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you don't believe any of this game stuff works?
/r/seduction21/01/20 07:43 PM
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I feel like this is a bit advanced for this sub. Try 'attraction forums'
/r/seduction28/11/19 07:00 PM
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Not just that. I think a lot of the 'stress' comes from people having VERY unrealistic ideas of what's possible. Too many people have been fooled by the PUA marketing. Fake infields, and the successful ones that aren't fake are usually the result of extreme numbers game (PUA gets rejected lots and cherrypicks the infield to show where the girl liked him to show his 'game' worked) - usually on Foreign girls who are literally looking to get banged (are on vacation etc). The 'skill' element wasn't …
/r/seduction07/10/19 11:51 AM
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I don't even think I can pull 5 fine teens doing day game cold approach. However I can for sure number close all of them. If they are all single then I will fuck 3 of them that day and 2 later for sure tho. lmao
/r/seduction03/10/19 01:21 PM
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no results except for girls who would have already liked me no matter what i said Hate to break it too ya, but I think that's the case for everyone. People tend to call it their 'game' when, in reality, he opened a girl who thought he was hot, and he'd have got her into bed either way, as long as he wasn't too weird. One can't game a girl into finding him attractive and want to sleep with him
/r/seduction30/09/19 05:30 PM
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only if you wanna be a sugar daddy lol. Most of my slayer friends are just good looking dudes who work as barmen and shit lol. Or decent looking, unemployed, small time dealers My brother is a rich engineer and he gets no play!
/r/seduction28/09/19 03:26 PM
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I don't understand this. He's done nothing wrong. I'm kind of baffled. It's not illegal to approach girls in the UK. I do it all the time (although it's a lot harder than in some countries as we don't tend to talk to strangers!). The article keeps mentioning the girls being 17 and 18 - So? The age of consent in teh UK is 16! And We don't have any 'age gap laws', so he could be 135 and it would still be legal if he was sleeping with 16 year olds I can only assume he must have been super aggressiv…
/r/seduction28/09/19 07:46 AM
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16 is legal in teh uk - he done nothing wrong
/r/seduction28/09/19 07:43 AM
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16 is legal in the UK. He done nothing wrong
/r/seduction28/09/19 07:43 AM
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There's some truth i'd say Butterflies, nervousness, comfort, getting turned on, etc.. A good looking guy ticks 3 of them boxes (butterflies, nervouseness, turned on) by his sheer existence. That's why good looking guys need to just not be super weird (abilily to create comfort) and they get the girl (you tend to need 'attraction', 'comfort' and 'seduction' to get the lay) If you're not her physical type at all, you can tick some boxes, but you'll likely never get her 'turned on'/sexually attrac…
/r/seduction28/09/19 07:37 AM
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Neil was not a true PUA.There is no evidence from other PUA's who hung around the Mistery crew back in those days, Mystery & Matador where the most successful, but it's not hard to see why, they where some pretty good looking dudes, they just needed the confidence to go up and talk to women Straus is more just a marketer. Good at writing and taking pics with girls. Made a lot of money and got some fame and used that to bag himself some post-wall woman to start a family with However, you CAN be u…
/r/seduction26/09/19 09:04 PM
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correct. The Game elements that you can control are about comfort and seduction, but she needs to be attracted to want sex with you, and that requires a physical attraction. Put the best PUA in the world in the body of an old, very ugly bald fat dude with a huge nose and round face and have him try to pick up some stunning teenage cheerleaders. I think you know what the result will be ;)
/r/seduction25/09/19 12:02 PM
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A debate that has been going on since forever and will never reach a consensus. Some say direct game is not even 'game' but just 'fools mate' and 'hitting on girls and trying your luck'. Other would say indirect game is silly because hot girls know why you are speaking to them, and that it shows a lack of manliness and that it's pointless since you can't FORCE attraction on someone. My view is that it's largely irrelevant. She's either into you or she's not. Whether you go indirect or direct, th…
/r/seduction25/09/19 11:35 AM
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nah, it's always a numbers game. Even mystery and Julien and the so called bets in the world get rejected tonnes (and have admitted it) The sets where they don't get rejected are simply sets where the girl IS attracted to them physically, and they then have the charisma/confidence(game) to seal the deal If you're not her type, you're not her type and will never get sexual attraction from her, thus it's always a numbers game You could have amazing game and get 100 rejections in a row if every gir…
/r/seduction12/09/19 07:22 AM
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Looks are obviously the most important thing when it comes to cold approach. Game won't help if you're not her 'type' (physically) And the amount of 'game' required (once she's chosen you) depends on just HOW handsome you are to her. If you look like a young Tom Welling, you'd need to be VERY autistic to net get laid with whoever you want
/r/seduction20/07/19 01:37 PM
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I feel like the wheels fell off before our eyes! Mystery's infeilds were cringey beyond belief. He's a decent looking giant of a man. All of his 'tech' was a bit like dumbo's feather. If he'd just hit on girls directly, he'd have gotten better results. Not to mention there's very little evidence of him even actually pulling girls! Then there's Tyler. Not great looking. Seemed to get some decent resutls back in the day. However, it was because he played numbers game to the extreme!1 He approached…
/r/seduction27/06/19 11:19 AM
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Basically, I'm not the one to give advice. But going like this you are fucked. I honestly think it's actually you who will be fucked. No offence. Believing everything you read in the PUA material and spinning your wheels racking your brain for weeks over why that girl rejected you last night, and what you 'should' have said to her to make her want you (over and over again) etc is a recipe for disaster. I've seen it again and again, especially in the old mysterymethod days. Should I have went mor…
/r/seduction26/04/19 02:13 PM
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lol, that cracked me up. Imagine claiming to to be able to bang whoever you want, lol. As if 'game' is some sort of Jedi Mind trick! haha. I hope nobody actually believes him!! There's some young, impressionable dudes on this sub!
/r/seduction19/04/19 12:57 PM
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I fear you are going down a rabbit hole, my man. Most people here are of the opinion that this stuff (mystery method) is outdated and not the best way to run game. Game has moved on. Many of the ideas ''IOD'ing, DHV'ing, compliance tests etc'' are no longer taught and it's generally seen as a massive overcomplication and something that confuses you and puts you in your head as you are thinking about flowcharts and maps and rules when you should just be paying attention and having fun and escalat…
/r/seduction19/01/19 10:32 PM
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https://krauserpua.com/2018/09/10/jmulv-is-a-fraud-obviously/
/r/seduction19/01/19 08:55 PM
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Depending on how handsome she thinks you are, you'd need to really be super super boring and weird basically. We live in a superficial world. Now more than ever. Being good looking puts you at an unbelievable advantage
/r/seduction16/09/18 09:40 AM
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yep. was reading this just before I saw your post in fact lol https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/100-approaches.251860/
/r/seduction13/09/18 10:42 AM
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When she actually bothers to try to qualify herself to you.
/r/seduction10/09/18 01:31 PM
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You have any FR's posted here at all? I'd like to read some.
/r/seduction07/09/18 07:34 PM
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I'm betting his mate is a very handsome dude.
/r/seduction29/05/18 10:06 AM
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Zayn and Reynolds are both very good looking.
/r/seduction27/05/18 10:05 AM
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I think his openers were fine to be honest. Lots of guys open with just 'hi'. DOn't need to be a comedian really. Out of interest, can you give some examples of openers to 'make them laugh with the first sentence you say''? I'm curious how you do it. Cheers
/r/seduction22/05/18 09:40 AM
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Just lie. You are now a Tree surgeon, and you are in the process of moving house and are curently living with your parents whilst all the paperwork and stuff get's sorted. And if they have their own place, still try to go there instead
/r/seduction22/05/18 07:38 AM
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You won't get much help on here (most only know what it's like in the US and think you are talking rubbish lol) All I can suggest as someone whose experienced how rough it cane be in some of Europe is to really hit hard on 'statements of empathy' and also try to be as fun as possible. Les 'alpha' and more self amused and friendly Most girls you approach will have never been cold approached in their whole life and rather than that being 'good' for you (''Ohhhh.....you're gonna stand out dude. You…
/r/seduction21/05/18 08:25 PM
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Having a job is not even a factor. Completely irrelevant for hooking up! 1/ Girls don't care 2/If for some reason she does care, you just lie ''Yeah, I'm in marketting. Anyway bla bla bla'' Not having your own place is the bigger issue for pickup, but most of my lays i've gone back to the girls place. One time I banged a girl in an alleyway. And if your parents don't mind you bringing chicks home, then just do that!!
/r/seduction21/05/18 02:58 PM
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lol
/r/seduction21/05/18 02:47 PM
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Some people prefer cats. I prefer dogs. Favourite dogs are probably boxers
/r/seduction21/05/18 02:16 PM
