Do you remember when everyone criticized Iraqi men for not fighting ISIS? Maybe this helps explain why they refused to fight for America.

Arguesovereverythin · 2022-07-23T11:50:06+00:00

Just as horrific as the torture suffered by these men, there was a lack of consequences following the incident.

No one was convicted for the murders of the detainees. Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, the commanding officer of the prison, was simply demoted. She faced no further consequences.

Specialist Charles Graner was found guilty on January 14, 2005, of conspiracy to maltreat detainees, failing to protect detainees from abuse, cruelty, and maltreatment, as well as charges of assault, indecency, adultery, and obstruction of justice. On January 15, 2005, he was sentenced to 10 years in prison, dishonorable discharge, and reduction in rank to private. Graner was paroled from the U.S. military's Fort Leavenworth prison on August 6, 2011, after serving six-and-a-half years.

Staff Sergeant Ivan Frederick pleaded guilty on October 20, 2004, to conspiracy, dereliction of duty, maltreatment of detainees, assault and committing an indecent act, in exchange for other charges being dropped. His abuses included forcing three prisoners to masturbate. He also punched one prisoner so hard in the chest that he needed resuscitation. He was sentenced to eight years in prison, forfeiture of pay, a dishonorable discharge and a reduction in rank to private. He was released on parole in October 2007, after four years in prison.

Specialist Sabrina Harman (seen posing next to the dead man in the photos) was sentenced on May 17, 2005, to six months in prison and a bad conduct discharge after being convicted on six of the seven counts.

Specialist Megan Ambuhl was convicted on October 30, 2004, of dereliction of duty, and sentenced to reduction in rank to private, and loss of a half-month's pay.

Private First Class Lynndie England was convicted on September 26, 2005, of one count of conspiracy, four counts of maltreating detainees and one count of committing an indecent act. She was acquitted on a second conspiracy count. England had faced a maximum sentence of ten years. She was sentenced on September 27, 2005, to three years' confinement, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, reduction to Private (E-1) and received a dishonorable discharge. England served her sentence at Naval Consolidated Brig, Miramar. She was paroled on March 1, 2007, after having served one year and five months.

There's a lot more to be said here, but the major points are that:

Both men and women are responsible for violence here. The claim that "if women were in charge, there would be no war, no atrocities, no violence" is ridiculous.
The women here received much less severe punishment than the men.
Punishments for everyone involved were laughably lenient. I doubt they would have been punished so lightly if they had raped women.

Title	Do you remember when everyone criticized Iraqi men for not fighting ISIS? Maybe this helps explain why they refused to fight for America.
Author	Arguesovereverythin
Upvotes	2
Comments	1
Date	July 23, 2022 11:32 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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