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I was never too keen on that book because it's pretty much just literary critique. You could call it, "Archetypes of seduction in popular lore." That said, people read it in different ways. If it gave you permission to be yourself, to see how the natural version of you can be seductive, that's great. Congrats.
/r/seduction14/06/11 09:17 PM
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Honestly, it's a numbers game at every level. Half of the challenge is getting yourself to approach. The other half is figuring out how to deal with getting shot down. Neither is a particularly easy thing. And without the second, the first is unsustainable. The only thing I can tell you is just do it. Sarge until you're either tired or dejected. Then tell yourself you got some good practice in, go home, and relax for the night. Repeat this process. Eventually, you grow a skin of teflon. Only, do…
/r/seduction12/06/11 05:52 PM
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I got that bitch a boner, bitches love boners.
/r/seduction31/05/11 03:44 PM
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I bow to you, sir. You've told her off for her flakiness without being spiteful. Buy this man a beer.
/r/seduction27/05/11 09:52 PM
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Dealing with a similar thing right now with a girl I met maybe a month ago. I don't ask seddit because I know the rational advice already: reduce her to background noise. Let her dissipate from your brain a bit. Go out and find another example of the 100+ girls like this you could click so well with. But I don't listen. Maybe you want to try what I'm trying: pursue it all the way, keep your expectations down to the present and be prepared to face the worst outcome at any time. I suspect it's goi…
/r/seduction27/05/11 02:24 PM
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Alpha female of the group took control and tried putting me down, saying she couldn't hear me, she didn't know what i was saying. Sorry, can everyone here hear me, except for grandma who forgot her hearing aid?
/r/seduction27/05/11 12:20 PM
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He found that the conversations were these words were used in similar frequencies tended to be the most successful, suggesting similar use of these function words helps make for a better relationship. ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER
/r/seduction27/05/11 04:29 AM
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Physically: you seem to have gotten a pretty accurate self-appraisal, which I, as a random male on the internet, am of course qualified to evaluate, though I'm not sure you're overweight so much as seem to just seem to have a broad frame. I can't really tell, but it might be that some of that weight isn't meant to come off. I'd consult with an expert before trying to make your body do something it might not do. Notwithstanding, it doesn't really matter. Body type affects the statistics of how of…
/r/seduction27/05/11 04:14 AM
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I disagree that it's a false dichotomy. I'd highly suggest reading or listening to the selfish gene as I couldn't possibly do justice to Dawkins explanation of "selfish" genes. Thanks, but I've read the book and just about every other popular book on EP that make reference to it. You're missing the element of group punishment that keeps sociopaths at nominal fractions of the population and other related subtleties. If you go around being "nice" to everyone, women are going to see that as being a…
/r/seduction26/05/11 08:15 PM
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Nope, women are looking for awesome giving guys as well. You've got a hell of a false dichotomy in there, but going on these terms: Selflessness in a "beta" way = being nice to get people to like you Selflessness in an "alpha" way = improving people's day to improve people's day. If you're a naturally giving person or think it could suit you, by all means, make people's lives better. Volunteer with the homeless, buy a shot for someone on his/her birthday, do funruns. Women are actually attracted…
/r/seduction26/05/11 07:38 PM
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Hey, if this motivates you, great! For me, it's the usual pepped up bullshit.
/r/seduction26/05/11 07:29 PM
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Spot on for technique. I differ on the theory behind it. I think it's just that it makes you: unavailable (availability always diminishes attraction; unavailability always grows it) not pursuing (nothing smothers attraction like a pursuit from a guy you're not attracted to (yet)).
/r/seduction25/05/11 06:47 PM
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I had to look it up too.
/r/seduction24/05/11 06:06 PM
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Just armchair advice here, but warm her up. Give her that moment. And ESCALATE. Start with a neck massage, handholding, footsie, etc... and turn it up slowly. The gateway from kissing to horniness and sex is the nape of the neck. Now, if you can't even do these preliminary activities with her, with all due respect, what the fuck makes you think she's your girlfriend? You can't start a fire on a wet blanket.
/r/seduction24/05/11 03:55 PM
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She's what people here would call a VC TIL VC = "Victim Chick", not Vietcong.
/r/seduction24/05/11 03:48 PM
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Excellent post: pay no attention to what she says and every attention to what she does.
/r/seduction23/05/11 03:39 PM
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Oh man, you should see the Tom Cruise deleted scene. But yup, basically Tom Cruise's character is a seriously twisted misogynist whose self-help consists of open emotional manipulation.
/r/seduction20/05/11 03:12 PM
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THIS. The readers of this subreddit I'm betting err far more on the side of risk aversion and armchair analysis than of failing "too much" in the field. If you want to get good at tennis, you don't read books about playing tennis, you don't watch movies about playing tennis, you don't stop to ask advice between each shot - you fucking sign up and start swinging a racquet on the court. It's tough but the harder the setback, the more you learn about yourself.
/r/seduction20/05/11 03:07 PM
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This post is: A repost Not relevant Entertainment I subscribe to /r/seduction to talk about picking up girls. Do we need a separate subreddit for you guys?
/r/seduction20/05/11 02:45 PM
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Dude, for fat guys that have their inner game together, there's a whole fun-loving role in our culture. Also, ever heard of this guy? Stop giving yourself irrelevant excuses and just try. If losing weight makes you feel good, go for it, but it's only relevant for that much.
/r/seduction20/05/11 12:13 PM
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= "Hey, got your call but didn't want to bother with the whole phone conversation thing. What's up?"
/r/seduction19/05/11 07:59 PM
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How long should I wait? As long as you can that you will still be fresh in her mind. If you really fucking hooked on Friday, she'll be ecstatic to hear from you next Thursday. If she was being approached by 5 guys an hour Friday, she won't remember who you are by Monday.
/r/seduction19/05/11 05:42 PM
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Upvoting you for the reference, not to agree with the advice.
/r/seduction19/05/11 05:35 PM
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Sneak off to eat some Doritos, then wake up her with your sexy scent.
/r/seduction19/05/11 05:34 PM
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Your methodology and conclusions.
/r/seduction19/05/11 05:25 PM
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Hey, she's got good points and all, but get this shit out of here. Leave it in /r/mensrights with all the other circlejerking indignation about how bad men have it. /r/seduction is for how to work with things as they are, not bitch about how they should be.
/r/seduction19/05/11 05:12 PM
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That's a "I can't enunciate my words" accent.
/r/seduction19/05/11 05:10 PM
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just sits and watches tv while almost ignoring her? No, that's being reactive. That's ignoring her out of spite. Just pull back just as you're doing something she likes and set the mood for, "let's just hang out." The combination of her suddenly being denied the physical aspect and your surprising acceptance of not having a physical night will get her wanting, this time with no annoying kneejerk discomfort. Also, girls I've been with do LMR just to make it more interesting. Where's the fun in ju…
/r/seduction19/05/11 02:06 PM
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I said nothing about how they look. I said they probably have similar snootiness/nerd snobbery to what male redditors have.
/r/seduction19/05/11 01:58 PM
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One caveat, the girls over at /r/2XC are going to be a skewed sampling. Picture typical male redditor but in female form. I think there's a lot of the same snobbery toward common activities (e.g. gossip, cliqueness). Also, what miraculous insight do you think you've discovered? That women are insecure too?
/r/seduction19/05/11 03:58 AM
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Best LMR fix = stop, be casual. Girls seem to get worse blue balls than guys if you pull back before she does. Stop, and if necessary, freeze out: give her the impression that you've completely let go of the notion of being physical that night. And again, be casual. Don't be pissy or reactive.
/r/seduction18/05/11 03:53 PM
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FR: I wanted to opened a 2 girls sitting on bar stools. I noticed they were crossfacing each other, with their outer thighs in full contact with each other. I couldn't put my finger on it, but it felt completely incongruous for me to try my opener. Instead, I commented on my feeling, "Hey, are you two longtime high school friends?" Them: Yes! Me: And you haven't met up in a while and are catching up? Them: Yes, OMG, how did you know? I went through and told them about how I saw them sitting so c…
/r/seduction18/05/11 03:23 PM
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I'm going to have to agree. I've seen people barge and it work magically because the group is so quickly won over. Goleman's point, of course, is that this is very much the high-risk way to go. If you can pull it of, your value is through the roof rather quickly. It becomes lower risk to do if the group's conversational energy is lacking before your arrive. If the group doesn't have a strong direction in their conversation already, a barge can be executed to good results.
/r/seduction18/05/11 03:15 PM
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The most likely answer is that we unconsciously imitate the emotions we see displayed by someone else, through an out-of-awareness motor mimicry of their facial expression, gestures, tone of voice, and other nonverbal markers of emotion. Through this imitation people re-create in themselves the mood of the other person. Having read through Ramachandran's Tell-Tale Brain, recent studies on the effects of Botox, psychology studies Gladwell discusses in Tipping Point, and a study I recall reading a…
/r/seduction18/05/11 03:08 PM
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Confirmed. And when she's wearing a hat, you can make a game out of stealing it from her, tell her what she has to do to get the hat back, etc...
/r/seduction16/05/11 04:14 PM
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Hey, I need a female opinion on something, isn't the total nature of the universe nothing more than itself? Didn't the universe begin by having sex with itself?
/r/seduction16/05/11 04:13 PM
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This. Everything that a girl feels that is awkwardness or nervousness transmutes into attraction if you give it a chance. It's a Pavlovian conditioning thing: for some reason, all you remember is accelerated heartbeat = accelerated heartbeat. EDIT: Obviously, there's a limit to this. With younger girls, I have this problem in particular. My solution has been to joke around with them more, be a bit sillier. Make fun games out of everything you do.
/r/seduction13/05/11 06:44 PM
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After watching that with a mixed gender group of friends, we speculated at how awkward a first date taking a girl to that movie could be.
/r/seduction12/05/11 05:57 PM
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Exactly my point. The ending always struck me as contrived because that's the way the archetype story ends. Don Juan finds the error of his ways and the emptiness of wanton carnal knowledge. That's how that story has to end, so he makes it end that way. It never felt sincere to me.
/r/seduction12/05/11 05:21 PM
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I go 15 minutes every morning. The weekly meet up is another half hour. And then I typically put in another hour or so on weekends. If you're serious, I highly recommend finding a young meditators-type meet up group at a nearby Buddhist center. They claim you don't get nearly the same benefits when you do it alone and it's a great way to meet people who you can relate to. Try searching for nearby Zen centers or Shambhala centers or just google Buddhist temple in your zip.
/r/seduction12/05/11 02:07 PM
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Someone I wasn't a year ago.
/r/seduction12/05/11 02:01 PM
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To be fair, that's how the Don Juan archetype story ends. See also: The Game.
/r/seduction12/05/11 02:00 PM
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ARGHHHHH, no one was here last month?
/r/seduction11/05/11 08:22 PM
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I got into Buddhism a bit over a year ago. I find I'm spending more of my spare energy exploring that than seduction. I go to a center near my work which has an "Under 30" type group for us youngins. So it's useful in that respect too since you build connections and see many of the same girls every week. I must warn that you can't be too aggressive there since it's a delicate environment. Since starting on the path ~1 year ago I have noticed the following effects: MUCH better at letting go my ou…
/r/seduction11/05/11 06:04 PM
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Girl: Hey, that's a cool shirt, what is it supposed to mean?
/r/seduction11/05/11 02:33 PM
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I'd go with this one.
/r/seduction10/05/11 07:31 PM
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For body language tips, I swear by this guy. The guy basically walks you through the body, head to toe, on body language. He grounds it all very convincingly in evolutionary psychology and, since he's a ex-FBI agent, he includes copious stories of the knowledge in practice. One story without trying to do it reads like the start to a perfect pickup.
/r/seduction10/05/11 07:30 PM
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General rule: the later you call (especially after 9pm) the less innocence, casualness, and levity are implied. This applies to dates too, the later they are, the less innocent they are.
/r/seduction07/05/11 07:26 PM
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An interesting post, but in general I'm suspicious of oversimplifying labels. For every legitimate study out there you have someone who didn't conduct the study, probably who didn't read it who winds up overstating what things mean. I reserve vague personality type descriptions as a means for entertainment for the women I'm talking to (e.g. "Oh, you're such a Libra. Neat, plans ahead, loves art, and just a little bit bossy!") I also think labels can also create an unnecessary distance between yo…
/r/seduction07/05/11 07:15 PM
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In a coffeeshop, my solution to AA was to summon the resolve and just start walking towards her. Once you're onboard, you're not getting off. In general AA is that stupid fucking Woody Allen voice in your head rattling away at everything that could go wrong. Just breathe out, and use that little bit of silence to assess how you feel. Probably nervous as hell. Great, now go talk to her while that Woody Allen voice has stopped talking. Another trick is just to talk to EVERYONE. The barrista at the…
/r/seduction06/05/11 03:33 PM
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It's life-changing to realize that there's nothing stopping me from being who I want to be. (At least initially in learning seduction.) Right, but the power lies in its ability to affect your attitude and outlook, not in the instant ability to maneuver women into bed. If you're on this path and you mean it, it takes a lot of work and frustration before it means results to you.
/r/seduction06/05/11 03:24 PM
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PUA stands for pickup artist, Indeed, a lot of the language used is incredibly loaded: "pick up artist", "target", "seduction", "escalate", "wingman/pilot". I honestly think the terminology came along to make the process more fun, a running joke of a metaphor that you're James Bond on some covert mission. (c.f. The Baseball metaphor ) It's silly, but leave a man his fun. Unfortunately, I think people outside the community stumble upon it and think it's all meant literally. No one seems to have t…
/r/seduction06/05/11 03:20 PM
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Girls: All this pick up stuff, why don't you just go talk to them? You: That's the point.
/r/seduction05/05/11 11:40 PM
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p.s. could this also possibly be an opener/routine? AM I A COMPLETE GENIUS? Opener: Hey settle something for us. A friend of ours said only "certain types" of girls hang out in bars, what do you think? Girl: Um.. like what type is that supposed to be? You: Exactly! I don't know. How about this, do any of the girls you see in this bar look like some kind of "bar type"? Her: Ha, well those fishnet stockings over there... <Holy shit, a conversation!>
/r/seduction05/05/11 09:50 PM
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Honestly, when I first started reading reddit/r/seduction I was very sad because it merely confirmed my fears that most people out there just want to hurt me. I like confident intelligent men, but if all they want is to sleep with me I'm not so sure. You'd have better luck just coming up to me and saying, "Hey, I think you're hot. Would you like to fuck?" if that's all you wanted, I'd respect you more for having the balls to ask. Although I suppose that would make me sad too... Ethics aren't dis…
/r/seduction05/05/11 09:32 PM
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IMO, there should be a sub-reddit for people who just want to find 'true love' or have already found it themselves and want to tell others advice on how to work with it. That's like saying learning to start a car's ignition is unnecessary to becoming a good driver. ALL relationships start with meeting and attraction, taught here. Everything after that is what could happen if you go that way with it.
/r/seduction05/05/11 06:59 PM
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genuine joy of studying social dynamics. There's that too. We are, after all, nerds.
/r/seduction05/05/11 06:49 PM
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General tips: bumping ass to ass is less intimidating to a girl than grinding up on her. Do it playfully. If you're dancing with a girl to the point that you're looking at each other, extend your hand palm up to ask for her hand. BAM! Instant KINO time. If you have her hand, be fun. Spin her around, motion with it. However, with exceptions in certain clubs, the dance floor is mostly a dead zone for me. The only thing you can notice about me in a dark loud room is my (lack of) height. I have no c…
/r/seduction03/05/11 04:02 PM
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"Courtship" is a weird word to use, and it makes me think your whole approach is off (putting girls on pedestals). Makes me think he's a time traveler from 19th century Victorian England.
/r/seduction02/05/11 09:17 PM
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Ridiculous. If your being good looking isn't just personal vanity and ego protection to give yourself a reason to fail (hint) and you're actually a seriously attractive dude, you will be simply unable to fail. We as humans are ridiculously blind to the flaws of people we're attracted to. I have a number of absurdly unconfident friends who get mad play because when a woman thinks they're awesome, they just play along. Don't worry about filling in the large shoes of some woman's expectation; she'l…
/r/seduction02/05/11 09:15 PM
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You may look at it as defending I'm only 20yrs, and still live at home with my parents. I know, I know, but hear me out. [4 sentences defending the choice] I mostly certainly do.
/r/seduction02/05/11 02:11 AM
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Why would you want to defend something when you can give the impression that there's nothing to defend?
/r/seduction30/04/11 05:03 AM
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"Wow, you still live with your parents" "Fuck yeah i do. Shit's expensive out there and I'm still getting my footing. Do you like salad?" NEVER defend anything. Once you've started giving reasons for something, you've ceded an enormous amount of ground. "Wow, you still live with your parents." "Yeah I do. Do you like salad?"
/r/seduction29/04/11 08:18 PM
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More specifically, are you being nice to construct/reinforce your self image, or are you being nice to make their night more fun?
/r/seduction28/04/11 10:50 PM
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Because then you're buying them drinks for you, not for them.
/r/seduction28/04/11 10:14 PM
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If you're buying drinks for people to be a nice person, you're not a nice person.
/r/seduction28/04/11 09:45 PM
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Awesome and on point.
/r/seduction28/04/11 06:55 PM
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I've read his book but again I only lightly cover pua material. His book only covers technique insofar as it helps to tell the story. Learning game from reading The Game would be like learning basketball from reading Michael Jordan's autobiography.
/r/seduction26/04/11 02:57 PM
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if i tried to escalate things, i definitely coulda taken her home You don't know the result of things you haven't tried. and i talked to her that night about getting together later on. This means nothing. What girls say has little bearing on what they do.
/r/seduction26/04/11 12:19 PM
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This. Just because you got her number doesn't mean you've gotten everything right up to that point.
/r/seduction26/04/11 04:26 AM
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Should I turn her down if she comes onto me? Should I roll with it? I understand this might fuck up our friendship but hey she's hot I already like the chick what do I have to do to not not make this awkward and not get anyone hurt? I'm not really looking for a girlfriend right now and I'm smart enough to know that this chick still wants her old boyfriend back. I don't get what you're trying to accomplish. A hookup? An excuse to try see how a relationship would go with this girl? On the other ha…
/r/seduction26/04/11 04:21 AM
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Take her out someplace fun. Have an excuse to be alone with her. Your inner caveman knows the rest of the way if you can shutup the whiny inner Woody Allen.
/r/seduction20/04/11 08:08 PM
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Hi everyone. My younger sister has dated the spectrum, but has veered more toward the guys who pathetically helped her with things. Some girls deliberately seek out the awkward nice guys to convince themselves that they've thought this through more thoroughly than the average woman. Some girls just like that role in the relationship and like not feeling intimidated. I've got a friend who seems to do amazingly well with women because he's so awkward and sincere. There's a mix. Then again, women c…
/r/seduction20/04/11 02:38 AM
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Come on, if you saw this girl, tell me your opener wouldn't be "Hey, stop stealing that bike!" ::smile:: Then she looks helpless and asks, "Hey, you don't know how to work these, do you?" "What, do you need an accomplice?" ::smile:: And where does it go from there? It's a pretty easy way to continue the conversation while showing off how competent you are. And let's not bullshit, there are interactions you will initiate just because a girl is hot.
/r/seduction18/04/11 03:55 PM
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Wow, you must think women are extremely shallow. Lame. um...wat?
/r/seduction17/04/11 05:41 AM
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Why would it be odd for women to like it? My point is that it's not. And I can't figure out why not. It has neither a hot male lead, goofball antics, finding the one true love, girls having girlfriend time, nerdy guys getting humiliated, or high fashion. Yet, women love it. You can't explain that.
/r/seduction16/04/11 09:33 PM
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But if she considers herself high value, negging is the best way to go. On the other hand, negging typically works with everyone but it can easily hurt a girl with low self-esteem. OMG, STFU about the negging. Everyone seems to think the neg is silver bullet and key to hot women. I almost want to say that if you're even talking about negging, you're probably too poorly calibrated to even be using it without coming off like a douche. Don't worry about it. In place of a neg, give her 10 seconds re…
/r/seduction16/04/11 09:12 PM
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Naw, I mean tell her. Tell her it's her job to get you so turned on you won't be able to restrain yourself. Then try your damndest not to get turned on.
/r/seduction15/04/11 11:00 PM
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I used to see a girl and we'd make this into a game: I'd tell her she had to get me ready.
/r/seduction15/04/11 08:40 PM
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the challenge is to instill a bit of value into my laughter by only using it in times of generally having fun and not to break tension or gain group acceptance. Don't use laughter for anything. If you're honest about it, it will come out when it's needed.
/r/seduction15/04/11 07:42 PM
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Makes her think you're trying too hard to get her to like you if you're laughing to get her to like you.
/r/seduction15/04/11 07:41 PM
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Laughter at someone else's joke when it's not that funny = LIKE ME LIKE ME LIKE ME. I used to be the biggest submissive laugher. Now, I let be.
/r/seduction15/04/11 07:40 PM
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Absolutely true statement. Probably useless as advice.
/r/seduction15/04/11 07:36 PM
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I kind of know what he means. I used to have no filter on expressing myself to most girls. This resulted in very few relationships, but close ones when it did happen. I've learned how to be a bit more enchanting by not sticking a megaphone on my internal monologue. Now, I meet more women, but always feel a bit guarded. I seem to end up fuck buddies with them. Still looking for that middle ground.
/r/seduction15/04/11 07:34 PM
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A great movie, and for reasons I can't quite explain, women love it too.
/r/seduction15/04/11 07:31 PM
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Also, obviously limit cuddling, personal emotional talk, etc... Good luck, but you've been warned.
/r/seduction15/04/11 07:29 PM
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HUH? More like the dangers of NOT learning the game. Options are the stuff of truth here. Most guys (and girls) who stay with the wrong person too long do so because they don't think they have any options and fear they won't be able to meet someone else. Knowing that you have the means to go out and talk to 5 women today gives a clearer perspective on what you have relative to what's possible. It also means you don't have to be possessive, jealous, or abusive with your current partner when she p…
/r/seduction15/04/11 06:05 PM
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So, basically, after-the-fact I use the various theories to recognize and try to correct mistakes. That's how you do it. In the field, it's "Shut up and try". Analyze and interpret LATER. Trying to apply details of theory in real-time is just asking for your inner AA to pipe up. Just have a vague outline of what you're going to do, have an opener or two, and just do it.
/r/seduction14/04/11 09:26 PM
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This happened to me. She was younger (19) and I kissed her in the elevator at my place. She seemed afraid and I pulled back. "I just thought we were going to hang out." I said nothing, smiled, looked at her. "That's ok," I said. We went to my apartment and put on a movie. Her feet were propped up on a stool and mine were too, in contact with hers. I put my hand in her hand, later making small caressing motions. I leaned in for the kiss, she was ready. Lesson learned: all paths from A to B are no…
/r/seduction14/04/11 05:55 PM
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So, my plan is to go out to surrounding towns and just try to find somebody there, because I'm really ready to start dating again. Okay, great, but no one under the age of 22 should speak in such serious terms. You're 17. You have 13 years before you even have to pose the question, "am I too old for this?" You haven't finished high school and you're already worrying about getting a career. Game is seriously fucking difficult in high school: no one has any self-confidence, location logistics are …
/r/seduction14/04/11 05:30 PM
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I call bullshit. It's called individual preferences. After 1000 approaches, at least one girl would be the intersection of: {girls that white dude is attracted to more than most of society is} and {girls that find white dude more attractive than most of society does} Talk to enough women and you'll find the ones that appreciate you that you personally find cute. And that, my friends, is rowing downstream.
/r/seduction14/04/11 04:21 PM
2

