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Feminist Hero's

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December 25, 2010

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Title	Feminist Hero's
Author	avoiceformen
Upvotes	1
Comments	13
Date	December 25, 2010 3:17 PM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/erb0y/feminist_heros/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/feminist-heros.1044954 https://theredarchive.com/post/1044954

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[–]cait-sith 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]thebanalityofevil 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

[–]thetrollking 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]thebanalityofevil -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]avoiceformen[S] 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps, but of course I have seen countless feminists over the years, when confronted with the absolutely unambiguous hate emanating from their mainstream members, just look the other way e.g.

“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” – Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor

and

"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” -– Valerie Solanas

and

“The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.” — Sharon Stone

and

“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart

And the list goes on and on and on. I also note that no feminist icons have publicly distanced themselves from these kinds of statements. And the general response from feminists on the street is something as inane as "I am not that kind of feminist," or "NAFALT.:

So the net result here is that feminists practice hate in the open and simply just deny it when challenged about it. They get to use hate speech without ever taking responsibility for it.

That is why I don't care what feminists think or how they are treated. Feminists are pigs and liars, all of them, no exceptions, and they deserve to be regarded and treated like pigs and liars. They are corrupt ideologues spreading poison to anyone who will listen- no different at all than the KKK.

Fortunately, the death of their bigoted mentality is now inevitable, or at the very least their ouster from civilized society, as with the KKK. I will happily watch the world piss on their graves when it happens.

Oh, and do I think the government is complicit in all this? Yes, no doubt about it. But no bother. If you don't understand feminism well enough to see the hate that festers in it, you aren't going to see the slightly less obvious either.

[–]thebanalityofevil 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I also note that no feminist icons have publicly distanced themselves from these kinds of statements. And the general response from feminists on the street is something as inane as "I am not that kind of feminist," or "NAFALT.

Absolutely untrue. Feminists such as bell hooks and other more liberal feminists have actually publicly released their rejection of the radical feminist stance. I've read a number of these in their original.

I don't see the point in engaging further with your clearly irrational and unsubstantiated perspective, though. But it's a shame that you feel the need to make blatantly, and possibly deliberately, false statements about what feminism is and what feminists stand for. I recommend actually reading what feminist have actually said and written before you start claiming to speak for them or knowing what they stand for.

[–]thetrollking 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]avoiceformen[S] 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]thebanalityofevil -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]avoiceformen[S] 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They set the terms in a lot of ways.

The general perception of a wage gap that does not exist.
The creation of no fault divorce, which allows totally innocent men to be stripped of everything by opportunistic, capricious wives.
The obsession with women's health when it is men's health in dire need of attention.
The general perception that DV almost exclusively affects women.

Oh, there is more, but let me for now just add the really popular but no less erroneous idea that men collectively still, OR EVER DID, hold all the power. You see, there is HUGE difference between all men holding power and the fact that the majority of power holders (one kind of power, anyway) happen to be men.

Let me say it for the ten millionth time. THE VAST MAJORITY OF ALL MEN ARE NOT POWERFUL. They never were. Most men just try to survive, take care of their families, and suffer feminist slanders for having the same genitalia that the people in actual power do.

Most men are much more powerless than women. Men are the ones expected to face dangerous and deadly nobs to take care of women. Men are still the ones expected to fill the role of cannon fodder to protect their governments and corporations. And they have been forced to do this, either by social pressure, by government force, or both, for eons.

Whoever told you this was power lied to you.

It isn't the Illuminati, it is men still be forced into gender roles that women have been freed from BY MEN IN POWER. How is that for irony?

Wake up, cupcake. You have no concept of what power is, other than what you were told on CNN, or by your women's studies professor.

[–]thebanalityofevil -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Alright, first of all I completely agree that most people, men and women, lack the power to do more than take care of their basic needs, and if lucky the needs of their loved ones. I'm a class warrior every bit as much as you, I'd wager.

However just because most men have less power than certain very powerful men, it does not logically follow that these same men don't have more power than most women. Just because you feel powerless does not entitle you to then wield your power over those who happen to hold less than you. In social situations it is still men who hold the power due to social relations that have been ingrained in us all for generations. I've witnessed it a million times as women acquiesce to whatever it is men want in most traditional situations. The vast majority of men (yourself included, as you've managed to hammer home) still possess a sense of entitlement handed to them, and never earned.

