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Fundamentalsshaggy2gay/r/seduction10/12/21 04:41 AM
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Inner Game shaggy2gay/r/seduction05/05/21 05:40 PM
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Lifestyleshaggy2gay/r/seduction06/01/22 07:10 AM
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From another elderly pickup guy: good post, hope it scrapes a few cobwebs from some of these dudes' brains.
/r/seduction14/06/23 03:53 PM
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I would go for mid thirties and up. I cleaned up with the milfs when I was in my early twenties. It was easy for me because I've always been attracted to older women. They are much easier to seduce as long as you're not a complete idiot. They just want you to try, and to not do anything to outright embarrass them. They don't expect you to have good game.
/r/seduction12/04/22 05:08 AM
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Your face doesn't really matter for shit in the bigger picture. Learn cold approach. The guys I know who get the most girls look like mutants. Also, might as well use the babyface to your advantage while you still have it. I would aim for cougar types. Just be sort of forward and endearing and they will fuck you as long as you have an appropriate amount of persistence.
/r/seduction11/04/22 11:59 PM
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Friendly advice based on long experience: stop wasting energy fantasizing about what seduction should be like and start investing energy in learning pickup's hard lessons and getting the results you want. Trying to insist that women should output pussy after a set input of time and effort on your part, like vending machines, is like trying to insist that cars should be able to fly. Keep your eye on the prize, do what needs to be done. If you don't like talking to dumb club girls, do daygame. But…
/r/seduction11/04/22 11:47 PM
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A time traveler from 1995! Welcome! You are going to love the Blade movies!
/r/seduction11/04/22 05:29 PM
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Cold approach in daytime locations like malls, coffee shops, etc. Pickup done in not-bars-or-clubs.
/r/seduction11/04/22 06:14 AM
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Hard / impossible to distill the skill of cold approach down to one discrete soundbyte that fits in a reddit comment. Look up vids from credible instructors, Todd V and James Marshall are the two best.
/r/seduction11/04/22 04:34 AM
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Cold approach is king and daygame is king of kings.
/r/seduction11/04/22 03:34 AM
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why are you on the warpath in this thread to discredit cold approach
/r/seduction11/04/22 03:34 AM
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It's worth a shot. I legit have no idea how well it will work. Give yourself the advantage of still doing warm opens on the women who stop to listen to you. Double powerup if you have a dog with you.
/r/seduction11/04/22 03:09 AM
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Maybe someone has already said this, sorry if redundant. There's probably something subtle going on that's a "tell" to these women. I am guessing that you're a little too solicitous, a little too available. The whole "be an aloof bad boy" thing is not great advice but "don't come across as not valuing your time / overvaluing her company" is. The fact that you're willing to drive four hours to meet this woman is an automatic red flag for her. I don't see a scenario in which you could do that and …
/r/seduction11/04/22 12:50 AM
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Agreed. They were already starting to get too high on their own supply by the time the scandal hit. But their vids from 2011-2015 were probably the best pua content ever created
/r/seduction10/04/22 04:09 PM
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I have felt this way and it's impossible to tell how much of that feeling is authentic and how much is response to cultural training. We all grew up with this narrative of the empty-souled player so no wonder our sense of self tracks to it. I, too, would prefer to live out the rest of my days fucking one woman who I love and who loves me back. Seeing as how that is apparently as easily attained as video of bigfoot, I am still going to fuck women I'm attracted to on a short term basis as those op…
/r/seduction10/04/22 05:27 AM
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Todd V gets more pussy than 99.9999999% of male models and bodybuilders, listen to whatever he says
/r/seduction10/04/22 05:10 AM
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I didn't keep a spreadsheet during the glory days of Tinder and now I wish I had.
/r/seduction07/04/22 03:03 AM
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Yes. Expect rejection but don't embrace it. Try to do it right, don't revel in failure.
/r/seduction06/04/22 08:20 AM
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Or you can go on a date with her and fuck her.
/r/seduction05/04/22 08:59 PM
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Drop the smiley, go full Boomer, join me in Valhalla.
/r/seduction05/04/22 05:11 AM
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Doesn't matter, no is no.
/r/seduction05/04/22 03:33 AM
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Fuck this, just ask her out, dude. Being direct and going after what you want is attractive. Live in the now, not in the hypothetical ten years from now when you're jacked and rich and have a different face.
/r/seduction05/04/22 03:31 AM
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Gather your nuts and ask directly. None of this "lurk around for ten years and ingratiate yourself through some dumbass master plan 3D chess thing" nonsense. Be willing to take the L of not going there anymore or having it be weird if you do, if she says no. Don't try to do any cute shit. Tell her you like her.
/r/seduction05/04/22 03:26 AM
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Watch a few daygame videos and then go out and do it nonstop until you fuck someone.
/r/seduction04/04/22 07:24 AM
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You can try DMing her but expect like a 5% chance of success. Social media and number closes in clubs mean nothing.
/r/seduction04/04/22 06:49 AM
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It means: nothing. It's an affectation that exists on the internet and in dumbass self-help books written by guys with the initials MM. Wrong way to think about it. Actual maturity is caring a lot about important things and not being overreactive to unimportant things.
/r/seduction04/04/22 06:46 AM
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Find girls who aren't insane / annoying
/r/seduction04/04/22 06:39 AM
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Sorry but there is such a thing as good PUA advice and legit experts. Just fuckin' around and being social only carries you so far.
/r/seduction04/04/22 06:36 AM
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Bootcamps are generally scams. I did one too, with RSD back in the day. It's a pickup-themed ride. You're paying a guy to tell you to go approach those girls over there. Hope it doesn't color your opinion of pickup too negatively. The real work (and real results) come from mundane practice in your actual life.
/r/seduction04/04/22 06:35 AM
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was it Melman?
/r/seduction27/03/22 09:12 AM
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This memory will be funny to you in about five years. Congrats on losing your virginity. Please do not let yourself give a shit about it not being "a special experience." You got it over with and can now have a sex life.
/r/seduction15/03/22 01:15 AM
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have you heard of this phenomenon called "metaphors"
/r/seduction12/03/22 01:05 AM
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Great decision brother.
/r/seduction28/02/22 07:55 AM
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Pickup is not big business, it's a tiny niche dominated by under a dozen guys. Very lucrative for the even smaller circle of top top dogs but the rest of them fight for table scraps. I seriously doubt even some of the better known guys are half as successful as they portray themselves. John Anthony probably hasn't bought a new coffin to sleep in for at least a hundred years. Also, you're just describing bad game. Most of the criticisms of PUA boil down to this. Guys do a horse and pony show for …
/r/seduction26/02/22 03:23 PM
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If you want to sit in the same spot all day waiting for a bite from The Best Fish For You, good luck, that's your choice. Maybe you will catch a fish. Most fishermen who try this wind up eating their own bait and then shooting up aquariums. Don't pat yourself on the back for being morally or strategically superior to the guys who want to actually learn how to fish.
/r/seduction26/02/22 03:13 PM
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I can recall dozens of occasions when it was neither of those, was somewhere in the middle, and I still fucked them thanks to my allegedly useless PUA knowledge
/r/seduction26/02/22 06:56 AM
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You're just selecting for the easiest wins. It's like telling guys to only go fishing with their biggest, loudest lure and then saying "If they're gonna bite, they're gonna bite." Yes, you will periodically catch fish and then apparently leap to the conclusion that it's not helpful to carry multiple kinds of lures to match different fish and fishing conditions.
/r/seduction26/02/22 06:52 AM
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Trust your instincts on this one OP. That's about as far as most hot women are willing to carry things, putting themselves in a position where they're relatively available to be hit on. She's probably not hell bent on talking to you, but that doesn't mean she's not interested, and she's unlikely to go much further than she already is to make it easier for you. The headphone thing isn't terribly meaningful. Get her attention and motion to take the earbuds out. Open normally.
/r/seduction17/02/22 07:39 PM
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Salute to a mother fucking real one.
/r/seduction11/02/22 10:39 PM
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this issue finally gets discussed
/r/seduction10/02/22 05:58 PM
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meet her out in person and if she's still psycho mode then yeah, move on. people are different online a lot of the time.
/r/seduction29/01/22 09:03 PM
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You have to try to actually fuck them. They secretly think you're a coward and/or not interested in them if you don't make a move.
/r/seduction29/01/22 07:48 PM
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o hai. i wish to improve your life by means of exposure to my awesomeness k thx bai
/r/seduction23/01/22 03:37 AM
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Usually works like this. Go for it, don't put down hot dice. Whatever with the gym. You can't fuck barbells. Two or three of the girls will eventually fall away and you'll be left with a solid little rotation.
