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| – | Men have to build their assets, but women are born with them.This is a complete red herring to what this thread is about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 06:33 AM |
| – | Men have to build their assets, but women are born with them.You aren't factoring in women's biological clock and maternal nature. "Career Opportunities" from 1991 is about teens in the modern world. Fast forward ten years when Josie's biological clock is ticking and everything changes. There is often a glass ceiling against women which kicks in later life far after the teen years which the movie is about. What I am saying is that we both can be right here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 06:01 AM |
| – | Men have to build their assets, but women are born with them.Check out the movie "Career Opportunities" (1991) through the worldview you just described. Josie and Jim have essentially the same backgrounds and lack of skills. Josie is given automatic royal status because of her looks while Jim has to work his way up from the bottom as a lowly average man. 😂 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/26 05:46 AM |
| -1 | "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" is about a super pushy spoiled woman.I don't hate entitlement, and I don't want anyone not to sing the song. I have no problem with anyone putting any conditions on dating, but I think some are excessive to me personally in terms of what I can personally take. I mean, I would probably cancel the date described in that song with all those red flags. I posted this thread to point out a historical fact about what this song is about just to give people a chance to notice the red flags and consider them. | /r/MensRights | 19/07/26 04:23 PM |
| 1 | "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" is about a super pushy spoiled woman.The demanding and selfish nature of Katie Casey is incredible. Her boyfriend offered a date to a show which is usually nicer than a baseball game. She impolitely refuses that and demands to go to a baseball game whether he likes it or not. She has no concern for his opinion. She also demands peanuts and Cracker Jack which shows how spoiled she was to expect exactly what she wanted at the snap of her fingers. It doesn't matter what the demands are, it's the attitude behind the demands. She also m… | /r/MensRights | 19/07/26 08:59 AM |
| 4 | "Our main purpose is to have children." How do you respond to that?While yes as a species our goal is to propagate You stated that as a fact. Can you prove it's true? I believe the drive to procreate is forced on us at puberty, and very few people would choose that on their own if it wasn't forced on them. How can you call such a thing a goal? In my mind, procreating is a goal for most people like handing over your money during an armed robbery to stay alive is a goal. | /r/MGTOW2 | 14/07/21 07:38 AM |
| 2 | Being an alpha male is not good for MGTOW.Do you have source for that claim? | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/06/21 03:44 AM |
| 3 | Being an alpha male is not good for MGTOW.Being alpha means you’re fucking a lot of women. Which means increased chance of pregnancy. Is that the rationale? First, that's not necessarily true. Plenty of alpha males can't get dates because they aren't attractive. Second, what MGTOW is looking for an "increased chance of pregnancy"? I have never heard of that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/06/21 02:58 AM |
| 2 | Being an alpha male is not good for MGTOW.This thread is aimed at people who think you have to be an alpha male to be a true MGTOW, and I am arguing against that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/06/21 12:08 AM |
| 1 | Being an alpha male is not good for MGTOW.Congresspeople answer to their constituents in the US at least, and you left them out of the hierarchy. My point is that someone like Al Green is even free from the burden of the elections because he's so popular among his constituents. | /r/MGTOW2 | 25/06/21 12:05 AM |
| 1 | Being an alpha male is not good for MGTOW.Does that mean a congressperson has the best chance at freedom in that hierarchy (not including shareholders)? If it's someone like Al Green who will get reelected basically regardless of what he does, I think so. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/06/21 11:54 PM |
| 2 | "Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another."Because happy at the moment men is not taling about AWATS. The time is always right to speak the truth. That has nothing to do with one's personal situation. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/06/21 10:59 AM |
| 1 | "Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another."Another frustrated guy venting. I am not frustrated. What is your evidence that Mencken was frustrated? He got married at 49, and stayed with his wife until she died. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/06/21 10:05 AM |
| 3 | Charles Barkley quitting ‘Inside the NBA’ at 60, blames cancel culture: ‘Can’t have fun nowadays’The point is that nobody used to care. The woke are taking over. That's the problem. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/06/21 01:13 PM |
| 16 | Even Polyamorous Relationships are No SolutionWhat do you mean by "even"? A polyamorous relationship makes a man a cuck by definition. That's worse than marriage in my opinion. At least in marriage it's possible for a man to keep his dignity. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/06/21 06:22 AM |
| 8 | Charles Barkley quitting ‘Inside the NBA’ at 60, blames cancel culture: ‘Can’t have fun nowadays’Because he said people are trying to get people fired over unwoke comments. He just secured his job until he wants to retire by being proactive. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/06/21 04:37 AM |
| 1 | Society is getting scary.They see their shadow, and they embrace her. They don't know if that's just their imagination and neither do you. Everything you wrote is just an unprovable and unfalsifiable theory, so why are you even wasting your time studying it or repeating it? | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 04:19 PM |
| 1 | Society is getting scary.I will repeat the summary of the music video from the original post. BANKS keeps calling herself the Devil. She lures some poor man into a trap, entrapped him in a tiny box, and spits on the box showing personal contempt. Only ruin, pain, and agony will come from that mentality. if you want to rationalize it, that's just fine. I cannot believe that any man would do anything but run from a woman who thinks that stuff is acceptable in any context. Yes, even role play. There are certain things that… | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 11:03 AM |
| 1 | Society is getting scary.It has 186,645 views in about two days now. That's not the point. Just read the replies in this thread. Glorifying evil in pop culture is becoming an increasingly big problem. I want to see signs the dam is breaking as soon as possible because knowledge is power. It's better to be overly safe than sorry. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/06/21 03:46 AM |
| 4 | Society is getting scary.Something I have thinking about recently is how much better women seemed in terms of relationships before the Internet and Internet dating ruined everything. Women used to be so much more kind and supportive toward men they liked because before the Internet they had to have a good personality to be considered attractive as a rule. Good looks were not enough on the dating scene to attract good people before the Internet. That all changed with dating sites where it's all about looks for women, so … | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/06/21 05:59 AM |
| 0 | Society is getting scary.Go watch old shows and look at the lyrics. We can't debate if you won't support your conclusions with evidence. This is not evidence because your interpretation of those things could be wrong. Music is music, you are saying that if consumed by people who consume pop it is bad but if consumed by people who listen to HM it is ok. ummmm - no! You haven't proven that Black Sabbath glorified evil at all. The only way you could prove your point is to find some actual Satanic music from some previous e… | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/06/21 05:42 AM |
| 4 | Society is getting scary.Go watch Ozzy and Black Sabatth from the 70s - this has been around for a long time it isnt new. First, how did they glorify evil? Second, comparing heavy metal to pop music is disingenuous at best. Third, there has been music that glorifies Satanism and related things. Can you show me that in pop music by a female? I think this is a new phenomenon. Keep focused on yourself as you cant changed others or society. If you lose awareness of your surroundings, then it doesn't matter how great or stro… | /r/MGTOW2 | 19/06/21 05:19 AM |
| 2 | Does the survival of the fittest theory apply to humans?"Fittest" has nothing to do with the individual making the best choice for themselves with regards to happiness. Choosing against slavery isn't necessarily about happiness. It gives you a better chance for survival because you have more options. As an analogy, other things being equal, does someone who has to carry around a huge metal ball all time have a better chance at survival than someone who has nothing to carry around? I don't know why you brought happiness into this discussion because I … | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/06/21 05:20 AM |
| 5 | It took me 25 years to understand that Mario from the Nintendo franchise was the ultimate simp (White Knight).Every hard rock band I can think of had blue pill simp songs when I was growing up. Van Halen, Guns N Roses, Aerosmith, Motley Crue, AC/DC, etc. I will give Metallica credit for never going there as far as I know, but they were heavy metal. What about the effect that has on young people? | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/06/21 10:53 AM |
| 4 | Bluepillers can't tell the difference between a decent woman and a whoreThis is why we MGTOW. Not me. I realized the following quote from War of the Roses is true for all romance for me. It's a losing game all the way around. There is no winning! Only degrees of losing! | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/06/21 09:50 AM |
| 1 | "I know you ain't used to a female Alpha" - Dua LipaI don’t even understand where you’re getting the idea that she’s singing about being the alpha in a relationship. I took the song as being written to a man who is obsessed with her, and her telling the man that he can't handle her and one reason is because she's a female alpha. I can see the song as being about her music and not romance too now that you mention it. It doesn't matter if "Future Nostalgia" is about romance. If you're alpha, there's no off switch. If you're alpha, you're alpha all … | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/06/21 02:01 AM |
