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Both parties will need to choose someone and say yes, and for that someone to also choose them and say yes. You're just emphasising different aspects to make it look different.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 05:11 PM
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It really depends on how you view sex. For my husband and I it was quite special to have sex with just each other, although the first time in itself was pretty awkward. (I wouldn't see it as special if he'd been with someone else before or if we broke up and slept with other people after.) Those with a different perspective would see having sex for the first time as just a random experience like taking your first flight or something. It doesn't create an emotional bond, the emotional bond you ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 04:41 PM
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If something possessed me to watch porn, I couldn't see myself searching specifically for penis size. They are supposedly bigger than normal or supposed to look that way in porn usually, but equally the content is targeted at straight men, who tend to care about penis size a lot more and want to visualise themselves with a big one for whatever reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 04:39 PM
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Men are generally taller than women by quite a margin so that's unsurprising! My husband is in the bottom 4% of male height in the country or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 04:35 PM
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Okay, I don't live anywhere near you and am not talking about your area's laws specifically. Sorry for not being informed about your personal situation and only talking about that I suppose. Just wondering whether you and all your friends are either paying or receiving spousal maintenance?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 04:35 PM
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Idk about states. Maybe you could talk to someone who lives in one about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 02:06 PM
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Spousal maintenance only is awarded in a minority of circumstances which tend to be quite specific. It's not generally something you need to "fight" or considered as an option in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 01:24 PM
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The 4%?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 12:36 PM
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5'7".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 11:48 AM
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21 is a very high drinking age. I can only think of one country where it's that high.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 10:31 AM
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I've had students, including those who are legal adults. Even if you enjoy learning together, the relationship needs very clear boundaries and trying to form a friendship sort of relationship would be entirely inappropriate. The power dynamic is inherent to the setup and otherwise it will not work, which means you will never be equals. While you may have good rapport and like each other, they are not your friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 10:26 AM
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I'm married to a 5'4" nerdy man!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 10:23 AM
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Most women were working before women even had the right to vote. Just for less pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 06:22 PM
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It's introduced a freedom of choice that few couples had before and made love matches the default. No longer are women settling for the first man that comes along for economic survival or greater independence as they are able to obtain that themselves. Couples don't rush but actually decide whether they like each other before settling down. The era of men "paying everything" is gone in the first world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 06:20 PM
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I think you've also lost sight of what it is to be a man. It means being adult and male. Other than that, men can be any kind of way. Everything else is just choices and personality, being a bad person or insecure won't make you into a woman or child.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 06:14 PM
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I didn't say what she should do. But she won't do it. So her other options are freeze eggs, or be unlikely to have biological children ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 06:10 PM
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It's 2026. I live in a house and so do you. I somehow don't think predators would be a problem (as if men can take them on alone anyway).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 08:34 AM
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The alternative is really just to give up on having biological children. She's clearly not going to have children right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 08:07 AM
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The alternative would be relying on unfrozen eggs at the point you wish to use them. They would be less successful at that point, which is the whole point of freezing. So it raises the population rate (a very small amount, again it's not very common to do) by creating more successful pregnancies. People who are ready for a pregnancy right now don't choose to freeze eggs instead. It's really not convenient and it's not cheap either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 08:07 AM
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Surely a fate worse than death.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:46 PM
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Because you're so smart and above the concept of love?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:45 PM
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You realise this is a hypothetical situation and we don't actually know what happened, right? But talk about bending over backwards to blame women no matter what...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 05:43 PM
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She loved him probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:54 PM
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Maybe her ex didn't want a child. But of course, let's blame women and feminism without knowing any facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:40 PM
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Better success rate than trying to do it with their unfrozen eggs! Success doesn't mean perfection.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:39 PM
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Not very many women do freeze eggs, but it's a sign of great scientific success. In the past, such women would've not been able to freeze their eggs and were more likely to have no children when they did get the opportunity. Now they have more of a chance, and aren't many people encouraging people to have more children? And of course nobody wants to have a child without a partner. That's really difficult. Freezing embryos is seen by many as morally different to freezing eggs or sperm too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 04:34 PM
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It doesn't signal anything I said was false. Maybe they just didn't want or try to associate with anyone, or the kind of people that would be interested in them. Maybe virginity would be much higher if what I said was false. Maybe someone was interested but they didn't have sex, or someone will be interested at a later age which will be when they first have sex (higher virginity rates often signal having sex later, not as children, which is no bad thing). There's really no clear connection here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 12:09 PM
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I didn't say anything about virginity rates or anything that could be used to predict them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 11:48 AM
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Indeed it is. Lower finances means higher promiscuity for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:39 AM
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Now try looking up "is male promiscuity correlated to finances". Or just "is promiscuity correlated to finances". You're focusing on the one part that is true and avoiding the false part to the point it looks intentional.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:30 AM
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Depends on the people. Certain types of people will want to associate with you a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 09:29 AM
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Finding a partner organically is pretty successful for such people. If you're engaging with people on an individual, personal level, you're more likely to find someone where you fit each other's taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 08:20 AM
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Clearly you haven't based your claim on any evidence as this isn't what any statistics say. You could've saved yourself some embarrassment by looking it up first!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 08:17 AM
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I've never been overweight and been close to underweight at times. I've had one "suitor" who has ever wanted to date me, sleep with me, hold my hand or anything else. I'm really just wondering how you're going to say I don't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 09:45 AM
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Men don't talk so much about the details of how women's looks are created like nails and clothes because they're not things men usually think about doing for themselves. They add to the overall effect that men either like or dislike, but men don't usually understand the mechanism behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 09:42 AM
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Why have you assumed "undesirable" men will have tastes that are any different? What you find attractive doesn't depend on who is attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 08:32 AM
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I don't think it can be wrong to feel a feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 08:47 PM
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Humans, since humans have existed, have worked, lifted things, and eaten lots of protein. Women have at no point just sat around doing nothing and being exclusively vegans. There's no need for anyone to be macho, big, loud or rude, but some people just are, and apart from being rude there's nothing wrong with it. I guess they are "acting like men" in that these are perfectly natural things for both men and women to do. Women don't need a man to survive or thrive, just to have children. But they …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:20 PM
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You were talking about battle.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:14 PM
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I'm guessing the answer to my question is no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:14 PM
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And have decided what they feel for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:13 PM
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I didn't comment on whether it was right or wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:13 PM
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We're assuming the payment arrangement is the same whether it's dinner or ice skating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:12 PM
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Do you know any bisexuals or just celebrities?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:45 PM
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I assumed you were a bi woman based on you telling us what bi women are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 05:44 PM
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Your statement was of the form "according to me this happens to everyone". Just saying it's a universal statement in your personal opinion doesn't make the statement itself any less universal. It's okay to just admit you changed your mind or said something originally you didn't really mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:18 PM
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That wasn't what you said at all. Like that's an entirely different topic. And generally speaking both will run away.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:15 PM
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You literally did not say that. You didn't hedge by saying it just happened around you. You made a universal statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 03:05 PM
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Thanks for telling us your preference. Personally, I am into the exact same personality type in men and women. That's pretty common.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:25 AM
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Some are dating bi women. They often don't want to date bi women. Many bi women find "masculine" personality traits attractive in both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:22 AM
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They certainly don't only date strippers, indeed that's not a particular trend, and dating a stripper doesn't mean you only care about their looks any more than dating a chef means you only care about their ability to make you food. There is no evidence at all that bisexual people care about personality or human connection any less than anyone else. You're just mindlessly repeating a stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:21 AM
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Bravery can also be used to save you from things. Someone who is brave will try to escape from an attacker rather than waiting to die. Someone who is brave will have the mental strength to stand up to someone who is trying to use them rather than just letting themselves be used as a tool as they're too scared to do otherwise. Bravery is highly valued, and brave people are seen as less disposable due to having more worth. Did you mean to imply that women would have sex with the cowards?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:18 AM
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I think both men and women are more attracted to confidence than kindness. If you're shy but kind, you're less likely to even meet a potential date, never mind get a partner. Kindness is however still valued in men even if it isn't considered masculine. I don't know that a woman exists who wants all stereotypical masculine traits in a partner and no stereotypical feminine ones. Conflating "masculine" and "attractive in men" is just unhelpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 09:14 AM
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Maybe that happens in your cultural context.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 08:39 AM
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What do you mean by these traits being equally necessary in women? The women saying this aren't typically attracted to women so they can't have any traits that they find necessary in a potential girlfriend. Bisexual women typically find similar personality traits attractive whether they're dating men or women. And those traits are often just considered generally good traits for women to have outside a romantic or sexual context. Confidence and independence are very much encouraged in women by ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 09:30 PM
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Different people find different things meaningful and like different kinds of sex. I could also say I find sex very meaningful, but I don't fancy the idea of the situations you've described.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 09:25 PM
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No, it means you buy a round then your date buys a round.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 09:19 PM
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I have asked a man out and covered our date, but I would've done so if he had asked me out. I don't see the two things as linked. I don't think asking someone out creates a monetary obligation, you're only ever obliged to pay for your own food, drinks and/or activities. He offered to pay too as is polite. Men have varying reactions to this kind of thing but this man (now my husband) likes to be treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 09:17 PM
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OP said that men who enjoy ice skating would be willing to pay for their date's ice skating seesion because they enjoy it. I used the same logic. I said men who enjoy eating would be willing to pay for their date's meal because they enjoy eating. If either the ice skating or food date ends badly (or well, for that matter), he has paid for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 11:51 AM
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What is confusing you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 11:25 AM
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If you don't enjoy it at all then OP's suggestion doesn't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 11:04 AM
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Just throwing insults at someone is not an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 10:13 AM
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It has nothing to do with disposability. It's a statement about bravery which you apparently agree with. Bravery is a good trait, painting men as superior. Those who are not brave (women, apparently) are viewed as weak and therefore inferior.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 07:44 AM
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Only if you don't want a second date, or to visit that restaurant again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 07:42 AM
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I don't really go to Starbucks as it's the most expensive. But anywhere else! (Assuming you're having tea or coffee and not a fancy drink, and that you're not in London.)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:52 AM
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I think it's a matter of not liking the concept of paying rather than not liking what they're paying for. If a date ends badly, they're going to focus on that, not the fun thing they were doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:49 AM
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Wouldn't this idea also apply to a dinner date? People usually enjoy eating food, and if it goes badly at least you were able to have a meal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:39 AM
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Or they don't go on expensive dates. A pub or coffee shop is a normal first date, two drinks will cost you about £10. Which is no more than a nice gesture to pay if you're employed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:34 AM
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The gendered term shows a gendered, inferior role for women. It implies that men can have courage while women do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:30 AM
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Your use of "they" here seems intentionally vague. Many women just don't care about masculinity. Whether a man is or isn't masculine is just not a factor they consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 06:29 AM
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I don't care if he thinks I look average. I don't think I look that great either. But him thinking me looking worse than someone else means I deserve worse treatment is a reason to break up, and quite frankly I am not marrying someone who is going to treat me as anything other than the most important person in their life (as they are to me).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 06:12 PM
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In theory yes, but practically speaking I'd need him to be able to at least spend some money on joint expenses (if that counts) to contribute to bills and housing somewhat, otherwise it'd be hard to afford anything. I don't date for gifts or money, I can get those myself. I'm not going to get pregnant to begin with so that wouldn't be affected.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 09:31 AM
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Fear and nervousness are never going to be on any list of stereotypically masculine traits. For ages, men have liked portraying the ideal man as brave and fearless, building up the perception of masculinity that way. But most women don't care that much about dating a man who is ultra masculine in every way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 09:27 AM
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My husband has quite a few different types! I actually bought a couple for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 08:33 AM
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I don't know. Maybe because men often add a bit on when saying their size so what they're thinking is their ideal size is actually a bit smaller. Maybe because they think they're bigger inside than they are. But physically, vaginas are just not that long usually, so it just won't fit all the way. More penis length does not mean more or better sex. Maybe that's why you find food to be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:51 PM
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Being penetrated is not like eating food. You want a good fit (and your vagina will tent to different sizes and shapes to make it fit snugly), not to be "filled up". Normal, average penis sizes are generally the best fits... almost like that's their function or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:24 PM
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Then they're just inconveniently large, waste material, and nobody is going to be able to use the full insertable length anyway. If you prefer to insert four inches, five inches insertable won't be a problem. And most people don't even know the exact length they'd like to insert, you'd need very specific information down to the inch to know to specifically pick a smaller one for the grand convenience of...having a slightly smaller holding area. Most people who use sex toys are classified as begi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:20 PM
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So that's a different thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 03:12 PM
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There's no correlation between height and penis length.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 11:41 AM
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The average insertable length for penetrative toys is generally found to be very close to the average penis length. There's not much use in manufacturing a tiny one, as if it is a bit too long for you then you just insert less.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:53 AM
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Many people would see the work of constructing relationship roles from scratch and pushing against societal pressure to follow certain norms as more miserable, and certainly requiring more effort, than fulfilling preset roles that may not fit them entirely. Particularly men, who benefit more from these expectations usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:50 AM
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If we disregard that you can do it the other way around... Condoms and cleaning methods exist and some people have a kink for it. And a man having sex with a woman is never going to be gay. A man wanting any kind of sex from a woman is either straight or bi.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:44 AM
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Toys designed for strap ones are usually smaller, but handheld ones need extra space at the top so you can actually hold and use it, so they're a bit bigger than what you actually want to insert.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:41 AM
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My dildos are a similar girth and a bit longer but with similar insertable size (you need extra space at the top to hold it so they don't go all the way in). There's a reason why a penis is the size it is. My vibrators are way smaller, my usual is about the size of my pinky finger.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 10:27 AM
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The best reason for paying for someone on a date is because you want to. You don't have to be a lady or gentlemen, you don't have to treat others to anything, you don't even have to go on dates. But you might want to do those things and paying for a first date may leave an impression you really want to leave. (Said as someone who pays for first dates.)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 05:43 PM
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Men have more privileges currently, and hence have more to give up. Women don't need men for anything, they can and do provide for themselves. There is no biological reason for anything, it's just a useless appeal to nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 09:50 AM
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1) A gender role being socially constructed, or thinking it should be abolished, does not mean you should never do anything associated with that role. Feminists don't believe women should never cook anything ever. Feminists tend to like splitting decision-making power and financial responsibilities in relationships. 2) Absolutely, everyone supports you not getting into or continuing relationships you don't want. They're also free to end things if what you want is to be emotionally distant. 3) Be…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 06:29 PM
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My husband probably isn't normal as he doesn't watch porn or outwardly objectify women. But that's a good thing. It should be the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 09:56 AM
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Absolutely not. It's a good and normal thing to care about how your actions impact others.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:40 AM
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Feeling attractive is about male attention. Status signalling is really about the male attention they get, at least when it comes to sexy fashion, rather than financial status fashion. And this stuff is not comfortable to wear.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 08:32 PM
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I don't really believe in purpose, but family is a priority for me and I would expect it to be a priority for anyone I'm with. It'd be sad and frustrating to prioritise someone who didn't prioritise me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:49 AM
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In all likelihood I'd tell him his trousers were slipping off and not think more of it. I'm not sure what kinds of underwear are supposed to be acceptable in men nor do I care. It's not like I intend on looking at a man wearing it for very long.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:43 AM
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You know exactly what a homemade gift is, but let's not miss an opportunity to make an objectifying comment. That'll really knock women down a peg!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:40 AM
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So you're just throwing around insults rather than debating. You're not making it justifying any argument, probably because you don't have one but just don't like what was said.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:40 AM
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If you want your opinion to be given any weight, you should at least give a reason for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:38 AM
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When you're thinking about what to have for lunch you will!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:59 PM
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In order to not compare you would need to not speak or think of previous encounters.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:33 PM
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I don't think that there is a reasonable expectation for your ex to maintain absolute privacy about their previous sex life with future partners. In fact, that may be quite difficult for them to do, not to mention awkward. If you really expect this, you'll need to have a conversation with your partner about what you want. It's not like it's harming you if they discuss it though. You can't really just forget and pretend to be unaffected by all prior experience when entering a new relationship. Pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 11:27 AM
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Because women often express thoughtfulness in gifting not simply by spending more money but putting effort into curating homemade gifts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:52 AM
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Depends on the person, we all have different tastes. I don't care for masculinity at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:11 PM
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That's such a weird way of phrasing it. People get crushes often, many of which never get to be known. It doesn't usually take over their life or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 11:52 AM
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So you still disagree with OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:06 PM
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The percentage of men versus the percentage of women in these categories is going to have a difference that's less than 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:05 PM
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I think I look better with my hair down as it frames my face better and suits my aesthetic more. My husband agrees and I care about his opinion more than a random Redditor. Also it's lower effort and as I have long thick hair I can hurt my head by tying it up for too long.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:25 PM
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So you're saying there's no difference, which is not what OP said.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:24 PM
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What percentage of people kill themselves, and what's the gender makeup of that percentage?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:24 PM
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There's no reason to assume that the men not in the sample, and not the women, have significantly lower self-esteem. You're focusing on small percentages of people (and for some reason assuming they're all male).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:23 PM
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Are you going to be serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:01 PM
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You're not really trying to argue that people who have committed suicide are a big enough group to sway the statistics, are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:58 PM
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So? Men still don't have less self-esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:50 PM
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I mean, it happens everywhere. Many women don't want to let it dictate everything they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:49 PM
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If it's high enough or you think you were in these situations when blackout drunk or high you probably don't remember. Many wouldn't see any value in keeping careful count.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:17 PM
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When clubbing, women tend to experience being harassed and grabbed at, which is about as socially awkward as it gets and is incredibly psychologically corrosive. Women have worse self-esteem than men on average, even if in reality they are doing better self-esteem is about perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:10 PM
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I swear, there are so many people who have heard of some logical fallacy names and just throw them around everywhere without consideration for what they mean. In practice, what you described is called a "compliment". Catcalling is saying different kinds of things. No, a meme is not proof of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:08 PM
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Calling someone handsome and saying you want to date them is not catcalling, was that seriously what you thought catcalling was like?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:35 PM
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I don't think paying for your own food or cinema ticket or whatever should be taken to imply any moral principles other than perhaps thinking people should pay for their own things.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:30 PM
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Usually they are shared, owned by both people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 11:42 AM
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You're going to get a bed each and a set of kitchen equipment each?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 09:30 AM
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If you live together with your partner and therefore merge your property it's incredibly helpful to have known rules for what happens to both your stuff if/when you break up. Otherwise one person could just take all the stuff. You have already decided to share and so your shared stuff will need to be split should you choose to separate. You can only avoid your stuff being combined by not living together, which would usually avoid a common law marriage too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:31 AM
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I've never ever heard this. I find it more attractive personally, obviously it shows more of their bodies which I like to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 07:31 AM
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Having a conversation and flirting is an activity both people are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 07:01 AM
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How is asking someone out taking over five minutes? Obviously going on a date takes over five minutes, but both people have to do that. Asking someone to go on a date takes a few seconds to say or text a sentence. It's not an analogy. You have no reason to think it's an analogy so I'm not sure why you said that. I'm saying the female gender role is much more demanding than what's been presented as the male one, so nobody can accuse them of being lazy for wanting to stick to these roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 06:50 PM
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Basically everything on that list can be done while sitting down.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 04:47 PM
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All these things are easy and most take less than five minutes. If women were lazy, they'd want to take credit for easy things like "initiating sex" rather than cleaning the house regularly for the same credit as per their gender role.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 04:46 PM
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I think a relationship where either partner is free of baggage is just unrealistic, and if you want a serious relationship, you have to accept whatever baggage they have and whatever baggage they will acquire in the future. It doesn't make sense to rule people out based on the experience they have rather than how it actually affected them - I'm sure there are abuse victims who don't have any of the characteristics you associate with abuse and want to avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:45 PM
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Personal insults aren't an argument!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:29 AM
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Everyone's sex drive is different to everyone else's, and will change over time and be heightened or lowered by various contextual factors. I don't think we can reduce any two groups' sex drives to being either the "exact same" or completely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 06:31 AM
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You don't know what they had reason to believe though. Maybe all of the "paternity fraud" people knew it was likely, this information won't have been collected. It's incredibly unlikely it was all through random, unforeseeable cheating. (And if it was, those people never would get a paternity test anyway, so I'm not sure what you want them to do besides forcing everyone to get one.) You don't even know if it was "fraud" necessarily - you can't know what they thought, no matter how you define or …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 09:45 PM
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What happens 50000 times a year in America? Surely there hasn't been a statistic collected on what all these people have good reason to believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 07:52 PM
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Now that's a different reason to believe that claim. So why is it logical?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 07:08 PM
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Seeing as you can find people on Reddit who say the exact opposite, this is a very weak and therefore irrational reason to believe anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:53 PM
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Who does?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:50 PM
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What do you mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 04:24 PM
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Having sex shortly after meeting, then leaving and pursuing nothing further, is textbook casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:16 PM
2

