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I can't imagine my younger sister being totally fine with my mother walking around the house naked. I guess some families just have different boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 01:47 PM
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There is a fundamental difference between the alpha male and beta male but as you say historically there hasn't been much change. Civilisation is built by beta males to protect their property (for most of history this includes women) from alpha males, who are naturally violent, subscribe to no social contract and take what they want. It's why we have laws and property rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 01:39 PM
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This is why there can never be an equal partnership. Individuals have their own lives and decisions to make. One must compromise for the other in the long run. If it's not amicable, the relationship disintegrates or the submissive one gradually accepts their position.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 01:29 PM
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They were probably loved unconditionally by their mothers and expect other close relationships with women to be similar in that regard. They might have also been taught by their mother to "find a nice girl who will love you for who you are". That's why TRP teaches you that nobody loves you for who you are, but for the value you provide and how you make people feel. Nobody except your mother will ever love you unconditionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 01:25 PM
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Women care deeply about their reputation. They only care about your opinion and approval to the degree that it might affect their reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 01:21 PM
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It's generally true that we judge others by their actions and ourselves by our intentions. We also tend to see more of ourselves in those we are most alike and as such are more willing to lend the benefit of the doubt in those instances.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 01:17 PM
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You don't seem to have made any kind of case for why men should be the ones to compensate women for these burdens, you simply state it to be so. To incur reparations would surely imply responsibility. Sure, pregnancy entails 50% responsibility for each party, but most of the other burdens are just the natural consequences of being a woman. It's nobody's fault that you were born with a vagina, so why should men or indeed anyone be forced to compensate you for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 01:04 PM
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When people talk about withholding sex they're not usually referring to times when one or the other partner just isn't in the mood for sex, or just needs some time in solitude and can't lend emotional support. It's referring to when each component, integral to the social contract of a monogamous relationship, is being used as reward/punishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 12:49 PM
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Now, real life throws all sorts of shit at you: illness, injury, babies who keep you up all night, old age, and so on. That's part of "for better or for worse, in sickness and in health," that you agreed to in front of half the people you know. You literally signed up for that. Vows don't mean shit. It's just part of the ritual. The institution is essentially now a lifestyle choice, there's no abstract significance to being married vs. LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 12:40 PM
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But at least you know you're attractive. People try to say that being attractive doesn't matter, maybe it shouldn't, but it absolutely empirically does.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 02:08 PM
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Surely it's all relative. Different individuals are used to a different frequency and intensity of intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 08:52 PM
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Statistically though, the longer you wait, the higher chance of your kid graduating high school and college, the lower risk of drug use, the lower risk of them engaging in crime or gang activity, ect Correlation. Those outcomes depend far more on the material and psychological circumstances of the parent than their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 08:49 PM
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You seem to be in the minority opinion, so shouldn't that provoke introspection of your own views?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 08:39 PM
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So what is he supposed to talk about? His interests? What he does with his life? He has no interests or pursuits that are remotely attractive or even socially acceptable. Again, I call bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 09:59 PM
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But that's not being himself, is it? He doesn't want to do other things with his life, and he doesn't like exercise. Are you saying he has to change himself?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 03:14 PM
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I don't hate them, I just have no sympathy for them. Any of them (except if they were raped or something, a negligible proportion). They are where they are because of the decisions they made. They let a guy cum inside them and decided to keep the kid. Why should anyone else aside from the father have to support that decision?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 08:45 AM
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And no. 2 also applies to a majority of men I agree, and I disagree with TRP's common theme of pedestaiising men as more honourable. Those two principles could quite easily be overlayed onto all human relationships. You're not friends with anyone out of charity, you're friends with someone because you get something out of the relationship and you're willing to overlook most of their flaws as long as that continues. As soon as the friendship becomes a drain, you start to distance yourself, even i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 10:53 AM
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AWALT doesn't mean all women behave similarly. It means two things that each have various implications for a man's behaviour/performance. 1) As a man, you must perform to a certain standard. Who you are as a person does not matter i.e. she doesn't love the fact that you're kind or funny, and she wont dislike you for being a lousy piece of shit. She loves what you do for her, how you make her feel, moment to moment. If you drop below a certain level of performance, she will leave you. The level i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/16 08:23 AM
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The studio took a big risk that men would go and see it (who didn't read the book). It helped that it was an action movie. The same premise couldn't be done with older (40+) women, because old women are pudgy, slow and weak. There are a bunch of action movies with female leads, but they're young and athletic because it's practically and aesthetically more believable. I can see Scarlett Johansson jumping about kicking ass, but not Meryl Streep. There were a ton of them, not only on reddit. Only 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 07:03 AM
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And those movies only got made because the books were successful first. So...there was a demand for them? It wasn't because of brave feminist ideals that Hunger Games was made, it was because the studios took the risk with their tens/hundreds of millions with some confidence that they'd make their money back. I was very obviously referring to all the men online whining for months that the movie aborted their childhood and shouldn't have women in it. Most people in the real world don't spend time…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 05:35 AM
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Capitalism is not idealistic, it doesn't care about your identity. It cares about who will buy their product. Hollywood is very good at selling their product and, as your post suggests, they're careful to construct their movies as such. If the demand for more old women in movies grows such that it will make more money, then older women will appear in more movies. It was successful, but not as successful as it could have been without all the thumbsucking baby men who refused to go see it because …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 12:14 PM
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Not the former, but many would agree with the latter. Most see it as extremely humiliating and submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 03:22 PM
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I'm saying it's not difficult to get a good read of people in a 1v1 conversation in a very short amount of time. Go on a date with a guy, if he's a shitty person then it shoudn't be hard to figure it out and next him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 02:11 PM
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I can't think of a single person that has ever surprised me or defied my expectations once I've had 10 minutes alone with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 01:54 PM
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Having a penis doesn't make you a man. 'Man' is a culturally-defined term. If the culture says you're not a man, then it doesn't really matter how you feel about that, you don't control the meaning of words.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 01:43 PM
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the society and elements of culture intentionally or not normalize it. Soften what it means to be raped. Attempt to belittle the experience of rape victims. Look to push off the blame on them, rather than focusing on the people who do the deed and finding ways to encourage them not to. I don't know man, I must live in a different society here in the UK. Rape accusations can ruin a man's life. Rapists are basically worse than murderers to many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 01:37 PM
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Is there anything a Red could do in your estimation that would be "correct"? They'd prefer that you just keep to yourself, and wouldn't mind if you committed suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 08:13 AM
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I did include that caveat in my final sentence, did you finish reading before that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 08:06 AM
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Is she incapable of communicating her desires to a casual partner? If the man refuses to listen, next him and find someone else. She's given up because she can't be bothered. That'd be fine if she wasn't then going on say how frustrated she is, blaming men as a gender and placing full responsibility for female sexual satisfaction on men. People who moan without taking action infuriate me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 05:25 PM
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Most of them are idiots, yes. There are a smart minority who take full responsibility for their sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 05:13 PM
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I'm sorry but people who moan about the opposite sex for their own dissatisfaction are fucking idiots. OP post is one of the dumbest things I've read in a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 05:00 PM
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Chads and alphas are selfish people who don't give a fuck about what women want. More at 11. Go find a beta nice guy, they'll eat you out, listen to your instructions and cuddle afterwards. No? Didn't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 04:10 PM
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The blame lies at the feet of both sluts and deadbeat dads. Why is it that the left blames men but the right blames women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 04:05 PM
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You joke, but legalisation, state regulation and destigmatisation (is that a word?) of prostitution would eat a chunk out of this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 04:01 PM
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Generalisation: Women are better at coping with emotional trauma and suffering than men. Men either find a way to solve the problem, or they'll find ways to avoid the problem altogether through various forms of escapism. This is partly because nobody gives a shit about mens' problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 03:56 PM
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This thread is basically a manifestation of the Halo effect. People genuinely believe that attractive people are just inherently better, more pleasant people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 07:54 AM
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I'm tired of saying this again and again but "natural alphas" are not nice people. They behave exactly as they please and don't give a shit about consequence. To care about social consequence is itself a beta trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 07:50 AM
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Feminists are generally the ones who fit most neatly into gender roles in a sexual context. People who are more evangelical about their ideologies are the ones carrying a lot of guilt around.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 08:05 AM
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A lot of these people cannot be helped by simple mantras or even a massive attitude shift. Even if they're not on the spectrum, a strong tendency for abstract thinking coupled with no self-esteem makes navigating a situation with a woman an absolute minefield. Even if you don't project desperation or neediness you will project confusion and timidity. When is it appropriate to start flirting? What even constitutes flirting? How soon do I start physical contact? What about a kiss? How the fuck do …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 08:49 AM
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that sub is what you get when you take a society and tell everyone "your value is defined by your sex life" cause then people that arent in relationships assume that they're broken. Why is it that liberals consistently jump on society? Maybe it's just a perfectly natural reaction to being completely starved of intimacy? If they're virgins in their 20s then they've gone a decade or more since becoming sexually aware that they've gone without the intimacy that their body craves. Imagine going a de…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 08:34 AM
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I should lose my children if I leave my husband when he begins to regularly beat the shit out of me and I become some Hedda Nussbaum to his Joel Steninberg? That's physical abuse, which is 'fault'.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:33 AM
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I am getting it. You bring up the smartest guy on the planet who happens to also be disabled. What about the rest of the normal people who end up paralysed and can't provide value to anyone? What if the people in their life don't connect or bond out of taking care of them? They're not providing value. In and of itself this isn't a harmful proposition, but when you bring this ideology into political policy and apply a hard utilitarian approach to the running of a nation, you're left wondering wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 10:23 PM
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Being valued as a "Human Being" is a term which has no real definition or merit. It's some cliche invented by modern society as a shamming tactic. And also because your ideology is only a hop, skip and jump away from euthanising disabled people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 07:19 PM
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So it is ultimately transactional? Do you think if he would not be entitled to alimony in a no-fault divorce, he wouldn't have bothered making those sacrifices? By the way, housework is really easy. He's not having a hard time, the downside about maintaining a house is the boredom after you've got everything done in 1-2 hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 05:51 PM
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5) That women on the whole aren't worried about prostitutes or sexbots as a threat to their place in society or with men in their lives. Yep. The men who will use those things aren't getting laid anyway. Why would women give a shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 04:36 PM
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Got 10 out 18. Even taking your advice about the pedo smirk I was mostly just guessing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 04:22 PM
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Being happy living with someone involves compromise on both ends. It's not rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 04:16 PM
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He now enjoys the fun stuff that goes along with the success I've found. So he's reaping the rewards of his work now, and you believe he should continue to do so after he has ceased to do that work? If I make sacrifices for my job that will never be officially remunerated, and I later quit that job, should I be entitled to further salary? There are always opportunity costs in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 03:59 PM
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So she can divorce me. I'd be happy to set up joint custody, I would never deprive a parent of their children, but she isn't getting a penny from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 10:40 AM
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Enjoy keeping your vows while you live in a house with a woman who hates you and is only staying to be near her kids. I'm guessing dead bedroom too. If for argument's sake my wife, the woman I'd vowed to be with for the rest of my life, began to hate me, I'd do everything in my power to change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 10:25 AM
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so you'd stay in an unhappy marriage? I'd never stop working to make things right. Because that's what I vowed to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 10:22 AM
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Don't get married if you don't want to. I wont. But you're kidding yourself if you think staying married to someone who hates you is a fun time. Did I say that? If you hate your partner, by all means get divorced. But don't expect any rewards for breaking a contract that was supposed to be permanent, that you made vows to never break. I'm someone who takes vows extremely seriously, and would never break them out of mere unhappiness. I know, integrity is just a fusty old word these days, but that…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 07:17 AM
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So men are just fucked? That's your answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 06:59 AM
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I think the figure is over 60% of American women are overweight. The average woman weighs 166lbs. I guess it depends what kind of 'average' you're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 06:39 AM
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She'll be very popular in the indie/hipster crowds.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 06:39 AM
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The problem with having no sexual experience is that the difficulty compounds with increasing age. As you get older, more and more women expect you to be at a certain level of skill and comfort with women, not at the same sexual maturity as most guys were 10 years younger than you (14/15). That knowledge increases the anxiety, which itself increases the longer you go without female contact. It's a vicious cycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 06:36 AM
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There should be no pay-off for a no-fault divorce. If you're choosing to end a marriage because you've fallen out of love, there is no alimony, and the person who breaks the contract loses the kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 06:30 AM
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and this may be because of my relative ease of access to women in my life. Stopped reading. "I was born rich, but I just want to offer my expert advice to the poor...."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 06:28 AM
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But once you dig deeper, connect and they are still boring it's just sad. Most people just want an easy life and would love nothing more to be on permanent vacation their entire lives and die having done nothing. The interesting people to me are the ones who strive to do difficult things just for the sake of doing them, to whom money is a distant second.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 07:25 PM
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Yep. Some people are so out of touch they might as well be living on fucking Mars.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 07:13 PM
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Answering a question with a completely unrelated question. Interesting approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 08:24 AM
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Lacking moral integrity, little to no regard for the well-being of others or even enjoys belittling and humiliating others.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 02:42 PM
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This is true. Males and females have contradictory biological directives, fundamentally in conflict. Males want to mate with as many healthy females as possible, whilst females want to secure the DNA and physical protection of males of the highest possible value. A long-term relationship means that the male has abandoned his biological directive and submitted to the female one. It's a fundamentally gynocentric arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 08:59 PM
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height comes up in conversation between people all the time; I think the only time I've ever discussed my height with anyone was with grandparents who remarked how much I'd grown every time I saw them as an adolescent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 08:42 PM
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That's highly unlikely to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 08:37 PM
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A lot of rich guys are scumbags as well and they clean up the high value girls before good-looking guys. Again, having more flexible moral scruples allows you to climb higher in the business world, so it's not the scumbag factor in isolation that's making them more attractive, it's what being a scumbag entails indirectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 08:35 PM
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Getting a reliably clean prostitute probably isn't cheap. There's also potential for legal trouble depending on where you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 05:45 PM
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It will also cause a crisis when the gigantic elderly boomer population needs to be supported by a tiny 20-50 year old generation. The only thing that can redress it is mass immigration (much more than we have now), but we'll also have to deal with the culture conflicts and indeed physical violence that inevitably erupts from such a thing. Either way, as you say millennial liberalism will simply be outnumbered and suffocated.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 03:28 PM
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It'll be different for different people. From personal experience, all the scumbags I've known over the years have been more sexually successful on average than the truly decent men I've known. Decency and integrity are not part of SMV. They are unrelated to sexual attractiveness. Scumbags tend to be more confident (attractive), but being a scumbag does not make you less sexually attractive, so scumbags will be more successful on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 03:19 PM
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life is boring if it's not dramatic enough Are you being serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 09:55 AM
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It'd become emotionally draining to deal with someone who has a breakdown whenever you do something without them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 09:52 AM
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If it is a sign of poor impulse control so would be driving your bike, car or even taking the bus. I wouldn't be so unreasonable to say that one should avoid all forms of road transport to not display poor impulse control. But when you have a choice between motorcycles and all the rest, and you pick a motorcycle, then you definitely have poor impulse control.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 09:47 AM
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"If you think riding a motorcycle is the meaning of life, then you're an even bigger idiot than I first thought".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 09:45 AM
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Given the well known dangers and huge potential and common bad consequences (death, comas, massive head trauma), do men who ride motorcycles display "poor impulse control"? My answer is yes. People who ride motorcycles are irresponsible at best, idiots at worst. Whatever sensation they get from riding motorcycles overrides rational decision-making. Every time they mount the bike they're displaying poor impulse control. Same for people who are fat and/or unfit, smokers, excessive drinkers etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 10:21 PM
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It would appear to me then, that traditional social structures did indeed recognize these things and tried to control for them. Even speaking as a liberal, it's clear that traditional social structures were intelligent mechanisms. In most cases they can only be disagreed with on moral principle, where one might value individual freedom over the common good. The older I get the more I realise how fundamentally and innately flawed humanity is. The tabula rasa underpinning liberal thought seems inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 10:06 PM
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Buddhism is not theist.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 09:59 PM
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Men and women coexisted because of religion and strong societal rules. It was not a naturl development. No, it was actually a completely natural development. Men and women needed to coexist in tribes to survive and reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 09:58 PM
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From an evolutionary perspective it's probably advantageous for an individual man's survival and successful reproduction to be wary of potential competitors. This wouldn't be the case for women, her consent is not required in a State of Nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 09:46 PM
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Not better, but certainly more equipped for survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 09:33 PM
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Yeah, many of the social observations I see made around here boil down to class conflict and a lack of empathy on both ends. I really think this is the basis of much liberal thought. Upper/middle-class Feminist men look around them and see other men leading relatively happy successful lives in safe neighborhoods while the women in their life have to make decisions that balance a well-paying and fulfilling career with children. Of course they'd see women as disadvantaged. They don't see the worki…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 09:28 PM
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Why the fuck am I giving advice to my daughter about her sex life?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 09:05 PM
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Apparently feminism in 2016 largely involves being gullible enough to buy wholesale into an almost entirely manufactured "controversy" and then to go out and spend your money on vacuous nothingness. Shitbrained. That's what all principled movements become: commodities.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 09:01 PM
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The reason people take issue with it is that these so-called 'legacy' characters will always live in the shadow of the originals. It feels forced and looks transparent as tokenism. As another reply says, they'd be much better served by creating badass original minority characters, like back in the day with Black Panther, Luke Cage and Blade.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 08:59 PM
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Driving less might well make you more cautious on the road, you're less experienced and so less confident/arrogant, and perhaps not as frustrated by constant driving.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:33 AM
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But he def got his teeth fixed. His old teeth/mouth grossed me out. This is the only thing preventing my face from being, without wishing to brag, 9/10 range handsome. My mouth was a fucking trainwreck as a kid and I had braces but I was a moron and didn't wear my retainer enough so my teeth kinda went back off-kilter just enough to be noticeable to anyone who pays attention. The worst thing is that it makes me self-conscious about my smile. I physically prevent myself from naturally expressing …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 07:53 PM
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Boggles the mind really. It seems to be blowing a lot of people's minds that this could be the future of gaming....going outside and 'pursuing quests' like an MMORPG in the world. Isn't that kinda what real life is? You go out into the world, interact with NPCs and try to do fun stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 08:51 AM
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I don't tend to let people get close enough to know about my romantic life or lack thereof, but if I ever did over an extended period they might be inclined to wonder why I don't have a visible sex life of any description, straight or gay. I spent last year at college living in a house with basically strangers. Even they began to ask why I'm never with anyone in a romantic capacity, they never see me with girls. They probably just assume I'm gay, and I'm fine with that, I just change the subject…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 10:52 PM
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Holding a moral position is still a conscious choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 07:43 PM
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If there are no obvious physical defects, they are seen as potential rapists, creeps, or even pedophiles. This often impairs social and career opportunities, as people often tend to think the worst when they find that a guy is 30 years old and has no romantic experience at all. It hurts. It is a stigma that has no name. This is something I'm actually afraid of in the future. I'm actually above average in physique and looks, but I'm asexual and a virgin at 22. I don't want sex. I don't want relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 07:34 PM
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It really depends on the crime and my sense of their motivations. Murderers, paedos and rapists can go rot in jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 10:49 PM
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I know what you're saying, but there are a number of men, not just people on the spectrum, who didn't grow up particularly well-socialised and never picked up the intuition needed to 'do' those things. Even if you watch a lot social situations and try to absorb the difference between childish and mature humour, you're still left with coming up with mature humour and some people just aren't funny or witty. Most of those quiet but pleasant guys you see at social gatherings know the difference, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 07:11 PM
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But the fact of the guy being popular makes it more enjoyable than if the guy was unpopular, all else being equal (like sexual prowess). It means more, it's more validating and ego-boosting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 06:43 PM
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For a lot of women, sex with a high status man is an end in itself. There are various ancillary benefits, like possible commitment of resources, and elevation of her own social value.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 06:32 PM
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"Stop being poor, stop thinking about how to make more money and just go make more money"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 06:24 PM
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His popularity gets hey nothing. Validation. The 'he could have anybody but he chose me' tingles.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 06:10 PM
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Isn't a spouse basically an investment partner? In the modern day I suppose it is, I guess that's part of the reason why half of them get divorces.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 03:39 PM
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But often I think its a case of women wanting men with a similar level of education and intelligence to converse with. If you're using someone's job or even standard of education as an indicator of their intelligence and capacity for interesting conversation you're seriously misguided. My dad's a taxi driver with minimal education and he's far better than most college-educated people I know when it comes to intelligent conversation. would you want a long term relationship with an uneducated pink…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 03:09 PM
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The experience of life is different, but not in terms of standard of living and opportunity. Any differences therein can be explained by class.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 09:01 AM
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In terms of oppression in the Western world, gender is perhaps the least important factor of identity to the point of being negligible. Class and race are of far greater significance in terms of privilege and oppression, followed by sexuality. The difference between being born rich or poor, or white/black (often the same as being rich/poor) are many orders of magnitude greater than the difference between being born man or woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 07:57 AM
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A similar thing applies in Family Guy with Brian. What I like about Family Guy is that Brian is pretty explicitly portrayed as an obnoxious hack in many episodes, he's nowhere near as smart, self-aware and insightful as he thinks he is. He's one of the finest depictions of progressive left I've seen in mainstream media.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 07:04 PM
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Granted it's usually in the 'think pieces' as opposed to news, but over the years I've seen some shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 03:51 PM
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So basically a variant of No True Scotsman? Misandrist garbage gets published all the time by mainstream sources. It's not controversial or damaging to a female writer's reputation to shit all over white men. You quite simply cannot compare a reddit sub like TRP to publications like Salon, Jezebel etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 07:19 AM
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OP was talking about the guys in his life as if it speaks for others as well. Most guys are not getting laid regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 12:52 PM
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Depends what you mean by trying. They don't go out trying to get laid, but if the situation presents itself they'll go for it. They're not incel, if they started dedicating part of their lives to getting laid they would be successful, like any beta guy. I don't think many of them care that much as they're more for LTRs, the point is unless a beta puts in significant effort they wont get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 12:21 PM
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Sex sells. Sexually attractive traits in men tend to correlate well with functional physical fitness. A muscular physique indicates strength which is useful for a character in an action-based videogame or movie. This is not the case for women. Large breasts, thin waist, wide hips do not correlate with functional physical fitness or provide assistance in combat. Large breasts just get in the way. The best example of this came up when the images of the upcoming Wonder Woman movie came out. The Ama…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 09:06 AM
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No. Beta is the average. Average looks, average personality, average income, average number of sexual partners, etc. Alpha is the top 10%. The people you're most likely referring to are the Omegas, the bottom of the barrel
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 08:51 AM
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I think a lot of people are very powerfully affected by narrative, particularly bored middle-class people who spend a lot of time absorbing various media in their spare time. It's never one single book or idea, but a cumulative affect of seeing/reading stories of other people's lives, edited down to the interesting bits. People get the idea of their life having a particular trajectory, propelled by narrative forces. A lot of people, consciously or otherwise, essentially see their lives as a stor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 08:34 AM
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Chubby chasers who are just afraid to admit it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 08:25 AM
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But most guys I know are having sex regularly. Most guys I know are certainly not. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if at least half the guys I know haven't had sex this calendar year. Almost all of them are decent-looking pleasant enough guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 08:18 AM
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A lot of fat chicks, especially in their 20s, have pretty high standards and will not fuck ugly manlets. I'm not an incel, but honestly I can imagine what it's like. They'd probably get free sex if they scoured the depths of the internets (craigslist?) for local hookups but depending on where you're looking it might be really fucking sketchy and even if I was super desperate I would be legit scared of meeting up with a girl and later waking up in a dumpster with a kidney missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 07:44 PM
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for instance on ships, in prisons, and in boarding schools Yeh dude, how much of that is totally consensual? The concept of rape culture comes from prisons. I actually remember reading a theory about why paedophilia is so common among the political/financial/social elites in the UK and how it's related to rampant sexual abuse in boarding schools.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 07:38 PM
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Can you imagine if I said to a lesbian who is unhappy with her love life that all she needs is some good dick? Yeh, it's really not the solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 07:34 PM
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HIIT. I find it much more fun and more time-efficient than lifting. I do 30 minutes of cardio per week, but by the end of that 30 minutes I'm sweating buckets and blowing out my arse. I don't need any more than that, but not doing it would be doing my body's health and fitness a disservice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 07:29 PM
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But wouldn't it be convenient if someone loved you and could move shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 07:22 PM
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Because they are easier targets than men. It's only logical that women will feel safer around a trusted male companion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 07:20 PM
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Most people don't have a fucking clue about fitness and weight training. They see hot guys and think they were shat out their mother's womb like that. People in general have an aversion to considering all the hard work that goes into success. They prefer the Hollywood montage and the effortless James Bond approach, not a proper diet and exercise regime over many months/years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 10:05 PM
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Relationships don't have goals but most people do. Scenario: My career is extremely important to me and I just got a promotion that means we have to move. But she really likes it here, doesn't want to leave her family and friends etc. Suddenly we're at an impasse. The dominant one in the relationship will get their way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 08:21 AM
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Also death threats. It's not really uncommon to receive one or two after pwning some 12 year old noob. Women point to death threats they've received from the gaming community looking for sympathy and guys just shrug and say 'yeah, I got like 12 last week'. If you're not receiving semi-regular death threats when gaming, you're probably just not good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 12:33 PM
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You can make the exact same argument about taxes. Something tells me that left-wingers are less likely to be in support of an economic free market than a sexual free market. "Fuck society, I got mine" is a very right-libertarian frame of mind. The question is why the fuck should we sacrifice ourselves for society? What is "society"? If you're not working for yourself, who are you working for? Religion? Nationalism? The elites? It's not about making sacrifice for society, it's about making sacrif…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 07:07 AM
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This is part and parcel of insecurity. I haven't been abused, but I've been very overweight and thus invisible before (I am male). When I lost weight and got in shape I suddenly existed, and I ended up resenting people who suddenly started treating me like a human or a romantic pursuit. From my perspective I didn't become a different person when I lost weight, so this newfound attention only reinforced my conviction that who I am as a person is worthless, that ultimately I am worthless beyond my…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 02:16 PM
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Because the diet industry is a fraud designed to demotivate you until you fail. Who said you need to subscribe to an industry in order to lose weight? Burn more calories than you consume. There, that's the big secret free of charge.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 02:05 PM
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Yep. I experienced the exact same thing when I lost weight and got into shape. Both genders treat fit, attractive people with more respect and humanity than unfit and unattractive people. We are still just intelligent apes and act on base animal instincts.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/16 10:04 AM
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I don't understand why there are so many young guys who suffer from social anxiety. What the fuck is even that? Feelings of inadequacy, crippling self-consciousness. Tbh if you don't even know what social anxiety is, how can you possibly begin to understand the problems it causes. Don't they grow up with other people? Yes. They were probably bullied and made to feel worthless by many of those people. Knowing your own self-worth is about having your confidence built by the people around you when …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/16 08:02 AM
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"Why don't you just work hard so that you stop being poor?"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 11:49 PM
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The guy has admitted that he's socially retarded. He's also a computer science and math major. I guarantee that he's simply viewed the social climate as an insurmountable system with mutable and ill-defined rules and protocols and looked for advice from role models or approved left/liberal sources online and seen the phrase "just treat her like a person", with no further qualifier because you're supposed to 'just get it'. His analytical mind says "what the hell does that mean? I already think of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 11:42 PM
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It humanises the guy and in doing so disarms the hot girl. Hot girls tend to be mildly antagonistic towards strangers who approach them, understandably so because it happens all the time. She's always on a pedestal because guys put her there by saying things like "that's a nice dress" and ending it at that. This line removes her from the pedestal and puts her on a more even footing with the guy. It's not about the guy elevating himself above the girl, or pulling the girl below him, it's about ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 01:32 PM
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Primal masculinity hearkens back to our animal roots. The alpha male ape does not consider the feelings of others, he violently and aggressively gets his own way until he is challenged, defeated and replaced by a stronger male. Civilisation was essentially developed by intelligent betas to protect them and theirs from alpha males, hence laws and property rights. Civilisation is beta, threatened by the barbarians at the gates led by alpha males like Attila and Genghis Khan.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 01:14 PM
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I maintain that being Beta is neutral rather than necessarily bad. Sure. Beta essentially means average. They will have an average body/looks, average income, average number of sexual partners, they'll probably get married to an average woman, etc. It's the omega that is the foreveralone kissless virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 01:10 PM
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That's probably the cocaine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 01:08 PM
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The answers to your questions really come down to what we subjectively find meaning in. I have respect for anyone who has unshakeable boundaries and an abstract sense of dignity and principle that exists independently of social approval. It is perfectly feasible to come to this position through deep introspection and independent thought, not just inherited. Far from being beta doormats who suffer to make ungrateful people happy, those who think like this tend to be considered selfish exclusionar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 01:01 PM
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Almost every Muslim-majority country enforces fundamentalist Islam by law. The best examples of 'moderate' Muslim-majority countries are the likes of Turkey and Indonesia, which are still very conservative by Western religious standards. That's before we take into account the Muslims who have emigrated elsewhere, or the huge numbers in India, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 11:48 AM
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When almost exclusively men get visibly angry and abusive when they are rejected, we don't get to call that anything other THAN toxic masculinity. This is because it's almost exclusively men who get rejected. Have you ever rejected a woman? It's not as visible, but it's not pretty and you have to be very careful and tactful if you don't want to lose friends and have your reputation irreparably damaged. Or they'll just call you gay, and engage in what you call 'toxic masculinity' themselves. Most…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 11:35 AM
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Purely anecdotal, I've found that I struggle to find common interests with people in general despite being heavily interested in literature (part of my degree, no less), music, film/TV shows and other media as well as sports, politics and philosophy. I can shoot the shit with women (and men) on any number of these topics but I am very introverted and feigning interest in superficial details of the above topics can be exhausting. I've only ever encountered a similar interest in the textual/formal…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 11:23 AM
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Yeh, Hollywood depicts intelligent, high-functioning sociopaths who succeed in mimicking human emotion and outward signs of empathy. As with the rest of humanity, intelligent high-functioning individuals are by definition a small minority of the group.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 06:02 PM
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....if she doesn't want it, then by definition it wont work and there's nothing to worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 05:56 PM
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The best advice regarding women is to ask yourself, would you want the women in your life (Mother, Grandmother, Sisters, Daughters, Wife) treated like that? Would you want them treated like dumb children useful only for their sex organs by some TRPer? I wouldn't want it for them, but what if they were happy with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 07:15 AM
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And I don't think five years doing boring tedious gym stuff is worth it if you aren't going to get any significant pay off by the end. I would agree with criticism of guys who just lift for size and do no cardio, but building muscle is very important for an holistic approach to fitness. If you don't see fitness/health as a meaningful pursuit in and of itself then of course you will never see the value in working out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 03:19 PM
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Overall we're living in the safest period of time in human history (for the average person). That is because the West (mostly America) holds military hegemony over the planet and has done since the first colonial empires. Our comfortable Western lives are a direct result of power that has been violently asserted for centuries, at the expense of entire cultures and races.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 03:12 PM
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A sort of ego trip for masochistic pussies. This line absolutely nailed it with regards to this dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 03:06 PM
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I'm not one of those people who thinks consent can only be given verbally. If you're actively engaging in the sex act and have freedom to leave and have not been threatened or coerced, then you're giving consent. That threat and coercion must also be real and not imagined, you can't just cite paranoia and a general feeling of being intimated by the physical stature of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 10:31 PM
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But guess what? If I lock myself up, threw away the keys, and had someone stare at me, I would STILL view it as a harmful experience. There isn't an inconsistency. My idea of the opposite of my scenario is to voluntarily spend time with someone, and have the freedom to leave the room whenever you please. Again, consent and freedom is the key difference. What you're doing is simulating your own imprisonment, perhaps more analogous to acting out a rape fantasy, a fetish which I happen to think is …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 07:48 PM
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If someone kidnaps you and keeps you in a room indefinitely, but he never harms you and keeps you well-fed...he just really likes watching you and having you there, do you think he has committed a serious crime? There's nothing outwardly harmful about denying agency, privacy and thus humanity. It has serious psychological effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 04:59 PM
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Nobody's saying that rape necessarily incurs physical 'damage'. The only necessary difference between rape and not-rape is consent, everything else is your own projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 11:43 AM
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There's a difference between consensual sex and non-consensual sex. It's like saying we don't arrest UFC fighters so we shouldn't arrest people who commit assault in the street.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 09:04 AM
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This is probably fair. At the end of the day we're still just intelligent monkeys. Any man would be lying if they said it wasn't a greater than zero factor in their decision to lift. Personally as an asexual the bulk of my motivation to lift lies in an holistic approach to fitness and, to be perfectly honest, a purely egotistical vanity (I won't be using my body to attract women, but it nevertheless boosts my ego to know that I will be considered more conventionally attractive). I also would jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 08:31 AM
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Definitely a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 08:22 AM
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No. This is how you make yourself too valuable and irreplaceable to promote. Management will just continue upping your workload and will not volunteer raises or promotions. Stay on pleasant terms with co-workers and don't do more than is expected of you. Lay low for a while and focus on developing ideas and projects that make/save money for the company and pitch to upper management/corporate, or your next employer when you jump ship as it's becoming increasingly the case that the best way to mov…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 08:17 AM
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I've heard plenty of funny rape jokes. I bet you've laughed at some in your lifetime. Are you a Louis CK fan?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 08:08 AM
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The wet willy lasts a second and doesn't dehumanise you or deprive you of your bodily autonomy. A rape is a subversion of the most intimate thing you can do with another person. It's the denial of the victim's autonomy as a human being, and a fundamentally dehumanising act.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 08:06 AM
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Women are more respected and treated more as equals than they were 30 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 08:01 AM
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Yep. At the end of the day, discourse is a waste of time in the context of rape, because the opposite side of the debate will never engage. Rapists don't give a shit. The idea that rape isn't taken seriously by society is also spurious at best. The recent Brock Turner thing has blown up on social media, so while a feminist can point to an individual judge, the rest of us can look around and realise that in general people hate rapists and even being accused of rape can be enough to permanently de…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 07:58 AM
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Firstly, I'm not giving advice. Secondly, I say in the very next sentence that if women were so desperate for a 'connection' they'd overcome social stigma like slut shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 07:45 AM
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From that comic which you say summarises your views; "the areas where men and women differ strongly tend to not matter much in the modern world." This surely flies in the face of your own identity as a trans person. The differences between men and women surely matter a lot to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 02:39 PM
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To drive this example to an extreme, theoretically, rape could be sexual strategy. Of course, the legal consequences make all the difference. Not just theoretically, but historically it most certainly was a sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 02:28 PM
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One more thing that opened my eyes to the disingenuous nature of a lot of leftist moralising (I specify 'a lot', I consider myself liberal) is whenever I see discussions surrounding paternity fraud. The number of people who justify a woman lying about the paternity of their child to a partner is absolutely horrifying. Many of those people would be decidedly anti-RP for reasons they truly believe to be moral but are actually fundamentally selfish and originate in a fem-centric worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 02:09 PM
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Make up, et. al, are part of normal dating routines. Ah, but what's normal is not necessarily moral.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 02:02 PM
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there were women desperate for someone who actually connects with them, without treating them like a goddess, a fleshlight, or an evil hive mind If women were so desperate for that they'd go out and aggressively approach and pursue men in search of that connection. That desperation would surely outweigh any social stigma attached to women approaching men. I think it's more "they would like someone who connects with them, as long as they're also physically attractive and can entertain them, but i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 01:56 PM
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To me, "involuntary" would mean against one's own will - like someone who would be celibate because of some medical or psychological condition that may affect their ability to have sex. Well yeh, there are plenty of people who are hideously ugly and/or have crippling social anxieties and inadequacies that will never have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 01:50 PM
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The SMP in this context is a metaphor for sexual dynamics that don't include actual financial transactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 01:39 PM
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"people can be born the wrong sex" Wrong in what sense? Their brain is supposedly 'innately' the opposite of their biological sex determined by gentalia, i.e. innately female or innately male, thus there is a fundamental connection between gender and sex and that female and male brains are physically different. Gender is a performance but it is derived inextricably from sex, it's not just an assortment of cultural aesthetics and trivialities.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 01:28 PM
