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Fundamentalsmanonpoint_com/r/seduction14/07/20 05:57 PM
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Resourcesmanonpoint_com/r/seduction10/07/20 02:10 PM
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Logisticsmanonpoint_com/r/seduction29/06/20 07:44 PM
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Eye contact is all about practice. This is the easiest one too learn, you simply do it. Start with people you are comfortable with, like friends and family. Then proceed to people you have to interact with, like the barista at the local coffee shop. When you talk to them look them in the eye, no matter how uncomfortable. Rinse, repeat, consciously think about it, and do it, and eventually it will become second nature. The other stuff is a bit harder--because you have to get into more interaction…
/r/seduction27/09/20 09:18 PM
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Even the best looking guys I know who have counts in the 100s -- most are 6s and 7s. However, a good number are also 9s and 10s. But the majority are always 6s and 7s. Here's what usually happens--you can get the 9 or even 10 but it's a lot of work--the 6 or 7 half the time requires almost no work or will do the work for you...
/r/seduction08/08/20 12:25 AM
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By getting women. Once you start actually getting women, this feeling greatly diminishes.
/r/seduction08/08/20 12:24 AM
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I've been losing my hair since 21. I am in my late 30s now. Shaved it all off mostly at 32 i think? Here's what I've noticed (very crudely) With girls < 28 it has a modest negative effect With girls > 28 it has very little effect With non-white girls -- positive effect on every age It also increases my "looks variance" -- more girls think I am less attractive as a bald guy, but also more girls think I am MORE attractive! Overall, at your age, it will probably be a slight negative, but not that b…
/r/seduction08/08/20 12:22 AM
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It helps a lot. Makes you more attractive (including your *face* by losing excess fat), gives you more confidence, makes you appear more powerful, and also makes more guys think you are cool due to stereotype which helps boost confidence and social proof.
/r/seduction08/08/20 12:19 AM
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Yea I agree it does help, but similar risk I find--you lose more girls than the benefit because almost all girls will hook up if they like you anyways.
/r/seduction28/07/20 02:03 PM
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I usually skip the flirty interaction as it's also unnecessary, but you hit the nail on the head here: " BUT you do not want to ask for a hookup directly. " That is a huge mistake so many guys make. It turns off a lot of women who would bang, and any girl who would bang if you asked directly will also bang if you don't ask directly.
/r/seduction28/07/20 02:01 AM
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Don't. Picking up "hired guns" is advanced enough shit that if you're asking for advice on it here, no offense, but you aren't ready for it. Either way, if you really want to know, the way I've gotten hired guns (and not that many because it's usually a huge fucking waste of time versus "regular" girls) is get them interested in me--they made the move pretty much every time. Unless you want to find a new starbucks when you crash and burn, get her interested in you. Not sure how you would do that…
/r/seduction28/07/20 01:58 AM
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Having interesting and engaging conversation is what matters. Just move close, leaning in while talking, touch her, etc. That's all the flirting you need. You don't need to "flirt" with words. Not that it's bad, but it's actually not nearly as necessary as you think. Escalation is physical, and best done with physical actions, not words.
/r/seduction28/07/20 01:56 AM
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Covid obviously throws a wrench in this, but the answer is--I don't chat with them all that much, I just try to get a number and a date, not maintain a bunch of internet chat buddies going.
/r/seduction23/07/20 03:46 PM
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I'm not responding for you bro. I'm responding for the people reading this thread so they don't go thinking asking girls to pay for her own drinks on a first date is attractive.
/r/seduction23/07/20 02:21 AM
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We're talking about the price of a date, not buying her diamond necklaces. $15-20 isn't "tricking off money". Picking your date up in a lambo goign to $500 dinners is "tricking off money". I'm guessing you're quite a bit younger than me which might explain your view here and how you value of certain quantities of money. I also understand what you are saying, and I agree, but your advice isn't going to accomplish that--instead of seeing you for you, she's gonna see you for being cheap and poor.
/r/seduction23/07/20 02:17 AM
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"financially responsible" is relevant to amounts of money that matter. If whether you spend $30 or $60 on a date matters to you then you're not really in that great a financial situation or you ARE cheap, both are unattractive. If it's about filtering out girls, beta men constantly worry about girls using them for a $15 drink. Alpha men don't give a shit about $15 one way or the other, they know their value and they know girls aren't dating them to make 15 bucks. EDIT: I do agree, opening with "…
/r/seduction23/07/20 02:04 AM
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Dude I've lived in some of the most expensive cities in the US filled with gold diggers relative to almost anywhere and it is a myth. Splitting the bill is what cheap bastards do who can't afford a freaking date, and girls know you're either poor/cheap or both if you try to split the bill, and it will hurt your odds. Of course you can still succeed, but it makes it harder for what, to save $38? Don't know what girlfriends you have but virtually every girl I know, which is many, regularly shit on…
/r/seduction23/07/20 01:41 AM
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The myth that girls regularly use guys for food and drinks, especially on an actual date is massively overblown. There are gold diggers out there, but the vast majority of girls would much rather NOT hang with a guy they aren't into for a free meal. What is way more common is girls getting turned off by cheap ass dude behavior. Now I am not saying take a girl out to a $500 dinner every date when you can't afford to do that regularly, you do make a valid point about setting expectations, but you'…
/r/seduction23/07/20 01:32 AM
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Definitely not too old. I'm in my late 30s and have been as successful as ever, even relative to my 25 year old days despite being balder, older, and uglier. However, I came into my age with a lot of experience I developed over nearly 20 years, so it's not exactly the same, but it's easy to catch up on like 80+% of what you need to be successful with women very quickly.
/r/seduction22/07/20 06:46 PM
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Agree except for paying. This is a common myth that continues to be perpetuated on these subs mostly because, well, most people, including the original guys who came up with this don't pay for shit, are cheap and/or poor. The guys back in Mystery's day had to rationalize their not paying because they were all fucking broke, not because it's wise strategy. Now, I'm talking about paying for a drink at the bar, or paying for a date, not randomly buying girls shit. Yea, randomly buying her crap (esp…
/r/seduction22/07/20 06:42 PM
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Yea I'm in the US also .. if someone approached me while im walking down the street wearing my mask I would probably punch them in the face. But sounds like you're talking about parties. Guess that explains a lot re the virus spreading, I mean, I don't know if you're at a party not sure what it even matters mask or no mask just approach like normal.
/r/seduction21/07/20 11:16 PM
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You had a lot of opportunities to be assertive and act and you didn't take them, and she is starting to lose interest, or lost interest completely. You've gotta make a move man, flirting over text and DM is fucking pointless--get her out on a date.
/r/seduction21/07/20 11:14 PM
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Sounds like your issue is really just opening. It's pretty common among better looking guys who get by without having to open. But your problem doesn't seem like passivity since you know how to escalate and you have good conversation skills, it's just that you don't open. So open more.
/r/seduction21/07/20 11:12 PM
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Approaching people wearing face masks does make you an asshole in my opinion. You didn't even test positive or have an antibody test but you are sure you're immune. We don't even know if that makes you immune. Either way, if someone is wearing a face mask, it's highly likely they are cautious about coming into contact with others and also want to socially distance, so going up to them I mean, in my opinion, it makes you a dick.
/r/seduction21/07/20 11:09 PM
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No, rejection is not "good". It's better to not get rejected than to get rejected. That is pretty obvious. It's more that, rejection is not as bad as it is made out to be, and some good things can come out of a rejection (such as learning what not to do, or gaining experience).
/r/seduction21/07/20 11:07 PM
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You don't bring it up in conversation. You meet up and then escalate and see if she is receptive.
/r/seduction21/07/20 11:06 PM
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Don't read too much into this level of detail. If they engage you with any eye contact and smile, that's a positive, or at least not a negative. Going down the rabbit hole of specific details of where they are looking (which is harder to tell than you think to begin with) is over analyzing.
/r/seduction21/07/20 11:05 PM
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Honestly, avoiding a phone conversation isn't that bad an idea if you can meet--though that might be tough given Covid. If you want your mind to not go blank, prepare some content to talk about in advance. It sounds ridiculous, but it can help a lot.
/r/seduction21/07/20 05:48 PM
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you really shouldn't need to to be honest. Usually if they take too much work just to get on a date I don't even bother and move on.
/r/seduction20/07/20 10:04 PM
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You do it with outer game.. following some of the advice I gave (like 1:1 initiation ratio of conversation etc.), and by getting better with women in general. When you see you can get women, then you will naturally have more of an abundance mentality. Outer game leads to inner game--that's the easiest path in my opinion. "have an abudance mentality" is very difficult and vague advice to follow. "Do not text her twice in a row" is easy concrete advice to follow "Speak louder and maintain eye cont…
/r/seduction20/07/20 07:05 PM
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Actually it's not right. It's wrong. If you aren't getting women it is not because you are "too smart" despite what you may want to believe or what your friends tell you. I can't speak for your particular situation, but intelligence is a major turn on for virtually all women. That is not your problem.
/r/seduction18/07/20 06:56 PM
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You do have a point. But it is not necessarily LOOKS, it is whether or not they are INTERESTED IN YOU. If you go for tease right off the bat, then all that will matter is looks, because you haven't demonstrated anything of value other than your appearance--you just approached! Demonstrate value first, get her intrigued first, attracted ideally, then you tease to escalate some. Of course, this is how I approach things. I am not in the hardcore tease-push-pull-neg camp--I find DHV is way more effe…
/r/seduction18/07/20 03:45 PM
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Generally, good thing, but you absolutely can overdo it and have it backfire.
/r/seduction18/07/20 03:43 PM
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Are you a guy or girl? If you are a guy and someone told you being smart is a negative with women that is one of the most moronic statements I have ever heard in my life. EDIT: I see in your profile you are a guy. Whoever told you that, stop listening to them for dating advice, or honestly, maybe any advice, because I will emphasize again how utterly insanely idiotic that statement is.
/r/seduction18/07/20 03:31 PM
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In my opinion being smart is one of the easiest ways to attract women outside of looks. It is highly correlated with power and success in life and women dig that. And smart people are often more interesting and fun to be around. You don't have to actually be super high IQ, you just have to be knowledgeable about things, interesting, and be funny.
/r/seduction18/07/20 03:29 PM
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Honestly, it depends how much he likes you--but there's little downside in holding off for a couple months. You might scare him away if you do it way too early, but if he likes you, he will definitely not be scared away if you don't do it.
/r/seduction18/07/20 03:28 PM
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Ya I've done it--way harder in my opinion, but usually, if they are willing to keep engaging you they are already interested so you just have to not screw it up.
/r/seduction18/07/20 03:26 PM
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So first of all, you are actually in a good spot because you recognize that you are seeing flaws and negatives due to being outcome dependent and not because you think they are legitimate. Many guys go through life never recognizing that their "eh, she's not that great" excuses are because they fear rejection. The key is to just do it man. The downsides are so minimal--worst case you get rejected? Yea it sucks but it happens to everyone, a lot. Man, I've had a girl literally just walk out in the…
/r/seduction18/07/20 03:25 PM
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What's the context, how did you get them over to begin with? I have rarely ever needed anything to escalate--offer them a drink or water or whatever and sit on the couch and escalate and see if they are receptive or not. If they agree to come over they are usually receptive (but do not take it for granted ever). If they are coming over for a first date (like never met before) then board game of sorts is good--which one doesn't matter that much.
/r/seduction18/07/20 03:22 PM
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In that case--she matched you, just get it to a real date, assuming you live somewhere where covid is not a thing, like, uh, new zealand? That's the best indicator of interest and the only one that matters, her giving out her real phone number and agreeing to meet up to specific plans you made.
/r/seduction18/07/20 03:19 PM
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There is a 'tease' or straight up rude. Sounds like you are thinking about straight up rude someone with no interest. In that case, I probably just ignore it and eject from the set soon after. Who cares. There's no benefit getting into it with some random girl who isn't interested to make some political statement about double standards.
/r/seduction18/07/20 03:12 PM
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In what setting/context? At a bar? Online chat? On a date?
/r/seduction18/07/20 03:10 PM
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In my opinion hitting on girls at work is bad news. Always go indirect at work and let them make the moves.
/r/seduction18/07/20 03:09 PM
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A few ways. One, you'll get used to it more often. Rejection is really common, and you'll get more accustomed to it. Two, have some successes. Once you start having some success, you'll realize how much is a "numbers game" and you'll get some confidence. Three, don't put yourself in situations where you know you will get rejected. Not saying this is you as I have no details, but a lot of guys who complain about rejection constantly put themselves in the situation--like asking out the bartender, …
/r/seduction18/07/20 03:08 PM
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Make sure your place isn't a dump to begin with. (Clean up, especially make sure the bathrooms are clean and have toilet paper) And then, don't be a creepy and overly aggressive--you won't need to be, she already agreed to come to your place which means shes already comfortable--you just need to keep her comfortable more than make her comfortable.
/r/seduction17/07/20 01:44 AM
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It's not that inefficient for LTRs. One of the easiest ways to get into an LTR is to sleep w/the person.
/r/seduction17/07/20 01:42 AM
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It's right. Don't get me wrong conversation is powerful, but it is most powerful as a way to demonstrate your value. I do everything I can to increase my value, for myself and women. Gym, dress well, make more money, get good at more things, learn about more things, the list is endless.
/r/seduction17/07/20 01:40 AM
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There's a difference between being yourself and being your best self. If you aren't going to be your best self, someone else will, and he will get the girl, not you. You can still be you, but be the best you, not the lazy ass you that wants to play video games at home in your underwear.
/r/seduction17/07/20 01:38 AM
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last minute resistance
/r/seduction16/07/20 06:10 PM
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thanks brother
/r/seduction16/07/20 01:32 AM
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I mean you can try to walk it back as a failed joke, and if she really likes you, she'll look for an excuse to give you another chance, but unless she is really into you, recovering from that awful message is going to be hard. Lesson learned for next time.
/r/seduction15/07/20 07:43 PM
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Personally, I prefer using physical touch to amp sexual tension, not sexual conversation. Actions speak louder than words, definitely in this context. Now if you're talking about "non-sexual" flirting more to show sense of humor that's different, but sounds like you're trying to get the conversation sexual. I used to do this, but I found I get laid more if I let my eyes and touch do the talking vs my mouth.
/r/seduction15/07/20 07:40 PM
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Need more context--is this really a form of LMR, or is this an excuse she's using because she isn't interested?
/r/seduction15/07/20 07:38 PM
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I mean i get their phone number within 30 seconds and arrange a date, I don't need IG--I don't game much before a first date when doing online dating. I'm probably older than you which might make a difference--but I've been doing it that way since my early 20s before swipe apps were even a thing and it's been working.
/r/seduction15/07/20 07:31 PM
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Agreed. Honestly, you shouldn't be getting to the point where you get a 'hard No' -- you should be getting the signals way before then.
/r/seduction15/07/20 06:11 PM
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Yes. Some of the principles here I think are sound, but these examples, other than Tell me about your family aren't great in my opinion--and some like the BF line are cringeworthy.