Once again, how have you arrived at the belief that there are sex drive differences?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:08 PM
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Even if that is the intent, they could just leave right after, zero relationship had. There would be no point in even talking about casual sex if what made the distinction was what people were thinking in their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:53 PM
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If a relationship happens to form later, it was still casual to begin with, before it turns serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:46 PM
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Children being born unwell is biological. From a selfish perspective, you don't want to put in more work raising a sick child. That's not an optimal lifestyle for parents. Again with bringing up these lower sex drives yet you still haven't said why you believe this. Obviously your husband being dead is not optimal unless you hate him, in which case it would be optimal to never have met him. I'm sure a tonne of women over 40 find Ronaldo attractive, younger women do not. Regardless of what you've…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:45 PM
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I'm not American and how is sex early, when you barely know each other, anything other than casual?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:41 PM
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It's more subtle than that (for men or women; men certainly also experience this). Someone will do certain things and you know you find those hot, but it's not like just one thing makes the whole person immediately 100% attractive, just more attractive than you found them before. And you find your opinion of how they look getting better over time, even when they haven't changed their appearance, so you can kind of work it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:31 PM
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He's not going to be found handsome by a woman half his age - that look is just not attractive to young women. So you're saying she won't desire him but he can buy her with money. You're talking about this difference in desire again but keep refusing to explain where this claim is coming from. I'm not talking about autism (although raising an autistic child with high needs means one parent will likely have to quit their job), but conditions that shorten your lifespan like Down's.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:11 PM
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It increases the risk of serious disabilities substantially once a man is over forty, it is that bad. What difference in desire? Do you actually know there is one or are you just guessing? You know how much twenty-year-old women desire forty-year-old men? For most they have zero desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:55 AM
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Infantalising? Grown men and women can be bullied and pressured too, and their consent still matters. Children can't consent to sex at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:53 AM
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Probably the only justifiable times to demand a paternity test are: 1) When you have an actual reason to believe your partner was cheating at the time of conception 2) When you and your partner were knowingly sleeping with others, perhaps not even in a relationship, at the time of conception Both of which would be really hard to plan in advance. I don't think going in to trying for a baby while saying "I believe that you may be cheating on me right now to the extent I have to check" reflects tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:43 AM
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I'm not sure how you're determining what people are "meant to" do, but for much of human history you'd count yourself lucky to make it to forty, so it just doesn't seem likely that men were only pairing up then in what would be considered their old age. Biologically and otherwise, it's optimal for children to be raised by two parents rather than their dad dying when their mum reaches menopause and the youngest may be only a baby. Two parents tends to lead to better outcomes than just one. There'…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:35 AM
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Sex early is casual sex. What else do you think casual sex is?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:21 AM
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There's nothing sex negative about that. You're just using "sex negativity" (like it's the worst thing ever) to shut down anything someone says to do with sex you don't like. Sex and thoughts of sex aren't always positive! Being respectful surrounding sex and promoting it is not negative towards sex, the opposite in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:19 AM
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Reducing someone to a sex object is often referred to more politely as "prioritising sex". It's not sex negative to want sex to be meaningful and not enjoy being objectified. It depends on the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:09 PM
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Neither of those things indicate a low libido or sex negativity. Sex comments and jokes are often objectifying, as is prioritising sex. It's okay to not want sex or be comfortable having it until later, after you actually know someone. It doesn't mean you're bad at sex. Not everyone likes hookups, many prefer sex with meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:42 PM
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Not wanting to have sex early, or not wanting to be treated as a sex object, doesn't make you a bad sex partner. You might not want to have sex with people like this, and they probably don't want to be anywhere near you, but that's just your personal preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:30 PM
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That's really not what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:07 PM
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Have you ever been a parent? You know that parenting is a bigger schedule, right? You have to work all the hours on all the days.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:52 PM
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Are you sure you could raise five children?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:34 PM
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Again depends on where you live. But I'm sure haircuts aren't integral to anything really. If you want to be paid to take care of children others don't want, you can do that right now, so why don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:30 PM
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You can think that if you like. They will continue dating and wanting to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:26 PM
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Idk where you live but in many places you do get paid to foster.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:25 PM
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Most women want to date and do date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:22 PM
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Specifically the way my husband speaks, English accent that's close to RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:16 PM
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You could just be happy for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:00 PM
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You still have a lot of life remaining. You wouldn't think this about a young terminally ill person getting married. Traditionally, there have always been those who have lived single for ages and either married later or not at all. But there are also plenty of reasons to value marriage that have nothing to do with tradition.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:59 PM
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Good for you but that's not normal, and I have a feeling that after one or two you'd change your mind about having any more. There are easier, more desirable and more ethical ways to earn money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 06:56 AM
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What kind of incentives? I think we should focus on fixing the economy to make it less dependent on continuing overpopulation and convincing people to have children they don't want personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 06:55 AM
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They're certainly not going to get pregnant and raise children alone because of the birth rate. That would be worse. You wouldn't be able to beg or pay them enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 06:53 AM
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There are more people who want to date than want to have children, and raising a child without a partner is just not appealing to the vast majority of people - those who do it usually only do it by accident, they're not going to seek out and pay a service for the privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:38 PM
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There are going to be less women who want to birth and raise children if you take away the fun parts and the help.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:36 PM
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Not an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:27 PM
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Yes, this absolutely isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:27 PM
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You can find anything on the internet. Doesn't make it common or true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:26 PM
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I don't think "the internet" is right on this one. Maybe if you're talking about cheek kissing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:42 PM
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People don't say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:04 PM
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Where on earth are you getting these numbers from?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 06:35 PM
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Good for them I guess? Your friend group isn't representative. Bi and gay people tend to cluster even when closeted.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:18 PM
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They really do not. Most women have only ever had sex or relationships with men. What a weird conspiracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 04:55 PM
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What can't they provide? Isn't everyone that a person can be attracted to a bit different and offer different things? You know that bisexuality is not homosexuality right? The sex category of your partner doesn't matter if you're bisexual, that's kind of the whole thing. Anyway, it's really just not something anyone is thinking about when they don't want to date a bi person. There are lots of theories about where homophobia comes from or why minorities get misunderstood and treated badly if you …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 04:54 PM
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The vast majority of women are straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 04:49 PM
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It would be kind of absurd to do this unless you plan to live apart from all your partners and never have children. People complain about losing "their" assets during divorce as they consider all joint assets during marriage to be theirs. Then they're correctly told they actually have half when you split it between two people, which happens when you divorce and make one financial entity into two.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 04:10 PM
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A man who loved his wife would give anything to have a few more years with her, never mind decades. Neither men nor women consider older people nicer to look at but that's nothing in comparison to the bond and attraction from a long and loving relationship. In nature, very few people get to be old. It's a random guess you've made based on how you feel but doesn't match up to the fact that people just didn't live that long for most of human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:07 PM
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This is a sad, sad attitude to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:00 PM
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Marriage gives you a plan of what will happen to your shared assets in case of relationship breakdown. If you're not married, no such plan exists. For example, I have a joint bank account with my husband. You don't need to be married to open one, and they will work the same way in an unmarried relationship, where both parties can put money in and can individually withdraw any amount of money. If I broke up when unmarried, I could've simply taken all the money out and had a right to it, nothing f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:40 PM
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You're making less and less sense. Women can be masculine and men can be feminine, femininity is not a trait unique to women and again I don't know why it would be particularly valuable if it was. There will always be other people your partner could be attracted to who you cannot become. Homophobia and compatibility are motives. People do things out of fear/disgust, they also choose partners out of wanting to be compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:34 PM
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Marriage usually gives more protection for assets in case of relationship breakdown and is incredibly helpful for protecting assets should you or your partner get sick or die.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:22 PM
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Having sex is not a crime or even bad. They don't need to be "held responsible" in that sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:21 PM
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Do you not know what "unique" means? Who cares if he is only into this specific trait or is into alternatives as well? It's like me acting insecure because I'm ginger but my partner also likes brunettes, so what? It wasn't meant to be a real percentage but every case I've encountered of not wanting to date bisexuals fits in one of those buckets without having to bring in convoluted reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:20 PM
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Marrying someone you're not really into (most likely, and if you are really into them then it sucks more knowing you will lose them sooner), being financially dependent on them and waiting around for their death doesn't sound optimal at all, actually. Even worse if you have children with a partner who's likely running out of energy to care for them properly and has a good chance of needing care themselves before the children are grown. And only getting to spend your last years with your partner …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:14 PM
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You can't get everything other ways usually. In most countries there are some things you can only get when married. And I don't see the point of doing all the legal arrangements that come with marriage without actually getting married - why not take the easy and cheap route if it's identical?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:10 PM
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And half of them succeed. So maybe less people should get married because they're just not suited to it and that's all. Divorce rates are going down now that marriage rates are going down. No alternative needed other than just not getting married, which already exists as an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:06 PM
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Simply being feminine isn't enough to make anyone uniquely valuable. There are lots and lots of feminine people out there. If you are feminine, many alternatives to you will exist, you're never going to be the most feminine or even want to be. It's pretty obvious you will need more unique selling points to distinguish you from any other feminine woman. And of course, many women who don't want to date bisexual men aren't feminine and/or don't care about being feminine. And mamy bisexuals are into…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:52 PM
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We're not talking about children asking for sweets. Although this would be threatening to a smaller child.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:46 PM
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The pestering is generally the way of implying the threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:44 AM
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There very much could be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:01 AM
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I'm just bisexual. I believe that all the labels you mentioned are bisexual. Different straight people can experience their attraction different ways too but don't consider it another sexuality label.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:00 AM
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1) Meet a variety of a different people. 2) Get a crush on someone. 3) Ask them out. 4) If unsuccessful, repeat method. If successful, date and marry them. I'm not sure what the point of a "system" is, it seems like it'll either be irrelevant as it describes what you'd do anyway or introduce new rules you'll bin the second you find someone you actually like.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:57 AM
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Different women simply have different preferences. Most are not exclusively wanting to date men who are really tall. Most women's attitude to height in dating is simply wanting to date someone taller than them (the average woman is 5'4"). Even then it isn't a hard and fast rule. Someone differing from your preconception can still be perfectly honest. I've been told off for "denying" height matters in dating simply for saying I have a soft preference for shorter men. So I guess I was supposed to …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:52 AM
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Bisexual experiences vary. Some people experience "lopsided" attraction and some don't. Some people experience various kinds of "differences" between their attraction to men and women and others don't. None of what you posted can really prove what's going on in someone's mind, I guess nothing can. I definitely don't feel like the attraction I experience is like the attraction of straight men and straight women stacked on top of each other. To me, being attracted to men and women is the same feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:39 AM
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It would take a lot for an advertisement to harass someone. It's just not equivalent to a person interacting with and pressuring you. How dare young people acknowledge that pressuring someone is a thing!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:21 AM
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Good for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:19 AM
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You're kind of proving the opposite point when you're saying the worst a woman can do to a man in this situation is make "rude remarks" and feel "negative emotions". Obviously the peak of aggression.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:43 PM
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Liking them I suppose? Have you heard of a thing called love? The same reasons a man would commit to a woman despite not needing her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:42 PM
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That's sexual harassment. Not quite the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:06 PM
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I'm not talking to them and refusing them am I?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:28 PM
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It's often not so simple. And even if someone isn't acting perfectly at all times, they can be under duress.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:19 PM
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That's not a game. There's nothing to gain and it isn't fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:08 PM
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If someone pesters you asking a question until you say yes, that is duress.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:07 PM
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My husband is the former, thankfully we both look that much younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:06 AM
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As someone else with executive function, first you need to accept it's kind of your own problem. You will need to exist in the adult world and find strategies to deal with it. It can be easier with a partner to help, but you should find ways to pull your weight - do more of another task you're better at. I'd also strongly advise against dating someone with similar struggles as you're just going to make each other worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 08:23 PM
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This is such a nothing statement as you don't know someone's personality unless you've known them for some time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 06:41 PM
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I strongly prefer those who are complementary and different to me. I don't really understand those who are attracted to people who are very similar to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 02:09 PM
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Being a man doesn't tell you how other people's minds work. You're not a mind reader. It might work that way for you, but you can only speak for yourself. Clearly it's not the case as there are gay men who have had sex with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:58 AM
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That's gross. And as I said, I know him well, and you know him not at all (not even knowing it was me who came up to him), so why should I believe what you think of him?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:28 AM
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I'm pretty sure that is the case. One man total has expressed interest in me, and being married to him, I know him rather well. But that's not an assumption I'd even have to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:21 AM
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No need to be rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:18 AM
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The country I'm in hasn't been invaded for centuries and hasn't had conscription since WW2 (even then you were allowed to object if you didn't want to go). The country I'm from has never had conscription. Only after any of this was any woman given so much as the right to vote. I don't know what things would look like if my country got invaded and I'm not basing my views on gender on guessing what will happen in an unlikely hypothetical that people only really think about to say "gotcha feminists…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:54 PM
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It's pretty hard to build up romance or a relationship without consistent presence. And of course, if you're already into someone, you will want to be around them a lot. Who's going to choose someone who isn't there or who they don't want to be around? Presence is just a natural part of starting a relationship you want to be in.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:49 PM
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You're leaving out the detail that male-targeted media generally puts men (or the character you're meant to put yourself in the shoes of) at the giving end of objectificatuon, sexual violence and whatever else, while female-targeted media generally puts women (or the character you're meant to put yourself in the shoes of) at the receiving end. We tend to be more sympathetic of people having a victim fantasy than a perpetrator fantasy for what I feel are obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:47 PM
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Respecting the first no means there is no afterwards as it means you do not keep asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:21 PM
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I'm not saying it's not rape either, to be clear. So you should agree that practicing consent means respecting the first no.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:32 PM
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I didn't accuse anyone of rape. I think it's unhelpful to do so in conversations about consent. Imagine you already refused those things and said you were not going to, but the person it benefitted kept pushing until you said yes. You would not say that was a respectful action, just a selfish one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:21 PM
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If someone is choosing to do something with you and you can tell they don't really want to, it's common human decency to give them their way out by declining and stopping pressuring them. Don't pretend this is about "respect". If you respected their ability to choose, you'd respect their no the first time and stop asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:06 PM
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It's not clear why the article has decided it's just for short-term relationships, or even if this was assessed by the study at all - it kind of just claims it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:59 PM
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You're really not convincing me you can tell if someone is being bullied into sex if you're okay with apathetic consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:57 PM
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I have no idea what you want me to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:46 PM
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If they're talking about this on a first date they're just crass. I don't want to date someone who's crass. They don't need to pretend anything, simply just don't bring it up because it's not appropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:45 PM
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If you're taking a yes after multiple nos to be enthusiastic consent, I don't think your communication skills are quite good enough for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:36 PM
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You said you couldn't find the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:32 PM
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Why would I want someone who was aware of basic politeness and didn't tell people they'd met once how much they wanted to have sex with them? I do wonder. And I personally don't want someone who's mainly interested in interacting with me for sex, so there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:29 PM
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There are some thoughts that should be kept to yourself even if they aren't shameful. For example, if you don't like someone, that's fine, but don't say it to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:55 PM
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In theory maybe. They don't actually choose that. And wealthier by how much?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:30 AM
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Do you think poorer men are more likely to be liars?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:29 AM
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The title said quite enough - where exactly did I specify I was talking specifically about Americans?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:28 AM
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You can just admit you look down on certain careers. They're perfectly capable of doing these careers - I know plenty of people from studying at Oxford who've done minimum wage jobs just fine. You're saying you think they're not for smart people, who are just too good for it. You're talking about people having disabilities that make them incapable of manual labour, which obviously isn't the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:26 AM
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For both men and women, asking out a friend is high risk high reward. It'd be an unusual person who's attracted to all their opposite-sex friends, so there are some who might be able to ask them out successfully, and others for whom this will ruin the friendship. "Friends first" often means "casual acquaintances first", or simply "can we get to know each other a bit before deciding to date", though. That's a lot less risky.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:22 AM
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What is being used for sex then if consent means it doesn't count? Do you think it's the same as being raped? Being used means you consented to something you didn't want to do (at least, not if all the information had been available to you) and that doesn't advantage you. For example, if someone acted like they wanted to be your friend but really just wanted to get to know your cooler sister, and binned you once they had done so, you would feel pretty used, even if you technically consented to i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:14 AM
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Great idea in theory but you forget that this would mean neglecting their children who they love, it's not so simple as a strike at another job where you're just leaving clients to fend for themselves. If the dad doesn't step up straight away to care for these children, they've done something abusive and/or illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:08 AM
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I'm not sure if you're trying to agree or disagree with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:04 AM
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Are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:04 AM
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Will you say how?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:27 PM
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I said that whatever evidence you're given you won't listen to. I didn't claim to find any. As I said, finding some wouldn't make a difference to your view, so I'm not bothering.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:26 PM
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They show you were harmed by something or got in some accident. In modern times they are usually from medical procedures. They show inner mental strength and resilience. They show something else hurt you and you recovered. If they're from a fight, again, that usually means you lost and were most likely not the attacker. Usually we feel real empathy for those who were attacked, it can make scars on men or women seem like bravery badges.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:25 PM
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Because women do nothing to help or protect others, in fact they just do nothing all day, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:22 PM
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Aggressive? He didn't attack the dog. Putting up a defensive barrier is certainly not aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:21 PM
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Did you read my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:16 PM
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The lower a man's income, the more sexual partners he has had, generally speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:16 PM
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Scars aren't an indicator of violence. In fact they show you lost against something (usually not a person) and that you suffered at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:14 PM
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This is what we call an unfalsifiable claim, meaning that whatever evidence you're given that this isn't true you will reject (you will believe that any woman attracted to a man who isn't dominant and aggressive is actually lying to herself, others or both). Your tendency to believe that something is true in the face of any evidence renders your claim illogical and impossible to debate against. (We can argue however we want that women are attracted to men you think they shouldn't be but you will…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:09 PM
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Oh really, there must be loads more female software engineers hired then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:03 PM
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Men will literally be created and raised by a woman and then say women didn't make anything (using female-invented WiFi on an app using female-invented computer code). They really just assume that everything was made by a man like women just sit there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 10:01 PM
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It's hypocritical to say you don't look down on doing something and then claim you're too good to do that thing, it's a waste of your talent and people who do it aren't compatible with you as you couldn't share ideas with them (because they're all so dumb, obviously).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:59 PM
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Such a system just isn't realistic. Women have never earned more than men on average, and they tend to prefer assortative mating, dating people in the same income bracket. Even if they did somehow ended up earning a lot more than men on average, there's no reason to believe they wouldn't just adjust and usually end up dating men who earned less. The graduate job market sucks currently for men and women, you often need to take whatever job you can get even if you feel you're too good for it. Unem…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 09:50 PM
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They're not viewed as negative, just not attractive. For example, straight women don't date women, but don't see being female as negative. Most people don't date people very far in age from themselves, but don't see that as negative either. I see serving in the army as something commendable, but I wouldn't date a soldier as we don't have compatible lifestyles. I think playing sport is great but sporty people just aren't my type to date. And so on. Attraction is different from just finding someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:13 PM
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Women have to prepare for a potentially much more negative reaction when they approach. Men can find being approached by a woman they don't like incredibly offensive and react very badly. Men also would complain about having to wait to be approached, as it won't happen as often as they want, when they want or with the kind of people they want. Approaching let's them control all this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:07 PM
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Society isn't structured around who is afraid of whom in a one-on-one encounter. I don't get any more power in society just because I don't fear this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:04 PM
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Could you at least attempt to engage with the actual points I brought up rather than something different?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:58 AM
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Women who were less selective presumably had more children (as they weren't waiting about and turning down options rather than conceiving) and therefore had more chances to pass on their genes. Women who approached more would've had more chances to get pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:18 AM
1

