 10ish days? I really don't remember exactly. Say 1 to 2 weeks. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 01:05 PM
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I just got this on Kindle Unlimited, thanks to your post :) If we find it valuable, I'll buy the paperback.
/r/RedPillWives26/06/16 07:04 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/4ebnsb/passion/? https://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/4gfzqa/the_final_exam/? If you've already read these, sorry. It explains the stance. My own thoughts lie between RPW and RPWi's positions.
/r/RedPillWomen26/06/16 04:26 PM
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Out of curiosity, how do you go about recruiting mods? Contact regular posters who haven't caused trouble before?
/r/RedPillWomen26/06/16 04:13 PM
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You're half wrong. But not because the face doesn't matter much. It is because almost every guy bemoaning his face still has a face covered in fat. They don't even know if they are hot or not! Someone else in this topic mentioned /r/progresspics for examples of men who dropped that body fat percentage down and lo and behold, they've got a jaw and cheekbones. Its the angular, testosterone related features that are catnip to a lot of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 12:54 PM
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If they were, TRP wouldn't have 150k subscribers. But then how many terpers are country boys themselves? Almost none, I'll wager. The whole shooting match is a product of tech as much as it is of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 01:51 AM
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Not hipsters. Well, a little hipsters. Mostly just women who have lived their entire lives with no exposure to what my hick self still sees as reality - production of a food item, procurement of shelter outdoors, repair of a mechanical item, making due. The best way I can put it, and I realize its really inadequate, is that they never move beyond seeing men as sexy fun buddies or boyfriends, because they never experience more urgent or profound needs for what men can do (and when you live around…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 01:25 AM
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This post actually tells me a lot about where you are coming from. I probably wouldn't have bought into RP so enthusiastically if I had stayed where I came from. AWALT just would not have rung true. It took years in an East Coast city to create the appropriate disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 12:46 AM
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It is, if you read enough of it to have a fix on what is canon and what is shrieky teenage hyperbole. Most of their negative observations about women are down to women being handled with kid gloves in one way or another. loads of promiscuity including more adultery because social consequences for sleeping around are gone fat, so much fat, to the point where we have movements with holocaust denial levels of delusion around its impact on health and attractiveness increased likelihood of drama or p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 02:12 PM
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Things are that way, in the United States at least. We have marital rape in all 50 states, and while some do classify it as a different crime its still a crime with similar penalties. Yes, your story is awful. I can't imagine. I'm sure you know that the marital rape thing gets discussed here a lot because one of the primary reasons married men come to the red pill is that their wives won't have sex with them, or do it infrequently. And people still marry - men still marry- with the understanding…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 10:31 PM
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I am going to make a recommendation. Red pill advice for men is 'less talk, more action.' Now, clearly action is called for here. But I think he needs to hear some words from you, too. You are going to need to be deeply respectful of him. That is easy to say, but difficult to do if you have spent years focused on yourself and your own needs and haven't ever thought about what he needs, as a man, from his partner in life. What does he need to feel that he picked the right first mate? Not, how can…
/r/RedPillWives23/06/16 10:20 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/1q7rtx/askreddit_about_wifegoggles/? http://marriedmansexlife.com/2012/12/relative-vs-absolute-sex-rank-and-the-forty-year-old-wife/ It is the view that a married or committed man has of his wife/partner. He sees her through a kind of rose colored glasses, in that he isn't just seeing her objective attractiveness ranking. If she has been a good partner, she stays attractive to him mostly indefinitely. It usually gets discussed relative to female agi…
/r/RedPillWives23/06/16 09:28 PM
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You nailed that one. I've read more than one tale of woe in relationship forums about how 36 y.o. mom with a 17 y.o. daughter gets a 28 y.o. boyfriend. What did you think would happen? The 17 year old is frankly a more age appropriate mate for the 28 year old than the mom is, although neither is ideal. EDIT: obligatory line that I don't approve. Of either of them. So lets just change everything and pretend 17 year old are children and men are dirty for wanting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 08:24 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/4phxyi/husband_no_longer_passionate/ I got a lot more out of her additional info in her MRP xpost than I did here. I think this guy lost his wife goggles.
/r/RedPillWives23/06/16 08:10 PM
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Yeah. Now. And in the West, good men weren't ever frequently forcing their wives. But permanent consent was absolutely a thing in marriage. We just got rid of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 08:03 PM
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Isn't the more pregnancies due to rape thing just an unfortunate result of pregnancies being more likely with a new partner? Something about developing antibodies to sperm after long term exposure. And the article you yourself posted states that rapists pick victims who are more likely to conceive - youth and looks, also maybe in the fertile phase of their cycle. I think you are right that some of the trauma is because we are told that this is just the worst thing ever, not all the actual event.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 07:59 PM
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A man does not consider a woman slutty based on what she has done with him. Only on what she has done with others. Would you say that a man attempting to determine "what she has done with others" could be taken by the woman as a somewhat positive indicator that he is considering her to potentially be more than ONS or plate material?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 06:58 PM
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Agree. Male promiscuity is not necessarily a deal breaker, but it is a red flag. Just because it doesn't affect their ability to pair bond as directly as it would me does not mean that he hasn't cheapened our potential intimacy in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 05:56 PM
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Many men have felt this way since... forever. It wasn't solely because The Patriarchy told them to feel that way. We've discussed bonding loads of times here, and even if you discount all of that it is in no way creepy for a man to prefer that someone he is committing his entire romantic life to not be walking around with a YouTube full of intimate, explicit memories in her brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 10:42 PM
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Space, surely you realize that triple digit partners would be a dealbreaker for many men. Good for your friend and all, but that proves nothing. OTOH plenty of men wouldn't count 3 as damaging. The rest of your post was hilarious, in a good way. yummy peepee tinglez oh god I'm laughing again.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 10:38 PM
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The first thing I thought of was all of the young men going to Protestant churches who are rather desperate for a chaste young woman. I think I'm spending too much time reading Christian manosphere sites. Anyhow! It is certainly not bad. In certain circles (see above) it is a major plus. But it sounds like perhaps she is looking to leave that kind of environment?
/r/RedPillWives22/06/16 09:42 PM
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I would count that as a subculture. You are right, of course. Same with a rapper. Won't ever crack 5 with me, but clearly a 10 to a certain type of woman. But not my general kind of woman, and for the most part you know what "kind" you tend to be and date.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 09:32 PM
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shoup's right about the guitar dropping panties. It goes to competence. Its a skill or a talent that most don't have. The high status is related but separate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 08:30 PM
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See, your spread is too wide. That's a BP claim - that you can't predict attractiveness. If you show me a man who is a 9 to another woman in my demographic, he'll be at least a 7 to me and he might be a 10. He won't be a 4, period. Because to be a 9 to 90%+ of 30-35 y.o. white women, he is virtually guaranteed to have the masculine build, at least some musculature, carry himself confidently. When you start getting into other cultures, or someone is a very dented can, you can add on an extra poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 08:27 PM
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Yes. Perfect. The best way to utilize dented can theory is if you can find something that bothers most people, but not you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 07:58 PM
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It is a dent in the sense that it impairs her ability to date. It makes it much harder for you to find her. Like the label being torn off of the can. lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 07:57 PM
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I think some dents are still perfectly fine for LTRs. How about a pathologically shy girl, who is incredibly sweet and inexperienced? Hates bars, clubs, any other crowds. Her dent makes it practically impossible for her to rack up the N count, because she never goes anywhere. As long as you aren't super extroverted yourself, and you won't miss recreating in crowds, sounds like a good prospect.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 07:07 PM
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You know that other guys have their own nude personal chef, as opposed to McDonalds. For you, it was clearly motivational enough to reshape your life. Some men seem to either like McD's well enough, or not realize anything else is realistic. What is the difference, I wonder?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 05:55 PM
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Yes. The best possible scenario - well, the best is that both people want each other desperately from the get go. The best remedial scenario is that both parties embrace the red pill completely. If her heart is open and she wants to be led and hates that she doesn't desire her husband, his path is a lot easier. But we are dealing with what people actually are. There are women on Athol Kay's forum trying to run a MAP and wake up a drunk captain. It is better than what Reddit has to offer on the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 05:35 PM
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Because they are there to teach men how to be better, more attractive, more masculine. What benefit could there be in listing small minority female mindsets, which the men will likely not encounter or even need to encounter if they are desirable in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 04:59 PM
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You can create attraction by changing household dynamics. The Surrendered Wife begins the process, but there is more to it. Perceptions are a thing that can be adjusted, too. While you are of course right that I couldn't will myself into feeling desire, I could and did systemically identify the things that turned me off - the interactions that used to leave me aggravated and disgusted - and change my own mental response to them. I had decades of marriage stretching ahead of me. There were no dow…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 04:52 PM
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Arch, with all due respect and that is not a snotty respect, I spent several years trying to figure our how to admire and desire a man that I just did not feel that way about. Goddamn did I try, and half succeeded even before RP. I was never, ever, EVER going to leave or cuck him, and I talk to other women online in the same boat. Woman can overcome instincts just like men can. The question is whether it is worth it or desirable to do so. I understand that there is no place for this in TRP. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 03:49 PM
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The most ideological as /u/joseremarque says, and also hyperbolic. Because in their worldview, they are trying to undo a lifetime of conditioning. Moderate approaches have already failed!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 03:30 PM
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Some have. Some stay and teach. They aren't hanging out in the threads talking about how their longtime girlfriend/common law wife-ish girl cooks them their favorite meals and then they go camping together. That kind of thing requires skills that we already know the beginner terpers don't have. So the teachers focus on getting rid of the desperation and teaching abundance, not on how great their own romances are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 03:29 PM
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You are always going to see those men first - they are the most visible, and by dint of never leaving they get to be known. All of the ones that take what they need and leave are not visible to casual visitors and critics. As far as not managing to fix their cars... I think we disagree on this. They've decided that their idea of fixing cars is railing on women, forever, and spinning plates, forever. It will never be my idea of what fixing cars means, but lifelong bachelors and cads have always e…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 03:26 PM
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Do you also believe that there are no intelligent, skilled professors?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 03:22 PM
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RPW, both versions, has potential. I've had some thoughts on there being an In It For Life approach... whether that is a flair or something else. You're right, they frame everything in terms of 'submissive as long as I trust him, and I can revoke that trust at any time.' It hamstrings them beyond a certain point. EDIT: I understand a key point of RP/MRP is being willing to walk away, so this wouldn't be bilateral.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 03:20 PM
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Imagine the conversations we would have here if everyone had read at least 50% of the sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 11:26 PM
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You've really gone off on a tangent there. I'll reciprocate. I was thinking more along the lines of a 23 year old bride and a 28 year old husband, who realize they don't need $500 a month in smartphones, internet, cable and lattes and instead prioritize their family. Such exotic creatures still exist, and they don't even wear flatcaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 11:20 PM
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Yeah. I'll be sitting there with my 5 and 7 year olds clawing each other fighting, my 18 month old screaming his head off teething, staring off into space picturing being pregnant again. Its not sane, its really not, and I'm a very levelheaded pragmatic woman, raised by her dad, when not in the grips of this madness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 07:39 PM
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Not everyone thinks that it is smart to devote their most fertile years to careering. If you know you ultimately want kids, it is a valid choice to do it early and focus on yourself later.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 07:34 PM
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Well, the baby lust lasts less than a week. The other 3+ weeks each month I fully agree with my husband that 3 kids is all that we can handle. I'm not comfortable with such a shift in my own mental state. But it happens over and over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 05:05 PM
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I certainly have ovulation time total irrationality, where every single logical thought about how we can't/shouldn't have more is just gone. Then just 2 days later in luteal phase, I'm praying I'm not pregnant. But the baby rabies when a woman gets close to 35? I would say at least half of those who haven't yet had kids get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 04:49 PM
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is this something all women know to some extent, but just don't talk about and pretend the opposite? Both are true to the extend that women ponder their own motivations, which is very little. There do exist women who understand that their greatest value is in being a completely trustworthy and available helpmeet. But you either have to have been raised in certain very particular subcultures or have slogged through unhappiness doing it The Feminist Way and be particularly self aware to come to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 05:06 PM
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Your choice of the word "drunkard" is interesting.That carries the connotation that he is failing to hold up his responsibilities due to excessive drinking, or that his behavior is very bad, which I don't see in the OP. I see only that it is frequent and unattractive to her. She is also married with 2 children, and must consider that kids do better by every measurable metric in married households. She would be turning herself into a single mom, her kids into children of a broken home and trashin…
/r/RedPillWomen20/06/16 02:28 PM
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4.67 on hostile sexism. Gonna go for a 5 next time.
/r/RedPillWives19/06/16 12:45 PM
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"Now there are still many, many men who don't operate that way." Yes, if I was young and looking I would be seeking out someone who understood that I had never banged Chad in the waterslide twenty minutes after meeting him, and that my sexual reticence was not a signal of a calculated interest (language taken from discussion off Reddit.) Still, that isn't fully red pill advice, although it fits perfectly here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/16 10:58 PM
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Red pill wives, red pill women or even askmrp would be a better spot for this. Glad you got some good answers, though.
/r/askTRP18/06/16 09:56 PM
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This is a fine line to walk and it is better for a wife to default to yes than to decide if she is in the mood every time. Having sex when you don't particularly want to (at first, if things aren't great) actually makes things easier and more fun if you are a woman hellbent on being a good wife. You are a man, yes? I've been through this and I will always tell women that it needs to be a default Yes.
/r/askTRP18/06/16 09:53 PM
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Not my thread, but thank you for this. Not sure why it never occurred to me.
/r/askTRP18/06/16 09:46 PM
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But this is part of the problem. TRP senior guys have come right out and stated that there is no relationship or exclusivity before the sex starts. That all women have to "work their way up." (I've seen that phrase many times.) That there is NO AVOIDING being a plate. Now there are still many, many men who don't operate that way. But if we are trying to navigate a purely red pill path, this is a conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/16 03:59 PM
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50 lbs? What is happening? That is a whole lot on an Asian frame. Is she concerned?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 09:46 PM
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I found your post a little while back in RPW on only sleeping with Group A that you can barely control yourself with downright terrifying, as you acknowledge here. If he is that appealing, he gets a whole lot of girls that are drawn to him like a magnet. You did provide some buffering of the risk by discussing the setting where you met him as it relates to his likelihood for being open to exclusivity... I think it needs another layer. Yes, don't go after taken men. Don't boyfriend shop in a nigh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 09:37 PM
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I'll reply down here too, being female and all. Music - alternative, classic country, girly piano rock. Husband just took me to a wonderful outdoors twilight concert that my favorite musician put on. It was a really, really good night. Art - I'm missing that gene. Maybe 1 in 1000 paintings or sculptures moves me Movies/TV - BBC Sherlock. Museums - I have a membership to a science museum. Hobbies - Paranoid/redneck! Prepping-ish stuff, because here in the city we live and die by municipal utiliti…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 08:37 PM
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I can't argue with any of it. But it leaves a very small margin for error. Very small, if you are simultaneously (1) not making him wait just because [insert only betas wait for it, etc], and (2) are young and inexperienced and ripe for that intense bonding, because you are likely to make a bad call or two. And two bad calls blows up that low N count, plus does a few other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 08:27 PM
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"I'm a mother first, then a woman, then a wife." EERRR WRONG SO WRONG. SO, SO WRONG. Glad you feel the same! Your marriage is the foundation the roof and the walls for your kids. Being a woman is completely intertwined with being a wife, as femininity thrives when paired with masculinity. That woman could not BE more wrong.
/r/RedPillWives17/06/16 07:24 PM
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Love is a commitment, not a feeling. Or as I've read elsewhere, love is action, not a feeling. Getting rid of that idea that you are only "in love" if you've got the euphoric haze dulling all pain is really important. The intensity waxes and wanes, but that is how it always was and will be with lifetime partnership. The culture of disposable romance has done nothing but create dopamine junkies succeeded by bitter middle aged women. Chasing feelings is a bad thing masquerading as a good. Thanks f…
/r/RedPillWives17/06/16 07:21 PM
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This was wonderful. When coming over to this way of thinking, one of the first neatly packaged, easy to fix immediately points that I attacked was 'never bash your husband.' When you get women together, there really is this tendency to commiserate by complaining a bit, often about the men. Sometimes more than a bit. That does nothing but reinforce a negative pathway in your brain and make it that much harder to be respectful and positive with him the next time the scenario in question comes up. …
/r/RedPillWomen17/06/16 07:14 PM
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It doesn't matter if your friends find it easy. It doesn't matter if 'on average' it isn't hard. If we've got hundreds of thousands of guys who find it immensely hard (and we do!) then just saying "its not hard" changes nothing. They already know some men find this easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 06:53 PM
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I am a married woman with daughters. My first choice for a mate for any of us would not be a TRPer. It would be someone raised old school, however, who expected and required us to behave in a fashion that reflects well on our family. An "already red" type. EDIT: No woman looking for marriage or a marriage type commitment is going for angry teenagers of any bent. So a man who has been around this part of the net for years and has integrated red pill concepts into his life and wants a wife figure …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 01:32 PM
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Agree. The immediate downvote is such a turnoff - you know that the person you replied to just knee jerk reacted, no effort to consider it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 01:23 PM
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But what is so intrinsically bad about saying AWALT? Bad feelings? Moderate voices rarely get the attention of more extreme ones. Then you get the watering down that happens with any advice source when the reader goes back out into the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 01:20 PM
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Sara threw Hagar at Abraham. I suppose that is evidence for "women will share an alpha" but in a polygynous society, it doesn't carry the same weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 01:14 PM
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Ah. Yes, I didn't intend to claim that all women were attracted to their husbands. That is only one factor after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 09:18 PM
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hahahahhaaaahaa
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 09:14 PM
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The internet is loaded with stuff about the sex appeal of powerful men. Or did you mean something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 09:13 PM
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I said three quarters, not all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 06:39 PM
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Def true nowadays. If you believe that women are attracted to men who are in positions of power over them, and I do, the betabux of 100 years ago was better off than today. But that isn't exactly a new idea in RP land, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 05:53 PM
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Skip the alpha fux and go straight for the beta bux You know... this is far from ideal, but at least Mr. BB wasn't getting goods with quite so many miles on them, or an alpha widow.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 05:39 PM
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Exactly. Also it helped avoid cads, men who made way too many women tingle. Which is still good advice, just one sided.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 05:37 PM
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This used to be true. I was given this advice when I was 18ish. If you were raised believing in the sanctity of your vows, that your husband needs and deserves sexual release, and with that background low level power differential because he was the head of the household... it worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 05:35 PM
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I've got 3 kids. Am intimately acquainted with how expensive they are. I agree that this won't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 02:44 PM
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I agree. I think that this is far more common than the cases of actual, pathological insecurity where there are no problem indicators and the insecure person self loathes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 01:32 PM
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There are, and as red as I am I still have some hurt feels once in a while in there. If you read only EC, vanguard and sidebar you skip three quarters of the bravado and woman hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 11:47 AM
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Yes, they are. I was discussing TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 10:14 AM
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That can happen under the current system too, though, if he works for himself, under the table, or in any other setup where there is no direct cut taken from his pay. Individual sad stories are no basis for societal decisions. Yes, that goes both ways and we would need an unbiased assessment before changing anything (if I somehow had societal powers in the first place.)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 10:13 AM
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That kind of emotional appeal works on people who don't expect women to make the same good decisions as men. The utilities being cut off is rough whenever it happens, but my plan does not take money away from the household. It pays the bills directly. And there are utility assistance programs (I deal with them at work.) Don't act like not handing her cash directly is putting them in particular danger.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 09:30 AM
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You know he'll be loyal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 11:06 PM
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Thank you. Red pill was what lit a fire under me, I want this woman to have the same experience.
