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Real Dolls are inexpensive compared to expenses incurred by dating and relationships.
/r/MensRights21/10/13 05:23 PM
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I suspect that, when it comes down to it, we are wired at a subconscious level to regard sex as "a big deal." Though now we have access to birth control that works (and yes, you can carry on a sexual relationship for several years and not deal with a single pregnancy, even with just condoms and contraceptive gel -- I've done it) we are wired to regard sex as the prelude to some significant life-changing events. When human beings have to deal with things that are "a big deal," we also tend to con…
/r/MensRights20/10/13 08:14 PM
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Well, I could believe it's part of a rural New England dialect, as that regional usage is closer to Shakespearean English, but apart from that, I'd say mistake.
/r/MensRights19/04/13 11:16 PM
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women self loath their bodies and men make it worse. This seems to be a part of the feminist neurosis concerning the "Male Gaze." Supposedly, the problem with looking at a woman and liking what you see, even if a man doesn't overtly express it and only shows this through the subtlest of signs, is that the women who get less attention feel lesser in comparison. I find that this degree of sensitivity is incompatible with having a civil society with individual freedom and equality. So long as I don…
/r/MensRights19/04/13 09:43 PM
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Does this entail me entitle
/r/MensRights19/04/13 09:22 PM
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Give it a chance. She demolishes feminist theory and validates many MRA positions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIrVgKtktfA She also, if you look hard enough, identifies herself as a "feminist" in another video.
/r/MensRights08/04/13 01:47 AM
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I just posted it to /r/Feminism
/r/MensRights08/04/13 01:38 AM
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Women see nerds as creepy and potentially dangerous Women often see beta males in a dehumanized way. You can see this across the culture. Women exploiting and using hapless males with their feminine wiles is basically portrayed with the same sort of twisted jovial bonhomie that characterized past societally accepted misogynist micro-agressions. (Basically, the sexism that's portrayed in Mad Men.) Really, it's as immoral as one male using physical attributes to coerce things from another, except …
/r/MensRights07/04/13 09:06 PM
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For equality sake we either have to have "Traditionalism" which is human control and moral stricture in command of sexuality I also think we need structure. Human beings need social and moral structure. Otherwise, we are like chimps, just nimbler, able to run farther, and weaker. like I said 50+ years of feminism has bred females who want to be jacked full of cum by an alpha type I think industrialized media and the notion that "sex sells" has something to do with it as well. The thing about "al…
/r/MensRights07/04/13 08:52 PM
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However she has her weaker points where her base in evolutionary psych can obscure humanity. It's very hard to distinguish the just-so stories.
/r/MensRights07/04/13 05:37 AM
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It relates to some male customer's preferences for female therapists.
/r/MensRights06/04/13 06:22 PM
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I've been talking about producing a digital recorder that only records one's own voice. This could be left on all day without worry about anti-wiretap and other laws.
/r/MensRights06/04/13 12:22 AM
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Very interesting! I wonder if there are any papers about this? This is the essay by Karen Straughan (girlwriteswhat) that made me aware of this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-N9daqANcw
/r/MensRights05/04/13 10:22 PM
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I do good work, I'm appreciated by my patients, and I simply don't respond. I am going to remember this.
/r/MensRights05/04/13 10:06 PM
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The assumption, until proven otherwise, is that I'm some sort of pedophile. Yes. In situations where the woman is distressed, rationality flies out the window and the man is presumed guilty. Furthermore, our society is completely in denial about this.
/r/MensRights05/04/13 09:57 PM
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Welcome to the modern world. Where a guy trying to pursue a career he cares about is creepy Males who are considered "inferiors" on the mating game ladder are often instinctually regarded with hate and suspicion by females. Our society is in denial about this fact, and always somehow recasts this as a failing of the male, regardless of the circumstances. Welcome to our modern world, where people turn off their brains and give advice that's analogous to "only steer with the wheel turned all the w…
/r/MensRights05/04/13 09:54 PM
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Basically it is what you do with your discomfort that makes you a bigot. Awesome! We all need to remember that we're primates, and that our feelings/"intuitions" aren't edicts from an oracle or a god. We all need to remember that our feelings don't excuse us from being polite members of a civil society.
/r/MensRights05/04/13 09:50 PM
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He will not get a massage from a guy because he just can't force himself to relax during it. It's not at all uncommon for unsupervised adolescent males to use pseudo-intimate touching and even homosexually tinged touching as a form of aggression. It's especially evident when aggressive young males are thrown together with others they consider to be outgroup. It's not even that uncommon for this to reach the level of abuse.
/r/MensRights05/04/13 09:46 PM
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Their job is to massage people, not to be massaged by them. Yes, but in the context of running such a class, it's generally expected that people need to pair off and alternate roles for educational purposes. In such classes, it should be considered inevitable that you have to work with someone you don't like. shaming people because they are uncomfortable with certain people touching them No shame needed. However, they really should suck it up and deal with it. That's entirely commensurate with t…
/r/MensRights05/04/13 09:38 PM
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The Swedes have this right: Lovers traditionally give massages after sex.
/r/MensRights05/04/13 09:31 PM
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We all have preferences and there is nothing wrong with that, its when those preferences are for sexual or ill intentioned reasons. That makes it sound like you are equating sexual preference and ill intentions. I know this is not your intention, but still. So long as it's not meant with negative emotions, it should be treated as just a preference.
/r/MensRights05/04/13 09:30 PM
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Wear a microphone and sue. Also may be illegal, depending on local laws.