/r/seduction18/01/22 03:05 AM
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I wouldn't rush to the conclusion that you're missing out on some profound depth of experience just because you do porn and have all this frivolous sex with hot chicks. From the outside it seems to me that you just have a much more fun version of the same conundrum we sexual civilians are in - trying to make do with the sex we can have in the absence of profound love. Everyone operates on this shared narrative that copious sex has to be set aside to make room for love. I dunno. I think you just …
/r/seduction16/01/22 06:38 AM
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I disagree with this, used to love them but now consider them grifter insane people. Very mixed bags.
/r/seduction10/01/22 08:30 AM
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Todd V and James Marshall are the two best. The System is a great paid product. Their free content on YouTube is still better than reading a book.
/r/seduction09/01/22 08:21 PM
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Have never read a pickup book that had all that much to offer. Including Models. Video products are superior in this area.
/r/seduction09/01/22 08:11 PM
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Just kiss the girl normal-style, like a normal-style guy who has sex.
/r/seduction09/01/22 07:09 PM
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RSD took down all of their old videos because they were scared of getting sued post-Julien Blanc scandal
/r/seduction09/01/22 02:31 AM
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Congruence. The guys who get away with it are 100% congruent with what they're saying. The guys who hesitate or question themselves even a tiny little bit are fucked. Tyler used to have a masterpiece of a video demonstrating this with some girls - thankfully it's gone forever because he's a fuck!
/r/seduction09/01/22 02:05 AM
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Yeah definitely makes sense, life is shit now so might as well give up the one good part of it voluntarily.
/r/seduction08/01/22 07:41 PM
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Don't know who Kevin Samuels was, but well put.
/r/seduction06/01/22 05:27 PM
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Overrated / dated book
/r/seduction06/01/22 03:13 AM
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This advice is probably going to get downvoted into oblivion. I encourage you to still listen to it. Are you a virgin? If you are, lose your virginity at the first legal opportunity you have, if you find the person desirable. "The First Time" gets the fairytale treatment, which does more harm than good. The sooner you start having sex, the more comfortable you will be as a sexual person, and the more success you are likely to get with women in the long term. Wanting the first time to be "special…
/r/seduction06/01/22 03:12 AM
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stats are for nerds, do cold approach
/r/seduction03/01/22 06:00 AM
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pussy is underrated
/r/seduction03/01/22 05:59 AM
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One more, and this is important: ask fewer questions. It makes them feel like they're being interviewed. You have to carry the conversation when you first meet them - you can ask a couple questions and then use the answers as a starting point to talk about whatever.
/r/seduction28/12/21 08:50 PM
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It's a good start, you should start seeing better results if you do a couple things: 1) Show intent, either on the open or shortly afterwards. Meaning, say something that conveys the message "I am talking to you because I'm attracted to you." It can be as simple as "Hey, I think you're cute, I want to meet you." 2) Offer a false time constraint. Say "I can't stay long but wanted to talk to you for a minute or two." They will be able to relax more because they know you're not going to monopolize …
/r/seduction28/12/21 08:47 PM
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This isn't cold approach. Cold approach means you open a stranger in public.
/r/seduction28/12/21 06:22 PM
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I doubt it. Easy to forget how effective peacocking is, and especially was, before everyone and their mom made fun of it.
/r/seduction28/12/21 06:12 PM
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Huh?
/r/seduction28/12/21 06:09 PM
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The infield in that show is still better than 95% of modern infield vids. MM is goofy, easily mocked, but sometimes I question how much the "natural" game that followed is actually an improvement on it.
/r/seduction23/12/21 11:02 AM
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You first
/r/seduction23/12/21 04:55 AM
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Condolences.
/r/seduction23/12/21 02:23 AM
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Probably a combination of natural game plus he's seventeen and still locked into the effortless social access of being in high school. Learn cold approach and catch up, and try to drop the resentment that it's easier for him.
/r/seduction23/12/21 02:22 AM
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"Honestly, I'm tired of pretending to be someone I'm not just to get fit. I just want to be myself and to follow my passions and have impressive gains...I don't want to lift these stupid weights. Don't you feel like this whole gym thing is extremely fake?"
/r/seduction22/12/21 05:41 PM
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If their approaches are conspicuous, that means their game is probably bad. Also, if the body language is stiff, that doesn't mean they're not exchanging contacts and fucking later. Cold approach works.
/r/seduction22/12/21 06:17 AM
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Yeah probably. It's nowhere close to half. Focusing so hard on looks is cope.
/r/seduction19/12/21 06:49 PM
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It's not what you say, it's the emotion behind what you say and how it fits into a broader context of talking like a guy who knows how to communicate with women / people in general. Pulling to hers: set up dates close to her place. If you're on top of shit and she's a certain type, she might just invite you directly. Don't directly invite yourself. At end of date, walk her to her door and ask to use her bathroom. She'll probably let you, and once you're in her place things can happen. Getting bo…
/r/seduction19/12/21 07:47 AM
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I got contact-pissed just reading about her. Tired of women going Joker mode when they're drunk. One of the reasons I mostly do daygame now.
/r/seduction19/12/21 07:34 AM
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I look much worse than I did ten years ago when I started learning pickup. And my results are better now.
/r/seduction19/12/21 07:32 AM
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Good work. Not sure why this is meant to be an own of PUA guys though. Were I in your shoes, I'd find some wallflower dudes just standing around and throw them at the dumb friend until someone stuck. Instant wing.
/r/seduction19/12/21 01:57 AM
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Looks and money don't mean nearly as much as actually having game. Learn cold approach. You'll fuck a lot and it's good for you.
/r/seduction19/12/21 01:52 AM
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Look at this noob wearing a shirt
/r/seduction18/12/21 06:25 PM
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Farmer's markets, the streets around my place, grocery stores, coffee shops. And no, that's a common fear but it's just paranoia for the most part.
/r/seduction17/12/21 07:51 PM
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Guys all have approach anxiety. All of them. If you're going to therapy just because you have AA, I would reconsider.
/r/seduction17/12/21 06:30 PM
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constantly leeches / disrupts attention, causes logistical headaches for going anywhere, and do you want to go on a date with someone holding a plastic bag full of hot turd
/r/seduction17/12/21 05:55 PM
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In descending order of preferability: - Your place - Her place - A bar within 3 blocks of your place - A park within 3 blocks of your place - A coffee shop within 3 blocks of your place - Repeat above but in reference to her place Avoid: restaurants, movie theaters, anything where you can't talk, anything where you're seated directly across from one another like it's a job interview, anything that involves pets, anything involving a human friend or friends also being present
/r/seduction17/12/21 08:39 AM
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Fulfilling my community service hours for parole.
/r/seduction17/12/21 08:33 AM
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I've done cold approach for a decade and my results make dating apps completely irrelevant.
/r/seduction17/12/21 08:30 AM
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Definitely occurred to me but I have hundreds of women telling me I'm adorable on another social media platform all the time. So I think the looks are aight. The algorithm is brutal. Way harder than it was even a couple years ago.
/r/seduction17/12/21 08:21 AM
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I paid for the full Platinum Unfuckable Loser suite on tinder and my results improved not at all, lulz. Daygame is and has always been the answer for me.
/r/seduction17/12/21 08:08 AM
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It's the notes you're not playing. The big internal adjustment is to be willing to take social risks. Meaning, you actively contribute to conversations, you state values, you have boundaries that are implied and occasionally stated. Girls can sense when you're not able to "hang" in this way. They can also tell when you're not willing to walk away, when you have too much stake in other people's acceptance of you. And then, on top of this, you should be able to explicitly state or strongly imply d…
/r/seduction16/12/21 03:20 AM
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Don't know much about Krauser but that's nonsense. His stuff is overpriced but have gotten laid many times just following his recommendations in the free content. Great dude.
/r/seduction15/12/21 07:13 PM
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listen to this geezer, he knows what he's on about
/r/seduction15/12/21 09:17 AM
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I recommend looking into a guy named James Marshall. When I started following his example my daygame results improved dramatically. He's also based in Budapest.
/r/seduction15/12/21 09:05 AM
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I can relate on a bone-deep level. What pickup instruction are you working off of? Do you have a guy?
/r/seduction14/12/21 11:40 PM
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Ah, sure, I have no problem with this. I got a different message from your original post. Possibly reader error.
/r/seduction14/12/21 11:39 PM