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You're as mad as a march hare
/r/seduction21/05/18 12:48 PM
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this isn't really a game forum anymore dude. You'll only get silly replies like above. I am going to PM you and direct you too a different sub
/r/seduction15/05/18 05:42 PM
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If you think UK has culture of not talking to strangers or being receptive It's a fairly well known thing dude lol. But yes, I agree that other places have it worse. But the US is bliss for cold approach. People seem trained like robots to be approachable and to talk back and ask questions and smile etc. It's crazy!
/r/seduction15/05/18 04:51 PM
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Well I guess people in the UK are famously more guarded with strangers compared to say the US. American people are super polite and social with strangers which is cool TheattractionForums done a big piece on this years ago where all the instructors compared their results from their time doing pickup in various countries
/r/seduction15/05/18 04:49 PM
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https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2429350
/r/seduction15/05/18 04:48 PM
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Strange. I've had loads of friends where something similar happened where the girl was like ''Sleep in my bed but DON'T try to make a move. Nothing is happening'' and then my friends just went to sleep like you did, and then after that , she completely disowned them basically, presumably for NOT making a move! Like she assumed they were either pussy or not interested? But you were rewarded for that behaviour it seems? I dunno! Woman can't be worked out lol
/r/seduction11/05/18 09:37 PM
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You show masculine energy by communicating honest intent without fear of rejection Nothing wrong with that, but if you aren't extremely handsome(or I should say, unless she happens to think you are extremely handsome based on her own preferences), it'll only end in 100% instant rejection
/r/seduction11/05/18 05:46 PM
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I never knew he had so much game!! Solid, Mark Manson style game. Direct and making his intent clear. Boomhauer should run bootcamps!
/r/seduction02/05/18 11:10 PM
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I know that all they have to go off it pictures and that they obviously are all that matters. I'm just saying that I imagine a good looking face is more helpful than making sure i'm skydiving in my pics or whatever lol.
/r/seduction15/04/18 11:07 PM
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Seems like I get a new girl to sleep with every month or so In for tips!
/r/seduction15/04/18 07:54 PM
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I consider myself to be the least successful person with Tinder on planet earth, lol. Like, use up all my swipes every day, and get 1 match per month if i'm lucky. I assume it's just because i'm ugly! haha. I mean, i'm sure my pics could be better (like, of me doing interesting things, and more 'arty' etc etc) but you wouldn't think that would matter THAT much. Sometimes I wonder if there's some sort of bug or something!! Reason I say that is, When I first used tinder when it first came out, I g…
/r/seduction15/04/18 07:51 PM
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Girls always end up going to my best friend My friend is really handsome Checks out.
/r/seduction14/04/18 02:37 PM
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Don't tell any of the mysterymethod dudes that!
/r/seduction13/04/18 08:44 AM
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I was right, though ;)
/r/seduction11/04/18 04:00 PM
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It still counts for shit when it comes to seduction and attraction. Whilst I agree that one can still get laid as an ugly guy, I also think that very good looks really are enough ON THEIR OWN to get laid with hot girls a lot of the time. i.e - Zero game. Just very good looks. I've seen so so many instances of hot girls in bars pouncing on some super handsome guy who was just holding his beer to his chest and then watched HER escalate and pull him. Or even something like tinder! Bodybuilding.coms…
/r/seduction11/04/18 09:16 AM
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it's not really about 'wrong'. If he looked like Ryan Goslin, his approaches would have all worked. He just needs to keep approaching until he finds a girl who is into him
/r/seduction16/03/18 12:17 PM
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Keep going. Numbers game. You need to find the girls who think you ARE good looking. They are the ones who will give you a shot
/r/seduction16/03/18 11:09 AM
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lol
/r/seduction16/03/18 10:30 AM
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And 80% of looks is controllable. More like 30% i'd say. Good looks is really about bone structure. The things that 'hurt' peoples looks the most can only be altered with surgery, although I guess in that sense it is STILL sort of controllable (as long as you have a hell of a lot of money and don't mind the risk of surgery)
/r/seduction16/03/18 09:09 AM
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tbh, looks are super important. 'game' isn't some sort of black magic lol. It's just being social and not being awkward. You can't MAKE girl attracted to you with push/pull and some negs and kino. She needs to be into your look before you can use 'game' to give you an edge. Not saying you need to be Leo DiCaprio, but she needs to find you physically attractive Looks give you attraction. The rest of it is just a matter of escalating. Good looks is pickup on super duper easy mode
/r/seduction16/03/18 12:05 AM
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side bar is pretty shit tbh. Mostly broken links and 'inner game' stuff that's not really relevant to going out TONIGHT and getting laid. Plus bad boys don't read, fam!
/r/seduction09/03/18 06:37 PM
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If he's lots better looking than you, then yeah, you never stood a chance, so don't beat yourself up. I know that the PUA industry hates to hear it, but looks are very important with cold approach. The hard part of game is 'attraction' - If you are very good looking, you already have that whole stage covered. IN the case of a male model/very good looking dude, it's not only covered, but it's through the roof! You can't compete with that. Don't game with him anymore, lol
/r/seduction28/01/18 07:43 PM
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it's really hard to not get laid when girls are opening you and flirting with you, touching you etc. I have good looking friends who are pretty much raped by girls on a weekly basis simply by being handsome lol
/r/seduction26/01/18 05:42 PM
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I'm going back a bit now, but I think it usually happened when you basically tell friends and stuff that you like a girl. They tell her. If she's interested in you, you'll find out. Then you basically ask her out and have sex. That's how my friends usually got laid when they were like 14-16 You can't MAKE girls attracted to you, though.
/r/seduction26/01/18 02:21 PM
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this. Gotta keep plugging away with cold approach until you get a girl who's into you and receptive too a cold approach. You likely done nothing 'wrong' (assuming you didn't open her by spitting at her or whatever lol) Besides, main rule of seddit is 'what you say doesn't matter' so there's not much to really learn from writing it all out, I guess
/r/seduction26/01/18 01:32 PM
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girl replies 'hi' and looks away. NOW you have to start an actual conversation, lol. IN other words, 'hello' doesn't help him.
/r/seduction20/12/17 06:06 PM
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I've gotten a few makeouts in bars/clubs without saying a word but Never sex without saying a word all night, though! In fact, my BEST ever lay in terms of hotness (she was STUNNING and 18 years old that night, and I was 32) started with an instant makeout
/r/seduction08/12/17 07:11 PM
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This is classic, and why I don't subscribe too a lot of the 'inner game' ''Just get a good job and make loads of money and get hobbies and the girls will come'' theory. It just doesn't 'transfer'. I know at least 3 guys in my peer group who's lives in general are about 15 times more successful than mine. They are confident in their work and earn about 10 times my salary. Nice houses. Nice cars. Have hobbies. All that jazz....but they are all more or less 30 year old virgins. They can't 'attract'…
/r/seduction08/12/17 07:03 PM
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This is a result of the modern popular pickup philosophy of 'what you say doesn't matter', and if you are running out of things to say 'Don't filter what you say and lower the bar' etc which is when you get guys going quiet in a conversation with a girl and then blurting out ''Pink elephants! I like salad. What's your favourite mushroom?!!'' It's kind of good advice in a way, but as you have learnt, it's not all skittles and champagne! I guess a proper solution for 'running out of things to say'…
/r/seduction07/12/17 11:13 PM
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is the correct answer!
/r/seduction05/12/17 05:59 PM
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you should watch some infields from the best pua's such as RSD/evoutiondaily etc. It's fine and normal to open and ask the classic getting to nkow you questions. IN fact, you'd just appear odd if you made statements or asked completely whacky questions too a total stranger
/r/seduction21/11/17 06:15 PM
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No one can reject you if you want to talk to them! Unless you are too creepy. Generally true in the daytime. Not with nightgame, though. Girls will often instantly reject a non creepy guy/(back turn without replying or whatever) if he's not her type and he tries to talk to her
/r/seduction25/10/17 05:33 PM
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have some beers and do nightgame
/r/seduction25/10/17 11:22 AM
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I strongly agree with this! Seddit seems to often ignore context. I've also read lots of posts recently suggesting that opening a girl by telling her she's cute it 'wrong'. Approaching a hot girl in a club and opening super direct or with a compliment or whatever is probably not ideal in my eyes. Her bitch shield is up. She's had guys all night saying this to her. It's not different at all. Personally, i'd advise being direct in your sub coms, but fairly indirect with verbals in this situation. …
/r/seduction24/10/17 11:30 PM