/r/MensRights05/04/13 09:26 PM
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This is one thing that's really freaked me out since I realized it, after considering the words of Karen Straughan. (aka GirlWritesWhat) The post referred to. It's societally accepted and not at all unusual for young women to start hating on men they consider "inferior" or undesirable in the context of the mating game. The only justification needed is for them to suspect that an "inferior" male likes them. Though it's (thankfully) not always the case, there are times when the male is not making …
/r/MensRights05/04/13 09:21 PM
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The admins are clearly fine with it. I see this as part of the problem. What he does is fine, but the way he got to do what he does smacks of corruptions and the creation of a privileged incumbent elite.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 04:56 AM
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its lowered the level of discourse on the forum quite a bit. Thank you for noticing!
/r/MensRights04/04/13 02:10 AM
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qgyh2 was some kind of reddit "hero" a few years back. "He" was probably the result of some kind of group astroturfing campaign for the purpose of making money off of affiliate links. He's another example of reddit's corruption by groups that game reddit for their own purposes. If you care about a cause that the reddit admins might not be cotton to, then it might be best to not put too much value in a subreddit for it.
/r/MensRights04/04/13 02:08 AM
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Come back with your shield, or on it.
/r/MensRights01/04/13 11:08 PM
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Can't you find something a little more substantial Took the words out of my mouth.
/r/MensRights01/04/13 10:22 PM
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Just as 'cogent' as your 'classist' comment... Doesn't know the difference between an argument and a stated opinion. fail.
/r/MensRights01/04/13 09:37 PM
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I would argue that it's foolish to say that a subset of sexism (institutional sexism) is the only thing that counts as sexism. Me too. I would also say it's foolish to suppose that non-institutional sexism is the same as other kinds of sexism. We're not even disagreeing, yet because I'm not towing the party line, people come sniffing around to see if I'm a feminist. This is the behavior of people who are looking to argue, bash, and vent their negative emotions, not actually engage. People are so…
/r/MensRights01/04/13 08:09 PM
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Are we able to actually modify the root constitution though? Aren't amendments changes made to it? I'm going to forget you had to ask that.
/r/MensRights01/04/13 08:02 PM
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What are you...a feminist? 'Classist'? Fuck off, Nancy. Nice cogent argument, there. Whoah! Strong words there buddy.... So, define 'power'....let's drill deeper into your obviously superior understanding.... Sorry, I don't engage trolls. Have a nice life.
/r/MensRights01/04/13 07:50 PM
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It can be abused, but it's not entirely foolish.
/r/MensRights01/04/13 03:15 PM
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I am a liberal, and yet I support you in your assertions about liberty and individual autonomy. Erosion of the Presumption of Innocence is a fundamental threat to personal liberty. You tar the entire category of liberal, yet I don't see any evidence that you understand what diverse views this encompasses, and how prevalent these are.
/r/MensRights01/04/13 06:35 AM
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she's... fat loud obnoxious trailer trash... You would have done better by leaving out this classist adhominem. Power is contextual. There are situations where she could have power and a man has little to none. Anyone can be a victim. Not everyone can understand what it's like to grow up facing discrimination, because you only have one childhood, but everyone can understand getting the short end of it if they sincerely try. The Power+Prejudice thing has validity, but it's not valid in the absolu…
/r/MensRights01/04/13 05:57 AM
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Not when rationality and clear thinking go out the window. Likewise, it is what is happening when rationality and clear thinking are the guiding principles. Honestly, how much emphasis is placed on that around here? How often are MRAs taken to task on by other MRAs on those grounds? How does that compare to the number of times commenters are seemingly taken to task because they "appear to disagree?" Really, just take a look and start counting. And again, being "better than feminism" is, by the w…
/r/MensRights01/04/13 03:11 AM
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Martin Luther King brought forward a movement of morality and justice which one could rest on a foundation of fundamental human rights. Contrast that with any number of other groups who advocated entitlement and advantage for their own. No movement is perfect, and neither was MLK's, but the principle still stands. Witness what happens when movements do not change with the times or start to forget or justify themselves away from their philosophical underpinnings.
/r/MensRights01/04/13 03:01 AM
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Lying under oath is normally subject to checks and balances in the adversarial trial system, but in the same way that women are scared to report rape, men can be scared of the "he said she said" scenario. There must be a way to increase reports without compromising a basic human right like the Presumption of Innocence. I would be able to support a "False Accuser" registry if it were subject to the same burden of proof, except that I'm not so sure the US government respects the Presumption of Inn…
/r/MensRights01/04/13 02:46 AM
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There is nothing wrong with bringing emotion into these issues, as long as it is recognized as emotion and not as "fact. This is what I am saying. When movements confuse the two, they cease to be instruments of justice.
/r/MensRights01/04/13 02:36 AM
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Well of course our position is not acceptable to the mainstream. That is why we need to change the mainstream. But if one is intellectually honest and informed by history, it should be clear that movements need to mature and change as well. It should also be apparent what happens to movements that persist but do not do this.
/r/MensRights01/04/13 02:34 AM
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The power of this video's message somes from its reference to First Principles of Human Rights, specifically that of the Freedom of Speech. It's apparent that many of the statements by persons in this film are devoid of consideration of this fundamental human right, or are willing to apply this right selectively with regard to gender. It's also apparent that many assertions by apparently pro-feminist people in this film are devoid of logic, and are primarily appealing to emotions. They are willi…
/r/MensRights01/04/13 02:20 AM
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I was surprised to learn that we do not have this directly enshrined as one of our rights in the US Constitution. Given recent events, it seems clear that we in the US should make this right and the power of the writ of Habeas Corpus explicit in the constitution. Those are just too big to leave as holes! Even Iran has it! I was so surprised by that, I submitted it as a TodayILearned..
