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Here's the annoucement from rps: https://np.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/4db4ei/the_direction_of_rpw/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 02:00 PM
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Oh, this is fucking rich. Changed a great deal in tone, that's the problem. Golly gee, if TRP was only nicer to girls, it'd be all better. This exactly. I spoke with the trp mods on IRC, and the real problem was that RPW mods were removing facts that made them upset. It was feels before reals all over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 04:45 PM
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populated by beta/ And that's exactly why women don't understand TRP. If it were full of natural alphas, they wouldn't need advice. But to women, they just see a man learning the process and assume he's not a man because he's not a natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 04:43 PM
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Our ability to moderate the community was in the process of being directly and significantly altered. "Banning as usual" was not an option. That combined with a few other things were some of the most significant reasons that prompted us to leave, as a team and start over. Essentially, the girls didn't like being told what to do. They're strong and independent and don't need no man!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 04:40 PM
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LOL RPW had a collective temper tantrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 04:38 PM
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There's no draft parade, but there's a slut walk.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 04:52 PM
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Whenever somebody says "feminists should support a female draft or they're not for equality." the instant response is always, "we support aboloshing the draft for both genders, therefore we are for equality." It's crocodile tears. Like saying a majority of workplace deaths are men. "Well, we sure hope hard jobs stop being demanding so men stop dying" rather than "good point, women aren't doing hard jobs." It doesn't check out in a real world. But then, I think that's red pill's perspective, is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 04:28 PM
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I'll say this again, take two men and they will differ far more than will the average man and the average women. Okay, well let's see. Two men have dicks, no tits, more mood-altering testosterone. Both experience the dating game as male, as well as being raised as male. They have different hobbies and are 3 inches apart. Average woman has far less testosterone, is on average 7 inches shorter than the average man, has a vagina and tits, she may also have different hobbies than a man, and experien…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 01:37 PM
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Child welfare does not equal bodily autonomy. Would you say being imprisoned affects bodily autonomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/16 05:50 PM
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So are you implying that it's 50/50 men:women in the approach category?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 04:59 PM
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It's socially taboo to at that age to talk about "how to attract women" in any real detail, except with close friends. It's socially taboo to do it at any age. For example, see TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 04:58 PM
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That's probably the best point here. It's leading with the wierd details. The Government is after a fugitive that uses DIAL(tm) SOAP! ...for a terrorist attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 03:20 PM
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That's an easy one: If clothes were simply to cover your naughty bits, we'd all wear sheets. So, yes, certain styles have different purposes.. (suit for professional environments, cool hat to blend in to a gang, etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 03:14 PM
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Yeah that's not disapproval, that's surprise because it never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 03:08 PM
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No idea, I never heard the reason. Anybody know?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 04:23 PM
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It's convenient to blame the boogie man for all her troubles in the same way some conservatives think that all of our problems are caused by Muslims. Doesn't make it intellectually sound reasoning, and certainly doesn't prove anything. She's either real, and mis-attributing this dude's actions to a subreddit, or she's a troll trying to discredit TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 04:21 PM
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forgive yourself Are you implying that I've done something wrong? That sounds awfully like religious dogma that insists we're all inherently faulty and are in need of forgiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 03:00 PM
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There's a difference here that you're missing. In the classroom scenario, ultimately if the child doesn't behave, he can send them to detention or eventually kicked out of the class. If we didn't enforce that, the kid would just keep on chatting. And maybe he'll get other kids to start chatting with him. And maybe those kids will realize that the teacher isn't enforcing any rules, so they decide they can talk about whatever they want. So, uh yeah, it's exactly that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 02:58 PM
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Never before has the level of cultishness in TRP been so apparent to me. So where do you draw the line? Let's say instead of discussion of red pill theory as it stands, the front page is replaced entirely with posts that say "the red pill is false, here's why." Do you think that benefits the red pill? Would that benefit any sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 02:56 PM
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RPS was banned from PPD. Paging PPD mods?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 02:52 PM
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If Frame control is solid, why would anyone succeed in watering the community's collective philosophy down? If Math is solid, why would discussing philosophy in math class water it down?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:12 PM
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Sometimes the best way to see clearly is to clear the smoke.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:09 PM
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But the only way that can work is if TRP is weak in the first place. Which ostensibly it's not. Right, and since it's not weak, they don't even let the trolls get their foot in the door. In essence, it's exactly what you're saying- men who don't put up with bullshit. Except they're so good at it, they ban you instantly rather than put up with your bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:08 PM
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Women are biologically more likely to contract STDs, simply because the vagina is more prone to infection than the penis. There goes the men and women are equal theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 04:12 PM
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Most women who ride the CC want COMMITMENT from the males they bang, its just that they can't get it. Not just can't get it- pick guys who are most unlikely to give it. (ie that hot guy on spring break). You don't have to have a high number to be on the CC. Like my spring break example, you could literally only jump on once a year on vacation, rack up only 4 guys (1 a year at college), and still be a carousel rider.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 04:09 PM
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So after listing a bunch of actionable items that TRP suggests to try, you follow with typical blue pill advice: being mentally healthy Which, like all blue pill advice, lacks any actionable advice, and lacks any real definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 04:02 PM
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It completely contradicts the idea that women are submissive in nature, which is a key tenet of TRP. It's not that women are always submissive- it's that women want to be submissive. And they'll test men to see if their men will be dominant. The way to do that is challenge their frame- by not being submissive. You seem to know very little about TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 06:25 PM
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I'll take the first example I found (because the thread is long) Women are given pretty much anything they want if they ask for it, so they ask for a lot more to the point of only wanting the best. Women get free rides more than men because men want to have sex with women and are desperate to please them. That's a no-brainer. Ever heard the ol' trope where women would buy guys a drink for a chance at fucking them? No?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:41 PM
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I don't know anybody who makes romance and sexual decisions based on concrete fact. So what's your alternative? Act randomly because you can't possibly take an educated guess how to navigate the sexual market?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:39 PM
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You can't make a generalization that has nuance for individuals. The generalization has to be general by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:31 PM
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I wouldn't say it's that- but what kind of straight dope do you expect from a debate sub.. where the main mod of TRP is banned from discussion. Did you think you'd get a real picture?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:26 PM
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The userbase on TRP is distorting these things? Or the idiots who come over here and apologize?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:25 PM
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So what you're saying is, it's okay for detractors to read a title, and construe "women want to be raped" as "men should rape women." And then claim to be experts on the subject to denounce the entirety of TRP. I mean, you can't just start calling the walls shit when you don't read more than titles.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:23 PM
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You: Go to any thread where Red Pillers are talking, and replace the term "women" with the term "blacks" or "Jews" and you'll realize how bigoted you guys sound. Me: But what if a statement about blacks is true. You: Well you have to consider the context, it's nuanced. Me: Ok, so consider the context of TRP, it's naunced. You: No, I make an illogical exception at this point, that's just bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:17 PM
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Point is you can't argue "oh we didn't really mean it like that" when he states very clearly that he did. That didn't say "We should rape women" it was "women want to be raped" and then he explained below. You can make excuses for laziness or poor reading comprehension, but it doesn't really excuse anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:13 PM
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No, you're right- totally ignoring nuance brings you to a misinformed opinion. Because when you ignore the nuance, you'd think my statement on black people was bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:09 PM
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So are you just not going to read or, what's the next step on this one?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:07 PM
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Maybe you should talk to somebody with some clout. Anybody can slap on a RP tag and lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:06 PM
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It's almost like two different people have two different views on marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:06 PM
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What if I said that blacks commit more crimes homicides than whites. Is that bigoted? What if it's true. (hint, it's true). Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 04:47 PM
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That accusation keeps taking place, that they change their narrative. I hear it a lot. You know why it happens? Because blue pillers accuse red pillers of a strawman version of TRP. And when a red piller clarifies with reality, blue pillers automatically assume that red pillers are just shifting their standpoint. Because BPers are incapable of accepting they had the ideology wrong in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 04:46 PM
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isn't exactly unfounded. But it is. Choice quotes, emphasis mine: it's the irreconcilable notion that women are extremely aroused at the thought of being able to make a high value man so lustful that he loses control and has to have her. Aside from obvious cases of drugging someone or having sex with the unconscious (for the feminazi retards: No one here condones these instances of legitimate rape) If you're already sexually active with a woman, discuss the concept of a safeword. Whoops, looks l…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 04:45 PM
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So having consensual sexual relations without rewarding a woman with some form of payment is considered "using?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 04:23 PM
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I can pick out a number of reasons I wouldn't want you posting to TRP. The idea that spinning plates for a lifetime is "alpha" I find preposterous and blue pill as fuck. First of all, you use the term "alpha" incorrectly here. Spinning plates is a strategy, one of many. Having alpha traits will help you with this strategy. The strategy in itself is not alpha. You continue by lambasting the strategy as "blue pill as fuck." Which means you know close to nothing about the strategy or why we use the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 08:11 PM
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It's stickied on TRP but I don't know if I'm allowed to link here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:32 PM
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It's stickied on TRP but I don't know if I'm allowed to link here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:32 PM
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It's a pledge to get rid of vices for a month. It's stickied on TRP but I don't know if I'm allowed to link here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:31 PM
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She's cute. I'd hit it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 05:50 PM
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Custom dictates that women don't approach. Is it the same custom that makes women successful porn stars and prostitutes, and men good customers?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 06:40 PM
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If women are not selective, then we would see ease of access to sex to be equal between the genders. Yet, we see a self-help industry to help men get laid, no parallel for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 06:54 PM
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They might understand superficially what it means and disagree with the premise. But then they take it one step further and try to disprove the original premise with a faulty analogy. (pencil sharpener analogy), which doesn't fit the original premise, nor does it provide a proof against the initial premise, and is therefore completely superfluous. Proving that they did not understand the original purpose of analogies to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 06:40 PM
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Imagine we're at a restaurant talking about furniture, and you had a hard time imagining how a set of chairs would fit into a livingroom, so I used some straws, salt shakers and a napkin to demonstrate how they'd fit... That would be a parallel, or a visual analogy. Since salt shakers aren't actually chairs, it helps you understand how it fits together. You can't attack my plan by saying that salt shakers aren't chairs, because that doesn't make any sense. And that right there was an analogy of …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 06:32 PM
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In order to agree that one side is a lock and one side is a key, you must first accept one gender as the selective gender. Here is my writeup on this: /r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3pnyo7/cmv_women_are_the_selective_gender/
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 06:22 PM
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So you don't understand analogies. The original analogy (lock and key) is to give another perspective to the original point- that women guard sex and men give freely. If a man were to guard and start saying no to the few offers for sex he gets (as if most men get any at all), he may find himself without ever having sex. So a key that doesn't open any locks is pretty useless. Coming up with an analogy to try to discredit the original analogy fails to fundamentally understand the purpose of analog…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 06:13 PM
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Agreed, number two was written wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 06:10 PM
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I'm not so sure they do understand analogies. And I don't think this vocab test really proves one way or another (it is a vocabulary test, not an analogy test). The other day I watched an argument between two people on "Plate" theory. They were disagreeing with calling women plates. It was explained that plate was simply a label to signify that the man was using plate strategy and that she was one of many mates, shortened to plate. They said "but that seems dehumanizing.." It was explained why t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 06:08 PM
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I think it's more about $$$ than anything else. This is why you see them trying to sell books or shirts, etc. How much money do you think redpillschool is making off this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 08:30 PM
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We already sell our bodies for money every day when we go to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 02:39 PM
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Every male civilian registers for the selective service.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 09:57 PM
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And they got it before 18-21 year old men dying for country did. Why is more oppressed? The person living or sent to die against their will?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 09:56 PM
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In her eyes, what others think and see about me matters almost more to her than what she thinks and see about me. So if I look like less of a man to others for letting her wear the pants and hyphenate our last name, then I look like less of man to her. And that's the test. To see if I'd really put up with such inane bullshit. Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 08:08 PM
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Ever since suffragettes were pushing for the vote before men dying in war got it- they've always been special treatment feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 08:07 PM
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She won't respect me if I failed that shit test. Ain't no way, ain't no how.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 11:29 PM
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To a blooper, talking to other women is direct abuse to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 08:55 PM
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Indeed, if the OP spent even a few minutes reading the sidebar, they'd see rollo's description of AF/BB, which indicates that women prefer the jackpot- both in the same person. Which is why they try to betatize alpha men they catch.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 08:44 PM
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I'd be just fine with anybody who signs up for the selective service can vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 01:54 PM
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Women don't die in the wars that the politicians start.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 03:43 AM
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This kind of shit would get you banned in TRP so fast your empty head would spin. I'm not sure that's a good thing. If you could just bring up concern in the name of helping the sub, all the trolls would do it to derail. It's an all or nothing scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 03:40 AM
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Seriously gone off the rails. Not really. During the first year, one of the mods thought marital rape didn't exist, and RPS doesn't think women should vote. You can say it's extreme, but you can't claim it's gotten more extreme. Also gaylube isn't a mod.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 03:38 AM
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you are assuming a risk taking woman must be a slut No I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 07:08 PM
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They don't have to cheat on you to allow their risk seeking behavior to get them into trouble. Drugs, diseases, and of course, getting bored if you're not giving them enough tingles- because they're so used to getting bars full of dudes to validate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 06:37 PM
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They demonstrate risk/thrill seeking behavior most associated with promiscuity. Even if it doesn't mean you're actually a slut, it communicates that you are, and that's a turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 02:32 PM
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It's hilarious that you think it was taken over by tradcons. The landscape on TRP actually hasn't changed much, and I've been there since the early days.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 04:42 PM
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It's not because TRP hates swingers or alternative life styles. It's because in most of our experiences, women are hypergamous and tend to find that attraction to a new person coincides with a loss of attraction for another. I'm not saying it can't work, I'm saying you couldn't pay me to take those odds.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 04:39 PM
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That's assuming that they're being logical and somewhat Machiavellian. The truth may be scarier than you think. These SJWs may actually believe that defending liberal ideals and equality and safe spaces are a sound business decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/15 02:52 PM
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Not at all a problem. Alpha fucks and beta bucks. They wanted both, and they found it in one man. Every woman dreams of finding a man who will satisfy their beta needs without losing the alpha fucks side. Many women get it from two guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 04:19 PM
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Whether or not you agree with TRP, I think rps has a good point on censorship he posted here. Would bloopers actually want a reddit without trp?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/15 02:31 PM
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ultimately in some way at the expense of women. It's been said many times over- sexual strategy is a zero sum game.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/15 02:30 PM
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I'm sorry I'm just reading the letter of the law. Is there some spirit lost in translation? Please do enlighten me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 02:58 PM
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Oh my bad- it's actually worse: A person who commits an offence against this section is liable on conviction to,— (a) in the case of a natural person, imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or a fine not exceeding $50,000:
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 02:57 PM
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Yes, true- let's see: harm means serious emotional distress individual means a natural person So an individual just happens upon a comment that says "all women are children." She happens to think that's distressing, and becomes emotional about it. Did we violate a prong of this law? Principle 3 A digital communication should not be grossly offensive to a reasonable person in the position of the affected individual. Yes, we did. Jail time!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 02:55 PM
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Oh, yes there is, if there just happens to be an individual who is offended by it. in the case of a natural person, imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding $5,000:
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 02:50 PM
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Here's an article on it http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/01/nz_swings_banhammer_at_trolls/ And the text: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2013/0168/latest/whole.html?search=ts_act%40bill%40regulation%40deemedreg_digital_resel_25_a&p=1#DLM5711810
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 02:49 PM
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I mean, you don't know one of the biggest accomplishments of the feminist movement, so, no, you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 10:28 PM
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There is no equality until women are dying at the same rate as men on the job. I will strive for equality until more women start dying.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 06:04 PM
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dismantling traditional gender roles What if I like being traditionally masculine? Am I allowed to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 06:03 PM
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What you're saying is, you don't know much about feminism, so you're mistaken in believing that feminism helps men. This model, developed by feminists based on feminist theory, directly and provably has a negative affect on men. Not only men, but male victims are being hauled off to jail.. even when the victim is the one who called the police in the first place!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 05:58 PM
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According to the Duluth Model, "women and children are vulnerable to violence because of their unequal social, economic, and political status in society." Thus, when there's a dispute, police are to take away the male, regardless of who the aggressor is. Whoops, feminism helps men too, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 05:33 PM
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Men are arrested more frequently for domestic violence because traditional gender roles suggest women are less capable of violence than men. Feminism seeks and end to these kinds of gender role definitions and the resulting legal problems that come from them. On the contrary, feminism came up with the duluth model.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 05:26 PM
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Heck, you could even say that ignoring the fact that there are negative attitudes towards men.. is a negative attitude towards men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 05:25 PM
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Sexism is when I treat a woman with no female-bonus like I'd treat any dude on the street, and she gets pissed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 05:10 PM
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You're just a quote mine. Brilliant stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 04:47 PM
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No, because it's missing the "and divorce them and take all their money" component.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 04:29 PM
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There's nothing wrong with a working career woman. It's only when she thinks she'll score the man of her choice that she is ridiculed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 03:47 PM
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I wouldn't get married. Bad question.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 03:46 PM
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If a woman wants to work on her attractiveness, she can temper her attitude, learn to be pleasant instead of combative (which is what most western women are like these days), work out and eat healthy, learn to put on makeup and maybe learn to cook.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 03:46 PM
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You don't have to make a life long commitment. You can go have a career.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 03:44 PM
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Sounds to me like somebody didn't like the "or worse" part of those vows.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 03:08 PM
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In my experience over the last few years- blue pillers are completely incapable of understanding analogies. They truly believe that disproving an analogy also disproves it's parallel meaning. It's like the school system failed them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 02:49 PM
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Hate alimony, don't care for career oriented women. Sounds like we hate all options women have. Or wait, what's the third option? Don't divorce your husband? Seems easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 02:46 PM
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No, I think that's about making your wallet look better than is is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 04:08 PM
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Oh, no, it's political alright. Here's you, talking about a scenario that asserts that people literally lose their free will to make decisions when somebody's being a meanie-head. That is literally a belief held by nanny-state leftists who want somebody else to blame when they fail. As a right-wing libertarian, I understand I've got nobody to blame but myself if I stick around a jerk. NOBODY. It's entirely political if you think that's science.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 05:00 PM
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Abusive relationships remove agency. Why do you think people in abusive relationships stick around despite being miserable? It's because they feel like they don't have a choice. Of course they do have a choice, but they feel like they don't have a choice. Only in crazy liberal land where you literally believe that bs. In my world, you control you and nothing else. Unless somebody holds a gun to your head and says "you cannot move" then you've got agency my friend. Being afraid of being alone or …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 04:48 PM
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If I offer sex and a woman takes me up on the offer, and we do it, but I had malice in my heart, did I trick her? If I didn't have malice but it had the same outcome, is that wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 06:18 PM
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Negging wasn't meant to be a relationship tool. Anybody who has had experience with a 7-10 club hottie bitch knows they need to be brought down a peg because they're totally bitches and will only get with a guy who plays ball.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 05:21 PM
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Mate, you're definitely implying that there's actually a way to "trick" women into sex, which requires women to be too stupid not to know better. Can you trick a guy into having sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 05:18 PM
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Adding to this - the reason why individualized advice will never work- why getting to know a girls personality before trying isn't a no-go is simple: Women don't wait to get to know you before saying no. Imagine how inequal that workload becomes for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/15 05:07 PM
1

It's definitely a pervasive idea on both sides, but it has been addressed a few times- http://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/23lega/doing_it_for_yourself_the_pervasive_hamster/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 02:25 PM
10

Very single time TRP is brought up outside of PPD and TRP, it's "bitter misogynists who can't get laid." They don't understand that they're perpetuating the very stereotypes they purport to be against.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/15 05:20 PM
1

LOL rape survivor.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/15 03:10 PM
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Almost every time an approach goes poorly (and girls are absolutely total bitches to guys they don't like)- "you've clearly never been laid." or "You have never been with a woman." Ironically, they say it like it's a bad thing- but what they're doing is demonstrating their preference for guys who get other girls, and assigning value to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/15 03:09 PM
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My point (the point you seem to have missed) is that "progress" as a term is meaningless except for those who define it. Hitler killed the Jews in the name of progress, much like I eat peanut butter in the name of progress. Sometimes resisting change is progress, and sometimes change itself is progress -- to certain people. So the question remains: Who ASKED "we" to "change" anything, who ASSIGNED micromanager busybodies like you the task? Add to is: And who decided you were the decider of what …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 06:20 PM
2

Convenient that those pushing for progress are also the ones that define it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 05:34 PM
1

Don't step in puddles is baseline if you want to stay dry. One could also call it a strategy for staying dry. Does that make something wrong with you? If you're doing all those things solely for the sake of finding a sexual partner.... there's probably something else wrong with you. So what you're saying is that if finding a mate isn't instant and easy, there's something wrong with you? That's quite the leap there...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 05:32 PM
1

Everybody's a snowflake and no generalizations can be found. Every single person has a unique preference. One person likes eating food with their mouth. The next person must be totally unique, can't use his mouth because that's been done. Right? Everybody's different?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/15 08:37 PM
1

"Have good hygiene, don't be an asshole, present uourself nicely in whatever style you want and don't be an asshole." That sounds like a strategy to me...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/15 08:30 PM
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Could you elaborate on what that means? A society in which men are presumed evil, wrong, or guilty by default, but women are considered good, right, or innocent by default. A society where qualities like aggression are considered faults, and recess is removed from the school day while primarily boys are medicated. A society where men are criticized as a matter of course, but any criticism of women (deserved or otherwise) is considered hatred of a gender and misogyny. A society where a majority o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/15 06:36 PM
5

No, but a good number of men who were sent overseas to die for our country got the right to vote in 1971.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/15 06:31 PM
12

Exactly, that was their last refuge.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 02:16 PM
0

Please find the quote for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 06:07 PM
1

Yes, find the quote please.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 06:07 PM
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Who defines anger?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 09:34 PM
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He's also just engaging in vicarious confirmation bias. For fuck's sake, this is the guy who approves of marital rape. This again? Where does it say he supports marital rape? There's no discernible evidence to believe that these saying and ideas are prevalent only among women or more prevalent among women than men. My question is, why do red pill guys experience women doing this so often? Does it matter if it's an equal behavior between men and women, as long as women prefer men who don't do it,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/15 09:31 PM
4

What's your theory on this phrase?
/r/TheRedPill22/01/15 07:25 PM
4

AKA why BP thinks RP is misogynistic. We're not. We believe in actual equality. It's funny because they really really can't see it. But we're just as harsh towards men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 04:05 PM
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Once made equal to man, woman becomes his superior. -Socrates
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 04:04 PM
2

Death is a social construct.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 04:03 PM
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As usual, a woman who doesn't care how you act (read: who you are), she's more concerned that you're the genuine thing, not somebody who had to learn a behavior. How you act is who you are, it's how you've chosen to interact with people. Let me clarify: acting egalitarian is indistinguishable from being egalitarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/15 04:01 PM
1

The phrases "I hate women" and "I'm glad not to say I hate women" both include the phrase "I hate women" but one is out of context.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/15 04:11 PM
0

I'm curious why /r/feminism is so resistant to weighing in on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/15 04:09 PM
-1

Sounds right up your alley.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 08:10 PM
1

Consider this: If anyone was succesful at predicting the outcome of relationships, divorces would be non-existent. If RPers could accurately predict the outcome of relationships, they wouldn't fear marriage. Most people (BP and RP) simply suck at predicting future events. Of course there's no 100% accurate prediction model. But surely you can cede that there might be something in between "nothing-is-knowable, everything-is-unpredictable" and "I-know-the-future"? I go out on dates and see if I am…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 07:06 PM
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I don't have a technique to predict the outcome of relationships. Surely you do more than just close your eyes and date every woman that comes across your path, until it fails for reasons that surprise you every single time. Or do you? That might actually be what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 06:55 PM
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He said that field reports aren't testing our hypotheses. How else do you expect us to compare results?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 06:52 PM
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No! Really?! I thought I was in a totally different sub, thanks! Yeah by the look of it, you've got no idea where you are, and what's going on. For the reference, anybody looking on, wondering what's happening, ianturpies here is completely ignoring questions that might lead to proving a point : http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2s4zt2/the_elephant_in_the_room_a_question_for_rpers_are/cnmlny6 You gotta try harder than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 05:35 PM
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Check it out- you're in a subreddit called purple pill debate where the point of debate is to argue the merits (or lack thereof) of the subreddit "theredpill." Since that's the topic of debate, the context of the debate is this: If you are arguing against the topic at hand (reminder for those having trouble following: the topic is the red pill), then you are taking the position of opposition to the red pill (that is, contrary to the red pill). So, in case you're wondering why you're being treate…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:59 PM
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If you take the contrarian position, don't be surprised that you're treated as opposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:48 PM
0

Why is recognizing something for what it is a "problem?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 03:48 PM
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You do you, God has there ever been a more useless phrase?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 03:48 PM
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But your complaint was on method, not content. Answer my question: Is it inherently wrong for men to compare notes? Yes or no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 03:46 PM
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Men want as much pussy as they can get. Women want as many provisions as they can get. When a man has multiple pussies, she can't get as many provisions. When a woman has multiple men, he can't be sure of his offspring. Therein lies the conflicting sexual strategies. You're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 03:40 PM
1

Why didn't you answer my question?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 03:32 PM
1

So any time a group of guys get together and talk about their experiences, it's completely useless information, and they should stop sharing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 03:23 PM
1

There's a difference between wanting sex and feeling that you are owed sex. And it's this pervasive attitude that alienates guys who can't get laid. Of course there's a "right" and "wrong" way. The problem is when all guys end up on the "wrong" way according to people like you, and the "right" way is just out of reach, for normal, totally well-adjusted virgins who can't get laid but are totally cool about it. Why can't you just be one of those guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 03:16 PM
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Field reports don't count as "testing". I don't see any reason why not. As a group that's how we share results.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 03:09 PM
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...and, and I hate the way they talk. They sound funny. And they look funny!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 02:29 PM
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If they remain happily married in ten years time, I'd be impressed The question isn't if they stay together, it's whether or not she's haaaapy, or whether or not she's eyeing other guys to fullfill her need for alpha fucks. Of course she's going to rationalize that this is the best sex she's ever had- part of the beta bucks stage is convincing oneself that this is what they always wanted. Of course there's another option- she found a sufficient alpha with beta qualities. She may actually be happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 05:23 PM
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alphabetmod, where's he at?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 07:37 PM
1

They broke 8 Million hits last month.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 07:34 PM
1

Also for the reference I'm pillicus. Not sure why I chose that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 05:17 PM
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servercentral.il.us.quakenet.org #ppd https://kiwiirc.com/client/servercentral.il.us.quakenet.org/ppd/servercentral.il.us.quakenet.org/ Use /mode nickname +X to hide hostname RPS made it for me but he has stepped down as OP so y'all can stop bitching now.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:46 PM
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I could tell them I have a career I don't really have, that my name is something that it's not, I could tell them that I'm ten years younger than I actually am, and tell them that I'm not sterile even though I've been snipped, and as long as I care, I'm not abusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 09:05 PM
1

