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UK: Female nursery worker, 28, who was told off for showing too much cleavage loses sex discrimination case because a male colleague with too many undone buttons would also have been disciplined

furchfur

September 14, 2021
487 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9991049/Nursery-worker-told-showing-cleavage-loses-bid-compensation-payout.html
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Title UK: Female nursery worker, 28, who was told off for showing too much cleavage loses sex discrimination case because a male colleague with too many undone buttons would also have been disciplined
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furchfur

Upvotes 487
Comments 26
Date September 14, 2021 9:49 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/pochhg/uk_female_nursery_worker_28_who_was_told_off_for/
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Comments

[–]DavidByron2 208 points209 points210 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

So she went with the old feminist "boobs aren't sexual" defense?

It's like Schroedinger's boobs. Are they sexual or are they not? The boobs are in a superimposed state where they are both sexual and not sexual and you can't ever tell ahead of time what's really happening until some feminist wants to make a bullshit argument and then the boob equation collapses and they become one thing or the other.

Campaigning to allow women to go topless in NY? boobs non-sexual.

Man stares at you? boobs sexual.

Getting fired for flashing your cleavage? boobs non-sexual.

Someone touches you? boobs sexual.

[–]Glum-Pen-728 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's like Schroedinger's boobs. Are they sexual or are they not? The boobs are in a superimposed state where they are both sexual and not sexual and you can't ever tell ahead of time what's really happening until some feminist wants to make a bullshit argument and then the boob equation collapses and they become one thing or the other.

Same with waist, thigh, etc.

You cna show them off and its not sexual.

You can dress "sexy", meaning for them to be publicly visible, like breasts, but that doesnt mean they're sexual.

But if you touch them, it becomes sexual assault.

This is the same logic as "i dress this way for me! to make me feel good! not because it makes me more attractive to men! whats wrong with you??"

If you dress "sexy", by any dictionary definition, it implies sexuality/sex, and thus is meant to be sexually attractive.

The entire charade is gaslighting.

Gaslighting is a core tenet of abusers, which explains the symmetry with third wave feminism.

[–]Gaiinahat 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Schroedinger has boobs? 😮

[–]TheChocolateBarsGuy 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You are using logic here. Calm down before reddit gives you a lifetime ban !

[–]DavidByron2 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

again

[–]Clemicus 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's an additional factor: How good looking is the person looking at those boobs

If they're good looking they can get a pass. Remember, when the cleavage is on show they're not for everyone. One of those factors could be comfort level and/or self-consciousness (like if you that woman uncomfortable she'll become more self-conscious and ever so slightly cover up and vice versa)

But you don't know that until you interact.

[–]LoveHotelCondom 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeeep, perfect explanation. Hypothetically, if a woman were touched on her shoulder against her will, she could call it simple battery. If her breast was groped, what woman in response would not call that sexual assault?

Another one is when pregnant women are murdered, it's double homicide. When pregnant women have an abortion, a fetus is not a life.

[–]Nerfixion 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I saw a funny argument in an anime once. The argument is that boobs became the replacement for butts in terms of being sexual when humans started walking on 2 legs.

[–]DavidByron2 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's pretty standard biology I thought. Because human females are always "in heat" compared to other primates. The idea that they aren't intended as sexual is pretty ridiculous but that's feminism for you.

[–]Living-Reference5329 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There sexual when it benefits then

[–]Wooper160 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re saying I can’t have my shirt open halfway down my chest?

[–]wilderness444 47 points48 points49 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The hypocrisy I hear and see from women on this topic is irritating. Example: As a Project Manager I conducted a weekly meeting. Every single week for 6 months this one woman at the other end of the conference room would lift her very large breasts and place them on the conference room table. I’m sure she did it to be more comfortable but really how are the CIS males supposed to react? Help me out here guys. Well apparently it’s none of our business. We should be reported to HR if we even once lower our gaze. Two million years of brain stem evolution just needs to be ignored. Here’s my request to the ladies. Can you please take these women aside and tell them what their mother’s obviously did not? I’m retired. Thank you Lord. I’m done with it. Praise the Lord the wretched beast is dead as Leonard Cohen put it so well at the end of his life. End of rant. Good luck youngsters.

