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What kind of "deal" are you trying to close at networking events? In my experience, the closest thing to a "close" you get at those events is swapping cards and perhaps an invitation to talk further in the future (so when you do call, it's not a cold call). For what it's worth, when I meet people at networking events, and exchange cards, one of the first things I do when I get home is to add them on LinkedIn (which I use as an electronic Rolodex) so I don't have to worry about losing their card …
/r/seduction04/06/14 07:11 PM
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zompreacher nailed it when he (she?) said: You fell for the ultimate con. Believing what women say they want versus how they act. But you also have to consider selection bias. The crowd on /r/AskWomen is very, very, very likely NOT a representative sample of "women in the large". It's a self-selected subset of women with certain specific tendencies and beliefs. Always keep that in mind. You also need to factor in the "It's not what you say, it's how you say it" factor. Body language, eye contact…
/r/seduction17/01/13 09:09 PM
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I think you just need a good swift kick in the ass. Quit feeling sorry for yourself and get out there and talk to women, it's really that simple. Yes, there are "armchair pickup artists" on here and on every other seduction related forum. Who cares, go out and field test the stuff for yourself. There's also a ton of good information here, and this stuff does work. I can personally vouch for that. I, like you, was always terribly, terribly shy and insecure around girls. I was the nerdy, awkward k…
/r/seduction17/01/13 09:02 PM
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I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. Anecdotes about yourself, favorite jokes, even "Hi, my name is Jordan" are all routines. They may not be "fake" routines, but they're routines. A routine, at least in my book, is any sequence of words, or patterns of dialog, that we use repeatedly in an interaction. So, you might ask, if we're just arguing semantics, why bring it up at all? Well, it's exactly because people say things like this: I too found it almost unbelievable that a girl c…
/r/seduction17/01/13 03:47 PM
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So you never tell the same joke more than once, or tell any stories or anecdotes about yourself? I'm skeptical. :-)
/r/seduction17/01/13 12:34 AM
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Everybody uses routines, some just don't realize it, because they don't call them routines. Do you have a favorite anecdote about yourself, that you tell often? Do you have a favorite joke that you tell more often than others? Do you say "Hi, how's it going" or any other stock pattern of words? Then you use routines. Now, people may choose not to use "outside" routines that are developed by other people, or "canned" routines, but for anyone to say they never use routines is to be intellectually …
/r/seduction16/01/13 07:56 PM
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Edit: Note, sorry, but most of this applies mostly to face to face conversation, not texting. I should have read the question more carefully. But still, some of the same principles apply, you'll have have to figure out how to adapt it. OR wait until you're F2F with her to start going sexual. It wouldn't hurt you to read/listen-to Ross Jeffries' stuff on "conversational themes", but here are a few bits I remember: Bring up a theme by using a story or a reference, like "Hey, I was reading this art…
/r/seduction12/01/13 04:17 AM
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Don't use "pickup lines." And, as "pickup lines" go, this is about as bad as they get. Why is it horrible? For all of the reasons mentioned by ThrowawayPUA, PLUS: it presupposes that it's possible for a girl to be "out of your league." it presupposes that she's in a position to evaluate you and to judge her merit relative to yours. It completely discredits the idea that you are the one who's evaluating her to see if she's good enough for you. Both of those are bad attitudes to walk around with, …
/r/seduction24/11/10 03:16 PM
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Am I missing something here? You're missing the fact that scales are very subjective. I'm sure plenty of guys would find her to be an 8 or better. Honestly, in that first picture I have a hard time even coming up with a number for her, because the wacky hair-style and the blouse aren't doing her any favors. But she does have something of an exotic look, and I'm guessing that with the right hair-style, clothes, makeup, etc., that I'd very likely call her about an 8 on my scale. <shrug /> But rega…
/r/seduction17/11/10 11:46 PM
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Nope, it's pretty close to totally subjective... and more or less irrelevant anyway. All this HB6-HB10 stuff is just a semi-convenient short-hand, not anything that's inscribed in stone anywhere.
/r/seduction10/11/10 10:28 PM
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You might also want to check PAIR - Pickup Artist International Registry.
/r/seduction10/11/10 12:27 AM
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Yes, spend hours and hours and hours talking to girls and getting blown-off, blown-out and or friend-zoned over and over and over and over and over and over and over... Sounds like a really productive use of time to me! OR you could try gaining some knowledge first, then go out in the field and apply it, then come back, combine your observations with the didactic material to form new conclusions, then go back out, apply and observe some more, come back, study, analyze, go out again, etc., etc. f…
/r/seduction10/11/10 12:25 AM
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Ok... I don't know much about what's fashionable in the area around Melbourne, but I was just curious if you were committing some gratuitous fashion gaffe or something; like going out in a clown suit or something just plain weird. Doesn't sound like it, so that's cool. It still might not hurt to hit up a few friends (including a few female friends) to critique your fashion and suggest any changes you might want to make. Other than that, not much else to suggest, here...
