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serpentineeyelash/r/PussyPass30/04/18 02:50 PM
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serpentineeyelash/r/PussyPass01/05/18 11:33 AM
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serpentineeyelash/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/20 05:50 AM
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serpentineeyelash/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/19 03:19 PM
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I think it's a great idea to promote movies portraying women as capable of toxic behaviour just like men. Storytelling communicates the message on an emotional level that rational argument may not reach. Gone Girl is really the perfect example of this. More than any of the other films suggested in this thread, watch Gone Girl. The female villain very deliberately exploits misandrist stereotypes to frame her husband for her faked death. Be aware it's a mystery with a twist, so don't tell your gir…
/r/MensRights19/02/23 09:56 AM
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I'm not aware of any similar quiz that includes men's movement views. A while back there was some discussion at r/FeMRADebates about creating one but it never went anywhere. I've made my own attempts at designing such a test but again, it never went anywhere. It is probably impossible to make a truly objective political test, because whoever writes the test inevitably has some kind of bias. It is actually quite difficult to describe other people's political positions in a non-strawman way - I gu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/20 02:18 PM
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What was that website you used to be on?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/20 05:15 AM
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As usual with your posts, all I can say is I have the same frustrations and I wish I had answers! I hoped creating r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates would help bring leftists and MRAs together to at least talk to each other. It hasn't really worked out that way - I'm not sure if that's because of my moderation decisions or if it was just an impossible task to begin with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/20 04:14 AM
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This is outrageous if true. Do you have any other source confirming these payments only go to women? The article is ambiguously worded - maybe it's just saying women receive the payments in a particular way?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/20 03:52 AM
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I am confused. Can you link any articles confirming men are getting the payment too?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/20 03:52 AM
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I find your posts difficult to read (is English your second language?), but I do agree with your concerns about a coming WW3.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/20 03:36 AM
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I agree with you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/20 03:18 PM
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Your post/comment has been removed, because it fundamentally disputes egalitarian values. As the sub is devoted to an essentially egalitarian perspective, posts/comments that are fundamentally incompatible with that perspective are not allowed (although debate about what egalitarian values are and how to implement them are). If you disagree with this ruling, please appeal by messaging the moderators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/20 03:11 PM
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As pointed out by another commenter, this is consistent with the story Johnny Depp has been telling all along: https://twitter.com/walkerehunter/status/1240359769308831748?s=19
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/20 03:06 PM
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We're not opposed to women's rights.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/20 02:32 PM
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Please assume good faith and don't generalize all feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/20 02:23 PM
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Never mind... it's a moot point anyway now most countries are closing their borders to stop the virus.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/20 05:26 AM
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So what does trafficking mean then?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/20 03:04 PM
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Someone reported this as "content breaking laws or Reddit rules". What rule is it breaking?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/20 01:37 PM
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I've been rather busy trying to understand current events, but I figure better late to never to post some sort of official response to this and your other recent thread. Firstly, I certainly don't intend this subreddit to be a home for the alt-right. Our non-affiliation with the alt-right is already stated in the sidebar: "We oppose right-wing exploitation of men's issues as a wedge to recruit men to inegalitarian traditional values." Since the alt-right is the ideology most guilty of this, we'r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/20 01:33 PM
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I've been rather busy trying to understand current events, but I figure better late to never to post some sort of official response to this and your other recent thread. Firstly, I certainly don't intend this subreddit to be a home for the alt-right. Our non-affiliation with the alt-right is already stated in the sidebar: "We oppose right-wing exploitation of men's issues as a wedge to recruit men to inegalitarian traditional values." Since the alt-right is the ideology most guilty of this, we'r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/20 01:32 PM
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at minimum, she is complicit with human trafficking and child negligence. What does "human trafficking" even mean? Are you saying it's "trafficking" if you have to pay someone to get on a boat or a caravan? Somehow I suspect you'd still oppose it if they didn't have to pay for it. Also I have no idea what you mean about child negligence. Are you saying it's negligent to oppose detention of children?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/20 01:17 PM
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"Races" don't act as groups.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/20 11:56 AM
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Hmm, it is difficult to know exactly what to believe.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/20 05:37 AM
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I don't see how the virus can be a hoax, if that's what you're implying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/20 11:13 AM
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Hopefully the universities will close soon.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/20 11:12 AM
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Indeed!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/20 06:11 AM
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I agree with r/MensLib on this one. People are underestimating this virus, as I've explained here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/fiwrf9/covid19_stay_at_home/ Indeed I underestimated it too. I should have been more proactive in posting about COVID19, rather than obsessing over the Amber Heard court case which could well be canceled now. Other commenters here have a point about the economics of needing to work, and that is a problem with our economic system and political …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/20 06:01 AM
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I've added a link to this thread in the sidebar. I'll think about adding it to the wiki but I've been busy researching COVID19 at the moment, so you may have to remind me about this at a later date.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/20 05:53 AM
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Not much. Too little for many people's taste. Definitely far less than MensLib.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/20 07:36 AM
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Okay, I will look at correcting that when I have time. I don't know how I messed up the YouTube links. And I guess I'll remove the Twitter link - why is there a rule against linking to Twitter?
/r/MensRights10/03/20 10:40 PM
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I see this post hasn't received any response and I think that's because most people on Reddit don't know much about Pakistan... and nor do I. So I'm not really sure what to say about it. That said, it sounds like your concern makes sense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/20 02:13 PM
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Part 2: Some radfem examples: http://rageagainstthemanchine.com/2009/07/05/why-i-hate-men-part-1-and-then-it-hit-me/ (the first in a series of posts about hating men) http://stavvers.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/kill-all-men/ http://web.archive.org/web/20120718030616/http:/radicalhub.com/2011/10/04/radical-feminism-in-the-21st-century/ For more recent radfem misandry see r/PinkpillFeminism, r/GenderCritical, r/FemaleDatingStrategy, and related subreddits. A popular defense circa 2014 was that the mi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/20 04:35 AM
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Oh there are so so many. Years ago I collected lots of examples and never did anything with them. And it shouldn't be too difficult to find plenty of other examples - there's a whole cottage industry of Youtubers rebutting misandrist articles and videos (although the rebuttals often come from a more right-wing perspective than what I would say). I even collected some which outright stated their misandry. It was all the rage around 2014 - maybe it still is, but I pay less attention to the mainstr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/20 04:35 AM
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Oh, I am inclined to be an incel advocate too, indeed I'm a virgin myself. I'm not sure exactly what incels should be advocating for though - clearly something different to what Derrick is doing. What do you think?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/20 03:03 AM
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Didn't we just have a thread on this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/20 04:17 AM
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I will have to consider listing you in the LWMA sidebar too - though deciding who to link to in a sidebar opens up a whole new can of worms...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/20 03:51 AM
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Well that was a long comment for a Reddit thread! Maybe you should start a blog?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/20 03:44 AM
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It's possible for more than one thing to be going on at the same time. We can have a class analysis and a misandry analysis. Why did people believe Amber Heard over Johnny Depp? They're both rich.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/20 03:38 AM
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Are there any particular arguments you've found effective in arguing against right wing MRAs?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/20 02:47 AM
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I'm not the one shoving people out in the cold. My subreddit is much less censorious than other left wing subreddits, and I've taken a lot of flak for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/20 02:44 AM
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It is well known that T_D deletes any criticism of Trump, so it is difficult to imagine why a non Trump supporter would post there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/20 08:37 AM
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It wasn't a study, it was an online poll posted on Twitter. u/C0dey has a point that this is a pretty flimsy basis on which to draw statistical conclusions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/20 07:56 AM
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I don't really think of myself as anything and ultimately I just want people to stop having all these bizarre assumptions and expectations about me based on the way I choose to dress and groom myself and just treat me like a fucking person. I think that's what a lot of people want at the end of the day. Good luck with your new subreddit! I hope you'll continue to be something of an ally of LWMA? It feels like we've encountered hostility from every other subreddit, so it would be nice to have an …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/20 07:45 AM
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Whether true or false, I think questioning the identities of non-binaries is not particularly constructive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/20 07:34 AM
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I agree the Libertarian Right are still more prevalent in the MRM than the Authoritarian Right. Unfortunately, the Libertarian Right shares the central problem described by the OP: a strong attitude against helping the non-wealthy. Also, I get the impression that since 2016ish the number of Authoritarian Right has significantly grown, the ideological gap between the two Right camps has shrunk, and those in the Libertarian Left camp have either moved Right or become much less vocal or dropped out…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/20 07:32 AM
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I wish I knew the answer! Everything you've mentioned is part of the reason I created this subreddit. I'm having only mixed success: even this subreddit sometimes seems to attract centrists and repel leftists. Many people tell me this is because I'm under-moderating, but I also don't want to become overly censorious so I feel kind of trapped between a rock and a hard place there. Anyway, I've been trying to come up with talking points to counter the right-libertarian dogmas held by seemingly mos…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/20 06:55 AM
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Obligatory link to the musical version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SyC04sdbBs&list=PL0Cv84OTeDd709EesP-paOfeGLaUPTg50&index=10 Again, feminists might not be very impressed by a fictional story, because they can just dismiss it as a story demonizing women. But it does show at the very least that it was conceivable - it wasn't like nobody had thought of the concept of a woman coercing a man into sex.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/20 03:19 AM
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I get the point you're trying to make about advantages that women tend to have over men, but you're making a lot of generalizations here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/20 03:12 AM
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https://www.quora.com/Did-Roman-ladies-have-sex-with-male-slaves?share=1 (though it wasn't legal)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/20 03:04 AM
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And it casts even more doubt on your interlocutor's claim that it was not even conceived of. Clearly it was conceived of, because people were writing about it. I'm pretty sure some of the ancient goddesses like Aphrodite were said to have raped mortals, though I'm not knowledgeable enough to name specific examples. And non-fictionally, I'm pretty sure there's general acknowledgement that in ancient Rome many upper-class women had sex with male slaves, which would likely qualify as rape.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/20 06:27 PM
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During the 13th-17th centuries, there was a craze of spouses being charged with impotence, which was grounds for annulment. The cases were mostly brought by wives against their husbands. The court would examine the accused’s genitals and, if one party demanded it, watch them have sex. This context would seem to suggest that yes, female-on-male marital rape was very legal - if a husband refused to have sex with his wife, she could charge him with impotence!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/20 12:51 PM
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I don't quite agree with my fellow moderator there. I wouldn't say it's 70%, indeed it's not really possible to quantify. Most of the content on menslib has positive aspects, at least on the surface. But the problem isn't just what is said, it's what is not allowed to be said. When you take into account what gets deleted, there are very obviously some misandrist narratives being pushed there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/20 12:06 PM
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Which phone numbers, specifically? Just to be clear
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/20 11:47 AM
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when it comes to assigning effort towards solving problems that effort should be roughly proportional to the absolute numbers, not relative to the cis/straight/white/man who has the fewest disadvantages. One idea I try to challenge is this lumping in men with white, rich, straight, cisgendered, etc. Being male has far more disadvantages than being white, rich, straight, or cisgendered. The stereotypical left* makes you feel like all of the care and effort should go to those most disadvantaged, a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/20 09:18 AM
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I'm not aware of Nazis doing charity work! But I do agree that the right and the far-right (at least for the moment) has become more willing to let more people speak, while the left has become more censorious. That's why much of their recent recruitment has occurred online. And to some extent they are more willing to address some of the male issues caused by feminism (though they'd also worsen the deeper male issues of traditionalism). As someone else in this thread put it, support, belonging, a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/20 08:04 AM
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I've just taken a look at Next Gen Men's website and yeah, they have a definite feminist slant. Their curriculum, summarized here, contains workshops to benefit both self and others. (Though they might want to reword the phrase "mental health prevention"!) But the rest of their website seems slanted towards teaching boys to serve society rather than benefiting the individual child. For example, this is their list of male issues: "high rates of suicide, being the primary perpetrator of all forms …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/20 07:23 AM
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Wow. In fairness it was an unintentional rape but even so, do you think they would ever say that to a man who unintentional raped a woman?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/20 06:26 AM
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Maybe some of the rhetoric against r/MensLib has at times been a bit over the top, and I have sometimes advised people to tone it down. For the record, I'm not aware of any evidence either way on the true identities of MensLib mods. But there are many good reasons why people distrust the MensLib mods. It's based on the ways they've behaved over many years.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/20 04:32 AM
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For some reason your comment went into spam, I think because it contained so many links. I've approved it. Anyway, thanks for looking through the mental health resources!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/20 04:00 AM
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Do you happen to have a citation for this? If true that's pretty low even for MensLib.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/20 03:41 AM
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Yeah, I've already noticed he's doing that. I don't think there's anything I can do about it, is there?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/20 03:40 AM
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Your post/comment has been removed, because it fundamentally disputes egalitarian values. As the sub is devoted to an essentially egalitarian perspective, posts/comments that are fundamentally incompatible with that perspective are not allowed (although debate about what egalitarian values are and how to implement them are). If you disagree with this ruling, please appeal by messaging the moderators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/20 05:45 AM
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Just as an update: The lead moderator of MensLib is now banned from here, at least temporarily.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/20 04:00 AM
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Hi and welcome to the subreddit. The Mission Statement might help answer some of your questions, including where we disagree with feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 02:43 PM
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Interesting article. I'm not sure what to make of some of its assertions. For example many of the ideologies he's talking about are, I would argue, concerned with real issues, so I'm not sure I would dismiss them as "alienation". Obviously I think there are issues facing men, I suppose some of it could be described in terms of alienation, but a more obvious example is environmentalism. A lot of what environmentalists are saying is based in scientific facts, rather than some hatred of humanity. I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 02:30 PM
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Yeah, I agree. I haven't banned penguin.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 01:45 PM
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Yeah, that was pretty much my journey too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 12:41 PM
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Obviously. But consider a few points. Firstly, whether you want to admit it or not, your status as moderator of a big established subreddit does give you a certain amount of power across Reddit. Yours is the only men's issues subreddit that has any social acceptance among the mainstream left, and is frequently recommended to people as the one "good" men's issues subreddit. You stand as a gatekeeper between us and the mainstream left (to some extent the mainstream generally). There is a great dea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 12:37 PM
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I have recently been telling users to assume good faith, and if you were any other user I might have told some posters in this thread to stop assuming bad faith. But you make me wonder why I'm bothering when you just openly admitted you're not here in good faith! We were going to look at your list of resources and consider its merits, hell we probably still will. But our skepticism is going to be greatly increased now you've openly admitted to trolling us. While I will continue promoting a norm …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 04:59 AM
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Even the fact that you hadn't seen it speaks volumes about your supposedly comprehensive non-ideological research on men's help resources. You didn't even bother to look at the resource list of the biggest men's issues subreddit, no doubt because of your ideological disagreement with them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 04:32 AM
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Actually, our Moderation Policy aims to promote discussion and err on the side of free speech, within limits that discourage toxic/hateful rhetoric and maintain a defined movement with beliefs distinct from those of other factions in the gender debate. And by the way I have banned users who ranted about Jews - I want nothing to do with the alt-right. The OP in this thread was arguing against anti-Semitism; the argument was that just because a group of people might have many members in positions …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 04:07 AM
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I'd prefer if you didn't criticize another user by name in a thread they're not participating in.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 11:26 AM
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Seeing something bad happen to women and then rubbing it in their face about how funny it is and how happy you are that it happened is not a good look. It's not something happening to women in general, it's something happening to TERFs, who are also the most misandrist feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 11:06 AM
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Yeah, that's how deleted comments work on many subreddits. It works that way on MensLib too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 11:04 AM
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And seriously, you're going around calling people "dumb-dumb"? Is that "the men's issues conversation you want to see in the world"? Is that "positivity, inclusiveness, and solutions-building"? And you wonder why so many people don't like you and your subreddit. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 10:12 AM
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I've never looked at their list, honestly. How can you say so confidently that your list is comprehensive, if you've never even looked at their list? And for the record, I did look at the MensLib list. It's obviously a long list so it will take a while for me to look through it properly (and I am more focused on researching other projects at the moment).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 09:45 AM
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The biggest criticism of r/MensLib is not about what is said on r/MensLib. It's about what is not allowed to be said on r/MensLib.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 09:40 AM
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Where here is there an upvoted talking point about "actually the Jews are the privileged ones"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 09:31 AM
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Great video!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 09:19 AM
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I have been mocked on r/MensGlib before, and I am appalled by their attitude. The way they treat anyone who disagrees with them is one of the reasons I started this subreddit. That said, to quote my fellow moderator, those that participate in the menslib sub are welcome to participate here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 08:58 AM
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Do you have any thoughts on how best to vet each resource?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 07:16 AM
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Do you have any thoughts on how best to vet each resource?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 07:16 AM
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Do you have any thoughts on how best to vet each resource?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 07:15 AM
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One of the many things that has been on my to-do list for a while is to put together such a list of resources. One of the reasons I haven't got around to it yet is because I share the concern mentioned by many others here - I'm not sure how to figure out which resources are truly about helping men. I certainly wouldn't want to refer any man to any organization that will treat him as a probable abuser, guilt him about his alleged privilege, or otherwise place an unwarranted level of individual bl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 07:14 AM
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Your post/comment has been removed, because it fundamentally disputes egalitarian values. As the sub is devoted to an essentially egalitarian perspective, posts/comments that are fundamentally incompatible with that perspective are not allowed (although debate about what egalitarian values are and how to implement them are). If you disagree with this ruling, please appeal by messaging the moderators. PS: On the arguments that Fuentes made: It is difficult to tell exactly what are the causes of s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 06:34 AM
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I suspect /pol/ wouldn't be defending Weinstein because of, well, his surname.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/20 12:09 PM
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Maybe you have a point. I have deleted my previous comment. I should not have commented on cases that I have not looked into in detail, knowing how things can be twisted through propaganda.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/20 12:00 PM
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I literally just posted a comment defending Johnny Depp, also a high status man. I think the Depp case is a better high-profile case to focus on because (in my admittedly subjective judgement, based on my admittedly limited knowledge) the evidence looks more likely to support Depp's innocence than Weinstein's. Legally, obviously everyone deserves a defence. Politically, it may be wise to pick our battles in terms of which cases we bring attention to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/20 09:42 AM
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This really infuriates me. The tape of Amber Heard confessing to throwing pots and pans at Johnny Depp got widely ignored or spun as "mutual abuse", but now angry texts sent to a friend are being spun as violent threats? Also, notice how Amber's evidence seems to be much more cherry-picked than Johnny's. He has audiotapes of 45 mins and 30 mins where she is clearly the aggressor and the gaslighter and confesses to throwing pots and pans at him. She has a 2-minute video of him slamming cupboards …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/20 07:36 AM
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I haven't looked in detail into the Trump and Weinstein cases. Based on my knowledge Weinstein is guilty and the allegations against Trump don't look good either. Both are obviously assholes in general too. Out of all the men accused of abuse, they're not the cases I'd pick to rush to their defence - that's not the hill I want male advocacy to die on. On the other hand, I know how these things can be twisted through propaganda so I can't be 100% sure.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/20 07:07 AM
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Your post/comment was removed, because it demonized women. While generalized discussion of gendered traits is allowed, there is a line, and your comment was deemed to have crossed it. If you disagree with this ruling, please appeal by messaging the moderators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/20 07:49 AM
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You might also like to ask over at r/MensRights and/or check out their list of resources: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/wiki/support
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/20 04:54 PM
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I am NOT claiming that Heard didn't abuse Depp. I'm saying that both of them abused each other. What, in your opinion, is some of the best evidence that Depp abused Heard? And how do you reconcile it with the therapy audiotape in which Heard argues he should stay in the room when she gets violent, and Depp argues they should separate if there is any violence? It's so fucked up this mindset that one person is the perpetrator and basically evil and the other person is the victim and innocent as th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/20 05:36 AM
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Part 2: And as Talusan points out, it also means being mindful of all the dynamics, like the “power imbalance within a relationship—for example, the one between a beloved 52-year old cishet male actor and his 29-year old bisexual wife.” This is very similar to the argument Heard made in the tapes as to why she couldn't be the abuser, and it is wrong. If Heard has an abusive personality and Depp has an accomodating/codependent personality, then all of these "power dynamics" are irrelevant. And me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/20 04:33 AM
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This is an article that talks out of both sides of its mouth. It deserves credit for being better than the responses of #MeToo, ACLU, UN etc who are still unequivocally supporting Amber Heard, but ultimately it's still about shielding Amber Heard and #MeToo from criticism. The article does contain some good parts about how abuse can be female-on-male and how abuse can be mutual. But there is a glaring hypocrisy in the way mutually abusive relationships are acknowledged. If the balance of evidenc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/20 04:33 AM
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It seems you are determined to sit on the fence. That is a position that I would agree with in a different political situation, but not in the present political context. Women's advocacy groups clearly feel no moral compulsion to be neutral about Amber Heard, so why should a men's liberation group be neutral? I'm still in the process of researching the case to make a comprehensive argumemt, but from what I've found so far I don't really buy the argument that the tapes are out of context. Amber's…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/20 07:35 AM
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I started r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates partly to differentiate my own views from the more right-wing beliefs prevalent across much of the MRM. I am ambivalent on whether to identify with the "MRA" label. So I cannot speak for the bigger MRA groups and how they choose to spend their money, though I know NCFM at least has achieved substantive legal victories such as challenging the US male-only draft. r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates is a very new and small group. Personally, I am in the closet about my male ad…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/20 08:50 AM
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Do you agree with this tweet from the official Me Too Movement describing #JusticeForJohnnyDepp as a "misinformation campaign"? (And make no mistake, that tweet is not from corporate media, or Hollywood, or white feminism, or some fringe radfem. It really is from the official organization, run by Tarana Burke who founded it in 2006.) Do you think the ACLU should continue to employ Amber Heard as their Ambassador for Women's Rights? Do you think the Women's Marches should invite Amber Heard to th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/20 07:07 AM
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Do you think it is appropriate for the official Me Too Movement's Twitter account to continue defending Amber Heard after the release of audio where she admits to hitting Johnny Depp? Do you think the ACLU should continue to employ Amber Heard as their Ambassador for Women's Rights? Do you think the Women's Marches should invite Amber Heard to their future protests as they have in the past? Do you think the United Nations should continue to employ Amber Heard as a Human Rights Champion? Do those…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/20 06:55 AM
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Oh, I am glad to hear it!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/20 03:29 PM
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I am really curious to know, as I am honestly baffled about what Buttigieg's appeal is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/20 05:19 AM
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Also by the way, you might be interested to watch Contrapoints' video on cancel culture if you haven't already. She is similarly arguing for the position that cancel culture has good and bad aspects and that people need to be more wary of the bad aspects. And if you agree with her take, maybe post it on MensLib.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/20 04:28 AM
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Well, I can only hope your more moderate version of MeToo-style feminism prevails over the one that got Johnny Depp fired.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/20 03:50 AM
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Uhhhh... I'm kinda reluctant to sticky something we disagree with. People can feel free to upvote this thread if they want.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/20 01:54 PM
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I am aware and have previously acknowledged that there is a difference between MensLib and radical feminism. Taking victims seriously would be to listen, beleive them, to look at what evidence might exist and potentially reserve judgement. Obviously no rational person would disagree with listening, looking at any evidence, and potentially reserving judgement. It's the part about believing the accuser that I object to. Belief should be based on evidence, not the existence of an accusation or the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/20 12:27 PM
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And your own subreddit isn't an abuse manual?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/20 08:01 AM
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How is not abusive to see yourself as having inherent value and the other person as having to prove their value? How is it not abusive to make the other person constantly "prove themselves" to "earn" your affection, while feeling no need to prove anything yourself? How is it not abusive to leave it up to the other person to take all the initiative, make all the effort, and experience all the social stress, without any effort on your part? How is it not abusive to trick someone into thinking you …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/20 08:01 AM
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I find both subreddits depressing. I fear they are correct that their manipulative techniques are more effective than more honest attempts at forming relationships (at least for a while, until they drop their mask). But I wouldn't want to live in a world where everyone was manipulative rather than straightforward. There is some good advice on both subreddits. I'm not against seductive behaviours per se if it's just about turning on the other person. The problem is when seductiveness is part of a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/20 05:17 AM
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I'm not American but here are my updated thoughts on the candidates. On general left-wing causes, I greatly prefer Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, and Andrew Yang. Though there is considerable variation between them, these candidates come across as most genuine and tend to have the most humane policies on the bigger issues of economics, climate change, wars, corruption, and censorship. Which candidate is best for men's issues is not an easy question to answer because the candidates are not usuall…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/20 03:35 AM
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I suggest you read some of Aaron Mate's work: https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/05/crowdstrikeout_muellers_own_report_undercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html I don't deny that to some extent every government engages in online propaganda campaigns, including the American government by the way. This isn't good, of course, but I don't see any evidence that Russia is doing it any more than any other government. Most of the supposed evidence of "Russiagate" seems to cons…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/20 03:19 AM
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I think the term is being used as a shorthand for a couple of distinctions: Warren plays identity politics in the shallow sense of emphasizing the identity of candidates, which is different from having policies to help a particular identity group. Take the recent example of her attempt to smear Bernie Sanders as a misogynist. Warren is clearly on the side of feminist identity politics, which care about women's issues more than men's issues. Obviously we're opposed to that. Warren has also signal…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/20 02:48 AM
