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| 1 | Let's help each other learn in lockdown...Why? Why do they "need" to raise children? Do men also need to raise children to qualify as proper human beings? | /r/MensRights | 01/04/20 12:09 PM |
| 1 | Let's help each other learn in lockdown...PS i suppose I should say why. But tbh I need to get to the liquor store before it closes... | /r/MensRights | 29/03/20 06:44 AM |
| 1 | Let's help each other learn in lockdown...So you honestly think that women who never have children, by choice or because of infertility, are basically retarded. I think your theory is retarded. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/20 06:43 AM |
| 1 | Let's help each other learn in lockdown...Sorry but that's so bizarre. What on earth are you talking about?! Psychically mutilated how? And in what way are post-feminist women less psychologically mature than pre-feminist women? | /r/MensRights | 29/03/20 05:30 AM |
| 1 | Let's help each other learn in lockdown...It's an open-mind challenge, basically. How many much feminist stuff have you read? How much do you know about it, really? I'm reading the Feminist Lie right now, but so far am not very impressed. The tone is so emotive, so sneering. Still, it may get better... | /r/MensRights | 29/03/20 04:01 AM |
| 0 | Wondered what the MRA position is on transgender women?I must say I agree with much of what you say, although I don't think we need to call anyone a "cunt". At the same time, I've only ever met one transgender woman and spoken with her at length, and that was way back in the 1990s. This person was inclined to have an attitude like , "if you disagree with me about anything, you are Hitler, because I'm transgender and what I say goes." At the time, I secretly felt like I was being bullied by a manipulative man, not a "woman". But that's just one bad e… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/20 12:06 AM |
| 0 | STILL GETTING ACCUSED OF GYNOCENTRISM!And I don't know where he gets the idea that women's vaginas are getting exposed anywhere other than in pornography which caters to men... | /r/MensRights | 27/03/20 08:20 PM |
| 0 | STILL GETTING ACCUSED OF GYNOCENTRISM!Well I googled it, and it seems my assumptions are correct. Some website which combines MRA with Christianity had a whole sermon on GYNOCENTRISM. Below are "13 examples of gynocentrism in America today" from sermon in question: Some news headlines go something like this: “250 migrants killed in boat capsizing, including 16 women.” Why are women highlighted? We’re warned: “Never put your hands on a woman even if she put her hands on you.” You can’t hit a woman, but she can hit you. When a man kil… | /r/MensRights | 27/03/20 08:18 PM |
| 0 | STILL GETTING ACCUSED OF GYNOCENTRISM!That's what I mean! You say all of the above, but where is it substantiated? I thought this sub was meant to be "reals not feels". Give me some "reals" on these male deaths that occur because of gynocentric divorce. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/20 06:07 PM |
| 1 | STILL GETTING ACCUSED OF GYNOCENTRISM!Okay ....you mean the old-fashioned "women and children first in the lifeboats" idea? | /r/MensRights | 27/03/20 04:48 PM |
| 0 | STILL GETTING ACCUSED OF GYNOCENTRISM!Hey I referred readers to my original post for the context. I don't think I'm click baiting or dismissive. On the contrary, I feel dismissed by repeated allegations of "gynocentricity". Which I have asked people to clarify. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/20 04:45 PM |
| 1 | STILL GETTING ACCUSED OF GYNOCENTRISM!Well, thanks. It does indeed suck. It would suck less if her Dad wasn't so ruthlessly adversarial/dismissive! I have a really close relationship with my daughter despite all he has done - which is a great deal - to make her shun me. It's a shame for her because she has to stage her relationship with both of us in terms of this "Mum and Dad hate each other" assumption. I would like to at least try to get over this hatred. Even if it's not "sincere" but just "polite" and for "her sake". Politeness… | /r/MensRights | 27/03/20 12:51 PM |
| 1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleasePrior to reforms people of both genders and of all ages worked in mines, factories, etc, doing dangerous work. | /r/MensRights | 26/03/20 02:56 AM |
| 1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseI guess maybe I hear a lot from "outliers" because of my feminist views. But the latter don't preclude me from supporting MRA per se. I'm on your side about quite a few things. But I don't think the "anti-woman or "anti-feminist" focus of much of the discussion here is getting MRAs anywhere at all. Some MRAs seem to think that by definition, MRA means anti-feminism. Therein lies the way to unproductive hate-discourse. Most feminists don't hate men. They question male privilege, of course, but in… | /r/MensRights | 23/03/20 04:38 AM |
| 1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseOkay so feminism is too stupid to be "evil", but still harmful? if so, why are you complaining about it? Or to put it differently, if feminism is too dumb to be evil, or too dumb to harm men, why does an MRA movement exist? | /r/MensRights | 22/03/20 02:52 AM |
| 1 | Female dating strategy is a misandrist hell holeAs a woman I assure everyone that the reason for all of the above is not "manipulation" in the cynical, nasty sense. It's just a fact that in general men put a lower value on women who chase them. I can vouch for this at least anecdotally. Typical scenario might be you start seeing someone, and then they abruptly dump for you no reason, or maybe there is a reason (you've had a fight). As a woman your chances of getting him back decrease in inverse proportion to the number of times you contact hi… | /r/MensRights | 22/03/20 02:42 AM |
| 1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseSo ethnically you put feminists on a par with ideologies like nazism: irredeemably evil? | /r/MensRights | 22/03/20 02:09 AM |
| 1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseLook what do want on this sub? "Echo chamber" or some lively debate and exchange of views? I'm trying to introduce the latter. That's not trolling. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/20 12:07 AM |
| 0 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseI don't have a problem with the word cunt per se. "Lady love your cunt!", as Germaine Greer said. It's the spirit in which Elam uses it, which is filled with hatred. Men often call women "cunts" to express their contempt. For Elam, females are fundamentally "cunts". Why else dub those who fight for women's rights as "cuntists". Btw I've told no lies. I've analyzed some of the lamer MRA theses, and indulged in a little hyperbole here and there for effect - as is perfectly obvious to any intellige… | /r/MensRights | 22/03/20 12:02 AM |
| -1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseI've got better manners and more laudable motives than "boy next door" Paul Elam, who gets praised for both his brutal manly honesty and Wildean wit when he comes up with words like "cuntists". | /r/MensRights | 21/03/20 04:06 PM |
| 1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseHey, you guys DO trash women. That's what the majority of you do. Women are consistently portrayed by quite a few men on this sub as responsible for practically every misfortune or hardship that befalls men. For example: "proxy violence". I've repeatedly read posts claiming that if you factor in male suicide, domestic violence "kills" more men than women. Women are accused of being in cahoots with "armed agents of the state". Usually these armed agents are called cops, unless they're arresting a… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/20 02:11 PM |
| 1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleasePs my late mother told me about "night soil men" who used to collected waste from outside toilets. But that was in the 1950s at the very latest... | /r/MensRights | 21/03/20 12:32 PM |
| 1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseReally? Hell where is this, the US? In Australia septic tanks are increasingly rare but I've lived in one house that had a septic tank ... if it needed regulating, it was always a job for a plumber. Among other things, there's a high risk of hepatitis etc and there's no way you'd be able to get it done on the cheap by an unskilled person... | /r/MensRights | 21/03/20 12:29 PM |
| 1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseThat's sad to hear, of course. I believe the situation in Italy is considerably more acute than where I am (Australia), and I don't doubt doctors will stick their necks out if they must. But precisely because they ARE the doctors, it's likely that they'd be positioned as less dispensable than the nurses. Even though with an illness like this there's not really anything much that can be done except nursing tasks - keeping fevers down, monitoring people on ventilators and so forth. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/20 11:44 AM |
| 1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseAren't "septic tank cleaners" otherwise known as "plumbers"? Plumbing is dirty work but it's a damn good trade with sterling pay. My own plumber makes more money than my GP. I never heard of this cadre of sweated male laborers engaged in "septic tank cleaning" But maybe it's different in America ... Likewise, a "crime scene cleaner", at least in a violent death, is not a specific job on its own. I've had a violent death in my own family (suicide) and the "cleaners" were cops, coronial photograph… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/20 11:40 AM |
| 1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseEverybody dies anyway. Soldiers are people employed by nation states to inflict violent unnecessary deaths on other men ("the enemy", and very often civilians too, including children. I'm not saying that they aren't nice people, and I'm not forgetting that historically a lot of men (or rather boys) weren't even given a choice. But I don't buy this "soldiers protect us pampered women thing", at least not in the context of either world war, nor Vietnam. The Russians won World War 2. In the process… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/20 11:27 AM |
| 1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseHey, male nurses are great. Most nurses are great. My point was that this is one example of job that's essential, highly responsible, plus often very dirty work and very risky. Not as risky as being a soldier in a war, perhaps. But (discounting regional crises like the Israel/Palestine situation) give me one example of an ongoing permanent war? Most career soldiers are only engaged in active combat for a tiny minority of their service - some never see any combat at all. Not so nurses. In triage … | /r/MensRights | 21/03/20 11:01 AM |
| -1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseRe: I totally get what you say on university job. I was going for that and would perhaps have the same shitty life if i had as much support for studies and internship than women with lower grades. Sorry. I am a little tired and not sure what you are saying. Are you suggesting that "women with lower grades" in academia get exploited by being tracked into dead-end jobs where the longest "contract" is one semester long, with no sick pay or holiday pay or any guarantee of ongoing employment? Or are … | /r/MensRights | 21/03/20 10:37 AM |
| 1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseJust because overall there's been higher than usual levels of people on this sub saying women only do easy jobs, never anything nasty or dangerous, like being a fireman or a soldier or (popular example) garbage collector. I imagine there aren't more women collecting garbage because it requires quite a lot of physical strength. But is it inherently more revolting or hard than cleaning toilets at a shopping mall, nursing home or bus station? I've cleaned toilets. You spend most of your time hunche… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/20 10:27 AM |
| -5 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseI don't see what's "trollish" about bringing this up. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/20 04:27 AM |
| 1 | MRAs: acknowledge that women DO proper and necessary jobs pleaseWell, give me a list! I've done plenty of utterly shit jobs.The obviously shit ones, like cleaning toilets. Half-breaking my back hauling unfortunates around at nursing homes, on occasion literally up to my elbows in human faeces (this is why I'll never quit smoking: you DONT want to get that old!) I've had bogus "good on paper" jobs with universities, writing and lecturing without any job security whatsoever and no D.O.T time. Even though I published a book, I couldn't even get a one year contr… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/20 04:26 AM |
| 1 | Why some family violence is worse than others and context matters"Reed"? I can read. I can spell too. | /r/MensRights | 15/03/20 11:03 PM |
| 1 | Why some family violence is worse than others and context mattersPs the Conflicts Tactics Scale is the survey method that produces claims like "women are more violent than men", not my "melodrama". I'm surprised you haven't heard of it. | /r/MensRights | 14/03/20 03:56 AM |
| 1 | Why some family violence is worse than others and context mattersOkay, so your position is: zero tolerance for all violence, and all violence is equally bad. Violence that causes a person to be badly injured or killed is ethically no worse than violence that doesn't result in injury/death. The only excuse for violence is if someone hit you first. Whoever hit you first ought to cop "equal" retaliatory violence. Feminists need to recognize that equality ain't all beer and skittles. If a woman instigates violence, she's got violence coming - that's the "truly eg… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/20 03:54 AM |
| 0 | Why some family violence is worse than others and context mattersWe both know what we are talking about here. We're not talking about hitting a man over "hurt feelings". Or who hit who first. In the Conflict Tactics Scale survey, one of the questions is " has your partner kicked you in the last 12 months. Being kicked repeatedly in the head, or kicked down a flight of stairs, is not the same thing as being kicked in the shins. Not all hits and kicks are as dangerous. That's all I am saying and all I ever wanted to say when I began this thread. CONTEXT MATTERS… | /r/MensRights | 13/03/20 08:33 PM |
| 1 | Why some family violence is worse than others and context mattersYou know how in boxing there's different "divisions" based on weight and so forth? Like heavy weight, medium weight, bantam weight? Why do you suppose these divisions exist? To make the fight, uh, fair? There's no "equality" in some guy smacking around a woman half his size. Get real. | /r/MensRights | 13/03/20 07:13 PM |
| 1 | Why some family violence is worse than others and context mattersOkay darling, keep your cock in your pants! It seems I am incorrect: mutual combat IS legislated as a defense to certain classes of assault, in one Texan statute. While I don't have a law degree- inferior or otherwise - I still feel fairly safe in saying that if you beat your girlfriend up because she smacked your face, citing "mutual combat", even in Texas, wouldn't get you very far. Or shouldn't, anyway. Unless before she slapped you, that gal said "right, honey, let's engage in mutual combat!… | /r/MensRights | 13/03/20 06:55 AM |
| 1 | Why some family violence is worse than others and context mattersWhat the fuck has this to do with domestic violence? This defense seems connected with assaults connected with being a "professional" assailant, like a boxer or a surgeon. Give me one example of how this defense has been successfully argued in a domestic violence case... | /r/MensRights | 13/03/20 03:21 AM |
| 0 | Feminist propaganda has successfully created several new concepts (wage gap, #metoo, mansplaining etc). MRAs, although they often have the truth on their side, haven't managed to create one single "buzzword"?The father's rights/MRA movement has had some huge wins with "jargon". For example, domestic violence is now routinely referred to as "family violence" even though about 85 percent of the time the perp is a man. | /r/MensRights | 13/03/20 02:48 AM |
| -2 | Fathers whose children flee their abusive mothers have to go through many hoops in order to stop paying child support and have no hope of receiving it. End state funded theft from children. Tweet with me to seek justice.I'm a a mum and when my ex didn't want to pay child support anymore, he just stopped bringing her to see me, despite court order. And even though he was breaking the law, from the point of view of the child support agency, that was that - end of child support obligation because of illegally refusing me access to child. Broke my heart and ruined my life. | /r/MensRights | 13/03/20 02:23 AM |
| 1 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereI think the rude comment may have been intended for me (OP) | /r/MensRights | 09/03/20 01:02 AM |
| 1 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereI'm sorry you feel I haven't answered your remark ...what I meant was that while I disagree Elam's piece was properly satire in the literary sense, I did take your point about his use of exaggeration. That is a satirical move - use of exaggeration. But for me that exaggeration fell flat because (to me) Elam's tone was very grim. I didn't feel like "here's a guy making a joke" - my reaction was "here's a guy who would seriously love to do this". Or even, "here's a guy who HAS done this". Of cours… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/20 10:57 PM |
| 1 | New term: agroan (adj) - describing another reminder of a canard that you've long known is false but must politically accept as trueWhat's a "canard"? | /r/MensRights | 08/03/20 02:59 PM |
| 1 | New term: agroan (adj) - describing another reminder of a canard that you've long known is false but must politically accept as trueWhat's a "canard"? | /r/MensRights | 08/03/20 02:59 PM |
| 1 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereHe should hit her back. Teach her not to hit, just not use full force and be gentle on her. Slap her, make sure she knows he won't take her shit. Better curb it early on, or you might snap like Ray did. A measured spanking on her ass and let her know she should think twice before hitting you. Men are not doormats for women and not all men are stoic machines. Teach women not to hit and not to start fights. LOL! You wouldn't be into BDSM by any chance? | /r/MensRights | 08/03/20 12:10 PM |
| 1 | Why some family violence is worse than others and context mattersYou'll have to give me a link, please. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/20 12:08 PM |
| 1 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereI did read his whole post. There's nothing he says in that post which redeems him. If anything, reading the whole post just makes him seem even worse - because his hypocrisy comes out. He hasn't done anything for men at all. Not even "bringing men's rights to public attention" Men's Rights existed before he came along and had a public presence. The thing which made the movement "hot" was the internet. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/20 12:04 PM |
| 1 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhere"Nobody thinks you can repeatedly shove someone’s head against a wall after they’ve slapped you, even Paul Elam." That's where you're wrong... There's a sort of rudiment of satire in the suggestion that it's appropriate to answer a slap with a prolonged bashing of slapper's head into wall - ie the exaggeration. But it doesn't make the article as a whole cut it as an accomplished satirical piece. Ironically, the article could work as a sustained feminist satire taking the piss out of Paul Elam. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/20 11:35 AM |
| 1 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereLet's analyse this "satire", shall we? Firstly he's supposedly "satirising" an article that appeared in Jezebel. It was called "Have you ever beat up your boyfriend? Cos, uh, we have..." I too found the Jezebel article to be pretty nasty. It was meant to be funny - it wasn't. Its tone was stupid "gangsta girl" bravado. Like, "don't fuck with us, we're bad-assed bitches". Elam wasn't "satirising" this piece. Satire is never about DIRECTLY making your point. It's all about irony, parody, absurdism… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/20 09:42 AM |
| 1 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereActually I was replying to someone else, not you. So I didn't intentionally accuse you of supporting Paul Elam. And, btw, thanks for NOT supporting Paul Elam. I did reply to you specifically but it appears to have disappeared. I think your question was: should a woman not hit a man given she knows he will hit back in self-defense? No-one should hit anyone. However if a woman is tempted to hit her partner and she know he'll hit back, she should desist not only because on principle violence is wro… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/20 05:09 AM |
| 1 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereYeah let's leave it. I give up on you. I'm not ranting. I'm being a lot less emotional and excitable than your hero Paul Elam. Sadly some men think women who argue passionately about issues they care about are, as you say, just "unreasonable cunts". Thanks for that. You've won by shutting me down with the classic manoeuvre of calling me a cunt. I'm meant to crawl off now in shame and renewed awareness of how irrational and crazy and "abusive" I am for having an opinion that didn't line up with y… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 03:50 PM |
| 1 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereHow the hell is NOT reading the Jezebel article which inspired Elam's wonderful "satire", "Bash a Violent Bitch Month", not "looking up proper sources"? Repeatedly I've been told how Bash a Violent Bitch Month was Elam's inspired satirical reply to a ferociously "misandrist" article from Jezebel. For some reason I'm now getting caned for reading and quoting from the Jezebel article, which necessitated Elam's brilliant "satirical piece". The Jezebel article is how you and all Elam's supporters "p… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 03:17 PM |
| 0 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereCircular argument poppet. your reply to my "unfairly slanted feminist" article was OH BUT WAIT you didn't even bother to read Elam on AVFM - the most notoriously anti-feminist website around. Why is your anti-feminism okay and my feminism not okay? Because from your point of view, your misogyny is okay just because you know it's okay. People who don't agree with you are wrong. That's your position. You're non thinker, incapable of keeping emotion out of it, incapable of settling down to listen t… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 02:25 PM |
| 1 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereLike a fool I read your links in some dumb arsed quest to prove I am not a "dishonest feminist slanter". As if the website to which I've been referred to in order to "get my facts straight" is famous for its cool objectivity and logical rigor. Anyway. St. Paul Elam in his own words announces that: "emails he's received from men who are struggling to cope with divorce leave him "fumbling for politeness and support". But he's done with all that shit. Although he feels for you since "dishonest, man… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 12:16 PM |
| 1 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereOP is a she not a he, please note. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 05:12 AM |
| 2 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereFirstly I would like to thank you very sincerely for taking the trouble to read the report I referred you to so thoroughly. It has cheered me considerably because it seems like all the effort I expend here is not just some abominable waste of time! I'll be frank and admit that I didn't have time to read that report cover to cover before I sent you the link - I skimmed over some of it. I work as a proofreader (I also teach) and it looked sound enough after about an hour of reading, but perhaps my… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 05:04 AM |
| 0 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereWell ya got a point there. Although she departed from SCUM principles insofar as drag queens and gay men were to be given a privileged position over the straights. Poor Valerie really wanted to kill her publisher but he wasn't in his office that day. So she went and shot Andy instead. I think Andy preferred this to be suppressed because after all, it was pretty "tacky" that he was her second choice as a Man to Get Shot. Actually Solanas was psychotic, as I am sure you know, but she was also bril… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 03:28 AM |
| -2 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywherePs if you can't be arsed reading that much, at least cop what he says in last two paragraphs: to sum up, he wants you to pay him "at least five fucking bucks" whenever you visit AVFM - to "give your life the only meaning it may have left ... turn your meagre existence into helping others". Well, "others" but also him personally. How much of that 5 fucking bucks stays in his pocket is none of your damn business, and why should you care anyway since your life is irremediably "meaningless" and "mea… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 03:07 AM |
| -3 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereRe MRA "not a money generator": Elam has admitted, with some embarrassment, that an undisclosed portion of revenue from AVFM actually goes straight into his pocket. See extract from Hunting the Mammoth article below: Paul Elam of A Voice for Mens has said in the past that the $80,000 plus in donations his site aims to take in every year go to: Dedicated servers, image royalties, legal fees, internet radio premiums, various kinds of computer and media hardware — and now traveling to different loc… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 02:56 AM |
| -2 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereWasn't aware you ever "owned" me to start with, my dear ... | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 02:52 AM |
| -4 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereHow dare you imply I am losing the controversial, world famous inter-galactic battle between Paul Elam and Myself by saying "he's done more for men than I have"? Hey at least I tried to be good in bed. Elam's probably never given a guy a decent blow job in his life. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 02:27 AM |
| -1 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereHow is this "digging up shit on me"? Okay, let's put to bed Elam's "satire". Jezebel wrote: One Jezebel got into it with a dude while they were breaking up, while another Jez went nuts on her guy and began violently shoving him. One of your editors heard her boyfriend flirting on the phone with another girl, so she slapped the phone out of his hands and hit him in the face and neck... "partially open handed." Elam replies: I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to ge… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 02:20 AM |
| -5 | Boycott Paul Elam for the sake of men everywhereI AM researching him. And just coming up with the same ugly dismal shit. Provocative? Yeah - gets HIM and his mega-profitable website plenty of attention. I don't think he's "satirical". Or if you expect me to buy that he is "satirical", then admit that Valerie Solanas - who wrote the Society for Cutting Up Men (SCUM) manifesto was "satirical" too. I think he's cynical, a showman, a con-man. I don't think he gives a rat's ass about men's rights or health. He toned his act down considerably for t… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 12:59 AM |
| 1 | why I question "mutual combat" as another way of saying "violent fight"It wasn't a rant. It was energetic and interested but not a "rant". | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 12:42 AM |
| 1 | Why some family violence is worse than others and context mattersFor such a "reasonable" guy, you've certainly gotten your knickers in a twist. Sorry I called you a dick and I hope repeatedly calling me a dipshit and an idiot has made you feel better. If mutual combat is, as you say, a defense against assault in US common law, but not statutory law, then mutual combat has NOT been legislated as a defense against assault charges. So my "sweeping generalization" that "mutual combat is not legislated anywhere as a possible defense against assault" appears to be … | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 12:07 AM |
| 0 | why I question "mutual combat" as another way of saying "violent fight"How are you in a position to "know what I should know" when you nothing about me except that I disagree with certain points of the MRA program? Oh and a few personal things which I shared - a very few - in the interests of being honest and as un hypocritical as possible? You don't know me personally and nor will you, in this context, because it's not appropriate to tell too much. You confuse my disagreement with certain aspects of the MRA program as symptomatic of me having problems. Sadly you c… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 03:25 PM |