/r/seduction09/11/10 09:29 PM
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You'd be surprised. To me it feels like they're leading me on just for a laugh. That's odd. How old are the girls you're typically targeting? For that matter, how old are you? Are you in a major urban center (London, New York, LA, etc.) or a small town or something in between? You will find certain differences in attitude(s) depending on where you live.. actually, attitudes will vary - to some extent - from venue to venue. In a given city, the girls at a goth club and the girls at the "we're try…
/r/seduction09/11/10 03:05 PM
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Well, truth be told, there is a lot of contradiction in books on seduction, dating, etc. That's one thing that makes this weird... I believe it's because there is no one "Right Way To Do It." My personal feeling is that learning seduction / pickup is like Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do, where you're examining tools from different methods (in the martial arts case, tools from, say, Kung-Fu, Shotokan Karate, Western Boxing, wrestling, Hapkido, Aikido, Jiu-Jitsu, whatever) and assembling "The Method That…
/r/seduction09/11/10 03:01 PM
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It just sucks when you think they're being receptive to your conversation (eye contact, not fidgeting and genuine smiles) only to have them walk off without even a single word. So how often does that exact sequence of events happen? I mean, literally, then walking off in mid conversation without saying a thing? I ask because, if that's truly a common occurrence for you, something really weird is going on. In my experience (and I think quite a few other guys will testify to this as well) it's act…
/r/seduction09/11/10 06:12 AM
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I'm considered to be intimidatingly smart (but that doesn't concern be because bimbo's aren't my cup of tea). That's completely understandable. Just be careful not to overplay that card and scare off otherwise cool girls... even fairly smart people can be put off by somebody who is overtly displaying their superior intellect in a run-of-the-mill social setting. Chatting up a new girl at a bar is not necessarily the time / place to point out a deep knowledge of quantum mechanics, or the ins and o…
/r/seduction09/11/10 06:07 AM
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A couple of thoughts... Have you been diagnosed with clinical depression, or do you think you have clinical depression? Or are you just feeling depressed about "the girl thing?" If it's the former, I highly recommend dealing with the depression stuff... whether that means a professional therapist or what, I don't know... there are a lot of approaches. But you need to be essentially self-assured, have a good sense of self-worth, etc., as a foundation for dealing with women. All of that said... Yo…
/r/seduction08/11/10 11:12 PM
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You got a sincere, considerate, thoughtful answer to your questions. You came back with insults and judgmental language. If this turns into a flame-war, it'll be because you took it there.
/r/seduction06/11/10 03:58 PM
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A couple of thoughts: I have never had therapy, so I can't tell you much about it. But from what I've heard from others, I think it might be worthwhile for you to give it a shot. Unfortunately I have no basis to give any advice on how to pick a competent therapist or anything of that sort, so I'll defer from commenting on that. You say you're ugly... well, maybe, maybe not. If you're willing to post pics, I'm sure a few folks here would give you an unbiased opinion on that, and maybe some specif…
/r/seduction03/11/10 02:48 AM
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everybody who was watching the dance floor Nobody is paying any attention to you. Seriously, how big of an ego does one have to have, to believe than in a club full of hundreds of people, anybody is paying any particular attention to them specifically? just saw you get blown out by these girls, a huge DLV Fuck that... if a girl blows me out, she's DLVing herself, by showing her social incompetence. Remember... whoever has the stronger reality, wins.
/r/seduction01/11/10 09:32 PM
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Over the course of the night she gave me some casual touches (grabbing my arm for attention, brushing something off my jacket, etc) and when I decided to call it a night she made a plea for me to drink more and stay the night (her two friends were already crashing there, and my friend was invited along with) as well as allude to the fact that she's free to go out more often. Go for it dude... There's a lot of hints there that she's into you. And if you make a move and nothing comes of it, don't …
/r/seduction29/10/10 10:35 PM
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Slayer, Deicide, Cannibal Corpse, Immolation, Incantation, Nuclear Assault, Exodus, Metallica, Megadeth, etc. \m/ It's what I listen to, and that's one area - above all - where I'm really not going to take anything to try and get with a girl. If she can't handle metal, to hell with her.
/r/seduction29/10/10 10:17 PM
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The next time you see her she's gone completely cold. She has seen your weakness and now resents you for it. <sigh /> Stop it, you're bringing back repressed memories!
/r/seduction29/10/10 02:48 AM
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When the night first started I didn't know what to say for icebreakers. So what material have you studied since you joined seddit? Are you just casually reading the top posts, or have you made it a point to follow the links (especially in the new to seddit? post) and dig up all the material that's available to you? If you've put any effort into this at all, I'd think you'd have memorized at least a handful of openers by now. Have you looked at the big honking list of openers put out by TSB Magaz…
/r/seduction28/10/10 10:48 PM
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Rules of the Game The Mystery Method: How To Get Beautiful Women Into Bed The Pickup Artist: The New and Improved Art of Seduction The Art of Seduction How to Win Friends & Influence People Bang: More Lays in 60 Days Make Her Chase You Sperm Wars Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion The Way Of The Superior Man etc. Also, the mastermind forum on mASF. There's a lot of material on youtube as well. Just search for the names of some of the well known gurus.
/r/seduction28/10/10 10:26 PM
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you confirm in her head that it's ok to claim to be betrothed to some guy and get a little action on the side. And this is a problem how? good luck finding someone sane to be in a healthy long term relationship with when you have that attitude How is it healthy to base a relationship on a lie about our fundamental nature(s)? I simply accept reality and make decisions around that. And how "long term" is "long term?" Maybe my goals aren't the same those of everyone else.
/r/seduction27/10/10 02:39 AM
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Cruises are awesome... women are so much more aggressive and open when they're on a cruise-ship. I've never had as many women open me, as I did during the time I was on a cruise. Seriously, I was just sitting at the bar in the club on board the ship, and had got girls approaching me and asking me to dance, or just coming up and introducing themselves and hitting on me. It's part of that whole "vacation" thing... women on vacation are able to put aside their normal "real world" behavior and be mu…
/r/seduction27/10/10 02:15 AM
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Exactly. It just makes the Game all that more exciting and interesting. Obstacles are the spice of life. Overcoming adversity and obstacles, FTW!
/r/seduction26/10/10 11:33 PM
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regardless of how much of a sham that relationship is, you are condoning her actions. Yes, and? They are still her actions. Thus contributing to the problem, What problem? you know she's a cheater, how can you trust her in a relationship? I assume all women will cheat, so why would I trust any one of them any more or any less than all the rest?
/r/seduction26/10/10 11:32 PM
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I doubt there is a consensus. This is a pretty divisive, and emotional, issue. Personally I'm an amoral Rake who doesn't care one bit about a woman's boyfriend, husband, fiance, etc. If she voluntarily chooses to engage in a pleasureful interaction with me, then so be it. And wouldn't it be awfully presumptuous of me to decide for her that she doesn't want that interaction. If anything, I owe it to her to give her the opportunity and let her make up her own damn mind.