So I could lie to them about anything, as long as I don't lie about liking them and fucking them, that's ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:59 PM
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What if I like somebody, tell them I like them, and have sex with them. But I haven't told them my favorite color is red, and they prefer blue. Have I lied to them via omission, and therefore abused them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:53 PM
1

What if you don't like them, but you haven't lied to them to say otherwise, and have sex. Is that abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:50 PM
1

So having sex with somebody you don't like is abusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:44 PM
1

But we have sex anyway. Was that abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:41 PM
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Let's say we met, went on a date. I decided I don't like you and don't care. Have I now abused you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:26 PM
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We'll call it /r/cutemalecorpses and mock how those necro-beards don't actually fuck dead women, they just look at them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:20 PM
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I don't care about you, am I now abusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:19 PM
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So women having sex with multiple men is abusive by nature as men are wired to want exclusive relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:15 PM
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CuteFemaleCorpses is worse. Somebody should start a mock-sub so that feminism can be consistent against misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 08:13 PM
1

Does the fact that the bullets being shot into human flesh can kill people make bullets immoral? We discuss gravity, fire, and water. What people do with it is up to them. They could just as easily do something you'd consider good or bad, but that doesn't make our discussion evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 06:36 PM
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Why do you say TRPers are immoral. I think trpers are moral. So now we're at an impasse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 06:34 PM
1

Who decides what is moral? Can something have moral value if there is no way to determine what is moral?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 06:33 PM
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Clearly rape is a strategy to get laid, and while it may violate some people's moral code, so do many of the other tactics discussed at TRP. How do you square this circle? Rape is illegal. Every time it's used, it increases your chances of getting put in prison or hurt. Therefore bad long-term strategy. Most agree that living by the social contract (don't violate other's free will, and they won't violate yours) is a good long term strategy. Many would include that organic attraction "feels" bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 06:27 PM
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My point is simple: physics is amoral. What you choose to do with physics might be considered moral or immoral, depending on your framework. TRP is physics. If I asked you this: Is building a bomb and using it to kill 100 people moral or immoral? How would you answer? What if I added that those 100 people were building a bomb each, preparing to kill 100,000 people? The morality of the subject is subjective. What if you were one of the 100 people making bombs, and you were about to die? Would you…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 04:36 PM
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I would venture that I've had sex with more women than most blue pillers. Most of these negative qualities I've learned about women are strictly from the experience I've gained, and that you can only gain from a woman after you've attracted them, and only with my sample size. If anything, it's blue pillers who are restricted in their perspective of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 04:29 PM
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women, like all humans, are capable of making choices based on long-term goals rather than short-term satisfaction in all situations of their life. They are able, yes. But red pillers believe that, like most other things, women are subject to market forces. So being able to do something, and doing it in practice are two entirely different things. The fact is, women can and do make short term decisions knowing that they will be well protected from long term consequences. Women can commit crimes i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 04:22 PM
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Is gravity really amoral? Think about it. Just yesterday a boy fell from a tall cliff, gravity bringing him to his death. Is fire really amoral? Somebody used fire last week to burn three women to death calling them witches! Is water really amoral? I heard that lots of people drown who don't even deserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/14 03:27 PM
3

Would you entertain the possibility that you're projecting your feelings on TRP men, and that they might not actually feel the way you believe they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/14 03:46 PM
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The discussion here is about the anger phase. Your problem with it is that men should take agency and do something about their failures. And here we have a group doing just that. Then you move the goal posts to say, "yes, but but but it's EEEEVILLL." Not to mention you're wrong in your assessment. teaching men that a woman's worst qualities and actions are representative of the whole population. It's like teaching somebody to drive on icy roads. Not every road is icy, and no road is icy in the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/14 03:16 PM
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how do you deal with girls (who like you) when you no longer like them? You reject them. But let's say for shits and giggles that he "friend zones" them, just so you can finish making your point. The fact still remains that women will still have more potential suitors approach them. A single rejection has less net effect, and women typically avoid scenarios where a hard rejection would take place. (I've been making eyes at him but he won't approach me!)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/14 03:12 PM
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Two, I had a shitty past relationship. Was not too bitter about what happened, despite how shitty it was. Just kinda put it in the past and moved on. There is no reason to be angry over stuff from the past when you are already better off in the present, imo. TRP fixates on their pasts too much, if anything. I find there are two different types of people in the world. Those who attempt to find patterns and learn from their pasts, and those who just bump around in life aimlessly hoping for differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/14 03:11 PM
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but have a little agency. You're responsible for your own life and your space on this planet If only there were a group helping teach men that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/14 02:54 PM
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From my Mom: "You're a great guy and any girl would be lucky to have you. Just keep trying." From my Sister: "You're trying to hard. Stop looking and you'll find the right one." No, it wasn't good. Where I live, there's a severe lack of young people- it's actually one of the biggest issues facing my place of residence, as the mean age of the population is increasing dramatically. The few jobs left here are mostly blue collar, and attract men, but not women, who tend to travel towards the city. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 06:23 PM
0

A small sacrifice in the short term for better long term results!
/r/MarriedRedPill23/12/14 03:19 AM
1

Have you tried just scooting up and sticking your dick in her mouth till she likes it?
/r/MarriedRedPill23/12/14 02:33 AM
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Hate to say it, mate, but this is nexting territory.
/r/MarriedRedPill23/12/14 02:16 AM
-2

You should gently steer him here by pushing him towards it. Try withdrawing sex until he gets fed up enough and leave trp open on his computer "accidentally"
/r/MarriedRedPill23/12/14 01:56 AM
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What I'd recommend at this point is just letting it fade. Maybe she'll forget the bet. You should't be at odds with your wife there. She's probably already checking out mentally. Maybe an apology is necessary.
/r/MarriedRedPill23/12/14 01:52 AM
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Did you notice after DBB decided not to address my point, and go straight for snark, I responded in kind? Act like a child, get treated like a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 09:57 PM
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My MIL is a tad controlling, but I always defer to her wisdom so that my wife knows that I am committed. It builds comfort, which is good. Obviously my wife knows that I'm the man of the house, and it is with this in mind that I allow her mother to call the shots, because everybody knows I allow it.
/r/MarriedRedPill22/12/14 08:51 PM
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Upvote for visibility, it's this exact mentality that men need to have. Always, always, make sure she knows this is how you feel. It will make sure you have a long marriage.
/r/MarriedRedPill22/12/14 08:49 PM
1

Good for you, mate Indeed, fantastic for me. I think this is a major step in the right direction for PPD. You may now change your user flair to red.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 06:29 PM
1

If you are not arguing that they are wrong in their consensus, then I consider this argument over, the winner being me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 06:19 PM
1

Imagine the intellectual dishonesty required to make the comparison you just made. Hell, I've seen holocaust deniers make similar comparisons. If your argument is that the act of agreeing makes us wrong, then it is you making the intellectually dishonest argument. No need to bring Hitler into this. I use the term "argument" loosely in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 06:07 PM
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Or they're too busy telling each other how right they must be because they all believe the same things. Imagine the crime of a people agreeing that the sky is blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 05:50 PM
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I guess you don't talk to many men outside trp. You've got a good point. Only the guys on theredpill speak rationally with well thought-out arguments and insightful commentary, absent the trademark passive aggressive mockery that you're so fond of. That is why I'm a member there. Carry on.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 05:45 PM
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If it comes down to having to hire a woman who will take maternity leave and expect me to deal with it, I'll hire a man. Fuck that noise.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 05:40 PM
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I'm curious why anyone would assume otherwise. You speak entirely in snark, I've never met a "man" like that before.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 05:16 PM
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You know I'm a man right? Did you think that'd improve my opinion of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 05:08 PM
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You've got mocking down, hun, but an argument is something I have yet to see from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 05:03 PM
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You mock as though you weren't afraid of the power men are gaining. But, you betray yourself by taking part in TBP and PPD, dedicating hours every day to this argument. If TRP was truly inconsequential, you'd ignore it. But something here is driving you to dislike it. There is a potential outcome here you fear coming true.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 04:48 PM
2

Ever see sex in the city, or the show "girls"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 04:46 PM
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it bothers me to think that my nephew would ever feel that having emotions or being kind and caring is 'weak' and makes him less of a man. The stress on more stringent gender roles isn't because we want to dehumanize men, or limit their expression of their emotions. It's because we learned that expressing the entire spectrum of emotions was disadvantageous and caused women not to be attracted. It's reactionary. We're not the ones doing the judging. We're adapting to how the world reacts.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 04:40 PM
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Your sidebar consists of sermons about irrationality of women, and that men should be better than people dependent on women. Sounds personal to me. "be the best you" in order to convince yourselves that would actually be the topic or even purpose of your ideology. The "best" us is somebody who understands RP and formulates an informed decision based on it. Some decide marriage, ltr, or plate spinning. Nobody's right or wrong, but many make a case for their own strategy. No convincing necessary, …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 09:45 PM
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That's sort of stupid. I would guess TRPers, but Blue Pillers probably have some experience LARPing, so.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 08:32 PM
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Oh, stop being precious. You know very well that people are reacting not only to what RPers say, but what they say they do, in other words, reported actions. Such as, less uncommonly than could be desired, raping women, or otherwise harassing/assaulting them. It's just such a tired argument to assume that people you disagree with must be evil in every way. So you don't like red pillers. That doesn't make them literally hitlers who rape everybody. The venting isn't rape, the venting doesn't lead …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 04:39 PM
1

PUA doesn't work on most women, otherwise there wouldn't be any emphasis on perseverance or how to overcome "last minute resistance". Nonsense. Most women give LMR as a psychological defense mechanism to protect their own ego from realizing they are being a slut. If it's spontaneous and not their fault, they don't have to reconcile that they've done it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 02:21 PM
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external attractivness and internal attractiveness That's just a nonsense rebranding. They want quality sperm, they want provisions. you are wrong about women seeking these traits separately. Simply put, I disagree with your assertion, as made obvious by the prevalence of the cock carousel riders and suckers who get married and are given no sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 09:08 PM
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Labeling what they are doing as "locker-room talk" doesn't suddenly mean everyone has to respect their opinion and put up with their shit. You don't have to put up with their shit because...if you don't like it, you can leave. Nobody asked you to be there. Showing up and telling them to stop is invading their space. Also, TRP is not a locker room. Just yesterday at my gym, a guy was commenting to his friend that the girl he saw on tinder was going out with him tonight. He asked "are you gonna gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 09:06 PM
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af+bb men are more attractive to women than af or bb men. Af+BB capitalizes on both areas of females schedules of mating. However, in order to be the "beta bucks" portion of that, you literally have to provide for a women. If your goal was to get your dick wet, you simply cannot be beta-bucks. And women are all too keen to search for alpha fucks separately anyway, so it doesn't seem to hurt guys' strategies too much. If a guy wants to start a family or enter a LTR he would be wise to embrace a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 08:55 PM
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This demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding on your part. Is she looking to secure alpha fucks, or beta bucks? If a woman is at present looking to secure beta provisioning, she may forego more attractive alphas for the short term (or long term). Her desire to swing to a new branch later down the road may be quelled by the level of alpha of her mate. If she's in alpha fucks mode, she certainly won't give a fuck about either of our pasts except for the preselection it may present.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 08:50 PM
2