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Is direct necessary sometimes? Like, last night I was walking too the bar to meet a friend and walked past some young stunner who was waiting at the bus stop. I had no idea how to open in that situation and bottled it which I feel played a role in me having a shit night! I kept thinking about how hot she was and what a pussy I was, and I think it lead to me not even making any approaches in the bar! Should I have just like ''Hey, I know this is random, but you look cute and I had to say hi'' or …
/r/seduction23/10/17 08:25 PM
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don't rape her either Noted. Good advice
/r/seduction22/10/17 04:38 PM
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But what you say doesn't matter, it's how you say it? :) Not a big deal, OP. I'm guessing you maybe missread her eye fucking for starters. Everyone is saying your opener is bad and that your follow up questions were boring, but go and look at every RSD infield, and you'll find lots of examples that read like your interaction. Opener with an obseravation about the girl. And then 'where are you from'', ''what's your name'', ''age'', bla bla bla, and these guys are professionals! Don't beat yoursel…
/r/seduction07/10/17 12:11 PM
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I think maybe she set off her own Anti Slut defence! Usually the antislut defence happens when you do more than kissing, but don't have sex. (For example, fingering a girl in a club or something and then getting her number to meet next week is almost a guarantee that you will never ever hear from her again!) But in your FR, it doesn't sound like you done much. However, it does sounds like she made it very clear verbally that you could bang her soon. These words were kind of said whilst she was '…
/r/seduction30/09/17 08:45 AM
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Funnily enough, in his most recent stuff, JulienRSD says that it's not necessary at all. (until you're literally in the bedroom - you have to touch her eventually if you want to bang her!) Most advice is to touch early, often and escalate. Like, approach girl at bar, chat, touch using the Di Carlo escalation ladder etc and I too tend to think it's best to veer on the side of DO TOUCH rather than AVOID it, but Julien has shown a few pulls now in which the actual interaction itself is just him sel…
/r/seduction28/09/17 05:37 PM
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just talking too a girl isn't really necessarily gaming, to be honest. There's a difference between some 'nice guy' making polite conversation with a girl but never getting anywhere because he isn't actually running game, and some guy gaming her and getting her into bed.
/r/seduction26/09/17 08:25 AM
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you still need to obey the 90/10 rule though, especially at the beginning. And Especially with younger girls in bars and stuff. I've lost count of the amount of times a girl will walk away if she's expected to do all of the talking when someone opens them and doesn't have anything to bring to the table.
/r/seduction14/09/17 09:46 AM
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Sounds like a good way to come across as super awkward, to be honest. If you approach a girl and have nothing to say, she isn't gonna feel obliged to do all of the talking and do your job for you unless you are Leo Di Caprio You approach some random girl, it's on you to step up. Most girls will have no problem with just giving you the back turn after the open if you just look at them, waiting for them to get talking. They're not as socially kind as the writer of that post seems to think, lol - e…
/r/seduction13/09/17 10:50 PM
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Funnily enough, in his most recent stuff, JulienRSD says that it's not necessary at all. (until you're literally in the bedroom. Like throwawaypua says, you have to touch her eventually if you want to bang her!) Most advice is to touch early, often and escalate. Like, approach girl at bar, chat, touch using the Di Carlo escalation ladder etc and I too tend to think it's best to veer on the side of DO KINO rather than AVOID it, but Julien has shown a few pulls now in which the actual interaction …
/r/seduction13/09/17 10:21 PM
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You're ripped. How old are you anyway? I'm 31 and I slept with a girl I met who was a few days away from her 18th birthday this year. (16 is always legal in the UK) - My prettiest ever lay by far. Could NOT believe my luck. Maybe you stumbled across one of the rare girls with an older guy fetish!
/r/seduction05/09/17 07:58 AM
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31, although I have slept with a girl who had just turned 18 this year and I remember Tyler saying he was having lots of success with 18 year olds when he was actually even older, so I don't think it's 100% the fact that i'm old. I feel it's more that young girls feel very judged by their friends and don't want to talk to random guys, and also, especially here in the UK, talking to strangers in general isn't really the 'done thing' One thing I plan to experiment with is trying to come of very no…
/r/seduction04/09/17 12:40 PM
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I doubt it. I'm sure they get laid a lot. Helps that they often game in party destinations with holiday makers and travellers. Girls who are literally looking to get laid and without fear of judgement since they're away from all of their friends etc. Although they are apparently all rich. I was surprised to hear that even Max is a millionnaire
/r/seduction04/09/17 10:47 AM
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'Advice' on peoples FR's is often painful on this sub in the event that they weren't successful in pulling. Should be so that only a select few should be able to even comment!
/r/seduction01/09/17 04:03 PM
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This apparently happens lots on 'bootcamps'. I've heard the RSD guys talk about it. It seems to be a natural thing that happens and we need to train ourselves to always 'stick in there' unless she literally tells you to go away. It kind of goes against our natural social skills to bail when, for whatever reason, either you fell uncomfortable or you sense that SHE is uncomfortable, but It needs to be done, I guess!
/r/seduction19/08/17 08:38 AM
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thanks
/r/seduction19/08/17 08:36 AM
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I know it sounds weird, but the 'just say hi' thing has probably been my MOST unsuccessful opener. It worked well for me in the US and girls always said hi back, and even asked me a question or whatever, but in the UK if you open a girl with 'hi', she looks at you like you're retarded like ''I don't know you. Why are you talking to me?'' kind of thing. From that and some FR's, people advised me to open with self amusing openers and situational openers etc
/r/seduction09/08/17 09:42 PM
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no, they know i'm not selling them something :) This is nightgame in bars in a small town in the UK. I think the UK is like 99% social circle game in general. We don't speak to strangers like they do in the US, but it's still not impossible, so I don't plan to give up! If i'd never have learnt game, i'd never have approached, and it's lead to one or 2 lays from cold approach. One in particular that i'll take to the grave! (a super hot girl just turned 18 that night, when I was like 32 lol) But i…
/r/seduction09/08/17 09:14 PM
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I actually started doing this briefly, but got a bit overwhelmed. I tracked things like the TYPE of opener (self amuse? opinion opener? observation opener? Compliment? etc), whether I smiled or not, etc. Basically, I assumed it must be something in my 'vibe' since so money of the rejections are so fast. Just wasn't sure what else to track in terms of 'vibe' (maybe body language?) and got a bit dejected with it all I guess. I'd like to try again, though.
/r/seduction09/08/17 08:57 PM
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how do you narrow your mistakes down in hindsight when there are potentially infinite variables as to why the interaction bombed? Like the OP, I am also guilty of being seemingly unable to learn from my mistakes. It's annoying/ I've actually made about the same number of approaches (600 or so) as him, too! I actually have had 1 or 2 lays, but they've tended to feel more like luck in that I could have got the lay without ever having read any game material. She was just into me. I'm yet to be able…
/r/seduction09/08/17 08:12 PM
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I see more woeful advice being given as usual, lol This sub suffers from a strange hindsight bias where people rationalise every interaction and try to force the reason for failure in a Field Report. If a guy opens direct and gets blown out, it's 'Noooo!! Never open Direct, bro!!!'' Then if he opens indirect and gets blown out, its ''You gotta make your intentions clear, bro!! Open direct!!!'' The answer, as seems to be the case for me in this FR, is that he didn't do anything wrong! In fact, he…
/r/seduction18/07/17 03:17 PM
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To be honest, i'm not sure what people mean when they offer that sort of advice, either. How can you always make someone laugh off the open? How can you know that they'll think whatever you say is 'funny' or interesting? Maybe the posters who said that can give you a few examples from their own interactions. Maybe they have props or something that they go out with, lol Who knows
/r/seduction04/07/17 11:14 AM
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Anyway, nice one for recording it. Make sure you do more and post them here! Also, record some in quieter bars a little earlier in the night before you hit the actual club. Too much of game is nonverbal and 'looks based' in clubs, so recording audio in quieter bars and pubs will be good to learn from
/r/seduction23/02/17 08:54 PM
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Well, even though she was only a 6, you pulled! My friends usually can't pull 6's home from bars and from your audio, I'd say they likely have better 'game', plus you said you were new to game. People aren't usually getting laid from cold approaches straight away. So I assumed you must have looks going for you instead. Kudos for uploading the audio, though. I like it when regular guys (not profesional PUA's) do that!
/r/seduction23/02/17 08:37 PM
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Are you fairly good looking~?
/r/seduction23/02/17 08:32 PM
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Game is not a "jedi mind trick" or "magic". But if you think it was ever supposed to be that then you're looking at this the wrong way. I think that's jus the way certain people (particularly on forums such as RooshV's pickup forum) make it sound. Sucks newbies in, I guess. ''Wow, I can be 5ft tall and physically repulsive to look at, but if I 'learn game', I can get any hot 18 year old cheerleader in bed!!! yay'' kind of thing ''Once you understand more about women'' What do you think you need …
/r/seduction29/01/17 10:19 AM
2