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Evolution is not teleological.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 08:40 AM
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Don't transgender people actually provide some evidence for the innate nature of gender? I can understand the body dysmorphia, a MtF will want breasts, wide hips and a vagina to combat that, but why the desire to wear women's clothes, makeup, jewellery etc.? Trans people will suffer so much physically, socially and emotionally all to conform to mere social constructs. Maybe there is something innate there?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 08:33 AM
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The point is, it's by no means the primary motivation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 09:13 PM
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How can you not consider that a status thing. The drive is ultimately rooted in biology though. The status comes afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 08:51 PM
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When I think about what I would expect in romantic relationship dynamics I tend to compare it to the other relationships in my life (as an asexual I've never been in a romantic one but can imagine what it's like, my parents are still together for example). For instance, would I tolerate one of my friends nagging me about something? What if they started mocking and insulting me, and they really meant it? Would I tolerate them raising their voice in anger towards me? How would I feel if one of my …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 08:22 AM
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I think it pretty much means virtuous, morally/ethically good etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 03:57 PM
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That it's a waste of time. You can adequately teach the concept of consent in under 5 minutes, it's mind-numbingly simple. The rest is just about raising a decent person.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 03:50 PM
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In my experience, women only throw out regular shit tests at guys who have a conscious awareness of shit tests, because they are most reactive to them. I've never seen women shit test as much as they did to the PUAs I know. A lot of shoddy PUAs give off a real phony vibe. Shit tests are a socially acceptable and cunning way of weeding out the bullshitters.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 03:10 PM
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If you meet an awesome girl who seems stable, caring, stimulating and who blows your mind, her n-count would stop you? Even if she actively demonstrated that she bucked the trend? You're basically asking me what I'd do if unicorns existed. I have no idea how to answer that hypothetical because I can only predict my own behaviour based on previous experience of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 12:31 PM
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Lifelong monogamy really is a fool's errand.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 10:40 AM
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Probably. I think in general people should be very selective about who they choose to enter into a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 10:40 PM
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Whatever the reason, it doesn't change the fact that you're taking an unnecessary risk if you want a LTR with a promiscuous woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 10:31 PM
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But being nice is the barest of minimums when it comes to dating someone. Being nice is unrelated to sexual success. It's not part of the equation. Plenty of people behave like scumbags towards women but are sexually successful. Those other things you listed earlier in the paragraph are useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 05:00 PM
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Just like eccentric and artsy hipster women want eccentric and artsy hipster guys There's a fine line between "eccentric" and "creepy loser". It usually correlates remarkably well with physical attractiveness. I know this because I'm "eccentric and artsy" but I keep in shape and I'm physically attractive. I used to be fat though, and people thought I was just a creepy loser and did not find my personality or behaviour in any way endearing or even tolerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 04:51 PM
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This lonely old man myth is incredible. I know that as an asexual my experience and input isn't really applicable to the vast majority, but my romantic idea of old age is to have peace and quiet and nobody bothering me, a nice little house to myself out in the country. Just spending my mornings pottering about in the garden, afternoons reading or listening to music, winding down my life in tranquil bliss. Nowhere in that vision is there room for a nagging old woman. A woman who grew up in my gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 04:40 PM
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When I think of a definition of a movement/ideology (feminism can be categorised as both), I look to the prominent activists and academics. There will be plenty of people who have never read a single piece of literature, never heard of any leading thinkers, and never even begun to critically evaluate the activism of real-world feminism, and yet will blindly subscribe to the meme that "if you believe in equality then you are a feminist". You might get a lot of 'No True Scotsman' resistance from p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 09:41 AM
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I'm asexual. TRP has helped me navigate social situations with the women I encounter in life. Women interact with reality on fundamentally different premises than men, and understanding this has significantly improved my ability to maintain pleasant platonic terms with women. Considering that my major is in a majority-women subject this has been particularly useful in the last couple of years of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 09:31 AM
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Disclaimer: I'm asexual, I do not seek or desire sexual encounters with anyone. I'm also someone who does not like to be touched without permission or strong familiarity. If you're a stranger and you invade my personal space I will not react well. I immediately categorise men and women who do this as overbearing and presumptuous and I will avoid you. I observe the same respect for the personal space for others as I hold for my own. I would however be lying if I said that rape hysteria hasn't mad…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 09:18 AM
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Tinder is for hook-ups. People who use tinder for meaningful relationships are idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 09:09 AM
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What about women who don't meet male standards on how a woman should be? What about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 09:03 AM
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If you've ever been to Bangkok or other major Thai cities, prostitutes will regularly proposition you in clubs/bars. A man would need a firm moral conviction against prostitution to avoid temptation there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 08:37 AM
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It depends on their status and wealth. Using prostitutes, or rather 'escorts', is ubiquitous among wealthy and famous bachelors. The important factor is that if they could be bothered, they could get sex free, but in a cost/benefit calculation they dont feel it worthy of their time and effort. Low status men who can't get sex without prostitutes are viewed as pathetic and disgusting. Not because they use prostitutes, but because they cannot get sex for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 08:31 AM
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Sexual partners? Don't be ugly or fat (a little overweight is okay, but there are limits on an individual basis as some carry weight better than others). Be pleasant company. You don't have to be particularly funny or intelligent, just nice and non-judgmental, a relaxing presence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 09:34 PM
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Not if they're going to withhold sex for too long. Aint nobody got time for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 05:14 PM
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I'm talking about the women in OP. They're virgins because they want their first time to be 'special' (i.e. with a high-value man who has committed to them for a given period of time without sex). Ironically, this desire will put off the vast majority of the kind of high-value men they're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 04:27 PM
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I'd be surprised if any of them got laid at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:52 PM
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Nah, everyone makes fun of them by calling them crazy cat ladies or spinsters or whatever. I only hear things like that about women who are visibly older, like around menopause age when they stop making an effort. A successful but lonely career woman in her 30s is mocked by TRP and other social conservatives but the mainstream public narrative is that she's a strong independent woman who has been failed by the low standards in quality of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:53 PM
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This is why attempting political discourse is a bad idea in places like this and most of reddit. Very few people actually know the history and theory of politics. I admit I haven't studied much of it, but just enough to know when someone's talking shit and when someone actually knows what they're talking about. The vast majority aren't remotely politically literate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:47 PM
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It's also obtuse to ignore the double standard in treatment of those two different types of loneliness. Incel men are roundly mocked by society as losers, whereas a lonely woman in her mid-30s is a tragedy and men really ought to check their ageism and misogyny, 'man up' and commit emotion, time and resources to her. Men who refuse to do so are also mocked as insecure, with 'fear of commitment'.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:27 PM
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TRP doesn't pretend that it invented the concept of hygiene. You're being too obvious for a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:22 PM
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In the modern world, high value men will not wait around deep into a long-term relationship to have sex. They're pricing themselves out of the market by choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:15 PM
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they've got to lose some weight, take a shower and put on their best clothes if they want to get laid. Here's your first mistake: assuming that men who are not sexually successful are fat, smelly and scruffy. Another Just World fallacy thread from clueless BPers. Next.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:11 PM
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Consider how affirmative consent would effectively strip a man of any sexual agency if rigorously enforced. Yeh, affirmative consent laws are a good counterargument, and they run contrary to a generally sex-positive narrative from the left. People who support things like that are actually extremely puritan and conservative in ideology and would fit right in Victorian high society. Horseshoe theory and all that. The rich only hoard money offshore because if they didn't, they'd get the shit taxed …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 06:56 AM
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This topic gets me thinking about the ideology behind the SMP as compared to that of the actual economic marketplace, along gendered lines. It seems that feminism argues for as free a market as possible when it comes to sexuality, but typically as a left-leaning movement/ideology it will argue for the opposite in the economic marketplace. I'm not necessarily saying that this is a contradiction or an instance of cognitive dissonance, but obviously the RP view would be that women want to claim and…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 10:19 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 09:52 PM
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It's not a real problem Would you say the same about a dude walking into a ladies bathroom?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 09:47 PM
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Black people are still discriminated against by law enforcement and the courts. Women are not. Gender discrimination is trivial in Western civilisation. It is however a major problem in less-developed countries (most of the world).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 08:11 AM
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Oftentimes change only requires the discipline to get started. I was borderline obese as a teenager, incredibly lazy by nature, but one day I just decided "fuck this" and started going to the gym. Many years later, I'm now at a point where I can't imagine going a week without some form of intense exercise or lifting, I'd just feel lazy and gross, my mind and body would be willing me to get moving even if it's just to sprint down the road outside my house. Now of course dating is different from e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 07:56 AM
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Most rape claims in general are said to be false today. Innocent until proven guilty is the foundation of a civilised society. Any accusation of any crime should be scrutinised as if it was false.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 03:17 PM
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Want to work and put your kids in day care, you are a horrible mother. I personally think that one parent should stay at home until the child starts school. I wouldn't discriminate on gender in that regard, I'd be a stay at home dad. If you can't afford to raise a baby on a single income, don't have one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 03:12 PM
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If I surprise a nerd in the locker room and ask him for his lunch money he will give it to me even though he could theoretically walk away or tell me to fuck off. The analogy doesn't work because the entire premise of this scenario is fundamentally confrontational and sinister, and both parties know this. There's no innocent or benevolent reason that a guy would go up to a stranger and ask for all his lunch money. On a date, the premise of the encounter includes the possibility of consensual sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 01:53 PM
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Actually, you've pretty much just proved my point in that men have a tendency overestimate their own attractiveness as well as that of other men. Are you saying that those guys are below average?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 12:49 PM
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So you say "I'm leaving now", and you walk out the door and never look back. What's the alternative? Stay and have sex you don't want or leave. If he forces you to stay he's committing a crime, but according to you if she chooses to stay and have sex he's committing a crime anyway. You're removing 100% of the woman's agency here. You're essentially arguing that in a scenario where a man and a woman are alone together, the man is in 100% control of the situation (and his intentions are assumed to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 12:11 PM
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It's not against her will. If she had good reason to feel threatened then that's different, but if you just keep asking for something and they eventually say yes, then they've consented. When a child (or a childish adult) throws a tantrum and gets what they want in the end, they haven't forced their parent to do anything against their will. The parent has consented and rewarded their behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 11:49 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 10:07 AM
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I don't anyone would go to court over something as trivial as a beer you got pressured into drinking. I think you know I wasn't talking about that. Same as like most of those LMR rapes are something that they regret without going to court. Not all the time though. There are plenty of cases of college administration kicking guys out because of ONS regret.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 10:02 AM
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Maybe it's a cultural thing, or an age thing. I don't know anyone who wouldn't feel some sexual tension or awkwardness drinking alone with a woman at their house (or vice versa for women), unless they were flatmates or had known eachother for many years.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 10:01 AM
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I'm not just talking about myself here. I'd be surprised if my friends (all basically normal, average people) don't feel the same. Those beta friends you describe would most likely be very much open to the possibility of sex in this scenario. A question: If you were in a committed relationship, would you be okay with your partner drinking at night alone with a member of the opposite sex? What if you found out that they did it without your knowledge?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 09:35 AM
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In a court, surely the latter is the relevant piece of information? If not, then the law is an ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 09:32 AM
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The analogy fails because math operates on sound logic. Humans do not. Every single one is different and reacts differently to various stimuli. There is also risk and social consequences involved in social scenarios, whereas if you fail at a math problem you can just try again. I'll repost my reply from elsewhere in the thread: Without wishing to brag, I'm kinda one of the people that is the topic of this thread. I spent my freshman year of college going out and socialising as much possible, put…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 09:30 AM
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I think it's not so much discomfort with people as it is lack of experience with people, and lack of putting oneself out there with people on a regular basis. Although I would say that increased exposure only works up to a point (perhaps a certain age) with some people. Without wishing to brag, I'm kinda one of the people that is the topic of this thread. I spent my freshman year of college going out and socialising as much possible, putting myself out there even when I really didn't feel like g…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 09:27 AM
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Let's say your male coworker comes to your house and you both start to drink. I wouldn't drink with a woman at her house with nobody else around unless I was at least open to the possibility of sexual escalation. You're being naive if you think there's no sexual tension from one or the other party in a scenario like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 09:12 AM
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Doesn't change the fact that I feel forced But you weren't forced.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 09:10 AM
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Straight men have thought about fucking every female they've ever met except children/adolescents and really old people, even if we're not really attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 09:08 AM
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They are not always the biggest and the strongest of any group, but they always have the biggest group of supporters who they lead (and who will fight for them). You're not grasping what I'm saying. Iv'e already given an example of a huge formidable fighter who is also a beta male in Klitschko. Pablo Escobar was never a big guy, but he was utterly ruthless and fearless. People followed him because of fear and respect far more than money. A guy whose only ability to gain followers and sexual part…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 07:52 AM
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Nope. The whole idea of alpha/beta doesn't really belong in a discourse of civilised society because it's rooted in pre-agriculture. If you find that you have to compromise and sacrifice to get what you want, you're not an alpha. That means working hard in a subordinate position at a job you don't want to do, developing 'game' to convince women to consent to sex, all the way down to respecting property rights and bodily autonomy of others, it's all behaviour designed to 'fit in' to your respecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 11:10 PM
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Okay... by Alpha I meant the top 20% in terms of SMV. Fair enough. I'm just outlining the false dichotomy at play in the manosphere. What you're actually asking is "what would a man considered desirable in 21st century Western culture do in these situations?"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 08:13 PM
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Fair enough. Just know that to a lot of men, sex is extremely important. Just like emotional intimacy is important to a lot of women. Neither can choose what they desire most from the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 08:11 PM
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As I said in the recent thread about the supposed alpha lawyers, the manosphere has a false view of alpha/beta. It's highly unlikely that an alpha male ever makes it to college unless he's on a sport scholarship. The classroom is a terrible environment for his development, he most likely has a long history of antisocial behaviour and poor performance. In these scenarios, the alpha male has absolutely zero fear of escalation to violence, regardless of consequences. If anything, he rather enjoys v…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 08:04 PM
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If someone asked for relationship advice would say "why do you want a relationship? why is that so important?"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 07:40 PM
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Which is daft since there are plenty of women who have fought for women's equality and health who aren't in academia. You only talk to academics or people online rather than deal with people in real life. Which is what the problem is. I also said activists. Did you not read my post? The rest of your response seems to be based on this single point, so there's nothing more to say really.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 09:28 PM
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Civilisation is built on the backs of exploited lower class males. In return for that exploitation, he is generally promised some reward to keep him docile and obedient (not unlike a pet dog), hopefully ensuring that the plebs don't storm the palace and cut the nobility's heads off. Nowadays men can be kept docile and obedient through substitutes such as porn and videogames. Men won't bother cutting your head off as long as they get their bread and circus, but they're also no longer incentivised…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 08:50 PM
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Women are equal to men. That's all feminism is. If we're to accept that the only real authorities on feminism as a movement and ideology are found in academia and activism (real activism, not retweets), then the experts on the matter would mostly disagree with you. Feminism is vastly more nuanced than this. I've only done limited study in feminist theory and it didn't take long to realise it. What you're saying might have been broadly true 30 years ago but it just isn't anymore. In order to posi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 08:30 PM
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Why would you even want to be like that It doesn't matter. I think this really comes down to nature, you've either got the constitution for it or you haven't. Best case scenario for these guys is that their aggression is channeled into the military. EDIT - Just came to mind, if you know anything about boxing, someone like Tyson Fury is an example of an alpha male who has been lucky enough to find an outlet. He has no respect for others, fighting is all he has. The Klitchkos on the other hand, de…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 04:26 PM
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/u/Atlas_B_Shruggin can explain this better than me, but betas with high status don't equal alphas. Alpha males are the born warriors, the barbarians who've pillaged and raped throughout history. Understanding social dynamics to get what they want is unnecessary when they can kill you with their bare hands and rape your woman. Nowadays they tend to end up in prison because civilisation is the antithesis of the natural order. Rule of law is designed to protect your life and property from the bigg…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 10:05 AM
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Well, this is where we get into the difference between ideology and movement. Feminism has the same problem, except feminists are allowed to get away with the No True Scotsman fallacy (those misandrists are not 'real' feminists!). The same cannot be said for Mens Rights, where 'real' MRAs are misogynist by default and the burden of proof is on them to prove they're not misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 08:18 PM
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Interesting language you're using. "reformed", "evolved out of". I'm guessing your publication has a generally negative view of men's rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 08:04 PM
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My whole point is that plenty of assholes do not become social pariahs. You seem a little naive on this point, that nice people have friends and nasty people don't. This is just demonstrably false. One of the biggest anuses in the world has an outside chance of becoming President of the United States ffs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 08:01 PM
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No, of course not. I'm arguing that success in all areas life has no connection to being kind or being an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 05:33 PM
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For men, status and wealth makes you more popular with both sexes, people gravitate towards success.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 05:29 PM
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree there. Capitalist society directly encourages and rewards sociopathic behaviour and penalises kindness and altruism.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 04:28 PM
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But it's ludicrous to suggest that if you're attracted to someone you they should then be immune to criticism. If you see a woman who is really physically attractive, but she turns out to be a bit of an airhead, is it wrong to acknowledge that she's not very bright? You can acknowledge it, but I don't think she should be shamed for it. She can't help her lack of intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 04:19 PM
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Just World Fallacy. Plenty of horrible people enjoy great, happy lives with plenty of friends and sexual abundance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 04:03 PM
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One could perhaps say that the whole point of TRP is to rebel against the gynocentric ethics of the SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 09:20 AM
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I'm saying that you don't just have to learn through experience. There's a common self-help mantra these days that mistakes are good because you learn from them. I'd say it's preferable to avoid mistakes and let others be the guinea pigs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 06:37 AM
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Obviously that's not what I'm saying. I think you know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 10:27 PM
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What's the difference between nude modelling for a feminist artist and nude modelling for playboy? Both are a cheap commoditisation of the body.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 10:21 PM
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I went through some shit and figured it out like everyone else. Smart people learn from the mistakes of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/16 10:14 PM
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Are you seriously saying that the best thing to do is to not improve yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 07:00 AM
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Yep. In fact a lot of very rich and busy bachelors will regularly use escorts/higher-end prostitutes and it's just like paying a cleaner or a maid. The reason there's no shame involved, however, is because we all know they could get sex and relationships if they could be bothered to sacrifice the necessary time, effort and money (dates still cost money). It's a simple economic decision of risk/reward, loss/gain, not an act of desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 06:50 AM
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Might I venture to say that the men you describe are mentally ill? Falling in love with an inanimate object is batshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 10:48 PM
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Yeh I think the forseeable future wont really offer much in terms of immersive experience to radically change society or even the SMP. If in the long-term, however, we can produce fully-immersive virtual reality that is practically indistinguishable from the real thing and get it cheap enough to be mass-produced and sold...that might have major impacts on general productivity and socialisation, not just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 10:46 PM
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Well yeah, but you seemed to be disagreeing with OP, who was saying that kindness, warmth and emotional openness are just "icing on the cake". It seems that you actually agree? The icing is always important, but the cake is more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 06:24 PM
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The more confident you are in your ability to bounce back from (and be forgiven for) expressions of vulnerability, the less of a turn-off that vulnerability becomes. Yep. Essentially it comes down to "do you have your shit together?"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 06:10 PM
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Plenty of things can be very important to someone in potential partners, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they find those traits attractive in isolation. Usually, when women say they want guys to be nice, kind, fun/funny etc. those traits have to appear in addition to what they find attractive in a primal way, not instead of.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 06:03 PM
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Maybe it IS just YOUR college bar scene. Does make me wonder what it could be about the nightlife in my area that produces unfaithful sluts out of the woodwork. You have to remember that a lot of TRP are college-age. Thats why the advice is to avoid LTR because you just can't expect fidelity from girls in college (or guys for that matter). A lot of the older TRP guys though will still aim for girls in their early 20s, so the point stands. And then you imagine you're high value as a result. It's …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 05:31 PM
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People should be extremely selective about LTRs. Sex on the first date at best indicates a personality type and/or lifestyle incompatible with my own, at worst it indicates impulsiveness and poor judgment in general. I wouldn't do it, and it'd discourage me from pursuing further dates unless they're ok with no strings attached sex (well, they'd already fucked me without knowing anything about me, so why not?).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 12:46 PM
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Would you do the same to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 10:09 AM
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innocuously going out to dance with friends Oh you sweet summer child. Maybe it's just my college bar scene but the number of times I've been aggressively hit on by girls who I later found out had boyfriends is shocking. I'm a fit and good-looking guy but I'm asexual so I don't take advantage of it. Some supposedly 'taken' girls are worryingly easy, you don't even have to approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 10:07 AM
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But there's one exception to this: the college educated. Well-educated men are fairly reliable; they have good earning power; they generally aren't abusive; and they've been willing—slowly but steadily—to change their habits and help out with kids and housework. For college-educated women, then, marriage is a relatively good deal. For everyone else, not so much. This is incredible. Is he for real?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/16 04:55 PM
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The problem is that answers can change over a number of years. Best bet is to not get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/16 04:49 PM
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Thats... silly? Of course it is. People are frequently irrational and dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 11:52 PM
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Why are we still pretending that anyone loves anyone else 'unconditionally' in a romantic relationship? People want to believe that there's somebody out there who will love and care for them no matter what. Especially for boys who had a loving mother, in a way they're hoping to find a woman who will be like them, in terms of that steadfast and unconditional love.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 10:40 PM
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Huh, TIL. Thanks for the information!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 09:54 PM
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I totally agree by the way, I was just relaying what I understand to be the definition of AWALT from what I've gleaned from the more intelligent and respected members of TRP. I'm quite misanthropic, I view men and women in equal light.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 09:27 PM
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Maybe the UK is different because my understanding of the word 'libertarian' has always been aligned with the American definition. Being both socially and economically-liberal doesn't really fit on a single left-right, horizontal line. Political orientation should really be a graph with an x and y axis.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 05:26 PM
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I think it comes down to what's considered "always". We know you don't literally mean every single person when you say AWALT, but what do you mean? 60%? 75%? AWALT is a heuristic that teaches that there is no unconditional love from women to men, that all women have a threshold and if you fall below it they will leave you. Each individual woman's criteria is different, but as a man your inherent humanity is never enough, you must provide value to be worth anything. None of this is particularly c…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 05:00 PM
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Never done pilates but I do yoga occasionally and it is a fucking hard workout. Anybody who says otherwise doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about. I'd also say that anyone who is seriously into working out above the age of 27-28 or so and doesn't have it in their repertoire/schedule then they're a fucking idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 12:21 AM
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Yep. You'll suffer withdrawal symptoms for a good week or more if you ever decide to cut or drastically reduce it from your diet.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 12:18 AM
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0...Don't pursue or particularly want any either. I'm 21, for some context.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 12:11 AM
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Louis CK is a liberal darling and he makes plenty of rape jokes that are fucking hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 12:10 AM
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You don't have to explain to me what gender roles are. Ultimately though, there is a difference between man and male, woman and female. Man and woman are socially-defined terms, so actually there are behaviours more closely associated with those terms than other behaviours. The meaning can change over time and across cultures, but at any given point in time, male A and male B are not equally 'manly'. It's just a simple point of fact, what significance those males choose to invest in that fact is…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 10:07 PM
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What percentage of 'violent incidents' are accounted for by mass shootings? I'm not saying 'toxic masculinity' as it is defined is non-existent, I'm saying that it's not as important as we're led to believe. And when you consider the ease of misunderstanding the term and its proliferation in liberal media in comparison to its feminine equivalent, it is a recipe for feelings of victimisation on the part of men and giving license for feminist misandry. I've seen a lot of people simply use the term…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 08:18 PM
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I'm skeptical that there is a significant number of incidents of violence where the cause is rooted in proving manliness or other gender expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 06:09 PM
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So they only apply when exhibited by their 'assigned' gender? I.e., when a woman is violent, is she exhibiting toxic masculinity, and vice versa for a timid man? The use of this kind of terminology seems counter-productive to me, if the goal is to decouple certain behaviours from their traditional gender roles. If aggressiveness is still always considered masculine even if we add the qualifier of 'toxic' in front of it, are we making any progress?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 05:55 PM
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The vast majority of relationships fail. Granted, the share of blame for this is shared by both men and women across the board, but statistically-speaking whatever romantic relationship one is in at any given time is very likely to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 05:42 PM
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Can't toxic masculinity be adequately described as 'stupidity' or at best 'delusion'? Why does the description have to be along gendered lines? Is self-destructive narcissism necessarily a quintessentially male attribute?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 05:30 PM
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it would be better to focus on freeing men from the obligation of being one particular way. This would entail the vast majority of women changing who they are attracted to. Men are reactive to their environment, except modern entertainment means that they don't have to choose between winning and losing. They can just refuse to play.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/16 01:04 PM
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All I know is I hope more celebs follow her lead and post naked selfies. The fact that such things are being evaluated in a serious sociocultural context is absolutely hilarious to me. These are just going into the wank-banks of horny guys across the world. Modern feminism, folks. This is what it's reduced to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/16 01:00 PM
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No. People are just getting fatter and this will accelerate in the coming years as more and more kids are overweight/obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 11:18 PM
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What is the purpose of the label if it doesn't seem to denote anything meaningful or impactful?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 10:58 AM
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Fair enough, but when the decision to commit even to low n-count women (indicating personality traits more compatible with my own, but as you say not necessarily proving them) is already extremely difficult and already requires significant emotional trust and thus vulnerability in the best case scenario, the woman in question must be pretty special in other areas to warrant even further consideration on top of all that. The risks are heightened, so the potential rewards must be even higher to ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 07:41 PM
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Obviously not in those terms, but a similar thought process goes through everyone's mind when they decline potential relationship partners. "x behaviour indicates y personality flaw, I can just go find someone else who does not display x behaviour".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 07:24 PM
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Just ignore them? You're an adult. Make your own dietary decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 07:22 PM
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The viewpoint that behaviour in one aspect of someone's life (such as their sex life) reflects on their behaviour and personality in general? I don't see how anyone could disagree. If they would, they're painfully naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 07:18 PM
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Sleeping with 100 people could mean a lack of self control, an unwillingness to commit, innability to connect with someone, These are the assumptions TRP makes and to be honest it's totally valid if you're playing a numbers game like TRP does. TRPers looking for casual hookups wont care but TRPers looking for a LTR who also have an abundance mentality can make a quick risk/reward calculation and say "there are plenty of compatible girls out there with a low N count, why would I risk the commitme…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 06:47 PM
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And if the victim tries to leave they are shamed and threatened. Threatened Aren't there already laws against threats of physical violence?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 02:07 PM
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There is a notion in modern feminism that an accusation of rape should be taken as evidence in and of itself, even if there is no supporting evidence or testimony i.e. a "he said, she said" scenario is automatically weighted in favour of what she said.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 02:00 PM
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Sure, but what cannot be denied (as it is by some TBPers) is that lifting (and working out in general) makes you more attractive than if you were not lifting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 01:55 PM
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I haven't singled out women, I agree that it's a society-wide issue. I don't think it's caused by men, I think it's just innate for the vast majority of people to value men by their outward accomplishments (of which sexual 'conquest' is one) rather than their integrity and virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 01:54 PM
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But there are plenty of us who aren't rich, aren't high in social status, and aren't conventionally attractive who managed to find people attracted to us anyways. There are people who aren't that smart or hard-working who have good careers. The Just World fallacy is a fallacy because it's a foolish line of argument. I'm not defending incels here, we're talking about the double standard and cognitive dissonance that occurs when people intellectually claim that a man's value is not correlated with…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 12:03 PM
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It's the fact that TBP says "you don't have to lift to be sexually attractive". What TBP doesn't understand is that the body type continuously chosen by women as the most attractive still requires a lot of hard work, and yes, lifting. A lot of men simply can't achieve that ripped low body-fat look with toned and defined muscle mass. You often hear from women and a lot of men who don't understand the human body that you can accidentally get too big from lifting heavy weights. There's just a gigan…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 11:56 AM
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the feminists mocking men who chose to be virgins/men who are genuinely trying to do the right thing, but aren't ready for a sexual relationship yet. What if they are ready but cannot attract women? What would a feminist say about those men? They'd say there's most likely something wrong with him in terms of personality and morality. No matter which perspective you take, sexual success and/or fulfillment (or lack thereof) has moral connotations to most people through the Just World fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 11:46 AM
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You're not refuting my point, you're just telling me all the different reasons a female virgin would choose not to have sex. The key term is choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 11:43 AM
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Whether that's true or not, it's not the case for women. Any female virgin is a virgin by choice. Even grotesque land whales will find plenty of thirsty guys with a fat fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 11:26 AM
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Men who are virgins in their 20s are virgins because they want to be virgins. There isn't really any way to prove it but this is just false. There are plenty of men out there that no woman would consent to have sex with unless there was payment involved, and those who have ethical reservations towards prostitution will remain virgins until their late 20s if (and only if) they have a well-paying job and can attract low-value women in exchange for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 06:16 PM
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when what they should be looking for is a loving relationship of mutual respect instead. Do you have any basis for this value judgment? Or is it just your personal opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 12:25 PM
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I have met many girls who were skinny and attractive and were still virgins in their mid 20s. Because they chose to be. You haven't refuted OP's point in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 11:38 AM
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I don't think you understand how different the life of a rich and famous bachelor is to the average joe. They look at prostitution in the way we look at eating at a restaurant. It's a service, nothing more nothing less. Desperation doesn't even come into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 12:54 PM
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but where I live being a virgin at even more than 25 is something that's not looked down upon. Woah. Where is that, may I ask? I'm in the UK btw, promiscuity is standard, I know of a few girls who were hitting double figures by age 15-16.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 01:45 PM
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See the now edited post.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 12:33 PM
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See that's why I can't empathize with nor respect him. He isn't even trying and waits until sex suddenly happens. Whose fucking business is it to anyone else? Why does he deserve to be ridiculed? He didn't volunteer the information of his sexual inactivity, he was asked and he naively assumed he could safely open up to his friends. I could maybe understand if he was asking advice and rejecting what people offer, but he doesn't. He just exists as a virgin and is therefore fair game.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 11:22 AM
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Why the hell would anybody loudly announce their sexual behaviour to random people? When you were writing this post, did you ever stop and think that maybe you're taking what I said a bit literally? If your friends demand to know, then just lie. One of my friends is a 22-year old virgin. He naively assumed that he could tell the truth to his friends when they asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 11:16 AM
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Any examples? One of my friends is still a virgin at 22. He's the butt of many jokes in that regard. It's never openly hostile and nasty but I can see the toll it takes when we spend hours together on a night and he just doesn't get any respect whatsoever. He never blames anyone, he never talks about gender dynamics, he just says "well, it just hasn't happened yet". He's not a fake nice guy, he's just guilty of that fatal combination of unattractive face, out of shape and not very funny or chari…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 10:54 AM
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It seems to me from your posts in this thread that you entirely reject the concept of a social contract, or at least the necessity of one. Would that be accurate? Could you expand?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 06:15 PM
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That 18 year-old is scary. I wouldn't want to come across her down a dark alley, never mind have sex with her. The rest, give me a few whiskey shots and I'd close my eyes and think of England.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 11:14 PM
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Low value men will settle for whatever they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:22 PM
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I've never even heard of this before, that women think that their careers will help them attract men or whatever. Whenever you hear/see women complain about men being intimidated by strong women. That's what is happening. It's not stupidity, it's just how they've been brought up. Just like men who think that being nice and kind is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 02:23 PM
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Nope. I didn't do very well in my first A-level (UK 16-18 education) attempt so I took a year to fast-track an A-level and retook a couple of previous exams at a new college. This involved taking first-year classes with 16 year olds. I was only 18 going on 19, and I was shocked at how young everyone looked. Even the ones that were trying to present themselves as mature and 'sexy', just looked like children to me. There was a huge physical maturity gap between that and the second year classes of …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 02:13 PM
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If a woman is strong because she thinks it will attract a man Well yeh, but that's not necessarily the case. Most 'career women' are just living their lives however they want, more power to them. Even if it's not their primary or even secondary motivation, a lot of those women feel that their lifestyle has the added bonus of being attractive to men, when it is not. There is no point in complaining and shaming men for this, as attraction cannot be negotiated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 02:05 PM
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High testosterone could well cause one to have less sympathy for weakness and greater admiration for and identification with strength, leading one to a more rugged self-sufficiency brand of capitalist thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 08:38 AM
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Whenever a woman complains that men are "intimidated" by strong women, it's actually the hamster revealing its true colours: she expects her "strength" to be a sexually attractive trait, and is disappointed when it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 08:34 AM
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I think if a guy just wants casual sex, the nature of his relationships with women is really a secondary concern. Like you say though it's not really useful for committed relationships. Even TRP has begun to admit that you must display beta traits to maintain a relationship's comfort levels, and all the so-called RP advice in this context amounts to common self-improvement guidelines; hit the gym, maintain an independent and healthy social life, develop your career. Essentially, just develop a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 08:31 AM
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You do realise though that TBP and everyone else who mentions TRP throughout reddit actually increases TRP subscription, creating a kind of Streisand effect that works against your interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 05:44 PM
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Of course I have, but nothing nearly as hurtful and despicable as cheating. I've never been responsible for making someone cry, and I intend to keep it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 10:57 PM
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A good father is the rock of any relationship with the women in their life, be it with a wife or a daughter. It is imperative that she feels able to be open with you and trust that you won't lose your shit. I think a big component of lasting emotional and mental trauma is an inability to confront and externalise the incident, and as a man I believe I should be able to facilitate that process. If I cannot, then I have utterly failed. Beyond that, unless you've been professionally trained in deali…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 10:54 PM
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It probably is possible, but why would you decide to commit to a long term relationship with a slut when there are plenty of non-sluts around that can be compatible with you? A man with abundance mentality sees no reason to compromise on what he feels is important in a LTR candidate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 10:45 PM
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I don't consider cheating to be stupid. I consider it to be intentionally deceitful. It's not a mistake, it's a willful and conscious act of deception. It takes a while to fuck someone, and each passing moment is a decision in the affirmative. At best, the cheater doesn't give a fuck about the consequences of their actions. There is no innocence to be found in the act of cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 10:40 PM
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Having sex with someone is never a mistake or accident. Sex doesn't 'just happen', nobody ever slipped and fell on a penis/into a vagina and continued accidentally thrusting until one (or both) party reaches orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 10:12 PM
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A tiny minority of people in this world are lucky enough to live happy lives of intellectual and spiritual growth.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:32 PM
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I have honestly never been called a "special snowflake" or similar anywhere but on reddit. Have you ever been called or implied to be pretentious for having unusual tastes? It's the same deal, people do it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 09:51 AM
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Are you going to be some leathery necked old lizard in a Hawaian shirt and a straw panama getting blow jobs from street walkers in Bangkok? Or are you suddenly going to see the light and ‘settle down’? But won’t you have to move states if you want to do that after all your years of shitting on other people, putting their "feelings seventh instead of first or even second”? You've got a very vivid imagination and it's straining at the seams to shame the choices of someone you simply disagree with.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 06:15 PM
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This is a debate sub. I almost never visit TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 09:34 PM
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Dude, people are fucking train wrecks. All of them. If it's not rape, it's illness. If it's not illness, it's family issues. If it's not family issues, it's depression. Or career dissatisfaction. Probably why I stay away from them. Because, dude, you are missing out. Eh, I disagree, I enjoy my life more when there are less people in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 08:48 PM
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I wasn't suggesting that, I'm just highlighting the irony that the feminists of the 70s and 80s who were exceedingly Marxist have actually helped create a more self-centered capitalist sexual landscape.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 06:55 PM
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To think otherwise is surely incredibly myopic and shortsighted? It's like people who get married, they all think they've found the best man/woman in the world. They're invariably incorrect. There are billions of the opposite sex out there, it's not hard to find one that is stable and compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 10:12 AM
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It's also fine for me to find certain deal breakers, like the aforementioned rape victims, to be abhorrent and speaks to your lack of character. It's 'fine' but it's only a valid criticism if you can back it up. If you're someone who can attract women relatively easily, why would anyone choose to take on the emotional difficulties of a rape victim when they could find someone else? No individual woman is so uniquely special that it makes all that shit worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 10:04 AM
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I agree. By this token, the Marxist-Feminist is a contradiction doomed to failure, it cannot work in sexual dynamics. A feminist sexual marketplace is a ruthlessly free market with no recourse to address market failures (the frustrated guys who withdraw from society or go on a killing spree).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 09:50 AM