If you're here, you're learning about how to pick up women on the internet and from books. The phrase "risk averse" comes to mind. The ratio of "didn't try" to "got stuck" around here is probably around 1000:1.
/r/seduction14/04/11 02:50 PM
1

I lasted 2 hours my first time, including foreplay. Not what I was referring to.
/r/seduction14/04/11 01:48 PM
1

I was late in getting laid. When I told the first girl right beforehand that I was a virgin, she aggrandized it into a big thing. She felt shy about "deflowering" me. Fortunately, I managed to convince her that it wasn't a big deal and we did it anyway. (I wasn't going to try explaining to her that it's the day guys free themselves from a huge weight, rather than the day we lose a magnanimous opportunity). FYI: A muon decays in about 10-6 seconds. You will last about this long the first time.
/r/seduction14/04/11 11:39 AM
6

A journal dedicated to pop psychology? "This month, the results of 10 interviewed grandmothers on why you need to get off that damn computerbox."
/r/seduction11/04/11 06:47 PM
1

Tell her you don't want her while subcommunicating that you are after that. FTFY. It helps her work the plausible deniability to herself.
/r/seduction10/04/11 03:37 PM
5

For fuck's sake, it's not a categorical law if you understand the reasons for it. Many guys buy girls drinks because they think advancing the favor of a drink obliges the girl to return the favor of pussy. It doesn't generally work because buying a girl a drink is such a cliche that everyone now reads it as, "I would like to get in your pants." And if you hit on a girl before she's attracted to you, you've smothered the flame. You can't convey to a girl that you're interested until you know she'…
/r/seduction07/04/11 08:09 PM
14

YOU can change; don't expect others to change for your benefit.
/r/seduction07/04/11 04:51 PM
43

Wife cheats on Steve Carell. Steve Carell is heartbroken, gets divorced, asks Gosling for a makeover. After hilarious setbacks, Carell starts getting pussy like kitty litter. He finds it unfulfilling. Gosling most unexpectedly falls in love and seeks Carell's advice on how to be vulnerable and human to a woman again, which forces Carell to reconsider his feelings for ex-wife. Learning that she was only afraid of herself and finding Carell's newfound confidence and sense of self alluring, the two…
/r/seduction07/04/11 04:09 PM
1

Or a bit tall and not self-conscious about it. I have tall friends who think they can't get laid because they're tall.
/r/seduction05/04/11 10:16 PM
1

If you're having a good time, anything you do can be a DHV.
/r/seduction05/04/11 01:52 AM
1

Confirmed. If your face is right in hers, you're making a ton of eye contact while holding her hand, she's ready for the kiss.
/r/seduction04/04/11 08:18 PM
14

NO, I SAID COME 90 THEN I COME 10! YOU DON'T GO THE WHOLE HUNDRED! MY MOUTH WAS OPEN, ALBERT. YOU OVEREAGER SON OF A ...BLECH.
/r/seduction04/04/11 08:17 PM
1

Be honest and don't lead her on. Recall how much it sucked as an AFC to get lead on by women. Do nothing that's inconsistent with the frame of "I'm chasing other women" if that's your MO. If you want to be vague, the best thing that's IMO morally defensible is, "Hey, I'm having a fun time with you. I hadn't thought further ahead than that."
/r/seduction04/04/11 08:13 PM
1

Do not seek the number for its own sake. Get the number because you've invited her to something awesome and need to let her know the details. Or if you haven't invited her to something awesome, the pretense can just be to continue the awesome conversation. Best possible setup: You: Blah blah blah, my friend's performing in a band this Thursday. (don't invite her) <sometime later> You (as an afterthought): Hey, actually, you should join us. I'll call you. Her: Sounds great, it's xxx-xxx-xxxx.
/r/seduction04/04/11 08:07 PM
14

Good man. But I'd admonish all here to not get too buried in reading. By definition, the amount of knowledge in these books is inadequate to be ready for anything. Until you're out there, ingraining ideas into experience, you're trying to get good at tennis by reading this.
/r/seduction04/04/11 07:57 PM
3