/r/seduction15/07/20 06:10 PM
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Often more than that-- i'ts a euphemism for rejected. Friends actually regularly hang-out. Most "friendzones" don't even have that component.
/r/seduction15/07/20 04:04 PM
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It's definitely possible to turn a friend into a girlfriend or a lover, and I agree you can sometimes get higher quality girls that way--and I know guys like you who mostly "operate" that way; however, it's most definitely a much longer arduous road than traditional means of meeting people.
/r/seduction15/07/20 04:02 PM
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100%. The problem solving is a huge one I missed--I will add that.
/r/seduction15/07/20 02:46 PM
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It's a tough situation when you have such kind of trauma, and there was a good post here which I missed which is needy behavior--always trying to solve her problems/going out of your way to do that. It sounds like you did a lot of that and it started to become part of YOUR personality--interestingly, this is also common with women (I don't mean this in an insulting way btw) who make their lives about someone else to the point it becomes a part of them, and then when that is no longer needed or n…
/r/seduction15/07/20 02:45 PM
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I think you have a good point--however, it will also help cure neediness here is why: When you "fake it until you make it" you will observe a few things: (a) that being non-needy doesn't hurt your odds and actually helps them, which will motivate you to be non-needy (b) you will be more successful with women, which will also make you less needy (more options/abundance mentality) (c) you will start to accustom to engaging in non-needy behavior--and it will become your norm, and you will naturally…
/r/seduction15/07/20 02:43 PM
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I think age is a factor but a bigger factor (correlated to age) is experience. When you get old enough you'll realize that the butterfly feeling goes away--no matter how infatuated or in love you are. Once you've gotten that girl you had the pit in your stomach every time you see her name pop up in a text message and that nervous feeling every time before you meet up, you'll realize that those feelings will too fade--and it will be a major step in becoming truly, intrinsically non-needy. It will…
/r/seduction15/07/20 02:39 PM
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These are part of the challenges of going down the long distance road to begin with. It's a major hurdle, often insurmountable. I don't know the specifics of your case but it's really difficult to make long distance work after 3-4 weeks, because that just isn't enough time to build a strong enough connection for one or the other to want to commit to the struggles of long distance--even if you play your cards right.
/r/seduction15/07/20 02:35 PM
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I can't speak for japan--only been in japan once in 2013 for a few days back when tinder wasn't hooked up to IG--met some girl there off of it.
/r/seduction15/07/20 01:34 AM
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I mean it's ok to have some conversation but try to get her out on a date. If she keeps skirting the subject after you bring it up multiple times, as I wrote in one of my responses here--it's time to move on.
/r/seduction15/07/20 01:18 AM
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Thank you man. Glad to see growth. How i've grown since 17, man, I'm not even remotely the same person.
/r/seduction15/07/20 12:20 AM
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Sure, it makes sense--I just think it's maybe easier to get through a relationship, but I'm in no way advocating that a relationship is for everyone.
/r/seduction15/07/20 12:19 AM
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thank you. I like to try to mix "inner game" advice with actual things you can do, cause I know how hard it is to "love yourself/be the prize" without more context.
/r/seduction15/07/20 12:18 AM
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it's definitely part of it, but another common thing I see is "rationalized neediness" where guys KNOW they shouldn't text her again, but they come up with some excuse or rationalization to do so anyways.
/r/seduction14/07/20 11:49 PM
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No i mean, I'm not sure the actual words you are saying--what are you actually saying specifically? That can make a big difference, because this general approach is not necessarily bad, BUT, if you say it in a creepy way it can be very bad. It has to be in a funny/kind of joking way from my experience.
/r/seduction14/07/20 11:38 PM
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Well non-exclusivity and relationships are, no pun intended, not mutually exclusive. Friendship is not the same as living with a girlfriend. At least not from my experience.
/r/seduction14/07/20 11:36 PM
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Disagree. It's actually not that different. Most conversion/closing is done on the first date, not the actual meet up, and online dating vs met at a bar first dates are quite similar, and is especially similar for the many guys who do day game here, cause there you don't have the main difference between real life and OLD which is the same night close.
/r/seduction14/07/20 11:34 PM
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Interesting I find text converts way more dates than IG.. girls give out IG like candy on halloween, but are more guarded with phone number--which means more investment/more interest if they give it. Either way though, it's all about building enough attraction vs the medium you use.
/r/seduction14/07/20 11:31 PM
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Personally I don't link IG. Have only had one girl out of god knows how many ask about it. But I usually have at least 5 or more pics, so there's no question as to what I look like. Also, it makes a difference based on your age too.
/r/seduction14/07/20 11:29 PM
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Not sure what you are saying, but I've actually had some success with: "Hey! I like you" as an opener.
/r/seduction14/07/20 11:23 PM
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I think sending that message is good, but the actual words "I want to get to know you better" is something a chick says during LMR.
/r/seduction14/07/20 11:22 PM
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Not sure I follow--you are saying, you (the guy) should ask "why don't you like me?" or the girl asking it?
/r/seduction14/07/20 11:15 PM
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I don't really agree desire for relationships stems from neediness. There is value and enjoyment derived out of having a long term relationship with someone--a comfort, closeness, ability to confide in, and even practically, someone to do shit with, that is valuable to a lot of people.
/r/seduction14/07/20 11:14 PM
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The key when it comes to escalation is about having the option--about getting her to want you to kiss her/etc. Not as much about actually doing it. Though if you don't do it at some point, she'll think you aren't interested.
/r/seduction14/07/20 10:57 PM
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lol. It's all about calibration...
/r/seduction14/07/20 10:51 PM
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PDA is different. Not sure if you downloaded my first date draft I was giving out a few days ago--but I mention I actually like to avoid PDA and prefer to keep the tension, so yes, I agree with that 100% and do the same as your friend. But that is not the same as not escalating. You still want to be in a position where they want to kiss you--so you want to escalate to that point, and maybe even beyond, but just don't actually do it until you get to your place.
/r/seduction14/07/20 10:41 PM
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Yep... hundreds of women have gone out of their way to tell me how refreshing it is that I proposed actual concrete plans.
/r/seduction14/07/20 10:36 PM
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It will come off as needy and corny. And I agree with /u/StephenDawg that the phrase "getting to know you better" is cringe worthy, at least in american english. You also have to remember that while Models is great-- Mark manson is a tall attractive intelligent successful guy. Vulnerability way more effective when youve built a lot of attraction than before. If you haven't built attraction, vulnerability I would argue comes off as needy and unattractive. And most definitely do not tell her she i…
/r/seduction14/07/20 10:34 PM
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In my opinion get to know them on the date. Every situation is different, but generally, I try to just get them out as soon as possible. However, if you see she wants to engage, then don't like, ignore her.
/r/seduction14/07/20 10:19 PM
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yea this is a "next" situation unfortunately. I've been in this boat once or twice, getting my hopes up etc. but I realized that it's futile. Besides, don't you want someone who *wants* to go out with you? vs has to be begged?
/r/seduction14/07/20 09:41 PM
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In these type of situations--where I never met up or only met up like 1x or 2x I just ghost.
/r/seduction14/07/20 09:12 PM
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The truth is I don't go down this long distance road unless I am already in a relationship with them, or if I'm warming things up for when I'm moving to a new place. Then you naturally have to text more, but still, every few days is often sufficient, and 1:1 ratio still make sense.
/r/seduction14/07/20 08:48 PM
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Have you met her before? If you haven't even met, and she just disappears or ignores you/changes the subject when you bring up a meet up--I next. If they continue to text I just ignore. I wrote about this too actually: https://manonpoint.com/when-to-next-her/ This paragraph covers this exact situation: " She Chats, Texts, Snaps, DMs, Except When You Ask to Meet up By far the most common “next her” situation, even for more advanced guys, is the girl who is super chatty and responsive via snaps, t…
/r/seduction14/07/20 08:30 PM
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Been using it successfully in big to medium cities for the most part, and one suburb but that was pre swipe days (so old fashioned match.com style online dating)
/r/seduction14/07/20 08:28 PM
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It is almost never a strategy to take it slow. Never. I wrote a whole article about why taking it slow is almost always bad: https://manonpoint.com/taking-it-slow-is-bad-dating-strategy/ But basically, the crux of it is--if you move too slowly, you show lack of confidence, lack of interest, and you give another guy an opportunity to swoop in and close. You also don't benefit from the natural attachment that occurs after sex.
/r/seduction14/07/20 06:56 PM
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Be present in the moment instead of letting your mind wander. Think about concrete actions you are going to take in the conversation, and execute.
/r/seduction14/07/20 06:54 PM
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Hit the nail on the head here. I wrote about how shyness hurts game a few days ago and my suggestions were basically exactly what you described with a few others like make sure you speak with Volume and position yourself in physical proximity to the action (not just looking on to the group from the side) The whole thing is here https://manonpoint.com/shyness-not-introverted-is-hurting-your-dating-life/ but /u/sontiac and the two points i added above mostly cover it. As for drinking game--this wo…
/r/seduction14/07/20 06:52 PM
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I try to avoid the subject like the plague, or covid.
/r/seduction14/07/20 06:49 PM
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I disagree. Besides being by far the easiest, I find the quality is pretty similar to IRL. Getting 9s and 10s is the only thing that is much harder online than in real life in my opinion. Everything else is much easier online.
/r/seduction14/07/20 06:49 PM
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I think this is potentially an age thing. In my 30s, I have only had *1* person out of many inquire about my insta--most are down to meet really quickly, because after all, wtf is the point of being on the app other than to meet.
/r/seduction14/07/20 06:47 PM
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thanks. glad you liked it.
/r/seduction14/07/20 06:36 PM
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how is this upvoted? haha
/r/seduction14/07/20 12:23 AM
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I disagree with this. More attractive girls have more options so they can be pickier and they will pursue higher value men. That doesn't necessarily mean looks, but they might as well go for looks. And really hot girls who have guys hit on them all the time, they won't even give you a chance unless you are good looking, because they have plenty of good looking guys hit on them so why bother with a non good looking one. There are ways around it (indirect opener, demonstrating value in other ways,…
/r/seduction14/07/20 12:22 AM
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The best way I've found when comfort is the main issue is throw in a little bit of self-deprecating humor (not too much) and try to fish out what she's interested in and focus on that topic.
/r/seduction14/07/20 12:19 AM
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By far the easiest way to not appear needy is to not contact her too much. Even mix of she initiates/you initiate no matter how much you want to. In terms of less neediness "inner game" style--get more women, become more high value.
/r/seduction14/07/20 12:15 AM
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Yes it's possible. When are attracted to a lot more than looks--intelligence, humor, confidence, success, ambition, "mastery" (being really good at something), the list goes on. But at the same time, be as attractive as you can be, by getting to the gym and dressing well.
/r/seduction14/07/20 12:14 AM
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Limit it. Everything is more effective in person. I try not to be too chatty between dates in the beginning unless they are initiating a lot of the chatting.
/r/seduction14/07/20 12:11 AM
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Work situations are tough, so I feel you for not making a move while you worked together, but, that was your window here if any.
/r/seduction14/07/20 12:10 AM
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Thanks. Makes sense, I'll expand on that topic a bit. A lot of the compliance tests are indirectly in there (the various levels of physical escalation, 2nd round drinks etc.) but you're right they aren't emphasized enough and what to do if she's failing them isn't really covered.
/r/seduction11/07/20 05:24 PM
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Too early to tell, sounds like it's only been a couple hours. If you don't hear anything in a day, you have your answer most likely.
/r/seduction10/07/20 09:05 PM
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Naturally I disagree. The myth that women do not care about high value and that you shouldn't demonstrate it stems from, in my opinion, marketing. Marketing products to people who don't have value to offer--to be able to convince them that a high quality woman will be into them despite not having value. If you have no value, or do not actively demonstrate it, you will not get quality women consistently. The idea that a woman is gonna go for you because you tease her? Lol. With that said, I do ag…
/r/seduction10/07/20 06:48 PM
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Thanks. Makes sense--I'll think about how to incorporate in a way that's universal (or at least consistent across say the US where my experience is)
/r/seduction10/07/20 04:58 PM
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Pretty much the way to do it, except cup of coffee is a terrible first date idea. Sometimes you need to chat a little more, but usually not much more.
/r/seduction10/07/20 04:45 PM
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When you figure it out let me know brother.
/r/seduction10/07/20 03:09 AM
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she isn't going to ask.
/r/seduction08/07/20 05:54 PM
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no, why would that ever even come up?
/r/seduction08/07/20 05:18 PM
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Don't overthink it. Don't say it's your first time. Have a condom, escalate (i.e. makeout, start to touch her, take off her clothes etc. as long as she is receptive and consenting) and before you know it you'll be there. As for sex itself, it is what it is man, whatever happens happens, no point thinking or worrying about it.
/r/seduction08/07/20 05:17 PM
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In my opinion, this is the most difficult aspect of pick up. The best way to tackle these issues is via logistics. You want to be the guy talking to her at the right time and right place--for example, when the party is winding down as opposed to only early on. You also want to make sure when you're talking to her your physical positioning is such that it is harder for guys to interject and directly compete with you at the same time. If there is an opportunity to pull your target away from the ot…
/r/seduction08/07/20 05:15 PM
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Mostly consciously not being needy and all sorts of subtle and not subtle DHV. I rarely neg--freeze out occasionally for LMR. The best PUA concepts of all time in my opinion are kino, DHV and calibration. Learn how to DHV effectively (without coming off as bragging/arrogant) being more touchy, and then how to calibrate it all based on their reactions is 99% of what you need to be successful with women. If you have nothing to DHV about, then improve yourself as a person.
/r/seduction08/07/20 04:16 PM
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It's your life brother, do what you think is best. I'd just note if she's down to go back to your place, she's already into you, might as well play that Ace at that point anyways.
/r/seduction08/07/20 04:57 AM
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I mean, that is just an example, but to your specific point, yes, living with your parents as an adult will hurt your chances with women. The older you are, the more it will hurt.
/r/seduction08/07/20 04:50 AM
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good guide, I like it.
/r/seduction08/07/20 04:49 AM
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You don't bring it up.
/r/seduction08/07/20 04:47 AM
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Dude, if you were tall, would you put 5'6" on your dating profile because you don't want girls to be into you just for your height? If you went to harvard would you tell girls you went to bumblefuck community college because you don't want them to just be into you because you're smart? Same thing.
/r/seduction08/07/20 04:45 AM
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They mostly make fun of me about it--but most of my game is 'ingrained' at this point, that it's not super inconsistent with my personality. They just make fun of the degree to which some of it was calculated.
/r/seduction08/07/20 04:32 AM
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I disagree with most of the advice here. Why would you hide that you are successful? The fear of the gold digger is so massively overrated in the community--most women are not gold diggers. You should bring it up (not in a braggy way) because it shows value. Not wealth. Value. That you are a successful dude who has been crushing it at life. Hiding that doesn't make sense to me. Show your value. Don't handicap yourself with women.