/r/MarriedRedPill15/06/16 10:41 PM
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I believe her. The manosphere was 90% of what drove my weight loss. And submission.
/r/MarriedRedPill15/06/16 10:36 PM
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I cut a lemon in half, put in in a glass measuring cup full of water, and let it go as long as I can stand it. Smells great and everything wipes out easily.
/r/RedPillWives15/06/16 08:44 PM
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Not suppressing instincts. Being aware of and moderating. Frankly, men do that every single day, when they don't bang everyone they possibly can indiscriminately. As for the second paragraph, its a little bit of a strawman. I'm not arguing the gatekeeping principle, just that things aren't perfectly congruent for opposite genders. Men don't hate commitment, they are discriminating with it and it isn't really benefitting their base instincts, at all. Its benefitting their higher cognitive thinkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 08:17 PM
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Under the current model, they are very expensive. This would be a massive change and that cost would have to be brought down. Yes, I would rather the money go directly to bills then pass through mom's hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 08:12 PM
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I lost 50lbs after our 3rd child (5'6", ~185 to ~135.) reddit.com/r/fatlogic Seriously, hang out in fatlogic. It will blow up all of the stupid obstacles that are keeping you from maintaining a 500 calorie per day deficit. As for your marriage, lose that weight first. It is going to reignite some heat. And stop planning for if he leaves. That shit is fine and even necessary for the men, but we are not the same.:
/r/MarriedRedPill15/06/16 08:06 PM
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No child support, for any of them. Actual documented expenses, to be produced in court and measured against an average. Those bills can be paid more directly or via a different middleman than handing mom $. Alimony in at fault cases only, poorer spouse to present a plan with a length of time that it will take to get on their feet. Cap of 5 years. So if none of your cases are acrimonious or fault driven, no alimony at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 07:16 PM
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I get what he is saying. They were nice and sweet and supplicating and all of the exes cheated on them, or went deadbedroom, etc etc. "Settling" to mean that to spin plate forever wasn't what they wanted, they wanted a Disney romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 07:12 PM
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There was a discussion in RPW months ago where someone came in and made nearly the same assertions that you have. I went back and searched my history and unfortunately, much of it was deleted when the OP flounced, or else I would just link that here. Two main reasons why RPW/RPWi is the real thing for women. (1) This is all about getting what you most want and what will make you happy long term, and that much is true for both genders. But your description is still trying to model women off of me…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 07:00 PM
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Ah, but we are trying to pull off AFBB. Alpha bucks is the best possible outcome, with the amount of alpha and the amount of bucks being the part that varies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 06:14 PM
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Right. They don't want a sexbot or a servant, they want to enjoy our company, as well.
/r/RedPillWomen15/06/16 05:54 PM
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Ban? I have no power. You are banned? Edit: I really am not sure where half this comment is coming from. What talking shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 05:50 PM
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Hmmmm. If I ever find a Buzzfeed quiz that connects me with people who get it after 25+ years of wierdodom, well, I'll change my opinion of Buzzfeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 05:36 PM
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Doing service for nothing is not appealing I explicitly stated that we get pleasure from it. Pleasure and bone deep contentment is not nothing. But more than that, if you buy into the RP worldview, you are righting a wrong by being a traditional wife figure. These are sources of happiness too, completely incompatible with deliberate manipulation. I don't know how to clarify further without sounding self righteous.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 05:25 PM
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I wear a mask at work. A half mask, anyway. Not at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 05:13 PM
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The CC damages ability to bond, so that fun is in direct opposition to our actual interests. Do you see pleasing a male romantic partner as negative? There is a feedback loop when you've got a certain mindset where you get a lot of pleasure out of... service.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 04:51 PM
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My husband is out of town for work until the weekend. Last night was his first night gone, and the kids fought over the phone to talk to him. Even the baby said "hewoaw" when he heard his father's voice in the phone, which made me cry, natch.
/r/RedPillWives15/06/16 03:42 PM
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I'm just sitting here shaking with giggles in my chair at work. Thank you for this.
/r/RedPillWives15/06/16 03:38 PM
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You sound like QW now. The actual red pill for women IS being feminine enough to catch and hold someone that turns you on and you can submit to. Sexual/romantic strategy includes where you'll end up when you aren't hot anymore. Red pill just means understanding their principles, deciding what you want, and using said principles to get it. We don't want notches in our belt, therefore actual for us is never going to be actual for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 03:21 PM
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I never understand why people dismiss it as a horoscope. It depends upon the test taker answering the questions honestly, but then its only a single step worth of extrapolation from "this is what I think" to "a lot of people who answer the questions like you display these qualities."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 03:15 PM
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I don't know how long that poster has been with his SO, whether they live together, etc. Its possible to hide a lot from someone. But after years upon years of cohabitation... most of us aren't that smart. It takes a mastermind OR a partner who is particularly dull not to be able to form a decent picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 03:12 PM
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Once the first mate has calmly and clearly shared her thoughts and concerns, she steps back. The only way a mutiny is appropriate is if the captains decisions are literally going to leave them without the basics of life. There will come a point in every marriage that operates by headship principles where the wife believes a mistake is being made. This is the test of her mettle, not the easy times when you both agree anyway.
/r/RedPillWomen15/06/16 01:43 PM
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The first thing you need to do is seriously dig into why you hate being a woman, and whether you would actually derive more meaning from a career driven, typically masculine lifestyle. Because this is key: everyone here figured out that they are happier and more fulfilled as a helpmeet. If you legitimately aren't, then you live in the right era, because you can be a driven career woman. It doesn't matter that this fits most men and women if it doesn't fit you. We aren't trying to force square pe…
/r/RedPillWomen15/06/16 01:37 PM
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Have any evidence for your claim that "most" men don't want to "even pay for their children?"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 11:19 PM
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I think most men in any monogamous relationship are only there because the harem doesn't look likely Why do players and other types of high value men get oneitis - or just strong feelings - and go monogamous, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 09:51 PM
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Great one! I didn't know how to girl either! Mom left dad when I was 13. He wasn't exactly out recruiting substitute femininity coaches for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 09:35 PM
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I was always really open, really sincere and was looking for forever from the first boy I kissed. I fell in love too easily. You know the TRP archetype of the virgin/low N count girl who bonds readily? ME.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 08:36 PM
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I think I may just be a lesser version of you. Every time you post what you like I'm just sitting here nodding retardedly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 08:33 PM
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Do you feel that way about both partners? There is no meaning in your girl keeping her bits and her pleasure just for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 08:21 PM
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I see him as that guy who always has basic bitches willing to do whatever he wants. It doesn't so much matter if TRP uses it pejoratively at time, because I've known Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 05:46 PM
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I'll answer. Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 05:42 PM
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If I could spend time in the minds of men, this would be very high on my list of Things To Learn Firsthand: just how much do they want strange, is it possible to NOT want strange, and what creates the desire to settle down. I've read stupid amounts of mens words and I still don't feel like I fully understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 05:40 PM
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And people who have had one divorce are more likely to go on to have another divorce. I contend that the dysfunction lies with that person, and isn't solved by divorce. I remember loads of dad bashing from my mom and other soon to be divorced and divorced women. All that did was give her a platform away from his moderating influence. EDIT: She was happier, but her kids weren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 09:44 PM
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I've gotten The Stare Of Total Incomprehension from some IRL women on this very topic, mostly after I say "why is it so bad to just give your husband access to your body when he needs it?" You are absolutely right that they feel they can still demand he hold up his end of the bargain while dropping theirs. Actually, I had a DB poster respond to me when I made that last comment with 'I don't see anything about sex in the wedding vows.' Bad faith, and a bad show. One of the most poignant points I'…
/r/RedPillWives13/06/16 07:23 PM
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Absolutely wealthy men have long had side pieces, and in some eras it wasn't even something to hide. Because those same classes of people weren't making many love matches.
/r/RedPillWives13/06/16 07:17 PM
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I just use supermarket masa and whatever solid fat I've got around - I always have a mason jar of bacon grease in the fridge, so I'll tend to use half that and half a more mild fat. Pretty sure I used the Rick Bayless recipe my first time trying it. Meat is just seasoned shredded juicy meat, whatever I have. I do toast and grind random chiles at times, and season with that and adobo so that the meat has depth and smokiness. ETA: cornhusks, tied with twine, double stacked in my 20qt racked canner…
/r/RedPillWives13/06/16 06:11 PM
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Consider how TRP looks from the outside to a loyal woman. "All women are whores." "She's not yours, its just your turn." "Bro she WILL cheat on you, guaranteed." "Woman are for fucking only." "She has her ex on LinkedIn? Next." I'm trying to illustrate that I can understand your position. If I went by random threads and not the core materials, I would dismiss it totally. Because I know I exist, and why aren't they acknowledging my existence! They are men who figured out how to have the sex they …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 04:17 PM
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The rank and file use beta as shorthand for weak/cuck/etc but the ECs and sidebar materials don't, so much. It is really just different qualities, the wrong mix of which cause a lot of problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 04:07 PM
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It isn't taboo, and it does happen. But as always, TRP is concerned with those who find themselves out in the cold.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 03:49 PM
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My husband and I had a period of very low attraction early on in the marriage. He was still very supportive, I still loved him, and I still held up my end support wise too. Just an anecdote, but it makes it easy for me to say that there is no proof of heat here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 03:47 PM
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Maybe its artificial, but I would call the dividing line 'do you want this girl enough to be exclusive to her.' When that happens, they acknowledge beta traits are needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 03:43 PM
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Yes, it is beta. They acknowledge you need beta traits for LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 03:42 PM
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I don't see the problem. We already know - we being terps and bloops - that men want beautiful women. We also know that women go for providership (which really means safety and security.) What that article does not cover is heat in the bedroom, which would (in red pill eyes) tell us whether she sees him as alpha. Maybe these are alpha bux types situations (not as rare as all that, it just means she wants him and he'll take care of her.) As for men being more mature, what I've seen is more "avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 03:40 PM
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Do you know if she is into natural parenting, extended breastfeeding, bedsharing? Sounds like some mothering.com garbage. I saw a lot of husbands left out in the cold in those circles.
/r/MarriedRedPill13/06/16 03:28 PM
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So marriage was the walking dead all through the 1800s? When tech was already developing, people had begun to leave the farm and girls were marrying at 18-20, not 15/16?
/r/TheRedPill13/06/16 01:46 PM
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This was a good post, and made me go back and read beyond the initial brief blurb thing I had read. You're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 01:09 PM
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This is exactly what we should do - find a good sample case, a sympathetic journalist and a voice unfragile enough to do the presenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 01:06 PM
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Which is my real issue with Biden's letter. He either doesn't know/care that the stat is garbage, which means he is a powerful man without the ability to apply the sniff test, OR he knows and deliberately used it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 12:53 PM
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My husband has a vas in February. This month was the first that we've trusted it as our sole BC method... I'm already twitchy, will have a hard time not peeing on sticks the minute I'm an hour late for a few months at least. I would love to see Vasalgel for men. They have so many fewer options than we do, and so little control. I don't think that its intentionally depriving men of power, but its certainly reflective of where our priorities are.
/r/RedPillWomen13/06/16 01:44 AM
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I am also an INTJ. I suck at small talk (both f2f and online,) I don't make new friends easily, and I find most women quite irritating. So, now that I've nicely alienated everyone, I'll try and actually answer your question! I have 3 real friends, and a small number of friendly acquaintances. My personal life is composed of a rare weekend in DC visiting my best friend or with couple friends of my husbands - or a glorious day alone making tamales from scratch/refinishing a table/riding a new rail…
/r/RedPillWives13/06/16 01:34 AM
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Seems OP is probably focusing on the modern era.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 09:34 PM
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This one is nicely complex and acknowledges something that I have at times had difficulty reconciling - how is it that I find respect and deference for them so easy and natural, and yet it is clear that any given guy is no more likely to be my superior in random skills/intelligence than a woman? Because the underlying admiration is for masculinity, and it is coming from my femininity!
/r/RedPillWives11/06/16 12:28 PM
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You know, I think you've just identified for me why I find RP concepts so compelling. I always have to know why.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 12:16 PM
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OT but I think that there is potential for some kind of guide or material on thoughtfully identifying your attraction triggers, and exploring how to find men that trip them that aren't also tripping everyone elses. Everyone wins there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 12:12 PM
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I didn't branch swing. At all. I was single for months after we broke up. Frankly, I thought I would marry him. Ii mention social media because I think it has really altered the way girls perceive their own value. I've been with my husband for going on 11 years, so it has not affected my romantic life at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 01:08 AM
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Yes, he took my virginity. He didn't alpha widow me, though, that honor goes to boyfriend #2, who was indeed of higher SMV. First guy was of objectively low SMV, but he was plenty attractive to me. This was 15 years ago (pre social media/Tinder) and I was an ugly duckling whose looks bloomed during the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 12:46 AM
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Is it infiltration if we come in, read quietly, rarely reply and only do so in a genuinely respectful manner? Pls forgive if that was a jest that went over my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 12:43 AM
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Well, no, not unless we have evidence of a higher than usual percentage of men learning "wrongly."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 12:39 AM
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If he pushed past 5 hard nos, he was not following TRP sanctioned advice. And I am sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 12:38 AM
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That is such a bad faith, disingenuous answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 12:30 AM
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Some women walking around with fears like that but then willingly getting into situations that are near guaranteed to produce their fear scenario are not worth consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 12:28 AM
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Hmmm. I think I need to do some Googling on the hairy chest issue, and whether most women as you state prefer a smooth one. Strong preference for hair here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 08:02 PM
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Could be. The base question is do men prefer this because it is ultrafeminine, an exaggeration of the masculine/feminine polarity, or because it is childlike. I tend to think that it is the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 08:00 PM
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It really should not be a powder keg. There is such a thing as peak hotness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 07:58 PM
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I don't. I don't think this is as widespread as the male preference for hairless women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 04:48 PM
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It is a jump from acknowledging not every woman will behave as badly as possible to saying it isn't worth working off a template.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 04:38 PM
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I have been in some very cold blooded conversations with women about what they can get out of a man financially, and why it does not bother them to commit adultery. I'm not going to try to say how many women. Just that it goes on at a nontrivial rate. The longer I spend around these parts, the more I wish we could develop some sort of intrinsic sexual ethics test. You just don't know about someone until you are in deep with them. TRP addresses that by assuming all guns are loaded, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 02:17 PM
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There is some crossover between TRP members and people concerned with racial matters. But the core of it all is understanding the way women want men and men want women in a world that hides those things, and that applies to everyone. Cultural differences... there are cultures that prohibit the casual sex that most terpers are after. But even there, TRP does not tell you that you cannot use their materials to find your "wife figure" instead of banging hoochies (they will tell you don't marry her,…
/r/RedPillWomen10/06/16 11:21 AM
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I would love to know which MAC store so that I could let the store manager know.
/r/RedPillWives10/06/16 11:14 AM
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Women need to understand that actions have consequences This is really what is all boils down to. I used to have this trigger, too - if a man hits a woman, its game over, call the cops, etc. Because that act has been elevated to the level horrific, horrendous and an affront to all women everywhere !!!!111!1! We've been kind of steered in the direction of thinking that a slap crosses some unthinkable barrier that is super likely to lead to full on domestic abuse. That's a load of crap. Apply inte…
/r/RedPillWives10/06/16 11:13 AM
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I have no problem with the age gap. I'm actually a proponent of age gaps. Still - NEXT. I do not believe he wants to do more than plate you. You need to cut him off cleanly and clearly so that he understands why, then no contact. If we are wrong and he wants more, he can come back and ask for that, with all it entails. I understand how hard it is to feel like you are letting go of something rare. But he isn't everything you wanted anyway, is he? Since half of what you wanted is a romantic partne…
/r/RedPillWives10/06/16 11:06 AM
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Personally, I like the ownership. Having his name. Having the same name as our kids, because as things stand today, other configurations signal lower class families. I'm not a babymomma. Of course, the more men reject marriage, the more that will change. All of the old benefits still apply to a woman who holds up her end - convenient paperwork/legal/financial access, minimal questions asked in an emergency, I'm his wife. I'm the one that gets to meet his physical and emotional needs, and I deriv…
/r/TheRedPill09/06/16 05:43 PM
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I read in other red spots. How can I tell if the discussion I'm reading is an ACTUAL red pill discussion, per cruelironage?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 04:36 PM
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Agree so much about the fertility issue! If you are going to take a "hit" career wise anyway, take it early so that you don't put yourself in a position where you are likely to need a reproductive endocrinologist just to get pregnant!
/r/RedPillWives09/06/16 03:35 PM
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I don't doubt that it is more prevalent amongst white girls. Much more prevalent. I just finished reading a rather insane rantpost about some things nearly as inconsequential from a fat advocate black woman. I don't know if I can post a link - I know you can't link across a lot of subs? There seem to be a number of women of color in HAES/fat advocacy, and they are quite screamy. The point being this is a product of incredible levels of privilege as well as feminization of society.