They disabled direct linking, so, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 08:48 PM
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Most men don't want to be the beta bucks with a woman they're not interested in having a long term relationship with. It's the perogative of a man to decide whether he wants to appeal to either the alpha fucks or beta bucks side of a female's strategy. (or both). There's no inherent requirement to do both. The LTR group (and flair) recognize the place for beta in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 08:46 PM
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If I told a woman that I used to try to enter a relationship every woman I met, she'd be rightfull turned off. I wouldn't need to lie about my past. I didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 08:42 PM
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Yup. Schedules of mating. Women want alpha fucks and beta bucks. The best men would be both in one. It's in Rollo's year one writings.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 08:41 PM
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Indeed, the people here are especially adept at denying realities. Although the line has been moving steadily towards TRP's reality. For instance, when PPD started, I remember having the debate on whether or not women are actually the gatekeepers of sex. They would actually deny that sexual access is easier for women. So we're making progress. It's impossible for them to continue outright denial of red pill realities, because we're just describing what's happening out there. Sure we can argue ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 04:45 PM
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My plan is to find a LTR mate before I become too old to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 04:22 PM
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The problem with calling out red pillers is a fundamental failure to understand the sort of communication that is taking place. TRP doesn't purport to be a social movement recommending political or even widespread social change, instead it's a small personal philosophy movement recommending personal changes to best effect a favorable outcome. The communication that takes place gets called out as "misogynistic" or hateful, but these critics completely miss the point of having a place for men to v…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 04:15 PM
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It teaches you to value sex above everything else in life. I disagree, it teaches you that it's not wrong that you do value sex more than society deems appropriate. Being an incel virgin is extremely frustrating, and then we got pricks on their high horses saying "hey man, there's more to life than sex!!" Which makes them retreat even further, because of course they're obsessed with it, it's the missing link to them feeling fully human and accepted! It teaches men that a relationship without sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/14 05:38 PM
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all women as having "daddy issues" but, ya know, someone's got to take the high road. I don't think I've seen that as a common issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 04:20 PM
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I've been harassed, and it's at the point where I cannot use my TRP handle on other subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 04:17 PM
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This really is best-of material. I hope you don't mind I reposted this, with credit: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2ogmwi/whisper_on_marxism_and_the_origin_of/
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/14 02:41 PM
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Women lie? No wait, there's no point in challenging a victim's story, because they're victims and.. oh I just can't finish this
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 08:18 PM
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When somebody puts in the blood, sweat, and tears to become a success, they realize that everybody else wants that success without putting in the work. The contempt for others or "social justice" is due to the realization that yes you can accomplish great things if you put your mind to it, and no, life wasn't fair for you either, and that's why you put in so much work. The feminist mantra is "everybody else should do it." Whether it's avoiding bad feelings, or having to deal with responsibilitie…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 08:17 PM
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A better question is "why does MRA think TRP owes it shit?" They certainly aren't friendly to TRP, they shouldn't expect anything in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 08:15 PM
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/u/Those_Who_Remain
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 08:02 PM
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Instead of chasing your own sexual desires/wishes with no regard for the feelings of the other person (hence treating her as an object which has no wishes/feelings/desires), you treat her as a human being that is as complicated as yourself. If you believe that pickup, which is going out, attracting a woman, and bringing her back to have sex is somehow denying that the woman wants to have sex, you've got yourself a nice straw man version of objectification. Basically, what you're describing is ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:34 PM
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Being interested in holes before personality isn't a crime, either. It's actually pretty much male nature. Indeed, if we were to treat everybody the same above and before concerning ourselves with holes, would we not have to take men on dates too, before sadly telling them that we cannot continue the courtship due to a hole-mismatch? Obviously the prerequisite for straight males in mating would be the presence of at least one vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:26 PM
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And if you treat her as purely a series of fuckholes you stick your dick in, then you are objectifying her. If you treat them as a person and want to have sex with them, then you are not. So your options are, sex with personhood = good, sex without = bad. Not once mentioning what the hell "treat them like a person" means. So, yes, your argument is garbage. Let's move on. You should utilize some empathy for others and see whether your actions may be grossly misplaced. That's got to be a new level…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:24 PM
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Your dichotomy was "have sex" or "treat them like a person." Since "treat them like a person" is ill-defined and non-falsifiable, let's just say your initial argument was garbage and move on. Your new argument is that enjoying the aesthetic of somebody without regard for the person is now objectification. Can you define "regard" in this scenario? Should I worry about what they ate for lunch? Should I send them a christmas card? What if I don't know their name?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:18 PM
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If you treat them as a person This is the nonsense right here. "If you treat them as a person." I have sex with people. So fucking them in the pussy seems like it does not exclude treating them like people. Nor does exclusively having sex with somebody but not sharing in other activities preclude the treatment being one of "as a person." So, it's nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:10 PM
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Red Pill School had a good essay on objectification: http://puerarchy.com/2013/07/09/only-white-knights-women-and-feminists-objectify-women/ Excerpt: Let’s talk about agency, the opposite of being an object. This is important. I have agency. Tomorrow I can decide whether to go swimming, or read a book. It’s my choice. I have an active role in my future. Nobody can tell me what I can and cannot do. I am an agent. Feminists used to be pretty upset at the idea that anybody would objectify women. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/14 05:08 PM
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It all went wrong when feminism tried to retcon our history and tell us that women were systemically oppressed throughout all of history.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 07:35 PM
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We have twice as many female ancestors as male. It checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/14 02:39 PM
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And that is probably why you're on PPD, to discuss this. I was only correcting the usage of the terms red and blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 06:48 PM
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Just like all men may not be attracted to any given women or fall out of love with a woman. That's just being human. Yes, but TRP isn't about attracting men, surely you understand why our focus is on women. That assumes that every woman will do terrible things to you if she isn't attracted to you. What about the fact that a lot of people are good people and wouldn't hurt someone? Sometimes the terrible thing is simply the act of falling out of love. It hurts. The change in behavior, even if not …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 06:48 PM
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Using the presupposition that red pillers believe their theories to be accurate representations of reality, the application of such theory says that one does not "choose" to be red or blue. One simply is human and the theory describes one's actions. Whether you agree with the theory or not is up for debate in this sub. But the idea that you "choose" a pill to act like is kind of a misnomer here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 05:17 PM
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Holy shit you're not kidding. What a treasure trove.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 04:50 PM
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The principle behind all women are like that is not because all women literally do all bad things at all times. It's that they have the capacity to, and you should be aware of that capacity, and take appropriate measures not to leave yourself in a position where you might suffer ill effects from that. I have a long term girlfriend whom I love, and I'm very happy with her. And she doesn't do any of the terrible stuff TRP says. But I know she could, especially if I drop my game. Part of it is unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 04:27 PM
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I think the point is to be aware of human nature. For instance, most people (men and women) have the capacity of greed and self-involvement. The point of TRP is to understand women's capacity for these traits, and the common pitfalls. It's especially useful because men are particularly blinded to this stuff around pretty women (seriously, we get stupid). Couple that with bad advice from our culture and parents, and you've got some seriously inept men. It's not that all women will screw you over,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 04:07 PM
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they can never experience true companionship I think a core tenet of TRP is the myth of true companionshipTM is the lie they're trying to escape. The trope that there's true love just around the corner and just wait you'll meet your special someone is the reason they turn to TRP in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/14 03:44 PM
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By TBP standards, everything is rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 05:50 PM
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I don't believe women when they say things like that, no offense. Take feminism for example: they say they want equality in relationships, they want to date another person exactly like them. Nothing wrong with a guy who's equally as non-assertive and equally as emotional, and cries an equal amount of time, and likes it in the ass. They all say it's true. But nobody's actually attracted to them. They just preach the ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 05:48 PM
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Your new boyfriend keeps you in check. Water takes the shape of the container it fills. You were testing men for their mettle and they failed. Now you have a guy who stands firm, and you can rest comfortably. It's red pill theory that you haven't really changed, just your circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 05:46 PM
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Yeah, she doesn't respect you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 05:42 PM
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TRP is self-fulfilling, in that the women that TRP attracts are more likely to be the type that they rail against. The best part of this is that it's literally impossible to disprove! So there you go, you've got yourself a good argument that's unfalsifiable. The fact is, the men there went from zero-to-hero. It's not that their tactics just get broken women, it's that not using their tactics (being a classic nice guy) gets you nothing at all. So basically, that's nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 05:41 PM
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See, the thing is- butt stuff might be pleasurable and enjoyable.. but you just don't have a girl do it because keeping her respect is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 05:38 PM
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Women don't "choose" to be blue or red. They can choose to believe blue or red, but by nature of the theory supposedly describing reality, everybody behaves consistently with red pill theory, whether or not they believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/14 05:36 PM
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This explains why so many men liked 50 Shades, way more than women!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/14 06:57 PM
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I will say that for men who really lack social skills and perhaps common sense, I could see TRP being not-so-great. There are stories of awkward guys who found TRP and became abusive assholes because of it I think the question is- if they were unsuccessful with women before hand, and suddenly got women to like them, is it so wrong that they became "abusive"? I mean, consider this, why are women rewarding abusive behavior but not their behavior before hand? Can we blame a guy for doing this? This…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/14 03:35 PM
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I thought censorship was so very ....beta. That seems like trolling to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/14 03:23 PM
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Sounds like you were trolling and got plucked. Are you really surprised?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/14 04:47 PM
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Dread Game, Black-knighting, etc. is pretty damn adversarial. I know not all RPers support it. Those that don't, cool. But those are the behaviors I don't like. So you're disagreeing with certain styles of game. That doesn't contradict red pill theory, you know. I could also have sex by holding a gun to somebody's head. It's effective but not efficient. Either way, dread is a last-resort item for a failed relationship, and I haven't even heard of black knighting. The problem with your ace of hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 08:09 PM
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I wouldn't say that. You're meeting two puzzle pieces to see if they join. There's no one side or another. In a way, you're cooperating even then; if they don't like you, that'd be a shitty relationship to be in. So a rejection is just figuring out that you'd be bad together. A man's goal is to be selected. He wants to be selected by as many women as he can. A woman's goal is to be selective, she wants to reject as many low quality mates as she can to select only the highest quality. They are at…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 08:07 PM
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adversarial strategy Again, you're projecting. Your feeling on our strategy is that we're treating women like enemies so it doesn't make sense. Men and women have competing sexual strategies. That does not translate to: treating a date like she's going to rob you. But what they want is for you to pass the test. That's a useless distinction to make, because it's not true. They want high quality males. They don't care which way you go, and when you don't pass, they really don't want you around. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 07:50 PM
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You're not "on their team" yet. You're auditioning. So, your strategies are at odds... it's because our society has built up the expectation that women are the gatekeepers of sex. Or maybe it's because women have a higher cost associated with sex. They can't afford to make children with lower quality males, because it costs them a year and many resources. Whereas the cost for men is much less. But when I say it doesn't have to be, it's not this pie-in-the-sky, wishy-washy, "golly gee, I wish it …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 07:47 PM
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No data. This is a thought experiment in your head, coming to a preconceived conclusion. It's literally worthless. It doesn't even come close to proving your point, either; There's a thousand other explanations to why women might react to being approached differently than men will. Off the top of my head? Societal expectations. Not wanting to look like a whore. Being told they have to play hard-to-get. No data? Get your self to a bar, mate! You can see it in live action! I see it weekly. I work …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 07:38 PM
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I'm not afraid of either. I just don't see a reason why I should have to scheme and plot and emotionally manipulate my wife to get what I want, You've mislabeled competition as emotional manipulation. Either you truly believe them to be one in the same, or you're trying to move the goal posts. Your assertion, if you don't recall, was that men and women are the same, want the same things, and sexual strategy needs not exist, because the red pill's version of it is too adversarial. We're on the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 07:30 PM
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Sure is an easier way out of an argument than having a point. For those keeping score at home, here are all the points I made, left undressed by our young whippersnapper: Experiement: 1 woman approaches 100 guys. 1 guy approaches 100 women. Any guesses to see who is more successful? Why do you suppose there will be a discrepancy? Obviously everybody wants intimacy. But why is there a discrepancy? Is it because what men and women value are two different things? Women are quite demonstrably the se…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 07:26 PM
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Now what, you're just going to play the last word game? I didn't talk past you, kid, I gave you all the tools to start really thinking about your approach to intersexual relations. I gave you some hard questions to think about. I gave you some insight that says, "hey, maybe things aren't that way afterall." And yeah, I attacked your masculinity. Because when I'm being like that, I expect my friends to give me a hard time too. The fact is, you're afraid of scary words and competition. You've show…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 07:20 PM
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That's it? I made some damn good points, and all you can say is that I'm dense! This, folks, is why the blue pill does not stand up to scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 07:15 PM
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So you're just gonna be a jackass, now. Got it. You can't disagree with someone without resorting to ad hominem attacks. It's not ad hominem. Take a second and look at what I'm saying. You're projecting your bad feelings about words you perceive as adversarial and otherwise unnecessarily aggressive- and you're assuming that means that the strategy involved is as bad as the feelings you get about it. You haven't proven the concept to be unnecessarily adversarial. You've assumed it. That's why I k…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 07:11 PM
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I think I made it very clear that the adversarial nature of those strategies is what I object to. Right, like I said, you don't like words that upset you. You project your bad feelings about the words to the strategies because you don't know any better! Generalizations like that are dangerous, but that's a fairly safe one... Most people, man or woman, want both. Most people want both good sex, and high-quality partners. Dangerous!? Have our words grown arms with knives? Again, you want to believ…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 06:48 PM
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I was talking about the idea that it's men vs. women. Men want sex and women don't want to give it. Etc. So in essence, you're upset because the words used to describe what's happening are offensive to you? That's all I can think of here. I can describe football strategies as "friends trying to outrun each other" or "enemies on a battle field." That doesn't change football, nor does it change which strategies are effective. Ultimately, you can deny the economic forces at play, but you can't chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/14 03:23 PM
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No, I mean, your grasp of the english language. You're assuming a negative and adversarial context to the word strategy. Which completely ignores the meaning of the word and the abstract concept around it. When you apply for jobs, and you decide that you're going to wear good clothes to interviews, send resumes to everybody you can, and clear out your facebook... that's a strategy. Deciding you want to use the anti-strategy .. is still a strategy. The only effective non-strategy is to literally …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 02:30 PM
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Tal, I'm looking at some of your work on punching morpheus. Am I to understand that the sub is supposed to be a rejection of sexual strategy as an abstract concept? That seems a bit naive...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 01:25 PM
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If you ever follow RPS's work, you'd see he's admitted on more than one occasion that the hyperbole and outlandishness is specifically to weed out people who become too overly occupied with political correctness to recognize the point. It's a method of selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 01:21 PM
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You're such a romantic!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 01:19 PM
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Women do seem to make babies really well, and men seem to be pretty good at helping in that process. Am I missing something here? Red pill men certainly don't think men are baby making machines. I wouldn't reduce anybody to status of machine, though we are basically biological machines. You see, OP, we feel love. And as far as I know, machines haven't reached that yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 09:18 PM
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by tone, so maybe it is subjective in that sense. I disagree with TRP, but that doesn't make every TRPer bitter. It's just a common thread that I have seen quite often (from "Nice Guy" to bitter and disillusioned to Red Pill, it isn't an uncommon cycle). Isn't it natural to be upset that the way you were raised, and what everybody told you would bring you success ends you with absolutely no success, all alone. And what's worse is when you realize it was a failed idea, everybody blames you for no…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 09:17 PM
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I haven't seen the head mod to be particularly bitter. I think the charge of bitterness is subjective- if you don't like the subject they talk about, then you get to label them bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 09:11 PM
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I think there's a selection bias happening here. If there are 100 new people every week, learning, becoming angry, and then moving on, it'll appear as though the sub is full of always angry people. But in reality, it's fully of people as they are angry before they aren't. Nobody stays angry for that long.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 09:07 PM
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Have you ever considered opening a dialog.. with them instead of about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 09:05 PM
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aybe it's just me, but personally, I don't see the need for an anger phase. Anger at its core is an emotion that is prone to rotting the individual from the inside out. It is self-destructive You can't just dismiss a range of emotions you don't like because it upsets your sensibilities. Sometimes, being angry is ok. And sometimes, telling people they can't or shouldn't be angry is worse than being angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 09:02 PM
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Does everybody here at least agree that women have babies and men can't? It seems people rather ignore the giant differences between men and women, the physical differences, the size differences, the muscular differences, even the differences in choice of career. But we agree that women have babies and men don't, right? Right? So maybe you can work your way from there? I mean, there's gotta be both a reason for sexual dimorphism, and an effect it causes, right? RIGHT? Maybe we don't agree what t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 03:53 PM
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That's nonsense, TRP is descriptive not prescriptive. You can do anything you want with the knowledge, including long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 01:37 PM
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I think that the general concern with "machismo" is that we have such a poorly defined understanding of masculinity after feminism tried to co-opt it, that we actually do want something to call our own. Perhaps our hyper masculinity is manufactured. Who cares? It's ours.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 03:53 PM
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Oh good, I know some high-quality discussion will stem from this!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 03:50 PM
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Be successful. It's that easy. Why don't you understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 03:49 PM
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won't find a jacked man there. That's a gay male aesthetic and is male projection I think that's a bit of an overstatement. I think most women prefer a good looking face and at least a fit body, if not with muscles. But if you have a good face and personality, a little pudge doesn't hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 02:12 PM
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This is perfectly in line with Rollo's Schedules of mating series. See the Preventative Medicine Series for the timeline.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 02:08 PM
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One of two ways: Make sure the alpha/beta blend is just right so she doesn't want to cheat. (and stay vigilant) Accept the futility of it and avoid relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 02:05 PM
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Is somebody grabbing women by the face and forcing them to read TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 04:39 PM
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Why do you think women won't date short guys? Or fat guys? Why do you think women have any say in what they want out of a man? It seems to me that men should have no preferences at all, let alone a preference for a woman's choices. It's just wrong that women can shame a "neckbeard loser" who lives in his mother's basement and won't get a job. Why don't women just respect that choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 02:27 PM
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I have to agree with you there. OP isn't really in a position to declare anybody's side to be crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/14 02:23 PM
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So why haven't the laws changed? The men are still the ones in the seat, so if men are so logical, why don't they change it and be the 'captain' to their 'first-mate' female voters and do what's best for them? I'm not sure if you heard about this little thing called "feminism" that's cropped up and poisoned our culture recently... but yeah, that's why the politicians keep doing things in favor of women, not men. And why not blame the poor voter turnout of men, then? No blame here, just observati…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/14 02:53 PM
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Just the men, though, right? Not the women selling their bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/14 02:45 PM
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But indeed, they do hold the keys, don't they? If you truly believed female candidates would better represent women's interests... women hold the power to do so. They haven't. But they could. Choosing not to use power is still power.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/14 02:42 PM
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Dammit, I had a good reply! If there's no socially sanctioned and unifying code of conduct, you can't predict ,within an acceptable level of certainty ,how someone else (or a broad segment of the population) will react or behave. It seems as though this person thinks TRP is just a reaction to the "fear" of uncertainty, whereas instead TRP is the pragmatic reaction to failure. I realize for some people, failure and fear seem like one in the same- but rest assured, there need be no fear in failure…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/14 02:41 PM
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That's not even remotely true- men can't do the same thing. That's the point. Women can, and many do. And don't start on men making the laws, because more than half of USA voters are, in fact, women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/14 02:32 PM
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The question isn't how many do? but intsead how many could? To which the answer is all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/14 02:08 PM
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I see you've been bested. It's customary to stop talking at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/14 08:51 PM
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If somebody believes this to be true, wouldn't they consider it not hatred? It's almost as if pointing out the nature of dogs, their inability to speak, their smelly breath, and their penchant for chasing sticks is somehow hatred of dogs. I enjoy women, not hate them. And I agree with what he said there. In my life, they hold little use beyond my pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/14 08:30 PM
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Women make up more of the voter base in USA than men. The people in power are there specifically because women vote for them. Women have the ability to turn any vote they see fit. http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/fast_facts/voters/documents/genderdiff.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/14 08:26 PM
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I think the issue isn't the positive giddiness of a child- but the irresponsible decision making.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/14 08:24 PM
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Maybe one gender dominating the highest positions of power in all aspects of modern life says something about who has access to power in the first place. Apex fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/14 01:23 PM
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My original text made less sense- it was "And some people didn't own slaves, didn't mean slavery wasn't bad." Then I realized that wasn't the point I was trying to make, so I re-iterated.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/14 01:14 PM
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My original text made less sense- it was "And some people didn't own slaves, didn't mean slavery wasn't bad." Then I realized that wasn't the point I was trying to make, so I re-iterated.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/14 01:14 PM
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Let's just check the facts: Can make bad decisions, no repercussions? Check. Can break laws, rape a man who is intoxicated without repercussions? Check. When she makes a bad decision, adults in her life take responsibility and pay for it ? Check. Wait a second.. am I describing a child? No! It's a full grown adult woman who simply thinks her decision to drink and fuck are everybody else's fault but hers.. and a federal program and college dean who happen to agree with her reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 08:50 PM
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How does any of this justify treating women as children? Women act like children, they're going to be treated like children.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 08:38 PM
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and not all men will date rape - doesn't mean they couldn't. But if they do- there's a law against it and a system against it. Whereas if a woman does this, the law is on her side and the system backs her up. Do you see where the problem is?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 06:13 PM
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I find blue pillers to be fundamentally incapable of understanding and constructing analogies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 06:12 PM
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I don't believe dread game is negative. Though everybody here has a hate-on for it, it is literally bargaining with the only bargaining chip you have- your attention. Communicating that you will move on without your partner if she doesn't meet your expectations is PRECISELY what a relationship is. Women do it all the time, it's normal for them. When men do it, it's abuse. You gotta be kidding me. Moving on is abuse now?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 05:02 PM
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Well, I bring forward all of those incidences where rape accusations aren't even heard. Please, do list them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 05:00 PM
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As a man who has been raped before, I will argue that "active" and "passive" are not gendered. As a man who has had sex before, I would never describe one partner as "passive."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 04:58 PM
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thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 04:56 PM
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You want to punish your partners for having a vagina in common with people who falsely accuse men of rape. Incorrect. I want to limit and shape my interactions with people who - by virtue of having a vagina- have the legal tools to destroy my life, and the absence of repercussions for doing so. I certainly wouldn't have granted a group of adults such childness based on their vaginas... but here we are. Your logic is flawed and you're displacing anger, plain and simple. If you're not in a positio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 04:52 PM
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Is that what I said? No, that's not what I said. You seem to think that lack-of-proof is somehow damning women left and right to a life of victimhood. Whereas I see it as a fundamental staple in our justice system- the presumption of innocence. I'm asking you to demonstrate why shitty behavior is justification for the treatment of an entire gender like children. Shitty behavior is justification for protecting one's self to avoid the consequences of said behavior. When a gender -as a group- have …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 04:49 PM
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Do you think insults help your cause? Don't answer that, it's rhetorical. Of course they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 04:45 PM
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When faced with the fact that two adults doing the exact same thing (drunk sex) ends in one being punished and the other treated as a victim, you realize that one gender does not have the burden of agency in their lives. Why would you treat them as if they do? Also, stop trying to derail/move goal posts with your conspiracy theories of buried/unreported rapes. Stay on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 04:38 PM
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Did that boy earn his false rape accusation? His expulsion? When did the signal happen that should've told him he was dealing with somebody who wasn't legally on equal footing with him? What he assumed- was that she was equal and could make decisions like he did. But she couldn't. She was a woman and therefore perpetual victim. He should never have put himself into a position where she could leverage her incapacity for consequence against him. But he wanted to be an egalitarian. He believed in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 04:36 PM
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I didn't say we should do anything proactive. I said we should remember that we are the proxy scapegoat to women's actions, and we should act accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 04:34 PM
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Imagine, if you will, that I have experienced many of my friends, and perhaps even myself, being pulled through the court system and being discriminated against because of their maleness. Imagine that I'd like to change the system, but recognize that this does not immediately protect me right now. Even if change happens in 10 years, how am I to react now? I must take actions to protect myself. When I approach a dog- most are kind and will not bite- but you do not know, because dogs are wont to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 04:16 PM
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It would seem it doesn't matter who agrees or does not- she's the one in charge, and he's the one now without a future career.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 04:13 PM
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I accept that in most cases, a woman will not do this to a man. But she can, and has a system to allow her to do so. A prudent man does not leave himself with zero options, therefore he understands the system and acts to prevent it. Let me use my house-intruder example. I lock my door every night, even though statistically it's unlikely anybody will ever break in. I have a gun that I've never used, because it could happen, and I'd never leave myself with zero options. So I treat every night as p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 04:13 PM
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You realize that being unable to prosecute a crime due to lack of evidence is basically one of the last bastions of hope we have for a fair and just society... Would you prefer guilty until proven innocent? How does this translate into women not being responsible? It doesn't address the topic even in the slightest. It side-stepped it. Try to get back on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 04:09 PM
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It's wrong for women to take action and allow everybody around them to suffer the consequences. It's wrong for somebody to break into my house. It's wrong for a lot of things. But they happen. And I have a moral responsibility to protect myself against all of these things. That includes having a weapon at home to protect against intruders, and treating women to the capacity they are able to function (which is to say, clearly not with much agency). If women were able to function with agency and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 04:07 PM
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And actually, scratch that, the system favors the accuser, not the woman, in this context. It just so happens that most accusers are women, because people shame men who report rape (TRP participates in this shaming). From the article: Duke's dean of students, Sue Wasiolek, was asked whether she would characterize a situation in which two students "got drunk to the point of incapacity, and then had sex" as their having raped each other. No, she said. Rather, "Assuming it is a male and female, it …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 04:04 PM
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The question is: Is it wrong to treat women like children. My answer: No, it's our moral duty to do so, as women cannot be held responsible for their own actions and therefore must be controlled.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 04:02 PM
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No, it's quite fantastic. To say that "not all women are vindictive" as a defense against systemic oppression is identical to telling a slave "but look, some white people don't own slaves!" Because what the slave cares about is that slavery is even legal. I don't care if only one person on the planet owned a slave- why is it legal?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 03:58 PM
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No, it's quite fantastic. To say that "not all women are vindictive" as a defense against systemic oppression is identical to telling a slave "but look, some white people don't own slaves!" Because what the slave cares about is that slavery is even legal. I don't care if only one person on the planet owned a slave- why is it legal?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 03:57 PM
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Just because some women are really shitty people, that doesn't mean the vast majority are that bad And not all white people owned slaves- didn't mean they couldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 03:54 PM
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Any time two drunk people have sex, the man is the rapist no matter what. The system dictates this. The question is whether or not the woman wants to press it. A prudent man would realize that a woman cannot make the same decisions a man would, and therefore would not respect her wishes and remove her agency. Even if she wants sex, his best interest is to avoid her- not because all women would do that, but because all women can.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 03:52 PM
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Just because some women don't use the system to their advantage doesn't mean the system isn't set up for their advantage. Most people don't get in fatal car accidents, yet everybody wears seat belts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 03:47 PM
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Well, I mean, for starters, in response to: "We don't care what women do, we want them to understand the consequences of what they choose to do." You put it through the me-filter, somehow skewing his argument to be about you: Okay, I never ever ever want to be with anyone belonging to the TRP group. I don't owe you fuck all. I'll never be "submissive" to you. That's basically textbook right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/14 08:12 PM
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Merriam-Webster Dictionary: Solipsism: 2. extreme egocentrism
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/14 08:06 PM
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It's interesting how Hugh Hefner's grandma porn empire never took off, but taking pictures of sweet young women made him a millionaire. It probably has nothing to do with men's tastes though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 01:15 PM
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One might say a 25 year old girl has more power because of her beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/14 01:13 PM
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It seems getting over platitudes is something blue pillers are particularly stuck on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:21 PM
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If he said, "I want to kill all the blacks" and "I want to kill all the whites," would you call him racist, or a white supremacist? Continuing on with this absolutely insane misuse of the word misogynist is clearly nothing more than a cheap ploy to connect a mass murderer to a group of people you don't like. You're not convincing anybody otherwise. I will agree, Elliot Rodgers was sexist and a psychopath. But labeling him a misogynist misses the entirety of his problem and a majority of his vict…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:20 PM
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The guy was sick in the head, in theory he wanted men to die and wanted women to die. In practice he made more men die than women. And you still want to paint him as a misogynist. That right there is double speak. I hope you understand that this is a type of propaganda campaign against a group, when you try to stretch the meanings of words to associate a psychopath killer with a group like MRA or TRP. You're part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 02:57 PM
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He mentioned he wanted to kill all the men on the planet as well. He wanted to create a world where he was the only man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 02:45 PM
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A misogynist who hated men and women and killed both. Let's see if there's a better word than "misogynist."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 02:29 PM
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But guys- Eliot Rogers WAS DEFINITELY A TRP-ER
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 02:01 PM
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Wait, isn't this exactly the censorship blue pillers accuse red pill mods of? Purple pill ideology can't stand up to scrutiny!!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 06:32 PM
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I don't understand this about women: Why feelings should trump reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 06:30 PM
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Complete side note.. Does it make you feel like a big, strong man?" I love it when feminists project like that, they simply think that because they are trying to convince the world that they're big and strong, men have to do anything to feel like that. I got news for you lady, I don't have to do jack shit to feel big and strong- I'm already like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:48 PM
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It's just.. well, so predictable. If it were original, I'd say you have a point. But we literally made a chart predicting your shaming tactics, and it's incredibly accurate. If you had a legitimate argument, you wouldn't have to appeal to shame to make it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:35 PM
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Because they know how to take it for what it is, some stupid ridiculous hyperbole and machismo, not an instruction booklet. "Everyone's going to think it's stupid" is basically saying "yes, it's stupid, and we know how to laugh at it, nobody else does."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:33 PM
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Shitty women create their own rapes... See how terrible that sounds?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 10:21 PM
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They are generally stronger physically and appear to be better at spatial reasoning/mathematics (although I've heard that may be more due to upbringing than due to nature). Do you think it's cultural conditioning?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 02:29 PM
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My girlfriend went to college an hour away from me, so we only visited on weekends. She clearly grew interested in other guys with all the new attention, there was no hope for me. She still strung me along for a few months before inevitably revealing she had been cheating on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 02:26 PM
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Food for thought: the common denominator in your interactions with other people is you It's funny because not only is it this sort of blaming mentality that drives people to TRP, but once they get there, it's exactly why men learn to change to get the results they want. I know you were trying to be snarky, but, yeah, that's what TRP is about so, thanks?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 06:01 PM
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I mean, your observation that a guy did a bunch of terrible things is literally unreleated to TRP. Sorry your friend is a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 06:00 PM
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Does it though? Your name is literally "misandry lady" and you're speaking publicly without any repercussion about how oppressed you feel, with basically the most freedom any class on the planet has ever experienced. You're just a walking joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 05:51 PM
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I really wanted to be part of the blue pill but some assholes flew airplanes into the twin towers. Seems unrelated, but I thought we were just telling random stories here...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 01:23 PM
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There's two things to think about here: My experience with women is that when you have one that you are sufficiently higher than in the SMP, you can just train her like a dog. You can reward good behavior, and you can punish bad behavior. You can get her to mold into the perfect mate, and both of you can be happy. But she has to be into you for it to work, and that has rarely happened with a woman that wasn't at least 1 point below me. Furthermore, the same women were not happy without boundarie…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 01:19 PM
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I do think it is dangerous because it encourages potential emotional abuse through objectification. And for that matter, we should avoid teaching martial arts for self defense because it has the potential to be used to kill somebody.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 01:16 PM
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You can't compare gendered oppression to racial oppression. Yes, we can. It just makes you look like a whiny privileged woman when you do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 01:14 PM
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But a single being doesn't cause people to act the way they do, they just are that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 01:13 PM
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You might feel slighted because the people over there don't care to tolerate your bullshit, but basically what I'm saying is, getting rid of bullshit is a service we request of our moderators. It's not censorship, it's spring cleaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 08:43 PM
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One day, the world is going to end. That's "morally problematic." Much you've added to the conversation. It's like you've brought feminist feelings to a science debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 08:07 PM
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So you're saying that in your expert opinion the phrase "censorship is so very.. beta" was contributing and insightful, and not the exact text from a blue pill circlejerker looking to troll? I wonder how you come to reason that you'd be even remotely qualified to debate such a topic given your methodology.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 08:00 PM
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Actually, the point I was setting up here is simple: The fact that you believe woman aren't and can't be in charge regardless of their ability to vote shows that in fact, men such as myself are also not in charge. You simply can't say that men are in charge when the fact is, most men simply aren't. Men and woman have equal opportunity to change the system, rather little the opportunity is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 07:52 PM
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Who puts our leaders into places of power?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 07:11 PM
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Then it does not give men power either. What little power it gives, it gives women an equal say, if not a tiny bit more.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 06:45 PM
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"Censorship is so very.....beta. So you were reportedly banned for trolling? I posted it below, I'll post it here: If redpillshcool didn't censor posts as the moderator, pictures of dickbutts would be on topic. You have to account for the fact that a community needs moderation, you have to assume that the people leading it have the most to gain from not censoring their chosen topic, but censoring anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 06:44 PM
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Red pill subscriber count 1999: 0 1999 Manosphere count: 0 websites Red pill subscriber count 2014: 65,000 2014 Manosphere count: 200+ websites So, there you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 06:16 PM
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The only counter-argument is that if redpillshcool didn't censor posts as the moderator, pictures of dickbutts would be on topic. You have to account for the fact that a community needs moderation, you have to assume that the people leading it have the most to gain from not censoring their chosen topic, but censoring anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 06:10 PM
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Wait, but aren't women in power? They have 53% of the vote in the USA. It seems to me there's a reason men are put into positions of power-- the women have deemed it so.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 06:07 PM
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fixed
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:28 PM
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Wait, are you really going with this? Don't you understand that men can cause misandry too because it's part of the matriarchy? I assume you've got no retort for the fact that we're growing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:28 PM
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Well first I put on my robe and wizard hat...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:17 PM
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There is no systematic discrimination against men by women exclusively because they're men. Whoops, looks like it's time for a fact check: Men Sentenced To Longer Prison Terms Than Women For Same Crimes I could go on, but I think this covers the "systematic" portion of the "discrimination" claim. Again, you really haven't done much to address the fact that, unlike the KKK, we're growing in numbers, not shrinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:15 PM
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That's all you got? That women lie? Cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:12 PM
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, it's way harder to achieve than male orgasm and a lot of us have issues coming I don't know, my girlfriends have all had multiple orgasms, and I'm stuck at one.. so...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:10 PM
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If women are solipsistic, why would they provide charity for others? The solipsism means they put everything through the "me" filter. Would they be charitable if they felt bad about it? No. But if it makes them feel better, why wouldn't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:09 PM
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Except that this backlash took an additional 30 years, and instead of a few old racist KKK members left, it's gaining new members- men and boys everywhere who are coming to the realization that it's not equality that's being served, but straight up misandry. It's not getting smaller, it's getting bigger. We're talking about boys and men who tried to do the right thing, even ex-feminists.. and when they realize all they're being served is shit pie, they jump on the red pill. It's not becoming les…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 04:03 PM
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Does it bother you that instead of progress, this "misogyny" is becoming more common? Should you mock us harder? Is mocking working?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:55 PM
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As a red piller, I don't bother with shoulds. I know what is and what is not. What I think should be something doesn't change the fact that by and large, men throughout all of history were expendable to the betterment of women, and are still treated this way today.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:49 PM
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It's not a mistake, they are. They make up the most workplace deaths, they get harsher sentencing in criminal court, they get drafted, and nobody cares when they have problems. Our culture sees men as expendable, whether or not I like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:32 PM
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So being irrational, dishonorable, deceitful, manipulative, immature and stupid isn't actually inferior at all? Not when you consider men's role in society: disposability.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 03:13 PM
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They say different all the time, and never say inferior, but consistently, frequently, exclusively, broadly and specifically use negative terms to describe those differences, and upvote such uses. We regularly call men "expendable." Does that mean we think men are inferior too? Are we both inferior? Everybody?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 03:08 PM
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If I say a rock is a stone, does that mean I hate rocks too?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 07:08 PM
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dearth What do we have? Like seven?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 09:34 PM
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How dramatic is "exredpill?" I mean really, you'd think people could just walk away or not give a shit about things they disagree with. Nope, gotta make a subreddit dedicated to people who didn't understand red pill and want to make it look like they left so it looks bad. When will you guys get it- nobody on TRP cares how it looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 09:26 PM
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There are plenty of genetic traits carried by women (and men) that they do not exhibit but pass to their children. So no, this is not a closed case.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 04:16 PM
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What happens when you have sex with somebody's consent? What's that called?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:14 PM
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Well, I suppose that if you repeat any propaganda enough, you'll eventually convince some people. Doesn't make you right.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:09 PM
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Did you read it before posting? So how does the average TRP'er benefit from this? If you're already sexually active with a woman, discuss the concept of a safeword. Whoops, that's not advocating rape. What's that other word?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:08 PM
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So, what you're saying is, you assume him to be actually insane, with the belief that women are actually and entirely incapable of change, to the extent that they don't get dressed in the morning because changing from pajamas to clothing is a change and their female programming stops it from happening? I mean, let's take the logical extrapolation to the farthest conclusion. You think he meant that? Because if you don't, you're being contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 07:45 PM
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Funny how "on topic" is whatever your glorious leaders deem worthy, isn't it? "On topic" is what the moderators decide, yes. That's how literally every sub reddit is run, including this one. Totally a cult. Totally a baseless accusation with no argument. I've also yet to see one that bans religious people from talking there. In fact most encourage it. I didn't say bans religious people, I said "don't let religious people go in and tell them why they're all going to hell for sinning." Law enforce…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 07:40 PM
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In other words they can't handle dissent. Keeping a subreddit on topic with a high signal to noise ratio is not equivilent to an inability to handle dissent. You certainly haven't done anything to justify this absurd idea. That's like saying the atheist forum can't handle dissent because they don't let religious people go in and tell them why they're all going to hell for sinning. Sure they can. They look like hypocritical people Do you consider law enforcement hypocritical for enforcing the rul…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 07:29 PM
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Complaining about tone while addressing tone is a hypocritical mindset and just invalidates the mods/School in general. Unless you realize the ban on tone police was to prevent the sub from slipping off course, which the mods have a responsibility to keep up. Of course the mods can violate this directive, they're the enforcers. Suggesting there is any other way to enforce the rules without mods actively enforcing them is nonsense. (i.e. police stop violence with legalized violence...)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 06:55 PM
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Here's my take on it, in no particular order. A good portion of the people arguing and being generally dicks are names I've never seen before. They're likely either newcomers who don't know better, or people who disagree with TRP and are there just to detract. (SJW) There's a clear message being made, and the tone at TRP has always been quick-and-dirty "don't do this.." and "do this" type text. The disclaimers are implied and aren't usually necessary. People who are arguing over tone or being pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 05:22 PM
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This must be frustrating for you. I've done a little research myself. It looks like this particular rumor/phrase started with you. In fact- you're the only source. The only other people quoting it happened after you brought it to light, and they all reference you. I am now confident that it is either made up or extremely out of context. Your inability to prove otherwise over the past few days coupled with your incessant posting of it says to me you're trying to spread it as truth. Nobody puts th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 04:26 PM
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"Marital rape is a fucking joke" Was your original quote. I'm assuming you are backing down on that. I asked /u/bluepillschool to provide a source and context on the second quote "sex within marriage has already been consented to", since he's the source of it- and, well, he's failed to present that evidence. It's pretty likely he made it up, or at the very least, did not include the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 11:41 PM
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Marital rape is a fucking joke Control+F "Marital rape is a fucking joke" Nothing. Try again. Make sure you include context.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 09:28 PM
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treat a person like a person, There it is again. Can you think of why these tautologies aren't helping your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 09:09 PM
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"Marital rape is a fucking joke". /u/RedPillSchool[1] . Heavily upvoted. Link please?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 09:06 PM
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When I ask the cashier at mcdonalds for a coke, I expect them to get it for me. I know this because even though I've never met them- I've met other cashiers before, and I expect them to act like all the others. The concept is simple, I ask for the coke, give them money, they give me a coke. At no point do I ask their name, I don't ask them about their day, they're too busy to talk and I don't need to know. Have I treated them inhumanely by stereotyping them, using them, and not bring compassiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 08:38 PM
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Sure thing, sugar. Really though, shame on you. Even if he deleted it, the context should still exist. You should still get the discussion. This is why I simply don't believe you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 08:34 PM
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1) Last time you were at a resturant, and the waiter asked for your order- did you assume that he was like other waiters? Did you assume he would take your order? Did you ask him about his kids, his aspirations? Did you treat him inhumanely by using him to get your food? 2) oh golly, the rape straw man again. You caught us. We're all rapists. the end. Real victims everywhere are so happy you didn't just trivialize a serious heinous crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 08:33 PM
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If by implication, you mean the infinite number of possible combinations he didn't explicitly declare you shouldn't' do- then add to your list dancing in a bathtub with scuba gear, since he didn't say "don't do that" either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 08:30 PM
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I saw you post that you like to steal old women's candy. You deleted it. Prove you didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 08:29 PM
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Really? You're going to take the position that "treat them like humans" brings us any more information than it does provide a conclusion with no argument to support it, because the term "humane" has a definition? This presents no additional argument because it's still assuming the conclusion: that red pillers are by default not treating them humanely as judged by anybody who calls for human treatment. I.e. Platitude. I.e. meaningless drivel. Really. Please, don't add an e and pretend it's the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 08:29 PM
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If you don't want sex- you have the option not to consent to sex. What is bigoted about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 05:43 PM
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You failed to address what I said. You just treated me as not a human.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 03:11 PM
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The recommendation to treat somebody "as human" is a platitude that adds nothing to the conversation. It assumes that your version of behavior is the only acceptable one, that deviating from your specific list of behaviors is inhuman, but is tautological in that it does absolutely nothing to define or defend your set of behaviors that you've proposed are more human. In other words, it's a clever way to assume your conclusion without the leg work of making an argument to support it. Logic 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 03:05 PM
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Treating them as humans might work. This is nonsense gibberish.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 03:01 PM
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If that was our agreement before hand. Please understand that all 50 states currently define marriage as not exempt from rape laws, so both parties would knowingly enter the marriage contract with the understanding that this is not acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 02:22 PM
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This user has no proof of this, he repeats it over and over because he wants to make it true in a fox-news-say-it-until-it's-true kind of way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 02:20 PM
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Please show me where I display hatred towards anybody, or withdraw your accusation of bigotry. Further, show where I support somebody having sex without consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 02:18 PM
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He's using a tactic I've seen a lot- shoehorning an issue or scare quote into every conversation, because if he repeats it enough, it will become true in the debate. He can either put up, or shut up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 02:16 PM
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I think the issue is that he would address each accusation thrown at him, and it was seen as trolly as the people arguing with him. I watched many of the debates go by. He wasn't polite, but he didn't change the tone of any arguments. By the way, the sub was run by completely different standards then. Nowadays insults and circlejerking are the norm here, mods don't seem nearly as uptight. Also, what happened to /u/alphabetmod ?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 02:15 PM
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"I would not advocate sex with a woman who did not want to have sex with you. I would, however, advocate divorce if your wife withheld sex from you, as it is a break in the contract." I mean, it's right there in the text. I just don't know if you're being willfully ignorant or purposefully obtuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 02:10 PM
3