/r/seduction26/10/10 11:28 PM
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Moments of silence don't have to be a bad thing. The key is to OWN the silence. It's not an "awkward moment" it's just a moment when you're both being silent, thinking. Just look at her and smile a warm friendly smile... and don't say a word. I'm having such a great time right now, you’re fun :)" Exactly. But don't be afraid to allow the silence to linger for a while before doing this. Those silent moments can be good for creating tension, which is a good thing. Also, make sure to allow enough s…
/r/seduction26/10/10 02:37 AM
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Try tactics that aren't deceptive to find a girl who isn't as shallow as you are and do something meaningful for the first time in your life. Nothing about "pickup" mandates that anyone be deceptive. Some PUAs choose to be deceptive, but it's not a "core" strategy or anything. If there's a "core" point to all of this, it's about improving yourself, improving your lifestyle, improving your communication skills and actually being a more attractive person. I don't know how you missed that point, bu…
/r/seduction25/10/10 03:13 AM
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ABC - Always Be Closing!
/r/seduction21/10/10 05:23 PM
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I've never had it happen. The closest I've come is having a girl say something like "are you a player or something?" And yes, I do use canned material, although not all the time. It just depends on what's going on, what I've been thinking about, etc.
/r/seduction21/10/10 03:33 AM
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http://www.fastseduction.com/youarenew/
/r/seduction21/10/10 01:28 AM
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So all in all my approach and number close were solid, but still wondering where I went wrong because she never returned my text. Kezia Noble makes a good point about this on her Deep Connection program... she was saying that girls who are out at clubs are all amped up emotionally, may be a little bit drunk, and are doing whatever to keep the emotions positive, and will usually give their phone numbers out with little provocation. So she may have given her phone number to 4-5 other guys that nig…
/r/seduction20/10/10 03:26 AM
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It's called Approach Anxiety and it is something everybody has to deal with. There are different ways of learning to cope with it, some ways work better for some guys than others. But the gist of overcoming it involves: detaching yourself from the outcome. When you don't attach any particular meaning to the outcome of any given interaction, when you can treat each approach as "practice" or "play" then it becomes a lot easier. building your overall confidence; there are multiple different kinds o…
/r/seduction20/10/10 01:07 AM
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I'm 37, and I'm targeting women from 18 to ??? (depends on if they're still attractive or not). Realistically I think the upper end of my interest range is about 45 or so, but I've seen hot cougars in the 50's that I'd still hook up with. <shrug />
/r/seduction19/10/10 10:07 PM
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Ignore him, he's irrelevant. Ignore anything that doesn't help advance the seduction. For what it's worth, it sounds like he's more of an orbiter / "stand in boyfriend" than a serious boyfriend. If she just called him a "good friend" and her facebook status says "single" she isn't taking him seriously. She probably has the "Tester" personality type (See Vin DiCarlo's "Pandora's Box" program for more on what that means) and "dates" lots of guys simultaneously. IOW, she's a female "player." Don't …
/r/seduction17/10/10 11:41 PM
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No, haven't watched it yet. But his stuff has a really good reputation, from what I've seen on some of the other forums I'm on.
/r/seduction16/10/10 09:52 PM
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Steve P.'s Website
/r/seduction16/10/10 09:02 PM
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No offense intended dude, but have you read any of the ample amounts of material that are out there on how to open? I mean, I'm usually the last person to play the "RTFM" card, but there isn't anything particularly unique about the fact that a girl is sitting diagonal across from you at a study table in the library. If you've learned some openers and basic skills, you should already know how to open her. If not, I'm wondering... have you read the New to this subreddit? link to your right? Have y…
/r/seduction15/10/10 09:55 PM
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Hmmm... my perception has been that any mention of seduction, PUA, or seddit over there, tends to degrade into a flame war. Of course if the OP doesn't point out that he's part of the seddit world, maybe he can get by. Even then, though, I question if he'll get an actually useful advice from asking this sort of question there.
/r/seduction13/10/10 02:07 PM
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If a guy approaches me totally randomly when I'm hanging around campus or whatever, then I assume he's just talking to me because of the way I look. And you consider that to be a bad thing? I mean, acknowledging that someone is physically attractive and saying "ok, she's cute, let me go get to know her and see if there's more to her than her looks" is a pretty normal thought process for a guy. If I cold approach a girl, I don't know that I want a relationship with her, but it's in the cards, ass…
/r/seduction13/10/10 12:07 AM
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But I assume all men who talk to me are just trying to get in my pants. Is that "just" in that sentence really literal? Or do you even consider that a guy who approaches you might - yes - want to get in your pants, but might also be interested in a long term relationship? Or are you simply using "just trying to get in my pants" as a sort of euphemism for all sexual/romantic intentions? If it's the former, how do you typically meet guys who become your boyfriends, fiance, husband, etc? Or how wou…
/r/seduction12/10/10 10:54 PM
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To what end? Starting another 2XC vs. Seddit flamewar? Do you think the OP is going to find the answers that he's looking for from asking over there?
/r/seduction12/10/10 10:50 PM
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I'm curious what you girls think when a random guy comes up to you at school or on the street or whatever. I'm curious why you're asking this question at all, and why you'd ask girls for advice. Women are very, very good at telling you what they think they want and how they think they will react, and really, really lousy at telling you how they actually respond. Members of the community have, however, collectively approached tens of thousands of women, and observed their reactions, and deduced c…
/r/seduction12/10/10 10:49 PM
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if, per say, I am reading a book (this has happened to me several times) and a guy walks up and says 'Hey, what are you reading?' I will promptly reject him with 'A book.' and leave it at that until he goes away. Sorry, but as a guy we can't adhere to a rule like "don't approach girls who are reading." There are plenty of women who do go sit at cafes and coffee shops, with a book, who are there hoping to be approached by guys. Since we have no way to easily discriminate between the ones who do a…
/r/seduction12/10/10 10:44 PM
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Why not just use P.A.I.R?
