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Soft degrees? What are you even talking about? Hypergamy = marrying up in social class. Not marrying someone with better looks, not ”social dominance”, not higher relationship market value. The most beautiful and nice woman in the world could marry a disfigured stinky man who has a higher social standing than her and that would be hypergamy. You obviously missed the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 07:17 PM
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Social class is not defined like that. Looks or youth or agreeableness don’t factor in. Class = upper class/middle class/lower class.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 07:04 PM
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Hypergamy however refers to education/money/social class.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:36 AM
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Height and size disparity cancels out the intimidation factor - even if someoene actually intimidates men the person might in fact feel like a prey.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 03:26 AM
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Literally the same man that proposed the theory claims that it is not supported.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 03:19 AM
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Supply and demand. Check out his latest video.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 03:17 AM
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Hypergamy refers to education and income. Men have a stronger preference for ”dating up” in looks in terms of relationships, and they tend to do - slightly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 03:14 AM
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Oh god don’t ask here. Irl, I’ve heard men complain about women having sex to early because it indicates they’d do that with other people as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 02:48 AM
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Yet prostitutes haven’t replaced ”real” relarionships. You’re missing the validation factor
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 02:46 AM
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Imo, women who ”hit the wall” got all their appeal from their youth. They weren’t attractive to begin with, but their youth could hide some of it…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:35 PM
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80% chance to get pregnant in one year instead of 90%. Thing is, most people with issues that age had issues younger as well:
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:32 PM
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These guys are all very neurotic lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:30 PM
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No, TRP promotes antisocial behaviour
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:27 PM
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More educated people divorce much much less often - but it’s usually the woman who initiates it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:15 PM
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Cost inflicting mate retention tactics. Outside of the redpill it’s associated with the woman being of higher mate value and the man having low self confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 12:12 PM
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Nobody claimed any of that. It’s just showing the perspective of younger men with access to women. And yes it would be cucking in the sense that they give ”their” women to old men. Never did any of this ever imply any of my own views.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 01:54 AM
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Oh lol, I didn’t see that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 07:44 PM
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I work the same way and I’m a woman. Guess I’m horrible and lack empathy as well…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 12:42 PM
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6’0 or so. I’m not into very tall men, as that feels to scary to me, but it’s not like I’d reject someone for being to tall but medium height is better. Defined jawline and face but not harsh facial features. Nice hair, preferably brown. Athletic body but not gym bro-looking. Should be an athlete (or at least was). Educated (both re formal education and being well read). Very intelligent. Income should be above average but not ultra rich, would make me feel like a prostitute. Hobbies like those …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 12:37 PM
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In the US maybe. 12% of men and 11% of women in my country are in favour of ~restricting~ abortion. Right now we have 18 weeks free abortion so the discussion is whether this should be limited to 12 weeks. It’s rare to find anyone who is against the current law let alone against abortion overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 12:22 PM
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”You are not Andrew Tate” 😂 What a stellar example of a high value man!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 12:15 PM
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Yeah his comment is absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 08:56 AM
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Were you creeped out or felt assaulted?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 08:52 AM
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I do find it interesting that they can’t seem to fathom any other reason that jelousy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 08:48 AM
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That was somewhat common where I went to school. Given how women mentally mature earlier and it’s a matter of a couple of years, I find it in no shape or form comparable to what TRP calls age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 08:47 AM
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I’m at an age where guys 15-40 hit on me, and the old ones gross me out. So Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 08:44 AM
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Most men in my social circle my age are against age gap relationships, but they don’t struggle with women at all. Promoting age gap relationships would be cucking themselves to older but ”accomplished” men. Even had a friend who dated a much younger guy, (she is in her early 30s and he 25) who talked about how much better young guys are and that she’ll soon realise that old farts aren’t worth it. Most women aren’t overly invested in the topic. They find someone like DiCaprio creepy, are bothered…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 08:40 AM
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Studies indicate that if a woman is attractive physically, men like that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 08:34 AM
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No, you simply struggle with your deductive thinking as well as making logical conclusions and seeing patterns given how you mention enrollment in a course. You seem to think in simple singular steps and analyse phenomena based on very few base premises. In addition you just talk about something confidently whoch you absolutely lack any knowledge about. Let’s make it simple so that you understand here: Me: Very good at maths and physics, but pretty much very good at everything. I decided to stud…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 09:34 PM
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1) The highest level you can take 2) National standardised tests 3) Only 1/7 women with top grades in maths study something technical. And I mean, this is completely irrelevant in the first place. A lot of people who were mediocre but work hard and have a lot of self confidence take those classes. Math knowledge =/= math ability. Someone who decided to study medicine but was better in maths is better in maths than someone mediocre who studied soemthing technical, even if the latter has learned m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 08:30 PM
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Do you know what correlation is?
/r/ExRedPill09/03/23 08:08 PM
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Women consitute the majority of the top grades in advanced high school maths.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 08:08 PM
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The average man has an IQ of ~100. Logical processes my ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 05:40 AM
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Men aren’t ”better at maths”, and maths relies on crystallised intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 05:37 AM
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4-5.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 05:25 AM
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I’d assume it depends on the intelligence of the man
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 05:24 AM
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Not her, but I would chose the $40k dollar Ivy league alumn
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 05:18 AM
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No, there is something called sociosexuality which will modulate the openness, which will vary depending on attractiveness but only within the range of her sociosexual orientation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 05:15 AM
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I find someone’s appereance more attractive in motion (compared to a pic). Like, just pure appereance, without knowing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 05:09 AM
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I’m not generally attracted to men older than me. Well, I prefer late 20s. If he looks young for his age and is attractive I could tolerate someone in his early 30s. He also has to compensate in all other areas. Nobody born before the 90s though. I’m in my mid 20s. Might be more open to theorethical age gaps at 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 04:58 AM
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Of course. Another important factor is that things are more heritable under normal developmental conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 02:40 PM
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No, I’m not insulting. If a teacher in school concludes that you lack reading comprehension, is that an insult?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:55 AM
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Ok, so it’s you having some troubles with reading comprehension. I don’t see how you could arrive to that conclusion logically based on what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:43 AM
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Are you saying this to provoke or can’t you read?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:39 AM
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… that’s called twin studies
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:38 AM
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Autism would not be the same thing as having a lower IQ but alright
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:05 PM
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Whether people tell you that isn’t neccesrily indicative of lower intelligence though, so… And yes, he is somewhat right
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:03 PM
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IQ is very much real and very heritable, but what this means is severely misunderstood including the implications in regards to differences between races and environmental influence. Jordan Peterson acts like “IQ is from the Lord” because he is a psychologist and it’s his field of expertise.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 03:37 PM
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No, genitalia or sexual attraction is not comparable to general traits at all. There are differences but: - They apply to averages, an individual is a data point - They are usually rather small, meaning that the differences between individuals is much larger than the differences between the average for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 03:36 PM
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If women disagree it’s because they’ve seen men in real life prioritise looks more strongly
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 08:40 AM
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What are you talking about? You’re wrong. The smaller the age gap the less likely a divorce is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:34 AM
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Women are attracted to elite older men? Lmao what?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:33 AM
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Because they want money
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:33 AM
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Yesssss!!!! Average age to get married in the 1800s in Sweden was 27. And usually 2-3 years age gap. And according to my own genealogy, that wasn’t even all that common among nobility either. Plus among nobility, it wasn’t even the people themselves that chose their partner, usually the parents did and women were “promised” to other families very young. Nobility really wanted to get rid of their females.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:13 AM
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According to statistics in my country men want less of an age gap than do women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:10 AM
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That old men have bargaining power is some sort of RP fantasy in an attempt to make the world fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:09 AM
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Western countries have never had large age gaps, those 0-3 years have been standard for the entirety of the history of the western world. Funny statistic - in the west, women want larger age gaps in their relationships than do men (still within that range).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:08 AM
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Yes intelligent women if we use education as a proxy for intelligence are more likely to be married/less likely to be single and have lower divorce rates
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:01 AM
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Social psychology is a small subset of psychology. subset: a set each of whose elements is an element of an inclusive set. : division, portion. a subset of our community. core: the part of something that is central to its existence or character. No, interdisciplinary in the sense that it doesn’t fall under ”society sciences” nor ”natural sciences”.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:01 AM
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No, you are simply ill informed. Social psychology will touch upon this as it is focused on individuals in social contexts, and that’s the possible potential ”overlap” with sociology - yet unlike sociology it’s still an individual focus. The closest cousin is probably ethology, though cognitive processes naturally are much more central to psychology. This was just an example, but cognition, perception, memory, emotion, decision making - the underpinnings and consequences thereof. That’s not a su…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 01:12 AM
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What does this have to do with intelligence?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 01:03 AM
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I live in the west, and unlike in the US a lot of men see it as deal breakers if a woman isn’t career oriented
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 07:16 PM
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Wait, how does intelligence relate to single motherhood?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 07:15 PM
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Because those men might simply not be intelligent themselves. Usually people want others that are similar to them, and intelligence is one of the main traits where people tend to ”assortatively mate” i.e. look out people that are similar to them. If a man is very intelligent himself, he tends to value that in a woman as well. The IQ and educational attainment of partners correlates more strongly than any other trait. A man with IQ 100 doesn’t have any use of a woman’s intelligence in the same wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 07:14 PM
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I think you might confuse psychology with sociology. Sociology is studying social behaviour, relationships etc. In my language ”social science” is called ”society science”. It was called that in english too apparently. Typical fields are economics, sociology, law or political science. You study things related to humans as a group. Usually universitites when they can’t use the term behavioural science for psychology put it under ”50% medicine, 50% social science”. Behavioural science might be the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 07:07 PM
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I don’t know any sane woman who does
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 05:19 PM
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This isn’t a study but a university essay.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 04:34 PM
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It wasn’t a study
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 04:34 PM
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Social sciences? Psychology doesn’t study society at all. It’s if anything a behavioural science or a multidisciplinary science. And. This isn’t even a study but a university essay.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 04:29 PM
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No. Or rather: I know some people who never converse with women who do who in theory would be great. Some of them work in very male dominated areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 04:27 PM
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I can understand why they struggle
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 04:24 PM
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Very young women tend to be picky with looks and dislike age BUT are more naive. As for a couple of years younger. Guy (who was older than me) told me once that his dating range is +- 5 years but ”women older are probably not interested”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 04:20 PM
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They do
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 04:18 PM
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Yet you still have the same references and grew up with the men a couple of years older. I’m at the age where my brain is done lol, but I still relate more to men maybe two years older.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 04:18 PM
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How little social skills do you need to have to think that women who say ”I’m a ten” actually think that?!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 04:16 PM
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It’s not simply supply and demand here. Younger women tend to have lower standards (but not in terms of looks). They’re more likely to be ok with a guy being broke, mean, treat her badly - but likely have higher standards in terms of appereance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 04:13 PM
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Is ANYONE impressed by cooking and cleaning other than it being a nice gesture?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 04:32 PM
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You missed the logic. You have anxiety over being a ”beta bux” when your problem seems to be that no woman wants a relationship with you without eventually leaving you, while short term works fine. That makes zero sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 04:24 PM
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Career women tend to lean more to the right.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 04:18 PM
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You can’t keep relationships and find women to hook up but you are worried about alpha widow and being a beta bucks? What the f.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 04:16 PM
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I would assume most people have friendships with both genders
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 12:24 PM
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The body standard for men is don’t be fat, the body standard for women is be slim but also have curves and perky boobs also you need to have long legs… I think you project your own sexuality
/r/AllPillDebate21/01/23 10:22 AM
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Right, better buy a jar with good pickles than eat a shitty sandwich with pickles in it…
/r/ExRedPill21/01/23 08:46 AM
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You are literally contradicting yourself by saying that yes they do and then that women are misleading or kissing ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 02:29 AM
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Yes this a thousand times! Nobody where I am would want to publicly announce a marriage at that age. I know multiple people being together for a decade and then marrying around 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 08:18 PM
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The fact that women worry so much about own bodies shows what women think in regards to female bodies in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 08:12 PM
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I mean in part because it is simply too mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 05:32 PM
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I think it differs depending on country - where I’m from, it requires grades so high that it by definition can’t be a catch all education.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 12:43 PM
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Where I am, it’s one of the degrees requiring absolute top grades with the most “normal” people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 12:24 PM
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Psych is something you study when you excelled in school but found medicine to icky and practical
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 12:23 PM
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Don’t bother, he doesn’t understand. Maths and languages are very similar and especially linguistics as a degree. I excelled in maths but found linguistics interesting precisely because of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 12:20 PM
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I find this interesting as I always found natural sciences very easy. Just read and understand - not very intellectually stimulating.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 12:18 PM
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There is some truth to this. People with high scores in both the verbal and non verbal domain re IQ are less likely to pursue STEM-educations than those with high scores in the non verbal domain but average scores in the verbal domain.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 12:17 PM
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Any education which requires top grades to get accepted into: That means psychologist, physician, a business program at one school, some engineering programs, and law.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 12:14 PM
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This is really funny for someone from my country. Almost hilarious. In my country, while law requires good grades, it’s harder to get accepted into the psychologist program and it’s not uncommon for people to first study law but change when or if they get accepted as many people that didn’t get accepted into the psychologist program decide to study law instead. Lastly, it’s seen as very beneficial for someone who studies law.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 12:08 PM
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That doesn’t exist in most of the world. Taking a single course in any field will not provide an adequate picture of the field as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 12:06 PM
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I find it very funny overall, not only the way he lacks understanding of it as a field, but also because where I am it’s 1) one of the hardest educations to get accepted into (psychologist and physician > one degree at one business school > two engineering degrees at one specific school > law) 2) high status It’s also the program which correlates the strongest with high SES.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 11:57 AM
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Are you maybe in a social setting where the average IQ is a bit lower?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 11:48 AM
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Oh do you really think women actually mean that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 11:46 AM
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You have to try to put yourself in the perspective of these women and don’t make conclusions based on what you see. Telling someone that their face is ugly or that a certain body part is is simply substantially meaner than commenting on someone’s sense of style, and results in other social consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 11:40 AM
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You seem to lack an intuitive understanding of statistics. It’s simply a ludicrous claim which you can neither support with reason nor actual data (which a correct understanding thereof).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 11:29 AM
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I mean, he doesn’t even understand the mechanisms behind why it’s unattractive. It’s primitive and signals low cognitive ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 11:24 AM
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I find that extremely unattractive! Tackling or sophisticated play including collaborarion and team work can be hot but I find them fighting during the game unattractive as it usually is a primitive behaviour that directly damages the ability to win the game and succeed. I’d lose respect and consider a guy stupid if he started fights like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 11:23 AM
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I mean; most men don’t either. It’s fully possible to adopt that lifestyle
/r/ExRedPill17/01/23 06:29 PM
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Oh absolutely
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:28 PM
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Just try to find male friends or talk to women who have happy relationshops
/r/ExRedPill17/01/23 06:24 PM
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Nothing wrong with your appereance, and I saw that you don’t think your body is ”masculine enough for women” - I’d look into BDD. Lastly, your image of women has changed. I assume that you mean that women care about appereance. But don’t you do the same when you talk about ”what type of women” you want?
/r/ExRedPill13/01/23 04:41 PM
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I thought the manosphere advocated against fathers acticely raising children, as they see that as something ”womanly”.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 04:38 PM
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I personally don’t like that look, I prefer a bit more masculine men. Not big and rugged but he looks to ”soft” to me.
/r/AllPillDebate10/01/23 08:25 PM
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You mean as a woman?
/r/AllPillDebate10/01/23 08:02 PM
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Ironicallt these guys look more ”safe”. There are some studies showing that women avoid men with hunter eyes for casual sex (compared to the same face without ”hunter eyes” because we perceive those as pursuing a short term mating strategy. A lot of men that have a lot of sex are not ”Chad” looking but prettybois.
/r/AllPillDebate10/01/23 07:58 PM
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Not only a gendered thing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 09:06 PM
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Well, if a man is using scarcity towards her, she’ll just see it as him not living up to her minimum. It will get him dumped very quickly and doesn’t help at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 09:05 PM
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Yes haha, if a man acts like that he isn’t even an option. Women dump a man like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:54 PM
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Never, I would never allow myself to be treated like that. A man treating a woman like an option gets dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 08:54 PM
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I think this is what is different here. Couples that tie those more closely might be less happy because it becomes a requirement not a bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 10:35 AM
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I think that people who need to have a lot of sex for a relationship are more likely to be unhappy with it, when the frequent sex is more of a requirement than a bonus. People who find worth in their relationship outside of sec might be people mire likely to be happy. I think people overestimate time. More sex in this case might mean less sleep or no time for other aspects of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 10:26 AM
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This type of men you’d maybe call entitled type of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 10:20 AM
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Oh god no! Most men don’t look like Clooney. And right now Clooney is still ”to old”. Every man that looks good now looked better young. For women my age, men at 30 can be fine, if they compensate through being extra hot. But even men slightly under 30, my prefered dating demographic, it’s not like the ”fine lines” or duller skin is more attractive? Some men have a lot of baby fat facially and peak later of course, which can weigh up, but honestly, that can apply to women as well even though wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 10:19 AM
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Usage of medical help is not relevant. Women go to professionals way more.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 10:13 AM
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A 15 year old can date a 17 year old, a 25 year old can date a 30 year old. And from 30 on, larger age gaps. Due to brain development every year is equivalent to more years in terms of maturity, the brain is finished at 25 approximately. The thing is, it’s not just relevant to ”have an opinion”. It’s not a common phenomena. Most people (men and women), desire to date within their age up to 3 years. In the west, women want larger age gaps than men on average (by a year or so iirc, and this is wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 10:06 AM
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It is brain wise!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 09:59 AM
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This is interesting but itl might yield a different picture. Some points: - Someone can prioritise something last, but still put relatively much weight in it. - Someone can care about something a lot, up until a point is met, and then not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 09:57 AM
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Ok? Who mentioned education? I’m saying that men dating that young women barely exist, probably because women don’t want to. But if we want ro talk about education, generally if you talk about ”rich” men, they rarely date uneducated women. Source: that’s my social circle. So it’s not the ”gotcha” you think it is :) But it’s not even relevant, nobody mentioned it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 09:07 AM
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That’s not even relevant. Point being it is not normal, and no woman wants that. It’s not about moralising, it’s educating men that women don’t want old men. 25 and 30 nobody cares about, larger age differences than that barely exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 12:22 AM
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Disagree, would never date a man over 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 02:28 AM
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Maybe, i looked worse at 20. Very puffy face.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 02:25 AM
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She initiates once a week - sounds normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 02:11 AM
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I’d f out of a man did that to me
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 02:10 AM
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Oh haha, likewise. I see that way more often than the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 01:49 AM
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Some of those bullies are not even bullies at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 01:43 AM
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Yes, and this idea that that guy is a bully, especially that he bullies her, is just a male fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 01:37 AM
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No
/r/AllPillDebate08/01/23 01:33 AM
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Being good looking is not a personality trait
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 02:27 PM
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Teen idols have always looked like that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 04:24 AM
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Agree. Looks and personality and compability over any extra money all days in the week. With this being said, there is a money/education threshold. Just don’t be poor essentially.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 04:21 AM
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Wrong. Even in non monogamous societies the absolute majority of relationships have been monogamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 04:20 AM
5