| 1 | When does the use of makeup become corrupt?And who decides my argument is not actually an argument but yours is, you? Just look up the word argument in a dictionary. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/06/21 02:46 PM |
| 1 | When does the use of makeup become corrupt?You're not making an argument. You're just making claims. This is just to let you know you're in the minority among men: More than half of men believe women wear make-up to trick them into thinking they're attractive, study reveals https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/make-makes-you-more-attractive-half-men-believe-women-trick-yougov-study-reveals-a7713261.html | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/06/21 11:11 PM |
| 4 | How do you find contentment to achieve mgtow?There is no winning! Only degrees of losing! That's a quote from the movie The War of the Roses. Once you understand that quote, you will be free from romance. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/06/21 07:13 AM |
| 1 | What do you think of this theory? "Why YOU Should NEVER BE YOURSELF"The whole concept of going your own way is the opposite of stagnation in my mind. After all, MGTOW means you are going somewhere. Where you're going is up to you, but you're going somewhere. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/04/21 10:04 AM |
| 1 | Does Maslow's hierarchy of needs contradict the theory of evolution?MGTOW is self-actualization. Going to a MGTOW forum to argue that self-actualization isn't real is like going to Tony Robbins forum to argue that self-improvement isn't real. Why even waste your time with that? How can you even conceptualize MGTOW without calling it self-actualization? | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/03/21 05:49 AM |
| 0 | How can someone be MGTOW without believing in free will?What are you doing on a MGTOW forum if you don't believe in free will? In my mind, that's like posting on a fishing forum without believing fish are real. There's no going your own way without free will. It can't happen. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/03/21 05:34 AM |
| 1 | Does Maslow's hierarchy of needs contradict the theory of evolution?According to whom besides you? Who or what replaced it? | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/03/21 09:30 PM |
| 1 | Does Maslow's hierarchy of needs contradict the theory of evolution?we become more than just animals. That's a prerequisite to being MGTOW in my mind. The main thing that separates people from others animals is our free will. It takes far more free will than average to be MGTOW in my view, so I believe just by being MGTOW we're going far beyond most humans in terms of free will, and humans are already far beyond all other animals in terms of free will. | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/03/21 08:05 PM |
| 0 | Does Maslow's hierarchy of needs contradict the theory of evolution?The reason I asked you for a source is because you won't find any credible scientific source for that statement that I requested it from you. What are the Maslow needs of a spider??? MGTOW is about men. Why would you be putting down MGTOW by making a silly argument like that? The way I see it is MGTOW is a process of self-actualization because it's about breaking free from everyone and everything and going your own way, and I can't think of a higher form of self-actualization than that. How coul… | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/03/21 08:00 PM |
| 1 | Does Maslow's hierarchy of needs contradict the theory of evolution?Maslow hierarchy of needs is about your prefrontal cortex, the thing that generates consciousness that comes with all those needs What is your source for that claim? evolution is everything the body too That statement makes me think you don't believe in free will. Is that right? If that's the case, how can you believe in MGTOW? MGTOW requires free will. | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/03/21 07:43 PM |
| 1 | Does Maslow's hierarchy of needs contradict the theory of evolution?What are your sources for those claims? Even if those claims are true, how do they help to answer question "Does Maslow's hierarchy of needs contradict the theory of evolution?" | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/03/21 07:38 PM |
| -2 | Does Maslow's hierarchy of needs contradict the theory of evolution?My point was to compare it to biological evolution. You're lying. This is what you wrote. Maslow “needs” pretty much have validity with food, water, shelter, and after that it becomes subjective opinion. In order to believe that, you have to believe that the entire MGTOW movement is a fraud. Are you just here to troll? | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/03/21 05:55 PM |
| -3 | Does Maslow's hierarchy of needs contradict the theory of evolution?Why would you post on a MGTOW forum that self-actualization is just a want and not a need? That's just so unMGTOW that it doesn't belong here, and I hope your post is downvoted to oblivion. | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/03/21 05:25 PM |
| 1 | Definition of MGTOW?So men who make "collective choices" are not mgtow. The definition in the original post doesn't say that no "collective choices" are allowed. It just says that you can't be MGTOW without making some individual choices, and that's an obvious fact. I'm blocking you now because this is a waste of time. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/21 02:07 PM |
| 1 | Definition of MGTOW?I'm not answering any of your questions until you answer the one I asked you first: What are the limitations to the definition in the original post? I don't care if you think all definitions have limitations. I want to know what the limitations are in the definition in the original post. Your opinion about all definitions isn't relevant to the discussion, but the definition in the original post is. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/21 01:33 PM |
| 1 | Definition of MGTOW?Says the one looking to put mgtow in a box, by "defining" it. Just because there's a definition doesn't mean there are limitations. What are the limitations to the definition in the original post? My hope with this thread is to have a debate like this. I think the debate is moot because the definition of MGTOW is in the name. However, everyone doesn't agree on that point, so the debate is necessary in my view. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/21 12:48 PM |
| 1 | Definition of MGTOW?I can't find that definition anywhere but your post here. Why would anyone put the word women in a definition of men going their own way? How does any man have the right to tell any other man how to be MGTOW (as long as it's about legal activities)? Why would anyone want to put limitations on what MGTOW can be (as long as it's about legal activities)? | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/21 11:45 AM |
| 0 | Ariana Grande: Portrait of a 27-year -old woman. (A warning to MGTOWs who date.)Don't fuck without using your own condoms You just lost your credibility. Even if they were completely effective which they aren't, you're not aware of how women take sperm from used condoms for artificial insemination. I could pick apart your argument, but it's pointless. I'm blocking you. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/12/20 03:20 AM |
| 8 | Ariana Grande: Portrait of a 27-year -old woman. (A warning to MGTOWs who date.)Lots of MGTOWs date. Here's a thread about it from this subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW2/comments/aaamei/mgtow_and_recreational_dating/ | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/11/20 03:36 AM |
| 2 | Shania Twain - Any Man Of Mine: Why do men take the deal?Why would men put up with women with that attitude? I'm disappointed in myself for being that way in the past. Now that I've left that behind as much as I can, I'm disappointed with all men for putting up with that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/08/20 09:00 AM |
| 2 | Shania Twain - Any Man Of Mine: Why do men take the deal?The question is why any man would meet the demands described in the song. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/08/20 07:40 AM |
| 1 | The only reason MGTOW is important is because humans are domesticated animals.We are animals. We can only speak ourselves about such things. I believe I'm a spirit having a physical existence, but I can't prove it. I can't speak for anyone else either. I can't even prove that you nor I exist. Solopsism can never be disproven. | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/09/19 03:40 AM |
| 1 | MGTOW or family?I don't really understand the predicament here. I didn't explain that part because I wanted the description of the situation to be as broad as possible. My hope was that everyone could relate easier and decide what they would do in such a situation. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/09/19 04:54 AM |
| 1 | MGTOW or family?Either way this post still makes 0 sense. It's not about me but everyone else. 😁 | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/09/19 04:51 AM |
| 1 | MGTOW or family?I still don’t understand what this post is about It's a poll to see what each person would do. just make a second channel and upload the MGTOW video to that. Then I'll lose the comments, the YouTube search ranking, and the prestige of having over 5000 views. That would be a betrayal of the MGTOW community to me. Those comments are precious. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/09/19 04:50 AM |
| 1 | MGTOW or family?It's a hypothetical situation (for everyone but me) as to what each individual would choose. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/09/19 04:34 AM |
| 1 | MGTOW or family?Plus you could just hide the video by fixing privacy settings for it How? I would be the only one who could watch it. It would be the same as deleting it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/09/19 04:32 AM |
| 1 | MGTOW or family?This thread is about a hypothetical situation for everyone but me. I've made my choice. I want to see what others here would do and why. | /r/MGTOW2 | 16/09/19 04:28 AM |
| 1 | Will MGTOW always be counterculture?you have a libido for a reason That depends on what the purpose and meaning of life is. For instance, if we're here on accident, then there is no "reason" to anything. | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/09/19 03:59 AM |
| 1 | Do you have any Cypher (from 'The Matrix') in you?How is this song blue pill to you? I called it a "blue pill dreaming" video. What I mean by that is that I allow myself to go back to the mentality I used to have before I was red pilled and look at all of this stuff with rose colored glasses thinking that women are angels. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/09/19 11:06 PM |
