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whats your goal? are you looking for ways to get by or are we trying to build wealth?
/r/Divorce_Men21/04/22 08:42 PM
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You'll get arrested and if she decides to add some sexual assault in there for spice that didn't happen, congratulations you have sex offense that has now effectively ruined your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 08:16 PM
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I've found that this argument is so foreign to the world that women experience that they can't even make sense of it, there is just too much of a disconnect. It's equally effective to quote Shakespeare to a tribe of people in the Amazon. My current girlfriend will be say "just go back to court!" and "Fight for your children" as if I hadn't tried that and want to impoverish my self a second time only to yield the same results. Our only real solution at this point is to completely quit the game an…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 08:12 PM
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Mine falls on May the 4th, "Star Wars Day", so I call it "A New Hope Day"
/r/Divorce_Men14/04/22 07:01 PM
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Guess it depends on how you treat people, providing her any sort of empathy or sympathy is just ground for her to take, she will 100% try and use his emotions against him. The point is that he needs to look at her as a stranger demanding financial recompense from him and not as his wife. Looking at her as his wife invokes caretaker feelings in most men which is then their undoing in divorce proceedings.
/r/Divorce_Men31/03/22 05:30 PM
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unfortunately, even if she shares an amicable sentiment, her lawyer is in it for the cash, and so is yours by the way. You need to start treating her as an enemy at the very least in a cold war situation. I was the same way, and learned too late that being nice will ruin you,
/r/Divorce_Men30/03/22 07:09 PM
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You would have to have automatic 50/50 custody with no state enforced child support, which will never happen because the state uses child support as a hidden tax on men through title IV-D. Uncle Sam wants his cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:47 PM
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I used to think it was as easy as a break up, its not. You create shared goals and intertwine your lives together to the point that its much more painful and costly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:44 PM
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People make weddings expensive, as a signal of wealth and status. My grandparents married at the courthouse and went back to the farm the same afternoon. They were together for 60 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:40 PM
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At some point you have so much experience with women that you don't want one, I was very close to hanging it up when I met my current LTR, if I hadn't I would have just got a dog and lived alone. Also my current LTR is atypical, which is why it's an LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:37 PM
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All states have "a" formula but ultimately the judge will say "you pay this" and it doesn't matter if it is reasonable or not.
/r/Divorce_Men01/03/22 05:20 PM
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Look up how to fire your Wife. With the information available it sounds like she's actually already siphoning off your liquidity through a protected asset (her mom's account). I'd start looking for a paper trail if she is stupid enough to leave one. If you put your foot down you might as well be stomping on a landmine for your marriage. Doesn't appear to me that she respects you at all.
/r/Divorce_Men22/11/21 02:55 PM
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implementing "NMMNG" in his marriage will for sure trigger a divorce on her side. She is "addicted" to this lifestyle and any attempt to "get clean" will cause her to lash out. Sadly I doubt this one can be salvaged.
/r/Divorce_Men22/11/21 02:51 PM
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I count my divorce as a failure, but I don't look at it as negatively as some people might. It forced me to confront a lot of issues I had regarding who I was attracted to, and led me to date more intentionally afterwards. It also made me wake up to a lot of unkind truths about the world. For instance it taught me who I could trust and count on, it showed me what the true nature of women actually is, not what Disney and my mom told me, and it taught me to rely on my self and to switch from a phi…
/r/Divorce_Men05/11/21 06:09 PM
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I was like you. You're going to have to practice the other extreme and be very rigid for awhile so that you can re learn an actually healthy "middle ground" Your current middle ground is actually way into their side of the field that your oblivious that your off-sides.
/r/Divorce_Men01/11/21 06:04 PM
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I believe my GF has an anxious attachment style and I am avoidant. If this were true she'd be all over your social media. You're absolutely a secret to someone in an ABC+ relationship scenario. Why is this worth keeping? This is going to hurt but I promise you I'm coming at this from an identify and grow perspective- You strike me as weak willed and passive. Women hate that crap. Ask yourself how many demands have you made on her? I'm guessing not many by what this post tells me. Stand up for yo…
/r/Divorce_Men01/11/21 05:59 PM
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Its not good for men either, they only sample married men and divorced men in a lot of those studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/21 04:53 PM
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diet affection can be bought at a strip club, same great taste, less fulfilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/21 04:51 PM
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way more than I'd like to be honest. ​ I've dated a lot of women, been married, divorced, dated a few again, and I manage 300 employees 97% of them women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 07:36 PM
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Thanks, and for sure, It's just scary how accurate the description here was to my story. I remember one time her cousin saying "Man, I am so glad she found you". I thought it was nice but kind of an odd thing to say to someone who just married your cousin. Now I know why he said that.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/09/21 03:31 PM
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What's left to date for MOST guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 01:32 PM
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This is literally a playbook of how my ex-wife suckered me. Should add in Damseling behavior as well. They love to project weakness to pull Captain save-a-hos in. Could be an "abusive" ex-boyfriend, or a job where she isn't treated well. I was so stupid.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/09/21 01:25 PM
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I depends on what part of the RP community you subscribe to: PUA- Life is more dangerous but abundance is never better for the top 20. Tradcon- Women and HV men have too many options leading to disloyalty, leading to unstable households, contributing to poverty, crime, disease, the general crumbling of society as a whole. Women are depressed, Men are aimless, children have no structure and everyone is on drugs. Corruption is rampant, I can do this for days. MGTOW- See all the tradcon issues and …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 12:56 PM
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Depends, My ex has gone from being overtly aggressive and manipulative to passively aggressive and manipulative. She's finally marrying the guy who's marriage she wrecked so hopefully he'll be her new source of soul sucking permanently.
/r/Divorce_Men17/09/21 12:48 PM
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You also know what no talks about? How many people are dissatisfied with their marriage. I read a stat somewhere that said like 57% of married women were satisfied, meaning only meaning almost half active marriages probably suck to be in as well. I am never getting married again.
/r/Divorce_Men10/09/21 04:06 PM
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They also carry significantly more debt too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:23 PM
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So if you don't pull at least 50% physical custody she will have more or less total control of your children, "joint legal custody" sound reasonable on paper but it's more or less worthless if she has "Full physical custody". This also puts you at high risk of child support, are you cool with not being able to have a say in how much or how your children's expenses are managed? Bottom-line, DO NOT give up 50% physical custody. Everything hinges on this one battle basically. And She will treat it …
/r/Divorce_Men07/09/21 01:50 PM
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I found that certain financial institutions will NOT play ball with things like QDROs. You're better taking cash from entities where you have some pull or the least amount of extraneous parties.
/r/Divorce_Men18/08/21 01:59 PM
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Absolutely. I went in hoping we could find an understanding to our issues only to find when I told her mine that she later used them against me in family court to try and take my kids away from me.
/r/Divorce_Men17/08/21 01:20 PM
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Essential, unfortunately. Family court is like anal sex, you're still going to get fucked but lube (lawyers) makes it less unpleasant.
/r/Divorce_Men17/08/21 01:00 PM
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It depends on the type of divorce and child support. I'm guessing his is a section IV-D ruling but I could be wrong.
/r/Divorce_Men05/08/21 12:43 PM
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I have this same issue. I specifically pick women who are less attractive and generally stable on purpose. My current relationship is great but there is little attraction on my part and I generally view her more as a companion than in a romantic light. At some point you need to sacrifice wants for needs. Eventually you relearn your attachment needs and then break the cycle.
/r/Divorce_Men04/08/21 05:30 PM
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What State do you live in? That is a HUGE factor. Typically you can avoid child support if you split time 50/50. I would immediately stop co-mingling any accounts, if you have a joint checking account stop contributing to it but do not pull out any cash.
/r/Divorce_Men04/08/21 05:25 PM
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Yes. I made the decision at 30 despite my doctor's recommendations, to get a vasectomy done. After my divorce I did a lot of thinking and weighing the benefits and risks, I came to the heartbreaking conclusion that any new children I had would have would just be more liabilities. I would've liked maybe 2 more but after going through divorce I just couldn't do it. Since then, while dating, I have had at least 3 women try to baby trap me. One got extremely angry when I told her I was cut when she …
/r/Divorce_Men04/08/21 05:19 PM
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I imagine that they'd force husband- surrogacy through taxes more likely, leading to capital flight of the smartest and most well off to other more hospitable countries, which would cause a fiscal death spiral resulting in some kind of unrest/revolution.
/r/MGTOW223/07/21 05:00 PM
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You'd have to still believe in romantic love to miss it I guess. I mean I have a girlfriend that tells me she loves me but honestly all I hear is "I'm attached to you". Romantic love is just like believing in Santa Claus for adults.
/r/MGTOW223/07/21 04:49 PM
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Don't get remarried later. Those 40-50s women are all looking for some unsuspecting guy to fund their lifestyles.
/r/Divorce_Men23/07/21 04:35 PM
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My current go to is " I trust you but I absolutely distrust Uncle Sam, why would I invite the government into our relationship? Also I don't trust anyone generally so that first part is a white lie.
/r/MGTOW221/06/21 04:54 PM
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I will say that while my father was an excellent father, the lessons he taught me about how to be a husband were wrong. If I'd have realized how spineless my father was when it comes to my mother as a young man I would've been so much better off. Now that I have learned the hard way I've tried to teach my son these lessons so that he can go into adulthood with a clear view of how the world really works.
/r/MGTOW217/06/21 02:57 PM
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I found that this is usually the result of a complete lack of awareness or denial. I actually got into a discussion with my girlfriend the other day about it. I was up front with her from the beginning that I was never getting married again, doesn't matter how much I trust her, I absolutely don't trust Uncle Sam.
/r/Divorce_Men25/05/21 05:08 PM
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I think her goal was to find out what was going to be the best outcome for everyone. I always remember her saying " You know, I hear a lot about the things you are trying to do to give your wife what she wants or what you think she wants. I never really hear you say what you want. What do you want from your marriage principledbeast1?" I couldn't even answer because my entire life at that point just gravitated around trying to make my wife and kids lives better. It dawned on me then that I wasn't…
/r/Divorce_Men24/05/21 01:46 PM
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Maybe. I did this after my XW had an embarassing meltdown at the 2 prior marriage counselors (nothing was her fault, I was making it all up). I decided to see one alone as kind of a Hail Mary for our marriage and actually ended up figuring out that our marriage wasn't worth saving. So it ended up causing the opposite effect. If you do this DO NOT tell her what does on in your sessions as she will use it against you later at court, from my personal experience.
/r/Divorce_Men19/05/21 04:23 PM
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In my state Common law is not recognized and there are several State supreme court cases which set precedent against it. I've investigated it thoroughly, but thank you for your concern.
/r/MGTOW218/05/21 12:49 PM
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didn't the female mice become more aggressive in Calhoun's mouse utopia?
/r/MGTOW217/05/21 04:47 PM
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So I'm kind of in this camp, I have a long term girlfriend that lives with me, but I evaluate our arrange a lot differently than I use to with relationships. The moment the relationship is not beneficial to me it ends. I own my home and vehicles and she isn't on any of my legal or financial documents. She also pays me rent every month. I am also out of her league looks-wise which ensures to some extent that it is unlikely she will cheat on me or try to shit test me because I am far and away the …
/r/MGTOW217/05/21 04:44 PM
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As a parent I agree with this. If I'd have been wiser then I wouldn't have had my children to save them from our culture.
/r/MGTOW217/05/21 04:37 PM
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Perspective: I stepped up to the plate and now can only basically see my children when its on paper. I lost basically everything. And to top it off I don't even feel like a real father. The odds that this could happen to you are high. Or you could be trapped in a loveless marriage, subject to any whim she has on a daily basis. So personally I would take the feeling of emptiness over the feeling of powerlessness and failure I get to experience all the time.
/r/MGTOW217/05/21 04:35 PM
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I used to date and then keep the ones on that weren't relationship material until they found a new guy. I stopped because it was too much work and I lost a lot of free time. Always kind of feast and famine too it seemed. Made me lose a lot of respect for women also.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 03:07 PM
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Not even clever enough to use the "True love doesn't need a prenup" argument either. YIKES.
/r/MGTOW207/05/21 02:13 PM