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He has to have the foundation of being physically attractive. The brooding angsty nerd has already been given a different name, the 'basement-dwelling neckbeard'. What women might be attracted to is the lone wolf, the sigma. But again, he needs the foundation of being the man who can get shit done, he can't be a fucking loser omega. Think Clint Eastwood's western characters, they don't need anyone, in fact they actively shun the rest of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 09:46 AM
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You may not consider guilt, fear, pressure from family or society, beliefs/religion, etc, to be capable of forcing someone to make a decision, but for a lot of people it comes to the same thing. If your family can physically force you or otherwise coerce you into a situation, then of course you can't be blamed. If it's a case of shaming or disappointment, then I'm sorry but you still make a choice if you succumb to that. Religious beliefs are also a choice. Abstinence has never worked the way it…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 04:42 PM
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Well yeh, this is where libertarians fail to account for actual humanity. We're not machines and don't operate rationally so the whole ideology is fundamentally flawed. Society wouldn't take long to fall apart. That still doesn't mean that the vast majority of single mothers aren't there because of their own decisions. The only ones who have been forced into it are those who cannot safely get abortions and those who cannot release their child for adoption for whatever reason (I'm unfamiliar with…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 04:13 PM
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I'd wager that over 90% of people who use reddit are under 40. Underage teenagers are obviously exempt from the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 03:46 PM
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I'll just say now that I do think single mothers should receive welfare if they cannot otherwise afford to feed, clothe and shelter their child. Again, only if you choose to ignore the complexity of the situation and try to make it a "right or wrong" scenario. Not necessarily. The libertarian is generally thinking less from a moral perspective and more from a Randian self-interest perspective. The thinking is that if you cannot afford to feed, clothe and shelter a child by your own means, then i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 03:43 PM
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If you're arguing from the position that single mothers should not receive welfare, then this line of argument is totally valid. You're welcome to your opinion, of course, but that's all it is. Thing is, all your responses amount to "abortions and adoptions are extremely difficult choices or tasks", not "no choice whatsoever is available". You haven't successfully argued your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 03:07 PM
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TRP is insidious in that is takes some evolutionary psychology propositions and postulates, and then use them as justification and validation for unacceptable behavior. Unacceptable in your opinion. TRP has a different opinion of acceptable behaviour than you do. This is just the tired old BP moral highground argument at play again.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 02:48 PM
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Nobody is saying "easy" or "simple". OP is simply taking a coldly rational approach, it doesn't mean he's incorrect in his analysis. The overwhelming majority of single mothers are that way because of their own decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 02:44 PM
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It seems to me like you're conflating "difficult choice" with "no choice".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 10:38 AM
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Women almost automatically receive custody of children after divorce for the simple fact of being a woman. I know that doesn't account for all cases, but probably most.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 10:35 AM
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We're talking about the dating scene relevant to people who use reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 10:32 AM
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I'd date them but I'd never raise someone else's child.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 08:01 AM
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I think the 87 woman was going for free meals tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 07:59 AM
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I think when discussing sexual habits, the only relevant age group is 18 up to 40 at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 07:54 AM
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It's definitely true. We make judgments about everyone the instant we see them, it's an instinctive survival mechanism. Everyone is the 'other'. The more different that 'other' is, the more our brain jumps to conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 07:50 AM
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I think if we're using your definitions of what a sexist society is, it sounds more like 'prejudiced'. Everyone is and always will be prejudiced to some degree and so it's part of being human forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 06:42 PM
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I think the idea of needing to curb or suppress emotion to have useful and intelligent discourse doesn't quite tell the whole story. Logical and rational thought can more appropriately be described as emergent from an equanimity and balance of the emotions, rather than a suppression thereof.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 10:16 AM
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I'm not saying there shouldn't be punishment for these cops, but lets not turn every little situation into a race war I think this is part of the problem. Tbf, I'm not American so gun violence is not really a pressing issue for me and I get most of my info from reddit, but every time some black kid gets shot by a cop it seems like they just get paid leave whilst internal affairs goes through the motions and the incident gets brushed under the carpet.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 10:04 AM
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They mostly study and fuck around with their phones. Exactly, just quietly going about their life. Expressions of empathy aren't supposed to be some big public outburst; just feeling bad when you see others suffering is an act of empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 09:55 AM
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So you're forming your opinion of male violence based on what makes it into the media. You don't pay attention to 99% of men in real life because they're just quietly going about their lives in the periphery.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 09:47 AM
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I see more men without empathy than men with it. Do you have a psychic ability to peer into the souls of every man you meet? You must be a troll. Nobody is this stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 09:39 AM
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My point is that the perception is false and probably linked more closely to an innate aversion to low-SMV males.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 08:37 PM
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Getting fucked in the ass is the ultimate act of submission.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 08:35 PM
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Because feminism has become meaningless in the Western world. What's the point in identifying as one? A Western woman has equal opportunity to their male counterparts in the same economic class (class and race are far more pertinent to inequality than gender). Any particular problems women face in the Western world are encounters with isolated misogyny, not that society-wide figment of the imagination they call 'The Patriarchy'.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 08:28 PM
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The 'problem' arises when those women judge their relationship partners by the same standards of masculinity as their sexual partners. TRP calls it the alpha widow.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 06:45 PM
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I'd agree with this. This is the only place I can think of dedicated to these kinds of discussions. Whilst the community as a whole might not be making "progress", my views certainly evolve over time thanks to this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 06:11 PM
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I do think it's a lot better than people make it out to be, but I rarely see views being changed. I can't remember a successful CMV thread for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 06:05 PM
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I'm sure there are a number sociopaths floating around that sub, but 90+% of them are just disillusioned young men who need some paternal guidance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 12:13 PM
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The vast majority. There's a huge difference between saying something nasty about women on the internet, and actually raping someone. Are you seriously agreeing with this lunatic, wombat? You're smarter than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 11:46 AM
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I'm talking about your average guy who doesn't rape primarily because of the external locus of control You don't really have a clue about the average guy then, do you? We have this thing called empathy, might want to try it some day.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 11:12 AM
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The American household owns an average of $7200 in credit card debt. This is absolutely staggering. Do you have a source for this? Average. $7200. Holy shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 10:44 AM
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There would probably be a negligible increase. The law and morality are not really a deterrent for rapists. They rape regardless of what society thinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 10:40 AM
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This whole issue is bizarre to me. I often hear men talk about how they have absolutely no fears walking around alone at night and this is some kind of male privilege. As someone who grew up near some really poor neighbourhoods this blows my fucking mind. It seems like all the men on the internet grew up in middle-class suburbia. I'm always on edge when I'm walking at night, keeping myself aware of my surroundings, unless I'm in a group of at least 4. If I'm alone, I keep a brisk pace, exaggerat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 09:25 AM
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There is no demographic for rapists. They don't have a particular appearance, or any correlation to certain features. You could walk past one on the street and you'd never notice. The vast majority of rapists are just family members or close friends of victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 09:16 AM
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You're doing exactly what OP was arguing against doing, trying to keep a scorecard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 09:13 PM
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I can read TRP as well as you can. Sure, but we obviously interpret it very differently. Where you see actual TRP men and not the wannabe fags who are basically omegas claiming to be MGTOW, they don't blame women for anything. They blame themselves and take responsibility for themselves and their happiness. TRP is fundamentally a selfish and ego-asserting ideology embracing the modern valueless world, if it lays blame anywhere it is on the feminist ideology for destroying conservative values but…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 04:32 PM
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I'm not suggesting doing nothing. If you disagree with someone's opinions and have the intention of persuading them to change, you have to demonstrate why they are wrong, preferably doing so by your own example. You seem to assume that there's some deep-set psychological dysfunction that would push men to TRP. More commonly it's just an incongruity between what they were brought up to believe and what they actually see in the adult world, usually resulting from a lack of paternal guidance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 03:47 PM
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I would do the same if my kid joined the KKK. I disagree that TRP is a hate group and so to me this is a false equivalence anyway, but I'll humour you and ask, do you honestly think an intervention would work in this case?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 03:05 PM
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TRP is a sexual strategy sub on the internet, not a fucking meth addiction. TRP does not make someone a danger to themselves or others. No one wants to be told they don't know what's good for themselves. But ultimately, that's how you begin solve the problem. Before you do any of that, you have to demonstrate a better alternative, or at the very least, why their current worldview is incorrect. If you just try to force people to change their opinions and beliefs for no other reason than feelies t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 02:07 PM
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Unless you're truly exceptionally interesting, I'll probably consider socialising with you to be a chore preferably avoided. I'm not all that interesting myself, so I'm a hypocrite who holds others to much higher standards than I hold myself to. I'm also asexual. So sex/romance/love isn't really a part of my life. Good luck with that shit, I'd probably be the most frustrating and impenetrable person you will ever date.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 10:49 AM
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Exactly, all this conversation says to me is that people were not designed to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 10:38 AM
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Unless I was a danger to myself or others, I would seriously resent my parents for staging some kind of intervention and sitting me in front of a psychologist. It would backfire big time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 10:32 AM
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I don't think you need to look any further than the explosion of the internet and places like reddit, twitter and tumblr occasionally bleeding into the mainstream. It's never been easier to find an echo chamber.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 07:07 PM
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And above average men work their entire fucking lives. It's hard to be above average, otherwise everyone would be doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 08:51 PM
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This discussion is just the epitome of First World Problems. People find it difficult to not eat too much. They really are condemned to a life of luxury and freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 08:49 PM
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To be honest, it has made me more comfortable with asexuality. I used to feel like there was something more to relationships than massaging needy fragile egos and satisfying sexual urges, that there was something wrong with me and that I was missing out on something special even if I wasn't really interested in sex. It also affirmed my view that you can't really trust anyone. You have to make a risk/reward calculation with all information you share about yourself with other people. Women in part…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 08:34 PM
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Fair enough. I totally agree tbh, I just thought there might've been some hypocrisy in your argument and I was mistaken :)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 04:58 PM
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Some guys really, truly, believe that if they're nice to a girl and do a bunch of favors that they didn't want to do in the first place, the girl owes them sex You're describing entitlement, feeling that you're owed something.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 04:07 PM
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I'm talking globally. Maybe there's some disproportionate focus on Kylo Ren. Maybe it's just because there's no need to write a fictional sex story about Driver's character because he's constantly having nasty degrading sex with Dunham's character. Their relationship closely resembles fanfic itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 03:56 PM
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That's probably not a bad ratio of people who have watched Girls compared to people who have watched the new Star Wars. Hundreds of millions of people will have watched it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 03:26 PM
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So you understand that expressing frustration is not necessarily entitlement?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 03:24 PM
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It seems pretty clear to me Kylo Ren inspires a lot more fanfiction - disproportionately more. The new Star Wars movie is one of the top few most popular movies ever made. I'm not surprised there is considerably more fanfic based on it than a Lena Dunham show.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 03:19 PM
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The problem is that when the guy is actually rejected, he gets angry. There's literally no reason to express anger. It comes across as trying to be manipulative, and guilt someone into bed. How do you suppose women behave when they don't get things they really want? Women are the masters of passive-aggressive behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 12:36 PM
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I fully believe there are women out there that know their choice in men is shitty, but "bad memories" turn them on. So whose responsibility is it to change behaviour?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 12:29 PM
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Everyone's parents have had sex....not all of them are on the internet, where classmates can look them up on their phone during class and show everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 08:02 AM
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recovering from drug abuse is very hard. In my opinion falling into drug abuse and addiction in the first place is an indication of serious character flaw and a major red flag. I recreationally use class A drugs on occasion, I smoke when I drink, but I'm not a fucking idiot so I don't get addicted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 08:00 AM
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I don't think being a naked model is what made her a bad mother - that would be the drugs, cheating and not being around. Do you not think there is at least correlation between the former and the latter? Being a supermodel is a walk of life awash with drugs and easy opportunities for casual sex. She would probably require above average willpower to avoid them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 07:55 AM
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Oh of course. Conservative traditions are usually based in a kind of wisdom; an acknowledgement that humanity is inherently flawed and our natural behaviour is not conducive to prosperous civilisation. Sure, there is a lot of hate and suspicion in there, but to dismiss millennia-long traditions out of hand is arrogant in the extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 09:52 AM
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The very reason such people flock to the internet is because their opinions wouldn't be taken seriously in real-life discourse. Universities are unfortunately starting to creep in that direction but even the examples that make the press are extreme outliers in the humanities departments.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 09:11 AM
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I study in a female-dominated field, if I didn't know how to talk to women I wouldn't have any friends. Tbf I don't have many, but alot of them are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 09:03 AM
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More experiences do not necessarily make someone more interesting. They have to have learned something, gained some insight and grown. Otherwise things just happened to them, and they've been damaged by it. Experience =/= depth of insight.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 08:46 AM
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The weird state marriage in the West is in now, is that we try to keep up the farce that traditional marriage is still alive. Yep. Marriage was specifically designed to curtail female sexuality. It is fundamentally incompatible with the post-sexual revolution world.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 08:41 AM
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Thing is, I'm absolutely not a RPer.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 08:28 AM
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aka Preselection. Women generally struggle to form their own independent beliefs and opinions and make decisions thereof; they rely on the approval of the group.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 09:15 PM
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With the RP women can never win. Correct. TRP is about leveraging the male sexual imperative, which is fundamentally at the expense of the female one. True love is unconditional and RP doesn't get that. Unconditional love doesn't exist. The idea that there's nothing a person could do to make you stop loving them is utterly absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 09:09 PM
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It's funny that for a movement that always talks about how strong and alpha you are, you can't handle any sort of problems. Why should they, when they can simply go find a more emotionally stable partner? Should people intentionally make their lives difficult just to prove how awesome they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 06:05 PM
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More "just be yourself" bullshit. Social skills are called skills for a reason, you can learn and improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 04:02 PM
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Self-gratification and virtue are not the same thing. I think they can sometimes be the same thing. Nobody does charity against their will, they do it because it makes them feel good to help others.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 08:12 AM
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If you're on a college campus, your academic future is in the administration's hands. They will kick you the fuck out based purely on her account.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:20 PM
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As an asexual I'm pretty much MGTOW by definition, but I just think it's a little weird to identify with a community that has "going their own way" in the title. Seems like a paradox to me. A guy who lives off the grid and is self-sustaining is truly going his own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 03:31 PM
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Anita Sarkeesian, frankly, is hot (especially with red lipstick) and a feminist. Nope. Doesn't do anything for me at all. I mean, I wouldn't say no, but that's not a good indication of a woman's attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 02:58 PM
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Respected and revered feminists have talked soberly about all sorts of disgusting shit about men. Do you want me to link you to a few Dworkin quotes? I'm not even RP, I don't frequent the sub, I just agree with many of its underlying principles and disagree with many feminist ones. If I was RP, your logic wouldn't sufficiently persuade me to rethink my position.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 09:56 PM
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I am saying that they don't build a construct of romantic ideals about the act of sex. This is the key really. Who was it that said you don't pay for the sex, you pay them to leave afterwards?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 07:42 PM
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Woah. Didn't expect this from you wombat!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 09:17 AM
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This argument sounds good at first glance but when I look at the products of the nuclear family, the baby boomers, and see how fucked up they are deep down...it makes me wonder.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 09:15 AM
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I'm a human, not some goddamn pill. If we're in a debate sub about, say, religion, and someone asked whether or not you're Christian, how would you respond?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 09:05 AM
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That's not how a culture influences young people. Do you even sociology?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 03:49 PM
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The marriage and dating scene is an absolute shitshow these days. I certainly don't look at what the average guy does and think "wow I should really get on that!"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 03:44 PM
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Like I said, give it 6 months of self-improvement. I'm not saying any single one of those things will do the trick, but just getting the fundamentals right must be priority. Your body is your vehicle in this reality, it's just common sense that it's better to be strong, fit and healthy than weak and unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 07:59 AM
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If I remember correctly you don't have a job or direction in life, don't work out, you probably don't have a great diet. If I'm speaking to someone who is feeling out of whack mentally or physically and they just can't seem to put their finger on why, my brain immediately jumps to these fundamentals and I feel like saying "grow the fuck up, get some structure and discipline to your life, start working out and eating well, then if you still cannot be at peace with yourself and your identity then …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 12:29 PM
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i would argue that women's sexuality is held to waaaay more scrutiny Agreed. This post is just silly. /r/feminism is a female hugbox/'safe space', of course they're going to complain about us monsters they begrudgingly share the world with. Male spaces are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 09:56 PM
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There will be individuals who subscribe to TRP who want to turn the ideology into a movement, but fundamentally the advice is about operating successfully within society as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 09:49 PM
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According to a lot of feminists it is. The fact that men prefer low n-count women is seen as patriarchal suppression of female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 06:06 PM
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SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 03:47 PM
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Every guy who is having regular casual sex with different women is in the top 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 08:49 AM
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Football is obviously Phil Neville's passion. He has clearly found a purpose in life that goes above and beyond sex. I really think that's a noble and admirable thing. The fact that he hasn't seen them is strange though, he probably has the money to get his family on a private plane to Valencia on weekends.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 08:46 AM
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What kind of place do you live in? I.e. major city to backwoods shithole in the Bible belt? Also, how often do you go to nightclubs/bars?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 08:39 AM
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When I talk about slut shaming, I'm talking about women not getting appropriate care after sexual assault. I'm talking about women not being educated/protected from HPV and therefore cervical cancer. I'm talking about 16 year old girls missing a day of school because their bare arms are distracting to boys. You never talked about any of this, was I supposed to read your mind? I could now simply announce that when I talk about virgin shaming I'm talking about young men checking out of society or …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 08:31 AM
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A lot of humans believe that we are special even if they aren't religious, perhaps as a hangover from the concept of man as the image of God.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 09:23 PM
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Every organic sack of flesh believes it's the most important thing in the universe I'm not sure I agree with this to be honest. It's probably broadly true but there are plenty of exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 09:19 PM
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By the same token, "I do not consider you to be relationship material because your sexual habits indicate erratic/impulsive behaviour, poor judgment and low self-esteem" is not "slut shaming".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 09:15 PM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 09:13 PM
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Don't see why not. She's not my employee, I'm not trying to whip her into shape and grow the business that is my life. I either want to share my life with her or I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 08:33 AM
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Of course, the halo effect is real. In all walks of life, people treat attractive people with more leniency and benefit of the doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 06:56 PM
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It's the illusion of accessibility, that she could've otherwise just been that cute girl at work, that makes so many guys crush over her. By comparison, Beyonce has a kind objective status as a Goddess-tier woman, she's so far out of reach in every capacity that the male brain won't trick itself into any emotional attachment thereof.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 06:51 PM
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Man here. Not in the slightest. As long as I can relate to the woman (personality-wise, and to a lesser extent intellectually) and she's pleasant to be around, she could be a waitress or a CEO. I couldn't care less.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 06:46 PM
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You're taking what I've said out of context. I never said I lived a hard frugal life. I explicitly said that I don't live frugally, my point was that I don't live a life of consumerist nonsense. How the fuck did you miss that part of my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 06:41 PM
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You can reduce your expenses by doing away with "consumerist noise" Believe me, I don't take part in it. I don't go out partying, I've never owned an Apple product, and I only ever get new clothes as gifts for christmas or birthday. I wouldn't say I live frugally but I never waste money. Relatively speaking, I have a direction and purpose in life that transcends my living conditions. To me a house is a place to sleep, store my shit and cook my food, I couldn't really care less what kind of accom…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 04:03 PM
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of course you can own a home. Unlikely. I'm trying to break into a dying industry (journalism), and my degree isn't particularly attractive elsewhere. I don't know what it's like in America, but in my country the banks, perhaps rightly, are very strict on who they're giving out mortgages to. House prices will only rise faster than my wages in the long run. It's not looking good. I'm not even whining about it, I'm 21 years old so the post-2008 economic climate is all I know. Home ownership is a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:42 PM
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How do you know you haven't just regressed rather than grown, being so dependent on another person?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:03 PM
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I think it's an existential crisis that goes deeper than economics. All the 'big ideas' have gone, we are paradoxically condemned to freedom, there is nothing to 'subscribe' to anymore except your mobile phone and the altar of social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 12:59 PM
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Really, the whole society is in crisis I totally agree. I feel like there's a class of people who are blissfully unaware of this general malaise that grips society nowadays. Humans don't react well to uncertainty. Previous generations were more confined in their life paths, but as long as they worked hard they could at least find some basic comforts, support a family and own a home. None of that exists for my generation (18-30 year olds). Our degrees have little to no value, I've already accepte…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 12:31 PM
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It's quite a commonly-accepted thing that women prefer taller given a choice between short/tall. It's not controversial to say that short men are genetically inferior, the vast majority of people would agree if they're not trying to spare feelies. I remember a statistic about the number of female profiles on dating sites that have a minimum height requirement, I forget the number but it fucking floored me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 07:44 AM
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Weigh it up against the potential cost of divorce. And children, depending on whether you want them or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 07:35 AM
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Trust me, you'll feel much better about yourself as a man when you're strong and fit compared to being a weak bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 10:29 PM
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You should be working out regardless of your opinion of the opposite sex. Everyone should be working out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 09:41 PM
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the only way to have a happy marriage or successful sexual strategy. I disagree. TRP plays the numbers game. It says "do these things to have the best chance at xyz".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 08:49 PM
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How are you defining beta? Feelings of inadequacy is a quintessential beta trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 08:36 PM
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Most men find distractions from their inadequacies. We're built to find ways of avoiding or circumventing emotional suffering. You only have to look at rates of depression and suicide among young men and the stereotypical midlife crisis to see that appearances can be deceiving. The modern human is not 'happy'.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:42 PM
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Women can go as long as they please without orgasm, their sexuality is reactive to stimuli. If I reach 4-5 days without orgasm, my testosterone is firing like a motherfucker, I can't focus on anything and I want to fight or fuck everything that moves. It's scary how animalistic it feels. Testosterone is an incredibly powerful substance, and unless you've experienced high levels of it as a male you really have no idea. It's like trying to explain a psychedelic experience to someone who's never ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:28 PM
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The only thing that you can get from marriage that you can't get from an escort, a therapist and close friends is good tax breaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:22 PM
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I think there's also a distinction to be made between 'fat' and 'overweight'.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:19 PM
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The UK government has bigger fish to fry than random men in their 20s debating socially unacceptable philosophies. Quote from /u/wub1234 People are investigated by the police very regularly now for simply saying things that might be considered a bit offensive. How do you respond?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 10:05 AM
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Feminist academics largely subscribe to the concept of 'The Personal is Political'. This disturbingly Orwellian notion denotes that all behaviour and action is inextricably influenced by society and its sociopolitical customs/norms, and in turn implies that if one intends to be an independent actor then one must contradict those norms. It's an aggressively progressive idea, and does not allow room for female submissiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 10:32 PM
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we've simply been given the intel, what we do with it is entirely up to us. Even if TBP is completely correct that the TPR is immoral, does that mean that the "intel" should be suppressed? Are there things about humanity that TBP believes that people just shouldn't be allowed to know?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 10:25 PM
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Sex sells. Guess who are the primary consumers driving that demand?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 07:21 PM
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I don't really see any benefit to avoiding improvement for the sake of some ideological aversion to game. I fundamentally prefer being strong and fit to being a weak bitch (having experienced both in my lifetime). That mindset comes before any consideration of the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 08:21 PM
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This is the same public that stands almost completely idley by while women are beaten, raped, and subjugated on a regular basis. Best not to take their word for it. Posts like this are why people don't like feminism. It's indistinguishable from a cult at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:59 AM
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But now in college I've met 5 other ace people so I feel less alone. We aren't broken. I've considered reaching out to my college's LGBT+ community but I don't even know if asexuality is part of all that shit. I don't really have any friendships where it'd be appropriate to divulge close personal information, and there's no real reason for me to tell my parents because there's really nothing for them to process unlike if I was gay and one day I suddenly had a boyfriend. It's a weird feeling of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:44 PM
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If you are an involuntary virgin then it indicates that you are fundamentally inadequate as a biological being. You do not have the looks and/or social skills to get sex, therefore you are categorically inferior, and perhaps even immoral to some degree. Whether these things are actually true or not is irrelevant, because that's how you are perceived anyway, rightly or wrongly. I'm 21 years old, as far as I can determine I am asexual and I am voluntarily celibate. I'm attractive, I work out, I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:09 PM
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act in a way that no woman ever would because it would be unsafe to do so bro, do you even tinder?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 08:51 PM
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Women have nothing to do with a guy's bad physique, terrible social skills, lame job, or lazy and unattractive habits. Whilst the blame does not necessarily lie at the feet of women as a gender, a significant proportion of disaffected young TRP subscribers were raised by single mothers. It's perhaps largely confirmation bias but these men have obviously identified a common denominator in their experience, and the lack of a father figure in their lives has undoubtedly had a devastating effect. Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 11:46 PM
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You know, when people reply with links to those subs, it usually says more about those people than OP. This is one of those times.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 11:37 PM
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Stop making it easier to make money by committing crime. Legalise drugs? I don't know what else to suggest. Pay for unskilled labour is never going to be good, thats just a fact of life. So black people need to get employable skills, but ghetto schools are shit. How to change that is anybody's guess because nobody else gives a fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 06:58 PM
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Most people get married And the chances of them surviving til death do they part are about as good as landing heads on a coin toss. Then there are all the people who are unhappily married and remain so for whatever reason. A minority of marriages are ultimately happy and successful. The rest is almost impossible to quantify but I see a pervading malaise in society about the state of the dating game and the influence of social media and the internet. Single people don't generally seem very happy …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 06:50 PM
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I think there's something strangely puritan about America that I notice as a Brit from the outside looking in. I see it running through various social strata and both sides of the political spectrum. All this hysteria about drunk sex being rape and how women are the victims or passive agents in almost any sexual scenario one can dream up. It all comes from old conservative religious ideas of sex being generally bad and wrong and that women couldn't possibly want it without strings attached. Acro…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 06:34 PM
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So now the excuse is "eww strangers". I guess nobody ever got together after meeting in a bar or some other public place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 06:13 PM
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And yet, I doubt he ever goes without sex for long.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 06:09 PM
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the vast, vast majority of men and women have relatively fulfilling romantic lives I was with you until this. I can't understand how anyone could possibly come to this conclusion. I'd wager that this can be empirically proven to be false by a considerable margin if everyone was completely honest with themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 05:55 PM
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Even in so-called "traditional" households, women made probably 50% of the decisions. In the domestic sphere, the vast majority of day-to-day decisions and things like decoration, furniture and layout of the house would be delegated to the housewife. This is why it was/is very common for men to enjoy leaving the house to pubs or other male-dominated social arenas, or having their own little fiefdom in the garage or their 'mancave'.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:11 PM
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To that I extent that I attribute fixed ideas and beliefs to feminism, I do so on the basis of the academic feminist theory that I have read (admittedly not as extensive as it could be, but extensive enough). This is where feminist academics put forward ideas and have them reviewed and critiqued by fellow feminist academics. Of course, unlike hard sciences, there is no real mandate or incentive for scientific rigour, and the research is usually of a qualitative rather than quantitative nature (w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 08:34 AM
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Women wrongly assume that if you're nice that you will get what you want out of life because in many cases when they are nice they get what they want out of life. This depends entirely on how physically attractive they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 08:22 AM
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I wouldn't think that a promiscuous woman is necessarily immoral, bad or wrong. I would definitely say that she is disqualified as a potential relationship partner because it indicates personality flaws (e.g. impulsiveness and poor judge of character) and a lifestyle that is incompatible with my own. It also might just be a coincidence but in my experience I tend to find that promiscuous women are less intelligent, more jaded and cynical, and more prone to sexism and lack of respect for men. Thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 08:13 AM
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Chad doesn't refer to any kind of douchebro stereotype. It's an archetype denoting "man who is broadly more attractive than you". If your girlfriend swings branches to someone better, that person is Chad - he was or did something that made him more attractive. He doesn't exist as an individual and there is no strict criteria, aside from what TRP considers the four main points of female attraction to men: 1) Looks/Physique 2) Game 3) Status 4) Money Not necessarily in that order. If a man is over…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 07:58 AM
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My republican, christian grandmother can listen to No Surprises completely oblivious to the darkness of the actual lyrics because it sounds whimsical and happy but as soon as My Sweet Lord comes on, those minor chords depress her, despite how beautiful the lyrics are and in accord with her deepest personal beliefs. This is basically The Smiths. Johnny Marr and Morrissey were a match made in heaven.
/r/TheRedPill17/12/15 06:44 PM
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and how terrifying they are to the Establishment This really shone through in the case of Nigel Farage. He was never going to gain any real power, UKIP won a grand total of 1 seat in Parliament, and ironically what little support they did have was generated largely by the media and political opponents that hated them in a kind of Streisand effect. As a conservative you probably don't think much of Corbyn but the same thing seems to be happening to him. As someone who feels completely disillusion…
/r/TheRedPill17/12/15 06:18 PM
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The buff jock can't really be bullied, because if you do or say anything that really gets to him he can physically overpower you and force you to stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 08:29 AM
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I've noticed that I've been almost entirely absent from the PPD and the manosphere in general since I went back to college and had my mind occupied on other shit, exposing myself to intellectual pursuits and social situations where my brain is focused on frequent discrete tasks. My brain simply has no time or capacity for mapping broad theories of social dynamics onto my interactions. The misanthropy that I develop when I spend extended periods back home away from peers becomes completely useles…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 08:55 PM
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As a relatively attractive, fit and intelligent young man I'm not looking forward to those times. My dream is to be able to independently live in comfort with a job that fulfills and inspires me. Women don't really factor into that. My mother is going to be the worst for this. I'm her first born son so she'll be at once protective of me and at the same time insistent that I find a nice girl to settle down with, more because she wants grandchildren than out of any real concern for my happiness. M…
/r/TheRedPill28/11/15 09:13 PM
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The golden rule, or some variant thereof, appears in virtually every culture and religion. This seems to be the basis of your argument, but it's not a universal trump card when discussing the ethics of social transactions. I've always thought that it promotes a rather solipsistic mindset, rather than a more empathetic one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 07:38 PM
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It's not necessary to assume that for attractive and confident men (or indeed women). The halo effect means they will be given far more leniency for all the bad things they say or do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 07:25 PM
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It's not that I'm 'not okay' with good-looking male feminists, it's just that it's easy to see why they'd like the company of women and think highly of them in general, especially by comparison to ugly socially-awkward dudes. The beta mangina feminists are mostly just pathetic self-loathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 05:01 PM
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You'll probably find that very attractive and naturally confident men will have very positive things to say about women because they've always been treated very well by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 04:11 PM
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When I think of single mothers, I can't help but think "at best, a poor judge of character". I'm a man, and I am fucking terrified of potentially having a child with the wrong person, and not just for child support reasons. If I don't meet the right woman, I'll just never have one. I'm not even going to be the one bearing the child, going through the 9 months of pregnancy and having my genitals obliterated by a person coming out of them. Having children is generally ill-advised, and should only …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 10:43 PM
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Of course a lot of the examples you'll find on the sub dedicated to mocking 'nice guys' do depict an angry, bitter loser. Sometimes though, you do find sincere guys who are just socially retarded and almost certainly on the autism spectrum getting mocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 11:48 PM
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"Irrational woman there, disregard" is probably the equivalent of the "privileged male there, disregard" that you we see from the feminist side. I can't disagree. It's remarkably similar to the bizarre feminist invention of mansplaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 10:06 AM
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I haven't talked about this topic with the very few lesbians I know, but from all the accounts I've read on here, especially the bisexuals who can compare lesbians to straight men, AWALT still rings true. The common theme is that relationships with women are more emotionally intense for better and worse. That's not to say that men don't have their own unique problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 10:03 AM
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TRP doesn't really have a fixed political position on much outside of gender. Even then, the gender politics is really an outgrowth or side effect of the core discussion of sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 09:53 PM
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I have no problem with child support per se. But when a guy wants a paternity test, he should be able to just get one, with or without female permission, or any other bureaucratic red tape.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 09:50 PM
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I don't know, but it should. If you don't like your woman, just get rid. If you're married, well God help you, I believe there is a separate married RP sub for you to go talk about your feelings and have a little cry.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 08:17 PM
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No, simply because there are far fewer gay men than straight women. Casual sex would be easy but if I ever decide that I want a long-term relationship, the chances are remote in comparison to the pool of available women who want relationships. If I could choose, I would totally be bisexual and just slut it up with gay dudes until I want to raise children (I would want to raise them with the mother, not adopt or get a surrogate with another guy).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 08:13 PM
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Fatherhood is a social construct when you need to ban paternity tests. It's a biological fact when someone (because someone must pay) needs to support women's irresponsibility. I've never thought about that before. It is really fucked up when you think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 08:07 PM
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unsuccessful guys saw weekends as "two days of rest between school" This is called introversion. Social situations are emotionally exhausting for introverts. That means any social interaction taking place at school is added to the energy toll that school takes on everyone through normal work and extracurricular activities. Note that introverts are not necessarily bad in social situations, or that they don't enjoy them. Think of it like playing sports, you can enjoy it and be really good at it bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 08:01 PM
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That it's best to try and keep the masses from getting violent and overthrowing the ruling class? Yeh I'd say that's a concept universal to all hierarchical societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 06:31 PM
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Additionally we tend to see any expression that goes against female chastity to be denigrated across cultures worldwide, not just cheating or cuckolding. As with most conservative religious belief, it has its roots in biological reproduction and its associated anxieties for the male, but over millennia, these beliefs are moulded to more specific social and cultural concerns. This requires some sort of prehistoric conspiracy that simply isn't possible. It doesn't date back to prehistory, it dates…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 04:38 PM
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No. He's a disgusting mass of useless meat. Why the fuck would anyone love a man that could do that to himself? It makes me feel sick just thinking about it. Only the most dedicated pedestalisation of women could ever believe that a woman could truly, deeply love a 900lb (NINE HUNDRED POUND) man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 07:56 AM
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Now combine this with religion which somehow always manages to portray the female as a temptress that needs to be repressed and restricted. Control and repression of female sexuality through religion had two purposes: 1) Ensure to the best of society's ability the paternity of the husband. 2) Keep beta males (working classes) docile and content with semi-regular sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 07:48 AM
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It's not unreasonable. I believe that there is no such thing as selfless and unconditional love, so it's inevitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 07:34 AM
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sometimes people just want to cuss and expel bad energy via their mouths. And I just want to stay out of the way of other people's verbal projectile vomit ¯_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:12 PM
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The issue at hand is her family. Saying "he won't care" is just wrong. Depends on what the problem is. A family spat is of no inherent interest whatsoever to someone outside of the family. The only interest lies in how it is affecting her, and what he can do to help.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:07 PM
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I can't relate to that impulse in the slightest. I've always seen venting as a huge waste of time and emotional energy. Complaining without taking steps to solve the problem is just dumb attention-seeking.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:04 PM
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His office politics? Not particularly. Just as he doesn't really care about mine, but we offer support. Well yeh, that's what I'm describing. Maybe I didn't explain it well enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:59 PM
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That is correct but it doesn't counter my argument. Do you really, honestly care about the particulars of your partner's office politics? Do you listen because you're interested in the narrative, or because you want to help and give advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:48 PM
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BPers think the world revolves around them. When they see a group that has a stance that is against something integral to their identity (gender, race, their lifestyle choices, whatever), they see it as a personal attack and are deeply offended. There's really nothing more to it than that. They are rarely equally offended by groups that take a stance against things not to do with their identity. A BPer middle-class white woman will most likely be more offended and angry with TRP than she will wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:41 PM
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Nah, it'd be a pointless waste of time. Nobody learns or grows by hating on a particular group.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:36 PM
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I have no idea, I don't know your boyfriend or his particular prejudices. My post was a generalisation delineating how the vast majority of men's brains are wired to handle general social issues. If your parents are mentally ill, he should probably know about that if there are any plans for him to meet them. Unless the mental illness was passed on to you, I don't see why it might scare him off. But again, I don't know the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:30 PM
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If she's not looking for him to help in any way, it's probably a waste of time. Most men lean towards problem-solving when it comes to social tensions like this. He'll likely be thinking about what he can to do help. If she's just looking for someone to talk at, whilst he just nods and generally responds in the affirmative....she should just save her breath and assume he's generally supportive. He probably doesn't care about the situation even a little bit, beyond his capacity to make things bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 08:21 PM
2