It is very fair. If you don’t find it fair, go and have an open relationship. But you are essentially demonising monogamous relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 04:19 AM
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I think it depends. Very short maybe not, but… overall I agree. Height is just very easy to filter for on social media, but in practice I’ve never seen a good faced short guy struggle ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 04:19 AM
1

Prostitutes?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 05:11 PM
1

Ok, that’s rare both on his ad the female behalf
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 04:37 PM
1

The average man that is 30 wants to date a woman that is 27 and have casual sex 26. Studies show that if a woman is in her early 20s men around 30 will reject her for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 04:08 PM
3

Most humans live pretty similar lives, not unique to women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:32 AM
4

They are bitter, angry, resentful…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:21 AM
1

No hahah
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:20 AM
3

I see more angry, bitter and resentful men or at best those that try to play overcontident among that demographic. People that have had success early on have a certain calmness about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:20 AM
1

I mean; it is insecurity but it’s pretty fine to be insecure. I would not like someone who sleeps around. Usually, where I am, it’s men that bully other men for being insecure in regards to BC. ”Oh so you feel like you can’t compete with other men” or plain out calling them insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:17 AM
1

I don’t agree with it being playing games neccesarily, but else I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:15 AM
1

90% of women young get pregnant within a year, 80% of women above 35. A woman that is 30 has at least 10 fertile years ahead of herself. Technically more, and that’s the biggest difference in modern times, women stop having children much earlier. The average age to get married where I am from was 27 in the mid 1800s. So first child at 27-28. Unlike now, it was much more common for women to have children at an older age. Nowadays women tend to have 2 children, say at 30 and 32 and call it a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 07:12 AM
0

No it is not seen as acceptable. And 25 and 30 is not something people bat an eye about, even though it’s not so common.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 03:53 PM
1

The demographic is RP, blue pill is simply ”normal humans”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:28 PM
1

I have thought about this myself actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:27 PM
2

That’s some american thing. Where I live the norm is one week at dad one week at mom after divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:26 PM
3

Wdym? Female sex drive goes up with age. That doesn’t mean women peak looks wise..
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:25 PM
2

According to the red pill you should have become more attracted to him 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:20 PM
1

Lol yet the men here think that they increase attractiveness by looking at other women. ”The dread game”. I’d get ”the ick” if a man did that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:19 PM
2

Sure, but both these scenarios are rare. Average norwegian 30 year old man states 27 as his prefered age for LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:17 PM
3

Wanting more than 2 children is certainly possible for women that are 30. Do you think women become infertile at 33?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:16 PM
1

Haha yes, and it’s not like men being late bloomers seems to be the norm. These men use Clooney as representative for all men, even though most men will never age like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:15 PM
1

It would mean 1 or maybe 7. 5 is the case for men as well, more men willing to commit with age but there is a reason why they are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:14 PM
3

50% of ”fertility issues” women over 30 have are due to the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:12 PM
1

Ofc women know men don’t get HORNY at her career. It does matter for dating and marriage though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 05:34 AM
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Yes that’s why women have anorexia and do plastic surgery 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 10:05 PM
1

Yes, it is. And for the person outside a marriage, fornication.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 04:18 AM
1

Adultery was generally illegal…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 04:10 AM
1

Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 04:08 AM
3

Ideological belief in trp
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:59 AM
8

But almost no women are interested in him? Almost all women despise him???
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:57 AM
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Ah I’m sorry I read 20. And I agree, you should not marry someone you aren’t excited about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:33 AM
3

Manipulation goes beyond pumping and dumping virgins. It’s also about lying about ideological beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:26 AM
4

Do you support manipulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:56 AM
-1

The women are also having as little sex or relationship as the men. It's just a general zoomed thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:05 AM
-1

Maybe she compared him to men her age?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:04 AM
-1

No, you claimed that humans are only "hormones and boners". The prefrontal cortex is a brain structure which differentiates us from others, making us way more than "hormones and boners".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:03 AM
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It usually comes across
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:02 AM
2

If I’m going to have a FWB, might as well have a FWB who has a boat and luxury box season tickets right? An exaggeration but the point is people who have money are fun to hang around with because they can afford to do cool things. No, even when it isn't involved in her actively getting to use those boats or what not. Simply that men with higher status are seen as more attractive to sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:02 AM
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I don't think women with a N=0 and more traditional values want to date RP men as she can't be sure whether he sees her as a fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 10:05 PM
1

I'm sorry you lack a prefrontal cortex!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 09:49 PM
2

Indeed. It also shows no respect to individuality between different men and different women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 09:48 PM
0

When a woman is more beautiful, the man is at higher risk to use "cost inflicting mate retentions tactics". That's things that TRP promotes i.e. putting her down to make her feel insecure, but is usually considered abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 09:47 PM
9

Interesting since status and things like that apparently matter for women when selecting hookups as well...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 09:46 PM
2

Most relationships form from friendships and people usually have been friends over a year when it turns into friendships. I think both can be the case, or she just don't see you as compatible partners. I can like someones personality but can't imagine forming a life with them or getting along as partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 09:45 PM
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This is very accurate. Both male and female users of dating apps score higher in sociosexuality. There are more religious women than men, but to me it sees like some of these people online want to both eat the cake and keep it in terms of religion. Very few of these women will want a non-religious man who is "based and red pilled".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 09:42 PM
2

Where I live you always have a right to record something you are part of. I don't think anyone approves of abusers, male or female.
/r/ExRedPill29/12/22 09:40 PM
1

The risk for Downs syndrom among children born to women 45+ is 0.34 percent. 5 percent of fetuses have it, but the risk of older women having miscarriages with children with Downs syndrome is higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 09:36 PM
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In that case, I don’t see why someone would ”use that against” someone? That’s often a positive. Using against I’d only imagine if they are a literal abuser.
/r/ExRedPill29/12/22 07:25 PM
2

Do you mean women that go for men that have a harder time than they themselves have in finding a partner? Like women that date down?
/r/ExRedPill29/12/22 07:13 PM
2

But of course it is better to have children before 40. That’s what has happened in modern age. We have a very prominent decrease in old mothers compared to 150 years ago. It was 10 times more common to have a child at 40-45 around 1870, and 20 times more common to have a child at 45-49, compared to how it is today! The age for the first child has increased a bit, a few years. The average age for a woman to marry during that time was 27, so 27-28 was the average to get the first child. Compare th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 06:24 PM
2

Oh yes there are studies in har also show that men with high prenatal testosterone are more agreeable overall with women than are men with lower. (On average).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 03:37 AM
0

Redpillers and incels? They seem to be disagreeable and narcissistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 06:35 PM
0

Purple pillers being "nice guys"? Maybe NiCe GuYs ™, but it's among the least nice people I have met. Angry, mean, bitter, resentful.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 06:33 PM
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Like I said. There are gender differences. But they are very small and account for very very little in terms of how traits and behaviours differ. Do you study neuroscience?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 04:59 PM
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I mean, it’s natural that emotion affects our behaviour, but it’s hilarious as they claim that women are emotional irrational beings whereas men use logical thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 04:43 PM
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I find it interesting as it rarely comes from men that are actually capable of logic and reason. Generally highly intelligent men tend to appreciate my company as they as well as me might struggle finding people that are similar to them in that regard among their peers (male and female). But yes indeed, and it shows that they act upon emotion instead of trying to accurately assess a situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 04:40 PM
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If you actually study neuroscience you’d know that any gender differences are to small to make sweeping generalisations like these.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 04:35 PM
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I think she’d appreciate a conversation based on rationality rather than emotional insults ”you are fucking indistinct”.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 04:34 PM
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I think you missed what I said. The risk is increasing, but it is still very small.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 04:22 PM
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Height: 6’0 is ideal, but not rare where I live (about average). Income: I don’t care that much. Just a normal income. We don't have much income inequality where I live and you live can live well on all incomes so it's a matter of luxury. Actually being very career minded is a negative as it shows bad character. It's way better to have a normal job one is passionate about compared to having a "career". Usually men that hit on me tend to have jobs or educations I'm not interested in dating. (Fina…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:23 PM
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The risk is still comparatively small.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:10 PM
1

Ugh do you have studies on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:08 PM
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0-3 is the typical I know of. Some people up to 5, but less so. Iirc 0 is the most common age gap. Funnily enough - while most 0-3 age gaps have the man being older, all actual age gap relationships I know of has the woman being older.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:03 PM
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Yeah only high scholers accept that. And generally they only accept it for younger men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:24 PM
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My mum got my youngest sister at 42. Me at 29. She has a better life, as does my sister she got at 31 somewhat. One thing it taught me is how important it is to focus on having a stable life before having children. Most people don’t want more than two children, so age is not the biggest factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:22 PM
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I think it’s especially important so that women know approximately how fertile they are. Someone with fertility issues surely might need to start earlier. My mum had a complication free pregnancy at 42.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:20 PM
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That’s true for both men and women. People that failed to pair off.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:18 PM
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There was a study in Norway saying the average 30 year old man wants a woman that is 27 for LTR, and 26 for STR.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:17 PM
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Yes, I think in the 30s, age gaps such as 5 years become somewhat more common. So a man at 35 could marry a woman that is 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:16 PM
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Not really the case for most people unless you want to decrease standard of living. Having an amount above replacement rate is not an issue. Most people have 1-2 children because they want to, that’s it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:04 PM
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Of course there will always be someone who is desperate ☺️
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:44 PM
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And older. I want to know the distribution, where I’m from it’s a bit embarassing to have children young.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:34 PM
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My point is that they are still leftovers if they are single by 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 04:33 PM
1

What does cap mean?
/r/AllPillDebate27/12/22 03:26 PM
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More than 50% age gone by her menstruating. Risk increases but it’s still small. Same for men fwiw.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:26 PM
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No, 30 is the average age to get your first child. ”Come with children already”? Not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:25 PM
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Impressive, do you think women in their late 20s want to date you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:25 PM
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80% chance of getting pregnant in 1 year compared to 90% chance when younger. 8% is hilarious, is that egg count? Most eggs are lost before a woman even menstruates.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:24 PM
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There was a study on this. Norwegian men that are 30 prefer women around 27 for something serious. Meaning, him being a bit older, but not much. Also asked anonymously (and it was answered anonymously) on a forum and the only person who mentioned that say early 20 would be preferable was a woman who was told by her boyfriend that ”women lose value, nobody wants to be with you when you are older” ie a sign of insecurity because he is using cost inflicting mate retention tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 03:19 PM
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That’s because dating apps mimic the more typical ”dating” culture, but they aren’t common…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 11:08 PM
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No I did not say I’m from northern England, but north western Europe
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 11:07 PM
2

This is not about casual relationships though?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 11:07 PM
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Oh and no ”paying for dates” even if the men here seem to want to pay sometimes, even when the woman doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 06:05 PM
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When you get drunk your inhibition lowers and you can’t think upon consequences. When sober the prefrontal cortex makes us don’t act upon impulses, be able to redirect them or actually don’t feel them in the same way. Getting horny sober might mean consciously being able to turn that off. Not so with alcohol. At least you got your the proof that her waiting isn’t ”lacking attraction”. She is attracted to you and would have slept with you were she a more impulsive person. But she wants to feel co…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 06:04 PM
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The woman that would get the nickname ”communal mattress” is the common answer anyone who isn’t chronically online would answer, however apparently these men want casual sex with women even if they themselves aren’t handsome, however never with a ”slut”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 05:59 PM
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I see a lot of men on the street I’m attracted to that I would never have sex with, so why does this sound weird? I only eat healthy food now, does that mean I dislike dessert? It’s a matter of impulsivity. Drunk women sleep faster with men, but they certainly have lower standards looks wise. Current research shows that what we like in LTR is the same we like in STR. Kind, sensitive, confident, assertive, successful, handsome men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 05:56 PM
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The US is not ”the western world”. It irritates me how americans constantly assume that their way of life is similar to ours, but american demenour seems more similar to the non west than it does to Scandinavia, Germany, Austria, Swizerland, Britain, the Netherlands and so on. Where I am you hang around with men and women in your social circle. But when you date, you are exclusive. If someone goes to date multiple people it is safe to assume that that person will never hear from their date ever …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 05:53 PM
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This is dumb, tallness is inherited
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 04:57 AM
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We CAN control our instincts, that’s what separates us from animals. Our prefrontal cortex even makes it so that these instincts aren’t even that strong. We are simply civilised.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 04:56 AM
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What it means, generally gender and income equality tends to make men more masculine and women more feminine fwiw. Nope, that’s a matter of sociosexuality 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 04:36 AM
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In these studies they'd control for factors such as education
/r/AllPillDebate21/12/22 10:06 PM
1

Not dating someone who earns less is not the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 09:33 PM
1

Who talked about STEM?
/r/AllPillDebate21/12/22 09:23 PM
1

What on earth are you talking about?
/r/AllPillDebate21/12/22 09:23 PM
1

I'm sorry... can you rephrase?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 09:23 PM
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But it's not due to attractiveness. It's that they pursue a "r-selected" mating methodology. Low IQ men and women have a different type of sexual behaviour, can't delay aversion and so on.
/r/AllPillDebate21/12/22 09:14 PM
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It's less "impulsive" and based on scarcity. Not on "hunter" mode. Even male sexuality becomes more responsive in a relationship. So basically, she might not think about sex randomly, but with some flirting she gets more in the mood, after kissing she gets more in the mood, after some touching she gets more in the mood. This is why some couples have issues in the bedroom. He initiates, she isn't in the mood. But this is very exaggerated and binary.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 09:11 PM
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Looking at porn and becoming horny would be responsive. However randomly think "shit I'm horny" is not responsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 09:10 PM
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You have watched to much Andrew Tate. Women aren't prostitutes, it's not a sign of a woman being attractive. Money and education matters but it also has to do with parental expectation. Will you feel ashamed? Will this person be a social misfit? I think in countries like Saudi Arabia it might work like you mention. However. I'd rather say that most women would not want a large financial disparity since they don't want the man to be able to use it against her. "Oh but I payed for".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 09:06 PM
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1/3 of variance in sociosexuality is explained by gender. In gender and economically equal countries, the variance is smaller. That's why even though we can talk about tendencies, make assumptions based on gender is a futile attempt. This is essentially a matter of sociosexuality. But. Most adults have friends they are not interested in for sex.However sure, I somewhat agree. But this is why I think that we need to distinguish attraction and desire. You can find someone sexually attractive but d…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 09:01 PM
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In my culture, self confidence is valued in the sense that you should not display behaviors that can seen as insecurity. If you say you only want a virgin, men would bully you for being insecure. Now this does not mean that high N is status.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:57 PM
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None of this exists irl, go off the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:56 PM
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"However, for women a mans weight is hardly part of the equation." It matters a lot, probably more for men than women - as it's much more unhealthy on men. "What women really want is a guy with broad shoulders and small waist who is muscly, however body type isn't the first priority." Not really. There is a cognitive bias where we over-exaggerate certain attractive traits in our mental model of what an attractive body looks like. So slimness is attractive and muscles are attractive - but the ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:55 PM
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It's 20-50, and it's 20-50 for women as well. Slutty men and women share each other. The 20-80 is a dumb concept as it assumes that women would accept polygamous men but be completely loyal themselves. There women rotate men as well. (This does not include emotional manipulation of course)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:49 PM
1

Depends on the woman...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:41 PM
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I've thought about this a lot and yes, I do reflect on it automatically.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:38 PM
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Yes, because that entire environment is about overcompensating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:36 PM
1

And being tall means the child will inherit tall genes...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:36 PM
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I hate peacocking, it feels compensatory, like a gorilla that needs to "assert" his masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:35 PM
1

Right!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:34 PM
0

This is delusional. Women don't want men that feel the need to be better in everything. Nobody will be better in everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:33 PM
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That’s the case for most things in the world. Why bother when other people have it better isn’t a good mantra.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 12:52 PM
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What’s the big issue?
/r/AllPillDebate18/12/22 09:48 AM
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Men that have low mate confidence and perceive a women to be above his league are more likely to be abusive
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 04:43 AM
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If a woman doesn’t do that she is a bad partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 01:40 PM
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Because female sex drive more often is responsive. If the man doesn’t want it, she doesn’t want it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 01:05 PM
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Not really, the change was very slight.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 01:03 PM
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Monogamy has been enforced by men in general (even if they desire it less in theory - on average, that is, the individual differences are larger than gender difference) because they realised that a likely option or result from the alternative is to not being able to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 01:03 PM
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I understand that it makes you upset that she challenges your views. It can be hard to deal with. However, her reasoning is that female desire is responsive and reliant on the man. Male desire is more spontaneous but even in a relationship it becomes more responsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 12:30 PM
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This is some fantasy unless you have a prostitute or live in Saudi arabia.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 12:27 PM
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No it’s not normal to want men to pay or provide for you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 10:25 AM
1

For someone living in Western Europe the standards is what is the norm in Western Europe
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:45 PM
1

But this is actually perfect for the men here as it means that they don’t even neccesarily compete for the same women!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 11:12 AM
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Oh you mean Chad in the sense of a successful man not neccesarily a successful and masculine man? Yes indeed prettyboy type of successful men tend to like women like that. She is a perfect example of women liked among ”anime” type men, but not so much by the ”masculine successful man”. Justin Bieber, Nick Jonas and Nial Horan are of course desireable to many women, but they are ”prettyboys”. Remember again what I wrote about dimorphism and neoteny not being the same. Neoteny can look very boyish…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 11:06 AM
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Not really as my post shows. It’s an example of how they still like beautiful women, just not the same ones… and no, it doesn’t seem like that at all nor is it supported by science. Look at who represents the anime fandom and the women in there, look at the wives of say NHL players. I actually asked a person to ask his hockey team and the preference for Dua Lipa was uniform compared to Belle Delphine. The shorter a man is the shorter he wants his woman (8 cm shorter). Sexual dimprphism is also n…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 10:54 AM
1

I’d thing plastic surgery is a negative in terms of dating
/r/ExRedPill16/12/22 09:37 AM
1

Thank you ☺️
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:51 AM
0

The North American population is not relevant for someone that doesn't live there...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 07:40 AM
1

I’m talking about conmitment here
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 03:20 AM
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It has created it’s own social hierarchy in many ways tbh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 03:13 AM
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No, women don’t call other women gold digger. I think female wish for marriage or even any ”men paying for her” is often social validation…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 03:11 AM
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Yeah that is so weird to me, that they think that they are the male version of her 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 02:12 AM
0