/r/seduction12/10/10 04:28 AM
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That's awesome news, bro! Keep up the hard work... your goals are attainable, just keep buggering on!
/r/seduction10/10/10 07:56 PM
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You are a high-value, popular, in-demand male, who can't be arsed sitting around waiting for people who don't respect your time. You did exactly the right thing by leaving. Now one important point... when (if) you talk to her again, DO NOT apologize! Let her know that you're disappointed that you guys couldn't finish your conversation, but that you had other demands on your time... and just make plans to see her again, another time and place.
/r/seduction10/10/10 02:43 AM
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When I'm talking to someone and I can't talk in internet memes or computer science Yeah, that's a problem a lot of us geeks have. We tend to be very absorbed in our little world, and - since not a lot of women are into computer science - you don't meet many women where you simply luck into having that in common. There are ways to deal with that though. Just read the top headlines on news.google.com or CNN every day or so, or read a newspaper... pick up an issue of Star or People every now and th…
/r/seduction09/10/10 09:43 PM
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If you're trying to run game on 16 year olds, yeah, sure, there's a strong chance they haven't heard those lines hundreds of times. What does it matter if they've heard them hundreds or thousands of times? There are only so many ways to break the ice with total strangers... as long as you aren't saying anything offensive, rude, or socially awkward, it doesn't really matter what you say. Unless you're got solid charisma and energy when you use them, they're going to fail. If you do have solid cha…
/r/seduction09/10/10 09:33 PM
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Cool... so study up on the art of small talk in general. There are lots of resources on the subject available. In addition to the generic stuff mentioned above, you might also find some value in Kezia Noble's "10 Hook Lead System" program and/or her "Deep Connection" program. She's one of the few female PUA instructors I know of who has some really solid advice... and her stuff largely reduces to "how to talk to people and build a connection" and is actually close to gender-neutral. But I consid…
/r/seduction09/10/10 08:25 PM
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There's nothing girl specific about that interaction... would it have been any different if it were a strange male? Think about this... "Guys are just really ugly girls." Do you have a problem talking to guys? If so, start with the basics: How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie How to Talk to Anyone by Leil Lowndes How to Instantly Connect with Anyone by Leil Lowndes How to Start a Conversation and Make Friends by Don Gabor A few other thoughts... go read the you are new sectio…
/r/seduction08/10/10 04:25 AM
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Speed Seduction FTW!
/r/seduction08/10/10 03:22 AM
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have more girls posting on your facebook, and more pictures of you with hot girls having a good time. transform your facebook into DHV. Yep. It's also good to post pictures of you hiking in exotic locations, rock-climbing, mountain-biking, going to concerts, or whatever other fun and exciting activities you partake in.
/r/seduction08/10/10 03:15 AM
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22the+cube%22+routine
/r/seduction08/10/10 03:10 AM
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Well, if you want something that involves props, you can use runestone readings or tarot cards, or handwriting analysis. For "no props" how about palm-reading, or dream interpretation? Beyond that, it should be pretty easy to make up your own routines. Just read the books on palm-reading, tarot reading, astrology, etc. to learn the general patterns of how this kind of hokum goes... then pickup one of those various books you can find at any big chain bookstore which is full of various psychologic…
/r/seduction08/10/10 03:06 AM
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I've never tried Red... next time I'm at Sephora I'll see if they have some, and check it out. For the most part, I've been very happy with Burberry fragrances.
/r/seduction04/10/10 11:04 PM
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I usually wear either Burberry Brit or Burberry London, FWIW. If not that, John Varvatos Artisan. <shrug />
/r/seduction04/10/10 10:58 PM
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Doesn't strike me as particularly creepy. Of course every girl's threshold for what she considers "creepy" is different, but you could do worse. You can always open with something else though, then go "hey, wait a minute <sideways look> ... oh yeah, you go to <school name> right? I've seen you around before," blah, blah. Another point to consider... a little bit creepy isn't necessarily bad. 60 Years of Challenge talks a lot about how you sometimes have to risk "creepy." Read his stuff, it's gol…
/r/seduction04/10/10 07:09 PM
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Cool. Now turn it into a DHV story for other sets... "So, I was talking to Emma Watson the other day, and blah, blah, blah..."
/r/seduction04/10/10 12:14 AM
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Jesus, oneitis much? This doesn't sound a damn thing like oneitis. Putting a little bit of effort into seducing a girl isn't always bad. Chasing the same girl for months and months when she's showing no interesting, and doing so to the point of not pursuing other girls is bad. Obviously it's a subjective judgment how much effort you want to put into one seduction; but not everybody is on board with the 60 YOC "escalate and if she doesn't respond right away go to the next girl" style of game.
/r/seduction01/10/10 10:39 PM
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Oh yeah, girls totally speak in Bash variables! It's the new hotness... didn't you know?!?? ;-)
/r/seduction30/09/10 04:16 AM
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Oh yeah, they almost always at least laugh and smile and then go "oh no, I'm just $WHATEVER." At best, they immediately go into roleplaying with me and go "Ssssh, don't tell anybody" and look around sneakily, etc. Important thing to remember about openers though... it does not matter what you say. Choosing an opener is about your reaction to the opener, not hers. The only "magic" in any particular opener is that it fits your personality and is congruent with who you are. Everything else is all i…
/r/seduction29/09/10 04:22 PM
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I do most of my daygame stuff at bookstores with cafes (eg, Barnes & Noble or Borders) or somewhere like Starbucks or Panera Bread. So often the girls are sitting with laptops, writing or studying or something. My normal opener is to just walk up, smile and say something like: "Wow, that's a look of fierce concentration you've got going there... what are you studying?" "Hey, you writing the next Great American Novel there?" "You look like you're up to no good... what are you doing, hacking into …
/r/seduction28/09/10 10:55 PM
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That video segment was stupid and didn't prove anything. It was basically a trap for the PUAs... the hosts wanted them to fail and made sure they would. I mean, they had - what, 30 seconds - to talk to a woman who was predisposed to shoot them down from the beginning, in a contrived studio setting? Lame....