This stuff shouldn't need to be explained, lol
/r/seduction28/01/17 06:04 PM
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With respect, you're not that much better than the guys who come here and say "A man should never 'bother' a lady he doesn't know in a club; she doesn't go there to be hit on hehe. I bother ladies in clubs every time I go out! :) Why are you even here? What do you think PUA is for? To learn about game. I'm not a game denier. It can help seal the deal with girls that are initially interested. A very handsome guy will get approached, but if he has ZERO game (is completely socially awful) then he'l…
/r/seduction28/01/17 05:48 PM
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With respect, you're probably being downvoted because you sound a little bit brainwashed, like you believe everything you read without the real life reference experiences. Who knows how successful they really were? And lets assume they were successful, who's to say they didn't only pull the 'yes' girls? Not to mention that this was their life, so they played numbers game BIT TIME! Unless you're hideous looking, some girls will be somewhat attracted to you. In fact, in 'the game', mystery himself…
/r/seduction28/01/17 05:30 PM
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The type of things we were figuring out sharing field reports are all solved now Are they, though? I mean, you could say that negs/push pull/how to respond to shit tests/ (etc etc) are all not needed since, as we are told, 'what you say doesn't matter'. Even if someone ''said something unconventional' and got an interesting reaction, there'd still be no value since what you say doesn't have any impact, and unless one can somehow describe 'how' he said it there'd, be nothing to learn, no?
/r/seduction18/01/17 06:17 PM
2