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The Joker pokes a large hole in the narrative that men are valued by society and women are wonderful^(tm) Any activity that does not provide a direct or indirect benefit to women is in opposition to their biological imperative to accumulate resources for themselves and their offspring.
/r/MGTOW207/05/21 02:03 PM
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Exactly, as soon as I started to buckle under working 70 hours/week mine hit the eject button. Unfortunately for her, once I could cut back and re-assess the situation I know make 3 times that salary. Most women view you as nothing more than a beast of burden.
/r/MGTOW207/05/21 01:57 PM
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This is so true. No your Netflix viewing does not make you attractive or interesting. Yes, I too have seen The Office. Oh you don't know how to cook a basic meal for yourself? You don't know how to fold or put away laundry so your floor is just one giant morass of clothing? Why the fuck would I marry you let alone date you for a period of my life?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 08:26 PM
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It does though, societal disengagement, after exiting the marital/economic race, is just the next logical step. Why should men who derive no benefit from our society other than infrastructure contribute to the tax base? If men don't have a family to support they logically will work less hours and pursue less strenuous and hazardous work and probably retire early if they only have to support themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 02:51 PM
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Automatic get a lawyer Asap comment but also anything you do here on out needs to be in writing, especially the money stuff. Get your lawyer to set up the temp child support payments before hers does, often these become the actual payment when all is settled. I would also try and have a witness with you at all times during pick ups and drop offs with your kids so she can't get you for a fake DV claim.
/r/Divorce_Men12/04/21 05:07 PM
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There is really no recourse against judges in family court. I've had the following comments when I bring this up: Just vote them out! Do you know who your county judge is let alone your Family Court Judge? (they don't) Just ask for a different Judge, you know like on tv! That's not even a real thing. Well can't your lawyer report them or something? They golf together. Judge Mathis was at my lawyer's daughter's birthday party last week... So the lack of accountability, coupled with anonymity, cre…
/r/Divorce_Men12/04/21 04:29 PM
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If you work, do you contribute to a 401 or IRA?
/r/Divorce_Men07/04/21 03:06 PM
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This is good advice (for emphasis)
/r/Divorce_Men07/04/21 03:05 PM
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I haven't found a good solution to this problem yet (her using the kids against you) another newer problem I have come to have is that now my 16 yo has figured out he can play us against each other due her issues with me and my distrust of her. It's made the little parenting influence I have even more tough to navigate.
/r/Divorce_Men07/04/21 02:59 PM
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There are so many guys that are just throwing in the towel, I see it anecdotally and in the stats. Whether they call themselves that or not is debatable I suppose, but the amount of single, young guys with no marriage and family prospects is growing. This coupled with the age of marriage steadily rising is just going to compound the problem. Once guys hit about 35 their sex drive is less of a motivator and they can actually think over marriage, which gets a huge benefit from testosterone. That a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 12:48 PM
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Especially if she has friends who have been divorced.
/r/Divorce_Men01/04/21 02:04 PM
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Group 1 is conditional on so many things going her way that it might as well not exist. Group 2 is the highly likely scenario.
/r/Divorce_Men01/04/21 02:03 PM
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We are conditioning young men to not only accept that their lives are less valuable, but to be grateful for the opportunity to lay down their lives. Some men have woken up to this though, that's why like it or not things like MGTOW are gaining traction. Why lay down your life for a society who doesn't care if you die in the gutter?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 08:25 PM
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This willingness to absolve women of their crimes, and go easy on them, is a symptom of male disposability. Women are constantly patting themselves on the back and no one corrects them, why? Cuz they wanna fuck'em! -Bill Burr
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 08:23 PM
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I've noticed I enjoy contemporary entertainment much less than I used to. Maybe it's part of getting older and just not liking what "the kids" like, it just seems like everything is constantly pushing some political agenda now.
/r/MGTOW230/03/21 05:28 PM
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I have kids but since being divorced have re-evaluated my general outlook on life and have decided it would be unethical to bring anymore into this cruel existence.
/r/MGTOW230/03/21 05:25 PM
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Most men if left to their own devices do not take care of themselves and are more likely to engage in vices like alcoholism and smoking. I would bet my last dollar that if you compare a single never married bachelor who eats well and exercises with a married man and stripped out genetic dispositions to disease that the bachelor would always live longer from having less stress generally.
/r/MGTOW230/03/21 05:22 PM
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if the site uses an SSN to verify identity any forensic accountant worth his salt will find it.
/r/MGTOW230/03/21 05:11 PM
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The job thing will only work if you do this years in advance, the judges are wise to this tactic and will just use your tax returns to calculate support.
/r/MGTOW230/03/21 05:09 PM
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No, any money made after the marriage license is signed is considered community property in most states. Your best bet is to basically "launder it" through a casino where you can show theoretical losses but still keep the money. Anything you can track back with a social security number is not safe. Also use Indian Casinos if possible, there is extra red tape since they are considered a sovereign nation and won't play nice with Uncle Sam.
/r/MGTOW230/03/21 05:08 PM
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This couldn't possibly backfire or be abused with impunity. You know like all the current DV laws are by unscrupulous parties. I guess men could sue for equal protection though.
/r/MGTOW230/03/21 04:56 PM
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The young and hungry wolves. Look at how the Mongols managed to conquer China until they too, got fat and complacent. Same as it always was.
/r/MGTOW229/03/21 08:48 PM
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I do miss her and I have no idea why. She was horrible. Your brain has constructed an overly positive version of this person now that you are not being effected by her more negative aspects on a daily basis. This is normal. It's somewhat like withdrawal from substance abuse, your used to getting tiny intermittent shots of dopamine from having her in your life and when you think of her positively or get horny those connections are still there. Learn to ignore them.
/r/MGTOW224/03/21 08:46 PM
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Man, it's easy to do. If you ever need an ear, let me know.
/r/Divorce_Men24/03/21 05:52 PM
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Jesus man DO NOT DO this and delete this shit right now. Am I happy that I've been reduced to what I feel like is a visitor in my childs lives? NO. But even so I guarantee your children need you more than you know and leaving them without any parents is not the answer.
/r/Divorce_Men24/03/21 03:38 PM
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It's funny too because if you tell women, like I've told my girlfriend about it, they don't believe you. Like, she's told me to push for more visitation or half physical custody because, like you, I have a terrible ex-wife. I told her (gf) it's been 5 years, I could go after her, I have plenty of evidence of her short comings, but all that will happen is me impoverishing myself with legal bills and still getting nowhere. No one is on our side, at all. If we start to band together, all of a sudde…
/r/Divorce_Men24/03/21 03:30 PM
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“It's necessary to have wished for death in order to know how good it is to live.” ― Alexandre Dumas, The Count of Monte Cristo
/r/MGTOW215/03/21 08:26 PM
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Well, if you still date or have any sort of relations, it's pretty handy to know "how" trustworthy the person your sleeping with is.
/r/MGTOW208/03/21 07:20 PM
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I've never once regretted mine. I've had at least 4 women try and get pregnant by me. Best 700 dollar insurance policy I've bought.
/r/MGTOW208/03/21 07:18 PM
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looks like it was a church as some point.
/r/MGTOW208/03/21 07:14 PM
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I'd look at a second attorney, lawyers make most of their cash pitting you against each other for as long as possible.
/r/Divorce_Men01/03/21 01:57 PM
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My god, talk about a one in a million golden ticket. Congratulations man.
/r/Divorce_Men01/03/21 01:55 PM
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85% of divorces are initiated by women. I'd say that skews pretty hard one way.
/r/Divorce_Men01/03/21 01:54 PM
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In some ways I suppose it makes it easier to accept. Learning the game was rigged against you from the get-go made it easier for me anyway. Honestly I kind of amazed that more men don't end up divorced, maybe its because there is still some semblance of stigma attached to women of divorce? I'm not sure. I hope things go okay for you.
/r/Divorce_Men01/03/21 01:49 PM
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Mine went and talked to every lawyer in a 45 mile radius while we were both going to "counseling" I was so stupid I actually believed her. The counseling strangely enough helped me out of the situation. She served me after shortly and got angry when I wouldn't sign papers without my own lawyer.
/r/Divorce_Men26/02/21 03:14 PM
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similar, I guess I'd call myself more redpill than mgtow but after my divorce I got comfortable with the fact that women really only see us as a mix of an appliance and insurance policy. Once you understand that "love" is just a sales pitch for this relationship you realize how bad a deal it really is for guys. Women, for us end up being a depreciating asset with really high costs on the back end. Every woman I dated was basically looking for some sort of bail out from making bad choices in thei…
/r/MGTOW217/02/21 07:43 PM
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Gave me PTSD from my divorce. Had to quit watching it after awhile.
/r/MGTOW208/02/21 09:19 PM
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The loneliest I have ever felt was when I was married to a person I couldn't even have a normal conversation with.
/r/MGTOW219/01/21 08:00 PM
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It's normal. It's just part of the cycle you experience with loss or disillusionment.
/r/MGTOW218/01/21 06:28 PM
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I didn't mention the other sentiments because I agree with you on those. No where did I accuse you of cherry picking, simply that the information you provided was so over-simplistic and sometimes wrong that it was misleading.
/r/MGTOW213/01/21 06:10 PM
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This post is littered with half truths and generalizations. " The polio vaccine took 50 years from virus isolation to vaccine. The COVID vaccine took less than a year." ​ Salk had to figure this out with a table top microscope and a petri dish in the late 19th Century. We have PCR machines and CRISPR that can sequence entire genomes in weeks. ​ mRNA from the shot does not change host DNA. It simply delivers the coding instructions for the genetic markers for the specific coronavirus to your body…
/r/MGTOW213/01/21 02:49 PM
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One of my managers who is 26 now has to use a ventolin inhaler 2x day to breath normally. He was healthy before he got it.
/r/MGTOW213/01/21 02:23 PM
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I got it and have been hauling biohazard trash from this disease for the last month, I would say that it absolutely has prevented me from getting it, since despite wearing PPE I still have gotten all sorts of infected bodily fluids on me regularly.
/r/MGTOW213/01/21 02:22 PM
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I agree, its horrific.
/r/MGTOW213/01/21 02:18 PM
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I work in healthcare, I have watched people die, told wives, husbands, and children that they could not say good bye or be there with the people they care about. For me and many others the options are death or possible complications/death in the future. I got the vaccine. I am fine. I also have a degree in biology and have a good understanding of genetics and micro. I would tell anyone who is AT RISK (respiratory/heart issues) to get it.
/r/MGTOW213/01/21 02:15 PM
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wish I could say that ends but it doesn't bro.
/r/MGTOW212/01/21 06:15 PM
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Can't even sit through Mrs. Doubtfire anymore.
/r/Divorce_Men17/12/20 02:42 PM
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Don't buy LTC insurance. It's a huge hassle and the ROI is crap.
/r/MGTOW215/12/20 06:50 PM
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My ex-wife was mean to me every time I was sick during our marriage. As if I was a broken refrigerator or car that had inconvenienced her.
/r/MGTOW215/12/20 06:49 PM
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Here's an insider secret- Most wives can't wait to see their husbands die. The system will either send you home or to a home. Sincerely, -A guy that runs nursing homes.
/r/MGTOW215/12/20 06:48 PM
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My perma girlfriend is chubby. I think she is pretty grateful to have me, or at least that is the smoke she likes to blow up my ass. After I got divorced I figured out pretty quick that the attractive ones were mostly all work no fun. We have a lot of fun together, I think she also knows if she hassles me I will turn her loose.
/r/MGTOW215/12/20 06:42 PM
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Solid second place advice next to "don't ever get married".
/r/MGTOW215/12/20 06:37 PM
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I do. But just like AWALT doesn't really apply to all women, ABALT covers the 99% of bosses out there.
/r/MGTOW215/12/20 06:26 PM
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If I walk around a casino telling people "the house always wins, don't play the game" how long do you think I'll be allowed in there before I'm escorted out by security?
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 08:07 PM
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I've dated a lot of women, my divorce really made me re-evaluate what was important in a partner. Now that I am older I just want someone who isn't going to give me crap all the time and is easy to get along with. My girlfriend I have now is probably the least physically attractive woman I have been with (solid 5/10) but she is also the funniest, most caring, and most easy going woman I have even been with, and that is why I am with her. Hot women make terrible relationship partners in my experi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 05:30 PM
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"Men can be depressed too" "Men have emotions too" "It's OK for men to share their feelings." I really enjoyed having all my insecurities and fears read a loud by her lawyer as "evidence" on why she should have sole custody of my children. Thank you to our marriage therapist for almost causing me to lose access to my children. The take away here is that people (not just women) will use your faults as weapons against you later. Don't arm the opposition.
/r/MGTOW220/11/20 02:05 PM
2