/r/MensRights01/04/13 01:52 AM
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I don't see how anger at an injustice is an emotion we need to worry about. It has been a force behind most social changes. Yes, but when it takes over the function of the guiding principles, then you have a movement with an uncontrolled steering mechanism. Jokes often make fun of what people know, so depending upon the knowledge base of the listeners the joke can be well received or not well received. Yes, but have only jokes only appreciated by one side is a sign that there is no emotional ope…
/r/MensRights01/04/13 01:47 AM
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There are quite a few posts that are preaching to the crowd so they don't go through the full arguments every time, and quite a few posts that are not serious or intellectual in nature but I don't really see those as a problem. There is a problem if these come across as primarily motivated by negative emotions. If the subreddit is absolutely peppered with these, then it not only looks bad, but it might be a symptom of misplaced priorities. As adults, we must be guided by rational principles. A c…
/r/MensRights01/04/13 01:38 AM
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Would this stand up to the kind of analysis that Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky presented in Manufacturing Consent? I'm thinking of the column-inches analysis they did of newspapers. It's one thing to merely mention facts. One must also ask how such facts are presented. Are facts presented accompanying emotionally charged language? Which side does the emotionally charged language favor? Are the positions favoring one side preferentially placed in the medium? (In Newspapers, it would be on the…
/r/MensRights01/04/13 12:43 AM
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You are doing a great job of highlighting hypocrisy.
/r/MensRights01/04/13 12:26 AM
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This subreddit is more dedicated to the facts, more logical and less bigoted that basically any feminist organization. Implied by the assertion of many commenters here, this would be setting the bar kinda low, like a civil rights organization that justified itself as being more rational than racial hate groups. I would rather set the bar high. People who are motivated by justice will be motivated to set the bar for rationality and fairness at a high level -- that simply follows logically. Such p…
/r/MensRights01/04/13 12:25 AM
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Where do egalitarians hang out?
/r/MensRights31/03/13 11:24 PM
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Right. It should have been "be adults."
/r/MensRights31/03/13 11:23 PM
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flogging feminism (or a straw man of it) is very easy-to-consume. Flogging feminism is probably one of the easiest ways to karma-whore in this sub.
/r/MensRights31/03/13 11:23 PM
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til we can get our shit together, stop focusing on other people and BE MEN Defining for the rest of us "what it is to be a man"... Better termed as "be adults." I think it's fair for adults to discuss what it means to be an adult -- so long as it's done rationally and with respect. To me, being an adult is being open to the possibility of being wrong, and admitting it when it comes around. For me, I think being an adult involves logic, and a respect for clear and cogent discussion. What's embarr…
/r/MensRights31/03/13 11:20 PM
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some people really need to vent about issues which personally affect future relationships, jobs, job prospects, and their futures As a gedankenexperiment, I can imagine a group of African Americans meeting in the 60's to commiserate, rant, and give each other emotional support. I can imagine such a group educating itself and relying on just principles to give it direction. I can also imagine such a group wallowing in emotion and jingoism and failing to adopt rational principles. The difference b…
/r/MensRights31/03/13 11:13 PM
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What is your view of being a man. How I interpreted it from the op: 1) Be positive 2) Be logical 3) Be educated 4) Be principled And it's more justly termed as Being an Adult -- because I expect all of the above from both women and men. Shaming males from expressing feelings and viewpoints is a pretty low thing, which feminists are trying to do. Shaming us for having opinions. Feelings unguided by rationality and principles can be turned against the cause of men. They can be used to vilify men. …
/r/MensRights31/03/13 11:06 PM
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Please tell me, what harm do ignorant facebook posts do? The answer: Ignorant Facebook posts make people look ignorant to the informed and serve to incite the ignorant. The question to ask oneself is this: Are my allies truth and rationality, or are they ignorance and hate?
/r/MensRights31/03/13 10:59 PM
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From my experience, Feminist thinking is based more on their feelings and emotions rather than logic. This is the weapon of the enemy. We do not need it. We will not use it.
/r/MensRights31/03/13 10:56 PM
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If Feminism causes men to be oppressed, then it's okay because women deserve equity. I don't even know how to respond to that. Growing up, we had a response for such illogic: "Two wrongs don't make a right." If oppression of women is wrong, because they are human beings with inalienable rights, then either her position is clearly wrong because men are also human beings, or she regards men as being inferior to women. By making such a statement, she is either advocating for gender supremacy, or sh…
/r/MensRights31/03/13 10:53 PM
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ok so shaming language Sort of meta-shaming language there. This sort of tactic is deployed by feminists to turn off rational discussion. trying to define what a man is by your own standards and not giving a damn who identifies I don't see it that way. I see the post as a call to drop the emotionally charged and often illogical tactics of feminists. It does not exclude anyone. Anyone can read and learn. Anyone can calm down and employ logic. Any movement had best realize that big swathes of the …
/r/MensRights31/03/13 10:48 PM
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Right. A rational argument based on first principles, like equality under the law and presumption of innocence, will ultimately play better than unfocused indignation and incoherent frustration.
