Attacking Male Sexuality

builtbro · 2012-09-28T23:44:03+00:00

This is pitch perfect and should have many more upvotes. I have had my disagreements with AVfM and JtO individually, but on this topic they, and specifically John, have been wholly in the right; and as a gay dude, I very much appreciate the continued support.

/r/mensrights is essentially totally on the right page with respect to this issue largely due, I suspect, to the younger average age of users and very large atheist contingent. Outside of places like this, there are still the occasional bigoted traditionalist religious commentators (I'm thinking of barbarossaaaa, chapin's whateverthefuck, and RockingMrE) who need their reactionary attitudes challenged.

Grapeban · 2012-09-29T00:04:13+00:00

When men are not expected to die without complaint any time higher gas prices make it inconvenient for soccer moms to drive from their gated community to the local grass pitch, or any other time men’s utility trumps their humanity, well then maybe I’ll entertain the usefulness of keeping the gays or the darkies out of the club house. On the other hand, maybe I’ll still think it’s a stupid argument. But I do know that for a so called men’s rights movement to marginalize men based on who they want in their bed – well, it’s beneath us.

Huh, weird, you said this exact same thing a year ago, nice copypaste there man. I believe I criticised it at the time, but let's avoid that for now.

This is a strange article that rambles from a typical rant about male identity, in true MGTOW, to a call for less homophobic MRAs, that second things being admirable I'm happy to admit that.

But back to this idea about "male identity", I think it's always interesting how MGTOW's always reject a "female approved" male identity, which I think is curious, what about "male approved"?

Because a huge amount of social pressure on men to act in certain ways comes from both men and women, from certain coughshitcough feminists as well as from traditionally patriarchal institutions such as, say, the Catholic Church. What does this tell us when we see a large sway of society pressuring men to act in certain ways?

That this "male identity" isn't being created by women, or feminists, or our collectivist government (I assume the Canadian government? JTO is Canadian right?) but rather by our collective societal culture and history. But MGTOWs never talk about that, they never condemn general society, they always focus on feminists, who out of all groups are probably the best at wanting to strip down gender roles placed on both men and women.

Final note, I hate it when people call women "sexual gate-keepers", it implies that being a "sexual gatekeeper" is a bad thing. No, no it isn't, in a society which values consent then everyone is their own "sexual gatekeeper" and their say is final. Criticising a group for being gatekeepers implies that they should be less strict about the autonomy of their consent.

Title	Attacking Male Sexuality
Author	johntheother
Upvotes	37
Comments	6
Date	September 28, 2012 10:14 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/10n3lz/attacking_male_sexuality/
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