all they have to do is respect me and care about me, and I'll do the same for them. So it's not selfless? Your love for them is in fact conditional and based on what you receive from them (respect and care).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:46 PM
2

It eventually lead to a lack of interest on my part. More information is needed here, women are very good at reshaping memory to fit their preferred narrative. Are you sure he didn't just lose interest in you and stop caring to maintain the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:57 AM
6

dude, tl;dr?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:49 AM
1

Could you just generally expand? I don't know even know where to start. That is in a positively intrigued way rather than an offended confused way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:48 AM
1

Occasionally a TRP post makes it onto my frontpage and I'll check it out if it looks interesting, but yeh other than that I don't even look at it. I think if you're doing anything more than a cursory glance once a day, you're doing something wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 05:35 PM
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It kind of annoys me when TRP strays into male supremacy. I'm highly skeptical that men follow abstract ideas of honour and faith more closely than women. It might well be true that men have greater proclivity for logical, rational thinking, but the abundance of men who are just dumbass motherfuckers with dim capacity for logical rational thinking renders the issue moot. It's also strange that these ideas are held alongside a subscription to the ideas of Greene and Machiavelli. Men are just as e…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 05:33 PM
4

I think once you get the fundamentals of the RP ideology, you shouldn't really need to frequent the sub itself all that often. Just a bit of 5 minute supplementary reading in the morning while you're having breakfast. Too many people claim to have swallowed the pill when their free time still basically revolves around reddit and other inane internet browsing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 05:07 PM
4

This is true. The young college-aged men who are attractive, intelligent and successful with women but don't follow that stereotypical douchebro lifestyle will have absolutely no need for TRP. They're living life on easy mode and you really don't need the walkthrough guide at that difficulty level.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 02:33 PM
5

Of course not. Isn't it blatantly obvious?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 06:46 AM
1

It is obvious, but it means that much of the generalisations TRP makes about women must surely be true, otherwise these things wouldn't make much difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 06:40 AM
1

I have no doubts that men can get along just fine without wealth, I'm not saying each TRP tenet of attraction is a dealbreaker, all I'm saying is that they do help to a degree greater than zero. An ugly out of shape dude with poor social skills will be able to leverage his wealth to sexual success, just take a cursory glance at Silicon Valley.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 09:18 PM
1

So all other things being equal, wealth and status have no significance? Are you serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 08:32 PM
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I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying that the generalisations that TBPers hate so much are surely valid and useful, and there's a cognitive dissonance in their hatred of the ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 04:47 PM
1

Are you kidding me? The cultural meme of men being "visual creatures" is almost universally accepted as true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 04:46 PM
1

No fucking shit. Right? I'm not the one arguing against models of attraction. A fit, charming, confident, rich woman is going to do better in the dating market too. Yep. Thing is, people more readily accept generalisations about how male attraction works. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 04:38 PM
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Muscles wealth and status are not important to everyone. Add confidence/game to those 3. I'd say that every woman finds at least one of them important in a man. The combinations vary but having all four makes you an extremely attractive man. TRP isn't saying that these criteria are dealbreakers, but that they help make you more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 04:35 PM
1

You're not taking into account all that other stuff TRP is famous for. Like learning game, developing your career and earning money, all things that BPers will readily admit makes you more attractive to women. Someone got their thesaurus out and din't use a word properly, but close enough. No, still no. Actually, I did use it correctly. For whatever reason, I did not need an internet message board full of gross misogyny and entitlement to come to this realization. Neither did I, but I wasn't unl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 04:20 PM
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This whole discussion emerges from what "attractive" means to women, not the very fact of there being attraction in the first place. My point is that there is an ideal attractive man and for that ideal to exist the generalisations of women must also be valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 04:04 PM
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This is where you're wrong. The whole foundation of TRP is recognising your flaws and weaknesses and working constantly to improve them. However, one should avoid announcing or broadcasting their flaws/weaknesses as much as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 10:16 AM
1

It's not female selectivity that is the problem, it's the lies about it that create frustration. Society tells men that women are not shallow and will see past the fat and acne to the real, niceguy you. When this fantasy is destroyed through adolescence, young men mistakenly believe that the objects of their desire are bitches who aren't behaving how women ought to (in the context of what they've been told about women), when in fact they're just being women and the problem is the dipshits who ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 07:56 AM
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Of course not, the whole idea is absurd, and breeds fear and mistrust. There was a fantastic post on /r/videos recently on this very issue, that from both sides it implies that obviously sexual advances from the woman are to be treated with suspicion and fear until proven otherwise. The woman's default position is that of sexual passivity, and any deviation from this is unnatural and requires scrutiny. It's essentially a reinforcement of traditional gender roles that third-wave feminism claims t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 07:52 AM
3

In the context of South Africa, I think the issue is far more to do with the fact that he's white and that he's an extremely famous Olympian athlete despite his disabilities than the mere fact of being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 07:49 AM
2

I definitely lose respect for a man who takes bullshit from his wife. And vice versa I guess. It demonstrates a lack of pride and respect in yourself. It means you cannot be trusted, since you will sacrifice your integrity for companionship and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 01:25 PM
2

I think the hamster fell off its wheel.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 07:35 AM
1

I said it to someone else, social degeneracy isn't much different in the US and the UK. We have widespread knife crime, but we don't have periodic massacres and cops killing people every day because guns are so difficult to acquire.
/r/TheRedPill21/10/15 05:29 PM
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I suppose I just can't take the whole issue seriously enough. It deserves to have a comedian come along and send it up. The rest of the developed world gets on just fine without guns, and yet Americans think it's some kind of prerequisite for sufficient manhood. Get a grip.
/r/TheRedPill21/10/15 03:45 PM
1

You obviously don't know much of Jim Jefferies if you think he's left-wing. people don't just start shooting each other when they have guns just as we don't all stab each other when we all have knives. Some people, like crazy people, do. The difference is here in the UK it's very difficult to channel that crazy into murdering a dozen people in a public place. We have a lot of knife crime, but an incident of a crazy guy with a knife is easier to contain and minimise casualties. One in recent memo…
/r/TheRedPill21/10/15 02:32 PM
1

Sure. So what's your problem? How old are you, btw? 21, why is that relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 02:16 PM
0

As a non-American (yep, they exist), I'll refer you to Jim Jefferies who puts the whole issue much better than I can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0
/r/TheRedPill21/10/15 09:36 AM
2

I just want to give you a hug man. I don't think you need a therapist, you just need a healthy creative or intellectual outlet for your bizarre and unique brain. Do you have any hobbies or skills? Do you have, or would you be able to get the qualifications to get into a University in a course that interests you? You need a purpose in life, all men do. Even if it's just a distraction from the utter meaninglessness of existence. Pointed in a different direction, you'd have a lot to offer the world…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 09:27 AM
1

