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Right but that is exactly my point. You are still motivated by something, you started a new chapter in life (marriage, fatherhood) because somewhere along the line, you set a goal for yourself to do this. Parental duties inherently require care and motivation, which means it does not apply to the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:39 PM
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You are apathetic, unmotivated, passive, stagnant, and do not have ambition? How does a father even be a present and engaged father if he doesn’t care about anything and is unmotivated?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:17 PM
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Correct, I think it is inhuman to view people as commodities, especially in an area of life that is celebrated as connection and love. It’s disgusting and subhuman in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:13 PM
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I legitimately can’t even answer this hypothetical because it’s that unappealing. Being unsocial and unable to socialize is a fundamental failure in primates (not just humans), whose societies evolved around community and social behaviors. I’m not even sure how a man like this would have and raise kids. What sort of traits is he passing onto his children?? He wouldn’t even be a present father.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:47 PM
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Because I think sugar baby brain is fundamentally and distinctly non-human, and certainly not a virtue in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:28 PM
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Women shouldn’t obey average men, and the red pill will tell you that. Of course, I do not think “obey” is the right framing here either, but I only get red pill info from TRP or the archived standalone forum associated with the subreddit, which are what PPD is based on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:48 AM
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How are creative, fun dates a waste of time if they’re fun? Like, that’s the entire point of a date. Why would I want a stiff date? They do not have to be expensive at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:59 AM
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Talking about dating culture in non-Western countries is stupid when the red pill was developed for men to navigate sexually liberated western dating culture. A woman going after a man for his money is making a beta do the actual bux part. As in, he needs to lead with his money otherwise she wouldn’t have considered him. It makes her a retarded sugar baby brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:53 AM
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I am a moderator here, yes. It is not a threat, it’s that there is a pattern of behavior here that is not conducive to debate. You still did not answer my question: who is saying it is about emotional alignment? This is a claim you made in your OP, in where you assert that “not settling” means “emotional alignment.” You do not even understand what hypergamy is in the red pill sense either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:17 AM
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You did not answer my question. If you not going to debate in good faith, or you keep attacking people in the comments, this thread will be locked and closed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:59 PM
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“Not settling” also includes not settling for someone you do not find attractive, which can include physical and pragmatic traits too. I’d rather be single than date a man who is shorter than me. I would also rather be single than date a man who treats me poorly. Who tf is saying it’s just about deep emotional alignment?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:38 PM
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You and your roommates can agree to host stuff and each respectively invite your friends. Idk if this is generational difference or gender difference. I'm 30 so zillennial cusp, and people still do that in my circles. maybe Gen Z is just really bad at socializing lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:52 PM
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And you also choose not to do this? I see it happen all the time, my parents do it and I do it, my friends do it. You could also be the one hosting people or inviting them out and saying, "If you want to bring a friend, you're welcome to."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:43 PM
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And you also choose not to organize things or host them?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:40 PM
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Gig work exists. Creative industries that do not rely on conservative professionalism exist. Retail exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:37 PM
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You don't make a good impression on people you meet, become friends with them, and they go, "Hey you should come to xyz bar on Friday, I'm heading there with some friends and you should come if you can make it"? This has never happened with people you meet from hobby groups or even work?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:34 PM
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I am not going to doxx myself. I am asking you how it's possible that you cannot participate in ANY kind of work. If the way you dress is inappropriate and unprofessional, of course places of professional employment will not be inclined to hire you. But that is not specific to femboys, because gender conforming women and men are also not allowed to dress inappropriately or unprofessionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:27 PM
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When you expand your social circles, you get invited to additional social events or get togethers, in where you can meet other people or women you wouldn't have met otherwise. It requires being social, not really that you ask your friends if they have single friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:24 PM
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What does this mean? Trans people and non gender conforming people get hired all the time at various places of employment. In the industry I work in, there is zero surprise to see queer people and NGC people in opposite sex fashion, provided they are complying with office dress code. You receiving harassment is not specific to progressives. You don't know the political leaning of who is harassing you or not, so this is not relevant to you OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:05 PM
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You literally changed your post after people began to comment lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:15 PM
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You have the same rights and legal personhood as anybody else. You are not being shunned by society if people want to date you and be friends with you. You just have problems with who is attracted to you. Progressives, or anyone else for that matter, do not have to be open to dating you in order to support your right to existence as a femboy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:07 PM
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Inclusive means people do not shun you in society for being your authentic self. You have the same rights and legal personhood as anyone else. It doesn't mean people have to date you or find you attractive. This post is about as dumb as me saying men cannot get pregnant therefore men don't want equality lol. Or that supporting trans rights means you have to be attracted to trans people. Retarded. EDIT: to anyone reading this, the original text from the post was just this: so many men assume I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:31 PM
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Omg you're not understanding what I'm saying. Your comment does not refute anything I said about chores or cheating. I don't give a fuck what framing of dread you use because I am responding to your OP. This thread is about your OP; I am not arguing the effectiveness of older dread game models.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:26 PM
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This does not actually refute anything I said in my comment; it's just another framing of dread game.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:56 PM
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Many men are willing to pursue and value women who do not fit idealized standards of attractiveness. Yet men are frequently described as uniquely shallow. Men do not value these women. They are just willing to fuck them despite not valuing them. They even joke about these women being shameful fucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:49 PM
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The chores is not really about the chores, and that isn't really flat advice for men in dead bedrooms. It's advice given when people ask/investigate and find out his wife also works a job, and she also does the majority of domestic labor and childcare. It is exceedingly difficult to feel sexy and want sex if you're ran ragged and smell like baby spit up. Interestingly, red pill also says not to go to level 12 of dread (cheating). That it is the absolutely last resort and you should only engage i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:39 PM
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I like to be “chased” by men I am interested in lol. As in, I like courtship rituals by men I want to date, or men I want to keep talking to. I don’t want to be chased by a man that I am not that interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:59 PM
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If women collectively became men for a year, then there would be no women to date. We’d all be gay lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:56 PM
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The title is absurd — most men have hobbies and passions and things they enjoy doing in their free time. Even things like video games, watching sports, going to the gym, reading, shitting around on PPD; those all count. Most men, and people for that matter, are not focused on making money lol. They are working some job, any job, that allows them to pay rent and live life. This idea that most men are out here striving to make sugar daddy money in order to attract the hunnies is crazy, lmaooo.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:37 PM
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Like I said, not a trace of gender war shit on my FYP or algorithms, so it turns out that it actually is easily avoidable. Also the podcast is not just gender war stuff is it? Google tells me they talk to celebrities, therapists, talk about mental health, there's a female comedic angle in there. I will need you to find me an example of gender war stuff you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:38 PM
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I had to look that up because I don’t listen to it. Google search tells me each episode has an average between 5-10 million listeners. There are 171 million women in the United States. You mean to tell me that between 2.9-5.8% of the female population who listens to this podcast are representative of the real world? Let’s adjust that number to 84 million, which is the number of women in the U.S. under 40 years old. That’s still only 5.9-11.9% of the female population from gen alpha to a large po…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:20 PM
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You are arguing 2 different things here: 1) that social media represents how people feel inside (correct), and 2) that social media represents the real world (which I would argue is incorrect). The only place where I get content like that is here, because I willingly follow this sub. The rest of my socials are filled with cats, design, wedding content, cooking, crochet, and fashion/style. You have to willingly engage with content in order for it to keep popping up for you. Like you have to watch…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:09 PM
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Lol the majority of people will get married. Married men are inherently viewed as more trustworthy and reliable. The respect and social status of married men still exists, I don’t know why you’re trying to argue otherwise. What culture to do you come from where young people are not partnering up long term? If not marriage, they are cohabitating in long term relationships. Seriously, it’s only low rent poors who struggle with traditional family structure. And from your post: replace women's tradi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:03 AM
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What you think is wrong does not match up with real life statistics. The data tells us that married men and fathers have an advantage in their professional lives. You can choose not to believe that, but you are subject to your own delusions. A hypergamous market is women being able to exercise their freedom of choice and female nature. You can reverse this by restricting women’s freedom of choice in sexual selection; is that what you are going for? In your OP, you are arguing that men only act r…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:52 PM
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Financial provision can also mean teamwork if you have an agreed understanding of labor division, e.g stay home moms, moms who homeschool, etc., and you operate as a team to keep this fair and considerate to both partners/spouses. Other than that small point, your post is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:41 PM
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You are arguing the most autistic interpretation of what objectification is, instead of the concept wherein people treat others as commodities and tools, or reduce them to a singular aspect, e.g. a sex dispenser, a wallet, etc. No one says it is dehumanizing to be into women. It is dehumanizing to treat women like they exist only to incite desire in men and provide men sexual pleasure. Your posts on this sub are complete garbage, it’s fascinating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:11 PM
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Assuming that all women are leftist now? The biggest supporters of traditional masculinity are women who lean socially conservative. I promise you they are also supporting sentiments like men are gay now, men want to be women, men used to go to war, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:49 PM
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No one has said ambition, risk taking, innovation, hard work, etc. are toxic parts of masculinity. These are good traits that are associated with masculinity, but are still valued in women, and are often touted as part of having healthy masculinity. No one has removed the rewards for men for being family men. The world still favors and rewards men are show stability in their personal lives; it’s common knowledge that married men and fathers are promoted easier than single men. The whole world is…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:44 PM
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Right but you are saying the improvement is over exaggerated, and I am saying TRP has never ever made claims as to how much you will improve. Like, I have never seen TRP claim that all men who follow it will jump into top X%, and I have been reading red pill theory for ~10 years now. It says it’s designed to improve the benefit you as a men get from dating, and that is just a true statement if you follow some of the prescriptive elements of red pill. Idk where you are getting that TRP claims to …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:27 PM
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If this post is about looks, it needs to go in the looks weekly thread. You’re very fixated on looks. I have never seen TRP claim that all men will slay. It simply says you can improve your dating life using red pill theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:47 PM
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TRP can help most men as long as they are average (like just “there” or invisible; not noticeably unattractive) or above. The degree to which it helps will vary, but not all men will want to become players and hoe around anyway. At its core, TRP is about maximizing your own benefit in dating based on what it says about male and female nature. It never claims to make every man in the objective top, but you can push some of your qualities into their relative top, and it will help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:26 PM
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Power in dating is the only perceivable way in which women have an advantage, and that advantage also comes with a lot of drawbacks. Like potential threats to our personal safety, or being reliant on a man for money if you’re provided for. Turning allure into money isn’t a reward “for femininity” either. The top like 5% of Only Fans creators make the vast majority of the money. To succeed in that market is like succeeding in any competitive market — the ones who utilize masculine traits are the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:57 PM
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Femininity is seen as inferior because in every way that functions toward success in society, masculine traits are rewarded. Men do not see women as powerful. They see women as tempting, duplicitous seductresses. Power is inherently coded as masculine; not belonging to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:19 PM
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“Lastly if men do not agree with me, then they are simps with no self respect” LMAO snuck that line in toward the end did you? The preemptive “no u” that reads super insecure and retarded? Hahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:03 AM
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The leaving part, no that’s not controlling. Making threats to leave in an attempt to manipulate her to comply with your demands is the controlling part. At that point, why even threaten it? Just leave lol, find someone who is more compatible with you.
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The OP is unable to keep himself from incivility and making personal attacks. This thread is now closed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:27 PM
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Nobody is stopping men from filtering based on their preferences. In what situations are you sharing your exact preferences? Please be completely honest here. I have never once in my life shared my exact preferences, especially not to a group of men. Or even a mixed gender group. I’ve only ever had those conversations with my girl friends. If you do express these preferences, we need additional context as to how they are said. “Single moms aren’t compatible with my lifestyle or life goals” is ve…
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Why don’t you have a kid on your own? Like, get a surrogate and be a single dad if you’re that concerned about birth rates. Why should I have to pity date some guy and have a kid with him? Lol?
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Not entitled and fine to feel frustrated. What he shouldn’t do is take that frustration out on me/other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 11:15 PM
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You are 30 years old and not yet married to this man, nor do you have kids. He is verbally abusive to you and unwilling to put away the red pill grifters to actually be present in his relationship. Submission to your future husband should happen because you can trust him to lead and make reasonable decisions, not because he says so. Men like this discover that they can abuse you, and for whatever reason, women's deference and "taking" the abuse only fuels them to think lesser of you and treat yo…
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Traditionally, like before 1950s Americana glazing, women worked lol. They either worked in the family business like tending the general store or farming, or they were wet nurses, midwives, maids, seamstresses, textile spinners. Employed women have existed throughout most of history. Even some semi-nomadic hunter-gatherer tribes have women making tools for the community. Lol??? Outside of that point, couples are free to make their own decisions about what works best for their family structure, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:13 PM
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How does that imply I said it to my partner? Please be specific in how you ascertained this idea. How you got from point A to point B.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:52 AM
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No idea where you got that from what I typed out. I want you to quote, in exact words, where I said that I told any of that to any of my past boyfriends or fiancé. This is such strange behavior men here engage in.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:31 AM
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The clip implies that pounding is the only thing that is happening. There’s no variation or technique, it’s just the guy trying to bust. Being pounded is boring if that’s the only thing happening, and at worst it is painful. The worst too is when you give direction for pace or position, and the guy just goes back to pounding cause that’s what feels good for him lol. But otherwise, when pounding is part of the “menu” so to speak, it’s fine. Feels great.
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The only places I would not want to approached are places where I feel like my safety is compromised, e.g coming up to me in a parking lot as I’m alone and about to get in my car, which has happened lol.
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"Doing," as in, following red pill dating strategies which are similar to the PUA playbook. For ME adapting to a different culture is easy because 1) I was socialized young to have this experience already, and 2) if you are socially adjusted, this will not be difficult. But for people who are not socially adjusted, it is difficult for them. And when people move to other countries, they typically have a support person/group (coworkers or family usually) who have no problems instructing them on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:06 PM
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Women do not want to know what kind of porn men watch. Women have been forced to accept that men will watch porn no matter what, fine, but why would I want to "understand" what kind of porn any man is watching? There are tons of porn categories and the yearly PornHub analytics will tell us what is most popular with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:54 PM
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Re: red pill, one of the biggest pieces of advice on TRP was that at some point, theory stops helping you. The TRP Endorsed Contributors were constantly telling men to stop reading the subreddit and to go out and actually do. Here is the issue with a lot of men for whom developing social skills is a problem — ideally you are socialized since childhood into your teenage years to understand what is acceptable and unacceptable. You internalize, based on the people around you, what the “rules” are, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:50 PM
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Please explain how you got this from what [u/pie-mart](u/pie-mart) said. There are a minority of women on dating apps because they enjoy hookups too. Thus when women who exclusively want relationships get on apps, and they realize men are looking for hookups, the women who want relationships end up leaving apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:30 PM
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The reason for the thread’s removal the first time was not due to unwillingness to engage with your content. It’s because you were temporarily banned, and as per subreddit rules, the OP of a debate post must participate in them. If you are banned you cannot participate, thus the thread was closed. If you have any other questions, please direct them to Mod Mail. Thank you.
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Re: your conclusions — 1) Women are actively leaving apps because of the gender imbalance among other things. 2) The attractiveness distribution will not become more balanced. Women’s attraction is usually contextual and dynamic compared to men’s. Behavior/flirting/game are large components of women’s attraction that are missing when you have to decide whether to swipe based on photos. I see in the comments you want more women on apps to make things more fair, but women also do not want to be on…
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What is confusing? The black pill purview is basically "If you are not Chad, it's over." And that's simply not true. These are not contradictory statements. Stop leaving out the context of the second paragraph that specifies what the "right" features are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:52 PM
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I think it’s rare for anyone, men or women, to have a specific list of features in where everything needs to be met in order to feel attraction. I do have a “preferred” type but it’s behavioral — reserved, a little bit poetic, dry humor — and so coincidentally men who behave in that way tend to share other characteristics lol, like listening to a lot of the same music, dressing in grey/black. This isn’t always the case, though. I’ve had this preferred type since I was aware of my own attraction …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:26 PM
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There are no similarities. The black pill has never been that “looks matter” — it’s specifically looks fatalism and believing that looks is the *only* thing that matters, which is not what fifty is saying. There is a looks threshold, there’s always been a looks threshold, and that’s why the red pill was always meant for “average” men and above, not straight up ugly men. Not autistic men. Not men who are at the bottom of the barrel. Idk when this shift happened over black pill, but this subreddit…
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Their absence from the dating pool is negligible and doesn’t get missed. The majority of men will be married by the time they are 40. Most men lose their virginity by the time they are 30. Guys are quitting because they are not successful at dating. They are unwanted. So them quitting doesn’t mean much.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:29 PM
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I am kind and polite to men I am not attracted to, so no. They are not bothering me. You all make wild assumptions about me, which is crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:40 PM
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You can want to date and still prioritize other things, like school or work. Which leads to not dating despite you wanting it. There is too little information here imo, like what sort of effort he is putting in, where he’s going, how he is around women, whether he can flirt or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:00 PM
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No, he could have just been taking a break from dating for all I know due to getting out of a long term relationship. Or maybe he was in grad school and focused on that. Maybe something else. I literally have never asked a man when he last went on a date before me, and I’ve never had men freely offer that info either. I have never, ever thought about what is the “normal” amount for first dates in a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:49 PM
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Read my comment again because that’s not what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:44 PM
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Depends on how outgoing he is and how he is around women. It’s not just about leaving the house and being ok looking, it’s also about whether he can flirt and present himself as a romantic option. I don’t think it’s strange for X amount of dates or lack thereof; nobody I know in real life is thinking about this. I think that’s a severely hyper fixated way of thinking about dating. Random women are not going to care about how many first dates a man has annually. Frankly we just do not care all th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:43 PM
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No one says the men are crazy bc they can’t get laid. People say they’re crazy because those men calling women cunts and foids and saying women are not capable of love due to the fact they can’t get laid. And that IS crazy. It’s actually bonkers to wish women harm all because you cannot get sex from them. It’s not rape culture to call them crazy for this, bc calling them crazy has nothing to do with their inability to get sex. It’s that they’re retarded and mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:17 PM
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It means women get pregnant and men do not, women more easily contract STIs than men because of the anatomy of vaginas compared to penises, and women are much less likely to experience orgasm from casual sex, whereas men have a way easier time reaching climax. Not to mention the average man is much stronger than us and could, at any point in time, decide he wants to hurt me or kill me during sex and it would probably work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:46 PM
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No they don’t lol. Most women and men select for traits that attractive in the opposite sex. Your comment doesn’t even make sense; men who are “quiet quitting” wouldn’t be selecting for anything because they’ve exited the dating scene lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:38 PM
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They are all partnered men, that’s my point. They are average men who are either married or have gfs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:40 AM
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Future generations of women will adjust to the new standard and market, but the women whose attractive options disappeared overnight likely will struggle to find anyone else good looking. But, I also do not think this is so cut and dry. I’ve been down bad for an “ugly” guy and a fat guy before, but it’s hard to say if they would be outside of the initial 20% that got cut. I think they would have been included, so I dunno.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:01 AM
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You have no obligations to this man just being a girlfriend. You are vetting him every day until you guys are married (or eventually break up). He is growing complacent and struggling to come to terms with the fact that he is stagnating and you are thriving; in Married Red Pill, he would failing to “own his shit” and be the example for how he wants the relationship dynamic to function.
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/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:33 PM
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When I was in college, a man took out his dick on the bus and started flashing me and masturbating to me. Then when I loudly called it out, it was the older women who protected me. The men on the bus looked away and stayed silent. This idea that men are the great protectors of women is a complete fantasy. Men protect their own families, not “women.”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:49 PM
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Except you literally said in your post that it was so that women see men as options lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:30 PM
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I want you to point out in specific words where I said “everything was about sex.” Because I am responding to YOUR point that “men should nag and demean women until their self worth is so low that men seem like a valid option.”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:21 PM
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Women do actually score higher on these things on major personality tests. Emotionality and agreeability specifically (as well as neuroticism). It is not women who have a loneliness epidemic, and generally speaking women spend more time on fashion, makeup, and hair than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:15 PM
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The way you have phrased this sounds like if you are anything less than a 10, you deserve more poor treatment from the opposite sex. Or that if someone isn’t the best looking, they have to be okay with being treated less than. Everyone should have high standards for how they allow themselves to be treated by a partner no matter how attractive or ugly they are. If your solution is to treat women poorly, women will just continue not dating men and there will be more lonely men. That’s basically wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:12 PM
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If only men were attracted to dominance and masculinity, but they’re not. Men select for femininity, so lol. That includes softness, receptivity, etc. It’s almost like men and women are not the same, and their attraction to the opposite sex does not function the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:15 AM
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A man telling a woman she looks nice is not bothering her. Typically women are bothered when then guy doesn’t quit after she’s been expressing disinterest.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:12 AM
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Well then they don’t fit in the category of perpetually single people, they are widowed!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:11 AM
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I mean I am also talking about these 40yo women, there is something wrong with them if they have not found their life person yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:24 PM
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This is actually true imo, and it goes for both men and women who are older. My reason being that, the older you get, the more that good men and women are being taken out of the dating people. Eventually you are left with people who don’t want LTRs, people who cannot maintain LTRs, people who are too picky, divorced people, ugly people, single parents, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:16 PM
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If a man does not approach me, he was never a decent partner for me to begin with. I do not like passivity and it is unattractive, so unattractive options are just weeding themselves out for me. Good for me. I find it fascinating and odd that you think a man being confident and approaching a woman means he is a bad option or must be an asshole. It's such a bizarre take on people. You think all men approaching women do not have the capacity to be good men, or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:05 PM
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What I can find on the topic from a cursory search is that men perceive more makeup as willingness to be sexually open, i.e more likely to have casual sex. The hypothesis is that makeup mimics health, and a healthy woman is more likely to survive gestation and child birth. It does not mimic SEXUAL AROUSAL like you claimed yesterday. So no, it is not inherently tied to women being sexual, that's an absurd statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:59 PM
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Pink on the cheeks is literally people’s natural color when they are healthy; the opposite is being pallid and looking sickly. It’s not inherently sexual. If it were, it would only happen when people are aroused, but it doesn’t. All women use shimmer and glitter on the face or eyes lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:33 PM
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Beauty is not inherently sexual, and women seem to understand this — we can see that someone is good looking or has good style without wanting to fuck them. For some reason men cannot make this distinction. So really the problem seems to be men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:31 PM
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Once again, women do not view it as a compliment that men want to have sex with us just because we're there and he's horny. It's an insult. It's cheap. You are viewing this from a male lens like women are supposed to appreciate hoards of horny male attention like men would want it from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:20 PM
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Part of your "observations" were that makeup and other things women do is inherently sexual because it "mimics women in arousal," even though things like blush and pink lips are natural to human skin tone already. Things like fake freckles, glitter, shimmer, eyebrow products, etc. having nothing to do with mimicking arousal. It's about enhancing aesthetic value, often creating symmetry, which is not the same as something being sexual in nature. Beauty is not synonymous with sexual, and I really,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:17 PM
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My comment was specific to the two comments in the chain that preceded mine. I understand these problems are not equal, and nowhere did I imply they were.
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:22 PM
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I'd just ask these aliens to put me out of my misery at this point lol. There is a type of loneliness to both scenarios, but if I were forced to pick at gun point, I would pick B. At least I have a deep friendship with someone, and that is considerably less lonely than someone who forgets my entire existence at the end of every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:07 PM
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Sure, they are justified in hating women on some personal level; they are justified in never wanting to get romantically involved with a woman ever again. I mean, those are his feelings, he can feel how he feels. But define "hating." Do you mean just some inward feeling? Or do you mean acts of hate, e.g restricting rights, harming women, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:04 PM
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No, it’s a compliment when men actually value us beyond sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:45 PM
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Rich people probably have issues like “people are going to pretend to be my friend in order to get access to my money.” You know, kind of like how men lie, deceive, and love bomb in order to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:39 PM
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Actually yes, you should read the side bar on TRP and the papers linked to evo-psych and why men are viewed as pushy/rapey, and the excerpts from Rollo Tomassi on male violence. It also says that men are inherently disloyal and polygynous, which is why TRP justifies cheating for men but not for women. It’s fascinating that I have read actual red pill theory, meanwhile none of the men here have. Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:33 PM
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Yes, men wanting to have sex with us just because we are there and he’s horny is not a compliment. What is hard to understand about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:30 PM
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Totally unrelated to what is being discussed. I have no idea how this pertinent to what is being talked about right now or how this refutes what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:20 PM
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I’m speaking on male nature as the red pill describes it lol. And I’m even being generous — the red pill says that men are violent and the only thing stopping them from raping are the laws of the land lol. Like I said you can choose to believe this or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:12 PM
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You can choose not to accept this, that’s your prerogative. However every woman in existence knows this is true. It’s not even malicious some of the time, it’s that men get pushy when they are horny. They accidentally restrict airflow, they copy things they see in porn that hurt you, etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:53 PM
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The OP’s point is that women can get free sex whenever we want and that’s why we have no dating problems. This commenter is not saying men think of women as disembodied fleshlights. She’s saying most men would take free sex with a random woman, and that’s completely removed from him thinking of her as a fleshlight. I mean, that is just true. Most men would jump at the chance for free sex in where they are not obligated to have any sort of emotional attachment beyond sex. Most women, because we a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:46 PM
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A man pushing past your boundaries, even if it’s not violent rape, is a “normal” occurrence and possibility. That is just male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:34 PM
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Who is pretending like it’s equal? Everyone on this sub has said that men and women experience different problems in dating that cannot be compared because we each have no idea what it’s like to be the other. Being a woman and dating men, vs. being a man and dating women, are completely different experiences and come with their own issues. The only person here trying to compare them is you, and you’re getting real upset about it. I’m sure billionaires have their issues too, but that has nothing …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:33 PM
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Women require context and interaction for attraction, and online dating platforms don’t give us that. Therefore the only thing that OLD is good for is filtering by appearance, and even then, most of the time it doesn’t go anywhere because you don’t “experience” a man just by texting him. All of this is about as insightful as saying “Better looking men attract more women,” which is to say, not insightful at all. It’s common sense. On top of this, dating apps (in the U.S) lean mostly male, so math…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:16 PM
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Lol - I make well over 100k and at least half the men I run into have zero sense of fashion. Fashion and being able to take photos are not indicative of income. The others are based on physical attributes, so really you’re talking about looks. Thanks for confirming.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:10 PM
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I don’t ask random redditors about feminism because I have access to real feminist academics. Why would I be asking some rando? If I wanted to know more about feminist philosophy, I would either read the literature or talk to the people I know who are exploring feminist ethics in real life, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:47 PM
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Correct and I am asking the OP what he qualifies as “top tier” men since we have to define what top vs. average is to respond properly to his OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:38 PM
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I am asking what makes them top 10% in likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:36 PM
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Interesting, I didn’t know women could glean average income and status from a dating app profile lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:35 PM
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Which one of those do women glean from a dating app? How is “top” defined for you specifically within a dating app?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:35 PM
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Please be specific about what you mean by top vs. regular men. What does that mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:56 AM
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I feel like Hinge is the only dating platform that my friends and even some family members had work. I would consider these guys normal, “average” men as in, the kind of men that I am surrounded by in my day-to-day life. Idk what you mean here by top tier vs. average men. If it’s about looks, it needs to go in the weekly megathread.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:44 AM
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Message Mod Mail and we will take care of it!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:49 AM
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For most people, compatibility means shared values, similar cultural understanding, political alignment, life goals, philosophy on raising kids, whether to even have kids, what you want your shared life to look like in 20, 30, however many years. It does not mean adopting the same routines and personalities, emotional patterns, or hobbies. I don’t know a single person who thinks that’s what makes relationships compatible, so the premise of this post is so completely foreign to me to the point wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 01:17 AM
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The postural change of high heels is so subtle, and it does not fundamentally change what is already there. If someone has a great ass, that thang is gonna be thangin’ no matter what. Women do not wear heels because of the S-curve silhouette. Women wear heels because it’s a more formal shoe than a flat or a sneaker, meaning it fits into environments with a more elevated dress code. Makeup mimics natural feature in humans. People have a natural blush. Lips are already pink. People have natural sh…
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Feet and faces are not sexual in nature. They’re not even secondary sexual characteristics like breasts. Nice shoes can bring an outfit together. Faces can be beautiful, and certainly there’s something to be said about pretty privilege when you have a nice looking face. But they’re not sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:42 PM
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Women also wear heels and makeup to their office jobs, lol. Why are men sexualizing that? That’s a personal problem for that guy.
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:20 PM
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Letting a man do anal with you or degrade you during sex has nothing to do with attractiveness either. It has everything to do with whether you want that sex act or not — no one is going to do a sex act they would met normally do just because the other person is hot. That’s the whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:52 PM
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Those men are thinking about other men. Otherwise why would they be making comparisons like that? I have never ever ever once thought about how my fiance treated his exes. The only thing that matters is whether I am happy and whether my needs are met, and I feel loved. I don’t even know what he did with them. I’m not a cuck so I don’t care about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:27 PM
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That is high attraction to your partner, not how hot the guy is. Being attracted to someone is not the same as whether they are good looking. Tons of uggos out there in the world have satisfying sex lives and their partners are attracted to them. This also does not disprove what I said. The comment OP is talking about a sex act that she had already tried before, not just being open to kinks in general. If I played DnD with my ex because he wanted me to try it, and I decide I find it boring and I…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:25 PM
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Again, reread my original comment. Being okay with being treated like shit is not caring about one’s own value.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:22 PM
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I am asking you a question about the level of realism and believability of your scenario. Do you think that it is realistic that women will try a certain sex act and then not do it again unless the guy was hot? Do you think it is realistic that women reserve certain acts for men above a certain attractiveness level? Which sex acts? Do you think that means she even likes the sex act in the first place? I can promise you that 99.9% of people who enjoy a certain kink will want to do it with any of …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:19 PM
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If this is not you, then why are you commenting?? My original comment was literally about men who would be okay being treated like dirt, unloved and unhappy, as long as all her exes were treated like dirt too. If this does not apply to you, why are you all having conniptions about this??
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:14 PM
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Do you think this is a realistic scenario? What do you think is more realistic — that a woman finds anal sex repulsive and painful, and so only does it with a hot man, or that a woman finds anal sex repulsive and painful, and so doesn’t do it with any men at all? It is so antithetical to how normal people function to think they hate doing a certain sex acts, but will suddenly start doing them if the person is hot enough. And that goes for both men and women. These scenarios where women tried som…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:57 PM
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Except it’s not a strawman because my initial comment was literally about men who admitted they would be okay with an unhappy, unloving relationship as long as her other partners were unhappy and unloved too. They are actually willing to be unhappy as long as it was fair amongst the exes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:42 PM
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I’m just saying it how it is, it comes off insecure and gay to be concerned about what she’s doing with other men, over your own happiness (or lack thereof) with her. 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:29 PM
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Why would you think about the sex acts she does with OTHER men?? Like clearly this is a sticking point for men like the OP describes. They are thinking about her past men lol. Also you are assuming she’s a freak but not with him, when in reality it’s like, she tried anal with an ex and did not like it and now doesn’t want to do it in other relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:26 PM
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Men thinking more about the other men that his girl was with, over his actual girl, is mega gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:14 PM
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Again I think it’s mental illness to be okay with someone’s “best” while they treat you like dirt, but cling to the fact that it is their “best” because she treated her exes like dirt too. Also it’s embarrassing that this man’s perceived VALUE is so low that he will accept dirt. Like he cares about his value but accepts such poor treatment? And you think that’s him caring about his value??? Lol?? It’s all just complete nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:12 PM
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Literally agree
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:02 PM
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People do it all the time here. “The blue pill women are so dumb”; “red pill men are insecure.” And sometimes the thread TOPICS themselves are like this. Generalized statements are fine. That only time people take offense to it is when the shoe fits. This is not directed to anybody, once again, and this whole subreddit is built off generalizations that women are X or men are Y, and people debate this. But suddenly it’s a problem when I say men are retards when they willingly put themselves in un…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:54 AM
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Because if you (general) are okay with an unhappy relationship in which you are not getting your needs met and she treats you poorly, all because you think it’s “fair” that she treated all her exes poorly too, that is a sign of misplaced priorities and terrible decision making. I genuinely think it is mental illness to be okay with a relationship like that, to willingly put yourself in agony and emotional hurt all because you are afraid that she might have done more anal with some other guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:49 AM
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Because if you (general) are okay with an unhappy relationship in which you are not getting your needs met and she treats you poorly, all because you think it’s “fair” that she treated all her exes poorly too, that is a sign of misplaced priorities and terrible decision making. I genuinely think it is mental illness to be okay with a relationship like that, to willingly put yourself in agony and emotional hurt all because you are afraid that she might have done more anal with some other guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:48 AM
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This ain’t a personal attack or incivility to anybody, it’s a generalized statement. When people get banned for it, it’s cause they’re talking about someone specifically, and they do this within the comment chain, or they attempt to do it in the daily thread and talk about that person there. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:44 AM
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Some of the retards in this sub have admitted that they would be okay with an unloving, boring sexual partner as long as she was unloving and boring with all her past partners, lolllll 💀💀💀
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:33 AM
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Paternity fraud can already be litigated in civil court as it's a family issue. You can seek compensation for deception and whatever damages you/your lawyer argue. You, if you are a married father, can DNA test that baby the day after it's born and then have zero financial responsibility to it if you can prove it is not yours. If you are unmarried, no one forces you to sign the Acknowledgement of Paternity. It's a completely voluntary legal document. If the mom wants to claim you as the dad, she…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:48 PM
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Lol of course they can be learned. How you socialize is learned from your environment. Others who “just act” likely have not had to put thought into it because they learned how to socialize from a young age, put into group activities etc. and, over time, learned how to make and maintain friendships or other personal relationships. It’s harder to do as an adult when you are no longer in environments that allow for the quick and constant meeting of people, like school or college (unless you are in…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:49 PM
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Those things are common sense for everyone who is normally socially adjusted. That advice is not inherently red pill — it is advice that is included in the red pill due to what it says about female nature, but that advice is not strictly red pill and is found outside of it. Lol see now you are doing what women do when they read about what red pill says about women. Everything I said is taken from the red pill theory. Ofc this doesn’t mean 100% of men are like that, just like 100% women are not d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:26 PM
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This is a misleading title that omits the fact that most women have a problem with specifically red pill, not “trying to figure out women.” No one cares when men are like, “You gotta look good, present well, be social and confident, make her laugh, get a good banter going. Escalate as you get to know her.” But most women will have an issue with what red pill evo-psych theory says about female nature and psychology, as well as the strategies that are seen as manipulating and/or predatory, e.g neg…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:56 PM
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It means that there is some wide, societal understanding of traits that are considered masculine or feminine, depending on culture. So that will shift, as culture does, and varies between cultures. But it does not remove the fact that masculine and feminine are understood to include certain traits. Culture is usually observed via ethnography, as anthropologists do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:15 PM
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I understand why you think this way. But your argument is that they “are not” masculine or feminine, except they literally are. They’re social constructs that are understood on a cultural level, they already exist. 100% of men and women do not need to display a certain trait in order for it to be coded to one gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:16 PM
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Feminine and masculine are traits associated with one gender or the other regardless of whether it is biological or socially determined. Combative IS masculine coded. Submissiveness IS feminine coded. You just don’t agree that they should be this way, but that does not remove the overall social understanding of traits associated with either men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:38 PM
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If you mean being productive in life, then yes. But if you mean being fidgety, then no. I’m not even sure what you mean by hyperactive. Please elaborate more. Because debilitating ADHD is not the move.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:51 PM
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This is disgustingly sociopathic. “Children who did not choose to be born should have a shitty childhood in order to punish their mothers!” That is crazy work. I am actually stunned at this lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:20 AM
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People will never demonize step parents who accept their spouse’s existing children, because it is virtuous to care about the welfare of children. Raising more stable children to adulthood is better for society, as opposed to having a bunch of kids that carry the trauma of lacking a father figure. I would like to you to explain your logic on how the existence of step fathers incentivizes women to be single moms. No woman chooses to keep a baby because she thinks some guy will come along. She is …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:01 AM
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AroAce as in asexual AND aromantic? That seems like a bad time for me and likely most women who like romance and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:05 AM
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I was kissed at 13, but I don't really count it because the guy did it on a money bet from his friends. I was fug when I was young, LMAO, so I had a few experiences like that. My 'real' first kiss was at 17 with my first boyfriend. I've had 3 relationships, 2 of whom were sexual partners. Never had 'casual' sex in the sense that we both did not want a relationship. But I did enjoy meeting people and going on first dates when I was single. Longest I've gone single was 4.5 years (after the first r…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 03:11 PM
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Isn’t putting in an effort for a potential romantic partner to like you completely normal? Most people, both men and women, tend to put their best foot forward when they’re dating. That “best foot” is what sells yourself to them, even when it is completely authentic to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:57 PM
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You are not teaching your husband to lead. You are just giving him space to lead and not suffocating him — he should already now how to lead. Men, even competent men, do not want sacrifice and lead someone who is not adding value to his life. Why would he? Having seen this first hand with my cousins, a nagging wife will never stop even when her husband is competent. She is continuously competing with him despite wanting him to lead — that is between her and herself to sort out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:28 AM
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Again you can pick a man who is already good at leading and not know how to function in a relationship that allows him to exercise those qualities, which is primarily what is happening with those women. RPW was never for single women in the beginning — it was for married / LTR’d women as I stated in my original comment. So it discussed structural attraction issues within the context that you are already partnered, as often the dynamics of attraction shift once you are in a long-term relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 09:07 PM
