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MensRights reddit, a place for misogyny or promoting Men's Rights?

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October 7, 2008

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Title	MensRights reddit, a place for misogyny or promoting Men's Rights?
Author	outsider
Upvotes	4
Comments	73
Date	October 7, 2008 8:11 PM UTC (17 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]outsider[S] 13 points14 points15 points 17 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

[–]Seele 8 points9 points10 points 17 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]NoComment7 6 points7 points8 points 17 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]sylvan 7 points8 points9 points 17 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago* (24 children) | Copy Link

I've been begging other people to make posts. If you have posts to make, then make them.

I see people argued with you about marriage. I would have too, but I was apparently away at the time. I have for years maintained that marriage in the USA is a bad deal for men, and I don't think my opinion will change, unless the laws do. I also don't think they'll change, at least not without a great deal of activism by MRA groups. The family courts are gender biased against men. VAWA, I-VAWA, IMBRA, etc., have taken things too far, imo. If you disagree, argue, but don't troll.

By the time men start entertaining "Mens Rights" commentary, either here or in other forums, they've likely been hurt a bit, and it shows. It's not true of all of them, but their pain may be the thing that drove them here in the first place. To be fair, though, you'll see plenty of male-oriented hatred from feminist clans as well. You'll also see them in television ads pushing everything from internet access to HDTVs to fast food.

I've said many times: there's an open-sub policy. I haven't banned more than 4 people, but have for trolling and spamming. If you dislike the content, add some that you think fits here.

[–]dryice 4 points5 points6 points 17 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]outsider[S] 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago* (21 children) | Copy Link

I abstain from a number of conversations in this reddit because it seems like a big "hate women fest."

Comments like the following are not scarce here:

chicks are like that. it's really all about them in their heads, they only claim to be doing it all for you, cause they think you're stupid. and the ones that fall for that, are. avoid chicks. they stink.

or this

very good advice. it's a rigged game, spun to you as a fraud called 'love'. it's a scam. 'love' is the bait (biochemical process that WEARS OFF), leaving YOU vulnerable to the whims of delusional emotional sociopathic idiots (chicks). it's all about THEM, though they use everything around them to clothe themselves as the opposite of that. EVERYTYING they do, they contend they do it for you...blowing your money on shoes and makeup included. every bad thing is YOUR fault, every good thing is to their credit. fuck them (or rather...don't) EZPZ. and you can laugh later...with me, when their unsustainable scam comes crashing down along with all their USELESS attempts at 'helping' others with USELESS 'businesses'. chicks are a WASTE of EVERYTHING, contrary to their PR blurbs.

Or when simple statistics are brought up the opposition goes silent and the downmods begin.

Seriously a lot of the comments come across as the same sort of bile I heard in high-school anytime a guy hit on a girl and got rejected. This isn't advancing men's rights or it's awareness it's just creating hatred for no good reason other than one's gender. If you are as bad as the men hating feminists you are doing the same disservice towards men's rights that they do towards women's rights and in fact ostracizing women who would otherwise fully agree with you that men get the blunt end of a lot of things these days.

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[–]outsider[S] 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

[–]Legolas-the-elf -2 points-1 points0 points 17 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Legolas-the-elf 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Next time you see someone ranting about how women are bad try making a level headed response that amounts to "not all women are idiots" and see where that gets you.

You seem to have switched subjects. You started out claiming that:

I see what seems like a majority of comments where anyone who isn't insulting women in chided, downmodded, told to piss off.

You posted two comments that insult women as examples of this.

But comments like that are a minority in this subreddit, and they are usually voted down. When I pointed this out, you switched to saying something very different. Now you are saying something about responses to those comments. Not only are you very vague about it, you haven't offered any examples - there are no responses to those comments you linked to earlier.

There are not "a majority of comments where anyone who isn't insulting women is chided, downmodded, told to piss off". This is plainly evident from just skimming this subreddit for five minutes. So did you misspeak, or do you insist otherwise, or what?