Having a bit more physical strength doesn't really change anything here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:11 AM
1

What do you think it is, a gang of men beating people up?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:10 AM
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Women make up the state and police too. Being able to beat people up better with bare hands is pretty useless these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:09 AM
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With what, brute force?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:41 PM
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Why assume that men still have the ability to control women into doing whatever they want? The advantage they had was brute force, but that hasn't been the deciding factor of power for a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:41 PM
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A substantial number of men say they prefer substantially younger women and that they feel they're desired more by these women than those their own age. Often, they're just choosing to ignore the obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:35 PM
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Most mums work full time. Assuming they don't work and therefore having higher expectations of them is just sexist. Mums are also more likely to be raising their children alone or with a custody arrangement the bulk of the work (weekdays vs weekends) than dads, but nobody is using that to have lower expectations of mums.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:58 AM
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My wedding was £4000, but it wasn't the kind most men would want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:22 PM
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So you've definitely never planned a wedding. "Nice classy" is usually the same cost but different style.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:03 PM
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Yeah, right. Men don't usually want sad, pathetic weddings with no guests.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:08 PM
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But gender is just a social construct. If you take away the roles, there's nothing left. Just doing what works for you is not a gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:56 PM
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In that case, usually someone would buy each brand some of the time. Often people will buy the one their partner prefers all the time to make them happy. Are you this bothered over receiving a slightly less preferred toilet paper brand?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:50 PM
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There's usually not such a wild difference in opinion that this is even a problem. They're going to substitute less than someone packing an online shopping order.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:39 PM
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They're doing the same work as a personal chef. Idk about where you live, but here it would be illegal to work for housing and amenities without also receiving minimum wage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:34 PM
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But that's the setup in most relationships, the person shopping brings home what the other wants. They don't just ignore their partner's wishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:31 PM
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For the couple as a whole sure. For the stay-at-home partner no.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:22 PM
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To reuse a comment from a couple of weeks ago, stay-at-home spouses are not paid. Being allowed to use a house and amenities for free would be considered, at best, a volunteer role. For a housewife, her "pay" doesn't scale with the amount of work she does or how well she does it. If you work it out hourly, it may be less than minimum wage. It will almost certainly be less than the market value of this work. She may be earning negative money. Women who earn more than their husbands still usually …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:16 PM
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That doesn't sound like the process is fun to you. What if someone else brought the stuff you wanted to you and saved you the bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:59 PM
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So you go grocery shopping for fun because picking groceries is so fun?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:46 PM
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It's pretty common actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:23 AM
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Do you go grocery shopping for fun?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:13 AM
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They're both deciding. If he decides he likes her choice, that is still very much his own choice. His opinion is given just as much weight, even if he chooses not to have much of one. And again, that's if it's true (and true for every couple somehow). Estate agents are known for talking absolute rubbish.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:12 AM
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Technically nobody is stopped from doing anything so long as it isn't impossible. When someone says they're stopped from doing something they mean it has negative consequences that aren't worth it. I'm guessing you've never been bullied to be so dismissive of its effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:09 AM
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Sex is an activity for two. If one person is getting off and then the other is getting themselves off, I'm not sure that either of them are getting much out of it they wouldn't get from masturbating on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:05 AM
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If you are seen as masculine as a woman you are at increased risk of bullying, assault, workplace discrimination, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:03 AM
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And, if true, that wouldn't mean he had any less of a choice in the matter. Deciding you don't care and want to go along with someone else is a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:01 AM
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Literally anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:53 AM
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Social roles and expectations exist outside their parents' house. Nobody really gets to do whatever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:26 AM
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In a post gender society you wouldn't have a gender identity. Nobody would. It would remove the problem in a different way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:25 AM
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And often they are similar amounts of masculine or feminine. Many people simply don't care about masculine or feminine when it comes to attraction, they are attracted to other things instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:24 AM
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Bring the same gender doesn't make two people the same. They can be complete opposites.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:22 AM
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Weddings take a lot of work and stress. Often men don't like to get into the planning that much, they just ask their future spouse to create a nice wedding with minimal effort from them. They get what they want without having to bother themselves with creating the details of their experience. Buying toilet paper isn't hard but it is dull and takes time to buy regularly and mental effort to keep track of the levels of this and every other household supply, so like any other household chore. You'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:57 AM
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House buying is almost never the decision of just one person. Both people will be involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:53 AM
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We still need to exclude most households from the discussion as most households don't have this setup.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:51 AM
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Sorry, I'm too young to have a clue how cheques work. Or what you would buy using them in 2026.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:00 PM
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It's not really a privilege to make meaningless decisions that have really already been made for you. It's just a chore. You can address any chore as you wish. It's not meaningful choice. And that's what I'm saying, doing household groceries is not really controlling money.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:07 PM
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Do you think I was trying to complain about it? My point was it's hardly like doing that chore gives you so much more financial choice or privilege than your partner who you are doing it for, to help them. It is in fact a chore.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:39 PM
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If you don't find someone your own age worth it, someone half your age definitely won't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:20 PM
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That 1% chance, if you were to get it, wouldn't make you happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:51 PM
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It's not really much of a choice or power, you're doing a chore. It's like saying cooking the meals is a privilege because you get to choose how your food is cooked. Going to and from the supermarket and keeping track of what's needed are the more annoying parts, and if you're only going for a fifteen-minute shop each time you're probably going daily which just eats up time and gets boring. You don't really get to pick that much even if you find someone much joy in toilet paper brands (probably …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 04:06 PM
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Again, your feelings towards this are not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:57 PM
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You are a rare kind of person. Couldn't you just tell your partner what brand you like?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:50 PM
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I have kept saying younger women don't want them and it's met with nothing but resistance. It's not cosmic injustice when it happens, but it's usually a miserable relationship. There are worse things than not finding someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:48 PM
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Do you want the privilege of picking between toilet paper brands every time they need picked? Does going to the supermarket or homeware shop excite you? If you love groceries go do them, you'll be doing someone a favour. Most people just don't find home essentials as exciting as you do. Men whose wives are buying things usually are picking what to spend money on, and then saying "please can you buy some more bedsheets darling".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:45 PM
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It's generally household money that belongs to both of them. She's paying with her own card usually, which will be from her personal or joint account. As breadwinner, she will have put the majority of the money into that account.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:00 PM
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It's controlling and abusive for your partner to get groceries and sort out the bills? Must every couple do these things together always? God forbid someone do a chore for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:58 AM
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I want what now? I'm saying we're talking about breadwinners so need to compare data that's actually about breadwinners.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:57 AM
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None of that "multitasking" is doing two useful things at once. Listening to something while you work is nice and all but doesn't increase the work you do and it does make you a bit slower at your main task. Women do like to listen to things while they work too, especially music. They commonly also combine two useful tasks, most often childcare with another chore.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:54 AM
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Generally when you "self-inflict" doing someone a favour, that's considered an act of generosity, something you should be thanked for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 09:09 AM
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I didn't base my claims on a particular source.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 09:08 AM
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I should be accountable for things I did not say? Is there anything you found unclear in my post? I'd be happy to explain, rephrase?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 09:00 AM
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So I was meant to know that, hunt for it and then do the work of finding relevant information to your point for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:59 AM
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You surely didn't expect me to find what study you were supposed to be referring to when you merely cited it as "pewresearch", and in your own attempt to use it in an argument you haven't provided relevant information to the point at hand? If you wish to use statistics in an argument, it's on you to pick out what's relevant to use, not on others to chase it up (which, with an incredibly limited reference, may not even be possible) and work out which bit is best for your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:22 AM
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If you're asking where do kinks come from, it's an interesting question but we don't actually know for sure. We just know they exist. If control is needed for violence, then I suppose you can inflict pain without violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:12 AM
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So now you're getting further from the point, which was specifically about what breadwinners do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:10 AM
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What am I not understanding about the difference between a premise and conclusion? What data sets are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:07 AM
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I didn't say anything to do with good, bad, right, wrong, or any synonyms. I simply did not speak on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:43 AM
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Decision fatigue is a thing and doing household admin for your partner is generally considered to be doing them a favour.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:43 AM
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A premise is part of an argument. An argument consists of one or more premises that lead to a conclusion. If you want to dismiss the conclusion, you can either argue against a premise or against the reasoning used to say the premises lead to the conclusion. Men most likely do less housework when they are single as 1) some of their housework is done by (usually female) family members, especially their mums, 2) they pay to outsource it more, and 3) they're less likely to be living with children or…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:41 AM
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If men are eleven years behind, how are they ready to consent to anything at the same age as women? They just develop enough to do things they want to do, but not enough to do things they don't want to do? Sure, they can be turned on by violence. That doesn't mean there needs to be a power imbalance. Someone can be completely in control of the violence they're receiving - you can tell someone to hit you and control if/when it happens. Doesn't really work when it comes to porn - once a video is o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:26 AM
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I didn't say anyone was bad, or make any normative claim for that matter. You're making your own conclusion about certain things being good or bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:20 AM
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It's a premise, not a point I'm arguing. Premises are indeed just things you assert without giving a reason because making every argument from first principles is unreasonable. If you want to argue against that premise you can try to, but you're not going to find any evidence that male breadwinners do more or equal household chores to female breadwinners. We don't know how much of a say people have in financial decisions. Generally, measures of who makes these decisions just ask who spends the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:11 AM
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What is it with people just naming fallacies and then resting on their laurels as if they've argued a point? If you want to accuse my reasoning of being circular, you will need to explain why.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:58 AM
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You're forgetting that most "financial decisions" aren't leisure spending but groceries and other necessities. Most expenses will be shared expenses, so who's spending the money within a couple is more a matter of who's doing the shopping chores. (As women earn less than men especially at the top end, female breadwinners are likely to earn less than male breadwinners and have less left over for themselves or their partners to spend on leisure, making this more pronounced in these arrangements.) …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:53 AM
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With all due respect, you're 47 and still single and they're telling you what you can do to avoid being single for the rest of your life. You're really unlikely to attract anyone outside of your age bracket, and basically everyone in your age bracket who wants to date has done so already and has probably has divorced by now. That's your dating pool, take it or leave it. At your big age, being manipulated is kind of on you, you have decades of life experience and the ability to make your own mind…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:35 AM
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I was told once I had to support women dating "older men" as my husband is older than me. He is two months older...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:22 AM
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And? People from Northern Ireland don't need to stay in Northern Ireland, just like people from your county don't need to stay there and are largely going to wind up near the place where they grew up. It's even something you can plan for to get more family support with your children.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:17 AM
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I'm from Northern Ireland (although I don't live there). It's not exactly "vigorous" to take care of a toddler when you have nothing else to do. It's not like you get right onto your deathbed at retirement age. In most places, people tend to live close to their parents and where they grew up. Maybe they'll move from a city to a nearby town or village or the other way, but it's not the norm to move much further.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:14 PM
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Where do you live that people usually live so far from their parents and people have no energy after 65?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:47 PM
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As I said, maybe it's cultural.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:03 PM
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I'm not sure if this is a cultural thing or not but this is generally where grandparents can come in.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 10:17 AM
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So we're meant to put trust in (at least) third-hand stories that fuel an agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:49 PM
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I have scrolled. You haven't proven it true, and can't because it's not. You were the one who specifically claimed it happens to men more. Imagine if someone was talking about something affecting Asians and you jumped in to say "um actually, it happens to white people more". Even if true, it's derailing from the focus and rightfully you can be told to go talk about that somewhere else if you even genuinely care.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:47 PM
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I'm just wondering how you've managed to encounter so many personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:07 PM
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How many different anecdotes do you have about horrible women?!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:16 PM
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That's not wrong. The way you used it was also a gotcha. You're not being shut down, I have let you discuss this with me while you have kept insulting me and telling me to shut up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:12 PM
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You left out what the original post was that you were discussing! I'm not sure what you mean by "ethos to being attacked", I'd love if you could explain what you mean by that but you're not answering any of my questions. Someone being a victim of something doesn't mean "you can't bash them" or they're immune to criticism. I know you hold that idea and that's why you brought up being a victim as a gotcha, but it's not one with any merit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:11 PM
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Again, please do show me where I called you a liar or even said you lied about anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:07 PM
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What am I accusing you of?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:07 PM
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You brought them up to shut people down, which was the exact thing the post was criticising. You didn't like being given any criticism over use of this tactic. They weren't criticising your experience. Nobody even discussed your experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:06 PM
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But I was able to see the entire post, including the bits you left out. How am I trying to shut it down? What am I doing to you? You are the one telling me to stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:42 PM
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Well, those just aren't facts. I know you feel they are, but I think you're confusing feelings with truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:41 PM
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What gossip? If you don't want to reply to my comments you are free not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:40 PM
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It was the one you replied to and sent screenshots from, I've put it at the bottom. It is the context for the thing you wanted to show me out of context. You didn't prove anything. I challenge you to show me where I said you were lying or a liar. https://preview.redd.it/urarozily0eh1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=07099931adfd3cd73f2dae140d4003d9aa1142f6
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:39 PM
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Why do you keep repeating this line? I don't care about your fashion choices mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:37 PM
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I don't know it because I don't think it's true, and you know that too. You're not going to explain why you think they apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:36 PM
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I am quite literally engaging with you and letting you post as much as you want, not shutting you down. You would be better off in a forum for victims rather than a debate forum if you want to talk about being a victim and receive support, though. I'm not talking about your victim experience. I never have and don't want to. I'm not sure why you're bringing it up or think I'm attacking you over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:36 PM
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What irrelevant things am I bringing up? (You see that bringing up irrelevant things, like bringing up male victims of sexual violence to try to dismiss an argument about something different, might be a problem?)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:33 PM
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You can't just bring up random logical fallacies, not explain how you think they apply, and expect an argument to be won.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:32 PM
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You think I'm stalking you? What are you talking about? There's no need to be rude or wish ill on anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:32 PM
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Another Reddit user sent me the original post you replied to which was about only bringing up male victims as a gotcha. You then proceeded to bring up male victims as a gotcha. I'm not sure what you were expecting really. If you want to talk about your experience, there are places to do that. You could engage with a relevant post or make your own post. Instead of bringing it up as an attempt to become immune to criticism when this belittles other people's experiences and the point at hand. Like …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:28 PM
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What would competing even look like? I don't think there's a meaningful way of competing to make someone like you. Even having one man interested in me at a time is miraculous enough, you can't very well compete without someone to compete with. Well, they're competing with peace and quiet I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:30 PM
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What the parent comment was that you responded to. In the exchange you posted it's indicated that you're derailing in some way, but you have not posted the beginning. Am I supposed to not believe the thing you showed me and wanted me to believe? I think you are omitting, which is self-evident really. I never accused you of lying. If you're going to take people disagreeing with you as a personal attack constantly, may I suggest not posting on a debate forum?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:50 AM
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You purposely have not included it in your screenshot. I never talked about you being sexually assaulted so not sure how I could be minimising it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:37 AM
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You've left out the original context, and I'm guessing it's relevant giving how the other user is referring to it. You've responded to a post about female victims by talking about male victims as a gotcha, haven't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:36 AM
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Your colleague's situation sounds terrifying, they likely don't have a healthy or happy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:22 AM
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I've only seen it used on this subreddit as a gotcha, not discussed in a serious way that indicates caring about any victims. Might be the reason. Edit: I believe the user I was conversing with, who has repeatedly accused me of shutting them down, has blocked me so I can't reply. Take that as you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:20 AM
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If they're cute, but they're not considered cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:53 AM
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Women that men find unattractive usually aren't counted by them when they're talking about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:52 AM
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Exactly what did you think was going to happen when inserting yourself into a conversation about female victims of rape and making the (false) claim that men are more frequently victims and can't we think about the poor men? It's just not the time or place, imagine if you were talking about male victims and someone butted in to say you should be talking about women actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:56 AM
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You should respect it just as you respect any other decision (say someone you actually respect, like a male friend, says he doesn't want to go on holiday with you or something) - she has said no, that means no and she most likely won't change her mind. Every decision that's made is influenced by emotions and mood as that's just the human condition but that doesn't make it any less of a decision or means it can be changed if you don't like it. There's no use in continuing to pester her about it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:51 AM
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Just listening when someone speaks isn't "making them happy" and takes barely any effort. You might as well say you're expecting physical labour from women in return for existing, that would be more honest. You can't threaten me with hookup culture. That doesn't mean I would want to be in a one-sided relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:43 AM
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Meaning I could have any kind of personality and behave any kind of way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:40 AM
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Your statistics are quite literally not about the thing we're talking about (as you seem to have forgotten, we were talking about sexual harassment of openly SEXUALLY DOMINANT women compared to other groups). As I've said, I don't think that such statistics have actually been collected. Assuming that men are sexually harassed more than sexually dominant women is a silly, counterintuitive assumption to make. Although statistics haven't been collected, from spending five minutes listening to exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:39 AM
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If you want to date, find someone who doesn't consider it a problem. Perhaps a similarly overlooked and inexperienced woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:07 PM
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That's not how anyone else read it. Dating a woman is not for "helping you with your inexperience", you date someone because you want to date them rather than as some training exercise like they're a starter girlfriend ready to discard. This man could date a woman he actually likes and wants to be with rather than simply trying to gain "experience".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:01 PM
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The post is describing men who want to get a relationship and just use it as practice. It's solely focused on sneaky men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:46 PM
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So we were talking about being dominant and submissive and specifically dominant women being sexually harassed, but your statistics don't reference bring dominant or submissive at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:37 PM
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I wasn't attempting to explain the difference, as they're obviously different, neither implies the other, and you're just being disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:34 PM
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So just because someone listens, you should do physical work for them? Would you take that deal, do you think it's fair for you to physically care for someone that just for listening sometimes? I really don't care if someone random stranger I don't want to date or fuck threatens to be my fuck buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:57 PM
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So you don't know me, like at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:55 PM
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It's not exactly a subtle difference - they're two completely different things. Claiming it doesn't matter just shows you have no idea what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:19 PM
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And what is yours in return?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:56 PM
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Probably. I only do that like maybe a couple of times a year as is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:55 PM
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I don't think anyone ever needs that "critique" really. Either they know and don't need a reminder or don't know and won't accept it. If you feel the need to say it, it's really just to gloat and kick someone when they're down.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:46 PM
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Being abused is not the same as being submissive at all. It wasn't women making them go on donkeys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:38 PM
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It's a conclusion I've come to without consulting statistics. I'd rather do that than vaguely half-reference something that may or may not exist or be relevant. You have not given data either but you did claim something existed. Biological wiring isn't looking good for you considering how much men harm and historically have harmed women, without men there'd be no talking about protecting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:37 PM
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Daily? That's vanishingly many. Not that "listening to problems" is very helpful, it isn't doing anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:33 PM
1