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Because leaving your husband is not actionable advice to the vast majority of women who do not want their marriages to fail. We are seeing one blip in their marriage; often these are specific scenarios, so why would I tell someone to leave their husband over it? These women are looking to improve how to relate their husbands, and RPW gives them advice to take a step back and give him the space to lead rather than micro-managing him. Trusting your husband to make decisions (if that is what you wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:07 PM
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Being real & being yourself means not having to come up with a whole new identity to date, e.g if you like dice rolling with your buddies every Saturday playing DnD, there is no need to lie about this and say you love clubbing. The right woman will appreciate that you play DnD. It does not mean that you forgo any semblance of socialization, manners, and tact. Being racist or an asshole at the work function isn’t being “real”, that’s just being a retard.
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/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:48 PM
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Uhhh…? Women feel all of these things — anger, sadness, and embarrassment that they were strung along while their supposed loving husband or bf made a fool out of them. It is not like women don’t feel anger or sadness. I’m convinced these are just troll posts from men who have never felt real emotions before LMAOO.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:19 AM
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I don’t know if I would say I have gendered “expectations” of myself in dating. Any performative gender norms done, either physically or psychologically, are done because I enjoy them or because they are already a part of myself. The only expectation I have of myself is to be a good partner to the person I am dating. What men expect from women vary both geographically (country, region, state), and demographically (social class, education level, ethnicity, religion). So that second part of your q…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:52 AM
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Hell yeah this post ate (and so does the OP apparently 🤣) 🥴
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 12:30 AM
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Not a waste of time if you actually enjoy just being out. There are tons of activity bars where I am, and groups of friends just go to hang out. A guy shooting his shot is like barely any effort on top of that since he’s already there and having a good time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 08:36 PM
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You are losing the plot on both these points. The fact of the matter is that sex is riskier for women than it is for men. That is already not including the fact that men are stronger and more aggressive, and it is a literal physical risk to my body to allow any interested man to have sex with me. The RPW subreddit is about finding and maintaining male-led relationships, and that includes vetting for those traits. However that is not really about some objective value comparison — it is about whet…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:33 PM
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No one can justify the equitable nature of their relationship because the only person who matters in making that assessment is your boyfriend or husband. We strive to make our relationship greater than its parts. This means mutual love, shared emotional and material support, life vision, and goals. Easing the burden of life, and also encouraging each other to be better. I pick up in the areas where he’s not the strongest, and vice versa. But relationships are not about keeping score or tallying …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:31 PM
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No birth control is 100% effective unless you abstain from sex. I indeed abstained from sex with most men and have all my life. Women are also on the hook for decades of payments + the actual labor of raising that child if the child is kept, so that point of yours is irrelevant. Additionally, women risk their health during pregnancy, or they may have personal moral objections to having an abortion, so again there is no reason why women should be opening her legs to any man who wants her. There i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:38 PM
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I follow traditional gender norms and expectations, on top of me working. By choice. So, I looked for a man who was okay with cultural chivalry, and in the region of the United States where I live (Texas, and broadly ‘the South’), it is not difficult to find men who share these cultural customs. When I invite strangers out, I am the one who pays. I do not even think dating has to be expensive. I am not looking for “wealth” as I already date in my social class. I’m looking for manners, etiquette,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:44 PM
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I have on occasion when I was younger and in college. Yes, I did pay in full, e.g café as mentioned before, or whatever was near campus. However, I prefer not to ask men on dates because in the culture I am from, men court women and show his intentions aside from just sleeping with me. Since I also practice traditional gender norms, it is also my dating strategy to vet for men who take leadership and initiate. Passivity is a turn off to me, and I’ve learned that by trial and error. I am not look…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 03:02 PM
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Considering how costly gestation, childbirth, and child rearing is, not to mention that women are more likely to contract STIs from men than men are from women, there is no reason for women to make it easier for “any type of man” to date or have sex with us. I do not think about some random man’s value or worth. If it is at work, his worth is purely in the context of his professional demeanor and performance. I don’t care that men assign their own self-worth to dating and ability to get women. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 02:43 PM
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Your mistake is that you think, in this arrangement, men are giving more. I am part of an immigrant diaspora group; the way I was raised is reflect in how I navigate relationships. I look for men who are not stingy with their money, who will not be an embarrassment if we, as a couple, decide to host dinners or get togethers or invite our families out. I am looking for someone who was raised to understand that inviting someone out means you are the host. The same is true when I invite my friends …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 02:06 PM
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This argument is useless because in the red pill, female hypergamy is not about income. It is a holistic measure of attractiveness in where women feel attraction to “alphas” — men at the top of the male pecking order. Education hypergamy is all but closed, and income hypergamy has been closing on trend for the last 30 years. More and more couples make within 10% income of each other, and the amount of female breadwinner marriages has also risen greatly. What women are looking for is not a strict…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:49 PM
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Huh? I do not offer to split immediately. When the check comes, he either offers to pay it or doesn’t. Either way, I offer half after this has happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:50 PM
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No — because I said whether he pays or not is irrelevant. It’s if he offers in the first place, which tells me about his manners and whether we share the same cultural milieu.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:47 PM
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As a straight woman, I’d rather be single at that point. I don’t want to touch and fuck coochie. I also do not want to date a man I am not attracted to. Other women can think he’s below avg, but as long as he’s attractive to me that’s fine. This should be the obvious answer to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:06 AM
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I have also done this — do it tons when new people start at work and I ask them to grab lunch with me. Did it in college too, asking people to study with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 05:36 AM
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Not a test. It’s either a shared value and marker of similar cultural background, or it’s not. Why would I continue to date men who are not compatible with me and do not share the cultural background in which I was raised, and presumably will want to pass down to my children? He is simply not for me if he does not offer to pay. I pay my share, thank him for inviting me out, and we both simply move on. He also deserves someone who shares his values.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 05:06 AM
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Culture refers to the enmeshed social and political landscape in which you are raised, which includes social norms and attitudes surrounding dating. This usually varies both geographically (country, state, region, city), and demographically (social class, ethnicity, immigrant diaspora, etc.) So when referring to someone “culturally compatible” with me, it means raised in the same or very similar norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:58 AM
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This does not work on women who do not sleep around outside of relationships, and also does not work on women who prefer courtship before sex. There is no universal “good” strategy. There are only strategies that filter out what you don’t want and vet for what you do want. I always offer to split and have split like 50% of the time. Whether he actually pays or not is irrelevant. What I am looking for, however, is that he offers to pay — this lets me know we are culturally compatible and he views…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 04:41 AM
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I told you what the intent was and you chose to keep insisting I mean something I didn't. I literally clarified it for you. At this point this is all a problem in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 11:12 PM
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Again, you are choosing to apply intent that was not present. That's a you problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 11:03 PM
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Makeup and clothing are not doing anything to men. They are passive things that just exist. Negging a woman and trying to get past "last minute resistance" when she says no to sex is targeted manipulation and coercion. I am convinced that men like this, who think normal women wearing clothing and eyeliner is some sort of manipulation, have developed this from porn addiction or over-exposure to Instagram thots and Only Fans women. This is not normal. Seek help.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 10:55 PM
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Let me remind you of the topic set by the OP: I find it EXTREMELY hard to sympathize with most of women's dating woes. It wasn't "I'm lonely."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 10:47 PM
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Finding it difficult to sympathize with women is a champagne problem. You are choosing to inject words I did not say into the equation, which is uniquely a 'you' problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 09:49 PM
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I did not say I was not willing to empathize with men. The OP's topic is this: I find it EXTREMELY hard to sympathize with most of women's dating woes. Challenging the OP's view means there should be some way to convince him that it should be easy to sympathize with most of women's dating woes. Not "the select women who acted in good faith and got burned." Most women's dating woes. Personal feelings are not debatable. "No you actually don't feel that way"? Morals, ethics, policies, calls to acti…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:56 PM
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This post is not debatable. This is a rant about how you find it difficult to empathize, but there is nothing to debate about that. What are we supposed to change your mind on? That you should not find it difficult? That’s how you feel, so it is what it is. At the end of the day, these are all champagne problems. You do not have to care, just like no one has to care about your problems.
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/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 02:52 PM
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You actually can get a DNA test as soon as the baby is born. If you are married it is assumed paternity, and you, as the father, can take that baby’s hair and yours and send it off all on your own. You typically have a time limit on when you can contest paternity — here in TX it is 4 years. Time can be extended depending on circumstance. 4 years is plenty of time to send off a DNA sample and file a suit. If you are not married, you literally do not even have to sign the Acknowledgement of Patern…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 01:13 PM
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Their argument is not really that uggos are exclusively nice. Idk, maybe some guys think that, but I think that’s just willful retardation on their part. Their argument is that (some) women choose to overlook asshole behavior cause the guy is hot, and then tell the uggos he can’t get laid because of the same asshole behavior. Of course that is just par for the course, more attractive men and women can more easily get away with being assholes and bitches.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 12:36 AM
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I enforce the rules as they were created — most Discussion posts are rejected or changed flairs for that reason. In the subreddit wiki, there is a guideline for how to submit a proper Discussion post. This post did not meet those guidelines. She wants to know “why” RPW have the views they do — while also misrepresenting what it actually is in her OP — and as such it is better fit for either Debate or Q4X. It is a bad faith “discussion” searching for people who agree with her, which is what happe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 12:23 AM
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It is literally part of the subreddit rules that the Discussion flair is not to be used for threads that will turn into a circle jerk. The same would apply to a anyone making a thread like “I don’t understand red pill” but keeping it open to people who disagree with the red pill, and will give answers that are not conducive to actually understanding what it is. I have explained this to the OP and gave her the choice between having it flaired Q4W or Q4RedPill and, she chose the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 11:29 PM
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Lol that is not what a pick me is. What you are describing is a any monogamous woman lmaooo.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:09 PM
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You want your wife craving validation from other men? You want her keke-ing with other men about how anti-woke she is and that she hates feminism, meanwhile they are orbiting her as a perfect woman? And she is getting joy from their attention? You want that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:09 PM
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A pick me is a woman who craves male validation at the expense of other women. The reason pick mes do not get picked is because doing that is actually not pleasant. Plus their need for male validation does not stop once they get a man — they will crave male validation from other men too, which is nasty.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:48 PM
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No quiz, but this article should help assess what works for you: Back to Basics September - Relationship Dynamics Part 1 Personally I find it helpful to determine where my previous relationships fell into this system, and then reflect on what worked or didn't in relation to our dispositions. This is not gospel word though, just a good starting point for reflection and seeing what may be right for you. u/Wife_and_Mama makes a very good point tho, that people are not archetypes. They can fall into…
/r/RedPillWomen30/04/26 06:29 PM
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RPW is a bit more than that, but the general consensus it comes to is that, based on red pill evo-psych theory, relationships work better when men are respected and their needs are met. You can mostly align with the evo-psych theory and then characterize / moralize it differently, which is pink pill-ish.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:13 PM
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The last time I looked at this specific thread on RPW, the top 2-4 comments (from Red Pill endorsed contributers, or starred members) were about her communicating her needs, and providing actionable advice to help her be firm about her husband's parenting duties. They did acknowledge that it was not fair to her to parent their child on her own, but also acknowledged that her husband is the sole financial provider and that comes with responsibilities and stress of its own, which is a fair assessm…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:07 PM
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Which one you choose would be dependent on your tolerance for alpha vs. beta traits in a man. And dominance is not always attached to career — it is more about authoritative disposition to me. Men who fall into the second group can still maintain attraction from a woman, provided he has a good proportion of alpha traits not tied to career to carry the attraction. That is what I would choose, personally, as higher dominance men tend to make me skittish and I am an easy crier.
/r/RedPillWomen30/04/26 05:32 PM
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In the subreddit rules/wiki, it states we allow internal questions as long as it is asking a group that the OP is not a part of, i.e. you asking RPW, or a non-passport bro asking men who are specifically passport bros, etc. Asking a general discussion question to people who know nothing about RPW is not conducive to having a good faith discussion over "understanding" RPW because they know nothing about it. Some (older) red pill men might, in which case I can change the flair to Question For Red …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 05:12 PM
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It is that it is asking about a specific target group of women (RPW), which you are not a part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 04:48 PM
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I have changed your flair to Question For Women to avoid circle jerking from men who do not know what RPW is. No one wants to hear from crusty men who have never visited the Red Pill Women or Red Pill Wives subreddits before. That being said, here's the answer to your question: in its inception, RPW was for high dominance women trying to bid their husbands into taking initiative / being a leader / being more dominant, because that's what they were attracted to and what they respected. But they w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 04:39 PM
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They believe no one should be forced into performing a norm for the sake of it. They believe individuals should have the ability choose which norms to accept for themselves and which to reject, and plenty of men — most men even — choose to perform many markers of traditional masculinity anyway. So in that way, men and women do not “have” to do anything, they have the freedom to exist outside the norms. But that doesn’t obligate anyone to date them either, as attraction and standards are also an …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:44 PM
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I do not entertain black pill rhetoric and neither does this subreddit, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 02:11 PM
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Those are not the same things. A man can be plain / normal looking and spark excitement, get a girl horny, whatever. For that matter, a good looking man can make a girl feel nothing if he does not initiate or is bad at flirting. Ugly men are just repulsive on the spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 02:04 PM
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Lack of attraction does not mean ugly. Unless you are a black piller who thinks attraction only comes from looks, in which case tread carefully because black piller rhetoric is not allowed on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:57 PM
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Most feminist women loosely believe in pop culture feminism, which focuses on individualism and freedom of individual choice. So yes, they do not believe that “men” as a demographic have to adhere to a certain masculine standard, but that individuals have the freedom to choose what they want, including her when she wants a traditionally masculine man. They think of themselves as “above” enforced gender roles, not above the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:56 PM
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You’re not reading what I wrote accurately. “Wildly attractive” traits (seduction, excitement, confidence, etc.) are not the same as “being a good catch” which are traits usually suited for a LTR, like how a person treats you after getting to know them, their character, values, the rest of the personality that does not involve initial attraction. I do not interact with my guy friends in a way that will make me feel attraction, they don’t hit on me, they don’t flirt with me, so I cannot speak to …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:36 PM
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Are you asking about why feminist women still seemingly seek out masculine men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:23 PM
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The reason those women are the ones responding is because, on most threads posted here, only people who disagree with a Debate thread can post a first-level reply. Lol. So when the discourse is like “Women only want masculine men who make more money than them,” this subreddit is literally designed to invite the women (or men) who do not agree to debate on that thread. Otherwise it just turns into a circle jerk where the OP does not have his or her view challenged. On occasion when we have posts …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:08 PM
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He’s a catch based on what those women know about him, which are usually traits that are good for maintaining a LTR. But they do not interact with him in terms of him having to get them aroused, so they wouldn’t know about that part. It’s not a lie, it’s that it’s an incomplete picture to begin with. A person can have really great LTR traits and then be a socially awkward weirdo around women he meets, unable to seduce them or spark excitement. No one would really know unless they watched him fum…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:59 PM
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Yeah, he said he would work on it, I just figured it was nerves or something. He was my first bf ever, I was giving him the chance to do better and he didn’t. It just got worse lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:33 PM
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Because I had a crush on him, I thought the social awkwardness was cute until I brought him around my family and friends and realized he literally could not have a conversation with them, it was so embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:07 PM
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Right because no socially awkward retard of a man has ever gotten a girlfriend before. Lollll
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:05 PM
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I did and look where that got me
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:32 PM
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Splitting dates is the norm among urban and suburban America, and even moreso in Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:23 PM
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That is the overlap between social isolation and inceldom. That is a commonality among them. You did not say Chad was included, you said “Chad statistically is way more violent.” Your words, not mine. Incels are not more feared than other men. Women fear all men. They are, however, still problematic. Misogyny is a problem, hatefulness is a problem, their adoration of violence toward women is a problem. Most women are not being abused by our partners. But we exist online and/or real life and expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 04:22 PM
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No no that is not what you claimed. You said, and I repeat: “Chad statistically is way more dangerous.” This claim means attractive men are more likely to perpetrate violence. That is not the same as “attractive men are included in the group of intimate partners.” You specially said CHAD (i.e attractive men) is statistically way more dangerous. To prove this, statistically, you would need to show us evidence that attractive men have higher rates of violence. Back up your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:59 PM
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There is so much research on incels and loneliness and lack of social support: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9892684/ Famous cases of violent unselected men, especially considering their background of being socially isolated and mental health problems, shows that incels (who are also socially isolated and suffer mental health problems) are also problematic and prone to the same behaviors. You said “Chad is way more dangerous.” Specifically Chad. Explain that. The incels’ violence here…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:49 PM
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Why do you think this is not openly discussed? It’s so open that research shows married men have the most sex. It is so incredibly open that if it were gay, it wouldn’t have even started inside the closet. Also, men still need those exciting traits to attract women for a LTR. A man struggling with that is going to struggle finding a woman to sleep with him even in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:43 PM
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“Chad statistically is way more dangerous” Please explain how attractive men statistically perpetrate more violence, since that is what you claimed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:30 PM
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I’m saying do not give a chance to any socially awkward guy who doesn’t typically get romantic interest, because my fist bf showed me that 1) men who do not typically get romantic interest will leap at the chance to cheat, and 2) socially awkward men are embarrassing to introduce to my family, especially my parents. I have now written off any man who falls into these categories.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:26 PM
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The correlation between social isolation and incel is very strong, to the point where incels are known for dropping out of society, as they feel no obligation to participate in a society that does not give them what they want (a gf, wife, woman to bang). Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold, Eric Harris, and Elliot Roger did not have girlfriends, and 2/4 were known for being hateful and abusive after experiencing rejection. The other 2 were just completely unselected. So 🤷‍♀️ Your post says “Chads” are sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:17 PM
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You will also have to explain how Chad (supposedly only the top 10% of the population) is doing all the damage, and how attractiveness factors into higher rates of violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:06 PM
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This is so true brother — I no longer date and am no longer willing to give a chance to any socially awkward inexperienced nerdy guys after my first bf like that cheated on me. They’re all red flags 🚩
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:58 PM
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Research suggests specifically school shooters are socially isolated men tho. Idk man I select for really great men in my personal life. My poor experiences with men are largely w antisocial men who identify as incels. Guy like that (self identified incel) got kicked out of my friend group in college cause he liked a girl who didn’t like him back, so when her dog died a couple weeks later, he told her that her dog deserved to die. A lot of incels get flack bc they are raging wackos online who sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:52 PM
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Unselected men are wacko in their own way — every time I was wished rape/abuse or threatened with doxing from this subreddit, it came from an unselected man. Also aren’t most school shooters socially isolated unselected men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:23 PM
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Women are not going to give pity sex to them. In my case, we WERE the youthful love. So no.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:10 PM
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RPW is not really equipped to heal over cheating and abuse. Those are very complex situations, and we do not know where you are, so we don’t know what resources are like for women escaping abusive situations / women fearing for their safety. Since he is so engrossed in his projects, now is the perfect time to build a support system. Do you work or go to school? Do you have anything extended family nearby, or other people you can trust?
/r/RedPillWomen29/04/26 01:17 PM
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Sure! The concept of 80/20, or smaller percentages of men, was never meant to consider the entire social spectrum because women do not even see/interact with all men. The vast majority of people's SMP (sexual marketplace) is made of whatever demographics they themselves are a part of. For example I am college educated, middle class (or upper middle depending on how you define it), suburban, and am a young professional. I'm average looking. Most of my dating options were constrained to that group…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:44 PM
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My literal question because it is defined very clearly in the subreddit rules & wiki. And it does not include this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:07 PM
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Idk what red pillers now believe — they probably have never read the actual red pill theory bc they're retarded & chronically online, but OG red pill was nuanced and contextualized. Like, the 80/20 rule was also broken down into smaller social groups that still considered assortative mating. Like the nerdy weirdo women still wanted the most attractive/popular nerdy weirdo men in her group, but overall that entire group might just be a bunch of nerdy, weirdo average or even ugly people. Now, I ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:00 PM
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Correct - that's literally it. Either you (general) find what you are looking for or you stay content single.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:49 PM
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Nobody is forcing him to pay, he can just be upfront about splitting. Tons and tons of women split dates, he can choose to go on a date with one of them. Nobody is getting used in either scenario according to the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:39 PM
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Hmmm.. I'd say it's a mix of both antisocial and asocial. Some guys will sulk alone at a party and then be like "why aren't women talking to me?! Those hoes" as if it's some sort of mystery. But a man can also be polite and socially adjusted in terms of not being hostile, and still not get play. There are also men who believe in red pill but are not rude or antisocial. We have some on this sub, who are married even and have whole families. The red pill informs how they navigate attraction, not n…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:36 PM
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But he agreed to pay, in most cases they even offer to pay, and sex/a relationship is not guaranteed like the OP says. Ergo, men who choose to do this cannot be used because he agreed to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:29 PM
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Really hot conventionally attractive men never flirted with me so I dunno. I have rejected hotter men (compared to others who were interested in me) for various reasons. What I can say is that average men ghost and get flakey too, and I assumed they were no longer interested. Same with me ghosting other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:09 PM
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Women do not fall in love with “hi.” What is happening is that this man has put himself on her radar, he went from invisible to seen, and she thinks he’s cute. She may flirt but most of the time she will want him to make “the move” (asking her out, etc.) If a man does not make a move, I lose attraction to him and will just move on to the next guy who initiates. That’s just me tho, I lose attraction at passivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:40 PM
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So you also agree that women cannot use men for a string of dates and meals because they both got to spend time with each other and enjoy each others’ company? I am understanding you correctly?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:30 PM
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u/Euphoric_Emotion_169 You, as the OP, have to engage in your Debate posts after posting, otherwise this thread will be removed — like the last one — for OP abandonment. Thank you for abiding by subreddit rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:25 PM
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Of course you can use someone for sex by lying to them. If someone tells you they only have sex in committed relationships, and you pretend to want to be in one in order to sleep with her, you used her. By your logic, women who continuously see men for meals and dates without actually wanting to be in a relationship with him did not use him? Is that correct? He chose to be on those dates, therefore men cannot get used that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:11 PM
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A lot of men (here) mistake mating strategy and dating standards as 1:1 reciprocity, and they're not. In the end, you both should feel like what you are giving to the relationship, and what you're getting out of it, are balanced. They do not have to be the exact same things, nor do you have to value them the same. But you should both feel fulfilled, and like the sum of your relationship is greater than its parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 09:50 PM
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OP, you need to actually debate on your debate post otherwise it will be removed for lack of OP engagement. Thank you for abiding by subreddit rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 09:04 PM
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I loveeee weddings, everyone is in a great mood and there's free alcohol (at most of the ones I've been to), and I love seeing every couple's personal sense of style and aesthetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 08:41 PM
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Men don't care about male pleasure in porn in general; for them, sex is reduced to an external object of attraction. What? Lots of men do not even need this, they literally admit to dumpster diving for ugly and/or fat woman because nutting in a vagina feels better than masturbating with his hand lol, even if he thinks she's embarrassing to look at. The person he's having sex with doesn't need to be an object of attraction at all. Women can absolutely be attracted to male bodies during sex and of…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:32 PM
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There is no such thing as “equivalent value” and trying to create an equalizing system is the world’s greatest autistic endeavor, sorry to say. Your “value” is how it performs in the market. That’s the truth of everything. Salty men can sit here and say so-and-so are overrating themselves, but if they can get the majority of their preferences, that’s how the market is regulated lol. Some retards on the internet pretending like they are the arbiters of “true value” doesn’t change that. The only t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 04:07 PM
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Kith’rak Voss from BG3. Lmaooo
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 03:39 PM
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I love some of these answers like “cute and doesn’t give me trouble” LMAO, meanwhile the OP asked for specifics about expectations and every day life, what she does in this every day life etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 11:59 AM
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I have changed your flair back to purple pill. Changing your flair to answer questions within groups that are not your own will result in a complete flair ban. This is your only warning.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:06 PM
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Men answering this question is crazy cause they will NEVER know how other men are around women. We even had a post on this sub the other day talking about how women should date awkward socially retarded men because he was “guaranteed” to be loyal and a good partner lol. Women should just ask their married friends and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:21 PM
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Is this restricted to TRP men only, or can RPW answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 04:06 PM
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Nobody said anything about enjoying it. I am explaining the perception western men have of “submissive Asian women abroad.”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:00 PM
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Men should do this, absolutely, if they feel like they want to experience casual sex. I just do not think it means it will result in the outcome you proposed. Maybe for some men, idk. But resentment is a funny thing. You can make things better for yourself and still carry the resentment. And, in some cases, the success at a later age may make the resentment worse. Like when women go through glow-ups, significant weight loss, etc. it can sometimes feel like, "No one wanted me when I was unattract…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:08 PM
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u/bAlsdeepdesi Your post has been changed to Debate since you are arguing an affirmative claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:57 PM
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We are looking for more mods for PPD, especially to help moderate the Daily Thread, i.e. keeping looks, n-count, and circle jerking the main subreddit out, among other things that do not belong here. Please contact Mod Mail for interest or further questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:57 PM
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The reason people are asking about what boundaries you inadvertently crossed because you couldn't identify them is because you have this line in your OP: How can I respect what I can't identify? The whole time in your OP, you are adding personal context to this, using "I" language, as if they are experiences you have. So it is not presumptive to think that you are speaking from your own experiences. If you do not get close enough to encounter boundaries, how do you know which boundaries are diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:14 PM
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The amount of men passport bro-ing is negligible to the avg woman's dating pool. Where I am from, most of these men are called Losers Back Home, and the woman tolerate his unattractiveness because he has money. They are not "bad" people, simply unattractive options. But the money gets them attention from third world women who have none. Top tier men are never going to be passport broing because, largely, people prefer to date in their cultural frame. A top tier woman in his country, who he has a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:06 PM
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Most men in the United States find marriage partners there, so clearly average men are not dying alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:55 PM
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Idk how it is for South Asia, but in East and Southeast Asia, "submissive" is the wrong framing for women. They are more reserved and quiet than western women, especially publicly. But that does not mean they are submissive — they just employ different tactics to get their way. They are mercenary and will often use in-laws, family pressure, shame, and nagging to get what they want. That's where the "tiger wife" stereotype comes from, where she controls her husband to achieve her own goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:54 PM
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I did not say it wasn’t, but the OP says those women are low body count, and they’re not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:48 PM
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That’s not natural selection tho, natural selection is about something genetic that helps you procreate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:20 PM
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As someone from one the most visited passport bro countries in the world, the quality of men going there is average/plain to questionable, so it’s not like women in western countries are missing out on much. One of the passport bros from this very subreddit is an animal abuser and would tell women he hopes they relive their rape trauma. So like… good riddance, I guess. I also find it fascinating that men think women in Southeast Asia do not get high body count, but they do… and it is because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:07 PM
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There are socially defined boundaries that are not exclusive to women, and you should have been picking those up as you’ve interacted with people over the years. What kind of boundaries have you crossed with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:59 PM
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You can believe something and argue why other people don’t believe in it. That’s what this subreddit is for - it’s purple pill debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:00 PM
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Omg I’m not even trying to argue the existence of the pattern; I’m saying those women do not even believe the pattern exists like red pill says it does. They do not be believe it is significant enough to be called out as some nearly universal pattern like the red pill says it does. Do you understand this???
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:59 AM
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Would you mind sharing examples? Dreading has a specific purpose, to make you feel a certain way, so I’m not sure if it’s actually dread game or something else.
/r/RedPillWomen24/04/26 01:35 AM
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Tbqh I do not have enough male friends in my social circles to hear much bro-to-bro advice. I’m not even sure why I would have an opinion on men giving other men advice; I don’t even care about whatever advice retarded grifters say on their podcasts. This post honestly does not even sound like a genuine Q4W. It sounds like you are airing your personal grievances out and flaring it as Q4W because men asking internal questions to other men is against the subreddit rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:25 AM
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Those women inherently do not believe that the outcome cluster is significant enough to fall in line with red pill ideology, that is what you are seemingly not understanding. The red pill supposes the outcome cluster is only made up of top men. The women who disagree with that disagree with the fundamentals of that idea. 75% of men are married or have been married at least once by the time they reach 50 years old. That is an awful lot of men outside of Chad who have been chosen and gotten laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:11 AM
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The Chad archetype is a very rigid standard, and women are seeing, all around them, that normal women choose from a pool of normal men. Nobody disagrees that more (physically) attractive men get more attention. But that is about as insightful as saying more attractive women get more male attention. The kind of women you are talking about in your OP are saying attraction is unique to the individual tho, so they are not actually agreeing with men saying women are exclusively attracted to Chad. And…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:48 AM
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The entire red pill theory supposes it is the same 20% of men, though. That’s the thing. The criteria for being top 20% is more or less rigid. There’s a reason the men in this subreddit claim women chase specifically Chad, not that women chase after whatever man is personally the best option to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:29 AM
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That is not actually what gets pushback, nor are people agreeing. Women saying they are individually interested in only a small number of men is not the same as whatever pill guys saying women are interested in the same top 1% (or whatever % men here claim it is).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:01 AM
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How would you still be viewed as the same nerdy kids from high school, if most people expand or even have completely different social groups as adults? You’ve described yourself here as some well put together guy who’s not a stereotypical nerd, so why would people you meet as an adult have the impression that you are some scrawny nerdy, awkward kid? I don’t understand? Also this is not a debatable post — “some” men (as in, more than 1 man) will never find a life partner, correct. What are we sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:58 PM
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I have literally addressed this in this comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/RVK7a27InA Also 25% is not true. There is a 50% divorce rate between western men and Japanese nationals. The figure ranges from 25-50% depending on the country the foreign woman is from.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:45 PM
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I don't believe this. Plenty of couples get together while young and still figuring out life. Maintaining a relationship is less about material maturity than it is about emotional maturity and being willing to grow with that person, and whether you agree on your split of responsibilities. Also consider that some people do not even care if their partner has that skill at all — I have literally never given a shit whether a man can cook or clean. I prefer do all the cooking because it is something …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 08:59 PM
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Tbh I think it's okay to explicitly want a partner who will fill in those missing gaps. Some people either do not learn them, really hate them, or something else. Some people will fall into a stereotypical husband-provision and wife-domestic role, and that's okay. Marriage is a team effort, and preferably you want someone aligned with what you are able to contribute or not contribute. It is not okay to be like, all men should be providers for his woman, or all women should be cooking and cleanin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 07:24 PM
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What you are describing is called “paying taxes” and “living in society.” My property taxes go toward funding schools when I have no children myself. And what? That’s not simping, that’s called the cost of living in civilized society. By all means, you are free to purchase and live on some ungoverned island or something, where you do not have to participate in practices like taxation, which has been around since the advent of the Neolithic Revolution and permanent civilizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:31 PM
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Marriage laws have nothing to do with systemic issues in dating. The biggest systemic issue men face in dating is the inability to attract, and to a lesser extent, simping. The former is largely fueled by women having a biological and social imperative to be picker about who we partner with. As a red pilled man, I’m sure you would agree with that. The latter is a personal problem and has nothing to do with legality or even culture. That man can stop at any point in time. Nobody is forcing men to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:58 PM
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I mean, this comparison doesn't make sense. Most men already do not abuse women, so you cannot really "force" men to not abuse women. They already don't, so no one's autonomy is being taken away. The solution men are looking for is to have more women date them, and forcing women to date men is taking away their autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:30 PM
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Yeah, I believe they are real. You'll find most women believe they are real. But these questions are pointless because, imo, men are not looking for women to just believe them. They are looking for women to date and give themselves to struggling men. If this is not you, that's great! But that is not my experience with men talking about their struggles.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:51 PM
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Like you, I do not see the differentiation in men because they are all the same gender. Now what? They are all violent, rapey porn addicts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:19 PM
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Influencer men are also several times richer than the average man or woman, whether that's red pill grifters, fitness accounts, or something else. Since we are counting everything under the same gender, then we can safely say all men are porn addicted sex work consumers who like objectifying random women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:08 PM
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How do "women" have a inconsistent beliefs when you are talking about different groups of women? Women who do not want to objectify themselves and don't like being objectified are not sex workers or have thirst trap accounts. Women who like constant male validation and objectification as sexual beings are the ones who choose to be sex workers or have thirst trap accounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:59 PM
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Random women on the street, at work, at the local coffee shop do not want to be objectified by stranger rando men while living their normal lives. Women with Only Fans accounts, Instagram hoes, and sex workers are explicitly looking to objectify themselves because it earns them money. Hope this helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:45 PM
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While I am not necessarily disagreeing with your title, these scenarios presented are always absurd misrepresentations of real life. Why do you guys do that? First, the average age of first marriages in the U.S. is 28 for women and 30 for men. Considering most people date for a few years and cohabitate before getting married (~75% of couples), this means they are pairing up in their early to mid 20s, and then getting married in their late 20s to early 30s. The "average woman" Lisa is actually no…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:25 PM
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Protecting your peace is not one-sided. Even men protect their peace. Everyone does because that's what standards and boundaries are. Do you acquiesce to everything a woman asks for? Do you invite constant turmoil as an expense of being in a relationship? Of course your don't. You cannot compromise on everything — open relationships, having children or not, whether your partner becomes an addict or not, financial management, etc. Acting like "protecting your peace" is one-sided is incredibly dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:09 PM
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People asking out others in their offline circles has worked for me and so many others I know. But, no one I know was dumb enough to ask out a woman and then follow up with her close friends. It was more that they asked out a friend of a friend, someone they met at a get-together or party at so-and-so's place that they both knew. Back when I worked in luxury retail, the courier guys who did our shipment drop-off would flirt with, and sometimes date, the girls at the store I managed. So they were…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:39 PM
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I am telling the OP that he is wrong because he literally said this: go for someone who doesn’t have those traits—thereby guaranteeing themselves the loyalty and emotional stability I am telling him that it does not guarantee anything. The sample size does not matter because I’m not trying to prove awkward guys are cheaters; I’m saying choosing an awkward guy does not guarantee anything. This also does not take into account that I do not want to bring a socially unpracticed man around my parents…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:19 PM
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Lmao that doesn’t guarantee anything. Not loyalty, not nada. My first bf ever, a 5’6” League-of-Legends-playing awkward software engineering student, cheated on me with an equally awkward female engineering student when we were in college. And the kicker is that, at that time, we were both hella religious and he supported us waiting until marriage! I am not sure why you think awkwardness has anything to do with loyalty. And why would I want to bring some awkward guy with no social skills around …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:01 PM
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No literally lmaoooo
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:17 AM
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This is not true either. This depends on both of your demographics - income bracket, education level, culture, religion, race and/or ethnicity. Unsurprisingly the people with the lowest divorce rates are those where both spouses are at least middle class earners, and college educated. It is sitting anywhere between 17-30%, depending on some other factors. Meanwhile American men to foreign women range anywhere from 25-50% depending on what source you look at. Those of us who are educated and not …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:10 AM
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Not immoral but you are missing a very important consideration: The divorce rate in that country is often not the same divorce rate between inter-cultural marriages. For example, the divorce rate in Japan between Japanese citizens and foreigners is much higher than the divorce rate between 2 Japanese citizens. It is not as simple as looking at their internal divorce rates because there is a HUGE culture shock when you go to another country to find a life partner. There’s a higher chance you’ll d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:28 PM
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This has nothing to do with men being chosen as resource providers / making more money than his wife. You’re lumping in like a million points together and saying they all go had in hand, but they don’t. Also if your post is ultimately about body count, it needs to go in the n-count weekly thread. It is against subreddit rules to have standalone posts about body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:18 PM
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Ironically higher household incomes have lower divorce rates than those making under $40k. Like, generally, a man making greater money than his wife correlates with lower divorce risk. So how does it contribute to high divorce rates? The group with the highest divorce rates (by income) are low rent poors.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:20 PM
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What city? Most people live in a metro area, even the clubs I went to in Atlanta were not a 2 hour wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:30 PM
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This is so weird to me considering there are tons of diff kinds of bars. Around where I am most bars aren’t places for drunken idiots, and there’s lots of activity bars too. Nor are there 3 hour lines, this is all so absurdly out of touch with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:24 PM
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It is not an assumption on my end. They straight up tell me that they do not have social lives because they do not see the benefit in having one since they believe it does not lead to sex, which is what they want. We have men here on PPD all the time who say they only observe human interaction online. I always find the difference in opinion over whether social life helps or doesn't very fascinating. Because for me and for so many of my peers, the social life led to many relationships. Not necess…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:47 PM
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Your Average is whatever is around you. Considering most people are middle class and normal looking, and they see their communities are filled with other middle class normal looking people who are partnered up together, I would say most people know what average is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:03 PM
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You are correct, this is the original black pill community's definition and the one PPD uses.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:32 PM
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This is wrong. Idk how old you are, but the actual black pill came about ~15 to 20 years ago, because it was all the red pill guys who failed, and the conclusion they came to was that looks / their genetics hindered them so greatly that they would never succeed. That's what differentiated it from OG red pill — it was about genetic determinism and looks fatalism. That's where hopelessness and "LDAR" (lay down and rot) came from. Incels were the ones who created the black pill. Looksmaxxing being …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:30 PM
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Yes, dating and the SMP is easier for us and always has been, and always will be. Yes, if you define privilege as an advantage in dating. But you have to understand that many women do not see a bunch of random men horny for us as a “privilege.” It’s more like a threat if I am just out and about, trying to live my life, and not trying to attract anybody. Life being better for men in the 50s heavily depended on your race and social class. Also life being better for men then coincides with life bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:25 PM
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Tbh my dad met my mom while she was being courted by someone else. They got engaged after less than a year of dating and have been married for over 30 years. Although I’ve never seen a guy say to wear her down, that’s crazy lmao. It’s more like… if she decides she likes you more and breaks up with her bf because of it, it’s fair to take the chance and go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 09:24 PM
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You post has been reflaired to Debate since you arguing an affirmative statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:02 PM
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Calling them faulty genes is really uncouth, but if given the choice, I am willing to bet the vast majority of parents would choose for their male (or female tbh) kid to not be autistic. It's an impairment — sometimes social, sometimes developmental — that impacts most women's desire to partner with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:58 PM
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You know the red pill says male nature is to be disloyal, violent, polygynous ephebophiles? Most men have problems hearing that including the ones flaired """"""Red Pill Man"""""".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:26 PM