| 1 | How do you have hope for humanity as a red-pilled man?My guess is it's more biological than cultural because MGTOW is increasing in popularity in cultures all over the world. I think it's a spiritual evolution more than anything. Why do you care about whether the evolution is biological, cultural, or spiritual? | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/09/19 11:01 PM |
| 1 | How do you have hope for humanity as a red-pilled man?The fact that we're here discussing it openly. It's a step in the right direction. This kind of opportunity and the awareness that makes it possible is a fairly new phenomenon for humanity. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/09/19 03:35 PM |
| 1 | How do you have hope for humanity as a red-pilled man?But you specifically stated that you want that hope for humanity to manifest itself in your lifetime. Where did I state that? I never wrote that. You're blocked for lying. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/09/19 01:49 PM |
| 1 | How do you have hope for humanity as a red-pilled man?I never wrote there's a need for it. I'm blocking you for lying. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/09/19 03:31 AM |
| 2 | How do you have hope for humanity as a red-pilled man?What is it you hope for that this lifetime can't provide for you? I have hope for myself. Having hope for humanity in general is a completely different issue. | /r/MGTOW2 | 05/09/19 01:56 AM |
| 1 | Do you have any Cypher (from 'The Matrix') in you?That's a weird conclusion to draw. I have lots of hope. I have hope for myself. How do you have "lots of hope" in women as a red-pilled man? Women are half of humanity, and if the vast majority of them are corrupt and a good percentage of men are too (blue-pilled simps), how do you have hope in humanity in general? But try to find some music that has some semblance of masculinity. The whole point of this is enjoying the dream of what women portray themselves as. That comment is senseless in this… | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/09/19 05:53 AM |
| 1 | Society is stacked against going your own way. Is there an answer?Here's a reality check for you. https://www.fool.com/retirement/2018/11/01/who-qualifies-for-social-security.aspx | /r/MGTOW2 | 31/08/19 01:06 AM |
| 1 | Society is stacked against going your own way. Is there an answer?I'm here to discuss reality not fantasy. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/08/19 08:55 AM |
| 3 | Society is stacked against going your own way. Is there an answer?If you can't secure your health care, you got work to do. That's mostly luck. Random accidents can happen to anyone. Genetics can lead to diseases that no one can stop. The environment is becoming increasingly polluted which is causing all kinds of diseases. Your answer is completely wrong. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/08/19 07:18 AM |
| 1 | Society is stacked against going your own way. Is there an answer?Just putting MGTOW in a sentence doesn't make it a MGTOW concept, how is this any different from the general population? I'm asking a relevant question for this subreddit. Are you sowing seeds of fear and doubt? I don't see how because this topic concerns a reality that we all face. It's completely foolish not to look at a train coming straight at you because it makes you afraid. Since you're not wiser than that, I'm blocking you. | /r/MGTOW2 | 30/08/19 05:47 AM |
| 1 | Do you consider Purple Pill men to be MGTOW?Can you give an example of anyone using a definition of "The Purple Pill" that's significantly different from how it's defined in the original post of this thread? I've never seen that or heard it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/08/19 10:55 AM |
| 0 | Do you consider Purple Pill men to be MGTOW?Your quote: We dont recruit, we just watch them arrive. I am using logic. You can't do those things if this subreddit were closed by Reddit for expression of unpopular views. You can say, "We (whoever that is) would start a new subreddit, but if this subreddit were closed for unpopular views, the new one would be too. You want others to respect your choices in going your own way because you want Reddit to do it. I'm blocking you now for denying reality. | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/08/19 10:40 AM |
| 1 | Do you consider Purple Pill men to be MGTOW?That's a nonsensical comment. I'll downvote and block that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/08/19 10:30 AM |
| 1 | Do you consider Purple Pill men to be MGTOW?I dont think you understand MGTOW enough. I only need to understand my own MGTOW way. Same thing for you. If you don't understand yourself well, then you won't understand MGTOW enough. I dont care what people think about me, as long as they dont cost me my money. You want others to respect your choices in going your own way. For example, you don't want this subreddit closed by Reddit for expressing unpopular views. That's an example of how you want others to respect your choices in going your ow… | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/08/19 10:28 AM |
| 1 | Do you consider Purple Pill men to be MGTOW?You're being completely hypocritical because you want others to respect your choices in going your own way, but you won't do the same for others. How does that make sense to you? | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/08/19 10:03 AM |
| 1 | Why do women who don't need makeup still wear makeup?You may be right that it may be a power thing for some people, but I doubt it is for the majority of people. I think any woman who refers to makeup as "war paint" is admitting it's about power. If you don't know how common it is for women to refer to makeup as "war paint", there's no point in continuing this discussion. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/08/19 11:06 AM |
| 1 | Why do women who don't need makeup still wear makeup?You're lying again because I mentioned men's makeup in the original post, and psychology is what this thread is about not makeup. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/08/19 09:42 AM |
| 1 | Why do women who don't need makeup still wear makeup?Pretty sure this isn't psychology, it's a shitty tabloid article. This thread isn't a tabloid. The original post isn't an article. Let's not lie to ourselves I'm not the one lying here. This is a MGTOW subreddit discussion about human psychology. I've never seen anyone state the need for peer-reviewed studies in any MGTOW discussion. We couldn't openly discuss anything related to MGTOW under such conditions. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/08/19 09:31 AM |
| 1 | Why do women who don't need makeup still wear makeup?I used to question this also. But people just want to look their best and feel attractive. I've dressed up in a nice suit occasionally, and it does make a difference. I wasn't looking to attract someone, but I quite liked some admiring stares (though perhaps I imagined most of them) that came my way. You just described exactly what I was referring to. Dressing up gave you added power. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/08/19 09:24 AM |
| 1 | Why do women who don't need makeup still wear makeup?Knowledge of psychology is wisdom. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/08/19 09:23 AM |
| 1 | Why do women who don't need makeup still wear makeup?Worrying what car other people drive, or jobs they have and makeup???? Really, bro, you may possibly need to reassess your life path. Knowledge is power. There's nothing more important than that in life. You can't successfully do anything without it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/08/19 08:59 AM |
| 1 | Why do women who don't need makeup still wear makeup?So you are paying for makeup for women who don't need it? I never did that specifically. How is it relevant? I don't think you understand what MGTOW means. What's the definition? Who has the authority to create a definition? I know you don't know what it means if you think there's a definition. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/08/19 08:47 AM |
| 1 | Why do women who don't need makeup still wear makeup?I deal with this every day because I live in regular society with everyone else. A better answer for everyone is "knowledge is power." And... Ummm, maybe the question is why do you as a man , who is not paying for it, care? Although I'm not in a romantic relationship, I have female friends whom I treat to do things. I consider them to be the type I was discussing in the original post. I don't know what the "it" you mentioned was referring to, but I do pay alright for something. I do it for my me… | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/08/19 08:39 AM |
| 1 | Why do women who don't need makeup still wear makeup?I have met met women who are beautiful without make up who were insecure though. You can't give me one example? I can do better than that. Katy Perry put the line "You think I'm pretty without any makeup on" in her song "Teenage Dream." She was exhibiting a lot of insecurity there. With that said, whether or not she's beautiful without makeup is a hotly contested issue, so the example may be moot. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/08/19 08:25 AM |
| 1 | Why do women who don't need makeup still wear makeup?I've never known a woman who was beautiful without makeup being insecure about her looks. If it happens because of insecurity "most of the time", then you should have no trouble finding one clear example. Please give a source other than yourself for that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/08/19 07:49 AM |
| 1 | I've become insufferably negative about women and society and I need helpIf you're not getting paid for that, just quit. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/08/19 03:18 AM |
| 1 | I think my brother in law has a rational fear of his daughter.I edited the original post of this thread to include your post. You explained what I intended the thread to be about perfectly. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/08/19 05:33 AM |
| 1 | I think my brother in law has a rational fear of his daughter.You deserve an award for this post. This is what I wanted to be discussed in the thread, but everyone wanted to discuss my brother-in-law and things like the definition of totalitarianism. It seems like cognitive dissonance therapy to me probably because the reality of what's happening is too frightening. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/08/19 02:04 AM |
| 1 | I think my brother in law has a rational fear of his daughter.Because people who have PhD’s earned by studying governments and their systems have more knowledge than I do and definitely have more than you. I was using the term very "totalitarian" to make conversation. I'm not here to be insulted. I'm putting you on ignore. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 12:20 PM |