/r/seduction28/09/10 10:46 PM
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Ross Jeffries has a whole program on confidence, but I haven't seen it yet. However, based on what I've seen of his other programs, I expect it's excellent. He actually spends quite a bit of time on confidence - and how to cultivate it - in one of his other programs... unfortunately I can't sort out which one it was from my notes. I must not have taken very detailed notes during the section. If I can find it later I'll edit this and put in the name of the program and some of the highlights. Fail…
/r/seduction28/09/10 10:31 PM
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Learning pickup is arguably simple, but not necessarily easy. There are really only a few basic concepts that you have to learn... that part is easy. But getting out and applying it and suffering through the rejections as you learn, can be a challenge. Stick with it though, the results will come.
/r/seduction27/09/10 05:08 AM
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I'd hold off on spending money on PUA stuff, personally. Most of the info you need can be found online, either legitimately for free, as forum posts, youtube videos, etc., or as torrents of the big $$$ commercial products. The exception would be a few books that you can buy off the shelf at Barnes & Noble or Borders (or from Amazon.com), which make a good starting point and are probably worth owning for real. For starters, consider that guys are just really ugly girls. Now, can you talk to guys?…
/r/seduction27/09/10 04:55 AM
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Interesting... I'm sure the standards vary by country... I'm in the USA, and here, standards vary from state to state, city to city and department to department. The bigger cities tend to have the most demanding fitness tests. OTOH, small towns that are just beginning to hire their first paid staff and implementing a combination department, often don't do any physical testing at all. They usually hire guys who are experienced volunteers, either with the department in question, or a neighboring d…
/r/seduction26/09/10 08:15 PM
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I never ask girls if they have boyfriends, husbands, etc. If it comes up, I ignore it. "Ignore anything that doesn't advance the seduction." If I reach a point where I can't ignore it, I either play up the "I'm an amoral, bad-boy seducer and I don't care about your SO" or I might use some of the so-called boyfriend destroyer pattern language. In the former case, my response to "I can't go have dinner with you, I have a boyfriend" is something like "I know. What happens between you and your boyfr…
/r/seduction26/09/10 07:53 PM
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Also, I must add, if you lie about being a fireman, you should at least be super athletic. Firemen are required to pass very intense physical tests and are all tall and built up. That's not even close to universally true, especially when you factor in volunteer fire departments. I've known plenty of firefighters who were in all sorts of states physically... tall and skinny, short and fat, and everything in between.
/r/seduction26/09/10 07:51 PM
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Feh... There are a lot of factors that go into any sort of physical contest. When I first started BJJ, I was a fat, out-of-shape ex wrestler (250 lbs or so) and I could roll with good blue belts and with purple belts who where in that 150 lb range, and consistently stalemate them... that is, I couldn't submit them, but neither could they submit me. And I could pass their guard by using a stack pass, simply by being bigger and stronger, even with shitty technique. The point is, in any contest, bo…
/r/seduction24/09/10 04:13 AM
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Girls seem to think that I'm creepy and boring, even though I try my hardest not to do anything creepy around girls. A couple of points... creepy is NOT necessarily bad. A famous PUA named 60 Years of Challenge actually makes the point that you have to "risk being creepy" at some point. Being (somewhat) creepy is actually OK... how's that for a shock, huh? The thing is, don't be apologetic about being creepy! If you look at a girl and she "catches" you looking, don't look away like you got caugh…
/r/seduction24/09/10 03:35 AM
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By all means, I should feel great about myself. The only thing that makes me feel crappy about myself is the fact that I have zero capacity whatsoever for attracting women. No matter how successful I am in life, and no matter how proud I am of my accomplishments, none of it will make me feel good about myself. I am incapable of finding a girlfriend, and that makes me feel absolutely horrible, regardless of everything else I have going for me. FWIW, I thought exactly the same thing(s) about mysel…
/r/seduction24/09/10 03:24 AM
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If you don't already do so, I'm going to suggest you get seriously into weight-lifting. Not necessarily bodybuilding, or competitive (Olympic) weightlifting or competitive power-lifting, but just join a gym, and go in and start lifting and focus on getting stronger. If you don't have a background in this stuff, go to /r/fitness and trawl for some advice, or PM me and I can share some useful into with you. FWIW, I recommend adopting a power building approach, with a focus on increasing your numbe…
/r/seduction24/09/10 03:03 AM
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Second, you don't stick your tongue down your buddy's mouth unless it's to clear an oxygen-blocking obstruction. eh, I'm taking a different tack with this one female friend of mine.... I'm trying to sell her on the idea that you can do exactly that.... she just got married and definitely doesn't want a relationship with me... but it's obvious that there's some attraction there... so I'm working on subtly reframing her beliefs to the idea that it's perfectly natural for male/female "platonic frie…
/r/seduction23/09/10 01:00 AM
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"Sexual Prizing Theory" is some stuff that was originally written up by TVA_Oslo on mASF...the gist of theory is that you want to create a frame where the girl sees you as the "sexual prize." That is, through your words, body language, etc. you want to give her the idea that "if I fuck this guy, he's going to give me the fuck of my life" but without overtly bragging. So you have to introduce a sexual frame subtly: I like to do it by talking about movies in general, then bring up a specific movie…
/r/seduction23/09/10 12:57 AM
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<sigh /> Do NOT, I repeat do NOT, ask a girl anything about "being in a relationship," or "being more than friends," or anything of the sort, until after you've slept with her. Until then, the only thing you need to be worried about is escalation, verbally and physically. Banter, tease, cocky&funny, and escalate. Read all the mAsf posts from 60 Years of Challenge and google up the "Sexual Prizing Theory" stuff. Read, digest and apply that. Don't put her in a position to use her left-brain to con…
/r/seduction22/09/10 09:57 PM
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I guess it depends on your perspective... I consider the mood that I get into when listening to Slayer, Sepultura, Paradise Lost, My Dying Bride, Testament, Nuclear Assault, Danzig, etc. to be a positive mood. <shrug />
/r/seduction20/09/10 01:26 AM
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In addition to the resources mentioned by Stall, here's my stock answer to people asking about getting started: Read The Game, The Mystery Method, Rules of The Game, and The Pickup Artist. Read Robert Green's The Art of Seduction. Subscribe to the free email newsletters from David DeAngelo, Ross Jeffries, TSB Magazine, etc. Join /r/seduction and read the articles there, and ask questions. Visit http://www.fastseduction.com/youarenew/ and read the stuff there. Search Youtube for videos by Ross Je…
/r/seduction18/09/10 02:45 AM
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Women can be found pretty much anywhere... bookstores, coffee shops, restaurants, bars, clubs, yoga classes, meetups, waiting at the bus-stop, at the grocery store, etc., etc. Sounds like you just need to get a little more comfortable with the process of meeting women in various settings, other than school. Take a look at some of these links, all the knowledge you need is out there... http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ctoxh/new_to_seddit_check_here_first/ http://www.fastseduction.com/yo…
/r/seduction09/09/10 12:31 AM
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Well, if we need more backup, there are likely to be some sympathetic redditors at /r/mensrights. They have more subscribers than seddit as well. :-)
/r/seduction08/09/10 01:23 AM
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Why should it be awkward to talk to her? You asked her to do something, she said no, right? If you ask one of your buddies to do something and he says "no," does that make it awkward to talk to him in the future? No.... Just remember, she's not that special or important... she's just another chick, and you're the prize. Talk to her if you feel like talking to her. It's your reality, do whatever you like.