/r/RedPillWives09/06/16 03:16 PM
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And what can men expect us to bring to the table in exchange for more masculinity? Will we lose a few pounds? Be sweet instead of snotty?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 02:52 PM
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Yes. This may be the best definition. They begin by making rules that ensure Good Feelings. Then everything else like the money and production and unintended consequences can get consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 02:43 PM
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It is certainly true that most women don't throw false rape accusations. It literally one takes a handful - or even 1 per campus/youthful social circle - to create a whole lot of havoc, though. Kind of like what 1 known rapist can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 02:37 PM
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Agree. This is on my list of nasty TRP truths, I don't reflexively react well when my husband has a minor to moderate physical complaint. I have to intentionally be sympathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 02:35 PM
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The bumbling dad who needs his wife's sharp wit and wisdom is a very common TV trope. I'll give you that it isn't an attack, its pandering.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 02:32 PM
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It isn't manipulative. It also isn't in the spirit of honesty if you know she is into you, only with you, but you are leaving her place and banging someone else. I'm not criticizing. I accept that TRP is in men's best sexual interests, full stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 01:10 PM
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You are focusing on the men's side of it, the reactions, and ignoring what triggered it. I don't think you can talk about AF/BB without keeping both halves in mind. At this point, it would take determined reality-denier to claim that women don't largely date for excitement/hot sex early on, and then security/provision/status after the bloom of youth is gone. The only argument is whether this is A Good And Inevitable Thing (blue pill, Lean In) or a nasty pattern that leaves way too many men witho…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 12:40 PM
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They absolutely react to the choices put in front of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 12:28 PM
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There is a very clearly defined and regimented approach, complete with coaching and/or chastisement if done wrong, in MRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 12:26 PM
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They do say "you can't help what she thinks," when what she thinks is that since she is only sleeping with you, you are only sleeping with her. Honesty only recommended in that situation if she is insistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 12:10 PM
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This is pretty key, I think. What is so offensive about identifying and describing behaviors? The behaviors - voting with our sex drives - already exist. They were already hurting men and not actually increasing net happiness for women. Its just bad to use Mean Words, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 11:53 AM
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I'm not totally clear what you mean. Hanging here might be BAD for your identity as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 11:26 PM
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It doesn't make me depressed, no. It is just the messenger. But like Whisper told you, something can be true but not be helpful or appropriate for you to dwell on. What is the real takeaway from TRP for any given woman? Be selective with your sex, be loyal to your man, don't navigate through life guided solely by your emotional impulses. If you have a little courage, don't let people close to you spew misandry. Those are the only things that you can actually control, so you have got to let go of…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 10:59 PM
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My first love/first sex/first boyfriend was short, chubby and worked the same shitty job I worked. But he was very masculine, was the first guy to give me sexual pleasure, and I loved him. This kind of thing is actually fairly common, and is a reason why RP likes virginity. You are committing that RP newb error by going to absolutes. Apply a little critical thinking. Do you really believe that of the 55% of marriage that survive, NONE of them could go out and pull someone hotter? Love is real, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 08:41 PM
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I lived with my husband before we were married. We actually lived with his uncle for 6 months while we were saving money, and my God his uncle was a disgusting person. So our first "living together" experience wasn't rosy. Seems to me that your friends are all status, no substance. Sex is already happening, which would be the only thing a Christian could morally object to, right? So its fine to sin but not to let people figure out that you are sinning? You took away their plausible deniability. …
/r/RedPillWives08/06/16 08:21 PM
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I very much worry about my son's future, far more than my girls.
/r/RedPillWives08/06/16 07:27 PM
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how is marriage so bad? I have very recently come to empathize with the TRP position on marriage. As in, within the last few weeks. It was not an easy thing to understand. A major underlying tenet of RP thinking is that romantic relationships should be male led, because women are not aroused by/cannot maintain desire for men who they can control. Legally, any husband in the West is under the control of his wife in the sense that she can end it at any time, for any reason, and very often take a b…
/r/RedPillWomen08/06/16 04:20 PM
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Isn't there a different between a safe space - somewhere everyone is supposed to coddle you - and a place where you are free of actual overt insults?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 02:28 PM
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TRP on the other hand, even though the reach of the manosphere is limited, is a more direct threat for the average white woman ... than the KKK or the Aryan nations. I'll nitpick a little bit: it is only a threat to their short term feelings. Balancing the saner parts of the first wave with core RP ideas would actually be in the best interests of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 01:20 PM
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Can you point me in a particular direction that strongly links the temperance movement with wife beating? As I learned it, there had always been a do gooder teetotaler segment that positively exploded in late 1800s. While I can easily imagine their leadership exploiting the battered wives of drunken men to garner sympathy, this is the first I've heard trying to justify the push for prohibition as being because of wife beating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 12:30 PM
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Op is male.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 11:35 AM
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The main sub has some keyboard warrioring, sure. There is more substance than you realize, though. It is part school (with textbooks and oral exams,) part therapy group part pep rally in there, and they are all there because something something motivating happened to them. In my case, the basic principles fixed our marriage. You won't have a clear understanding of what those are if you don't read some sidebar or MRP sidebar.You'll just see the ugly words and be dismissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 11:15 AM
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The Apostle Paul is as red pill as it gets... women are to stay quiet in church and learn from their husbands, women are easily misled and not to teach, and of course we are to be in subjection to our husbands. If we wanted to use religion, we've already got the infrastructure to do it with the religion of our own cultural heritage. Just need to get rid of the disgustingly feminized current crop of church leadership, a la Dalrock. Islam has female subservience, yes. It controls human sexuality, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 01:26 AM
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You are quite fixated on the wife beating. I'm not seeing any proof that it actually happened regularly, just that it was legal and that you think the only way a beta can control his wife is to hit her. A beta who has the full backing of the law and society to control his wife as he sees fit is a lot more alpha in his wife's eyes than what you are thinking of as beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 01:19 AM
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Correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 09:52 PM
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I use "we" lazily, to mean our society via either active advocacy for or apathy to what goes on. I'm complicit only in that I have taken no action. I grew up with less feminist indoctrination than most, though, and don't rush to prove how enlightened I am by embracing each nonsensical social change ASAP. Men need... well, whatever they tell me they need. Its absurd that I even have input.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 09:41 PM
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I'm saying that the way we pass laws right now is based on feels. The populace feels bad about something, lets make a law, and there is rarely any rigorous examination of whether the law is likely to work, and even more rarely a repeal if it doesn't work. So before I go and change a law, I need to know if its going to do a damned thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 06:21 PM
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if the social engineering continues, and the line moves more, I will move too, and so will men. This finally crystalized something for me that was niggling. No matter how bad the deal got for me legally/socially, I would choose my husband. But I'm already married to him. It might be very different if I was in your shoes, staying unmarried, and that much I had accepted. Abandoning girlfriends, partnerships, romance, whatever you want to call it entirely if the laws change further is... well, its …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 04:23 PM
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Some rights are incompatible with lifelong relationships. How many young women bite their tongue to keep the peace when they are thinking something nasty about one of their friends, but have no problem being shrill to nasty to their boyfriends? I don't recommend suppressing key personality traits, and I have never seen RPW subs advise that, either. What I have seen is teaching discernment between what is a basic trait that you have, and what are just bad habits that you've been able to get away …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 03:42 PM
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I've seen something very close to the first one on my own FB, yes. I'll read more about the second, since I don't want to parrot something that isn't true. From my perspective, we have been pushing past the point of actual equality or opportunity for a decade or so now, and we still continue to push. People react badly when they feel threatened. Its a rare person who (a) has the intelligence to synthesize a viable solution from a bunch of conflicting positions and (b) has the charisma to sell it…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:30 PM
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She's halfway there. Different wiring, ok. Men starting to walk away, yes. Missing romance, mmm hmmm. Even emasculating men, good recognition so far. But still no rejection of that question "are men necessary?" Still no clarity on what exactly she means by embracing the differences in our wiring. Men need respect.
/r/RedPillWives07/06/16 02:22 PM
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I would need to know how many babies were surrendered and if it had an impact on abortion or child abuse in the area. I don't advocate for changes in laws based on gut feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:03 PM
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I think you are asking for something superhuman here. How many snotty little girls posed all cutesy like on social media with their Male Tears mugs? Or posted some crap like #killallmen? I don't know how many, but I'll bet it is more than the actual number of active angry terpers. And those girls have so much more social acceptance supporting their garbage behavior. Our men literally get labeled with "hate speech" for pushing back. You want them to put their own feelings aside and approach it ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:02 PM
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I agree with your contention that the act of sex in isolation is less appealing for women than for men/men desire it more. It is why we want casual sex less, and when we do have it, it isn't as good for us. What makes the act of PiV sex good is the dynamic between the man and the woman outside the bedroom. When she wants to give him pleasure across the board, she especially wants to do it sexually, and that in turn gives her pleasure. Men seem not to think that way- or rather, they also can be p…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 01:31 PM
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I recommend that you remember (1) we took away mens' spaces, almost entirely, and (2) you are hearing a combination of locker room talk, rage, sadness, teen bravado, and wisdom with an absence of sugarcoating, in a place that the men who are missing those spaces have almost been herded to. Consider that the current real life environment is trending more towards saving feelings at all costs, rather than objective reality. You just aren't used to hearing angry men speak without having to worry abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 01:26 PM
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Those are rather a lot of red flags. Did you get the impression that he understood what was so hurtful about the masturbation texting?
/r/RedPillWomen06/06/16 10:05 PM
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I thought I was the only one who still did this!
/r/RedPillWomen06/06/16 10:03 PM
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I actually was not referring to marriage and kids in that particular comment, although you've got me pegged. I meant only dating/relationships in general. Resolving at age 16 only to pump and dump forever is different from abstaining from marriage 2.0.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 09:37 PM
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I'm with QW on this one. In our society, the only ones with zero ability to provide for themselves - or make decisions to mitigate disaster - are children. They are completely at the mercy of adults. Figure out a way to screw a "spermjacking" or whoring mom good and hard but keep the child fed and clothed. I'll back you. But you are letting your rage cloud your reasoning to say child = adult, in any year.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 07:04 PM
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Yes, the worst will happen to some. I suppose you have to compare the possibility of that with the certainty that you won't have a family. A personal choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 06:59 PM
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I don't know. My info about that place is totally secondhand, but I had some vague impression that it was big years ago, not so big now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 05:40 PM
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Nearly all women have abundance mentality. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 02:53 PM
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Oh yes!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 02:28 PM
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I can't CYV, so I'll reply to automod. The danger with TRP is that it is the largest single red pilled space online (at least that I'm aware of.) Influential, as these places go. So the many kids who with total seriousness state "all women are lying whores, there are no exceptions" may be changing AWALT from being accepted as a guideline into an absolute. I was reading some screen capped "drama" threads, and in one of them a Vanguard poster who I mostly respect sanctioned this exact view by resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 12:34 PM
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An intelligent, masculine, able bodied man, his obedient wife and his kids need the government and will vote less power to that government than any other family configuration. The types behind world governments absolutely do not want a society full of this type of people.
/r/TheRedPill05/06/16 07:57 PM
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This is why I read here. Love this kind of stuff. Thank you and u/despisedlove2
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 02:51 PM
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No one that I would spend time with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 01:01 AM
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Race isn't intrinsically negative. You certainly don't have an obligation, and I know that I'm inconsistent on this point. Typically, I'm the one telling people that they have no right to expect their feelings to be coddled. For whatever reason, cracking jokes about something so intimate rubs me raw.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 01:01 AM
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They twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify wifely rebellion. Then they tell people no premarital sex out one side of their mouths, but don't want their daughters marrying young out the other.
/r/RedPillWives03/06/16 11:48 PM
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(1) totally out of his control. Not so with being fat, smelly, etc (2) many men are actually hurt by this if they are sensitive about their size, whether they play it off or not (3) mocking a very personal, intimate thing is bullshit. Would you mock a girl for having a congenitally loose pussy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 09:28 PM
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I do. It is completely out of his control, and directly connected with hot buttons like sexual performance and masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 09:25 PM
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There are very few things about which I positively forbid and condemn mockery, and will actually tell people to shut the FUCK up. Penis size is one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 07:22 PM
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There is some of that, yes. But this really does represent a fundamental shift in the presumption of innocence. It puts men in a uniquely vulnerable situation because if accused, they have to prove something almost unproveable. It only seems workable because we are working off a societal assumption that women almost never make false accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 01:48 PM
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I believe this, wholeheartedly. Those actively advocating it want ALL of the power in sexual relationships in womens' hands. Those legislators passing it through suffer from WAW syndrome, as well as all of the influences inherent in trying to keep an elected seat.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 01:28 PM
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I think that his ex - that he never married, and is older than Heard - coming out in support of him says a lot. He may have hit her. She likely behaved atrociously to provoke it. Yes, I know, its never OK to hit your wife, of course not. But we sweep just how provocative and button pushing women can be right under the rug.
/r/RedPillWives03/06/16 12:19 PM
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The existance of heartbreaking situations is no indicator of frequency.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 10:01 AM
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And yet far more relationships fail now than before we decided egalitarian was always best. I do not believe that is good and previously prevented only by oppression. Remember, most of us that came to the conclusion as adults that we prefer to be led already swam in the egalitarian sea.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 09:57 AM
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It is unfortunate that swimming in a sea of feminist thought means most relationship advice you'll get will be wrong for you.
/r/RedPillWives02/06/16 11:48 PM
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Sometimes male leadership isn't good for the relationship. No doubt there is a subset of het relationships where this is true. I very much believe it is a minority, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 10:28 PM
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The degree is what makes it paranoid. Some of the teenaged types will say "she's cheating 100%" over and over and over. But maybe it isn't fair to cite stuff that isn't cannon. I just roll my eyes and move on to the better posters.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 09:37 PM
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I bake a lot, but don't do cakes often enough to get really skilled at decorating. So I use crutches, like edible images, faux fondant pours, piping an entire cake with a single device, etc. Here is my SIL's chocolate pb birthday cake. Imgur
/r/RedPillWomen02/06/16 08:17 PM
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Not recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 07:44 PM
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Our families are the centers of our lives. Not our jobs. The singles I know take off from work frivolously just as often as the parents, due to being hungover or just lazy. I'm the boss, I track it all in black and white. I'm sure there are environments where parents are actually doing less work, but often that is just perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 07:42 PM
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What is gross is most women fucking 20% of the men. Animalistic. I'll be dead in 100 years, so I'll never see if people get themselves together enough to fight the predicted descent into bonoboism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 07:12 PM
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One of the things that changed when I went red was handing over the money management to him. It helped us. What you have to keep in mind is that many, many sexless and/or nagfest marriages are down to the wife not respecting her husband. She can't desire him because she doesn't respect him, and he needs that respect as much as he needs the sex. This is the audience for the book. Handing over control of money is a demonstrating trust, which is a big step toward respect. This is particularly true …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 05:36 PM
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The utterly paranoid levels of obsession with female cheating that you read in the comments. AWALT, but straight up whoredom isn't AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 04:51 PM
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The drive that I have to be a wife and a mother is very strong. I would wade through heaps of assholes to find a good man, if things were reversed and my hunting ground was comparable to that of men. Assuming most men have a comparable or stronger drive to fuck, it is just insane to mock them for trying to do so. Pleasing women is incidental.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 04:46 PM
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Great. Can't wait for the mud huts to come back in vogue. Even if tech has made it so that we don't need to harness betas by giving them wives, this is just fucking gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 04:44 PM
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Once I had fully internalized and implemented being submissive to him, which means putting his happiness first, that sharp urge to BE HEARD RIGHT NOW really subsided. The first impulse is to preserve our peace. Now I'll still say things that are unnecessary and that I later regret, but not the same things, not things that directly conflict with him. We don't really have the dynamic you describe with physical activities/playing hard. The only competition might be in a one off game, and it isn't r…
/r/RedPillWives02/06/16 04:04 PM
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The incredibly tiny percentage of Quiverfull types that have 6+ kids in the US are not even a blip. It is the third world that is wholly creating the overpopulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 03:36 PM
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I don't have anything helpful - just wanted to congratulate you on marrying your man and being smart enough to keep the party small. Your memories and what you'll be reminiscing about in 40 years have nothing to do with stupid expensive flowers or trendy facilities - but you already know that! We eloped. I'm really useless here. Good luck!
/r/RedPillWives02/06/16 12:38 PM
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I have literally no feelings at all about people who don't want kids. No opinion. It is 100% their business, 0% mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 12:08 PM
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I have lived in 3 states as an adult, plus 2 others before turning 18. I have lived as rural white trash, in the suburbs and as an urban college student. I've worked in multiple fields. I've had a crazy wide assortment of friends. I flat do not believe that 17-18% of women were raped or experienced an attempted rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 11:52 PM
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We do kind of hate omegas. Not betas, when beta means stable, responsible, kind, provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 10:20 PM
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Not as bad for bonding as female. Still bad in the sense that they are training themselves to require variety, which isn't quite the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 07:55 PM
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I'm going to reply down here despite being RP since I'm a woman and getting laid is not really an issue for us. I've been with my husband since I was 22, and never had any problems dating men I was attracted to. I was very cute from 18-22. I did have some problems keeping them, though, both being dumped and being unhappy. So I was not "attractive" enough to keep forever. If you consider retaining an LTR with an attractive man to be the female cognate of men getting frequent casual sex, then it h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 12:59 PM
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Yes. This is really about nationalism vs globalism, not right wing vs left wing or its synonyms.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 12:07 PM
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lolol You are kind of right. Tho I'm the first to jump to the defense of men who are attracted to post pubescent bodies, as long as it doesn't include pre.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 12:42 AM
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The right to sex with their own wife. Marriage as it stands here guarantees them no such thing. The right to full access to their own kids in the event of a divorce. The right to have some say in the comings and going of their wives, without being called controlling and someone whipping out the Duluth model to say they are "abusive." Everything a 21st century Western man gets in marriage he gets at the whim of his wife.
/r/RedPillWives01/06/16 12:36 AM
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I said arguably immoral because I'm aware that there are plenty of posters here who think that you can and should fuck anyone with the only yardstick being consent. As for why should we care, you are aware that we (RP) hold that female promiscuity is really bad for later bonding? And it just isn't safe. Getting hammered while scantily dressed amongst acquaintances who have little reason to look out for you and then wailing about it later is never going to be a good plan, no matter how many misgu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 12:11 AM
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He can tell his wife that, and she can call the cops and tell them he was being controlling and she feared for her safety. Then he'll be smeared for years with a DV charge. Or just file for divorce, because we have no fault divorce everywhere in the US. So maybe removing the no fault divorce and reworking the way domestic disputes are handled.