You done well to be honest. I live in a rough part of England, and you meet a fair few very aggressive girls (chavs) and quite a few times I've had hostile reactions to opening. On one occasion it lead to me having to defend myself against some 'white knight' guy who wanted to be a hero and I had to throttle him! So it's a good skill to be able to diffuse the girls when they want to kick off 'cos they love a bit of drama! (I need to get better at it in fairness!) They can also get their boyfrien…
/r/seduction15/12/16 09:13 PM
1

Like many people I have received the 'get more hobbies and interests' stuff before, and I went out and learnt the guitar and the piano! I can now play both fairly well. I also started playing football and play in a league on Monday nights. However, it hasn't changed my success with girls one iota, unfortunately. I also work out maybe 4 days per week with free weights.
/r/seduction11/11/16 09:30 AM
5

Yeah, my head has been spinning recently. One forum I read implies that literally every sentence you utter should be said for a reason and get you closer to the 'goal'. It's got to the point where if a girl just simply states something like ''I'm here with a few friends'' I'm thinking ''What do I say to that?....If I just say 'oh, cool. Where are they?' or something, then that's not using game....i'm supposed to somehow evoke some sort of emotional response somehow!'' And then I completely count…
/r/seduction09/11/16 10:32 PM
1

would you have somehow knew that her friend would be there and thus not go?
/r/seduction31/10/16 10:14 PM
3

balls of steel. Most people do NOT have the balls to even attempt what you done, so respect there. And yeah, it's hard to know who to listen too. Most people on here will definitely tell you not to compliment a girl on her looks, but i'd say about 95% of online PUA's on youtube always, without fail, compliment girls on their looks. And these guys are supposed to be the best! The last time I got laid I told the girl that I thought she was hot (not straight away, though). I really don't think it's…
/r/seduction31/10/16 09:43 PM
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girls are approaching you left and right you lucky mofo! :) You must be handsome. I'm jealous! thanks for the Field report.
/r/seduction31/10/16 05:50 PM
1

I'm a fair bit older and have only banged 3, so to me you have lots of game! I wonder at what point someone can claim to 'have game'? How many lays based on ones age? Does a 16 year old with 10 lays have indisputable game which we could alll learn from? There are guys on goodlookingloser who claim to have no game at all, and some of them have banged over 150 girls and are in their early 20's. Or maybe a hell of a lot of it is down to your looks and logistics than your 'game'...???... When did yo…
/r/seduction31/10/16 05:32 PM
1

of course!! Some people would have been rejected like 1000 times in a row!
/r/askTRP31/10/16 05:24 PM
3

it's not what you say, but how you say it, so... reply with whatever you want! You can't lose
/r/seduction31/10/16 03:18 PM
4

If they are getting compliments from random girls, then it's just because they are very good looking. You can't 'copy' that. It's their genetics.
/r/seduction31/10/16 11:19 AM
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Sometimes I feel that I have built lots of rapport and attraction and we are vibing etc, and maybe even some light kino, but I still feel that it would be weird to try to kiss her at that point - as if i'm missing a certain 'step' to almost prepare her for the kiss in a way - I see various pua's use various lines in these instances. You say they're not necessary and you're probably right, but I just feel as though it looks more socially aware? Like, if i'm doing very well with a girl and she see…
/r/seduction30/10/16 03:52 PM
2

I've never had a reply from POF or OKC. I have had some replies on tinder, but no meetups.
/r/seduction30/10/16 01:43 PM
1

Even though people say pickup is not about using lines or even what you say, I noticed that pretty much all pua's seem to all use the same lines at certain points of the interactions. 'Adventure' when trying to go for the pull, 'im shy' around the point of going for the makeout etc. I saw an infield vid of valentino kohen, and he said 'im shy' in literally every single interaction. About 50 of them! Should we all be using certain lines at certain points in each interaction?
/r/seduction30/10/16 09:53 AM
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isn't that what most people do which leads them to places like seddit in the first place? (getting rejected all the time) I don't think failling until you learn how to do it is necessarily good advice. I bet people could spend a lifetime getting rejected and never really 'get it'.
/r/seduction27/10/16 12:18 PM
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I get this a LOT! i'm often questioning what i'm doing wrong, but sometimes I just think that the girl is simply not into me based on my looks or whatver, and so naturally doesn't want to 'encourage' me by giving me long answers etc, so they just give short answers and look disinterested and assume that you'll then just walk away?
/r/seduction22/10/16 08:26 AM
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I kind of like the idea of how talking about certain subjects gives you the chance to be a little 'flirtier'. I wonder whether it is necessary, though? It feels a bit 'canned'. Like, if i'm talking to a girl, i'm tihnking, ''OK, we're getting on. I need to bring up the subject of tattoos in a minute'' - It can kind of put you 'in your head a bit..?.... But maybe it's just one of those things. Then again, I wonder if people have pulled on nights out without talking about anything REMOTELY sexual?
/r/seduction21/10/16 06:45 PM
2

write out a pretend/hypothetical conversation you have with someone in a bar, starting with an approach which is not 'direct'
/r/seduction21/10/16 03:28 PM
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Doesn't add up? If you're able to get instant dates in the day then that 's pretty huge!
/r/seduction21/10/16 01:53 PM
2

Most rookies look to waitresses and bartenders, so I'll give you points for creativity thanks! :) ps - I've done nearly 300 real approaches, lol
/r/seduction21/10/16 01:20 PM
1

I think compliments aren't usually recommended here on seddit, but thanks, though.
/r/seduction21/10/16 12:20 PM
1

I think you're right!!
/r/seduction21/10/16 11:26 AM
1

Bringing up dating in people you find attractive is very basic conversation, and it may seem daunting at first, but it's the easiest way to know if you're not very well versed with subtlety and seduction Thanks. And how would someone who IS well versed in seduction bring it up out of interest? You mean they'd be more subtle and maybe ask about what exciting they'd been up too recently and see if 'boyfriend' is mentioned, or maybe slip in an anecdote about an ex girlfriend and then make a stateme…
/r/seduction21/10/16 11:02 AM
2

You wouldn't believe some of the other assumptions I made about her!
/r/seduction20/10/16 05:56 PM
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I guess 'cos her parents are both white :)
/r/seduction20/10/16 11:05 AM
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cringey? This guy is smooth
/r/seduction20/10/16 10:57 AM
1

getting 'good' at tinder is about getting matches, though. e.g - you need to be good looking. I already work out, though and have a good body. cheers
/r/seduction19/10/16 07:53 PM
1

Depends how you look at it. I got laid on pretty much my first cold approach since reading pickup material. Felt like a rockstar. So you could argue I've gone backwards!! But really, it was just a very lucky pull. Girl was a teenager half my age, very drunk, and had just got dumped by her boyfriend. At the moment my approach anxiety is a lot less, which really feels like my only 'improvement'. I still often get rejected very early on. On sets where I don't get told 'sorry. not interested/got a b…
/r/seduction19/10/16 06:51 PM
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Well it certainly hasn't 'fell into place' with me so far (and a fair few others) but I guess it kinds of depends on your starting point. If you're a super sociable, confident, handsome dude, I bet one would maybe learn faster. I'm on maybe 250 approaches so far. Still often get rejected after the open, but it seems to completely depend on the girl rather than me. I might approach and get told to 'go away' straight away. I tihnk 'right, never approach like that again'', but then, I might just tr…
/r/seduction19/10/16 06:32 PM
1

I've been cursed with really good looking friends my whole life, so I know how you feel! One of them was an actual model. The other one was actually even better looking (in most peoples eyes) but was a tree surgeon. They had girls THROWING themselves at them and approaching them non stop. It was ridiclous. The model had zero personality but still obviously slayed, and the tree surgeon was a really cool guy in fairness and kind of funny. He could have actually done even better than the model, but…
/r/seduction19/10/16 04:51 PM
1

cold reading as in, ''you look like you work in fashion''? And what do you mean by 'make decisions and keep going'? cheers
/r/seduction19/10/16 04:40 PM
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That'd be OK. Although I don't know anyone who gets anywhere with cold approach, so not sure who I could learn from. My friends who get laid get it ALL from tinder. They tihnk tinder is like free prostitutes since they just meet them in hotels and bang without any 'game'. But they don't really even bother trying cold approach as they think it's so hard, but that's what I want to be able to do
/r/seduction19/10/16 04:23 PM
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I tihnk my self awareness must suck. I feel as though I do different things wrong in every interaction! Sometimes coming across as too needy. Sometimes just being super boring as I can't think of anything good to say other than the usual questions. Sometimes being to excited/high energy. Sometimes being too low energy/aloof. I experiment in the hope that SOMETHING will work! lol Was actually thinking of taking some sort of bootcamp here in the UK myself, but some of the prices are outrageous!
/r/seduction19/10/16 04:17 PM
1