Right but the dating pool for women is younger men and the west is not only the US
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 01:42 AM
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Of course, so even if they did date down in looks, they might get out much more in total. That’s the other thing they don’t get. But chances are it is both, and that he does prefer these women looks wise too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 12:54 AM
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The point is that it thrives of validation
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 12:53 AM
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And since he ”gets to chose” chances are he simply finds these women attractive, even if other men prefer other women, so he probably doesn’t even settle in looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 12:52 AM
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Right, and even if they also have own children they can have a more chill life. Some of the positive dad experience without the same demands of investments.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 12:01 AM
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No? It is not better, you are the one giving value to men. People here tend to be a specific subtype of men that might not interact with women at all, or most men for what it’s worth. It is natural that you don’t meet them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:55 PM
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Yes exactly, she is one of the main people men I know find attractive. My point is that it is not other men ”dating down”, it is them actually prefering Dua Lipa.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:15 PM
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Yes, but I see other men here claim that Dua Lipa is not very attractive but that people would date her because of other factors, despite her looks. I claim that just because they consider her less attractive does not mean that other men do…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:11 PM
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That’s the whole point of this post. Other men think men ”settle” in looks for women that look like Dua Lipa, but that’s not the case. No lol I have a normal social life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:10 PM
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Yes exactly, I’d ask on PPD. That’s not a good sample of the men that people in this ”manosphere” consider ”Chad”. I have never met any man in real life who’d prefer Belle Delphine. Heavy consensus for Dua Lipa.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:00 PM
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Hahaha. Oh you missed the point. I don't talk about all men, I mentioned how different men have different preferences. I actually have never seen a man in real life like Belle Delphine, only Dua Lipa who they talk about. This is what I try to teach those men here, that while she is popular among anime fans, or maybe among the average man, the men they are jelous of have different views. I notice she has a huge following. I asked a person to ask his sports team, and Dua Lipa was uniformly prefere…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:52 PM
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No, because why would less masculine men thus prefer these women then? So the more attractive a man is, the less he cares about appearance?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:49 PM
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No. I live in a place where the average is 6'0 and we want "180 cm" aka 5'11 (because it is a round number). It is not mediocre, it is the ideal and the average at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:39 PM
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The average western guy is not 5'9. The West is northwestern Europe, the average height is 5'11-6'0.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:38 PM
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Well, the thing is, we can't. I'm shocked what some of my friends like... I think I'm very "stereotypical" in what I like. Good looking and masculine but also handsome (not grug), athletic body type (no "dad bod" and low bf, but not roided or gym look). Preferably does sports, is also decently motivated career wise. He is nice when warranted and can control his emotions, but is not a pussy to other men. Friendly. It seems like many women like "pretty boy" looks to a higher degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:28 PM
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In his late 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:14 PM
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Yes, I don’t see it as a negative (only when it becomes to much). It’s mostly other men that complain. There is also a problem when men tend to have an idea what women like which might not fully correspond to what they actually like and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:13 PM
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No I mean, the Chads that only have looks become undesireable after say 30. They become undesireable to younger women because of their age, and to older women because they don’t have anything else. This is unlike a man who also has other factors, as money and wealth and carreer and personality this or that matters more with age. Haha what are you talking about? I mean that they don’t necceserily go for less attractive women per se, it is very attravtive women they like, but of a certain ”type”, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:12 PM
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Right, these men hit the wall too! I’m seeing that men tend to say that a woman is less attractive if that woman has strong facial bones, so for them this ”Chad” dating women like that means dating down. I’m talking about women like Dua Lipa here fwiw.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:02 PM
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Right, but these women tend to be ”less good looking” in a different way than they would be to other men. It’s not a general punching down, but also punching in a different line. The Dua Lipas or the Belle Delphines. For a man that prefers the Belle Delphine type of women, a man going for the Dua Lipa cathegory but then also not only for those that are actually as hot as her, it might seem like dating below his league a lot - but to him it is just dating down a bit. In those circles, these women…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 10:01 PM
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6 feet is the avergage where I live. I am also in a white country. He says women younger than him are less interested in him fwiw and go for younger men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 09:41 PM
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This poses a lot of problem for the RP "beta bucks" narrative as it doesn't really exist here. Men don't even pay for dates here (but apparently want to). Instead the providing part we select for traits that make someone seem like a good father and partner ("good personality"). That together with appearance becomes more important. Our men are known for being "vain". So it's completely irrelevant whether someone will have money or pay, but it's important whether he seems like someone that will pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 09:28 PM
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Point is that you can't say therapy is dumb and suggest methods used in therapy (behvaioural activation - depression is upheld by avoiding reinforcing behaviors)...
/r/AllPillDebate15/12/22 09:06 PM
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Right but that completely changes the dynamic and context. If she desires a man she feels wanted, if she doesn't she feels assaulted. If it's someone she likes she trusts him more and sees him in a positive light so it is not feeling "dominated" or forced.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 09:05 PM
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Scandinavia
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 09:04 PM
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"It gets to a point where your only options are single mothers with multiple kids who are meh about you at best. You would think these women would appreciate a guy taking on all this no matter how unnattrctive he is but they are just as judgemental as women with options. At this point prostitution seems better than a below average guys relationship because neither are real." Single moms have options. I know hockey players who rather willingly date single moms. Men that themselves sleep around mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 08:54 PM
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I as a woman can tell you that it is the reason number one and that is pretty clear given that women find it attractive if they like the man, but not if they don't. Women want to feel special sexually. Female sex drive is highly narcissistic. Men also want to feel desired, but for women desire is dead if he isn't into it. Men might dislike star fishing, women would dump a man for the equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 08:30 PM
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I guess it is less common here maybe as there is less of a "withhold sex and want resources" but also less of a "withhold resources and push for sex" type of dynamic here. I live in a more economically equal country but also a more egalitarian country. That tends to make sex differences more pronounced - but we can also see that women and men have more uniform views on sex and relationships here and more similar sociosexuality. Less transactionality I assume. Our men are seen in a bit of a contr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 08:09 PM
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No, and I assume that is because when a woman has casual sex, it is casual. Men might have the desire for having multiple women, but for men p&d is risky business in ensuring sexual availability. Of course that "something more" could also have meant FWB as I mentioned, but still. Men that p&d maybe do that because the woman gets clingy and he doesn't want to give her false expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:31 PM
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I mean you have a point - friendzone isn’t even friendzone. However men can retiliate so women try to be careful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:05 PM
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Never done that. Apparently a majority of men would have wished their ONS turned into something more (well FWB counts here). Know of a guy who complained that he usually gets matches from older women on Tinder (not much older) and they see him as a boytoy while he is interested in a relationship. He gets pumped and dumped. Another man complains he can’t find women and seems to belive he is less desireable. Why? Because the women aren’t willing enough to wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:00 PM
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As a woman I’m answering this. It is reason number one. Female desire overall is very narcissistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 06:39 PM
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Asian phenotype is more suitable for ”Chad” genetics in theory tbh, it doesn’t play out that way because of a smaller size and so on.
/r/AllPillDebate15/12/22 06:33 PM
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Yes, agree. Asian men have race wise a high potential. My neighbours are chinese and while the parents are 5’7 and 5’3, their son is 5’11 to 6’0 (grew up in Europe) and has a stronger jawline and cheekbones than any of his friends.
/r/AllPillDebate15/12/22 06:32 PM
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Part of what you learn in therapy
/r/AllPillDebate15/12/22 05:18 PM
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I mean not even neccesarily facial features. White men are bigger and stronger and more grown, and tend to have objectively stronger facial features, but relative to themselves asians have stronger facial bones and more ”hunter eyes”. If asians selected for size in the same way you’d have very masculine men the way asians were portrayed in media maybe during the 80s or so.
/r/AllPillDebate15/12/22 05:18 PM
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She is still hot. Hot and unaccessible for other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:03 PM
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They definitely care
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:03 PM
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I think blue pill and black pill has some overlap 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:01 PM
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I notice this as well…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 04:50 PM
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Right and I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 03:18 PM
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No, haha I made a post on this but I said that this is the wrong assumption TRP has. Only a small portion of people have sex transactionally. And men have ”validation sex” as well (amount of partners, attractiveness of partner). Casual sex gives them economic benefit as well, but indirectly through paying as little as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 03:16 PM
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So TRP promotes men visiting prosititutes as their method for casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 08:21 AM
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Hahahaha, I know that your intention is to seem ”cool” but it’s actually not. I guess children and parents are simps. Pair bond is human attachment and ig someone doesn’t they should maybe visit the psych.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 08:20 AM
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How can TRP be against casual sex as it promotes it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 03:03 AM
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Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 03:00 AM
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Pickiness is associated with a more restricted sexual behaviour so it makes a lot of sense. That’s my experience as well. These ”alphas” (as in behaviour) are less picky for relationships as well, even though these people claim they’d be more picky than other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 02:54 AM
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But how is the aim of TRP trad?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 02:50 AM
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Yes this is what I see as well. Most men that behave ”alpha” in real life are like that. I notice the men seem to be a bit more relaxed and tolerant of women having a past too… 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 12:18 AM
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He claimed they do it for free drugs as well. Despite 10% of women smoking cigarettes, suddenly women as a group tend to be around drugs. Drug dealers I know of tend to prey on specific type of women, and they only have success if they look good. But yes they have very good social skills. They also don’t have success with most of their customer base but with women that are vulnerable. (In my context there are people that do cocaine to a higher degree than the average I’d assume. These are not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 11:27 PM
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Yes, essentially an intermittent reinforcement conditioning schedule, which is more effective. Due to the human ability to reason that type of behavior also has to be done in moderation as most people get annoyed at game playing. The amount of neg tolerated also differs a lot, and in what way it can be done. Most women would like friendly banter and teasing, some of the negging would not be tolerated at all. For most people things like this come natural, but can be learned somewhat. The problem …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:52 PM
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Women like men that exhibit traits that indicate good genes and good partner/parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 09:22 PM
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Yeah wow do they really think wrinkles and balding and less muscles is hot?
/r/AllPillDebate14/12/22 08:09 PM
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Because emotionality and emotional expressiveness is associated with a more female type of behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:07 PM
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She is using Tinder. Tinder has an imbalanced gender ratio. If men think they’ll find casual sex on Tinder they are wrong. Men need to 1) dumpster dive 2) be in contexts with alcohol 3) find out promiscious women (lower class for example). Of course, that’s what drives men to TRP and makes them reason like that. If you were handsome you’d have no issue being here as it would not represent your world view. But as you say…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:04 PM
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Since TRP is an ideology it makes more sense to call that ideology RP. In practice I see this in other forms too. It’s men that have slept around more that seem to be more willing to go for ”used goods” so to speak even in terms of single moms (for WC men). They both have the mentality ”it is just your turn”. This doesn’t mean attractive men per se, just WC men with unrestricted sociosexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 08:02 PM
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Usually being more composed indicate less emotion. Maybe you simply are more ”emotionally expressive” without feeling the emotion, but that’s also a feminine trait tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:37 PM
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Cigarette smokers = 10% More women smoke cigarettes than take drugs —-> Less than 10% of women take drugs
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:35 PM
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Because I know how women behave towards men, and I don’t have confirmation bias. A lot of men only meet a small subset of women. Unlike men here women are in the social circles of men that men here try to emulate, so we can offer some insight.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:32 PM
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That’s an emotion and lack of composure. Bold is equivalent of speaking louder. You are not holding a proper calm conversation. You might be a teenager, they are more emotional everywhere. Americans don’t count as NWE as you behave more like foreigners.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:24 PM
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I’m not triggered here, I just notice that you are using language that indicates that you are upset. Of course attractiveness matters a lot. However. The type of men that would most likely ”tempt” the average woman into casual sex =/= the men that actually sleep around. The men that sleep around are usually sleeping with promiscious low standard women. Of course having casual sex doesn’t make men an alpha. You sound like a teenager treating sex as a big accomplishment. Everyone can have casual s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:20 PM
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No, it is what logically follows by your claim that women like drugs. But obviously that’s not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:16 PM
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”Loooool” is a strong expression of emotion. But I assume that you aren’t from NWE. I mean it is known that men from other countries are more effeminate, but not that they behave more emotionally than women. It’s pretty cute actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:15 PM
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That’s pretty rare to sleep for money. I’m claiming most men don’t think like this. This is the dark triad mindset and the way TRP claims everyone thinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:14 PM
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You claim women use drugs. If that is true, it means that a larger portion of women use drugs than cigarettes...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:53 PM
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Thank god I'm more patient, I'll try to answer despite you not listening. Of course women decide it, as it is a supply and demand factor. In the end, women decide success. That some guys have a lot of success with uglier and looser women is not a matter of being alpha. A poor person being able to buy a lot crappy bags at the bazaar through haggling does not make him more successful than a rich person buying one Hermès bag. What is Alpha is the men that rate the highest in looks. The correlation …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:52 PM
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There are diminishing returns in terms of money. You have 6 weeks of vacation, people usually travel during these weeks. Yes, you'd be able to have a 5 star hotel instead of a 4 star hotel, but what's the worth? The loss in having to date with a prostitution based mindset is larger (because of a potential tradeoff in terms of looks and personality) than the benefit of the extra money. I'd argue most women here don't want to date men with very high incomes as it is seen as a sign of greediness. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:45 PM
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Yes I mean there is a guy claiming that women love hanging around with drug dealers for free drugs. Ten percent of people smoke, and a third has tried. If he really thinks that this is representative for women then drugs are apparently more common than cigarettes. I apparently hold them in to high regard in terms of ability to reason. There is a small percentage of women that behave like this, which seem to, in addition to them projecting their minority views, serve as confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:37 PM
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Don't forget your blood pressure medicine, you really seem to get overwrought with your writing in bold. (Well, it doesn't say who did that for what it's worth. Money is also a factor, so I guess women divorce men when they aren't beta enough. All women don't end up with the best man there is on earth ever, but they end up with better men than they went for before). Women report higher attraction when men are attractive and when they see men as more competent (beta trait). Also, you seem to take…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:30 PM
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Well in practice it is almost twice the amount that a couple has. And no it isn't, as 42000 per year very well covers basic expenses and leaves plenty of money for luxuries. Students get around 1000 dollars per month, and especially if you are two you can live pretty decent lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:23 PM
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I think you are being very emotional right now, take a deep breath, and then try again to speak in a more composed manner. ------------- In this regard, maybe 20%. This is where the principles of "the red pill" might apply. Obviously dark triad traits are normally distributed, and the average person will not want to be extremely sacrificial to an ungrateful partner. Of course, it's only the outer extreme that actually qualifies for a diagnosis such as NPD or ASPD. However, that usually plays out…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:17 PM
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What are you even on about? Women date up progressively, as hypergamy states (wanting to upgrade) and as the statement that a man should try to date a woman as early as possible i.e. before she has learned her "value". Then the pair bonding to her male partner will prevent her from dating up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:13 PM
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Like I said, for most women it starts with BF and ends with AB. Nobody can try to be an alpha as that is a looks based thing. To try to be BF is not very hard lol, it's just essentially women having low standards. I have no problems in real life, I'm trying to help the men struggling thus ending up here. That's why I'm writing this. I'm trying to give a perspective on how things work for normal people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:11 PM
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So drugs are more common that cigarettes?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:08 PM
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What you can see in terms of aging is dry skin when a woman is thirty or so. By moisturizing the skin more, differences don't have to be as pronounced. Women that are attractive don't have to end up with someone that looks bad ever, unless they very highly trade it off for other things, but that sounds more like prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:08 PM
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I think they themselves have a higher degree of dark triad traits to be honest, which correlates with trust issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:05 PM
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I'm talking about all factors which includes looks. Alpha is looks. That's why I said they go from beta fucks to alpha bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:04 PM
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Indeed!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:04 PM
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Do you really think young women tend to like drugs? Most young people don't even smoke cigarettes, less than half have even tried it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:04 PM
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Where I live, marriages aren't an absolute norm. As far as I'm concerned most of these divorces include cheating or abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:02 PM
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No, they also trade up in terms of attractiveness. They trade up in all regards. Beta fucks to alpha bucks. As for money: In my country there is less economical inequality so there aren't really any rich people. If you have an average wage you earn maybe 3500 dollars per month, if you have a good income you earn 5000 dollars per month. I'd argue trading up in attractiveness is the most common.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:01 PM
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Because my former thread got locked as I flaired it as discussion, but it was apparently not neutral. It does seem as a contradiction, as it claims that women date down progressively instead of dating up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:59 PM
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This is so true and also why women should downplay appearance as an active strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:54 PM
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No, the equivalent is the husband getting fat or stop going to the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:54 PM
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If you are a bartender, chances are women slept with you because they were drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:53 PM
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No. It's just a natural disgust for it. Plus... This is worse than casual sex as she didn't even want him physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:52 PM
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No. 1) He shows signs of bad impulse control and mental underdevelopment 2) He is unstable and is parasocially cheating, this is even worse than normal porn 3) Not only is he cheating, he is to much of a loser to have women in real life The fact that it's usually not average people who do this makes it even worse as these people already have a lower chance with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:50 PM
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The opposite is actually true. A more attractive guy doesn't have to contribute as much with things such as money, skillset, competence, drive m.m. so a woman will be more fine with an attractive guy giving her a lot of attention, but be more bothered by a less attractive guy trying to get into her pants or locking her down instead of showing potential contribution to a relationship through focusing on career or hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:48 PM
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Yes and no. A man that is only focused on getting in your pants or trying to "lock you down" for his own sake is less attractive than a man investing in his future economically and skill wise. This means a moderate prioritization of work and hobbies is important and attractive to women as it shows you are determined and it makes you seem more competent, ergo more to bring to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:45 PM
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It's usually men that are more "beta" by TRP definition that don't. The promiscuous dudebroy guys usually end up with women that are similar to them in personality. I come from a more "beta" social class, and the men from the working class ("alpha") are the ones that are more likely to be fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:41 PM
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Women do this throughout her 20s, I'm not talking about how divorced or older women date. Didn't you get that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:36 PM
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I'm so sorry you didn't get it. I won't ask you to read again but will explain instead. Well, maybe my bad for not explaining it simpler. I thought it was crystal clear and even wrote it in bullets. I also assumed you already know about what dark triad means or the different mentality for people of different sociosexual orientation. We are essentially saying similar things, minus that you missed the whole picture and didn't get the association between dark triad and promiscuousity/these strategi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:33 PM
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I agree, it is made for unattractive people that are dark triad minded to prey on mentally disturbed or sociosexually unrestricted women or obtain a money less trade with psychopathically minded women (i.e. give them the impression of validation sex). The problem is that TRP tries to universalise this. They also do it wrong and have no clue how narcissistic men behave. It’s not men that are overly rude. Not even ASPD men behave like that but rely a lot on ”charm”.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:10 PM
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No, I mean that most people assortatively mate and form a pair bond, i.e. non dark triad people don’t date according to this mentality. That these men and women end up being left overs and with each other is not against that, and of course they don’t pair bond. This small subset of men and women can’t do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 05:03 PM
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What you are saying about men is not true at all. It’s only true of those men that women lack interest in or those men that leftover women need to chose from. A woman being nice is being feminine. In fact, even sexuality is based on a woman displaying niceness. Bitchy women don’t get shit. Women want to date up less than men, as women are more careful, fear of cuckoldry is stronger in women. Being nice is showing safety and protection. AFBB is false as the most attractive men have higher standar…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 04:48 PM
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Your source is Wikipedia. I’ve read countless studies from Google Scholar. I don’t think I found a meta study, but certainly studies with a somewhat similar methodology. I do belive that unrestricted individuals put more effort in their own appereance though, as that seems to be the reason why narcissists are perceived to be more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 02:26 PM
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In no movies do women date bullies and druggies.
/r/AllPillDebate13/12/22 07:09 PM
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The point of nice guys is that they are fake nice or not nice at all but claim to be themselves
/r/AllPillDebate13/12/22 07:08 PM
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No it isn’t. The association is stronger for men between sociosexuality and appereance. For women there is very inconclusive studies. There is some association with self perceived attractiveness, but especially testosterone (bisexual women). These women tend to have less hypergamous preferences, akin to less attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:06 PM
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The average man where I live that is young is 6’0, taller than our ”180”. We like average heighed men, ie 180-183 cm because it’s objectively more genetically fit, not because it’s taller than other men - because it’s not. We don’t even understand nor know ”6’0” until it recently became a meme. We find the imperial system stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:40 PM
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”Do better” doesn’t matte rbecause it can account for height queens. The matter is What the average woman prefers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:38 PM
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Yes! And… in Europe that actually IS the average. You can’t brag about it as something special because it’s normal and average. But we still like it because it’s is objevtively good.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:37 PM
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No, women want good genes. Why do we in the West want men that are 6’0 even though that’s our average and not ”taller than other men”? Because it’s a sign of peak genetic fitness to be around that height.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:36 PM
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No because I live in a place where the average person is about that and that’s our ideal preference. If you tell someone your partner is 6’0” they wouldn’t react.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:35 PM
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Why was the person in the prior relationship to begin with lmao? No it is not ok to be in a relationship with someone you aren’t happy with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:33 PM