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I don't think we disagree at all, actually. I will just add my observation that getting success with women even in a happiness / fulfillment / ambition vacuum is a huge net positive. Going from 0 to 1 sexual prospect is the quickest way to alleviate a lot of different flavors of suffering. It's not a cheap win. And it's something that guys who are "stuck" should strive for, I would say as a higher priority than going to the gym or working on their backlog of unfinished projects.
/r/seduction14/12/21 09:56 PM
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I don't even disagree with anything that you said. What I take issue with is: "Don’t bother with seduction until you are content/fulfilled with where you are in life." This is a recipe for being stuck in scarcity and robbing yourself of opportunities to have a better life. Learning seduction and especially learning cold approach is extremely hard. Guys will stop at nothing to find excuses to avoid it. So they tell themselves that they'll get around to it after they improve XYZ aspect of their pr…
/r/seduction14/12/21 09:44 PM
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What have you been doing? Cold approach or apps? Both?
/r/seduction14/12/21 09:23 PM
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Yeah I sort of agree but also, if you find yourself on the receiving end of someone being desperate for your time and attention, it can be an "a ha" moment that translates to game. You'll wind up doing the same stuff, putting their messages on the backburner, being sort of noncommittal.
/r/seduction14/12/21 09:21 PM
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No, I'm saying that it tends to improve your mood when you fuck a woman you're attracted to. I'm also saying that this line of thinking is almost always trotted out as a way to rationalize procrastinating / cowardice.
/r/seduction14/12/21 09:17 PM
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For fair context, I only listened to about three minutes of this and looked over the videos on his channel. A couple of red flags pop out at me. - No infield footage on his channel. Meaning you're forced to just trust him when he says he's skilled with women and gets good reactions from them on his approaches. - Seems over-reliant on pleasant truisms. Very new-agey. It's great to be grounded in "heart energy" but I also know that you need at least a rudimentary grasp of outer game principles for…
/r/seduction14/12/21 07:39 AM
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No guy is consciously / deliberately pushy and needy. The fact that they're bailing on convos suggests to me that you may be exhibiting those qualities and not noticing it. I would suggest monitoring how rapidly you respond to their messages and how long they take to respond to yours. I'd also focus on using texting as just a means to get them out on a date. Be playful but have an end goal you're steering her towards. Make a plan and meet her in person ASAP.
/r/seduction14/12/21 07:30 AM
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You are 100% on the right track in your conviction that getting good at daygame is the way to go. I would cling to that intuition like the precious, lifegiving ember that it is. Protect it from all the breezes that are already blowing your way, telling you to ditch this "game" stuff and "just be yourself." I strongly encourage you to look up a guy on YouTube named James Marshall. In my hard-won judgment he's one of two people on the internet who are really qualified to give you a coherent vision…
/r/seduction14/12/21 07:24 AM
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It's either a shit test or a screening question or both. Just answer honestly and don't follow up with any explanations or excuses for the number being too low / too high.
/r/seduction14/12/21 07:16 AM
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I disagree. I've picked up some of the best girls I ever picked up when my life was in flames and I was miserable. My quality of life improved in accordance with this change in circumstances. You're just giving yourself an infinite litany of rationales for why you don't need to expose yourself to the hardship of learning seduction yet.
/r/seduction14/12/21 07:14 AM
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Things to watch: tonality, projection / volume. How the actual voice sounds is not as important.
/r/seduction14/12/21 07:11 AM
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If there's a correlation it's probably due to the fact that these guys are persistent. But I'm skeptical that there's indeed a correlation. These guys' relationships are probably proceeding in spite of these behaviors, not because of them.
/r/seduction14/12/21 07:09 AM
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Again, the cartoon version of pickup artistry that you're portraying here is bad. Yes.
/r/seduction12/12/21 11:11 PM
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It's not what you talk about, as much as how you talk about it. "Techniques" is synonymous to me with "structure." I have a structured normal conversation where I'm attempting to hit certain waypoints along the way to a seduction.
/r/seduction12/12/21 06:23 AM
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You can have poor body language, poor eye contact, poor vocal tonality and projection. You're likely giving them small tells that you're not actually confident enough to have them stop and talk to you.
/r/seduction12/12/21 06:21 AM
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The imaginary version of pickup that you made up in your head is indeed bad.
/r/seduction12/12/21 06:18 AM
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Give it a shot. I find daygame much easier.
/r/seduction11/12/21 02:26 AM
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If you take this stuff for granted as natural conversational skills then maybe you don't need to sit down and learn about it academically. Lots of guys do. It's sort of like if you grew up with a halfpipe in your backyard and thought it was pathetic that some other kids had to learn how to do a kickflip from a video or a teacher. The lingo seems goofy but describes real phenomena. Every pursuit has its own language. Just because it seems silly from the outside doesn't mean it's not useful.
/r/seduction11/12/21 02:14 AM
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No it doesn't. Your approaches were bad.
/r/seduction11/12/21 02:06 AM
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When you initiate a conversation with a stranger with speculatively romantic intent.
/r/seduction11/12/21 02:06 AM
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Congrats on the gains. If you decide to go the cold approach route you'll do better and get more girls than relying on approach invitations.
/r/seduction11/12/21 02:05 AM
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It's an old school pickup method, invented by a guy named Mystery in the early 2000s. He wrote a couple books about it. Made famous by a book called The Game.
/r/seduction11/12/21 02:04 AM
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Social circle has its merits. If you happen to be living a life where you have consistent access to a diversity of women you're attracted to, then yeah, maybe you don't -need- to cold approach in the wild to get laid or find a girlfriend. Even then, you still should. If you're totally reliant on your environment to provide you with opportunities then you're still at the mercy of circumstances you can't control. But 99.999% of guys are not in that kind of a situation and don't/won't have the skil…
/r/seduction11/12/21 02:02 AM
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When women are sitting down.
/r/seduction11/12/21 01:59 AM
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We don't actually disagree about anything. Todd is very rehearsed, calculated. He's a product of his era. He literally lived in a tent in the back yard of Project Hollywood, been around since the beginning, comes from a way different mentality. Which reads on camera as a weakness sometimes but he's like the Terminator when it comes to getting results. He's pickup artistry's Michael Jordan.
/r/seduction11/12/21 01:58 AM
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It's funny, you're actually echoing very common advice given by pickup artists. You're opening girls, leading conversations, doing DHVs (Demonstrations of Higher Value) and drawing women into your frame. You're even doing one of the most common cold read routines, telling her where you think she's from. All of which is to say, again, congrats on having natural game. Just taking it the one extra step of deliberately starting lots of these conversations in a relatively short period of time will ma…
/r/seduction11/12/21 01:54 AM
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Whoop whoop.
/r/seduction11/12/21 01:50 AM
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Strongly disagree. Cold approach is usually the shortest distance between you and whatever outcome you want.
/r/seduction10/12/21 09:06 PM
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Congrats man, sounds like you have natural game. The behaviors you describe are what pickup attempts to model. Your friends just have bad game and/or are working on poor instruction. They're the product of a strain of pickup that became popular in the mid aughts that emphasizes spam approaching and theatrics. There are better ways. There are also lots of guys with good game who do get results, unlike your friends, and because their game is good, you don't notice it.
/r/seduction10/12/21 09:03 PM
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Look up James Marshall's videos about it
/r/seduction10/12/21 08:08 PM
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I actually agree with you about the bench video. It's record setting levels of cringe. If I only saw that clip and hadn't seen him at work, in person, I might feel how you feel. The things he can do are uncanny. My admiration for his game borders on the religious. Straight up miracle worker. I will also say that long-term success is guaranteed not at all, in any context of dating, including PUA. But it's the thing that will put you in the best position to get there. The view of it as just a set …
/r/seduction10/12/21 08:07 PM
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Lots of PUA stuff is bullshit, but the best guys aren't, and have a lot to tell you about how to get over the fear. Todd V and James Marshall are the two best. Every man who isn't a sociopath feels the way you feel at first.
/r/seduction10/12/21 08:04 PM
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Do multiple approaches daily for a week straight and the pain will be cut in half.
/r/seduction10/12/21 08:03 PM
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Thanks for un-hiding my post. I respectfully disagree with your perspective. I consider cold approach a near universal good for guys of any experience level. It's as close to a one-size-fits-all solution as we have. And looking at it as merely one option among many, while technically true, sells it short. It also gives guys easy outs to think they're being "mature" by not stepping up to the challenge. I'm zealous about cold approach because I've felt every possible way about it, tried every alte…
/r/seduction10/12/21 07:57 PM
3