/r/seduction08/07/20 04:31 AM
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Normal. Girls almost always say this, just like they almost always say they never do this. I just deny it usually, but it really doesn't matter one way or the other.
/r/seduction08/07/20 04:26 AM
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100% agree look your best in person at the first date--however, still disagree, a top 1% photo is almost by definition "hiding something", Just think about the reverse, how many men here constantly complain about girls looking worse than their pictures? Why would you think that guys always look equal or better than their pictures in real life? Makes no sense.
/r/seduction07/07/20 10:00 PM
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This is not true from my experience. And to be clear, I'm not choosing bad images, I'm just not choosing misleadingly good images, call it like top 10-15%ile not top 1%ile
/r/seduction07/07/20 06:27 PM
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A more important tip--as surprising as you may think this is, it isn't going to make as big a difference as you think even if you bust in 3 seconds. Just get it out of the way.
/r/seduction07/07/20 01:46 PM
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Similar to my situation. I also specifically design for this though--by choosing good, but not *too* good images, so that you can meet or exceed expectations off the bat.
/r/seduction07/07/20 01:42 PM
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Agree with most of these,, especially #1, huge mistake men make all the time. Disagree with 2, trying to avoid buying a drink just makes you look like a cheap loser. You buy the drink because you are a successful dude who doesn't even need to think about how much a drink costs, not because you are trying to validate anything.
/r/seduction07/07/20 02:10 AM
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And the rest of it since its too long: Late Stage Flake Prevention From here we segue into the final section of this article–late stage flake prevention. In essence, the internet situation is the blueprint for late stage flake prevention. And the steps are essentially: Propose concrete plans — This is the biggest, easiest thing you can do to prevent flaking in the late stage. Proposing plans like: “How about drinks this weekend?” Is the easiest way to get a flake. “How about we grab at a drink a…
/r/seduction07/07/20 02:06 AM
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Wrote a whole article for you about avoiding flakes: https://manonpoint.com/flake-prevention-how-not-to-get-flaked-on/ Here it is copy pasted: ​ Getting her number, making plans, but for some reason they never end up happening? If so, you’re getting flaked on. If this is happening on a regular basis, it means you’re getting flaked on a lot. Girls are flaky, and getting flaked on isn’t out of the ordinary. However, it should be a relatively rare occurrence, not the norm. If your normal is getting…
/r/seduction07/07/20 02:06 AM
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that's been my approach and it has been successful. I'm sure there are plenty of other ways to go about it as well.
/r/seduction07/07/20 01:07 AM
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Indirect approach in the early stages of night -- focus on maximizing social proof during most of the night -- then circle back to the indirect approaches, is typically my strategy.
/r/seduction06/07/20 10:58 PM
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do not do this. ever.
/r/seduction06/07/20 10:57 PM
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A few things: (1) Get quality numbers/contacts-- if you're just gathering numbers after interacting with a girl for 3 minutes, you're going to get a ton of flakes, because those are meaningless, weak numbers. (2) Flakes happen- you just move on or say "Cool no prob, we'll do it some other time" and then you contact them again, no awkward pointless questions. (3) Make firm plans. If you say "lets hang sometime" and she says "sure" you follow up, immediately, with hows "ABC at 8PM on Wed".
/r/seduction06/07/20 10:56 PM
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Sounds like met on tinder--it's mostly assumed that it's a date. Treat it like a date, and it'll be one.
/r/seduction06/07/20 10:53 PM
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You can make it happen, but depending on your age, it becomes more and more of a hurdle. If you're 22 living at home, you can make it work, if you're 32, that's tougher.
/r/seduction04/07/20 02:26 AM
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It's about timing. You don't pour your emotional side out on a girl before there's at the very least some sexual intrigue (and ideally, not before sex).
/r/seduction04/07/20 02:24 AM
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Have you been diagnosed by a professional?
/r/seduction02/07/20 10:44 PM
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I've done it before--but I wouldn't announce I'm gonna do it in advance.
/r/seduction02/07/20 04:33 AM
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Hug, offer her a drink, sit on couch and it shouldn't take long before it's obvious what to do.
/r/seduction02/07/20 04:32 AM
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I always respond to these shit tests with humor... maybe something like, "Of course not, uh, [wrong name for her],right?"
/r/seduction02/07/20 04:31 AM
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Of course you're supposed to ask some questions. Ask open ended ones that lead to conversation versus yes or no stuff. Girls love talking about themselves (and talking in general), asking questions is a way to let them do what they love and they associate that with you.
/r/seduction02/07/20 04:27 AM
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A number shouldn't be the goal. If you make that the goal, you'll get better at getting numbers, but you don't get better at getting dates + whatever else you want to get. Focus on building attraction and not the number. And forget about anything you see on youtube it's all fake--you only see the wins.
/r/seduction02/07/20 04:25 AM
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Yes, any situation where you are with someone regularly has the potential to lead to a hook up.
/r/seduction02/07/20 04:19 AM
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Are you actually borderline autistic? Have you been diagnosed by a professional? And even if so, why are you bringing it up? I know this might be tough to hear, but stop imposing limitations on yourself, and if you haven't been diagnosed by a professional, stop diagnosing yourself. There is literally no benefit in your thinking about maybe being autistic or not. Nothing, Zero. Can you force yourself to take certain concrete actions, regardless of how uncomfortable they are? For example, if I gav…
/r/seduction01/07/20 10:58 PM
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Online has been the easiest, followed by cold approach at night, and then social circle--but I try to avoid going on actual dates w/friends or setups like that, usually my success comes from people at house parties etc. who are often on the fringes of the social group vs the core (though sometimes the latter has happened also)
/r/seduction01/07/20 01:28 AM
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There are levels of "systematic ways". Following a very explicit blueprint--nah, typically doesn't work that well because there are too many variables. However, doing things systematically does make sense. A simple example I gave in a post the other day: go to the same venue every time for a first date. One reason--you have controlled for one variable in a systematic way--if you know the venue is good, then you know if the date didn't go well, it wasn't because of the venue. Then there are thing…
/r/seduction01/07/20 01:24 AM
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Big cities--The most success I have had with women has been when I lived in NYC and LA, the #1 and #2 biggest cities in the US. I don't think it is a coincidence.
/r/seduction01/07/20 01:20 AM
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A few things. (1) Daygame is hard and honestly not that efficient versus night game or online game. You have very little time to build attraction and in a setting that is almost never conducive to attraction building. (2) There are a bunch of intermediate steps to help conquer approach anxiety. Asking for directions is a good idea but that is already basically the final step (an actual approach) maybe practice some intermediate steps first, like eye contact, smiling, just saying hi as you walk b…
/r/seduction01/07/20 01:20 AM
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Good post. It's all about calibration that's the key here--you don't ignore girls who are really into you (yes girls in this post) you just push forward. It's that middle range or those who are bordering on uninterested but willing to give you a chance that you should add silence/ignore for a while into your toolbox.
/r/seduction01/07/20 01:15 AM
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There is some downside to this because while in theory there is nothing to lose by just reaching out every few months--the reality is most people then start having the girl in their mind and it weighs on them. There's no point keeping girls who are not interested in your mind, which you are doing when you keep them around to reach out every few months. It's active mental bandwidth that is going to waste on girls who are not interested. The upside of getting lucky once in a blue moon often isn't …
/r/seduction01/07/20 01:12 AM
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Agree. Movies are actually good dates, just not good first dates, for the reasons you brought up.
/r/seduction29/06/20 11:50 PM
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They aren't mutually exclusive. Also, there's a lot in between negging and being really nice.
/r/seduction27/06/20 02:25 AM
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Not bad advice, just not always practicable for people without the comfort and experience. There are concrete actions and things you can do to help accomplish what you are suggesting. For example, sticking to a regular venue for your dates so you're comfortable at the place. Getting up to go to the bathroom when there's an awkward silence about to begin (of course you cannot do this all the time), not being afraid to abruptly change topic of conversation--you don't have to flow, etc.
/r/seduction27/06/20 02:06 AM
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Honestly, you can do fine without negging. Most people don't understand or implement the neg properly, and it's really not such an amazing technique regardless. Negging someone you must met? Don't bother if it does not come naturally.
/r/seduction27/06/20 02:03 AM
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I think pretty good, unless you misread her comment when you said it was not in a negative way.
/r/seduction27/06/20 02:01 AM
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You forgot it also works for any age.
/r/seduction26/06/20 08:29 PM
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It's a sunk cost. I never even kissed a girl until college. You've just gotta move on. There is no secret--the best you can do is either just try not to think about it or channel the energy to improve yourself even faster to make up for lost time.
/r/seduction26/06/20 08:26 PM
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Surprisingly, I've had similar success in both LA and NYC--the two cities I've lived the longest time in as an adult. Big fish in small pond definitely does help; however, it is often offset by significantly worse logistics in smaller "markets" and just less overall options.
/r/seduction23/06/20 03:36 AM
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Yep. Profile matters--a lot. And not just the pictures. Glad to see others recognize the investment is well worth it. My core online game revolves around a good profile. One area I don't agree with though is going with your very best photos--you want to go with good but not misleadingly good. The idea here is that you do not want to disappoint the second the date starts.
/r/seduction22/06/20 12:28 PM
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Movie sucks, dinner is actually good. Drinks is good as well. keep it simple and focus on the goals of a first date. I actually recommend you should almost always do drinks and/or dinner for a first date. I explain why here: https://manonpoint.com/first-date-101-good-first-date-ideas/ I have a whole series of articles about first dates based on going on at least 1000 of them over the years, probably much more than that which I will compile once I finish adding some stuff and have in a comprehens…
/r/seduction19/06/20 05:53 PM
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While I don't necessarily agree with the rationale-- This is good advice--if she wants you to know (or wants to get rid of you) she'll let you know. Otherwise, no point for you to bring it up.
/r/seduction19/06/20 05:49 PM
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The key to recognizing IOIs is less the action themselves but the "variance from the norm". A girl who always twirls her hair isn't giving you an IOI by twirling her hair, but a girl who never twirls her hair is giving you an IOI when she does. (Twirling is just an example). As some others have mentioned--you can always find out if they are into you by just approaching. In general this is a good strategy--take actions that elicit IOIs (or signs of disinterest). For example. physical touch, leani…
/r/seduction10/06/20 12:02 AM
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Unlikely to hurt you -- some of the guys with the most game I know do not have social media--and for good reason--they don't want people stalking them. It doesn't hurt.
/r/seduction09/06/20 03:18 PM
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Yea not sure why this ever makes sense to begin with when there are literal dating swipe apps where you already know everyone is looking for someone/something.
/r/seduction06/06/20 03:30 PM
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I wrote an article about this actually a few months ago: https://manonpoint.com/a-simple-mens-guide-to-skincare/ Good friend of mine works in the beauty industry so got a lot of good tips from her.
/r/seduction01/06/20 03:08 PM
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If being asked out so that the girl can make fun of you when you get into school in front of all her friends to a number of notches I lost count of over a decade ago counts, then I would say yes. I started between high school and college because it was the most natural reset--no reputation/baggage, and it took me all of college more or less to just get to "somewhat normal"--though lifting between high school and college had a profound impact on my success, so it wasn't all inner game/skill, but …
/r/seduction01/06/20 03:07 PM
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It can go both ways to be honest. If you withhold, it will probably make him want you more, but it may also backfire. Have you guys talked about the online flirting etc? Probably the first step is to address it since it's clear you know.
/r/seduction25/05/20 12:44 AM
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Makes no difference -- you should have built enough attraction that when you decide to go for it the outcome is a given, if not, you're doing something wrong before you get to this point.
/r/seduction25/05/20 12:41 AM
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Honestly they are pretty easy to seduce--if you've got them bragging about themselves, you're probably in a decent spot already, if you can put up with the annoyance of dealing with someone constantly talking about themselves. The way I like to get these girls, if I am in the mood to put up with it is instead of neg etc. I actually amplify. I get her to talk MORE about herself, which makes her happy, and enjoy talking to me and enjoy my presence ...
/r/seduction25/05/20 12:40 AM
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A few suggestions: (1) you've got just get used to it and accept the reality that rejection is by far the most common outcome of engaging women, especially online. (2) Ghosting is standard rejection protocol -- and honestly, in my opinion, it is the right way to reject. Everyone THINKS they want the truth, but the sad reality is it almost always backfires to get the truth, and girls know better than telling the truth only for you to refute them etc. Get used to it, ghosting is standard practice.…
/r/seduction23/05/20 12:04 AM
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It varies, but a lot of this stuff isn't just for the girl. Like making money and getting a good job? That's something you should be striving for anyways.
/r/seduction17/05/20 03:50 PM
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Just keep going out there and improving yourself and your game -- you most definitely do not have to be a natural to rack up numbers in the 100s, depending how long you are single, and if that's a goal of yours.
/r/seduction12/05/20 11:19 PM
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For your examples, my goto is " You have good taste ;)"
/r/seduction30/04/20 05:55 AM
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In that case you need to work on your approach. When a woman is interested, the game is much easier--it's about not screwing up. Of course, that is a skill that needs to be learned also, but much easier than building attraction. So, approach more. If you see they are interested, just go up to them and say hi, I'm [your name] if you can't think of anything better, seriously. If that is too hard, try some indirect approaches. If that is too hard, work your way up by first saying hi, how are you do…
/r/seduction29/04/20 06:44 PM
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What are your sticking points? Are you getting girls out on dates and not able to close? Are you not getting girls out on dates? Are you not meeting women? Not talking to women? Knowing where you get stuck will make it much easier to help.
/r/seduction29/04/20 12:39 AM
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It's all about calibration. You want to show enough that she knows you want to date her/sleep with her etc. and not just be her gbf (are people still allowed to say that haha), but you don't want to be needy and annoying and desperate. So no, they do not contradict themselves.
/r/seduction28/04/20 06:03 PM
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Apps are pointless right now in my opinion. Until we get closer to quarantine being lifted, the time delay is too long to maintain interest, generally speaking.
/r/seduction20/04/20 11:53 PM
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It's all situational. I actually like to use "Hey I like you" as an opener at a bar if I'm going direct. They find it funny sometimes and it gets attention. However, generally speaking, indirect approaches are superior for most men in most situations. If you're really good looking sure, direct works. If you already know she's into you, direct works. But, you don't have to show your intentions right away to be successful--that works for good looking guys, but so do indirect approaches. And when y…
/r/seduction13/04/20 09:14 PM
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This is not too uncommon. It's a problem I've struggled with in the past as well. For me the issue was viewing someone I can see my self dating long term in a different light vs a girl I just wanted to bang. What has helped me is to think about disqualifying features of the girl from a long term perspective--when I come up with a better solution, I'll let you (and myself) know.
/r/seduction06/03/20 01:00 AM
1