/r/RedPillWives01/06/16 12:07 AM
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Yes. I cannot believe how far the idea has gotten that you can act like a feral bonobo and suffer no consequences for it.
/r/RedPillWives01/06/16 12:01 AM
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Any chance of this actually happening, some or all of it? And are they so overcome with hatred of feminism that they are mostly planning their world around ruling women, or is this noble? Also, I can easily imagine living like this. Even to the point of it being kind of hot. Doesn't mean it would be best for society - I don't know whether it would be, or not.
/r/RedPillWives01/06/16 12:00 AM
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I can't argue with you on the many problems with Islam and the muslim world. At all. It isn't even Christianity 700 years earlier, its inherently more violent. We are probably divided here on the issue of whether submission and headship is inherently The Way. I believe it is, but I've read mods post that it isn't, necessarily, at least for the purposes of this sub. I will give you that we have a lot of men who were raised to pedestalize women, or who have no backbone at all, and they aren't magi…
/r/RedPillWives31/05/16 11:56 PM
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I would argue that the combination of women who come with plenty of miles on them and stripping the perks men get in marriage (but not removing the responsibilities) is contributing to men not want to commit. At least the types of men that women see as romantic options.
/r/RedPillWives31/05/16 11:27 PM
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Passing from a father's authority to that of a husband was something present in the West. So was chaperoning young courting couples. So was protecting your own virtue. I can't say that I agree with most of your post, and I'm not a fan of Roosh.
/r/RedPillWives31/05/16 11:25 PM
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Preach! We've lost our collective minds, screaming that the patterns that have existed for millennia are to be ignored.
/r/RedPillWives31/05/16 11:23 PM
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Do you think that this "thread" of the Bible is underemphasized in modern religious teaching? I missed this on the first pass. The answer is an unequivocal YES. Avowedly egalitarian churches are flat ignoring scripture, and complementarian ones are soft-pedaling it in a big way. They are pandering to their membership. The CBMW has all but put a woman in the pulpit.
/r/RedPillWives31/05/16 11:21 PM
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This is the trouble I have with this line of thinking. If we restored high octane patriarchy tomorrow, I'd be fine. Actually, I would probably be better than fine. Lord knows the more intense the power differential gets, the better I like it. But are those advocating for this considering all angles? How rigorous are they about parsing out what was caused by feminism and how many "rights" would actually need to be taken away in order to restore the family unit? Is it mental masturbation for an al…
/r/RedPillWives31/05/16 11:16 PM
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I'm remembering a model he (or maybe another author on ROK?) suggested that was modeled on Greek democracy. Each household gets a vote, and yes, it involved guardianship of women. He is definitely thinking about the potential collapse of what we have now.
/r/RedPillWives31/05/16 10:54 PM
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It isn't satire, no. There are a number of manosphere thinkers who feel that suffrage was a mistake. That isn't the point of the sub, at all. But I do enjoy that we can discuss this here without defaulting to the rather shrill, must never suggest more feminism isn't the answer default that you would get anywhere else.
/r/RedPillWives31/05/16 10:51 PM
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Wonder if Roosh has been reading the epistles of Paul. He was big on restricting women from teaching, and explicitly said that we are more easily misled. There's a thread like that through the entire Bible, in fact. It is beyond my scope to state whether we are innately less capable. I have no problem with being under my husband's authority, and he is clearly best at being in charge of our household, but we've got a lot of men who were not raised with any of this in mind. How would such a transi…
/r/RedPillWives31/05/16 10:41 PM
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The problem is that affirmative consent isn't going to solve stupidity, drunk sex, regret rape accusations, or actual rapists. Some very tiny percentage of encounters where the guy acted in good faith but the girl changed her mind after starting and didn't/couldn't say no might be avoided. Maybe. The only thing it will do is further polarize people and prop up a stupid, arguable immoral practice - the hookup scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 10:24 PM
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I'll begin by noting that patriarchal societies harnessed the respective strengths of the two genders in a way that maximized productivity and created stable living situations for most people. You get a lot of mud hut matriarchal tribes. And the inability of women to vote was a blink of the eye, timewise, when you consider how infrequently any lower class folks have had the ability to vote across societies. So that alone probably tells you that we are going to part ways fast. Removing social hie…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 10:01 PM
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I apologize for assuming that you are a girl. That was arrogant. If you want to debate, I'm down. In my initial posting I listed a few of the measurable, documented ways that women are doing better than men. I'll also comment preemptively that the two big ones - sexual assault stats and wage gap - have already been torn apart, and it would be a big derail to do it again here. So how do you think that men have power over women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 09:41 PM
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You don't have a thick enough skin for a debate sub. Interestingly, that is a product of feminism. Girls like you have been allowed to scream and wail rather than reason through the points and pose arguments. I spoke to you like I would any fervent young girl who hadn't seen much life outside of a classroom. To answer that question - yes, adults do know more than college kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 09:21 PM
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Hon, there is no such thing as internalized misogyny. And I've read plenty of feminist thought. I'm a mature woman. I'll ask you one thing and then leave you alone: has a special interest group ever been satisfied, announced that they have reached their goals and don't need any more privilege?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 08:52 PM
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Dude you are not wrong about us.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 08:37 PM
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They do not and have not for several decades. There are more of us in college, we get lighter sentences for the same crimes, get to play the minority card when it suits us, do wildly better in family court, get the societal benefit of the doubt in SO many ways that men do not. We are a fucking joke at college and pro sports (compete at the level of high school boys) but demand funding and pay just like the boys. We dominate HR departments and I have had 15 years of experience in the workplace wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 08:29 PM
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I couldn't make it past the second heading. They are working from the same old assertions that men have some mysterious power over women that needs elimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 07:31 PM
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Because that would paint the victim in a negative light. Even though it is often true.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 06:00 PM
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No. The behavior is good sex with her man, when the man is someone RP would denigrate as being beta. You can explain that in RP terms either with (a) she sees him as alpha and hypergamy is satisfied, or (b) she doesn't see him as alpha, but he's good at sex and no alphas wants her.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 04:02 PM
3

Everyone in the Western world over age 25 uses it the way Uber defined it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 03:58 PM
3

There are red women and blue men, though!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 03:55 PM
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Yes. You are right. I would enjoy reading some EC/vanguard level answers to this one. We are getting some really non-nuanced answers that make me think its all theory and little experience on this topic. This is on a spectrum. It is not binary beta=duty/alpha=lust, but rather the worst betabucks situations on one end which is indeed pure duty sex, developing into mixes of duty/lust, ending up at the other end where a girl is tearing her panties off to fuck some rockstar. So you can argue this ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 03:35 PM
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Yeah. They do. We do. It is a weakness that they will never fully resolve because the identical behavior can be explained by both (a) a woman seeing a particular high beta as alpha, or (b) no one she perceives as better wants her.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 03:18 PM
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I lost 50lbs (actually 60, 50 since finding the red pill) and am very close to my ideal weight of 130 at 5'6". Loss is slow now, 1/2lb a week because I'm practicing for a lifetime of maintenance. I'm really glad that you chose calorie counting. If you are really careful and accurate at that, and learn strategies for staying full on your calorie allowance, it will work. That is exactly how I did it! My tips honestly center more around long term adherence to your new way of eating. As for working …
/r/RedPillWomen30/05/16 08:57 PM
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http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2011/03/socio-sexual-hierarchy.html Above is Vox Day's hierarchy. Yes, alpha and beta are not enough categories and I detest the way TRP says "beta" as shorthand for weak/cuck/anything negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 09:11 PM
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It isn't a blog, but Mika Rose is my favorite apparel store right now. I love these kinds of dresses, this one in particular: http://www.mikarose.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=593 In general, the stores the LDS gals shop at are good for being modest but still cut in a current fashion and with attention to shape.
/r/RedPillWomen29/05/16 07:23 PM
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Regarding your conclusion, that providership is an incidental not a goal: I will argue that this actually depends on the woman. Maybe its another axis of AWALT or something, with some high and some low. You could measure it by looking at age of the "settling," or maybe if someone didn't ride the carousel proper but did marry a BB. I have firsthand experience with this, as well as know women who went both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 11:08 AM
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This is talking about mate selection, choosing for LTR, not visceral attraction. So the title is a bit deceptive. This is about people making pragmatic choices when considering their future. It is a good thing for women with earning power and/or intelligence, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 11:00 AM
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Who says it is genital touching? We are talking about girls who will count someone's hand brushing anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 01:11 AM
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I'm far more in love with my husband at the 10 year mark than I was at the 2 year mark. I vote yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 07:56 PM
1

55 minutes? Maybe if I'm in a wedding.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 02:34 PM
1

My husband knows. He approves of what this approach has done for our marriage. I don't know if he reads on his own at all.
/r/RedPillWives28/05/16 01:12 PM
1

American style poor doesn't destroy families.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 01:01 PM
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It can be done if you do without cable and smartphones, and mom can cook well, budget well and sew. There aren't many people willing to do that, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 12:59 PM
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The sex part is real. I stayed at home for a year after our middle child was born. That was pre red pill and I didn't have the right mindset, but I came a lot closer when I had that constant gratitude subroutine running in my mind. I felt like he absolutely deserved it whenever he wanted it, and not begrudgingly. I've read plenty of accounts of wives who don't react that way, but I can only speak for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 12:56 PM
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Thank you. I only spent a year at home but I am glad we got to try it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 12:53 PM
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I guess that the mechanical act itself isn't very pleasurable in isolation - until I started seeing it as being used for his pleasure, which then made it amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 12:52 PM
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Awwwww. I don't know what happened to you but I wish I could undo it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 12:50 PM
0

Yes! 69 is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 12:48 PM
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Now this would be some good television viewing, don't you think? Except for the deceptive editing and tortuous spin they'd have to put on it to make it suitable for The Narrative. In all seriousness, I am not against this kind of activity. I'm not in a place where I can take the lead, since my husband and kids need the hours when I'm not working, but I'll be giving thought to where and with whom efforts would not be wasted.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 01:22 AM
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Yes. It is just another excuse to bash men. We have all encountered someone who cuts us off, speaks dismissively, assumed you don't know anything. Acting like it is a male thing is just one more thing to ignore when it comes to the whole modern narrative we've got going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 01:19 AM
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I would look more seriously at marriage reform efforts - meaning actually spend time advocating, maybe lobbying, educating other women about how the hell this happened. How did at the same time as entitled deluded liberal arts girl students paraded around chanting meaningless statistics about their supposed oppression, did men get treated so badly that they walked away from such a bedrock of society? How did we get so stupid?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 12:09 AM
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Did you miss the part about kids being young? Have you spent any time caring for preschool aged children? You cannot feed your husband a "basic" meal every night. Even planning well, you are going to be thawing and cutting up and prepping e.g. breading a cut of meat, cutting up and cooking two kinds of produce, cutting up and cooking your starch. My husband loved dinner rolls, and those take time. I don't have a dishwasher, handwashing all of that takes time. I'm not talking about doing a cut ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 12:03 AM
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What I mean is that the first wave happened because men let it happen. And ever since then, we (women) push for something and we get it. We have created a narrative of oppression for ourselves and no one disputed it. Nowadays we've got young women who seriously and totally believe that they can do anything a man can do, physically. No one tells us otherwise, and the US Govt tacitly confirms it by removing any restrictions on women in the armed forces. Not one of these things could happen without…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 12:00 AM
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Cleaning a house and cooking for a family of 4 takes about 4 hours a day if the kids are young (constant messes, lots of laundry) and if you are cooking from scratch. Which you should be if you are a SAHM. Add on an hour for diapers and baths. You do get tired, though, running from mess to mess. This does leave spare hours, but they are broken up into 15 minutes bites. Someone really using their time wisely will manage to fit a workout and a hobby in there. There is value in not paying someone w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 11:50 PM
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Pastry is my hobby, so I am the dessert person. Here is my summer go to: http://doriegreenspan.com/2008/04/baking-with-dorie-extraordinary-lemon-cream-tart.html Creamy lemon curd filling, very easy to beautify with melted raspberry jam or a coulis.
/r/RedPillWives27/05/16 10:25 PM
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If things do cycle back towards fairness for men, you all are going to have to find a way to ensure you take a harsher line with us. If husbands collectively had shut down suffrage, the world would look very different. Without the constant struggle of men against nature reminding everyone of biological realities, in our soft world of conveniences, we'll keep getting greedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 08:05 PM
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There has been discussion about the finer differences between a girl who is alpha widowed and one who is a former carousel rider. They can look similar but the AW has trouble bonding because of a traumatic disrupted bond with one man, and the CC rider is more likely to have decoupled sex from intimacy and emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 07:08 PM
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Yes, I can. And he is more than satisfactory now that I have taken care to change the patterns that existed early on. He is the most important part of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 06:57 PM
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Thank you. I needed a reality check. I have never seen us as adversaries. We have always needed each other, women admittedly needing more. This feels so wrong, but feelings are what brought us here, aren't they.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 06:54 PM
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You I like.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 06:19 PM
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There has to be an answer. It can't be lifetime girlfriend/boyfriend. Elsewhere sacramental/religious marriage without civil marriage has been discussed. Or civil commitment ceremonies. Or something entirely different that satisfies the need a good woman has to make a family with her man. No AWALT feral whore talk please, you know damned well a sizeable minority of us will never act out, we control our instincts. We have built the damned world with the model we have, one man and one woman and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 05:58 PM
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Do you think anything will actually be done to improve things for men, or will the slide just continue until marriage is rare?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 05:47 PM
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Not really. If he is his wife's first experience, as long as he isn't a spineless doormat, he has a better shot. No guarantees and there have always been unhappy couples, but I can tell you from firsthand experience that there is such a thing as a high water mark and a guy that would have been perfectly satisfactory had he come first or second will seem dull once AFTER you've had a go with someone really exciting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 05:38 PM
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Yes. And what is done can only be modified, not undone. You can't get your 20s back, you can't un3some those Chads or whatever they got up to that they will someday have to deal with when they marry. A 30 year old man and woman taking the pill at the same time are in much different places, the man being better off. I know that doesn't help the feelings of the raging 23 year old whose oneitis cheated on him, but he has a better shot at happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 02:44 PM
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We deserve less sympathy than modern betas, but yeah, we are getting shafted societally too. Teach a girl from the cradle that she shouldn't want the submissive role, that is fine to sleep around, and of course it takes them until they are ~30 to even start to figure it out on their own. We don't want two different men for AF/BB, we want it to be one guy!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 01:15 PM
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That is regional. In my city the housing stock is similar in 80% of the neighborhoods, section 8 or not. People definitely cohabitate sooner than they otherwise would to save money though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 12:49 PM
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I have seen this. I think people are willfully blind to how conducive spending 40+ hours a week with someone you find attractive is to affairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 12:30 PM
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That isn't the only reason. That is just a contributor towards the mindset - we stood up and made promises in front of everyone. "Everyone" may not give a shit if we break those promises, but we do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 12:28 PM
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It isn't the magic paper that makes him want to stay. It is the underlying mindset and back of your mind knowledge that it would be a lot of work to separate that is a contributor towards working through things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 12:21 PM
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If he doesn't mind my legally changing my name to his, cohabiting and presenting to the world as husband and wife... ok, maybe there are some scenarios where it could be acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 12:19 PM
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I mean church shaped society. AD 1000 and on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 11:01 AM
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In ancient times, OK. Not in the West for the last thousand years.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 11:00 AM
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It isn't impossible, but she has to be aware (most aren't) and he should be very discerning about whether he truly turns her on in a primal way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 10:48 AM
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Women can value and bond with betas. It requires him to have enough masculinity to meet her threshold, and for her not to be sexually burnt out/alpha widowed. AF/BB can both be satisfied by someone not notably alpha to a terper.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 01:46 AM
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I've read some discussing n on this lately. And sacramental only marriages for the very religious. It's a thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 01:37 AM
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They should say that, yes. There has never been a fully supervised dieted fat person who didn't lose weight. Ever. Just extensive excuses and some need more help than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 12:47 AM
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I think that on balance you are right. More men holding up their end than women. But naturally the good moms and wives are off the market and not advertising, so you aren't going to notice them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 11:35 PM
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I want his name because we are a family am I am his wife. There is some ownership there, some symbolism.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 11:22 PM
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Your links don't debunk childrens outcomes, though. They just trash the National Marriage Project, specifically claims made about a dropping divorce rate. That is fine, since it is far from the only place that you can find this info. Would you accept census type data? The only dispute I've seen trying to explain away lower crime, higher educational achievement, better mental health and lower eventual divorce rates in children of married parents is the claim that it is the income alone making the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 11:20 PM
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They do initiate most divorces, yep. But it isn't as if all marriages have that 45% statistic hanging over their figurative heads. My husband and I fall into the lowest divorce risk category - first marriage for both, did not have children until after marriage, some college or degree for both, white, income, in a low divorce rate state. We are dropping towards single digit divorce likelihood as we approach 10 years married (at 8 now.) That isn't even touching vetting. It isn't a hopeless "welp I…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 11:14 PM
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I hear these arguments often, but even WITHOUT splitting out unhappy marriages, kids do better by the numbers. All this stuff seems right to you, so it must be right! Right? But the only way we have to measure this is outcomes, and they say married parents do best. Also, cohabitation isn't as good as marriage. http://family-studies.org/for-kids-parental-cohabitation-and-marriage-are-not-interchangeable/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 10:43 PM
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What matters to me is that I'm his partner and his helpmeet. We didn't have a party anyway, we eloped. I feel for men and the unappealing prospect Western marriage has become, and I feel for the women who fall in love with men who think this way. WE can't help the state of things, and we want to be wives, not brides...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 10:36 PM
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Now I'm just guessing, really. The ugliest of the ugly (or mentally deficient) don't get anyone, period. That is only a percent or two. That was probably always true. For the next few brackets, I think the AF/BB bit comes into play. There is still a portion of each kind of person marrying off fairly early and staying happyish. But there is a larger portion of low to mid level women having way more casual sex than 50 years ago (that's the part that isn't a guess,) and that does have some effect w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 10:28 PM
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I think it harms most men, helps those high on the tingles scale. When you basically promise 1:1 in the old system, the ugly women end up with the ugly men. Now the ugly men get no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 10:08 PM
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It means everything if you are genuinely religious. Apart from that, it is a symbol that still means something to those who make it mean something. Also, I'm no single momma, I'm not going to have a different name from my man and children.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 10:06 PM
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You have every right legally, of course. Do you really think your right to keep your heart safe is worth depriving a child of having a mother?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 10:04 PM
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petty, offensive, and pointlessly hurtful attitude Except for how children of married parents do better in every metric than kids of every other parental configuration.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 10:03 PM
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He has this dance that comes out at gatherings, anytime anyone is dancing. Very distinctive, his friends go "D's doing the dance." I jump in with him and its fun. Then we get thank you cards (if at a wedding) referring to the dance.