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But that’s not true
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:13 PM
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Not true lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:12 PM
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Not true lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:11 PM
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Party girls I knew were never the pretty ones, ever
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:09 PM
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Being a Stacy means being attractive not women that throw themselves over guys. That’s cope so men can think that the women they have a highest chance of having sex woth are attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:09 PM
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Yes the ones that behave like they say Chad does is likely to be with a woman with a high BC, cheat arpund or even single moms. Handsome men that aren’t usually match up with beautiful women that are calmer as are they
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:07 PM
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That association is weak and not the case for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:06 PM
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You think the women saying 10 were serious? Lol! Studies show both genders slightly overrate but men overrate more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 03:54 PM
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Actually yes but no. Women have a stronger bias for their own female friends, but are less nice to ”non tribe” women than are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 03:52 PM
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Women date down looks wise more often than men as men prioritise looks eversoslightly more
/r/AllPillDebate13/12/22 03:49 PM
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Women are according to studies much much more in favour of a straight out ban than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 03:19 PM
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How does it bypass courtship? Though if you mean to not try to trick women into going to bed with them, that’s seen as sometjing positive for women. Easier to sort out men that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 03:27 AM
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Exactly. When women are against prostitution we imagine ourselves as the prostitute, and this also tend to do it from a compassiob POV.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 03:25 AM
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Yes if anything women don’t understand it. ”Women feel like it takes away their power” sounds more like a man who himself feels like women have power over him, beliving that women are aware he perceives it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 03:23 AM
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What sort of sex work do women promote?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 03:21 AM
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Not at all. Men don’t prefer sex workers as they want women to willingly have sex with them. The men that go to sex workers don’t have power over women as they aren’t the same men women want. The fact that these men don’t might not brother women for casual sex is if anything a plus… I’m from a country with legal prostitution. Doesn’t affect dating at all. Being against sex work is usually driven by motherly feelings or an inherent fear that we might have to end up like that. Or worse our future …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 03:17 AM
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There are different facets of beauty that are, and there is a loose agreement in what is attractive. However, how these facets are prioritised and relate to each other varies. Rarely would someone find a non symmetrical, non dimorphic, very non average with signs of poor health attractive. But how much each is prefered varies a rather decent amount. So someone might prefer someone with say stronger bones and good healthy decelopment and very strong sexual dimorphism in features but not bones suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:33 AM
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And What does casual sex differ from masturbation in that regard?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 02:26 PM
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Preselction is a thing, group conformity is a thing (we can see this in all humans, but somewhat higher in women, but we can also see a difference between autists and non autists - however it’s not only for men but for things like paintings as well). But this idea that ”mEn aNd wOmeN woRk diFfERenTly” is bullshit. It’s also a factor that a man that is in a relationship becomes appealing as he is seen as relationship material (which is somewhat ironic). If you see women as a different species, lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 12:12 PM
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As a woman in my 20s - we much prefer broke guys our own age over men in their 40s
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:43 AM
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That makes zero sense mathematically
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 04:28 PM
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I disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 09:29 PM
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Sleeping arpund with gorgeous women is achieved through betabuxx.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 09:29 PM
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N-o. 1/3 of the variance in sociosexual orientation is explained by gender so it isn’t a sufficient not accurate explanation anyway. Regardless: A man that lacks sexual value is already sorted out from a dating pool for a woman. What’s so hard to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 09:28 PM
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Women at a certain level have options too, so… Also association between amount of partners and attractiveness is around 0.3 so, nah. It also reflects sociosexual orientation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 04:37 PM
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They do have a desire with the right man, but male desire for relationships is higher. For a man to have relationship value he needs to have sexual value however, a man does not have ”relationship value” void of sexual value.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 04:35 PM
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No, the logic doesn’t follow. ”Men can assume they have relationship value but struggle to create a sexual product that women want to purchase” Men cannot assume they have relationship value… Any trait you describe as relationship value is friend value and not even every man would be a good friend. Without sexual value a man lacks relationship value. Men have lower relationship value than do women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:44 PM
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But your affection and so on is not relevant for a relationship unless she finds you attractive. That’s called the friendzone. Doesn’t matter. Women gatekeep relarionships a bit, women gatekeep sex a lot. The only times in relarionships where men have the upper hand is if he dumpster dives.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:41 PM
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Major W for the woman
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:37 PM
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Men are a bit more than women, though both genders are on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:34 PM
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Yeah, if she dated him (which would be a downgrade by his description) not only did she date someone ”lower” but also someone who is less into her? Why on earth would she date him then.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:32 PM
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The number of incels is growing due to fewer people marrying young
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:27 PM
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No, men have somewhat higher standards than women for looks in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:26 PM
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”Plain face”. Or maybe he found her features very regular and pleasant. Averageness is a facet of beauty. People don’t date only on looks but also. Both women and men overestimate their attractiveness but men overestimate a bit more. Likelyhood is that you overestimate yours and you are not in the same league.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:26 PM
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They are related? A man that lacks sexual value lacks relationship value.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:23 PM
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No, overall. That you say a man can be sure of being relationship material sounds like the biggest cope of the century. Unless you mean to mail order brides that come from extreme poverty and he can pay for her?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:21 PM
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Men have lower standards than women for relationships too. This is just bullshit, also 1/3 of variance ”only” in terms of sociosexual orientation is explained by gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:54 PM
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Get females 😂
/r/AllPillDebate03/12/22 02:30 PM
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Men can assume they have relationship value? Are you for real?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:29 PM
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You don’t lure a woman in, the fish comparison is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:25 PM
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See, this is why female answers don’t satisfy you. Most women don’t even have that on their radar. Obviously if you ask how to get a woman they’ll give relationship advice. You literally have to ask ”how do I get casual sex from multiple women”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:25 PM
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Yes this is the best thing I’ve heard. I do think women givning advice tends to match up more accurately what is true for most women, and that the ”ask the successful men” says more about the women that this person is pursuing. But overall, ask someone like you who knows about the specific type of women you’d like to attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:22 PM
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But that’s what those men do. ”Sleep with gorgeous women” is often paired with semi prostitution tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:21 PM
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No it definitely isn’t because the casual sex advice might not even be from her own perspective. Women don’t have sex with every man they find attractive, which is the key here. My advice for casual sex for men? Find women that seem very impulsive or just ”open” in general, like hipster girls that like to go on raves, go for women clearly uglier than you and try to find them at parties. Highest likelyhood of success. That advice focuses more on what type of woman.There isn’t much a man can do ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:17 PM
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Yes of course we assume he asks how to get a girlfriend!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:12 PM
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If a man said something like OP such as ”don’t listen to women” i would GTFO of any situation like that. Sounds like an abuser mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:11 PM
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I don’t think it is that deep. But if you ask woman X and woman X is interested in relationships, she won’t give advice in terms of casual sex. Duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 02:10 PM
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The target audience (women interested in casual sex?) and the women that ”men that are successful with women” are around is different from women as a group. I think that is what they aren’t getting.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 01:56 PM
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Nooooo. Why? Because the ”women” these men have success with is a subset of women not at all representative. The men that have the most women in numbers might not at all be the man that has the highest potential to be successful with most women. Just because someone gets ”lots” of women from a specific small group it says nothing about what works or what is good advice. These men don’t have a representative sample. If their ”advice” goes against what women say, then maybe they aren’t speaking of…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 01:54 PM
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Supply and demand 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 12:32 PM
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My point is that supply and demand decides pure sexual value. A 6/10 woman has the same SMV as a 10/10 man because of this. More men want to have casual sex than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 06:40 PM
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Yes, but what I mean is that since it is a different market it can’t be compared. Supply and demand, if men to a lesser degree wanted to sleep with women that are not at the same point percentile wise then a womans SMV would go down. This cartoon is correct imo but it goes both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:02 PM
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Nah women want men that other women want but who cant get him 🤷‍♀️ Sorry but I don’t know anyone who thinks like that. It is a major redflag for relationships and the association with N-count and attractiveness is around 0.2-0.3 iirc in men. I know a lot of mid men who ”rack up” and inflate their bc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 01:23 PM
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There is a study on this on women. More attractive women are more discriminating in their attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 01:19 PM
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I think many people miss the assortative mating part. Men that I find attractive always look midly related to me… that sounds weird but honestly a lot of couples that stay together have some physical similarities. So a 6/10 with a specific phenotype looks better to me than a 10/10 with another.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 01:18 PM
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Well, supply and demand 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 01:16 PM
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Supply and demand. Female looks based SMV is higher than female looks based RMV. So they are in the same league sexually… even if they are different points. Then also think that there is room for subjectivity here so…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 01:16 PM
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Yes this i what studies show too. Men do have higher standards for looks than women, but are more willing to settle below what they want. Women tend to have a threshold mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 01:13 PM
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25-35 year old good looking physicians (or lawyers too, but would not date that)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 01:07 PM
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I reject men that seemed nervous nicely and those that are more confident in a more blunt way
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 01:05 PM
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Don’t lie. What might happen is that a while in the topic comes up and she wants to end it. For many people (maybe most?) 62 is a deal breaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 12:46 PM
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I meant not a long time. I want to know someone .
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 12:38 PM
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I think Stacey means hot party girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 12:36 PM
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To your TLDR: This was investigated. Chad gets 50% of the total sexual encounters. Chad here is top 20%. And you are right because 20% of the women have 50% of the sexual encounters. So it just seems like 20% of the most promiscious people sleep with each other. Also, men that have the most partners are not neccesarily the men that most women would prefer having sex even casual with. It correlates to 0.3 percent with attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 12:35 PM
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You get to know someone through social interaction. You don’t know a person by having sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 08:05 AM
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I think 3-5 dates is a long time. You need to know the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 08:05 AM
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Wanting a woman ro have sex early is also playing games
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 03:57 PM
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I think they say that to manipulate the female collective. It’s not normal for men to not be able to wait…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 03:53 PM
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No, it’s just wanting to get to know someone. ”Testing” is just absurd. That’s why dating is barely a thing where I am, you get to know each other as friends…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 03:48 PM
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Very true. This is why RP mentality fits and better mimics the behaviour of people in low trust countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 03:22 PM
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I’m not talking about promisciousty but that would br baggage in a man too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 12:40 PM
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Sexual availability is commitment. She is commiting to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 12:39 PM
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If men are ”the gatekeepers of commitment” as TRP claims. Well, then it is due to male choices. I don’t belive in that personally. Women might just as well want to wait…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 12:39 PM
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Why is it a power move to wait with commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:07 AM
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I don’t understand why waiting is playing games tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:05 AM
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Men have ”baggage” too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:44 AM
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No, many mid men want that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:38 AM
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The guys that did that which I know were the most attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:37 AM
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Increased male sexlessness is associated with increase in average age of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:36 AM
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Not talking about FDS
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 01:36 AM
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It’s neutral to say the best. Still immigrants but better than other immigrants is the reputation. I wonder why that stereotype differs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 12:41 AM
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It’s both. Both be liked more but also looks improvement or improve deaireable qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 12:35 AM
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Oh no, it’s about “seducing” men, make him like you and so on
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 12:34 AM
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Less attractive women are way less discriminate though so
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 12:33 AM
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I mean, it’s maybe different in the USA, compared to say, Germany or Sweden or Great Britain. Read that poles have a positive reputation in the US. Here it is. https://imgur.com/a/70X1nGT
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 11:42 PM
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This is actually not true, taller women have higher height preferences, taller women are just more willing to settle for height.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 06:08 PM
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Taller men have older wives than shorter men. Short men tend to end up with women that have a larger education and age gap to them relative to taller men. I wonder what applies to finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 06:03 PM
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In theory, but in practice? Taller men have older wives for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 06:02 PM
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It’s not usually the entrepreneurs though…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 05:42 PM
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A polish woman in Europe told me ”the reason I can’t find a western man is because they are pussies who can’t handle my polish dominance”. It’s so weird, the stereotype is that eastern european women are very demanding of their husbands and try to run over him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 05:39 PM
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It isn’t even true. However, women that are attractive tend to be more discriminating in terms of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 05:26 PM
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Attractive women according to studies tend to be more discriminating in who they prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 12:23 PM
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Yeah no you also have looks maxxing communities, femininity ”coaches”. Some videos teaching women ”allure” are occasionally are on tiktok .
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 12:15 PM
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I mean I guess. That’s just my point, wanting FMF would be as bad however of course her asking for that would have different implications.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 02:01 PM
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I assume if a partner wants to do non monogamy it is open for both. A relationship is a two way thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:13 AM
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Both is polygamy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 03:14 PM
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I mean, just because men want to be prostitutes doesn’t mean women want to. I’m jelous of men being able to work in heavy manual labour and get payed for it.
/r/ExRedPill19/11/22 02:25 AM
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No. It is associated with resources. When men haven’t eaten they prefer slighlty fatter women for exmaple. I think it has to do with moderately big is attractive but very big is seen as an indicator of fatness. Slimness is the most important, more important than WHR even. Meaning even though slim and good whr is prefered, slim and straight is better than fat and curvy. That’s because slimness signals youth thus long term fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 02:22 AM
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One can investigate that assumption but I doubt it. Poor men have stronger preferences for larger breasts than do rich men, and the latter certainly have more bargaining power.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:31 PM
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but you talk about women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 06:07 PM
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Right, but they lose it with age due to being broke. They hit the wall so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 04:45 PM
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Ok american.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 04:23 PM
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I meant the singular focus on body parts. Gay men thus function like straight men, where the brain is pre programmed to look at chest and ass but it is directed to men instead despite it not holding reproductive value in the same way. Whereas women holistically look at the body, if anything it might be shoulders and arms if we break down body parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 04:23 PM
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Studies show a peak at BMI 18.5 or so for attractiveness and then a steep decline below but a more gradual decrease above. The fact that 23 is better than 16 doesn’t mean that 18.5 isn’t ideal. Your argument doesn’t make sense. This idea that women stop ovulating at 19 sounds like some weird american Mc Donalds propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 04:20 PM
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Attractive broke guys had value. In their 20s there was also the additional hope that they’d make it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 04:19 PM
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There are studies on this which shows that humans (both men and women) get desensitised to attractive women and women in general, but not attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:57 PM
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I think my views are pretty conventional and by that I mean actually conventional. But alas: - These model guys blackpillers post. Some of them look homosexual to me. I like stereotypically handsome men but that is not actually good looking. Actors tend to be more attractive. - Super wide jaw. I like a defined and angular one and low facial fat, but not a super big jaw. - Well, super big muscles. I like muscles, but athlethic not roided. - And here is probably the most unconventional: A lot of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:51 PM
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I think studies show very slightly above average is prefered.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:40 PM
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What is this bullshit /sincerely a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:21 PM
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That’s actually more typical for gay men
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:15 PM
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Men prefer women that are 8 cm shorter than them. That’s still relatively tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:13 PM
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No, studies show medium is more attractive actually to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:12 PM
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I think they don’t count as runway models. But yes. I’ve definitely seen sooooo many men fawn over them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:09 PM
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They are supposed to be clothes hangers and that’s it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:09 PM
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Women would wear it for status among other women. Women apparently perceive other women with makeup as more dominant.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:01 PM
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I think 6’0 or whatnot is fine but truly tall makes me feel like a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:00 PM
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She is average
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:57 PM
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You are correct according to studies on that estimation. Men prefer 8 cm difference, which is I think a bit above 3 inches.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:53 PM
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Oh some studies on this actually. Men like height but not if she is taller than him. So 3.5 inch difference is ideal for men. In the west, this puts the ideal for a woman at 5’8 or so if I do my math correctly. But 5’6 might have the widest appeal since even shorter men will like it. In practice where I am, 5’3 and below it is a negative, and 5’1 is rejection tier. In general height doesn’t seem to matter. 5’10-6’0 is where it might be an issue in the other direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:47 PM
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If he wants to pay it completely I’m suspicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:44 PM
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Probably 20% for both genders, slightly higher for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:44 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:43 PM
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Less than 10 does that include old women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:37 PM
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Low weight is attractive precisely because it is fertile - it signals long term fertility as it is associated with youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:36 PM
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But attractive broke guys had and in 20s there was still hope they’d make it… somehow
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:31 PM
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Lol hypocrite still… i disagree with OP but you are a hypocrite
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:29 PM
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You are a troll lmao, no woman would say ”oh but 6 inches doesn’t satisfy me, sounds like bullshit men come up with…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:28 PM
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Actually true. In the 1700s a large portion of marriages (40%?) were due to pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:14 PM
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Yes and as someone 24, sure I do prefer someone to be 30 over 18. If we ignore the men that have some sort of second puberty… do men look better with age objectively? No. Objectively the younger men look better, but my brain doesn’t put them in ”suitable partner” cathegory. Ask your mothers when she perceived your fathers to be the best looking and they’ll say in his 20s. Because that’s the only objective comparison that makes sense. I think even for according to the study casual and fantasies i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:11 PM
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There are studies on this showing the exact same preferences in terms of BC. But BC might correlate with attractiveness and desireable traits in men so women are more likely to overlook it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:29 PM
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To 2: Initially shaving started due to bikinis and such, it was seen as to sexually suggestive if pubes showed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 11:25 PM
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What????
/r/RedPillWomen12/11/22 12:48 PM
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That’s so cultural. And I would never recommend 6 months.
/r/RedPillWomen11/11/22 04:56 PM
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”Many women” don’t. It’s not normal for a woman to do that. Hundreds is not much in a global scale.
/r/ExRedPill11/11/22 03:01 PM
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Likewise. I hate the ”oh we aren’t hardwired for monogamy”. Humans differ in their inclination and even the ”men are made to spread their seed” is wrong, because only 1/3 of the variance is explained by gender.
/r/ExRedPill11/11/22 02:03 PM
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I'm not usually that kind of person... but leave.
/r/RedPillWomen10/11/22 01:23 AM
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Absolutely. That’s a big difference.
/r/ExRedPill09/11/22 04:33 PM
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Require a long term commited relationship where I trust the person.
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/22 07:31 PM
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Like that I reject them unless they marry me?
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/22 03:52 PM
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Both. There are men I find attractive but I turn them down unless they commit. Also, why only get half the deal. Enough men I want equally that would commit, often those men are even more attractive. But sleeping around is often correlated to impulse control. But sometimes it is a choice. ”I want to see if he is serious”, ”I need to focus on my own stuff, and want sex but don’t want to get attached” etc.
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/22 03:17 PM
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A lot of these men have simply been hurt by women.
/r/ExRedPill08/11/22 09:08 AM
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Every man has dignity both as man and as a human - that however doesn't mean that everything any man says is something we will love. I neither love nor dislike men as a whole. The same for women. I am against misogyny but also misandry. Before reading TRP I had positive experiences with men. I thought that all men were nice and I thought more highly of men than women. Redpill made me legit afraid of men. I think the goal here is to have a balanced and encouraging view.
/r/ExRedPill07/11/22 02:38 AM
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When my sister was hurt by a man my dad put himself in the man’s shoes. You make this gendered, but it isn’t. I have my own principles such as I can not be in a situation where I feel like I’m using a man for money or their goodwill towards me. Men have usually been very kind to me. I’ve developed a cold demeneur because it has pained me so much when I have simply been friendly, let alone kind or listened or empathetic towards a man, and they have very fastly fallen in love with me. I felt like …
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/22 03:34 AM
2