[–]ThrowAwayMyLife444 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Woman here. Some tables are just the wrong height and hit me right in the nipples when I'm sitting. It's incredibly uncomfortable/borderline painful, so I usually try to lift my boobs up, which ends up with them kinda on the table. There's no good option, to be honest. That being said, I know how it looks and probably wouldn't be offended if someone stared for a second. I don't think I would be able to avoid looking at boobs on a table either. But just wanted to let you know that she may not be doing it for no good reason.

Although I would probably just try to keep my body away from the table in a business meeting so I don't have to choose between nipple pain and table boobs. But it depends on the length of the meeting and if I'm leaning over to try to write or not.

[–]maxcorrice 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Plus if I readjusted something and it made a noise like placing boobs on a table people might look at me too, that’s just human instinct to keep aware, regardless of sexuality

[–]wilderness444 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I get it. I honestly do and I apologize if I was insensitive. I’m speaking to the over reaction when someone is in your face about it. It speaks to the complexity of men and women working closely together. Maybe this happens because the original designers of office furniture were men. I’m just asking women to not throw men under the bus when they are honestly fighting evolutionary instincts developed over millions of years. Maybe I’m asking for acknowledgment from women that it is very hard to concentrate when it’s in your face. That’s why I’m appealing to women to act as mentors and friends to each other to have these difficult conversations where in my case it just felt like she was pushing the boundaries. CIS men take significant professional risk to have this conversation. I’ve managed thousands of men and women because I’ve led large projects. I am male. The example I give is not common at all. The vast majority of men and women are professional. I will say this also and I might get in trouble but I miss the days when I could hug both men and women at the end of 18 month successful projects. Towards the end of my career I was careful not to do that. A project team is a family and you really do come to love your family.

[+]Glum-Pen-728 -14 points-13 points-12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mind if I flop my fake-dick in my pants on the table? You know, the one that's like the male version of a pushup bra.

[–]Glum-Pen-728 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Im so happy to hear this.

[–]Largedragon666 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If the boobs are unmasked in society there will be more and more people looking at them and more of these toxic feminists that will say men are pigs because the effect will also lead to more anxiery for men because they have no choice but to look at them and then maybe get jailed for harassment, Im not society is ready for it unless we stop being scared of a walking around naked.

[–]Glum-Pen-728 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Its about power and control. Its near to BDSM thinking.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/189501449/sensory-deprivation-mask-with-zippers

They should be allowed to be nakeda round you and you must not see them.

Once you get it, you can never see it again as basically a form of power and control, dominance, if you will.

Imagine if all men got to run around with the tip of their dick peeking out, and if women complained, the women were the ones with the problem, trying to oppress men, they're perverts for looking after all!

A truly grown up society would be either one that nominally restricts sexual-physical signalling in public through law and culture, or one that says "human sexuality is normal, and if people check you out, that's not their fault, because they're normal. Cover up if you don't like people looking".

[–]Largedragon666 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Boobs sure are powerful!

[–]Glum-Pen-728 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

hence why we created trules to hide them for poliet society

[–]YesYesYesVeryGood 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Too bad they didn't show photos. I mean, pictures do illustrate the point.

[–]je97 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Seems like we just need to get rid of society's prudish attitude to peoples bodies, of both genders. Obviously it all stems from society's prudish view on sex.

[–]Glum-Pen-728 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Society doesnt have a prudish view on sex, for women, or for wealthy and/or attractive men. If she desires him to look, his looking is no crime or transgression. If she does not desire him to look, although she made no effort to conceal herself, his looking is a transgression.

The demand for visual privacy from individuals in public based on whether or not you're attracted to them, and complaining of discomfort or "creeps", is about control.

[+]bak2redit -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, in this case, she was a nursery worker, perhaps she was just wanting to make it easier to breast feed the children in her care.

[–]Imperium_Britannia 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nurse is over glorified. Now sue her for public indecency.

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