I know what you're trying to do, and you're not doing it right." "Worked, didn't it?" ::broad smile:: EDIT: Alternative: "No? Maybe you can show me the right way." ::broad smile:: Someone said it below, if you're called out on hitting on a girl, own it. You're a man with no shame about being a man. Seriously, if a girl calls me out on my moves, I love it. Gives me a chance to talk to her about some nonbullshit topic for a while. And if she's saying it to tease, not to shut me down, I can flip it…
/r/seduction04/04/11 05:24 PM
1

Straightforward communication and no judgement seems to be one of the best methods... Straightforward communication is probably the best thing for resolving issues in a relationship, but it's not for anything else. A good writer will tell you what a character is doing before giving motive for it. You are drawn in. Do your SO a favor and let most of what you do be open to interpretation, rather than depriving her of that mystery. Leave room for some surprise. Let her have a little bit of fun tryi…
/r/seduction03/04/11 05:51 AM
5

Which is why you never make the being interested mutual knowledge. Always leave a little room for doubt. The human mind gets hot and bothered for ambiguity.
/r/seduction02/04/11 03:52 PM
2

"Hi, I'm [name]".
/r/seduction01/04/11 05:50 PM
2

It's not bait so much as an interest test/amplifying. Most likely, when you come back, she'll still be there and want you more. If not, keep hanging out doing whatever you were doing, talk to other girls, etc... If she's interested, she'll find you again. If she's not, she won't.
/r/seduction01/04/11 12:07 AM
2

Every day this April, I'm going to ask a girl to go on a date. Don't pressure yourself to pressure them too much. It's a far better promise to yourself (IMO) to talk to at least 3 girls every day with no expectations. Forcing the # close isn't productive and actually causes you to organize your behavior around that goal. You'll also disappoint yourself and waste time trying to follow up. Better goal is open a shitton of girls, and go for the # close/date follow up whenever you've got IOIs and it…
/r/seduction31/03/11 10:44 PM
17

But I couldn't be dominant to her, she was just too talkative for me and overwhelming. She even paid the bill herself. I know I have failed miserably in applying most of seddit advices here, but I am still starting. Nonsense. You're taking the word "dominant" here way the hell too literally. The only thing that I can see that you've done wrong so far is assume you've done anything wrong. Let her do most of the talking, all that does is build up your mystery and make her crave feedback from you m…
/r/seduction31/03/11 09:59 PM
1

Wouldn't call it a FTC, so much as a simple takeaway.
/r/seduction31/03/11 05:49 PM
1

For example, Dirty 6th, aka 6th between congress and i-35 is primarily for older out of town tourists and young college kids. If you are in your late 20s to 30's, the girls there are not going to be receptive because they're almost all still in college. The same girls however, if they venture down to west 6th will generally be more receptive. Our results exactly echo this. The night with the K close was definitely further out and the girls were definitely more receptive.
/r/seduction31/03/11 05:18 PM
2

Two hours notice on a Saturday? Even if she hasn't made plans, she probably won't go along with it, if only to maintain that she's not the kind of girl so eager for interaction/you that she'll agree to anything. I suppose it's a pretty alpha invitation on your part, but it's naively overpresumptuous. True, the less advance notice you give a girl, the more it will mean if she goes along with it, but you also start excluding more and more girls that are either a bit less interested in you or cauti…
/r/seduction31/03/11 03:25 PM
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and was in it for the fun, not to get some tail. I dont know if this breaks any rules This follows all the rules. The best way to attract women is to have something better to do than attract women. Next time you're out, follow this exact mindset again and you're gold. and excuse myself to go meet up with the people I came with. This is where the night got crazy for me. This is called a takeaway. It's actually good form when you're with some chick for a while, to excuse yourself to [scout around/…
/r/seduction31/03/11 12:02 PM
2

I'm going to write up a TV show in which the protagonist just straight up asks women to fuck and they all say yes. Then we'll be back here praising the subtleties of his game and technique and how we should emulate him.
/r/seduction30/03/11 10:09 PM
0

club-type chicks. No such thing. Categorize by location, not by person. This is like trying to pick up a tennis player on the court while she plays, getting removed from the match, and then saying, "I guess this doesn't work for tennis-type chicks."
/r/seduction30/03/11 09:47 PM
2

Just because the number is usually necessary for the followup does NOT mean that it is sufficient for it. I used to think that getting a number was one of the boxes you check that gets you closer to getting laid or getting a relationship or whatever. So my thinking at the time was GET ALL THE NUMBERS. It'd be 1 in 3 girls were number closes and 1 in 10 number closes had any followup. Then I realized that a girl could just give you her number to be polite and/or to get rid of you at the time. Now…
/r/seduction30/03/11 09:39 PM
2

I have business cards and can tell you from extensive experience if you haven't gotten her number, you have not closed. Of course, there's no point in trying to get her number before she's interested, but very rarely do you get a followup from just handing your number out. Only once has this happened to me and it worked because she was already really into me. As the man, you are expected to call. But that call only works if she's already into you.
/r/seduction30/03/11 09:34 PM
1

If she hasn't brought him up, you've done fine and have no reason to change course because of this. How many LTR stories start with, "Well, I was dating someone else when I met him so I broke up with my bf..."? Most people in dissatisfied LTRs are staying waiting for something better to come along, since it's less risky than being single for an indeterminate time. TL;DR: Let her make the call on if it's right or wrong to continue going this route with you, not you.
/r/seduction30/03/11 09:26 PM
2

The number one rule for how long do you wait before calling, answer: As long as you can If you've made a superstrong impression on a girl, you can wait around for 5 days and her still be ecstatic to hear from you. If it was more lukewarm, you might have faded in her mind to the level of background noise by then and a call from you becomes, "Um... who was this?" I generally feel pretty good about at least leaving a full day buffer of no contact. Let's her know I'm doing other things and not dwell…
/r/seduction30/03/11 09:17 PM
3

Too Dong; Lidn't Read
/r/seduction30/03/11 09:13 PM
2

Fuck everything about facebook closes, unless she found you.
/r/seduction30/03/11 09:11 PM
6

Don't feel too dumb because I've fallen for that before many times before learning my lesson: if her response to "we should meet up" is "I'm usually in here around this time", you have just been politely turned down. Besides, even if you wait around for her and catch her again, you will have just done yourself a huge DLV.
/r/seduction30/03/11 09:09 PM
1

Gladwell is a brilliant writer and argues things in a very compelling manner... that falls prey to every logical fallacy, sampling bias, and cognitive bias known to man. Steven Pinker summarizes nicely the flaws in Gladwell's approach, even while praising his writing style and content choice. Basically everyone here is here because we're risk averse, so the danger for PUA readers is thinking that if you read enough, you'll be perfect. If you get another manual under your belt, you'll be "ready".…
/r/seduction16/03/11 03:22 AM
2

Everything by Gladwell is an unscientific waste of time by a sophist. Read Rules of the Game and/or Magic Bullets. Then please STOP and go talk to girls. You'll never be able to read your way out of having to take risks.
/r/seduction15/03/11 09:51 PM
89

Okay, the reason why buying a girl a drink became a cliche in the first place for hitting on a woman is explained in Cialidini's Influence: as per reciprocity, people who have favors done for them feel obliged to return them. Most people (men and women) agree that a girl accepting a drink is automatically viewed as more sexually available and obligated. The reasons this falls short today is it does two things: It tacitly plays the assumption that (1) she is the prize and that (2) her giving you …
/r/seduction27/02/11 07:30 PM
2

Touché.
/r/seduction27/02/11 07:18 PM
2

Confirmed, go to mirror.
/r/seduction25/02/11 02:44 AM
2

Email claims it will only be up for 48 hours, so here's a megaupload mirror. Then again, Style's marketing team might just claiming that to draw on the only "limited time only!" technique so you'll actually bother looking at it, rather then shelving it for "later".
/r/seduction24/02/11 02:43 PM
2

Your question suggests that you are new to PUA. Pigeonholing girls into types (e.g. that wouldn't give her number out at a bar or the type that wouldn't be receptive to a strong man) is unsubstantiated and not useful.
/r/seduction16/02/11 11:03 PM
2

it can be unethical to lead them on. Absolutely. After having so many women lead me on early my life and seeing it happen so much, I decided I cannot ethically do the same to a girl. You can leave enough ambiguity for them to believe what they want - interpreting facts correctly is their responsibility - but NEVER say one thing and do another.
/r/seduction16/02/11 10:58 PM
7

Here ya go, you lazy bastard.
/r/seduction16/02/11 10:37 PM
3

When 90% of women reject me, it means I must rank very low on looks. Men always do this, assume women judge the same way we do. They don't. Study after study shows how much less superficial women are compared to men. When a girl is judging your attractiveness, short of your having some serious distracting physical deformity, she's judging your energy, how you come off, and your apparent personality.
/r/seduction16/02/11 10:11 PM
1

on google.....
/r/seduction16/02/11 09:02 PM
1

I've already listed 3 good ones. Check those out and you have a good starting point.
/r/seduction16/02/11 08:40 PM
1

I became more selective. I used to think that it was a linear progression, that getting a number was a checkbox toward getting a followup. So my attitude was GET ALL TEH NUMBERS. Then I realized that you could get a number and it not be symbol of success. I actually NEVER got a fake number, but I did get a whole lot of flake-aways and girls that just didn't reply when I invited them to stuff. So I stopped caring if I got a number when a girl wasn't obviously into me. As for ego, a strange girl o…
/r/seduction16/02/11 08:29 PM
5

Every 10 girls I open = 1 number. Every 3 numbers = 2 follow ups. Used to be more like 3 opens = 1 number Every 10 numbers = 1 follow up. It's more important to be in the habit of opening without an outcome attachment than to grab at her phone number like candy. Either way, it's still a numbers game and you have no idea how well you will hit it off with a girl before you open.
/r/seduction16/02/11 07:59 PM
3

I'd say get your inner game in gear before anything. At such a young age, you might not have a good delivery sense on a lot of these routines, could come off wrong. If your inner game's in gear and you're still having trouble your freshman year of college, by all means, dive in, but I really don't think this will be a problem if you do. High school is hard gaming for everyone.
/r/seduction16/02/11 07:38 PM
5

I would tell myself to focus alot more on inner game and get my shit together This. What you think of yourself and how others relate to you is the underlying cause of all the outward stuff you do that drives women away and causes you to not see it when a girl is interested in you. Most every socially awkward thing I did was a consequence of my trying too hard to impress people/fit in/etc... Of course, the irony was that the harder I tried, the more pathetic it looked and so it always backfired. …
/r/seduction16/02/11 07:16 PM
6

It's commonly thought that direct game works better during the day. Let us know if there's follow-up.
/r/seduction16/02/11 04:30 PM
1

If you're putting yourself in a lower status position No. If you actually think this, you're reading it wrong.
/r/seduction16/02/11 12:48 PM
1

Right on both counts. Salsa in particular seems to lack men and is structured enough to where the basics aren't that hard. And I'm generally pretty inept at dancing-type coordination in general, but it doesn't matter. You get it if you keep at it.
/r/seduction16/02/11 03:24 AM
1

Her: You're old. You: Yeah, but I won't hold your youth and inexperience against you.
/r/seduction15/02/11 11:09 PM
1

I'm at the bank, the teller says my handwriting is terrible. With a smile on my face, I pretend to be sooo offended and tease, "Is this how you're nice to your customers? Make them insecure about their handwriting? Jeez!" I'm on the subway, I'm talking to the woman next to me about careers and the type of people. She says it would be torture for her to take a career in science, it's just soo hard for her. I joke to her, "Gee, thanks, I'm a scientist, way to diss my entire way of life!" I'm talki…
/r/seduction15/02/11 10:48 PM
2

HB5 and HB6? The cuter one you were talking to I'd call a 7 and her friend was good looking in a very plain way. I'd give her a 6-6.5. Overall, nice write-up, man. Gives a good sense of what was going on. EDIT: My opener to the girls blackdevil is talking about was actually pretty simple. I initially just came to grab a beer and watch the Celtics game. As I put my arm on the counter to signal I wanted service, I felt a tap on my arm. Girl: Oh, sorry. I didn't mean it. Me: Yeah sure, you totally …
/r/seduction15/02/11 09:52 PM
5

Dude, older women will bring this up because they love that you're young, like if a guy with an Asian fetish kept blurting out, "You're so Asian!" Recently hooked up with a cougar, she loved how young I was. Youth means energy, being virile, having years of girls wanting you. Shit, run with it.
/r/seduction15/02/11 06:42 AM
6

Yes, get out there and talk to women. Help them through this awful holiday with an amazing experience with an awesome guy.
/r/seduction14/02/11 09:57 PM
2

I called her lover. In this style or seriously?
/r/seduction14/02/11 09:16 PM
3

Remember that immaculate girl [on the subway/in your class/at that party] that smelled so nice from her D & G perfume? Remember how your mind just incorporated that smell into the concept of what this lovely creature was and part of what made her irresistible? Why wouldn't you want to have that same effect on a girl? As a matter of personal taste, Axe is to cologne as Budweiser is to beer: the shitty mass advertised product for people who buy they first thing they're told to buy. Get yourself do…
/r/seduction11/02/11 07:21 PM
5

If you're worrying about being a Beta in looks, you're not an Alpha in game.
/r/seduction10/02/11 08:39 PM
4

Wildly meaningless armchair biology FTW!
/r/seduction10/02/11 08:32 PM
3

Link.
/r/seduction10/02/11 01:46 PM
3

Did you mean this ironically?
/r/seduction10/02/11 01:39 PM
1

TL;DR: The right questions to ask to know: will we have first-date sex/do we have long-term potential/do you have the same politics/is she religious, done by statistical analysis.
/r/seduction09/02/11 07:54 PM
1

I'd say snow is weather to upvote.
/r/seduction09/02/11 04:37 PM
7

Whenever you see an attractive girl, a truth is waiting for you. A very Buddhist perspective: being open to the signals of the world, having confidence that through acceptance or rejection you will get an answer. Getting *an** answer is the goal, not timidly making sure it's a positive one.*
/r/seduction08/02/11 08:04 PM
7