While I want to have children I am afraid of relarionships with men especially marriage because of all the horror stories I’ve heard of divorce, infidelity, women being abused, men being mean and harsh, lack of security, lack of commitment and how it can impact her financially and mentally marry instead of focusing on her career and not devote herself fully to one man. It is to risky. This is not what I think, but I’m the devils advocate here. We do not support that. We support traditional value…
/r/RedPillWomen06/11/22 01:50 AM
11

Maybe you can approach men? Try OLD in addition, and make it clear you want a relationship.
/r/RedPillWomen05/11/22 03:01 AM
1

I don't want someone to pay on dates or pay anything. You put the person in gratitude debt, and I'd even take it a bit negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:37 AM
1

Yes. I have not "been overlooked", and I have gotten appearance based validation in terms of beauty. But I'm non promiscuous, don't dress in "sexy" ways, rather in an elegant way, whereas other people would post and dress sexy. When a guy would ask another woman for sex, he'd ask me to be his girlfriend and made sure to be respectful. I know men are interested, but I don't think of it as sexually, I separate sexual attraction and beauty in my head in terms of myself, which men don't really seem …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 09:15 PM
1

I think that wanting excessive amounts of validation is a sign of an unstable ego... and if anything, work based validation was the only type of validation historically available to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 07:50 PM
1

Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 01:49 PM
1

No you can’t fake the good looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 11:41 AM
1

But that’s the reason people learn those, because they don’t naturally attract so they try to emulate what They think is successful. Provide resources is more a third world country thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 05:24 AM
2

No. It’s not a male or female issue either to ”take care of yourself”.
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/22 04:22 AM
1

Yes, the red pill is associated with incels and sexually unsuccessful men who need a strategy to get women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 04:14 AM
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No, almost all men are blue pill. That’s when they assume they will have, or experience success. Incels then end up on Redpill. If a man was successful he’d be unaware of any Red Pill stuff and just be himself and not have to use weird ”tactics”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 04:14 AM
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Yeah but just because men ”spin plates” and inflate their body counts that doesn’t make them desireable. What I mean is. Men that have women after them have looks + personality etc. The women are into the traits. A loser with women is still a loser with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:34 AM
1

Why would she get feelz from incels?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:27 AM
1

TRP exists because these men were unsuccessful with women…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:26 AM
1

The red pill women claims the opposite 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:25 AM
3

No, women want men that have positive traits which might come with options. Some loser bum with other women isn’t attravtive lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:25 AM
4

No, because if a man resorts to TRP it is a sign they weren’t attractive in the first place…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:24 AM
1

Really? If you belive love is about personality, no dating market, your value doesn’t matter, it’s indicative of no setbacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:23 AM
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Yeah I’d assume the opposite. A BP man is more successful with women. Blue pill is what most people that aren’t incels are. He is successful with women so he doesn’t need an ideology… simps is not blue pill, that’s just everyone who isn’t an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:21 AM
0

I mean if they were confident they wouldn’t have such a cynical view.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:20 AM
6

I’m sorry but whether someone tries to act RP or not has no hearing on being beta this or that. That’s based on someone’s looks and TP men aren’t the most attractive else they wouldn’t search it out. They are the ”betas”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:09 AM
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"I'm sorry you felt that way" is a red flag...
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/22 02:56 AM
11

Only 1/3rd of the variance in preferences for LTR vs STR is explained by gender
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/22 02:56 AM
1

Those aren't common where I'm from
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 12:09 AM
3

That's not what is meant with age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 11:21 PM
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They protect their daughter from other men. It’s the same as men who would say ”not all men” to some statements about feminism (i.e. they are a good person) but when it comes to their girlfriend it’s definitely all men, every single one of them. I think very few people want to see themselves as threaths. Father’s think of their women not as a potential conquest (a woman as something to hunt), but as his child to protect.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 05:41 PM
12

Having more options isn’t necessarily what is meant by power.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 05:35 PM
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Yeah it’s creepy af. If someone thinks women go around promote some Mrs Robinson dynamics that’s deluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 05:32 PM
1

Because they have a protective instinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 05:30 PM
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Not really the difference. Spontaneous is a drive to search out sex (mental horniness) responsive is reacting to stimuli and getting turned on by that. A person with responsive desire might not search out sex but might be up for it any time offered. Like ”oh I’m hungry let’s buy some bacon and eggs” or ”oh someone made bacon and eggs for me, didn’t think of it but yum”. I like food and I like eating food, and I am not full and eat normally, but I’m actually rarely hungry and forget about food if…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 05:24 PM
1

Not having sex but pursuing it 🤦‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 01:35 PM
1

Time pursuing that is time taken from investment in children (or investment in resources in general). No we are decently good at it but like I mentioned; this is an R vs K selection thing and a factor that differentiates some people. Those that can are probably more successful educationally.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 01:27 PM
3

I find men more attractive than women and there are more good looking men than women. Most women look utterly disgusting to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:12 PM
1

That’s up to each and every couple to decide and any boundary is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:04 PM
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Agree so much. I don’t think it’s fair towards me or a woman if a man is with you without being “your type”. Likewise, poor guy being with him and there isn’t really attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 08:07 PM
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Investing in offspring has had the highest survival rate for children. K vs R selection is a bit dependant on socioeconomic factors. Can you postpone immediate gratification for the larger reward? If outcome is certain, yeah, if uncertain, less so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 08:05 PM
1

Leonardo doesn’t count as UMC or UC, he is “noveau riche”.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 08:00 PM
1

That’s the way it works in most parts of the world. To change class takes maybe three generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 12:06 PM
1

Yeah where I live you earn maybe 6000$ in medicine and 5000$ in law or engineering per month.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:09 AM
1

Yes this was towards the person talking about Adam Levine and Jay Z. Sure, but class is social and cultural too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:08 AM
1

I don’t like “dominant” guys and reject cold approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 09:27 AM
1

But UMC isn’t only money and definitely not “large amounts”. You are “comfortable” and that’s it. Education is important and respectability too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 09:25 AM
2

Yes and no I think. I’m also from an UMC background and I agree with that/that is also my experience. It goes for the women as well though! But I think education is important here as a factor. People that are simply very rich can be rather promiscuous, but class isn’t only economical and that also correlates with high levels of narcissism (which might display as high standards and wanting the best girlfriend too, know those type of people). So I think this is specific for UMC. A fast life histor…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 09:24 AM
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Millionaire’s aren’t UMC though. They are in the US often “noveau riche”. I think that might correlate decently with promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 09:18 AM
1

NBA players, actors, musician or celebs are not UMC. They tend to be rich but from simple backgrounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 09:18 AM
2

UMC is not only about wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 09:15 AM
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And those people are neither. Class is not only economical. But she talks about UMC, and not UC, which I reckon makes a difference. If you are UMC you can rely somewhat on your parents and relatives economically, but you need to perform yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 09:14 AM
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You can be introvert without being insecure. Some insecurities are normal. Being shy about women for example is not necessarily bad. You can certainly be funny and introverted. As for why confident? I assume it’s because we need to be able to trust the man to lead as dumb as it sounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 08:11 PM
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5’9 is fine, but that’s a decent anount below average where I live. Not confident and not funny nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 07:54 PM
1

Did I say something was a demand?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 07:02 PM
1

I looked it up on Urban dictionary and it feels like the male equivalent of a bimbo, just because a guy is into sports and possibly popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 03:44 PM
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Yeah I read a study that male virginity and sexlessness was to a large degree explained by autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 03:37 PM
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It is a cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 03:31 PM
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Yes, a lot of ”jocks” are smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 03:31 PM
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They care for intelligence, just not independently of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 03:29 PM
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This study only correlates it with attractiveness. But dumb men can be hot too! Studies do however show that men prefer women that are smart as long as she isn’t smarter than he is. And it also shows that women care more i.e. it’s more of a bonus for a man than a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 03:29 PM
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Jocks can be intelligent…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 03:27 PM
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No but what about intelligent men dating intelligent women? I saw a study where a woman’s desireability to a man goes up with say X until she reaches his own level of intelligence, whereas for a woman the man’s desireability goes up with 2X and it continues beyond that. Basically that intelligence is desireable in a woman, but only until she reaches his level, and not as desireable as it is for women in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 03:26 PM
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Yep, but TRP has the myth of them not being nice. Sure, it’s probably a result of how they were treated, but the effect still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 01:43 PM
1

Yeah that is narcissistic thinking. Or cluster B in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 10:59 PM
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Of course the halo effect natters but there is still a clear difference in what is rude/snappy/inconsiderate/pushy and being nice/friendly/sociable. Plus that guy maybe wasn’t an ass to her but to the cousin. People might act differently to different people…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 08:43 PM
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Why? I think women say it often as well about other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 07:57 PM
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6’2: alright. I think it’s a bit to tall, 6’0 is good, 6’1 too but 6’2 is a bit to much but not a deal breaker. Hair: Good. Strong jaw: I care more about it being defined and chiseled than overtly strong. But good. Narrow deep set…: Hunter eyes? I can like that for sure, but studies show most women don’t neither for LTR nor STR. Nice white teeth: Just have normal teeth. To white teeth is some american bullshit. Wide shoulder: Nice V taper torso: I care mostly about shpulders being wide. Objectiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 06:28 PM
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The opposite. Handsome men don’t act rude, medium or ugly men do in order to overcompensate or act cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 06:14 PM
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Why would agreeable women encourage to leave? That’s ”you go kween”. Agreeable people have longer marriages.
/r/RedPillWomen29/10/22 04:01 PM
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It's not normal for her to do that. That's toxic behavior. However, I can understand the idea that a man doing these things is worse, simply because men are physically superior. A woman that does that is annoying and a nuisance, a man that does it can be straight out dangerous.
/r/ExRedPill28/10/22 03:37 PM
0

This whole having a baby with someone else is ultra rare…
/r/AllPillDebate28/10/22 10:57 AM
1

PMS shows no difference in hormones, just a higher sensitivity to fluctuations
/r/RedPillWomen27/10/22 02:26 AM
2

Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 06:49 PM
2

It is how much a teacher earns in relation to other jobs in academia. I've only heard that it's not payed well in the US, that's all. Cost of living is lower, not by an extreme amount though. I'm in Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 09:57 AM
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I'm not comfortable with zoomed at all lol, but yes, the zoomer millennial divide really impacts dating...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 09:23 AM
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It doesn't pay more in itself, and cost of living for what? Housing? Health care? University? I hear people talk about that 5000 dollars a month is "paycheck to paycheck" in the USA. That's a high income here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 09:21 AM
1

I'd assume we overrate partners instead
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 02:19 AM
1

In my country, a majority of men are against prostitution
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 02:01 AM
1

In my country, a majority of men are against prostitution
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 02:00 AM
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Resources? You have read to much RP. I'd be way more concerned with the mere physical aspect of it. Lusting over another woman. I think very few women are ok with that. We don't live in the 50s where you might need a man's money for survival. I don't think women were ever ok with it, they just put up with it to not end on the street. It doesn't mean women only value "being a good husband and spending time and resources". Falling in love is a big issue, but the physical is just as bad. Yes I cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:47 AM
1

Military and MMA fighters sure. But why are athletes more inclined to abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:27 AM
1

Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:26 AM
1

Is he really good looking though?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:22 AM
1

Yeah but as are other jobs...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 01:22 AM
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The prefrontal cortex is done at 25. And personally that's where I think age differences become less important. It's not about the person being younger in itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 12:57 AM
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Not for casual sex, no. But I mean that's the logic of most men too. A 20 year old woman will have an easy time finding men interested in casual sex, whereas relationship value peaks a bit later.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 12:55 AM
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By their logic of looks and dating style, there are just as many AB and BF so...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 12:53 AM
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Yeah probably an american thing. Architechts, biologists, pharmacists, engineers (the average across all though so this differs a lot), lawyers (well, they earn less at the start and end up with a bit more, not much) earn a comparable amount here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 11:33 PM
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But single refers to relationship status... how are you not single if you have no partner (and aren't having casual sex either) just because you "can" get someone on the spot for the latter?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 11:11 PM
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I know guys like this and those that even prefer it like this. Well, not a huge age gap or so, but guys 27 years old dating 35 year old "accomplished" women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 11:07 PM
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How is being a teacher comparable to being a blue collar man? Maybe it's because I'm European, but being a teacher is seen as a rather good job. Nurses more often date blue collar, but that's not traditionally a university education.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 11:04 PM
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30 and 22 is weird, but 30 and 25-26? I'm 24 myself (soon 25), and I would, if I had to put an age range, put 25-30, with my ideal maybe being 27 or so. I think that 30 is maybe a bit old for me, but totally within what is normal. I also think I'll have to date up in age compared to what I'd in theory prefer (30 better than 24, my age) and that's because the millennial zoomer divide is there somewhere. For me, I think there is a difference below and above 25, when the brain is finished developin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 11:00 PM
1

That's actually usually how it goes here
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:58 PM
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Don’t tell guys you are a virgin!
/r/ExRedPill23/10/22 02:14 PM
1

Which is to pay 50-50…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:06 PM
2

That was a study looking at correlation, it didn't say that.
/r/RedPillWomen22/10/22 10:04 PM
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I've been told by Eastern European men that it is emasculating if a woman wants to pay. In other countries I'd expect even more men want to pay because you focus more on money and "showing off resources", so ability to pay is associated with masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 06:15 PM
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No, it's not far from the reality. Most dates ARE 50-50.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 05:56 PM
1

I think it's probably not that different in NWE in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 05:54 PM
4

That generally doesn't happen here. Most dates here are going for coffee, at least initially. Pull out chairs and take of coat even more rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 05:07 PM
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That's not equality either. My point is that men paying in Sweden generally is pushed by men, it's not something "women expect".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 05:05 PM
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Because a date is determined to go on together. I'm not talking about a relationship, I'm talking about dates in the sense of getting together.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:54 PM
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It isn't the norm. The norm is 50-50, and probably for that reason, so that nothing is a transaction and everything is genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:53 PM
1

Men aren't "paying all the money"? Most dates ARE 50-50.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:53 PM
1

Dating is not super popular here in general. I mean, you might take a walk and go to a café.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:52 PM
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It says men are less in favor of equality than are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:35 PM
1

Depends, I'd be sceptical if a man didn't let me pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:33 PM
1

Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:32 PM
1

Usually that happens though? I mean, 50-50 is the standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:31 PM
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I live in the West, and that experience is very different from what I hear from the USA. Point is, what people talk about as women expecting things seems to be mostly american culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:31 PM
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Where do you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:29 PM
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No, it isn't at all. It happens for some men that often struggle to find wives else, or men that are a bit old. Or just because they happen to find love. In Thailand their "value" is seen as higher because they are white and richer (like a woman in an interview said she thinks thai men tend to be lazier than swedish men), but there is the risk that the women are only in it for the money. In addition, there is a study showing these women are more victims of domestic abuse than women in general. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:19 PM
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Yes, and I understand that. Also/point being: women don't expect it generally, it is according to this statistic the men that want to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:10 PM
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That's common in real life, that men insist on paying. How does it make a man look good when it's not in accordance with what women want? I, and someone else who answered said that it is indeed generally the men that push and insist on paying.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 04:08 PM
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I mean, TRP is about men obtaining as much casual sex as possible. It’s not about traditionalism at all.
/r/ExRedPill21/10/22 11:40 PM
1

Is this some parody of the 1950s? While sure, youth might be good (but again, most age gaps are a couple of years not a decade) most men definitely don’t want to work their ass of to have the woman being at home doing nothing…
/r/ExRedPill20/10/22 02:37 PM
1

Being a stay at home mum is associated more with divorces
/r/RedPillWomen19/10/22 02:15 AM
0

You want an open relationship? It’s not about ”meeee”. You do seem to assume that is is about ”wanting all the focus in the relationship”… but it’s more that to some degree, we need to ask ourselves whether a relationship is worth the effort or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 08:13 PM
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I’m not black so I haven’t been fetishised, but I’ve had men compare me to Lana Rhoades. It has completely wrecked me. They think it’s jelousy, it’s more that we don’t want them to view women like that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 07:51 PM
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I know men that have a fairly easy time getting female attention and they too have talked about feeling objectified. You don’t need porn to masturbate though? Men don’t watch porn because women don’t meet their ideals but because they want visual stimulation or variation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 07:48 PM
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Exactly! It’s not jelousy (most women in porn have a GND type of appereance anyway), it’s observing how they view women there and feeling objectified ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 07:46 PM
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They still look normal. You think that they are extra hot because they are naked, but they look like normal women. It’s about that they are multiple. It’s nothing about competition, you can’t compete against variation. The hottest woman on earth doesn’t provide that. And no, you project a competitive mindset. Of course i expect fidelity but that I put on the man, not the woman. We don’t look at their bodies, we identify with them as women. We are disgusted by the objectification of women, becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 07:44 PM
3

Yeah plus it’s not like porn is needed to masturbate…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 07:34 PM
1