On of my friends apparently banged a teacher when he was 15 or 16. It was never proven, but he was a really tall, good looking guy. One of those kids who got lots of facial hair and a deep voice whilst everyone he knew still looked like little boys. The teacher was a hot maths teacher and I saw her flirt with him all of the time, because I sat next to him. He told me he banged her one day when he got speaking to her outside the gym. Obviously kids lie, but to be honest, it definitely seemed very…
/r/seduction19/10/16 04:11 PM
1

She's hot, but you juts know the 17 year old is some tall, good-looking jock! I'll be impressed when it's the scrawny 5ft math geek banging her! And his text game would get critisized here for being way too soppy!
/r/seduction19/10/16 03:59 PM
2

I'm a 6/7, at best, yet I get basically anyone I choose teach me your ways!
/r/seduction19/10/16 12:54 PM
2

I hate seeing UK on that list as someone of 30 who's always lived here and who's only got laid a small handful of times despite his best efforts!!! lol - feeling pathetic, yo!!! I'm thinking about travelling to a few different countries to see if I have any more luck in other countries, though
/r/seduction19/10/16 12:24 PM
1

they say it Doesn't matter what you say, but how you say it, so don't worry too much about it
/r/seduction19/10/16 08:20 AM
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I don't quite understand this. I mean why learn 'game' if the answer is to just say any old thing and behave in any old way and hope that you have chemistry? It kind of sounds like the opposite of game? Of course, you're not going to pick this up in a day. he idea is to practice it constantly. Let conversations die out and become awkward Why not, though? I mean, it's easy to let the conversation die out and just have awkward silences. There's kind of nothing to learn. That's what i've been doing…
/r/seduction18/10/16 08:10 PM
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cheers. T be honest, I think she is as hot as hell, and I'd happily cut my thumbs off to bang her! :) Too each their own, though Yes, as you say, he's a loser, yet he's super confident. But it's exactly that which I find interesting! I know other people like him. No jobs. No real interests. But they appear confident, at least when talking to girls, and the girls always fall for it. These guys break the rules about 'getting your life in check, get lots of amazing hobbies, make loads of money' etc…
/r/seduction18/10/16 07:55 PM
1

I always hear of these guys but I have yet to meet one. I have yet to meet a guy that is a burn out that is hooking up with girls that are hotter then girls I hook up with. Its an urban legend. Maybe it's a UK thing! In some parts of the UK (more deprived parts) all you will see is hot girls going out with guys dressed like slobs who just deal drugs and live on benefits. It always amazes me. This Unemployed dude spends all day smoking weed. Check his girl! http://imgur.com/a/sncbu
/r/seduction18/10/16 05:30 PM
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cool. I'll look forward too it. I notice in the US in pickup vids, after the opener, people tend to talk about where each other is from and stuff for ages (I guess since the US is a big place and if you game in touristy areas, you're bound to meet people from different states) and this helps the conversation flow. But where I live, everyone is from here, pretty much born and raised. I don't know how to have a 'fun' conversation, or at least one that doesn't feel like an interview. I just ask who…
/r/seduction18/10/16 03:51 PM
1

Can you do some more bar infields? Like a small bar where you don't have to shout as opposed to a 'club'? I never know what to say after I open other than the typical boring questions.
/r/seduction18/10/16 03:06 PM
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I like it. However, what confuses me sometimes these vids just look like 2 people having a conversation. I don't see much in teh way of 'game'! I feel as though someone who'd never read a game book could have the same interaction. Either way, you seemed super relaxed as always, but I think that's just yuor natural personality. I have friends who are like you who also do well with girls. Basically the opposite of social anxiety!
/r/seduction18/10/16 12:40 PM
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When I talk of my goals. My reason. What I want from life. Girls fall into my arms. What are these goals/reasons/what yuo want from life? Also, if one only wants one-night-stands, isn't it enough to just be fun and flirty as opposed to spilling you guts about how you want to go and save the whales or whatever? I know guys who get laid who live off of benefits and have never had a job and have no passion besides video games/drugs and sex How do THEY do it?!
/r/seduction18/10/16 09:58 AM
1

I'm so jealous of how talkative and fun and stuff US girls are. I wish I lived there!
/r/seduction18/10/16 09:00 AM
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what sort of things do you 'change up'? It can be hard to pinpoint since there are basically infinite variables. You mention confidence. His is maybe low (when it comes to girls) but as a result of having no success with girls. It's kind of a catch 22. He's not gonna be confident with girls until he has success! He can't magic up confidence out of thin air. Swag factor? Don't different girls like different 'styles' of fashion on men? Career prospects? What if he just isn't that clever and just h…
/r/seduction17/10/16 04:53 PM
2

The last bit of your post reminded me about something that happened a long time ago. I was kind of depressed/socially anxious (still am - it's a life long thing, it seems :() and I somehow managed to pull a model! She was at my house getting drunk and I was having a drink too. I fancied her, and so was naturally even more shy around her than with other people. Spent time just by myself sitting down. She came over to me and started flirting. I just kind of laughed as I assumed she wasn't being se…
/r/seduction17/10/16 02:43 PM
2

how do your friends do it? Can't you copy what they say, how they act?
/r/seduction17/10/16 02:03 PM
1

5k?!!!! Jesus.
/r/seduction17/10/16 12:36 PM
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lol, same :)
/r/seduction16/10/16 08:38 PM
0

tinder!
/r/seduction16/10/16 08:22 PM
1

Any idea how you pulled her?! What do yuo remember about it? As for not getting hard, it's almost CERTAINLY nerves. It can be a bastard to get over, because once it happens, it's kind of all you can think about, and then you're thinking so hard about getting an erection that you don't get one! Becomes a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. It's more common than you'd think, but most guys are too shy/embarrassed to talk about it with their friends. However, mots of my mates are shameless, and most …
/r/seduction16/10/16 02:44 PM
2

everyone has their own timeline I like that. One of the things that I tihnk stops me from even trying to be a better person is because I just feel as though i've already 'missed out' All of my friends have had like 50+ sexual partners and are now settling down with kids and stuff, and i've only had a small handful of sexual partners and just feel pathetic in comparison and I feel as though i'm already too old to be able to get what I actually want (I'm attracted to young girls) I like the idea t…
/r/seduction16/10/16 02:07 PM
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My brothers mate lost his at about 36! (too a very young girl) The worst thing is that he is a normal looking guy and he's also really fucking funny and stuff. (Although I think he has anxiety issues according to my bro). You'd NEVER have guessed he was a virgin if you didn't know! He's kind of 'fun' and even cheeky and sarcastic etc. Kind of confident around his social group. You'd think he gets laid. Scary how easy it seems to get absolutely no action!
/r/seduction15/10/16 09:07 PM
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I'm jelly!!! Tinder appears to be so much easier to get laid than cold approach, BUT YOU NEED MATCHES!!!! I get fuck all, lol. I'm assuming you're a good looking mofo?
/r/seduction15/10/16 07:01 PM
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Not necessarily! I was just saying that if someone is stupidly handsome, you'll basically NEVER hear a girl say he is 'creepy' no matter how he behaves. If he is all shy and weird (but looks like a male model) they'll say he is 'mysterious and sexy' In your case, I obviously have no idea. It could well be that your behaviour seemed a bit over-keen and pushy? I don't know, bro. Don't sweat it too much. Plenty more fish in the sea...
/r/seduction12/10/16 10:35 PM
0