/r/MensRights31/03/13 10:37 PM
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I want us (men, women, even the Canadians) to be better. The hate messages I'm getting, the deliberate misinterpretation of what I said... That is not getting better. And please believe me when I say, this isn't (buzzword warning) 'shaming language' - it's reality. Entirely related to this, I often see a rather low level of rigor and clear thinking in this sub. For a large population of this subreddit, the level of intellectual argument only needs to resemble logic, and doesn't need any level of…
/r/MensRights31/03/13 10:22 PM
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Classic bitch logic. Not so politely phrased. Still, I think the worst side-effect of feminism is this sort of "war on logic" that's been happening in recent years. A man "using logic on his girlfriend" is abusive? WTF? A man explaining something is "mansplaining" and abusive? And it's okay if a woman needs to explain something to a man? Beware of appeals to emotion as a stealthy form of asking you to turn off your brain. Logic is one of the things we do a lot better than the rest of the animals…
/r/MensRights28/03/13 11:20 PM
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Unfortunately, some of it is because people are less sympathetic about it. We don't speak up as often as we should. I know for a fact that there are guys who spice up their days by having random Asian people get out of their way. If someone told me that little Asian kids never get picked on in 21st century America, I'd be skeptical.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 07:30 PM
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Or are now. :/
/r/MensRights23/03/13 12:55 AM
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Before I entered the workforce, Dilbert was totally unfunny. Then, when I started working, Dilbert was hilarious. Then, after years of working, Dilbert was painfully funny.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 09:22 PM
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Didn't the author of Dilbert try to attack MRAs, only to get slammed by feminist nuts who thought he was attacking them? The extremists on the far ends of any spectrum tend to look eerily alike. MRAs who, despite what they might say, are mainly motivated by anger and bitterness tend to look a lot like gender-flipped feminists who, despite what they might say, are mainly motivated by anger and bitterness. In the same way, the most extreme ends of the "left/right" political spectrum, communists an…
/r/MensRights22/03/13 09:19 PM
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When in doubt, your opponents always hate black people and women. Because no one really gives a crap about Asians. (Disclosure: Korean-American here.) To some people: We do useful things for money. We're basically interchangeable tools or dolls. Really, we're human beings. Honest.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 09:05 PM
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Before I started working, I thought Dilbert was exaggerated, stupid, and irrelevant. Then, when I started working, I found it wonderfully relevant/true and extremely funny. Then, after many years in the workforce, I found it horribly relevant/true and depressingly/painfully funny.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 09:03 PM
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Not bankrupt... it's fine to include anti-feminism as a component. But it shouldn't be the central focus, and that's something that needs to be worked on. Even if a lot of problems are created by feminist efforts to marginalize men. I can see merit in this view. A bit of a false dichotomy/equivalence here (I get dem fallacies mixed) because MRM are not against females/women, on the basis of a biological trait. It is opposition to a viewpoint and philosophy held by men and women alike. Analogies …
/r/MensRights20/03/13 03:23 AM
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or mocks it. That's also a very good point. Widespread denial through mockery is actually even stronger evidence of a Rape Culture within feminism than just showing an ideology. So let's see here, we can establish: 1) The fact that men are raped 2) That some calling themselves "feminist" espouse ideologies justifying or denying the rape of men 3) That there are groups for whom the rape of men is a subject for derision Sounds like a Rape Culture to me. I think this is evidence that both men and w…
/r/MensRights20/03/13 02:51 AM
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Bigotry is an expression of power one group holds over another. Not so much. Bigotry is prejudice in place of a just evaluation and interaction. It's judging someone using preconceived notions in place of actual words and actions. Believe me, the disempowered can be plenty bigoted about individuals from privileged groups. Because PoC are disempowered, they can't oppress whites because they lack access to the institutional weapons of their current oppressors. Bull-Forking-Shite! You get someone i…
/r/MensRights20/03/13 02:18 AM
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What's most relevant to movements like MRM and feminism, is who people decide they can't trust and can't openly talk to. I don't think we naturally have a category of "those we disagree with, but still trust and can talk to," outside of the category of our closest friends. We have a tendency to lump together our ideological opponents as "potential enemies/enemies."
/r/MensRights19/03/13 10:48 PM
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So you're saying that the conceptual Hegelian sense of the non-person(the not-I) and the physical manifestation of that view, where the I differentiates itself from the non-I, is the same? I don't necessarily think so. It has to do with tribal identification. As social organisms, we obviously have a means of identifying our parents, siblings, and members of the village as not-self, but they are certainly people. I have no idea what you mean by, "Hegelian sense of the non-person."