It’s not about ditching women or not. If he wants a woman specifically for an emotional connection we can be friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 07:34 PM
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Porn is made as a visual stimulation, it does not teach men how to be good in bed. The brain is not made to see that extreme variation of women and derive pleasure from the screen. ED It’s infidelity. It’s literally the equivalent of sexting with a guy who sends pictures. ”Ohh but that’s an individual”. Everyone in porn is an individual. Both watching a single person or multiple, know who they are and who they aren’t are different things with their own issues. If it’s to personal it’s cheating, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 07:32 PM
5

This sounds like fearful-avoidant attachment. Humans are very prosocial.
/r/ExRedPill16/10/22 09:01 AM
2

I think it depends heavily on his reasoning. Does he want to have a ”hoe phase” or find what is better? Is it based on complaints about her or wanting to try out? Sometimes specific complaints aren’t really complaints more so than him wanting to see if he can trade up. And yes hypergamy and that sort of behaviour is a female tendency, but it’s “only” 1/3 of the variance in behaviour which is explained by gender, so it is more complex than that. If it is him seeing if he can find someone better i…
/r/RedPillWomen15/10/22 08:54 PM
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This is about K and R selection. K is hypergamy, R is polygamy if we want to speak strictly. 1/3 of the variance is explained by gender, so yes men are on average more R-selected than women that are on average more K-selected. 2/3 of the variance are explained by other factors. This means that while it is a gendered tendency it’s mostly individual. The fact that he wants to see if he can get more attractive women does not point to it being “not surpressing his polygamous urges”. A man that wants…
/r/RedPillWomen15/10/22 08:52 PM
3

An attractive woman always has an easier time than an attractive man. Men are simply less picky. Just be calm and inform him about this.
/r/RedPillWomen15/10/22 08:49 PM
6

Lastly, he is a pimp.
/r/ExRedPill15/10/22 06:35 PM
3

Yes they don’t understand that it’s a small portion of women.
/r/ExRedPill15/10/22 06:35 PM
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But like he isn’t successful with the majority of women at all. He just found his niche and those women are more likely to sleep around overall.
/r/ExRedPill15/10/22 06:34 PM
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I know some people that are extremely promiscious. They also like dark triad sort of traits. They are two. Ok so take a school class of 25. Now, together say that these two women sleep with 200 different men. 200 men will then say ”we had the same experience with women”. Some will then encounter some more of these women and they will say ”I know how women work”. The other 23 women contributed very little or none to male perception of what women like, how women are and so on. But to women, these …
/r/ExRedPill15/10/22 06:32 PM
2

It’s associated with higher testosyerone to be bisexual though so there is a biological component.
/r/AllPillDebate15/10/22 03:25 AM
2

Bisexual women are attracted to a wider array of body types.
/r/AllPillDebate14/10/22 08:01 PM
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Bisexual women do on average have lower standards for everyone according to statistics. More likely to be attracted to a multitude of body types, more likely to have casual sex and wanting sexual variety.
/r/AllPillDebate14/10/22 08:00 PM
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No society with an imbalanced gender ratio does well
/r/AllPillDebate14/10/22 01:04 AM
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TRP does not want to revive old gender roles. They want to have free access to casual sex.
/r/ExRedPill14/10/22 12:29 AM
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Right so it depends on definition of Chad. From "Incel wiki": "The Chad meme actually refers to two different, though overlapping, groups of men. One meaning of Chad is a high status, competent, and good looking male, who could have all the chicks if he wanted to. But the high-status Chad is not necessarily promiscuous. He may even be an incel e.g. when being deprived of females, diseased, or when exhibiting strong adaptations for arranged marriage and love shyness. The other meaning of Chad is …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 11:23 PM
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I've seen more mid guys cheat and be promiscuous tbh. From "Incel wiki": "The Chad meme actually refers to two different, though overlapping, groups of men. One meaning of Chad is a high status, competent, and good looking male, who could have all the chicks if he wanted to. But the high-status Chad is not necessarily promiscuous. He may even be an incel e.g. when being deprived of females, diseased, or when exhibiting strong adaptations for arranged marriage and love shyness. The other meaning …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 09:55 PM
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He can become AB or AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 09:47 PM
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Chad means a man that is attractive. He might end up as AB or AF, depending on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 09:35 PM
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Chad just means an attractive man. Not promiscious. We are talking about those ”Chads” that end up being in LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 07:27 PM
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I’m talking about assortative mating here. Of course men gatekeep relationships to women points below them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 07:22 PM
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So "Billy", and I thought it was Brad or what ever, is bottom 20% or what? Most men can still have casual sex if they put in work. If anything it's mid men where it seems like they are more focused on casual and racking up high BCs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 02:11 PM
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Is this even true? Men are more motivated to be in relationships in general. That might be due to steady sex, but still. "Women are the gatekeepers of sex and somewhat the gatekeepers of relationships" I'd argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 02:10 PM
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I thought Chad meant a top of attractiveness man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 02:08 PM
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If "Chad" is in a relationship, it is with a "Stacy" (lol this language feels pathetic), that definitely do the leaving.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 02:06 PM
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I thought Chad meant top attractiveness man...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 02:02 PM
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Well, war does indeed tend to be associated with cheating women and raping men. I think many women don't like war at all. I don't really.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 01:42 AM
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Sometimes when men here think women think violence is hot, they forget that it's contentual. Just violence, crime and such in itself to me is an indication of lack of control, discipline, ability to be strategic. You will lose a fight let alone a war if you don't have those. But I'd also argue morals. What is the most masculine to a woman is a man who is capable to be very violent, but he also knows when to not to, he is smart and knows how to use it in the best way. He only ever uses violence f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 11:06 PM
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TIL the average woman has between 37.5 to 2300 times as much testosterone in her blood than estrogen. Yeah, we can see that the genetic quality of offspring is declining.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 10:50 PM
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It seems like most of these women are prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 03:43 PM
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So first of all you know someone first after the honey moon phase. And ”1-2 players” is already much, and even more so ”relarionships, but not super long lastning” is also not ideal. I think it simply depends on how high your requirment of knowing someone is. It’s not about whether you like a person but whether you will be compatible, whether you can see a long term future (family) with this person. Some issues showthenselves first along the way. Of course you need to take some risks but it’s si…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 07:16 PM
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He wanted a virgin slut though, he demanded one pretty much. Right but the visual and physical isn’t special then. For women it’s more important to feel special as the female sex drive is based on being desired, the object of desire etc. For most I assume it would be very very unfullfilling to have sex where your ”worth” is only in your ability to give emotional connection. Same argument as women who have casual sex with ”Chad” and then say ”oh but this time it’s special because we have a relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 07:07 PM
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Yep. But these person wants a low N women and then says men should ditch a woman if she isn’t sleeping with him by the third date.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 06:48 PM
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I don’t think that exists in modern society, minus men that buy prostitutes or OF.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 06:47 PM
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Oh I’m aware. Given the porn consumption I’d assume men don’t care about sex being special but alas. To the point. In practice that specialness is relative to how the woman acts normally. I am high inhibition/high self control for example. If a person is more attractive (but it’s maybe even most important that he makes me feel attractive) it is harder to self control, but that’s always relative to my baseline. Wanting to sleep with someone immediately could only ever happen drunk but even when d…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 06:46 PM
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He wants a woman who has so little self control that she can't keep her hands away from men and jumps in bed directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 05:29 PM
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Yes porn is associated with body image issues, insecurity issues and so on in men because they are reminded that they likely won’t have sex with a woman that looks like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 04:51 PM
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It affects women in the sense of higher body insecurity, lower relationship satisfaction, higher degree of self objectification. But maybe that’s something people want to ”take away power”.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 04:45 PM
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Take power of the ego inflated women??? What???
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 04:44 PM
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I am a woman and would not date a promiscious man so I’d assume the opposite applies too
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 04:10 PM
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But then you would want a higher n count? If she can’t keep her fingers away from you that fast, it probably means that she can’t for other people either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 03:17 PM
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I agree with this. I think abortions are unethical and am against them morally but I accknowledge some grey area… to me that it’s a matter of bodily autonomy. If that wasn’t the case, a mother should not be able to do something to rid herself of responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 12:32 AM
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No because women that are unrestricted in sociosexuality want a wider array of men compared to women with restricted sociosexuality, who are more hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 07:03 PM
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In islam, a man not satisfying his woman sexually is a valid reason for divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 06:54 PM
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I mean, I care about body count in men. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 06:47 PM
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Yes, many women are volcels.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 06:12 PM
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Not true. The gender ratio of people looking for relationships get more and more skewed with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 05:56 PM
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For dating it is even
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 05:54 PM
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So Stacy means slut?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 05:25 PM
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Some study showed that men find borderline personality disorder traits attractive and select for those. However I don’t think it’s the toxic part but the bubbly, loving, empathethic, caring, attached part. And maybe the increased sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 05:18 PM
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It’s not about valuing. It’s about having an opinion based on morals which don’t apply to yourself etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 04:55 PM
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Studies show masculine men are friendly to women and hostile to men. I don’t thing the typical ”high value man” likes anime.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 04:32 PM
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Yes. Though actually sociosexuality varies more within a gender than between. Generally Though I think maybe half of people would qualify as ”demisexuals.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 03:19 PM
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Christian Bale
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:55 PM
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Almost all guys seem to love to please women, so this is such a sign that someone has never had female contact. The whole ”pleasing the woman” is also such a core part of male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:52 PM
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Beards are also caused by how androgen sensitive an area is, not only the amount of testosterone. That’s genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 02:51 PM
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Depends on who, but ”kill the cheerleader” syndrome is a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 09:48 AM
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Why on earth wouldn’t you find anyone else that loves you? Plenty of fish! Leave him.
/r/RedPillWomen05/10/22 11:49 PM
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Because: good trait X + good trait Y > good trait X. In addition it makes sex with that person less special because it is shared.
/r/ExRedPill05/10/22 03:35 PM
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Women don’t pair bond quicker. Men are usually the ones saying I love you first in relationships and so on.
/r/ExRedPill05/10/22 03:32 PM
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Not really. There is a corraltion but it’s related to that women with worse ability to pair bond are more likely to go out and get a higher BC. Avoidant attachment, high sociosexuality. Those women would have had a low ability to pair bond regardless. As far as I’m concerned there are no studies supporting the idea that sex with multiple people makes someone lose the ability to pair bond.
/r/ExRedPill05/10/22 03:32 PM
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Because why have multiple hot people when you have one hot person already which you in addition love? It’s the same, but worse. It adds nothing. I would always consider everyone inferior to my partner. In addition I as a woman can’t be with someone I don’t respect and I always respect my partner in that way, not other people.
/r/ExRedPill05/10/22 02:10 PM
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Why is it more sexually gratifying to have multiple partners? Being with one person isn’t settling.
/r/ExRedPill05/10/22 01:47 PM
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Do it for yourself, it can if anything be a disadvantage in getting a partner…
/r/RedPillWomen05/10/22 10:30 AM
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What are other issues? Because that’s the aim of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 08:33 AM
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I’ve seen more of this happening to men.,
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 08:18 AM
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I mean. They are insecure and wanted to ”retake” power or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 08:16 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/koag0c/men_love_talking_about_the_okcupid_study_except/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 08:09 AM
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I’m not sure? Because the complaint I see here is that women aren’t having enough non commital sex, despite that being more common now than ever. That would mean loosing the right to decide over my body. But reasonable standards in terms of money, just be an overall nice person. Toxic people should maybe stop being toxic. Personally I don’t know. And lastly I guess in general care about male mental health issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 08:08 AM
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Because people are fat today. On no slim woman is it the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 08:04 AM
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Most women don’t want huge penises, but average. To large might simply hurt or be more hassle. That’s things women talk about among each other. Very large is from porn because it is a hyperstimulus and easier to see on camera. Since it’s mostly men consuming it’s men fabricating that insecurity ending up with guys with 6 inch penises being insecure about their size. Actually studies say that for breasts as well, medium is most widely prefered.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 08:03 AM
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Looool! Scandinavia. I guess one or two cup sizes above average. We aren’t known for big butts though…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:14 PM
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I mean, my country has the largest breasts in the world but the difference is that we aren’t really that fat…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:50 PM
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C cup is I guess not large for americans because most americans are really fat
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 10:19 AM
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”I don’t like big breasts I like DD” Fwiw I’ve seen it been called medium so…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 10:17 AM
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Then you don’t hear women talking
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 09:50 AM
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But that sounds like the Madonna Whore complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 09:48 AM
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I think studies show most men prefer medium
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 09:44 AM
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That’s not the likely reason though. Same reason why hungry men like larger breasts than full ones. Rather, for someone with a lot of resources it makes sense to pursue the long term strategy as it is more effective, and slimness is one of the best indicators of long term fertility as the brain heavily associates it with youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 09:44 AM
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Men are primed in their early teens in regards to specific size preference. Meaning there is a difference. And most prefer medium.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 01:29 AM
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He is Stacy widowed
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 01:13 AM
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Depends where and how tall. Height is a positive unless taller than he is. Where I live that’s not the case, tall women don’t have issues. But even a 5’10 woman will have plenty of 6’0 men to chose from so. A 5’8 woman is shorter than pretty much everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 01:01 AM
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Plus it’s seen as masculine for a man to do that, because he doesn’t feel threathened. And that the woman herself chose someone who isn’t much taller or even shorter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 01:00 AM
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I think that those people that control still know that other people find her attractive, else they wouldn’t feel the need to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:45 AM
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Of course they admit liking their women in miniskirts
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:22 AM
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It doesn’t have to be on a spectrum some of these can coexist. Like wanting a woman to dress modestly but be admired for looks etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:18 AM
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Oh I thought you meant the opposite. Point is, it’s still incels not being open to dating women in their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 06:11 PM
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It’s usually the opposite no? Men have higher standards for LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 04:27 PM
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Then why is the message rate like that then?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 02:22 PM
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Not only a female claim but it’s men being upset that they can’t get Stacy then. Same low level of sympathy as those women crying that they can’t get Chad. Volcel if they wouldn’t yeah. If the purpose is more than “getting their dick wet” they could try with a LTR! I have come to learn that Americans are very entitled. As much as you export your culture to us I’d gladly export a bit of Jante Law to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 02:18 PM
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Then it’s not an underrate, because that’s still relative to their “league” if that makes sense. It might simply be so than women do look better than men do, but women seem to see who looks the same relatively speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 02:17 PM
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I watched a movie yesterday (The Emigrants, from 1971) and it made me think of some sort of american mentality of the man being ultra rich and the woman a mere decoration. I’m ashamed people that left my countries (I’m Scandinavian and German) have become like this. People came to America hearing that ”no american has to work more than 12 hours a day”. Oh and I remember a dialogue from the movie, two peasant/farm working boys (I don’t know what it’s called but basically people that worked at a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 02:13 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/koag0c/men_love_talking_about_the_okcupid_study_except/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 01:50 PM
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It’s some dying of thirst in the desert being jelous of someone who is drowning in the ocean and vice versa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 12:56 PM
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That would be people with body dysmorphia then…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 12:50 PM
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Studies show men overrate and women underrate. Thing is, people call themselves incels and talk about how they have no luck with dating but then say that fat is a deal breaker. Most people here are from the US it seems, and you are quite a fat country. If a man is generally less desireable in dating, his proper dating pool is very likely fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 12:50 PM
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I think I see this more with men. Especially those complaining about fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 11:35 AM
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Yes, even those that can don’t. You wait until late 20s or 30 else it’s seen as super trashy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 07:40 PM
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Doesn’t happen here, or eh, she gets maternal leave but the father can also take out paternal leave. It’s 80% of the income. Then the children go to kindergarden.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 07:38 PM
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He complained about not finding women of substance and said ”who wants to be with someone like that” though so… 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 06:24 PM
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The wall is about looks though afaik? But lol, where I live it is low status to marry young.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 06:07 PM
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Huh what are you talking about? Life isn’t an american movie, usually dates are people ordering a coffé and getting to know each other. Where I am from men don’t pay for dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 05:38 PM
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Huh? No, most people are a two income family generally by choice as women prefer it like so. Still, not such a big difference. Most women don’t want to prostitute themselves or be ”sugar babies” which you essentially promote.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 05:15 PM
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We live in 2022, women make their own money you know? … and income differences aren’t that prominent that a 40 year old makes that much more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 05:09 PM
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Hmm. Why is it the same in the UK as the US? Meaning the obesitet and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 05:04 PM
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I’m sorry but if you think a 40 year old just regularly can ”chose” a 20 year old that’s delusional. The older people get, the more men and less women are looking for relationships so…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 05:03 PM
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”The wall”. Is it an american thing? I don’t know any woman in her 30s that has wrinkles or aged skin unless she did excessive sun tanning. The sun doesn’t naturally age us here since it’s such a northern latitude. Most people of my social class stay in shape their entire life. Nowadays people don’t smoke either. Even my soon 55 year old mother doesn’t have that many wrinkles. I live in Scandinavia so it’s not like people’s skin is sun resistant. Maybe the bone structure helps too… That a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:43 PM
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I just yesterday heared a guy (late 20s, engineer student, ice hockey player) complain about that Tinder is just full of ”blonde girls rich girls who like to party” with the motivation: ”Who wants to be with a woman like that? She has no substance”. Most men that claim those things are either kind of stupid themselves or have never had a relationship or are still in the ”chasing women sexually for self validation” phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 04:29 PM
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Let me find but I don’t have time right now
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:35 PM
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I live in Stockholm and know those people and have somewhat that social circle but stekare refers to a specific type of guys not the richer people in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:13 PM
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Lol stekare? Is that upper class? That’s just the ”frat boy” equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:01 PM
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Studies show that mothers are the one’s that have an influence on whether a woman ends up like that or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:00 PM
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I wasn’t even ”ugly” though I think I look better now because i had a puffy face. I had that high school sweetheart situation actually though with a guy two classes over me. (I’m born 98, he is 95). It’s more that I resent them being mean to me then. But again I’ve come to learn that men saying stuff about women almost never has to do with her actual looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:20 PM
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No I wouldn’t feel special.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 01:46 PM
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A lot of men complain about that women started showing interests first in their mid 20s after being ignored in high school. That coincides with getting your education yes, but honestly a lot of men start getting attractive at that point in the sense that the male puberty solidifies in early 20s. I know a guy who was not attractive at all in high school, and coincidentally also very much a nerd, and now his facial features totally changed. Attention which is also due to looks is brushed of as bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 12:26 PM
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The problem with OLD is the male to female ratio
/r/ExRedPill02/10/22 01:39 AM
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But why does what man it is make a difference? How does it make her feel like a prize?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 07:50 PM
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1) Wants children 2) Kind, respectful, caring, funny, calm and confident but not a doormat or submissive. 3) Some shared interests or just a willingness to share interests meaning showing interest in mine or wanting me to take part in his 4) Culture, well... Other culture is fine as long as there will be no culture shocks. No culture where screaming or such is the normal way of communication. 5) Intelligent and well read. Doesn’t have to be university educated. 6) No job in finance or law or thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 05:58 PM
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What’s the deal about southern europeans or middle easterners liking blonde hair 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 05:47 PM
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It’s about validation, female sexuality being narcissistic (”oh he is very dominant it means he wants me soooo much he can’t keep himself off from me” says the monkey brain) and that it’s in a way the ultimate surrender and safety. In that moment it feels special, like it’s only about her. Why do a lot of men like it (women like BDSM more) despite wanting a respectful relationship and don’t like those things outside? Because she is giving herself completely to him sexually, validating for the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 05:08 PM
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Oh god what is it people don’t understand. Of course you can get a partner despite it, but it’s geared towards a male gaze and men think women work differently than what we do. If they consumed more female gaze media they would get more ”game”. Know how to seduce a woman, know how the female brain works. Sure, some women watch porn but it’s geared towards men. Porn if anything tells women what men want. 🤣 As for that, I do see a correlation between people that watch a lot and being awkward aroun…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 05:06 PM
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Yep!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 04:56 PM
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They are setting themselves up for failure or hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 04:54 PM
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No no, many women aren’t even looking for casual sex or wanting it. The validation aspect from casual sex doesn’t exist for women to the same degree as it does for men. Precisely because it doesn’t mean anything, and it doesn’t help the ego. In fact it would hurt it very often. And that leaves it as just a physical sensation, not different from masturbating. So why? This is generalised and some women definitely do sleep around bla bla, but these ”endless options” for sex is just; it’s not some s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 04:50 PM
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Which might be true? For me, I have once been hit on in a casual way. But what women do and what is true is that they think that the guys that hit on them are the guys that are interested in them. Same thing in terms of indecent hitting: Women showing a lot of openess think they are more attractive, women that don’t think they aren’t. But what happens is that men hit on women or catcall women that signal openness or availability. Less attractive or good personality but wears revealing clothes is…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 04:44 PM
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Relative to how she usually acts. This is exactly why men get hurt because they fall for women that are very open with them, but usually it just signals her tendency. Plus, she might be careful and want to ensure commitment before entering the relationship but afterwards ”break rules”.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 04:35 PM
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And then they mention spontaneous and responsive arousal and only spontaneous is real. Male sexuality is the only valid one! This apprent spontaneous arousal is either biological and a more general mode to operate OR associated with I guess ”courting” or even insecurity. After a while in the realtionship with the chaddiest Chad that might also diminish. Has her attraction dissapeared? No. It’s that she is more comfortable and relies more on him to initiate. The reason BPD women are thought of as…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 04:31 PM
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Same.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 04:26 PM
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I think she has a diagnosis. This as absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 04:22 PM
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Yes and this is why I’ve been careful of disclosing my N-count. It’s not only that, just having looks, interests or a personality projecting innocence can make you a target for those type of people. That’s why I think it’s sometimes good for women to appear a bit less innocent than she actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 04:13 PM
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Accountant
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 04:02 PM
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Sure, but I know of these guys who have rejected casual sex so. Marrying before 25 is not neccesarily common.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 03:42 PM
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And people in STEM often. I know some of these guys that are extremely handsome that don’t do well with women, and often it’s that they don’t really want to. Casual sex and chasing women for men is very much about validation and affirming own worth and status among other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 03:40 PM
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Most women don’t try to ”get laid”…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 03:37 PM
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Plus, the amount of people being virgins is much lower. And even among those there is a big difference if you compare autism vs not autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 03:37 PM
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But if women prioritise looks less than men do, no. And they are hypergamy minded in terms of looks, women not so. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/koag0c/men_love_talking_about_the_okcupid_study_except/ This 80/20 is a thing from OLD. Coincidentally, that’s the gender ratio on OLD with 80 percent men and 20 percent women. And it’s 50-50 men and women. If ugly women date attractive men, who are the attractive women dating? So this idea that ugly women can find decent looking gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 11:38 AM
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As someone sub 20 BMI sit would be nice to go to the US and be seen as a stick regardless of WHR
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 12:13 AM
1