Ask yourself something: do you actually know ANYTHING about these women you're prematurely turning down? Honestly, probably THE worst thing you can do to women you don't know is pigeonhole them into neatly defined categories. Because: It gives you an excuse not to talk to them because you've decided in advance if they're your type. The roles you don on women you don't are usually AMAZINGLY FLABBERGASTINGLY WRONG. It inserts preconceived notions about how a woman will response to something you do…
/r/seduction08/02/11 05:30 AM
3

Yes, seriously.
/r/seduction07/02/11 02:00 PM
2

Patrick Stewart has just the thing for you.
/r/seduction02/02/11 05:39 PM
2

Roissy answered this.
/r/seduction01/02/11 07:39 PM
8

Her: I don't want this to be a one night stand. You: Of course not, we're just going to cuddle.
/r/seduction31/01/11 10:34 PM
1

It's also a great way to pretend to keep up relationships with people you don't bother to see that much on a regular basis. Actually, I recall reading in Psychology Today maybe that people who suck at social life are not helped by facebook because their same flaws will emerge eventually online too, but people who use facebook to further their real life social ties benefit.
/r/seduction31/01/11 04:32 AM
5

Everyone's constantly selling their lives. This has been the case for centuries. Facebook just makes the advertisements more frequent.
/r/seduction31/01/11 04:23 AM
2

"Can I buy you a drink" = Open declaration of hitting on you. That was the point, he was making a joke.
/r/seduction28/01/11 08:11 PM
3

I just like the bitch slap that that movie gave to every rom com's one-itis promoting bullshit at the end.
/r/seduction28/01/11 06:11 PM
2

You're in the middle of an extended 1-on-1 with the girl, or by yourself with the girl and her friends. You: So you should come to X. I'll call you. Her: Actually, that's ok. You: K, cool. Anyway, what's occasion you guys are all out for tonight? You're all dressed up! Treat it like her loss and you'll end up playing it that way. EDIT: Unless you didn't, and it happened anyway. If you're going to claim a girl was interested but wouldn't give you her number because of X, you're setting yourself u…
/r/seduction28/01/11 05:19 PM
8

You: Put in your number Her: No. You: Okay, that's cool. <To your friend> So anyway, like I was saying, I couldn't believe that play last night from Garnett.... Really, it's not that big of a deal. Don't play it like one. This is not as common or as serious as you're making it out to be. I've been doing this a while and 95% of girls that aren't interested would rather give you a fake number or give a real number and not return your calls. Most girls feel seriously awkward about declining a numbe…
/r/seduction27/01/11 05:10 PM
4

BTW: Oneitis doesn't mean "never fall for anyone" or "never put value on a girl", it just means "DO IT PROPORTIONAL TO HOW MUCH YOU ACTUALLY KNOW HER". Most Asian girls I know that are not assimilated to American culture are quiet shy sexually and have slower expectations on how fast things progress. I was talking with a couple Korean girls and telling them about the Third Date Rule in America and asked if there was an equivalent in Korea. They said there was a 90-day rule - that's right, you wa…
/r/seduction27/01/11 04:24 AM
8

"Yeah, you had something in your teeth. <she picks around> Eww, I was just kidding!" Given that I've had months to think about it.
/r/seduction26/01/11 09:59 PM
5

Friend of mine had been glancing over at this girl for a while, he says hi. Girl (annoyed): You're like the 10th guy to stare at me tonight. Friend: But I'm the best one! He didn't get number or anything, but was a nice face save.
/r/seduction26/01/11 06:33 PM
1

Different for different people. I've heard some people are properly comfortable when high and do great. I personally am TERRIBLE gaming high. Even the next day is kind of a psyche-out for me. I don't feel the social chemistry of the moment and my memory is so terrible it's like trying to game as an Alzheimer's patient.
/r/seduction22/01/11 02:02 PM
1

Best "player" answers.
/r/seduction22/01/11 01:59 PM
1

Best "player" answers.
/r/seduction22/01/11 01:59 PM
2

I guess it's approach anxiety talking Something I've found to help: if I can't approach, I just start walking toward the set I'm going to open. Once that ball is in motion, you have to follow through and open.
/r/seduction21/01/11 09:21 PM
4

Friend and I were out at a bar in California. They were cougars. They drove us home in a Windstar, had sex, left.
/r/seduction21/01/11 07:16 PM
1

Yeah, not everyone thinks it's a good idea to constantly tell the world where you are.
/r/seduction20/01/11 07:22 PM
3

Of all the redditors in /r/seduction, ThrowawayPUA is by far the grumpiest, most direct, and most willing to advise through insult. That said, it's usually good advice.
/r/seduction20/01/11 04:28 PM
5

Take it as an IOI and run with it. This. When a girl calls me a player or asks if I am one, I basically glow - she has just explicitly told me that she views me how I wanted her to. I'm James fucking Bond now.
/r/seduction20/01/11 04:07 AM
2

Kanye gets his openers from Mystery.
/r/seduction19/01/11 10:24 PM
3

Why, were you thinking about hitting on me?
/r/seduction19/01/11 10:22 PM
2

WEIS is a great read and its statements are very grounded in plausible evolutionary explanation. Currently reading Caldini, though mine has a slightly different title Don't know what the difference is. Mine just might be an updated version of the same thing. Anyway, I'm a big fan. The guy gives a lot of very accessible everyday applications of concepts, while citing every claim he makes to a scholarly published psychology paper. Best of both worlds.
/r/seduction14/01/11 06:39 PM
3

Okay, first off, while I've never been exactly in your situation, I do feel for you. I'm a seriously loud guy who tends to dominate conversations and even I've been countless times in conversations where I just don't have anything to say to anyone. You also get into feel bad feedback loop, yes? *1. Nothing interesting to say, I'll keep quiet.* *2. Aw shit, I haven't said anything, I'm a loser. Now I feel bad.* *3. I feel bad so now I'm not in the mood to say anything.* *4. Return to 1. So first …
/r/seduction14/01/11 02:35 AM
1

5'5" according to imdb.
/r/seduction10/01/11 01:04 PM
1

"Talk about handicap—I'm a one-eyed Negro Jew." link.
/r/seduction10/01/11 01:04 PM
6

Context needed. Some younger girls are very shy about just getting into it right away while some older women just want to get down to it. In the case of the last girl I brought back, this was after a "date" where we played pool. I invited her back to my place on the pretext of a movie. As soon as the door closed, it became clear she didn't actually buy the pretext any more than I did.
/r/seduction07/01/11 09:27 PM
-1

Yes, people can have both side aspects and bad aspects. Just because Tom Cruise is a batshit crazy scientologist doesn't mean the man can't act well. Just because Bill Maher is an antivaccine zealot doesn't mean the guy doesn't have a lot of good points about other things. Ambivalence, people. Learn it.
/r/seduction06/01/11 04:37 PM
1

Douchebag. The kind that needs to be not told about some of your social events.
/r/seduction27/12/10 07:16 AM
5

Stiffler FTFY. And watching him gains you no benefit except entertainment.
/r/seduction27/12/10 07:15 AM
1

“There is always one girl out there that got away…one that got away…guys have that and serial killers have that.” --Adam Sandler's character, Funny People. It's so true.
/r/seduction23/12/10 01:54 AM
1

Yeah, there are a bunch of us. We were intending to meet up for a beer, but so far as I know nothing's come of it.
/r/seduction17/12/10 04:27 PM
1

Dude, was there last month and went shopping at Beacon's closet.
/r/seduction17/12/10 03:42 PM
2

Boston
/r/seduction17/12/10 01:26 PM
16

respect all women; they are normal people, no matter how ridiculously good looking they are. Respect all women enough to joke around with them you mean. It's that runaway reverence that gets us in to trouble.
/r/seduction14/12/10 08:54 PM
4

Basic conversation: anyone you're talking to has a whole story. What (s)he does, what music/movies (s)he likes, what (s)he enjoys in his/her free time. When you're talking to a stranger or someone you don't know that well, the best way to go about it is wonder to yourself what makes this person tick? How does (s)he work? and then ask questions that try to answer that. At a more concrete level, just figuring out how they spend the majority of their day will tell you a lot, and give you a good amo…
/r/seduction14/12/10 04:44 PM
2

I can't think of the questions fast enough and I'm terrible at relating. I'd say most of this is just a fear block: you think you're about to fail and being preoccupied with that causes you to actually fail. You're probably A LOT better at this than you think but hindered. You might have some kind of anxiety disorder or a related personality disorder. You may wish to seek professional help if this is a big issue. There are therapeutic approaches and/or medication. Either way, don't punish yourse…
/r/seduction14/12/10 04:32 PM
3

Strauss says call the next day, even if you never want to see her again. Call the next day so she doesn't feel used. The rest is optional.
/r/seduction13/12/10 10:54 PM
2

5'3". I do just fine when I can talk to the girl rather than just be the short guy on the dance floor. EDIT: And the last girl I dated seriously was 5'10".
/r/seduction13/12/10 10:52 PM
2

It means you should post this in /r/askreddit.
/r/seduction13/12/10 10:49 PM
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I mean most people don't. Men who "don't like makeup" actually don't know what makeup looks like. Women who claim they just want to be treated nice or only want tall guys equally haven't a clue. At the end of the day, the chef might ask the food critic for impressions but doesn't heed the critic's advice on food preparation. EDIT: Typo.
/r/seduction08/12/10 05:07 PM
3

Initiate argument about anything with your friends Bring in other people ??? HB Profit.
/r/seduction06/12/10 06:57 PM
3

"Hey, we're picking up chicks."
/r/seduction06/12/10 06:53 PM
2

Exactly, sounds like she's on board. Either go for it or don't.
/r/seduction06/12/10 05:04 PM
3

Also, you may wish to try a lair or try going out by yourself. Make goals for yourself (e.g. "Every day I'm going to approach 5 girls with no expectations of outcome"). Also try Style's 30-Day Challenge in Rules of the Game. Definitely gets you out and trying.
/r/seduction03/12/10 07:44 PM
5

Briggs-Meyers indicators are meaningless intellectual masturbation that do nothing more than categorize individuals into false dichotomies on things that are so complex and contextual, even a spectrum wouldn't cover it. In the context of picking up girls, they're the labels of limiting belief, false ceilings, and excuses on what you are you capable of accomplishing based on the vague prophecies of a questionnaire. TL;DR: Stop pidgeonholing yourself with meaningless labels. Save astrology and pse…
/r/seduction03/12/10 07:38 PM
3

SOURCE? EDIT: Nevermind, it's in microscopic print in the corner.
/r/seduction03/12/10 12:16 AM
3

I'll usually ask myself if I would do the same for a male friend. Or a girl you aren't attracted to.
/r/seduction02/12/10 08:58 PM
1

I don't mean to say that we're spending our lives trying to date someone "better"; I'm saying that this attitude only exists in unsatisfactory relationships, or in relationships that the person is taking for granted. If you can lie down at the end of the day and say to yourself, "me and this person work damn well together", you've pretty much called the search off.
/r/seduction01/12/10 05:17 PM
2

There was a clip from the "asian pua" thread where the guy's response is, "Great, he can cook for us!"
/r/seduction01/12/10 02:18 PM
1

"Cool, is he around? I need another opinion on something." If you can deliver this without pausing to think about it, this is a great disqualifier IMO. It conveys that you see nothing dishonorable about what you're doing, and have no need to sneak around. It also shows that you've let go your outcome - if you're willing to bring a hypothetical boyfriend into a conversation, you're willing to pretty much kill your chances of "sneaking off" with her.
/r/seduction01/12/10 02:17 PM
2

Assuming: You want a girlfriend. You can't be a more awesome person than her past boyfriend.
/r/seduction01/12/10 01:25 PM
1

If she actually has a boyfriend (which is the exception) and he's an awesome guy, you couldn't "steal" her anyway. Otherwise she's doing what every single human being on the face of the Earth is doing: waiting for something better to come along. How many couples do you know whose stories start with "Well, we started seeing each other when he was dating someone else..."?
/r/seduction01/12/10 01:22 PM
3

Role reversal/disqualification. Always makes for good flirting.
/r/seduction01/12/10 01:22 PM
2

If she actually has a boyfriend (which is the exception) and he's an awesome guy, you couldn't "steal" her anyway. Otherwise she's doing what every single human being on the face of the Earth is doing: waiting for something better to come along. How many couples do you know that start with "Well, we started seeing each other when he was dating someone else..."?
/r/seduction01/12/10 01:21 PM
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rriers. That's why you use false time constraints, negs, etc - it all conveys that you aren't trying to win her over. And if she says "I have a boyfriend" she's clearly responding to perceived romantic interest on your part, which probably means you aren't doing it right If she actually has a boyfriend, she might just be bringing it up to convince herself that she's exercised due diligence, that she "tried" to be a proper girl, (see also: "I'm not sleeping with you tonight") in which case you ju…
/r/seduction01/12/10 01:18 PM
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PUAs get a horrible reputation as a bunch of misogynistics This tells me that most regular girls don't want to feel like they're just a notch on a headboard. Try and work some of this into your approaches. I'm just amused. It's like, "HEY GUYS, girls don't like being treated like conquests. See if you can incorporate this when you're treating them like conquests." I know you probably don't mean it that way, but it's the subtext I pull away. Excellent read and analysis, BTW. My experience on day …
/r/seduction30/11/10 03:03 PM
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Try spending time with more women casually. Salsa dancing, yoga, political causes, etc... are all places you'll have an excuse to just interact with women as people. As a man with a lot of female friends, I'll tell you they're really not that different from us. If it helps, think of your anger as being like the anger of girl who doesn't take care of herself who doesn't get hit on for it. She hates men for not wanting her. Same sense of entitlement.
/r/seduction24/11/10 04:35 PM
2

Because 'power', 'money', and 'knowledge' all generalize to the same thing: having value. You can have these things and, if you play them decently, notice that you'll get laid. Some guys who didn't have those things going for them were just lucky in their environment and genes and happen to be naturals. And then there's the rest of us, the other 90%, who for the longest time just got lucky - notice the wording, "got lucky", the idea being that if you got laid, it was a lucky accident instead of …
/r/seduction23/11/10 04:40 PM
5