Consider traveling then. Also look at Todd V's stuff. He's about maximizing results per approach, vs blind spam approaching.
/r/seduction10/12/21 11:20 AM
1

They may well. They also may not. It's hard to predict. Try to find someone in your city who's also into pickup. Used to be easier but more challenging now. Or go out to popular spots and try to identify guys doing approaches.
/r/seduction10/12/21 11:19 AM
3

And Mystery Method was/is king for group approaching. Group opening fell out of vogue when RSD became popular, lost (and important) art.
/r/seduction10/12/21 10:59 AM
3

I second this. If the girl has cool friends who like you, they will sometimes actively encourage the girl to isolate with you / fuck you. I've had friends become defacto wingmen on the fly.
/r/seduction10/12/21 10:58 AM
1

Sure, pathetic, if you want to apply the term. Weak. Unequal to the challenge. BUT: - Still literal seconds away from the first approach being out of the way - Not unique - the majority of my male friends consider themselves constitutionally incapable of doing even one cold approach - Not hopeless - one such friend dragged his feet for like five years, expressing interest in pickup, going out with me, feeding me every possible rationalization under the sun for why he couldn't just take my advice…
/r/seduction10/12/21 10:56 AM
1

You know this is a copout.
/r/seduction10/12/21 10:35 AM
3

Correct, if you want the result without having to feel any discomfort, you are fucked. Anyone who promises you that you can get sexual relationships with women without experiencing anything negative is feeding you a lie, probably for personal profit. I do actually have empathy for you, which is why I'm being honest with you. Keep poisoning your soul with this "I'm exceptionally different to the point where I am physically incapable of walking up to a woman and saying hello" and keep living in to…
/r/seduction10/12/21 10:31 AM
4

Are you speaking from a basis of many, many experiences over a long period of time? Or from speculation?
/r/seduction10/12/21 10:28 AM
4

But also, legitimate respect for not offering some nonsense narrative other than "I'm being a pussy." I say this zero percent patronizingly: this already sets you more firmly on the path to big-dickéd pussy slayage than 99% of guys who have an interest in pickup.
/r/seduction10/12/21 09:37 AM
3

I can relate very much, man. I feel your exact pain. I regret to inform you that what you need isn't baby steps, it's the One Giant Step for Mankind. What you reeeeeeeaaaally need, way deep down, is to do an honest to god approach. I'm telling you something you already know. There is unfortunately no shortcut around this. And the more you look for one, the more you dig yourself into this fictitious narrative that you're somehow especially incapable of sacking up and approaching. I have extreme a…
/r/seduction10/12/21 09:35 AM
3

That's cool of you, man. Todd will get you way more girls, if you wind up giving him the benefit of the doubt.
/r/seduction10/12/21 09:18 AM
1

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-pickup-artist-too-sleazy-for-pickup-artists And also anecdotes from the RSD crew, who showed him the door for being a psycho. Which he continued to be. He also has dogshit-tier game. Like, Month 1 mastery. He's an embarrassment.
/r/seduction10/12/21 09:12 AM
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I look like an alcoholic hobbit. Appearance is important but don't use it as a rationalization for not approaching.
/r/seduction10/12/21 09:03 AM
5

JMulv is a literal rapist. I encourage you to ditch that moron.
/r/seduction10/12/21 09:01 AM
9