/r/RedPillWives26/05/16 02:11 PM
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Just how I refer to picturing how what I'm about to say will make him feel. Is it necessary, will it do any good, is it respectful. There are holes in the filter. But I try every day.
/r/RedPillWomen26/05/16 02:02 PM
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Closest thing is one guy my age that you cannot convince any cop can do anything right, ever, if a POC is running towards them with a gun out the cop needs to somehow figure out a way to magically not shoot because oppreshun. He's pretty far gone. I haven't seen him in person in several years, though, maybe he doesn't count. That's it. Some run of the mill feminism, some old friends post garbage FB images about how great it is to be a strong bitchy woman, but that is just failure to think more t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 01:22 PM
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More like do both. Don't put all of your eggs into an account that isn't even FDIC insured because everyone says it'll be fine and it makes women happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 10:15 PM
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One of these things is not like the other. They are all TRP, sure. But immaturity and hypergamy and are negative, wanting/benefitting from male leadership is not. We have really thrown the baby out with the bathwater.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 10:14 PM
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Yes. I bite my tongue often. Literally just close my mouth in the middle of the first word of the sentence that would have been naggy. It would be even better to apply the "good wife" filter before I start talking, rather than at the same time as, but I'm still learning!
/r/RedPillWomen25/05/16 06:40 PM
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Thank you for this answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 06:21 PM
2

Are you happy, Archwinger? In a basic, day to day sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 05:13 PM
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God. Yes. Yes! I have no professional ambitions either! My "ambition" is to be smart about working to maximize income for hours spent away from my family. I derive zero meaning from hitting KPIs and lowering our error rate. Zero! This may be the post I have enjoyed most in all RPW! I can see that there are too many exclamation points in my post, but they feel right, so they stay.
/r/RedPillWives25/05/16 04:56 PM
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How true it is cannot be answered very well at this time. Certainly you can love and be honorable and have oneitis for an ex or be alpha widowed. But these guys are looking at an environment where there is very little incentive for women to stick around through decades of ups and downs, long after the new relationship energy is gone. Why wouldn't they want someone with the fewest additional obstacles? People get so angry and disgusted at TRP. It actually taught me that most men really do want a …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 03:09 PM
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I've come back to this comment again, because you could talk about women who value loyalty. I have had chances to cheat and declined. There are two events in particular that any anger phase terper would guaran-freaking-tee I would have cheated for: the guy who alpha widowed me wanted me back, and at the lowest point in my marriage a coworker aggressively pursued an affair (he was also married.) The first I shut down instantly, the second made it to the second conversation where the gravity of wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 03:04 PM
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https://donalgraeme.wordpress.com/2014/01/24/thoughts-on-pair-bonding/ This is the best summary that I've seen. It is a couple years old but I don't think much has changed. That author is a Christian manosphere author, but the post linked isn't religious, just red pill. If you really have some time, go to therationalmale.com and search pair bonding. The author of the site is a "manosphere icon" and has written many of what function as textbooks for RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 02:06 PM
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Distribution/logistics (for a retail parent company) and now remittance processing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 01:17 PM
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Hiring managers have greater or lesser deciding power based on company culture and the degree to which HR has inveigled itself in the process. I am glad to hear that hard tech focuses more on actual skill. Relationship before task was a sad day for me. I thought being really good at the job itself was most important... for many jobs, greasing the wheels of multiple bitchy interlocking pieces IS being good at the job.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 12:52 PM
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They acknowledge pair bonding. But I can see why you wouldn't put much stock in their version, since that only believe it happens in limited circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 12:12 PM
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I have gotten more use out of the red pill than any single other source of information in my adult life. I was fucking miserable until I was given this model that explained what was going on and helped me identify where to start fixing. If im a fish on a hook, I'm a happy fish.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 11:57 AM
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I believe this. There are millions of folks walking around who understand the core red stuff more or less instinctively.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 11:52 AM
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Alpha bucks can be vulnerable, can have oneitis. Hypergamy is still satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 11:46 AM
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Serenity at Athol Kay's forum. She's a mod and coach. She wrote a book about low T marriages, she wasn't getting enough sex, he wasn't masculine... worth looking into.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 12:28 AM
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I didn't discuss it, really. Told one friend when it happened. It was worth it. I was in love with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 12:07 AM
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Gold star MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 12:06 AM
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Not to derail but does he have low T? and work out?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 12:06 AM
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They work with their hands but they cannot conjure food and shelter from open space like backwoods guys can. It is all dependent on the grid, on modern tech. You may well be right about the why.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 12:03 AM
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It makes him more hirable. I was very lucky in that I was taken in hand by the HR manager at my first real job (yes in retrospect it was because I was a cute 21 yo girl.) I was getting a rep for being bitchy and could not figure out why, and he told me "relationship before task." Focus on your relationships with people first.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 10:38 PM
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There is a kind of woman that really values competence... can this guy provide for my family with his own two hands. It is hot and its the perfect intersection of AF + BB. The only men I've met like that were backwoods types.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 10:34 PM
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No. Of course it isn't better to be a whore. What I mean is that I disapprove of a 45 year old guy targeting low N count young girls knowing full well he is going to pump and dump. If she's already been around the block, then it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 10:32 PM
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We totally need STEM. Its just that we will also ALWAYS need ranchers, and English teachers, and people to cut hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 08:33 PM
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I don't like the way the question was asked, but the thought behind it I understand. You get shrilling about how there aren't enough women in fancy male fields, blaming it on sexism, but crickets on why 17 year old girls who've been raised completely egalitarian or feminist don't even want it when they have every opportunity in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 08:32 PM
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There are masculine men here, men in the trades, yes. The women that are in those neighborhoods with them largely get the benefit. So a suburbanite gal could go looking, if she was aware that she wanted a more stereotypically masculine man. But they are still city boys. I'm really struggling to find words for this. EDIT: I should add that I grew up rural and moved to the big city at age 21.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 08:28 PM
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Last I checked the heading was Q4RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 08:26 PM
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C'mon, dude. You know there are plenty of experienced men who will take a sloppy, worshipful BJ over anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 08:18 PM
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I live in Philly. It isn't NY or LA, but it is very densely populated, so this isn't a knowledge issue. And I didn't mean to imply zero competition. Just enough interest that he would have no trouble meeting women tired of men who aren't much different than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 08:15 PM
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That they want to be led.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 08:14 PM
1

You know, I was about to accuse you of lying. Then I remembered that I don't spend a lot of time in TRP and I could be remembering wrong, so I went over and looked. The books that cannot possibly be called crap are on the MRP sidebar, not TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 08:12 PM
1

Yes. That would be a downside. What I find ideal and I've posted elsewhere is 5-10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 07:19 PM
1

Ahhh... "date/marry." These can be very different. I have zero problem with a 40yo man marrying a 20something woman. He gets a decade of youth, she gets her relative alpha. Just sex is skeevier, unless she was already a carousel rider when he met her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 06:51 PM
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You've read the entire sidebar?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 06:42 PM
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There is some jealousy, sure. I'm a proponent of age gaps as a fix for satisfying hypergamy. But not 20 year age gaps. This is for the same reason that polygamy isn't a good idea in general - if a few men do it, it is fine. If many men start to do it, you end up running out of women. Or in your case, if many 40 year old men date 20 year old girls, the 20something men will start to come up short.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 04:36 PM
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No one person can in good conscience claim to be representative of their entire gender. What I believe is that I have less ego than most and zero investment in Team Woman, and will admit to things that some can't even admit to themselves. I'm unqualified to state whether I represent a sizable minority or a simple majority of women "instincts" wise, but I believe that it is one of those two categories.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 03:56 PM
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Maybe not. But I'll wager nearly everyone is walking around with some processes going on that they are not fully aware of.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 03:51 PM
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Hmmm. I watched the original video and did not realize that she is autistic. My point was that both are extreme and not useful as examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 03:49 PM
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I am a woman who said that for years. "I'm not really into muscles." "Face and personality is more important." My first boyfriend/first love had a gut on him. I was fully convinced I wasn't into muscles. Then I wound up with a guy who was naturally built like a Viking and lifted too. I didn't go looking for it but by God once I had it it became really difficult to find undeveloped chests and love handles attractive ever again.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 03:34 PM
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Every man should be strong enough to toss his woman over his shoulder. It is not attractive when they haven't picked up anything heavier than a gallon of milk for years on end. There is a jump between that and muscle bound weightlifter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 03:28 PM
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He has a point that a man's man who can fix things, walk a certain way, relate in a certain way stands out in a crowd of purely suburbanite background men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 03:26 PM
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They aren't common in the sense that any average girl has a crack at them, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 03:24 PM
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They (we) don't consciously acknowledge what really turns us on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 03:20 PM
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Yeah this really isn't arguable. It is black and white.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 01:36 PM
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Women over 35 conceive kids with significant chromosomal abnormalities (Down syndrome being the big one) at frequencies that are orders of magnitude higher than those linked to sperm problems. Your eggs age right along with you - you were born with them. Men make sperm constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 01:35 PM
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Not even once
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 01:24 AM
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This is a mistaken view. Patriarchal Christians and terpers have massive differences, for starters. Compare Dalrock to Roosh...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 01:11 AM
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Just because he hung out on a forum called PUA hate to shit on women doesn't make him magically not a product of the manosphere He was a product of the manosphere the way Trigglypuff is a product of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 01:09 AM
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But bisexuality is liking the only two things there are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 12:33 AM
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You're right. The definition should be that arousal is enhanced by brains, but the looks have to be there in the first place. Cumberbatch's Sherlock IS hot, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 12:31 AM
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If he doesn't want my sexuality, my pleasure, my actual pussy to be exclusive to him, he is blowing up a meaningful percentage of the marriage. It is just not possible to even answer that question because its a domino effect leading to undermining about seven different things. EDIT: I'm a killjoy. Answer is no. It would also be a critical threat to my self image.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 12:27 AM
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The powers that be are very well aware of what feminism as the dominant ideology is doing to society. This would have to be a grassroots thing. And it would be no secret that I would like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 10:18 PM
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Go sublimemongrel! Unacceptable situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 08:18 PM
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What is she is 28, lost 50lbs at 23 and has been into fitness since then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 08:14 PM
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We are aware that high betas do well. Those of us with calm heads, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 07:55 PM
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Relax. I'm on your side.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 07:48 PM
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There is a flat earth society. Are you really going to argue that finding an example of something means it has any level if influence on the larger society?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 06:58 PM
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At what point, after how many decades of unrestricted access do you finally say, OK, we admit fewer women are suited for and want to do these jobs? The Swedish situation is telling. When there is no economic urgency and some of the weakest gender roles in the planet, still, men choose engineering and women choose social jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 06:55 PM
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He may be referring to how many female doctors go part time or how they self select into less demanding specialties. Still a weak point in the argument. You can't really argue that the people learning how to keep the lights on and the food produced are more male than female, and it would have been better to just acknowledge medicine does not fit this pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 06:49 PM
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You're right. I think it is going to get very ugly as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 06:39 PM
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I don't see how that relates, honestly. Yes, in our reality, the men were almost always doing the fighting. But it isn't as if the women could have accepted death and spared their families - their families were dead either way. My point is that we have never had a chance to see how men would react in this uniquely female situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 05:31 PM
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So you see this as binary. Loyal yes/Disloyal no. What about someone who is loyal with no incentives either way, still loyal with light incentive to be disloyal, but then disloyal when the incentive gets huge?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 05:27 PM
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The only reason to go 20 years without orgasm (or almost without) is that you weren't attracted to your partner or you made no effort at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 05:20 PM
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Very good post exploring nuance. What we need is more complicated than what men need. No doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 05:06 PM
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I'm usually the first one to wallow in acknowledging women's negative traits, but I just can't swallow it on war brides. Don't you think that if there was a conquering female tribe who overran your village, was going to win anyway and would spare men's very lives if they became concubines or similar that the men wouldn't have gone along?!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 05:00 PM
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Agree. I am just gutted at thinking about my husband telling me to bang someone else. He is SUPPOSED to want to keep that for himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 04:18 PM
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Well, yeah. They do something and watch something that is totally incompatible with my wiring.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 04:16 PM
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Their brains must work COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY than mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 12:39 AM
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Ejaculation reduces risk of prostate cancer. This is just one very unsurprising effect, since we are talking about an entire body system that you are... what? Suggesting they ignore? http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/844820 Gnawing-stomach-hunger like levels of desire is how it has been described to me. I think that you are a woman - try to understand that it isn't the same for the other gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 12:09 AM
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Not a need in terms of food clothing and shelter, nope. But the urge and the drive is a lot higher in people with the levels of testosterone men have. And they do need to ejaculate, and often their sex partners are the only touch they get... I'm not comfortable dismissing men's sex drive as "not a need."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 11:58 PM
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He has a point that the job we need to keep people alive and utilities running are male dominated and that includes preparatory education for those jobs. Women pick softer stuff more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 07:10 PM
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I thought that "last minute" specific resistance was once you had already started carrying on? I guess those could be excuses used after that point... EDIT: I've totally said "I'm hairy" after kissing begins. It is intended as a warning should he wish to course correct, not resistance... is this LMR?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 07:07 PM
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This is going to sound condescending, and I don't intend for it to be. Girlfriends that last a year or two, or even five, are only an approximation of marriage. When you are fully committed - that means no ILYBINILWY option, no frivorce, and the years stack up, the dynamics shift and mature. Consideration for our spouse, their dignity and that of the marriage bed must come first to keep that all happy over decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 04:42 PM
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Mods and vanguard are mature, as are the writers of the sidebar texts. I don't doubt that there are plenty of teenagers, but they are passengers, not driving the bus.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 04:38 PM
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Do you see the logical leap you made there? He could have abstained from sex, therefore he isn't responsible for his own decisions? You would benefit from stepping back and reading some of the better threads before jumping in and letting your feelz rule your words.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 03:55 PM
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He didn't have the ultimate choice, though, mom did. Her body and all. If that even had anything to do with this part of the discussion, which it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 01:27 PM
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Yes, agree. All of these kinds of things illustrate how many people do not view the preservation of the marriage and the health of the marriage as the primary goal, including accepting that you just can't act like a single person anymore, and that means more than simple sexual fidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 12:24 PM
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I believe the world is full of people trashing men for just wanting sex, sleeping around, but women almost NEVER get called out on manipulative, conniving sexual behavior. If you dare to, it is shouted down as slut shaming. AF/BB at its very worst can look like what you describe. Both sides would be little better than animals at that point. But she intentionally lied, and he did not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 01:56 AM
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My post was about what kind of talking starts to equal an emotional affair. Uncertain why you pretended to misunderstand that "I would love ______" could possibly mean a cheeseburger, when clearly it meant something like getting licked awake in the morning. Describing specific details about sex life are not a good idea with opposite sex folks. Not with any folks IMO but this is about crossing the line with someone you could be attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 01:52 AM
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Hmmmm. I actually agree with what I think you are saying... throwaway casual sex isn't a good idea. But his sin in following his wiring (fucking a beautiful woman) is not as great as her sin in lying and then taking him for everything she can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 01:35 AM
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Sexuality, for starters. Explict acts, statements such as "I would love _________," talking about what your spouse does or does not do in bed. I believe a man should be able to trust his wife to have his back as his sole partner through his life - you leave your father and your mother, cleave to your spouse and become one flesh. So speaking critically about him, his decision making, his body, the interactions between the two of you to any opposite sex person with whom exists any sexual tension w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 01:26 AM
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It is in poor taste either way, for sure. But the rest of the country is happy to criticize husbands, not so much wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 01:21 AM
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IMO discussing intimate topics with another man, or divulging sensitive information about the relationship on any regular basis would qualify.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 11:54 PM
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LMR is really only applicable for the first or maybe first few times a pair has sex, right? When she is still walking that line between putting out too fast vs too late. If you are regular sex partners, CERTAINLY spouses, it should not apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 11:53 PM
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Its just an unnecessary term for casual dating, which people have been doing since the beginning of time. Well, not really. It presumes (a) sex is going on, and (b) courtship, or intentionally deciding if someone is spouse material, is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 07:33 PM
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Two things. (1) There are women who have been such massive harping bitches that they have destroyed the pathway in their husband's mind for accepting criticism or even advice. Maybe you haven't seen this, but I have. When such a woman is trying to change, and finds herself in a car where hubby missed the exit, she is going to do less damage keeping her mouth shut than trying to somehow develop the ability to speak gently, and get him to respond positively when the dynamic has been terrible for y…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 07:27 PM
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That advice is for women who have systematically beaten the metaphorical shit out of their husbands. Yes, yes, yes. Everyone latches onto that and just cannot conceive that she has been such a bitch for so long that it is impossible for her to constructively criticize without a massive reset and recovery period.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 07:24 PM
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Thank you. It is straight up disgusting how many women just casually trash their spouses. If you can't praise him yet at least keep your TRAP SHUT.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 07:20 PM
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I say this about TRP when trying to explain it to other women. People hear good advice, smart advice all the time. It doesn't sink in, it isn't motivating, there is nothing noteworthy about it and we can all rationalize that we aren't doing that much differently than said advice. TRP is SO different, SO extreme and SO hardlined that it penetrates where everything else doesn't, and in the learning and application it is going to get somewhat watered down anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 07:16 PM
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Not in my worldview or experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 06:19 PM
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Men have gut instinct about which women are whores too. Does this instinct go wrong, sometimes? What about the hapless types who get messed around on multiple times and just can't believe their schnookums could do such a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 06:18 PM
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Scorched earth. MGTOW. Ok. I have such a strong drive to be part of a mated pair that I am having a hard time envisioning how bad things would get before I said screw it, WGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 06:17 PM
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His anecdote is what makes it powerful for him. There are a whole lot of those anecdotes out there, and no one giving a shit on a societal level, even just to determine if it is statistically significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 06:14 PM