Fuck the dance floor. It's worthless on approaches. Go out and dance with your friends because you want to have fun, but approaching on the dance floor is like trying to drink water by standing in a hurricane. Note: I am your height and feel incredibly profiled on the dance floor where the only they can notice about you is the vague outline of your figure. Put me in ANY situation except one where conversation is essentially impossible.
/r/seduction21/11/10 09:35 PM
1

You aren't the first person to just finish the book
/r/seduction19/11/10 06:08 PM
1

On the one hand, you have to push yourself out of your comfort zone to make sure you haven't settled into your patterns out of fear and ignorance, on the other hand, you can't sustain the constant energy drain it takes to be someone you aren't. You need to find a version of yourself that's both sufficiently you and well-adapted to social climate. Might I suggest meditation and Shambhala Buddhism? The central theme is that who you are isn't anything to be ashamed of, that that intrinsic self is e…
/r/seduction18/11/10 04:10 PM
2

The whole PUA stuff to me isn't about faking extroversion or even becoming an extrovert. Unabashed extrovert here. This man speaks the truth.
/r/seduction18/11/10 04:04 PM
1

Is it really cool to interrupt people when they are reading? That would annoying me a lot. It doesn't annoying anyone. Just try it. "She'll be annoyed" is the voice of the inner excusor. Let her turn you down, don't give her advance excuses. I have interrupted hundreds if not thousands of people from their reading, and the readers for fun have never ever been annoyed, while the people reading for work or for school are always glad to talk, though if they are genuinely busy with something due the…
/r/seduction18/11/10 04:42 AM
1

"She had headphones on" is an excuse. Any girl you start talking to will take them off when she sees you're trying to talk to her and she'll respect you more for having the nerve to approach when she had headphones on.
/r/seduction17/11/10 09:46 PM
4

Heavily dependent on location. Where I live, the subway is full of students and young professionals. In e.g. San Diego, this might not be the case.
/r/seduction17/11/10 06:35 PM
0

You kidding me? It's all about the B and C lines! EDIT: I forgot multiple cities all creatively call their systems the "T". If you're talking Boston, though, I will call this categorically wrong.
/r/seduction17/11/10 05:50 PM
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Yeah, that's the thing: everyone rides the subway except the uber-rich so there's that mixing effect. And there are always ridiculous people you can comment on, or exchange a glance with someone about. Do an approach per day for a month on the subway, and you'll wind up with a whole bunch of interesting conversations and some decent number closes.
/r/seduction17/11/10 05:33 PM
2

Yeah, NYC always has those crazy people that start talking to you, won't leave you alone, though I've had some pretty decent approaches on the subway. It's all about establishing that you're not crazy or homeless.
/r/seduction17/11/10 05:24 PM
1

How often does it matter what the first word out of your mouth is? By contrast, how often does it matter that you said something to her?
/r/seduction17/11/10 05:20 PM
2

Exactly how many girls have you slept with that you met on days you were wearing blue? Exactly how many girls have you slept with that you met in the 3rd week of the months? It doesn't fucking matter.
/r/seduction17/11/10 04:19 PM
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This. Things like facebook, reddit, or any online interaction like WoW build a false sense of community. People say, "Well, isn't the feeling the thing that matters?" Well, it depends on what you're interested in getting out of it. Online interaction can make you better versed in online jokes and text interactions, but it teaches you nothing about body language, vocal intonation, reacting quickly in a social setting, etc... And all those are things it's useful to have a sense for if you're chasi…
/r/seduction17/11/10 04:15 PM
2

I agree that it's easy to build a false sense of connection to people on facebook and that a lot of people lay themselves out like open books on it, but facebook is pretty indispensable for a lot of real-life social things and provides a lot of opportunities for fun. Just create a profile that doesn't convey much in the way of specificity and follow the OP's advice on not friending girls you want.
/r/seduction17/11/10 04:12 PM
2

By the time it gets to an F-close, I honestly have no memory of how I opened the conversation. And neither does she. And that's the point.
/r/seduction17/11/10 04:08 PM
3

I called it Let's Just Be Facebook Friends
/r/seduction17/11/10 01:24 PM
1

If you read through enough examples of disqualifiers/negs/etc... I think you get a feel for them and you can just do the subtle ones that come naturally to you. Like if a girl's taste in music is pop hits, you can tease her about that, e.g. "OMG, we have to get you into good music!"
/r/seduction16/11/10 05:19 AM
2

The only problem is you have to invent an imaginary place you stashed your friends in.
/r/seduction15/11/10 09:06 PM
8

If a friend 25 bucks You accidentally.
/r/seduction15/11/10 09:05 PM
0

The Game is just a story. It has certain aspects of truth, but molded to the author's goals. One of the author's goals is to tell a compelling story. So it needs dramatic tension. It needs good guys and bad guys. It needs conflicts. And it needs a hero, in this case, the author. That's the author's prerogative, he can make himself look good if he wants to. Indeed, Strauss writes beautifully hyperbolized versions of all his characters, because that makes the drama. It's not a story to be taken li…
/r/seduction15/11/10 08:02 PM
1

Yes, this is the premise of every Judd Apatow movie. Besides the number scale is only useful insofar as it measures how much a girl gets approached. Therefore it doesn't really apply to guys. The equivalent for men would be PUA skills, like AFC4, PUA7, etc... but the whole point of pickup is the change of that quantity so it's not really useful to label and limit yourself as being one number. Besides, on physical attractiveness alone, what makes you think you're a 4? Dude, you're 6'1" and consid…
/r/seduction13/11/10 09:07 PM
1

I've heard that we're cheap, not that we don't like to discuss money.
/r/seduction13/11/10 01:35 AM
1

Pretty much. He's only going to want to forego opportunities to fuck other girls if there's an advantage for him. That advantage would be you not getting involved with another guy. But you really should talk about this. It sounds like you're content to be exclusive but you don't know about him. You really should be on the same page. You can be blunt and outright ask how he would feel about you doing other guys. If he'd be hurt or would feel that it would be out of bounds, then you have an answer…
/r/seduction12/11/10 10:39 PM
1

I've heard dark chocolate which is why it became a Valentine's Day thing.
/r/seduction12/11/10 10:10 PM
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Armchair advice: I don't think you're doing it right. If a non-exclusive girl I'm already fucking is playing hard to get, I'll just seek out other girls that will fuck me. My advice would be: Fuck 3 other guys and let him be aware of it. Subtle ways to do this: Him: Hey, what are you up to tonight? You: I've got a hot date. Seeing you getting it from other guys will show him that you're not an abundant resource he can get anytime, and that you might be snatched up by any one of these other guys.…
/r/seduction12/11/10 10:09 PM
2

The few Russian girls I know are very adamant about the gender roles on dating. To them, saying the man shouldn't be paying might be tantamount to the guy suggesting that men should have vaginas and that women should do the fucking with penises. These women may be the type that won't even consider any man who doesn't pay. In that case, it might even be a DLV to NOT pay, since it might make you look cheap in their eyes. Paying is a DLV only insofar as it shows significant investment from you in h…
/r/seduction12/11/10 08:59 PM
3

Women care less about appearances than men anyway. Just fucking man up and assume you're an awesome enough guy that you don't need to be in super optimal condition to be seen.
/r/seduction12/11/10 08:27 PM
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All the Russian girls I know are sooo old-fashioned, expect to be dined, paid for, etc... And they're not afraid of stalkers/creeps. They expect to be followed around. It's how they know the guy is actually interested. Of course, this could just be the ones I know.
/r/seduction12/11/10 08:26 PM
1

she made some remark about how she understands why I won't say since i'm Jewish and this has to do with money. Russian girls that I know are just strange like this, man - blunt to the point of impertinence. But getting offended by stereotypes doesn't help out your game. If I had heard this stereotype, I would have just played along and laughed. Since I haven't, I would have just been curious, "Hadn't heard that one, is that the stereotype?" But in general, when someone is wrong about something, …
/r/seduction12/11/10 08:24 PM
1

Thank you for this. I have days or weeks where I'm fighting off my mood so I can talk to women. It's like trying to swim with a wet blanket over you.
/r/seduction11/11/10 05:15 PM
2

Seduction will get you attraction and sex. Sex will often lead to a relationship and relationships lead to marriage. This is like asking if learning how to ride a bike can help make you a professional BMX racer. Or in nerd terms: seduction/attraction is necessary but not sufficient to getting married.
/r/seduction11/11/10 05:12 PM
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As per my prior post, ya'll are overemphasizing the value of "intrinsic" beauty, as if there were a one-to-one mapping from some quantitative metric of attractiveness (here, averageness and facial symmetry) to how attractive a girl is perceived. It's about presentation and how she sees herself. PUA-interested people of all people should appreciate the importance of presentation.
/r/seduction11/11/10 05:08 PM
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If she is a celebrity, chances are she's 9.5-10. I also think you're underemphasizing the importance of presentation, a temporary and modifiable thing. The most useful application of the "HB" scale is "presented appearance". Presented appearance, not how hot she intrinsically is, determines what she thinks of herself, how modest she is, and how often she gets hit on. Therefore, this is what you need to pay attention to. An absolutely beautiful girl with a knock-out body might only appear to be a…
/r/seduction10/11/10 08:12 PM
3

Personally, I think most material overemphasizes the cold approach, though practicing via the cold approach can improve your "warm" approaches. By all means, go for the cold approach, but my experience has been that cold approaches are fucking hard and that networking works much better. Even if the connection is the girl you're talking to has a sister whose college tennis coach has a son who knows your sister's friend, for some reason she will be way more down to close. This is why friend's part…
/r/seduction10/11/10 07:05 PM
2

She doesn't seem that professional. There's a certain hoarseness in her voice that professionals don't have. Also, if you ever watch interviews on E or MTV or whatever, you can totally see the overenthusiastic fakeness of the reporters. She seems genuinely taken by him.
/r/seduction10/11/10 03:33 PM
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You can link to 3:33 directly by adding #t=03m33s to the url
/r/seduction10/11/10 03:13 PM
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repost
/r/seduction09/11/10 08:32 PM
2

It can definitely distract from the date if you're spending all this time figuring money out. That's why buying in advance is nice. It also doesn't necessarily enter her mind that you just paid for her because you didn't pull any money out. That can be good or bad. I'd say when you're picking up tickets, just say her to "I got this, the first round of beers is on you."
/r/seduction09/11/10 06:40 PM
2

Granted. But the notion that The Rules was written by feminists is ridiculous.
/r/seduction09/11/10 12:10 AM
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You get more girls wearing a pirate costume than an Armani suit. Dressing notably is more important than dressing well. Mostly. I think I remember OK Trends showing that guys wearing formal wear actually got lower attractiveness ratings. And on a college campus, I'm more concerned with being young, dressing fashionably than dressing upscale.
/r/seduction08/11/10 08:54 PM
3

Women are really thick How it works
/r/seduction08/11/10 04:21 PM
5

Um...also... feminists hate the Rules: They impose traditional roles on men and women and the idea that all women should want husbands. They put sexist restrictions on female behavior (e.g. Don't Talk to a Man First, Don't Meet Him Halfway or Go Dutch on a Date, Don't Stare at Men or Talk Too Much) They condemn casual sex (e.g. Don't Rush into Sex, Wait at Least Three Dates) Feminists as a monolithic bloc, would like women to be able to engage in the same behaviors as men without shame, includin…
/r/seduction08/11/10 02:46 PM
1

eventually married a girl. I can find no mention of Strauss getting married. He settled down for a while for his relationship with Lisa, but they broke up.
/r/seduction08/11/10 02:18 PM
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The Rules != The Game. The Game: set of tips on getting casual sex. The Rules: set of tips on getting a husband. To claim they're the same thing is tantamount to claiming women don't want casual sex. And if you just read the list of rules, you'd see that any guy with a modicum of game would just next any girl that was following the Rules on the basis that she wasn't interested. The only thing you need to know about women's game is that everything you do will be discussed with her friends.
/r/seduction08/11/10 04:35 AM
5

Fuck that line. The whole fucking battle between Siths and Jedis is a battle OF ABSOLUTES. The whole notion of such relativism is raped up the ass when whiny crybaby Anakin says, "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil," and Obiwan replies, "then you really are lost". What's that Lucas? Your character espousing absolutes in your GOOD vs EVIL fight? Lucas just wanted a shot at George W's "You're either with us or against us" line, whether or not it made any sense for a Jedi to say it. Of course…
/r/seduction04/11/10 09:21 PM
2

No chick goes to her girlfriend and says "that guy was so mysterious, I didn't even know what his name was." Likewise, no chick goes to her girlfriend and says, "that guy was so mysterious, his name was X". You can play the implausible statements game all day, it proves nothing. Even if they did, guess what, you'll never meet her again because she won't even associate you with a name, and won't even remember you. Most people are terrible at remembering names anyway. And I dare say that if she on…
/r/seduction02/11/10 03:24 PM
2

Do not give your number out without getting hers. She will not call. Maybe it's because he doesn't want to look desperate, maybe because her friends have convinced her it's desperate to call you, maybe because she just doesn't know what she'll say if she calls, and maybe she just forgets that she was interested in you. And then there's always the chance she's just not into you and asks for your information so you'll leave her alone. My experimental success rate on having her call me has been 0 w…
/r/seduction02/11/10 02:02 PM
1

Maybe you can punch up the results in a school newspaper article. Then, at least you have an excuse a la, "It's a little something I'm doing for an article."
/r/seduction01/11/10 09:11 PM
3

Just be prepared for the following question: "Um... why do you have crayons and a canvas?" You might want to claim you're a performance artist or that you have a friend who's a kindergarten teacher you're making a present for. Otherwise you look kind of autistic, just playing with crayons at a coffee shop.
/r/seduction01/11/10 08:41 PM
4

lack of CONFIDENCE
/r/seduction27/10/10 09:36 PM
2

I just looked like I was on the verge of a shooting rampage. Then you did it right.
/r/seduction27/10/10 08:53 PM
2