Follow the money. Same as it always was.
/r/MGTOW220/11/20 02:01 PM
2

Don't go out of your way to be mean to this kid, judging by his comment history life is going to be rough for this one.
/r/MGTOW220/11/20 01:58 PM
2

Not sure if this fits but it has been interesting watching my friends who are gay navigate dating men. The majority of us are kind of awful. I don't really blame women for some of the stuff they say about us. Honestly, if I had to deal with the amount of superficiality that men dating other men deal with on a daily basis I would just go volcel rather than bother with it. The state of the modern dating economy is abysmal.
/r/MGTOW219/11/20 03:42 PM
2

Any forward thinking politician or businessman would never greenlight a male contraceptive that is effective like birth control. Any such product would devastate the tax base and economy single handedly. Imagine how much commerce is driven simply because men want to get laid or married, now think about how our current population is already below replacement rate (social programs/defense spending will implode) and if guys aren't buying things to accommodate a mate everything from homes to deodora…
/r/MGTOW218/11/20 07:11 PM
1

South Dakota is pretty tax friendly, hard to find a county that isn't coopted into another district though. Traditional gender values in most of the rural areas.
/r/MGTOW209/11/20 08:23 PM
2

I got lucky and had parents that cared about me, they put me up for about a year. After that I spent 5 years rebuilding my finances by living in a basic and slightly run down house for very cheap. Most guys live with parents or friends for a period based on my experience.
/r/MGTOW209/11/20 08:18 PM
3

It got to be like a second job for me honestly after my divorce. It got so old I decided to go back to one woman just out of simplicity sake and for time management. Plus after you know how to "win" the game it's boring honestly.
/r/MGTOW216/10/20 06:57 PM
2

A man's search for meaning is also really good for perspective.
/r/Divorce_Men13/10/20 05:14 PM
1

Learning that I was disposable was one of the most horrifying and then liberating things I have ever gone through. It taught me to only trust people as far as my own purposes and needs. Once you know no one cares about you then you in turn do not need to care about others. Be miserly with your trust and affection and you will be happier as a result.
/r/MGTOW212/10/20 04:01 PM
3