John Anthony is a sociopath loser tailcoat rider bitch with nothing useful to offer. I've winged with Todd multiple times, he's the most talented pickup artist on the planet, can vouch for him from extensive personal experience.
/r/seduction10/12/21 08:55 AM
4

Absolute horseshit
/r/seduction10/12/21 08:51 AM
2

Word. Sorry that we ended up in a pointless internet fight, shit gets lost in translation.
/r/seduction10/12/21 08:04 AM
3

Your efforts in daygame will pay you back many times over.
/r/seduction10/12/21 08:03 AM
9

Congrats on the approaches
/r/seduction10/12/21 08:02 AM
1

Agreed and I of course don't advocate a superficial read of the PUA material on offer. I think that an investment of time in learning from one of the really qualified guys is a better use of time than skimming over posts on the internet.
/r/seduction10/12/21 07:58 AM
0

Learn to approach groups. The dreaded Mystery Method has a lot to offer on that front.
/r/seduction10/12/21 07:56 AM
1

Maybe I missed a step. I could have misinterpreted something you said. Not trying to be combative or whatever. You seemed to assign a negative connotation to "pickup artist."
/r/seduction10/12/21 07:55 AM
1

I think the miscommunication comes from you drawing an equivalence between learning from PUAs and "wanting to be a PUA." I pose to you that all possible favorable outcomes with women are served by learning cold approach, whether "banging as many girls as you can" or finding a girlfriend. And that it's unwise to be scared off of the Best Available Knowledge about women's sexual psychology because "pickup artist" has become a scare term with baggage.
/r/seduction10/12/21 07:18 AM
11

And coffee shops. Don't sleep on seated sets.
/r/seduction10/12/21 07:06 AM
9

Farmer's markets, malls, department stores, "cool" neighborhoods with foot traffic
/r/seduction10/12/21 07:06 AM
2

I'm not being defensive. Trying to point to a disconnect I see in how you framed your objection.
/r/seduction10/12/21 07:03 AM
0

Genuinely not trying to bicker. You seemed to express major misgivings about the pickup artist terminology / learning from PUAs in general. My point is that regardless of your aims with meeting women, the best course of action is to learn from the guys who are the best at it, who know the most, who have paid the highest cost for their knowledge. For my time and money, cold approach is unavoidable if you want to learn how to be good with women. Regardless, I encourage guys to ditch their allergy …
/r/seduction10/12/21 07:01 AM
2

My skin is just fine, dude. I pose to you that your baggage with the "pickup artist" terminology is a limitation. Guys want to avoid the opprobrium of the label but yearn for the knowledge. I would encourage you to hold your nose, set aside your preconceptions of what "being a PUA" means culturally and just dive into the material. Assuming you're interested.
/r/seduction10/12/21 06:50 AM
5

Congratulations on walking the path my bru.
/r/seduction10/12/21 06:42 AM
2

So learning to approach girls is good, but PUA is bad. Seems to me you've drawn an arbitrary line in the sand.
/r/seduction10/12/21 06:41 AM
10

Nut up and do it. There's no secret.
/r/seduction10/12/21 06:40 AM
8

Amen brother.
/r/seduction10/12/21 06:39 AM
11

Yes, Todd V or James Marshall. They stand head and shoulders above anyone else.
/r/seduction10/12/21 06:39 AM
1

uh huh that's right buddy
/r/seduction10/12/21 05:22 AM
15

The rumor thing is mostly a superstition. Common sticking point for guys. Just don't do all your approaches in the same place too often. As a general rule of thumb, if you do twenty honest-effort approaches and actually go for some kind of close (instant date ideally, or a number if there's some mitigating circumstance), you should expect about a 70% "thanks but no thanks / fuck off" rate.
/r/seduction10/12/21 05:16 AM
9

Yes breaching the social contract to express sexual intent towards a member of the opposite sex, who has a radically different psychology than you, requires zero forethought or strategy.
/r/seduction10/12/21 05:14 AM
38

Totally normal. I recommend finding a buddy and hitting a popular daytime spot like a mall or a public square. Set a doable challenge like five approaches.
/r/seduction10/12/21 04:57 AM
26

I do mostly daygame now. Very direct but highly calibrated / soft landing.
/r/seduction10/12/21 04:56 AM
35

34, and yes.
/r/seduction10/12/21 04:45 AM
12

When you try to fuck her and she doesn't want to fuck you. Go fuck ten other girls.
/r/seduction10/12/21 04:32 AM
10

Let it remain implied. Dropping that on a girl explicitly is unnecessarily heavy.
/r/seduction10/12/21 03:53 AM
2

Find a wingman or friend, hand them $200 cash, and tell them to hand you $10 back every time you do an approach. Nut up and make the actual approaching happen. Everything else is window dressing.
/r/seduction10/12/21 03:51 AM
8

What's wrong is that you're being a pussy. Knock it off, get back to approaching.
/r/seduction10/12/21 03:49 AM
5

That shit DOES NOT MATTER. Drives me insane seeing guys smugly declaring on this board that it's all that really matters. Fuck you, no it's not. Learn pickup. Learn actual game. Learn it from the qualified professionals and not armchair dipshits on Reddit.
/r/seduction10/12/21 03:47 AM
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Hot girls are boring. It probably breaks down to some stupid shit like they think you have the wrong shoes, or you said something slightly critical of Doja Cat and they're holding it against you. Just keep doing whatever you're doing. You're pulling hot girls.
/r/seduction10/12/21 03:46 AM
1

Bro you want to be in the NFL? Why even learn about football? Every game is different. Pff, fuckin tryhard, dude. Just go out on the field and be yourself.
/r/seduction10/12/21 03:44 AM
3

Sounds fine in theory. In practice the apps are run by algorithms engineered to make you feel desperate and unfuckable so you'll pay money for premium services. They USED TO be fun little social sandboxes where you could afford to make mistakes, back in like 2017. Now they're black holes of time and self-esteem and if you don't belong to the top 5% of guys you might as well just hit yourself in the nuts with a hammer. So, pay money and scramble to match maybe once or twice a day if you're lucky …
/r/seduction08/11/21 04:25 PM
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The apps are fucked, don't even bother. Learn cold approach. Specifically, learn it from either Todd V or James Marshall. Pick one and follow their advice. Any activity other than "go learn how to approach girls" is of secondary utility to you.
/r/seduction08/11/21 08:14 AM
3

I would listen to Todd V and James Marshall and ignore everyone else.
/r/seduction07/11/21 09:00 AM
2

Your conscience knows when you fuck up and how badly, and what it means. It's objecting to you robbing yourself. The guilt only goes away when you do what you know you're supposed to do. This is maybe the only time I'd ever dare to question Todd V's advice but doing "warmup" type approaches has never scratched the itch for me. And one of those warmup girls might be the one you're compatible with. In my experience, doing a real approach is always the way to go unless you're a rank newbie, like da…
/r/seduction07/11/21 07:40 AM
7

They don't want to be approached. Approach them anyway.
/r/seduction30/10/21 08:57 AM
2

Naw.
/r/seduction20/10/21 02:23 AM
2

Glad the approach worked out. I'd advise against dismissing decades' worth of PUA wisdom on the strength of one success though.
/r/seduction16/10/21 03:49 AM
3

