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The Narrativesawyer94117/r/MGTOW17/06/18 03:38 AM
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You don't have to, but why not have that tool in your toolbox? Otherwise you're saying you basically wish for delusion.
/r/TheRedPill13/08/23 05:41 PM
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that people will assume that, like Johnny, the guy must be as abusive as his partner. Aw, man, that would be the worst case. It's not like when men are abusive, take Chris Brown for example, that the first step is to assume that it was really Rihanna being abusive -- it would be like calling the police after being robbed and being accused of robbing the robber, doesn't make any sense to me. That being said there does tend to be the tendency of leaning toward putting the onus on the man, regardle…
/r/ExRedPill05/06/22 10:04 PM
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I guess my take was more basic. That this could be a case that shifts the narrative in most people's minds that men can't be abused. Like the court system is predicated on landmark case that shift the thinking on certain issues, the court of public opinion is the same. I wasn't trying to paint you into a corner. Simply taking umbrage to victims needing to be perfect to be worthy of sympathy. Or mudding the waters, alluding to both sides having a role to play (I, myself, used to be told that I wa…
/r/ExRedPill03/06/22 09:45 PM
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Are you saying he's not a good enough victim or that he's not a victim?
/r/ExRedPill01/06/22 06:31 PM
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The majority were women accusing men of being indecent. What are your thoughts on the Depp jury needing to be unanimous? Just seems like the odds are stacked against guys for just being guys. Guilty til proven otherwise.
/r/ExRedPill29/05/22 11:36 PM
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Confusing what you're asking here. Care to be more specific? Is it to kick this habit? To find someone steady? To balance both? Neither? You could take the money you'd put into this an reinvest it into yourself. Probably won't be bagging any swimsuit models, but it's something you could build from. I guess the only thing I could add is that people have their own things going on, so don't try to be too overbearing with yours. Consider this, if there was a version of you that made this a defining …
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 08:49 AM
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Where are the mods? I know I'd get modded saying anything like this as a man, why aren't we treating women equally? Or does equality only come into play when it helps? Well, that's not equality, that's preferential treatment. So a lady can voice her grievances and be "brave", but when a man does the same it's toxic? I'm to be seen and not heard, eh? Or I'm only allowed to say what you want to hear, says more about you than me. "To those accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
/r/ExRedPill07/05/22 06:02 AM
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Oh wow, looking through these comments I'm convinced most of these posters are women. Really does say something that such a guy is the guy that resonates... (I get it, our most anxious ancestors were the most likely to survive to pass on their genes.)
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 06:48 PM
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Geez, it's called ex-RED PILL! How many imposters do we have here? Is EVERY space a female space? OP literally has comments on make-up. Guess any time there's a male space it's a threat, but we can't have enough female spaces. Give them an inch, they'll take everything. No doubt OP is a black female, tacking on as an aside at the end that I'm sure he had some good qualities (giving me strong "and some, I assume, are also good people” vibes -- no one's buying it). This isn't what this community i…
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 06:45 PM
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He's saying to hone in on what makes you you. If you saw a goth chick and tried to be goth, then saw a farm girl and tried to be a cowboy, then saw a bookworm so tried to be a nerd, saw an athletic girl then tried to be a jock, etc., I think you get the point, then you'd be all over the place. Women want to know what you're about. It's important for guys to exhibit that stability so she knows what to conform to. Changing yourself for whatever hot piece of ass that walks in through the door comes…
/r/ExRedPill26/04/22 05:52 PM
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My thoughts on this is that this is the equivalent of the tatted up, fake boob, fake tan, fake lips chick. The one anyone can use like a village bike, and, as such, don't really much mind what happens. A lot of time both girls and guys can build things up in their heads. But with one of these guys there isn't that. Things can happen with them and there aren't very high expectations. A guy a woman sees something long term with she'd, paradoxically, be less likely to get with upfront and will inst…
/r/ExRedPill26/04/22 05:41 PM
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Yeah...but it was a pornstar... Now, if you had pulled a nun...I'd be taking notes.
/r/seduction26/04/22 01:36 AM
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Unless you think you are always the best, there is a chance someone else could whisk her away. What do you want to hear? "That you're the ultimate man for every woman"? Or "that you found one that would never leave you"? It's possible, but how are strangers on the internet supposed to pick up on that? You know what will be picked up on? Your insecurity. It's repellent for women. Think of it this way. Say you were in a relationship and the girl of your dreams came into your life and wanted to be …
/r/seduction23/04/22 07:23 PM
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Cold approach isn't dead if you're hot.
/r/ExRedPill22/04/22 12:19 AM
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Must be nice to have nice as a baseline. Instead of, you know, the opposite. Suspicion, fear, hatred, etc.
/r/ExRedPill15/04/22 03:26 PM
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Your goal shouldn't be to just have a gf. She'll sense that you need it and that'll repel her. Women should be the cherry on top. A wholly unnecessary ass-essory. Sounds harsh, I know, but that's just the way it goes. A man can change a woman's life overnight, doesn't work the other way around. Fortunately, as a man, the better you do the more women will be at your disposal (as opposed to women, when they do better, it lowers their available pool of possible mates, since they need a man who's ab…
/r/ExRedPill31/03/22 11:35 PM
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In that being a jerk is a devolution to a baser self. We're all selfish initially, but we grow past that. Therefore, you're suggesting working your way up to what wasn't working in the first place. I supposed I'm wondering what would constitute being mature? Would it not be a return to form of what didn't work before? Or trying to be even more of that? (Also, it sort of sidesteps why this behavior is preferential. It's the idea that a guy who's a jerk is more willing to take...meaning he'd have …
/r/ExRedPill29/03/22 03:40 AM
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Probably cause the better version of themselves lost out to a worse version of themselves. So telling them to be an even better version doesn't hold much water. Like telling someone to do the same thing and expect a different result.
/r/ExRedPill28/03/22 10:25 PM
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and had less poor mental health than those who were bullied. That's like saying the guards that beat the prisoners with batons had fewer marks. Really? This is what passes for "science" these days? SMH.
/r/ExRedPill28/03/22 12:03 AM
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Not sure I'd want to be Putin. Always having to worry about assassination and basically being forced to do whatever it takes to keep power to keep himself safe from prosecution. To be the richest person in the world but feel like the walls are constantly closing in? You wouldn't be able to enjoy your position or money much.
/r/ExRedPill28/03/22 12:01 AM
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That basically perfectly encapsulates my experience. I didn't come from the best situation growing up, so, when I was in a position to "woo" women, I wanted to do the opposite. Can't tell you how many times I heard "you're a really nice guy" -- still brings up painful memories -- eventually I figured I'd do the polar opposite. Started to do well with the ladies, but it reminded me too much of my childhood. Growing up I kept telling myself there was no way I'd be like this, and, having it work le…
/r/ExRedPill27/03/22 11:58 PM
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This is like saying "drugs make people happier and more willing to seek out risky behavior". You gotta ask why? What function is this fulfilling? And, like any other "high", you build a tolerance and have to go for more. It's not addressing the underlying behavior. Like putting an ever bigger bandaid on a wound that festers more and more. Also sounds like the definition of "peaked in high school". (From an evolutionary perspective, the aggressiveness can be seen as an indicator of willingness to…
/r/ExRedPill27/03/22 11:53 PM
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Okay, I can see where you're coming from with that. Sort of shifting through to see what fits, leaving emotion at the door. When you put it that way it's like red pillers are doing what was done to them.
/r/ExRedPill25/03/22 07:29 AM
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Really? That wasn't the impression I got at all. By my observation an average red-piller would be more likely to resist any overriding doctrine. In fact they would say that that's part of the problem. Now it's certainly possible that, like politics, the loudest voices tend to be heard the most. Given its predisposition to not wanting to be misled, it would stand to reason that this community would be particularly hostile to unsubstantiated claims. That being said they may also be more predispose…
/r/ExRedPill25/03/22 07:29 AM
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I think that's a touch unfair. I think a lot of people seek it out looking for answers or, dare I say, healing. Like going though life with a controller that's inverted and nothing they're doing seems to make sense. That being said, it's like siding with a political party, that doesn't mean that everyone with the same affiliation is gonna be spot on because of it.
/r/ExRedPill25/03/22 07:22 AM
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I think it's telling that society focuses on women's boundaries. As though those are the only boundaries that can be breached. You may think that's because they only care about how women are affected, but they do talk to boys about boundaries - in that they should forget they have any where women are involved - after all you would want her to use the whip of crocodile tears. Oh wait, I guess that is focusing on women's concerns. In short, women are told to not let anyone in and men to let anyone…
/r/TheRedPill28/12/21 12:59 AM
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But YOU better not be self-centered. When you do it you're a misogynist, but when it's me I'm a hero. Say it or I'll have everyone attack you! If this is a patriarchy we're got a few basic things to sort out.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 03:36 AM
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Makes me think of all the things done for "equality". Measures to undercut men -- that men have no say in -- reducing their position in the eyes of women and leading to "women being most affected".
/r/MensRights29/11/21 03:33 AM
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Well, when things are tougher I'm not sure that'd qualify as "mental barriers to success". We've all got to decide if what we're doing is worth the effort. And when you've got to put in more effort than others and even then it may not be enough...well you said it yourself, they're pretty good at working out problems. Look I get that things are tougher, but is this not only acknowledging the game is racist but also feeding into it? Like reinforcing a dog's negative behavior. At that point you're …
/r/TheRedPill14/10/21 03:20 PM
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In Silicon Valley, there's a lot of new tech money and much more available guys than chicks (though, to a woman what does that even mean? Aren't they always on the market? With an ear ever to the ground for better offers.) If the system worked they way we've been told (do well in school to do well in college to do well in the market) these would be the most valuable guys. Sure there's the bank being made, but if, ostensibly, the ones contributing the most to the tribe - fleeting apps aside, this…
/r/TheRedPill12/10/21 04:37 PM
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"We have mating inequality in the country," he said, adding that women with college degrees don't want to partner with men who don't hold a degree. In other words only female preference should matter. If it weren't for double standards women wouldn't have standards at all.
/r/TheRedPill12/10/21 04:02 PM
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Funny how women can't stand the guys that do as they're told and yet...can't seem to stop telling men what to do. THEN tell guys to stop calling them bossy for, you know, being bossy. Strange how they don't advocate such restraint when it comes to calling men every name in the book. Look at what they do, not what they say. (Btw, the only way this is a crisis is cause they'll be fewer beta bucks to catch the ladies that crash 'n burn after the guys that they actually want fall through. The only r…
/r/TheRedPill12/10/21 03:58 PM
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Is it just me or do these sound like those chick magazines telling women how to "win a guy"? Guess if you need it...
/r/TheRedPill10/10/21 01:35 AM
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Doesn't sound like you messed up. You're in prime position. The response to the text should have been: "And?" She flaked on YOU! Why should you care? At that point you should basically go for broke, I mean, what do you have to lose? Or, you know, you pant alone in your room, really, really hoping she likes you. You can't leave the door open. To them you slightly wavering may as well be a confession (meanwhile you gotta have them dead to rights and even then they'll deny it -- men tend to project…
/r/TheRedPill24/09/21 02:40 PM
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Even IF this is true, what's it saying? He'd have been better off if he had avoided women entirely? Sounds like this poster started with the end and worked their way back. Kinda like a woman...
/r/TheRedPill20/07/21 11:55 PM
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I laughed out loud at that point. What's the moral of this story: stay a loser forever...or die?
/r/TheRedPill20/07/21 11:51 PM
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Did she get her life preserver kids?
/r/TheRedPill21/06/21 09:50 AM
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Cuts both ways, i.e. if you're a really good lover her friends will pick up on it, adding to your social proof. Also, if you ever break up, they'll be knocking your door down. (Kinda like knowing your phone is tapped. You can use it to your benefit.)
/r/TheRedPill03/06/21 12:19 AM
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And for the ones that DON'T get this love, they crave it all the more. Really artificially inflates things for women. Not helped by guys putting them on pedestals. (And speaking to value, who is higher valued, those instructed to help or those receiving the help. From the time boys are men they are told to, proverbially speaking, put their coat over the puddle so she remains pure. But guys that do that are considered nice guys, which are a dime a dozen, yet it's the ones that don't that are valu…
/r/TheRedPill02/06/21 06:40 AM
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Hahaha, if you can't beat them...be them? I don't get it, who are we rooting for again? That all sounds...exhausting. Most things that are monumental are incremental. It's about putting the hours in. You're saying every time you gotta do work you need to find something to be angry about. Years from now when you're a Product Manager you're saying you'll need to think about when Becky was mean to you to do your job? Why breath further life into this, reopening the scars. It's already had an negati…
/r/TheRedPill30/03/21 08:08 AM
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Right, it's fascinating how quickly women will defer to the "group" even if the group has been altered with. You could hire every girl at a bar but one, get all the others to be incredibly flirtatious with you and the unsuspecting girl will be more into you. This is what guys feel like they're missing out on? Sounds like a whole lot of something for a whole lot of nothing.
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/21 09:14 AM
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Wonder if this extends beyond courtship. If women in general value men less. And if modern tools are giving the impression that there's an endless supply of men and they all want you. No wonder a guy who didn't would come off as a breath of fresh air.
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/21 09:06 AM
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So you're telling me I can sleep around and still get a retirement plan? I don't see the problem.
/r/BlackPillScience21/03/21 05:02 PM
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Midwits need this. I think you meant to say dim--hey! I see what you're doing! Almost got me with that one.
/r/BlackPillScience21/03/21 05:00 PM
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Also makes sense why there seem to be common period of time (lets say 3-4 months) where relationships just brake - because of the Coolidge effect - Wikipedia Could you speak more on this? It is something I've been noticing also. You see it on those reality dating shows where they spend a few months trying to find someone to spend the rest of their lives with -- for a few months. I figured it was because the competition was no longer there to serve as social proof. Would like to hear your thought…
/r/BlackPillScience21/03/21 04:58 PM
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Walk a mile in another's shoes... When they approach they probably feel a lot of the same things guys feel. "I hope they don't reject me", "I hope we hit it off" vs "how can I disqualify this person". Going from judging to being judged. Women have been the gatekeepers. They selections have shaped the world we live in. But that doesn't mean they've made good choices. Imagine how better off the world would be if women picked the best mate for society, rather than just themselves.
/r/BlackPillScience21/03/21 04:44 PM
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But...but...none of that matters. All you have to do is be a really good, super-duper person and that perfect somebody will waltz right into your life. Now that I say it aloud I realize how dumb it sounds.
/r/BlackPillScience21/03/21 04:34 PM
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Of course love is real, it just isn't what it's been sold as. Humans are inherently selfish creatures, meaning they'll look after #1 first and with the majority doing that you can see what the trends are. We can talk about how people ought to be til we're blue in the face, but all that'll do is stress out the thinker/speaker. The main difference - and I think this is what gets people's goat - is that women can shout from every mountain top what they want and, despite the sugar-coating, it's all …
/r/TheRedPill21/12/20 05:07 AM
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Good lord, what world are you living in? And I suppose you and yours are just the type to save us from this peril of your own creation?
/r/TheRedPill10/12/20 04:32 AM
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Can we connect the dots? I get that the Left will play the victim card and then use the same oppressive tactics they claim are being used against them to oppress others. But to be perfectly honest I'm not seeing too much difference when it comes to the Right. Where the Left will use words and soft power (i.e. cultural incursions, like Hollywood), the Right has the threat of violence. Back in 2016, and to a lesser extent today - though it still exist, people were much more afraid of what Trump su…
/r/TheRedPill08/12/20 11:22 PM
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Don't forget that Napoleon dominated because he was the first to make artillery the focus (of course it doesn't hurt that he was an impoverished student on scholarship that had to make his own way, whose focus was artillery tactics vs many of his future opponents who had some divine right or another and so felt they didn't have to put in the work). And this is common. There's an established way of doing things. People crap on any change. A certain undeniable change comes around. People slowly ge…
/r/TheRedPill08/12/20 10:43 PM
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And now they are more miserable than ever before. Quick, find a way to blame men.
/r/TheRedPill25/11/20 04:47 PM
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It's a logical paradox. On one hand women at every turn at told they are amazing and even if they don't feel that way there's a support structure that lifts them up with their self-esteem being of paramount importance -- contrast that with men that get the opposite treatment. So it makes all the sense in the world that women, deep down, would find this off. So they seek guys that don't treat them like that. In fact the further they do the most intringuing they are. They know they can keep the de…
/r/TheRedPill25/11/20 04:45 PM
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The sad thing is self-awareness is largely off the table. That would suggest that they may have something to do with it. By and large men played a father figure -- by providing and protect. Women, in turn, played the role of the child, to be protected and cared for. That is when they feel the most feminine. Also since they can attach themselves to a winner and, by proxy, enjoy many a benefit it leads to magical thinking that that can work at the macro level. Basically it'd be like having sled do…
/r/TheRedPill19/11/20 06:30 PM
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Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKNvikVWWsk&ab_channel=TotalDarkness
/r/TheRedPill26/10/20 09:44 PM
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What's sad is that most guys get into the PUA lifestyle to get closer to women and most of the advice - which admittedly works - has to do with keeping one's distance. Like there has to be an emotional distance for the physical distance to be removed. So women have many an opportunity for the intimacy men crave but if men are found seeking it they'll be shooting themselves in the foot. In other words women have what men want but if men ask for it they can't get it.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/20 08:28 PM
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Women don't want the men that want them. They only want what they can't have. How else could this have played out?
/r/MGTOW27/08/20 07:16 AM
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Right, it's not very impressive when you literally need everyone in on it for it to work. When a man loves a woman he thinks "How can I show her?". When a woman loves a man she thinks of what she can get out of it.
/r/MGTOW27/08/20 05:00 AM
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Here's how her relationships go. Hide true self. Once we're comfortable let him know how much I hate him for being a man. Grow distant. Blame him for not being "man enough" to handle a "real woman". I almost feel sorry because for most of history men solved women's problems but here's one that says she doesn't need a man. Besides if I did try to do anything I'd just be a patriarch anyway.
/r/MGTOW26/08/20 02:01 PM
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It's like smacking someone and, as they are walking away, screaming "WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?!" No attempt to understand. Shaming tactics is literally all they have aka "Treat us with respect but don't you dare expect a damn thing from us." But this is what you get when life states that women are inherently more valuable so, to be anything as a man, you have to persist. And those that do make it are now the focus of envy. It's like getting wrapped up in a fishing net. Better to stand out…
/r/MGTOW26/08/20 01:57 PM
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How is this possible when anytime you suggest something you're seen as a misogynist/patriarch/oppressor? Meanwhile the other side is free to do worse with no recompense.
/r/TheRedPill25/08/20 07:39 PM
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I doubt many here would contest being the best you you can be for you. The issue is that most people let "society" dictate who they are to be, with that "society" being entities that have a vested interest in you behaving a certain kind of way. Usually it'll affect their bottom line in some way, but they'll present themselves as society's mouthpiece (the diamond industry coming up with engagement rings out of thin air comes to mind). It reminds be of when the Church was the most powerful entity …
/r/TheRedPill25/08/20 07:32 PM
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A "real" man does anything any woman wants.
/r/MGTOW25/08/20 06:44 PM
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That one statement summarizes the entirety of RP truth and it will help everyone eventually re-discover the truth --- "Relationships between adults are all about needs". Seems rather self-evident. Unfortunately men do the chasing so they ask women what they want. On the surface it makes sense, gather some intel before proceeding, but in practice it's like giving a child a blank check mixed with a get-out-of-jail free card. Any undesirable behavior can be added to that (i.e. "and be able to handl…
/r/TheRedPill25/08/20 05:42 PM
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So let me get this right, to pass a shit test treat women like shit. And if you don't you're invisible. Ergo, all men are jerks. It's all starting to make sense.
/r/MGTOW25/08/20 10:32 AM
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And this gentlemen, is what women want. It's been a pleasure.
/r/MGTOW25/08/20 10:31 AM
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Woman: No Man: Is Strong, Independent Has Man: Can Expect Help/Protection/Provision ​ Man: No Woman: Seen as "less" of a man. Has Woman: Expected to Help/Protect/Provide for her. As far as I can tell the only benefit is to not be shamed. But only low quality people resort to shame so you'll literally living your life to appease the shittiest people on the planet.
/r/MGTOW24/08/20 10:55 AM
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And how should dating be for men? Women don't fall in love with the help.
/r/MGTOW23/08/20 10:18 AM
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You violated the most sacred rule: "Women may criticize men til Kingdom Come, but never shall a man utter a single word of protest." Who's silencing who? You'd think if anyone would get it...
/r/MGTOW23/08/20 10:00 AM
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Cipher - "I'm done playing games. I'm looking for something serious."
/r/MGTOW23/08/20 09:58 AM
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90% of divorces that involve college-educated women are initiated by the woman. You'd think they'd make smarter decisions, you know, cause a all that learnin'! (Then again women only date up so she's probably getting a decent chunk of change, so maybe it IS the smart thing to do.)
/r/MGTOW23/08/20 09:51 AM
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Times 3-4.
/r/MGTOW23/08/20 09:48 AM
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It's like she is saying that the "nice guys" only deserve women who have already chased around the "bad guys"; that the nice guys don't get to share their twenties and maybe even their thirties, building their future with a life partner. Really goes to show how niceness is valued. Almost like it's chick repellent. One benefit of men being seen as invisible - basically if a guy reacts in a manner women dislike women can tell him he's not being "man enough", imagine men collectively telling women …
/r/MGTOW23/08/20 09:47 AM
19