Dominant women get harassed more than submissive women, or any men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:09 PM
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I'm aware that many men are open to their first partner being their last. I'm married to one. But your post isn't describing these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:08 PM
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Women, especially inexperienced women, are often just fine with being men's first everything, but it's being that "angelic girl" that's just a stepping stone to "momentum" with multiple/hotter women that's off-putting. If you're not open to your first everything also being your last everything then many of those women just won't bother, and you're not really getting a real relationship "experience" either with one foot out the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:43 PM
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You claimed that Pew Research said something vague yet won't clarify what. Maybe you'd be better off posting a link rather than trying to summarise as I still don't know who you're referring to or much else. I didn't claim statistics existed. I assume you know what sexual harassment is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:23 PM
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I prefer him to make noises, I just don't care how masculine or feminine these noises supposedly sound.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:57 PM
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No, but what does it actually show? Who is harassed? In what way are they harassed? I thought it was obvious it's generally sexual harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:56 PM
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I think you'll find things to be rather different if/when you have sex. Anyway, it's my preference. If he is quiet that is not my preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:49 PM
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Pew Research shows what? Women aren't punished for being submissive to men. They're punished for being anything else. No clue what this donkey business is supposed to be about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:47 PM
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Men "don't mind" having to care for or nurture their partners because to them it's a novelty to do only occasionally, not a constant thing. When it is a constant thing, such as when their partners are long term sick, they tend to leave rather than look after them, and if they stay they will generally get a carer or female family member to do it. If your partner is constantly expecting you to show all this love and caring to them and not doing the same for you despite being perfectly capable, it …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:08 PM
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This has never happened to me. At most, I have had a fleeting feeling that someone looks nice, but they're a stranger, so I'm not that involved and certainly not getting turned on or thinking about sex with them. All I even know about them is how they look today, that's not going to create a feeling that's that deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:33 AM
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2 and/or 3, whatever comes naturally to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:31 AM
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But in this case it makes no sense. We're talking about women wearing makeup, which men don't do. In no case is it going to be helpful. I suppose being human is required for any human to make any choice, but saying "because they're human" or "because they're not dead" or whatever other nonsense is not a meaningful reason why they made that choice over another.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:31 PM
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"She's a normal human woman" is not a cause or explanation at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:26 PM
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And should we bury our heads in the sand about why one choice usually works well for women and another choice usually works well for men? Acting due to patriarchy is not praised. (The opposite does happen, actually.) It just is. It's just something that frames choices, it doesn't make them any better. All choices, including bad ones, have reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:52 PM
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Two different ways of trying to get a certain kind of information that neither method will get perfectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:42 PM
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Why do any studies on people ever do anything other than ask survey questions if they think people understand themselves? People lie, have different definitions for the same thing, don't want to answer embarrassing questions, just haven't been in a given situation so can't answer a hypothetical accurately, etc. Other measures may be more appropriate or objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:18 PM
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You can't seriously be telling me you think men's reasons for not wearing makeup don't have something in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:53 PM
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And men just so happen to all have unique special individual reasons that are unrelated to anything external, yet basically every man has them? Either you're speaking in incredibly bad faith or you haven't thought this through as your original comment was an emotional knee jerk reaction. I don't wear makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:47 PM
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In fact she told him beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:24 PM
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If you have no idea why, why are you claiming to know and dismissing my reasoning?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:24 PM
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So why do most women just so happen to want to wear makeup while nearly all men just so happen to not want to wear makeup? Coincidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:06 PM
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You're not a "hive mind" just because you're affected by your environment. Obviously there are reasons why you want to do something or don't, you don't just get random urges out of nowhere. Your choices aren't just random and detached from everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:54 PM
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You said you dated her for at least six months.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:39 PM
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It makes sense if you consider people can change and learn things, for example that they don't like something. Making a bad decision once doesn't mean you must repeat it forever. What's the other conclusion, that they just hated you in particular (despite choosing to date you) so decided to deprive themselves of things they totally enjoyed out of spite?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:34 PM
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She's choosing not to continue to punish herself by doing something she doesn't want. I'm sorry that someone not doing something that they don't like for you and being upfront about it while you choose to remain in this situation feels like punishment to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:32 PM
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I definitely would read those choices as submissive if anything. You might just not be reading the women you meet right. There's a very low success rate on apps, especially if you're looking for women as there are so few women using them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:17 PM
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Aren't chokers more of a submissive thing? My husband and I worked each other out just reading each others vibe, but idk how it would work when meeting on an app. But my general advice is not to try to find dates on apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:10 PM
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Even vanilla women are perfectly willing and able to change tyres, investigate noises, deal with emergencies, and provide their own resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:00 PM
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It's not for you, but women who are into submissive men don't tend to find masculinity particularly attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:57 PM
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You really really do not want to be saying that you like submissive men as a woman with your name attached to it. The levels of harassment can be unreal. Makes it hard to find a submissive partner. It's mostly a matter of being lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:54 PM
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Like an hour is reasonable but I'd expect it'd be immediate. it's not like it takes long or has any prep time. If he asked me to take the bin out I'd have it done in that time too, same for a similar small task like making a cup of tea. Five hours is pretty unreasonable. I don't need to ask though. He has eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:11 PM
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Your choices are shaped by the society that you live in and the way you brought up. Yes, people still have choice, but it's not completely free and autonomous. For example, why do most women and basically no men make the "choice" to wear makeup? It's not like there's anything inherent to female biology that makes you want to paint your face. Men are usually brought up being taught not to wear makeup and that there isn't anything wrong with their natural face. If they wear it they usually receive…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:02 PM
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It stops some men, probably, but not all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:49 PM
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Absolutely not, for safety reasons. You won't know who you're talking to. Anonymity without even attaching a picture would likely lead to even more sexual harassment on the app.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:27 AM
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Women have always worked, the only difference has been what work they have been permitted to do and what pay and employment rights they have received. Women never fought to work, they were already working and have fought for equal workers' rights including pay. And no need to get on a high horse about women thinking housework and childcare are "beneath them". At least they begrudgingly do it while men are more likely to turn their noses up completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:23 AM
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Women crush on their friends often. They are less likely to tell their friends about their feelings though. All these "explanations" of women's attraction do is attempt to make it seem more complicated by describing attraction in its broadest, most general form for men, yet zooming in on a way that only certain women experience attraction and claiming this is a rule for all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:59 AM
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And yet...most men in relationships are less than 6' tall. Seems women already don't have that height requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:53 AM
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Dating sites don't have height filters normally, I think one or two have them as an option in the paid version. What height do you think is made a requirement?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:13 PM
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What do you mean by "fake" requirements? What does eschewing a height requirement look like? Most people do pair up in the same income bracket.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:01 PM
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So you have no clue how much money women actually have to spend on these.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:31 PM
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Do you do chores with friends over?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:14 PM
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It's less efficient because you need to create more storage for all that dirty laundry, and it's harder to combine with other tasks, you need to go out of your way to create a weekly reason to stay available at home for all that time. You can't go out or go to sleep or have friends over or various things when you've got a load on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:37 PM
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I don't think you understood what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:35 PM
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I don't think men in general prefer being stuck waiting for the washing for hours at the time and not having space to store piles and piles of dirty, smelly laundry. They may pretend to themselves they prefer it that way when their partner is doing it a sensible way and they don't need to actually care about how it's done. Anyway, it's not doing any less laundry, just doing it in an inefficient way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:34 PM
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Then you will be doing it three times a week but all on the same day, doing multiple washes in a row.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:31 PM
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Are you saying men wear dirty/smelly clothes? The clothes men wear tend to be bigger too (more coverage, bulkier, men tend to be taller and fatter).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:21 PM
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I'm saying men have at least equal input if not more in house buying. It's true they don't care so much or participate in the majority of consumer decisions because the majority of consumer decisions are groceries and buying them is a chore women mainly do, but that's not the same as buying a house. In what way do men self sacrifice?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:19 PM
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If it's no effort then surely men shouldn't be finding it hard to do it equally?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:15 PM
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In buying houses?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:10 PM
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Men have at least an equal say in buying homes and adopting pets, they're just less likely to be involved in the less important, more frequent things like what brand of toothpaste to buy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:09 PM
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It suits men well to act like the household work women do is unnecessary and they don't care whether it's done, then it can seem like it's just optional for women to do and they're not obliged to participate. I don't think they do it on purpose and they convince themselves of this but it is a big fat lie. Men are not happy when standards slip (this becomes quite obvious when their partners go away for a while, get sick or are simply busy for an extended period of time). They want to wear clean c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:06 PM
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It gives you more options who don't like you very much and think that other women are better than you and will view you as only a "basic woman" (like a starter home pretty much, just there until they can upgrade), which isn't the greatest foundation for a lasting relationship or even your personal sense of worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:34 AM
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You know why they are doing all that spending? It's actually because of other chores women usually do! Most consumer spending is on groceries, bills and other essentials, and women are usually in charge of acquiring them for their families. The things they buy will usually need to be to their partner's taste as well. Their money for leisure purchases for themselves is usually less than men's and most people can't afford to outsource household chores anyway. (I know a couple of people with cleane…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:25 AM
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You seriously don't think women don't get asked for favours? I'd say it's more frequent because we're expected to be generous and giving with our time, and a bit of an easy target. Women definitely get targeted more by random people on the street asking for money. At least you're expressing interest in dating someone before being asked for these things. Also you can just deny doing someone a favour. It's not like sexual assault, the "equivalent" to that would be robbery where things are just tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:55 PM
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They know their partners are cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:31 PM
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Women are judged strongly for doing this too, I guess men don't really hear about it and just assume it doesn't happen though (even when they themselves are participating in the judging). As an example, if a woman says she doesn't like her partner watching porn she gets crucified. If anyone, male or female, implies their partner is cheating in any way it basically always causes a big argument for obvious reasons. So many men and women will just not bring it up if they think there is probably no …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:20 PM
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And what does "lowering your standards" look like practically speaking?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:18 PM
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If you exclude those who are coerced or are in serious financial need, there's barely anyone left. Only very very top earners can earn millions from it, usually if already famous.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:31 AM
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There are lots of men pimping women out and pushing them into it. And the men and women who post on these sites wouldn't be driven to do so if there was no market, which is almost exclusively male. It's completely optional to buy such things, whereas on the other side people who sell usually do it out of desperation for the money (no, not greed, someone who doesn't really need the money isn't going to do something degrading for it).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:53 AM
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It's men who are creating a market for buying bodies and putting people in these situations. That's worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:40 AM
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Nobody, male or female, of any kind of look or rating is thinking "my ideal partner is as average as possible, if I find them too attractive then I don't want to date them".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:35 AM
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Nope, it was posted at 7:30!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:31 AM
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Even thinking about the content disgusts me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:30 AM
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I think you're trying to compare erotic books/books with erotic scenes to video porn rather than "women's" and "men's" porn. I'd say there's less of an impact of problematic things in written material because: 1) No real people, including voice actors, are having to act it out or being exploited by porn companies. 2) Video content tends to be more influential and addictive than written. People consciously or subconsciously think it's real (much of it is marketed as being "real couples" and not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:28 AM
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You're describing emotional weakness actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:43 PM
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What on earth is "whimsical and magical" about being a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:34 PM
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What adult wants to be loved like a puppy, because they're a "cute little thing"? That's condescending and vomit inducing, definitely not a good thing but thankfully I don't think it's that common. Men do not generally sacrifice themselves to protect women. They usually put themselves first when in emergency situations. Men certainly like to think of themselves as doing brave and noble things but you don't get any credit for doing something in a hypothetical situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:09 AM
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I don't think it's some kind of revelation. Most people have a good idea of whether they want marriage and children since they're teenagers. But if you find you haven't got there by the time you're thirty you'll want to be more intentional about it. People often even plan to wait to do it around thirty so they're not desperate at all when it comes around, it was what they wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:39 AM
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We don't need to bring back war, hunting, killing and protecting your family from another tribe. (Men are absolutely not made to lead. The nature of groups is that you only get one leader, not half the group all taking a turn.) Men and women used to have to do all kinds of unpleasant things they don't any more. This is a good thing if you want to do crazy modern things like have free time and survive to middle age. It's great we don't have so many great ordeals and we have a concept of caring fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:42 PM
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And that makes them better? My husband is shorter than me, does that make me better than other people somehow? Should we really be calling people better or worse than others depending on superficial traits of those they choose to date? And I tend to be of the opinion that no race or nationality is better than another, crazy I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:38 PM
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Often the women who say things like this were pushed into marriage themselves, by their partner, family, or both. You're wrong to assume women always want it more than their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:54 PM
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It doesn't represent women, it represents women's rights. It doesn't reflect women's actions or aim to.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:44 PM
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Veganism is a movement for nonhuman animals, yet vegans can be human.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:18 PM
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Say yes when I ask him out, hopefully. He can just exist and I will handle the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:07 PM
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You're arguing for children's grannies, aunts and probably also stepmums having primary custody, not their dads.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:49 AM
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Every body is different, and many bodies aren't helped by "default" sex giving little to know attention to their main sexual pleasure point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:44 AM
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Most men definitely don't prefer it. You get pushback from doing these things as a woman. It's often even treated as some kind of attack on masculinity or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:41 AM
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I like making the first move and having more of a say in big and small relationship decisions. I don't know why anyone wouldn't want control over this. I enjoy paying for and treating my partner to things. Asking for marriage was possibly the best moment of my life, not some burden. And less housework and career sacrifice expectations by default would be awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:45 PM
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I've got to say, his lack of participation in his children's lives isn't going to convince anyone of his character.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:43 PM
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Immediate no from me. I don't want children.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:36 PM
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I don't give sex, I have sex. It feels good you know! If I don't think I'll enjoy it I just don't have it. It's not a reward. If I want to reward my husband or show him love, there are less soul destroying ways than having sex I don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:51 PM
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I don't think that's honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:49 PM
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So you just said it to try to annoy me?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:07 PM
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They were responding to a claim about what feminists support by mentioning something done by a different group who were not pushing statistical parity or equity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:24 AM
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Feminists =! women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:32 AM
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This is all well and good to say in a hypothetical, but you don't know but you don't know what you would actually do in those situations. Are you expecting praise for something you haven't done and, at a guess, will never do? You know why the "women and children" thing on the Titanic got so famous? It was considered remarkable, as usually in maritime disasters there were very few female or child survivors, who got trampled by escaping men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:28 AM
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They didn't implement "women and children". They implemented adequate numbers of life boats. Every individual had a way to evacuate so no decisions needed to be made about who could or should. The Titanic was really just an exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:22 AM
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They just get stuck at particular relationship milestone. They like that person and don't want to leave, and it's not like people don't progress into relationships after being in situationships for a bit. And sometimes women are the people causing the holdups.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:14 AM
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Everyone learns from experience what they like and don't like. Unless you ignore these likes and dislikes, it means your sexual experience should improve over time. This is something I've experienced only having one partner. It's not something you need to worry about unless you don't want to have sex the way your partner likes or they don't want to have it the way you like, but that sexual incompatibility would still be there even if you didn't already know about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:12 AM
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Not that I know celebrities or anything but I'm guessing she may have had surgery too. Also, she's a celebrity. And only one person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:35 AM
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Better than you're letting on I'd imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:32 AM
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Why are you bringing this up here?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:32 AM
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You realise my original point was that women avoid such situations, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:02 PM
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Men might say they don't like makeup but then the women they say look attractive are wearing it, and women who don't wear it (including the same woman they called attractive before) they call unattractive. If we listen to men, we must assume they do like makeup, but either don't know what it looks like or don't like the idea of makeup and want a makeup look to be achieved naturally somehow. They're probably not lying intentionally, they are just not very knowledgeable about makeup. Women who say…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:56 PM
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Yes. It's very hard to represent yourself on an app, if they like me when actually meeting me that's what counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:50 PM
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My guess is it could be based on just one, or even someone claiming a woman said something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:48 PM
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It doesn't even have to be divorce. You can just decide you don't want to share your money one day. You don't even need to pay a notice period.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:13 PM
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But you heard someone say something once and that overrules reality I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:10 PM
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I'm not talking about states, don't live in one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:09 PM
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There is a difference between being allowed to access someone else's money and having your own money that only you can access. Separate bank accounts are also very common in marriages, only one shared account in a couple is not the norm any more. You don't have a legal right to any of your spouse's assets unless you divorce. During the marriage they are completely entitled to control all of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:08 PM
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So you don't think they're entitled to pay. Let's stop pretending it is pay then. It's not socially enforced. You just don't get these things. Husband's basically never given their wives money which they have some access to that is above minimum wage. If it was actually pay, it would be illegal withholding of wages.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:57 PM
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Love. And somebody has to do it. She has been socialised that it's the price for a relationship. Women don't really get a choice, most have to have a job and the majority of housework. Feminists have not asked for pay. Nobody has. Just some understanding and not being kicked in the face by laws, finances and the employment market as thanks. If she gets held accountable, shouldn't it be in terms of thanking and praising her for this generous contribution to her family and society?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:50 PM
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I hate this idea that when a couple has money it all becomes the man's. "She took half my money" - it wasn't yours to begin with, she has a job too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:46 PM
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You cannot be telling me you seriously think most married women keep all their earnings to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:45 PM
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She is not being paid. Her pay doesn't scale with the amount of work she does or how well she does it. If you work it out hourly, it may be less than minimum wage. It will almost certainly be less than the market value of this work. She may be earning negative money. Women who earn more than their husbands still usually do more unpaid labour. She doesn't get holiday pay, maternity leave, discrimination protections or anything in this work. She can be dismissed at any time for any reason and will…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:18 PM
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I really don't think women are reluctant to do less work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:40 PM
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Those men are unicorns, most would see no point in trying to look. Women who want to be parents kind of have to accept what they will have to do, like it or not, before they even find someone to do it with. There's no reason to believe that currently single men would be any better at any of this than currently partnered men, other than the general fallacy I see reasonably often on this subreddit of assuming single men are just better at most things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:34 AM
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You have heard of harassment? It's not like a group of men are going to make women comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:35 AM
3

Are you serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:12 AM
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A parent's partner is one of, if not the, most likely people to harm a child. A lot of women know of this danger and won't date when they have children on purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:22 AM
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I don't spend time learning about "men", same as I don't spend time learning about "women". I learn about people and get to know particular men and women same as everyone else. Any information about what men do or women do is usually inaccurate and sexist. Unless I have specifically asked for feedback on something, which could be a man or a woman, I don't change what I do based on other people's opinions, as I can make my own mind up and I don't value criticism that isn't asked for. I have gone …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:16 AM
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You're taking this hypothesis as absolute truth, and also as something more extreme than it claims to be. It doesn't say that women are all the same while men never have anything in common. It says women's traits are a bit more likely to be closer to a mean than men's, but both still vary significantly. Whether it's true or not, every person is still different from the next with an at least slightly different mix of traits, this is true of men and women. Obviously, women have different personali…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:10 AM
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I know bad people exist, and that they exist everywhere, not just on dark paths or at parties. The people most dangerous to me are those I already know, but it does nobody any good to dwell on that. You're not responsible for what other people do to you, actually, and these measures are more for reassurance than actual safety anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:03 AM
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So paranoia of the only way that's right. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:01 AM
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We don't know. They didn't meet earlier. It's not like she personally rejected him when she didn't even know he existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:00 AM
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I consider "friends with benefits" to be a relationship in most cases, just without the label. Certainly one night stands are not that common, it's a small minority of women who have most of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:58 AM
1

Sex outside of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:34 PM
1

If it's just for sex a couple of times, convenience and can you tolerate having sex with them are often the only considerations. It's not like you have to live with them or have children or see their face every day. Most women haven't even had casual sex, never mind with a specific kind of man. Not that how they look is going to make it feel any better, they don't know each other so the sex will be mediocre at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:04 PM
2

If you plan to have sex with someone repeatedly, how much you want to have sex with them is much more important than if you only plan to do it once or twice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:53 PM
5

They're still going to be pickier about who they stay with for longer. And casual sex is still going to feel worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:11 PM
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Most women don't like casual sex, if she's even had it to begin with beating her casual sex partners should be easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:29 PM
2