Here's the thing - of course it's true. A hot girl fucking you means that you win. We all want to fuck hot girls, on some level need to fuck hot girls. But hot girls have an uncanny ability to sniff out this need in us and even the slightest whiff of it will knock their pussy offline. They're scanning for guys so high value that they fuck hot girls frequently enough that they can afford to walk away from their specific pussy without hesitation. So if she can tell that fucking her is going to giv…
/r/seduction06/10/21 04:43 PM
0

Ah, yeah, that's all sales copy lies. It's a symptom of pickup gurus being full of shit. The legit guys don't say stuff like that.
/r/seduction06/10/21 05:38 AM
5

I am 100% in agreement with you about 95% of this. Having sex with women / being around women you like and who like you - this is one of life's few true joys. Anybody who rolls their eyes at this notion, or tells you to "get a hobby," can fuck off. Stop just short of "I need them for validation." I understand this feeling completely and it will lose you a lot of opportunities with women. Try to minimize that feeling and where you do feel it, do everything in your power to convey with your action…
/r/seduction06/10/21 05:36 AM
1

Eh, maybe you need therapy, but what you need more is to have sex with a human woman. My recommendation for this is to go straight to the source, find the best information about meeting, attracting and fucking women that you can find. For my money (I have spent a ton of it in this area), you get this info from the top tier pickup artistry instructors. There are men who have dedicated their entire adult lives to figuring out how to explain to you the mechanics of meeting and then fucking women yo…
/r/seduction06/10/21 05:31 AM
1

Also, re: the "Edit" section - do yourself a favor and put those feelings on pause until you've actually been exposed to the best pickup info. Watch some free vids from Todd and/or James Marshall on youtube and see if you're still ready to condemn PUA.
/r/seduction06/10/21 05:23 AM
6

I've spent a shitload of money on pickup products. "The System" by Todd V is extremely worth the money. Best cold approach product ever made that I'm aware of. Costs about three hundred. A big chunk of money but nowhere near as expensive as a bootcamp, and will give you better long-term results if you actually apply it. Todd's for real, I spent a lot of time with him out at clubs in Vegas. His skills verge on the magical.
/r/seduction06/10/21 05:22 AM
7

Fastest route from point A (kissless virgin) to point B (dick in pussy): Enormous blunt force cold approach effort. Daygame, nightgame, whatever. Do like 20 approaches a day. Do this for a month. This isn't extreme, it's the minimum. Expect the universe to open its big dilated asshole and take a diarrhea shit right into your soul. Expect women to be indifferent and cruel towards you. Also expect a small percentage of your approaches to go well. Girls will give you numbers. Girls will go on dates…
/r/seduction05/10/21 08:01 PM
3

let the nut guide you my friend
/r/seduction11/09/21 01:26 AM
4

out, out, get out, get out of there, out
/r/seduction10/09/21 07:59 AM
2

Look anyone who tries to boil game down to simple bromides doesn't know what they're talking about. Game advice is confusing because game is confusing, because women are confusing. You're wondering how to build a space shuttle in your back yard and you're pissed off that you have to learn a bunch of shit to do it. I relate, I share your frustration. There's no way out but through. My advice is: ignore the opinions of almost everyone who hasn't staked their public reputation on teaching game. Of …
/r/seduction10/09/21 07:22 AM
4

Attractive skills for men: Drive car suicidally/homicidally fast Be DJ Sell cocaine Wear stupid hat Read book about being business and doing hustle Own boat Drive boat suicidally/homicidally fast
/r/seduction07/09/21 12:19 AM
2

"whatever took you out of my life, come find me when it passes" is a double platinum line. Salute to you. Also, are you Delicious Tacos
/r/seduction03/09/21 01:10 AM
4

My quick two cents - people love to pat themselves on the back for disregarding PUA. If you want to take the much longer, much harder road to getting what you want, listen to all the softball advice about reading Models and asking people the time. If you're serious, watch videos from either Todd V or James Marshall, pick the one you resonate with more, and do what they recommend.
/r/seduction26/06/21 07:45 PM
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Dating advice is 95% horseshit. Most of it comes from people who are limited by some agenda or are tailoring a message for a certain demographic. Most of it also comes from amateurs and keyboardists who don't have the pedigree to be telling others what to do. Look for advice that isn't overly simplistic and seems to be based on real life experience. "Bro it's simple just get a haircut and be chill" type advice can be ignored completely.
/r/seduction19/06/21 05:08 PM
15

Lots of girls will make out with multiple guys in a venue as "part of the fun of the night." You are the human equivalent of a sparkler or novelty mustache wand to them. You probably were never going to fuck them. The ones who are actually interested in you will become turned off if they sense you consider the kiss a victory of some kind. Or if you get too carried away with it. Use it as a spice. It's not the endgame. Nor is it an essential part of getting the lay. If it happens it happens.
/r/seduction19/06/21 05:03 PM
2

Expect this shit as a rule, not as an exception. They're justified in being defensive, but also a lot of them take vindictive pleasure in treating you like a worm.
/r/seduction17/06/21 10:42 PM
16

Isn't this a seduction board?
/r/seduction17/06/21 10:39 PM
2

You fools, it's not the red herring thing you're all obsessing over. It's this OTHER red herring thing that's almost the exact same thing.
/r/seduction12/06/21 06:50 PM
5

They shouldn't react like that but you're probably wearing something way off to get that kind of reaction. Or maybe french-canadian girls are just mean as shit.
/r/seduction12/06/21 05:17 AM
1

Either seriously commit to approaching when you're out or don't bother. Consider doing daygame instead.
/r/seduction12/06/21 04:32 AM
1

Here's how to be the best fuck of his life: Do all the heavy lifting for him. If you don't think it'll scare him off, just tell him explicitly that you invited him over to fuck you, that his work is already done, and he can relax. Initiate if he hesitates or is bashful. Loosen him up. Suck his dick without being asked to. Make him feel that he is hot. Seek to please with no expectation of being pleased. Whatever he does, if it doesn't cross a moral line, tell him you like it. If he cums early, y…
/r/seduction11/06/21 10:38 PM
1

Do something huge. Every time I've done 20 daygame approaches in one day I've gotten laid from it. Starting a challenge tomorrow to do 75 daygame approaches in a week. Give yourself big momentum
/r/seduction11/06/21 08:23 PM
2

Do not get plastic surgery in order to fuck more girls. Physical attractiveness is a much lower priority than skill in cold approaching and having a good sense of social dynamics.
/r/seduction11/06/21 08:18 PM
1

Take the pain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df9BZMmmB9c
/r/seduction11/06/21 08:14 PM
0

Not to be too big of a dickrider for Todd, but I've spent a substantial amount of time infield with him and he has the magic touch. Rarely saw him get rejected. Often saw him pull hot girls out of clubs within twenty minutes of the initial approach.
/r/seduction10/06/21 06:21 PM
13

It's a dick thing to say, but it's also a frame test, and it seems like you passed. Do not let it get under your skin / bring it up again unless she does.
/r/seduction03/06/21 12:43 AM
3

Not a small victory. Big victory. Your penis has grown to twice its normal size. Congratulations anon.
/r/seduction03/06/21 12:32 AM
-2