You HAVE to protect your time and draw that line in the sand. If you don't she will slowly erode your time and relationship with your kids. Tell him no and that it's because you want to do something with him, and then do something equally fun with him. He won't even remember you saying no after the fact.
/r/Divorce_Men08/10/20 01:45 PM
1

I'm not mgtow but I comment here a lot. I treat women the way that I treat everyone else. Same accountability. The line I draw with my daughters is that when they are adults they are able to make their own decisions, therefore since I only date adult women then they have had the same opportunity to learn about life as I have and if they feel that life is unfair, well there's no such thing as fair. If men treat my daughters like dirt and they allow this as adult women then they deserve to be trea…
/r/MGTOW230/09/20 05:10 PM
3

My ex-wife told anyone who would listen including my own family that I was gay (because I stopped sleeping with her 1 month before), and that I wanted to be a woman for some reason? and that I physically abused her because she asked me to do things from the 50 shades of grey book that was huge at the time. She spent a year doing this. My best advice is to publicly act in a way that is contradictory to her stories. I chose to stop drinking during our divorce (I didn't drink much to begin with any…
/r/Divorce_Men30/09/20 02:30 PM
3

I gotta be honest as a Dad I was like "fuck yeah Mike, use the dad voice"
/r/MGTOW228/09/20 07:19 PM
3

For sure, I had only two uncles who were divorced and one was a drunk and the other remarried long term. That's it. All of my other role models were "happily" married. I thought it would be the same for me because, why wouldn't it be? but after you get divorced it really takes the cheap paint off and you realize it's really only a good deal for the kids and that's if they're lucky enough to win the lottery on decent parents.
/r/MGTOW228/09/20 07:12 PM
3

I liked the part where Mycroft attempts to put her in a school that's safe and she is taken care of because you know she's 14? But no! Big brother shant be in charge of me! Proceeds to jump from a train. Impersonate a widow, blow up a fireworks factory, and almost gets stabbed, drowned, and shot. All the while both brothers are looking for her and dear mother is no where to be found because "reasons"
/r/MGTOW228/09/20 07:01 PM
2

It's been this way for a while. We're edging pretty close to informal polygamy already as a society. Hell they're quietly pushing pedophilia normalization on us now, why even worry about infidelity.
/r/MGTOW224/09/20 08:36 PM
1

As a divorced father I absolutely do blame myself for being used and misled. Which is why I will not get married a second time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:20 PM
1

I'm not sure it would have to be externally funded but there are certainly vested interests that would back certain groups if it came down to say insurrectionists vs some right wing paramilitary + the military or some sort of weird three way conflict between all three. This is overly simplistic I know but an elongated conflict between political groups is not out of the realm of possibility. Well funded or not. The US was still securing native american tribes into the 1920s and they were poorly e…
/r/MGTOW217/09/20 07:35 PM
1

This might work depending on how liberal your judge is. There have been cases were the judge awared "Palimony" d/t the defendant basically having a marriage in all but name.
/r/MGTOW216/09/20 07:24 PM
3

Let's say this happens. What's to say the new guy is going to better and not worse, not only that a Civil War will mostly likely begin. Our second Civil War will make the Spanish Civil War look quaint given the amount of guns and firearms in this country. Ideally we would revert to a small central administrative government with stronger states rights, How awesome would it be to basically tailor your state to how you want to live? People can relocate to States that share their values, etc.
/r/MGTOW216/09/20 07:20 PM
1

Its sad but after I put all the heartbreak and emotions aside I sat down and I figured out that even paying child support for 18 years I would come out ahead without her influence on my finances.
/r/MGTOW225/08/20 03:16 PM
2

Never trust anyone, even yourself. Being aware of your own demons and faults is an advantage very few people have.
/r/MGTOW224/08/20 05:59 PM
2

I will say that I've found a mixture of Buddhism, Christian values (deism), and Stoicism has really made my life richer and I notice that spiritually and mentally if I drift away from these things I do begin to suffer from stress and what I can only call a feeling existential emptiness.
/r/MGTOW212/08/20 04:04 PM
1

I have a few gay friends actually, mainly because all my straight friends are too busy slaving away on the plantation or their wives don't want my "attitude" rubbing off on them. They simply have more free time. I do however hate people who try to advance agendas through the victim narrative. Maybe that is what you are picking up?
/r/MGTOW211/08/20 08:44 PM
6

This type is the worst. A lot of women are not even aware of the game but the ones who understand the game and how to exploit the rules are the most dangerous.
/r/MGTOW206/08/20 09:32 PM
3

I think that at one time there was some beauty in the struggle. Anything worth having is hard work. The problem is that people would stick it out together, now women can basically just cut the man out of the equation but still benefit from his hard work. It's not right. It is criminal that I do not have unrestricted access to my kids. I should have the ability to ask them about their day without having to ask my ex-wife if it's okay. I should be able to share equally in their joy and sadness. I'…
/r/MGTOW206/08/20 09:27 PM
3

Probably not true as they have been able to leverage sex drive against since time immemorial.
/r/MGTOW206/08/20 08:28 PM
7

A lot of us have been there man. It's been hard for me because the insults just keep happening. Missed milestones, separate birthdays/holidays/etc. No real stewardship over your children. I feel like a spectator most of the time. I've never found a way to really heal from it, I just keep replacing bandages on an open wound that keeps bleeding a little less every year.
/r/MGTOW205/08/20 03:16 PM
1

I'll tell you this, if you try to do a paradigm shift to regain lost respect and authority over yourself you're going to have a bad time.
/r/MGTOW224/07/20 09:31 PM
1

lol doubtful. Dudes will stick their stuff in anything if they hard up enough. I'd say that functionality over form will win out. I straight will bet you dudes would bang Rosie the robot from the Jetsons given that its interactive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 08:12 PM
1

All of this will be pushed for by women ironically. I imagine it will result in male capital and intellectual flight from the countries imposing these conditions as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 05:49 PM
1

2017 is where the 7 year itch began for the early of millenials marriage-wise for some rough numbers. So since it's 2020 now, we should just now be seeing the "first wave". However, only 75% of them will even likely get married. So the stat will be lower to begin with.
/r/MGTOW221/07/20 05:55 PM
2

I thought I found one once. Turned out to be a pig stuck in a traffic cone.
/r/MGTOW221/07/20 05:39 PM
1

Same here, I was really blindsided by how much 2-5 seemed to matter to her. My goals for our family which were mutually beneficial did not seem to matter at all. Vapid materialism and posturing for our family and neighbors seemed to be all that mattered in the end.
/r/MGTOW221/07/20 05:30 PM
3

r/MGTOW2 is a better microcosm of what is going without the ragey "Incellite" stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 04:10 PM
1

Don't they have special Metoo/rape police now too?
/r/MGTOW220/07/20 06:01 PM
2

I am. I think I have naturally become more introverted as I have aged too. It probably stems from having to deal with people all day but I really don't miss being married either. It felt like I was coming home from one job just to start another job.
/r/MGTOW220/07/20 05:54 PM
5

I told my son shortly after I divorced that his mother would be the last woman I was ever in love with. Still holds true today. I look at love as addiction behavior and I'll have been sober for six years in a couple weeks
/r/MGTOW206/07/20 09:24 PM
1

there are plenty of jobs where I live but affordable housing is a problem here.
/r/MGTOW201/07/20 04:01 PM
6

Do you want South Africa, this is how you get South Africa
/r/MGTOW201/07/20 03:58 PM
2

4 maybe, I'm not including myself but I'm finally on the right track.
/r/MGTOW229/06/20 05:58 PM
1

Depends on where you live, a house where I am is slightly cheaper than renting
/r/MGTOW229/06/20 05:01 PM
1

Yeah, I let my exwife hit me and shove me. She hit me in the head with a Nokia one time. Never putting up with that again.
/r/MGTOW229/06/20 04:26 PM
3

You have to remember that for women their highest form of currency is attention and status. Any competing party is viewed in a negative light because it diverts resources they would otherwise have. That's why you don't see Taco trucks in the parking lots of Burger Kings.
/r/MGTOW226/06/20 05:32 PM
20

I've been saying this for years. Americans basically always had a large conflict to artificially decrease the supply of available men but since WWII we really haven't had one large enough to achieve this. It's a matter of time before men go looking for their own Sabine women.
/r/MGTOW225/06/20 09:58 PM
1

I'm close to being debt free already, although I will probably have to take on a mortgage at some point in the near future. My problem is I am a minimalist by nature so "things" don't really thrill me. I suppose I will start a real estate endeavor when I get there and just make more money from my money.
/r/MGTOW225/06/20 09:31 PM
1

I don't even know what I would do with the other third of my paycheck honestly. Invest more I guess? It will be a foreign feeling for sure that first time.
/r/MGTOW225/06/20 09:24 PM
3

About the only thing I did right in my divorce was the financial side of things, She wanted the house, the "good' aka car with a loan, and some other things. I let her have them and as a result shed about 225k in debt leaving me with some from the divorce itself 3k and my student loans 17k. I lived with my parents for about a year and paid off my divorce debt by constantly rolling it into 0% APR credit cards. I took the paid off beater car and then found (luck) and extremely affordable house to …
/r/Divorce_Men25/06/20 09:11 PM
1