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I'm curious, what do you like about Buttigieg and Bloomberg?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/20 02:09 AM
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We've already had two other threads on the topic which you might be interested to check out: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/excsij/which_of_the_democratic_presidential_candidates/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/f0xfed/who_do_you_support_for_president/ The consensus here is roughly that Sanders, Yang, and Gabbard seem less bad, while Klobuchar, Warren, Biden, and Buttigieg seem worse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/20 02:05 AM
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I'm sorry if I conflated your views with those of others. Perhaps we have different perceptions of what MeToo means. Take victims seriously. Be careful to jump to conclusions. The first part is a bit vague so I'm not sure what it means in practice. Obviously I agree with the second part. However, it strikes me as the opposite of how MeToo and similar campaigns usually behave. These campaigns, including the one against Johnny Depp, sought to get men fired from their jobs over accusations without …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/20 04:47 PM
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I think there are good people there. It's just near-impossible to reach them because of the mods.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/20 02:39 PM
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I can understand the part about you not getting around to it. I can be pretty disorganized myself and haven't yet posted my own thoughts on the Amber Heard case, as I need to research it more. The Iowa thing has taken up a lot of my attention too and I'm not even American. (Also I've just remembered I haven't yet got around to fully investigating some complaints you made to LWMA, so I apologize for that.) However, I totally disagree with your ideological reasons for why you and/or other MensLib …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/20 02:17 PM
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Wow, nearly 300,000 signatures! I don't think I've ever seen anything like that for a men's issues petition. I guess it helps to have a celebrity involved.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/20 09:24 AM
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Yes, exactly. FDS isn't some little fringe group, its beliefs stem from conservative ideology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/20 07:12 AM
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Misandrist women are always underestimated. It's part of the feminist (and traditionalist) bias toward perceiving women as innocent and powerless. And even though the subreddit is new, its ideas are not - it's drawing upon an extensive canon of books. I would argue their misandry is actually quite conservative and is merely being more explicitly articulated than in the past. Take a look at this recent post from FDS: As this sub explodes in popularity, and more and more women are learning how to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/20 07:09 AM
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FDS consists mostly of emotionally abusive shit and financially exploitative shit. Here are some quotes. From their moderation rules: All comments and posts, should be focused on how the woman can derive maximum benefit for herself, and herself only. Mutual benefit should be a byproduct, not a goal… From their Ideology page: A man’s role is to be the pursuer, the one to convince you that he’s the right man for you. As a woman, you don’t have to prove yourself to him... Don't have sex before comm…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/20 07:01 AM
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It's not an easy question to answer because the candidates are not usually asked about men's issues, and because it's a pretty broad range of issues that men face so a candidate might support some but not others. Also I'm not American so I may be missing some things. Firstly I'll be upfront about my bias: on general human issues, I greatly prefer the most left-wing candidates - Tulsi Gabbard, Bernie Sanders, and Andrew Yang. Though there is considerable variation between them, these candidates c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/20 06:06 AM
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Brigading is apparently against the Reddit Terms of Service, so we cannot endorse this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/20 04:04 AM
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Well, isn't this the same argument that feminists make to claim that male-on-female violence is more serious than female-on-male violence?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/20 06:05 PM
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What is the point of bringing this up?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/20 05:56 PM
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The news about Amber Heard needs to be spread far and wide. This is a very high-profile example of everything we've been talking about and proves the need for a men's movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/20 03:40 AM
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This, even more than any of their previous shitfuckery, proves the menslib mods do not care about men. Any real movement would want to rile up its members with such strong evidence of the movement's core issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/20 03:35 AM
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What about my links, did you read those? You just linked to a Wikipedia article which describes the system. You haven't explained what in that article counters what I said.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/20 09:18 AM
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I don't understand how your link changes anything. There were three coin flips, each against different candidates, and in each case the Buttigieg campaign picked tails and tails won: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Zo1UZrOEw Why do the coins keep coming up tails? It smells suspiciously like a weighted coin. This affects the number of delegates won, meaning Buttigieg has won potentially three delegates that he shouldn't have. With regard to the popular vote tally, the big problem seems to be th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/20 07:49 AM
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Maybe you have a point on some of the policies being untested. But I don't know how you can watch that coin toss video and think it was fair. The guy literally hides the coin in his hand and it looks like he turns it over. Wouldn't it be more objective to let the coin land on the ground where all the campaigners could see it? Oh, and the media are using this debacle to argue caucuses should be abolished. I wonder why they want to get rid of a part of the electoral system that is difficult to rig…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/20 05:08 AM
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Ah, so your concerns are about religion and traditional gender roles? I'm an atheist, as well as obviously a male advocate, so I can't say I'm unconcerned about that. Those tensions definitely exist within the "SJW" identity politics coalition (and this is also relevant to our other thread, because I gather Islam is the original reason Dave Rubin split off from the left). So I don't dismiss it entirely, but I think the far-right scaremongers about the degree of this problem. But I think it's far…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/20 05:00 AM
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Ah, Stefan Molyneux...now it all makes sense. Not that it justifies it, but Rubin seems to like bringing in shock jocks from the other side a lot. Again, my problem isn't necessarily that he talks to someone like Molyneux, who undeniably has plenty of interesting things to say. My problem is that Rubin seems to barely challenge the claims of his guests, most of whom are right-wing. Yeah, that doesn't honestly surprise me, and the reasons he gave in his video strike me as wholly unsurprising too.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/20 04:17 AM
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Now I think about it, the gentrification debate is pretty similar to the immigration debate. I guess right-wingers dislike how a community may change when poor people move into it, and left-wingers dislike how a community may change when rich people move into it. That's an interesting comparison which I may have to think more about. I don't think it's going to cause her to question her devotion to identity politics; she understands why her own people are upset by it, so there's a exception-makin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/20 03:29 AM
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And you think socialist policies are going to correct this why? There are other ways to address such things without socialist polices. This is besides socialist polices have proven not to work. Because socialist policies (depending on exactly what is meant by that) would either reduce or eliminate those elites' source of power, which is their control over the economy. How would you address it? Bernie is proposing fairly moderate social-democratic reforms, which have worked historically and in so…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/20 02:53 AM
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I'm not necessarily endorsing that rhetoric, I'm just explaining the reasoning behind it. I think circumcision is wrong no matter what word is used to describe it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/20 05:59 PM
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Why socialist policies? Because it's economic elites who currently control policy in the US and are screwing everything up. You might like to check out this Princeton University study: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B, https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/princeton-scholar-demise-of-democracy-america-tpm-interview And the events of Iowa further ca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/20 03:20 PM
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Yes, on average men are physically stronger than women. However, I fear that emphasizing this in political arguments risks lending weight to the argument that male-on-female violence is more serious than female-on-male violence. And while I generally like manwomanmyth's videos, this one strikes me as a little scaremongery. I'm pretty sure a fire department is not going to assign tasks to people who are too physically weak to perform them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/20 01:40 PM
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Really, is this centrist? https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/ey941e/maybeunpopular_opinion_do_male_issues_belong_on/ There are many people here who are more centrist than me, because I decided to create a big tent. But who on here is homophobic or transphobic? Men are not their own oppressors. Firstly, only a small elite of men have written laws, and those men do not write the laws to benefit other men. Women might not have written the original laws, but in case you haven't …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/20 01:07 PM
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Yeah, I'm aware there's more than a single spectrum. I guess I tend to categorize primarily by that economic spectrum with some consideration of other issues. Somewhere in the late 2000s or early 2010s the New Atheist movement split into a "Social justice" wing and into a "Civil libertarianism" wing. But some people began to define themselves more in terms of opposition to the social justice wing. This movement got co-opted by social conservatives. The irony is that a lot of people who used to b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/20 12:37 PM
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Really? Ugh... At least once, in this interview with Stefan Molyneux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0KKc6GbeNo By the way, another point on the race-and-IQ thing: even if such a correlation could be proven to exist, it still wouldn't prove it was genetic. Racists jump to that conclusion by ignoring all the environmental factors. Non-whites are more likely to grow up in poverty, and/or experience relative poverty in majority-white countries, either of which impacts an individual's psychology. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/20 10:51 AM
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Okay. I will admit to looking at this from partisan interest. I don't hold any particular belief on trans women in sports because I don't care about sports.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/20 08:55 AM
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Note that you as an American probably know more about Cortez than I do. Warren's always seemed like a Far-Left candidate to me, but one that has gotten in with the Establishment by making compromises (which arguably makes her more Center). Actually she started out as a Republican decades ago. I tend to categorize people by where they stand now, but again it's hard to know what they truly believe in their minds (or for politicians, what they truly intend if they get into power). I thought her cam…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/20 08:19 AM
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Rubin does have a good number of Right-wing guests on and comparatively few Left-wing guests, but he also has centrists on. Yes, when I was researching Rubin yesterday I came across an interesting video (I think it was this one) arguing he initially had more left-wing guests but over time was drawn further and further into right-wing circles. It does show the problem of political tribalism. Of particular cringe was the episode he had with Larry Elder, in which he allowed Larry to convince him th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/20 07:32 AM
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I honestly don't recall specific ones right now, but I know I've heard him voice support for various leftist ideas in passing. Again, he just doesn't talk about them that much. I guess I question whether that support is genuine, or whether he is just giving some tokenistic virtue-signalling disclaimers before making his real argument. I mean, plenty of right-wing politicians also say things like "Of course I care very much about the environment..." and then proceed to list excuses to oppose any …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/20 06:25 AM
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We'll see.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/20 10:15 AM
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I guess I would argue that we need not pick a political aisle to stand in. We should advocate for what we believe in and let the people who share those beliefs coalesce around us. Gradually, we will be pigeon-holed by society into an aisle, but it won't be one of our own choosing, it will just be what bin society perceives us to be in. Do you mean "we" as in male advocates generally, or specifically Left Wing Male Advocates? Because so far that process has resulted in right-wingers and far-right…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/20 07:41 AM
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Dave Rubin seems to be mainly a platform for right-wing propagandists at this point. Does he ever challenge any of the right-wing claims made by his guests? Does he even have any ideas of his own? Rubin is right about free speech, but only seems concerned about it when the views affected are right-wing, or anyone else like MRAs who are being opposed by the politically correct left. Pretty much every interview he does is with some critic of the left. Much like Pool, he claims he's not right-wing,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/20 07:07 AM
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I think we've been at cross-purposes. My bad
/r/MensRights04/02/20 05:55 AM
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I have to say, I'm a bit shocked you put these two in the same category. I would agree Tim Pool is catering to the same crowd as Rubin, but I think Sargon caters to a far more Right-wing demographic. Maybe there's some overlap, but I find them to be very different. Maybe. They've all moved way to the right over time, and perhaps Sargon has moved the furthest. Well, to be fair, until recently, those were both Far Left ideas. It's only been in the last few years or so that the Center Left has embr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/20 05:28 AM
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I haven't watched a whole lot of Pool's content but whenever I come across it I'm not very impressed. He strikes me as filling a similar niche to Dave Rubin or Carl Benjamin, though perhaps not as extreme as they've become. He claims to be left-wing and maybe was in the past (he started out covering Occupy). But it seems like his whole shtick now is about criticizing the left on everything. He describes fairly mainstream left-wing policies (eg. the Green New Deal or even Medicare For All) as "th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/20 02:42 AM
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Or maybe not, if Bernie is the candidate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_DAPSt5NC0
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/20 01:51 AM
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Equating circumcision with rape is a pretty straightforward argument. It's a nonconsensual touching of the genitals, indeed far worse than merely touching. Circumcision inflicts extreme pain and permanent mutilation on the genitals of a nonconsenting infant boy. The main difference is that the motivation isn't sexual (indeed if you look into the history of circumcision, the motivation is to prevent masturbation). "Worse than rape" is a more controversial piece of rhetoric but not entirely indefe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/20 01:49 AM
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So are we in agreement that the focus should be on expanding the services to everyone who needs them? EDIT: Just to clarify my position a bit more: Voting on the basis of lower taxes is not a good way to bring about positive change for men, because reducing the pool of government revenue will if anything incentivize feminists to be even more aggressive in ensuring funding is focused on women, reducing the proportion allocated to men.
/r/MensRights03/02/20 11:12 PM
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Sure. As I was just arguing in my OP, it could even be argued that it's a far-left position to base it on need rather than on race or gender! What irks me though is the framing of "white men" (and the other variations - "cis straight white men", "rich white men", "old white men", etc etc). When centrist anti-SJWs do this, it plays into the hands of those on both left and right who want to conflate male concerns with the concerns of other "privileged" identities. The feminist left does this to sh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 11:09 PM
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Hmm. Well what you're suggesting there is not easy, to say the least.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 10:39 PM
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If we can't use the term "left-wing" anymore, then what term would you suggest to replace its old meaning?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 10:37 PM
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Well, I can kind of see that argument. And if MRAs/MGTOWs actually had enough supporters to meaningfully negotiate with the state, maybe then it might make sense to demand that men's tax dollars go to benefiting men or something. But in the present political situation, I guess I just think opposing taxes because they disproportionately flow to women is a myopic position which hamstrings any attempt to improve government programs to help men or anyone else.
/r/MensRights03/02/20 10:35 PM
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Well, I can kind of see that argument. And if MRAs/MGTOWs actually had enough supporters to meaningfully negotiate with the state, maybe then it might make sense to demand that men's tax dollars go to benefiting men or something. But in the present political situation, I guess I just think opposing taxes because they disproportionately flow to women is a myopic position which hamstrings any attempt to improve government programs to help men or anyone else.
/r/MensRights03/02/20 10:34 PM
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I pretty much agree. I try to stay a million miles away from "white issues", because the "white identitarians" are basically fascists - at least, the ones who have a defined ideology. Their "white issues" are about an alleged Zionist conspiracy to mix racial bloodlines and stop the white race from breeding, and their "solutions" are to deport or kill racial minorities. There are of course more moderate "anti-SJWs" who bring up the issues you mention, SJW demonization and affirmative action. But …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 10:27 PM
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Is there any proof of this, or is this some secular garden of Eden to look back at and seek to restore, or at least not want to regress further from. Oddly enough, isn't a callback to this supposed noble state by definition reactionary? Those arguments have often been made against the prehistoric matriarchy narrative! I'm not sure how much of it to believe. It might well have been relatively egalitarian due to there being less wealth to distribute. It might well have been "matriarchal", but I'm …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 08:48 PM
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I see Tulsi as more of a Libertarian or 3rd party candidate than a Dem. Fair enough. I did say I prefer the anti-establishment candidates. Warren has issues telling the truth. I agree, I don't like or trust Warren at all. If Dems really cared about whistleblowers and their outings, Ed Snowden would have been very protected. Instead he was forced to flee the country and take refuge with our largest geopolitical foe. I totally agree. I hate the establishment Democrats too. The only reason why I ca…
/r/MensRights03/02/20 07:32 PM
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Interesting, that's two people here who like Sanders, amid otherwise total opposition to the Democrats. And the establishment propaganda claims Sanders is the most unelectable!
/r/MensRights03/02/20 06:51 PM
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As for wealth being taken from wives/ girlfriends.... IT'S NOT THEIR MONEY. Whenever feminists argue that men own more wealth and are paid more than women, MRAs respond that men are earning more money because they're doing more difficult jobs because of the pressure on men to be breadwinners for their wives/girlfriends, and their wives/girlfriends are also benefiting from that same money. This is one of the arguments made against the idea of male privilege. And it's an analysis I broadly agree w…
/r/MensRights03/02/20 06:48 PM
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I'm actually researching for a blog post comparing the Democratic candidates' positions on men's issues. This is a subreddit about men's issues, so I figured the people here might have some knowledge to contribute about the candidates' positions on men's issues. I am not necessarily endorsing any candidate. I said at the outset that I don't necessarily disagree with the view that the Democratic candidates are all bad. I still think it's worth asking who might be least-worst on specifically male …
/r/MensRights03/02/20 06:29 PM
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That does seem to be where many disenfranchised men are ending up, unfortunately.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 05:42 PM
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Sure, the aim of anyone's advocacy should be to reach the normies. But I'm talking about which ideology is a better fit, and the Overton Window of "normie" opinions is potentially moveable. Bi-partisan, as in, something that should ideally concern both sides of the political spectrum, yes. Fair enough, I guess I'm saying a similar thing with regard to the far-left. Obviously I'd be happy for anyone to care, I just see it fitting better with left-wing ideology... despite the bad fit with current …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 05:40 PM
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Bi-partisan? Wouldn't that mean supported by both political tribes? It seems to me the problem is that it's supported by neither political tribe! EDIT: Anyway, do you have any particular arguments against the reasoning in my post? For example, what did you think of the points I made about centrism?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 04:42 PM
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She endorsed him - is he supposed to reject her endorsement? Ironically that's the same argument being made about Joe Rogan.
/r/MensRights03/02/20 04:08 PM
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I never said a man's wife or gf was entitled to his wealth. I'm just acknowledging the reality that most wealthy men also have women benefiting from their wealth, so taxes are not really an attack on men as you seemed to be arguing.
/r/MensRights03/02/20 03:42 PM
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Keep in mind that people who are voting for these people are only doing so because "Orange Man Bad". I can see that Trump has taken steps to address the campus rape tribunals issue, but that's about it. Otherwise it looks to me like he's making the world a worse place, so I can't understand your worship of him. These types of people want everything for free and expect the evil white man to pay for it all, because slavery/ privilage/ ect. Are you making the argument that taxes hit men hardest bec…
/r/MensRights03/02/20 03:15 PM
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Each has an agenda that will push more men into the background of importance in this country and discount their true value to society. That's a pretty vague statement. Care to elaborate on what you mean by it? Does it apply even to Yang with his universal basic income to address technological unemployment? Even Bernie with his plans to create new jobs? Even Tulsi with her less cavalier attitude about sending troops to war? You cannot tax one group into prosperity while expecting another group to…
/r/MensRights03/02/20 03:01 PM
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As the person who started this subreddit, I outlined the reasons when I wrote the Mission Statement: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/wiki/missionstatement#wiki_why_is_a_specifically_left-wing_male_issues_subreddit_needed.3F
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 01:11 PM
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Klobuchar just got exposed as having falsely convicted a teenage boy: https://apnews.com/115076e2bd194cfa7560cb4642ab8038 This is being widely described as a racial issue, but it could also be seen as a male issue. Hopefully her candidacy will implode over this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 09:55 AM
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Klobuchar just got exposed as having falsely convicted a teenage boy: https://apnews.com/115076e2bd194cfa7560cb4642ab8038 This is being widely described as a racial issue, but it could also be seen as a male issue. Hopefully her candidacy will implode over this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 09:52 AM
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The point is about the ideology, not about Duluth specifically.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 06:13 AM
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The Duluth model and the broader ideological agenda behind it remains relevant. Just last week, the Council of Europe told the Netherlands to make its domestic violence policies more gendered! There are undeniably still very powerful feminist groups pushing for policies treating women as victims and men as perpetrators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/20 03:32 AM
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Thanks. I was aware of the policy but didn't know its name. (Again as I said, I'm not American)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/20 10:56 AM
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I was about to go back and rewatch those interviews, when I realized almost all the candidates interviewed by Farrell have already dropped out of the race! The only one left is Yang.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/20 09:00 AM
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And what are the Obama OCR policies? Is this the campus rape stuff?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/20 08:38 AM
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What does OCR stand for?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/20 08:25 AM
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It's not an easy question to answer because the candidates are not usually asked about men's issues, and because it's a pretty broad range of issues that men face so a candidate might support some but not others. Also I'm not American so I may be missing some things. Firstly I'll be upfront about my bias: on general human issues, I greatly prefer the most left-wing candidates - Tulsi Gabbard, Bernie Sanders, and Andrew Yang. Though there is considerable variation between them, these candidates c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/20 06:05 AM
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1.) Expecting women to always smile. This claim baffles me because I'm a man, and I've often been told to smile by both my dad and my therapist. And feminists are constantly pressuring men to show more emotions, but demonize men for showing negative emotions, which suggests feminists only want to hear positive emotions from men. So this doesn't seem like a particularly gendered issue, and in some ways it's men who are being pressured to change their emotional display. I don't think that guys who…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/20 05:19 AM
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It is often asserted that sexual misconduct was "about power, not sex", but then why do they give androgen blockers to sex offenders. I agree. That assertion is feminist bullshit made up by Susan Brownmiller to demonize men. It's not based in any evidence and defies common sense. It's like saying "theft is about power, not property". It completely misses the point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/20 02:40 PM
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On the other hand, there is academic research indicating that men really do have higher sex drives than women, and that really does slant the bargaining power in a heterosexual relationship towards the woman. http://www.catherinehakim.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/2015-IntSoc-MaleSexualDeficit.pdf. Wow, that was a depressing read.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/20 02:21 PM
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Yeah, I think I also pretty much come down on the side of decrim, but with reservations for the reasons I described above.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/20 02:20 PM
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I am not sure what my position is (except for the part about free porn - I certainly agree that's a good thing!). The unattractive men - a category which seems to include me as far as I can tell - are between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, of course ideally I'd prefer that sex be cost-free. (And for the record, I have never paid for sex, though maybe someday I'll resort to paying for it just to find out what all the fuss is about.) On the other hand, society has yet to come up with an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/20 10:36 AM
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u/ABitterSatireHeWrote is arguing that's the implication of more profits for stockholders (which according to Marxist theory is wealth that should belong to the labourer). Still, I hope we can all agree reducing worker accidents is a positive even if it's within the existing system. Also as u/Oncefa2 points out, it shows capitalism often isn't as efficient as it claims to be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/20 01:24 AM
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Hi, I must have missed this discussion at the time, but I agree with you on conscription and I would hate for you to get the impression that this subreddit is pro-war.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/20 08:38 AM
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Hi, I'm the creator of this subreddit. I must have missed this discussion at the time, but I agree with your anti-war views and I would hate for you to get the impression that this subreddit is pro-war.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/20 08:38 AM
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Hi, I'm the creator of this subreddit. I must have missed this discussion at the time, but I agree with your anti-war views and I would hate for you to get the impression that this subreddit is pro-war.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/20 08:37 AM
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Hi, I'm the creator of this subreddit. I must have missed this discussion at the time, but I agree with you about the military-industrial complex and I would hate for you to get the impression that this subreddit is pro-war.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/20 08:35 AM
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I think that was a stretch. u/virginsex0ffender clearly wasn't saying all women are incompetent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/20 08:22 AM
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I am reinstating this video because there was nothing wrong with it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/20 08:01 AM
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I am reinstating this video because there was nothing wrong with it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/20 08:01 AM
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I am reinstating this video because there was nothing wrong with it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/20 08:01 AM
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Sorry this was removed by a junior moderator. I have restored it because I do think it is relevant to men's issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/20 07:30 AM
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I think this is very much relevant to male issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/20 07:29 AM
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I wrote a bit about Cyntoia Brown in an old thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/cx12yl/what_do_you_think_of_these_two_articles_covering/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/20 05:01 PM
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I'm not sure if there's anything that should be done specifically about suicide. I think suicide is less of an issue in itself than it is a symptom of other issues. So we really should be addressing the causes of the higher male suicide rate, which are surely all the other male issues. That said, I probably agree with most ideas suggested by u/HashtagMenAreCash and others in this thread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/20 03:52 AM
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At the moment, I'm tending to say Left Wing Male Advocate, despite its clunkiness.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/20 03:26 AM
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I will have to look further into this when I have time, but yes this is extremely scary. Feminist lawyers have been defending women who murder men since at least the 1980s, and not only in the UK. But in the past the defence I've heard about was "preemptive self-defence" - the argument that the woman killed her male partner or ex-partner because he was allegedly violent and might have killed her if she hadn't struck first. (Curiously, this was also George W. Bush's justification for the Iraq War…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/20 12:28 PM
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She said "sexual assault". Sure, the most powerful men might be able to buy their way out of legal trouble, but the vast majority of men do not have that capability. And I have seen the same arguments being used against random men online, Youtubers for example. I do agree with your broader point that the actual left is waking up to the problems of cancel culture. And I generally like Krystal Ball, it is just this one point on which I disagree with her.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/20 03:38 AM
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I was very pleased when Contrapoints released that video! She's saying a lot of the same things that critics of feminism have been saying for years, but hopefully more people will listen when she says them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/20 03:32 AM
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I'm not necessarily saying your conclusion is wrong, but your evidence is a bit weak. The first quote is not from Ozy Frantz/Brennan, but from an unrelated site called ozy.com. The first paragraph from the second quote is also not from her, it's a question she's replying to from another feminist camp. The third quote is real, though it's seven years old so I don't know whether it reflects her current position.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/20 03:27 AM
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I thought it worthwhile because so often you see some commenters try to equate this sort of identitarianism with "the left" or "the far left," when it's often anything but. Unfortunately I don't think any part of the political spectrum has particularly good attitudes toward males. They're all bad in different ways. The right and the far right are bad because they push traditional gender roles, unrestrained capitalism, etc. The center is probably the worst, because they engage in the Elizabeth Wa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 11:56 AM
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Obviously I'm happy that pro-Bernie commentators are calling out Warren's nonsense. But I've noticed they're having to intellectually twist themselves in knots to reconcile their new position with the underlying principle of "believe women" to which they've already committed themselves. They try to claim the media are misappropriating a good argument as a weapon. But I disagree - it was always a weapon. The centrists defending Warren are using the exact same guilty-until-proven-innocent logic, b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 11:44 AM
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It's been many years since I came to the realization that feminists (though not all, of course) are not inclined to give male advocates a fair hearing, regardless of whether we identify as anti-feminist. To quote my Mission Statement: Feminism’s dual reputation puts male advocates in a no-win position. Some feminists say men’s issues advocates should work within feminism because the movement is about gender equality for all. Some feminists say raising men’s issues in feminist spaces is “derailin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 09:10 AM
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One of the most interesting aspects of this feud is that the centrists defending Warren are using the same guilty-until-proven-innocent arguments so often used when women accuse men of sexual misconduct (see 11 minutes into the video, or this tweet). I've noticed many left-wing commentators are trying to counter this by saying it’s a false analogy and false appropriation of arguments like “believe women”. But I disagree. It’s the exact same logic, based on the exact same premise that women are a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 02:59 PM
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Great point at 4 minutes: "They take an awful lot of time talking about toxic masculinity, but when a man says or does anything apparently caused by it, they never offer resources to help him, all they do is shame him and explain how it's because of his toxic behaviour that women continue to be so overly oppressed."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 02:20 PM