| 1 | I think my brother in law has a rational fear of his daughter.Because people who have PhD’s earned by studying governments and their systems have more knowledge than I do and definitely have more than you. I was using the term very "totalitarian" to make conversation. I'm not here to be insulted. I'm putting you on ignore. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 12:20 PM |
| 1 | I think my brother in law has a rational fear of his daughter.Because people who have PhD’s earned by studying governments and their systems have more knowledge than I do and definitely have more than you. I was using the term very "totalitarian" to make conversation. I'm not here to be insulted. I'm putting you on ignore. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 12:19 PM |
| 2 | I think my brother in law has a rational fear of his daughter.Yeah I’m not gonna lie, all your comments and your OP are pretty wild. I'm kind of playing devil's advocate to a certain extent to make conversation. The purpose of this thread is to discuss the final question in the original post of this thread: "Is society forcing men to be worse fathers to female children, to be worse friends to women, and to run away from all females in general?" Almost no one has discussed much it so far. Your reasons for wanting this thread to deleted have nothing to do wi… | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 11:55 AM |
| 0 | I think my brother in law has a rational fear of his daughter.Quit making excuses for a bad parent. Prison has nothing to do with it, time has nothing to do with it and location has nothing to do with it. This is what you're doing. The invincible ignorance fallacy[1] is a deductive fallacy of circularity where the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given. It is not so much a fallacious tactic in argument as it is a refusal to argue in the proper sense of the word, the method instead being to either make asserti… | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 08:50 AM |
| 1 | I think my brother in law has a rational fear of his daughter.I'm irrelevant to your lack of reasoning ability. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 08:42 AM |
| 0 | I think my brother in law has a rational fear of his daughter.Well, ya, nobody can parent well from prison. But if the relationship was forged early and there were clear lines drawn about what behavior does and does not get rewarded, this crying would probably not happen. You're not stupid; you know why she's crying. Crying for no reason at all or over almost nothing is part of growing up for a woman. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 08:41 AM |
| 1 | I think my brother in law has a rational fear of his daughter.Thirty years ago I would have said he's a bad parent regardless of where he lives. Now I say parents must stay out of prison to be good parents. California is right with New York as the most totalitarian states/countries in the world. Even if what you do is perfectly fine now, it could be a different situation in the future if the laws change. You may be forgetting that innocent men are often held accountable for "abuse" that never happened when a mother coaches children to "recall" such things … | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 08:27 AM |
| 1 | I think my brother in law has a rational fear of his daughter.Do not use MGTOW as an excuse to shirk your responsibilities, it is quite literally the opposite of that. It depends on where you live. There are many countries where normal affection is allowed just as it's always been. The family we're discussing lives in California. I'll that to the original post because it's relevant. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 08:10 AM |
| 1 | I think my brother in law has a rational fear of his daughter.If you truly believe that men aren't allowed to be affectionate towards their female children, then I would suggest you are living with the same sort of irrational fear that these feminists live with. Your brother in law is a shitty parent, that's all. That's what's known as "insane troll logic." It's too nonsensical to debate. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 07:22 AM |
| 1 | I think my brother in law has a rational fear of his daughter.Sure, but, you didn't mention "when" or "why" she has these crying events. It matters. My mother said my brother-in-law always yells at my niece and tells her to stop crying whenever she cries regardless of the reason. I'll add that detail to the original post. But if you believe he's just a bad parent Thirty years ago I would have said he's a bad parent. Now I say parents must stay out of prison to be good parents. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 06:51 AM |
| 1 | I think my brother in law has a rational fear of his daughter.Crying a lot is part of being a teenage girl, and it's really part of being a girl of any age. Any parent should know that. What my brother-in-law is doing now has always been considered terrible parenting, and that's how my mother feels about it. Your explanation doesn't make it one bit better. My explanation makes it better because if I were in my brother-in-law's shoes, I wouldn't want to go to prison in the name of "trying to be a good parent." That's one of the reasons I refused to have chi… | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 06:18 AM |
| 1 | Christianity is a MGTOW religion.Please elaborate? | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 05:43 AM |
| 1 | Christianity is a MGTOW religion.Jesus and Paul both considered being single to be a better choice than being married. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 05:35 AM |
| 1 | Christianity is a MGTOW religion.That applies to those who get married, but Jesus and Paul both considered being single to be a better choice than being married. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 05:22 AM |
| 1 | Christianity is a MGTOW religion.I'm putting anyone who wants tell someone else how to go their own way on ignore. | /r/MGTOW2 | 23/08/19 03:39 AM |
| 1 | Christianity is a MGTOW religion.You've sorta claimed it twice I did not claim MGTOW is about celibacy at all (I didn't even hint at it in any way). Was I not correct in christianity not being mgtow like your original statement was? "Christianity is a MGTOW religion." That's the conclusion I'm advocating in this thread. My reasoning for that is the fact Jesus was MGTOW, and the religion incorporates very common (of course not universal) MGTOW philosophy. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/08/19 09:48 AM |
| 1 | Christianity is a MGTOW religion.I didn't claim mgtow is about celibacy and being single (I worded it wrong), but you did claim that. Where did I "claim mgtow is about celibacy and being single." Please quote me. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/08/19 08:59 AM |
| 0 | Christianity is a MGTOW religion.MGTOW is about actions over beliefs. Jesus went his own way from the start of his life. Can you debunk anything in the following article? https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/five-ways-jesus-changes-our-relationship-to-the-old-testament If we take an empirical approach (rather than a dogmatic approach) to examining Jesus' life, we see he was a rebel against everything in this world including the Old Testament. I can't think of anything more MGTOW than that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/08/19 08:56 AM |
| 1 | Christianity is a MGTOW religion.Your reply seems self-contradictory. The last sentence seems to disprove the rest of what you wrote about marriage and procreation in Christianity. mgtow is about living for yourself, not living for others, including deities. How can anyone tell someone else how to go their own way? Any limitations that are put on it are invalid. | /r/MGTOW2 | 22/08/19 08:49 AM |
| 1 | Just look and listenComment from "Why is MGTOW such a pity party?" from IBudgetForIt via /r/MGTOW2 sent 4 hours ago show parent "Completely amoral and criminal", "totally classless and narcissistic" -- that's exaggeration to the point of hatred. No one is "completely" or "totally" anything. I wasn't exaggerating. I was only referring to the descriptions in the song lyrics and not the students as people. Completely amoral - See all the posted lyrics. Completely criminal - They're saying they're "gangsters" in the Cr… | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/08/19 04:04 AM |
| 1 | Why is MGTOW such a pity party?that's exaggeration to the point of hatred I didn't exaggerate at all. Did you read the song lyrics? | /r/MGTOW2 | 18/08/19 03:56 AM |
| 1 | Daily Red Pill FixesYou have no right to tell any man how to go his own way. MGTOW would have no meaning if that were the case. Consequently, I'm putting you on ignore. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/08/19 10:45 PM |
| 1 | Daily Red Pill FixesIf that is something you are hung up on or find yourself coping with, you need to examine things a little closer. You're going to tell another man how he can go his own way? That doesn't make any sense. There can't be any rules to it, or it's not going your own way. MGTOW is freedom, or it's a lie. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/08/19 10:04 PM |
| 1 | Just look and listenI reposted the original post of this thread without using the word cliche: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/crlhrn/this_video_scares_me_part_2/ Let's see if I'm still accused of "hate" now. Calling something a cliche is not passing judgment on it as to whether it's true or false. Calling something a cliche is a meant to be a factual assertion with no emotion attached to it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/08/19 12:29 PM |
| 1 | Just look and listenLet's summarize all that. It's basically the worst of all the cliches. It was this part that got me accused of "hate." It apparently hangs on the meaning of the word cliche. Claiming something is a cliche is not the same as claiming it's true. According to Cambridge Dictionary, the word cliche means "a saying or remark that is very often made and is therefore not original and not interesting", so I wasn't claiming any of the cliches were true. I was only claiming that those cliches are frequentl… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/08/19 12:15 PM |
| 2 | Why is MGTOW such a pity party?It was just your opinion. This is a fact: It's basically the worst of all the cliches. What I listed are basically the worst of all the cliches. I never claimed it was all of the worst cliches. Holding a negative opinion of someone or a group of people with absolutely no factual evidence is the very definition of hate. Please give me a reputable dictionary that claims that. According to Cambridge Dictionary, the word cliche means "a saying or remark that is very often made and is therefore not o… | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/08/19 11:57 AM |
| 1 | Just look and listenAre you telling me this is a trial where voluntary confessions aren't allowed as evidence? What other evidence isn't allowed and why? | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/08/19 11:47 AM |