/r/MensRights19/03/13 10:29 PM
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And where feminism perpetuates them we should oppose it. No, we should oppose the "them" as in the "the left overs from traditional society that oppress men." It should focus on those ideas. Focusing on those particular feminists gives them relevance they don't deserve. In the case where feminists espouse oppressive views, we are giving the worst feminists undeserved relevance, simultaneously ignoring those in that camp who might have views we like. We need to get away from the labels and focus …
/r/MensRights19/03/13 10:21 PM
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There just seems to be one level of "Other" that is equal to non-person, and basically is at the same level as potential enemy or enemy. I think this is why movements are so prone to blanket vilifying diverse and complex groups as "Other" and not to be trusted or spoken to open-heartedly.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 10:18 PM
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The lesson they should learn is not to get worked up when someone is trying to work you up for profit. How about, "Don't lose your cool and come across as a fool?" Oh, wait, it's the responsibility of the public to ignore the profanity and deliberate vileness to see the truth. Oh to be misunderstood! Oh the victimhood! Why oh why must Ms. Sarkeesian oppress us by exercising her 1st amendment rights? I've tried for a while to figure out what exactly you think I'm advocating You seem to be against…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 09:08 PM
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Any movement to deconstruct "Other-ing" is a feminist movement. I wonder if there's a way to express 'movement to deconstruct "Other-ing"' in Greek or some other language? That is the sort of thing I think the world needs more of. Movements can get energy from anger, but if they let anger take the reins away from reason and justice, then they become hate groups. There is too much "Othering" in our society today. If only feminism is only FOR and BY woman, then it's essentially, NOT an equal right…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 09:06 PM
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Any movement to deconstruct the Other IS feminist. There is a problem with human beings, in that we seem to only have one level of Other, when that is far out of line with reality.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 08:58 PM
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Few things more satisfying than hearing about a bigot getting their comeuppance. The lesson here: Use your brain and don't let your feelings get you carried away and wind up a bigot.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 08:53 PM
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That term being rape culture. That's a brilliant insight! The notion of "There is no such thing as rape for men," is actually an example of Rape Culture -- an ideology that covers for rape (against men) by denying its existence. There's not even any justification, it's simply rationalized out of existence.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 08:52 PM
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I joined this subreddit yesterday because I'm a feminist and am interested in men's rights. I applaud you for your forthrightness! I believe if we only focus on one side of the equation, we will not create balance, but instead tip the scale in the other direction. There's a kind of mental laziness that human beings like. I call it, "Slam the lever all the way." Humans like being able to push in just one direction, I guess because it can be a useful optimization. Nuance can be a pain sometimes. I…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 08:44 PM
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Thanks to you and shoegazer. I was beginning to think there were no true thinkers in /r/MensRights.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 08:28 PM
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Why does everybody seem to believe that a penis must be used for the crime to be rape? Indeed. Why does it seem that people forget that you don't have to penetrate someone to violate them? It can be as severely violating to be touched with no penetration. The point is not sex or procreation. The point is power and dominance. It's not the particular physical action that's of the most consequence. It's the context and how power and dominance plays out in it.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 08:24 PM
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Well she went off saying there's no such thing as equality for Men because we created the inequality in the first place. That's just like saying, "Only white people can be racist." That statement itself is an example of racism, and should the right person say it, its own counter-example. It's also in the same neighborhood of double-think that, "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
/r/MensRights19/03/13 08:17 PM
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Yeah, but people's prejudices are a very important factor in determining what it looks like. The gamer community needs to learn a lesson here. You can't get away with such loud voices advocating for the gamer side to come across "Internet F%ckwads." You can't moan and cry, "Oh, Prejudice! Prejudice! Those feminists are playing unfair!" No. The gamer side came across badly. Blaming everyone for being too stupid to see the truth and crying victimhood -- aren't those things people find so annoying …
/r/MensRights19/03/13 07:45 PM
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I agree entirely.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 07:39 PM
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Alaska is a Harsh Mistress Unfortunately, "Why Not" seems to just be a "Manic Pixie Dreamgirl." There's counterpart tropes to that, seems to me, which are just as harmful to males.
/r/TheRedPill19/03/13 07:37 PM
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You could be right about all this, but I'll believe it when I see a lot more evidence. I've seen a ton of evidence, and I'm far from the only one.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 07:33 PM
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So I'm gonna assume that when they show a man hitting the woman in games, it's the man that's the victim of a trope , right? Exactly! There's so much of this crap, too. Because right now, if that's the not the case in your mindset on this, the fact that you're indicating only women can be victims of tropes (specifically these two) is mind bogglingly feminist. Uh, where did I ever indicate that? BINGO! Caught you! Your own counter-factuals are showing through. I've only clarified Ms. Sarkeesian's…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 07:32 PM
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You're the one insinuating the gaming community is represented by middle schoolers on youtube. Uh, again, you're the only one using that word. There is a difference in a party actively r-wording and the public perceiving. Subject-object. Look it up. The difference is this: I don't have to care how the perceived group is internally organized. I'm only talking about the perception. The other big difference: Over $100,000 says you're wrong and I'm right.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 06:26 AM