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Interesting. Did you present yourself as siding with or against the women's marchers? Did you march with the women or stand next to the march like you're doing in the video? What kind of a response did you get? Did people comment on your sign, positively or negatively?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 01:19 PM
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Another example is the blatant censorship at menslib: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/eljyvb/subtle_demonization_of_straight_male_sexualities/fdimvn1/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 01:09 PM
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It might have been better to put the title in quotation marks or something to make clear that you're not endorsing the sentiment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 12:12 PM
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I'm encouraged to hear you've had some success with that argument! I will have to try using it more myself in future. I know the criminal sentencing gap is 6 times worse. Are you saying that's true for homelessness and other things too? Do have a source for that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 12:09 PM
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Yeah, I wasn't really sure how best to define point 8. Now I think about it, Valenti was more criticizing women who view sex as a commodity to sell to the highest bidder, but because she thinks it harms women rather than out of any concern for men, so she wouldn't really score an 8 now I think about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 11:57 AM
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Hmm, yeah I forgot about the male tears thing. And now I think about it, Valenti was more criticizing women who view sex as a commodity to sell to the highest bidder, but because she thinks it harms women rather than out of any concern for men, so she wouldn't really score an 8 now I think about it. Yeah, there are problems with the scale. I may have to think about it more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 11:55 AM
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It has some truth to it. It's consistent with what male advocates observe, that bad ideas and actions are usually blamed on men but in many cases can be traced to a woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 11:46 AM
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This is another post that I could not have put better myself. I just wish I knew how to get other left-wingers to see it this way... One thing I would add is that men have a lot of the same characteristics as poor people and black people, ie. the groups generally acknowledged to be disadvantaged: Seen as more violent and threatening (and socialized to be more capable of violence) Seen as more criminal, more likely to be imprisoned, and more likely to be targeted by police violence. Seen as less …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/20 12:19 PM
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Hmm, I may have to think about it more. I'm tempted to point out that the multidimensionality of beliefs doesn't stop people measuring things on a left-right spectrum. But then on the other hand, one of the reasons this subreddit exists is due to the limitations of that approach. So yeah, you have a point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/20 03:53 AM
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I don't think a 0 level person would be that easily persuaded! It's not like bigotry against a minority who they may have never met - everyone has met lots of men already.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/20 08:09 PM
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I'm pretty sure r/menslib have a list of links to things feminists supposedly said or did on men's issues. Or maybe it's on r/askfeminists or r/againstmensrights, I'm not 100% sure. Of course, r/mensrights has a similar list of ways feminism has discriminated against men, and IIRC their list is longer! Anyway yeah, your example again illustrates the kind of thing I'm talking about - that rape definition change helped men but only incidentally as part of an overall anti-male agenda. Helping the m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/20 08:05 PM
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Great post! You said it better than I could.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/20 05:00 PM
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Prim Reaper also has another good video on this topic, where she points out that contrasting "toxic masculinity" with “positive masculinity” is basically saying men’s traits are only good if they benefit society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/20 12:00 PM
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Yes, it's easier for them to see through this smear tactic when it's used against someone who is undeniably more left-wing than the accuser. Still, it's an advance on pre-2016 when those same people likely wouldn't have noticed the "misogyny" label being used to smear anyone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 04:19 PM
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No, what he said was "I don't believe a woman could win" and that tells more about our political climate than it does about his personal beliefs on the matter. He didn't say anything negative about women but rather the chance women have of winning the vote Sure, it is possible that is what he said. and damnit, he isn't wrong! I think people would vote for a female presidential candidate. A theatre group re-staged the 2016 presidential debates with a woman playing Trump and a man playing Hillary,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 04:16 PM
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The ERA may make little difference at all, but if it has any impact I predict it will help more than harm men. I can't think of any anti-male agenda that would be particularly enabled by the ERA. I actually wasn't aware of the left-wing feminists who opposed the ERA until I read that Wikipedia article yesterday. Do you happen to have any more info on that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 03:48 PM
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Coincidentally, this same point was brought up in an article I read today while researching Bernie vs Warren: Bernie Sanders has promised to cancel all outstanding student debt. Elizabeth Warren says that “my plan would provide at least some debt cancellation for 95% of people with student loan debt (and complete and total student debt cancellation for more than 75%).” [...] Now, reading this, it becomes clear that at least for me, there is a giant difference between Warren and Sanders. I have $…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 03:41 PM
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I was about to post a thread entitled "Why I support the US Equal Rights Amendment", but you beat me to it! The ERA is very short and simple: Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. Sec. 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. Sec. 3. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification. I think the ERA can only be g…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 01:49 PM
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Interesting, so Sanders and Gabbard aren't the only ones being targeted - though Yang doesn't seem to receive the level of demonization they do. I guess it's a spectrum based on how much a candidate challenges the establishment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 01:03 PM
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That is true. He has the advantage of being pro-billionaire though. If you're familiar with the American system, maybe you could check out my other comment on the Democrats' election rigging and let me know if I'm getting things right or wrong.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 12:35 PM
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I should mention the caveat that I don't think any part of the political spectrum is great on male issues. But I do think the left tends to have the best ideas on broader human issues. They haven't rigged anything here. Here are several ways in which the 2020 primary could be rigged: Vote hacking. There were suspicious irregularities in voting data from 2016, and attempts to audit the results were either blocked or ignored the allegations they were supposed to be considering. Bernie received few…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 11:57 AM
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In the UK the Lib Dems have at least managed to escape from complete obscurity, something the U.S. Green party and Libertarians haven't managed, but they are still being punished hard for the one time they did manage to get into a coalition government with the Tories. Yeah, a similar thing happened with the Australian Greens. (I should note that I like them for their environmental and general left-wing policies, but NOT for their feminist policies on issues like intimate partner violence.) I agr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 07:20 AM
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Its seems those on the left aren't playing ball with the DNC. Gee, I wonder why they aren't playing ball with the DNC, which has a history of rigging its process against left-wing candidates.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 06:23 AM
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Clearly we differ on which wing of the party we prefer! To be honest I have very little time for establishment Democrats; they represent the status quo and don't do much to benefit the average person (and certainly not the average man). The best that can be said about them is they don't try to impose religious ideas on people. I'll admit it would be more ideal if the left-wingers within the Democrats formed a third party, or migrated to one of the existing third parties (eg. Green Party). I fear…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 06:21 AM
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Exactly. They've been doing it at least since Wallace in 1944. I know that and I'm not even an American - I wish more Americans would wise up to it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 05:04 AM
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I think it's very likely that Elizabeth Warren made up the supposed remark as propaganda against Bernie. Particularly considering Warren's history of lying about her ancestry to gain identity politics points. Also notice how Warren smiles after the question... almost as if she's smiling at CNN uncritically repeating her lie. It's very dishonest of the media to present this unsubstantiated rumor as an unquestioned fact.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 04:36 AM
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Indeed, I can see it happening in this very thread!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 04:16 AM
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They're not mutually exclusive. Why is the DNC so intent on screwing over left-wing candidates? I bet corporate donors are one of the reasons.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 04:04 AM
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But this wholesale segregation of toys into boys and girls is absolute shit. I think every toy is a toy for both boys and girls. Oh, I agree with that. I'm not arguing in favor of treating people differently based on their gender, I'm just saying biology might make it difficult to 100% stamp out. Anyway, I'm glad we've reached a point we agree on!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 03:40 AM
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Obviously, neither of us actually have any power to redraft the amendment. I was really just trying to make the point that it's already about as good as it could be. I would love to help, but I don't know how to phrase ERA with the use of legal language to say: "Please don't use this as a pretext to act maliciously because your philosophy is bigoted against men, seeing them as a source of all the evils in the world, and don't shift the functions of the legal and social systems in subtle ways so,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/20 11:42 AM
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Oh, that was a quick reply! I was still editing my comment to tidy it up a bit. As long as we both understand that this law isn't going to give us anything in itself, except maybe a possible platform to challenge existing double-standards from. Sure, that's probably right. Perhaps I should support it, but I feel uneasy saying OK to something that can be used to introduce more double-standards against men into the legal system. I think feminists have already done plenty of that. I don't see how t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/20 10:41 AM
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I'm sorry. It's unkind to say, but I didn't notice, what was the guys name? I don't believe I responded to him any differently than I would have to anyone else. I don't blame you for not knowing who he is. He's posted here under various different account names: 72incelsinparadise, thin-ant, fat-ant, girlwritesfatwas, maybe others I missed. He tends to post info on how men are treated in traditionalism, Islam, and eastern Europe (my guess is he's a man living in a traditionalist Muslim-majority p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/20 10:22 AM
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If you had actually hung around to hear my opinion, I would have told you I'm 100% in favor of the Equal Rights Amendment and I think it is the only logical position for a male advocate to take. And now I see I was right to suspect you're the same person who keeps deleting your account. Why are you doing this? You're just wasting everyone's time by starting discussions that you then delete - how does that advance any cause?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/20 09:19 AM
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That is indeed pretty much the context, but my point is she literally said "property". We've already agreed that elite men aren't benefiting the average man. They are benefiting themselves - and their wives. Unfortunately I have to agree biology plays a role (which as you mentioned, is another point often censored by other feminists). It's also an example of a third cause of gender issues that is neither patriarchy nor feminism. But even if it can't be entirely stamped out, it is something that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/20 07:09 AM
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I think you've triggered him and made him delete his account yet again. How many times has he done this now? It's a cycle that is getting tedious - I'm not sure how much to blame him and how much to blame you. For the record, if I'd got around to replying I would have said (though I'm not American) that I would support an Equal Rights Amendment. (By the way it's also supported by AVFM so this is a pretty standard MRA position.) I think you may not be entirely informed about the debate on the ERA…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/20 06:38 AM
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The point is that it establishes a legal way to challenge discrimination against men. That's why Phyllis Schafly opposed the ERA, because she didn't want that to happen. She specifically named Warren Farrell as someone she was afraid of, and the draft as a major issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/20 06:35 AM
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I do see the good cop bad cop argument. I sometimes see comments on menslib of the type "I'm a feminist woman and this is a welcoming place to learn more about the issues men face." I think it's a highly censored sanitized version of male issues, mixed with male-blaming and guilt-tripping, but they are reaching people we can't reach. If it's moving feminists in the right direction, albeit not far enough, then maybe it's doing some good. Unfortunately their censorship is a big part of what makes …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/20 06:16 AM
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I know you're probably sick of being dogpiled but I have to address that last point. I think "whataboutism" is not a legitimate accusation. Other than feminists, the only group I hear using the term are the defenders of American foreign policy. That is telling. When American war hawks demonize other countries, it's legitimate to point out American atrocities. Likewise when feminists portray men as the oppressors, women as the victims, and feminists as the saviours, it's legitimate to point out t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/20 05:22 AM
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Yes, it's basically a system of wealth management. Women of course only being one form of property in the system. If that's the case then why didn't it emerge earlier? Women didn't suddenly begin existing when other property became more hoardable. Anyway I'm not convinced that women were treated as mere property. Both wives and husbands had legal and/or societal obligations toward each other - wives had less freedom and authority, but husbands had all the protector-provider stuff. And although o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/20 04:35 AM
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Hi! Feel free to post a reply to my stickied comment, where you'll be seen by more people. Now, the decision to “yeet” some comments or lock the post wasn’t mine. Fair enough, I wasn't criticizing you for that. But please understand that feminists of today don’t disregard female on male violence It does seem there has been significant improvement on this issue over the last decade or so. Still, feminists tend to avoid any discussion of what happens when an abusive woman accuses her male partner …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 03:31 PM
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There are other places (like here!) for these kinds of posts. r/Menslib just assumes you've already done the work of moving past the MRM, you've made your peace with feminism, and you're asking questions about what being a man actually means. Riiiiight. And all the deleted comments in the bropill thread were deleted because there's yet another feminist forum where those comments should have been posted. Yeah, they're totally not censoring anyone for criticizing feminism.</sarcasm>
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 02:58 PM
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Again, they were both very reasonable comments which appear to have been deleted purely for criticizing feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 02:52 PM
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I don't know what purpose that sticky was supposed to serve, because as far as I can see one "bad person" replied to it and it got deleted anyway. I think the purpose was so the moderator could easily find which comments to delete. So I try to pre-empt these objections by posting some arguments and sources to stave off accusations of baseless "hatred, but then that gets called "gish-galloping". Yep, it's a Kaftatrap. If you don't present evidence, it's because you don't understand feminism is ab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 02:02 PM
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Yeah, I notice the mods of bropill deleted your comments. u/HashtagMenAreCash's comment was deleted too, and even one of u/cromulent_weasel's comments because it criticized MensLib's censorship. His other comment mentioning r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates is still up, maybe because he's critical of LWMA or maybe the mods just missed it which is a small mercy. The ridiculous level of censorship in many left-wing spaces is one of the biggest obstacles facing left wing male advocates. I don't know how best…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 01:08 PM
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Downvoted? That very sensible left-wing comment has now been deleted by the moderators of bropill.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 12:22 PM
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I think what you are getting at, that I have seen verbalised in other ways on here is something like 'patriarchy isn't actually benefitting men'. Exactly. I think it is inappropriate to call it "patriarchy" because that implies it benefits men. I think that patriarchal systems are ultimately set up to benefit the 1%. This does make a lot more sense than society being set up to benefit men in general. If it only benefits elite men, then I think it is still very misleading to call it "patriarchy".…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 09:13 AM
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I'm not sure what point u/Oncefa2 was trying to make there - maybe they misunderstood you and thought you said those women got divorced. I'll let them defend their own statements. In any case I am certainly not defending physical violence of any sort. I didn't have a "fight" response either, I was more "flight" or maybe "freeze". I don't know what I should have done either.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 08:29 AM
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Thanks!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 08:12 AM
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I think u/Forgetaboutthelonely is overstating the case on rape - it's difficult to find any punishment or even concept of female-on-male sexual assault before the 20th century. But it's undeniable that feminists have often lobbied to keep it that way, such as India. However, there was traditionally some acknowledgement that women could be violent and abusive in intimate relationships - there was even a stereotype to describe it. It seems often the male victim would be punished for allowing his w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 07:55 AM
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Interesting, I was not aware of that book.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 06:30 AM
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I disagree with that. Here's one example. I lived in Georgia briefly, and had out of state license plates. My black co-worker asked my how many times I got stopped by the police because of my license plates, because he got stopped for his every week. I had NEVER been stopped by the police. The license plates were a crock of shit, and my co-worker was actually guilty of 'driving while black'. I am inclined to think white privilege is a real thing - it's difficult to think of any disadvantages to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 06:26 AM
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I am pinning this comment to reassure people that the OP's views do not represent this subreddit. But I am not censoring the post and I invite u/cromulent_weasel or u/savethebro to continue making their case. These days I'm not sure whether I'd call myself an "MRA" - I now call myself a Left Wing Male Advocate to distance myself from the more right-wing views within the MRM - but I still hold to most of the criticisms of feminism so I still defend MRAs against the claim that feminism will solve …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 06:18 AM
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You didn't answer u/Oncefa2's question - you didn't explain how those problems are supposedly rooted in men dominating women. I also don't have any close friends unless you count family members. In my case it may be caused by my autism. I used to believe bullying was caused by masculine norms, because I remember being bullied by mainly boys and particularly boys who fitted into the masculine norm (eg. athletic). But now I understand school bullying is done by girls as well as boys, it just happe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 06:09 AM
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I'm not criticizing CALM for addressing suicide (though if they are controlled by a feminist, I have concerns about how that might affect how they treat their male clients). I'm criticizing feminists because the only issue on which they seem proactive about helping men is an issue which can be framed as something internal to men rather than being caused by society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 05:40 AM
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Every word in the feminist lexicon casts men as oppressors and women as victims. You can't tell me that's not intentional at some level.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 05:28 AM
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There are benefit and disadvantages to the patriarchy for both men and women. For men, they are disadvantaged by being expected to sacrifice their time and lives working to keep women safe. No, there are expected social roles which cost something. Just like there are benefits. Why is this not the case for any other "privileged" group? Rich people, white people, people who went to elite universities, and so on all have longer life expectancy, are less expected to sacrifice their lives, have less …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 05:27 AM
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Yeah. I think this is the logical conclusion to third wave intersectional feminism. Once you go granular enough, EVERYBODY has their own story and deserves the benefit of their actions being seen within the context of their life situation. It's good that you see it that way. The problem is those who have a different interpretation of feminism and/or third-wave intersectional feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 05:07 AM
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They are looking at men's issues only as mental health issues in men's heads. They are not looking at the long list of external issues impacting men's wellbeing, any and all of which may be contributors to male mental health issues and suicide.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/20 04:49 AM
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Yep, it seems like men are expected to do two opposite things at once.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 04:37 PM
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For the record, I agree with u/LettuceBeGrateful. Religion should not give a parent the right to mutilate their child's genitals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 04:27 PM
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I'm no statistician, but I'm pretty sure for any other issue a 2% effect size would be considered within error.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 04:25 PM
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Haha, yeah pretty much. I think there are a few different human voices in their videos these days, so they might have progressed to being the People's Front of Judea.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 03:18 PM
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Sure, this is one argument we can make but it shouldn't be emphasized too much. Men's issues should be addressed first and foremost because of men's humanity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 02:35 PM
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It seems everyone else here is too fed up with your Pro-Male Collective to engage with the video's ideas, so I might as well put forward my own thoughts on it. 0:00: From the beginning, this video is very self-aggrandizing. You're talking like nobody has ever made these points before. I agree with much of the video, but it says nothing new and merely repeats points previously made by your group and others. 0:25: I'm not feminist, not superficial, and not traditionalist. 1:00: This purity testing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 02:10 PM
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For the record, my position is the third, with some elements of the second.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 11:06 AM
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I am happy for them to contribute to the discussion, as long as they do not try to control it. Though I must admit, I am being pretty generous in extending that courtesy to them when they do not extend the same courtesy to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 11:02 AM
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I presume the mods have some powers to check such things? I wouldn't know how, to be honest. I'm well aware that the PMC likely has a lot of sockpuppets, but they probably have some real members too. There's no way of telling which are which.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 11:02 AM
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I am happy for them to contribute to the discussion, as long as they do not try to control it. Though I must admit, I am being pretty generous in extending that courtesy to them when they do not extend the same courtesy to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 11:00 AM
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Oh, and a meta point: I apologize if I'm mistaking you for someone else, but if you're the same person who has previously made a habit of deleting their posts, please do not do that again. When one side of a discussion keeps getting deleted, that discussion becomes a waste of everyone's time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 10:46 AM
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As always when the topic of Islam and Islamic cultures is brought up, I have to start with a disclaimer that I am not an expert on those cultures. I know how much feminists misrepresent secular societies, which makes me also skeptical of some of the claims they make about religious societies, but I'm not sure which parts are true and which parts are propaganda. I do not know whether Manji is telling the truth when she claims Muslim men can enforce a lot of things on their wives, because I've nev…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 10:39 AM
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Should anyone be barred from immigrating or from receiving a citizenship based on their opinions? No. And that is consistent with what I've said previously.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 09:22 AM
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our decade seems a better than most others I could choose to live in, and it's important to keep that in mind. In many ways I agree, but it's more that I fear we're at the peak of human civilization and it's all about to fall apart, for any of a dozen different reasons.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/20 07:35 AM
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I find it very stressful being called right-wing, because most of my beliefs and leanings are pretty far to the left. But because I disagree in this one area which is among the most dogmatically enforced, I'm at risk of being considered far-right! It's very strange and I don't know how to respond to it. In a way, my response has been to create this subreddit!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 06:02 PM
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I've always imagined American leftists being extremely left, you know? Not moderately, but extremely. I think you may be confusing dogmatism for extremism. The American political spectrum is noticeably more right-wing than in other countries, due to most Americans having an (in my opinion irrational) extreme fear of anything socialist. For comparison, most countries have things like minimum wages and government healthcare and consider them pretty unremarkable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 05:43 PM
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Maybe I'm biased because I'm more on the far-left, but I see plenty of those same purity-test tactics coming from the establishment Democrats who are anti-Bernie.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 05:25 PM
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Yes, that's what I like to think too! I know not many people see it that way though - with respect to the existing political tribes it effectively means holding some left-critical positions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 05:22 PM
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I actually don't think the problem is extremism per se. Plenty of my political positions would be considered extreme. The problem is not that people hold extreme positions but that they punish others for disagreeing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 05:21 PM
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About Danish politics, have leftists really adopted a lot of anti-immigration politics? Weird. I don't think I've seen that in any other country. The Australian Labor Party is anti-refugee, though they like to frame it as being about preventing refugees being exploited by people smugglers. However, that's the position of the politicians rather than the vocal left-wing activists. Much like in the US, the Democratic Party supports putting refugees in camps, but left-wing activists oppose that. The…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 05:17 PM
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This is one of many topics on which I’ve been meaning to write something for a while but haven’t got around to, so I may have to get back to you on this point. But I think the biggest thing is, don't portray male characters as less moral than female characters. I often notice fiction portraying female characters as moral authorities who hold the male characters accountable to moral standards, to an extent that doesn't happen in reverse. This was one of the big reasons why Jodie Whittaker's versi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 03:46 PM
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Most homophobic policies are and were targeted against gay men much more than lesbians. This is true of historical laws against homosexual acts as well as those who still have such laws today - up to and including the death penalty.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 09:05 AM
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And just because they're not trying to fuck them doesn't make them evil or bad. And vice versa! Wanting to fuck a woman doesn't make a man evil or bad. I much more often see men being portrayed as evil for being sexually interested rather than being sexually uninterested - indeed I'm surprised to hear you say the latter.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 07:27 AM
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Somehow I only just noticed this thread. I think u/is_done was sighing at Steven Pinker's optimism and faith in the current economic system, and to be honest I agree. I am feeling pretty pessimistic about the 2020s.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 07:04 AM
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Yeah, I don't agree with the second quote.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 02:13 PM
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Thanks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 01:06 PM
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The Fraud of Feminism (1913), Earnest Belfort Bax. Yes, that's listed in the list of resources in our sidebar. There's also another interesting socialist book from around the same time, Woman as Sex Vendor, which argues among other things that women are never as down-and-out as men because they can always fall back on the option of selling sex. Basically in the late 1800s early 1900s US socialists were split between feminist and antifeminist groups Do you have any more information on this? It wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 08:08 AM
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not to mention throwing our trans brothers and sisters under the bus. Fuck that. Yep, absolutely.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 08:00 AM
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Who made that observation? TERFs or non-TERF feminists? Anyway, I've observed myself that more men than women are atheists and more women than men are religious. This leads me to question whether religions are truly androcentric. I see a lot of similarities between religion and feminism, from the thought-policing and virtue-signalling to the policing of sexual desires and behaviour. And although traditional religions may appear to police women's sexuality more, there are plausible gynocentric mo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 07:12 AM
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I literally just said LWMA allows a lot of infighting.
/r/MensRights10/01/20 07:04 AM
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Julie Bindel is a disgusting misandrist, and it says a lot that she is given a newspaper platform which would never be given to an equivalent misogynist (if there even is anyone who advocates putting women in concentration camps). That said, I don't think anyone should be deported from a country based on their opinion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 06:50 AM
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Good point! I notice mainstream feminists tend to only criticize TERFs for their transphobia, and ignore their underlying misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 06:49 AM
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I lean socialist myself, but that Morning Star article is a move in the opposite direction of where the left should be going. TERFs are more feminist and more misandrist than other feminists. And to prove it, here's a quote from the full Morning Star article: While I was waiting in the hallway for council interview results to be announced, a male candidate who has a penchant for posting “men’s rights” and “trans rights” stuff on social media, stood there telling me all about how he disapproves o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 06:33 AM
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I think that's the default position of a lot of people on this sub. I'm not sure exactly what my position is on affirmative action. I kind of begrudgingly accept that it has some reason to exist, but I don't much like it and I suspect it might be one of the reasons I'm unemployed. With regard to gender specifically, I'm far from convinced that employers have a universal bias against women. The studies of unconscious bias against women tend to focus on particular fields such as STEM - and even th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 06:13 AM
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I was trying to summarize a lot of complex ideas into a short paragraph, so it's inevitable that some nuance was lost. Also, I used the word "supposed" to indicate that the left-wing tribe does not always act consistently with its principles.
/r/MensRights10/01/20 04:11 AM
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I'm not endorsing the existing left's attitude to men and boys. That's why I've started something new.
/r/MensRights10/01/20 03:49 AM
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Yes, I think MensLib is basically organized psychological abuse of men, disguised as helping men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/20 02:30 PM
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Please don't tell other users to leave.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/20 02:26 PM
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Well, I know I'm a man who doesn't want a protector role. I would say that most of the issues that men face rather than being a result of forcing men into a protector role, are a matter of the opposite: stretching a man out on the rack for having had the gall to allow themselves to be in a protector role. That's true to an extent, but many issues are pretty much inherent to the protector role because that role is inherently dangerous. It's inherently connected to male disposability and the life …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/20 02:18 PM
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Oh, well I don't anyone should be blamed for anything because of an accident of birth that they had no control over.
/r/MensRights09/01/20 01:49 PM
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We're definitely against blaming everything on males.
/r/MensRights09/01/20 01:37 PM
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There was recently an interesting debate here about "egalitarianism", and I admit it's not quite as settled as what the Mission Statement says. I was really looking for a single word to sum up left-wing values, which are more comprehensively listed in a section of the Mission Statement. Anyway the basic contradiction between traditionalism and men's issues, is that traditionalism coerces individuals into restrictive roles based on their gender, putting men into a protector-provider role which is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/20 10:46 AM
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I certainly don't think the legitimacy of a person's opinion is determined by their demographic identity.