| 2 | Why is MGTOW such a pity party?Quoted from your own post. Nah, you don't have any hatred of women. Maybe you'd be happier dating men. Where's the "hate"? It was a statement of fact. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/08/19 11:36 AM |
| 2 | Just look and listenA poster on this subreddit accused me of displaying "hatred of women" in the original post of this thread. Pointing out that those women are referring to themselves as being hypergamous, cheating, ultra-materialistic, criminal, classless, amoral, narcissistic, gangsters is "hating them"? Repeating what they said about themselves is called "hate"? I have no hate for them, but most of those characteristics are bad, mmkay? | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/08/19 11:33 AM |
| 1 | Why is MGTOW such a pity party?Why? You need to be more specific. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/08/19 11:25 AM |
| 1 | Why is MGTOW such a pity party?The subreddits that you're looking for aren't MGTOW. You're just clueless overall. https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leanfire/ | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/08/19 11:18 AM |
| 1 | Why is MGTOW such a pity party?I had a read through your post, and most of it was just complaining expressing your own hatred of women. Give me one example of that. You're just making things up. I have no hatred for women. You're a horny young guy? Okay, so go fap and release. Then move on with your life. You have no understanding of human psychology. No wonder you can't grasp this topic. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/08/19 11:12 AM |
| 1 | Why is MGTOW such a pity party?I gave you an explanation of why MGTOW seems like a "pity party." It's because it's not what it seems on the surface. It's a coping mechanism that seems like a "pity party." I started a "daily red pill" thread today: https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW2/comments/crjjxp/just_look_and_listen/ It must be just "opinion", right? Please debunk it then. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/08/19 10:59 AM |
| 1 | Why is MGTOW such a pity party?Why do so many of you guys choose to get bitter rather than getting better? I've wondered why so many guys need a daily red pill fix like watching a Sandman video every day. It's because they get horny every day, and they need a daily red pill fix to keep them on focused on reality rather than letting their bodies get them carried off to blue pill delusions. It's not a matter of being "bitter" for most of them but just a matter of staying focused on reality and keeping their feet on the ground. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/08/19 10:37 AM |
| 1 | Why is MGTOW such a pity party?Why do so many of you guys choose to get bitter rather than getting better? Our bodies force us to think about sex, so it's a constant struggle to resist it. If you're purple pill, it's a lot harder than being red pill because you can fall back into blue pill thinking a lot easier. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/08/19 09:54 AM |
| 1 | Why is MGTOW such a pity party?Why do so many of you guys choose to get bitter rather than getting better? Our bodies force us to think about sex, so it's a constant struggle to resist it. If you're purple pill, it's a lot harder than being red pill because you can fall back into blue pill thinking a lot easier. | /r/MGTOW2 | 17/08/19 09:53 AM |
| 1 | Stardusk has reversed his position on women's approach to relationships. He supports it now.Therefore the cost benefit, risk/reward is always going to be high and warns against relationships. He's advocating for each man to make up their own mind as to whether the benefits outweigh the costs. He obviously believes that the benefits can never outweigh the costs | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/05/19 02:21 PM |
| 1 | Stardusk has reversed his position on women's approach to relationships. He supports it now.So basically spread more evil intent Looking out for one's best interests isn't evil intent. That's all that Stardusk is advocating here. In my view, failing to make taking good care of yourself is the evil thing because if we don't take good care of ourselves, we won't be able to help anyone else. | /r/MGTOW2 | 20/05/19 02:18 PM |
| 5 | Female is desperate to track down the man she met on a flight from Europe. She has even contacted the airline. OP: Just imagine the feminist outcry if the genders in the above scenario were reversed.Britney Spears' song "Radar" would be called 'stalking' if the equivalent ideas were expressed by a male. If a female sings it, it's called "romantic." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PctD-8y0FRg | /r/MensRights | 29/03/19 11:48 AM |
| 1 | A crypto exchange can't repay $190 million it owes customers because its CEO died with the only passwordthe majority of people here feel you are incorrect in posting here You made that up, and you have no good reason to believe that. This thread has been 100% upvoted. I'm blocking you now. | /r/MensRights | 05/02/19 07:12 AM |
| 1 | A crypto exchange can't repay $190 million it owes customers because its CEO died with the only passwordIt is a PROPERTY issue. That will be decided in court. Lots of people believe this is a right's issue. Look at some examples: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/op-ed-rise-cryptocurrency-securities-lawsuits/ It's not settled everywhere as to whether you're right about this not being a right's issue, and it may be different in different countries, but your condemnation of me here is a joke. | /r/MensRights | 05/02/19 04:52 AM |
| 1 | A crypto exchange can't repay $190 million it owes customers because its CEO died with the only passwordThis isn't a "rights" issue you fucking moron. Rights are due to you from the government. It's a rights issue if the money will never be returned. | /r/MensRights | 05/02/19 04:29 AM |
| 1 | A crypto exchange can't repay $190 million it owes customers because its CEO died with the only passwordIf you don't have the right to keep your money/cryptocurrency, do the other rights even matter? That's why I think this topic belongs here. | /r/MensRights | 05/02/19 03:55 AM |
| 2 | We're causing some women to lose hope concerning relationships.These guys seem like incels. If you think those posters "seem like incels", then you must think YouTubers such as Howard Dare, Stardusk, Sandman, An Ear For Men, MGTOW is Freedom, and practically all the rest sound like incels too. If we start self-censoring for any reason, then we've lost the fight. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/02/19 01:19 PM |
| 1 | We're causing some women to lose hope concerning relationships.She purposefully chose to look into the community where men who were wronged by or had some sort of negative experience that led them to have negative opinion towards woman and she took that as an consensus of all men. The title of her post "Reading PUA, Red Pill and MGTOW blogs and forums is making me not really trust men." paints a different picture. I get the impression she was basing her conclusions on many different sources, but she only wanted to write about one of them. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/02/19 01:15 PM |
| 3 | We're causing some women to lose hope concerning relationships.Or we should decide now the name of the next subreddit. I think there are secret enclaves of MGTOW who have already ditched the MGTOW label. For example, this is one of the best MGTOW threads I've read: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9t8rxk/apparently_ive_only_been_useful_for_the_past_few/ That makes perfect sense to me. No one can criticize a man for posting on a men's rights forum, so let's be MGTOW under that monicker. What's the problem with that? | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/02/19 12:46 PM |
| 2 | We're causing some women to lose hope concerning relationships.why do you even care? I want to know why women have such animosity toward MGTOW. Because knowledge is power. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/02/19 12:33 PM |
| 2 | We're causing some women to lose hope concerning relationships.We are “causing”? No, they are deciding it for themselves If the stuff we're posting online wasn't being posted online, then these women wouldn't have changed their opinions of men (according to them). I meant "cause" as in "a reason for an action or condition." The MGTOW posts they read were part of the reason for their new outlooks. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/02/19 12:16 PM |
| 4 | We're causing some women to lose hope concerning relationships.society is just going back to a system that works ... surely you can see all the women who openly say that they are interested only in money How can you claim that system "works" when the divorce rate is so high and MGTOW is becoming so popular mainly because that system you referred to is failing? | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/02/19 10:57 AM |
| 8 | We're causing some women to lose hope concerning relationships.society is just going back to a system that works What system is that? | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/02/19 10:29 AM |
| 1 | is it normal that i tune out women when they talkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj0p7s-y7_Q Great joke. 😂 | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/02/19 09:52 AM |
| 3 | Best Subreddits That Expose How Bad Relationships May GetI don't see how any subreddit could surpass r/rant for relationship horror stories. If you want an unadulterated horror show, that subreddit has it. r/trueoffmychest is another of my favorites. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/02/19 09:41 AM |
| 2 | Stunning conversation on 'incels' and a strategy to winHonestly, I can't believe how much hot air is wasted by people claiming to be MGTOW over the topic of who is, and who isn't, an "incel." I am a voluntary celibate. I'm proud of it. It doesn't make any difference because I'm not on Reddit to make real life friends. You went off on a tangent concerning what this thread is about. This thread is about the fact that a complete stud can be labeled an "incel" based on him being unhappy about being a total blue simp. This gets to the heart of something … | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/01/19 08:32 PM |
| 1 | Stunning conversation on 'incels' and a strategy to winThere is plenty of timeless wisdom in it, but overall I agree with you. The problem is that in a world where facts and truth don't matter, we have to have some basis to compete. What do you propose? | /r/MGTOW2 | 27/01/19 05:08 PM |