By all means, slink away.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 06:04 AM
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Gosh this must be embarrassing, and look, a quick scroll through his comments shows he did not delete everything past five months ago. In fact, his account is all there. http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/17xmry/acronym_and_glossary_thread/c89tioq Uh oh, did we just catch you lying, inventing a screenshot with literally no proof? Also, why did you post that you fuck dogs and then delete it? If you deny it, you're lying!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 05:58 AM
2

I can doctor a screenshot too. Where's the link and the context? I have 5 bucks that says you don't have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 05:50 AM
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He was banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 05:44 AM
2

Go ahead and provide the entire context for it. I'll wait here. Proof only.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 05:43 AM
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This is the third time I've caught you doing this. This is a PSA: Since the mods are asleep, I will go ahead and alert the crowd not to take this user seriously. This is an out of context quote, and not a sentiment of rps. Source: I've read the discussion where rps discussed the hypothetical concept of perpetual consent. This phrase was within the context of a hypothetical world. This user is trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 05:40 AM
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Since the mods are asleep, I will go ahead and alert the crowd not to take this user seriously. This is an out of context quote, and not a sentiment of rps. Source: I've read the discussion where rps discussed the hypothetical concept of perpetual consent. This phrase was within the context of a hypothetical world. This user is trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 05:39 AM
2

This is simply trolling and out of context.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/14 05:36 AM
3

The question of what he meant is inherent and implicit in the question of if you agree/how do you react.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 10:22 PM
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Isn't it so frustrating when people you want to hate just won't say the opinions you want them to have!? I mean gawwwd, it's so hard to get angry at RPS when he won't just say what we're all pretending he thinks!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 10:15 PM
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Newspapers have a responsibility to reach out to the party in question to get a comment, lest they face possible libel suits. I think it's just as fair here. He doesn't have to respond for a debate to take place, but ensuring he can't will make sure the truth can never be heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 09:39 PM
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Removing all personal attacks would be even better- but since I don't see that happening, I think he has a right to clarify his statements when there's confusion. I don't know if he would, but at least he'd have an opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 09:37 PM
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He's banned- that's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 09:33 PM
3

When the question is what he meant, you'd have to be specifically looking to make sure the truth is never found if you don't want him commenting on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 09:32 PM
3

In the one place where red pill school isn't allowed to post. He's banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 09:22 PM
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I'm saying that if the laws on the books during that time literally said rape only exists outside of marriage, I wouldn't get married. I'm not sure why anybody else would enter into such an asinine contract knowing the law. But I have to assume that people with their own brains and agency were able to look at the laws the same way I do, and be able to make their own decisions. One such possibility is that somebody wanted to be in a contract where rape could not occur, implicitly accepting that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 09:21 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2bf1h8/controversial_opinions_of_uredpillschool_trp_head/cj4q0xr
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 09:17 PM
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If you didn't like the idea of sex with your husband, and wanted to retain the right to deny your man sex, you had the option not to get married. Caveat emptor. Obviously, I personally would not have sex with somebody against their will- but to say that within the context of the completely voluntary construct of marriage- people knowingly entering into a contract that was known to be exempt from rape laws.. I don't think it's an open an shut case that that made it wrong. That's similar to saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 09:16 PM
1

THANK YOU, JESUS! Can we put this to rest now?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 09:00 PM
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The meaning of legal words is. The webster definition : "the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse" Is meaningless without the definition of law.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:55 PM
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He discredits marriage as an actuality. Says that sex was part of the promise when two people got married. So when it became illegal, it eroded the definition of marriage. He even says, "if she didn't fulfill her duty, it's grounds for a divorce" not grounds to take the sex from her forcibly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:50 PM
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Use the scroll on your mouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:45 PM
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Feel free to navigate up this thread and find my original comment, which he completely ignored wholesale and resorted to just posting a picture hoping it was present a retort by itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:45 PM
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I learned from my mistake. This troll put civil out the window an hour ago. I won't be civil with somebody who wont' take a debate seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:40 PM
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You edited your comment so I'll respond to one bit here: the "marriage contract" never included some kind of clause that made rape OK. That's not what defined rape. Rape laws defined rape- specifically saying that marriage was an exception to the rule. Lastly, regardless of what the law says, it's still rape. By definition, rape is defined as the crime which it represents. Which is why we're using other terms to make sure we're talking about the same thing. "the unlawful compelling of a person t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:37 PM
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You assumed that by reading the comment, I would come to your conclusion because you thought it was prima facie evidence of your conclusion. Which it isn't- thus my argument. Which you have repeatedly, even now again, failed to address let alone rebut.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:33 PM
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Not only was it a business transaction, but it often included writing of many contracts, wills, and the transfer of property/wealth/livestock and is still a legal contract to this day. Splitting up (divorce) is literally a division of assets, and doesn't have much to do with love. (nobody's there poking them saying "but love! You must stay together!")
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:32 PM
1

looks like that's still there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:29 PM
2

and nowhere does a wife agree to allow her husband to have sex with her even when she is unwilling Indeed, the courts decided this in 1970s. Beforehand, however, it was legal. Rape was defined as nonconsensual sex outside of marriage. So, again, the contract you are speaking of is a fabrication. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Perhaps re-read the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:29 PM
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Ironically, you're asking what he means in the one place you are guaranteed he can't answer. Sounds to me that what you want isn't the answer but a fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:26 PM
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Why do you call it "unwilling sex"? It's rape. In a debate that is calling into question RPS's definition of "rape" I think it makes sense to use other words to describe what is meant. Unwilling sex puts it clearly so there's no room for misinterpretation. And your "Biblical marriage" "contract" included things like a man paying shekels of silver to the father of his rape victim ... The "marriage contract" you guys are talking about is a complete fabrication of your imaginations. You realize tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:24 PM
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Whoa, there buddy, take it easy on your common-sense approach to what was said. Don't you understand this could be construed differently if you just squint your eyes right? I want a flame war dammit!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:21 PM
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You posted, in its entirety, a comment that RPS made, with literally zero comment from yourself as to your problem with it, your analysis, or how exactly you came to your conclusion- as though it were prima facie evidence of your conclusion. Which it isn't- thus my argument. Which you have repeatedly, even now, failed to address let alone rebut.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:20 PM
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I remember too. It was mainly soulcakeduck trying to turn every post he commented in into a debate about rape. I think that's why he was banned- he was a magnet for this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:18 PM
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The submission listing page doesn't show below 0 scores, it just rounds them to 0. Here's one on page 1: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/25q2ze/women_should_not_be_allowed_to_vote_if_your_wife/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 08:17 PM
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Nothing racist about having a preference for ethnicity. Nothing racist about a chinese man having a prefence for chinese women. Nothing racist about a white man having a prefence for white women. Nothing racist about a black man having a prefence for black women. Nothing racist about a jewish man having a prefence for jewish women. All of these statements are logically consistent with eachother. Please try again on the white supremecy hypothesis. Perhaps start here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 07:34 PM
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So, I'm wondering if you just lack reading comprehension or what..?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 07:24 PM
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What do you mean, "doesn't believe in marital rape?" doesn't believe it happens? doesn't believe the law should prevent it? Or how about understands that the law didn't prevent unwilling sex with a spouse as a standard part of the marriage contract until the 1970s (ending approximately 1993)? understands that marriage is a contract that entitles one member to the fruits of one's labor, but has no such complementary requirement, and as such deviates from the Biblical definition of marriage. He, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/14 07:18 PM
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Obviously a woman doesn't gain agency for herself until well after she's 50 years of age, as we've learned, anybody younger dating a man would be "tricked" or "manipulated" into it. That said, the OP said 42 year old man dating a 20 year old man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 09:07 PM
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Here are your go-to blue pill responses: They're not normal women, they're low quality. The women are manipulated, they wouldn't normally. Of course you'll find women who will have sex at [insert anywhere a red piller will meet a woman]. Of course, all of these completely negate the fact that if a red piller didn't have sex before trying red pill, that the "low quality" and "women at bars" theories lose all veracity. In short, no, blue pillers have no coherent theory on why red pillers are succe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 09:05 PM
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Nothing was removed except the game links, which were moved to /r/trpgame.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 04:40 PM
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1 is a screen show of... /r/purplepilldebate, not the red pill. This style of question poses a hypothetical scenario to flesh out the details. Regardless if red pillers actually hate women, why is it bad? That was the topic of discussion, and an interesting one at that. Asking the question to spark a debate is hardly an endorsement for misogyny. 2 Gaylubeoil makes a crude remark. Let the hate train begin! 3 Seems like outrage for the sake of outrage. As though it's prima facie wrong, and require…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 03:18 PM
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fizolof is not a mod.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 03:13 PM
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How are men not inferior to women if what TRP asserts is correct? Men can't have babies, don't have much power in the sexual market place, they get longer and worse sentences for crimes they've committed, and are absolutely clueless as a gender on how to get laid? How are men not inferior?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 03:13 PM
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So what's your point here? That since there are exceptions to every rule, nothing is knowable?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/14 03:08 PM
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Wasn't there a thread just a day or two ago here on PPD where every blue piller was convinced that women weren't the gatekeepers of sex and that men and women are totally on even ground? Why would women get more messages? Aren't they equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/14 03:28 PM
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Indeed, this really is nonsense for replies. One look at this graph explains it all: http://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/results-after-7-days-graph.jpg?w=500&h=227 http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/results-from-an-online-dating-experiment/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/14 08:29 PM
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eddited
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 05:33 PM
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You don't have to believe the news articles, but I tend to ignore conspiracy theorists.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 05:32 PM
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You were attempting to justify progressives' desire to quell and shame all speech they find offensive by correcting it and saying that it's, in fact, incorrect speech they're trying to quell, as though to add validity to the censorship. If you're not in favor of it, you probably shouldn't have tried to justify the behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 03:59 PM
1

So it would seem you are also against people having the freedom to practice their religions?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 03:50 PM
1

It would seem as though everybody thinks women are children.. /r/pussypass
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 03:49 PM
2

Who decides what's incorrect?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 03:41 PM
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I will have to look for evidence of the first one- unfortunately I think it was all deleted when it happened. The truth is, most people don't care about you guys IRL, because when you actually speak out the things you write out IRL, you sound terribly foolish. You know this, and keep mum about it. Well it looks like there's a handful of subreddits full of people who don't think that (/r/purplepilldebate, /r/thebluepill...) that care quite a bit and are utterly obsessed with arguing about it. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 02:24 PM
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This is not an isolated incident. There have been at least 3 since I've been around.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 01:59 PM
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She admits that she doesn't "want to go around shooting people or ripping off their heads... it's just gross..." And you wonder why these games aren't targeted for her... I don't read 50 Shades of grey, should I complain that it doesn't have enough pictures for men?
/r/MensRights25/06/14 01:57 PM
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You're almost there... Why is it that men will put that off so long? Why is it that women are initiating most of the divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 01:40 PM
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Covert communication that you can leave, and that you might. You never just plainly state it, you communicate it covertly- through upping fitness, displaying higher quality, flirting with other girls, staying out late, and establishing independence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 01:32 PM
1

This was a fantastic exchange, just wanted to let you know. I don't think you were both debating with the same number of marbles though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 02:33 PM
1

Just wanted to chime in quickly and mention that almost nobody here knows what dread is. It's a covert communication that you have options and can use them. Covert, not overt.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 02:24 PM
1

If you believe men are objectified too, but only work to improve conditions of women, then you are pushing for the supremacy of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/14 07:24 PM
1

To the extent that women will leave a man for not "manning up" and marrying them. Reducing men to mere relationship objects. Disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/14 07:20 PM
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The real question- when was the last time a girl stepped in to stop another girl hitting on a drunk guy? Was it never? I'll answer it.. It was never.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/14 02:09 PM
1

A woman that doesn't want to have sex with me. Well, she needs to convince us that isn't indicative of there being something deeply wrong with her. See how that works?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 01:49 PM
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Has PPD boasted about it's freedom to say whatever you want? The purge saw worse transgressions than I'm sure he ever did.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/14 01:48 PM
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I haven't met one girl who doesn't have a dramatic rape story.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 08:01 PM
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After his answer, you took the worst, most twisted version of an interpretation you could - and then had the gull to ask if he could just "answer the question directly.." As if you've got any room to demand directness, you're so twisted you see around corners.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 07:58 PM
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He did.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 05:16 PM
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Upon further introspection, I think what I want to avoid is women with bad attitudes- and (rightly or not) I associate this bad attitude with women who have been around the block. I also associate this attitude with women who smoke cigarettes or go to bars regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 04:36 PM
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I usually associate that behavior with when they reach the age to start going to bars- they instantly realize how much power their pussy has and they go dark. They get rough around the edges, they lose their soft femininity and it's replaced with bitchy shit-tests and aggressive tones. These women try to out-do you on everything, and they make it clear that they can do whatever they want and it's a take it or leave it deal. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 04:34 PM
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I'm just not interested. Do I need to justify it? If you showed me two women side by side that were identical in every way, but one has had sex with 30 different men, I'd choose the one who hadn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 04:30 PM
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Exactly. People show up with some stupid criticism that ends with "And that's why you're all misogynists" then get banned and complain because they were "just asking questions..." They do it to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 04:12 PM
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The mods explained a while ago that they define "trolling" as questioning the core beliefs of TRP so even an endorsed contributor was banned fairly recently for making a pretty innocuous comment that happened to disagree with the basic beliefs of TRP. Why don't we ask the mods? Oh isn't red pill school banned here?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 04:07 PM
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Yes, I would be apprehensive dating her. I would probably ONS her, but that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/14 03:59 PM
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I guess the disconnect between you and I here, is that you're implying that misogyny is in and of itself a completely self-contained abstract that has no possible justification and is bad because of what it is. And what I'm saying is that this guy didn't hate women, but instead became very frustrated to the point where he was blaming women for his problems. And given his experience I think this is a natural reaction to not understanding why things weren't working for him. Your complete lack of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 09:07 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/26u2f3/the_rational_males_take_on_the_eliot_rodger/chv552h
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 08:39 PM
1

You going to keep running in circles? Or are you going to address my point? Oh, you're not going to. Again, refusal to debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 08:38 PM
0

see my other reply
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 08:32 PM
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Which is why you don't belong on a debate sub. It is you refusing to debate, not I.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 08:31 PM
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I don't think misogyny is real in the way women think it is. For instance, they assume anything critical of women or their strategies are inherently "hatred." This is borne, I assume, out of a certain level to which women often feel above reproach. Men are critical of men all the time, there's no consideration for misandry there. Many discussions on TRP are not about hatred, but instead criticism of women's strategies (and of men's). The fact that it's called misogyny misses the point. Misogyny …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 08:31 PM
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I asked for proof that the red pill told this guy to murder. Not proof that a mentally ill person committed murder despite what he read, I want to see where it is that red pill advocates violence. I want to see how it is that a system of belief such as red pill can be held responsible for random people's actions if the call to violence isn't there? As soon as you can address this- your side of the argument will substantiate. Until then, my position is clear- you're full of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 08:16 PM
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He didn't know how. He was autistic and saw other people being successful but had no idea what steps to take to get from point A. to point B. As somebody familiar with the feeling, I often become overwhelmed when I cannot see a clear set of steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 08:16 PM
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My point is that this is not an issue of a guy who just hates women... this is an issue of a guy who is angry about what he can't get (women) and angry at anybody who can get it (men). He was jealous of everybody's social aptitude. He was unable to reconcile his debilitating desire for sex (which by the way, is something a lot of men have trouble with) and his complete and utter failure achieving this (which by the way, is something a lot of men have trouble with). Calling this misogyny complete…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 08:15 PM
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you litterally stated verbatim you'd only accept it if there was video tape evidence. Now you're just making stuff up. U mad bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 08:08 PM
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Right, so as we can see, he was mentally ill. I'm having a hard time understanding how his desire to kill all men because they're in his way can be twisted into misogyny. Maybe you think men are already expendable?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 08:07 PM
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When somebody hates men for being able to have sex with women, and hates women for not having sex with him- you've got yourself somebody who is mad because he felt like he did everything right, and was still lonely. Call it entitlement if you want- but ultimately it is very frustrating to do everything right and have no success. To call this "misogyny" completely misses the point and hijacks this tragedy as a means to an end. It's possible to hate both at the same time, but if you do, it's not c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 08:06 PM
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I asked for proof that the red pill told this guy to murder. Not proof that a mentally ill person committed murder despite what he read, I want to see where it is that red pill advocates violence. I want to see how it is that a system of belief such as red pill can be held responsible for random people's actions if the call to violence isn't there? And you told me I was just unreasonable. That's not an argument. It's you who does not belong here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 07:46 PM
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Look how unreasonable and biased I am. I want proof instead of wild unsubstantiated claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 07:42 PM
0

TRP shares responsibility in the same way the inventor of pizza is responsible for somebody choking on their own home-made pizza.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 07:40 PM
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the man sphere/TRP is at least partly to blame Why? Where did we establish this is true? It's already been covered in the media Oh, you saw it on tv. Where did they get the idea? man sphere/TRP is at least partly to blame. Oh but why would they think that? It's already been covered in the media Unless you can show me an actual link where somebody said, "Hey Rodger, you should take a gun and knife and kill people, that's the red pill way" you are full of complete SHIT just like the news outlets m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 07:39 PM
1

So, right now, we're looking at a total of exactly ZERO serial killers from TRP, exactly ZERO evidence of inciting violence, and they should add mental health links because a random woman on the internet disagrees with their theories? Why don't we just make it a thought-crime to be red pill, and get this over with?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 07:36 PM
0

We should ban chemistry and physics for having the knowledge that might create bombs too! Scientists be damned!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 07:34 PM
1

He wanted to kill all the men on the planet with a virus.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 07:32 PM
0

It is possible to hate men and women at the same time. One does not cancel out the other. Yes and there's a word for it. It's not misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 07:31 PM
4

If a guy had 50 such messages, would he not pick the hottest one(s) to actually answer to? If there were enough time, he'd get himself 50 lays.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 07:22 PM
1

There is a possible outcome which says that despite all my attempts at improving myself, I may not attract a woman. That's not cognitive dissonance, that's just reality. How is that entitle...oh fuck it, you're clearly trolling I can't even finish this
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 07:20 PM
1

You're still making this leap in logic that does not follow. We assume that women will want an alpha, so we adopt alpha traits to attract women. This does not lead to: therefore alphas are entitled to female affection. Let me give you an analogy (I know, you're really bad at these): Somebody plays the lottery every day. His chances of winning are very slim. One day, he decides to buy multiple tickets, increasing his chances of winning. Does he feel entitled to win because he's trying a different…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 07:11 PM
1

TRP feels entitled to sex by the simple premise than their entire ideology is built for the purpose of obtaining it. Please read what you just wrote- an ideology (or more aptly a strategy) for obtaining sex means they feel entitled to sex. There's a bit of a gap here that you're missing. Does a man dying of thirst who develops a strategy to find his way to water feel entitled? Do football players who devise game strategies feel "entitled" to win?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 07:02 PM
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If there is no qualification that makes somebody red pill, then there is no qualification that doesn't make them red pill. Nobody on /r/theredpill is red pill. You are red pill. Do you see why what you just said is nonsense? Also, stop using complete shit for analogies. I know you like them, but you suck at it. Seriously I'm starting to wonder if blue pillers have any reading comprehension at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 06:59 PM
1

Please demonstrate that a majority- no heck, even a minority- of red pill men feel entitled to sex. Keep in mind that "feel entitled" is an internal state that implies motivation, so you'll need more proof than demonstrating a strong desire. Go for it. I'll wait here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 05:19 PM
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Somebody who failed to become part of the group is not part of a group by definition. I'm really sorry you don't understand analogies. My condolences to your english teacher. It appears to be a problem systemic to blue pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 05:14 PM
2