The two books I read: Uncommon Therapy by Jay Haley My Voice Will Go with You by Sidney Rosen For those not in the know, Milton Erickson is the guy all of NLP is apparently based on. NLP always seemed borderline quackery to me, but Erickson's stories are very interesting demonstrations in frame shifting and always enormously entertaining.
/r/seduction25/10/10 05:40 PM
2

Just posted this. Maybe it helps.
/r/seduction25/10/10 04:00 PM
1

A wise man once said, "pussy ain't got no face."
/r/seduction25/10/10 02:59 PM
1

and if you wish you can color it some more by saying she was mildly attractive, very attractive, super attractive etc. If only we could loosely map these vague adjectives to a well-ordered number system approximating her physical attractiveness level relative to all femalekind.
/r/seduction25/10/10 02:57 PM
3

No, it's all looks. That's the point: it's much easier to rate objectively how attractive a woman looks, compared to all the other little intricacies of a person. An HB10 might be a 2 in her personality from being full of herself while an HB6 might be as seductive as hell.
/r/seduction25/10/10 02:53 PM
2

Get one of these posts every few weeks, mostly by people who came here to fail to prove preexisting ideas about PUA. The rest of us hang around and filter through the shit for the good stuff that's here.
/r/seduction25/10/10 02:50 PM
4

Look back Walk over Say, 'Hi'
/r/seduction24/10/10 03:59 PM
3

There are no rules. Just don't text to avoid calling because you're being a pussy.
/r/seduction22/10/10 07:42 PM
1

Ah, direct game. It can work. Just not like this.
/r/seduction21/10/10 08:42 PM
10

HEYINEEDAFEMALEOPINIONONSOMETHINGDOYOUFLOSSBEFOREORAFTERBRUSHINGANDCANAGUYSTILLHANGOUTWITHHISEXHEYHOWDOYOUGUYSKNOWEACHOTHERWANTTOTAKETHEBESTFRIENDSTEST?
/r/seduction21/10/10 08:03 PM
2

4 of us here. We should all grab a beer together at some point.
/r/seduction21/10/10 03:24 PM
2

Sup, pick up ahtist?
/r/seduction21/10/10 03:23 PM
1

My op-ed on facebook as a close. Also, having less than 50 friends on facebook means fuck-all. Most people on facebook are friend whores who will friend anyone they've ever seen in real life. If I see someone on facebook with less than 50 friends, I just assume that they're not that into facebook. EDIT: Wait, you mean "should I bring it up as a DHV?" NO. Who the fuck talks about how many facebook friends they have? Who even talks about how many friends they have? Dude, you're not running for off…
/r/seduction20/10/10 10:01 PM
2

I knew it had been a while since Tucker Max posted new stories, but I didn't think he was posting them here.
/r/seduction19/10/10 03:19 AM
2

Learning to ignore those kind of remarks or just smiling and making fun is going to be a part of the journey. This whole process, if you're serious, is a personal transformation, and not everyone around you will understand it. In fact, you can count on others NOT understanding it. Think of "finding yourself" films like The Graduate, Garden State, or even something like The Truman Show - the premise is "I cut myself loose from expectations and assistance of others and live for myself on my own va…
/r/seduction19/10/10 01:09 AM
1

Bond is ...a gentleman of an earlier generation. Bond's an interesting study into how gender roles have evolved. In his early roles you see him practically forcing the women to kiss him because olde society rules say, "she's supposed to resist, even if she wants you." Hence, a forceful Bond was ok because of the notion that, deep down, all the women wanted him to force them. If you watch Brosnan or Daniel Craig's bond, a more modern role evolves.
/r/seduction18/10/10 06:33 PM
1

It's who I am… "I act this way and I refuse to change because I'm afraid of what people will think of me." It can mean a whole lot of things. Being who you are can also mean refusing to compromise and rearrange your life for other people because you don't care what they think of you. I think PUA (and life in general) is that middle ground between how you act naturally and what society rewards. Once you get there, that's who you are and you don't have to change it for anyone.
/r/seduction18/10/10 06:29 PM
1

He's "charming". Charming is neither asshole nor pussy nice.
/r/seduction18/10/10 06:25 PM
7

You put too much pressure on her by immediately asking her out. Related.
/r/seduction18/10/10 04:45 PM
7

Why are you being so nice to people you don't know? Do you see yourself as being so abundant and women as so scarce? Do you, like so many of us starting out, act nice to everyone around you not because you want people to feel good but because you want their validation to feel good about yourself? Being "nice" only counts if you have the ability to NOT be nice. Otherwise it's just cowardice. Not just women, but people in general are put off by people who are too nice to them. That said, be nice t…
/r/seduction18/10/10 01:54 PM
1

Might be because I'm running day game might not. Got nothing to do with it. Day game means the girl who gave her number to you will actually remember who you are and where you met, as opposed to the girl who drunkenly made out with you on the dance floor.
/r/seduction18/10/10 01:34 PM
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Eh, don't worry about it. Everyone of us here has had at least 5 very serious missed chances in our lives. That's the cost of improving - you have to see just how many opportunities you've shat away. The good news is, eventually the missed chances of the past will be a drop in the bucket against the chances in front of you.
/r/seduction18/10/10 03:41 AM
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I found 30DC to be a great manual. Strauss gets you started on very reasonable things, doesn't dump too much information on you at once, and gets you OUT trying it. You end up talking to a lot of people and getting a good amount of numbers. Though I learned through my 30 DC experience not to push too hard for the number - I used to think of it as a measure of success with a particular girl; turns out it's worthless unless she really wanted you to have it. Good luck!
/r/seduction18/10/10 03:13 AM
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OP: She said I should take her number, should I have taken it? SEDDIT: Facepalm. OP: Self-facepalm.
/r/seduction18/10/10 02:48 AM
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Great girl is a lot of fun and I almost blew it. (IMO she is worth it) Hey, I hope it works out for you and everything but it doesn't sound like know her that well. You met her somewhere, got a number, and spent time in a loud club making out. The language you used (and time spent) is suggestive of trying to save a serious relationship, when this early on, it's a crapshoot when it comes to predicting how much will come of it. If you're worried about losing a girl so early on, it might be an outg…
/r/seduction15/10/10 05:24 AM
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I wouldn't worry too much about high school. It's exceedingly hard to get laid/ask girls out when you don't have much going on yet. You can't drink, sounds like you might not even have cars, you don't know the cool stuff to go out to with friends, the women are incredibly flaky because of how delicate they are, and girls in high school tend to take things slow as a matter of caution and unreadiness. Not to mention, seddit doesn't really respect such trivial issues. A lot the guys started out in …
/r/seduction14/10/10 03:46 PM
2

Haha, I do that all the time to my buddy. It actually works pretty well just because the whole situation is so absurd.
/r/seduction13/10/10 08:40 PM
2

ok, I'm going to get my buddies hooked up by being the BEST WINGMAN EVAR" mindset True. When a guy goes out with the mindset of "I'm soo getting my buddy laid tonight", I think he becomes overeager about it. And if he's tactless about it, it can make it look like you can't talk to girls on your own, hence he's hooking you up. A good wing should step in, say, "This is my buddy [name]. He's a fun guy," and then maybe bring up something awesome about you that you can't bring up yourself without com…
/r/seduction13/10/10 08:25 PM
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Remember when you were a little kid, you just tapped people on the arm to make a point. That's how it works. Get comfortable KINO-ing everyone, which is what effective communicators do anyway. I naturally end up KINOing my boss when I'm making a particularly emphatic point about something. 3 points of advice on KINO: Timing: KINO when you're making a point or during a moment that's high on emotion of excitement. Location: Back of the hand, back of the wrist, basically the whole forearm, these ar…
/r/seduction11/10/10 11:06 PM
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If you are not a toucher and you start touching people, they will think you're being creepy. Not if you do it right. don't go and touch a 10 if you're a 6. Touch a 7 if you're an 7-8 and there is an IOI. Nonsense.
/r/seduction11/10/10 10:56 PM
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Yeah, if you've opened well, 10 minutes later no one remembers what you opened with or the fact that you said you "had to go" in just a sec.
/r/seduction11/10/10 03:15 AM
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can I just turn this off? Yes. You do other things with your life besides wait for her online. Let her speculate to herself what they are. Go out, do stuff with your friends, with your wife. Something that conveys to this girl (and to you on an Inner Game level) that she's not the focal point of your life. In the sitcom of your life, she's only a recurring character that shows up every few episodes as an outside observer. Should I just use Facebook messages or wait for her to send one? Just give…
/r/seduction10/10/10 09:27 PM
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On the morality issue, it's really not fair to your wife to lead her to believe one thing about your relationship and pursue another. On the logistics issue, get to interacting with girl outside of facebook. The internet is a fantastic place for interacting without attraction. It's communication, but sanitized of all the touching, eye contact, facial expressions, etc... It sounds like you both know what's going on, so meet up for a drink somewhere. I'd say if she declines (again two declines wit…
/r/seduction09/10/10 04:43 PM
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Should I stop being available on Facebook? YES. Theory and motivational speech: A lot of /r/seduction and the community is nerds spouting theory, but here's a core principle I don't think anyone will ever contest: you only become attractive to a girl when you have better things to do than hang around her. Stand your ground, be someone, do your own shit with your friends, have your own life. If she's interested, she will join it when you give her the chance. If you're always trying to meet her in…
/r/seduction09/10/10 01:33 AM
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You misinterpret. I do not facebook girls I haven't met in real-life. But for the girls I've talked to in real-life that I've FB closed, it's been the worst possible close to give.
/r/seduction08/10/10 03:52 PM
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My facebook, IMO, gives a great image of me. I saw a bumper sticker at Berkeley once that said, "I'm much cooler online," and I'd agree. Doesn't matter, the actual meetups are very rare in coming among girls I've FB-closed. I think it's a big disclosure of information and contact availability that's unnecessary. Of course, this is all theory and might not be applicable to all people in all situations.
/r/seduction08/10/10 03:50 PM
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But, ask yourself what your FB says about you? Believe me, I've thought about this and that's why I've traditionally been so accepting of facebook closes. She definitely won't think I'm a psycho seeing my facebook, but my experience tells me this is the wrong way to look at it: how badly are you fucking up if you have to work to convince you're not sketchy? I agree that it paints an image of you, but there's a lot of your behind-the-scene secrets in a facebook account.
/r/seduction08/10/10 03:47 PM
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I do that. Doesn't seem to matter, although today I finally number closed a girl who had facebooked me. But this girl was into me. Enough to where I just gave her my card and knew she would find me. (BTW: first successful response I've gotten to giving out my info without asking for hers).
/r/seduction08/10/10 03:40 PM
2

Upvote for outcome. Downvote for choosing Einstein as your favorite scientist.
/r/seduction07/10/10 09:54 PM
1

How could you build any kind of scarcity in the process?
/r/seduction07/10/10 09:12 PM
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Then, a whole branch of pick up gets devoted to this idea and you can have meta meta conversations: "And here's the part where I'm supposed to tell you about how I build value" AND THEN: "And here's the part where I'm supposed to tell you that I'm supposed to tell you about how I build value" AND THEN: the universe unravels itself and we see the inner neurons of God himself, which puts particle physicists out of a job, so particle physicists go on to become mathematicians, saturating the field u…
/r/seduction05/10/10 07:49 PM
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Yeah, a lot of women look at the IOIs and giggle because they all seem so mechanically prescribed, but the whole point is not that women do them because they've read up on it, but because women do them naturally and unconsciously as a result of being interested.
/r/seduction05/10/10 03:16 PM
1

Show obvious and blatant IOI's.
/r/seduction05/10/10 03:04 PM
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Sure, Strauss says one of the best things you can do when called out on using game is to drop it all for a moment and say, "Here, I'll show you how it works" and run around the bar with her, opening, using her as wingman. The whole time you and she have a secret no one around you is in on.
/r/seduction05/10/10 02:24 PM
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I wish I had the memory for faces. A friend of mine who does very well for himself uses this as a opener if he recognizes a girl at the bar. Why the hell would it be creepy to recognize someone and comment on it? I mean, it might be creepy if it was more like, "Hey, I've seen you on campus before, don't you go to [school name], major in English, take these classes, and always leave your polka-dotted panties to air dry in the laundry room?"
/r/seduction04/10/10 04:03 PM
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Jewish area, eh?
/r/seduction04/10/10 03:57 PM
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It's all in how you say it. Try this: "I work with disabled kids and I'm an MMA fighter." Or you could say, "I kick asses and take kids' names."
/r/seduction30/09/10 05:09 PM
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Now reaaaaallyyy want to hook up with this girl That. Stop that and you'll be fine. Sounds like she's chasing you anyway, so you're in the clear. Focus on other things in the meanwhile.
/r/seduction29/09/10 03:20 PM
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AFCs in recovery won't be able to separate things and will continue to cling to and obsess over a girl PAINFUL LESSON of TRUTH. Do not trust yourself to be able treat a girl you like as a friend friend. That's like the recovering alcoholic who keeps a hip flask with him and tells himself he's just keeping it around for antiseptic purposes.
/r/seduction29/09/10 02:52 PM
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Yeah, there's a balance between being motivated and being overeager. I just notice that if I don't for a while, it keeps me on task with noticing women.
/r/seduction26/09/10 10:41 PM
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Just keep staring her in the eyes like she's prey. She'll generally look away out of nervousness so when she looks back, you should have no trouble going for that kiss. You're a fucking caveman ready to strike.
/r/seduction26/09/10 10:15 PM
1

Don't jerk off for a week. Get girl to your room. I think you'll figure it out from there.
/r/seduction26/09/10 10:13 PM
2