| 2 | why I question "mutual combat" as another way of saying "violent fight"I don't come here to argue but to engage in healthy debate without fear of being banned, as has already happened to me on two feminist subs (one ban was simply based on fact that I post here a lot!) I never get personal or rude, as you just did. Not that it's any of your damn business but only two out of the five de facto relationships I had involved violent men. Y'all are so hypocritical. "Don't blame the victim" is your refrain - so long as it's a male victim. and the type of male victimisatio… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 01:48 PM |
| 0 | Do you guys agree/disagree with Paul Elam on this subject?oh shoosh. I deserve to get massively up - voted for the last thing I wrote about Paul. Specially because I wrote it seated in a bar wearing sleazy clothes and managing to rob strange men of $100s worth of vodka-based cocktails, intimating I'd do anything if I could only get drunk enough. Multitasking .... | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 09:23 AM |
| 1 | Do you guys agree/disagree with Paul Elam on this subject?actually I feel like I am having weird psychological issues unrelated to this thread, so well spotted. I don't think I'm anywhere near as fucked up as Paul Elam though. I read out his piece (from OP) to my brother who stopped me and said "sorry, I don't want to hear anymore - guys like that make me feel physically sick" .... Maybe Paul Elam has haplessly wasted thousands of bucks in bars trying to get laid without success. He's certainly fixated on idea of men not getting enough value for their … | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 09:00 AM |
| 2 | Do you guys agree/disagree with Paul Elam on this subject?are you saying scantily clad gals hanging around bars are "torturing" men? Really truly torturing them? | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 08:42 AM |
| 1 | Do you guys agree/disagree with Paul Elam on this subject?of course it's wrong for a woman to push sex on a man when he's so drunk he doesn't know what he's doing. re your point about my criteria being a bit subjective - yes on reflection you are right. a person can come over as okay when actually they won't remember a thing the next day, that's true. I don't know what to suggest to guard against unwittingly violating the ultra-coherent drunk. Wait til they are sober? or observe them a few times to see how they handle alcohol? I am sure what everyone a… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 07:29 AM |
| 0 | Do you guys agree/disagree with Paul Elam on this subject?simple. NO is what you say before not after undesired sex. I thought my post was clear on my lack of sympathy for saying "no" after the fact. Secondly, just because a persons a little drunk doesn't mean they can't say yes-or no Thirdly if the person is SO drunk that they can't say anything, or aren't aware of where they are, what your name is, what THEIR name is ... then I think it's rape to sexually penetrate that person. by "you don't need to be a rocket scientist" to tell how drunk is too dru… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 06:40 AM |
| 1 | why I question "mutual combat" as another way of saying "violent fight"obviously you are a supremely rational and self-controlled human being. but what about a man less fortunate than you, whose distress got the better of him on this one occasion? still his own fault that his wife shot him? really? | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 06:25 AM |
| 1 | why I question "mutual combat" as another way of saying "violent fight"I don't think it would be right for a big man to smash a little man just because the little one hit him first. I notice you didn't answer my question...should a woman who slaps you in the face once become your mutual combatant, your total enemy, whom you're entitled to beat up then and there? Say she slapped you because she discovered you got her 14 year old sister pregnant? Does she deserve to be physically tackled by you, given what an asshole you've been (in this hypothetical situatuon)? | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 06:21 AM |
| 1 | why I question "mutual combat" as another way of saying "violent fight"btw your last sentence bothers me: that whoever starts it is FULLY responsible for ALL resulting violence". what if, for example, you discovered that your wife had (let's say) been having an affair with your brother and your friends for years, that your children were possibly not your own, and (as hypothetical "last straw") you'd caught HIV from her. You try to talk about all of the above and she's cruel and laughs at you and says she never loved you. You feel like you don't know this monstrous … | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 06:14 AM |
| 0 | why I question "mutual combat" as another way of saying "violent fight"ps men aren't bulls with horns either. they're allegedly rational human beings. say she threw something at you or slapped you once . does this mean she deserves to get a black eye or worse when you up the ante and punch her? | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 05:38 AM |
| 1 | why I question "mutual combat" as another way of saying "violent fight"maybe in your view that is self defense but it would never stand up in any court. nor should it. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 05:34 AM |
| 2 | why I question "mutual combat" as another way of saying "violent fight"of course it occasionally happens that the woman is bigger and stronger. if she exploits this physical advantage to hurt or bully her male lover,she's just as guilty as a violent man who does the same and should be prosecuted. i don't know about US but here if cops attend a domestic, arrest usually only ensues if the man/woman agrees to make a statement about what happened. men are not just automatically arrested. often the police will enforce a brief separation on the couple - 48 hours. One per… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 05:30 AM |
| 0 | Do you guys agree/disagree with Paul Elam on this subject?doesn't matter what she wears or does or how much money you've spent - if you force sex on her and she's saying no, you're a rapist. But women do need to say NO. Also men need to be aware that comatose, inarticulate acquiescence because of booze/drugs isn't the same as "yes". I don't hold with view that consent doesn't exist just because you were drunk when you gave it. but there's levels of drunkenness and I don't think a guy needs to be a rocket scientist to tell how drunk is too drunk. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 05:08 AM |
| 0 | Do you guys agree/disagree with Paul Elam on this subject?oh that WAS Elam. it's utterly stupid. firstly, getting raped/stolen car analogy is totally flawed. for many obvious reasons, not least of which is that if your car is stolen, it's not going to hurt you and endanger your health in the same way as getting raped. the "but she was dressed like a slut" justification persists everywhere, sadly. and it is SAD because especially very young women are apt to wear sexy clothes just to signal that they're interested in meeting an interesting man, and men p… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 04:57 AM |
| 2 | why I question "mutual combat" as another way of saying "violent fight"sorry that was a bit OTT I have acknowledged to being occasionally violent in one relationship where the man was very violent indeed and yes it was stupid of me to retaliate on occasion because I ended up badly injured many times. I've copped to my own bad behaviour here in the interests of honesty and taking responsibility and have had SO many posts saying stuff about how I'm an "abuser" and probably a terrible woman - with NO reference ever to HIS violence or the overall context, ever. it's li… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 04:39 AM |
| 1 | why I question "mutual combat" as another way of saying "violent fight"JUST TO CLARIFY I'VE NEVER HIT A MAN WHO HADNT ALREADY GOTTEN INTO HABIT OF USING ME AS A PUNCHING BAG FIRST. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 04:06 AM |
| 2 | Do you guys agree/disagree with Paul Elam on this subject?I haven't read Elam link yet, but just in reply to what YOU wrote: re analogy between car running with keys/slutty-clothed women getting drunk/leading men on...... it's not a very good analogy because a car is a thing and a woman's body isn't -unless it's dead, a woman's body is part of her whole self. prostitution operates around idea that one's body is a thing that can be hired, of course, but it's a fiction. Men don't pay hookers for sex: they pay hookers to GO AWAY after sex. I digress, howe… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 03:49 AM |
| 1 | Why some family violence is worse than others and context matters"mutual combat" is not legislated anywhere as a possible defense against assault. you are legally entitled to defend yourself against an assault only if - the person assaulting you is able to kill/seriously injure you plus - you have good reason to believe your assailant intends to kill/seriously injure you. In Australia you need both elements for self-defense: both assailants ability to harm you plus your own belief that s/he will do harm unless you fight back. "Mutual combat" between men and w… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 02:46 AM |
| 1 | Why some family violence is worse than others and context mattersI really don't how to reply to this - you're so out of touch with reality if you think some perfect world where couples never "scrap" is achievable. It's also implicit in what you say that if, for example, your girlfriend slapped your face, you, as a man, are entitled to answer her slap with your "fists", to put her in her place and make her understand how wrong it is to ever be violent. It's nonsensical. | /r/MensRights | 02/03/20 03:45 AM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny?However you strike me as a single man who watches a LOT of porn | /r/MensRights | 01/03/20 08:23 AM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?If you have a wife, I'm sorry she has to tolerate your alternately dull and disgusting comments. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/20 08:21 AM |
| -1 | Why some family violence is worse than others and context mattersDo you ever actually read anything I post properly? Or are you just a non-thinker? | /r/MensRights | 01/03/20 08:16 AM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny?I mean not counting pleading not guilty on grounds of self defense...which is not exactly a trial but still something everyone has to do if they are responsible for killing another human being? | /r/MensRights | 01/03/20 08:14 AM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?Well give me an eg of a DV case where murderous woman wasn't even tried? | /r/MensRights | 01/03/20 08:13 AM |
| 2 | MRA or misogyny part the secondHey thanks for that (dvd cleaning tip). In a pinch would witch hazel or facial toner do instead of iso alcohol ? | /r/MensRights | 01/03/20 05:25 AM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny?Ps you might get acquitted in court, but you're ALWAYS tried.Same for if you seriously injure someone. I had to hit my ex in the head with a hammer because I thought he was going to kill me. I didn't get charged for hitting him, partly because the police accepted I acted in self-defense, but also because he was only superficially injured. Also, in same incident, my knee got broken and I was lucky to survive at all. One cop told me if I'd died he would've been charged with murder. I suppose anoth… | /r/MensRights | 01/03/20 03:30 AM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?I just wondered if law is different in US, but I doubt it would be. Here (Australia)!if you're responsible for a homicide, you inevitably get arrested and charged, and tried,even if it's completely accidental. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/20 03:19 AM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny?What, like after there's a dead woman? They'll get tried. As would a woman who killed a man in self defense | /r/MensRights | 29/02/20 01:35 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny part the secondThere's a transcript for my dispute. It's massive and if I wanted a whole copy it would cost about 5 grand. I've long meant to go in and re-copy my basic file though - with affidavits, judgements, parenting orders etc. I've got a copy of my apology from the child welfare people, at least. | /r/MensRights | 29/02/20 09:34 AM |
| -2 | Guy's kid gets aborted, the lack of empathy is deafening.Dunno if it's exactly "lack of empathy" - just straight shooting. It must be horrible for men who don't want pregnant girlfriends/wives to abort ... but it's just the way it is. You can't force a woman who doesn't want to go ahead to ...go ahead. I don't just mean legally, I mean literally. For thousands of years women have ended pregnancies by various means, including brutally doing the business yourself with a knitting needle. Unless you literally bound the woman up, hands and feet, until abou… | /r/MensRights | 29/02/20 09:25 AM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny?What country are you from? If it's not invasive to ask.... | /r/MensRights | 29/02/20 01:59 AM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny part the secondThanks mod. This is why I like this sub. | /r/MensRights | 29/02/20 12:14 AM |
| -1 | MRA or misogyny?Ps lotta guys get arrested - lotta women end up dead. Or crippled. Like me right now. Why don't you get about this? Would you rather be arrested or in a wheelchair for six months, like me? | /r/MensRights | 29/02/20 12:06 AM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?That had nothing to do with me losing custody- it was over ten years after. It had everything to do with a bad relationship that I am no longer in. I deleted it because I was frightened of my ex and it shouldn't be there anymore. How is it you got to read it? I don't think I like you very much, "Randy" | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 11:46 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?It was both my first husband and my most recent partner. When I said my husband wasn't as violent, I meant he didn't break my bones. I don't know where you got the idea I had drug and alcohol problems. Please substantiate this or I will be reporting your post. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 11:16 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny part the secondI've not deleted anything except a post I wrote that mentioned my mother. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 10:35 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/challenging-the The above article probably explains my p.o.v and has some interesting links too.... | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 08:09 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?I guess common couple violence stops being that if one person truly feels intimidated. For me that's the key thing - do you feel intimidated and like you have to do/not do various bullshit things to placate the other person ... not now and then. But all the time. And also - maybe men don't get this - when a man gets right in your face, screaming at you - if you feel like you're not allowed to raise your own voice, even to try to calm him down - then you know somethings really wrong. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 07:57 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny part the secondWell ya know a lot of men have told me about getting the shit end of the stick in custody disputes. I didnt say "you were probably abusive and I'm glad you lost your kids" just because we disagreed about an issue. So I thought it was pretty shithouse to get told this myself, after I posted that I'd had family court trouble as a Mum. I think I've been pretty composed. To totally change the subject, what is the best way to clean a DVD in your view? | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 07:43 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?Common couple violence occurs when couples sometimes fight physically but there is not an overarching pattern of one person trying to control the other by means of manipulation, threats, violence. Supposedly common couple violence is "treatable" quite often: the couple can learn better communication skills, how to handle frustration. "Domestic violence" is an iffy term but when I use it I mean "battering", also called coercive control; also called "intimate terrorism". One person in the couple m… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 07:36 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny part the secondI've never admitted to being a "perp" of DV. I wasn't a DV perp. I sometimes lashed out against my violent physically in retaliation, which was dumb, given that he was literally twice my size. I've certainly paid a very high price, physically and emotionally. "I probably deserved to lose custody" is being quoted incorrectly, by the way. I wrote: 'I was disappointing and hurtful that some men, rather than trying to see that I had some common ground with them, expressed the view that (unlike thems… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 07:07 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?Actually I can't right click as I only have a phone. But I gather from my elementary French that this article is saying that 70 percent of children are killed by women. Or when they say "énfant" perhaps they literally mean "infants" (?) Well okay - don't see how it's inherently more credible than the link I provided which was dismissed as "an opinion piece" - and it is talking about France specifically. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 06:59 PM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny part the secondIt's not as easy to find "court statistics" on anything unless one has an account linked to JSTOR or Lexus-nexus..look, I find it surprising that more children are apparently killed by men than women. I'm assuming it's not true of children under 2...like I said conclusive stats on homicide by gender are surprisingly hard to find. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 06:55 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?So what you mean is not "Duluth model", you're just dragging that in for hell of it. You mean: a man complains of assault. His wife says she was defending herself. So he gets arrested. So men feel like they can't complain of assault.... And of course ALL women are sociopathic liars who will just make shit up to bring a good man down... | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 06:03 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?Well that's funny because I've been arrested twice and it never shows up when I apply for jobs. Don't be a dumb-ass. What's the point of "innocent until proven guilty" etc if ARRESTS that don't result in conviction show up? | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 05:55 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny part the secondPs besides so much shit has happened to me that I've learned I can enjoy myself under practically all circumstances except death of loved ones. My Mum committed suicide 7 years ago. That's still really awful, and always will be. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 05:52 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny part the secondThe custody thing was ten years ago. My daughter is nearly 17 now and doing brilliantly. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 05:50 PM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny?Still like to know how Duluth model has meant men who report being assaulted by women get arrested themselves. I don't know about US but here you have to be convicted of an assault for it to affect your crim record, not merely arrested. That's what a criminal record is. It's not an "arrest record". | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 05:46 PM |
| -2 | MRA or misogyny part the secondfollowing: More males than females were accused nationwide, a difference that appears to be increasing. Female accused were more common among people under 18, and males dominated in older age groups. Women made up four out of five accused who were single and never married, and men represented two-thirds of accused who were divorced, separated or widowed. More men than women were accused when revenge or jealousy was the motive. Most accused were biological parents. When stepchildren were killed, … | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 05:41 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?Citations? | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 05:39 PM |
| -3 | MRA or misogyny part the secondNot true. It's not reasonable because this huge bias in favour of mothers just doesn't exist anymore. Perhaps it is different in the states but in Australia the courts prioritise the kids having a relationship with BOTH parents. Shared care is the norm -50/50. Most women lose custody for "exposing children to family violence" in the course of having an argument with the father/male partner. Ie kids overhear or see quarrels that get violent. Women can lose custody for this reason even if there wa… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 05:35 PM |
| -1 | MRA or misogyny?NO. They should not be ignored. Just that I cannot abide the MRA claim that "men are equally victimised" by DV because it's simply bullshit and it's bullshit that's gaining traction. Male victims do not "under-report" if they are injured by a woman from whom they are separating or getting divorced: they are MORE likely to report it and more likely to press charges. The men who "don't report" are those who appear in data sets generated by CTS style surveys. These are men in couples. In those surv… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 05:26 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny???? I'm the one who reads links and shit people send me, and I'll back up anything I say with documentation ... Of course any documentation or citation that undermines some of the less creditable MRA notions just gets quietly ignored. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 05:07 PM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny?Listen, a lot of guys get ARRESTED. How many actually do any time? Practically none. Often because women protect them, actually, but also because the justice system does t really give a damn. Where is the Duluth Model legislated in such a way that men who complain of being abused are arrested? I don't buy YOUR bullshit. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 05:05 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny part the secondI didn't know it had actually... | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 04:58 PM |
| -5 | MRA or misogyny part the secondThe point is that A. Predictably a lot of you reacted to my admission of having lost a custody dispute by assuming that I must've been a bad mother. And the reiteration of the idea that I might've even murdered my daughter "because women do more than men" bugged me so I researched it. And found it to be bullshit. Y'all are supposedly so big on"reals" not "feels" but you cant take it if there's evidence against you, on any issue. I've spent a lot of time reading stuff people from this sub have se… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 04:57 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?Did they get off their asses to complain properly like I did? I got an apology because the Dept of Child Protection had been absolutely unprofessional, and had acted against the wishes of my daughter, who was completely in my care (without any child support) until she was six. I can't be arsed explaining anything about it to someone who assumes I was an abusive mother, apparently just because I'm a mother who lost custody. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 04:49 PM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?See links below: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0379073813005422 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151028123953.htm https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/10/parents-kill-children-fbi-data/15280259/ The above sources state that it is mostly men - 57. to 60 percent of child-killers are male. If you have sources to the contrary I would be interested to see them. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 04:41 PM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny?Nope and not in the US either-more men than women murder children. See my post on subject. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 01:55 PM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny?what-it's "documented and provable" that your post was retrograde and stupid? | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 12:12 PM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny?yes but women (and children) are getting KILLED. a lot. that's why feminists get impatient with MRAs over the DV issue. I acknowledge suicide is more common among men. My mother committed suicide, but this incidental fact doesn't lead me to scream :ENOUGH about male suicide-why isn't more attention given to FEMALE suicide? I don't make out that stats showing more women ATTEMPT suicide and more women engage in self harm means "suicide is equally a female problem". I recognise that in terms of pub… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 11:58 AM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?https://news.brown.edu/articles/2014/02/filicide It's a myth that most child murderers are women. In study about, which covers 32 years, 57 percent of offenders were men. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 10:25 AM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny?Why shouldn't a woman/feminist have a right to expect anything from men? You guys expect a shitload from us. Fellatio, for example. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 10:19 AM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny?I've read the War Against Boys. I think boys would do better at school with reading and writing if left untaught until they were 8 or 9 - girls are ready to learn earlier, for some reason. It's unfortunate because a lot of boys get discouraged by being started off with reading too young and then by the time their brains are ready for it, they've been positioned as "behind" or slow and so they give up. As for Duluth model - honestly that's such red herring on this sub. The actual Duluth model had… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 10:15 AM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny?No I just thought it was A. Presumptuous to assume I'd never had paid work B. Retrograde and stupid in general. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 10:08 AM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny?Not in Australia they ain't. Slightly more men than women are responsible for filicide. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 10:03 AM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?Oh get stuffed. In a similar spirit, may I suggest that your marriage went to pieces cos you're probably abusive yourself. Fancy calling your ex a "slut". I've got an apology from the Department of Child Protection for their intervention in my life. My complaint led to a review of their practices when dealing with accusations from parents going through custody disputes. If I was you I'd probably be bitching about "proxy violence". But I'm "man" enough to know my reactions to my ex's harassment w… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 09:56 AM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?WHEN did I admit I'd hit anyone for no reason? | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 09:48 AM |
| 1 | MRA or misogyny?the women may have lied rather than admit to sex with a black man during a racist era. But whose idea was it to lynch these men? White men. Who did the lynching? White men. Blame the women, maybe, for lying. But blame white men for the murders. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 09:47 AM |
| -5 | MRA or misogyny?Basically because the last six months I've spent either in hospitals or women shelters because of very serious injury caused by my partner (not my daughter's dad). I'm convalescing and have a lot of time on my hands and I've gotten very preoccupied with this whole issue. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/20 01:50 AM |