Kino. That is literally your one word answer.
/r/seduction05/03/20 10:11 PM
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The easiest way to be less of a nice guy is to escalate physically. (Touch, kino, etc.) This does NOT mean be a creep or inappropriate, but failure to escalate physically is the biggest reason guys fall into the "nice guy" trap.
/r/seduction04/03/20 11:33 PM
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One of the many reasons I recommend indirect approaches for the vast majority of scenarios. A high percentage of women are receptive to an indirect opener.
/r/seduction04/03/20 11:31 PM
1

haha this.
/r/seduction04/03/20 11:29 PM
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Sounds to me like you know what you need to do. Lose the weight, if anything, to build your confidence back up. You were good with women, it'll come back real fast once you get your self esteem back.
/r/seduction04/03/20 11:28 PM
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Stop pursing people you know for sure won't workout. This is a mistake, and part of why you are in this cycle of depression. No one can withstand constant rejection, we all have our limits.
/r/seduction04/03/20 10:07 PM
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Disagree. You can't win if you can't even play the game. Of course, you cannot (or shouldn't) play games an entire relationship. However, you can strive to put in effort to making your significant other happy. But, if you can't even get a date, or far enough to make her like you, all of this is moot. Plus, I will point out that once a girl likes you, and even more so once she loves you, she will give you A LOT of leeway to start 'being yourself' and not think much of it. Furthermore, you can eve…
/r/seduction04/03/20 07:44 PM
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Shave head and go to the gym. been balding since I was 21 (in mid 30s now) I just shaved it off a few years ago and never looked back. I actually don't shave it all the way, you don't have to depending on your look. It's also easier because you can just get clippers. Wrote a little more detail about it if you care but the bottom line is shave/trim it, maybe grow some facial hair, and go to the gym. https://manonpoint.com/going-bald-time-to-shave-it-off/
/r/seduction03/03/20 06:39 PM
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Man this is a tough one--I did write some beginner stuff for first date conversation: First, know your goals: https://manonpoint.com/first-date-101-conversation-goals/ Second, get the basics down: https://manonpoint.com/first-date-101-conversation-dos-donts-and-tips/
/r/seduction03/03/20 12:37 AM
1