Living with someone shows a whole other side to them, you see who they are 24/7 and know how managing a household together will actually work rather than just promises and hypotheticals. It takes a lot longer to get to know someone when you just meet up occasionally and you mainly see the best side of them. Jumping into marriage without really knowing what it will look like from that perspective is a huge risk. If a couple is looking to marry, it doesn't need to be an indefinite length - living …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:22 PM
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I've read the entire red pill side bar. No studies in it. Heard a lot of self-described red pullers, they seem allergic to studies here. They don't care about any men dying or incorporate it in their beliefs other than sometimes quickly bringing it up as a gotcha. The "reality" they care about and focus on is dating/sex, it's the only way they can try to claim that women are privileged.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:39 PM
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Then find or make one for men like these women made groups. Or just post anyway if the group doesn't say it's just for women. I'm just saying it's not a common thing to do. Lots of lonely, friendless women out there, and not a lot of women making friends off Facebook.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:38 AM
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Why is this on your feed? Housing groups fair enough, lots of men and women needing and looking for housemates. Meeting actual friends off Facebook is not normal at all. Have you tried making some posts if this is so successful or responding to other people's posts?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:07 AM
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No, I actually feel that many men would consider me incompatible because I just don't want to have sex until I know them well. I'm not restraining myself from anything because I don't want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:52 AM
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You really think women make friends by posting on Facebook like some kind of bat signal? Nobody does that, it's weird, it's not safe and nobody is going to actually want to meet up in person. No idea how you've apparently seen hundreds (or what kind of groups you're spending hours in on Facebook). The way you describe men making friends somewhere new seems pretty typical for women too, except women usually have additional safety worries on top of the shared worry of looking awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:48 AM
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What research are you referring to? I think you're assuming things exist that don't. Workplace death rate isn't a red pill belief just because it's "brought up" occasionally, the red pill is about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:43 AM
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I don't know why your female friends do this more than your male ones but I would assume it is due to your treatment of them or who you pick to befriend in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:48 PM
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How are we supposed to tell you what you're doing when all you've said is "I don't think I'm doing anything"? You'll need to reflect a little more on what you may be doing rather than jumping to thinking it's everyone else who's the problem. I doubt you treat men and women exactly the same, nobody does. Nobody's going to be able to fix your friendship issues with such little information though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:23 PM
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There isn't very much of any research into any specifically red pill beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:19 PM
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Any of them, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:14 PM
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I'm not sure what you're trying to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:51 PM
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It is unfalsifiable the way it's put. Any relationship that goes against these beliefs, you can claim there's not true desire there. None of these things mean they're not desired, it's not like your spouse can only desire you if you're worse than them in every way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:51 PM
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They didn't see them as real? Where on earth is this coming from? Anyway, seems you're putting on conditions. Seems you think women should be below a certain age and in their first relationship (or even first sexual encounter) to be loved. Otherwise they might have given attention to someone else before and how dare they!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:35 PM
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Do you not see the irony in claiming that women are loved unconditionally and yet men are supposedly rejecting women for being the same age as them and not dating them at a time they hadn't yet met? Nobody is loved unconditionally except perhaps by their parents, and it's never been a better time for men to not need to provide for their partner to find love. Most women have jobs and would like to continue doing so, they don't need "providers" and can care about luxuries like what their partner i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:45 PM
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Manosphere believers at the end of the day have to put in an unfalsifiable basis to their beliefs like "true desire", because if their beliefs are based on anything that can be proven or disproven by evidence they will have to admit they're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:33 PM
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You can just not reply to my comment if you don't want to engage with what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:42 PM
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Therapy is prescribed as treatment for various mental health issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:41 PM
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Of what? You want me to name a specific woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:41 PM
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Your impression of women's lives seems to be a fantasy of being a hot young charismatic woman with wealthy parents. If you have an actual argument, you should be able to complain actual norms. Most men aren't in dangerous jobs, aren't criminals or homeless. There are lots of homeless women by the way, but you don't see them as much as it's not safe for them to be so public, if they don't hide they will get raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:17 PM
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There are women who very much do worry about both of these things. And women who would love the hardest thing in their life and greatest gender equality worry to be dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:14 PM
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Obviously, you're not getting medical treatment for a condition you don't have.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:11 PM
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Generally a partner should be supportive rather than constantly criticising and "calling out" their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:07 AM
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I don't want to be treated like anything "because I'm a woman", but I do think in any relationship, both partners will have different roles. My needs are not the same as my husband's needs and we each have different strengths (none of this is gendered), so we treat each other in the way that makes sense for each of us rather than the same way. I don't think you even want a relationship where you and your partner do exactly the same things. And you certainly don't want to be treated by your partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:43 AM
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It's not hypocrisy when it's two different things. Imagine a woman saying she wanted to relocate due to divorce laws, that would be the same thing and similarly wouldn't go down well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:23 AM
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A lot of people like having sex themed stuff for their hen dos like penis decor and sex-based truth or dare but I've never heard of anyone having a stripper other than a fictional character.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:04 AM
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I wasn't making a point about how many men I want to approach me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:47 AM
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It's rare for men to properly experience objectification (and they can't really ever experience it in the pervasive way that women do their whole lives), but when they do, they really hate it. They also don't seem to get the side of objectification that happens when you're seen as a bad object that's no good for sex, you're not just left alone about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:46 AM
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Anyone who's objectifying you. He sees you as replaceable no matter whether he actually can replace you, you're interchangeable to him as he doesn't like you for yourself. Thanks for the random life advice that doesn't apply to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:43 AM
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They don't care about you or your time, no more than they'd care about a sex toy for its inner self. They only care about how you look, a bit, even you admit it's just that, and even then they'll just replace you with someone else they think looks okay, nothing special about you in particular. You can be replaced perhaps more easily than an income stream.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:02 PM
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From whose perspective exactly? I'd imagine that each man is viewed more favourably from the perspective of someone closer to his own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:03 PM
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I have a full time job and salary. Idk what hobbies you find interesting but I'm into a variety of things, most prominent are board games and crafts, and my loved ones really like the things I knit, crochet and embroider for them. I don't "nag", unless you're the type that thinks politely reminding your partner to do something once is nagging, or you're the kind of partner who doesn't do it even after the reminder. I have life goals. Buy a house, advance in my career, travel to certain places, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:57 PM
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They don't just want to spend time with you at all. They want you to do something for them (sex) and give something to them (sexual pleasure). They don't care about you, they'll replace you with the next once they're bored or decide you're a useless object. And women who are seen as useless objects are very much avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:53 PM
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Not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:50 PM
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Absolutely I can, although obviously due to the shyness requirement they'll be people I personally know rather than celebrities.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:59 PM
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More like some cakes are in fact rocks and you're told they're just "not to your taste". Objectification is not wanting a relationship or "wanting you for you" like OP claims to want and doesn't like feeling he's missing out on (although he admits he has relationship opportunities). Actually no men have approached me, shit, creepy, or otherwise. I'm not sure what "study" you're referring to. Or what would've happened if taken offline. Even most creeps aren't creepy in a couple of online messages…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:58 PM
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Also several of the girlfriends and wives were criminals themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:58 PM
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You could list "weak, unmasculine and shy" men who have girlfriends and wives just as you can list a few serial killers who did. It's not evidence of who is disliked - obviously sane people dislike literal murderers (if known) way more than shy people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:55 PM
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If you're defining "scared to approach" as not having a backbone, it's not hard to see why these men aren't getting relationships as often - if you don't ask you don't get.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:52 PM
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You really think women, with their general experience of being objectified (whether you're treated as a useful sex object or a useless sex object you're still not being desired for yourself at all), can't relate?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:54 AM
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What would be better for a feeling of loneliness than anything else is to realise nobody but you can stop you from being lonely. You are the only one who can fix it, get yourself outside, make friends, etc. It's not the government's job, women's job or anyone else's job, it's not some problem out of your power to fix or that you should push onto someone else and you don't need to blame others when you are feeling bad or lonely. You can join a sports group if you want. The government does not hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:36 PM
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Because it's neither true nor common sense, for a start. And that's not even getting into the awful misogyny usually used when this view is expressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:32 PM
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What is "micro cheating" to you and why are you under the impression that most women do it, rather than some women you club with doing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:25 PM
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Your sample size is one and you don't even know what that one person prefers or why she cheated. The reason she gives for cheating (he was kind and nice and made her feel special) is the opposite to the story you're trying to spin. A prime example of having a narrative and trying to make anything fit it and make it seem logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:29 PM
1

Then probably nothing I would arbitrarily pick for you would be good enough for you either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:35 AM
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You have access to multiple search engines.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:31 AM
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Pick whichever you prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:18 AM
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Mongolia isn't really like a lot of other countries, as communities are small, insular and disconnected. There just isn't a lot of people there, which can skew statistics as well as produce results that aren't replicable. Mongolia also doesn't rank particularly highly in statistical gender equality measures and your whole argument is based on what things seem like to you and I don't know why they seem that way - are you Mongolian? I don't think nationalism will give you what you want anyway. Peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:33 PM
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I've never heard an American use that term before. I assume it's not common.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:42 PM
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It's secondary school (age 11-18), you just need to take a test to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:44 AM
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This would prevent many married couples from being together. Most marriages between people of different nationalities don't have a huge national income disparity and the countries are pretty similar, e.g. my own marriage, I am Irish and my husband is British and nobody is a passport person.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:29 AM
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Sexual harassment is a different kind of disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:21 AM
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Ooh, a grammar school, how fancy. It's much better to explain and acronym first (if you think the audience may be unfamiliar) and use it than spend an entire piece of writing using the full terms British Broadcasting Company or Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:20 AM
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Your decision that the male "equivalent" is automatically about sex (and only sex) tells you a lot about why many people wouldn't be so keen on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:17 AM
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Well, that's the thing, you keep repeating these questions and ignoring what I write.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:13 AM
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I'm going to stop responding to you, not because I have "no idea" but because based on your responses you're not taking in a thing I write.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:46 AM
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Men often do when they give them a go, they don't tend to try reading them though. Why do you want to know my personal experience, especially as I've said I don't enjoy them? Why do you keep not listening when I say it depends on the specifics and isn't the same across the whole genre? I don't have a favourite, never mind several favourites, as I don't enjoy the genre enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:22 PM
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I do know how media affects people's emotions (there aren't male and female emotions), but it does so in a variety of ways with different techniques so asking me to do it for a whole genre is kind of an impossible question. If you asked me about a particular scene I could have a go at explaining to you but I'm not sure if you'd have the base of media literacy to understand. I didn't ask you anything "as a man" and don't care to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:12 PM
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Most men you know don't walk in the dark or drink at parties and share their location with someone whenever they go on a date?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:04 PM
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You've just decided this for yourself, not in response to what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:03 PM
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I know what kind of effect it's meant to create, I just personally don't enjoy it that much, the same as other people might not enjoy sci fi but I do. Again, I know how media creates effects, but how this happens will be specific to each piece and you don't seem like you're actually interested in media analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:44 PM
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I don't enjoy romance media very much personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:23 PM
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You'd need to study media analysis to get into the specifics of your question, which is now "how do writers and directors make us feel things"? We're also at the level where analysing that would depend on the specific case.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:08 PM
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Men don't take similar safety measures as they find it too taxing. You often don't know the stress you're under until it's gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:30 AM
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That's what media does, yes. Do you want me to teach you how to do media analysis?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:26 AM
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It's exciting, dramatic, engaging, etc like other genres of popular media.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:41 AM
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For entertainment. That's mostly why people like any media. It's not profound nor is it supposed to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:29 AM
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That maybe says more about the kind of people you know than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:18 PM
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No matter your doubts, you're much, much more likely to be seriously hurt by a friend than a stranger. So you're saying even very extreme measures could be described as basic by you. Why should I listen to you about what is basic then? Why would I want to destroy my mental health by developing such a paranoid, anxious mindset that taking all these measures seems basic?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:13 PM
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It's basic to you but to other people that's pretty restrictive. You're way more likely to be harmed by someone you already know actually (like the friend tracking you...) so your measures aren't very effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:06 PM
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Mothers actually spend more time with their children than we've ever recorded before. Children used to spend a lot more time mixing with others rather than glued to their parents. There's evidence to suggest that this increased time with your parents and the overprotectiveness it often fosters leads to increased anxiety later.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:52 PM
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Informing someone else of wherever you go, forgoing activities on the off chance something bad might happen, and moving house so you can carry a particular weapon is hardly basic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:44 PM
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Being hypervigilant all the time is exhausting and terrible for your mental health, and the measures you take often don't have much impact on whether the bad thing happens anyway. You're holding women to an impossible standard, and they get criticised heavily for any safety measures they do take anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:04 PM
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Try some light trousers. They're much more comfortable than skirts and offer sun protection to your whole leg. (If your lower leg even overheard that much to begin with.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:47 PM
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And I bet she has to wear those heels in every weather, which are uncomfortable to wear and permanently harm feet.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:45 PM
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No man with a healthy, trusting relationship that's been monogamous for at least nine months is going to ask for a paternity test. (Come on, if you're at the point you're checking whether your partner is cheating it's probably over.) It already reflects some deep problems in the relationship and the test itself could well be the last straw.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:42 PM
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There's a whole section in the book Invisible Women on how we really shouldn't build women's toilets the same size as men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:37 AM
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This is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:27 AM
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When Dad complains about the pickles they just give him the pickles first time. I know men who are massive Karens but they never get the criticism or labelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:27 AM
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All human relationships involve a certain amount of omission to go smoothly. Our relationship isn't based in Mario Kart or anything. We only play it sometimes. I'm not sure what you think I'm hiding, again you're reading a lot into this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:06 AM
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I'm not entirely sure that's true, but it could be because: 1) Periods are really messy. Sometimes they leave messes that can't be cleaned up. I don't think anyone is purposely flush a sanitary product when a bin is basically always right beside you, but some women/teenage girls don't know, and toilet paper can also cause a blockage. 2) Women's toilets get more use on average (you've seen the queues). Especially the actual flushing toilets where a lot more can go wrong. 3) There are a lot more c…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:00 AM
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You're reading a lot into this. It's okay to omit things sometimes. It's a pretty important part of socialising to know what you should say and what's best left unsaid. Are you trying to imply I'm cheating based on Mario Kart or something? Or my husband will divorce me over secretly not being that keen on Mario Kart?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:17 AM
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Then I wouldn't be able to play Mario Kart with him to make him happy any more. It's not like it's eating me up inside or anything, or like it would traumatise him to know. I don't need to spill out every possible thought or detail of my life constantly just because it's "truth".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:11 AM
1

It's Mario Kart...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:07 AM
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Men who do get treated like emotionally close female best friends often complain about being "led on". And if they're treated like standard female friends they often end up like this post, complaining that these mean women aren't prioritising their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:01 AM
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I am funny, I make jokes. But I don't find bullying or bigotry disguised as joking funny. I don't suppose you think it's okay to laugh at others and make them into a joke, things don't automatically become okay just because you label them comedy. Can't you think of another joke, or do you just want an excuse to say horrible things about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:57 AM
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I just don't think it's that deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:55 AM
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It's not about specific acts, just whether you're willing to have sex at all. Assuming the other person is also willing to do it, it's incredibly weird to say you like some sex acts with some partners and different ones with others. If you like it you like it surely.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:53 AM
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Well, it's more like there are some people you might have sex with, as in any act you might like, and others you won't have any sex with. I've never heard of someone having layers to it, like this person might be for everything but oral, and the next might be for oral and vaginal. That would be extremely odd. If you know using lube and stretching is important, that doesn't depend on the person you're with and you've already tried it. It's not a different technique and it's not even something the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:31 PM
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So you've met one woman who confirmed your agenda and decided it's exceptionally common based on nothing other than that and your feelings. If you consider yourself second rate because your partner doesn't want to have sex in ways they don't like that is really your own problem. Boundary-pushing sex acts are something to try with, if anyone, a long-term partner you know and trust, not a casual hookup partner you're not even invested in enough to call more than a friend. And what do you mean by "…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:12 PM
1