I'm so jealous, I still have 14 left.
/r/MGTOW225/06/20 07:40 PM
1

Thank you
/r/MGTOW223/06/20 06:24 PM
3

Exactly, I was talking to my FWB one night awhile ago and we were talking about happy marriages and I said maybe 5% of marriages qualify as happy, if you remove all the guys that are using denial as a coping mechanism.
/r/MGTOW222/06/20 09:12 PM
1

my mother loves me unconditionally I'm sure there is a condition that exists were if you violate some social value this would change. Men who look for motherly love are usually the most disappointed by reality.
/r/MGTOW222/06/20 08:40 PM
1

I have a great father. He is an amazing example of a man except for when it comes to standing his ground with my mother and his daughters, then he folds like Superman on laundry day.
/r/MGTOW222/06/20 08:36 PM
1

I often wonder if this is how my kids feel. My daughter wrote in my fathers day card (age 5) that I love my dad because he's nice and he never yells at me. It made me feel good and terrible at the same time.
/r/MGTOW222/06/20 08:34 PM
2

People also generally hate deviations. Positive or negative. People who deviate from "the norm" are hard to control and predict and society does not like that. It's less energy to expend to make sure someone is down in the mire with you than to have to expend the mental work to figure out how to interact with someone who is unpredictable to you, that's why things like racism and stereotypes exist.
/r/MGTOW228/05/20 07:09 PM
1

I sincerely doubt you can quantify the ability men have to delude themselves into thinking they're "happy", that idea in itself is entirely subjective. I can go generally anywhere to observe men being treated in what amounts to a glorified beast of burden. I see these same men spouting the "happy wife, happy life" mantra. Work harder for the farm Boxer.
/r/MGTOW227/05/20 09:53 PM
1

most men would rather live in gilded handcuffs than face the truth of their existence and the starkness of their reality.
/r/MGTOW227/05/20 05:42 PM
2

No more than any other woman of her age (Early millenial), She really had a thing for always being a victim though, and I was very stupid for believing it most of the time.
/r/MGTOW222/05/20 04:33 PM
1

Yeah, if he loves his kid, she knows it and will use him as weapon in family court every time he tries to gain parity.
/r/MGTOW222/05/20 02:58 PM
4

I can tell you that for me it wasn't always like that, She was sweet and really played to my captain save-a-ho mentality I used to have. She was also a good mom to our kids though the longer I've had to observe her the less I believe that. The mask really dissolved over the span of the first year we were married, conveniently after she got everything she wanted, (marriage, house, kids)
/r/MGTOW222/05/20 02:56 PM
2

This is the truth. My ex-wife is smoking hot but also extremely entitled and crazy as hell which is a fun combo.
/r/MGTOW222/05/20 02:52 PM
3

Similar experience. Only I would work almost 2 full time jobs and then when I came home after my 12 hour on the weekend I'd find that while she had organized the house and vacuumed, none of the remaining tasks were done, leaving me to mow the lawn, do laundry, fix whatever "male task" needed fixed and somehow find time to spend with my kids on the two days off a month I had. God, it boils me even now, I had honestly began to forget how bad it was until you posted this. ​ Reason 2, my wife thinks…
/r/MGTOW222/05/20 02:51 PM
1

Always repeat this to yourself- She is not your wife anymore. If I'd have made less sacrifices for what I perceived as "the good of my family". We'd all be better off now. Also if your lawyer doesn't offer 50/50 custody as default get a different attorney.
/r/MGTOW219/05/20 07:50 PM
1

This is all very good advice.-Also a "fit" father ground into dust due to naivete and the element of surprise.
/r/MGTOW219/05/20 07:47 PM
3

While there is a cringe factor, men have now devalued ourselves so much by just continuing our part of the social contract that we're quite simply expected to prop up this system by default. The Non-Apex males need to start valuing themselves and demanding that they are treated with value and rewarded for their efforts. We're the collective doormat right now and it needs to stop. Men need to learn to say no again.
/r/MGTOW219/05/20 07:39 PM
1

Market disruptions make for strange bedfellows.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 07:04 PM
4

I feel this on a visceral level. It's been 6 years since I've been divorced and yet that last year of marriage was so awful that to this day if I see my ex-wife I get a fight or flight response, it's not even rational at this point. Similarly though I tried forming a "good relationship" with 3 women post divorce but I just cannot bring myself to forget all the hard lessons I learned. I've had more women throw themselves at me in my 30s than my 20s but I just can't bring myself to ever trust any …
/r/MGTOW219/05/20 05:51 PM
2

Back when I was full on Monk mode I was so starved for human touch I decided to regularly get a massage. Frankly this was never a sexual thing but unfortunately people do need human touch and it was nice to have that even if it was in a sterile and professional way. Also since my ex wife could never be bothered to rub my shoulders for more than 10 seconds it was nice to have someone actually get at my knots.
/r/MGTOW219/05/20 05:39 PM
2

I'll say this, kids seem to do the best with a mom and dad (if both parties are functional adults, good luck finding that scenario) If I had the choice to spare my children the life of having two divorced parents, I would absolutely do so. I wouldn't have kids otherwise, single parenting is really hard.
/r/MGTOW218/05/20 05:59 PM
3

I view sex from the same lense that we view addiction behavior from. The first thing is to be aware of what triggers your need for gratification. Can you remove certain things in your environment? is there a time of day that's worse than others? Maybe exercise or do something that requires your mind to be busy. That being said EVERY guy struggles with this. It's built in. Best thing you can do is to minimize your urges.
/r/MGTOW211/05/20 04:48 PM
2

It could be running a marathon or climbing a mountain - something you'll endure pain to achieve. Climbing the mountain will make you happy. Being on top of the mountain wont. This can't be emphasized enough, in "Man's Search for Meaning" Frankl really emphasized how finding the beauty in the process of things and the being aware of the endeavour and not so much the final outcome is what helped him survive the camps. It really comes down to your ability to take note of how much work something is …
/r/MGTOW211/05/20 04:44 PM
2

You must travel to Vormir and sacrifice something you love. I suggest a junkfood vice. *throws hostess cupcakes into the abyss.
/r/MGTOW211/05/20 04:29 PM
2

perhaps I misunderstood, I was under the impression she was still a part of your professional network
/r/MGTOW208/05/20 06:59 PM
1

If this person has influence over your career prospects or network you should absolutely not date her on engage her romantically. Has no one here learned anything from #metoo.
/r/MGTOW208/05/20 05:46 PM
4

from a machiavellian perspective this is solid advice. you should NEVER EVER date coworkers or professional contacts period.
/r/MGTOW208/05/20 05:45 PM
4

I think Spain is close to a catcalling law? Personally I think guys who do this should be reprimanded but to make it "illegal" is probably an over-correction. I've had women grab my ass in concerts and bars before and I will say it was unpleasant, for me personally.
/r/MGTOW207/05/20 06:34 PM
11

It's supposedly worse in Europe, Canada, and definitely India though
/r/MGTOW207/05/20 05:12 PM
3

I'm in this same camp. Awful marriage, horrific divorce. This arrangement seems to optimize my happiness while minimizing my legal risks. I'm always upfront with women that I'll never marry or move in with them. Some don't like that and move on, others stay or come in and out of my life. It's been interesting but peaceful.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 06:59 PM
1

You can, but you can't guarantee that they will stay employed after marriage or choose to go back to work after childbirth or job loss. Women have the same risk with unemployment on their but the distinction is this, even in the "pro" male States, women still are likely to come out on top financially speaking.
/r/MGTOW205/05/20 02:25 PM
2

People make mistakes they can't take back all the time. It's part of the human experience. I think married guys have a valuable insight, especially for men who are considering the undertaking. It's probably akin to a "scared straight" program from MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW204/05/20 09:38 PM
1

while there are a lot of dating subreddits, it's been my experience that the feelings and tone policing you have with these subreddits never yield any worth while advice.
/r/MGTOW204/05/20 09:29 PM
1

I was very blue pill and thought my marriage would be much like what I observed from my parents and aunts and uncles which was to say generally peaceful, supportive, and productive. I didn't account for the idea that not everyone comes from this background and that people can hide issues well. My ex-wife was definitely a product of a single mother household. I was taught a painful lesson I'll never forget.
/r/MGTOW227/04/20 04:35 PM
3

never finance vehicles if you don't have to. Vehicles are terrible financial sinks. I always pay cash for mine and as soon as the operating costs exceed my amortization amount by a significant degree I sell them and start over.
/r/MGTOW227/04/20 04:27 PM
1

From a historical lens their were benefits but not really anymore, my family came from pioneers and it was very common to raise your brothers children or take on a widowed woman with children because the family was in itself its own little corporation. I think sometimes it takes a few generations for a cultural shift to really happen. I would expect that the next generations of men are going to look very poorly upon Self-imposed single motherhood and that even widows will unfairly be collateral …
/r/MGTOW227/04/20 04:23 PM
3