They get angry and pretend that they are owed something or cut them off like that because they refused to come see her at the hospital. And yet guys that shower women with affection are seen as being creepy. Guys that don't give a F are mysterious and intriguing. After all how could they not value me? I have a vagina you know. You get what you demand and if you rule out nice guys then what are you left with? Not to mention that many men that do go the marriage route only show up out of obligatio…
/r/MGTOW23/08/20 09:36 AM
15

Nothing's ever women's fault. Always blame men. - Sheryl Sandberg (I'll sit back as the awards and magazine covers come rolling in.)
/r/MGTOW23/08/20 09:33 AM
5

Anyone else notice how the second piece of advice contradicts the first one? Which Sheryl do I listen to? The one who says I should, at least at the start, date men who think women shouldn't be smart, opinionated and ambitious. If I find a guy that does value fairness should I tell him I'll get around to him eventually, nice guys finish last after all, right fellas? Should I volunteer to do half of the activities outside the home or just demand it? Does all of this come off with an air of smugne…
/r/MGTOW23/08/20 09:29 AM
3

Oh god. Fanaticism pulling double duty.
/r/MGTOW23/08/20 09:14 AM
12

Last month I was talking to a guy who declared, kinda out of nowhere, that he was proud to be a male feminist. I couldn't help but think "you sad sad fool." Sure they'll use you but the second you have nothing to provide they'll show you the door. Much less if you need anything. It's very much a one-way street. I think to him it's just another thing you have to do to be "taken seriously". I wonder what I could get people to do to themselves if I controlled the narrative.
/r/MGTOW23/08/20 04:55 AM
1

What do a "orbiters seeking one" sound like? How can I tell one like this from one that's actually interested?
/r/TheRedPill22/08/20 10:15 PM
1

Of course, we do know that if men get involved with a woman and have children with her, or have a large extended family to look after, then that makes it necessary for them to do a lot of things they wouldn't have done normally. I can't number the number of times a man's career has stalled for the sake of a woman, especially when marriage and children are involved. You have this guy who is developing himself. He catches the eye of a woman because of said development. She wants to see what she's …
/r/TheRedPill22/08/20 12:44 PM
2

What's throwing many of these men for a loop is that the primary reason for facing the dragons was for a woman. Men are still expected to confront the dangers of the world, that much hasn't changed, but it's like fighting off hordes of dragons only to have the very thing you fought to protect stab you in the back. Men today need to learn to hack this primal drive to their benefit and reclassify women as another threat in the night. How many times do guys have to get Trojan horsed til they learn.…
/r/TheRedPill22/08/20 12:13 AM
3

although arranged marriage was enforced on BOTH man and woman That is a great point. I feel like men of today are expected to pay for the sins of their grandfathers. At least when you're arraigned for a crime they tell you what you're guilty of. In this case it just "I think we can all agree that men are to blame and we'll let you know when you've done enough." Except if that day ever came it would mean the end of their movement. The forced recruitment reminds be of the Reign of Terror, where pe…
/r/MGTOW21/08/20 05:36 PM
7

Bet your old man would have thought twice if he knew how she'd turn out. Woman put their best foot forward but only so long as they have to. Bet she didn't act that way in the beginning. But once you have what you want what's the incentive? If marriage didn't exist as a backdrop/insurance policy for women they would be more even-keeled because they'd know they couldn't keep it up forever. As it stand they just need to put forth an effort til they get a ring then they can let themselves go - and …
/r/MGTOW21/08/20 10:28 AM
2

Or only have kids just to show everyone they can. Like it's hard.
/r/MGTOW21/08/20 10:15 AM
3

It doesn't help that if you do then she'll think she "has" you and keep you on the back burner. Women can't respect a man who does everything to make her happy. In other words, what she wants is to not get what she wants. No wonder misery is so commonplace amongst their ranks. Another reason not to fall into their frame. Like quicksand it is.
/r/TheRedPill20/08/20 06:22 PM
1

Actually makes it worse for men. Women have their pick of well-to-do men that are overly competitive due to the ratio imbalance resulting in women not having to put in much effort. It's quite counterproductive if you look at it from the male perspective. Those who did everything that was asked of them - and better than the rest - end up with the worst outcomes. Now if you want nothing to do with women it's not too much different since most men have drank the kool-aid and seek to pander to the fe…
/r/MGTOW20/08/20 09:13 AM
13

Or you could undercut her frame. Women are very self-conscious. You just have to plant a seed. If her frame is BS then it'll undo itself. Something about that frame will see off to you so in an off-handed way bring it up. If pressed simply say "oh, nothing." Conversely live your philosophy, informing your actions from a solid foundation and nothing she can say can ever be used to dislodge you and she'll value you TONS for it. Because this is VERY rare. Very few, if any, women know how to operate…
/r/TheRedPill20/08/20 07:27 AM
2

"Give them nothing. But that from them EVERYTHING!"
/r/MGTOW20/08/20 07:10 AM
1

It doesn't take much. There was a singles chart floating around a while back. It showed the percentage of single men to single women. San Francisco had the highest percentage of single men to single women, and it was a bloodbath. On the other hand a place like Manhattan had more single women than single men and the opposite was true, women being on their best behavior, not pulling that "if you can't accept me at my worst you don't deserve me at my best" crap or anything else you can only manage …
/r/MGTOW20/08/20 06:26 AM
3

Strafe! Strafe!
/r/MGTOW19/08/20 08:46 AM
2

I'm assuming BLM stands for Bacon, Lettuce, Mayo.
/r/MGTOW19/08/20 08:43 AM
12

The potential was there. Then again you could say the same for Lindsay Lohen. If you ask me it's like how a kid will try to make the authorities around them happy. She just became a parrot. Have the time I doubt she even know what she's saying or why and for damn sure well over half the time it's not even her own words. That's what we called a "received opinion", children.
/r/MGTOW19/08/20 08:38 AM
1

I was going with overall. To the point that media messaging and the collective subconscious be affected. I bet if you asked everyone who the most beautiful person in the world was a white woman would probably come to mind. Beauty is a construct.
/r/MGTOW19/08/20 08:35 AM
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"If you don't for me, then you ain't black!"
/r/MGTOW19/08/20 08:28 AM
7

My two cents. One, resources are scarcer in the black community. More financial turmoil = more stress on the relationship. Women tend to shift blame so why would a man stick around if there's a bad situation and all he gets is an endless earful about it? Two, the most eligible black men started dating women outside of their race - the rate increased sharply during the late 60s. Think about it, you never hear white women complaining that white men pursue women outside their race. It's because whi…
/r/MGTOW19/08/20 08:27 AM
8

It's been like this as far back as anyone can remember. Men and women were pretty similar then women demanded certain types of guys. These were the only types that continued so you got more of them. Then men and women grew further and further apart, to the point that women actually wanted to be men. It wasn't good enough to identify something you lack and demand another become that for you. So women have gotten that too. This may be the first time in history that men, en masse, have said enough …
/r/MGTOW17/08/20 05:49 PM
1

Come to think of it I've never heard of a man being called a pedo...or a creep. I would say, for the most part, don't get wrapped up in it. It's like a bully. If you show you are bothered by something that's what they'll fixate on. This though, has very real world effects.
/r/MGTOW12/08/20 09:22 PM
10

So between Chad all other men and all other women Plus the men that cater to their every need. They are perhaps the most repulsive of all. Doesn't leave much - if any - room to negotiate.
/r/MGTOW12/08/20 09:19 PM
7

Let's not forget that until recently whenever a woman needed anything she needed a man to take care of it for her. An eternal child appealing to an eternal Santa.
/r/MGTOW12/08/20 09:18 PM
21

For the longest time I didn't get why it was so much harder to hit on women in public. I didn't care either way but I never wanted the woman to feel like I was ashamed to be seen with her. Big mistake. Today you're supposed to display minimal to no indicators of interest. Hard to like someone when you can never show them how much you like them.
/r/MGTOW12/08/20 06:01 AM
1

I'm starting to think modern feminism means men jumping to a woman's whims while a woman gets to do whatever.
/r/MGTOW11/08/20 12:26 AM
1

Didn't a 6 year old boy get booked for doing this?
/r/MGTOW11/08/20 12:22 AM
1

Still sucks he has to go through all this. Silver lining is that some of us can avoid that fate. "Smart men learn from their mistakes. Wise men learn from the mistakes of others."
/r/MGTOW10/08/20 08:08 PM
5

This reminds me of the laundry list of things women look for in guys: 6ft, 6 figures, V6, 6 inches, etc. By the time you get to the end there's no one left. Why can't we just be honest that unicorns don't exist? Women are like mentalists or psychics that will cling to whatever you offer. Say you don't want something, suddenly neither does she, say you do, and wouldn't you know it, she's of a like mind. Like tofu they are, taking on the flavor of whatever's around. Why men seek this out is becaus…
/r/TheRedPill09/08/20 03:45 PM
1

Not so sure. Women tend to acclimate pretty quickly. My old man got a mail order bride. For the first few months she was docile but once she heard of the divorce terms in America she did a 180 and has had him over a barrel ever since. It's actually kinda sad to hear him beg me to acquiesce to what she wants, he'll even admit it's because he can't afford to get divorced.
/r/TheRedPill09/08/20 03:36 PM
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And all I have to do is nothing? And make Christmas lists all day long? Where do I sign?
/r/MGTOW09/08/20 03:28 PM
8

A man getting married is like volunteering to be a ball-less slave. You KNOW all her friends will keep pushing the envelope and concocting ways of getting him to do her bidding. It's a braintrust. Manipulating men is literally what women put most of their effort into, now and always. Men have diverse interests, women do not. And heaven forbid you try to push back. The only power is being able to walk away, generate a vacuum she feels compelled to fill for if you try to fill hers you'll be left f…
/r/MGTOW09/08/20 03:24 PM
1

How? Woman are valued in society because they are the gatekeepers to new life, which is super valuable to a society. Unless men went on strike. Honestly I would love to see just one generation where the roles were reversed and men were the selective ones. Men would probably get soft.
/r/MGTOW08/08/20 09:02 PM
15

I'm saying you can't. It's like a perfectly disguised Federer backhand that could go to either side of the court. Especially since guys' vision tend to get clouded when they are into a chick. Women, on the other hand, are very exacting when it comes to using love to get their way. Another disadvantage is this is just one aspect of a man's life whereas it's the predominant preoccupation for most women. I'd say it's because most women that have ever lived have had offspring whereas that number is …
/r/TheRedPill08/08/20 06:48 PM
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Riding the cock carousel damages a woman’s brain and you’ll notice that in her behavior if you observe astutely. Girls with high body counts often have weird fucking things going on and they give me a shit feeling in my gut that says “don’t invest here”. It's harder to connect with them. I heard others refer to it as the "thousand cock stare" which I find to be a good descriptor. Although whereas most men would then say to avoid these women and look for ones with a lower body count, I have a dif…
/r/TheRedPill08/08/20 06:42 PM
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And how exactly would you know? It's well established that sluts are comfortable in angel clothing. This isn't anything new, while it's not like it was back in the day when they could lose their lives over it they've still gotten pretty good at it.
/r/TheRedPill08/08/20 05:44 PM
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They lie so they can lock down men. And most men are content believing what they want to hear. If women were all honest then the marriage rate would decline as I doubt this is something most men can get over. Basically people will trip over backward to excuse, rationalize, gloss over female indiscretions and do the opposite when it comes to men. Honesty isn't the best policy when it can only be used to hurt you and when the other party doesn't feel the same compulsion.
/r/TheRedPill08/08/20 05:41 PM
1