| 0 | MRA or misogyny?Guess what? I understand perfectly. My first husband - who was violent- ruined my life with his protracted malicious and unnecessary custody dispute. He managed to get total custody of our only daughter for two years on UTTER BULLSHIT accusations. I'm not going into the details- it would take all day. And I've never mentioned it before because I am a woman. No one believes a woman loses her kid for no good reason. I've been to ashamed to post about it for this reason. I almost hesitate to mentio… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/20 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Just out of interest, how many MRAs who post here are NOT white men?Ps by the way I'm a woman! So I suppose I was also saying that women too can lose in family court - a lot of MRAs have this idea that women NEVER lose in family court disputes. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/20 12:19 AM |
| 1 | Just out of interest, how many MRAs who post here are NOT white men?Australia. "Proxy violence" is an MRA term - means that women use family court/police to commit violence against men. So as you gathered, I meant that I could understand how a vengeful ex can use the family court to harass you after you've left ... but all the same, you've got control over how you manage being harassed. It's not the same as living with a violent person who physically assaults you. It's a psychological assault, sure, but if you keep your cool or get help, a malicious family court… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/20 12:17 AM |
| 1 | If the pay gap is largely accounted for by women's tendency to choose careers that pay less and take time off work due to pregnancy, and women are the only member in a heterosexual couple that is allowed to determine if a pregnancy goes to term...then why is the pay gap considered the doing of men?Frustratingly couldn't read whole article cos my browser kept re-loading. But my common sense reply is that yeah, women end up in part-time work, or less valued positions, because when you're a woman having a baby usually means you're out of action in a big way for at least a few months, usually more. That's not so for men. It's biology and unless someone comes up with male wombs it won't change. I think it's casuistry to say that women ought to be penalised for this because, hey, they could ter… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/20 12:06 AM |
| 1 | Just out of interest, how many MRAs who post here are NOT white men?It's weird ... This proxy violence thing. I won't launch into entire story cos it'd take forever but by my first husband, who's also father of my only child, was violent. After I left him he undertook a ludicrously protracted family court action which caused me to lose custody for a couple of years. It ruined my life. I know he acted out of malice and hate, but I don't know if I'm comfortable with the term "proxy violence". Possibly he hoped I'd kill myself, which, tbh, I've almost as good as do… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 11:55 PM |
| 1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Well what were the original goal posts in your view? | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 11:48 PM |
| 1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Ps just wanted to add that while I absolutely don't feel I deserved to get so badly injured, there was a bad dynamic between us, which I admit I contributed to. But when he really lost it - especially towards the end - I was scared shitless.He was so much bigger than me and I remember arguments where I thought "oh fuck it" and said or did inflammatory things ... And then next thought would be no thought at all, just screaming mayhem and fighting for my life. As the old song goes: "was she asking… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 11:44 PM |
| 1 | Some men are hypocritical when it comes to male expendableYeah I thought that was confusing too. You mean how despite the information that 119 men were married to their murderer, that 519 women were married to their murderers, etc - for some reason "domestic violence" is cited as a cause of death in only 131 cases. Weirder still, according to this table the greatest proportion of "domestic violence" victims had just a non-family relationship ("acquaintance") with their murderer. 60 people, that is, are identified as victims of DV from a mere acquaintan… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 11:32 PM |
| 1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Aren't you being a bit circular? Just because a woman gets acquitted of murdering a man on grounds of self-defense doesn't mean you need to jump to assume she got off on self defense because she's a woman... | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 11:21 PM |
| 2 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:No I don't see him (actually there were two of them) in all men by any means. Hell, I like men as friends much more than women normally. In a way I identify with them more...it's weird. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 11:19 PM |
| 1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:No, I'm not. I'm just asking how the oft-stated thing about women being the "majority" of DV perps has any meaning when it's the majority of women who get killed. And providing material which also questions this assertion about DV being "mostly" women's problem and something women really need to look at. Because I think with all these dead women, maybe men need to look at themselves. As controversial as that sounds. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 11:14 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Lmao. Only just noticed your "kafkaesque" thing. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 10:24 PM |
| 1 | BBC Article states women are more likely to be killed by a partner or an ex - Completely glosses over their own statistic showing that there were twice as many male victims over all (208 female - 395 male)Gosh you've really opened my eyes. Let's see. You write that: "a young woman's IPV was just as predictive of her male partner's future IPV as the man's own past IPV... a woman's violence against her man was as predictive of his violence to her as his own history of violence...women are serially placing themselves at risk in relationships. Meanwhile the men are like; "Wow, that bitch was crazy, I'm glad i'm with you instead.". The woman keeps rolling the dice, attacking her partners, and eventual… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 09:41 PM |
| 1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Yeah I agree totally. But I don't think men are going to get the help they need while men keep denying that being a man has absolutely nothing to with such a dreadful crime. Its not that men are evil, more that there's some sort of bullshit notion about what being a man ought to mean, which a certain minority of men are so duped by that they feel it's more "manly" to sadistically murder their wife/kids than to just face the world as a fallible fuck up who's not that total hot shot who does every… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 08:39 PM |
| 1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Yeah I'm familiar with that study. Are you familiar with the part of that study where researchers say: "The authors say they have no intention of minimizing the very real problem of serious domestic violence — the classic male batterer. The survey did not cover the use of knives, guns, choking, or burning, and it was not concerned with the kind of situation that can drive a woman to seek shelter outside the home. The view of the authors is that most intimate partner violence should not be equate… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 08:14 PM |
| 0 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Ps let me guess do the names "Straus" or "Dutton" feature? Or the term "CTS studies" or other bullshit from the Centre for Disease Control? | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 07:24 PM |
| -1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:And you know this how? Citations? | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 07:23 PM |
| 1 | Some men are hypocritical when it comes to male expendableWell the victims are identified by "relationship to offender" across the top of the table. So you see a column headed "husbands" first up - means how many husbands were killed by wives (I think 119 that year). There's a column to the right of "husbands" that says "wives" - meaning wives killed. It's 500 plus dead wives. To the very far right, there's a column saying "girlfriends" - over 500 girlfriends killed. Add it up, it's 1050 wives/girlfriends in 2018. Divide by 52 ( for weeks in the year) … | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 07:21 PM |
| -1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:DV targeted at women is not the minority but a very visible MAJORITY. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 06:34 PM |
| 1 | Some men are hypocritical when it comes to male expendableSource for 20-25 women killed per week: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-10.xls according to the above table, 320 men died in couple violence, and 1,050 women died in couple violence. I think (unless my percentage sum is incorrect) this means 23 percent of deaths from IPV are male, and 77 percent are female. It is sobering to realise that, as tragic as these 320 male deaths are, they only represent 2.9 percent of all male homici… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 06:20 PM |
| 1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:I've not even mentioned DV in LGBT: it's not relevant here. If you only see "man bad women victim" ads, that's probably because 80 percent of DV deaths are women killed by men. The rest are mostly men killed by women in self defence. If you want citations/stats I'll send them to you. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 06:13 PM |
| 1 | MRA-friendly commentator Bettina Arndt to lose top Australian honor?You seem to have gone rather quiet since I sent you those citations. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 06:04 PM |
| 0 | Just out of interest, how many MRAs who post here are NOT white men?Do you identify with the same sort of stuff as (presumably mostly) white men here? Like feminism is to blame for everything, women are just as violent as men, men are victims of "proxy violence" by family court ... To name but a few of the fave themes. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 06:02 PM |
| 0 | Just out of interest, how many MRAs who post here are NOT white men?Ps what was name of MRA book by black man? | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 05:51 PM |
| 1 | Just out of interest, how many MRAs who post here are NOT white men?Hey that's a huge and ridiculous leap. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 05:49 PM |
| -1 | Just out of interest, how many MRAs who post here are NOT white men?Thanks! Will read. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 04:30 PM |
| 0 | Australian senate voted to strip Men's Rights activist Bettina Arndt of her Order of AustraliaWomen are MUCH more likely to get killed by DV. Am tired of hearing how "all DV is wrong". This seems to mean "all DV is the same" and "all DV is equally harmful", which is obviously bullshit. Most of the research in which women emerge as "just as likely to be violent" documents common couple violence. This isn't the same thing as dangerous DV perpetuated for purposes of coercion and control. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 01:45 PM |
| 0 | Just out of interest, how many MRAs who post here are NOT white men?Why do you think I hate white men? | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 11:47 AM |
| -2 | Australian senate voted to strip Men's Rights activist Bettina Arndt of her Order of AustraliaBut the facts are THERE. Witnesses SAW IT HAPPEN. What other facts are there that matter? Unless the man had schizophrenia and voices were "telling him to do it", there's no ethical excuse for this. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 11:26 AM |
| -7 | Just out of interest, how many MRAs who post here are NOT white men?Only a white person could say that. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 10:02 AM |
| -3 | Australian senate voted to strip Men's Rights activist Bettina Arndt of her Order of AustraliaMy sanity is fine but I'm worried about yours. Those links in no way support your ludicrous and offensive suggestion that "Hannah herself killed herself and her children". Maybe it was aliens who killed them. Maybe these aliens made the witnesses all imagine they saw Baxter throwing the petrol and lighting the fire. Maybe the aliens generated a mass hallucination so that it only looked like Baxter was actively preventing people from putting the fire out. Maybe the aliens were recruited by femini… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 09:57 AM |
| 1 | MRA-friendly commentator Bettina Arndt to lose top Australian honor?https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/challenging-the-mra-claim-of-a-domestic-violence-conspiracy/8632190 Includes link to coroners report: http://www.coroners.justice.nsw.gov.au/Documents/DVDRT_2015_Final_30102015.pdf Actually this report was published in 2015, not 2019, but it reviewed a decade of IPV homicide and found that not one woman in ten years who killed her partner was "the abuser". In every case the women had been abused by the dead men. I'm not happy about dead men btw, just … | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 09:42 AM |
| 1 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministWhat's your problem with filthy creampie sex, anyway, you Puritanical freak? | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 08:47 AM |
| 1 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministSurely this is a bit of an extreme case scenario though? re: how is she going to manage a real pregnancy in the same cycle in which she's claimed a fake pregnancy? This is really only a concern if she's cares to keep the victim around. If she's not wanting to keep him around, but using him as sperm donor, why bother to send him positive tests results/go to doctor with him etc? I'm guessing you are driving at the most jaundiced scenario possible - woman uses man as sperm donor to milk him for chi… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 08:44 AM |
| -3 | Australian senate voted to strip Men's Rights activist Bettina Arndt of her Order of AustraliaActually it was established within 24 hours that this was a familicide committed by a man with a known history of violence and abuse. Hannah Clarke had left Rowan Baxter and taken out a restraining order because of his violence and stalking. He had breached the order two weeks before the murders, and of course walked free. Even though he'd kidnapped one of the children over Christmas. Ms Clarke had offered Baxter a shared care parenting arrangement for their three kids which he had refused, sayi… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 08:29 AM |
| 1 | Just out of interest, how many MRAs who post here are NOT white men?I'm not trying to pit white men against their brothers -just asking the question: how many out there are NOT white? Which could lead to other interesting questions if someone could answer me candidly. Like are black men or men of colour drawn to MRA for similar reasons as white guys. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 07:53 AM |
| 1 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministWell yeah, but these are only points a non-Catholic could make! Catholic dogma is that a soul comes into existence at the moment the egg is fertilised, I believe. Furthermore (as you know) Catholic dogma holds that abortion at any stage is ethically the same as murder. Anyway, even if you think Catholics are silly, hopefully you'll concur that it's disgraceful how the IUD and mini pill are marketed as "contraception" when they are in fact abortifacients. Women have the right to be properly infor… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 07:50 AM |
| 0 | Just out of interest, how many MRAs who post here are NOT white men?Are you serious about MRA or just a "dabbler"? Couldn't help but notice when I re-viewed "The Red Pill" the other day it was all white guys. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 07:29 AM |
| 0 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministSurely this is a bit of an extreme case scenario though? I mean girlfriend showing you fake positive test, then not letting you come into doctor's so she can perpetuate the fake? What's her goal? If her goal is actually getting pregnant ..well, how is she going to manage a real pregnancy in the same cycle in which she's claimed a fake pregnancy? If she just wants to freak you out, would she really take it as far as a doctors office? | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 07:22 AM |
| 1 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministYeah thanks for that - good point! My OP was meant to help men know some of the reasons why women are amiss with contraception sometimes and how to protect themselves. It is offensive to assume most women will "reproductively coerce". | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 07:15 AM |
| 1 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministMy first husband knew I wasn't on the pill - for two years I managed to not get pregnant by using rhythm method. He didn't want kids then and neither did I. Yet when I got pregnant he acted like I'd done it on purpose and howled at me to get an abortion for the first 3 months, and made out I was ruining his life because I didn't want to abort. I'd suggest any man who doesn't want kids and KNOWS his partner isn't on BC has no right to behave in such an immature way if a pregnancy happens. If the … | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 07:01 AM |
| 2 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministI admit I'm resentful but honestly, even my women friends and family with nice husbands have reported going a bit crazy by day in, day out, just kids and nothing else. Especially women who've had a lot of kids close together, women who've got autistic kids or kids with other disabilities, and women who've had to get on their feet too soon after appalling labor complications. I'm barely even qualified to complain about how hard it is being a mother in comparison with many. I was incredibly lucky.… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 06:39 AM |
| 1 | MRA-friendly commentator Bettina Arndt to lose top Australian honor?But don't you think it was pretty disgusting that she supported that cop's comment about Rowan Baxter possibly being "driven" to committ his hideous crime? Even the policeman who said that admits he was way out of order. Although, as an aside, I think it's a bit rough that he's had to resign. He was only echoing the whole "family violence" rhetoric which is approved cop-speak and judge-speak in Australia. A rhetoric which MRAs have successfully installed. Even though in 2019 80 percent of DV dea… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 06:14 AM |
| 1 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministYeah I've been on the mini pill actually. It doesn't mess with your body like the normal pill. But as a Catholic I was a bit uncomfortable with the way it worked - as you say, fertilization occurs so an "embryo" is formed but can't implant. Strictly speaking this method isn't contraception (since conception occurs) but actually an early stage abortifacient. I don't think I would've taken it, except I knew I almost certainly couldn't get pregnant anyway by then. I just took it so my partner would… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 06:04 AM |
| 0 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feminist"Creample" sex? Never heard that one! A lot of men whine about rubbers - reduced sensation, like "having a shower with your raincoat on", etc. That said a woman once confided to me that she can't get aroused UNLESS there's a chance she can get pregnant. Which is just weird. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 05:56 AM |
| 1 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministI'm sorry you've got such a horrible job. I don't deny men do horrible jobs - women do them too though. I've been everything from a university lecturer to cleaning other people's houses. The last was, as you say, "back breaking labor" - on all fours scrubbing rich people's dirty bathrooms and toilets, getting sick headaches from smell of cleaning products, getting insulted and bossed around by clients, getting panicked cos you only have 30 minutes per house and then you're meant to drive to the … | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministI presume this paper abortion means you forever waive your rights to know anything about the kid? | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 06:05 PM |
| 1 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministNo I don't resent my daughter in the least. I adored her. I still do. I presume during your preteen years you were not the sole caretaker of your younger sister. It was harder for me, perhaps, because I was so lonely even though her dad was there. Once I was really sick and asked him to help and he smacked me in the face and told me "to pull myself the fuck together". She wasn't allowed to sleep in our room in case she woke him up. And he was "working from home" at this point, by the way (i.e. s… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 04:55 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: Do women talk too much?Good for you. When I was a teenage girl hanging around boys it was an unwritten law:.girls shall not talk but listen. Men are fascinating to talk to for most women ... if they will talk! A lot of women talk crap out of nervousness sometimes. Give them a chance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/20 04:40 PM |
| -4 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministDid you breast feed these newborns??Did you weep in pain trying to take a shit after your episiotomy, while trying to nurse that new born bub even as you sat on the toilet in agony? How many months was it before you pelvic floor recovered, if it ever did? How did you go with no more than 2 consecutive hours of sleep per night for about 8 years? I think you've looked after little babies for maybe eight hours at a time, not 8 years. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 04:34 PM |
| -2 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministWhy would male birth control be so much more complicated? I mean it couldn't be much more complicated than female birth control. The pill: puts your body into fake early pregnancy state. You don't ovulate because your body thinks you're already pregnant. This messes hugely with many women's sexual drive, which usually operates around a natural cycle. Permanently sore breasts, pimples, weight gain, and significantly higher risk of a stroke once you're over 35. That's the pill. The IUD: a poisonou… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 04:22 PM |
| 1 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feminist"Paper abortions"? | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 04:06 PM |
| -2 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministThat thing called working (for pay) is something I've done - more so, in fact, than the last guy I lived with who earned not one cent over two years. And I'm meant to be grateful that this is permitted as a thing I can do instead of just plodding around perpetually pregnant. Okay, so men don't like working, eh? It's not a privilege for men but it is for women, right? Because men want to stay at home all day and up all night with babies and toddlers? Try it sweetheart. Try it for six months, full… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 04:01 PM |
| -3 | Why are Men’s Rights attracting so little support?What name calling? | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 02:30 PM |
| -9 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministContraceptively, women have gone to extraordinary lengths in order to give men a condom free experience. We've taken the pill for years on end. Given that even the most fertile young woman's egg is only viable for 12-24 hours per month, the years and years women spend in a state of "contraceptive" hormonal derangement from the pill or an IUD ... it's like using a thermonuclear bomb to wipe out an ant hill. Sperm can live in the vaginal canal/ Fallopian tubes for as long as a week. There really o… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 02:15 PM |
| -3 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministWell yeah, it is a bit like that. If you're a woman and you don't want sex, say no If you're a man and you don't trust the woman you're having sex with to look after contraception, take charge yourself. Condoms aren't the only option. Withdrawal (coitus interruptus) works if you do it properly. I have no sympathy for guys who get angry about pregnancy when they've been bonking away unprotected, just assuming the woman can take care of it. My OP was about reasons why women are sometimes sloppy ab… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 02:02 PM |
| -11 | Tips for avoiding pregnancy melodramas (fake positives etc) by a feministOh yawn. Another dude who thinks that MRA is about being anti-feminist. So unimaginative and petty. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 01:47 PM |
| 0 | Some men are hypocritical when it comes to male expendableI think men are hypocrites about this when they invoke "protection of women" as making them "expendable" for two reasons 1: there's a an assumption that men hate working or envy women for often being at home with kids and not having to earn. Most men like working and think their lives would be pointless without work. 2. Even if there's this "women should be protected" ethos, it's still the case that in the US 20-25 women per week are murdered by their so-called "protectors". In this area, women … | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 11:36 AM |
| 1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Well it seemed implicit that you thought this act might've been "motivated" by "powerlessness". So I guess my point was that only a really fucked up person would try to fix the "powerlessness" problem by setting their entire family on fire. No amount of "disempowerment" justifies such an evil thing. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 11:28 AM |
| 1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Hey come on! What kind of "powerlessness" justifies this level of sadism and hate? Most of us, men and women, would give up EVERYTHING and live with total powerlessness quite happily if it spared our child/children being burnt to death. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 11:05 AM |
| 1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Well yeah some women may propagate them, or tolerate being put in the "traditional" role because it seems so important to the man to be in charge. Do people "learn these roles from their parents"? Up to a point. One aspect of traditional masculinity that seems to be going out the window is the old chivalrous idea that it's absolutely disgraceful for a man to hit a woman under any circumstances. I've noticed a lot of younger men just don't hold with this. I wonder has it impacted the levels of le… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 10:52 AM |
| 2 | Me ex keeps callingActually I agree, if you are feeling harassed block her (I'm assuming you don't have kids together or property or big complications, of course). It's better for her too, trust me. The more dignity she loses the more she'll keep ringing and arguing in an attempt to recover face, which isn't possible when you keep ringing and arguing ...it's a vicious circle. If you don't want to block her - why not? | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 10:14 AM |
| 0 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:PS re your link - good point. For some reason it seems like men are more likely to suffer psychologically after divorce, becoming widowed, or through never getting married in the first place. I have heard that single men are the unhappiest, least balanced adults in the Western world (this could be myth-stat, would need to check it). | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 09:11 AM |
| 0 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Yeah, I appreciate that your "street activism power" might be low...but then again, what a huge hub of activity this sub is! If even 20 percent of the men who post here actually turned out for street rallies, your numbers would be massive! As for feminists and MRAs interacting more constructively and helping each other ... I really think it could happen. I think feminists need to drop their bigotry on certain issues, but so do MRAs. For example there's this readiness to blame women for practical… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 09:05 AM |
| -2 | Why are Men’s Rights attracting so little support?Ps point is:,y'all are so upset about "women being violent to men" in DV context that you just ignore the ribald statistic that about 80 percent of deaths caused by DV are men murdering women. It's a transparently female-hating thing to focus on. Why DONT you focus more on the FACT that (not counting DV) men are obscenely over represented at homicide victims? Why DON'T you do what feminists have always done and continue to do - CRITIQUE your own gender and it's narratives? ADMIT ways in which me… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 08:37 AM |