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130k and 180k are both UMC. We work in similar professional fields and I have one more degree than he does. I would date someone who makes 80k, that's middle class. As long as he went to college because I want to raise kids with someone who is aligned with my values on how to raise kids. Meaning, seeing the value in higher education.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:34 PM
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Omg grifters con people for attention and money, more news at 11. But anyway, decentering the opposite sex is not really about hating them or refusing to be in a relationship with them. It’s not about being above relationships. It’s being satisfied with your life regardless of whether you choose to have a partner or not. That you should only be in a relationship if it is adding something beneficial to your life, rather than being in a relationship because you feel it’s expected or because you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 01:35 PM
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Some women will choose a man they find physically attractive but have nothing else going for him, if they just want casual sex. A dick appointment. It’s to help prevent feelings from forming because she thinks he’s a loser and doesn’t respect him, but she’s also horny and he’s just there. Dude doesn’t really have to be “Chad” tho; one of my friends chose the guy cause he liked eating pussy and sometimes didn’t want to do more than that. Some women also choose a guy who’s not attractive, but she’…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 01:23 PM
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No. That is is pink pilled women. r/RedPillWomen is something different. It is believing in red pill theory with a focus on finding male-led LTRs, especially marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 01:05 PM
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I think the most bizarre response I saw was that they don’t know you well yet, so they don’t see a point into putting effort into what they wear. But like… dressing appropriately for a location or venue, just based on what is normal for that area, has always been a thing… even when my guy friends are not on dates, they put on a collared shirt or a polo & chinos, a watch, crisp sneakers, a spritz of cologne or whatever else. Even if it’s still relatively casual, it’s more put together than a wrin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:20 PM
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Yes, individual basis! I know that like 88% of men are married by the time they hit 45 or something like that, I can’t remember what the exact stat is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:11 PM
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As in women will only find a minority of men compatible with them, whereas men claim they will accept sex from most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:04 PM
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The privilege women have in the SMP will never go away. Blue pill women do not give that advice to keep the privilege because they'd have it anyway. Even if all men theoretically self-improved, women will still be picky and gatekeep sexual access from most men. Blue pillers give that advice for a much simpler reason: because in their experience, among their peers and friends, that's what they see working. To put effort into how you look in order to attract, and have good level of emotional matur…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 07:34 PM
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Studies show people tend to pair up assortatively across income and education level. If this is not evident to you, or you have never seen this, then your income bracket is too low to experience this. I make 130k and my fiance makes 180k. Our entire LTR and married friend group, who either work in healthcare or tech, have partners of similar socioeconomic and educational backgrounds. That is just natural, as you are most exposed to people in your social proximity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:32 PM
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Yeah redemption is always a path for most people, even outside of whatever alt-right stuff. As long as it’s not too extreme. We had a guy here take pics of the women he slept with in the third world, with nazi symbols he put on them because they were too uneducated to know what it was. And he would post them to PPD spaces cause he thought it was funny. He also used to abuse animals, and would message women on social media telling them he hoped they relived their rape trauma. Even if he regretted…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:12 PM
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You are taking different groups of women and lumping them all together as “women.” Why are you doing that? Someone who values sexual discretion will not be sleeping with players. The women who don’t give a shit about that will be sleeping with players. Women knowingly dating deadbeat dads are not the ones who think deadbeat dads are the scum of the earth. They are not “rewarding” him with sex either for being a deadbeat dad; what a retarded idea. Sex is not a reward for anything. If it’s just a …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:08 PM
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This is not true. In RP theory, negging is meant to throw a woman off balance, but you’re not supposed to use it with just any woman. It’s supposed to be used for “bitchy” highly attractive women (for lack of a better term). Higher dominance women who shit test the man. It’s not just flirty banter where no one gets hurt. It’s designed to break through a bitch shield and make her want your attention, to put her in your frame. It actually is supposed to knock her off a proverbial pedestal so that …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:26 PM
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Your social disposition. Traits like boisterous vs. reserved, adventurous vs. cautious, awkward vs. charismatic, expressive vs. monotone, bright vs. broody, etc. I think there are some parts of personality that are innate, but it can also change with time, experience, or after major life events.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:04 PM
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You did not explain what I asked you to explain. Why and how would women have the power to make men collect resources for us? Why the fuck would we concoct some scheme to make men subjugate us, all so we could get resources and we are not even the owning class? If we had the power to do all that, we would have just made ourselves the owning class and not subjugated. Men like getting resources all on their own because it gives him status and power over his peers. It was true then and it’s true no…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 04:14 AM
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Lmao - You are in your prime for dating in your mid 20s. You just stopped being disgusting to date; it was not your age number that made the difference. By “older” people usually mean into your 40s and 50s where the average man that age does not have opportunities to date young women. The young ones overwhelmingly prefer to date in their age group, the good ones in their late 20s to 30s are likely married or otherwise taken. So what those men are left with is older women and sugar babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:48 AM
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Explain this: Unless you are insinuating women had the physical power and desire to make men the owning class rather than ourselves, which would be a completely and utterly retarded idea. You understand that the start of permanent civilizations resulted in more conflict over resources, which was fought over by MEN as they are the stronger sex, and more resources = more power. No one has to coerce men into going after resources because they fight for it themselves to gain power and/or status over…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:40 AM
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Women cannot be at home running the domestic sphere unless men put them there. Because prior to discriminatory agrarian societies, nomadic hunter-gatherers were comparatively more egalitarian. And women also raised those sons. After permanent civilization came around, it was MEN who decided they wanted to hoard resources (animals, grain, property) from each other, and restrict women from owning. So, men really did it to themselves. Unless you are insinuating women had the physical power and desi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:27 AM
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Y’know, if Mormons cult members can break their social conditioning, you’d think men would be able to as well. Considering they claim themselves to be logical and more emotionally mature sex. Who created the system where mothers stay at home? Men did. Men have had since the Neolithic Revolution, when they put that system into place, to change their minds. But they haven’t. So clearly, men like the system exactly as is, and have for thousands of years lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:18 AM
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For all the logical sex men claim to be, they can’t break out of this chokehold? Big dawg, that’s what therapy is for. So he can make his own big boy choices. Also, conservative fathers, so like half the country, also tell their sons it’s his role to be a provider and to man up for his future family, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:03 AM
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The default should be non-predatory, non-self serving, that’s what this commenter is expressing. The fact that men view “Hey, gimme some pics uwu” in response as the default, and don’t see what’s wrong with that is scary for most women. FYI, “I’m really sorry to hear that you’re lonely, I hope you have a good support system and group of friends to ease the burden” is what a non-predatory response would be. But men do not offer this because they want easy sex, that is just men being men tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:56 PM
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It is not “by society” lol, it’s strictly a family matter, between 2 people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:20 PM
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Rewarding cheating men when their infidelity during deployment results in a divorce is not a societal benefit. It has nothing to do with their integration back into civilian life, nor is it a good/service provided by the government given back to them in exchange for their military service. Getting extra in a divorce split is not being treated better “by society” lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:49 PM
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They already are. They get educational benefits, healthcare benefits, military discounts, numerous holidays celebrating servicemen and women, veteran status is part of DEI. Divorce has nothing to do with their service.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:59 PM
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You are not addressing anything. In 2026 no woman is pressured to be straight. Nobody is clutching their pearls at young women doing gay shit with other women. Women do not have a reason to hide being queer, and socially it is way more acceptable for women to be queer than men. Women who identify as strictly straight do so because they know they’re only attracted to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:10 PM
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You are not even explaining what LARPing attraction even is, you are just complaining that female sexuality does not operate how you want it to operate, using words that already have established meanings to describe whatever crack pipe hallucination this is. Why should anyone take this post seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:58 PM
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Finding only a selective # of men compatible does not mean you’re not straight. Your sarcastic and off-topic replies to other comments is letting me know you’re not here to engage faithfully with your own debate post, and you’re just using it as a place to air your grievances about the SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:50 PM
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Nobody who was socialized normally thinks about sexual orientation in terms of signaling quality points for desire. Not a single soul on God’s green earth. They think about sexual orientation in terms of “what am I attracted to, what turns me on?” If you are male and like other males, or if you are female and like other females, gay. If you strictly enjoy the opposite sex, straight. So on and so forth for bisexuals and pansexuals. My condolences for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 07:24 PM
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Deployed men are also cheaters tho, higher rates of cheating than civilian men. So they’re going to be rewarded for their own infidelity? Lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:48 PM
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The whole premise of this post is retarded because that man at a party is not helping a lonely woman either. He’s hitting on a woman he finds attractive albeit her being shy. He knows nothing of her sexual inexperience or is trying to hep her overcome that. In the online scenario you opened with, the woman is expressing loneliness and inexperience, only to have men predate her. So you are rapidly switching from one scenario to the other and claiming they are the same, in order to not make this p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:46 PM
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I feel like the obvious answer here is no draft at all, and admit you lost the war if all your soldiers get killed in those mountains. Also veterans have benefits already including education and healthcare, which has already been explained by another commenter. Protection against paternity fraud already exists; you can literally DNA test your own kid and then contest paternity in court for some period. Here in Texas you have 4 years from the child’s birth to contest paternity. If you are not mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 06:43 PM
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General interest in him as a person first, wanting to spend more time talking to him, and then anything sexual comes later. Although after talking for a couple days, it can go to sexual flirting relatively quickly. It’s all about how we vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 04:54 PM
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I don’t believe men talking about “patriarchy” lmao, and no one is forcing women to put out early. Even people who are not interested in relationships are having sex, unless they are asexual and thus not interested in sex at all. It is completely weird, definitionally abnormal, to be a virgin at 30 regardless of gender. Idk what to tell you, sorry that cultural norms exist?? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 04:34 PM
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It’s not a type of help. He’s trying to get his dick wet lmao, not guide her. There is no reality in which random stranger men are doing this, especially at a party. That’s a fundamental misunderstanding of men, and coming from a man, it’s a lie. I DO know men who have done this for women, helped them feel comfortable in their sexuality. But they were also BDSM dominants who made sure she felt comfortable with him non-sexually first. And he did NOT approach her with “So, pics?” That’s complete a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 04:08 PM
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Nobody is a virgin in western culture for that long unless they’re undesirable to too picky. Even if she is religious, those communities marry off early. It’s exceptionally out of the norm to be a virgin at 30, it’s seen as weird for the vast majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 04:05 PM
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I lost my virginity at 24 and my bf then thought it odd that I hadn’t had sex before then. I also could tell he was having “bad” sex because I didn’t know how to do anything lol. If a woman is a virgin at 30 and unmarried, this should tell you that she is either unattractive to men, is not fit for a long-term relationship with men, or that she’s too picky which resulted in her rejecting any men she met from religious backgrounds where virginity until marriage is the norm. Resulting in her being …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:07 PM
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“So pic?” is not trying to help her. It’s trying to take advantage of a situation so that he can serve himself. The fact that you asked this question and equated predation on women to helping them is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:01 PM
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Being friendzoned is a not a consequence of being a simp. If a man is not removing himself from a situation where he gets his feelings hurt that she did not choose him, yet he’s still sending her gifts, whose fault is that? Why is he still giving her attention and gifts after she did not choose him? For that matter, men get cheated on isn’t a consequence of simping either, as it happens outside the simping context as well. You also need to define what simping is before anyone can take this post …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 08:00 PM
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Equality in legal personhood has nothing to do with dating preferences. If you like feminine women, are you also feminine? Glad to see we are both on the same page of you being wrong. Self reflection is an important trait to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:05 PM
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You don’t have to be funny to have that preference. If a dude prefers DD sized titties, does he also need to have DD titties? If he prefers submissive women, does he also need to be submissive to her? The only thing that matters is whether the man she is interested in also wants a funny woman, and whether he finds her funny. And so many of them claim not to want that anyway. There’s nothing wrong with wanting a funny woman if that’s what you want. But you also do not need to be funny to want a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:55 PM
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Colloquially, your personality upon meeting is not your intellectual compatibility or moral / value-based compatibility. People use personality to describe your social behavioral traits, like whether you are boisterous vs. reserved, awkward vs. charismatic, blunt vs. verbose, expressive vs. monotone, adventurous vs. cautionary, so on and so forth. These are actually just different facets of personality. So your personality matters when you meet, and also as you get to know each other for deeper …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:28 PM
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Lol, this is what happens when you know you are wrong and have nothing else to say. The bottom line is this: nothing you mentioned in your OP precludes women (or men) who don’t want long-term relationships or marriage from debating human sexual dynamics. People who want flings are still experiencing mechanisms of attraction and sexual dynamics. People who once dated or once married, but no longer want to date, have still experienced dating and sexual dynamics. They are here to debate for or agai…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 03:18 PM
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You asked me now what, and I am reiterating that you are wrong based on what this subreddit is definitionally for, which you could have found yourself on the sidebar/rules/wiki. Lollll.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 03:00 PM
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Now you’re still wrong, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:44 PM
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It’s both! It’s a debate subreddit to discuss The Red Pill, which supposes innate behavioral and psychological sex differences that tie into mating behavior and resulting sexual strategy; vs. The Blue Pill, which is basically ‘I don’t believe in the Red Pill’. Either way, the OP is wrong about what this sub is for lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:05 PM
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If the opposite sex wanting or liking you was a prerequisite to being on this subreddit, then 25-30% of the men participating here would be gone, seeing as they self-identify as incels. Hahaha. This is a gender and dating debate subreddit that mainly discusses red pill vs. blue pill validity and dating strategy. Meaning, people who have experience with dating are really the only qualified people to be here, regardless of whether they currently do or don’t want a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:56 PM
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It is my opinion that they drift apart a little bit, not stop being friends. And that’s because there are new boundaries put up that limits or changes what they do with each other. That’s my experience with seeing opposite sex best friendships in real life, your mileage may vary. You’re like not even reading or understanding half of what I’m typing out. Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:48 PM
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No, because even figures are debatable. The population chosen from, the methodology, even the logical premises that led to choosing such a number (over 80% of women!). The OP’s entire argument is “A number greater than 1 woman are resource parasites.” That’s what ‘some women’ is. He could have chosen to give me stats on the % of marriages that are male sole or majority breadwinner, and tied that to his reasoning for female parasitism (though the % is nowhere near as high as he says). Or he could…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:41 PM
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Most women are dating in their age cohort, the literal average age gap is 2.5 years lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:31 PM
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Idk how your friendships are, but once I’ve stopped seeing someone in person as frequently, that friendship does drift apart a little bit. We don’t stop being friends, but I cannot invest as much effort into that friendship because I’m also prioritizing people I do see in person. Also I think new boundaries changes the friendship in a way that forces some distance when you choose not to do emotionally intimate activities that you used to do. So then don’t use words like “I don’t see how that pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:21 PM
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Make a better debate post — the onus is on you, as the poster, to make something of quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 06:15 AM
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Right so like I said this post is not debatable, built on a random percentage and “trust me bro.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 06:09 AM
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“Fair” has nothing to do with it. He’s responsible for setting his standards and trying to find them. If he can, good for him. If he can’t, it’s not like the world didn’t give him what was “fair.” This post is not debatable. You’re basically saying, “A man can want a virgin if he likes.” Lukewarm and unimaginative take.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 06:05 AM
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Great, now sources for that figure? Or how you arrived to such a number? So we can actually get to debating something. Otherwise I can just claim you are wrong and we’ll go back and forth like that all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:53 AM
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This post is not debatable. “Many women” is too vague of a quantifier. Of course there are some shallow women who want resources. I don’t know what “many” means. Most? Half? 1 out of 5? You might as well make a debate post that says many men wish raping women wasn’t illegal, and are a stain upon God’s green Earth. Equally useless of a debate post.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:47 AM
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Nowhere did I say you had to do sleepovers. I was just listing common things people do with their best friends, including trips, weekends away, and sleepovers. Yeah the texting is fine, but that just ties into what I said that the relationship will likely change a little bit. I’m not trying to prove anything to you and idk how or why you ever got that impression. You literally asked those of us flaired red pill for our subjective opinions, i.e. “What do you think?” and I shared mine. My close pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:32 AM
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Networking irl in groups of female friends allows women to actually experience the dynamic parts that fuel attraction. Apps are bloated with a majority of men, bots, OF girls and wannabe influencers. In addition to that, apps are horrible environments to actually “meet” — where if you don’t move to a first date fast enough, she’ll keep you in the talking phase and get bored and ghost you. If you have a good network of friends, it’s easier to find better quality and compatibility. Especially if y…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:02 AM
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This is the way to do it. Works better than apps imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:49 AM
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Regardless of pill, what I have noticed is that most people who have an opposite sex best friend tend to drift apart a little bit once partnered. Like, it’s just a natural development even without input from the partner. Most people understand that trips, weekends away, sleepovers etc. with their opposite sex best friend is not really appropriate anymore once partnered. So, yes it can work but things will not be the same. Most people will put up new boundaries between them and their friend anywa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:47 AM
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What’s crazy is that this is how I know the OP has never read any of the actual red pill material. TRP and RPW make the claim that one of the benefits of taking the red pill is that it simplifies attraction and mate selection into generalizations that, theoretically, should make it easier to learn how to act and present yourself to the opposite sex. Nutso when people come to this sub and don’t know what they’re talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:35 AM
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I would believe that if it weren’t for the large # of young men coming to PPD saying the juice is not worth the squeeze and talking about female nature while never having attempted to date in their life. It just didn’t fall into their lap in high school so they gave up before starting. Yeh I’m literally flaired red pill, red pill is cool from OG red pillers who actually did shit. Dating, making theory posts, field reports. Now young men just ride off that shit and don’t actually do anything for …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:26 AM
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So at this point you are just agreeing with me, that some significant portion of men are absorbing manosphere dating content from online, not actually getting it from dating themselves. Basically you are just defeating your own debate post, good job. Like every week here, multiple times a week, young men use Tik Tok / IG reels as a reference. Older men, millennials and Gen X, are more likely to have observed the things they believe. They actually went out and did stuff. Also I thought it was cle…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 04:05 AM
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Lace crochet a table runner. Also have plans to build a standing herb garden to keep out on my patio.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 03:53 AM
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Brother, we literally have young men come to the PPD Discord, tell us they don’t participate in dating themselves, and parrot off black pill brain rot. There’s a reason I specified a particular group, and this behavior is likely to come from younger men, esp bc Gen Z is more isolated overall. We have young men saying they don’t want to flirt with girls at the bar or club because it sucks, and then in the next sentence say they have never been to a club, and do not leave their university dorm roo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 03:33 AM
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Hypergamy in the red pill has nothing to do with money.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 03:05 AM
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I actually think you are wrong about how (young) men encounter this in real life. Increasingly we see that young men actually do not try dating in the adult world — they are, for whatever reason, stunted in their teens / young adult life, and come across red and black pill content online, and resonate with it without ever experiencing dating first hand. Even the red pill subreddit has to tell young men that at some point, theory does not help them. Wallowing in content about male and female sexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 03:01 AM
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Subjective opinion, ain’t it? Expecting a man to adhere to his gender roles in marriage while the woman not adhere to hers is a double standard and wacko.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:44 AM
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Ya engagement rings are most popular in western countries, but they're also common in the country I'm from bc of colonial influence. It's basically a man's physical symbol of commitment and intent to marry. My Palestinian friend got proposed to with a whole bag of gold jewelry lol. But as I understand, giving gold to the bride is also part of their proposal and marriage culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 08:05 PM
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Tbh you probably will not get a lot of (or any) women here admitting they wanted an engagement ring and to be proposed to, but also did not want to take her husband's last name. Just like you will not get a lot of men admitting they wanted a woman to take his last name while also not wanting to be the one to buy her a ring and propose. Understandably, it will make them look bad. Imo it's crazy to admit that you want a man to get on one knee and present you with a $1k-10k (or even more) ring, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 07:30 PM
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To each their own. But I don't think it's blind either, changing the name means something to them — often a great deal — even if they don't think too hard on whether they should question that practice or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 05:14 PM
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The last name is part of the unification, so no it's not a gift to them. It's just something that I grew up with as normal, something that happens when people get married. Even here in the southern U.S., women do not think that hard about changing their last name. They just do it, it's a part of getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 05:06 PM
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Men who flirt with women are not demonized. PUAs are demonized because they often engage in behavior that harms the women they are flirting with, i.e. negging, being dishonest about their intentions, etc. Makeup and skimpy clothing does not harm the men who look at those women. Hope this helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 05:02 PM
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My religion doesn't, but my religion is also men-led and it's standard for women to take her husband's surname. The shared family name is symbolic of unification. My fiance would and does give me the whole world; the least I can do is take his last name.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:55 PM
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Like tends to attract like. You will often find that high dominance men and high dominance women pair up together, as she won't wilt and cry at his authoritativeness, and he won't get irritated by her being too meek and soft spoken. On the other hand, less dominant men and meek, soft spoken women often pair up together. She needs someone more nurturing rather than authoritative, and he won't be bullied by a more authoritative woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:50 PM
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For me it's that a name cannot (or should not) be a bigger deal than entering in a marriage with someone, committing to them presumably for life, building a shared life, having kids with them, etc. The changing of the name seems so small in comparison, even when I have professional life tied to my maiden name. But, I also think some of this has to do with it being a religious thing for me, what marriage is spiritually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:43 PM
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I will take my husband's last name. Culturally and religiously it's a unification as a family unit, though in many other cultures women retain their own last or "family" name, but their kids get the dad's last name. I also think, logistically, it is easier for me, my husband, and our kids to share one family name, i.e. "The Riveras", "The Joneses", etc. People (mostly women) are going to think I'm nutso for this, but I really do think that if you are from a culture where taking your husband's la…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:24 PM
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Because shortness, especially being shorter than the woman in question, is a point against attractiveness for lots of women, and also tends to be an insecurity / sore spot for quite a few short men. So they're hitting in a place that hurts. Bro you're asking questions with obvious answers, it's like asking why men make fun of fat women. It's cause fat women have a point against them for attractiveness and men also know lots of fat women are insecure about being fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:00 PM
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... Why would she have made fun of him for being short if he's not short? Does that make sense to you? She would have made fun of something else - his physique, his voice, the way he was dressed, his face. Because the objective is to be mean in order to get him to leave her alone. Because the guy was short, that was the easiest target to use, which is... as I said... people are mean about short guys because it is an easily targetable trait....
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:52 PM
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Easy target basically. Especially if the guy is being an asshole already. Was at a club once and this guy wouldn't leave my friend alone, kept trying to grab her hips and dance despite her stepping away from him and saying she was just there with friends. After a few instance of him trying, she told him he was way too confident for a guy who was 5'7" lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:35 PM
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I’ve found older men (50ish years old) attractive or good looking when I was younger and in college. But I was not attracted to them or really even want them because they were in good shape or good looking for their age. That man being old in and of itself is mostly a turn off. It’s more like a passing “he’s handsome!” sort of feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:04 PM
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The culture I’m from no longer practices arranged marriage and hasn’t for a few generations now. What I can say is that the practice of mothers being heavily involved in approval of her son’s partner is still a norm despite the match not being arranged per se. And speaking on my own observations, this often results in the stereotype of the Eastern MIL who is overbearing, and the man catering to his mother’s wants/needs over his wife. Your experience may be different, of course.
/r/RedPillWomen17/04/26 01:50 PM
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It is completely related. It’s tone policing the tone and verbiage of an objective description that men do not like because the connotation is bad, that men have a higher propensity for violence than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 09:46 PM
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This is absolutely not exclusive to women. If it were, we would not be seeing a bunch of men going "not all men" after women say men perpetrate the vast majority of violent crime, and that gendered violence is disproportionate between sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:52 PM
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Yeah I can agree with that — tho in the red pill theory, hypergamy is something different from what the sociology definition is. It's not about money so much as it is some holistic consideration of "women only feel attracted to the best option." Either way, you're right, even that statement has a negative connotation that women are picky, especially compared to men. But personally I just take it for what it is. Women ARE picky, and that's a necessity based on risk aversion, STDs, risk of pregnan…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:51 PM
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The actual red pill theory says the female sexual strategies are amoral too! Wanting to secure investment before sex, looking for commitment, even hypergamy — looking for the best man, wanting to secure a best man — are all amoral. You wouldn’t fault carnivores for killing other animals for food would you? Male and female nature are described that way in TRP, things that just “are” and should be accepted without assigning good/bad labels to them. It’s just that most red pill flaired guys here on…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:11 PM
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Lmaooooo he’s leading women into poverty 🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 04:16 AM
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Being friendly and approachable is not the same as being polite, and idk why men on this sub conflate the two. Being polite is social nicety, a firm no without being mean. It means you are expected to say no without ridiculing him. It does NOT mean you have to be “friendly” or “approachable.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 04:08 AM
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When I was 20 and in college, I was on the bus and some rando grown ass man started masturbating while looking at me. What’s crazy is that the last time I told that story on PPD, the guy I was talking to responded by telling me he wished women masturbated at him. Lol. It’s been my experience that the type of men who say “not all men” do not want to empathize with how frequently or intensely women are sexually predated by men, which leads to women acting in self-preservation — by being standoffis…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 09:20 PM
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You have to understand feminist philosophy to argue against the OP, which is what this subreddit is designed for. I am explaining to him that his chosen scenarios are not comparable. Answering "Men disproportionately commit violent crime" with "not all men" does not make sense. It's like answering "Southern American food tends to be high in sugar and fat" with "McDonald's has salad on the menu." It's not a real rebuttal to the point being made. Men can and should respond with, "Men commit more v…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:41 PM
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I am not justifying it, I am telling the OP why "not all men" is not a real answer to "men disproportionately commit violent crime." It's like me saying, "American food from the south tends to be be higher in sugar and fat" and then you answering back, "McDonald's has salad on the menu." Like it doesn't actually address the point being made. It's a side tangent that deflects from the core. I'm literally flaired red pill and I argue that women are hypergamous and generally seek the a number of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:30 PM
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I am not a feminist. I am, however, arguing against the OP which is what this subreddit is for. I’m flaired the Red Pill Woman color; idk why people assume I am a feminist. To answer your question, when gendered violence is disproportionate, this should tell you something about which groups are vulnerable to harm and from whom. The reasons over why this disparity exists is not important so much as the safety services created as a response. Such as Lyft allowing women to opt into women-only drive…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:01 PM
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Your thread was not approved because you flaired it incorrectly. This was told to you, that it should be resubmitted with the correct flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 05:45 PM
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No, I am explaining to you that no one thinks it’s all men. We know the majority of men do not commit violent crime. The point is that gendered violence is disproportionate between sexes. Therefore saying “not all men” is not something that addresses the point. Nobody is saying all men are like that. Meanwhile, with men saying “AWALT, all women want chad and feel disgust for short men”, it IS an appropriate response to say “Women aren’t a monolith.” The point being made by those men is that ALL …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:38 PM
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I’m explaining why “not all men” is seen as dismissive and not understanding the point, and you literally walked into it head first not understanding the point after it was explained to you. Like, this exact conversation is why “not all men” is seen as lacking validity. Congratulations!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:28 PM
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Yeah see? You’re missing the point. You’re deflecting. It’s that gendered violence is not proportional comparative men to women, and women to men. You immediately went “but men kill other men too” lol. Thus, this discussion is useless to have with you. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:25 PM
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The discussion is not about the actual % of men who are violent, it's that one demographic is disproportionately affected by the other. Men murdering women, men sexually assaulting women, men being rapists toward women is all higher than women doing the same to men. So no, violent criminality among men is not universal, but what it does mean is that men as a demographic are more of a danger to women than women are to men. Which, duh, men are taller, stronger, have more muscle, have more aggressi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:13 PM
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Maternal instinct only goes toward YOUR child. No woman feels an innate protective and nurturing drive toward some random kid. I might be like, "That's a cute baby!" but there's no drive for me to treat that baby as if it's my own. The maternal instinct is often cultivated over time as well, through care during gestation and infancy that creates bonding. It's a bond you share with YOUR child. I am not talking about parents loving adult children, I was talking about parents loving their ugly babi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 02:28 PM
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Mothers and fathers love their children even when the kid is some uggo baby, not a picture perfect Gerber baby. Maternal instinct is in the name. MATERNAL, meaning motherly. Why would women feel maternal instinct over some random 40 yo man that they have never interacted with in their life, nor adopted, nor gestated and birthed? For that matter, men would not feel paternal instinct over that random 40 yo man either. There's nothing maternal or paternal about that relationship. LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 02:07 PM
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I only know what dating is like between 2 places, and it’s the metropolitan Philippines and Texas. There are people on this sub who live in NY and Seattle and they can tell you wha dating in their area is like. Suburban Texas is skewed toward chivalry and “gentlemanly” behavior, it’s slower paced, and less people rely on apps (outside of large cities). Women here are more open to and sensitive to gendered norms like men offering to pay, opening the car door, etc. At the same time, the actual fir…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 01:06 PM
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If you don’t feel the desire to actively participate in social interactions, that is no one’s “fault” but your own. It means you need to get creative in how you meet people, something that mitigates how much small talk you are doing in large group environments. At the same time, if small talk is hard for you, you will not enjoy dating since the initial talking stage before a first date is basically one on one small talk. If you can’t do it, since it’s a capability issue, dating is not for you. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 12:31 PM
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I did not say anything like that. I said understand your local culture, which cannot be put into words because it is individual to you based on your country, region, city, whether you are rural or metropolitan, whether you date in a religious demographic, etc. The dating culture and expectations where I am, middle class suburban Texas, is completely different from someone who lives in New York, or Los Angeles, or Seattle, in a different income bracket or whatever. If you (general) don't interact…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:02 PM
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I can assure you that most men do not want to be returned to a form of formal courtship. They're even complaining about having to plan a simple date. Complaining about having to show intention prior to sex. If you want to understand the "rules" of dating, you need to understand your local dating culture and be socially adept. It doesn't give you a foolproof step-by-step guide, but it should give you enough. To be honest, no social interaction has clear rules, even between family and friends. Som…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:36 PM
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Right, so, I am confused because why would Blue Pillers / non-RP want to create an influencer like this? It doesn't makes sense because most people already think manosphere content is cringe and dumb, so what purpose or goal does a Blue PIll-made influencer serve if everyone thinks the real RP influencers are making themselves look bad already?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:16 PM
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I mean, being on your guard and not trusting someone (i.e. a stranger, someone who flags you down on the street, a person who love bombs you, etc.) is a basic part of safety and self preservation, both physical and emotional. To be honest, it's normal to be a bit defensive or anxious about someone wanting your trust so quickly. A few posts below this one, there's a guy saying he invites women to his place as a FIRST DATE for wine/alcohol lol. If that's the kind of trust stranger men want from wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:04 PM
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What is the question here? I don't quite understand. Pointing out that Tate, Gains, and Clav are problematic doesn't actually deter men seeking red pill advice. If anything they'll see them as an unfortunate attachment to red pill, or hypocritical in their beliefs, but doesn't actually change the perceived truth of the RP advice being spouted. Consider: if I tell you kicking puppies is wrong, is the statement wrong even if I myself am kicking puppies? Of course not, it just makes me look like an…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:49 PM
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Spouses know much, much more about each other than the homies or girl friends do. And that’s a necessity because you live together, you see each other’s finances, you see how each other live, you are making all your big life decisions together. When one of your parents dies, when one of you loses a job, when shit gets hard, your spouse sees the most intimate and vulnerable parts of you. They’re the first to see you hit the bottle, they’re the first to see you struggle, they’re the first to see a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:22 PM
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All of what I said is factual, both women and men show physical interest prior to actual penetrative sex, and if you (general) think they don’t, that says something about their lack of experience in dating and with the opposite sex. Everything you’ve said here is completely irrelevant to my argument that men get perceived as sex obsessed because they’re the ones who make arguments that they want it early and fast, with very little care for the woman’s comfort level regarding when she wants to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:15 PM
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Women are not expecting commitment for making out, what lunacy is that? The entire trope is that she starts making out with him and then has to stop herself before things progress to sex. If the woman is not showing interest in you prior to sex, that should tell you something. Women (and men) show physical interest prior to sex even if they both don’t want to cross the sexual boundary yet. Furthermore, for all the whining that men here do about “modern” women being sluts and whores, why do they …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:12 PM
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Do you, like, live in an alien world where there are no indicators of attraction (kissing, touching) without sex? That’s honestly pure admission that you have no experience with women and assessing signs that women are into you. In which case, RIP brother, not even the CIA could waterboard that info out of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:42 PM
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Enthusiastic sex does not mean women have to do it early. By your logic, married/LTR sex is somehow not enthusiastic? Lol. I have early sex in a relationship, but I understand why most women don’t. It’s a greater physical risk for us than it is for men, and women get shamed for increasing our body count. Men are not. It only makes sense that most women would feel comfortable with sex only in a a situation where the guy is committed to being in a relationship with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:24 PM
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Technically don't men become interested in sex earlier on average than women? Based on average age of beginning to show sexual behaviors. I have not looked at child development stats in a while tho, so that could be wrong now. In my experience, men are very horny through their late teens to mid-late 20s and eventually begins to taper off to something more steady as they go further into adulthood. But I'm also not a man, so obviously this is just my perspective as a woman who's dated men. Also, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:59 PM
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Do you date? Be honest. Nobody just asks someone on a date and they say yes. What happens is that there is some period of talking, ranging from a couple/few days to a couple weeks, in which you both assess whether you even want to go on a first date. Most women do not even agree to a first date if she’s not interested in the guy in some capacity. Women are not pretending to be all over a man for the price of a $8 latte or cocktail lol. Idk what women you are seeing but American woman are so read…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:32 PM
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Men paying for dates has nothing to do with "excessive attention and affection" if the interest has already been reciprocated. In which case it's just a man wanting to do something nice for a woman he's interested in. Because I often pay for my friends' meals and cover their tab when we go out, does that mean I'm simping for my friends? Of course not, it means I appreciate their time and I don't mind covering the bill lol. How much of a Scrooge does one have to be to think that paying for someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:22 PM
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This is worded like simps are running the dating scene lol which is not the case. Also, a simp is not really that a man has no standards aside from looks, it's that he shows excessive attention, usually in the form of gifts and money, in hopes that the woman chooses him. Men being chivalrous, men paying for dates, has nothing to do with simping. Here you're revealing that you think any kind of man paying for dates is a simp. Wanting men to pay for a date, or at least offer to pay for the date, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:11 PM
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You can apply this to any middle class guy who will pay >$20 for a date because he is actually interested in seeing the woman he's dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:55 PM
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Tons and tons and TONS of men admit that they would gladly pay for and put effort into a date if it was a woman he really, really liked. So that can be turned around as well. If I say no to a man offering me wine at his place as a first date, does that mean I didn’t like him? Or does it mean my dad and mom raised me better than to enter a stranger man’s house on a first date where he can isolate me away from public eyes, get me drunk, and/or do worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:13 PM
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Ya I agree, but I explained in another comment further down that these guys who want to do it all make it harder for “regular” guys to suggest “walk in the park” and “wine at my house” as a first date. So there’s some external pressure even from other men to spend at least a bit of money on dates, even if he’s not spending $300. For a lot of young men, “expensive” can even be $50-60 if they’re working something entry level or don’t really have a career.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:07 PM
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I’ve said this elsewhere on this sub, but a man who is trying to nickel-and-dime me on a first date is not someone I would be dating anyway. Also (most) men are so adamant that they would be putting in the effort if the woman he’s seeing is someone he really wants to be with, so what would make me want to accept “wine at his place”? Not to mention that a FIRST DATE at a man’s house/apartment is so crazy dangerous, even Satan himself could possess me and he couldn’t make me agree to that lol 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:59 PM
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The light red is coded “Red Pill Woman.” I have custom text flair because I’m a mod of this subreddit, and incel/black pill rhetoric is not allowed here. Do you not read the rules / flair explanations before participating?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:46 PM
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No, they’re not the ones complaining, but they do also make it harder in some way for “regular” guys to suggest a walk in the park as a date. Like, to be completely honest, I would not accept “a walk in the park” as a date either. As part of the date activities, then that’s fine (depending where/which park), but just a walk is so… low effort to me. We couldn’t even throw in a “I heard this cafe has great matcha and donuts, and it’s next to a park with a botanical garden that we can check out.”? …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:44 PM
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I mean, hello??? I’m flaired red pill woman, what do you think lol. I am here frequently on this sub arguing that changing the way you dress / coming to a compromise on clothing once no longer single is not that big of a deal. Weird take from you when you can see flairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:32 PM
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There’s a difference between guys spending 300 dollars on dates that he really cannot afford to spend, and then guys who spend 300 dollars on dates because he just enjoys luxury and would be spending it anyway / going to a nice place anyway. One of my dad’s friends is like that, he just enjoys going to nice places and sometimes brings women because he wants to go somewhere nice and doesn’t want to fight her on “that place is too expensive for me” since most women are at least prepared to split a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:31 PM
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This will never be possible. Men don’t even contribute equally in the home, without kids. And that’s fine, I have never expected a man to behave “equally” that way. It also means I want chivalry and traditional gender norms. Also not all woman are feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:22 PM
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The only men who are homoromantic are black pillers who worship Chad, and the only validation that matters comes from other men, aka Clavicular types. The rest of men enjoy doing romantic things and having a close emotional bond with their girlfriends and wives. In fact, I would say most men have their closest bond with their wife, and that is a natural development based on shared life. And the same is true for women and their husbands. Women find men physically attractive. Straight women do not…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:10 PM
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Yes, I have organically met all my partners. I have literally never been on a dating app in my life. You can be plain and be in spaces where you can meet other people and expand your social circles to continuously meet others. I know guys who pulled because a mutual friend invited them to a Renaissance festival or whatever and there he met his gf. Normal woman are pairing up assortatively across both attractiveness and socioeconomic level, and the statistics prove that. So no, you’re wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:39 AM
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Almost my entire friend group that is described here, including the men, are long term partnered or married. My fiance and I are among the last. Only looking online is a massive crutch; even most of the people I know met their spouses in person. Especially in a big city, I find it crazy that a person like this doesn’t organically meet others, unless they are extremely introverted. I did not say having a normal life guarantees finding a woman. I asked the OP where he lives where the “normal guy”,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:26 AM
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Where do you guys live where normal men struggle? Almost all of my young adult and adult life, I’ve only ever existed in a circle where “normal” meant middle class or UMC, most of us went to college, those who didn’t were still able to build a career, dated while young, and both men and women got married in their mid 20s to early 30s. Just like… regular people who did normal life things, work 9-5s, grab a drink on a Friday or Saturday with friends, rinse and repeat. Why do you create this realit…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:54 AM
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Seeking advice from someone is not choosing them over another person. Typically when women say their husbands are "choosing his mother," it's because he's prioritizing his mother's emotional (and sometimes physical) needs over his immediate family, i.e. his wife and/or children. Advice depends on the subject matter for me. My husband for most things, my dad for some things.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:21 AM
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I dodge men who are heavily into western perceptions of Japanese culture, that’s how I get around the hentai thing. I don’t date men who are the sorta cringey anime fan type. I’m partially Japanese and this has always rubbed me the wrong way. You know, the kind of guy who’s got anime stuff on his walls and hypes up anything remotely Japanese, especially over western cuisine/travel/stuff in general. And no, I don’t expect to be serviced when sick. I also like sick sex tho, so if he’s open to havi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 11:04 PM
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Lots of words and not a single shred of proof. Link the ones about hobbies because I can guarantee you that my enjoyment of crocheting and houseplants will not be saving any relationships. Additionally what makes people “interesting” is how they communicate. Extroversion. Relating to others. A man can literally build rockets in his free time and if he’s not able to communicate it in an interesting way, he’ll be perceived as boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 10:13 PM