This is real king behavior right here.
/r/MGTOW06/08/20 11:42 PM
2

Women start off with tons of options. Men don't. Each act accordingly. What's interesting is when women start to have less options. Then they feel the need to lock a guy down. Then she starts considering the nice guys, perhaps because the guys she wants are highly desirable precisely because they have options or because nice guys would make for better partners, though I suspect the latter. What's interesting to note is that it only ever becomes an issue when women are affected. If a guy can't ge…
/r/TheRedPill06/08/20 11:39 PM
2

I'm sure the marketing meeting went something like, "Women hold most of the purchasing power, therefore we must appeal to them." Works in most verticals, just not this one. Hopefully it's a lesson learned. Flip the sexes and you realize how ridiculous it comes off. It's be like trying to sell tampons by telling women that they are horrible. That would never get past the initial pitch. Yet when it comes to shitting on men it's actually debatable. So very absurd. "We want these people to buy our s…
/r/TheRedPill06/08/20 10:58 PM
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It even explains AF/BB. BBs get her terms. AF made his own. It's cause guys look at it like they are dealing with another guy. Where you both wanna be heard out and arrive at a middle ground. They don't get that women see this as weakness or that it's even possible to get everything you want. This generation has been castrated.
/r/TheRedPill05/08/20 11:12 PM
5

You know, I suspect that the lion's share of women would monkey branch. Perhaps there should be a condensed period where something like this happens on a grand scale. Most women say I'm not like that but when a woman is swept off her feet she usual doesn't know why, doing too much feeling to be doing any thinking. This experiment would break the fever and show both sexes how delusional they're both being. I don't find it surprising that the more reliable sex is the one that has to shoulder the f…
/r/MGTOW05/08/20 11:03 PM
18

This should be a service or at the very least an anti-rom com.
/r/MGTOW05/08/20 05:09 PM
3

Seriously though, see if you can get a selfie with him and send it her way. Would probably sting more than any photo she could send of herself in bed with another guy.
/r/MGTOW05/08/20 05:08 PM
1

I think it's the natural evolution. For women to see how much a guy cares for them - and to be clear it has nothing to do with the guy, like most other things the validation is for themselves - they see what they can get out of them. Guys are raised to think they are monsters so they try desperately to show that isn't the case. (On a side note imagine if we told all women they were whores from as far back as they could remember and gave them a laundry list of things they could do to try to dissu…
/r/MGTOW05/08/20 05:06 PM
1

I have a theory that women are drawn to this behavior not because it's "right" or "good" but because this is what led to propagation in the past. Women didn't really have a say, but had to be with a guy because he had resources or status. Therefore it's hardwired. Notice how they treat guys they perceive as high value as kings, it's natural to them. When you start seeing female behavior this way, from an elevated position, it becomes very easy to hack. Unfortunately I think most men these days s…
/r/MGTOW05/08/20 04:52 PM
2

How can you see this and not think it's about resources? If you point that out the plugged-in guys get mad and women obviously get mad because of what they have to lose. But actions speak louder than words. If someone points out what you're doing you can't get mad at them for what you're doing. Then again they make their perception reality this way, even though the cognitive dissonance tears them - and especially any sap they've drawn in - apart.
/r/MGTOW05/08/20 04:43 PM
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It doesn't work because they don't stop sucking until there's nothing left. Plus they can't respect a guy like that so they are literally only sticking around to fuck him. (Maybe that's why cucking is a thing, for him to prove his love. Note how women are never expected to prove themselves. Love is a scam.)
/r/MGTOW04/08/20 02:41 AM
10

When simping started blowing up they tried to claim it as "king" behavior. Could anything be less so? More like "slave" behavior. For real I think women just see that others associate a positive connotation to a word, can only associate a positive connotation to something that is positive to them, and then try to use what people like to get what they like. People like A, I like B, if I say B is A then I get B. If not I'll use crocodile tears and people will fall in line or I'll use fear. People …
/r/MGTOW04/08/20 02:39 AM
4

He must be trying to fill a hole, to complete himself. Even if he did land her his desperation would drive her away. The less you want them the more they can want you, the more you want them the less they can.
/r/MGTOW04/08/20 02:26 AM
3

I don't get why men work so hard to get a woman when they'll drop him at the drop of a hat. When was the last time you heard of a woman standing by her man? It's like they've bought into the propaganda that all men are evil. Eventually all men will realize that - no matter what you do you'll be seen this way. So even the men who have bought into this nonsense will realize that maybe we're not evil just for being alive, maybe it's those who say we are that need to take a look in the mirror.
/r/MGTOW04/08/20 02:24 AM
15

Right, there are two types of men: those who should be grateful for whatever they can get, and those who aren't, who get whatever they want.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/08/20 05:27 PM
6

What do you care? If anything shouldn't you be glad there's less competition? Unless you're seeking male validation.
/r/TheRedPill28/07/20 06:29 AM
4

Um, but why? Is she concerned that he might be concerned about nicotine being passed into his bloodstream rectally? Is this a thing? What are the numbers? I need the stats, stat!
/r/TheRedPill26/07/20 05:16 PM
11

What's mines is mines and what's yours is mine.
/r/MGTOW26/07/20 05:11 PM
2

Look at any sitcom made in the last 20-30 years. All the men are bumbling idiots and rely on the woman to come save the day. What do boys and girls take away from that? That the woman has all the answers and that men are hopeless. Now factor in that a woman's perception of reality is subjective and based on her feelings. So if she feels like you're in the wrong then you must be and since society is terrified of suggesting that women might be wrong (lies of omission only allow for one remaining r…
/r/MGTOW26/07/20 05:06 PM
1

This is a weapon only we can use.
/r/MGTOW25/07/20 11:01 AM
14

When you push or slap your man and he pushes back, it's not abuse, it's self-defense. I can't stand how something isn't a crime - or worse gets flipped - depending on who's doing the crime. Like saying rich people don't know any better. Not even trying to cover up the privilege. They have it too good, what's there not to understand, that's precisely why you should let them keep having it good.
/r/MGTOW25/07/20 10:59 AM
7

If you had a weapon that you could use that could defeat anything and cost you nothing (not saying there aren't cost, just not to you) would you use that all the time too. Would lead to tyrannical behavior though...oh.
/r/MGTOW25/07/20 10:56 AM
9

It's called "don't forget about me" -itis. Women don't give a shit about anyone. When they call wolf they don't expect women to come running. All they see is someone else getting attention.
/r/MGTOW25/07/20 10:54 AM
2

Emotional distress can present physically and emotional distress can come from a man not being attuned to needs his woman either cannot or will not vocalize. Plus emotional distress is in the eye of the beholder, so there's nothing stopping her from feeling bad and pinning it on someone else - quite a human reaction, especially if one's personal identity is tied to being perfect or at least giving off that impression, but not a reaction that should be rewarded. What gets my goat is that the same…
/r/MGTOW24/07/20 01:42 PM
9

Hard to say. Women are encouraged to suggest abuse by their lawyers to get fatter settlements. Doesn't help that the man's lawyer's fees are often a percentage of the settlement, incentivizing him to operate against his client's interests. Can't really blame them though. It's like being offered free money. I'd love to teach an Ethics course at a law school. I'd just tell them not to bother showing up.
/r/MGTOW24/07/20 05:26 AM
1

But the sounds of it one would be mistaken into thinking that marriage was all about resources to women. Shooocking. Is this why poor men are invisible to women? And why anyone who says anything negative about women is women-hating? Like that's the worst thing imaginable. (And it's not like people don't hate men, they can just do it openly.)
/r/MGTOW24/07/20 05:24 AM
7

It's like the kid at the beach that knocks down sand castles that other kids built. Just to feel something. Reminds me of a post or maybe an author who talked about why women are constantly checking in with guys and how it's because when they get together men are the focus and they don't understand how men could have fun without it involving women somehow. It's really projection, and goes to show that women think about men and are much more preoccupied with men than the other way around. I might…
/r/MGTOW24/07/20 05:12 AM
1

Basically this is why men can't be nice to women and why women get away with being mean to guys.
/r/MGTOW23/07/20 08:27 PM
4

It's like clean air or running water. You take it for granted til you don't have it anymore. Women are the worst people to ask about women. It's like a predator asking its prey how it likes to be hunted.
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 01:04 PM
4

Most guys are self-focused. They are told if they do everything right then good things will happen for them. The problem is this is something that's out of their control. Unfortunately they think if the just work harder things will get better, ironically this is one of those "less is more" situations. It's men's dogged pursuit that's working against them. And women can feed into that by challenging a man's manhood. It's like dangling red meat in front of a beast. Men need to realize this and tur…
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 11:48 AM
1

People value what they have to work for. If she didn't have to work specifically for him, she won't value him.
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 11:44 AM
3

She wants security. Nice guys offer that. Chads don't. That's why she likes Chad. He's that fish that can never get got. Obviously she wants what she can't have. But when she can, she won't no more. Basically she wants to have her cake and eat it too. She wants people to know she can have a man - the particular man doesn't matter much - but Chad can't be locked down, so for social functions and the like she has the "nice guy". She wants him to be obsessed with her because that's what she wanted …
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 11:42 AM
1

They can see it, they just don't think that if they do that society as they know it can exist. And they are right. Society as they know it will cease to exist and be replaced with something different. This was the same argument slaveholders made when they were told to give up their slaves.
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 11:37 AM
3

Responsibilities, integrity and honor? It only works if this exists. Too bad men don't have enough to go around and whatever they do bring to the table is dismissed for being "toxic".
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 11:35 AM
1

Let's entertain this. Woman disrespects man time and time again, man takes it. And that's supposed to be a turn-on? The only mistake he made was being with such a woman.
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 11:34 AM
1

Leave them to their devices. The ship will sink but if you try to repair it you're only putting a target on your back. Men should boycott women and babies until women come to their sense. That would be a sight to see! (Though it has started, except women, predictably, blame it all on me for lower marriage and birth rates. Why can't we just be what they deserve?! What is wrong with us?! This is what happens when put a toddler behind the wheel.)
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 11:13 AM
1

Women are supposed to have to offer anything. You're supposed to be happy to sacrifice everything for nothing, you goddamn misogynist, patriarchal PIG!
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 11:10 AM
7

I hate both sides but when democrats said that they were america's last moral hope but are unwilling to hold their friends to the same standard of their enemy it was like the end of Animal Farm when the other farm animals can't tell the difference between the pigs and the humans. It's just as bad as the christian right and the family values organizations backing Trump, even after finding out he step out on his pregnant wife to have an affair with a pornstar. If that's what you're about, be about…
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 11:06 AM
6

Well it's cause men are isolated from a young age. They think they'll at least have one person who cares - maybe more if they have kids - the thing is the woman also recognizes that the man is to be isolated. Society expects the man to serve the wife and the kids. At best the woman is indifferent to his plight, at worst she uses this longing toward her own ends.
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 10:58 AM
7

But he LOVED her! Note how women use love as a leash. I wanted to see how much he loved me. Men would never put a knife to the throat of a relationship, is anything less loving?
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 10:50 AM
5

If he had been thinking for himself he would have never gotten married in the first place. Pretty telling that her friends demand that he take her back, probably all women, women are used to demanding things from men, when you flip the script they slam on the brakes. You can't treat in good faith with something who has no intention of treating you with the same respect.
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 10:48 AM
2

Define paradox: his standing up to her made her want to be with him, but if he takes her back he won't be standing up to her. The only thing that makes sense when it comes to marriage is the dollar and cents.
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 10:46 AM
1

To be woman is to be succubus. The more you can extract the more successful you are being a woman.
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 09:32 AM
4

Women spend more money than they make. Only one way for that to work. And if you don't have your shit together you're a failure as a man. Meaning if you don't have money for her to spend you're not a "real" man in her eyes. What does that make a "real" woman?
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 09:31 AM
3

Women are there for fun. They're an amusement. That sums it up perfectly. Took me a while to catch on. My seminal moment was at a dinner party, one of the girls warned me that her friend had been in a fender-bender and that she might be feeling self-conscious about it. She was legit the most drop dead gorgeous woman I had ever laid eyes on. I couldn't even tell what part of her face was supposed to be scuffed up. Anyway I friend of mine was there - basically the guys knew the guys and the girls …
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 09:23 AM
3

And someone has to be left holding the bag. This wouldn't happen if people didn't let it. But if you try talking back you're the bad guy. Women kills husband and says he was abusing her, you ask for evidence, now you're the reason why men abuse their wives. If so, facto.
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 04:15 AM
1

You can't have all-boys spaces, they may start talking.
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 12:23 AM
2

Can you really blame them? They've treated men as sub-human, only existing to serve them, to live and die at their post, whose only value exists insofar as it provides value to them. They only have one tool in which to accomplish this: shame. So when they don't get their way they double down. So far men have played along, going so far as to look down on men that aren't with women (and if I had been fought over I'd think I was pretty hot shit too). But the costs have outweighed the perceived gain…
/r/MGTOW21/07/20 12:21 AM
1

The counter to simp shaming is an interesting one. They still want guys to open doors or pull out doors, but they could also chastise you for doing that. You could ask why they think guys do that and you won't get a response. Basically they want to be in a position to choose. What can't be understated is how men use women to rank themselves against other men. In an ideal world for women, men would fight for them but amongst themselves submit to female whims, but when you have guys standing up to…
/r/MGTOW20/07/20 11:51 AM
5

they ALL turn into annoying harridans eventually Truth. And the guys that have the most success with women operate accordingly. I remember scwabbling with the other pions for women until seeing the guys who did the best couldn't care less. It's also best for your own state of mind - if you don't really care and it works out, great, if it doesn't, not that big of a deal, however if you're heavily invested and it doesn't work out you'll be crushed, and even if it does you'll feel a ton of pressure…
/r/MGTOW20/07/20 11:41 AM
4

It's indicative of the female mindset. Humans are animals after all. Animals were the male has to entice the female in some way and this informs male-female relations. One would think such an ask, being liable for another human for life and with the "they might as well be married so we're gonna treat them as though they were married" frameworks you may be financial liable for the women as well. And it's not even an absolute cost. You can work out how much it would cost but that's just the floor.…
/r/MGTOW20/07/20 11:36 AM
16

Throughout the biological record women have had kids more often than men at about 80% of women ever living passing on their genes vs only 40% for men. This tells us two things. First, women expect to have kids, men do not. In the past men had to do something noteworthy to have kids, leading to a brash, arrogant demeanor. These were the men that passed on their genes. They were above other men and held up there by the societal structure. One could posit that the dominance hierarchy was establishe…
/r/MGTOW20/07/20 11:17 AM
3

The crazy thing is no man will say anything. Women will stay quiet. And some poor sap who doesn't know how to attract women and have been told all his life to worship women will actually take this as gospel. It's a disservice to men that most men have to learn things the hard way because whenever they hear stuff like this opposing voices as shot down as being woman-hating. We need to lay our coats out for women but guys can't even get a heads up so women are able to get some guys. The default is…
/r/MGTOW20/07/20 07:10 AM
8

I wouldn't say I was anti-social growing up but I didn't get why when a girl cried everyone was supposed to drop everything to attend to them, especially because we were all the same age. I was instructed as to what I was supposed to do but whenever I asked why it was refer back to step one. Little did I know I was unintentionally being more of a feminist than the feminists telling me to treat girls with kiddie gloves and threatening shame if I didn't comply.
/r/MGTOW20/07/20 07:05 AM
6

Religious people: Every religion is bogus for these reasons. Random: What about yours? Religious people: Of course I wasn't talking about me...
/r/MGTOW20/07/20 04:39 AM
13

yeah, they are pretty much acknowledging what they are. and when they relapse, they relapse HARD.
/r/MGTOW20/07/20 04:36 AM
13

to get a chance at a used wipe that wouldn't look his way if she still had her sanctity intact
/r/MGTOW20/07/20 04:35 AM
6

This - and the Will Smith stuff - makes my stomach turn. Guess before I would have applauded these men looking past their women's "indiscretions". Just goes to show how powerful propaganda can be. To this day I don't know if I would have celebrated their actions because it was the "right" thing to do - funny how useful that adjective can be - or if I was afraid of being the "bad" guy. Doesn't help that not buying into this BS gets you more respect in the long run, even if you get doors slammed i…
/r/MGTOW20/07/20 04:34 AM
17