I would think that as long as you don't present yourself as a physical danger to yourself and others then you won't get sectioned against your will.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 09:04 AM
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Timmy doesn't blame Sarah. He blames those who gave him incomplete advice as a kid. For some reason it's okay for women to complain about the confused mixed signals they receive about how to behave with regards to sexuality, i.e. the madonna/whore complex. But if men complain about the mixed signals they receive, they're just retards. Posts like this serve only to prove TRP's point about how men are perceived by others, and how they are expected to lead their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 08:58 AM
0

Once you hit 21 or get a fake ID, you can just go up to guys you like in bars and ask to fuck. At worst they'll politely decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 07:36 AM
1

So you don't think the way a person presents and carries themselves reflects on their personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 07:33 AM
1

I've always found it easy to just look at someone's face and body language and determine how our conversation is going to go. I'm very rarely proven wrong, and it's a delight when when that happens. I wish it would happen more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 11:10 PM
3

The problem with society is that the opposites of those virtues are becoming more and more accepted and welcomed. Men are increasingly encouraged to display dependency, fear and weakness, because fighting these vices is "toxic masculinity".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 06:50 AM
1

It's certainly a interesting caricature but the guy in the picture pretty much looks like the personification of what TRP would call bluepill. I can vividly imagine what kind of person he is to be around just from his general demeanour. He's like a cliche of what it means to be an average and unremarkable man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 07:22 PM
3

People who complain about life without taking practical steps to solve their problems are generally lazy and boring people not worth worrying about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 07:18 PM
1

I think it's best to judge on a case-by-case basis. However I would say promiscuity generally lends itself to a lifestyle and personality-type that wouldn't be compatible with me. Plenty of women on here say they don't like promiscuous men and there's apparently nothing wrong with that. Switch it around and suddenly I'm insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 07:08 PM
1

I could, but I really don't want to. I spent all summer working on our family's garden at our new house. A plot of land about an acre, it was a huge backbreaking project. I'm never doing any of that shit again. I'd much rather have a nice apartment in a city than big house in the country
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 06:07 PM
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If I was in LTR I'd happily concede all that bullshit to the woman. I couldn't give two fucks where I live and what I live in as long I can comfortably live and do all the things I need to do. I'm living in a student hall, single room to myself right now and I could live in a place like this for the rest of my life for all I care. In fact getting a big house with a garden, but not being rich enough to pay for cleaners/gardeners, would be a real pain in the arse that I could do without.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 05:31 PM
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The point is the clothes should be fitting. You need to look like you know what you're doing. The difference between an ill-fitting shirt and well-fitting shirt is surprising. Same with physique, you don't necessarily need it but it makes a big difference to the attractiveness of a man. You only have to look at before/after pictures on fitness subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 08:10 AM
1

LOL that is brilliant. 10/10, well trolled.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/15 07:24 AM
4

I'm a gay dude and the feeling of revulsion I get when imagining having sex with a woman and sex with a repulsive man is pretty similar. Maybe being a receiver really does fundamentally change the dynamic, I wouldn't know. All I can say is, for me to fuck a fat ugly chick, just give me a shot or two, a few minutes to psyche myself up, and I'd get the deed over with no fuss no muss. Take a shower afterwards, forget it ever happened. The very idea of even touching the hottest guy on the planet wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:42 PM
2

Serious long-term relationships inevitably throw up situations where you have make a major life decision with the consideration of another person. Big career opportunity opens up but you have to move, but oh noes your partner loves it here and doesn't want to leave. Power dynamics start coming into play, and something has to give, either one of you compromises or the relationship falls apart. That's just one example of many, and that's without even taking into account children. There's no such t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:26 PM
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Ok? Nobody is stopping women from making that decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:21 PM
2

How is it "illogical"? It's a non sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:19 PM
2

Unless two people are identical, there is always someone with more power. Whether that person chooses to use their power is another matter, but the dynamic is inextricable from almost all human interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 04:39 PM
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You're trying to compare sexual orientation with sexual preference. They are not comparable. How can one effectively argue against something when the original premise is completely illogical?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 04:30 PM
4

According to the CDC, "the majority of women [are] overweight or obese (63.4 percent). Fucking hell. This shit is scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:50 AM
2

This would make sense if SMV referred to a service, like sex or validation. But SMV is used to refer to people. You don't say "she gave me SMV 7 sex", you say "she is SMV 7." I don't think most people are so pedantic on this issue. Everything you're saying is pretty much implied in real-life conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:48 AM
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Nothing goes with you when you die, including the people you love. We all die alone, with nothing. All actions are equally meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Marriage, being a bachelor, being rich, being poor. None of it is objectively better or worse, so the best we can do is find what we want in life and pursue it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:29 AM
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Should corporations give women raises and promotions when they have children, in order to artificially bridge the gap?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:22 AM
5

If I ever wanted a LTR I reckon it'd be trivially easy to hide my TRP views.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 07:44 AM
2

Ah yeh my post didn't adequately convey my meaning...when I say 'be around people' I mean to be accepted by certain people, on a regular basis, essentially in the form of a friendship, however casual. Even if you don't try to be friends with people, it often happens that by simply being passively agreeable and pleasant you are accepted into a social circle of some kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 01:29 PM
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Of course. The way modern society is structured, it's almost impossible to go any extended period of time being truly, involuntarily FA. To truly want to be around people but being unable or prevented from doing so is extremely rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 01:12 PM
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If you're FA by choice, aren't you just intentionally isolating yourself? I'm forever alone, but I don't really care, I don't particularly want to be around people. I'm halfway through day 1 of two days off and I'm spending them in glorious solitude. I'm forever alone but not Forever Alone, I'm not part of that group of lonely people, and neither are women who forgo opportunities for sexual companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 12:19 PM
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I dont belive that life is about reaching a destination where you are happy and content. Correct, it's about putting yourself on an endless journey that makes you happy and content. You fucking struggle and hassle with pain and sorrow (and all other feelings) until the day you die. I don't. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?
/r/TheRedPill14/10/15 07:23 AM
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I'd be amazed if there was even a single one in my lifetime. I'm 21 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 03:20 PM
2

That's a different issue altogether. I'm talking about instances were choice and thus responsibility is involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 11:16 AM
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The man's decision of who to fuck doesn't mean shit. Consent is given by the woman, when she has selected a suitable mate. If consent is not given, then the guy doesn't have sex, or it becomes rape which is a different issue altogether. It will raise the standard of acceptable dating behaviour, to which men will eventually rise when they realise the price has gone up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 08:09 PM
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Like I said to another person, women are the gatekeepers of sex, they decide who gets to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:49 PM
4

Deadbeat chumps don't have the final say in that interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:48 PM
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If the choice is abortion or poverty, don't get pregnant. If you've gotten pregnant by accident, make sure it's to a guy worth making those decisions with. Bottom line, don't have sex with deadbeat chumps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:34 PM
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Is there anything other than your opinion to back this up? It's just logic. Rich guy pays more in child support than poor guy. The rich guy's child support is to prevent the mother dropping her standard of living significantly (a windfall), and the rest goes to the child (who doesn't require more financial support than the poor guy's kid).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:32 PM
1

That's a fair analysis, I hadn't thought of it like that. Bit of male solipsism there for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:18 PM
4

How can guys be socially inept? Especially if they have friendlly personalities? Being generally pleasant and friendly is completely different from having good social skills and awareness. One is an expression of your basic nature, the other is the ability to navigate your environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:13 PM
10

Maybe some of that self-loathing comes down to an incongruity between your strongly-held beliefs and actual reality? You hold men to a standard that you don't meet, what do you expect?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 12:53 PM
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Nope. Plenty of 5 or 6/10 guys simply wont get laid because they're socially inept. You've admitted elsewhere that you don't have male friends, I have many. Some of them are just not getting laid at all, and they're decent-looking guys with friendly personalities (otherwise I wouldn't be friends with them).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 12:52 PM
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You're clearly hopelessly misandrist. What makes you any better than TRPers?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 12:43 PM
4

Everyone gets laid. Everyone who has the balls to talk to women and risk rejection has sex. This is just not true and I honestly have no idea how you could come to this conclusion. There are plenty of men out there who will never have sex without paying for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 12:38 PM
3

I suspect if you met a real-life Xemnas you'd be weirded out by him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 12:36 PM
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Surely a troll post? You can't be serious that this one experience has given you such an extreme view of the genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 12:28 PM
3

It's probably most effective for that environment and age group. It's the party years, the time when the Cock Carousel spins at its fastest. After that, there's a bit of a fallow period until a man can develop a successful career by his late 20s. That period is when a man has to work his fucking ass off to get anything in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:28 AM
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TRP says don't get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 10:38 AM
1

I'd imagine being deprived of sex is a source of great emotional stress for him. Probably contributes to some mental disorder or other (and the disorder to his incel status), creating a vicious cycle of shame, self-loathing and anxiety, each passing sexless day making things worse. To be honest, such people should probably just get a prostitute. It's not really logically possible to enforce an act that requires two people to consent without coercion, it just becomes state-sanctioned rape. Thing …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 07:52 AM
1

One way I'd say my parent's relationship influenced me is their lack of displayed affection. I have no idea whether they had sex regularly, my bedroom was never close to enough hear, but in front of me and my siblings my parents basically never displayed affection. I'm asexual. I have no idea whether I was born that way or what, but I suspect my lack of desire for romantic affection and physical intimacy was influenced by the example set by my parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 07:31 AM
1

Aren't they actually decided by the UN? Yes but a Government can choose to ignore them. They'd probably face consequences, but it doesn't change the fact you have those rights on the good graces of the State. I wanna hear why (whining aside) this guy thinks his "right to sex" deserves be on the other side of that line. The criteria is subjective, you just disagree on what should constitute a 'right'. I believe that everyone should have a right to healthcare, but America disagrees and says you've…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 07:26 AM
1

To play devil's advocate, what we call 'human rights' are really just privileges afforded to us by the State. They are not universal or inalienable, they're just legal and arbitrary, easily discarded when the law-makers and arbiters of your nation see fit (see any lawless shithole on the planet, Syria, Iraq etc.). The rapist does not believe that women have a right to live sexually unmolested, despite what the law might say. The legal and arbitrary existence of those rights means nothing when he…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 07:08 AM
1

I don't read TRP all that much but whenever I do, I only bother reading the most upvoted posts and posts from 'endorsed contributors' and other important members. Therefore, it's rare that I'll encounter a lot of the silly angry shit that no doubt exists on the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 06:58 AM
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The idea that men are a GM experiment is correct. Men are more prone to be outliers in many respects, and men are the ones who have driven human advancement forward, we're the experimental gender that reaches out to our environment and alters it. Women are the safe, cautious sex. Without men the world might be a little nicer but we'd be riding around in a horse and cart because burning fossil fuels damages the environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 02:13 PM
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I have had 20 partners Hahaha. You're a slut and judging from your threads so far you seem ashamed of that fact, like sex is some dirty wrong thing. You've ridden the Cock Carousel, deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 11:46 AM
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You're totally right. 80% of men are boring pointless people, and that's why they're only capable of intermittent sex with strangers, or if they're lucky, uninspiring sex with an unattractive LTR. I doubt East Asians are any better though, have you read about the hikikomori phenomenon in Japan? Betas and incels are perhaps worse there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 11:29 AM
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It's not just a misandry bubble, it's the world economy bubble. IIRC, demographers have said that the population will look like an inverted pyramid sometime in 2050/2060 where there will be far more old and not enough young to support them. This is going to be a huge concern. You wont even have to wait that long. The baby boomers are starting to hit retirement age now. State pensions are going to be a colossal strain on public funds in the next 10-20 years, along with the costs to health service…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 07:24 AM
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creates an unsafe environment for women to post in. Jesus wept. One tiny secluded section of the internet, that isn't expansionary and doesn't engage in brigading (unlike SRS), and suddenly it's an "unsafe environment for women". Just imagine trying to explain this situation to someone who has actually lived in unsafe environments.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 06:58 AM
1

Sure, it's hypocritical, but who cares? You can't intellectually negotiate desire, if a person sexually desires a thing, no amount of rationalising will reduce it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 06:55 AM
1

so 'self' is not your physical body which you are hurting by giving up your kidney? I did address the kidney donor. The damage has to be permanent and debilitating...giving blood hurts your body but you'll be fine and your body replaces it. are they on the selfless side of the spectrum, on average? Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 07:17 PM
1

That's just a disagreement in the definition of selfless. To me, a charitable person gets fulfillment out of helping others, helping them feel better, therefore there is consideration for the 'self'. A totally selfless act would be sacrificing one's life, or otherwise giving up something permanently that would be debilitating for the rest of their life. The person giving up a kidney would probably fall under that, especially if their only remaining kidney ends up compromised in some way later do…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 06:57 PM
1

I think very few people live with the fate of the species on their mind for any notable amount of time. Selfless people (those who enjoy helping others technically are still acting in self-interest but that's just semantics) are far more likely to consider their local community. What's best for a local community isn't necessarily what's best for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 05:22 PM
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Why should those people listen to your criticism?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 05:19 PM
7

Why should those people listen to your criticism?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 05:19 PM
-1

Why should those people listen to your criticism?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 05:19 PM
1

Surely no sane and rational thinking person has the hubris to dictate what is good for the species? There is an opportunity cost to every decision, how can we decide which is the "better" option?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 02:49 PM
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I couldn't believe what I was hearing. To be fair, another girl disagreed and injected some reality into the conversation, that it's a validation-seeking act to get likes and compliments especially for women (unless it's done as a joke, men obviously don't comment on their friend's photos with "you look so handsome bro <3").
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 02:15 PM
4

Selfies just happened to come up in conversation the other day in class, and a couple of girls actually believed that it's not a self-absorbed act because when you share it it's like a gift to the world. They actually believed that sharing their dumb mug on facebook is improving the world somehow. I shit you not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 02:07 PM
2

None of this matters on a University campus. Guys get expelled on pure accusation alone. I expect this will continue until the courts get sick of all the lawsuits and force Universities to implement a policy of innocent until proven guilty.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 07:42 AM
12

Go to person. Talk to person. The end. Well fuck me sideways, why did I never think of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 07:31 AM
7

It's all over literature. Oscar Wilde and Bret Easton Ellis are two more. They can view the hetero SMP through a scientific lens because they're not invested in it.
/r/TheRedPill07/10/15 03:31 PM
1