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Most people are not booking resorts to travel, that’s crazy. A man’s hobbies do nothing in terms of relationship longevity. Aside from quality time, you need shared values and ethics. Shared life and family goals. His personal hobbies or lack thereof to not actually contribute to how a relationship functions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 09:59 PM
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All the hobbies you have mentioned require you to grow and expand your horizons, whether knowledge wise, social skills wise or actual skill wise. And for whatever reason you think this does not apply to traveling? Most people who are traveling are not staying luxury all inclusive resorts. They're doing budget friendly stays and learning about local culture, the people, and the historical context behind iconic landmarks, art, and architecture. Additionally, the hobbies are not what makes people w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 09:19 PM
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Not a single person just doomscrolls for fun. Like, literally, not a single person does only that. My fiance's interests do not require him to fail at all, I am not even sure why that's a requirement lollll. Why do hobbies require any expertise at all? It is very easy to go camping, hiking (casually), or volunteer with your favorite charity or animal shelter. It's very easy to get into gardening, house plants, and reading. Anyone can journal, play video games, or collect something. Like, the way…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 08:43 PM
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Tbh I don’t give a shit about hobbies. I mean they’re nice “extras” to have in a person, but like… I don’t need my man to care about my hobbies. We need to be able to have fun together, and he should be charismatic enough to tell me about what he does and what his interests are even if he doesn’t really have “hobbies” in the way you’ve defined it. Also traveling is NOT something everyone does. It’s expensive (relatively), especially international travel. I have talked to so many people whose mai…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:56 PM
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Wow these are a lot of assumptions that have absolutely nothing to do with my opinion on porn!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:19 PM
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Men absolutely do that. Western men eat pussy with his fwbs lol. Maybe foreign guys don’t but their opinions don’t count. Aside from oral tho, the most “submissive intimate acts”, like kinks, are typically only done with husbands and LTR partners. Because men are crazy and you are have to really trust one to be doing wild shit with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 06:26 PM
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I’m a normal person about to marry another normal person. We are both mid looking, ain’t no shame in that. Mid and average looking people get into relationships all the time. Bro up above was talking about how the only successful men are the most physically attractive ones and that’s flat out not true. The uggos and mids pair up together all the time, but men on PPD do not pay attention to that because it doesn’t fit their narrative that average looking women are holding out for Chad. You’re all…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 06:25 PM
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I mean those people are horny and the guy gave her a ride home, so she’ll agree to sex, but maybe he’s too ugly to date. And that has been the case with a couple of my friends. She may enjoy having him as a fwb, but for one reason or another she doesn’t want to date him. It’s the same principle as men who fuck fat girls or dumpster dive for ugly women, but don’t want to introduce her to his friends or family. He may enjoy her company while they’re messing around, but doesn’t want more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:57 PM
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Why would I date a guy who’s embarrassing to be with, lol? It’s important to note that I’m not open sociosexual, I just have quite a few friends who are. I’m not fucking those guys or dating them, ew.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:23 PM
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Yeah mine are cause I’m not poor and marriage rates are just fine for whites and Asians who are educated and UMC lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:21 PM
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Can you explain your math? Also women having sex with multiple partners doesn’t mean they’re selecting Chads… if you’ve ever been friends with open sociosexual women, esp ones into partying and stuff, they’ll fuck a guy cause he’s there and she’s bored, but not want to date him long term cause he’s embarrassing to be with. Physically and otherwise lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:11 PM
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Being anti-porn has nothing to do with cohabitation. A person doesn’t even need porn to get off, man or woman. You can be anti-porn and pro-masturbation lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:03 PM
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This does not track with the fact that average looking men are getting married still, even before 30 years old. I am one of the last in my friend group to be engaged. All my other friends were married between 25-28. Just normal people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 03:50 PM
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Lmao this is crazy, young people are so weird about putting in effort into normal things. Y’all no longer put in a bit of effort to go out, even without the date? Especially at night?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 03:39 PM
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That’s the case because when I was young, boys in school would show it around for fun because m*n are retards. Whole generations of men are porn sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:22 PM
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You know exactly what I meant - I did not mean adult women who are naturally petite, I meant characters depicted as children, aka “loli/shota”. Your gotcha argument is retarded because hentai literally has a term for fetishizing children.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:20 PM
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It’s not normal for women to think watching porn is “cheating”. Typically the women prefer that men not watch porn have that preference because porn addiction and death grip is real. Also think there’s some difference between just watching a random vid to get off, and the guys who have a whole library and favorite models… that’s weird to me. Why is he that invested in watching porn, y’know? Hentai gets a bed rep because a lot of it depicts child sized bodies, and it also lets me know the guy (or…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:16 PM
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Tons of men read written porn and even write it as a hobby.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:01 PM
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This is what Hawaii is for 🤭
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 02:31 AM
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I will be on vacation starting Monday, so incels and black pillers will get a free pass (from me) for a little over a week🙏 Enjoy! 🤭
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:03 AM
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I feel like deep down everyone knows this is true, but, when asked, it’s impolite to be like, “Your niche tastes and requirements are not doing you any favors, and also the way you just are is not appealing.” 😭 I’ve never figured out a diplomatic way to phrase that when asked, which is why I just avoid giving people advice sometimes 😭😭
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 06:29 PM
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I have liked and obsessed over some men in my life that other women thought were questionable choices. Like fat men, facially asymmetric men, shorter than average men (like 5’5”), but I thought they were complete smokeshows and I was down bad for them lol. Simply looking at a man does nothing for me, which is also why I have never gotten on a dating app. I have to “experience” him, it’s the only way I’ve ever felt butterflies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 06:18 PM
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It means most men are neutral until he makes himself known to me. Even if he’s a good looking guy, I am not “attracted” to him (want to interact with him sexually/romantically etc.) until I start experiencing the dynamic parts that actually fuel my attraction: how he talks, how he moves, his smile, the way he smells, his laugh, how he flirts with me, and more.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 06:03 PM
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“Looks matter” is not what makes the black pill, and that’s not what gets removed. Everyone else believes that looks matter to some extent, pills or not. Idk what has happened in the last 10years, but the reason the black pill got its name was because it was defeatist and nihilistic. It was literally like, “My genetics prevent me from attaining my goals”; the whole thing was predicated on genetic determinism and looks nihilism, that no matter how hard you tried, your looks was the only determini…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 05:43 PM
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I mean you can make the argument that social skills are not important, and do it in a way that is not what is listed in the rule again black pill. And people do that, they make the argument that social skills can be compensated for by money, or that flirting is a nuanced skill that is a bit different from “social skills” in general. That you can be friendly and sociable, and still struggle in dating because the skills needed to make friends and the skills needed to get in women’s panties are dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 05:25 PM
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About their gfs, I would not care. If it were actual sexism, I don’t know if I would “expect” that man to do something about it. I mean frankly I don’t care, I believe in the red pill so I’m a sexist too ig.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 05:21 PM
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What falls under bannable incel / black pill rhetoric is defined in the subreddit rules. That’s the entire point, they’re not supposed to be debated at all, they’re supposed to be kept off the sub because black pill isn’t welcome here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 05:16 PM
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Absolutely not. Looks belong in the looks weekly thread, and black pillers + incel rhetoric will continue to get banned from this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:47 PM
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Black pill support yapping is so embarrassing, I’ll pray for you brother
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:42 PM
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It means the world is getting more retarded legit
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:32 PM
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Too many black pillers in here again which means the sub needs to be culled 🤭
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:14 PM
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You know you are just agreeing with the OP? Like, here you correctly identify that ugly men want beautiful, desirable women who are doing what beautiful and desirable women do (fuck hot men). You’re just saying these unattractive men don’t want the average or unattractive woman seeking a stable relationship. But tbh that doesn’t even track with what I’ve experienced. I went to a university where the engineering school was considered one of the best in the country. They aren’t uniquely ugly, so i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:09 PM
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Why is this a question for blue pill? Even red pill believes social skills are learnable. It just depends on the individual’s starting point and what environment they’re in.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 11:57 AM
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Yeah unironically all other pills - including black, pink, purple, etc. - are some variation of blue. One of the OG red pill mods of this sub has a better explanation of this floating along somewhere in this sub. It’s not even to shit on red pillers, it’s because anything that isn’t the evo psych beliefs of red pill is blue pill (and therefore wrong, including black).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:50 AM
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No to both. Gives me the ick tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:48 AM
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Doesn’t change their chromosomes that make up their biological sex. This is all delulu trans shit, god I hate seeing it on this subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:46 AM
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Pro-black pill stances, calling it “true” results in 30-day bans to permanent bans for repeat offenses. You should be careful repeating black pill talking points moving forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 07:23 PM
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No it’s not. I can even link the definition from the TRP subreddit. “Sexual way” = holistic attraction, not just looks. I mean every word of this in the red pill sense and wha red pill defines as sexual attraction. Black pill is retardation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:03 PM
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I’m gonna argue this from the red pill perspective. First, I have no idea what you mean by hypergamous. In TRP, female hypergamy is seeking out the top man, not financially, but in some visceral sexual way. Even if she is with someone else and doesn’t act on the hypergamous urge, she can identify who this “top” man is at any given time. The best case scenario is that her man fulfills the hypergamous urge. So, let’s say female sexual nature is to be hypergmaous. This actually facilitates their mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:38 AM
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This idea is retarded. The birth rate has nothing to do with this when the men are not obligated to wife these women up, nor bring them back for the US to fund their citizenship. It would just be increasing the birthrate in those foreign countries lol. This idea is literally “fund poor men to be passport bros” hahaha.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 11:23 PM
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I literally said that in my first sentence lollll ??
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 11:17 PM
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This comes down to personal preference. I don’t think men should be “happy” to pay for the first date, but 99% of men will admit they’re willing to pay for the first date if the woman is worth it. Like, if that’s his dream woman. I would also argue that whether he pays or not is actually not as important as offering to. So, to me, there are a few things here: I take it as a lack of interest, and also a lack of gentlemanly manners, if he doesn’t offer to pay for the date. The offer is more import…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:47 PM
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See my initial comment: men literally cannot fathom what what prostitution is like and why this is not a backup option for the vast majority of women who value their physical, emotional, mental and professional safety. Also see my initial comment: men have backup options for physical labor, the military, and red pill grifting, all of which are more respectable than being a sex worker. Hence, men have an easier life due to their backup options.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:04 AM
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Yea that’s like saying men can just fall back on being a red pill grifter on a podcast and it can even be lucrative. Unrealistic and bordering on delusional statement. I’m from one of the top, if not the top, sex tourism counties in the world. The things that prostitution does to women is horrible. Calling being pimped out, raped, verbally and physically abused, etc. a privileged falback for women is nutso.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:53 AM
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Less than 1% of American women are on Only Fans. Being a full service sex worker (a prostitute) is even more dangerous. You can go to the sex worker subreddits and they will even say that sex work is such a complicated topic. Your high end escorts are settling down after being a sugar baby. Your pimped out drug addicted prostitutes are damaged for life or dead. The idea that women can just up and choose to be an escort is so delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:03 AM
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You will never convince women that sex work is a backup option when it comes as a personal risk to most of us, physically, emotionally, mentally, and professionally. It’s like saying men have a backup career as a physical laborer or military men (where women are disadvantaged and discouraged in the former, and raped in the latter) so men have easier lives with backup options. BOTH of which are significantly more respectable and socially acceptable than being a sex worker, mind you. Completely us…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:03 AM
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No one is saying every interaction with a man is a deranged one. We're pointing out that "how men treat women" includes it ALL, not just having dates paid for and receiving meme texts. Because the entire experience is what the average woman is receiving, the good/neutral and the bad. That's what I mean in my initial comment that men simply cannot fathom what it is like being female, existing in a female body around men. Because even if you're interactions with random men are mostly good - and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:35 PM
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It's not, I clarified why I would be annoyed, and it's because it's interrupting my time. Not sure where you read that it's affected by physical appearance lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:26 PM
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On the contrary, I think the average person, man or woman, is capable of saying fucked up things and have probably done so, even if they don't do it all the time. Even if it occurs only a small percent of the time. Rape jokes, random misogynistic comments, I mean... the "average" men in this subreddit claim they: 1) Lie to women to get sex, 2) Save pictures shared by women on the Daily Thread to jerk off to later, 3) Tell women they wish their husbands divorce them in some years, etc. and more. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:24 PM
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The thought that either gender can experience what it is like to be the other is completely useless. For men to understand what it is like to be treated as women, by other men, they need to exist in female bodies with female biology and need to present as female. So yeah, you get dates paid for and chivalry. You also get: grown men leering at you before you ever grow breasts or have a period, men threatening to rape or assault you on basically every online platform you join, men touching you ina…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:06 PM
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The red pill does not claim that, and I will need you to cite for me in any of the theory posts on TRP where it says that. “The red pill” ≠ retarded incels spouting whatever because they’re big mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:53 PM
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Er… the manosphere doesn’t say only beautiful women have good dating options. Like the entire argument made by the red pill is that women are hypergamous, and they are often able to date up, if not in looks then socioeconomically. Why are random words capitalized? It makes your post really hard to read omg.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:47 PM
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Feeling safe will not happen because, no matter what, men are bigger, stronger, taller, more muscle mass, and have more aggression than women on average. So there is no conceivable reality in which feelings of safety are fair. And that is just life, that’s just biology. Since you are flaired red pill, I assume you believe in the red pill male/female mechanisms of attraction. There is no such thing as “fairness” in systems of attraction. It’s like asking men to be just as attracted to ugly women …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 07:18 PM
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I don’t think most people really sort through “career man” - they are looking for someone who shares some similar lifestyle, life vision, and also tend to meet people in their social groups, which tends to include university and professional network/friends. That’s why assortative mating is so strong, because people naturally meet others through their social circles. I filtered for traits outside of “career men” but it so happened that nearly all my options were career men because my entire soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:37 PM
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Boss babes notoriously do not have problems getting men tho, like the data shows educated, middle class or higher women have the highest marriage rates and lowest divorce rates. Most people mate assortatively tho, so this is expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:26 PM
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The OP is not really wrong in a sense; the data shows that most people date and marry assortatively, usually within the similar social and socioeconomic background. There are some mechanisms that blend these lines, like people who meet in undergrad and then one of them stops after receiving a Bachelors, and the other goes on to get a Masters, Doctorate, or professional degree. Most people I know married or partnered within their general class.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:23 PM
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Yeah but I’m not the one going around hitting on men and then going “Yeh we can just be friends haha” after they’ve received a no. Men do that. Women do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:14 PM
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I didn’t say anything was “wrong” with it; I said it’s not a compliment. Aside from this, I don’t talk to other men because I have a man. And he, like most men who have tried that strategy, went “It’s alright, everyone’s allowed to have friends.” 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:09 PM
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It’s not a compliment when men expect an exchange. It defeats the purpose of it being a compliment. I like how you, a man, are insisting you know what it’s like to be hit on by men as a woman. Lol. The type of men who cold approach say inappropriate things, touch you like they are familiar with you, are aggressive/forward in their behavior. It’s like a 50/50 chance of that happening. But men never experience this because they’re not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:06 PM
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Pay is a labor right. Women will never ever ever feel as safe as men do. Men will never ever ever feel the fear and stress of pregnancy. I mean some things in life are inherently not symmetrical. Dating is one of those things, just like family planning and parenthood is one of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:02 PM
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It’s not a “a compliment” tho. When some rando woman gives me a compliment, the interaction takes 2 seconds and we are both on our way. When men hit on you, they are expecting something back (your time, your availability, your openness etc.) in exchange for that “compliment.” Bc if I were to tell him 2 seconds in to not even try, that I am not interested, men start calling you names and being really nasty. “You’re ugly and a bitch anyway.” That’s why being hit on (cold approached) is not a compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:50 PM
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Yes annoyed. If I’m in the middle of an errand (at the grocery store, pet store, gym) or have had a stressful day, yes it is annoying sometimes being stopped by a stranger who wants to make small talk. In the same way that I am annoyed when the solar panel sales guy rings my doorbell while I am working. Being annoyed at having your time interrupted is not some foreign concept. Even men experience that. Women tend not to be annoyed by being hit on if the environment is one that’s more readily ope…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:36 AM
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And I am telling you that being hit on is not always a compliment. Literally last weekend some guy asked me about my coffee recommendations in a local roasters, and then he was like, ”You know what, we should link up, what’s your number?” What is this lie that being hit on means it’s a compliment and that women need to enjoy it???
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:30 AM
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Being hit on isn’t really a compliment in and of itself. It can be flattering, but most times it’s some guy making small talk and then asking for your number.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:14 AM
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That’s not an average man. The average man does not get approached at all lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 03:10 AM
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I don’t get offended, no. It’s flattering, but would also probably be partially curiously devastating if I were only ever hit on by men I consider ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:32 AM
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I own several firearms and so I could do this now. But I don’t. Men naturally have more aggression, risk taking drive, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:59 PM
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Oh okay so you’re not looking to have your debate debated, and your post should be removed? Am I hearing this correctly?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:32 PM
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And yet you agreed with me that the reasoning can be fucked up, as you did here in this comment. So you agree there is nuance to your statement of “it’s okay to want a virgin woman,” but for some reason you also have a hard time acknowledging this. Very weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:28 PM
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Not relevant to the discussion at hand. Clearly then, you agree that in some instances it is not okay to want a virgin woman. Thanks for the chat, have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:14 PM
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Nah, morally it was wrong to me. They can have whatever preference they like, but the reasoning can be really fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:06 PM
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When I was a virgin (up until I was 24) and dating, I absolutely had men interested in me, a virgin, for the wrong reasons. It came off creepy and fetishistic and disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:41 PM
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Why do you guys create this fantasy that men are out here “providing” when the vast majority of partnered couples — married or just cohabitating — are both working? And then say that cooking is a woman’s job lol. Very weird???
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:48 PM
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You misunderstood my comment. I did not say men value the body exclusively in sexual attraction. I said men value the body exclusively in a sexual way—that’s why they have a hard time understanding that women can find men good looking or attractive but not want to sleep with him. On the other hand, the men here make a 1:1 connection with physical attractiveness and wanting to have sex with that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 01:41 PM
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Your first mistake is thinking women are like men and value the body almost exclusively sexually like men do. If I say I like his light green eyes, it’s because they’re day-dreamy and it feels like he’s staring right into my soul; I like looking into them because I feel connection. But if we are to pick things he does for us, then I’d say he likes to take care of me. He does his best to shield me from the unpleasantness of the world; he makes me feel safe. He’s got really great character and sen…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 01:25 PM
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Yeah I’m talking about young men who were single and clearly single cause they’d make conversation with your friend(s) and treat you like you are invisible. I’m not talking about married men, I’m talking about men who were my own age and in my dating cohort.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 12:19 PM
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They don’t. When you’re plain or ugly, men literally pretend you do not exist lol. I had this phase when I was young of being ugly, and men make an effort to not make eye contact with you. If you have pretty friends, they’ll walk up to talk to your friend and then act like you’re not there. The idea that plain and ugly women are getting attention from men is crazy. Nuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 12:06 PM
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There is a concept in pill spaces called the “female social matrix” or FSM (there is also a male/MSM). Basically it’s how women/men organize ourselves into a hierarchy. It’s important to note that intrasex organization is largely invisible to the opposite sex—how men would organize or “rank” women, usually based on looks and beauty, is not how women organize ourselves. There are a multitude of factors, usually related to community involvement and social standing. This is also separate from “mati…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 02:33 AM
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It’s hard to understand because this is not how human attraction works. People do not look at each other as a series of calculations to determine attractiveness and matchup. That’s just some obscene autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 04:31 AM
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I have already explained it to you. Either read it and accept it, or don't. It's up to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:33 PM
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I think johns have questionable morals, correct. I’m from a third world country that is one of the most traveled to for sex tourism. Men seeking out prostitutes are not exactly “good.” And no, you are wrong. I don’t think it’s about the sex at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 10:47 PM
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The kinds of men who whine about being entitled to sex and that women are wrong for not giving him sex (the kind of was referring to in my comment) do not respect women, no. I am not a puritan either. If you a sex worker you are actively participating in the objectification of female bodies for male pleasure. Johns have their own moral dilemma in that most full service sex workers (i.e. prostitutes) work under a pimp, are economically disadvantaged, have drug/mental problems that restrict them f…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 09:32 PM
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I will need you to find me a source that says “Blue pill beliefs = sex work positive.” That’s not what the blue pill is. The Blue Pill is just being against the evo-psych theories of The Red Pill. Views on sex work fall outside of that and are varied among people who are flaired blue pill and purple pill. Generally the reason why people are “for” men seeing sex workers is because the choices usually presented are: 1) A man whines at regular women because he feels he is owed sex, or 2) That man s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 01:53 PM
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Has nothing to do with what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 06:59 PM
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There’s waiting for connection, and then waiting because that woman views it as a reward she gives to a man, making him “earn” it. Those women are morally inferior on top of being retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 05:34 PM
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Women who don't get approached by men are probs ugly, and anyone claiming it's cause they are "too pretty" are liars lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 06:48 PM
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I think your line of thinking is too black and white. I asked this question to women on the sub a long time ago, and most answers women gave me was that looking for “gentlemanly” behavior (chivalry, paying for the first date, etc.) was not about prostituting herself out. It’s that through their life experience, they knew that men who paid for the first date (or offered to) were more serious about courting her. Men also learn this from women, that women who get physical quickly—even outside of in…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:32 PM
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In example 2, I actually think it is fine that men are not upfront about this. Similar to how women are not upfront with “if you do not pay for the first date, I will not continue seeing you.” It’s a social interaction that is implicitly understood by neurotypical people, that even if a woman is looking to be treated on a first date, it does not mean she is only after a man’s money. She’s looking for a signal that he is actually interested in her, and this is how a lot of men see early-ish physi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 03:13 PM
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Correct. “Being honest” about wanting sex quickly is only going to do men a disservice in that department. Most women will need to feel seduced in some way, and that if she DOES sleep with him relatively quickly, it was because they were both “vibing” and it was “mutually feeling the mood” and that “it just happened.” And this is coming from someone who actually prefers if things get physical quickly; I still do not want to feel like all someone wants from me is sex. Because it’s not like all I …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 03:05 PM
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Idk about my friends, but for me it’s when he’s a picky eater, and also if there is no spark when things get physical.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:36 AM
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I select for men who are assertive enough to approach me, and I do not find passive men attractive. So… no.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 03:10 AM
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The statements in your OP are: "Women are happier than men being single!” “Women don’t need relationships like men do!” “Women don’t feel lonely at all!” Which of these is not neutral? Which of these is not true? Out of these three, only the last is misleading, but women do not say that either. It's some fiction you pulled out of nowhere. Women do say they feel lonely, though that is less about romantic loneliness and more about being lonely due to an entire lack of a support system.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:42 PM
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You are projecting your idea of "superiority" here. Saying "women are happier single comparative to single men, or happier single than being in a subpar relationship" is not a statement of superiority. It means women generally are content being single given these conditions or comparisons, whereas men are not. And that is due to a variety of reasons, none of which are statements of superiority.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:30 PM
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Your whole argument is: "Happy people never say they are happy" which is lol, not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:22 PM
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Okay I am not going to continue a conversation with someone who does not understand that answers are contextual to the question asked, which asked about "intense attraction" vs. "average attraction." If you cannot understand this, this conversation is pointless since apparently you think the women are just spitting out answers to the void, instead of answering a specific question that was asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:44 PM
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No on said looks do not matter. We are saying the "initial attraction" (how attractive past the binary yes/no of the threshold to fuck) means very little. A man being more attractive past the threshold doesn't increase the chance of orgasm. FYI, the OP even clarified it in his own post. "Intense attraction" vs. "average attraction." Just say you do not understand women and go lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:32 PM
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You don't think some things carry meaning in certain contexts and not others? I don't really have deep conversation with other people, no, unless you count the one we're having now, but this is more like a debate. Still, it's not like I feel love for you through it, but I do feel love for my bf through conversation with him (or touching, or gift giving, or acts of service). Everyone is able to contextualize actions, even the same ones, into meaning or non-meaning. "Logically" because I feel love…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 10:25 PM
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Is it a result of the man being attractive, or is it that attractive men often have more opportunities to practice and become good at sex? Being fucked by someone you don't find attractive is not even in the question here. Not in my answer, and not in the OP, so I do not know why that even left your mouth. Have a good one!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 09:56 PM
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If they would not leave you alone in DMs or other subreddits (so ones that are not PPD), then yes, submit proof and you can block them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:47 PM
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From what I understand talking to other women, generally, women's orgasm happens when she's able to feel relaxed and uninhibited. Has very little to do with how good looking the man is. I, personally, do not understand this question of "initial attraction" because I separate thinking a man is good looking from wanting to sleep with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 06:14 PM
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Sex has as much meaning as you give to it. I happen to feel that sex is romantic and is tied to falling in love, others don’t. I also think people who can have meaningless sex with someone can also have very meaningful sex with someone else, at a different point in their life, and feel love through sex while in a different relationship. Re: relationships, sexual intimacy is a big part of feeling loved for most people. And I do, actually, feel love through deep conversation with my bf because it’…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 05:09 PM
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These are not two mutually exclusive things. You can have casual sex and feel very little, you can have casual sex and feel emotional attachment through it. You can also feel love through sex as a form on emotional/intimacy maintenance while in a relationship. And the same person can feel these things at different points in their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 02:18 PM
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That’s because men do not even have to like someone in order to have sex with them. They would just use her body. Everyone knows that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 10:31 PM
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Requiring users to watch a video is against the rules of this subreddit. Either provide the context and argument in the body of your post so others can debate it, or this post will be removed for low effort posting.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 09:54 PM
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You said it yourself it becomes a fetish when it reaches an obsessive extreme. That's literally my point. When a preference becomes so rigid that you'll risk your mental health for someone who checks the box but treats you terribly while dismissing good people who don't that's the extreme. We just don't label it that way when women do it. Huh? This is some fiction you made up just now. If I say I only date men who make >$100k/annual, it doesn’t imply I date those men at the cost of other standar…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 07:08 PM
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A fetish is tied to obsessive sexual arousal normally, and usually includes parted out features, e.g. foot fetish, sock fetish, ejaculation fetish (for women that have a fixation on semen). If I say I would never date an addict no matter what, it doesn’t mean I am fetishizing sober men. It’s just some standard. Some standards are harder to meet than others. Even men who like big girls aren’t really classified as a fetish—it’s a fetish when it is taken to some obsessive extreme, like “feeders”/“f…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:13 PM
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I tell men they can do those things, so I fit within the parameters of your post. They don’t have to be masculine, etc. because they are free to do whatever they want with their lives. I tell my man it’s okay to be vulnerable and open up; I don’t give a shit what other men do because I don’t care about them like I care about my man. Most men would not date me, and I am not attractive to a lot of men. Does that mean they are ostracizing me from society? Of course not. They’d treat me like a norma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:13 PM
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I tell my man it’s okay to open up. Idc what other men do, why would I? I have no obligation to care about them the way I do with my man. Not dating someone is not ostracizing them from society.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:19 AM
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The value here is: “people have the freedom to do whatever they like with their lives.” No one is stopping men from doing these things. The incentive is already “I want to exist authentically as myself” which is the only reason someone should ever choose something for their life. I make decisions with my life that make me less attractive to the average man, but so what? They are also authentic to me. Nothing else matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:54 AM
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It’s not sabotage. Men are free to do whatever they like with their lives; why is it any of my business to tell them what they should or shouldn’t do? You cannot control attraction, that’s the long and short of it. Not being attracted to someone does not mean you want them to not be included in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 02:30 AM
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And yet you have not defined it. Trans women present as women, are sub-category of “women”, so they are in your gender of attraction. You are just not attracted to them, and that’s fine. It’s cool that men do whatever they wanna do, but it does not mean I have to be attracted to them. Just like women who choose to not conform to their gender norms can be included by society, but some men won’t wanna date her for it and that’s okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 02:24 AM
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No it is not. Social acceptance means you are not ostracized for being able to express yourself / present as whatever you want in society. It does not mean the opposite gender has to find you attractive. If you meet trans women at your work or in public, I’m sure you give them standard social politeness. You (hopefully) do not make looks or noises of disgust and or otherwise let them know they are not welcome. Does that mean you have to find trans women attractive? Of course it doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 02:14 AM
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What do my preferences have to do with allowing people the freedom to do those things? I don’t judge or socially ostracize a man who presents feminine / wears dresses, but I’m not attracted to those men either. Social acceptance ≠ women have to date them. Just like women who do not conform to feminine norms also result in them having a more niche, smaller dating pool. Also the women who are not bothered by dad bods are usually the ones dating them. The girls into fit guys are always saying stuff…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 02:03 AM
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Not every hookup is a ‘chad’ even if you find him attractive in the moment. But there are so many reasons for this—a lot of people don’t want to relationship at that specific time in their life, or maybe the guy doesn’t have good relationship qualities. Kinda hard to continue having sex with someone if you think he’s a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:20 AM
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When men care about women’s issues, it is because they care about their wives, daughters, nieces, etc. No man has ever given a shit about some stranger woman. Women want “society” to care, and they go through social-political avenues to achieve this, coalescing into female-majority activism groups and getting their family/friends to care. They do not care how individual stranger men feel about women’s issues, and we know men who are strangers do not care. It is often then case that men want “soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:02 PM
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Women do not expect strangers to care, they expect their loved ones to care, and they want their friends to care. This is also why women go to spaces like 2XChromie to form women-based emotional support groups so they can commiserate with each other. Men go to places like PPD and expect women who are strangers to care about his sexlessness inflicted on him by other women, and it's like... what is the reason for doing this? He should go to r/kitchencels or his friends to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:28 PM
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I addressed this in my comment: It’s not my business to say what people can complain about or not. I think feeling bummed about lack of sex is valid, or even lack of romantic access. People also do not have to care if you (general) are complaining. Idc what men complain about, they can do this and no one is obligated to care. Just like I can complain that I was not born rich, I was born in some 3rd world shit hole and no one is obligated to care. Would be nice if they found a support community, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:14 PM
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It’s not my business to say what people can complain about or not. I think feeling bummed about lack of sex is valid, or even lack of romantic access. I am one of the women who thinks sex/romantic love is a “need” in that it is a normal human desire, a completion to the human experience. But I am also anti-complainer in general. Like, it’s one thing to express a desire for it, and another to be like… whining that you are owed this, that someone needs to give it to you, etc. On the Red Pill Women…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 03:59 PM
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I’ve had 2 sexual partners, both LTRs. We knew each other from social circles but didn’t really talk one-on-one or anything until I was approached romantically. I slept with both of them really quickly, like on the second date. Maybe 1-2 weeks into us talking? Hard to remember. I don’t need to love them or anything before sex, but I need to know we are both looking for an LTR and things are headed that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 01:34 AM
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Go find the proof in my comment history. I don’t screenshot every retard being a retard; that’s a waste of my time. Feelings projection is what men are doing when they tell women to choose better. Because if it were serious, they would say stuff like “choose better among men you find attractive” instead of “give average guys a chance.” So already we know it is not about women choosing better, it’s about them not being chosen. So you understand we are at an impasse. I will “need proof” that men o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:39 PM
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You are defending them as if their flippant and sarcastic comments for me to choose better are based on anything other than their feelings. Men do this all the time here—you can say that you don’t find xyz qualities attractive and then they will accuse you of choosing Chad and that you should choose better lol. Your assumption is that these men are being genuine (therefore have a valid reason to say it) and I am telling you they don’t. You think they are cause it’s all male hivemind solipsism. N…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:28 PM
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I’m not constantly complaining, that’s the thing. Did you not read my comment? These retard men know nothing about me or my dating life. They do what you are doing right now, which is assume what my dating life is like, lollll. And then tell me to choose better. That’s not genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:20 PM
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A man here cannot tell me genuinely that I need to choose better because he does not know me or my dating life. 1000000% of the time, it’s been told to me flippantly or sarcastically. How would someone mean it genuinely unless they knew me and what my criteria for dating is to begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:13 PM
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It’s not genuine because the person saying it to me has no idea what my criteria are to begin with. Why are men here telling me to choose better when they know nothing about me?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 01:09 PM
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In my own observation from women I know, the ones who withhold sex as a power move are the type to view it as a bargaining chip and reward, rather than a mutually enjoyed activity. Like, she will always require something of him (a nice date, gifts, praise, etc.) before she has sex with him. She will never want sex just because. And that is exactly the kind of thing that men complain about in LTRs and marriage. So if I guess the OP is advocating for men to be in relationships like that, I mean...…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:37 AM
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The phrase "choose better" can be meant genuinely, but it is my experience that men (here) do not meant it genuinely. They mean it in a "If only you would give guys like me a chance" kind of way, but then in the next breath will say that he wants women to have primal early sex with him (so he's exactly the kind of man that women should avoid according to this post), and also admit men are only as loyal as his options. At the same time, I had early sex with my boyfriends because I found them attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:20 AM
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I think another thing to consider is that the 'normal' women who meet men of wealthy families tend to do this young, and often in spaces where they have access to them, like top universities. 99% of the time, these young women are not going to Reddit and asking for advice. She's already attracting those kinds of men. And the guy she met is not the millionaire; his parents are. If it didn't happen at that age, it's likely not happening ever.
/r/RedPillWomen17/02/26 05:53 PM
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Marry me. Have kids with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 01:39 PM
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Duh because that’s what alpha fucks beta bucks is. But when women cheat, she is now loyal to the new man. Red pill simply believes that it is male nature to not be faithful, that exclusive attraction is not even natural for the male psyche. Loyalty is not natural for men at all. The article I linked literally argues that is why it is okay for men to cheat but not women, because it’s in men’s evo-psych nature to be polygynous and unloyal. LOLLLL. God all you “””””””red pill men””””””” need to rem…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 01:18 PM
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Hahaha, yeah, I love when I get to pull out quotes from actual RP theory: https://www.forums.red/p/TheRedPill/6399/hypergamy_is_monogamy The full text is sometimes wonky when it links to TRP.red but it can also be found here on RPW: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/1f7qeq8/back_to_basics_september_hypergamy_is_monogamy/ The text itself was written as RP theory, loooool. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 01:11 PM
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Women do not call it choreplay tho. “Choreplay” is a derogatory term used by men who erroneously believe this is a covert contract, when really women are describing their lack of desire for sex because the lack of support in the home makes them feel emotionally disconnected or in some cases even resentful. Hence they do not want sex. There ARE women who make chore charts like “Do the dishes and you earn a blow job” but that’s not a covert contract. That’s just them exchanging chores for sex stra…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:26 AM
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The idea of choreplay isn’t that women will give sex if you do chores, it’s that people who do not feel exhausted from handling everything are generally more open to doing fun sexy stuff. Additionally when one person feels like they are doing an unfair share of labor in the home, it makes you feel like your partner does not care about sharing those responsibilities equally, which causes emotional disconnectedness. And women generally need emotional connection to fuck. I have never seen TRP advoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:03 AM
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Who sad they hated men? The red pill does not concern itself with incels, it’s not meant to equalize the dating field. Incel shit is banned from this subreddit. I don’t know what else you want me to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 11:25 PM
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It’s facetious because I’m a mod, you all don’t understand jokes or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 11:23 PM
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Right, the OP is asking "how is the red pill alive if it spawns some men further down the path of hopelessness" and the answer is that the red pill does not concern itself with these men at all. He seems to mistakenly believe that the red pill exists for some kind of sexual/romantic equality, and that the lack of equality should push men away from the the red pill, but that's not the case at all. It's for individual people to do whatever they want with that knowledge, and most people who are red…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 10:19 PM
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If this is you, Sprout, people have already told you that you're a fakecel. The vast majority of men are not too loser-ish to be cels. There will be no uprising when most men are not cels to begin with and never will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 08:59 PM
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NEETs and the like aren’t doing anything and never will. The men who become doctors, lawyers, politicians etc. normally have romantic access. He’s ascended into no longer being a loser, he’s ascended into being average or above and will play the game of life like everyone else. In life, you either fail or succeed. That’s it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 08:52 PM
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It means there is a disconnect between them believing in feminist theory, and not practicing feminism. What they are doing is advocating for actions that are incongruent with feminism (i.e. structural betterment for women), due to desire for individual power/wealth, which makes them retards. Idk how else I can explain this, so whatever. Have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 06:20 PM
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They are not feminists, those ideologies are opposed, what are you not understanding about this?? Choosing patriarchal structures and calling it feminism IS NOT feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 06:04 PM
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What if a vegetarian was stranded in an island with only the option of eating meat or starving to death. They're not vegetarian then, because they eat meat. That's the whole point of why people are disagreeing with you. Idk how you are even reaching this conclusion that feminists advocate for this stuff. If anything feminists advocate for economic independence outside of marriage/relying on a man, and the rise of feminism has also coincided with more households being equal financial contribution…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 05:56 PM
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I need you all to understand something. The red pill is intended for your "average frustrated chump" (AFC) who has the means and motivation to improve his sexual outcome. It was never, EVER meant for bottom of the barrel, the hopelessly autistic, and/or unbearably losery men. The red pill is alive because most men are average and above, thus theoretically incorporating red pill strategy will help him in some way. But there has always been some group of men that are undesirable and unable to obta…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 05:47 PM
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Yeh, I made a similar comment below about this post being analogous to a person claiming that they're a communist while also striving to rise in the ranks of capitalist hierarchy because it's a means to build wealth. These two ideas are just inherently opposed, it does not make sense to say that operating within capitalism is somehow a communist act. At the very least, it seems both the men and women reading this agree that the OP is a little off base with the premise of this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 03:51 PM
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The “solution now” does not make it feminism. What do broke guys have to do with the conversation that what these women are doing isn’t feminism? It’s a method of obtaining individual power that has nothing to do with feminism at all. Idc what these women choose, I’m not a feminist either. So to me they should do whatever they want with their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:44 PM
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Most marriages are not sexless (in the west). Throughout history, it was acceptable for men to have gotten mistresses or seen prostitutes. These days, men still cheat, some men divorce, or attempt to open up the marriage. Motivation for male monogamy is still partially access to sex. The data shows again and again that married men have the most sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:32 PM
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That is not feminism, no. Feminism = a philosophical view and ethical system of the world that is STRUCTURALLY beneficial for women, which is why lib fems have a focus on legal rights, and rad fems are associated with dismantling the patriarchy. Some women’s willingness play into the patriarchy because they view it as the only option does not mean it’s a feminist act. It’d be like some guy who believes in communism going, “Well in this world, capitalism seems to the only acceptable way forward, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:07 PM
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Well of course red pill men will not say it, why would they talk about male nature? But it’s in their sidebar / required reading texts on TRP. Half the men flaired red pill here probably haven’t even read them lolllll.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:39 PM