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Try again. You're still the only one using the r-word. Look again. Also inaction is as bad as action, at times. If those voices are so inconsequential, where are the consequential, thoughtful ones? Are they the ones here? If so, that's pitiful! Again, where is the consequential, thoughtful response? The loudest, and most inconsequential. But that little tidbit ruins your narrative doesn't it? Nope, but it's the rickety stilt that's the only thing propping up yours, apparently. That's why you kee…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 06:22 AM
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You're the one insinuating the gaming community is represented by middle schoolers on youtube. Nah, but you keep attempting to insinuate that strawman position. (Or is the subtle difference there beyond you?) Look at the record. You're the only one using the r-word like that. Face facts, man. The gaming community as a whole lost a PR battle, because the loudest voices heard are negative and juvenile. And if it's SO unfair that the public doesn't understand it's just a bunch of middle schoolers o…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 05:37 AM
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"Purposeful group campaign by an anonymous group to intimidate her" Nice. Putting words into my mouth there. Go back and try the real meaning. When did youtube trolls suddenly represent the gaming community? Strawman much? Find me an instance of a credible and popular gaming community endorsing trolling Sarkeesian. That's just devoid. It doesn't matter if the thing was organized or where, when, how, and how much it was organized. This is what it looked like: a bunch of people uniting to effectiv…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 05:21 AM
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On average women are not as effective at physical jobs as men. Not just the military, but also areas like construction, fire fighters, etc. Sure. The only reason to pull women into these occupations would be if there was a shortage of more physically able men...This has nothing to do with antiquated notions. Believe it or not, people in the past weren't as stupid as is generally supposed . It is just people back then had more common sense and less political correctness. I'm discussing what to do…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 05:03 AM
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Snipers today carry a boatload more gear than Soviet snipers carried in WWII. The idea of 99.9% of women humping a full combat load for an M107 is laughable. Heck, most men couldn't do it either. That's a good point I hadn't considered. In WWII, a Mosin Nagant could be a sniper platform. Modern sniper weapons are monsters in comparison. Sniper teams will also never be replaced by drones, because drones simply cannot do the job of a sniper team, which involves a lot more than simply eliminating t…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 03:24 AM
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she was a no one making lazy videos who got attacked by internet trolls(because that happening is so totally unique to her) From what I've seen, she was the target of a purposeful group campaign, commensurate with a smaller Anon action. It was meant to intimidate her into silence. The language used by the action was hateful and juvenile. It went far beyond just expressing dissent and involved attempts to hack her private communications. The way I read what happened, is that the gaming community …
/r/MensRights19/03/13 03:09 AM
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Am I objectifying the victims of natural disasters when I send them money? Am I objectifying a person who is choking when I heinous them? (Heimlich) According to GirlWritesWhat, yes you are!. (It's a great video, so watch it all if you have time.) And there's nothing wrong with that, so long as you're not being an asshole at the same time. This sort of strident over-sensitivity about what can be neutral words, as if they are markers of sin, is exactly what we find annoying about "Feminists." Tho…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 02:51 AM
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Wow, this video manages to go ridiculously wrong ridiculously early. Going to burn some karma, but I have to say it was also hard for me to watch past 4:30. Assuming that one exception very late in one game completely removes the existence of a pattern is sheer stupidity. Yeah. This is a "point score" straw man system of beliefs the op imagines is Anita's position, which has nothing to do with Anita Sarkeesian's actual position. Dramatic violent nut-punching has nothing to do with the Damsel tro…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 02:34 AM
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Some interesting books that I read through (library...). Titles? The problem with women is that they mess with the men, which isn't as much of an issue fighting inside of a city (such as Stalingrad), and logistics, because they require more resources from tampons to medical supplies, and get hurt more often/easily, also not as much of an issue within a city. Helicopters also change this equation. Should ground units lose the benefits of air superiority and helicopters, though, that would be inco…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 01:16 AM
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Everyone starts of the same and branches out from there, if they allowed her in the military based on the fact she wanted an out of the dangerzone job, but later on changed her mind because she wants more hands-on combat, they'd be shouting about inequality because she passed the same (lowered) standards as men, and she's worth just as much. Yes, you wouldn't want to set up such a way to game the system. But this is a circumstance of the organization the US military happens to have today. There'…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 01:11 AM
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Cool. Where'd you pick up the data? But for the present discussion, what is the workload of a modern sniper like in today's battlefields? How much offensive vs. defensive?
/r/MensRights19/03/13 12:55 AM
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Sounds like the boss in a Mr. Hankey RPG.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 12:35 AM
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Maybe this should be up to people who run wars and have actual data, and be decided based on those data? Exactly how often were snipers in Afghanistan and Iraq required to act as front-line soldiers, and in how many of those situations did physical strength play a role? Even the hand to hand training of some elite ground forces nowadays emphasizes "returning to applying your most effective tool." In other words, use whatever means necessary to quickly get the enemy in front of the barrel of your…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 12:28 AM
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What if a woman is a world-class shooter and devastatingly efficient in the sniper role? Some would object, saying that she would be in additional danger if she were to find herself in circumstances outside that role. I say, if she's clear on the risks and good at her job, then let her do it. A part of what oppresses men, is some leftover part of the notion that women are precious flowers and need extra protection, above and beyond men.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 12:11 AM
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For A1, 2, and 4, it's just saying "Don't sentence men harsher than women". Which doesn't help without a system to actually enforce that. There are the courts. Evidently, it is possible to file a lawsuit for discriminatory prosecution. I don't know if any of these have succeeded, however.