It's expected that women expect things from men. Men put on a show and women decide if they want more. Though if men do the same everyone's up in arms. Better to do dread game, where she's terrified of losing you so she puts her best forward. Of course if you ever let her know it's worked she'll stop. It's like the hare at dog race tracks. You can never give the hare to the dogs or the dogs will stop. Or like how you can't give a cat a cat toy. You have to keep it away from them for them to care…
/r/MGTOW20/07/20 12:02 AM
2

I've noticed that women on the low end of the scale (at or below a 5) regularly get guys that are above average on the same scale. It's cause they rate guys on a scale. All women expect a 8, 9 or 10 so when they "settle" for anything less, in their minds it's a loss and they treat their men accordingly. I noticed it in the worst reality TV, that suggest an underlying issue, like Hoarders or I'm 600 lbs or something like that, the women always have men whereas the guys are usually on their own or…
/r/TheRedPill19/07/20 10:44 PM
11

Probably why he went for her. And probably why she has a healthy rotation going. Wasn't there a post recently that had a laundry list of "demands" women have for men with men only wanting a woman that's thin. Don't feed into the hype.
/r/MGTOW19/07/20 10:29 PM
65

She has to make sure no one wants him...including her!
/r/MGTOW19/07/20 10:27 PM
30

She sucked him dry and moved on. I'm starting to think the Chads have it right. Everyone else tries to "change" their women, or hold them to the claims they make for themselves - which is pretty impossible if we're being honest with ourselves. At least the guys that women go for accept their nature, may be doing the rest of us a favor - even the women I'm sure they don't like being like that and would rather be put in their place, maybe that's why all these BDSM films are doing so well. When peo…
/r/MGTOW19/07/20 10:26 PM
13

That's part of the problem. Men settle for so little. Meanwhile women demand the world and get closer to it. Shoot for the moon and at least you'll end up amongst the stars. I'm constantly reminded of Napoleon's dogs from Animal Farm. Napoleon keeps a litter of dogs locked away in the attic. They are lucky to even get scraps from him. They are entirely dependent on him and he uses them to silence his enemies. I see parallels in man-woman relations. Guys are willing to do what they do for scraps,…
/r/MGTOW19/07/20 10:21 AM
8

Yeah I saw somewhere that 2-3 months is the limit because after that time they need to find someone else to fulfill their biological imperatives. Even if you're in a situation where kids aren't even in the equation - like work or a situation where she doesn't want kids - that's the foundation that she's working from. I really feel for guys that are with women for years and think if they only give her what she wants, like a ring, they can recapture what they once had. It don't work like that.
/r/MGTOW19/07/20 05:42 AM
29

Replace her with society & you with men. Society tells men to sacrifice themselves and expect nothing in return. You'd think such an ask would require an equally large return. The fact that the suggested return is literally nothing should tell you where they are operating from. Had it too easy for too long. Also it doesn't help that men get pitted against each other. We should unite, like women do, and not take it anymore.
/r/MGTOW19/07/20 05:36 AM
-1

I used to get drunk off a couple of beers. Now I need closer to a dozen. You may have also felt pressure from trying to keep things quiet/being behind enemy lines. Try someplace where you have more control of the environment.
/r/TheRedPill19/07/20 02:42 AM
1

Yeah, and then they say now's not the time to act. We need to appeal to racists then? Is that your message? And if you don't fall in line you get attacked by the brainwashed - not too different from being red pilled - and told by politicians that "you ain't black" aka "this should be in the bag I shouldn't have to work for your support, so I won't, in other words I take it for granted." If South Carolina hadn't given Biden a state just because he stood next to a black guy for eight years, he wou…
/r/MGTOW18/07/20 01:43 PM
0

Like taking a page out of your enemy's playbook. It's okay when we do it. I'm black, btw, not that it matters. Edit: I'm glad there's a medium where we can all realize we're not so different after all. Rather than the removed conglomerates that desire to pit us against each other, so they can get away with their thievery.
/r/MGTOW18/07/20 01:26 PM
14

If you know what you're getting into it makes a world of difference. It's like driving in a minefield blindfolded vs driving without a blindfold vs driving without a blindfold and knowing where the mines are buried.
/r/MGTOW17/07/20 09:15 AM
5

Men need to respond in kind and not give attention away so cheaply.
/r/MGTOW17/07/20 09:13 AM
1

there are literally billions of options. one of the most abundant resources there is.
/r/MGTOW16/07/20 08:00 PM
1

Because it's always the man's fault - almost like he's responsible for her behavior as if she were a child. When a lion takes over the pride he kills the old lion and the old lion's offspring. Do the lionesses attack him? No, they go into heat. If anything it's the old lion's fault for getting bested. Men seem to think if they give enough to a society the society will give back, forgetting their role, to give.
/r/MGTOW15/07/20 10:30 PM
3

When men think of women they think of higher ideals, they put women on pedastals, women say men are animals so guys try their best not to be. The opposite holds true for women. Whereas men strive for something better, women are more comforable being their baser selves. Homeostasis is biology's way of saying that an organism will do as little work as it can get away with doing. Women have made this an art form. Do what you must to get a ring and then cease. Guys are starting to catch on. We shoul…
/r/MGTOW15/07/20 10:27 PM
2

Also women are being raised to all believe they deserve the best. It'll get you more than if you didn't think you deserve anything but as some point you have to re-calibrate. It's like going into a negotiation and saying "I want everything". Most people would reject such an "offer" but some will do better than others. She'll lean toward the best offer but in the back of her mind she'll think she still deserves everything. In the past she'd have to be careful not to kill the host, but nowadays if…
/r/TheRedPill15/07/20 07:50 PM
5

Alyssa Milano, what a joke! She's against powerful men abusing women when it's a powerful man she doesn't like, but when it's her guy it's a different story. Just goes to show women will use whatever they can if it helps them, principles and consistency be damned. Though they demand those very traits in a man, almost like they can't display them themselves but it also means they can't value them.
/r/MGTOW15/07/20 07:31 PM
1

What could be more valuable in the eyes of a woman than a woman? I wonder how many mothers turn girls into boys? It's almost as if being a girl is celebrated but being a boy is criticized and these poor little boys are just trying to make the most important woman in their life happy. Too bad he doesn't realize that's impossible. How early can one take the red pill?
/r/MGTOW15/07/20 07:28 PM
0

OP, start a Youtube channel and show the truth of how early it gets started. They'll probably tell you you're too young to know any better til you get old enough to be told it's time to grow up. Note, their definition of what's acceptable is wholly dependent on if it serves them.
/r/MGTOW15/07/20 03:50 AM
0

Honestly when it comes to man-women stuff I never believe what women say. They could just be trying to get a rise out of you and as long as you don't respond they'll probably forget about it the next day if not sooner. When I was younger I thought women were the goal - and looking at how civilization formed, I'm not alone - but since then I've worked out that nothing's ever enough. Even the most desirable men get knee-capped and when you ask why relationships or marriages are so important it has…
/r/MGTOW15/07/20 02:11 AM
14

It's called empowerment! And if you've got anything to say about it, hiss!
/r/MGTOW14/07/20 11:52 PM
2

Women like attention, even from guys they would never get with. Sexual harassment accusation is a variation on that theme. "What, I'm not pretty enough to be abused?" The only way to keep them honest is to have something they want and never give it to them. Doesn't hurt to have others in your rotation. If you do date don't put up with anything and move to the next one. When they say a relationship is work, they mean for you. She can't be steady and will do anything to knock you off-balance, to s…
/r/MGTOW14/07/20 11:50 PM
7

85% of suicide victims are male. Newspaper Headline: 15% of suicide victims are female
/r/TheRedPill14/07/20 02:16 AM
12

Woman thinks all men are animals. Guy does everything in his power to show that "he's not like the other guys". She treats him like one anyway. Eventually he figures if she's gonna treat him like that anyway he might as well be an animal. OR she meets a guy who is an animal (or has been turned into one). She bitches. He cares not. Common thread? Men have to be animals for women to see them. Then women can treat them however they want. After all he's an animal. Once you dehumanize anything is fai…
/r/MGTOW14/07/20 02:13 AM
2

They didn't say she said he was abusing her?
/r/MGTOW12/07/20 11:49 PM
1

I thought a good woman would complete me, see what I was missing and help me fill it. But then I worked out that it was much more logical that she'd use that to get what she wants. Women are tangible with what they want, men aren't so women can just play along.
/r/MGTOW12/07/20 11:48 PM
4

Well think about what women do when they get together with their friends. It's most bitching about guys and devising tactics on how to get their men to do what they want. They don't want anyone filling their man's head full of ideas but them. Women are much more manipulative, instinctively, a guy could point this out, it's much harder when you're in it to see it.
/r/MGTOW12/07/20 11:37 PM
24

What responsibility do women have?
/r/MGTOW12/07/20 11:32 PM
44

People bending over backward to prove her "innocence". When was the last time a guy got that kind of play?
/r/MGTOW12/07/20 11:28 PM
4

Nothing more beta than getting on your knees begging a woman to spend the rest of her life with you and if she don't you'll really be in for it. No different then telling a woman you don't know what you'd do without her, gives her all the power, why would she behave after that?
/r/TheRedPill12/07/20 06:54 PM
24

And pay her hundreds of millions of dollars for sleeping with another dude? Biggest cuck ever.
/r/MGTOW12/07/20 06:06 PM
1

It's like women have superpowers where whatever they say becomes reality. We all did that when we were kids, the thing is guys are called out on it, but it's entertained when it comes to girls. And since girls never really need to grow up they never grow out of it. Imagine being a guy that is facing this. You do everything you're supposedly supposed to do and this shit still happens. And all you hear is that you need to work on the relationship. Well you start believing it. That's why it's impor…
/r/MGTOW12/07/20 05:44 AM
-7

It was actually his fault. She did it for the sake of the relationship. The subtext in the video was "I can't believe you are so dumb to believe this shit."
/r/MGTOW11/07/20 10:27 PM
2

It's simple. If a man gripes, nothing comes of it, he may even have to pay a price. Not so for women. Women expect displays from men, overtures, in some cases tangible goods. It makes all the sense in the world for women to push because it may work out in their favor. It's like how Wall Street socializes losses and privatizes gains. If a woman crosses a line nothing can be done. A woman can hit and berate her man all she wants and the moment he responds in kinds he is overrun. It's as if the dif…
/r/TheRedPill11/07/20 10:25 PM
3

These financial advisors are blue-pilled too. It more about limiting the damage than stopping it altogether.
/r/MGTOW11/07/20 04:50 PM
3

"Know your worth" when you're worth is infinite and you can only validate it via external sources there's no limit to what you think you can get away with.
/r/MGTOW11/07/20 04:48 PM
1

Imagine being part of the gynocentric media that has to find a way to spin this to the woman's favor. Then again if a woman can literally say he was the abusive one - I mean what's more abusive then murder - and get away with it, men don't stand a chance. You'd think they'd get what it feels like to be silenced.
/r/MGTOW11/07/20 04:46 PM
9

Imagine a guy using that line. "Actually, babe, I don't think I 'transgressed'". Men are held to account. Women are, what, too delicate?
/r/MGTOW11/07/20 04:43 PM
4

I've heard women will say this for a little extra spending cash. If you ever end up doing this ask for the fetus as a receipt. And then conduct a DNA test, she may have gotten it from one of her friends.
/r/MGTOW10/07/20 03:59 PM
2

And other women see this and see that it works so they do it too. Like how guys see being jerks works. Is this what we are?
/r/MGTOW10/07/20 03:57 PM
-1

You have it all wrong. Feminists just want equality. But only when it gets something for women. Oh and don't go trying to make a male equivalent - maleists? - because we all know men already have everything and are never discriminated against because of their sex. Could my hypergamous nature lead to a fixation on the top men and a blind eye to the rest? Possibly. But those aren't real men anyway. What's that? Words have meaning?
/r/MGTOW10/07/20 04:51 AM
3

Don't take it. Keep pushing. If you had a client that wanted to give up, would you just let them? Cops are jerks. They are used to their authority being taken as the word of God. In that way they aren't too dissimilar to women. And like women you can feed into their delusion. Stay calm and be consistent and petition. Don't roll over and show your belly. Have some respect for yourself.
/r/MGTOW10/07/20 04:45 AM
2

Women have to get something out of men. That's how they value themselves. That's how they communicate with each other "he got me this", "he took me there" or by association "he has a respectable job", "he has a nice place". In their mind that's the trade. They've been bought up to believe that they are so great and that they are so deserving. That's why you hear women say, when another women gets something that they don't, "am I not pretty enough?" And if you question it they attack you, maybe w…
/r/MGTOW10/07/20 04:42 AM
80

"In other words I don't have a position. I don't have to. Society has taught me that my looks are enough. I'll become bitter when they fade. Until then I'll assume my looks are a form of argument, arguments are just a way of getting your way any way, right? Deep down though I'm ultimately insecure because I know this is superficial but it's all I got. Sometimes it grants me too much power, other times none." Reminds me of the female artist who drew vaginas with sharp teeth around the edges.
/r/MGTOW10/07/20 04:31 AM
9

Reminds me of Napoleon's dogs in Animal Farm. He starved them all their lives, so giving them scraps meant the world to them.
/r/MGTOW09/07/20 06:35 AM
7

Women who are 1s or 2s can still get 7s or 8s. It cause they don't mind sharing. So even 9s and 10s are sharing the top guys. So if you pursue monogamy with them they'll assume you must not have options, therefore must not be very desirable. Basically most women are being shared leaving the guys who buy into societal programming to fight over the scraps - who themselves would prefer to be shared but not by a guys who is merely better than them but much better than them. I can see why guys are so…
/r/MGTOW08/07/20 03:35 PM
1

Just watched Jon Favreau woo Scarlett Johansson in Chef with a dish. Got me thinking that hot chicks don't really have to do anything - they weren't gonna do anyway - and get to spend time with the most accomplished people. Don't have to offer anything in return. Just not have certain genitalia between their legs. And always have the "I'm not that kind of woman!" in their back pocket. Like they're getting this access for nothing.
/r/MGTOW08/07/20 03:40 AM
2

Goddamn. That explains why so many things that ought to be changed - or at least reconsidered - aren't. People don't even want to contemplate they might be in the wrong. Thanks for the enlightenment!
/r/MGTOW07/07/20 05:37 PM
1

It remains a cultural trend in the US simply for the sake of being a cultural trend. And like an earlier poster posted: "You'd be amazed of how many things we take for granted is just because some crazy guy with a lot of money said so." I never got why people got so worked up over tradition. Now I get that they likely sought stability. But to be so passionate about it? I figured it was cause they stood to gain from it, after all who wants to change something if it's working for them? Bute who's …
/r/MGTOW06/07/20 06:33 PM
2

"I realized that I had been much more naturally redpilled as a teen and had slowly allowed myself to be beta-ized in the pursuit of appealing to SJW pussy." I was similar. I'm the child of immigrants (myself being born in the US) my mom died young so my father got a mail-order bride from his home land. There was some shit going on over there so he was able to land a woman from the top caste, even though he was from the bottom caste. He thought she would take care of his young children and take c…
/r/TheRedPill06/07/20 01:34 PM
1

Did I strike a nerve, Mr. Alpha Sir?
/r/MGTOW06/07/20 12:54 PM
34

Wikipedia has a Toxic Masculinity page. So, in the interest of fairness, I created a Toxic Femininity page and it was taken down almost immediately. What's Toxic Femininity you might ask? Whenever a female uses her sex to exact harm, especially where no harm would occur were the sexes reversed. I was told that didn't exist. Basically that Toxic Femininity couldn't be distinguished from regular Femininity. Men are expected to just take it and to compete to take it. Basically to fight with other g…
/r/MGTOW06/07/20 12:51 PM
25

I think a lot of guys think "two people, two paychecks", but women think "he should carry me or he doesn't deserve me." Talk about self-empowerment, Marie Antoinette!
/r/MGTOW05/07/20 05:23 PM
3

Reminds me of how smarter people have less babies. Leaving the fools to do most of child-making.
/r/MGTOW05/07/20 11:52 AM
-1

That's not possible. Believe women you goddamn patriarchal pig. ​ They're like cops, they can do no wrong.
/r/TheRedPill05/07/20 11:46 AM
8