/r/MensRights09/01/20 10:22 AM
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Hmm, I see what you're saying. I might have to think more about how best to word the Mission Statement. Though I just remembered another reason why I said that. There are definitely types of social disadvantage that feminists tend to give no consideration - autism for example. So I think there are ways in which feminism could, theoretically, get less harmful if it became more intersectional.
/r/MensRights09/01/20 10:09 AM
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You should see the amount of infighting at LWMA if you think it's a small tent.
/r/MensRights09/01/20 09:57 AM
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I'm fine with gender-neutrality and trans people. Activism, depending on exactly what you mean by it, is tricky to get off the ground, and I am not necessarily good at the social and organizational skills required to do it.
/r/MensRights09/01/20 09:43 AM
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True! I did put "privileged" in scare quotes. That said, I do think there is more truth to the "privilege" model with regard to the other "intersectional axes" than there is with regard to males. And I'm wary of the "anti-SJW" coalition which, though it seemed reasonable in its early days, appears to have ended up contributing to actual neo-fascist recruitment. So I think the focus should be on criticizing misandry rather than criticizing intersectionality.
/r/MensRights09/01/20 07:22 AM
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You may have a point there!
/r/MensRights09/01/20 07:19 AM
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I agree (except I don't think the left is antisemitic, but that's another issue which I'm not an expert on). Maybe that part of the Mission Statement is unclearly worded, but my point when I wrote that was similar to what you're saying: just because feminists are allied with various disadvantaged groups, doesn't mean MRAs should ally with "privileged" groups. EDIT: Oh and I just remembered, there are definitely types of social disadvantage that feminists tend to give no consideration - autism fo…
/r/MensRights09/01/20 06:43 AM
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I agree. Gender relations seem to be a big part of what causes wars, and certainly a big part of the narratives used to justify them. I suspect we're going to hear the same arguments about Iran as about Afghanistan and Iraq. You can see it in this WW1 poster too. And you can see it in ancient texts/mythology. In Genesis 34, Israel starts a war over the maybe rape, maybe consensual interracial sex of a single woman. Likewise, the Trojan War was supposedly started over the maybe abduction, maybe c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/20 06:21 AM
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What do you mean?
/r/MensRights09/01/20 05:54 AM
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"In the bigger picture, I see her as the bigger threat, because instead of ostracizing or trying to stop her or arguing against her, the people in power treat her as a thought leader." I agree! We're in agreement on this point. However, I think male advocates should distance ourselves from Eltahawy and Cantwell - either way, it will be men who end up getting killed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/20 05:15 AM
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I support the right for people to live as whatever gender they choose, and that is also the position in the Mission Statement. I'm not an expert on trans issues; I'm agnostic on whether or not transness is biologically "real" (though at the very least, the people born with ambiguous genitalia are real). But I also don't think it matters. If someone wants to live as a different gender, it's not causing any harm, other than "discomfort" among some prejudiced individuals who see them as sexual pred…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 12:54 PM
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Yeah, it's hard to say why some things get deleted and some don't. Now that I'm on the moderating side of things here and have been criticized from all sides, I have realized it's difficult if not impossible to moderate consistently. There's a lot of content to go through and nobody can be online all the time, different members of a moderating team may have different visions, and some things just slip through the cracks. There is a tension between wanting to promote discussion, and wanting to st…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 10:35 AM
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Hi, I'm the creator of this subreddit as you may or may not know. I forgot to reply earlier, but I completely agree with you! I'm also an autistic man and am not impressed with either side of the political spectrum.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 10:28 AM
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All very reasonable comments! I'm often accused of strawmanning feminism when I say feminism demonizes male sexual desire... but here's proof of the MensLib mods deleting comments merely for criticizing the demonization of sexual thoughts that occur entirely in men's heads. Not that I'm surprised. I've had comments deleted there for criticizing the methodology of feminist studies, arguing that teaching men not to rape won't change anything, pointing out how feminist terminology is anti-male, and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 10:16 AM
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I totally empathize with your frustration at trying to deal with the menslib mods. can we say whether or not it’s healthy to actively think about someone in a sexual light when they’ve clearly expressed a lack of interest, even if those thoughts aren’t ever directly expressed? That's thoughtcrime. And they wonder why feminism gets called authoritarian... I'm often accused of strawmanning feminism when I say feminism demonizing male sexual desire... but here's proof of the MensLib mods deleting c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 09:59 AM
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On one hand, not all of the criticism of MRAs is unfounded. I've recently criticized Honey Badger Radio for their flirtations with traditionalism, which does have the inconsistencies being claimed by menslib. Personally I don't really use the label "MRA" anymore, to distinguish myself from the more right-wing MRAs. But on the other hand, menslib claims all MRAs are right-wing - and when you try to correct their demonizing generalizations about MRAs, they delete your comments. It's becoming a sel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 07:46 AM
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My comparison was about the nature of the arguments made by Cantwell and Eltahawy, not the amount of political power possessed by either. I do agree with you about the problem of growing tribalism, and yes it's difficult not to be pessimistic about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 07:31 AM
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You're welcome!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 06:33 AM
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The problem is that these things are much easier said than done - particularly if you're autistic like I am. It is a difficult to be the opposite of who I naturally am. Responding quickly can be very difficult. Even setting aside anxiety about how others might react if I say the wrong thing, a lot of casual conversation focuses on topics which I don't know much about and/or am bored by, so often I just don't have much to say. In many social gatherings, I can't even hear people speak over the lou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/19 10:10 AM
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I wish I knew the answers, but I don't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/19 09:28 AM
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I pretty much agree with all that. Feminists browbeat us into following all their rules, and then turn around and browbeat us for following their rules too well. It's one of the things that makes it very difficult for me to see feminism as a well-intentioned movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/19 09:11 AM
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I do understand the attraction to radicalism. I'm also someone who tends to question whatever I'm told and has flirted with a number of radical and unpopular ideologies over the years. And I do agree that ideas should be listened to and addressed or countered, rather than dismissed with demonization. In practice, dismissal is always going to happen sometimes because nobody has the time to debate every idea that comes along. But I agree that the mainstream left and center tend to demonize their c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/19 08:49 AM
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The date is easy to find. It was after the New Zealand mosque shootings: https://www.newsweek.com/social-media-site-gab-bans-crying-nazi-killing-leftists-1367679 I know Cantwell claims he was being "hypothetical", but that's the same argument made by Mona Eltahawy when she "imagines" killing men. In both cases, the "hypothetical" is very likely something the speaker genuinely wishes to happen. Sure, there are some leftists out there who think rioting is a good way to bring about social change. I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/19 07:27 AM
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This reminds me of a feminist film on Netflix called I Am Not An Easy Man, where a man wakes up as a woman and learns the supposed error of his anti-feminist views. I've been meaning to write a critical review of it for a while.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/19 06:46 AM
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Great video! It's true that second-wave feminists were opposed to the draft, but that's actually what's so damning. The most radical feminists were a split away from the anti-war left of the time. These women had started out protesting against the war alongside the men. So they must have known how dishonest they were being when they turned around and wrote stuff like the Redstockings Manifesto, claiming women were the most oppressed class.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/19 06:10 AM
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I was a bit apprehensive seeing this posted here, but Cathy Young's analysis strikes me as more reasonable than typical criticism of the trans movement. Young makes some good points about how the trans movement is creating a political climate of cancel culture, virtue-signalling, and denial that there is any biological component to sex differences. I somewhat agree with these objections, though when some people harp on them as if it's the biggest political issue of our time, I suspect they're ju…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/19 05:53 AM
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Though your post was reported as a personal attack on a user, I am leaving it up because the point you're making is really more about ideas than personality. Also because u/girlwriteswhat is a much more prominent, influential, and public figure than anyone else here, so it is reasonable to allow criticism of how she uses that influence. I share your concern about how the MRM has become so right-wing and tends to cozy up to fascists, neither of which is in men's best interests. This is one of the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/19 03:01 PM
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Firstly, u/girlwriteswhat has clarified in one of her comments here that she is not left-wing, so her views should not be taken as representative of Left Wing Male Advocates. That said, I very much share your concern about how right-wing MRAs cosy up to far-right and fascist types. Though it sounds like it was Cantwell who reached out to Straughan requesting to be interviewed, it's undeniably part of a broader pattern of friendly interviews with far-rightists. I recently wrote a long post analyz…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/19 02:20 PM
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They didn't endorse Derrick exactly, but they weren't very critical of him when they interviewed him. I recently wrote about it here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/19 11:25 AM
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u/ElfmanLV and u/banmale, I think you are talking past each other. You're both agreeing the male breadwinner role is harming men, but you each seem to be under the impression that the other is more feminist. I think the only point you actually disagree on, is that u/banmale thinks keeping men in a breadwinner role is 100% beneficial to women, while u/ElfmanLV thinks it has some negative side-effects for women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/19 01:32 PM
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Great post about the rape statistics. Though I must confess I'm a bit conflicted on the indecent exposure part. It's obviously one of the many areas where there's an anti-male double standard (in non-Muslim societies), but it's not so clear to me which side of the double standard is the fair standard that should be extended to everyone. There is a part of me which questions whether we even need indecent exposure laws at all. I struggle to comprehend how merely existing naked in front of someone …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/19 08:57 AM
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I love Peep Show... the most depressing comedy ever made.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/19 07:11 AM
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You're quite correct about the Mission Statement. I agree with your positions on capitalism and circumcision. However, what you posted potentially contravenes Reddit's rule against screenshots that don't edit out the personal information of a non-public figure: https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/posting-someones-private-or-personal I guess you only showed the person's username rather than an actual name, which is probably okay but could be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/19 01:58 PM
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It strikes me that the counterarguments you're hearing are based in a general right-wing bias rather than anything specifically to do with men's issues. So some of you may know that recently Yang was caught pandering to women, he made an off-hand remark in one of his speeches along the lines of "if you leave men alone for too long, we become morons." I do think it's disappointing to see that bit of anti-male rhetoric from Yang, who had previously seemed more male-friendly than other candidates. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/19 06:08 AM
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Hi, I'm the creator of this subreddit who wrote "egalitarian" into the Mission Statement. To be honest, I was kind of looking for a word to sum up everything that the left wing believes in which distinguishes it from the right wing, because I wanted this subreddit to attract left-wingers and repel right-wingers. The full Mission Statement expands on my meaning with this list of left-wing positions. Those are basically the positions I was trying to find a word to sum up, and the word I chose was …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/19 03:47 AM
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I'm removing this because it's unrelated to male issues and I can see you're spamming every subreddit with it. Also, there's a left-wing argument against impeaching Trump.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 09:42 AM
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Great post!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/19 04:53 AM
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Yes, one reason why I created this subreddit is to distinguish my positions from that streak. But another reason is that I don't think male advocacy positions are inherently "fascist". In fact they contradict fascism when you look at it logically: fascists advocate restrictive traditional gender roles for men as well as women. So I think it's only through historical accident that men's issues are becoming associated with the far right. The "manosphere facilitating radicalization towards the alt-…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 11:23 AM
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He saw that comments which link studies debunking anti-male concepts like Alpha and Beta male disappear with no explanation Do you have a specific example of this? It's possible the comments were deleted because of something else they said.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/19 10:27 AM
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I'm not sure why this was removed, so I'm reapproving it for now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 02:23 AM
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I've reapproved this comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 02:21 AM
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What would you name as "white interests" that need to be advocated for? In case you're not aware, the reason why people are suspicious of you is because your talking point is often used by people who advocate deportation or worse for non-whites.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 02:20 AM
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Yeah, he seems to have deleted everything. It's very frustrating because it's at least the second account which he's deleted, he posted valuable information, and he greatly overestimates the differences between himself and myself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 01:22 AM
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Wow, that thread is infuriatingly dishonest. It never fails to astonish me how people can get away with the most outrageous false generalizations and outright lies about MRAs. This is why this subreddit is needed. I mean, I know people like in the cartoon do exist - I argued against one of them yesterday. But they're claiming everyone who cares about men's issues is like that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/19 01:03 AM
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Hi, u/Thin-Ant and u/mtcapri. I've written out some of my own thoughts on this topic in a comment here and in another thread. Generally I'd say women's issues are worse in traditionalist cultures, while men's issues vary in whether they are worse in traditionalist or feminist cultures. So in this limited sense it might be true to say Western cultures are more gender-egalitarian, albeit in a very one-sided way that is full of unexamined hypocrisies, contradictions, and backward steps. But critics…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 10:34 AM
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Hi, u/Thin-Ant and u/mewacketergi. Maybe you're talking past each other to some extent. As I've just said in another thread, I think we need some terminology to distinguish between the nuances and complexities of the real-world traditional so-called "patriarchy", and the more brutal misogynistic patriarchy often imagined or implied in rhetoric about other times and places. I'm not sure what would be the best term to describe that, but for the moment I suggest the phrase "brutal patriarchy".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 10:26 AM
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What's ironic is that in such a world, a guy like Derrick would be judged, ridiculed, shamed, ostracized etc. far more harshly even than in our world because of his deviancy from the masculine ideal. I know! He's a turkey advocating for Christmas.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 10:12 AM
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I agree with your overall point. You're perhaps constructing a bit of a strawman - I don't think anyone here is saying Western countries are gender-equal - but I get what you mean. Westerners do have a biased perception of non-Western cultures that can be difficult even for anti-feminists to overcome. Many of us here have limited to no experience of more traditionalist and/or non-Western cultures, due to where we live. We hear a lot of feminist propaganda about some such countries, which is very…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 09:41 AM
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I'm busy with non-online stuff right now. I'll look at it when I have time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 05:22 AM
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I think I'm opposed to these classes, or at least the way in which they're being done. As an atheist and non-traditionalist, I do think Islam (or at least variants thereof) can promote some very problematic attitudes - including murderous attitudes towards ex-Muslims, gay men, and adulterers of both sexes; in extreme cases terrorism against the entire non-Muslim world; and traditional gender roles for both women and men. But judging from the media reports, these classes focus on men's attitudes …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 02:44 AM
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I'm not sure exactly. He does seem willing to debate random people who message him while streaming (unless he's specifically selecting people he thinks will make fools of themselves). He also has a Twitter so that could be another way to contact him: https://twitter.com/vaushv
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 12:25 AM
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No idea. It had more time to accumulate members though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/19 12:12 AM
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Oh, okay!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/19 02:09 AM
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Uh... how does that add up? How can women be 40% of the perpetrators but only 20% of male victims be victimized by women? The latter part of that statistic can't be right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/19 01:03 PM
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And continuing to grow, from the sound of it. They also link to a long list of recommended relationship advice books for women. So this advice is not new, it's just now being gathered together in one place. The whole place is extremely misandrist, at least as bad as the male redpill/blackpill subreddits which have been banned or quarantined for misogyny (though the language is a bit more cultured). These women openly think and do the things that the manosphere has long accused women of. I don't …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/19 08:51 AM
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I just checked out femaledatingstrategy - now there's an internet rabbit hole I haven't been down before! - and it's gained 40,000 members in less than a year, which I consider pretty significant. Plus, it's part of a network of misandrist subreddits, some of which look much worse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/19 06:13 AM
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It stands to reason that in more violent cultures, everyone would be more violent. I think the OP, u/Thin-Ant, recently posted some stats on female violence in eastern Europe, but I can't find it now. EDIT: Here, it's on other subreddits: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBalkans/comments/eaujet/do_you_believe_that_women_in_the_balkans_commit https://www.reddit.com/r/russia/comments/e8jagb/domestic_violence_research_from_russia_shows_men/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/19 03:48 AM
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Because of the index's problems it's hard to tell exactly what these numbers are measuring without digging into the details, and I'm not sure where you're getting the 1970s numbers from if the index began in 2006. But the comparisons you're making are interesting, and certainly add weight to your argument that the differences between countries aren't as big as people think. The question of whether women (or men) are "oppressed" in particular times and places depends a lot on the semantics of how…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/19 03:26 AM
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I'm not sure now, but possibly u/Blobbartus.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/19 02:44 AM
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The bolded part would strengthen my argument but is not necessary for my argument to work. I think the dynamic I'm describing does more to explain the low-level unwanted sexual attention and sexual harassment, maybe not so much rape which seems to be more rare and pathological. One thing I didn't mention above: some studies suggest there may be nearly as many female-on-male sexual assaults as vice versa (for example this study found that at age 18-19 men and women are about equally likely to per…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/19 02:41 AM
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You probably won't get this reply, but I'm disappointed to see you deleted your account. I was quite enjoying your posts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/19 11:07 AM
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You probably won't get this reply, but I'm disappointed to see you deleted your account. I was quite enjoying your posts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/19 11:00 AM
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My personal viewpoint is that there is a difference between the sexes, but it is greatly exaggerated by adults so the relatively small biological difference is totally swamped by cultural differences. All my kids can be knights or princesses or ninjas or dinosaurs or fairies. None of that is gendered play in our houosehold. Funnily enough, when I was a boy I had a preference for playing female characters - make of that what you will. But you're forgetting puberty involves a second flood of sex h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/19 09:38 AM
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Could you be more specific about which posts you're referring to? (We can discuss this further through modmail.)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/19 05:39 AM
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Good point!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/19 01:19 AM
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I'm on my phone right now so I can't post a perfect response, but here are some points. Yes, it's about the traditional male role - and also about traditional negative stereotypes of males. Feminism constantly reinforces the latter and sometimes reinforces the former, so feminism is not the solution. My detailed objections to feminist takes on specific male issues vary depending on the issue and the feminist. But overall there is a bias toward portraying men as oppressors, women as oppressed, an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/19 12:42 AM
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It's actually worse than that. When feminists do promote a "positive" masculinity, they often bring up things like chivalry and protectiveness - which benefit women but can harm men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 11:38 AM
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And what did you think of the points I made in response to Vaush?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 11:30 AM
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From what I can gather from Wikipedia, it sounds like Giovanni Gentile advocated for some kind of totalitarian state in which there is no individuality? I really fail to see how that is any way positive or in line with the mission of this subreddit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 07:40 AM
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Shudder... The idea that we should just alter the brains of individuals who don't fit in sounds very totalitarian to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 07:19 AM
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Your Dexter example is a bad analogy, because no harm is caused by someone identifying as a different gender. As I said, I'm not an expert on trans issues. I don't know whether or not transness is biologically "real" (though at the very least, the people born with ambiguous genitalia are real). But I don't think it matters. If someone wants to live as a different gender, it's not causing any harm, other than "discomfort" among some women. So I think we should live and let live. In any case, none…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 07:08 AM
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It's not the subreddit pushing it, it's one person. I support the right for people to live as whatever gender they choose, and that is also the position in the Mission Statement. I hope you won't give up on this subreddit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 06:36 AM
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This just sounds like the media demonizing anyone to the left of the Democrats.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 05:58 AM
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See my stickied comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 05:48 AM
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I think I have to agree with u/SirSourPuss on this point. Yes, I'm sure mental health is a factor in who ends up being homeless, but it's also no doubt caused by homelessness. There are also many factors that could cause both homelessness and mental health issues - eg. we know male victims of domestic violence often have nowhere to go. Furthermore, we live in a society that has empty houses, and there were even empty houses bulldozed during the financial crisis - which, by the way, is one of man…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 05:36 AM
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Humans in general have a bias toward worrying about people directly attacking them, rather than the underlying deeper systemic issues. Explicit demonization of men by feminists is an example of the former, so it inspires a more immediate visceral reaction that we see in the posts here, and yes I admit my own choice of post topics is influenced by emotion. You've written a pretty good list of very important topics that need to be discussed. And you know what, maybe you're right, maybe we could be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 05:25 AM
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Feminists may have only codified some of the attitudes toward men, but by codifying them they are reinforcing them. That reinforcement has undoubtedly made some things worse, which is a problem that needs to be talked about. Both traditionalist and feminist contributions to male issues need to be talked about - they are not mutually exclusive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 05:24 AM
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That's more or less what it means. See my stickied comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 04:51 AM
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Yeah, I certainly don't mean to exclude staunch leftists. See my stickied comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 04:51 AM
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I'm not sure what the definition of "alt-left" is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 04:50 AM
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See my stickied comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 04:49 AM
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I'm the original creator of the subreddit. There was a period where I had to step back a bit from moderating, so there may be things I've missed, but I don't think the place has been taken over by feminist menslibbers. I would say there are a number of ideological tendencies here and tensions between them. Some worry the place is dominated by feminists/menslibbers, some worry it's dominated by economic liberals/capitalists, some worry it's dominated by incels, etc etc. As far as I can tell, most…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 04:45 AM
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BUT, they have ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS blamed this on THE PATRIARCHY, just like Vaush does. I agree, and I've been very critical of Vaush on this point. And yes, he can be nastier in tone. It's very difficult for male advocates to find any allies on the left, and Vaush comes closer than most by being unusually inclined to acknowledge male issues, so that is probably why people here are interested in his content. But I am not certainly not holding him up as anywhere near perfect. And I've soured fur…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/19 04:12 AM
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I've previously posted in detail about the original video (see Part 1, Part 2, Part 3), so I won't reiterate every point here. Overall, Derrick is extremely misguided and unrepresentative of most MRAs, Zach seems like he's uncritically bought into the status quo, and the much more reasonable Kursat barely gets to speak. The video is apparently edited to make MRAs look bad. (Personally, these days I don't really use the MRA label anymore since I don't want to be associated with traditionalists. B…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/19 05:57 PM
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She's not an anti-feminist like I am, but she doesn't like it either. She has to work with a transgender woman who everyday likes to proclaim some SJW bullshit daily. It makes her uncomfortable when this dude goes into the women's restroom, or comes up to everyone to declare he's having his period, or that his boobs are hurting, or asking for Midol. I'm no expert on transgender issues, but I'd be wary of your wife's line of reasoning on this. The one point where she's chosen to object to mainstr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/19 03:43 AM
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If you think the US is a completely equal system, I'm not sure where to start convincing you that it is extremely unequal. Probably the best place to start is with economic inequality. Check out the work of Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett on the effects on inequality. Here are two brief talks summarizing their books: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ7LzE3u7Bw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJelcdQxEBA I'd also point out that if you dislike your mother's liberal views, it is possible to go f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/19 09:19 AM
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I have certainly had these thoughts run through my head as well. This is undoubtedly one of the major reasons why young men are flocking to the far right. Fortunately, I think there is a problem with the anti-egalitarian analysis. They claim the rise in incels is being caused by too much egalitarianism and democracy, but upon a closer look the reverse might be true. The supposed equality of our time is pretty illusory considering wealth inequality has been rising for decades, due to our increasi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/19 04:11 PM
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If this is true, this gives us reasons to believe that economic equality reduces hypergamy. I think the two have got to be connected. Living in a society with high wealth inequality is known to exacerbate various social and psychological problems. It stands to reason that women's preference for high-status men would be one of the exacerbated issues when status differentials are larger.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/19 01:11 PM
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I hope you're not suggesting sexual "value" (ie. attractiveness) gives someone the right to "command" less attractive people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/19 12:17 PM
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I first started learning about men's issues (at first, female-on-male domestic violence) around 2014, and tried talking about them to people around me, like my family members and occasionally in my politics classes at university. My social circle tends to be left-leaning. I quickly realized I was receiving a level of hostile opposition that I'd never received on any other issue. My mother interpreted some hyperbolic rhetoric of mine as a belief that all women are evil, my (right-leaning) father …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/19 01:55 PM