| 2 | Is the MGTOW label too tainted to be viable for marketing?I was specifically referring to marketing a subreddit. Just having the term "MGTOW" in the name of my subreddit ruined people's impression of it. That could apply to starting a new website, a new YouTube channel, a newsletter, a club, or even a traditional business. Why would you use "mgtow" for marketing? I'm pretty sure some MGTOW YouTubers are making a lot of money from their channels. The problem is that it goes beyond that when you're constantly getting attacked for nothing but being associ… | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/01/19 12:25 PM |
| 1 | The idiom 'let your hair down' and what it reveals about women."Let your hair down" is a standard idiom. It's in the Cambridge Dictionary: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/amp/english/let-your-hair-down It's in the Macmillan Dictionary: https://www.macmillandictionary.com/amp/dictionary/british/let-your-hair-down | /r/MGTOW2 | 13/01/19 07:35 AM |
| 2 | /r/MGTOW is on the list of 'Reddit’s Whiniest, Most Low-Key Toxic Subreddits'Do you have an example? | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/01/19 10:19 AM |
| 1 | Morality and Self-DeceptionYou are wrong, you know nothing about evolution. Give me a credible source for that claim, and we can continue the discussion. Your unsourced claims have no credibility. | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/01/19 10:19 AM |
| 0 | Morality and Self-DeceptionBelieving in religion would be another example of positive self-deception. I'm not advocating that because I think it's too dangerous. You could lose your mind if you completely give your being away to nonsense. I was just talking about doing it for a short time out of necessity because your body needs it. If you allow yourself to believe in unbelievable fairy tales all the time, you may wake up one day and find that you've irrevocably lost your mind forever. Or you may find you just drank the K… | /r/MGTOW2 | 11/01/19 08:58 AM |
| 1 | /r/MGTOW is on the list of 'Reddit’s Whiniest, Most Low-Key Toxic Subreddits'You're acting as if it's obvious that they're not responsible. Why do you believe that? | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/19 10:46 PM |
| 0 | /r/MGTOW is on the list of 'Reddit’s Whiniest, Most Low-Key Toxic Subreddits'My only point was that the mere fact Vice is responsible enough to stay in business means that they're getting their quotes right. I'm not claiming they're perfect. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/19 10:10 PM |
| -1 | /r/MGTOW is on the list of 'Reddit’s Whiniest, Most Low-Key Toxic Subreddits'They're responsible enough to stay in business, and that means they get their quotes right. That's all that I meant by that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/19 10:05 PM |
| -6 | /r/MGTOW is on the list of 'Reddit’s Whiniest, Most Low-Key Toxic Subreddits'Reality is a good judge. If a news organization were too loose with the facts when it comes to quoting people, they would be sued out of business for libel relatively quickly. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/19 09:44 PM |
| -5 | /r/MGTOW is on the list of 'Reddit’s Whiniest, Most Low-Key Toxic Subreddits'No one can read everything. I think Vice is a responsible news organization, and they wouldn't lie about something like that. The real questions are: Does /r/MGTOW belong on that list? Should the posters on /r/MGTOW2 refrain from discussing women to protect this subreddit? | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/19 09:35 PM |
| 2 | Morality and Self-DeceptionHow would having a doll or jacking off require self deception? I can only speak for myself. I have never used a sex doll, but anything like this requires me to idolize women to some extent. That requires a blue pill relapse for me. What exactly do you define as a blue pill relapse? I defined that in the original post of this thread. And what do you consider to be redpill? My rough definition of red pill for MGTOW would be thoroughly understanding where you stand legally, traditionally, and biolo… | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/19 11:00 AM |
| 1 | What's the greatest MGTOW movie ever made?Why do you think that's the greatest MGTOW movie ever made? | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/19 09:58 AM |
| 1 | Morality and Self-DeceptionI mean, couldn’t one basically just do a much less extreme version of “pump-and-dump”? Strip clubs are a good solution for me because I don't need sex. I just need to let myself enjoy female eye candy in a blue pill relapse haze. Self-deception is necessary in that for me because intellectually I would just think about the women as being pathetic and therefore not appealing at all. | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/19 09:53 AM |
| 2 | Morality and Self-Deceptionpersonal logic What is that? I've never heard of that. The fundamental reason for any member of a species to exist is for continuation of the species Why do you believe that? The vast majority of religionists (Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.) all disagree with your view. They all see human life as a test for some kind of afterlife. People who believe in the theory of evolution wouldn't agree with you here either because they believe there is no reason for a species to exist ou… | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/19 09:40 AM |
| 1 | Morality and Self-DeceptionI think if you keep lust or desire in, just buy a doll or jack off. I can't do anything like that without self-deception. For a red pilled heterosexual man to do those things, it's got to involve a blue pill relapse to some extent. Part of the point I'm trying to make is that blue pill relapses can't happen without self-deception. Is self-deception ever moral? | /r/MGTOW2 | 10/01/19 09:23 AM |
| 2 | What's the greatest MGTOW movie ever made?Which character(s) is/are MGTOW? BTW: I'm sure you're referring to Episode 4 (1977), but I think you should clear it up because younger people may think you're referring to Episode 1 (1999). | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/01/19 03:02 PM |
| 1 | What's the greatest MGTOW movie ever made?Pulp Fiction Which character(s) were MGTOW in that film? | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/01/19 02:53 PM |
| 1 | What's the greatest MGTOW movie ever made?Cast away in my opinion isn’t a mgtow movie because he is forced into isolation and he is forced to survive. Assuming we didn't come to this hellhole called Earth voluntarily, we were all forced into our situations. How does that change anything? | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/01/19 02:38 PM |
| 1 | What's the greatest MGTOW movie ever made?I looked it up, and I watched it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4HY544URjA What do you think it means? | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/01/19 12:57 PM |
| 3 | What's the greatest MGTOW movie ever made?Animal House is a great snapshot of a group of young MGTOW I look at fraternities as essentially being almost as bad as the military when it comes to dominating someone's life. I think a person who is giving up that much control over their life can hardly be classified as MGTOW. I'm not claiming it's impossible but highly unlikely. | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/01/19 12:20 PM |
| 1 | What's the greatest MGTOW movie ever made?can't be gone girl. he doesn't choose to go his own way. he sacrifices for the sake of the unborn child. I think Gone Girl should be seen as a type of documentary that focuses on understanding women. I'm horrified to write those words knowing what the plot is about, but that's life. | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/01/19 12:15 PM |
| 10 | What's the greatest MGTOW movie ever made?If that's your standard, you should watch My Dinner With Andre. It's all men. It's MGTOW themed as well. You can watch it for free on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygbJ7LIDMIY | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/01/19 10:44 AM |
| 1 | What's the greatest MGTOW movie ever made?If you like Castaway so much I can't think of another film that's so purely MGTOW. A man has to take responsibility for everything in his life. He has to face the world alone (as we all do ultimately). He has certain flaws and shortcomings and those things could kill him if he doesn't adapt to his surroundings quickly enough. He succeeds through all of that, and by facing all of those challenges he frees himself from his mental slavery and his invisible chains. I think The Shawshank Redemption i… | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/01/19 10:38 AM |
| 1 | What's the greatest MGTOW movie ever made?Are you talking about this? https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0756683/ I saw that movie, and I can't understand your choice. Why did you choose it? | /r/MGTOW2 | 09/01/19 06:32 AM |
| 0 | Why are these women against love?it doesn't take much to misinterpret and twist the meaning of any song. There's nothing in the song or the music video that would lead anyone to think the song's about drug addiction. It's very easy to "misinterpret and twist" a song meaning such as Madonna's song "Like a Virgin." Forget the song title – "Like a Virgin" is not about losing your virginity. In fact, the song, written by Billy Steinberg, was about how he was left "emotionally battered" after a failed relationship but then ended up … | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/19 03:05 PM |
| 1 | Why are these women against love?Please read the other side to the story (apparently) below. Look at the music video. There's not a hint in it that the song is about drug addiction. It looks like a standard teen romantic video except for the children dancing (and that makes sense given the children singing in the song). The fact that the song was taken as a typical love song when it was released supports the argument in the original post of this thread. In other words, it's completely expected and accepted that women will think… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/19 01:17 PM |
| 2 | Some of Guns N' Roses hardest and best songs are blue pill simp anthemsI think they're a MGTOW band. They have overly sappy songs like "So Fine" and "One in a Million", and they have blue pill tendencies, but if that's your way of being MGTOW, I have no problem with it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/19 06:19 AM |
| 1 | Some of Guns N' Roses hardest and best songs are blue pill simp anthemsF for Fake requires some thinking to understand. You may even wonder why I recommended it to you. You have to open your mind because it's an examination of how the micro extrapolates to the macro in society. It's the same topic as They Live, but it's said indirectly for the most part. | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/19 05:55 AM |
| 1 | Some of Guns N' Roses hardest and best songs are blue pill simp anthemsThere were at least two versions of Invasion of the Body Snatchers made before They Live, and several episodes of The Twilight Zone TV show had a similar theme. I recommend F for Fake on this topic. It has a unique perspective. You can watch the whole movie for free on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIVgUjj6RxU | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/19 05:34 AM |