Approach anyway. Don't wait for approach invites like some people are suggesting (look for eye contact, etc). Yes, sometimes it's weird and you annoy them. Other times you have sex with them.
/r/seduction01/06/21 06:50 PM
12

Same thing happened to me when I started dressing nicer. I think it's mostly the fact that you're making an effort.
/r/seduction29/05/21 06:13 PM
1

Just stop fucking around and jerking off inside your own brain and do an approach.
/r/seduction29/05/21 05:19 AM
1

I felt like this for a long time. Was an RSD power user for years. I have two pieces of advice for you, based on real experience: focus on daygame instead of night game, and find gurus other than Tyler, because for all his moments of genius, he's sort of a retard. Todd V is a superior PUA and teacher. So is James Marshall. Marshall especially does a form of game that won't make you feel sleazy. Still do game, but don't run routines like the RSD guys did (even though they claimed they didn't).
/r/seduction29/05/21 05:18 AM
1

Models is okay but overly simplistic. The best approach style depends on your experience level. If you're very experienced, "mixed signals" will bring you better results, it leaves more questions unanswered and makes the women invest more. If you're relatively new or just want to keep things simple, very direct openers like "I think you're attractive and want to meet you" can carry you a long way.
/r/seduction29/05/21 05:12 AM
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This is really solid, it's still on. Move to snap or get her to text you. Get her to say yes to the premise of meeting up, but don't go for specific plans until she does say yes to meeting you in person. You're good.
/r/seduction29/05/21 05:03 AM
3

Sooner than later tell her you're into her and want to hang out with her. Be direct.
/r/seduction29/05/21 05:00 AM
1

You did something upright and courageous and you should feel better about yourself on a permanent basis for having done it.
/r/seduction29/05/21 04:58 AM
2

Actually, it's fine, and OP should keep doing it.
/r/seduction29/05/21 04:57 AM
2

The number is high but not that high.
/r/seduction21/05/21 07:24 AM
21

If you wait for approach invitations you'll miss out on a massive proportion of opportunities.
/r/seduction18/05/21 04:02 PM
1

Grats on the young girlfriends, much respect. The thrust of the post was how it's a bad idea to be overly invested in other people's opinions about pickup because they're invariably negative. I agree with you on all counts. I'm too bludgeoned by rejection to feel it as deeply as I used to but I definitely still feel it. Having a smoking hot girl stare me down with a scowl of wordless contempt just because I said "hello" is never going to not mess with me on some level. Maybe I'm a big pussy. I a…
/r/seduction07/05/21 06:26 AM
1

Interesting. The jacket thing is a funny (but good) strategy. I would propose to you that your belief that business dress disqualifies you from daygame approaching is a limiting belief. But if you don't need daygame to get results then it's certainly not mandatory.
/r/seduction06/05/21 05:41 PM
3

Yes. Women are receptive to being approached anywhere if you're good at approaching them.
/r/seduction06/05/21 03:39 PM
1

Interesting perspective, I would love to hear a breakdown of what you consider IOIs. If you're relying on approach invitations, though, you're missing a ton of opportunities. A woman power walking down the street looking at her phone is no longer a viable option if you're only warm approaching.
/r/seduction06/05/21 03:38 PM
1

Todd V and James Marshall are the two best guys in pickup generally and both have excellent daygame content. James Tusk and Honest Signalz are also competent.
/r/seduction06/05/21 03:35 PM
2

Thanks dude. Good luck, hope you like them as much as I do.
/r/seduction06/05/21 05:42 AM
2

An addendum: There are a couple other guys I think are ok. Most of the daygame guys are "fine." James Tusk and Honest Signalz are competent and not frauds. But the rest of it is basically a wash. The majority of pickup gurus are parroting stuff RSD came up with and/or having obsessive pissing contests with each other over who's the biggest pimp. Most of them are straight up morons and should be ignored.
/r/seduction06/05/21 05:06 AM
3

Yes. Two guys stand way, way, way out. Todd V and James Marshall. Todd has the best game of anyone I've ever encountered. I've seen him work up close many times and it almost can't be described. It's like he has magic powers. He had this ability to show up to a venue, do just a couple approaches, and leave with one of the hottest girls there in under half an hour. His mastery of pickup on a skills level is absolutely peerless. His product The System is the best pickup training course ever made. …
/r/seduction06/05/21 05:02 AM
2

You're right on the count that I don't know what it's like to have a conspicuous physical condition like how you describe yourself. Like I said, getting results from cold approach or any form of dating is / is going to be unfairly more of a challenge for you than for other guys. I know from talking to credible pro cold approach coaches that it does happen. I've heard them talk about getting guys in wheelchairs laid, as well as guys who are in their seventies. I also know that 200 approaches subj…
/r/seduction06/05/21 03:49 AM
1

I hear you. I'm sure it causes extreme pain and frustration. One nice thing about cold approach is that the initial learning period is way, way, way harder than the intermediate stages. Which means if you keep pushing it will get easier. I'm sure it's nigh on impossible to have faith in the process when you're getting no results. I'd recommend trying a different strategy than whatever you've been using. If you've been doing indirect, try direct, or vice-versa. Avail yourself of good information,…
/r/seduction06/05/21 03:28 AM
1

Well, most ugly guys also believe that ugliness equals unfuckability, so they joke about it to take the sting out. I can tell you from lots of personal experience gaming with different guys that physical attractiveness and height are not the most important factors determining how girls see guys. It's not even close. Ugliness and even conditions like you have can be overcome by displaying other positive traits that are fully within your control. If you're able to hold a conversation then it's ent…
/r/seduction06/05/21 03:18 AM
1

Ugly guys fuck all the time. What are your disfigurements? Unless your asshole is on your forehead there is probably hope.
/r/seduction06/05/21 02:39 AM
5

Keep choosing to wallow in this sad, bitchmade view of seduction and keep choosing to be miserable.
/r/seduction06/05/21 02:30 AM
4

I'm 5'8, out of shape, I have perpetual dark bags under my eyes - I look like a hobbit halfway through his transformation into a gollum. And I fuck girls way out of my league off of cold approach consistently.
/r/seduction06/05/21 02:19 AM
1

Also, seconded on books. There's never been a good instructional book written about pickup.
/r/seduction06/05/21 02:05 AM
1

I'm shocked how many people on this sub know literally nothing about pickup. Someone asked me what "PUA" means today. It's still better than RSDNation.
/r/seduction06/05/21 02:04 AM
1

Learn from these two specific men: Todd V, James Marshall. Both have YouTube channels. Ignore everyone else.
/r/seduction06/05/21 01:55 AM
2

shut da fuq up
/r/seduction06/05/21 01:55 AM
29

Daygame. Daygame daygame daygame. I'm 33, it works. Farmer's markets, grocery stores, da streets, wherever.
/r/seduction06/05/21 01:54 AM
1

lol
/r/seduction06/05/21 01:51 AM
1

Because it's badly written, with a bad philosophy, and encourages people to behave badly.
/r/seduction05/05/21 11:15 PM
2

Obviously matters but it's not the most important thing. Not even close.
/r/seduction05/05/21 11:12 PM
4