Safe to assume they don't have some special different way of doing anal. You can expect it to be the same. If it hurt before then that's what you can expect, better to avoid it altogether than keep trying the same thing expecting different results like a madwoman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:08 PM
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Will telling people out loud what you think of their bums help you with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:15 PM
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Just think it, nobody wants to hear it so keep it to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:07 PM
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Men who struggle to see women as people don't base it on their outfits. If seeing someone's belly button takes away their personhood for you, you didn't see them as a person to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:59 PM
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If I think what would happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:50 PM
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What exciting life do you have that you'd love to read a copy of? And have you tried keeping a diary?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:11 PM
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Do you think that Johnny Depp should have "taken the hit" instead of doing the same thing and causing similar damage to what you predict to female victims? Remember, you've said she should do this regardless of what is true or false.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:24 AM
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Dark romance is exciting and dramatic yet the underlying plot structure is usually pretty simple, that's great for a book. Nobody wants to read a book that resembles their actual life or the one they want, that's boring and without conflict you don't have a plot. It's more like trashy TV of train wreck relationships, Love Island wouldn't be successful if the couples were lovely and healthy. Cancer romance was a big thing before dark romance, I don't think many people wanted themselves or their p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:12 AM
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There are other meetups that aren't found on meetup.com if your local offer on the site isn't to your taste. You could try a less male centric hobby. Crochet is trendy right now. Do you not actually want to meet women? I get it, meeting people is scary. But not impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:55 AM
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Scientific studies are too biased to trust but the personal experiences of you and your mates, and "conventional wisdom" (what you personally feel is correct) are totally accurate and unbiased, got it. There are many men's spaces, all-male friend groups are the norm, and they are completely free to talk to each other, even saying disgusting things about women unrestricted if they want. You've even described freely speaking and sharing your experience and views with your friends. Schemes to incre…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:54 AM
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You could go to a meetup, join a hobby group, make more friends, etc. You could just go on your own again. Or you could give up after trying once and complain it's impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:46 AM
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Reddit is very male centric as a platform. Are you trying to suggest banning hate speech is prejudiced against men because men are more likely to use hate speech?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:23 AM
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And why do you believe that? From studies, we know that women are more empathetic towards men than men are towards anyone, but it's likely due to socialisation rather than biology. I'm not sure how exactly women are supposed to have demonstrated hatred towards men, but I'm guessing this is a very emotional-based belief. All men and women except top 10% earners take out more taxes than they put in. Taxes aren't used to "subsidise the elevation" of women in any country I'm aware of, but more borin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:21 AM
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Oh no, my dumb lady brain couldn't ever process a properly articulated argument. One must assume you don't have one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:03 AM
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It's not banned for having men in it. Just breaking terms of service. Happened to many other subreddits that aren't for men or the manosphere, many subreddits just for men are still up. This is a prime case of male victimhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:02 AM
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As ever, you won't explain what you mean by this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:00 AM
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You won't listen to any women because they might not agree with you and that makes them all stupid? What a rational, logical thing to do. Not emotional at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:59 AM
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It wasn't deleted. There are many male-focused subreddits but that one was quarantined for hate speech (and I've visited, there's just outright sexism, homophobia, racism, etc allowed there). Incel subreddits have even more blatant hate speech, which yes does get banned, and isn't allowed when women do it either (for example the female-focused r/gendercritical, banned a few years back, and similar).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:57 AM
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Where there are even more people having children!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:53 AM
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Women usually don't look up when a random person enters the room. Do you look up?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:51 AM
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Why are you calling this cruelty or saying that women need to change? Anyone who wants to be left alone for the moment has every right to, it's hardly unreasonable or cruel to choose who yo socialise with and who your friends are or god forbid not personally date everyone who may be interested. You wouldn't think to call men cruel for having all-male friend groups and not talking to random women on the street. You'd maybe call them shy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:50 AM
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I don't think it's about being jealous so much as being worried you could have reason to be jealous if women aren't kept down. If women aren't kept in the home, they could lead in the workplace and family life, maybe men would be forced into the kitchen! If I don't criticise women's looks then they might all start looking ugly, or criticising my looks! They might develop more self esteem than me, and what then? An irrational fear, but a fear nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:43 AM
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The men who brag about never talking about feelings with their friends, ignoring them for months on end and having entirely practical-based friendships have a lot of overlap with those who complain about how sad and lonely men are. Some men may not choose to share themselves with others, but that comes at the expense of their emotional wellbeing. They do benefit from emotionally bonding in relationships even if they resist it at first. Everyone needs human connection. (And I do get it, it's a cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:36 AM
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Have you? Who's been deplatformed just for being a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:31 AM
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Most men do have children now no matter what happened in the past (notice the use of present tense), and even more men than that have sex!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:30 AM
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Men can't speak now? Who's been banned from speaking? Never known anyone to be deplatformed just for being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:29 AM
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Do you dismiss every scientific fact you don't like or that doesn't fit your narrative as propaganda? Yes, most men and women do have sex, disease or no.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:26 AM
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A way that you see as bad faith, which may just be a way that disagrees with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:25 AM
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The degree of social engagement in what? Seeing as you're dismissing actual research, you'd better have found a really good superior way of producing unbiased, accurate research.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:24 AM
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I find it really convenient how your immediate social circle just so happens to exactly fit manosphere narratives.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:22 AM
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Cool, I'm not her. Some men buy me birthday presents so you should buy me one too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:22 AM
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You're going to be so embarrassed when you look it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:20 AM
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Are you trying to suggest that the user discussion of r/purplepilldebate is a good source of accurate, unbiased information?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:20 AM
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I have no reason to personally care about what women who like casual sex think. This view is clearly being pushed to further a manosphere agenda (women hate like 80% of men and will just criticise them all the time even when it has no benefit to them, and will be hypocritical even when it has no benefit to them). You feel that way, and because you feel that way and I'm a woman disagreeing, you will find an unfalsifiable way to dismiss me by saying women are stupid. I've seen it a million times.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:19 AM
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What do you mean by view counts? I responded to the original post which included exactly zero evidence for any claims made or even an indication of where evidence may be found. I strongly suspect that all views expressed in response to what I have said are based on personal feelings rather than looking at any evidence. Neither you nor anyone else have so far posted a link to any study. Yet I am bringing criticised for not wasting my time looking for links you're not going to click.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:15 AM
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The original post didn't include any statistics, proof of (in my opinion) sense. I'm not very interested in hunting out links for people who won't click them. Not my idea of a good time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:11 AM
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Nobody else involved here has referenced a study either. You're holding me to a higher evidentiary standard. Most of our opinions are not formed based on studies. Idk what someone else said or why that should affect what I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:10 AM
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Because of their biology, women are more likely to catch STIs from men than the other way around. They're transmitted more easily from a penis than to a penis. I didn't downvote you, you commented at midnight GMT when I wasn't even awake.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:06 AM
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You've met multiple women who love casual sex yet are against men having it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:04 AM
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Are they hypocritical in the specific way being described?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:26 PM
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You're not interested in statistics. Idk if a study has been made on it and I'm not basing my opinion on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:18 PM
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Were you trying to contradict what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:17 PM
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Are you going to show me any data proving the opposite, more counterintuitive point?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:12 PM
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So what are you seeing on dating apps that's making things seem that way? You are aware that most women don't use dating apps, and there are far fewer women than men using them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:02 PM
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In what way(s) do they seem that way to you? It'd be helpful for you to tell us what you think you are seeing if you'd like it to be explained.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:58 PM
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Why assume that when there's a much simpler pattern that also matches up to what's observed? (Other than to fuel an agenda of course.)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:57 PM
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I mean, exceptions exist to everything, but those who enjoy/have enjoyed casual sex just don't complain about others enjoying it. Why assume it's the same people other than to say "women bad"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:18 PM
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You might not want to cold approach a woman at a cafe, but how about warm/lukewarm approaching a woman at social drinks with some male friends/acquaintances? There are situations where people are open to conversation with new people. People meet all the time, it's far from impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:49 PM
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Being direct and blunt doesn't mean you're honest or accurate. It often indicates you're not interested in subtleties, emotions, empathy, etc. Feelings are generally neither direct nor blunt, and expressing them in direct or blunt ways can often be lashing out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:44 PM
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Pubs, nightclubs or parties are definitely okay. Most other places it would be unusual but I'm not going to particularly judge usually unless it's somewhere obviously inappropriate like at a funeral, while you're her customer, something like that. Most approaches are at least lukewarm, which tends to be much more successful as well as lead to higher quality interactions and relationships as you don't know much about how you'll get on if you only know how they look.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:41 PM
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Only a small minority of women consistently have casual sex at any point in their lives, and they're not the ones complaining about men having or wanting casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:34 PM
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It is for equality by ending the subjugation of the oppressed class (women). Men are already advantaged and from an equality perspective they don't need even more unearned help. They can have help once women are on at least equal footing. You're just proving patriarchy by insisting even feminism, a movement for ending women's oppression, should focus more on helping and centring men. Women already help men a whole lot more than the other way around, and without insisting they're paid for it or g…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:11 PM
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How are you going to "regulate the dating market"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:20 AM
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That's not really a common thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:14 AM
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If it wasn't better then last five times it's time to stop trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:58 AM
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Well, maybe you do. I don't think most people expect their interests to change just because they liked or admired or respected someone they might be doing it with, and would like, admire and respect them far less if they didn't understand and accept "no, I don't like that". Women don't like being asked to do something they don't like again because they don't like it and don't want their boundaries walked over! Repeatedly trying the same thing expecting a different result is called madness. I'm n…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:57 AM
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But...you knew you didn't like it. Makes no sense from my perspective but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:48 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:46 AM
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Most traditional pink collar jobs involve caring for or engaging with people in some way. Connecting with people can't be replaced by AI, and many of these jobs also have practical aspects that a computer can't do either. Technically is not a traditional pink collar job, and there's a lot of sexism there (as in any workplace) that means when laying people off women are often the first to go. How area small group of men going to force women back into the kitchen exactly? How are they going to bea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:44 AM
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5'4".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:35 AM
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Why do you expect feminism to be about helping men? Women already help men plenty and bend over backwards making sacrifices for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:34 AM
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Its only really worth it if you truly, desperately want the child at the end. It's a lot of torture and body horror but people will go through that for a child. And then you have to raise the child for at least eighteen years or live with abandoning your child. But people would like abortions when they don't want a child so badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:14 PM
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Because they're human. They'll sacrifice a lot for love.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:01 PM
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They may cook and clean, but significantly less than their partners. Finding a man who does otherwise is like finding a unicorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:59 PM
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How many chores he does now is no indication of how many he will do when he can get his girlfriend to do them for him (and, although much more rarely, there are men who step up while in relationships too). Also, he often has someone else like his mum doing these things for him. And asking for proof would be seen as odd at the very least. Anyway, women just know that realistically they will have to do most of the work. You just need to accept that in order to date rather than asking will he pleas…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:41 PM
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You're just saying that. No way do you actually find the majority of them cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:36 PM
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He wouldn't find her cute if he saw her without context. She's not generally considered cute. She's hoping to even get a fat man to ask her out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:26 PM
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They're still saying they think that's what normal cute looks like. They're not qualifying it. And no, they're really not, but I'm guessing you think that loads of other people find women cute that you don't. Men tend to think their tastes are really unique.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:23 PM
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Out of interest, how many romance books have you read?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:40 PM
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Most women who are young and not overweight are not considered cute. When men are asked to show a normal cute but not exceptional women they show pictures of models.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:38 PM
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If you don't notice non cute women or think they don't count, this is easy to say. The average woman is fat and middle aged, same as the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:36 PM
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If you only selectively listen, of course you'll be confused. Men and women do help each other mostly, maybe you need to look at it through a screen less.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:20 AM
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What do you mean by "don't you know what it's for"? Forced pregnancy doesn't need to be a "consequence" of sex, it doesn't need to come with a potential punishment for women attached and we can make the world better by just not letting it happen. Ironic that you're then complaining about men not having enough sex. (If I assumed men were having the same amount of sex as me, I'd assume they only had one partner ever and were otherwise celibate, which I know isn't true. I'm saying your numbers don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:19 AM
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If you get into a car crash, no matter how you did, you're still annoyed it happened and wouldn't want the hospital to turn you away for treatment for your car crash injuries and say you should've expected that and should never ride in a car if you can't accept the consequences. Many people take years to even admit to themselves they were raped. People often do keep it to themselves, it's considered very shameful. And it's not usually considered a reason for abortion in itself, here in the UK yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:40 PM
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Pregnancy can also result from protected sex. Contraception fails. It can also be sabotaged. And yes, rape is a thing, more common than statistically reported. Coercion, lying, abandoning your partner when they're pregnant, facing other changes in circumstance when you're pregnant are all things. Again, if you saw yourself in these shoes you would not want to be forced into these "consequences". You wouldn't even want the chance of it. (More than 75% of men have sex, are you talking about within…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:17 PM
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They're depicting a pregnancy happening without them wanting it to. Which is what happens for someone to consider an abortion usually. Men can dismiss it as "natural" and therefore harmless when there's no chance of it happening to them, but when they begin to empathise or see it happening to themselves, the thought absolutely horrifies them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:33 PM
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Why did you try it again?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:27 PM
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You wouldn't do this. And it's the same way. No, liking someone more isn't going to give them a special different way of giving anal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:27 PM
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I didn't say it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:17 PM
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You don't need to have every single thing you want to be happy. Or to try.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:15 PM
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This is the norm, do you happen to be American? I've noticed they like to talk about this kind of thing a lot more than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:38 PM
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You're still describing the temporary category. If someone well and truly can't find a date, what do they gain from not allowing themselves to be happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:37 PM
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If you can just "fix it" and get into a relationship then you're in the temporary category. (Do you have to be miserable while doing that too?)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:27 PM
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I think it's actually more important to make the most of it if there's no end in sight. Are you going to try to be miserable single for apparently the rest of your life out of spite?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:22 PM
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Yet when women do admit to having a preference for a normal/average size, or they have preferences for other superficial things but not penis length, they're told they're lying. Apparently it only counts if they prefer big.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:18 PM
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Maybe in an abstract/general way, or saying something like so-and-so is hooking up with whoever. But more details than that is a bit gross and odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:12 PM
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You're just saying that to try to prove a point. Of course really liking her wouldn't change the taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:09 PM
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Have you ever done this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:08 PM
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It's harder to complain about women being picky if you admit you are also picking. It also messes with the victim mindset/lack of accountability of the kind of men who say this. If you take away your choice in the matter and claim you'd be happy with anyone, you can claim that nasty women are just hurting you by nobody picking you (of course they can totally tell you'd just date anyone and are personally rejecting you).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:34 AM
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Because they're fellow human beings and they might picture themselves in their situation and think that they wouldn't like to be forced to create another person with their body either. There are literally horror films about this happening to men. Even if they're completely isolated from women and no women has ever helped them with anything (unlikely). I'm not blind, I don't know any blind people on a personal level, yet I feel sympathy for blind people and support access arrangements for blindne…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:28 AM
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I have asked out a few different people (warm or lukewarm approach), one of them said yes. I always wanted to date to marry and so did he, and we liked each other enough that we decided to do that. I like quiet, nerdy types.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:19 AM
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The issue is that the laws, at least as stated here in the UK, end up becoming problematic for everyone, especially women and girls: 1) If toilet access is based on biological sex, it seems you'd have to carry around some kind of proof of that just to use the toilet. There will need to be some kind of enforcing procedure that businesses put into place at least, which leads to 2) There will probably be fewer public toilets to get around the hassle and expense, which affects women and girls the mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:16 AM
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Because she's tried enough times to know she doesn't like it. Changing the person isn't going to make the act different. Say you don't like mushrooms. You tried a few different mushroom dishes cooked by your ex and didn't like any of them. Are you going to want to try to see if you like a mushroom dish cooked by your current girlfriend? Probably not, as you know you don't like mushrooms.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:05 AM
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They met their partners a variety of ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:02 AM
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Your sexual preferences, kinks, etc are very much part of your sex life. And considered way too much information by many even if you haven't done it. No, I've never talked with friends about the kind of sex I have or the kind of genitals I prefer. I was at a New Year's Eve party once and a couple of American women I didn't know got drunk and started talking about penis size and making other people uncomfortable. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:00 AM
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That's a lot of what competence involves and the skills are transferable (organisation and finance for example). I see this kind of couple getting married and having children all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:57 AM
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You really don't know any couples like this? Making more money doesn't make you more competent, many of the jobs that require the most competence are badly paid while making PowerPoints all day can rake in money.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:55 PM
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Many women are much more competent than their partners and proud of it. Women being competent while their partners aren't is a really common trope/stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:50 PM
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Why would I do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:57 PM
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They vary. Some of these women I would date, some I wouldn't, their boyfriends seem to like them though and tastes differ.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:19 PM
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Oh right, I don't live in California. Or a state. You're aware that this isn't an America specific forum?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:16 PM
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Like being tuned in to reality? They provide another income while reducing expenses per person. There is no increase to your housing cost, very little to bills, and your groceries less than double as you can buy in bulk. Statistically speaking, living with a partner makes you much better off.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:15 PM
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All the men I know from studying at Oxford are either in relationships or are intentionally avoiding them. Intelligent women especially aren't joking when they say they like intelligent men. They get rid of fart joke men so fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:02 PM
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What a stereotype! How are they expensive?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:58 PM
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What's CA? Do you think your area describes the situation everywhere, or at least the normal one?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:58 PM
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I don't think that most dating app users are living with parents and plan to do so forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:28 PM
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It's much cheaper to live with a partner than on your own so long as they have a job, which most people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:12 PM
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Liked? For who they are? You're not serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:39 PM
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Didn't you say earlier that spending time with your own well-behaved children wasn't working? You must do all the housework and childcare in your house if it's not hard, right? Why would natives to these first world countries ever pay anyone else to do it if it's so easy and relaxing?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:11 PM
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Your preference for the size of penis you have sex with is very much about your sex life, and a very specific detail at that. No, that's not normal conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:56 PM
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Well, that says something about your friend group. Many people just aren't comfortable talking about their sex lives with platonic friends, especially in this much detail.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:39 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean by "third worlder work", I've never heard that phrase before and assumed you'd made it up. Washing dishes isn't that much work when you have a dishwasher (lucky you). But there's clearly more work than they can handle in whatever form if their wives are having to pick it up too after a full day of work.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:15 AM
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It sounds like she maybe can't. Some women just can't orgasm or can only do it in specific circumstances, no matter what you or your ego do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:48 AM
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When and how did I blame anyone individually or indicate I wanted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:46 AM
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Very well when they choose to do them!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:02 AM
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All you've known is having a baby. You don't know if parenting in general is hard. You've also admitted their wives are doing housework in the evening, earning them their time to relax while their wives work and their children...I don't know what they're supposed to be doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:59 AM
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It's not so much about status so much as if thousands of people are following you on social media then thousands of people know who you are, chances are some of them will find you hot. And there are people who will date for fame even if they're not into you too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:57 AM
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Yes, I prefer average, the vast majority of dicks fit into this category for a reason, as do dildos (you count insertable length, they have a bit extra space for holding it). If I didn't like that size, my dildos would be bigger. The g spot can be reached with fingers, all a long length does is risk hitting my cervix and hurting. But most of all I prefer effort and a man who doesn't expect me to get off from his penis or its size alone. Men care and talk about penis size a lot more than women do…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:50 AM
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The measure of bigotry is not who you personally date. Let's maybe consider who does hate crimes. And, you know, things that actually hurt gay and bisexual people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:32 PM
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Do you really want to say it's a nice thing that people should like being done to them and reflects kind, accurate, respectful views towards bisexuals?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:28 PM
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I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:39 PM
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Oh wow. So they just relax for five hours while their wives work at their "not serious" jobs and their children... nobody knows, they're just really "well raised".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:08 PM
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Most bisexuals are in straight relationships. Most asexuals are straight and want a straight relationship. Feeling of community, trying to find identity, feeling like you don't like heteronormative stereotypes or gender roles, attention, etc. Most American women aren't single. Single women's attitudes towards relationships won't reflect all women's attitudes for obvious reasons. Their wants also usually change at different times. Most American women, and other women, both want a relationship and…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:06 PM
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I have always found it quite appealing personally. If imagine a woman with more "experience" might think differently though. We tend to prefer to date those who are similar to us and those who have dated a lot of different people are more likely to talk about it (and, naturally, you're more likely to end up in a dating situation with them). Some men certainly do seem to need teaching about how to be in a relationship...and many of those men have already been in relationships and/or had casual se…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:59 PM
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So now the children are doing the dad's tasks for them. Stay at home mums tend to let their children actually enjoy their childhood. Once the children go to school they can't do your work for you any more! You also will need to run around after them with school pick ups, clubs, entertaining their friends, etc. (Just wait until you have a toddler at least and you'll see if they behave as if they're "raised correct" and can be easily "trained".) I'm guessing you have a different idea of cooking to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:10 PM
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Why would how he looks make him want hookups any less? I've known men to want hookups when zero women have expressed interest in them. In fact they can be quite scared of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:04 PM
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If they're only doing a couple of hours of work then they really should go and get a job...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:02 PM
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These things you're saying don't even track with women here. They're exaggerated/minority opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:52 PM
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LGBT isn't all L. Many are bisexual, trans, asexual or some microlabel that's a roundabout way of saying straight. Even if you're thinking only 70% of women are possibly capable of attraction to men, way more than a third of them want a monogamous (and only monogamous) relationship with one. Children fare best with two parents. Very few people will have a child without another parent being around (so a monogamous relationship would be needed). The birth rate would be way, way lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:49 PM
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Statistically speaking women are better at maths. They do take less maths courses though!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:42 PM
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Some of them are doing it. But most are not. With less gender stereotypes, more of them would do it. What I wrote was not in absolutes but you seem to want to turn it into absolutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:08 AM
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Thanks for the insults! I'm not a stay at home wife, but my husband did stay at home for a time. No children, but he did a proper job of it which meant he certainly didn't have as much relaxation time as your friends. It seems like your friends aren't doing much then? Don't "learning activities" take form or are they just calling them that? Aren't they cooking dinner? The children are just doing nothing and respecting their space while they cook and clean? What happens with the friend who's stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:25 AM
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People often don't want to show their attraction in an obvious way if it's not reciprocated. And attraction does grow the more you know someone especially in a romantic way. Neither point is specific to women. Nobody but you knows who you "truly are". We can't read your mind. Your actions are the only way you have of communicating your true self to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:32 AM
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I'm not saying they're terrible. But it is likely that they will do less. They're capable of doing otherwise but that's how it is right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:01 AM
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No, I'm not talking about saying "you're pretty". I'm talking about sexual harassment. I don't want to repeat disgusting abusive things that have been said (and surely fill someone's wank bank), if you can't imagine them and the pictures that are sent and are somehow just so clueless over what sexual harassment is you can look it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:00 AM
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It's a really common idea on this subreddit that a man not looking hot or not being wanted by many women somehow implies he's automatically a nice person and/or prefers committed relationships. Of course, that makes no logical sense at all. Your post relies on this assumption. No, not everyone agrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:15 AM
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Typically and stereotypically, women provide order, organising everyone and everything in the household so everyone else just has to play their part.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:11 AM
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This poor woman just wants space to cook! That's what counters are for, storage is what cupboards are for! They're perfectly efficient to use, you open them and get your stuff out in two seconds same as grabbing them off your cluttered, unusable counter.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:08 AM
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This is a classic case of taking something human and making it about women. Most people feel that they are the main character and put in most of the work in their relationships. Most people want to be recognised for the small things they do. Most people don't want to feel like their partner would be just fine without them and don't want to see their exes happy. This isn't gendered. In most relationships, contributions aren't roughly equal. Partnered men have significantly more free time than par…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:01 AM
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I see stay-at-home dads as having the same "rules" as stay-at-home mums, but they often don't choose to fulfil quite the same responsibilities. A more common scenario for someone to be a stay-at-home dad is unplanned, often after they've lost their job, and they're not doing quite the same amount of household labour to the same quality as a stay-at-home mum usually would - so it's reasonable to ask what else they contribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:56 AM
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In case you aren't aware, sexual harassment hurts people. It is a form of harm no matter what you do afterwards. It's not simply offence or disrespect, you're belittling it and reducing it to just a form of rudeness. This is how excuses get made for sex crimes. What generalisation did I make about all men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:49 AM
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Five times sounds like trying it to see if it would get any better. Then it didn't. You've certainly had things in your life you don't like, but didn't immediately quit straight away when you first tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:11 AM
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Is trying something and not liking it a foreign concept to men? Surely you have at some point tried something (sex act, food, TV show, whatever) that you didn't like and therefore didn't want to try again?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:09 AM
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Even if you block and report, they still hurt you, that still sucks, and you might not want to keep using an app where this keeps being done to you. Imagine if a man kept being beat up by different people at work and you said "just report the small minority to HR, why would you miss out on this opportunity by quitting?" It's not misandrist to speak up about and not pretend men are perfect angels.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:07 AM
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-Being overly protective or possessive. Men commonly miss this one too. It maybe seems cute at first, then often becomes a form of abuse. -"Benevolent" sexism. Again, they'll first introduce their restrictive views on gender roles in a "cute" way. And if they're saying anything sexist, racist, etc at the beginning when they're on their best behaviour, know they hold views that are worse. -Different views on having children, marriage or any major life choice. Also a common one for men. If you kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:00 AM
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You don't really think that the majority of women don't want a monogamous relationship. I'm also not sure how children are being raised in this scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:53 AM
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You're forgetting that, if you're a woman, some of the "houses" will sexually harass you. And that's before taking it offline or even messaging back. There's a reason why women are far less likely to use dating apps than men, giving women who do use them more choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:50 AM
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If they want to warm approach someone, it's well within their power to get to know them first. They're still picking who they approach or don't, it's their own fault if they don't like their picks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:23 PM
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They can pick what they like. Warm approach, cold approach, no approach, it's up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:05 PM
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As men are constantly complaining about on this subreddit, usually in straight dating men are making the first move. Meaning they pick who to make a move on and who to create opportunities with. If they don't like who they're picking, they could very well go and ask out another kind of person.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:22 AM
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Same as with women, depends on who it is (do I have reason to care about them) and what it's for (is it something I find deserving of sympathy). Which I think can come across as a bit cold to some men as they often expect a lot more coddling from women than women usually get. If you're not someone close to me, male or female, the most you're going to get is usually "I'm sorry that happened", but I think men expect more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:20 PM
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Sperm is really the only one that's unique to men. Which is fine. They can provide plenty of other things that aren't unique.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:11 PM
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That would work just fine if anti-feminists weren't in the practice of disingenuously bringing up "men's issues" to fuel backlash.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:36 AM
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Acting like you don't have a choice is how you end up in shitty relationships, or no relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:33 AM
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If I don't want to pursue someone but do feel attracted to them I may act like this, trying to distance myself. It's more likely they just don't like you though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:30 AM
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Most critiques of certain kinds of feminism have been brought up by other feminists. For example, I and many other feminists think that feminists often focus too much on the first world and ignore violations of human rights in countries outside their own. I've noticed it especially with certain American feminists who seem to think America is just the worst place to be a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:28 AM
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So long as women still looked the same while doing it, it was just cheaper somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:24 AM
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I think you'd be surprised. No, it's not just Sweden. I live in the UK, a normal first date would be drinks (pub or coffee shop), one person buys a round then the other does. If you're not privileged enough to have a spare £10 you have more to worry about than dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:23 AM
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Leaving aside how culture- and location-dependent this is, how much do first dates usually cost? It's a bit of a lofty conclusion you're making over paying for one date, obviously there is way more effort that could be made or not made in a relationship. (Oh yes, and planning. How could anyone compete with the enormous burden of choosing a venue once. You might need to talk to each other as well, how difficult!)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:50 PM
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So you don't understand what feminism is and have a big chip on your shoulder.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:43 PM
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You can tolerate a lot more for one night than you can for months or years on end.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:09 PM
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Men don't look any less attractive, you're just straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:36 PM
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The "exceptions" are the women who actually have casual sex, who are a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:34 PM
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So you don't understand what feminism is. Most women are neither by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:28 PM
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You could've just looked it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:27 PM
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Where have you been? Usually abortion is done due to not being able to provide a good life for a child, not just not liking pregnancy and birth. This is very common to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:25 PM
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I don't think that's scientifically possible, but if it was there would still be abortion. Some foetuses still wouldn't be medically viable or would suffer severe health defects if they were born. There would still be rape and incest pregnancies. And there would still be people who don't want to create a child even if pregnancy didn't have to be involved. Most abortions are carried out not because a woman doesn't want to be pregnant but because neither she nor her sex partner want to bring a chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:17 PM
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It's way less than 99%. In the case of an elderly person you can recognise they may just not find each other attractive. It happens in many other cases too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:01 PM
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Prostitution is sex. Why on earth are you saying otherwise? They don't find each other hot at all, they're not attracted to each other. I don't think you're getting that. Not everyone can be found attractive by any individual no matter the circumstance. Maybe it would help if you pictured one of the people as elderly. Will sex definitely happen then?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:55 PM
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Doing sexual acts and having sex are the same thing? Mentally it's going to be hard even if it felt a tiny bit better physically, many people wouldn't think it's worth it. Just being capable of being into someone's gender doesn't mean you will ever be into them or even be likely to. I said it's not just society, not that it's never society.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 11:57 AM
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It's not just society that makes people not want to have sex with those they're not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 11:24 AM
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They are primarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:42 AM