At home, I generally play indirect game, park myself at the bar, order some food etc, when I'm solo (assuming at a bar not club for that example), or go for those who are giving me IOIs. It's less of a confidence thing but more of a "being the guy alone approaching everyone" can get you flagged quick, plus, it can be a negative if during conversation it turns out you live in town but you couldn't round up a friend to go out with if you felt like going out. Now, if I'm visiting or on a work trip,…
/r/seduction03/03/20 12:34 AM
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doesn't sound like you need much finessing.
/r/seduction03/03/20 12:29 AM
1

Being your best self matters. I'm bald so haven't had to worry much about a haircut (other than shaving it off) for a while, but it definitely made a difference when I had hair, as does facial hair nowadays that I don't have hair.
/r/seduction03/03/20 12:28 AM
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i don't unmatch/unfollow because that shows that I actually thought/cared about it--but it really doesn't make much difference if you do or don't. I may give them a second chance, but I will go straight into suggesting a meet up time/place, no re-flirting/wasting time chatting.
/r/seduction03/03/20 12:27 AM
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Usually I ask out before 10 message on dating apps. I don't bother unmatching but I don't follow up if they ghost. Instagram, I don't use this much (I'm in my mid 30s) for game, but same thing, if she says yes but not response to concrete plans, next. In person, if she goes cold, same thing, next. Basically, I always next if she goes cold.
/r/seduction03/03/20 12:04 AM
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The real reason is that most of these "friendships" are actually not real "friendships". Some good friends do end up dating. However, most of the "friendzones" people discuss are actually just rejections--girls telling an acquaintance who develops feelings that she "sees them as a friend". That's not a friendship, that's just a nice way of rejecting an acquaintance. Once you eliminate those scenarios-- a lot of friendzones actually disappear. However, there are of course "real" friendzones-- peo…
/r/seduction02/03/20 10:37 PM
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What has this made you question? Some good looking guys get girls randomly throwing themselves at them. Same with celebrities and some really rich men. That, in no way means that other things do not matter. Of course other things matter! Many girls will never be this forward and many girls will go out with guys they think are average or even unattractive if they have other attractive traits. That's what really matters, not whether a handful of extremely good looking guys can get a bunch of medio…
/r/seduction02/03/20 10:30 PM
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Never just go up to a random girl and ask her on a date after introducing yourself. That is a horrible strategy that pretty much never works.
/r/seduction02/03/20 10:27 PM
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Confidence is important, so I am going to go against the grain here and make a suggestion that is counter to most suggestions here: approach LESS. That's right. Less. We all have a limited amount of "emotional capital" and ability to simply brush off rejection. If you are getting bad vibes off the bat, or clear signs of disinterest-- don't approach. Simple as that. Spare yourself the reinforcement that you're ugly and unworthy by avoiding situations that are obviously going to do that. The idea …
/r/seduction17/02/20 05:44 PM
3

Physical touch. Touch her arm when you switch topic of conversation, for example. Touch the small of her back if you're following her into the venue. The list is endless, but it mostly comes down to physical touch and calibrating appropriately based on her response.
/r/seduction16/02/20 05:08 PM
1

Yep this is a good point and you are right--it's about appearing as a provider, or even less than that, appearing capable of being one that matters.
/r/seduction14/02/20 07:12 PM
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I'll be writing about this in detail, but I find there are typically two issues when it comes to men who aren't successful in pursuing relationships. Issue #1, and the most common one, is guys take it too slow with girls they like and end up getting friendzoned. I wrote about this in detail here: https://manonpoint.com/taking-it-slow-is-bad-dating-strategy/ so not going to rehash. Now, in your case, since you manage to get one night stands, taking it too slowly is not your issue, which brings me…
/r/seduction14/02/20 05:04 PM
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* I meet a large % of my dates online, and sexualize conversations very early. * That is the main root cause of your issue. You have framed the "relationship" as purely about sex too early on, which closed the door (or I should say, almost closed the door) on intimacy. This situation rarely happens to me--if I get laid, I can almost always turn it into a regular thing--however, the few times when I wanted that but couldn't get more of it has been when I sexualized things very early on. My person…
/r/seduction13/02/20 10:42 PM
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Honestly, it doesn't matter. You've gotta roll with the punches. Some girls just do this--there are countless reasons--they just want attention, they met another guy in between, they changed their mind at some point but feel bad so they play along, you're plan B, etc. You aren't necessarily doing anything wrong. Get them out on a date, if they start being cagey/ignore proposals to meet up, next them.
/r/seduction13/02/20 10:37 PM
1

Generally you are right that people use 'resting bitch face' and similar situations as an excuse not to approach. However, I disagree that there is no good reason not to approach almost all the time. For example, if you get flagged for approaching everyone it will significantly hurt your odds with future girls at the venue. I do however agree, err on the side of more approaches than less.
/r/seduction13/02/20 10:35 PM
3

Yep, the correlation between women saying "I don't have sex on a first date" and whether or not they do is pretty much 0%.
/r/seduction28/01/20 08:11 PM
0

The internet. Not including that, I would say bars that are full but not crowded full.
/r/seduction22/01/20 12:01 AM
1

Escalation + Eye contact.
/r/seduction22/01/20 12:01 AM
1

Infields are pretty much all faked as well btw. End of the day, you've got to judge for yourself. I shouldn't talk since I have a site where I give all sorts of dating advice, but as they say: "if it's too good to be true, it probably is"
/r/seduction21/01/20 11:59 PM
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While as you observed, not all flakes mean they are not interested, it is USUALLY the case, and it's almost ALWAYS the case when it's gotten to the point where someone is posting about it online. Basically, there's adverse selection here between the flakes you are reading about, and all the flakes that occur in real life.
/r/seduction18/01/20 12:48 AM
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There are plenty of ways, you can touch her hand across the table, for example. And there are other ways to escalate that aren't physical (though physical are best). Why are you at the same venue for 3.5 hours, for example? Move to a venue where you can sit side by side if it's going well. I try to almost never stay at the same venue for more than 2 hours. And, if you really chose a date where escalation is impossible, then that's not a great date venue. Bottom line, you need to escalate.
/r/seduction18/01/20 12:37 AM
1

Just because some of the classic teasing/neg/push-pull examples use "I don't think we'd get along" doesn't mean you need to use it everywhere. I think your idea is right, but only in the right context, like if she brings up competing. Don't just randomly bust that out when she says she's into sports. And you don't need the get along line. It's so overused.
/r/seduction18/01/20 12:12 AM
1

Eye contact and smile, and sometimes/often also say hi.
/r/seduction18/01/20 12:10 AM
1

Why was there no escalation? There should have been escalation: you trying to escalate. If you didn't escalate in 3.5 hours, she might think you weren't interested.
/r/seduction18/01/20 12:08 AM
2

Keep getting out there and get success. Don't think, ACT. Make it a goal to perform certain discrete, simple, small, concrete ACTIONS, as opposed to more vague actions. For example, instead of "I'm going to approach tonight", try "I'm going to go up to 1 girl at the bar and say Hi, I'm Joe". Gradually build up from there, as you see that nothing bad happens when you try.
/r/seduction10/01/20 10:46 PM
1

