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How the panic over rape was orchestrated (UK).

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February 18, 2011

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Title	How the panic over rape was orchestrated (UK).
Author	AntiFeministMedia
Upvotes	29
Comments	10
Date	February 18, 2011 2:02 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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[–]Pissinginasink 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

[–]AntiFeministMedia[S] 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

[–]Pissinginasink 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]AntiFeministMedia[S] 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It does seem low, but it is normal.

Are you aware of how feminists have been using the '6% conviction rate myth' ? to blame the police and the judiciary of institutional sexism and of falling victims of rape?

They have deliberatley been using misleading statistics to fool the public.

http://antifeministmedia.blogspot.com/2011/01/stern-review-2010-report-by-baroness_28.html

If you scroll half way down to 'The conviction rate has taken over the debate', Baroness Stern explains it, in her 2010 report 'The Stern Review - A Report by Baroness Vivien Stern CBE Of An Independant Review Into How Rape Complaints Are Handled By Public Authorities In England And Wales.'

It can be quite taxing to understand at first, but once you understand it, its quite amazing to think that feminists and womens groups have been doing this.

[–]Pissinginasink 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Surely any tactic to increase the likelihood of victims of rape coming foreward, both female and male, and perpetrators being convicted, again both female and male, is a good thing? That's how I see it, do you not see it this way?

I haven't seen any evidence, or even much speculation, to suggest that increased funding for specialist training, and an increase in knowledge in general across the board with regards to the law, has increased false allegations. Isn't that what the outcome was of the use of the 6% statistic? I'm still not suggesting it was correct to use misleading information, in fact I stand by what I said before that it cannot be excused because giving people the correct information may have made politicians decide to prioritise another issue. Also the fact that it may originally have put victims off from coming forward is certainly an issue.

Also, I'm not an expert, but again isn't a 6% rate of attrition pretty bad? I realise that there isn't any way to contextualise this, but if 94% of claimants' cases are dropped through various factors doesn't that indicate a problem?

[–]AntiFeministMedia[S] 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I dont see it that way, because men and boys have been demonized as potential rapists. You may have seen the recent superbowl advert that depicted a baby boy as a potential rapist, this is what happens when we allow these feminist groups to twist the truth, and manipulate statistics.

In Britain, WAR (Women Against Rape) have been a group shouting the 6% conviction rate for years. And I did some research on them, and it appears they have been taking public grant money from our national lottery to promote this 6 per cent figure. They have claimed over £200,000 since 2005. Groups like WAR need to exaggerate the problem to justify their existance. If they dont , then they wouldnt get the money. And thats what its about for a lot of these career feminists.

Im certainly not against better police and judicial procedure for complainants of rape, but I think its wrong to do it in the way its been done.

Another stat the feminists and womens organisations throw around is that only 11% of rape's ever get reported. That is a flawed stat. Its from The British Crime Survey, which says that on average, only 11% of all crime is ever reported. But there are 2 problems with this. The first is that rape to a woman can be a subjective thing. In cases of false rape allegations for example, many times, a false-allegation is made to the police when there has been consensual sex between a man and woman, but there after, the man rejects the woman by not calling her back or seeing her again, and she feels hurt. She feels she's been betrayed. Professor Kanins study shows that rejection is one of the main 3 factors in false rape reporting. There are also false-rape allegations made where a woman has got drunk, had consensual sex, but has no recollection of the event, and assumes shes been raped.

The British Crime Survey, imo, is not to be taken as fact, when it comes to the unique crime of rape. There are simply to many things going on in this issue to take survey results and cite them as fact.

Not just that problem, but also, rape, I would imagine, is a life changing experience, (I talk about this in my third and final blog post on Stern, on my blog), I do not honestly believe that 90% of rapes go unreported. Here in Britain, we have the best police force and judiciary in the world imo. I understand that some women dont report out of shame, or some other issue, but I simply do not believe that 90% dont report. And it goes the other way, these people that 'claim' 90% dont report, well that claim cannot be backed up. The simple truth is neither group know, but I cannot see 90% of women not reporting a rape. The range of services on offer, the fact that most women now earn their own money etc etc.