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I created this subreddit, so my reasons why I think it is needed are basically listed in the Mission Statement: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/wiki/missionstatement Particularly this section: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/wiki/missionstatement#wiki_why_is_a_specifically_left-wing_male_issues_subreddit_needed.3F I also agree with much of what others in this thread are saying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/19 01:20 PM
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I pretty much agree with your description of the three men. Derrick and Zack were painful to listen to and their views don't represent mine. Zach's position comes across as standard conservatism and wouldn't actually do much to benefit men, so maybe that's why the feminists didn't mind it much.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/19 02:51 AM
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I strongly agree with you. This is one of the things that most disturbs me about feminist ideology. All the spin is basically a campaign of demonization targeted at men, and makes it difficult for me to give the benefit of the doubt that feminism is a well-intentioned movement. And if you challenge this kind of thing, you get kicked out (I've tried it at places like r/MensLib). people are often more preoccupied with placing blame than they are with finding solutions I admit I can be guilty of th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/19 08:33 AM
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I'm sorry if I came off as flippant in my responses. This is a question on which I am conflicted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/19 05:28 AM
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It's hard to boil down to just three, and of course I should say not all feminists, but here goes: Feminism is an ideology that demonizes men by exaggerating female disadvantages, male aggression, and male power; while downplaying male disadvantages, female aggression, and female power. Despite claiming to be a movement for gender equality, in practice feminism is a movement to increase the power of women in every circumstance and take the woman's side in any heterosexual relationship dispute. T…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/19 01:53 PM
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Yes, I founded this subreddit - and wrote the Mission Statement, so I'm glad to hear it's among the best MRA-adjacent arguments you've read! I tend to communicate better in writing than verbally, and to be honest I'd be reluctant to put my face to my ideas. So I'm probably unlikely to start a Youtube channel, much as I would like to see my views better represented on Youtube. I suppose I could look into that robotic voice thing some people use, though I'm not very tech-savvy. I've also considere…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/19 01:09 PM
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There are a bunch of these male privilege lists that go around. Often most of the items are not very impressive, or they have a corresponding male disadvantage. Anyway, let's take a look at this list. We constantly hear about "angry white men", "whiny manbabies", "fragile male egos", "male entitlement", "men repressing their emotions", and so on. Men's bad moods are constantly blamed on gender. It's generally acknowledged that women spend more money than men, so I'm not sure what this is referri…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/19 11:27 AM
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Yeah, I know all that. I'm not arguing against your position. I'm just treading carefully because I don't necessarily have all the facts at my fingertips to prove such a controversial statement as "women weren't badly oppressed historically". I've been researching historical gender roles for a while, and I've found it is very complex and difficult to make sense of. It is very difficult to find unbiased information, as most of the research on historical gender roles has been done by feminists who…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/19 07:46 AM
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Hi, I'm the creator of this subreddit. I live in an English-speaking liberal democracy, so I don't have direct experience of any society outside of that, which makes it difficult to know exactly what to believe about other times and places. Partly it depends on what you mean by "oppressed". If you're just saying there are/were some amount of injustices against women, then that's hard to deny. If you're talking about a model in which men are an oppressor class holding all the power and using it f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/19 04:57 AM
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I doubt anyone here is saying there's something wrong with anyone having a vote.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/19 04:49 AM
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Continued from Part 2. Bea: Men, unfortunately, many of them, don't want to have this open dialogue that we're sharing right now. What a ridiculous statement that is. It is feminists who try to silence male advocates at every turn. Most feminists don't want a dialogue, they want a monologue. Bea: We need men to help be allies, to help speak to other men. Kursat: It strikes me that the way that you phrased this, you almost want men to say certain things that you want them to say, as opposed to ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 06:11 PM
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Continued from Part 1. Bea: The suppression of feeling, for a lot of men... Repression, then, is usually channeled into anger for some people, because they don't know how to express, because they're told not to express. Again, there is some truth in this. But the funny thing is, I never much experienced this until I tried expressing negative feelings about feminism. That's the big thing I've definitely been repressing for years, because our feminist society doesn't allow me to express it! And th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 05:58 PM
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Firstly, it's possible this video is manipulatively edited to make the anti-feminists look bad, something the media often does. Notice the quick cuts between questions and answers, statements and rebuttals. Kursat, who strikes me as most reasonable of the MRAs, barely gets to speak. Also the selection of debaters may be biased. Or it may be that only the most controversial male advocates are willing to identify as such, while it's easy to find moderate feminists (and the more extreme feminists a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 05:34 PM
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I think Vaush is one of the more reasonable feminist commentators out there. He's capable of agreeing with ideas from outside his political tribe. The video is mostly a pretty good list of negative traits that can be associated with femininity: Expectations of performative romance from men The passive feminine dating role Passive aggressive approach to conflict The belief that women can’t harm men Exclusion of male victims from feminist victim advocacy Men not being allowed to defend themselves …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 08:33 AM
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I don't know, I'm still figuring things out. I do have a therapist these days.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/19 02:49 PM
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Entitlement is when you stop being conscious and present with what it is (which in this case is the pain because of unfulfilled needs), and start living in the unreal world of what oughts to be. Maybe you have a point - but couldn't the same criticism be made of the entirety of left-wing political thought? I mean, once upon a time, buildings weren't filled with ramps and elevators, and if you were unfit to climb the stairs, you just had to suck it up. Is there really no way that society could, a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/19 09:07 AM
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When I was in school I was also bullied by about half of my male classmates, so I know u/Melthengylf is telling the truth. I went through a similar process, rejecting masculinity, idealizing women, assuming feminists would be my allies, and not expressing my sexual desires. In hindsight, the bullying I experienced was likely due to my autism. Most childhood bullying tends to be same-sex, so boys target other boys and girls target other girls. This can cause bullied boys to grow up with a false b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/19 09:00 AM
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It also happens outside of music; on YouTube comment sections underneath stand up comedian Bill Burr's videos I see people blaming Bill's black "SJW" wife for making him less edgy / more of a "simp" than he used to be. I think the commenters are onto something. Burr's earlier comedy was often critical of women generally. Now instead these jokes are at the expense of specifically "white women". Based on this I correctly guessed that he now has a black female girlfriend/wife. I guessed that withou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/19 03:38 AM
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I think it's not true. The first part might be true, but the second part isn't. Usually whenever anything goes wrong a man is blamed. This can be seen in plea bargaining where it is usually the woman who gets a lighter sentence for committing a crime together with a man. Also I've seen a study (can't find it right now) which found that no matter whether a man or a woman initiates a divorce, the man is seen as being to blame.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/19 03:33 AM
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I tend to say "the traditional gender system". It's vague but at least it avoids building ideological assumptions into its name. If one is looking for a term that emphasizes male disadvantage rather than female disadvantage, common terms used in MRA circles include "gynocentrism" and "male disposability". Of course, just as "patriarchy" struggles to account for all male disadvantages past and present, "gynocentrism" struggles to account for all female disadvantages past and present. So it's uncl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/19 03:40 AM
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But just a straight up "because women are stupid" comment can be made on this sub and still upvoted and not moderated. This sounds like a comment I would have deleted if I had caught it. Unfortunately I haven't been able to spend as much time on here as I had hoped - sometimes I just need a break to "detox" my brain from the negativity of the gender debate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/19 10:10 AM
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I wouldn't normally have highlighted something this extreme, except that it was said in a very mainstream media outlet.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/19 01:44 PM
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Elsewhere in the interview she says "patriarchy" isn't men but institutions and includes many women who are anti-abortion. But of course that raises the question of how killing random men would do anything to defeat this "patriarchy".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/19 03:14 AM
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Do you have a link to that old NOW video?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/19 03:01 AM
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We're aware of the Pro-Male Collective, and I agree with what you say about their cultish tactics. For a while I tried to get along with them, but I'm excommunicated now. I've already banned several of their accounts from here - though there may be others still here that I'm unaware of. I can only treat each account based on its own actions. And yeah, I would also advise anyone against sharing personal info with them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/19 06:58 AM
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Maybe you're right. I may be unintentionally conflating what I've seen from MRAs and what I've seen from other anti-feminists. But to some extent I've seen some anti-trans talking points from MRAs. I suppose it's mainly more low-level mockery like constant rhetoric about how "SJWs believe there are 72 genders hahaha". Personally I don't have a strong opinion either way about whether non-binary or for that matter trans identities are "real". But I also think people who identify as trans are not h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/19 02:42 PM
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I think the username change is a good idea, considering your other account was pretty new. Though I hope you won't delete your old posts - I hate it when people do that because then whole threads disappear.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/19 01:08 PM
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Hi, I'm the creator of this subreddit and yes, trans women are welcome. (I'm a bit confused by your username though - I assume it is ironic because you seem to be more of a pro-trans non-feminist?) I've read the linked article before and suspect there must be more people out there who agree with it. I think trans people are natural allies of male advocates, due to having experienced both sides of the gender coin as well as the bigotry of radfems. You might have some valuable insights as someone …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/19 12:08 PM
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I admit Fiamengo's article is a bit hyperbolic in places, but it mostly accords with my own observations of feminism - "irrational passions, a rigid worldview that refuses other perspectives, the demonisation of non-believers" etc. The feminist demonization of other views is so widespread, it's one reason why I started this subreddit. But criticizing feminism doesn't mean that one wants feminism to totally disappear. Feminism is one of the world's most powerful ideologies; I don't think it's in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/19 05:11 PM
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It's one thing to say their lives might be better than yours, or better than equivalent men, or better at least in certain ways. But I think heaven is an exaggeration. Nobody lives in heaven. Just because their lives might look perfect from the outside, doesn't necessarily mean their lives actually are perfect. At the very least, they probably suffer from anxiety about the real possibility of losing their near-perfect life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/19 08:11 AM
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I think it is relevant to point out the guilt-tripping narratives directed at men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/19 08:07 AM
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I've heard of functionalism. It was mentioned in Crash Course Sociology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 12:24 PM
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You're missing the point. The point is not that he came across new evidence that contradicted his former conclusions (although his mention of Steven Pinker seems to hint at that). The point is that he came to realize that he never had good evidence to justify his conclusions. He basically just made empirical observations about male behaviours and then jumped to male-demonizing ideological conclusions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 12:21 PM
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I think u/mtcapri is quite right to say France is enabling paternity fraud. His article even has a quote from French family minister Nadine Morano explicitly saying that is the purpose of their policy: If all fathers start asking whether they’re really the fathers of their children, we enter into a society of doubt that imperils the family. (By the way, sorry I haven't been around much lately, I got busy then I got sick.)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/19 11:59 AM
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I'm afraid any questions that are too difficult are likely to be censored by the MensLib moderators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/19 05:58 AM
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Yeah, she doesn't sound like someone who has the best interests of men in mind.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/19 05:58 AM
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I meant that the total number of hours adds up to slightly less for mothers than fathers, if you believe the numbers in that graph
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/19 04:42 PM
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Looks like your post didn't get any attention over at r/AskReddit. That may be because they have such a high volume of posts that most questions get lost.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/19 08:42 AM
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Yes, I see what you mean. Also, someone in the other thread posted this graph showing housework isn't balancing out the gap either: https://i.redd.it/sflrv1ym4u2z.png
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/19 08:40 AM
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I know what you mean. When the entire world constantly tells us we're wrong, it's hard not to doubt ourselves. I'm never sure how much to believe of what feminists say - I'm sure some of it is accurate, but I know much of it is not. Are you referring to this Guardian article? https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/10/gender.uk?__twitter_impression=true As you say, it is a single case, and it resulted in changing the law to create the female-only defence of "preemptive self-defence", which ef…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/19 03:18 PM
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I confess I was wondering why you seemed to be repeating yourself a bit, but I think now I understand.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/19 12:32 PM
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I'm not really sure what you're asking. This is such a broad question that it's difficult to answer - a book could be written on it. Perhaps you're asking why we think feminist sources are biased against males? I already gave some examples of feminist bias in one of your previous threads: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/cyqega/what_do_you_think_of_this_blog_and_its_argument/eyw0s1n/ Also see the relevant section of the Mission Statement for some other general criticisms o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/19 10:18 AM
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Maybe you are onto something. It would explain why shy guys are so ignored.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/19 06:09 AM
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No. The motivation of violence is, I imagine, something very difficult for researchers to measure, even when the motivations are self-reported. It is a very shaky basis on which to base a theory that male violence is worse than female violence. The claim that female domestic violence is merely “violent resistance” and only male domestic violence is “intimate terrorism”, supposedly based in “patriarchy”, seems to originate from Michael Johnson. Absurdly, Johnson came up with the theory by surveyi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/19 02:33 PM
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Well that is yet another angle compared to all the others I have heard... Honestly I just don't know what to believe or who to trust on this topic. And I'll reiterate the point that it's not too difficult to find instances of women lusting after strangers: https://au.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top10-female-sex-fantasies_7.html
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/19 02:22 PM
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Most women need some connection for being turned on. How do you explain r/LadyBoners/ then?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/19 01:36 PM
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Oh, and I'm not sure I buy this idea that female sexuality is "receptive". That strikes me as a vague concept, an excuse for making men take all the risks of explicit initiation, and based in stereotypes of men having more agency than women. Anyone can experience being turned on by a stimulus, which I guess you would call "receptive". And anyone can experience longing to have sex with someone who has shown no interest in them, which I guess you would call "spontaneous". The real reason that wome…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/19 01:11 PM
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I'm not sure why you deleted your account, but I think your solutions are probably closer to the mark of what is needed. I hope people with your views are not being scared away from the subreddit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/19 12:11 PM
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We can become sexier men as a whole and get all of us more sex. How do you suggest doing this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/19 09:18 AM
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I have come across the sex-for-meat explanation before, and I find it a more convincing explanation for the origin of gender roles than the standard feminist explanation that it was all about men wanting to ensure paternity certainty. An ultimately matriarchal dynamic (and instincts) may underlie the apparent "patriarchy" of recorded human history. If true, this means that the niggling issues raised by male advocates are not mere side-effects of the "patriarchy", as feminists claim! The finding …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/19 09:17 AM
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I don't think anyone is claiming porn is the only factor that has reduced rape. Obviously, the feminist movement has brought about many changes in the law and society that have resulted in harsher punishment of alleged rapists, which is presumably acting as a deterrent. The finding that porn availability reduces sexual violence appears to be cross-cultural, so I think it is more than just a chance correlation. For example, in the Czech Republic after 1989, when the Soviet Union collapsed and por…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/19 09:01 AM
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Ok, I watched through the video. Firstly, I don't know how much to believe about their description of mainstream society in Kenya. If you interviewed the inhabitants of a women's shelter in a Western country you would get a similarly unflattering description. (Though the interviews with the traditional men back up much of it, I guess.) But whatever discrimination women receive in Kenya, they are fighting it with a similar discrimination. It's clear they chuck out the male children at a certain a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/19 05:04 AM
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What passage are you referring to?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/19 06:40 PM
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Ah, hate versus fear... sometimes I wonder if they are two words for the same thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/19 05:14 PM
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Obviously they involve misandry, that is the basis for them. Just as some sort of hatred toward other races is the basis for ethno-states. I suppose in theory it is possible for separatism to be non-hateful. Or one could argue that even if it is hateful, it's not so bad for haters to live apart from the people they hate. So I'm not necessarily 100% against the concept, but I don't like it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/19 04:56 PM
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I don't even have the wherewithal to watch through that right now. However I am generally suspicious of separatism as a rule.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/19 01:53 PM
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I know where the user is from. I'm presenting a counterargument for anyone listening as much as for them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/19 03:15 PM
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I'm bringing it up because it relates to the issue we discussed yesterday. I don't necessarily trust any particular politician either. In these tweets, the relevant policy change that Yang is arguing for is a universal basic income. It would be for everyone, but here Yang is talking about how it could benefit specifically the mostly male truck drivers who will soon lose their jobs to autonomous vehicles.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/19 03:47 AM
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Of course, even if the number of men with serious injuries is lower, the male victims who are seriously injured are still an issue. I think sexual violence is counted in some studies but not others.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/19 03:24 AM
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Yes, it seems men are a few percentage points more likely to support wars. But a few percentage points difference is not a basis to vote for a woman over a man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/19 03:10 AM
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Yes, it seems men are a few percentage points more likely to support wars. But a few percentage points difference is not a basis to vote for a woman over a man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/19 03:07 AM
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A very relevant field! What do you think of this recent comment I wrote about DV stats?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/19 01:51 AM
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Fair enough, just thought you might know.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 04:34 PM
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I've heard that claim before but I don't think I've ever seen a citation for it. Do you happen to have one?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 04:29 PM
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Thanks! It took most of my day to write, so I'm glad someone read it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 02:25 PM
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I'm curious, which male-dominated field do you work in?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 01:59 PM
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The evidence does not support the theory that "abusive coercive control" is committed only by males, and indeed one study suggests it is committed more by women. See my reply to the OP: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/cyqega/what_do_you_think_of_this_blog_and_its_argument/eyvzl0l/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 01:40 PM
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[Part 2 of 2] Feminist bias and censorship Though Elam arguably lost the moral high ground when he engaged in censorship himself, he’s not wrong that there is a much more vast and powerful phenomenon of feminist censorship targeting evidence of male victims. Futrelle makes a big deal out of Straus having said some positive things about feminism (and possibly identifying as a feminist). But surely more important is that Straus agrees with Elam’s position that feminist ideology has systemically su…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 01:37 PM
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[Part 1 of 2] I’ve just read through the whole debate on both blogs. I admit, it seems Elam made the pretty embarrassing error of misreading “report” as “overreport”, then ended the debate by censoring Futrelle’s response while posting aggressive rhetoric about how he’d won the debate. I can’t deny this was dishonest conduct on Elam’s part, but it concerned only one of many studies being debated and therefore does not invalidate the overall argument for gender symmetry in domestic violence. The …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 01:20 PM
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Firstly, oil drilling is an industry that should be phased out to stop destabilizing the global climate. Another complication is that, at least in the developed world, many dangerous jobs are increasingly automated so it's likely that soon nobody will be needed to do them. In one sense this will be an improvement; but the negative consequence within our current economic system will be to create a growing class of men who have fewer and fewer employment opportunities. There's probably a combinati…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 04:23 AM
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You said elsewhere in this thread that "race and gender have entirely different histories, contexts, and applications" (which I agree with, by the way). So how come it's okay to compare race and gender when it supports your worldview, but not when it doesn't support your worldview? I'll spell out the comparison again just in case it wasn't clear. Black/poor people experience more violence. This is dismissed with the argument "That's because black/poor people are more violent and put themselves i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 03:46 AM
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these things are different because the violence "against" men is part and parcel of men committing violence. No it isn't. Drone strikes, for example, count any fighting-age male as an enemy combatant merely because they are male.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 03:26 AM
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We frequently hear feminists comparing white people and males, often even conflating the two demographics as if they share all the same interests ("white male privilege", "white male entitlement", etc). Funny how the moment someone compares black people and males, suddenly you have an epiphany and realize gender and race and not the same.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 03:17 AM
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I don't accept that men are voluntarily choosing, under no social pressure, to place themselves in violent circumstances.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/19 03:02 AM
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I think you misunderstood what I said. I'm saying that when slaves are captured in war, enemy males are more likely to killed rather than captured.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/19 02:25 PM
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Short answer: No reliable statistics. Long answer: I think this is among the most difficult topics to get statistics on, not least because "human trafficking" is a very vague and unclearly defined term. Wikipedia provides a good overview of problems with the concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking#Criticism Definitions can vary wildly and conceal highly debateable ideological attitudes toward sex work, age of consent, migration and border control, and so on. All in all, I think …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/19 08:12 AM
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Let's be clear: this is because men are the ones perpetrating the violence. What does that matter? Is FGM okay when women do it to other women? Is slut-shaming okay when women do it to other women?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/19 07:09 AM
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Yes, this is definitely one of the best men's issues websites out there. Thanks u/dakru!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/19 12:20 PM
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Being a gang member and thus partaking in that particular culture of violence is not the same as dating someone who commits violence against gang rivals. They are not the quite the same, but certainly both involve the risk of putting oneself in a circumstance where violence is predictable. I don't know how you can justify violence against one but not the other.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/19 05:02 AM
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It seems to me that you are just making excuses for violence against men. Violence is violence, whether it is male-on-female, male-on-male, female-on-female, or female-on-male. Moreover, the article does address the context of violence. It goes out of its way to emphasize that even in incredibly violent circumstances, such as war and genocide, there is more concern about violence against women than violence against men. Men are more likely to choose violent circumstances than women. We can talk …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/19 04:48 AM
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Community service, that sounds good for most crimes but I'm not sure it makes sense for homicide.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/19 03:39 AM
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Regarding Cyntoia Brown, I don't necessarily agree that anyone should get a 51-year prison sentence, but was it because she's female? Is there reason to think that a runaway poor black boy with a criminal record, who had sex with a woman then shot her in the back of the head and claimed pre-emptive self-defence, would get less than 51 years in Tennessee? Even if you believe Brown, her victim Johnny Allen was not "violent". In Brown’s initial account, she explicitly said Allen never tried to rape…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/19 07:01 AM
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I'm sure I've seen this sentencing disparity debunked elsewhere, I wish I could remember where. However I can immediately see some problems with the logic of your links and their sources. The Cyntoia Brown case has so many holes that I might post a separate comment to avoid a wall of text. I have not looked into the Catina Curley case, but since that article misreports the Cyntoia Brown case, it may also be misrepresenting the Catina Curley case too. The ACLU link consists mostly of statistics o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/19 06:27 AM
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It's not speculation. The women were asked exactly what they thought: Participants rated, willingness to protect with items asking how safe, vulnerable and cared for they would feel with him, willingness to provide with items asking how generous, helpful and selfish he would be towards them, willingness to commit with items asking how dependable, loyal and committed he would be, attractiveness asking how attractive they find him and how good a boyfriend/husband he would be, and patronizing and u…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/19 02:23 PM
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I'm not a particular fan of the prison system, but to be honest I don't really have a clear idea of how restorative justice would work. Could you explain that a bit further?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/19 01:15 PM
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The benefit to women is discussed in the study - it is about willingness to protect, provide, and commit. And this seems to be more fundamental than the patronizing and undermining which seems to be a side-effect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/19 01:08 PM
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That's just false. The wording is "consumer spending control." The source girlpowermarketing.com seems to distinguish between wealth and spending, because it follows up the 60% number with: Women account for 85% of all consumer purchases Admittedly these numbers are from a marketing website which is unclear about where it's getting its statistics from. But if they are anywhere near accurate, there is a noticeable difference to the wage gap statistic we always hear for the US - that a woman earns…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/19 08:52 AM
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I wonder, where does the statistic on "personal wealth" comes from, what exactly does it measure, and why do estimates differ? But if the 60% statistic is true, it certainly provides evidence against men being economically privileged (in the US), particularly when combined with the stats on earnings and spending.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/19 08:11 AM
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I wonder, where does the statistic on "personal wealth" comes from, what exactly does it measure, and why do estimates differ? But if the 60% statistic is true, it certainly provides evidence against men being economically privileged, particularly when combined with the stats on earnings and spending. (Even if widows inheriting is the primary factor, that goes back to males' lower life expectancy.)