| -5 | Why are Men’s Rights attracting so little support?"Or in other words the general harms caused by male disposability and gynocentrism". This sort of feminist-blaming and misogynist explanation for harms men endure is WHY MRA IS SO UNPOPULAR. Like it or not women count politically these days. You'd do much better to make friends with us. Women don't think men are disposable, but possibly the reverse is true. For eg, there's an MRA argument that men are "disposable" because they are most at risk in military engagements. Quite true. But how many US… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 08:25 AM |
| 1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:I agree the male murderers are a minority of "violent unstable" men, but I think it's foolish to pretend that their actions have nothing to do with a certain poisonous script of masculinity which is still in currency. Someone insightfully commented that male shame seems to be experienced extremely intensely as a reaction to rejection by one's wife, or wife/girlfriend leaving. Could it be that the men most affected by this shame are the same men who subscribe to older gender roles, in which "wife… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 08:13 AM |
| 1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Actually I WISH MRAs would make more noise about women committing infacticide (as in situation above) instead of talking about nonsense like Amanda Heard. It's not all " family violence". The spousal murder/familicide is male pattern violence. Infanticide has always been predominantly a female crime, at least as far as I know. I have not looked stats re percentage of infanticide committed by (usually) mothers. But I do know, for example, that unmarried women killing newborn babies in England bet… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 08:00 AM |
| 1 | Why gender will always matterWell, since you feel it has been fun, I am interested in your views on DV and MRAs. My view is that the oft-cited "stats" that "women are equally violent" or even more violent than men are totally illogical, given that these stats tend to be about petty shit. Well, shit that is surely petty when you consider that in Western countries 80 percent of DV homicide victims are women. In fact men are overwhelmingly the majority of victims in every sort of homicide scenario EXCEPT that of DV. So perhaps… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 07:46 AM |
| 1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Murders in the course of domestic violence do not "happen equally to men and women". Murder by DV is the ONLY context in which a woman is much more likely to be a murder victim than a man. I am all for opposing every form of violence against men, and if there was a rally or a demo or even a petition to the effect of "let's end violence towards men" I'd show up. And bring my feminist friends with me. But I'm not going to get on side with the ludicrous MRA sideshow about how men are "equally affec… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 07:27 AM |
| 1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Hey it proves nowt... My point was animals are not consciously sadistic and they don't target each other out of sheer resentment. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 07:20 AM |
| 0 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Oh satire my ass. If you're interested I can forward you a slew of posts I've had which take up bash a violent bitch in a completely non-ironical way. Elam is alternately dull and disgusting. And, I hear, a really dud lay. Meant that "satirically" of course | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 05:39 PM |
| -2 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Uh uh indeed. For you MRA means anti feminism. I have no conversation to have with MRAs whose sole agenda is anti-feminism. | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 05:28 PM |
| 0 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Actually I don't see many men being vocal against DV against women, except maybe much older men who were raised to believe it was disgraceful to strike a woman. Its young men who get indignant about feminism and how women are the "real" culprits. That's my impression anyway. | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 04:35 PM |
| -1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:I'd implore any abusive woman to desist. The reason I post here about it is because while all violence is wrong, this doesn't mean all violence is the same. Amanda Heard has made such news, but what about the 25 women murdered every week in the US by their husband/partner? MRAs lose all credibility when they hum and haw and say "yes but...'. The whole MRA movement is poisoned by shit like "bash a violent bitch month" (thanks Paul Elam). And if I hadn't been booted off the feminist subs for posti… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 04:31 PM |
| 0 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Yes. But he wasn't suicidal in the ordinary way. He took the children and mother with him, in the most physically agonising death conceivable - being burned alive. He also took care that the mother saw her children in flames before setting her on fire (or so I gather). Passers-by tried to put the fire out and he wouldn't let them. He didn't set himself on fire-he died from "self inflicted wounds". He "won". The thing that haunts me about this is that for months he did Facebook posts, the theme o… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 04:14 PM |
| -9 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:I can't even understand your post:,it's incoherent. It's also tasteless to drag "father's rights" into a thread discussing a father who obviously felt it was righteous and appropriate to burn his wife and three small children alive. | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 01:30 PM |
| 1 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Yes, that's much better actually. | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 01:26 PM |
| 0 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Hey, 1-2 woman a week killed by a male IPV in Australia, 20-30 women a week murdered in the US by a male IPV - these aren't edge cases. Insofar as Rowan Baxter killed his wife, he's not all that unusual at all. Of course the aspects that have shocked us are the simultaneous murder of three tiny children as well, plus the horror of not just muder, but murder by being burnt alive. That's the part that makes this case more newsworthy, naturally. But I hope you're not suggesting that the more "munda… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 11:39 AM |
| -3 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:ALL male violence is a massive topic. You're including war, terrorism, gang violence, drug-related violence ... its urgent for MRAs to tackle male violence for the sake of men. I think it would be massive if MRAs also tackled male violence for the sake of women. As for ideas ...above I posted that massive if there was an MRA presence at feminist/DV sector demonstrations and rallies to speak out against this lethal type of male violence it could be huge. Also winning support from feminist activis… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 11:04 AM |
| -8 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Well, for example, I think it would be massive if there was an MRA presence at feminist/DV sector demonstrations and rallies to speak out against this lethal type of male violence. Not to say "and now we'll tell you why women who get injured are usually violent too" or "yes but all violence is wrong, women's included" (which would be disgusting and tasteless if the event was intended to honor the late Ms Clarke or other female victims). Instead, be there to say: "we're men who want to stop men f… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 10:53 AM |
| -1 | BBC Article states women are more likely to be killed by a partner or an ex - Completely glosses over their own statistic showing that there were twice as many male victims over all (208 female - 395 male)https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/challenging-the-mra-claim-of-a-domestic-violence-conspiracy/8632190 Article contains many interesting links. | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 10:45 AM |
| -2 | MRAs need to help fight male violence not condone or minimize. This is why:Actually - I gather you rare Australian too - it seems to me that up until this hideous crime, in Oz the judiciary and family courts have definitely been leaning towards this dangerous idea that domestic violence "affects men as well as women", usually announced as if to say men are "equally victims". Take the One in Three campaign for example - (see link below for illuminating expose of that statistic). I'm only acquainted with MRA online, so I apologies for misconceptions - but practically eve… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 10:36 AM |
| 7 | Why do feminists lie?Lie about what? This seems a lame assed kinda thread to start. | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 07:32 AM |
| -5 | BBC Article states women are more likely to be killed by a partner or an ex - Completely glosses over their own statistic showing that there were twice as many male victims over all (208 female - 395 male)75-85 percent of deaths caused by IPV are men murdering women. Ain't no trend. Just google stats for any Western nation for last 20 years. About one woman a week killed in Australia. 20 women a week killed in the US. I suppose you'll claim they were "violent too". Doubtless some of them were. But the "mutual combat", as MRAs call it, seems to culminate in dead women, not dead men. | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 06:26 AM |
| -6 | BBC Article states women are more likely to be killed by a partner or an ex - Completely glosses over their own statistic showing that there were twice as many male victims over all (208 female - 395 male)Oh shit. Recently in Australia a man whose wife had left him and taken out a VRO against him because of his violence recently committed familicide/homicide. The man stopped his ex-wife's car as she was driving her three little children to school. He doused them all with petrol and set them on fire. The children burned to death on the spot. The mother who tried to get help died in hospital later from burns. At the scene, the man actually tried to stop bystanders from putting out the fire. He stab… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 04:45 AM |
| 1 | BBC Article states women are more likely to be killed by a partner or an ex - Completely glosses over their own statistic showing that there were twice as many male victims over all (208 female - 395 male)The point, obviously, is that women are much more likely to be killed by an intimate partner. I think it goes without saying that everyone knows most homicide victims are men. Men are the victims in every context EXCEPT IPV. More should be done about the appalling prevalence of male homicides overall. At the same time it's constructive to recognize that women are murdered it's most likely to be an IPV incident. Knowing the context in which different homicides occur by gender presumably helps add… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 04:30 AM |
| 1 | Why gender will always matterSo, you defend gender stereotypes and then you decide to belittle men because we think logically? Well, women can think logically too...like I said it wasn't really about logic. Yes, gender matters because it’s our biology. Our biology dictates some of our moods and many of our desires. After all, we all know someone who has a “hangery” problem. If you mean me, well I am hardly the only person around here who occasionally inflates their emotional tribulations to the status of "categorical impera… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 04:03 AM |
| 1 | Why gender will always matterThanks! Hadn't thought about "phallogocentric" since university halcyon days... Btw not systematic trolling. Don't get me banned. I've been banned from all my other subs (mostly feminist ones) because of this sub, so I'll be miffed if I get booted out of the Big House of Phallogocentrism as well! | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 03:52 AM |
| 1 | Why gender will always matterYeah, but remember that during the industrial revolution many women did equally appalling jobs for less pay. Their safety wasn't provided for until the reforms of women and child labor laws in the later 19th century. | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 05:44 PM |
| 1 | Why gender will always matterSorry but I must say that you seem to think staying at home and having babies and no money of your own is a soft option. I don't know how much child care you've done - who know, you might be a "house husband"... But when I went back to a "real" job it seemed positively like a holiday in comparison to being at home all day with babies and toddlers. Also, at least men had some kind of choice as to how they were going to spend their working lives (admittedly the level of choice would depend on degr… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 05:31 PM |
| 1 | Why gender will always matterJust an update on the phallocratic fall-out from my subversive take on male logic. Regrettably, proxy violence from misogynists about "logic" caused my cervix to prolapse right the fuck out of my body even as I typed furiously, doggedly respecting even the stupidest male objections to my critique, and as usual working twice as hard to be given half as much credit for a fraction of my entitlements. Nonetheless I didn't cancel my female ejaculation workshop. I need hardly say that on the way there… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 05:12 PM |
| 3 | Men: can you explain why women liking “Chad” is such a shock?Ps just to make I clear I got nothing against gay men. I've just never heard of a gay male incel (!) As Martin Amis writes: "the homosexual man is very good news ... as long as he KNOWS he's homosexual." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 02:11 AM |
| 3 | Men: can you explain why women liking “Chad” is such a shock?Yeah I agree, it's a farce. Thes incels or whatever they are could almost certainly get laid if they just lowered THEIR standards. The men who whine on in this way often fixate on the one wildly unattainable woman for literally years. And when they can no longer stalk her around high school and university, they watch even MORE porn and hang out in strip clubs like fools until they die. Actually I think most of the (non) fuckers are probably closet gay. Straight men ain't so fussy about who they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/20 01:58 AM |
| 2 | Why gender will always matterif and only if you didnt suffer from Asperger's, you'd see my point - how this male "logic" pose is actually utterly illogical. How men cash in on logic in bullshit ways. The grim literalness with which you replied to my little examples of bullshit male pseudo-logic is ... itself an example of bullshit male pseudo logic. You paid no attention to the tone or the context of what I wrote. And then presumed to give me a show-offy little spiel about how you "teach logic at a university". I teach lite… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 01:45 AM |
| 4 | This mindset actually angers meYeah this really gets on my tits too. Any adult who solicits sex from a child needs to go away. And what's this "they enjoy it" shit? The woman who wrote it must be very ignorant. Female AND male victims of child rapists often report orgasms etc. This response can contribute to feelings of confusion, guilt, "nastiness". It's really quite evil to suggest that if the child you rape has an orgasm, that makes it all fine. It's exactly what paedophiles WANT children to think. | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 01:35 AM |
| 2 | Why gender will always matterActually it's more than one point. But to me they seem adequately interrelated for purpose of making overall point that gender will always matter. I think I just wrote too much, no-one could be arsed reading it, especially after the unfortunate beginning referring to "logic". Everyone just totally lost their shit as soon as they saw the word "logic". Doesn't surprise me, as far as I know all replies are from men, who are often hysterically attached to "logic" as this wonderful beautiful thing. I… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 01:28 AM |
| 2 | Why gender will always matterPoint of original post or point of dumb ass thing it seems to have inspired (about "logic"). Basically original post was - that male/female is a profound fundamental human difference which we all get weirdly used to. - that it's nonsense to claim that "gender" is totally constructed and not connected with "biological sex" (a favourite feminist cliche) - eg even just as animals, males and females are so different, have conflicting interests - in culture men don't think of themselves as a "gender"… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 01:20 AM |
| 1 | Why gender will always matterDid ANYONE bother to read past the first couple of lines? I wasn't talking about "logic" but using the "logic" thing as an example of an idea that men might think they understand as "objective observers" when actually they are attaching a value to the idea which is a male value. I.e. "naive conflation of male value with value as such". I wish I'd used "man flu" or " good driving" as an example instead. | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 12:45 AM |
| 2 | Why gender will always matterI beg to differ. One weird thing I have noticed about men - sorry to generalise - is they are SO fetishistic about logic, but often use it so very poorly, even dishonestly. I've lost count of the men who, from my father on, will invoke "logic" to score a point in an emotional argument. Here are some examples of the wonderful male logic I have personally encountered: "I didn't say you were a cunt. I just said you were acting like a cunt. Don't act like a cunt and I won't call you a cunt." "I neve… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 12:38 AM |
| 0 | Why gender will always matterI beg to differ. One weird thing I have noticed about men - sorry to generalise - is they are SO fetishistic about logic, but often use it so very poorly, even dishonestly. I've lost count of the men who, from my father on, will invoke "logic" to score a point in an emotional argument. Here are some examples of the wonderful male logic I have personally encountered: "I didn't say you were a cunt. I just said you were acting like a cunt. Don't act like a cunt and I won't call you a cunt." "I neve… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 12:36 AM |
| 1 | Why gender will always matterNah, I'm not being sexist, and oh SHIT do I wish I'd left the word logic out of that post. Actually I was quoting from a post someone else sent me, and maybe I got a bit carried away, but when he wrote "whatever men considered logical was just logical", this reminded me of something the sociologist George Simmel said, which was that there's a "naive conflation of male values with values as such" and if women sometimes seem immoral or "not objective" , it's not "because of (female) animus against… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 12:01 AM |
| 2 | Why gender will always matterTo be honest I think a lot of the time there's practically no understanding. There's being in love. But that's really just a pleasant form of being in deep trouble. | /r/MensRights | 20/02/20 11:26 PM |
| 2 | Why gender will always matterHey curiously involuntarily celibate guy!! I shouldn't have used "logic" as an example because it seems to have confused everyone. Birth control pills were developed by male researchers in the late 1950s. They contain hormones which trick your body into thinking you're already pregnant. Actually as far as "birth control" goes, the pill is ridiculous - the ovum is only viable for about 12 hours per cycle. Putting your body into a state of mock-pregnancy for years on end in order to avoid being fe… | /r/MensRights | 20/02/20 11:22 PM |
| 1 | Why gender will always matterI wasn't talking about "logic" but about experience, knowledge and belief being influenced by gender. I was suggesting that there's possibly no such thing as a "gender-neutral" point of view. I'll ask you: when you're doing just ordinary stuff, are you always feeling aware of your maleness? Do you feel you ought to always be behaving as a "male"? | /r/MensRights | 20/02/20 10:26 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism always wrong or does it have a point?I thought your answer was so interesting I used it as the basis for a post I wrote called ""why gender matters". Would've given you an award - sorry! Can't do much on this crappy old I pad, on which I depend... | /r/MensRights | 20/02/20 08:04 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Ps I don't regard my conversation with you as "adversarial", by the way. | /r/MensRights | 20/02/20 04:37 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Oops sorry that wasn't you (who said I was using feminism as a channel for emotional problems) - my bad. Am juggling quite a few replies at once... | /r/MensRights | 20/02/20 04:35 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism always wrong or does it have a point?Actually this was a very interesting answer...in first paragraph you mention men possibly seeing some things that happen to women as "privileges" when in fact for women those things seem either quite ordinary or "just normal" - or possibly even as a not a privilege at all but the opposite. I was wondering what sorts of things you meant? One massive example of a female thing that seems to me both a privilege and a problem is pregnancy and childbirth. | /r/MensRights | 20/02/20 04:17 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Well I'd have hoped so. But I've not always been in touch with my "wise mind". It annoys me a bit that you and a few other people have accused me of using feminism as a sort of mask/excuse for anger/emotional problems etc. I've certainly had emotional problems in my personal life, which I am working on (hopefully it isn't too late). But by profession, I'm a literature scholar whose work has been informed by feminism. So my feminism isn't just a lame-brained self-pity trip. I've published one boo… | /r/MensRights | 20/02/20 02:56 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism always wrong or does it have a point?I've read CHS's book about boys, and thought she had some points. Especially how about the decline of male literacy. | /r/MensRights | 20/02/20 02:32 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)No, not at all! I believe Freud felt that women had less "superego" than men (superego being psychobabble for conscience). He used the example of a mother who has a son found guilty of a dreadful crime: rarely will this make her cease to love and approve of her son. While a father might disinherit him etc because, supposedly, men are more compelled by "principle" than mere personal allegiance. Of course in the time Freud wrote, motherly and wifely prejudices towards one's children/husband were m… | /r/MensRights | 20/02/20 02:26 PM |
| 1 | Confused by FBI data on "domestic violence"Lol. Australian I may be, but I DID know the difference between criminal and civil offenses! Thanks for clarification as to misdemeanor/ felony. I think in Australia the equivalent of "misdemeanor" is "infringement". And "felony" is simply called "criminal offense", I believe. | /r/MensRights | 20/02/20 02:22 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Freud always said women had no conscience... | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 06:03 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Yeah in principle - a principle that will be much easier to observe now he's gone and now that I just want to be alone. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 06:02 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism always wrong or does it have a point?No. I'm in Australia - the "unisex shelter" is a very recent thing. Got no idea how many men need specifically a DV shelter, but I do know that for every bed in a women's shelter there's a waiting list about 5 people deep... | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 05:28 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism always wrong or does it have a point?I'm not denying the necessity. I am only saying if the necessity is there, address it. Don't expect feminists to lobby aggressively for funds for men's shelters. There's not enough funds for women's shelters. You're not in touch with reality if you expect a women's shelter co-ordinator (who is having to knock back scores of women victims every day) to make male victims a priority. Shelters for male victims of IPV abuse is an issue for MRAs to tackle. Get off the internet and do it. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 05:15 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism always wrong or does it have a point?Yeah, I agree. A unisex DV shelter is nonsense... Can't speak for the men but a lot of women are very nervous around guys they don't know. Even handymen coming in to fix the toilet... | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 05:09 PM |
| 2 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Thanks, Egal. It was pissy. It's over now though and I'm no longer torn - I know it's best that we never meet again. And I miss him less than I thought I would. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 04:52 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Yeah I agree in principle.. But he could be so lovely, so lovable... As things stand, tbh, the whole experience has put me off ever getting involved again - I suspect for life. Mind you, I am nearly 47 so maybe it's just not so important anymore because I'm older. The main thing is my daughter, of whom I am so proud. She's a fucking genius. When I was her age I was drinking, smoking, worrying about guys... She's this beautiful young woman who spends her free time reading Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, a… | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 04:48 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)I don't "blame". I just worry that maybe I shouldn't be going after compo for my leg. I had to get out of there though .., he'd blocked the door, taken the phone.... I just couldn't help it. It was so awful. I had to get away and busted up my knee horribly doing so. Is it "blaming" in your view to be applying for criminal compensation? | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 04:04 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)I didn't behave well that day. Maybe I am just a dickhead and it's all my fault. The thing I cannot forgive is how he choked me. I had burst blood vessels around/under my eyes in hospital. I'm not sorry I hit him becaus if I hadn't he might've strangled me to death. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 03:53 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)That's horrific. I feel for you. I actually spent about an hour typing a reply to your post but am wary of getting too specific about my story, but there were many similar points. You are right about "don't be an angry ass". The thing with me is I'm so suggestible. I'll be whatever whoever is talking to me wants me to be. It's gotten worse, not better, with age! | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 03:16 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism always wrong or does it have a point?No hampering intended... Btw, just before I left shelter I learned there was a unisex shelter house opening up. A woman had been offered a place there along with her two kids but had knocked it back because she said she didn't feel happy about taking her kids to live in a house with totally strange men... I think it's a sad thing for men that "strange men" tends to mean "child molestors". Really rotten. But all the same I do think for everyone's peace of mind DV shelters should be separate sex, … | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 03:09 PM |
| 0 | Japanese woman to white womenWell maybe WHITE women are coddled ... The crappy Pixar face accompanying this post pisses me off. I tried to write a book once about Real Dolls and the men who love them. At some point it started degenerating into a lot of guys wanting to fuck latex monsters with twee little faces like the one posted above. I just gave up in disgust and exhaustion. Who can fathom the quandaries of male, uh, "Eros"? | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 02:54 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism always wrong or does it have a point?Ps thanks for your non-hateful reply ... I am quite cheered by it! | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 02:44 PM |
| 0 | Is feminism always wrong or does it have a point?I'm not saying it's not a necessity. I'm only saying it's a bit dopey to think feminists should make it a priority. What is MRA for, if not for tackling issues like men's shelters? | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 02:43 PM |