Boobs
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 12:10 AM
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Hypergamy refers to money. In terms of looks the men do it. Look at the OkCupid statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 12:08 AM
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They are very relationship minded 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 11:43 PM
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Yes ha ha ha, a lot is a delusion here on PPD. In reality sure looks matters but the difference in BC is mostly driven by the energy put in, manipulativeness and willingness to dumpster dive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 11:43 PM
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Who said nobody Will?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 10:58 PM
1

Why would it make a woman feel like a prize?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 10:56 PM
2

Because you are denied your humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 10:28 PM
2

Yep he wants prostitution. Because the answer is ”I want a rich guy who does everything for me” then.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 10:25 PM
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This depends on social circles. To marry an attractive woman who is dumb or implies he chose her for looks is low status in my social circle. Doesn’t relate to the looks of the parents. An ugly woman can have handsome sons and vice versa. Can’t convince you. Have some own relationships and experience and come back. This sounds like it was written by an incel, and all this is essentially promoting sugar babies (without talking about how men then become sugar daddies lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 10:24 PM
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No? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 08:13 PM
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That’s not uncommon. Even in Sweden where I live people don’t neccesarily just have sex and then a relationship forms…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 08:12 PM
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No, it would be weird to act upon every attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 03:15 PM
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Different finding someone attractive and wanting to date that person ig
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 02:30 PM
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Wanting to have casual sex or not is not related to how attractive someone finds others, but their sociosexual orientation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 02:29 PM
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20% from instagram tier women? What? That sounds to high.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 02:29 PM
0

Inside a woman’s brain? 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:31 PM
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They don’t understand supply and demand…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:31 PM
1

Then how do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:29 PM
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Well, I just did that. But I’m in my university right now so it’s mostly people between 20-35.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:29 PM
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Same! Plus it’s not that I don’t find visuals attractive but visuals for me is also facial expression, body language or just seing someone moving. Photos are kind of, not even fully human to me 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:28 PM
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Are you a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:23 PM
1

I think maybe half of men I see are reasonably attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:21 PM
1

Don’t befriend Chads, don’t approach women that have a chance to date Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:19 PM
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Men have more spontaneous desire and women more responsive. Male hunger might be three times bigger but the female stomach can eat and enjoy just as much food.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:18 PM
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Haha where I live I don’t know women that have been rejected for being to tall, only to short…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:17 PM
2