/r/seduction05/09/10 12:37 AM
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I wouldn't say it's creepy, but I think it might be perceived as kinda "try hard" and therefore unattractive. Just talk to her more first, save stuff like that for later. That said... it's not what you do, it's how you do it. Come off as confident and assured and suave and you can get away with about anything.
/r/seduction05/09/10 12:35 AM
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Absolutely. First of all, there's the aspect of simply improving your physique and being more physically attractive. Second, there is some evidence that heavy lifting increases testosterone levels, which is correlated with being more aggressive, etc. And finally, there's simply the self-confidence factor... as you improve your lifts and get stronger, your belief in yourself and your capacity for improvement will grow... and finally, to the extent that fitness correlates with survival ability (eg…
/r/seduction31/08/10 12:44 AM
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Chapel Hill
/r/seduction25/08/10 12:27 AM
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Exactly. It's all about transitioning. A "dull" opener is fine, just immediately transition out of it. PUA: "What's your major?" HB: "Psychology." PUA: "I love psychology, especially as it relates to psychological thrillers. Did you see 'Eyes Wide Shut?' HB: "Yeah." PUA: "Yeah, what a great movie... it's eerie, kinda creepy, not exactly scary and very sexual. Know what I mean?" HB: "Blah, blah, blah." PUA: "Yeah, I don't know why that movie was so controversial, just because it deals with sex. P…
/r/seduction24/08/10 02:35 AM
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Jeez dude, open your mind a little bit. Quit forcing everything into your narrow, constricted worldview. Look beyond the details and look for the abstract principles that underlay things, for crying out loud. Nobody is saying that male and female seduction are exactly the same, so that's a total strawman. What some of us (myself included) are saying is that there are patterns to human psychology and behavior that span genders, and that where those principles intersect seduction, some useful gene…
/r/seduction22/08/10 09:15 PM
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Seduction works both ways... sure, there are certain differences, but a lot of the basics are the same both ways. Read "The Rules" sometime and notice how similar some of the principles are... it reduces to things like "show value through scarcity" and "don't be needy" etc. The biggest difference, obviously, is that women have the option to just sit back and wait for guys to approach them. It might or might not be the best strategy for a given woman, but it's almost always a failing strategy for…
/r/seduction22/08/10 07:03 PM
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I'm not saying I would do it, at least not on any regular basis. I might do something "different" as a one off thing just to make a point, but that's just me. I'm just saying that - for the OP - what he's talking about is probably perfectly reasonable for him. Understand that there's a difference between approving of somebody else doing something, and saying you would or wouldn't do it yourself.
/r/seduction22/08/10 03:51 AM
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Just means the girls I'm after are already pre-sorted out of the dating pool, so I don't need to reject them myself. I don't grok what you're trying to say there.
/r/seduction21/08/10 06:15 AM
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This has nothing to do with me, I make it a point to always be early for meetings and I despise people who are late. But in the context of what the OP was saying, it makes sense. Trying to show how sensitive, caring and respectful you are is great... IF you want to be seen as a provider. OTOH, selectively showing that you do your own thing and don't wuss out by laying on some big apology for being 5 minutes late, can certainly be a part of building a certain vibe. Of course you can overplay that…
/r/seduction21/08/10 06:14 AM
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It's not what you say, it's how you say it. That's probably a quite fine line to deliver, but you'd have to be calibrated to the girl / situation in question. Done in cocky/funny fashion and without any hint of apology, it would probably be great in quite a few situations. Don't forget... push/pull, hot/cold... and emotions are good, even a little hint of negative emotion, as long as you don't overdo it.
/r/seduction21/08/10 01:22 AM
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Women look for different qualities in different kinds of mates. Planning and reliability are important if you want to be perceived as a beta provider, which is fine if you want to get married, settle down, get cuckolded and raise some alpha bad-boy's kid. Considering the OP mentioned Roissy, I'm guessing he made a conscious decision which frame he wanted to go after; based on his values.
/r/seduction21/08/10 01:18 AM
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I don't adhere to any one specific "school." But I've been heavily influenced by Mystery's Mystery Method, Ross Jeffries' Speed Seduction, David DeAngelo's stuff, Captain Jack's stuff, the material from 60 Years of Challenge and the "Sexual Prizing" theory of TVA_Oslo. I've studied material from a lot of other sources, but those are the primary ones I can cite as influences.