We are all the prize!! Even me, and I'm short and ugly! :)
/r/seduction12/10/16 06:20 PM
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60 years of challenge says you are supposed to be creepy! Personally, I don't think I buy that, though. In general, being handsome as fuck means that it's almost impossible to be creepy. 'Creepy' is kind of a buzz-word girls use for when they don't find you attractive, nowadays.
/r/seduction12/10/16 06:19 PM
1

I think it IS a shit test of sorts, in fairness. She's just being rude on purpose and knows that if she just barely replies or ignores you, guys will just give up and walk away. A little bit like when they say 'I've got a boyfriend' (even if they haven't) after you introduce yourself. I mean, it's not as if you done anything wrong. Is one supposed to start juggling bottles or something when they approach a girl so as not to 'bore' her? (as if she wasn't bored before you even approached her) Soun…
/r/seduction12/10/16 08:26 AM
2

how did the conversation go with the girl in the street who you took back to your place? (open, then what was said etc) He told me I am too quirky, too high energy. What? I mean I just did what this other guy a day before did. I'm not sure there's really a right way or a wrong way? Look at infield footage, and most of the pickup guys have COMPLETELY different vibes/personalities etc. Some kind of crazy and high energy, and some all slow and boring and calm, but kind of mysterious. I guess some g…
/r/seduction08/10/16 04:13 PM
1

But that neediness, if that's the issue, is going to creep into another area and cause a different issue somewhere else. So address your mindset. Make sure you're going to a venue where you legitimately enjoy the venue for what it is, without meeting a girl. Hey. Just seen this. Yes, it's horrible to admit, but I can only assume that I must give off some sort of neediness which creeps the girl out. I know this certainly isn't always the case, but I can think of an interaction I had a few nights …
/r/seduction07/10/16 07:55 PM
1

I'm literally gonna experiment with the idea that what you say doesn't matter on my next approach to test this theory! I'll just talk about what I had for dinner or something when the conversation gets dry. But i'll try to say it 'seductively' I'll let you know how I get on! Could be funny
/r/seduction06/10/16 01:50 PM
1

If, as you say, we're dealing with a guy who makes people feel that he's "creepy" before he even opens his mouth I really hope that's not the case as that'd make me feel awful/sub-normal, but lets assume the worst for now and assume that this is what is happening. Somehow, I am creeping them out straight away. Would this be a case of improving body language somehow? Changing eye contact? Them sorts of things?
/r/seduction06/10/16 07:53 AM
1

I wonder about this? I mean, even in some infield vids, i'm thinking 'exactly where is the 'game'?!!'' There's no push/pull. No teasing. Not much in the way of spiking. etc etc - Just a conversation and then a number or a makeout. How many of these ideas are really necessary?
/r/seduction05/10/16 01:43 PM
4

what were them things you made fun of her over?
/r/seduction05/10/16 01:28 PM
1

What do you say/talk about after you approach. What sort of things do you say/talk about/ask etc?
/r/seduction05/10/16 08:57 AM
1

What is your style of opening? Where are you meeting women? How do you come up with things to talk about in that initial conversation? What country are you in and what country are you from? What's the cultural background of your family? (What country is your family from?) How does she usually react at every stage? At the opening? During the conversation? How are you deciding when to number close? How do you do it? My style of opening is usually to comment on something about them that I notice, s…
/r/seduction05/10/16 08:35 AM
1

You need to make the conversation interesting somehow and stimulate her emotions. So what do you say after the open to achieve this? Tell her a joke youe heard or something?
/r/seduction05/10/16 08:23 AM
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Now go out and game But your post suggests that there is no game? (If nothing you say or what you do matters)
/r/seduction04/10/16 10:37 PM
1

interesting, as that is almost exactly the sort of thing I was looking too experiment with. I know that seddit seems very against routines etc, and see's them as unnecessary, but I'm just getting nowhere with this stuff, and it's starting to get me down after a few hundred approaches where typically, after opeining and then asking a few questions and making assumptions, she is clearly not interested. I was thinking about working on a few funny, fake stories that I can shoe horn into her typical …
/r/seduction04/10/16 07:32 PM
1

was just an idea. I've already let it go. Just that I thought it might get her to possibly open up instead of just what usually happens which is she just walks away from me.
/r/seduction04/10/16 06:44 PM
1

OK. Thought as much. I'll stick with what i'm doing now and just tell them it was nice to meet them (after our 6 second interaction lol)
/r/seduction04/10/16 04:43 PM
1

I don't think you done anything wrong! Sounds like she just didn't want to talk to you. Short answers and never adding to the convo. I don't think you can 'game' a girl into finding you attractive.
/r/seduction03/10/16 08:09 PM
1

Eastern European girls are so friendly and laugh at everything! (especially if you are from the US or UK) Try this in the UK on English girls, lol
/r/seduction03/10/16 07:53 PM
1

Like I said, I actually approach a fair bit - Just because i've read all the game books, it doesn't stop there. I actually go out and approach girls, but it usually goes nowhere after a minute or two. I am already in good shape. I have hobbies - music - i play guitar and piano. I play football.
/r/seduction03/10/16 07:56 AM
2

Easier said than done, unfortunately. I got laid about 5 months ago, but that was after like a 3 year 'dry spell'. I expect i'll go another 3-4 years until my next lay, based on experience!! They just are not interested in me, lol. I approach a fair bit and have read all the 'game' books
/r/seduction02/10/16 10:20 PM
2

transition: starting a normal conversation. I struggle to make it last for any amount of time, once i've asked her what she is doing tonight and who she is with and her name/age, i'm kind of out of ammo (can't ask 'where are you from' as i live in a small town where everyone is from here) I suck as basic conversation with strangers. I can't jump straight into asking her about her hobbiest and stuff if she's literally just been speaking to me for 2 minutes with very short replies to the questions…
/r/seduction02/10/16 02:27 PM
1

Just use Tinder. ha :) - that really doesn't work for lots of us. 1 match in 200 swipe crew checking in!, lol)
/r/seduction02/10/16 09:53 AM
2

''that's awesome! High 5''- and then carry on talking to her. Or maybe, ''She told me she was single! haha - i'm only kidding. We're just talking'' That's probably what i'd say, but then I don't know what the correct answer is in terms of 'game'
/r/seduction02/10/16 09:00 AM
1

lol, glad you enjoyed it. I imagine it's more fun to read about the brutal rejections though, of which i've had my fair share :) Have you been paying attention to your body language? Are you outcome independent? It's not something i'm THAT consciously aware of if i'm honest. I mean, I try to keep good eye contact and try not to fidget or look to 'closed' (so, arms by my side for example) Am I outcome independent? Not sure. I mean, I think deep down, everyone is outcome dependent to some extent. …
/r/seduction01/10/16 05:54 PM
2