You don't like analogies, we get it. Join us when you get past 6th grade english class.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 05:06 PM
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I don't accept this at all. It's your responsibility to know what you're arguing against. You can go ahead and keep fighting the boogeyman, but don't bother with your ignorance here. you do think you're owed sex. Whoops, looks like somebody decided they're the arbiter of somebody else's position.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 05:00 PM
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You don't get to reject him because he took it all down a more sinister path. .. and every medschool dropout is a doctor now too?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 04:58 PM
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Its actually very counter productive. Women don't like men who shoot women. Ted Bundy. I rest my case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/14 06:31 PM
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Analogies are used to give a new perspective so you understand where the author is coming from or what they're trying to say. But no, disproving an analogy completely misses the point of analogies. You would still have to disprove the original assertion to have any effect, disproving the analogy just proves that you don't understand how they work. The analogy is to clarify a point, not prove a point. Disproving a clarification does not effectively do anything to disprove the other point. Anybody…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/14 06:28 PM
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Let's say both TRP and TBP have their unsubstantiated claims about what they think the other is. The only real way to move the conversation forward is to debate a topic and use the conclusion to move the debate forward. We have a debate once a week: is RP pro-rape? The conclusion is always decidedly: NO. So if we can't accept the conclusion of a PPD debate to move forward and build on that, what's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/14 06:25 PM
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And you were so kind to alert us of it, so we won't judge you when you appear confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/14 06:23 PM
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I think it's a bit of both. I think society would never have developed the way it is if it didn't fullfill some sort of need. Ultimately, women have concealed ovulation, so it stands to reason that men would become cautious about who their women have sex with. It could be 10/90, 50/50, or some other combo. The point remains that I have it, and don't even care for it, but cannot just "socialize" my way away from it. I grew up in a liberal family that did not put importance on chastity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/14 06:22 PM
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A soft harem is different from casual sex in that you are up front about seeing other women, and you attempt (and maybe succeed) at keeping a number of women at the same time (verses trolling a bar for strange). It's a "rotating soft harem" because a number of members mention the turn-over is around 3 months. Verses a harem which indicates some sort of commitment, this is really just an ongoing causal girlfriendship with multiple girls. It clearly has a definition between casual sex and harem.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/14 06:20 PM
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HEre on this sub. Find one discussion where the conclusion of the debate is that TRP is actually pro rape. Seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 07:34 PM
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endorsed rape and abuse. It's been discussed time and time again, and these conclusions are always concluded to be unfounded.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 07:27 PM
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Before somebody makes the comparison to christians who say "but you can't prove god isn't real, so what's wrong with our view?" I will dismiss that argument front and center. PK is talking about synthesizing and extrapolating information on the observable world to make best-guess choices in a complex world. There is no right or wrong, there is only personal happiness and in this case, long-term-sexual success. If it were easy to define or achieve, we wouldn't have anti-depressants, a self-help i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 04:08 PM
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fantasy world where goddamn prison time is an actual concern when dating. How can I take you seriously when you deny my reality? You don't even try to understand the reality men are coming from before so casually dismissing it. I have friends who have ended in prison because the woman they dated were unstable and went nuts- and the law sided with them. Ever heard of "predominant aggressor." Or how about "false rape allegation.." These things are real risks, and, although uncommon, are systemic. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 04:04 PM
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There are two different issues here: First is the reified analogy which was plain wrong and needed to be addressed. Second is the actual point which needs to be rebutted by you. If you do not believe OPs analysis, that dating women is not only a common source of insecurity, but rightly so, then do feel free to rebut his point. Again, disproving an analogy is a flawed understanding of how analogies work, and why they are used. This is english 101 folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 02:43 PM
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When you blatantly misrepresent the OP's comments in such a crude way, it demonstrates that you don't understand analogies or that you're looking for a cheap shot to try to undermine his point - in this case, by reifying his analogy you have done so. Yes, in fact, when you misrepresent an analogy so blatantly, it is your doing. And when called on it, you try to play it off. You made the comment, now deal with the rebuttals. (I'm referring to OP, not you)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 02:21 PM
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Yeah? I can see how I missed the point in the well thought-out rebuttal you typed. It is clear to me that I have missed entirely the point here, and certainly you have set me straight by demonstrating your literal interpretation of an analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 02:11 PM
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The irony that you are still misunderstanding analogies is hilarious here. Like, completely and entirely over your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 02:09 PM
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Your analogy is bullshit and shows a lack of understanding. It's not my analogy. But I did come in to demonstrate that people don't understand analogies. Maslow uses the term "jungle" in his description. sh1v continues this theme in his analogy, for no other reason than to stick to the theme. He could just as easily used a different theme. The literal topic of the theme is irrelevant because it's an analog. There is no literal jungle here. As is obvious here, his comparison is that men are insec…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 01:54 PM
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What are our schools pumping out? Analogies are not the same as proofs. They are not here to be disproved. Anybody arguing with an analogy fundamentally misses the point of what they are used for. If you don't believe men struggle in the mating world because to them it becomes a very difficult experience where there are risks, go ahead and refute that. The analogy portion of that was to provide a description of the experience from another perspective, to give it context in an evolutionary light,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 01:34 PM
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I'm a jungle animal for turning a guy down? Just another example of a bluepiller not understanding analogies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 01:24 PM
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It's frustrating when these very basic understandings of the world around us are being challenged and questioned on here to such an extent that we can never move onto a real debate about theory. These people are so interested in arguing over semantics and won't let us pin down even our own preferences well enough to even debate most of the more advanced red pill topics. It's a disappointment to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/14 08:11 PM
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I've never been asked out. If you count the number of women I've asked out, so far my ratio is probably close to 250+:0
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/14 02:32 PM
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If you were competent enough to be making those decisions, you would be making them. Implies that all people with a certain skill level must be using the skill actively or they do not have that skill. Which is nonsensical. Using the fallacy was a shortcut to explain that to you. Since you clearly don't comprehend, I guess I had to spell it out for you since you clearly lack the ability to extrapolate information yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 03:51 PM
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"My level." The cop-out of the out-argued.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 02:40 PM
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As a group, men don't have that luxury. Just because Fabio exists doesn't change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 02:40 PM
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If you were competent enough to be making those decisions, you would be making them. This is a fallacy and still an insult to boot. Your point is even more ludicrous considering women VOLUNTEER for military service on their own. Yes, my requirement at gunpoint is totally the same as offering a choice to women. It's absolutely the same thing. Hey, in other news, forcing me to have sex isn't rape because women can choose to have sex at any time!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 02:39 PM
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No, what you're saying is that I shouldn't use words that mean exactly what I mean because somewhere somebody else might get offended, and I should sacrifice talking to others who agree with me about my preferences because they're less important than somebody else's sensibilities..hypothetically. It's nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 02:34 PM
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Indeed, it looks like the mods are very sensitive to this sort of mocking and like to stop it in its tracks. It looks like they tread the line as closely as they can to have plausible deniability to claim they're victims of censorship- but there is no doubt here, EFS was mocking, and calling certain lines of thinking "autistic." I'd have banned them if I were a mod.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 02:16 PM
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"The latter of the two sounds like something an autistic kid would say." I'd ban you, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 02:14 PM
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Doesn't change the fact that being born cat (who we also tend to breed) gives them a better life. (in some countries). Seems as though we do play favorites.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 02:10 PM
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It's ridiculous to say that the gross number of actual deaths has little effect- since the actual dead people aren't voting, it's those who observe the risk doing the voting. It may be a small gross number, but proportionally it's fucking huge- 90%. I don't think I'm overstating it when I say this because of what it implies. Not ever coal miner dies on the job, it's true. But every coal miner knows the risks, and votes accordingly. Not every man on the front lines die, but every one of them know…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 02:09 PM
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There are very, very few people in this world who really struggle to get even one partner. Even if this were true, struggling to finally get laid once is still far different than having plenty of options to choose from. But anyway, the science does say that simply put: we descended from twice as many women as men. Men either died too soon to pass on their genes, or were simply not attractive enough for women, who apparently shared the same men. http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 02:06 PM
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There's a difference between having the right to fight, and the responsibility to fight. Men signed up for the selective service. If one doesn't, it's a felony. In most states, this limits my ability to vote. My voting rights are inextricably linked to my signing up for the draft (even if there is no current draft).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 02:02 PM
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First of all, you have absolutely no idea how intelligent I am or am not, so please leave personal attacks aside. Secondly- I don't think women should be drafted, I think women shouldn't have been given the vote. The thing about people like you is that you can never fully grasp the idea that if you want equality, then you have to accept equality. Want to vote? There are responsibilities with that. Don't want the responsibilities? Don't get the vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 02:01 PM
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I'm not a mod.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 02:00 PM
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I don't think you understand just how low men's standards are for sex, verses women. Men simply don't have the ability to be choosy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 01:58 PM
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Honestly, it makes me feel sick to my stomach when even the hint of the idea of somebody elses cock being in where I'm putting it. It's completely unrealistic and irrational, it's just programmed in my head. It's a very similar feeling when I consider gays- I'm pro-gay-rights and don't mind them at all. But when I consider being an inch away from another man's face about to kiss, I'm instantly turned off. Complete visceral reaction, I get really grossed out by the idea. It's not a rational exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 01:43 PM
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I care what I'm turned off by, that's why I use words to describe it. You don't have to read TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/14 01:36 PM
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why it's women's responsibility They're 50% of the vote right now, and apparently they want equality. Listen, if they don't want equality, that's fine by me. I'm prefectly fine with the understanding that men and women aren't equal. It's women doing the stupid right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 09:10 PM
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Or should I link all of your arguments on this thread thus far? If that made you comprehend them, I say go for it. Can't say it will though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 09:09 PM
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Are you really suggesting that women have an equally hard time getting laid as men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 09:09 PM
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There are other descriptors that don't connote the same intent as "slut." Not that don't also convey that it's something that turns guys off. Also aren't you the same guy on this thread going on a creep-acceptance campaign? You confuse my description of creep shaming as the yang to slut shaming's ying as some sort of "Acceptance campaign." You've read too far into it I'm afraid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 09:08 PM
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Do you think men's main problem with sex is too many options they don't like? You do realize that men actually struggle to get Even one partner...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:39 PM
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Women don't dislike a guy because he's never had sex. That has never happened ever. Your solipsism is showing. Just because your experience wasn't this, doesn't mean there aren't plenty of guys who have it. I know of a whole subreddit of people who experience a totally different world than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:38 PM
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That's such a half-hearted concern. We didn't take part in the responsibility men have because we think it's dumb. We just shouldn't have war at all. Why didn't we just do away with war? Vietnam could've been avoided.. right? So again, explain how women are meant to take responsibility when they are denied the right to do so? Illustrate to me how women were meant to participate in a draft they were literally legally barred from by men? Like this: The nineteenth ammendment: The right of citizens …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:35 PM
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If there's nothing special about sex that they're "giving up" then why don't women have sex with every person on the planet? Why don't they fuck homeless bums? Why don't they have sex with everybody, including their platonic friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:33 PM
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I didn't insist it's true for all men. I am insisting that it's true enough for all men that the preference exists. It's like skinny women- imagine if it were easy to get a hot young babe- all dudes would do it. But we don't all get what we want, so we settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:31 PM
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Because they demanded the vote and didn't simultaneously ask for the responsibilities in their so-called quest for equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:30 PM
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I love it- when faced with the inequality of the draft, the low hanging branch is, "well it was men's idea!" In case you don't understand, the draft was necessary for national defense. I'm not anti-military or anti-draft. I'm anti-somebody with no skin in the game trying to call the shots.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:15 PM
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For the reference, I am not advocating throwing insults at people. I use the term slut as a description, not as my way of getting other people down. Imagine if we do away with the word slut though, the problem will still remain. If a woman at the age of 35 can't bag a dude and keeps having sex with every Tom, Dick, and Harry she can find, you can say, "hey maybe it's your approach." If she feels bad because of it- was it the slur, or was it the stark reality: Your actions have consequences. Fair…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:14 PM
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Listen, it could be 100% learned behavior, it doesn't change the results- men are attracted to chastity and women are attracted to studs. I'm not arguing that it's 100% biological- or even a known percentage. What I am arguing against are the deniers saying that this preference doesn't exist at all. It does, and I have it, and I can't control it. It's odd, because the very same crowd saying my sexual preferences can't be biological are making the exact opposite argument when they are pro-gay rig…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:12 PM
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Women get fertilized and carry a child to term. Men fertilize and have less reproductive costs. Sexual dimorphism stems from here. So long as women have a higher cost, they remain the selective gender. They want the highest quality mate, and therefore find a very small select few men attractive enough to give this opportunity to. Men, being the expendable gender (it takes less men to make children than it does women), tend to take on more dangerous tasks, are more likely to die from these tasks,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:09 PM
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The point I'm making is that you can feel comfortable on your high horse looking down on those pathetic idiot men who call high count women sluts, and since you don't acknowledge the double standard, you don't even have to admit that the exact opposite happens to men- inexperience, lack of numbers, inability to have sex with women makes a guy a loser and makes it very difficult for him to find a mate. You don't even have to acknowledge this hypocrisy, instead you get to pretend your moral war is…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 08:03 PM
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That's exactly it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:57 PM
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If not putting out fires makes you bad at your job, does this behavior make a fireman bad at his job? Yes. Does it make an ice cream vendor bad at his job? Now a play from your playbook: ANSWER THE QUESTION: Did you stop beating your wife? A yes or no please.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:56 PM
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They don't marry when the goods are free.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:55 PM
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The numbers speak for themselves- in an era of free-sex and divorce, marriage is getting pushed back. What did men marry for? Sex. When they get it free... what happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:30 PM
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I do have a problem when "sluts" call out other "sluts" however. Then don't date or marry a slut-man. Now that's progressive!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:29 PM
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Did you stop beating your wife? If you answer anything that isn't yes or no, are you also dodging the question? You are trying so very very very very very very hard to pigeonhole me into this false dilemma, but nuts for you, the world doesn't work like it does in your imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:28 PM
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I am going to argue that I think your'e 50% right. Here's a weird example. I am a guy and I like to be progressive. I think women should be able to enjoy sex as much as men. I am not sure number of partners affects women so much as experience does. For instance, having a few ex boyfriends they had sex with is not the same as the same number of partners they found at a bar. I think the bar-scene chick will have some issues with commitment. So I don't like to judge on the number. But I found that …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:27 PM
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This, thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:17 PM
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The answer isn't no. I know that as a BP man you're having a really hard time understanding that the two given options in this false dilemma aren't the only two options in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:16 PM
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So late women have trouble finding good enough men (men their age). And women in their youth have more success than men in their youth. So.. you're almost there.. what do we draw from this?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:15 PM
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So you're upset that men and women value different things in each other? You should be just as upset that women like men with dicks, while they themselves don't have dicks! How hypocritical!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:14 PM
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Yes, women and men are allowed to have standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:13 PM
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So the term "slut" only works because sluts are offended by it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:12 PM
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Is what hamstering? Using logic in a debate? Looks like you've got a lot more reading to do, kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:11 PM
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But you must have a reason why this is the case. Gosh, if only I had written words in my replies instead of those funny shapes!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:10 PM
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I agree that we don't need chastity thanks to birth control. Doesn't change that women still prefer the men they like and men tend to like the chaste women they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:08 PM
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Not Good per se, but what I mean was, these things came up to address needs that the culture had at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 07:07 PM
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The question was "Is it fair to call men a slut for the same behavior?" I explained that, in fact, the word "slut" is meaningless in the context of this behavior in men, because their standard is not number of partners, but instead access to sex. To which they replied "Answer yes or no" Which is a false dilemma by definition. You should take a gander over at the wiki if you're unfamiliar with what a logical fallacy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 06:11 PM
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So a woman who has standards has.. less sex? Am I getting you right here?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 06:02 PM
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Indeed, the woman who is now established is unable to find a mate suitable for her. Where did they go, do you suppose?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 06:01 PM
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aren't women allowed to have standards too? Indeed, they should have standards. That's why we call a promiscuous woman a slut. It's like comparing a man eating something he spent a month hunting, verses a woman who is eating at a buffet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:58 PM
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I was showing you an example. Do you really need a double blind to tell you that women accept advances from good looking guys? I don't think the university of obvious shit did that study yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:57 PM
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You just can't bring yourself to call a man a slut, but you seem to use the term quite liberally and unapologetically for women, though you're describing the same promiscuous and indulgent behavior. That's an interesting theory that takes into account literally nothing I've written. Let's try the reading comprehension game: You ask if it's fair to use this word to describe non-firemen? It's nonsensical, so the question can't really be answered.. Yes, as a non-fireman, I can be 'x' (bad at puttin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:56 PM
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Looks to me like they both want casual sex, what's so different about that? One can get it, with great ease.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:53 PM
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It's not absurd, the men who want to marry are still marrying- just not them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:52 PM
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Men at higher ages are able to get married, while are less likely to be able to get sex in their early twenties. Women, on the other hand, are less able to get married at these ages, and apparently argue "where have all the good men gone" when they go career/carousel first, then family.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:52 PM
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It's fine if they want casual sex. But if they want to get married, they should be cautious. And it doesn't seem right to shame women for natural urges and laud men for them in the first place. Men and women want different things. It's just different. You don't see women getting virgin or creep shamed, so, we all have our double standards. I mean, if we didn't have different body parts, maybe we'd be the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:46 PM
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The never marrieds piling up weren't just made up. They're literally from the US Census.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:45 PM
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Is failing to answer a false question "being difficult?" By your standard, asking a false question is just as difficult. Either answer, yes, or no, both confirm the presupposition in the question. Neither are something I agree with, so I presented precisely why. Call that difficult if you rather avoid the mental legwork of actually formulating an argument instead of trying to pigeonhole your opponents with faulty logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:44 PM
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Did you click the links I put in my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:41 PM
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Believe it if you'd like. As a man, I can tell you with certainty that virgin shaming is indeed real. Look no further than the lastest ANTI-RED PILL thread. "Virgins" and "neckbeards" are the top insults.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:40 PM
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it's from the US Census.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:32 PM
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Did you run out of arguments? Quick quick, ask for peer review on this! Uh, lady, it's from the US Census.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:27 PM
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Can you believe we eat cows just because they were born cow? By the way if you answer this, you are engaging in a discussion as a human-supremacist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:27 PM
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I didn't think you were, I just thought that was an interesting twist I hadn't thought of. It's true, we'll never have equality with the draft if women can just get knocked up to dodge.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:25 PM
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Thing is, believing that riding the cock carousel into spinsterhood is a myth is ignoring the real signs: http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/never-marrieds-piling-up/ http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704409004576146321725889448
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:24 PM
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Did you just completely fail to read my words, or is it the comprehension thereof that you're having trouble with? What's this? A blue piller committing a fallacy? Say it ain't so. I just want to know, yes or no, if a man with a high partner count could reasonably be referred to as a "man slut." I am, literally, asking for a one word response.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:23 PM
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This requires a certain lack of grasp on reality- to assume that men can just wear virgin as a badge and it won't affect their sexual value at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:22 PM
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Which is exactly what blue pillers complain about. Seems to me that without a sample of what this material is that was deleted, you have as much credibility as every other troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:21 PM
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In your mind, that must be how you use it. In practice, that is not how it's used.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:19 PM
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You don't find it kind of interesting that this completely unheard of preference for chaste women even has a pervasive word attached? (slut) to enforce it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:19 PM
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Are you a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:16 PM
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Why bother with equality when women will shirk their responsibilities anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:14 PM
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Sure, virgin isn't negative. Having a woman you're trying to woo say "aww" certainly isn't demeaning at all... .. in backwards world.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:13 PM
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Because men don't like slutty women, but women tend to like men who other women like.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:12 PM
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you to get so defensive You are projecting your feelings. I don't care. I just want to know--yes or no--if it would be fair to call a man with a high partner count a "man slut" and if not, why not? I'm sorry that you're having trouble extrapolating on what I'm saying.. Take for instance we had a word 'x' that means "bad at putting out fires." We discuss if it's right to use it against some firemen who are actually bad at putting out fires. You ask if it's fair to use this word to describe non-fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:10 PM
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Ah, glad to hear they're signing up for the selective service now. Thanks for clearing that up. Now women can join the ranks of people being legally barred from voting when they refuse to sign up... .. wait, what's that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 05:05 PM
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Creep is used against men when they're not attractive enough. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f76_1323277426 Why would being unable to secure attraction from a woman need be negative, unless you're trying to dissuade men from trying?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 04:59 PM
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Fat guys don't get any relenting on the fat issue- so you can't make that the equal to male virgin shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 04:57 PM
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If you read what I wrote, I explained why your question is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 04:55 PM
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If a man fucking as many women as he wants stopped him from being able to find a wife when he turned 35, then it would be necessary to explain to him that he didn't plan well, and explain to younger men to avoid the folly. As it stands, this is not true. Man "sluts" are very successful with women. Finding one to marry is relatively simple for him if he decides to settle down. The man's hurdle is indeed getting a woman to fuck him at all in the first place. As you can see, if he fails this task, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 04:55 PM
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The first two are genderless. The last two are gendered. Men are creeps, and women are sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 04:53 PM
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Because women and men are monoliths? Call me a cynic, but I believe people, women and men, will vote for whatever got the most ad donations dumped on it, They really do live separate lives. Men making up a majority of workplace and military deaths, women receiving a majority of child support, men paying the most taxes, women spending the most money... Why wouldn't you think they'd vote differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 04:52 PM
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There's a difference between disagreeing and general trolling too. The blue pillers that get banned usually storm in with literal interpretations of analogies, or are purposefully obtuse so that discussions derail. They make inflammatory statements that can never be falsified "you're all so misogynistic because..." Of course that derails topics too. But bring up the pros and cons of a controversial idea- fair game.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 04:41 PM
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It's not a moral judgement. So, that answers that question. If a man never pays his bills: deadbeat. If a man loses all his money to gambling: gambling addict. If a man does not possess all the qualities required to attract a mate: Loser, Creep, Weirdo, neckbeard, virgin. If a woman decides that she wants to fuck as many guys as she wants (therefore failing to meet the standards for a relationship with many guys): Slut. It's not a moral judgment. If she never planned on getting married, good for…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 04:38 PM
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If women voting is a basic human right- so is dying for your country.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 04:33 PM
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Now the way I see it, this is actually one of the problems red pillers have with women voting- not that they truly believe stopping the female vote is a practical answer, but that in essence it would "fix" the problem much in the same way that killing off everybody with aids might "cure" aids. Nobody truly thinks it's a way forward, it's just a hyperbolic way to write it. But how can you debate how women have affected the vote (especially if that effect is negative) if people are too scared to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 04:32 PM
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In case you're wondering, I think it's good that the discussion took place and I think it's rather fascinating. I am merely posting this discussion and taking a contrary position to help put the red pill under scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 04:29 PM
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It's astounding that in a discussion about debate discourse itself (and the use of analogies) the person you debated with kept taking your analogies literally. It was like it was the only skill they had. ROK would be thrilled to hear you conflated him with Mao Tse-Tung.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 04:27 PM
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Is there any merit to the conversation even being had? It seems to me a lot of people consider even the conversation itself to be very similar to "wouldn't it be great to just kill all the black people?"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 03:46 PM
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I am currently abusing you just like that guy did to her. You aren't trivializing real victims anywhere at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 07:26 PM
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Hey women, how many of you like this funny, kind, intelligent, jobless loser?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 07:16 PM
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Lol, yeah better keep them away from me, I might mind-control them into doing my bidding using this nifty brain-ray I have. These poor helpless zombies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 07:15 PM
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There are people starving in Ethiopia that I hope you're ready to take responsibility for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 05:34 PM
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Let me ask you this why is this man not responsible for his actions? Deciding to be a jerk is his decision. If he was alone and lonely, I'd say "you've made your bed," since being a jerk seems like a terrible strategy. But instead, he got laid. For five years. Sounds to me like he liked the outcome of his actions. The only person here regretting anything is a woman who is retconning a five-year relationship to make herself look like a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 05:30 PM
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I am astounded by the amount to which everybody rushes to absolve women of their own fucking choices. I'll repeat my comment from above: This girl dated a guy everybody thinks is abusive. Either she chose to or not. He didn't tie her down, and we don't have mind-control helmets yet. SHE CHOSE TO DATE THIS MAN FOR FIVE YEARS. SHE DID. NOBODY ELSE. THIS WAS HER FAULT. SHE IS NOT A VICTIM.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 05:27 PM
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Because I have "Red Pill Man" next to my name, and that would mean exposing yourself to new ideas that might change your mind? My point is simple: either people are responsible for themselves or they aren't. Stopping smoking might be difficult, especially when you're addicted. But guess what- it's your decision to start smoking. So this girl dated a guy everybody thinks is abusive. Either she chose to or not. He didn't tie her down, and we don't have mind-control helmets yet. The amount to which…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 05:23 PM
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Let's just do an informal survey: Hey women, how much do you like a poor jobless man?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 05:21 PM
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Answer my question: Can you think of a single instance where a woman is actually responsible for her actions and bad outcomes? Your answer to this decides whether a debate with you is worthwhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 03:39 PM
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You do realize that a man without a job has no chance of getting a girlfriend, but guys date women with no job or make less money all the time. Women want a guy who makes more than them. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1121122/Why-rich-men-better-bed--Women-orgasms-wealthy-partners-study-finds.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/18/do-women-want-rich-men_n_879760.html
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 03:28 PM
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In other words, women are entirely incapable of being responsible for their actions. When they want something, they do it. When it turns out it's bad- it wasn't their fault because they couldn't have known better because abuse is mind control. Can you think of a single instance where a woman is actually responsible for her actions and bad outcomes? In my life, I have yet to be able to blame somebody else for my stupid actions. Maybe I should grow a vagina so I can scapegoat all my actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 03:08 PM
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I have no idea why this is getting downvoted. This is a brilliant take on the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 03:04 PM
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is where she had consensual sex with him, then felt dirty five years later (after her brother broke it off mind you) and accused him of date rape. This is exactly what TRP has been calling "regret rape." And to all the purple pillers out there, this is why we say it's scary and real. Because she can decide it at any time. Denswend nails this here-- From this I infer, that as much as this woman considers herself a victim, she can easily become unjust oppressor. This is the real risk, and the proo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 03:03 PM
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Your avenue has been shut down. No one was claiming that. It has subsequently changed, but to say it wasn't originally stated is disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/14 02:58 PM
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But no one is claiming that, you see. ... If a woman is verbally saying no, even if her body is saying yes, it would still constitute as rape. An exact contradiction to that. You then try to single-handedly redefine what the OP said, to which I posted precisely what I was addressing. Three times now. Give it a rest. Playing games is all you can do since you can't seem to wrap your head around the VERY BROAD interpretation the OP left open that I addressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/14 06:26 PM
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If a woman is verbally saying no, even if her body is saying yes, it would still constitute as rape. I guess I'll keep copying and pasting the quote until you're either forced to read it or give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 11:59 PM
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I did some searching to find examples of women jailed on account of false accusations made by men. To my surprise I found literally zero examples. It would seem your utopian view of how the world works doesn't match reality. The justice system severely prefers women in sentencing, and when they cry rape. Here's a short list of people sentenced to prison on the word of a woman, later to be proven innocent using little things like proof... David Shawn Pope David Shawn Pope was convicted in 1986 of…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 11:59 PM
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No they don't. I can accuse anyone of rape/sexual assault/ theft / murder / regicide and I'm not a woman. Yes you can. And as not a woman, your accusation is mostly ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 09:09 PM
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If a woman is verbally saying no, even if her body is saying yes, it would still constitute as rape. You might read the op.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 09:06 PM
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Wouldn't it be easier to just get rid of people who don't think in a way you approve?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 09:03 PM