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When has Shera Seven EVER talked about capitalism and how feminism fits into this? She jokes about being a financial advisor and how to increase your lifestyle, by marrying a rich man or having a roster of rich men. That sub banned you because it comes off like a troll question. Shera has never claimed herself a feminist or that what she advocates for is an act of feminism. It’s simply not a feminist idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:34 PM
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Shrek being a cautionary tale for… choosing the person you love? Lol? Hypergamy/money advocates have nothing to do with feminism, unless they are somehow now philosophizing on a world that is structurally and ethically better for women. There are sometimes crossover beliefs from rad fems and pink pill about what male nature is, and how detrimental it is to society, but women like Shera Seven are only advocating for “how to get a bag” or how to get a rich man, which is not any form of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:22 PM
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Yes, but but monogamy is also a choice when you care about your specific genetic legacy, which men care more about than women. Men don’t care about “kids” they care about their legacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:04 PM
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The red pill itself literally says men crave sexual variety and they all want to cheat even if he doesn’t follow through with it… lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:00 AM
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This answer is kind of complicated, but the short answer is that theoretically what you think is true, but also is not reflected in real life because people do not operate just on male/female nature. In the red pill, like the OG red pill, female hypergamy refers to her sexual attraction to the most (sexually) dominant man, and that she will constantly be on the lookout for this man even if she is currently with someone else. The idea here is that women find one man attractive at a time, the most…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 06:21 AM
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Oh, then yes, even at the upper end of my social circle (which is like $500-600k, tech field), these men tend to care less about a woman’s career. At the very least, it is not necessarily about the career, but that she is prioritizing something other than spending time with him. If she’s a model or artist making what you make, the perceived femininity of that position also offsets the (often correct) assumption that high-achieving women have masculine personality traits that aid them succeeding …
/r/RedPillWomen16/02/26 04:15 AM
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I want to be a SAHM eventually, but I don’t want to have kids and not be financially prepared for them. I, personally, would not be necessarily giving up my career as it is easy for me to freelance or do consulting on my own time. Though obviously I will take a hit for being out of the workforce for a number of years. Any choice you make in life comes with consequences, and you should prepare yourself for any outcome to the best of your ability. Also idk why getting an education requires acquiri…
/r/RedPillWomen16/02/26 04:03 AM
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This is not something I have encountered at all as a woman with 2 degrees and a relatively successful career. The men in my social circles are married to women of equivalent education and career type normally. The women I know who have masters, professional, or even doctorate degrees have had no problems getting relationships. Typically though when you are looking at middle class and upper middle class brackets, these men are the most concerned about financial stability and building wealth, and …
/r/RedPillWomen16/02/26 03:56 AM
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The idea that you cannot do both is just completely bizarre. At some point you prioritize career or family, but until then you are free to do both concurrently. You can: 1) have the means to be economically independent on your own, and also 2) be dating intentionally to find a husband. These are not inherently contradictory, and women do this all the time when they are young regardless of whether or not they are red pilled. Also, practically speaking, how would a woman have no skills even if she…
/r/RedPillWomen16/02/26 02:59 AM
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I mean, hello, no one can just exist and have someone else like them. Typically you cannot be in a relationship with someone without knowing them and finding each other interesting and fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:45 AM
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What about the “if” qualifier statement is not making sense to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:13 PM
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Correct, I am talking about a man, my bf, who DOES NOT view romance as dancing monkey stuff. That does not support what you are trying to say, that I view all men who are trying to date me as only doing romantic stuff to have sex with me. I very clearly the said, in my initial comment, if a man views it that way, then it gives me the impression that he views dating and romance as a transaction in order to have sex, rather than a mutually enjoyed activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:12 PM
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I am emphasizing a question that you cannot seem to answer. How are you “stuck”? If a man is encountering women who are not interested in him, then he is just not desirable as a partner. He is not stuck doing anything, he can just disengage, no one is forcing him to entertain these women in hopes for a crumb of coochie.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:10 PM
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I am not talking about my personal dating experiences, I am talking about how men on this subreddit use the term “dancing monkey.” Is this lost on you? Not understood? Plain English?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:02 PM
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I am asking you WHO IS MAKING YOU DATE WOMEN LIKE THIS. How are you “stuck” dating women like this??? No one is making you “stuck” except for yourself, this is actively a choice you make. Like I said elsewhere in this comment thread, dancing monkey stuff is always used to refer to the fact that men tend to have to initiate due to biological differences that make it so that women experience responsive desire and men experience spontaneous desire. If a man talks to a woman and she is not enthusias…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:00 PM
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Who is being rude to you? I am asking if you understand this is a Q4W post. Also none of what you just said has anything to do with the perception that I am taking the OP’s question to mean that men dating me means he views dating as dancing monkey stuff. So really, you have not communicated anything of what you actually meant, which is a you problem and not mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:57 PM
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How do you “get stuck” dating women like this? Who forces you all to continue this interaction if she does not like you? Lol???
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:51 PM
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Men on this subreddit and social retardation, name a more iconic duo lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:50 PM
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This is all generalized observations of what men here mean when they talk about being a dancing monkey. I have just extrapolated this to why I personally do not like it because the OP asked why we do not like this term. I mean it’s literally a Q4W post asking women for our perspectives. Was this lost on you, not understood, or…?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:48 PM
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As I told someone else: Additionally, being a dancing monkey is not required in dating. Men do this when they get one-itis and get stuck on messaging some girl who clearly is not interested in them. No one is making him continue this interaction. If some chick at a party is continuously bored and not talking to a guy despite his efforts, that’s just social retardation on his part, not her requiring him to impress her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:42 PM
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He won’t ever explain. Because the fact of the matter is that no one is making men continue these “dancing monkey” interactions. Men do this to themselves when they get stuck on the idea of some chick, continually talking to her despite her being obviously disinterested in him. If she is giving one line responses and not being interested in the conversation, whether this happens via app or in-person, why is he still there? Men invent this fiction that women require men go through this, but we do…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:03 PM
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Even the red pill acknowledges that women generally have reactive desire compared to men’s spontaneous desire. Given that most women require connection before getting to sex, whereas men can and even admit to having sex with someone they do not even like, of course any effort to get women sexually interested will seem like dancing monkey stuff. Like I said in my initial comment, the men who talk about “dancing monkey” stuff almost always mean it in some fashion that it is something he resents bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:59 PM
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So this is just proving my initial comment. That men who view dating as monkey dancing do it order to get laid lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:47 PM
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Last I checked, I used it as a general term describing who uses the term dancing monkey and for what purpose, leading me to believe what “dancing monkey” actually means. Insert that into your GPT lol. Is English a fluent language for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:32 PM
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No I’m not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:30 PM
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Like I said in earlier comments, I know what it is “supposed” to mean, and I am arguing that I have never heard it used except by men who resent initiating and being interesting to begin with. Because by and large, standards for dates in the western world are so low compared to where I am from (that actually DOES cling to formal courtship rituals). Women in the U.S and Europe accept coffee dates, meeting up at a bar, cheap food trucks, etc. Additionally it seems like men themselves cannot agree …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:28 PM
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They always do, this is what I meant in my initial comment. They see having to put ANY kind of effort in as monkey dancing, because they want women to just fall at his feet in lust at the sight of him. That’s how I know men here are liars when they insist it means “just mismatched effort!” They mean any dynamic at all in which he has to put in effort for women to feel emotional and sexual connection to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:17 PM
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I’m already with him, obviously, I said my boyfriend. In the context of new dating, like I said, if a man thinks having to come up and talk to me and be fun to be around is dancing monkey stuff, why would I want to date him? Especially when I put in effort into early dating? I have NEVER heard men use “dancing monkey” in any other way except as disdain for being expected to initiate, and that is even removed from mismatched effort in the early dating stages. They use it to mean “In order for a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:12 PM
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It’s always some retarded incels who think having to initiate and be fun to be around is dancing monkey stuff. I have never seen it used it any other context even tho it’s “supposed” to mean mismatched effort. They resent the entire dynamic of initiating and doing romantic things in dating. So I have no reason to think being a dancing monkey means anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:59 PM
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A man complaining about initiating and doing romantic stuff is not romantic to me, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:56 PM
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Ya so I just bought my bf a $650 set of luxury floor mats for his car for Valentine’s Day. If a man thinks coming up to me and initiating is dancing monkey stuff, he is not the kind of man I want to date to begin with lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:55 PM
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I know what it means. However in the context of how men here use it, they resent the entire aspect of dating and romance rituals. Why would I want to date someone who resents that stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:21 PM
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If he sees hanging out and having fun as “dancing monkey” stuff as the cost of getting sex from me, it tells me that he views relationships transactionally instead of as a mutually enjoyed bond.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:52 PM
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It is way more than just compatibility: Even with compatibility taken into account, in the past it was easier to find and integrate into social circles where people shared your lifestyle, interests, political views, values, etc. Lack of mixed-gender spaces and opportunity to integrate into social groups means dating reverts back to “formal” dating and courtship rituals, which nobody really likes as opposed to meeting people organically through social circles. Dating apps and social media make it…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:36 PM
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Respect for men is going down in modern society. Women are not stealing your jobs. College educated women are still largely choosing women oriented studies and careers like teaching, social work, nursing, humanities, social sciences, and the arts. Women work the majority of retail jobs. Tech, science, and the trades are still male dominated, tho biological sciences and medicine are about 50/50 now. A good chunk of women who earn STEM degrees still leave the field. Who is taking your jobs lol? Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:31 AM
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Please elaborate instead of throwing around vague accusations, otherwise this post will be removed for being low effort u/Present-Afternoon-70.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:46 AM
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Again like 99% of people view romantic love separate from friendship. OP does not, it’s alien aromantic stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 12:30 AM
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No, my dad told me that all men want one thing, that they’re obsessed with sex, they will lie to get sex, stuff like that. And he was not wrong. But that is just male nature so, like, it’s whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:51 PM
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My dad. The red pill (that men are violent polygynous ephebophiles). Though at this point it is just that I believe AMALT, all men are this way, and it’s whatever. There are good things about male nature and men too, so it balances out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:52 PM
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I can only presume that this is some alien thing or OP is from a culture that somehow does not recognize romantic bonds and/or marriage as unique from friendship. Just completely bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:44 PM
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Yes, it can create a cycle of "not enough" but that's not always the case. It is analogous to capitalism where you either bootstrap up or you die, but in both systems you see there are multiple driving forces behind this. Often people who self-improve (in the red pill way or in a capitalist economy) have an internal drive to do this beyond "well if I don't do this, I just won't get women / won't be able to live." There's personal enjoyment or a sense of personal achievement attached to it, even …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 09:36 PM
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When you're a baby daddy, you're only expected to contribute financially to your kids' lives. There is no obligation to the mother outside of this. If he's in a committed relationship with that woman, or married to her, yes it's expected that spouses care for each other. The biggest difference between relationships and friendships, to me, is that friendships do not require shared life vision, meanwhile relationships do. And that's a whole different kind of emotional intimacy. Making your life de…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 05:48 PM
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Do you not understand that my friend trusting me around her kids is not the same as trusting me to help raise her kids? These are such bizarre takes from you. People who get divorced operate as a unit during their marriage, they are not just roommates who kiss and touch. Sharing apartment rent is not operating as a unit. You are living two separate lives and happen to live in the same space. That is not sharing life or operating as a unit with one shared life. The way your aunt supported her bes…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 04:36 PM
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When you are in a long-term committed relationship with someone—and this is not even really limited to legal marriage because in other places around the world, it is common to live "married life" without having the legal documentation—the amount of time you spend with each other necessitates more trust and life alignment than just a friend. When you have a shared life like this, you operate as a unit. You never operate as a single unit with a friend, or even a roommate. You never share your enti…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:52 PM
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Yeh it's like AI trying to understand human emotions
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:28 PM
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The emotional intimacy you share with a partner/spouse is different from a friend. At some point in a committed relationship—married or not, but usually married—your lives intertwine in a way that your life never intertwines with a friend. You live with them, you rely on them in ways that you don't rely on friends, you know each other deeper than you do a friend, the bond is much, much deeper. And that is just natural because you live with them, share finances with them, feel a love and obligati…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:16 PM
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I am red pilled, which is inherently sexist toward men and women, that is correct. Lol. What did you think it was???
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 01:57 AM
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I believe in the red pill, that there is a male and female sexual nature. Female nature is to be hypergamous monkey branchers, and male nature is to be violent, polygynous, and rapey (directed to women and kids). It is what it is. The angle that men like purity, and thus at the extreme end like children, is the most likely theory considering men talk about this on PPD day and day out. Their preference is not “fertile”; the male preference is “has not been touched by other men.”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 11:28 PM
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Isn’t it weird how men constantly tell on themselves that they like children
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 07:11 PM
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You understand you are admitting to liking prepubescent female bodily features? There is only one time in a person’s life when they are hairless. It’s when they’re children.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 07:10 PM
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The connection here is that men do not like fertility at all. They are either obsessed with purity and ownership of an unsullied female body, and thus many of us experienced male sexual attention BEOFRE fertility. Alternatively, deranged attraction to children is inherent to male nature, also explaining why many of us were hit on by adult men before ever being fertile. You take your pick on which theory is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 07:07 PM
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The want for possessiveness is “I want my man to view me as his, and I’m the only one he will ever want despite all these beautiful women around.” It’s not a bad preference to have, it’s just that this does not exist in real life. It is some delusional ignorance of male nature. Even the red pill says male nature is to be polygynous and lust after other women, even if he doesn’t act on it. The men who act possessive come with control and abuse issues 100% of the time, and women accept that toxici…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:21 PM
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I do think it is also a male power fantasy in some way. Like the first one is a behavioral guideline to put yourself in an abundance frame of mind, and that does cater to the male fantasy of “I can have whatever woman I want without needing to emotionally invest in her; if she requires more then I can just find another.” These things aren’t completely off base, but they’re like… very extreme portrayals. Just like I don’t think it’s the average man’s fantasy to abuse and belittle his gf/wife, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 01:00 PM
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She still lusted after other men before you, had crushes, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 12:34 PM
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Possessiveness irl comes with control and abuse. In the female fantasy, there are no negatives, the guy is possessive but somehow still respecting her autonomy and choice. 99% of women know that doesn’t exist in the real world. Which is why love bombing and control is seen as a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 12:29 PM
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Do none of you know anything about BDSM? CNC is not about hurt. It’s a ravishment fantasy (i.e obsession roleplay with someone you TRUST), and sometimes a therapeutic action by people who have experienced sexual trauma, as a way to regain control over what happened to them. In these scenarios, the submissive is the one with power, can stop what is happening at any time. The guy is not actually inflicting harm on her; they are acting out an agreed upon scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:32 AM
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Omg no, the fantasy does not include abuse or degradation or belittlement. The fantasy is that he is dominant but loving and protective (from other men, the environment, herself, you name it). Identify these toxic traits you keep talking about, and I can guarantee that it is not the toxic traits themselves that women want. They tolerate the toxicity because the man is hot or the extreme lows makes the highs feel REALLY high. Just like men who “like” toxic women do not like the toxicity. The actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:59 AM
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Those are not feelings, it’s her noticing you, athletes and musicians are noticeable too. Those aren’t FEELINGS.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:53 AM
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It is some highly desirable man, yes, and out of all the women he could have gotten with, he chose her. Possession and obsession are portrayed as non-toxic in female romance genres—in real life, they DO manifest as toxic and abusive. In the female fantasy, the dreamy man is somehow both obsessed and possessive over her, but it is only to protect her, not control her. The female fantasy is the removal of the negative parts, which is why it is a fantasy that does not exist. It’s similar to the mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:46 AM
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Women do not fantasize about abusive men. The dark romance fantasy is one about obsession, possessiveness, but also protection and love and “this man is obsessed with ME, a seemingly ordinary woman, wow I must be special.” It does not include abuse and violence directed toward her. If he is cruel, it’s in some teasing/“you know I’m bad but you still want me” sort of way. It’s important to note that in this fantasy, he would never actually want to hurt her. The two types of male power fantasies y…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:34 AM
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Do you develop feelings for someone just because you notice them? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 11:05 PM
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Hahaha I said the same thing in my comment. There are no feelings to be developed because someone is popular, this entire question is bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 10:44 PM
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Do you develop feelings for women because they are popular? In what world does this happen to either men or women? What kind of "feelings" are there to be developed? Is this just a massive social misunderstanding, what is going on? Some like social retardation or something. Feelings develop when you spend time with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 10:43 PM
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Men often have lower standards of cleanliness and do not perceive a chore needs to be done until it's literal filth. In my experience, women are more likely to routinely do chores as a maintenance measure. It's especially true in the country/culture I'm from, but also exists in the U.S. I have never met a man who keeps a space clean like women do. The exception is maybe exceptionally clean and organized military type men, but I do not date them. But also, women DO do more around the house, and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 03:05 PM
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You don’t know what living with someone is like until you live with them. At this point breaking up is harder: you have to find a new place to live, it costs money to break a lease, affording rent your own is harder alone than with two people, etc. Not to mention, it’s not like you hate this person despite them leaving socks around and not putting things in the dishwasher. You still love them, you just wish they would help around more. At the same time, when women DO leave over stuff like this, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:35 PM
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Thank you for explaining all this to him, in ways that are better articulated than I ever could have.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 02:29 PM
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I disagree with the title. None of my relationships have ever just been like a friendship with sex. For me, it’s always been that my boyfriend fulfills many different roles—friend, mentor, protector, romantic love, there’s a mutual caregiving aspect as well. I don’t cuddle with my female friends but we braid each others’ hair while talking, lol. My relationships are nothing like the normal friendships I have. The dynamic is just completely different, and I think the role of “romantic partner” is…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 02:14 PM
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The implication that you are better than someone else or have a more valid point because you are in a relationship, and assuming they are not, is not doing you any favors, just so you are aware. She is making the statement that different women find different qualities attractive, and that these differences are significant enough to challenge the legitimacy of Premise 3 in OP's post. It does not mean women don't understand logic or are bad at logic (the actual deductive process), which is her poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 10:07 PM
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Yeh I'm not arguing differently from you or that they are not required or anything. Of course they are. I am just telling the OP that what he is pointing out isn't really about women not understanding that logical process.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:24 PM
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The problem is not that women do not understand deductive reasoning. Any adult above 85 IQ can understand the logical process of that flow. What most women (here) are disagreeing with is that attractiveness or sexual connection is made up of more than L/M/S, or challenging the proportion to which these three things matter; they are questioning the legitimacy of Premise 3, not disagreeing that in order for men to be attractive, they need to do X, Y, Z things. The red pill also puts quite a bit of…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 07:29 PM
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FDS is called pink pill normally-- it is women maximizing benefit based on what they believe is male nature (which is analogous to red pill men maximizing benefit based on what they believe is female nature).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 07:08 PM
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Idk what this comment is trying to illustrate. Intelligence and self-awareness are not the same things, and being smart about your dating decisions does not translate to academic achievement.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:55 PM
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Correct, women who choose men unsuited for LTRs and then wonder where all the good men are, are not the brightest bulbs in the box, and prioritize fun/novelty/toxicity/whatever themselves. There are men and women who admit to modifying or lowering their filters for hookups and the like, but when they look for serious partners, they vet for different/additional qualities. It just takes some self awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:38 PM
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Not that I am saying you’re wrong about men saying they don’t have a type, but sometimes men absolutely do believe they don’t have a type. It’s not a lie if they believe it to be true, you know what I mean? Men who are inexperienced believe they don’t have a type because they believe they can plug in any woman they find attractive into that slot, and he will be content. But he finds out later that this isn’t actually the case, that there is much more to compatibility than just her looking nice. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:21 PM
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It doesn’t mean shit. “This is someone I’ve been dating” is nothing. Again the relationship only matters if you are heading toward marriage or have been talking about a timeline for it. It’s seen as an adulthood milestone, that’s why marriage carries meaning socially and having a bf/gf doesn’t. That’s just someone you’re fucking and hanging out with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:12 PM
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Women are the fairer sex, but I’m not a feminist, and women actually are valued for their youth and beauty. This is a society-wide and exists outside of dating; men are valued for a variety of traits, meanwhile women are valued by how pretty she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:27 PM
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The statement is correct but for the wrong reasons. Relationships do not matter until you are married. Socially, legally, whatever. What is a bf/gf?? Nothing, no one recognizes a relationship as concrete unless it is marriage or heading toward marriage (engaged, you guys are talking about a timeline of being married, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:39 PM
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A guy who is with a woman for 11 years without marriage doesn’t mean he likes her lol stop gaslighting women. This knowledge is ancient and has been passed down by our grandmas, our grandma’s grandmas etc. If a man loved you, he’d marry you. No gaslighting by men on this subreddit will make women think differently, I’m not some retarded feminist. Edit: you guys get on this app and admit every day to devaluing women’s contributions to the home as homemakers and mothers—“she didn’t help build” mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:29 PM
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If you don’t see how it’s embarrassing to be strung along by a man who doesn’t want to commit to you, meanwhile you want to commit to him, then no one can help you. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:04 PM
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It's embarrassing, idk what you want me to say. 9/10 times, these men have commitment issues and do not really like her, but also like the convenience of having a gf. Men do that kind of thing instead of just leaving, it's embarrassing for the both of them. Edit: idk why men are up in this thread gaslighting women about “not seeing how it’s embarrassing” when it is MEN who uphold valuation of women based on whether or not she is a wife (e.g “Where’s your ring?”) and admit to valuing girlfriends …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:59 PM
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It sounds like she was doing a callout for women who did not want to post their boyfriends for one reason or another, and was seeking to understand this behavior. Most women on socials are not hiding their bfs like that either so this is a very small group of women. Most women would be embarrassed to be escorts and sugar babies lol. They think it’s disgusting to be touched by some guy in exchange for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:48 PM
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When I did a callout on Instagram The author was explicitly seeking out women who felt this way. I'm baffled at the fact that you think the avg woman thinks it's embarrassing to have a bf, and that they are not embarrassed to be a sex worker/escort/sugar baby lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:39 PM
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The Vogue article you linked about BOYFRIENDS being embarrassing opens with some woman describing her TWELVE-YEAR boyfriend. Being committed to some guy for over a decade and he has commitment issues has always been embarrassing lol. You know what is not embarrassing? Husbands. And again, the people with the highest marriage rates and lowest divorce rates are educated and middle class or higher. Women are not tying their identity to having a boyfriend/man in her life, but most women are still ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:30 PM
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The future of dating is casual and sugar only if you're some low rent poor. The entire world is ran by married people and is optimized for married people, often with families/kids, and will continue to be. The people who are choosing marriage are educated, middle class and up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:19 PM
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The govt already gives money to people who cannot provide for their kids. It’s not everything, as parents are expected to also contribute. Child support is also based on income and net resources so if some guy cannot afford a pitifully small amount of money on his kid(s), he’s basically a waste of societal space lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 04:57 PM
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Yeah I dunno I was bullied by boys my entire youth for being a fatty uggo. They would dare each other to ask me out and then laugh about it when I got hurt by it. Then I was cheated on by my first bf who, when caught, told me I was too fat to be loved by anyone else lol. So I can understand having poor experiences with the opposite sex, but what I did not do was get online and spew toxicity about it, and I certainly would not have expected men to be nice to me if I was in some online place sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 03:46 PM
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Yeah, women who go around spewing vitriol directed toward men reap what they sow. People look at her poorly, men do not want to date her, men will not offer her sympathy or want to give her advice. Those are perfectly reasonable responses to her behaving that way. Are you going to link me that post or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 11:44 PM
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I mean, duh. She hates men and decides to express that publicly in mixed gender spaces, men will not offer her sympathy. They’ll either completely ignore her at best, as they should, or call her a used up whore if she says something bad enough. You still have not linked that post or the comments you are so adamant on discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:43 PM
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Yeah idc why people get into toxic mindsets. I think they reap what they sow if they choose to behave that way. If people no longer want to be kind toward them, that is a perfectly reasonable response even if it’s understood why that person is toxic. Like, I understand why some men are really bitter and DM me that they hope I get raped and assaulted. Does it make me care about them and make me want to help them? No it does not. That man could disappear off PPD forever, he could suffer from lifel…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:06 PM
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And yet in your own OP you are talking about “why aren’t women helping to reverse a man’s toxic mindset” lol. Why do you think? Do you think people are rushing to help others who display toxicity and meanness? If you’ve ever been to r/kitchencels, which is literally just incels posting food, OTHER INCELS are there dogging on the worst incels who do some really stupid stuff. They straight up ask each other at which age they were diagnosed with autism, why they are like that, etc. The most recent …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 09:50 PM
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There are tons of spaces on Reddit where people can go to get advice, real advice. From men, even, but also women. Positive spaces. PPD is not one of those spaces. Outside of “advice” subreddits, why should women be interested in helping men who are strangers? I mean, to put in perspective, seeking personal advice is explicitly against the rules of PPD for example. And yet men do this anyway, they come here and then cry about how women here aren’t interested in helping them. Why would anybody in…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 09:28 PM
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If she genuinely hates men then chances are she does not have male friends. Like, she may hang out in mixed gender groups, but her actual friends are female. She would consider those men as acquaintances.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 09:18 PM
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This question is overly broad. Do women “sometimes” do this? I’m sure you can find an example of a woman who ends things over one seemingly small mishap. On the other hand, I don’t think most women would burn the house down over it either. The common trope is that women work in a relationship for a long time trying to make it succeed. And then one day, when she finally throws in the towel, suddenly her husband is like, “Oh no! I’ll finally start going to therapy! I’ll finally start putting thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 09:08 PM
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I think red pill is correct in its assessment of male/female sexual nature. I do not think religious people are correct, and they do not share the evo-psych beliefs of red pill. Moreover, red pill does not moralize male and female nature. They are seen as just things that “are,” similar to how it is a carnivore’s nature to predate herbivores, and herbivore’s nature to eat plants, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:40 PM
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No, if you can understand what you wrote up above in your post, then you can understand “you” being replaced with “u.”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:31 PM
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U asked me to do my job idk what ur complaining or babbling about The last warning I gave out was to some blue pill woman, and I’m literally flaired red pill - ain’t nobody safe and ur posts are poorly written, what do u want me to say
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:28 PM
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Oh don’t worry, I’m keeping track of how many low effort / non-legible posts you make! 💀😪
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:21 PM
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I am literally begging you to write a single sentence in understandable English. I don’t even know what this title means.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:17 PM
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I’m from some shit ass 3rd world country and was raised in a highly religious background. Countries with a heavy religious culture do not believe in evo-psych red pill beliefs about women. They believe in male leadership and prioritization, but that’s not the same thing. They believe women are lesser, more rebellious than men, and require the guidance of a man otherwise she’ll do something retarded like eat off the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. The poor traits of humanity (disobedience, la…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:10 PM
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Hitting the gym is not core to the red pill. The red pill core are a collection of evo-psych theories about male and female attraction/nature. I guess “take a shower” is core to the red pill too now, since it tells men to be presentable lol. I think almost all men with red pill flairs on this sub need to have them removed except for the select few who actually know what they are talking about. Also red pill theories are mostly observational. It’s not really scientific more than it is philosophic…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:55 AM
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Correct, the red pill mod I am thinking of groups black pill in with blue, and I think that's a fair assessment. It's like... "red pill is cope, just accept defeat" almost like blue pill with a negative lens lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 12:23 AM
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How is that weird, she is sharing her observations of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 09:56 PM
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Islam is not red pill, they are trad con and rapists. Latin American men ARE red pill because their countries are sexually liberated (at least Brazil).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 07:32 PM
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Red pill is also confined to western, English speaking countries because it’s a set of prescriptions for men to navigate post-sexually liberated women, built upon evo-psych theories about male and female heterosexuality. Some shit ass 3rd world country doesn’t need the red pill because their women are not sexually freed, duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 06:42 PM
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Again, read what I said about there being people who reject the red pill / think it’s cope but also think women are shallow opportunists like men. They’re just as much blue pill as the women are wonderful people. There is no set belief system for blue pill other than “reject the red pill.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 06:35 PM
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"Getting in good shape and dressing more stylishly" is not the red pill advice here. This existed outside of the red pill and is seen as common sense. That would be like saying "Take a shower" is red pill because it encourages men to be presentable lol. What IS red pill is the evo-psych beliefs that that prescriptions are built upon. And if you haven't taken this pill, if you don't believe in those theories, then you are simply blue pill. Hence, anything that is not the red pill is just blue pil…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:51 PM
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Even as a figure of speech it doesn’t work. Because what he is a slave to isn’t women. He’s a slave to his own libido and apparent lack of sexual control.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:18 PM
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Ok when you say are slave to someone/something, it means that other person is in control of you. Women are not controlling men, they don’t care about manipulating some guy who wants sex because chances are, she doesn’t wanna fuck him lol. What he is a slave to is his own libido, and apparently this man has zero ability to exercise self control. So he is a slave to HIS OWN sex drive and retardation. Not women. You are arguing 2 different points— arguing that men view sex is a big deal does not su…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:09 PM
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Paying for it is not being a slave to women. Women are not making him cough up the money—prostitutes do not give a flying fuck whether he seeks her services or not. The “payment” is dating and spending time with women? You expect women to just… open their legs because you want them to? Like you want women agree to have sex with you without having to get to know her or flirt with her or anything? Lol. Yeh, I’d like a billion dollars and a 10,000 sq ft mansion, won’t someone give it to me for FREE…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:01 PM
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I mean yeh that is your prerogative, but the OP is acting like men have no willpower to control themselves lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:54 PM
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He has access to nut tho. He has to pay a fee for it, but nobody is denying him the goods. If I am obsessed with the newest iPhone, am I slave to Apple and its major retailers because I am obsessed with the phone? Of course not. If I considered myself a slave to it, I’d have to be brain dead, retarded, or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:47 PM
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Sex basically makes men slaves to women Bro can pay for a prostitute or escort if he’s looking to nut. He’s a slave to no one. Idk why the comparisons men make about themselves are always to something appallingly horrific and on an entire different scale, like slavery or rape (“divorce rape”). Just earlier, we had some guy claim that doing his part to clean the house and raise his kids was “being a slave” looool. Anyway, I don’t think it’s anyone’s business to say whether sex is a big deal or no…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:43 PM
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In my opinion, it’s a useless exercise to pin down what blue pill means, and I kinda laugh at the red pill guys who insist it means something. “The Blue Pill” only came about as a satirical counter to r/TheRedPill, and you’ll find a lot of different beliefs from lib fem to rad fem, people who believe in self improvement but none of the evo-psych red pill stuff, people who think gendered human behavior can’t (and/or shouldn’t) be grouped into patterns, people who think dating is entirely vibes an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:37 PM
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Definitionally, blue pill is anything that’s not red. One of the other red pill mods here (male) considers blue pill as encompassing no pill as well as all other pills—they are all some variation of “blue” because they’re not red. And I think I agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:02 PM
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Personally I think males are biologically wired for violence against those who are not his kin, his tribe, and I think this mildly confirmed by the multitudes of men who experience visceral disgust at the thought of helping to raise/spending resources on another man’s child. Male chimpanzees engage in infanticide as well, so I am not convinced that human males wouldn’t/haven’t done this. Like I said earlier, I think male-ensured paternity matters because of property and inheritance (aside from j…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 07:40 PM
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I said this in a later comment, but males are dangerous and possessive, and they would engage in infanticide if women just shared themselves around with another apex man. Violence is biologically encoded in males and no one will convince me differently. Given how violent men are, it’s in women’s best interest to choose one man who will invest in their children, use his violent tendencies to protect them, and he gets ensured paternity. The reason why I don’t believe women would all just choose Je…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:26 PM
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“Not just” = I clarified what I meant by this following that, that monogamy is a preferred mating strategy for child survival and ensured paternity. Your inane blabber about what I did or did not intend is clearly right there in my initial comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:12 PM
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Omg please reread what I said. “Monogamy isn’t JUST socially enforced” = it was and still is socially enforced and upheld as a legal and cultural marital norm. But it’s not JUST that. Please, I am begging you, READ.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:07 PM
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I did not say it was not enforced. I said it “wasn’t just” socially enforced, meaning there are additional factors that influence men’s and women’s want for monogamy. Reading is hard I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:59 PM
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Idk why you’re talking about looks when the commenter above you was talking about disposition and personality lol. I’m a woman, hahaha. Sorry that I’m right.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:21 PM
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You realize r/RedPillWomen is what I am talking about, correct? People do not just go to a community unless they identify with that community. It would be like saying red pill guys can be red pill without believing in TRP. Lol. RPW literally takes the stance of being anti-feminist. All of this is inane blabber by you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:46 PM
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I think they are evolutionarily relevant! We see it's common in mammals, other primates even, that new incoming male mates engage in infanticide of the previous mate's offspring. So I think monogamy on that front is a protective strategy given that humans females invest have a relatively long gestation period, and then a very long child rearing period. But on the social front, the Neolithic revolution (which is still like thousands of years long even) marked the transition from hyper-cooperative…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:35 PM
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Red Pill Women do not make up a nebulous cloud of women. Red Pill Women are specifically heterosexual monogamous women, either anti-feminist or feminist-neutral women who believe in red pill evo-pysch concepts like 80/20, hypergamy, male dominance, etc. The fact that you participate on this subreddit and don't know this tells me all I need to know about your lack of care and knowledge on red pill. Please remove your flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:20 PM
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I am really possessive so this wouldn't work. Also you're discounting that monogamy isn't just socially enforced. It's a mating strategy that, imo, evolved for women to ensure male investment and higher chance of their kids survive, and for men to ensure paternity. It's not just, like, some religious guy said we had to enforce monogamy lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:03 PM
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There is a theory from Red Pill Women that goes like this: Imagine women and men on two separate scales that order us 1-10 on how dominant/authoritative our dispositions are. Women at the lower end of that scale tend to also have a lower tolerance for dominance/authority in men, meanwhile women at the higher end of this scale have a higher tolerance for dominance/authority in men. Less dominant/masculine men do get chosen by women, but it is by heterosexual women who are on the lower end of her …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 02:08 PM
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Masculine men do not like psychologically feminine women. When was the last time you saw some biker guy go to his local Presbyterian church to wife up a sniveling, demure, easy-crier of a wife? Lollll. Masculine men may choose women who LOOK feminine but have personality traits connected to authority and dominance themselves. It’s just that he will always be more dominant/authoritative than her. Non-dominant/beta men choose more psychologically feminine women. These women, tend to have a much lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:26 PM
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This man should be given a free pass to shut the fuck up and never speak again lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 10:51 PM
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Different ways! A combination of spontaneous verbal appreciation like telling him I appreciated him, thanking him for being in my life, or commenting on his work or things he did for our household; initiating sex despite having responsive desire myself; trying to make his (our) life easier since his career was more stressful than mine; and gift giving in turn. When he bought a new car, I bought luxury floor mats for it. I also bought relatively expensive items for his hobbies. I am not the perfe…
/r/RedPillWomen04/02/26 04:11 PM
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I don't have valuables into the six figures, but I did have a previous partner contribute a sizeable amount of money for my education, and also for a new car. Aside from this, I've been gifted jewelry. My honest answer is that I've never had another man ask about them. Not the car, not the jewelry. I mean, a woman having jewelry and driving a new car is not really suspect given that women afford these things or save up for them on our own anyway. I have a friend who is upper class, and she just …
/r/RedPillWomen04/02/26 03:39 PM
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The sight of a woman getting real pleasure turns me on, none of this male gaze-y choking on dick shit, or awkward angles that would never actually feel good in real life. That said, I don't seek out or watch female solo masturbation because I'm not interested in women. But also, I don't watch porn cause it does very little for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 01:33 AM
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I will be 100% real with u chief - I am not seeing the connection between these two things. Rapists, groomers and pedos are bad because they violate consent. Everyone universally agrees they are bad. If you're watching porn behind your partner's back then yes that violates the communicated boundaries, but most women have just accepted that men watch porn and will never stop watching porn. Also, like... hypothetically if you watch porn with your partner, or you both agree porn is fine, then there…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 09:47 PM
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Well I do not believe in multi-dating or seeing someone while also having sex with someone else, so ofc I would break things off. I don't think that the outlook of "I wait when it's someone I want to get romantically involved with" is unhealthy per se, because I know both women AND men who wait for sex when it's a serious relationship. I think it's just different, though not something I have experienced. As I understand, there is something more vulnerable about having sex with someone when there…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 09:35 PM
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Yeah this is the entire reason I don’t understand Lilith posts like this. She treats it like some moral failure that people want their romantic partner to desire both sex AND companionship equally. I don’t want the man I’m dating to prioritize one over the other, because I also prioritize them equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 06:04 PM
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When you get long-term partnered or married, you stop doing single ppl shit and thus have more downtime. Being on PPD or any other subreddit, or even social media, is not about having a better day. It's about passing time engaging in something that interests you, and in this case it's dating dynamics. Talking about things that interest you has nothing to do with hiding behind a screen. Dating dynamics has been the interest of older partnered women since time immemorial (given they were often mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:32 PM
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But that is not what the OP is asking. So you are all actually not answering her question lol. Her question is “What do women do about the loss in attraction?” and this is independent of her locking down a man early if, according to red pill, even her husband will find her less attractive after 25. She might as well expect to be divorced after 25 because that man’s value goes up into his 30s (presuming he goes on the expected life track of career advancement etc.), which means he has even more l…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:36 PM
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So, I am asking what the cock carousel has to do with men no longer finding women attractive past a certain age, and what women can do about this. The loss in attraction exists either way, regardless of whether you were promiscuous in your youth or not, and OP is asking “What can women do about this?” The answer is nothing, women can do nothing. The loss in physical attraction is an AMALT concept, reiterated over and over again by red pill theory about 1) male attraction and 2) male polygyny. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:23 PM
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Considering the amount of honest, average, hard working men who comment publicly on young womens’ Tik Toks and Instagrams, I don’t think this issue is limited to just Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:32 PM
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Sure I have. Just like I have heard of men going through midlife crises and wanting the attention of younger (and thus more attractive) women. And men who cheat on their wives with the young secretary / maid / nanny / coworker / whoever. Given that red pill theory states that men are naturally polygynous and crave sexual variety, I am asking the commenter above me what the cock carousel has to do with men’s natural loss in attraction even to his wife, and continuous attraction in younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:22 PM
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The CC is sort of irrelevant since OP is talking about “aging out” of men’s preferences, which happens even while in a relationship or married. E.g. a woman can marry her high school sweetheart and she will still experience the loss in attractiveness—even to her husband—once she is past 30/35/whatever age she hits the wall. So her question is what do women do about this since this is inevitable, no matter what activities you engage in while young.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:05 PM
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The sub is not built to offer a platform of these women. Most women who are on this sub are partnered or married. This sub was built for debate about pill topics and dating topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 12:55 PM
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Iunno I had one guy very briefly touch my shoulder, give me a smile, and apologize politely as he squeezed to walk behind me during a mutual friend’s birthday dinner. Idk what it was about the physical contact that made him suddenly more desirable. Another guy who I had previously known to be kind of reserved, started making jokes/making me laugh at a get together, and it made him more desirable to me. All the men I have dated or been interested in just looked like average guys on the street, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:19 AM
