FDSers are simply not following their own logic to its rational conclusion. If you have concluded that the vast majority of men are worthless LVM, and that the chance of finding an ideal HVM is almost next to zero( even HVM have problems in their philosophy and are far from the ideal man), wouldn't it be that the most rational decision to be made here as a female is to simply leave the game entirely and focus on more important issues in life? There were some enlightened MGTOWs that I found on forums that realised the pointless nature of dating women in general and began to focus on more vital questions like spirituality or science and the quest to understand the workings of the universe. StarDusk for example, gathered an impressive amount of knowledge regarding evolutionary psychology. What I see when I go to FDS subs? Countless examples of " male depravity", movies and tv show reconstructions that reflect FDS philosophy, bashing and shaming of men galore etc. And I only scratched the surface, since I've been on Reddit for only two months. Their entire philosophy is hurtful to men at first glance, granted, but it also generates much suffering in their emotional sphere as well. Don't they see that this unhealthy obsession with males is actually poisoning their lives? Will not detachment lead to a more productive way of looking at things? I guess it comes down to the powerful social instinct of women that precludes them from actually achieving peace of mind.