As in what's good for them?
/r/MGTOW05/07/20 01:55 AM
11

Is it possible to be more of a cuck? I used to not get the whole cuck fetish, but she probably already sees her husband (I mean any association that starts with one party literally bending the knee doesn't exactly scream equal treatment) as one and this is a way for her to square it in her mind. Poor sap probably loves her so much that he's willing to "do whatever makes her happy". But a woman who want to do whatever makes her husband happy are chastised "what are you, a 50s housewife?" by women…
/r/MGTOW05/07/20 01:53 AM
5

That last line is heartbreaking. Not to excuse the behavior but I wonder how much of it is tied into her self-worth being attached to how much attention she can receive - doubly so for trophy wives. Men are breaking themselves for women like this. Reminds me of an engagement party I went to when the bride-to-be was still choosing between two guys. She wanted her fuck buddy to take her more seriously, but whenever he did she'd lose interest. Women literally have a blind spot when it comes to thei…
/r/MGTOW05/07/20 01:47 AM
13

they should call themselves equalists so we know which ones want equal treatment and which ones want one sex to be superior to the other.
/r/MGTOW05/07/20 01:41 AM
4

It sucks that you have to be mean to women for them to respect you. With guys it's "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" but if you try that with a woman it's "how dare you, you sexist, am I not pretty enough?!" It's messed up, has nothing to do with you, and, quite frankly, I just feel sorry for them because that's a shitty way to go through life. That being said they probably get a lot out of it because humans are social creatures, but it seems to flow in one direction. Maybe that's why is…
/r/MGTOW05/07/20 01:39 AM
2

Not to mention that asian women have been fetishized to high heaven. Probably guys thinking they'd be more submissive.
/r/MGTOW05/07/20 01:30 AM
1

Each kid makes more than he does. I mean the mother. Do they have the same overhead? How does he pay for everything? And you know the housing is already taken care of. ​ A few moments of pleasure is not worth a life of pain.
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 06:38 PM
2

at 5 or 6 you were probably told to suck it up. if even your own parents don't care what hope is there? and relenting to their desires is nothing short of sadistic, even if it's not their ideas they're enablers. parents are supposed to protect their kids, not hold them down.
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 02:47 PM
1

This is the way to have an open discussion.
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 04:43 AM
1

It appears that the difference is minor on a functional level and is mostly cosmetic. Agree that people will do what they've done or what people around them are doing. The last line could be part of the messaging from the proponents, like "what's the big deal either way?" I, for one, think there should be a reason for doing something and the reasons that have been put forward don't hold water.
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 04:05 AM
1

Really brings to the fore things people do without question or thought. And then have the audacity to be pissed at you for not falling in line as readily. I suspect they internalize the behavior and interpret your challenge as a personal affront.
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 03:23 AM
1

It should be illegal regardless of what some religious kook has to say. Think of all the wacky stuff cult leaders have asked/demanded of their followers over the years. Just because a cult is larger and more established doesn't grant them the right to be enforce harmful practices. If so then it's a slippery slope, at what point is something a religion vs a cult?
/r/MGTOW04/07/20 03:21 AM
7

humans are adaptable. that being said you don't know what it'd be like to have it. suppose to be pretty sensitive. circumcision began as a widespread practice in the US to get guys to want to masturbate less. damn puritan roots.
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 10:37 PM
6

I'd probably be celebrated! This is what I just don't get. Genital mutilation is wrong, right? Yes! And we should get rid of it? Yes! For everyone? Yes! Including men? Misogynist! Clearly it's not about the issues, it's about power. But part of wielding power is knowing when not to wield it. I'm much more concerned about the person that says little than the person that says everything that's on their mind.
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 08:12 PM
5

there'd be more hookers though. we all know those skanks that are borderline. it's like how with weed as it becomes legal in more place there are more participants, driving down prices. ask any women what they provide to men and it can all be provided by therapists, maids, chefs, and masseuses. This is the last frontier, without it they'd be hard pressed to expect men to put up with anything, much less half AND his mental health.
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 08:06 PM
3

from the very start
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 08:01 PM
11

I don't know. I feel like women would stop at nothing to stop it. If guys could - and it were socially acceptable - get some legally then they wouldn't put up with and give so much to women. Of course feminists should count this as a victory and even empowering - though if men aren't necessary it does beg the question - but above that it seems to always be is this good for women or bad. But if they get it anyway maybe they don't care how.
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 05:10 PM
5

I only hears about what he does aka short-hand for what he can provide.
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 04:43 PM
27

Legalizing prostitution would depress the market.
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 04:41 PM
1

I've look a bit into it. That was part of my validation process of the red pill. When I'd bring up parts of it to guys, they nod like "sounds reasonable" but women would lash out at me or stay silent - never engage with a counter. The most interesting part was when I'd bring it up to mixed company. Then guys would hold their tongue and all I'd hear was the female outrage. Pretty rich considering it's often women that say it's their thoughts that are restricted by the opposite sex. If you're a gu…
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 04:33 PM
2

I saw "suicidal" in the post on my home screen before the sub loaded and my first thought was "must be MGTOW." Such a sad state of affairs. The silver lining being that guys realize the opposite means being drained and that we aren't alone in this sentiment. When I first head of the red pill my initial response was "that's ridiculous, for that to occur all these other things would have to take place..." but then as I ran through the list I realized it wasn't as crazy as I had thought. What reall…
/r/MGTOW03/07/20 02:30 PM
3

After all, if he can get away with it...
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 05:31 PM
25

Can someone create an image of an oversized Karen with a bunch of police on leashes barking like rottweilers?
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 04:16 AM
2

I came to these conclusions on my own. As would many, and are. If it weren't for the frameworks in place to elevate women, this would just be common sense. Men are waking up to the fact that this isn't a system that benefits us. What angers me the most is how men are pit against each other to fulfill the vapid and fading interest of women. It happens at the macro level between countries or between races (he was looking at my woman funny) or even locally between friends. I had one friend who was …
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 02:20 AM
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Nah, she would have just called the cops to "handle" it
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 01:52 AM
1

Any value a man tries to build is minimized or attacked. Same goes for any status and respect a man gets. Or only deemed valuable if it's in service to a woman.
/r/MGTOW02/07/20 12:22 AM
3

Yeah, it's like women got to bowl with the guard rails up. Now that they took the guard rails down, it's somehow men's fault when they get gutter-balls. I get bitching when you don't have a say, but you can't get your way and bitch about getting your way. You can't have it both ways. There used to be a balance, a give and take. But today's women are told it's okay to take, men are told they have to give, but women can't stand men that do do as they're told. What do women want? It doesn't matter.…
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 06:07 PM
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You never see hot feminists. If the system works for them why would they rebel against it? That's why it's disingenuous to equate that struggle with systems that actually oppressed people. And you see it. What's the goal? How do you know you've "won"? In other, real cases it's concrete, here it seems like the women that don't get favored really just want to be favored, so they don't really want to do away with the system or even to change it, they just want it to benefit them. It's a hedge. Femi…
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 05:57 PM
2

Most marriages fail yet no one thinks it will happen to them. A guy that has doubts in the process - though it's always put on him, like it's a personal failing - doesn't make for a good offering. It's to be expected, yet people can't fathom that women will act like this. Both men and women have bought into the delusion. I will say that sexual competition has gotten humanity to a level it may not have gotten to otherwise, but people are starting to realize it's never enough. Guys can play that g…
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 05:45 PM
1

Brah, that's just women. She refused to help around the house because she's been told since birth that she's a special little snowflake and that doing anything for a man is beneath her. Exhibit 1 - she thought she was so valuable, even though she contributed nothing, that she could whine and get you to change her tune (probably not the first time she's tried that on a guy, and it probably usually worked in her favor, if not always). Notice how quickly she changed her tune though. When push comes…
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 04:08 PM
5

It's a great way of bringing women on board. They don't have to change themselves and everything's men's fault? What's not to love? More importantly no risk, some/high reward.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 03:57 PM
1

OP, lie about your income (suggest you make less than half) and dress in raggedly clothes. Be the guy they'll fuck but won't settle down with. Basically beat them to the punch and treat them with the disrespect they would treat you with. They value their own time so if they put up the the disrespect someone has to be respecting someone.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 03:53 PM
2

And when you bring up your grievances you are vilified for looking out for yourself. As if you're expected to do something for nothing. You're told to "man up", "grow up", "if you really loved me you would", etc. Women talk about hating to be shamed but it's their go-to move. Note there isn't any agreed upon definition of what a man is, it's whatever a woman needs it to be. Men are human doings. Once you're no longer useful you're disposable. So what does it do to men that agree? You become a ba…
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 03:46 PM
2

I would LOVE to see a world where men, if they wanted to be a father, did it by themselves with a clone. Women would shape up right quick! It's amazing what they think they can get away with because they are necessary for birth. Guess what, so are men. It's almost like they realize how little else they have to offer so they have to bluff their hand. Like the person at work that doesn't do anything but is always talking about all the stuff they do.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 03:30 PM
1

I've never met a man that could explain why they want kids other than "it would be fun", "it's what you're supposed to do", "I've always wanted to be a father", "to continue my family". I get similar responses when I ask guys why they want to be a father. It reminds me of why people "choose" their religion. Sure they'll give you a whole lotta reasons but the brass tacks is because that's what they were raised under.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 03:26 PM
1

"We want to perpetuate our DNA!" I think if people were being honest this would be the reason why. But that's not an appropriate thing to discuss. Though if we could have open discussions I think people would come to the same conclusion you did, that it's not really worth it. If anything 20 years sounds more like a punishment than a reward.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 03:23 PM
1

that horseshit about women being nurturing by nature It sounds nice but if the red pill has taught be anything it's that the universally nice things people say about women - and by the same token, disparagingly negative things said about men - are overblown. What I will admit is that women are incredibly selfish by nature and this may lead to better outcomes for their children, but it's just as likely, if not more so, in service to an image. So these selfish females seek selfish males but that's…
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 03:20 PM
2

That's a good way of putting it. As a guy I can't explain why I like sex. Guess that's how women feel about babies.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 11:12 AM
4

Hmm, you raise a valid point. Society has been driven by the male desire to reproduce, not that all men could achieve it. It is quite telling that when women have the choice they pick the men that are least up to it - I presume, in their minds at least, it's because a guy that can treat them like such garbage must have something going for them if they're willing to treat me like that. If men can overcome this drive - literally their driving force - they can overcome anything.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 09:26 AM
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Just sounds like a lot of work. Now I'd get if a woman has a biological imperative - given most women that have lived have had children while most men have not - but that must drive them mad to want kids, especially given the rising costs of one, and not really know why. I get why they would want to transfer some of that madness onto dudes, but I don't get why guys would take that on. I guess having kids used to be a marker of success, but that assumes all people want it. I used to play a game w…
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 09:23 AM
2

After all we're both equals, right? Women spend more than they earn. There's only one way that's possible.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 06:39 AM
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I've found that, by default, the advice people offer is the same advice they got. After all, if it was good enough for them, and even they took it, then it must be good advice. With people living longer and recognizing how much of an effort it is, they start thinking with their head and not their head. Plus it's easier to share information about how the system treats men so you don't have to personally experience it to see what it does to people. Without that people default to their baser instin…
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 06:33 AM
4

I agree that men and women see parenting differently. Men want to plan it out and women are more open to "seeing how it goes". With social support becoming less and less common, someone has to pick up the slack. Given men's predilection to plan he's more likely to conclude that the prerequisite conditions don't exist.
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 06:30 AM
4

It's the ultimate irony: feminism is anti-feminity and pro-masculinity, yet anti-male. In regards to the second point, the one good thing to come from it is why do we feel we need "to provide and protect"? One doesn't feel the need to do so to enjoy the company of a good friend. And yet we do for pussy that may never come and if it does leads to another drain in the form of offspring. It's like being born as a fan bearer to an Egyptian pharaoh. And being chewed out for not wanting to serve. Even…
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 04:37 AM
2

It's the in-group bias that has done us in. When guys were off hunting women had to have each other's back. If it weren't for men needing to compete with each other for women we wouldn't have that distance, you wouldn't see white knights attacking the rest of us - this bias would apply to all of us. Evolution has shown us that all creatures do as little as necessary, it's called homeostasis. Would men strike out and take part in all manner of dangerous endeavor to distinguish themselves if they …
/r/MGTOW01/07/20 04:29 AM
1

Yeah. Women have no respect for guys that have no respect for their own time. 2 years and the door is still wide open? He must not have many prospects. The only that keeps women honest are options, optimally better options than her.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:21 PM
1

Clearly the stepmom didn't want to share her man's resources. Women can be pretty cruel to each other. Sounds like she thinks her issues come - pardon the phrasing - above the needs of her husband. Clearly she doesn't have her own grounding if she lets other people like her father and her stepmom have such an effect over her. The good news is this guy can use this. Clearly anyone who she has dominion over is in for a world of hurt. So this guy really thinks him being miserable is what's best for…
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:19 PM
1

That decides it. Women are more dangerous than any drug. The most dangerous part is there's no limit. It's like betting when someone else is covering the losses. Makes sense they'd bet big and blame the man for not being "man enough" if he can't cover it. I would say she's not being "female enough" but she's doing precisely as she's instructed.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:10 PM
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Dollars to donuts she doesn't care about the meat eating. It's about seeing if she can control him. She doesn't want to control him, she may not even want to want to try to control him, but she can't help her programming. It's probably pretty important to him which is why she targeted it. The sad thing is he's trying to make her happy because he loves her. Ugh, I just threw up a little in my mouth. But actually the loving thing would be to put his foot down. Now that I think about it it seems li…
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:30 PM
1

It's as bad as the concept of the "man cave". Let me get this right, you provide most of what your family gets and your reward is to relegated to a corner of your own home? I thought a man's home was his castle, not that a part of it is his dungeon. Marriage is one huge shit test. Women push men to see what they can get away with. Like a child. Only if you instill boundaries her girlfriends will tell her "she doesn't have to take it" or that she "deserves better". When dealing with guys that are…
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:23 PM
1

Actually women are just as likely to commit domestic violence. Sure they are less like to hurt if they are using their bare hands but I don't know if y'all know this but women know how to use tools. Yeah, I was surprised too. Plus since they don't get called out on it it only emboldens them to see what they can get away with. Let's also not forget the psychological coercion of threatening to leave someone, given how favorable the outcomes are to women. Plus women can accuse men of being violent …
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 12:13 PM
3

If the shoe were on the other foot it would rightfully be called out as being abusive/manipulative, but this is just business as usual. And if you object to it it's a personal failing, and you're anti-abuser. Yes, yes I am, gladly. It'd be one thing if it were just romantic relationships but you see these underhanded tactics in all sort of interactions with women. I'm all for equality but that means taking accountability for your actions. You can't demand to be treated like an equal, except for …
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 11:57 AM
6

The MGTOW folks have been on to something for a long time: giving men an exclusive space to vent frustration about modern relationship dynamics. Now only relationships in the romantic sense but also in every other sense. It's helped me understand how women - and those who seek to please them - act in all walks of life. It's almost like dealing with an Egyptian pharaoh on a litter with endless hordes to throw at you. Best not to engage, even if it's more of a bark than a bite.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 08:10 AM
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Simply put, they just want you to feel bad so they can use that to get what they want. But they desire a guy who isn't privy to their whims, who can keep them in check. But who wants to be a nanny to an adult?
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 06:30 AM
26

That's exactly what I was gonna say. Like when that Batwoman actress said she doesn't need anything a man has built.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 05:45 AM
57

It really doesn't make sense for men. Women want men to hold themselves to a higher standard than they are willing to hold themselves to. The only way for it to work is for men to stay faithful and let their women mess around and forgive them when they do. Except women can't desire a man who does what she wants him to. She doesn't want to be mama, she wants to be baby. I'll let the simps take this one. They'll decline and decline in numbers til only the purest remain. I'd like to see what would …
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 05:37 AM
2

No, but I HAVE experience that uncomfortable half-smile when she doesn't know if she should or not.
/r/MGTOW29/06/20 01:40 AM
1

I honestly think humor doesn't register with women the same way it does for men. For me to think something's funny it just needs to make me laugh. For women it needs to make others laugh. Their opinions on things are often the opinions of others. That's why I think they don't like it when guys go "well where do you want to go to dinner?" cause it put it on them and they'd rather be reactive than proactive.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 06:51 PM
1

Women marry up then drag you down.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 06:47 PM
3

Yeah, it's like guys are told to stick by their women no matter what and this happens. Meanwhile women are told "they deserve better" at the first sign of trouble. If the shoe were on the other foot she would have bolted and been applauded for it.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 04:18 PM
3