Suck the nipple, sir?
/r/seduction26/09/10 10:12 PM
1

"I have a boyfriend." "Great, he can cook for us." Or just ignore it. A lot of times a girl brings up a boyfriend, she's just mentioning it for her own piece of mind, as if simply the act of bringing him up were due diligence to avoid going home with some guy.
/r/seduction26/09/10 02:41 PM
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Yeah, and interestingly a lot of the women are like 18-24 in the book and married with kids, which shows an interestingly generational difference. Still, a lot of these are very good and completely timeless fantasies, and again, the specifics aren't so important so much as the strong sense of female yearning that comes out of it that helps you start to look at women you see as people with some very serious sexual needs, rather than aloof needless godesses.
/r/seduction24/09/10 05:00 PM
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Joke if you want, but Starbucks is my best location. My opener: look over, interested in what she's doing, and then, "what are ya working on?" Have a book with you so you have the option of going back to it if conversation doesn't work out well, plus gives her less of a sense of "I won't leave you alone any time soon" (it's like a FTC).
/r/seduction24/09/10 03:39 PM
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You forgot to be wearing no pants and rub your dick in her buttcrack. This is a DHV because it shows that you're total ALPHA who doesn't let the opinions of some lesser AFCs get in the way.
/r/seduction23/09/10 08:37 PM
2

Approach even if she has headphones on, it impresses her that you have the gall
/r/seduction23/09/10 08:36 PM
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Agree. When you'll be in a small pool for a while, don't piss so freely.
/r/seduction23/09/10 08:31 PM
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Oh, you know, just be yourself! <facepalm, ya?> Read up on how to do a cold approach, try a few openers, get out. Imagine how you might act if you were confident with women. Play that person for a few approaches and you'll find it start to snowball at some point.
/r/seduction22/09/10 06:51 PM
1

I was out with friends and this 23-year-old girl was totally taken in by this 40s Israeli guy for his apparent sophistication. It's the guys that start out self-conscious about one thing that become self-conscious about another.
/r/seduction22/09/10 03:29 PM
1

Looks like something out of one of these indy low-budget Indian films.
/r/seduction22/09/10 03:26 PM
1

You mean the fake response that was put up as parody?
/r/seduction22/09/10 03:25 PM
1

as guys start to get older, they start to lose confidence. wat?
/r/seduction22/09/10 03:15 PM
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I'm finding myself less attracted to 18-year-olds, who don't quite have their worldliness and sense of style down. Also, some of them just look too young.
/r/seduction21/09/10 08:35 PM
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The guise is you want to hang out with her.
/r/seduction21/09/10 07:57 PM
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We, as men, are hardwired to chase after the youngest sexual mature female, and cum in her. If that weren't the case, mankind wouldn't be here today in such robust numbers. This is why women spend $300 billion on products that make them look younger. Younger women are cuter.
/r/seduction21/09/10 07:07 PM
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Oh boy, now you got me started on the "extrovert" label. The false dichotomy of extrovert/introvert probably harms rAFCs as much as anything. First off, it's not a two-state system, it's not even a whole continuous introvert-----------extrovert spectrum. Most people that are introverted in some contexts are huge extroverts in others and vice versa. The label of "extrovert" or "introvert" is therefore a completely arbitrary, unscientific, and meaningless way of limiting yourself by through pigeon…
/r/seduction21/09/10 03:22 PM
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OK, my previous post was missing a </sarcasm> tag. I will add it for your benefit.
/r/seduction21/09/10 02:20 PM
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Eh, maybe you have a mild form of Aspergers. Or maybe youre just unlucky, assuming youve been getting to parties. Alcohol + anonymity college girls = sex, if you just try.
/r/seduction21/09/10 01:19 AM
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Be aware that shy girls are quiet/unresponsive not out of rudeness but of fear. Be willing to spend that extra time with her and don't be addicted to immediate responses from her. Also, tell her (and it's likely true) that she strikes you as the kind of girl who's only shy around new people but is probably very outgoing among her close friends.
/r/seduction20/09/10 04:24 PM
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Yes, make her self-conscious of the thing she's already likely insecure about. EDIT: </sarcasm>
/r/seduction20/09/10 04:22 PM
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how do go about finding a girl that is interested in me. Talk to everyone, especially if they're not hot girls. Being good at casual conversation with strangers is always helpful. Talk to girls Talk to girls Talk to girls Talk to girls That's really the closest thing to a magic bullet there is: actually getting out and trying. You're 19, you're probably in college (or "university" is that's what Aussies call it). Do a search through /r/seduction for any college-related advice like this. You'll f…
/r/seduction20/09/10 03:08 PM
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Dude, you're in. I love when girls spend the night chiding me for being a player or whatever. It says to me well I did something right tonight.
/r/seduction20/09/10 03:30 AM
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I think Style came up with it. Yes he did, straight out of ROTG 30day.
/r/seduction18/09/10 07:05 PM
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Yeah, that's been my experience too. This was the first time a girl replied when I just left my info. Based on the vibe, I couldn't get her number in a way congruent with the conversation, so I just said, "Fuck it, I'll leave a card. I don't really care." Also, apparently mPUAs (master PUAs) can know and have opportunities when they'll be able to get away with just leaving info without getting a number close. Sort of like if Brad Pitt invited you to a premiere of his latest movie, he wouldn't ne…
/r/seduction18/09/10 07:04 PM
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Option A: Guy: [I'm hitting on you/You're pretty/Let me buy you a drink.] Girl: God, this again. Another guy throwing himself in my face. Option B Guy: [You're bad, we'd never work out/Stop hitting on me/You're drinking a cosmopolitan? There's no way you're a hardcore [sports team] fan.] Girl: This guy's interesting to talk to...he's actually kind of cute. God, why isn't he hitting on me?!
/r/seduction18/09/10 06:54 PM
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Yeah, having a card as a undergrad might come off as pretentious try-too-hard, unless you have a legit business reason to have them e.g. you interned at the Sundance Channel and therefore have an excuse to make connections in the industry.
/r/seduction18/09/10 06:47 PM
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I'm a grad student. You can get business cards done if you look into it.
/r/seduction18/09/10 04:20 PM
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Yup, business cards. Highly recommend. Make the whole process a lot more suave. Just hand her the card. And if you're going for a number close, hand her the card and say, "Hey, I'll trade ya." When she says she doesn't have a card, say you'll trade numbers.
/r/seduction17/09/10 11:37 PM
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I feel like the whole stereotype of dreading approaches though comes from the guys who are too pushy about it. If you don't let go your outcome, your behavior will unconsciously organize around whatever your goal is, and she will react to that in a negative way. Only if you're absolutely OK with not getting anything out of it can you escape the risk of coming off as too pushy/unwelcome.
/r/seduction17/09/10 08:58 PM
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Women LOVE the neck nape. Every women I've ever naped has just about purred when I did it.
/r/seduction17/09/10 08:51 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised. Women can be asymmetric due to hemispherical brain dominance (at least that's my theory). I knew a girl who'd get terribly ticklish when I touched her left leg but not her right.
/r/seduction17/09/10 08:50 PM
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Two notes: Absolutely no foot love. This surprises me. Men: Ladies, stop fucking around and go for the PENIS. It's really that simple.
/r/seduction17/09/10 08:49 PM
2

As was Patrick Stewart
/r/seduction17/09/10 02:21 AM
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She's funny and smart as hell and we are meeting tomorrow. I always have the most trouble trying to play the game with girls that I actually think are cool. It's much easier to feign disinterest when you aren't interested. :) I usually go with the honest as fuck approach with them... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I think it comes down to whether the person actually likes me or not. Yeah, except everything you wrote is negated by this: I'm even going to show her this post. So your ent…
/r/seduction17/09/10 02:11 AM
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It's not the explosive battle people make it out to be. It only turns out that way with /r/2XC because they misunderstand most of the techniques and feel manipulated. When you end up arguing with them by telling them the fun things you do to get women interested, they are forced to back up their positions by saying their response would basically be to inoculate themselves against fun, that you couldn't "trick" them into having a good time because they would just become conversational wet dishtow…
/r/seduction17/09/10 02:02 AM
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Logic?!?! OP: Both parties don't want a commitment. Troll: Man up and make a commitment, otherwise it's unfair to the girl. EDIT: Deleted comment said "Man up and make a commitment."
/r/seduction16/09/10 10:21 PM
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Humans suck at separating sex and emotion. SCIENCE attests to this. EDIT to whoever downvoted me: I'm not being sarcastic. Read the National Geographic article, or the Scientific American Mind article. Orgasms and physical intimacy creates an emotional connection.
/r/seduction16/09/10 10:20 PM
2

I am going to be Don Draper on my next approach. See what happens.
/r/seduction16/09/10 08:10 PM
1

We do experiments lacking in every kind of basic rigor, reporting back to each other, based on subjective memory and experience, what works. This is about the level of rigor of guys in a locker room passing tips on bodybuilding. I suspect our data falls prey to confirmation bias, among other things. The fact that OKC has actual data and a statistician makes me respect it more as science.
/r/seduction15/09/10 10:18 PM
5

Day of week also matters. Tuesday night dinner is more innocuous than Friday night.
/r/seduction15/09/10 07:09 PM
2

Good call. Though OK Cupid doesn't given PUA advice, they do something we don't: SCIENCE.
/r/seduction15/09/10 06:46 PM
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The later a meeting is (at least, after dark), the less innocence is connoted. Coffee is generally a casual middle-of-the-day thing.
/r/seduction15/09/10 05:55 PM
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The Art of Seduction is a cute little tour through history of the legends of common modern folklore and what their overall principle was. Most of these folks already had stuff going for them (e.g. was King) and the book is incredibly scant on usable specifics. Also, it's nothing more than Robert Greene's unscientific musings. I'd recommend skipping it
/r/seduction15/09/10 12:43 PM
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I'd say most of the stuff here is good banter regardless of gender or orientation and KINO works on everyone. Sometimes (male) gays come in here and ask how to do it, which kind of astounds me because I thought the whole crux of the problem was, "I'm trying to attract someone that works on different attraction rules than me." Then I realized there's a difference between enjoying a meal and knowing how it's cooked.
/r/seduction10/09/10 06:08 PM
3

It's all in delivery. The "extra love" comment could easily be delivered flat-out wrong.
/r/seduction10/09/10 03:39 PM
1

Your responsibility to communicate clearly. Being able to accept the content is hers.
/r/seduction09/09/10 09:17 PM
2

If you have where she lives and her work schedule, what do you need a number close for?
/r/seduction08/09/10 08:17 PM
5

Do whatever you want, just don't lead her on into believing you're after anything long-term with her.
/r/seduction08/09/10 08:16 PM
2

That and, "Oh yeah, well I would just give really bitchy mirthless answers to all the material so you couldn't trick me into having fun."
/r/seduction07/09/10 09:30 PM
2

Australia?
/r/seduction07/09/10 04:35 PM
2

Legit excuses are legit excuses. I hope your grandmother is ok. I'm all out of grandparents and wish I'd spent more time with them when I could. If you're worried about her taking it as lack of interest, give specifics a la, "grandmother in hospital" as opposed to "family emergency".
/r/seduction04/09/10 01:14 AM
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the women there are vapid and boring or just plain unresponsive. You will find every kind of interesting woman under the sun in a bar/club/pub. If you don't like clubs yourself, that's fine, but saying "the women all suck there" is just an excuse to avoid contact. EDIT: Remove one "just".
/r/seduction03/09/10 10:54 PM
1

Mood. Regular exercise is as effective as antidepressants.
/r/seduction03/09/10 04:18 PM
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Hey seddit, 2XC isn't our enemy. They're not necessarily going to understand us fully, but don't let's beta ourselves by getting so wrapped up in what they say about us. If a girl really wants to immunize herself from PUA, her only option is to deliberately inoculate herself against having fun. If that's what she wants to do, fine, that's her choice. And her loss.
/r/seduction03/09/10 07:20 AM
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INTERNET FIGHT
/r/seduction03/09/10 07:13 AM
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The best ones are improvised from context, but I suppose you could just google the canned ones.
/r/seduction03/09/10 07:00 AM
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Whoa, easy there. We're really not all enemies. A lot of women like to watch /r/seduction and see what it's about.
/r/seduction03/09/10 02:06 AM
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more proper term would be Disqualifier Yup, that's what Strauss does in Rules of the Game, refocuses negs along lines that imply "I'm not a potential suitor." e.g. "You and I would never work out!"
/r/seduction03/09/10 01:52 AM
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Best place is one that's tucked in somewhere hidden with a nice cozy atmosphere. It shows that you explore and know good places. This should not be hard in Pittsburgh.
/r/seduction02/09/10 03:55 AM
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BTW have you never heard that beauty is in the eye of the beholder? "Generally, physical attraction is dependent on three factors: universal perceptions common to all human cultures, cultural and social aspects, and individual subjective preferences." There are objective statements you can make about the beauty of a women. You may find the girl down the hall from you cute, when I can't see it, but neither of us would turn down the opportunity of being breathed on by Jessica Alba. The point of th…
/r/seduction02/09/10 03:16 AM
2

Well played.
/r/seduction02/09/10 01:31 AM
1

Along those lines, the effect touching has on a guy.
/r/seduction01/09/10 09:23 PM
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Do you have leprosy? j/k I don't know. Some girls get nervous. Next time handholding comes up, see if you can work it into something more casual, e.g. you're about to go somewhere and take her by the hand in the process, anything that draws less attention to her. Also, you might want to try more fleeting handholds, like 2 second hold, then stop. Sometimes it's a work up the tolerance thing.
/r/seduction01/09/10 09:21 PM
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How old is she? Sounds like you just might be the first guy who's touched her.
/r/seduction01/09/10 08:26 PM
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I wasn't talking about that, though as a girl, you can definitely safely relegate the step-taking to the guy if you leave obvious enough IOIs. I just think, unless you can deliver it with good confidence, explicit statements about what's going on just make things awkward. That's why women invented IOIs, so you can nod suggestively at the night's narrative without yelling, "We should fuck tonight." (Though again, if you can deliver that one with confidence to a guy you know is interested, it defi…
/r/seduction01/09/10 07:38 PM
1