Most people seem to be offended at the generalisations of women....but many of those people in the same post will admit that many of its positions on self-improvement are good and useful. They're saying that hitting the gym, working on social skills/game, developing your career etc. are good things with regard to sexual strategy, which implies that women like men who are proficient in those areas....they then go on to chastise TRP for making generalisations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 02:25 PM
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It's far easier to control people with promises of a blissful afterlife than it is with promises of political representation (especially if the elected Government is weak). Democracy is not necessarily the most effective or benevolent form of Government, and the ensuing political and philosophical debate is too complicated for uneducated peasants to get emotionally invested in. Besides, imported democracy worked in post-war Europe and Japan. There are many factors that determine whether democrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 01:56 PM
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maybe it's human nature for many to want a fantasy after life and behave in a certain way to get that. It's human nature to search for meaning, and the educated elite provides that meaning. Across history the vast majority of people have been uneducated, illiterate and trusting of spiritual leaders. It's very easy to control uneducated people through superstition as we still see today with religious extremism.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 01:45 PM
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dark triad types don't care for law and order. They don't care for anything besides themselves. They have no feelings whatsoever about law and order, only what they can use to their advantage. The act of creating a culture and civilisation that works to their advantage is pretty much the pinnacle of dark triad actualisation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 01:31 PM
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why would people go along with a culture that was antagonistic to their nature? Because it promises paradise in the afterlife.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 01:26 PM
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I don't think the men you're referring to have successfully swallowed the red pill. Unplugged guys will just say 'NEXT' and forget about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 08:10 AM
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So really it comes down to wanting attention and validation? I'm aspiring writer, I do what I do because I enjoy it and it fulfills me. I have a fallback with my degree but if my career doesn't pan out, I'm not going to be proud of that, the fact that "at least I tried" will be of no consolation. I'd take being a stay-at-home father over working in some bullshit admin job in an office every time. Creating and shaping a life sounds like an amazing vocation to me. It has value in itself regardless…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 08:06 AM
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The fact that you need explanation how breakup is different from abuse, rape, murder etc. is problematic. That's not what I'm asking you to explain. You still don't seem to understand this. My point is that a moral obligation to not cause harm is flawed, and can actually lead to you being taken advantage of, and suffering unnecessarily in unhappy relationships both romantic and platonic. That's it, nothing more nothing less.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 03:51 PM
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Or you don't even think you could have sex enough times to procreate? Of course I could. But having children presumes long term dating. I want my children to be raised by both myself and the mother, which makes a LTR necessary. The odds of me finding a mother for my children who would be compatible with me are negligible at best. The sacrifices and compromises I'd have to make to widen my pool of options outweigh my desire to have children, so it's not really a huge deal. I'm introverted, so I l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 03:46 PM
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Care to explain why it's pathetic or false? Or are just going to continue blowing smoke? TRP doesn't encourage rape, abuse or murder so I don't know why you've even brought the argument to that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 03:27 PM
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You are saying rape, abuse, murder etc is equivalent to breaking up. Okay, you're either refusing to or are incapable of grasping a simple piece of logic. I can see I'm wasting my time with you, have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 03:20 PM
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Sigh No Einstein, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the notion of a moral obligation to not cause harm is flawed. Why is it that BPers have such a problem with nuance and ambiguity?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 01:58 PM
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In some situations, causing harm is inevitable. As Atlas says above, in a breakup, emotional harm is very difficult to avoid. Do you then have a moral obligation to stay together?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 11:14 AM
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In some situations, causing harm is inevitable. As Atlas says above, in a breakup, emotional harm is very difficult to avoid. Do you then have an obligation to stay together?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 10:51 AM
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Do you think it would be possible and or likely for you to meet another asexual person and spend your life with them just enjoying each others company? I don't reveal much about myself in real life let alone my sexuality. I suspect most people would have pity on me, as despite being an intelligent, good-looking guy who works out, I've never been physically intimate with anyone. From what I've read about asexuality I don't think I'm quite typical of it, it's hard to explain and I'm not even sure …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 07:39 AM
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I stumbled upon TRP, it intrigued me and whilst I don't condone or participate in its extremes, nor do I live the lifestyle, I consider it a worthy and valid space in the manosphere. I find many posts on the self-improvement and social dynamics side to be useful and interesting, along with its general encouragement of masculinity. I came upon it at a time when it'd have been very easy for me to slide into self-loathing with regards to my sexuality and gender...I'd say it has definitely helped gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:06 AM
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Personally I am more attracted to someone who treats me like an equal than someone who idealizes me. Sure, I'm not saying that to be successful with women you need to treat them as inferiors or superiors. My point is that we all inevitably treat people differently based on our objectives in a given interaction and our assumptions about the other person. It's not a good idea to treat both genders exactly the same way in all contexts, because then you would never get laid. yeah but you are telling…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 10:51 PM
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Uhhh no, not at all. But is this something I should be thinking about when I post things on the internet, how people with certain disorders might interpret what I say? Well, not just people who are bad enough to be diagnosed with a disorder, just people who are highly self-conscious in social situations and those who are gullible enough to internalise well-meaning platitudes about social dynamics in an effort to improve. I'd wager that this denotes a silent majority of people. Treating women jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 09:47 PM
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As GreasyPole outlines, if self-improvement advice can be said to be 'sound', then the generalisations of what women are attracted to must surely be said to be 'sound'.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 09:10 PM
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but I would be incredibly happy to be treated as equal to men in general, yes. So where does flirting and sexual escalation come in? You understand why people with disorders like social anxiety might misinterpret messages like this? I don't think you quite understand what you're saying here, because you're not a man. You have no idea what men think when we're interacting with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 09:02 PM
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I feel similar to OP, but I'm pretty unusual in my sexuality. From what I can gather I can broadly identify as asexual, but whenever I do on occasion have sexual fantasies and wandering thoughts, it's always for women who I'd easily be able to persuade into casual sex and deny commitment to (i.e. fairly unattractive women who have made obvious indications that they're interested in me). Despite being asexual I would like to have children one day, the problem being that whenever I come across a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 08:42 PM
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Isn't the basis of The Patriarchy the idea that, subconsciously at least, mainstream society accepts many TRP ideas of male supremacy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 08:28 PM
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I'm with you. Whilst I'm certainly not TRP, I do find a minority of threads, mainly the ones on social dynamics and careers, to be very interesting and insightful. It's extremely refreshing to have a space to discuss these things without censorship and consideration of tone, you can cut right through any bullshit and make your point clear. It's a place where people will call you out on your bullshit. Sometimes you need someone to tell you you're talking shit or being a massive fag, rather than c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 08:16 PM
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Please note that I'm not RP, I'm not saying you are assuming this but I think it's important so that you don't think me a hypocrite in this discussion. With all due respect, your post is meaningless. Saying "I grew a spine, found someone better and now I'm happy" is just empty words that wont convince anyone. You have failed to demonstrate precisely why TRP is damaging and why your way is better. I didn't say I think you're dependent on her, I said "if" you are, then happiness is temporary.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 07:28 AM
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Your anecdote demonstrates only that you are lucky. It's a fallacy to believe that if you just act a certain way, the right way, then in the end things will work out. Now you are happy, but this is temporary, especially if this happiness is dependent on another person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 07:13 AM
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Frequency of gun massacres have much less to do with the legal status of prostitution, far more to do with the availability of guns. America is a lost cause when it comes to gun regulation, there are just too many of them even if there was sufficient political will to requisition large numbers. They'll just have to either deal with the mental illness problem, or accept that every few weeks or so a school or mall will be attacked by a lunatic with a gun. It's just a fact of life there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 06:52 PM
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AWALT, in my opinion, is ironically quite a feminist/humanist notion. It denotes that women rather than being the pedestalised madonna, are actually human, subject to their flesh and instinct and thus flawed and shallow. Anger phase TRPers just go the opposite way on the madonna/whore complex, and pedestalise men, both of which are mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 12:09 PM
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right now I would remove this qualifier. It could easily lead to her thinking that she has a good chance later on. It's best that she assumes the status quo will remain for the forseeable future.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 12:01 PM
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Sex is not particularly valuable to women because it's so easy to acquire.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 11:57 AM
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No. Some men will never have sex without paying for it. It's just a fact of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 06:54 AM
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True MGTOW don't need to identify themselves as such. They're the sigma wolf, striking out on their own without need for validation from the beta pack and its alpha leaders.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 03:57 PM
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I have no doubt it's part of human value. Sexual value is just as valid as any other kind of value, but it's definitely not the only one and not necessarily the most important. For instance, I am asexual, I will not provide sexual value to others regardless of my SMV, so of what practical use is my SMV?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 03:53 PM
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There's a limit to how submissive a girl can be before it becomes soul-sucking. She sounds like one of those people with a kind of anti-personality, not only does she not have one, but she saps those of others around her in her personality black hole. I get like that when I go through a depression, I am not a pleasant person to be around even though I'm superficially inoffensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 06:45 AM
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Stumbled upon TRP one day and found much of what I saw to be true. Obviously I have no idea what women are like in a relationship context because I've never been in one, but I've always been a more objective observer of the sexual and social dynamics happening around me all my life. I study in a female-majority field so I have plenty of female friends, and I see what TRP sees; women are shallow humans much like men, and our antithetical biological imperatives will always set us at odds with each…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 06:38 AM
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The word 'war' just denotes antithetical biological imperatives. A man's biological success comes at the expense of the women he does not give commitment to, and a woman's success comes at the expense of the man who is forgoing the opportunity to impregnate more women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 12:01 AM
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You sound asexual. Yep. I'm an intelligent, good-looking guy who works out, but I'm also a virgin. I've always struggled with labelling myself as I don't fit neatly into any one category I've found. I do masturbate to straight porn. But, for example, out in bars/nightclubs, I've been approached by plenty of women, I've had opportunities with people in my social groups, I'm just not interested. I don't even like the idea of kissing someone, my brain just can't get over how bizarre the action is. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 11:55 PM
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She wants gyms to have an age limit of 16, so that the young guys going there can have better reasoning skills to let them sift out crap advice from good. An arbitrary age limit doesn't guarantee "better reasoning skills". There are plenty of 14 year olds with better critical thinking skills than fully-grown adults. How about schools start educating kids on how to exercise? We follow this policy with regards to sex education. Obesity is just as great if not a greater problem than teen pregnancy …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 11:40 PM
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If they want to watch children's cartoons why is it anybody else's business?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 04:47 PM
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They're in the vast minority. For both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 01:34 PM
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Except you never hear shit like that from men as an excuse not to work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 09:15 AM
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You've posted before about all your mental issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 08:40 AM
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Xemnas, with all due respect you're legit mentally ill, you need some kind of treatment whether you subscribe to TRP or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 07:22 AM
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There's no TRP examination with a pass/fail grade. If you've made a noticeable net improvement in your life then you're winning. I don't think there's such a thing as having "won" life. You should always be looking to the next thing, the next improvement. Nobody is, or ever will be perfect, but the goal is to never get complacent.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 07:20 AM
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A lot of women seem to think that even Paul Rudd in Ant-Man is just normal and doesn't take much work. In reality Rudd had to spend months in the gym on a rigorous diet to get those results. So many women have a really warped view of human genetic potential (without significant lifestyle changes with regards to lifting/fitness). Hence the "I don't want to lift because I don't want to accidentally get big muscles" thing many say.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 07:15 AM
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Some of the most academically intelligent people I know are an absolute fucking mess outside the classroom. Like I honestly don't know how they successfully tie their shoes nevermind feed and clothe themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 04:55 PM
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If the goal is a LTR, the only thing men want is for the partner to be at a level of intelligence that makes her relatable. If a man says he values a woman with a good career, it's only because these days a middle class home and lifestyle with children requires two good incomes, it's a purely practical decision. It's more than that for women, they are attracted to resources and status on innate level, in my opinion/observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 04:53 PM
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Because reddit wants to open itself up to commercial interests, and so doesn't want to be associated with 'extremist' subreddits. The reason SRS gets away with everything is because they're feminist and feminism is a cash cow.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 02:04 PM
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I don't rank it very highly compared to other considerations. I agree. An impartial justice system is, in my opinion, the most important aspect of a civilisation that seeks to call itself fair and free in any meaningful way. As it stands the justice systems of much of the Western world implicitly favours the rich (which happens to include mostly white men), simply because they are able to pay for better lawyers. It also explicitly favours women when compared to men of the same economic class.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 10:01 AM
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Are you implying that it's not a ruthless ethic to have a strict criteria for the appearance of your romantic/sexual partner, regardless of how nice and kind they are? Because I'd disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 04:01 PM
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they tend to be much better at saying it Because there are so many feminists in this world, a lot are bound to be decent persuasive writers. But even then they don't seem to be on tumblr.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 03:58 PM
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You can't say that never happens, and from the guy's perspective it has a logic to it, but to suggest that all men at all times operate on that level of ruthless ethics, well that's just unfair. Unfair but true. Every man has his limits. Whether it's 20lbs or 100lbs or more, each individual man has his threshold. AMALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 03:37 PM
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stories of men who take their relationships for granted and stop putting any effort into meeting the needs of their partner. That's not necessarily even what I was describing. Shit happens to people in life that sets them back, exposes their weaknesses and flaws. Succumbing to that is death to a relationship. There was a frontpage thread recently (linked to /r/relationships) by a woman who felt disgust when his husband broke down sobbing on her shoulder after losing his job. This is one extreme,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 02:12 PM
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if you believe all women are sluts and untrustworthy Sigh This isn't even what AWALT means. To boil it down to the essentials, it attacks the idea of unconditional love. There is a set of circumstances, unique to each woman (depending on her self-esteem and expectations), under which the woman will leave you, even if you've done nothing overt to hurt her. She loves what you do for/to her, the value you bring to her life, NOT you as a person. If you bring zero or negative value to her life (a con…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 01:11 PM
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You never fantasised about killing someone you were angry at to let off steam? I can honestly say I don't think I ever have. Violent videogames don't simulate actual murder, it's more like a sport where you're hitting a pixelated target for points. A game like Manhunt would be more appropriate to the analogy, and I have zero desire to play that game.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 07:30 AM
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Yes that's incredibly stupid in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 06:00 PM
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So violent (including sexually violent) fantasies are different from sexual ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:59 PM
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Like a lot of TRP I think it's best to take it as a heuristic. Single mothers don't deserve anywhere near the level of sympathy and support they get. If you allow some asshat to rawdog you, don't be surprised when he behaves like one and leaves when you're pregnant, or is otherwise a terrible father. Scorpions and frogs and all that...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:57 PM
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So if someone says that they fantasise about raping and murdering children, that'd be totally fine and not indicative of anything about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:53 PM
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As someone who is introverted and naturally reserved, my idea of letting go and relaxing is just that...just chilling the fuck out. I wouldn't hold it against someone if they wanted to do silly childish stuff, but I'm not really interested in forcing myself to enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:51 PM
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Do fantasies not indicate desire? Desire is different from expectation, to be clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:44 PM
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sex robots would be social suicide. Don't tell anyone? Many women own dildos, I'm sure a number of my female friends have one, but I don't know which ones because they don't talk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:39 PM
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should be. Can you expand on why he should be a social pariah? What if a man is just too busy to date? What's the difference between an escort/prostitute and a sexbot, for the purpose they are being used for?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:36 PM
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Happiness can mean many things. Venkat Rao posits in The Gervais Principle (very interesting read if you like The Office and also enjoy reading about social and organisational dynamics, particularly in a corporation) that happiness is a social phenomenon to distinguish it from contentedness, equanimity and hedonistic pleasure. It's a result of being validated, accepted and respected among your peers (your tribe), and is thus totally relative to the individual and their situation. It is a bit of …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:17 PM
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I don't think it's really possible, to be overall unhappy in life and be fulfilled. To me it's a contradiction in terms. Fulfillment is supposed to make you happy in the long-term. If you're mostly unhappy, it's because your lifestyle is incongruent with your true desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:37 PM
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You're posing it as if people have to make a choice between being independent/unhappy and being happy/dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:54 PM
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I will say this: I'd rather be educated, independent and unhappy than happy and living at the whims of other people. (And I can say that, because I've experienced both.) But that's not a choice you're ever forced to make in the developed Western world, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 06:22 AM
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Half the human population counts as a 'minority' to you? Some women don't give a shit about pushing paper as an office drone for 50 years of their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 06:20 AM
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I didn't realize strength and independence were surefire ingredients of happiness. You'll find that this is pretty much the exact reasoning used by feminists in the 70s and 80s (influencing the current 40 year olds).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 06:18 AM
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In my opinion (as a student of linguistics and literature), the way Orwell explores language in relation to our perception of reality is the most interesting thing about the novel, and it is the topic of the crescendo during O'Brian's interrogation. If you can control communication, you control the world. I think much of the rest simply emerges from this foundational idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 06:16 AM
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I think the law is fine as it currently is. There has to be a legal way to abort, because if there isn't women will find horribly unsafe illegal ways to do it. It's the same argument with certain illegal drugs; legalisation and regulation makes the whole process and product safer, to meet a demand that will always be there regardless of the law. Law as deterrent only works on rationally-thinking people, and anyway you can get pregnant from rape for which there is no involuntary analogue with dru…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 06:11 AM
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She's obviously beautiful but she has a boyish body. I have no idea why so many women want to look like skinny boys, men don't find that attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 09:52 PM
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As far as handsome soccer players go Daley Blind is right up there, no homo.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 09:49 PM
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Do you watch porn? If so, do you have any interest in the pornstar's personal life?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 08:43 PM
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What happened for it to change? If the honest answer to this question is "lack of attraction", it can be a devastating thing to hear for either party. A lot of people assume that in a LTR you're supposed to just be attracted eachother all the time and that's it, when that's gone it's basically all over. That's why, unless you're talking to someone who wont take that answer emotionally and as an attack on their very being and worth as a human, I'd say it's highly ill-advised to communicate this t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 02:41 PM
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It's a momentary pornographic fantasy, he knows you're not a nurse, and he doesn't want you to look or act like an actual real-life nurse (since when are scrubs even remotely sexy?). It's the idea that women in respected and reputable positions of nurturing in society are actually secretly massive sluts that really want to just fuck their patients or students that is titillating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 12:58 PM
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There was a thread fairly recently criticizing TBP, the sub, for not offering good alternatives for example. True, that's pretty much the equivalent of making a morality/tone thread aimed at TRP. It's completely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 06:57 AM
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I don't have any bad feelings for him, all I can think of is that you can seriously mess up your life in one night. I'm exactly the same. It takes something really extreme to get me angry or hateful. I could lose everything I own tomorrow. My biggest concern will be how to replace the objects I need to get on with my life, everything else would be water under the bridge. Once a thing has happened, it's happened, there's no point wanting to turn back time and wishing it didn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 06:54 AM
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I like to picture feminists as having BO, moustaches and armpit bushes, shouting at everyone to stop having so much fun. The truth is, at least at my college, they wear make-up, high heels and push-up bras, get shitfaced at bars and go home with Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 06:48 AM
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To be fair, if you're a dude of average strength, you're stronger than 99% of women. If you were 5'4'', 110lbs wet through, with tiny shoulders, I guarantee you'd feel physically intimidated on a more regular basis, it'd be like living in a world dominated by gorillas and bears.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 06:38 AM
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The point is, the opposite is not true for men. We want to see you naked, we don't give a shit what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 06:34 AM
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When RPers talk of the BP, it's not in reference to the subreddit, it's in reference to the pill metaphor. It denotes those who subscribe to mainstream ideas of sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 06:09 AM
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Keep your discussions logical and your tone civil and non-defensive. Don't engage with anger or derailing. Shouldn't this be standard for any debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 06:03 AM
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A lot of people in TBP seems to view the world as being more randomized That's because, I suspect, a lot of dedicated BPers are on the fringes of society. They're the exceptions to the rules, so they assume that more people think and act like them than is actually the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 08:17 PM
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You've just come to the realisation that we're being emotionally-manipulated all the fucking time. By the socially-liberal definition, a huge portion of marketing is tantamount to "emotional abuse". All those ad campaigns that tap into your insecurities, those corporations are running mass dread game on the entire population.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 08:04 PM
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I think 99% is getting into the same territory you are noting about TRP, but that's a valid argument for argument's sake. Probably so, I just think in the age of social media, so many people have taken to espousing beliefs that they don't act upon or are otherwise incongruent with their real-life behaviour, just to make themselves look and feel better. I don't count such passively-held beliefs as valid. The majority of TRP will be the same, just lazy entitled dudes who've found an echo chamber t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 05:15 PM
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I personally think TRP has too high an opinion of its own scientific veracity. It's not much more than observation and anecdote, and I'd prefer it just admitted that because I don't really have a problem with it, it's the way 99% of us live our lives and form our worldviews anyway whether we're ready to admit it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 04:49 PM
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Fair enough. Have you not changed the premise of TRP points by saying "women's brains are incapable of x" rather than things like "men are better than women at x" or "most women do x", or even something like AWALT which a lot of TRP would also apply to men, a heuristic to use when dealing with people in real-world scenarios (as opposed to lofty academic ideals). I think you've done a bit more than stretch their point, you've warped it beyond recognition.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 03:19 PM
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Misanthropy is a dislike/hatred of humanity. It follows that the irrationally extreme misanthrope believes that humanity is evil. The opposite is surely true of philanthropy?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 02:54 PM
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How is it exaggerating? It's in the title. TRP doesn't claim that "women's brains are unable to do [bullet point] under any circumstances", it says that society and biology pushes women towards those tendencies, for various reasons. I personally believe much of it can be applied to men as well, but TRP isn't about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 02:50 PM
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Ok, bringing it away from gender. The premises behind misanthropy and philanthropy could both be taken to a silly logical extreme (everyone is evil, everyone is good), it doesn't automatically make either premise false.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 02:35 PM
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That's nice. What's the point of the thread? As someone who largely agrees with most of what TRP says, all I can respond with is "you're grossly exaggerating", but you already acknowledged that, so there isn't really any room for debate here is there?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 10:39 AM
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It's a realistic depiction of a world without Abrahamic religion and the beta male social contract of "being morally good will be rewarded in this life or the next".
/r/TheRedPill13/09/15 10:28 AM
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The films of Derek Cianfrance are almost dramatisations of the sidebar. His first movie, Blue Valentine (2010) is a painfully real blue-pill cautionary tale (it even has 'blue' in the title). You might look it up and think "romance starring Ryan Gosling and Michelle Williams....laaame". No, there are some very powerful scenes that might prove uncomfortably resonant with guys who haven't yet swallowed the pill. The Place Beyond the Pines filters TRP through a pulpy crime drama story. Seriously, f…
/r/TheRedPill13/09/15 10:23 AM
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with the advent of sexbots would cause a minority of men to withdraw and I said that was pathetic. It was actually the legalisation of prostitution. Also, the argument isn't how pathetic that is, it's how true it is. You still haven't convinced me that a considerable number of men will not drop out of the dating market in response. But maybe you don't even disagree with me on that because.... no one is going to miss a few neckbeards. This the crux of the issue isn't it? The very reason they're w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 06:38 PM
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Rather than learn self reflection/conflict resolution you'd crawl in your basement with your sexbot and videogames and live half of an existence. I'll admit, I presented a strawman argument, but then you return with the fucking wickerman of arguments. Also, good luck with the theory that humans are totally gonna self isolate when everyday we come up with a new app/way for meeting new people in person. Not totally, but there will be a significant minority who do withdraw, it's already happening, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 06:12 PM
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I'm not sure how you can make the jump from "the man is in a terrible situation" to "the man is unhappy". Then we probably have wildly different definitions of the word 'happy' and should just agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 05:27 PM
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I'm afraid I'm just not convinced that this philosophy and its subscribers can stand the scrutiny of true hardship. It's useful for philosophers and other academics sitting in comfortable seats, eating delicious food and discussing abstract concepts over a bottle of fine wine. The man in the trenches at the Somme, however much he may have accepted his situation, still knows that war is shit and he ceaselessly longs for it to be over so he can go home to his family and the comfort and safety of p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 12:31 PM
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happiness comes from within. I think this is only true to a point. Try living in Syria right now and tell me that happiness comes from within. This line of thinking has always been the product of lives comfortably lived, and it also tries to deny the connection between your emotional state and your sensory capacity (it doesn't matter how content with life I am, I'm not going to be happy freezing my nuts off in the Arctic Circle or in stifling equatorial heat).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 12:03 PM
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Just one nitpick: Fat Sally doesn’t earn an income at all. So really you don't get the full 3-5% tax benefits in their entirety, you've still got to support the fat lazy consumer sitting on your sofa all day.
/r/TheRedPill12/09/15 11:57 AM
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You're missing the point. The problem at hand isn't getting over the 'desire for sex', you're actually proposing that men should get over being sexually marginalised. This kind of marginalisation can be just as harmful as being socially or institutionally marginalised. Sure, a white male might be better able to get a job and earn money, but if he isn't getting laid he's just feeling a similar disenfranchisement as a black guy who grew up in the projects.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 10:25 AM
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It means it comes off as something you just pulled out your ass, and there's absolutely no reason you've presented that we should listen to you or your opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 10:18 AM
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People who do shit like this from either side really need to climb a fucking bridge and think about the decisions they've made in life. Dedicating time out of your day to "stir shit" in an internet community you disagree with. Where do you sad sacks of shit find the spare time?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 10:14 AM
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How pathetic is that? If they're happy, why is it pathetic? If someone chooses not to get married, have kids etc. (like many women do now) for the sake of their goals and passions, are they pathetic? Are they emotionally damaged people? Pretty old-school conservative way of thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 06:28 AM
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You have no concept of the emotional bond in a married couple do you? I do actually. 50% of them are a sham that ends in divorce, and some of the others that stay together do so begrudgingly, either through social pressure (religion/tradition), for the kids or because they're afraid of being alone. A minority of married couples are genuinely happy. The fact is, finding a true strong emotional bond with a woman is very rare and takes a lot of work. Humans are lazy, and find ways to avoid emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 06:20 PM
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There was no anger involved, no blaming of external forces, no feeling of being lied to. Just realization that I was a young and awkward nerd. You do realise that not every RPer goes through the anger phase, don't you? In fact it's probably just a loud minority. Try that, see how it works. I do plenty. I'm doing a liberal arts degree so if I didn't know how to be friends with women I wouldn't have any friends. I have no further interest in them however, they're all no more than casual friends be…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 03:57 PM
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Because they've roped in some other sap to do it for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 08:18 AM
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Why should they care about connecting on a human level? Is connecting on a human level even what they want, or is that what YOU want? This is where BPers stumble the most. They also equate human connection (what they want) with maturity, i.e. not desiring human connection and LTRs is a sign of immaturity. It's a shaming tactic, plain and simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 08:16 AM
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It disincentivises men to settle down into LTRs and provide for women in the long-term. Why go through the rigmarole of attracting and maintaining a relationship when you can just pay for the sex and get the companionship and emotional support from your friends (male or female) or a therapist? Over a 20-year period, you'd save money, especially when you factor in the 50% chance of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 08:09 AM
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I did the work to find out what women want So it's not just the same as you and other men? You seem to be describing a pretty RP journey. Women want different things from men, you've apparently recognised this and altered your behaviour accordingly to get what you want. Imagine if we changed the topic here from women to finance. Is a guy supposed to just know how to build a successful business through introspection and intuition? Some people, the truly exceptional entrepreneurial minds, probably…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 08:03 AM
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To be fair, their primary intention isn't to personify the alpha male, it's to create a rounded, flawed character that is somewhat accessible (being the protagonist). You'll never find a truly impenetrable person. Everybody has flaws.
/r/TheRedPill09/09/15 04:10 PM
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I'd say the only exception is Don Draper of Mad Men. It's a retrospective of a different time, so the writers can get away with far more. Also, the movie Blue Valentine is eerily reminiscent of a RP cautionary tale. It even has Blue in the title. Derek Cianfrance's other movie The Place Beyond the Pines is littered with TRP sentiment as well, and he's a darling of modern liberal cinema. He gets away with it because it's just so undeniably real.
/r/TheRedPill09/09/15 06:57 AM
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Of course they matter, but a dude can get laid semi-regularly if he gets his shit together.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 12:39 PM
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Yep. There are quantifiable ways that this guy could add a couple points to his SMV without even changing his shit personality. They're staring him in the fucking face whenever he looks in the mirror. The guy clearly thinks he's smart but he's actually a fucking dumbass.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 07:55 AM
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any form of running wears down on my knees and ankles after a week or so. I have the same problem. Rather than risk having shit knees in my 40s, I've decided to avoid running on hard ground like concrete altogether. When I'm back from college I do HIIT workouts in the living room, and when I go back I'll join some classes at the gym. These workouts are so much more dynamic and fun that jogging for 30 minutes, treadmills bore me to tears, so it's really ideal for me.
/r/TheRedPill06/09/15 09:04 PM
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'Chad' does not denote the stereotypical asshole douchebro. It's nothing more than a placeholder term for "guy who is more attractive than you". Nothing more, nothing less. If your woman cheated, she cheated with Chad. If you were second choice, Chad was first choice. If you're not the best she's ever had, Chad was. He's an archetype, a thought experiment to help newbies understand hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 08:51 PM
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Sure, it's a minority, but I reckon it's larger than you think. Like racists, they might not express their views openly because they know it's not socially acceptable, but there's still plenty of them around.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 08:45 PM
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It really depends on how indoctrinated they are in "just be yourself" and "you're perfect the way you are". When this inevitably fails to hold true in reality it can be a cause of a lot of emotional stress and cognitive dissonance. Plenty of people blame society, 'unrealistic beauty standards', fat shaming, or generally lament that people are too shallow and fail to see the 'good person' they are underneath the blubber and stale sweat.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 08:28 AM
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The reason I consider myself non-RP anti-BP is because I'm fairly certain that I'm asexual and therefore have always been able to view the SMP through a lens of objectivity that most people are unable to achieve (homosexuals often have the same perspective of the hetero SMP). Obviously it'd be hypocritical of me to claim to be following TRP lifestyle, as I wont be banging hot chicks, or anyone (female or male) for that matter. Also, I'm quite misanthropic in general, I have a dim view of human n…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 07:28 AM
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But honestly, does this even need to be advice told to anyone? Did anyone actually think women don't like men who take care of themselves or don't like men who do things? I'm just... huh? Ah, the common sense trap. Next time you go out in public, take a real good look at the people around you. In my country at least, the majority of people are overweight to obese. https://www.noo.org.uk/NOO_about_obesity/adult_obesity/UK_prevalence_and_trends Data on overweight and obesity among adults (defined …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 07:15 AM
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Great post, a couple of real 'aha' moments reading this. At 21 I feel I've found a semblance of direction in life. It feels like the beginning of a journey, and in my mind I have a rough guide, which is my understanding of myself, and the life goals which are emergent from this understanding. To me and - from what I can gather - other men, "understanding oneself" really boils down to knowing your strengths, weaknesses, likes and dislikes, and is otherwise useless information unless (as OP says) …
/r/TheRedPill05/09/15 11:27 PM
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Jesus. All this over a jar of olives. There's no fucking way I'm having kids if this is the shit I'd have to put up with.
/r/TheRedPill05/09/15 11:11 PM
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Yep. If you're going to post things to facebook it shows to others that you do actually care about cultivating an image and reputation on social media. If you are challenged and then decline to answer at all, you can't claim lack of interest in social media because you've already posted memes, it's incongruent and you could lose face.
/r/TheRedPill05/09/15 07:54 PM
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Also with the same pose/stance.
/r/TheRedPill05/09/15 06:22 PM
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Seriously though this is a big part of it. I'm sure drug addiction is far more widespread than is commonly known among Hollywood actresses over 25.
/r/TheRedPill05/09/15 08:25 AM
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The day after they first slept together she called me to come take care of her because she was hung over (which I did). Fuuuuck man. Just..what the fuck? Another gem I want to know if I can deal with or compartmentalize these feelings so I can regain some mental health and avoid having my relationships plagued by these thoughts/feelings. He wants a mental gymnastics coach to teach him how to bury his self-respect. He literally thinks that these feelings: I am just overwhelmed with bad feelings a…
/r/TheRedPill05/09/15 08:14 AM
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Money doesn't get them sexually aroused. There was actually a post on the frontpage recently of a study showing that women associate money with feelings of love/romance (men associate it with freedom and utility). Women are 100% sexually attracted to only looks. One of my good friends in college absolutely fucking slayed like nobody I've ever seen and he looked like a lanky rat. Like he had one of those thin rodenty faces, a long nose, and he was tall and skinny. He just oozed charisma and knew …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 07:32 PM
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The whole 'duty' thing might well be a hangover from Communism. For the greater good and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 07:25 PM
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Women are attracted to looks, money, status and personality/game. If you've got 3 of these you'll have a significant advantage over the vast majority of men. 4 of them means you're in the top few percentiles and you'll be drowning in pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 07:21 PM
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Look at the type of shit men are willing to go through to get laid. You mean like improving yourself, getting fitter, smarter, more confident etc. etc? Jesus, what maniacs.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 08:01 AM
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I think the implication is false. We're not made for any objective purpose. Besides, serving a greater purpose for the good of the community could probably be best served by not having a child. Devoting your entire life's energy to a purpose higher than purely biological seems far more noble, if that's the criteria we're using for the definition of a 'decent' life.
/r/TheRedPill02/09/15 05:37 PM
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At a glance, people oft cannot tell the difference between histrionics and real struggle. But there is an easy well to tell the difference. People who wear their struggle as a badge of honour, who wear it obviously - they are the histrionics. They become identarian with their struggle and feel the need to tell everyone about it. With those who don't wear it as a badge, there's a genuinely higher chance whatever struggle they purport to have faced is real. This is the truth. I haven't heard the w…
/r/TheRedPill01/09/15 10:15 PM
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From this point of view an "asshole" is a man who doesn't commit easily. Totally agreed. Think about the "asshole" guy in this video. What does he actually do that makes him an asshole? He lies about being too busy to see her, and is reluctant about getting in touch at a later date. That's it. He'd rather chill with his friend than see her, and his crime is to not be blunt about that fact.
/r/TheRedPill01/09/15 09:50 PM
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Yep. A woman will date as high as she believes he can reach. A woman settles for someone because that's the best she thinks she can do. If she's ever insecure about anything, it's about where she fits in the sexual hierarchy.
/r/TheRedPill01/09/15 09:47 PM
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Is the idea of the most physically fit and attractive men getting easy sex an unrealistic one? I don't think there's any resentment over this, it's just reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 05:36 PM
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the way they lament about football and lacrosse wut?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:57 PM
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You only have to look at the concept of 'The Personal is Political' to understand what feminism is truly about at the academic/philosophical level. The idea is basically a lazy semantic conflation of 'social' (i.e. society) with 'personal', that your daily personal decisions are a reflection of society and for the politically conscious and aware everything you do becomes a political statement. The whole concept creeps me the fuck out, it's eerily reminiscent of religious/cult ideas of the omnisc…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:26 PM
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With all due respect HSW, you don't strike me as representative of the average woman and I'd be surprised if you have more than 3-5 women in your "close circle". The description of sexual habits in college is very realistic, and would probably account for about 75% of attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:17 PM
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Someone has posted a link to this already but I'll throw it up in a post for the lazy. The Carousel is getting some play in PPD. There seems to be confusion on what the carousel is and how a girl racks up an N such that she's considered to be "on the carousel". Consider the typical North American girl. Let's call her "Jane". She's a 6 in attractiveness -- pretty enough to attract the hot alpha studs for sex but never for commitment; more than pretty enough to secure commitment from a beta provid…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:03 PM
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Different generations. I'd be shocked if it came out in the wash that your grandmother ever had a 'massive slut' phase, and I've never even met her.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 06:50 AM
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Agreed. It's not hard to play the progressive liberal card if the discussion ever comes up. Just describe it as an archaic throwback, and if she's liberal (she almost certainly will be) maybe even sprinkle in a little feminist rhetoric about how it's designed to keep women as possessions and all that.
/r/TheRedPill30/08/15 05:16 PM
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I wouldn't be so worried about this in my country but in the US every man and his dog owns a gun. Be careful who you piss off. An emasculated beta with nothing to lose can easily walk into a crowded place and massacre a dozen people. It's a horrifyingly regular occurrence.
/r/TheRedPill30/08/15 05:04 PM
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Maybe if the only thing stopping us from reverting to mindless apes is a gun to our head, we don't really deserve civilisation? I dunno. I wouldn't even call myself "sexually liberated" but I don't really like society so why should I care if it collapses?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 01:11 PM
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I've always had a problem with the "genuine interest" part of this advice. I'm not genuinely interested in other people, especially people my age (18-24). I walk into a bar/club for people my age (UK drinking age is 18) and all I see is a crowd of anonymous faces, very few of them worth spending time and effort to get to know when my friends are right here and I already know I like them and can have a good time with them. I might have to waste hours talking to pointless people to find 1 person w…
/r/TheRedPill30/08/15 10:29 AM
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So it's just coincidence that she doesn't find ANY men of other races attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 01:46 PM
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Not being attracted to other races. There are plenty of objectively good-looking non-white men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 11:00 AM
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Because the argument is a pointless waste of time and unnecessary stress.
/r/TheRedPill29/08/15 09:42 AM
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This is incredible, there must something else going on. All of Europe has high immigration, especially the more developed Northern European nations for obvious reasons. Countries like Germany, France, the UK etc. don't have stats like this. Perhaps police in Sweden are more broad in their definition of rape?
/r/TheRedPill29/08/15 09:24 AM
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There are a lot of non-specialised jobs out there that basically require degrees these days, simply because so many applicants will have one. It's a self-perpetuating problem, because unless you're going straight into a trade/vocational job, not having a degree puts you at a disadvantage. It's the prisoner's dilemma, we'd all be better off if degrees were more carefully distributed through the workforce to where they're really needed, but that 21 year old over there just got the job because all …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 08:02 AM
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Let me guess, she doesn't "believe" in soap or deoderant?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 07:49 AM
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Women don't necessarily love assholes. It's just that assholes are generally more confident and sexually aggressive and so will have a higher success rate (they'll also have a higher frequency of rejections, but they don't give a shit about that). They don't really care what other people think of them so they'll be more forward and take more risks with women. If they also happen to be physically attractive, they're going to absolutely slay.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 07:46 AM
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It is kinda racist though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/15 07:33 AM
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Never opening yourself up and being able to trust the person you want to spend the rest of your life with. I don't think there's anybody I'd want to spend the rest of my life with. I think it's sad that so many people can't be happy alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 05:42 PM
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Many peoples' identity is linked strongly to their job I'm sure you're right but it's dumb on their part. I can see why someone would link their identity to their career or profession but a particular job for a particular employer? The days of doing the same thing for one company your entire working life are over. This guy needs to wake up and grow up. it's up there with losing a loved one Oh come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 10:50 AM
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I don't think so. You can get other jobs. How insecure and emotionally fragile must you be to be reduced to a blubbering mess by redundancy? It's something that's happened to many millions of people up and down the country in the last 7 years. I'd want to tell the guy to pull himself together and start looking for work.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 07:48 AM
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I would advise my children don't subscribe to any rigid worldview or set of beliefs and ideas and that meaning is generally arbitrary and especially in modern society it is decided by subjective human experience. But definitely do not become BP, because the world will drain you dry and you'll come running back to me and your mother for answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 07:35 AM
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But what about the times when the dude genuinely has an issue that he'd like his partner's input on? I think that'd be alright in a framing of "I have this idea of how to solve my problem, what do you think?"...never a framing of "I have no idea what to do, what do you think I should do?", or any indication that the problem is overwhelming you or that you are reliant on her input/support. Also, don't start crying. Just yesterday there was a thread from /r/relationships from a woman who was visce…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 07:22 AM
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Is that definitely a case of discrimination? What if fat people are generally less hardworking, have less willpower/motivation etc.? It's amazing what being fit and healthy does for your energy levels throughout the day. A lot more can get done. All other things being equal, I'd hire the fitter-looking person (not facial attractiveness before anyone mentions that) every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 07:14 AM
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Why should I care about any of this? Why is it my problem that poor people are breeding too much?
/r/TheRedPill24/08/15 08:57 PM
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Or to be kept among trustworthy male friends over whiskey. I'm lucky enough to have a father I can open up to in the knowledge that I will be heard and understood at the very least. Not everyone has that luxury, and obviously it wont last forever.
/r/TheRedPill24/08/15 06:27 PM
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It's the social conditioning, it's our society. Oh, sweet summer child. There's a reason you're so angry, it's because you think there's a chance of changing human nature, if only the sheeple would wake up and initiate a mass social engineering project to make the world the way you want it to be. Just let go, you can't save the world, brave soldier. People are shitty, this is natural, this is known.
/r/TheRedPill24/08/15 06:18 PM
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Of course there are. I'd wager at least 20% of people never find a romantic relationship that can best be summarised as "satisfying and loving".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 01:48 PM
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It is self-worship so yes it is indecent. Why is it self-worship and even if it is, is that necessarily indecent?
/r/TheRedPill24/08/15 12:08 PM
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Other major powers across the globe had abandoned slavery long before the USA. It wasn't some leap into the unknown.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 07:10 AM
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Haha no, I'm British. Look out for Sacha Baron Cohen's next film, it's set in my hometown (yes it's that bad).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 07:03 AM
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It's important for you to know, so you're testing potential new people in your life. This is not necessarily a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 06:59 AM
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Just because not having kids doesn't immediately affect you doesn't mean it doesn't affect society. Society is dependent on it's individuals. So I owe it to society to have children? We are already too many, why do we need more?
/r/TheRedPill23/08/15 06:58 AM
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If you don't think the average black person has significantly greater obstacles to overcome than the average white person, then I don't know what else to say and we wont ever be on the same page. What I'm describing is the definition of a racist society.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 10:37 PM
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The point is, not everyone can be 'unplugged'. The system would crash. Think of how many industries exist based purely on how fucking dumb and lazy so many people are. A huge chunk of the economy disappears overnight. People also wake up to how fucking dull and pointless their job is, and quit to start their own business and follow their passions. It doesn't work under current understanding of macroeconomics.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 10:33 PM
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No. Civilisation is built on the backs of beta males who consent to being exploited by the upper class. Too many alpha males means too many self-interested and critical individuals. This is not good when the King wants cheap labour to build shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 10:23 PM
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Anyone who has a habit of asking questions that are ostensibly benign but undeniably loaded with a potentially wrong answer is giving shit tests. It could be as simple as asking a guy what he does for a living. On the surface it's totally harmless and it's not a good idea to get defensive about being asked...but at the same time there are definitely some wrong answers, it's a screening, a test. This is more female-specific because men generally don't care what you do for a living, within reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 10:19 PM
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As you can see from my flair, I'm no lover of feminism, but just FYI it's not hard to counter this argument by referring you to the standing of black people in society despite being technically equal before the law, segregation still looks to be alive and well in all but name in many places across America.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 10:10 PM
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Us millennials were raised by a relatively narcissistic generation in my opinion. Our parents told us how special we are, perhaps because they themselves were treated with the tough love of a generation that lived through a World War. We believe that our moment-to-moment experience is far more important than long-term planning and improvement. Subjective experience is king, future plans and the idea of delayed gratification have become some peculiar abstraction. We were raised by narcissists and…
/r/TheRedPill22/08/15 10:03 PM
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But why? What if you just don't want to settle down or you just don't like kids? Is that really so indecent?
/r/TheRedPill22/08/15 09:52 PM
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To be fair, that implies that anyone who doesn't want to get married and have children is morally deficient, which I strongly disagree with.
/r/TheRedPill22/08/15 07:13 PM
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You're giving me an isolated example that is obvious to agree with. I'm telling you that feminists teach in Universities that ALL behavioural differences are a construct, including aggressive behaviours.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 07:12 PM
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Just because a man is stronger than a woman doesn't imply that he's more aggressive than the woman when uninhibited. I'm not arguing the veracity of the original statement, that's irrelevant, I'm arguing that the feminist theory of 'gender as social construct' runs contrary to sexual dimorphism.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 04:30 PM
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there is nothing wrong with having sex with another consenting adult if you want to. No matter if you just met them 5 minutes before, or 5 years before. Do what makes YOU comfortable, as long as they are also comfortable with it. Period. It's of course correct that she did nothing morally wrong but that's completely missing the point. She's going about achieving her personal goals (a long-term relationship with a high quality male) in completely the wrong way, and she's being told that it's all …
/r/TheRedPill22/08/15 04:21 PM
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I was literally taught in University this year about 'gender as social construct' and how there's no difference between the genders other than our 'parts' and social norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 03:58 PM
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So older guys who like 20 year old women are "sexual predators". Feminists seem to think young women are like helpless retarded children.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 10:47 AM
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So this is what it comes down to? Feeeelings
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 09:02 AM
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Doesn't sexual dimorphism run contrary to the 'gender narrative' (for lack of a better term) portrayed by feminists? I.e. Don't feminists believe that men and women are not inherently different, uninhibited by social norms?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/15 07:42 AM
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Yep. You can achieve these benefits through intense introspection and meditation but it could easily take years to learn the things a night on psychedelics can teach you about yourself. I remember Tim Ferriss saying on JRE podcast that he spends a few days each year with a couple of friends (one of them stays sober or just smokes weed, in case of emergency) absolutely blitzed on mushrooms to do a complete mental reboot, allowing him to start afresh for the coming year with a total perspective sh…
/r/TheRedPill22/08/15 07:27 AM
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Meeting my perfect woman would surely imply that things would flow relatively naturally and it wouldn't be a very stressful relationship to maintain. Also the sex would be good anyway. Flings and spinning plates etc. sounds too much like hard work. I don't understand why any man would pick the latter. Women have an easier time of the latter, they don't have to maintain anything except their appearance, just show up, be entertained, and fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 08:15 AM
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Sounds stupid doesn't it? I was an idiot. This is the kind of thing beta guys do all the time. It was pedestalisation of attractive women. Losing weight opened my eyes to what is the most important thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 08:10 AM
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Of course, but I wasn't attracted to them. Is that where you're going with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 08:02 AM
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Both. They were each really nice and attractive girls, not popular party types by any stretch of the imagination. It was the combination of looks and personality that compelled me to overcome my social anxiety and ask them out. I was friends with them before, we've since drifted apart as we left for college but I have no resentment whatsoever, I was very unattractive so it's no wonder they rejected me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 07:59 AM
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I lost weight when I got rejected a couple of times (this was years ago before I knew what a redpill was). It was actually losing weight that opened my eyes to a lot of things, especially how we're really just animals that make instinctual and superficial attractions and assumptions about those we meet. I became, without wishing to brag, a good-looking physically fit guy in the space of less than a year from being borderline obese, so the change was quick and I was able to notice stark changes i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 07:43 AM
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Can it be on the sidebar somewhere about how TRP has no pretenses to fairness or morality? Even a healthy reminder that "Life is Not Fair" would do. I swear we get a couple of threads like this every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 06:31 PM
1