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"Informed consent" is as radical as it gets, it leaves women the sole arbiter of rape, to be secretly decided on whatever criteria they choose. Don't make as much money as you lead me to believe? Rape!!! Imagine all the female-on-male rape that would start up. Wasn't on birthcontrol? Missed your birthcontrol pill one day? Lie about ovulation? Didn't want to tell them you were cheating on your husband? Don't actually like the Beatles but said so anyway? Wearing lipstick and your lips aren't reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 09:01 PM
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It seems as though people from the blue pill are hellbent on destroying the nominclature that the red pill uses. If we dispose of the terms "alpha" and "beta," will the behaviors that the red pill are speaking of simply disappear? Or, should I ask, just because these animals have been found not to have the "alpha" they original were thought to have, does this mean the concept behind the word has now vanished, or is it because the animals do not exhibit the behaviors "alpha" and "beta" were descr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 08:57 PM
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If a woman says no, pushes me down and jumps on top of me, that right there is enthusiastic consent. Anybody who tries to claim otherwise believes women have no control over their body movements.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 08:55 PM
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Rape is forced sexual intercourse, including vaginal, anal, or oral penetration. Penetration may be by a body part or an object. What does this say about envelopment?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 08:53 PM
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If I said rape is whenever somebody looks my direction, it would be more than relevant to point out that this is a radical crazy ass view.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 08:51 PM
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informed consent This is utter nonsense, both from a logical perspective and a legal one. Logically, there would be no way to define "informed" consent, since there will never be an exhaustive way to determine if somebody was informed enough for consent. I could always find out new information in the future that might make me change my mind about a person. And the legal concept would be equally impossible to impose, due to the logical problems that arise. The good news is, you don't define the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 08:43 PM
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"a lot of women lie about rape" (nope, google the statistics I think the reason you find a lot of men worried about this (perhaps even blowing it out of proportion) is because these men don't expect to get accused of actual rape (since they are not rapists), so false accusations are the number one threat to their safety, slightly more dangerous than birth control sabotage. In the world of sex between men and women, a false accusation might be uncommon, but women and women alone wield that option…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 08:35 PM
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I am not referring to juswannabeanony. You mentioned that " doing anything other than marrying young and immediately having children counts as "partying it up" to some people." so I clarified that it's only considered "partying it up" if it's followed by bitching that they didn't get the opportunity to marry and have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 08:30 PM
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If a woman is verbally saying no, even if her body is saying yes, it would still constitute as rape. Because a woman's mind is much smarter than her body. Based on your description, not only is a woman's brain not smarter than her body, it's victim to it. Listen, either you believe adult women are capable of agency, making their own decisions, and experiencing consequences, or you believe they aren't. In which case you believe women to be children.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 08:28 PM
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Taking your sexual prime and not securing a monogamous mate is considered partying it up if you later bitch that you can't find a mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 08:15 PM
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So just because losing an arm is bad, we should allow men to lose their fingers?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 08:12 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/14 09:03 PM
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Getting married is easy, staying married seems to be the one nobody can get down.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/14 08:56 PM
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I personally think its unnecessary to be done on babies. However, it should be up to the parents. The parents could either have religious reasons or just going by the recommendations of the doctors. If you are a new parent and most doctors are recommending this, you are likely to go a long with it. Doctors also recommend vaccinations, have input on dietary needs and run tests to make sure things are A-OK. Children by default don't have rights legally, instead it falls to their parents. This deci…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/14 08:27 PM
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While ideals are nice, I think the reason for the divide is simple: When you see a group of people (i.e. women) tout ideals that they themselves do not adhere to, it's difficult not to fall back on reality instead of ideals. Women say, "hey we like nice guys, just be yourself," it only takes a few times to see she's going to fuck the douche at the party minutes after telling you she values your friendship and wants to take it slow that you wonder-- who benefits from these ideals? Really, looking…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/14 09:00 PM
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Norah Vincent is a right-wing conservative whose views were pretty much the same before she dressed up in drag as after. Norah Vincent.. the lesbian? Conservative?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/14 02:45 PM
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They also have demonstrated that you look at your life partner the same way if you grow old together, but it's a different effect if you meet when you're already old. I don't have the study, but it's somewhere out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/14 03:26 PM
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FWIW, RPS mentions he's attempting LTR in the IRC a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/14 03:24 PM
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Fertility is inherently sexy to men, because that's literally how sexual selection works. So the younger they are, the more time they have to be fertile. It's like asking why a guy who makes $40,000 isn't as desirable as a guy who makes $4 Million. They both can survive and buy a car, but one can buy more.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/14 03:21 PM
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Hey rps, did you fix the bug yet with top level comments?
/r/TheRedPill10/04/14 04:40 PM
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Bluepillers absolutely revile beta chumps, and when they hear a man trying to be proactive about his SMV, they assign the same hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/14 01:33 PM
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Sorry, that's the wiki page on the study. You'll have to get to the study yourself here: http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/NACJD/NCVS/
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 06:35 PM
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"Slut shaming is wrong! Those red pill guys are such fucking losers for commenting on the sexual history of women. I bet they've never gotten laid before..."
/r/TheRedPill03/04/14 05:37 PM
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Trigger warnings: What is a "trigger"? The truth. That's the trigger. Women are so repulsed by the truth, that they literally cannot tolerate it. The truth triggers an emotional meltdown. Holy shit, that's a great observation.
/r/TheRedPill03/04/14 05:35 PM
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Think about this for a second. It's estimated that a majority of our ancestors- 99.9% of all humans or humanoids ever to live.. had a lifespan average between 25-35 years of age. That means any women that had multiple children had to start early to do so. Women could still reproduce towards the end of their lifespan, but produced less. Using pure logic and nothing else, you can surmise that those who had a preference for youth had more kids than others. There is no reason to believe this is "soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 01:22 PM
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Only 0.5% of women and 0.06% of men, age 12 or older, were raped in 1995. By 2010, these numbers had decreased to 0.2% of women and 0.01% of men http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Crime_Victimization_Survey Even if you use the ridiculous 1 in 4 lifetime stat that feminists use, that's still says 75% are not raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/14 01:13 PM
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A majority of women are not raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/14 09:08 PM
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This was very insightful, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/14 04:53 PM
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Perhaps the almost total indifference most TRPs have towards them is what makes them so obsessive. It drives them nuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/14 03:55 PM
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These public programs and feminist-propagated-notions of how men are so imbued in toxic masculinity that even 'normal' men will rape is going to lead to the following: Rape will become a meaningless term, real victims will lose support. When you classify normal behavior as rape, and women as a gender continue to demand a certain level of aggression by rewarding only these behaviors, they make all men into rapists and reinforce it. It's a clever way to put even more control into the hands of wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/14 03:08 PM
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And rarely will a woman find herself in a position where she will literally be overpowered. It's a novel fear, but it's not a common crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/14 03:02 PM
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as a society fetishize youth in women Would you say we fetishize breasts, fetishize sex, fetishize women? The term fetishize imlies somehow that we are both abnormal in our desires, and working against our natures. Whereas the more likely scenario is, we, as people, like youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/14 02:54 PM
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I don't think there's much of an argument here, I agree... you do believe that. That makes you a terrible person. /thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/14 02:51 PM
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If you didn't think feminism was bad, you'd identify as one. There's a reason you choose the term "egalitarian." Until you outright admit that feminists are doing evil, you are as good as condoning it in my book.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 08:08 PM
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Oh, it looks like you missed my point, so I'll write it out for you. No sex = no evidence of anything working. Penis in a vagina ... that is sex. So when my penis enters a vagina, we can go ahead and document that. There's a test you can do to verify it's happening. My point is simple: Having sex is objective evidence that somebody is having sex. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills actually explaining this to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 08:07 PM
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"I don't do casual." Just another shit test. The number of girls who said that to me hours before hooking up... LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 03:58 PM
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Doing anything that might be disapproved of by the feminist collective that they know is attractive and works. For instance, being rich and more powerful as a 30 year old man, and dating an 18 year old. These are things that women are attracted to, and it works. Not because you force anybody to fuck you, but because the 18 year old REALLY WANTS TO. Well, the feminist collective realized that powerful men hold the cards in the sexual market, so they rally against it. Now using a natural form of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 03:09 PM
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Sex isn't something you do 'to' women I beg to differ. So long as your feminist cohorts maintain that two drunken people having sex is male-on-female rape, I choose to believe women are not agents and in fact have sex done to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 03:07 PM
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I want to back up mmmstarchy here... Telling somebody that their original misconceptions about dating were "obvious" and that anybody with a brain should've known is absolutely gaslighting, especially in direct contrast to the fact that blue pillers also reject red pill theories, basically damned if you do, damned if you don't. What they don't tell you is where the actual sweet spot is. Hey you were being a nice guy? Well that's creepy! Hey you're being an asshole? Well that's wrong, try being n…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 03:02 PM
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It is tantamount to thought crime at this point, since they agree that our behavior might be sexy, but if it's rooted in red pill theory, it must be wrong. It's like if I made a sandwich while thinking hateful thoughts, the sandwich must be tainted.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 02:58 PM
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My penis entering a vagina is pretty objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 02:51 PM
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will eliminate the problem SHORT TERM.. Drinking water eliminates thirst short term.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 02:47 PM
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I'm not here to help you get laid. I'm here to argue that TRP is misogynistic This should be enough to clue red pillers in. They're not here for observable, quantifiable results. They're here with an agenda to enforce an ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 02:42 PM
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I see cute girls with stacked ugly dudes all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 02:16 PM
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It completely ignores the fact that young women find power attractive. They actually think that using the advantages you have is immoral. If women find power sexy, then they will date older men. That's no more taking advantage as a young woman using nice hair, a hot dress, and some makeup is taking advantage of men. We play to our strengths. Would the people recommend against dating 18 year old girls also recommend we don't shower or shave, to ensure we don't accidentally appeal to other desires…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 02:15 PM
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The problem isn't that women are all like this or that bad- the problem is that women can be like this, so there's no control on it. Women can act out, be irresponsible, and squawk for the aid of other men when they don't get their way.. and as a society, we enable it. Even if this is only representative of 1 in a thousand women, the fact remains that the other 999 could act like this and get away with it. I've seen women throw drinks in guys faces at bars.. and get the guys removed. I've seen w…
/r/MensRights31/03/14 02:12 PM
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So let's say hypothetically I almost fuck an 18 year old girl (and I'm 30), but decide not to. She goes out with the next older man she meets... ... ... Who is responsible for that? .. .. What if he declines, instead.. so she goes after the next older man she meets? .. .. .. At what point is she responsible for her actions?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 09:11 PM
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And in a few generations, you might start seeing women embrace consequences realistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 07:35 PM
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Right? This is the stickied post on the main page of TRP right now http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/21bs35/on_reading_comprehension_and_literal/
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 07:34 PM
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I remember my almost first time. Met girl at a party, we end up in a room upstairs.. it gets hot and heavy.. things start moving down town. I admit I was a virgin.. and it was like flicking on the lightswitch how quickly she put her clothes back on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 07:30 PM
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If people want to do it, fair enough. I'm not their parents. I personally wouldn't do it, because I do not believe that lack of respect would end at the bedside.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 07:27 PM
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Red pill treats women like children. Blue pill treats women like incapable slightly retarded children. Blue pill gets mad at red pill for talking about it despite their own problems. the cycle continues.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 07:26 PM
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It doesn't. Tell me if it would happen. You know full friggin well it wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 07:12 PM
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He's not the only one with that view, but here's the blue pill bullying, it doesn't just affect him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 07:04 PM
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Which makes them unable to make decisions for themselves... effectively robots. They only do as they're told. What makes us human? Our free will and agency? Then these weak people are lesser people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 07:01 PM
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If that were true, we shouldn't let them out of their parents house before 25. How could you support female freedom knowing how childish their brains are?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 06:59 PM
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preference for youth could be a harmless fetish Or just a natural biological desire... why would male preference have to be a fetish? There is a reason a majority of mainstream porn is with young women. It's not because it's a fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 06:58 PM
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A quick thought experiement can test this. Here's a woman starting to show signs of aging: http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1566/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1566-544503.jpg Can she land this guy: http://image.funscrape.com/images/h/hot_guy-12798.jpg ?? Let's even the score, can she land a guy older than her?? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/George_Clooney_66%C3%A8me_Festival_de_Venise_(Mostra)_3Alt1.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 06:48 PM
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Seems very archaic to me. War is archaic, until you're in one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 03:59 PM
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That doesn't diminish agency, that diminishes judgement for sure. Somebody who makes bad decisions is still making decisions and has the right and ability to make decisions for yourself and responsibility to deal with the consequences. A man deciding to take up smoking is making a bad decision for his life, but because he's an agent, he has the right to do so, and the responsibility to deal with the consequences. Sure, smoking ads can influence his decision, but ultimately, as an agent, there's …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 03:56 PM
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It's weird that you're calling men who can fight and die for our country boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 03:52 PM
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I have no problem when a 30 year old is attractive. That'd be me fighting against pretty much every girl who has a crush on a male movie star. I have issues when men use their age to their advantage to manipulate girls much younger than them. It's predatory. It's ok for women to prefer older men, it's not ok for men to prefer younger women. Woman = good. Man = bad. If you're acting shady, then you're going to be judged. But when you're the one deciding what's shady, you're being both judge and j…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 03:51 PM
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Agency exists, but it's not some invincible trait that can't be compromised or stripped completely. It's possible to rob someone of their agency. The very concept of agency says you can walk away if you so choose. So unless there's a gun involved or he's holding her down and raping her, no, her agency isn't compromised. Her bodily movements and decisions are still 100% hers to make. no one in their late 20s rounds up to 30, he's just making himself look even older with the +/- crap I think he's …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 03:49 PM
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So some people are lesser people?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 03:18 PM
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It's a social norm. Right, and here we are challenging it. It's also a social norm to laugh at men getting raped. Doesn't make it ok. No, but making a logical argument that you refuse to refute does make it so. Agency is a concept, that which says you have the ability and right to make decisions for yourself, and the responsibility to deal with the consequences. Many philosophical ideas revolve around the concept, and plenty of political ideologies do too. So, when I said "wishing it away does n…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 03:17 PM
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There are more men than women in the army. Adjusted proportionally as well. For whatever reason, women aren't as much at risk in the US military. There's something to be said about a persons 'type'. If that type is half your age, and only just coming into the age of consent, then yeaaaaah, gonna be a little bit predatory. If the person's type is young, fertile, skinny.. that's predatory? So basically, the thing that all men want but few can get is predatory. Here you might respond: I know plenty…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 03:12 PM
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I was a man at 18, not a boy. Ultimately, your problem is that you don't like the idea that men at 30 might actually be attractive to an 18 year old girl. We should make it socially immoral to take advantage of being attractive. But nobody shames women for being attractive at 18... and that's when they're most attractive, it's only downhill from there. 18 year old girls hold extreme amounts of sexual capital. So much so that the porn industry basically revolves around them. So much so that lead …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 03:05 PM
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Yeah, that's pretty straight up. rulenumber303 making my point for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 03:00 PM
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How about we recommend that women of decent income but approaching the wall consider forgoing single parenthood via anonymous pickup, and instead seduce 18 year old boys in their last year of highschool. Literally nothing stopping them. There isn't nearly the stigma (if any in most circles). In highschool my friends and I had a term for it. "Cougars"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 02:58 PM
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Women can join the army / navy too just fyi. When men sign up, they're far more likely to die... approximately 97% of casualties are male. So, no, when women sign up, they're just as sheltered from the result of their actions as elsewhere. Lets say someone is 30, and they exclusively date 18 year olds. You've missed an option: C) They find them attractive Whoops! Forgot the actual option in your shaming attempt. I wouldn't stop an 18 year old from dating a 30 year old if they wanted, but I would…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 02:54 PM
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Guy's trolling, don't feed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 02:50 PM
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The "agency" bull shit has got to stop. Wishing it away does not make it so. When someone is younger, they're more venerable to getting screwed over by someone that's older. They're weak willed. So do you suggest we give them keepers, so they don't make any decisions? Perhaps you'd say that we should raise the minimum age for the army too- maybe 25? Does that sound like an age that boys could finally assess risk?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 02:46 PM
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disgusting and shameless predators Shaming language? Check. Baseless accusation? Check. I am not categorically opposed to dating or fucking young girls Inconsistency? Check. You are not a red piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 02:43 PM
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You'd think logically that pictures of 15 year-olds in bikinis wouldn't upset people nearly as much as people laughing at infant car accident victims, but in practice the opposite is true. Especially when you consider that those 15-year olds chose to wear the bikinis in public. Getting upset that people are looking at what you are wearing in public is like throwing money at somebody and accusing him of stealing. (Edit: I will clarify, that I think taking pictures of people without their knowledg…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 02:42 PM
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literally condones violence Go ahead and link me proof. And make sure it's a theme, and not just a random troll. Remember, you're comparing red pill to blue pill here, where every post is a circle jerk about mocking red pill. So I'm sure you'll show me where they condone violence on a regular basis. reinforces the idea men have no control over there sexual urges Reinforces that men AND WOMEN cannot choose their urges, but how they act on them IS within their control.. Well gee, that sounds reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 02:39 PM
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The only reason no women are in my business is because no women want to be. Can confirm, over the years I've been in my business (I do all the hiring myself), only about 10% of the applicants are female, and rarely do they interview well. One literally told me when I asked "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?" she replied "well, I really want to go to school and get my degree and work in the city... so I see this as a stepping stone to that.." Now, granted, I don't expect employees to work for…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 02:13 PM
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And instead of refuting it, you re-enforced it by saying that, indeed, women need protection from themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/14 06:11 PM
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Your defense of your position is that you think you're right. It's quite obvious how that can be compared to hitler. Most people think he's wrong, but he thought he was right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/14 06:10 PM
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He's called you an online bully for spending so much time mocking and insulting a group of people, and your defense is that you're morally in the right.. which, mind you, isn't an agreed upon position, it's your baseless conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/14 06:09 PM
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Seems like the workplace death rate isn't much concern to them. In one U.S. study, 93% of deaths on the job involved men, with a death rate approximately 11 times higher than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/14 02:57 PM
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As I said, 2/3 of minimum wage workers are women, so women are very well represented at the lower rungs of society. Getting minimum wage is different than risk taking. It's the opposite of taking risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/14 02:55 PM
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Regarding homelessness, men are more susceptible to mental illness. And yet we have women's shelters, not men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/14 02:54 PM
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You just linked me to mensrights, so I guess that explains why you are anti feminism. No, the content of the links are why he's anti-feminist. You actually have to read it, not just disagree with the source.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/14 02:41 PM
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Nope. TBP is a group of people who set up shop in order to make fun of TRP. That's the purpose. I can start a burger joint that only sells hot dogs, but after a while people are going to catch on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/14 02:34 PM
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Honestly, with how often repeated bluepill "truths" tend to be in hollywood, television, teachers, and news media, I think you might have yourself a case of selection bias- the people you knew were aware of the red pill, so it looks like common sense. But I assure you, the pervasive social narrative is one of anti-red pill in western culture. If you don't believe me, ask yourself, how on earth is hillary clinton actually believing she has a shot at presidency?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/14 02:14 PM
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Muff, he's making some pretty good points, and your entire argument so far has boiled down to "but I'm right, so listen to me!" It seems to me like maybe you're used to that line of reasoning working in the real world, but on here, nobody cares that you're female.. you're going to have to defend your points like men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/14 02:10 PM
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My morals > TRP morals, any time, any day Said hitler.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/14 02:08 PM
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Of course not, let's keep the status quo- men should sacrifice, women should continue as they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/14 02:03 PM
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There's military service if they're drafted, but that hasn't been an issue for any of the men alive today. Whoops, you must have forgotten... http://www.vva.org/ Also, not signing up for the selective service is a felony for men, and in all but two states makes them ineligible .. to VOTE! Looks like men are actually paying the price to vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/14 02:01 PM
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manipulating, and abusing weak women That looks like misogyny to me. Seems as though only red pillers believe women have agency and can choose for themselves. You think these women are weak and need protection.. do you think.. they're children?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/14 01:54 PM
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It doesn't matter. The ideas presented will have to be weighed on their own merit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/14 01:22 PM
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I have to correct you, I've been on there for a while- this isn't a new policy, and they're not banning women. They're banning attention whoring. If something a woman wants to say is worth its salt, it won't matter if she's a woman or not. I think it's pretty clear that otherwise, a woman's perspective is exactly what they're on TRP to avoid, not gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/14 01:35 AM
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The people who go out and defend do so on their own, I don't really see the mods steering the sub in a direction terribly concerned with looking good.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/14 01:33 AM
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It would seem as though they don't care about how they appear and instead use this sort of coarse language on purpose to weed out people that they don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/14 10:21 PM
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So when an idea is presented by somebody anonymous, the crowd can analyze it based on the idea's merits. Nothing wrong there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/14 10:19 PM
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Not every woman I'd fuck would I marry. But every woman I'd marry I'd want to fuck. So no, porno isn't all women I'd marry, but there isn't a single woman I'd marry that I wouldn't want to jerk it to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/14 05:16 PM
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This has to do with women valuing strength and assuring loyalty. IE: good strong protector is a higher chance of survival for her and offspring. This shit is built in ladies and it makes perfect sense for the same reason guys like facial symmetry and hip to waist ratio (signs of good genes). Why are you labeled blue pill woman? This is straight up red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/14 05:15 PM
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So start your own company that hires fat ugly chicks. That's what I did when I couldn't get a job. I started my own company. You seem to think that men are in charge. The reality is: a select few people are in charge, and they got that way by making their own rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/14 05:13 PM
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No fault divorce was something feminists pushed for under the guise that the setup before encouraged battered women to stay with their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/14 05:11 PM
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What is a glass ceiling? I mean really, think about this. As a guy, I had no luck getting a job. The job market is tough, it's just terrible. What did I do? I worked shitty jobs, saved up my money, and started my own business. You're telling me that the fact that I own a company is because of male sexism? No, it's because I went out and made it happen. Women just never understand that if you want excellence, you have to make it for yourself. The fact that you still think you need to depend on me…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/14 07:31 PM
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A feminist is somebody who believes that their feelings define inequality over any real fact, they completely deny reality and deal entirely in shoulds and ideals, they don't like the cold hard truths of the free market, so they try to manipulate it to make themselves feel more equal without ever considering the fact that they are neither physically capable of taking on the same number of responsibilities as men, nor intend on taking on any of men's responsibilities anyway. Some ways that femini…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/14 07:27 PM
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Good for you- but if you want me to hold the snark, you realize you asking me to empathize with you? And as a woman, you should be perfectly suited for the empathy while I'm suited to go out and actually do something. why should I respond to you with empathy, not aggression? Because people like me protect people like you so you can live your privileged life, never seeing an ounce of violence, going on the internet to bitch about how oppressed you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/14 05:20 PM
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I'm sure you are the very model of a career soldier and have fought and killed many people? I served, and don't appreciate your snark. most males do not end up fighters and killers But most fighters and killers are male- and most importantly, preparing for war time is important, even when we're not at war. It's like saying you don't need to save up any money for emergencies, because there aren't any emergencies right now. Most female soldiers that get the job done aren't really all that empathet…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/14 04:03 PM
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You can't teach empathy to a child that you expect to have fight and kill some day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/14 03:17 PM
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Would you say that all is fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/14 03:16 PM
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I search for truth only.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 07:57 PM
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Well, technically there are no datapoints between the 25-29 mark and the 30-39 mark. We might find the wall actually starts later in the 30s but that's how they grouped them.
/r/TheRedPill14/03/14 07:55 PM
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Women hit the wall at 30-39, men's increases to a maximum there.
/r/TheRedPill14/03/14 07:54 PM
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That would be in theory, in practice, it's only the men who will go to jail for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 07:53 PM
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I think that this graph can help illustrate how many we lose between each group to marriage. Also, on the side, it shows that never-marrieds are becoming more popular. http://dalrock.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/whitenonhispanicnevermarried25to49.png?w=640&h=474
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 05:18 PM
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And? It implies simply that if girls don't partner up, they can't get sex after 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 05:06 PM
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They're comparing it to men. In a crude way, that's all we know. And our culture has been so busy telling us women are men, it's the best way to compare the two. I'm sure there are benefits to a woman's mind, but as a guy I don't really understand them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 04:38 PM
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But incel guys can always get a female prostitute. Incel women can just log on to okcupid and get sexually propositioned by a sad sack. That's not true. Where I live that's illegal, I'd never chance it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 04:19 PM
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But that's just it- you project it as mocking. Whereas we see it as reality and discuss it as so. Women don't develop thought processes like men do. The only thing worth mocking is that anybody pretends they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 04:08 PM
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without being emotionally degrading to half of the population. Yeah but you see, this is the part where we disagree. You're calling a bunch of this stuff degrading.. but the thing is- in a man's mind, he needs to understand the frame of mind to react to certain situations. When he's "treating you like a child" he's not literally thinking about you in 10 year old's panties. He's thinking, when she flips her shit and starts yelling, do I respond to her outbursts and try to defend myself? "you did …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 03:36 PM
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Fucking fantastic. Is this on TRP? Edit: So I saw that the link has been posted but I didn't see any graphs so I made some: Single People, No sex in the past year Implied SMV chart Other notable graphs: Married, No sex in past year Parntered, No sex in past year
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 03:26 PM
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The type of women that will treat you in a way that will never make you feel the need to control and manipulate them in order to feel valued or respected in a relationship in the first place, are the same women that will expect the same from you. I wish that were true, but the one thing that's common across all the women that have ever needed gaming (all of them) is that they all universally deny that they need and like it. Also, it should be said, that nothing I have said here has precluded res…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 03:08 PM
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Haha, thanks. I am astounded by the number of people here who blatantly misinterpret analogies to mean something they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 03:05 PM
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I am of the opinion that not all women are like that, and even more so, most women can't afford to be like that, but that the principles are at play with all women. That is, if you consider yourself normal with normal values, then you are her turned down 50%. Guys still have to compete, but the competition has the volume turned down. If guys with really hot bods start hitting on you daily, you're not going to just start dating fatties because you value honesty and respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 02:58 PM
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Explains a lot. Women tell eachother all the time that short hair "works" on their friends. There's a reason: Because women are attracted to short hair. Because women love it when their friends are worse competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 02:56 PM
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giving tribe building flattery. Can you expand on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 02:54 PM
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good therapy with a good therapist. Your dating life is probably not your only problem. Eh, I think that's overrated. You can vent to a good friend for the price of a beer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 02:54 PM
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In every happily married couple's bed, a rapist sleeps.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 02:52 PM
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Until your complaints are that women are being killed more than men, I will interpret your complaints as privileged whining akin to the prince complaining that his cheese is too dry.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/14 02:50 PM
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I'm not going to read all that dude. Of course not, you're a blue piller. Wouldn't expect anything more. Wouldn't want to accidentally learn something or gasp change your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 05:50 PM
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I guess you couldn't connect the dots, so here we go. If you pick B for question 1, that means that you are not compatible with your ex. For what ever reason, she dumps you, you dump her, you guys aren't together. It didn't work out. So when "shopping" for a compatible mate, does it make sense to look through your list of incompatible people? No. When looking in a grocery store, do you expect milk? Yes. Bad analogy. When looking through trash, do you expect to find treasure? No. Good analogy. Do…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 05:40 PM
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Ex-girlfriends are: A. Somebody you work well with and you dumped (or were dumped by) them for no reason B. Somebody you are not compatible with. You should include ex girlfriends in your list of available options like you should : A. Look for milk in a grocery store B. Look for treasure in a refuse pile If you answered B to both... .. oh fuck it I don't even have the energy to explain analogies to another blue piller
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 05:20 PM
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I'm not so sure, it depends on your definition of advantage. For instance, it's true that women may not experience all of the high points that men do, such as becoming CEO, or being the fastest person on earth, or other such things. But if men go to war to protect women, I'd consider even a boring life better than a dangerous one. If men make money to bring home to the family, I'd consider marrying into money a better life than one one hard and dangerous labor (90% of workplace deaths are men!) …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 04:09 PM
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Hey guys how do I be more attractive to women? You know, really interest them? I just feel like a loser and it makes me depressed... Be attractive, be interesting, don't be a depressed loser Oh, thanks guys!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 04:04 PM
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The nature of an analogy isn't to prove something via analog, it's to demonstrate the relationship between two things from a different perspective. Explaining that ex girlfriends are "garbage that you shouldn't be rooting through" isn't literal, nobody thinks that girlfriends literally collect at a land fill.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 03:28 PM
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The openly crass nature of TRP is largely why so many people are offended by it, but they fail to realize it's a common method of interaction between males. Most women never see it precisely because of the backlash you see against TRP. Men know to keep it to within themselves. This is very true. Before I ever discovered the red pill, men talked like this in the locker room or when we hung out without girls. It was normal. Brash. We would make fun of one of the guys cause he has to leave early to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 03:01 PM