| 1 | Confused by FBI data on "domestic violence"Actually pardon my ignorance but as an Australian, I have always been confused by the word "felony". Is this just a synonym for "crime"/"criminal act"? | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 02:35 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)What "savagery"? I admit "flogging for men who beat women" was a bit OTT | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 02:31 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)I don't know. I think CTS style studies are misleading, but so too are studies based entirely on women in shelters. I think the basic question: Are you afraid for your life? Is quite pertinent. If you are, you KNOW you can't piss about anymore. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 02:29 PM |
| 2 | Confused by FBI data on "domestic violence"That's very helpful...thanks! | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 02:08 PM |
| 2 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Ps how much time did you do? | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 02:06 PM |
| 2 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Neighbors called cops. He got a 48 hour stay-away order. Where DO you get this notion that men who are arrested actually go to jail in DV situations? I've only got one child, and she's 20. When I mentioned kids I was thinking of the many other women I met in the shelter. I can't really tell you the whole story without risking someone recognising it. All I can say is: I have been in a very scary spot and I don't even know why I am alive. I am not "anti-male" but I will NOT, as he would have it, b… | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 02:05 PM |
| 0 | Is feminism always wrong or does it have a point?Oh and FUCKARAMA that last sentence? About child services should be called because only a bad abusive Mum could "subject a child to that behaviour". What behaviour, or rather WHOSE behaviour? No mother should lose her kids because of violence the Mum has no control over. You think those kids would rather be in foster care than with their own Mum? Especially if she's had the prick arrested? Taken out that VRO? My point was that it's when the mother DOES decide to do something about his violence..… | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 12:55 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Ps and thanks for suggesting "I could've left" - ie left MY home for him to live in. Fuck that. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 12:46 PM |
| 2 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)So he gets the free pass,it would seem. His violence was.. what? Not really violence, I suspect. I'm honest and don't fit your approved victim paradigm... You think it's easy to get a man to leave when he doesn't want to? When you've got children? I worked SO hard to keep him out of gaol. That's the awful thing. And it's true of most women who are seriously abused. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 12:42 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism always wrong or does it have a point?Re: Ok so first off, one of your solutions for a man to "save himself" is to physically pick up and throw out of a house. That's just dangerous for both sides. You basically just put all men in a group and said "well hey there man you're stronger so shouldn't suffer from domestic abuse because you've got physical strength" In the same way you just said its wrong for people to say "why didn't you leave" you used the exact same reasoning to say "why didn't you put her outside". Okay, I have no sta… | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 12:35 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Yeah sorry I will read your longer post properly...have been very flat out last couple of days.... | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 11:43 AM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Yes - it wouldn't have become a violent relationship if he hadn't started it out that way. Initially he used to throw things at me, that's how it started. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 11:38 AM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)why? Why take the chance? It is stupid to take such a chance. I agree. But I wouldn't have gotten violent with him, ever, if he hadn't set the precedent by belting me around to start with. It's so humiliating and shocking getting beaten up by a man twice your size. Somehow the fact that you're having sex with him makes it worse. You just can't believe it's happening. It makes you frightened, long term, but at least initially it's so hurtful and outrageous. Just a betrayal of the trust you've put… | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 11:30 AM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)I don't know about rape. I haven't been raped and I haven't read about it enough to know to what extent women falsely accuse men of rape, aside from shit everyone knows, such as rape overall is vastly under reported by both male and female victims. Anecdotally I have known several women and one man who were raped - none of them went to the cops. Anecdotally I have also known some narcissistic women who are forever fussing about how they "could have been raped" or were "almost raped" but I've nev… | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 11:12 AM |
| 2 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Context does matter, whether you are male or female. Part of the context of fights between men and women is that men are usually stronger than women. So no-one should hit anyone, ideally, but I'm not going to blame myself for the dreadful physical abuse I went through anymore just because on a few occasions I "hit him first". He brought the violence to the relationship. He alternately terrified me/outraged me by using his size and strength to get what he wanted. It was completely unfair and wron… | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 10:58 AM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Hey the article I posted last night had value, I felt, because it showed that CTS studies don't attend to context or even consequence of violence. So for eg, if my ex was asked had he ever shoved me, and answered, honestly, yes, and if he was asked who instigated the violence, and shared that I did, because I'd smacked his face, the conclusion would be that I was not only the instigator but was guilty of more severe violence than him (since the CTS rates slaps as more violent than shoves). Becau… | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 10:51 AM |
| 1 | Is feminism always wrong or does it have a point?I think MRAs are "blaming feminist bogeymen" about insufficient funding for male victims of IPV, not enough male shelters etc. Because it's plain that women will need them more, and not necessarily cos women are blameless. It's really pretty simple: women are either chased out of their home (the "acceptable victim") or, quite often, there's mutual violence which the man decides to end by simply physically putting the woman outside and locking the door on her. Most women just can't do this to men… | /r/MensRights | 19/02/20 09:48 AM |
| 0 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Women over-report their violence. They need to. They can't bear the fact that the man they're with hates them enough to choke them unconscious/break their faces/break their bones/fuck up their life. It's unbearable to think you've brought this on yourself just for existing. So you magnify all the shit you've done - most of it quite sane and healthy- into "disrespect" towards HIM. Actually a great big guy who beats his small wife ought to be flogged in public. Y'all complain about getting arreste… | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 09:32 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism always wrong or does it have a point?What's this women's March-keynote-speaker-torturer story? Am intrigued.... | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 08:56 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)I've been sent that biblio before. I've even looked up some of the articles- most aren't available for free. They include a lot of essays in topics like "dating violence" and "date rape" which is not what I am talking about. What are you ultimately trying to say? That women ought not to speak out against DV unless they acknowledge men are "equally" victimised? This simply isn't true. Men are much more likely to die violently than women - because of other men. The vast majority of male homicides … | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 08:54 PM |
| 0 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)"We know" ....we know this how? Citations! Preferably something not authored by Straus or Dutton. Surprise me. And google the basic stats the US justice dept has about DV while you're at it. Warning: don't conflate common couple violence stats with death and injury. Which overwhelmingly happens to women at the hands of men. | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 08:18 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/12/us/domestic-violence-victims.html According to above article in 2017 over 1,500 women died, which is 29 per week. 710 men also died in 2017 from IPV. Justice Dept stats for USA say 70 percent of IPV deaths are women, approx-it's been this ratio for the last 30 years. | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 08:13 PM |
| 0 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Yeah. "Astounding" is correct. "Incredible" is correct. 'Non-credible" most correct of all ...but these are the sources from which MRAs get their proof that women are more violent than men... | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 05:51 PM |
| 2 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Really? Should my first husband be held accountable for my mother's suicide because his hateful bullshit custody war plunged her into acute depression? Am I a victim of this "proxy violence"? Or does it only apply to men? | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 05:49 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)You are cherry picking. Come up with a source aside from Dutton, or Straus, and show me data that's not CTS based. Actually, what-the-fuck is wrong with data from police and hospitals, which consistently indicates that 80-90 percent of victims of lethal/sub lethal injury from IPV are WOMEN? | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 05:45 PM |
| 2 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)https://assets.speakcdn.com/assets/2497/domestic_violence2.pdf Click on above link for non "cherry-picked" data. One in three female homicides is IPV: one in 20 male homicides is IPV. In the US, at least | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 05:40 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Really? Do 17 men die every week from IPV? That's how many women died, on average, as homicide victims from IPV in the US in 2018-2019. | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 04:39 PM |
| 2 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)As always I will read in depth every link to every article anyone recommends to me about DV. And I am grateful. However, on average 1 woman is murdered per week in Australia by a partner/ex partner. I've looked up stats for the US: in 2018 nearly 900 women were killed by a partner/ex partner. This equals 17 women EVERY WEEK getting killed from DV/IPV. It's like a war. | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 04:35 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Actually I just got banned from shittyhub! Where I'd only posted 3 times! | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 03:27 PM |
| 0 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)I think the"40 percent" referred to proportion of couples across USA/Australia who refused to do survey. The conclusion that within this 40 percent you'll find the batterred women is hypothetically plausible (what batterred woman - or man -would be comfortable with letting DV researchers inside their home?) but completely speculative. | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 03:25 PM |
| 1 | On CTS surveys (extracts from See What You Made Me Do by Jess Hill)Ps since I sense I am about to get banned -plus am a bit boozed- thought I'd share extracts from this extremely fair-minded and tough book. | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 02:34 PM |
| 2 | Is feminism always wrong or does it have a point?As an aside I have been kicked off every sub reddit I have subscribed to because of suspected "trolling". Yet the only remotely controversial posts I'Ve ever done have been here. I suspect I'll be kicked off this sub too soon. If that's the case, thanks for the conversation... | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 01:54 PM |
| 1 | Ex-Femenists what made you turn?I WISH SOMEONE WOULD FIX THE SPELLING! Aaarrrrgghhhh | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 12:23 PM |
| 1 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.Hi I have read most of the links you sent with interest: I even drafted a long reply ... but suddenly felt it was unlikely to get read. I guess my overall feeling is that: "Common couple violence" shouldn't be conflated with DV that results in lethal or near lethal injury And Perhaps I missed something but I could not understand why Dutton (first article) felt data generated by police records was dubious. ? | /r/MensRights | 18/02/20 12:11 PM |
| 1 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.Thanks for your erudite meditation on the question of domestic violence-to be honest recently I've had a lot of hate posts and have been accused of trolling ... actually had all but decided to hang up my hat and go away! But your post has redeemed the situation. I suppose given my recent experiences, I've been rather persistent in reminding guys on this sub that although women can be "guilty too", this ought not to cancel out a man's responsibility to be mindful of his physical advantage over a … | /r/MensRights | 16/02/20 04:05 AM |
| 1 | Short bibliography: men, women and DV (Feel free to make additions)Okay. Personally I've never had a problem b-ok.cc but it did temporarily slip my mind that downloading books is illegal ... apologies. | /r/MensRights | 15/02/20 11:42 AM |
| 3 | The word to shut downI don't do that and I'm a woman. On the other hand I get called a "troll", an "idiot", an "asshole" and a bigot by practically everyone. Just for wanting my rights. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/20 08:35 PM |
| 0 | How many men would WANT a DV shelter, even if they needed it?What mother? What daughter? What are you talking about? Something recent in US news? | /r/MensRights | 14/02/20 08:18 PM |
| 1 | Do y’all know what the Duluth model is?Btw what figures were trotted out? You provided a title/link which in turn linked to an Aust Bureau Statistics Study which seemed to counter, rather than support, whatever you are trying to say - and other than calling me an idiot/troll/bigot, you've said not much at all. If wanting to have a free speech debate about understanding data on DV makes me a troll, I guess I'm a troll. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/20 08:16 PM |
| 11 | Happy Misandry day, err Valentine's Day.Sheeit ... $230??? That's ludicrous! | /r/MensRights | 14/02/20 03:57 PM |
| 0 | How many men would WANT a DV shelter, even if they needed it?I am not saying men should not get help. I am just making the point that a DV shelter is worst option for victim, either female or male. Having the abuser arrested and then obtaining a VRO to prevent their return to the home is obviously more appropriate. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/20 03:53 PM |
| 0 | How many men would WANT a DV shelter, even if they needed it?When and where did I say men shouldn't ask for help, Mr Logic? | /r/MensRights | 14/02/20 03:48 PM |
| 1 | How many men would WANT a DV shelter, even if they needed it?The thing is, youse all think feminism equals "denying men their rights". But you invest heavily in feminist thought with the supposedly brilliant proviso of "ah! Men suffer too in EXACTLY the SAME way and require EXACTLY the same help. Actually if it wasn't for feminism you would not have a domestic violence consciousness and "victim hood" to claim. Yet feminism is "oppressing" you. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/20 03:46 PM |
| 1 | when your abuser uses you defending yourself as reason to continue what do you do?Yet again, my questions are not answered - you just keep saying the same thing: women who stay deserve to be hit. Men are obviously too rational and with-it to put up with such abuse. "Depending on how it shook out", you know what you'd do. You'd kick her ass out, regardless of shared children. You would just physically put her out of the house. If I'd been able to exercise such a privilege, I'd be about $200 000 better off. I would've been able to pursue my career in peace. I would've had an en… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/20 03:33 PM |
| 1 | Do y’all know what the Duluth model is?No, why don't we recap YOUR shit. You cannot read properly. You don't substantiate any of the above. When did I say I'd never seen a quantitative study? Did you see my post re "Diary of an Abused Male"? Is that "bigotry "? If you and the other men here just want a love in with each other and Karen fucking Straughn et al, go ahead and ban me... | /r/MensRights | 14/02/20 03:22 PM |
| 1 | Do y’all know what the Duluth model is?yeah I get the point ...do you think "men don't get dv shelters because women hog the funding?" I mean do you honestly feel there are just as many men as women who are a.not earning money b. in charge of small kids 24/7 c. unable to dominate in a physical struggle with spouse if necessary? is the above a typical situation for a man? | /r/MensRights | 14/02/20 11:43 AM |
| 0 | How many men would WANT a DV shelter, even if they needed it?Ps that aside what are you talking about re mother abusing daughter etc? | /r/MensRights | 12/02/20 07:15 PM |
| 1 | How many men would WANT a DV shelter, even if they needed it?Sorry someone who keeps calling me a bigot ... Well, not you, so my bad. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/20 07:14 PM |
| -1 | How many men would WANT a DV shelter, even if they needed it?Oh the cops? Yeah, they'll lock that fucker up 48 hours if you're looking lucky... Get fucked you brainless bigot. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/20 06:36 PM |
| 1 | How many men would WANT a DV shelter, even if they needed it?Re". It's too risky when all a woman has to do is cry to make others think that she is the real victim. I don't think it's fair to assume that A. The majority of women are that evil Nor B. That being "believed more" when weeping in front of cops AFTER the shit storm's over is "so powerful" that it can trump a violent man's power to seriously injure her BEFORE the cops rock up. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/20 04:53 PM |
| -1 | How many men would WANT a DV shelter, even if they needed it?Sorry you mean "female abuser" automatically gets home/kids because she goes to shelter? Be more clear please... | /r/MensRights | 12/02/20 03:16 PM |
| 2 | How many men would WANT a DV shelter, even if they needed it?Yeah, I left him - when she was only two. He stalked and bullied me and my family for years. He sic'd child services onto me and lied through his teeth all the way through a terrible family court dispute. Actually he hounded me so much I had to go to mental ward- only for a week, but he got "interim custody" which it took me two years to fight. Then when she was 13 he just stopped bringing her to see my (in spite of court order) because he got a promotion and was meant to be paying me more child… | /r/MensRights | 12/02/20 03:13 PM |
| 1 | Do y’all know what the Duluth model is?Well in Australia there ARE men's DV shelters - my roommate from the women's shelter I recently stayed in was referred to a unisex shelter. Please take it easy calling me a "bigot" - I'm not calling you an asshole just on the strength of us having a debate.... | /r/MensRights | 12/02/20 02:56 PM |
| 1 | How many men would WANT a DV shelter, even if they needed it?hey I don't doubt you. I wouldn't say size is TOTALLY irrelevant. My daugjter's dad was masterful at making life seem worthless plus terrifying and he rarely laid a hand on me. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/20 09:29 AM |
| 0 | How many men would WANT a DV shelter, even if they needed it?you "tolerated" her abusing you? telling choice of words possibly. you don't "tolerate" some fucker who's twice your size choking you until you are nearly unconscious or breaking your arm or leg. you just shut up and do what he says. that said I don't know your situation: circumstances alter cases. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/20 07:48 AM |
| -1 | How many men would WANT a DV shelter, even if they needed it?Yeah I get all that but still... the counselling usually sux. Person of very average IQ telling you what you already know. A lot of the time you'd rather NOT be prodded emotionally. Also they can fuck with you if you don't behave, like send negative feedback about you to child welfare services. They're awful places. In a way I'm totally onside for more men's shelters because I doubt men would tolerate this kind of crap. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/20 07:04 AM |
| -8 | How many men would WANT a DV shelter, even if they needed it?If I was a man without kids I'd rather the homeless shelter to a DV shelter tbh. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/20 06:45 AM |
| 1 | Do y’all know what the Duluth model is?Ps sorry you mean MEN who want shelters from abusive women should get them? Well if they want them, they can have 'em! (See above). Shelters are the worst option for victims. Only the truly desperate would go there. Mostly women, it would seem. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/20 06:12 AM |
| 1 | Do y’all know what the Duluth model is?No of course they deserve help too. But women don't go to shelters for fun or to make men look bad - usually they have good reason to think they're at risk of getting killed/seriously injured. Think about it: what would it take for you to want to trade in your own home, with all your own stuff in it, not to mention your privacy, for a bed in a shelter? You wouldn't do it unless you were truly shit-scared, would you? The sheltering of chronically homeless men and women is obviously important (esp… | /r/MensRights | 12/02/20 06:02 AM |
| 1 | when your abuser uses you defending yourself as reason to continue what do you do?So exactly what would you do if your lady-friend hit you? Drop everything and run off to a shelter, so she could stay in the house? What if you had kids with her? | /r/MensRights | 12/02/20 04:03 AM |
| 1 | Do y’all know what the Duluth model is?oh sorry, you were using the "Royal we", evidently, when you said "we" can't chuck all the homeless men out cos of female DV victims worried about getting killed. More men than women in Canada are "affected" by DV? By your own admission the majority of DV deaths in Canada were predominantly female (?last?) year. What's worse (or as bad) as being a homicide victim? | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 07:50 PM |
| 6 | Why has my subscript to R/Feminism been cancelled forever?Well yeah I got that sorted, just too drunk to remember user name to alt account: "Tristitia et Anxietas", as W. Byrd sang... | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 06:52 PM |
| 6 | Why has my subscript to R/Feminism been cancelled forever?Lol. Like your post: sounds like interesting title for a poem. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 06:26 PM |
| 0 | Do y’all know what the Duluth model is?Look if you do work at a shelter in fact (which sounds fucking unlikely, given that you are posting about it on social media, which is just not professional), it's obviously not a DV shelter. If it was you wouldn't have mostly male clients-as your previous posts imply is the case. You know what? You are making a lot of assumptions about me. You've called me an "asshole" and a "bigot" as well as "lazy". I've tolerated that, been polite, and using a link YOU gave me have proven my original point. … | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 06:02 PM |
| -1 | Do y’all know what the Duluth model is?https://apo.org.au/sites/default/files/resource-files/2018/05/apo-nid174811-1209156.pdf Thanks for your helpful suggestions, which yielded the info from the Australian Bureau of Stats that in 2018 about 80 percent of victims of IPV were women. They didn't go into the whole issue of whether or not the dead women had hit the men first: oddly, they seemed chiefly preoccupied with the over representation of women in Australia as domestic violence fatalities. Please refer to link above. Or if you can… | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 04:24 PM |
| -1 | Do y’all know what the Duluth model is?Well there seems to be plenty of online info about the majority of DV homicide victims being women. But doubtless they were asking for it in one way or another? | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 04:05 PM |
| 1 | when your abuser uses you defending yourself as reason to continue what do you do?No-one deserves abuse because they "stay". | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 01:51 PM |
| 1 | when your abuser uses you defending yourself as reason to continue what do you do?Ps although your suspicions of my intentions leads me to suspect that maybe "good faith", on this sub, consists in gestures only ... consider it gone, anyway. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 01:39 PM |
| 1 | when your abuser uses you defending yourself as reason to continue what do you do?Okay, well as a gesture of good faith, I'll delete the post then. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 01:22 PM |
| 1 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryI dunno - rejection of "family" need not mean "insanity". speaking as a mother, I know, for example, I'd always want to put my kids first. the way the "traditional" family can operate sometimes makes it hard to put your kids first. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/20 12:50 PM |
| 3 | when your abuser uses you defending yourself as reason to continue what do you do?Hey it's you Nybaz - well your replies to my posts have cheered me a lot: I was thinking of what you wrote when I cross-posted this..if it's objectionable or inadvisable in your view I am happy to delete it...I'm a bit naive about reddit politics. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 12:27 PM |
| 2 | when your abuser uses you defending yourself as reason to continue what do you do?Cos some very decent men from this sub have given me support and I appreciate it a lot. Also on the DV site, in my experience, you don't get the kind of advice you need the most in this kind of situation ... Just "Duluth model" type stuff that sounds unreal-thought some feedback from (hopefully) good men about this guy might be constructive. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 12:15 PM |
| 1 | when your abuser uses you defending yourself as reason to continue what do you do?Hope you don't mind that I cross-posted this on MRA website where, hopefully, you'll get constructive male as well as female advice (I have re my own recent past). I've got to say it sounds to me like it's certain to get worse and it sounds quite bad enough already! Your BF is being, of course, ludicrous by saying you are "triggering" physical violence by ANY of the behaviors you have described. I'm especially concerned that he construes your screams of pain as an act of aggression - I've been t… | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 11:21 AM |
| 7 | Men need to remove themselves from the abortion debates, and instead focus on the creation of artificial wombsSorry not in space where can read whole post right now, but going on your title I agree. Presumably the fake wombs won't include pain in the ass features such as menstruation? And long painful labor plus multiple health issues after?!? Btw how the hell does a four month pregnant woman get an abortion? Second trimester abortions are illegal in Australia unless the woman's health is menaced. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 07:45 AM |
| -1 | Found another good one."I'm a man/with a baby/I got it cos I done it with a lady!" | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 07:34 AM |
| 1 | Girl rapes her sisters boyfriend and then accuses him of rape. Girlfriend stood by her man and eventually got a confession. Mods remove it from front page because it showed men can be raped.It's shitty that this got removed ... unless the extent of detail bordered on doxing? Maybe that's why it got deleted? | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 07:22 AM |