| 1 | Some of Guns N' Roses hardest and best songs are blue pill simp anthemsI don't think it's an analogy. I believe it's literal reality. John Carpenter Looks Back on ‘They Live': 'It's Not Science Fiction. It's a Documentary' https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/entertainment/john-carpenter-looks-back-on-they-live-its-174619686.html Rowdy Roddy Piper: 'They Live is a documentary!!' https://mobile.twitter.com/r_roddy_piper/status/383693269068050432?lang=en | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/19 03:59 AM |
| 3 | Some of Guns N' Roses hardest and best songs are blue pill simp anthemsI think we're in a situation such as in the movie They Live where you put on the sunglasses and realize that the subliminals are everywhere. They're all important because you never know which ones will affect you. I'm sure there are some that we don't see. That's why we must keep studying. Some people may say, "This is old music, so it doesn't matter." Guns N' Roses is still an active and very popular band. Blue pill simp songs show up everywhere including in contemporary music. We must be vigil… | /r/MGTOW2 | 08/01/19 02:01 AM |
| 2 | Ocasio-Cortez says perceived misogynists should be taxed at 100%She’s a special kind of stupid You don't have to be smart to be successful at politics. By the time she gets to mgtow the civilwar will already be going on. Why and when do you expect that? | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/01/19 02:43 AM |
| 1 | Ocasio-Cortez says perceived misogynists should be taxed at 100%It looks like she was joking, but the very thought of what she mentioned terrifies me. The best MGTOW spokesman out there like Stardusk, Howard Dare, and just about all the rest could easily be called "misogynists" although I think only a few of them are. The MGTOW community would be destroyed if there was a big tax penalty for being involved in it. Would MGTOW have to become a secret society under those conditions? | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/01/19 01:49 AM |
| 1 | How do you feel about blue pill relapses?Sandman got a girlfriend and dabbled into online dating throughout the years. Having a girlfriend is not what I meant by a relapse. That's more like catching the disease again. I think even a one-night stand is going too far because it's enough to ruin your life. | /r/MGTOW2 | 07/01/19 01:35 AM |
| 1 | How do you feel about blue pill relapses?None of that is true, so I'm blocking you. | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/01/19 01:09 PM |
| 2 | How do you feel about blue pill relapses?I've fought it for a long time, and I don't think it's wise to be delusional all the time, but I agree with this. (I definitely think Woody Allen is red pilled because Midnight in Paris and several of his other films are MGTOW/red pill stories.) “I have a very grim, pessimistic view of [life],” Woody Allen continued, “I always have since I was a little boy. It hasn’t gotten worse with age or anything. I do feel that it’s a grim, painful, nightmarish, meaningless experience and that the only we y… | /r/MGTOW2 | 06/01/19 01:02 PM |
| 1 | How do people feel qualified to have children?All of our broad behaviors are a result of evolution. What's your proof for that statement? | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/19 12:21 PM |
| 1 | How do people feel qualified to have children?How do people feel qualified to have children? I think I was asking a different question. Why do you believe in "evolutionary programming"? | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/19 12:05 PM |
| 1 | Most men are weak and stupidHow can a Muslim consider themselves to be MGTOW? The main point of the religion is to be submissive to authority and to never go your own way. | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/19 11:21 AM |
| 1 | Most men are weak and stupidWhat do you mean by "slave"? Would you please give an example of how that may work? How is that moral or ethical? | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/19 09:39 AM |
| 4 | Banned from MGTOW, no reason given.Heck, they didn't even say what I was banned for The same thing happened to me. You were probably banned for being MGTOW. 😂 | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/19 08:36 AM |
| -21 | Most men are weak and stupidNoone is stupid for being what nature has made them. I think of stupid as essentially being the combination of the word "stoop" and the word "id" according to the following definitions. stoop: "lower one's moral standards so far as to do something reprehensible" id: "in psychoanalysis, the deepest part of the unconscious mind that represents the most basic natural human needs and emotions such as hunger, anger, and the wish for pleasure" That's basically every stupid thing that humans do. Being … | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/19 08:07 AM |
| 10 | Most men are weak and stupidThey all present you an ideal of sex, so high up there that when you try it. Its just; meh. Reality is sobering at least. I think it's worse than that. Sex is extremely disgusting if you look at it objectively. A thought occurred to me recently about that. Is there a big difference between ejaculating and urinating? It's amazing how almost everyone thinks of the former as being hot and the latter as being disgusting. I don't think they're so different in the big picture. Nature has almost everyo… | /r/MGTOW2 | 04/01/19 06:15 AM |
| 2 | This is the essence of the rat race. (The best commercial for MGTOW?)Two things: It's amazing that real political ads are still like this today, music and all. And the fact that these are not political ads is pretty much what social media is now. A bunch of people advertising how rich and popular they are to other people. That's from the YouTube comment section for the video. Life in the matrix = a Facebook profile, and it has for a long time. When was the last time it wasn't that way in American society? The Old West? Modern society is a scripted play. | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/01/19 05:51 AM |
| 2 | This is the essence of the rat race. (The best commercial for MGTOW?)I think most of their sketches have a deep meaning. In my view, the main message of this one is that basically everything people try so hard to accomplish is meaningless to everyone else. Furthermore, if you try too hard to prove you're successful, people will dislike you or even hate you for it. There's so much more in the video about people's silly drive to pointlessly prove their 'superiority' over others and attack anyone who questions it. It's one of the most brilliant short videos I've eve… | /r/MGTOW2 | 03/01/19 05:01 AM |
| 3 | Feminist scum is r/mgtowHe said he was going to be the only moderator once he found out that his channel had been sabotaged. I don't know what he did about unbanning people. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/19 02:02 PM |
| 5 | You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)MGTOW means men who live the way they want to for their own reasons. A lot of MGTOW like to say, "MGTOW is freedom", and that's exactly right. MGTOW means freedom to even choose slavery. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/19 11:34 AM |
| 18 | Feminist scum is r/mgtowThe MGTOW YouTuber called Howard Dare said that his YouTube channel was sabotaged by fake MGTOWs that he made moderators of the channel. He said the moderators unjustly banned lots of the best commenters including a lot of his Patreon supporters and ruined discussions of his videos for no good reason. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/19 05:16 AM |
| 1 | How do people feel qualified to have children?She didn't change her mind about wanting children. That's why we ended up divorcing. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/19 01:35 AM |
| 2 | How do people feel qualified to have children?I think the first answer to this is to have the children talk before marriage. My ex-wife knew I didn't want to have children before we got married. She thought she could change my mind (or I think force an 'accidental' pregnancy) while we were married. | /r/MGTOW2 | 02/01/19 01:32 AM |
| 2 | How do people feel qualified to have children?Entitlement, legacy, responsibility, loneliness, expectations.... or it just happens and they own up to it. That's not what I meant by qualified. I meant qualified in terms of how people are considered to be qualified to do a job: by considering experience, education, awards, training, knowledge, etc. If we use that standard, it may be that no one is truly qualified to raise a child. | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/01/19 04:05 PM |
| 1 | How do people feel qualified to have children?I don't think you answered the question. How do people feel qualified to have children? | /r/MGTOW2 | 01/01/19 03:25 PM |
| 1 | Why are people putting limits on what MGTOW can mean?I decide where my value lies, and as a result I live for myself. Apply that definition to Cypher in the movie and he fails utterly. Cypher tried freedom. He didn't like it. He decided comfortable slavery was the best choice for him. Let's check your claim again. I decide where my value lies, and as a result I live for myself. Cypher decided that the best value for himself was living inside the matrix. He would completely be living for himself after he entered the matrix because he was giving up … | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/12/18 07:38 AM |
| 1 | Why are people putting limits on what MGTOW can mean?If society eventually makes equality for both sexes somehow possible or as best as humanly possible, would mgtow be as good a response at that time? I believe MGTOW is always the best choice (and it always will be) because freedom is always the best choice. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/12/18 06:54 AM |
| 1 | Why are people putting limits on what MGTOW can mean?Believe it or not, mgtow may be obsolete in the future. What do you mean by that? | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/12/18 05:44 AM |
| 1 | Do you think purple pilled men can be considered MGTOW?I think it's important because if we start putting limitations on what qualifies as MGTOW, then the entire point of it (freedom) will be lost. MGTOWs like to say, "MGTOW is freedom." There's no freedom when someone else is telling you what's an acceptable way for you to be MGTOW and what isn't. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/12/18 02:44 AM |
