The case of Kibbutz. This shows that we are right about the gender issues and reason of gender roles.

Crosspost "The case of Kibbutz. This shows that we are right about the gender issues and reason of gender roles." from /r/Pro_Male_Collective:

I'm aware that Wikipedia is feminist-biased and that it's not good source to show any issue deeply but for short review I can in the beginning return you to the article in this site about gender equality implementation attempts in Jewish Kibbutz.

I noticed some things that are worthy to highlight. Some women from them said that even there there wasn't the equality of sexes. Even if firstly women had do the same tasks that men do, they preferred this kind of them that is traditionally associated with women gender role. So even without cultural influence (they attempted to cut of themselves from it), women want more to do things like cooking, sewing, and cleaning than performing guard duty and heavy labor. Emancipated women, without pressure to do traditional maternal and domestic duties, later demanded themselves to do it, instead of leaving these things to communes (that were there responsible for providing meal and raising children before). So it's clear that narration about "patriarchal oppression" is completely false. Women also embraced traditional marriage and whole society had conservative, puritanical attitude to sexuality (in the times when in the west there were the opposite trends; visitors from outside of this communities noticed it).

So the most important points are:

1. Women from Kibbutz rejected egalitarianism and burdens that traditional masculine gender role is associated with. They preferred domestic duties such as cooking, cleaning and taking care of children than participation in the industrial, agricultural and economic sectors alongside men (especially when we talk about working in farming or in the factory).
2. This shows us that feminist narration about women's dependency is totally false, it's just gaslighting of men. There is no "patriarchy" construct that enforce women to do some things. These women just realized that male's burdens are heavier and their gender role is more comfortable for them.
3. Finally, nearly 80% of women worked in the service sector. It's additional evidence for my stance from previous point. Women are interested in being tradcon housewives or in convenient and prestigious job in the service sector. "Split" between feminists and tradcon women runs mainly through this thing.
4. Even if masculinization of women was possible, there never were parallel process of feminization of men. This shows that women, not men, have a power and influence to enforce gender roles. The gender roles are only obligatory for men who were still under pressure to fulfill them and they weren't allowed to female spheres, female' gender role.
5. Such egalitarian societies shows more clearly how informal forms of power and influence matters. Without strong significance of formal ruling positions or money, influence of things like gossip network was hard to hide and strong.

Maybe I've forgot to mention about something important, also I'm not especially acquainted with this topic. If you know something interesting or important, it would be helpful if you put this information and reflections in the comment. Then, I could add this to my comment.