To the women that aren’t like that

matrixislife · 2022-11-26T23:21:44+00:00

Dan Moore writes to the women supporting Men's Rights. Hopefully we can all get behind this.

NeoLosman · 2022-11-27T11:53:46+00:00

Quote the article: "This cycle has endlessly repeated for decades, seemingly every week on r/mensrights "Going very far back, in the Dark Age of the MRM there was an influx of women asking what women are supposed to do. Essentially, these women asked for a belief system, a label they could attach themselves to, that would embody their belief in equality without demonizing men.Some of these women stuck around and proudly call themselves MRAs. More of them stuck around but balked at calling themselves MRAs. And a lot of newcomer women tend to see a lot of unmasked anger, and get scared off. Which of course leads to calls for moderation, which isn’t going to happen…"

The writer is either being disingenuous or unaware of fairly recent history. In the hardly ancient past, women who were eager to not simply declare "I'm an anti-feminist!!!"(which is pretty much the extent of most female MRAs's activism), but to actually agitate politically for causes like making shared parenting legislation the law of the land were showing up at rallies in droves https://reason.com/1994/07/01/man-troubles/ The philosophical difference between this earlier movement, as exemplified by barbarically under-remembered advocates like Asa Baber ( "Basic fairness is not the only reason for women to work on behalf of men's issues. Perhaps the ultimate lesson we have still to learn is that most gender issues are women's and men's issues. As Brott says, "You can't achieve the goals of sexual equality without getting men involved." The most obvious example of this is the issue of parenthood: Greater male involvement in child rearing is essential if women's opportunities in the workplace are to be expanded.Men and women of good will working together is a theme Playboy's Asa Baber frequently emphasizes. "What is needed is an equal rights movement, not a men's movement and a women's movement," he told the Chicago Men's Conference, which had a record number of women this year (about 30 out of 200 attendees). "Not men's rights, not women's rights—equal rights. That should be our goal." Baber is encouraged by signs that "victim feminism" is waning, and he is confident that "victim masculism" will not prevail either: "As the complaints build, we're going to get tired of it, both sides, and then both men and women are going to ask, OK, now what are we gonna do? And so the culture of complaint will eventually burn itself out.")and the terrific James Cook ( https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101833696 )made this sort of coalition building possible

By contrast, The MRM as it's existed from the mid-10s through today has prioritized catharsis/endlessly caterwauling over all the shit that isn't going our way over asking "What are our goals, and what actions are we taking to achieve those goals?" This didn't just drive away women who'd otherwise be inclined to help, but most men who are more interested in taking action than they are remaining locked in a never-ending groan fest. We could greatly benefit from a return to the sort of activism that earlier, successful advocates like Baber, Arst, Kammer, and Cook practiced

It's not necessary for women to-as some prominent MRAs propose-first "recognize all the ways they benefit from gynocentrism", or to regularly proclaim "I'm an anti-feminist!!!" in public, BEFORE they can be of service. Subjects like making shared parenting legislation the law of the land, ending a Drug War which disproportionately locks up men, abolishing most forms of welfare in favor of putting recipients into legit work, and providing greater access to vocational training than currently exists aren't gendered problems, in the grand scheme of things. They're American problems, the likes of which invite the attention and energies of all who want to provide their/our descendants with a saner world than the one we inherited

Title	To the women that aren’t like that
Author	matrixislife
Upvotes	6
Comments	2
Date	November 26, 2022 11:20 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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