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Back from the FAQ : Mainstream acceptance is for losers

theozoph

October 17, 2011

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Title	Back from the FAQ : Mainstream acceptance is for losers
Author	theozoph
Upvotes	5
Comments	10
Date	October 17, 2011 1:30 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/lf3di/back_from_the_faq_mainstream_acceptance_is_for/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/back-from-the-faq-mainstream-acceptance-is-for.1032987 https://theredarchive.com/post/1032987

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[–]theozoph[S] 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

[–]Demonspawn 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

[–]theozoph[S] 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Being the fly in the ointment has its tactical value, but on the strategic level you have to be constructive too, or there is no alternative to turn to when the unjust social order collapses.

All too often, you offer nothing but vitriol and misrepresentation, Demonspawn. "Women are leaches (sic) on civilization"? Really?

There is complementarity between the sexes, and every society needs both to do their job to thrive. Just because feminism has fucked up the old social order, doesn't mean that men have been sterling examples of moral character in this scenario.

The dark brother of feminism has been an elitist social order that has instrumentalized feminist hatred to atomize society, and sucked the life out of individuals in a mad dash to the top. Pure selfishness has been the root of both movements, and you're not helping us by furthering the division it has created.

Women have to be saved from feminism as much as men. The way to destroy that ideology is not to bow to the mainstream, but to become the mainstream.

[–]Demonspawn -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

All too often, you offer nothing but vitriol and misrepresentation

Apparently you didn't read the entire post. Nice cherry pick.

There is complementarity between the sexes, and every society needs both to do their job to thrive.

Yep, but feminism and multiculturalism are destroying the idea that we even have jobs to do.

men have been sterling examples of moral character in this scenario.

Never said that they have, but they've been doing their jobs for a lot longer than women have.

Pure selfishness has been the root of both movements, and you're not helping us by furthering the division it has created.

Because there is nothing but division. There is no solution to fix the problem. You have to destroy what currently exists in order to allow for something new to grow. There is no going back.

The way to destroy that ideology is not to bow to the mainstream, but to become the mainstream.

The only way to become the mainstream is for what is currently the mainstream to collapse. The only way any semblance of self-responsibility (for anyone other than straight-white-males) to return to the mainstream is either for those with self-responsibility to leave the rest of the masses to their own self-destruction, or to revolt and enforce it upon the rest. Expat or Revolution... that it. Those are the only solutions other than to turtle in a safe location and wait for the collapse then try to build something out of what remains.

The only thing that can stop feminism is feminism itself... when it destroys the host culture. The only other recorded way is a religious resurgence, and I don't see one of those coming.

[–]theozoph[S] 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]Demonspawn -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

For the rest, I think you are basically giving up in the first round.

Were the alchemists who stopped attempting to turn lead into gold "giving up the first round"?

I told you the answers: Revolt, Expat, Turtle. The problem is, even here in the MRM, we have too many liberals still pushing the "we can be equal, I know we can!" idiocy which will lead nowhere other than the subjection of men and the self-destruction of the society we are in. As long as we are discussing "how to be equal" or "how to redefine masculinity" we aren't doing anything productive.

Until we can get a critical mass of men willing to overthrow this government and re-institute a Constitutional Republic and outlaw the women's vote... all that's left is the individual solutions of Expat or Turtle. Do you think we have that critical mass yet?

So, yes.. my contribution is to continue pointing that out, and having it harped about time and time again until enough people get the message. You do realize that is the exact reason Glenn Sacks closed and deleted comments to his blog, correct? Too many people there were starting to understand the root cause and that the problems could not be fixed without removing the root cause.

[–]theozoph[S] 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That answer has been passed around survivalists, cults and white nationalists for more than 60 years, now. "The Rapture is coming! Babylon will fall! On its ashes we will build our Utopia!"

Yeah, I'll pass. Simple answers to complex problems aren't my cup of tea. Your argument ignores technological advances, caricatures sex roles, and looks like a finger painting of our understanding of civilization.

If your portray was accurate, Islam would have conquered the world by now, and would be the most advanced culture on the planet. Instead, it is a backward-looking cesspool of infighting, and the gentler white knight christian culture is the one that truly spans the globe.

Obviously, you are missing a few parameters. Well, enjoy the rants and the company of kooks. I'll be trying to get our asses out of feminist hands while you wait for the Apocalypse.

[–]Demonspawn -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]theozoph[S] 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Demonspawn 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link