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[–]Legolas-the-elf 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

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[–]outsider[S] 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]garyp714 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link

[–]sylvan 10 points11 points12 points 17 years ago* (18 children) | Copy Link

I disagree. There are legal and political issues that negatively affect men, that men need to address by identifying those issues, examining them, and determining valid and promising courses of action. To me, that's what this subreddit should be about. What do I need to know, and what specific, positive actions can I take to address it?

Turning into women-haters makes us no better or different than the feminist extremists some point to as objectionable. Denigrating women endorses and justifies the denigration of men. Painting women as "the enemy" supports the notion of a gender war.

If it's ok for men to "steam, cuss, scream, and yell", then we should never, ever take the rantings of extremist feminists to be representative of the ideology of the movement, because clearly they are just doing the same. However, people do do that, and you can expect opponents of men's rights to do exactly the same. Like it or not, anything said here, is representative of men's rights supporters. It shouldn't be, but it becomes part of the corpus of MR by simple association.

Misogyny is just as unacceptable as misandry, and either individual articles or behavior in aggregate that promotes it should be considered as reprehensible as misandric articles posted in feminisms, for example.

If someone completely neutral wanted to understand what Men's Rights is about and came to this reddit to find out, what impression would they get by reading the front page of articles?

And objecting to some behavior or content on this subreddit, does not mean one is hostile to men's rights.

[–]garyp714 -3 points-2 points-1 points 17 years ago* (17 children) | Copy Link

To me, that's what this subreddit should be about. What do I need to know, and what specific, positive actions can I take to address it?

Agreed. But I also think there is more to a men's subreddit than "identifying those issues, examining them, and determining valid and promising courses of action"

There's things that can't necessarily be quantified and dealt with in such a prim and proper fashion - things like anger, self-hatred, emotional development, emotional release - these things are also going on in this reddit and I for one wouldn't want to quash that by becoming didactic and focused on specific results.

Turning into women-haters makes us no better or different than the feminist extremists

You're into a slight bit of hyperbole here. Of course there is plenty of misogyny here on reddit but it's in all subreddits not just men's rights (if u frequented the POLITICS subreddit during the Democratic Primaries you would have been sickened) and should be dealt with on a case by case basis.

If it's ok for men to "steam, cuss, scream, and yell", then we should never, ever take the rantings of extremist feminists to be representative of the ideology of the movement

I NEVER take one person's rant as a representative of a whole so we're in agreement here. Anyone that does should probably grow up.

If someone completely neutral wanted to understand what Men's Rights is about and came to this reddit to find out, what impression would they get by reading the front page of articles?

Are you serious? You do realize you are on the internets, right? What gets onto the pages of reddit is very often NOT indicative of the group - same for 4chan, yahooanswers or any of the places groups congregate on the web.

And objecting to some behavior or content on this subreddit, does not mean one is hostile to men's rights.

This argument has been going on for a while now and many of the opponents fighting AGAINST (yes I mean that, some people are arguing against a men's subreddit)are trolling the area quite heavily.

As a man who has gone through intensive emotional recovery from years of childhood neglect and eons of MALE patterns, I am very protective of this reddit and for men in general. Anything going on in this reddit short of outright nastiness is part of the constructive healing going on for men overall.

Men have started opening up and exploring their emotions, they have begun opening the windows and shining light into their souls - millions of them - and I celebrate that in any form it comes - and I will not become a rule maker or support someone who tries to make rules that kill the spirit of free expression that men in general so desperately need.

[–]sylvan 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago* (16 children) | Copy Link

There's things that can't necessarily be quantified and dealt with in such a prim and proper fashion - things like anger, self-hatred, emotional development, emotional release - these things are also going on in this reddit and I for one wouldn't want to quash that by becoming didactic and focused on specific results.

This is a site for posting news & article links. It's not a support group nor a "safe" environment. It's very public. Confrontation and opposing opinions are common.

You do realize you are on the internets, right?

No, I'm on Reddit. Difference.