It's based on luck in the sense that there are odds involved-- but that is like saying sports are based on luck. A luck element does not mean it's based on luck. Just like baseball where, if you're the better player, you'll hit the ball more often than a different player, and you'll get on base more often, and hit home runs more often, if you have better game, you'll be more successful with the women you do get to interact with, and you'll be in more positions to interact with more women.
/r/seduction03/01/20 01:14 AM
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No, not in my experience. The idea that guys are afraid to hit on hot girls is laughable to be honest. Hot girls get hit on way more than ugly or average girls.
/r/seduction03/01/20 01:12 AM
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I'm going to write about this in greater detail, but I've found its vastly more effective to NOT escalate conversation sexually with words, but with body language and physical touch. Obviously, not in the work place. I'm talking about dates, etc. Non-sexual talk helps build comfort, while sexual body language helps build attraction and get the vibe. You need BOTH comfort and attraction to get laid, most of the time, unless you're super good looking. I've found using words for comfort, and body l…
/r/seduction27/12/19 06:59 PM
0

Sadly, if you have to ask, the answer is stop pursuing it.
/r/seduction27/12/19 12:24 AM
1

Move on. And in general, less snaps, more get them out in real life. If they don't want to meet in real life very shortly after matching, typically, move on. There are some exceptions, but generally speaking, move on.
/r/seduction27/12/19 12:23 AM
1

It's a legit concern. Randomly going up to girls and asking them out after two seconds is creepy and also extremely unlikely to work unless you're super good looking. The best way to just strike up conversation during the day in my opinion is w/indirect openers.
/r/seduction27/12/19 12:21 AM
2

Try to minimize the photos and get them out in person.
/r/seduction27/12/19 12:18 AM
2

for being asian? no. Look, there are gonna be girls who won't date asians, just like there are girls who don't date white guys or black guys or brown guys or purple guys or whatever. You can't worry about that. Now, if you have a bunch of unattractive qualities that line up with some stereotypes about asian men, then that might be a problem, but that's not an "asian" thing, that's a "certain traits are unattractive" thing.
/r/seduction27/12/19 12:15 AM
0

Kinda creepy, it's better to just smile.
/r/seduction26/12/19 10:53 PM
1

Not Asian but have many Asian friends, a few who are very successful with white women. Just go after what you want and stop worrying about what you can't change.
/r/seduction26/12/19 10:50 PM
1

Definitely a big boost for me.
/r/seduction26/12/19 10:47 PM
2

Honestly, after trying many combinations of this, I've found ghosting/slowly fading is the best approach. Being honest ends up being much more hurtful, and if you are honest ahead of time it unfortunately hurts your odds way too much from the start. It's unfortunate, but the reality is, after a certain amount of time being single, adult women have to know that any guy they sleep with may never call them again after, just like adults know that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny do not exist. It's h…
/r/seduction20/12/19 07:33 PM
1

No. Shy is often not considered attractive, so don't lead with that. Focus on trying to be more outgoing and engaging instead of lowering her interest level before even meeting her. Note, introverted and shy are not the same thing.
/r/seduction19/12/19 01:08 AM
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Eh, really? You want to be yet another guy who hits on THAT ONE GIRL at work? Besides the pitfalls of dating someone you work with, the odds are low given the attention she is already getting. There are way better options.
/r/seduction06/12/19 10:04 PM
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Just keep doing it and focus on the mechanics to start. Focus on what you want to say, rehearse openers if necessary. This isn't you with some kind of defect man, everyone gets anxious and nervous, it's normal. It's just like before a race or sport game or test or whatever. As for checking her out, honestly, it's not THAT big a deal if you do that as long as you aren't a total creep about it. But the best way to not do that is to focus on making eye contact during the interaction.
/r/seduction06/12/19 10:02 PM
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I would not start a conversation that way if it were me, but just my opinion.
/r/seduction06/12/19 10:01 PM
5

Is there a dance floor? Maybe I'm too old, but dance floor game was most of what I did in college. Otherwise, it's not much different than other game, approach, open, build attraction, and escalate. My approach to attract is typically to let me eye contact and touch do the talking. I don't complement or talk about sexual things, but I'll be sure to touch her any chance I get. NOT IN A CREEPY OR INAPPROPRIATE WAY. Examples are, hand on the upper arm when you segue to a new topic in conversation a…
/r/seduction06/12/19 10:01 PM
1

Agree with you it "should be" ... but check some of the posts on here over the years (i've been active here a while just under different names) and you'll see what I'm talking about. Lots of "should I give up, I keep getting rejected etc"
/r/seduction06/12/19 12:52 AM
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I point I would add, though the OP can correct me if they disagree: Note his mention of "soft" "I have a boyfriend". There is a CRUCIAL difference between girls who use a "soft" version (or even better, none at all) than girls who say the word boyfriend. Personally, I find that getting girls with boyfriends (even soft versions) is kind of a waste of time because it's less likely to succeed even though it's doable), but it is mostly important to note the MAJOR difference between "I'm sorta seeing…
/r/seduction05/12/19 05:39 PM
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This is a great strategy! Good use of physical touch is probably the most important aspect of "seduction" (still feels cheesy writing haha) and this is a great example of using it the right way!
/r/seduction05/12/19 05:35 PM
0

There are downsides to this ... burning through women that see through it that you could have easily gotten with just a little bit of effort.
/r/seduction05/12/19 05:33 PM
2

Congrats on the bold move. It's great that you were able to build up the courage to do it, initiate some small talk, and walk away happier even without feeling like you got a positive vibe. However, I don't agree with your premise that there's never anything to lose. You should give yourself credit because this is actually somewhat rare that someone can measure success in such a rational way, but it is not the norm. Going into situations where rejection is extremely likely DOES have cost: the ab…
/r/seduction05/12/19 05:27 PM
2

I'd say common sense is usually right here. Clearly, there are no "weird tricks" that will get you laid in 5 minutes no matter how short, fat, ugly, and poor you are. That's just marketing. However, plenty of advice out there WILL get you laid if you work at it. The reality of pick up is basically this: (1) Girls who think you're hot -- learn how to escalate without fucking up (2) Girls who think you are ugly -- move on or become really rich/powerful/famous (3) Girls in the middle who think you …
/r/seduction03/12/19 09:24 PM
1

You've got time man.
/r/seduction03/12/19 09:18 PM
6

I don't know man, it's way easier to get laid without fishing for it right off the bat the second you start chatting.
/r/seduction03/12/19 09:17 PM
1

it does, but it hurts more if you keep holding out hope for even more rejections later...
/r/seduction02/12/19 07:27 PM
4

Uh this is a study of females hitting on men...hardly relevant to men hitting on women. I would definitely NOT conclude that direct works best for men hitting on women from this, if that's the implication to most readers.
/r/seduction02/12/19 05:26 PM
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Sorry but it's over. "didn't feel the spark" is a very clear cut rejection: forget her and move on. If she reaches out in the future, great, but until then, it's move on time.
/r/seduction02/12/19 05:24 PM
1

First off, you scheduled way too far in advance; however, it is what it is. It all depends on how you ask. You need to keep her warm by texting every few days (EVERY FEW DAYS, not every day or every hour!) but not necessarily about the date. A few days before, confirm that you are still on but do not ever use language like "are you 100% sure you want to go out?" or "are you sure you still want to meet up etc". Use language like "See you in a few days!"
/r/seduction02/12/19 05:22 PM
1

Need more context. What's the scenario?
/r/seduction26/11/19 12:04 AM
0

Approach indirectly if you are worried about appearing like a creep, and then gradually get more and more direct if you so desire. Personally, I find indirect approaches are better in general anyways.
/r/seduction25/11/19 11:13 PM
3

Usually you end up banging. You just have to not fuck it up. The most common way to fuck it up is to take it for granted and escalate way too quickly/creepily.
/r/seduction25/11/19 11:08 PM
1

Honestly, moving things to flirty/sexual level is more about physical touch/kino than it is about words. I much prefer escalating physically while maintaining non sexual talk than talking sexually.
/r/seduction25/11/19 11:06 PM
3

We're hard wired to value looks. However, once you bang a few hot chicks and date a few, you'll realize that from a relationship perspective, looks become less of a factor way more quickly than you might expect.
/r/seduction24/11/19 05:14 PM
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Don't send photos in return. If you haven't met yet.. get her out in real life already! Playing along too much can actually LOWER the odds you'll meet in person, believe it or not. If it's someone I haven't met yet, I'll throw them a fire emoji or some one word answer for the precise reason that I DON'T want to engage in sexy photo time exchange, I want to meet in person. And don't fall for the trap of her sending pics as a segue for you to do a "come over and get naked" type of invite. It's a t…
/r/seduction24/11/19 05:12 PM
2

Some. And have spoken to plenty of people in them/were in them. The ones I've seen that are still going involve married couples that went open after the already had kids.
/r/seduction22/11/19 07:16 PM
1

If you're in an open relationship you can just keep approaching I would think? However, I generally find these relationships are not sustainable if they start that way (opening it up after a long time is likely more sustainable)
/r/seduction22/11/19 05:20 PM
1

On thing that is hurting you here is investing so much in talking/communicating before meeting up. You identify an underrated issue with talking too much before a meetup: over-investment, putting them on a pedestal, and the resulting crash if things don't work out. If you just go for a meet-up sooner, some of your feelings around rejection will be less painful and also, you'll probably have more success.
/r/seduction22/11/19 05:04 PM
2

The problem with your latter point is that you do have something to lose. I'm going to write about this in greater detail soon but the shooting out another message/etc. does actually cost you. It costs you mental bandwidth: you're keeping her in your mind the whole time you're plotting this other message, and then after you send it, you'll be thinking about a response or whether or not you'll get a response. These are all mental and emotional tolls that aren't worth taking.
/r/seduction22/11/19 05:02 PM
1

But you asked her out that one time right? And she just ignored it. So I don't think that is the case unfortunately. That's another friendzone sign btw. There are basically 8 main signs of friendzoning... you have what looks like at least 2 of them.
/r/seduction22/11/19 01:13 AM
2

You're mid 20s, shes 40s ... she was probably just looking for a lay but isn't really interested in much more since she doesn't see any future there. I've been in this situation multiple times. Maybe you can squeeze a couple more lays out of it, but this is par for the course with cougars. I wouldn't draw conclusions from this to other girls, unless they are also cougars.
/r/seduction21/11/19 10:17 PM
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Ask her out again. Don't leave it to guess work. My guess from reading this is that you're in the friend-zone, but there aren't enough obvious signs of that because you haven't really done things that would get signs. There is however a sign, that she talked about dating and not dating YOU. That's usually a friendzone indicator, but nothing is 100% accurate, the best way to know is escalate and find out.
/r/seduction21/11/19 10:14 PM
2