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No, I agree that marriage and religion were man's attempt at controlling female sexuality and hypergamy (because we knew how much power they hold)... But, that doesn't change the fact that the feminine imperative is an inflationary control. I believe that the feminine imperative is normal for our species, and has always existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 02:49 PM
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I was pointing out that things worth having take work (using those as examples, not as concrete goals everybody has), and you just decided the things I want aren't worth having. It was a bastard move.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 02:46 PM
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In the mating market I think women do have the advantage. They have upwards class mobility, something men don't have through anything but hard work, and if a woman is smart enough to settle while her looks are good, she can succeed with a family. Whereas a man doesn't need to be smart enough to settle on any one person- he needs to be smart enough to even reach square one: attract somebody. For the attractive guys out there getting laid every night, this might seem like the score is balanced. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 02:44 PM
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The big problem with blue pillers is that they don't believe bell curves exist. They deny that certain behaviors are attractive to the majority of women. And because other behaviors are indeed attractive but only to a tiny, tiny minority of women, they deny that those behaviors are unattractive to the majority. Not only that, but either by coincidence, or by design, these falsities, half truths, or misunderstandings, when repeated, help erect a culture which inflates women's sexual market value.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 02:35 PM
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So what you're saying is that my list of achievements that I value and take hard work, dedication and skill, and are not accomplished by many people.. are worthless... This is a great example of being ridiculous to avoid accidentally agreeing with a red piller. Those achievements aren't superficial, they're real life goals and real people do have them, and they take real work to get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 02:29 PM
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It would appear that like many of your kind here (BPers) you don't really understand how analogies work. Nobody is calling anybody literal garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 02:11 PM
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Because heaven forbid someone concede a point to the scary redpillians They would argue that the sky isn't blue to avoid conceding a point. "But really, what's blue anyway? The sky is actually black, it's just light refraction! It's sometimes red! DEFINE SKY"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 02:10 PM
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Dating happens to them. Just like sex happens to them. That's why in california, with the new law that might pass, if neither party consents verbally, they haul the man off to jail. Women aren't people, it would seem to california legislators. Let's see how feminists react. Oh, wait, I hear this is a feminist bill..? Well .. women aren't people, you heard the feminists!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 02:07 PM
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This is the reason I have a red pill flair. I have a strategy and I'm genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 02:06 PM
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I don't think this one is just culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 02:05 PM
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Yeah, that's just you. http://www.buzzreactor.com/sites/default/files/Emma%20Watson.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 02:04 PM
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Yeah, climbing mountains, inventing shit and driving a nice car are superficial goals. Fuck those guys. Getting into shape is just as bad as getting fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 02:01 PM
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Cute, your poor privates. I'll say a prayer for them from the battlefield. In case you're keeping oppression olympics scores, I think one is a problem you die from.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 12:28 AM
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You can't separate the knowledge.I understand, and my active approach? I mean, you actually took away from this that approaching women with boyfriends is my strategy? Like, no joke? Like for real, your mind read these words and it painted this picture for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/14 12:26 AM
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KaliYugaz thinks that getting a hot girlfriend isn't worth the struggle, and that I'm needlessly struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 05:22 PM
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A a hot trophy girlfriend who isn't really into you What? Who said the girl I get isn't in to me? My current girl is crazy about me. You just don't like the idea that I'm into sexy women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 04:56 PM
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This wasn't easy This wasn't easy This wasn't easy This wasn't easy I didn't say, the only thing worth doing is struggling, I said the only thing worth having is a struggle. You can be happy with this: This This This This But they weren't hard to do, and I certainly want nothing to do with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 04:43 PM
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Well let's see, if he would fight me, that tells me he's aggressive. It tells me that she knows that. according to BP standards that you haven't defined Let's ask BP. Is a man who fights other guys who approach his girlfriend.. is that healthy behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 04:29 PM
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how hard can it be if you take care of your body? This is basically the ignorance of the blue pill. It's not that easy. For men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 04:29 PM
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The advice on TRP is very dynamic and includes a lot of variables. It takes into account that women come from different directions and walks in life. It doesn't preclude any of these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 03:38 PM
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I reread the conversation and realize they replied "no" to the question. I guess I missed it. Will edit
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 03:35 PM
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The first clarification that he wasn't a woman was after I made the comment, and it wasn't because of how they were talking, it was the content- which showed a complete lack of experience in the male heterosexual marketplace. It was a logical conclusion. It was like a layperson explaining that being a doctor isn't hard because there's a cure for every disease. I'm 100% positive that if other mods think that 1. your gender is irrelevant in a conversation about mating, and 2. being accidentally mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 03:27 PM
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The only things worth having are a struggle. Anybody who thinks differently is ok with mediocrity. Your entire position on how mating works is word-for-word how women view it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 03:22 PM
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Excuse me CFRProflcopter, but you must think calling somebody a woman is an insult. I'm sorry you feel that way, but please stop with that shit, you're being a dick. I am calling this user a woman because it's quite obvious her experience in the dating market is from that side, not because I think her brain is tiny. That is your inference, and you might want to check yourself. Edit: This user has clarified they are not a woman. Doesn't change my opinion that this person has no experience dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 03:20 PM
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Yes, I think BP men can be as successful, but there are some factors to consider: Local market. Is there higher or lower demand for women? Some places have lower rates of women, and even the hottest guys have to compete for the scraps. Some markets are overwhelmed by women- I once visited a college that had a lot of liberal arts and one business program- so girls out numbered guys 8 to 1, those guys would get laid without thinking. Chance or circumstance: Guy going to the same school, church, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 03:19 PM
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The red pill isn't a rigid set of one-liners, I'm not sure where you got that impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 03:13 PM
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Bitter much? What? That I don't care about the dealings of ugly people? Why on earth would that make somebody bitter? Oh god I hate my beautiful life.. oh nooooo. There are plenty of 'BP' people with beautiful women as their partners. Don't delude yourself into thinking that you need to be a TRP-guy in order to get a 'hot' girlfriend. There are plenty of guys who convince themselves their girls are beautiful because they couldn't do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 03:06 PM
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Ok you are totally clueless. Am I reading you right here? If you have to struggle, you're doing it wrong? Jesus, that is the feminist mantra.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 03:04 PM
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Are you suggesting that formulating a plan before going out is more limiting than the blue pill advice which is "you can't formulate a plan in advance at all ever"?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 03:03 PM
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I'm just like everybody else- I don't care about getting laid. I care about getting laid by sexy. And if you don't think that's a competitive market, you've never worked a room before.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 02:39 PM
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Some women will find that attractive, but many others won't. The ´reality´ shows that many ´BP´ men are succesful. How would you explain that? Some women aren't hot enough to demand that much. But that doesn't mean they wouldn't if they were. TRP needs to let go of the idea that 'women' are a homogenous group when it comes to attraction. No, there are varying levels of women. Ugly women can't demand anything, and will likely settle for a nice blue pill guy. Congrats to them all in their little u…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 02:38 PM
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This fantasy TRP has about women at an advantage is fucking insane... Last time a stranger bought me a drink... was.. never. Last time we had a month dedicated to us .. was.. never. Last time we didn't make up a majority of workplace deaths... was.. never Last time I registered for the selective service .. was.. 18. Last time I was assumed awarded custody of a child because of my genitalia was... never.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 02:34 PM
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There is a male for every female This is just a very naive approach to the dating world. Are you a woman by any chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 02:30 PM
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Quick example- the hot chick- you know, the one everybody turns to see, she strolls in with her man-meat boyfriend. What do you suppose would happen if I approached her? Her boyfriend would be right there starting trouble. "Why are you talking to my lady?" He'd puff out his chest, and you know, if we fought, he'd probably win. But he would fight. If we had a post on TRP saying "women prefer men who will fight for them," blue pillers would go nuts- that's not true, what is this archaic cave-man a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 02:27 PM
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We might disagree on whether or not it is the case - but what if it were? At the end of the day, mating is a very competitive market, especially for sexy people. When you see the hottest woman in the room, and you realize what the dude with her did to get there- you realize a few things: He is not an upstanding fellow by blue pill standards. You will never be with her because she only selects guys who do what it takes. Unless you break the mold and do what it takes yourself. See the problem with…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 02:13 PM
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What if women only want to be mislead, and refuse to reward those who don't? Who is the real criminal?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 02:07 PM
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Now from what I've seen, the TRP method for dealing with rejection has more to do with telling yourself that women are inherently flawed for a whole slew of reasons (they're mentally children, they are incapable of love, they lack loyalty) and therefore it's not your fault you got rejected. It's a quick fix to make you feel better and it poisons your worldview. It's just about the opposite of what I personally would tell someone dealing with rejection. What? The advice on red pill is to eject an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 02:03 PM
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People who can't find a woman, or can't be successful are looking for proactive advice on how to improve their lives. To suggest that good advice doesn't/can't exist is basically saying that you have no better alternative to the red pill. The red pill is trying, and it looks like guys are sick of hearing "there's no order to the universe, just bang your head against a wall until magic happens.." The men have spoken, they want process, not magic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/14 01:37 PM
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I'm 30 in a few months, and boy do 18 year old girls like me now. Never did before.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/14 07:37 PM
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As somebody who dates 18-20 year olds like it's my job, I think you'll find that's not terribly true.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/14 07:30 PM
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The red pill is dedicated on dating women. If you have all the experience in the world dating men, that's fine, but if you have no experience in the field of women then do not purport to know better than we do. At no point is asking for general dating advice presupposing that we wouldn't want to connect as well. But to assume you can just attract a lady the same way you would a dude, well, I got news.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/14 07:29 PM
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Really makes you wonder how big of saps we are arguing in straight talk with everybody here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/14 07:26 PM
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So you don't care before hand which genitalia they have?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/14 07:22 PM
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The wall doesn't have a set age, I don't know where you got this idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/14 07:22 PM
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No surprises here, blue pillers don't have advice, they have a list of don'ts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/14 02:33 PM
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Would you look at that? A list of don'ts. Blue pill has no idea how to date a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/14 02:32 PM
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Anything. Let's start with how do you approach a woman, get her interested enough to have a jumping-off point that may lead to LTR or ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/14 02:30 PM
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It does get better as you age. I have more luck with 18 year olds as I approach 30 than I ever did at 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/14 02:29 PM
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I've never argued against some people having a makeup fetish, I argued that makeup isn't in itself solely a fetish. This isn't me doubling down, this is me repeating myself a few times because you have yet to comprehend what I've said and you continue to misaddress my argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/14 02:28 PM
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Would you marry a woman who was uglier, poorer, dumber and less-educated than you? Picking from my pool of options, there aren't any that don't fit that description. And not because I'm overwhelmingly beautiful or rich, but quite the opposite. (I'm being a little facetious here, I have improved my looks and have gotten better looking women in the past few years. But looking at my life in general..)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/14 02:26 PM
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It's nonsense advice that has no meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/14 02:24 PM
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Indeed, many people here will miss the forest for the trees.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/14 02:20 PM
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Hypergamy is discussed a lot, but I think this trend also has something to do with men not wanting to marry women that outearn/are smarter than them. In my blue pill days, I'd have married a smarter, more successful woman if she was hot and we were compatible. The only thing different about me now is I understand the chances of her getting bored/moving on would be so high, it would be a terrible risk to marry. It really is women who don't like underlings, not men who hate smarter people. Remembe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/14 09:46 PM
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So much freedom to find the music you like, when all the genres are thrown away and each song is treated as unique music with no similarities to anything else!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/14 09:41 PM
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My argument was fine, you took exception to the argument incorrectly, and I've corrected you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/14 09:40 PM
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If you think that makeup, in fact, is used to boost attractiveness, then I see no reason for you to argue with me. There's no deliberate misinterpretation. You are debating me. I have to assume it's because you have a different position. It doesn't make sense to argue with me for the same position.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/14 02:24 PM
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You've really put a lot of effort into talking about all the different ways to use makeup and in your mind, how none of them are about attracting mates. I've never seen somebody spin so hard to disprove something so commonly understood. You couldn't steer an addict to morphine. I'd take that as an insult if the rest of what you write wasn't complete nonsense. In your long diatribe here, you're trying so hard to avoid addressing the very simple point that putting on makeup is to boost attractiven…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/14 02:19 PM
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Maybe both masculinity and femininity are so fundamentally beyond reproach and we should just abandon it all and just be plain human beings. I don't even know anymore. And maybe music should just be monotone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/14 02:15 PM
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That doesn't dispute a claim of fetish...because it doesn't prove that it has anything to do with men at all. And again, school girl lingerie is everywhere, but it's still a fetish. It doesn't dispute that some people might have a fetish- but it does preclude makeup wearing as only a fetish. his claim doesn't need refuting because it doesn't matter. How does saying a man might chose a girl with make-up over one without mean that make-up's purpose is attraction? Are mustaches main purpose attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/14 10:33 PM
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Blue pill translator: Are you asking this as a means of simple interaction with women? I can't imagine you need help talking to someone platonically? You mean you don't find interaction with women simple or intuitive? It is for everybody else so ... If so... that's not good and you're too far gone. Nothing can help you. Wasn't this just in the gaslight thread? Another prime example of denial that men might have a problem attracting mates. When confronted with the red pill, blue pillers say "it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/14 04:13 PM
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I don't know what you are talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/14 03:06 PM
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Wanting to marry her, and expecting her to marry you are two very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/14 02:25 PM
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Fetish: a form of sexual desire in which gratification is linked to an abnormal degree to a particular object, item of clothing, part of the body, etc. Getting turned on by a girl in a Britney Spears-esque school girl outfit is a fetish, but it's a very common one. fetish implies abnormal, or a subset of normal sexual desires. But it being a huge industry does nothing to prove that it is popular because women use it to attract men, merely that it is popular. I explained that it was a huge indust…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/14 02:20 PM
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I do not think there has been a reliable statistic saying the red pill is 18-24 year olds, and using this fake stat is nothing more than debate posturing. I am 30, and there are a number of older guys I know of personally on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/14 02:11 PM
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When people start arguing about such very simple things, just to keep their "nothing is knowable" standpoint, I can't help but feel it reinforces my beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/14 02:09 PM
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I think women are more likely to interpret male desire as entitlement because that is how women are about their own desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 10:49 PM
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No I just extrapolated on your assertions in a hypothetical, that's why I wrote: let's just entertain this ridiculous version of the nice guy for a second. You seem hellbent on not reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 10:41 PM
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Do you at least recognize the irony of arguing that you're the "opposite of shirking responsibility" in the same sentence as you claim "they did this to us?" Let's say when you were born, your whole family taught you that blue was green. Everybody around you mixed up the colors, and you had no way of knowing that blue was actually blue. One day, you look into it, maybe you check the internet or a book somewhere, and much to your surprise, it turns out blue is blue, not green at all! Was it your …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 10:28 PM
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You've conflated apples and oranges. It's a good thing I'm here to steer you straight. I have asked you point blank if you think makeup has nothing to do with attraction. You sidestepped it by trying to imply that if it did, it was a fetish- fetish implies abnormal, or a subset of normal sexual desires. I explained that it was a huge industry, to dispute your claim of fetish. I have yet to hear you explain why makeup isn't about attraction. I have yet to hear you refute my claim that a guy might…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 10:26 PM
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Evidence that women are clueless about the male experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 10:18 PM
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Leave me out of your makeup fetish, man. :P It's such a fetish that it's a $426 billion industry. do you think the mostly female user base over at /r/makeupaddiction[1] need or do that level of skill and artifice with cosmetics just to get a guy erect and interested? Next to somebody who spent more than 3 minutes getting ready to go out? Yes. I think you will be passed over for nicer looking women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 10:16 PM
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So you're implying that makeup has nothing to do with attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 10:08 PM
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Because you have not really shown much of anything beyond what I already knew- blue pill is the dominant social construct, people will fight any challenges to this world view. I am just telling you that A. TRP is much larger than this debate is making them seem, and B. That the dissent on reddit is much smaller than you assume.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:57 PM
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I, for one, do not engage in those discussions because I know what's politically correct and what a few unread people will argue if I try- There are others like me, so at best you've got yourself a nice confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:51 PM
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If you continued your line of reasoning, would your next line be something like "Well-Duh!" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:48 PM
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Ah, red pill theory to the rescue!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:47 PM
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When we were growing up and learning how to interact with others.. did we emerge from the womb grown adults? And yet, here's a sub dedicated to taking the reigns- dedicated to self improvement. We have outgrown our youthful selves. And we have the insight and emotional honesty to understand it was our families and communities that instilled such shitty ideas into us... that makes us a cult that can't accept responsibility? What they did to us was not our fault- but what we do in light of this in…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:46 PM
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Your version of the numbers is just as ridiculous. It hasn't been shown that reddit is anti red pill at all. I'm not saying it's not a minority. I'm saying that it's too big to write off as a few losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:41 PM
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But let's just entertain this ridiculous version of the nice guy for a second. What if he is being nice because he wants intimacy? We could say it's likely that's because he likes her. Why is that bad? Because he's male? Why is sex considered evil? Why is offering to be nice to somebody to get them to like you evil? It's not- women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:40 PM
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This included potential votes of TRP-like readers already. Except the red pill regularly explains that we shouldnt' vote on such things because it gets us shadow banned. I don't even vote here out of fear that it'll be considered "brigading.." Needless to say, it's safe to assume that at least a majority of subscribers on TRP support its theories. If that's true then we have to assume that they would vote positively towards the red pill if they were to vote at all, and potentially don't vote or …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:36 PM
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Not murdering each other's infants. Lipstick... accomplishes this...? More of whatever the resources we control. And getting a man's resources... has nothing to do with him being attracted to you? Being seen as being more influential in the group's direction. And lipstick... does what precisely? Getting social forgiveness for transgressions of the tribal code. That doesn't sound like competition... it sounds like trying to avoid competition. Men aren't the only thing that women fight over, and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:35 PM
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I don't think that's a fair assessment. For some people like me- losing religion and learning the red pill were two such experiences. Very similar in the sense that my world view was inescapably changed. But that's where the similarities end. The red pill claims to be unique because there is no other group discussing these same theories, not because unplugging is a unique experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:33 PM
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103%
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:32 PM
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You can't say 'if every TRP voter would vote the score would be positive', since you would need to add an equal sample of non-TRP voters to get the true number. I can, because as we've seen, the rest of reddit has already spoken.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:31 PM
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3298 to 1383 to 40,000 1731 to 428 to 40,000 3014 to 968 to 40,000 I think this is evidence that the red pill doesn't brigade. Furthermore, they don't even allow linking.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:14 PM
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RES shows the raw numbers. The raw numbers are orders of magnitude smaller than the subscriber count on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:14 PM
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Right, non advice- that further digs clueless men into the hole of "but I thought that's what I was doing.. I guess I'll continue waiting for magic.."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:12 PM
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It's a similar feeling losing religion too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 09:05 PM
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I put on makeup primarily out of competitiveness What do you suppose that spirit of competition was borne out of, and what for?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 08:53 PM
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You're not familiar with the red pill, are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 08:40 PM
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The guy who is eager to please his friends is a good friend to have. Guys translate that to nice behavior. They are told be nice to women. They fail with women. Get confused. PPD exclaims that this should've been clear from the start. I will remind you that we also had to learn language from our surroundings, family, and culture too. Who would've thought? But that's not legitimately nice IMO Yes is it. Don't redefine words to fit your world view. "bribe" the other person Is not what was describe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 08:36 PM
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So many women didn't like those types that the red pill men never had trouble dating and the red pill was never invented.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 08:34 PM
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If you're going to argue raw numbers, the common downvote tallies when TRP is brought up are around 700-1400. Hardly indicative of the population. In fact, if TRPers were aware of these posts, you'd probably see them with positive counts. Since there are more of us than those negative counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 08:34 PM
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And nobody thought being nice was a cheat code- they assumed it would be like putting on a hat- something to make yourself look as good as possible. (perhaps a fedora) The problem isn't whether nice was effective or ineffective- it was that "nice" that we were taught is actually detrimental. You have to be aloof, confident, not too needy, don't offer help- if you're too friendly you'll look desperate, if you allow her to use you, she'll lose respect for you (things you'd normally do for friends)…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 08:22 PM
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Receiving bad advice and owning ones failures are not mutually exclusive concepts. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 08:16 PM
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In highschool, I knew of the hyper masculine world. Fast cars, jerks, hip hop, jocks.. it was there. And it was taught to me that real women (TM) didn't like those types, that they'd end up poor and lonely townies working at a gas station after highschool. My mom, my family, everybody reinforced this. Then you have under-dog movies about how the nerd finally gets the girl in the end, and you think, "good, I can't wait." In school, the nerds like myself were punished especially hard when we stepp…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 08:10 PM
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Even here on PPD I see blue pillers often use the trope "why don't you just treat women like people?" What I'm saying is, of course you don't recognize how many people get bad advice when you don't recognize bad advice to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 08:05 PM
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First of all, 40,000 is not a small number. Secondly, it's not like every person on the planet visited the red pill and clicked "yes" or "no." It's growing in the hundreds daily. So you really can't use the size of all of reddit in it's entirety against a sub that's still gaining traction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 08:03 PM
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Also, being nice to people doesn't mean that they will automatically want to date you Can we just get rid of this tired argument? Of course it doesn't mean that. Nobody implies that. The idea that our parents and culture is supposed to teach us how to find and be selected by a mate is what's on topic here. Girls don't put on makeup because they think "this will force guys to love me" they put it on to heighten their chances of finding a guy who will be interested. This just further proves how ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 07:59 PM
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Ironically, we have a group of 40,000 guys saying they've gotten bad advice from parents, family, television, and school- and here on PPD we have a bunch of people doing exactly what's illustrated in your article.. "I've never heard such terrible advice! They must be crazy..." "I have never heard anyone say anything" Of course, kangajoe, nobody phrases it that way, they just teach the man out of you. They teach you the "right" way to progress.. touchy-feely anti-masculine bullshit. They teach yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 07:48 PM
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The difference, of course, isn't that men and women commit crimes- it's that the institution dealing with these criminals is set up in such a way that women do not suffer the same consequences. Your analogy fails in this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 07:45 PM
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But the principles don't change. The women who don't fit this stereotype have overcome in spite of our culture, not because of it. All you had to do was read the next paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/14 07:44 PM
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It's not evidence! It's just a compilation of evidence that things that simply cannot happen for men are happening for women. Wait a second.. It's not evidence! It's just a compilation of evidence Are you saying that .. these news stories are falsified?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/14 03:05 PM
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I think that women suffer fewer consequences than men, (though not necessarily by their own doing, men enable this), and therefore have a different view on responsibility. I think men translate this to childish behavior. I can give some examples from women I've observed in my life- In a bar, women picking fights with guys that could literally kill them. Something guys know not to do. When girls do it, they can usually get the guy kicked out of the bar. She will likely emerge unscathed. Making po…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/14 02:57 PM
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So you simply cannot acknowledge that it could be possible. Yet here is evidence that out culture simply does not hold women accountable for their actions. It's not that far fetched. http://www.reddit.com/r/pussypass You call it misogyny, I call it impossible to ignore.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/14 06:18 PM
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Every woman I have met appears to act without understanding or concern for consequence, and has presented very little understanding of responsibility. They have fervently broken laws, or acted irrationally or emotionally in places that would cause irreparable harm to themselves or to relationships if their actions were performed by men. Is my observation misogyny? If it is, what does that say about the women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/14 05:55 PM
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I hold the opinion that women are agents and can decide on their own how much is ok to drink, and who they want to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/14 03:18 PM
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In fact, wait- let's look at the facts. Checking history... oh look, your post wasn't deleted. "To be honest I don't agree with the majority of TRP philosophy, mostly because I'm female and I see a ton of general woman-bashing in this community. " And they banned you? Color me surprised. Looks like they didn't really care for another woman showing up to shame them. Really. They didn't block the content or the discussion, they blocked you and your attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/14 02:54 PM
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Whenever somebody makes this claim, they leave out the part where they broke the rules in doing so. "Guys, all I said was look at this study, so maybe you should stop being misogynists!" Why was I deleted? I was Just Asking Questions??
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/14 02:51 PM
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The interesting question is why you think you have to take advice from men who degrade women in order to get laid. The interesting question is why do you think women are immune to scrutiny?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/14 02:50 PM
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Seriously. Buy girls drinks and .. get laid.. There's a step two missing here. ???
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/14 02:49 PM
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Buy girls drinks to get laid? This guy has never been to bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/14 02:48 PM
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If normal, easy to reach advice for men that was effective existed, would they not turn to that advice when this terrible get-rich-quick scheme proved not to work?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/14 02:44 PM
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Don't you think it's odd that with 40,000 subscribers, every time the topic is brought up, those 40,000 people don't chime in? Is it possible we're getting a biased view every time the topic is brought up? That's a rhetorical question. The answer is, by definition yes it's a biased view. Clearly those who favor the red pill have learned not to bother chiming in. It's like saying slavery wasn't that bad because every time there was a public debate, the white people were totally in favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/14 02:43 PM
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Just because you don't want kids doesn't mean your biological imperatives suddenly stop. It's like trying to lose weight- just because your goals changed and you change your food intake, doesn't stop you from being hungry.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/14 02:40 PM
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Approximate score 800. Current count of subscribers: 40,000. I don't think that shows what you're trying to make it show.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/14 10:03 PM
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If normal, easy to reach advice for men that was effective existed, why are so many people flocking to the red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/14 09:58 PM
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The people who choose to speak out against the red pill are anti red pill? Interesting. I don't think that really says much, other than how militant blue pillers are that they try and shame and stifle the conversation any time it comes up. It always looks like a few users doing it at a time. I would hardly call that a majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/14 09:51 PM
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In context of the red pill, the blue pill refers to the rejection of reality. I'm not commenting on the veracity, I'm explaining that it is not synonymous with "beta."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/14 09:48 PM
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Even TRP admits that a relationship requires something more purple than just blue or red. To be fair, I think TRP talks about embracing beta traits in LTRs along side Alpha traits. I wouldn't call it a mixture of red and blue, because the blue pill represents people who outright deny reality, not people who are betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/14 02:23 PM
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It's because TRP is all about one sex manipulating the other. I agree, it's all about how women manipulate men, and how to counter-balance that manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/14 02:21 PM
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Yeah I'm calling troll on this one
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/14 07:32 PM
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No I don't date both men and women. Why not, if there's no difference? They're exactly the same aren't they? I think you should wear a trash bag to work, I think life will be more interesting for you if you did ;) If you're going to debate honestly here, you will acknowledge that this would be a negative thing to do and it would cost me my livelihood. You have a penis and she has a vagina. You were basically made for each other. So you think that guarantees me to access to a vagina? How old are …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/14 04:53 PM
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So you think women should be shielded from the reality that her outcomes and consequences have been affected by her decisions? She's single and 40, but it was clearly the universe conspiring against her! Yeah, somebody in this day in age has every resource available to them to learn how to get a long term partner. If she ignores that advice and fucks as many guys as she can- she's a slut whether or not you approve of the language. And look, here's the consequences. She's human. Don't like the id…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/14 04:34 PM
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Yes, I think racists should be ignored. Just like I ignore religious people. If neither are breaking the law, I don't give a fuck. Thank you first amendment!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/14 04:24 PM
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I don't really believe in gender that much. So, do you date both men and women? I don't waste energy trying to conform to a gender role. I act the way I want to act without caring how it will be perceived. I just dress how ever I want, I don't care how it's perceived. I outright refuse to acknowledge that wearing a trash bag instead of a suit to a job interview will affect my chances, likewise I outright refuse to acknowledge that sometimes conforming to gender norms is required to attract a mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/14 04:22 PM
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Huge sex party once a month, and lock your doors for a week.
/r/TheRedPill26/02/14 06:37 PM
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So the question should be asked- do you hang around the local white supremacist chapter and hang on to their words and complain about them too? Or do you just ignore them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/14 04:30 PM
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I just don't think you're using bigotry correctly here- by virtue of having a view or opinion, you're going to think conflicting opinions or views are wrong. If I think that gravity pulls us down to earth, by nature of having this opinion, I'm going to think anybody who says otherwise is wrong. That doesn't make me a bigot. Bigotry is intolerance towards people making their own choices in life. Perhaps intolerance of gay people. But that's not what the red pill is doing when they analyze other p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/14 03:45 PM
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Viewing human interactions as a competitive game is a problem in and of itself. It's a problem to you because it offends your sensibilities, but I don't really think you've made much of an argument here other than convey that you're uncomfortable with something. Imagine if I used similar reasoning- learning to speak to strangers is a problem in and of itself. I am uncomfortable with it, therefore I don't think anybody should learn to become a waiter. You see, the problem is that you're coming he…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/14 03:36 PM