/r/MensRights29/08/19 08:06 AM
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Actually, a more recent study shows women prefer "benevolently sexist" men despite understanding its subtly undermining effects: Benevolent sexism (BS) has detrimental effects on women, yet women prefer men with BS attitudes over those without. The predominant explanation for this paradox is that women respond to the superficially positive appearance of BS without being aware of its subtly harmful effects. We propose an alternative explanation drawn from evolutionary and sociocultural theories o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/19 07:49 AM
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There was another similar study done recently: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325153053/download
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/19 07:40 AM
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Look, I apologize for what I said yesterday. I made a bad call by saying your idea wasn't expanded on enough. We've been trying to make this place appealing to people with a variety of beliefs, and we're getting criticized from all sides, so these moderation decisions are tricky.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/19 05:52 AM
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Maybe I was being unfair. I'm just aware some people are complaining about posts being too low-effort, too angry, too anti-feminist etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/19 11:02 AM
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We're still working out what the moderation style will be. It's tricky as we have members calling for many different approaches to moderation, so whatever we do it'll alienate someone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/19 10:59 AM
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I'm not disagreeing... but such a short post is unlikely to convince anyone who doesn't already agree. Let's try and make sure posts in this subreddit are high-quality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/19 02:56 AM
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We cannot necessarily trust studies appearing to show women are better than men, because there is a bias toward such results: https://psyarxiv.com/nhvsr/?fbclid=IwAR06CcryLxIevH39l6wBByMzgMEaX4su6b-cDUIkMub7Mtb8M0a4GDqs7V4
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/19 01:33 AM
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For the record, I agree with this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/19 02:15 PM
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With this and Caroline Lucas' proposal, is feminism getting more openly female-supremacist? Well, I hope it backfires and causes more people to question their narrative...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/19 01:04 PM
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Just a heads up: You're talking to a bot. It can't respond to you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/19 12:17 PM
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Chappelle is basically referring to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main#wiki_2._lack_of_reproductive_rights
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/19 09:04 AM
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I'm not sure if the crowd realized he was being serious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/19 08:53 AM
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Off-topic, but whatever happened to Feminist Critics by the way? I remember it being one of the better blogs in the gender sphere. It even inspired one section of this subreddit's Mission Statement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/19 04:56 AM
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Well, I tried posting a review of the video on r/ContraPoints, and it's already been downvoted to 20% after just 20 minutes: https://www.reddit.com/r/ContraPoints/comments/cvdta8/a_leftwing_male_advocates_thoughts_on_the_men/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/19 09:01 PM
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Well, I tried posting a review of the video on r/ContraPoints, and it's already been downvoted to 20% after just 20 minutes: https://www.reddit.com/r/ContraPoints/comments/cvdta8/a_leftwing_male_advocates_thoughts_on_the_men/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/19 08:54 PM
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Well, I tried posting a review of the video on r/ContraPoints, and it's already been downvoted to 20% after just 20 minutes: https://www.reddit.com/r/ContraPoints/comments/cvdta8/a_leftwing_male_advocates_thoughts_on_the_men/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/19 08:54 PM
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Hi, I'm the creator of this subreddit, though I do not necessarily speak on behalf of everyone in it. For an overview of where my/our stances fit into the overall gender debate, I suggest reading the Mission Statement if you haven't already read it. But to briefly answer your questions: The various factions of the men's movement/manosphere are all talking about real issues, but the other factions come with various ideological baggage that we may disagree with. r/MensLib have helped raise awarene…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/19 05:55 PM
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Which thread are you referring to?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/19 05:35 PM
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This video was much better than I expected, though imperfect. Like probably most people in the gender debate, I am familiar with ContraPoints/Natalie and have watched most of her videos, but I am always unsure what to make of her. In some ways she comes across as a relatively male-friendly feminist, perhaps partly due to experiences from when she used to live as a male, and also being influenced by the ex-MRA Theryn Meyer. But because her videos present so much self-parody and many different per…
/r/MensRights25/08/19 01:59 PM
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This video was much better than I expected, though imperfect. Like probably most people in the gender debate, I am familiar with ContraPoints/Natalie and have watched most of her videos, but I am always unsure what to make of her. In some ways she comes across as a relatively male-friendly feminist, perhaps partly due to experiences from when she used to live as a male, and also being influenced by the ex-MRA Theryn Meyer. But because her videos present so much self-parody and many different per…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/19 01:58 PM
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This video was much better than I expected, though imperfect. Like probably most people in the gender debate, I am familiar with ContraPoints/Natalie and have watched most of her videos, but I am always unsure what to make of her. In some ways she comes across as a relatively male-friendly feminist, perhaps partly due to experiences from when she used to live as a male, and also being influenced by the ex-MRA Theryn Meyer. But because her videos present so much self-parody and many different per…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/19 01:58 PM
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Thanks for trying to promote r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates! Though unfortunately your comment on r/MensLib has been deleted (surprise surprise), and your comment on the video itself either is buried in the 10000 comments or possibly has been deleted too. If you're a fan of ContraPoints, maybe in future you could try mentioning r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates on r/ContraPoints or r/NataliesBoys and see what kind of response it gets there?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/19 07:10 AM
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This is actually a very good article. It makes a lot of the points that need to be made, and in a way that might actually get through to the average reader. Personally I prefer terms like "misandry" to "benevolent sexism", but it's basically the same point being made.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/08/19 02:38 AM
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Like it or not, we have to care about feminist theory. It's the currently dominant theory about gender (traditionalism is on the way out at this point). To say otherwise is just impotent posturing in my opinion. Is it frustrating that feminists often don't want to hear any criticism, and are often powerful enough to silence it? Yes. But they are powerful enough that we have to try to engage with them anyway. One idea that's been suggested for this subreddit is to do a critical reading of some fe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/08/19 02:14 AM
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In my opinion, there's a complex causal chain going on and it's difficult to say where it begins, because it's all connected through complex feedback loops. Because sperm are cheaper than eggs, male lives are considered more expendable. Whenever there is a situation which is considered to require violence - basically to steal resources and protect against others who want to do the same - it is usually men who are burdened with that violent role. We see that in militaries and in criminal gangs. A…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/19 06:01 PM
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I have not seen those studies before, and they are more convincing evidence than what I have previously seen, so I must admit you have me reconsidering if there's more truth in geek feminism's claims than I thought. Whenever claims are made about misogyny I find it difficult to know how much to believe, because I have seen so many examples of overestimating female victimhood and underestimating male victimhood, and there is even psychological research showing that is a widespread bias. Though I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/19 03:53 PM
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There is no evidence that Assange got the DNC emails from Russia. If Assange/Wikileaks are working for Russian propaganda ops, then why have they released files about Russian surveillance, tweeted against Russian censorship, and worked with anti-Putin punk band Pussy Riot? Getting women onboard lowers the human resources costs. You may have a point here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/19 03:24 PM
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I do agree that there is plenty of common ground which often gets overlooked in these heated debates. Indeed, one of the reasons why I was able to make the connection to *Geek Feminism Wiki* is because I used to be more of a feminist and read feminist blogs. I do hope that this subreddit can be a place to facilitate discussion. I am not convinced about nerd cultures' supposed hatred of women though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/19 03:06 PM
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the tone is a little conspiratorial-sounding and generalized, as if all the people involved schemed to annoy put-upon male nerds. It sounds like your post can be boiled down to "fake geek girls ruined our hobbies because they want attention and money" (and I admit this is a little reductive, but this is what your post would look like to many outsiders). I did include these caveats to the contrary: (I'm not saying this about all nerdy women or even all nerdy feminists, only whoever drove the agen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/19 02:54 PM
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The CIA is certainly not left-wing, whatever Gloria Steinem says about it. Liberal? Though they might be considered "liberal" in the sense that they defend capitalism and ostensibly "democracy", they routinely violate American civil liberties through mass surveillance for a start. Nonviolent? They have been involved in who knows how many wars, coups, assassinations etc around the world. Oh and they trained al-Qaeda in case you forgot. Honorable? Their entire reason for existence is to do covert,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/19 09:55 AM
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I wouldn't credit the Reformation for that declawing though, except perhaps in a very indirect sense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/19 06:30 AM
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Actually I personally don't agree that the Reformation was positive. I think both sides of the Reformation were wrong, since I don't believe in the Bible any more than papal infallibility. But overall, yes, much progress has come from disagreement and I didn't mean to say that disagreement is bad.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/19 06:20 AM
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Great article! As I said in the Mission Statement, feminism is basically perpetrating systemic psychological abuse against males, and this double bind is a prime example of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/19 06:09 AM
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The supposed radical leftist feminist Gloria Steinem worked for an extremely right-wing institution, the CIA.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/19 06:02 AM
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For centuries, we men have been capable of maintaining profound relationships with people we disagree I have to cringe a bit at this kind of rhetoric. I mean, there have also been plenty of wars over disagreements.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/19 05:51 AM
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Is there any widely accepted redditiquette around use of moderator flairs?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/19 05:08 AM
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I'm not arguing against coexistence or open mindedness. I'm in favor of those things. And yes I agree with the need to have cut through arguments. We just have to figure out what are the best arguments for that!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/19 07:06 PM
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It doesn't explicitly identify as MRA. Whether it is MRA depends on how you define it - see my top-level reply.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/19 05:43 PM
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I think the discussion here has been a lot more nuanced than "feminism sucks".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/19 05:35 PM
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It depends on how one defines "MRA". See my top-level response to the OP: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/cry84u/whats\_with\_the\_fixation\_on\_feminism\_instead\_of\_an/exc9105/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/19 05:34 PM
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I understand where you're coming from and that was one of the factors I weighed up when deciding what to name the subreddit. But I figure if we're going to make our own group it might as well have its own name.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/19 05:33 PM
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It is of course possible that you and the OP have a point, that we could be focusing more on more basic issues. That said, whatever male issue is being discussed, there is usually some feminist theory impeding awareness and understanding of it. This is certainly true for f-on-m intimate partner violence. So feminism usually needs to be addressed as part of the discussion. Also see my top-level response to the OP: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/cry84u/whats_with_the_fixat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/19 05:26 PM
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I don't see how bemoaning feminism is productive nor do I see how it's anything radically different than what right-wing spaces are doing either. See my top-level response to the OP: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/cry84u/whats_with_the_fixation_on_feminism_instead_of_an/exc9105/ As leftists it's important to not only compartmentalize these social politics but to embrace them as a unified egalitarian movement. This subreddit's Mission Statement acknowledges both good and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/19 05:20 PM
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I personally think the term "MRA" has a bit too much baggage at this point, it just puts people on the defensive. I have similar concerns about the term and that's one of the reasons I haven't been using it. Also see my top-level response to the OP: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/cry84u/whats_with_the_fixation_on_feminism_instead_of_an/exc9105/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/19 05:10 PM
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Number 3 post of all time on a men's issue sub: a post "debunking" false rape accusations. Note: I'm not saying there is a "false rape accusations epidemic" or that they are near the number of rapes or sexual assaults. However, just like every rape is one too many, every false accusation is one too many, and I find it strange that one of the top posts of all time on a men's issue sub is a post downplaying and delegitimizing one men's issue and tying it to regressive views or misogyny, thereby ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/19 05:00 PM
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Hi, I'm the creator of this subreddit. There are probably many things I could say, but right now I am too tired to write with the clarity required (sorry if this post is badly written, I'm just trying to get an official response up quickly). For now, I will refer you to the more considered statements I have previously written. On criticisms of feminism, women, leftists etc, the overarching point is: the political and social environment in which men live is extremely relevant to male issues, so y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/19 04:27 PM
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That's been tried and it doesn't work - the issues get distorted to fit women's interests and the feminist theoretical framework. Feminism being the only forum to discuss gender is a big part of the problem. And give me a break about if only more men participated. Many men have tried it and feminists just censor any male perspective that they don't like. And if we respect their "decorum", we undermine our own arguments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/19 01:46 AM
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"Whataboutism" is just a word designed to discredit anyone who challenges propaganda against a particular group. I notice it's the same accusation used to defend war propaganda.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/19 01:39 AM
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Couldn't have put it better myself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/19 01:56 PM
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Thanks, I forgot to mention that point: being seen as having more agency is not an advantage.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/19 12:21 PM
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This strikes me as just another male-demonizing article. There is no acknowledgement that it is only a small minority of men committing this violence. There is no analysis of what might be causing males to commit this violence. There is no mention of ways in which women can be violent. The article basically boils down to "males are evil."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/19 10:25 AM
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By the same anti-idpol logic, isn’t any kind of male advocacy also an identitarian movement that objectively works to smooth over economic class distinctions through class collaborationism? There is certainly truth to the view that identity issues are pushed to distract from economics, but it’s also true that there are many real identity issues. To get the left to consider male advocacy as legitimate, we need an extra argument that distinguishes between feminism and, say, black identity politics…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/19 05:52 AM
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Well, at least now they can't argue that war is caused by maleness!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/19 05:04 AM
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I listened to a lecture from Andrew Kliman where he says the more liberal take that wages have not risen any since the 70s is false based on his analysis, that wages rose it's just that all the wage increases since then have went to women. That sounds interesting, do you have a link for that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/19 05:03 AM
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But, I see that need as being for constructive criticism rather than simple bashing or unfair rebuke stemming from blatant misunderstanding. Of course. This is also true when criticizing anything - one should try to avoid unfair and uncharitable criticisms. Though unfortunately, the nature of political debate incentivizes the opposite behaviour. So, for example, men are unfairly disadvantaged with criminal justice punishments because they get harsher sentences, but that doesn't nullify the fact …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/19 06:38 AM
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Wow. I will have to add Ke$ha to my list of female celebrities who should have been #MeTooed. Come to think of it, isn't Ke$ha the one who sued her producer or someone for rape? She doesn't have a leg to stand on if she routinely sexually harasses men on her tour bus. Another recent addition to the list is Katy Perry: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7349551/Male-model-accuses-Katy-Perry-pulling-pants-expose-birthday-party.html
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/19 06:21 AM
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To deny this overwhelming tendency of demonization/vilification of feminists among MRA's would be incredibly dishonest. As the creator of this subreddit, I don't deny it. I've already taken flak from radical MRAs for advising against outright demonizing feminists. In the Mission Statement I wrote for this subreddit, I even listed some points where I think we can agree with feminists: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/wiki/missionstatement#wiki_where_might_we_have_common_ground_with_…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/19 06:16 AM
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Those videos of the "progressive stack" are very reminiscent of how radical feminism split the 1960s left - it seems the same has happened to Occupy Wall Street and now the DSA. The whole "point of privilege" discourse is totally cringeworthy and it's difficult to envision the DSA ever achieving anything if they waste time arguing about things like that. I can't tell to what extent this keeps happening organically because of feminists pushing a female-supremacist agenda, and to what extent it's …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/19 10:58 AM
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"Alt-right" does have a meaning, it means white nationalism. But sometimes the term is slanderously applied to people who have nothing to do with the alt-right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/19 10:16 AM
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Well firstly there's the whole question of whether "liberal" equals "leftist". Certainly in terms of economics, liberals are at most center-left. I've recently written some thoughts on this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/cl4on7/a_step_in_the_right_direction_or_just_not_good/ew3iezr/ Though that said, the far-left can be even worse, as has been covered in some other recent threads: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/cpsbrj/internet_culture_and_p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/19 10:08 AM
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Zizek is saying a lot of what needs to be said here. Of course he still doesn't question the overarching theory of men being the oppressors, but he's pushing the boundaries of what is currently socially acceptable to say on the left, so hopefully he's moving the Overton Window in the right direction.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/19 09:53 AM
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These graphs cover 50 years so it's difficult to distinguish 2011 from the surrounding years. Also not every word on the graph follows the same trajectory. Are there particular words which took off in 2011? Also, even if we assume that the divide and conquer theory is correct, Occupy Wall Street is not the only establishment-challenging event that could have created a need to divide the population. Also consider the GFC in 2008, the Manning leaks in 2010, the Snowden leaks in 2013, the DNC leaks…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/19 09:21 AM
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They responded by infiltrating activist environments with spies Ah yes, I forgot to mention that part in the other thread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/19 09:12 AM
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Yeah, most of the political tests classify me as some kind of libertarian socialist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/19 09:06 AM
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Yeah atheism+ seems like the earlies major schism, unless I forgot something. It's the earliest one I can remember too. It's hard to believe all the political polarization of today sprang from a brief sexual proposition in an elevator at an atheist convention, but maybe it did! And if that's the case, I guess it's not caused by any conspiracy, though it could still have been manipulated by one. But I do wonder where those ideas originated before it arrived on the Internet and why and how they be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/19 08:59 AM
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Vaush is a Youtube male feminist who will at least debate, though he often won't be respectful about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/19 08:27 AM
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How is it possible that a so-called "progressive", "quality" newspaper (and I used to ascribe both of those adjectives to them) can be so blasé in the face of obvious bigotry? Yeah, I used to like the Guardian too. They've definitely gone downhill. But now I wonder if they were ever as good as I thought they were. Maybe their biases have just become more blatant over time. On the other hand, one might say "never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by stupidity/incompetence", and the me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/19 08:13 AM
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I'm the creator of this subreddit, and to be honest, I am not well-read on leftist economic theory. I mean, I've followed politics for about a decade now so I'm pretty sure my politics are somewhere on the left, but admittedly I don't have all the detail worked out in terms of exactly how the economic system functions and how to address that. I am constantly trying to refine my political thinking and understand how things relate to each other.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/19 05:34 PM
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Caroline Lucas has already had to apologize for the fact that her proposed cabinet is all-white: https://news.yahoo.com/caroline-lucas-apologises-proposing-white-145949500.html Of course, she has not apologized for the fact that it is all-female. She's still claiming women have superior political skills.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/19 04:49 PM
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Love the account name, by the way. I’ve been asking myself roughly the same questions for roughly the same period of time, and I wish I knew the answer! Here are my thoughts. One possible factor is that the ruling class are exploiting cultural debates to divide and conquer the population. I notice that all the issues you raise are part of the “culture war” – religion, sexuality, gender, race, etc. You’re not even mentioning the universalist issues of economics, wars, environmental destruction, e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/19 04:27 PM
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Woman caught on security camera beating herself up in an elevator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJwsIB0mwLk Copies of the video are available here: https://www.9news.com.au/national/domestic-violence-false-accusation-claim-police/43526fbb-56c2-444b-b67a-b01067381ab6, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dlt0Ghbd6w, https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7890879/woman-self-punch-frames-husband-domestic-violence/, http://pageseven.co/video-cruel-wife-caught-punching-herself-in-elevator-before-trying-to-fram…
/r/MensRights13/08/19 05:28 AM
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Seen reports Perry deliberately exposed herself in business meetings with men and told them to meet her in her bathroom while she was washing herself. Do you have a citation for that?
/r/MensRights13/08/19 05:16 AM
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Yes, it totally destroys the idea that we live in a misogynistic society!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/19 04:06 AM
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You're probably right. The only politicians who even begin to talk about male issues are far-right parties, and I don't think I could ever bring myself to vote for them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/19 03:55 AM
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If it was an explicitly all-male cabinet, I think we know what would be said about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/19 12:28 PM
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Sorry, as lead moderator I should perhaps show more of a stiff upper lip. I don't want to spread my bad mood to everyone else! I'm not sure how to handle the logistics of an AMA, but yeah I guess it's something to look into.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/19 10:11 AM
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If we end up doing it, I may have to reread TMOMP or listen to some Farrell interviews to get some questions to the front of my mind. Would you get in contact with Farrell to find out if he would be interested, or would you want me to do that too? Reaching out to other subreddits could be tricky as many of them already dislike and/or have banned me. And on our own I don't think we have enough members yet for an AMA to be worthwhile.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/19 10:10 AM
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I don't think that's explicitly Green in any way, just some general contemporary leftist atmosphere. That doesn't make me feel any better about it. It means there's nowhere to go, other than my own little subreddit with a few hundred members who can't agree with each other on anything.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/19 09:31 AM
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Did you read the article? British Green Party leader Carolina Lucas is advocating that a bunch of women from across the British political spectrum come together to form an all-female cabinet and cut male politicians out of the government. 100 years ago women were excluded from positions of political authority (and yes I know that before women had a vote they had all-female lobby groups and probably other covert forms of power behind the scenes). If that was considered male supremacy, then what w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/19 09:17 AM
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I am so sick of how the media always presents anti-feminists as a threatening out-group, generalizing and demonizing us, conflating various ideological strands. They almost never actually talk to an anti-feminist man to find out *why* we might feel so alienated by their propaganda machine. I do happen to agree that some very dubious far-right ideologies are using anti-feminism to recruit young men. But I don't think the two are inherently connected and I'm unconvinced that the far right actually…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/19 09:07 AM
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Honestly I'm not sure if I mind being useless per se. In some sense it's a good thing if society is getting less inclined to exploit me by making me do some dangerous job. But I do worry more about the social consequences of being useless, and being unwanted by women and employers. The constant demonization of men gets to me too. I pretty much reject its claims - I do not believe I am prone to violence or holding society back, or at least not inherently so. But I do worry about the consequences …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/19 08:41 AM
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I've been a longtime supporter of the Australian Greens, but in recent years I've been reevaluating that as they've grown ever more misandrist, and this is yet another nail in the coffin unfortunately. > this is just one of several ridiculous proposals she has made over the past year or so. What were her other ridiculous proposals? (I don't closely follow British politics and don't really understand the whole Brexit debate/debacle.)
/r/MensRights12/08/19 08:07 AM
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Those quotes don't seem particularly about maleness. They are just about individuals feeling unhappy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/19 10:24 PM
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That 1958 article is quite a find. It reads like it could have been written today. It seems to be the male counterpart to all the historical celebrations and lamentations about declining misogyny. Actually, that could be another good brainstorming project for our subreddit - to collect together a bunch of examples of historical quotes like this. It's like there is a sort of collective revisionist history going on constantly - with each new generation overestimating the power of their fathers and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/19 12:53 PM
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The post title was kind of misleading, but it's an interesting idea, I guess, and may be something to look into. Do people here have questions they would want to ask Farrell?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/19 12:34 PM
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I just realized I was confusedly recalling the findings of the Basic Indicator of Gender Inequality, a relatively new measure which attempts to include male disadvantages as well as female disadvantages: https://www.genderequality.info/, https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0205349 As with the more mainstream/feminist indexes, their choice of which issues to include is inescapably subjective. They chose to include only life expectancy, life satisfaction, and educatio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/19 12:27 PM
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Well it's certainly an improvement on the current fashion, which is more about demonizing men as hateful irrational "backlashers" worried about losing "male privilege". She's right that the left needs to think more deeply about why men are alienated, rather than seeing us as irrational demons to be either fought or totally converted. But her proposed alternative has its own problems. The guardian series that she did on masculinity was deeply flawed. It basically focused on how men should find pu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/19 06:45 AM
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Hmm. And now I think about It, I've also heard it claimed that early modern Europe was the most "misogynist" time period. Religious fundamentalism is a common factor there. But maybe there is something else behind that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/08/19 03:13 AM
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It does seem to be true that the actual poorest countries are worst on gender equality measures. It's just that media doesn't bother to report on poorest countries
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/19 10:57 PM
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IIRC, it is true that poorer countries tend to have a worse ranking on the various gender equality indexes. (The indexes are biased but supposedly measure misogyny.) I'm on my phone so can't link any sources right now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/19 10:55 PM
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By either definition of "alpha", only an elite minority of males can be one. I think we should try to reduce the gendered expectations placed on men as much as possible, rather than arguing over what those gendered expectations should be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/19 07:48 AM
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There is a difference between discounting a source out of hand, and considering that source to be not necessarily trustworthy because of its ideological slant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/19 04:54 AM
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There is a difference between discounting a source out of hand, and considering that source to be not necessarily trustworthy because of its ideological slant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/19 04:53 AM
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For further clarification: The mod team is still working out our moderation approach behind the scenes. However, I am opposed to u/Forgetaboutthelonely's suggestion of using moderator powers to police logical fallacies, which strikes me as a rule that could only ever be applied in a totally biased way. Furthermore I am not necessarily convinced that you committed a logical fallacy in the first place. If you're just pointing out the ideological slant of the publication, then I think u/Forgetabout…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/19 03:29 AM
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But I think attacking the source can be relevant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/19 02:01 AM
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Well I'm an environmentalist and I wasn't aware it made me unmasculine. I wonder if it's more a side-effect of the left-right divide generally. I have been involved with green groups and grown frustrated with the misandry that is present there as in all left-wing movements. Even though I care about the issues, that certainly makes me feel alienated, so I could understand that that is alienating lots of men from environmentalism. Also, green groups (rightly) oppose fossil fuel industries which em…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/19 01:46 AM
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If the argument being made is as hyperbolic as "this person said bad things i disagree with and therefore they should be discounted", then yes I agree that is illogical. But the reality is that most, if not all, political commentators and publications are not neutral observers, they are propagandists for a particular point of view. So when someone points out patterns in the ideological narratives being pushed by someone, I don't think you can just dismiss it as an "ad hominem" or "genetic fallac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/19 01:28 AM
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I said in half of society it wins brownie points. In any case it is socially acceptable because it's part of the mainstream political spectrum. Also I live in Australia which (thankfully IMO) is not quite as right-wing as America.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/19 01:16 AM
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That's true, but the problem is that radfems are usually criticizing from the wrong direction.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/19 01:12 AM
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The problem is that you could say that about any argument.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/19 01:10 AM
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I think the points being raised are about more than "the proper people to like/dislike". To me, ultimately it's about certain ideas being expressed by those people. It makes sense to criticize anyone who is saying things that are arguably misandrist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 03:12 PM
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Are you gonna ban everyone who doesn't limit his criticism to just the red-haired feminists? Speaking as the senior moderator, that is certainly not my intention.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 03:10 PM
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Yeah, I am more skeptical about the suggestion of trying to police logical fallacies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 03:06 PM
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A lot of the other possible names have already been taken by other men's movement factions, or are vague and currently have multiple meanings.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 02:57 PM
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In the Mission Statement I made some attempt to define what this subreddit wants to be. Have you read it, and if so what do you think about it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 02:55 PM
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Maybe The Myth of Male Power since it is available online. I'm not aware if Farrell's other books are. I'd love to do critical readings of feminist books too. Indeed I already have a head start with some notes critiquing a number of classic feminist books. And I would love to create a resource countering arguments. I am toying with the idea of starting a personal blog/website to do this, but something similar could be done with the subreddit wiki. However, so far this subreddit has kept me busie…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 02:53 PM
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Book discussions sounds like it could open up some good conversations about theory. Though it might have to be limited to texts that are freely available online so that everyone can read them. The main problem I foresee is a problem I've seen with other subreddit book discussions - nobody gets around to reading the book. But it's certainly an idea to try and see if it generates some good discussion. (Though as another mod says, we may need to expand more first.)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 02:44 PM
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Hmm, that is an interesting idea... Though it may have practical problems, eg. are we including all the various factions of men's advocates? worse, how do we stop trolls from calling themselves "men's advocates" to answer said questions?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 02:39 PM
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It is true there has been a campaign of posts of that type, which seem to be coming mostly from the Pro-Male Collective. They've even banned me from their subreddit because they see me as impure too. That said, I think the points being raised are about more than "the proper people to like/dislike". Ultimately it's about certain ideas being expressed by those people. It makes sense to criticize anyone who is saying things that are arguably misandrist. More positively, yes, I would like for us to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 02:36 PM
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I can't speak for the OP, but I think the points being raised are about more than "the proper people to like/dislike". To me, ultimately it's about certain ideas being expressed by those people. It makes sense to criticize anyone who is saying things that are arguably misandrist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 02:28 PM
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I agree with your main point. It makes sense to criticize anyone who is saying misandrist things, regardless of whether or not that person is a feminist. It's kinda cowardly to only criticize the crazy feminists. I don't agree that it's cowardly to only criticize feminists. Speaking from personal experience, I have to summon far more courage to criticise feminists than to criticize centrists and right-wingers. Criticizing right-wingers is socially acceptable and in half of society it wins browni…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 02:23 PM
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"It worked" because deep down people care for women on a level that they simply don't care for men. Simply put the MRM can't just copy what feminism did for women and then do it for men. I think this is a key point. We can't just go around trying to silence people who may disagree with us, and expect it to work in the same way it worked for feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 02:00 PM
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I was thinking about mentioning Meghan Murphy and Phyllis Chesler, also shitty people and radfems who write for Quillette. It does seem like a pattern. They are allying with the most bigoted of feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 01:22 PM
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Good point, it is most likely confusing correlation and causation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 01:01 PM
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To date, nobody has been permanently banned from this subreddit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/19 03:49 AM
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The name is the one thing that can't be changed about a subreddit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 10:31 PM
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"Boys will be boys" - ok, I glanced at the Alternet article. I see now that the phrase is specifically about teenage boys, and the article claims that the same leeway was not given to teenage girls. But I've read elsewhere that it was mainly boys who used to receive corporal punishment. And I'm not sure any of this is still true in 2019. "high school boy locker room talk" - as a defense for what exactly? From what I hear, women/girls also talk to each other about their sexual partners, if anythi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 09:03 PM
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Oh, sorry, I guess I misunderstood you? But in that case your broader argument makes little sense. If men receive longer sentences, how can you say they're getting away with crimes due to male privilege?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 08:50 PM
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Especially regarding important things like Kavanaugh or Brock Turner (the rapist). Kavanaugh and Brock Turner are both highly privileged in ways that have nothing to do with being male. Kavanaugh obviously is a high-ranking judge. Turner was a rising-star athlete. His female equivalent would be a female rising star athlete or perhaps a rising star model. Also he was white, had no criminal record, and lived in California. So to prove male privilege in this case, you would need to find an otherwis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 08:37 PM
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It has very famously gotten boys out of trouble even recently. Really? What is a specific recent example of someone who got out of trouble because they were male, let alone because of the argument that "boys will be boys"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 08:27 PM
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I think the most important question here is, is the current version of the Violence Against Women Act still biased against male victims and assuming males to be perpetrators? And I'm not sure the "boys will be boys" line has ever been used in the way that feminists claim.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 08:22 PM
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I think the most important question here is, is the current version of the Violence Against Women Act still biased against male victims and assuming males to be perpetrators? And yeah I agree that AOC is misrepresenting Mitch McConnell. I'm not sure the "boys will be boys" line has ever been used in the way that feminists claim. On a side note, I don't like the name "Moscow Mitch" - not out of any liking for the Republicans, but because I don't buy into the narrative that Russia is "hacking elec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 08:21 PM
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people of color often receive lengthier sentences for the same crimes (or women compared to men) Uh, what? It's men who receive lengthier sentences than women for the same crimes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 08:09 PM
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The study is paywalled, but quoting from an earlier draft that is available: ftp://repec.iza.org/RePEc/Discussionpaper/dp11933.pdf “male subjects (super)liked 61.9% of the female evaluated profiles, while female subjects (super)liked only 4.5% of the male evaluated profiles. This finding is in line with previous research on online dating in general and on Tinder in particular. Indeed, Tyson et al. argue that this is due to a feedback loop: ‘men are driven to be less selective in the hope of atta…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 08:02 PM
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I do agree that gender is not purely a social construct. It seems to me highly likely that it is all rooted in evolved sex differences. That said there also does appear to be a spectrum of how that manifests in individuals, with some men being more feminine, some women being more masculine, and some individuals being hard to place in either category. As to whether "gender is simply a choice" and anyone can "choose their gender"... I really have no idea. That gets into some complicated science an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 07:52 PM
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Well it's definitely misandry, since they asked for a female passenger. Racism could also have played a part. What did the crew expect the man to try in a crowded plane anyway?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 03:22 PM
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They're not against trans people as such. I think Julie Bindel might be. Genuine trans people are not the issue. This just begs the question, how do we tell which ones are genuine? And how should they be treated if they are judged not to be genuine? F ex men who call themselves women to win sports competitions are. To be honest I don't care about sports. I suppose there is a question about how sports should deal with the transgender issue, but out of all the problems in the world, it is extremel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 03:17 PM
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Ok, that is interesting. So are they almost like a debate publication where a variety of opinions get published? To be clear, I am not particularly pro- or anti-Quillette since I don't know much about them. I'm only commenting on them because I'm being pushed to take a side.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 10:48 AM
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But the article was about the nonsense of dogmatic and boundless genderneutrality and genderfluidity (f ex men winning women's sports contests, men in women's bathrooms) I am not going to get into the debate of whether transgender people are "real" or "acting". I know there are a few trans people on this subreddit, so maybe they would like to jump in and talk about that. But either way I do not see any big problem with it. What harm does it do if someone wants to live as a different gender than …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 10:45 AM
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I'm not entirely surprised. There's a long history of radfems and conservatives working together when it suits them, for example on anti-porn campaigns. Clearly many conservatives share radfems' beliefs about the supposed evils of male sexuality. Now the trans issue has become another point of agreement between them for similar reasons. (I wonder if the radfems will also support Trump's policy on violent video games?) I initially supported the "anti-SJW" movement back when it started around 2013…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/19 09:13 AM
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Mel Feit's NCM site http://www.nationalcenterformen.org/ Huh, are they a different group from the National Coalition for Men? https://ncfm.org/ They have very similar names. Is one a splinter group from the other?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/19 10:46 AM
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Why do so many men (including many MRAs) accept the paradigm... Partly because it's difficult to escape the anti-male feminist propaganda which pervades our society. Partly because backward societies, at first glance and even at second glance, do appear male-dominated, with men holding roles of overt authority in the state, church, and household, and with women often denied certain rights such as participation in public politics. Certainly there is more evidence of male power than in modern soci…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/19 10:36 AM
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if somebody calls herself a liberal feminist, let her first discuss with mainstream feminists and call out their dogmatism, not tell non-feminists not all feminists are that bad. Yes, this is a major problem with anyone defending feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/19 09:58 AM
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I posted some criticism of liberal feminism above: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/cl4on7/a_step_in_the_right_direction_or_just_not_good/ew3iezr/ They are less invested in modern feminist theory and more likely to support due process for the accused, so in those ways they are closer to a male advocate position. However liberal feminists generally support the status quo, or the status quo prior to the current wave of feminism. So they are on more likely to be on our side w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/19 09:45 AM
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Yes, that was implied by the question in the title of your post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/19 09:26 AM
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I have often heard this claim, that "empowerment" of third-world women will lead to all kinds of wonderful things. Usually there are studies claiming to back it up. I'm not quite sure what to make of those claims.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/19 08:56 AM
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That is an astounding statistic. I don't know what else to say about it really.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/19 08:50 AM
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PS: I just posted an admittedly belated response to an Areo article on liberal feminism: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/cl4on7/a_step_in_the_right_direction_or_just_not_good/ew3iezr/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/19 08:38 AM
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I only just got around to reading this. I assume you are referring to the article by Maria Kouloglou rather than the comments? The article is pretty short and only gives so much info on the author’s position. It doesn’t tell me what she thinks about many of the issues listed in the Mission Statement. Generally, liberal feminists tend to like the first and early second waves of feminism, support similar activism in the developing world, and more or less support the status quo in the developed wor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/19 08:34 AM
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Actually, here is a better link: https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/FT_19.04.11_MilitaryDraftMap.png?w=640
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/19 07:44 AM
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I'm not hugely familiar with those publications, but Spiked and Quillette seem to be right-libertarian so I would disagree with much of what they put out. Areo might be more reasonable, as they position themselves to the left of Quillette, and they say they want to critique the left without supporting the right (though admittedly, that is also what Sargon used to say). Of course, none of these outlets are particularly focused on male issues, but they may provide some useful criticism of feminism…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/19 06:24 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription#By_country
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/19 05:44 AM
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To be honest I don't live in the US and am not sure what is going on there. Last I heard, the NCFM won its lawsuit to rule a male-only draft as unconstitutional gender discrimination, but it was unclear whether the US government would have to abolish the draft or expand it to women. That was six months ago, I'm not sure what has happened to the issue since then. Apparently a report is due in March 2020. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coalition_for_Men_v._Selective_Service_System
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/19 01:42 PM
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the Amazing Atheist, who I would consider a classic example of a Youtube anti-SJW or anti-feminist He was actually kind of the archetype for the Youtube anti-SJWs - the others are basically copying him and aren't as good.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/19 01:04 PM
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Well, I suppose LeftWingMaleAdvocates wants to extend an olive branch of some description. Yeah, we tried. But the Pro-Male Collective has now denounced us in no uncertain terms, so we probably won't recommend them after all.