Just to clarify, the attrition rate is all cases of rape recorded by the police that dont end in a conviction. So the attrition rate is 94%. But, and here's the thing, current thinking in Britain is that around 8-10% of that 94% is provably false rape-allegations. Thats a minimum figure for false-accusations (it could be considerably higher). another 20% in that attrition number is women that withdraw their claim for some reason (maybe they dont want to proceed through the system, or it was perhaps a false-claim and they now realize the gravity of contnued action, or perhaps they were raped but dont want to get their husband/boyfriend into trouble etc) Another 25% of cases dont go forward for lack of evidence (possible false-rape allegations, the complainant left it too long to go go the police etc). 15% dont go forward for other reasons (possibly police incompetence). 26% of cases proceed to court. of that 26%, 6% are convicted (actually its 55% when the conviction rate is calculated properly, not as a percentage of all recorded rapes to the police, but as a percentage of cases at the prosecution stage, and found to be rapes by a jury in a court of law, again that is 55%).

So, there are many reasons why the attrition rate is high, and its not possible to take many of these cases to court, sometimes because women themselves withdraw the allegations. WAR (Women Against Rape, who I talked about earlier, claim that 94% attrition rate is largley due to sexism in the police force and judiciary. But again, they need to exaggerate the problems or they dont get the money.

[–]Pissinginasink 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Your post is well written, and I appreciate your breakdown of the many statistics you've presented. One thing I would say is that you seem to present rape as a female only issue? Surely WAR are not the only campaigning group to have used the statistics incorrectly/misleadingly? Women are not the only gender group that might withdraw their claim, nor are they the only gender group that make false allegations, nor are husband/boyfriends the only people a victim may wish to protect. Surely wives/girlfriends are also in this group?

It still seems to me that a 94% attrition rate seems very high. Even allowing for 40% of cases being withdrawn because the claimant's allegation, whether they be female or male, was falsified and they had an attack of conscience, that still leaves 54% of cases going unpunished. Whilst anyone has the right to not prioritise rape over any other issue, surely we can't blame groups who DO find it the most important issue for using shock tactics? As far as I'm aware every group does this, particularly in politics. Isn't it a shame that they need to?

I didn't see the superbowl advert unfortunately, but I will look it up. I don't really see though how trying to improve the attrition and perhaps the conviction rate in this specific instance of using a falsified statistic is demonising men? It seems more like it's trying to demonise rapists? Rapists may be male in a lot of cases, so perhaps this is how is demonises men? But isn't it mostly demonising rapists and those that tolerate rape? From my own research into WAR these two categories are clearly defined.

[–]AntiFeministMedia[S] 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

But when war claim that only 11% of victims report, that makes people think that there are huge numbers of men raping women in back alleys and parks late at night. It sends out a message that the guy next door, or just down the street, or any man could be a potential rapist, and that simply isnt true.

And it has the effect of making women themselves frightened about men, Baroness Stern says the 6% figure may well have put genuine victims of rape off reporting the crime. There are too many bad consequences of using that stat, and its irresponsible of WAR and similar groups to parade it as fact, without context.

Its not like police and judicial procedure wouldnt get better if these womens groups stopped giving out false stats. Rape is a serious crime, as is murder, as are other serious crimes.

I dont know wether WAR are the only womens anti-rape group quoting the 6% conviction rate myth, but they are certainly the ones pushing it in the mainstream media, in the online newspapers. I suspect others are using it, aswell as the other misleading stats, but I havent checked them out yet. But it wouldnt suprise me if the other groups are still using that stat, even after it was condemed by Baroness Stern almost a year ago. I have noticed, that WAR are now starting to say instead the 'low conviction rate for recorded rapes'. Well, to my mind they have added the recorded part in their so as to be technically true, but its still hugely cynical, because a conviction rate is not worked out by the total number of reported crimes, but prosecutions Vs convictions. I fail to believe they dont understand the attrition rate/conviction rate issue.

But believe me, there is no 'rape culture' where men (as a group) think its acceptable to rape women simply because they deserve it, thats a myth. You put a convicted rapist in a room with 2 other men, and he's in serious trouble. As regards WAR, I get the feeling they dont really care about facts, or consequences, even when that harms genuine victims of rape. Its a sad state of affairs that a group who put themselves across as working for victims of rape conduct themselves like this.

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[–]shady8x 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link