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Infidelity is an at-fault divorce and isn't being counted in the no-fault filings.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/14 09:55 PM
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But does it really? Like, with an actual individual person a man is actually dealing with? Let's say you're playing chess. You don't know your opponent's next move. There's no way to read inside his mind. But what you can do is make a move that will give you the maximum number of successful outcomes. Programmers do this when they make AI, it's called a minimax tree. Now a good chess player may force the other player's move by making calculated loss attacks- ones that don't directly appear to mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/14 09:46 PM
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Here's a simple one: why is the masculine physique considered sexy on men, but not preferred on women? Before you answer cultural norms... think about it for a second. Did we condition gay people to become gay too? Or were they born that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/14 03:40 PM
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I don't care if culture, biology, or jesus christ himself made people act the way they did. All I care about is that red pill philosophy models it quite accurately.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/14 03:38 PM
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The problem as I see it is that the red pill isn't so much a specific set of facts, but instead folk knowledge and fatherly wisdom that is passed down from generation to generation. It doesn't have to survive scrutiny, it just needs to be effective to help steer somebody's life. Anybody criticizing red pill assumptions with a claim like "you don't have a double blind study for that!!" is missing the point. Everybody makes decisions in their lives based on limited knowledge. Nobody knows everythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/14 03:35 PM
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In a partnership between two people where the vow is "for better, for worse," it's already accepted that the "for worse" part can happen, and will be perpetrated by one or both parties. They literally preempt it by putting it in the vows. If you fall out of love with your husband and divorce him because everything he does suddenly irks you, you are breaking a vow that you took, and didn't take it seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/14 03:32 PM
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It doesn't mean that women couldn't be in those positions it just means that fewer actually want to try. But then you'd have to accept the inherent difference in men and women's preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/14 03:30 PM
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I could never respect her as commander in chief.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/14 03:54 PM
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This sums up my complaint with her: Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/14 10:50 PM
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Girl gets jealous when I do something that isn't really jealous-worthy- such as is sure that a dream she had with me cheating actually happened.. starts demanding that I show her more appreciation. It's a trap- you do it and she loses respect for you. Girl makes demands- but doesn't really want them complied with. If you do, she loses respect for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/14 09:18 PM
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I found myself losing in long term relationships. It seemed like no matter what, eventually the girl would lose interest in me. I was starting off pretty alpha, but would treat their requests seriously and effectively beta-tized myself, which lost their attraction. I know now exactly how to prevent it from happening and it's gotten me much better results.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/14 05:58 PM
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Not that I would have stopped. So they made a good decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/14 01:59 AM
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That's right, I dislike the idea of enforcement-rape When debating what does and does not constitute "rape" you cannot use the term "rape" in your definition. You and I are not in agreement about what could be freely considered consent, and therefore do not agree on what's rape. You are not the authority. Stop affirming the consequent, and using a tautology at that. It's rape because it's rape? That's hardly an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/14 03:09 PM
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Constantly addressing things in spectrums or bell curves with every discussion would result in a lot of unproductive debates and open leeway to exceptions being discussed more than valid hypotheses. You have to be willing to accept and internalize harsh realities, regardless of the capacity for outliers. This equips you with the best tools, a stellar framework, and orients you toward the greatest success. Mind you, not everybody understands thinking this way- they dedicated an entire subreddit t…
/r/TheRedPill12/02/14 06:43 PM
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Actually I just had a conversation with the mods last night that said that this sub isn't really about just debating /r/TheRedPill. Funny. So you do not challenge the efficacy or usefulness of the red pill, and your participation here is completely unrelated? That I seriously do not believe, and you'd be crooked to suggest it. What if rather than saying "look up" I said "the sky's spectrum doesn't include light with a wavelength ~510 nm"? I have offered no alternative, but I have dealt a fatal b…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/14 06:04 PM
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There was no challenging of efficacy or usefulness in that post. I am, of course, speaking to the context of your very presence here on ppd, which precedes all conversations. I don't see how that would preclude me or contradict me from asking what you think is good (in form, quality, content, etc.) advice It doesn't preclude you challenging something, but when the entirety of your challenge does not bring forth a model that has better results, it's a useless challenge. Imagine somebody saying "I…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/14 03:19 PM
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Why would I be more specific? You are the one challenging the efficacy and usefulness of the red pill. It fills many needs: Comradery Tips on success with relationships Tips on success with sex Financial security tips in spite of divorce culture Reassurance that feelings you've had your entire life don't make you a sexual predator Tips that ACTUALLY get results
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/14 02:57 PM
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could you give me an example of advice that people should emulate and why they should emulate it? /r/theredpill in its entirety what you would need to replace.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/14 02:51 PM
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So you have absolutely no clue why the red pill exists, why it became popular, what questions it answers for men, and why men need help in these arenas? I mean really why on earth would you debate against something you know so little about?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/14 03:57 AM
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I don't understand what you want. Should I record some lines for you to say? I realize that sexual strategy must be a joke to you, but I take it seriously. Shame on you for treating such an important subject with such snideness. You want to know what advice people are looking for? Look no further than the advice tens of thousands of people have flocked to red pill looking for. It's pretty obvious what they want. You critique the red pill's advice, but offer no better alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/14 03:50 AM
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No, because demonstrating to me that I could try something with a different result would change my mind. Currently the best advice I've heard from blue pillers is "why don't you just treat her like a person??" Grand advice chief! Your example is better fitted if you came to me in a cave, and I said, "I believe the sky to be green because everybody likes green.. which is why I made a green bracelet to attract a mate" a reasonable but perhaps very mistaken view. Then you come to me and say "there'…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/14 03:40 AM
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No one is forcing men to marry women who don't have any college education, goals or aspirations. I think you're missing a few points here- first of which is that men have to choose from women who will have them. Women want to date up, so it's much more difficult for a man to "marry up." The problem with hypergamy as we see it is that if you try to marry up the issues will be even more present than if he marries down. Remember- it's women who want to marry up in the first place. You can't have me…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/14 03:37 AM
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If by "torn apart" you mean blithely dismissed with no alternative, then yeah, I'm going to ignore the blue pill parade until somebody has something substantive other than "nobody can ever know cause it's magic!"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/14 03:28 AM
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I don't think that women are emotionally children, nor do I think them getting the vote was a bad thing to happen in our history. I think most red pillers agree that women should be allowed to vote, but I think they all view it as part of the demise of our culture.. something that was bound to happen but was still bad nevertheless. I think that women obviously have their way of behaving, and it would take some willful ignorance to think men and women behave entirely alike.. but I truly believe w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/14 09:45 PM
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I consider myself thoroughly red pill, even though there are a lot of things I don't agree with on the red pill... there are a lot more things I do agree with. I consider the pragmatic approach to sexual relationships to be the same sort of critical thinking that I identify with. That's why I'm red pill. I am 0% blue pill because I consider observing reality to be more important than shoulds and ideals.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/14 09:27 PM
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TRP is constantly talking about how women are naturally driven to "hypergamy", which if I understand it correctly is the idea that women always want to "marry up" or want a mate that is better than them. Obviously this is not true all the time, only some of the time, but that's besides the point. My point is that TRP hates when women do this. Most of the circlejerks are complaining about women's natural instincts (find a mate that will care for your young and yourself while you mother them), and…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/14 09:07 PM
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So when you have casual sex with women that have casual sex like you do, who do you have sex with? People that disgust you and turn you off. I just don't ask. I only get turned off if they tell me about it. I would ask if I was considering her for long term. Thats the sort of thing I question about red pill, I don't question all of it, just what I see to be sexually and psychologically dysfunctional. Call it dysfunction all you'd like. I'd argue women are entirely dysfunctional, having sex with …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/14 07:15 PM
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First of all, you wouldn't. But secondly, again, you seem to really miss the point of the discussion in the first place. It seems that you're so quick to hate on red pillers, you have misunderstood the very conversation red pillers have. We discuss behaviors that have been socially normalized that we don't find attractive, and we discuss it being ok to be unattracted to. I am not interested in sluts, they turn me off. If you show me an example of a woman acting with impunity towards her poor chu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/14 06:54 PM
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No, you really don't get it- I don't care about anybody's private lives. You could nail your dick to a board or your tits to a rocket- it doesn't make any difference to me what you do with your life. Just know that in a forum dedicated to talking about sexual selection, talking about things we are attracted to, and things we aren't are relevant subjects. You flatter yourself to think we care about what you do. I couldn't care less if every fat chick on earth ate 18 pizzas a day and died without …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/14 06:45 PM
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You seem to believe that we care about what you do in your private life. We don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/14 06:23 PM
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They would look like what we now call oppression. They would be commitments enforced by society, culture, and law, that directly oppose human's nature to seek happiness through genetic variation. Some would accept their fates after marriage and make the best of it. Some would cheat and get away with it. Some would cheat and be ostracized. Feminists would paint this as strictly female oppression, and would attempt to dismantle the idea as quickly as possible, eventually demonizing the very people…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/14 06:20 PM
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Are you suggesting that as a man, I am not entitled to my preferences or feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/14 06:14 PM
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Using the term "rape" when debating the merits of willful surrender of agency is trying to move the goalposts, assuming the consequent and trying to use the word in the definition. My point stands, you don't like the idea of people willfully entering into an agreement with eachother if you don't approve of it. I have yet to see a refutation and consider this abortion of an argument over, since you will sprint a hundred miles an hour but you don't say anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/14 02:11 PM
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We have now established by your unwillingness to supply a direct answer: you believe that if someone consents to sex, they cannot withdraw their consent. No, we established that you get upset when you try to move goalposts and somebody doesn't take the bait. You're saying there is nothing morally wrong with raping (having "sex against the immediate will of the other party") them. You're a broken record that willfully misses the point. Let me know if you ever decide to try again with honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/14 02:23 AM
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What are you on about? You keep trying to move the goalposts... Do you suppose that a man in a combat position ordered to make a dangerous move isn't court marshaled for disobeying orders? I suspect you haven't spent much time in combat. I have. When you're in the sand pit, you don't have a life let alone agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/14 02:19 AM
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You don't like the idea of voluntarily joining the army because you might end up in a position where they can't renege then? My example was fine, you seem to dodging the implications of a voluntary contract that removes agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/14 02:11 AM
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So what happens if you change you mind mid combat? It would seem what you find acceptable isn't in line with reality....
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/14 02:02 AM
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In an attempt to build a coherent model that gives better predictability in the advice given, men since the beginning of time have conjectured and guessed at plausible ideas that might explain the phenomenon they see. The problem is that this group of ideas is inherently offensive to you, not that these men are doing anything different than any other men of any other generation. And, yes, a lot of philosophers came up with good ideas, and other ideas that were complete junk that were disproved o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/14 03:15 PM
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It's because the blue pill critique tries to dismantle a philosophy and personal strategy with "but there's no way to know, therefore you can't say you do." Simply by virtue of your position, you paint yourself into a corner that says "none of these things are known 100%," and extrapolates to "so there's nothing can be known, why bother trying?" Now I know blue pillers often leave out the last part, so it doesn't look so bleak, but the reality here is that nobody applies double blind peer review…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/14 02:59 PM
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One of the side effects of free will is that people will do what they want. Unfortunately, it also reveals part of the failures of third wave feminism to expose that left to their own devices, women like being women instead of pretending to be men. Feminists will scramble to fight something that doesn't match their already failed worldview instead of change their worldview to match reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/14 02:35 PM
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So it would seem you are against giving somebody complete and full control over themselves and their own agency. (i.e. you think there are contracts that people cannot willfully enter because you don't like them). Out of curiosity, how do you feel about contracts that put somebody in risk or danger of being killed? That seems like it takes away the immediate agency of a person, and I would say without a doubt it's against somebody's will to die in 99/100 cases... Or what about an assisted suicid…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/14 02:27 PM
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When nothing you do works, and you decide to take a more pragmatic approach, keeping track of what you try is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/14 02:25 PM
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You seem to be forgetting that having sex under a voluntary contract would be not against somebody's will, by definition. Looks to me like you were looking to stick the negative stigma to him without focusing on the voluntary aspect of the contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/14 02:32 AM
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Divorces don't necessarily come out of nowhere, women could be initiating divorces because the guys were cheating, gambling, alcoholics, etc. However, as a pact to stay with each other for better and for worse, women filing divorce for any reason is still proof that women don't take the vows seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 08:59 PM
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Saying that he probably agrees because he hasn't agreed or disagreed would make this entire subreddit pointless. Might as well say that until proven otherwise, everybody here prefers sex with dogs!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 08:24 PM
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So he hasn't agreed with the position, and doesn't need to deny it to prove he doesn't agree with the position... ...then your original assertion is patently false. he effectively agreed with the person who first stated that. FALSE.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 08:06 PM
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You wade through mounds of guys talking about attracting mates they fancy, and avoiding ones that will hurt them in the long run. We are not making any statements about their abilities to cure cancer. A few guys might make note that men are stronger and faster... and well that is true. I was not taking it literally, I was using your example figuratively. You just think that I was comparing the properties of chairs to that of women. Had you spent a minute to think about it, I think you'd have fig…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 07:44 PM
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Critique or discussion? A large portion of TRP discussion revolves around the idea that women are useless except for breeding and their wet holes. Useless... in what way? You are projecting how you feel onto red pillers. Women who do not comply with my standards are useless to me as a wife. But the girl who made my lunch was useful, and the one who filled my prescription at the pharmacy was useful. (and the one solving world hunger and so on and so on. Many women are more useful than I am! But a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 07:29 PM
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But the question is- until you denied it, was it true that you did rape and kill little boys?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 06:50 PM
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But the context of those is often apparent. Where does the context of TRP come from? When someone picks up an allegorical story, they already understand that it's an allegory. They've read about the story online or another individual has informed them of the allegorical nature. So you are saying that because you didn't see the apparent context, what is said must be lies? That's a rather egocentric view to take. What's happened here is that I gave a well thought out response and explained why I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 06:04 PM
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Do you rape and kill boys until you refute it? Edit: It's been a full minute since I asked, and I do not see a refutation, you must agree with raping and killing boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 05:56 PM
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Is it really effective communication if you need to lie to get your point across? Hyperbole, allegory, analogy, sarcasm, ...etc. I could point out a number of forms of communication that convey information. If you fail to understand the context of these things, you might think they are lies- but that doesn't change that they're not. I'm not telling you what to say, I'm telling you that what you're doing is lying, and I object to lying. You're telling somebody who isn't lying that you think they …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 05:46 PM
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Boston bars. I approach tons of women. Anybody and everybody. Every weekend until recently when I got a girlfriend. You don't have to go far to see this stuff in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 05:34 PM
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He effectively did not agree with this. He said "most men have an innate sexual attraction to young women who develop breasts, wide hips, long legs, and other secondary sexual characteristics which indicate their fertility."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 04:59 PM
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If it's not impossible to talk to a service rep about work without talking about every quality that makes them human- then it's not impossible to talk about women in relation to sex without talking about every quality that makes them human. Therefore: not dehumanizing despite omission of other topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 04:46 PM
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Because those "guesses" are stated like facts. You cannot predict how people will react to heuristics, so you cannot assert that you can. So your issue with red pill philosophy is that it's presented in a way you disapprove, despite it effectively communicating with those it was intended to speak to. Your fear is that if the language is not written in a way you approve, people might get the wrong idea- or at least they might get an idea that you don't approve of. I happen to know a group that te…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 04:42 PM
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I was establishing why critique or discussion does not imply hate by using an inanimate object to prove a point. Nobody hates chairs, it's absurd to consider. So the fact that all you could take from my example is that I think women are chairs.. well that establishes quite clearly in my mind why it is you take exception to the red pill- you simply do not understand abstract reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 04:28 PM
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Please quote me saying women are like chairs. Provide detail in which I explain in which ways they are precisely like chairs. Edit: I was establishing why critique or discussion does not imply hate by using an inanimate object to prove a point. Nobody hates chairs, it's absurd to consider. So the fact that all you could take from my example is that I think women are chairs.. well that establishes quite clearly in my mind why it is you take exception to the red pill- you simply do not understand …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 04:26 PM
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You're either making a huge jump between venting online and treating people like they're not human, or you are actually implying that it is literally impossible to interact with people without dehumanizing them. Unless you admit there's a way to make a phone call to a support rep, not ask them what they had for breakfast, and have that not be hate...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 04:22 PM
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Blue pill: Ted Mosby.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 03:31 PM
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We just aspired to be guys with zero luck with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 03:29 PM
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If you try to have a conversation with a chair, and I correct you and tell you chairs won't respond to talk, you have to sit in it for it to do it's job- would you say I advocate hate towards chairs?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 03:28 PM
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You're NOT an expert on women, or gender, or gender dynamics, or biology. But since the general stance on here is that nobody is an expert since too much is unknown- what's wrong with extrapolating and taking guesses as to how people are and will behave? Worst case scenario, if they're wrong, then they're wrong. I think the part you're missing is that not only do we take these guesses, but it gives us some pretty accurate predictions that lead to surprisingly higher quality relationships. My cur…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 03:24 PM
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Women do not have to consider a lot of consequences to their actions that men do. I see it all the time, when something goes wrong in a woman's life, people bend over backwards to help. This isn't universally true- ugly women and older women realize very quickly that people don't want to help them... ...but in the interim, I find that a lot of women have a false sense of reality because of this distortion, they make bad decisions because they don't understand real cause and effect. I see women d…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 03:20 PM
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The term dehumanize is a projecting term, it indicates that your feelings of how they view women are their feelings of how they view women. This is wrong. Just because somebody uses a different vernacular doesn't mean that they do not consider women human. In fact, the term "dehumanize" is a misnomer- since its sole purpose is to elicit an emotional reaction.. But.. but women are human! OH NO! Until you look at the gritty details here. What does it mean to treat somebody as though they weren't h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 03:14 PM
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Please make note of who said 9, 10, and 11 year old girls. It wasn't him. By all means, have an argument, but at least have it with the right person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 03:06 PM
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given right innate sexual attraction ages 9 - 15 years old, women who develop breasts, wide hips, long legs, and other secondary sexual characteristics which indicate their fertility desire sexual relationships stimulate such male attraction I think it's quite clear that this is not what you said at all, but instead a biased version meant to make tehginjaninja look bad. And if he said what you did, he might. But since we can read, we already know your assertion to be false.. Physiological respon…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 03:06 PM
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Just in general, when we debate consent here, I think it's a good ground rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 02:08 AM
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I don't think it's smart to compare consent to legal contracts, since consent is something that can be revoked by a single party at any time, it's the exact opposite of how contracts work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/14 03:57 PM
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I think that's a distinction you cannot make. Explain. Unless you've invented some technology that allows us the unique experience of knowing what it's like to be somebody else, the idea that you see their actions and assume their inner monologue is usually called "projecting." You would never act that way, so in your mind they must think poorly of her. This is a distinction that you cannot actually make. So you don't think the person you're having sex with deserves to be treated like a human? Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/14 09:09 PM
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She was just a warm hole to them. I think that's a distinction you cannot make. But let's say it were true- so what? Is there something wrong with enjoying sex? I'm not a fundamentalist christian so you'll have to walk me through the steps here...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/14 06:18 PM
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That one is easy, the common denominator in your relationships are not women, its you. You see, first of all, I feel as though you've missed the point of my post here. What I had just written here was that it was me and my expectations that needed changing and the red pill showed me this. But this does not preclude that if women are all acting similarly to my stimuli, that they themselves have predictable behaviors based on my admittedly poor performance. I am not surprised at all that you find …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 10:13 PM
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I think you should read my reply above: http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1wx1lc/women_needing_men_men_needing_women/cf738qq
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 09:44 PM
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It's not that I truly think women are all this homogeneous kludge that act in unison, but from my experience, when all my relationships turn out the same way, so much that I hear similar phrases from the women I date, and get the same reactions.. you start to wonder- are women unique? It's not that women can't act differently, but when men are only given a small perspective- be it rejection or otherwise- it's hard to imagine women acting any other way when you haven't seen literally any proof ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 09:42 PM
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Not acting like you have an emotional tie to somebody you don't have an emotional tie to isn't treating them like they're not a person. For instance, do you cuddle with your third grade teacher? Do you call them pet names and bring them presents? If not, have you somehow mistreated them? (or in your words, have you treated them not like a person?)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 08:52 PM
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I suggest you re-read this thread. It is you who has conflated these things, not I.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 08:47 PM
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After explaining to you precisely what was being said, with what motives, and why, you responded with the ridiculous appearance that the very words I've used did not even appear before you, and you continued to bandy your original assertion that this speech was of hate, which was a hypothesis long dismantled many posts ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 08:38 PM
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There's no debate here if you simply believe all critique is hatred. You might as well burn half the dictionary if that's your treatment of words.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 08:21 PM
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I think you're just using words that you don't understand now. Critiquing this woman for expecting her actions not to have very obvious outcomes is not hatred. It's absurd to think she should be able to do all of what she did, complain about it, and not expect critique. If I go play with fireworks without reading the instructions and blow off my hand, should I be blameless there too?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 07:10 PM
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I do not think it's an effective long term strategy for happiness to hate women, but I don't think that's what they're doing. They're venting. To stifle it instead of giving these guys a good place to vent is not helpful. Of course not all women are your ex wife. But to vent about our collective experiences with the opposite gender is cathartic. And having other guys with constructive criticism is a very positive community. I've hated women, and I've hated behaviors that I think most women exhib…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 07:09 PM
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I'm dissapointed that you went for this quip instead of spending the three minutes to see the logical counterpoint for what it was. OP: Expressing emotion and hating women are not the same thing. poto: Hate is an emotion. That's the reason men don't feel like they can express their feelings! Robo: Hate of women is bad, unlike other types of hate (implying that it's ok that we stifle this sort of expression.) Me: Logical extrapolation on this line of reasoning. (counterpoint implied in absurdity)…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 07:05 PM
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It would be a jump to assume that from my critique of your reasoning. My critique merely demonstrated the flaw in your rationale, that hatred is ok, so long as you approve of the target. This appeals to an authority, one that you have apparently deemed to be yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 06:35 PM
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I don't perceive the casual sex as something that warrants gleefully hating on people. By whose rules is sex with people while uncommitted considered hatred. And why did she seek out and sleep with men who exhibited these behaviors if she didn't like them?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 06:33 PM
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She wanted to be treated well and then went out for easy sex, and wasn't treated like a LTR. Seems like a classic case of cause and effect. Most people remove their hands from the burner when they realize it's hot. But according to this woman, she just kept going back again and again until she fucked the entire city. Mistreated? Only if she was incapable of making a single decision in her life. I've heard that called hypoagency. Those dirty men! How dare they!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 06:15 PM
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Your feelings are only valid to be expressed if I approve of them!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 06:13 PM
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Where exactly does it show that this woman who repeatedly went back for more and more considered the treatment "bad?" The regret is obvious when she paints her entire life in a different light, but it's plain as day that when she was out fucking the city, she was clearly into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 06:00 PM
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But RPS didn't say, "and therefore I think consent contracts should happen." He pointed out the paradox, and then at your demand, clarified that he didn't think consent laws should change at all, further proving that the thought experiment has nothing to do with his view. Edit: The only real conclusion you can derive is that he's probably a libertarian because he doesn't pass judgment on what decisions other people make together, even if it's a decision he wouldn't make.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/14 05:52 PM
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Basically, a woman's word means absolutely nothing at all. Not a yes, not a no, until feminism pushes for equal responsibility for women. The enthusiastic consent debate coupled with the obviously infamous regret-rape tales communicates one thing: women are not capable of agency. If I'm wrong, feminists, please do correct yourself!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 04:13 PM
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Specifically the problem is that this view of enthusiastic consent flies in the face of equality, by putting the entire burden and responsibility for relationship interactions on the men. All the risk, and all the consequences. That's not equality at all. That's hypoagency.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 04:07 PM
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Thought experiments are (usually) used to describe our own personal views. Saying, "if it rains, I will cancel the picnic" tells us about me--I don't want a rainy picnic. No, thought experiments are used to describe hypothetical scenarios that may or may not exist in real life to examine the implications therein. Consider Schrodinger's cat, for example, asked the question of the paradox of quantum physics if applied to the life of a cat. It made no assertion towards Schrodinger's view on whether…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/14 03:43 PM
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Yes. Which is why we believe you are irrational. That's a convenient rationalization in the face of contradictory evidence! I'll respond to the rest when I'm not drinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/14 02:02 AM
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Since documentaries are also in film format, should we treat them the same as you'd treat spiderman? Or can we do away with this foolish line of reasoning and discuss the original point?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/14 12:34 AM
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Wait, patience and being true to themselves are not "bad traits", Those are good traits. In what universe are those considered bad traits? I'm sorry, I mean patience in context of finding a mate. As in, just wait and the one for you will come to you. Society does not expect "attractive" people to sleep with "unattractive" people. And when they demonstrate it happening, they chalk it up to terribly wrong reasons. Depth of character and patience, neither of which actually work. http://www.lifestyl…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/14 06:18 PM
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I disagree. Instead it proves my point by demonstrating that the mechanism that eventually got them to win was patience and being true to themselves. In other words, their "bad" traits ended up being what saves them. The fact that we didn't expect them to get laid only helps connect the movie's plot with real life's men experience. They watch it because it gives them hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/14 05:14 PM
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Almost every single species on this planet has the instinctual urge to select mates and procreate. These instincts are what we describe as sexual selection (or more accurately, sexual selection shaped the instincts!). Just because we're here and now doesn't mean this has changed. You can observe it in just about any animal if you spend some time with biologists studying animals or watch a documentary. Who we are today was determined by millions of years of evolution, and this won't change our ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/14 05:02 PM
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There are plenty of examples that aren't ben stiller though, such as: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4063403776/tt0241760?ref_=tt_pv_md_2 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088000/ I'd search for more, but I don't have the time. I think my point is made.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/14 04:59 PM
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Oh I'm sorry, you don't know about the full argument. To the best of my recollection, the argument started in /r/mensrights and /r/subredditdrama, and according to rps she has followed him and given an abridged "rps doesn't believe in spousal rape" warning any time he stepped foot outside of his subreddit to comment on anything. The debate didn't start here, and hasn't stayed here. The original thought experiment was about perpetual consent, she interpreted his analysis as being pro-spousal rape…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/14 04:52 PM
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Over the past ten years? I've gone from trying advice from sisters, friends, parents, internet. The first time I saw PUA I was appalled. It wasn't until another 3 years of miserable failures that I came back to it and tried it. I think it's worth noting that red pill success stories are most impressive when contrasted with absolute failure of the users before hand. It's not like somebody started putting sugar in their tea and claimed it makes them feel better, it's that they went from incel to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/14 04:47 PM
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Treating the sexual market as glaringly obvious is in direct contrast to the amount of flack they get analyzing this. There's a fat acceptance movement that tries to deny it. There are social phrases like "shallow" dedicated to ensuring one does not analyze sexual market values with a critical eye. There are movies dedicated to disproving smvs (nice skinny guy under-dogs get the girl). It's not that it's not obvious when you realize it- it's that discussion of it is strictly forbidden if we're t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/14 04:28 PM
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From my post a few ago: Wouldn't it stand to reason that if there were a less destructive path, red pillers would jump on it instantly? Surely red pillers do not enjoy the collateral damage? Simply, if there were more effective advice, they would want to follow it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/14 04:24 PM
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. RPS had examined the implications of consent being treated as a contract when obtaining, but as a crime when violating, and used thought experiments to display the internal logical inconsistencies with treating consent as a contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/14 04:22 PM
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The fact that no other advice has cropped up does no preclude the possibility that there could be better advice. But it does preclude moral superiority for mocking red pillers for following the best advice they can find.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/14 04:03 PM
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Wouldn't it stand to reason that most rational actors would not burn down their houses to kill spiders? I think the overwhelming number of downsides are quite obvious, and you'd see a fallout instantaneously. If you want to use a fair analogy, you must realize that the cons of this philosophy are not overwhelmingly obvious, or not happening. Additionally, could we not suggest that if your original analogy stood, and red pillers are metaphorically burning down their houses to kill spiders, why on…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/14 03:24 PM
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Yes, and? The term thought experiment implies hypothetical. If I ask you to consider the best way to murder somebody and evade the police, and you entertain me with an answer (clearly stabbing somebody with an icicle, murder weapon melts), have you just declared that you are pro murder?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/14 03:16 PM
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See that's like saying physics is just hokey science and that what really matters is learning how to toss a ball properly. You believe you can learn how to manipulate things around you, like throwing a ball at the proper arc, but try to deny that things like gravity, momentum, and friction are there behind the scenes making your observations come true. Being confident and good looking is great, but then to deny the sexual market place theory and relative values theories.. it's like you just want…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/14 03:14 PM
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myself the title "/u/redpillschool slayer". This certainly looks like the kind of circle jerking that doesn't belong here, wouldn't you agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/14 02:25 PM
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