What gets onto the pages of reddit is very often NOT indicative of the group

The content of the main page is a result of the collective action of the participants. Reddits are both moderated and the result of user voting. Additionally, the general tone of the site depends on the most prolific posters. qgyh2 sets the general tone for Reddit. pn6 does it for MR. If anti-women articles get voted up here, then it's perfectly accurate to say that the majority of MR participants are anti-women.

Of course there is plenty of misogyny here on reddit but it's in all subreddits not just men's rights

Firstly, that doesn't excuse it, secondly, I and others subscribe to MR not to get a daily dose of women-hating, but rather to see articles that are relevant to the political issue of men's rights.

if u frequented the POLITICS subreddit during the Democratic Primaries you would have been sickened

I did, and I wasn't. From what I saw, people opposed Hillary because of her policies and character, not her gender.

I am very protective of this reddit and for men in general. Anything going on in this reddit short of outright nastiness is part of the constructive healing going on for men overall.

Again, this is a public space where anyone can read, and anyone can post, supportive or not. It's not a private therapy group.

Additionally, if anything "short of outright nastiness" is OK in your opinion in the interests of "constructive healing", then consider this: women have been largely oppressed by social norms for thousands of years. That oppression has just been (mostly) lifted in the last 50 years, an eyeblink in world history. That means that T-Shirts that say "Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them", portrayals of men in TV comedies as incompetent boobs, and general denigration of men by women should be considered completely acceptable, because it's part of women's "healing process".

I say it's not acceptable. So, because I believe in fairness, it's not acceptable for us either. Misandry and misogyny both are as contemptible as racism, and having had personal negative experiences doesn't justify it.

or support someone who tries to make rules that kill the spirit of free expression that men in general so desperately need.

Who's making rules? I and others are expressing our opinion, that misogyny is not acceptable and an embarrassment to us, and reflects poorly by association on anyone who supports the idea of MR.

What if the feminisms Reddit was a constant stream of news articles about male murderers, rapists, war criminals, child molesters and other criminals, stories that had nothing directly related to women's rights? We'd think the women in /feminisms/ were just looking for excuses to hate men, right? The same goes for here.

[–]Legolas-the-elf 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link

[–]sylvan 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

[–]Legolas-the-elf 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

[–]sylvan 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Are you denying implying that this subreddit is all about hating women too?

Yes, because I've never said it is.

There are posts and content that can be construed as misogynistic, and steady stream of articles that aren't about advancing or protecting men's interests or rights, but are simply excuses to view women as The Enemy. I have not said these make up the majority of posts; but their presence can give an impression to a new user, whether or not they're sympathetic to the idea of men's rights, that this subreddit is filled with a bunch of women-haters.

I remain subscribed to this subreddit in spite of that kind of content because I believe issues of men's rights matter, and I hope that the quality of the content can be improved.

The same is not true for women

I disagree. We have women's prisons, and sensational news stories about catfights abound. Mean Girls and The Devil Wears Prada are examples of mainstream representations of The Bitch archetype.

it can be seen to achieve something rather than simply being an attack.

And what I and others keep trying to point out is that what this achieves is making us all look like women-haters, and making this subreddit very unpleasant to subscribe to. I periodically go through and downvote everything that isn't clearly and explicitly related to and issue of men's social or legal rights because I'm sick of seeing it. I don't care that some woman committed a crime somewhere, that's not a men's rights issue. That's a criminal issue.

garyp714 suggested above that posting this sort of thing, or airing angry and antagonistic views of women is a cathartic form of self-healing. I pointed out that if this justifies misogyny, then women, the recipients of thousands of years of social domination, are perfectly entitled to behave in the same way, and that all forms of male-bashing we see in media are just expressions of this same healing process.

I don't however believe that male-bashing is acceptable because the boys and young men growing up today were never perpetrators of any injustice, and so should not be psychologically attacked for simply being male. In just the same way, anti-women attitudes are harmful to women. Posting a bunch of examples of Women Behaving Badly isn't "dispelling the illusion that women are dainty and perfect", it's creating a new negative stereotype.