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I believe you on the "justify it" part. I've certainly heard some breathtakingly twisted attempts at explaining why it was okay in her case.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 06:12 PM
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But my understanding was that this is a don't ask, don't tell in marriages, after the honeymoon stage, and previously for men only recently for women. Not tearing your panties off for strange D when you have a boyfriend with whom the novelty isn't gone yet anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 05:27 PM
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Agree. Cheated on multiple times? It isn't the girls, or at least not only the girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 05:25 PM
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I'm married. I don't give LMR. Even when things weren't good, it was yes or no. It's been so long since anyone else that I can't remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 05:24 PM
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You know, I really, really disagree with this. It may be true that orgasm requires those circumstances. But passion and arousal is generated very often in illicit circumstances, competitive circumstances, and other scenarios where she responds viscerally to something that makes per position LESS secure, not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 04:40 PM
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lol. Struck me as really funny. I have no doubt that some men's attempts at this stuff fail because their wives notice them scoping to set up a flirtation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 04:38 PM
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I sent my husband these on his birthday http://www.berries.com/product/Full-Dozen-Sports-Strawberries-30008559?q=football&searchhistory=&ref=HomeNoRef&trackingpgroup=productsearch&viewpos=2&ratings=4.5682&reviews=88 He often asks me to dip strawberries. Loved it and I heard about it later from one of his coworkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 04:28 PM
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These perks are the opposite of what would appeal to me. When I get a day off alone, I usually bake or can or attempt DIY stuff. But even if it was my dream environment, no. I'm a helpmeet for one man, not a toy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 04:16 PM
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I do subscribe to hypergamy. Just like I subscribe to male polygyny. Neither one is a guarantee of actual behavior, just of instincts. Now admittedly some of the checks on hypergamy have been removed. Maybe most of them - if you believe it was nothing besides post divorce poverty and social shaming that was keeping us from whoring it up. I don't believe that is all that it was, because there are other drives I can identify within myself that keep me from even looking around. I'm not really ready…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 04:11 PM
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I don't seem to be able to identify the utterly one dimensional posters until I've wasted a few hundred extra words...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 04:06 PM
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You are lying to yourself because you just can't cede a point. Everyone in the first world has more or less leisure time. I've been on Reddit a couple of months. Before that, it was something else. After I get bored here or don't need to read RPW/PPD/MRP so much, it will be something else. Just like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 02:23 PM
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This is absolutely the way LTR/married dread is handled. Don't confuse it with playing games with sluts in a bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 02:21 PM
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In my scenario, she withheld sex first. He asked for sex, pleaded for sex, maybe saw a counselor who told him to do more dishes, and then 3 years later Googled "why won't my wife have sex with me" and wound up on MRP. MRP, of course, has him follow a protocol with many steps that also includes a lot of work on himself, his body and his mental habits. If he works through the first 6 steps and after all that, they still aren't having sex, THEN the manipulative means to elicit behavior begins. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 02:20 PM
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A few years of hard times are worth working through. What else were you making vows about better or worse for?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 02:13 PM
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Now this is where blue pill is right: this particular TRP axiom is true about certain types of women. I promise you there is another type that doesn't fucking share.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 02:10 PM
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Somewhere doing something productive. This week, I've made and canned 8 pints of baked beans on top of normal meal prep. Why don't you go Google baked beans from scratch, using dried navy beans. Worked 35 hours at my paid job, spent an hour a day on homework with my eldest kiddo, baked a Princess Peach birthday cake for my middle child, normal housework and laundry, and went for a run this morning. 30 day shred the other days. Yes, I'm so very unproductive. There is NOTHING silly about trying to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 02:07 PM
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Nope. I don't do "hatefuck." If I dislike you, I don't want you touching me at all. I'm certainly not going to let you see me naked or give you pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 12:38 PM
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No. I don't share. I'll be celibate first. The sole exception would be extreme economic or wartorn circumstances, where I had no romantic interest anyway. Of course I would join a "harem" situation if the alternative was repeated gang rape or the starvation of my children.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 12:35 PM
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Where do you think the line is between reasonable caution and just taking your marbles and going home because the game is harder than you want it to be? Social media does make it easier to wander, and even faithful types now have another area to be "on guard" in. There is still a leap between seeing it would be easy and believing no meaningful percentage of women would abstain.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 12:30 PM
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Now this I really enjoyed reading. I agree. In fact, getting some of your emotional needs met elsewhere is actually part of Reddit red pill advice, both in MRP and RPW. Of course they mean same sex friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 12:28 PM
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Far more often than we're led to believe. So, do you subscribe to "its just your turn?" That the chances of her branch swinging out outright cheating is so high that it isn't worth looking for one who won't?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 12:25 PM
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That seems like it would be true, and maybe it is over decades. I haven't found it to be true in my own marriage, but we all know anecdata isn't worth much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 12:24 PM
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This might be indicative that the type of girl who wants to go overseas to study is more likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 12:20 PM
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Isn't the DNA argument about prehistory? Maybe before marriage was really relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 12:18 PM
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Thank you for your reply. From this I gather that you are looking at things in terms of whether she did or did not bond with him securely, in very serious LTR/marriage. How about shorter term girlfriends? Does this make a difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 12:17 PM
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Incredibly charismatic, handsome men are born. Men who are alpha enough to arouse their wives? They can be made. Getting fit and behaving in a masculine fashion alone (and there is a lot of learning involved in that second part, I'm not surprised some have tried and failed) put guys in the top quartile. Then of course there is the fact that women used to have sex even if they weren't dripping for their husbands like they do for Henry Cavill because that was the deal. It is still possible in indi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 01:33 AM
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Do you see a wife refusing to have sex with her husband as him not getting his way? That is a good faith question. Hurting your spouse in order to keep them... I would try some pretty drastic stuff to keep my family together.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 01:02 AM
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It all comes down to how much effort you think these guys have put into fixing things the conventional way, which involves a whole lot of communication. YEARS of communication. My husband certainly tried that. That plus wanted to uphold vows and some fear of being taken to the cleaners in a divorce...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 12:42 AM
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Recommended when the female partner is not meeting his sexual needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 12:11 AM
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Maybe female sex bots will really be a major thing for men. They will never replace men, though. Many of us get zero out of casual sex already. What makes sex good for me is knowing I am a man's wife, meeting his needs, that we are forging our way together in the world... I do not and will not ever want a vibrator with a face on it. It misses the entire point. No matter how much effort I have to put in to a real man, he will always win over a fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 12:09 AM
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Openly flirting, no. Women approaching and him being charming and charamastic? It is a mixed bag. But we aren't meant to like it. We are meant to realize that we don't have him in our back pocket, and he does have options. There is such a thing as being gauche and embarrassing himself, which may be what the OP's ex was doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 08:54 PM
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I wasn't there, so I can't say for sure. But based on how many very conservative people were still around in the 1980s when I was a child, I'll bet that there were way more in the 1960s. Courtship and the beginnings of modern dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 04:25 PM
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I hadn't seen your link before. Very interesting, and makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 03:22 PM
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If you want what those men 50 years ago wanted - a faithful, loving wife - then it is harder. If you want casual sex and view everything as fluid and sex is no big thing - then its easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 01:46 PM
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Part of the feminine is emotional support. That strength is mocked, dismissed, and torn apart in modern culture Ah. We are defining "the feminine imperative" differently. When it is used by a red pilled person, it means that society is being molded to make things easier for women to get what they want, with no concern (or even intentional malice) about the negative repercussions to both men and the larger society. It really isn't about the positives of femininity at all - you and I would probabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 01:44 PM
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When I say "fit RP well," I mean respond well to male led dynamics in particular - that they are wired that way, and 21st century yougogiiirrrrrlll hasn't overwhelmed that. AWALT and orbiters and doormats follow, of course, but every bit of this is an issue because we are pretending up is down.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 12:58 PM
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Can I ask how much time you've spent on other "red" sites? Or purple ones? I'm curious if your exposure is mostly Reddit. There is a lot here, of course, but I sometimes find myself arguing a point that is based on something more patriarchal Christian based, or MMSL purple based, than TRP. This is why I have no problem reconciling the existence of RPW with red pill thinking as a whole - we've got the edgiest ones here, but they aren't The One True Way. As for the larger culture, politics, entert…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 12:49 PM
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OP, I suspect that the proportion of people who fit RP well is probably more then half, less than 90%. That is enough to have generated years or decades of experiences in believers... combine that with the fact that most people are not particularly logical thinkers or good at debate. I am not sure what you expected to happen, but it is a very rare argument that changes someone's mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 11:53 AM
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Reduction is still a good goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 11:45 AM
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I know 2 myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 11:38 PM
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Guess so! I meant more along the lines of why didn't I ever want to ride the carousel. I'm a high IQ female INTJ who is deeply submissive, not just sexually, to her husband figure, and fairly antisocial. Just trying to figure things out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 08:38 PM
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Good post. A clearer explanation of why with privileges must come responsibilities, and that isn't what we've got in romance currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 06:40 PM
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I can't speak for all red pill, or even all red pill women. But a good chunk of the latter will agree more or less with what I state here. Once you realize that you want a committed, long term romantic relationship (hopefully early in your adult life,) then yes, sex is for monogamy and romance. It isn't to scratch an itch, it isn't something you share with friends or buddies. To that end, all of the decisions that you make regarding sex and any other forms of intimacy with the opposite sex are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 06:21 PM
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So a girl who is 22 years old, self aware and forward thinking could really clean up by just stepping back and finding someone her level who happens to push her particular buttons. She could find husband material that way, just by being one who is smart enough to see the writing on the wall. I'll be back when my girls are 15 yo to figure out what to teach them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 04:04 PM
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a more active prefrontal cortex Thank you for giving me something new to look at when I try and figure out why I am such a weirdo. Srsly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:59 PM
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I've got to give points to my husband on this topic. Pre red pill, when I was unhaaaaaappppy, he was super passive, I asked him "what would you do if I cheated on you?" What a piece of shit thing to even ask. Anyway, he got a crazy look on his face and said "I would leave you."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:33 PM
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This is going to sound just stupid sentimental. The ports/receptors/puzzle pieces are different after he is gone. It isn't enough to say that this specific kind of heartbreak changes a woman - each relationship changes people to some extent. The best way I can describe it would be a gardening analogy. The initial relationship where she falls hard and fast is a deeply rooted tree. When he breaks it off, his roots take all the soil between and around them. She gets over it over time in the sense t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:20 PM
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It isn't about trust. Well, maybe a little. Mostly its a squick factor. I am legitimately sorry if that sounds insulting, it so isn't meant to be. Just very different people is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 02:57 PM
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So if you have a female friend that you like, spend time with and have sex with, where is the line between that and a relationship? And is your gf honestly happy with hanging out with other girls who have had her man?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 02:41 PM
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This is 10 years out of date.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 02:37 PM
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You are jeopardizing that friendship if you aren't fucking. What? I literally do not understand this. Are you saying you regularly fuck your friends? Edit: I see downstream that you do exactly this. Disregard.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 02:32 PM
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This is one kind of alpha widowhood, no doubt. My husband's uncle had one girlfriend at age 20 and nothing since - he kept her love letters. The other kind, the kind I think TRP is more worried about but doesn't necessarily define, is where you do heal, you are over him - but you aren't the same as you were before in a very specific way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 01:59 PM
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It isn't absolute. None of what we talk about here is absolute. It will be overcome completely if the girl encounters another man who excites her as much as the first guy and who is willing to commit to her. This is possible if we are talking about a girl who was young when "alpha widowed," and hasn't been through tons of sexual partners. Her threshold for excitement/attraction necessary for bonding is still higher than it would have been, but that doesn't matter if the new guy rings all the bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 01:54 PM
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Yes. We do this with male attention as either a primary or secondary goal. Primary is self explanatory. Secondary just means that you may have been thinking about looking hot in front of some girl you don't like, or because you know every other girl going out will look that way, but everyone is still aware of and pleased with knowing they will be looked at sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 01:44 PM
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Would you say the girls are not aware that while dressing revealingly to compete/be approved "in group," it is going to draw sexual attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 01:42 PM
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No. I get more pleasure and fulfillment out of the masculine/feminine dynamic (and the sex itself) than I do pain. I wouldn't change.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 12:50 PM
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Not nice? I'm driving at an underlying mindset that I believe is one of several reasons people can't stay together.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 01:05 AM
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Not any otherwise healthy couple below 70 years of age, no. At what point does going without sex turn something from romantic into platonic? How else would you describe romance besides love + sex? Everyone has covered asexuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 12:26 AM
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Little derail: I really, really hope you can recreate the intimacy. I hope she wants to fix things, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 12:23 AM
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You may see a lot of that in your circles, but I assure you, there are plenty of us who like it old school.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 12:21 AM
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This thread was linked again elsewhere and I just saw your comment. You are right - that poster did assume I don't let him do what he wants. I stopped saying No and it really did help.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 12:11 AM
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But this isn't quite the same as alpha widowhood. I almost never think of my "alpha." The feelings are dead (I know because he tried to rekindle much too late.) Doesn't change that he "took" that potentially once in a lifetime bond, tore it loose and damaged the moorings in my heart. I never talk like this. Ever. It is hard to describe, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 12:08 AM
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I've known and still know women who can absolutely turn a discussion about where to go to dinner into melodrama. I even know a few that if you ask them about it the next day don't remember that they managed to pick a major fight about it, as they are totally incapable of seeing their own behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 12:06 AM
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Yes. It is real. I'm alpha widowed. I'm not telling the whole story again (have told it here before) but one intense relationship dulled my ability to bond easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 12:03 AM
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You are GOING to be dealing with these situations. No. You aren't. The cop doesn't see you twice a week dressed in spandex, touch your body, observe your body, correct your form maybe with his hands, etc. Neither does the plumber, or the accountant, and certainly not the drive through kid. Even the gynecologist may have a chaperone, and that is once a year for 5 minutes. I get it. People think it is nuts to change their everyday lives to be respectful to their spouse. It is just a symptom of a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 12:01 AM
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Why do I have to talk to a faceless internet dude who openly dislikes women to hear basic common sense shit? Going back to my corner now.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 11:58 PM
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It can become a problem, but isn't necessarily one. I really have no opinion on toys, as they have never been my speed.
/r/RedPillWives17/05/16 10:04 PM
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You are making some leaps here. If there is a way not to spend alone time with a hot opposite sex person, it is wiser to take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 08:05 PM
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In my experience, trainers can have the opposite affect to that of a doctor or other pro. Repeated time together over weeks and months, the heart is pumping, the clothes are revealing, and he is in a quasi leadership role. All the ingredients are there. I watched a show a few weeks back that had me jumping up and shouting "SEE! I TOLD YOU!" because I had had a similar discussion regarding trainers with someone else. It is called Fat Chance, and the episode started with a chubby girl who had been…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 04:20 PM
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No. You can't cripple your day to day life, and there are some people who literally can't keep it in their pants. I don't want 'em. Just be smart and if you can avoid being alone with someone who turns you on, why wouldn't you? There is a reason so many cultures chaperoned one man/one girl or woman spending time together forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 04:15 PM
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It makes sense. Just different degrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 03:55 PM
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You choose someone you don't find attractive. If that isn't possible and you really need personal training, no private/alone sessions. People do stupid things all the time, look back and cannot remember what felt so urgent at the time that they needed to blow up their life. Stop short of crippling day to day activities, of course, but I think people don't give nearly enough attention to avoiding situations in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 02:49 PM
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It is more that there is no reason to choose to put yourself in that kind of proximity to opposite sex folks that you find attractive. It just isn't mature, respectful behavior when you have a serious SO.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 02:27 PM
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Do professionals somehow emit some attraction neutralizing aura that makes it totes safe to have close physical contact with someone that you would find very attractive if you met them elsewhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 02:24 PM
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You can trust someone - or they can prove themselves trustworthy - and it is still just smart to avoid temptation. In fact, proactively avoiding temptation is part of what makes someone smart/trustworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 02:23 PM
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You aren't denying her health, for crying out loud. Is there some rule that the only way to get healthy is to spend one on one time with hot dudes?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 02:22 PM
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So, two different things. One is close physical contact with a hot guy, and the other is whether she'll think too much of herself if she gets very fit. Would you be thinking about the second bit if sexypants trainer wasn't going to have his crotch near her face spotting her on lifts?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 02:22 PM
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Best answer
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 10:57 AM
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But what if your girlfriend decides to fuck with you? http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324600704578405280211043510
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 07:48 PM
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Do you have any concerns that these steps make false rape accusations more common? Are you aware of how devastating they are for a man? Are you further aware that the marquee stats thrown around on how many women are "sexually assaulted" and how rare false accusations are are at best weak and at worst false? I don't actually want answers. I just want someone whose mind is consumed with the supposed rape culture to consider why other damage is acceptable. And I didn't mean many rape spaces. I mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 07:21 PM
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There are many such spaces, though. But you have got to consider the unintended consequences of any such measures. See the clusterfuck that Title IX is turning into. EDIT: there are many spaces that make various crimes easier. I was NOT referring to rape, specifically. You cannot make every environment rape proof, murder proof, ID theft proof, false accusation proof. when you try beyond a reasonable level, you start hurting the space and the other people in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 07:04 PM
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To protect victims? Yes. To protect onlookers? I don't have an opinion, but if pressed, I would say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 06:39 PM
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When I first met my husband, I was so uncomfortable with his sister because she was constantly sniping at her husband. Just biting his head off no matter what he said or did. It was a very good impetus to speak sweetly to my husband when we were together, even if I stumbled mentally.
/r/RedPillWives16/05/16 06:19 PM
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That is a false dichotomy. You don't have to choose between stopping underage drinking and stopping rape. But the situation we have now has people claiming that it is a rape culture if we don't close our eyes to everything else surrounding the rape (or potential rape.) The education should not be "teach men not to rape," it should be "here are the actual situations where people get assaulted. We will focus on the perpetrators, you also focus on keeping yourself safe." Try saying anything like th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 06:12 PM
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There are always going to be consequences for making bad decisions. It is nothing but claiming that women don't have agency to try and plan a society where girls get a free pass on stupidity because men do bad things too. And that is exactly what acting like that girl shouldn't have to worry about underage drinking would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 05:55 PM
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I shave my arms, too. I've got dark brown hair naturally, and am a hairy person, and I found I basically HAVE to shave my arms to avoid giving that "hairy woman" signal. Unlike all other shaven hair, it never thickens (or appears to thicken) or grows in coarse.