Call me a chump but I honestly thought feminism was about equality and not treating people differently solely based on their sex. Little did I know I couldn't have been more wrong.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 04:16 PM
8

They've priced themselves out of the market. They won't "settle" for guys that value them. Instead they insist on guys that can do better who, shockingly, do better.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 03:51 PM
2

I could see that. Except whereas our ambition relies on us, for women it's dependent on another.
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 03:44 PM
42

Lately I've been paying more attention to the "Upper Bound" theory. Basically that a woman is looking for the best she has experienced from men in the man she's looking for. She's looking for a man that has the finances of the most well-to-do guy she's been with, the humor of the funniest guy she's been with, the looks of the best-looking guy she's been with, the body of the most athletic guy she's been with, etc. It's why women are so miserable these days. Back in the day she could only compare…
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 03:22 PM
3

They should call out women that use their sway over men to put other men in danger. But it's hard for them to call out other women. Even so it would make the legit criticisms more legit. It's like the fake rape accusations. If those women were called out with the same intensity as actual male rapists then people would pay more mind. But now people don't know who to believe, further weakening their position. They like to say their struggle is similar to the race struggle but women have ALWAYS had…
/r/MGTOW28/06/20 03:12 PM
1

If you don't let women do whatever they want whenever they want you're a misogynist.
/r/MGTOW26/06/20 05:03 PM
8

Wasn't there a five year old special needs kids who was registered as a sex offender for hugging and kissing his classmates?
/r/MGTOW26/06/20 05:01 PM
7

We were meant to be. That usually works in my dreams.
/r/MGTOW26/06/20 06:44 AM
2

Same. Crazy how they come out of the woodwork like that. Had one that preferred an abusive ex-con who beat her and chastised her. Meanwhile I had tried to elevate her. I think she thought he could do what he did from above her, while I could only do what I did from beneath. Like I was Leo in Titanic holding my Rose above water. Anyway she told me she had been "afraid" to be with me. Like bitch really? You were living under constant terror and you were afraid of NOT having that? More like she lik…
/r/MGTOW26/06/20 06:39 AM
2

What would your father want for you?
/r/MGTOW26/06/20 06:28 AM
1

Unfortunately the standard now is to be a pussy.
/r/MGTOW26/06/20 06:27 AM
3

Here are my positions on a multitude of pertinent current issues, but first, check out dis phat ass!
/r/MGTOW25/06/20 11:38 AM
1

Can't believe it took this guy this long to work out that women only say what they want you to hear, if you're a man, then laugh about your trust behind your back.
/r/MGTOW25/06/20 01:53 AM
1

Are there any AITA that put women in an unfavorable light where the woman is the asshole? Is it even possible for a woman to be an asshole in this society? Does that lead to more asshole behavior on their part, knowing they'll never be held to account? Also I think this guy's notion of feminism and equality is vastly different than his wife's. To her equality is all for me, none for you, like a game of Hungry Hungry Hippos.
/r/MGTOW25/06/20 01:52 AM
1

Rule 1: Men Should Do Everything To Please Women Rule 2: Refer to Rule 1
/r/MGTOW25/06/20 01:48 AM
1

Did he get a paternity test first?
/r/MGTOW25/06/20 01:47 AM
0

Stick to your frame. Donuts to dollars she's digging it. Besides there is such a thing as too much of a good thing. You wanna get there?
/r/askTRP23/06/20 09:59 AM
7

If I love her she'll hate me. If I hate her she'll love me. What could possibly go wrong?
/r/MGTOW23/06/20 06:07 AM
3

I have seen very few marriages that men take full controls and don't get divorce raped nowadays. That's because everywhere they turn women are told men are beasts. Yet they are also told they need to get married. So they get married then their friends and society tell them to be disrespectful while putting up with absolutely no disrespect (pot calling the kettle black if you ask me). So what's the result? An entity being drug from one extreme to another with you having to clean up the mess. It's…
/r/MGTOW23/06/20 02:44 AM
2

My husband doesn't know but once or twice a week I ride a stranger's cock.
/r/MGTOW23/06/20 02:40 AM
2

When you "enlisted"? That what they calling marriage these days?
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 08:19 PM
25

A generation that managed to villainize accountability in any way, shape, form, or fashion. If you're a woman. If you're a man you've got to pick up the slack. Today's men were raised to believe that men are disposable and women are great. I'm wondering how much more of this society can take. I feel like it's already inundated, near if not at the saturation point. It's one thing when women weren't accountable when they don't have power but it's TOTALLY different when you're head accountable. It'…
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 08:09 PM
6

"Your honor, it doesn't matter whether or not I committed the crime. All that matter is that you heard about it. That's the real injustice." And if you don't care she just may be on the verge of tears. Don't you care, you heartless bastard?!
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 07:54 PM
19

It's amazing how far people are willing to defend women. If I got that kind of treatment I'd be trying to see how far I could push the envelope too.
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 07:52 PM
6

"She broke down in tears" - doesn't this come by default now? It's lost all effectiveness at this point. If I saw a woman break down in tears I'd treat her like most people would treat a man if he broke down. As in "what the hell is wrong with you and I'm gonna keep a large berth".
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 07:50 PM
3

Not all fathers are like that. My old man would be more likely to take, even if I only had one box left to give.
/r/MGTOW21/06/20 04:21 PM
2

Yeah, it's like you're invisible until you have something they want. It isn't rocket science. And all their tactics rely on you playing along. If you simply stay the course all they can do is shame you. If you buy into it they lose respect for you. For listening. To them. It's like they don't want to be listened to. Or they know, deep down inside, that they can sway to any beat so they know they themselves can't be trusted. Therefore, if you do, you must be a fool. And she doesn't have time for …
/r/MGTOW18/06/20 07:54 AM
3

She probably has a brow-beaten manny back at home. What she wants is a real man that uses her whenever he wants and doesn't talk to her for days or weeks at a time. So dreamy!
/r/MGTOW16/06/20 09:38 PM
8

france its illegal for a man to get a paternity test Unreal. On the other hand I know where I'm taking my next vacation.
/r/MGTOW16/06/20 09:33 PM
3

Initially I thought "well she was 19 - still a kid - when they were married" but I've heard similar things from women in their late 30s. I think it's a think a lot of modern men struggle with. Guys have been taught to treat women as equals - often with mostly female influences reinforcing it throughout the formative years - but then when they get into relationships they don't realize just how driftless things get when one side is incapable of taking ownership of their actions. You many think "I …
/r/MGTOW16/06/20 09:08 PM
3

"I am not open to working on our relationship anymore..." Bitch, what have you done?! Seriously?! Everything is something he's got to do. It's all "this is what I want and he's got to meet me here." What a spoiled brat.
/r/MGTOW16/06/20 09:03 PM
3

Woman: "You don't understand officer, we went on a very lovely first date. I even almost let him kiss me." Judge: "Where's the real father?" Woman: "How the f&*% should I know that motherf*&$er isn't worth the time of day! He f&%#ed me once and I haven't heard from him since!" Judge: "And yet you still let him inside you?" Woman: "There was just something about him." Men are conditioned to protect and provide. Women use this but don't want the safe option. So what's the result? If you step back …
/r/MGTOW16/06/20 08:57 PM
7

When women could first get divorces, divorces skyrocketed. Makes sense. After all there were some men that knew their wives couldn't do anything about it. Once women could get out they did. If you're in an abusive relationship you should get out of it. But it's been 50 years and the divorce rate is still high. Are you saying that all these men are abusive? If that were the case wouldn't women stop wanting to get married? The only conclusion I can come to is that women either think they are the e…
/r/MGTOW16/06/20 08:41 PM
3

"Please advise me how to come out of this without any problem." I'm confused I thought behind every great man is a great woman. It can't be that women are picking the great men and then patting themselves on the back. It reminds me of how I always pick the winning team after the game is played.
/r/MGTOW16/06/20 08:36 PM
21

It seems like "love" is a woman's way to get men to do what they want. I've still never heard a man say "if you loved me you would." It's a one-way street. Men would be better off without it. Think about it, the dominant sex could be made submissive but something that doesn't really mean anything. It's a leash you put around your own neck.
/r/MGTOW16/06/20 08:29 PM
0

I'd argue that most white women have higher standards for black guys, assuming they bother at all. A Black 9 is lower than a White 9, in terms of resource extraction considering white folks own 10x more than black guys. So you have women of all colors dating "up".
/r/MGTOW02/06/20 09:17 PM
18

Black guys need higher standards. You have white women that think no matter how much they let themselves go, black guys will be their safety net. It's just "more junk in the trunk". Obviously a woman that sees a black guy like that isn't gonna value him very much. "Even they will drink from the trough of society's leftovers." But it's not like black women are gonna step up. They gonna blame the guy, blame the women, like all women they blame everyone else. And instead of "stepping up" they peste…
/r/MGTOW02/06/20 04:29 PM
10

Black Lives Matter! But you have lower status so as a rule imma steer clear. Now if you get to the tippy-top of your field I may look you're way, but don't hold your breath. TL/DR: I'll jump on the bandwagon as long as everyone does, but don't expect me to jump on you. TL/DR 2: Black lives matter, black lives just won't live in me. TL/DR 3: Black lives matter, just don't expect to date me or my daughter, unless no one's the wiser, #status after all, have to keep myself plausibly clean. Now if bl…
/r/MGTOW02/06/20 04:22 PM
6

She'd probably say it was someone else. If the poor fool was "in love" he'd probably buy it. I'm starting to think more and more that love is used to get guys to ignore their logical side and without that glue this house of cards would have come down a LOOONG time ago. Think about it, love is never used to get women to do anything for men meanwhile women seem to exclusively use it to get guys to do things "if you really loved me you would" or "i thought you loved me". Children indeed.
/r/MGTOW30/05/20 12:28 AM
0

If I thought I could get away with anything I wouldn't think twice about this. Then I'd rob a bank and if anyone tried to stop me I'd deploy crocodile tears and mutter between sobs, "Aw, I sa-we aw-fi-sir, a didn't know a coo-didn't do dat" and frown the most adorable frown.
/r/MGTOW30/05/20 12:25 AM
2

You never find a happy feminist. No one chooses that life if things are going well for them. Why conform to beauty standards when you can tell yourself "i'm beautiful just the way I am" and "you just need to find the right person". Let's break this down logically. The only guys that would find this a turn-on are the guys that have been kowtowed to think this way. Does a guy like that really get women hot and bothered? It's somewhat poetic justice that the guys that don't register on many women's…
/r/MGTOW28/05/20 04:36 PM
2

Also forcing a straight kid to be gay is just as bad as forcing a gay to be straight. I don't get how someone who'd be against conversion therapy is all for it if they are doing it. This may sound harsh but I don't think women every grow past the "junior-high" phase, the everyone-else-is-doing-it-so-there's-got-to-be-something-to-it-even-if-I-can't-identify-it phase. Lemmings. Though it's a pretty powerful tool if you can learn to wield it.
/r/MGTOW27/05/20 11:08 AM
2

I've accepted there are two type of people: those who can accept being wrong and those who cannot. You can never get through to the latter. If you ask them, well what will it take to convince you otherwise they'll look at you like you're crazy. People like that shouldn't be parents because they think their way is the only way. The funny thing is they must have gotten their ideas from somewhere, but they refuse to acknowledge it. I have a theory this is why jerks are so popular with women. They g…
/r/MGTOW27/05/20 11:02 AM
8

If you can't accept me at my best you don't accept me at my worst. What's that? You're no longer at your best? Byeeeeeeeee!
/r/MGTOW27/05/20 12:15 AM
2

Yes I think circumcision is child abuse. I used to think what's the big deal? Then I thought, if it doesn't matter either way why do it? THEN I thought, wait hold up, we're mutilating children here, how is this okay? If we're willing to do this to men from such a young age, if "we're" willing to send off boys to fight with the "prize" being temporary adoration from a woman, who would move on to the next guy if you don't come back, then men have become incredibly de-valued. Why feed into it? Like…
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 08:01 PM
1

I've heard that in many cases it's a child's desire to please the parent. So if a woman has a boy and she wanted a daughter the boy will do whatever he can to make the mother happy. It's Stockholm Syndrome. Men can do it to but they get called out on it. The kids are in a tight spot because they HAVE to abide to the parent's whims, or face not receiving that protection. The problem is women are naturally susceptible to these sort of things. Following the latest fashion. Desperate to be apart of …
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 07:54 PM
1

It's like they are trying to recreate humanity in their own image. No one can do anything about it. If a man tries he's anti-woman. You'd think if anyone would be sensitive to being silenced it'd be women. But no. Now it's their turn!
/r/MGTOW26/05/20 07:49 PM
1

It's a business. The larger the settlement the bigger the lawyer's cut. A man can't do anything to defend himself. Meanwhile all a woman has to do is shed some tears. "Oh, she cried? I guess that's all it takes. You're not heartless, are you? It's only your livelihood." Besides how does one disprove "emotional distress"? If a man tried that he'd be laughed out of the courtroom. No one within the system wants to be seen as the bad guy. Defending men is inherently evil in a gynocentric society. (H…
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 11:20 AM
1

Men do what they do for the society, women do what they do for themselves. The idea was that women could follow status, so even if they didn't understand how the guy provides value they could still chase the status. But things have become convoluted. Back in the day it was easy to see who was the best hunter or warrior, but now the fields have become so specialized that women are dependent on how others react (and yet they still get half from a company they may not have gotten a job at, much les…
/r/MGTOW25/05/20 11:11 AM
7

It's pretty common for divorce lawyers to propose allegations. It gets them a bigger payday. Who watches the watchmen?
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 05:05 PM
13

A scorpion, which cannot swim, asks a frog to carry it across a river on the frog's back. The frog hesitates, afraid of being stung by the scorpion, but the scorpion argues that if it did that, they would both drown. The frog considers this argument sensible and agrees to transport the scorpion. Midway across the river, the scorpion stings the frog anyway, dooming them both. The dying frog asks the scorpion why it stung the frog despite knowing the consequence, to which the scorpion replies: "I …
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 05:03 PM
7

At some point it was gonna be too much. But they won't listen, cause men can't be trusted, cause they know they can't be trusted and see the world through that lens. Not to mention they are most into the guys they can trust the least. What a way to be.
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 06:17 AM
1

The one thing you would hope you can count on is childrearing. But women aren't expected to do anything, someone has to, so it's "man up", shame as a whip. When someone who is selfish is telling you not to selfish that is someone to ignore. Sounds like you have two kids. Men must grow, women find it repressive.
/r/MGTOW24/05/20 06:14 AM
1

Women hate on women and men and project that out. Most people can only see things from their perspective. If a man is nice to a woman she thinks "what's his agenda?" if it's a woman she thinks "what does that bitch want". Everything is met with negativity and hostility. I think we know where the real toxicity lies. Look up projection and it'll all make sense.
/r/MGTOW23/05/20 07:34 AM
1

Yeah, if it had been the opposite this would be plastered all over the media and that would be the discussion. Dictating the terms of the discussion is the strongest way to get your point across. Just like how only "acceptable" politicians are available options, only certain positions are allowed to be considered on a large scale.
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 02:38 AM
5

Put yourself in that position. You get something for nothing. You'd want to see what you can get out of it. Like being born with an ATM card with a balance you can't read. You'd keep withdrawing til you couldn't anymore. Not saying it's fair but it's best to know what we're dealing with.
/r/MGTOW21/05/20 12:01 AM
0

Haha, if your "best" critique is something good it means you are incapable of seeing anything bad in yourself. If you applied that externally you wouldn't make it one day.
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 11:58 PM
1

"they end up cannibalizing their own dating pool" Wouldn't it be crazy if MGTOW were the best thing to happen in this regard? The only guys they want to date are the guys that want nothing to do with them? A reversal on how men fetishize virgins, expect in this case it's the fetishization of guys that haven't been mindfucked by society. But these are precisely the guys they can't have. The only thing women are sure to want are the things they can't have.
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 11:49 PM
2

Kill all men! But first let's get it on.
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 03:54 PM
2

Can't wait for this to become a Minority Report situation. "There were about to have sex, sir." "Looks like we came just in time." Seriously though, imagine if PC culture is what does humanity in.
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 03:52 PM
2