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We discuss other people's choices being good or bad all the time. We're allowed to have an opinion on them. Better would mean resulting in a higher quality relationship, more happiness, fairness and other benefits. It's unfair as it disadvantages the woman. You can agree to something that's unfair to you and even see it as good. Married women on average have less free time than single women, and that's when including those with more equal dynamics in the mix. Doing unpaid work means you don't ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:58 AM
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Or they might not. Many people don't "experiment" and would prefer to just masturbate if there's nobody available who they're into. Shame isn't the only reason to not have sex, especially when you're not even into the other person. And it'd get really awkward on that desert island after. Remember, they're stuck with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:42 AM
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It's your choice to do so, that doesn't mean that it's the best choice or one you should make. Feminists often push back against this being considered a default or better choice, as well as unfairness that is usually part of this dynamic (usually it isn't really fair or equal, the woman will do a lot more work and losea lot more freedom and be much more vulnerable should the relationship end).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:19 AM
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How could I separate one from the other? How he treats me is just the expression of who he is. Personality traits aren't things you have detached from what you actually do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:15 AM
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A country, race or culture being dominant in the past doesn't mean those outside of it are just dumb and can't engage with ideas. "Europe" has also never meant "rich white men", they're still a minority group. Seething? I'm not sure what you're assuming about me here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:10 AM
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Men are likely to support "gender equality" if it means women doing equally as much paid work but continuing to do the majority of household labour.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:07 AM
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Men care a lot more than women about women looking good.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:06 AM
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It depends on the people. They can't be sexually attracted to each other but might decide to use each other as essentially enhanced masturbation, or they might prefer to satisfy their sexual desires completely on their own. The same could apply even if they're into each other's gender, but just not into each other specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:41 PM
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Never heard of a man being told he must "work himself to death" to be happy or make others happy. Men pressured into having children are usually just required for providing sperm with parenting being optional. Women do their best with the options they have, but they're shaped differently to men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:38 PM
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Well, maybe women will walk away from buying clothes once we stop shoving down their throats that appearance and beauty are so important.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:36 PM
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There are a lot of people, especially young people, who aren't really confident enough to initiate interactions on their own. Many barely leave the house. You'd be surprised. Confidence will mean different things depending on who's saying they find it attractive, but it's certainly not a default.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:33 PM
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And yet women do more combined, and men have more free time, on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:24 PM
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Most mothers work full time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:27 PM
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Being a mother demands earning a wage and raising children. That is more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:40 PM
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It's not even normal for anyone to negotiate salary outside America. So probably not. They'll just get someone cheaper.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:39 PM
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Women get less of a chance to negotiate, they are looked down on more for doing it so it's less likely to be accepted. If men are difficult at work it's seen as a quirk, but women who are difficult at work get fired. Negotiating salary is mostly an American thing anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:51 PM
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Those tradeoffs demand more from women than men...and women still accept them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:50 PM
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I think that sketch is showing that biphobia can express itself in different ways - fetishisation or avoidance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:14 PM
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I'm in a mixed orientation relationship so pretty familiar with what you might come up against. The big thing is I feel I'll never really understand what it is to be attracted to just one gender, and it happens the other way perhaps more often with ideas like thinking bisexuals won't be happy with monogamy. Often monosexual people don't want their partner to interact with the gender they're into past a certain level which causes issues for bisexuals, and other relationship norms can be different…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:12 PM
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None of these are normal things. Women earn less than men even when more qualified. They're still less likely to be given an opportunity. But they're welcome to spend time and money getting qualifications to try.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:04 PM
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Not inherently but on average they are more expensive. You seem to think I've never been to a supermarket, I'm a bit of a cheapskate so know full well to buy men's products as they're cheaper.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:03 PM
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Sorry, must've deleted it in my brain as I assumed you'd be bi instead of pushing another agenda onto bisexuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:45 PM
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OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:38 PM
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The whole point is that women don't have the same access to things and hence cannot make the same choices. This systematic disadvantage creates a wage gap. It's not "nuance", on the face of it there is a gap and you're the one trying to nuance it away by saying "it doesn't exist because there's a reason for it". That woman was making bad statistics too, but it is true that products marketed to women are on average more expensive than those marketed to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:37 PM
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I've never come across anyone who's said any amount of alcohol impairs consent. The issue is generally when someone is at least noticeably drunk (and the other person isn't) or plied with alcohol when the other person knows they wouldn't consent otherwise. Likewise, there are certain mental conditions (although you're probably talking intellectual disabilities more than mental illnesses) where you probably can't consent unless the other person has a similar condition, but saying you can't consen…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:29 PM
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You're overthinking it and putting in extra steps. It's cultural homophobia and biphobia, which men very much support and endorse too. You'll also come across it if you want to date a man. And, you know, there are other reasons why a straight woman might want to date a straight man, mixed orientation relationships can have their challenges.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:23 PM
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He could date a man but biphobia in the gay male community is something manosphere men want to keep under wraps...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:20 PM
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I had to leave r/marriedandbi, there seems to be nobody in a normal monogamous relationship in there. Just cheating, threesomes, open relationships, etc. In the in person bi community it's not like this but I see how people get the impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:19 PM
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Because reality is not always comforting. It often sucks. Statistics are very easy to distort, making a chart or percentage out of something doesn't necessarily reflect a meaningful fact. And when it comes to gender, there are a lot of issues with data collection and women's experiences are often ignored, downplayed or left out. (For example, saying that there's no wage gap when you control for parenthood and job choice, completely ignoring that there are specific pressures on women regarding pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:12 PM
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I think most people are good most of the time. They usually act on their morals and are mostly able to organise their own lives past a certain age. And nobody is good all of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:08 PM
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In my experience, men just don't know very well at all how empathetic their male friends are with women. Men often show a different side to their male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:06 PM
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Far worse. Straight men don't know what attracts men. They'd either get nothing or end up making front page news from a random hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:55 AM
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Most women don't look for top earners either. As stated in the OP people tend to date and marry similar earners to them. I'm not sure there are any other countries with joint filing taxes, indeed filing taxes is a thing that's not done in many countries (not sure why Americans have to calculate it themselves), but maybe someone else will mention if it's a thing where they are. Anyway, people still get married in the UK without any real financial incentive (apart from inheritance).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:15 AM
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You contradicted yourself in the first line. To be self-supporting you will need to make a certain amount. In households, women tend to do shopping chores more (groceries) while men tend to do financial chores more, so it looks like women spend while men save. Women are also more likely to be raising children without a partner, which means they have to spend lots more money while their dad can save. Filing taxes jointly is just an American thing I think. I do actually receive some tax relief due…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:32 AM
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I'm not multiorgasmic so this would entail my partner having zero orgasms, which I wouldn't accept if I had means of fixing it. It feels selfish, same as when men are orgasming but don't put in effort for their partners to orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:24 AM
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People are usually empathetic in some situations and not others. And being empathetic doesn't mean you'll be flattered by an approach. Women often experience the same men differently than other men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:21 AM
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You really think women went through the Enlightenment not thinking or engaging with ideas at all. I guess by that logic only rich white men exactly like those whose works are celebrated got an Enlightenment. Men and women know themselves but that knowledge is also always growing and changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:21 PM
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Having a particular preference in partners is not bad or intellectually disingenuous. The "criticism of women" was that they were supposed to be hypocritical in their preferences or something, when as explained in this case it's just different people speaking. I'm not playing dumb, you're just not making sense. Trying to push an agenda where it's not even on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:38 PM
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The kind of connection you're trying to draw here is so contrived I can't make out what you're trying to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:31 PM
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You're really trying to justify this? No, I don't think anyone represents me or necessarily has anything in common with me just because we have the same genitals. I can't really agree or disagree with someone's preference, they likely do have the preference they say and other people will have different preferences. I'm not saying they don't count, but they obviously don't represent the group that prefers the opposite thing to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:13 PM
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Flying debris? Be serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:04 AM
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As per usual, "women have been sending mixed signals" really means "different women are saying different things and this is confusing me as I think all women must be the same".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:55 AM
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Well, I really don't want to be treated like a child who would just choose to randomly run into the road.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:53 AM
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I am Gen Z. I've heard of that as a rule for walking with children so they don't run into the road...not with a partner though. Seems silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:56 AM
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In that case, it's valid to wonder why he didn't just listen to her and what she liked. Especially in the case of what kind of date she would like, it'd be easy to just ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:52 AM
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You're assuming that the men in these crime stats hurting their partners are worse than average instead of just being average. Normal people are more capable of harming someone else than they know.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:49 AM
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Well, my husband is a man and has wanted identical things to me in dating. So I guess I would've done the same thing as I actually did, warm approached people I had a crush on until I found someone who wanted a relationship with me and hopefully gotten married in my early twenties.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:45 AM
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Yes, I don't like those norms and have never had or wanted them in my relationship. I have always earned more than my husband and probably spend a bit more on him too. I don't even like being given gifts I can't repay, it makes me uncomfortable. I don't know what the "sidewalk rule" is and didn't know that standing in front of someone when the lift opened was a thing (why). I can open my own doors, I think it's a bit weird not to when you're not carrying something. I do not want or need someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:39 AM
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I'm saying "lucky you" as in "that's nice it happened to you, never happened to me". I don't think being hit on is "basic kindness".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:02 PM
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Does female puberty get celebrated in your culture? I think in the culture of most users here, no puberty gets celebrated, and that's fine. I find it odd to celebrate someone reaching puberty personally, the closest we would have would be having a bigger celebration for your sixteenth and/or eighteenth birthday.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:32 PM
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I did explain it. Did you not read? They'd expect that something would be done about it if they admitted to it. They'd expect the researchers would have to take some kind of action. Money is very vague. They don't have to be getting minimum wage. Much porn is produced illegally, if you watch it then certainly you have watched some that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:58 AM
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I'm saying that people saying they do porn for "money" is not the glowing endorsement you seem to think it is. It often does not pay highly (they don't even need to pay minimum wage if the whole operation is hidden anyway, and there are many situations with no pay or withheld pay) and tends to only be turned to in the absence of other options. Nordic model systems tend to address the causes of people getting into porn and prostitution, usually in financial terms and helping people get into other…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:21 AM
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It's an issue if any site has your ID really. It can be used to impersonate you in the case of a data leak. And credit card details are even worse, they can be used to directly spend your money. I'm anti porn, but still a tad salty I can't go on fetlife or buy sex toys here in the UK any more without a VPN.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:10 AM
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The acting is often not consensual. Often, pretending it is consensual is part of the acting. Medication is often used for example. I'm basing it on my experience in kink. I'm not an exhibitionist personally but I've come across enough stories from those who are and know the kinds of things they tend to like. I'm not even personally into vanilla sex very much, I know that the "vanilla" formula only appeals to certain people. These different kinds of porn are usually very similar, just with diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:00 AM
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Those who are currently in the industry cannot speak freely. Of course they won't say they're coerced even if they are. We can safely assume that those who signed up for the study were more privileged than average. "Money" as a motivation for doing porn generally indicates trying to get out of poverty or fund drug addiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:49 AM
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Acting is not bad in itself. However, I was talking about how people may not actually enjoy or consent to the content on screen, and they only appear to as they are acting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:13 AM
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Joy and nonconsent aren't mutually exclusive so consent is still something that needs to be considered separately. I didn't say it was always nonconsensual or trafficking. Saying "it can't have been rape if they enjoyed it" is disgusting. If you appear in porn you are doing work that is sex, that would make you a sex worker. Basically nobody does it for kink reasons (I don't know why you keep bringing up exhibitionism, you don't seem to know very much about the kink), but no matter the reason yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:12 AM
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I think being anti porn is fundamental to being sex positive. I also think that the things on your wish list realistically can never happen, so the only ethical and self-caring thing to do is avoid porn entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:00 AM
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What is it with porn users and conflating porn with sex toys?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:56 AM
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Using joy as the only metric of whether something is good ignores important things like consent and the impact on the lives of those effected. Even joy in the moment can turn into regret later.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:46 AM
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Masturbating while experiencibg something lets it have a pretty strong effect on your brain. That's why, for example, porn is addictive in a way that other media isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:38 AM
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Everyone is susceptible to influence. Again, this isn't like other media. No matter how good you are at critical thinking, you're changing your brain on a different level.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:53 PM
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Time to propose. I love nerds. Doesn't need to be a shared interest or anything (I've never watched Alien).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:36 PM
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No, I don't think it's that many. I don't find sex degrading either. Porn acting isn't really a safe space to practice exhibitionism. Nobody seems to actually choose to do it for kink reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:01 PM
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Youve just decided it's porn because you want it to be. Regardless, it's nothing like what we're dealing with in what's definitely porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:45 PM
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We have no way of ruling out that it was used as a hat either. Or that it was made by aliens.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:24 PM
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It's more that the one who regretted nothing is an exception to the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:24 PM
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We don't have any way of knowing the perspective of a cave person. That's a perspective we can only guess at here. And your guess has come out of nowhere, whereas mine is based on the most similar perspective we have, which is modern day people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:45 PM
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I'm just saying if absolutely nobody finds this arousing now, it's odd to assume it was arousing at any time. You might as well claim that a cave painting of a tiger is porn for all of the evidence of its effect. It is theorised that this was not intended to be erotic but a self-portrait. The odd proportions suggest that a woman made this of herself to depict how she looked.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:36 PM
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It doesn't contradict what I said at all, which was a prediction about what a different woman would do in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:30 PM
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Do you find it sexy?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:29 PM
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If someone had never intervened but instead looked on or joined in when an animal was hit, I wouldn't have any faith in them to step in when someone was hitting an animal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:20 PM
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You left out the end of her comment, she says she still wouldn't recommend it 😂 I think I do know better generally than those five years younger than me and they're free to use their agency to make their own mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:16 PM
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Good for you. I don't think they care for your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:52 PM
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If they don't care about women when it's easier to, they won't care when it's harder either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:52 PM
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Wellz they don't think they need to and they won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:51 PM
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You didn't even say something that contradicted what I said. "Many" does not mean "all".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:49 PM
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She'll go through with it and it'll end in tears and in a few years she'll be on X telling a nineteen-year-old that dating older men isn't worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:39 PM
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The ones who aren't even standing for them now?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:38 PM
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Regardless of whether you find relationships stupid, most people do value them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:36 PM
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Well, they're not going to all just do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:34 PM
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If you think a hookup with someone who doesn't give a shit about you would cure your "loneliness", you're not lonely, you're horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:27 PM
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They might not matter to you, but they still happen and can still have issues. Like porn use for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:25 PM
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Okay, and?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:22 PM
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One issue existing doesn't mean other issues can't exist. Something being optional doesn't make it not an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:21 PM
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Sure, but it does other things that are bad. Pretty direct consequences of objectifying women on sex and relationships with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:55 PM
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What views do you think I have on sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:54 PM
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But the videos are literally performances. Do you also think reality TV is real?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:50 PM
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I don't think that porn actors in general behave unethically at all. But they are usually treated unethically.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:46 PM
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If you see someone in a piece of publicly accessing media, I think it's a fair default assumption that they're not being their most authentic selves. Do you think reality TV is real too?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:45 PM
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Even if you think that, it's no bad thing that not watching porn helps with sex and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:40 PM
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I think that's quite a rosy picture, and many in that situation are still being treated unethically.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:38 PM
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Well, any good cause will have some who support it for bad reasons. Doesn't make it wrong. This is called ad hominem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:34 PM
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Because real couples can't act? How do you know they're real couples? They could be acting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:30 PM
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What a lovely, not at all misandrist view.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:29 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:26 PM
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I do listen and most who speak up after leaving speak of abuse. And of course those who speak and are listened to are generally the luckier and more privileged ones. I'm not however listening to anyone still in the industry's pay. It's likely not real. I'm not visiting porn websites or those set up to support the industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:25 PM
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Even for the rare person who enjoys it they're still acting. They're not going to be their real, authentic selves in videos that are publicly shared. It's not like joy is the only thing that matters here. It can be unethical even if everyone enjoys it. It can be fake even if everyone enjoys it. It can be harmful even if everyone enjoys it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:23 PM
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You mean what's called ethical or feminist porn. I'm aware it exists, I just don't think it's ethical or feminist, just some different branding that you clearly feel for. I never said anyone didn't have agency. Do you think if someone is mistreated they can't have any agency?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:21 PM
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Groups having overlap doesn't mean you can conflate them. Most knitters are women, that doesn't make them the same or their views the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:08 PM
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Not while they're still in the industry. Good for you but as I said I'm not so much interested in individual experience. You were the person who brought up child slavery. There are straight up child slaves in porn though. Point is that getting off to exploitation is a special kind of disgusting, so let's not compare to other forms of exploitation to say it's not that bad. Porn is usually exploitative. It is the problem. If there was such a thing as ethical porn I don't think anyone would sign up…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:07 PM
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You're conflating lots of different groups of people. I think men who don't watch porn are far happier. They even say as much after quitting. But it's hard to see while you're in the trap.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:59 AM
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Art of naked people at the time was crude and not everyone had access to it, especially not multiple different ones that changed every day and you could pick whatever you liked and looked real.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:44 AM
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Yes, I do assume that those who are knowingly making media to publicly share are acting rather than being their most truthful and authentic selves. I think that's a fair assumption. It doesn't just seem like acting, it is acting. Ejaculation was what I meant by forcing it. Male porn actors describe using various methods to ejaculate when they're not feeling it, which is usually. Sometimes the ejaculate used is even fake. Porn acting is different from other sex or exhibitionism, even exhibitionis…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:39 AM
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That slogan isn't even connected to the anti porn movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:25 AM
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Safe to assume they were attracted to real women too. Not that they were all sharing around this one statue or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:24 AM
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If you listen to ex performers that's not what they're saying at all. It basically never does get prosecuted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:23 AM
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Sure, mate. If you tone it down a bit then it looks a bit more believable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:22 AM
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Obviously they're not going to speak up against an industry they're currently in, but basically everyone has horrific stories to tell once they've left. Porn addiction is very normalised, many people can't even separate porn from masturbation any more. Anyway, it's just a notable difference. If someone enjoyed masturbating to watching child slavery in chocolate production you would call them sick. I never said anything about laws. There's a proven negative association between porn use and views …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:20 AM
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Cool, but the "porn" you mention is not arousing anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:11 AM
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I pity those on the receiving end.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:01 AM
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If it's not turning anyone on and they're not masturbating to it, it's not porn. Porn isn't just anything where someone is naked.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:00 AM
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Because couples and amateurs and people using toys don't act? It's still acting even if you're not good at it. Do you think reality TV is real too? The orgasm is very often acted out or forced. It doesn't indicate enjoyment or consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:59 AM
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While they are acting, they're also really having sex, many under coercion. Most porn actors experience rape in their careers. It's incredibly addictive and negatively shapes how you see sex and relationships and attitudes towards women and minorities. Normal books and films don't do this, and masturbating to porn is likely responsible for a lot of this effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:54 AM
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It's all acting, unless it's revenge porn where at least one party doesn't know it's being made. It's certainly not sex ed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:43 AM
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Would you masturbate to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:42 AM
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I want to know what you are counting as porn here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:35 AM
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The variety in your imagination is even greater.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:30 AM
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Again, what do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:29 AM
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You think the point of sex is to look good? I guess that is a common feeling for those who watch a lot of porn, decentering their pleasure in favour of feeling like they'd look good to an observer. I find it sad. It's not that you're thinking of sex during sex, but that you're thinking of other people having sex and feel that's normal. Especially as it's porn and that could've been someone else's worst moment...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:29 AM
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No, just humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:25 AM
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Is this like a validation thing or an ownership thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:25 AM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:18 AM
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What's the important difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:18 AM
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Even vanilla porn is set up to look good to cameras rather than actually feel good and consent is an afterthought at best. A good sex position is one that feels good rather than looking "interesting". You might want to reflect on the way you're even thinking of porn while you're having sex with another person. From an outside perspective it sounds horrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:17 AM
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I wonder what you think people did in the centuries of human history before porn. The idea that you need either real or imagined images to masturbate "to" has only really appeared with the spread of internet porn, as well as the idea that you need to turn yourself on to masturbate rather than just doing it when you're already horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:15 AM
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Just masturbate at that point if that's all you're getting out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:04 AM
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If you've had sex with over five hundred prostitutes, chances are you have, unless you've specifically only picked those who look much older than eighteen. I hope you haven't but it's not looking good statistically speaking, and I don't know why you're not concerned with the possibility or think it isn't your business (until someone points out you could've had sex with a child that is).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:03 AM
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Don't tell me you're actually trying out what you see in porn. To keep it brief, it displays a very distorted version of sex and consent that's not intended to be replicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:01 AM
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It's not a replacement. Masturbation may be a replacement, but saying porn is a replacement for sex is like saying looking at pictures and videos of food is a replacement for eating. Those who are anti porn are usually not against sex one bit. Many want to make sex and relationships healthier and believe less porn would lead to more and better relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:00 AM
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There are four constituent parts of the UK: England - has the weird partially criminalised model Scotland - has the weird partially criminalised model Wales - has the weird partially criminalised model Northern Ireland - has the Nordic model I hope that's clear now. The England/Scotland/Wales system is supposed to ban pimping among other things but this doesn't actually get rid of pimps so much as preventing prostitutes from working together and keeping an eye on each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:51 AM
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Which is what?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:48 AM
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You don't think it's your problem if you have sex with a child?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:48 AM
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Your idea of an improvement is incredibly twisted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:07 AM
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Porn isn't sex, and I'd argue porn is anti-sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:06 AM
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I can guarantee the age range only officially starts at eighteen. In reality it will be significantly lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:06 AM
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Johns are sex buyers. In England, Scotland and Wales the laws are more strict for prostitutes. Prostitution is technically legal but many parts of it are illegal so there'll always be some justification to punish if that's wanted. Only Northern Ireland has the Nordic model.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:05 AM
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How dare women have to like you to have sex or a relationship just as you have to like them! What awful hoops! You might have to talk to them or something. Obviously the solution is to try to buy someone who doesn't want to be with you. What a quality relationship, that's so much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:03 AM
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Like in the UK? Northern Ireland has the Nordic model and the rest of the UK is kind of selective enforcement but the it really only targets prostitutes, not johns.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:58 AM
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I replied to your comment before you edited it, which didn't really have a topic. There is more equality in dating now than there has been previously. It seems to be that equality is what you don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:54 AM
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I don't think that having preferences, or beyond preferences, people you just plain aren't attracted to, is discriminatory. It could be rooted in some discriminatory ideas but it usually isn't. Sexuality isn't all preferences, there are some people you just can't make yourself feel attraction towards and that's okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:09 AM
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I've never known a successful relationship to come from a random approach anywhere that wasn't a pub or club. Maybe in other countries it's normal to approach random strangers in the supermarket, but it makes no sense to do that here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:58 AM
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So you're saying these men are choosing to physically fight each other due to others getting into an argument. Seems to be their own problem. Women settle disputes without hitting each other or anyone getting killed. Perhaps you should associate with people with less aggression issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:47 AM
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You've been hit on unprompted? Lucky you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:35 AM
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I don't think you actually know what your friends would do in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:33 AM
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You think relationships would be better if your partner had no rights? Maybe they would be for someone who didn't care about their partner...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:32 AM
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If you don't date someone due to their gender is it sexist? We can't help who we're attracted to and we just can't be attracted to everyone equally, it's not discrimination to be attracted to some kinds of people and not others. People who openly partake possibly shame creators the hardest. Those who don't use the service just don't tend to be emotionally invested enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:31 AM
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Trusted? Women are in general less likely to be believed when they say anything. Desired? Women are largely treated as interchangable, even in a sexual or romantic sense. The common expression of "desire" women get is catcalling and harassment used to intimidate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:27 AM
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The most realistic scenario is that nobody does a thing to help. Someone, most likely a woman, might ask you if you're okay once he's gone but that's the best you'll get. How exactly are men getting killed due to their girlfriends "lipping off"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:25 AM
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You can't seriously tell me you don't think that OnlyFans creators and other porn stars are shamed. Not personally dating someone isn't discrimination either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:24 PM
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That's debatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:23 PM
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More like buying Starbucks and shaming people who work there. I would certainly judge someone who did that. It says something that you're seeing not personally dating someone as equivalent to shaming. Bet you didn't even notice your words don't match the post's words.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 05:49 PM
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This is absolutely just your guess rather than a statistic. (Also, what do you mean by "men"? Each individual man finds the majority of women attractive or for the majority of women there's at least one man who finds each one attractive?)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:19 PM
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You don't insult people when they flatter you. It puts you in that position maybe. Others react differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:43 PM
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That's not true. It's not a bad thing or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:42 PM
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Aren't women generally known for taking fewer risks, future planning more and living in the moment less? Of course I value a shared past and it would make me sad to leave that, but ultimately if something isn't working there's no use in forcing it just because of memories. I've not had a romantic relationship like this but I've had to do it with friendships. I'm not sure how to give an example of valuing it. It impacts on emotions certainly but what kind of behaviour change would you even expect…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:40 PM
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So you're treating women you don't think are attractive like they don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:19 PM
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Good for you. Maybe you are flattered. I've experienced, at best, annoyance. Nobody wants to say they didn't like it, it's not a good look.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:18 PM
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You did not say you agreed and you said you couldn't even imagine a woman having a similar experience. Maybe you thought you did but you can just scroll up. And in my experience, no, they aren't flattered at all. Men really don't like it when a woman they don't like tries to make a move. They like it when a woman they find hot does though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:07 PM
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I'm not saying that lived experience is nonexistent. I'm saying women can experience it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:54 PM
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It's like some men don't even acknowledge the existence of non hot women or something, they can't even imagine them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:51 PM
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In that case there isn't one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:37 PM
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Because we don't care about women's rights elsewhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:58 AM
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Nobody specified a country...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:47 AM
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You're not serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:09 AM
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There are many actual laws currently in place that restrict women's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:05 AM
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All sorts of things get said, doesn't mean they get done.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:55 AM
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It's public information.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:49 AM
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So nothing is actively being added as you claimed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:48 AM
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Why did you reply the same thing to me twice?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:47 AM
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They're identical in terms of sentencing, just not wording. Conviction of any kind of sex crime is rare. Domestic violence laws are not gendered whatsoever. Women commit crimes less and when they do they tend to be less violent. A more lenient sentence generally just indicates the way in which a crime is fine, usually with less violence and drama.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:46 AM
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I've never come across someone who's been worried about doxxing just from what country they're from...I suppose that talking about an unknown country isn't going to be useful to anyone then. What restrictions do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 09:02 AM
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If you call someone a cunt, censored or uncensored, you're going to be banned for being rude to them, not for using the word cunt.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:50 AM
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That never stopped them marching for anything else. Look how many men have taken to the streets in western Europe to protest immigration...if they wanted to they would.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:48 AM
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Most feminists I interact with are just normal people and don't have a particularly academic education. Shared custody being the default doesn't mean it's taken up. Simply put, a lot of men don't want it and turn down the offer. But it's usually offered. There are also many single custody cases that aren't after divorce where the father is often unknown, there's not much that can be done then. Men and women would generally take children with them while they hunted, gathered and farmed. Nobody co…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:45 AM
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Which country? Many German women have actually wanted the opportunity to do national service.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:41 AM
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"Feminists" as a whole don't concern themselves with it. Ask the average British feminist and they've probably never even heard of it. As previously stated, if people were protesting this I'd imagine it was a few people holding signs at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:40 AM
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Where do you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:57 AM
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You're not familiar enough with the odd kinds of wordings it has to know this is kind of par for the course for British law. Well, it's not like it's a big feminist issue even in the UK and it's never been a hard fight, maybe a few people held posters up one time or something. But nobody really cares as it only affects wording, not outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:56 AM
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I will say this only once. The average number of women that women approach per capita is (number of women approached by women/number of women). The number of women approached by lesbians per capita is (number of women approached by lesbians/number of lesbians). What you were referring to was (number of lesbians approached by lesbians/number of lesbians), which is, I guess, the number of lesbians approached by lesbians per capita, but that's certainly not what you said it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:54 AM
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They're actually more likely to get sole custody than women when they try.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:51 AM
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As stated in my reply to your other comment that's not quite it. I didn't say the UK was a "prime example of virtues [sic] of feminists". I simply responded to your claims by giving the reality of what happens, you didn't state the country so I applied it to the one in which I live.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:50 AM
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British law is weird in many aspects and the case of rape is one of them. A woman having nonconsensual sex with a man, or a man having nonconsensual sex with a woman that does not include pentetration with a penis, is just as illegal as nonconsensual penetration of a man or woman with a penis and carries the same sentencing, but is not legally given the term rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:47 AM
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You'll forgive me for not responding to the rest of your comment when your first line shows you're talking about a country I explicitly was not talking about and am not familiar with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:44 AM
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Okay, you really, really do not know what per capita means.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:43 AM
4