/r/MensRights05/08/19 01:01 PM
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I was going to plug your group in LWMA's list of resources. I probably won't now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/19 06:34 AM
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I have shown you proof that Mew calls people idiots. And how is that different from you calling people insane? having access to sexuality is not a human right. If women do not want you, or anyone, that is not a human rights violation, you have to be insane to think that is a men;s rights issue. And another thing - where is anyone saying that sex is a human right? Even the pro-monogamy guy didn't say that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/19 04:22 AM
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That was a bot speaking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/19 04:14 AM
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You are strawmanning me now. All of those issues are listed in the Mission Statement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/19 04:02 AM
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Ok, can you cite that online somehow? Or a time he said similar? I strongly suspect his position is nuanced in such a way that his words will matter. https://freethoughtblogs.com/singham/2015/10/09/sam-harris-on-killing-people-for-thought-crimes/ "The link between belief and behavior raises the stakes considerably. Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them. This may seem an extraordinary claim, but it merely enunciates an ordinary fact about…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/19 04:28 PM
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I considered deleting this entire thread. But I figure since people are determined to argue about the moderation, they might as well do it in this thread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/19 04:20 PM
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At present I don't propose any particular solution. And if anything I've argued against enforced social monogamy. But I do think that involuntary celibacy (for want of a better term) is a men's issue, and it should be talked about. We certainly can't find any solutions by shouting down any mention of the topic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/19 03:40 PM
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Well that is why my examples are sorted by ideology. Clearly, the "left-leaning", "socialist", and "pro-male collective" camps I've already listed would disagree with each other on many points, so it's not like I'm compiling a dogmatic unquestionable bible. Maybe I could add a "libertarian" category or something for some of the people you mention.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/19 03:30 PM
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You're here because of your relationship issues. You not having a girlfriend or a wife is not a men's rights issue "Rights" does not appear in the name of the subreddit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/19 03:26 PM
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I was thinking more along the lines of left-leaning resources.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/19 02:55 PM
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I'm not the person you were arguing with, but here are some points to back up what he said about Sam Harris. As an atheist I agree with Harris to a point. I agree that religion is bad, but I think he ignores other factors. Ages ago I read his first book, but that made me realize I differ from him on some big issues. I know he denies promoting war and the killing of Muslims, and he doesn't say those things explicitly. But in his book he came very close to saying the United States is justified in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/19 02:44 PM
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The ProMaleCollective looks like it was set up primarily to attack this sub. No, they've existed for about a year.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/19 01:22 PM
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Now this is a much more constructive way of responding to disagreements: with calm, rational argument. But note that when I called your position "radical", I did not mean that it is wrong. Indeed my thinking on this issue is closer to yours than mewacketergi or Harris. I merely meant that your position is further from the (present) mainstream, so when you're arguing with someone you need to remember they might not have ever heard the arguments in favor of your position.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/19 12:35 PM
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Maybe so, but most people have absorbed the feminist view through the mainstream media and cultural osmosis. You have to meet people where they are at.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/19 10:44 AM
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in practice, he banned u/gas_the_tradcons for being abusive and spewing ad homs, but the same standards don't apply to someone like mewacketergi who constantly spews his venom at others, calling them "lonely radicals" and "crazy radicals" among other things. u/gas_the_tradcons stated that he was not going to tone down his rhetoric and he was prepared to be banned for it. After saying that, his rhetoric became even more abusive, and I had little choice but to ban him. If anyone else shows a patte…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/19 07:46 AM
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I am in a different time zone from most people on the English-speaking internet, so I'm not always able to respond to these situations as quickly as I would like. However having now looked into the situation, I have posted a response in the other thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/cliefb/sam_harris_at_his_misandric_worst/evxp5eu/ The upshot is that I am totally opposed to male genital mutilation, but I am not banning anyone at this time. I will probably delete those …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/19 07:35 AM
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You repeatedly describe yourself as radical in your own videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ir-sXiNvRU I'm not necessarily saying being radical is bad. But you are a self-described radical, that is a fact.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/19 06:52 AM
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Not for the first time on the topic of circumcision, this thread has gotten quite heated and spiraled into personal insults from both sides. It's difficult to judge who started the insults, considering how easily online arguments can escalate and this is essentially a continuing dispute from a previous thread. I will not be banning anyone at this time, but I will probably delete those comments which are more insult-filled and content-free. (Deciding exactly which comments to delete is a judgemen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/19 06:44 AM
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I am in a different time zone from most people on the English-speaking internet, so I'm not always able to respond to these situations as quickly as I would like. I am looking into it now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/19 04:22 AM
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I agree. Demonizing sexuality is going to impact primarily men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/19 11:05 AM
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I understand the argument, that women are more selective therefore if you allow everyone to freely choose you end up with polygyny by default. And it's certainly an alarming prospect. However, I'm not sure I'm fully convinced by that argument. It ignores that women have no refractory period, so it's actually easier for a few women to satisfy lots of men than vice versa. There is a possible evolutionary incentive for it too: male competition on the level of sperm rather than individuals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/19 10:24 AM
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I'm not arguing with that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/19 07:16 PM
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The system you are describing is polygyny, it allows only men to have multiple spouses. I'm not advocating that. I'm not even particularly arguing for group marriages. I'm just arguing people shouldnt be punished for having sex with more than one person. As I say, in practice that behaviour happens anyway to some extent regardless of the official system.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/19 07:11 PM
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Sure, it's possible that is the reason.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/19 11:43 AM
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Well I am definitely not in favor of bringing back religion. I consider it a bunch of scientifically unfounded, psychologically abusive bullshit - not so different from another ideology I could mention.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/19 11:27 AM
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I think we should wait until we have more content and FAQs that we can share to those dropping in via that ad. Some more in-depths resources on issues affecting men, and pointers for things one can do to help, maybe. I have been meaning to get around to making some lists of resources. Are you thinking resources in terms of evidence and analysis of issues, or in terms of crisis helplines, or in terms of self-help advice on male dating or lifestyle, or any of the above? The other question is how i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/19 09:58 AM
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I know why they want deportation, that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. I notice you don't like immigrants getting welfare but you also don't like immigrants getting jobs. There's basically nothing an immigrant could do to satisfy you except leave or die. Though I oppose antifa's no-platforming tactics, I agree that Western capitalist society is rotten, and democracy is largely a sham. Sure, it's less bad than other societies, but there's no shortage of reasons to oppose the system. Also ca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/19 08:53 AM
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Nobody is saying that all men are innately violent savages unless they get a girl. That would indeed by misandrist. However, when we look at societal trends, there does seem to be a correlation between sexual frustration and violence among a small minority of men. There is a reason why jihadists promise 72 virgins in heaven. And it only takes a tiny minority of terrorists to cause havoc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/19 08:26 AM
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I don't agree with u/TC1827, but I think you're going to the other extreme. I don't think women should (or can) be forced back into monogamy, but I also don't think men should (or can) just stop wanting some sort of sexual relationship. I admit I don't have any easy solution to put forward, but I do think men are sexually disadvantaged and men's movements should discuss that problem. I'm not saying that sex is a human right, but it is a human need that is a factor in human wellbeing. It is a maj…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/19 07:05 AM
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But... Blaming feminists for the sexual revolution happening they way it did is probably wrong -- they just stood nearby when the transition to the post-industrial society happened, which is what caused the change in the sexual mores, and the women's movement had nothing at all to do with making it happen in the first place, even if they like to credit themselves for mostly-positive changes in society that were too major to be caused by any one social or political movement. Indeed, these days ev…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/19 06:37 AM
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I (and probably most of us here) agree that men are disadvantaged in dating (see for example the other recent thread on this topic). The question is what (if anything) should be done about it. I admit I don’t have any easy solution of my own, but I’m not convinced that monogamy is the solution either. For one thing, I don't think our society has yet fully tried moving away from a monogamous system; we seem to be in more of a halfway-house. I think u/heimdahl81 put it well in his comment on the o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/19 06:34 AM
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You're on a sub with "male advocates" in the title but you're complaining about identity politics? Obviously I'm not against all identity politics. I'm just against the type that's in vogue (ie. feminism, or at least certain aspects thereof), and I'm complaining that some socialists are putting that ahead of the class-based politics they claim to be about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/19 03:50 PM
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Yeah I agree.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/19 01:05 PM
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Yeah, I get that immigration into rich countries is not great for lower class whites. (By the way there are some leftists who agree with you on this - Angela Nagle is one of them.) I might support a reduction in overall immigration. But I don't support deporting people who have already emigrated, and I don't support locking up refugees - something Australian governments were doing long before Trump, btw. At the end of the day, there is no good reason why people should be privileged through an ac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/19 11:09 AM
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Fair enough! :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/19 10:31 AM
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Although I was just arguing with you in another thread, I agree with you on this stuff.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/19 07:46 AM
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Indeed. It's a stupid argument when used by racists, and it's a stupid argument when used by feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/19 07:39 AM
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Obviously I have plenty of my own objections to the current direction of the left, but I still think much of your criticism of the left is disproportionate. the idea is that owning property actually gives stakes and knowledge in what you're voting for. I don't agree that only property owners have a stake in public policy. Poor people have a stake in lots of issues including: free speech, civil liberties, freedom of and from religion, crime, working conditions, regulation, peace, non-discriminati…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/19 07:38 AM
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Yes, it does seem like r/socialism considers identity politics more important to membership than its raison d'etre. It is absurd at this point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/19 05:42 AM
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Hell I got banned from that place because a mod stalked through my post history and saw I was a MRA despite me not even bringing it up in any of my posts in that subreddit. That is one of the most disturbing aspects of this sort of groupthink. It's totally unreasonable to ban someone because of something they've said elsewhere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/19 05:39 AM
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Recidivism is such a stupid argument, because if the justice system has a bias toward detecting male perpetrators, then of course it's going to detect a higher rate of male recidivism!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/19 05:32 AM
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I'm not 100% closed-minded to white and straight movements, since I used to be opposed to men's movements and I've learned I was wrong about that. From what I've seen, white identitarian movements seem to be primarily concerned with kicking out the brown people, which I do not see as a legitimate issue. But I'm open to the possibility that there are uniquely white issues. And undeniably a white person can be disadvantaged by other factors such as being working-class, rural, incel, etc. But I'm a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/19 05:17 AM
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I must confess your response forced me to think more about some of the things I was trying to say in the Mission Statement. In such a quick list I couldn't cover every nuance, and I admit it’s possible that I’m strawmanning to some extent. I should also clarify, I don’t mean to imply that every right-winger holds every position on the list; rather I'm listing arguments I have heard from some right-wingers. I don't see this much on the "Right" Maybe not on the center-right. But the far-right (eg.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/19 02:18 PM
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I don't know about meta-analysis, but you can find a bunch of sources on this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main#wiki_1._discrimination_in_the_criminal_justice_system Elsewhere I remember seeing one study that found the gender sentencing gap goes back 300 years, but I would have to relocate that study. Traditionally rape laws specify a female victim and male perpetrator, and this is still the case in many places: https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main#wiki_4._rape_laws_excluding_ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/19 10:38 AM
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How come this announcement got upvoted to the top, whereas my announcement of r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates was almost buried?
/r/MensRights31/07/19 07:23 AM
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Maybe that might work in the short term to get progress on specific issues. But in the long term, emphasizing harms to women just reinforces the underlying lack of concern for male issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/19 06:58 AM
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A lot of the misandry the MRM talks about is especially pronounced against black men. And the left already recognizes it there. Many MRAs are already making this argument, but it doesn't seem to be getting through. Of course, the fact that the manosphere contains white-supremacists doesn't help.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/19 03:14 AM
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Fair point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/19 03:07 AM
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I think that simply the mere existence of a place like this is going to greatly help further the cause for men’s human rights and male advocacy. That is my hope!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/19 03:05 AM
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Yes, it's difficult to make them see that they're doing this though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/19 03:05 AM
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Yes, feminism's intersectionality often seems to be mere rhetoric. More intersectionality is definitely part of the solution.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/19 09:04 AM
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Well I guess there is always "What if it was your son?" For instance the only time I've seen financial abortion brought up positively outside the MRM was in relation to a mother having to fight a manipulative partner for custody. Really? What was the context of that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/19 08:56 AM
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Yes, exactly. We just have to find a way to reach those people and get them out of their feminist echo chamber. That's a big reason I created r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates - I hope someday they will come here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/19 07:55 AM
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Indeed. I think most people are apolitical, which means they effectively support the status quo by default.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/19 07:53 AM
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Reminds me of accelerationism...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/19 07:51 AM
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Hmm, interesting. This could explain why men seem to be facing so many contradictory expectations from women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 02:33 PM
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The problem isn't necessarily the number of feminists, it's the amount of power those feminists have. Which includes power in government, power in media, power in education, the power to create online hate mobs, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 02:26 PM
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What do you mean by that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 02:19 PM
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I am sorry if I confused you with someone else. There are several of you with similar usernames and you do call yourselves a collective, but perhaps I overgeneralized.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 02:03 PM
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I'm not telling people to be moderate. I'm telling people to be civil to moderates. You can't achieve anything by ostracising anyone who disagrees with paragraph 14d. "Attack" would mean things like calling people names, accusing them of being anti-male, telling them they don't belong here. Some (not necessarily all) members of the Pro-Male Collective have been doing these things. If they had merely expressed their views without doing these things then I wouldn't have had a problem with it. And …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 01:51 PM
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It would be better for it to be non-ambiguous so it's not left open to interpretation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 01:13 PM
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I'm sad to hear that, but not surprised unfortunately. I hope this subreddit can grow and build something that can start this conversation on the left.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 07:25 AM
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This reply could be a ramble, but when I have time I will probably start another thread with more thoughts on this topic. First, this section of the Mission Statement offers some relevant thoughts: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/wiki/missionstatement#wiki_where_do_we_reject_the_mainstream_political_spectrum.3F Basically, the way I see it, the problem is that men are viewed as a traditionally privileged class. And because the left opposes advocacy for traditionally privileged clas…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 07:23 AM
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The sense of justice that goads me to speak against feminism also informs my ideas of the kind of world we leave the future generations, and there are more components to that than just social politics. Exactly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 07:08 AM
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Couldn't have put it better myself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 06:45 AM
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I wish I knew how to reverse it. Unfortunately I don't have all the answers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 05:56 AM
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I'm not the OP but I doubt it. I've signed lots of online petitions over in the years on various issues, and in my experience 99% of petitions are totally ignored.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 05:35 AM
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Please don't call people nutcases.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 05:30 AM
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You might want to post this reply to me in the original thread. I may end up deleting this thread, considering it was only public because the OP didn't know how to privately message moderators.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 05:17 AM
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This thread descended into personal attacks on both sides, so I have deleted most of the later comments on both sides while trying to preserve the substantive points of disagreement. On one hand, I agree with the Pro-Male Collective's original point that male circumcision/genital mutilation is a barbaric practice, and I agree that Yang is not truly opposed to it if he is saying it's okay for religious and cultural reasons. I notice that even u/mewacketergi began by conceding "He is likely wrong"…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 05:07 AM
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Having looked into this dispute, I think there were points on both sides before it descended into personal attacks on both sides. I am not banning anyone at this time. I have deleted most of the later comments on both sides, while trying to preserve the substantive points of disagreement. On one hand, I agree with the Pro-Male Collective's original point that male circumcision/genital mutilation is a barbaric practice, and I agree that Yang is not truly opposed to it if he is saying it's okay fo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 05:05 AM
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I am looking into the situation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/19 03:59 AM
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Obviously I'm not happy that today's left is pushing things like All-Woman Shortlists, but I don't think that an is inherent in left-wing principles. This subreddit is my attempt, however small, to make it possible to criticize feminism on the left.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/19 03:03 PM
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I think we're in furious agreement on most of these points! The assumption that men truly dominated in the traditional “patriarchy” I think you read this the wrong way around. I am criticizing the belief that men truly dominated, meaning I agree that men faced some limiting roles and women had some forms of power. Fair enough on your points about intersectionality. I guess I was thinking more of far-rightists who want to align male advocacy with white identity politics, or that stupid "straight …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/19 05:20 AM
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Good to hear.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/19 11:26 AM
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Calling someone a cuck is really not a thing that happens in general society. True, but I am noticing it more and more online.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/19 11:24 AM
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I'm thinking of how postmodernism points out that not all power is hierarchical. That directly contradicts the feminist narrative that men are the oppressor class.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/19 11:21 AM
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Funny how US leaders never get charged with war crimes in the international court. It's almost like the normal rules don't apply to the world's leading empire. The US has military bases around the world including in my own country, Australia. The last time the Australian government went against the US on a major issue was in 1975, and it ended in our Prime Minister being sacked by the British queen. Hell, why do you think we're having this conversation on a platform owned by an American corporat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/19 09:01 AM
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I think Karen Straughan always leaned that way and it's just become more apparent over time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/19 08:38 AM
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Well those are just the standard arguments, so it doesn't sound like you're particularly saying anything wrong. I'll type out some possible rebuttals below but it's probably nothing groundbreaking. that there are potentially more complications for adults, that they are grateful it happened at birth instead of having to do it now, and that men who don't like it are being wimps You can point out that circumcision is incredibly painful at any age, to the point that it has traumatized medical studen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/19 07:03 AM
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I already mention those insults in the Moderation rules, but I guess I should also add it to this list.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/19 05:37 AM
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Ah I see.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/19 05:34 AM
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Yes, this also helps distance ourselves from the white nationalists as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/19 05:32 AM
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And TBH I have the opposite problem from what you claim. Whenever I bring up men's issues IRL, people dismiss me as antifa or an extreme leftist. Really? I have never encountered that when talking about men's issues. What kind of people are saying that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/19 05:29 AM
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It's notable that the victims say it was part of a broader pattern of domestic abuse but they didn't report the sexual part. That suggests it's more common than statistics show.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/19 06:51 PM
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Is this particularly related to male issues?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/19 06:42 PM
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I don't have any magic bullet answers to your question, but here are a few thoughts. First of all, keep speaking up for men's rights! Yes, of course women are imperfect representatives for men’s issues, but you’re helping legitimize a conversation which hopefully will help men to speak up for ourselves. It is an unfortunate truth that women’s voices are taken more seriously on gender issues. And it’s not only other women who you have an easier time of persuading, it also may be easier for women …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/19 10:54 AM
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You're probably right. Maybe I'm just being paranoid about it. It is something I've seen happen across Reddit, but I don't really understand why.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/19 07:47 AM
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I don't know why your username has been deleted so I don't know whether you'll see any reply to this. But yeah, I agree, this is stunning hypocrisy from anyone let alone someone calling himself a MGTOW! He seems to support the status quo despite it mistreating men in all the same ways that he says China mistreats women. It makes no sense at all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/19 06:04 AM
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What a hypocrite Sam Harris is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/19 05:28 AM
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Yes, trans men are welcome. Indeed, you might add an insightful perspective as someone who used to be treated as a woman and is now treated as a man, so feel free to post about your experiences with that. I think one of the MRM's biggest mistakes has been needlessly alienating trans people through knee-jerk reactionary politics. It's a shame because trans people could have been natural allies of male advocates, due to having experienced both sides of the gender coin as well as the bigotry of TER…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/19 05:07 AM
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Thanks! It did take me weeks to fine-tune it, so I'm glad you like it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/19 04:52 AM
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I'm not sure why the OP's username has been deleted, but in any case this is interesting information. I've read elsewhere that this was also true historically in Western countries as well, and it was mainly the wealthier girls who got married at young ages. Also, the 1960s marriage age was not the traditional marriage age. Perhaps because syphilis became treatable in 1943, the 1940s and 1950s saw a spike in teen sex, and conseqeuently teen pregnancies and teen marriage: https://www.ocala.com/new…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/19 05:09 PM
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I also forgot to mention that monogamous societies also promote violence against cheaters. These days this usually means a woman being violent toward a man (here's a recent example in the news) - another way in which monogamy does not benefit men and does not necessarily promote a harmonious society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/19 04:56 PM
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For sources, see the list of citations beneath the original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/exfeminists/comments/chbjew/feminism_is_based_on_lies_here_are_the_reasons/eur8mmp/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/19 02:37 PM
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Couldn't have put it better myself!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/19 02:05 PM
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As with everything in politics, it can be viewed as a spectrum. At one end you have traditionalists who want to go back to some time in the past. At the other end (in this context) are the Pro-Male Collective, a radical men's rights group who are among the more active voices on this subreddit. They tend to call people "tradcons" for disagreeing on any issue. I agree that it's more nuanced than that. (EDIT: The Pro-Male Collective object to my characterization of them as calling people tradcons f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/19 12:25 PM
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I'm definitely in favor of a shorter work week. Our society's relentless focus on economic growth is destroying the environment anyway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/19 07:04 AM
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The trouble is that feminists - or at least the Catharine MacKinnon type - believe that all women are sexually vulnerable in the same way as when there is an obvious power imbalance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/19 07:01 AM
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Oh, you mean that the criticism of feminism should be from the perspective of men's issues, rather than just criticizing anything feminists say? I agree with you if that's what you mean. For example I am not interested in anti-feminist arguments like "modern women are whores", "women were happier as housewives", "the state shouldn't pay for abortions", "trans people are mentally ill", "feminists are Marxists/postmodernists", and many other things that have nothing to do with men's rights, men's …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/19 06:51 AM
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I agree Islam is not rationalist, irreligious, or egalitarian. But I would question whether it really denies women any agency. Certainly it denies women any formal authority, but that is not the only form of power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/19 04:21 PM
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Yes, it basically means anything can be spun as coercive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/19 02:53 PM
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This is the same sort of logic that the US military uses to downplay its civilian death toll. Any "military age man" is counted as a combatant. (Don't have time to find a source right now)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/19 02:49 PM
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Yes, it seems pretty much any sexual encounter can be spun as coercive now. It reminds me of an online witch-hunt I happened across recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emw_87oIGrU Basically a book-reviewing Youtuber named Adrian Fort has been ostracized from BookTube based on a narrative that he is a "sexual predator". His predation seems to consist of making sexual jokes to women, despite the fact that they also made sexual jokes to him, and didn't complain for years until recently they g…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/19 02:47 PM
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I know, it is absurd! I'm pretty sure a large proportion of all sexual encounters involve a compliment at some point. If she'd told him he looked good, would that have made him a rape victim?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/19 02:29 PM
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Yes, it does show a deeper problem. I think people can be argued out of that view, though, if we can make them realize they are falling prey to the same biases as feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/19 02:25 PM