I kind of think it's really hard to NOT be boring if the girl just isn't interested in you and isn't giving you anything back. I had some good interactions last night with a few fat girls who I was just chatting with outside, and they were kind of talkative and bubbly, and it gave me opportunities to show a more fun side. But then after that, I saw this gorgeous girl. Looked about 18. She had on like a fur jacket. I went over to her and said ''Hey. I like your jacket! Is it real, though?! We can…
/r/seduction01/10/16 09:49 AM
1

uh, I know how you feel! I hate my smile, too. It's not so much my teeth, but more the position of the bones/muscles etc make my face look really fat when I smile, even though I am very lean indeed! Basically, all the further fat loss in the world woudn't give me that 'chiseled' look. I imagine it's a combination of slightly recessed jaws and maybe a slightly small chin. I really don't like my face, but surgery would set me back about 60k, plus 2 years in braces and months of harsh recovery etc.…
/r/seduction30/09/16 09:21 AM
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My other friend has slayed it with what he says over 100 girls but the thing is, he isn't necessarily attractive, but I've seen him do it and quite often they are attractive girls he has pulled. This is the guy you wanna learn from! I'm jealous. Where abouts do you live?
/r/seduction29/09/16 10:23 AM
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Nah, I felt comfortable enough doing it. In fact, I was really confident, because I was pumped from reading the book. you were creepy Yes. Re-read his book. He says it's supposed to be creepy, lol!
/r/seduction28/09/16 09:08 PM
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How many numbers did you get? And were these cold approaches on strangers? day game? I think from cold approach, you should expect that lots of the numbers will flake on you. Maybe expect to hear from like 1 in 8 or something at a guess? (from my research over at various pickup forums) On the goodlookingloser forum, people seem to get laid from like 1 every 150 approaches or so! (but some of them guys make about 50 per day!)
/r/seduction28/09/16 08:17 PM
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I respectfully disagree. I read that book and it messed me up a bit! He actually WANTS to be creepy! He literally says that. Whereas as far as i'm concerned, 'creepy' is one of the few things you really DON'T want to be considered when talking to a girl! I tried his 'holding the hand until they pull away' thing, and it always made the girls look uncomfortable. And the 'blank' expression he suggests etc. It's all just a bit weird in my opinion. I kind of think it could work for certain people in …
/r/seduction28/09/16 08:12 PM
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You're lucky to know someone who slays it who you can maybe learn from. What is his general method? How old is he? Looks? Pretty much all of my friends who slayed just look like male models and actually had zero game, and so I really could never learn anything from them! Girls approached them/picked THEM up! My 'normal' looking friends who slayed ran serious social circle game. I've basically never in my life met a 'normal' looking guy who can slay with cold approach, but it'd be great to meet s…
/r/seduction28/09/16 12:18 PM
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interesting. thanks
/r/seduction28/09/16 10:00 AM
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I never really know where i'm going wrong (or right for that matter) since what works with one girl doesn't work on the next! Makes it almost impossible to learn. However, I would personally say my issues are. 1/ Struggling as to what to talk abot/say soon after the open. If there's nothing glaringly interesting about the girl, it's difficult to start making assumptions, and if i ask their name and where they arE going that night, I very soon can't think of what else to ask them or what to say 2…
/r/seduction20/09/16 04:36 PM
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I kind of agree in some respect. My personal view is that 'game' does exist, but it's really more about not behaving in a way that turns girls off, like being super needy, or being unable to look them in the eye due to nerves etc. But in a way, I don't think that one needs a book to tell them this, and even if they do, i'm not sure a book can help! As for a 'horrible life' in the case of teh GLL guys, I don't really know. Lots of the guys seem to be in their early 20's and have had sex with 50-1…
/r/seduction20/09/16 01:39 PM
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you sound a lot better looking than me. I do seem to get some attentions from girls in real life, and sometimes girls look at me, and i've been told i'm good looking before (which always makes me laugh because i'm short and I don't like my face) HOWEVER, online, I get NOTHING!!! I could use all my swipes on tinder for a month straight and be lucky to get one match who will then ignore me. Same on plenty of fish and OK cupid. I've sent maybe 60 messages and no replies!!. heart breaking, since it …
/r/seduction20/09/16 11:54 AM
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they are correct that if you all want is just to get laid, even with an attractive girl, then all you need to do is talk to girls and ask them out. There's really no skill too it But then, is there really such thing as 'game'? I had a one-night -stand a while ago, and was proud of myself initially, thinking it was down to my 'game' - but I kind of realise now that she simply thought that I was hot, and that was it! Similarly, sometimes i'll go out and approach loads of girls and get rejected and…
/r/seduction20/09/16 11:15 AM
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An issue I have is that I often don't get the chance to show my fun side unless we have been talking for a while, but typically, they reject me too early for me to show that fun side. It's hard to be fun off the bat in my experience. Maybe i'm doing something wrong, but If I open by just saying 'hi' or whatever, and then ask what they are up too or something, and they either reject me or just give me a boring answer, I'm kind of out in the cold, struggling to think of something 'fun' to say
/r/seduction19/09/16 10:47 PM
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How'd you meet the girls? tinder? And what do you talk about on dates? I've never had a date in my whole life (although i'm nor a virgin). How would you being it? Like 'so, tell me about yourself?'' - that would sound like a job interview. I wonder how to make it kind of fun from the off
/r/seduction16/09/16 01:35 PM
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What do yuo guys think of this article I just found?? I'm hoping it's not true! http://theformerfatkid.net/why-game-doesnt-matter-unless-youre-good-looking-part-two/
/r/seduction15/09/16 07:52 PM
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Why? In any case, night time at bars...... I think there are other options for you Well, I guess it doesn't have to be bars, but I literally see zero girls in the day time, as I work with all men. We pretty much stay 'on site' all day, even for our lunch break. Unless she's not into it. Which you can't do anything about. Whilst i'm sure that I could be a better conversationalist, I feel as though this is part of the problem. If someone is giving you very short answers, it becomes essential to st…
/r/seduction15/09/16 03:21 PM
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Good question, but it's not as easy as that in my experience. A while ago I approached a group of girls sitting at a table, and decided it would be best to come in with high energy, I smiled, and said ''Hey guys! You look like you're having fun!'' (opener from rooshes book) They couldn't have been less receptive or more rude, and it was a very awkward interaction. Now, you could come back from that and say ''Damn! NEVER smile when approaching....or never tell a group of girls that they look like…
/r/seduction15/09/16 03:02 PM
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i can conclude your problem is you have no clue how to move an interaction forward because you said it "fizzles out after a while". So tell me: I'd say Kino? And Trying to ask deeper questions about her? Learn how to interact effectively. Kind of vague, but how should one interact effectively?
/r/seduction15/09/16 02:14 PM
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What are your dating goals? What do you want? A serious relationship? Casual encounters? 100% casual encounters. I want to sleep with more girls. I am not a virgin, but I feel like one, as i'm now 30 and have only had sex with 3 girls. Why did you stop before? I was just not getting anywhere. Felt like banging my head against a brick wall. I decided to concentrate on 'me' (other had advised me that the girls fall into your lap when you stop trying and start spending time on yourself and trying t…
/r/seduction15/09/16 01:56 PM
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