I don't have any magic view, I just actually listen to what feminists say, read feminist thoughts and see what feminists advocate for. Feminists very much support the idea of men doing more childcare and other household work. The concept of primary caregiver is just there to show who is caring for the child, there are still plenty of men who are primary caregivers and if it was supposed to just be for women that wouldn't be possible. Even if there is a primary caregiver prior to divorce, in many…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:42 AM
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How many policies in your country are about women specifically? In my countries (the UK and Ireland), I believe there are none.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:36 AM
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Men can choose to be the primary caregiver if they wish. If they have not wished so far to care for their children and equal or greater amount, it's a fair assumption that this won't change just because they're divorced. Feminists usually strongly support more men becoming primary caregivers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:34 AM
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Now, this will depend on your country obviously, but in the UK: -Equal custody is the default in any family court, assuming both parents want it. Feminists support this, they would like fathers to have more of a role in children's lives instead of all of the work being pushed onto mothers. -Gender discrimination is illegal, but you can make moves to make your workforce, education course, etc more accessible to certain groups if they are underrepresented (yes, this includes men). Feminists suppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:32 AM
3

That's great for you and all but many women don't have relationship options they don't have to work for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:34 AM
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The only women I've actually come across with this kind of expectation aren't career women and don't even work full time, or expect to work part time or not at all after having children to take care of.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:32 AM
4

Men have always been scared or at least claimed they were scared that that women getting more rights would ruin their romantic relationships or make women sexually or romantically undesirable, whether through modern accusations of "hypergamy" or otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:29 AM
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You know what actually happens when the police attend an alleged domestic abuse case (if they even do)? They give both parties a talking to and maybe suggest someone stays with a friend for the night usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:25 AM
3

The only time I've actually heard this used is when, although both have technically consumed alcohol, the man is a bit tipsy and the woman is blackout drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:23 AM
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People don't tend to talk about not doing things, especially to people who think it's uncool, so this is just a case of confirmation bias on your partner as well as probably reflecting the content of your friend group more than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:21 AM
20

I'm guessing that most of the women asked just didn't hook up in general...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:44 PM
1

I dare say that not having casual sex could be more usual than having it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:38 PM
1

I hope you're not calling that a research paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:37 PM
1

Way more than a handful. A lot of people have three or fewer partners their whole lives, and it's unlikely any of them were casual when there were so few. Lifetime sex partner distribution is clustered at the lower end in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:35 PM
1

Many don't want to, even if you like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:25 PM
1

Not everyone has the same taste as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:24 PM
2

And human beings all have casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:19 PM
5

And you think this because...?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:03 PM
6

You've assumed that most women have had casual sex but I don't think that's true. And if they're choosing not to, that kind of shows it isn't needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:58 PM
3

I've never noticed any man being secretly than me, but given the general lack of men who have been explicitly interested in me, I kind of just assume that there haven't been any men who have been secretly interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:16 PM
1

If your country has gender discrimination laws for employment, they were likely broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:42 AM
1

I used a dating app once! How about you ask out everyone you see to find out how many options you have? Or are you refusing to do what's necessary to actually acquire a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:04 AM
1

I'd say we need to deemphasise beauty entirely. It's okay for women to not be beautiful or pretty. They don't need to be thinking about it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:03 AM
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Claiming you have secret options is completely unfalsifiable. You have a hundred options, you've just never explored them and they haven't made themselves known in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:49 AM
1

Many have zero at any given time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:48 AM
1

They just want to avoid criticism and bullying usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:46 AM
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I'm not comfortable with sex unless I know someone well, which would be past the point where someone who's just in it for sex would've given up. Having actually interesting conversations and them wanting to spend time with me even when we're not doing anything physical would also indicate they're interested in a relationship in the early stages.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:20 PM
1

They want to look like her, and they certainly don't want to look like her for themselves or other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:39 PM
1

You can express yourself artistically with any material, but that doesn't mean you do. Makeup can rarely be called expressionist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:39 PM
3

In my entire life I've had one option at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:38 PM
1

But obviously, not everything is art.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:10 PM
2

Looking good can make other women dislike you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:08 PM
1

You maybe shouldn't be posting here if you don't get how debate works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:02 PM
1

I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:57 PM
0

We have different opinions. This is a debate subreddit. I am allowed to express feeling differently to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:56 PM
1

I'm guessing you're not going to read it. Oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:52 PM
1

I quoted from the study where it contradicted what you said...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:52 PM
0

I get why people tell themselves that. Otherwise it just feels depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:51 PM
0

You should be able to just be already. There's nothing wrong with your skin looking as it is. I used to be into makeup for years. Changing a few small details and colours just isn't very artistic. It's process-based really. You're just romantasising it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:51 PM
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You become experienced at bland, genetic sex with people you don't know very well and don't need to please enough to keep...what a catch. Listen to women and they'll tell you they don't find casual sex generally very enjoyable anyway. If you're staying with a partner, they don't care how many different people you can please, they want you to be very good at pleasing them and that's a different skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:44 PM
2

By "reasonable" you mean "don't actually read or question the study", right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:41 PM
1

I'm sorry you feel the need to go through that for the approval of others. Art is creative and expressive. People do use makeup as art to make themselves look like tigers and aliens...but I'm guessing that you're going for a normal, uncreative look.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:40 PM
1

I was directly quoting her...it seems she did change her mind, perhaps this hasn't been peer reviewed, oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:38 PM
1

This person claimed to have proof and "stats" for their claim, so I asked for it. I didn't make a counterclaim or say evidence existed for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:37 PM
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You hadn't even seen any stats when you wrote that... Anyway, it's a perfectly valid response to ask what you're referring to specifically when you say "stats".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:36 PM
1

The analysis changes in the next section.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:34 PM
2

The reason is that you claimed there was proof!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:34 PM
0

Did I say I had any?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:33 PM
1

You shouldn't have to do that to be left alone by others. Men with your condition don't feel they have to. I'm guessing you're not doing anything wild and different with your makeup that would be artistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:32 PM
1

They can't be picky with only one option. Then it's take it or leave it. Makes them more likely to take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:31 PM
1

The approval of straight women is not based on how hot you look. Experimenting means testing out things that you will then wear out of the house later, it's just practice. Your husband isn't the only man who will reward you if you look hot and punish you if you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:30 PM
1

I suggest you read it yourself, as it claims the relationship between physical attractiveness and number of sexual partners is practically nonexistent for women...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:27 PM
1

You're just getting clues as to what it contains, the methodology could be completely messed up and you have no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:19 PM
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Sorry mate, I don't have £41 to spend on it and I'm guessing you didn't pay to read it either. Maybe don't base your claims on information you don't know?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:56 PM
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Theres nothing enjoyable about it, straight women don't care how pretty other women look, and it's not like you're going around alone in your house looking at yourself and getting pleasure from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:54 PM
1

You know how to reference, right? As in you link a study, not an article that refers to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:50 PM
2

The general complaint of men on this subreddit is about finding a date in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:49 PM
3

You said women per capita, not lesbians per capita. And still duh. It's not like lesbians have anywhere near as wide a range of women they can approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:45 PM
-1

Straight women don't wear makeup for themselves or for other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:43 PM
0

That's a bold claim to make without any references!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:41 PM
5

If a woman is less pretty, she's less likely to already be in a relationship or getting any attention and more likely to be desperate. Aren't men here always complaining about women with too many options being too picky? Pick a woman with less options then...or maybe you're picky too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:39 PM
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