/r/seduction31/07/10 02:27 AM
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Everybody has something useful to teach. I get what you're saying about how most women are too caught up in the Disney Fantasy to offer helpful advice, but there are women who "get it" and can absolutely provide useful insights. And generally, in my experience, women who make it a point to actually engage the PUA community and offer their help, DO have useful info to share. Anyway, at the end of the day, it's about the result. If you achieve the outcome you're seeking, whether it's getting laid,…
/r/seduction31/07/10 12:26 AM
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Don't the ideas behind CT (Cognitive Therapy) fly in the face of that? I thought there whole deal was the idea that emotions (mood) can be (and are) influenced by our "rational" or left-brain thinking, and that by influencing what one thinks, you can influence their feelings. Granted, psychotherapy isn't seduction, but if this stuff is rooted in a correct understanding - to some extent - of how the brain works, it should be applicable in different contexts.
/r/seduction29/07/10 02:54 AM
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This isn't specifically about seduction per-se, but I think some of these mental techniques might be useful to PUAs or aspiring PUAs. I like the bit about reading Kafka or Alice in Wonderland to stimulate the mind... I really believe there is something to that. Not to say I'm going to start reading AiW before every sarging session, but...
/r/seduction07/04/10 06:14 PM
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I actually like that subreddit. Some of the stories are amusing to read, it's a great place to troll, and I like being (one of the) only voice(s) sending the whiny guys posting "How, oh how do I meet a girl?" to this subreddit and the seduction community.
/r/seduction03/03/10 03:09 AM
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Well, the buzz around The Selfish Gene was one of the things that kickstarted the development of evolutionary psychology as a field, as I understand it (although to be fair, I wasn't around then to witness it first hand). There seems to be a lot in The Selfish Gene that does dovetail with studies of human behavior. But the reason I recommend it here is more for background, and perspective. Assuming one accepts Dawkin's reasoning, it can really affect your outlook on things, and help you put thin…
/r/seduction21/02/10 07:24 PM
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I've always classified stuff like that as an IVD (Interactive Value Demonstration) not a DHV... but in the end, the key point to remember is this: EVERYTHING you say and do, is a "delivery mechanism;" where you are delivering communications intended to create states and feelings, or invoke processes, that result in it feeling natural for the girl to want to shag your brains out. Whether you call it a DHV, IVD, "sexual prizing", "cocky & funny", "speed seduction pattern", a joke, a story, a poem,…
/r/seduction20/02/10 06:18 AM
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Losing cause... women just don't, and can't, understand this stuff... They genuinely believe their own bs about "I wear my hair long because I like the way it looks, and I do it for my benefit, not yours." Well, yes, but more appropriately you should say you do it for the benefit of your selfish genes. Because on an instinctive level, you are driven to look sexy in order to capture the attention of the highest ranking male possible. Likewise when one says "We wear makeup and cute clothes, etc. i…
/r/seduction17/02/10 05:34 PM
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Who is Vince Kelvin and 60 years of challenge? Vince Kelvin was once one of Ross Jeffries students, and is widely associated with Speed Seduction. For a while he co-taught seminars and stuff with Ross. They had a falling out, apparently, but Vince is still pretty well known and put out some good material of his own a while back. 60 YOC is one of the "up and coming" guys who's created a lot of buzz in the community the past 6 months or so. He mostly posts on mASF but people are talking about his …
/r/seduction17/02/10 03:17 PM
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Hey guys, some folks I was talking to recently mentioned an interest in a group or forum dedicated to discussing this book. So here's a Google Group... join up if you're interested.
/r/seduction17/02/10 02:30 AM
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Vin DiCarlo Carlos Xuma Captain Jack El Topo Gunwitch Paul Janka David Wygant Alan Roger Currie Lovedrop Major Mark Cunningham Michael "Bishop" Emery IN10SE Vince Kelvin 60 Years of Challenge
/r/seduction17/02/10 01:18 AM
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QFT? Quoted For Truth
/r/seduction16/02/10 10:30 PM
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Of course I do... But the account I use currently has been used enough that somebody determined could probably piece together my real world identity from it. Heck, it probably wouldn't be very hard at all. And if I started posting field reports here, it would be way easy to accidentally say something that somebody could identify... Even without using actual names, if you go into the level of detail that a proper FR should have, it would be awfully easy to "give something away." Thanks, but I'll …
/r/seduction16/02/10 10:28 PM
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Seddit is too open to 'the public' which creates flaming posts, criticism from women, bad advice from wannabes etc. QFT. This forum is too public for me to post FRs, etc. to.
/r/seduction16/02/10 06:02 PM
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The Game - Neil Strauss The Mystery Method - Mystery Revelations - Lovedrop, Matador, etc. (Venusian Arts) Sperm Wars - Robin Baker The Red Queen - Matt Ridley The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins mASF 60 Years of Challenge Anti-Manifesto Covert Persuasion - Kevin Hogan
/r/seduction15/02/10 03:43 PM
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"How old are you?" "Guess" "I just wanted to make sure you were legal before this goes any further." "Where are you from?" "Guess" "Gallifrey?" "WTF? "Anyway, you have pretty hair, is that your natural color?"
/r/seduction09/02/10 02:22 AM
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I think so. Even if looks aren't as important to women, there are a LOT of other reasons to work out. I find - as I think most people would - that being fit gives me more energy, more confidence and just an all around more positive outlook. There's something about participating in something challenging and seeing yourself make progress over time that has a strong psychological impact. Lifting weights can also increase your testosterone levels which helps make your more confident, more aggressive…
/r/seduction08/02/10 06:44 PM
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I don't wear cologne during the day for work, but I keep a bottle of Eternity in my car. If I go out after work, I may or may not take time to spritz some on. But when I go out specifically to go sarging (on weekends usually) I always wear cologne. I alternate between Artisan (John Varvatos), Brit (Burberry) and London (Burberry).