It's tough to talk about RSD's merits objectively, because a lot of what I learned from them I probably just take for granted now. But on the whole, yes, I think their methodology was seriously flawed. It was a barrier to improvement, because it focuses you on the wrong metrics for improvement. All this inner game woo woo bullshit that doesn't actually stack up to results. I dunno, I could write a novel length post about RSD. The nutshell is that they peaked in 2013 and progressively lost bandwi…
/r/seduction05/05/21 07:56 PM
9

I disagree, competition is steeper at bars, there are more confounding environmental variables, more can go wrong, and their defenses are up higher. Your daygame results are likely poor because your openers are void of intent. Try going direct. "Hi, I think you're cute, my name is ____, what's your name" is a good place to start.
/r/seduction05/05/21 06:18 PM
3

I do daygame almost exclusively. Streets, farmer's markets, malls.
/r/seduction05/05/21 06:00 PM
1

My end goal these days is to fuck hot women.
/r/seduction05/05/21 05:55 PM
1

Bad book that makes one good point: that most people see you as a supporting cast member in the drama of their life as Earth's protagonist.
/r/seduction05/05/21 05:46 PM
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The conscientious ones do admire it. The smart ones, the nice ones, the humble ones. Don't expect a parade though. Be ready to have a big chunk of the women you approach treat you like you were lunging at them with a dog turd on a stick. You have to grin and bear that pain as part of the process.
/r/seduction27/04/21 06:17 AM
2

Whatever you say player.
/r/seduction16/04/21 06:00 PM
1

Good work, dogg.
/r/seduction16/04/21 01:16 AM
3

Yes and no. Yes because the more women you sleep with, the more you know you're missing out on if you lock into a monogamous relationship. No because you need to be skilled with women in order to not fuck up prime girlfriend prospects when they arise by being a weird needy dork.
/r/seduction16/04/21 12:43 AM
2

Learn daygame and probably don't even bother with the girls you go to school with. Look up a guy named James Tusk on YouTube. Solid daygamer based in London.
/r/seduction16/04/21 12:38 AM
1

Yes, happens to everyone. I used to be Captain Oneitis. I have the opposite problem now. Just keep dating other people and getting experience.
/r/seduction16/04/21 12:36 AM
1

I agree. Texting is an intermediate stage between number closing and meeting IRL. Get from point A to point B with minimal delay.
/r/seduction16/04/21 12:34 AM
1

Two paths lay ahead of you. One leads to lots of pussy. The other one leads even farther up your own ass. The choice is yours.
/r/seduction16/04/21 12:32 AM
5

Disagree pretty strongly. Pickup has perhaps drifted too far from the halcyon days of Mystery Method. If you don't think that your behavior can cause a woman to become attracted to you over time, then you're doomed to run on this hamster wheel of spam approaching (or, more likely, talking yourself out of approaching at all) forever. A woman that likes you from the jump is easier to pick up. Yes. A woman who's indifferent or ambivalent towards you can also be picked up if you do the right things …
/r/seduction16/04/21 12:29 AM
2

I just remember it being this long screed about "cut out all the GAMES, just be SINCERE, bro!! Tell her how you FEEL bro! Be vulnerable!" Overly simplistic and overly moralistic view of seduction that handwaves the importance of outer game.
/r/seduction15/04/21 06:24 AM
2

I'm an out of shape 33 year old soyboy who makes less than a schoolteacher and I have a lay count that I've had to learn to lie about to most of my friends because they can't cope with how high it is. I've also read philosophy, literature, history, economics and poetry. Nobody cares. Certainly not girls. Oh whoa dude, you've read Plato's Republic? Fuck me right in the pussy! The reason your dating life sucks is because you're not cold approaching enough. And/or doing it with poor guidance.
/r/seduction15/04/21 12:14 AM
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The only way I can think to do this is to genuinely be a very "physical" person. Meaning you're able to hug her, touch her and bob in and out of her personal space in a way that is fully proficient. Hard to fake. "Indirect" is, to my mind, a euphemism for "smooth." Putting a hand on her leg, if you do it in a non creepy way, is good. Putting a hand on her leg in a way that ties into your verbal game, so the amount of direct intent shown is modulated, is better, and more attractive.
/r/seduction15/04/21 12:07 AM
4

My advice as a grizzled old PUA guy who's been doing this forever: Yes, it's worth it. No, it doesn't make you eternally happy but you get to have sex. Life with sex in it is better than life without sex in it. Anyone who claims otherwise is stunting. Here's the fast track to dates and sex: Learn enough about daygame to get started and then start. Hit it hard. There is no better way to do this. There's a huge emphasis on night game in this community because of historical precedent but IMHO dayga…
/r/seduction14/04/21 11:58 PM
3

Todd is a magician. Saw him work up close, in person, many times. Borderline miracle worker.
/r/seduction14/04/21 11:43 PM
1

Unfortunately there aren't any truly great pickup books. I've read most of them. They're either dated or incomplete. Disagree with a lot of people here about Models, found it overly sentimental and not totally accurate. The best pickup info lives in video form. Todd V is the shit. So is James Marshall. Everyone else is secondary in my eyes.
/r/seduction14/04/21 11:41 PM
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Don't beat yourself up, you're in a great situation of having all the time in the world. And keep in mind - most guys are going to pat you on the back for avoiding studying seduction because they're terrified of it too. And we all, deep down, want to believe that The One is going to spill their coffee on our book at a coffeeshop someday and it'll all just work itself out.
/r/seduction12/04/21 05:07 PM
1

Do 200 honest effort daygame approaches and then take inventory again.
/r/seduction12/04/21 05:03 PM
13

Yes, you are missing out. And the fact that you're asking this question on a seduction board suggests to me you already knew that answer. I offer you my perspective from a place of experience and wanting to save you some pain. I was in basically your exact shoes - a virgin in my second year of college who was sort of discombobulated by the wild west social norms of being that age. I wanted my first time to be special in the same way you do. I wanted life to look like a romcom. I wanted to find "…
/r/seduction12/04/21 04:58 PM
3

I was deep in RSD for years. Todd was the best of all of them, by a big margin. Still is. Tyler was once great but it's because he was good at synthesizing the ideas of others into a coherent narrative. They're all internet marketers. Tyler and Julien have gone full blown scammer. Jeffy has settled into some kind of fuzzy sweater middle age. The rest of them were hacks. Do pickup to fuck girls. The rest is horseshit.
/r/seduction12/04/21 04:42 PM
8

I've gotten multiple dates off of cold approach during the pandemic with non-idiot women. It was dude's first cold approach. He should be proud.
/r/seduction12/04/21 04:33 PM
-4

Solid
/r/seduction12/04/21 04:28 PM
3

I'll save you a bunch of time - look up a dude named Todd Valentine and consider getting his product The System. There is no better / newb friendly pickup information anywhere.
/r/seduction02/03/21 01:37 AM
1

Your dad also lived in an America (I'm assuming) where there was still such a thing as community. People knew their neighbors, were more engaged in public life. It was easier to meet people. And pairing up often worked like pseudo-arranged marriage, with the larger social group facilitating. You can still get an okay result with girls just relying on these social ties, if you're lucky. Now that the apps are completely fucked, that's probably how the majority of guys are going to wind up finding …
/r/seduction01/03/21 09:56 PM
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