[–]Legolas-the-elf -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

What if the feminisms Reddit was a constant stream of news articles about male murderers, rapists, war criminals, child molesters and other criminals, stories that had nothing directly related to women's rights? We'd think the women in /feminisms/ were just looking for excuses to hate men, right? The same goes for here.

The same doesn't go for here unless you think that the men's rights subreddit is a constant stream of news articles about women behaving badly.

That's how you are implying that this subreddit is all about hating women. You are taking it as a given when you use the feminisms analogy to explain why people think such things about the men's rights subreddit.

The same is not true for women

I disagree. We have women's prisons, and sensational news stories about catfights abound. Mean Girls and The Devil Wears Prada are examples of mainstream representations of The Bitch archetype.

Yes, people universally accept that a woman can be bitchy. But there is widespread resistance to the idea that a woman can be a rapist or murderer. If you prod people, they may verbally acknowledge it, but it doesn't really sink in. They set it aside in their head as an oddity, a freak of nature.

When a man commits a horrific crime, people tend to talk about what kind of punishment he deserves. When a woman commits a horrific crime, people tend to ask what made her do it. Because the idea that a woman can do horrific things of her own volition is still a foreign concept to so many people.

I don't care that some woman committed a crime somewhere, that's not a men's rights issue.

You're right, it's not. But the prejudice that men face because people resist the idea of women doing terrible things is a men's rights issue, and those submissions are an attempt to address that.

In any case, this has all been discussed before in the FAQ submission, so I suggest if you want to argue this particular point, that's the place to do it.

[–]sylvan 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You are taking it as a given when you use the feminisms analogy to explain why people think such things about the men's rights subreddit.

No, I'm not. I'm explaining how the presence of that kind of material creates an impression of what "Men's Rights" is about. I do not believe it is or should be about attempting to portray women in general as evil, or building up negative stereotypes.

Saying that we can do it but /feminisms/ can't is inherently sexist.

the idea that a woman can do horrific things of her own volition is still a foreign concept to so many people.

Susan Smith. Andrea Yates.

this has all been discussed before in the FAQ submission

That posting is pn6's personal justification for his behavior. It doesn't mean everyone else agrees.

And outsider asked a question, I'm responding here. Labeling something a "FAQ submission" doesn't make it as a Reddit article any more important than any other.

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[–]Legolas-the-elf -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll give this one more shot.

There is a widespread belief that, apart from a few freaks of nature, women aren't capable of committing horrific crimes.

This has negative consequences for men, for example, the belief that women are automatically good mothers means that they are unfairly favoured in custody battles.

Some people here want to dispel that myth by pointing out examples of women committing horrific crimes.

By getting rid of this myth, it goes some way to eliminating the unfair advantage women have over men, for example in custody battles.

Now, turn it around. A feminist posts lots of articles about men behaving badly to the feminisms subreddit.

This does what, exactly? It's no great surprise that men behave badly. That's already the male stereotype. It does nothing.

That is why they are not the same thing, and that is why it is not a double standard to treat the two things differently. The feminisms counterpart isn't dispelling any myth, it isn't helping anything, it's just an attack. The same is not true for the men's rightists example.

Now, if you disagree with that, instead of simply saying "You're wrong! It's a double standard!", how about you actually explain why you think I'm wrong?

to say that men can and women can't is disingenuous

You've mixed up men's rightists and feminists with men and women. Furthermore, you are using the word "can't" in a different sense to me. I never said anything about what men and women can and can't do.

[–]outsider[S] 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dispelling a myth does not also need to appear to be a vilifying of women. Using it as an excuse is all fine and dandy and as I've said I can see the point of it, though I think it is done excessively.

What use would a feminist group have for posting "men suck" articles? To show they are still subjugated, dismissed or treated unfairly/improperly. Their reasoning would be just as justified as the applied reasoning here.

Vilifying men or vilifying women despite insistence that there is a reason doesn't lessen anything, it just reinforces that feminists hate men or that masculinits hate women. I did explain previously how it is double standard because you justify it morally in one case yet the exact same thing is written off as unimportant when it is from another group.

You either need to accept that a feminist group posting man bashing articles does as much good for feminisnm as the analogue in a men's rights group.