| 1 | Why are people putting limits on what MGTOW can mean?If you have no limits, then mgtow would resemble other things that the majority have decided is not mgtow. It would be confusing and hard to understand the concept if we don’t put any limits. What are those limits in your opinion? I look at it as being exactly the opposite of what you think. I think the term MGTOW loses all meaning if there are limits. How can one person tell another person how to be themselves? What Cypher did in betraying his friends was ethically wrong. I think you're just ly… | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/12/18 02:16 AM |
| 1 | Why are people putting limits on what MGTOW can mean?You can either choose good or evil. That's the biggest lie religion tells us isn't it? I think everything in this world is grey. For example, when you go out to plant a tree you'll step on insects and kill them. It's hard to think of even planting a tree as being a completely good act. | /r/MGTOW2 | 29/12/18 12:04 AM |
| 1 | Why are people putting limits on what MGTOW can mean?"I'm married to this woman, we have kids and I pay all the bills around here, but I'm totally going my own way because Cypher Neo'd the blue pill" GTFO Some people want to be slaves. I can't tell them they're not going their own way if that's what they really want. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/18 11:57 PM |
| 1 | Why are people putting limits on what MGTOW can mean?From what I understand of MGTOW it's about thinking for yourself, defining for yourself what a man is. It's about going your own way, not his way. Morpheus was essentially a religious zealot. I probably wouldn't pay too much attention to him either. I tend to listen to anyone I think can help me though. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/18 11:55 PM |
| 0 | Why are people putting limits on what MGTOW can mean?Logic doesn't make sense to you? This is the first time I've heard of purple pill men being left out of MGTOW. Here's a Sandman video on being purple pilled. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG_iA-_jKs0 I don't see anyone there questioning if purple pilled men are MGTOW. Here's another MGTOW video that endorses the idea that purple pilled men are MGTOW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h38ilFFwFcs I don't see anyone there questioning if purple pilled men are MGTOW. I've never seen anyone question … | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/18 11:43 PM |
| 2 | Do you believe in free will?All you need is one example where free will is proven and the "no free will" theory goes out the window. The problem is there's no way to prove free will exists. That's why I don't think this topic is even worth discussing. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/18 11:29 PM |
| 0 | Why are people putting limits on what MGTOW can mean?I think an MGTOW might reject morpheus. How and why do you think they'd reject him? | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/18 11:25 PM |
| 0 | Why are people putting limits on what MGTOW can mean?I can continue to show you that you're wrong on what MGTOW is. The definition of MGTOW is right in the name. It means each man does whatever he wants with their life. The definitions you gave would probably exclude purple pilled men from being considered MGTOW. That doesn't make any sense to me because purple pilled men are following their own paths. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/18 11:23 PM |
| 0 | Why are people putting limits on what MGTOW can mean?Because this has been the definition of what MGTOW has been since the first recorded histories. What's your source for that claim? | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/18 11:18 PM |
| 1 | Do you believe in free will?There's the problem with the free will debate. Nothing about it is falsifiable. That example I gave is proof enough for me, but I know it's not scientific proof at all. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/18 11:16 PM |
| -1 | Why are people putting limits on what MGTOW can mean?MGTOW is about leaving society behind to live your life as you see fit without their expectations. MGTOW is about living your life the way you want to live it. Your limits concerning MGTOW only apply to you. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/18 11:10 PM |
| -1 | Why are people putting limits on what MGTOW can mean?You either go your own way, or you don't. Did Cypher go his own way in The Matrix? Yes or no? How can anyone put limits on what it means to be MGTOW? I realize you just tried to do that, and it sounds like nonsense to me. Your limits concerning MGTOW only apply to you. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/18 11:07 PM |
| 1 | Do you believe in free will?I think there's a simple proof of free will that's undeniable. Children raised in the same home having the same parents often end up being completely different. I think only free will explains that. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/18 11:03 PM |
| 3 | MGTOW and Recreational DatingSo you take a woman out to just talk to her, pay for everything, and don't have sex. Got it. Some women are a blast to hang out with. I'm not ashamed to admit it. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/18 03:59 PM |
| 1 | MGTOW and Recreational DatingI know it offends some people here's religious values that we as a species sport fuck but honestly we are wired to want to fuck... A lot. Better to accept this than to be in denial and bitter ones whole life. I don't think recreational dating is a good way to go about getting sex. Sex causes too many complications in my view. I think it will ruin all of the benefits of recreational dating because sex causes emotions and emotions cause insanity (I think emotions are insanity). If I needed sex, I … | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/18 03:30 PM |
| 0 | MGTOW and Recreational Datingthis article is written for women by a woman I don't see any indication of that in the article. What's your evidence for that claim? Sell this blue pill crap somewhere else There's no way it's blue pill. Blue pill would be dating for romance without having any understanding of red pill knowledge. Purple pill would be would be dating for romance with full understanding of red pill knowledge. I'm advocating a red pill strategy here. We're talking about giving up on dating for romance completely an… | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/18 03:16 PM |
| 2 | Nature is the greatest con artistA solution would be to just break up with your old girl and get a younger one every time she gets to 30. I don't have a heart of stone. That is cold-hearted. | /r/MGTOW2 | 28/12/18 12:50 PM |
| 2 | Why are these women against love?Why do you care if you're MGTOW? I love studying psychology. I have to work with a lot of women. Knowledge is power. I have some female friends, and I want to understand my female family members. One interesting thing I've found is that women will often admit this ugly stuff about themselves before men will. | /r/MGTOW2 | 26/12/18 03:23 AM |
| 2 | "Just a Girl" by No Doubt is about a woman trying to go her own wayWomen can choose to listen to the hive mind or not I think you're being too callous. I used the term "peer pressure", but in reality it's pressure from family and practically all of society. You're not being fair when you're talking about everyone that's important to a person being a "hive mind." When you feel like you're letting down your parents, grandparents, siblings, friends, and colleagues, it really doesn't matter if they're a "hive mind" or not. It hurts just as much. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/12/18 04:05 PM |
| 4 | "Just a Girl" by No Doubt is about a woman trying to go her own wayYet, all the favoritism and preferential treatment under the law says otherwise. Women have the legal right to go their own way in civilized countries, but peer pressure and cultural norms are often completely different from laws. Consider the example in the original post. I think most American women would call the Chinese woman who immigrated to America a loser just like her friends from high school did. That kind of pressure precludes women from going their own way. That's what "Just a Girl" i… | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/12/18 03:41 PM |
| 1 | "Just a Girl" by No Doubt is about a woman trying to go her own wayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ckv1v9GWRk Jefferson Airplane's "Greasy Heart" is my favorite female anthem.* *It was written by a woman. | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/12/18 01:45 PM |
| 2 | MGTOW has been around, in some form, for centuries. I have been reading up on Taoism lately and that stuff is loaded with MGTOW principles. Consider Thomas Melton take on Chuang Tzu....Jesus and Buddha were MGTOW (assuming they actually existed). | /r/MGTOW2 | 24/12/18 04:19 AM |
| 6 | Thanks guys! Banned from r/mgtow, and was wondering if there was an actual mgtow sub!Yet the public school systems encourage women to act strong I think acting ladylike is acting strong because what it actually means is simply acting like a decent person in a feminine way. I see no weakness in that. What would women be like if they weren't taught and pressured into pretending to be something they're not their whole lives? The description that you just gave is the kind of stuff that gives me nightmares. | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/12/18 09:16 AM |
| 2 | Thanks guys! Banned from r/mgtow, and was wondering if there was an actual mgtow sub!I feel the same way. I bucked the odds and got a great conversation going on r/mgtow: https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/a8530q/women_are_raised_and_pressured_to_be_fake_their/ The post that got me banned there is one I'm proud of. "Women know it's an act." I just changed the first sentence of this thread from "Girls are forced to be 'ladylike...'" to "Girls are forced to act 'ladylike...'" because you opened my eyes. The act is part of the programming women receive from their families. I d… | /r/MGTOW2 | 21/12/18 07:17 AM |
| 4 | Women are raised and pressured to be fake their whole livesWomen know it's an act. I just changed the first sentence of this thread from "Girls are forced to be 'ladylike...'" to "Girls are forced to act 'ladylike...'" because you opened my eyes. The act is part of the programming women receive from their families. I don't know how many times I've heard a parent tell their female child to "act ladylike", but I've never heard a parent tell their female child to "be ladylike." You inspired me to do an Internet search on it, and I found the following. ACT,… | /r/MGTOW | 21/12/18 05:30 AM |
| -1 | Women are raised and pressured to be fake their whole livesIt's not women's fault that they're raised and pressured to be fake their whole lives. They're victims of society. Their mothers know that "ladylike", "attractive" women have lots of power, and being the opposite essentially makes a woman an outcast. It would be parental malpractice to do anything other than raise a girl to be "ladylike" and "attractive." | /r/MGTOW | 21/12/18 02:00 AM |
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