| 28 | Ex-Femenists what made you turn?Were you involved in any feminist student activism when young? Because I was, and while I never lost my personal feminist ideals, I was certainly put off activism by the shockingly stupid fights between different feminist factions at major events. Like the Australian Labour Party Feminists fighting with the Australian Socialist Feminists, and the gay separatists fighting with both of those two...and everyone hissing at the conservative/liberal feminists. It escalated to an actual physical brawl … | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 06:45 AM |
| 7 | Ex-Femenists what made you turn?Sorry if I'm being pedantic, but misspelling the word "feminist" is not a very good look for starting a thread? Maybe turn spellcheck on next time? | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 06:34 AM |
| 1 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryTbh have been looking up pre-twentieth century mortality and the figure of 25 deaths per 1000 births comes up quite a lot, which is about 1/40 (not 1/4) ... since I haven't read book for ages, I am wondering if Greer actually said "1/40" but I misremembered it as 1/4 (?) If so, apologies. If I can ever find the damned book around here I'll look it up and share what she actually said. All the same it is true that 1/40 ain't terribly cheery odds by contemporary standards, as I am sure you'd agree!… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/20 06:21 AM |
| 1 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryWell, thanks! Apology accepted. Sorry if I got a bit het-up too. I got a bit peeved because the woman's role, as you say, was indeed hard back then. Hell I've only had ONE child and even though I had very short uncomplicated labour, it was still bad enough! Having to do it eight or ten times would be harsh! I will look at your links. I am very interested in the WW1 debacle. Two of my great uncles served in that war, and returned as utterly broken men before they were even 25. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/20 05:00 AM |
| 1 | Girl rapes her sisters boyfriend and then accuses him of rape. Girlfriend stood by her man and eventually got a confession. Mods remove it from front page because it showed men can be raped.Can anyone provide a link for this article? I would like to read it but the image posted is too blurry... | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 04:50 AM |
| 1 | Brilliantly articulated."Equality feminism" is over-simplistic bullshit. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 04:40 AM |
| -1 | Do y’all know what the Duluth model is?Men have been 40 percent of victims in Canadian study in what way ? Are they 40 percent of the homicide victims? Of hospital admissions? Please explain and provide link to study if possible. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 04:08 AM |
| 1 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.Hey I looked up your first link - couldn't help but notice that these huge studies were based on data gathered using CTS (Conflict Tactics Scale). I have a few problems with CTS surveys,but the main one is that usually they are administered by calling someone up, asking if they are coupled, and if yes, have they been physically attacked/perpetuated an attack in the last 12 months, then going into how often, how severe, etc. The problem is that the other half of the couple is not also surveyed. S… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 09:30 PM |
| 1 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryWell, okay, don't accept it then. There's a wealth of data on maternal mortality rates online but it differs from country to country, and obviously the further back in time you go, the less reliable the data is. Still, it's not hard to find evidence for my point that having a baby was considerably more dangerous before the twentieth century. Even now it's relatively risky. I know many, many women who required emergency c-sections: in the 1800s they probably would've died. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 08:57 PM |
| 1 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?Ps isn't hitting someone just out of frustration because they hit you "abusive", strictly speaking? I mean unless your safety is being threatened, there should be no excuse for hitting a person, surely? Feeling "frustrated" or annoyed is not the same thing as feeling threatened. Hitting someone just cos they hit first also sounds dubious to me. I actually did these things sometimes and I really wish I hadn't, for lots of reasons... | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 08:49 PM |
| 1 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?Ps I did forget the restraining order. That's really just a piece of paper though. He can come back and hurt you if he wants. Also these aren't as easy to obtain for longer periods as you might think. If you want an order longer than a few days or weeks, you have to go to court and explain to three magistrates why you ought to have one. It's not a given that the judges will give you one just for showing up. After all, you are asking for his freedom of action to be circumscribed for a long time. … | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 08:41 PM |
| 1 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?Actually I did not feel like there were "so many options" and there certainly aren't as many as you seem to think once you are forced to explore them. First and huge problem is: you can't make HIM leave if he doesn't want to. Things have to get pretty bad indeed for anyone, man or woman, to willingly abandon their home, all their possessions, pets, and sometimes even their own children, in exchange for a bed in a shelter. In fact, very few women (me included) go willingly to a shelter. Mostly wo… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 08:26 PM |
| 1 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryWell it's certainly debunked as a myth all over Google, as I discovered when I just looked it up. But as far as I know was being taught in schools as recently as two or three years ago, when I was still a teacher. So I suppose my source was the Education Department of New South Wales. Should we trust them or Google? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 08:07 PM |
| 1 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)Lol. I did get a bit worked up... | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 08:01 PM |
| 1 | Examining Patriarchy TheorySee Sex and Destiny: the Politics of Human Fertility by Germaine Greer. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 07:46 PM |
| 1 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryActually I meant one in four women died from complications caused by childbirth, some of which don't necessarily become a problem until a woman is past menopause. My point was that pre-19th century, if you were a woman, there was a one in four chance that you would die from a health issue caused by having babies. Not that literally one in four women died actually giving birth. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 07:29 PM |
| 0 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?Oops you are correct, my bad. I must brush up on the "logical fallacies" - they are fascinating in themselves. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 07:13 PM |
| 1 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?Oh sorry. Got confused and thought you meant I was doin' the straw man shit, not the dude with white nationalist analogy... | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 07:03 PM |
| 0 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?I agree with you that a grown woman ought to know what she's doing ... the thing is if you are a woman and a man hits you .. it's like you're either scared of him (most of the time) or so angry with him that sometimes you just don't care that strictly speaking it's wrong for you to hit him. The situation isn't helped by the fact that often he's isolated you a lot. You lose your morale and sometimes your morals too...I knew we were living the wrong way. I just didn't know how to end it, or even i… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 07:01 PM |
| 1 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?Deleted my post re "so you say there's no such thing as male violence" because it has provoked a lot of nastiness... plus I reflected that it wasn't my place to share personal stuff online about other women from shelter I was in. Also I am now getting accused of being a troll. I'm honestly not! I'm going to look for the stuff I've had from people on this sub that has minimised/denied male violence, will forward to you. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 06:30 PM |
| 0 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryMy brother, who's very tired, read your post and says: "what fucking century does he think this is?" | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 06:23 PM |
| 1 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?What straw man? Isn't the ad hominem fallacy when you try to disparage your opponent by mentioning something completely irrelevant like "he "so and so's position on abortion is bollocks because last week she was charged with drunk driving?" I was posting about male violence because so many people from this sub have insisted it is a "myth" or a "Feminist Lie" (btw I downloaded that book to read and it's jam-packed with straw men to the extent I can't read it for more than a few pages without snee… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 06:07 PM |
| 1 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?Well, you are right ... I am spending altogether too much time on Reddit. Tbh I don't have anything else much to do ... no tv, no electricity. Just told my very dear brother (who's here) about your post and he warned me against being so explicit about my situation...and just made the point that he feels Men's Rights ought to be a continuation of the sort of awareness that feminists have introduced. Eg that some men exercise petty power over other men (eg bus drivers sniggering if he doesn't have… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 05:53 PM |
| 2 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryHave you heard of "gender trouble" by Judith Butler? She rejects "patriarchy" in favor of a much more nuanced look at how gender, race and class intersect to impose "performative identity" - by which I understand her to mean that our "selves" are always "scripted" oppressively, or at least in order to please dominant discourses. And she sees this as affecting men as well as women. If anything, she is SO careful to attend to diversity that personally, I find it hard to see how her work can advanc… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 05:45 PM |
| 0 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryThe problem is that it's very hard to quantify UNPAID labour. And there's little doubt that unpaid work is nearly always women's work. You might argue that in "contemporary" societies this is no longer the case...even if that's true (which is highly arguable), you can't deny that women do all the unpaid labour in the "third world". | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 05:03 PM |
| 1 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)Hey I've been a feminist since I was about 11 so I haven't been "preyed on". And you needn't feel sorry for me: I've accepted that a woman like me ought to be single. If I want to have sex I'll keep it casual: if I fall in love again, I'll just not let him move in. Because in ALL the marriages/live in relationships I've had, it's always about what He wants to do. For example: sleeping in bed with men. I like to read in bed at night. Only one of the five men I've co-habit ex with would allow this… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 05:02 PM |
| 1 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryOops women do two thirds of the world's work and own TEN percent of the world's wealth. Sorry my bad. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 04:28 PM |
| 1 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryHey, I wanna read the rest of your post in-depth, but I have to take issue with your claim that "women's labour is valued less" is a meaningless cliche. Haven't you heard that globally, women do two thirds of the world's work and own one percent of the world's wealth? I do believe this is a solid stat. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 04:10 PM |
| 2 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryAs a feminist, I think what many feminists will not admit is that there will never be a true feminist revolution because a true feminist revolution would indeed entail a rejection of marriage, family, and the heterosexual unit. I cannot help but think that marriage, family, and the heterosexual unit do in fact entail that women defer to men. While these exist as our "norm" women will not be free. But how many women are prepared to take the rough road of rejecting all of that, of saying: "that's … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 03:59 PM |
| 1 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryVery interesting. Of necessity, some finer points are skimmed, such as "intersectional feminism" and the replacement of "patriarchy" theory with a theory of power as mediated through complicated interplay between gender/class/race: the crucial triad. Carole Pateman, in her book The Sexual Contract, argues that patriarchy was really over once the "Enlightenment" writers of the 18th century - Rousseau, Locke, John Stuart Mill and others - endorsed the replacement of father-right with egalitarian "… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 03:49 PM |
| 1 | Why is there nothing to counter being called a "mansplainer" or accused of "mansplaining"Hey I am a feminist woman and lots of guys on this sub have told me to shut up/go away just because. Being irrational or injust is not, as myth has it, an exclusively female thing. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 12:05 PM |
| 1 | Do y’all know what the Duluth model is?The Duluth Model was devised from documenting the similar experiences of 250 women who had stayed in the Duluth shelter because of DV. The women shared their stories and some common themes emerged : eg "he wanted control" ; "he threatened me/the kids"; "he isolated me", etc. I know I will be howled down by saying the following: 2 years ago, when my ex seriously injured me, I was counselled that things could only get worse, and the Duluth "wheel of control" or something like that was shown to me … | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 11:54 AM |
| 2 | Why is there nothing to counter being called a "mansplainer" or accused of "mansplaining"I've been accused of "ma'amsplaining". As for your friend, if he truly "FORCED" her to have sex, it's rape obviously. Even if she let him in her bed etc. When you were trying to explain "why guys do this", did you mean you were trying to explain stuff like how letting a guy into your bed sends the "okay" signal, possibly? But even so, surely a man an tell whether a woman is consenting to sex or not without her having to scream NO! Or maybe not? Mute acquiescence to sex, however much the sex is u… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 11:40 AM |
| -1 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?It sounds like you handled the situation as best as you could. I think if a "90 lbs" girl is hitting you, the presumably much bigger person, it's fair to restrain her without hurting her. What isn't right is punching her back. I'm about to make an analogy that's almost disrespectful to women - but it's like me (100 lbs) being in "mutual combat" with a child who weighs 50lbs and is having a major tantrum. If this child slaps or kicks me, am I going to return her blows in kind? Of course not! | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 11:23 AM |
| 1 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?THANKS for being a man who will say that without qualification. I appreciate it. I am glad he didn't have to go to gaol, though, because he would've come out worse, even more resentful. I do think he should've been made to attend a violence intervention program. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 10:36 AM |
| 1 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?Oh gosh I'll try but am a bit inept on this I pad ...but hang on ..., | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 10:31 AM |
| 1 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?No, I am not in side with any feminists who'd make such gross and stupid generalizations...tbh I have never met any such feminists in real life, except maybe a couple gay women- whom I suspect had become gay because of horrendous sexual abuse from childhood which had made them wary of men ...also , other than Valeria Solanas, I haven't read any feminist writing in which men are dismissed/blamed en masse. Please direct me to examples/links where such attitudes are articulated: I'd be most interes… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 10:29 AM |
| 2 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?I realize many men wouldn't endorse such views here, but there are certainly plenty of "idiots" on the bandwagon on this sub... | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 07:38 AM |
| 2 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?OH YEAH! They did. Not literally by saying "I'm a MRA" but by telling me women start the abuse, escalate the abuse ... that women are liars and make false accusations... | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 07:36 AM |
| 1 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)I suppose I call myself a feminist because I want to be free. I don't feel free. I've been literally crippled by a man. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 07:26 AM |
| 1 | Imagine hating men so much you write this articlePs am SO TIRED of reading about male "narcissists" and I hate the word "gas lighting". Not because of what it describes - the dissonance between what person says and what they actually do. But more and more these pop-psych terms: "narcissists" ;"gas lighting'" - are short cuts for thinking and articulating the lived experience of domestic violence. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 07:19 AM |
| 3 | Imagine hating men so much you write this articleUgh. As if Amanda Heard ever had to rock up to a women's shelter in the middle of the night with nothing but the clothes on her back.. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 07:09 AM |
| -5 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?The women were in the shelter because their partners had physically forced them out of their home. That's why you don't have men's shelters. Btw women's shelters are not free. I paid $800 per month for a shared room. We were subjected to impromptu searches for drugs, not allowed to drink alcohol, etc. Had to ask to go out, had to be dependent upon the whimsy of unsympathetic staff. I remember one morning pretending to be asleep while my roommate alternately wept and raged to her kids' father abo… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 06:47 AM |
| -1 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?Actually a lot of men have sent me replies to the effect that men usually just respond to women's violence - that women abuse men and then men "lose it' and lash out. In other words, it's usually the woman's fault. I don't think this this is fair. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 06:17 AM |
| -2 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?Thanks. I recognise female violence, and -as you've read-have been violent myself. I don't think I was abusive though...or was I? I do know that I resented him being able to shut me up and shut me down, because he was bigger and stronger. I also protected him from the cops many times. Even after the very last incident, when I broke my leg, I didn't want to press charges. As soon as I got to hospital, the cops were by my stretcher. This one cop asked me for a statement, but I refused. Then he sai… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 06:14 AM |
| -1 | Okay, tell me how there's no such thing as male violence?Those are awful stories and I don't endorse female violence at all. I hit my ex sometimes. Not as often towards the end...I felt humiliated by him hitting me so sometimes there was retaliation on my part. He would say we both needed to be less violent But, I admit, I am angry. Because here I am with broken leg, in a destroyed home. My leg was so badly smashed that my surgeon tells me I will certainly get arthritis and need a knee replacement when I am older. I am trying to get criminal compensat… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 05:46 AM |
| 1 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)I too think feminism is riddled with conflicts and incoherence. But as a woman who has lost practically everything because of abusive men violent I am not going to shut up and go away. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 04:59 AM |
| 1 | The “manosphere” is getting more toxic as angry men join the incelshey, that's not fair! I've been seriously in love with more than one man who didnt have a bean-it's always brains that count with me. Can't talk to stupid people for long, regardless of gender. Looks are not important, money isn't important ...I admit that I prefer men who are "intellectual" but they don't need to have gone to "college" (or "uni" as we say in Australia). My ex - who destroyed our relationship with violence and infidelity) had no money, no job. I was buying his cigarettes! But he… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 03:44 AM |
| 1 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)no, I have been a feminist since I was eleven and read The Female Eunuch - during a bad attack of tonsilitus. My mum was a 1970s style feminist: it was her book. It is a great book, by Germaine Greer-not at all man-hating: the opposite! I think all serious MRAs should read it, actually. It shows how women are complicit in oppressing themselves a lot of the time. As for my violent ex - he was very physically violent. He broke my shoulder just by shoving me - among much worse stuff like choking me… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/20 03:25 AM |
| 1 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)Well not American NOW style feminism. Shit, those gals love capitalism. They are totally complicit with it. They've read nothing, usually, except maybe pissy old Naomi Wolfe or Carol "Fuckhead" Gilligan - two so-called examples of women whose "research" is a joke, and whose sole priority seems to be "more money please" | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 12:11 PM |
| 2 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)THAT is a huge point. It's not necessarily the mother's fault, but the whole early dependence on one's mother is pretty terrifying. See Freud plus a thousand other thinkers... | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 12:01 PM |
| 1 | The “manosphere” is getting more toxic as angry men join the incelsWell just by way of trying to explain ...did a dreadful job. Have had some rude feedback! | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 11:55 AM |
| 2 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)Well you could always pretend .. make up another username? | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 08:49 AM |
| 2 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)Well you could always pretend .. make up another username? | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 08:49 AM |
| 2 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)Oh okay, sorry. Tbh am pretty low today - I am currently in a women's shelter - and I am posting stuff partly to take my mind off things. Btw the sub wasn't that "women only dating strategy" thing was it? It's hard to imagine how they police the "women only" policy... | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 08:42 AM |
| 2 | The “manosphere” is getting more toxic as angry men join the incelsPs tbh (I've not mentioned this on reddit before BECAUSE I suspect I'll get chucked or banned from Men's Rights) I have PhD and have published a feminist study of the writer Jean Rhys. I have also published papers on feminist issues. I mention this not to boast but to make a point: since I got this qualification at the age of 31, men have treated me like rubbish..UNLESS man in question has a PhD too, in which case he might be condescending instead of threatened. I am sure this has nothing to do … | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 08:37 AM |
| 2 | The “manosphere” is getting more toxic as angry men join the incelsHoly cow. I was NOT minimizing any sort of MRA issue when I posted that. Just trying to shed a little light on shit. And of course women check men out... Especially for a very young inexperienced woman aggressive male sexual attention can be frightening. I suppose it might be the same for very young men. But, you know ... stuff like being 18 and your own in a train compartment with drunken men saying "suck my dick" etc makes girls want to disappear, or cry, or both. | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 08:21 AM |
| 2 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)btw women making jokes about small dicks etc is "a thing", but contrary to the belief of many men, a small penis on its own is not going to mean women won't be interested. With women it is very much a question of "the package deal" (not just your package). The most important thing is charm and making it clear you think the woman is special and important. Like listening when she's speaking and not doing shit like ignoring her in favor of your friends or indulging in 72 hour gaming sessions. | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 07:57 AM |
| 2 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)Ps sorry if I have still got it wrong. | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 07:31 AM |
| 5 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)I see...sorry am a bit new to reddit as well as slightly tired...was thinking of sexist "male dating tips". Actually I don't think it's fair. Because it's not as if the (presumably) female persons posting on that sub are not allowed on this sub...they shouldn't ban you unless you' ve been abusive or something. | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 07:30 AM |
| 6 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)It's certainly toxic, but men do it too. Thanks for your fairness. | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 06:43 AM |
| 2 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)Actually you can't get banned for espousing feminism or I'd be banned too... | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 06:35 AM |
| 2 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)Hmm not sure I get it tbh. Banned for joining notoriously sexist sub and making the MRA thing look bad? Or just banned for trying to "spot sexism"? - and thus implicitly espousing feminism? | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 06:32 AM |
| 3 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)It's complicated I suppose. There's more than one type of "feminism" - not just American "Big Red " style feminism .. I think a lot of MRAs don't realise this. The short answer to your question is that so many MRAs are so utterly hostile to feminism and so suspicious of women's ethics that a lot of feminists just respond in kind. Then you get a to-and-fro between the MRA cause and the feminist cause that just attracts rage addicts. It's frustrating. I personally think feminism is righteous but h… | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 06:21 AM |
| 2 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)Re your banned post, I cannot seem to access it. Is this because it's banned, or maybe because I can only access old reddit on my old I-pad? Tbh I would be interested to know why you got banned. Can you send me a PM of your post please? | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 05:56 AM |
| 2 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)Okay, what's it called? | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 05:48 AM |
| 3 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)Sure | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 05:32 AM |
| 5 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)Well, thanks!!! Still a feminist though! | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 05:18 AM |
| 1 | The “manosphere” is getting more toxic as angry men join the incelsHey I don't know much about "incels" - but as as a feminist (albeit a "dissident" feminist) I do think women will sometimes use sexual power to dominate men. It is a very self-defeating thing for women to do, and sometimes dangerous. I suppose it happens because -especially when you're a young, heterosexual woman - you do have, potentially, tremendous sexual power ... so long as you don't actually have sex. I'm older now but when I was very young I remember feeling very nervous and self-consciou… | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 05:13 AM |