Right answer.
/r/seduction21/11/19 10:09 PM
3

This looks like a clear sign she is no longer interested unfortunately. Not sure why she is leading you on with those comments but one word texts when she's been chatty in the past and backing away from a kiss are major signs of disinterest.
/r/seduction21/11/19 10:03 PM
1

Many options, including hi. I kinda like "I see you have good taste ;)"
/r/seduction21/11/19 09:33 PM
2

It's kinda like adrenaline before a contest, it doesn't completely go away, you just get used to it. Just keep going out more and it'll all just start to feel like par for the course, including the successes!
/r/seduction21/11/19 09:32 PM
2

Is this a friend or someone you chat with on a dating app but have never met?
/r/seduction21/11/19 09:30 PM
4

Best not to worry about it and move on.
/r/seduction21/11/19 09:29 PM
2

Depends on the stage of courtship you're in. I would not recommend opening up as vulnerable early on. As you get closer to a relationship or are in one, it's much more relevant.
/r/seduction21/11/19 09:28 PM
1

Your issue is not approach anxiety, its fear of rejection. You can approach in situations you describe because there is no fear or rejection (i.e. asking for directions etc.). Think about it from a fear or rejection perspective, and how to overcome fear of rejection, and your anxiety should go away.
/r/seduction21/11/19 05:25 PM
1

Unpopular opinion I'm sure, but I used to be of the view I would rather have feedback, but now I actually prefer the ghost. How many times do you actually get honest feedback? And if you do, it will probably just hurt your feelings or hurt your confidence. The reality is that even these very polite rejections are still rejections that are heard, and rejections that are clear cut, like an actual response, weigh on our emotions way more than a ghost. It also makes it very tempting to try to reason…
/r/seduction21/11/19 05:16 PM
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Emotions are hard to overcome but the best way for me has been to focus on thinking logically and rationally and start by just going through the motions to get comfortable. Approach with a simple "Hi" and don't even worry about what comes after to start. Then start running really basic canned routines, not because they work well, but because it's easy to simply execute without thinking too much. That should help get you back in the groove, once you realize, it's all ok, and it's all going to be …
/r/seduction21/11/19 01:34 AM
7

You should rarely ever take it slow. It's better to sleep with them and then get to know them deeper than to play it slow on a date, as you are figuring out. You don't have to sleep with them if you don't feel comfortable by the way, but you should try to build that level of attraction and comfort to where you could sleep with them if you wanted to.
/r/seduction20/11/19 12:06 AM
2

What are you doing now? If you're trying to ensure sex through text interactions before you even meet up, your success rate is virtually guaranteed to be low.
/r/seduction20/11/19 12:03 AM
1

She works with you and she knows you, of course she's going to look at you sometimes. You were literally BLOCKED. Let her make a real move before you even think you have a chance.
/r/seduction19/11/19 06:13 PM
1

Dude. She told you to stop messaging her and blocked you. Her smiling at you from across the room after 6 weeks while at work is not a sign of much. Let her initiate with you.
/r/seduction19/11/19 05:27 PM
1

I assume you've tried online dating? Gaming in your social circle isn't always that effective. It is for some, but it isn't for many, and it can take a long time.
/r/seduction19/11/19 05:25 PM
2

Practice doing it. Approach and see that it won't happen. Start small, just go up to a girl and say "Hi, I like your shoes, I have the same ones in pink" or something like that. Should get a laugh out of them, and you'll see nothing bad will happen.
/r/seduction18/11/19 10:29 PM
2

Very rarely. It's a pretty poor strategy though, even if it does work like one out of 100x (maybe more if you're really good looking, but even then, there are better ways).
/r/seduction18/11/19 10:14 PM
2

Dude. Everyone fears public rejection, but public rejection almost never happens, like ever. You don't have to worry about someone screaming at the top of her lungs if you approach and say hi or whatever. I'd be terrified of that happening also, but it just never happens.
/r/seduction18/11/19 10:13 PM
2

Unlikely an IOI. You cannot evaluate actions of waitresses and others in the customer service industry, while they are working, like you would regular situations. This is not a strong enough IOI in my opinion to be considered an IOI when coming from a waitress. It's kinda like how smiling at you is an IOI typically, but not when a waitress does it because it's literally their job to smile at you.
/r/seduction18/11/19 10:10 PM
5

Yea I think pre your edit it looked like you really meant wait for girls to approach you ...
/r/seduction18/11/19 05:46 PM
1

This: --> Picking up chicks with social proof is like approaching while looking 3x hotter. <-- Is very underrated at bar/clubs.
/r/seduction18/11/19 05:38 PM
3

If your goal is settling down, the best advice I can give is to not get too sucked into the easy lays you can get from online dating with women you know from the get-go you wouldn't be interested in dating long term. You're in a really good spot, the key is really to just "not fuck up". That's a skill that needs to be learned and practiced, but it basically goes (a) don't be too needy and over-eager (b) don't do completely stupid shit, (c) don't take dating advice super literally (like waiting 3…
/r/seduction18/11/19 05:37 PM
1

Honestly, other than the defeatist attitude, you are on the right track. You're going to the gym which is a start and it's great because pretty much everyone your age can get a good body with consistency and effort at the gym. That alone will make you much more attractive to women. Also, you don't have to be good at school, but it is good to be good or at least passionate about something. Do you have any hobbies you're really into?
/r/seduction18/11/19 05:34 PM
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Your EDIT is really on point. The main reason for this 'let girls pursue you' concept isn't literal. It's not to get girls to actually chase you, it's to have that mindset so you do not appear and act super needy which is a turn off. You'll do way better opening and pursuing, just doing it without the needy mindset. I do agree 100% with being your best self, and that being your best self will make girls more likely to want to be around you.
/r/seduction18/11/19 05:32 PM
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8s and 9s are harder to get than 6s and 7s which are harder to get than 4s and 5s etc. etc. This is normal. You'll have to improve all aspects of your game to be more successful with higher quality women. The main reason is competition: better looking women have more options and more people competing for them that you have to beat out in one way or another. A few practical tips I have used (1) Indirect works best with better looking women unless you are as good or better looking than them -- the…
/r/seduction18/11/19 05:28 PM
2

One thing that really helped me nail down IOIs is paying attention to changes in behavior as opposed to behavior itself. For example, playing with her hair isn't necessarily an IOI if shes always playing with her hair. Playing with her hair if she rarely ever plays with her hair is an IOI. End of the day though, it's always a bit of a gamble, you just gotta gain experience.
/r/seduction16/11/19 12:04 AM
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A few things: (1) even there is attraction, not fucking it up is a non-trivial skill that can be learned and improved upon. (2) The game is played in the "neutral" zone, for the most part: the girls who are already attracted, its about (1) [learning how to not fuck up], the girls who think you're ugly, you need major DHV (super rich, celebrity status, etc.), but in that neutral zone, those girls who haven't quite made up their mind, are where the game is played. That zone isn't as small as these…
/r/seduction15/11/19 10:45 PM
7

Some truth to this, which is part of why I find indirect openers in day-game situations way more effective than bold "just go up to her" approaches. However, you're generalizing in a big way because many girls are quite receptive to random strangers they find attractive talking to them out of the blue.
/r/seduction13/11/19 11:39 PM
1

It makes sense. Playing an instrument is a DHV, and you're showing that right off the bat, before they even need to speak to you.
/r/seduction13/11/19 05:08 PM
1

I always propose a day. For example: "Up to anything Wednesday? Want to grab a drink?" or "Want to grab a drink wednesday?"
/r/seduction13/11/19 05:03 PM
1

You aren't a total slave to your genetics. You can get built, lose excess fat, and figure out a look that highlights your good features and draws away from your bad ones.
/r/seduction12/11/19 10:27 PM
1

Interesting, that's kind of surprising, but maybe it is a race thing (they are "curious" but won't seriously consider dating you due to your race)? And yea, if girls (or guys for that matter) start getting deep into sex talk there is always the risk it's a one night stand.
/r/seduction12/11/19 02:53 AM
3

If you want to collect numbers, then keep doing what you're doing. If you want to actually get girls, then only go for the number if there's indicators of interest, otherwise you're just collecting a bunch of numbers that won't amount to anything other than a reputation of being a creep.
/r/seduction12/11/19 01:03 AM
1

I'm guessing you're considered very good looking, as this is a problem that I've only ever encountered with good looking guys. One thing you should try is really working to highlight your non looks/physical positives, and don't (not saying you are doing this, but maybe) be too sexual or overtly sexual in the early pre-meeting interactions. You also want to highlight non physical qualities even before you meet, to help frame the initial meeting as more than "oh this guy is hot and I'm horny" that…
/r/seduction12/11/19 12:19 AM
2

I think it's probably fine at a club, I just haven't really done that at a club. I rarely went or go to clubs alone. The times I have I mostly played dance floor game.
/r/seduction11/11/19 11:04 PM
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This is my favorite technique if I am out alone, in most venues. It is by far my most successful if out alone, though I typically will do it at a bar or a restaurant with a bustling bar scene as opposed to a club.
/r/seduction11/11/19 06:06 PM
1

Yes, looks matter from the perspective of odds: better looking you are, the better odds you will have with women, all else being equal. That's why you should strive to look your best (hit the gym, dress well, figure out the right "look' (facial hair/hair etc.). However, it's "all else being equal". There is plenty that is attractive that isn't looks. You can change those things, often more easily than you can change your looks.
/r/seduction11/11/19 06:02 PM
1

It's also the point not to be 'most guys' online.
/r/seduction08/11/19 05:24 PM
1

Yep, it's no different than almost anything else in life, it's easier to get it online.
/r/seduction07/11/19 07:07 PM
4