Why is the sweet spot 50-1000?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:15 PM
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I know men where this has happened yes. I know one who had it but felt bad after.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:13 PM
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According to TRP women are only attracted to maybe 20 percent of men. I don’t find this to be true, what do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:13 PM
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Mommy issues
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 07:50 AM
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But alimonies are rare and usually it’s two income families…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 07:48 AM
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25-30 is generally what studies point towards!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 05:53 PM
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Well, in those cases it is not justified in the same way. My point was the big amount of marriages than end for reasonable reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 05:49 PM
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No, I think bulky means ”buff”. Lean muscular is athletic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 05:49 PM
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Lesbians have high rates of abuse iirc
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 05:05 PM
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I agree, it’s just that men here seem to think that divorce is generally simply a result of hypergamy. But often it’s very serious issues that absolutely warrant a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 05:01 PM
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Still doesn’t change the infidelity statistics. But yes. In my country, double income, well educated families are the least likely to divorce where the couple did not marry young.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 02:12 PM
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That’s another common reason, people marrying to young.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:53 PM
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But according to those statistics, 55% of people state infidelity and 25% of people state abuse as a reason for divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:53 PM
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That’s not true. Plus, ”fuck zoning” from these women are often rarely an actual fuck zone, it’s in practice a ”nope zone”. But even that exists. The women that actually have casual sex like that I guess don’t care, but then those manwhores will complain about the state of women, claim that all women are whores, complain about that they can’t find ”a good girl”when the reason is that these ”good girls” which to them I guess means low N-count and more calm/introverted don’t want men like them. I’…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 12:51 PM
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Yeah - most men here say they want a woman with a career. A lot of these ”truths” just don’t apply here. (Why am I being downvoted? I'm not saying that it isn't possible, just that a lower amount of men are looking for that kind of dynamic here.)
/r/RedPillWomen28/09/22 11:40 AM
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How the other person makes him feel ig
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 08:18 AM
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It says that below his name. It makes sense, all of the guys who say that they prefer it because of validation probably have narcissistic tendencies…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 08:17 AM
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I would…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 08:16 AM
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But how common is that? I see the opposite more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 08:16 AM
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No. Lean muscular wins over bulky in all studies. Why does it sound so unbelivable that athletic is the best body type? It makes the most sense as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 08:15 AM
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Ultramasculine men look unreliable, so it will never fully appeal to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 08:09 AM
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Zyzz looks roided though. It doesn’t look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 08:04 AM
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A lot of male beauty standards and male muscularity has not developed because women find it more attractive, but to intimidate other men. Muscular male physiques being praised is almost always from other men. Nobody would call that skinny fat. Dad bod I don’t know, I haven’t heard it and it might just be a countermeasure to men misunderstanding what muscular means when we women still mean a ”normal” (but fit) body. Never called it that though and usually women here say they like athletic to clar…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:59 AM
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I genuinely think that most men that like hookups, like hookups for validation. To some degree, it’s understandeable. Male desire is not only visual this and that but focused on women showing sexual willingness. Even within LTR male sexuality works that way in the sense that men want and cherish women wanting and enjoying it. I think what most of these men actually want is the option of STR, moreso than actually having it if that makes sense. Those men who actually actually want it are either me…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:54 AM
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He is a diagnosed narcissist, of course he does. Heck, it’s even how he would expereince love, i.e. validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:49 AM
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Why are you so afraid of being cheated on while wanting to have a relationship with cheating built in?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:46 AM
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Did mommy abuse you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:23 AM
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I find it creepy REGARDLESS. Or not creepy, but I reject someone even if he is hot if he does that. Why? Because it shows they are into me for looks and a certain risk taking personality. It might be flattering but it’s a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 01:08 AM
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Absolutely, but a correlation
/r/ExRedPill27/09/22 10:49 PM
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Well for them it is? They seem to go so far in their lock and key thinking that it's unimaginable for them that a woman with a low BC probably wants a man that has the same attitudes. When that happens they usually blame it on jealousy, insecurity or claim that women have so high standards on looks or whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 10:35 PM
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What is feminine to you? Showing skin is not modest but I want to point out that signaling sexual availability or aggressiveness through clothes can be done in other ways as well. In Scandinavia we might show skin (though not clevage, think a shorter skirt and a knitted sweater) but makeup is rarer and clothes are not very glam. Whereas women from the Middle East often cover more but wear a lot of glam and kilos of makeup. The latter is a more immodest behavior as showing skin needs to be seen i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 10:33 PM
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I don't think that you can say that the amount of partners in itself causes this, it is much more likely that they stem from a common cause. So basically... unrestricted sociosexuality in itself probably leads to both higher likelihood to cheat and a greater likelihood for having more sexual partners. These things might also be associated with avoidant attachment. To just assume that having more sex in of itself leads to things like lower relationship satisfaction or cheating would be conflating…
/r/ExRedPill27/09/22 10:30 PM
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In what regard?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 08:33 PM
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Of course women don’t bring masculinity 😑 Women bring comfort, gentleness, empathy etc. So it’s not comparable and equals out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 07:39 PM
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You just were with the wrong women. Most women would end a relationship where one isn’t treated with respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 07:04 PM
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What is it that men ”bring to the table” that women don’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 06:57 PM
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Yeah and they tend to be upset when the latter happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 05:23 PM
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Female desire shifts to go back to baseline being more receptive. That’s not being bored or not wanting exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 12:37 PM
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Studies show women have a different sexuality and yeah, sort of.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 12:36 PM
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Yes, the differences in spontanoeus or receptive desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 11:46 AM
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How does that work logically unless the rater is gay ?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 11:28 AM
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That’s because those men aren’t high value but high risk
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 11:25 AM
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Redpillers proven gay again
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 11:24 AM
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”Get bored” as if women are perpetual dopamin addicts. Sounds like men project their own porn addictions onto women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 11:22 AM
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Redpillers claim the men are more attractive in relationships. I have seen relationships where the woman would be higher in looks but not thaaaat often the opposite. I do see it happen for men that other men would deem attractive, but where women wouldn’t. Generally people are looksmatched and also phenotypematched which can be the answer to some difference here, i.e. we perceive people that look like us to be more attractive even if one might be more attractive ”objectively”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 11:20 AM
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It isn’t to me. Both are individuals performing sexual acts for the persona eye. And even if it’s ”not real” that just shows the person doesn’t view the woman as fully human.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 05:52 PM
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Because it is no different. It is videos of real people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 04:35 PM
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It’s called cost inflicting mate retention tactics. Men that use those are insecure and see themselves as having low value and see the woman as holding power over him and her having more ”market value”. Thus he compensates by trying to feel powerful and push her down. Men who see their mate value as higher and see themselves as more desireable tend to use ”benefit provisioning mate retention tactics” which is being an extra good partner. I don’t think this is solveable.
/r/ExRedPill25/09/22 02:16 PM
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Post lewd photos. Makeup, plastic surgery. (As someone with BDD I am a hypocrite here). But at least in the purpose that a lot of people do it. Dress like they are from the red light district. Sexualising themselves. It is not empowering and it’s a lie many men have told women and some women continue to perpetuate. Infantilising themselves, especially sexually. Trying to seduce men this and that for self validation. Casual sex. Women complain about current society which is arguably shit, ignorin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 01:58 PM
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If person A would respect me over worshipping me, that would be the best. Sometimes men worshipping women does not feel like true love, where you accept the person as they are and respect them… it feels like you are an impersonal version of Le Holy Woman. I know men that do and they always get upset over every tiny things which goes against their pedestal. Lastly, not able to cheat. But what if he wanted to? For me the intention to, or wish to is just as bad as the act. Imagine a man that wanted…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 01:43 PM
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Yes, it indicates a personality not suitable for relarionships nor genes I want my children to have. A man that sleeps around is like a teenage boy in the head still. Cannot control himself, concerned about status from other men and self validation. He is not a grown man, and I cannot respect him. He is a hedonist and we do not share values regarding sex. He doesn’t see sex as anything different than masturbating with a female body. That doesn’t mean he has to be a virgin, and I can forgive some…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 01:36 PM
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Actually no, because men can be really harsh and mean and competitive and so on when talking to each other. What we mean is that We want to be treated with the same basic human dignity and respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 01:35 PM
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It’s the concept of commitment, investment and safety. Flashing designer stuff is not attractive. Another example is, why is idk a striptease attractive? That is separated from her as a person! It’s even separated from her body! Because it shows sexual willingness and male sexuality is in part visual but also very strongly focused on ”the woman wants it, the woman enjoys it”. Why is it attractive? All woman can do it, but it signals something. And no it isn’t separated from him. It might indicat…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 01:33 PM
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Video. Imagine if your girlfriend had videos of your friend and did the same. Ok, make that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:32 AM
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No with actual camsex the other person has actually consented fully.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:31 AM
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It’s like camsex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 10:05 PM
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Porn is. It means not being satisfied with one woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 09:38 PM
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Yes, and I think neither is appropriate. I’m also against women posting lewd Instagram photos. A woman masturbating to other men is also not ok. To me this is infidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:12 PM
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I guess, but why would he approach me? Looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:11 PM
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She does it for free to ”scratch the itch” of wanting attention. Do you feel threathened by other men seeing her? So insecure! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:10 PM
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In a relationship there are other moral issues such as that the woman is seen as a mere object, but I’m talking about a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:10 PM
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It’s men buying women. Ok, if she does onlyfans or stripping for free? And yes of course, that’s what a relationship is about. A relationship is monogamous. I don’t feel ”threathened”, I feel disrespected.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:07 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:07 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:07 PM
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That’s also a lifestyle. People can to stripping or only fans to ”scratch an itch” of getting attention. But that’s all stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:05 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:04 PM
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It’s almost like visiting a prostitute. The problem is not the visual stimulation but the cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:02 PM
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Having sex with someone also means that they provide visual stimulation so that’s auch a weird argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:00 PM
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Would you want your girlfriend to be a stripper or start and onlyfans or also be insecure? And no, the inadequacy lies within being only one person. It’s not like it’s always good looking people. I did not grow up among hippies and a relationship is exclusive between one man and one woman. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 03:59 PM
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Ok, if the woman wants an onlyfans then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 03:42 PM
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We don't have the "drive". The majority of women have a responsive/receptive sexual desire. It's like being able to eat and enjoy food a lot, but rarely feeling hungry. Only when someone gives you food. This is also why the woman if she is lower libido should more often adapt to the man, and the man should try to "court" her more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 03:08 PM
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Many people would think the latter is being "insecure" and "obsessive", which to me is absurd because either I want to be in a monogamous relationship with unconditional love, or none at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 03:05 PM
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Because most people want to be husband and wife and aren't into casual dating. I'm sorry but I'm not muslim or mormon, why would I want my future husband to go for other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 03:03 PM
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Ok, if men don't want their girlfriends to be strippers, is that insecure too?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 03:00 PM
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There is a difference between masturbation and pornography. The latter is close to visiting a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 02:56 PM
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I’m sorry but a relationship isn’t a competition. I’m sorry your parents were divorced or whatever. If a man is being abusive or cheats of course the woman doesn’t want to be with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 11:29 AM
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Talking about swedes but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 08:53 AM
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Same!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 08:53 AM
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It seems like men can’t keep women as women are the one’s usually divorcing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 08:28 AM
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We have a developed frontal cortex though…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 08:26 AM
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We literally say attraction grows with time but it’s the men here who say ”nooo”. You are free to listen to yourself but to me this all just sounds like a free pass to disregard even considering input when you disagree which people will do to opposite things depending on themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 08:24 AM
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Yes objectively speaking in terms of looks and attractiveness. But I’m also not attracted to someone that I can’t see as the father of my children (even just hypothethically) so in practice I don’t. Then of course they are close enough age wise in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 08:19 AM
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Because it would be stupid to prioritise it. You will spend the rest of your life together and at that time, and for your children, looks will be gone anyway. Youth also pften comes with immaturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 08:16 AM
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find the hottest go for not the same
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 08:15 AM
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”Women”.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 08:09 AM
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I mean having to select for other things is good
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 07:50 AM
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Provider? We don’t live in 1950s america. Women work.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 07:49 AM
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Yes because I wrote 183.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:31 AM
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On average, which is probably related to poverty in Africa and being on average of a lower socioeconomic background in the US as well. This is why richer men in general tend to prefer slim women even within populations.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 08:23 PM
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You don’t have to act so on the defense. Testosterone drops, estrogen is higher in early 30s but then also drops.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 08:19 PM
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Yes, it happens but it isn’t the norm. That’s maybe relevant for me as that’s my age, but the reason I did so is because according to a study done in my neighbour country the prefered age gap among men in their late 20s/30 is 2 years. The discussion was regarding 20-year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 08:16 PM
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I wrote 183, I mixed up 5’11 and 6’0 ending up like 6’11.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 07:37 PM
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Well exactly my point. Yes because those people would talk about life experiences and ”being at the same point in life” i.e. both done with education and such. And that’s something different. You were both young. But marrying that young is very rare and even people that are in relationships that early tend to wait until they marry, probably because they don’t want people to talk badly behind their back but also because it’s seen as something you do when you are done with the rest i.e. you should…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 07:32 PM
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Wait, I’m thinking of another movie. Batman begins. I’m sorry!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 07:25 PM
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I’m scandinavian. I think string bikinis would be an american thing. Back in the days people would sunbathe topless here at times, but that was not seen as a sexual thing. In Europe it’s not as common to dress ”sexy” or whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 07:24 PM
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Alpha: low IQ low income or criminal bum who goes to the gym Beta: successful man
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 07:23 PM
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Most people are not wired that way, we are not monkeys. Maybe you aren’t from a place with civilisation. Elliot Rogers is known among women as the prime example of how personality can be so off putting that good looks aren’t enough. He looked good to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 07:20 PM
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That’s because men would be willing to share the local mattress. In other languges it’s called the village bike. No such expression for men. All I know is an expression for men that fake relationships to get what they want out of women. Both sex but also money. It’s disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 07:17 PM
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You just seem to come from socially disadvantaged backgrounds. I only know one person from my social circle who had divorced parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 07:15 PM
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I can accknowledge that someone else is good looking to others, but not to me. I think Jason Momoa is really ugly but someone else might not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 07:13 PM
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I will say this as someone from a background that does the studies you are referencing. You ”stemmies” don’t understand what you are reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 07:07 PM
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Black men like fat women though? Everyone has been praising fat people lately under the euphemism ”thick”. I think that objectively you can say if someone is ugly, average och good looking. But the rest is up for preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 06:56 PM
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I actually care. A man that has multiple partners is not someone I want to be with. He has very different values. And I want my future kids to pass the mashmallow test, do well in school etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 06:42 PM
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Because it is trashy as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 06:39 PM
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It wasn’t common. In Sweden, 30% of people didn’t marry at all in the 19th century because of poverty. Second, not everyone is like this. Humans are quite k-selected and don’t go around and chase sex, mostly. But yes, our society is not adapted to people being virgins because most people want to be Done with their education before getting married and it’s seen as trashy to marry young.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 06:25 PM
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Disagreeable or hostile, without smarts, mean, or suuuuuper introverted, insecure, cares about impressing others, weird interests (not cars but I don’t know, tentacle anime). But generally I would reject a man that approached me randomly, because he clearly isn’t in it for the right reasons nor a likely stable partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 06:24 PM
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Tips is to read about fast and slow life history strategy 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 05:13 PM
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😂
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:17 PM
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Yes exactly… I mean I could estimate it in front of me… I think most women don’t even care that much and just want around average. I would never chose a partner based on size at all…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:08 PM
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Well clearly not. But it’s simply a cultural difference. Americans are different and more like countries like India.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:06 PM
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What the… 18?!!! Well that’s probably from men, I think women prefer average.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:56 PM
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The average man, the average young man is taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:55 PM
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For a man that is 30. But not socially. To have such amounts of money without having had it for generation is not status. Marrying up in terms of class. He would not know how to behave, would not follow the topics, would not understand nor be accepted by my family. Well, most americans only eat with forks so maybe that’s just cultural. No. It is done for men to brainwash woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:51 PM
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That’s a very important nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:57 PM
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A lot of those traits (what you would describe as Giga Chad) have evolved to scare other men away, not to attract women. If I was forced to have casual sex with a celebrity I would chose young Christian Bale. https://twitter.com/drburtberendsen/status/1212988312840855552?s=46&t=sO3-YDcFI8hCeZQcoXVg2A He is tall (or 6’0, that’s average where I live) and handsome but not burly or muscular (except in fight club, but I’m talking about here) but rather lean and his facial features are refined and not…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:50 PM
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I think it’s somewhat cultural. We have the magic 180 aka 5’11 here in Sweden, yet the average young man is 183, aka 6’11.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:47 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:46 PM
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”RP” men tend to be abusive.
/r/RedPillWomen23/09/22 11:05 AM
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Some women develop those because they have been with men that had those…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 10:13 AM
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Yes haha! Women are usually nice, agreeable, supportive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 09:23 AM
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A lot of those traits have evolved not to attract women but to scare other men away. Feel protected is not only physically but emotionally, even more so. If a man is grug I don't feel physically safe either, I feel threatened. I find young Christian Bale attractive and he is masculine to me but if it wasn’t for American psycho men would not idolise him. Not baby face but more elegant face... and more slim body type…https://cdn.fansshare.com/photos/christianbale/christian-bale-on-the-beach-young-…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 08:08 AM
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Peaking sexually is a different thing, peaking for a relationship another.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 08:00 AM
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No you said a woman that is seven years older, meaning seven years older than the man. It’s ok as you might be from another culture or societal class. We don’t have the same sort of Kim Kardashian culture. We have a different mentality here. It’s not seen as success, neither for the man nor the woman to be an old rapper who got rich and marries a plastic surgery young fake tits prostitute looking woman. It would be embarassing for me to be with someone like Leonardo DiCaprio, as he has no succes…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 06:45 AM
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Why do you think women end up with ”balding” men? Plus a lot of men stay attractive if they at least shave it off. Secure career is a plus.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 06:44 AM
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Not for sex but for marriage and family. What Dicaprio does is not dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 09:04 PM
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Sexual desireability. Women swiping on men is not about sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 08:15 PM
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No, because a large majority of women only want the ”BB”. I mean, bucks what? You contribute both financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 06:18 PM
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What is inaccurate here? Testosterone drops with age, estrogen as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 06:14 PM
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More so than here for sure. Regardless if you CAN afford it, most people want the living standard of two incomes. I did the same and asked about whether someone wanted a woman that is a housewife and most said no too. ”Success” or so is defined differently in the US. People that become celebrities have very specific personalities, and are socially generally of a lower class. But it’s a big difference if you meet at 35 and 42. That’s not comparable to 27 and 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 06:14 PM
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No, I’m not old. I’m not talking about a woman that is seven years older?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 06:09 PM
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I said that testosterone gets lower with age. That’s what causes dry skin in the 30s, where estrogen peaks. At menopause testosterone is so low that women might dtart getting bingo wings.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 05:10 PM
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I’m asking on my local Jodel: ”Men that are around 30, would you want a woman at 27 or at 20 as girlfriend/wife?” Thus far: ”27. I’d gladly have sex with younger but it’s to big of an age difference for something serious” ”27. We have more in common.” ”27, definitely. If I’m living with a woman I want us to be in the same place in life. Not take care of someone who just graduated high school.” ”27” ”If you look at the average age gap the woman is a few years younger. There you have your answer t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 04:37 PM
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You probably live in India or Saudi Arabia or something like that, but that’s fine. Most men in the west that are say 30, consider a 20 year old way to immature to pursue something serious with her. But that’s of course men that actually talk to women in real life. But sure. That’s why according to a study I’ll find men in their late 20s and 30 in Norway say that their ideal age gap for a LTR is 2 years! I mean you are delusional anyway, a 20 year old does not have the income enough to contribut…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 04:25 PM
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I agree on this. But that’s not what TRP says.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 03:56 PM
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Maybe you come from a more lower class background? For beauty, sure, for dating no. But women don’t aim for a porn career. I explained it, a 20 year old is not considered ”wife material”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 03:51 PM
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Well you mean because our society values beauty, a lot of importance on anti aging and beauty enhancement and media pushing women to spend money and focus on looks and looks based approval instead of doing ”real” things? No but it’s the men here who say that a woman’s worth in relationships is based on looks, that looks matters more than we women think, and that women overinflate how desireable they are on the metric that matters i.e. looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 02:16 PM
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Well, so let’s day it like this. There is an increase from 20 to 27, and then a decrease at 35 or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 02:14 PM
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I guess I’m talking about my own country and what I see happen in real life. Some norwegian study said that men at late 20s to 30s prefer a two year age gap for LTR. Male aquintances in that age reject women that are around 20, and I was at 24 told that 31 year olds ”see people my age as children”. It’s a class matter I guess of course, this is upper middle class i.e. people that study law, engineering, medicine or whatnot and whose family has done this for generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 11:25 AM
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When they are maybe 35. Not at 27 compared to 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 11:21 AM
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But the study show that women don’t overestimate themselves as a group. There is a study that shows that ugly people overestimate themselves (as 6/10 usually) but that’s for both men and women and when these people were asked to pick people of equal Attractiveness in a study, they chose people of equal attractiveness. And I’m talking on averages. Not an unrepresentative minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 11:19 AM
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But then why does it matter to women? That’s exactly what is claimed. But how are women’s looks overinflated unless that means that women think to highly of themselves? With plastic surgery and photoshop one can hardly claim men have a more positive view on women either. Studies show that social media exposure has made both women and men say rate a 5/10 as a 3/10. I think QVES studio or what they are called mentioned that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 11:17 AM
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But that’s true across genders
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 10:29 AM
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But: -it’s more common not to -it’s more common that the opposite is the case -it’s more common among men So statistically it doesn’t make sense to talk about an unrepresentative minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 10:27 AM
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I mean, meanwhile TRP says that women at 20 are seen as more marriage-material than a 28 year old because of their looks and beauty. TRP literally tells women men only care about looks. Im in a discussion about that right now. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/xkij9z/men_30_is_it_true_that_you_prefer_not_to_date_30/ipf2dho/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 10:24 AM
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Because you talk about SMV. But in fact, older, less ”young” and ”attractive” women, and I’m talking about maybe 30, have an easier time dating because they are chosen not based on looks but on potential mother qualities. Wifey material over hot fuck. In practice of course most casual encounters men have are less attractive, but point stands. The female beta bucks if you so will. Difference to people from TRP that cry because they missed their teenage stud phase, for women it works in our favour…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 10:15 AM
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We don’t give compliments because it might be misinterpreted. No I mean, if he doesn’t approach he might miss an opportunity, if he gets rejected shame or bad self confidence is ”the worst”. That’s the I guess ”evolutionary” reason why men have an inflated sense of self. They have to. And no, TRP says women have an inflated sense of self confidence. That’s maybe done on purpose, as negging that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 10:07 AM
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I mean yes, that’s definitely the case, but it definitely does not mean inflated sense of confidence. Point being, IF it is because of attractiveness, it’s not that she has an inflated sense of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 09:56 AM
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I don’t think there is a correlation like that. If she rejects him he is first of all below her league. But acting rude is to make him not continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 09:35 AM
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Exactly, not whether someone would be the most successful pornstar.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 09:22 AM
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Who is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 08:53 AM
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There was a study showing it. But I agree to some degree here. A lot of men don’t approach at all... I don’t think I’m the shit or something, and I live in Scandinavia so the average in terms of looks is much higher, but often men that aren’t as conventionally attractive barely even show interest in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 08:37 AM
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Yes…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 08:31 AM
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Yes well, men need to overestimate themselves because it’s usually men that approach. That’s the same way were men tend to overinterpret signals of interests. Like you smile or something. This is why women don’t give men compliments. The risk of missed opportunity is worse in monkey brain than risk of rejection (because rejection means nothing changed). So I get why. It’s just very opposite to this RP narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 08:28 AM
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I know women together with way less attractive men (and I know that men and women rate differently, but percentile wise - meaning they are different league) being extremely insecure meanwhile the men now think they are models because they are together with her 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 08:24 AM
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Do you think friendship is about attention or validation? Yeah you are proof of TRP guys just being a bunch of autists. There is no validation or attention, quite the contrary… in addition.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 08:13 AM
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Because it changes the dynamic of the friendship
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 08:12 AM
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Men underestimating or women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 07:52 AM
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So?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 07:41 AM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 08:08 PM
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Most women are very well aware of how their dating market looks like. No they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 07:37 PM
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Plus how on earth is this the case when women have lower self esteem than men do and feel bad about their appereances and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 07:09 PM
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Yeah inflated egos when women tend to have super low self esteem and be insecure? This is exactly something that points towards what I’m claiming.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 06:58 PM
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Lastly, most women I know, are very insecure about their appereances. Inflated?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 06:57 PM
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Plus this is absurd as most women are extremely insecure about their appereances…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 05:54 PM
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I’m talking about deflating lower than it is with the aim to increase the prettiness of women available to people here. It’s part of ”cost inflicting mate retention tactics” (such as negging) where a woman is made to belive her value is so low that she accepts any treatment, when in actuality she could be with men that are more handsome, richer, treats her better, better personality and so on. I know a ”redpiller” who tells my friend that he is way above her league and negs her, yet she is in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 04:03 PM
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Doubt this. Type of men interested in relationships = her league. Type of men interested in casual only = not her league. Not rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 03:58 PM
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What do you mean disagree who she has access to?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 03:58 PM
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But they would still be aware what men are interested in relationships with them. Aka their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 03:25 PM
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That’s pretty obvious for most women. Where do you get the idea that they can’t? I mean take a random woman who is not so facially attractive and 200 lbs. She might get the opportunity to sleep with ”high value” men, but the men where she is asked out in a relationship sense, will be different one’s. The latter is her league.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 03:24 PM
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I notice this as well. They might at first be pathethic but end up as either obsessed with casual sex or passive agressive/rude/aggressive and it’s fairly clear to me as a woman. It indicates low value. Yes but they also behave more beta in the sense that they tend to be nicer to their women or women in general. ”Simp”. This idea that attractive men spend all their time sleeping around with multiple women they are being rude to is either the case of someone who was a loser in highschool, or what…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 01:10 PM
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Well, it wants to make men manipulate Women into fantasyland to increase their success with said women. Obviously it has to do with women as it tells men how to deal with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 01:01 PM
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Attraction, but that’s SMV. A decrease in SMV might actually be a good thing for a lot of women and they might appreciate it. For marriage and motherhood there is a difference, as RMV is not the highest if you are 20… and this is what I’m talking about. I’m not talking about being 40 or anything like that. I’m talking about why 28 will be an advantage over 20 in the regard of getting married to a man that has a stable income and is family oriented. I don’t know what you consider the west. The US…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 01:00 PM
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Well yes but why call it dread? That’s for your own sake overall, to be your best self. I wouldn’t actively dress in ways that signals that I try to get other people’s attention or post some lewd instagram pictures, but obviously it’s not a healthy relationship if a partner would want you to be unattractive. I guess? I think it depends on the woman, it’s maybe more based on WHY he suddenly wanted to change, but personally and this is not about ”go to the gym and be your best self”, I would not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 11:48 AM
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Uhm? I’d expect a partner to go to the gym or dress nicely. But doing things that seem to be on purpose to make someone feel like the partner isn’t commited to me would not create spark but annoyance and make me leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 10:50 AM
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No?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 10:34 AM
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Where I am from mothers encouraged their sons to do a lot of sports and go to the gym, to study and earn money, and to associate around and expand social circle. But well, casual sex tends to have a terrible effect on society so it’s first recently where it is seen as normal let alone encouraged. If that’s the only goal though then why does TRP complain about sluts? Wouldn’t they love sluta that are more inclined to just sleep with whoever aka them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 10:15 AM
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But why do you need some wild misgynistic sounding theory to say that ”have healthy boundaries”? That’s the only thing that does work I’d say. The rest is seen as insecurity trying to mask it or overcompensate or a power tactic or ends up being abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 10:10 AM
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And what is a simp or blue pilled man? Men that consider themselves high in mate value tend engage in higher ”court related consumption”, basically spending money. In addition they are more likely to use ”benefit provisioning” mate retention tactics to their partners whereas men that consider themselves to have lower mate value spend less money and use ”cost inflicting mate retention tactics. Benefit provisioning: ”Examples of these tactics include showing affection (e.g., giving gifts, complime…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 09:55 AM
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Of course mothers haven’t encouraged casual sex but uh the rest?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 09:45 AM
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Cost inflicting mate retention strategies. Negging. Dreadgame. But also.., Not commiting to any woman. That’s also part of that ha ha. Obviously no man is owed to commit, but why be with a lower value man who doesn’t commit when you can go to someone else who does? It’s often fairly clear when it’s done as a tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 07:08 AM
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I mean, by raising his RMV? How does a man get more physically attractive by earning money? This is not a high school sweetheart story. It obviously differs from place to place, but there was a study in Norway showing that men in their late 20s to 30s see a two year age gap as ideal for LTR. It’s just that while youth might be prefered, a woman that is 20 will not have luck in anything serious with an older man, and I count that as say 10 years, I guess unless she is from an immigrant family or …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 07:07 AM
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Negging, dread game. Basically cost inflicting mate retention tacticsZ
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 07:01 AM
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But why is that needed for basic self improvement? Heck I mean that’s what mothers have been telling their sons since forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 01:30 AM
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Then their problem is that they prioritise a relationship over their mental health. Women don’t have more options than men, but I think women are often fine with being alone rather than suffering that sort of behaviour. To not tolerate psychotic behaviour doesn’t require any ”red pill.”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 12:58 AM
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But why would you be with a man if he treats you badly in the name of reducing your power? The paradox is that negging or dread game is a sign that he is insecure. That a man also takes time to care for work or health is just normal. If he doesn’t do that he probably has an anxious attachment style.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 12:12 AM
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I do think that women would belive if he tells them to, because women might be more trusting. That’s hardly the woman’s fault. She might not be delusional but just think she lucked out. But overall, I don’t know how common this is? You would talk about the goals of dating initially I assume.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 12:06 AM
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I think some are aware of that their options are scarse, but that they want all or nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 12:04 AM
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Eh I’m talking about I guess the lingerie models, looking like a model is also just an expression.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 12:03 AM
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I agree that money isn’t ultra important but being desireable is associated with that as well. Dread game is not manufacturing it, it’s not the way they act.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 12:01 AM
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Intermittent reward is not meant in that sense but in the sense of a sloth (?) machine, sometimes she is treated well or normally, sometimes abused.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:34 PM
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Daddy issues…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:33 PM
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There seems to be wide spectrum of things people call TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:33 PM
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But neither is the man nor is the woman to be taken for granted. I mean, in a relationship you should see the other person as special and be appreciative. That’s not rocket science, nor ”dread game”. I think most people don’t want to be in a relationship at all if they are taken for granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:32 PM
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Well sure, nobody should bend themselves over for the opposite gender. But that doesn’t change the value of someone in terms of partners? Nobody says to put women on a pedestal. Dread game is not ”don’t be insecure”. Dread game is in fact associated with insecurity (cost inflicting mate retention strategies). That we like secure, confident and calm men is sometjing Women are telling men anyway. That’s not what TRP tells though. What do you mean with the last two paragraphs?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:30 PM
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I guess, because easy to manipulate. But most people are inclined to be affected by propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:27 PM
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Taller men, not richer. I’d chose an attractive normal to high income earner over a rich ugly guy btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:26 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:26 PM
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Dreadgame? Redpillers calling models ”mid” and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:25 PM
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But they don’t? I mean it’s fairly clear what your options are as a woman. And I don’t think single mums think they will have loads and loads of fresh, young, rich men after them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:23 PM
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But those women would know their league by seeing what type of men they attract. TRP however wants to make a woman perceive her value as lower than it actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:13 PM
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But that’s what TRP doesn’t get? They will tell women they can’t get what they actually can, tell women they are less attractive and so on, while the price decided by the buyer is higher than what TRP ascribes to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:12 PM
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