| 0 | The “manosphere” is getting more toxic as angry men join the incelsWell, I appreciate that. But women don't get angry for no reason either. I know many MRAs hold feminists accountable for practically every social evil, but it should be acknowledged that feminism didn't just come out of nowhere. There were, and are, problems women face - I don't just mean wage gap or that nonsense. More like the problem of being able to get around as a "real person", not as primarily a "woman", a "mother", a "wife", etc. It gets easier as you get older. I am in my 40s and while … | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 04:55 AM |
| 1 | When is the Washington Post going to retract Amber Heard OP Ed.I am intrigued ... so (since you mention war crime denial), is Amanda Heard/"endo-idealism like say, a neo-nazi who not only denied the Holocaust, but said that in fact six million "Aryans" were brutally murdered in Jewish camps? | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 02:26 AM |
| 1 | When is the Washington Post going to retract Amber Heard OP Ed.Well for poor folks it seems "democracy WILL die in darkness" since I just tried to read this infamous piece, but about two sentences in was bumped off because I can't afford a subscription to the Washington Post. I must say it did not begin promisingly. | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 02:12 AM |
| 1 | The Red Pill Documentary On Men's Rights, By A Former Feminist, Is Now Free With Ads On YoutubeNot in Australia either ... | /r/MensRights | 07/02/20 02:27 PM |
| 1 | "Men can't be raped" this man drugged over 130 men and filmed the incidentsOf course men get raped by other men all the time. I originally asked this question while corresponding about the problems women had in marriage, pre-reformed, in the past, both distant and quite recent. And people were assuring me that pre-reformed marriage was idyllic for women. Among other things I said: "yeah, but wives couldn't charge their husbands with rape" The reply was "husbands couldn't charge their wives with rape either". So I asked, verbatim, "please explain how an un- armed wife c… | /r/MensRights | 07/02/20 01:58 PM |
| 1 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppsorry, you are right methinks. my bad! | /r/MensRights | 07/02/20 10:42 AM |
| 1 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppyes, I have seen the Pill. Not for a while, admittedly. The main thing I remember was the way 'Big Red' and her pals from first year uni were represented as completely emblematic of "feminism", which is as direly rubbish an assumption as the crap talked by BR herself (not that "Fortune 500" bleat AGAIN..) Of course the unfortunate BR and co were obviously not as obnoxious as they were carefully edited to appear..but the film maker didn't have to go far, I am sure, to find more cerebral feminists… | /r/MensRights | 07/02/20 05:56 AM |
| 0 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppI knew it! I don't know much about martial arts except I do believe a "do no harm" or "use it ethically" is supposedly part of the philosophy. | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 03:25 PM |
| -1 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppWhat about the "evidence" of obvious bodily injuries? I suppose at the end of the day I worry that this "oh but women falsely accuse men all the time" notion is going to rebound really badly on women who are genuinely victimised. If it hasn't already. | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 03:15 PM |
| 1 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppYes. This is true. | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 02:48 PM |
| 1 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppWell why are you so loathe for men to face "consequences" (which they rarely do) for beating up women, if you are so objectively devoted to them? | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 02:48 PM |
| 0 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppSo you have "training". Do you have a knife collection? | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 02:46 PM |
| 1 | forget about amber heard and johnny depp"Always forcing consequences for our benefit"? Keyword is "force" I presume. | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 02:40 PM |
| 0 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppDon't be an assailant. You are quite right. Don't endanger a person's life. The question is: is your life in danger? | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 02:36 PM |
| 0 | forget about amber heard and johnny depp"How many men have been ruined because a woman is lying?" How many women are dead because a man has been violent? That said, thank you for at least having a brain and addressing my point properly. For what it's worth I loathe "metoo". It should be male-inclusive. American feminism IS pretty rock bottom right now. Very entitled without academic credentials. | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 02:26 PM |
| 1 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppYeah it works great if you want to stew in bitterness just because the obvious facts of life don't cater to your self-perception as a Victim. | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 02:22 PM |
| -1 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppSo you hate women. That's awful for you. "Try to hit me and I'll take your life"(?) Hell, are you like twelve years old? Or if you are an adult, how much time have done? | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 02:20 PM |
| -1 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppWho is "we"? Where are your sources (Murray Straus et al?) Erin Pizzey is a woman who originally felt it was wrong for the male children of women seeking shelter to be denied a place. Since then, in her old age, she's been hi-jacked by the worst sort of MRA. I actually do believe there's decent MRAs around and have corresponded with a couple. But I cannot stomach this cowardly insistence that men are disempowered every which way when even a child can see men have more physical power than women. … | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 02:15 PM |
| 0 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppSelf defense is when you need to safeguard your life, not your feelings of hurt or annoyance or "when will this bitch shut up" sort of stuff. If your life is at risk, defend away. Otherwise pull your punches. | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 02:08 PM |
| 0 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppI would not seek to downplay this if it were true. You've chucked a lot of stats at me- where are you getting them from? And why are you so callous about the inarguable statistical truth that the vast majority of IPV related homicide victims are women? That the seriously injured are, overwhelmingly, women? That for women to commit murder/suicide and familicide is "almost unheard of"? HOW can men shrug this off? It's wrong to shrug it off. It's dangerous to shrug it off. | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 01:56 PM |
| -2 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppYou are over-complicating my point. I insist, and I'll go to my grave insisting, that it's wrong for a man to hit a woman. Because he is (generally) bigger and stronger and more likely to cause her injury. Not to mention PAIN. Do any of you ever think how fucking agonizing it is to have someone beat the living shit out of you on a regular basis? It happened to me. My pleas for mercy and screams of pain were construed as actual aggression against him, entailing even more punishment. It's true. It… | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 12:36 PM |
| -2 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppDepp is a dick if you ask me. He's so up himself that he chucked a wobbly about Australian quarantine laws prohibiting from being able to bring his bloody pooches into Australia with him (we don't have rabies in Australia, which is why American born dogs must be quarantined). Depp expected to have these laws relaxed just because he's Depp. I dunno much about Heard but the little I've read suggests she's an a-class dickhead too. | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 12:29 PM |
| 0 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppWhat "files"? Are you a DV caseworker, or what's your particular social hygiene? I am not saying there's no violent women. I insist, however, that it's always wrong for a man to weaponise his body and use it to bash up a weaker woman who hasn't a hope of defending herself without a weapon. In my case, I was (not counting utterly unjustifiable beatings) choked or suffocated so many times that in the end I did assault my abuser with a heavy object I'd put in my room. He was warned, but he rushed a… | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 12:23 PM |
| 0 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppThere's no bloody lack of abusive men, MATE. Please don't insult my experience, nor the experiences of the many women I've met over the last six months, which I have spent alternately in hospital and in women's shelters...while the person who caused my injury plead guilty to a low-grade assault charge -and was told to behave himself for ten months. I was only a defacto wife, of course, so I suppose that merely makes him a woman batterer, not the mythical "wife beater". I am finally about to retu… | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 12:11 PM |
| 1 | forget about amber heard and johnny depp"Years of imprisonment"? It's well established that wife batterers get arrested but rarely are they imprisoned. And if you assault a woman that viciously, you ought to do some time, as well as a BIP. Gee I didn't realize I had all this power while I was getting the shit beaten out of me... | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 10:01 AM |
| 1 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppLook Amanda Heard - she's not Karla Holmolka, she's someone who has thrown pots and pans at Johnny Depp. She's admitted it. She's said it's ludicrous for Depp to claim to be a victim of DV. Actually it would seem that by the standards of Conflict Tactics Scale research -the research that produces the statistics that women are "more violent" than men, or at least instigate it more often- by THOSE standards her violence was in the "not serious" category. Actually I'd like to know more about the CO… | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 08:41 AM |
| -6 | forget about amber heard and johnny deppI suspect both of them are assholes, but what is the relevance for ordinary people? Zero. Stop buying into the "violence is gendered" your own selves! By this I mean it is hypocritical to tear your hair out and gnash yer teeth when feminists claim that wife-battering is symptomatic of "patriarchy", but then be trying to introduce this other "new" view, based on dodgy-as-hell stats like CTS style phone surveys, that "really", WOMEN are the true batterers. Or if you are going to mount such an argu… | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 06:34 AM |
| 2 | Of course, it's always the man's fault when a woman is violent.The problem is (speaking as a woman) that it's true that I instigated violence sometimes against my very violent ex. By "very violent", I am talking getting broken bones, and, towards the end, getting choked to the point of feeling like I was about to die. By the time things were that bad, I did not retaliate, but in the end I did defend myself with an implement because I was afraid of getting choked again... so the self defense thing certainly happens. It's not bullshit. When someone is so much… | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 04:20 AM |
| -19 | Abused man put in jail by abuser. Life destroyedThis is a sideshow freak show SHIT SHOW. Forget about Johnny and Amanda. They don't typify anything - both are uniquely overprivileged. MRAs have had their day with "women are the real abusers" routine. The tide is turning. | /r/MensRights | 03/02/20 03:26 PM |
| 1 | "Men can't be raped" this man drugged over 130 men and filmed the incidentsWhat do you mean by "more than half the problem"? That more than half the time women are the culprits? Please explain! | /r/MensRights | 03/02/20 03:15 PM |
| 1 | "Men can't be raped" this man drugged over 130 men and filmed the incidentsI dont think cops would sanction me visiting a man I'd had arrested and put in the lock-up for purposes of sexual penetration. I agree prevention would be better but DV has not been at all satisfactorily prevented so far. Both men and women are getting badly injured and killed every year in the thousands. However women are mainly the casualties. From some of your other comments/presumptions, I think it's clear you have a problem with women. | /r/MensRights | 03/02/20 11:11 AM |
| 1 | "Men can't be raped" this man drugged over 130 men and filmed the incidentsUnless I had a gun I can't imagine how I could force a man to unwillingly put his penis in my vagina by means of "violence" (if you will pardon my frankness). I don't endorse being "spat in the face and slapped around a little" (both have happened to me). It's degrading, horrible and made me feel like absolute shit. But it doesn't disrupt your life to the same extent as a broken arm or leg (I've had both of those too). I don't think prioritising lethal/sub lethal injuries caused by DV is "hairsp… | /r/MensRights | 03/02/20 07:45 AM |
| 1 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.I thought I'd put a few thoughts to you (if you don't mind) about my problem with MRAs claims for gender "symmetry" when it comes to lining up female violence against male violence against women. Questioning the gender symmetry theory does not amount to denying or minimising female violence against men. There's no question women can be violent and abusive in extremely destructive ways towards men. But their methods and motives are distinct to those we see when men are violent to women, especiall… | /r/MensRights | 02/02/20 07:02 AM |
| 1 | "Men can't be raped" this man drugged over 130 men and filmed the incidentsOkay fair enough that's a good answer... But assuming the man is not in a wheelchair, could he not push the woman off him? And unless he was asleep, how would she manage to get his penis inside her vagina unless he consented? It seems like I am being facetious: sorry about that. I acknowledge that many men and boys are sexually assaulted and there ought to be more public awareness. A man very close to me was viciously raped by several men he met at a party - they spiked his drink, abducted him t… | /r/MensRights | 02/02/20 06:37 AM |
| 1 | "Men can't be raped" this man drugged over 130 men and filmed the incidentsHow does it work, seriously? Obviously women can and do commit sex crimes:child sexual assault, harassment, etc. I imagine using psychological tactics like blackmail or threats to coerce a man into intercourse could happen. Recently I've been chatting on another thread about the history of marriage, and I mentioned that up until the 1980s husbands could not be prosecuted for raping wives. I was reminded that of course wives could also rape husbands with impunity. No-one has told me how it is pos… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/20 08:33 PM |
| -9 | "Men can't be raped" this man drugged over 130 men and filmed the incidentsWho said men can't get raped? Sorry to be a shitead but how does a woman rape a man (an adult man. And please don't send me quotes from the bible about Lot drunkenly boofing his daughters) | /r/MensRights | 01/02/20 08:53 AM |
| 0 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.Thanks for your reply. It seems you see feminism as a purely a hate-bigot discourse. I wonder have you actually read any feminist writing? I am hoping that your view of feminism is not, let's say, totally informed by MRA representations of feminism and nothing else at all. For example - you have probably seen the Red Pill. The emblematic feminist extraordinaire in the Red Pill is the infamous "Big Red". With her cutesy name, her hipster hair and funky spectacles ... she depressed me incredibly. … | /r/MensRights | 01/02/20 12:16 AM |
| 1 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.Re "if someone hits you, you always have an urge to hit back" Hey, speak for yourself. I did not usually "have an urge to hit back" with my violent ex when he (for example) backhanded me or slapped my face. Because if I did I'd end up getting bashed thoroughly. The times when I DID "hit him first" usually happened when he was doing something like spitting in my face or mimicking my voice or just being absolutely impossible (for example reducing me to tears and then claiming I was crying loudly o… | /r/MensRights | 31/01/20 05:01 PM |
| 1 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.I liked your reply and will address it at greater length when I have a chance. I will say one thing: my own extremely violent ex used MRA rhetoric not only to defend his violence but also as a pretext. One time he was repeatedly smashing my head into a wall while telling me that "only men got arrested". Eventually he put me in a wheelchair. He was arrested but did not go to gaol. So obviously I get a bit worked up about this for personal reasons. I want to get a male POV from here, but must it e… | /r/MensRights | 30/01/20 01:42 PM |
| 1 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.The vast majority of women do not go through their lives with experiencing violence. One in four experience sexual assault and one in three experience physical violence. You see, we are "people" too. | /r/MensRights | 30/01/20 01:29 PM |
| 1 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.Oh rubbish. For example, men are frequently arrested for spousal assault, but practically never go to gaol. Repeated arrests - rarely imprisonment. Look up the stats if you care... | /r/MensRights | 30/01/20 01:18 PM |
| 0 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.I just think y'all are deliberately insulating yourself against the truth. Which is that injurious assault and homicide in the home is overwhelmingly male-on-female. I know about Straus et al and that stats that are quoted. These are OLD by now, and even Straus admitted that his (usually) phone administered survey had no relevance to battering. I could go on but I imagine I'd just be howled down. But if you want to see the evidence against the so-called gender symmetry I can show it. | /r/MensRights | 30/01/20 01:06 PM |
| -3 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.I stopped reading your post halfway through. Sorry, but it's blazingly obvious that you've just turned your brain off because I admitted to being a feminist. Even though you affect to have dissected what I have said by cutting and pasting and "commenting", you're not addressing anything I say in any way. You should've just posted "Fuck off feminist" because that's all you have to say. It would've been less effort for you, and less embarrassing overall for everyone. Off I fuck. Enjoy your safe sp… | /r/MensRights | 26/01/20 01:04 PM |
| 1 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.Alright. Off I go. | /r/MensRights | 26/01/20 12:50 PM |
| 0 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.It's really refreshing to get a positive reply - thank you. I've been reading everything I can get my hands on about the Stats and frankly I am wildly confused. For example, you mention women are more likely to instigate violence. This seems feasible to me, at least in "common couple violence". Women may very well be more likely to instigate violence with a non-violent man because of the wider cultural acceptance of female to male violence, among other things. But then again - I read this recent… | /r/MensRights | 26/01/20 11:41 AM |
| -1 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.Actually I was simply and (I thought) quite humbly asking you if you wanted to describe your experience to me at all. I am sorry if I upset you. I honestly don't see how you could have thought I was making a joke about it! I was simply saying that if this topic could be discussed without making statements which seem (at least to me) to be claiming that men are the only true victims. What I said about women mostly receiving violence from men, not other women, is true, but this doesn't mean to say… | /r/MensRights | 26/01/20 10:42 AM |
| 2 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.Yeah, I am listening. You say it is "probably not constructive, or appropriate, to take whatever underlying problems are facing individuals and communities at higher risk and ignore them in favor of framing it as a gender issue". Can you be a little less oblique? I am not sure what you are saying here. I have read an explanation as to why women murder men much more often than women, and I'm fairly sure you've heard of it too. So I'll shut up about it. | /r/MensRights | 26/01/20 06:29 AM |
| -7 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.The only statistical fact I alluded to was that victims of HOMICIDE from IPV are overwhelmingly FEMALE. I am genuinely interested in your experience of IPV inflicted by a female perp if you care to share it. | /r/MensRights | 26/01/20 06:04 AM |
| -8 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.I am asking you to talk about it! But is it possible to talk about it without dismissing the massive problem that male violence is for women? Given that the majority of violence suffered by females is inflicted by males also. | /r/MensRights | 26/01/20 05:54 AM |
| -5 | What Mens Rights Movement isn’t. It is not a collection of sexually disenfranchised males looking for revenge on women. It is a movement attempting to change the growing legal disenfranchisement of your sons, fathers brothers and male friends.I am a feminist prepared to listen to MRAs speak out on some issues, but I must admit ( since you sound more open-minded than some!) that I am frustrated by the focus - at least on this sub- on feminism as "ipso facto" bad news, often at the expense of really urgent men's rights questions that I feel passionately about. A big example is the overweening focus on women as "just-as-bad-if-not-worse" as perpetrators of spousal violence and murder. Even as I write I am still in a wheelchair because o… | /r/MensRights | 26/01/20 02:53 AM |
| 1 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.Re: "men shouldered a number of financial obligations on entering marriage, of which the most profound was to provide for their wives and children. As The Laws Respecting Women stated: if "a woman cohabit with her husband, he is obliged to find her necessaries, as meat, drink, clothing, physic, [etc.] suitable to his rank and fortune. So if he runs away from her, or turns her away, or forces her by cruelty or ill-usage to go away from him." You are defending the situation I am criticising by quo… | /r/MensRights | 26/01/20 12:29 AM |
| 1 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.Sorry, I have not read your whole post in full, and would like to engage in this point by point refutation business, and probably will: as you've gathered I do like debating (!) - yet even after reading your first paragraph, I still feel that it's (frankly) maddening that you can't see the fallacy about exemption from punishment for debt, or exemption from tax, or exemption from responsibility per se is NOT a "right" or an entitlement that can be ticked off against the enshrined, across-the-boar… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 11:26 PM |
| 1 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.Re your first para: one thing that drives me nuts on this sub is using stats to draw ENORMOUS conclusions. You conclude that "there was slightly more than one complaint every two years" from wives to courts. I am about to look at the article again myself but don't you think that if you were writing for general readers this would be very devious usage of the material? You don't mention whether the study covers a village/town/major urban city/state/nation or what; you refer to 78 complaints - is t… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 08:38 PM |
| 2 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.Ps I am ignoring, of course, the implication that married women under coverture legislation could "commit crimes with total impunity". Plenty of married women got sentenced to draconian penalties for all manner of crimes. My own ancestor was a married Irishwoman sentenced to transportation to Australia for stealing some hens. | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 05:19 PM |
| 1 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.I'm bemused by your tenacity, but as its after 1am here right now I can't give your answer the thorough trouncing I suspect it deserves. However, just one thing about our entire correspondence that bothers me: the way you situate NOT being liable to get thrown in the slammer for wrongdoing as a "right". Eg your rhetorical white propertied male bribes his way into being able to "commit crimes with total impunity". This would be a meaningless privilege unless he actually ... wanted to commit crime… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 05:01 PM |
| -2 | Define feminism in twenty five words or lessdid ALL men fight in WW1? | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 03:56 PM |
| 1 | Define feminism in twenty five words or lessPs I haven't addressed the "feminism as hate-discourse" POV above because it doesn't seem to fit with the "feminism as entitlement" POV. | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 03:53 PM |
| 0 | Define feminism in twenty five words or lessTo be fair I guess the initial challenge was "25 words or less" but the idea of feminism as a movement/idea/"thing" that wants "rights without responsibilities" is common to many replies so far, although different words might be to express that idea - eg "demand for same rights or power (as men) while assuming said power was obtained because of 'privilege', not competence" (CuriousIncel2) or "confusing protection from ... consequence with oppression" (Loofah. or (Dunkolunko) "belief that grantin… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 03:45 PM |
| 1 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.I did read the article you refer to, but the only thing "crystal clear" is that husbands were legally obliged to support their wives, and that they often didn't, which in turn led to claims being made by wives in court. I am just wondering what happened if the husbands said "so what?". Were the husbands charged with any criminal or civil offence? Or were they just chased up and made to pay up by the government? Or both? Or neither? In other words I'm not denying that the law was that the husband… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 01:18 PM |
| 1 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.I did read the article you refer to, but the only thing "crystal clear" is that husbands were legally obliged to support their wives, and that they often didn't, which in turn led to claims being made by wives in court. I am just wondering what happened if the husbands said "so what?". Were the husbands charged with any criminal or civil offence? Or were they just chased up and made to pay up by the government? Or both? Or neither? In other words I'm not denying that the law was that the husband… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 01:18 PM |
| 2 | Define feminism in twenty five words or lessInteresting - I clicked your link and I see this quote is taken from the 19th century suffragette movement (is that how you spell suffragette?!?) | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 12:39 PM |
| 2 | Define feminism in twenty five words or lessActually glad you asked that because when MRAs refer to feminism I am often not sure if they mean an idea or set of ideas, or, on the other hand, if they are mainly referring to a movement. I get the impression, though, that overall when MRAs are speaking against feminism, they mean the mainstream Anglo-American movement since about 1970. | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 12:35 PM |
| 1 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.Re: "And yes, I'm being hyperbolic. But basing our understanding of history on what was interesting or unusual enough to make it into contemporaneous fiction is stupid." I am not suggesting that our understanding of history can be entirely based on fiction. But since time travel does not exist, how can you understand a by-gone era without engaging with its culture, including things like the "fictions" that culture produced? Your Netflix movie may have been far-fetched in terms of its plot, but I… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 08:23 AM |
| 1 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.No, my point is the unreformed marriage contract WAS extremely oppressive to women. I defy anyone, not just MRAs but anyone, to prove,otherwise. To use a favorite MRA strategy from this sub, what if sex roles were reversed so the following obtained Married men were regarded as legally identical to their wives and all husbands' interests were subordinated to that of the woman. Upon marrying, wives became the sole owners of all property that husbands had or ever would have. Married men could work … | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 07:24 AM |