Regularly. Some girls will never date a guy shorter than them, but enough of them will.
/r/seduction07/11/19 06:42 PM
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I see. I agree with you to get 9s and 10s, real life is the way to go unless you are a 9 or 10 looks yourself. However, most guys aren't getting 9s and 10s in real life either. I would say, get the number/date early on in the online interaction, that's one thing that helps conversion.
/r/seduction07/11/19 06:40 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I believe a lot of people struggle online in a big way... just most of those I encountered who struggle online struggle even more in real life. When you say you never manage to get a date do you never match at all? Converting from a match to a date should be extremely high percentage.
/r/seduction07/11/19 06:18 PM
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These stats all make sense, but at least in major cities I have lived, I don't know a single person who has less success online than IRL. Could be an age thing (most of my data is from people aged late 20s - late 30s).
/r/seduction07/11/19 05:59 PM
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You shouldn't be a "random guy they just met". That is an issue with how you are securing the phone number/contact info.
/r/seduction07/11/19 05:40 PM
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I agree w/this generally speaking for the first 1 or 2 dates. Later, it's different, but first one or two dates, focus on setting up dates. That doesn't mean your text should be: "Hey, want to do something Wednesday" out of the blue. It's fine to "Hey, how was your weekend?" as a first text, but you should be getting to the date very early in the process. Of course, if she initiates random conversation that's different. I can probably write a novel about why this is the case, but the gist of it …
/r/seduction07/11/19 05:32 PM
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placebo, but yes, this.
/r/seduction07/11/19 12:49 AM
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Man, I'm not sure. Are you in a very rural area with very limited selection?
/r/seduction06/11/19 08:05 PM
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Where do you live? If you are 6'2" that should already be enough to get many matches a day online.
/r/seduction06/11/19 07:14 PM
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First dates are about 3 main things: rapport, attraction, and comfort. You want a rapport, i.e. communication. You want to build attraction, and you want her to be comfortable. The best ways to do this, in my opinion, are simple ones, like drinks at a bar that isn't too loud but not dead quiet, or at the bar of a restaurant with a good bar scene. I'm writing a first date 101 series of articles, more will be coming soon, but you can check out the first 2 which cover the basic principles and some …
/r/seduction06/11/19 05:34 PM
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I'd say no, or cancel the date. That doesn't make any sense.
/r/seduction06/11/19 05:32 PM
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What about online and night game?
/r/seduction05/11/19 10:32 PM
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You can talk about interesting stuff... you can inject witty one-liners into conversation, you can share interesting anecdotes, you can be a good listener/ask engaging questions, you can know how to calibrate eye contact and physical touch well. Plenty of ways.
/r/seduction05/11/19 10:20 PM
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A cold approach is not necessarily: "Hey you're cute, can I get your number". That IS creepy unless you're very good looking which gives you a pass on a lot of things. I may get some flack for this, but I find that these type of aggressive cold approaches are very low percentage.
/r/seduction05/11/19 09:31 PM
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Yes. Being at the club with other girls is typically a huge benefit to your game. As /u/dickstellar mentioned, it's social proof. They can also open for you, and talk you up. I have benefited from being out at clubs w/girl friends more times than I can count.
/r/seduction05/11/19 09:28 PM
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Stop texting except to plan dates this early in the process.
/r/seduction05/11/19 09:25 PM
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High energy is mostly helpful in a group setting. If you are not high energy in a group setting you will be "drowned out" by the high energy guys in the group and will not appear as attractive. It also helps even in a non-group setting, but it's not that big a deal. However, there's a difference between being "low-energy/laid back" and being boring. Don't get the two confused.
/r/seduction05/11/19 09:23 PM
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How are you approaching? Of course you will come off as a creep if you approach someone in your class that you barely know and ask them out, out of the blue. In your social circle, where there actually are consequences for getting rejected, it's best to focus on indirect game. Not always, but often.
/r/seduction05/11/19 06:49 PM
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Very doable. Have personally dated multiple women taller than me, some up to 4+ inches taller than me. Some women simply won't date someone shorter than them, but enough will.
/r/seduction04/11/19 10:24 PM
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Obviously it depends how you go the number, but if you got it from online dating app, or an actual substantive interaction (night game, day game that wasn't some get the number via some trickery). Typically ask out on first message: "Hey it's blah, how's your week been? Want to grab a drink on [day]", for example
/r/seduction04/11/19 10:22 PM
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Nothing wrong with reminding yourself consciously until it becomes second nature. That is the way to learn.
/r/seduction04/11/19 10:21 PM
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How old are you? I'd say if you are above college age (say over 22), Vegas would be my top pick for the type of game you're trying to run. Younger than 21 obviously, consider the drinking element.
/r/seduction04/11/19 06:38 PM
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Pretty good idea actually. I like it. You'd have to spread out where you game which should be easy enough.
/r/seduction04/11/19 06:21 PM
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I try to propose a date less than one week in advance. I'd say optimal is probably 2-3 days in the future.
/r/seduction04/11/19 05:34 PM
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Not sure about your style, but facial hair/changing hair style can actually impact this. Also, it's not that important, unless you're one of those guys who never smiles even in conversation. Smiling and laughing is attractive, generally speaking.
/r/seduction04/11/19 05:33 PM
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A good body can go a long way in spring break; however, flying to cancun by yourself to approach is probably not an optimal way to hook up with girls. Walking up to girls alone in a spring break setting where almost everyone is in a group is low percentage relative to other options.
/r/seduction04/11/19 05:32 PM
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No you don't have to be. It does help to have masculine traits with most women, but there are many women who couldn't care less. This is assuming you are not lumping confidence and assertiveness into 'masculine' traits. The subset of women who are into guys who don't have stereotypical masculine traits, and also aren't confident and aren't assertive is very low.
/r/seduction04/11/19 05:29 PM
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Because she felt bad, and because you had a history.
/r/seduction30/10/19 05:26 PM
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Game is about calibration/execution moreso than content. I would actually try to stick to a small subset of openers that you are comfortable with and so you have a baseline with which you can improve the parts of your game that really matter: executing. If you keep switching up openers/routines, you won't know if what's not working is the routine or your execution; you won't be able to calibrate your approach/game because you're constantly switching up routines, etc. Focus on execution.
/r/seduction30/10/19 05:23 PM
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long game does work, it's just a lot more work, so it it's generally not the best first option; however, it is one of the best, if not the best option for getting girls who are significantly better looking than you.
/r/seduction25/10/19 11:52 PM
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I'd text on monday asking her how her weekend was and confirm wednesday. I also pretty much always confirm the day of. My day of confirmation is sometimes something like "Hey I may be running a few minutes late today, so can we say 7:15 instead of 7?), to not make it appear like I'm too eager with the texts and confirms. However, you don't have to play games around the confirmation text, most people appreciate confirming day of. ​ TL/DR: Monday, then Wednesday (day of)
/r/seduction25/10/19 11:42 PM
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well you can try and report back ;)
/r/seduction25/10/19 09:21 PM
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The "text to explain myself" never works. Like, it literally never works. So don't do that. Play it cool. You've probably lost her, but the only way you will get her back is playing it cool and get in her head that maybe it was YOU who lost the interest. That might intrigue her and get you another chance. Odds are slim though in this situation as you described it.
/r/seduction25/10/19 08:32 PM
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What you should be worried about is not your looks, but how can you maximize your looks. How can you look as good as you can be, given your genetics. Are you working out? Dressing well? Proper grooming? If so, then you're doing the right things in the looks regards and you should be thinking about improving the other areas of your game. Also, if you hang out w/good looking guys that is actually really helpful in getting women, even if they get more of the attention, you'll still get more than yo…
/r/seduction25/10/19 07:16 PM
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They actually approach sometimes, initially to just make fun of me, but it's easy to turn that around. I know, this all sounds kind of ridiculous, but it has worked for me. You don't even need to do the book thing, but sitting at the bar, having a home base, and having something to do (eating/etc.) is a pretty effective. People will also congregate near you, people near you start to talk to you sometimes, and you can initiate conversation with people who are near you, which will be a lot of peop…
/r/seduction25/10/19 06:20 PM
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yea haha i edited, this strategy is clearly not for clubs..
/r/seduction25/10/19 06:18 PM
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Yea, this isn't a strategy for a nightclub haha. More for a bar/gastropub type place.
/r/seduction25/10/19 06:18 PM
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I'm in my mid 30s, but been doing that strategy since maybe 27 or so yrs old. In my early 20s I was in college so it was all frat parties and college type game. However, what I will say is that I have successfully, in my 30s, done this at bars where most people happened to be early-mid 20s. So, it might still work, depending on the croud and the vibe at the bar.
/r/seduction25/10/19 04:07 PM
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I've had some success going out alone, even with the bartender a couple times. What I've found is that instead of being the guy walking around talking to everyone, planting myself at the bar, ordering food, and even (I know this sounds ridiculous) reading a book! actually attracted significant attention, and I am not a super good looking guy by any means. EDIT: Just in case it wasn't apparent: this is not a strategy for a night club... more for a bar/restaurant with a good bar scene
/r/seduction25/10/19 03:58 PM
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Ok so it looks like your main sticking point is getting the 1st date. 1 first date is not enough data. (1) Have you tried online dating? This is an easy way to get first dates. Secondly, randomly asking out girls without building any sort of rapport or comfort rarely works. If you are just randomly spamming 'ask outs' that isn't going to be effective. Where are you meeting the girls you ask out right now?
/r/seduction25/10/19 03:53 PM
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Are you chatting a lot and scheduling dates for far in advance? Limit the amount of chatter and schedule dates for the very near future (within 1-3 days ideally) and that should reduce your flake rate.
/r/seduction25/10/19 03:51 PM
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Where is your sticking point. Are you getting first dates or not even that far? That will help diagnose the issue.
/r/seduction24/10/19 10:41 PM
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You never know for sure, but there are plenty of signs, IOIs, etc. Also, you've got to learn how to show you are interested which cuts through all the bs.
/r/seduction24/10/19 08:50 PM
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I'll reiterate the advice to not date at work. There are a lot of other options out there. Take their potential (maybe) interest as a sign that women are interested in you, and that you can and will meet other women, and use it as a confidence booster.
/r/seduction24/10/19 08:49 PM
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You just do it. If you have really hardcore fear of rejection and approach anxiety, start with just talking to women in a non-flirting/dating atmosphere, for example, the starbucks barista. Don't HIT on them, but just take that minimum extra step in conversation as a starting point. Add a "how's your day going", and that's it. Nothing else. Try that as a starting point.
/r/seduction24/10/19 06:31 PM
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Both, but if I had to choose one I would do cold approach/online vs social circle. Less social cost and risk, and more options (way more people online and cold approaching than just in your social circle)
/r/seduction24/10/19 06:28 PM
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My ex told me to bring her flowers to her work, but idk Do not do this....
/r/seduction23/10/19 05:17 AM
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I know you said he has no money, but was this on one of those travel apps? Did he pay for the trip? Also, looks are in the eye of the beholder. Either way, while impressive, this is a low percentage strategy, so not sure there is much practical value in trying to get good at this.
/r/seduction23/10/19 05:15 AM
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Have you tried online dating? That is one of the easiest ways to build up experience. You can focus on the one on one interaction with the woman without worrying about competition, friends, or distraction.
/r/seduction23/10/19 05:12 AM
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Definitely a bad first date. However, I think movie dates are generally underrated, as long as you plan them properly (so that they end early enough to grab a drink or do something after).
/r/seduction22/10/19 03:32 AM
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No. Move on.
/r/seduction22/10/19 03:30 AM
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It's not complicated theoretically, but like many things in life, doing it well is complicated. With that said there are a few simple tips that can help you, such as making eye contact when speaking, not being afraid to approach, make your intentions clear, and be your best self (dress well, clean up well, workout)
/r/seduction22/10/19 03:27 AM
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