/r/RedPillWives16/05/16 01:53 PM
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Sounds like a whole lot of women who didn't go to liberal arts programs. I recently learned I'm "racist." Not by any sane standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 12:21 AM
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Uhhhh I hadn't heard about this. Sure, you get some folks acting out in the comments sections of topical blogs, and there can be some virtue signaling right up to outright peacocking. But who is claiming that you are trying to get attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 12:18 AM
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Yes, this. Its real. That doesn't mean it isn't pathological.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 11:34 AM
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I did not mean gender flipped roles. But I didn't specify...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 08:20 PM
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Yes, people can overcome their baser natures. But you either have to instill bedrock values so that they are literally almost as intrinsic as AWALT urges, OR create strong incentives for good behavior. Bedrock values don't happen often with the death of religion (and that wasn't a panacea either, it just helped) and women are no longer punished socially for sleeping around, cheating, leaving their husbands etc. So while people CAN overcome their baser natures, realistically, most won't. EDIT: I …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 06:03 PM
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I'm very low on the branch swinging axis of AWALT. Everything else fits. knowingly married a man to whom I was less attracted than my ex (betabux in the form of beta comfort) was unhaaappppyyy for several years, lost attraction to my husband (that I had chosen for beta traits !) and didn't know why am attracted to big muscular shoulder and chests, stoic stereotypically masculine men. Respond really well to being dominated, derive sexual heat from being submissive can hamster any conflict so that…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 05:10 PM
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Agree!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 04:46 PM
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Certainly true for me. I'm not particularly feminine or submissive, am a confident leader at work, but there is a line I step over with romantic relationships. That is where the submission begins, lives and ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 03:43 PM
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Yes. Yes yes. I've yet to see a more attractive man than him right up through the 1980s.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 03:41 PM
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Fat doesn't count for the purposes of this discussion. If you have two people who both stay fit and take care of themselves an adequate amount - moisturizer and sunscreen, no more - the women lose looks value earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 01:15 PM
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Or AB.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 01:03 PM
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Exactly. I would odds if you profiled the faithful married women 25-45, you would find a shockingly large percentage that would respond really well to their husbands becoming more masculine, more stoic, more muscular.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 12:50 PM
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If I was more sensitive, I'd take offense to blue claim. TRP fits me, therefore I am toxic? Or likely to be toxic. I've got a low N count, friends I've had for decades, kids I love, am loving and generous, have been with the same man faithfully for a decade and will be forever. I do, however, recognize certain impulses within myself that very much align with, say, Rollo's descriptions of women's nature. I use that info to work on myself. Am I toxic? Are others unwilling to acknowledge their own …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 12:46 PM
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RP uses "husband must be the most attractive man" or "be the best she can get" to avoid inability to bond - alpha widowhood (I realize many here don't believe in it. Reds do.) So yes, the concepts run into one another, and I agree that the husband doesn't need to be the most attractive. But he does need to be very damned attractive, and RP is not about nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 01:10 AM
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Yes. And they are bad at judging their own aging appearance, too. "I'm 45 but always mistaken for someone 10 years younger." Yah buddy, ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 11:21 PM
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If the goal is staying together and giving to each other selflessly, happiness and sex follows. This is true on the surface. I don't know many people who give selflessly, though. If you've got a woman trudging through the ups and downs of life, meeting her family's needs, going to work, and she has to do it all without that bedrock of a man she trusts to hold her and fuck her right at night, things suck. I'll lay odds the percentage of women who will do that long term for a man whose touch she o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 11:12 PM
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I've seen plenty of my peers tell themselves they look early 20s (I'm 32.) They don't, they look late twenties.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 11:06 PM
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They are married less than any other demographic, divorce more and die younger. Tell me how they are doing better?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 11:05 PM
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If men she considers high status want her at 200 or 300lbs, then I guess it is working for her. They go well beyond thick, though, and most men aren't into that. Edit: http://stateofobesity.org/disparities/blacks/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 11:03 PM
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This needs bumping. I'm freaking sick of beta being an insult around here. It isn't, it just means stable, responsible, provider, comfort. The second guy in the OP's scenario is much lower than beta, certainly than high/greater beta. Greater betas may not have harems but they have women who put out like they want them to put out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 10:37 PM
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It is real, and I've hit it. The dewiness and glow to my skin is greatly reduced, and the planes have changed. It is, plainly, more mature. It isn't so much about looking good in "club wear." If you work at it you can look good in tight clothes right through middle age, since losing fat and building muscle is controllable. It is the face and neck. Fine lines, less pinkness and moisture to skin, the contours of the neck/jaw change, the area around the eyes thins out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 10:16 PM
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Right. I don't care if you don't like it much, if your spouse loves it, you do it now and then. Unilateral denial is selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 05:32 PM
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Acts in the bedroom take nothing away from your "life priorities," though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 05:23 PM
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This. We like it when our strong, masculine man who can take on anything shows us a slice of vulnerability. The dose makes the poison.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 12:31 PM
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I wish this wasn't true. I don't like it about myself/most women. It is completely true, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 12:26 PM
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Agree. And don't lie to a spouse
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 10:05 AM
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Wtf no
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 09:57 AM
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sex daddy =/= actual daddy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 01:25 AM
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This is all stuff for the early years. Come back and talk to me when you've lived together and dealt with debt and busted plumbing and sick kids for a decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 12:39 AM
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Yeah I never though of myself as freaky but I really like this answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 12:37 AM
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It shouldn't happen haphazardly. Some freaking discretion is appropriate. But what do you do when your husband asks you point blank "have you ever done this?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:13 PM
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I was attracted. Didn't lust for him, though. He was a beta comfort. I don't fit AF/BB exactly, but close enough. I had had a crazy intense relationship with all that animal lust who dumped me, then a boyfriend who cheated on me... I met my husband still healing from all of that and married him because I loved him quickly and it was clear as day he was loyal and would never hurt me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:11 PM
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No kidding. At our worst mine wouldn't have accepted that crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 10:07 PM
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Its been two years since I read this take on things, came to the 'sphere. I accepted it, and changed my behavior (meaning all acts are on the table, no more Nos) and I still get some gut churning guilt about the first 8 years my husband and I were together. These women have got to stop framing everything in terms of their own feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 09:59 PM
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I can buy that some women actually feel this way. Plenty are just telling themselves and their husband that, though. When they divorce, they give wild sex to their new boyfriends after years of nearly dead bedrooms with the H.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 09:54 PM
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I wasn't viscerally attracted to him the way I was my ex. This is why I shake my head when I read stuff like "maybe they need to communicate more" and "sex isn't one size fits all." When you want a man, the only things you will deny him are things that would be truly traumatic for you. Either someone is lying or we are working with different models of people and have no good way of figuring out which is which. EDIT: I didn't really answer well. RP changed that because it shifted my view from blu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 08:12 PM
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I've had 3 kids. I did the physical work to carry them, absolutely. And the infant care. After that, dads play a huge part. Even if they didn't, I'm a female mammal. I care for kids. It would be a massive waste of my energy to fret about that, or whether it is fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 07:15 PM
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You SHOULD be entitled to getting your needs met in marriage. That includes sexual needs, need for physical contact, need to vent and to support. Why the fuck else would people ever get married if they thought they weren't going to have all of these things satisfied? Really, words like entitled (or beholden, to flip things) have no place in marriage. For it to work both people have to be simultaneously trying to be the best version of themselves and always trying to satisfy their partner.) So al…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 03:56 PM
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What about red pill has helped you as a woman? Well, not the PUA type stuff! Mostly seeing a secular recognition of what I was taught via religion as a child and had abandoned as an adult - male headship, female submission. Also a really clear window into what men actually want and need - not what they are allowed to ask for.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 03:00 PM
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sexydude, I'm on your side. But there is a problem with TRP accepting divorce rape as received wisdom and it isn't borne out by the numbers anymore. And where are you getting the info about men paying child support for kids predating the marriage who have other fathers? Only if they adopted these kids. Now this isn't true if you count losing anything as divorce rape. I'm talking about the cases where she brought nothing to the marriage and walks with a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 02:57 PM
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I am an idiot to start replying to you, but I'll do it once anyway. (1) I don't want what most people would call a high value man. I value our monogamy much higher than status, flash, etc. (2) He had other girls before me. The time for fucking around was then.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 02:16 PM
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submissiveness and femininity =/= weakness
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 02:05 PM
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You really lash out in these threads, in a manner that damages credibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 02:04 PM
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Divorce rape may be overblown. If 2% of millions of divorces are dramatically unfair, that is a lot of horror stories on the internet. I'm more concerned with the fact that the built in hypergamy-mollifier of male headship is gone, and so the very nature of the marriages is more tenuous even when ignoring the legal and financial ramifications.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:55 PM
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What is going on in RPW is that we've figured out being a strident bitch and claiming its empowering isn't good for romantic relationships. It isn't magic, and no one thinks it is. But you talk like every 60 year old dude a) has the option to get with much younger women, and b) would trash their lives to do it. Go look at the stats on divorce at 55 and up and we'll talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:51 PM
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Amen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:44 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:29 PM
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Yes. But I didn't, for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:27 PM
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raises hand I'm a second example. Not anymore, because nothing is off limits now, but before I found RP? Didn't do everything with my husband that I did with my ex. The only difference is I didn't outright lie about things. Yes, very shitty of me. This model explains things that some women don't know how explain in their own thoughts and behavior. I can't say how many women, but I only have half a dozen friends and it fits 3 of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 12:43 PM
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Now this I can get behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:21 AM
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I'm a college dropout who has been serially promoted on mediocre to slightly above average daily performance. I've seen men take two or three years to earn what I got in six months. I'm only one person, but I have no reason to think my experience is special.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:19 AM
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They don't solely rely on evo psych, but they definitely use that language and try to enhance credibility with Teh Science. I came to it really struggling with personal things, and saw initial instant improvement followed by steady continued improvement over the past couple of years. So I guess I fall into "I don't care why it works, it works." Also take care to note that there is TRP (which is admittedly the focus here) vs the red pill ideas in the larger manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:11 AM
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I'm being solipsistic, of course. I have had options, even propositions, during the once a week lackluster sex phase, and I never seriously entertained them. The pain he would suffer and the damage I would do to my own life stacked up against a few sessions of excitement followed by guilt? Easy choice. Makes it easy to believe some men will feel the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 12:56 AM
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You can blame them for not curbing the worst excesses of their instincts the same way you would blame a man for fucking 18 year olds indiscriminately. The instincts are there, but so is higher cognitive function.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:43 PM
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Do you mean marriage is a bad investment? Def not a minority viewpoint in RP land!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:41 PM
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I didn't say drop out completely, although I wasn't clear. Part time, project work, keep a toe in the water if possible. And they are not going to pick right up where they left off, no. But many, MANY women take time off or reduce hours and lose promotability for several years surrounding child rearing. My point is why not do that at 24 instead of 34?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:40 PM
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It is true that more older men would cheat than currently do if they had 22 year old girls TRYING to sleep with them. But just as RP shrieks "they'll all drop you for Chad" and I know it is garbage because I'm loyal, men too exist (and not in tiny fractions) who can be loyal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:37 PM
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Yes. It makes all kinds of sense. If you are going to sacrifice a decade of forward momentum in a career, why on earth do it during your prime fertility years, and the years that you need to be with your babies?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:34 PM
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Agree about marriage, not necessarily about exclusivity. In observing my dad, uncles and men I know through those men, they have a second player stage, then settle down again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:28 PM
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Sure, but he is defending against the unilateral proclamation by OP that her husband forced her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:24 PM
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Doesn't mean we can't talk about the dynamics when they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:21 PM
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This is why I believe in the greater beta AND niche attractiveness approach. You do not want a guy that has options coming out his ears. I know I sound like a blue piller right now, but I don't want to be competing with SYTs who are actively trying to fuck my husband when I'm 45.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:20 PM
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That isn't what he said. He is talking about preventable stuff, and you are deliberately misunderstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:15 PM
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Some will.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:08 PM
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I keep almost nothing from him. The only thing I don't share is what I post on reddit, and if he wanted to he could find it. If he was regularly "snooping," it would be an issue because it would be a clear signal that he didn't trust me, not because I think I need privacy from my husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 10:30 PM
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Wife goggles, qw. Wife goggles. You talk like men are every shallow lusting caricature that I've ever heard of rolled into every married guy. If you vet them well for character, keep sexing them up, don't gain a ton of weight and don't be a massive bitch (!) most of them will not leave you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 08:53 PM
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I've read the main posters in MRP tear into a guy for complaining about pregnancy and birth related damage. In my personal experience, I haven't seen anger due to unpreventable changes (stretch marks, breasts less perky.) Now if you are talking about 30 extra lbs that she claims is "baby weight" when the kid is in kindergarten, that is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 08:48 PM
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This is what I think about - not right now, when a 30 year old woman can do fine with a 30 year old man. It is when they are both 45 and put in "average" effort, he is going to really outpace her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 05:55 PM
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There aren't enough 16-24 year old girls to meet the demand that you are suggesting (if all 16-24 year old men AND all 25-40 year old men want them.) An age gap is fine, but the age of the women need to raise proportionately with the age of the men, or someone is getting left out.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 05:53 PM
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I have to wonder if they would be citing the drastically higher rates of birth defects and reduced fertility if there was a middle aged woman talking about getting pregnant in the near future.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 05:51 PM
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I am not sure we are disagreeing on anything here. Just perspective, I guess. Again on the illegal immigrants topic, since it is a conveniently divisive one - there are a number of metrics surrounding these folks that come up negative. Crime, academic performance, taxes paid vs money sent back to Mexico, etc. So what you end up with is a group of people who see all of these facts and make a leap to "these people are bad" or "they are ruining the country" etc, etc, etc. They line up against the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 05:10 PM
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No, no philosophical discussions. How about the illegal immigrant rape stats point that you rejected above? If the numbers say that they rape at a statistically significant higher rate than born US Citizens, would it be factual to make that observation?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 04:50 PM
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It is another form of hyperbole, and a counterpoint to the "single mothers are saints" narrative that is out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 04:47 PM
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At best it enhances already existing attraction. There is no amount of kindness that will create sexual desire and vaginal lubrication in the absence of physical traits that turn her on. This is clouded by the fact that we do sometimes date and sleep with men that don't really rev us up, and that it is really hard to separate kindness from whatever else is present that may actually be causing arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 04:41 PM
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They do have sex with men they don't find attractive, sure. But they don't find it fulfilling or even good. This girl or others like her can still get laid, but that isn't meaningful for a female.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 04:35 PM
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There are facts that are controversial because people don't like them. For instance, CICO (calories in, calories out.) There isn't a biochemist alive that disputes it. Only diet book authors, journalists and people who don't stick to it claim otherwise. Plenty of other examples out there. People's feelings have NOTHING to do with something being factual or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 04:27 PM
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Cardio IS super boring. I don't have a gym membership - I jog outdoors, do calisthenics, and lately been doing P90X3 and 30 Day Shred. So just variety keeps me from being bored.
/r/RedPillWomen11/05/16 04:14 PM
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That is context dependent on whether it is a shit test or a comfort test. Maybe a man can come clarify, but since we are talking, I'll try. Bitchy plate/girlfriend says it, its a shit test. That is what your example is about. Tearful wife/LTR who isn't particularly manipulative and your sex life is good? Comfort test. Give her a kiss, tell her she's your girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 04:04 PM
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I want to shake her and say "you want to go back and sacrifice how many years of your wonderful marriage with your LIFE PARTNER for some nebulous, TV show inspired notion of platonic friendships!"