/r/seduction08/02/10 05:43 AM
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Well, I've said this numerous times: "Never take dating advice from a Woman" and I haven't seen evidence to contradict that (yet, but I'm open minded, and appreciate her taking the time to post), I've always interpreted that as "never take advice from average chicks, your casual female friends, etc." A woman who chooses to become part of the PUA scene, understands what we're doing, and has the ability to introspect a little, can give valuable advice, IMO. I'm good friends with a female instructo…
/r/seduction04/02/10 01:22 AM
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I am so sick of this anti-PUA sentiment here on Reddit, Yeah, I've been noticing a lot of that lately. I keep trying to help guys on /r/relationship_advice by pointing them in the direction of the seduction community, and I keep get downvoted and/or mocked by PUA haters. Oh well... whatever.
/r/seduction02/02/10 02:31 AM
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Ok, if you're trying to write a dissertation/thesis in EP, then I'll grant that you will need to dive deeper into game theory. My impression (given where this thread is being posted) is that the OP just wants some further expansion on - and some justification for the belief in - some of the concepts from EP. Given that, why would he need a much more significant background in Game Theory? I should expand on what I said above in one regard though... Tit for Tat is simply one of the most basic mode…
/r/seduction29/01/10 08:40 PM
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Damn that article is a bit too heady for me. I'm not used to reading philosopical/mathematical discourses. I wonder if I cam find a "game theory for dummies" somewhere. In Dawkins' The Selfish Gene there's a pretty good explanation of the game theory stuff that is involved with evopsych. The basic stuff to understand isn't that complicated. If you can understand the idea of a Prisoner's Dilemma and an Iterated Prisoner's Dilemma enough to understand the idea behind Tit for Tat then you probably …
/r/seduction28/01/10 11:13 PM
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The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins. As I understand it, this book more or less kicked off the resurgence of interest in the whole idea of "sexual selection" and kinda jump started the field of evopsych. The Red Queen - Matt Ridley Sperm Wars - Robin Baker The Evolution of Desire - David Buss The Mating Mind- Geoffrey Miller The Moral Animal - Robert Wright How The Mind Works - Stephen Pinker (all of Pinker's other books would probably be of interest as well. It's 5 total books, making up two tri…
/r/seduction28/01/10 10:58 PM
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I've read it, I enjoyed it. I'm not bisexual, and I don't recall that part of the discussion terribly well. I do plan to reread that book again at some point though. All told, I'd say it's worth reading. Some of the author's conclusions are controversial, but read it for perspective, and then consider contrasting viewpoints. In addition to Sperm Wars, some other good reads are The Selfish Gene, The Red Queen, The Evolution of Desire and The Mating Mind. I don't know to what extent - or even if -…
/r/seduction27/01/10 04:19 PM
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Simply the fact that it is possible to go up to a girl you don't know and start something up with her. Really, I didn't think this was possible before. This. A year ago I was in awe of the guys who could approach random women, strike up a conversation, and walk away with a phone number and/or plans to meet again. Now, I can do the same thing, albeit not necessarily as consistently as I'd like too... but it is no longer the case that those kind of experiences are totally alien to my world.
/r/seduction24/01/10 08:49 PM
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Well said, bro!
/r/seduction14/01/10 05:11 PM
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There is so much ignorance being displayed in that thread, that I decided not to even try and post anything. Any actual signal there would have quickly gotten drowned out by the noise. It's sad that so many women think that "negs" are all there is to seduction, and maybe even sadder that so many guys think negs are the epitome of seduction techniques and overuse / misuse them in such a way that they wind up actually insulting girls. Personally I don't buy Mystery's theory about lowing the girl's…
/r/seduction05/01/10 02:41 AM
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The LSS
/r/seduction04/01/10 06:00 AM
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But you seem to believe it is the pua way or the wrong way. Not at all.. I'm just saying that there are some guys (I was one of them, FWIW) who need the "pua stuff" and for whom simply approaching (was|is) not sufficient. I spent years talking to girls (decades, actually) and had almost no success at all. I started studying PUA material and have - in the past year - already had more success than I had in the preceding 20+ years. Things that may have seemed perfectly normal to some guys were comp…
/r/seduction23/12/09 07:33 PM
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Believe it or not some guys have been getting laid for a long time with a mindful of limiting beliefs. FTFY. Never mind that the goal - for many of us at least - is not simply to "get laid" by any random chick we happen to luck into who is horny and (by pure happenstance) finds us physically attractive. The goal is to gain a measure of choice, so that you don't wind up in - as Ross J. puts it - "relationships by default." But if you don't talk to girls I guarantee all the movies and pua material…
/r/seduction22/12/09 10:16 PM
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James Bond but particularly daniel craig's portrayal. QFT.
/r/seduction22/12/09 12:31 AM
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Want to improve your game go out and talk to chicks for three hours rather then watching a movies and I guarantee you will see infinitely more improvement then a single movie mentioned on here. Bullshit. You can approach 3000000000 women, and if you don't change your fundamental beliefs about women, seduction, dating, sex, etc. then you can just wind up in the "friend zone" 3000000000 times. Quit giving people this lame advice, for fucks sake. Approaching is good, everybody should approach, no d…
/r/seduction22/12/09 12:30 AM
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Basic Instinct - Sharon Stone's character just oozes sexuality in a way that will help you get past any limiting beliefs about how sexual women are (and want to be). Dangerous Liasons - Just good stuff about the mindset of a seducer, and also some good stuff about how women want to be seduced. The Libertine - Again, the mindset of being an unabashed rake and not giving a fuck about what other people think. 300 - To get your testosterone flowing. Watch this before going sarging. A Streetcar Named…
/r/seduction22/12/09 12:27 AM
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The Mating Mind by Geoffrey Miller The Evolution of Desire by David Buss
/r/seduction05/12/09 07:10 AM
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