Couldn't it be argued that economics is emergent from evolutionary psychology? The two are surely inseparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 06:27 PM
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RPers often claim complete ignorance that showering and working out are included in the "be yourself" mantras. You sure about that? I highly doubt anyone of sound mind would suggest that showering is optional, and on the working out part... http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/29/uk-western-europe-obesity-study According to this article, a study has shown that most adults in my country are overweight. It's absolutely not obvious to most people that working out is necessary. Being unfit an…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 09:32 PM
1

In my opinion women don't bring anything to the table that men are incapable of, apart from sex or other kinds of romantic expression (depending your orientation). Isn't that what equality is all about? I'm a bit of a miserly, misanthropic loner so my opinion of women is low (along with men, but partly for different reasons).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 09:15 PM
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To me the latter just looks only marginally less vague and not significantly more helpful than the former. What if someone isn't sure what the best version of themselves is? What if your best qualities are not attractive to the vast majority of women? Should such a person just accept that they're going to be alone for extended periods?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 09:12 PM
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"friends". Do any of them know when your birthday is? Do they know anything about your favourite hobbies? If you asked them for a favour, do you think they would do it, no questions asked?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 07:59 AM
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Some might pursue "emotional connection" in a long-term relationship. This is no more or less meaningful, positive or universally beneficial than pursuing sexual gratification in casual sexual relationships. All life goals are ultimately arbitrary and equally meaningless/ful.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 05:33 PM
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TRP always blames relationship failure on the man. Even if she cheats, it's because you weren't as good as the other guy. Responsibility always lies at the feet of the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/15 05:26 PM
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The 7s are, in the minds of a beta, realistically attainable. The 9s/10s are kinda beyond the scope of their current reality, so they don't waste time thinking about it. It's like fantasising about being a billionaire, chances are it's never going to happen so even the deluded beta wont entertain the idea.
/r/TheRedPill17/08/15 07:22 AM
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What is the point in these threads/posts? Even if you were right, this isn't the place to discuss why you think TRP is "toxic" or immoral. Even if they agreed with your points they don't give a toss about other people's moral misgivings. The only question that matters to TRP is "does it help me achieve my goals?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 04:14 PM
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Who cares how people remember you? You wont be alive to see your legacy, the only thing that matters is what happens from the moment of your birth to the moment of your death. The test will come on your deathbed. Are you at peace? Do you have regrets? Anything else is just pointless noise. Chances are, you'll be completely forgotten about inside half a century.
/r/TheRedPill14/08/15 09:41 PM
2

Reply with a simple 'ok'. I like to keep my sentences short and sweet, usually one-liners. This is what I do. I try to come across as pleasant and oblivious to what they're doing, because it often gets them increasingly angry and sometimes I actually get a perverse pleasure out of watching people cut their nose off to spite their face.
/r/TheRedPill14/08/15 09:36 PM
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The best way to guage what feminism is would be to read the thoughts of influential writers and commentators in the movement. No, that doesn't include celebrities like Emma Watson. It means activists and academics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 04:08 PM
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Being an MRA is a waste of time. Unless it makes you happy to bang your head against a brick wall, it's all just pointless work and stress.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 10:53 AM
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I don't see how it's logically possible to have two equal people in any kind of relationship. There are no two identical people on the planet. Even if the power dynamic never comes into play, one of them definitely holds the upper hand, in absolutely every case. It only matters when one chooses to play that hand.
/r/TheRedPill14/08/15 10:33 AM
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The older I get the more I see the truth in this. This is really the heart of conservative thought, that we are really just frightened egos clinging to survival in a fleshy animal shell.
/r/TheRedPill14/08/15 10:18 AM
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Fair enough. Nah I didn't watch the game but caught the highlights. Crazy stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 10:14 PM
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Is the guy playing professionally? If so, out of sheer curiosity (as a Brit I'm naturally a big football/soccer fan) would you be comfortable PMing me his name?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 09:55 PM
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People who need to use the internet to make friends...I bet they're a catch.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/15 01:49 PM
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So basically women are just for fucking and men will be your friends? Not necessarily. The point is, don't expect a woman to be good for anything more otherwise you're most likely setting yourself up for disappointment. What if you don't have any male friends to the level you're expecting? Then your environment is shit.
/r/TheRedPill12/08/15 01:46 PM
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If they lose their virginity at 14/15 as is common for attractive girls, they only have to average 3 different partners per year to hit a count of 24 by age 22. It's more common than you think.
/r/TheRedPill12/08/15 01:41 PM
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I smell a troll. I know things like this do happen but this is just too perfect in conforming to the stereotype.
/r/TheRedPill11/08/15 05:23 PM
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Any old chump can send death threats. She's a public figure, with all the information out there it probably wouldn't take me that long to find her address.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 01:54 PM
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He knows that it's a consolation prize at best. That's part of what makes it funny, and why everyone laughs despite the fact that in any other context it would be extremely controversial to feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 01:44 PM
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How many hobbies do / did you have? You do realise that this path of rhetorical argument you're going down suggests self-improvement? I.e. Using hobbies to make yourself happier and your life more interesting. OP's entire post is about how society discourages self-improvement in favour of "you're a perfect special snowflake just the way you are".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/15 01:42 PM
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Nah, he's a rock bottom situation away from changing his stance on women. From what I can gather, before he met my sister, he had no trouble at all with women. This LTR has certainly dulled him.
/r/TheRedPill10/08/15 06:53 AM
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One of many reasons why marriage is a sham.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 09:04 PM
3

Any examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 08:59 PM
1

You cant be a liberal and a marxist, they are mutually exclusive. This is probably a confusion of terms on my part but Marxism refers to economic policy whereas most 'liberals' would consider themselves so in relation to social policy. One can support worker ownership of industry and believe in gay marriage, pro-choice etc. That'd be a liberal Marxist, at least how I'd term it as a non-American.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 08:54 PM
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Doxxing isn't very difficult, especially of a public figure like Sarkeesian.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 08:46 PM
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I have made this point, time and time again, and I recall /u/gaylubeoil has also made the same point. The problem with bloopers is they do not understand literature. They don't understand literary devices, satire, exaggeration, humour, etc. Agreed. We're dealing with the kind of people that would read A Modest Proposal and denounce Jonathan Swift as a classist monster advocating cannibalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 08:42 PM
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I open doors for everyone within a reasonable distance behind me because I'm a generally pleasant and polite person. Same, this isn't about being 'gentlemanly' to me, it's just common courtesy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 03:03 PM
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It wouldn't get published. Simple as that. Nobody would dare touch it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 02:59 PM
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It's pure morality policing. Plus he's an asshole and a zealot anyway. People like this have skeletons in their closet. He's probably secretly gay and loves going to orgies and getting spitroasted by men, but is deeply and religiously ashamed of it. At the very least I bet his porn history is...interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 02:56 PM
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This quite simply wouldn't be allowed if you flipped the genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 02:54 PM
2

I want to grab the men by the ears and shake the shit out of their skulls. They'd probably just let out a pathetic whimper of pain and start crying. Is it any wonder women find these men pathetic? They're pretty much asking to be exploited. They practically beg women to take their time and resources. It's a seller's market for women looking for beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 08:36 AM
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You seem to think that feminism has only campaigned to end violence and sexual harassment against women. This is obviously not the case, it goes much deeper than that especially in third-wave feminism. Now the emphasis is much more about what you say, you have to be very careful about what you say to a woman these days, but not so much to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/15 08:28 AM
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I "opened up" to a couple of female "friends" last year (separately, to two otherwise unrelated people). It killed both friendships stone dead and they stopped speaking to me so I cut them out of my life. Yeh, I have some issues, but it's really just your bog standard depression and anxiety shit, nothing 'creepy' or potentially dangerous. If you're a man, people absolutely do not want to know about your hang-ups, however common or minor. You're on your own. Lesson learned. It will never happen a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 11:20 PM
2

I don't really care if its scientific. It works, therefore it is useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/15 02:13 PM
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Care to expand? Asserting that I'm wrong without explaining why is pointless...
/r/TheRedPill08/08/15 06:31 AM
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You don't have to socialise with your equals, just make sure you get on good personal terms with superiors. Do enough work to a sufficient quality to avoid standing out or being considered a poor worker, just blend in somewhere in the middle. What is important is being seen as a good "team player". Do what is asked of you and don't definitely don't do anything that makes your superior look bad.
/r/TheRedPill08/08/15 06:29 AM
2

Does this really need to be said? Only the truly lost boys in society aren't aware of the many pitfalls of dating single mothers. Even in the mainstream, the vast majority of guys don't want some other guy's kid on the scene. They might not subscribe to RP principles on the matter but even just the complication of her kid is enough to put most betas off, especially if they're young.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 10:17 PM
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Yep, it's brilliant. One of those pieces that gives you regular 'aha' moments as it completely shifts your perspective on real-world scenarios.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 10:12 PM
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Yeh the biotruths are dumb. But ultimately I don't think the reasons matter. Nature or nurture, I do think most of what TRP says about female behaviour is accurate, at least from personal experience. Determing the biological root cause of human behaviour is less important than being able to map a specific society/culture and navigating it to achieve your personal goals. Black people aren't inherently more aggressive than white people, but as a white guy you still shouldn't walk through the ghett…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 04:32 PM
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exclude women from the conversation Is there anything inherently wrong with this? Bear in mind TRP isn't trying to change society.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 04:11 PM
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People who overperform are almost universally taken advantage of. They'll be promoted only up to the point where they can be taken advantage of the most - middle-management, aka senior management's bitch. At the lower levels your job performance doesn't matter anywhere near as much as your skill as a politician. Making friends and influencing people is paramount.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 04:07 PM
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Well I think most terrorists do what they do with the idea that they have nothing else to live for. This is probably the case for a lot of them but don't underestimate the power of ideological/religious brainwashing. Many Muslims have left their relatively comfortable Western lives to go fight for IS.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 12:48 PM
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Wrong. TRP is not happy with it. You'd think this would be obvious when you look at all the anger phase noobs. At best, TRPers make peace with reality and learn how best to navigate it in relation to their personal goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/15 12:46 PM
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If anything I lose weight at college, because I work out with the same intensity as I do at home but often slack on my diet and eat too little, I hate cooking and I get real lazy when learning something I hate. Plus all the alcohol ruined my gains. I've pledged to cook at least 5 good meals per week this coming year though. If I can at least make some muscular weight gain I'll be delighted, because the initial bodyfat cut is almost inevitable as I don't buy any junkfood at all (compared to home …
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 12:40 PM
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My sister is about to start college. She's been in a LTR for what must be about 2 years now with a great guy who's become a good mate of mine. She's got her head screwed on more than most girls I've ever met, but AWALT and my gut says that their days are numbered. It's a shame because the guy has clear alpha potential, the framework is all there but he has one too many beta tendencies and is an only child, a HUGE mummy's boy and his family is loaded so he's never really had to work for anything …
/r/TheRedPill07/08/15 12:34 PM
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All posts referencing TRP media can be boiled down to three words: Watch Mad Men. It is a dramatisation of the sidebar. Society might have changed since the 60s but women haven't.
/r/TheRedPill06/08/15 07:10 AM
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Interesting. In the UK 90% of our sense of humour is dry and self-depricating, so I can see why things like jokingly personal attacks might come off as arrogant or douchey. It really depends on the audience, and how familiar you are with them. Guy friends will rag on eachother and it's nothing, but its not really the done thing to do it with guys you just met.
/r/TheRedPill06/08/15 06:57 AM
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Mz. Beckham strikes me as a "too dumb for humor in general" type of woman. I remember the black Spice Girl was on UK comedy panel show 8 Out of 10 Cats (at least I think it was that) and she was exactly the same. Why turn up on a show and sit with professional comedians if you can't take a fucking joke? The worst part is when a humourless person tries to 'take on' a comedian at their own game with wit, they predictably fail completely every time and look an idiot. At that level of comedy you hav…
/r/TheRedPill06/08/15 06:52 AM
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Strawman is surely the most common on this sub. Erecting an imaginary and inaccurate version of the opponent to argue against happens in almost every thread from both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 11:27 PM
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Of course, what they fail to acknowledge is that even high SMV men need and want companionship, emotional intimacy, and to share a life with someone. Meh. Not all men are like that ;) Seriously though, marriage is an outmoded relationship model antithetical to modern sexual liberation and social freedom. No-fault divorce essentially reduces it to a lifestyle choice to be discarded when dissatisfied with the results, the only barriers to exit being significant financial cost. It's an economic ris…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 09:16 PM
2

So...what? Is our fem-centric social conditioning (by the late boomers and early Generation X) a result of our immaturity?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 08:40 PM
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Your brain is hardwired to make assumptions and stereotypes in general, of everything in your environment. In a different culture, or in the past before models and tech fields were a thing, the assumptions were different but they still existed. Are you just being pedantic now?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 07:45 PM
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Future generations will be exactly the same. They might be more sensitive to stereotypes, but their brain will still be hardwired to form them, like all humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 07:14 PM
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Feminism isn't going to change this. You and I both make assumptions about people automatically within seconds of seeing them, before we ever speak to them in fact. We cannot help this. Sure, it might not be appropriate to express these assumptions to their subject or others, but they are made nonetheless. We could change society and the culture all we like, we'd just find new stereotypes and associations for people's appearances.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 05:00 PM
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it starts with stupid little assumptions like thinking that people are actresses just because they are pretty and a woman then act shocked that they work in something more tech related. What about a handsome, muscular man? Would people sooner assume he's say a model or fitness instructor...or a software programmer or male nurse? People make assumptions about others based on first impressions. It's nothing to do with the patriarchy, it's just a natural animal instinct. We assumed that the large p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 04:15 PM
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Sure, there might be a quota. But does that mean that people should treat her with outright hostility? Any underqualified manager has to play their cards very carefully otherwise they won't be able to command respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 04:03 PM
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Erm nope. Millennials are generally considered to be the current 18-30 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 03:00 PM
2

That the social sciences are soft science and self-reporting is extremely unreliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 07:30 AM
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Maybe things are different in the UK but I can't remember the last time I witnessed catcalling. Public interaction with strangers is frowned upon in general, unless you're an old person who doesn't give a fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 07:26 AM
5

Reading the sidebar. What the fuck is a skeleton in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 07:18 AM
2

No. Any fertile woman can have a baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 07:12 AM
1

A beta can make up for his lack of alpha-attractiveness by providing, Dude, you're basically saying that all women are whores.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 10:36 PM
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The difference is that we are quite open about the fact that we are not nice at all, we are shitty people. Nah man, I see plenty of well-received posts on TRP talking about how men are morally superior to women. It's absurd, really. Society can be a real nasty, sociopathic place to live in and pulling the wool over people's eyes isn't a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 10:33 PM
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https://headbandsandheartbreak.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/james-rodriguez.jpg http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Radamel-Falcao2.jpg Good-looking Colombian dudes become footballers and leave for Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 09:06 PM
0

Most stuff that happens seems unrealistic and unbelievable to people who don't live the lifestyle. This is important to note. I grew up in a shithole town, people at college don't believe me when I talk about what life is like there, they've all grown up in sheltered middle-class areas and don't have a fucking clue. Solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 09:01 PM
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Number 2. Easily. Even though I don't have much desire for casual sex, I don't want to get married so repeated proposals would mean having to repeatedly deliver great emotional pain to people. I ultimately want to be left alone, so a casual fuck and a goodbye would be fine by me. I can find emotional connections with friends and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 07:37 PM
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I don't discriminate with AWALT. I believe in APALT, all people are like that. Don't fucking trust anyone except your immediate family, and if you were unlucky to have a shitty family then I'm sorry but when the chips are down you are on your own, especially if you're a man. RP seems to think men are inherently more honourable and trustworthy than women. This is a mistake, and I'm not sure how it can be reconciled with a devotion to Greene's 48 Laws and Machiavellianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 07:11 PM
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In the upper echelons of society, marriage is political. It is useful to be seen to be able to handle a marriage as well as your demanding career, it shows you have your shit together, you're grounded and trustworthy, you care about legacy and the long term, you're less likely to be reckless with your business/career choices etc. It basically identifies you (accurately or not) as a 'reasonable' man with whom you can pleasantly do business.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 09:56 PM
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The problem isn't teachers. Some of mine were great. It's the guidelines they have to follow, like you say to not let the stragglers feel too stupid.
/r/TheRedPill01/08/15 04:35 PM
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The vows say "in sickness and in health", and "til death do us part". I don't see marriage vows as some meaningless platitudes or ceremonial decoration, said to be broken once things get difficult or boring. I take my word very seriously, which is why I'd never take vows that lock me down until one of us dies.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 04:21 PM
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It says there's an "unconscious conspiracy" to rob men of sex through media and "fairytales" about morality. Rob men of sex? Where does it say anything about that in OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 04:15 PM
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I'm helping you to not blame women for your own inadequacies. Except TRP explicitly says that it's the man's responsibility for his own sex life. If he's having a bad time, he needs to improve himself. You just disagree with the prescription, the diagnosis is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 03:51 PM
2

Well TIL. Thankyou very much for the informative post :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 03:43 PM
2

Sorry, but it's not my job to make people happy. If you're not going to offer anything helpful then why don't you keep your opinions to yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 03:41 PM
1

Yes please. The second paragraph of my post was a big "IF" so I'm happy to be corrected.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 09:06 AM
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I don't even see how this is related to crime. It's called an analogy. Yes black people are over represented in prison, and yes, it is their own fault - that is, the faults of the individuals who are in prison, and not the black race as a whole. Fair enough, at least you're not a hypocrite. By contrast, I do not see sufficient evidence that women today are brainwashed by feminism or whatever hokey-ass reason Redpillers and nice-guys give for not being able to get laid. Is there anything wrong wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 08:03 AM
2

So...HIIT? I thought its been well-established that HIIT is by far the most efficient fat loss exercise method?
/r/TheRedPill01/08/15 07:30 AM
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Do you say the same about criminals? Is it all black people's fault they they're grossly overrepresented in the prison population, or does their upbringing and environment have something to do with it? You can't hold double standards when it comes to responsibility politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 07:10 AM
0

Doesn't oxytocin (bonding hormone, more powerful for women than men) work in a similar way to dopamine, in that you require an ever-increasing dosage to feel the same effects? I remember reading that somewhere anyway. If it's true, then it means that the effects of long-term promiscuity include greater difficulty in pair-bonding. Sex means less emotionally, has less significance, there's less of a barrier to cheating because sex is less of a big deal. A woman desensitised to oxytocin basically b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 07:06 AM
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I think it's a misconception of the term "rational actors". When you realise that we're really just intelligent animals, then the value of diamonds is explained. They're shiny and pretty and we're monkeys (however intelligent) so we instinctively like them. Extrapolate this to sexuality, and you have evolutionary psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 10:12 PM
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They put women sexually on the pedestal Is it pedestalisation to pursue, in their eyes, their biological imperative as a male?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 09:53 PM
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But economic principles presuppose rational actors - in the context of sex & relationships I think that is an extremely incorrect assumption to make. Surely this is no different from any other context involving humans. There's nothing inherent to diamonds that makes it rationally more valuable than water. The value of a good/service is not objective or universal, it's arbitrary and subject to market forces. I don't see how the sexual marketplace is any different from a barter system. We all have…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 09:48 PM
2

I say "a little" because compared to the horror stories I heard before my freshman year, it hasn't been that bad. I can't say I've been made to feel shamed, or been lectured on how to behave as a man, or that the male gender was especially attacked in any way. I just have to pay lip service to things like gender roles and 'gender as construct'.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 04:59 PM
1