I'm well aware that most men do the most dangerous jobs of all in our societies. Usually there's so much sexism in those industries that they'd never accept a women, nor would one want to enter into that type of job environment, so stop pretending that it is women who are sending men out to risk themselves for the benefit of women. The same goes for wars. Women weren't even allowed to fight for most of the history of our nations. Or vote, or do much of anything else.

Women have been, and are treated as less equal in so many ways in our societies. You are going to say that they are all fine and equal now, they were given the vote, and they should quit complaining. You probably say that about black people too, right? Slavery was abolished, why do the blacks keep complaining about equality. They get the same chances everyone else does, blah blah blah. Seriously, do you honestly believe that such systemic inequality can possibly be eradicated in such a short period of time (we're talking less than a hundred years ago, people are still alive today that were around then). It's time you quit taking this shit personally, and start recognizing the privileges that you actually have in the world. No, these privileges will not necessarily directly translate into success or power. Not for every single individual who possesses them. Other forces still come into play (class being a very big one). These privileges simply increase the chances that you will be able to succeed. And in certain situations they will ensure that you are treated in a very different way than if you were say, black, or a woman.

Also, I've never suggested that men aren't forced into gender roles every bit as much as women are. If you actually knew what was occurring in feminist discourses you would know that the construction of the male gender is becoming as important a focus of study as the female gender.

Divorce is not even worth debating, because the vast majority of abuse that goes on in marriages is perpetrated by the male. Very little of it is perpetrated by women, and that is after taking into account the under-reporting that can be linked to the social constructions of masculinity. Women continue to get the short end of the stick when it comes to divorce. Since often in marriages they have are not allowed to hold jobs, and have little or nothing in the way of support circles due to controlling husbands and the demands of keeping a family. This means that if they do end up getting a divorce they have no job experience, typically have possession of the kids (since they were the only one with a meaningful relationship with them because fathers feel the need to be either out working, out playing golf, or out drinking with their buddies), and thus have little in the way of job prospects. And again, I know that the reason that fathers act this way is because this is how they have learned to be men, it's all a perpetuation of gender roles that is entirely unhealthy, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and doesn't mean it's not damaging to men, women, and their kids.

Like I said before, feminism absolutely includes the challenges faced by men in their socialization. But there is also a level of agency that has to be considered as well. Yes, we have been taught to act a certain way, and those social forces continue to be put upon us throughout our lives, but we can still make changes and opt to see things differently, including ourselves. To hide behind the excuse that this is just how we are raised suggests a weakness that we, as men, were raised to pretend does not exist. Kind of a paradox when you think about it.

[–]avoiceformen[S] 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

You really are brainwashed. I mean terribly. First this:

However just because most men have less power than certain very powerful men, it does not logically follow that these same men don't have more power than most women.

Nobody said that. But you cannot demonstrate that the average man has more power than the average women. In fact, I can demonstrate the opposite is true when you consider historical conscription and relegation to death jobs in order to transfer resources to women. You are fooling no one but yourself and the dwindling numbers of fembots by calling that a male advantage. Your credibility as victim is over because more people, especially women, are starting to wake up to the difference between protection and unfair discrimination.

Your "evidence" of generalized male power here is just nonsense; a bunch of platitudes that mean absolutely nothing. Like the following:

In social situations it is still men who hold the power due to social relations that have been ingrained in us all for generations. I've witnessed it a million times as women acquiesce to whatever it is men want in most traditional situations. The vast majority of men (yourself included, as you've managed to hammer home) still possess a sense of entitlement handed to them, and never earned.

What load of meaningless, laughable drivel. And precisely why ever fewer women will self identify as feminist.

You are talking in circles, dealing only in insinuation and actually saying nothing, just like your claim that all these female warriors in waiting are being held back by evil males from dying and getting maimed and psychologically destroyed; that it is an artifact of discrimination against women by men, not a system of protection at men's expense.

Like I said before. Pigs and liars; all of you, to the last feminist feminist cow whose shelf life is long past expiration.

You have been so used to saying whatever you want without being challenged that you are now subject to being caught with your pants down every time you open up with this bullshit.

Your entire post was nonsense, even for a feminist.

Some of your sisters are now catching on the the fact that they are having to reframe some of this garbage in ways that make the lies less obvious, but you appear to be out of the loop. I like that.

Keep roaring, cupcake; keep digging that hole; I'll be there to toss the last shovel full of your dirt right back down on your head.

[–]thetrollking 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link