Once again, they have it twisted. If it's anything it's the other way around. I feel sorry for them, truly. They say shit they don't even mean to "test" a guy. Stop for a moment to consider that. "How could you be so stupid as to believe what I had to say? Fail!" But then, when they need a guy, they know any actual man would see through their BS so they are left with guys they wouldn't have looked at twice before. It's poetic justice. Even for the guys that believe everything they hear, so long …
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 03:49 PM
1

Just because I dress this way...
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 03:38 PM
5

Until women start getting punished it won't stop. If you go to a casino and win when you win but don't have to pay anything, even the original bet, when you lose then what's stopping you? You literally can't lose.
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 03:37 PM
33

Not only with married guys. If you pull back she'll flood the market like OPEC when oil prices drop.
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 03:33 PM
2

He made me feel special/if you only paid more attention to me.
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 12:57 PM
3

Stay cool. Any emotion can and will be used against you. You can say "I'm upset. I feel like my trust has been violated." but you can't raise your voice or act like steam is coming out of your ears. Stay the course and you'll be fine. So far you've handled it as well as anyone could be expected to. Basically look at it from the perspective of the judge. Like a job interview you want to make it as easy as possible on the hiring manager. Be a model defendant.
/r/MGTOW20/05/20 12:53 PM
1

One addition. I agree that men and woman are largely the same and it is the social conditioning that differentiates us. We have to look at the difference that led to life getting this far. Most men have not reproduced. So to get the attention of females they had to strike out and take risks. Most women, however, did reproduce. So for them taking on these risks wasn't necessary, it was safer for them to play it safe. To let men take on the risk of hunting and protecting. Women were the gatekeeper…
/r/MGTOW19/05/20 04:09 AM
8

I can't list the number of times a woman will just spew whatever she feels as if it were fact and then, upon the slightly resistance, break down or lash out. Imagine being on a witness stand, being caught in a lie and then crying or screaming at the judge. It doesn't seem to make sense but the methods don't matter, as long as you get the result you seek. As long as it works it makes all the sense in the world. The older I get the more I mark a mature man as someone not affected by these tired se…
/r/MGTOW19/05/20 03:56 AM
2

Others' opinions regarding men's value is only relevant if we, as men, look toward others for validation. And considering men are the least likely to receive validation we're best suited to do without.
/r/MGTOW19/05/20 03:50 AM
7

For me it started even earlier than that. I guess the "man" in my life hadn't accepted this truth so he made sure I never forgot it too. It was the woman he was fucking, the girls, him, then me. He had no respect for himself as a man, yet anytime I tried to assert my masculinity he saw it as a threat. He thought it was safer not to rock the boat. I quickly learned that always meant that I had to move in accordance to the others in my life - while the rest of them got to pay no mind. I thought it…
/r/MGTOW19/05/20 03:46 AM
20

Funny how the initial response was shame. Like saying "you supporting yourself is anti-me" would actually get somewhere. Shows what logical masterminds we're dealing with. It's quite telling that their most effective tactic is being a chameleon that parrots our talking points. We ask for a logical counter-point, there is none, but do what we want anyway. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
/r/MGTOW18/05/20 12:07 PM
11

I think she's advocating a pro-life position. Like what woman would be crazy enough to support financial abortion? Killing an unborn child? Maybe. Taking away my right to be financial manipulative? Slow down now.
/r/MGTOW18/05/20 12:03 PM
6

It's strange that women have a much stronger biological drive toward having children and yet the best argument they can muster is shame. Especially ironic given how sensitive they are when they are shamed about anything. Maybe they're afraid anything else would make them seem "easy". For men having children was more about status and it was part of the human experience once we started pairing off. But we're seeing the impact of allowing the more capricious sex to make the call. When men were in c…
/r/MGTOW17/05/20 12:16 PM
1

Doing the dirty work for them. If anything acting out of fear of being labeled such things is the submissive act.
/r/MGTOW17/05/20 01:44 AM
3

It's a sad admission. This sort of behavior actually benefits them. I never would have guessed. There's an actual incentive. The fuck.
/r/MGTOW16/05/20 11:24 PM
1

Women complain all the time about men being superficial but it seems like no matter what a woman looks like some guy will be interested. Even when they receive interest they still wonder "where all the good men are". It's because they are only looking at the top echelon. They could be with a guy, even a guy that's rated higher than them overall (say the 44 percentile vs them being at the 22 percentile) and this guy will still be invisible to them. They'll wonder "why can't you be more like this …
/r/MGTOW16/05/20 11:21 PM
1

The emotional support angle is starting to feeling like the good cop/bad cop or like special forces interrogation. "Just tell me what I want to know and this will go a lot smoother for you." "But you're the one causing me pain." It's the Stockholm Syndrome or sadism. You're expected to love your tormentor and you know that's just use it to their own ends.
/r/MGTOW16/05/20 11:16 PM
1

"Circle the wagons around the women and children." Only eventually the boys have to protect the caravan, the girls on the other hand expect to be protected forever.
/r/MGTOW16/05/20 11:11 PM
1

It's ironic that the "fairer" sex can be so selfish in this regard.
/r/MGTOW16/05/20 11:09 PM
2

It's a shame that so many men think that if only they do this or accomplish that that they'll finally receive care but that only lasts as long as you can keep providing. It's the emotional equivalent of prostitution. Only at least with prostitution you get sex, here you get more of the same vapid act.
/r/MGTOW16/05/20 11:07 PM
5

Better to also live a life without triggers that cause mental problems. Words to live by.
/r/MGTOW16/05/20 05:23 PM
3

Would be par for the course, resources have always flowed from men to women. Makes sense if you need to have kids but most men haven't throughout history. If there had been a vote it would have been ugly. Imagine if men seceded, women would be in a world of hurt. Sounds like it's what some of them want though. Reminds me of how a woman started a woman-only company and it crashed and burned in spectacular fashion. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets…
/r/MGTOW16/05/20 05:22 PM
4

It's a hell of a thing. It's probably also why men are slow to go to the doctor or ask for directions. It's really a hindrance if you think about it. You could get further without these hang-ups, then again people may be more reluctant to help out a guy.
/r/MGTOW16/05/20 05:17 PM
7

You make a good point that a man's emotional strength comes from within whereas a woman's comes for external sources. Though it's a harder path if a guy can figure it out he'll always have access to it and he won't be at the mercy of another, whose motive may not be sincere. It may sound cynical - though I think it's practical - that no one interacts with another unless there's something in it for themselves. I think women have an in-group bias because they see themselves in the situation. Guys …
/r/MGTOW16/05/20 05:14 PM
2

It's almost as if the point is how much can men take? But they can't do anything about it. They are just supposed to take it. So men disengage. All this time guys have basically been told to figure it out, but in this particular case it's not in their hands. Men can't systematically abuse women on this scale. It's like women are getting even but the stuff they're pulling is very visible but when men are supposedly doing is harder to put your finger on. They can even say they felt a certain kind …
/r/MGTOW16/05/20 04:53 PM
6

Why do women get such a pass? It's kinda condescending. But she's a poor, widdle woo-man.
/r/MGTOW16/05/20 03:22 PM
2

A "tendency to cause trouble for others" is normal functioning for females. A bit on the nose. Except these days men can't serve as arbitrators for fear of being seen as oppressors. It is something that once women were able to squash this they did. And yet they see nothing wrong with promoting a male version - apropos of nothing, as if female hysteria sprang from the ether - to place blame for nearly everything on men to the point that defending men is anti-woman and a step forward for men is a …
/r/MGTOW16/05/20 08:19 AM
4

Can we start a male movement where we try to shame people into letting us do whatever we want to illustrate how ridiculous this advice is? Of course it isn't well-reasoned, it's emotional. It's the equivalent of a small child saying "but I want it!"
/r/MGTOW16/05/20 06:09 AM
6

I used to when going out, which is kinda crazy if you think about it. Risking permanent injury to look good in the eyes of a stranger. Never got me anywhere. Like I was a trained dog. Then I stopped and would get "what? you don't think I'm worth it?" and I'd say "not really" or "handle your own business" and that would actual get me somewhere, not that that was what I was going for. It is strange that women look for a guy to protect them and if you do you're disposable. I can't imagine asking fo…
/r/MGTOW15/05/20 09:32 AM
16

Raise your hand if a woman has started shit with a guy and looked to you to deal with it.
/r/MGTOW15/05/20 09:26 AM
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It is quite remarkable. The standards for women are dropping like a stone, meanwhile the standards for men are shooting up like a rocket. I suppose for the former the latter must exist. Had no idea this is what they meant by equality! If I were on that side I'd want more of that sweet sweet equality too! In all seriousness though women can be themselves and men that act that way are assumed to check all the boxes cause most guys are stressed out over all these modern demands. My question is how …
/r/MGTOW15/05/20 03:50 AM
1

Wanting something for nothing. Sounds like alchemy.
/r/MGTOW15/05/20 03:34 AM
2

Yes, and yet men are thought to be the impulsive beast. If one person is checked at the slightest sign and the other isn't, who is gonna be more controlled? My old man got himself a trophy wife after my mother passed and this lady may have well had his balls in her purse. But instead of standing up for himself or his kids, whenever she was a bitch -- which was a daily occurrence -- he would lash out at his kids from "the other woman" -- like that would get him some ass. She always threatened to …
/r/MGTOW15/05/20 03:26 AM
19

Well women haven't been able to. Give them time. After all it's been men before, so....
/r/MGTOW15/05/20 03:18 AM
2

I can't believe anyone even had the audacity to question this sweet, perfect little angel. She dresses well and knows how to apply make-up, how could she possibly do any wrong?
/r/MGTOW15/05/20 03:17 AM
2

Anything can be banned in the interest of "safety". I don't remember the part in the first amendment that said freedom of speech unless, you know, we think it's better that you don't.
/r/MGTOW15/05/20 03:12 AM
3

Shh, you're saying the quiet part aloud.
/r/MGTOW15/05/20 03:10 AM
9

Feminists: She's empowered! Also feminists: As a loving partner he should be more aware of how his actions affect his kah-ween!
/r/MGTOW12/05/20 05:55 AM
1

Don't forget she's also an "independent" woman.
/r/MGTOW12/05/20 05:52 AM
2

Woman constantly lowering standards for themselves while raising standards for men. Something's gotta give.
/r/MGTOW11/05/20 10:45 PM
1

I get the feeling that women think any attention is good attention. Like if you try to bring up these inequalities it's either "you're just jealous" or "you're a bad person". Either way it's like they think we're coming to them for their treatise on the matter. I think it will take guys walking out en masse, like a strike, to get the message across. But then guys will be seen at a premium and the weaker guys -- the ones not used to kindness from females -- will be the first to fold. This is the …
/r/MGTOW11/05/20 04:21 AM
4

You know if $ wasn't involved she'd say this guy was a creep and would have already blocked him. What makes a guy a creep or not? A woman's level of attraction toward him.
/r/MGTOW10/05/20 08:16 AM
1

Now that you mention it yes. With guys I knew the score. With the female teachers I always felt like I was walking on eggshells. Now that I think about it if I fucked up with a male teacher he'd explained what I did wrong with a female it was like I should have know better (you all know that look). I even had one female teacher mock me in front of the entire class and she kept it up until the other kids started laughing and if she had a bad day the rest of the year I was her favorite target. It …
/r/MGTOW10/05/20 07:45 AM
4

And if he doesn't do what she wants somehow HE'S the controlling one.
/r/MGTOW10/05/20 07:39 AM
2

Don't forget she's only doing it because she loves him and only wants what's best for him. It's sadistic is what it is, but because it's a woman we're all expected to do Cirque Soleil acrobatics to not see it for what it is.
/r/MGTOW10/05/20 07:38 AM
2

God damn! Dem replies be BRUTAL! Serious question doh, how you be dat be and NOT have a fat ass?
/r/MGTOW10/05/20 07:34 AM
8

Or there's no upside. If a guy shows his emotions to men he'll be seen as weak. If he shows it to a lover he'll be seen as weak AND she'll lose attraction. She wants someone who is strong so SHE can be weak.
/r/MGTOW10/05/20 02:22 AM
2

Yes, yes that's exactly it. And it's seeped into people's minds where saying anything less than flattering is like speaking ill of God during the Middle Ages. I'm having a "conversation" with whom I'm assuming is a woman -- through given the ability of this thought virus to take over its host I wouldn't be surprised if it was a guy tricked into "being a good guy" or "doing the right thing" -- where one side is using derogatory sexist slurs. I'll let you guess which side. All I'm trying to do is …
/r/MGTOW10/05/20 12:46 AM
3

I think it's overblown. Back in the day to get a compliment from a guy you had to actually interact with him. Maybe go out on a date. Get to know him. Now that's being equated with an anonymous like on Instagram. So a higher percentage of women think they're at the top so they can be choosy. I agree that men, for the most part, have overcorrected. But it also affects women. The nature of these relationships aren't as deep, so you get more single mothers and overall weaker intersex connections. Y…
/r/MGTOW09/05/20 08:47 PM
1

In his defense he has gotten a lot without working for it (possibly women too). She seems to be the opposite. Maybe he's thinking "finally!" Though he does look pretty miserable. ​ Guess it's true what they say "happy wife, happy - who the fuck cares about you? You? Toxic Masculinity! This man puts himself first! Only we can do that! It's not fair!"
/r/MGTOW09/05/20 04:41 AM
1

She thinks it's her responsibility to train him. He thinks it's her responsibility. He thinks it'll get her to love him/stay in love with him. She couldn't be more disgusted.
/r/MGTOW09/05/20 04:39 AM
1

What?
/r/MGTOW07/05/20 07:17 PM
3

Can't understand or won't understand. Guess if I were told I was the paradigm for all that was good and proper I'd have an episode of cognitive dissonance here as well, after all being human comes first and what's more human than taking whatever you can.
/r/MGTOW06/05/20 01:43 AM
4

Dating is pretty much Sales. Everyone's trying to sell using their strongest selling points (including the woman, ideally you get her selling herself to you - not literally, as in selling what would make her a good companion - meaning you have to give her things to latch onto). And like in Sales, warm leads are easier to convert than cold calling. OP seems to be using "energy" which opens yourself to having your energy being affected by the person you are interacting with, so a string of bad int…
/r/seduction05/05/20 10:08 PM
1

Most often a girl doesnt even know why she rejected you or was hesitant. ​ So true. "Huh?" "Huh?" "As I was saying..." ​ Women aren't men. Men might be like dogs with a bone when they want to know something but since women are constantly throwing barbs there often isn't much behind any specific one. The worst thing you can do is shoot yourself in the foot/do her dirty work for her.
/r/seduction05/05/20 10:03 PM
2

The sad thing is the woman probably thinks if he's willing to do whatever it takes to get his then he'd feel the same about her and their child. Failing to realize she falls in the same bucket as everyone else. Perhaps it's due to women having such an elevated sense of self or perhaps it's her thinking he would care about offspring as much as her. Comes down to people thinking others think like them. Or perhaps it's simpler than that. Perhaps women just want to be won over and most decent guys w…
/r/MGTOW31/10/19 12:08 AM
18

C'mon, "sisterhood"? That's all talk my man. A consolation prize. How many smoking hot feminists are out there?
/r/MGTOW26/09/19 05:57 AM
2

Don't sell yourself short. Shoot for younger before the indoctrination has set in. Maybe then you'll have a chance to steer the ship before it's set in its course. I'm telling you man the market doesn't make any sense. Younger women are less expectant. The older ones expect more and yet have less to offer. Totally bonkers.
/r/MGTOW12/09/19 01:26 PM
1

Yeah, Alphas know their value so why wouldn't they settle for her? As for the financial provisioning, we haven't seen wealth inequality like this since Ancient Egypt and it's only getting worse. It's a simple numbers game, there are less and less guys available so there will be crunch. When you factor in game theory it's everyone for themselves and this pressure only exacerbates the situation.
/r/MGTOW12/09/19 01:22 PM
3

The heartless bit is using this as a selling point. It's like talking up a sports car that breaks down the moment you drive it off the lot. And if you protest it's your fault. You shouldn't have x, y, or z.
/r/MGTOW12/09/19 01:16 PM
2

What gets me is how this is squarely men's fault. Not a word of lip service paid to the how side. Do they want a wage gap or not? Either you don't care (as demonstrated by your actions, i.e. don't just say you want an equal partner when it benefits you, and actually marry guys that make what you make or - gasp - less) or be fine with guys making more. How can you only entertain marrying guys that make more, yet not want guys to make more? The only conclusion I can reach is they don't want marria…
/r/MGTOW12/09/19 03:51 AM
3