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Most women end up partnered or married (and so do men), so this is not really a significant problem imo. I don't give a shit to call out some delusional woman online, she'll just be some unlovable sad sack whining about how there are no attractive men, and frankly, everyone should stop giving these women attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:26 AM
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What I am explaining to you is that traditionalism is not just "good" or "bad"; there are obviously good and bad traits associated with traditional values. Traditionalism exists on a scale and always will. A man who exhibits traditional values under historically gendered norms is not a traditional man or a modern man. He is a blend of the two. A "modern" partner would be some like transgender, androgynous presenting, ethically non-monogamous, child-free partner, as those are all progressive/non-…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 09:51 PM
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Uhhh did you read my comment? I associate some aspects of traditional masculinity with safety and comfort Traditional values also means the nuclear family, community over individualism, cultural heritage, long-standing societal norms including gender norms. You are acting like "traditional" only means abuse. Why are you doing that? This is such strange behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 09:39 PM
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The women who want protective husbands (like me) are aware that this comes with less freedom. The degree of restriction is discussed, and does not mean it's abusive. Everyone puts up boundaries in a relationship, and part of finding a compatible spouse means finding one who keeps to your boundaries, just like you keep to theirs. There are lots of men (and women) who were raised with traditional values, they keep some and discard some, so idk why you are treating this like an all or nothing thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 09:33 PM
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I associate some aspects of traditional masculinity with safety and comfort, qualities usually associated with being a good husband and father. It's also important to note that when women look for traditional-leaning men, they aren't talking about looking for wife abusers. They're looking to keep the aspects of traditionalism they like, and discard the ones they don't like. Just like the kind of men who look for traditional-leaning women in that they make good home makers and mothers, but these …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 09:20 PM
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Right. I can sort of speak to this. I’ve only ever dated in my social circles. On paper, I’ve thought some men had potential as LTRs, and then I go on 1-2 dates with them and there’s no spark. I dated “for marriage,” and that also included not multi-dating, but I cannot say I’ve only had one life partner because part of vetting extends into an established relationship. I mean, there is no way around that. You cannot know how long-term behaviors manifest unless you are with that person long-term.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 08:46 PM
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I literally do not know a single person, even in my grandparents’ generation, who married the first person they dated. Or well, in that generation and culture, it wasn’t modern perceptions of dating, but it was courtship. Zero women married the first man who courted her. Not my great-grandma, not my grandma, not my mom, not any of my great-aunties. One of my best friends married her high school sweetheart, and even then she had high school crushes/kisses/a couple “boyfriends” (y’know like 1-2 mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 08:29 PM
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What does his height and looks have to do with him being full of shit. Personal attacks are against the subreddit rules, also.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:38 AM
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Why do you say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:36 AM
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Not ableism bc major mental health problems cause strain in a relationship. OP did not say they don’t deserve love, but that it’s a red flag, and it is. The depressed person is likely to pull less weight in the relationship, on top of having decreased libido, and if they are on SSRIs you basically have no sex life. That is a a major red flag if you want to have a future with someone, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:43 AM
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Why do you guys try to get hard and fast formulas…? There is no one singular thing that is a foolproof, “If she does this, she’s attracted to you” signal. You have to look at behaviors as a whole, all of them together. Especially since sometimes, women who are open sociosexuality can have sex with some average guy or even an uggo just because he’s there. Like she sleeps with him quickly or even has a hookup with him bc he drove her home or she wanted a dick appointment lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:35 AM
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The funniest part to me is that this is exactly what it sounds like given this poster never engages with their own debate threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 02:02 PM
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It’s like you guys never learned this in your required social science course in school. Your social class is not just your income. It comes with a set of beliefs, mannerisms, worldview, values, etc. that have observed differences class to class. It’s why middle class women can marry an upper class man, but she’ll never be considered “one of them.” Their child will be upper class, but she will never be.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 01:18 PM
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All my medical staff have been great. The last surgical procedure I had, it was on my birthday and I had cookies, a fruit and vegetable platter, and a cake delivered to my care team. My nurse anesthetist was hilarious and joked about giving me a “birthday cocktail” of sleepy drugs. Even my regular internist and gynecology provider are super sweet and gentle.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:37 PM
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Yes, you can expect that your partner has sex with you. How much sex is really a compatibility issue—if you want it more often than them (or vice versa), you simply aren’t compatible. Also, no one expects you to fully provide in a relationship if you are working/middle class and you date other working/middle class women. The expectation is that both partners financially contribute to living expenses and the home. You do, in fact, view sex as transactional, so stop saying you don’t. Your desire t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:08 AM
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I don’t really think about dick size in that way. To me it’s like, either the sex is good or bad, so what I hope for is for the sex to be good, not a particular size.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 04:02 AM
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Nonverbal language is clear communication to me, but I’m also not autistic so YMMV. Like, I’ve never had a problem understanding when someone is put off, happy, excited, sad, etc. just by their facial expressions and body language. I’ve had problems speaking to people but that’s because I’m halfway ESL, lol. I’ve gone on dates with autistic men, and dated an autistic man, and what I have noticed is that they are actually bad at communicating themselves. Like, they have sensory issues which can m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:08 PM
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Gynarchy, but not the serious kind, the meme kind where men are basically work animals who are chained to the basement. They get wifi to make money for the house, 3 bathroom breaks a day, and get milked when women want babies. But seriously, I actually don’t think about the patriarchy. I work, hang out with my partner, crochet, and get on PPD sometimes. Got other more immediate stuff to worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:28 PM
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None of you argue hypergamy from the red pill definition so this is all meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:11 PM
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I mean, yeah he would be, because the traits that are associated with him being a good person are not that he’s a millionaire with a mansion, it’s that he very clearly respects his wife and adores his children. Most men are not providers and have not been for decades, and women are still dating them. The average man has no pressure to be a provider given that women want to have a degree of financial independence, and the expectation is that both partners work and financially contribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:39 PM
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Who said anything about winning? Why are you making up arguments in your head instead of focusing on the OP? This is such strange behavior. Nothing I said even remotely touches on the pills. Red pill is an evo psych theory about male and female attraction, and has nothing to do with what people mean when they bring up male models like Pedro Pascal, Gomez Adams, and Aragorn lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:32 PM
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This is not an accurate reading of what I said. People pick celebrities and fictional characters because they are cultural relevant that most people know. If I said “my pastor,” nobody knows who the fuck I’m talking about. I do not think most men are like this, and typically the context of people bringing up “good” role models is as a counter to “bad” role models like Andrew Tate and the disgusting weirdos from Fresh & Fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:36 PM
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So I have to ask a very serious question here. Typically when people talk about celebrities or fictional characters being role models, they are talking about specific displays of traits that can be extrapolated to the average person. Such as being a trans ally (Pascal), a loving husband (Adams), or a non-tyrannical leader (Aragorn). They’re not telling you that you have to be a king or an award-winning actor in order to be a good person, lol. Do you not recognize that? Your point about these men…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:41 PM
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Because it’s wrong to deceive people about your feelings for them, just to get money/material items?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:48 PM
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"Best" is subjective. Can that man live with it weighing on his conscience? Like, if I wanted an easy life I could get a bunch of simps and have them do stuff for me or buy stuff for me. The thing stopping me is my morals and the sense that it's wrong; it would make me feel like shit. So, ya know, I guess it's the best option for men who have no internal moral guidance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:30 PM
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You literally are justifying it in your post, that it is okay for society to treat men worse because of violent crime statistics… On top of this, you asked a question as if I am supposed to treat men as if they are violent, which is what you are justifying in your post lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:47 PM
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It’s like you’re running into the point headfirst over and over again. It’s not okay to treat black people monolithically as dangerous despite being overrepresented in violent crime statistics, so why do we justify doing that to men? I have no idea if some rando dude at the grocery store is violent, and chances are he’s not lol. He’s just some normal person. Why should I treat him like he’s violent? Like in my experience, men are also the most likely to randomly help me in public places. It does…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:21 PM
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Yeah I’m not sure I will be getting spared if I decide to walk through crime-heavy minority populated areas just because I’m not the same race as them lol. I did read your post. You are using violent crime statistics to justify that women are rightfully treated better than men, which is your right to think that, but the average random man is statistically not going harm a woman like that. And, I assume by “society treats men worse” you are referring to the fact that men are viewed like violent p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:54 PM
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Statistically, should I then choose to live in white UMC neighborhoods, send my kids to majority white schools, and not associate with black people, poor people, clutch my purse around the homeless, etc? If the overwhelming majority of men are not criminals, just treat men normally lol. I mean I get women being on guard when alone around strangers who are male, but it doesn’t mean you have to treat them poorly per se.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:08 PM
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I don’t get this question. Realistically, who is asking women to do this en masse? Who has ever told you that you need to date a man who brings no value to you, aside from like the 2% of men who are disgusting violent incels? So find a man who pulls his weight, there are tons out there lol. Find a man who brings value to your life in whatever way that means to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 03:59 AM
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Oh haha it’s you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 07:13 PM
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I do not know if I really "long" for any kind of response from men here, but then again I generally believe in red pill concepts. When I do argue with men here, it's because of things unrelated to pill beliefs, like my personal experiences or broadly feminism. On occasion I have argued with "red pill" men over red pill beliefs, but generally you see this divide anyway between "old" red pill and "new" red pill. Most of my interactions on PPD have been positive, though I've gotten my fair share of…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 02:44 PM
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Trans women literally exist and prove my point over and over since they are the biggest performers of manufactured femininity lol, some of the biggest followers of gendered behaviors and gendered norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:51 PM
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In both cases it sorta came up naturally as we flirted and talked. Like, in one case trading music memes turned into trading dating memes, and from there we would pepper in questions about dating experiences or how we treated looking for partners. I wouldn’t recommend people just straight up asking out of the blue. It can definitely seem a little socially unpracticed if done that way. You just have to ease into the topic, and also the whole time we were flirting, so it wasn’t some weird interrog…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:06 AM
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Yeah I slept with one on date #2 (though I gave him head on the first date lol), and the other on date #3. I did not consider them committed, exclusive relationships at that point, but I did also vet for some things during the “talking” stage. Like I knew they were also looking for committed relationships, did not believe in multi-dating around, and had evidence of some qualities I wanted in a potential partner such as beginning their career, and a few political things we touched on while talkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:42 AM
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So then you conform to the gender you identify with, so as to be perceived as a woman? Like, you perform gender-conforming femininity? And you agree that men want to date you because you look like a woman as opposed to a man? Lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 12:00 AM
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This is a really important comment. Sexual intimacy is a part of emotional maintenance and mutual attraction in a relationship, and usually we associate this desire with men, but clearly from r/deadbedrooms, women also consider sex important within a relationship. You can look for a relationship and also look for sexual compatibility as one factor, which a lot of people—not just men—look for. I slept with my boyfriends early, however, I was also looking for a relationship and I was doing this as…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 11:48 PM
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Someone linked a survey to you already. The reality is that most people do not want to date non-binary or transgender individuals. Either because of gender non-conformance or they have the wrong set of genitals. If you think most men would be attracted to and willing to date a woman who presents herself as a man, I'm not sure what reality you are living in.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:23 PM
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Imo, I count big tits (or having tits) as feminine, I count female body/facial ratios as part of feminine features. That isn't to say there aren't men who like the opposite in a woman, but it's much rarer than men who like women looking like women (or women liking men who look like men).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:56 PM
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I never said there weren't. However I am looking at the overall pattern, the overall majority. The vast majority of men do not want to date a woman who looks like a man, or vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:50 PM
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This question relies on the assumption that dating can even work without gender norms, and I don't think it can. Humans are a dimorphic species, and part of our gender norms are based on these biological differences that influence what we find feminine or masculine. For better or worse, men tend to be attracted to women who present feminine (to whatever this degree matters to him), and women tend to be attracted to men who present masculine (to whatever degree this matters to her). What most fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:08 PM
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I can find a man good looking without wanting to date him or wanting to have sex with him. These things are not the same to me. If I get the sense that this man is passive/not assertive, it kills any existing attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 02:53 PM
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Everyone and their mom knows you can take a look at violent crime rates and see that men,as a social group, are worse in that regard. However we also see that men tend to be more varied as a group than women are, probably due to higher aggression, assertiveness, risk taking… So while you have more sociopathic, criminal, violent, and dangerous men, it’s also men who occupy the opposite extreme. They occupy a larger share of highest IQ, larger share of leadership (and frankly, desire to be in lead…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:28 AM
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I do not find men attractive when I have to approach them. His assertiveness is something I vet for, and that includes him making a move. That’s me being honest in why I don’t approach men. Men can choose to believe this or not, but either way he’s not getting approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:16 AM
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Why are you flaired red pill man if you believe this?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 01:12 AM
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Best partner. I’m a woman. Men don’t wife up their best lays just because they’re good lays. They choose life partners based on a balance of factors that include sex, but also count other life-buildable factors. I’d rather be the balance. A man wanting me in his life just because I’m his best sex also means he will leave me once the sex is no longer the best (after kids, when you get old, when he decides he wants younger pussy, etc.) Nothing of substance to continue that relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 03:55 PM
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I don’t friendzone men—when they make their intentions known, I give them space. I don’t expect them to stay friends with me, nor do I expect them to give me attention. That being said, I don’t know anyone who pays attention to the dating lives of men she rejected. Like, I legit wouldn’t know any of the other girls they attracted. I didn’t even know how most of the girls looked for my actual boyfriends LMAO.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 04:07 AM
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What about my response is not kind? I understand why they do it, I am just disagreeing with the OP that it is society pressuring men to choose women they don't like. Wanting to experience something human only works if you love your partner and they love you back. If a man doesn't want to be with that woman, he's not experiencing the joy of a relationship, he's just making himself miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 08:07 PM
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I am missing additional context such as how you speak about obese women - this is like the difference between men saying, “I don’t want to date a woman with kids because I don’t want the responsibility,” vs. men saying, “Single mothers are fucking hoes who got knocked up by Chad probably and spread their legs for the wrong man.” The former is fine, the latter is an indicator that this man is not a nice person. However I’ll go with the assumption that you are normal about voicing your preferences…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:31 PM
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I mean past a certain age women get the side eye for being perpetually single. It’s still seen as strange, though not necessarily being a loser, I agree with you. That being said, it’s still not society pressuring men to be in relationships with a woman he doesn’t like. That’s (some) men believing he must choose unhappiness because he cannot get anything else. Edit: also if you are intending to debate this, I will change the flair to Debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:26 PM
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Society pressures men (and women) to be in relationships because it’s seen as the next step of adulthood. Marriage, family life, etc. The whole world is run by married people and always will be. As far as with women they don’t want to truly be with? No. Day in and day out, people tell men to not be so desperate, to raise their standards. But then it is always men who come back and say, “Men cannot afford to be picky, they take what they can get.” The issue there is not society, it’s just male de…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:18 PM
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I mean it depends on the degree to which this person is a piece of shit. It’s not uncommon to see a person or people in a friend group stop inviting someone else because of their poor behavior. If you’re (general you) a piece of shit and people stop associating with you or treat you poorly back, that’s basically expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:12 PM
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This is not a woman thing. It’s human. In UX we both observe and interview - often, users will describe how they use a product or what frustrates them about it, and then when we observe it turns out their usage is completely different. Or what they thought frustrated them wasn’t actually the problem, but something else. It’s like when men go “Ew I hate makeup on women” but then they salivate over women like Belle Delphine—I don’t think men are “lying” necessarily, but I think they associate make…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:20 PM
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u/Crazy_Kray you have a history of not participating in your own debates. You must part participate in them and argue your claim with those who disagree, otherwise your post will be removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:19 PM
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Hahahaha see? Nothing to back up your shitty ass claim. LOLL.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 04:06 PM
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You are making up arguments in your head because you don’t know how to debate. I said: you made the affirmative claim here, so the onus is ON YOU to show how women are bad at filtering. Please tell us: - what traits women filter for - what evidence you have that women filter for these traits - the prevalence of women choosing these traits (e.g. frequency chosen, % of female population that chooses these traits, etc.) - what choosing for “good traits” would actually look like Until then, crazed r…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 04:04 PM
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There is no assumption either which way. However YOU are making an affirmative claim in this thread, so YOU have to present evidence to back that claim. Otherwise there is nothing to debate. You can say there are apes on Venus, and I say there aren’t. Now what? That’s not a debate. You are not explaining what the “bonkers metrics” are, what successful filtering looks like to provide a comparison to bad filtering, or anything that allows people to understand how survivorship bias supports your af…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:54 PM
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If you say there are apes on Venus, you have to present evidence backing that there are apes on Venus (e.g fossils, bones, fur, habitat suitable for apes, perhaps an actual ape on Venus). You are not providing any evidence in this debate that women willingly choose bad men or are otherwise bad at filtering. Until you do, this is all just the crazed ramblings of a mad man, and there’s nothing to debate here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 03:46 PM
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The literal data shows that the average age gap is 2.3 years, the average marriage age is 27 and 29, and that most people marry in their socioeconomic bracket. So no, given that data, MOST women are not chasing lifestyle and money. This is what happens when pill shit rots the brain. You end up believing most women are chasing yacht parties and Dubai trips lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 02:09 PM
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The average marriage age for women is 27, and 29 for men. People date for 2-5 years before marriage. Most people partner up in their socioeconomic bracket. So no, most women are not prostitutes when they are partnering with men at their life level. The average woman is literally building a life with a man before they get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 05:49 AM
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The joke is actually grounded in reality when you have men in this very sub saying women should have sex with them to solve male loneliness. And that suggestion IS absurd, no one should entertain it seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 05:43 AM
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I am saying your comment still does not explain what you wrote in your OP because they are basically contradictory statements. Bringing something to the table absolutely means emotional affection (to the levels that a person needs in a relationship), sex (as sex is not owed to anyone in relationship) and particularly the kind of sex that men want and the frequency that they want it. Cooking, cleaning, expecting women to do “womanly” things. Men expect these things to be built into woman and thus…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:19 AM
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Okay you understand you literally said, and I quote: men are the only ones who are expected to bring something to the relationship How can you then say that men actually do expect things from relationships? Edit your OP then. What you “actually mean” is nothing close to what you said in your OP. What you mean to say is that (some) men navigate dating from a place of scarcity and feel pressured to prove his worth in a relationship. Not that women are not expected to bring anything to a relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:06 AM
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Man, what kind of low-standard men do you know in your life? All the men I know in my personal life expected the bare minimum and beyond because they vetted for maximum compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:51 AM
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People don’t typically use intellectualism to reject people. 9/10 times when someone is rejecting someone else, they say stuff like “I don’t see this working out” or they just stop responding and things die away. The only time people use intellectualism is when they’re talking about preferences in a place like PPD, analyzing what triggers the disgust response. I’m not sure I even agree with the premise of this post, that this kind of thing even happens in the context you say it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:32 PM
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The sex should always be free unless you’re a hooker lol. Being attracted to someone is literally free.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 01:17 PM
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I cannot relate to this feeling. In the real world—the outside world—there are no “blue pill” or “red pill” women. You don’t know how any of their dating lives are. You are making assumptions about them without actually knowing them. To be very clear, dating someone higher (by income) is not what makes a relationship red pill. There are PLENTY of examples on this subreddit alone where women make the higher income, but the relationship dynamic is male-led and traditionally oriented. I would say m…
/r/RedPillWomen12/01/26 01:23 PM
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I mean, hey, if you think the shoe fits… Like I said earlier, weirdo behavior is weird. Anyway, do you have a rebuttal against your incorrect assumption? Because invalidation of experience is actually against the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 09:25 PM
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Let me help you: it’s exceedingly weird to assume things about the lives of people you don’t know. It’s hella weird. “You” is a general you referring to “men who do that” because there are so many on this subreddit who do this. But I suppose this is just a man-on-PPD thing. Can’t expect much more out of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 09:19 PM
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Huh? I enjoy doing gender roles that aren’t for my benefit, and I do them out of love for my bf because I like to see him happy. You weirdos always assume shit, it’s kooky as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 09:13 PM
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So pick any other gender roles. Women—working women mind you—still do the majority of daily household tasks, household management, cooking, etc. Nobody ever gets rid of every gender role for the simple fact that most women enjoy presenting feminine, and most men enjoy presenting masculine. It is up to everyone to pick and choose which gender roles they want to participate in, and that includes men proposing to women. If you have to beg a woman to marry you as you propose, that relationship is al…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 06:06 PM
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I don’t want to propose for the simple reason that I enjoy (some) gender roles. Motherhood and making babies and being the main caregiver of that baby is a gender role, and yet most men are not rushing to abolish that either, nor are they searching for a way for men to gestate and birth children. So in short: I will consider proposing the day men can gestate and birth children.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 05:56 PM
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I don’t use the last two so nothing much would change in that aspect. I have PCOS so birth control actually helps me regulate my cycles. Without it, I only menstruate 3-4 times a year. Children are harder to conceive, naturally, and it puts me at higher risk for uterine cancer. I’d also have painful cysts that grow on my ovaries, which would then have to be surgically removed. In short, I would live in a lot of pain. That sucks. I don’t understand the question about balancing finances with sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 05:35 PM
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I am not breaking any rules. There are no attacks, there’s no incivility—I’m expressing disbelief at the assertion that wanting financial stability in a partner is equivalent to prostitution. Also, I’m a literal moderator of this subreddit LMAOOO.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 09:46 PM
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No, because I DO spend lots of money on my man, and I wanted a partner who felt the same way about gifting and enjoying a certain quality of life (while also maintaining financial responsibility). I expect my life partner to share the same life goals, and also share values around generosity, what love means, and how to show that love. I’m not poor, and I don’t believe in endlessly hoarding money until I’m old and have no use for it. I wanted to enjoy life with someone who also wanted to indulge …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 07:05 PM
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Wanting stability in a life partner is prostitution? Are you hearing yourself right now? Relationships, and especially marrying someone and living with them, has to be a realistic choice in addition to the love. Why would I marry someone who will get us into debt or make poor financial decisions, or is not able to contribute to our shared retirement or children’s financial needs? You have sex with them because you are attracted to them. You build a life with them because they have life-buildable…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:16 PM
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A pick-me is a woman who seeks validation from MEN at the expense of other women. Men, plural. This is important. It’s important because the pick-me desire for male validation doesn’t stop if she gets one simp. She’ll still seek validation from other men. As the saying goes, pick-me girls don’t get picked, and that’s the reason why.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:59 AM
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Men have standards beyond looks, they just don’t realize this about themselves until after he’s gotten in 1 or 2 relationships. That’s what “starter girlfriends” are. She met the looks threshold but then he realizes he actually doesn’t like stuff about her, but he keeps dating her cause he’d rather be in a miserable relationship than no relationship. Also, male attention is just kinda there. It may even be a negative experience. The attention is valued highly if it comes from a man we are intere…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 03:48 AM
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Okay, so you are just restating what I already said: It is your responsibility to find what you want. In my example, my bf is perfectly capable of eating pussy, and perhaps he just does not want to do so with me. The reasoning of why he does not want to is irrelevant to me. It’s my responsibility to leave, divorce, etc. whatever if I’m not satisfied. If you don’t wanna turn some chick on and get her horny for you, then don’t. That’s nobody’s problem but yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 06:34 PM
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Married men have more sex than single men. And personally, in my experience, women do not do nasty degen things with some fling. The fling is normal PIV, sometimes oral, he cums or if you’re lucky, you both cum and that’s it. Every single one of my female friends who talk about going to the sex shop and buying a swing or a fun toy or trying kinky sex, all of them were in committed relationships or married. So AF/BB, while it happens, is not as common as what men here fear it is. Secondly, a man …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 04:35 PM
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Well, I mean, then I guess expressing any opinion over your partner’s behavior is controlling to you. Y’all have fun with that, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 04:16 PM
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If you do not understand that there is a difference between “caring about what I wear and expressing those opinions” and “being controlling” then no one can help you. Have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 02:10 PM
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In what world is it controlling to tell your partner, “Hey this makes me uncomfortable, would you mind changing?” All you people are nuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 02:06 PM
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It would make me FEEL unloved. Surely you understand that feelings are not always a rational thought process. Similar to how a man never giving his wife flowers would make her FEEL unloved even if he loves her dearly. It would make me feel like he does not care about my well being, that he does not care if some other gross m*n macks on me because I went out looking sexy. I want my man to be protective of me, and I do not mind if that includes him having opinions over what I wear. I would feel pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 02:02 PM
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I would feel unloved and uncared for if he did not care what I was wearing. Also that gives me the ick, like I can go out dressed like a hooker and he’s just… okay with that? He’ll let me walk all over him like that? Yuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 01:54 PM
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I am okay with men having some careers available to them that may pay higher due to demand etc., where those fields are male dominated due to biology. Yes. I’m not bugging over linemen and other trades making well over six figures and those being male dominated. Other well paying careers are available to me, and I chose one. Because it wasn’t based on biology lollll.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 12:37 PM
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That is correct. Do you see my flair?? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:21 PM
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These beliefs are not contradictory. Men and women are equal in personhood, but they are not the same. Equality does not mean we have to be the same. Women also have to present feminine, physically and behaviorally, to attract a man. Men also value traditional maternal/feminine qualities in women. Men and women will never be the same, they will never operate the same within attraction, none of that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:22 PM
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Black pill content is defined within our subreddit wiki and rules. You should review them, as this does not violate rules of this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:09 PM
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Yeah, no, the majority of men who join TRP are dissatisfied, evidenced by the fact that they had to tell new joiners to not get stuck in the anger phase. Nothing wrong with that, but it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:20 PM
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By education, women who have completed some college or more (so Associate’s degree and higher) have the highest birth rates, and are the largest share of new mothers by far.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:16 PM
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Educated, meddle class+ women have the highest marriage rates and lowest divorce rates. In fact, divorce rate goes down as level of education goes up. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:01 PM
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Men who join TRP are typically dissatisfied with their dating lives. You don’t really become red pilled if everything is going perfectly. It quite literally is for “average frustrated chumps” (the term used on TRP). Though sometimes you see men join TRP or PPD just because it scratches some itch for curiosity about human sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 12:58 PM
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Male and female attraction operate differently and I am baffled by the amount of you (general) who don’t understand this or refuse to accept this. Even him being the breadwinner is not the attractive part per se. It’s that it shows drive, ambition, competitiveness, assertiveness—traits that women often find attractive in men. They also happen to be traits that men may consider nice to have in a woman, but not necessary to his attraction. Some men even consider those traits a detriment to his att…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 04:18 PM
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Given the amount of times I have seen men do this—and the amount of men even in this thread—who no longer want to be friends with a woman after she rejects him, I cannot believe you in good faith. And I think it is completely normal to end a friendship for any reason at all if someone is uncomfortable, and that includes lack of reciprocation of romantic feelings. If they want to resume the friendship after time and space, that’s cool. But if they don’t, that is also reasonable. I’ve had male fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 02:36 PM
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Completely disagree. The most mature thing is to give another person time and space if you don’t reciprocate their romantic feelings. Why would I still expect or even want my friend to act normally knowing he is hurt by my rejection? It is completely reasonable and normal for one or both people in that scenario to require distance, or even end the friendship entirely. It is normal for him to not want to torture himself by being close to a woman that he pines for; it is normal for her to not want…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 02:21 PM
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I’ve seen it go down a bunch and it was permanently altered. If things aren’t weird and changed for at least a while if one friend confesses romantic feelings, then those romantic feelings mustn’t have been very strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 02:08 PM
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Does not change the fact that distance is needed until you are in a position to either restart the friendship, or let it go completely. The situation is permanently altered when one friend confesses to the other. For whatever reason, OP is not understanding this or pretends not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 01:42 PM
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What do you not get? The worst case scenario is that he pretended to be your friend so that he could date you. The best case scenario is that things are awkward and you have to put distance so he can get over you. Either way, the friendship is over. What’s confusing about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 12:57 PM
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Going to bars and stuff is an immediate turn off, though that isn’t really a hobby and more so just an activity that people do. I don’t really care about the hobbies per se. It’s just that certain hobbies attract certain personalities, and certain personality traits or mannerisms are what I find annoying or a turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 02:21 AM
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I am an active participant in RPW as you can see from my post history. Red Pill Women is not the same as TRP, though the basic principles are the same. Female hypergamy, male polygyny, af/bb, 80/20, the necessity of both alpha and beta traits, etc. I do not argue from a TRP standpoint because I’m not a man looking to spin plates. I’m a woman who values male-led relationships. RPW also discourages women from dating TRP-identifying men. You know, the pill flairs are explained in the side bar/wiki …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 02:10 AM
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Everyone engages in selective traditionalism, not just women. I have asked every boyfriend if they wanted to be proposed to, and they have said no. They actively wanted to do it. My boyfriend wants to lead and I am happy to see him do that. We know that when it’s time to have kids, he actively does not want to be the primary parent (the parent that takes off work and sacrifices their career and whatnot for benefit of the child). But I do. Why do I need to “step up” and change the dating landscap…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 09:27 PM
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Top level comments on Debate posts must disagree with the OP. This is everyone’s final warning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 05:43 PM
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Foreign is not racially charged, it makes a statement about western understanding of dating vs. not. You can be any race and participate in western dating culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 05:40 PM
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Errrr… as a woman from one of the most traveled to countries for passport bro’ing, it’s not as idealistic as you make it sound. Half those dues are, like, old geezers or racists who are racist to the women they’re fucking or even marrying lol. Like, they want a woman who will STFU and do what he says and give him sex. Please 💀💀💀
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 12:02 AM
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This post itself is like… a meta argument about what happens on PPD, and doesn’t actually relate to gender dynamics. But whatever, okay. I’m not sure what we are supposed to necessarily argue, because identity is tied to how people feel, their experiences, and how they perceive others’ tone, language, and attitudes. Man, woman, everyone. It’s kinda like when guys are like, “These fucking single moms trying to find a beta buxx on dating apps, fuck those hoes.” Like, yeah, he didn’t say that about…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 02:12 PM
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He was releasing personal information about people among other things. One of his alts on this subreddit would tell women here that he saved their pictures to jerk off to them. He's a creep and a weirdo.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 01:20 AM
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I am putting this to rest. Now. YuYu has been banned. If you know of any of his other alts, please message Mod Mail or contact me on Discord. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 06:46 PM
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Like I already have to find him somewhat cute or at the very least neutral, with some feature that I find very attractive. Like his eyes or smile or eyebrows or something. It can grow from slight attraction to “this man is so sexy and I want to have sex with him right now.” But it doesn’t really grow from no attraction at all to full attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 06:05 PM
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Yeah I was not saying you are not allowed to, I am saying it is just not relevant to me asking the OP what their stance is lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:06 AM
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“Feminism” “They” Why are you conflating a philosophy and ethical system with some of the people who practice it? Are you not able to separate the two?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:03 AM
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I am not asking your opinion. I am asking the OP to clarify what their stance is because they are responsible for conveying an affirmative statement for people to argue against. They seem to just agree with anything, which is confusing and makes it impossible to know what they truly think.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:00 AM
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Which is not really my problem, to be honest. They have a personal responsibility to seek out reliable information if they want to participate within discourse. I did the same when I looked into the red pill; they can do it with feminism. If they are unwilling to do it, that says more about their personal laziness and lack of intellectualism.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 12:58 AM
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This does not actually add anything to the conversation other than speculating personal attacks about me. One of my minors in undergrad was women’s and gender studies, though I do not personally identify with being a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 12:56 AM
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You: “Not a huge difference” Also you: “I agree that 60% is a large number” Huh? Are you just saying whatever?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:49 PM
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You: “Not a huge difference” Also you: “I agree that 60% is a large number” Huh? Are you just saying whatever?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:48 PM
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Why are these the two options as if women doing any of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:43 PM
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Feminism is a philosophical and ethical theory that the root of female oppression and discrimination comes from hegemonic masculinity, not oppressed “by men.” It’s that male and masculine traits are culturally dominant/valued more, and so people who fall outside of this (women, gay men, trans people, some non-white men), experience discrimination as a result. Important to note that feminism (like, what it is academically and philosophically) does not attack men as a social group, or being a man.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:41 PM
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How is that “funny?” Some qualities are sexually attractive, others not, but that does not mean they don’t matter in a relationship. It would be like if I got mad that some guy doesn’t find my social politeness a turn on. Of course he doesn’t, but that doesn’t mean he wants an impolite, rude woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 10:55 PM
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Yeah I’m from a passport bro country and they are not typically nice men. They are often men who berate women (including the ones who they are fucking in that country), racist (including towards the ones they are fucking in that country), or go to countries where they can fuck teenage girls. One of the most famous passport bros from this subreddit held a girl in Vietnam hostage for hours because he was high on nitrous. He would also say that the girls in Asia that he pumped and dumped, who he ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:41 PM
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You will have to link the legal document to me as well as the translation, since you are the one bringing this up. Please and thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 02:16 PM
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They use words like “paper abortion” and “divorce rape” to emulate feminist talking points, hoping it will get women/the public to be more sympathetic to them on these issues. But instead it makes them look deranged for comparing lack of financial responsibility and divorce to literal horrific bodily trauma of pregnancy and rape. Lollll.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 02:13 PM
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Being robotic and not smiling is a cue for anyone to leave someone else alone. Even outside of romantic contexts. If I’m at a networking event, I promptly shuffle away from people who I think don’t wanna be talked to, and it’s because they’re robotic, not making eye contact, not being warm or having open body language.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 02:04 PM
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There are no laws that discriminate against men in the civilized world. There are practices that do (prison sentencing), but not any laws. Financial abortion is not a thing because tax payers, including responsible men, don’t wanna be paying for some bummy retarded men who just get a bunch of women pregnant but don’t wanna be responsible for their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 01:58 PM
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A good personality means “entertaining to the other individual” - what feels good for the other person. It has never been some objective measure of traits, though commonly includes being entertaining and witty and engaging. I am not sure why you guys autistically pretend like you don’t know how subjective usage works. Either foreign or autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:28 PM
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Correct - that doesn’t mean I think women shouldn’t do those things. I am a 6 figure earner. I just believe in submitting to my man because that’s what works for ME. Other women can make the decisions they want to, as can men. There is nothing wrong with men who want a housewife either. The pill flair has a set meaning on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:19 AM
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Did you read my flair? Lolllll why yall say this shit as if I don’t agree that men can look for housewives and submissive women - I myself submit to my man. Yall look silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:11 AM
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I don’t respect men in a romantic relationship who are passive. End of story.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:58 PM
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Huh?? Most men do not attach respect to assertiveness in women. They couldn’t give a shit if she is or not. It’s not about the actual task of asking out, did you read my comment at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:48 PM
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I’m not attracted to those men. It’s like saying it’s a cop out for you to not date men just because you aren’t attracted to them. Lol Attraction is not negotiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:01 PM
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Then that red pill man is a pussy hahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:59 PM
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Right but if they are like me and do not respect non-assertive men, then that is not a solution for them. They will stay single or become prettier or something or increase their dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:57 PM
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Him asking me out does not require that he cold approached me. No idea where you got that from.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:56 PM
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Ya literally, the red pill literally has a whole HUGE section about game. These dudes need their red pill flair taken away from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:06 PM
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That's not a solution for me. I like assertive men. I do not respect men who aren't assertive in that way. So... I ask some man out and not respect him? Do you think that will set a solid foundation for a good relationship? I have never had a problem with getting men I am attracted to approaching me. And that is the case for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:05 PM
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This is a very lazy debate post that doesn’t elaborate on anything. What is high social status in this context? Low social status guys get laid all the time, i.e servers and cooks working in restaurants all fucking each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:24 PM
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Declining birth rates are not evidence that men and women no longer love each other. It’s evidence that higher education, access to contraceptives, and living in a non-agrarian society leads to not wanting (and not having) 3+ children. Are you okay? Like, do you understand all this?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:54 PM
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Right but that does not refute my point that you can simultaneously want early sex AND a relationship. You are treating them like they’re always separate wants, but they’re not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:34 PM
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You don't know whether you want a relationship with someone if you've been talking to them for a month or close to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:22 PM
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Refusing to be honest and communicative over how you define a relationship, knowing this is different from the norm and the vast majority of people’s understanding, is playing games, yes. Glad you understand that. As always, men are liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 02:37 PM
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So contrary to your initial comment, you do play games, then? LOLLLL.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 02:31 PM
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You can look for instant sex and also want a relationship. Plentyyyyy of people I know fuck early in a relationship. Like between dates 1 and 4, including myself. These things aren’t inherently separate, but it just takes compatibility and the right match of personality type, sexual openness, how quickly you catch feelings, etc. Wanting sex early doesn’t mean you wanted a hookup, that’s absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 02:12 PM
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This is not a good argument. Culturally and colloquially, everyone understands relationship to be something exclusive that includes both sex and romantic feelings, ideally long term. “I wanted just sex and it’s your fault that you didn’t read my mind over what a relationship is” is actually your fault, as it’s up to you to communicate how/why your definition is different from the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 02:05 PM
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Question For WOMEN: You and your bf have always been okay with your best friend hanging out with you guys. Then you notice your best friend is pulling away - she doesn’t ask to hang out as much, she says she’s busy or has plans when you invite her out, etc. In reality it’s because she has a crush on your man; would you want her to be honest about this and tell you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 02:15 AM
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I tolerated red flags from a man who was 5’6” and avg looking, wdym lol. That said, the red flag was never violence or abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 01:03 AM
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whatever u say girl
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:26 AM
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This is a woman larping as a man
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 10:17 PM
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Is it fair for women? Obviously not, you may be interacting with men who are desperately trying to get in your pants not because of lust, but because they need your approval that they are good enough for this world. This is unhinged. This is worse than a man pestering me cause he thinks I'm hot. Like, you're just blatantly admitting that men don't even like women or are attracted to them, they just want to use women as objects to validate himself. This man needs therapy instead of harassing me t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 05:08 PM
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This is not just a Blue Pill thing. The “base male nature” within red pill theory describes them as violent, polygynous, and competitive. And then when he meets the right woman, he decides to invest his time, energy and loyalty into her + their family. So it already frames male nature as being disloyal, though morality is not actually attached to this—male and female nature are just seen as something that “is,” similar to how predacious carnivorous animals just “are” and aren’t good or bad for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 07:15 PM
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They don’t, clearly by the existence of non-black pill men. Downvoting is against the subreddit rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 04:43 PM
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No, I just live in reality. This is something every other person learned through their teenage years.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 04:39 PM
1