Taking this a bit too literally...
/r/seduction01/09/10 04:59 PM
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This is tongue-in-cheek, but perhaps something you identify with. I also think it makes a very true statement about what approach is effective with men.
/r/seduction01/09/10 03:54 PM
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laugh at his jokes, if you think they're not funny. FTFY. A girl laughing at your jokes isn't necessarily an IOI. A girl laughing at your bad jokes is.
/r/seduction01/09/10 03:32 PM
2

Join a gym, consult a physical trainer to create your own diet/exercise plan. The truth is, if you have a hot body, and an OK face you'll be at about a 7 on the hotness scale. How you present your body (e.g. how you dress) is about 10 times as important as what your body actually looks like. Guys constantly underestimate this. We constantly infer the attractiveness of a girl's body solely based on how she looks with clothes on.
/r/seduction01/09/10 03:18 PM
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always seem to go for girls who are coy. Here's why. I've had girls be very straightforward with me, who I've been interested in, but the straightforwardness itself was a huge obstacle. Here's why: men really do like straightforward women, but we play the "plausible deniability" game too. When you throw out direct statements very explicitly without some kind of matching physical escalation, there's suddenly this awkwardness barrier the guy has to cross. This especially true when a girl starts ta…
/r/seduction01/09/10 03:12 PM
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Check the seddit sticky. You'll find such classics as: *Is there a subreddit for dating advice for women? *Is there a seduction that's aimed at women seducing men? *Girl here: What things can/does a girl do to move up or down in rating?
/r/seduction01/09/10 12:18 PM
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Yes. Having any girl there for you besides the one you're chasing makes the chasee want you more. Men have known this since prehistoric times. I don't see why you see yourself limited to those options though. Pursue things with Cute Girl, see how it goes, just don't declare yourself dating and exclusive to her because you saw a fucking movie with her or kissed her. Simultaneously, you can pursue Hard to Get Girl. Dating around is fair game until you're fairly serious, i.e. a good few weeks to a …
/r/seduction01/09/10 04:15 AM
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Girls tell each other everything. She's telling her friend to tell you the signals she wants you to give her. This man speaks the truth. Not only is this girl dropping IOIs, she's helping you facilitate the whole thing. Jesus. She's dying for you to just touch her. Christ, next time you see her, KINO KINO KINO, make constant fucking eye contact like she's your prey and KISS HER.
/r/seduction01/09/10 04:03 AM
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Seriously, if she's interested she'll respond. Don't deny her the possibility to show her interest.
/r/seduction01/09/10 03:58 AM
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Naw, it makes sense. I consider myself a mild feminist partially for this reason. I believe both in "seducing" women and in clear enthusiastic consent. If reading up on feminism results in my having more to talk about with feminist women, great. The pickup community often acts like feminists are the enemy and vice versa, but feminists are the fun ones. They're the ones that don't have to be herded through hook up process like it's wrong. EDIT: typo
/r/seduction31/08/10 06:46 PM
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The interesting things that /r/feminism and /r/seduction have in common.
/r/seduction31/08/10 06:22 PM
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That's how New Zealand works. It's a wonderful place. I need to return.
/r/seduction31/08/10 06:02 PM
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That's a good canned opener for seddit ;) It's just a question you have prepared to get a group into innocuous conversation with you, fail-proof. You should always have at least one just so you don't have to wonder what would have happened if you'd actually talked to that girl but you "didn't have anything to say". I try to incorporate my real-life into these. When my sister was graduating college, I opened like this: "Hey, quick question for a female. My sister's graduating college, what's a go…
/r/seduction31/08/10 05:15 PM
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Jeans: don't walk around in the pair of pants you mom bought you for high school. Stop at a relatively modern place and get a few new pairs. In terms of shirts, a size smaller might fit you quite well and certainly makes you look buffer. Also, having a few belts in a variety of colors are a great subtle way to draw attention to your beltline as well as your fashion sense in general.
/r/seduction30/08/10 05:46 PM
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What's attractive to women: guys who have their own lives going and their own ambitions - guys, in other words, whose time they have to compete for. All this "don't call her for 2 days", "give time before you text" rules, they're are designed to mimic all that. If you actually are busy, it takes that much less work to appear busy. It also makes you a more interesting person.
/r/seduction30/08/10 03:35 PM
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There are a number of "love-building exercises" mentioned in a Scientific American Mind article. I've also heard constant dirty talk throughout the day helps keep the attraction. Note: armchair advisor, all is speculation to me.
/r/seduction30/08/10 03:04 PM
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Def. agreement on dressing well. Not formal or preppy wear, but just spending the time to look decently fashionable in a pair of jeans increases your allure and intrigue. And a note to sedditors still choosing schools: your best bet is a party school with a decent academic reputation. If you at least go to a large school, you simply will get laid unless you have outright uncorrect Asperger's. Small liberal arts schools, for example, have no hook-up scene at all. On the other hand, "I drink alcoh…
/r/seduction29/08/10 05:33 PM
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I had a great escalation during a moderately intense movie. I had my feet on an ottoman and our feet touched. This lead to footsie and hand holding. I had her in bed that night, even though only 1 hour previous she nearly froze up over a kiss. Lesson learned: all roads between A and B are not equal.
/r/seduction27/08/10 03:59 PM
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A friend of mine showed A Clockwork Orange on his first "date" with a girl. It worked for him anyway because it appealed to this whole "strange guy" vibe she was digging him for.
/r/seduction27/08/10 03:56 PM
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Pro-tip: you can get away with a lot of things if you're not speaking your native language. You can be overly poetic and/or overly sexual and it will be chalked up to your inexperience with the language and the culture. Also, if you can learn the common ways people misspeak, you can exploit it, for example, I learned that "excitado", which you'd think would mean "excited" is solely reserved for "sexually excited" in Spanish. Also, venir means "to come" but if you use it in the reflexive (venirse…
/r/seduction26/08/10 11:32 PM
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There are better ways to ask.
/r/seduction26/08/10 11:27 PM
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I just saw the whole thing as too apologetic. A girl has no reason to be offended that she's charming enough that you want a kiss. She might not be ready for it, but entertaining that she might be "offended" strikes me as beta behavior.
/r/seduction26/08/10 06:52 PM
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Facepalms? Yes. Asking for analysis before trying. Always do first, analyze later. Go to a bar. Make it a priority to have fun with your friends. Pull nearby people into your conversation whenever a debate arises, but your goal should be fun, not scouring.
/r/seduction25/08/10 10:18 PM
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You ...gasp...consulted the original study, rather than read what some reporter with potentially no science background thinks it's about? And you TL;DR-ed it for us? That's some fine work there, Lou.
/r/seduction25/08/10 02:39 PM
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You must if you keep responding to me. My very own secret admirer!
/r/seduction25/08/10 02:01 AM
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Aw shucks! ::blushes:: Didn't realize you liked me that much!
/r/seduction24/08/10 10:24 PM
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Can't really do it. No time. You need to organize nice long rides with your friends and invite girls along. You can talk to them then easily.
/r/seduction24/08/10 09:41 PM
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As usual. Didn't realize you and I were acquainted.
/r/seduction24/08/10 08:37 PM
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I was stuck in a feedback loop for a while. I would try to overcompensate for how I thought I was being perceived, and this would just do me in worse. I was always trying to prove I could be taken seriously, which ironically resulted in my being taken less seriously because I was trying so hard. Even if you find someone who really does want to file you in that box due to your height, when you don't play along with that narrative, they can't do shit about it.
/r/seduction24/08/10 07:38 PM
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Except Dan Ariely points out that we're probably much more superficial online than in real life, simply because things like height, income, and weight are the only searchable parameters.
/r/seduction24/08/10 07:15 PM
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I'm taking it a step further: what they say != what they think != what they want.
/r/seduction24/08/10 05:41 PM
1

Kevin Connolly is 5'5"..
/r/seduction24/08/10 05:31 PM
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I would accept that a nice muscular build is more important than being towering, esp. along the evolutionary lines of "mate protection" and providing.
/r/seduction24/08/10 05:27 PM
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Meditating, sailing, reading (non-PUA stuff), going on long bike rides, doing dinner parties with friends.
/r/seduction24/08/10 05:04 PM
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A lot of men are consistently labeled ... and have no clue what it means. And they still don't after reading this. There's no evidence to support that the labeling this guy's run into from women has any bearing in reality on how they will act toward these men. In seduction, you have to distrust what women think they want anyway, since most of them don't know.
/r/seduction24/08/10 12:59 PM
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The vast majority of men are attractive enough to hook almost any girl if they just stop getting in the way of themselves.
/r/seduction24/08/10 02:03 AM
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I'm 5'3". When you accept yourself and stop doing things as a result of how you think people perceive your height, your height won't matter. I've been at this for a while and just got my Inner Game together and honestly feel at no disadvantage relative to tall guys. I'm so used to being around very tall people that when I talk to tall women, it's not an issue. No one even mentions my height and women I ask later seem shocked when I mention how short I am (probably because I have a "big personali…
/r/seduction24/08/10 01:59 AM
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I mean people don't like men that do it either, but being a know-it-all is particularly unattractive on a girl. A really good place to learn the seductive, don't-rock-the-boat, you're-so-manly charm (which Robert Greene calls "being perfect courtesan" ) is actually a strip club. The women there are very good at charming the men, being impressed by anything the men know, and never ever being catty. Every time my friends and I head to a strip club, I'm impressed with how well the dancers keep thei…
/r/seduction23/08/10 11:06 PM
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Clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs parties clubs part…
/r/seduction23/08/10 10:57 PM
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You mean the book that's quoted in that article as one of its main sources?
/r/seduction23/08/10 10:38 PM
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I'm a slight Asian girl Great, go into the dog pound and announce that you have steak... I've actually conducted a survey on reddit and Asian is easily the most popular ethnic fetish. Of course, you can utilize this as well. Being "exotic" makes you automatically stand out from the crowd. You can also play up your Asian image in how you dress, do make up, etc... Being Asian also gives you an excuse to say all sorts of risque things. You can say something really sexual (e.g. "is it true guys hold…
/r/seduction23/08/10 02:21 PM
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For short-term mating strategies, men have been shown to display lower physical standards. Interestingly, for short-term mating strategies, women often adopt higher physical standards. (Explanation: the sexy son hypothesis )
/r/seduction23/08/10 03:39 AM
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There are so many options available to women these days without surgery. The whole notion of "you" and how hot "you" are is highly open to choice. I'd say the biggest thing is how you dress. Most women look similar enough naked but the way they dress sets them apart like night and day. There are women with perfectly decent bodies who just dress terribly in an unflattering way. You have all sorts of choices with how you do makeup, mascara, eye shadow, etc... All sorts of subtle styles to pull off…
/r/seduction23/08/10 03:36 AM
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Yeah, if you just learn the material and spit it out without congruence, without getting a sense of what fits, you do just come off like a douchy asshole. Negs, insults, teasing, aren't necessary. If they're not working for you, scale them way back.
/r/seduction22/08/10 03:36 AM
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good way to spot pick up artists from a mile away I hope you're not just learning this stuff so you can shoot down guys. People in general (not just women) are better to be around when they play along with things rather than spending their time trying to call out others.
/r/seduction20/08/10 08:53 PM
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The most socially liberal countries in the world are the most promicuous, urrite.
/r/seduction20/08/10 07:46 PM
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Obvious troll is ....
/r/seduction20/08/10 07:06 PM
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And more of a welfare state. David Buss mentions in Evolution of Desire that there's a correlation between female financial independence and promiscuity.
/r/seduction20/08/10 06:24 PM
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you are has ALOT to say Agree.
/r/seduction20/08/10 06:22 PM
1

MISSES BOUVIER MISSES BOUVIER MISSES BOUVIER!
/r/seduction20/08/10 02:38 PM
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"Hey, I don't want to offend you, but I would really like to kiss you right now". Excuse me Madam, in the event that your ladyship, being hopefully not taken aback by my unscrupulous boldness, could possibly be convinced to grant me a kiss......
/r/seduction20/08/10 01:05 AM
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This was an epiphany to me when I saw a friend of mine talking to girls: You do not need to constant inject conversation. Luls are ok and happen. This whole injecting of frivolous talk into a situation both can put you on a DLV treadmill of talk talk talk, you don't hear much from her, shit shit I'd better keep going talk talk talk. And even if you're not worried about what it does to your own value, you need to consider her emotional state. If you feel there's a constant need to talk talk talk …
/r/seduction19/08/10 11:08 PM
1

Totally, and everything Mrs. Robinson leading up to that scene is so peremptory. That's a frame.
/r/seduction19/08/10 09:44 PM
1

Just the idea of a woman feeling lonely and being honest about it and dealing with it by gettin' some.
/r/seduction19/08/10 08:45 PM
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I've encountered two solutions in my reading: You don't need to hear her at the beginning anyway since you're doing 90% of the talking. Most "don't lean in" rules specifically are applicable at the beginning. Tell her to speak up. E.g. There was one guy posting here that said he'd sustained some hearing damage in the army. He'd mention it and no one would have any problem speaking to it. So either make some reason you're bad at hearing/understanding in a loud club or maybe tease her, "Speak up, …
/r/seduction19/08/10 08:42 PM
1

Nah, the whole story.
/r/seduction19/08/10 08:32 PM
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A decent pair of jeans and a sports team t-shirt. Some kind of ostentatious belt and necklace. Flashiness is more important than dressing particularly well.
/r/seduction19/08/10 08:24 PM
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Wow, that's Janis Joplin soulful right there.
/r/seduction19/08/10 08:21 PM
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I'm 26 and was out with my 28-year-old friend. We had two 32-year-old women totally into us but made the mistake of not trying to f-close that night. When we asked them how old they thought I was, they said 32. And I'm a short guy. If you come across like you have a decent sense of what you're doing, you being younger doesn't come up. My experience is older women are a bit bolder in their little teases, they basically neg you. If you don't get riled up/defensive when they do, you pass. Also, old…
/r/seduction19/08/10 08:11 PM
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