I think you're being conservative with your estimates there dude. It's way more than 10%.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 04:43 PM
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Whilst this sounds like bullshit (the story is too 'perfect' for my liking), I can tell you that studying in a Liberal Arts Major you do have to play the feminism game a little, and it's really not very difficult. The logical steps are trivially easy to trace and regurgitate. I tend to avoid feminist-slanted classes and assignment questions simply because it's nowhere near intellectually challenging enough, compared to say Marxism or certain schools of philosophy. When writing, I feel too much l…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 10:47 AM
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Yeh, she was a very poorly-written character, but then the whole film wasn't particularly well-written in my opinion. This is nothing to do with any "problematic" issues with regards to feminism. It's important to me as an English major to be able to view a story through numerous lenses. I always try to stop myself from letting my moral/ideological beliefs interfere with my enjoyment and interpretation of a movie, or appreciation of a character. The criminals in The Wire are almost entirely desp…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 08:43 AM
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nothing beats real, physical contact with a woman. I'll accept that nothing can adequately replicate the experience of real sex (at this time), but to say that nothing can "beat" it? I'm talking about below average women here. The sex is unlikely to be mindblowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 07:52 AM
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We don't live in a rape culture. The concept is ridiculous. Rape is considered arguably the most heinous crime one can commit barring murder, and anyone publicly accused of it can have their reputation destroyed regardless of guilt/innocence. Due to the nature of the crime, it's incredibly difficult to convict, and the process of achieving conviction will be stressful for the victim because they have to recount the experience because that is the way the law works. It has to be proven beyond reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 07:27 AM
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Like any kind of porn, it's an effort/reward calculation. A lot of men have to put in huge effort to attract below average women. Those men could just press a few buttons on a computer and jack it to porn, and achieve a similar level of sexual gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 07:21 AM
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This is something that happens to anyone with extreme attachments to ideologies. Radfems, fundamentalist religious people, tryhard TRPers, they see their chosen belief systems in every facet of life and cannot enjoy things that don't align with their worldview. The fact that the Bechdel test even exists is hilarious to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 07:06 AM
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I wouldn't think I'd be that awkward, I certainly wouldn't try as hard as him, but then I've never put myself in his situation where I have to go on a date with her and make conversation for the cameras.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 07:00 AM
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Honestly, I wouldn't have a fucking clue how to talk to a woman like that. Not because I'd be intimidated by her beauty (she's not that great, 7/10), but because I just wouldn't know how to relate, and wouldn't be able to feign interest in anything she had to say. I'm extremely introverted so I pick and choose my social interactions very carefully. She wouldn't even appear on my radar unless she approached me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 09:39 PM
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Can someone give me a tl;dw? I can imagine, but are there any cringe gems in there?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 09:31 PM
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I mean, what kind of workplace is going to be ok with bringing your SO in to do your job for you? It means if you're telling him the latest office drama and something's clearly getting to you, his automatic response might be to figure out a way to end the drama, rather than utterly pointless agreement and consensus which tends to just fuel further drama in the future, at which point he'll be told chapter 2 of the Pointless Office Bullshit show. We don't want to hear about what's going on with pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 09:07 PM
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What's important to me is that if he didn't cover with feminist ideology, would you give a fuck? If you do, you're just as bad as the feminists with whom you have a problem with. I couldn't care less what sexual kinks people have. Just don't claim to need society to change in order to enjoy them. Most people also don't care and would much rather you just keep it between you and your sexual partners than air it in public. Fuck the haters, for lack of a better term.
/r/TheRedPill29/07/15 05:25 PM
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Not necessarily. The most popular people in my highschool were the funny guys, life of the party types. They'd occasionally use their powers for evil but usually they were just cool as fuck and knew how to get people to genuinely like them and want to be around them.
/r/TheRedPill29/07/15 05:13 PM
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He said he's "tired of feeling unmanly". He's demonstrating a very feminine insecurity in his own sexual identity = he's being a bitch. If he enjoys weird kinky shit, then fucking own it and don't hold up fucking signs saying you "need" society to change for you to feel good about yourself.
/r/TheRedPill29/07/15 04:49 PM
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a false-flag operation It's so cute that they care so much.
/r/TheRedPill29/07/15 04:43 PM
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Reminds me of something I read about recently... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_experimentation_in_Africa#Forced_sexual_reassignment_in_South_Africa_-_1970s-1980s In a project headed by Dr. Aubrey Levin during the 1970s to 1980s, South Africa’s apartheid army forced white lesbian and gay soldiers to undergo ’sex-change’ operations. This was part of a secret program to purge homosexuality in the army.[5] It included psychological methods, chemical castration, electric shock, and other unet…
/r/TheRedPill29/07/15 04:36 PM
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Of course, but that reputation is social proof, nothing more nothing less. It's not hard proof of anything else, like your true nature or your true intentions.
/r/TheRedPill25/07/15 08:13 PM
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My argument isn't anti-porn. I'm actually saying that porn is so effective these days that millions of men across the globe can't be bothered with real women anymore. I'm not making any further judgment, I'm just stating a fact and explaining it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 08:07 PM
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I do not believe the TRP ideal is an "alpha" male, it is a civilizational anglo scandinavian high beta male, the patriarch. Civilisations are just more complex forms of tribes. Tribes have always followed rules. Wolf packs have rules. The wolf that strikes out on his own and starves or gets mauled by a bear because he didn't think about the consequences is not an alpha. The wolf that rules the pack and has the pick of the females is the alpha, but he's not born that way, he has to rise through t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 06:42 PM
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It's important to note that Venkat was inspired to formulate his ideas after watching the show. It's emergent from the US Office, based on the UK original created by Ricky Gervais. The social and corporate dynamics in both shows are roughly the same and the broad ideas translate well. Whilst it is a fictional comedy, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that Gervais knew exactly what he was doing in writing this show the way he did. He's a very intelligent man who worked in an office for many yea…
/r/TheRedPill25/07/15 06:33 PM
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Prisoner's dilemma. It'd be beneficial for all of us if we all just got along.....but in reality those who decide to go their own way often succeed to a far greater degree.
/r/TheRedPill25/07/15 06:24 PM
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A man. Why do you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 06:13 PM
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Alpha males don't care about consequences, Of course they do. Everything they do is about self-interest. It's decidely not in anybody's interests to end up in jail out of some misguided attempt at asserting dominance over a woman. It's not hard to achieve that same goal through words. Compare that to asserting dominance over a man...now that sometimes calls for violence. An alpha male in a gang could make a rational self-interested decision to commit an act of violence. Would he need to do so in…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 06:12 PM
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Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Porn shows some of the most beautiful women in the world doing some nasty shit...it's hilariously unattainable to the vast majority of men in this world. The alternative is mediocre sex from mediocre (at best) women. It's a perfectly rational effort/reward calculation. What gets you the most gratification for the least effort? What benefits are there to pursuing relationships with real, realistically-attainable women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 05:49 PM
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You've got to be trolling. The consequences are very real. All a woman has to do to get a guy locked up is to call the police and pretend that he hit her. Giving her a perfectly good excuse to do so is the definition of stupidity. As a woman, I don't expect you to understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 05:42 PM
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I've rejected a few people and know of several others who've been interested over the years. I also get approached by girls in bars/clubs (UK legal age is 18 so I've been going out for more than 3 years now (fake IDs)).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 04:01 PM
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Yep. Being abusive is childish. It's lashing out because you've completely lost your composure and have allowed someone to influence your emotional state so much that you're reduced to a temper tantrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 01:43 PM
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pill does not work as well on people over 170 lbs. That's about the average weight of women in the US Holy fucking shitballs. American women are FAT.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 09:41 AM
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Not a true feminist Gotcha!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 09:34 AM
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Why is it part of the problem? I can accept that someone would disagree with its prescription, but TRP diagnosis of society seems generally correct for the majority of the population. Most people are losers, and copying what losers do is counterproductive. Where one goes from that logical foundation is up to them, but it's an important principle to start with in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 09:31 AM
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Do you get boners during the day? Depends what I'm doing. I don't get random boners when I'm out and about and my mind is on other things, but if I'm bored at home I will because my mind will drift. Do you jerk off fairly frequently? Most days. Like 5 times a week. I actually went 4 days without last week and balls were aching on day 4. I guess that's my limit. This is so alien to me. I know it's abnormal. I sometimes wonder if porn has desensitised me to real women, but I don't exactly watch it…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 07:41 AM
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I suspect I'll be the same as you. I'm a good-looking guy who works out, I know for a fact I can get semi-regular sex if I wanted it. I just...dont. I'm 21 and a virgin. Can't see myself bothering with sex in the forseeable future. It'd probably only happen if a woman really insisted on having sex with me and openly expressed this desire, in which case I'd give it a go in the spirit of trying new things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 07:25 AM
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Which is to say, a situation where both parties aren’t (or say they aren’t) sleeping with anyone else, spend the majority of their time together and are, for all intents and purposes, a couple, yet stave off labeling themselves as such so as to leave the door open for the ~ possibility ~ of sleeping with someone else. I haven't seen any poly relationships yet (I'm 21) but for people my age in my circles this is pretty much standard. I know of very few couples my age that 'advertise' (for lack of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 07:19 AM
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If my sister interfered with my life like that I'd be fucking furious. Absolutely none of her business.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 07:10 AM
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It is, in fact, about insecurity. Insecurities are only detrimental if they're preventing you from achieving your goals. Some people really don't need "personal intimacy".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 06:04 PM
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I don't do slow state, I do HIIT.
/r/TheRedPill24/07/15 03:27 PM
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I'm at an age where I'm just stepping into mainstream adult society. I am not impressed. People seem to be getting progressively more miserable, cynical and disillusioned. More and more people are revealed to be depressed, or are becoming depressed due to their shit life. They become emotionally numb on medication, unable to change their circumstances. People are getting more socially isolated by social media and smartphones. Their bodies are getting fatter and their minds duller as they indulge…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 01:45 PM
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Better than getting no/very few women at all? Actually, I'd say being alone is way better, but some men disagree and value sex more highly than I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 01:39 PM
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Whilst we aren't necessarily taught that women are wonderful, we are certainly taught that men are bad, whilst women are not. By extension, women are generally held in higher moral regard than men. So, if a man is good-natured and generally means well, he often grows up with the assumption that women are at least as good-natured, if not more so than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 01:36 PM
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You think sexual intercourse with someone you don't care for is masturbation? You're playing on semantics to make a point but the two things you're comparing are fundamentally different.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 12:49 PM
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I do cardio mainly to keep my heart and lungs strong. I have asthma, it's not a good idea for me to just let my lungs rot, I'd be back on the inhalers in a matter of months. My lifting performance is also much better when I have more stamina.
/r/TheRedPill24/07/15 10:46 AM
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Considering the increasing numbers of overweight/obese/unhealthy-skinnyfat people and the increasing instances of depression and/or use of anti-depressants, I rather think this "sense" of self-improvement is becoming more and more uncommon. It's slowly but surely being replaced by videogames, porn, reality TV, medication and fat acceptance. It's completely disingenuous to call a path of serious self-improvement "common sense", because people who pursue it are in the distinct minority. I suspect …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 07:18 AM
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The concept of a teenager is modern one. Modern social norms are nothing compared to our primal desire to have sex with young, virile, healthy people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 07:10 AM
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Except it is sex. Short for sexual intercourse. You've just pulled that out of your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 07:09 AM
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Just watch Mad Men. It's predicated on a time when society implicitly understood and internalised TRP. In fact most of the truly great TV shows are brimming with the cold hard facts of life, and that's partly why they're so successful. They don't present what the writers think life and people should be like, they present what life and people are really like, often on the extreme edges of society where the truth is pronounced and openly discussed. The Wire, Breaking Bad, Sopranos, True Detective …
/r/TheRedPill23/07/15 07:03 AM
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He'd certainly need a more relaxed and pragmatic approach to morality to achieve anything.
/r/TheRedPill23/07/15 06:48 AM
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He got 375000$ for that study What's the average for a study? That seems absolutely absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 08:54 PM
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I haven't read her new book but Atticus Finch in TKaM is probably my ideal of masculinity. Unfortunately his kind of unwavering loyalty to an abstract morality is of a bygone era (also fictional). I think Finch would be a depressed and lonely man in real-world 2015, a bitterly disappointed idealist.
/r/TheRedPill22/07/15 07:51 PM
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I can't see myself settling. I don't forsee ever wanting children. That's not to say I'll never have a change of heart but as of now I see no benefits other than a genetic legacy. By extension, the only good reason in my view to ever settle down in a LTR or marriage is for the purposes of child-rearing. I can get all other benefits of a LTR/marriage by other less costly/risky means. Not only do I not want to settle into a LTR, I don't want to settle down geographically. My ideal lifestyle would …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 04:19 PM
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Everybody sucks at the beginning with almost any performing art, and from what I can gather this is especially the case with standup. People telling others what to do with their lives comes from a place of insecurity.
/r/TheRedPill22/07/15 03:26 PM
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Society wouldn't last very long in its current model. Capitalism requires a healthy number of people consenting to be exploited in order to create profit. Marriage (or even cohabitation) is a commitment that forces most males to make a losing economic bargain with the capitalist. They are the Losers of the Gervais Principle. Of course, if everyone became RP they wouldn't immediately be able to change their economic situation, but they would be consciously and selfishly striving to do so. Power d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 02:44 PM
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Despite all of my relatives and friends thinking I'm mental for doing this Judge your friends by how they react to a man doing something unusual with the intent of self-improvement and adventure. If a friend of mine said he was doing this, I'd wish him good luck and the only caution I'd give him is to be safe while he's out there. Even if you're convinced a guy is heading for disaster, never deprive him of the learning opportunity.
/r/TheRedPill22/07/15 08:05 AM
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Yeh, TRP is descriptive rather than necessarily prescriptive. It says "this is what happens you do xyz" rather than "you should do xyz".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 08:02 PM
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Physical strength. Isn't it obvious? Just because I point out that society forbids its use in relation to gender interactions doesn't mean I wish we could rape someone. I'm pointing out a flaw in OP's argument, that because men are stronger and can physically manipulate people then it's fair game for women to emotionally manipulate people (and not ok for men to do it).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 12:22 PM
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There was a thread within a post earlier that discussed social constructivism vs. moral absolutism. Both are commonly held by BPers in the areas that feel good to them. Morals are either just as socially constructed as gender roles and gender itself, or none of them are. You can't pick and choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 12:19 PM
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Again, where have I said that I wish I could use them? The ability of some people to see different words from what are typed on the screen is mindboggling. Are you by any chance a woman? Putting words into people's mouths is something women are particularly adept at.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 12:05 PM
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Could you point out where I've said that I'm upset?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 07:25 AM
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Discerning truth and untruth in FRs really comes down to intuition. Some of them are just written in a way that they're believable. Others just aren't. I don't really bother with them tbh, they're generally too situation-specific, and really only useful for the tl;dr bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 08:22 PM
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Civilisation operates outside of darwinian imperatives. It is artificial, and it is built on the backs of the exploited lower classes (beta males). Thing is, they only accept exploitation if you throw them a treat every now and then, pat them on the head and tell them they're a good boy. That's where the wife comes in. The betas have a breaking point. The danger comes when a disenfranchised alpha sociopath organises them, they violently overthrow the Government and dust off the guillotines.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 09:37 PM
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men already have the physical upperhand. But this is by and large eliminated by law and society's repression of violent tendencies. We're not really allowed to use our inherent advantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 07:51 PM
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You're absolutely right. As a liberal myself (but not BP) I don't see how or why BPers (most of whom are liberal) try to reconcile moral absolutism with blanket social constructivism. They're surely incompatible? They'll hold things they don't like such as gender roles and even gender itself to be social constructs, but things like morality to be universal absolutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 07:46 PM
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Oh they'll find a way. Anything to avoid loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 06:14 PM
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Tbh, It'd be interesting to note when we aren't being manipulated on some level. Brows the internet, turn on the TV or radio, read a newspaper, go to a shopping mall, the cinema, almost any public place. It's just part and parcel of living in a society of people who want things from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 04:03 PM
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I can't watch that shit, mainly because the scene is dominated by a bunch of dudes...seems kinda gay tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 07:20 AM
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a lot more men would (publically) go for overweight women. At first I scoffed at this idea but with more thought I think you're absolutely right. The population of obese and overweight people is growing very quickly and pretty soon a lot of less attractive men are going to have to wake up to the fact that young, skinny, attractive women are becoming more and more of a premium. Average, unremarkable (the vast majority of) people would rather avoid getting fit, dressing well and learning game, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 07:17 AM
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obvious troll is obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 07:45 PM
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I'm 21.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 03:26 PM
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Do they serve any purpose towards your RP game except to appear to have options and build social skills? Not really. I have learned a lot about women over the last few years though. A lot of TRP is totally right. It's funny being in social gatherings with high % of women, hearing the way they talk, what/who they talk about and how, and then hearing them in classes/seminars bringing up some feminist issues about whatever novel or critical theory we're reading. Emperor's new clothes spring to mind…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 03:07 PM
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Not really. I'm not really thinking of it in terms of being lucrative, the industry is declining after all. I'm writing for my university magazine, hoping to get contacts and open doors through the media department and student unions etc. It's also far from the only thing I can do with an English degree, and heck if all else fails I'll go abroad and teach English.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 03:06 PM
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If she's unattractive but generally fun to be around? I tend to agree with TRP that as a man you can never totally rely on or confide in a female friend like you can a male friend, but studying in a female-dominated field (English, view to a career in journalism) I make a lot of casual female friends just by being sociable. I don't shit where I eat so they're absolutely off-limits for sexual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 02:36 PM
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Tbh I generally agree. The fear for a man though when it comes to polyamory is cuckoldry. Contraception is never 100%. A paternity test would obviously have to happen, and there's no chance I'm raising some other guy's kid. Big fucking decisions would have to be made.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 01:41 PM
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why be monogamous? It's just a recipe for boredom and irritation. I kind of agree. My personal opinion is that relationships are a waste of time anyway (I don't really need "emotional support" or whatever it is monogamous relationships are for) but I'm trying to argue from the perspective of someone who subscribes to mainstream ideas of love/sex/relationships. Because of this we'd probably be arguing in circles because you clearly don't subscribe to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 09:50 AM
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So polys also get emotional satisfaction from outside the relationship? Sounds like spinning plates to me. How do people have the time to manage all these relationships if it's genuinely more than sex? Also, as I've said to another poster, doesn't this kind of invalidate the idea of marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 08:26 AM
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It could be that, and if so, what of it? Nobody can be everything for anyone. Then why get married? It could also just be a preference for more variety. My whole point is, within reason, why can this variety not be achieved with one person? I've said to another poster that partners should be able to deviate from their personal favourite sexual activities from time to time, but if you're fundamentally sexually incompatible then don't get married. And it's just sex, ffs. Humans are biologically pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 08:01 AM
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If partners are not prepared to deviate a little from their vanilla sexual habits then it shows a stubbornness and lack of willingness to compromise your own enjoyment for your partner's, which should be addressed before running off to find someone else. If the kinds of things you're talking about are really fucking weird, then it probably indicates incompatibility in other areas as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 06:42 AM
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it's almost never a positive thing to think of a break-up as someone "fucking you over," regardless of the context. Whether it's positive to think about or not, sometimes it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 08:59 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 08:52 PM
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You're the one who's inferred that I'm referring to breakups in general. Tbh I don't really understand why you'd assume that from my intentionally harsh language.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 08:22 PM
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As I said in another post, it's the same if you switch the genders. I'm an equal opportunity misanthropist :D
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 08:16 PM
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I don't think women have an instinct to fuck men over, but I think every single one would be prepared to under the right circumstance. So would a man. Call me misanthropic, but I don't believe that unconditional love exists outside parent/child relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 08:13 PM
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I fundamentally don't understand open marriages. If you want "different experiences", why not try them with your partner? In searching for other partners you're explicitly saying "in this particular area of our relationship you are inadequate and I must find somebody else to satisfy this need because you are incapable of doing so". If you are okay with being told this then sure, polyamory is for you. I can maybe understand if you have some bizarre kinks that you cannot expect to find in the vast…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 06:27 PM
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there IS a fundamental human nature, that this nature is not infinitely malleable You can hold this view and still support things like universal healthcare and education, which to an American would be considered leftist but to a Brit like me they're just common sense. These things do vary across different cultures and economies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:38 PM
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I was basically just expanding. AWALT doesn't mean all women are dumb sluts. It means they're as human as all the rest of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 02:36 PM
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The Soviet Union failed. Do you even history?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 12:18 PM
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That's because unicorns don't exist. Even if she seems like a unique snowflake who shits rainbows, she's still a human being (intelligent animal) with flaws and primal animal instincts. The degree to which women differ is how they react to those instincts, but every woman has a point at which she will fuck you over, it just depends on how far she is prepared to suppress her instincts. Every woman has a breaking point that if you are weak and pathetic enough she will leave you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 08:10 AM
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woman - " i agree that's a huge bummer." It's a very intelligent use of language that gives her plausible deniability if she's ever accused of not caring about false accusations, whilst also allowing her to graciously (but facetiously) concede a point that she knows she has no hope of arguing against. Public debates and arguments aren't about winning through logic, they're about winning over the audience. Whilst she wouldn't fool the audience of say a Chomsky, Pinker or Harris, it's safe to say …
/r/TheRedPill14/07/15 08:17 PM
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A law like this wouldn't pass , who cares what the feminists think? I was responding to OP's claim that BPers don't want to force their morality on others. Some definitely do, and would support legislation as such. It doesn't matter whether it's realistic or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 07:43 PM
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Well for one, a RP man doesn't wait for verbal consent before escalating towards sex which a lot of feminists would consider rape. Also, the current Home Secretary of the United Kingdom wants to make emotional abuse illegal. Many consider dread game to be emotional abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 07:13 PM
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Not necessarily his achievements, but the way he carries himself in the moment. The two can be closely tied, as being a high-achiever usually goes hand-in-hand with confidence and dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 07:10 PM
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TBPillers won't come into your house and force their morality on you I think a lot of feminists would gladly make some TRP methods illegal. The hard left is just as authoritarian and reactionary as hard right.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 07:08 PM
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I wouldn't like to guess because it'd surely be conjecture and speculation, but if I had to guess about cuckoldry, it indicates a submissive, perhaps even masochist side, that you'd get off on a superior male taking what you hold dear from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 12:28 PM
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I don't know about evo psych but in my opinion fetishes definitely say something about you as a person. I don't understand the thinking of people who say that sexual history and behaviours are seperate from everything else in someone's personality and that it has no bearing on who they are. It's a comforting lie to tell people who might be ashamed of what they've done or what they want to do. Pursuing a fetish is expressing a part of yourself, a fantasy, something you want deeply and passionatel…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 12:23 PM
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You might be right in your closing statement but it's certainly not because I don't see it as a possibility to sleep with beautiful women. Like I said, I'm handsome by conventional standards, I work out and women approach me in clubs/bars. I see the looks women give me. I am fairly quiet and introverted but not on like an aspergers level. I don't clam up around women in particular, I study English (with a view to a career in journalism) at university which is mostly female-subscribed, I have man…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 11:09 AM
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They are more important than your children This is the mark of a man that cannot be trusted. He will sell his own kids the fuck down the river to appease his "life partner". Treat men like this with caution and suspicion. Is it any wonder women feel creeped out in ways they don't understand when confronted by men like this?
/r/TheRedPill14/07/15 10:38 AM
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This is where the male and female sexual directives conflict. In female-targeted erotica, the female directive of securing commitment from a high-value male will naturally succeed, because it's about pandering to women. The reason TRP advises against following the female directive is for pure self-protection. Call it insecurity, call it whatever you want, TRP is to male sexual self-actualisation what erotica is to female sexual self-actualisation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 10:23 AM
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I haven't been tested for testosterone deficiencies but it could well be the case. I might just be desensitised to real-life women because whilst I get off on the abstract idea of sex with a woman (I watch straight porn), I don't really see women in real life and think anything. I'll see an attractive woman and mentally acknowledge their attractiveness, but women do that as well. I'm 21 years old and a virgin, but I'm also a good-looking guy who works out, I occasionally get approached at clubs/…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 10:06 AM
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exhibitionists who relish the attention they get from their supposed sexual dysphoria Could you expand on that? I think I'm pretty much asexual but nobody in real life knows this about me. I certainly don't think of myself the way I do to get attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 09:57 AM
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There is a way to achieve everything without giving up being a 'nice guy' or not being yourself. Despite the fact that 'nice guys' are routinely mocked by feminists and white knights, and "being yourself" gets a large number of men absolutely nowhere. "Be yourself" is absolute bullshit. Who says I haven't been myself when I've been perennially unsuccessful? What if it's actually harming my chances?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 09:45 AM
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Men are rapists and women are victims. Have you learned nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 09:39 AM
1

Are you serious? I weigh a little over that I'm a 5'11'' male.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 09:35 AM
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I would hope to be able to talk things out before having to use dread game on my future wife. I think most of the people in /r/deadbedrooms have done plenty of this. You can't negotiate sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 09:26 AM
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Surely it depends what kind of comedy you're doing. Guys like Bill Burr and Chris Rock find truth and make it funny. Others are just like clowns or circus monkeys acting out a childish craving for attention.
/r/TheRedPill13/07/15 05:18 PM
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There is also a related therapy used to treat PTSD that's proven to work and based on rewriting memories, can't remember the name. Yeh, this is the kind of thing rape victims should pursue, rather than a glorified life coach tainted by ideology.
/r/TheRedPill13/07/15 05:14 PM
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Some will destabilize their clients to hook them on more therapy. It feels like a fundamental conflict of interests. On the one hand a therapist has to think about their 'success rate' for their professional reputation and future earnings...on the other hand, one could easily make a calculated decision to string a certain percentage of patients along and still fly under the radar of suspicion.
/r/TheRedPill13/07/15 04:40 PM
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So men with pretty much no muscle definition whatsoever?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/15 11:15 PM
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Actually his spelling was the correct Americanised one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/15 08:41 AM
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Just treat them like people. Following on from the previous comment, this can also be interpreted any number of ways. I treat different people differently depending on what I want from the interaction. I am not the same with my mother as I am with my friends, for example. Obviously, until they give me reason to act otherwise I'll always treat them with common courtesy but "respect" has to be earned.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/15 07:31 AM
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I dont think dread game means to sit and sulk, stewing over whatever trivial bullshit is going on with some girl. It means to quit worrying about it, go do some other shit until she drops the attitude, because she'd prefer you do that than fumble about trying to fix things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/15 09:49 PM
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How you can you sulk if you're apathetic?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/15 07:00 PM
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If a man doesn't get an orgasm through either sex or masturbation for long enough his body will do it for him in his sleep. I once went almost a week without orgasm. I literally couldn't think straight. I wanted to fight or fuck everything that moved. Also, as a woman you've never experienced blue balls. It's an actual physical pain and it can be agonising.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/15 06:53 PM
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I'd like to hear where prostitution is legal and cheap...with decent quality, clean women. I think you also underestimate the proclivity of young men these days to succumb to social withdrawal and dopamine cravings.
/r/TheRedPill11/07/15 05:44 PM
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If there's one thing in which I'll place my trust in humanity, it's the desire for easy and cheap access to sex. I'm not saying it'll be near future, but think about where computers and mobile phones were in the 80s compared to today. Even in the 90s they were expensive and not nearly powerful and user-friendly enough for the average man to perservere with and justify the cost. As soon as they became as ubiquitous as TVs in people's homes, porn and its demand has driven so much innovation in ent…
/r/TheRedPill11/07/15 12:37 PM
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Prostitution is expensive, and illegal in many countries. Also, if it's a single payment then that makes a big difference. If you had to pay tens/hundreds of dollars every time you wanted to play a videogame or watch porn, would you bother?
/r/TheRedPill11/07/15 12:13 PM
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The sex bot will not only raise very interesting questions in the sexual marketplace, but the economic marketplace. If it ever becomes affordable, like the price of a laptop or game console, an infinite supply of pussy is given an actual dollar tag, and its relatively cheap (with no need to maintain SMV). Beyond that, and the cost of subsistence living, what incentive is there for the beta male to work hard? This has the potential to be disastrous, especially considering the hikikomori phenomeno…
/r/TheRedPill11/07/15 10:32 AM
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One of those days, after she fell asleep, I curled in the fetal position and cried silently. I genuinely feel bad for this guy, but it gives me some perverse comfort knowing that no matter how pathetic I've ever been in life, I've never been and never will be this bad. It's just fucking heartbreaking how weak some men are these days.
/r/TheRedPill11/07/15 08:15 AM
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If anything, women are very good at adopting advantageous points of view on a whim and moulding their worldviews to current trends. I suspect those who hold real power cannot wait to have a woman as President.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/15 07:48 AM
1

It's funny isn't it? Pitchfork is like The Guardian of music news and criticism, but they fucking love good rap music.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/15 07:44 AM
2

Doesn't matter. The possibility still exists that she falls out of love and she'll have "another you in a minute" to quote Ms. Knowles-Carter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/15 07:37 AM
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You probably would dump his father if his SMV plummeted sufficiently and a sufficiently higher-SMV man came along to rescue you. This happens all the time. It's normal. "Til I don't love you anymore do we part"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/15 01:28 PM
2

There is no point spending hours at a party drinking to excess and then going home with nothing. Just finished my freshman year. UK drinking age is 18 so it's nightclubs/bars rather than parties but the principle is the same. I did far too much of this. Second year is where things get tougher in my degree so I'll be drinking much less. I'm going to try and engineer my socialising towards my future, networking with people in my field, joining related societies etc. I'll probably just use tinder f…
/r/TheRedPill10/07/15 01:18 PM
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I've been strongly considering doing something similar to this when I've finished my degree, and not even necessarily to stay in SE Asia. My picture of an ideal life is actually quite nomadic, never staying in the same place for more than 18 months or so. I don't know how feasible it'd be, but ideally I'd only stick around long enough to earn enough money for the next destination, then squeeze all the enjoyment I can from the place, and leave at the next opportunity. I'd prefer a lifetime of thi…
/r/TheRedPill10/07/15 10:17 AM
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I'm not talking about having no morals whatsoever. I'm talking about 'live and let live'. Do whatever you like as long as you're not perpertrating or causing violence or infringing on the consent of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 02:47 PM
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Semantics. You know what I mean. A rationally self-interested person can still do charity work if they get fulfilment out of helping others...in fact that's the primary reason anybody does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 11:45 AM
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Cheney's motivations don't matter. True, there was a large opposition to the latest Gulf War but much of the US was fully in favour of attacking the Middle Eastern bogeyman after 9/11. The point is, the population saw that war and slaughter was morally justifiable. In any case, the coalition armed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan did not round up civilians in death camps by the millions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 11:33 AM
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Industrial-level slaughter is still done by self-interested individuals, it is just done in the name of profits, not morality Who are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 10:29 AM
1

if you cannot create something on your own, achieve something, just make a kid and its instant solution. The vast majority of people are incapable of having any kind of lasting legacy in this world outside of children. It's just a basic fact of life. Do you have any idea how hard it is to actually create something original and interesting?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 10:07 AM
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It's just the internet. You'll almost certainly never meet anyone on here. The opinions of anonymous strangers aren't really of any consequence. I mainly just use this place as a sounding board to get my thoughts out in black and white so I can best analyse them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 09:59 AM
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If people's morals were sufficiently relaxed, we'd still have Hitler. If people's morals were sufficiently relaxed, Hitler takes a long hard look in the mirror and realises he needs to get laid and chill the fuck out. Is this always a bad thing? Yes. Even the Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombings cannot be considered "good", just the best of a bunch of horrific options.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 09:46 AM
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The majority of women are inherently attractive. Excluding mitigating factors age and weight 80% are a 6 or higher. There's no way I'm going to standardise that on a bell curve because the math gets too hard. Surely 5 is the average? So you think 80% of women are above average. I think you're probably just easily pleased.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 08:49 AM
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It's still meaningless because consent can be revoked at any time. Also, someone can be coerced into signing. Tbh the whole idea is like something out of Gilliam's Brazil.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 08:30 AM
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Societies are at their most dangerous when they hypermoralise. The biggest mass-murdering machines in the history of man, the states led by Stalin, Mao and Hitler all instilled in their population the absolute idea that what they are doing is not just the right thing, but the best thing you could possibly do for yourself and your fellow citizen. Relaxed morals actually make the world safer overall. A rational, self-interested individual does not care enough about the "greater good" to enact indu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/15 08:23 AM
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Rust's mind operates on a totally different plane to hers. He's at once remarkably intuitive socially and also views the world and society in complex abstract terms. That's the kind of combination you find in geniuses that aren't on the spectrum. He's also been through shit that she couldn't possibly fathom. The idea that she knows him better than he knows himself is just hilarious. People like Rust just aren't cut out for normal relationships with normal people.
/r/TheRedPill09/07/15 12:12 AM
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I didn't start this topic to entertain you, specifically. Evidently. Why did you start it? Or rather, why did you bother explaining what you look for in non-serious relationships and then use it as evidence that marrying young is a bad idea? It doesn't sound like your age had anything to do with it, just what you were looking for in a relationship. Hence, your argument is moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 05:43 PM
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If you weren't even looking for marriage, how is anything you've said relevant? If you were looking for marriage, surely you'd be identifying different things when looking for potential husbands? This whole thread seems moot. You could've just provided evidence of divorce rates linked to age at time of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 03:53 PM
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She believes that her subjective experience applies to everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 07:37 AM
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How was any of what I wrote a sign of me being "dumb"? That you didn't think you'd need a man with his shit together in the most basic ways. Research shows this idea to be flawed. Fair enough, but you didn't say that in your OP. I don't think that means what you think that means. My use of the word is exactly correct. Think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 07:36 AM
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So they're making a conscious choice to reject sex...so not involuntary. To be clear, men who for instance don't get laid but also wont have sex with fat chicks are not involuntary, they just have inflated standards. Some men literally wouldn't be able to pick up fat chicks to save their lives. That's an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/15 10:47 PM
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So because you were dumb and naive as a young woman, that means the whole idea of marrying young is flawed? Solipsism. By the way I think marriage is dumb whatever age you are. Don't fucking do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/15 10:43 PM
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She certainly wouldn't be involuntarily celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/15 10:35 PM
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I would be willing to bet it's a very similar percentage of women. Not involuntarily. As long as a woman isn't horribly disfigured or morbidly obese, she can literally turn up to a bar and wait for a guy to approach her. If she's desperately unlucky that night, she'll have to actually approach a guy and say these five words. "Do you want to fuck?" If by some bizarre turn of fate 3 consecutive single guys still turn her down, then I'd buy her a beer and do it myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/15 08:52 PM
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It means they're trying to get laid, but are totally unsuccessful. There is nothing else to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/15 08:48 PM
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I just think a man of integrity thinks about more than ONSs It really depends on what his goals are in life, surely? Some people (men and women) simply don't have the time or emotional/mental energy to expend on a long-term relationship. To these people, it would require compromise on their integrity, their principles, their purpose....and thus degrade their sense of self. That's not to say one should have tunnel vision towards a certain place in life, ignoring everything else in your environmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/15 04:03 PM
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