Funny how that happens. Most guys are invisible in their early 20s when their female counterparts are drowning in attention. Then, when the tide starts to turn, guys get eviscerated for doing precisely what had been done to them. As if to say "I want my cake and to eat it too, for all time. My needs come first." Yet it's the guys that put themselves first that women want most.
/r/MGTOW12/09/19 03:46 AM
1

Preach. Can't have it both ways. Women are internally focused creatures. They want what they want even if it makes no sense from a wider view. It takes two to tango but notice how the blame is placed at the feet of men.
/r/MGTOW12/09/19 03:42 AM
2

Men should like women for "who they are". Women only like men for what they can provide.
/r/MGTOW11/09/19 08:43 PM
3

If the shoe were on the other foot...
/r/MGTOW11/09/19 08:23 PM
1

How much are guys willing to take? Of course the narrative is fuck these guys. Then "where have all the good men gone?" Fewer and fewer men can afford to risk being bent over a barrel. Everything's men's fault. Note the story doesn't discuss women having standards that are too high. Guess men should lie, cheat, and steal more. This'll make 'em "marriage material".
/r/MGTOW11/09/19 08:22 PM
1

What would a world where this held true even look like? Seems it's more like a Venus fly-trap. Sweet nectar to lure you in and then - bam - you're trapped. Perhaps discussing it with them is like trying to get a Venus fly-trap to change it's nature, it wouldn't even know where to begin.
/r/MGTOW03/09/19 07:14 PM
2

Maybe they think it's a good thing. Cause they're told to be in touch with their emotions. But then it's like blood in the water. Either it's something they can't control or it's their response to not feeling comfortable being on the receiving end. Men are supposed to take the emotional shit, not dish it out.
/r/MGTOW23/08/19 11:34 PM
1

This is gonna be my go-to.
/r/MGTOW23/08/19 11:30 PM
3

Right, a man is supposed to work himself to the bone and somehow find time to make her "feel special" or she'll cheat on him and blame him for not paying enough attention to her...and possibly get paid for it for years.
/r/MGTOW23/08/19 11:30 PM
1

It is strange that men are effectively told to toughen up all their lives, then when they get in a relationship women wish they'd "open up more", then if they do women lose interest cause the guy no longer embodies what being a man is. ​ Think that's a shit test or are they just on auto-pilot?
/r/MGTOW23/08/19 07:57 PM
1

Takes an action. Blames men when things don't go as planned. Sounds like a bitch to me.
/r/MGTOW13/08/19 04:21 AM
1

Yeah it is all a lie. If I'm trying to have fun I push the lie til it breaks. The lies are all superficial, skin-deep, so if you exaggerate it it comes crumbing down. For example, "All men are pigs." I'd say "You're totally right. I don't know any women that have ever cheated on their boyfriends but men cheat all the time." The trick is to be sincere. She'll be thinking of all her girlfriends that have cheated on their boyfriends, or perhaps times she has done so in the past. All you have to do …
/r/MGTOW04/08/19 11:43 PM
1

It's cause they get away with it. People are much less patient with men (even sooner if you're a minority) but the shit never hits the fan when it comes to women. In fact they'll be every manner of effort made to justify their behavior. Imagine being wronged by a woman and having everyone tell you it's YOUR fault. Either you can go down that road and believe you're always to blame (ex: "Your wife is always right." What the fuck is up with that shit? If she were shouldn't she be curing cancer of …
/r/MGTOW04/08/19 11:37 PM
9

I'm the victim! Now watch as I continue to victimize you.
/r/MGTOW04/08/19 11:28 PM
3

Men are taught to restrain themselves (their manhood). Women are taught to express themselves (their femininity). In the wild I'd rather be a man because I'd have a better chance of survival. Though in society she can call on other men to take me down and she'll likely be believed because she's a woman (not because she's weaker, then minorities would be believed too) while being indifferent to me because I'm a man. Then they're all surprised when men decide they've had enough of this shit. Like …
/r/MGTOW04/08/19 11:25 PM
1

What I was getting at was these forces using shame to get me to act in certain ways. "Do this or you're not a real man", "Do this or you're not a real Christian", "Do this or you're not a real American", and it doesn't seem like it's a two-way street, reminds me of original sin, or having to pay up for wagers someone else had made (not unlike how we taxpapers had to cover Wall Streets risky bets in 2008).
/r/MGTOW03/08/19 04:56 PM
2

The epiphanies persist. Not only with women and religion, there are a number of others walls that also come crashing down. Take nationalism for example. A myth that demands you be willing to lay down your life for the myth. Though I suppose gynocentrism and religion also make claims your life, though it's more drawn out.
/r/MGTOW03/08/19 03:36 PM
16

Yeah and who was stoking the flames. If it bleeds it leads. The media adds gasoline to the fire and then throws their hands up when shit explodes. Reminds me of when the Boston Marathon bombers photos were leaked, which led to them realizing the cops were on their trail, which led to them going on a shooting spree that cost a cop his life. The sad thing is the cops were closing in on their location by triangulating their cell phones. They would have been on them in a matter of hours, likely with…
/r/MGTOW03/08/19 03:21 PM
2

It's sad to say, but when I view them that way things tend to work out a lot better for me. Don't expect anything from them that you wouldn't expect from a child and you'll be put in a bad situation because you'll never allow yourself to be. In fact it's only when I start relying on them that things tend to backfire.
/r/MGTOW03/08/19 03:08 PM
2

As an atheist myself, I get where you're coming from and it's a useful tact to employ here. I used to try to "de-convert" people because I saw it as brainwashing. I grew up in a situation where religion was strongly entrench and the only people I could talk to about it had a vested interest in keeping me blind (probably not too different from people whose worldview only comes from watching the news), I was just told to pray more, like there was something wrong with me for even questioning them. …
/r/MGTOW03/08/19 03:04 PM
1

I used to think analyzing men-women relations would impress women. Like "here's the issue, let's figure out a way to move forward." But I've found the moment you ask anything of them or criticize them in any way it comes across almost like blasphemy. I'm used to taking the shit and I get that it's not as common in their world, but to eschew any responsibility is tantamount to saying "it's all your fault!" pushing all the blame and onus away.
/r/MGTOW03/08/19 02:59 PM
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Yeah, that's a great way of letting off the frustration.
/r/MGTOW03/08/19 02:55 PM
1

Haha, yeah that is how that would probably go down. Reminds me of the all-women marketing firm that decided that men were the problem, but without guys they were at each other's throats all the time. If anything men were a calming presence. Without that unifying force they only had each other to use their claws on. Also reminds me of the Family Guy were a prisoner shanks each newbie and at the end of the episode does it to himself and remarks, "That's what I've been doing to people all this time…
/r/MGTOW03/08/19 02:54 PM
1

Shit test from guys is still something I'm getting used to. And I don't mean how guys generally gauge each other. I mean hearing words coming from a man's mouth that I would expect to come from a woman's. I'll admit I used to go "Am I missing something here?" like maybe I'm being the insensitive one. Then I thought maybe I'm being pussy whipped by a guy that's being pussy whipped. Besides what can this guy offer me in this situation. As for selling our future for a piece of ass, you'd think wome…
/r/MGTOW03/08/19 02:39 AM
1

More and more boys aren't growing up with male figures in their lives (at home or at school). And I don't mean to be a prick about this, but how is that men's fault? Women want more influence, get it and then bitch at men for getting what they want? But, for the sake of argument, let's explore it a bit further. Time was that women had little/less say, now that that has started to shift men are beginning to run for the hills. It doesn't matter why (though I would argue it's because men feel like …
/r/MGTOW01/08/19 04:19 AM
1

Somehow this is seen as "empowerment". Any system above critique is a dangerous one. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Let me do whatever I want or I'll call you a name.
/r/MGTOW31/07/19 08:15 AM
2

Not fearing alienation tactics is a good approach. And it also has worked on some effeminate men. They give me shit. I give no fucks and then there's this look of disbelief. Like how dare I not submit to them. In the past it was usually when I had gotten past the point of not wanting to take any more of their shit but slowly it's becoming more naturally for me not to take any shit. If I can put it into words I suppose I thought if I take enough shit I'd get what I want. The thing is that's the e…
/r/MGTOW31/07/19 08:11 AM
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Expecting anything from a woman is misogynist. And so is not giving her everything she wants whenever she wants it, you pig!
/r/MGTOW29/07/19 04:50 AM
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But what exactly do you propose? Appears to be a fight where one side can't fight back. Seems the only way to not lose is to not play (though I'd be open to suggestions). Perhaps if all men were to stand there ground, though it's like the prisoner's dilemma, they'll always be some bloke who will break. However it seems women see through that and gravitate toward the men that have the balls to tell them off (great parenting material they're filtering for). And there's the rub. This stalwartness w…
/r/MGTOW29/07/19 04:46 AM
4

Men = $ to this chick? SMH.
/r/MGTOW28/12/18 07:27 AM
3

If these guys can pull this off who can't. Mad respect tho. Impressions went thru the roof.
/r/MGTOW28/12/18 07:17 AM
6

The child she strung up was a boy, so there's that. Makes the probation a little more understandable.
/r/MGTOW20/07/18 06:01 AM
1

Well I think what happens is when they get what they want they want more. They get what they want, it becomes the new normal, and they want more from there (Chris Rock has a great bit on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPesKyIhGZg). The problem is if a guy gives them what they want they can't respect him. Those with lower status do things for those with higher status so they can't help but see these guys as having less status than them. Hence "Alpha fucks, beta providers". They don't want m…
/r/MGTOW04/07/18 10:07 PM
0

Who cares? They're gonna be miserable either way so why bother?
/r/MGTOW04/07/18 05:07 AM
4

As counterintuitive as it sounds going MGTOW is the best way to get women. Stay with me on this one. Imagine two people are negotiating for something, let's say salary for a new position or some other business dealing, and let's say they occupy different universes. Who do you think is going to get the better deal, the guy who needs the job/the business deal or the guy who is perfectly fine walking away? It's why you hear from a lot of guys her who stopped caring about women and now get more wome…
/r/MGTOW02/07/18 07:08 AM
2

There were married. It's a conservative state. A lot of talk about "the wellbeing of the child".
/r/MGTOW02/07/18 06:41 AM
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Yeah when you flip the script like that it really all falls apart. Meaning, for the sake of equality, it should fall apart for men too. If you want things to be fair you should wear a blindfold and not know anything about the other side when making a call. Also your note makes it abundantly clear how odd it is that she's taking as much credit for his success as he does, and gets it. Only in a society that treats one sex with safety gloves. And needing the in-group bias to get it to work. I hear …
/r/MGTOW24/06/18 01:20 PM
4

Love me for who I am (in same breath) I expect the world. Translation: I want everything for nothing, and if you don't give it to me you're the one that's messed up. Men have to mature, for women it's optional.
/r/MGTOW22/06/18 05:23 AM
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Funny how women are free to do what they want and that's somehow empowering. But when a guy does that the courts and this gynocentric culture try to mold men into the perfect counterbalance. But a day will come when there won't be enough beta cucks to go around. When enough guys wise up and work out it's not worth it. Where shame loses its effectiveness. I almost feel bad for them. They can't admit they've pushed it too far and feminism has now backfired. (Maybe they think if they pull back a bi…
/r/MGTOW21/06/18 06:25 AM
1

That sounded good until the part when you got the women. I wouldn't want a woman that likes that but AWALT.
/r/MGTOW21/06/18 06:04 AM
1

Any other books/content you suggest?
/r/MGTOW21/06/18 03:41 AM
1

Rational Male has been on my reading list for a while now. I'll definitely hit it up sooner rather than later.
/r/MGTOW21/06/18 03:40 AM
2

Not to sound like a little bitch or anything, but there's an iota within me that wants to believe that maybe -- just maybe -- if I give one of these girls my heart she'll do the same. I know she'll see it as a victory and won't be able to help but see what that victory is worth but why can't I let go of this notion? It's almost like men are starved for emotion and told women are the only source (reminds me of the dogs from Animal Farm) but the cost is too high. I feel like a drug addict but it's…
/r/MGTOW21/06/18 02:51 AM
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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. And the less you give the more interested they become! Can they comprehend where this road leads? The rate of single mothers is skyrocketing for a reason. Decency is being bred out of men, through women's selective choice.
/r/MGTOW21/06/18 02:37 AM
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Do you think this goes to show that women need that social pressure/framework that's now a porous imitation of what it once was to restrain themselves? I know it sounds callous but the more I see women as children the easier it is to understand them. Men are told to "man up" but there isn't a female equivalent. If men don't want to carry a woman they are told to "grow up" but women aren't given the same chastisement.
/r/MGTOW21/06/18 02:14 AM
1

Wise. You can't change a rock without destroying it. Bending is breaking.
/r/MGTOW21/06/18 01:41 AM
1

Dang, I feel you. To me this sexual dance, even if it's just a one night stand, is still based on the same things that would have traditionally led to raising offspring (does he have status, means, etc). I'm not asking necessarily to get in bed with any of these women, it's more to get an insight into how they think. Whereas men can turn this on and off (men can take a lot more shit from women then women can take from men, think rejection) it's much more core to women -- how they value themselve…
/r/MGTOW21/06/18 01:38 AM
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They only care if you're still giving any of the other chicks "emotional" attention. They just don't want to get in trouble. Anytime guys have any problem with anything they try to make us having a problem the problem. Only way to maintain the pedestal delusion.
/r/MGTOW21/06/18 12:34 AM
1

Women shame each other into submission. Women shame betas into submission. Why wouldn't they think they can shame the world into submission? The idea of providing value for value is an entirely foreign concept to them. In order to survive back in the day they had to be able to manipulate a man they couldn't overpower to jeopardize his survival for hers -- at times even placing her survival over his own. The greatest and most successful parasite known to man. This expectation is innately tied to …
/r/MGTOW19/06/18 08:06 AM
3

It's sad that the response to being judged based on sex is...to judge someone based on their sex.
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 12:09 PM
5

One could make the argument that these underhanded methods are in direct response to men pulling back. Men want women to act more like women and feminists these days want women to act more like men and paradoxically enough have convinced women -- through their ingroup bias -- if they don't act more like men they aren't being true to themselves. But instead of taking a look at themselves and correcting the error of their ways they just get sneakier and sneakier. It's like having a negotiation whe…
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 06:26 AM
15

Since going red pill I can't read the Huffington Post anymore. They jump all over any successful man's fall from grace when they smell blood in the water, far from the sympathy and care supposedly core to every woman. I would even have more respect for them if they broke any of these stories but they seem to just wait to pile on. Just goes to show men should never bite, or even nibble, when they try to introduce an iota of doubt in your mind. It's just a precursor for them trying to tear you dow…
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 05:07 AM
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Yes they are racists and sexist but it's okay cause they're women. My father, a black man, is the most racist person I've ever meant but in his twisted, warped logic he thought he was "balancing the scales". Doing what you hate being done to you doesn't make you a revolutionary, it makes you a hypocrite.
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 04:48 AM
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You're right. In this article the female author largely evokes a "it's my body" argument when it comes to her man's body. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1251868/Of-course-women-dont-want-male-pill--end-happy-little-accidents.html "But are we women really crazy about handing over control of our fertility to men, even men we love and live with?" It's a group a decision. You're making it sound like this is all about you. And you probably honestly do. "Of course, there is the ‘would you t…
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 04:45 AM
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Every film with an all female cast should win every award or...sexism
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 03:39 AM
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Right women never need to correct their behavior. They can do whatever they want. It's men that need to adjust to them. Fuck you Dr. Phil. You would never say that shit to a woman.
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 12:31 AM
3

You made it too easy for her. Women like the chase and a sense of instability is crucial is you're gonna keep one around, sounds counterproductive but it's true. Guys don't like not knowing where they stand and women may say the same thing but what they say they want and what they actually want are two different things (or else guys would do what they say they want and every guy could have every chick - doesn't work out that way - simply put you can't trust them at their word cause their words a…
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 12:21 AM
3

It's precisely the type of double standard they want to do away with, but it's almost like sexual inequality is invisible to women unless it affects them negatively. Either you're for equality or you're not.
/r/MGTOW16/06/18 11:58 PM
1

At least she...got away with it? But she did it for love...of herself? No she did it for him. After all who know how good the relationship could have been had he left. Every man -- no matter how accomplished -- needs a woman, though no woman needs a man, apparently.
/r/MGTOW15/06/18 12:19 PM
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