| 0 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.No, my point is the unreformed marriage contract WAS extremely oppressive to women. I defy anyone, not just MRAs but anyone, to prove,otherwise. To use a favorite MRA strategy from this sub, what if sex roles were reversed so the following obtained Married men were regarded as legally identical to their wives and all husbands' interests were subordinated to that of the woman. Upon marrying, wives became the sole owners of all property that husbands had or ever would have. Married men could work … | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 04:45 AM |
| 1 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.Being allowed to shop on behalf of your husband was not an entitlement but a privilege he could withdraw any time. | /r/MensRights | 24/01/20 03:00 PM |
| 0 | So this is very scary- feminists in the UK are campaigning to have women who murder men released from prison. And it's working.I am sorry you've had such horrible experiences. I've personally known many women - even my friends - who bully their husbands incessantly and I think it is disgraceful. I agree that if you had killed your wife after years of atrocious treatment, the "coercive control" defense that is emerging might not be as available to you, because of your gender, and this would be unfair. Re the Challen case: she was not released from jail because of a battered woman's defense, or the "coercive control" defe… | /r/MensRights | 23/01/20 10:14 AM |
| -37 | So this is very scary- feminists in the UK are campaigning to have women who murder men released from prison. And it's working.Challen's husband had raped her as well. She also supported the family after going back to work, while he spent all of his earnings on flashy cars for himself and hobbies (including brothels) Her son supported the overturning of his mother's sentence. All the same a man is dead. | /r/MensRights | 21/01/20 11:49 AM |
| -3 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.PS Whence comes this magnificent idea that men were "obligated under law to manage and administer the income in a way that benefitted the family?" Citation please! I think men were allowed to do what they bloody well liked with the money, legally speaking. Their own money and everyone else's. The tragedy of the alcoholic man whose family starves is a staple theme of many novels from this era. I've not read much legal history but quite a few novels - and pooh-pooh fiction as you may, it's still f… | /r/MensRights | 20/01/20 02:59 PM |
| -1 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.Sorry "your ultimate point" not "you're ..." | /r/MensRights | 20/01/20 02:44 PM |
| 0 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.So you're ultimate point is that the unreformed marriage contract really always favoured women because when marriage reforms were made on behalf of women, they favoured women? | /r/MensRights | 20/01/20 02:30 PM |
| -5 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.This is a fascinating topic and I am glad you brought it up again. For people who have not heard of "coverture", it relates to the era, 19th century and before, when women gave up most of their civil rights upon marriage, including the right to own property or even retain their own wages, if they earned any. Re "no taxes were owe-able in her name, so she was never held liable if the taxes were not paid" How can you pay tax on anything when you don't have the right to own anything, including your… | /r/MensRights | 20/01/20 11:31 AM |
| 2 | Absolutely disgusting. Refinery29 did a piece featured on Snapchat of a facial treatment from baby foreskin cells for women to appear more youthful.That is revolting | /r/MensRights | 20/01/20 07:29 AM |
| 0 | A new social order is emerging, and it may include the cultural extinction of feminismLmao @ "committing suicide in a clown suit". I am a Western woman. I actually call myself a feminist. And yet in some ways I feel I am a lot less entitled than most other Western women I know who don't relate to "feminism"'at all. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/20 07:06 AM |
| 1 | She slaps him. He shoves her. She breaks her shoulder. Please share how you would feel if you were him?Look, it's not rocket science. All I am saying is that if you are attacked by a person who is a lot smaller than you and can't fight for toffee you shouldn't retaliate. For eg: I weigh 110 pounds and am 5 ft 3. If a child who weighs 60 pounds and is four foot tall "attacks" me while having a tantrum, will I retaliate in kind? Of course not. Why not? Because I could hurt the child. If I shoved a child and that child broke a bone, I'd also be in criminal trouble, plus I would feel like a piece of … | /r/MensRights | 20/01/20 06:58 AM |
| 1 | A new social order is emerging, and it may include the cultural extinction of feminismIn a roundabout sort of way, you seem to be saying gaming is an alternative male culture ... which we may not like (because the games young men tend to be about "shooting" pretend people in huge numbers?) I've seen a couple of not-so-young men so into gaming that it overrides pretty much everything. I think "failure to launch" is an increasing problem for young men and while it's not games on their own that are to blame, it's possibly true that more and more young men prefer to stay in their bed… | /r/MensRights | 20/01/20 05:17 AM |
| 1 | She slaps him. He shoves her. She breaks her shoulder. Please share how you would feel if you were him?I guess I posted my original comment because a lot of guys on this sub are so blasé about "hitting back" and how they shouldn't be legally culpable. My point was that if you are significantly bigger and stronger than your girlfriend/wife, even just a shove might cause significant injury for her, and possibly a very serious criminal charge for you. Unless he has reason to fear for his life (eg she is armed) it's not "self defense' for a man to hit a woman. It is potentially extremely self-defeati… | /r/MensRights | 20/01/20 03:35 AM |
| 1 | Its 2020, if a woman hits a man we should be able to hit them back, its self defence.There is no analogy between your partner slapping your face, and someone breaking into your house. In the latter case you have absolutely no idea who they are or what they mean to do, but you know your partner well enough to assess how dangerous they are (eg do they have a weapon?) and whether you ought to defend yourself. | /r/MensRights | 19/01/20 03:14 AM |
| 1 | She slaps him. He shoves her. She breaks her shoulder. Please share how you would feel if you were him?Well, by "annoying furniture" I meant some object that you habitually keep banging your shins into or stubbing your toe on but can't shift to another spot...something that gets in the way. But that's beside the point...I don't think anyone should be blamed for ending up in an "abusive" relationship, and it's especially unfair to theorise that people who do are probably so used to "abuse", or even "abusive" themselves, that they don't pick up on bad vibes... | /r/MensRights | 19/01/20 03:08 AM |
| 1 | Can anyone recommend a good MRA doco about feminism other than you tubePS I meant a doco that CAN be watched on YouTube since my iPad will not usually stream anything except YouTube. | /r/MensRights | 17/01/20 02:30 PM |
| 1 | Its 2020, if a woman hits a man we should be able to hit them back, its self defence.Eh get ta fuck | /r/MensRights | 17/01/20 10:36 AM |
| 0 | Its 2020, if a woman hits a man we should be able to hit them back, its self defence.I assume you are taking the piss but if you are not - how do you justify having a go at an unarmed person with a WEAPON? | /r/MensRights | 17/01/20 06:43 AM |
| 3 | Its 2020, if a woman hits a man we should be able to hit them back, its self defence.No, it wasn't "justified" - that was my whole point. I never pretended that reciprocating my man's violence was "self defense" if it was a question of slapping faces. It was retaliatory. I had not a hope in hell of defending myself against him in unarmed "mutual combat', since he was ten inches taller than men and 100 pounds heavier. I will not generalize by saying women always smaller, weaker and clueless about the way men fight. I think it's reasonable to say, however, that there's nothing "mu… | /r/MensRights | 17/01/20 05:45 AM |
| 3 | Its 2020, if a woman hits a man we should be able to hit them back, its self defence."Self defense" is not hitting someone just because they hit you. That's retaliation. My ex-partner was extremely violent. Sometimes I would slap his face because he'd slapped mine. But I didn't glorify it as "self defense". | /r/MensRights | 17/01/20 01:24 AM |
| 1 | Women's sheltersOh and I forgot - the 8 pm curfew | /r/MensRights | 16/01/20 10:46 PM |
| 1 | Feminist Academic Fraud and AbuseSome of these articles actually appear to challenging the notion that "violence is gender neutral" rather convincingly. So how do they support the "feminist fraud" argument? | /r/MensRights | 16/01/20 08:47 PM |
| 1 | Had Epiphany about FeminismActually women and children worked alongside men in mines. See Germinal by Emile Zola. Also this notion that women only got "easy" jobs because they weren't as physically strong is fallacious. 12 hours a day standing still in a sausage factory making 120 links in sausage meat per minute doesn't require huge muscles. But it's not "easy". | /r/MensRights | 16/01/20 08:12 PM |
| 1 | Had Epiphany about FeminismI have read most of the links you provided - thank you for that. Overall I found them erudite and balanced - in particular the article by Joanne Bailey, which focused on how women negotiated a modicum of financial independence despite the prohibitions against wives being propertied - in particular the law of agency. However I'm not persuaded that this law can be seen as ameliorating women's loss of property and personal autonomy. The texts you cited give a picture of husbands who did not abuse t… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/20 05:53 PM |
| 1 | Had Epiphany about FeminismI have read most of the links you provided - thank you for that. Overall I found them erudite and balanced - in particular the article by Joanne Bailey, which focused on how women negotiated a modicum of financial independence despite the prohibitions against wives being propertied - in particular the law of agency. However I'm not persuaded that this law can be seen as ameliorating women's loss of property and personal autonomy. The texts you cited give a picture of husbands who did not abuse t… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/20 05:53 PM |
| -3 | Had Epiphany about Feminismokay. Pulling carts of coal around on all fours when you are pregnant is a cushier job I guess. What man would consent to do such work? And did they pay children less because children were weaker still, and if so, was that fair? Anyway the overall point I was making was that it's fanciful to suggest that when a woman married and lost her right to property, the pay off was that she got a free meal ticket for the rest of her life. Working class women were not "ladies". Upper class women were conve… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/20 02:56 PM |
| 1 | Had Epiphany about FeminismRe saying you only used anti-feminist websites etc ... Oops my mistake. The post right below yours had the anti-feminist websites, but also Bible citations, so I got them confused. Sorry about that. Am doing this on a phone and having to scroll to read makes it tricky. I'm very interested in continuing the discussion, but want to read your links first. | /r/MensRights | 15/01/20 01:08 PM |
| 0 | Had Epiphany about FeminismOf course men would be oppressed if they had fewer freedoms than women. You are being a bit vague though. I don't see how anyone can deny that women have been oppressed historically. You may believe that modern women are overprivileged. This seems to be almost the sole focus of MRA - the idea that women are overly entitled, or abuse the entitlements they have. That and the idea that "feminism" is totally evil, like racism. | /r/MensRights | 15/01/20 12:05 PM |
| -3 | Had Epiphany about FeminismI can't help but notice you are supporting your argument with texts from anti-feminist websites or MR websites plus the Bible. All the same I will read your links and give a more considered reply when I can. I couldn't help but notice in many places you were assuming a lot - eg that "women used their money as if it were completely their own"'- I am sure that happened a lot but the woman was still at the mercy of the man's good graces. A man was responsible for wife's debts? How were wives suppos… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/20 11:42 AM |
| 0 | Had Epiphany about FeminismPretty shit, probably. Still (at least post-feudal) they were free | /r/MensRights | 15/01/20 10:18 AM |
| 1 | Had Epiphany about FeminismAll this stuff about "feminist psychology" and "feminist thought - does anyone on this sub ever give an example of which feminist/s or which type of feminism they mean? | /r/MensRights | 15/01/20 08:29 AM |
| -12 | Had Epiphany about FeminismIn pre-modern times most women were subordinate to men for their whole life. They went from father to husband. Once married, they were perpetually pregnant/breastfeeding. Women were nearly always kept illiterate. They were legally subordinate to their husbands. In English law it was legal to beat and rape your wife, and illegal for your wife to abuse or "scold" you. You also owned all her property in perpetuity and if she left you she had no claim on the children. I sense some MRAs are nostalgic… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/20 08:09 AM |
| 1 | Activists placed hundreds of painted-red women’s shoes on Mexico City’s main square Saturday to call attention to gender-based violence [per day 83 males get killed, 10 females - but women are most effected !]It's a shame more people are taking up your point about how men are overwhelmingly the victims of homicide outside the home, instead ONLY hammering these women for wanting to remember those victims of "male violence". I assume by "male violence" that the demostration was chiefly about women who have been killed in domestic violence situation? Or was in about female victims of random murder only? If the latter is true I can definitely understand your concern that murdered men were not also rememb… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/20 06:35 AM |
| 1 | She slaps him. He shoves her. She breaks her shoulder. Please share how you would feel if you were him?Why bother, in that case, posting anything at all? People say "it couldn't happen to me - I'm too together". But you don't see it coming. You could meet a terrific person tomorrow, fall in love, she's on her best behavior - then something happens. But you're in love! Are you really going to give her marching orders right away? It can happen to ANYONE | /r/MensRights | 14/01/20 02:23 AM |
| 1 | Feminist Academic Fraud and AbusePs I will add, as a side note, that IMO I think MRAs need to give much more attention to random violence as a menace to men. Fair enough to engage with women as IPV perps, but everything I'Ve read points to fact that men are way more likely to be seriously injured or killed in random violence than women, and you guys really don't make enough of the fact that out of ALL violent deaths worldwide 77 percent are men. The fact that most perps of random street violence are also male is in no way a stu… | /r/MensRights | 14/01/20 01:10 AM |
| 1 | Feminist Academic Fraud and AbuseThanks so much for all these links. I am in fact a "feminist academic" and have been frustrated by the blizzard of data on IPV. One thing that I've concluded is that IPV is very complicated indeed. I do think it's a gendered issue - but not in the sense that only men are guilty. Rather women do it too, but I do believe their ways of being violent are different, as well as their motives. There's also the point that violence between couples still together seems very different from violence between… | /r/MensRights | 14/01/20 12:52 AM |
| 2 | Feminist Academic Fraud and AbuseThanks so much for all these links. I am in fact a "feminist academic" and have been frustrated by the blizzard of data on IPV. One thing that I've concluded is that IPV is very complicated indeed. I do think it's a gendered issue - but not in the sense that only men are guilty. Rather women do it too, but I do believe their ways of being violent are different, as well as their motives. There's also the point that violence between couples still together seems very different from violence between… | /r/MensRights | 14/01/20 12:52 AM |
| 0 | She slaps him. He shoves her. She breaks her shoulder. Please share how you would feel if you were him?One thing I feel really bad about is afterwards, when I was home from hospital, I'd feel really angry with him and a couple of times I told him to leave or else I would have him charged after all. He told me afterwards that one time he didn't know where he could go for the night and ended up crying in public | /r/MensRights | 14/01/20 12:34 AM |
| 0 | She slaps him. He shoves her. She breaks her shoulder. Please share how you would feel if you were him?Actually I do believe he felt that way too. But it didn't end the shoving behaviours. | /r/MensRights | 14/01/20 12:30 AM |
| 1 | She slaps him. He shoves her. She breaks her shoulder. Please share how you would feel if you were him?Yeah THANK YOU That incident was first time he ever hit me. It was very weird indeed. He was really drunk and didn't seem to know who I was. He kept calling me by his ex-girlfriends name. | /r/MensRights | 14/01/20 12:28 AM |
| 1 | She slaps him. He shoves her. She breaks her shoulder. Please share how you would feel if you were him?I didn't go into all the gory details cos unlike most guys in this forum am not into righteously listing all my injuries plus even though he's an asshole it's still his story too and TMI. And my post HAS got the response I hoped for in many ways. | /r/MensRights | 14/01/20 12:24 AM |
| 1 | She slaps him. He shoves her. She breaks her shoulder. Please share how you would feel if you were him?So you totally think he was entitled to his actions? | /r/MensRights | 13/01/20 06:18 PM |
| 0 | She slaps him. He shoves her. She breaks her shoulder. Please share how you would feel if you were him?What would you do if your girlfriend spat in your face? | /r/MensRights | 13/01/20 06:08 PM |
| 2 | She slaps him. He shoves her. She breaks her shoulder. Please share how you would feel if you were him?I'd explain more but going on the general reaction, you'd probably just say I was making excuses, or worse, gloat over my whole situation. I really want to find out how much I ought to blame myself for what's happened to me, which is why I've been on this subreddit. A lot of the attitudes expressed here were his. Once while he was smashing my head into a wall he was actually berating me and women in general for being the truly violent individuals, and hissing at me about how cops only believe wo… | /r/MensRights | 13/01/20 06:05 PM |
| 0 | She slaps him. He shoves her. She breaks her shoulder. Please share how you would feel if you were him?Actually he did backhand me and knock my jaw out, more than once. Among other things. Hope you're pleased to know that as I write this I'm lying in hospital, where I've been on and off for 6 months, after his last "valuable lesson", which almost killed me. Bye bye Poncho! | /r/MensRights | 13/01/20 05:54 PM |
| 2 | She slaps him. He shoves her. She breaks her shoulder. Please share how you would feel if you were him?Hear hear - I've learned violence never solves anything or satisfies a grievance. And "reciprocal violence" or so-called "mutual combat" is a very dangerous game to play. Couples who do that might think "its just our way" or "we're both hotheads but we love each other". This was how our violent fights appeared at first, but over time he started truly bullying me - like insisting on looking at all my texts messages or reading diaries. He didn't have to get violent with me to do this, or even thre… | /r/MensRights | 13/01/20 01:40 PM |
| 3 | She slaps him. He shoves her. She breaks her shoulder. Please share how you would feel if you were him?By "practically an accident" I meant if he hadn't shoved I wouldn't have broken my arm, but at the same I don't think he meant for me to end up on the floor. He'd shoved me a couple of times before and nothing bad happened, and at first I didn't make a big thing of it. I DID resent being shoved almost on a routine basis-it felt degrading. My ex husband (different guy) used to shove me and kick me almost casually, the same way as you shove or kick a piece furniture that's annoying. | /r/MensRights | 13/01/20 01:17 PM |
| 1 | She slaps him. He shoves her. She breaks her shoulder. Please share how you would feel if you were him?All of my violence was about trying to reclaim a bit of dignity, or trying to show him I wasn't so abject that I'd put up with anything. Eg he used to spit in my face all the time. He knew it really distressed me and he'd do in a calculated way, to cause pain.Or so I felt. A couple of times I slapped because of that. | /r/MensRights | 13/01/20 01:07 PM |
| 2 | Men should never defend themselves against violent women. Also, real men are feminists.Yeah. Like she'd be kicking me, hitting me over the head, screaming the most abusive, disrespectful and manipulative shit at me for hours on end sometimes, and I never once retaliated. One time she nearly got us both killed on the freeway by yelling about how bad my driving was -crazy bitch poked my eye so hard I had to brake and we got rear ended. I'd had enough and told her to get her ass out the car. She refused and started screaming and crying like it was my fault. But just because I'm her M… | /r/MensRights | 13/01/20 09:04 AM |
| 2 | Stranger violence:why aren't MRAs more vocal?As a woman I have profound sympathy for men who are victims of violence and disgusted that police are not better trained to deal with men who are assaulted/raped by strangers. It's totally minimised. In particular men who are raped by other men are so ashamed and silenced. There really needs to be some serious activism to "take back the night" for men! | /r/MensRights | 13/01/20 02:20 AM |
| 1 | Stranger violence:why aren't MRAs more vocal?Not all women expect men to stick their neck out in the way you mean. And anyway, you are diverting the discourse back to blaming/rubbishing women instead of looking at a much more significant threat to your life and health - the violent man/men on the street. According to the WHO 77 percent of violent deaths are men. Almost all of the. are getting killed by other men, not their wives! | /r/MensRights | 13/01/20 02:15 AM |
| 0 | Men were told women don't need our traditional role of protector, now this article wants men to be protectors by taking a stand against Human Sex Trafficking: Milwaukee campaign against human trafficking goes global. (long title for mod approval)I'm a woman and: a. think it's awesome when men offer to walk me to my car at night, or help me with heavy luggage (if that's what you mean by "protective"). b. think it's awesome if men organize AS men to stop sex trafficking. It shows that not all guys are callous or dismissive about abuses in the sex industry, contrary to feminist claims. I don't quite see the connection between a. and b. ? | /r/MensRights | 12/01/20 11:51 PM |
| -1 | Men were told women don't need our traditional role of protector, now this article wants men to be protectors by taking a stand against Human Sex Trafficking: Milwaukee campaign against human trafficking goes global. (long title for mod approval)I'm a woman and: a. think it's awesome when men offer to walk me to my car at night, or help me with heavy luggage (if that's what you mean by "protective"). b. think it's awesome if men organize AS men to stop sex trafficking. It shows that not all guys are callous or dismissive about abuses in the sex industry, contrary to feminist claims. I don't quite see the connection between a. and b. ? | /r/MensRights | 12/01/20 11:51 PM |
| 1 | unpopular opinion: men should have more of a say when having a child.It's a fact that condoms, used correctly, will prevent pregnancy almost as well as the pill. Men need to assume the same level of responsibility as women. A surprise pregnancy for a woman will, one way or another, turn her life upside down. But she didn't get that way on her own! As for"manipulation " if in doubt, men, put a rubber on! | /r/MensRights | 12/10/19 05:13 AM |
| 1 | My Tumblr blog post about feminist hypocrisy concerning rape culture.The issue here isn't really rape but competing for a moral high ground with a dated "left wing" vs "right wing thing - that is, we are the Leftists versus those who say Hang on we are the angry Right wing....and women play lefties and the men play "surprisingly oppressed" righties | /r/MensRights | 20/04/19 05:51 PM |
| 1 | Does he need to own it?No because what you say implies that humans with Y chromosomes have absolutely no self control and follow every impulse. So, like, don't hit a man because he'll always hit you back and hurt you worse | /r/MensRights | 20/04/19 01:45 AM |
| 1 | Does he need to own it?You don't. But it ain't simple as you say | /r/MensRights | 20/04/19 01:42 AM |
| 1 | Recommend me a book on men's issues or men's rights?Well I re-visited him. The thing that influences my take on things is , yes, that "dated" Marxist thing a lot of feminists go with... So with Farrel (Farell? Sorry sloppy spelling, in hospital right now). Anyway, he makes some telling points but can't admit that perhaps in fact it's capitalism that wrecks our lives, not gender. For eg: "failure to launch" - when young men just close the bedroom door on the whole deal. Farrell seems to think think this is because these young men cop bad schooling… | /r/MensRights | 20/04/19 01:40 AM |
| -3 | Doris Lessing: Let's never forget one famous feminist who finally decided to speak out against misandry.Ps women who don't have BPD are psychopaths who only want money from men. They fake everything much better than even us BPDs | /r/MensRights | 20/04/19 01:11 AM |
| -5 | Doris Lessing: Let's never forget one famous feminist who finally decided to speak out against misandry.Look it's simple. Like all men you are at best a narcissist, at worse a psychopath. Like most women who are good in bed but otherwise a drag, I have borderline personality disorder. | /r/MensRights | 20/04/19 01:09 AM |
| 1 | Recommend me a book on men's issues or men's rights?Will check him out | /r/MensRights | 19/04/19 08:21 PM |
| 1 | Does he need to own it?No because you are saying don't count on Y chromosomes to think twice. Hit em and they'll hit you back with pleasure | /r/MensRights | 19/04/19 08:13 PM |
| 1 | Doris Lessing: Let's never forget one famous feminist who finally decided to speak out against misandry.Oh come on that all sounds so clinical. Men are "worth your time in regards to romance"? Are they really? And the Menz Movement made you WANT to be with exemplary Men? | /r/MensRights | 19/04/19 08:10 PM |
| 3 | Doris Lessing: Let's never forget one famous feminist who finally decided to speak out against misandry.Not all men | /r/MensRights | 19/04/19 08:06 PM |
| 0 | Does he need to own it?Ya know, your comment ain't exactly a great ad for "y" chromosomes | /r/MensRights | 19/04/19 07:02 PM |
| 1 | Does he need to own it?90 kilos, 6 foot two, versus me who is five foot four and 50 kilos | /r/MensRights | 19/04/19 02:06 PM |
| 1 | Does he need to own it?Either in love or to simply remove her from the room. I weigh maybe 50-52 kilos (110 pounds). He weighs about 90. Would I hit someone almost half my size? Would I strike a child of 25 kilos just because she got in my face? | /r/MensRights | 19/04/19 02:04 PM |
| 1 | Does he need to own it?Does it not befit a man to take the woman whose slapped his face into his arms? | /r/MensRights | 19/04/19 02:01 PM |
| 3 | Doris Lessing: Let's never forget one famous feminist who finally decided to speak out against misandry.Doris Lessing said an ok thing here- but in general she's an asshole. I really don't know why I own so many of her books. Probably symptomatic of my borderline personality disorder | /r/MensRights | 19/04/19 11:59 AM |
| 1 | Recommend me a book on men's issues or men's rights?I've researched this myself. I can't find anything decent. Most men's rights books set up straw (wo)men arguments about feminism-ie make ill-informed claims about what "feminists" want - as if all feminists are the same. Can't find one modern book on Men's Rights that has any rigour. Try Sex and Character by Otto Weininger. Dripping with misogyny but at least tells it like it is. | /r/MensRights | 19/04/19 11:38 AM |
| 1 | Does he need to own it?I think all this stuff happens when we are both off our faces. I love this man , although it probably won't last (I am 46 y/o woman and he's only 37...one day he'll meet someone younger, he's got a right to have kids! But all that aside there's something real and lovely between us - I feel like I am at home with him. Really at home. We have both had much sadness, and have both been victims of cruelty from other people. It's horrifying when we get slaughtered and start to lay into each other- bec… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/19 07:27 AM |
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