It's like watching a guy serve and miss a collision on a motorcycle only to go head over handlebars into the street light pole.
/r/MGTOW222/04/20 05:02 PM
2

I don't know your age but some of it could be getting older. My highs are not as high and neither are my lows. It's just a function of experience. You never really get that first taste of pizza or coffee back. Novelty influences emotions to a large degree. Also I can no longer really listen to love songs or watch romantic movies because I know it's fake. So media really doesn't provide that stimulus for me anymore as well.
/r/MGTOW222/04/20 04:37 PM
1

It wasn't always like that though, There was a fair amount of RPR but there was also a lot of quality content too, like what you see here. The Incel subreddit got killed and they all came there and shit all over everything basically. Honestly I could see the same thing happening here if the mods don't maintain strict vigilance.
/r/MGTOW221/04/20 08:31 PM
3

Well you can kind of take the movies characters lead here, Morpheus doesn't just stand on a soap box in the middle of the street yelling the truth does he? If he did that a Smith would easily identify and terminate him. We have our own Smiths they just don't morph to become recognizable. Tradcons, Simps, and Whiteknights are our Smiths here in the real world. You have a much harder time discerning who you are able to wake up. Sometimes if you listen you can drop some light pink pills without guy…
/r/MGTOW221/04/20 07:52 PM
1

Also, when I was young there was no ability to instantly document most things. Now, she can pull up a text message from you 20 years later with no context whatsoever and use it against you. Look how flimsy the stuff was on Kavanaugh? He's going to carry that taint with him forever. The other factor you have to consider is that our society is moving farther and farther away from any sort of accountability with anyone but especially women. They have no disincentives to making these claims unless t…
/r/MGTOW220/04/20 06:24 PM
1

You simply can't be taken seriously by others who are wise if you don't have the benefit of experience and time to make your assumptions valid, without these your considered making observations based on luck, in my opinion. If a 12 year old came to me and said "I've realized that what people do and what they say don't usually match" I would consider this kid lucky for making that observation based on having so little experience to draw from. Conversely, I know plenty of elderly fools.
/r/MGTOW220/04/20 06:14 PM
2

Mind your own business, don't buy tickets to the circus, be responsible for your own actions and hold yourself accountable when you fail.
/r/MGTOW220/04/20 06:08 PM
2

Sharing even the lightest hue redpill with a man you think might be open to it will result in funny looks at best and shaming and attempted ostraciszation at worst. To expound on this, We are the virus in the system. We are an aberration, this system is designed to extract labor and defense from men. It is designed to react badly to any part of the system that is not fulfilling these functions.
/r/MGTOW220/04/20 06:05 PM
1

and early no less.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 05:36 PM
18

Don't buy cows when you can get free milk.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/04/20 04:09 PM
5

well she has at least 3 grandchildren who are single moms now so that could be.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/04/20 04:08 PM
40

Naw she's just old-fashioned and traditional tail end of the WW2 generation that still had values and honored the "social contract"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/04/20 06:06 PM
32

My neighbor Mabel bakes me things when I help her do things she can't physically handle anymore like recently I took her christmas tree upstairs for her. She's wonderful. She also tells me how worried she is that a nice boy like me doesn't have a wife around the house lol.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/04/20 05:32 PM
1

average lifespan for a rat is 2-3 years, I imagine a "lifetime of unrestricted hedonism" probably diminished it's lifespan. It's been my experience that the left overs at that time were usually euthanized to help control variables in other studies but if they all died prematurely then perhaps we're headed toward and Children of Men scenario.
/r/MGTOW217/04/20 01:59 PM
1

I remember reading something about an idea once called sexual transmutation. The idea was to use the energy you devote to things like anger and sexual compulsion and channel it into more worthwhile pursuits like hobbies,exercise, skills, etc. It's very hard to overcome sex drive, I've personally failed and given up. I have a lot of respect for guys who can go full on monk mode in perpetuity.
/r/MGTOW216/04/20 06:58 PM
1

There were surely survivors that where then euthanized I would wager.
/r/MGTOW216/04/20 06:54 PM
1

but if you equate aggression with predation you may have an argument that is leaky but holds water for increased aggression in women.
/r/MGTOW216/04/20 06:53 PM
2

When I was younger I was basically a good guy with options but the problem was I also had a Captain save-a-ho mentality which ended up with me becoming a divorced father at 30. So yes they exist. Buuuuut, more and more guys are now waking up to the evidence of the darker side of female nature and so they are a quickly dying breed. For instance, I tolerate my current girlfriend because she's genuinely enjoyable to be around, but hell if I will marry her or ever live with her. I won't cheat on her…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 05:42 PM
2

Eating the elephant a bite at a time. If you want to tackle any project, especially large ones, breaking them down into easily to moderately achieveable steps is the key to everything.
/r/MGTOW214/04/20 07:50 PM
1

Our society is predicated on the principle that men should be good worker drones that have no sort of interest that doesn't tangibly benefit society and their families as well. Before we managed to automate most menial labor, men with this attitude were a detriment to their communities. This attitude still holds to this day, especially now that since men are the only people who pay into the tax system. Our culture can't have that. You should focus more on what makes you happy and less on how oth…
/r/MGTOW213/04/20 05:25 PM
1

+1 for Vinland Saga, that was the first show in a while I felt was really good.
/r/MGTOW210/04/20 05:48 PM
4

At least for me, It really comes down to motivation and sovereignty over your life choices. If you want to adopt because it's what YOU want to do it's fine. If its from the influence of others, then that's a different story.
/r/MGTOW210/04/20 05:46 PM
2

I always think it might be fun to have a beer with some of you in real life. Hard to do without risk of being doxxed.
/r/MGTOW207/04/20 09:15 PM
4

You're going to be lucky if you have even one male friend who you see regularly who isn't related to you. If I didn't have my dad and brother close I'd have almost no male to male interaction at all. Men seem to be absorbed into their wives universe more less as people couple. When I got divorced it was interesting because our couple "friends" treated me like I was a leper or something.
/r/MGTOW203/04/20 08:59 PM
6

The Government and Corporations. Increased taxes, women are dependent on the state for subsidies for their kids. Corporations can now sell 2x as much merchandise because you now have almost double the households instead of one nuclear family. There's lots of reasons to pit us against each other.
/r/MGTOW225/03/20 08:24 PM
2

I honestly feel bad for women, guys are just as bad but in different ways. The dating ecosystem is just utterly destroyed to be honest
/r/MGTOW225/03/20 06:57 PM
3

I would say I've been in love twice in my life. I would've died for both those women if need be. After a long body of relationship work and experience I can tell you that romantic love is only temporary. It seems to me that most couples who make it do so out of fear of the unknown. I think that truly happy marriages occur in probably less than 1% of the population.
/r/MGTOW224/03/20 06:19 PM
4

I did just about everything wrong. I got a semi-worthless degree from college, married a single mom, bought a house with her and had 2 more kids, after getting pregnant with my middle child she basically just let it all go. Stopped doing anything helpful outside of light housework, spent money like it was nothing, her mental state went from basically 1 decent woman to 16 horrible flavors of crazy depending on the day. I worked almost 2 full time jobs for her and my kids for 5 years and between t…
/r/MGTOW220/03/20 05:41 PM
1

He's right kid. Every teenager things they know something or sometimes everything. You don't know anything about the world really. There's no way you can if you have stable loving parents. The only young person I ever knew that really knew anything about the world was my buddy in college who emancipated himself from his meth addicted single-mom. That kid saw some stuff, and you could tell. We called him Dad because it was like talking to a 40 year old man in a 17 year old's body.
/r/MGTOW219/03/20 01:20 PM
1

80% of people are trash though, across the board. I'd fire 75% of my staff today if I could replace them with androids.
/r/MGTOW219/03/20 01:08 PM
1

My son's your age. You're a kid. You are too young to be worried about playing the chess board of intersexual dynamics. 1. Go get some experience about life, I suggest volunteering at a homeless shelter. 2. have some real experience with women, but for the love of god do not get a girl pregnant. 3. Drugs will fuck up your life, including alcohol and Marijuana. Stay away from those things til you know your responsible enough to handle them.
/r/MGTOW219/03/20 01:06 PM
2

Men are Boxer the horse.
/r/MGTOW216/03/20 06:08 PM
1

but most people tell me you shouldn't worry about getting divorce since it's unlikely. Divorce rate is conservatively 45% that means logically you have about 5/10 person chance of being financially and if you have kids, emotionally and spiritually destroyed.
/r/MGTOW211/03/20 09:58 PM
7

It all just goes back to buy-in. Guys are so conditioned to think that I need "x" to get the girls. I would not hesitate to say that the entire economy is more or less predicated on men buying women stuff, buying stuff to impress women, buying stuff to impress other men to increase their appeal by proxy amongst women, etc. If a threshold event is reached where their are enough guys visibly not buying into the system, it creates second thoughts for the guys still buying in. The status quo needs g…
/r/MGTOW209/03/20 09:00 PM
1