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I think it is important to rebut feminist propaganda, otherwise people will just believe the only theory on offer.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/19 12:29 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/cbj3dg/a_feminist_scholarly_paper_admitting_feminists/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/19 12:03 PM
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Maybe. It is already in the Mission Statement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/19 09:59 AM
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Yes there is an irony there. I think it's a sort of deflecting mechanism - "why don't you attack those other men instead of us?" As an atheist, I myself used to think religious cultures were misogynistic, but over time I've developed a greater understanding that "patriarchy" actually places a lot of gendered obligations on men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/19 09:36 AM
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I've read this before but nice to see it again.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/19 05:54 AM
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As the creator of this subreddit, I will copy-paste the relevant sections of what I've already written in the Mission Statement. Why is a specifically left-wing male issues subreddit needed? Arguably a major factor in the recent growth of the far right is their use of men’s issues as a wedge to recruit men to less egalitarian values. Many right-wingers are adopting men’s issues talking points as ammunition against the left, without much thought about the deeper implications. But we don’t support…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/19 05:47 AM
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I think it kind of is. It's based on the feminist assumption that traditional "patriarchy" is a system designed by and for men. While it's undeniable that women lack certain rights in Islamic cultures, it's not self-evident that the overall gender system there is benefiting men. It's not usually female jihadists who are sent on suicide missions, for example. Ironically, today's far-rightists would have gotten along very well with the first-wave feminists. There are some pretty shocking lists of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/19 05:34 AM
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I'm thinking more left-leaning gender issues, but open to a certain amount of debate. It's not fully defined yet.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/19 05:20 AM
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Stable families are consistent with the open relationship model I just described. And the only way to enforce monogamy is with massive surveillance, which is already out of control in my opinion. I'm not sure how effective it is to lecture people about the unfairness of their sexual preferences, but if men are going to be lectured about it then yes women should be lectured about it too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/19 02:53 PM
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At least it's not based on dishonesty. All monogamous societies have cheaters. I understand the argument that monogamy reduces inequality in sexual success. It's one of the traditionalists' most convincing arguments, and is probably true to an extent. But I suspect much of the time, monogamy merely papered over the sexual competition that still existed. For starters not everyone got a marriage partner; for a man it often depended on his wealth, which in turn depended on the economy and his posit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/19 01:59 PM
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It is indeed pretty alarming that this got 260,000 likes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/19 12:55 PM
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Sure, but there's no inherent reason why people can't do both - ie. have a long-term open relationship supplemented by more short-term ones.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/19 12:31 PM
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Obviously the current state of affairs is not good for men, but I'm not convinced that going back to slut-shaming is a solution. Indeed I fear that would only increase the demonization of male sexuality, because the man is seen as "stealing" the woman's "honor" and so on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/19 05:42 AM
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I will be interested to hear the podcast.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/19 11:00 AM
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I'm Australian but feeling the same dilemma. I've traditionally voted Greens but in recent years they've become pretty misandrist. At the moment I don't see any hope coming from electoral politics. Creating this subreddit is my attempt to help make it possible to talk about male issues on the left.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/19 10:50 AM
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Yeah, I don't entirely see eye to eye with the people who made this video. There are too few male advocates for there to be any benefit in enforcing a party line on every little issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/19 08:30 AM
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Oh, I absolutely agree, I didn't mean to diminish any of that. I am very frustrated with the Australian government too. The domestic violence policies are written by a feminist group called Our Watch and pretty much default to assuming the man is the perpetrator. And this is a government that is right-wing on every other issue, yet another example of how feminism seems quite compatible with right-wing values.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/19 08:21 AM
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As an Australian, I notice American culture in particular seems to have an especially punitive attitude toward prisoners.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/19 07:58 AM
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I think women are much less subject to traditional dating expectations, because today's society strongly discourages men from holding women to such expectations. If a woman today does not want to cook, for example, she can find a man who doesn't expect that. And I think both the right and left have bad attitudes toward men. Yes we all know the left sees men as oppressors and fails to call out the traditional expectations placed on men, but the right is even more in favor of those traditional exp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/19 07:06 AM
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Maybe you're right, I don't know. I am no fan of religion either. I am just skeptical of this particular claim, because accusing an out-group of rape is a classic propaganda tactic which is related to the demonization of men in general.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/19 07:00 AM
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Unfortunately it's hard to find anyone. There is a massive taboo against raising male issues on the left, and when they are raised they are usually distorted to avoid offending feminists. That's kind of why I started this subreddit! One topic I hope to discuss here is how to promote these ideas to the left.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/19 06:36 AM
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I've banned him. He just cannot talk to people that way on my subreddit. That said, I am inclined to agree with his skepticism of the narrative about Muslim immigration increasing rape in Sweden. Yes, Islam preaches marital sexual duties (for both genders btw), and has a high burden of proof for rape accusations. But ultimately, sharia has the death penalty for men convicted of rape. So whatever its other faults, Islam is hardly a pro-rape ideology. The Cologne attacks were perpetrated by a crim…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/19 05:03 AM
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Whoa, I hadn't even heard that news yet.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/19 02:16 PM
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I think the second effect is ultimately the cause of most MRAs being right-wing, which leads to the first effect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/19 07:15 AM
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All of the honey badgers Anna Cherry, at least, seems more left-wing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/19 07:12 AM
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Reply #2: Yeah, I admit I can't really define what I meant by aggressive. I know I need to figure out some more defined moderation rules. To be honest, this is my first time trying to moderate a subreddit, let alone such a controversial one. I'm not sure whether I'm being too light-touch, or too heavy-handed, or veering between the two.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/19 02:29 PM
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Feminism is certainly a deeply flawed model for addressing third-world gender issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/19 02:07 PM
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Feminists get heard all the time anyway, as they are in the mainstream. That's why I say it's unrealistic to try to censor them. That is the problem, "Things feminism claims to stand for" we all know that feminist claims are worthless. How many more times will men let themselves be mislead by feminist lies and false promises? But most people do not know that, particularly people on the left. Many feminist-leaning left-wingers are well-meaning people who don't realize how feminism spins everythin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/19 10:24 AM
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Sure. I just think that blanket anti-feminist rhetoric will alienate those truly-egalitarian feminist supporters rather than persuading them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/19 10:14 AM
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I find it quite ironic that in 2008 Christina Hoff Sommers was calling for a code of conduct for how male students should treat female students. In the decade since, it is feminists who have effectively achieved that in the US, through campus rape tribunals that lack due process and are mostly applied to males. So that speech definitely reveals an overlap between traditionalism and feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/19 08:12 AM
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I don't agree. I don't think I'd support outlawing *any* political movement, hateful or otherwise. We need to hear all ideas before we can judge whether there is any grain of truth in them. The various schools of feminism advocate a complex mix of ideas, some good and some bad. It is undeniable that there exist at least some female disadvantages past and present, even if you view them as ultimately side-effects of male disposability. And as biased as feminist theory is, it has at least somewhat …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/19 07:06 AM
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I think genital mutilation is barbaric regardless of sex.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/19 03:14 AM
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How does rich men being MeToo hash tagged served the ruling class? It doesn't. That's why I said feminism is ultimately its own movement for women's interests.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/19 01:39 PM
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I think there is some truth in both perspectives. Feminism is ultimately its own movement for women's interests, but it has also served a lot of ruling-class agendas.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/19 03:53 AM
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I'm not sure what your question is meant to imply.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/19 07:17 AM
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I agree. This was a notable theme in the Gilette ad that went unnoticed by some people who criticized the rest of it. The ad's examples of positive masculinity were all about men being protectors - calling out the catcallers and whatever.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/19 03:41 AM
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Interesting point. I didn't know that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/19 03:32 AM
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The low number of female sex workers in Sweden is probably because Sweden's feminist government has made it illegal to pay them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/19 03:28 AM
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I agree with the criticism of religion, per se. I just think he's taking it too far and ignoring other factors. And though he may not explicitly advocate war, he seems to consistently play up facts that make America's wars look righteous, and ignore or downplay facts that would contradict that narrative. But I admit it's been a long time since I paid much attention to Harris, so I could be wrong.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/19 03:59 PM
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I wouldn't say cancer, but yes it is frustrating when even they won't listen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/19 02:06 PM
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The way I see it, in contexts where violence is seen as necessary, it is males who are tasked with the gender role of doing that violence. And most of that male violence is directed toward other males. Arguably this is ultimately rooted in sexual selection, with violent men tending to attract women because of their capacity for protection and stealing resources.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/19 01:37 PM
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You're welcome. :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/19 01:32 PM
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Yes, totally agree with all this. (Conscription is something I think shouldn't exist for anyone, but that Norwegian example certainly reveals the hypocrisy of many feminists!) This is why I think the natural home of male advocacy is to the left of feminism, rather than to its right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/19 01:31 PM
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I came across that pamphlet myself not long ago. It's interesting to see there was a time when it was possible to argue for such an analysis on the left. Notably, the reason why the British Labour Party was slow to support women's suffrage was because the bills being proposed would have enfranchised only upper-class women, who they feared would vote more conservatively.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/19 01:22 PM
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Good post, well-argued and well-researched. (Sorry if I sound like a teacher saying that!) The poll about young men being more likely to identify as socialist is an interesting point I hadn't heard before. It totally contradicts the claim we often hear that men are more right-wing. And I'm inclined to agree with your overall argument that the left has a blind spot on women's role in perpetuating the economic system.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/19 01:20 PM
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I considered deleting this post for violation of rule 6, as it makes a lot of generalizations without nuance or citations. However, I've decided to leave it up as it is inspiring discussion, I don't want to discourage theorizing about men's position in society, and the moderation rules are a work in progress anyway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/19 09:51 AM
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Yes that's what I was talking about. As I said, he came close to saying it but he denies that is what he meant. Interpret Harris how you want, but he seems to repeatedly push a war agenda. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does he ever mention how the US has propped up the most dangerous version of Islam (Wahaabism) by buying Saudi oil, training Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and playing Islamist groups against each other in the current war in Syria?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/19 04:07 AM
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I'm not the OP, but pretty much all of Peterson's opinions are strongly conservative, albeit wrapped in New Agey language that can make him difficult to pin down. He generally advocates preserving societal traditions, modeling behaviour on mythic archetypes including gender stereotypes, promoting religion for social control, and extreme wariness of any attempt to reduce inequality or change society unless it is done through individual self-improvement. As an atheist I agree with Harris to a poin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/19 03:37 PM
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Zizek is part of the anti-idpol left, which argues for less emphasis on identity issues such as gender, in favor of more emphasis on economic issues. If I recall correctly, Zizek has even criticized things like #MeToo. I admit, currently this is about as close as leftists get to criticizing feminism. I think there is much truth in their economic focus, but I agree with you that even they have a blind spot on male issues. They see the male breadwinner role as an economic privilege; it has not occ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/19 08:25 AM
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I think you are a bit confused about political labels. Neoliberalism refers to free-market economic policy, which is a right-wing ideology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism Progressivism tends to favor more regulation of capitalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism "SJW" refers to a set of opinions and tactics on identity politics including feminism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior Being a "neoliberal" and an "SJW" are not inherently linked, and a perso…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/19 05:33 AM
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Well that's one interpretation of egalitarianism. I was trying to sum up left-wing values in a single word, but maybe "egalitarian" is too broad. I might replace it with a better word if I can think of one.
/r/MensRights16/07/19 04:44 AM
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They're not smears because I'm not attributing those views to all right-wingers, only some right-wingers. And for the record I don't remotely trust the mainstream media.
/r/MensRights16/07/19 04:39 AM
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any "leftwing" person who came out against kangaroo courts was viciously attacked and overwhelmed And that is an example of why I am trying to create a new place for left-wing male advocates.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 03:23 PM
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The two things aren't mutually exclusive. A new subreddit with "Left Wing" in the name may help to recruit more left-wingers who then find their way to r/MensRights.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 03:20 PM
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No, I can't show you that. And that is why I am trying to create something new.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 03:17 PM
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I have tried to define my terms in the Mission Statement: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/wiki/missionstatement Yes, all political terms are disputed, and whether others will consider it "Left Wing" is ultimately out of my control. But with "Left Wing" in the title and broadly left-wing stances on non-gender issues, I hope at least some left-wingers might let their guard down a bit more.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 03:12 PM
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I was banned from menslib ages ago for criticizing feminism.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 02:57 PM
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Well, one purpose of r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates will be to figure that out in more detail. But basically, egalitarian values - the same values feminism claims to stand for. The way I see it, the problem is that men are viewed as a traditionally privileged class. And because the left opposes advocacy for traditionally privileged classes, therefore the left is currently opposed to men's rights. However, if we can convince people to question the perception of men as being a traditionally privileged cl…
/r/MensRights15/07/19 02:51 PM
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I know others have tried it here. It is clear that left-wing voices here are often drowned out, including by downvoting. This is illustrated by the fact that my original post was very nearly downvoted to oblivion, and consequently will probably not be noticed by very many people.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 02:46 PM
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You are quoting a single individual (who also posts here, by the way).
/r/MensRights15/07/19 02:41 PM
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Speaking as the creator of r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates, this new subreddit is an attempt, however small, to address the very problem you're describing. The way I see it, the problem is that men are viewed as a traditionally privileged class. And because the left opposes advocacy for traditionally privileged classes, therefore the left is currently opposed to men's rights. However, if we can convince people to question the perception of men as being a traditionally privileged class, then we might hav…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/19 02:29 PM
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I'm well aware it's not going to be easy, but I've decided to try. The way I see it, the problem is that men are viewed as a traditionally privileged class. And because the left opposes advocacy for traditionally privileged classes, therefore the left is currently opposed to men's rights. However, if we can convince people to question the perception of men as being a traditionally privileged class, then we might have a chance of convincing left-wingers.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 02:22 PM
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And how do we galvanize leftist men to break away from the misandrist mould? A community explicitly showing them it doesn't necessarily mean abandoning all their other political beliefs will probably help. And once they come to r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates, maybe they'll eventually end up at r/MensRights as well.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 01:29 PM
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I am aware of that, which is the reason why rule 6 specifies more lenience on generalizations about women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/19 12:44 PM
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One of my reasons for creating this subreddit is to find out how many silent left-leaning male advocates there are. Part of me hopes there might be more of us than it seems. And secondly to bring those people together so we might not feel quite so politically homeless.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 12:42 PM
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Anyone really. I just want to break the current taboo which associates any discussion of men's issues with "fascism". And what I said earlier about Democrat supporters might have been unfair. Most left-leaning Americans probably support the Democrats because of the two-party system, it's more the leadership that I would consider fake-left.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 12:35 PM
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Wrong, I was banned from menslib ages ago for criticizing feminism. And I have long since lost patience with any feminist subreddit.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 12:20 PM
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Wrong, I was banned from menslib ages ago for criticizing feminism.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 12:15 PM
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Sure. But I do see that left-wing voices tend to get drowned out in men's rights spaces, just due to the sheer numbers of right-wingers. The fact that my post has been downvoted very nearly to oblivion is an illustration of that.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 06:46 AM
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I'm not claiming this forum is entirely right-wing, but I think it's clear that at least the majority lean right. I'm just saying there's a need for those of us who lean more left-wing to have a space where we can congregate and discuss how to sell MRA ideas to the left.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 06:36 AM
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In the Mission Statement I list various right-wing stances which I believe are not great for men: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/wiki/missionstatement#wiki_how_do_we_differ_from_right-wing_anti-feminists.3F That said, I'm not objecting to the fact that right-wingers are raising awareness about men's issues. Nor am I accusing everyone here of being right-wing (though it looks like the majority at least lean right). I'm saying there's a need for those of us who lean more left-wing …
/r/MensRights15/07/19 06:28 AM
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Good post, you make some interesting points. I agree with you that when men have spoken historically they were often not speaking from a particularly "male perspective". Unfortunately I think we kind of do need to engage in the "victim competition", since that's going to continue happening with or without men's input. But that certainly does easily tend in a very toxic direction. This subreddit will try and carve out something of a middle position and we'll see how it goes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/19 06:19 AM
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I think my idea is being perceived as an attack on this subreddit, when in reality it is more of a complement to it. I want to sell MRA ideas to the left. The political survey that you link to has a rather US-centric interpretation of the political spectrum which is right-shifted compared to other countries. For example the United States has no labour party. I notice a large number of members identify with the US Libertarian Party or Democratic Party, both of which would be considered center-rig…
/r/MensRights15/07/19 05:53 AM
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I can't help noticing your account is only 3 days old and every comment you post is a one-line insult.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 04:13 AM
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i don't believe that men have had the same sexual revolution as women. Men not having had a sexual revolution is a good way of putting it. Or more precisely, radical feminists hijacked the sexual revolution and made it all about women. in a boiled down version. both genders are shamed for not forming stable families that contribute and continue society. but since the whole "sexual revolution" women have been mostly freed from those expectations. while groups like MGTOW, incels and even somewhat …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/19 04:11 AM
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Hmm. Come to think of it, that would probably get a lot more attention. I didn't write the petition though, I just reposted it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/19 03:16 AM
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There's a petition against this shirt: https://www.change.org/p/amazon-stop-amazon-from-selling-the-boys-are-stupid-throw-rocks-at-them-t-shirt?signed=true Also, I hope you didn't buy this shirt to take the photo?
/r/MensRights14/07/19 01:04 PM
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I agree with u/YetAnotherCommenter. Insults can produce outward compliance, and they can be used as propaganda to convince third-party observers. But insults are often not very effective at changing the mind of the person being insulted, at least not permanently. Personally, the amount of insults dished out by feminists was one of the first things (along with more rational factors) that pushed me away from feminism. Also just a heads up: emasculating insults are against the rules of this subredd…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/19 12:54 PM
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Well, I agree with all of your gender points! I'm not sure yet how heavy the moderation will be. On the one hand I want to carve out a new niche in the gender debate that is worthy of the name "Left Wing Male Advocate", but on the other I want to foster discussion. I've also considered a flair system as a way to include people who may not entirely fit the description of "Left Wing Male Advocate". But I'm not sure if that's a good idea, as making people label themselves has its own problems.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/19 12:33 PM
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I have not figured out some of those issues myself, so I am not in the best position to give advice! And it's hard to know what resources to recommend. Of course I'm broadly aware of the redpill/pickup-artist advice etc, but I'm never sure how much of their advice to take seriously because of the ideological baggage. I can only think of a handful of left-wingers who offer advice to a similar level of specificity, and I'm not sure whether to recommend them either. That said, this community's hori…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/19 10:44 AM
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At this stage all I can really say is "we'll see". The boundaries of this subreddit are not well-defined yet. Right now I'm trying to attract interested people, and then we'll see what ideological differences/tensions there are among us and whether we can get along. We'll see how it, well, evolves. I get that gender roles evolved for survival, but I don't agree that justifies their continuation in the modern world where (barring ecological collapse) we are living in different circumstances. And …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/19 08:43 AM
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I haven't yet decided how heavy-handed the moderation will be; it will be a matter of learning by doing. But in principle I agree with you about being trans-inclusive. I have already mentioned this in the Mission Statement and will consider working your examples into the moderation policy. I think one of the MRM's biggest mistakes has been needlessly alienating trans people through knee-jerk reactionary politics. It's a shame because trans people could have been natural allies of male advocates,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/19 06:00 AM
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I think male in-group bullying is just that, bullying. Males aren’t the demons we’re sometimes painted as, but we’re not angels either and certainly not toward other males. Before puberty, bullying does not (at least consciously) have anything to do with the victim’s sexual success. After puberty, bullying is if anything intended to decrease the victim’s sexual success. And I would say the same about women bullying other women. What you say does have some truth in the context of the manosphere –…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/19 04:56 AM
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As the creator of r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates, I have already outlined many of my stances in the Mission Statement: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/wiki/missionstatement Note that the Mission Statement is preliminary, so feel free to offer feedback on it. I also second u/HeForeverBleed's comment in this thread. As for how heavily the subreddit will be moderated, I think that will be a matter of learning by doing. Currently I am a bit torn between fostering open discussion and creating…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/19 04:53 AM
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The Mission Statement has a list of male issues, to which I have just added a couple of things mentioned here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/wiki/missionstatement#wiki_what_do_we_mean_by_male_issues.3F
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/19 03:44 AM
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Don't worry, I definitely won't let that happen here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/19 05:40 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/wiki/moderationpolicy#wiki_avoid_personal_attacks_on_other_users
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/19 05:39 PM
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I haven't fully decided yet how much the subreddit will be moderated - I've written a preliminary set of rules, but it will be a matter of learning by doing. But yes, my goal is probably somewhere between r/mensrights and r/menslib. As for feminist-bashing, I agree that we shouldn't knee-jerk against everything feminists say. Of course we should always consider whether someone has a point. As the sidebar says: "We have no objection to the genuinely egalitarian aspects of feminism, but we will cr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/19 04:59 PM
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I think that would be a good topic for the subreddit. I personally cannot claim to have any answers on it, but perhaps you and others will have more to contribute on the subject. I have never agreed with the school of thought that a men's movement should focus only on "rights issues" and ignore dating issues. It's important to keep men safe from abuse and exploitation in relationships with women, and to warn men about those dangers, but realistically I think most men (including myself) will cont…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/19 04:14 PM
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Wait, Betty Friedan?! I've never heard that before! Where did you get that from?
/r/MensRights13/07/19 05:25 AM
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Reminds me of this video from Lexi Belle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r59I4jz1RAo
/r/MensRights12/07/19 02:32 PM
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I admit it might just be porn banter... or it might be a brag that can be plausibly denied as such. Sometimes people casually confess to things "sarcastically" because nobody will believe they would just blurt out something so audacious - and as Belle says, most people won't believe a woman would do that. And it is true that Belle is known for her very affected "cute young girl" persona, so perhaps we should take it seriously when she says it enables her to get away with crimes. And it had nothi…
/r/PussyPass01/05/18 01:36 PM
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But it had nothing to do with the "story", it came out of nowhere.
/r/PussyPass01/05/18 01:30 PM
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Ok. We could start by typing her name into search engines (ie. Google etc) to find her most popular videos/interviews/sites/whatever, and post it wherever there's a comment function.
/r/PussyPass01/05/18 11:31 AM
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Okay, here's the edited video: https://youtu.be/r59I4jz1RAo Where are you suggesting we post it?
/r/PussyPass01/05/18 11:09 AM
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She does have a very affected "cute young girl" porn persona, so that much is true. And sometimes people do casually confess to things "sarcastically" because nobody will believe they would just blurt out something so audacious. Either way, a man wouldn't have got away with it.
/r/PussyPass01/05/18 10:54 AM
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It is in a getting-to-know-you section of the video where they are bantering. The number "130" is obviously not a factual statement, because Lexi copies it from the amateur male performer who had just claimed he'd had sex with 130 girls. So 130 in this context just means "a large number". But other than that, Lexi's remark comes out of nowhere. And regardless of context, it is an unusual remark for anyone to make. I've never heard any male pornstar say such a thing. It could be an edgy joke, or …
/r/PussyPass01/05/18 09:59 AM
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You mean link to the timestamp in the video? I'm not sure how to do that. Maybe someone should edit the video, cut out the porn part to make it easier to spread. I suppose I could do that, but I don't have much of a social network to spread it through, that's why I posted it here.
/r/PussyPass01/05/18 09:02 AM
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Well, in this case I'm sort of advocating for possible female victims. When double standards allow women to get away with potentially abusive behaviour, they can harm other women as well as men.
/r/PussyPass01/05/18 08:51 AM
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What do you think the reaction would have been if a male porn star had said this?
/r/PussyPass01/05/18 12:34 AM
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As I said, it's difficult to know. I'm just making the point that if she was male, there would have been more of a reaction.
/r/PussyPass01/05/18 12:33 AM
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