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Just because I didn't directly answer the question you posed doesn't mean it's a red herring. I asked another question that has more to do with the motivations of your original question, or at least is still clearly a related issue.

Topic A and Topic B are not mutually exclusive; in fact, they're perfectly analogous to each other. A red herring would have been something like, "Let's discuss why outsider is a stupid feminist and thus his opinion doesn't matter" (which is NOT what I said).

You're right, the feminisms subreddit has nothing to do with this subreddit. But by saying that, you've subtly reframed the dialogue and changed the scope of what we were discussing.

I know what you're saying. You want me to answer your question directly without mention of anything else. I hate to bring such an overused cliché into the discussion, but I want to get you to think outside of the box a little here.

The reason I brought up the feminisms subreddit is because, based on my own experience, I found it to be a place that simultaneously promotes women's rights and bashes men, and I was put off by the latter so chose to simply not participate. I assumed you would pick up on the obvious parallel here, as I see this as a place that simultaneously promotes men's rights and bashes women, yet I stomach this one a lot easier (admittedly because of my gender).

So basically my underlying suggestion is that if you get easily offended by the comments here, you're free to leave, just as I was free to leave the feminisms subreddit.

[–]outsider[S] -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Topic A and Topic B are not mutually exclusive; in fact, they're perfectly analogous to each other. A red herring would have been something like, "Let's discuss why outsider is a stupid feminist and thus his opinion doesn't matter" (which is NOT what I said).

That would be a strawman argument, ad hominem, poisoning well or a number of others it could easily fit into.

I don't care that you won't answer the question, in fact I take it as a source of your uncertainty or inability to do so without saying "look over there something unrelated that I can pretend has to do wih the argument!"

My arguement is that the women bashing is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE to men's rights issues.

I see this as a place that simultaneously promotes men's rights and bashes women, yet I stomach this one a lot easier

So what you are saying is you agree with me. Would have been a whole lot faster for you to just have admitted that instead of denying it or trying to cast aspersions elsewhere.

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That would be a strawman argument, ad hominem, poisoning well or a number of others it could easily fit into.

Now you're just ranting off a list of all the logical fallacies you can find to try and look important. So we're ending this argument; you're just not getting it.

I don't care that you won't answer the question, in fact I take it as a source of your uncertainty or inability to do so without saying "look over there something unrelated that I can pretend has to do wih the argument!"

No one is under any obligation to answer all the questions you ask. It's not about "inability," it's about wanting to move the discussion forward in a different direction.

My arguement is that the women bashing is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE to men's rights issues. [...] Would have been a whole lot faster for you to just have admitted that instead of denying it or trying to cast aspersions elsewhere.

It's more than just that, though. Sure, it can be counterproductive. But it has positive effects, too. Plus I really don't think there's any real plausible chance of censoring it anyway, and honestly I think it's better to just let what needs to be said get out there, and let users decide what they want to subscribe to.

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No I'm lifting in what should be an easy to convey way why your argument blows and why no one else should even bother with any similar arguments with you. You are afraid of actually discussing the topic. You want to inject something unrelated into the argument.

Oh, the irony. You just moved away from all discussion points into a series of unwarranted personal attacks. This is quite immature. Keep things on the topic at hand, please.

Oh and all those questions I ask? That was something like 2-3 questions to which you ignored while posting some other amount of junk? Sound about right?

No, actually it sounds like you're an idiot who's not paying attention. You've been neglecting my original question from the start, so a discussion of neglecting each other's questions is pointless.

There isn't anything positive about callin women idiots unless you aren't secure about yourself in which case you've got other issues unrelated to men's rights.

You seem to like to put a lot of words in other people's mouths. I'm quite secure with myself, and I love women. I don't think I've posted a single anti-woman message here thusfar. But if someone else were to, I wouldn't judge them for it. You can argue that it's counterproductive, but I argue that sometimes it's necessary. If a woman was raped, and then came to a discussion where she was not allowed to even hint at negativity toward men, how do you think that would make her feel? It's stupid to say she should censor herself because of being counterproductive to women's rights. It's just stupid. Similarly, if a man were raped by a woman, would you want him to speak with nice flowery language about women all the time, or just speak his mind, for better or for worse? Because there are some men who subscribe to this subreddit who have been raped by women, in case you weren't already aware.