You see how you move the goal posts? “looks don’t matter” to “the importance of looks relative to other factors.” Of course looks matter and have always mattered. If you did not realize this, you’re either autistic or unsocialized or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 04:35 PM
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Nobody has ever said that looks don’t matter. This is some weird fiction that you guys make up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:49 PM
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Sometimes they don’t even ask. The amount of unwanted choking in sex has risen by a lot. In the PPD Discord, we had a guy admit that he didn’t even talk to his gf about choking her before he did it. He just went for it. Then he got mad when we said that’s unhinged behavior lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:15 PM
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50SoG and Twilight (the book it was based on) play into the female fantasy that this desirable man has an all consuming attraction to just her. Despite her being a totally “normal,” everyday girl. Though I put normal into quotes because, in both books, both Bella and Ana are meant to be above average, beautiful to others and attracting nearly all other male side characters, except she’s just blissfully unaware of her own beauty lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 02:11 PM
2

Because that’s what I am creating the hypothetical to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:53 AM
2

Q4M: Imagine your gf/wife has an affair with your brother. Who are you most betrayed by? A) Your brother for coming on to your wife B) Your wife for accepting his advances C) Your mom for giving birth to you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:49 AM
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It is not supposed to change anything for men! The concept of the wall and subsequently af/bb is that is so men can be mindful of the choice they make in who to date. The red pill was never for unattractive, ugly, autistic men. It was for average guys and up, the kind of guy who might look plain or 'just there' but could still get play with some effort. So it's warning those men to stay away from women who would not have wanted him if she didn't have a kid to take care of or something like that.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:14 PM
9