/r/RedPillWives11/05/16 04:02 PM
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Shit tests are fitness tests - is he alpha enough. Comfort tests are just what they sound like - the girl is getting scared that he legit doesn't care about her, and needs reassurance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 03:56 PM
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You are conflating shit tests and comfort tests.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 02:28 PM
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This is one of those topics that I can't really identify with, and just have to take other girls' word for it. I've had a couple of guys turn cold or get a little unpleasant after I declined to go out etc. Never anything dramatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 01:42 PM
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There is every reason you can't be friendly afterwards. That is just asking too much of most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 01:38 PM
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You discuss sex with opposite sex friends? Maybe I'm a prude after all. Just seems unwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 01:34 PM
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She still has all of the responsive desire of an attractive woman - meaning just plain "sex" from someone who doesn't trigger arousal means nothing to her. And the number of men who aren't fetishists and will be arousing are low.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 01:18 PM
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This isn't what TPTB have been teaching in RPW.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:48 AM
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Max 15 years or so, but if it's legal I don't judge. I have no problem at all, even approve, if a 30ish yo man decides to settle down and goes for a 20ish yo girl. Same with 40 yo man and 28yo gal. Best mix of satisfying her need for a smarter better guy and his need for youthfulness without being tawdry.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:43 AM
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How well documented does something have to be before you count it as a fact, independent of whether it is also someone's opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:38 AM
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I should have skipped over one boyfriend entirely, and then married my husband after all, avoiding being alpha widowed. Or I could have held out for someone who was was neither a jerk nor a "beta," but there are no guarantees. I am built to be a wife, and I never wanted years of single fun or carouseling.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 07:34 PM
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The bad stuff, the stuff that makes her see him as a man that she can't push around. The only reason this stuff seems "bad" is that we are all taught from birth on to be nice to girls, to coddle girls feelings. EDIT: if it ends up with a husband and wife having sex and happier, I don't much care how they got there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 06:52 PM
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I can tell by how quickly and dismissively you answered that you gave my post zero consideration. Certainly, you don't owe me or anyone else here consideration, but are you thinking about this stuff or aren't you? If your wife isn't into sex very much and you are, you're probably just incompatible. You don't see it, do you? She is into sex. They often fucked like bunnies while dating, or they didn't BUT she put out like a pornstar for her ex. They aren't incompatible because of sex drive. She is…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 06:22 PM
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OP, I am going to come at this from a different direction. Have you ever read in r/deadbedrooms? Go take a look. I'll wait. It is full of people who have followed "common sense" advice. They are communicating till they are blue in the face. The men share with their wives that they need sex, need intimacy, this is hurting me, etc. This changes NOTHING. Do you really believe the little Mrs. doesn't know her husband wants to have sex with her? Needs his wife to want him? She knows it, on some level…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 06:07 PM
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They go on the internet for SEX advice. Plenty of men in their mid 30s and up find this stuff trying to fix a marriage or come back from a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 05:55 PM
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Naw. Not just doing cardio. Men need shoulders and chests to be really desirable on a "MUST FUCK HIM" level.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 05:53 PM
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Yes to the larger thought that lack of healthy relationships in general causes multiple problems, including villainizing/pedestalizing the opposite sex. Not so much to the need for close friends of the other gender. This may be a personality type thing, though, or solipsism due to my own values.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 03:30 PM
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I am so sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 01:37 PM
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I read the first marriage flaired thread. There was very, very little about the nuts and bolts of making marriage work, and very many overarching proclamations (as is usual in there.) Now I'll admit I've read maybe 50 complete threads in TRP, and parts of many more. So I'm not an expert, and I'm a woman, so I can't be unbiased. But I've yet to see ONE without a gratuitous AWALT/barely related anecdote "proving" something/Every Girl Will Cheat. I see TRP as a pep rally held in a library. The side…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 12:58 PM
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This is a decent argument - even if N count was literally 100% correlated with LTR performance, it is still not that valuable a metric if you can't trust your instruments. EDIT: How do we know you can't trust your instruments? Some undercover work?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 12:55 PM
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There may be material for a new thread here - "is there anything wrong with marrying a beta bucks?" There isn't anything wrong if and only if the woman can go the distance with only minor tingles. Going the distance means loyalty, providing regular active sex and learning to get happiness out of doing the right thing. Each of those 3 cornerstones is going to be harder for such a woman than they would be for her if she was passionate about her husband. In fact, I think it is only doable for those…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 11:23 AM
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Thank you for this post. I felt another piece click into place.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 11:16 AM
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God yes. INTJ.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 11:08 AM
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We say we don't. We do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 08:17 PM
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I married a man that I could tell would never hurt me, but did not make my heart pound. So yes, that really means I married a BB. I knew I never wanted to feel devastated again, the way I had after my ex. So I was conscious of the fact that he wanted me more than I wanted him, but not that this had a name or was a common "tactic." That is why I say not a conscious strategy, because I didn't think I had a strategy. I was just doing the best I could without a net. EDIT: I didn't wait until the wal…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 05:39 PM
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For a good chunk of people, yes. It is something that should stop with maturity and empathy, but doesn't always.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 04:09 PM
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They say "don't get married." How much clearer do you want them to get? There is a minority that says "it can work, it was right for me." A clear minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 03:21 PM
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There is absolutely a maturity difference between MRP and TRP. I can't imagine the response some poor 35 year old schmuck whose wife won't have sex with him and he has got a 2 year old and a 10 year old and debt would get if he went into TRP and asked for help. NEXT! SPIN PLATES! AWALT! with zero interest in rekindling his wife's desire for him. MRP has some relevant experience and perspective. Neither is pro marriage, but TRP is fanatically anti and MRP is pragmatic about men doing what is goin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 01:21 PM
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No, in most cases it isn't a conscious strategy. Sometimes we do intentionally choose a safe guy after getting really hurt, and it can cause issues later if we sacrifice too much on attraction. But women who view men in two tiers and marry one for $$ that they only tolerate is rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 01:02 PM
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Military overseas while single, no problem. Onshore, small problem. Those hookers are much less of a threat to me than an ex or hottie at his work, or "friend" with whom he used to be intimate. The lines are clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 11:17 PM
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So many will cook that awesome dinner just to get a pat on the back This is my constant unwanted companion - doing things, saying things for praise. When I recognize it, I swat it down and immediately change direction, and I'm long past "faking," but am very guilty of chiming in or signaling if it is a conviction/plan I've already got. Why such desire for approval, for praise? How to refocus so that meeting his needs is the reward in itself?
/r/RedPillWives07/05/16 12:34 PM
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20ish is the best/safest age for pregnancy and birth. Past the risks of an immature body carrying, before the risks of an aging body carrying.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 11:42 AM
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So you dismiss the findings of likelihood of divorce? I'm coming at this as a married person who wishes she could undo a past boyfriend due to the effect that intense relationship had on how attracted I was to men afterward. I'm still counting on one hand's fingers for partner count, but it STILL had an effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 11:18 AM
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I've read plenty of acknowledgment (particularly in Christian manosphere) that these women do change in that they realize this kind of behavior is not in their best interests. They are not "bad people." This is not the same thing as making them a good risk for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 11:13 AM
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Yep. If he creates those crazy intense feelings in her like her old alpha did, she'll bond. Problem is there aren't that many men that do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 11:11 AM
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That isn't what he said. Just that 21st century America pretends that there are no bad effects of promiscuity, when the evidence says that there are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 11:02 AM
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Thank you, sincerely, for fostering kids. We need safe foster homes desperately.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 11:01 AM
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I used to have it. Now it is hard to maintain.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 10:54 AM
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Her concerns are her problem in that she has no right to smear him with them. She can feel however she wants, and choose to go somewhere else, but he should in no way suffer for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 10:53 AM
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Not as evidence of truth, of evidence that TRP didn't come up with this idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 07:32 PM
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Frat parties and night clubs? What percentage of women do you think participate in those settings?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 06:17 PM
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I'm arguing in good faith. I give all posters here the benefit of the doubt, that they are telling the truth as they see it. There are always a few guys who for whatever reason are so disenchanted with women that they allow their own hamsters to run amok, get snarky and dismissive. I'll leave you alone now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 06:14 PM
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You're right, although I think the Big Cheeses stick to most, and the zealots filtering out into the perimeter subs who haven't really internalizing or placed things in context say ALL.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 05:43 PM
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Aaaannnnd downvoted. Against the rules, FYI.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 05:42 PM
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Solipsism. You're right, men pay for more stuff. It does not follow that women pay for no stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 05:32 PM
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I made the first move with my husband, too. He never would have approached me. And we are 60/40 on bills, because he makes 60% of the income and I make 40%. It is very odd when someone just says, No, you are lying, my experience is true and yours isn't nanana booboo. Usually (and correctly) they'll say "anecdata."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 05:32 PM
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You do understand that something being true 90% of the time still means that there are real live exceptions in meaningful numbers walking around out there, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 05:30 PM
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Yes. She cheats, she suffers for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 01:34 PM
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I have not seen this bourn out in my life. At all. I have seen people ignore or fail to see red flags and advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 01:33 PM
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I'm interpreting it as "thing that turns most people off but doesn't bother me." Paraplegic, girl who is missing an arm, etc. Tyrion was the best character in those books, by far.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 11:39 AM
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Dinklage is her dented can.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 11:15 AM
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And what do you suppose rules us when there are no "gina tingles" in the vicinity? Obviously, we have many different types of feelings. You appear to need some more and varied life experience within which to frame your TRP consumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 10:59 PM
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By the time he gets to MRP, he has tried the mainstream options already, be it doubling down on choreplay and kindness, or actual marriage counseling. How can you blame them for trying something dramatic?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 07:15 PM
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This isn't new. See: the Apostle Paul on how women are more easily deceived. We certainly let our feels rule us, when not specifically striving not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 07:08 PM
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For all the progress I think I've made in hamster wrangling, it comes roaring back on reading your posts. I can't imagine not being able to take his name. Its... belonging to him. Sharing a name with my kids. A marquee sign that we are a family. So, that is a status issue, or maybe a "someone has to eat shit here and you love him so much you'll submit and eat it yourself." The most convincing thing for the RPS anti marriage stance is not divorce rape/restraining order/she'll cheat. All that is o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 05:55 PM
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Yes, as long as your parents are in a position to have input on your reading materials and dating life, keep it to yourself.
/r/RedPillWomen05/05/16 12:33 PM
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If we had this exact same discussion 5 years ago, I would agree. Completely. But PC has gotten truly out of control amongst the under 25s, and some things are just factually correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 10:10 PM
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No kidding. Why.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 07:26 PM
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Most women don't go to clubs with any frequency. You are literally looking at a meat market and claiming vegetarians don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 07:21 PM
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You are exaggerating the prevelance of eating disorders, especially when 2 in 3 Americans are fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 07:17 PM
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Their feelings are their problem. If you don't understand that most can't be beauty queens or have star looks, you have other problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 07:16 PM
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Nightclubs are a very specific group of women. You really, really cannot go by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 07:14 PM
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Husband only, and never digital.
/r/RedPillWomen04/05/16 06:36 PM
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No, I suppose not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 06:24 PM
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Valid question, since RP does state women don't even recognize unattractive men as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 05:52 PM
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No. I do not think that the standards are too high. "Standards" is the wrong word anyway, when discussing beauty in popular media, since there are essentially no real life consequences to not looking like that. Clothing in mass market stores is majorly vanity sized. 65% of Americans are overweight or obese (some demographics are even worse than that,) but nearly everyone manages to date and/or have sex. Post a photo of your fit body on facebook, get a whole bunch of people telling you to eat a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 05:41 PM
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Probably not, unless his shirt comes off and he has an amazing chest? joking, sort of. More leadership traits, masculine qualities - or if you aren't typical, maybe you like submissive men - just the things that you are always attracted to anyway, that cause a sexual reaction, even though they aren't directly sexual. I'm having a hard time explaining - I'm trying to say that I have not seen this happen when you suddenly find out a guy adopts one legged kittens, awwwww, but it could happen when y…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 05:00 PM
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They should probably pay more attention to niches, yes. But they aren't a matchmaking service, and can't fit everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 04:49 PM
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His height pushes the package from weird into weirdly hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 04:48 PM
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It can, yes. But I propose that is only when you begin to see traits that ring your bell that you didn't see before. When you see him in differing environments that play to his strengths.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 04:40 PM
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Exactly. So for you, OP, saying "but it goes without saying" isn't helpful to the dude who was hanging on your every word and didn't hear the words "broad shoulders and deep voice" or whatever physical component gets your motor running.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 04:35 PM
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What rights don't we have?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 03:28 PM
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That makes sense. I'll go back and reread the posts that I'm thinking of and see if I am misinterpreting. I know for a certainty that there have been many blanket Don't Do It statements, but maybe not by the "authorities."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 02:29 PM
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As I went into after that into sentence, I believe that a flat refusal to mate guard is wrong. If I am your wife, am enthusiastic in bed, care for your home and generally handle my shit, and someone is pursuing me, refusal to even walk up, put your arm around me and talk to this guy is showing me you don't give a shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 01:54 PM
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You're right. she damn well better not cheat, and the examples I referenced were still largely her fault. It is more that if you see it happening, and NEVER react, you are failing a massive, externally created comfort test. Nuance is all I'm asking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 10:04 AM
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There are a few RPW specific things that I don't agree with, or rather, that are missing. That needs further thought. As for TRP in general, there ismate guarding. They condemn it wholesale, rather than acknowledging there are WORLDS of difference between a plate trying to play men off one another, and a committed wife/wife figure who has never given you trouble and someone is making a play for her. There are plenty of stories on MMSL forums about marriages who broke at the point where the husba…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 09:55 PM
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I felt this way. I have such a powerful aversion to whorishness that I couldn't see past the hurt I would feel to the distress he would feel. And even now that I would agree to such tests, it feels like his trust in me would be damaged when I have been nothing but faithful. Making them mandatory would take away the "uwhore" stigma, which would be a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 08:42 PM
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The child is the only party with no control over what happens. An entire life stunted from the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 08:38 PM
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All of these depend on what is in their heads. They never said boyfriend/girlfriend, but were they getting there? By that metric I've had casual sex, since bf #3 took two months to say he wanted it serious. That said, #1 and #2 are def casual as they are described here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 08:30 PM
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Young outsider here too.
/r/RedPillWives03/05/16 05:56 PM
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I was propositioned in a creepy way exactly once, when I was 20 years old. I was more embarrassed by it than anything else, and it did not make me want to mock him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 04:49 PM
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This may apply to most. But how about those who actually do understand nuance, did follow mainstream marriage advice, and wound up in sexless marriages? You guys all claim that you can find the good parts in the mainstream. Well tell me where the mainstream marriage book that admits my husband may need to be the head of the household, because I could not understand why I didn't want him when we were all equal like, and now I do? It goes beyond good parts/bad parts. Some of what works is against …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 04:16 PM
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Better by whose measure? If one gets them sex and the other doesn't...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 04:14 PM
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Have you ever looked at tumblr, or been on a lib arts campus lately? It is literally the opposite of what you are stating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 03:34 PM
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Yes. Spending a lot of time on reddit and other websites will really skew your perspective of how influential these views are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 03:23 PM
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Society does not fight to keep women out of those roles. We have a yellow brick road straight into STEM programs and we are still choosing softer majors.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 03:22 PM
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Tiny, tiny percentages though. Whereas men are literally half of our population.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 03:20 PM
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What narrow gender personality norms? Strident personalities previously known as bitchy are praised. We've got a very masculine woman running for president, and she is popular. Plus the entire range of other traits is accepted, unless you are submissive to your male romantic partner, that's no good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 03:19 PM
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They can try, and if they succeed, great. They just aren't going to get any breaks on the way up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 03:16 PM
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There are plenty of first time offenders that get probation, house arrest, etc. All factors can and should be considered. Saddling her with the debt and giving her a criminal record is a lot of progress from what we are doing now, which is nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 03:13 PM
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I get it. In your examples, though, there is no parent available to take the child, and they may end up in the foster care system. In the case of paternity fraud, a woman with no previous criminal or abusive history (maybe even really a good mom) is going to jail, creating a new foster child. I do think she should be punished, but the foster care system is overloaded and so is the prison system. Maybe probation/parole as a compromise, and now she is a convicted criminal?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 02:54 PM
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You're right. Consider for this post that we were asked to imagine some grievous harm having been done - I guess that was enough to trigger the me vs him thought pattern. Something to think about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 02:02 PM
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One of the main posters in MRP was doxxed and fired over it, people were calling his wife, the whole works.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 10:11 PM
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Yah built fat. Agree so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 08:06 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that. I like your posts, even when I don't agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 07:47 PM
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Mine would be unhappy with that, too. But that story was also about him adjusting when he has been henpecked (from TSW.)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 07:37 PM
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That example is from The Surrendered Wife, and is not uncontroversial. It was iirc in the context of stepping back - when you always have something critical to say, and your default is pick pick pick, here is an example of just how far back you may need to pull.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 07:36 PM
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The vast majority of women are not even thinking about marriage well into their 30s Average age of first marriage was 26 in 2008. Even if it has crept up since them, you're wrong. http://www.demos.org/data-byte/average-age-first-marriage-and-childbirth You don't have rosy tinted illusions, you have nasty tinted illusions. I'll leave you alone after this post, though. I like debate, but you aren't interested in what is actually going on, just trashing women. EDIT: I sound like a blooper. Time to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 06:44 PM
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Yes, you are seeing a live example of that "doctrine." It is a shame, because it is only going to lead to intensifying the same loop they tend to fall into - further involvement with women on the nastier end of the AWALT scale, and exclusion of those who are on the better end.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 06:35 PM
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Maybe she wants to fuck, but wants you to take her seriously and not be seen as loose. That is a real thing, you know, despite recent discussions discounting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 06:33 PM
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You should begin by being brutally honest with yourself. If he is embracing and internalizing MRP, he is doing the same. Where do you need improvement? I know you talked a lot about what things are good in your marriage, but what things do you do that would make him feel either sexually undesirable, or not respected? We don't know what specifically sent him to the red pill, but something is ringing true for him. It may not be dissatisfaction with you specifically - it may be with his goals, life…
/r/RedPillWomen02/05/16 06:25 PM
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It isn't even about loyalty, although a variety of woman exists who bonds to a man and no one else can even catch her eye. It is about knowing which side of your life bread is buttered. If this paragon of alphahood walked up and offered marriage to the girl in the bar there with her husband, MAYBE. But you are flat wrong that all or most women in committed relationships would ditch that for being Brad Pitt's plate. I'm going to estimate 10% would do that, which is more than enough to generate te…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 06:15 PM
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There is some grey area here - are you looking for an LTR, and the sex happens to come before saying "be my girlfriend," or are you fucking three other girls and expect this new one that caught your eye to jump on the D knowing you'll be at someone else's place tomorrow?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 05:47 PM
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Let me just take a moment to encourage anyone who might, say, downvote this comment to check out the Wellness threads. There is a lot of positive energy in that sub from people who have overcome the exact same things they are lampooning. That kind of stuff just did not exist at FPH.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 05:45 PM
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Normally, I can just place these types of replies in context and move on. But this is absurd. Your claim that the alpha always got the girl to go home with him, even if she was with her boyfriend/the Pope himself, would be easily disproven. You could literally set that experiment up. If you've never seen an A lister (literal or local) get shot down then you aren't paying attention or are determined to see only what you want to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 05:43 PM
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And yet they'll look you in the virtual eye and claim that certain groups don't get a free pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 05:09 PM
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They don't tolerate hate for fat PEOPLE there, just the stupidity, ignorance and delusion that keeps people fat. You can't use ham, hamplanet, fatty, obeast, etc, and people do get banned for doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 05:07 PM
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They don't wake up wildly different one day, no, which is what would be required for your scenario to be a gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 03:44 PM
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Masculine and feminine are the ultimate in complementarity, synergy, and it is a crying shame that we make enemies out of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 02:35 PM
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It might be worth it. The rape culture crap would be gone too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 02:31 PM
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Why the jab? Yours worked out. Some others didn't and they went looking for answers. It does not mean you are better, specifically when discussing those who came here already married and trying to save things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 02:14 PM
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You're right, of course. Any woman taking the stance I have taken needs to be aware of and reject the pattern of behavior that Rollo describes both in herself and in those she is close to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 01:51 PM
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This sounds very, very much like the Apostle Paul, preaching on how women are more easily misled, and should not teach scripture. The serpent approached Eve, not Adam, but he went along with her because his weakness was through her. Of course it goes without saying that chastity and faithfulness to the husband is also demanded. Hmmmm... many major religions that are otherwise very different, codifying the importance of controlling female sexual behavior, at different times, could it be that ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 01:42 PM
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