My girlfriend was talking last night about how she can't afford to do all the *wanted but unnecessary updates on her home, I thought to myself, if we were married, I would be stuck using my income to fund all these unnecessary fad updates that would then have to be updated again in 20 years. No thank you. I just told her "yeah well just do a little at a time I guess".
/r/MGTOW206/03/20 07:42 PM
2

Not being able to permanently expel a problem person from your life because you had kids with her is a real problem honestly. I will have to still deal with her whenever we have any sort of milestone event, like grandkids, marriages, graduation, etc. So no. No thank you.
/r/MGTOW206/03/20 07:27 PM
1

Good. She treats my father better than most women of her same cohort. She also more or less dictates every waking moment of his life as well. He used to be my role model but following his playbook just ended up getting me married to a psychopath. I help them out a lot since my brother who lives next door is semi worthless when it comes to helping our parents with things.
/r/MGTOW206/03/20 07:15 PM
5

Don't ever let them move in with you. That's what I've learned.
/r/Divorce_Men28/02/20 06:36 PM
1

My girlfriend is way below my SMV. I like her because she has a awesome personality, is loyal, and generally appears to appreciate me. My ex-wife on the other hand was a 8. Complete opposite. It's all about machiavellian power imbalances. But to be frank I don't love her, but I also won't cheat on her. So not delusional but definitely not the dynamic most women would dream of.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 07:12 PM
2

Awesome. I'm just about to be debt free, 9 months to go. Right there with you brother.
/r/MGTOW221/02/20 06:26 PM
2

overrated as a concept and down right stupid as a legal practice.
/r/MGTOW220/02/20 10:39 PM
5

Let me tell you a story. I run a small Nursing Home chain in the Midwest. As such I get to see the end result of men's toil and strife to provide for their families. Some men have wonderful wives and kids that come and see them and stay with them til they pass, but the vast majority end up dying alone, most of their families don't really care what happens to them after they've outlived their usefulness to them.
/r/MGTOW220/02/20 10:36 PM
1

I'm never going to get married by Rodney Parker and the 50 Peso reward
/r/MGTOW219/02/20 12:13 AM
1

what are you eating my man?
/r/MGTOW211/02/20 06:01 PM
1

My advice is this, get divorced and do it before you have anything to lose if you married young. I got divorced at 29. My ex-wife was using it as a ploy to get me to tow the line and I called her bluff. I knew my marriage (that I had been stupidly trying to salvage up to this point) was over and I did the math. It was going to be far cheaper to pay child support for 18 years than to let her have control or influence on my finances for the same period. Even starting over with child support I stil…
/r/MGTOW230/01/20 06:17 PM
2

I'm starting to lean this way too, if my regular thing ends I'll probably just get a dog for companionship and call it a day.
/r/MGTOW228/01/20 09:25 PM
1

well if you follow the same recipe and use the right ingredients you're generally going to get a cake, with varying degrees of edibility.
/r/MGTOW216/01/20 08:22 PM
6

Moves to Canada, Home of some of the worst family courts known to men. I'm more interested to see if they kill off Meghan too, the Queen is so old, what's she got to lose.
/r/MGTOW213/01/20 08:02 PM
3

Yes, yes it is that bad. That's why the risk for suicide in divorced men is extremely high.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 09:40 PM
3

I can't do serious relationships anymore, I was so naive going into my marriage and learned everything the hard way coming out of it. I don't have it so bad as some other guys but I still wake up in the middle of the night worrying about my kids. At this point in my life marriage really only has downsides, and since I work in Geriatric Care I don't see where there is really any benefit, ever. I have a gal that I casually see and she knows what I expect. From here on out it's my terms or none at …
/r/Divorce_Men06/01/20 06:12 PM
2

There was always a bit of a "ground zero fallout rage" in M1. It's just that it is now mixed with some incel rage and that.
/r/MGTOW230/12/19 08:22 PM
1

Found what I thought was a perfect woman, turns out that's the "selling" phase of BPD. Got divorced. Dated some more, sat down and really spent some time thinking about all the women I had dated/slept with, found some common themes. I still date for entertainment purposes but I will never get married or live with a partner again. My opinion of the opposite sex is based on an N of 30 with varying backgrounds.
/r/MGTOW230/12/19 08:10 PM
1

Oh good, you see a lot of dudes put their SO through some sort of quarter life crisis education and then get stuck with the tab.
/r/Divorce_Men19/12/19 06:32 PM
2

I refer to myself as a bachelor for life if anyone asks. I still enjoy women's company and companionship, and to be honest I'm mostly monogamous due to no need for more complication in my life, but I'll certainly never marry, cohabitate, or have any sort of financial arrangement with a woman again. The term MGTOW is going to get bloodied pretty brutally in the coming years as our economy starts to faulter due to men no longer having families.
/r/MGTOW217/12/19 10:15 PM
1

Please please tell me you didn't cosign those loans.
/r/Divorce_Men17/12/19 06:25 PM
3

I date, wouldn't classify myself as a mgtow, to me (a divorced father of 3) this philosophy is really about self preservation and retaining your dignity and sovereignty. Family court is obliterating fathers left and right. It's frankly just not worth the effort to have a family and be married anymore. In the best case scenario you're treated like a somewhat loved appliance, and in the worst case you become nothing more than an indentured servant to your ex-wife and the state. Every time this que…
/r/MGTOW216/12/19 07:27 PM
1

thank you.
/r/MGTOW216/12/19 05:27 PM
3

They're probably not old enough to really consider how our divorce has effected their outcomes in life yet. I won't ask them that question until their old enough to give me an informed answer. I think that, as their father, I am a good one, but my time is too limited in my view to really have any lasting influence on them. Their mother is a decent mother but I can see some of her less desirable personality traits beginning to manifest in my girls. There's really not much I can do to mitigate tha…
/r/MGTOW213/12/19 04:53 PM
10

I'm 34 for and divorced, 3 kids. When I was young, one of my life's ambitions was to be a Dad. Now I'm just a part time Dad. That someone could warp and twist this part of my life into something that causes deep, spiritual distress had never occurred to me before divorce. My kids and I would have been better off if I had never had them at all. Now the best we can hope for is some level of slightly damaged.
/r/MGTOW212/12/19 07:01 PM
3

I learned by having a job that forced me to cook for others, those poor bastards. The ate some "experiments"
/r/MGTOW209/12/19 07:25 PM
4

back when the sub was at say, 20,000 or so it was a lot like this green, verdant planet, but then the incels came...
/r/MGTOW209/12/19 07:24 PM
2

this is exactly why I'm never getting married again or getting into a relationship that doesn't meet all my demands. Even the "good" ones try to demand too much of me. Between my high stress/pressure job, child support, and the time I spend with my kids, hell if I am adding anyone else to the burden I already carry.
/r/Divorce_Men05/12/19 06:50 PM
2

Given where I assume you live, that's quite a feat to not eat beef.
/r/MGTOW204/12/19 09:50 PM
1

Same, it's rare for me to find something that isn't useful in some way like tools for instance, to spend money on.
/r/MGTOW203/12/19 09:45 PM
1

Yes, but probably over-hyped as a problem, it is a problem, just not say a "pandemic".
/r/MGTOW202/12/19 09:15 PM
3

Honestly the trouble you'd have with their mental health issues and the way society treats them at large probably isn't worth the hassle.
/r/MGTOW202/12/19 09:12 PM
2

I started skipping lunch and just eating once a day. It did a lot for my focus and alertness.
/r/MGTOW215/11/19 08:39 PM
1

I argue that indirectly most men tie their self worth to their ability to attract someone or have a family, every guy I personally knew who killed themselves (N=10) was due to either inability to find anyone, divorce, or loss of ability to provide for their family, which are all tied to their ability to attract and retain a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 09:33 PM
1

Honestly I think with the ever shrinking profit margins they movie industry is experiencing their just adding new flavors to Coke. Vanilla Terminator, Lime Ghostbusters, Vanilla Orange Ocean's 11, etc. Women are making more money right? Pander to the demographic with money, etc.
/r/MGTOW208/11/19 09:26 PM
1

Well McCarthy was big on the media being communists during the red scare, maybe he wasn't as crazy and drunk as they portrayed him to be.
/r/MGTOW208/11/19 09:23 PM
1

Exactly, Legal protectionism and lobby will keep the licensed professions safe. It will be the mid level and low level employees that will go in most industries.
/r/MGTOW206/11/19 07:47 PM
1

to who? Men will continue to fade into obscurity the older they get. I personally can't stand bars or any very social setting. I think there are a lot of gentlemen with similar feelings. I'd rather have a quiet night at home away from the cacophony almost all of the time. The women who do want a male company are not going to be thrilled with the leftovers as any quality guy is going to quit the SMP ratrace post 34 years old. Get dog, maybe and FWB, Bam! perfect life.
/r/MGTOW206/11/19 07:08 PM
1

Most guys don't even get to the "getting a number" part of this experience. He's actually, laughably, more successful than probably the bottom 50% of dudes. I've seen so many guys just crash and burn trying to even talk to a girl let alone an attractive one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 07:07 PM
1