What are superficial reason for rejection? "She is too fat for me to be attracted to her" is a valid reason. "He is too short for me to be attracted to him" is a valid reason. "This person voted in a way that will cause strain in our relationship" is a valid reason. To answer your question, yes, there is some level of comfort in knowing you dodged a bullet. It doesn't take the hurt away necessarily, but is a reminder that you can focus on finding someone who is good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:52 PM
1

Op is not just describing assertiveness, he is asking for masculine traits and confirmed this with me in his comment response.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:13 PM
6

Lol yeah this is a more accurate descriptor of what I was trying to convey
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:50 PM
59

"Prefer" is not the right word to use here. The reason you're seeing this is because men tend to lean conservative more than women do. And a large chunk of women don't mind dating someone who is little more conservative than she is. Or maybe she is just not super political minded to begin with. In an ideal world, most people would choose someone who agrees with them politically because it affects values and the way you raise your children.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:18 PM
2

So why haven't you done this already?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:15 PM
0

You are asking for a masculine woman or a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:09 PM
10

Well if I’m letting him do it, it’s not cheating, is it? He can do it tho. If my man knew I was sleeping with someone else - even if he “let” me - he’d hate me forever lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:24 PM
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I often get accused of being a man larping as a woman or being trans or something, so there is something about me that is perceived as masculine at least some of the time. In games I just don’t disclose that I’m a woman and I don’t join voice chats because I don’t want to open myself up to abuse. The default is usually that players are male unless shown otherwise, and I let people think this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:32 PM
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Your post was removed because you did not read the subreddit rules prior to posting it. Posts that argue an affirmative stance - which yours was arguing that dating is not harder for men as they age - then it needs to be flaired as Debate and reposted. You, for some reason, chose not to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 07:35 PM
2

Should PPD ban AI slop from the main subreddit? Yes or no and why
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 06:17 PM
16

This post single handedly brings down the average IQ of the subreddit by at least 20 points, lollll.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:15 PM
10

Does this actually have to be explained to you? Like, does it have to be explained to you that people, like, individuals want to be seen as a singular unique entity? There is a huge difference between saying there are archetypes of women that we can generally be grouped into based on style, personality, temperament, lifestyle, or any combo of those factors, and then saying that women are a hive mind. I actually cannot believe the questions that come from m*n these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:14 PM
1

It doesn’t mean the belief is wrong for me. There are some parts that are complementary. There are also some parts that are in opposition with each other. TRP and RPW just focus on different parts of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:56 PM
1

Because the goals are different. They believe the same things about male/female nature, but the goals are different. TRP is for men who use that belief to spin plates and “enjoy the decline.” RPW is for women who want to be married and have a good husband and marriage. You cannot force someone who does not want to be married into marriage, if they want to run through women instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:47 PM
1

The basic tenets of red pill, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:41 PM
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Lmaooo 🤭 To be fair to RPW, it focuses on the mutual benefits of male/female attraction and nature as they should play in tandem. Not one party benefiting while the other is taken advantage of. In that way, I do think it’s “nicer” than most of the stuff you see on the TRP subreddit. Like, there’s a reason why RPW tells its members not to read from the male club.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:38 PM
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Largely it agrees with the red pill ideologies of male/female attraction and how that functions. Male/female nature. But the tools are different because it’s meant for women in LTRs or marriages. For obvious reasons, red pill women stay away from red pill men—at least the ones who spin plates or are angry with the world. “Red pill for women”—as in a community that sees the opposite sex as objects and emulates the self-serving tone of TRP—would be more like FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:28 PM
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Slightly different perspective, but RPW helped me understand myself, my needs in a relationship, and how to navigate that relationship in a way that is beneficial for me. We have also had sex workers and sugar babies come through the community and share their success stories using some RPW principles, interestingly!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:12 PM
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That is not what is being discussed as put forth by the OP. The OP is talking only about the act of being attracted to someone. For whatever reason, you are ascribing intent and maliciousness to these thoughts. Men who find young women attractive does not mean they will act on this or even prefer to date them, as I said in my original comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:19 PM
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You need to reread what I said: There is nothing inherently wrong with finding women who are 18-24 years old the “most” physically attractive group. Statistically, isn’t that what the data shows?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:04 PM
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I never said you cannot find someone creepy for any behavior that you find subjectively immoral. So that point is irrelevant. The common point in red pill is not that men only find 18-24 yo women attractive, it is that this group is the most physically attractive on average. Why are you misrepresenting what the red pill belief is?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 04:18 PM
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TRP just states the observations of what works with those “naturally” red pill med men. The only reason it comes off “insufferable” for those who follow TRP is because they had to list it out and apply it like neurodivergent people trying to mask, instead of it coming automatically to them. At the end of the day, most criticism I see is not about these people being bad people. It’s about them being lonely, autistic virgins. Or conversely, women who follow RPW being pick-mes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:47 PM
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There is nothing inherently wrong with finding women who are 18-24 years old the “most” physically attractive group. Statistically, isn’t that what the data shows? I say this knowing that older men also find women in their age group attractive, and often prefer to date in their age group because of shared life experience. They would probably still bang a hot 22 yo, though, if they are the type to enjoy a hookup. Addressing your title, morals are relative outside of some nearly universal ones see…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:36 PM
1

Correct, because the OP is similarly using a small group of women to justify his debate post. So if he can do that, why can't I?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:45 PM
4

Coincidence, probably, because those are the circles I run in and the people I hang out with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:26 PM
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My dating history is just tech guys with nerdy hobbies, so that. I don't hook up either. I do have sex early within relationships, but that's not the same as hooking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 07:50 PM
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Correct. The amount of times I've been threatened with rape, sexual assault, and doxxing by men all because I mod this sub is ridiculous. And amazingly, I never get this behavior from women even though I frequently disagree with feminists and blue/pink pill women. It's all from men, most often incels, so I do not believe this problem of "bad men" only comes from the men at the top of the hierarchy. More than this, I am showing the OP that male behavior affects women's perception of men. And this…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:53 PM
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Men here talk real big on every day about how, whenever they want to, they could strip women of our rights tomorrow and sexually enslave us. So yes, with that kind of rhetoric in mind—that cements men as the ultimate power within society—I will absolutely believe that it can only be mens' fault for the way society runs and operates. Men of all attractiveness and status levels apparently have a difficulty not making themselves out to be villains.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:29 PM
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What kind of person thinks about statistics in their head when dating? Lol? Most people just date in their environment, generally matching up with social and socioeconomic class due to proximity, and not a single thought is given to “this demographic has a rare trait!” Like that is so completely bizarre that I can only assume that is some kind of black pill brain rot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:40 AM
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I do not agree, liberal feminism is like choosy choice feminism. The complete abolishment of gender performativity is often advocated for by rad fems, as performative femininity is also seen as a tool of the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 10:27 PM
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You mean just like women are rewarded for presenting feminine, and are ostracized and ridiculed for presenting as other? It is absolutely a choice. Everything in life is a choice. Men can also choose not to go corporate. They can choose literally any other career that values expression of the self. But they also choose not to. So, as with all things in life, our choices come with consequences or open/close other pathways to us. This is not exclusive to men. Men do actually prefer to be masculine…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 09:26 PM
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Lmao, you are literally just repeating words. Despite egalitarian societies, BOTH men and women willingly choose to adhere to their gender roles. Men in egalitarian societies aren’t choosing to be femboys. They are choosing to adhere to largely masculine identity lmao. As someone into kink, men in the kink space very much fantasize about beating, abusing, and raping women lol. I am not sure who is telling you differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 08:00 PM
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Women and men are under the same pressure to perform their gender roles, and most men do not find a problem in this. Most people do not want to completely abolish gender roles - that idea is a radical feminist take that even most women do not subscribe to. So it's not a hypocritical stance if most women do not believe in it. Hypergamy is the theoretical evo-psych mechanism by which women choose mates - naturally, women should be more selective given that sex is riskier for us and we also have pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 06:35 PM
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Again, when given a large degree of choice (i.e. their societies are largely egalitarian), men choose to assume masculine identity and roles. That includes in the bedroom, within dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 06:24 PM
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Do you think most men do not like being associated with masculinity? Of course they do. It is only a minority of individuals who have a problem adhering to these norms who complain about it. Similar to women complaining that femininity boxes them into an archetype to follow, but the vast majority of women do not have a problem with feminine standards. If given a choice, most men will choose to assume masculine identity and roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 06:21 PM
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Huh? Most men fall into their gender norms. What is that famous example of Nordic Euro countries that people like to bring up - that when given a large degree of freedom of choice, most people will default to gendered behaviors and occupations. So no, men are very much adhering to patriarchal roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 06:14 PM
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Bro’s questions are always about specific fetishes - go ask this in a BDSM community omg.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 01:11 PM
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No it is not. Sensation from touching yourself is completely different from feeling sexual or romantic attraction to someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 01:06 PM
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You understand that killing attraction will not stop men from being lust filled? They will still jack off and be slaves to cooming because touching your dick feels good. That's what you're missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 08:53 PM
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So do you propose that sex and masturbating just not feel good, then? I am not seeing a solution here other than cutting your penis off or frying the nerves there or something. Most men will not agree to this. They will discover that touching their genitalia feels good, and will inevitably want to stick it into a hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 05:20 PM
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Okay, you want to know real stories of people who do gang bangs? Men are insanely rapey at them. That is the reality. That is why women should not do them, and it takes a very special kind of woman to do it. Aella's birthday gang bang - where she extensively screened men - men were holding her down so others could fuck her because her fight/flight instinct was kicking in. And she's a literal escort/porn girl. Bonnie Blue's limits at her gang bang was that men could not cum on her face, and they …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 03:19 PM
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Those women have extremely unrestricted sociosexuality and is not common. You are asking why women can't just all embrace being this kind of unrestricted sociosexuality, and it's because most people enjoy monogamous partnership. Even when women go through journeys of sexual self-discovery, they are not having orgies. They are serially monogamous; i.e they are hooking up with one person at a time. You are literally asking women to "look at this demographic of men and see sexual stuntedness, and c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 02:46 PM
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You cannot have it any other way. What you are asking for is asking women to embrace having sex with anyone and everyone, in some deluded idea that nature will heal if women do this. Like, you are literally asking women to put male sexlessness above our attraction or even sense of safety. You essentially want women to embrace being free use by men at sex clubs and orgies, which is a crazy thing to ask for.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 12:13 AM
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I need you to think critically about this for a moment. Why would single women be on a subreddit that discusses relationship dynamics? Single women are either out doing single woman activities (going out, socializing, meeting men), or they are commiserating with other single women if they’re the type to give up on dating completely. Coincidentally, that is also why you see a small group of single women on this sub who have given up on dating. Cohabitating and married people often begin to live d…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:11 PM
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Relationship dynamics are a domain of interest for married and partnered women. It always has been. The reason why women in relationships are active here is because it discusses DATING and RELATIONSHIP dynamics. Meaning the people most qualified to be doing this are people who are partnered, married, or otherwise have experience dating. Lol. This is not a fucking incel sub, the sub does not discuss incel shit (or isn’t supposed to). It discusses the validity of red pill theory and dating strateg…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 10:20 PM
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“Bring to the table” is an odd way to frame compatibility. If I date someone, they are either compatible with my values and lifestyle, or they’re not. I look for someone who is interesting to me, someone who wants to spend time with me, wants to have kids and a family, shares my values, and is financially responsible. If they are not these things, I won’t want them. Also, I believe how people are at the start of the relationship is generally what we should expect from them even through marriage.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:49 AM
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Of course it does. Plenty of men hate the women they’re with or they simply don’t like her, but they stay with her because they are desperate and don’t want to be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:02 AM
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Correct, and I mentioned that in my earlier comment about men being more desperate than women. That does not make the women not losers either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:59 PM
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Most men and women are losers who nothing going for them, and do not know how to conduct themselves appropriately in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:45 PM
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Correct, most men are not fit to date. Conversely, most women are also not fit to date, but there are more desperate men than women, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 11:33 PM
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Women absolutely do love bomb men, and it is usually BPD types who quickly attach to a Favorite Person. So if you want this, go ahead and date someone like that. What do you mean “How do women make effort towards liking a man?” Is this about how we get ourselves to like a man? Or is it about what do we do to show a man we like him? When I was first beginning to date my boyfriend, I would randomly leave him freshly baked stuff along with handmade/hand painted cards. He let me study at his apartme…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 07:10 PM
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Red pill was for your “Average Frustrated Chump” (AFC) who could get success with women albeit a lot of effort, and it may not necessarily have been the results he wanted. It’s popular with young men because the ones who aren’t “naturally” red pilled in behavior are going to wonder why those men are very successful with women, and how to get the same results. I don’t think Red Pill is inherently bad for men—it says, “Male nature is X, female nature is Y, based on these patterns, doing such and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 06:59 PM
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Did you not read the part where I empathized? Here, let me copy/paste it for you: I have often argued on this sub that love and sex are "needs" in that they are fundamental to the human experience, what it philosophically means to be human. What I am describing after that is simply reality. You (general you) cannot force people to date you no matter how badly you want it. Acknowledging the reality of how people deal with inequity in life is not a lack of empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 03:04 PM
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People address this every moment of every day here. More than this, it is talked about generally among social/gender dynamics because of dating apps and people's increasing dissatisfaction with them. I have often argued on this sub that love and sex are "needs" in that they are fundamental to the human experience, what it philosophically means to be human. However—and this is something you need to pay close attention to—no one is required to fulfill this need for you. Their autonomy supersedes y…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:33 PM
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"Standards" typically encompass everything that I need to have a successful relationship with someone. My only physical standards are that I find that man attractive, no micro-penis, and is not trans. So... I guess the closest thing for me would be 5? When I think about my standards, the grand majority of it doesn't even begin to apply until I've found that man attractive. But the criteria for "attractive" itself cannot be written out because those qualities aren't specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:15 PM
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Because most women are not Bonnie Blue. Less than 1% of American women are Only Fans creators. The monetary gain is not really a factor because you can ALREADY make decent side cash (or main income) as a sex worker or stripper. Women don’t do this because most humans do not want to be whored out, and especially for women, sex puts women in a vulnerable position from men. Either physically abusive as many existing prostitutes already experience, and also because women are the ones who get pregnan…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:06 PM
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Most women would rather do anything else than be touched and sexually used by a strange man. We do not need to prostitute ourselves to avoid poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:56 PM
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I do not want my family involved in anything related to how my romantic life will turn out. My parents have different values than I do, my parents value different things out of a marriage than I do. So of course I don't want my list of potential marriage candidates to come from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:52 PM
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“one of the happiest”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 03:57 AM
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Every time I come back to this place, I get unhinged messages. This most recent one was an incel who praised and asked "Saint Adam Lanza" (the Sandy Hook shooter) to "give him strength to face the women regime." That's the kind of wackos this sub attracts now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 12:54 AM
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It's a permanent artifact of one of the happiest days in a couple's life. People still do things with photos, you know, like put them up and have them out as part of the decor. My house has pictures of my family and pets. My best friend has photos of her wedding in the hallway. Lots of husbands also want photos, so this is not unique to brides or just women. But I am sure you knew this when you asked this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:49 PM
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I'm only attracted to arrogance if I already liked that man and he's clearly competent. Otherwise it makes me want to beat him into submission (figuratively), and then laugh at him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:31 PM
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There is a whole subreddit dedicated to red pill for women. Additionally, you can be a woman and agree with red pill theory like af/bb, 80/20, shit testing, female hypergamy, male polygyny, etc. Conceptually, you can agree with the red pill and not be male. Obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 06:02 PM
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You understand the flairs are based on a color system that corresponds to pill beliefs, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:33 PM
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Who is "you all"? Are you aware I am flaired red pill woman? That I actually argue FOR the red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:09 PM
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Okay for the last time, this subreddit is not for discussing male struggles in dating. It’s to discuss the validity of red pill strategies and theory. It is NOT for lamenting about male struggles. Men’s and masculinities studies have existed in academia since the late 80s or early 90s? Something like that. Women participated, as it falls generally under the umbrella of gender studies. It’s just a niche topic, and in many ways pill things are also a niche topic. As it gets more visibility in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:14 PM
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You called this place a “male space” and it is not. What is giving you all this idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:06 PM
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It actually makes perfect sense that leftist and feminist women are on this subreddit. It’s called purple pill DEBATE. This is not an incel sub or community for men. Why do men come in here and treat it like it is? You guys can’t read the subreddit description or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:02 PM
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You're leaving?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:46 PM
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Nah, in November!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 02:37 PM
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I just took a small break! Sometimes it’s nice to reset from pill spaces :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 02:37 PM
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No, I told u girl, not until after his sister’s wedding!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 02:32 PM
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I’m back, hoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 02:29 PM
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LOLLL.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 04:15 PM
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I’m very open about men contributing things to society, as social demographic, that women don’t (or tend not to as much). I just happen to also think on an individual level, I do not respect most men and I have no reason to. Just like I do not respect most women and have no reason to. Most people are like brokie lazy shitters, talking big about “hehe men/women do xyz”, I don’t care about them. I admire male traits; that does not mean I admire individual men on behalf of all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:07 PM
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“You people” - I am flaired red pill woman, so you are barking up the wrong tree. Go ask some feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:00 PM
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There was a thread around here last month that was like “Misandry breeds more misogyny” and I think this extends the other way too. Yeah if you look at violent crime stats, it’s mostly full of m*n, so if we are going to keep that same energy, then women will be 100% vilifying men and treating them as such. I’m not sure what men expected really.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:42 PM
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I do most of the chores because I don't trust any man to do them. My mom told me it's best to just do the chores that way I never have to fight about them, that's not done to the right standard or whatever. Or if he's a smart man, he would pay for a cleaning service to cover "his portion." My man covers most of the financials and dates and the mental responsibility of the house maintenance because I do not want him touching anything related to cleaning or cooking - I have never in my life wanted…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 03:17 PM
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I’m not in charge of that 🤭
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:11 PM
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He is my incel loser bf 😍
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 05:06 PM
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I want an incel loser bf just so I can manipulate him. Just girly things 🎀
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 04:59 PM
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I’m not a feminist, I’m literally flaired Red Pill Woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 08:46 PM
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