/r/MensRights19/03/13 12:07 AM
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B2. I don't care much for military either so I'd have to say "no draft". But if there was one, I'd say that both genders should attend. Not "proportionally" where 50% women and 50% men but if the "birthday lottery" is ever reinstated, both genders should be involved. I agree. The military could accommodate the extra hands by re-absorbing tasks that are now outsourced to contractors. There could be provisions for fulfilling draft service in various non front-line roles, with allocation according …
/r/MensRights19/03/13 12:06 AM
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It's arguable that some physical standards may need adjustment from the time they were set due to changing technological factors. Soviet snipers of both sexes were undeniably effective. Then again, any ground soldier could conceivably be pulled into a situation outside of their primary role. The right thing to do would be to defer decisions to experts who manage combat. (And hopefully, they properly use data to guide decisions.) Given these and other precedents, lots of them much more recent, it…
/r/MensRights18/03/13 11:46 PM
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The idea that men are always bad and women are always sweet, innocent victims is yet another simplistic Victorian idea, just like the simplistic notion that wildfires are BAD and wolves are BAD and deer are GOOD. Those ideas caused ecosystem distortions throughout North America, even in highly cherished places like US National Parks. There is a useful analogy here. Men sometimes oppressed women for their own interests in the bad old times, but some women also selfishly oppressed men. We're all h…
/r/MensRights18/03/13 09:45 PM
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Yes I read Lord of the Flies. It's a work of fiction. Did you catch the subliminal homosexual gang rape bit? You didn't? Naive! Yes, it's fiction, but it's a classic because it speaks to truths about human nature. Unpleasant ones. And homoerotically charged dominance and aggression was important enough in that picture for the author to go to the extra effort to sneak it in. I'll tell you what, if you think this sort of thing is common, why not talk to a few of your friends from other states. See…
/r/MensRights18/03/13 08:51 AM
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Honestly that sort of thing doesn't "just happen". I could see it in situations with extreme sexual frustration (prison), but your story sounds more like a culture of abuse. The younger kids are abused by the older kids, and turn around to abuse again. Such cultures seem to have a tendency to arise, given certain sets of conditions. Sounds like the kind of story to make national news because it's so very rare. Maybe things have changed that much in the past 25 years. My initial reaction, though …
/r/MensRights18/03/13 07:35 AM
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Well I did survive high school. Were there times and places in the school where the adults were afraid to go alone? Did you ever have students kidnapped by groups of other students, tied to chairs, and tortured for information? Were there weird clandestine group psychological torture sessions after hours where new students were required to stand in shower rooms dressed in woolen overcoats holding rifles and chanting shit? I'm not sure I have your story straight. Are these closet gay guys, or do …
/r/MensRights18/03/13 06:57 AM
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In Alaska, it used to be 10:1 male:female. In Alaska they used to say, "You don't lose your woman. You just lose your turn."
/r/TheRedPill18/03/13 06:40 AM
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I wouldn't call that sexual dominance. Oh come on! With no women around, I guess some guys just can't find any other way to be better than others. BZZZT! Gotcha! On the same campus there was a also a girl's academy. Also, sports was emphasized at the school, and there were plenty of other manly outlets. Latent homosexuality is a thing. It's one of the things resorted to when guys strive to be shocking. It's not necessarily about mating. It's about dominance. You really don't know much about this…
/r/MensRights18/03/13 06:35 AM
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....well, that escalated quickly. Hey, you're the one who went straight to Top Gun
/r/MensRights18/03/13 06:23 AM
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Okay, you mean rape? You're saying that alpha hetero guys would rape other guys to keep them down? What are you smoking? Wow, straw man much? "Okay, you mean <obvious strawman>?" No, I said latent homosexuality. As it so happens, I attended a military academy. There is a lot of latent homosexuality in barracks and locker rooms. At my school, in my unit, it consisted of guys climbing on top of other guys and pounding their fists into the other guy's chest. It was a thing. There was even a name fo…
/r/MensRights18/03/13 06:04 AM
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You can be my wingman any time. No man, you can be mine! Also WARNING: Oglaf (The actual line begins with "bullshit," but I think that sounds too harsh.)
/r/MensRights18/03/13 03:52 AM
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but they would give workshops to men in general about being victims of street violence. There's nothing unPC about that. However, it doesn't harmonize with men as a monolithic oppressor class. If they were to give workshops to men in general, then this would lead them down a slippery slope of class/power relationships between men, which would lead to power relationships between high status females and low status males. That last bit would then start to demolish their narrative of men as a monoli…
/r/MensRights18/03/13 03:42 AM
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It makes me uncomfortable that the A Voice For Men website has pictures of "Featured Offenders," most of whom are labeled as "Bigot." Adhominem attacks and identifications have more to do with appeals to the emotions and visceral feelings. I'd rather have "Featured Offenses" and links to articles outlining facts or references to their bigotry. That reduces the tendency towards personalized hate and moves in the direction of pointing out the truth and going towards a more rational society.
/r/MensRights18/03/13 12:42 AM
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Oh, hell no! They could make so much out of that! "Men are mindless animalistic dominance seekers with no qualms about using rape in their dominance games." (Actually, my view is that both men and women easily degenerate to this level unless they are mindful.) This wouldn't be PC, though, because it would be seen as saying bad things about homosexuality.
/r/MensRights17/03/13 10:49 PM
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What's the reason? Because latent homosexuality is all over single sex environments, like locker rooms, single sex school dormitories, nerdy sausage fests, and army barracks. This is especially true where there are multiple males with alpha qualities (physically fit, aggressive attitudes) amongst multiple males with non-alpha qualities. (less aggressive) When there are multiple potential alpha males, there is a dominance struggle to decide who is alpha. One way that such candidate alphas have of…
/r/MensRights17/03/13 10:11 PM
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I presume there's a study of unknown quality with numbers in it somewhere. Thinking more than 1 forwards step required in this league.
/r/MensRights17/03/13 05:41 AM
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You just made me think. The MRM may well be working uphill against the very parts of our brain that make children and kittens cute.
/r/MensRights17/03/13 04:20 AM
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It definitely was an oversight on Sarkesian's part to ignore the fact that Peach and Zelda are kidnapped BECAUSE they're so powerful, with Peach being the head of state of the entire Mushroom Kingdom, pretty much everywhere in any Mario game, apart from some places in the Galaxy games, and Zelda wielding the Triforce of Wisdom (and also being head of state of Hyrule in several games) Yes, but her point is about the actions you see, not about text in the backstory. What you see them doing is what…
/r/MensRights17/03/13 04:19 AM
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(The following is not directly addressed to idontgiveitout.) There is some strong language, stridency, and grasping-for-straws poor logic here. It's understandable that emotions are high, because lots of men have been seriously screwed over, and there is clearly institutional and societal injustice. Unfortunately, it is too easily absorbed into the feminist ideological narrative of men as likely violent misogynist oppressors. Lots of people were turned off by militant black activism, to the poin…
/r/MensRights17/03/13 03:08 AM
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If I'm biased after the video, it's somewhat earned, or I'm just an ass. I just call it being human. I mean, all our shit stinks. We just need to be hygenic. (Be the one without the skidmarks!)