EDIT: Ironic that you made some of the same arguments I did in a different thread.

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You are always going to have bad apples. You will never hear me stoking those same fires. I was one of the biggest opponents of the Hillary bashing that happened on reddit during the primaries.

But what a lot of the fighting going on in the subreddit is from women and men trolling the group trying to cause trouble and start fights. It's so transparent and your submission fits these agent provocateurs to a 'T'. I'm not saying you are trolling but it did fit the pattern which raised a flag for me.

Not to mention the anger you are addressing. I am a firm believer in us exploring our anger and starting to undo the damage that this anger wreaks when not examined. I rarely find a case where my own anger is literally about the thing that receives the brunt of the passion. Just as I believe that a lot of the folks being mysoginistic or misandric (sp) are NOT really upset at the opposite sex as much as they are full of self-hate.

I believe that we need to explore our anger and start expressing it constructively, especially men. And I believe in a lot of latitude when it comes to expressing this anger on a case by case basis where people can be asked to tone down their behavior rather than turning the whole subreddit into some place that men can't feel open to vent and express themselves freely.

I don't think we are that far apart. I don't want nasty people hurting other people. But I do want to err on the side of free expression. To do otherwise is part of the continuing problem in male emotional expression.

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Beginning a few weeks ago, there has been a steady stream of submissions and comments here about how this subreddit is all about attacking women. When challenged, they disappear, or don't respond, or delete their comments/submissions. But the same lie has started popping up in other subreddits, such as the egalitarian and feminisms subreddits, and a few days later, a new nickname posts the same thing to the mens rights subreddit again.

For example, this submission is just a carbon copy of this submission, which was deleted when it became apparent it was a total misrepresentation of this subreddit. That, in turn, was a rehash of this submission, which itself was nothing new.

Now if these submissions were based in fact, then a constant stream of complaints would be a good indication that there was something wrong with this subreddit. But each time this complaint gets posted, the same thing is asserted - that this subreddit is all about hating women, that the majority of content attacks women, etc. A total misrepresentation that can be trivially debunked merely by looking at the subreddit. So you can see a sustained barrage of dishonesty towards this subreddit.

It's too soon to suspect an organised attempt to derail the subreddit, but if it keeps up, the idea will seem less and less paranoid.

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Wasn't hard at all to find. About half way down your comment page. Guess I struck a chord there, huh?

Your quote fits perfectly with this entire argument. In one place you argue free speech, in another you argue against this same free expression.

Are you saying that men's rights is really about misogyny or that misogyny is a part of it anyways.

Sorry, that makes very little sense. What exactly are you asking me there?

You've got a lot to learn about consistency other than consistently accusing me of hyperbole and trolling.

WAT? Are you high? I think you may be confusing you and I's conversation for one of the other you are having in this submission.

This started when I said you were a sockpuppet and then you said:

How does calling women idiots help men? How does expecting something more insightful than "women suck" not help men?

Which made no sense because I never said women suck or called them idiots.

You need to get your sockpuppets on the same page. Trolling can do that to a person.

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when this subreddit stops being a haven for women hating comments than YOU will have a leg to stand on argument-wise.

You have claimed that this subreddit seems to exist mostly to insult women:

My ax to grind is with a mensrights groups that seems to exist mostly to insult women.

My argument is that this is not true, that it exists to post articles about men's rights. My evidence is the submissions. You seem to have accepted that the submissions are not generally misogynistic in nature.

I don't have a leg to stand on? The burden of proof is on you to justify your claims about the purpose of this subreddit.

You may not be in the "we hate women" group but if you deny that element of this subreddit you really aren't paying attention.

I'm not denying that element, I'm saying a) that it's not the reason this subreddit exists, and b) that it isn't a majority. If you disagree, please substantiate your claims.