I solved this problem by dating a couple points lower than my SMV and refusing to get married, and being selfish. I used to suffer from a real "captain save a ho" mentality but luckily my ex wife cured me of that disease.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 08:32 PM
1

It happens to all of us my man. personal bias and denial are powerful coping mechanisms, they just don't always serve your best interests.
/r/MGTOW222/10/19 04:44 PM
2

It was Definitely a shit test and not even a very well hidden one, this one's so common they sell it at Walmart under the Great Value brand.
/r/MGTOW221/10/19 08:34 PM
2

Been together with this girl for about 15 months now. FWB that turned into LTR, you know the drill. I've been honest from the start about my MGTOW philosophies (without actually calling it 'MGTOW' or 'red pill'), how I view people as serial-monogamous, relationships as temporary etc. This will be her divorce silver bullet if you get married, You failed two huge shit tests she can now use anytime you don't tow the party line because she knows they'll work. She'll want kids later, they almost alwa…
/r/MGTOW221/10/19 08:27 PM
1

Boundary pushing is also a shit test, though less obvious. This is how men end up saying " I have to check if it's okay with my wife".
/r/MGTOW218/10/19 07:13 PM
1

I figured that I'd lose everything fighting it anyway, so I cut my losses early on and settled our custody agreement with favorable terms for her in exchange for ceasing litigation. Your story makes me feel like I at least made the right choice.
/r/MGTOW218/10/19 06:15 PM
2

It's a net good for the genes being selected for but it is bad for society as a whole because it decreases beta male buy-in and you get things like a depressed economy and unsustainable birthrate like we are seeing in Japan. If you don't incentivize men to work together, they won't. More or less everything we do, is for some kind of sexual appeal to women, if men don't have a reason to work, they won't work, and I've yet to ever see a woman pick up my garbage or repair the utilities during a bli…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 08:39 PM
3

Not all women are created equal, if you split, you may not have the same experience you had last time. My ex wife did everything she could to limit my time with my kids during our divorce. Are you prepared to fight for this kid if it goes south? Also how are you going to deal with your older two relating to this one? One reason I decided not to have more kids was because I didn't want my kids feeling like I replaced them or that they were somehow less than this new child. If that was the right c…
/r/Divorce_Men16/10/19 08:03 PM
1

A hard lesson on getting the payout up front, i.e. marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/19 08:14 PM
1

The entertainment, clothing, and wedding industries would crater overnight.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 08:49 PM
1

I've been told domestic abuse is pretty rampant, whether it's true or not, I'm unsure.
/r/MGTOW230/09/19 06:39 PM
1

I'm not a PUA but I've had more than my fair share of experience with women. It just got boring, especially after going back into the market after my divorce. Same conversations, same shitty restaurants, same demands, same bullshit over and over. I can't be bothered anymore.
/r/MGTOW209/09/19 04:11 PM
1

Financially speaking, it makes more sense to invest in *Quality clothing, than cheap clothes, quality and looking nice tend to be bedfellows. I always think of this- “The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like…
/r/MGTOW209/09/19 03:51 PM
1

I'll tell you this, based on my experience as a divorced father of three, you can do it with one, but if you want the best for your child a two parent household is the best for them. My children's potential has been diminished by our divorce.
/r/MGTOW222/08/19 07:44 PM
2

That is an option that you have, it being your house.
/r/MGTOW220/08/19 05:09 PM
1

I run a small cluster of nursing homes, I can tell you that without a doubt, the more preventative things you do to maintain your health earlier in life, the more independent you will remain later. The guys who didn't give a crap, say about their diabetes for instance, they get to be at the mercy of other people's schedule everyday for the rest of their lives.
/r/MGTOW220/08/19 05:08 PM
3

I think you can argue that a definition is only as accurate as what "most" people believe it to be, despite whether or not it's been co-opted for whatever purpose. Feminism is famous for this, even the term Feminism itself is so nebulous these days that it means whatever it means whenever it's followers need it to be. I'd say that it is widely held that the Black pill is regarded as synonymous or very closely related to Nihilism, whether that's what it means to you or not I can't say, but for ev…
/r/MGTOW220/08/19 05:01 PM
6

Black pill is basically the logical extreme of red pill-ism without the coping mechanisms people have developed to deal with the sheer abrasiveness that the black pill holds. Basically everything is meaningless at its basic level, but this is extremely hard for the mind to deal with and continue to keep it's mental integrity. It would be like Neo deciding not to fight the robots at all and just let them terminate him because the struggle is pointless.
/r/MGTOW219/08/19 11:44 PM
5

I won't date anyone below 25, the age disparity is too great and girls 22 or below look like children to me now which is disgusting to me in a sexual context.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 03:31 PM
1

I have every receipt from the State's Child support service because of the horror stories I've heard regarding minor clerical errors literally ruining guy's lives. But yes that is solid advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 03:26 PM
3

There are scores of men who are separated from their children against their will whether it's warranted or not. In my case which is somewhat "typical" I was guilty of trusting my wife, and then subsequently my divorce attorney too much, resulting in only having my children on every other weekend, holidays, and summer breaks, because I was given "lazy" counsel and my ex-wife wanted excessive child support and to limit my relationship with my children as much as she could. She tells everyone I'm a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 07:49 PM
1

"Male friendship doesn't count. You need romantic relationships with females in order to reach the highest level of intimacy." Owning a Volkswagon doesn't count, You need an Audi to truly experience the highest level of an automobile masterpiece." Sounds like a bad sales pitch to me.
/r/MGTOW205/08/19 10:44 PM
1

having to fit a rigid set of rules "true mgtow" is somewhat antithetical to the overall message. Find something worthy of your time and effort.
/r/MGTOW202/07/19 08:48 PM
1

I run a cluster of Senior living facilities. Don't waste your money on LTC insurance, they almost always weasel out of claims and you usually have to get an Elder Law Attorney involved to get your payouts. Instead, put that money into a different retirement vehicle or an HSA.
/r/MGTOW213/05/19 06:11 PM
2

I've been here too. Remember the only person who truly gives a shit about you is only you.
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre06/05/19 06:37 PM
1

1 should just be renamed r/mgtowER
/r/MGTOW201/05/19 08:42 PM
1

Most Trans women I've met are more put together than regular women which has been like 2 and I was fooled until they spoke.
/r/MGTOW201/05/19 08:37 PM
2

This assessment is accurate. Typically you have one party wanting to save the marriage and the other wants validation on why they should leave. I spent a ridiculous amount of time actually applying all the things my counselors (that's right 3 different ones!) said to do for it to only make things worse. It's a bunch of malarkey. If she's over you she's over you. I went to one final one for myself and that gal actually ended up counseling me to leave but by then my ex-wife had served me in an att…
/r/Divorce_Men24/04/19 07:52 PM
1

It's about 50/50 with an influence of how much charisma you have. I'm great at manipulating people, I've made a career out of it.
/r/MGTOW218/04/19 08:01 PM
1

It would be nice if kids has someone to do a cost benefit analysis with them. I did one and figured my break even would be by age 27 for mine. Didn't work out that way due to divorce but I'll be debt free. depends on the base minimum you expect to make with your degree. Trade schools are probably the better bet now.
/r/MGTOW218/04/19 08:00 PM
1

White People and Hispanics are joining the race to the bottom, Asians are about the only subgroup to hold ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 09:36 PM
1

Supposedly Rome was founded this way, then they stole the Sabine women and the rest is history.
/r/MGTOW212/04/19 07:12 PM
1

I agree this makes more sense that it would be a derivative of Simpering as well as it fits the term and behavior more accurately but I think it is actually derived from simpleton.
/r/MGTOW211/04/19 06:13 PM
1

It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman. Honestly this applies to men too but this is the bible proverb. ​ I'd drop her like a hot potato, if that is the line she is going to draw in the sand, what do you think real issues like money, infidelity, child-rearing and health will be like?
/r/MGTOW211/04/19 06:10 PM
2

I agree with this sentiment. I'll always be there for my kids but my ex using my child support to pay the mortgage on her home is poor planning as it leaves an 11 year period open where no child support will be received to support her loan.
/r/Divorce_Men05/04/19 04:58 PM
1

I'm not mgtow but I still eat from the "buffet". I won't marry, cohabitate, or have any legal entanglements but I still spend time with a particular woman and she knows the score, yes I know the risks. However I live in an area that is still pretty conservative so my risk is fairly low in my opinion. Also I don't really go out of my way for the "relationship" it's basically an exclusive FWB arrangement because I'm to lazy to have a second one.
/r/MGTOW205/04/19 04:46 PM
1

I've come to the conclusion that if a woman manages to make her way into my life and fit she is welcome to come along for the ride, in fact the gal I am dating now is that way, I made it very clear and I remind her about yearly that we will never get married or live together, ever. Still waiting to see if she will stick around after 2 years and all of her friends getting married, I'm guessing she won't. But she's fun, holds a conversation, and most importantly isn't up my ass about everything al…
/r/MGTOW225/03/19 05:21 PM
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