/r/MensRights17/03/13 02:36 AM
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I was just pointing out that many who champion the banner of feminism claim to fight for an egalitarian world view. From what I've seen, between Feminism and MRM, there's bias on all fronts. Has there ever been a bias-free movement? I think that only ever happens for a short time, around a core group of highly influential and idealistic people. But when someone labels themselves a critic, generally there is give and take, unless they are working an angle. This was mostly propagandizing, and not …
/r/MensRights17/03/13 02:34 AM
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I was in this big group therapy type exercise where we all imagined we were on a cruise, then the ship sunk, and there was only 1 lifeboat, then we were supposed to decide what to do. Everyone was mired in endless debate, and there was a time limit. I almost decided to get 5 women together and sneak into the lifeboat myself. Should've done it. (Well, that's what my 19 year old self thought. Me 25 years later is a different story.)
/r/MensRights17/03/13 02:01 AM
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You don't successfully discredit bias with bias of your own. If the truth is on your side, then confidently take the high road.
/r/MensRights17/03/13 01:54 AM
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How much time have you spent talking to feminists? Enough to find a useful grouping of them into two subsets. All but the most radical claim the movement is fighting for equality. The title of the movement may have gender attached, but equality doesn't. And it isn't like they just forgot to add the qualifier, they really believe the movement has equality for both genders in mind. There is a subset that earnestly wants equality. There is another subset that just wants reparations. There's also an…
/r/MensRights17/03/13 01:52 AM
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It'd be a shit storm if it was vice versa. Nah. Though, to be fair, it would probably have been worded as, "In a world dominated by men, it's men who benefit from change." It's a headline about a study, for heaven's sakes. What do you want, the MRM version of political correctness?
/r/MensRights17/03/13 01:25 AM
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It is wrong to call any demographic group superior to another. They're not calling one group superior. It's a headline about some study that found a difference along demographic lines. If this is sexist, then by the same logic, it's sexist to say that men have to pay more child support. It's a headline about some study, not a blessing from the Harvardly-Father! Please don't do this. It makes it look like men are grasping for straws. It makes it sound like we want our own brand of political corre…
/r/MensRights17/03/13 01:23 AM
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No, I don't think it's wrong to have products aimed primarily at one gender or another. I also don't think it's bad to have products aimed at both. I can see how making media for kids that narrowly panders to what sells to them could be harmful. Think about food that narrowly panders to their tastes. If a kid entirely decided his/her own diet and you had to eat it too, it would kill you! The same goes for the mental diet. Seems like lots of young folks these days don't know how to act in a whole…
/r/MensRights17/03/13 12:48 AM
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Like so many feminists analysing media, they focus on the image of women, and don't even take the time to really appreciate how fucked over men are on the opposite end in the same situation. The thing is, we men overall don't really feel threatened or f8cked-over by those as much, though perhaps we should. Why is it that a male character is admired because they're an alpha-male badass, and they either have to be ripped, cut, and/or rich? If you're the plucky clever underdog, then you're a kid or…
/r/MensRights17/03/13 12:32 AM
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Zelda is also a badass. Did she even play the LoZ games. In Wind Waker she was a pirate queen. In OoT she was a fucking ninja. Both times she was the keeper of the triforce of wisdom. You just provided evidence that you didn't actually watch her video.
/r/MensRights17/03/13 12:18 AM
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She had to work awfully hard to make the damsel thing as big a deal as she made it out to be. Pulling from very old Japanese made games doesn't do much to say this is still a problem. ... Furthermore, what other motivation is a teenager going to really understand? Losing a child? Extreme wealth? Leadership figure? Not quite the hormonal drive that rescuing a woman would have. So, you seem to be saying that it's only a demographic consequence of early gamer audiences being primarily teenaged boys…
/r/MensRights17/03/13 12:17 AM
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Sex is a good example. Men stereotypically are very driven by sex. This becomes the inflated stereotype that men are rutting pigs that will fuck anything that moves and are constantly fighting to resist the urge to rape the nearest woman. People complain about the "over-sexualized" image of African-Americans of both sexes as being harmful to that community. The over-sexualized image of men in general is harmful. The idea that you have to be constantly bedding women, or else you are a loser resul…
/r/MensRights17/03/13 12:01 AM
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- Integrity - Intellectual honesty - Humility - Benevolence - Courage (In the sense of speaking the truth) These should be for women as well.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 11:51 PM
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What about integrity? What about intellectual honesty? Admitting you are wrong when you are definitely wrong, and allowing for the possibility if you can't be sure?
/r/MensRights16/03/13 11:49 PM
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I can definitely relate to this story, though not in the exact same circumstances. I just broke up with a woman who would find it too dangerous to speak up to a stranger like this, and so would need to have a man she knew speak up for her. (Actually, she was so shy, she wouldn't even enlist the help of a male who wasn't a close friend.) What's even funnier about this is that the woman wasn't even hot. There's something I find cold and calculating about this sentence.
/r/MensRights16/03/13 11:40 PM
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Louis C. K. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFgkeflxJXk#t=1607s
/r/MensRights16/02/13 06:27 PM
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