Do you believe that women are equal to men?

newaccountnumber500 · 2012-12-26T09:15:09+00:00

We are or rather should be of equal worth, but obviously neither are treated like that in reality. Women are not taken seriously when expressing their own sense of agency but men are ridiculed when they are robbed of it. Women are objectified on the basis of their sexual worth and men on the basis of their economic worth and their "disposeability". So as you can see we are not equal. However neither does it seem that we want the same things. You can see this by the number of women who choose to go into a career in HR rather than work 70-100 hour weeks in banking and so on. Hence why women dont earn as much as men: they dont want to. In terms of which type of equality we want in order to fix the current inequality? The MRM would have equality of opportunity for all and equality in the justice system. Modern feminism it seems would opt for equality of outcome.

rightsbot · 2012-12-26T09:02:21+00:00

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Demonspawn · 2012-12-26T16:51:49+00:00

No.

Men and women are not equal, they are complementary.

Any system which attempts to treat unequal components as equal fails, for obvious reasons.

wertwertwert · 2012-12-26T09:02:27+00:00

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2012-12-26T15:07:39+00:00

We are not totally equal biologically, but we should be equal in the eyes of the law.

2012-12-26T15:53:59+00:00

First of all: "No."

Is 1 equal to fish? Is an apple equal to an orange? , ok, lets take 2 apples, is a golden delicious equal to a macintosh? Once you divide humans into 'men' and 'women' this very division rules out equality as such.

What about equality of potential, well, no. Men are always going to be stronger. This will cause them to out compete vs women in tasks requiring strength.

If we drill down on specifically the strength of men, the self reliance, we see the strongest people are men, and strength is perceived as a masculine attribute. In sports there are separate leagues for males and females for this reason.

So - women just suck? Calvin was right? well, no.

The basic idea of feminism is, the only work of value in this world is 'mens work' and men, being good at mens work by virtue of their being men, are thus 'privileged' this biological advantage is known as 'patriarchy'

Remember that a core idea of feminism is that gender is a social construct, that it's all social norms. This is the reason that the biological advantages of men have to be spoken of as social ones. The inherent strength of men must be thought of as essentially a conspiracy.

Again, was Calvin right? Nope. Because while girls are raised and taught to seek out male roles in society, the ball has been dropped in all areas where women shine.

Where are our family? Our communities? Our culture? Oh, that's right, they are on tv. We don't have mothers at home, mom works, someone else's mom watches the kid during the day, her children are in school.

Women's strengths are social, they are what make us a people, a culture. As such has been abandoned our culture collapses, our children descend toward savagery.

You may think 'woman's work' is a insulting phrase, but look around you at what has happened as generations of women have not done it. Woman's work is badly needed. Men will never be able to do it as well, just as women can not do mens work as well.

RobWilard · 2012-12-26T10:12:32+00:00

It doesn't matter what I believe to be true. What matters is what works. If a group of people find that adopting one specific belief makes them more successful than other groups, for whatever reason, then the belief itself will tend to be successful. Until things change and a new belief is found to work better. The belief that women can contribute more to the productive life of a community while men continue to be largely excluded from its reproductive life works better now than the age-old division-of-labour belief, in the main because technological progress has enabled it. I don't see how that can be labelled as equality, myself, but I accept that other people use the label in this way. (In my vocabulary, electrons are about the most complicated things that can be called 'equal'. It's not much to aspire to.) In time, technological progress will probably enable men to reproduce by themselves. Another word will then need to be hi-jacked to describe the resulting social upheaval, I guess.

2012-12-26T14:25:56+00:00

I think you have to define equal. Clearly most women are different from most men, but no two people are exactly the same, not even twins, so the concept as applied to people doesn't make much sense. But if the question is, should they equal rights, I think that is self-evident to start with. Till you realise that we really at the most basic biological level do not have equal abilities because women gestate babies, and men can't. Men can't stop women from gestating babies without using a savage level of violence, and they can't make women gestate babies without laws. So then I wonder what equal rights really means. I believe that in a civilized society we would all have an equal right to live, eat, and have a roof over our heads, and not be tortured. Beyond that, I'm not sure the concept is very meaningful.

Title	Do you believe that women are equal to men?
Author	wertwertwert
Upvotes	0
Comments	15
Date	December 26, 2012 9:00 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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